azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Even though modern society is generally more educated than ever before regarding gender equity, gender equity is still set back by gender stereotypes. Fortunately, the truth affirms the fact that women can do the job just as well as men. In fact, to prove this, an article has been featured at: http://www.cardealexpert.com/news-information/opinion/gender-stereotypes-female-mechanics/
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

You are wrong, are trying to tell me that you think that even though women are payed less it is still wrong. You are insane. Also when you said "Woman have every legal right to take charge and dominate in business and careers." you are wrong, they can not dominate the same way because they are dated less! before I start cursing I should stop talking.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

One word......WAAAHHH
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Well your self description says it all, "I'm a shithead!"
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender. Women are underpaid, overworked, and are rarely in positions of power and authority. This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men. The reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men). The difference is accounted for in the women's perceptions of themselves, what they feel their place is, their unwillingness to engage in economic, social, or even violent conflict. This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them. If women are going to become equal to men they are first going to have to become as ruthless, cutthroat, strong, courageous, and aggressive as men. Women are going to have to show themselves to be the strong creatures that they are; women are going to have to take their rightful place as masters of their own destiny, by any means necessary. Women can't be victims anymore; they must train themselves to fight, they must teach their daughters to fight (not just with Karate classes but showing them to stand up for themselves in a number of ways). Every woman should know how to defend herself; legally, physically, economically, socially; they must make men know they cannot be taken advantage of.Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings. If women are to break free of their chains they must do so in kind.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Although you make some valid points, I think that the matter also lies in the acceptance by men.There are women representation in government, economic institutions, and women that are leaders in many social institutions. While there is a big difference when it comes to numbers, they are still present and just not given the credit...yet.The underpayment of women lie in sexist managers that still think like the men centuries ago thought. The overworked women work as hard as they do because they feel the need to prove themselves, feel that if they work their asses off as hard as they do then they'll get what they want. And i'm guessing that the positions of power and authority that you are referring to are positions mostly known to the general public, because I happen to know women that ran ship yards and software companies, as well as women who hold high positions in the U.S Navy (the perks of being a navy brat is apparently meeting all the people my dad works under.)And just out of curiosity, where did you find the perception of women bit, like was it from a recent survey or something? Because i have not met a single woman that thought she was ever under a man, nor have i met a woman that didn't know that their place in society wasn't to listen and follow "the man". With that, there are also scores successful business women living in today's society, many women actually willing to fight in the armed forces (or with their gangs...who knows with today's society?) and women have been known to be quite the social butterflies. There really is no oppression of women nowadays.Women have been showing themselves to be the "strong creatures that they are", it's just that women are more modest with their achievements and don't give a damn if their great achievement ends up on the six o clock news.People in general are masters of their destinies, not other people. the way you live your life is how you choose and just because some women are passive does not mean that all of them are, nor does it mean that men aren't passive either.Women haven't been victims of subservience in a long time, and it's been awhile since women have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of.There is hardly any women in this generation that didn't have enough nerve to defend who they are and what they believe in. The only reason that it seems like women act the way you described is because since basically the beginning of time men had the upper hand, and women had started rising up above that relatively recently.Thanks for your opinion though ! I was really curious to see how people would react to this topic. [:
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

You are right that there are women in places of power and authority, but they do not have nearly as many of those positions as their numbers in the general population.For example; the U.S. congress:Women hold 17% of the seats in congress. They are 51% of the population. That's an extreme discrepancy; especially given the fact that congress is one of the highest seats of power in the United States. They hold 23% of state elected positions, again an extreme discrepancy. Women used to hold two seats on the Supreme Court, there is now one. One out of nine, or 11%.http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/information_by_level_of_office/ Congress_CurrentFacts.phphttp://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/information_by_level_of_office/ Statewide-CurrentFacts.phpAs for economic power; these are the number of women CEOs:8 women are the head of a Fortune 500 company, and in all of the Fortune 500s women make up 14% of the boards of directors.http://www.socialfunds.com/news/article.cgi/1292.htmlIn society, even the female-dominated career of teaching, men do better than women:Women, though they have achieved administrative control, still earn 100 dollars less than men, median. http://www.dpeaflcio.org/programs/factsheets/ fs_2007_school_administrators.htmIn medicine, women are still behind men:33% of doctors will be women, by 2010. By what time will you make up half? 2020? 2050?http://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=4197The following research indicates that women lag in math scores due to negative stereotypes:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_2002_August/ ai_95514611Of course, the military is still thoroughly male. They make up 15% of the armed forces.http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/ releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/006232.html Also, I think you misinterpreted my remarks; I didn't mean that every single woman wasn't exerting her strength to the fullest, just that on average women do not. Exceptions are always going to be around, of course. Women have made excellent strides, mostly because they have been taking what is rightfully theirs. However, they are still not powerful enough to become equal; and until 50% of them are in the military, the economic control rooms, the high government offices, they will remain second class citizens. I mean, what other population would you not call second class which doesn't have even close to its numbers represented in government? What's funny is that in Apartheid South Africa, the oppressed African Americans had more representation in their parliament than women do in ours:Their legislature held: 178 white, 85 black, and 45 indian legislators. Giving the blacks 28% (compared to women receiving 17% of our congressional seats). Not only that, but blacks made up 33% of their population while women make up 50% of ours! Tell me that isn't bizarre!http://www.anc.org.za/un/makatini/mm081684.html
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

I just wanted to note about female doctors that they may be at 33% right now but a report I heard on CBC radio last night said that in the United States about 50% working on a medical degree are women.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

haha ohkay. i guess i see why you said what you did.But i still believe that things like his are the way they are because the only reason that it seems like women act the way you described is because since basically the beginning of time men had the upper hand, and women had started rising up above that relatively recently.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Women should be treated equal to men. now lets ask our selves this question; (if you disagree) why shouldn't they be treated equal? Lets think of a scientist for example, what is the first thing you think of, a man in a white lab coat with circle glasses and a clip board. why don't you think of a women? Simple. They are mis treated. Speaking of science, science proves that women put in a leadership role they do significantly better than men do. AND STILL people don't do a think a bit about it. with the economy this low, putting a women in charge would be a smart move, right? Even women who do achieve a high role they are still payed 100 US dollars less. Pathetic, right? Stand up for your selves woman, we are strong and powerful lets take charge!!!! Now you might say who I am to do anything, well I am here to tell you that who are you not to! so lets make a difference!!!!!!!!\-Ishani, age 11
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Thank you for one person who understands the difference. You know what you are talking about :)
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

your figures prove nothing. the reality is for the past 1000000 years we havent had cars phones plains trains and automobiles. so the life today is brand new. that means the easiest way for life to survive was for men to work and women to be at home. if you think this was easy for men youre having a laugh. my grandad walked 20 miles to work every morning to carry a pit down a coal mine for a pittance of pay and then hed walk home again in broken shoes in awful weather half the time. he gave every penny to wise wife and children, by the time he was home he was exhausted it was bath and bed and then hed do the same every day bar sunday for the next 40 years until he finally had a premature death from poor health. in between he also fought the nazis in a world war. there was very little healthcare or workers rights or nhs no sickness benefits barely any insurance or workers rights. then you think how mu ch harder his father had it and his father before him.....look at the men who built titanic. they created the createst ship ever built, the rich crashed it for them by showing off, then they drowned the ship builders like rats and the rich escaped unharmedthis is the way of the world, rich v poor. therre is no battle of the sexes.for the percentages to change in the board room will take years...if you want to obsess on percentages why not compare how many disabled are in the boardrooms, how many minorities, asian, african, or poorer areas , irish, scottish, welsh, north of england, compared to the affluent south?youve chosen to only study narow areas of the topic that suit your own agenda, you must look at the whole picture. and remember while youre typing away in your nice warm house. it is men who are keeping you safe, fighting fires, wars, fixing rooves in midwinter and plumbing and roads etc etc working class men that is not the rich home counties boys
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----You are right that there are women in places of power and authority, but they do not have nearly as many of those positions as their numbers in the general population----That's because they don't actually run for office. You have to actually run in real life. It's like magic.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----Women, though they have achieved administrative control, still earn 100 dollars less than men, median---So you admit they have administrative control, then have tje stones to say they are paid "hundreds of dollars less". Not thousands. Hundreds. And who will be paying for the dates? Oh yeah.... maybe that few $100 bucks will pay for 2 dates. Men lose in that economical situation.... again.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

"In medicine, women are still behind men"-----Way more men attempt be doctors....
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

"As for economic power; these are the number of women CEOs:"------1)Women must attempt to be CEOs. They don't.2)You must love Donald Trump. The CEO of his company is a black... woman...
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----Of course, the military is still thoroughly male. They make up 15% of the armed forces----Well isn't that convenient? And why do you think that is? Inequality? Yeah, in reverse.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----they will remain second class citizens----Ummmmm. You are the only women on Earth who get dates paid for by the males and can have a job at the same time....
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----i mean, what other population would you not call second class which doesn't have even close to its numbers represented in government---You are in the group of women who have it better than any group of women in the history of planet Earth, and? You whine about it. My wife loves her lfe. She wouldn't trade it for anything.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

----What's funny is that in Apartheid South Africa, the oppressed African Americans had more representation in their parliament than women do in ours:----So your claim.is second place in human history. That's quite an accomplishment....
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----Not only that, but blacks made up 33% of their population while women make up 50% of ours! Tell me that isn't bizarre!----Your claim basically says... you are the most priveleged women inhuman history, and instead of being grateful... you're pissed. Wow. I thank God every day as a male that I was born here. You owe Him way more thanks than I do. Food for thought.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Let me ask you this, Tonicole....do you think that men and women are in some sort of competition with each other? Whether you think so or not, why do you think that?According to what I got from your article, it seems to me that you feel like women are in some sort of competition for superiority with men. Why are they competing with each other?In a previous response about this very same topic, I stated that men and women are neither better or worse than each other. Men have their roles to fill in their perspectives societies, and women have their roles. If men and women focused on their particular role in their particular society, and excelled in that role, then they could say how much of a man or woman that they are (no matter what others may same about them). Being a man or a woman is not something that we compete for; it's what we are. Do your part, and I'll do mine! Much Respect!
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

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Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

Sorry thats absolute bitter nonsense spoon fed by the male hating misandrist feminist radicals. the reason more men are in the boardroom is because more men commit their entire lives to working their way up the slippery slope in their careers. it takes a lifetimes dedication to make it. if you want to see a female ismbard kingdon brunel then youll have to find a woman with that much genious and hard work who is willing to work that hard their whole lives. to be better than the best you have tear the best down, youve simply got to work that much harder. thats the reality not some over simplistic male hating doctrine fed by the radical feminists. in reality you cannot find a woman who will fix your plumbing, sort out your electricity, build your schools, tarmac your roads, fix your trains. yes blame men for everything , easy targets. but women need to make it happen for themselves. bosses in companies are not sexist they simply employ the person who does the best job , makes them the most money and commits to the career.I would also add men work longer and die younger in every nation on earth and its always been this way. the lie that 100 years ago men had it easy is a filthy lie. the only war is rich v poor not men v women. but this battle of the sexes is another conflict created by the rich to get the working classes arguing amongst themselves. the rich divide and conquer people. then in come the lawyers who spam unhappy wives with legal offers of what they can get them from divorce settlements, they even buy this information off insurance companies. meanwhile men l0ost 80% of divorce cases, losing their homes, their children and their lifes savings in an instant. but women cry in the divorce court and everyone falls for it. meanwhile male suicides are 4 times higher in every nation on earth and no one even cares, certainly not women as we can see from this thread.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

----Women haven't been victims of subservience in a long time----Women in the non Western world are treated like sub creatures. More reason to be grateful as a woman to have been born in America. ;-)
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

"Women can't be victims anymore" I could not have said this better myself. That is so true, and it is frustrating when other women can't see this.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Oh really? I was a victim when I was raped .
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----the reason for this; though, is not any biological differences (by all accounts women are actually stronger and healthier than men-----You think men and women are the same biologically? Ahem...Men's world records in strength and endurance events are better than women's, and it isn't close.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----This stems from social indoctrination, familial indoctrination, and their own inability to break free from these influences and knock down the structures that oppress them-----Women in the West are the least "oppressed" women in human history. Ever heard of Asia, the Middle East, the burka, South America, or Africa?
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Every culture, every nation, every class, every religion, every ethnicity, each gender; sexuality; the only way they achieved equality, dominion, freedom, and security is through their ability to defend themselves and maintain their status as free and independent beings-----Not actually. White men fought to free the slaves under Lincoln (the Reublican party), women got voting rights when men fought each other, and gay marriage was instituted legally by predominantly straight men and women.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

"Women are not equal to men"-----You're right. They became superior. They get good pay comparatively for people who don't fight wars or pay for dates. Rememver that on your next date when he flops down a hundred bucks because that is what society demands.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Become men you mean.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

Women in the western world are the most privileged group of people to have ever lived.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----Women are not equal to men; their representation in government, economic institutions, and social institutions (as leaders) are not prominent given their numerical parity with their opposite gender-----That's because women proportionatily do not actually run for office.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----Women are underpaid, overworked-----Yes, that's why men push carts at the supermarket, load the trucks, fight the wars, and pay for the dates...
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

-----This, though changing, still leaves them at a disadvantage to men.-----Not in court. They win child custody battles every tme simply by being the mom.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: balance

I'm sensing a lot of anger.
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Equal

There is way way way more discrimination against men in this sountry......they lose 80% of divorces, 85% of custody case and in 80% they lose their homes too.....imagine losing your whole life , your home, your life savings and most importantly all your children all at the same time? stop and think abiout that for about a week? the culture and the law is phenomenally biasedmen get sacked for cracking a joke, women can say anything they like. women make 95% of the accusations against men of inappropriate behaviour, men barely say a word as there is no one to support them or their situations. the nhs cannot even tell pregnant mums not to smoke in late pregnancies even though its killing babies....its seen as infringing their rights to advise them....as for abortion, women are not even allowed to have their options given to them. this is why the abortion rates are some of the highest in the world. we also have a hopeless benefits system whcih rewrds women who have 1 children and no husband and no work ethic. we tax payers have to pay.another young boy took his life yesterday , aged 12 and it wont even make the news.........tragic. he was crying for help, expelled from school , from a broken home with absentee father..... and he just got excluded instead of any of these people trying to understand him and his problems....male suicides are running at 80% in wales over christmas. there are no male teachers at primary and junior schools and these young boys have no fathers in their lives so no male role model to guide them through a complex world. this is never discussed and nothing is ever done. male suicides are 3 to 4 times the rate of females in every country in the world and nothing is done. the number or organizations available to support women compared to men in the UK averages at over 40 to 1 ration. its just insanse. it all stems from the anti male sexist misandrist viewpoint that somehow a man doesnt have feelings and a father is less important than a mother. men also work longer and harder their whole lives, they die younger in every nation on earth and women have 75% of the spending power and in 8% keep all the home and the children anyway, so why are men working themselves to death?its a disgrace and it highlights how incredibly dumbed dowm and callous our society has become. men love their children just as much, men care about teaching, about learning, about education, about providing for their children , men love , men cry , men hurt, why in 2013 does that have to be re-explained again and again and again yet ignored?
Debate: Men vs. Women
Side: Not

thats true women are not to be discriminated and i think women can rule the nation better than men