Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

I did you're cutting out the rest of my position. If you are not going to debate against that then I'm right as far as you and I are concerned and also if you're not going to admit that then its obvious you're knowledge of the subject derives not from your own observations but based on the wishes and opinions of others which isn't knowledge at all. And I did describe how morality is objective and binding... you're ignoring that!The rest of your argument was irrelevant, I'm not wasting my time with fruitless tangents.t has! Humans have not always practiced morality... Have you ever heard of the Dark Ages?The dark ages had nothing to do with morality, it was a historical period in which culture collapsed along with the Roman Empire and increasing Church oppression.Is this not what you said?..."This is a fundamental axiom that must be accepted if we are to have appropriate discourse."Unless my computer is changing your words somehow during the process of cut and paste then this is what you said! You're now trying to say the opposite and that's fine because you are still wrong! Please learn to read. My whole quote was this:Nobody knows where morality comes from, or even whether it exists. This is a fundamental axiom that must be accepted if we are to have appropriate discourse.Notice the bold, as in, that's what I said was an axiom. Jesus Christ, comprehension man, it isn't difficult. Morality is very axiomatic otherwise we wouldn't have laws! The dark ages is a prime example of what happens when morality is not perceived as a real object!I have already rebutted both of these points. Nothing meaningful? What else matters??? Do you know the definition of health? It's not restrictive to just physical wellness. Yes a man who is obese that gives millions to charity is immoral!So can he ever cancel out his obesity? How much money would he need to give? Or is obesity so sinful that no money could ever cancel out his inherent wickedness? I've never received any money from any charity that some obese man has contributed to, to make my life easier and I have and am definitely suffering from the affects on society several people who are obese have caused! Our laws unfortunately don't observe it as a crime but that doesn't make it right.Firstly, dafuq? Are you insinuating that obese people don't give to charity?And secondly, dafuq? You want to make obesity a crime?What point? You never previously made one apparent to me and that wasn't my point anyways, you're contorting it and you know it. You're trying to insert some unspoken point of your own at an opportune time when someone makes a point relative but at the same time contorting it to fit yours.I'm seriously starting to believe that you have Alzheimer's. You said:You just think rules or laws are there to force people to live a certain wayI said that I agree with that, and that laws exist only to restrict people. You then said: If all the sudden the law changed from being illegal to legal to drive drunk, I still wouldn't do it.Which proved my point that laws only restrict, not aid.You honestly believe that if laws were removed then crime wouldn't increase?Yes, and I have proof. Marijuana usage in the Netherlands is legal, and is lower than it was when it was illegal. Conversely, America has a higher marijuana usage (per head) than the Netherlands. Seeing as the majority of crimes are petty and personal, I have no reason not to believe that the rates would decrease.Okay well in your world then I'd be afraid to walk down the street minding my own business because someone could justifiably shank me for no reason. It's not the law that would stop me from shitting on your lawn it's the fact that if it was legal then I'd have to deal with people shitting on my lawn too.The law doesn't stop people shitting on your lawn, common sense does. It's not illegal to masturbate in an airplane toilet, but nobody does, because of common sense. It's not illegal to eat glue sticks, but nobody does, because of common sense. If shitting on lawns were legal, nobody would, because of common sense. You get it now?You got that wrong... There is a justified cause for every good moral act and there is a rationalization for every immoral act!Give me a moral act, and I guarantee I can rationalise it amorally.That's the problem!! You think humans are equal to beasts and every act a human is capable of doing can be rationalized the same as a bear, deer, fish, ect. That's why I said if you believe in amorality you are fit for the wilderness not in a political society!So you won't give me examples, nor prove me wrong?This is all starting to get away from the debate topic but I'll tie it all back in by saying everything you're saying is an attempt to rationalize abortions... You're not justifying it! You're trying to use science to justify it which it can be if you live in a non-political society and you don't practice morality and that means no laws, and nothing practical to the improvement to your society!That is not written in syntax, please try again.