azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

First of all, when you swear, it's a sign that you do not have the vocabulary skills to express your feelings differently.You are completely correct. My feelings toward politicians cannot be explained without explicit language.Secondly, youth are IMMERSED in information every day through social media. Yes, adults are involved in social media however, youth are native to websites like Facebook and Twitter so they are prone to discovering information through that media.Again, this is a VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, crude and inaccurate measure of intelligence. I don't have a Facebook. Why should I (not me but in general) be banned from doing something for reasons not applicable to me? And why should someone else who does use Facebook (an adult) be allowed to do it?Third, discriminating against someone because of their age is like discriminating someone because of their race or sexual orientation.Exactly.ForthFourth. politicians should care about youth! Youth are the future of this country, don't you care about the future? And if you don't, you're the one who is being ignorant!You clearly misread my comment. I never said they should't, in fact, I expressed my anger that don't (I even used descriptive language--you took objection to it).
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

No, when I swear, I feel like its the best way to express myself at that moment. I don't give a shit about "looking smart". It doesn't mean I don't have the vocabulary skills to express my feelings otherwise.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

How young? I agree they should be allowed to vote at a younger age. In fact voting should be done online so that more people would participate in elections. Below a certain age, kids just aren't interested and they are very impressionable. A cleverly crafted internet campaign could persuade young voters to vote for someone that they otherwise wouldn't if they knew all the facts. Generally though, they should be able to vote at a younger age. In Canada, the voting age is 18. I think 16 or 17 would be reasonable.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

There is clearly a large amount of individuals--of all ages--who do not comprehend the rights they have as a citzen, how their government functions, how legislation is drafted and dealt with, how the voting system works, ect. Of___all___ages. Just to make it clear there.And for that reason alone, I do not understand why youth would be immediately left out. ESPECIALLY the youth which are coming into young adult life in their near future, who can start working, paying taxes, and learn about our governmental system. I do find the thought of a small child voting on a tax measure or our next president to be very silly. However, I believe if we can conjure up a comprehension test to analyze an individual's ability to comprehend such subjects and their outcomes; I do not see issue.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I would like to add to my previous post:A lot of the opposition tends to lean towards an argument about how the younger generations do not seem to care too much about politics anyway.If that's true, then what will it hurt to lower the voting age? Do you really think if they're given the opportunity to vote before 18, that they'll all the sudden start caring about politics?And is that such a bad thing if you really believe that would happen?As for other claims, like poor sources for information: so what? So do a various amount of people who are allowed to vote because they are 18+.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Well, if they're responsible enough. sure. Don't see why not really.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

yes becouse the youth is the new adults so if they can vote for who they want to be president/prime-minister and it will also effect the youth
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I agree with your claim that the youth are r new adults but et are not adults yet. Voting at 16 years old will not affect them directly for the next four years when the turn 20 and it's time to vote again. Voting is a privilege that must be respected and understood. Most teenagers do not understand what they are voting for. When voting starts to directly affect an individual is in their early adulthood around the age after college when entering the workforce becomes a large part of life.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

The youth are smarter than for which you may give them credit; and in fact, it isn't impossible for one to have an influence before they can register to vote. You are never too young to stand for what you believe in and again never too young to call your representatives. Political awareness ought to be advocated. So many agendas try and shape opinions for them, and I'd like to see a society in which personal research and informational recources are advocated as a good countering force towards these influences.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Some children display intellegence while some do not. Adults display intellegence while little do not excluding the crazy adults. Ever watched on Youtube "The Girl Who Silenced The World For Five Minutes?" Great video and you should check it out. This little girls display intellegence and care for the world that she is mentally capable of making a just decision. Am i wrong to say that mostly children are not intellegent? Am i wrong to say that not all adults are intellegent? We need intellegent people to vote. If statitics state that mostly children cannot vote, i understand, but don't leave out the ones who mentally can. I think we need to change our voting system a little. I think those who want to vote should provide a reason. They should either "talk" it out if they can't write it out. There are adults who voted for Obama because he is black if what i read on the internet is true. That is why i think people should provide a written reason to vote for their president.This is my opinon.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Yes and no.I agree that if you are old enough to be tried as an adult you have the right to vote. If you are also old enough to fight and die for our country you have the right to vote. But some kids are just immature and have no idea what the political process is…let alone know about the issues. Possibly all those under a certain age would have to take a class…to get approved. But then many adults don't know squat about it either. Last election people voted on color alone…did not even know what Obamas stances were.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I believe that the simple requirement to vote is age based has become impractical. There are people over the age of 18 who never finished high school beyond halfway through their 10th grade year. Now I'm not saying that means you are an idiot for dropping out (there are plenty of reasons for this). However, if a young adult is allowed to drop out of high school at the age of 16, than young adults should be allowed to vote at the age of 16. Why should a citizen who has a greater education than an older person allowed to vote, be denied the right to vote. They might be younger, however they are most likely as smart and as well informed as the 18 or 19 year old who dropped out at the age of 16.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

16 is the age when most people start thinking of bigger issues, a good age to vote. I think the voting age should start at 16. In Australia, it is compulsory to vote from the age of 18. I think though that it should be voluntary for 16-17 year olds.I don't think the conservatives would be too happy with more younger voters he he.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Yes, definitely they should! Example, in an election, the youths in the country are also going to be ruled by the minister who wins the election. Get what I mean? If the minister is bad, they are going to feel the pinch too. If the minister is good, they are going to reap the benefits too. So basically, they are part of the country and they have the rights to vote as well.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I know enough about politics to vote, and I am a child. The fact that I am not as old as some of those who can vote is irrelevant. i think that your ability to vote should not be based on your age, for I asked an adult who the Prime Minister was the other day, and there was a peculiar reply. I think to have the ability to vote everyone should take a test to make sure they know the basics of politics. Children are being penalised because they are looked down upon and are commonly seen as being less intelligent than others. According to a test I took the other day I am far above the average adult intelligence. According to Radio Four, the average adult has a similar capacity in Maths to a child of 11. We should not be penalised for our age. We have a right to vote and a right to be heard.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

It's a free country for crying out loud. Youth have personal rights and as legal citizens they should be able to vote.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

If someone understands enough about politics they should be allowed to vote at any age. Some young people understand more than older people about politics. I think people should take a test, and if they pass then they can vote.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

If you can form your own views on politics then you should be allowed to vote.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

It is unfair that somebody can't vote because of who they are. why do adults think that all kids are trouble makers and vandals?
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

they should youth with the right vote 10 to 21 because it unfair
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I think the youth should be able to vote. But there is a catch. We need a system that separates the joking youth with the serious youth. Like some sort of test or paper.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I think youth should be given the right to vote (by this I mean like 15+) because it would help them develop an understanding for society, how it works and which party supports which view. This would be a valuable lesson and (as lots of others already said) youth aren’t as clueless as they look.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

As a 17 year old with a decent understanding of politics, who knows his stance on most issues pretty well, no.Most people under the age of 18 would simply be too open to mass media. Already, especially in the US, advertising, and super PACs, have come under a lot of fire. Putting millions more voters, who often don't know much about the issues or the players in them, who's main source of information is mass media, would simply further this reliance.It's a shame, there are definitely thousands of us who know enough to vote. But the overall reliability of the vote system would be greatly diminished by decreasing the age limits.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I think you're right but I think some chances need to put right?
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

But don't you think that the internet is the great equalizer? So what if a super PAC lobbies for one person or another, in the end it doesn't matter. Young people tend to be rebellious and that's what we need to shake up the status-quo.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Are you saying that super PACs have no effect?And that doesn't mean that the status quo needs to be shaken up. Yes, I believe change does need to happen, but I don't think that millions of votes to those that often don't know what they're talking about is the way to get there. I do think that those with serious ideas worth considering need a platform to be heard, we do need to be involved in politics, but, I think, at our age, it should be something we earn and are not given.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Most youth that I know get their news from the internet, and fact checking is only a few clicks away. This trend away from corporate media should continue, with the youth demographic using alternative media then most. If you combine this with increasing standards on education, to the point where current college level political science courses are being taught to 16 year olds; they should then be more than well informed on the issues.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

How can you fact check 'who should I vote for'? There are many who follow politics, and many many more who simply read one news article on a candidate and have their mind set.Yes, I have no denied the fact that there are some who do know exactly what they're talking about with political science. But that's a minority.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

You fact check what is in your best interest, and vote for those that are more likely to vote according to that interest. For example, you look up how progressive taxation affects society and decides if that is what you believe society should have and vote for the candidate that agrees with your position. Its nothing difficult.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

So could Congress when voting on SOPA, but they still have absolutely no idea what it would have done to the internet, only that people didn't like it.There's a big difference between what people could, and should do, and what they would do. And I do not trust 16 year olds who don't even do homework to research the finer points of fiscal policy.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Congress understood what it would do to the internet, they just didn't care. The great majority of politics are pretty simple, rarely do the finer points have much significance. I find it interesting that you attribute homework and political awareness as being similar. I also find it interesting that the same rational you are using to justify the disenfranchisement of a demographic from the political process is one that applies to just about every demographic. You also underestimate the power of social media, which is more than capable of spreading the details when they do have significance. Congress and its actions are only an app away, and that information can be integrated into various forms of media that can easily inform people of things they are interested in. Political groups wanting more supports can use targeted adds, designed to grab people's attention while their opponent's can do the same but to counter their attempts at recruitment, meanwhile more objective sources of information are only a few micro seconds away. Even youth that are not politically active will unintentionally be intrigued by a friends post on some bill and perhaps spurned to action.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Most of congress had no idea. Obviously, the video is overedited, but I've seen longer clips on Jon Stewart or something, it's not too far off the truth.The great majority of economics is simple, but that doesn't mean to say that politicians won't put in place laws that do the opposite of what they say, and even think, they will.Yeah, in my own life, and the people I see around me, it's a strong correlation.Yes, but adults, in my experiences, are more rational, most of the time.Of course, as I've said before, there are many who will be interested, and will make good decisions. I just feel that that group will be a minority.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

There are many adults who are not rational, critical thinkers. But many more youth that are not rational, critical thinkers. There are many adults that are persuaded by rhetorical mainstream media. But many more youth that are persuaded by rhetorical mainstream media. It’s a problem with the current society model; the government doesn’t want a nation of people capable of critical thought (how threatening THAT would be). Too much individualism and rational thinking leads to too many questions of why. Why are we going to war? Why do corporations count as people? Why should I believe in your god? But as a person gets out of public education and sees the world in a different light (often times strengthened with certain college level studies) a person is more likely to break free from the dull malleable state that the department of education puts us in. I am disillusioned enough to see that the majority of people are uninformed dimwits, and there appears to be even more uninformed dimwits the younger you look. I don't think the "youth" being given the right to vote (as broad as that statement is) would help in changing things, as compliant and naive as the youth are compared to the older crowd, it would probably create more problems.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Would you support a test on the basic ability to rationally think for those in between 16-18 to be able to vote? The test could be designed by logic professors and psychologists. The youth seems to me to be more rebellious than compliant. At least the ones that are about to graduate that is, so 16 or 17 year olds. They begin to look at their future around that time, and many realize they are inheriting a world that they wish was dramatically different. They can typically see that both the main parties don't have viable solutions, and most recognize that neither party truly represents their interests, or at least don't represent enough of them. This results in apathy and disillusionment when it comes to our political process, and non-participation becomes a means of rebellion. Well lowering the voting age won't fix this, it will help lessen such disillusionment and establish a way for people to advocate for changes to a system they will soon inherit, before they become busy trying to work with in the system.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I see where you are coming from. However, what about youth with developmental disabilities such as down syndrome or autism who are not always capable of completing a formal test? Plus, is it fair that the youth citizens would have to complete a test for the right to vote and not the adults?- Because, there are many adults who would fail.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Its just a potential compromise, meant to eventually be overturned itself. Its kinda like the don't ask don't tell policy, it would create the environment for teens and others to eventually expand the voting age fully without such tests, due for some of the reasons that you mentioned. Ideally it would also have a clause about high performance and turn out on the test allowing for the abolishment of the procedure and full voting rights for all at the younger age and be used as a gauge of how well our school system is doing.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

How does this problem escape adults but not youths. You can never get around this problem unless you want to go back to poll tests/literacy tests.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I never claimed that it was exclusive to youth, simply that it was more present in them.Poll tests go against the idea of democracy more than age restrictions do though.I support a resemblance of democracy, not pure democracy. I mean, would you like children to post on this website, people who have no basis in their arguments, no logic, simply their influenced opinions? It's not the same, but it's similar.It's a controversial topic, especially among Libertarians, which many people on this website are.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I see what the crowd of friends my nieces and nephews talk about of Facebook (juniors and seniors in high school) and it still follows mainstream media trends. The only difference compared to when I was in highschool is now they also talk about mainstream internet trends such as YouTube viral videos. Kids will be kids it seems, and politics is just not something that interests the majority of our youth. I totally agree that the trend away from corporate media should continue, but the more access a youth has to the internet doesn’t necessarily mean they will not be easily persuaded by the advertisement/entertainment industry and be able to make critical and informed decisions. There is indeed the heightened ability to cross check and fact check political and economic issues through the use of the internet, and I also agree that the younger generations are becoming more and more internet and technology savvy every year. But you’re getting into a ‘cum hoc, ergo propter hoc’ type of fallacy if you think that the youth’s ability to reason on political issues or even them just being informed will be any better just because they use the internet frequently. There would have to be some sort of interest in a high school course for it to be any success. Personally I think a critical thinking course should be a part of mandatory high school curricula along with math, science, and history. Political science seems too specific, but sounds like a great idea and might make for a good elective, one that a high school student could even choose to pay for so it could count towards a college credit (something they did at my school for AP classes). But for electives to remain on the school’s curriculum, they would have to get a certain number of students interested in taking it. I regret to admit that political science (as well as critical thinking unfortunately) is just not something the youth is interested in. :/