Debate: Health Care Should Be Free ?
Side: No

Can you support this with some sources of what a machine like one to put stuff on a shelf would cost?It would obviously need to be custom designed, but we could work something out by assembling, say...A couple of these robotic arms for a few hundred each:http://www.lynxmotion.com/c-124-al5a.aspx Paired with, say, a conveyer belt or two for a couple grand:http://www.chdist.com/product/roll-a-way-motorized-belt-conveyor-6w-belt-375592.aspx?var=91817&cid=pla_goog&mr:trackingCode=2B8EDF28-BF8B-E211-B5F8-90E2BA285759&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=38589365467&mr;:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=68569209667&gclid=CPjkjpiAw74CFetlOgodTFIADA And an automated cart (prices aren't listed on the site, you need to call or email for details, they run from low end around 10k to around 40k from this dealer)http://www.agvsystems.com/agc-automatic-guided-carts/ And a lightweight computer server for a few grand to control it all, and a few odds and ends here to extend the capabilities, as well as management software- lets say another 4 grand for all that.We end up with a range of about 17k-60k all told depending on how complicated you want to make the system, and thats using commercial prices for hardware rather than a system specifically designed for it.That 17k+sales tax is going to be cheaper than paying a minimum wage employee 15k+all the taxes and other fees associated with that, so it can in theory be done on par or cheaper than a minimum wage employee for one year. If you go all out, it still pays for itself in 4 years.A lotCitation needed.And cancer isn't the only disease out there. There are tuns of diseases that will kill you without medical care - like pneumonia.And you're still missing my point. You're treating this like it's no health care for anyone. The US currently does not have free health care, and our poor are not dying off of cancer and pneumonia left and right.Okay, so we should also think about killing people, because the fact that it is illegal now is irrelevant?If you think the only reason to keep killing illegal is because it always has been illegal, sure. Are you suggesting that killing is only illegal because it always has been, and that there aren't other reasons for making it illegal?And those supplies are apparently more entitled to rich than to poor.No. Neither are entitled to the supplies, period. The rich have the means to compensate for the cost of the supplies; the poor may not. Neither one is entitled.We're not making it free - we're splitting the bill between every citizen in the society, not equally, but a fair amount of your payment.How is a fair amount of payment not equal? If I've put the time and effort in to increase my earnings, why then should I have to pay more? If I've not bothered to do so, why then should I get to pay less?I could accede to that, if we got rid of tax breaks across the board in the US. That would mean the poor don't get out of paying taxes for being poor, and the rich don't have loopholes to avoid taxes with- a flat tax is something I would support, but isn't realistically going to be passed with the current culture in the US.Why?I've already detailed this, repeatedly. I refer you to reread my first couple posts in this exchange.