Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Answer 1 - God? Your answer is a cop out, convenient answer, almost playing it safe - if there were such a thing. It's a response to a question that is answered without effort to seek an answer. Answer 2 - Jesus? Your answer lacks real consideration and thought. A forensic atheist decided to take the gospels and any other writings in and out of the Bible to find and expose lies, conspiracies, or whatever was at the bottom of this faith.Forensic pros look for the lies and inconsistencies in writings, they piece together lies, and conspiracies through comparing documents, writing styles, and types of phrases or words used, and in comparing records, but with a specific focus to find and point out any falsified information.A devout atheist, even raised as atheist, after looking at the gospels determined from the study, that without a doubt, the 4 gospels, are 4 individual writers, who all witnessed and recorded the same things as in a manner of one writing a truthful account by eye witness, and in clear consistet accounts from their personal experiences and memories.Not just 1 small chapter, these accounts are chapters long of their eyewitness accounts. Details so impressive, they couldnt forget. All the teachings and parables and miracles, they each saw and heard, and had witnessed themselves over a 3.5 year time period. The previous atheist forensic said, Even the inconsistencies that do exist in the writings are actually affirmative indicators of the accounts are legitimate truthful documentations.One example - Where one writer gives an account such as "the soldiers were slapping Jesus, saying tell us prophet, who just slapped you" one of the other gospel writers said the same exact story, but he added they blindfolded Jesus, and we're slapping Him, saying tell prophet who just slapped you"As a forensic, he said those types of inconsistencies are actually truth indicators. They are accidental confirmations that the authors are at the same event, explaining the same details, but from different prespective and personalities. The 4 gospels, even if they were written right next to each other, the forensic testimony would be a testimony establishing the writers were being truthful, and were not inventing conspiracies or lieing. But they werent even written next to each other, or even in the same years. Yet they all had the same experiences.The letters, and other historical findings from the time period, are all saying the same things, indisputable evidence, that would literally hold up in any of todays court trials as evidence of the truthful documentations of all 4 accounts.You would have to dismiss the evidence, as though it didn't exist and then literally decieve yourself to think he was merely just a charismatic man. You would have to dismiss Jesus and all the facts and accounts surrounding Him, and dismiss all the writers along with their detailed eye witness accounts, and dismiss either the courage or insanity of the early Church who faced extremes in persecution, and also all the others in every age that followed them to also face the same, and also dismiss all the prophets, and all their detailed writings that told of Jesus' coming! As far as through a Virgin, He is God!  ! Historians say according to all items and writings found, that Jesus truely DID live during the time followers said He lived, AND also He was Crucified. ! There was an intensity of unreasonable growth during extreme hostilities. ! Islam grew through its followers causing extremes to others and making converts by force, as those converted caved in easily under extremes of force, with numbers, and the force behind their movement gaining in strength! But that's not the case in the early Church of Jesus' followers. It's the opposite, they were non-violent passevist, and adversity began when they were small, yet they grew in numbers anyway! ! There were a large number of prophetic "future tellers" concerning a someone coming that looks just like the person Jesus, with details of events He would have actually HAD to be God to coordinate, unless the All the Pharisees, Pilot, and Herod also were in on the conspiracy!?!?! Faith in this charismatic but ordinary man grew so big in spite of extremes faced by everyday people in persecutions, that All of Time and All of History is defined by His Birth! A.D. and B.C. These where several over 4000 years. Who confirmed incredible details that they all got right. 100 % accuracy! If we had a psychic like that, she'd be rolling in dough in just a few short years, everyone would pay to know tomorrow, and a premium would be paid for such accuracy! 2nd You have the Eye Witnesses, If we take 4 conspirators, and they can be as smart as Harvard graduates, or as dumb as punks ... With interagationd and investigations, each of their stories would show mis-fitting details and they would quickly and EASILY fall apart.Even in the conveniences of communication of our present day, regardless if conspirators practice, plan, and coordinate every alibi and lieing detail, forensics and investigators will almost always still break through it all, and will almost always find the little treads, that when pulled, unravel their spun stories. Between just 2 people, or even just 1 person lies trip when looked at with scrutiny! If for just 2 people, or even just 1, keeping a lie is difficult, then how about 4, or 12 people?How about 100's of people keeping the lies and the same stories? Many of the first followers were people who where 1st hand eye witnesses. Then add the pressures from intese persecutions, a constant threat and weight around their necks meant to crush and remove these "untrue stories." While Christians lived everyday life in these violent environments in the aftermath of the Crucifixion (and also the Resurrection.) And continued against them over many generations. And you further decrease any ability for Christianity to have progressed beyond this 1st crew.Historically factual accounts of loyalty are recorded among 1,000,000's of meek people, not pumped up terrorists infused with radical ideas of hate and vengeance, Not testosterone happy coloseum fighters. Not people trained for battle or engaged in wars. Mild mannered fathers and mothers, people of every age, from every walk of life. The basic fishermen, tradesmen, bakers, even tax collectors. Everyday people, throughout every part of those societies.Under extreme pressures, MAYBE a few would have been able to persevere, and willingly become lion food rather than deny their faith in Jesus, but Jesus had to be pretty charismatic for all those people to follow Him to those horrific deaths. Heck, I think being blown up by suicide vest, knowing it will be over in just a few seconds is actually a pretty cowardice martyrdom in comparison to some martyrdoms they endured in taking a stand for something as silly as faith in just a man any man! No matter how cool He was!But, we are talking about many, many, many everyday people, who were living simple everyday lives, to become so loyal to faith in Jesus and for the things they learned and witnessed. To the degree they chose not to deny the Lord Jesus regardless of facing severe extremes in affliction, loss of their loved ones, loss of everything, imprisonment, unimaginable pains of torture, stoning, fed to lions, beheadings, and fire and still not change their stories and their faith. And still "hold on to their conspiracies and lies. We are talking about people, given life choices like deny this whole story and go home and bake bread for you children, or be lion food for all to watch as Lions crush your bones and rip your limbs off! They tought Jesus was more than just a man, more than even a great man. They died for a man who WAS technically already dead and gone! That is, if there was no Resurrection!