azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

You try to claim that God took on a body to suffer the penalty of evil: death. Now is God eternal as it is written or not? If God is eternal there is NO way that God can suffer death.Of course I had pointed out all of the places in the Bible that clearly show that The Jesus in the texts was clearly not God but that is a whole different debate that you never countered any of my proof as it was clearly proof not evidence.What part of I don't blame your God or anyone else's Gods for anything as they are imaginary and you can't hold imaginary things accountable for anything
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

He suffered death in His body, your death, Bob. God the Son sent by God the Father, God humbled Himself in the form of a man to pay man's price so man can be forgiven. It's the only way God can justify Himself to keep in Hell those creatures who are in rebellion and not give them what they want which is either eternal freedom to roam around like you are now, or un-existence in death. Apart from what He did, He would have no choice but to let you (better, to force you) to go out of existence and if He were able to do that, it would prove He is not good in that He created you but could not keep you alive. God is not letting or forcing you to go out of existence, Bob, you are just trying to kill yourself.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

It is very clear in the beginning of the Bible that God intentionally created mankind to disobey and sin. As was proven by Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel. Not one of them felt remorseful for their actions. They were only upset by their punishment. This proves that God created mankind to disobey without remorse. Cain and Abel provide strong evidence that God created humans to be inherently evil. God intentionally made Cain envious of Abel knowing ahead of time (God is omniscient) that it would drive Cain to kill Abel. So then as the story Goes, God punishes mankind for behaving in the manner in which God created mankind. So with that said, why would God feel compelled to pay a price so that God can forgive mankind for being what God had created? To me this is absolute proof that mankind created God in his image. It was a primitive belief of man that blood sacrifices were needed to appease the Gods. Why would God need people to kill animals to sacrifice to God. What benefit to God is this dead animal?It is an interesting concept Christianity,God impregnates a virgin with himself to be born so that he can sacrifice himself to himself to save mankind from being what he created. It makes perfect sense, LOL You said that false religions are self evident, yet to you it is not, unbelievable
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

This stuff is so goofy it's hard to read, Bob. Adam and Eve suddenly knew they were exposed, guilty, and feared God greatly after they knew no fear and only trusted God. No remorse? Are you kidding? When God took animal skin and covered them with it, showing the death they now were abiding in, and kicked them out of the Garden of Eden into a world of labor and suffering, you think they had no remorse? God told them they would die the day they ate of the fruit of The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they died. They were separated from God in sin, dead in their footsteps. In order for God to give them time to bring YOU, Bob, into the world, He took an animal in their place and covered them with the skin of the animal. That is the sacrifice of God, and He promised that one day He Himself would become the final and fully satisfactory sacrifice to pay for the sins of man. Jesus is the Lamb of God, God incarnate who took on a body to pay for your sins so your debt can be forgiven, Bob. You owe God for your time and you have to pay, and can never pay enough to remove your wrongs from your record, you cannot change your history, and you can't escape it in death as you are dead now in your sins, Bob. God Himself died on the cross in your place, Bob, He is the sacrifice for your sins, His blood paid your price so He can be just to forgive you and righteous in executing damnation of Hell against His enemies who forced Him to die to save His creation and purge it from evil.It's all about Justice, Bob. Justice and mercy, righteousness and truth. It's so simple a child can understand, and you have got your mind all tangled up thinking you are as good as God. God is being good to you, Bob, giving you time, and you are trying to murder Him. You might as well say it was you who put the nails in the hands and feet of Jesus Christ. He died for you because He loves you, Bob, He offers His forgiveness in His resurrection so you can know God in reality and have eternal life. You are only fighting a losing battle trying to make God leave you alone.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

So if Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil by what means could they determine that eating the fruit would be evil as they had no knowledge of good and evil?I clearly stated that they did not have remorse for the action but they showed remorse only due to the punishment. It doesn't say that after eating the fruit Eve felt remorse she actually felt good about it and served the fruit to an unknowing Adam. So God feels that he needs to kill something to pay for Adam and Eve making a judgement error. This is viewed as a loving God?? Then the claim Christianity makes is that God decides that his blood thirst must be quenched by impregnating a human with himself and then causing a few men to kill him (even though he can't die) but to kill the human body God is inhabiting. This Makes God feel so good about mankind that if people invoke the name of the human form of God they can get forgiveness and eternal life from God. This doesn't sound the least bit unbelievable?Your claim is that God wants to "purge the world of evil" so why is this God powerless to do so. Why does God need thousands of years to succeed in a task that should be a snap for the creator of everything? Why can't God just have the world that he is trying to create. This makes no sense if you want to purge the world of evil then just do it! Unless I am the only one making sense knowing that God is imaginary and has no power to change anything in the world.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Bob, if I told you not to kick my dog, and you kicked my dog, would you then know that you had gone against me putting yourself in danger of retribution? Come on, Bob, you are smarter than the way you are asking questions, you can figure things out yourself. God told Adam directly not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam knew it was wrong because God said don't do it. Eve was tricked into believing God was being selfish denying her of something good, and she handed the forbidden fruit she was eating to her husband. Adam loved Eve too much, more than life, and ate knowing the judgment of God would be for his death. That is why they covered themselves and hid, trying to keep themselves safe....like you are doing now, Bob, always trying to cover yourself and keep yourself safe; in your imagination covering yourself in utter darkness of death thinking you are safe in it. Your sin brings death, Adam's sin brought death and you are a sinner like him under death penalty, walking in death, on death row, and trying to blame God for allowing you to exist as a sinner and forcing you to die. God is offering you pardon through the blood of His Son who He gave to cover your sins so you can be forgiven in His resurrection and all you do is spit in His face with vile and dirty minded perverted insults.The love of God for you is proven in the fact that He took on human form to die for you, Bob. Even though you insult Him and dishonor Him every way you can think of, He still loves you and wants you to know His forgiveness in that He conquered death so you can be spared from judgment you deserve. Jesus did not deserve to die, Bob, you do. He died for you because He loves you that much, and He has every right to leave you in Hell with your own death forever if all you are going to do is trample His blood under your feet and spit in His face and smear your atheistic dung in other people's faces trying to convince them by your smile that it's all good. You're insane, Bob. If you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you are going to find yourself in Hell a lot sooner than you think...much too soon no matter how long you can keep smiling now, Bob. You have failed to murder God, failed to disprove that Jesus Christ is LORD, and are only succeeding in sealing your own condemnation. Your blood is on your own head, Bob.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

I would like you to think of a small child that doesn't know good from evil. How do we teach them right from wrong? We reward the right and we punish the wrong. Until you have been punished how do you know that you have done wrong? If the punishment is death you would never learn anything, LOL I guess if that is love I'm glad I didn't love my children in a godly way. If God is all Good and all knowing then why would God put the Tree with the knowledge of good and Evil and the Tree of Life with Adam and Eve if God knew they would try the fruit. Then God would punish mankind for all future generations because it is a loving God, LOL. That would be like me putting my toddler in a room and throwing a cyanide capsule in the room telling them not to eat it, knowing that when they found it they would put it in their mouth since they have no knowledge of poison. It's a whole different type of love. So if we fast forward God loves mankind so much that God kills everyone but 8 people but doesn't change things in any way and mankind goes on the same path of self destruction in God's eyes. Now let's not look at the tiny location of the world where the authors of the Old Testament lived. The remainder of the world knew nothing of that God. It doesn't take much reasoning ability to know that God is found only in the imaginations of the group who created that God. That explains why there are so many different Gods and ways to worship gods. There is no universal belief in God because God is found in the imagination of the believer and therefore different from imagination to imagination.Why does this loving God have such a blood thirst that only though a violent murder can God offer forgiveness. I find the Love in this obscured by the whole violent murder part. Why would God be so impressed by the ability of man to murder an innocent man that God would offer forgiveness because of the act? You said that false religions are self evident and after reading the Bible I can totally agree with your statement. If Gods were a real thing I would not be an atheist.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Your blood is on your own head, Bob. Jesus paid for your sins so you can be forgiven and saved from Hell, but you want to pay for yourself in death and it's eternal in Hell. I cannot show you, God will. Wait and see if you won't believe and will demand proof from God.LOL all you can Bob, I guess that makes you feel powerful. LOL. LOL. LOL. Yuk it up, Bob.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Bob, you are again trying to paint God as not being good by implying His self-sufficiency is self-gratifying. God is three persons in One, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. He is love, always loving, love flowing always from the Father for the Son, and for the Holy Spirit, and always from those other two for the other two. It is not "a state of self-gratification". It is a state of love. You are the one trying to be self-gratifying in convincing yourself that your death is ok so you embrace it as your relief from pain and suffering. Death won't get you out, Bob.You are not thinking outside of the box of the minds of men for your scenario, so of course you are having difficulty hearing what is being said and you are twisting what is being said trying to validate your own inception of believing you escape punishment in death.You have to try to understand the mind of God. If you will honestly do this and quit twisting things to try to convict Him of not being good, you will find Him delighting to show you mercy. I'm trying to help, but you have to try for yourself.....for your own self-preservation instincts...why in the world do you want death to take you out of existence? Don't you like being you?
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

So how long was God existing full of love prior to creation? What did this God love prior to creation? I'm trying to think outside of the Box here. What changed with the way God was forever prior to creation?
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

I'm not so sure you are trying to think outside the box. I answered these questions repeatedly....here's the answer again which you seem to be ignoring ........Bob, you are again trying to paint God as not being good by implying His self-sufficiency is self-gratifying. God is three persons in One, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. He is love, always loving, love flowing always from the Father for the Son, and for the Holy Spirit, and always from those other two for the other two. It is not "a state of self-gratification". It is a state of love. You are the one trying to be self-gratifying in convincing yourself that your death is ok so you embrace it as your relief from pain and suffering. Death won't get you out, Bob.......God has never changed, Bob, He always is and always will be God. He loves you and wants you to trust Him to save you from Hell. You keep trying to imply He is selfish or not good or not loving. As long as you are doing that, you will be setting yourself against Him and making yourself repulsive to Him. You say you are trying to think outside the box, but I see no sign of that when you ask questions for which the answer was given in the previous post, but you act like you didn't see it and just keep on trying to say God is selfish or unkind or not good. You can't expect Him to continue arguing with you forever and not to run out of patience and let you go your own way into Hell. That's the road you are on, Bob, you are not thinking outside of the box, the box is your coffin and you are dead in it, dead set in your ways, and in danger of eternal dying in the fire of Hell. You need to rethink what you are doing to yourself.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

I got thinking about your scenario here. I felt that a reply from an atheist point of view would be enlightening. Now when it comes to dealing with these evil punks. If I had the power of a divine being, I would not kill them I would make their lives as terrible as I could causing them pain and suffering every day that they committed evil acts. If they were truly remorseful and desired to not be evil anymore I would stop causing them pain and that would be the same for all. evil acts would be followed by pain and suffering either emotional or physical depending on the evil act. The evil people would be treated like Job, LOL (Oh that's right the loving God in the story treated a loving follower that way)
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

You went through a terrible perversion of God's plan for mankind, but you did hit on pretty much all points of the story. You are simply taking the devil's position of blaming God for allowing his creatures free will, allowing them to do, say, and think evil to go against God. (sometimes I like to say "stupid" instead of "evil" , but really it's evil and often not stupid but rather diabolical). I'll try to take you slowly through, try to get you to look at things through God's perspective rather than doing what you are doing and using the devil's lines against God basically accusing God of not being good, insisting that if He punishes evil then He cannot be good because He created beings which could do evil....so how can God blame them for being evil? So the devil tries to make God abscond His throne and bow to him.....and that's what you are trying to do, Bob.And why do you seem to be ignoring the video I asked you to watch of my dear friends, Brother Case and his wife, which I recommended you watch after you asserted nobody with a terminal diagnosis is happy when they are told the diagnosis is terminal. Brother Case is one of many I know other than myself who are terminally diagnosed and still rejoicing in hope awaiting God's undeniable fulfilling of His promises of good things beyond comprehension for those who love Him.You are hanging around the wrong crowd, and you sure did a good job getting your wife in deeper by exposing her fake faith.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

I did watch the video you suggested. Brother Case seems sincere in his conviction. Like you that is not evidence for God it just shows that some people can create a alternate reality that they can enjoy without any outside evidence required. I'm not claiming that it is bad. It definitely makes mortality much more bearable in you can convince yourself that you are in some way immortal. Not everyone is that comfortable with their alternate reality.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Well it proves that people with a fatal diagnosis can rejoice. Once again, you are wrong.You are the one trying to create an alternative reality in which you hope to be freed from pain and suffering by death. I don't see how hoping to un-exist can make mortality more bearable, but you go on and run with it as long as you can if that's what makes you feel better. It seems to me that hoping to un-exist would be an encouragement to suicide any time the trials of life seem overwhelming...or even hoping to become a ghost or be reincarnated or go to purgatory or even believing you can blast your brains into heaven is an encouragement to suicide....but knowing where you are going and who you are going to see, and knowing that He suffered long in my place and can take me through it, enduring the pain for the joy that lies ahead, I can go through it all following Him...so I take up my cross daily and follow Him, as He went through it and is taking me through it; already took me through it, He owns me and it's finished, He did it for me, He is my life, I have eternal life and knowing it fills me with love for you, for all who hate me, hope of heaven, and peace of mind no matter how hard things can be....and they have been very hard the past few days, keeping me silent...but I'm back and God is still on the throne, He never forsakes His own.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

I didn't say that it was impossible to rejoice in the face of death, I said that in my world were death is common place rejoicing in the face of death is very rare for Christians who according to the belief are headed to a better place. This should always be a happy occasion. You make it sound as though knowing that you will no longer exist after death is the easy way to face mortality. Knowing that you will no longer exist is just the reality of the situation if I were looking for an easy way to face mortality I would believe that some magical imaginary being has a magical world outside of the one we live in where you can live forever in peace and harmony. If there was any way that If there were any thing that was believable in religion I would also take the easy path to immortality.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

You said you have never seen anybody happy when given a terminal diagnosis. Now you have.Believing you will no longer exist in death is hoping in meaninglessness, believing in futility, worthlessness.Your hope in non-existence is a false hope, a cop-out in which you hope to escape from yourself. You don't get off the hook like that, Bob, you don't get to opt-out of existence if you believe it or not. You will find out, won't you? You think you know? Psalm 14:1-6
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

In twenty years of discussion with the religious NO ONE has ever shown any evidence that there is anything but non existence after death. No credible evidence for Heaven, Hell, afterlife, a soul that lives separate from the living body. All that the religious can offer is "you'll find out after your dead" The reason the intelligent people that created Christ and God set it up that way is so that the weaker minded people would not be able to argue the existence. I would have done the same thing if I wanted to have power over the weak minded people in my social group. Offer some verifiable evidence and I would follow the religion which the evidence backed.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Keep on believing this, Bob, and keep on believing you cannot be separated from God by your sin and you can't be executed in death and left in Hell forever as an enemy of God.You might want to state your beliefs more forcefully and repeatedly as long as you can breathe, then find out for yourself if what you believe is true. You have totally failed to convince me of anything you believe as you have no solid evidence to present, only belief in things you can only prove for yourself by dying...and that's easy for any old fool, Bob.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

I do believe that I am separated from God! Since God is imaginary and my imagination has no Gods in it I would say that I am separated from God. I have not only stated my beliefs but I have challenged your God to see who is more powerful. To date for the record I exist and change the world around me. Your God has been too impotent to have even the slightest effect on the world around me. I am not offering propaganda to convince to believe what I believe I am giving you the reality of my world. An I try to understand the reality of your faith based world. It is very interesting when facts contradict faith to see how the faithful rationalize these things. This week I have seen three people die, none went with a smile or terror two just declined in health until their bodies stopped working, the other walked to the nurses station and went back to his room and collapsed dead. I saw no evidence of anything other than nonexistence. This is my reality. I pay attention to the world around me absorbing all that is real. I don't have a vivid imagination as many people do. I enjoy the time I have as it is limited. I could have hours remaining I could have decades but the one thing you can count on is that I will work to make each day the happiest that it can be. That's what this old fool does, LOL