azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

No man claims to have seen god.Clarification:Our knowledge of god is the supposition of abstract attributes.1) Eternal2) Intelligent3) Power4) Love5) Hate6) Mercy7) Compassion8) Judgment9) Fatherhood10) First Creator11) Just12) Righteous13) Etc.,Since our knowledge of god is the suppositional imputation of abstract attributes, no man can know he has seen god; for abstract qualities are not visible. So, when men claim they have seen god, I immediately reason that they have most assuredly seen something that is not god, and hence they are not claiming to have seen god, but rather are claiming that god can be seen.(Oh, they are seeing something alright, but I know they are not claiming to see what is not visible.)Consider these thoughts as an illustration of the impossible.Some men claim they have seen dark matter.Some men claim they have seen dark energy.We know dark matter and energy are not visible. Thusly, any man who claims he has seen either is telling us he has seen that which is not visible, and hence he is claiming he has seen something other than.Now, would you agree that no man claims to have seen dark matter or energy despite his testimony?(I should have explained the justification of my assertion: “No man claims to have seen god.”)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

That's why I like arguing with you. You actually come up with reasons instead of feelings.I believe you're giving many people who claim to have seen god a bit too much credit. Ignoring charlatans though, I'm sure there are many who believe they have seen/felt/heard some type of god, and believe this because of some abstract attribute. That or they were hallucinating of course, I'll even ignore the hallucinations though for this argument.Same with dark matter kind of. So I would say that one who says they had seen it, it would of course not have been the physical presence, maybe they think they saw it, but I know they did not. Since dark matter is proved to exist, and we even use it in CT scans, I believe it exists. Even though I can't see it. So whether one claims to have seen it makes no difference in its existence one way or another, I just think that person was seeing things. This doesn't really address though the god issue. Because people claim to have seen this unseen stuff we know to exist but is actually invisible, does not necessarily mean that anything which is actually invisible but that people have claimed to have sensed in some matter must therefore also exist. It's a moot point. There's nothing to be gained by that line of debate on either side because unlike dark matter or dark energy, there is no equation in which it becomes essential, there is no advanced hospital equipment that we actually make use of god in.Of course the faithful can cite prayer. But prayer doesn't produce a detailed chart of the human brain when you stick someone's head in some kind of prayer machine. If they come up with that machine that uses prayer to scan the brain, I'll have no choice but to admit whatever being prayed to exists in some form. That though is not the case.So while the point is taken. It doesn't lead to god being any more or less likely than prior.Okay, so I love the first part of your argument.Am I wrong in assuming that your view is that since the listed things are attributes one associates with god, then it is not god itself observed, but these things that suppose some beings existence called god? If so, very good. This makes sense and is virtually impossible to disprove.All I can say is that in my opinion each of these attributes are qualities of human beings. And that this definition of god is simply a wishful exaggeration of what we hope to be. We imagine eternal essentially because we wish to not cease to exist, and so we attribute this. All of these subjective qualities certainly come from somewhere, we know they exist because we can define them as subjective as they are, and we have a general universal agreement of what they are.By the same token, one can make god to be a subjective thing. In this case all subjective things. But like love or hate, they cannot be proved. Are love and hate real? Sure, as long as some intelligent thing feels it, it is, it is descriptive and so must be.However, I think we both know that your argument of "god" is not by any stretch even close to what any other theologian is arguing in this debate.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Hey, I need one day to determine how I should respond to your argument, and then I’ll need one or two more days to pen (the computer equivalent) an argument that is worthy of your consideration. Here are some reasons for the delay:1) I agree with your some of your judgments.2) I agree with some of your logic.3) I think your understanding is rare.4) Compliments are warranted.5) Complements are necessary.6) I am elated by your acuity of properly understanding my assertions.7) You correctly identified that which I knew should be inferred.8) And quite simply stated, I am impressed more by what I think you are correct on than I am compelled to dispute what I think you err concerning.9) I wish the list ended at 8.The point is, I want this discussion to serve as an example of iron sharpening iron (both are effective). (It is times like these I truly despise the encumbrance of on-line mediums; a one hour vis-a-vis conversation betwixt us would be much more efficient.)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

That's why I like arguing with you. You actually come up with reasons instead of feelings.Ditto!Actually, I did not argue for or against the existence of God. I simply argued that a God which has those attributes cannot be seen by man. Consequently, any claim predicated upon sight is untenable; meaning, no man can affirm god does not exist because he has not seen God, and no man can affirm God exists because he has seen him.(I invalidated both arguments for and against God’s existence which are predicated upon sight or the absence thereof.)BTW, we cannot prove the existence of God, but we can expose invalid argument for and against God’s existence. And yet the fact remains that we have only invalidated an argument; consequently, the truth or falsity of the root premises can’t be provenAxiom: God’s existence or absence of existence is not demonstrated by argument. I will offer this though:Both of us can be thoroughly convinced that our positions are true to fact. And yet there is no evidence to prove the truth of our views. “The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”—Carl Sagan concerning E.T.I respect your opinion because your position is as precarious as mine. But one of us is correct; it is just a sad reality we can’t prove the truth or falsity of our premises.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

And with that we're stuck. It's nice to come to a logical conclusion though... or lack of conclusion.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Agreed!Too bad more debates aren’t clashes of reason instead of clashes of sophomoric subjectivity.(I owe you a friendly round of debate.)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Does a mind exist?-------------------------------------------------------------
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Only in the same sense that the 'wind' exists. Particularly because the term mind denotes thought.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Electrons' existence are inferred by the consequences of their existence.Gods' existence are inferred by the consequences of their existence.How does that make electrons more likely to exist then gods?People claiming that they can see gods don't make gods less likely to exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, so "science and religion both express it in different forms" and just because you say "religions are just wrong" makes religions... wrong? Surely that's the biggest fallacy of all fallacies? Perhaps lawnman will argue with me on that last statement...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

claiming that something exists, doesnt bring that thing into existence. it's existence must be demonstrated with evidence or the default is to assume it is nonexistent. ontological arguments for existence fail. ppl once said the earth was flat, and that diseases were caused by demons. these claims are obviously false. if we imagine something, it does not mean the thing exists. concepts exist, but no concept is said to have talked the universe into existence. you should really think over your arguments before you make them and try to be objective.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I say its all happening at once...but so that we can not see it in it real state ...like i mean some stuff has already happen and when he thinks its good for us to remember then it happens ...but its really in the past ....
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You're not really debating whether god exist, more like a perception of reality or what reality is. In that case, several things may exist that don't exist now like Harry Potter is a real wizard, there are really 21 continents all the size of Hawaii and God actually exists.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: not FOR nor AGAINST

As crazy as this sounds (and I like far-outness when it comes to gods), I don't think this post argues for or against the existence of gods.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

ONE God exists for sure. BUT, there are no other GOds. My precious Heavenly Father is soooo real and has changed my life. I am on this earth to serve HIM. All other gods such as Allah, Budda, and every thing else is just a chunk of metal or gold or whatever it is. They can't think talk, incourage, Love, punish or anything. MY God is deferent. He is all of those. He lives and HE lives in my heart.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

How do you know your God is a he? Last I heard a "spirit" does not have a physical body... And if we are all created in Gods image, wouldn't that make god both a man and a woman??
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

a teenage mind will think masculinity and femininity can only be physical descriptions. also, why couldnt the reference to god's image be to something other than gender, like creativity, etc
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

It's a restriction of the English language (and any other languagues that can only refer to the third person in a gender).
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Posted twice on accident, but I think I made my point. That should get them wheels turning. lolz.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

prove it trololol. buddha aint a god he's a prophet buddhists don't believe in a god. allah and "your god" are prreee much the same so what makes allah scrap.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

To say that something other than God created us is absurd. Things like DNA and fingerprints prove this. Do any experiment and see how many different results are obtained. To have every human being different can not happen by random acts of nature. It has to be carefully planned. Proof of a higher power is the fact that all humans are not clones, but rather unique.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

How can you speak of DNA and then say that uniqueness is impossible without a God? The experiments done on DNA prove the exact opposite of your argument. You would know that if you had actually bothered to research your argument.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Figures don't lie, but figurers do. The facts are what you make them to be.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You found a TV, you brought it home and you learned how it operates and perhaps you even know how to make now, but that doesn't make the manufacturer of that original TV non-existent. You can't say this is how DNA works and then say that it proves there's no creator! That's just stupid! God created the DNA and its structures and the rules with which it operates.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Saying that God did something does not mean he did. That is why we are having this debate. Statements are not arguments, so why do you use them as though they are.If God created DNA, why is it not mentioned in the Bible, a book that supposedly contains the path to knowledge of our existence?For that matter, why does the Bible frequently contradict itself?Why is there no knowledge inside it that was not discovered by humans first?Why do you need a God to live a normal life?I didn't say that DNA disproves the existence of a God, I merely refuted the claim that it proves it, and I quote: 'To say that something other than God created us is absurd. Things like DNA and fingerprints prove this.'Your own 'that's just stupid' argument works both ways.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Saying that God did something, means he did it (to me). Statements are arguments. If I make a statement or claim, that's an argument, and you'll have to refute it in a debate. That's what a debate is.My belief in God doesn't mean I'm restricted to the Bible. Sure it's a guide, but it ain't a manual for my entire life. So no, the Bible doesn't have God's creation recipe, otherwise we wouldn't have this debate!Why do I need a God to live a normal life?I don't. I choose to belief. Like many other things about a normal life, choice is what we always have (except in countries where the government ban that specific choice cos they're just stupid).I'm gonna quote you about the DNA stuff:How can you speak of DNA and then say that uniqueness is impossible without a God? The experiments done on DNA prove the exact opposite of your argument.That's you saying you've studied the TV's inner workings and declare that it's possible that the TV manufactured itself.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

""To say that something other than God created us is absurd. Things like DNA and fingerprints prove this. Do any experiment and see how many different results are obtained. To have every human being different can not happen by random acts of nature. It has to be carefully planned. Proof of a higher power is the fact that all humans are not clones, but rather unique.""The reason we tend towards difference is not because of careful planning at all. Do you realise how many traits you have? Thousands that just express themselves as phenotypes like hair colour, skin type, etc. Then take into account the number of different variations of traits there are, and the random sorting of traits caused by reproduction, and the fact that we all mutate each time we reproduce. It's little wonder that we almost never find unrelated twins.Our traits, our DNA isn't even engineered. We can do experiments that demonstrate this. Sorry but you're just wrong in every way. If we were created one should expect conformity, like we came from a factory.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Yes but without s God exists but not other gods.So yes a God exists but not gods.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

i believe a God does exist. i do not have the proof to convince the whole world, but i have enough to convince myself, which suits me just fine.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Of course there is... If there wasnt we all wouldnt be here.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

i woud say that GOD does exist but not gods.i always give proof after my argument and i would say that if there was no god or super natural power the reasons to live for or give meaning to life would be savage or few while those who belive in god see the future of the world in peace,happines and other thinks..i gues that if there was no evidence of super natural power neither you or me should have been able to control the savagery of the world..
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: NO

you claim that those who believe in a god see the future of the world in peace. havent you ever heard of the rapture or revelation? an apocalypse is not any rational or peace loving man's idea of peace. it is the utter destruction of the world and all we know. this is what abrahamic faith instills in its subscribers. this is belief in a god. so is the belief that 99% of the ppl who have lived or will ever live, will burn in a lake of fire for eternity. this does not instill anyone with peace. only fear.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok tell me this if god didn't exist what set off the big bang, what made suns, galaxies, different forces that build a structured universe that follows rules, who set those rules? it can only be god, and if I'm wrong and everything was just a quiescence and after death everything is just black and surrounded by darkness, i think id rather die have faith in that through my life if i have followed a lie but Ive done good things then death doesn't seem all that bad. at any rate knowing that there life after death is hope for all man kind that shouldn't really be turned down, but i think that god does exist because the universe is to big to be one big coincidence.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I believe in one god and if people say "wheres the proof that there's a god" i am going to make another point which is "wheres the proof that there isnt"
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You can't prove the lack of something.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

wheres the proof that there isntThe burden of proof is on the believer. Can you disprove that I have a dragon in my bedroom? If I made such an absurd claim would you blindly accept it as true without using some sort of logic or reasoning?I believe in one godIf I was to say with a straight face that I believe in fairies, everyone would think I was insane. I would have no real friends, wouldn't get a proper job, would never be taken seriously. For some reason though, it is socially acceptable for you to believe in your invisible friend.Isn't it convenient that you believe in the exact same god that you were brought up to believe in? The exact same one your family believe in? The exact same one you were taught about in school? The one they spoke about at your church? What are the odds!!? Out of the thousands of gods who have been revered around the world by thousands of cultures over thousands of years...it just so happens that the god of your time, and your community is true! Turns out (with no additional knowledge or anything else to go by) that Zeus wasn't true, neither was Vishnu or Tenrikyo or Allah or Agdistis or Ah Puch or Ahura Mazda or Alberich or Amaterasu or An or Anansi or Anat or Andvari or Anshar or Anu or Aphrodite or Apollo or Apsu or Ares or Artemis or Asclepius or Athena or Athirat or Athtart or Atlas. What a stroke of luck for you!?(I can go through B-Z for you if you wish)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

i think some sort of god(s) is out there, but i don't think its the god of any man made religion.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Do Gods exist? Yes. The definition of god is#3: a person or thing of supreme valueTherefore, anything that you value is a god. This is true whether you are to stupid to comprehend this. The facts and just the facts. Gods do exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

We are speaking of #1: a life-giving, all powerful intelligence. Do not sully this debate with semantics.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Though out history idols have been claimed to do just that. Semantics, no. Just the way it is.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Proof that God exists:Courtesy of debater Kellogg.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

That is not proof.That is a video that plays with words and disregards its own assertions over time, space and matter.The first argument:Nothing created everything (impossible) orSomething ALWAYS existed and created everything that is created.If this 'Something' exists outside of of Time, Matter and Space then it does not exist. Matter and Space are essential to existence. If time cannot be infinite, then nothing can, because time cannot be escaped. If God has existed forever and will always exist, then time must be infinite. However, the video has proved that it is not, so therefore God cannot be eternal, because eternity is impossible if you exist outside of time. The argument also falls down on the creation idea. If god exists without time, then it does not mean He is eternal, it posits that He has never been, because he has had no time to be in.Or, if the physical restrictions and the 'something' are extant, then I submit an alternate theory to that of a sentient God.I say a something exists outside T,M and S. (Sentience is not necessary, as this is physics).1. It has had no time to be, and has no time to be eternal either. To be eternal requires infinite time, which is does not exist. If you exist outside time, then you do not exist at all.2. It has no matter. By definition then, it must either be energy or nothing. Energy moves to, or becomes matter.3. If there is no space to be in, and this is before space was created, then we must assume this energy is all there is. 4. We must now put aside the 'outside time' part for this energy to exist at all.5. So, all of the universe exists as this energy, which has no space around it, but must have an area of space equal to it's volume, so it is space.6. Energy can become mass in a number of ways, including under heat and pressure. As the energy exists without a medium , it must be radiation: heat energy. Having all the universe's energy in such an 'infinitely' small space would create pressure (theoretically, anyway). This would convert energy to matter.7. Matter has more volume than energy , so expansion is required. Do you recognize what this is leading up to yet?8. Every molecule in the universe being created at once would result in a very, very fast expansion. In fact, this during this expansion, we witness the creation of Time, Space and Matter.So there you have it. The Big Bang, completely God free, and operating (mostly) within the physical restrictions laid out by the video. If you want to worship this energy as a deity then go ahead, but I doubt it would care.Christ (ha ha), I'm going to bed. I look forward to your inevitable, but nevertheless welcomed refutation.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Matter and Space are essential to existenceYes for us. No for God...eternity is impossible if you exist outside of timeWhat do you mean? Eternity is a timeless value. Its very definition is outside of time. It's not a very long time, or even a very very very long time. It's timeless.So there you have it. The Big Bang, completely God free, and operating (mostly) within the physical restrictions laid out by the video.Ok, nice. Energy, where did that come from? Oh, it must have always existed for your theory to be "ok", but time is not infinite, so oops! I dunno dude, if you can actually disprove God's existence, you'd probably win some sort of World Science Award or something... the whole world actually wants to know ;)