azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

What part of this do you not understand? "Big govt" does not equal "Socialism". Socialism is an economic policy, not a measure of government size.And yes... "Big Govt" doesn't mean anything. It's just a catchphrase. And yes, education spending and corporate tax breaks and national budget management are indeed functions the government performs! Congratulations! They're not "socialist" functions however.If you want an example of a socialist government program refer to the U.K. national health service. Or the Canadian health insurance (NOT health CARE) system. Or for that matter... the American Medicare system. One very VERY isolated example of a U.S. program that actually does venture into socialism although it does so incompetently.A person who clearly doesn't even understand the meaning of the words they are using lecturing me on being "very undereducated" about the subject we're discussing is an extremely amusing development I must say.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

So if we had a small govt we would not be in 14 trilion dollar debt..correct! Thats why i said that "Big govt FALLS UNDER SOCIALISM" No lets not go to canada or the U.k lets go somewhere that has extreme socialist policies like IRAQ OR CHINA and tell me this yes or no are there people happy with there govt are they really? Why do people come to America for freedom? BECAUSE CAPITALISM MADE THAT POSSIBLE! Our four fathers were NOT SCOCIALIST THEY WERE CAPTIALISTS LEAVING THE SOCIALIST WAY OF LIFE IN EUROPE,What part of THAT didn't you understand? I never said you judge a govt by its size i said socialism 10 to 1 has everything to do with big govt, apparently your not reading everything im typing? "Those are not socialist functions" Well they are when the govt is dong it all. Why didn't the state of michigan give the taxpayer bailout with a vote of the people wheather they are aloud to do so? THAT IS A PURE EXAMPLE OF SOCIALISM. When did i say budget management? I said a 14 trillion dollar debt how is that managing the budget? EXPLAIN that for me since im the undereduated one who uses little facts for there argument and uses socialism like its freedom? O wait thats you! Big government is just a catchphrase? Our govt was designed to control the nations spending (which they have failed to do), protect the people by deployng the military when needed, and to protect the values and the constitution of the constitution itself. Where does it say that the govt can regulate you and tax you to the point where you can't run your business or truly be free? 99 times out of 100 big govt equals socialism. DUDE you don't know what your talking about that is the truly amusing thing, you really believe what your saying is correct when the fact of the matter is that it is very incorrect.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

So if we had a small govt we would not be in 14 trilion dollar debt..correct! No, not correct. Since the size of government also doesn't determine the ratio of it's revenue to outlays... which is what determines debt levels. No lets not go to canada or the U.k lets go somewhere that has extreme socialist policies like IRAQ OR CHINAThis is simply yet another demonstration that you don't even know what socialism means. Which is making this entire discussion pointless. It's like arguing the finer points of Shakespeare with someone who doesn't know how to read...Our four fathers were NOT SCOCIALIST THEY WERE CAPTIALISTS LEAVING THE SOCIALIST WAY OF LIFE IN EUROPE,What part of THAT didn't you understand?No part of it... since we're not even discussing that. What part of that do YOU not understand?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, When the govt is big it has a big desire to spend did you not look at ours lately? OK explain to me how discussing extreme socialist policies in Iraq or China shows I don't know what socialism is. Didn't you understand my point for posting that about our four fathers? We werent discussing THAT congrats but I was trying to show an UNDEREDUCATED RETARD like you that if our four fathers came to get away from socialism then WHY WOULD IT WORK FOR AMERICA? Why would be turn to socialist policies if the founding of our country was met to eliminate the socialist way of life? Since you argued with 0 facts in your last arguement I would just stop now if I were you, you know you lost a long time ago. Cause I can argue just as long as you presenting more facts than you because I am correct and YOU are not. "It's like arguing the finer points of shakespeare with someone who doesn't know how to read..." You just proved my point with that statement. Im not saying that canada or the U.K aren't socialist im saying they don't have EXTREME SOCIALIST POLICIES. Until you can put a true fact based arguement I would just stop. Capitalism is the way to go for a free country like America.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

So your educated? Good job maybe next year you can move to a 4th grade education.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Of course they are better at different things. Capitalism works for those who work, Socialism works for those who don't.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

You do realize that employment depends on more than just effort, but also on numerous other factors?Further more, you do realize that some jobs don't pay enough to allow for even a full-time worker to earn a decent living?7.25 X 40 X 4 = 1160 A month to live on, if you don't have kids its barely doable in some areas.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism Sucks

Capitalism sucks.You suck to, churchmouse.Thank you for pronouncing your ignorance again by making an obviously biased debate. Capitalism is partially the reason for our current recession, because giant, fat corporate fuckers thought it would be fun to RAPE THE STOCK MARKET by taking a bunch of unnecessary risks that would allow them to acquire more money that they will never use. You think capitalism gives people rewards? That it just up and gives people rewards? Bullshit. My senior citizen father has worked all his life and nearly to death over and over again. He made a few mistakes like any other person, but he still did nothing but work. He still hasn't been able to retire. Why? Because a giant capitalist corporation has enslaved him. That's some reward, huh? Enslavement. The only reward he's gotten is Social Security, which most can agree is a SOCIALIST CONCEPT. Now, start arguing in that ignorant Republican way when you have no hope of winning, please. I will wipe the floor with you for acting like capitalism is amazing and perfect and socialism kills women and children by just existing.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"Capitalism sucks"Disagree."You suck to, churchmouse."Totally agree."Capitalism is partially the reason for our current recession, because giant, fat corporate fuckers thought it would be fun to RAPE THE STOCK MARKET by taking a bunch of unnecessary risks that would allow them to acquire more money that they will never use."That would be accurate..........if we were an actual capitalist state. We are not. We have a Frankenstein of a system in place that hasn't yet made up its mind of where it stands. We present ourselves as a capitalist state, but capitalism is just like communism in that it has never had a chance to to be used in it's original state. Capitalism isn't to blame for the recession, ill planning and care of the economy is to blame. "Because a giant capitalist corporation has enslaved him."You list a seemingly sad story, but fail to mention the exact problem he faces with retirement. We can't give sympathy without details." which most can agree is a SOCIALIST CONCEPT."Debatable, but whether or not it is is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it is a harm to the economy when not privatized(which isn't a socialist concept)." I will wipe the floor with you for acting like capitalism is amazing and perfect and socialism kills women and children by just existing."I will agree again that churchmouse has no ground for going to these areas of thought.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism Sucks

Very well, then I will instead refer to it all as 'corporatism' since it's not actually real capitalism. That doesn't make it suck any less, corporatism. In fact, I'm pretty sure it sucks even more now. Ah yes, I did fail to say that, which is where I will add thus: credit. No, he did not fuck up in his credit. He was an honest man of credit who used it only when needed and always paid the bills a long time in advance. But nearing the recession, credit card companies made their interest rates go up overnight on just about anyone, even responsible people like my dad was.Literally, I shit you not, his interest rate shot through the roof overnight while he was sleeping. And the next day, he was billed by some sort of humongous late fee.Since he was enslaved to a giant corporation that didn't pay him nearly enough, he had to bed his Union to give him a small paying job on the side. It didn't work. He couldn't pay the outrageous fees over and over again, and now he's in serious debt to a giant credit company he owes nothing to.Also, he's enslaved to a giant company that has eliminated all of it's local competition, making his ability to get a different job nonexistent. So, he may have to work up for 5 or 10 more years in his senor citizenry in an abusive job before he finish paying the debt and have enough money to retire.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"corporatism"That works." That doesn't make it suck any less, corporatism. In fact, I'm pretty sure it sucks even more now."I agree, the system we have now has its issues."where I will add thus: credit. No, he did not fuck up in his credit."Hmmmm credit. Ranging from awesome to fuck over."He was an honest man of credit who used it only when needed and always paid the bills a long time in advance. But nearing the recession, credit card companies made their interest rates go up overnight on just about anyone, even responsible people like my dad was."That sucks. That is the result of people in charge thinking with their money rolls, not their head. Bad business. However in a true capitalist state a company that takes such action would die off almost immediately since it wouldn't be held up by the government. "Literally, I shit you not, his interest rate shot through the roof overnight while he was sleeping."Higher interest rate's? Sounds like a republican's doing."And the next day, he was billed by some sort of humongous late fee."A late fee? Was he actually late?"Since he was enslaved to a giant corporation that didn't pay him nearly enough, he had to bed his Union to give him a small paying job on the side. It didn't work"In my opinion Unions are becoming just as bad as what they were made to stop."He couldn't pay the outrageous fees over and over again, and now he's in serious debt to a giant credit company he owes nothing to."And such asswholes are defended by the government when instead they should out of commission. "he's enslaved to a giant company that has eliminated all of it's local competition"That also normally wouldn't happen in a true capitalist state, which would be dependent on local.All in all it just goes to show our system an be fucked up.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism rewards

Socialism is nothing but slave-labor.No one but the person doing the work should benefit from his efforts: everyone has the right to that which is his, he earned it.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"Socialism is nothing but slave-labor."Far from it. Socialism is a very fair and just form of society. The only problem with it is that it requires a form of human thought that simply doesn't exist in order for the system to work in its intended way. "but the person doing the work should benefit from his efforts"You misunderstand the system of product in socialism. Socialism is a form of money distribution that involves taxes and increased benefits. Money earned from labor is more or less unaffected. You seem to be referring to communism, as capitalism and communism are the systems that deal with labor.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Of course that's what you want to believe, that our system is better then socialism and that our system doesn't enslave people like what you think socialism does.Here's the real picture: Real socialism doesn't enslave people. Our system does enslave people. I'm hoping to your God that Libertarian was correct when he said that we don't have real capitalism, because I don't want something so glorified to be THIS bad.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism allows people to fail. So that the good business men , smart stock holders, good corporations,and good employees win. And Thats good because then there's no idiots in the system. Like you Chatturgha.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Our corporatism allows for only the reckless, sinister, and dishonorable succeed. There are no exceptions. The rich in our system always ruin people's lives to get to the top. This is okay up until a certain point, because up until a certain point, natural selection is acceptable for businesses.But in our system, people not only have the ability to fail, they have the ability to succeed more and continue to rape the less lucky and more morally naive of everything they know and love. Like you. Someone who is so eloquently brainwashed into thinking corporatism is perfect that you will likely either be raped or be the rapist. Nice choice, isn't it?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

And in the socialist system dumb, edits, reckless, and sinister win. Socialism also allows government to rape the markets with tax's.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Right, because you've lived in a socialist country before and have seen with your own eyes the pain and suffering it causes.Oh, wait.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

You're sole point would appear to be that having power makes you evil, but you cannot assemble a socialist government without giving it even more power than corporations over your country. Assuming that power does indeed corrupt people and that governments are comprised of people, then logically a socialist government is by it's vary nature evil, as it cannot exist without having a vast amount of power.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Actually dumbass that shows you how stupid you and your grandfather were, who forced him to work there? and why didn't he quit his job and get a different one where he could retire? Are you retarded? Look at my arguement with (gcomeau) above your comment and read the whole damn thing that should save me some time with you.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Actually dipshit, that shows how stupid you are for not writing an argument specifically tailored to combat me. I'm not going to go looking for some shit you wrote. Whoever I am, I'm not the other person you were arguing with, so don't be a lazy twat and just write a real argument against me. I do it all the time, since I'm not so narcissistic as to expect people I insult to go looking for my previous arguments with other people they aren't related to.Father, not grandfather.Who forced him? The corporation. I know you like to believe that our system of corporatism allows for freedom, but ever since the first robber barons first came into existence, all of that potential for freedom vanished. There is no freedom under corporate fascism; not when giant companies can sneeze in the general direction of a small town and instantly rape it of all it's well-being.He didn't quit his job because he couldn't. There was no other establishment that would hire a senior citizen of his veteran skill for a pay that would allow him to support my mother after me and my brother grew up. That's because there are no longer any small businesses wealthy enough to pay him a salary he needs since all of the businesses were raped nearly to death by corporations.Simply, because of corporatism, he has no choice to but to keep his job. He has no other options, and he had even less options then that once the recession started.Now, once again, I will politely tell you to go fuck yourself. If you think you can argue with me AND use insults, you will at least do it respectfully and do some writing. If you can't do that, then you're a lazy, arrogant coward.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

This is a free country asshole nothing absolutely nothing held your father back from quitting his job,why didn't he start his own business? huh tell me that? The corporation just strongly suggested that he stay with the company. "He didn't quit his job because he couldn't." Bullshit if he was so experienced why didn't he start a business himself? It's a pure example of being a dumbass, unless it was the military keeping him thats different but no business's can force their worker's to stay simple as that. Im not here to insult you or your father but it's kinda showing how the both of you are dumbasses there are other options but im sure he was so stuck in his own train of thought that he didn't know there was. Did he ever think other than staying there all his life why didn't he launch his own business why he was still working there , and once his small business got strong enough to pay the salary he desires then he CAN quit his job. Now I know your going to give me another bullshit arguement but you and your father must remember this is AMERICA if he didn't like big corporations why did he start there in the first place? Couldn't he ask for a promotion or a raise? Im going to respectfully ask you to tell me why capitalism sucks? This is beside our previous arguement. Im not going to tell you to go "fuck yourself" but i am asking you to admire other options now your right he couldn't leave the corporation but if it was so bad he could admire other options. Im tired of arguing with people who really don't know what they are talking about (im not targeting you on that). And I appriciate the fact that you have the balls to tell me how it is but "some shit you wrote" well it's not shit it's facts and maybe it's not related to this arguement it explains how capitalism works instead of redistributing what I already said you can just scroll up and read it then we can take off from there. I wrote my arguement you just need to look at it. Now im not so stupid because i got my "lazy arrogant coward" ass and wrote something because i got on this website to write 2 sentences for everything uhh no. We can argue like children and call each other names or we can argue with each other like adults and argue with facts? Its your choice we can contine arguing like children. Im willing to be civil and agree to disagree. When did I say I believe that "our system of corporatism allows for freedom.." When did I type that? Now this is "some writing" read it.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

This is a free country it is and thats not necessarily fascism its more socialism and im sorry your too brainwashed to see this.If all the competition was destroyed then why didn't he move? There are options I agree big government is a terrible thing but I can imagine there are other options, why didn't your mother get a job also?When you say a responible customer you mean?.. Credit card companys just don't "rape" bank accounts for no reason so that part is not adding up?Again I go back to why didn't he leave the area or why did your mother not get a job?If he can have a credit card then why can't he take a loan out? You socialist types usually would think that spending more money would help debt.If he was smarter than me then why didn't he excell in any of the options listed above it's not completly impossible. And btw IM STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL and I can keep up with you..? Soo?So if I worked at McDonalds (which I don't) they could physically keep me there? Bullshit.Explain to me how IM the ignoramus or a hypocrite? Like id watch cnn,cnbc,msnbc,nbc they are better? again, bullshit.When i get enslaved by corporatism? IM not the "person" who stayed with a freakin company for so many years and didn't even attempt to make a change? And IM going to get enslaved by it?..Bullshit.But loans can be a temporary fix until you can excell in a personal business.Yes im a hick not a redneck, two different things btw. Well this hick seems to be telling you off?Ok if your GRANDFATHER started there in 1903 by did you neglect telling that in your main argument.Wow im suprised that you can tell me that there were 0 jobs that would fulfill his salary in that area at all? Wow.This country is capitalist it is i can promise you that we are just using socialist policies.Did I once say I was better than you? Once? Everybody is equal other than fags. Congrats you are both my seniors but your the first ive met with 0 wisdom.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA im not going to sit here and tell you that corpratism doesn't suck because it does but corps do produce jobs and wheather most of us like it or not it puts food on the table.If your father was not willing to follow other options then he should have just grew a set of nuts, manned up and delt with it the best he could. And you have no right to tell me what I can and can't say on here. And im not cheap and I don't appriciate that expectation therefore your telling me your better than me? I can be civil but you have to admire the options America provides.