azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

iv heard a arrangement of points being said on the side of wanting them to live. such as it cost more?!?!? are you crazy, maybe if you use top secret unknowing area 51 stuff for every death sentence to kill them. but these sickos who liberals say "o he did not mean to decapitate the little girl then hide it in his closet" or "well just because he killed a person out of anger dose not mean we must kill back in anger" these people who defend murders make me sick. it is more expensive to pay for the prison fine or the mental hospital find for these criminals to get the easy way out, and to watch them end up doing the crime again. not only are we bringing justice to these wrong doers, we are protecting others from future crimes they may do. i guarantee you if the shooter at fort hood lived, you would hear every left wing nut job in your community praise him as a hero and say he was just in his acts. yes are Court system is pretty missed up. but it dose not stop the act of bringing justice to some one who commits murder, i mean its pretty obvious if they did the crime or not, outside witnesses can tell you that most of the time, and as for accidental death crimes, we have protection for people who end up in theses unfortunate situations, we don't just kill every person charged with murder.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

In fact mudkipz, many people would prefer the death penalty of life in jail. An the people put in jail have a very small chance to get out, next to none in fact. I don't think you understand that life in jail means LIFE in jail WITHOUT parole, so they cannot committ further crimes. In addition, the way you talk about liberals sickens me, you are the kind of person that intelligent conservatives rue, people like you give them a "bad name".
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Why should you defend the murderer? If they killed someone, the same should be done to them. "Do unto others as you would want to be treated", no?Also, Hillary Clinton did defend a rapist in court (no, it's not exactly the same crime) and liberals/Democrats defended her on this, even when she admitted that she knew he was guilty. So, I think he's correct about most liberals being against the death penalty.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

It is the perfect punishment for the worst crime. An eye for an eye does not make the whole world blind. It just makes two people blind at a time. ;)
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

By killing a murderer, it is not only he who suffers. It is everyone he knows, especially his parents. In this way instead of stopping sufferings, it prolongs them. Can you prove that killing a murderer is beneficial?
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Besides the fact that it gets rid of that member of society once and for all (Do we really want to keep Charles Mansons in BTK Killers alive in jails with the chance of escape?), I believe the death penalty has deterred at least some people from committing murder.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

I would much prefer that the Manson's & BTK's of the world be held under study for life without parole so that we can better understand why they turned out the way that they did, so that others need not go down that same path in the future.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

We do know a lot about why they became mass murderers. Even if we kept them alive in a cell, there's no guarantee they would cooperate. We can get more information from a third party anyway. If you want to find out about a person's character, the best people to ask are people who are close to them. The person in question is likely to exaggerate the truth and omit details.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"Even if we kept them alive in a cell, there's no guarantee they would cooperate" ...except that many already have."We can get more information from a third party anyway."There's no better source for the truth than from a first-hand account.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Do you honestly think a mass murderer is a viable source of information? I've heard stories of these people before. My mom worked in a place designed to handle paranoid schizophrenics and people with bi-polar disorders. One person there actually killed his entire family when he was younger, except for his sister because she got away in time. When asked why he killed them, he said that the chickens on his farm told him to grab a wrench and beat them all to death. So now that we know he's insane, we should allow him to walk the streets? I'm sure if they could track down his sister, they'd find out a lot more things about his life that they didn't know beforehand.Also, if you're going to downvote an argument, explain why. And "I disagree" in any form is a very bad reason.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"Do you honestly think a mass murderer is a viable source of information?"Do you honestly believe in science?? I do, and I know that through studying things that we learn more about how & why they occur, period."When asked why he killed them, he said that the chickens on his farm told him to grab a wrench and beat them all to death. So now that we know he's insane, we should allow him to walk the streets?"LOL...who says that we need to release people that are a danger to themselves & others?? That's a strawman argument.As for your buddy, he obviously had a specific mental disorder, but WHY did he develop it?? Wasn't chemical, biological, his treatment as a child, etc., etc.?? We need to KNOW these things in order to prevent others from falling into the same trap of mental illness!
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Very logical, I agree, the family or friends would be a more reliable source because they are less deluded than the person who thought it was right to kill others. This isn't to say that the murderer's verbal accounts of his own experience could not also be valuable information to piece together the puzzle.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Ok, so we should weigh up the good and bad that comes from it. It has deterred at least some people from killing others. However it has led to the deaths of many more people (all the murderers) compared to the number deterred. "Do we really want to keep Charles Mansons in BTK Killers alive in jails with the chance of escape." I believe the chance of escape is remote especially considering the amount of security provided for such high profile cases.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

But when you weigh the deaths out, the deaths from crime are all (well mostly) innocent people: women walking home from the grocery store, children playing in a yard, families and friends. The people dying from the death penalty are guilty people who have taken the lives of others. I have heard that there are false verdicts and that some innocent people are killed accidentally, but that number is decreasing year by year. Back in the 70's, they didn't know how to test DNA, but now that we can, verdicts are far more accurate.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Your reasoning is solid. I agree that the people who are killed are mostly innocent people and that those killed by the death penalty are almost certainly guilty of the crime. We differ in our ideological basis whereby I believe that even a serial killer's human life is precious. I believe that people are essentially good but their view can become twisted and perverted and they lose control and basic morality. Society should be protected by all means from such people ie, life sentences, I only wish that their lives could be spared in the hope that some good may come from them. Thanks for the debate
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Put'em in the ground

If someone is bad enough to be considered for the death penalty then they must have had sure evidence that they are guilty if they are then they shouldn't deserve the right to live among people they could kill
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Why would you prefer people to be killed rather than jailed away from society so that their harm is neutralised?
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

It puts a lot of strain on the prison systems and they aren't always held there like they should be. Execution makes more financial sense if it's done correctly.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

It's already been proven that the costs to try & convict a death penalty case far & away costs more than trying & convicting a life without parole case (including the money that it takes to house the prisoner afterwards).
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

That is partially correct. But what is not being accounted for is the long-term strain placed on prison facilities. When that factors in, execution is much more cost effective. That's the problem with the current system. It needs to be streemlined to accomodate execution more efficiently and accurately.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"But what is not being accounted for is the long-term strain placed on prison facilities"...which is almost completely being caused by the USA housing so many non-violent drug offenders, period.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

so you weigh whatever monetary savings (if any) over the life of someone found innocent after conviction (even if rare)?
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Oh yeah so our tax dollars pay for there asses to live in our prisons?No thanks our tax dollars are the ones feeding and bedding there asses
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Many, many people have already been exonerated AFTER being convicted of a capital crime. Just because the prosecution says that you are guilty doesn't make it so.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Those instances are EXTREMELY rare. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than being falsely convicted.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

You are WAY overstating your case here. There have been many people convicted of crimes that they didn't actually commit (including capital crimes).
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

As have there been many people struck by lightning. And compared to the ammount of falsly convicted people, the lightning strikes win by a longshot. It not an overstatement it's a FACT. look it up.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Look, your arguing with a meteorologist (not that you knew that until now). The odds of an average person living in the USA being struck by lightning in a given year is 1:700,000. In the USA, between 9-10% of those struck die...for an average of 40-50 deaths per year (there were 28 in 2008).According to The Innocence Project, a U.S. DOJ & Columbia Law School study estimates a 5% failure rate in the U.S. justice system, which suggests as many as 100,000 falsely convicted prisoners. Other reports place the estimate as high as 10% or 200,000 falsely convicted prisoners.http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/PyOGSDDCI1Q-innocence-project-wrongfully-convicted-man.aspx Give it up...
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

This is a notoriously sketchy study to begin with. Finding an exact percentage for the rate of falsely convicted prisoners is very difficult to do. Estimates range from 1% to 10%. I don't care where you got your information, there is no sure way to know.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"This is a notoriously sketchy study to begin with"...in your own, completely biased opinion that is."I don't care where you got your information, there is no sure way to know."Thanks for letting us know that the real facts of the issue at hand will ultimately mean nothing to you...so we're done here!
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

What I meant was that the chance of being wrongly convicted for a capital case is far less than the change of being struck by lightning.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

And you know this how? For us to know how likely this is, we'd have to know how many are wrongly convicted for capital cases. And if we knew that, then they wouldn't be convicted.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Occasionally (and very rarely mind you) evidence is found after a conviction that casts doubt on the convicting evidence, and the death row inmate (if he's still alive) may be exonerated with a retrial. The number of times this happens in a given year is less than the number of people who die of lightning strikes.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Occasionally (and very rarely mind you) evidence is ---->FOUND<--- after a conviction that casts doubt on the convicting evidenceKeyword here being: Found.This says nothing of total number of wrongful executions, it only speaks of those that are FOUND to be wrongful. What of those that were never found to be wrongful but were? Do you have a figure representing these cases?What is the ratio of wrongful executions that were found versus those that were not found?We don't know how many cases are not found, so it's impossible to say how likely or unlikely a wrongful execution is.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

This says nothing of total number of wrongful executions, it only speaks of those that are FOUND to be wrongful. What of those that were never found to be wrongful but were? Do you have a figure representing these cases?It all comes down to reasonable doubt. Most people who are executed have an enormous amount of evidence that indicates their guilt. But even if (for the sake of argument) every single person that was executed last year was innocent, the number still wouldn't be higher than the number of people struck by lightning.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Most people who are executed have an enormous amount of evidence that indicates their guilt.I would agreeBut even if (for the sake of argument) every single person that was executed last year was innocent, the number still wouldn't be higher than the number of people struck by lightning.This only shows that not many people are executed. Of those that are executed it does not show how rare a wrongful execution is. If every person executed was innocent, this would give us a 100% failure rate.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

This only shows that not many people are executed. Of those that are executed it does not show how rare a wrongful execution is. If every person executed was innocent, this would give us a 100% failure rate.Obviously not every person executed is innocent, I was using that for the sake of argument. My point is that capital crimes (and being executed) is not that common, so even if it did have a 100% failure rate, it would be incredibly rare for you or anyone you know to ever fall victim to it (like being stuck by lightning). And if the evidence stacks up beyond a reasonable doubt that a suspect is guilty, the chance that the state is killing an innocent person goes a lot lower than that.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

Obviously not every person executed is innocent, I was using that for the sake of argument.It still didn't bear out the point you were attempting to make.My point is that capital crimes (and being executed) is not that commonNo one has said otherwise. That wasn't the issue of contention.so even if it did have a 100% failure rate, it would be incredibly rare for you or anyone you know to ever fall victim to itWhether or not it personally affected me or anyone I knew, it would still render the miscarriage of justice a certainty.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

The exact rates really aren't that relevant to the debate. If even a small number--let's say 1%--are executed and were innocent, the capital punishment system has failed completely. Those are lives you can't get back. The solution is to give convicted murderers life in prison without possibility of release or parole, so then the punishment can be transmuted if sufficient evidence arises to prove the prisoner innocent.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

you are the one who said It not an overstatement it's a FACT. look it up. so where is your evidence then? now your saying there is no sure way to know
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

how many does there need to be to outweigh the difference between execution and life in prison?
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

just because someone is believed to have done something wrong doesnt mean that they are bad people who deserve to die...what if that happened to you? A person who happens to look like you rapes a woman and you are accused, u should die?
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

Some states (such as Texas) have streamlined their court system to more easily accommodate execution. the current plan has been in place for 7 years now and with over 10,000 executions, there hasn't been a single false conviction. Texas' system of capital punishment is less than a quarter the cost of housing a criminal for life. This is the way the justice system SHOULD work, however, year after, liberals in the government keep lobbying for measures that will make it harder and more expensive to execute. I for one don't feel like paying one cent of my tax dollars to go to keeping these people (if you can call them that) alive or pay a ridiculous fee to execute them. America should be streamlining it's justice system, not allowing the liberals to complicate it more.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"with over 10,000 executions, there hasn't been a single false conviction."LOL...TX has only legally executed 1,196 people my GOP friend. Also, Texas has executed persons who were, in fact, innocent. One notable case involves Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed by lethal injection on February 17, 2004 for murdering his three daughters in 1991 by arson, but where a 2009 article in The New Yorker, and subsequent findings, have cast doubt on the evidence used in his conviction. In 2009, a report conducted by Dr. Craig Beyler, hired by the Texas Forensic Science Commission to review the case, found that "a finding of arson could not be sustained". Beyler said that key testimony from a fire marshal at Willingham's trial was "hardly consistent with a scientific mind-set and is more characteristic of mystics or psychics.”BTW, once again, you've offered exactly ZERO evidence that anything that you claim is actually true.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

you have presented ONE case of false execution. Even if there has only been 1,196 people executed (which I find very unlikely) One false conviction does not justify your case. Give more referances.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Let 'em live

"you have presented ONE case of false execution."Wrong again, there have been many, many, many more cases that that:http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0921-08.htmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/national/12DEAT.htmlhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-rowhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/additional-innocence-information#Releasedhttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-possibly-innocenthttp://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/causes-wrongful-convictions"Even if there has only been 1,196 people executed (which I find very unlikely)"My numbers are correct GOPer...quit denying them!http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/prefurman/all.htmhttp://www.txexecutions.org/history.aspYou don't even appear to know the real reasons why TX has had so many executions:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ shows/execution/readings/texas.html LOL...why am I not surprised that you are undaunted by actual facts?? You've already stated above that the real facts of the matter will never change your mind on this issue. Give it up wing-nut...I'm DONE wasting my time with the ignorant likes of you.
Debate: Should America ban the death penalty?
Side: Hang 'em high!

"you have presented ONE case of false execution."Wrong again, there have been many, many, many more cases that that:OK, so even if all these people were executed incorrectly (which they weren't), it would still not even scratch the surface in terms of a danger to society. You're far more likely to be killed in a car crash than be falsely executed. Should we ban cars too? Secondly, I doubt the innocence of all of these "falsely convicted" inmates. Oftentimes, after many appeals and retrials, the defense will be able to plant a seed of "reasonable doubt" and a sympathetic jury will exonerate the suspect, even though his actual innocence remains very questionable."Even if there has only been 1,196 people executed (which I find very unlikely)"My numbers are correct GOPer...quit denying them!Your numbers don't go back to the Republic. That's what mine are based on.You don't even appear to know the real reasons why TX has had so many executions:Yeah the "real reasons". The first one says that judges are elected and want to appear tough on crime. Well of course they should! They're judges, they need to be tough on crime whether they are appointed or elected. It also said that judges don't seem to make scholarly or intellectual reports on their decisions. I find this to be a moot argument since 1) it is as left wing biased as Fox is right wing biased, and 2) it is a matter of interpretation, which allows the aforementioned bias to say whatever it's opinion is. The next point is "Texas does not have a public defender system for indigent defendants, and instead relies upon court-appointed lawyers who likely do not have experience in capital murder defenses or appeals." This is irrelevant when it is appealed to a Federal circuit court which often happens in a capital case. The third point is "Until the early 1990s, Texas did not permit jurors to adequately consider mitigating evidence in the sentencing phase of a trial. Thus, there are a number of people currently on death row that may well not be there had information about their mental illness or youth been weighed." They did this because such information would lead to a bias. Most Texans don't believe it should matter if you're a kid or insane. A crime is a crime, and exceptions only lead to unfairness.LOL...why am I not surprised that you are undaunted by actual facts?? You've already stated above that the real facts of the matter will never change your mind on this issue. Give it up wing-nut...I'm DONE wasting my time with the ignorant likes of you.Here you go again with the "real facts". I will agree that some people probably have been falsely executed. But it doesn't change the fact that it is far more accurate than inaccurate, and it serves it's purpose in ridding society of bad people. Everything else you've "proven" is mere conjecture or outright bias and opinion.