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Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"How can you come to the opposite conclusion? Are you there?"No, but given the level of social injustice that is virtually indemic in your soceity it makes sense that good honest decent people woudl finally say enough is eough and take to the streets, add to to that the videos i have seen and the people i deeply respect openly coming out in favour the protests and i suppose i have swayed towards thinking this movement probably has a lot going for it, don't get me wrong, maybe your right, and maybe this is just going to amount to nothing but im hopeful.I admit you have just as much insight as i do, maybe even more, it is your country but im not going to make any final judgement until see this movement for myself, its spreading acorss the globe, its goin to be in my home town soon (uits already in Dublin) and then ill be one of those smelly lazy hippies you hate so much."Look at pictures of the crowd... a large percentage of them look nutty as hell. That's just my opinion."There a diverse crowd, i would view that as a good thing."opinion. I have said that not all of them are but if you don't think that a huge percentage of them are protesting simply for the sake of protesting then I think you are naive."I dunno maybe your right, i suppose i amm being a little naive.2 They have no clear message and no solutions. What do they want?" they have ltos of demands actuially"They have a message and im sure they fathom a few solutions if anyone took them seriously:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG_TKAJyV6k "And remember that the top 1% also pays 30-40% of the federal taxes "Come fucking off it."Not true, I changed my wording from "all" to "most" or "many" after you bitched about it"Ok fair enough."Europe's economy is worse than ours right now and Ireland's was really in the toilet a couple years ago, I assume it still is but that is just an assumption on my part"Ya were still reptty bad, but i think the worst is over, luckily i weather the storm in college, nice and comfy."You think wealth is distributed evenly across Europe?"NO thats why nearly every city in europe is protesting, you name the city theres some sort of prtest going on, in Rome it turned violent cause about 1000 anarchist came with no intention to protest peacefull, they had ptrol bombs." The violent protesters in Rome and Greece don't seem to think so. At least our protesters haven't been violent, yet."Your portestors haven't your police force certainly have, and many think the polcie are going to turn this thigns very violent very soon, and then your media will be saying look at these protestors hurting cops and attack good decent average guys, and vandalising, and im sure you'll lap that up as well. In far the police didn't start it in Rome, and bunch of crazed anarchists did but if it happen in NY its goin be the police at from what ive seen.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

There is little dispute that the top 1% pays 30-40% of the total as far as I know. That's the conclusion that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office came to... but of course you will never believe that and that's cool.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"There is little dispute that the top 1% pays 30-40% of the total as far as I know"I don't want to insult you but you seem to be grossly misinformed, and because of that you have come to conclusions that are grossly misinformed, but i don't blame you, you are subject to themost sophisticated propaganda machine ever conceived, add nationalismm into the mix and you have a potent combination. Please take this seriously, this is why you are wrong:"2. The wealthiest Americans don’t carry the burden.This is one of those oft-used canards. Sen. Rand Paul, the tea party favorite from Kentucky, told David Letterman recently that “the wealthy do pay most of the taxes in this country.”The Internet is awash with statements that the top 1 percent pays, depending on the year, 38 percent or more than 40 percent of taxes.It’s true that the top 1 percent of wage earners paid 38 percent of the federal income taxes in 2008 (the most recent year for which data is available). But people forget that the income tax is less than half of federal taxes and only one-fifth of taxes at all levels of government.Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners. That’s because, once you reach $106,800 of income, you pay no more for Social Security, though the much smaller Medicare tax applies to all wages. Warren Buffett pays the exact same amount of Social Security taxes as someone who earns $106,800."Source: http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_ about_taxes.html Please read thorugh the article, its quite informative and gives you a good idea why there are people current occupying times square.Also, this recent Chomsky interview gives a good accunt of the current situation, i don't really have time to interpret it and put it into my own words sorry :-(http://www.nationofchange.org/noam-chomsky-us-economic-crisis-1315931746
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Well I did say "federal" income tax but you make a valid point about the other taxes. I was merely stating the CBO's findings on federal taxes. Our tax system is so complicated and such a freaking mess I don't really trust anyone's numbers to be honest and the numbers can easily be manipulated to favor anyone's point of view. Our entire tax system needs to be tossed out and started over... I will concede that. And just to be clear... I have never said that the system was fair.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"Well I did say "federal" income tax but you make a valid point about the other taxes. I was merely stating the CBO's findings on federal taxes. Our tax system is so complicated and such a freaking mess I don't really trust anyone's numbers to be honest and the numbers can easily be manipulated to favor anyone's point of view."I don't beleive so, i think the rich are taxed substantially less than the poor, but i will conceed i don't have an in-depth knowledge of the system but im willing to trust Noam Chomsky.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Occupy is world-wide but there has been nationwide arrests in the U.S. Although no Syrian-like brutal crackdown of the Arab Spring protests - denying political public assembly may finally pry open the eyes of Amercians that freedom is only an illusion unless prepared to sacrifice for it.What is disturbing is the 'kidnapping' of legit customers at a bank - If the bank wanted them to leave - why didn't they let them?23 customers of Citibank allegedly found themselves under arrest after being locked in the bank at 555 La Guardia Place, New York by security guards who even forced legitimate Citibank customers going about their daily business back into the bank.If Gov't takes the gloves off - will America react with increased violence - hardly - with the attention span of 8 seconds I doubt that this will sustain for the presidential election.... because there is no politcal leader out there for the 99%
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: I sure hope not

A revolution of spoiled, dumb brats who want the government to do all the work for them? I sure hope not! But with the idiots in America today, anything is possible....ugh...
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Ya maybe you'll get your home foreclosed in the coming weeks and months and maybe then you'll understand, until til then your just going to have to remain small minded.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

I would guess most those people do not own homes but rent. I would bet a great portion of them are Democrats....who believe in a nanny state. Most the people at these protests WANT TO GET ARRESTED JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT. Most the protesters are there because they think if they are in a group they can break the law and get away with it. They obstruct the traffic...they overturn trash cans.....have sex and eliminate in public. They are hoodlums. They are not following the law...they are breaking it. They are not peaceful...because in most places of protest police are there in riot gear. They have no respect for the shop owners or the people who live in the neigborhood...they are lewd, many are using this as a place to deal drugs. Its a cess pool of people who don't have a message other than gee....we aren't rich...and the government owes us. This is more than just people who are frustrated with the economy. This is just the type of activity that Obama would love and embrace. They are lazy, left wing radical...thugs.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"I would guess most those people do not own homes but rent."Guess is the key word there."I would bet a great portion of them are Democrats....who believe in a nanny state"Bet is the key word here, you have no basis to make any such assertion."Most the people at these protests WANT TO GET ARRESTED JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT."Now your baseless assumptions are becoming wackier and wackier."Most the protesters are there because they think if they are in a group they can break the law and get away with it."You started by qualifying your ridiculous speculations with "i guess", and "i bet", now your stating it as if it is widely accepted fact."They obstruct the traffic...they overturn trash cans.....have sex and eliminate in public. They are hoodlums. They are not following the law...they are breaking it. They are not peaceful...because in most places of protest police are there in riot gear. They have no respect for the shop owners or the people who live in the neigborhood...they are lewd, many are using this as a place to deal drugs.Its a cess pool of people who don't have a message other than gee....we aren't rich...and the government owes us. This is more than just people who are frustrated with the economy"Your crazy speculation reaches its epak somehwere in near the end here, i could plot it on a grpah."This is just the type of activity that Obama would love and embrace."Wow you've even managed to take a swipe at Obama, i have to admit your not bad at spouting crazy speculative right wing bullshit.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Well I'm only 14 and I don't see my parent's house getting foreclosed anytime soon because they have something called a JOB and pay their bills,but these idiots graduate out of college, see that the real world requires WORK, then instead of dealing with it and becoming successful, they go out and protest because the government isn't babying them. This is what happens when Liberals have a get-together and put their heads together....sad...just...sad.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Do you have any idea how much debt is being passed onto the middle class, really you should go and do some research before you characterise a movement in the way that you did.http://maxkeiser.com/tag/keiser-report/
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

You my friend assume that all people against this movement are somehow well to do when in fact, that is not the case. In fact many people including myself are below slightly above or on the poverty line. We however have enough sense to realize that rich people are not some sort of evil 1% who take hoard all the wealth and put those who wish to rise in stature down. It is simply not the case I and I am growing really tired of your ridiculous anti-western (particularly towards the US) sentiment and your constant whining about our society when this entire conversation would not be possible without the US.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"You my friend assume that all people against this movement are somehow well to do when in fact, that is not the case."I don't beleive i ever said that."We however have enough sense to realize that rich people are not some sort of evil 1% who take hoard all the wealth and put those who wish to rise in stature down."No that pretty much exactly what they do, i mean you can still rise in stature, you can really get rich, but it is a imposibility for the overwhelming majority of soceity(~99%). The top 1% now control 40% of the countries wealth, i remember saying the same thing on this site nearly two years ago, and since then a revolution has occured.The top 10% control 90% of the wealth, this was not the case just 30yrs ago, the fact fact that the system quite openly favours the rich (leaving aside the facism of bailing out too big to fails). If you're not annoyed about that then you must think it's all just some big accident, and coincidence, and the rich never had any intention of foing what they did, if that's what you think then im sorry my friend but you're an idiot. If you are too blind to see you are being screwed out of your brith right then there's no point in us continuing this conversation."It is simply not the case I and I am growing really tired of your ridiculous anti-western (particularly towards the US) sentiment"First of all there's nothing ridiculous about anything i say, if you think it's false tell me why, ive never fabricated anything ive posted on this site so to call opinions based on factual evidence ridiculous only demonstrates the strength of your own confirmational bias.Secondly, i actually haven't been slandering america lately, if you doubt it go check my recent posts. Keep in mind that when i do slander the US, im not attacking its citizens, the US is not some abstract entitty in which an opinion about it's brutal terroristic foriegn policy represetns a personal attack on all it's inhabitants, but all too often that is how it has been perceived on this site. It seems that very few of you are willing to listen to criticism about your government, you simply don't want to know, you're happy living the dream that you're the real good good guys in the world, you know they call it the american dream cause you have to be asleep to beleive it;-)Also, how could you be growing tired of it, i don't think you've been on this site recently, have you?"your constant whining about our society when this entire conversation would not be possible without the US."Non-sequitur
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Sorry Garry... I know we've pretty much exhausted this debate between us but I thought you might find this helpful... maybe if you learn to speak OWS you can get it going in Ireland.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

The whole point is to make every decision democratic, and everyone repeating everything is to ensure everyone hears, and that they all speak with one voice.You may think this will come to nothing, and you might well be right, but i can tell you that this small protest that slowly gathering momentum is scaring a lot of people in poistion of power and authority in the US, they know that these could easily be the embers from which a blazing fire is ignited because they just how much the average guy in the US has been fucked, because they were the ones doing hte fucking. Now maybe you don't agree with that, and thats fair enough maybe it'll take you or someone close to you being on the end of it before you will change your tune, but i can assure you for every person protesting on the streets there are thousands behind him to want to protest, and if they surface then a real revolution will be underway.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Haha! This won't last because these kooks don't even know what they want... they don't have a message. But it is fun to watch. They interview a protester on the news last night and he said he quit his job to go protest! Bwhahaha!
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Im glad you find it so funny, i wonder will it still be funny when the movement starts to gather real momentum.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Haha! No... then it will just be pathetic.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"then it will just be pathetic"Fair enough keep laughing something very historic could be happening right before your eyes but you've clearly aready made up your mind on what you think its all about.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Well, like I said... Europe is in worse shape... if you think this hippie movement is so damn important then get out in the streets and start smashing in windows.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

The point is..... that this group of people is not making any statement...but to show the ugly side, the filthy side of America. They have no message. They are people who are unmotivated who quit their jobs to go protest...who shit in the streets, have open sex on the benches...of a public park. They are trying to relive the 60's ...thats all they are trying to do. There are a lot of people getting screwed in America. To blame Wall Street totally is wrong. It starts at the TOP...........so who is in charge you tell me?There are thousands alright...who are embarrassed that these people call themselves Americans. You can protest.....you can be heard.......but to do it this way.....Democracy, does it also include actions that are degrading that are actually illegal? We need a revolution alright. We need to round up EVERY illegal in this country and send them home. We need to take care of our own not reward lawbreakers by giving them free housing, medical and college grants and scholarships. We need to start drilling for oil.........
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"They have no message"Yes they do actually, in fact this CBS article was wrtten about it, its entitled occupy wallstreet protestors have a message i.e.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/ap/business/main20120662.shtml "They are people who are unmotivated who quit their jobs to go protest"Yes thats it tar them all with your bigoted brush."who shit in the streets"Yep they're animals, i saw two males throwing faeces at each other on the news there yesterday, then one of them pinned the other down and smeared his racid feaces onto his face and into his mouth, i was weirdly turned on by the whole escapade:O"have open sex on the benches"Yep massive orgies going on all over New York, the stink of semen is putrid."They are trying to relive the 60's "Yep thats whats on their placards alright, nothing to with the current economic situation and how their capitalist masters have fuckined them up the ass with a 20 inch dick, oh wait you agree with me i.e. "There are a lot of people getting screwed in America"" To blame Wall Street totally is wrong"Really? How so?"There are thousands alright...who are embarrassed that these people call themselves Americans"Id be proud of them if i was american." does it also include actions that are degrading that are actually illegal"I don't what they are doing thats so illegal, i heard they wre brutalised by the police alright but they've been completely peaceful and haven't broken any laws, expcet maybe your laws on what you beleive people should and shouldn't be allowed do."We need to round up EVERY illegal in this country and send them home."I didn't know you were a native american, finally trying to rid yourself of those fucking imperialist europeans that invaded your land nearly three hundred years ago."We need to take care of our own not reward lawbreakers by giving them free housing, medical and college grants and scholarships. We need to start drilling for oil........."I don't why i even respond to people like you, actually i do, im stuck in college and its easy to procrastinate this way.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Funny how you're always telling us that our media is lying to us... then you turn around and post a link to CBS News! Bwhahah!
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

No theres no hypocrsy there actually despite what you're trying to insinuate, i look at the american mainstream all the time it doesn't mean i trust them but fair enough thats a reasonably valid criticism, heres a muich more realiable source, i stand by this source its not perfect but it makes american mainstream media look cartoonish as it actually tells the truth.http://www.democracynow.org/
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

So what? They like walking around in their own urine and excrement... that has nothing to do with their lack of a unified message.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Your in college?Studying what? Gosh I can only imagine........Probably majoring in How to Hate and Bring down America. You are nothing but a hater.Heck you're to young to know what is going on. You tell someone on here that they are too young to know God.....and yet you at college age have the world figured out.No wonder your on this site 24-7....nothing better to do with your time.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"Your in college?"Yes i am, and its "you're" (even though i never spell check either so its fairly hypocritical of me to be pionting out errors to you)."Studying what?"Masters degree in sustainable energy engineering. I finished my undergrad just a year ago, i majored in chemical and biopharmaceutical engineering, the degree was the best engineering degree the college offered, so much so that it is recognised as masters, so this will be my second masters degree."Gosh I can only imagine"No need to imagine i just told you."Probably majoring in How to Hate and Bring down America."No you're doing a fine job of that all on your own.". You are nothing but a hater"Its funny how you can only consider your own failure to keep the hatred out of your heart a failure of the world. You are projecting your hate onto me, while i admit i a bitterly cynical person with little respect for the human race as a whole, i am not a hatefilled person, and i wuld never let the feelings i have about my species affect how i treat an individual of my species. You are externalising your own hate, and consequently, not realising how hate filled you really are."You tell someone on here that they are too young to know God"I never said that, please if you are going to quote me do me the courtesy of quoting me directly, then you can give your interpretation of it if you like but what you have done there is simply put words in my mouth, i never said such a thing, and whats more i don't actually beleive you can be too young to experience God(or the Universe as i like to call it)."and yet you at college age have the world figured out."No actually i really don't, i don't anything, im sorry if i give the impression that i think i know everything."No wonder your on this site 24-7....nothing better to do with your time"Actually you got it all wrong, and if you just keep posting on this site you'll notive me not posting anymore after December once i have finished college.