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Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Do you understand "Making a deal with the devil"?You seem to have no idea what satanism is or what christianity is.Making a deal with a devil to me is joining a cult that says "Believe in my God and you will live forever in paradise."That sounds like a real tricky deal to me. Something that might have a lot of fine print.That's your religion, by the way.You should think before you speak or type.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

A story resembling a deal with the devil is synonymous to the story of Adam and Eve in which man lost his immortality and wisdom meaning that story indicates the loss of something good from man. We have no solid evidence in the story but basing from a devil`s natural tendencies from previous known premonitions then it would be unethical to make a deal with them due to their unpredictable tendencies.Another example would be the various spiritual incantations in which devils are called to do the bidding of man. It may be done in urban or rural places. An example of the method may be the use of ouija boards that would call spirits to answer questions but having a drawback of possession to a human host. Therefore it would be a risky ordeal.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

story of Adam and Eve in which man lost his immortality and wisdomActually (in the myth; I don't believe any of this) we gained wisdom when we ate from the Tree of Knowledge, or of Good and Evil. Or, at least, we were supposed to gain knowledge of good and evil. But we don't quite seem to have it as a species from what I can see. Perhaps god gypped us. And the loss of our immortality was actually gods punishment for the natural curiosity and desire for knowledge he programmed us to have. We wanted for and obtained knowledge, and for that - our very, very first mistake - god threw us out of paradise and put a curse on all of humanity forever. Not only is this god obviously opposed to the idea of the enlightenment of humanity, he also clearly prone to overreacting and dealing out harsh and unfair punishments, like infinite torture for finite crimes. So the question naturally follows, why would you revere and worship a malevolent entity like this, and not seek to rebel against and usurp it as we would any violent, tyrannical despot?
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

I believe it was a test. We were indeed in a haven of happiness and everything we need was right in our reach. Then the test was obedience to his orders. For an example, a master and pet relationship. Even though it may be a minor mistake for the pet, lets say sleeping in the couch, the master gets mad and reprimands the dog. Our crime may be light in our perspective but to him, well its a different story. We were the created to take care of his creations and to enjoy happiness with him. Everything we needed was there so why change that? We were just being tested to obey god`s orders but we lost due to the devil`s interventions. We followed the devil over him. Now back to the first example. Your dog slept on the couch because another person told him to even though you already told it not to sleep there. It not only disobeyed you, but betrayed you by following someone else. It may seem light to the dog, but your feelings as the master would be different. Same as our scenario.But let us not focus on the dark side of things. We were banished from paradise and allowed to feel suffering, but with those sufferings and hardships. We become stronger and we appreciate very moment of happiness that we feel. How can you be happy if you have never been sad? How can you feel safety if you haven`t been through danger? How can you enjoy victory if you haven`t felt defeat? Every move that God makes has a purpose. It is not our place to judge him for his actions.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Then again, you do have a point that it was probably a bit too much. But Adam and Eve aren't the only ones to be blamed but the devil as well. If he had not intervened with God`s orders, the 2 would`t have eaten the fruit. As for the dog analogy, the sin was committed on a celestial scale meaning a deal has been done with the devil. By following the devil, they offered themselves and opened themselves to the consequences of their curiosity. As what I have said in my previous posts, once you have made a deal with the devil, you always lose. That scenario gave us inadvertently to the devil, in some way whatsoever that is why God reacted as such. Then again it was our fault in the first place. Due to their curiosity , sin entered the world. How? For an example, you are curious about the feeling of sex. You were taught that you should refrain from sex until you have a job and can sustain a family. Due to your curiosity, you end up having sex as a student. You felt the pleasure and the knowledge of the experience. But in the end you got the girl pregnant. Thus the consequence would be that you will have to work at a very young age to sustain your family, and your child will also carry the burden since his father is not prepared to take care of him. So it is a chain reaction, resulting from a single mistake because of curiosity.But through our curiosity we would have to pay for it. Who creates suffering other than humans? Mostly, its our fault why we suffer. But God always plans for us. When he destroyed all sinners, he still had hope for humanity in the likeness of Noah. If he was such a cruel god, then he would`t have left anyone alive. So why let our race live? It is because he still plans for our salvation. He offered his only son to save us. Jesus, that we may be able to go to paradise with him once more. Don`t ask me to prove it though since we still don`t have any hard evidences, but relating to the story, it is his response to the sin. What I said about not judging him was that there are actions of him which we do not fully understand. For an example in the story of Abraham. Whom he asked Abraham to offer his son Isaac to him, only testing his faith and thus rewards Abraham as the father of all nations. Thus his actions may be questionable at times but still proves his integrity.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Satanism encourages unrest and encourages chaos in humanity.Wrong.Where would you rather write in the light or in the dark?Irrelevant.Satanism is like eat now pay later. But once you have eaten, you will have to pay... forever.Are you fucking serious? You're trolling right?It is because Satanism does not promise salvation.No, because we don't believe in magical sky genies.You're too retarded for me to warrant further further discussion with you.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

What makes you so sure I am wrong?"Where would you rather write in the light or in the dark?" I used this as an analogy to state the difference in the ideologies of the 2 beliefs. If you had to choose then it would be much more practical to choose the one that promises salvation since Satanism does not.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Except your beliefs are fucking stupid."Pay now, receive later"?WHEN?Fucking bastard, you want me to ruin my life for some bullshit belief system that grants me immortality?You ever heard of the statement "Too good to be true"?Yeah, you're full of shit. You bought into a bad deal and now you are so "faithful" to it that you try to dupe others as well.You have no idea what you even believe, right? Have you even read the entire Bible from page 1 to the end? If you have, what did you think of it? Did you think Ezekiel's visions sounded like a bad acid trip, rather than actually seeing a god? What about Jesus walking on water? You think he actually did it or do you think it was just a low tide?What about when Judas died twice? Didn't that strike you as odd?But the biggest problem with you is that you are asking us to gamble away our lives on what you believe. I can't know if you're correct or not, and you have no way to prove it, unless you dose me with a shitton of acid. You're basically telling me to receive my gift after I pay... after I'm dead.That's bullshit and you know it. Only a fool would buy into Christianity.And that's exactly what you are.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Calm down. This is an intellectual argument. I am just defending my side. Therefore there is no need for foul language. Do you have much knowledge about Christianity as to deny its existence, It may be possible that you grew up in an environment contrary to its ideologies which is why you deny the said religion. Obviously the Bible speaks using symbols and should not be taken literally. From your point of view it may seem stupid. But having a religion not only benefits the organization itself but an individual state of mind. Religion gives inner peace and self principles to the believer one that cannot be understood by a non-believer. I am not asking you to change your beliefs since I am sure you have though of them very carefully. When one denies a concept, does one literally know much about that concept or he just does not want to accept such and denies it. Christianity may seem too good to be true as you say and you have a point in doing so. But it does not exactly revolve around miracles and divine providence. It somewhat teaches human beings in forming a just society. But there are still mistakes committed by the church. Nonetheless even if it seems to look as a huge gamble, I believe it is till worth it for there is no harm in trying. I am not asking you to believe or not. Its your life anyway. Do what you want. As mere mortals, its our choices who define who we are. The question is, after you have made that choice, will you be a better person and benefit the world?
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Yes, I know quite a bit about Christianity. It's quite well known that despite you taking this 'higher ground" of peace and purity, the truth is that Christianity is and always has been a corrupted entity. And about the Bible. I'm pretty sure calling some of my friends "abominations" isn't very symbolic.Nor is it fair to women. In fact, I will go ahead and call you out on your shit again: The Bible is a wicked and horrible book of oppression and lies and no matter how you coat it, it's a deal with the devil if you sign up and believe that stuff.And yes, I was once Christian. I once wanted to be a priest. I had my faith, but then I lost it. How? Only with careful study and dedication. There was no anger or rejection. It simply realized it was false, and almost right away I realized what a mind controlling and insane and evil system it is.How you fail to realize that it's all lies and oppressive, violent hatred spawning crap seems astounding, but indoctrination is strong.I'm sure you know it's bullshit. You can't really think that in this world, magic and the supernatural is ACTUALLY real, right? Not real enough to bring it into government and the lives of those not interested. But you do anyways.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Yes I myself know that there are wickedness and corruption inside the church. The reason being so is that its leaders always move with their own interests. For an example, there is this third world country having problems in population and has passed a reproductive health law in which promotes the use of contraceptives. The church denies the law even though it is for the good of the state. As you must know, every community commits mistakes but that mistake does not necessarily reflect that part to the whole. For an example a student in a school is a cheater, one must not conclude every student in the school as a cheater. Same goes for the church. One Christian or many Christians` mistakes does not reflect the whole religion. As for the Bible, it is described as an infallible faith book. It was also written in by multiple authors which is why it is already complete and irrevocable. During the time it was written, the culture then was very different from ours. They were narrow minded and were easily tempted to commit crime. But they were strict followers of the law and as such discriminates anyone who disobeys it. People tend to have fear of the unknown which is why atrocities were committed to non-believers. During that time as well, women were treated of lower stature than men. That is not the Bible`s fault since even in other cultures like Roman, Greek, Chinese, and Babylonian discriminate women. That was the so-called trend during those times. The secret to not be controlled is to not let your faith be controlled by anyone else. Do you think is wrong. Do only what you have the conscience to follow and let no one dictate you on your beliefs. Everything in this world is wicked so all you need to do is adapt to this world.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Everything in the world is wicked? Ahahaha, if you say so.The rest of what you said? Probably true.But what does it matter? I agree. Christianity is outdated. I don't know about people willing to commit more crimes back then. I'm sure that they had plenty of harsh penalties for crime back then. However, I don't even know what your point is.Yes, the Bible is outdated. It is a book of mythology, which would be interesting except for the fact that some people take it very seriously and ruin other people's lives and freedoms with it. They think it's real, when it's clearly not. The Bible is wrong and outdated and violent and not true. So who cares what it says? Let's move on and try to be friends instead of disputing me in favor of an ancient book that tells you that I'll go to hell for what I believe.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Yes you have a point. But believers do not need any proof to follow what they want. Its their choice and it shall never change no matter what happens. But the Bible does not necessarily mean that of mythology but let us say a figurative history book in which there multiple authors.I believe that there is no point in arguing in our beliefs since neither of us would change. It would be much better if we just get along and focus on our similarities. You have a point on that.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Yes, that would be ideal. I don't really mind Christianity the religion, but when it has enslaved half the world, and continues to oppress me, even my friends who are gay, when it holds down science and dominates politics, when I am judged as an "evil atheist" by anyone who finds out I don't believe the same things they do, there is a large problem, I feel.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Yes. People who are ignorant tend to misjudge people in their beliefs. But do not mistake the part to the whole. I myself see the atrocities of the church. But then again, I am in no position to judge them. My faith as well would not change. I want to envision the future of the world as filled with open-minded people. I hope that happens one day and the church would reform its decisions.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Please do not include insults in your arguments for it does not directly improve your way of argument. I take no offense from your beliefs since we live in different ways. I respect your decision and I hope you will find happiness in your ideologies.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Your language just shows that satanism is self centered and hateful towards anyone who is against you. Well i come against you in the Name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, and you are powerless before HIM. Like i said, Jesus won this battle already at the cross and even death could not hold HIM! HE IS ALIVE AND SITTING AT THE FATHER'S RIGHT HAND. HIS RETURN IS SOON, I CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE HIM FACE TO FACE :D MARANATHA LORD JESUS :D
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

You still believe in a religious mythological character if you're a satanist. And you probably still believe in god if you feel the need to be at the side of something opposite to it.I'm not a satanist, I'm an atheist, and that's because I don't believe in things that aren't evidently true. Satan is just as included in that statement as god is. And satanist rituals, practices and worshipings, are enough to classify satanism as a form of religion (more often than not, at least in europe and in the US, some sort of sub-set of christianity).And like it or not, satan is an invention that blossomed from religious (leaders) beliefs as a way to instill fear on people thinking about desobeying their doctrine.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

You still believe in a religious mythological character if you're a satanist. And you probably still believe in god if you feel the need to be at the side of something opposite to it.Wrong. Im as atheist as you. I'm an atheistic satanist. I don't believe I him or any of their supernatural but I like the teachings and ideals and some practices that come with it so I identify as a satanist. It's just a philosophy, not my religion.I absolutely do not believe in god or anything in the bible. I debate rigorously against such absurdities.No I dont go against it because I don't believe in it. Some satanists are jus angsty teens that do so but I an not one of them.I'm not a satanist, I'm an atheist, and that's because I don't believe in things that aren't evidently true.Me too. Im a skeptic and ive done my homework. I think critically just like you. I know what an atheist is.Satan is just as included in that statement as god is.If you're saying that they are equivalent then I agree. But I don't know what statement you're referring to.. And satanist rituals, practices and worshipings, are enough to classify satanism as a form of religion Well only if they are serving a supernatural purpose. Like if someone prays to Satan or invokes a demon then that is a religious practice because you have to believe in the theism to conduct it.But satanism has meditations and health practices too. Like yoga, chakra meditations, and stress relief meditations. A person can do these things and not believe in Satan because that isnt a requirement and there's no supernatural purpose to then. I am one of these people.So yes, some practices indicate that it is a religion, and some dont. If you divide these up you can have theistic and atheistic satanism. Laveyan satanists also do rituals and stuff and they just use Satan as a symbol. Theyre atheistic too.(more often than not, at least in europe and in the US, some sort of sub-set of christianity).Again this is incorrect.And like it or not, satan is an invention that blossomed from religious (leaders) beliefs as a way to instill fear on people thinking about desobeying their doctrine.Maybe in some rebellious cult but not mainstream satanism. It's an independent branch of beliefs stemming from old pagan religions. NOT Christianity. Thought yes as a religion the theistic satanism is made up and could serve the purpose of manipulation of people. But, satanism has always been a very very very small amount of people compared to other religions so I doubt it was ever used for this.Oh one last thing. To clarify more that I don't actually believe in Satan think of this: if I asked you about Buddhism you'd say it's a religion. Yet many many people don't believe in buddha yet follow it as a philosophy. And Wicca, some people don't believe in the Wiccan deities yet like what it says about nature so they follow those teachings. Not every [insert religion here]ian (ist) necessarily believes in the mainstream theism. Many don't. Some Christians even reject god and Jesus and the stories but follow Jesus's teachings because they like them. And I applaud those people
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

It's just a philosophy, not my religion.Many people try to disqualify buddhism as a religion using that reasoning, however is fails to take in consideration that buddhism has many of the properties that qualify religions, in which believing in a deity is not mandatory. I can't judge your position towards satanism from what you said, but just wanted to underline that. As you said later on, people follow buddha, but buddha is not a supernatural deity, and still, yes, budhism is qualified as a religion, as it, again, has many of the same properties that qualify something as a religion.Still, you don't need to identify as anything in particular in order to absorb its good practices. My mother, just like some examples you gave, wasn't a buddhist and could never be confused as one, even despite that she adopted many of their ideologies to her life. That doesn't make someone a religious person, and for that reason I find it hard to believe that your choice to identify as a satanist is justified (though, again, I don't know up to which point you are into it).I don't believe I him or any of their supernaturalYou see, this kind of contradicts your avatar and your name, through which one gets a first impression on where you stand.Some satanists are jus angsty teens that do so True, and very ridiculous at that too.I don't know what statement you're referring to..I meant my previous statement.Well only if they are serving a supernatural purpose. Like if someone prays to Satan or invokes a demon then that is a religious practice because you have to believe in the theism to conduct it.Exactly. Most of what I see is exactly that. Further on you refer to something else as mainstream satanism, but at least where I live this is the mainstream satanism, even if it's not very mainstream on the big picture. And it's mostly what I was refering to in my first response. I may be ill informed if there's a more serious minded and benevolent or socially and individually beneficial version of satanism. But this kind of satanism is what I refer to as a sub-set of christianity, where most of them don't even realise the contradictions they fall into (some not believing in god yet hating it, some not noticing they believe the same things just with a different attitude towards them, etc). Some of them don't even know what gehenna was except from what they read in Cradle of Filth music lyrics (one of my favorite bands. :) Ironicaly.)
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

No, Satanism says YOU are the most important thing in this world. Care for yourself and those you care for and fight those who will harm you. Also Satan is Prometheus to those who believe in him. The giver of knowledge and freedom. The choice between Satanism and Christianity is selfish, curious independence and voluntary, beneficent slavery.The choice between Atheistic Satanism and anything else, to me, is sight to blindness.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Christianity just like every other thing in the world looks different on paper. Its about having a relationship with Jesus. About love, just like you were loved. Eye for eye makes the whole world blind. Its about love.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

Love me...or get thrown into the infernal pit of hell for eternity...yeah great stuff
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Christianity

Does Satanism promise salvation as it to be so much desirable to you?
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

No because it's not a belief (in my case, not all) in a deity and wonderfull afterlife. I just see the teachings and philosophy as wise and easy for me to follow. They show promise for a good life. It's atheism with a twist in my case. I don't need hope for pitiful salvation. I use my energy to focus on THIS life, the ONE you get to live. Whatever happens after happens.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

You mean those cute little boys right?? Oohh the priests love them so much, they have been cuddled from top to bottom ^^ it's all in the name of Jesus.
Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

You obviously mistake the part to the whole. Then when for an example an man robbed you does that scenario term that all men are thieves? Obviously its wrong since you are committing hasty generalization.Plus what made you think that Satanists would`t do the same if both religions are practiced by mere mortals?