Debate: Vegetarianism vs Non vegetarianism
Side: Vegetarianism

"It's clear that I know what I'm talking about because I even referenced a translated article."If referencing an article makes one an expert, then I am an expert in a great many fields."Now you're projecting your inadequacies..."This whole paragraph is nothing more than bitter ad-hominem."animals die painfully in the fields where your grains, cereals and vegetables are harvested which undermines the argument of least pain"It doesn't completely undermine it, because it's not clear which scenario leads to the least pain. I have agreed, however, that it calls vegetarianism into question. Again, my argument, and yours, is that we should minimize unnecessary pain. If grass fed cows could do that, then we should have laws that promote the consumption of grass fed cows. If a purely vegetarian diet does that, then we should tax meat."logic rests upon premises"Yes, and as you say, if the premises are invalid, the logic is unfounded."certain meats have less of these fats than others"Ok, so from a health perspective, certain meats are ok. We agree that meats high in saturated fat are a bad idea. Meats low in saturated fat, such as turkey breast, would be fine were it not for the moral question."I'm debating your need to penalise others financially because they don't have a diet like yours."For the millionth time, I don't want to penalize others for not sharing my values. I want to penalize others for logically sound health and ethical reasons. Please refrain from abusing this strawman any further."A free society is based upon compromises..."You ducked my question over when the use of force is appropriate. I believe this is because you cannot give a satisfactory answer given your extreme anti-compulsory views.I agree that a free society should be based on compromises. That's why I'm not calling for the police to throw people in jail for consuming fatty meats. A moderate tax is a compromise."I didn't say you couldn't force people to follow regulations. I said that you cannot force people to be moral through law..."If you can force people to follow regulations and those regulations enforce moral behavior, then clearly you can force people to be moral through law."You can't make people empathise and concern themselves with the welfare of animals, using law."You can't make a serial killer empathize and concern themselves with the welfare of humans, using law. But we should legally disincent them from killing just the same."your inability"Is it really necessary to be such a condescending jerk?"Government serves..."You have said nothing in these three paragraphs that I disagree with. I also don't see any refutation of the idea that both culture and legal incentives shape behavior. The central question of whether it is ok to disincent people from taking a particular course of action is not addressed."...bluff being sceptical..."Skepticism is important. I'm not bluffing it. I'm simply asking you to provide reliable sources when you make statements of fact. Why does that upset you?"Logic is simply a means of arriving at a sound conclusion based upon assumed premises."Ok, so let me rephrase, "not all of those ideas are logically founded on valid premises." Happy now? Or would like to engage in further semantic quibbling?"if god exists and if Muhammad was the final prophet"Right, and those are invalid premises."In our society a person's viewpoint isn't measured by logic or rationality, it's simply allowed to exist as an opinion with everyone else's."That's true, but I'm arguing that viewpoints should be measured by rationality."Your viewpoint is not the most logical..."I'm arguing that it is."they win support for their persuasive power or merit..."Right, which is why I am arguing with you here."your viewpoint and its "logic" is just one of many equally valid and equally inescapable perspectives"That's not true. Give me one equally valid and equally inescapable perspective."So is meat-eating."It depends on the circumstances at which one arrives at that meat. But it isn't vegetariansim I was defending there, but rather the idea of promoting the overall welfare.