azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

My point is actually to prove to atheists there is a God. Since the post was to basically convince creation or atheism.So I went by way of creation and science.Many of our discussions have gone into directions of 1 of faith to another of faith. Starting with your dispute of the creation rendition I layer out.I think it's easier for an atheist to be convinced with the logic I highlighted in the Scripture over each day is 24 hours. And I backed up my reasoning with many scriptures as well as some scientific information.And I think if you re-look and consider the depth of growth God accomplished and His views on that growth you may conclude some similar views. If not I don't actually think Jesus will separate the sheep and the goats based on if they thought all the days of creation to be 24 hours. But I think taking Genesis to an indepth look may help to reasonably explain creation to an atheist. And it doesn't detract. Since God still made nature jump into existence. But it also addresses science. And I think my approach is honest and as written in Genesis. So I didn't make it up, I simply read it.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

To believe what you are teaching, there is no need for God to be the Creator. The vast stretches of time you allow for are the magic wand of evolution. It is not Biblical and it is not scientific, belief in the big bang or evolution is nothing but hypothesis with contradictory facts which disqualify either idea from being a theory. Any time a theory is contradicted by facts, it is no longer a theory. Evolution and the big bang never got past hypothesis and never will, and your teaching of obscurity of time is rebellious when God plainly said He created the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in six days. No field of science requires belief contradictory to the literal six days of Creation.I remember you, we went through this kind of stuff before, you don't care what the Bible says unless you can twist it to fit your own ideas.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You are seriously ridiculous!Read! Stop judging and read!
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Where are you getting these teachings? Somebody is doing you a disservice leading you in these heretical doctrines.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Somethings just can't be explained scientifically. Science is wonderful, but it can't explain why the universe was created. Science can't explain miracles. No they do not "just happen". You can't bring someone back from the graveyard? This is simply because there are somethings even science cannot do.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Prior to Isaac Newton we didn't really understand planetary motion. This is what Ptolemy said about Planetary motion, “I know that I am mortal by nature, and ephemeral; but when I trace at my pleasure the windings to and fro of the heavenly bodies I no longer touch the earth with my feet: I stand in the presence of Zeus himself and take my fill of ambrosia” For Ptolemy, having lived over a millennia before Newton, the movement of the planets was an unknowable mystery only understood by the gods. History is replete with things that we will never be know, that with time were eventually known, and when you resign God or gods to such gaps in human knowledge they dwell in increasingly small gaps. The temptation to assign the cause of things we do not currently understand to the supernatural is an ever present one, and an intellectually perilous one at that.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Well they seemed to have had an idea that time worked around the solar system. Or at least if they didn't they worded it in a way that conveyed it when time was established.Why did the writer choose the order for the creation days? Even that took some thought and advanced thinking.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I'm sorry, you're going to have to be more explicit here. Who are 'They' and what do you mean 'time worked around the solar system'? I'm not getting your meaning here. What about the order of days?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Actually if you see my last post asking to help Saintnow read on context on GENESIS 1My theory from reading the Scripture with or without science Is that Day 4 was the 1st day out of the 7 days that God put time as we know it in place. On day 4 He put moon and Sun and lit the bodies of space in our solar system. Making Day 5 the 1st true documentaries 24 hour day.And days of order if you notice the progressionDay 1 Day 2 Day 3 .... etcGod left land and sea vegitation to grow in a day that wasn't governed by time ordering a 24 hour day. Because without rotation there is no 24 hour day. So all 4 days before that is time in eternity not time as created for man. I am saying God created time as man knows it on day 4. With day 5 being the 1st day governed by time as man knows it, a 24 hour day
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

But time exists without any celestial bodies. You seem to be claiming that because on the 4th day God created the means we use to determine a day (as well as a month and year), that time must have began then. But, again, time exists as a completely separate concept apart from our moon, our sun, or even our planet. So why would time have started then?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Read the text Genesis 1 Then it is expanded in Genesis 2 And 3Its like Moses started with bullet points and then narrated details.If I am correct .... it shows science and also creation. Also this video is good about the astronomy portion in light of science and creation. Before day 4 light and darkness existed, coexisted simultaneously, God didn't divide them between day and night till day 4. Making Day 5 the first full day in time as we understand time. If no sun and moon were in the sky, would we have 24 hour days? Would we have 4 seasons? Would we have calender years. Were seasons completing a cycle establishing a 365 day year in rotation? The Fourth Day: Sun, Moon, Stars14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.Then you have to think some ancient guy wrote this without scientific data or understanding the solar system, and without understanding fossils, fossil fuels, etc.... that would have developed during the vegitation growth, and also since the garden was separate, and not knowing the time Adam and Eve were in the garden, dinosaurs could have reproduced and lived in vitality. With man entering in a short time before the flood.Even that makes sense, since man seemed to appear toward the end years of roaming dinosaurs, with dinosaurs dieing off through the flood and after the flood. Man was removed from the garden about 1600 years before the flood.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I'm sorry but how exactly does the 'order of days' demonstrate advanced knowledge of anything when you have to suppose a different order of the days than what is expressly written? This is like declaring you have the winning lottery ticket but claiming the ticket must have a typo because the numbers are in the wrong order.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The day woke them to care for all their things, their livelihood, their families, their flocks, their food sources, and especially their vegitation! Yet the author has the sun after vegitation filling the earth.Yes, because the author is wrong.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Ok explain creation time line to me This is a debate, so I want your thoughtsLine upon line tell me the story of our world and everything in it
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

UniverseGalaxiesSolar Systems Stars Planets MoonswaterPlants + Animals
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Is that the order? And at what years in evolution did they have their mark? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3R47gH4CM&feature=youtu.be
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Is that the order?YesNotice the sun is older than the earth, which makes a great deal of sense if you understand Galilean cosmology, unfortunately the authors of the Bible did not. They were long before Galileo, before even Ptolemy. The biblical authors were working from pre-ptolemic Jewish Cosmology. From that perspective the order of creation as written in Genesis makes perfect sense. It only stops making sense when you impose Galilean cosmology onto ancient writers.And at what years in evolution did they have their mark? I don't know what you're asking.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu3R47gH4CM&feature=youtu.be The order as presented in this video is not at all what contemporary science says, not even remotely. Birds before land animals? The first land animals appears in the fossil record some 200+ million years before the earliest bird. Photosynthetic plants before the sun? Again, not at all what contemporary science says, and indeed not even what common sense would say. This video is so riddled with factual errors, I don't have the time or patience to address them all.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Looks like sunlight whether hidden through an opaque atmosphere or whether they were hung through that period. Or 1st seen through that period. The Bible still confirms this time line order.And the people who wrote it had no way of knowing this time line unless God really told them.3.8 billion years ago?This is our current “best guess” for the beginning of life on Earth. It is distinctly possible that this date will change as more evidence comes to light. The first life may have developed in undersea alkaline vents, and was probably based on RNA rather than DNA.At some point far back in time, a common ancestor gave rise to two main groups of life: bacteria and archaea.How this happened, when, and in what order the different groups split, is still uncertain.3.5 billion years agoThe oldest fossils of single-celled organisms date from this time.3.46 billion years agoSome single-celled organisms may be feeding on methane by this time.3.4 billion years agoRock formations in Western Australia, that some researchers claim are fossilised microbes, date from this period.3 billion years agoViruses are present by this time, but they may be as old as life itself.2.4 billion years agoThe “great oxidation event”. Supposedly, the poisonous waste produced by photosynthetic cyanobacteria – oxygen – starts to build up in the atmosphere. Dissolved oxygen makes the iron in the oceans “rust” and sink to the seafloor, forming striking banded iron formations.Recently, though, some researchers have challenged this idea. They think cyanobacteria only evolved later, and that other bacteria oxidised the iron in the absence of oxygen.Yet others think that cyanobacteria began pumping out oxygen as early as 2.1 billion years ago, but that oxygen began to accumulate only due to some other factor, possibly a decline in methane-producing bacteria. Methane reacts with oxygen, removing it from the atmosphere, so fewer methane-belching bacteria would allow oxygen to build up.2.3 billion years agoEarth freezes over in what may have been the first “snowball Earth”, possibly as a result of a lack of volcanic activity. When the ice eventually melts, it indirectly leads to more oxygen being released into the atmosphere.2.15 billion years agoFirst undisputed fossil evidence of cyanobacteria, and of photosynthesis: the ability to take in sunlight and carbon dioxide, and obtain energy, releasing oxygen as a by-product.There is some evidence for an earlier date for the beginning of photosynthesis, but it has been called into question.https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17453-timeline-the-evolution-of-life/
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Did the ancient author of Genesis have calculations and a lab to determine sun didn't appear till later in creation? Science shows that things were growing without sunlight, and growth didn't show sunlight till later in growth of life time periods.So either the ancient author had a lucky guess or God showed him.My point is the ancient author was conditioned by following the sun and seasons for harvesting plants. So it wouldn't be a natural guess for the author to put growth occurring before the appearance of sun.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Sorry, I haven't had a chance to get to this. Don't let me forget.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Prior to you being in existence, God was there and you were not. After your death is finalized, God will be there and you will be in Heaven or Hell. If you don't believe it, prove me wrong. Try getting out, make it your life goal.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Well Paul says he is all things to all people that he may win some.So I guess science matters if your talking with someone that has more of a scientific background.I think if you can give the good news of God's word in a way they can relate to it its a good thing. I honestly don't hold it as a big deal whether 1 person holds onto 7 / 24 hour days. Or of longer days. I think both beliefs are fine neither are in contradiction to what is written. And how he did it doesn't matter to our salvation.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Yes, conscience is unique to man and being deceived is unique to woman.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

And I must tell you your error with the use of your scriptures about women.Ready here it is...You use it to say you are right in your doctrines because you are a man. Those scriptures ABSOLUTELY do NOT mean you are right because you are a man. That is a sin of pride, and its just as screwed up in doctrine as it can get regarding women.1st of all I assume I am a good bit older than you, and I think there is something about older women being looked at as mothers able to guide in spiritual matters and practical matters. 2nd of all we are not IN church together and you are just a man discussing scripture with a woman.You are not my husbandNot my pastorNot a leader in my churchAnd you logic is EXTREMELY faulty, because by what you are saying... a woman should cover their head, is that by every man?Even antiChrists? Even false teachers? Who determines which men have authority over women? Well it must be all????? Really??????You being a man and me being a woman is irrelevant here.If there is any relevance you should look to my maturity as an older woman as honorable! 1 is simply being respectful and giving honor for age and maturity.But you as a man DO NOT cover my head in ANY Biblical context!So please drop that foolish argument with me it doesn't and will never carry any authority over me as a Christian or as a woman.I have a husband I have my head covered. And we are not in church. And I don't subject myself to authority God did not designate.Ok?So argue my points. Or don't talk to me because I'm a woman Your choice!As in maturity I have you by age and most likely I am more mature spiritually also. At least currently. My assumptions are from our conversations, and what I've seen in your post in general.You need to grow. I've been around as a Christian for 30 years, I've seen almost every attitude within your post, sometimes even in myself.I'm not being mean, I'm telling you knowing growth happens, and some times its a 2 step, 1 step forward and 2 steps back. But eventually you do- se- do
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Please, quit trying to tell me that you wear pants better than men do.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

oh great, she can't hold consistent biblical doctrine and now she's doing a do ce do dance.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Your doctrine is false and I'm going to speak against it and I get a kick out of pointing out how the woman is not supposed to usurp authority over the man as you try to tell me what to do, how to think, and how to act. There is no need to compromise with big bang or evolution believers, there is no need to believe in those things for study and research in any area or science. When you believe in those things, you have to change the Bible and that compromise denies the power of God and divides Christians....it's your crowd responsible for the division as the word of God plainly states, God Himself speaking, that He created the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in six days. True science requires no belief contrary to the literal six days of Creation.It's a mistake to tell scientists that the lies they believe regarding the big bang and evolution can be supported by the Bible. You might was well toss your Bible out the window.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

In a sense you are correct and then the rest you are incorrect.Conscience is both men and women.Women are unique from men in that they can be decieved more easily emotionally. Its the nature of both beasts. Men being more objective and task oriented, often have women at a disadvantage emotionally. AND no degree of feminism will change it. And they try! The push to equalize a physical relationship. Guys and gals will always be different on processing it.Usually the girl thinking more than the guy, being decieved.The girls who fight so hard to dull their consciences, have to devalue themselves to achieve it. And it hurts them no matter how they act on the outside. They are decieved by denial.But man is a term of humanity Both man and wo-man. So you have to consider context in your conclusions
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You have to consider that I find you funny and your compromise with evolution and big bang belief heretical. I still have not seen you respond in any way to my request for your comments on Exodus 20:1 & 11
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

if you are going to divide woman into two words, it would be "woah, man"...or "woe man"God made man in his own image, and then rested. God made woe man, and nobody has rested since.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Lol ........................  😁I know it's the curse !
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

So all women are decieved and there is no truth in them. Are we not heirs also???You can't see anything wrong with the attitude of your heart in matters relating to women?You are using scriptures to defend a faulty sinful attitude. Go talk to your pastor, your supposed to be under them. And you need help through this to see clearly.You use scripture to say you are right because you are a man, and I am wrong because I must be decieved because I'm a woman.And that's not ridiculous in your mind.You are literally doing what Adam did the woman.you made is decieved so I am only right or wrong based on her being decievedHonestly you need to never use those scriptures because you use them to sow fig leaves.Truth is to set free! Not put down into submission.1st of all look at the Scripture a women is supposed to subject herself.... Not a man is supposed to subdue!Your attempt with scripture is to subdue. To rule over, to be right!2 Tim 222 Run from anything that stimulates youthful lusts. Instead, pursue righteous living, faithfulness, love, and peace. Enjoy the companionship of those who call on the Lord with pure hearts.23 Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26 Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

You're funny. ..................................................................................
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Here is a Biblical presentation which curiously goes through examples of women as prophets and teachers and also goes into the attitude of hearts in women and men.Please listen to the audiohttp://cbesydney.org.au/2015/05/audio-for-the-consensus-and-context-of-1-timothy-212/ http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/the-consensus-and-context-of-1-timothy-212/
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

that's good. Now explain why Paul said the woman should not usurp authority over the man, because the woman being deceived was in the transgression.And I'm sure you are referencing Deborah, who rubbed it in the face of the man who was supposed to be trusting God and taking the lead when she took the lead for battle. It was a disgrace that Deborah had to do it, and she shamed the man who was supposed to do it.The woman in the garden lost control by being deceived. Women tend to want power in order to regain control, hence the feminazis demanding "equality". The man in the garden lost respect because he was not deceived and knew exactly what he was doing when he disobeyed God. Men generally want respect, and women gain power by refusing to respect men. Then the women get mad and start wearing pants and shoulder pads.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Did you listen to the audio.It should help you in in relating to women in discussing scriptures. http://cbesydney.org.au/2015/05/audio-for-the-consensus-and-context-of-1-timothy-212/
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Your kind of messed up about women and your limited on the subject.Your like wandering in the desert holding so tightly to little when there's so much more in the Word I'm not discussing the subject with you any more.Its not worth doing till you are open.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You're not discussing the subject with me anymore? A MIRACLE!!! A woman letting a man have the last word. wow
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

A MIRACLE!!! A woman letting a man have the last word. wowDo you really see no problem in this statement?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

It's you again? I'm glad to see you are not in Hell................................................
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Lol That's a good way to stay single you know.Woman should be treated like Christ loved the Bride of Christ, His Church. He gave Himself up for her.Be well rounded and grounded!
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

So much for that miracle, I figured it was only an illusion.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

It all comes down to these questions. What is necessary for any world to exist?What is necessary for any world to exist, and without this which is necessary then no possible world could exist?What is necessary for any possible world to exist? What is the 1st piece needed beyond the last known layer? When we peel back every layer down the nucleus of the base core, the final layer out of which all things began, what is necessary for our actual world?So if we peel back to 1st speck, back to evolutions 1st spark of energy that started the chain reaction of all creation would have to have every building block of our creation, the complexity of our entire world, to the highest possible form of possible evolution achieved, with every detail contained in a speck the size of rhe 1st spark, the size of a mustard seed.A few interesting rambling thoughts:Jesus discussed faith the size of a mustard seed could move mountains into the sea. So If our faith is that powerful for us, what is God able to do with a mustard seed???Its a funny thing that Jesus referred to the kingdom as going through an eye of a needle, and also as a mustard seed.And Speed of light we now know, and I don't actually grasp. But I grasp enough to see a connection He is light, there is NO darkness in Him. He is eternal life and the light. In the New Jerusalem there will be only day. Are light years days in heaven talked about from almost every prophet?1 - Nothing exists if No-Maximality is exemplified2 - Maximal greatness is possible only if Maximality is exemplified.3 - Without Maximality, then Maximal Greatness is impossible!