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Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Lots of great arguments have already been made here. A couple that I have not seen:1) Outsourcing US Jobs offshore can only be good if there are new jobs being created for those displaced workers to move to. Clearly right now in our economy, we are losing jobs on a net basis, so in that environment, outsourcing US jobs cannot be good in any way shape or form if it is contributing to greater domestic unemployment, which it is right now. The impact of that includes a) a reduction in the tax revenues at the state and federal levels which is one significant reason why we have such huge deficits and have become a debtor nation to China. The state of California has such a huge deficit that very important programs including education are getting cut. How is that deficit created? It all comes back to tax revenues offset by spending. Fewer jobs means less income means less in taxes and b) more unemployment means more americans receiving unemployment assistance and other public programs which further contribute to the deficit. This is such a fundamental issue yet somehow it gets glossed over. When the economy is growing and new jobs are being created, it is not noticeable, but today it is a glaring weakness in our economic policy to allow this practice to continue unfettered.2) Treating white collar jobs as commodities, as outsourcing does, fails to take into account the human element. Just because I might be hired to do a certain job, as an employee of a company I know that if I find ways to improve the way we do things and innovate, it will reflect positively on me and help lead the way to promotions and greater compensation. When you outsource a job offshore, you significantly diminish the potential for innovation. Despite what marketing people might tell you, the outsourcing industry performs a "lift and shift" and nothing more. They take your work and move it offshore and perform it in exactly the same way as you are doing it in the US. Couple that with 50% or greater turnover rates in places like India and what you have is a situation where nobody ever sits in the job long enough to understand it well enough to actually have an opportunity to think about ways to improve it. The liklihood that an offshore employee that has been hired to perform a specific task is going to come up with ideas for innovation are virtually nil. They don't have the same motivation or opportunity. Unless you find a way to measure and quantify the concept of innovation and then build it into your contract with the outsourcing provider, innovation is just not going to happen, which will lead to stagnation. I feel this is the leading characteristic of outsourcing white collar positions that is going to lead to a permanent deterioration of the US Economy, because innovation is what made the US economy so great. Corporate greed over maximizing short term profits through labor arbitrage will lead to long term losses that ultimately may take decades to recover from, if ever.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I can't believe how many people are selecting "Good".So the companies out source their jobs to make things cheaper? Well, if it only costs $5 to make the item (including materials and labor)... WHY are they selling it for $15 and $20? I thought they outsourced to make the prices cheaper. Why not 6 or 7 dollars instead of 20? So if they kept their business stateside it would cost them around $10 to $15 dollars to make the item (including materials and labor)... so they could still sell it for $20 or $25. Not only that but it would create jobs for many many many Americans who are on unemployment right now and those people who get those jobs will have money that they will be able to spend on "wants" not only "needs" so they would be able to buy more things, putting money back into the economy.Everyone who selected "Good" in my opinion are feeding off of what the companies who outsource want them to think.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I got laid off 3 years ago. I worked for that company nearly for 10 years. I have been struggling to get a job back for the past 3 years. I couldn't pay my monthly mortgages and the bank took my 3 bed room house away from me. With my wife and my 3 year old daughter we moved with my parents who live in a 1 bed room apartment. I used to make about $40 an hour. I have been forced to try for all kinds of jobs, instead of IT. I have started working as a construction worker and make $8 per hour now. That too I dont get work consistently. I voted for Obama trusting he'll improve the economy and bring American jobs back home. No improvement for the past 2 years. Some people claim that stopping outsourcing will make U.S. companies incompetent, but people like me have been forced to struggle for daily food because of outsourcing.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Absolutely terrible, given unemployment levels, and the fact that certain policies could reverse such outsourcing.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Even though you may get cheaper goods from outsourcing, the employment opportunities of Americans decrease which makes it tougher for those people to afford the cheaper goods or at least to some extent, ruin the point of getting it cheaper the first place since the average income that everyone makes is reduced to what it could have been. Outsourcing affects the lower and middle class, which is a decent chunk of America. If products were manufactured in the US, the goods might be more expensive, but the average consumer can afford it since they have a higher employment opportunity and are more capable of affording the more expensive, but higher quality American goods.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I think it is quite clear that outsourcing hurts the local economy in the end.To quote a recent World Public Opinion on Globalization..."Support for globalization is remarkably strong throughout the world. The highest levels of support are found in countries with export-oriented economies: China (87%), South Korea (86%) and Israel (82%)."There is significant concern about the effect of trade on employment, especially in more developed countries. 80% of French respondents believe trade has a negative impact on job security in their country73% percent think it is also bad for the creation of jobs there. In the United States, 67% consider trade harmful for U.S. workers' job security & 60% call it detrimental for job creation."
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Just because 73% of American's 'think' outsourcing is bad doesn't make it bad. Who were the people who answered this sruvey? How were they selected? So many questions and so little answers.Many may not like outsourcing now because they lost their job because of it. but now that the dollar is weak, major corporations are begining to look to the U.S. as a haven for cheap jobs.Its the reason why Fiat, VW, and Audi all plan on opening new plants in the good old US of A.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I'm not sure how many of you have been down to Nogales, Mexico, but the factories there (many owned by US corporations outsourcing their production facilities) have horrendous working conditions. Outsourcing is exploiting the lax labor laws in other countries and the people in an effort to save some money on production costs. Doesn't matter whether children work in the factories, doesn't matter how poorly the laborers are paid or treated - all corporations are interested in is profit.I'm just making an argument from a moral perspective because there are plenty of others who can argue economics better than I. This is just another aspect to think about.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Yes! Sounds like something called "slavery"! Some Americans haven't learned a thing since 1865, they continue to hold workers captive, make lots of money and call it out-sourcing! No honor in that!
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

The outscourcing of jobs to foreign coutries is a bad thing not only does it put the American people out of work but it also is a double whammy on the tax payer. This is not right that are jobs be sent over to some foreign country are economy is in a crisis right now and we need to keep American jobs here.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

What is unamerican? The political climate that lead to the economic depression we are now facing. That political climate supported big business in avoiding taxation by operating overseas, while outsourcing labor (and good paying jobs) to those in other countries who are able to work for less, due to differences in currency. Outsourcing, the practices of employing remote foreign labor to maximize profits has been the primary example of what is UnAmerican. If the jobs are being exported, is it no wonder that so many Americans are foreclosing on their homes, and are not active consumers?
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I am not fully against outsourcing but one point of view I have not seen here is. If we outsource medium paying jobs and those jobs are replaced with less paying jobs the total number of people paying Fed Income taxes will reduce. If this happens the overall tax burden will become more burdensome to those who continue to pay taxes. With less people paying taxes and more people needing govt assistance the tax burden on those still paying taxes will grow even faster. This is one argument many have overlooked regarding the consequences of outsourcing.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

i believe outsourcing is bad because when workers lose their jobs, they rely on unemployment money from the Gov't which means higher taxes for everyone else
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I think it is a bad because Americans are losing their jobs, and it is defiantly effecting our economy because by not having jobs, Americans dont have money to buy things with which effects our stores and other buissness'. I think people are stupid if they think having U.S jobs in foreign countries is a good thing. I dnt know about you bt I need a job because a job gives me money, and money lets me live
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Outsourcing was one those things you hear just before the great crash in the markets. That happen right before Clinton left office. The three engines of economic ruin we see today was: outsource, light sweet crude go from 18 dollars a barrel to 50, and exporting countries manipulating their currency market to complete international trade. During that I remember how that time magazine had whole issue on outsourcing computer jobs. You can't make havoc with colleges jobs expect every just going away. These people went to school for fours years only to find that they can not compete with ten cent a hour. They then are completely dependent Gov't so is free trade unfair trade? We never real recover from those days, the recession just goes on and on with end in sight. You see these guys aren't going to go out and spend another fours years get some new education. What it boils down to is outsourcing put them out of commission for good.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

But the system doesn't work that way. The first advice I have ever heard from the stock exchange field is "Buy low, Sell high", this is a typical capitalist saying. Get as much information as possible, prophesy the cheapest way to get best results, and sell it to suckers. this is really bad stuff when we cannot count on ourselves to build a good quality product for less
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

For all of the debate and discussion, I have not been able to locate the terms "disruptive technology" or "creative destruction". Because without these none of you would have ever HAD a job to begin with outside of a horse and plow on a field in your backyard. How can you disregard these elements in American capitalist society? Companies that pursue FOR profit business have always had to react to disruption. You are not required to like the solution that they apply to the problem. The individuals that sit at the top of the company get to make the really really unpopular decisions and may be paid more to take vacations that are really PRIVATE or pay for some serious SECURITY. Don't go to work for "profit" companies is the answer, but what choice do you really have? This website is somewhat of a time waster. America needs NEW ideas for patents to create new jobs. Disruption is as old as time, whether we like it or not. I would like to see some disruption to keep Americans in their homes. I did read an article about "mortgage insurance", so someone was trying to stem the tide here with impact to American families. I also read that developers were no longer building 2 bedroom 1 bath homes with real yards any longer because they could not profit enough from it. Did someone take a trip to Tuscany and we all decided we needed McMansions? Socialist housing with 4 or 5 floors isn't really popular in the State of CA for obvious reasons. I won't tell you why. We have urban sprawl in the State of CA for a REASON honey, and we haven't forgotten what that reason IS. We are told we are sacrificing for the next generation but we are still trying to raise the next generation. The tech sector demands higher education and more higher education while middle class (redefined) is losing jobs to overseas. It does make one wonder if this is a massive Catch22. Who will be able to afford higher education while losing their jobs to overseas? Can you? The ultimate question here seems to be this "Do you really want to stay home weekends knitting your own underwear" because corporate America can't profit enough from it any longer to pay Americans to manufacture it? Some may find this view simplistic, but it rather "cuts the crap", doesn't it? Oh, I'm sorry, this site was supposed to make for "good fishin" for the ignorant?
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Its nonsense if someone claims that outsourcing is good for Americans and the economy. Outsourcing has created extra 7% unemployment and the government has to pay unemployment benefits to them every month. Instead of those people pay Government every month by tax; the government pays them. The people who benefit in other countries by job outsourced, take money from U.S, pay tax to their country not to the U.S. Outsourcing must be banned and all the jobs shifted overseas must be brought back to U.S. The U.S. dollars value keeps going down for the past 2 years. A country's unemployment rate is an important factor that determines its currency value.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Outsourcing our U.S. jobs to foreign countries is a desasterous move by our government! we are running out of manufactoring jobs in America due to donating our manufactoring to countries such as China,India,Or Mexico. Without manufactoring America is doomed! we can't continue to survive and make ends meet in America by Jim washing Teddy'S shirts, Dave cutting Sally's lawn, or freddy scooping Joanna's pet dogs poop from her lawn!!! We need to build things inorder to stay afloat!!??!!
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

What on earth are you talking about? Outsourcing is happening because it's cheaper to pay an unskilled laborer from Burma or Thailand than one from the United States. The government didn't just decide to start giving Jobs away, that's not how it works.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Lets look at the empirical evidence - the current state of the US economy. Its a mess. When it works, its held together with massive amounts of debt. When it doesn't, the dole queues stretch for city blocks. Lets compare that with the Golden Era for the American economy just after WWII. At that time the US was a closed economy but it had full employment and an excellent standard of living. Moreover, it managed all this by accumulating assets rather than debt. All this has unravelled because somebody took the idea seriously that US workers could possibly compete with workers in other countries earning one tenth what they do. The fact is that the US is a large enough market on its own. Even without foreign trade it can sustain a wealthy and vibrant economy. The US government has bought the argument, promulgated by private interests, that free trade is beneficial. So, OK wise guy, why doesn't the US government just put up trade barriers again?In light of the above overwhelming 'empirical evidence', I would not be surprised if the powers that be in the US are tempted to go back to a closed economy. My guess is that the flow-on effects of taking such action would totally destabilise the world economy. It would set off economic armageddon. My advice (for what its worth): who is the US government accountable to? - the US citizen - and it is he/she that it should be looking after first and foremost. Good luck guys.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Really...we need to have a vote on whether taking jobs away from the people of the United States is a good or bad thing. My husband works for a manufacturing company, and they have taken different areas out of the factory to send to other countries, but you want to know what ends up happening...they have to send the parts back to our factory to fix what the factories in the foreign countries got wrong. Now how is that giving your company a good reputation...it is not!My husband was laid off for almost a year due to outsourcing, and we have a family to take care, as well as bills to pay. So, with the state of our economy I do not believe that we should be sending anyone's job to a foreign country...I think we need to focus more on trying to bring back the jobs that have been sent away, and about how we can create a few more.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

America has over spent and now has reached a high peak concerning the debt. We have gone over the budget limit creating a total debt of 16 trillion dollars. The U.S. gets its money from our income taxes, our INCOME TAXES, if we do not work and have jobs in the UNITED STATES how will we contribute to the debt that is making ALL of our Lives DIFFICULT???? The LAST thing needed right now is having AMERICAN jobs OUT of America!
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Agreed, and the jobs being outsourced are the high paying jobs which create the most tax revenue and would ultimately pay down the debt. These jobs being outsourced both reduces tax revenue and adds unemployed individuals drawing $$ and funds to get retrained to another career.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

1. There are a finite amount of resources in the world. 2. Likewise, a corporation has a finite amount of assets at any given time. A corporation's assets decrease by some fractional amount when they pay wages to American workers.3. Now, when a corporation moves overseas, and they pay their new employee's wages, they don't have to pay so much; so now, their assets are decreasing by a smaller fractional amount than before.3a. The corporation's revenue hasn't changed. But now it's got more assets. It can invest in more assets (production facilities) with that money. It can hand out some bonuses to the people at the top (sounds likely). It could lower prices (with the exception of the electronics industry, I don't see prices falling anywhere...)3b. Let's say the corporation reinvests in itself. Do the employees get a stake in that investment? No. Ignoring for the moment where the employees are located, the net effect of the transaction is that wealth (which is finite) has been redistributed to the top.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Nobody seems to account for why India and China and other countries that have benefited from our outsourced jobs are willing to work for less, because they can. Our currency which pays for their wages goes much further in their country. They may live like kings on a salary of $300 a month, whereas here it may actually cost us to take a job that pays the same, just in gas alone. So the competition is unfair due to our currency value which is all speculation just like the housing market was. Our might dollar, which everyone wants to invest in, who know why, is going to burst at the seems just like our housing market. Our currency value is completely bogus because the value of our currency is based upon a countries value and right now we have way more liabilities with a running deficit of over 13trillion than we have assets. This is why when everyone is mad over Quantative Easing I am actually okay with it, let's just get it over faster. Of course its going to hurt for a little while, but what it will do is bring back manufacturing. When a company can no longer purchase what they used to be able to do and with gas continuing to rise, we will be able to compete with the rest of the world and this alone is the only thing that will save America. I believe that we will have a manufacturing revamp in America just hopefully we don't declare that companies cannot find enough quality labor so they need more H1-B Visas. When you have a high employment rate H1-B Visas should be banned. They are merely slave labor ranking in more profits for companies. Companies need to think long term not short term, but then again look at CEO pay, I guess that is how we think now days. Pathetic it makes me sad that we can no longer feel great about America due to being raped by the top 1%. The middle class is dying and we are to busy working so our voices do not get heard. We are to busy working to support the top 1% and the bottom half that are living off of government. Ha we have not time or money to pay someone to fight for us.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

it lowers jobs in the U.S. and decreases it by giving away lots of jobs.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

export for the water tanks and water pump. i want to export this item . i want to any kind of byer need.