azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

Although America was once upon a time a rich or wealthy country, we are now broke and in grave danger of a financial collapse!! The good ole days are over for America due to our $14 trillion dollar debt! We will continue to see more trouble in our near future! Civil unrest, homelessness, and unemployment has made itself at home here in America! Wake up America! watch or follow the news and open your eyes an watch whats happening all around you! Stop believing and falling for the deceptive picture of lies that the government paints for you! use your brain that the Lord gave you and do some heavy online research concerning your human rights,read the U.S. constitution,write your representatives and congress members!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I just don't want to add the feeling of being owned even more. And I don't think there is any better way in saying I own you by taking away parts of your body. I mean come on people it not right.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I don't feel that it is truly wrong. But I would not do it. I don't like that people neuter just because of any reason. I have a fence so I don't have no reason to do something that doesn't need to be done. I like my boy I respect him just like I would want to be respected like if I was a dog. I don't have a female for him but I am know thinking about getting a spayed female for him.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Neutering is wrong. People say if you do not neuter them they will have bad behaviors. No it not training them more that does. This what I got to say to people that neuter there dog just because there to lazy or do not have the time. If you do not have the time to train them then you don't have the time to own them. Spaying is okay I am all for that. To help stopping the overpopulation. But neutering is not the way to go. You would not do it to your sell or do it to other human. Do not do it to the dog. Would you like being hold down and get your right taken away. Men go to work and get to go home to the he loves. Dog go's to work and get hold down and get there male hood taken away. Some people say will he lucky that I save him. Thank you for saving me but that does not mean I give you the right to take my right away. I take 10 minutes to watch my dog outside. If you can't do that than you should not own a dog. It not right for him to lose his stuff but you get to keep yours.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

It's true that training is always necessary to curb bad behaviors. But how can you be pro-spay due to overpopulation, and anti-neuter? It is far far more invasive for the female of the species. And technically, neutering is for both males and females, as it encompasses the whole process. Spay is females, and Castration is for males. Also, like hell I wouldn't do it to another human - if only it were legal (sigh...). And men do choose to voluntarily have the procedure done - it's called a vasectomy. Neuter both male and female dogs, cats, etc. and overpopulation will drop radically.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

human choosing to cut off his dick. Is different then making him cut off his dick. It go's the same with animals. But animals can't say yes or no to that. But we can guss what they would say. Ok do you see male humans asking to have there dicks cut off. No so why would a animal want tthere's off. They wouldn't and by forcing them to cut there dick off is wrong.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

It's not the same as cutting it off. It's snipping a couple of tiny tubes inside so that he can't reproduce - like a vasectomy. Do you actually understand how minor the surgery is? They don't even notice it. At the vet's office, we always sent pain pills and a e-collar home with the animal, for pain and so that he wouldn't like the stitches, respectively. Rarely did either ever get used. The dogs would wake up and go right back to normal life.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I worked at shelters I know how they do it. if you neuter your dog that wrong why should he pay just because your lazy.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Ok if anything yes vasectomy are not wrong because they get to have there stuff and feelings but neutering is wrong no matter what.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Human choosing to have sex with dog. Is different than letting him have sex with you. Animal can't say yes or no to that.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

True but they can show it. By there body language.!!!!!!!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

So can a kid...Also, one can misinterpret body language.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

yes but that different that a kid we are taking about adults.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Some kids are smarter than dogs. Also kids can consent much better than dogs can.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

so that doesn't mean anything. even if they asked for sex you would not even it to them
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Why not?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

because there under age. And adult dogs are not. !!!!!!!!!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

An adult dog can be anywhere from 2-12 years old.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

And were are you going with this adult dogs can't have sex or something.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

A human should not have sex with dogs.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

if you want to talk about that go here http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ should itbelegaltohavesexwithdogs_3
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

why shouldn't a human hav sex with dogs. There is nothing wrong with two adults making love.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Upon what basis, exactly, do you claim that animals have the same rights as human beings?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

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Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

ok yes I see why it not ok to neuter but it ok to spay will it not ok to spay but it better than chopping dicks off. I see women gets spay all the time my wife is spayed LOL.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Spaying ok. Choppin Balls off, not Ok.Spaying usually does not affect the psyche of the animal.Choppin balls off of a dog will take a lot out of'em. Would you want someone taking away your happiness?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Actually, neutering is the easier of the two surgeries, with a shorter recovery time and less complications. And - the dog can still have sex, so he's not really losing anything.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I have study on that yes they can still have sex but it can hurt the male. so it still better to not neuter
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Neutering is wrong.Not only is it wrong to deform an animal's genitalia in an effort to get them to behave, but it's limiting a species potential to little more than human entertainment.I don't think their is a greater way to say "I own your entire race" than to limit how many of that race are even allowed to be born.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Out of curiosity, why exactly is any of that objectively wrong?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I did not say it was objective. Nothing really is wrong objectively.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

The reason I asked why it was objectively wrong is because I place little to no value in the subjective. If your entire rationale is subjectively derived I will not even bother debating this matter with you. The exchange would basically be you asserting that your belief is correct, me asking you why, and you saying because you feel that it is. There really is no point to that.Further, things can be considered objectively wrong depending upon how you semantically distinguish wrong and right. Traditionally most people identify right and wrong on a subjective, emotional basis. However, right and wrong may be contextualized within an objective system of probable preferentiality. That is an entirely different subject however.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I agree that there really is no point in arguing. I feel, like you said, that it is my belief that to dominate an animal in the manner that humans do is, wrong, but obviously because it's legal, someone somewhere found a more convincing reason to saying it was right, or acceptable.My initial reasoning behind it being wrong is to look at it from the animals's perspective. In the nigh impossible possibility that the human race is toppled by another species, if that species had decided to neuter us to keep us behaved and to keep us from overpopulating what they call their planet I wouldn't be very pleased.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

The probability of that scenario is not only exceptionally unlikely, but is an altogether different one from the present dynamic in question. Humans are cognitively distinct from most, if not all, other species with respect to our capacity for consent, reasoning, awareness, etc.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I wouldn't say that because you can reason it out, makes it right. Serial killers often have reasons for their kills and they are still imprisoned for doing something wrong.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I have positively no idea in what manner this relates to my arguments, other than that perhaps you are side-stepping my most recent one and returning to my premise of the value of objectivity. Serial killers do not have objective reasons for killing; they have subjective rationalizations, at most. The comparison is also pointless, unless you can demonstrate why applying a standard of objective reason to the case of neutering would lead to something compellingly "bad".
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

You stated that humankind's doings, namely neutering isn't wrong, because humans have a different thought process and we have things more thought out than animals. I submit that serial killers have things more thought out than non killers, yet they are still 'wrong'.It seems to me you are saying neutering isn't wrong because more people are okay with it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

That is not what I said. What I actually said was not that people think more, but that we think differently. The difference between an average human being and a serial killer is not remotely comparable to the difference in cognitive function between a human being and any other species. Perhaps most notably, human beings possess a capacity for self-awareness that enables reflection upon the past, conscious awareness of the present, and future projection. Humans possess the cognitive capacity for consent; other species do not.In some sense, however, I am saying that neutering is acceptable because people are okay with it. Human beings have never, do not, and very probably will never perceive animals as intrinsically and independently valuable. Most people eat animals, use and consume animal products, own animals, etc. Why should neutering be an exception when murder, consumption, and slavery are not?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

human beings possess a capacity for self-awareness that enables reflection upon the past, conscious awareness of the present, and future projection. Humans possess the cognitive capacity for consent; other species do not..............Animals are capable of all that..................In some sense, however, I am saying that neutering is acceptable because people are okay with it...................I am not ok with it and alot of other people are not ok with it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Animals are capable of that.Although substantiation of your claim would have been nice, I appreciate your pushing back on the matter. It prompted me to revisit the body of research pertaining to animal cognition, which I had not done with any great detail for a couple of years now. What I found:+ The 2012 the Cambridge conference on "Consciousness in Human and Nonhuman Animals" passed a statement observing that: "Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. (Source A)+ However, different animals may have different kinds of cognitive processes and these are better understood in terms of the ways in which they are cognitively adapted to their different ecological niches, as opposed to an hierarchy. (Source B, Reznikova)Effectively, cognition is a fairly consistent attribute across species but this does not inherently mean that that cognition takes the same form. I found no research indicating that other animals have a conception of consent, rights, or related issues. To the best of our knowledge these do remain subjectively formulated concepts unique to human beings.I am not ok with it and alot of other people are not ok with it.Even if my analysis above were not true, there is no inherent reason as to why such conceptual replication across species necessitates any modification in our behavior. This was rather more my point with respect to the majority behavior trend, and something you appear to have completely overlooked. It is not that majority conduct makes the action acceptable, but that this majority conduct is strongly indicative that evolution has predisposed us to prefer our own species above others (much as other species are largely predisposed to prefer their own species to others).Do you eat meat or any animal byproduct? Do you wear any products using leather, wool, or other animal products? Do you have a pet? Do you object to others who do any of these things to the same extent as you do to the act of neutering. If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then my point is further proven. If this were a matter of respecting the cognitive integrity, consciousness, or rights of other species none of these other things would be acceptable.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I would love to debate with you on this but I am sick so I can't think straight right know. I would just like to say. I know what there capable of. I have worked with dogs all my life. And when I am feeling better to answer your really long and boring argument. I will do so but that when I feel better.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I doubt very much that you would. You clearly find a fully developed argument substantiated by evidence to be "boring". I can only conclude that, as with basic spelling and grammar, you find evidence and analysis wholly superfluous. I really cannot be bothered to engage in such a farcical debate with you.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I find it boring because I am just going to read it all then make a big argument saying how your argument is false knowing that it is I just don't feel up to debating right know. I have alot of work to do if I want to get my job back because fucking walmart is not paying the bills and I just don't need to debate with someone on something that I know is for fact truly wrong
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Ah, I see. You categorically assume that you are always right and that everyone else is wrong, and when someone presents a full argument that actually requires effort it's boring and you can't be bothered. How convenient.P.S. For the record, busy and bored are not synonyms. That you will reply later because you have to work is totally reasonable, and I never remotely objected to that.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I am not always right I know that but on a topic that I worked all my life on I know I am 100% right on my topic and p s your wrong lol get banned
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Humans may have the capacity for consent but the animal that they are destroying the genitalia of, do not. So how does that statement prove that it's right?In your saying that "neutering is acceptable because people are okay with it" is comparable to saying Hitler's actions were okay because the nazis were okay with it, and that just like my initial argument is not objective.To your final question, "Why should neutering be an exception when murder, consumption, and slavery are not?" I don't consider any of that to be right. Slavery is wrong for the same reason i believe neutering to be, and eating is only acceptable as far as surviving goes.When it comes down to it, we seem to at least both agree that this is entirely subjective.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

So how does that statement prove that it's right? & HitlerYou are thoroughly missing the distinctions in my argument, repeatedly. The lack of a capacity for consent does not make the action okay. That most people find it acceptable does not make the action okay. What these two realities indicate is that rights are a human construct and that humans further have an evolutionary predisposition to prefer our own species over others. This is entirely natural, and is evidenced in our historically consistent conduct towards other species (and of others species towards others species, generally... would you think a tiger was wrong to kill a human being? or an antelope?). My argument is that because animal rights do not objectively exist and there is an evolutionary basis for our personal species preference, it is not wrong to neuter animals.As far as Hitler, I refer you to Godwin's law. If you persist in making inaccurate and non-comparable comparisons to intra-species genocide and homicide, I will terminate my involvement with you on this thread.I don't consider any of that to be right. Slavery is wrong for the same reason i believe neutering to be, and eating is only acceptable as far as surviving goes.If you believe pet ownership is wrong I presume you do not and never will own a pet, and that you morally condemn those who do. With respect to eating animals, this is not actually necessary at all and is a demonstrably inefficient source of nutrition. That you qualified the consumption of animals in this respect indicates your own moral ambiguity and contradiction on the matter (or an ignorance of basic nutrition). For your view to be validated, you must believe that anyone who eats meat or consumes any animal byproduct is immoral. Would you also believe that using any animal product or byproduct for medicinal reasons is morally wrong? Even if it cost human lives not to do so? If so, you are arguing not only that we should ignore our evolutionary species preference but that we should put other species before our own.When it comes down to it, we seem to at least both agree that this is entirely subjective.No, we do not agree on that. I consider your perspective to be a subjective emotional compulsion, whereas mine is objectively founded in an analysis of evolution and human behavior.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Your example is it wrong for a tiger to kill an animal, is flawed. It can't be compared to a human's cutting the testicles off of an animal. Even as you said humans have distinct reasoning. A tiger wouldn't kill a human for no reason the reason would be for survival means. How would neutering help human survival, that's rhetorical because it does not.For your assumption of of my dietary habits, it is also wrong. Eating meat is something humans have been doing for ages, their's no reason to stop it, thus no reason I would. I am not arguing that we put other species before our own, if testing a drug on an animal will save our species then it is what needs to be done for our survival, but spaying and pet ownership do not further our survival, it's strictly for entertainment or show. If the animal were more sapient it might as well be called slavery, and I think we both can agree that that was wrong, even though based on your logic of how we should further our own race at the detriment of others, the white race might see it as right.Your closing arguing is completely wrong. Objectively castrating an animal is in no way okay. It is my personal opinion that neutering is wrong, it is the human opinion that it is okay, but I believe no species alive is okay with that nor do that want it.You say that so long as it furthers our race it is okay evolutionary, but I say that pet ownership does not further our race, nor does anything involved with it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I believe that surgical procedures should only be performed without the consent of the patient when it is a necessary procedure to save the patients life.I extend this to both humans and animals.I understand that spaying and neutering is used primarily to prevent unwanted breeding- but can't this also be done simply by simply not allowing an animal to mate? Seems to me that it's a copout for people who want to have a pet but don't want to care for and supervise said pet properly.Instead of performing surgery on Spot, why not install a fence?An unwanted pregnancy in a teenage human is certainly far more of a disaster than an unwanted pregnancy in a pet; should we mandate that all teenage girls be kept on birth control?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

There's other benefits to these procedures than just overpopulation. For one, an unspayed female is at significant risk for pyometria, while a spayed female has no risk - and that can kill them. Male dogs are likely to get testicular cancer at a young age, as well as any number of urological issues. Overpopulation is simply the most obvious and well known of the reasons to neuter. Once any of the diseases have started, it is significantly more difficult to solve the problem. This is more relatable to the woman who's at great risk for breast cancer, so she has a proactive masectomy, or in a guy's case, is at risk for testicular cancer and has a vasectomy.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

True but there are also when you neuter them it increase other disease. so it doesn't matter.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

What other diseases? I know there have been a few studies indicating such but those studies are relatively inconclusive due to the way they were executed. Further research is obviously necessary, but with the information we have now, neutering is the best option, (excluding professional breeders).
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I will have to remember them. I have not seen them in awhile. But still disease or no disease it just wrong. You can't watch the animal for 10 minutes or at lease buy a finance than you should not be owning it. Ask me this why should he pay just because your lazy.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Because it's not just about the overpopulation thing. I have a fence, and I always watch my dogs when they're outside. All of them are neutered. I have cats who remain indoors at all times. All neutered. I go out of my way to keep them safe, and a result of that is doing a surgery that has little to no effect on their quality of life and keeps them safe and healthy.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

their quality of life and keeps them safe and healthy. will till me would you want to be safe and healthy or would you want your freedom and your respect.