azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

No, your version of my theory is correct. I also agree with your theory. The only question now is: where did those rules come from? You'll probably say: "nowhere, rules just exist and that's how everything is possible"But it's a certainty that I'll say: "Chaos can just exist, but rules must be designed." You'll no doubt ask for evidence that rules must be designed, but I won't be able to produce any, so since you can't disprove my theory, we're stuck.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Actually, I can disprove that theory. A commonly known rule: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.So, this rule was created by somebody that created energy?By the way, chaos cannot just exist. Chaos is an illusion. It is governed by an underlying order. Take Jurassic Park's Water drop theory for example:If you let a drop of water fall onto your hand, then it will hit a seemingly random point.Another drop of water will most likely hit another point.Is this chaos? Is the drop's destination completely random, as it would first appear?No, the drops fall where they do because of gravity, starting position, wind force etc.So you see, chaos does not really exist, it only seems to exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

That's an interesting angle. Chaos is only an illusion and can never exist. Things only exist because there is order. Before order, nothing could be possible and so there was only emptiness.Which begs the question: How did order come to be?.Now we're back to square 1. You'll say order always existed. I'll say God created order. Neither of us can be 100% convincing....
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

My point was that order did not begin, it is merely the state that the universe naturally moves towards. I said earlier that emptiness and inertia are the true state of order. The universe inexorably moves towards this, like particles in a whirling pond. They whirl around at first, because they are being worked upon by kinetic energy, but when this energy is spent, they fall to the bottom and lie still. The water stops moving, and this is a microcosm of what will happen to the universe. Suns will go out, no heat, no wind, no life; nothing.This comes about because of the rules of the universe. Rules is, come to think of it, a poor word to use. It implies a rulemaker, whereas in reality these rules are simply properties of the things they govern. For example, the fact that iron is hard does not imply that somebody declared it so. Iron is hard because of its atomic structure. Water is naturally cold because it stores heat poorly. The sky is blue because nitrogen reflects blue light well. None of these things are rules, they are simply facts.The entire idea of God is one born of ignorance. We used to believe that illness was caused by spirits. Then we discovered germs. We used to believe lightning was Zeus' fury, then we discovered electricity.We used to believe thunder was the strike of mjolnir, Thor's hammer, then we realised that it is just sound.We have always attributed mystical properties to things that we do not understand fully. This mysticism is invariably disproved by science.THAT is why I do not believe in God(s).SMSdebator says that atheists believe that everything is a coincidence. Well how can every case af attributing natural occurances to God being disproved by science be a coincidence?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Your first paragraph was mildly interesting, but when you tried to get to the point in the second one, you fall apart again:For example, the fact that iron is hard does not imply that somebody declared it so. Iron is hard because of its atomic structureThe atomic structure of all things is the result of the way all of their subatomic particles behave. Their behavior is no accident. Gravity is a curious thing, come to think of it, the other 3 fundamental interactions (or fundamental forces) are also curious... God made them. Order in the universe are explained with these 4 fundamental interactions. .SMCdebator has yet to mature in the processing and delivery of this thoughts.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You are correct, it was a poor analogy.Sadly, the only real way of showing my point is to disprove God altogether. Any analogy would have to be from the physical realm, and therefore if God existed, the analogy would be subject to those rules that you say God created.Now, you say God is not subject to the laws of physics (or any other laws, really). But the nature of the universe shows that there are no other laws. The universe itself always moves towards the most stable, least energetic state possible. This is simply because of energy usage. Imagine the universe as a cloud of steam. As it loses energy, it constricts and becomes water, and then Ice. Apart from the constricting ( the universe is expanding), this accurately models natural universal behaviour. The only thing that changes this is life, with its constant energy conversion, but even that is a temporary thing. You suggest that all this was started by God. A god who is not subject to any laws...space...time..etc. This God is supposedly perfect and omnipotent-If you do not believe in a personified God, then God is the wrong term to use- and most crucially, perfect. Something perfect cannot create imperfection, by definition. Now, as I have said, the perfection physics moves towards is inertia. Yet the universe is far from inert, it is, as I have said, expanding, which suggests that it began at one centralized point. If inertia is universal perfection, then activity is imperfection. Though God is not bound by this definition of perfection, Its creation is, and therefore it is imperfect.Thus, the universe's imperfection posits that it was not created by something perfect.AddendumIf you do not believe in a sentient God, then use of the term God is not correct. If you believe merely in a force, then what you speak of is exactly that,a force, not a God. To clarify this, I ask if you would kindly define your God in your next argument. I, for the record, believe that the behaviour of the universe(s?) suggests that it was created by the laws that govern it. As you say, everything can not come from nothing, but therein lies the flaw in your argument. You are using the infallibility of physics to suggest that physics is fallible. If space did not exist, then what did God create it out of? You say He was all there was, but if he was not made of matter, and did not exist in space, then what did He create matter out of, and where did he put the space he put it in? Do you see my point? If nothing can come of nothing (Shakespeare, incidentally) then God could not create something from nothing, as the things He was creating are bound by that rule, even if He is not.Happy Easter.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Happy Easter indeed!.This God is supposedly perfect and omnipotent-If you do not believe in a personified God, then God is the wrong term to useOk, I'll go with the term Creator from now on to save from any more confusions..This God is supposedly perfect and omnipotentI wouldn't use the term "perfect" because it's a perceived quality and it's a subjective idea. We can neither perceive the Creator nor agree on what's perfect..The idea of perfection and imperfection regarding the universeAgain, I wouldn't use the term "perfect" here. The universe functions according to the 4 fundamental interactions, however that's all we know so far. There could well be many more "fundamental interactions" that we don't know about. If a certain universal pattern/phenomenon occurs on a time scale of millions of years, that is, if each repetition/cycle of the pattern takes that long, how the heck could we know about it? We'd need to start now, and keep records for a very long time so that future generations might be able to pick up a pattern and learn something.....I ask if you would kindly define your God in your next argument.My idea of a God (and I will now refer to him as the Creator) is that he simply is the creator of everything that we know of. I refuse to believe that the universe could simply be, without wilful design. Other than that, I don't know anything about the Creator due to my inability to sense or perceive him in any way. I can't get my mind around the notion that because the universe is so infinitely large, all probabilities (including the existence of life and humans) is 1. This basically means that all and everything that we can think of and imagine physically exist somewhere. I think it's kinda silly, because that means all human imaginative creations physically exist somewhere... we just have to cross path with them in the same time and space!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I wouldn't use the term "perfect" because it's a perceived quality and it's a subjective idea. We can neither perceive the Creator nor agree on what's perfect.Knowledge of what perfection is is not necessary. Anything that changes cannot be perfect. Perfection cannot give rises to imperfection, else it would not be perfect. As the universe constantly changes, it cannot be called perfect. Thus, it could not have been created by something perfect. This removes the possibility of a 'God'. As I said before, all of your arguments have been in favor of a seminal force, but offered no proof of a sentient creator. The 'science' you have been using suggests that this would merely be energy.Electromagnetism, Gravitation and Strong/Weak reactions have no relevance to my last argument. Perfection can only be 1. Any variance is imperfect, like 1.1 and 0.9. Anything that is perfect would have to be inert, and never change, else it would be giving rise to imperfection. Thus, perfection is impossible, reinforcing my point that a perfect, sentient God is also impossible.Referring to your fascination with the 4 FF's, the universe is only amazing to you because you have evolved to find it amazing. At the start, it was no larger than an atom. It was only because of the celebrated FF's that it became what we see now. I can't get my mind around the notion that because the universe is so infinitely large, all probabilities (including the existence of life and humans) is 1.Hitch-Hiker's Guide to The galaxy?Right, the probability of 1 being equal to 2 is 0.0 by 1 (universe) = 0. 0 by 200 million (galaxies) = 0Some things are just impossible, whether or not someone imagines them.Anything possible within the laws of physics is probably extant. Before probability you must deal with possibilty.Besides, I thought your 'Creator' exists outside the laws of physics, and even outside the universe (S,M and T), so that argument does not apply. In fact, that theory does more to prove the existence of leprechauns than it does God.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I actually appreciate your explanation of the idea of perfection and imperfection as it sounds pretty cool! I'd just like to say, though, that I don't know if the Creator is perfect according to this definition (and never claimed it). If I've ever referred to perfection in this discussion, I'm using the meaning of "wow, everything works so well together and is amazing". So if that's the case, your definition of perfection's no longer relevant in our discussion. In fact, if I want to continue to uphold the fact that a Creator created this universe, I'll have to argue that he is in fact, imperfect according to your explanations, which I'd be happy to do....the universe is only amazing to you because you have evolved to find it amazingWhether or not I find it amazing doesn't negate my belief in a Creator that designed the whole thing, because I'm basing this belief on the likelihood that it was designed and not accidental (instead of on whether it was amazing or not amazing)..Some things are just impossible, whether or not someone imagines themWhen I say "I can't get my mind around the fact..." what I mean is I don't believe it. The notion that things exist and evolve on their own and is possible because the universe is so infinitely large is BS, to me. The Creator designed it all I'm afraid :)(Sorry for the misunderstanding).
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I'm basing this belief on the likelihood that it was designed and not accidentalWell, looking at the universe and the way it functions, it seems that design is very unlikely. I believe things only when I have seen evidence of their existence. Assumptions are dangerous, and belief in god is a massive assumption that people make because they are unable or unwilling to understand why the scientific method is the only way of reaching the truth. Blaming everything on a God is the easy route, taken by people who do not wish to face the truth that there is no smiling, guiding father figure and that their existence has no real meaning to the universe. People like that always look for the easy route, the one that requires the least intellectual activity. 'Everything was created by God, who cannot be understood, so let's not bother trying to understand it and go back to watching the Simpsons'.The notion that things exist and evolve on their own and is possible because the universe is so infinitely large is BSAs I have said, the universe is not infinite. If it was, the existence of God would be definite, but as it is finite there simply is no room for God. If he exists outside space then he does not exist, as there is nothing outside the universe, which is why it is called the universe. Unfortunately, all of my own attempts (and those of many others) at using science and logic to convince you that God does not exist have failed. I do not believe that this is my own fault, merely a result of either your inability to understand, or a simple perversity on your part to leave your head where it is - in the sand. How can you call evolution bullshit when all paleontological finds support it? We found dinosaurs at one up to living up to 65 million years ago (when presumably a meteor killed them all), but no humans. Humans didn't arrive until 2m years ago. Does this imply that God stepped in and put us there? Why then, have we found skeletons of the semi-human Australopithecus predating our existence, and none after it? Did we manage to kill everything that resembled us in any way in the first year of our existence? Or, did they simply evolve into us? I have decided to wash my hands of this debate. I have neither the time, nor the energy to continue to argue with such a ship of fools. If you wish to go on believing in your Sky-Bully then by all means, stare at the sky and wonder at how impossible everything seems to be. Gamble through the land, singing praises to the stars.The rest of us will be busy figuring out how to get to them.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Assumptions are dangerous, and belief in god is a massive assumption that people make because they are unable or unwilling to understand why the scientific method is the only way of reaching the truth.Most scientific theories are built on assumptions that are based on observations of the natural world. Blaming everything on a God is the easy route, taken by people who do not wish to face the truth that there is no smiling, guiding father figure and that their existence has no real meaning to the universe. People like that always look for the easy route, the one that requires the least intellectual activity.The scientific method does not exclude belief in a Creator. Many famous scientists believe in a Creator.How can you call evolution bullshit when all paleontological finds support it?Correction, I never said evolution was bullshit. If you've read some of my other posts you'd see that I actually said that evolution is a process of creation, meaning that the Creator didn't just pull humans out of thin air but rather subjected everything to the process of evolution and formation.If you wish to go on believing in your Sky-Bully then by all means, stare at the sky and wonder at how impossible everything seems to be. Gamble through the land, singing praises to the stars. The rest of us will be busy figuring out how to get to themNot if I beat you to them first! You see, God's going to help me ;)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You are all falling to an emotional construct. I know you WANT to believe in a god, and so do I. However, I want to believe in the truth more than that. Religion is an unmoral, evil thing (and I know, morals are emotional too, but you have to stop somewhere), that greedy people have exploited throughout history. Think of the Crusades, the pogroms or the Holocaust, and the martyrdom of modern Islam. It is one of the most obviously hypocritical things on Earth, and the notion of a god is not scientific. I.E. it is not possible to prove or disprove it. If you want to have faith in something, have faith in kindness, love, and charity. All the things that religion pretends to stand for.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Although the vast majority of mankind believes in a creator or Supreme Being, their concepts vary.Islam, in the Quran, affirms the existence and Oneness of the creator and describes him as having the most perfect attributes thus enabling man to have the proper concept of him and to establish a strong bond with him based on the understanding of his sublime attributes. But the influence of philosophy and other ideas that are alien to God existence led to the emergence of distorted concepts about God (Alaah).(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);That sends down (from time to time) rain from the sky in due measure;- and We raise to life therewith a land that is dead; even so will ye be raised (from the dead);-That has created pairs in all things, and has made for you ships and cattle on which ye ride, In order that ye may sit firm and square on their backs, and when so seated, ye may celebrate the (kind) favor of your Lord, and say, "Glory to Him Who has subjected these to our (use), for we could never have accomplished this (by ourselves),(Qur’an 43: 10-13)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Science is the only objective way of measuring things. Science is the use of the scientific method in order to test out ideas we may have. In order to that something happens (pr exists) using science you have to be able to test for it. Since God is a spiritual and cannot be tested using physical methods the existence of God cannot be proved using science. Since the burden of proof to show that something exists is on the affirmative and, since this burden cannot be met we have to assume --that until physical evidence of God is found-- that God(s) does not exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: Agnostic FTW

In science nothing is ever seen as fact as much as fiction, it is the THEORY of gravity not the fact of gravity.Also people can be agnostic atheists (not knowing if their is a god but not thinking their is) or a theist atheist (not knowing if their is a god, but believing their is)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If there was a God, cruel things to innocent people would never happen the way they do. Therefore there is no God. Besides, Evolution holds way more evidence of scientific existence then the bible.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

No, there are no godS. but there is God. open a bible people.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

It's just a belief and you can never be sure if beliefs are real or not real.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I will answer with a tipical phrase I´m usually to answer.Adults with imaginary friends are stupid. Sorry if I hurt someones felling but to believe blindly that a invisible, omnipotent, omniconscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent, maker-of-everything based on a single book is merely stupid. I do however understand the reasons that lead to this, humans have the need to believe their existence is important. Not just important but part of a grand plan. We (human beings) have the need to have a reason to behave ourselfs properly and we use religion as that excuse.The bad part is that religion in fact is the worst kind of scum there is. They tortured countless people over times, killed, rapped. They did things that are almost inimaginable to most of us. And yet you do support these kind of people? You have the cheapface to defend another people who stood beside proudly with Hittler and Stalin? Who rapped woman tho "purify those animals"? Who slain people because they were "heretics"? Who killed countless childreen in front of their famillys because they were "sons of lucifer"?Don´t you even dare do defend these people. Don´t you dare do defend these genocides. Even God is a genocide. In "the holy book" your "good father" kills aproximatly 284.638.059 human beings directly or inderectly. Satan "the source of all evil" kills one with the consent of God. If it´s this you´re gonna stand for you´re even worse than them.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: clarification

I dont think GODS exist but i know that there is only one GOD! You think that this universe was created by itself due to some mumbo jumbo, honestly i dont believe thats possible because there has to be some one to initiate it all. If you want to prove your points then do proper research, go through the basic concepts of every religion such as islam learn the deeper meaning behind all what muslims do. The book known as Quran has remained unchanged since it was revealed, it has indications revealations far beyond our comprehension and cannot be fragmented by human minds. How can a book so old be so advanced at the same time? answer is simple, its creator is not an ordinary creation but a being superior to us in every aspect! so yes my god does exist without any partners that is.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Ha-ha. For thousands of years religion has shown it's head and caused pain and suffering and fear to many people. Believing in a god makes you delusional, it's been proven time and time again.But for me, what happens at the end of the day matters to me. If Christians want to send money to Africa to help starving children because "God" told them to, then be my guest.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?Then he is not omnipotent.Is he able, but not willing?Then he is malevolent.Is he both able and willing?Then whence cometh evil?Is he neither able nor willing?Then why call him God?"-EpicurusI don't think I need any more words after that. Of course this only works for monotheistic debates, but no argument is perfect.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

This pretty much says it all.... ........................ :)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

no. LOL. seriously get your head out of the clouds and get a grip.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

i'm pretty sure my mum and dad made me not god... just saying.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I dont believe in a God because their is absolutlely no proof. People believe in god (note i did not capitilize god) because they are brainwashed when they are young. I have gone to Catholic school all my life and it saddens me to see the people brainwashed by the religion classes. They will just believe anything the bible says when their is no proof and it constantly contradicts itself and more than half of it is made up anyway.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

how can he and where is the proof don't give me the he has to kill people sometimes i know people who believed in god who died of heart attacks that is just cruel how could anyone do that even a "god" no way can anyone or thing be up there if there is give ME SOME PROOF! the bible was probably written by some drunk funny guy deciding to prank people , well it did and everyone believe the Church's lies!