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Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You said that gays cannot be Christian and I pointed out that you used the no true Scotsman fallacy. Fact: Gays can be Christian. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Who are you to force religion on people?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

But I supplied facts, and evidence to support my statement above. Which clearly you didn't read and just said a short statement. I'm not forcing religion on anybody. I'm just doing what Jesus call's people to do and that is to spread the Gospel, and part of the Gospel is to go and sin no more and repent of your sin and to discontinue the sin that you're doing and follow Jesus.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You did not supply facts. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Gays can be Christians. I am bisexual and I know Yeshua.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Yes, I did. I provide scriptural evidence of it. Looks like you didn't read it but I'll say it again. You can't be a gay Christian, just like you can't be a murdering Christian, a lying Christian, a cheating Christian, a stealing Christian, and so on. That's why in 1st Corinthians 6-9-11, Paul clearly says the things that will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but some of them repented and turned away from the sin that was in the Church of Corinth.Remember what Jesus said to that prostitute who was found in adultery by the Pharisees? What did Jesus say? Jesus said, Go and sin no more. Jesus didn't say go and continue on sinning. The only way for gays to be a Christian is if they repent of their sin (homosexuality) and turn from it and follow Jesus and never do it again. The people who are gay Christians they will fall into the category of people that God will say to them that He never knew them because they practiced sin.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You can't be a [type of sin]ing ChristianLuke 23:32-43 would like a word with you. To be fair, though, it's the only one of the canon gospels that describe one of the rebels/thieves/criminals (depending on translation) as being accepting of jesus; John doesn't mention them at all, and Matthew and Mark both state that both rebels/thieves/criminals.Also, Paul of Tarsus is a false prophet who's works only got into the Bible because the devil manipulated the early church to ensure that some of the work he inspired got in alongside the word of god- hence the gross inconsistencies between Pauls interpretation of what Jesus was all about vs. the interpretation offered by his actual disciples.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Luke 23:32-43 would like a word with you. To be fair, though, it's the only one of the canon gospels that describe one of the rebels/thieves/criminals (depending on translation) as being accepting of jesus; John doesn't mention them at all, and Matthew and Mark both state that both rebels/thieves/criminals.Only if they repent of their sin and turn to Christ they shall get into HeavenAlso, Paul of Tarsus is a false prophet who's works only got into the Bible because the devil manipulated the early church to ensure that some of the work he inspired got in alongside the word of god- hence the gross inconsistencies between Pauls interpretation of what Jesus was all about vs. the interpretation offered by his actual disciples.Paul wasn't a false prophet. He is one of the apostles. He saw God when he was persecuting other Christians and then he later on got healed, and became a believer.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Only if they repent of their sin and turn to Christ they shall get into HeavenExactly. The same requirements that apply to everybody else. If any sinner can be Christian, that includes gays. Christians are not without sin, and though they may try to avoid it, just about every Christian makes intentional actions that are in some way or other sinful. If a person can be forgiven after having premarital sex, certainly forgiveness for homosexual sex is possible. Imagine a homosexual christian who really tries his best not to even look at other guys, serve the lord, and all. Occasionally he has a moment of weakness and commits the sin, and seeks forgiveness. Putting aside the fact that I'd feel terribly sorry for the miserable man- how is this that scenario ANY different from how any other Christian conducts himself or herself? Such a scenario is certainly possible, and I'd wager it's occurred before. I imagine some of them might even have been priests. Ergo, there is at least one possible scenario where a gay could be christian; this satisfies the yes condition for 'Can gays be Christians' pretty definitively the way I see it.Paul wasn't a false prophet. He is one of the apostles. He saw God when he was persecuting other Christians and then he later on got healed, and became a believer.So you say. I say he's a liar and an agent of satan, and that he exploited the weakness of man to pervert the very word of god, with the simultaneous goals of misleading the faithful and introducing inconsistencies that cast severe doubt as to the credibility of the Bible. A devastating attack on Christianity, and entirely in line with the motives and style of the mind that tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Exactly. The same requirements that apply to everybody else. If any sinner can be Christian, that includes gays. Christians are not without sin, and though they may try to avoid it, just about every Christian makes intentional actions that are in some way or other sinful. If a person can be forgiven after having premarital sex, certainly forgiveness for homosexual sex is possible. Imagine a homosexual christian who really tries his best not to even look at other guys, serve the lord, and all. Occasionally he has a moment of weakness and commits the sin, and seeks forgiveness. Putting aside the fact that I'd feel terribly sorry for the miserable man- how is this that scenario ANY different from how any other Christian conducts himself or herself? Such a scenario is certainly possible, and I'd wager it's occurred before. I imagine some of them might even have been priests. Ergo, there is at least one possible scenario where a gay could be christian; this satisfies the yes condition for 'Can gays be Christians' pretty definitively the way I see it.They would have to leave that lifestyle behind in order for them to be forgiven. If they are still in that certain lifestyle or continuing to do the same sin over and over again then then they are just continuing what they are practicing and aren't really living what Christ ought to live. It's no different than anything else for somebody who is continuing to steal, lie, cheat, or kill and claims to be Christian. So you say. I say he's a liar and an agent of satan, and that he exploited the weakness of man to pervert the very word of god, with the simultaneous goals of misleading the faithful and introducing inconsistencies that cast severe doubt as to the credibility of the Bible. A devastating attack on Christianity, and entirely in line with the motives and style of the mind that tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.That's not what I say. I didn't write it down, it was Luke who wrote down how Paul became a believer. I'm only restating what the Bible said about how Paul became a believer, and to which I actually trust what that the Bible is telling the truth about Paul.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

They would have to leave that lifestyle behind in order for them to be forgiven. If they are still in that certain lifestyle or continuing to do the same sin over and over again then then they are just continuing what they are practicing and aren't really living what Christ ought to live. It's no different than anything else for somebody who is continuing to steal, lie, cheat, or kill and claims to be Christian.Being gay is not a 'lifestyle.' It is a sexual orientation. It does not come with mandatory fascination with musical theater or interior decorating. They can leave that lifestyle behind in the same manner that a christian male with no intentions of getting married can leave sexual immorality behind; that is, they can fully intend to live that way, but their natural urges and attractions remain. I assert that if simply doing the same sin over and over again is sufficient to disqualify one from forgiveness, then NOBODY can expect salvation. I bet if you looked at yourself criticially and honestly, you'll find a sin that you commit habitually without even intending to do so or giving it second thought. But regardless, your response here supports the 'Yes' side of this argument- because just because they abstained from sex, they haven't ceased being gay, ergo gays can be christians under the right circumstances.That's not what I say. I didn't write it down, it was Luke who wrote down how Paul became a believer. I'm only restating what the Bible said about how Paul became a believer, and to which I actually trust what that the Bible is telling the truth about Paul.Eve trusted the Serpent too, and ate of the fruit.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Being gay is not a 'lifestyle.' It is a sexual orientation. It does not come with mandatory fascination with musical theater or interior decorating. They can leave that lifestyle behind in the same manner that a christian male with no intentions of getting married can leave sexual immorality behind; that is, they can fully intend to live that way, but their natural urges and attractions remain. I assert that if simply doing the same sin over and over again is sufficient to disqualify one from forgiveness, then NOBODY can expect salvation. I bet if you looked at yourself criticially and honestly, you'll find a sin that you commit habitually without even intending to do so or giving it second thought. But regardless, your response here supports the 'Yes' side of this argument- because just because they abstained from sex, they haven't ceased being gay, ergo gays can be christians under the right circumstances.It's a lifestyle, a sinful one just like all the rest if continued. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I sin as well, but I try not to sin on purpose, and yes sometimes I do try not to sin some days. Eve trusted the Serpent too, and ate of the fruit.What does that have to do with Paul?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

It's a lifestyle, a sinful one just like all the rest if continued. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I sin as well, but I try not to sin on purpose, and yes sometimes I do try not to sin some days.No, it's not a lifestyle. Being gay simply means being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite. Unless you believe that everything about life is focused on sex, that does not constitute a lifestyle- sorry, no way, no how. Some ways that people try not to sin on purpose is succumbing to their desires and engaging in sexual immorality; they don't cease being christians because of this, they repent and try not to succumb again in the future. I don't see why the immorality in question being gay would somehow make it any different in that respect.What does that have to do with Paul?I'll give you an exercise to do yourself. You will need a Bible (any translation, your preference), some paper or a notebook, and a pen or pencil.Do your best to avoid inserting anything other than what you are currently reading into your thought process, as difficult as that may be. Read through the Gospels, as well as Acts, and make note of Jesus' stance on various matters, the message he is teaching, who he is teaching it to, etc. Write each of these down in shorthand form, noting the abbreviated verse that it appears in, etc. Use as many pages as necessary to get you through Acts, and set these aside. Next, read through the various works attributed to Paul. Repeat your original process, noting the overall stance suggested by Paul in his various statements and letters, the message he is teaching, who he is teaching it to, etc. Again, only note those that you can attach an immediate scriptural reference to as you read through. Again, use as many pages as necessary to get through as much of Paul's work as you wish to investigate. When done, compare the two lists you've compiled. If you've done your research honestly and avoided preconceptions, you will notice that Paul paints a starkly different picture of Jesus and Christianity than Luke or the others do. And Paul came in at just the right moment to be a huge influence right when Christianity was first starting to expand. Don't take my word for it- please, read through this and give it a go yourself.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Thank you. It makes me have hope for humanity when smart people like you stand up for what is right.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

No, it's not a lifestyle. Being gay simply means being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite. Unless you believe that everything about life is focused on sex, that does not constitute a lifestyle- sorry, no way, no how. Some ways that people try not to sin on purpose is succumbing to their desires and engaging in sexual immorality; they don't cease being christians because of this, they repent and try not to succumb again in the future. I don't see why the immorality in question being gay would somehow make it any different in that respect.It's a lifestyle. According to Webster's dictionary it says that a lifestyle is the typical way of life of an individual, group, or culture.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

It's a lifestyle. According to Webster's dictionary it says that a lifestyle is the typical way of life of an individual, group, or culture.This is exactly why it's NOT a lifestyle. Even the most sexually active people don't spend the majority of their time having sex. It's not a 'way of life' it's simply being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex.This is like saying being attracted to blondes is a lifestyle. Ridiculous. No, it's not a lifestyle. Try again.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I disagree. Gays can be Christians. Anyone can believe in Yeshua. Being attracted to the same sex is not a sin. Are you saying that it is a sin for me to be bisexual?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Again you didn't read what I had to say. You keep saying the same thing over and over again. I'm done debating with you because we are getting nowhere.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You said: "You can't be a Christian and be gay. It's impossible to be those two. If you're really a Christian you would know that homosexuality is a sin and that God doesn't approve of such lifestyle." What do you mean by this?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

That was my very first argument to this debate. This is what I said providing actual facts about this case right here:" I would like to point out that you can't be a gay Christian just like you can't be a murdering Christian, a lying Christian, a cheating Christian, and the list goes on and on. This is because in 1st Corinthinans 6:9-11, Paul clearly lists the things that won't inherit the Kingdom of God such as murderers, liars, idolaters, homosexuals and so on. Christian's are supposed to repent of their sinful ways, if they don't repent of their ways then they will be only be continuing to sin, and aren't doing what God calls Christians to do which is to go and sin no more. He didn't say to keep on sinning. That's why I say that you can't be a homosexual and a Christian."
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Yes or no: Do you believe that gays can be Christian? .
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Only if they repent of their sin which is homosexuality.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You are using the no true Scotsman fallacy, and homosexuality is not a choice.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

A no true scotsman fallacy is an unreasoned assertion. I have a reasonable assertion. You just refuse to even look at my arguments and ignore my points. According to God in whom you believe in to Him it is a choice.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Where in the Bible is God depicted as having stated homosexuality is a choice? Where is it implied?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Romans 1:26 it talks about how women and men exchanged natural relations to unnatural ones.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Romans 1:26 it talks about how women and men exchanged natural relations to unnatural ones.Romans 1:26 does not speak of men and women choosing to be gay- it speaks of God compelling men and women to feel 'unnatural' lusts for one another. They did not choose to be Gay- god MADE them gay. This does not establish homosexuality as a choice, or even make the slightest implication to that effect.And while we're on the topic, natural/unnatural is highly misused here, as homosexual activity is observed throughout the animal kingdom. You can call it immoral if you like, but it's far from unnatural.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Wrong. You are using the no true Scotsman fallacy when you try to assert your own bigotry on God. Homosexuality is not a choice, so it cannot be a sin. I did not choose to be bisexual, so what you are saying is really offensive. You need to read 2 Samuel 1:26.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

It clearly says in the Bible and written out that it's a sin, and a choice. Stop being ignorant.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Prove it. Post the verses from the King James Bible. .
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Nowhere in the bible is that written out, Srom. In the Bible it insinuates that sexual intercourse between two men is a sin, but only someone who fundamentally does not understand what homosexuality is would claim that means that all homosexuality is a sin.And can you point out where in the bible it insinuates or flat out claims that one's sexuality (NOT sexual acts) is a choice?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

I did point it out. Romans 1:26. It says men exchanged natural relations with unnatural relations, and the same for men.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against natureUse and affections implies ACTIONS, which is the main fallacy that you are making. Homosexuality is an orientation, and can exist devoid of any actions pertaining to it. One can be a homosexual without showing any affections or making any "use" of their own body or others bodies that exhibit said sexuality.So I ask you again: Can you show a single quote where the bible condemns HomoSEXUALITY, as opposed to homosexual activity?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

1st Corinthians 6:9-11. It talks about how homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. A homosexual is someone who is in homosexuality.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."As I have tried to explain to you before, one can be a homosexual without taking part in ANY homosexual activities. Any condemnation in the bible regarding homosexuality is regarding homosexual ACTIONS, not homosexuality itself, which as I have tried to explain to you, is a sexual ORIENTATION. You do not seem to understand what homosexuality actually is, and are instead focused on actions. If someone is a homosexual man (the bible doesn't seem to say much of anything about lesbians) but has not had sex with another man, then they have not gone against any of the relevant condemnations within the bible. Do you recognize that?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

As I have tried to explain to you before, one can be a homosexual without taking part in ANY homosexual activities. Any condemnation in the bible regarding homosexuality is regarding homosexual ACTIONS, not homosexuality itself, which as I have tried to explain to you, is a sexual ORIENTATION. You do not seem to understand what homosexuality actually is, and are instead focused on actions. If someone is a homosexual man (the bible doesn't seem to say much of anything about lesbians) but has not had sex with another man, then they have not gone against any of the relevant condemnations within the bible. Do you recognize that?Even if they are a homosexual, and they don't commit homosexual acts. It's still a sin to look at someone with lust because that's called adultery.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

And there in lies the problem: Lust is a reaction to another's physical appearance. It is not an actual action or choice, it is simply the way your mind reacts to external stimuli. So what you are saying is that homosexuals, by nature of existing, are sinning, even if they are repentant about their homosexuality. Which means that god created a situation in which there is no chance of some of his children going to heaven.That is unbelievably cruel.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

I don't think you know what repenting means because repenting means that they actually fully turn away from the sin. They don't continue to do it, and it's possible to stop lusting after women or men.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I know exactly what repenting means, you just don't understand the concept of human sexuality. You can't decide to stop finding people attractive, that is impossible as attraction is not an active choice. Lusting after someone means you see them and are attracted, at least by the context you are implying. If that is the case, it is a split second reaction that occurs before any sort of conscientious choice has been made. One does not see an individual and think to themselves "Hmm, I think I am going to choose to find that person attractive".
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Lusting is not only seeing them attractive. It's also the thought that counts as well that person could be fantasizing about having sex with that person.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

In that case, one can indeed be homosexual, find the same sex attractive (though not "lust" after them) and be Christian so long as they do not perform any sexual acts with the same sex (though, again, the bible is rather quiet regarding lesbians).
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Even if they are a homosexual, and they don't commit homosexual acts. It's still a sin to look at someone with lust because that's called adultery.And by extension, even if they are a heterosexual, and they don't commit heterosexual acts, It's still a sin to look at someone with lust because that's called adultery.By this logic, the only ones who can be christians are those who are completely asexual.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You are wrong. The word homosexual did not exist when the Bible was written. You are misintepretting the true meaning of "arsenokoitai which is a term that applies to religious prostitution. You are projecting your own prejudice onto God. God has no problem with gays. Homosexuality is not a choice, so it cannot be a sin.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

If God has no problem with gays then why didn't he make two men or two women in the Garden of Eden?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Appeal to nature fallacy. There is nothing wrong with being gay. The Bible supports same sex marriage in 2 Samuel 1:26. Just because gays cannot procreate does not mean that they are doing anything wrong.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

This is why I don't debate with you Dana. I asked you a question and you simply ignored it.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I have every right to be offended when you hate gays and bisexuals like me. I did not choose to be bisexual, so for you to say that I am going to Hell is just wrong.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

I never said I hated them.