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Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

That's a cosy little mutual admiration alliance you and Daver have formed but both of you have sidestepped the issue of providing, or even attempting to provide, a practical answer to the illegal immigration problem and the Mexican criminal gangs.Sitting in an Ivory Tower hurling criticisms at ''real people'' who have dedicated their lives to serving their nation and addressing it's enormous problems is nothing more that embarrassing juvenile playground games by childlike adults trying to boost their already over bloated egos.While people such as you refer to ''TALKS' about ''DEBATES'' about ''DISCUSSIONS'' about TOP FLIGHT EXECUTIVE MEETINGS'', when all the while the illegal immigration/criminal/terrorist crisis worsens, gutsy people of substance like Donald Trump are setting about ''getting the job done''. Get off your high horse, admit that you haven't ''the foggiest'' how the west should extricate itself from it's self imposed terrorist/criminal emergency, get real and support one of the very few people in the west who ''tells it as it is''. It was the west's political talking machines including the great orator, Obama, who, through shortsightedness and inertia engineered the awful and ''deadly'' dilemma which we all in the west face, but who are totally and hopelessly incapable of formulating a strategy which will reduce the threat of criminality and terrorism which is the scourge of our times. Did you ''holier-than-thou'' lot ever wonder why the oil rich Muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia, and industrial giants like China, Japan and Russia haven't opened their borders to Muslim refugees and permitted unregulated immigration? We in the west have permitted our politicians to sleep walk us into an immigration/terrorist crisis which will persist for generations to come, if not forever.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Ah I see , expressing an opinion now turns into a mutual admiration alliance , I guess that's a bit like people that agree with you also have a mutual admiration alliance :) So can we call ours the cosy alliance so we are not confused with yours ... please .I'm not sidestepping the issue I'm asking is the best solution to the problem a wall ? That's really inventive and new isn't it ? I also stated ,We are having the same debates this side of the world most countries have illegals good and bad coming in , I would never demonise people fleeing oppression or dire economic circumstances to feed their families , are any of us any different if we were in their shoes ?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

The only good immigrant is a legal one whose skills and attributes are required by the host country. All others, to a greater or lesser extent, and in one way or another represent a threat. Be aware that I am not being gratuitously critical of your genuinely expressed opinion(s), but am always agitated by all those, not you in particular, who question and/or criticize the solutions which others, after serious consideration and research have presented, without detailing their own plans.Again I must express my view that it is so easy to feel smugly moralistic, like Angela Merkel, and call for the intake of 100s of 1000s/ millions of fleeing refugees that will help solve a problem in the immediate term but will create an even bigger problem in the short/medium term and an astronomical racial disaster in the future, not only for the people of the host nations but for the immigrants and their descendants who will, despite all the anti-racist laws and equality legislation will forever be regarded as second class citizens by the majority of the respective indigenous populations.I am certain, absolutely certain, as we've seen in France where the underlying non-acceptance by the snooty French, of the North African derived population of some 5 million, has led to a feeling of deep resentment which has in resent times manifested itself by shocking slaughter and the less publicised violence and intimidation against French citizens.I had my own business for 26 years with a workforce of over 130 and know that every decision must be fully thought through with every possible eventuality being considered.Our 'here today, gone tomorrow', bleeding heart politicians have no right to arbitrarily impose their whimsical,, ill thought out decisions on the citizens who they were entrusted and charged with the responsibility to protect.It is the citizens of the failed nations who are the architects of their their own plight and misfortune so why can some people not recognize that these ''failures'' will bring their congenital shortcomings, community ruining barbaric customs and practices to those nations who are sufficiently imprudent to adopt them?Illustrations of sad eyed children will pluck the heart strings of every descent person, but the emotional knee jerk reaction of, ahh, let them come to our country and we'll look after them is wrong.A REFUGEE ( AND THE OFFSPRING) IS FOR LIFE, NOT JUST FOR CHRISTMAS.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

You make plenty of points and I know you do so out of genuine concern , what I find truly amazing is that the best solution that the best thinkers in the US can come up with is a wall ?America is a great country i lived and worked there but I could never thought or imagined hearing an American contemplate building a wall as a valid solution to this problem ; this problem of illegals is not just an American one , and if we all do likewise over this side of the world we creating something ( I think) like an Orwellian nightmare .As I said there are and always will be illegal immigrants and whether Americans like it or not there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to illegals as in fuelling low end jobs in the labour market , I posted these stats yesterday .........The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: “The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage.”In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.I do agree there are ( certainly over here ) a lot of bleeding heart politicians and over the top PC types who see or envisage no problems regards illegals which is nonsense , it's a very interesting debate and I'm trying to comprehend both sides .. it ain't easy :) Thanks for your thoughts
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Perhaps I inadvertently failed to properly distinguish between the two groups of Mexican criminals, but it must be recognized that those illegal immigrants who are in America to improve their lot in life, are nevertheless criminals, and do so at the expense of American citizens.Your euphemistic description these unwanted Mexican gypsies, most of whom do not speak English, only serves to give veiled support to their criminal existence in the U.S., and to dilute the reality of the severe hardship they place on the American communities they infest.They deny American citizens jobs and cause wages to remain low and in many cases well below what is regarded as a livable rate. You fail to address the fact that the rogue employers of illegal immigrants cannot declare their unlawful presence in America and therefore are unable deduct the ''just and lawful taxes'' from their earnings as all other legitimate employees are legally required to do.Willful tax evasion is a criminal offence with penalties ranging from heavy fines to prison terms, just the same as Al Capone realized. The same tax evasion offences apply to those illegal Mexicans parasites who run their own enterprises and leech off American society without putting anything back into the economy.However, of the two bands of Mexican criminals the ''illegals'' are the lesser of two evils.The violent Mexican criminal groups which include drug dealers, people traffickers, pimps, protection racketeers etc.etc, are of course by far and away the worst affliction represented by the two forms of the Mexican disease.No one, including me is recommending to ''raise the drawbridge' but instead, permit the immigration of those Mexicans whose credentials are in order into America and whose professions or trades which cannot be sourced from within will be beneficial to the U.S.A. My argument does is not racist as I advocate that the same rules be applied to all criminal immigrants including the Irish, the Poles or anyone from whatever nationality who willfully and deceitfully break American immigration laws.The days of, ''give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses'', have long since come and gone.America is hurting badly and is clearly on the decline with nations such as China moving to take over the top position of the world's greatest industrial and military power.The eclipse of America is being accelerated by ''The Mexican Disease'', in both it's guises, and also by the liberal fools, some of whom don't recognize what's happening under their noses and dangerous people such as you who realize what's occurring but shy away from ''calling a spade a spade'' in favour of the same old platitudinous politically correct rhetoric.What I want from you is your detailed grand plan for redressing the intolerable and unsustainable problem(s) caused by ''THE MEXICAN DISEASE''.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

it must be recognized that those illegal immigrants who are in America to improve their lot in life, are nevertheless criminals, and do so at the expense of American citizens.Yes as I said, we currently have too many illegal immigrants in our country and they do stand in violation our immigration laws. OK, its seems that we agree about the jobs being taken, the taxes being avoided and the fact that there are both dangerous criminals and criminals who just want to come here and become a part of us. Still your vile name calling (gypsies, infestation, disease) serve you poorly.What I want from you is your detailed grand plan for redressing the intolerable and unsustainable problem(s) caused by ''THE MEXICAN DISEASESure --- Here it is:Stop the flow. WALLDeport all violent criminals, rapists etc.Prosecute all terrorists to the extent possible. Identify all remaining Illegal immigrants, then. Deport those not working. Give temporary work visas to those who are employed. Put them at the back of the legal Immigration line. No one has called me PC before, don't know where you got that.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Well, everything considered you do agree with the essence of my argument.A noteworthy point is that we both are deeply concerned about the crisis, have given it serious thought and, as our contribution to this thread bears witness, care intensely for the United States.Your strategy for lessening the strain the illegal Mexican immigrants and the hard core criminals have placed on the country is pretty well flawless.Name calling never hurt anyone, and my description of the plague of illegal/criminal Mexicans is simply me expressing how I perceive the epidemic of the cursed Mexican Disease.Now, maybe if 'Powerful Pedro' was standing in front of me I may not be so free with my, 'colourful descriptions', but that scenario would not alter the disgust I feel for these contemptible Mexicans whose presence pollutes the nation.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Your right, we essentially agree on what the immigration problems are. The difference being, that I'm not as pissed as you are at  ALL Mexicans.Probably because I interact with a lot of them regularly and they seem like decent people. Secondly angrily calling them names, kinda reflects poorly on you. Your argument is strong enough without it. 😀
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

This is why debate can be great as it makes you think about issues from all perspectives , I never had any problem with strongly held opinions as I don't like fence sitters :) Out of curiosity how many illegals do you think are coming in yearly ?Please don't ask ' powerful Pedro ' :)
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Yeah ------ I love this kind of civil discussion and debate. If we hold our tempers long enough, we usually come to a satisfying understanding or even agreement. But the really cool part is when we find others who enjoy civil debate, and we come to understand a new perspective. 😋
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

I'm with you daver , sometimes I do ' blow the stack ' but it's only after someone throws the first punch :) Yes it is really pleasant to have civil debate and it's been a pleasure have a great week 👌😊
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Work Week !Hell I gave up working when I turned 70. Just takes up too much of the day. Can't figure how I ever had time fer it ☺Anyway --- I'll CU on CD 👍
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

No daver I was saying have a great week 😊 not a work week 😊 I hope your really enjoying your free time ; I don't call what I do work as it's fun as I paint full time now ( watercolour ) ain't life great 👌See you soon 👌🎨
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Please elaborate on THE MEXICAN DISEASE. If there is danger, please alert us further.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

I would first like to address a few falsehoods and detracting generalizations in your argument. You continue to paint all illegal immigrants with a very broad brush and refer to them as "filth", "garbage" and my personal favorite "lowlife greasers". While your deep seated concern for American lives is respectable, it is completely unfounded. Out of the 11 million illegal immigrants and the 20 million legal and naturalized immigrants (according to the 2011-2013 immigration statistics) which you can find on http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states  only 1.9 million of the total 31 million immigrants have a criminal record. To present that in another fashion, out of the total 31 million legal and illegal immigrants, only 6.1% of them have committed crimes, save for the 11 million coming here undocumented which is moot. That is an incredibly low crime rate for any demographic, especially considering that you have labelled them as "filth" and "garbage". Compare, if you will, this percent to the percent of males in the U.S who have criminal records which is 45%. I would also like to point out that this wall is going to be an ineffective waste of taxpayer dollars. If the goal of the wall is, as you say, to stop the flow of contraband, criminals ect. then instead of capping a brewing wound you should fight it at the source. President Trumps own pick for head of Homeland Security said that a wall will be largely ineffective, and instead funds should be focused on stemming the problem at the source. If you would like to read more of his interview with John McCain you can find it here. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/homeland-security-john-kelly-border-wall.html?_r=0
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Your main concern seems to be criminality. Can you tell us what percentage of the illegal immigrant population has a criminal record compared to the percentage of the U.S. population with one?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

You don't have any liberal friends? How about family members? It sounds like you hate them. I'm wondering, in your life, where they are. Who are they?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

I hope you are not one of these activist ideolog teacheers trying to push your politcal views on the children.There is obviously good reasons for building the wall, and yes I'm sure there will be some downside to the taxes on mexico.I believe the upside far outweighs the downside.Either we have borders and laws to protect them, or we have a corrupt Government looking the other way for cheap labor and future votes, while American workers and tax payers are hurt.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

I'll tell you one thing. I came into this classroom conservative, and left liberal.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Well idk how that happened. I came into the classroom a liberal and left a conservative.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Their's a fool born every day. So you came into a class room with the humanity to care for the viable lives of late term babies, and you left the class room supporting the inhumanity of no restriction abortions?WOW, SICK!If you now vote for democrats, YOU ARE SUPPORTING NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!People don't just change their humanity on a classroom exprerience.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Their's a fool born every day. Yup you prove that concept quite well.So you came into a class room with the humanity to care for the viable lives of late term babies, and you left the class room supporting the inhumanity of no restriction abortions?WOW, SICK!If you now vote for democrats, YOU ARE SUPPORTING NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!People don't just change their humanity on a classroom exprerience.Impressive! You proved the concept in the same debate!
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Did you have a teacher that did this? If applicable, have your children had such a teacher?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Yes, in our school district, the elementary and junior high schools brought in Lesbians to speak to the children telling them about their lives. This is just one example of their PC arrogance.That is political correct LGBT activism forced into our public schools against the will of the parents.If you are blind to what is happening in our public schools, please wake up!Now the usual response from people who pretend to be blind to what is going on, is asking the question, what's wrong with teaching tolerance towards others.THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TEACHING TOLERANCE FOR ALL PEOPLE! No names of special interest groups is needed when you are dealing with impressionable kids.We have bullying going on every single day towards fat kids, skinny kids, short kids, nerdy kids, black kids, Jewish kids, Christian kids, etc. etc.There should be NO Gay appreciation days in schools. There should be appreciation days for ALL CHILDREN REGARDLESS WHO THEY ARE!There is no need for labels especially when sexual orientations are very controversial subjects for many parents.We will teach our children about controversial subjects as we see fit and when we see fit.We need no political correct teachers force feeding our children their views on controversial subjects.This is why Christians and Conservatives speak out against Liberals trying to constantly indoctrinate our children's minds.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Please message me with what school district you are talking about! I want to call them. Seriously. I have not experienced such a thing in my 20 years of teaching. School districts/administrators have always avoided controversy and creating conflict with parents....Is there really a "Gay Appreciation Day"?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Yes there really is and be thankful you live in school districts that respect parent's rghts.I'm not giving out personal information. Just know that I am not a liar.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Just know that I am not a liar.Another lie.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Please read brandonguap's response to me if you are ignorant to what Progreessives and LGBT activists are trying to do in our public schools.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

So you are saying that controversial topics are not to be debated at school, an institution built on learning how to critically think. Instead they belong in families or elsewhere such as social media. My question is do you really think that people who learn through their parents will always have critically thought out their opinion and the same for social media? I can't completely agree with you here if that is what you mean, as social media and parents do not cover all main points of differing views. Also about your school, Administrators who open forum for Lesbians to speak means they must open forums for Heterosexuals to speak as well, and I think that people not trying to take advantage of those open forums do not deserve to complain about the Activism
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

You are the arrogant progressives I speak to. For you not to understand that LGBT sexual orientations are contorversial subjects to millions of parents, make you as out of touch with America as all these pollsters who said Hillary had it in the bag.Do you only watch MSNBC? Try watching Fox news once in awhile and see how America outside New York and California think.What's so sad is that you would be the first one screaming if the NRA were allowed to come into every public school teaching children of the benefits of guns and how to use them.YOU JUST DON'T GET IT IN YOUR POLITICAL CORRECT WORLD OF DOUBLE STANDARDS.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Do you only watch MSNBC? Try watching Fox news once in awhile and see how America outside New York and California think.So switch 1 biased news source with another?YOU JUST DON'T GET IT IN YOUR POLITICAL CORRECT WORLD OF DOUBLE STANDARDS.Funny since you don't understand what a double standard is.