Debate: Existence of matter proves a creator exists
Side: True

From our own personal experience, yes that is true. But how do you know that self creation is impossible for the universe as well?Thats very true, we don't. That is why agnosticism is the only rationally justifiable belief.Not that this is your argument, but MANY creationists argue that god is independent of time. They argue for a "spaceless, timeless, immaterial" god. They claim that god created all of existence, including time.Common mistake by many creationists... yet, they believe that they will live an eternity after their physical body passes.... which is advocating the existence of time after the physical universe is gone... and everything God created in the spiritual realm would also be bound to time, thus time must be simply a measure. Moreover, just as logic and piety, from the Euthyphro Problem, can only be answered by advocating an eternal and absolute God, which in turn means that it too is eternal and absolute, concludes that so is time.I'm not following, are you saying that the universe is independent of time, and time is independent of the universe?Everything, including the natural and supernatural have time. Time is only a measurement.If there had to be a beginning and end for the universe, because you claim that self creation is impossible, how do you solve the problem of God? What was "before" God?God, being outside of the realm of naturalism, which relates to what we stated earlier, we know of only from our limited knowledge that nature has a beginning and end. Therefore, God, who is not apart of the universe, does not require having a creation. Just as Aristotle said, there must be an immovable mover. However, this immovable mover must have enough ability to move the entire universe.If you claim that God has existed for an infinite amount of time, this is just special pleading for god. And even if it weren't special pleading, you'd still have to prove that God has existed for an infinite amount of time.I'm not denying that. That is where faith comes in, just like how we all have faith in everything we believe in; for everything comes to down to a base that has no evidence.I didn't mean to imply that you claimed god was outside time and space, my apologies on not clarifying that.No worries. :)If time measures the universe, but is not tied to it, why is gravity capable of stopping time? The singularity of a black hole can cause time to stop outright. It would appear that gravity and time are very much intertwined. And as far as we know, gravity exists in the universe, but not outside. Nor do we have evidence that time exists outside of the universe.Time is still a measure, but it depends on where the perspective coming from. Just as traveling at the speed of light can effectively make you time travel, time for the person traveling at that speed is subjective. However, I'm not implying that time is subjective, but that how we perceive time is subjective. For example, that person going the speed of light will believe the time to be a few seconds, when in reality it would have been a lot longer. This also relates to 2 Peter 3:8 in which Peter says that with God 1000 years is like one day; and that one day is like 1000 years. All I'm saying is that these claims of yours are unverified and have no evidence, or at least you didn't post any.Nothing has evidence; but we try to understand as best we can by what we means are available to us, which includes the Laws of Thermodynamics, which of course could be wrong for all we know. Everything comes down to a basis of faith. Why do some people believe in evolution (I don't want to get into an evolution debate, it is only an example)? Why do some people believe in the Laws of Thermodynamics? Why do some people believe in talking snakes? The reason is this: we can't know anything with 100% certainty, including the things that we believe to be correct. Anything but agnosticism is unscientific and illogical, because there is no way we can truly know.