azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DMS 7th Period Debate: Should African Artifacts Be Returned to Africa?
Side: No, stay where they are.

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Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Every person, young or old, has the right of life, according to the 14th amendment of the constitution. No woman can kill her pre-born baby, just as no woman can kill her toddler. The age and level of dependency does not alter a person's right of life.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Apparently the supreme court disagrees with you.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Oh and surely the supreme court is always right!.........
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Technically, yes. You can't interpret the constitution however you feel. They can. So, in a sense they are always right even when they make a bad decision.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Well, there are many times when the supreme court has ruled something, and later on changed their mind in a similar case.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Technically, both times they were right.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

That's rather faulty logic, is it not? Although the Judicial system is meant to be "right" they have been known to err, given the fact that they are human, with all of the biases and opinions that come with our sentience.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

If you do something that you think is right that the supreme court has ruled is illegal will you go to jail? That is my logic.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

But things that are logically right are not always morally right, things that are legally right are not always either of the two. I am in no way condoning performing illegal activities, rather, I am supporting protests against Judicial rulings which people disagree with. If there is enough support, it could be overturned. The point is, there are many different "rights" in the world; you may be referring to the legal fashion, in which case you would be correct, as they are the highest Judicial power in the land; however, I was referring to moral and logical rightness, which are completely different. Regardless, that was a miscommunication on my part, and I apologize for not clarifying prior.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Regardless, that was a miscommunication on my part, and I apologize for not clarifying prior.I have no problem with your assessment, I just don't think it fits with mine since I am talking about something else.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I agree. We were on two different spectrums there, and I think that, in their own rights, both assertions were correct.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

They certainly provide better arguments than you made :PAnd in terms of Constitutional interpretation and enforcement, they currently have the final say (since the odds of a constitutional amendment being passed is absolutely 0).
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Obviously the supreme court has authority over these matters, but that does't mean they are always right. They have messed up in other cases in the past. I'm not saying I'm always right, I just understand that everyone, including those of the supreme court, are human and make mistakes.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

you are nothing like Cartman.and if you believe the supreme court actually cares about the constitution, you're insane.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

It's the job of the supreme court to make decisions based on the constitution, so they have to care about the constitution.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

If you believe the Supreme Court doesn't "care" (care: concern or interest) in the Constitution then you have no idea what it is they do for a job :PYou might think that some of them do not adhere to your interpretation of it, but they obviously have an interest in it.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Well said, a person with humanity. Very rare on this site................................
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Except a baby isn't currently, by any widely recognized definition be it legal, medical or simply linguistic, a person.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

What do you define as a person? At 3 weeks in the womb, the heart starts beating, and the baby has all the basic organs and parts. At 5 weeks, hands begin to form, and it starts moving. The baby is conscious from week 1. If it is born pd-maturely at only 21 weeks, it has developed enough that it still has a 51% chance of survival. Scientifically, you cannot deny that a fetus is anything other than human, otherwise you are denying the fundamental laws of biogenesis. Human life is formed at contraception, not at birth. As our country learned from the times of slavery, and human, no matter what they look like, is a person with rights. Pre-born babies have these rights as well, even though they are less developed.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

So are you against condoms and birth control medication as well? They also oppose the development of "pre-born babies".
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I don't know much behind the science of condoms and birth control, but I am against anything that ends life. Stopping life from ever forming is generally okay because you are not killing anyone.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/are-sperm-alive Sperm are alive. So you are against condoms, and ejaculation?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Technically I am against condoms, but that is because of my religious beliefs that sex is only done for the purpose of procreation, and it must also be kept until marriage.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Okay, so you have a religious bias, which influences your entire argument. There is no point in having a rational debate about this, then.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

It is not a pointless argument because we are not debating whether or not condoms are right or wrong, but whether abortion is right or wrong. It is our conscience that tells us that killing is wrong, and the belief that all deserve a chance at life. It is especially important for abortion to not occur if there were no God, because that would mean that death is truly ''the end". The unborn would not have an afterlife, and would therefore have no more life whatsoever.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Sorry I just need to comment this, the "science of condoms" made me chortle. There's not much "science" there; it's a bag that catches jizz.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Being human is not the only requirement to be a person.Person:human being regarded as an individualSince the fetus is heavily dependent on the mother it isn't an individual.And, babies born at 22 weeks only have a 25% chance of surviving. There is no way that 21 weeks would have a 51% survivability.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Where do you draw the line between being a person and not being a person, based on dependence? If someone was born with several extreme conditions that makes him just as dependent on treatment and meds as pre-born babies are on their mothers, is he not a person?I got that fact from a website. who knows what stats are right nowadays.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

When the baby is born it is not dependent on the mom and becomes an individual. You aren't a person until you are born.Being an individual means you are separate. Being dependent on medicine is still separate.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

What about siamese twins? They are connected and dependent on each other.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Here is a girl in high school who has more intelligence and humanity than all the pro choice people on this site.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

So you believe the sole factor when determining intelligence is whether or not someone believes live begins at conception?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

No it's determined by whether or not you agree with him.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Intelligence does not involve using words incorrectly. Sorry.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

What do you define as a person? At 3 weeks in the womb, the heart starts beating, and the baby has all the basic organs and parts.That's actually 10 weeks.What do you define as a person? At 3 weeks in the womb, the heart starts beating, and the baby has all the basic organs and parts.Can you provide a single source for your claim that a baby is conscious from week one? If it is born pd-maturely at only 21 weeks, it has developed enough that it still has a 51% chance of survival. Actually 21 and less is 0%. 22 is 0-10, 23 is 10-35, 24 is 40-70, 25 is 50-80, 26 is 80-90, and it climbs from there.Scientifically, you cannot deny that a fetus is anything other than human, otherwise you are denying the fundamental laws of biogenesis. Not really. One can easily argue that without the presence of brainwaves, it is not "alive" and thus not a formed human being.Human life is formed at contraception, not at birth. That isn't some objective fact, that is your belief (which is fine). Personally, I find both to be absurd.As our country learned from the times of slavery, and human, no matter what they look like, is a person with rights. Pre-born babies have these rights as well, even though they are less developed.Only if they actually are people, which is the entire foundation of this argument and is a topic that is far from settled.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Maybe the stats from the website I was using are wrong. Or maybe your stats are wrong. My source for week 1 was college.studentsforlife.org. Where are the sources from your facts? Really. I'm surprised at this, because many people had always told me that to defend the unborn, I would have to go beyond proving that they are alive from conception, because that is already a well-known scientific fact. The following quote is from an article titled "The science of abortion: when does life begin?": "In a recent interview, Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) declared it is a scientific fact that 'human life begins at conception.' He also said that leaders on the left who wag their fingers about the settled science of global warming are hypocrites when it comes to science, and someone should ask them if they accept the 'consensus of scientists that says that human life begins at conception.' Going further, the senator added, 'I’d like to see someone ask that question. It’s never asked. And that’s not even a debatable thing, we can actually see that happening. I mean, that is a proven fact. And yet that’s a scientific consensus they conveniently choose to ignore.'" If you still don't believe me, look it up. It is a fact when something becomes alive, not just a mere belief. They are people, just like the slaves were people (not 3/5ths of a person).
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Maybe the stats from the website I was using are wrong. Or maybe your stats are wrong. My source for week 1 was college.studentsforlife.org. Where are the sources from your facts?Since I can't find the original source, I will instead change my figures to reflect this source since I have it at hand and is reliable. Heartbeat: 6-7 weeks, Organs 9 weeks, viability outside of womb at least after 26 weeks. I'm surprised at this, because many people had always told me that to defend the unborn, I would have to go beyond proving that they are alive from conception, because that is already a well-known scientific fact. The following quote is from an article titled "The science of abortion: when does life begin?": "In a recent interview, Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) declared it is a scientific fact that 'human life begins at conception.' He also said that leaders on the left who wag their fingers about the settled science of global warming are hypocrites when it comes to science, and someone should ask them if they accept the 'consensus of scientists that says that human life begins at conception.' Going further, the senator added, 'I’d like to see someone ask that question. It’s never asked. And that’s not even a debatable thing, we can actually see that happening. I mean, that is a proven fact. And yet that’s a scientific consensus they conveniently choose to ignore.'That is absurd, because there isn't even a scientific consensus on what criteria to use when determining when a person who has already been born is alive. Marco Rubio made a political, not scientific, claim.Now, I'm going to link to wikipedia because this is one of the few times wikipedia really works. If you click on that, you can find citations to dozens of different scientific organizations positing dozens of different standards by which to judge when life exists.If you believe there is a scientific consensus on when life begins, I would challenged you to provide a comprehensive list (not you yourself, I would think there would be a list like this, or this.If you can provide evidence of such a consensus by reputable scientific organizations then I am open to recognizing that and changing my opinion, however.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Here is a link that proves that newly conceived embryos are alive. http://infohost.nmt.edu/~klathrop/7characterisitcs oflife.htm
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I'm sorry, but that is a random privately hosted page without a single citation regarding the validity of its claims.Not reputable or reliable.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I learned the same exact stuff in a biology class at school, so I'm sure there is a more valid source somewhere. The content makes a lot of sense too.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Of course it would make a lot of sense if it is based on a preconception.So do you have one of those "more valid sources"?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Ughh fine I'll go find one.the second paragraph of this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeAlso, this definition taken from Biology-online: Lifenoun, plural: lives(1) A distinctive characteristic of a living organism from dead organism or non-living thing, as specifically distinguished by the capacity to grow, metabolize, respond (to stimuli), adapt, and reproduce(2) The biota of a particular region
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Throughout history there have been many theories about life including materialism, hylomorphism and vitalism. Even today it is a challenge for scientists and philosophers to define life. The smallest contiguous unit of life is called an organism. Organisms are composed of one or more cells, undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, can grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce (either sexually or asexually) and, through evolution, adapt to their environment in successive generations.[1] A diverse array of living organisms can be found in the biosphere of Earth, and the properties common to these organisms are a carbon- and water-based cellular form with complex organization and heritable genetic information.So not only does that demonstrate my point but it also lists characteristics a fetus does not meet.As for your definition, the fetus fails multiple of those criteria as well.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

If a woman is barren, does that make her not alive? There are some characteristics that are not developed, but most are (cells, can grow, homeostasis, and maybe more but I'm not sure about some).
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I found another piece of proof. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo "While most organ systems develop from the third week to the eighth, embryonic life begins at conception.[2]"
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Interesting that the citation that sentences leads to is a dead end.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I didn't check the citation before, but what's wrong with it? It says "Gary C. Schoenwolf ... et al.. "Development go the Urogenital system." Larsen's human embryology etccccc
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

It makes is difficult if not impossible to look at the actual justification for that particular sentence if you cannot actually read the paper in question.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

I'm sure if you google search the paper name from the citation you can find it and look for yourself
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Also, you probably know that if we find one cell on Mars, scientists call it "life on mars". What's wrong with one cell on Earth?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

If we find a single celled organism than we would. A fetus doesn't fit all the criteria to constitute a single celled organism.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

You're saying that one cell is alive, but multiple cells working together and functioning are not??? That argument just doesn't make sense.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Fetuses are alive, but so are sperm, and the germs you kill when you clean your dishes. Simply saying "IT'S ORGANIC LIFE!" isn't enough. The fact of the matter is, the cost of sacrificing a womans bodily autonomy by forcing her to birth (and likely raise) a child she did not intend to have far outweighs the cost of aborting a fetus when it is in this early stage of development.Quick side note, "Embryonic life begins at conception" literally just means "Embryos begin when the embryo is formed".
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Think back to slavery and the Holocaust – both of these cases displayed an instance in which the state determined the level of personhood in certain groups of human beings. It is not our job to decide who is a "person" and who is merely a living thing. The fact that someone is human, no matter what stage or state they are in, deems basic rights. Technically it means 'life of the embryo begins when it is formed'. The person I was arguing with before was looking for proof for life of the embryo.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Actually I had been looking for proof of live for the human involved. I've been thinking about what you said and trying to parse what they have said (life of the embryo) vs what I had said (life of the human).I suppose to maintain consistency I really don't consider the embryo to be a human being until it has brain waves. So yes, the embryo may be life. So is sperm, though. Neither are, in my opinion, humans. The issue in comparing it to the holocaust is that the Nazi's did think that the Jews were people. For most of the time they didn't even think said people deserved to die, just to be forcefully relocated elsewhere. Even when the Final Solution started, they didn't start suddenly thinking they were some different species, they just thought Jews were evil/corrupt/demonic (etc) and didn't deserve to live.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Maybe the holocaust argument doesn't work but back then black people were considered 3/5ths of a person...So when does an embryo magically become human?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

They were considered 3/5 of a person for purposes of representation. Outside of that they were considered people, just "lesser" people (still horrible, but the analogy doesn't fit).As for when an embryo becomes a human, that is a topic of heated debate (obviously) and is essentially the foundation of abortion debate. Personally, I think much of what makes someone "human" has to do with the brain, so I base it on the presence of brain waves.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

So what species is it before it becomes homo sapiens sapiens?
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

This is more philosophical than that. The "species" is in fact Homo Sapien Sapien. Nobody denies or questions that. They simply question if it is a "person".A fetus is alive, so is sperm. A fetus has the homo sapien genetic code, so does does sperm. A fetus meets some but not all of the conditions of "life" (referring to the varying different lists of conditions that have been presented). But neither of us thinks any of that makes a sperm a "person", and I simply don't think it makes a fetus a person either until said brainwaves exist.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

You said yourself that to make something a human it has to have a certain level of brain activity... Now you're saying that there is no question that it is human from the start.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

How is it you might come to exist there Progressive ? That answer i want to hear !
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Anyone who puts the rights of a partially developed unborn human being above those of a woman, and considers that to be a reasonable, moral or even desirable stance, most certainly must hate women with intense ferocity
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

Abortion should be illegal because of the fact that a baby is a human that is murder. Lets suggest you murder someone for something that's illegal correct? Yea so it should be illegal and the father and mother could decide on adoption instead of abortion
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

The only way to repeal an amendment to the US constitution is to add another amendment that will replace or repeal the original. No 3/4 vote will do it under any circumstance. The Supreme Court has ruled abortion a constitutional right. However, a future Supreme Court could overrule a past decision and make abortion illegal or not a constitutional right. An amendment either way would also take the Supreme Court out of the picture of deciding the fate of abortion.
Debate: Is abortion a Constitutional right?
Side: ars ago

To say an unborn fetus who feels no emotion or pain is more valuable than the mother who carries it is simply wrong. If Hitler was a fetus would you allow the abortion? I assume most people who oppose it lean towards the right, and thus usually believe in a limited government. Not allowing a woman to choose what to do with her body is restricting a woman of her choice. What if a man was not allowed to get a vasectomy because those sperms COULD be people?The idea of a fetus being potential is indeed correct. But one has no idea of if the fetus will grow up to be the next Hitler, or possibly the next Gandhi. But instead of focusing on the what ifs, why not focus on the reality of what we know: women have choices. What if the denial of the abortion could cause a student to drop out of college restricting THEIR potential? What if the women is financially unstable, and a baby could send her into bankruptcy? Who's choice is restricted then?