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Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

While I sympathize with your assessment of the symbol, I disagree with your treatment of ThePyg based purely on his avatar. You are responding to a symbol, not to him. This, in and of itself, is obvious far less egregious than Hitler's treatment of the Jews, but it operates within similar parameters: you are making a blanket assessment of somebody without bothering to know who they are, and allowing it to affect your actions. Refusing to read his arguments in the other debate based purely on what type of person you assume him to be (fueled by nothing more than an avatar) is somewhat childish, and creating this debate due to it just plants the seed for your own intolerance garden.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

While I sympathize with your assessment of the symbol, I disagree with your treatment of ThePyg based purely on his avatar. You are responding to a symbol, not to him. This, in and of itself, is obvious far less egregious than Hitler's treatment of the Jews, but it operates within similar parameters: you are making a blanket assessment of somebody without bothering to know who they are, and allowing it to affect your actions. Refusing to read his arguments in the other debate based purely on what type of person you assume him to be (fueled by nothing more than an avatar) is somewhat childish, and creating this debate due to it just plants the seed for your own intolerance garden.I couldn't have said it better myself.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

I have asked those who use the symbol many times to explain themselves. How is it that you say I will not listen to them, when they will not speak? I made an assertion. I believe that those who use the swastika are either Nazi sympathizers or so un-sensative to those around them that they qualify themselves into the category that I describe as douche-bags. This is my conlcusion. I put out my argument. I am waiting for people to explain why I am wrong. That there are sensative respectful reasons for using a swastika. Please explain to me how you can be a cool person, who is nice and respects other people, respects Jews, respects holocoust survivors, respects american service men who died in WWII... explain to me how someone can be a cool person, and also use a swastika as their avatar. My proposition is that it is impossible to be a cool person and also use a swastika as an avatar: that that one act alone defines you as a douche-bag.Our actions define us. Are you telling me that you can not judge people from their actions?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

How is it that you say I will not listen to them, when they will not speak? Ummm, probably because when the whole thing started, you said to ThePyg:I can't really consider reading something someone who has a swastika as their personal image.Want to try again?I believe that those who use the swastika are either Nazi sympathizers or so un-sensative to those around them that they qualify themselves into the category that I describe as douche-bags.Your absolutionist view is cut of the same cloth as those who think all gays are child molesters, or everyone who listens to rap is untrustworthy. And once again, you aren't responding to the person, you are reacting to the symbol. I guess we could just ban all symbols that might offend somebody on this site. Like say, the cross, which is one of the base symbols provided by the site itself. My proposition is that it is impossible to be a cool person and also use a swastika as an avatar: that that one act alone defines you as a douche-bag.This site is not about whose cool and who isn't. Its about debating. Personally, you don't sound particularly "cool" by my definition, but I still read your responses and evaluate them on on their merit and logical viability. Which, aside from this one topic, is usually fairly strong. Our actions define us. Are you telling me that you can not judge people from their actions?No, I'm telling you that we shouldn't judge an essentially anonymous online persona based on their avatar. I am also suggesting that giving so much power to a symbol is simply a victory to those who use that symbol.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

Since mycomrade has decided to copypasta, I shall do the same:Never said that I am using the swastika as a sign of peace or nonconformity or w/e, it seems that you are the type of person who reads too heavily into something.Anyway, this site is built on free speech. So no, I can not be banned for having an offensive avatar.I merely have it because I like how it looks. I like the rainbow flag, and I LOVE right angles. The swastika has 8 of them. L is one of my favorite letters. The Swastika has 4 of them, and depending on how you look at it, you can make even MORE Ls. Cool, right? I also like the direction this particular swastika is facing. Kind of looks like a ninja star being thrown towards the right. I hate it when ninja stars are thrown towards the left.Also, I hate Jews and I am gay. I hope that the gay nazi party will be able to rise up against the Capitalists and their oppression towards the working, homosexual class.At least we can both agree on something, though. You and I both hate the first amendment (for good reason; you don't want people to have swastikas and I don't want Jews to spread their filthy lies about us homosexuals).
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

I'm not trying to rack up points I'm trying to take issue with your statements one at a time, so we can stay on topic. Of course, as you reply you will also rack up points for each issue.It is not "read[ing] too heavily into something" to be offended by a swastika
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

I said reading too heavily into something because YOU seem to think that I want to do it because I want to be some kind of nonconformist Eastern guy or something. Too far from the truth, comrade.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

You have said that you aren't using the swastica because you are a nazi. You also say you are not using the swastica because you are a douche bag (someone who thinks they are smart because they have found out that the swastica was used by other people than Nazis and so they use it as a avatar, just so they can can people who don't like the swastica fascist...). So if you don't use it because you are a nazi or a douche bag, all you have to do is tell us why you use it.Its that simple. Don't act like it is weird that people think that those who use the swastika are Nazi sympathizers. Why don't you debate any of the facts that I post, like this from Wikipedia: Because of its use by Nazi Germany, the swastika since the 1930s has been largely associated with Nazism and white supremacy in most of the Western countries. As a result, all of its use, or its use as a Nazi or hate symbol is prohibited in some jurisdictions. Because of the stigma attached to the symbol, many buildings that have contained the symbol as decoration have had the symbol removed. Steven Heller, of the School of Visual Arts, has argued that from the moment it was "misappropriated" by the Nazis, it became a mark and weapon of hate, and could not be redeemed
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

I'm not arguing about the fact that most people associate it with the Nazis.Never said that I was using it for some Eastern religion thing, either.I told you my reasons for using it and you decided to not accept that answer.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

When did you tell me your reason for using it? I do not remember this. Please remind me.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

You know, the whole Ls and right angles. And the gay nazi party.c'mon man, read.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

That was, obviously a joke. I think the reason that you refuse to answer my question seriously is because you hate Jews, and I don't think I want anything to do with this site.This site makes me sad.It had so much promise, but the douche-bags have taken over, and I don't think normal people feel safe with all the Nizi flags all over the place....This website makes me feel dirty.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

Obviously a joke?how?can you read minds?-----------------------------
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

That is totally stupid. The owner of any sight gan ban whomever they want. The created this site, they pay the bills, and it is up to them.http://www.createdebate.com/about/agreement
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

true, but we cherish free speech, so we will not ban someone just because of an avatar.worse things have been said and presented on this site.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

Do you run this site? You have never spoken. You have never explained your use of the swastika.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

As stated, I did explain my reasons.This is why you shouldn't post multiple times. It just results in a cluster fuck.Next time, keep your thoughts organized. You're pretty much just spamming this site and we do not tolerate that kind of unprofessional behavior. If you're not going to take this site seriously, we ask that you leave.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

You never explained your reasons. What do you mean when you said I posted multiple times? What are you talking about? What do you mean when you say that I don't organize my thoughts. You post something, and I try to reply as best I can. I think each post should have one main topic, so that responses are not confused. Instead of just saying that I am unorganized, unprofessional, please tell me exactly what is unorganized about me, and what is unprofessional? How can you, a guy who has a swastika as an avatar, tell me that I should act more professional? Its free speech man. Don't tell me to leave. I am actually using words. I am not using a flag from a dead guy with a mustache that threw babies into ovens, so don't tell me to leave this website. People who use flags of dead-guys with mustaches who through babies into ovens should leave this website.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

I'm talking about how you decide to respond to ONE of my arguments with 3 or more arguments. Instead, just respond in one complete post, because all we end up doing is reposting the same arguments and get confused as to what we're talking about.use the numbered style1. jabberwhockies2. second argument3. third argument
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

Each argument was a different belief, so you could respond to each separately.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

No. They all end up talking about the same thing.There are better ways to do this.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

re: "I merely have it because I like how it looks. I like the rainbow flag, and I LOVE right angles. The swastika has 8 of them. L is one of my favorite letters. The Swastika has 4 of them, and depending on how you look at it, you can make even MORE Ls. Cool, right? I also like the direction this particular swastika is facing. Kind of looks like a ninja star being thrown towards the right. I hate it when ninja stars are thrown towards the left."You think this is a joke? You think this is funny?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

Your total bitterness and inability to debate about serious topics is pretty funny, so yeah.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

How am I unable to debate? You have not offered a single reason for why you are not a Nazi sympathizer or a total douche-bag. I make clear arguments that those who use the swastika are one or the other, and you have not responded to any of my arguments.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

Yeah, that's not a very clear argument.And you didn't accept my answer.WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME? SHALL I BEG? DO YOU WANT TO SEE MY PENIS? I CAN SHOW YOU! i've had to show my penis before.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

So your debate is telling me that I can't debate? How long does this go around in circles?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

re: Those who don't want swastikas baned on this discussion forum "hate the first amendment"I think this should be made into a new argument. I am late for work, but go ahead. You say all your stupid reasons to support this belief. I'll very briefly say this is not a first amendment issue. The government will allow you to say this, but private citizens can create discussion forums with whatever reason they want. If I wanted to ban anyone who used the letter "E" I could create a forum, and have that as a rul. I love the first amendment. I love that our parents and grandparents fought Nazis under the banner of the swastika so you can have the right to pat yourself on the back for being counter-intuitive and say look at me I'm so different!
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

True supporters of the first amendment would not propose a banning of others for practicing speech. There's a difference between being okay with the first amendment as a law and actually supporting what its purpose is.You are only the former.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

You don't know me. You can make whatever argument you want, but you refuse to make an argument. All you do is repeat the words free speech, and call me a fascist, but you have never actually used your free speech rights, to speak.Go ahead and tell us how those who use swastica's are not nazi supporters or douche bags.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

*12 right angles.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

I've counted 8, but I only count the indents... so we may just have some kind of confusion.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Think of a bold X, each of it's ends has two corners, and in a swastika, each corner is 90 degrees, and each arm has an extra right angle bend. That's how I'm seeing it.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

Er, I wish I could just circle the right angles so you can see what I'm referring to. but okay.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

I find our flirting around the vey serious subject matter with our petty geometry digression incredibly hilarious, by the way.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

it's not that serious---------------------------------------------------------
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Oh please, anything that potentially involves Nazis isn't exactly pleasant for the masses to talk about. Also is this notable for homosexuals, in the same respect do people get uppity about them.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

It would be more serious if the actual topic was important.The guy has a grudge against me. It's as serious as an old lady worried about the black orderlies stealing from her. Sure, stealing is serious, but we all know grandma is just senile and racist.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Granted, but the senility and racism is still a concern. Trust me grandma, those melanin-endowed individuals have no issue with you.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

I see; the serious matter in this debate is ACTUALLY this man's over-sensitivity and quickness to judge.If only he mattered to me...
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Welcome to the Internet, nothing means shit to anything, haha.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

re: "I've counted 8, but I only count the indents... so we may just have some kind of confusion"And you accuse me of spamming this site?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

I get called a "Comrade" because I decided to move my argument about your swastica? You had posted on one of my other post, and questioned your use of the swastica as your avatar. I decided to move my post to a new topic... I didn't know it would cause a masive freak out, but if you don't want to talk about what the swastica stands for, and you just want to freak out because some one uses a very useful button built into every keyboard, then go right ahead... lets not debate the issue, but call me a fascist because I use the copy and paste button. Way to go.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

and it sounds like someone is taking things too personally.just like those damn jews.holocaust never happened, duh.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

You see, when you say somthing like the following on the internet:and it sounds like someone is taking things too personally.just like those damn jews.holocaust never happened, duh.How are we to know if you are serious or not? How are we to all know that you are just joking? How is a Jewish person who comes to this site, and sees swastika's all over it supposed to just know that you are joking, and being ironic, or something?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: free speech

How are we to know if you are serious or not? How are we to all know that you are just joking? How is a Jewish person who comes to this site, and sees swastika's all over it supposed to just know that you are joking, and being ironic, or something?idk how rats think.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Although many do not like the idea of the Swastika it is their right to put on as their avatar. I have seen this person around the site and have yet to see him be offensive to someone.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

I am not saying they don't have a right to do it. However, I also believe that the owner of this website has the right to remove people who are extremely offensive. I find the swastika extremely offensive. Someone wrote the following: "When in jr high I drew a swastika on my notebook with the words' "Surf Rules". It was a surf brand. My mother, having served in WW2 as a WAC had seen human skin purses & lamp shades & the horror that it represents, got really angry & explained what it was about. This is what it represents... innocent people dying the most horrific deaths, people even being accused of being Jewish or helping a friend that was Jewish were murdered & raped in these camps, painful experiments resulting in death of women & unborn twins & children. It isn't a laughing matter the torture that these people have been through because of Hitler & his comrades."All "ThePyg" could do is respond with sarcasm. He said: "Damn, yo. Swastikas did all that? i thought it was Hitler and those scientists..."That is the definition of a classic douche-bag.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

Well I am not disagreeing with you in terms of the swastika being offensive because it is but like you said yourself it's up to the owner to make the rules. I have not seen Pyg be offensive to anyone when answering debates.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

I think if a person wants to use a swastika as their avatar, then they have the right to do so. Personally, I don't like the symbol, but to each... his own. I don't want anyone telling me what is proper or not to use for an avater.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

To each their own? It is acceptable to promote racism? To each their own? It is acceptable to have the flag of those who tried to annihilate the Jewish people? To each their own? It is OK to have the flag of a regime that stuffed men women and children into gas-chambers, ovens, and mass-graves? To each their own? You can be so open minded that your brains fall out. Swastika's are bad. What is it in people that just says nothing is bad?
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

I said...He has the right to use what he wants to for his avatar. I said I personally didn't like them, BUT you can't tell people what symbols they can and cannot use...The first Amendment gives us all the right for freedom of expression....
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

There is nothing wrong with the symbol, just how it's perceived. That symbol has been around a lot longer than the Nazis. I have 2 pitchers made in the 1910s that have that symbol all over them and that was prior to the Nazis. In an old catalog, it was listed as a pitcher with a Hopi good luck symbol. It's also been used as a sun symbol in some cultures and the Norse viewed it as a symbol of Thor's Hammer in flight.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are bad

Because of its use by Nazi Germany, the swastika since the 1930s has been largely associated with Nazism and white supremacy in most of the Western countries. As a result, all of its use, or its use as a Nazi or hate symbol is prohibited in some jurisdictions. Because of the stigma attached to the symbol, many buildings that have contained the symbol as decoration have had the symbol removed. Steven Heller, of the School of Visual Arts, has argued that from the moment it was "misappropriated" by the Nazis, it became a mark and weapon of hate, and could not be redeemed.(Steven Heller, "The Swastika: Symbol Beyond Redemption?", Allworth Press, New York, 2008, passim but especially p. 161-9)
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

Still, all you asked is if the swastika is bad or not bad. It is a symbol that predates Nazis. It doesn't matter what someone from a school of visual arts claims...it's all about perception.
Debate: People should not use swastika as their avatar
Side: Swastika are not bad

ThePyg uses it ironically. A backwards swastika was used by Hindus (I believe, something close to that) for thousands of years before Nazis existed. I refuse to give rainbow rights exclusively to the gay community and in the same vein I refuse to cry Nazi every time I see a couple crooked lines intertwined.Surpressing speach does not stop it, it puts it in the dark where it is only seen by a small group who have one reason or another to agree. Let even the craziest speak publically, without fear so they say exactly what they mean. Then they lose power. If they are talking in the dark to only a few others, they gain power.Even if the case should happen, a devout true nazi comes to this site, with Swastika quoting Hitler even, better here than places that person will not be questioned and exposed as a fraud. Slith... whatever is the only dude like that I've seen here, and he's a joke. There's no harm in freedom of speach no matter how extreme the views as long as there are intelligent people around.