azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

of course that is just you not understanding English still.The DOJ says you are wrong and I am the one who doesn't understand English?Thanks for admitting it. Read the definition anew and you will see that it is basic English. There is no trickery here.discrimination: acts based on biasanti-discrimination: against acts based on biasanti-discrimination laws: laws against acts based on biashate-crime: criminal acts based on biashate-crime laws: laws against criminal acts based on biasDOJ still says you are wrong. You can repeat this all you want, you are wrong. I agree that you claimed this was the only definition you are going by, but when I tried using those definitions you pointed out I was wrong because of the DOJ.Right - because that's not what I said. I said all 5 were relevant to whether non-whites are prosecuted and the last one had a quote which made it also relevant to enforcement procedures.You said check the link for the quote. You didn't tell me which one had the link.I will take this to imply that you now know at this point that your position can not be substantiated.I will take that to mean that you admit to butchering the constitution.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

The DOJ says you are wrongprove it.what language does the DOJ use to say xyz act which is not a crime becomes a "hate-crime" because the perpetrator was biased?Where is the link and the quote??
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The DOJ does not recognize the term anti discrimination. They call it hate crime.what language does the DOJ use to say xyz act which is not a crime becomes a "hate-crime" because the perpetrator was biased?You already pointed out that they were saying that the anti discrimination law is the hate crime law. Do you really want me to quote it?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

The DOJ does not recognize the term anti discrimination. They call it hate crime.Do you not have google?Specific uses of the phrase "anti-discrimination law" by the DOJ:"Such a practice would violate federal anti-discrimination law"ref"Help spread the word about the work of OSC and the anti-discrimination law that it enforces"ref"Respondent acted in good faith, and made a good faith effort to comply with the anti-discrimination law."ref"a reckless disregard of established anti-discrimination law"refDo you really want me to quote it?Yes
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Well, the courts say you are wrong. What happens if the DOJ and courts don't agree? That is a problem. Sorry, you quoted the courts not DOJ.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

that still doesn't look like a link and a quote to me...
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The Courts"federal hate crimes statute"The courts don't consider it anti discrimination statute, do they?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

The court calls what I called a hate-crime law a hate-crime law - yea I feel so burned...
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

You called it the anti discrimination law before. When did you change your stance?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Hate-crime laws are a subset of anti-discrimination lawssquares are shapes, remember...do you need a venn diagram??
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

They are calling anti discrimination laws hate crime laws, not the other way around. They are saying all shapes are squares. Show me the venn diagram where all shapes are squares.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

randomly generic laws are a good thingThe element of intent is used for several other types of crime including murder and is not random or generic. The use of aggravating factors, in this case community intimidation, is also common.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The skin color of the people involved is not considered an element of intent unless you are a racist.The use of aggravating factors, in this case community intimidation, is also common.Use aggravated factors and not skin color then.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

The skin color of the people involved is not considered an element of intent unless you are a racist.skin color is not considered as an element of intent in the prosecution of hate crimes. only evidence of bias.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

How do all these non racists in Congress figure out that racists acts are so vile that they require extra (unconstitutional) punishment? Wouldn't you have to know how a racist thinks in order to make that judgment call? How would they know how much more vicious a crime is when the perpetrator involved racially hates the victim unless those people had those feelings themselves?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Do you have to be a murderer or arsonist to think that a law against murder or arson is a good thing?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

You would have to be a murderer to know that strangling means that you hated the victim more or an arsonist to know that starting a fire in the bathroom is more "evil". That's what hate crimes are more like. And I am specifically talking about actual hate crimes, where you get punished extra for targeting someone based on race.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

When you look at a crime and decide what the punishment is based on the race of the people involved, that's racism, plain and simple.See the second part of my response above.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

No, it was stupid. Why don't you address the only part of my response?won't prosecute based on the nature of the crimeIt not being a crime is a good reason not to prosecute. If it isn't a crime for a white guy to do something to a white guy how is making it a crime for the white guy to do it to a black guy not racist. You are taking a prejudiced viewpoint and taking race into account.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

It not being a crime is a good reason not to prosecuteFrom the hate-crime expert himself...:"I guess you missed the part about a crime. A hate crime is a crime already"LOL
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

If it isn't a crime for a white guy to do something to a white guyThe part you missed from my argument. Good rebuttal. Do you think hate crime law should be extended to situations where an action by a white guy toward a white guy is not a crime, but would be considered a crime if it was a white guy doing the same thing to a black guy?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Do you think hate crime law should be extended to situations where an action by a white guy toward a white guy is not a crime, but would be considered a crime if it was a white guy doing the same thing to a black guy?We have those laws already, but they are not hate-crimes laws they are anti-discrimination laws. Either something just clicked and now you get it, or your head just exploded...Equal Employment, Fair Housing, Voting Rights Act, etc.It is not a crime to not give someone a job - but it is a crime to not give someone a job solely based on their race.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

We have those laws alreadyWe are discussing whether those laws are stupid. Saying we have them doesn't mean anything.but they are not hate-crimes lawsNope. This is the problem. Those are hate crime laws according to the department of justice, that's why this whole argument is confusing.Equal Employment, Fair Housing, Voting Rights Act, etc.Not exactly the same thing, but close. This is the only part of "hate crime" law that should be done.It is not a crime to not give someone a job - but it is a crime to not give someone a job solely based on their race.I am fine with that as long as it is still ok to not hire a black person. As long as it is ok to reject people of another race when they are not qualified for the job, then I don't see any problem.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I am fine with thatIf you are fine with laws preventing discrimination solely based on race – doesn’t that make you a racist by your logic?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

No, I am saying that race is not a valid reason to disqualify someone from something. If that was the actual law we wouldn't be having this discussion. The racist lawmakers realized they should be punished more if they acted on their racism when attacking someone. As a non racist I think to myself, what is the big deal if he robbed that guy for being black? He could have robbed just as easily for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I can't see how the racial motivation would need to be punished more, but I don't know what it would be like to be racially motivated when I commit a crime. The lawmakers must know to make that decision.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

If that was the actual law we wouldn't be having this discussion.The problem with that is that those are the actual laws. I have linked you the specific text of the major hate-crimes laws and given explicit examples of anti-discrimination laws and can easily provide their legislative language too since you don't seem to know how.can you do the same?? can you show the text of any law that you disagree with?The lawmakers must know to make that decision.The law-makers don't have to know anything of the sort, they just leave it to judge/jury to determine if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime is motivated by bias
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The problem with that is that those are the actual laws.Sweet, they reversed the law about adding punishment to racially motivated crimes. Finally they are listening to me.can you show the text of any law that you disagree with?You said the law solely makes it a crime to racially discriminate, not adds punishment to something that is already a crime. I am opposed to the part where you think it is ok to add a punishment.The law-makers don't have to know anything of the sort, they just leave it to judge/jury to determine if there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime is motivated by biasThey lied to us then. Why did they pass a law when they don't believe that people should be punished more if it is racially motivated?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

At this point I will leave to any fair reader to see that I have gone well above and beyond to try and help you understand.You have admitted baseless claims, have resisted tons of evidence often without even examining it, have provided basically none of your own, cannot comprehend the most basic English, and have no understanding of the legal process in general nor discrimination laws in particular.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

cannot comprehend the most basic EnglishNot my fault, you pointed out that The Department of Justice won't use your definitions. I understand English too well.discrimination laws in particularThey don't exist because everyone calls them hate crime laws.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

41) Avoided ScandalWhat would you call Benghazi or the NSA incident?The Washington Monthly list was compiled before the attack on Benhazi, but I am curious as to what role you believe Obama played in either scandal you mentioned.42) Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil SpillThere's still controversy surrounding that incidentNothing of that size goes perfectly. Getting the fund setup quickly instead of spending years in court was beneficial to Gulf coast economic recovery.43) Recovery.govso what?Additional transparency is a good thing, no?44) Pushed Broadband Coverage95% of the nation has broadband coverage and it keeps growingPew research from 2008 showed that only 55% of American adults had broadband access at home (ref) - in rural areas it was 38%.As of May 2013 that number is 70% with an additional 10% of people who have smart phone internet access ref45) Expanded Health Coverage for ChildrenWell, we've addressed ObamaCare alreadyS-CHIP predates ObamaCare by more than a decade. In addition to the CHIP provisions in ObamaCare, Obama signed the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act and removed restrictions imposed under the Bush presidency ref. Your ad populum and other attacks on ObamaCare have no applicability to CHIP.46) Recognized the Dangers of Carbon DioxideWell, that's old news. I'm glad he finally "recognized" that it's a problem.finally?? The EPA issued its proposed findings less than 3 months after Obama took office. ref47) Expanded Stem Cell ResearchWhether this is good or not is debatableIndeed48) Provided Payment to Wronged Minority FarmersI don't know anything about itIgnorance is bliss, eh?49) Helped South Sudan Declare IndependenceThe situation has been getting worse since their independenceIt said that he helped them gain their independence - not that he created utopia.The US helped South Sudan through the UN and USAID before during and after their push for independence. And Obama formally recognized South Sudan as an independent nation. Are you arguing that the US should not have gotten involved or that we did not get involved enough?50) Killed the F-22Well, good
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Shit! I'm not going through all fifty again lol. I'm just going to take the advice of your username.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Success through bludgeoning - I'll take it :)
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I might respond one day... that day is not today though lol.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

He's got a little over 3 years left so feel free to take your time... :)
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

41.The Washington Monthly list was compiled before the attack on Benhazi, but I am curious as to what role you believe Obama played in either scandal you mentioned.You can't say that avoiding a scandal is a big deal and also claim that it is only for scandals that he avoided. He is 100% successful in avoiding the scandals he was able to avoid.42.Nothing of that size goes perfectly.So, why does he deserve credit, he didn't do anything special. He failed like everyone would.43.Additional transparency is a good thing, no?It is over one aspect of stuff he is already getting credit for.44.Pushed Broadband CoverageWho cares? He suggested that private companies should focus on expanding their network? That is not a presidential accomplishment. 45.S-CHIP predates ObamaCare by more than a decade.Hey! Guess who wasn't president more than a decade ago. Why does he get credit here?46.finally?? The EPA issued its proposed findings less than 3 months after Obama took office.So, you guys have been bullshitting everyone about the dangers for years without having any proof.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

43.Additional transparency is a good thing, no?It is over one aspect of stuff he is already getting credit for.Providing transparency into the stimulus was not a necessary part of the stimulus - doing so can be judged on its own merits. I assert it was a good thing over and above the stimulus itself.Additionally, he has created several other sites that provide government transparency not related to the stimulus:data.gov, USASpending.gov, ITDashboard.gov
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Providing transparency into the stimulus was not a necessary part of the stimulusGiving credit to Obama for the transparency as an equivalent to him saving a car company is also not necessary.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

At what point did anyone say that each item on the list was equivalent?You are grasping at strawmen.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

That would be you:doing so can be judged on its own meritsThe point I was trying to make is that it didn't need to be on the list because it wasn't equivalent to saving car companies. Thank you for agreeing.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

How does saying an accomplishment should be judged on its own merits mean that every item on the list is equivalent?You seem to have a more than trivial maladroitness with reading comprehension; I'm not sure if it is a result of public education or your feelings toward Obama, but you way want to do a little reflection at some point.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

How does saying an accomplishment should be judged on its own merits mean that every item on the list is equivalent?You are saying it has the merits to make the list.You seem to have a more than trivial maladroitness with reading comprehension; I'm not sure if it is a result of public education or your feelings toward Obama, but you way want to do a little reflection at some point.I have more important things to do than read your garbage.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

You are saying it has the merits to make the list.Saying that several items exceed a threshold is very different than asserting that they all have uniform importance.I have more important things to doLike take a reading comprehension class. Feel free to get right on that.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Saying that several items exceed a threshold is very different than asserting that they all have uniform importance.I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS UNIMPORTANT LIKE YOU SAID.I figured something that was on a list that including saving car companies from extinction would be somewhere close to the same value. Sorry, my bad.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS UNIMPORTANT LIKE YOU SAID.You are only agreeing with yourself. Some people will think that government transparency is better than the government stepping into the private market and others will not - it is subjective.I figured something that was on a list that including saving car companies from extinction would be somewhere close to the same value. Sorry, my bad.Yes indeed.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

No, you are arguing against yourself.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I know you are, but what am I... mature much???
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

It is funny that you don't understand the difference in what I said and what you said.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I think you summed it up nicely! Thanks for the comprehensive post.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

1. Passed Health Care Reform: Force it on people who did not want it. Cause millions to lose their insurance, made insurance premiums double.2 Passed the Stimulus "Five years later, underemployment is still too high, the number of people that have dropped out of the workforce is astounding, unemployment remains stubbornly high and our economy isn't growing fast enough—proof that massive government spending, particularly debt spending, is not the solution to our economic growth problems," 11. Told Mubarak to Go: And embraced the Muslim Brotherhood? stupid, stupid choice.13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: Our enemies no longer fear us.don't have time to explain all the failures.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

1. I agree that it has flaws. But sooner or later, we would be sent to the hospital and we shall be looking back on what could have happened if the Health Care was improved2. The economy was already bad when he got his rank. If not for his actions, it could have been worse11. It made peace with the Muslim world, strengthened the ties, and improved the security of the Americans.13. You cant possibly believe that intimidation will lead to something good
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

1. I have been sent to the hospital before Obamacare was even thought of and came out better than I have this time. Because Obamacare passed my insurance changed. I use to not have a deductible at all, now I have to pay $750 deductible.2. It is worse now than when he took office. I now make less money, pay more taxes, pay 2 times as much for my insurance, gas is higher.11. You can't have peace with a religion of violence. I have studied the Quran and it promotes killing anyone who does not convert. Christianity does not promote that. Christianity is a choice that is offered, but not forced on anyone. (Not true Christianity anyway. There have been those in the past who did, Catholics)13. I believe strength deters attack. If you are attacked then if you respond viciously it sends your message. I'm saying that as a U.S. Marine.