azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

The chronological mechanism of time still remains constant. You still logically have a while. That is not guaranteed. People die young all the time. And even those who live reasonably long lives can be led astray by circumstances beyond their control. And no matter what, it is disproportionate, 70 some odd years of activity simply does not warrant an eternity of suffering. If one could change their minds within that eternity, repent after a few years in hell or whatever, that would be more acceptable. But this proposed arrangement is barbaric. Given by sin you mean?Which brings up a whole new point to my argument that I was initially avoiding to keep us on track, but since it came up....that whole original sin thing is downright evil. Punishing beings for the faults of their ancestors, is absolutely ludicrous. If my great-great-great grandfather was a murderer, it does not follow that I will be one too, or anything remotely like it. We are innocent of a crime until we actually commit it, but God already closed the book on every human soul because the first two humans chowed on that apple. To make it worse, I understand that Eve wasn't even really trying to disobey God. She got conned by a trickster into thinking it would be okay. So they got punished not for being evil, but gullible. A level of gullibility God allowed them to have. And he, being omniscient knew they would do that. He put them right next to the tree, allowed the snake to con them...this is his sin. Umm, no.Umm yes. He would know better than anybody how faulty we are. Rather than trying to get us to improve ourselves or taking action to make it a little easier on us, or even making it undeniably clear that he and all the other supernatural constructs are real, he just lets us fumble on and lets us burn for eternity for not acknowledging his less than obvious existence. Horrible management strategy. Yet, that is not God himself. So it does not affect him.But it seems to upset him. It really would be beneficial if believing in God prevented a person from doing evil. There would be a lot less false idols and atheists running around. Oh sorry. I thought you meant that Atheists on jail go unheard.Heh, that's actually pretty funny, and I can see the misunderstanding. If that is what I meant, I would totally agree with you :)
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

That is not guaranteed. That is illogical. Time will flow at a constant rate. Regardless of one's actions. People die young all the timeThat is understood. Most people live beyond this though. If one could change their minds within that eternity, repent after a few years in hell or whatever, that would be more acceptableI agree. Sounds more logical. ..that whole original sin thing is downright evilWell I dont think its evil. But it is deceptive and manipulative.  this is his sin.Well technically its still ours. The sin wasn't in the fruit as you know. I agree though.It really would be beneficial if believing in God prevented a person from doing evil. There would be a lot less false idols and atheists running around.That isn't true love though. It's not letting them choose. Heh, that's actually pretty funny, and I can see the misunderstanding. If that is what I meant, I would totally agree with you :)Lol. I think many people would totes agree
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

For that first point I wasn't talking about the passage of time. I was talking about how nobody knows how much time they have. But you addressed that later. Indeed, we seem to be largely in rough agreement so I'll skip most of this.That isn't true love though. It's not letting them choose.You are choosing to believe in God in the first place. It would function in roughly the same way other choices do. Some of them have permanent consequences. This would be a permanent beneficial consequence, but you still have to make that choice.But there are other less drastic ways that could help. For instance make heaven and hell places that we could visit at least once in our lifetimes. To know that they are there for sure, to get a glimpse of what they would be like. I have a very hard time believing in things like heaven and hell, so they have no bearing on my choices. If I had experienced them first hand, and so had everyone else on the planet, it would be a lot easier for me and people like me to give credence to the Bible. To me THAT IS true love. Not just letting people make choices, but making it perfectly clear what the consequences of their actions could be. To say that its all there in the Bible doesn't do any good for the people who are never exposed to it, or to those like myself who find it to far-fetched and anachronistic to put faith in. Heck, even two different people who DO believe in the Bible can view it in two vastly different ways due to difference in interpretation.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

The sins are not temporary.Can you name one non temporary sin? If I steal eventually that comes to an end. If I murder eventually that comes to an end. Even the lamest sin of all, not believing eventually must stop once I have died and learned that God is real. Once someone is eternally punished how are they committing any sins? Do souls commit more sins when in hell?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Can you name one non temporary sin?No. That is why I said they aren't temporary.  If I steal eventually that comes to an end.The action itself ends. The sin remains eternal.  If I murder eventually that comes to an end. Even the lamest sin of all, not believing eventually must stop once I have died and learned that God is real.All those actions do end. The sin remains constant. It will determime your fate for eternity. Once someone is eternally punished how are they committing any sins?The action has ceased. However sin itself still exists. The marks of sin still exist.  Do souls commit more sins when in hell?Highly doubt.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

No. That is why I said they aren't temporary. You just said that all sins are temporary. Hehe, oops.The action itself ends. The sin remains eternal. That's a stupid way to look at it.All those actions do end. The sin remains constant. It will determime your fate for eternity.That is circular logic. You are saying it is eternal because you are punished eternally.The action has ceased. However sin itself still exists. The marks of sin still exist. The temporary actions are being considered eternal sins. Just because you repeat it doesn't make it any better.Highly doubt.So you do 1 thing bad and it haunts you for eternity, that's real fair.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

You just said that all sins are temporary. Hehe, oopsOkay? I never said that. So..... That's a stupid way to look at it.Okay. That is circular logic. You are saying it is eternal because you are punished eternally.Nope. The marks of sin are eternal. Sin itself will remain eternal sonce it fills the body and soul and the soul is eternal. The temporary actions are being considered eternal sinsIf I murder someone that judgment is forever upon me. That sin will always be with me unless I am cleansed from sin.  So you do 1 thing bad and it haunts you for eternity, that's real fairI don't think that is how it goes. You can always be forgiven (which you already are) and thus all you have to do is reach for paradise and escape from sin.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Okay? I never said that. So.....You did by accident, hence the hehe oops. I asked you if you could name a non temporary sin and you said no. Which means you don't think there are any that are non temporary and all are temporary.Nope. The marks of sin are eternal. Sin itself will remain eternal sonce it fills the body and soul and the soul is eternal.Blah blah blah, sin is eternal because sin is eternal. You are still talking about an eternal punishment for a temporary action.If I murder someone that judgment is forever upon me. That sin will always be with me unless I am cleansed from sin. You have only taken away someones temporary body. It is a temporary action that is being considered for a permanent punishment.I don't think that is how it goes. Why do you keep saying the opposite then.You can always be forgiven (which you already are) and thus all you have to do is reach for paradise and escape from sin.You don't actually believe that, so why should I think this is true?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

You did by accident, hence the hehe oops. I asked you if you could name a non temporary sin and you said no. Which means you don't think there are any that are non temporary and all are temporary.Okay.Blah blah blah, sin is eternal because sin is eternal. You are still talking about an eternal punishment for a temporary action.Very mature. Lack of recognition, perhaps? Totes un-fabu.You have only taken away someones temporary body. It is a temporary action that is being considered for a permanent punishment.Your soul controls the body. This isn't that hard to realize.Why do you keep saying the opposite then.Opposite of what you say? It's natural.You don't actually believe that, so why should I think this is true?Uhh, totes excuse me, but when did I say it was true? Anyways that is irrelevant.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Opposite of what you say? It's natural.Very mature. Lack of recognition perhaps?Uhh, totes excuse me, but when did I say it was true? Anyways that is irrelevant.I agree, you are wrong. I am glad we cleared that up.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Very mature. Lack of recognition perhaps?Okay. I am done.I agree, you are wrong. I am glad we cleared that up.Mkay. Cool. Never said that but whatevs. Goodbye.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Okay. I am done.Yeah, I gathered that from your previous "argument."Mkay. Cool. Never said that but whatevs. Goodbye.Hehe, you don't even understand what you say, how can you try to explain the Bible?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

The action of your sin may come to an end but its effect continues. The Holocaust came to an end about a century ago, yet remains potent upon pronunciation. Hypothetically speaking, if Hitler were around today would you say that since its been close to a hundred years since the Holocaust we should no longer make a big deal of it but allow Hitler to get on with his life and not be accountable? And what if Hitler showed up 200 years now? Slavery ended in the 1800s, yet its unjust effect has lingered in the African American community. Even though the actual generation that were victims of the practice of slavery have long passed on, those around today usually don't make light of the matter.If an evil deed continues to have a negative effect, its perpetrator should justly be held accountable.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

The action of your sin may come to an end but its effect continues. But, that still doesn't last forever.The Holocaust came to an end about a century ago, yet remains potent upon pronunciation. Hypothetically speaking, if Hitler were around today would you say that since its been close to a hundred years since the Holocaust we should no longer make a big deal of it but allow Hitler to get on with his life and be accountable? And what if Hitler showed up 200 years now? Your hypothetical is impossible and not worthy of discussing. If we lock him up in prison for 10,000 years and he survives, I would say let him go.Slavery ended in the 1800s, yet its unjust effect has lingered in the African American community. Even though the actual generation that were victims of the practice of slavery have long passed on, those around today usually don't make light of the matter.But, white people aren't punished for it.If an evil deed continues to have a negative effect, its perpetrator should justly be held accountable.How many people go to hell without having done anything that has a lingering affect? If someone commits sin should they only be in hell for as long as anyone living remembers their sin? I could get behind that policy.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"Your hypothetical is impossible and not worthy of discussing."It's not impossible on the premise that Hitler has a soul, and that the soul is the individual and survives death, and that the souls of his victims would have also survived the holocaust. On that premise, the evil is eternal."If we lock him up in prison for 10,000 years and he survives, I would say let him go."The Holocaust will continue to be an evil crime against the Jews past 10,000 years, and suggesting that Hitler may be set free after 10,000 years is insensitive and unjust to the weight of the crime that Hitler committed. "But, white people aren't punished for it."Exactly! Whites are not punished because in general Whites today don't think like their fathers who practiced slavery. White America has gone to some extent to remedy the evils of slavery, starting with the terrible civil war that was waged to free the slaves, which the Bible calls repentance. When we commit evils and we make reasonable effort to remedy the effects of what we have done, then we have changed. Whites have generally changed on the matter of slavery, many even voting for then Senator Obama, and re electing President Obama to a second term. "How many people go to hell without having done anything that has a lingering affect?"But their actions have an eternal effect if we believe they are souls. You have to keep the apples from the oranges. If we are talking about hell, then we are talking about souls, and if we are talking about souls, then we saying that things are not temporal but eternal in consequence.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

It's not impossible on the premise that Hitler has a soul, and that the soul is the individual and survives death, and that the souls of his victims would have also survived the holocaust. On that premise, the evil is eternal.There is no way to verify it is his soul. Plus, reincarnation is not part of your mythology.The Holocaust will continue to be an evil crime against the Jews past 10,000 years, and suggesting that Hitler may be set free after 10,000 years is insensitive and unjust to the weight of the crime that Hitler committed. You don't even think the world is 10,000 years old, how can you possibly fathom what it will be like that long into the future?Exactly! Whites are not punished because in general Whites today don't think like their fathers who practiced slavery. White America has gone to some extent to remedy the evils of slavery, starting with the terrible civil war that was waged to free the slaves, which the Bible calls repentance. So, you are agreeing that sin should not be eternal.When we commit evils and we make reasonable effort to remedy the effects of what we have done, then we have changed. Whites have generally changed on the matter of slavery, many even voting for then Senator Obama, and re electing President Obama to a second term. Sending someone to hell will not allow for someone to remedy the situation.But their actions have an eternal effect if we believe they are souls. You have to keep the apples from the oranges. If we are talking about hell, then we are talking about souls, and if we are talking about souls, then we saying that things are not temporal but eternal in consequence.Will you please make up your mind. Do souls get punished forever or do they come back to Earth? Why does the person who disrespected their parents get the same eternal punishment as the man responsible for killing millions of Jews?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Dude, you cannot say there isn't a soul then seek justification to an eternal fire. If we are speaking in terms of eternity, we must go all the way or not go there at all.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

I didn't argue there weren't souls. You are arguing that the soul's temporary time on Earth has eternal ramifications and arguing against me saying the same thing.You have failed to point out why the eternal soul should be punished forever while also arguing that the soul should be allowed to repent.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"I didn't argue there weren't souls."You said we can't verify that a soul exists. Make up your mind so that we can have a conversation. Stop moving the post.If you want to talk about eternal justice, we must first establish the premise of the soul. If we establish the premise of the soul, the deeds of the soul would have eternal consequences.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

You said we can't verify that a soul exists. Make up your mind so that we can have a conversation. Stop moving the post.I was saying we can't verify that it is Hitler's soul, not that souls at all exist. Why can't I argue that souls don't exist and that's why we don't have eternal punishment? What does stop moving the post mean?If you want to talk about eternal justice, we must first establish the premise of the soul. If we establish the premise of the soul, the deeds of the soul would have eternal consequences.The existence of souls does not force there to be eternal torment. If you permanently destroyed a soul than that's one thing, but doing something to the temporary realm is another. Saying that a soul holds on to its actions from the temporary world does not mean that it is great that God punishes for that forever.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"If you permanently destroyed a soul than that's one thing, but doing something to the temporary realm is another."There is actually a teaching on the complex subject of the afterlife called annihilationism, which is where I lean toward. In the teaching, all wicked people are destroyed, and the context of forever is in that the effect is permanent.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

I hope we don't use the Bible's version of wicked because that would be terrible.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"You don't even think the world is 10,000 years old, how can you possibly fathom what it will be like that long into the future?"That is a "straw man." You think every Christian believes the world is 6000 years old? No. Many don't believe the world is 6000 years old.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Saying that it is a strawman is just dodging the argument. You have no idea what the world will be like in 10,000 years.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"So, you are agreeing that sin should not be eternal."The effect of sin is eternal, but their is hope in repentance, the grace of Jesus Christ, and doing good works.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

So, even if all the people you wronged still remember all the bad stuff you did, as long as you repent to God, everything is ok?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"So, even if all the people you wronged still remember all the bad stuff you did, as long as you repent to God, everything is ok?"You are putting words in my mouth. I never said everything is okay, but that reparation was the necessary in owning up to an evil consequence upon repentance. Returning to the example of slavery, I said, that Whites today generally don't think like their prejudiced fathers is an example of what repentance means. And that Whites have generally stood by Blacks in making sure the enjoy the same civil rights that Whites do is an effort in reparation. It doesn't negate the evil of slavery but remedies for the evil effect of it.Newton who wrote "Amazing Grace" did so out from remorse from being a slave trader. He turned from his ways and encouraged the abolition of slavery. Does that take away from what he did to the slaves while he was a trader? No. But his sincere actions must also be taken into consideration, that he realized and did his best to change and address that evil.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said everything is okay, but that reparation was the necessary in owning up to an evil consequence upon repentance. So, you must be saying that the only repentance that works is toward the people you have wronged and God has nothing to do with it.Returning to the example of slavery, I said, that Whites today generally don't think like their prejudiced fathers is an example of what repentance means. And that Whites have generally stood by Blacks in making sure the enjoy the same civil rights that Whites do is an effort in reparation. It doesn't negate the evil of slavery but remedies for the evil effect of it.This example is a perfect illustration of how God does not punish people. The "Whites" have repented toward those that were enslaved and God has nothing to do with it.Newton who wrote "Amazing Grace" did so out from remorse from being a slave trader. He turned from his ways and encouraged the abolition of slavery. Does that take away from what he did to the slaves while he was a trader? No. But his sincere actions must also be taken into consideration, that he realized and did his best to change and address that evil.Ok, so still no God then.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"So, you must be saying that the only repentance that works is toward the people you have wronged and God has nothing to do with it."Well, the Bible says the all of morality is summed up loving others in the same way that we love ourselves."The "Whites" have repented toward those that were enslaved and God has nothing to do with it."Actually God had plenty to do with it in that abolitionism had Christian influences. And Newton converting to compose "Amazing Grace" shows that Christian influence.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Well, the Bible says the all of morality is summed up loving others in the same way that we love ourselves.The Bible also says burn in hell if you don't believe in God. What does that have to do with loving others?Actually God had plenty to do with it in that abolitionism had Christian influences. And Newton converting to compose "Amazing Grace" shows that Christian influence.The repenting that makes things ok doesn't involve a belief in God. Christianity had nothing to do with abolitionism, they were Christians before they took slaves.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"The Bible also says burn in hell if you don't believe in God. What does that have to do with loving others?"Common man, the Bible doesn't say that. If you want to have a sensible conversation, don't misquote or misrepresent the Bible."Christianity had nothing to do with abolitionism, they were Christians before they took slaves."Christianity had no influence on ending slavery?" Common man, do the research before you say something that stupid.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Common man, the Bible doesn't say that. If you want to have a sensible conversation, don't misquote or misrepresent the Bible.Sweet, so you are saying that not accepting Jesus as your personal savior is no longer a sin. Great. So there is no reason to be a Christian.Christianity had no influence on ending slavery?" Common man, do the research before you say something that stupid.Yes, how could Christianity have any bearing on ending slavery if the slave owners were Christian while keeping slaves?Calling someone common and not addressing their argument doesn't make you look any better.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Yes, how could Christianity have any bearing on ending slavery if the slave owners were Christian while keeping slaves?Okay, by that reasoning, because Stalin and Mau killed millions of people, atheism killed millions of people. Therefore, atheists cannot be good people, since atheists like Stalin and Mau killed millions of people. See how your logic adds up?