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Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

I'm well aware of what Wikipedia says regarding guns and gun ownership and the sarcasm is also noted if it feels good for you well go for it :) Yes it is a question of whether guns are beneficial for society or if they are not ; the sugar milk chocolate defence is ludicrous and I think you know that . As I've said before legal gun ownership in most countries is down to people owning guns for hunting and sports , most countries do in fact ban the carrying of hand guns a fact you neatly sidestep .You're incorrect yet again legal gun ownership,in America is indeed responsible for a fair amount of deaths through accident , suicide and children accidentally getting their hands on guns .The figures are quiet shocking for these categories alone or maybe you want some stats if so just ask .Ah so culture is the problem as guns are not the source of the trouble , really ? So what about the accidental deaths , suicides , or children getting their hands on guns ? Rather strange assessment you have of the Australian model please tell me how the police took guns back at gunpoint if they didn't know who held guns ? As far as I know people holding guns illegally do not broadcast this information to the police .Your last point proves what ? I think you may be right to leave it there :)
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

You already had a rebuttal how many do you want ?Re -read what I said in my previous post about worldwide gun ownership as you seem to ignore what suits you .Wrong again this debate is about gun ownership in the US this is you re - phrasing the question to force your point .Again you say my point is moot so failing to address legitimate opposition to your view hurts your argument .There may be so many easy ways to accomplish suicide but a gun is the easy option making it a gun issue which you're merely trying to avoid ; no we shouldn't focus on the real issues in the home as the debate is about guns so using your logic this makes yetvanother of your points moot .And sadly you finish with yet another list to support a very weak argument .Swimming pools deaths are again not the topic of debate fascinating and all as it is , you also fail to mention injuries by guns and also how do you know people will find another way to commit suicide ? I actually talked about school shootings as well as mass shootings so is that really your defence ?If a country has a higher level of mass or school shootings guns should not be banned in the US ?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Why ? When you totally ignore or avoid answering what I've said on this matter ?No , the debate concerns the banning of firearms in the US ...Ok , stick to the question as asked then failing to do so hurts your argument .Suicide by gun is indeed a gun issue or are you missing something here ?Hint : it's by gun making it a gun issue .No we shouldn't focus on the 'real issues ' in the home as you constantly keep saying it's about guns American society ... remember ?The list is meaningless remember what the debate actually asks ?You thought I may be able to read a table ? If you claim you may have been wrong why post it up ?I thought you might be able to comprehend what the question asked but I was wrong as you seem to think yet again it's about where the US ranks in a list whys that ?I will print up this list for you and am hoping you can read it if not get an adult to assist you and I do because you're so fond of lists :) Guardian news How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put togetherSimone Foxman December 14, 2012The US has as many school killings with multiple deaths as 36 other countries combinedA mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, has—as of the most recent police statements—resulted in the deaths of 27 people, including the gunman. Twenty of those victims were children.The Academy for Critical Incident Analysis at John Jay College has collected data, compiled from news reports, on 294 attempted or actual multiple killings on school grounds that had two or more victims. The data span 38 countries and nearly 250 years, from 1764 to 2010, and do not include “single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants.”We tried to limit any effects of possible underreporting of cases by limiting the data set to the most recent ten years of data, between 2000 and 2010, and by counting only incidents in which someone was injured or killed. (Limiting the data to 2000 or after also eliminated one country that no longer exists: Austria-Hungary.)The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

As I suspected you're just another pig ignorant gun toting halfwit ; everything you've typed so far displays the ramblings of a crack addled dimwit called Amarel ....go fuck yourself retard
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

Why should the use of guns be prohibited in America? Because Dermot can insult Amarel...
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

No , I merely told the truth you bragged yesterday about going shopping carrying a weapon ( gun toting ) for self protection and somehow think this is something deserves admiration ; you then went on to display the intellectual level of a retard so in actual fact I'm probably doing retards a disservice :)Incidentally If your tactic in addressing points I raise is hurling insults then that's what you get back you retard .
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

I merely told the truth you bragged yesterday about going shopping carrying a weaponWould it make a difference if I am a cop?If your tactic in addressing points I raise is hurling insults then that's what you get back you retardAnyone who can thoroughly comprehend what they read (this likely excludes you) can see that I address your points with insults AND counter-points. You are heavy on the insults and absent on the counter-points.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

No that makes it more scary as you've demonstrated a total lack of control by ' firing ' off the first insults .Ah I see insults and counter points and they let people like you wear a uniform and carry a gun ... Again you display your brute ignorance by claiming I was heavy on the insults when you laced a thread with insult before I resorted to your low tactic ; my absent counter - points certainly upset you as you're clearly upset .... go for a beer ...or something :)
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

I didn't say I am a cop, I asked if it would make a difference to make a point. It wouldn't matter to you how much training and familiarity I have, it's still a problem because of how you feel about guns. If I were a cop (something that should make carrying a gun rather appropriate), you think it would be even worse because of how you feel about me. My point is that your opinion is driven by your feelings.Would it make a difference if I were a professor? No. You would still feel that I am a knuckle dragger. You would still feel that I am too dumb to responsibly handle a firearm. That's why you didn't address any of the point made around the fact that I carry. Only that I carry, and that it is bad.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

If you were a cop makes no difference , the majority of our police force here do not carry guns and I've spent time in the states and an armed cop,is totally alien to me . My opinion is driven by feelings towards people carrying a lethal weapon in public what's unusual about that ? If you were a professor I would feel exactly the same way so your point is ?Whether you are responsible or not cannot be measured your police force have claimed the same yet now and then do the complete opposite to what they claim
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

The point is that your entire argument is based on emotion rather than reason. It's worse because, as you've just said, it's emotion based on something that you have no practical experience with. Ignorance breeds fear. what's more, you are willing to argue for laws concerning things you have no knowledge of for people who do have knowledge.The point about the professor is the same. You don't care what my knowledge, skill, or level of intelligence is. You only feel that guns are bad and so I must be bad or stupid to carry one.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Yes you must be right that's the reason people here including cops don't carry guns , because the decision is based on emotion .You say I've no practical experience with guns and you base this on what ? Ignorance breeds fear indeed , knowledge also leads to awareness something you seem to lack as you've been brought up in a gun mad culture ; I've seen both sides .No wrong again , a fair proportion of your people have no knowledge when it comes to the implications of guns in society as they continuiosly look for scapegoats to blame when yet another school shooting , rampage killing or a fucked up cop shooting yet another innocent human happens ...... But the usual ridiculous mantra is trotted out by gun nuts who collectively chant ' guns don't kill people , people kill people ' Yeah right :)
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

Yes you must be right that's the reason people here including cops don't carry guns , because the decision is based on emotionI haven’t even implied that your emotional basis for argumentation against American gun ownership affected Ireland’s gun laws.Ignorance breeds fear indeed , knowledge also leads to awareness something you seem to lack as you've been brought up in a gun mad culture ; I've seen both sidesSpending time in the US is not the same as seeing both sides. You acknowledged that seeing a cop with a gun is alien to you. This is indicative of your ignorance that I refer to. Now you claim knowledge, but since you haven’t displayed any, I remain skeptical. You say that I have been brought up in a gun mad culture as if this dubious description would disqualify my opinion concerning guns. You seem to think that coming up in a relatively gun free culture in a tiny country automatically qualifies your opinion about guns in a foreign culture of a huge country. a fair proportion of your people have no knowledge when it comes to the implications of guns in society as they continuiosly look for scapegoats to blame when yet another school shooting , rampage killing or a fucked up cop shooting yet another innocent human happens1.School shootings happen in gun free societies. 2. So do rampage killings. 3. Cops almost never shoot innocent people as case after case has shown when the smoke clears.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

I know you didn't but you also assumed I had no knowledge of guns or experience with them .Not seeing a cop with a gun is not ignorance you really need to look at the definition of terms before replying , spending time in the US is indeed seeing both sides why would you think not as I've American friends on both sides of the fence regarding guns .I hadn't displayed any knowledge of guns , true , neither have you as we haven't talk about the finer points of guns or different types etc etc , did you want to ? Yes your culture is gun mad and and Tell me is it only Americans can speak of guns in their country ?Americans seem to think growing up in a large country gives them a right to dictate foreign policy in a fair amount of foreign countries so how's that different ? But we are talking about the US I thought ?Cops almost never shoot innocent people , really ? They still shoot some don't they ?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

spending time in the US is indeed seeing both sidesIf I were to visit Saudi Arabia, I could not then claim to understand Muslim culture from the outside and the inside. If, after visiting, the call to prayer was something I had never witnessed, then I would have visited but remained almost completely ignorant of Saudi Muslim culture. Yes your culture is gun mad and and Tell me is it only Americans can speak of guns in their country ?I would not assert that the person who grew up in "Muslim mad" Saudi Arabia somehow lacks insight into the effects of Islam on a society. I would however, recognize that his insights may hold more weight than mine given his immersion in a social phenomenon that I am relatively distant from. Americans seem to think growing up in a large country gives them a right to dictate foreign policy in a fair amount of foreign countries so how's that different ?Managing the affairs of a large country and sharing physical borders with other countries would be quite different than managing the affairs of an island the size of Maine. One cannot reasonably assume that what works for Ireland will thus work for the US. And that only accounts for geographic differences, let alone cultural/societal/historical differences.But we are talking about the US I thought ?Cops almost never shoot innocent people , really ?They still shoot some don't they ?We are talking about the US. But if your argument is that guns should be banned because of X, but X occurs in places where guns are banned, then your logic is flawed.Yes, cops almost never shoot innocent people. Yes, almost never is not the same as never. Airplanes almost never crash, it's a rare event. When it happens it's tragic, but it almost never happens. Now that you've nitpicked the superficial aspects of what I have said, care to debate the points that are actually relevant to the subject?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

What a jump from an English speaking nation to one with a totally different language culture and customs , I don't buy it .If your insights hold more weight as you say that's merely your opinion , how do they hold more weight ?No , my argument is guns should be banned in the US because guns are lethal weapons and that's it , I thought I made my position quiet clear as to the whys
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

My insights hold more weight because of the validity of my arguments. I'm able to make valid arguments because of my insight. I can only assume your lack of insight is the reason you can't address any point I make. When I said I carry, I made a number of points surrounding that circumstance. Rather than argue against points, you saw that I carry and found cause to hurl insults. This is the way emotionalism typically expresses in debate. It makes you feel better, but it wins no arguments.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

I addressed every point you made because you fail to comprehend what I wrote may be due to a lack of .... insight on your part .Again the first tirade of insults which were quiet nasty came from you so thank you for admitting you resorted to emotionalism first and felt the need to express yourself that way ( please re -read your initial and first emotional outburst ) It obviously made you get upset and yes it did not help you win any arguments..... good effort no cigar :)
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

I insulted you to push your squishy little buttons. It's effective on people with emotional arguments because it further degrades their already limited faculties. You haven't made points that I have. It addressed. I went back and made sure. Even so, we can take it one step at a time.guns should be banned in the US because guns are lethal weapons and that's itThis position applies equally to martial arts and the military, no?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Amazing , you accuse me of getting emotional because I insulted you yet you were the one who resorted to insults first and that make you what ? I have limited faculties ? there you go again and you wonder why I object to fuckwits like you carrying a gun .You went back to check if I made points and made sure aaah ....that's so touching now go back and try again :) Martial arts are lethal weapons ???  I thought martial arts were a sporting discipline and are there many drive by killings by martial artists in the US or the military ? You haven't thought this through have you ?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

I accuse you of emotionalism because of the nature of your argument. "I wanna ban guns because they are lethal". Well I wanna ban guns in the military because they are lethal. Why should the military have guns?Martial arts are used to cause pain. Why wouldn't you ban martial arts? Is Marksmanship is used as a sporting discipline, but that's not sufficient to not ban it.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

So any argument asking for the banning of something is emotionalism especpically when it's concerned with saving lives ? Well you're the one asking why should the military have guns not me so I don't know please tell me ? Ah , I see martial artists are involved in school slaughters and drive boys ... got ya
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

Some martial artists beat people up, not most. But banning martial arts is concerned with safety and well being, so by your logic it should be banned.Similarly, the military shouldn't carry guns, as guns are meant to kill people. I'm simply applying your supposed logic consistently.I literally posted a response to everything you posted that resembled a point. Your response is indicative of your consistent debate style throughout the conversation.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Your debating style is to muddy the waters we are still talking about guns yet you for some reason you keep rambling on about martial artists , the army etc ,etc whys that ?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

"Argument from analogy is a special type of inductive argument, whereby perceived similarities are used as a basis to infer some further similarity that has yet to be observed. Analogical reasoning is one of the most common methods by which human beings attempt to understand the world and make decisions."You want to ban X for reason Y. By applying reason Y to Z (a variable you don't have the same emotional regard for) I prove the flaw in your logic.The harm that guns can potentially cause is not a reason to ban them. If it were, we would ban other things as well, such as alcohol. Furthermore, the fact that guns can kill people is the reason the military has them. It's the same reason some private citizens have them. You wouldn't take guns away from the military because a country would then be helpless against those who are armed. For the same reason, you do not disarm a reasonable, law abiding citizen.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Wrong yet again your engaged in fallacious argumentation as in attempting to constantly muddy the waters as in using Red Herrings .....Description: Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue that to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.The harm that guns can and do cause harm is indeed a valid argument whether you say it's not is immaterial and here you go again with more red herrings as in alchohol and the military . How do you know a citizen is reasonable ?
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: NO

I’m not surprised that you would confuse logical consistency with logical fallacy. I’m going to explain something about logic to you. I don’t expect you to understand, but at least this way you can’t say you were never told.Logic is about the structure of the argument. This means that you can create formulas wherein, so long as the values are true, they are interchangeable. (If A then B and if B then C therefore, if A then C). This logical structure applies to all reality, regardless of the variables. So when I reference alcohol, martial arts, and the military, it is not designed to divert attention away from the subject, but rather to bring attention to flaws in your logical structure as applied to the subject at hand. You have stated variously that “guns should be banned in the US because guns are lethal weapons” and that you wish to ban guns because you’re “concerned with saving human lives”. If these are valid reasons for a ban then your logical formula is (If a thing is a lethal weapon, then it should be banned) and (If banning a thing saves human lives, then it should be banned). Well, guns are lethal weapons even (especially) in the hands of the military. Does the logic apply? Alcohol takes human lives, is a ban to save human lives not logically consistent here? Martial arts can be developed to such an extent that the skill makes the person a lethal weapon. Should this transformation not be banned?Your eagerness to call these example fallacious rather than address your own flawed logic is expected from one whose foundation for debate is how they feel about a thing. This logical form, which uses your own poor reasoning against you, does not even consider the practicality or feasibility of actually banning guns in the US. Another point that, if you ever addressed it, would be in my favor. Though in the end we don’t need to go there. Your terrible argumentation serves my position well enough as it is. I don’t expect you to be able to grasp the truth of what I have just posted. I expect that at this point, even if you were normally capable, you would be to emotionally agitated to submit to reason.
Debate: Should the use of guns be prohibited in America?
Side: YES

Oh dear , what an inflated ego you just want to hear yourself now as I've no desire to hear you hold forth on something you have yet to display namely ... logic , you got sore when challenged and went into an abusive rant and then went on to accuse me of ' emotionalism ' thus accusing me of your outburst ?Here you go again you attempt to teach me 'logical ' thinking after I pointed out yet another of your many red herrings .Bleating ad nauseum about martial artists and alcohol are lamentably your last pathetic refuge and my initial statement which you barred as ' being off topic ' was indeed the nub of my argument and very tellingly you've still no ' logical ' reply .I asked are guns beneficial for societies ? Again this question is possibly beyond your capabilities and no doubt may induce yet another ' hissy fit '