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Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Hmmmm. I have put my views out there (made a stand). Maybe it's hard to distinguish when I'm kidding and when I'm being serious. Here's my position on the subject. I think that same sex couples should bypass th liberal right and secure civil unions because the rights afforded to married couples are more important than the word "married." Would you rather use the word "married" but not have any rights or have the rights but not the word? I know you want both but think about this. Demanding both has resulted in a backlash. The religious right was able to spend less and out organize the gay community in order to get proposition 8 passed. What does that tell you? It tells me that the religious right is deeply offended at the demands made by the gay community. The religious right feels (right or wrong) that the word belongs to them. The gay community has not understood this and has made matters worse by claiming that the religious right is hateful (I know because I've seen the bumper stickers). This is really strange because in poll after poll people seem OK with civil unions. It is as though the gay community is so focused on their goal that they fail to hear what the religious right is saying and when they do hear they (truly or intentionally) misunderstand the words and misrepresent them. The religious right is willing to give the gay community its rights....., but not the word. And all the litigation in the world will never force the majority of the religious right that are currently alive to accept gays as married. If anything, litigation will have an opposite effect.The gay community will eventually win this battle but (if they continue using the current approach) the damage done to the relationship between the two groups will suffer greatly. The gay community is alienating the religious right. I know that the gay community feels that they are the ones being alienated by the religious right. But think about this. How would you feel if some homeless guy came into your home and (not negotiated but) demanded a place to sleep? You have the room. You don't need it all at any given point in time. He will have all kinds of reasons why he should be allowed to sleep there. And if you refuse because it is your home and he shouldn't be making demands, he'll say that you're a hateful person.Don't bother answering because if there's anything I have learned is that you can't change a person's mind with just an argument. Just as you wont change mine. And since you have made it clear that friendship to you means that I have to (not only accept but actually) share your point of view, I accept your request to be enemies. I respect your point of view but I don't share it.One last thing. This is hokey, I know, but it does seem to make me feel better sometimes. Maybe it will make you feel better.God give me the strength to change the things I can,the patience to put it with the things I can't,and the wisdom to know the difference.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Well thanks for the advice straight boy but quite frankly, you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to gay rights, what we want or what we deserve as human beings. It's not the word they object to...it's the entire concept. Your analogy of the homeless guy needing a bed to sleep in is about as demented as you are. Joe, I don't give a twaddle if you agree with me on any issue but the one thing you're wrong about is that I ever expected you to share my views nor do I expect that from anyone here or in my life. That's not friendship, that's being a puppet at someone else's whim. Being a friend Joe means that one must choose words carefully when you know that the other person is offended or hurt by the subject matter. You don't make a joke about it, at the very least! Think about what I said on the debate when that person was looking for your retirement from this site. I said what I did because it was wrong and you were my ally even though I was still bruised from the last brouhaha regarding Repubgal. You were so busy trying to think of unfunny things to say you couldn't think for one moment that I may have needed some words of encouragement from you on that board! And another thing....you seem to think you have to accept MY decision to relegate you to the cheap seats and name you an enemy. I don't need your permission to do that and I don't care if you like it or not. And if you're going to quote the Serenity Prayer, why don't you try and get it right. Perhaps the real prayer will mean more than Joe's version of it. It goes like this Boffo:God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can and Wisdom to know the difference.I don't need to feel better but perhaps you do. I can only hope that someday you can comprehend its meaning.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"Think about what I said on the debate when that person was looking for your retirement from this site. I said what I did because it was wrong and you were my ally even though I was still bruised from the last brouhaha regarding Repubgal. You were so busy trying to think of unfunny things to say you couldn't think for one moment that I may have needed some words of encouragement from you on that board!"OK, look. I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you needed some words of encouragement from me or anyone. You and I are different in that I'm more callous. I didn't need for you to stick up for me and I never understood why you let Repubgal get to you. This fundamental difference is what makes us be at odds with each other.For what it's worth, I hope the gay community gets what they want. It doesn't affect me in any way shape or form. When proposition 8 passed and the facts came out (blacks voted overwhelmingly for it, the proponents spent less money and won, etc.) and after talking to people who had signs on their yard, I realized that this was an up hill battle and suggested by passing the religious right. But you're right. I'm a straight boy, as you so eloquently put it, and I guess I will never understand you or your plight. I thought my heart was in the right place; that I was lending a helping hand. But I guess none is wanted nor needed so deal with it on your own. I don't care.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

It's not hokey, Joe, it is a way of life! I also agree with the quote you posted and try, even though at times it is very hard, to live my life by it:"God give me the strength to change the things I can,the patience to put it with the things I can't,and the wisdom to know the difference."
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

You seem to think that only your vision of what this site should be is the valid vision. Only your vision of how votes should be used is the right one. And on top of all that you want to add even more rules like, you have to leave a reason explaining why they down voted you. That seems strange from someone who wants to be accepted. It's like you want to be accepted on your terms but you don't want to have to accept others on their terms. You want ot have your cake and eat it too. Human nature, I guess ;)BTW, if log on as downvote, you can down vote again ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

I accept at least 90% if not more of the people that contribute to this site. You just happen to be one of the three I do not accept anymore and that decision took me a while. My vision of what this site should be does not differ that much from what it is, however, when I do have a problem with something I bring it up and try to talk about it! And I'll bring it up again and again until I can get the attention of the powers that be. My vision of how votes should be used also doesn't differ that much from what was perceived as the correct way to use them, whether they be up or down. I don't have to have a complete reason for why someone up or down voted me or anyone else but down voting has been as huge issue for me since I'm the one who got hit. I certainly didn't notice anyone stepping up to say that was wrong before I made the accusatory debate. People can simply run in and out of debates, down vote someone they don't like and up vote those they do and that is not right! It renders the numbers meaningless. I also haven't heard any suggestions made to make the voting better for everyone!Accepted? Yes! Everyone wishes to be accepted on their own terms but if that means I must accept a person when they behave like a complete ass, that's not something I would do. If someone else has a problem with me they usually state it but I haven't heard much from anyone except the very young ones so what shall I think? There are plenty of people whose views I don't agree with but I accept them for who they are and how they are, generally speaking. The only thing I do not accept, across the board, are those that are ill mannered and can say nothing in defense of their own arguments other than to start the name calling or rag on the age routine. I don't wish to have my cake and eat it too and I do not understand why you would accuse me of wanting that. The only other thing I don't understand at all is your very last sentence; BTW, if log on as I down vote, you can down vote again ;) What does that mean?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"I don't have to have a complete reason for why someone up or down voted me or anyone else but down voting has been as huge issue for me since I'm the one who got hit. I certainly didn't notice anyone stepping up to say that was wrong before I made the accusatory debate." I was hit before but I don't care about the points so it doesn't come naturally to me to think that an adult would care about some lousy points. That's why I "didn't step up to say that it was wrong." But after the fact I tried to give you some of my points because I realized that they were important to you and they weren't important to me."People can simply run in and out of debates, down vote someone they don't like and up vote those they do and that is not right!"Yes, that's right and life is not fair. I learned that a long time ago. The difference is that I accept the fact that life is not fair and I learn the rules so that I can bend them. I don't try to change the rules. I guess that's what makes me conservative ;)"The only thing I do not accept, across the board, are those that are ill mannered and can say nothing in defense of their own arguments other than to start the name calling or rag on the age routine."You are the one that started with the name calling. I guess that's what makes you a liberal ;)"I don't wish to have my cake and eat it too and I do not understand why you would accuse me of wanting that."I said that because it appears to me that you are not interested in negotiating. It seems that when you feel that you are entitled to something to should just demand it and then you expect to get it. This is what I see happening between the religious right and the gay community. I tell you what I see because it may be of some value to you. I'm standing outside looking in. I have a different point of view. When two blind men try to describe an elephant to each other, and they are standing on the opposite end of the elephant, should one man discard the other man's point of view as wrong or should he consider what the other is telling him in order to come up with a more complete picture? Think about that for a moment because we are on different ends of the elephant and I'm just providing input from where I'm standing in the hopes that it is of some benefit to you. If it isn't, then I'll just STFU because I don't have a dog in this fight.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Do you expect me to believe that YOU don't care about points? YOU, who do everything in your power to collect them so that it's at the point of being ridiculous! You tried to give me your points? Yes, right....when you know darned well that cannot be done nor would I expect that of anyone and least of all you!I'm the one who started name calling? Please tell me you're joking! Outside of this argument between us, tell me who, what and where!I am always interested in negotiating with anyone who will listen. Successful negotiations need two people to want to resolve something. Who do you think straightened out the terrible incident with repubgal? Yes, you bet I'm entitled, just as everyone else is to be treated fairly and like a human being. Those are things I'll never give up on. I'll fight it for me and I'll fight it for you and anyone else. That's a matter of record on this site and in my life. I could hate you but still stand up for your right to be.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Are you going to leave me alone or what?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

When you stop writing to me I'll stop. I have no intention on answering you otherwise but I won't have you write garbage about me without defending myself.....So why don't you leave well enough alone and I'll have nothing to reply to. It's real simple!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Ah, OK, I get it..... you want to have the last word ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

It means that you can click where it says "Logon" and instead of using your user name and password you can use "[email protected]" for the user name and then use the password "createdebate" to down vote me again. It is an anonymous account that was created for people that wanted to down vote someone, tell them why they down voted and still remain anonymous. This information was on another debate. Since you are so intent on down voting me I figured I'd help you out.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Well thanks for the info...it sure is interesting that you would know that. I've voted you down a hundred times and all for the same reason. How many times do you wish me to repeat it?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Do it till your finger falls off for all I care ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

comedy is best in bad taste. the more people it offends, the better (unless it offends everyone but you).lighten up, it's the internetz, not C-SPAN.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Internet or not...This IS a DEBATE SITE and not a garbage pail! It certainly doesn't have to be C-SPAN but it would be nice if this site and the people who debate here were taken a bit more seriouly than this! This isn't open mike night at The Comedy Club...if it were, he'd lose.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

please, we all need people who can provide some witty comments. and yes, that was funny cause it kind of is true.if we stayed serious all the time, it wouldn't be that fun to come here as often.yes, i'll admit, 80% of the topics that Joe brings up is crap, but his replies are pretty funny and necessary.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Pyg if you think Joe's comment is kind of true, then I would suggest you use more lube ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

something like that has to be KIND OF true.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

OK, that made me lol. One up vote. ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

I'm yet to see any comedy from Joe.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I couldn't give you a high five so an up vote will have to do ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Ignore Kuklapolitan, Joe. Your argument was funny, though not quite up to par.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

FUCKIN' A MAN!!!! literally ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Another piece of brilliance from machonazi! That is now the counter to feminazi....what you call women!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

are you guys nazie? do you hate jewish people? ug taking up words la la la.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

That's funny. One up vote for you ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

A world without morals? Is this your great idea? Sexual deviants would thrive in this environment. Morality is a dimension of a human being which you must not ignore. Or is this your agenda? Neither the church nor America has the franchise on morality. Freedoms are always within boundaries.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I feel for you Timbo7834, but welcome to life as a human. I to have choice issues to resolve and intend to spend my entire life working on them. The other issue I ignore. Therefore it is clear that our views differ on what is choice?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

exactly my point - gays should be held accountable for their actions too... How's that for equality, eh?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

I am reassured that you will not produce genetic offspring - this is the last thing we need; One who claims to sit on the fence between religion and aberrant sexual lifestyles AND claims to be at peace up there...
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Since when did he intend to rid the world of morals? He is just reminding us that we shouldn't be intolerant assholes in a free county- when the thing we are discriminating doesn't affect us at all- so why should we care what they do in their homes?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Science prides itself on making observation and via extrapolation forming plausible conclusions. Crude as it may be, my conclusion of a world without morals does not seem so far-fetch when considering the exponential increase in challenges from contemporary moral reformer. What is the reason for this? People do not what to be viewed as immoral or unethical. I concern is what's next? Lowering the age of consent to 10yrs? Freedom to have relation with animals? Just based on observation of what moral and ethical standards are under attack, one can conclude eventually we (mankind) will be living in a world without morals.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

I concern is what's next? Lowering the age of consent to 10yrs?Nothing comes next.Science has observed homosexuality in over 800 species and counting. It is just a thing of nature that just occurs and it is completely harmless.So what if they are born with estrogen or testosterone imbalances, they are hardly different from us.Sadly, this society has this immature fear against them- no thanks to religion.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

My concern of what is next is a plausible question. This is obviously an emotive topic for you, but you need to do your research, especially on the age of consent. Yes, the number of species observed with homosexual tendencies is vast, but does this makes it moral, ethical or "completely harmless"? Who draws the line when it comes to patterning animal behaviour? Moralism and morality are opposites and thus there should be no confusion with each other. I am not homophobic but do have a phobia for lies being portrayed as truth, and I also have a plausible fear of the impact of these positions would have on your society. Heuristics as scepticism should not be a resting place for critical thinkers, hence considering the outcome (“what comes next”) of this revised moral position on your society should not be so offensive to you.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

When it is of two consenting adults, it is fine. When it involves children and adults- who are not fully developed, it is crossing a line. When it involves an animal- who is not as socially aware as a human, it is crossing a line. So basically, it should only be a consensual relationship between two developed beings.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

If you value tolerance and acceptance why not let m. jackson babysit for you sometime? Maybe we should be tolerant of Charles Manson or David Koresh or Hannibal Lechter??? Sheeesh, the lengths some folks go to, to simply say "I want to do it because I want to do it..." amazes me, truly
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Don't disrespect Michael Jackson; he was a great man who was abused in his childhood, and was further abused by the media; spreading nasty, outlandish rumors.Homosexuality is nothing like pedophillia or cannibalism; it is the consensual relationship between two developed adults who happen to be of the same sex. Cannibalism is an act of assault which really can hurt people, and pedophilla can destroy the lives of children who are not fully developed in maturity and sexuality. Literally hundreds of animal species have been observed to have homosexuals- which means it is a natural occurrence.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

You think allowing gays to marry constitutes a "world without morals?" And sexual deviation can be pretty fun in my experience, and i don't see anything immoral about it. Dont see your point.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

The definition of true freedom captures the essence of all contemporary debates. Whether we accept it or not, freedom has boundaries. Morality and ethic governs these boundaries. Thus, as knowledge increases, we venture beyond established limits. Understandably so, but as we enter the uncharted, morality and ethics must continue to govern us (they are the lamp to our feet). As a consequence this is where knowledge and wisdom diverge. Allowing Gays to marry is in my opinion the moral tipping point where all things deviant (which you love) would gain legitimacy. This is a knowledge driven venture only without understanding its ultimate impact on our society.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Why is it immoral or unethical for gays to marry? And am i right in saying that in your mind legitimizing gay marriage is equivalent to legitimizing rape, child porn, and sex with animals?And why do I love deviant sexual behavior? Perhaps we should define the term, because i know to many right wing Christians deviant sexual behavior means anything outside of missionary position for a few minutes before bed.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

That you operate outside social norms you are classified as a Deviant. Your anus or a plastic/steel/wooden rod is not a sexual organ; therefore using them in a sexual act should be considered abnormal, shouldn't it? Having anal sex is like trying to eat food with your eyes (it just was not design for that). The normal curve is used in all fields of studies to classify what is acceptable and what's not. It also determines when mechanical plants are to be changed, unearths systematic errors and blunders. Of special concern are systematic errors, which are frequently caused by miscalibration. This error in a system also produces normal curve, but skewed. Thus, shifting the goal post thereby making previously deviance behaviour acceptable. That’s why you (ChadOnSunday221) can no longer see that gay marriages are immoral and unethical; it was a slide of hands. Attempting to make us believe that homosexuality is an identity and not a choice was the tactical manoeuvre. Where will this post be in the future, who knows? Chad we may wake up one morning a discover that rape, child porn, sex with animals, lowered age of consent, etc. are now social norms.