azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

How would you express your greed with no money? Hoarding things that are freely available anyway? What would be the point?No, the whole point of currency was to simplify trade, if there was no currency then the greedy would hoard possessions and things with high value + there is more to greed than just wanting wealth, greed can also be associated with a great lust for power. Even if money was non-existent people would still be greedy.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

No, the whole point of currency was to simplify tradeThere is no need for item exchange. Everyone would work because it was necessary, they would be given items freely because it was necessary.if there was no currency then the greedy would hoard possessions and things with high value + there is more to greed than just wanting wealth, greed can also be associated with a great lust for power.What would be the point of hoarding things if they gain nothing from it? What kind of things of high value are you talking about? Currently they hoard money and that also enables power. Do you think there would be no policing force? There would always be infringements that must be dealt with one way or another. Greed is detrimental and even in present day it should be dealt with, but evidently is not (because the greedy ones are the ones who currently determine the rules).You don't base an economy of no money on our current inferior values. If you do it won't work.Even if money was non-existent people would still be greedy.They would, but there would be less ways to express it. Seeing the massive amount of items present they would be more inclined to see the errors they have made, and correct themselves.Better education also reduces greed.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

There is no need for item exchange. Everyone would work because it was necessary, they would be given items freely because it was necessary.What the hell are you talking about? How trade used to work was everyone would work, then whatever was left over would be traded, this was called the barter system, as you may know it made trade difficult at times so people decided "hey gold and silver are valuable, lets use this as a medium for trade" then when banks started storing the gold and silver, they would give people bank notes, the first paper money. The entire reason currency was created was to simplify trade.What would be the point of hoarding things if they gain nothing from it? What kind of things of high value are you talking about? Currently they hoard money and that also enables power. Do you think there would be no policing force? There would always be infringements that must be dealt with one way or another. Greed is detrimental and even in present day it should be dealt with, but evidently is not (because the greedy ones are the ones who currently determine the rules).Do you not understand that other things have value besides money? And greed and rich are two different things, being successful and making money doesn't make you greedy.They would, but there would be less ways to express it. Seeing the massive amount of items present they would be more inclined to see the errors they have made, and correct themselves.Better education also reduces greed.Better education doesnt reduce greed, its a human quality that will always be around, its like saying "oh lets educate people, then lust will be reduced" go ahead, I dare you to try, but it won't work. And again, they will still have ways to express it, other things besides money have wealth, if you got rid of currency, the people who sell and make the most product would still be on top, it would just make trade harder.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

You clearly cannot imagine a world with no money. That world would work well.Do you not understand that other things have value besides money?Do you understand that if there was no money and everything was available there would be no point for hoarding, no point to succumb to greed. Those people would simply be ignored. If by hoarding they were to cause issues then those people would be dealt with. And I also mentioned better education and new values...being successful and making money doesn't make you greedy.When did I say it does? Although it can, you get the taste and cannot stop, until you notice yourself.Better education doesnt reduce greed, its a human quality that will always be around, its like saying "oh lets educate people, then lust will be reduced" go ahead, I dare you to try, but it won't work.It would always be around but there would be less of it.Smarter people are far more inclined to notice themselves and everything around them. And so they would be more inclined to controlling themselves.And again, they will still have ways to express it, other things besides money have wealth, if you got rid of currency, the people who sell and make the most product would still be on top, it would just make trade harder.What part of "there would be no trade" don't you understand? Things would be produced for one purpose - because they are needed, not because they are for trading. They are produced for people to be used not for trading. They are produced directly for the people. No middle medium, other than places where to receive them.There are those who produce food, those who make tools, who make all other things. They would make them for everyone.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

Although it can, you get the taste and cannot stop, until you notice yourself.Its not about noticing it, most people who are greedy know it, and they'll keep on doing it.Smarter people are far more inclined to notice themselves and everything around them. And so they would be more inclined to controlling themselves.Education can not help someone control them selves, through meditation, self reflection, and happiness, yes.What part of "there would be no trade" don't you understand? Things would be produced for one purpose - because they are needed, not because they are for trading.I don't mean this as an insult, I truely don't but I don't have a better way to ask this, are you economically retarded? Trade is what makes countries great, trade is good for everyone and to think that getting rid of it would help, well, your dead wrong. You sound like you want a utopia which can not be achieved and if it could I would not want to be a part of it cause it sounds terrible.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

Its not about noticing it, most people who are greedy know it, and they'll keep on doing it.That's where the police or some force that deals with issues like that should come in.Education can not help someone control them selves, through meditation, self reflection, and happiness, yes.Education has the potential of leading people to that. Also depends on the education.I don't mean this as an insult, I truely don't but I don't have a better way to ask this, are you economically retarded?Trade works, but it is not necessary for a civilization to work.Trade is what makes countries great, trade is good for everyone and to think that getting rid of it would help, well, your dead wrong.As I said, different values, education, etc. It would make things better. You just cannot imagine it, it seems.You sound like you want a utopia which can not be achieved and if it could I would not want to be a part of it cause it sounds terrible.Utopia is subjective. Absolute utopia is impossible. Something like part-utopia (there would still be issues, as people do differ and people do stupid things) is possible.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

That's where the police or some force that deals with issues like that should come in.You shouldn't be able to arrest someone for greed, just as you should be able to arrest someone for being angry or lustful.Trade works, but it is not necessary for a civilization to work.Its is not necessary, but if there is no trade the effects will be dramatic.As I said, different values, education, etc. It would make things better. You just cannot imagine it, it seems.Things would not be better, thats the whole point, I'm imagining what it would be like, your just imagining what you want it to be like.Utopia is subjective. Absolute utopia is impossible. Something like part-utopia (there would still be issues, as people do differ and people do stupid things) is possible.I'm guess by a part-utopia you mean a very collective society that everyone is forced into?
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

You shouldn't be able to arrest someone for greed, just as you should be able to arrest someone for being angry or lustful.Even if greed causes harm to society? If someone is so angry that begins beating people up? Lust that leads to rape?Its is not necessary, but if there is no trade the effects will be dramatic.Dramatic only if you kept current values and simply removed money. People wouldn't have the time to adjust, adjusting would require organized help anyway, otherwise it'd all get really messed up.Things would not be better, thats the whole point, I'm imagining what it would be like, your just imagining what you want it to be like.Your imagining is based on current values, as I said they should be different for it to work. My imagination is based on logic, as in what would it take to make it work, how could it work.I'm guess by a part-utopia you mean a very collective society that everyone is forced into?Any drastic change comes with force of some sort, unless people on average become a lot smarter. Change in values, education, etc., would mean they would not be forced, they would understand why it's so and they would accept it, and as is currently, they would also be raised into it. Everyone would still be free and free to think and do whatever they like (unless that is harming others).
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

Even if greed causes harm to society? If someone is so angry that begins beating people up? Lust that leads to rape?Your have a right to be greedy, angry and lustful, you do not have a right to theft, violence and rape. Your imagining is based on current values, as I said they should be different for it to work. My imagination is based on logic, as in what would it take to make it work, how could it work.What it would take to work is not worth what it is, for this to happen you would need a very large collectivist government and a forced unity.Any drastic change comes with force of some sort, unless people on average become a lot smarter. Change in values, education, etc., would mean they would not be forced, they would understand why it's so and they would accept it, and as is currently, they would also be raised into it. Everyone would still be free and free to think and do whatever they like (unless that is harming others). Brainwashing someone with education is not having them accept it. Its not based of values, its based on how things work, yes the idea of no currency and only working for what is absolutley needed works... on a very small scale, such as a small group of people or a tribe, but when you have 6 billion people, no.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

Brainwashing someone with education is not having them accept it.In that case what is currently going on is also brainwashing. There's only talk about how this all is great and how only this all can work, that there are no working alternatives (even though in reality the alternatives haven't really been tested). Well, that is just dead wrong.Its not based of values, its based on how things work, yes the idea of no currency and only working for what is absolutley needed works...Value = something regarded as important. And yes, there would also be the part of how things work.on a very small scale, such as a small group of people or a tribe, but when you have 6 billion people, no.Imagine bigger, and what it would take to make it work. It is possible. Getting it done is the hard part, as people are used to current ways and seem to fear all sudden and drastic changes, and they are taught that this is the only way.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

In that case what is currently going on is also brainwashing. There's only talk about how this all is great and how only this all can work, that there are no working alternatives (even though in reality the alternatives haven't really been tested). Well, that is just dead wrong.Bullshit, most schools either don't educate kids about economics and government or they have a socialist view on it. And the alternatives have been tested, even in america, and they fail.Value = something regarded as important. And yes, there would also be the part of how things work.If your idea of new values is Marxist equality and survival, im sorry, but your trapped in the past.Imagine bigger, and what it would take to make it work. It is possible. Getting it done is the hard part, as people are used to current ways and seem to fear all sudden and drastic changes, and they are taught that this is the only way.No one is taught this is the only way, most colleges have very liberal and socialist views on government and economics. We have seen the other ways and they don't work out so well. If you want to "imagine" it, go ahead, but I suggest you read a history book first, you'll find this has been tried before.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

Bullshit, most schools either don't educate kids about economics and government or they have a socialist view on it. And the alternatives have been tested, even in america, and they fail.You clearly cannot view current ways from the outside.The alternatives have never really been tested. It takes far more than just an idea and some flawed fussing to get it done correctly.If your idea of new values is Marxist equality and survival, im sorry, but your trapped in the past.I'm the one trapped in the past, yet you are the one who cannot look away from it. I've never liked history anyway...All my views come from me, not from some previously established ones'.No one is taught this is the only way, most colleges have very liberal and socialist views on government and economics. We have seen the other ways and they don't work out so well. If you want to "imagine" it, go ahead, but I suggest you read a history book first, you'll find this has been tried before.We have not seen the other ways, as they have never truly been tested. In every bigger society, to this point, there has been money and it has always been used. Not to mention other significant flaws.I'd suggest you kept away from history books (as you cannot differentiate crap from "truth", more or less). Not to mention they are filled with worthless dates. If you looked at present and then at past, you'd notice significant differences... History is mostly useless crap. Dwelling over past that is written pretty much as absolute truth and usually by the victors or whoever wants things one way or another, even though corrections are, time to time, being done, is simply a waste of time. A short review would do just well.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

I'd suggest you kept away from history books (as you cannot differentiate crap from "truth", more or less). Not to mention they are filled with worthless dates.Your thinking of school history books, where it says "in 1873 this happened" thats not history, thats a bunch of facts.  History is mostly useless crap.Those who forget the past almost always repeat its mistakes.Dwelling over past that is written pretty much as absolute truth and usually by the victors or whoever wants things one way or another, even though corrections are, time to time, being done, is simply a waste of time. A short review would do just well.I apologize that you had a terrible experience with being taught history and that you have such a skewed view about it. History is not a list of facts, its an argument about the past, if you want to not sound like an ignorant person trying to push their "new view" no everyone, you might want to do some research first.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

Your thinking of school history books, where it says "in 1873 this happened" thats not history, thats a bunch of facts.If it is about the past, it is history. Does not matter whether they are facts or not (in fact there is no way to tell whether some of those "facts" are really facts, as there have been made corrections before). Either way, there's no point for dates that give nothing useful to you, unless you like wasting time on insignificant material.Those who forget the past almost always repeat its mistakes.If people are more highly educated and know how the world really works (we have far more knowledge about the world now than we did in the past), then there will be far less mistakes, because they can perceive mistakes before they are made and not do them (this does not include history on such detail as knowing specific dates, if at all). Knowing specific dates is pointless, it literally is a waste of time.Wait... you refer to history to determine whether something is right or wrong? You have no inherent ability of your own to make the right decisions?I apologize that you had a terrible experience with being taught history and that you have such a skewed view about it.It didn't come from how I was taught. At one point I began thinking, what is the point of knowing all those dates if I will, literally, never need them?My views aren't skewed at all. Using my own mind is skewed?All the dates and facts you know about history, what do they give you besides knowing them? Don't say the knowledge of what is right and wrong because that you should have without referring to some written texts.The only reason you think history is so important is because you were raised and taught to think so.You call my views skewed, yet you aren't looking at things with an objective and practical mind.As I said, a short review will do just well.History is not a list of facts, its an argument about the past, if you want to not sound like an ignorant person trying to push their "new view" no everyone, you might want to do some research first.History is taught as a list of facts.That research would give me nothing. Being ignorant on history is pretty much a good thing. There is no point knowing everything that has happened in detail. The point is moving on, not dwelling over useless past. Things have changed, the mistakes that have been made before are becoming more and more impossible to make again, as our knowledge about everything currently existing is increasing rather fast. We can see what and how something will affect something else, before first trying it.Human history simply reflects the stupidity of humanity that is increasingly decreasing.Learning specific dates and history in detail is a waste of time. If you do it as a hobby then go ahead.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

If people are more highly educated and know how the world really works (we have far more knowledge about the world now than we did in the past), then there will be far less mistakes, because they can perceive mistakes before they are made and not do them (this does not include history on such detail as knowing specific dates, if at all). Knowing specific dates is pointless, it literally is a waste of time.I said dates are pointless because they are not history, its just a list of "facts" or statements.Wait... you refer to history to determine whether something is right or wrong? You have no inherent ability of your own to make the right decisions?No, I'm simply saying that history is a lesson, your supposed to learn from its mistakes not ignore and repeat them.It didn't come from how I was taught. At one point I began thinking, what is the point of knowing all those dates if I will, literally, never need them?Again, facts and dates are not history, thats just bullshit.My views aren't skewed at all. Using my own mind is skewed?No, but pretending that history doesn't matter and that a system with no money would work on a massive scale is very scewed.The only reason you think history is so important is because you were raised and taught to think so.I wasn't raised or taught it, most of what I learned about history I learned outside of school on my own time.You call my views skewed, yet you aren't looking at things with an objective and practical mind.You think eliminating money would work perfectly, thats not very practical.History is taught as a list of facts.If your only source of history is a shitty public school teacher and a text book, then yes.Human history simply reflects the stupidity of humanity that is increasingly decreasing.Decreasing? People will always be people to think that some how human nature is fading away is completely delusional.
Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

No, I'm simply saying that history is a lesson, your supposed to learn from its mistakes not ignore and repeat them.Current problem with that is that people tend to ascribe certain events to certain views and certain acts (they don't seem to learn from that mistake). Without thinking whether what was intended could actually work if it were to be done correctly. Everyone is flawed in one way or another. Trial and error till you get it right, but claiming something to be absolutely impossible without never really having tried it is just stupid.You stop whatever you are doing at first failure?Again, facts and dates are not history, thats just bullshit.Facts and dates about the past is history. It's basically the definition of history.No, but pretending that history doesn't matter and that a system with no money would work on a massive scale is very scewed.That only shows your views and opinions are skewed, not mine.History, the way it is taught and what about it is taught is almost all useless. A society with no money could work, I have explained a bit how. Not my problem you lack the necessary imagination and creativity to see how exactly.Knowing about history in detail, what has that given to you what you would not have had otherwise? Useless knowledge?I don't need history to tell me what is right or wrong. I'd rather think myself.I wasn't raised or taught it, most of what I learned about history I learned outside of school on my own time.As a hobby...As you might be aware people also collect physical things as a hobby, like stones, candy wrappers, and so many other things.You think eliminating money would work perfectly, thats not very practical.Perfectly? Perfect is subjective, absolute perfect is impossible. But it would work far better than the current system.Currently, the one with money has the power. If there'd be no money it would be the one with the most brains (more or less).It is practical to find better and more efficient ways.If your only source of history is a shitty public school teacher and a text book, then yes.History is facts about the past... that is a fact. Even though those "facts" have sometimes been changed. Or are you saying what history says is not what happened, what was?Decreasing? People will always be people to think that some how human nature is fading away is completely delusional.Human nature? I never said anything about that. It is a fact that humans become smarter the more we find out about everything around us.You call stupidity human nature? That it will always remain so? By saying that you are also saying that we don't change, that we do not evolve. Now that is delusional.Human nature is a made up concept, in reality it does not really exist. The only real "nature" we have is survival, and to become more advanced (this probably to increase the chance of survival, so...). I'd say the rest is simply a product of the second, which itself is very likely a product of the first, even if some of the products of the second are rather stupid (that's what an abstract mind results - there'll be crap).