azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

The way you stated your position is quite odd. Unless your equating 'threat' with 'spank' (which would be moronic) then I do not see how your position implies a disfavor of corporal punishment?I do sincerely apologize if your intent was not to advocate abuse. Your phraseology, to me, implied that 'threatening' your child is not enough to correct their misbehavior (i.e. you would need to resort to physical measures ), which will answer your next question:How does my position suggest this?Again, my misinterpretation led me to believe that 'threatening' your child is not enough to effectively correct their behavior. I understand the efficacy is irrelevant to the debate, however, the ^previous sentence.How does my position advocate child abuse?By now you should realize that I misinterpreted your position to be in favor of corporal punishment. Assuming that your are in favor of spanking your child, you would essentially be advocating child abuse (though, you assert the contrary so by all means I appreciate that your are not sanctioning child abuse).---SN: You claim that you agree with "most of what I wrote." May ask what it is that you do not agree with as I believe my position is quite sound?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Unless your equating 'threat' with 'spank' (which would be moronic) then I do not see how your position implies a disfavor of corporal punishment?When you spank your child you are constantly threatening them with the next spanking.I do sincerely apologize if your intent was not to advocate abuse.He already told you that he didn't advocate abuse. Just sincerely apologize without the "if"Your phraseology, to me, implied that 'threatening' your child is not enough to correct their misbehavior (i.e. you would need to resort to physical measures ), which will answer your next question:Threatening is a form of negative reinforcement. It is actually amazing that you can't make the connection since you brought up positive reinforcement.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

When you spank your child you are constantly threatening them with the next spanking.This statement is not intelligible enough for me to even attempt to discern its meaning... In other words: Please rephrase.He already told you that he didn't advocate abuse. Just sincerely apologize without the "if"Since one cannot know the certainty of anything then one must type "if" so that one will not make certain out of that which one does not, and cannot know for certain.Threatening is a form of negative reinforcement. It is actually amazing that you can't make the connection since you brought up positive reinforcement.It is not amazing (at all) to me that you are greatly ignorant about B. F. Skinner's writings. Spanking and threatening is a form of negative punishment. Negative reinforcement would be immensely counterproductive as a means to correct undesired behavior. One threatens one child so that the child will not do the undesired act, not the inverse that you so ignorantly asserted.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

This statement is not intelligible enough for me to even attempt to discern its meaning... In other words: Please rephrase.Aww, you can't read. Spanking and threats go together. Since one cannot know the certainty of anythingNot true.One threatens one child so that the child will not do the undesired actAre you claiming that threatening a child so they won't do the undesired act is positive reinforcement?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Aww, you can't read. Spanking and threats go together.They may be related in a certain context; as per his context, they are unrelated.Not true.Philosophically and fundamentally you can never know anything for certain (except the fact that you think you know things for certain, but that is irrelevant to the context by which I invoked uncertainty).Are you claiming that threatening a child so they won't do the undesired act is positive reinforcement?Did I claim that, or can you not read? The answer to this question is explicitly stated in the post to which you are referring...
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

They may be related in a certain context; as per his context, they are unrelated.Wrong.Philosophically and fundamentally you can never know anything for certain (except the fact that you think you know things for certain, but that is irrelevant to the context by which I invoked uncertainty).We all know for certain you are an asshole.The answer to this question is explicitly stated in my post... (And I though thought that I could not read...)It was, but then you claimed I said the opposite leading me to have to ask the question. When you say 2 different things I have to ask. Sadly you can't answer. But, I have the explanation of that (see above).
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Wrong.But you offer no cogent explanation as to why I am wrong....We all know for certain you are an asshole.The fallacy that implies incompetence.It was, but then you claimed I said the opposite leading me to have to ask the question. When you say 2 different things I have to ask. Sadly you can't answer. But, I have the explanation of that (see above).I never claimed that you said the opposite of anything... You (falsely) claimed that spanking and threatening is a form of negative reinforcement; I simply stated that you were emphatically wrong about negative reinforcement- which you were but refuse admit it.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

I simply stated that you were emphatically wrong about negative reinforcement- which you were but won't admit it.I meant punishment. I was wrong. You won't admit you are wrong about threats and spanking being similar enough to discuss together. You have already admitted that they are both forms of negative punishment, but you still cling to the idea that they can't be discussed together. You even claim to know the context of piratelfdog's argument better than he does.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

It was pretty obvious to everyone else that he was against spanking.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Firstly, on what basis do you have for claiming that his meaning was obvious to "everyone else"?Secondly, his statement would make perfect sense if he equated "threat" with "spank"; though, I hope that that was not his intent as the two terms are noninterchangeable.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Firstly, on what basis do you have for claiming that his meaning was obvious to "everyone else"?No one else had your objection.Secondly, his statement would make perfect sense if he equated "threat" with "spank"; though, I hope that that was not his intent as the two terms are noninterchangeable.They are interchangeable since they are both forms of negative reinforcement.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

No one else had your objection.Therefore everyone understood? Such an amateur fallacy. They are interchangeable since they are both forms of negative reinforcement.(1) They are never (grammatically) interchangeable, no matter the context; (2) As I previously stated: they are not forms of 'negative reinforcement', they are forms of negative punishment. You should not make arguments invoking data of a scientific book that you have not bothered to read....
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

They are both forms of negative punishment. Logically they are interchangeable unless you are claiming that threatening your kid is ok.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

You just said that they are forms of negative reinforcement, now you are claiming that they are forms of negative punishment?? This makes the second half of your statement irrational at best, and unintelligible at least. You make such shoddy arguments.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

You just said that they are forms of negative reinforcementA mistake that you helped me correct.now you are claiming that they are forms of negative punishment??I corrected my position based on the wonderful information you gave me. You are now attacking someone merely for listening to you.This makes the second half of your statement irrational at best, and unintelligible at least.Except I didn't call it negative reinforcement and negative punishment in this one argument. It is only unintelligible if you don't read it by itself. You are making the ridiculous claim that threats and spanking aren't similar in any way and that they are both forms of negative punishment.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

You are making the ridiculous claim that threats and spanking aren't similar in any way and that they are both forms of negative punishment.I am making a ridiculous claim that you just claimed twice to agree with? The meaning of both terms are not similar, nor are they interchangeable."Spanking" involves a physical infliction of pain. A "threat" is a verbal, or nonverbal, nonphysical gesture to prevent undesired actions.The former involves physical harm while the latter does not.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I am making a ridiculous claim that you just claimed twice to agree with?I never said that threats and spanking aren't similar. What are you talking about?The meaning of both terms are not similar, nor are they interchangeable.They don't have to have the same meaning. The former involves physical harm while the latter does not.That's irrelevant. They are both things that should be avoided by good parents, right?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

I never said that threats and spanking aren't similar. What are you talking about?You said that it is ridiculous for me to claim that they are both forms of negative punishment, despite you conceding that you were wrong, and that they are both forms of negative punishmentThey don't have to have the same meaning.Each reply seems to detract from logic and rationality.That's irrelevant. They are both things that should be avoided by good parents, right?The former, yes; however, the latter can be expressed in a non-abusive fashion. For example, if a parent says: "Johnny if you take that cookie out the box you will not get to have dessert after dinner." That is a nonviolent threat, one that a non-abusive, nonviolent parent would make.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

You said that it is ridiculous for me to claim that they are both forms of negative punishmentAnd that they aren't similar. Eliminating words from my argument changes what I said.Each reply seems to detract from logic and rationalityYou won't concede that they are similar in any way.For example, if a parent says: "Johnny if you take that cookie out the box you will not get to have dessert after dinner." That is a nonviolent threat, one that a non-abusive, nonviolent parent would make.Good point. I see what your objection is now.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

And that they aren't similar. Eliminating words from my argument changes what I said."And" is a conjunction that would make the conclusion of an argument false if the statement that preceded or followed that conjunction is false. When you conjoined the former part of your sentence with "they are forms of negative punishment" that invalidated your entire position since you did concede that threats and spankings are forms of negative punishment, but then claim I am ridiculous for asserting that they are..?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't. You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't. You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't. You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't. You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't. You are ridiculous for claiming that they aren't.I hope that helped explain my position.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Thank you.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Obviously your parents didn't smack you around enough.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

first of all what i would like to get clear is that we are HUMANS and thats the point of difference between us and the animals . we have the power of having control on your brain more than other any creature and at least we should act like that . Would it be ok to spank a child ? ABSOLUTELY NOT ! it is true that in most of the cases a little spank is being used just to show our children that we "have always right " but that can be totally different . Being a child is such a difficult task , you are always in contact with new things that sometimes might lead you in a "wrong" path but at least we are on time to fix this . Making mistakes is part of our life people , so to fix this problems with violence would be totally wrong in my opinion . Just remember one thing that the history tells us : WORD IS THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON !
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Making mistakes is part of our life peopleHow do you learn from your mistake? WORD IS THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON !Sounds like talking to your children should be banned then, and spanking should be allowed.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

of course you can learn from you mistakes it is obvious you wont do the wrong thing twice unless you are a dumb person ! Learning from a mistake you have made means that now you are conscient that you havent done the right thing and you are still on time ! so its ok for you not to talk with your children first but instead giving them a punch ? excuse me but that would be completely silly
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

of course you can learn from you mistakes it is obvious you wont do the wrong thing twice unless you are a dumb person !That doesn't answer how. You will learn something is wrong if your parent hits you in the butt when you do it.Learning from a mistake you have made means that now you are conscient that you havent done the right thing and you are still on time !A really easy way to find out you made a mistake is having your parent slap you.so its ok for you not to talk with your children first but instead giving them a punch ? Who says that the kid wasn't told not to do something?excuse me but that would be completely sillyIt is completely silly. Sadly, it is you who made the suggestion, not the people who do the spanking.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

you might feel fear but believe me you wont learn nothing from spanking its just a short way to avoid the long convos that a parent has to make with his children what about if you are right and you still get a spank from your parents would it be ok in this case ? Parents are not always right , there are different ways of prospective between a child an an adult
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

you might feel fear but believe me you wont learn nothing from spanking its just a short way to avoid the long convos that a parent has to make with his childrenSo, long conversations are how you learn from mistakes?what about if you are right and you still get a spank from your parents would it be ok in this case ? Parents are not always rightThe parent is going to lecture the kid about doing something wrong either way. The kid will be punished in some way even though they were right.there are different ways of prospective between a child an an adultAgreed.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Yes , that would be more efficent than spanking for sure ! you can interfear on other people through words and you can 'touch' their feelings there are a lot of other punishments that can have a better effect on children . not spank for sure
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

No, that is child abuse. Children have the right to feel safe and be happy.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Who says you can't feel safe and be happy just because you are spanked?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Spanking is child abuse. It is traumatic to the child. /
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

You saying something is true doesn't make it so. How do you explain all of the children who haven't been traumatized by spanking?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

You were never abused, so I don't expect you to understand the fact that spanking is traumatic child abuse., I was abused, so I have the right to speak on it. My father hiut me all the time to the point that I would pray for him to die. Oarents do not have the right to hit their kids.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

You were never abused, so I don't expect you to understand the fact that spanking is traumatic child abuse.Your abuse was not due to spanking so I don't expect you to understand what spanking actually is. I was abused, so I have the right to speak on it.According to you everyone has the right to speak on it.  My father hiut me all the time to the point that I would pray for him to die.That's not spanking.Oarents do not have the right to hit their kids.True. Let's talk about spanking now.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Parents do not have the right to hit their kis. That is child abuse. .
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Ok. Now, let's talk about spanking.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Having To touch your child's buttock to discipline them is pretty fucked up and pathetic, even more so than hitting them elsewhere in all honesty.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

That doesn't make it abuse. Not being the perfect parent is not the same as abuse.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

asking you child to show you their genitalia only to smack their buttocks is a bit deeper than just abuse, it's straight up pedophilia.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

No it isn't. Trying to claim that spanking is worse then just punching your kid in the face as hard as you can is not convincing.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

In order to justify theft, the thief pointed at the serial killer. Lel.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

In order to vilify spanking you had to bring up pedophilia because you had no real argument. "lel"
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Yes it does make it abuse. Parents do not have the right to hit their kids.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Yes it does make it abuse. You are now claiming not being the best possible parent is also abuse.Parents do not have the right to hit their kids.I am sorry, but technically they do. You claiming they don't is not a compelling argument to make you right.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

I am not saying parents have to be perfect. That is a strawman. I am saying that parents hitting kids does make it abuse. No parents do not have the right to hit their kids. Kids have the right to feel safe.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I am not saying parents have to be perfect. That is a strawman.You agreed with the guy who said that parents have to be perfect. It isn't a strawman, you agreed to the wrong thing. I am saying that parents hitting kids does make it abuse. No parents do not have the right to hit their kids. Kids have the right to feel safe.And, I am saying that the reason you gave is wrong. You say that it is abuse because kids don't feel safe, but kids still feel safe. How is it abuse if the child still feels safe?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Agreed. It is child abuse. .
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Spanking is hitting. .
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

How do explain children who get hit through spanking that aren't traumatized?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

The fact remains that spanking is child abuse. .
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Actually, it is a fact that spanking is not child abuse. You are trying to create change.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

It is a fact that spanking is child abuse. Children have the right to feel safe. Spanking is both slavery and child abuse.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

It is a fact that spanking is child abuse. No, it isn't. It doesn't even have to be abuse to be wrong. Children have the right to feel safe.And, you are claiming it is abuse even when the child feels safe?Spanking is both slavery and child abuse.For sure it isn't slavery. Why not call it murder too? Why not just throw out every thing that is bad and add it to the list. Why not say that it is also theft?
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Yes it is. spanking is both slavery and child abuse. I will not change my mind. EVER!
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

You have no idea what slavery is if you think smacking a child is slavery.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I am hoping that she is referring to the fact that they hit slaves and isn't just trying to equate it to something horrible just to make a point like Instig8tor did.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

Yes it is.No it isn't.spanking is both slavery and child abuse.It is not slavery and for you to trivialize slavery makes you a bigger asshole than someone who spanks their kid.I will not change my mind. EVER!History has shown that if anyone on this site will change their mind, it is you.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

I will not change my mind on the fact that spanking is child abuse.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I don't want you to change your mind. I want you to explain how it is child abuse if it doesn't fit your definition of child abuse.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Children have the right to feel safe. It is not possible to feel safe when you are being assaulted. Unwanted touching is assault.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

It is not possible to feel safe when you are being assaulted.This is not true. Many many children feel perfectly safe even though they are spanked.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Yes it is true. I know from personal experience. .
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I explained to you how it is not true. Your personal experience is exactly that, personal. Your experience wasn't even spanking.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

True. Let's talk about spanking now.I'm a bit confused, to my knowledge spanking necessitates hitting (in every single prospect of the term)?Hit: bring one's hand or a tool or weapon into contact with (someone or something) quickly and forcefully; or, in the nounal form: an instance of striking or being struck.That doesn't make it abuse. Not being the perfect parent is not the same as abuse.Harming your child physically constitutes child abuse (esp. when done consistently).
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: Yes

I'm a bit confused, to my knowledge spanking necessitates hitting (in every single prospect of the term)?She is talking about beating a child mercilessly.Hit: bring one's hand or a tool or weapon into contact with (someone or something) quickly and forcefully; or, in the nounal form: an instance of striking or being struck.I am addressing the forcefully part. LibProlifer wasn't spanked as a child. She was beaten.Harming your child physically constitutes child abuse (esp. when done consistently).You have not demonstrated how the child is harmed by being spanked. Note: I would think if it was inconsistent it would be more abusive.
Debate: Is it okay to spank children
Side: No

Spanking isn't molesting, only molesting should be allowed.