azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

My god, this is a loaded debate. No it doesn't hurt a damn soul but one's own to watch it. You need to keep the legal definition in mind though. Mr.Manhattan, a 17.9999 year old naked girl is a child legally. Would you murder me if I told you I had sex with a 17 year old girl? I saw her naked. What if the legal system chose to lower the age to 16? Some of these depraved cockroaches are now just normal citizens again? What if pedophiles really can't help themselves, what if that's the only sexual interest they have? The viewing of child pornography seems to me to be a deterrent. If one has an outlet, they may make use of it. Also, I can't imagine that all pedophiles are drooling dangers to the playgrounds. They're humans with an abnormality. I would think that many of them (viewers, not uploader those people are disturbed) even have a deep self-loathing. If I was a pedophile I would be scared for my life I think. If all the child porn was magically taken away, would we have pedophiles? Most likely. What venue would they have to express their sexual urges? Just one. I don't have an answer for the uploading part, it's a supply and demand situation, but logistically, one video per 1000 pedophiles seems better than 1000 children.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Well said. it's tough to defend these sick fucks, but we have to look at it open minded.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Agreed, I feel we need to approach every situation with an open mind. I'm not willing to look at any human as a "sick fuck" though. Most of these people were themselves abused. It's not a demonic possession, it's a cycle of abuse. Much like physical and emotional, if people don't work through the hurt, they develop other coping mechanisms. Children may get beaten, grow up and in turn, beat their own children. To demonize one link of the chain is ludicrous. Not only does it stop humanity from understanding the dynamics fully, but it allows intolerance to breed in the form of "I'll pulverize 'em, I'll mertilize 'em" gun-toting and absurd (yet somehow accepted) arguments when debate ensues. I will divulge that I have been a victim of the three abuses mentioned above and what I can say with certainty, the sexual abuse does not eclipse the emotional abuse I received.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

That is exactly why they are "sick fucks" if you know how you felt being molested, how fucking dazre you put another child through such a thing. But, how fucking often to people think like that, these people are selfish, and are the reason there are so nay crazies in this world.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

If that individual went through the pains of molestation, and dregradation. Why then would they want to subject others to that pain? So in other words they are selfish, careless, and evil "SICK FUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: Yes

I dont want to discuss it any further , how i feel about this,but i do think i was a bit harsh at you. So pyg , i just want to say sorry.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

A way to put it is that dont rapist watch women before they attack them. Dont many serial killers start by killing animals. Pedophiles are dirty people waiting with their hands down their pants for the right moment to strike. How many serial killers have shown remorse? pedophiles spend more time oggling children than they do asking moral questions.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

You are amusing to say the least, and are very clinical and cynical in your thinking. I very rarely show emotion (even through excessive exclamation marks) but i'm afraid that this is too close to home. It's easy to say things about something when you prefer to remain ignorant. You take things literally, if you had a creative mind or could see the irony in my statements then you would have the right to criticize the way i feel. You are just another of our countries uncaring bastards (ahhh, white people). And you cant sugar coat something if you're speaking plainly, and i can assure you i was writing as plainly as possible, sorry if you simple-minded people find it hard to comprehend. You really have me laughing, must have taken you a while to write all of that... and y i'm no advocate for some cause. your blatant Ignorance is insanity because you choose to dislocate yourself from reality, and you prefer ignorance to truth and common sense. So, you are hereby labled as insane. How can heartless people like you sleep at night, when so many children are being degraded. You also try to play the boo-hoo game at the end you're not the only one you dumb-fuck. and you justifying and condoning it shows who you are. "I have witnessed it first hand" same here, you idiot. question is did you do it, or was it done to you.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

I can write down a bunch of questions to ask you, or do some deep philosophical writing, or cry and whine about the bullshit you keep writing. But, I'll simply say you make no sense. To say that you are trying to make a citizens arrest by appearing to be okay with pedophiles is crazy. Standing up for righteousness has no conditions, you either do or you don't. To question the truth behind my words shows how heartless you are. And by cynical, i mean that you are cynical about my motives. For your info. that is another meaning of cynical copy and pasted right here "1. Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others" So looks like someone is showing only what they want others to see. For some reason you seem to think i am an advocate for a cause, that i simply speak for children that cant speak up for themselves (i do), and i speak for myself. You judge to harshly a person you know nothing about, because you debate with me doesn't mean you automatically know me.And you gave no credit to what i wrote at the bottom "Were you the one that did it, or was it done to you?" You seem to hold pedophiles close to your heart, you have a sort of comradeship. And being a child is also defined as lacking maturity, and your little outburst at the end shows your lack of maturity.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

"You judge to harshly a person you know nothing about, because you debate with me doesn't mean you automatically know me." I believe you do the same yourself. And as Ama_Deviant said, her argument is the only one that comes from education and experience, whereas your argument speaks of no truth other than hurt, and wanting to get these "sick fucks". This is a basic reaction of a basic human, if you were to heed Ama's words and look into the realm of Psychology you'd find a lot of arguments for and against your thoughts, and with the education of those which are against you you will grow to understand humanity, and the fact that paedophiles are naturally occurring but shouting and screaming abuse at them does nothing. As Albert Einstein said: “You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it. You must learn to see the world anew.” Try educating yourself in the area of paedophilia (from the paephiles point of view as well as the child's). Then with an open-mind you will be able to come back and argue a point that makes sense from an educated perspective. My main problem with paedophilia is that I also don't understand how someone who (for the most part) has experienced child sexual abuse would be able to go on to do something so horrific to another child, and in fact the majority of those who do suffer from CSA have an fear of children, and going near them in case they DO inflict pain on them (if you look up on the internet I'm sure you can find numerous psychological studies on the typologies of CSAs, explaining the different reasons for why they are the way they are). However, it is understandable that if you have grown up only knowing that your mother or father abused you, then it would be a natural conclusion that this secret molesting is what human beings do. And sometimes even education in this isn't enough to change the opinion as by that time the psychological stigma with children is set. Another reason why the molested molest is due to loneliness and social exclusion (experienced because of the CSA), where they see the only person they can TRUST is another child. There is no way that an adult - someone capable of doing something like that to you as a child - could possibly be someone you could care about and love. It isn't true that ALL paedophiles prey on children because they are weak and unable to make decisions for themselves. (this is in addition to #3 on Ama's big post.)Anyway, I'm just saying, your argument lacks the evidence needed to put forward your point accordingly. Do some research, then make your point, instead of aggressively jumping to conclusions.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

You dont need to simply cuss to be disdainful toward someone, and i read your disdain clearly. And you are full of it, you are trying to appease the child you seem to think i am by writing this nonsense. And by righteousness i mean standing up for what is right, and you cant say you're okay with pedophiles and then say you are standing up for something. And when i put that you seem to think that i am standing up for a cause, i am saying you were correct. By scrutinizing everything i wrote, it shows that you really dont care about what you yourself have to say. I dont care about you reading back everything i wrote, that gives me little insight on your opinion, except it shows me that you put yourself on a pedestal. You try to put me down with your SUPPOSED superior intelect. instead of telling me something i dont know, you analyze my grammar and proper word usage. Get over yourself.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

I must say that I never felt more like cheering than when I read your argument. I want to know one thing, though. Are you condoning or condemning these bastards? I believe that while you are trying to defend them, you are also condemning them. I agree that there are many odd paraphilias such as zoophilia and podophilia, but the thing about pedophilia is that it affects the child, not just a foot (slight attempt at humour). How did you get over it? I've never really had anything bad happen to me, but when I go through such a scenario I believe that I would attempt to use logic to organize my mixed feelings and fears. From your picture I'd say that you are in your twenties, these abuses could have happened in the last twenty years, either before or after you were capable of understanding the power of logical thinking.Your arguments are so compelling that I find it hard to disagree with you and I beg you to never stop using this site.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

First, I haven't found any direct mention of myself, just the alluding to other disorders, that I touched on, so I hope I'm not out of place accepting this as directed at me given the subject matter seems to be praise and I'm not easily accepting of it.I haven't used this argument yet, (it will become apparent why in a second), but I want to say that I don't condone pedophilia. I'm aroused by women between the ages of ~17-35. I require two things. 1) Intellect far beyond that of a child's as I want my sexual encounters to be a shared moment that is extremely special to my partner and myself. 2) Matured genitalia. (It arouses me to know that I'm pleasuring the girl I'm with) which is impossible in pre-pubescent girls. That was my attempt at securing my non-pedophile status.(Also I should note that, in Canada the age of consent is 16, but even with 17 year olds I'm wary of the word that would spread so in my adult life I have abstained from girls under 18 even though it's not illegal.)So on to my argument. Terminator, I will assume that I have earned at least a shred of credibility with my posts thus far. However you view me, if I told you that I was turned on by children, but was disgusted at the idea of hurting a child, so as a solution I downloaded child porn, how would you view me? Would the arguments I've made change or become less valuable? Would I be less intelligent or less worthy of life as a human being? If I was mortified by my sexual impulses and cursed heaven for putting me in this situation, would I be a bastard that deserved to die? I live my life according to the golden rule. I will never stray from it, even if at times it leads me into trouble, like returning fire when fired at....by fire :)You're right, this one is odd in that it involves children, I would never equate them fully, just analyze them as sexual interests that may share commonalities in terms of how they develop, are realized, and carried out.As to how I got over it, I don't know. My life is a riddle that I blocked out. I have 5 cigarette burn scars on my chest and I have no idea how they got there. I haven't been successful in hypnotherapy, I really have no answers. It's undoubtable at this point that logic drives my life, I apply logic to everything pushing me into a cold and calculated view of reality. In the hypothetical situation that I was placed in front of two buttons and at gunpoint was made to press one, one triggering the death of 100 and the triggering the death of 1000, I wouldn't hesitate to press the first. It's this cold reality that affords me the insight into situations normally hazed by emotion. I never smile....P.S. Thank you for your comment I'm honored to hear something like that, it's probably the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Heh, If you think child porn is disgusting and the people viewing it are then what's your preference? There's old person porn, dead person, transgender, milf, animal, hairy man, fat man, muscle man and the list goes on. No if child pornography viewing were to be legal that would hurt anybody. After all it's a matter of preference.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Strictly the VIEWING does not hurt anyone. But I do not support it. The creating however, very rarely doesn't hurt someone.Unless of course the viewer is under a condition where it could harm them (e.g under age / mental illness)
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

Really? I gather you'll allow your children to be used for the creation of these movies and will just say that it's OK since those VIEWING it aren't causing harm?It's obvious that you don't have children nor an IQ above 70. Your critical thinking skills are so lacking it's scary. If someone views such horrific deeds, that's indicative of someone who condones such horrific deeds. I gather that didn't fire between the lack of axons and dendrons you claim to have?
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Why bring up the "creation" of these movies? The subject is not on creation, it's on viewing.The creation surely hurts children, since they are being raped.The simple question is on whether VIEWING hurts anyone?
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

What a simplistic and shortsighted argument. Does viewing videos of people being hacked to death hurt anyone? Obviously simply viewing said material doesn't physically hurt anyone. However, those being hacked to death might have a different viewpoint. Does viewing videos of puppies and kittens being thrown into a chipper/shredder hurt anyone? Of course nobody is hurt simply by viewing the videos.You can't base a debate on a simple point when the premise is flawed to begin with.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

The premise isn't flawed, it's simply put. If you have a problem with the question, you don't have to answer it.And no, watching snuff films or animal abuse films does not hurt anyone either. If you wish to make this a moral argument, by all means, start a new topic. But this is not an argument on morals, this is an argument on what we can prove. What we can prove is that VIEWING a video, no matter what's on it (unless it's The Ring or Videodrome, of course) does not hurt anyone.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

On the contrary, according to Canadian law Child Porn doesn't even have to involve a real child. Imagined depictions in writings, sculptures, or pictures drawn (Example: lolicon anime) doesn't even hurt a real physical being nor does it have too. Questioning one's IQ certainly doesn't seem fair when your own is questionable. I choose the side of No strictly because Canadian law (for I am Canadian) persists on making the mind Illegal in this case causing a great outlet for these people to enjoy renditions of children while respectably not harming one. It takes away from artistic freedom. However, I think this "simulated child porn" is just a clever lingual device to demonize this part of the spectrum. While porn of real children is wrong and disgusting the erotica side of it (Simulated child porn) may be more acceptable in terms of giving the deterrent and a place to go because I think not all pedophiles (which by the way is a faulty word in itself for it's literal definition mirrors homosexual and is another lingual faculty of demonization) lack respect for children and if it was societal acceptable to view information without being scrutinized we may have a healthier community as a whole instead of saying these people need to be murdered and automatically thinking all child porn involves real children.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: yes

What are you talking about some 17 year old raised to be a dirty ho, or an eight year old filmed by their dirty uncle Rick in the basement. Really you are contradicting yourself by saying you dont support it, yet no one is hurt by it.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

The VIEWING alone of child pornography does not affect anyone but the person viewing it. It isn't like the child gets a notification "Hey, a pervert is jerking off to you!". As long as the picture or video isn't shared, than it is ok.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Since Fire took the liberty to down vote everyone one of my arguments, I've taken the liberty to expose him/her for it.so here it is.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Making child porn usually does hurt people, yes. Viewing it on the other hand, no it doesn't hurt a soul. In saying that, it could indirectly hurt somebody over time; you could be sent to jail for viewing the material which could in turn break up families, relationships, ect. But if somebody were to go onto the internet and download a file filled with pictures of child porn right now it would not hurt anybody, or at least right away anyway. I'm sure that the child involved won't give a shit if someone random on the internet downloads it, but they obviously would give a shit that they even took part in it in the first place. I don't condone child pornography in any way, shape or form; but if someone views it I don't think they should be hated upon by everybody, most of the time they can't help who they are attracted to, in the same way homosexuals can't help who they are attracted to, you need to remember that it wasn't long ago that you could marry a 13 year old and consent to sex with them. My point is that times change, and people change, so in time child porn may become wildly socially acceptable. At the moment though, no it isn't so obviously people are going to call it 'evil' and 'immoral'. But I would like to make myself clear that I find the very idea of child porn absolutely revolting. Viewing child porn does not hurt anybody right away, but it could over time. I suppose my argument could be more in favor of the "YES" side, but I am adamant that it doesn't hurt anybody.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Making it hurts people, but viewing it? Not so much. Back in high school I use to watch clips of people getting brutally murdered or torn apart in 3rd world nations on gore sites out of curiosity. Does that make me a murderer? No. Does that mean I support murder? No. It just means I watched someone get killed on a web site. That's it. I didn't take part in it, I just watched it. Of course it be a different story if I was actually there. If I was there, and just sat down and watched it happen, then I would be just as guilty as murder for not trying to stop it.Update: I should also put this out there. In no way, shape, or form, do I support pedophilia. If someone is found looking at child porn, while I don't think they should go to jail, I do think they should be given psychological help.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: Yes

You watched a guy get murdered, why aren't you in a mental hospital now? Enjoying a video is not a reason to get mental help nor a reason to go to jail. I believe my opinion is needed here as I will admit here that I am by definition a pedophile, which means "sexually attracted to childen" and not "child molesting rapist that will sexually abuse any child he is alone with." Now here's a few things about me to help the debate: I don't sit at a playground to watch kids, I am attracted to women my age and have a healthy relationship with my girlfriend, and I watch animated child porn as I don't want a child to be harmed in the making of real porn.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

Having an obsession with animated porn isn't as awful because it doesn't help the trafficking industry. That still doesn't mean that it's okay to watch it. I'm going to try (probably in vain) to give you an understanding of why it isn't okay: When you watch characters, they're not real. But the emotions being portrayed are the emotions of a human. Not the emotions of a fish or a water bottle. Someone was truly trying to put the real emotions of a real person into that character. So all those reactions and facial expressions you're watching... they're a depiction of a real person and how that person would act. If child in that animated pornography is acting shy or sad or hurt or scared, then they're showing that another human would react as such to this. Meaning that another person would be pained by this, meaning that what you're enjoying is a depiction of someone's pain and all the painful memories that will follow that person throughout their life. If the child in that pornography is acting almost like a grown woman who is "coming onto" the adult, that's even more awful. That depiction is insinuating that it's the child's fault. It's saying that the child wanted it, that the child asked for it, the the child was the one who was responsible for this and not the adult. Society should never excuse an adult, who children are always taught is supposed to be trustworthy and smarter, because a child (who isn't mentally mature enough to comprehend that situation) "started it." Depicting the child as being at fault is absolutely the most horrendous thing anyone could ever possibly imply in animated porn. So, since all porn depicts real humans with real emotions and even sends specific messages to the viewer about those types of humans, I don't believe that animated child porn is okay either.
Debate: Does the VIEWING of Child Pornography hurt anyone?
Side: No

I agree with you, however watching a murder is the same thing as watching child porn. I frequently watch murder or killings/beheadings online. This never hurt anyone and does not re victimize the victim. It's impossible to revictimize a victim in this way. These are just renditions of Different vibratory information however, the deed is technically the same. so I have to support the no factor in conjunction with you.