azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Criminal? LOL, I was invited to intern with the prosecutor's office. And FYI, falsely alleging in print that someone is a criminal is called "libel" -- or if you want to be technical, "the tort of civil libel," meaning that I now have a cause of action to sue you if I like. (Ain't screenshots grand?) Congrats -- you just crossed the line between what is merely rude and childish, and what is actually forbidden by law!Please, by all means, go on making an ass of yourself. It's funny and it totally discredits your position so in effect I win twice . . .:Dlolololololol
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

#1 Our mutual anonymity precludes the possibility of personal injury by defamation. No person’s identity has been defamed and hence you have no case! #2 I find it quite humorous that you must associate yourself with some legal professional as though that would somehow imply your competence concerning legal concepts. Please, by all means, go on making an ass of yourself. It's funny and it totally discredits your position so in effect I win twice . . .You may think that you have won something, but at what cost? Lastly, if I make (as you claim) an ass of myself it certainly was not for myself; for I am a man of substance and not image, and the substance I represent justifies every mother-to-be who has chosen to keep her baby. You, on the other hand, are nothing but image, and hence your image is the result of winning or losing a debate about terminating the lives of unborn fetuses. Great Image no doubt!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

lawnman, he has a point. Wouldn't it be easier to just leave it? The fact that you both have remained offtopic for 5 posts tells me that you both need to cool your jets, so can you both just agree to disagree?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Agreeing to disagree means abortion should not be banned.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: After education

Again, you feel the need to have the last say.Just drop it, agree to disagree, it really isn't up to us (i.e government choice at the end of the day).
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Unlike you I don't JUST want to have the last say:Agreeing to disagree means abortions should not be banned. I'll explain what this means to you since you clearly have no idea. So the 2 sides disagree on whether abortions should be banned, which means each to its own: This essentially means pro-lifers can go on having children (regardless of whether they want them or not). Pro-choicers can go on having abortions as an option. Each to its own! To make a law in any democratic society, the majority must agree, if you don't have a majority, then the law will not pass, so the status quo is abortions CANNOT BE MADE ILLEGAL.. get it?Government's choice, you say? The government represent the people of a nation if you live in a democratic society. Where do you live?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: After education

GET OVER IT!You downvote my arguments and now you won't rest until you HAVE the last say.You continuously ask me questions, even as I stated that I am done.Keep going and I will report you a third time.Solve abortions as best you can, I just hope you don't corrupt the system further.(Note: No need to reply)
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

If you kill a child, I'd kill you myself if I could. But we're not talking about children or babies here are we? so don't try to change the definition of a fetus to suit your arguments because that definition is simply wrong.Don't try and force me to have children when I don't want to. They're fetuses. I make them and I can break them and make some more, it's a difficult decision when I have to abort them, but when I'm ready to have children I will have children, not when you think I'm ready. It makes no difference to your life, but it has a massive impact on mine so don't butt in! Women who've had abortions have gone on to have children later on when they're ready.You claim to represent mothers who've chosen to keep their babies - good for you, but here's a news flash: they don't actually need you to represent them! They don't need you to argue that they should be allowed to keep their babies, nobody's trying to stop them! So it's a great position of risk that you've placed yourself in. A very challenging role! I don't know how you do it!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Ah, judging by the inordinate amount of posts you have submitted on this question, I will rationally infer you are on a mission. It’s not everyday we come across an Abortion Missionary; consequently, I will completely disregard anything more you care to post at CD. May your god bless you according to the abundance of riches you seek.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Nice retort! Very on topic, again.If you feel the need to say something that's got nothing to do with the debate topic, I suggest you send me a private message?! That way, you're not affecting the scoring with your useless ramblings!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

And your ad hominem arguments are "on topic"?Here comes another red-herring argument under the cloak of pseudo-intelligent argument!What say you?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

"What say you?"????What century are you from? Oh wait, you're trying to be French in an English kinda way? hahahahahahaOk, was that ad hominem? hahahaha
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

You are the definition of an ad hominem, hypocrite. You clearly do not have what it takes to debate us pro lifers. We care about human lives. End of discussion. As a matter of fact, the taking of any human life is wrong. In some cases, the most severe of criminals are executed because they are a danger to everyone in society and are basically asking for it. "Some men do not want to be saved, some men simply want to see the world burn." - Alfred Pennyworth to Bruce WayneSomehow, abortionists are also affiliated with satanism too and yes, satanism is the very contradictive faith of Christianity itself. Jesus had said, "You cannot serve two masters. You either serve God or you don't." It is clear that you would rather see people profit from killing babies. You will be stopped, lectured and put in prison for making death threats.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

If you kill a child, I'd kill you myself if I could. But we're not talking about children or babies here are we? so don't try to change the definition of a fetus to suit your arguments because that definition is simply wrong. - NVYN the alleged suspect for attempted murderSuch hypocrisy. I'd knock you out and put you in Death Row Prison for supporting abortion and for attempted murder.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Partial-birth abortion.That is all I have to say and I get the chills.This abortion is usually performed in the third trimester.The baby is forced into the birth canal legs first and everything except the head is delivered. The doctor then stabs the head while it is still in the canal and sucks out the brains.I will say some very important facts:At nine weeks a baby has a heartbeat.At 4.5 months he can feel pain.This baby, this human being can feel the stab of the knife. He can feel himself dying.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

You haven't brought anything new to the debate at all... Still the "it's a person" argument. It's been rebutted many times. Many pro-choice people have agreed that in the third trimester abortions shouldn't be allowed unless it's absolutely necessary to save a life. If the fetus was going to experience a life of mainly vegetative state or the mother would certainly die, then I say save the mother cos she could at least have the chance to have another baby.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Don't compare people to the Nazis.Nazis think they're superior to other races when in fact they are not.The fetus is not a person. And don't say it is because this has been argued too many times.I'm tired of see this argument: "Abortion would have killed YOU!" No it wouldn't. It wasn't me because it was a fetus. My mother would have killed a fetus, not me! My mother had an abortion before me, but I'm here now so how do you know if it wasn't me that she aborted initially? Are we going to take this debate into the realms of fantasies and reincarnations?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Oh really? Feminazis do exist and abortionists are essentially nazis who want to kill babies. You are one of them. You have zero authority over what people can say and do. You are invalidated in all of your arguments, hypocritical snowflake. Your mother was guilty of aborting that baby before then and with you, feeling no regret for that, you should be ashamed because it could've been you! What a coward you are!There is evidence of abortionists working with satanists too. It's real. The war against evil is real and you've joined the wrong side, fool!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

The question is not what makes us a person. The question is; what is it?Genetics tells us that it is human, although in the early stages of development.An embryo cannot think, feel, see, hear, remember, or do any of the other things that distinguish us as peopleThis argument had some weight before the ultrasound. But in this day and age with 3D and 4D imagining it is simply naive. But let's say your right and we don't know at what point the unborn embryo/fetus gains the rights of a full grown person. Why not err on the side of life? If we don't know it would seem wise to use caution and restraint. Therefore to allow abortion on demand would be the height of folly.So in conclusion; if we don't know when a fetus becomes a person we should ban abortion because it might take the life of a person.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Allow me to explain: I do believe that at a certain point in the pregnancy, abortion should not be legal. Where this point is, is what we should be debating. Clearly a single cell cannot think, see, etc... and therefore it is silly to consider this when an embreo has person status. Clearly you think that it should be illegal early in the pregnancy, but do you at least understand why it shouldn't be at conception?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

"The question is not what makes us a person. The question is; what is it?"This is how you debate??? You simply change the question??? So with that stupid tactic I can just say "the question is not what it is (because we're not debating the fact that it's human. It certainly is human alright.) The question is: is it a person?" If it is a person, why don't we give it a passport while we're at it? Register it for voting too. All fetuses should be represented in parliaments to truly be democratic... You people make me sick how you see things and then force your views on others.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Yes I do, because I think clarity is more important than agreement and I'm trying to be precise in my thinking. I don't find ambiguity or equivocation very helpful in debates. I ask the question because it is an ontological question and we need to know what it is that we are taking the life of. Asking the question of personhood doesn't get us very far because it is a characteristic of the thing in question just like the word fetus is. They tell us something about the thing but they don't tell us what the thing in question is. To know that requires an ontological question and that's why I ask; what is it? And you are correct, it is human although in the early developmental stage known as fetus just like you are at the stage known as adulthood, assuming your past puberty and if not you are an adolescent and yet still fully human just like a fetus is. And humans are the sort of things that have personhood; it's not what they are but a characteristic they posses.Now I think the question, what is it, is one you would ask instinctively. What do I mean. Assuming you have a child, what would you say to that child if it came up behind you and asked; can I kill it? I'd bet money that the first question of your lips would be; what is it? And if it was the fly that's been bugging you, you would say yes and if it was the kid down the street you would say no. You see your answer hinges on the question; what is it and no other question. I hope you can see that. And the reason you would say no to killing the kid down down the street is because you know, instinctively, that humans aren't the sort of thing you just kill flippantly, it requires proper justification. That's why I oppose abortion. Killing humans for the sake of convenience is unjustified and evil. BTW insult is not an argument, it's what you do when your position is unsound. You try and discredit your opponent to make yourself look good. But notice my character is unrelated to the question at hand, it has no bearing on it. That my friend is known as a genetic fallacy and an Ad hominem. You don't actually answer the question, you just obscure it and that's the opposite of clarity.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Ad hominem? Nice one! I gave lawnman a load of ad hominems a little while ago as well! In my book, it's fully justified to discredit the character of the opposition if they prove themselves to be logically unsound and are showing obvious character weaknesses. By doing that, you're showing everyone that your opposition is incapable of making sound judgements.Now, I think I've read this story of the boy coming up to his father and asking "can I kill it?"... why? It's because you've written it already in a different post! Recycling is acceptable when it comes to milk cartons, but i find it tedious here. Now I've already answered this but i'll gladly do it again: Killing a grown kid is murder! Why did society make a law to try and stop murders? Because society benefits from having its productive members alive and contributing! Now at the end of the day, morals and righteousness are all about survival of the species. Don't believe me? Thou shall not kill... thou shall not steal... thou shall honour thy parents... etc... all designed to foster a peaceful productive society with the end goal being survival of the human species.Now, a kid has made it all the way through the whole process of fetal development, which is not easy to do because miscarriage statistics are quite high. That kid has earned its right to be a part of society. Killing that kid is wrong. A fetus on the other hand, can be created very easily and can also be lost just as easily too. The point here however is that the human species is in no danger whatsoever of being extinct, so society hasn't seen fit to mandate saving every chance of adding to its membership. This is the way it should be. Maybe one day, we'll find ourselves in the position of an endangered species and guess what? I bet there'll be a law in every country that abortion is illegal! That's why societies make law. If it has nothing to do with the survival of society, society should stay out of it.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Because that means at some point it would become a good thing to kill grown kids when it is necessary for the survival of the species or to foster a peaceful productive society.We have executions. We execute murderers. These are actually not kids but adults. So we do kill people and I fully support it..Gassing six million Jews was wrong even if the Germans thought it was goodWell, arbitrarily exterminating a race of people goes against human survival. .If you were to see someone gunned downed I seriously don't think you are saying to yourself; Hey, we as a society need that person you therefore shouldn't do that. No I think not, your gut reaction is; Whoa! that's not right...what the...You're absolutely right. But you fail to see that our gut reaction is our subconsciousness and in its own language, it's saying "hey, survival of the species is at stake here!".Level of developmentYou're exceptionally thick, so I'm not hoping to get through to you at all. I'm simply hoping you'd one day wake up... How is a fetus not the same as person in the park? Well let's see... if the mother suffers a heavy fall or gets a bad virus, the fetus may well be naturally aborted and may no longer be, hell, sometimes it simply takes a little bit of stress felt by the mother for the fetus to be aborted naturally. A person in the park however, takes a hell of a lot more to end..why are there still laws against murder? And why are there hospitals? Why did the President just pass a massive health care reform bill? if we are in no danger whatsoever of being extinct what are we so concerned about? If our survival is not in question then what is the basis for our actions? It can't be survival of the human species, were doing that quite well. So what then is it if it's not survival of the human species? Maybe somethings are actually objectively wrong, maybe human life is valuable and maybe we know it.Yes, human lives are valuable, but like I said, we're in no danger of extinction. All these measures such as laws against murder, hospitals, national health care, etc... are preliminary steps. Laws to mandate the saving of every possible human fetus would probably be the last thing to do... This may be necessary if something all of a sudden killed 90% of humans on Earth, for example.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Thank you for making my point so well, you are correct. Taking human life requires proper justification. However waving a magic wand and declaring a human life only potential life or something else is not proper justification. It's a unique human life and there is no way around that without ignoring the obvious. Declaring it to be something else and equivocating on terms may salve your conscience but it doesn't change the reality of what it is. It's reality is not dependent on you, it's determined by what it actually is.If being thick and asleep keeps me from killing innocent humans in the early stages of development and makes me outraged at their slaughter than I'm guilty as charged and wear those names with honor
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

waving a magic wand and declaring a human life only potential life or something else is not proper justificationIt is proper justification for me and a lot of other people. Because with a potential life, we're not commiting murder. Like I said, we're stuck on the "potential" VS "definite" point..If being thick and asleep keeps me from killing innocent humans in the early stages of development and makes me outraged at their slaughter than I'm guilty as charged and wear those names with honorI hope you're a vegan as well. It would make sense, since eating meat would mean that you're ending lives. If you're a meat eater, you might say "oh it's not human, so it's ok" but others will say "how dare you discriminate towards other species"... but you should be ok living with them hassling you because you hassle others pretty much the same way.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Saying something is proper justification doesn't make it so. You first have to prove that it is and that you haven't done. You've only dismissed it's humanity. . If it is only a sperm or egg it is indeed alive but not fully human seeing it lacks the full chromosome set. But once it fertilizes and the chromosome set is complete; it's fully human. Either it's fully human and alive or it's not. I don't see any other option and the potential life argument doesn't factor in at all.Again we are talking about the proper justification of taking human life; rabbit trails don't interest me.About hassling; I will defend the innocent at my own expense; even if it cost my life because that's the right thing to do and it's always right to do what is right.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Proof that aborting a fetus is proper justification of killingIt's potential life. There's nothing to prove. It doesn't have any rights..No doubt you'll disagree and all I can say is that I respect your point of view. The question is: Would you be able to say the same?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I've just responded to this notion of potential life so I will answer your questionin in regard to respecting your point of view. Your are free to hold it. Although I disagree with it strongly I would never use the force of law or anything to prevent you from holding it and expressing it, that is true tolerance. However, ideas have consequences and some ideas are deadly. So I would say that some ideas are vastly superior to others. What Mother Teresa did was a superior idea than what jihadist are doing. But jihadist are human and therefore are valuable human beings worthy of dignity and respect. So as humans I respect them but it's their ideas that I don't respect. So all that to say that I'm egalitarian regarding persons and an elitist regarding ideas. So as a human I will treat you with dignity and respect but I can't say I will do that with all your ideas, only the ones that are good by objective standards.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

And I will further say that since I'm egalitarian regarding persons I will not engage in ad hominem because it is at the man. I will go after your ideas with a vengeance however because i differentiate between the person and their ideas.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly, jstantall. Although a fetus aka embryo aka a human in development cannot think, feel nor receive any full human aspect of emotions and physical stuff yet, it is still alive. Slowly, throughout all nine months of a pregnancy, everything develops; cells, organs, the genitals, limbs, eyes, hair, ears etc etc. All those features develop over time. Hence, this is why there is ultrasound because yes, it's alive. Couples often will say, "We are pregnant" in order to show that it's not just a woman's job to look after the child. The man who is married to her, known as her husband, has to be there for her, for the sake of moral support. A fetus becomes a person within like 9 months. Within 16 weeks or so, it already counts as a developing boy or girl, depending on the chromosomes given by the mom & the dad. XY for boy. XX for girl. XXX for a girl with a defect and XXY for a boy with a defect. Intersex is often mistaken for an extra gender/sex. This is not true but ignorant. To the opposition who are very ignorant and tactically hypocritical: If you do not understand the full biology of human reproduction and birth, then you are A. Either in need of more education on this subject, B. You failed biology and need to be re-educated or C. You've chosen to ignore the facts even though you know it is true.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I fully support this view.In my personal opinion, once the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb (which means society can theoretically take care of the baby without the mother's input) then society can intervene. It should then be allowed to fully develop into an independent life. This stage is around 20 weeks of fetal development.