azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

but dont we feel them because we believe in them. we believe we feel something. like believing you're sick.No. Emotions do not work that way. Emotions are involuntary and reactionary.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

well sometimes you believe in things involuntary. you cant help but to believe in the boogeyman, yet people do
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

well sometimes you believe in things involuntary. you cant help but to believe in the boogeyman, yet people doWhether or not you can accept that emotions are feelings and not beliefs, it doesn't change the fact that they exist only as neurological pathways in our brains, and are not represented by tangible constructs in our external, objective reality.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: YES

Interesting question... But somehow, i believe, you have formulated it wrong... Does God exist? No one/nothing can prove it, but why should that minimize God's existence? God exists, but not as many people thinks... God exists for people who believes in God.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

so then. god exists in a room where there is a believer. if a nonbeliever walks into that room, does god cease to exist? our beliefs dont cause gods to materialize. youve obviously never heard of mental illness or delusion. your argument is atrocious. i mean that in the kindest way.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: YES

stupid big bang theory is a myth they have to be a myth nobody ever heard or seen a book about the big bang theory
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Concept: God is the being that had always existed and created everything.Constraints: God cannot be sensed by our humanly senses, or if we could sense God it appears that God doesn't want any contact with us. Using reasoning alone we have faith in God's existence.Evidence: The existence of matter and the set of rules that govern how everything relate to everything else to form the universe and everything in it. In other words, the existence of order.Reasonings: The existence of matter - Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else.Order - There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else.Can the something that always existed simply be the universe? Order - There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness.Actually, order is an illusion, existence only moves towards balance because nothing can exist for long with imbalance. Balance means that something is in the optimum state that requires no change. The balance, in the long run, that the universe is moving towards means death for all life. Suns will go explode, some forming black holes and sucking matter away with them. The only true balance is emptiness.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Can the something that always existed simply be the universe?No, because the universe is matter, time and space, all of which are not infinite. That's what "always existed" means.Actually, order is an illusion, existence only moves towards balance because nothing can exist for long with imbalance. Balance means that something is in the optimum state that requires no change. The balance, in the long run, that the universe is moving towards means death for all life. Suns will go explode, some forming black holes and sucking matter away with them. The only true balance is emptiness.Very poetic, but for now the "illusion" of order holds true and God is responsible for it.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

NVYN, EnigmaticMan burned you. You have lost big style with your unadulterated pseudoscience.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I believe in a balancing power in the universe; a spiritual entity that governs all of life. The term "God" is suitable for this. I do not believe that this God simply snapped it's fingers and created life, the universe and everything in a matter of seconds, however, I do believe in a balancing force, and a place beyond life after death.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Want proof? The proof is in those stories about your grandpa, grandma, great grandpa, great gradma, mom and dad. The story of God was told the same way, passed from one generation to another. If you are determined to not believe in God; than those are only tall tales that you have been told about your own family, by the same token. You never witnessed anything before you were born and therefore your own history does not exist. If you came from nowhere, that means you do not exist. Want only logic, proof and that which you have only seen for yourself?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

God does exist i can prove it by simple questions, 1-how did humans come to life, 2-how did that happen? 3-From where did the materials come from?. I can go on when your done answering these three simple questions.other stuff is Muslims book, the quraan, that book is 1400 years old and it said that the moon was divided to two half and combined, and not long ago like 5 to 10 years ago, scientist just discovered that..., it is impossible for any human to write a book like that with all the knowledge it contains, it itself can prove it was sent by god to us.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

What you're saying does not prove that a christian god exists at all, you are not proving anything. I don't believe in 'God', mainly because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence he DOES NOT exist. I don't care if you believe in God or not, but if you are going to argue that he exists at least have a valid argument.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

your questions dont prove the existence of a god. they are simply appeals to ignorance. more logical fallacy. only objective evidence could demonstrate the existence of a god. your questions only lead to more questions. you cant see that because you possess not the objectivity to examine them.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

You are asking human beings whether an all-powerful, all-knowing, everlasting being exist. There is no proof either way.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Yes there IS proof. The proof is in the evidence that is the universe. It is so perfectly formed and complex that it must be designed by a being. That being is God.Apparently people call this theory the Watchmaker Theory. Check it out! There are arguments against this theory, but you'll find that they can't prove that God doesn't exist. The other thing is these rebuttals are easily countered.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Sorry to inform you, but that's not proof. How do you know that being that you believe created the Universe isn't a flying spaghetti monster that likes little children?As far as your statement "There are arguments against this theory, but you'll find that they can't prove that God doesn't exist."It is not non-believers job to prove God doesn't exist, simply because that is an impossible task. Religion has a history of changing when new evidence is found (Fossils, Earth revolving around the sun, etc.)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Well, if what created the Universe is a flying spaghetti monster that likes little children then fine, I'll call that God. About the onus of proof, I have to say that the God theory is just a theory like the theory that everything exist all on its own. And you can't actually prove the spontaneous existence of everything either. For example, you and I both see a machine in front of us, I choose to believe that someone made it and put it there and you choose to believe that it just materialized all on its own. Now, what's more likely?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I don't have time to dispute your entire argument at the moment (Project) but I felt a need to correct you on something."For example, you and I both see a machine in front of us, I choose to believe that someone made it and put it there and you choose to believe that it just materialized all on its own. Now, what's more likely?"There is a huge difference between the two. One has proof that something, whether it be a machine or a human, created it, the other has none. No one believes that something has come from nothing, but just because something comes from something doesn't mean an all powerful being exist, nor does it mean it doesn't exist.Many years ago, God was believed to be the reason why Rainbows exist. Many years later we have the real reason: the Sun shines onto droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere...Simply because we lack an answer currently does not mean we have to say some super natural being did so.This is were things get frustrating dealing with those who believe in God. Anything you can't prove God must be behind it.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, the word machine can be replaced with the word universe and then you should be able to see my point.Rainbows are still made by God my friend, not just directly by hand like how we originally thought many years ago! Light, particles of photons and energy from the burning star (Sun), electrons and protons and other particles in the water molecules consisting of hydrogen and oxygen, the rules that govern the way light behaves, the nerves in our eyes that registers these lights and their different wavelengths, our brain's interpretation of these as different colours, the feelings we each get when we see it, everything. It's all made by God!That's why it's frustrating to deal with us, it's because God IS behind all the stuff that allowed everything else to happen.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: not FOR nor AGAINST

No, it's frustrating because you have no proof yet you pass off what you say as true to others.No, what I said was fine. We know that there is a creator because there is proof that it exist, there is none for God.You have as much proof that God is behind rainbows as I have that Unicorns that are ridden by Fairies magically fly through the sky with a magic Paint brush and Paint the Rainbow on the Sky.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, you can't say that fairies painted rainbows, because we all know that it's light bent when travelling through a dense transparent material at an angle.I'd like to just add one thing: I see a person putting whole oranges into one end of a machine and at the other end out comes fresh OJ and marmalade, I'd absolutely think it was amazing (wouldn't you?). Now I open the machine up and I know exactly how it happens, the whole process, that actually doesn't make it any less amazing! What's more I'd have more respect for the designer of that machine, now that I understand how it works.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: not FOR nor AGAINST

The reason that light bends is because of the magical paint that the Unicorn and the Fairy paint on the sky.You can not add God as the answer simply because of ignorance. This gets tiresome because regardless of what I say you can simply say "God made the mechanism for that to happen" or "God gave man the idea for that to be created." What you haven't realized is that you aren't really offering anything to the conversation, you are just making a statement of your personal beliefs.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Well, now we're getting somewhere: if you say that the magical paint causes the light to bend like it does then you actually might have a point! But wouldn't it be safer to say that the Fairy riding the Unicorn created the universe? ;)There's really no need to bring anything else to the conversation. We're discussing God, the creator: He creates. Period.If we're talking about green things in a house, then I've got lots of specifics to bring to the conversation. But we're talking about the being that did it all :) So it's just a matter of believe in it or not. I'm not trying to convert you to Christianity or Islam or whatever, I'm just saying there is a God. You don't actually have to throw your life away to believe that!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Complex things like a god can't come before simple things in a natural world, that's makes god supernatural and there are no supernatural things in the natural world. And if god is more complex than the universe then he must have had a creator as well and that creator had to have a creator and so on and so on in infinity.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Just because God created us doesn't mean that he must also be created. God created the universe. Period. Now, having said that, it's simply what I believe. It may well be true that God was created by a more complex being and so on and so forth, I just choose to stop at God because that's as far as my mind would allow me to go :)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If you can stop at god and say that doesn't need a creator then the universe does not need a creator either. Why does it need to be a who that created everything why can't it be a what? In nature there are no complex things like god springing out of nothing to create smaller things, there are always smaller things that create bigger things, god is impossible in the natural world.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

What makes you think a god would be bound by the rules of nature as we know them (or by any rules for that matter)?We're the creation, so we're bound by rules such as smaller things making bigger things, etc... but God is obviously not bound by any of these rules we know of, it is why god is impossible in our natural world. That he is impossible in our natural world doesn't mean he doesn't exist, at all. Colors exist to us because we can discern the differences in the wavelengths of light, for those that can't, they don't know of colors but colors still exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If he is impossible in our world then he couldn't have created our world and be in our world so it's unnecessary to believe in him. If he's not in the world then he does not exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

That's a fair call. But using a little bit of imagination, things can be more fun, especially if it doesn't detract from your life but makes it better...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

So you want to believe in a fairytale, something that is not real? And you don't think that that detracts you from your life? How are you thinking, really? Believing things that aren't real can be extremely harmful for you and people around you, just look at the people that deny AIDS how they don't take their medicine to prevent their children from getting AIDS and when their children are born they don't take them to the doctor so that they can test them and get treatment.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Well, obviously these people are Atheists... I mean AIDS is as real as God, so when they don't believe in God, they also think that AIDS is also not real so that's their downfall right there...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

No they are Christians, Christians don't believe in science and AIDS is science. God is not science so he is not real.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Well, they're not true Christians then... True Christians believe in science. Science brings true Christians closer to God.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

No true Christians can't believe in science because science has looked at the facts in nature that says that animals have evolved and that conflicts with their beliefs. Faith is denial of observed facts.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

At NVYN:The fine tuning argument is a tautology anyway. At the core it states that if things were different [constants of the universe] then things would be different [the universe].The reason the universe appears fine tuned is because: we evolved to fit it. You wouldn't argue that because a fluid fits a glass perfectly that the glass was designed for the liquid.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I'm not saying God designed us for the universe. I'm saying God created the universe and everything in it (including us).The universe evolved this way because it's followed a set of rules (constants, behaviors). Someone made the "beginning material" and also made those rules for those material to eventually evolve into what we have today.Let's take your example of the glass and fluid. God created the glass and the fluid and the way they behave (or interact with each other and everything else).
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

The watchmaker argument IS the same as a fine tuning argument. They just have different names. You said in your earlier paragraph that god made us perfectly, and the universe, and everything within it. That's what a fine tuning argument is.A god doesn't need to be invoked to explain this universe. Every time you invoke a god you just defer the question. Saying god made the "stuff" for the universe just means you must ask, where did the "stuff" come from and where did god come from?You double the amount of unsolved questions.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Dude, if I saw some silica sand next to some water, i wouldn't say that there was a designer, but you're talking about a glass and water in it! But we're talking about something even bigger than that, we're talking about the fact that there's sand and water in the first place!!!God didn't come from anywhere. He just is. If that's too hard to get your head around, consider this: nothingness cannot produce anything, ever, so the only option left is that SOMETHING must have always existed, and caused or created everything else.source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

All you're doing is defining a concept to have its own solution without actually creating a solution. This is what theology is good at, it's called mental gymnastics because it constrains your ability to see the obvious, because you're forced to work with unnecessary assumptions.I'll give you an example:Everything was created January 1st, 2010. You then ask what proof I have. I tell you that Gerungtoter made the universe at that time, and implanted false memories into us, and we can't sense him. You ask who Gerungtoter is and I say "a super-duper alien." You ask how he could do this, how he got here. I say "He's all powerful with his magic and just is."I just defined an entire logical system there, in addition to wrapping up important questions, all within this framework. If you accept the premises then it must logically follow, and you can never investigate beyond what it posits.However if you ask the right questions that aren't limited by what I defined Gerungtoter as, and his universe as being, then it quickly falls apart. Who made Gerungtoter? What use is Gerungtoter in learning how the universe functions? If Gerungtoter can be self-existing, why can't the universe be? Etc.You yourself just defeated your own god. Remember when you typed:"If that's too hard to get your head around, consider this: nothingness cannot produce anything, ever"You just said it there. If nothingness cannot produce anything, then your god couldn't have come into being. But also:"so the only option left is that SOMETHING must have always existed"If something must have always existed, then your god is superfluous. The universe always existed in some form.The simple answer is that adding "god" into cosmology isn't profound or hard to understand, it's simply unnecessary.Now if you want something REALLY profound to contemplate, if our universe has flat geometry, it means that our universe could have popped into existence from nothing, due to incredibly improbable quantum fluctuations and a near-infinite amount of time. Quantum fluctuations are an observed phenomenon, by the way.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

If you say that Gerungtoter created the universe, then I can accept that Gerungtoter is just a name that you gave to God, but I would recommend that you don't restrict creation to January 1st, 2010. I mean why limit to that date when you're talking about the creator?If God has always existed, so could the universeThe universe could have always existed.The universe must have always existed. So because it could have (but not must have) always existed, we can say that God created it instead.You can go ahead and believe that matter had always existed and that the rules that govern how everything behave have always existed. I'll take God instead. After that, we're not that different. I'm as capable in studying the workings of the universe as you are. Belief in the agent of creation doesn't actually stop me from studying his work.Quantum fluctuationsIf I believe that God created all matter, then there's nothing you can say that will negate that view, including quantum fluctuations. A flat geometry universe popping into existence by itself is a charming proposition nonetheless :)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"If you say that Gerungtoter created the universe, then I can accept that Gerungtoter is just a name that you gave to God, but I would recommend that you don't restrict creation to January 1st, 2010. I mean why limit to that date when you're talking about the creator?"Gerungtoter is not god. It is a hyper-advanced alien according to the theology I created.The date it set and limited as a matter of Dogma. You must believe it to be true no matter how silly it is. That is how faith and dogma work. Examples:A man rising from the dead and ascending literally into heaven.The universe being created in 2010.Xenu being the dark master of the galaxy/universe.Golden plates being the basis of the Book of Mormon."So because it could have (but not must have) always existed, we can say that God created it instead."Why? Why add unnecessary premises to something? What you're doing is like saying "Sure differences in charge cause massive discharges known as lightening, but we can say that god causes those discharges too."God is superfluous if matter is eternal. It's as simple as that."Belief in the agent of creation doesn't actually stop me from studying his work."It makes you a wishful thinker. Why stop with god? Why not add unicorns, pixies and zombies to the list? After all they could exist too, and despite there being no evidence for them, it's only because they are above our ability to detect them.Muslims believe in djinn as a matter of fact just as you do with god. No evidence exists for either but argue with someone who believes that djinn cursed someone, or used magic, or whatever."If I believe that God created all matter, then there's nothing you can say that will negate that view, including quantum fluctuations"Hence why I called your belief a form of close-mindedness.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

GerungtoterWhatever. I don't need a religion to believe in God. No dogma either.Why add unnecessary premises to somethingIt's not unnecessary. For me, it explains God's existence. For you, you can say that everything had always been there and all the rules that bound everything together had always been there. But for me, a designer sounds more likely. So while it's unnecessary for you, it's very necessary for me and others who refuse to believe order was an accident that happened without a designer.It makes you a wishful thinker.Actually, it makes me an imaginative thinker, and I'd like to quote Einstein at this point for effect:"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand"