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Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

You just said Why not just create one intelligent species within the universe?what side are you on?an intelligent species within the universe that existed through out the universe. This would be a significantly better argument for a fine tuner, if human beings existed all over the universe, evolution allowed us all to become the same therefore there was less tension and no wasted space.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

an intelligent species within the universe that existed through out the universe. This would be a significantly better argument for a fine tuner, if human beings existed all over the universe, evolution allowed us all to become the same therefore there was less tension and no wasted space.My point it is observation bias in 2.5 billion years (just a long time) humanity would expand are you saying the fine-tuning argument would magically gain it? (credibility)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

My point is it observation bias in 2.5 billion years (just a long time) humanity would expand are you saying the fine-tuning argument would magically gain it? (credibility)If what you are trying to say is, that fine tuning is allowing us to explore the universe, and it is ridiculous to let it just have us already explored is asking too much evidence. Then my reply to this is, that I am saying if something highly unlikely, or contradicted the probability of what our universe could create this greatly, and every planet was habitable, or almost every planet, this would be a good argument for fine tuning maybe. Not just saying that the laws are so perfect for what the end result is that a god must have designed it... it doesn't work that way, the end result will always correlate with the laws of the universe.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

My argument to this would be, why would life require a fine tuner or a creator?Cause the chances of this happening assuming there is just one universe 1 to infinity for a universe to be fine-tuned for sentient life.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Cause the chances of this happening assuming there is just one universe 1 to infinity for a universe to be fine-tuned for sentient life.Sentient life, is rare for any one planet, but for an entire universe, maybe not at all. Maybe for an entire universe to provide life somewhere, is guaranteed?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Sentient life, is rare for any one planet, but for an entire universe, maybe not at all. Maybe for an entire universe to provide life somewhere, is guaranteed?That is not my point I am saying is to make it able for sentient life to be able to be throughout the universe requires lots of fine-tuning by a intelligent designer. I am saying is for life to even be able in a universe to develop requires an extremely high level of luck or an intelligent designer.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

That is not my point I am saying is to make it able for sentient life to be able to be throughout the universe requires lots of fine-tuning by a intelligent designer.How so, sentient life existing somewhere is inevitable so I fail to see how a fine tuner is necessary.I am saying is for life to even be able in a universe to develop requires an extremely high level of luck or an intelligent designer.No it doesn't, it is pretty much guaranteed. Life to exist on any given planet is highly unlikely, but life to exist anywhere in the universe, is like I said multiple times, inevitable.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

No it doesn't, it is pretty much guaranteed. Life to exist on any given planet is highly unlikely, but life to exist anywhere in the universe, is like I said multiple times, inevitable.Not if the laws of physics was changed.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Not if the laws of physics was changed.Why would a god be required to have the exact laws of physics we have now? Are you saying that because we don't know where our laws come from that god must exist? that is an argument from ignorance.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

90% is fatal? And your facts?And if that is true...could not God have designed it this way?You have a lot of faith to believe that all this...came about randomly....just by change. Wow. Even I don't have that much faith.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Why is it rational to be afraid of death? I am not afraid of death...why are you? You maintain that there is no life after death...so you just end up as ash....so what are you afraid of? Who programmed you to believe that way?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Why are you disputing me?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

I think you are wrong....dispute is to argue or debate. We are debating. I am addressing what you said. I question what you said, what you claim is the truth. We are engaging in discussions and arguments.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

You lost me at rule #1, Fuck!
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

No it is not rational, a child who claims they have an imaginary friend will be allowed this fantasy ,till he or she is a certain age,and then the illusion is gently dispelled , as the child's matures .So why is this any different? . Humans fear death , and the thought of extinction.There seems to be a need not to feel that this life is all we have, so "God " and the belief in a God is their safety net.It is incredible in every other facet of life believers , use logic and reasoning , yet when it comes to this they just claim it's " faith " . All believers are brainwashed from childhood , if a child was never exposed to a belief in God till adulthood, they would reject the idea out of hand as nonsensical tripe .
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I was one of those brainwashed kids. I fell away for many years, using alot of those silly statements until I actually stopped being lazy and reviewed the evidence as unbiasedly as I could and decided belief in a higher being was acceptable. I was able to use the process of elimination to settle where I am today.Its ignorance,stubborness and personal bias that makes this process so difficult, you have believers and nonbelievers not bothering to study both sides with an honest heart and prefer to just throw ad hominems and conjecture around.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

It's not rational to believe in a supposedly omnipotent God who was defeated by iron chariots, so there goes Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

God never lost to iron chariots. The people of Judah did. Anywho, he beat them in Judges 4 which proves that chariots could lose and God can beat iron chariots.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Judges 1:19The minimum argument length is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I remembered the verse about 3 seconds after I posted the comment. My rebuttal is in my previous argument. My apologies.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

I remembered the verse about 3 seconds after I posted the comment. My rebuttal is in my previous argument. My apologies.The point is God was with those people. It was God's power that allowed them to be successful in previous battles and God's power that was insufficient when it came time to throw down with iron chariots. Sure there are enough apologist websites for you to look up an excuse for anything, but your rebuttal only serves to underscore the fact that the Bible is merely a collection of contradiction and nonsense.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Please refrain from spreading lies, you troll wannabe anti God prick. Did you forget that God allowed his son to be nailed on the cross? And you think God could not have stopped that from happening? Since you're the one here referencing the bible, I figured I'd rebuttal you with that. The point made above is the point; sacrifice for mankind. If you truly believe that God is not all powerful and if you don't fear God, naturally, you're already more lost than the lost religious person.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

If you truly believe that God is not all powerful and if you don't fear God, naturally, you're already more lost than the lost religious person.Couldn't that be said of any person with an all powerful deity? How rational is it when it can be used to argue any deity, any religion?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

It's not a matter of which God is correct or wrong. It's the matter that there is something there. Is it not? I'm not in the business of saying, X, Y Z is right, or wrong. I'm an advocate of stating the fact that there is something there. And X, Y, Z people call it respectively. You, as well as many other, seem to be so focused on that X is wrong. So to answer your question: Humans are curious; Humans want to know more than what they see; Humans believe in many different things.. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. What matters is that there is something there...Whats your point>?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

God never lost to iron chariots. The people of Judah did. Anywho, he beat them in Judges 4 which proves that chariots could lose and God can beat iron chariots.In case you never read it.My point is God never lost to the chariots, the Israelites did. Iron chariots were the most advanced of there time, so they had a huge fear factor. Of course the Israelites were confident that they could beat the foot soldiers, but when a real problem arose they began to show fear. Which is why they lost, because they lost faith in God and when that happens, he always leaves them to their own devices.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

This makes no sense. What you're saying (what the apologists who made up this excuse to cover up for an obvious problem are saying) is that as long as God was with them, they could win battles they didn't need him for, but as soon as they came up against any real resistance, God being with them wasn't enough. Also why did they lose faith in a God who just helped them win every other battle. Not only is a loss of faith just a made up explanation, it's not even logical.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I think you are deliberately interpreting what you want from what I said. as that as long as God was with them, they could win battles they didn't need him forOkay no. They could have still lost the battle with the foot soldiers, but they were confident they would win. In other words, they saw a possibility, and God being with them made it an assurance.but as soon as they came up against any real resistance, God being with them wasn't enough.That has always been the Modus Operandi of the Isrealites- to give up whether God is with them or not whenever they face real opposition. But the men who had gone with him said, “We can’t attack those people! They’re too strong for us!” 32 So they began to spread lies among the Israelites about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored is one that devours those who live there. All the people we saw there are very tall. 33 We saw Nephilim there.Whenever it seems too tough they give up. They sometimes do not even try. Are you saying God should force them to run into battle even though they don't want to?Also why did they lose faith in a God who just helped them win every other battle.If you read the Old Testament you would realize that they are just overall negative. And God does not really bother himself with negative people. Not only is a loss of faith just a made up explanation, it's not even logical.It is pretty logical when you realize that it is hard to keep faith when you are seemingly bound to lose. It's called morale.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

I am not sure what you guys are talking about, but I have a question. In Judges 4 did God defeat the iron chariots, or help the people of Judah to defeat the chariots?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

He helped them beat it. .
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Oh, so when God doesn't help them beat the chariots, it is because the people of Judah are weak, but when He does help them it is Him defeating the chariots. Nice double standard.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

That is not a double standard. I had a good Additional Mathematics teacher, I thank him for assisting me get the highest possible grade for my regional examination, but I also know that I am the reason I always failed in my unit tests because I never studied. Me failing meant it looked bad on him because the grades of students is assumed to reflect the work of the teacher. But that was not the caseLikewise, the failure of Judah and the Israelites seemingly makes God look bad, but that was not the case.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

So, when you did well on your math tests your Math teacher took the tests for you?Likewise, the failure of Judah and the Israelites seemingly makes God look bad, but that was not the case.Why wasn't God helping Judah the first time?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

So, when you did well on your math tests your Math teacher took the tests for you?Took them myself. If he didn't teach me could I have passed?Why wasn't God helping Judah the first time?Yeah and he stopped.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Took them myself. If he didn't teach me could I have passed?It sounded like even though he did teach you you couldn't pass. Why doesn't he get credit for taking your test like God.Yeah and he stopped.Wow, how generous of Him. Did America not lose the Vietnam War because we quit early?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

He never took my test, and since you are trying to insult my intelligence I don't think there is much more for me to say here.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

You said that you had tests that you failed, but that wasn't your teacher's fault. I am not trying to insult your intelligence, I am insulting your belief that God should be praised when someone succeeds and that He should not be blamed when someone fails. You also admitted that God was a quitter when Judah needed Him.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Although I am not directly disputing that (I will on another dispute) why do you think life is so fine-tuned in the universe?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Although I am not directly disputing that (I will on another dispute) why do you think life is so fine-tuned in the universe?Fine-tuned?That's the last thing I'd call it.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Fine-tuned?That's the last thing I'd call it.How come?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Would you call a garden where 98% of the plants died finely tuned or would you call into question the skills of your gardener?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Would you call a garden where 98% of the plants died finely tuned or would you call into question the skills of your gardener?The bible only says God wanted life on earth and that is confirmed by science as there is not any complex or intelligent life on any other planets. What happens if God only wanted us to be the only planet with life? I would also like to point out before you talk about the multiple universe theory that I have heard to explain the fine-tuning, I would like to add why is there no evidence for these multiple universes? I would like you to look at the fine-tuning of the Cosmological Constant. It has been said that who created God but the naturalistic big bang falls into this same "problem" which is solved by saying someone or something created time. The bible also says this in the book of Jude. (1)(2)(3)1. Jude 1:252. Titus 1:23. 2 Timothy 1:9
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Who says there's no life, complex or otherwise on any other planet? I can tell you who isn't saying that; cosmologists...but what do they know?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Who says there's no life, complex or otherwise on any other planet? I can tell you who isn't saying that; cosmologists...but what do they know?Like what cosmologists? We also don't see evidence of life on other planets. The only major planet that could support life expect for Earth is Mars and if it had life or not is unsure and unlikely at best.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Find me even one who doesn't think it's likely that extraterrestrial life exists. I will admit, I haven't looked for any myself, but I can't imagine anybody who knows what they're talking about thinking that...maybe a creationist cosmologist if such a thing exists, but I'm talking about somebody you can take seriously.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Find me even one who doesn't think it's likely that extraterrestrial life exists. I will admit, I haven't looked for any myself, but I can't imagine anybody who knows what they're talking about thinking that...maybe a creationist cosmologist if such a thing exists, but I'm talking about somebody you can take seriously.It is in the link
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Well that was an odd article. You have one person cautioning against making assumptions that life is plentiful in the universe (a reasonable position, but stopping short of stating it's unlikely to exist) and then a link to a video that talks about comets delivering the building blocks of life and the recent discovery of such comets and several planets that might support life in close proximity of each other. It seems like your link did more to support my argument than it did yours.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Well that was an odd article. You have one person cautioning against making assumptions that life is plentiful in the universe (a reasonable position, but stopping short of stating it's unlikely to exist) and then a link to a video that talks about comets delivering the building blocks of life and the recent discovery of such comets and several planets that might support life in close proximity of each other. It seems like your link did more to support my argument than it did yours.I was thinking you where talking about life being common in the universe.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Another problem with life on other planets in the universe (or at least the milky way galaxy) is that most star systems is that they are red dwarfs (the most common stars in the universe) is that planets in them become tidal locked which makes life almost impossible. Also red dwarfs flare decaying the magnetosphere rapidly and leaving the atmosphere decaying rapidly and becomes unstable leaving complex and/or intelligent life impossible to our knowledge.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Would you call a garden where 98% of the plants died finely tuned or would you call into question the skills of your gardener?Giving space in the galaxy would allow the survival of sentient species.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Well...lets see. I think it's a really complexed question but I will try.It all boils down to CHANCE...with me. The chance that an egg..or the eye..or our entire planet just came into existence by random chance....not buying it. Is it impossible that a molecule just happened by chance? Then how about cause and effect? Did something come from nothing? Just some random chance event in perfect harmonious unity so that everything works? Am I to believe that the cosmos in all of its complexity was created by chance? R.C Sproul said this..."chance is magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing." So chance implies no design or designer. The eye as I said is a complexed property. This is what Darwin had to say about this. "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” Ok the egg....it is one of the most highly organized and complexed structure in all the world. Sperm meets egg...and a human is created...an animal created so small it can't be seen by the human eye....microscopic with all it needs genetically. It is as small as a grain of salt and yet it has all the instructions it needs to develop. Now look at our earth...precision and design. Ocean tides, gravitational pull of the moon....coming together perfectly. Even the temperatures on earth...our closeness to other planets. If we were closer to the sun we would burn up...further away we would freeze. Random Chance? No way. That would take a lot of faith to believe.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Human beings have created far better "eyes" in the cheapest of cameras. Odd that an omnipotent god's handiwork has been so thoroughly bested by run of the mill technology.And once you consider the number of stars just like our sun in the universe, all this talk of, "if the sun was just a little bit further or closer bla bla bla" becomes mathematically insignificant - a fact completely lost on the ignorant authors of Bible mythology (and remarkably, modern day adherents like yourself).
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

What was the first cause anti-christ?Tell us the truth of what happened. Why are we here and how did we get here?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

What was the first cause anti-christ?Tell us the truth of what happened.Why are we here and how did we get here?I don't know.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I don't know.So how is it irrational to not believe in a higher power or a God or Gods?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Aka argumentum ad ignorantiam...The minimum argument length is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Talking about the God of the gaps?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I wasn't also using that as a argument I was just wondering your perspective on why it is irrational so it is not argumentum ad ignorantiam.