Debate: Creationism vs. Evolutionism
Side: evolutionism

Okay to start off, the Devonian era spans from about 416 – 359 million years ago and pteridosperms were the first plants with real seeds, and these plants came around at the latter part of the Devonian, so I was a bit off there, but still, it is no 6000 years. You don’t seem to be able to open the links I send you so if this doesn’t work, google pteridosperms and click the second result, you should be able to match the url’s anyways. http://www.uni-muenster.de/GeoPalaeontologie/Palaeo/Palbot/seite9.html  . This webpage shows a study on these pteridosperms by the University of Munster in Germany. If you want some evidence of dinosaurs, plants, etc and the general timeline of earth’s history as scientists accept it to be just follow this link http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/prehistoric-time-line/  . And if you can’t open that search “dinosaurs timeline” and go about 6 or 7 results down until you find the result with the url matching the one I gave you. Look through the interactive time line and check out for yourself what’s there. Not only do they reference the generalities of what is going on at the time, but they give specific example of certain creatures or organisms present in those times. Okay for you claim that the bible does not make mistakes, what about the two cases I brought up last time. I will repost both of them and show you how to get to my other link. First off is the bats are not birds as the bible claims them to be. Leviticus 11: 13-19 tells me bats are birds, the word fowl means bird and we know that bats are not birds because they produce milk for their young (key feature of mammals), they do not have feathers, and their wing is anatomically different from a birds, Google image it if you want. I don’t know if you are familiar with the scientific classification of species but bird and bats both belong to the kingdom of Anamalia. Bats and birds both belong to the phylum chordate, meaning they have vertebrae. However birds belong to the class aves while bats belong to the class mammalia. The biological classification of birds and bats proves that bats are not birds, therefore the bible is wrong. The other point I had for the bible making a mistake was Noah’s ark. Now I will link the youtube video again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g  . I can copy and paste it fine so I don’t know why you can’t, but if you still cannot, go to youtube and search “Atheist Comedy – The Great Flood” it should be the first result and is 6:22 long. The parts which have factual content are from 0:00 – 3:23, and two other frames at 6:10 and 6:18 show other facts that support the claim that this story is impossible, and thus fake. Please ignore the terribly annoying voices of the two characters and listen to the facts presented. If it is impossible for noah’s ark to have actually occurred, then the bible did not tell the truth. “You seem to have a major issue with your belief that I am afraid to admit being wrong.” I don’t have a problem with you admitting you are wrong, you are human, and obviously you have been wrong before and admitted it. It’s about people admitting the bible can be wrong and it is not perfect. That’s what most of my arguments are getting to, they are to prove that there are parts of the bible that cannot be true. The bible has faulty facts, history, geology, and biology in it and I am trying to prove that by showing how they contradict scientific discoveries. Just because someone writes something in a book doesn’t make it true, and some of the things in the bible (the cases I am debating above) are not true. My cases are made to discredit the bible so it cannot be used as a rebuttal, such as in the evolution debate. You use the bible to support creationism but it's like a court trial, the bible is your witness and I am trying to discredit him by showing how he does not always tell the truth. Okay for the passage in Job you brought where god describes something that could be an elephant until it mentions it has a ceder -thick tail. The rebuttal I have to this is that it was made up. I can hypothesize this because this is a case where what the book says doesn’t match reality. First off, you can refer back to the timeline I gave you on the national geographic website that shows that’s dinosaurs died out millions of years before primitive humans ever existed. Another thing is that there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. No cave drawings, no evidence of humans hunting dinosaurs (tools marks on bones), no evidence of human remains being found in the same geologic strata as dinosaurs. If you would like to search for some evidence to the contrary be my guest, but you will have a hard time finding it because it just doesn’t exist. There are plenty of stories in medieval Europe of dragons, wizards and witches, but no evidence to support it. Therefore we can conclude that they are simply fiction. The only difference between the medieval stories and Job’s is that Job’s is in the bible so it is given some weight. But the fact remains that there is no physical evidence to support it. PS – no offence intended by the holy crap, just a figure of speech. Anyways since you apparently can’t open the link I sent you I will give it to you again, http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6024&page=5  , to get to it literally copy and paste this into google search “The term "evolution" usually refers to the biological evolution of living things. But the processes by which planets, stars, galaxies, and the universe form and change over time are also types of "evolution." In all of these cases there is change over time, although the processes involved are quite different.”Click the link, 3rd down I think, that matches the url and use the instruction I gave you last time to navigate to the area I was referring to.