azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You subscribe to a Christian godI've never used that fact to argue for the existence of God. In fact, I've stated many times that a belief in God needs no subscription to any religion whatsoever. You're the one who can't get your head around that notion. So because you can't seem to understand that, you've gone down the wrong path to argue against my position! Please go back a few hundred steps: I believe in God, the being that created matter and order. God is beyond matter and the laws that apply to us so God can't be sensed and thus is beyond our proof. Period. If you assert that matter has always been there, you'll need to provide proof (because that's a positive claim).If you assert that the laws and order that govern the universe have always been there, you'll need to provide proof for that also.Some people here said they know horses exist because they see it in a child's face, or feel it in their heartsThat's their claim and not mine. I'll leave it up to them to argue their point. I've made the mistake of taking up someone else's position a couple of times and I don't like it.... you didn't provide your photograph or video of godWhat part of "beyond our senses and the laws that apply to us" do you have trouble with?I've linked leprechauns to order and matter, because they must explain how matter got here. Therefore they exist.Ummm... look up the dictionary definitions of leprechaun. Better yet, go to wikipedia.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"I've never used that fact to argue for the existence of God. In fact, I've stated many times that a belief in God needs no subscription to any religion whatsoever. You're the one who can't get your head around that notion. So because you can't seem to understand that, you've gone down the wrong path to argue against my position!"God is a strictly religious concept. It is important to distinguish your god, the Christian one, because there are traits you assign to it that only apply to your god. There is no secular god to argue against, by definition."Please go back a few hundred steps: I believe in God, the being that created matter and order. God is beyond matter and the laws that apply to us so God can't be sensed and thus is beyond our proof. Period. "Sentence number one is an assertion you have yet to provide any sort of case for.Sentence number two defines god in such a way that the concept is meaningless, and in the realm of the toothfairy and santa.Actually all you really just said was "I believe in god, he created the universe, and I don't got to prove nothin' so meh "Good luck with that.If you assert that matter has always been there, you'll need to provide proof (because that's a positive claim).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics If you assert that the laws and order that govern the universe have always been there, you'll need to provide proof for that also.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_cosmology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_unified_theory "What part of "beyond our senses and the laws that apply to us" do you have trouble with?"So I'll just sum up your entire argument for the past couple days:"God exists. I don't know how or why because I can't know anything about god because god is completely undetectable and may as well just be a thought in my head. But you're all completely stupid for not believing in god and using science to understand how the universe got this way, and how order comes from chaos.""Ummm... look up the dictionary definitions of leprechaun. Better yet, go to wikipedia."Leprechauns, god, same difference. All fantasy.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

God is a strictly religious conceptAgain, you're wrong and i've given you the link to the dictionary definition of God that said nothing about religion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics This article has 9 occurrences of the word "matter", none of which supports your claim that matter has always been there.Big Bang and Grand Unified TheoryCan you tell me which part of these theories explains how things behave in the universe? Why is there a force called gravity? Why does gravity affect things the way it does? Why does everything work the way it does? Why isn't there complete chaos and randomness? Complete chaos and randomness is what happens if there's no designer.Leprechauns, god, same difference. All fantasyNope, God created the universe. Leprechaun is Irish mythology and is as real as Santa Claus, Jesus and Muhammad or whatever.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Again, you're wrong and i've given you the link to the dictionary definition of God that said nothing about religion.No, I gave you the dictionary links to god and religion and dogma.But if you truly are this slow, read a dictionary:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReligionDenial doesn't change fact.This article has 9 occurrences of the word "matter", none of which supports your claim that matter has always been there.I didn't ask you to report the number of times "matter" occurred. I gave you the link so you would read it, specifically the information on symmetries and the laws of thermodynamics.Can you tell me which part of these theories explains how things behave in the universe? Why is there a force called gravity? Why does gravity affect things the way it does? Why does everything work the way it does? Why isn't there complete chaos and randomness? Complete chaos and randomness is what happens if there's no designer.Read them all. That's your answer. All you're saying is "I don't know this. I don't know that. I don't this. Ergo god."Nope, God created the universe. Leprechaun is Irish mythology and is as real as Santa Claus, Jesus and Muhammad or whatever.Leprechauns cannot be detected, they are magic. God cannot be detected. Magic. There is no difference between them except the stories you tell about them.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

But if you truly are this slow, read a dictionary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion. Denial doesn't change factLook up God. Don't look up religion. I don't care about relition. I didn't use any religion to back up my claims of God's existence. I didn't ask you to report the number of times "matter" occurred. I gave you the link so you would read it, specifically the information on symmetries and the laws of thermodynamics.I didn't ask you to give me links to an article about the studies of heat. I asked you to prove that matter had always existed. Why don't you start with the Big Bang and go further back before that time: What was the mass that was to explode into a Big Bang made of? How did it get there? Why did it explode? When you do eventually come up with all the theories that tie these together, why don't you also look and see if any of them can be proven, or are they simply scientific theories that are completely open to be disproved by the theories of others. I'm going to take a wild bet and say that you can't prove matter had always existed. What a shame, because the entire world sure would like to know.Read them all. That's your answer. All you're saying is "I don't know this. I don't know that. I don't this. Ergo godJust like you pal, but more logical: You read all these things and understand them and say "Oh, I know how it works now, it must have designed and made itself". I read and understand all these things and say "Cool, the designer of this thing is awesome!"Leprechauns cannot be detected, they are magic. God cannot be detected. Magic. There is no difference between them except the stories you tell about themLet's look at the stories then, maker of the universe VS little Irish troll.... One can be proved/disproved easily, the other is still a great mystery to all. Don't get carried away with the Christian God or the Muslim God or any other God... just the God concept.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Shame the other guy gave up. I'll give it a crack.What was the mass that was to explode into a Big Bang made of?Hydrogen, Lithium and Helium. Even the most basic of definitions would tell you that.How did it get there?That was the only place for it to be. It wasn't just created form nothing by God, because as you have said, nothing can come from nothing, therefore it was always there, since the beginning of time. Time, by definition, has always existed, thus so has the matter.Why did it explode?Common misconception, there was no explosion, merely expansion. A bang is not an explosion, but a sound. There was a sound, because 1% of the static in radios / television is actually the residual sound from the big bang, as observed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson in 1965. Not incidentally, the term 'Big Bang' was created by a cosmologist called Fred Hoyle as a way of belittling the theory, as he did not agree with it.I read and understand all these things and say "Cool, the designer of this thing is awesome!"Actually, that suggests that you do not understand them.One can be proved/disproved easily, the other is still a great mystery to all.Go on then, disprove the existence of leprechauns without using the term 'no evidence'.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Since all your other arguments have been dealt with one way or another, I'll go on with the disproving of leprechauns:Earliest known reference to leprechauns was in a fictional medieval tale Echtra Fergus mac Léti (English: Adventure of Fergus son of Léti).Anything else you want me to disprove about leprechauns? Mention them here and I'll gladly oblige.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

'I mean at least religious nuts have an imagination!'Precisely my point. Things you imagine are imaginary. I often wonder what it would be like to bang Angelina Jolie, but it hasn't happened yet.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I'm just gonna go ahead and quote one of the biggest scientists, see if you know who it is:“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”Your trouble is you haven't done anything towards that goal of bangin' Angelina... perhaps you oughta stalk her to begin with .... muhahahaha
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Albert Einstein, who also suggested that time-travel is somehow a by-product of speed, which is ridiculous horseshit. Time-travel is impossible, as time is just a measurement, like an inch. Besides, you are quoting a scientist who did not believe in God. You can't cherry-pick his beliefs to suit a viewpoint he disagreed with.Now, if imagining something somehow makes it real, then I don't have to do anything towards doing A.J, as by that logic it has already happened, which it hasn't. I don't even care, it was just an example.So if you're done quoting Atheists to support the existence of God, can we get back to you explaining why the God you made up is real?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I didn't say Einstein believed in God or not, I quoted something he said about having an imagination, which you tried to discredit. About A.J, if your imagination about bangin' her is strong enough, you'd actually do something about that (just don't go doing something illegal though)... People who believe in God's existence include those in the fields of sciences and everything else. They strive to understand God's work in the universe and get as close to God as possible... who knows, one day we'll all reach that goal.can we get back to you explaining why the God you made up is real?When you say "real" do you mean like made of matter and things like that? Because if God isn't made of matter or God is something we can not sense, how can I use my human abilities to convince another human? God is real because of the order in the universe. The universe is completely void of chaos. There is a constant, rule of behavior for everything.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

No. If you look throughout history, people have believed in gods for a VERY long time. For example the ancient Greeks believed in a series of gods which we now call myths. These myths were created to give answers to some of the worlds mysteries. I personally believe that our modern God was created for the same reason.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Is it just me or is the opposition ( with the occasional exception of NVYN ) just trying to prove that God(s) exists by simply saying 'Of course he exists, how can you possibly say he doesn't?Some quotes:'HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.If you'd understood his presence like I had you wouldn't even dare to make such ignorant statements.' -Kinda'Yeah only one God is real if you real the bible that is all you need to know that he is real because he created the world if you are a Christian and if you don't believe what I am saying just keep listing to other mens theory's.' -silaswash 'ONE God exists for sure. BUT, there are no other GOds. My precious Heavenly Father is soooo real and has changed my life. I am on this earth to serve HIM. All other gods such as Allah, Budda, and every thing else is just a chunk of metal or gold or whatever it is. They can't think talk, incourage, Love, punish or anything. MY God is deferent. He is all of those. He lives and HE lives in my heart.' -akcamogirl'Yes god exists. I wasn't sure for a long time but I know that god is real. I have felt the spirit of GOD!' -natycuevasYou see? Those were whole 'arguments'.See, I can do it too:My God exists for sure, because I have imagined him and then felt his presence. All other Gods are made up, because people just imagined them and then said they felt their presence. Statements prove nothing, and if people don't understand that, then why did they join CB?Granted, however, both sides are guilty of this.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Yeah, some people just need faith. They don't have much in terms of logic and with a topic that is so far from proof such as this one, faith is going to play a major role. I just wish people were more logical when showing faith...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

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Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

God is supernatural and supernatural beings do not exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You've defined God as supernatural. This is probably another debate. But I'm just gonna go ahead and say that God isn't supernatural and God exists.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

The debate is: Do gods exist? And my answer to this is that god is supernatural and nothing supernatural can exist in the natural world. Now why would i say that god is supernatural? Well it's because there are no evidence of his existence and if he did exist he would have go against nature and everything we know about the world.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Just because you don't understand something, don't just think of it as supernatural. Humans still don't understand lots of things, we only recently discover the existence of particles that make up electrons and protons. Those particles were not supernatural before we discover them, right?So just because you don't understand God doesn't mean God is supernatural and doesn't exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If I don't understand god then how can I believe that he exists? You can't believe that something exists before you have seen proof of it, that's just ridiculous!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I think RevKristine is the only worthy opponent in this debate.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If people had not been told as children that god existed, then no one would know god existed. You may say that some would still sense the presence of a greater supernatural force out there. That is because they created a being in their mind to blame for their problems or bring reason for things. That people say god exists is just a being created in someone's mind aeons ago and passed from generation to generation. How come so many people believed in god back then? Because most humans were looking for something or someone to blame.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You've made a few posts without actually making any new points. You keep saying that gods only exist in people's minds. That's not true because God exist in the evidence of his work all around us, because he created us and the universe, silly!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

There is no "evidence of his work around us". And ducky is right that indoctrination is the only thing that makes us believe in gods existence. God is a mythological beast that primitive human beings invented after thousands of years of trying to understand the world but not finding answers. Now when we do understand the world god is unnecessary, there is no room for god anymore.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Indoctrination is how people persuade others to believe in a specific god, it's not how people keep the idea of god alive. In the past, when there was no worldwide communications and tribes are isolated and so the idea of god can't just be radioed to others, people all over the world had already believed in gods. We choose to believe that someone created the universe and it didn't just happen all on its own. Nowadays, we study the universe and can explain how all the processes operate, but that doesn't exclude WHO made it all.You see a cake and you can explain how the cake became a cake from wheat and egg and yeast and sugar and whatever else you care to throw in there, but someone still had to bake the cake. Right?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Your theory falls because there are tribes that don't believe in gods and people don't get indoctrinated never start to believe in any god and stay atheists their whole lives. Humans haven't always believed in gods, it may have started with worshipping ancestors and then it grew to worshipping gods. I really don't understand where you get this "who" from, where is he? Why can't it be a what? why do you limit yourself to a who? Who created the year 2010?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Please go and read some of the arguments between RevKristine and I.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I believe that what modern and ancient humans think are gods are soime form of extra-terestrial. And because I don't feel like giving an example of my theory right now, just turn your television onto the history channel. If you watch for a consecutive 5 hour period chances are you will find on program about the ancient E.T. god theory.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

No, god(s) to not exsist! God is the only higher power that exsists. We do have proof and how would you be here if their were no God?? Do you believe in the Devil? Obviously there is evil on this earth therefor there is a Devil. There is also also good natured people which represents God in some way. Without God we would not exsist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

We do have proofUm, what proof? You people constantly say you have proof, but constantly fail to produce any.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Ever heard of Lucy? She recently has proved that we humans have evolved. Who knows, you many even be related to her.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

That's uncalled for. I am supporting the argument that gods do not exist. Read the entire argument I disputed, you moron.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

To the scientific world at the present day, no god does not exist. To the under educated people in society who can't accept the fact that life is not easy and that no there is no after life, this is all there is... By all means yes there is a strange man floating around in the sky protecting you and your family. You Moron.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

People who believe in God's existence include leading scientists. You tool.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

They are not real scientists mate you make me laugh like this xD
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

So they're fake scientists? Or are they scientists that don't work as hard as other scientists that don't believe in God? How do you define a "real" scientist?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

A scientist is someone who has a logical view on the world and believes things where there is physical evidence to support a theory. God does not come into this as that is a fairy tale i read when i was 5 and that belief is wrong.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I thought scientists were people who wore thick glasses, have no hair and wear a labcoat everywhere... hmmm gotta go check out that dictionary def., here it is: An expert in science. Couldn't agree more. Didn't say anything about whether they believe in God.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

An expert in science would believe there is no god however. Go home.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Except they actually do, so.... you go home :) .
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Can you name any scientists who believed in God? If so, can you name an important discovery that they made?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html#9sitw0uiasac This should make you a happy chappy, buddy.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

A design has a designer. A Creation has a Creator. I once painted a beautiful picture and if you ask whether the painter existed or not, it would be insult to me the painter.Second, we should try to know the purpose of our existence. Why Did God place us on the third planet from Mercury? Read this short article entitled "the purpose of life" here: http://extremelysmart.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/10/ Then you will realize that God exists and He has created us for a reason.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You are begging the question by calling it "design" and "creation" in the first place. And you define the purpose of your life, not some invisible magical super-being.Nice try though.(And if God placed us on the third planet from mercury we'd all by lifeless corpses on mars right now)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

We are actually the second planet from Mercury, after Venus. How can you comment on the creation of the universe when you do not even know the order of the solar system?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You don't need to know where the air filter is in your car to know that it was manufactured by Ford! It's called forget about the details.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Oh yes, let's 'forget about the details'! That is a sure way to find out the truth! Ignoring the facts and relying on superstitions! It's so clear now!Seriously, I will convert right now if, In your inevitable refutation of this argument, you can produce one piece of irrefutable evidence to support your theory.(And no snakes dropping leaves on statues, please.)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You've never been able to disprove God's existence, so that's you not being able to refute our claims of God's existence. If we use logic to say God exists and you can't use logic to refute that, it's pretty irrefutable to me!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

What logic have you used?'we can't just come from nothing'That is not logic, that is a statement born of ignorance of our beginning. No-one knows what happened back then, but that is no reason to jump to the conclusion that a god created everything. If the argument is that we couldn't come from nothing, then that logic extends to God. Where did he supposedly come from then? If he or they can have been here forever, according to your logic, then why does that not extend to the universe simply always having been here?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

If the argument is that we couldn't come from nothing, then that logic extends to God.Why must it extend to God? God is omnipresent, eternal and just plain mind-blowing! So no our rules don't extend to God, God created everything so he is beyond any rules we have.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Anyone can refute an argument by saying 'It's Magic!'. Your argument about the lack of chaos and the perfection of the rules and laws of physics reads like this:The presence of order and rules in the universe suggests that it was created by a celestial body that is subject to no rules.My argument:The presence of order and rules in the universe suggests that nothing can exist that is not subject to those rules.If I have misinterpreted your theory, then please explain it fully in your impending refutation of this argument.