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Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men should have their say in abortion

I believe any man who would relish having that child should be able to have a say in whether or not the woman brings the baby to term. Having said that we now run into the issues of how to bring this about in an amicable and fair way and who will take responsibility for the child. Will it be he, she or both? What if one party, in this case the man, changes his mind at the last minute when it's too late to abort?I think the only way to bring about these changes is to have a legally binding contract between the two parties so that neither can back away and leave one of the parties to fend for themselves. That simply wouldn't be right.People often go through many "changes" when a pregnancy is involved. Not everyone knows what to do at the exact time pregnancy is established. What happens when one of the parties suddenly has an epiphany and realizes they do not love the other? All decisions must be made prior to the cut-off time for safe abortion so there is much to be considered and it is not a decision that can be made lightly. My take on it is that the man should have a say and not be cut out of the loop simply because it's her body! It was also her body and her choice to take the risk of pregnancy.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

Sweetheart, men, by law, must either raise the child with the mother or pay child support. The courts are too tied up to deal with this already existing legal obligation. Men constantly skip out on their duties; leave town, refuse to pay child support, and, sometimes, earn too little for it to even matter. "My take on it is that the man should have a say and not be cut out of the loop simply because it's her body! It was also her body and her choice to take the risk of pregnancy."Really now? Even if both consented to sex, the condom did not break or the birth control didn't work, how do you justify allowing the man to have control over the woman's body? Why does the man, who is under no risk from pregnancy and its many and possibly deadly complications, have equal say with regards to the birth?Men do not go through any of the suffering and pain of child-birth, none of the danger, why are they allowed absolute power over the woman's body? In the end, the man has the power; if they both agree to abort or give birth it is fine, but if the woman does not want the child but the man does the man is the one who gets to make the decision.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men should have their say in abortion

Hello Angelo! I think you'd be better off reading my original answer than calling me "Sweetheart." After all you don't know me and the term is reserved for very few. I did mention some of the issues that would be up for discussion.Really now...I never said that a man has absolute control over a woman's body. He should have a say since it is his child. Did it ever occur to you that he may wish to have that child no matter what? Your point is moot. It's no fault of his or hers that the woman carries that child. It was designed that way! Deadly complications? This is 2008 and not the time of child bed fever! There is so much testing available to ascertain whether or not the child will be born healthy it's truly amazing.If the woman were at risk from "deadly complications" I should think that too would be taken into consideration and hopefully would be a clear case for abortion no matter what the man desires. It's a complex issue in which there is much to be resolved between the two parties and even the courts, should it come to that, but I do believe a man should be able to make a case for full term if he indeed wants that child.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

There are only two "says" possible: Either the man can voice his opinion and the women "has" to consider it, but the choice is ultimately up to her or the man has the final say and can veto the woman's choice to have an abortion.Your choices, then, are two: The men has no real say or the man has control over a woman's uterus once she has been impregnated."There is so much testing available to ascertain whether or not the child will be born healthy it's truly amazing."Be that as it may, what do you propose if the child should be discovered to have mental retardation, Cerebral Paulsey, Down Syndrome or a number of other debilitating diseases. What if the father still wants the child but the mother doesn't? Is there going to be a point system, who gets to make the final decision , a judge? One of the parents?As for the danger to the mother; it isn't always known until the complications arise during the pregnancy that the mother's life is in danger. Sometimes it is too late to make the decision. sometimes death occurs after the birth has already taken place. As of 2007 (I found some more statistics) one in every 4800 women in the United States die of complications resulting from pregnancy. That's over 31,000 women a year in the United States. All you can offer pregnant women is a bland and optimistic view that everything is gonna be okay, things are so nice and easy, they aren't in much danger..etc..etc. You also have extremely vague ideas about who gets to decide things; you talk about the man "making a case", involving courts, having it "resolved between the two parties". Do you not realize you need to actually have a law in place for courts to decide on? Unless the parents actually create some kind of contract where the woman must have the consent of the man or state law dictates that the man must also consent to the abortion there would be nothing for the courts to decide, it is her choice. Do you have anything beyond vague ideas of what should happen and excuses about how "complicated" the issue is? Your whole "solution" is both redundant and provenly impossible to implement fully. It is basically the old child-support system plus the ability of the father to choose whether or not the child can be aborted. In other words, a flawed system plus further control of the woman to the man with an increased risk and responsibility to the woman.It is even less fair than what we have now with our growing number of single women and their dead-beat child's fathers. I don't see how you can so glowingly advocate what would be a massive chain being wrapped around a woman's uterus, with a lock whose key is firmly held by a man.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: hugs

Angelo in Women v Men"Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender. Women are underpaid, overworked, and are rarely in positions of power and authority. This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men. The reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men). The difference is accounted for in the women's perceptions of themselves, what they feel their place is, their unwillingness to engage in economic, social, or even violent conflict. This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them. If women are going to become equal to men they are first going to have to become as ruthless, cutthroat, strong, courageous, and aggressive as men. Women are going to have to show themselves to be the strong creatures that they are; women are going to have to take their rightful place as masters of their own destiny, by any means necessary. Women can't be victims anymore; they must train themselves to fight, they must teach their daughters to fight (not just with Karate classes but showing them to stand up for themselves in a number of ways). Every woman should know how to defend herself; legally, physically, economically, socially; they must make men know they cannot be taken advantage of.Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings. If women are to break free of their chains they must do so in kind." - gives angelo big hug - Shhh, it's okay, they can't hurt you anymore, let it go.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. I don't know what the joke is supposed to be here. Am I supposed to be a woman angry at men who abused me?A man who is angry at women who abused him?A gay man angry at straight men abusing him so he encourages women to emasculate them for his own sick amusement? (I mean, this one is at least close to the truth, but I don't know if this was your intended meaning).If you are going to crack jokes could you at least make a good one, one that makes a small amount of sense? I think that's a rather small request, really.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: someone's whipped

A man angry at men who abused him... duh.Besides, jokes making sense wasn't in the rule book, and you can't deny that you sound like a militant feminist who just needs a hug. (nothing wrong with being a feminist, something wrong with a dude being a feminist, something really wrong with a dude being a militant feminist) Anyway, this is for you...
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

Could you explain what is wrong with a man being a militant feminist? I mean, I know that women being as powerful and violent as men would be the most terrible thing in the world. I know that women being equal would result in the forced emasculation of all men on earth, but honestly, what's wrong with me being for that?I don't know why I "need a hug" when talking about other people standing up for their rights and against abuse. Your cliche'd response is rather underwhelming, your humor is dated by about twenty years. I guess I could be equally cliche' and point out that you are nearly thirty and single; explaining your immature position (and your immaturity) as a result of your inability to land a female companion. That, of course, would be sinking to your level.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

wow, this was a while ago and not sure why it just came up on my recent debates, but since I'm here, I'm single by choice first off. While I do have some problems, getting women is not one of them.Next I will explain why there is something wrong with it.You're not a female, and even if you were, there is an inherent difference between men and women for the most part though one is not better than the other; militant feminists want to ignore these differences, blame all ills on man's evil, and lock them in a cage somewhere.A regular feminist simply wants to be treated the same as a male in places like work.So yeah, there is no problem standing up for woman's rights, even if you are a dude.There is a problem though overcompensating whether you are a man or woman.If you are a woman it is at least a bit more understandable.If you are a dude though I have to think someone is holding a leash, and that is unhealthy. Unless it's confined to the bedroom I guess, but at least have a safety word.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

I don't think you understand the significance of the argument - "it's her body." If you try to force a woman to bring an infant to term against her will you are essentially treating her as if you owned her. You are taking away her right to autonomy and self-agency. She's not a human being anymore, she's a breeding machine. The issue of owning another person's body is vastly more important than a man's desire to raise the child. I'm sorry, but we just don't allow people to own other people in this country anymore. Men get do cut out of the loop because pregnancy doesn't happen to them. It isn't fair. Life isn't fair. You really ought to get over it.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

"I believe any man who would relish having that child should be able to have a say in whether or not the woman brings the baby to term."Then the man should make it clear that he is having sex for procreation only and let the woman know in advance that he only views her as an incubator."Having said that we now run into the issues of how to bring this about in an amicable and fair way and who will take responsibility for the child."That's only if the woman chose to remain pregnant since a child is the developmental stage AFTER birth. Having said that, responsibility for the child has nothing to do with abortion."Not everyone knows what to do at the exact time pregnancy is established."That's why it should be left up to the woman and her doctor - the man who's sperm fertilised her egg would know less of what to do than her own doctor."All decisions must be made prior to the cut-off time for safe abortion so there is much to be considered and it is not a decision that can be made lightly."Neither should entering into parenthood be made lightly either."My take on it is that the man should have a say and not be cut out of the loop simply because it's her body!"Why should he have a say over her body because his sperm fused with her egg and is attached to her uterine wall?"It was also her body and her choice to take the risk of pregnancy."Oh, I see, it was HER risk of pregnancy but the man wants the choice as to what to do with it once it occurs? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Her choice was to consent to allow a man to deposit his sperm, not have his sperm fuse with her egg and thus, enter into parenthood.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Unclear Definition

My opinion on this subject has to take a near middle road because of the fact that the term "abortion" here is held in such ambiguous terms.In a local setting, the man most definitely has a choice on the outcome of his unborn baby. Yes, the woman in the situation must bear the child and must go through the 9 months of development, but the man in the relationship has contributed half of his DNA to the creation of that baby. It's just as much his as it is hers, therefore the man should have some sort of input on what happens to the baby.On a more global level though, where the morality of abortion is being debated and such, the man does not have the same right of input. In this case, he has no ownership over any of the potential babies in question and the fight is more about a woman's right to use her body as she finds fit--a natural right.So that's where the devision lies, whether or not this debate takes place on the local or global level. If it's on the former, then I must say yes, a man has every right to "choice" that does a woman.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

Both sides do the man and the woan. They both are in it together so it is wrong to exclude either one I think.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

"...because of the fact that the term "abortion" here is held in such ambiguous terms."There is no other term for abortion than "the early termination of a pregnancy". What is so ambiguous about that? It is what it is."In a local setting, the man most definitely has a choice on the outcome of his unborn baby."Really? Why would a man get the choice into a woman's uterus because his sperm was deposited and fused with her egg? Why should a mass of cells get more rights than a woman? She's not an incubator."...but the man in the relationship has contributed half of his DNA to the creation of that baby."So? The woman's uterus in which the fertilised egg is attached is 100% the woman's.What does a global and local setting have to do with anything?
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Abortion

It's sketchy because you have to ask what the relationship is. Like a rapist shouldn't have a say, but I think a husband, or even a boyfriend should have some say. I'm really torn on the issue so I'll distract you all with stats while I make a sneaky exit from the arguement...
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

"It's sketchy because you have to ask what the relationship is."No, it's not - the only relationship here is the implantation that takes place INSIDE the woman's body."Like a rapist shouldn't have a say, but I think a husband, or even a boyfriend should have some say."Oh, so, fertilisation happens and all of sudden men can control a woman's body part? The man deposits sperm so women must give up control of their uterus because one of those little buggars went and fused with her egg?Your stats are from a faith-based endorsed, biased website that uses propaganda to romanticise a process of a potential life and a medical procedure as "bad". If you want real stats, use the Guttmacher Institute or the Centre for Disease Control which both monitor abortions in an unbiased, non-judgemental manner.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

You misunderstand.I mean, have a say within the context of their relationship if they are married or living together. I don't mean a man should have any legal say at all, it's her body.Like as in "Honey, I'm pregnant"then the male may reply, "Yeah!" or "Boo!"And they should come to a decision. But it's her choice at the end of the day.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Abortion

men have a say cause the baby is just as much theirs as the woman who is having the child. the abortion will affect the man as much as the woman. the baby is the mans as much as it is the womans. you may be thinking that just because the woman is having the baby it should just be her choice but it should also be the males choice as well.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

"men have a say cause the baby is just as much theirs as the woman who is having the child."Nope, men do not own a woman's uterus because he deposited sperm that fused with her egg."the abortion will affect the man as much as the woman."Really? It's a medical procedure, how does it affect the man when he doesn't have to go for surgery?"the baby is the mans as much as it is the womans."This only works AFTER birth, since the uterus is 100% the woman's and that's where the mass of differentiated cells are lodged."you may be thinking that just because the woman is having the baby it should just be her choice but it should also be the males choice as well."Nope, I'm not thinking that. I'm thinking the uterus belongs to the woman, not the man.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

so many of you seem to be disputing "who has rights to a womans uterus" when it's not the uterus we are talking about, it's the foetus we are talking about, a biological entity made up of 50% of a woman and 50% of a man.You annot have a foetus without equal shares of both man and woman to begin with.If women don't want the pressure of abort or not abort then they should keep their legs shut or use appropriate birthcontrol. If a man doesn't want the pressure of abort or not abort then they should keep their manhood in their pants or use appropriate birth control.And while we are on the subject, how many of you would be arguing the same points if it was THE MAN who carried the child for 9 months.... (btw, i am not a man, just Devils Advocate)
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: euqal for both sexes

Both sides do the man and the woan. They both are in it together so it is wrong to exclude either one I think.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

men should definitely have a say because they made the baby and without the mans sperm the baby would have never come. and what if the guy wants the baby?
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

I Think Men Have a say! Because the child is just as much his as it is hers.....it took two to make it so the decision should be made by two! It's not fair to destroy the life of a mans child go your own personal reasons that's just selfish and stupid and childish BEYOND MEASURE!!!
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

Consider this. If the mother of my child were to just dump him in a trash can without my say, i would probably kill her.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men should have their say in abortion

As would most of us. Even those that aren't yet fathers, such as myself, who hope to one day be a father, it is just horrifying to even think about that happening.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

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Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

"Consider this. If the mother of my child were to just dump him in a trash can without my say, i would probably kill her."Consider this: if it were a child dumped in a trash can, it would be considered child abuse, not abortion. And if you would kill her? Well, that's murder and punishable by law.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

How very prolife of you. .
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

because its our baby to.... its our sperm
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

".... its our sperm"And it's a woman's ovum AND uterus...point is, a man has no control over the development of said fertilised egg. He deposited his sperm, that is all.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

the woman has no control over the development of said fertilized egg neither, do you honestlt think that a pregnant woman gets up in the morning and thinks "oh, I will develop my babies ears today, oh i will make my baby have downs syndrome today, Oh i will work on the little mite's legs today...."
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

Just because its your sperm does not mean that you have the right to a womans body. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

man has the right to keep the baby or not .. cause.... he created it.!
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: men have no say

Man deposited sperm that fused with an egg, but woman owns the uterus 100%.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: we sue the bastards

I think that men have a say, but in order to exercise it, we must act like we Americans act like we always do when stumbling across a fork in the road: We sue the bastards! We sue the woman carrying our baby for the right to have that baby and raise it into adulthood.
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have No Say

And will you go to jail for manslaughter if the pregnancy results in her death? What if there are health complications, are you responsible for that, will you be forced to pay-out?
Debate: Abortion: What About a Man's Choice?
Side: Men Have A Say

If there are health complications or she dies, its as much the womans fault as it is the mans. After all she made the choice to have the kid. She wasn't at gun point and she could've gotten out of any dangerous situation had there been one.It was her choice as much as the mans. Even if she did it for the man, IT WAS HER CHOICE. Why don't you understand that?