Debate: Creationism vs. Evolutionism
Side: evolutionism

Okay, I have a better idea where you're coming from. But that doesn't make your statement valid."Why would God make man and tell us that He made man upright then somehow the men evolve into apes then back to men? It makes no sense and, lets face it, that didn't happen."You are right, that didn't happen. I never claimed that it did, and no evolutionist that I have ever heard of has made such a claim."Why also would Moses say that God made "man" if it was an ape that God made?"I don't claim to know why any prophets of any religion said the things they did, and I certainly don't claim that any of them were right. Have any good evidence that might convince me to take Moses' word over any of the others?"Furthermore, Eve spoke to the serpent and spoke words to Adam that Moses tells us she said, wouldn't an ape be unable to speak our language?"Wouldn't a snake have an even harder time speaking our language? Human language (and ape language for that matter) is much more complex than "hiss hiss hiss, rattle, hiss.""Thus, you are wrong in saying that it is "perfectly in keeping with evolution"."The slow transformation from ape through the hominid sequence into modern man is in keeping with evolution. Whether you believe in evolution or not is one thing, but don't try to change its definition. "Finally, we are told that God made man in His image; I very much doubt - and I speak for the majority of the thousands of Christians that there are on this planet - God is a big hairy ape that walks on all fours."Actually there are over a billion Christians on this planet, don't sell your religion short. Allow me to speak for the 3 billion + people in the world who do not follow the Abrahamic God in one form or the other when I say: start using extra-biblical evidence. Support your claim outside of the realm of circular reasoning. If the Bible is perfect, then the world should be filled to the gills with evidence supporting it. Most, if not all, discoveries found throughout our world should lead clearly and unavoidably back to it. No other religion should be able to compete, and neither would scientific or historical information. Yet all of these sources contradict at least some Biblical accounts. So by all means, please present something that doesn't start with "In the Bible it says." "No offence, but its an invention, just like we are told."That may be what you are told, but not I. If it were an invention, here's a list of just a tiny fraction of the other things that would have to be invented to prop evolution up: allele variation, consistent molecular variance patterns, endogenous retroviruses, junk DNA, atavisms and vestigial structures, genetic drift, gene flow, mutations, the morphological and genetic similarities representing a pattern of development clearly visible throughout phylogeny, a rich and diverse fossil record that is also clearly visible in phylogeny, rigid and consistent rates of decay for over 40 isotopes, different kinds of organism in different strata that match up very nicely globally, identical fossils in regions that were later separated by continental drift and gave rise to totally different extant life forms, ring species, difference in population dynamics between islands and mainland, antibiotic resistance, and the observed speciation of organisms including but not limited to: Oenothera gigas, Stephanomeira malheurensis, sympatric speciation in Drosophila melanogaster, and the apple maggot fly. If evolution is an invention, so are at least the majority of these observed phenomena. Aside from the specifically named cases of speciation, each phenomena that I listed has at least a few dozen observed and recorded cases, some have thousands.A tip of the iceberg on evidence:http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/similarity_hs_01 http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/11/evolution/zimmer-text http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_2.htm http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html let me know if you want something specific regarding the above-mentioned lines of evidence that I didn't yet provide a source for. "And you my friend have fallen for the words of fools."I mean no offense to our ancient ancestors, but by modern day understandings, they were the fools. They didn't have much to work with but their imaginations and extremely limited observations. To continue to proliferate their unfounded speculations as fact in the modern era is equivalent to saying a first-grader is better at math than an adult who has a terminal degree in the field. And considering how many of our recent medical advancements and work within genetics is based on evolutionary principles and work as predicted, that would appear to be some rather fortuitous foolishness on the part of biologists. Not to mention chemists, geologists, physicists and every other field of science whose discoveries further validate the theory of evolution.Okay, your turn :)