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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Ok Coldfire; so you are convinced that capitalism is bad.Or rather, I see that it is detrimental to the progression of the species and nothing thus far has convinced me otherwise.I disagree, but that is just a difference of opinion. Lets talk fact and forget opinion for a minute.So you think that my position is based solely on opinion?Here are the “facts” I’ve already mentioned, which you seem to be overlooking.1. Capitalism is profit based. It is an economic system that advocates private ownership over production for a profit.2. Profit requires scarcity. Very simple, if products were abundant to the point of surplus (meaning your resources exceed your demand), then there would be little to no profit made. The scarcer something is in accordance with supply and demand, the more profit; the less scarce, the less profit.3. When profit is based on scarcity, and the economy is based on profit, there exists a need to either maintain or create real or imagined scarcity in order to function. Abundance is a negative thing in that sense.4. Where scarcity exists, there will be competition. 5. Where scarcity exists, somebody will lose.Contrary to what most of us are indoctrinated into, competition is not an entirely ‘good’ thing. It can be good fun such as in sports and games, but when it comes to survival it is unethical because it doesn’t promote an honest or selfless relationship between people. Unethical can often be thrown out the window when it comes to survival, but when there are methods to make resources abundant instead of scarce and those methods are being hindered by the very system that requires scarcity, it becomes a problem.Yes, the mega wealthy make you and i look like less than paupers, but we are still far wealthier than most of the world. Well I wouldn’t say paupers, but certainly peasants.It’s not about perception, the middle and lower classes are essentially peasants. It’s no different from the Middle Ages where the peasants gathered all the resources and manufactured all the products while those of noble blood lived the high life.And what do you mean by “far wealthier than most of the world?”No communist society compares in either wealth or personal freedom. None.For one, there has yet to be a country which implements the ideology well enough to actually call it communist. Communism promotes the idea of the working class; the majority, having control over the economy and the state. So far ‘communist’ nations have always given the power to the state over the people.Two, what do you mean by wealth?And three, are you sure your ‘free?’ How so?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

It doesn't produce a unavoidable loss, it is voluntary exchange, there is no loser in voluntary exchange...Added, that incentive drives growth and produces a continual gain for everyone.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I'm not surprised that that is the only thing you challenged in my entire statement.And it does produce an unavoidable loss. Where resources are scarce, and encouragement exists to make them scarcer instead of more abundant in order to increase profit, there will be people that do not profit from such a system. It is unavoidable. Are you telling me that in a competition both people win? Sorry, but I don’t agree with that new age “everyone gets a trophy” mentality.A voluntary exchange may not in itself have a loss, but it requires a person to have something to give in exchange. So before you reach the point of even being able to perform a voluntary exchange you are originally at a loss. Yes, we may be able to exchange our time and labor, but as long as you owe more than you have in available resources, you are at a loss. And how do you see that it produces a continual gain for everyone? That’s ludicrous. Capitalism favors the competition over resources under a real form of or false notion of scarcity, often times fabricated by the very idea that it will increase profits. Capitalism creates an economic social structure and class system based on scarcity, and where there is scarcity there will be losers guaranteed. The only incentive in that type of economy is to not be that loser. There is no incentive for helping one another because that would be detrimental to your own success. If a person walks into my shop and says I like your craftsmanship on these chairs, and I said "yea they look nice, but the guy next door makes them sturdier and they last longer," I'm not going to do too well. Honesty and selflessness do not exist in a capital based economy. Instead of helping one another succeed, we are taught or naturally adapt to realize that stepping on one another is the only sure way to not only succeed, but to survive.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

To clarify, the continual gain I was referring to is economic growth...which is something that doesn't exist in communism because in communism people are given no incentive to improve things. That's why in over 80 years of existence the USSR produced no economic growth.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

To clarify, the continual gain I was referring to is economic growthI'm not arguing that capitalism doesn't cause growth, but it’s blatantly obvious who benefits from that growth, that’s what I’m arguing. You said that it’s a “continual gain for everyone” but the people that benefit from economic growth in capitalism are those with the most resources to begin with, not the ones doing the work; the benefit of growth is funneled towards the rich. Capitalism creates a plutocracy which only leads to further and more powerful totalitarian control of the wealthy over the other classes.which is something that doesn't exist in communism because in communism people are given no incentive to improve things.When the incentive to beat your neighbor in order to survive is no longer present as with capitalism, new incentives are born. This idea that communism means people would just sit around on their ass all day is as dumb as the people who feed it to you on corporate media. Its unfounded and irrelevant rhetoric.That's why in over 80 years of existence the USSR produced no economic growth. So in summation: ‘Economic growth doesn’t exist in communism because people aren’t given any incentive to improve things; no incentive to improve things is why in over 80 years the USSR produced no economic growth?’ That’s circular reasoning.Trust me; there was plenty of incentive in people to improve things towards the end of the Soviet Union considering how bad the quality of life was, the problem was that the people had no say in the matter. The reason their economy failed was because the Soviet Union implemented totalitarian control over the economy and used much of the country's resources for military instead of improving the quality of life.Communism, as it is described in Leninism is a democratic control over the economy where the working class has power over the state. Not an elite group of individuals as with capitalism. With communism, it is the worker that reaps what he sows, the worker that benefits from the growth of the economy.If you say the USSR is a good example of communism, then you open up the door to me saying that the US is a good example of capitalism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"I'm not arguing that capitalism doesn't cause growth, but it’s blatantly obvious who benefits from that growth, that’s what I’m arguing. You said that it’s a “continual gain for everyone” but the people that benefit from economic growth in capitalism are those with the most resources to begin with, not the ones doing the work; the benefit of growth is funneled towards the rich. Capitalism creates a plutocracy which only leads to further and more powerful totalitarian control of the wealthy over the other classes." That is not what almost every history book ever written says"Communism, as it is described in Leninism is a democratic control over the economy where the working class has power over the state. Not an elite group of individuals as with capitalism. With communism, it is the worker that reaps what he sows, the worker that benefits from the growth of the economy" Communism is classless, efficiecy cannot be improved in communism, because without reward, there is absolutely NO point in improving it. Just why would anyone care to improve it without an incentive?? Think about it...its totally illogical.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

"That is not what almost every history book ever written says."So its in a book so it must be true, huh? Humor me, what does it say in these history books you speak of?"Communism is classless, efficiecy cannot be improved in communism, because without reward, there is absolutely NO point in improving it"Yes communism is classless. You say it as if it’s a bad thing.Efficiency can be improved in communism as long as there is no totalitarian control over the economy by the state or bourgeoisie and the working class has the power as suggested by Leninism.Are you equating 'being in a higher class' as the 'reward' in capitalism, and that communism doesn't offer that? While it’s true that communism doesn’t offer that, that is not the only reward there is. Communism focuses on benefitting all who contribute to the collective, not individual rewards.I’m sorry that you feel that there’s no point in improving something unless you get a prize, but contrary to what you believe, there are humble people out there that don't need any reward for the things they do that benefit the community. The problem with capitalism is that that type of selfless behavior towards our neighbors is actually detrimental to your own success. I can understand that you think getting a reward is the only incentive people have to improve things given the current state of things, but its nonetheless a sorry and misguided notion."Just why would anyone care to improve it without an incentive?? Think about it...its totally illogical."It’s not illogical just because you cannot wrap your mind around it. 'Gaining rewards' and 'beating the other guy' are not the only incentives that exist.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

You know why there is no point...Its simple. People adapt to their environment...therefore how much they have becomes normal to them...with them feeling that everything is fine and normal for everyone else, and their being no incentive for improving the efficiency of things, there becomes no point. Now, Russia's food problems were not the product of this, they were the product of a centrally planned economy by the CP...so you are probably right about them wanting to help, but not being able to. Also, the only history books that say capitalism doesn't work for the overall economic progress of society is those written by beaurocrats hired by high up leaders in the old USSR, and the other "communist" countriesHow do I know people adapt...when I was young I was "poor", and how much I had was normal to me, and tribal people, the poorest people in the world, are very content with their situations too.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

People adapt to their environment...therefore how much they have becomes normal to them...with them feeling that everything is fine and normal for everyone else, and their being no incentive for improving the efficiency of things, there becomes no point.I can kind of see where your coming from with this, though I disagree that there is “no point” in improving the situation.I know that people are very much influenced by their environment and they adapt to it in order to survive. But just because people adapt to it and think its fine doesn’t mean it is, it just means that that is all they know and its natural for them to be scared of new things… it might be worse than what we have now.How do I know people adapt...when I was young I was "poor", and how much I had was normal to me, and tribal people, the poorest people in the world, are very content with their situations too.“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - J. KrishnamurtiSometimes it takes a revolutionary to speak out against the status quo. We need to slap people good and hard in the face and shake them vigorously so that they may wake up from the dream that the Owners have lulled them into.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Communism is an ideology that is separated by several theories and practices (Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskyism, Leninism, etc..). On the one hand, their theories have failed because of corruption Stalinist, but after the fall of the Soviet Union, communism has been changing gradually to become a democratic ideology. There are many countries such as Nepal, Cyprus, Uruguay, Vietnam, are ruled by communist parties, but with the democratic system and a Marxist. In my opinion, communism is currently dominating capitalism because communism advocates the working class, while capitalism, unfortunately defends the bourgeoisie.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

The reason I support communism, is not by beauty is by the side communism defend. Most people prefer capitalism even because of money and feel freedom. For me money is bullshit. Money enslaves society. There are thousands of people in Africa who are starving, not only because of armed conflict but also because there is support in the economy of these countries. And I also think that capitalism works like a mafia!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

ur right we shuld just do awat with money all together then insted of stors we can just have big ware houses where peaple go and fight echother over all the free shit itll be like black frieday all year wouldent that just be wounder full of we can just have the government give us every thing then we could all expereince the great joy of wateing in line for houers at a thime for a single slice of bread yaeh that sounds like utopia dosest it
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

i am not supporting the commies i am being sarcastic i am a starch Conservative capitalist
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Please don't swear on my debates or I will turn into the Hulk, thank you.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I knew you didn't support the communists! I don't ether more of a liberal sochalist! But I dislike capalism the most!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Money enslaves society? More like communism enslaves society. Where do you think communist countries get support from? don't they use money to gain resources? capitalism works like a mafia???? support your claim.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Money enslaves society?Yes."Slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of the laborers. While the European plan… Is that capital shall control labor by controlling the wages. This can be done by controlling the money.It will not due to allow the greenback (the debt free currency suggested by president Lincoln) as we cannot control that." - The hazzard circular. July 1862."None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von GoetheMore like communism enslaves society.How so?Where do you think communist countries get support from? don't they use money to gain resources?They get support from everybody working to benefit the whole instead of everyone competing to survive.Essentially, communism doesn't need money in order to function. It just requires different incentives.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

exactly the totaitariin communist utopiea relies on all its little worthless lemming and peons doing there part to suporrt the great and gloryous leader and it elimilates class by puting all its cittizens safly under the party's boot heel
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

If money does not enslave the society, then why do people have to pay the rents? How many people have committed suicide because they could not pay the rents and debts? The money actually served to exchange not to enslave the people. Do not you think that money makes people become greedy? Why there is gangs wars and mafia wars? It is because they are different groups? No! ... It is because of money! Look at the third world countries and you're think why there hunger. And also you have to think why I say that capitalism looks like a mafia.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I agree with you very strongly, my comrade. Money is indeed a very troublesome thing and that's what capitalism is all about. Communism on the other hand supports the equality of all.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I would like to know what communist countries are there, after all you did say they exist. Capitalism supports The Bourgeoisie because it allows the surplus value to go to them, not The Proletariat.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism never existed. In fact, it is about impossible to make it come true.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

your right then we can just steel shit from gient where houses and fight echother for them like black friyday evry day or have the government give us all our shit so we can all enjoy the plesuire of wating in line for houres for a single slice of bred that sounds like utopia right?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Um that's when communism goes wrong! The thriy of communism is where everyone's equal! I like sochalism where it's in between
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

You should of said capalism! That's your side! There's that's it! You do not like communism do you?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Communism? It's a good idea, unfortunately when it was first introduced, people like Lenin introduced it wrongly, hence its bad reputation! Also, far too many people have far too much to loose. It would never work, mankind's nature wouldn't allow it.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Communism is far from perfect, but better than Capitalism. People say that Communism won't work because it assumes people's inherent goodness, but Capitalism encourages people's badness. Greed, selfishness, lying and decadence are all rewarded by the current system and so we are resigned to being bad and don't even have a chance of improvement. By thinking positively and striving to make people better, we might be able to create a world where people are good enough for Communism to work.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism won't work.To start off, there won't be any innovation. Why? Because innovation is fostered by dreams of success and competition, which are impossible under communism.Don't believe me? Look at Cuba. It looks like it's stuck int he 50'sAlso, since everyone gets the same rewards under communism, there's no point in doing a great job, when simply doing an acceptable job will do.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

There are things that motivate humans to innovate and do a good job other than money. For starters, there's the desire to be recognised and have approval from others, which is human nature. Also, the changes that the innovator will make to society will benefit them as well as the rest of the public, and doing well makes one feel good about oneself. In a true Communist society, the primary reason for doing anything will be passion for what one does, and people will be encouraged to find and do what they love rather than always thinking about material rewards. I think that Capitalism restricts innovation to the elite - the general public are too wrapped up in their prolefeed and trivialities to think about making a difference.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Then explain why it is communist societies (like Cuba) are technologically retarded, and with failing economies (North Korea).
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

There is private property in Cuba and they consider themselves socialist rather than communist nowadays, so they're just a left-wing autocracy. North Korea is also a totalitarian state, and I (as a libertarian and revisionary communist) don't regard these states as truly communist, since their aims are to turn the current social pyramid into an inverted triangle rather than a line.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Do you want to say that communism killed 100 million people since 1917?Well let me tell you that your capitalism kills 100 million people every 5-6 years, since 1991. That's much more than 650 million people dying under capitalism, at least 550 million more than under communism. Deal with it.Do you still want to insist on why the Soviet Union fell? China predicted that and fell out with the Soviets and Vietcongs and North Koreans, focusing on a balance of socialism (non-extreme communism) and free trade (a very little bit of capitalism). Vietnam is doing the same, except that it's going closer to the fascist capitalist dog America.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

When people cite the millions killed under communism, they are referencing veryfiable historic situations under Stalin, Mao, Castro etc. Perhaps you would like to clarify what millions were killed by Capitalism since 1991?Also, if you check when these posts were created you will find that they are several years old. As such you will likely not get a response from people who posted them. Providing arguments on recent debates is the best way to find people to respond to your points.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

The way communism was meant to be, where everyone is equal, and not one group that's a bit more equal than another. Capitalism encourages greed and selfishness. However, I think a resource-based economy would be much better than capitalism or communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I think that we should have peaceful revolution like Gandhi did to win his country's independence from UK. And then, we should have a neo-communist government that take wealth from 1% and redistrubed to 99% while keeping the freedom and equality of 99%.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

None of them works. What we need is a new system. The capitalism is too much individual and always will have someone there winning and all the other losing or even dying. Communism doesn't works too. A new system maybe works, but we have to have people that understand about it, but the poor part of the population is a problem...
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Communism has control of their people. The USA let our people do whatever the fuck they want. Democracy is like giving a human baby (Who are retarded) an arsenal of weapons and let him sit there with it. He baby is gonna cause a huge big mess and just fuck everything up. Communism is better. The USSR didn't have one of their own people blowing up buildings or shooting children (Sandy Hook was Halarious)
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

communism is ideal in theory but in practice it is extremely difficult to perform, yet i believe that with slow modifications it can be performed easily
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I support communism because in a communistic system every person is worth the same.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

i say we should we have to pick communism is more a type of goverment and capitalism is an economic setup you could in theory have both
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I prefer a goverment in between! Not in the extreme! But Everyone has enough to eat and the harder you work and/or protect the country the richer you get!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

But communism is better then capalism I guess! Capalism is bad when it goes right communism is bad when it goes wrong! I like Marx's trories I really sorta do! But sochalism is for me or at least the republican verson where there's healthcare and there is a liberal govenormemt!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

forget about what I ever said! Capitalism-if it's regulated so workers have rights is the greatest system oh yeah and healthcare too! The Soviet Union called itself Sochalist not Communist though!