azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

What do you mean? These statistics are facts and the people who belong in the numbers have testimonies . You see, this is just one, pre-marital relationships barely last, many of these relationships included sex. However picture this scenario, a couple break up after having sex they both form a new relationship and would have sex as well with other people and this might go on for a little longer. Research has shown that condoms do not stop all STD's. This way someone could be exposing himself to the STD's of many people through a single act of intercourse. This risk is decreased by Marital Sex and marriage of responsible people who know what they are doing. And this is the flaw on the try-before-you-buy argument.This study was conducted on a high school.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Of course pre marital sex relationships barely last, but like I said, look at the divorce rates as well. You can't expect these relationships to last, but you still learn from them. I'm well aware condoms don't stop all spreading of diseases, but, like i said, that's why we should keep children informed to make their own informed decisions about what they do with their bodies. I think just arguing against pre marital sex in itself is a lost cause, hence, why I stress it's important for kids to be informed about what they're doing. Telling a child they can't, as everyone well knows, is not going to stop them from doing so. And please, getting married does not represent a persons having responsibility when it comes to sex, someone who is well aware and well eduacated into what (or whom) they're doing, and except the risks they are taking, is taking on a role of responsibility.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Most divorces have been due to lack of commitment and faithfulness to the spouse. Most people who marry do not know what marriage means, if they knew what marriage was they would not have done it. A mother who raised their child well will not let him/her have pre-marital sex until they leave the house, they might not want them to, but they raised them and told them the consequences, this rarely happens in some countries.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Please, do tell what marriage is to you then? Aparently you know better than a couple who has made the decision to get married and have it not work out?And okay, let me get this straight... You're telling me that I was not raised well because my parents didn't "stop" me from having pre marital sex while under gaurdianship? My parents gave me all the necessary information I needed to know what I was getting myself into and made sure I was well protected. If my parents told me I wasn't "allowed" to have pre marital sex, I would have done it anyways, but I would have been less informed, and probably less protected. It's BECAUSE my parents allowed it, that I was safe. They couldn't have stopped me. And i'm no exception, most kids are having pre marital sex! And what i'm getting at is, the best we can do for them, is inform them, and make sure they're protected... kids are natural rebellions! Tell them no, and they will do it. Pre marital sex is a thing of the past, people need to except that so that more of our young generation can be informed!
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

That's because the girls who practice abstinence who practice catholicism are afraid to commit suicide. Girls who don't have that religious view don't have to worry about commiting suicide. All I have to say is Catholic my balls :D
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Teenage boys who have sex are seven times more likely to commit suicide than boys who are sexually abstinent. (ibid)
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Girls who have abortions are six times more likely to commit suicide than those who don't.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

In regards to the suicide statistics: why? Why do so many people kill themselves after abortions or pre-marital sex? It could possibly have something to do with a culture that degrades people who take part in these activities? If you want an abortion, you can bet you wont be able to get one without having "pro-life" propaganda shoved in your face, and once you do you will be made to feel like a murderer. If you have sex often or before marriage, you will be made to feel like a slut. If a sexual relationship ends badly (most relationships, sexual or otherwise, do), you will be made to feel you made a mistake it putting out, or that sex was the reason things didn't work out. In my country, which is rabidly religious, pre-marital sex is also a sin, a crime against god, and even in a religion of self-loathing, the guilt many people feel over angering the man in the sky is no small thing. Andy posted further down that a girl tried to kill herself because she had sex and the kids at school started relentlessly bullying her for it. The problem isn't the sex in this case, its the relentless bullying. Sex might be the target of the relentless bullying, as it is with all the more mature name calling and guilt tripping, and while abstaining from sex might be the easier way to avoid all that, I'd be more inclined to waste my breath trying to curb a society that thinks sex before marriage is wrong and doesn't refrain from telling us so in the crudest possible terms. A society that drives sexually active people to kill themselves for the precised sin of being sexually active.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

the testimonies say differently................ http://www.premaritalsex.info/stories.htm
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

First two paragraphs, in the intro: because of this truth that sin never delivers what it's promised. Not exactly a beacon of impartiality if they have to invoke god in order to make the things humans do a crime. Oh well, more of the same.12 out of the 15 examples on the site involved religion, god, or sin. Of the three that didn't, one was an excerpt from a book, and another described a case of rape. No shit if your sexual experience before marriage includes only rape, you might have a negative view of pre-marital sex. One of fifteen was a genuine confession of regret, guilt, or heartbreak that didn't involve imaginary friends and imaginary crimes, like god and sin. So far from persuading me of anything, you actually reinforced some of my points: your biased sources, for one, but also that the crock of bullshit and lies we call religion - as well as the very negative impact it has had on our society - is largely to blame for the guilt and regret that plagues pre-marital sex. But if you want to pretend that god and religion don't play a huge part in those testimonials, sure, i can play ball: its mainly a list of people bitching about the heartbreak, loneliness, and regret that is a completely normal part of dating someone. Scratch that, a normal part of being a human being. People talk about feeling vulnerable. About being sad after a breakup, about a failed marriage, about lying partners, and about mistakes in general. Most of it exists in all relationships, sexual or no, and most of it exists in marriages where both partners abstained from sex before getting involved. The rest of it is completely normal. You should also note, again, that people rarely write to tell the world that they have a normal, loving, sexual relationship and everything is dandy. People do bitch a lot, though. But then we have this shit: But I worship an awesome and forgiving God. I know I shall reap what I sow, and that is the most important thing to know. I can't tell you how ashamed I am, all because of a few months of pleasure. Which is just all over the website you sent and does nothing but confirm that people are damn good at brainwashing their children. Shame, guilt, remorse, self-loathing, disconnection from life and from reality, and despising the wretched human condition are the things religion thrives on, and, in the US, this poison has seeped perhaps irreparably into our culture and in my opinion plays a huge role into driving people to feel ashamed, guilty, remorseful, etc, which, in turn, influences suicide rates.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

those are just testimonies but this is the actual thing, http://medsavailable.com/articles/the-emotional-repercussions-of-premarital-sex  you cannot deny that having pre-marital sex is damaging, also from those testimonies, what i really wanted to point out is how it feels if the couple break up after sex.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

I do deny that it is damaging, i don't deny that when you open yourself up to someone and develop stronger bonds with them that severing those bonds is more painful. And normal. And comparatively it must feel so much worse when the break up happens after marriage, as it does some 50% of the time. Is a 50% failure rate and an even greater emotional heartbreak somehow proof that marriage is damaging and you should abstain from it entirely? And are you implying that when people in non-sexual relationships break up its all smiles and rainbows?I'm going to stop attacking your sources. You keep trying to back up one questionable source with another, and looking into the founders, benefactors, and authors of the sites you send is just getting tedious. And my argument is just as valid if your sources are correct, anyways. So lets just do that.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

"And are you implying that when people in non-sexual relationships break up its all smiles and rainbows?" nope, but no where near as bad and it is not scarring unlike pre-marital sex. Most divorce rates have been due to adultery or cheating. And a married couple who actually know their place love each other and more and have a low probability of divorcing. Marriage is bond that is harder to break. If you do not love each other and you are "married" then you are not married deep down, do you know what I mean? also the mistakes the divorced parents do can be passed on to their children. http://www.jyi.org/news/nb.php?id=352 Countries where porn is censored, have lower divorce rates. http://mfgmarriage.com/does-watching-porn-lead-divorce/ divorce can be stopped by, stop watching porn, cover more skin ( be humble) so marital infidelity can stop and remind everyone what marriage really, really is. Conclusion; knowing wat marriage really is about is when you really are married, in actuality, if you marry and you don't truly love the person, you are no literally married and bonded, you just attended a ceremony.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

I don't want to research and devalue a 5th and 6th website of yours. Please stop posting them, and we can just go under the assumption that statistics are correct. nope, but no where near as bad and it is not scarring unlike pre-marital sex.Just from my own experience i know that this isn't true. If you don't mind me asking, have you been in and eventually broken up with several partners in both sexual and abstinent relationships? I have, and i cant really draw any correlation between the degree of heartbreak and the sexual status of my relationships. Also, is your goal in life to end up 6 feet under, unblemished, unmarked, and without scars? If you don't use this body, this amazing tool we all have, you're wasting it. It's like you own a Ferrari but you never drive it, you just keep it covered in the garage. If you take it out, it might get a ding in the door or something, hell, you might even crash! but whats the point of owning a Ferrari if you don't drive it?So... marriages that work are real and all the ones that don't are fake and sin-riddled? It seems like you're arguing that if married couples love one another, are faithful, celibate before marriage, dress modestly, and don't watch porn, all marriages will be successful. Which is, in essence, taking the human element out of marriage.Also I'm getting a fair amount of research that says that abandonment, abuse, substance abuse, illness, mental or otherwise, bad communication or conflict resolution, differences in lifestyles, sexual incompatibility, different career goals, contradicting religious or political beliefs, an excess or lack of control, different ideas of how to raise/treat children, financial issues, stress, and boredom are all significant and repeating factors in divorce, and while most of those lack the "You're cheating on me! I'm leaving, you bastard!* response, downplaying them would be foolish. And most of them aren't unduly affected by sex before marriage. And one could actually be solved by having sex before marriage. And, historically speaking, love is kind of a silly reason to get married. Marriage is more a social (and financial) contract than anything else, and the personal beliefs people put behind it are just that: personal. Chemically speaking, love is just a different party going on in your body than usual, and it's not unchangeable or constant or everything it's made out to be.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Well, it is not love by itself but love and this wish for a happy family which wants them to get married, they can't have children when they are no married because the child would be negatively affected. I was single my whole lifetime. I only don't want pre-marital sex, it causes a huge amount of trouble. Now here is the question which is BETTER, pre-marital sex or marital sex? I plan to use my "Ferrari" at the right times
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Well, it is not love by itself but love and this wish for a happy family which wants them to get married, they can't have children when they are no married because the child would be negatively affectedNot entirely sure what you're trying to say here... except for the last bit. I shouldnt have a child if I'm not married? Why the hell not? What does a government approved, religiously based bit of paper have to do with loving and raising your child right? I guess i can see how, in a largely religious world, most people might take a great deal of comfort in the idea of marriage. Security, commitment, and the like. But that doesn't mean that marriage is required for those emotions, nor to confirm them. Love, fidelity, and a healthy relationship are all possible outside of marriage. Now here is the question which is BETTER, pre-marital sex or marital sex?I'll never know how marital sex feels because I'll never get married. But pre-marital sex is usually pretty good. Most of the time its rewarding and satisfying and fun, and helps me bond with those people that i care about. I can see how two virgins having sex after marriage might lead to the 'this is awesome!' response, and how a lack of previous partners to compare one another to might lead them to believe that they have a full and rewarding sex life. But losing my virginity outside of marriage was awesome, and every sexual partner i have had since has helped me to better understand myself, my wants and my needs, as well as those of my partner and women in general. Evidently my sex life has its flaws, i've made my share of mistakes, gotten hurt and hurt others and i have a couple regrets, but then, what part of my life is flawless? This all sounds completely normal to me. Your plan for using your Ferrari is designed to eliminate all possibility of ever damaging it in any way. Im telling you that is an entirely impractical ideal if you plan to use it at all. Better to use it for what it was made for... driving. Marriage is more like idling it in the same garage, every night. You will never see anything new through the windshield, you will never experience the joy of driving from place to place. But, as you pointed out, you will drastically reduce the chance of your precious car every getting damaged. But not entirely. No matter what you do you cant protect that car. The same with your body. You can still get an STD (drop the S) without ever having sex. You can still have your heart broken, still enter into a false, crappy relationship, still end up hating the person you used to love (it happens 50% of the time). But these are not reasons not to do something; these are reasons to do things carefully.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

although many are GOD-Related there are some who mention other things and not god.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Scary StatisticsIn 1960, there were two sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) that caused the greatest concern among medical doctors: gonorrhea and syphilis. Herpes was rarely seen. In the 1970s, one adolescent in 47 contracted an STD. Today, that figure is one in four, and there are now over 25 STDs which are contracted primarily through sexual activity, 50 to 100 different types of human papilloma virus (HPV) and perhaps another 50 diseases which may be passed through sexual activity. About 15 million new STD infections occur each year in the U.S., one-quarter of them in people younger than 20. A recent study of 18- to 22-year-old sexually active women showed 50% were infected with HPV at some time during the three-year study period. A sexually transmitted disease is responsible for more than 99% of cervical cancers, and nearly all abnormal Pap smears. Using a condom, even 100% of the time, does not eliminate the risk of an STD.And people ask me why I am do not support Pre-Marital sex.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

... oh come on, be realistic here, you can throw statistics at us all day, and that isn't going to change anything. Marriage in itself is becoming somewhat of joke- if you want to throw statistics around lets look at the divorce rates. To expect any one person to "save them self" (however, i think that term on its own is quite comical) is just naive. Sex is something to be explored and to be enjoyed, it's unfortunate that disease goes around, but kids are well educated on diseases, how to protect themselves from it, and in the end it's their decision, and their bodies. As for the suicide rates, you really think it's fair to throw in pre marital sex as a cause for suicide? Pre marital sex is hardly the cause for majority of suicides out there! And suicide is such a complicated topic on it's own, two people can have the exact same experiences, and one may come out completely unharmed and untraumatized where as the other did not. Pre marital sex is going to happen, a lot, instead of trying to force kids into thinking its wrong, or that they should "save them self", its more realistic and intelligent of us to give them all of the information they need so they can make an informed decision on what they choose to do with their bodies.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

While I agree with everything you said an am supporting your argument, a co-worker recently had her daughter try to commit suicide because she had sex as a freshman in high school and all her friends turned on her and started verbally and socially attacking her.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

I'm very sorry to hear that. but my arguement here would be, is the soley because it was pre-marital sex? Or is the problem here with the lack of support on bullying and abuse. Young girls have sex with freshmen all the time, it isn't because of the sex, it's because of the children who are attacking her. Kids need to be informed, and have access to help in these situations, such as with your friend's daughter. It could've went down as a typical, every day teenage hook up, but kids are cruel, and there needs to be more awareness on how to handle bullying in schools.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Thats a problem with school kids, not pre-marital sex. Groups turn against their own all the time in high school and such. The alpha female in her group could've turned against your friends daughter for wearing the same shoes as her to prom. The daughter could've found herself shunned and ridiculed for that, like anything else, but we wouldn't stand around blaming shoes or prom, we would blame the asshole high school kids.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Your line of reasoning is the same as me posting spousal abuse statistics and using them to justify to myself why i should never get married. And then urging others to do the same.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Believe me, I hate the no premarital sex rule. Mr. Vibrator can only do so much. :(
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

You can only have sex if you're not married, at least according to the feminist fridge magnets in my kitchen. After marriage, you just sit awkwardly, or occasionally play footsie.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

which is a problem with today's society. People are not showing love , sincerity and compassion as much as they used to. I thought feminists did not like pre-marital sex, hmmm guess I was wrong.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

I'm sure most feminists love sex, it's just that no man would willingly mate with such self righteous, stuck up old trouts.Why does sex have to be about love and compassion? And why is this not possible pre-marriage?
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

because sex is pretty intimate and well one of my arguments explains why. Hint: suicide rates argument
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

I doubt the rates are caused by the actual sex itself. I know they say that women can be disappointed by our performance, but they won't kill themselves over it. The rates are probably due to consequences, like STD's, pregnancies, etc.Of course sex is intimate. That's why it should be done before marriage. Try before you buy, y'know?
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

Even if it was that won't change the case. First Sexual Experience: Most surveys show that the average age at which a person becomes sexually active is 16 years. One US survey revealed that 63% of youth aged 14 to 21 are sexually active. Another found that 70% of youth will become sexually active before graduation from high school. The National Center for Health Statistics conducted a survey in 1995 and released its results in 1997-MAY-1. It showed that 50% of 15 to 19 year old young women and 55% of young men have engaged in sexual intercourse at least once. The corresponding numbers in 1988 were 55% and 60%. 40% of women will become pregnant during their teen years; 20% of teen women will have a child. 1
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

http://chastity.com/chastity-qa/how-far-too-far/sex/why-premarital-sex-bad-my-fr  look at this site as well.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

That website is Christian propaganda. Really, what it's saying is "atheists have a higher suicide rate than Christians". Shocking.Teenagers are curious. They shall have an urge to experience sex, such is the essence of sexual maturity. I doubt that there are many who, upon losing their virginity, think that they're going to be together forever and ever. They just want a drunken shag. It feels good. So what?
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

NO, 80 percent of Christians have had sex. And some of those who committed suicide were Christians.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Yes... and those 80% were married, no?I don't dispute that some Christians commit suicide. I'm saying that it's generally less than atheists.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Marital Sex

No they were no married that is the whole point of me posting the argument.
Debate: Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex
Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Were these Christians practicing Christians, or just Christian in name, like myself?