azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

First, I didn't see the any in your definition, my bad. But either way, animals don't work like ideas, so birth is different. Your definition makes birth happen multiple times for animals, kind of strange.Second:World English Dictionarybirth (bɜːθ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide] — n1. the process of bearing young; parturition; childbirthRelated: natal2. the act or fact of being born; nativity3. the coming into existence of something; origin4. ancestry; lineage: of high birth5. noble ancestry: a man of birth6. natural or inherited talent: an artist by birth7. archaic the offspring or young born at a particular time or of a particular mother8. give birth a. to bear (offspring) b. to produce, originate, or create (an idea, plan, etc) — vb9. to bear or bring forth (a child) Related: natal When I looked up the definition of birth I found a slight difference. It appears you have to go to obscure sources to get the word any to show up in the definition. You wouldn't be cheating at all with your definitions would you?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You agreed that it is a child in the womb, remember?Can you explain how a child got to be in the womb of it's mother.... if it has not come into existence yet? You are refuting your own claims and you don't even seem to realize it.EDIT: The definition that you provided yourself says BIRTH9. to bear or bring forth (a child)So, the logical question is.... "If not at and by conception, When was the fetal child in the womb "brought forth" into existence?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I say that not all coming into existence is birth. You say I agree that it is a child in the wombat conception. Then you want me to explain how the fetus doesn't come into existence. I don't care if it came into existence, I don't think it is a birth. The child is brought forth when it leaves the womb.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The child is brought forth when it leaves the womb.This is so much fun...Ummm If the child was not brought forth at & by conception.... can you tell me how he or she came to BE (think existence) inside the womb?(Booooom! You just torpedoed your own battleship)
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Again, you use your own fake definitions to convince yourself that you are right. I wonder why it doesn't work on anyone else.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Oh great, now everyone is going to see that I have managed to infiltrate Webster's, Oxford, Stedman's, Mosbys and the Find Law Legal Dictionarys with my fake definitions...What will I ever do to recover from this? (sarcasm font)
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Webster's - no mention of coming into existenceOxford - "the beginning or coming into existence of something" no mention of the word anyStedman's - couldn't findMosbys - couldn't findFindlaw - legal dictionary doesn't define birthInteresting how I can't find your definition. How are you not using a fake definition?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Your allegations against me were not limited to my use of the word born. You made the claim that I was inventing definitions period. When, all I actually do is quote existing definitions (from those and other sources) and I invite readers to examine the definitions for themselves. You still haven't answered my questions - by the way. You and I agree that a human fetus is a child in the womb. How did the child physically get there? What was their point of origin?How and when did they begin to exist? The definition that YOU provided says:BIRTHWorld English Dictionary1. the process of bearing young; parturition; childbirthRelated: natal2. the act or fact of being born; nativity3. the coming into existence of something; origin4. ancestry; lineage: of high birth5. noble ancestry: a man of birth6. natural or inherited talent: an artist by birth7. archaic the offspring or young born at a particular time or of a particular mother8. give birtha. to bear (offspring)b. to produce, originate, or create (an idea, plan, etc)— vb9. to bear OR bring forth (a child)So, the logical question is.... "If not at and by conception, When was that child in the womb first "brought forth" into existence?Of course, I already know that a child in born at conception in those respects - even according to the definitions that you provided... The question is now about your honesty and ability to recognize the same.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

If I say you never do something, all you have to do is show ONE time that did that thing. If I say that you use fake definitions, I only have to show ONE time that you did that. You have the word any added to your definition, so ...
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

As anyone can see by the arguments... That your claim is already being refuted. You are the one being dishonest - by refusing to concede a point when a point (using your own definition) has been made.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

So far, the only time you argued that anyone can see by the arguments that you were winning, you were informed multiple times that you were wrong. You want to go 0-2?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You are being dishonest by refusing to answer the questions that (you already know) will support my argument that conception is the birth of a child too and that parturition is only a birth in aspect of the already existing child being delivered from the womb.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I said that coming into existence for animals is not their birth. You can claim otherwise, but you are wrong.I had no idea what your agenda was. I had no idea how to answer your completely off topic and worthless question so I interpreted it differently.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

So the definitions are wrong and you are right? Dude... you were even proven wrong by the very definition that you provided. You're just too blinded by your own prejudices to see it.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

My definition did not falsely claim that EVERY conception is a birth like your incorrect definition did. So, you would be wrong. The coming into existence described in my definition does not apply to animals.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

The coming into existence described in my definition does not apply to animals.Yes. It does.You have failed so far to show how it excludes them.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

We already have a definition of birth that applies to animals. I see why you are confused now.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

See above... you've dodged my questions again.The definition that you provided actually supports my claim that conception marks the birth of an organism - in the sense that conception (not parturition) is when the child comes into existence (being), conception (not parturition) is when the new organism's life begins and conception (not parturition) is when it's life begins. You are the one who is confused by all of that... not me.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Let's just use birth to mark all of the stages of life so that it is a worthless word. At conception it's the birth of organism. At parturition it's the actual birth, that normal people use, and only abnormal people want to use birth for other things. Then when the baby transitions to solid food, it will be the birth of a solid food eating person. Then when the baby walks, the birth of a bipedal person. Then when the kid is old enough for school, the birth of the learning person. Then when the person is old enough to drive, the birth of the driver. What other births should we mark?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

What's wrong with using birth to mark the beginning or origin of an organism instead of just the animal's emergence from the womb?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

And use it for eating, walking, driving, etc. Let's make the word mean everything.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

What's wrong with using birth to mark the beginning or origin of an organism instead of just the animal's emergence from the womb? And use it for eating, walking, driving, etc. Let's make the word mean everything. Why are you dodging my question by using an appeal to ridicule? It's a valid question and I'm asking it earnestly.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

So, you agree that it is ridiculous to use the word birth for something other than being born from the womb, but I am the bad guy.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I don't think it is ridiculous at all to use the word birth in the right context to mark the beginning or the origination of anything. That's what the word is for.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Bring forth means To give birth to (young).
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Bring forth means To give birth to (young).  Very good!Now explain how the child (young of their parents) came to be ( to exist) in their mother's womb prior to their birth.Can you do that?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You want to know about the birds and the bees now? Aren't you old enough to figure that out?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Let me try a more direct approach. 1. "A successful conception bring a new organism (in this case a human) into existence." True or False? 2. Asked another way: "Conception is the beginning of a new organism's physical being and of their life as such." True or False?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I am confused, I think I ignored you too much. Can you help me get back on track? What is the definition of fetus?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

"brought forth" into existenceNobody uses this phrase charlatan.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

"brought forth" into existenceNobody uses this phrase charlatan."Someone needs a snickers..."Brought into existence" is the very same thing.... Better?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Please describe how being able to quickly change what you say to fit what you want it to mean falls under the honest category.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I asked you first. If you would just explain how the child (young of their parents) came to be (to exist) in their mother's womb prior to their birth. That would be great.Can you do that?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Not to your satisfaction. This is not a health class, so we shouldn't be talking about sex here.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Do you think your evading the questions that get to the root of your denials is actually helpful to your side of the debate? Why are you trying so hard to deny the fact that conception originates a new organism? That conception is the beginning of that new organism's life and physical existence? That conception is in that respect, the birth of a new organism? Why does that fact bother you so much?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I don't understand how you can sit there and try to twist the word birth "popping out of a vagina" into something that it isn't using terminology I don't agree with. If I say birth is not the coming into existence, how is proving when something comes into existence proving birth. You are making huge leaps that don't make sense.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

It's not a twist and your evasiveness shows that you know it's not a twist. The definition that you provided yourself - proves against your denials. Any intellectually honest person can see for themselves how conception is the birth (origination, beginning) of an organism and that parturition is the delivery of that already existing organism from the womb.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

It is intellectually dishonest to only be able to use the word parturition for the word birth. I feel sorry for you because you are not able to communicate like a normal person.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

It is intellectually dishonest to only be able to use the word parturition for the word birth. I feel sorry for you because you are not able to communicate like a normal person.So, we have the word parturition in our dictionaries because....?Why?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

why do we have the word conception? Birth means the exact same thing according to you? Why do we have the word fetus? Child means the same thing to you. You are the one not using words.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You are being dishonest again - because I'm not trying to claim that they are exactly the same at all. I am only trying to get you to agree to the fact that conception is the birth of an organism in the sense that conception is when it comes into being (existence) and in sense that conception is when (and how) the organism was originated. You can't do it though.... and I think that's both funny and helpful to support my claims about your prejudices and your denials.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

You are trying to replace conception with birth. You have failed to show that you see these words as different.You can't do it though.... and I think that's both funny and helpful to support my claims (about your prejudices and denials).Of course I can't do it. At least one of us should be right. If I change sides we are both wrong.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

1. I am not trying to replace one with the other at all. As I just explained to you above... "Conception" is the birth of an organism in the sense that ""conception" is when the organism first comes into existence (being) and conception is when and how the organism was originated. I still completely agree that the organisms isn't born in the sense that it hasn't emerged yet from the womb.... that moment doesn't come until several weeks later.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

The only reason to talk this way is to be dishonest, sorry.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The dishonesty is in your want to deny a point when a point has been made. You won't even agree that semantically it can be said that conception is the birth of a new organism - even though you know it's much more than just a semantic case that can be made.So, You are the one being dishonest about it. Not me.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

A new organism is born before it is born? You want me to accept that or I am dishonest. I guess I will remain smart but be a liar. You can continue to be an honest idiot.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

A new organism is born in the sense that it originates, comes comes into being, begins, etc. at conception. That same organism is born again at parturition when it finally emerges from the womb. You can continue to fool yourself into believing that is not the case but then you have to explain it - (at least to yourself) how the child can be in the womb if it hasn't even come into existence, yet.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

We have been debating so long, I thought we were in a different debate. We are trying to determine if a fetus is a human being. What is the definition of fetus?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The question was do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?You have shown that you can cut and paste definitions before... so why can't you answer the question for yourself? If you conclude anything other than the fact that a human being in the embryonic or fetal stage of their life can be called an embryo and or a fetus? Let me know.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

You have shown that you can cut and paste definitions before... so why can't you answer the question for yourself? I am confused at why you don't want to answer.If you conclude anything other than the fact that a human being in the embryonic or fetal stage of their life can be called an embryo and or a fetus? Let me know.I believe human embryos and fetus are human.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

1. One of my aunts is a teacher. She helped me to understand that one of the best ways to teach someone something is for (someone) to help them to discover their answers for themselves. 2. So do I. So, when (if not at conception) did those embryonic / fetal human beings originate? When did they begin to exist?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

1. I guess your Aunt made you a dishonest person then.2. The fetus originates at conception.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

1. You have yet to show how I have been dishonest in any of my posts.2. Yep. it sure does.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

1. You said you were dishonest. If I tell you, you will find some dishonest reason to claim you are not dishonest, so there is no reason for me to describe it to you.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I have shown how you are the one being dishonest in how you both cherry pick your definitions and how you refuse to accept that conception is the birth of a new organism. Never mind the fact that birth is a synonym of the word conception. Right?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

You are guilty of cherry picking definitions as well.Never mind the fact that birth is a synonym of the word conception. Right?We already established that you were wrong about this. I will now have to count the overall score as 2-0 me.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Not only do I say both definitions are correct, I showed you how even your definition supports the fact that conception is the birth of an organism in the sense that conception is when the organism comes into being (existence).. when it originates etc. The only thing you have established is how you are able to deny even the most solid facts which prove against your denials - in order to maintain your denials.You are 0-2 not 2-0.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

At worst I am 1-0-1 because conception and birth are not synonyms. You apply every definition so someone is born 50 times. That's dumb. I don't apply a bad definition when a better one exists, sorry.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

At worst I am 1-0-1 because conception and birth are not synonyms Are you claiming that the thesaurus is wrong? Main Entry:  beginning Part of Speech: noun Definition: origin, cause Synonyms: antecedent, birth, conception, egg, embryo, font, fount, fountain, fountainhead, generation, genesis, germ, heart, principle, resource, root, seed, stem, well You should quit while you are ahead.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

No, we already established that you can't read, there is no reason to continue, you didn't get it the first time.The thesaurus is not wrong, you are.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

So, when you see conception and birth listed side by side as synonyms for the word beginning (an aspect of both those two words).... you conclude that they are not in fact synonyms...How?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I feel I should stop, but I will explain it to you again.conception and beginning are synonyms. birth and beginning are synonyms. You cannot draw the conclusion that birth and conception are synonyms. That conclusion is invalid.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The words birth and conception are synonyms for the word beginning. True. So, when a child is conceived their life has began and that qualifies it as a birth in that respect. (namely, the origin and beginning of the child)You are the one who can't understand the applicability of the word.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I disagree, I believe you are breaking the rules. Let's leave it at that.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I'm not going to leave it at anything. Conception is the birth (beginning) of a new organism. It's a biological fact. It's why contraceptives are called birth control and abortions are not.Think about that for a minute.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Conception is the beginning of a new organism.Adding a word makes you wrong.Abortions are birth control as well.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

By your own declaractions birth is when the child emerges from the womb. One would assume that would include children who are surgically removed (c-section) born children...So, why wouldn't that include children who are surgically removed by an abortion procedure? One is just as born as the other... aren't they? Though, it's true... an aborted child is born into the hands of their murderer.... they are still born in the same sense that a c-section delivered child is born.... right? So, tell me. How is an abortion birth control?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Ok, you are right. An abortion causes the fetus to be born, it just doesn't survive. You are also correct that a fetus isn't born until after the abortion.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Ok, you are right. An abortion causes the fetus to be born, it just doesn't survive. You are also correct that a fetus isn't born until after the abortion.That's true but only in regard to it's parturition (emergence from the womb).Unless you are claiming that Parturition is also when the child's physical existence and life began? You are still running from the fact that they were born in that sense - much earlier.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

You're weird.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You're weird.I'm also correct and (especially now) I know that I am correct. Thanks for helping me to refine my arguments.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I tell you you're wrong. You come back with the same argument. Literally the same over and over again. It's getting weird now.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I showed you how the words conception and birth are synonyms of one another where the beginning of something is concerned. Your telling me that I am wrong does not change the fact that I am right. Conception begins a new creature's life and existence.... You don't really deny that as fact. What you deny is that it (conception) is a birth in any sense of the word. That makes you a fool. When a fool thinks that I am weird? Well duh!It doesn't take much to fascinate a fool.