azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

The reason you want to convince yourself that you are superior to God is that you do not want Him to rule over you, you do not want to obey Him and you want to enjoy your sin in whatever way you feel like enjoying it. Your pride alone, even if you do conduct yourself in a relatively good and moral fashion is an offense to God and separates you from Him and I really think you are proud of yourself and I'm sorry to say it's dumb. To talk like you have the right to stand in front of God and say He is not there is just plain foolish and if you don't surrender to God and accept His offer of peace through the blood of Jesus Christ He shed for your immoralities, you will pay for your immoralities in Hell, forever unable to change the things that you have said, imagined, and done. You need God's forgiveness so He can forget those things and not hold you accountable in death and Hell.You should feel threatened by your own impending death if you are not forgiven of all you have done, said, and thought that was wrong. You should be threatened because you are guilty and need God's forgiveness for the threat of death to be removed. God removed that threat from me by taking my death and conquering death because the grave did not have the power to hold him like it will hold you if you take it on yourself which is what you are doing.God is trying to reason with you to bring you into agreement with Him so He can pardon you rather than condemn you. God loves you and you need to believe it and stop being angry at Him. He'll fulfill all the desires of your heart if you will trust Him. That's what He likes to do, but He can't do it if you insist on standing there denying He is there and denying He has the right to rule over you. You are asking for death and God is already giving it to you and pleading with you to let Him remove it from you be believing He took your place in death already and is risen from the dead.God loves you and so do I and I hope you live long and prosper well in this world, and I hope you enjoy it if this slow dying is the best you are going to have.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Your conclusion that morality is not objectively real is nothing but trying to excuse your own immorality. Your decision is not rational at all, it's self-deceptive and the verbiage you use is an attempt to elevate your intellect above your morals so your excuses are in your mind justified and you believe you are not held accountable for your immoralities even though they are taking you down in the corruption of death which is the corruption of immorality in your soul written in the DNA of your genes. You are not living in reality, you are dying in reality and trying to convince yourself that it's not real. You need to wake up before you wake up in Hell. Jesus Christ who is risen from the dead will be your awakening if you will repent of your immoralities and believe He paid the price of them in dying in your place so His blood covers your immoralities and in His resurrection you can receive Him and God's forgiveness. Denying God is moral, denying He is there, denying there is right or wrong in reality will not get you out of it.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

My conclusion that objective morality does not exist is founded on the utter lack of evidence that it does exist. I am not trying to avoid the immorality of my own behaviors because I fundamentally do not believe in immorality to begin with; what would be the point of trying to evade something I do not perceive as existing?I am also not attempting to justify anything because I do not believe any justification is necessary for anything. I have already explained that I do believe in interpersonal accountability based upon objective consequences.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

My compliments on your usage of the language to accurately express your beliefs. Because you are reasonable, you should understand that by your own denial of culpability and your own denial of recognition of objective morality you are declaring that you can do anything in the name of Hell that you feel like doing at any given time as long as you feel like it's worth it because you believe there is no Hell to hold you accountable in death. You are only trying to get yourself out of the trap you are in by talking and it's not going to work.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

While I do not believe in either culpability or morality, I do accept accountability as a valid necessity.As I have already explained: I am not a nihilist because I reject your god or hell, but rather I reject them because I am a nihilist. You are viewing this entire matter from a self-centric perspective that assumes my primary premise is the rejection and avoidance of your views. It is not.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

It is safe to assume that you are a sinner the same as me because you are. You probably do good most of the time overall, but you are still a sinner and I don't have to leap to any conclusions or make any allegations to know it's true. I'm simply stating some facts of reality...we are both polluted glasses of water with a poison in us that is killing us so no matter how much good we do we have still gone bad and are bad and that badness in our bones is killing us.Everything you have ever said, ever done, thought, or imagined in every moment of your time was done in time God gave you and for which you are indebted. We have all done wrong, we have all sinned against God, and we all owe Him a debt we can never pay because nothing we can do will undo the things we have done. There is going to be a reckoning. God Himself came as the Son sent by the Father to pay in full for so God can be satisfied our debt was paid and we can be pardoned from Hell and given eternal life. When the day of reckoning comes, I know I'm forgiven and I will not be condemned because the Judge took my punishment. My evil deeds will be brought into the open, my rewards or denial or rewards decided, and then all of my wrongs will be wiped away and forgotten in Heaven because Jesus took them on Himself and left them buried in the ground when He came out of the grave.Jesus took your death and He will bring you out of it into eternal life if you will trust Him. Talk it over with God, He is reasonable. Believe Him and trust Him and be saved from Hell.Yes accountability is both legitimate and necessary...because God is good. Life means God is good. The meaning of life is that God is good. God is good all of the time. All of the time, God is good....that's the meaning of life.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

It is not safe to assume that anyone is a sinner when sin itself is an unsubstantiated assumption. Nor have you given any evidence that God exists, let alone anything that say follows from His existence.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Again, I want to congratulate you for being a rare person who is able to frame this self-justifying belief system in a reasonable way...erroneous, but reasonable and grammatically correct so it can be logically and rationally discussed. Most people who hold your views can't get past cheap insults and never come close to composing structured sentences which are clear in meaning. I'm pleasantly surprised to find your writings engaging. You were using cheap insults at first, I'm glad you left that stuff behind.You are refuting your own argument and claiming to be exempt from responsibility because your argument cancels itself out as if it cancels you out. That's the atheistic hope in death, to be let off the hook of responsibility.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

My views are not self-justifying because I do not believe in the necessity of justification as you do. Nor are my views beliefs as nihilism is fundamentally the negation of belief. If I was guilty of "cheap insults" earlier the same can certainly be said of yourself towards me, so perhaps we can both be grateful that we moved beyond that. In what way does my argument negate itself? Simply asserting a logical inconsistency does not demonstrate that it actually exists. And again, you seem confused about my views; I do not find hope in death nor do I seek to evade accountability although I categorically reject the notion of responsibility.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I entirely agree. Good and bad is actually a mathematical concept filled with variables such as, does it help progress, does it save, does it hurt, does it take away. It's actually black and white. Meanwhile, in the real world when a meteor hits the earth and does everything "bad" it is just a natural occurrence. Good and bad is a man made concept and all therein is neutral and natural it just is what it is..
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I am not sure I understand what you mean. I agree that "good" and "bad" are strictly human conceptions, but am a bit confused by your statements pertaining to the mathematics of "good" and "bad" which seem to be more attuned to objective considerations rather than subjective value projection. Could you please clarify what you mean?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Hmm, the best way to clarify what I mean would be that everything is looked at in the world as good or bad by human judgement and good and bad are subjective and abstract principals. What is good to a mafia hit man isn't good to a saint. All of which are working on a number system depicting degrees of good and bad. If I say "Devil worship is bad because it deals with black magic, rape, and torture" We would throw three weights on the justice scales against said thing. The Word "and" is key there. It's the English equivalent of addition.Furthermore, the same type of mathematical language is found when addressing scale. "The Tzar bomb was '1000 times' bigger than those dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki." The key word here being times is the English equivalent of multiplication. Smoking would still be considered all good and healthy if it wasn't found to be cancerous and addictive.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I more or less understood what you meant about the mathematics. What still confuses me a bit is whether you think the mathematics considers only subjective consequences, only objective consequences, or both. Are you observing that subjective morality exists on a scale? Or that morality can be objectively assessed? Or something else altogether. It seems like "good" and "bad" might be getting confused with other concepts such as harm and benefit, practical utilitarianism, etc.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Good and evil is completely subjective.I think is the answer you are intending to receive from me.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I am not intending to receive any particular answer. I am genuinely trying to understand your point. If that is your point, then that is that; if it is not then I would rather hear what you actually think.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

face palmYour ability to understand me is impressive.That former comment is my point.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I tend to take things literally. When you said that you thought that was the answer I was intending to receive I took it on face as an implication that I was trying to get you to answer a certain way. Obviously I was not understanding you... which would be why I was clarifying instead of debating you in the first place.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

We are prone to think the worst when things happen so there must be a lot of good in the world to prevent the worst case scenario happening all the time.......?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Very good, a kernel of truth. Evil is restrained in the world by goodness. God uses goodness to restrain evil...sometimes His goodness alone, sometimes the goodness of good intentions of people who in reality are not pure and tainted by evil like we all are.The fact that you can do something good does not make you good. We are all like what should be a glass of pure water, substance of life but polluted with a fatal dose of poison. No matter how much good is in us, the pollution that is in us, the evil, the sin, kills us...we have all gone bad and doing good can't fix it.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Anticipating potential setback and harm is an evolutionary device that has promoted survival and well-being. It most likely has no bearing on the balance of "good" and "evil" in the world.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Instinctively most of us would rush to help someone in danger. Emotionally most of us would kill in some circumstance. We are by nature both the best and the worst of us.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Instinctively most of us would rush to help someone in danger.Two words: bystander effect.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Just one word. MOST https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=SJ0ffuwkMlU  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92-WOMbvEM Go be nice to someone.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

The first links to the generic YouTube page. The second links to a video highlighting 33 cherry picked exhibitions of people being moderately decent and mostly to other species. Only 6 actually involved humans helping other people, 4 of which would have been completely unnecessary if a lot of other people had not been creating the situation to begin with, and only one of which involved anyone being in any danger in which case all the "good Samaritan" did was slow down and point. Consider me unpersuaded by this "evidence" that most people rush to help someone in danger.P.S. Just because I am cynical about human nature does not mean I do not do nice things for others. How "good" of you to imply otherwise though.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

In my opinion, human nature is naturally good because a baby comes into this world helpless and with no bad intentions.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

A baby comes into this world entirely self-centered. Born innocent because it cannot understand good and evil, but born bad, dying from the moment of conception because evil is in it's genes. We are all gone bad.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

A baby that is born has no concept of self, so how could they be self centered?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Stop feeding it and see what happens. Let it get cold and see what happens. Take it's toy away suddenly when it's playing and see what happens. Stop smoking dope and try to be realistic. Babies are born entirely self-centered, all that matters to them is their own comforts and they demand that whoever is around them cater to their needs or they will throw a heap big whining cry baby fit....and they usually get what they want, don't they?If you think a baby has no concept of self, maybe ......wow...how many abortions have you had or encouraged? abortion is murder.Even in the womb a baby will scream silently with fluids rather than air in it's mouth, when a murderous doctor sticks something in to dismember it. And you are still going to try to tell me that human nature is good?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Stop feeding it and see what happens. Let it get cold and see what happens. That proves it has survival instincts, nothing else.Take it's toy away suddenly when it's playing and see what happens. Try not giving the baby possessions and try to claim it has a sense of personal ownership. Stop smoking dope and try to be realistic.Only if it is a joint effort :P Babies are born entirely self-centered, all that matters to them is their own comforts and they demand that whoever is around them cater to their needs or they will throw a heap big whining cry baby fit....and they usually get what they want, don't they?Comforts? Food, warmth, water, those are not comfits, those are things they need to survive, and they whine if they do not have them.If you think a baby has no concept of self, maybe ......wow...how many abortions have you had or encouraged? abortion is murder.Where is the logical progression in that? A fetus CERTAINLY has no concept of self.Even in the womb a baby will scream silently with fluids rather than air in it's mouth, when a murderous doctor sticks something in to dismember it.Citation?And you are still going to try to tell me that human nature is good?I never said it was good or bad.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

"... a joint effort..." XD
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

you never said it is good or bad? So you really don't know what you are talking about?It's bad. Human nature is like a glass of water which was pure and good, but had a fatal dose of poison mixed in. All of the good water cant' make the water good because the poison ruined it all.We all have the poison of evil in us, we are all evildoers, sinners, all gone bad and getting what we deserve for it. God loves us and will forgive us if we believe He paid for us through the death of His Son, God Himself taking our place to pay for our evil, so our evil can be removed from us through His resurrection which He will give us if we receive Him personally, for real, from God, in honest communication. You can talk to God and take Him at His word....quit believing all the devils who say it's too good to be true.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

you never said it is good or bad? So you really don't know what you are talking about?It's like you are determined to be belligerent. I don't believe human nature is either good or bad.It's bad. Human nature is like a glass of water which was pure and good, but had a fatal dose of poison mixed in. All of the good water cant' make the water good because the poison ruined it all.We all have the poison of evil in us, we are all evildoers, sinners, all gone bad and getting what we deserve for it. God loves us and will forgive us if we believe He paid for us through the death of His Son, God Himself taking our place to pay for our evil, so our evil can be removed from us through His resurrection which He will give us if we receive Him personally, for real, from God, in honest communication. You can talk to God and take Him at His word....quit believing all the devils who say it's too good to be true.And you are back to repeating the same shtick ad nauseum.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I accurately stated your belief, showing I followed your wording well, listened well, and you call me belligerent? And you don't know if human nature is bad? You are a stinker the same as me, and it's bad. Why don't you just admit it?I'm repeating the polluted glass of water analogy because it is a pretty good portrayal of human nature, and intellectual midgets like you seem unable to grasp the simple concept.I deal in reality, facts, not self-deceptive creampuff stuff in which a trickster tries to convince himself that he's a good person, good being better than a bad person for whom Hell would be home if anybody goes to Hell. The truth of the matter is Reality 101, we are all polluted glasses of water, all dying from sin, and all worthy of Hell because human nature is bad. God is good, we are bad, and that's why He is living and we are dying. He gives life.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

you never said it is good or bad? So you really don't know what you are talking about?That is being belligerent.And you don't know if human nature is bad? You are a stinker the same as me, and it's bad. Why don't you just admit it?Why would I admit something I do not believe? Again, I do not believe human nature is bad OR good.I'm repeating the polluted glass of water analogy because it is a pretty good portrayal of human nature, and intellectual midgets like you seem unable to grasp the simple concept.And you are back to being belligerent and insulting people because they do not share your theological beliefs. Ironic, really. But I will repeat myself: I do not find your analogy valid because I do not believe in the existence of original sin.I deal in reality, facts, not self-deceptive creampuff stuff in which a trickster tries to convince himself that he's a good person, good being better than a bad person for whom Hell would be home if anybody goes to Hell.No, you deal in your theological beliefs, which is normally find, but you are being a complete ass towards anyone who does not share your beliefs.The truth of the matter is Reality 101, we are all polluted glasses of water, all dying from sin, and all worthy of Hell because human nature is bad. God is good, we are bad, and that's why He is living and we are dying. He gives life.The truth of the matter is that you are incapable of doing anything other than stating and restating your theological beliefs. You are not debating, and you have come to a debate website to proselytize and insult people. It is pathetic, and you should leave.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I have offered an excellent analogy showing human nature is bad, and many logical, factual, and realistic supporting arguments. You pretty much do nothing but insult me, and your personal preference of being rude over exercising your brain to discuss the debate like an adult should be more than enough for you to know your nature is bad the same as me who you are trying to prove is not as good as you. We are both not good, there is no good, no not one. Human nature is bad and God is merciful so He gives us time to breathe His air as a gift. You argue against Him because your nature is bad and He is good. You are getting what you deserve, refusing God's offer of pardon and forgiveness. I hope you change your mind about the value of your sin....and I don't have to name your sin specifically, you know what it is and you know God hates it because it's for nothing but your self-serving pleasure and ego and totally against God's right to rule over you which you can deny but you cannot deprive Him of. Your own death proves it and you deny it and what good are you?