azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"I feel that the fact that they are still on the map does not mean that they were or are successful.They all lack basic freedom from overbearing governmental interference in their personal lives"...in your opinion that is."England is my favorite though! They are 11 months closer to total collapse than we are."Have any sources to back that wild claim up??
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Only that of Daniel Hannan! Only that of Daniel Hannan! Only that of Daniel Hannan! Is that 50 characters? : )
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Who the heck is he, and why should I care what he has to say (whatever that is)?? BTW, your "debate" style is quite pathetic.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Daniel Hanan is a member of the European Union. You should care because he is from UK so he has a dog in the hunt, he is very intelligent, and because I think your smart enough to look it up if your really interested.You are right that my last message was a bit on the lame side.....it was meant as a bit of a light hearted comment with a tiny bit of humor.One more thing..I was the one that voted up your response! No reason we cant have some fun here man.Thanks for your response!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Actually I would argue that my "opinion" has nothing to do with my statement . I would say that there is plenty evidence to back that up.Would you argue that citizens in Europe have the same level of freedom from intrusive government that we have here in the US?I would argue thats it not even close even in the UK which is the closest thing Europe has to freedom.Thanks for your response.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"I would say that there is plenty evidence to back that up."Well, let's see it then."Would you argue that citizens in Europe have the same level of freedom from intrusive government that we have here in the US?"Yes, and, in some cases, even more in certain countries. But don't take my word for it. In reality, the social democracies of Northern Europe are the freest societies in the world according the UN. The UN's Human Freedom Index compares the amount of freedom that citizens of different countries enjoy. It considers the right to travel, assemble, and speak; the absence of forced labor, torture and other extreme legal punishment (such as the death penalty); freedom of political opposition, the press and trade unions; an independent judiciary; gender equality; and the legal right to trial, counsel of choice, privacy, religion and sexual practice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Human_Development_Report_2009.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Democracy_Index_2008.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2009_Freedom_House_world_map.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Civil_liberties_world.PNG
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

BTW I checked your links out anyways. I did not want to be unwilling to at least look at your research. I need your opinion on something.To me the data seemed vague and could be used to prove either point. Your input on this please.Thanks for your patients
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"To me the data seemed vague and could be used to prove either point."Most of the graphs that I've shown you show that much of Europe is as free as the USA, and one of the graphs (Democracy Index 2008.png) shows that small portions of Europe (mostly northern Europe & a few of the smaller countries in west-central Europe...and even Canada & Australia!) are actually more free than the USA. This jives very nicely with my personal experiences & knowledge of these countries. I know it's hard to fathom that America might not be the most free place on Earth (gasp!), especially based on all the propaganda that we see from BOTH major U.S. political Parties & our horrific American media, but it's really not too hard to see if you broaden your experience.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

You and I will just have to disagree brother.I respect your research. Problem is I don't respect your sources. I do not accept the UN as a reliable source of independent research as they as many others have their own agenda. That data will be skewed to their individual points. I know that most resources are that way so I recognize that there will be bias in almost all sources right-left, yours-mine-theirs and so on. That being said...I would not take the UN's word on what time of the day it is. I could argue on almost any point the UN supports but any organization that would try to interfere with a parent/child relationship, believing that they know whats best for the worlds children better than the parent, is way to left for me to have any other opinion about them other than they are attempting to control peoples lives. They have their own agenda for one world government.The UN thinks that if a parent makes their child go to church, or if the try to teach their children religion, regardless of the religion, it is child abuse. Seriously? Nor do I trust Wiki for accurate info as they are built as much on opinion as they are facts.I respect your opinion and your passion I just don't agree with you. Thank you for your time and effort on this debate.Voting you up for you efforts and passion!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Problem is I don't respect your sources. I do not accept the UN as a reliable source of independent research as they as many others have their own agenda."Hey, you don't like the UN. Well, fine, but the UN really doesn't have it in for the USA...they are located IN the USA afterall yanno. I don't agree with everything that the UN says as well, but their graphs are just displays of actual data that they've gathered."I could argue on almost any point the UN supports but any organization that would try to interfere with a parent/child relationship, believing that they know whats best for the worlds children better than the parent, is way to left for me to have any other opinion about them other than they are attempting to control peoples lives."What are you even talking about here??"They have their own agenda for one world government."Oh my, another "one world govt." conspiracy guy...ugh...this isn't going in a very good direction."The UN thinks that if a parent makes their child go to church, or if the try to teach their children religion, regardless of the religion, it is child abuse. Seriously?"Where have they said that?? What does that have to do with the graphs that I've shown you??"Nor do I trust Wiki for accurate info as they are built as much on opinion as they are facts."Ugh...and yet another "I don't trust Wikipedia" person. Look, if you don't like a source that has actual facts, and actual sourced links to back up those facts, then I guess Wiki isn't going to be your cup of tea. The fact is that the links that I gave you were merely links to graphs that are located on Wikipedia but are derived from actual data from actual groups like the UN, the Economist's Democracy Index, and Freedom House. All those original sources are stated, and you can check their own websites to verify the data. It's really not that hard...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

American stock brokers are scraping their teeth on the floor because the system therein allowed them to play with everyones money.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Are you saying that the money that individuals invested was taken from them by force? Of course not sir! Everyone who invests recognizes there are risks and those that don't were dabbling in things they should not have been.A fool and his money are soon parted.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

I'm saying it is rediculous to "buy" value. These multimillion dollar companies are hoarding their money and preventing economic flow. Throw on top "risky" investors whom gamble on hopes and you get a ticking time bomb. The money I spend (emphasis on: s p e n d ) may never return because of this.How am I suppose to feel with my silver spoon stuck in somebody elses mouth?
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Thank you for a response free of accusations, name calling, or abusive sarcasm."...How am I suppose to feel with my silver spoon stuck in somebody else's mouth?" This is an interesting comment coming from a self described socialist.Believe me I feel your silver spoon pain! You have a great perspective on how regular everyday people feel when YOU are robbed by the government to supply others, regardless of who they are, with YOUR silver spoon!Its your silver spoon! You worked for it. You should be able to keep it. And ONLY you should get to make the choice of helping others.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Do you feel like government has or is going to have more control over your life and with what has happened with this admin. Here is a cut and paste from Wiki that defines socialism we are there already and going deeper.Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[1][2][3]
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Do you feel like government has or is going to have more control over your life and with what has happened with this admin."No, but thanks for asking. Under Obama so far, the super-vast majority of people are paying LESS in payroll taxes. We also no longer have an official policy of torturing people, and spying on Americans without due process. That sounds like LESS govt. intrusion to me!"Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production"OK, now how has Obama himself, since he's been in office, taken over "public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production"??
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialism equals lazy

OBAMA IS SO FOR SOCIALISM. People need to stop beating around the bush here.. honestly... Obama speaks for EQUALITY amoung all.. okay that's awesome glad we are all equal. But, at the end of the day.. CAPITALISM is what America is about. If we are all equal no body is going to want to work to be the best. Capitalism creates competition in the work force, the best roofer with the best price wins. Socialism would be like putting 10 roofing companies in a hat, and saying draw one. Completely pointless, and we lose quality work like there is no tomorrow. I wouldn't work for my grades if I was given an A for everything. Same with socialism.. if schools were social then we wouldn't have a valedictorian, we wouldn't have students trying like crazy to get good grades to get into good schools. Socialism= LAZY
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Duh, he was raised as a socialist there is no argument here if you think otherwise then you don't know what socialism is. For Obama the great thing about being a Socialist is that Socialism needs Capitalism in order to work. If you even doubt that he is a socialist you can pull up his audio book on the the dreams of my father Obama himself reads it. Here is a great link that is very well done and accurate. i love this opening statement so I pasted it for your intrigue.People who say Obama is NOT a socialist are either blind or they purposefully don’t want to admit it. He’s made it more than clear that he wants socialist ideas put into practice. We should be very concerned about this!!!!!!!!!!http://bridgetdgms.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/obama-supports-socialism-more-proof/
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"he was raised as a socialist"...which is yet another wild statement made by the likes of you with absolutely ZERO evidence to back it up!Your "quotes" are just more ramblings from the Right-wing blogoshere...nothing more or less...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Britain isn't a socialist and has had a national health service for many years.Only idiots call him socialist..To all you intelligent Americans out there... this is what the world sees as America - these few retards that burn Obama signs and call him socialist, anti-american, anti-christ etc. just for bringing in something that in no way is Socialist.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Have you ever take to an actual Brit or know people who live their. I do. They absolutely hate their health care system. For the most part the hospitals are dirty and the service is horrible even further my friend who lives there got into a bad crash here in American and was thankful she told me for certain that she would have died if she was in Britain.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Bullshit.For the most part NHS is an efficient and extremely useful service. You CANNOT look at the NHS in a tangeable sense. Not only does that mean you're putting prices on lives but it means that you see health only as a monetary thing.Public schools - Are they socialistic?Police service - Is that socialistic?Fire Department - Is that socialistic?Military - Is that socialistic?If no then why is national health systems socialistic?If yes then why don't you argue against those services??
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

You have to look at the definition of Socialism. True Socialism is defined as state owned of an industry and ownership of it's capital. Military, Schools, Police, and most fire not all fire dept are funded by big bro but by tax payers by which the city it is in. The constitutional allows for Government to take roll in protection and to bare arms in defense for our country. The key to Socialism is government having a stake in the profits or a company. Police, Schools and Fire they are not out making money they perform a public service there is no bottom line revenue for Gov to take. Where the problem lies is when they start to take over equities or private sector, GM, the banks, Cap and trade, Your health care single payer system. These are all revenue makers and government having claim in it. Right now the hot topic is Health Care which the bill right now is horrible and it will kill private health care and is all on a single payer system, with no other competition that is true Socialism killing private business to redeem your own. The bill right now as stands does this and Nancy Pelosi has not been shy about saying this. Some Social things we have are fine but what is left? So now they have cars, energy, banks, health care. Combine everything together there is not much left that the Government does not have and the line moves more towards Socialism.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

LOOL!. Wow.The government does not make money from this new health care bill. Infact it isn't even actual national health care. It's just giving poor people the oppurtunity to get healthcare. They're definately not social reforms. lol. You're blinded to the truth by saying that. It's something new in America and the right-wing people are afraid. How does the government have cars, energy and banks? lol. Stop reading right wing propaganda. Read both sides atleast.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

I'm blinded they make money of of it by taxes that they will raise to pay for it that's how Gov makes their money dumb-ass by taxes you should know that. I'm all for giving health care to poor people but the main reason this bill won't pass even though they have a majority Democrat house to pass and they won't get it passed is that it will kill the people who do pay for the private health care by penalizing them 8% and even the CBO has projected 4 millions jobs will be lost if they keep this in the bill. I do read both sides your the blind one. What do you think the CBO or do you even know? There reports and numbers are unbiased just to save you some time from having you go look it up the CBO is the Congressional budget Office and they are put in place by government to give actual data and cost of things they are the main resource I pull from and form what the Government pulls from. I never said It's something new and the Right -wing are afraid you must be quoting somebody else there buddy. I have said that Americans are nervous about it and that is true. Just stick to the subject if you read I'm for a public option but they need to take out the 8% penalty to private. The government owns 30% of GM actually the symbol is no longer Gm it's something else they will always now own GM, the energy do you know anything about the cap and trade bill they want to pass. They do own the citi and part of BofA and also they took over for Fannie and Freddie. Do some homework first before you come back with your lack of knowledge on anything. Lool Wow your pretty ignorant. Your probably young and think you know it all but your clueless.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Oh yeah. They partly own GM. If they hadn't bought shares in it, GM would've been fucking destroyed. Same with citi. You think the government shouldn't have done that? They don't own energy.Tax isn't profit lol. Tax is paid by people to the state to provide services SUCH AS schools. I can't even understand half of what you're saying cause your english is so bad. What you don't understand is that the only way poor people can be given healthcare funded by the government is a hike in taxes - which wouldn't even cause it to be one of the highest taxed countries in the world.What do I care though? It's fucking America. If it does make it a hell hole, the world will be a better place.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

I was just reading some of your stuff. Why do you have so much animosity towards everybody especially America because we are westerners? I want to ask you a fundamental question do you think the 9/11 attacks of our country was wrong? Or what is your feelings about 9/11 and what that means?As far as your comment you don't care if America does not make make it. The world will be a better place. I got one diplomatic response for you. FUCK YOU!!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Wow. Must've taken you a long time to think of that one.9/11 attacks were wrong ofcourse. I don't really care too much about it though. It doesn't make a big part of my thoughts, mentality or attitude. It means fuck all to me. If it happened or if it didn't happen, I don't really care. It's a different world to me. America - Financial, Uptown, Rich etc. Nothing of 9/11 filters down to me. It's what resulted due to 9/11 that I do care about. Don't ask me about 9/11 cause I really don't care. America will not make it. Just like all superpowers past present and future, it has its ups and downs. You just got to worry about how everybody remembers you. Trust me.. it won't be good.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Calling someone else (from one of the USA's best allies no less) a bunch of silly names does NOTHING to further your arguments.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

What the bleep would you know about our system or even have any say in our country on how we operate you live in England. Didn't we just kick your countries ass 233 years ago to get away from your type of Ideology.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Lol idiot. This has nothing to do with 'my say in America' or America's past with Britain. And it wasn't to get away from our type of ideology. HAHAHHA dumbass.. you make me laugh. Not really.. I die a little inside everytime I hear something so stupid and pointless.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Do you realize that the CBO says that it will consume 1/6 of our total economy if passed that is huge and we have no way to pay for it unless they ramp up selling government bonds and raise taxes even more. I have see some other good bills be presented to the house but Nancy and Obama behind closed doors have rebuffed all of them. I even watched last night when a republican wanted to add that even all of the politicians be on the same plan they refused it. The main thing that is holding this up is that the bill has an 8% added tax if you do not take the public option and of course if your are going to get hit with a penalty you will not want to pay and dump yourself and your employers on the public version. Thats why they are even having trouble with their own party that one reason in my opinion is the biggest hold up more than the cost of it. If they take out the 8% penalty to private sector it has a much better chance of getting done. But until they do i don't see this one put together getting through. I'm all for reform but it has got to be done smart and correctly and this one is not it.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

I was from England and all my friends are from England (and a few from Canada) And they all say they love there health care. Its cheaper because you only pay 700 euros (1000 in USD) as aposed to 1000 euros (1500) the private sector has to offer, and the waiting line is only long in Canada because a bunch of dumbass doctors left it in fear they would lose there jobs. In America he have enough doctors so that we could provide the same surice as the private sector.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

OK how many people do you have in England? We have over 300 million and the cost of this bill is going to take 1/6 of our total nations economy. If you love it there so much then why are you here in America? I have several friends from England and they say that your hospitals are shit! This is America we take responsibility for ourselves I don't want us to be like Europe economy we pride ourselves from that that's why this is America. I'm all for reform but not going to the single payer system like they are trying to push through. What pissed my off last night I was watching the rules committee on passing Amendment. One of the Amendments was from a Republican that asked that all Government be on the same plan. Well guess what they voted no on it. There was a majority Democrat so they can say and do what they want. If the health plan is so great then they should be on it as well but they rebuffed it. Fact check dot org by the way is a lobbyist organization that get money from the domocrat party so I don't think they are going to slam the president and bring up his shady friends and mention again that he sealed his records.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Either Way

i agree with that fact that in England, the waiting list is long, but the Health Care companies here in America, there almost as evil as George Bush! All they want is money. I think that now, single payer health care can wait, so long as we don't have to pay so much money for your company to tell you they cant cover your "preexisting" injury. Might not be good now in this eco-mess, but eventually once every think is all good it think it would then be a better time to look into this.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

There are quite a few doctors who say they will leave or retire as soon as socialized medicine becomes practice in America...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

This is just more blind fear-mongering from the Right-wing, and it's not working...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

It isn't just the national healthcare program. It's the countless false promises, the bailouts, the promises that are actually true (but promise something un-American), the "Spread the Wealth" and "Yes We Can".
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Personally, i believe the bible has no place in government. Maybe in private life, but not government. Some people don't believe in God or they believe in other gods or other forms of God (Jewish people, Muslims, Ect.) Personally, a Theocracy is the worst for of government (thats the government that Iran and such has, just because were Christian, doesn't mean we can make it work because were 'better') I know this statement has nothing to do with what you have said about socialism, but America will, and never be a Socialist nation. Simply because there is no proof Obama is a Socialist.