azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

It comes as no suprise that you sound like a moron, because to believe the point you're trying to make you would in fact have to be a moron...realize that. Now what do you have to say for the people living in the horrible places of the world who never see one ounce of joy. Why has "god" neglected the people of North Korea and just chose to give us happiness and swimming, and football, and walking with our girlfriends. Ha you are so naive it's pathetic
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: however

Stop speaking in tongues, for none whom I know can interpret your tongue. I recommend that you debate with people of your own tongue and forego debating people of a tongue that you clearly don't understand. For your sakes, and your sakes alone, have I counseled you to do such!
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Why not give the judgment of charity and not condemnation. Wouldn't you expect that if you were visiting a foreign country?
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Why not give the judgment of charity and not condemnation. Wouldn't you expect that if you were visiting a foreign country? So, where is your post that illustrates charity in lieu of condemnation toward ‘fachrulisme’?Secondly, my counsel is an act of charity. It could be said that I spared ‘fachrulisme’ from a scathing assault against his/her faith, whatsoever that may be.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Belief in God, religion irrelevant is good and has been proven to be beneficial to the psyche of the average person. Humans can't comprehend with the notion that someday your life will end. So a psychological response was made. The idea of a benevolent being watching over you after you die. I for one DO believe in a place after life , despite not believing the most widely accepted religions.However abuses of the idea are common, for instance dying/killing/sacrificing yourself or somebody else for GOD because that is supposedly the greater good.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

That's alot.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

What does it take to decide what is the greater good. You need a moral agent using logic and reason to asses a current situation and then to judge that against a perceived standard. The only thing in that string of events that is physical and made up of matter is the moral agent, but it's morality,logic, reason, assessment and judgment are not. To put it another way; you can't open it's head and see it's thoughts. They have no projection in space; a characteristic of matter. And don't tell me it's like computer memory because every one knows what happens to your hard-drive when you put to much on it. The last time I checked, no ones head gets bigger the more they know ( well I guess it does in one way) The point is that these are non-physical realities. And no they're not the product of chemical reactions, you can mix water and baking soda all day and the bubbles will never talk to you.Point is this; If atheism is true than we have a whole lot of stuff that shouldn't be here. A lot of non-physical realities in a purely physical world. A lot of stuff that atheism can't account for. Well, they can if they use those non-physical realities to prove that those non-physical don't exist. Oh whoops, darn it that's a self refuting argument.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

If you down voted this argument it would be more credible if you gave a reason why.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

if anything is not physical, then there must be a god? i think you took a few leaps too many there. animals have fear etc and differring morals based on the changes their species has encountered over time thats exactly what evolution is"no ones head gets bigger the more they know" - a hard drive doesn't get any bigger as it stores more information either
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

i believe there is more evidence that the greater good is decided by the greater - politically that is. whether a king or a democratic plurality, our morals tend to evolve along with the society the sets them.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I would challenge your assertion that there are "a lot of non-physical realities in a purely physical world". What realities are these? Give concrete examples, don't just throw out the assertion.For example, you could say, "I believe the mind is an example of a non-physical reality." I would disagree, but then we could argue about it.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

People who need a god in order to feel they should follow the laws are literally sick in the mind, and they should be isolated from the rest of the world. They lack real, concrete morals and a decent understanding of the world. We should not feed this behavior, because if they ever snap, they become extremely dangerous.Instead of threatening people with the wrath of god and eternal hellfire, we should explain why love and understanding is important. We should explain to them that we are all in this together, and without empathy and caring(the Russians played out a sick experiment to prove this one), we would die. We should explain that when you help someone, you have helped yourself. We should explain that pain and sweat are necessary to survive.Most importantly though, we should explain that the only part of them that will be left here when they die is what they did, and your actions are a mark on you for eternity, god or no god.Recently, I have begun to believe in a higher power again. I don't know what it is, but I do know this:What Jesus was trying to get people to see was the value of freedom. The power of numbers, the power of helping, the power of love, the power of caring, and why it matters. Most people see Jesus as an icon who was crucified for being 'too awesome' or 'too great'. They killed Jesus because he was trying to teach people what it means to care. I firmly believe that if there is a god, and he is the christian god, that he wants people to act with moral integrity for the love of the world. Not because there's a hell. People tend to get that twisted.Please for everyone, Kindness for Kindness sake, not for heaven or hell. Tread the noble path with noble intent, and you are truly a good person. Tread the noble path because you're afraid of being hurt, and you're a fucking coward.Whew, that's all I have to say about that.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Hopefully you're not being serious in the first paragraph. In general human kind is decent. You're making it seem that the world can live without authority. My point is that we need some form of authority and that God is the ultimate authority.Again people are decent and do things out of their own hearts, but the world doesn't work in that way, the majority of people need to be pushed in the right direction, no matter how big or small that push is.I am not trying to portray God as a terrible guy with a whip which keeps as in line. Only showing His superiority to the police or law.Who is God? The Almighty, Benevolent, Omniscient etc. He is the most moral, righteous, loving, wise etc. He is perfection. That is God. God tells people to do out of love, nobility, righteousness etc. But he has also set the law. Because He is God, His law is right, so living by His word is right. We cannot decide what is right or wrong, as we all have different opinions of what is wrong or right. So if you are to say tread the noble path... wtf is the noble path? It's easy to say, but your noble path is completely different to my noble path and if everybodies noble path is different then there is only one being who can truly decide what is right and wrong as He is Right. THAT is God. He loves you, He takes care of you, He guides you, He juedges you, He punishes and rewards you. In the end He can do everything that nobody else can do.You understand where I'm coming from?
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

You sir, are sick in the head and should be isolated from the rest of society for the greater good. What you're saying is that god is the ultimate punishment and the only way people can have a sense of direction is through him. That is utter bullshit.I honestly don't know how else I can say that.People don't need a god. People need other people to guide them.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Lol. No I think you're sick in the head. If you think the world works without police, army, governments, courts, laws, teachers, doctors etc. then you need to be locked up.Let me repeat - GOD IS NOT JUST THE ULTIMATE 'PUNISHMENT'. HE IS ALL. HE LOVES YOU THE MOST, HE GUIDES YOU THE BEST, HE DOES EVERYTHING BETTER THAN ANYBODY IN REAL LIFE CAN. THAT IS WHY HE IS GOD. If you have an IQ above 50 you would understand what I'm saying. So far you haven't.Please explain to me what the definition of God is? Then tell me whether or not that definition means He is better than any human alive. It does right?... hmmmm..... So doesn't that mean by following somebody who knows all is the right way in life?... I don't know about you, but to me I would follow somebody who knew everything and would do the best for me rather than to follow somebody who knew quite a bit and would do the best for me. ANYday.Ofcourse People need other people to guide them. THAT IS WHY GOD SENDS DOWN PROPHETS. They are there to tell people God's word.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Ofcourse People need other people to guide them. THAT IS WHY GOD SENDS DOWN PROPHETS. They are there to tell people God's word.If god were real then he could just tell people himself. This is ridiculous logic.Let me repeat - GOD IS NOT JUST THE ULTIMATE 'PUNISHMENT'. HE IS ALL. HE LOVES YOU THE MOST, HE GUIDES YOU THE BEST, HE DOES EVERYTHING BETTER THAN ANYBODY IN REAL LIFE CAN. THAT IS WHY HE IS GOD. If you have an IQ above 50 you would understand what I'm saying. So far you haven't.Um, name one thing god has done in the history of mankind and you may have an argument here.So doesn't that mean by following somebody who knows all is the right way in life?... I don't know about you, but to me I would follow somebody who knew everything and would do the best for me rather than to follow somebody who knew quite a bit and would do the best for me. ANYdayProblem is, there is no god who knows everything. I mean, even the books of any religion that were supposed to come from this mythical being are riddled with contradiction. I mean, wouldn't an all knowing everything at least not contradict themself?The only real excuse one can make is "well, it was written by man."Well in that case, if it's ultimately just other people you're listening to anyway when you are "hearing the word of god"why bother with a god at all in that case? Why not just have people? - since that's all it is anyway even by the admission of the religious.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I don't remember saying there shouldn't be some sort of authority. I honestly think you're construing my words insanely though. So I'll say this as simply as possible:If there is a god, and he is truly the Christian God, then he would not want people to be afraid of him or do the right thing just because he exists and is there.My whole point is, you should be a good person because being a good person is the right thing to do, not because your religion says it or because your belief dictates you should. You should just be a good person.You don't need a god to have the ability to be a responsible, loving, and caring person. If you think that, you're lost. I understand everything you are saying perfectly. You do not understand me.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

We're just going round in circles. Firslty, I don't believe in Christianity. However as I've said SEVERAL times that people ARE good in GENERAL. So if YOU think that I think that we NEED GOD to be w/e.. then again you have completely missed what I've said. Not just once, or twice, but now 3 times. (That's quite a lot of times ehh)People ARE good. But explain to me what being good is? Is murder good? In certain circumstances is it justified? Or is it never justified? I feed my kids because I love my kids, not because God tells me to. Even if he did not tell me to, I would still feed them. It's the right thing to do.One example. Adultery. You tell me is it right or wrong? Those who have thought of or have actually cheated will say its right, but those who haven't will say its wrong. Can we make a decision on whether or not it should be punishable? In the end, God says its wrong. I think He has a better idea of whether or not its right or wrong. THAT is why we take his word, because we cannot make the right decision.Hopefully you understand this time. Fourth time lucky. Yay........
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

So if people are good in general, then they should probably make good choices. If they're not making good choices, then they're not really good in general, now are they? If you give a man a knowledge of good and evil, regardless of his beliefs, he'll know what good and evil are. Whether or not his concept of good and evil are the same is up to him, isn't it? Society however, has the power to control the outliers and people who just don't get it.Well as far as murder and other really dumb shit to pull, it's usually considered bad if you're ending up hurting people and/or the community in general by doing it. I don't need a god to tell me that shooting someone is a bad idea, or that it's going to hurt somebody. And yeah, sometimes it is justified. There are some people in this world that need to die because they're a cancer.Adultery? Well, that's a personal choice thing now isn't it. Whether or not someone chooses to care who their mate has sex with is up to them. Most of the time people get really pissed off at that thing. If you enter a relationship where your mate would care, it's probably a bad idea to go fooling around.I honestly do understand everything you are saying, you're being thick headed.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

That's sounds nice; but why should I? It's a whole lot easier to live for myself. Besides who cares if things get better or not? If there is no God what difference does it make; everything just becomes an exercise in futility. We have no purpose or meaning apart from God. Without God what then is the moral imperative? What then is the "ought" to. Why should we care? Without God we are all headed for nothing. You should take some time to walk through a cemetery and if you get a chance to see a fresh dug grave, stare at it for a while because that my friend is your destiny.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Why should you be good for the sake of being good? because you would have a deeper and more educated understanding of the needs for kindness (for example) for you and your peers in this world. Education allows us to understand our importance in this world, not just as individuals but as members of a society. My well-being in this world depends on how well I am able to relate to others. Education allows me to see that some actions cause harm to my peers and this is undesirable because, through education, I have attained an understanding about their personal dignity. I do not do things based on some reward, I do things based on a practical (and scientific) understanding on the consecuences of actions. Morality becomes objective and factual, not subjective like most religions that impose rules and norms only because "God says so". Religious morality for example has been changing over time, proving that it is as subjective as any other type of opinion. the bible itself contains examples of the changes that occurr in the laws given to the people. At one point in time christians were not allowed to eat animals with hoofs, however this changed over time. We cannot base our concepts in books that change with the interpretations given to them. If we are looking for a solid conception of what the greater good is, we should find it in science and factual evidence as to what really is right or wrong behavior based on whether or not it is harmful to us.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

This is just plain silly. Are you saying only through education can people be right? There are millions of people out there who are uneducated and I would say they are more likely to go to heaven than I am. Education has f*ck all to do with this.I've said from the start not to bring different cases of religion in this. This is purely an argument about God, regardless of what religion is brought in. Not religion, not religious texts, scriptures, rules etc. I could go into greater detail and dismantle your argument but we'll be going into something completely different.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

CASE STUDY: Why it's impossible to have a meaningful debate about god with the indoctrinated.Sentence 1: "There are millions of people out there who are uneducated and I would say they are more likely to go to heaven than I am."Sentence 2: "This is purely an argument about God, regardless of what religion is brought in. Not religion, not religious texts, scriptures, rules etc.""This class is classic behaviour of those within a cult. They can in one sentence make a broad statement reflecting specifically their religious beliefs as stated as fact with absolutely no supporting evidence at all,then in the next sentence accuse the one being debated of doing what the cult member just did, whether the original argument in any way reflected the response.It is odd behaviour to any outside of that person's mind. But to that person, it is nearly impossible to see the hypocrisy, and frankly the silliness of the statement.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Words that have no meaning if atheism is true and words that shouldn't exist if atheism is true;good,deeper,educated,understanding.kindness,importance,well-being,well,harm,undesirable,attained,personal dignity,reward,practical ,scientific,Morality,subjective,opinion,religions,God,proving,opinion,laws,allowed,concepts,books,interpretations,greater good,right,wrong ,harmful.If you're arguing for atheism it sure sounds like you are borrowing language from another worldview to support your view.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

If you truly believe that, you are a lost cause to the world. Take some time to reevaluate who and what you are. I don't care if you have a faith or not, but when you help someone, it should be because it's the right thing to do, not because the magic sky daddy will punish you if you don't do the right thing.If living for yourself is so easy, then do it. Prove to the world that without a god you have no moral fiber. Prove that you're just a sheep, and that's all you have the potential to ever be. And when they forge into the future, they will condemn your name, and the names everyone like you.Perhaps there is no god, but even so, life is a precious gift. If you feel like there's no reason to live it without a god, then you're fucking useless. You have ignored Jesus' message. I wish you luck.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

You should take some time to walk through a cemetery and if you get a chance to see a fresh dug grave, stare at it for a while because that my friend is your destiny.wow... that was sooooo deep, I've never thought of death, I mean obviously that's why I'm atheist...LMAO. Sorry, couldn't say that with a straight face.True, we all die. But an atheist accepts that truth, and the religious live in perpetual denial.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Your an athiest for other reasons than that don't kid yourself.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I'm constantly amazed by people who cannot pick-up on sarcasm.You're point was that walking through a cemetery would somehow make one believe in god,which is an excellent point actually, as fear of death is probably when all is said and done, the number one reason people buy into religion - even more so than indoctrination.However, I was joking. Everyone thinks of death, even atheists. It's not as if people who don't believe in an afterlife aren't aware that death is immanent.Everyone knows, old news at this point. Walking through a cemetery is nothing but a pretty picture and self-validation for those who have chosen to believe in a myth out of fear.I'm an atheist because 1. If there were a god it would be much more obvious. I mean... why the mystery? come on now, 82% of the world population believes in him in one form or another, you can't get that many humans to believe in anything. So what's with all the hiding? 2. It doesn't make sense. It makes far more sense from observation that humans are a happy mistake (for humans) and nothing more. All science shows pretty conclusively that life was inevitable on this planet, and likely many more considering the numbers involved. So no creator is necessary. 3. From my experience, religious people act as if they're the victims of some mass hysteria, therefore without further proof available, I must assume they are victims of some form of mass hysteria.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

You know what? They are right, we are no different than animals, there is no God I'm happy and content knowing that now my life is easier because of it and when I die that will be all, that's a pretty happy ending to a great life, shitty or not.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

you should because if you don't the rest of us might put you in prison or a mental institution.What then is the "ought" to? - see reply to moral grounding
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

First of all most people do believe in God for the greater good, but Jesus was here on earth to show the people that their is God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Jesus main reason was to give his life for our sins for NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME Jesus said and God cannot be in the presence of sin.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

If you care about the greater good, you stick by it. You don't lie to get people to buy your greater good, you explain why they should. If still they decline, you keep pushing. If you know why your greater good is great, you'll be able to sell it to anyone without a single lie.Church is to the mind, what a prison is to the body.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Do you understand the meaning of greater good? It's basically that the end justifies the means. If people were to behave better under a lie (IF God is a lie) then wouldn't it be better to promote that lie? THAT is the greater good.I'm sorry, but just because you're right doesn't mean people will automatically follow you. World doesn't work like that.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

As is evidenced by the fact that not many people followed Jesus in His time. He was right about so many things but He wasn't followed then as He might have been. Most people did doubt Him even though He was right in His teachings.