azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Its sad how people does not realize who they are once. Even sadder how they deny any connection with their own brothers.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I realize what I once was.And I don't deny connection with my own brothers - however a random fetus is not my brother.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

"And I don't deny connection with my own brothers - however a random fetus is not my brother."Exactly what the slave traders said to the Africans. Exactly what War Propagandas say about their enemies. Exactly what pro-abortion says right now.Our History is littered with events where we invent lies to pretend that our own brother is not ours just to escape the guilt.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

You're biasedly defending the fetus because you are a human.This same argument could be used to defend slaughtering animals, or using them for animal testing. The truth of the matter is, it's equally bad to kill either, because both play a role in their little niche of the world.Humans are insignificant specks to the universe, ants are insignificant specks to humans, but we are both alive, so why is killing one more justified than killing another?Can you objectively say why killing a fetus is worse than killing an ant?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Killing an animal for the sake of eating is called "predation". It is a normal thing. Killing a fetus however is something far different, especially if you will abort it for reasons of selfishness and inability to stand for your mistakes.No, do not be a nihilist, we are not insignificant, we have our own ability to have a concept for morality and society. Use it well
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Yes but the fetus can also contribute to its community in the future.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Absolutely, but we can't be sure of that. It may contribute, it may not. It doesn't contribute now, and we're making the choice in the present, based on facts we know.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

What if that ant is a theist ?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

It cant be. An Ant is prone to contributing for its colony.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

It cant be. An Ant is prone to contributing for its colony.Do you realize that the wording of your argument says that theists don't contribute to society?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

What I mean is it knows nothing about anything but providing and helping its colony.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

It's still funny how you worded it :)
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

lol XD yeah maybe I should've worded it differently
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

The ant works and contributes, the fetus is just a parasite.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Its not the fetus's fault he's a parasite inside the womb. I find it retarded you would call your own offspring a parasite.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

So what if it's not its fault? It's still what it is, and it has no right to feed off the mother if she doesn't want that.I don't care that you find it retarded, it feeds on the woman, lives on her, so if you don't want it and it's there.. Yep, parasite.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.If she doesn't want it then that's her fault(unless she was raped)2.It technically isn't alive until 18 weeks so it doesn't become a parasite until then.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

1. And she can correct the mistake by aborting.2. Great, then even more of a reason to kill it instead of an ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.That is one of the most selfish most heartless thing a woman can do. Why should the fetus have to die just because of the mothers fucking mistakes its not the fetus's fault im neither pro-life nor pro-abort but killing a fetus just because of her retarded mistakes is heartless and foolish.2.whats more important our own offspring or an ant? You cant seriously pick ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

1. And the woman has the right to be selfish and heartless if she wishes so. She has a right to abort because the fetus is dependent on her, it can't live outside her body and if she doesn't want it inside, she can take it out. It dies outside of her, which means that it CAN'T live on its own... Which means the mother gets to decide what to do with it.2. I can pick ant if I want to. And so can any other woman that doesn't want offspring.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.Your right. :) we should kill all of our unborn children for selfish and heartless reasons (sarcasm)2.You act as if I am against rights or something? I never said a women doesnt have a right to be selfish and heartless and I never said you couldent pick ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

We shouldn't all. Only those who want to. If you want to keep your fetus you can keep it, but if someone doesn't want to, they can abort it. It's simple. Their reasons are none of your business.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Never said it was any of my business. I'm just saying that its selfish and heartless to do something like that.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Well, it's okay that you think that. They have reasons to make that choice, though.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Parasites by definition, are creatures who feeds off on other animals without killing it.Fetuses by definition, are unborn children who has to be sustained by their mothers.Get your facts straight
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

So a fetus feeds of the mother and doesn't kill her. Which you said a parasite was. Got that.I used "parasite" as a loose term, figuratively, not literally classifying a fetus as a parasite. Simply saying that it doesn't contribute, it just feeds of the woman. The point remains.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

A parasite is an animal who lives as a burden for others. A fetus is an unborn infant. Misunderstanding the two is just the same as degrading your own species
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

And if the woman doesn't want that fetus, it's a burden to her and her body.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

There is a difference between doesnt wanting it, and being deserving of it. The only allowable abortion are those times when she was raped and if it endangers her life.Children brought about by reasons of carelessness are a different matter
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

If she doesn't want it, it's a burden.A woman has a right to choose will she carry a child for 9 months. No one should be forced to do so if they don't want to.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

If I do not like my neighbor, does that give me rights to murder them?If I am hungry, does that give me rights to steal?Everyone has their rights to live the way they wanted, as long as no one is harmed.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Abortion is not murder.A fetus can not live outside the woman's body, so it dies when it's taken out. If it actually was a formed human being, that can live, killing it, of course, would be murder and no one would have the right to do that. But since the fetus is dependent on the mother and can't survive any other way, she has a right to take it out because it's not a completely separate being, it's connected to her and can't live if it's not.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

If all it takes to define a human is their concept of living outside the womb. Then I suppose that bed ridden people who depends on machines for survival are no longer human
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

When you take them off the machines, it's not murder. People can legally decide to take someone off machines if they're only vegetating.Which proves my point.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

If afraid you fail to understand.The point is that, if you believe that fetus are not human simply because they cannot survive outside the womb. Then whats the difference in a person who cannot survive without machines?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I believe that abortion is not murder, it's simply taking the fetus out of the womb. It dies because it can't survive outside the womb. A person who can't survive without machines can be taken off them. It's legal. It's not murder.So it's not about are they human or not, it's simply that abortion isn't killing anyone.Killing an ant, is actually killing.The fetus didn't really LIVE, it just existed there. The ant contributes to the ant colony, it has some actual value. While the fetus, if unwanted, has no value whatsoever.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So basically, you weight a persons humanity based on how they are valued in the society?judging by that logic, are you saying that aborigine tribes, hermits and outcast criminals are no longer human?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I weigh a person's VALUE based on how they are valued in the society. Not their humanity.I determine is someone human or not by simply wondering do they fit into the definition of a human. If they do, they're human. If they don't, they're not.However, not all humans have equal value. Nor should they recieve equal treatmant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Jesus was hated and thrown out of the village.Ancient Christians were thrown into the lions denWomen accused of witchcraft was burned at the stakeThe first Protestants were hangedSupporters of Confucious were buried aliveBlack people were taken as slaves and denied of human rightsDemocracy isnt justice, my friend. The moment you followed the herd, is the moment you lost your own voice.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

And what's your point with all of that? I know all that you said - now what is that supposed to prove?Democracy doesn't exist. It sounds good in theory, but in practice it's unachievable.And justice exists only if one fights for it.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

You said that a fetus holds no importance if it is not valued by its parents. And you said that the judgement of the society is what gives you your significance.Which means that, your saying that a human does not deserve to live if it is unwanted by everyone.Then I gave you the cases that says otherwise
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

If the fetus is unwanted by EVERYONE in its life, it absolutely holds no importance. And since the only ones who are in its life while it's a fetus are the parents, it has no value if they don't want it.The judgement of the society gives VALUE to the society. That's what you judge someone's value on.I'm not saying that a human does not deserve to live if its unwanted to everyone. I'm saying people have different values and they get treated according to their values to the society.However, even if not valuable to society in general, some people are valuable to CERTAIN people.So if a mother is choosing will she kill a fetus or an ant - she will choose fetus if she wants it, because it has significance to HER. If she doesn't want to, she will choose ant because the fetus has no value to her. However, in both cases, the fetus has no value to the society or even me as individual, so I'd choose the ant unless I choose to respect the mother's wishes.Jesus had family/friends.Ancient Christians did too.Accused women did as well.Protestants also.Supporters of Confucios alike.Black people the same.They had value to someone, they were significant to someone. Their lives did mean something, the mistreatment of them did affect them AND others.However they had no value to the society that rejected them. Still, they were HUMAN and there is no justifiable reason to kill a human unless they pose true danger to others.But, if something is NOT human and it's completely unwanted, it's fine to eliminate it because there's no reason to keep it, and usually not a way except for affecting someone else's life, in this case the woman's.So basically - a human has the right to live regardless of their value. However, not everyone has equal value. The treatmant of an individual depends on their value. Still, it doesn't take away their right to live.Yet a fetus is not a human, it's not living, so it can't be killed, nor can its life be taken away, nor does it have a right to "live" because it can't actually live.However an ant is already living, therefore killing it is taking away its right to. Plus it contributes to the colony, which gives it value,and puts it ahead of something with no value to anyone/anything.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

If the fetus is unwanted by EVERYONE its related to, it absolutely holds no importance. And since the only ones who are in its life while it's a fetus are the parents, it has no value if they don't want it.The judgement of the society gives VALUE to the society. That's what you judge someone's value on.I'm not saying that a human does not deserve to live if its unwanted to everyone. I'm saying people have different values and they get treated according to their values to the society.However, even if not valuable to society in general, some people are valuable to CERTAIN people.So if a mother is choosing will she kill a fetus or an ant - she will choose fetus if she wants it, because it has significance to HER. If she doesn't want to, she will choose ant because the fetus has no value to her. However, in both cases, the fetus has no value to the society or even me as individual, so I'd choose the ant unless I choose to respect the mother's wishes.Jesus had family/friends.Ancient Christians did too.Accused women did as well.Protestants also.Supporters of Confucios alike.Black people the same.They had value to someone, they were significant to someone. Their lives did mean something, the mistreatment of them did affect them AND others.However they had no value to the society that rejected them. Still, they were HUMAN and there is no justifiable reason to kill a human unless they pose true danger to others.But, if something is NOT human and it's completely unwanted, it's fine to eliminate it because there's no reason to keep it, and usually not a way except for affecting someone else's life, in this case the woman's.So basically - a human has the right to live regardless of their value. However, not everyone has equal value. The treatmant of an individual depends on their value. Still, it doesn't take away their right to live.Yet a fetus is not a human, it's not living, so it can't be killed, nor can its life be taken away, nor does it have a right to "live" because it can't actually live.However an ant is already living, therefore killing it is taking away its right to. Plus it contributes to the colony, which gives it value,and puts it ahead of something with no value to anyone/anything.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Oh great, a text wall.If the fetus is unwanted by EVERYONE its related to, it absolutely holds no importance. And since the only ones who are in its life while it's a fetus are the parents, it has no value if they don't want it.-So now your saying that Child Abuse and Animal abuse should be legalized because their parents, and owners does not want them. And therefore gives them all the rights to kill them?I'm not saying that a human does not deserve to live if its unwanted to everyone. I'm saying people have different values and they get treated according to their values to the society.However, even if not valuable to society in general, some people are valuable to CERTAIN people.- Dude you just contradicted yourself. Are you saying again that the vote of the people is the vote of righteousness?However, in both cases, the fetus has no value to the society or even me as individual, so I'd choose the ant unless I choose to respect the mother's wishes.-No value to the society? Are you saying that you were never once a fetus?Jesus had family/friends.Ancient Christians did too.Accused women did as well.Protestants also.Supporters of Confucios alike.Black people the same.They had value to someone, they were significant to someone. Their lives did mean something, the mistreatment of them did affect them AND others.- Then I suppose that abortion is even worse as you are killing someone who did nothing wrong.But, if something is NOT human and it's completely unwanted, it's fine to eliminate it because there's no reason to keep it, and usually not a way except for affecting someone else's life, in this case the woman's.-If a fetus is not a human, then would you mind telling me your definition of "Humanity"?So basically - a human has the right to live regardless of their value. However, not everyone has equal value. The treatmant of an individual depends on their value. Still, it doesn't take away their right to live.-Again, you contradicted yourself.You said that as long as you are significant to the community, you have the right to live. Now your saying that you cannot take away someones right to liveYet a fetus is not a human, it's not living, so it can't be killed, nor can its life be taken away, nor does it have a right to "live" because it can't actually live.- Again, if you believe that a fetus is not a human, then what is it?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Nope. Just because the owners or parents don't want them doesn't mean NO ONE does. Obviously social services care.I didn't contradict myself. Having less value than others doesn't mean that someone deserves to die.I was a fetus, and as a fetus I only had value to my family. No one else.Nope, abortion is not wrong. Often only the parents know about the fetus, and they don't want it. Others don't know it exists, therefore can't even want it.A blob of tissue in the first three months.I never said that someone's right to live is defined by their value to a community. I said their general value is defined by their value to the community. But even the less valuable have a right to live. Not contradictory, at all.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Nope. Just because the owners or parents don't want them doesn't mean NO ONE does. Obviously social services care.So I guess im right. Your saying that it is ok to abuse animals as their owners do not want them.I was a fetus, and as a fetus I only had value to my family. No one else.- Dont you find it funny that endangered species was protected and valued by the government while the fetus was offered none? Nope, abortion is not wrong. Often only the parents know about the fetus, and they don't want it. Others don't know it exists, therefore can't even want it.- So, now your saying that as long as no one heard of your existance, everyone has freedom to kill you?I never said that someone's right to live is defined by their value to a community. I said their general value is defined by their value to the community. But even the less valuable have a right to live.-Translation: If the community does not like you, you should just die?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

No, that's what YOU'RE saying. Nope, not funny. Humans arent an endangered species. Nope, again I already covered the "right to live" part. Again, the last quoted part is contradictory to your conclusion. Nowhere to draw that conclusion from.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

No, that's what YOU'RE saying.-Enlighten me then. Give me a reason why I should not beat up my dogNope, not funny. Humans arent an endangered species.-Same goes for dogs, cats and horses. They are not endangered, but why cant we kill them?Nope, again I already covered the "right to live" part.- You said "Often only the parents know about the fetus, and they don't want it. Others don't know it exists, therefore can't even want it."I translated it to "as long as no one heard of your existance, everyone has freedom to kill you"Prove me wrongAgain, the last quoted part is contradictory to your conclusion. Nowhere to draw that conclusion from.- You said "their general value is defined by their value to the community."It easily translates to "The community decides your right to live"My friend, just give it up. You are only contradicting yourself more and more
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Why should I give you a reason for that? I wouldn't beat up MY dog, nor would I beat up YOUR dog. Why shouldn't you? The fu*k do I know. I don't know reasons for your actions or lack of them.You can take your animal to get an abortion.You can't KILL a fetus. You can abort it. Which is different from killing.Even if no one cares - a person has a right to live.However a fetus is not a person, it's a blob of cells, so it doesn't have a right to live. It can only stay in the womb if the woman wants it, and if she doesn't, she has a right to take it out of herself.Like I said before - Your value does not decide your right to live.I'm not contradicting myself, you just can't grasp basic concepts. You should give it up because you don't seem to be able to understand some very simple theories.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Do you have any knowledge with fetus's? You obviously don't because the fetus begins to grow a brain at 4 weeks old. Which means when its brain fully develops. The fetus is alive. Tell me this, Would you rather be born into this world or not at all?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

It's brain didn't fully develop. It just begins to grow it.Me? I don't want to die NOW, but if I had a choice to choose BEFORE I did anything, then no, not at all.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

I Said it begins to develop not fully.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Well yes. I confirmed that................................
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Just because I enjoy pissing off the people who feel the people who support side ant are crazy, I'll add this tidbit: In the great grand scheme of things, the workings of the universe that humanity still hasn't discovered an answer, killing either an ant, or a fetus is so infinitesimally small that the effect would be incalculably small. Measuring the effect either one could have had, if that were possible, would be like trying to even divide the number of atoms on a pin head accurately. We are an insignificant species people, get over yourselves.