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Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Women are different decision makers than men, and it just so happens that the fields in which men make the best positions are powerful fields (such as business).Citation needed.Though it's quite funny that men are the ones in the highest positions- I say this because your 'degree' has nothing to do with your intelligence. Any woman can remember a bunch of facts and get high score on a test, but to actually intellectualize the data you're assessing takes a certain mentality- and I am not saying that only men are intellects, though most intellectual (not powerful) positions (science, philosophy) are also mainly held by men... why do you think that is?Yes well that is the question isn't? You are saying that it is because of natural ability and others are saying it is because of social conditions. You are begging the question.You see the distinct mentality in children. Boys are more mechanical and are more inquisitive about puzzles, girls like pretty things such as colorful dolls (there is also a correlation with women liking the color pink).I have known several small boys that had pink as their favourite colour at the age of 3 and 4, and enjoyed playing with 'colourful dolls' yet they are conditioned against those things by their peers as they grow.You seem to negate the fact entirely that males are more dominant than women- which is a feminist extremist view that is entirely irrational.Begging the question.Women make a lot of decisions based on emotion (whether it be subconscious or not). Citation needed.Also, why do you think women are mainly in nursing and teaching fields? ? It could be the case that their evolutionary instincts renders them more fit for such field (they have instincts for childcare which would include medically attending to their wounded child (in a way in which they would see best fit), and since women are designed to raise the child, teaching would have to be an essential skill to have.As a male that has worked in both teaching and nursing I can tell you that men, in general are actively discouraged from persuing these types of careers. I can tell you though that I have always been as good, if not better, than my female counterparts. Ask yourself this.. 50 years ago when the vast majority if teachers were male - would you still have been arguing that women make the best teachers? I think not.If it is a biopsychological reason for a trait... how would you expect society to just bypass such a trait? This is tantamount to telling homosexuals to stop being gay because society deems it inappropriate.No. A correct analogy would be... telling people not to kill another for food, or rape or piss in the street. We are not slaved to what you judge should be natural. Men have a tendency to dominate women is your argument. Is this morally okay is the question.All of your argument is either begging the question or something that needs more citation than "From The Mind of Harvard".
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/men-women-different-brains2.htm Yes well that is the question isn't? You are saying that it is because of natural ability and others are saying it is because of social conditions. You are begging the question.There are no social conditions limiting women scientists and philosophers. Her point addressed business, in which she makes some points to a degree, but there are also other factors.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

There are no social conditions limiting women scientists and philosophers. Citation: From the Mind of Harvard. The article says nothing about social conditions not effecting why less women become scientists. Infact, it contradicts your point:"One study showed that female students with math, science and engineering majors were uninterested in attending a summer math and sciences conference after they were shown videos in which the gender ratio was unbalanced, with three males for every one female [source: Bryner]."This is women responding to social conditions in a way that dissuades them from participating in science or maths that has nothing whatsoever to do with raw ability.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

This isn't a case of social conditions limiting women- such implies that the locus of control is out of the hands of said women- this is a case of women consciously opting to limit themselves, citing social conditions as their reasoning. At this point it's analogous to a self fulfilling prophecy. The women who might attend such a function and even out the gender ratio refuse to attend the function and even out the gender ratio because they don't like the gender ratio. If all of the women who might want to attend such a function refuse to do so until the gender ratio is closer, the gender ratio will never be closer. Advancement of any kind involves stepping out of ones element...Basically, they're all waiting for someone else to step up, and blaming the world when it doesn't happen.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Your take seems to absolve men of any hand in the issue.The framing is more like "current social conditions are unfavorable environments for women, this deters women". Your take on this is kind of blame the victim.It is no secret that things are historically skewed towards the benefit if males over females. To ask for "...stepping out of ones element..." to be the prerequisite addressing inequality is really asking to be met on the uneven playing field. Privilege likes to be met on its own terms. It is gatekeeping.Rather than settling the onus on women to solve this problem we need to recognize that men are part of the issue. We all have to note that we have certain privileges that we did not earn but instead born into. Obviously we all, men and women, should help bring about change. Why wait for someone else to make it when you can help someone else make it?Its not like we had to all wait for slaves to free themselves, we all had to get there together. Why would women have to, by themselves, bear a burden we are all complicit in?
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

This isn't a case of social conditions limiting women- such implies that the locus of control is out of the hands of said women- this is a case of women consciously opting to limit themselves, citing social conditions as their reasoningYou are from the USA and naturally take the self-determinist view I see. Ultimately we can take any action regardless of social conditions. For example, I know that people will ridicule me if I walk out of my house naked. I can still choose to do it but yet the social attitude to nudism is a factor that dissuades me from doing this (as well as the cold..). At this point it's analogous to a self fulfilling prophecy. The women who might attend such a function and even out the gender ratio refuse to attend the function and even out the gender ratio because they don't like the gender ratio.Right. If something is a barrier to doing something, but it is important to us, then we should push on through in order to achieve what we want. This is not to say that there isn't a barrier that makes it more difficult and that should be questioned on a societal level.I remember when I was 16 I enrolled in a childcare course but dropped out because I was so embarrassed to be the only guy there and felt the course was very female orientated. I also felt I was treated differently from everyone else. I see that as a problem and it went beyond the mere fact of me being surrounded by girls - in other situations this is not so unpleasant. Ultimately I guess I didn't want to do the course enough to continue with the discomfort. However, if the course is very easy and comfortable for one gender, but difficult and uncomfortable for the other, then it is surely worth looking at why that is beyond merely saying "the individual has to try harder".
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

You are from the USA and naturally take the self-determinist view I see. Ultimately we can take any action regardless of social conditions. For example, I know that people will ridicule me if I walk out of my house naked. I can still choose to do it but yet the social attitude to nudism is a factor that dissuades me from doing this (as well as the cold..). Yes, all true. But despite this, there are areas in the world where nudism is more accepted and less ridiculed. This is solely due to exposure (pun intended). If nudism can get localized support simply by having others recognize their number, surely women can get support in the STEM fields similarly by weight of numbers, if only they're willing to step up.Right. If something is a barrier to doing something, but it is important to us, then we should push on through in order to achieve what we want. This is not to say that there isn't a barrier that makes it more difficult and that should be questioned on a societal level.I never suggested that we shouldn't question things on the societal level- rather, I pointed out that changes on this scale take the course of several generations to take effect. We can (and are, really) making change that should improve the gender ratio in subsequent generations- but the only thing that can reasonably improve the gender ratio for the current generation is more female participation. It's very simple math, really.I remember when I was 16 I enrolled in a childcare course but dropped out because I was so embarrassed to be the only guy there and felt the course was very female orientated. I also felt I was treated differently from everyone else. I see that as a problem and it went beyond the mere fact of me being surrounded by girls - in other situations this is not so unpleasant. Ultimately I guess I didn't want to do the course enough to continue with the discomfort. However, if the course is very easy and comfortable for one gender, but difficult and uncomfortable for the other, then it is surely worth looking at why that is beyond merely saying "the individual has to try harder".Of course it is worth looking at why that is- but how is the next generation to accept child care as being gender-blind when they have numerous examples of females in child care and only a few examples of males? The process of social change in that direction necessitates men entering that field, in the exact same manner that social change in the stem fields necessitates women entering that field. The social change will not happen without the examples, and the examples have to be willing to step out of their comfort zone for the sake of themselves and the future.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

But that doesn't really make sense now does it?
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

I have not begged the question, and that areas that you think need citations are generally known. So as for you clever smear at the end, I would have thought that anybody who is relatively intelligent individual would have learned such simple psychology (esp. someone as yourself who claims to be in medical school).
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

If they are generally known you should find no problems finding citations for them. Let's see.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Why is it that you seem to be afraid of arguing with thousandin1? He clarified my point but then you hush up... Is it fear? Is it because he isn't known to make fallible points? You let others take your spot but that just illustrates your incompetence.You asked for a citation I gave it to you, you contended, he clarifies my point, then you back down. Yet, here you are once again imploring citations... I've never seen so much cowardice on a website.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

I can understand where you're coming from, but I still disagree with most of your arguments. You say that feminism helps men express their emotions which lowers the likeliness of mental illnesses, but reports on the news and in the media show feminists interrupting men's community meetings about their own issues, so what is it? It helps them to express their emotions, but as soon as they take this on board and host things like community meetings, they are bombarded by feminists protesting against them... Hmm. Secondly, I would like to tell you something that I hope helps you understand why men get paid more. I have a step dad, which means I have three sets of grandparents instead of 2, and I have 2 parents plus one guardian. Every single one of my male grandparent is not retired and my grandmother is, in each family my dad (and stepfather) works longer and more days than my mum, same with aunties an uncles. And you're right, women are more creative, which means they don't usually go for a degree in the STEM areas, not because they feel they can't. Men also go for the more dangerous dangerous jobs. Here's an example, my mum's an architect, whereas, my uncle is a builder, you see what I mean? My mum doesn't get paid less because she's a woman, she gets paid less because she works from home part time as an architect. And she chose to. Can I please point out something that feminists may not realize? Society is going to organize itself no matter what, it has been happening since the dawn of time and it's inevitable. Both genders are amazing, but we are different in our capabilities. I know some kick-ass women and I know some bad-ass men so let's just let it go and be happy!!
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Yup. We are male dominant, probably due to the fact that we evolved from a line of animals whose males also were. The only animals I can think of that are female dominant are lemurs.However, I do think we should have moved on from this. Let's empower women. Feminists have merit.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I was agreeing that men are dominant. I may have put some contradictory sentences in there.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

If you're going to make an argument about intelligence, you should probably learn to spell/proofread.Let's see if you can "rap" your head around that...
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

And if you're going to make a counterargument you should probably learn how to read as not once have I said anything about intelligence.So much for that smear.... Furthermore, I have openly admitted to being a terrible speller due to conditions (dyslexia) I cannot control. So one would question the intelligence of someone incessantly pointing out factors irrelavent and uncontrollable, given that an intelligent individual would not seem to question a situation they already has the answers to.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

not once have I said anything about intelligenceDoes dyslexia prevent you from knowing that psychology includes intelligence??I have openly admitted to being a terrible speller due to conditions (dyslexia)I do find it interesting that people who are below average in a given aspect are often the ones defending the average - e.g. my brain is broken, but men have better brains than women...The general case does not apply to every specific case - there are many women who are better than you physically/psychologically.incessantly pointing outIs one post incessant to you?irrelavent[sic]relevantuncontrollablecontrollable - (use a good spelling and grammar checker since you know you are deficient in that area.)
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

So why do feminist ignore they scientifically proved evidence of men being dominant?That's what you would expect from a man. If men are told they can't do something, they laugh and work hard until they get it done. That is known as a good quality in men, why not in women.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Well that is true to an extent, but it's a matter of how people are raised. I think you are generally speaking for men which is true but there are many men out there who would wimp out just as much as women do and fall apart when someone tells them they can't do something and not work their butts off at all. In my perspective, women are disciplined with a lighter hand since women have been this image of fragility which brings out disputes about how men shouldn't beat women and whatsoever. Coming with that is a characteristic showered by their parents that their daughter should be lady-like, and when I say lady, we're talking light of the house and not a breadwinner. Men have been long renowned to be breadwinners and working harder jobs and that's when I say that we need to stop comparing who is dominant because we have kept women's opportunity short in the beginning of time and we have seized them useless to even see their inner potentials. Up to this date we are easing out of it, but we are still stuck with the thought that women should only be entitled to less and that develops girls' mindsets to not put out as much effort as a guy does since they're always told that they're second in this stupid gender competition.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Sorry, I was fighting a generalization, so my statement looked similar. I didn't mean to imply that all men do it. I was simply trying to point out that if a man did it he wouldn't think it was so weird. I think you might be hitting on something when you bring up how children are raised. That sounds like a reasonable explanation.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Alright, I got you buddy. Don't worry, I totally understand where you're coming from though.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

There is no correlation between brain size and intelligence so let's put that irrelevant fact about bigger brains to side. Women are in general just as capable as men but still recieve less pay for doing the same job. As girls outperform boys at every stage of their education it is difficult to argue they are less intelligent.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Please point out where I have said there was a correlation between brain size and intelligence?
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Males brains are even (anatomically) 13% BIGGER than a female brain, which is significant in terms of psychology. If you didn't mean intelligence than what did you mean. You highlight word bigger so clearly you mean to say that men are better in some way (rather than merely different). So if you didn't mean better in terms of intelligence then what did you mean?
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

What aspect of psychology does it correlate to than?
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

Males brains are even (anatomically) 13% BIGGER than a female brain,And Neanderthal brains are even bigger than Human brains.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I recently left the feminist movement because they are just as sexist as the patriarchy. I am an egalitarian, not an MRA or feminist.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Which feminist movement? There are half a dozen different schools of feminist thought.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

That is personal and private. I used to be a modern feminist, and now I amn not.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

That is personal and private. Then why bring it up on a public website?I used to be a modern feminist, and now I amn not.There are half a dozen modern feminist schools of thought, and that includes a school of feminist thought that is egalitarian, something you claimed to be.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

Who gives a fuck what label you give yourself? This a debate not a personal blog.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I was debating the failures of feminism and giving a reason for doing so.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

But you did not specify what form of feminism you were referring to, which makes the reason rather iffy.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I was an independent feminist, and an anarchist one at that.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

So are you saying you adhered to Anarcha-Feminism? Because if so, that would be why you thought feminism was quite sexist, seeing as how Anarcha-Feminism is quite extremist.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I am saying that I was an anarcho-feminist. .
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are

In which case you have no idea what debating is. "I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant." is the debate. You say "I used to be a feminist muah!" Well good for you dear but that isn't an argument is it.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

I agree with the person before me and I don't think I can add anything relative to the argument. I will say that if child birth was left to men, humanity would be extinct.
Debate: I Don't Understand Feminists... Men Are Dominant.
Side: Men Are Not

The reason why men see themselves superior in everything is because they have always been. I mean, a lot men looked down on women back then and didn't even allow them to vote. Women were no breadwinners in the house and men have grown to think "oh wow, we're so much dominant" but that's only because we haven't really given women a chance to perform the same tasks as men. I think it's about time we stop saying which gender is dominant over the other. A lot of feminists do not fight for their rights as a human being because they want to establish dominance over the male sex. They fight because they wanna be treated equally as men in society. Unfortunately, a lot of feminists go over the top and use the advantage as a woman to put all the blame on men which as a female, I highly disagree with. But back to the point, I don't consider men dominant just because I belong to the female gender but because I actually think there's no sense in comparing both at all. There are some women who are capable of what men can do, there's just so few of them. My physics teacher (and he's a man) told me that women are not to be underestimated only because we grew up playing dolls as given gifts since we are girls. It's something that we didn't have control over as kids--to be raised as "ladies"-- but that doesn't mean that we can't achieve the same things men can. Although the physique build is different from a man's, you still have women who are as massive bodybuilders (I'm not saying a lot of women are but there are a number of em) as other men and in fact are way more muscular than most men and probably so much stronger. We need to unwrap the stereotypical idea of men and women raised a certain way and having to act and perform a certain way to perfectly fall in the "man" and "woman" role in society.Other than that, both genders have different levels of pain tolerance. I don't think a guy would even appreciate giving birth in a hospital to one kid whether it's a cesarean or worse, a normal delivery. Imagine giving birth to twins, quadruplets or even worse, octuplets. Women might come off weak because that's how women are classified as and are raised as but in that emergency room, it's no joke and carrying a kid for 9 months every single day is not a joke either. I think all men should try the labor pain simulator just for the heck of it.