azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I picture heaven on earth, and each person has there own mental picture of this. If eve wouldn't have ate the forbidden fruit and got Adam to eat it as we'll, we would be in a life like paradise. Were we new nothing of sin. We would all be naked and not aware that we should be considered wrong. We would live with the wild life, eating fruits and veggies from the earth. We would not eat meat at all. As god created life and in all things we would respect life of all living things. Fish would be the only living thing we would eat. We wouldn't have computers and even power. Life as we know it wouldn't be, and sin would not exist either. But we can't go back and stop eve, so we have to wait until the time comes for this heaven on earth to emerge. Most people fear this time, and some have predicted the day and time in which this would happen, and the time has come and gone a 100 times over. Because the bible says 1000 years, we'll we don't know gods time scale. Nor do I believe that there is a human out there that has discovered the truth the bible holds. You can translate Hebrew to other languages but each time you do you lose some of the real meaning of the basic truth it holds.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

If life isn't perfect, then what's to say it wasn't just a random chance that we are how we are, that things just happen to work as they do?Let us assume that creation has occurred (which has happened with or without a God existing). If there was a God guiding this creation, then it would be fair to say that a more perfect world than our own should be expected to occur. If it was nothing but chance, then you would expect some parts of the universe to be habitable and suitable for life, and the vast majority not to be (as the number of factors required for possible life are great). That is what we have seen. We would expect a combination of both positives and negatives within that life. That is what we have seen. We would expect certain rules, or laws, to arise, which stay constant throughout the universe. This is what we have seen.The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. - Richard Dawkins
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

You quoted Richard Dawkins but he believes in intelligent design. How do you know what perfection is? Describe a universe that is perfect. This intelligent designer does not have to follow what we think is perfect. Nobody can literally discribe a perfect universe.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Richard Dawkins has been one of the most prominent atheist & anti-religious voices of the last twenty years. He does not believe in intelligent design - the quote I used should quite simply show that.How do you know what perfection is?I do not need to. I simply need to show that the current universe is imperfect (there is a single thing wrong with it) and I have shown that we do not live in a perfect universe. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

A video was posted a while ago when he was interviewed about his book. Even he knew that you cannot proven an intelligent designer exists or not.I have read his book. If you dont know perfection how do you know imperfection? If you have shown that you dont know perfection how can you claim the universe is imperfect?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Even he knew that you cannot proven an intelligent designer exists or not.That is a very different statement. You originally claimed that he believed in intelligent design (creation by a God). Now you say that he is saying that you cannot disprove the existent of a God (intelligent designer). Which do you claim he believes?And if you managed to read his entire book, and not realise that he was an atheist, I honestly worry for you.If you dont know perfection how do you know imperfection?Because I see pain and suffering in the world. I see people with so much pain and suffering that they would rather stop their existence. But I also see that things can be so much better. In a perfect world, everything would be better, but we do not live in a perfect world. That's quite indisputable really.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

God Ben I have no clue what I am talking about. I am just trying to learn as much as I can. I lost my initail point. I am arguing for the opposite side. Quite hard. Arguing for intelligent design is hard. I have no idea how to perfectly argue for it.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Arguing for intelligent design is hard. I have no idea how to perfectly argue for it.*Unless you use circular "logic", fake data, information cut out of context or arguments from ignorance then there is no way how to argue pro-ID.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Fake? I dont think so. It is on the same plane as all your theoretical theories.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

No it's not. You obviously don't eve know what is the "theory" in scientific context.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Explain it to me and explain how each theory is 100% true. I wanna see some wormholes or something spectacular. I wanna see the theoretical things become true go ahead. Explain it. It is all theories.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

proof of quantum physics works:Quantum Computerhttp://www.dwavesys.com/en/dwhomepage.htmlQuantum Teleportationhttp://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view project.php?id=2862General Theory of Relativity -all GPS satellites uses algorithm to compensate the difference between speed of time on Earth and in the satelitehttp://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html  I assume that you have heard about Gravitational lensing or heard about nuclear bomb.Are you sure that Creatards may offer something equal?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I know of that. I am talking about all the stuff you mentioned about the start of the universe.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

CMB is a good piece of evidence for big bang theory :)
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I know earth life isnt perfect but if it was what would it even look like?So your point is that all-mighty perfect creator of everything creating imperfect world just to be more fun?Is your argument that tsunamis and earthquakes that kill thousands of people in one day are just for the fun. Oh well, if God made Earth perfect, what would it be like? :)Well to give you a hint what would it look like: it would certainly be a place where people don't kill each other over a horse shit like religion beliefs!Here you have a question, let see if you can answer: if God created universe and all the laws in the universe, than God have ultimately created good and evil as well. Tell me than why God created all the evil that exist in the world?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Why are you asking me about the Christian God? I am talking an intelligent designer. Not God. Also we may never know its purpose. Science has not even gotten to the first step of life and even when they do something must have came before that and something must have created the item. Darwinian methods of survival is what runs our planet. You cant ask me abkut evil if that has nothing to do with my entire argument.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

You cant ask me abkut evil if that has nothing to do with my entire argument.So you mean that evil is perfect since it is part of the fine tuning and made by intelligen designer? It means that I can peak out an eye out of your skull just for the fun of watching it and you will accept it because the world is fine tuned as it is and an intteligent creator created my sadistic tendency as well?No I was not talking about "christian god" i was talking about your "fine tuning" and intelligent designer.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You still dont get the idea. The creator just made the universe and thats it. Evil is for humans. Death is for humans or any organism that understands it. You keep mentioning all of these human characteristics of the creator I speak of when all I said is that he spawned the universe and thats it. Never did I say he made humans. Never did I say he made thoughts or emotions or good or evil. Who cares how the creator acts the only thing I am arguing for is that one may exist regardless of his morals or what humans deem it as.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Only one who don't get the idea is you young lady.I am not giving any characteristics to your creator! What you don't obviously understand is that all the good and evil that exists is ultimately created by your creator. Explicitely or implicitly. Even if he jsut sparkled the big ban and nothing else, so has he created universe like it is. I just asked if all of those things I mentioned are what you consider to be fine tuning in universe? It does not give any characteristics to your creator. So please meditate and answer the questioni, or realize you are not able, nor will ever be able to answer it.Also that "fine tuning" was your argument that an intelligent creator must be behind. Why would "fine tuning" at all imply an intelligent creator. Why wouldn't universe exist without a creator such as god and still be fine tuned?Tell us also who created your creator.Now try to answer those questions, and not to talk about me having ideas or not having ideas as you have done since I addressed you from the first time.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

How in the world do you logically create an eternal and ever existing being? You should know that is impossible.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

How in the world do you logically create an eternal and ever existing being? You should know that is impossible. You don't. It exists on its own. Forever. That is the point :-). Why would that be impossible? Give me a LOGICAL reason.According to your logic than God has to be created as well. What created God?You accused me of thinking in human terms; but it is exactly what you are doing all the time. You assume that EVERYTHING has to be created. Sometimes you have get out of the box and think differently.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Yes yes*
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

This is a very good point. Many scientists agree with this.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Thanks. That means a lot to me.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Who exactly please name some and list list their works. I'm very interested :D
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I read a book called 'The case for a creater', not to be one of the people who always asks people to read books. Many well respected Scientists are theists. The book is about this guy who was atheist and was hoping he was right. He looked at it from a non bias view and came to the conclusion that there was a designer. The book also shows how many atheist's "proofs" are very fake.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Fake Atheists converts are usually specialty of Islam but fanatical Christians make similar stuff. Debunking proofs never said and so...
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

See what happens when you die. THEN you can be sure of your faith. Fake atheist? So he was faking it for 30 years? That took some effort?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Week ago I saw on Youtube "Conversion video" of atheist "Czech Scientist" woman converting to Islam. She had no East European accent, spoken clear Londoners English. Same video I found titled "German business woman" converted to the Islam or "Norwegian Noble prize winner" converted to Islam, still same chick...There are video where "atheists" being converted into random religions in 30 seconds...Same shit has been done by communists. You always find and idiot who pays for that book or video...
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

....The book disproved many a theroy. Believe what ever you want, really. There isn't much hope for you.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Name some disproved >theroy< :D
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The Miller's experiment, which tried to prove that life can happen by chance. First off, he made a combination of chemicals that don't even match what scientists believe earth was like when life began. His experiment made amino acids which he claimed as proof that life started by itself. It turn's out the chemical was about as lifeless as cynide. So even in his forged earth, life could not start itself.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Nice try idiot:After Miller's death in 2007, scientists examining sealed vials preserved from the original experiments were able to show that there were actually well over 20 different amino acids produced in Miller's original experiments. That is considerably more than what Miller originally reported, and more than the 20 that naturally occur in life.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

That's a bit harsh, dickhead. I'm not that old you know.If you want to here the atheist bias side of the book, go to,http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_doland/creator.html
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

One can't be an atheist because they don't want to be accountable to something they don't believe in. That would, itself, require a belief in god, which precludes atheism.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Everyone knows there is a God. It is written on your conscience. And evident in nature. And is seen in others. But consciences are easily dulled.Have you ever investigated God, with a reasonable effort, as if you really and truely wanted to know?If you adopted it without proving there isnt a God, then your not really an atheist. Your conclusions are not based on a belief saying "you don't believe God exists." You are an atheist because it's convenient to be absent of God. And you choose not to find out. To "believe" something it implies you investigated all the sides and evaluated both theories, and through your own reasonable effort you have concluded your position, and that IS what you believe! You can't believe something is true or not true without truely believing the other is false. And you can't differentiate truth from false without investigating both theories in an objective way. That's NOT belief! Belief is CONVINCED. Convinced only comes through true investigation!So you may be an atheist because you choose to be one, or because you want to be, but believing isn't a passive activity, its an activity that end in being convinced! Being convinced doesn't come by accepting another's view. Thats just following the beliefs of someone elses, and they typically didn't put out effort to be convinced either. So your assumption is based off anothers assumption, and all the way down the line!This debate affords the opportunity to be formally convinced.And even to convince us! Believing is a conviction, conviction is convinced, convinced is firm and no beliefs come without a truely objective investigation. And that effort determines what you believe! Otherwise it's an assumption not a belief! So you assume there is no God.You choose to think there is no God.You choose to ignore investigating God.And you will whole heartedly argue it, but I wouldn't call it belief or being convinced. Because you are perched saying I don't need to know or care to know and it God's job and our job to convince you beyond your basic assumption.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Everyone knows there is a God. It is written on your conscience. And evident in nature. And is seen in others.And with that you established an inability to hold a legitimate conversation on this topic.You are behaving incredibly arrogantly.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

My point is believing something and holding a view are different terms.If you believe something you are convincedIf you hold a view it's an opinion.So if someone says I don't believe in God, they are saying after really applying thought I believe this and believing is I am certain by way of being convinced.A view can be well thought out but it's not being convinced in the sense of believing. A view is an opinion based on the info used to weigh the view point. One doesn't have to be convinced through objective investigation to hold a view, or they can have thoroughly investigated to hold a view.But beliefs are not views. They are conclusions that are convinced. By understanding the depth of both beliefs. So belief is a much stronger view, based on real thought resulting in real conviction. So when someone says they believe there is no God, sometimes it's a true belief. But most times its an assumption view.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

So if someone says I don't believe in God, they are saying after really applying thought I believe this and believing is I am certain by way of being convinced.That's referred to as Positive Atheism. Negative Atheism is saying that after seeing the arguments in favor of theism, they simply aren't convinced. Atheism itself is not a positive claim, so Positive Atheism is by no means the default form.So when someone says they believe there is no God, sometimes it's a true belief. But most times its an assumption view.You truly have zero basis for making that claim. You have already demonstrated that you know incredibly little about the mindset of atheists, so please, stick to discussing your own beliefs and views, rather than attempting to tell others how they think.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The earth was floating in the Universe not spinning. Floating as any rock in space. A dark planet full of water.So then on day 1 God made the universe and the world of water.The Spirit of God was roaming over surface of the world made of water.Then God made light separated the world in 1/2 with darkness and light. Light He called good. Named light "day" and dark "night."And that was day 1.Even today the oceans have midnight zones and twilight zones, and its lighter closer to the surface of the water. So light may have coexisted with the water showing in the water on the 1st day. And a morning and an evening.There is no time period for day 1 it could have been millions of years or 1000 years or a 24 hour day as we know it, but I'm thinking not a 24 hour day. God is not governed by time. And He didnt create time as we know it till day 4. And He created time to govern our days. And number our days. So on day 1, my theory is, time as we know it didn't exist.Each day says there was morning and evening, but time didn't exist so light and dark were divided in two, and firmament nor sky nor air nor atmosphere existed yet. Day and night, light and dark, morning and evening all these terms didn't have a definitive time value. DUET 11 : 21 so that your days are multiplied, and the days of your sons, on the ground which Jehovah hath sworn to your fathers to give to them, as the days of the heavens on the earth. Heavens days are eternal. Time does not govern God or Heaven. The days weren't coordinate by the world spinning till after day 4. So the unformed tumbled as earth stood floating without rotation in space.Day 2 God placed the core and earth in the middle of the world. Separating water from water. Water covered the firmanent.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Not a single part of that addressed my last post. You simply repeated the very premise that I was questioning.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Einstein, Darwin, possibly Bacon but I'm not sure, Price, Sandage, Flew, and Lewis, though he was a writer and philosopher.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

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Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Please cite your sources. Scientists is also a slightly vague term. Do you consider a theologian a scientist?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

I don't think so. The scientific community has outright rejected the whole intelligent design idea.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Just because the scientific community rejects intelligent design doesn't mean it's false. A majority can be wrong sometimes.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

I brought it up in reference to the person I was responding to. They said "many scientists agree with this", when in fact most scientists do not. I agree with your statement that a majority can be wrong sometimes. I would like to use the world's religions as an example, many of which have conflicting beliefs, yet large followings. Most if not all of them are likely to be wrong. Intelligent design has been debunked extensively though. The argument boils down to "the universe is so perfect, therefore god". This line of reasoning is absurd, for it eliminates all other possibilities.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The scientific community outright rejected the whole intelligent design idea!? This is not accurate nor correct Mark. And you know this. You're assuming because a couple scientists claim one thing that it trumps the other. As far as I know it's about 50-50 right now. Do your fucking research.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Yes Creationism/ID was rejected as a bullshit. Real numbers are about 96%-4%.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The scientific community outright rejected the whole intelligent design idea!?Yes, yes they did. There has been a court case or two in which intelligent design was trying to be taught in school and it went to a lawsuit, and both sides presented their evidence. They found that intelligent design is merely creationism in disguise. Further, there is no evidence that would support intelligent design, like there is with the big bang and the theory of evolution. Here is a recent case from 2005:Kitzmiller vs Dover School DistrictRelevant text: After a searching review of the record and applicable caselaw, we find that while ID arguments may be true, a proposition on which the Court takes no position, ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980's; and (3) ID’s negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community.So yes, what I said was accurate and correct. It is you who does not know this. The number of scientists who believe in intelligent design vs something else is not 50/50. Intelligent Design Wiki Scientific acceptance of Intelligent Design would require redefining science to allow supernatural explanations of observed phenomena, an approach its proponents describe as theistic realism or theistic science. It puts forth a number of arguments in support of the existence of a designer, the most prominent of which are irreducible complexity and specified complexity.[5] The scientific community rejects the extension of science to include supernatural explanations in favor of continued acceptance of methodological naturalism,[n 3][n 4][6][7] and has rejected both irreducible complexity and specified complexity for a wide range of conceptual and factual flaws.[8][9][10][11] Intelligent design is viewed as a pseudoscience by the scientific community, because it lacks empirical support, offers no tenable hypotheses, and aims to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural causes.And you continue to pretend that you actually know what you're talking about. Intelligent Design is not science, nor is it accepted in the scientific community. Nor does it have widespread support among scientists individually, certainly not 50%.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

That statement is way to broad and is in itself a falicy. Even if what your saying is true (which I guess would only be if you get all of your information from Discovery Channel) scientists dont determine truth. A good first step would be to define what you mean by 'Scientific Community' since I can name several PhD scientists off the top of my head who have made great advances in recent science and who, not only reject atheism, but also evolution.Don't get all your info from TV, ok bud?