azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

"Assuming that belief (or lack thereof) is not a choice, then surely this has ramifications for certain things... If there is a God, surely he couldn't blame atheists for not believing in him?"You already accepted my answer here.... "I agree that not all Christians were indoctrinated into childhood, and that has nothing to do with what you are supposed to be attempting to dispute."And it has everything to do with what i am to be disputing because it implies freewill to choose right from childhood and God can blame atheists for being atheists.Some on here say they became atheists at age 7+, though from a christian doctrined home.And at age 15 my pastor converted from catholic(mexican background) to penticostal without even meeting the preacher earlier. He had a choice. Catholics are anti penticostal indoctrinators. He had to fight his family for a long time till he became an independent man(eventually his grandma and father converted to penticostal after more than a decade).There is always a choice to every indoctrination , atheistic, catholic, christian, budhist,~ child or adult, free or prisoner and God will blame you(especially a well thinking adult).Your point is therefore not valid.Be real and stop assuming, there is a choice.If you don't intend to make realistic debates then this contributes to nothing just a waste.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

You still haven't even come near to refuting the logic. How could I have accepted an answer you never gave? The whole point of that statement is what if the correct answer to the original question is that there is no choice for atheists, and you're trying to refute my logic by ignoring the 'what if' at the beginning. It's a hypothetical question. To answer a 'what if' question you have to begin with an assumption, in this case that there is no choice in becoming an atheist. You can't say mt logic is bad because of the assumption at the start because that's the whole point,it's an assumption which you have to accept to refute the logic. You can't just say that there's a choice and therefore it's not valid, because you have to work from the assumption that there is a choice, and then refute the logic. It's like me saying to you, "If there was no moon, it would be darker at night." You can't just say; "Well there is a moon, so your wrong." That misses the point entirely.I will ask again then; "Assuming that belief (or lack thereof) is not a choice, then surely this has ramifications for certain things... If there is a God, surely he couldn't blame atheists for not believing in him (because they had no choice) ?" "Be real and stop assuming, there is a choice.If you don't intend to make realistic debates then this contributes to nothing just a waste."I'm allowed to make whatever debate I like, you don't have to participate if you think your time will be wasted.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

There are atheists who were brought up as atheists ? So what ?I'm Irish and what is an ' Atheistic manner ' ?How can you bring someone up in an ' Atheistic manner ' but not 100 per cent ?I never believed in ' making ' anyone believe in something .Evolution is accepted as fact by 93 per cent of scientists and is proven ; if you have a counter theory that disproves Evolution why are you not revealing it , fame awaits you .How does someone debating become hypocrisy ?How does Atheism indoctrinate ?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

As usual, never address the points that make your argument look stupid.I asked what created your bigotry against Christians? Was it a choice to be so judgmental?Were you abused as a child, were you raised by strict parents? Did you have a choice for being so insecure with people who shine a light on your inhumnity towards others such as with abortion.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Bigotry = intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.Tolerance = the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behavior that one dislikes or disagrees with.I tolerate the existence of your beliefs and behavior, at least the behavior that isn't detrimental to society. Therefore I'm not bigoted against Christians who do not harm society, which means I'm not bigoted towards most of them. The ones I am bigoted to are the ones that do, or try to do things detrimental to society, like attempt to put creationism in more schools. I see no problem with being bigoted against those people, so call me a bigot all you like. It wasn't a choice to be judgmental, I was just born with a brain that can see through bullshit, not my choice.I wasn't abused as a child, and my parents weren't particularly strict. I'm not insecure with people who criticize abortion, I just like to have a reasoned debate with them about why it is wrong.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

You were born with a brain but you are clinically mindless not to see through all the inhumanity with the so called compassionate Left.You have swallowed the coolaide. You have bought into the Leftwing lunacy either because your parents taught you to, or you lack the common sense wisdom to understand that killing a viable baby for any reason up to birth is inhuman!When you start voting for Democrats, you might as well dismember those children yourself.You deserve no respect for your inhumanity and YOU ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE LIVES OF INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS!YOU TOTAL HYPOCRITE!You call it detrimental for people of faith to want their children also hearing creation theories if the schools are gong to push their evolution theories on their children.Many Christians say speak to both theories or speak to none.I would prefer they speak to neither and get back to teaching our children the basics.One side does not get to preach their evolutionary God with little proof and no clue how the first living cell magically appeared.You call another person's right, to not want their children indoctrinated by the Left, as being detrimemtal, but you have no problem with NO RESTRICTON ABORTIONS?FOOL! IGNORE!
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

You're totally changing the subject by talking about abortion. Assertions, assertions, name calling, more assertion, etc.I'm not even going to talk to you about evolution.Assertions, name calling.I think I'm going to ban you, as you won't debate properly.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

It's a choice. Perhaps as a child it may not be but as one grows and gains independent thinking it becomes a choice. If they choose to stay with it because that's what is expected, that's a choice. If they choose to stay with it because they believe in it, that's a choice. If they choose to research others and practice others or leave what belief they grew up with all together, that's a choice.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

"If they choose to stay with it because they believe in it, that's a choice"But that's the same thing... do they choose whether to believe in it, or does belief just happen because of the way their brain is built, and what that brain has to work with? You almost make a convincing argument, but it seems a bit circular, as you begin by saying that they choose with "If they choose..." being repeated.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

does belief just happen because of the way their brain is built, and what that brain has to work with?Growing up, they may not have a choice, it may be ingrained by their family and the lifestyle they have. But as they get older and move into adulthood a different world is open to them. They get their independence and what they do after that is their choice. There are enough people who have questioned the teachings of their families particular faith to where it's not an oddity that they move to either a different belief or drop their belief all together.Them choosing to stay within the teachings of their initial religion is their choice, I stand by the statement because ultimately what they do as an adult, with their freedoms and their access to information, is up to them.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

But as an adult has no choice as to what their brain is built like, then even though they seem to choose to question the teaching of their families , their brain was set to work in a way that they would have done that anyway. And even if they did 'choose' to question their family's teachings, it wouldn't be their choice as to whether or not what they found was convincing enough to make them change their beliefs, as they can't choose what standards of evidence their brain requires.So it's not their choice, right? (They may have the illusion of choice)
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

The brain set up thing you talking about includes atheism , you know right? so why are you so keen on religion instead of removing the log in your own eye which is atheism so you see clearly to deal with the speck in a religious indoctrined man's eyes.The more you try to describe a religious person's mind set up the more you describe youself(atheism).You are playing idiotic politics to make you feel better about yourself.You are not the right person to be coaching us through this debate because you do not speak from neutral grounds(no matter how much you will deny it).You want to talk about belief indoctrination(involving or denial) and you fail to address the other side convenience sake because that is where your seat is located.You set up a debate "is religious belief a choice"? then you pretend to play neutral.........when if indeed you desire to do so it would be "is religious belief and atheism a choice"?Some christians(by family tag) became atheists at 7 but isaac newton was christian till death, are trying to imply the 7yrs old had a more liberative , intelligent and open mind(ed) than isaac newton?But that wouldn't be the case for you if it happened to be the opposite which is atheist becoming christian?Because you're pretending to be intelligent?This debate is over...this stupid shit you doing here.....
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

"The brain set up thing you talking about includes atheism , you know right?Of course it includes atheism, that's why I said "whether or not to believe." Stop putting words into my mouth, and talking about everyone's beliefs or lack of beliefs. "The more you try to describe a religious person's mind set up the more you describe youself (atheism)."What on earth are you talking about. I'm not trying to describe what goes on in religious people's minds, I'm just saying that different people have different minds that will do different things. I'll say again, do not put words into my mouth. "You want to talk about belief indoctrination(involving or denial) and you fail to address the other side convenience sake because that is where your seat is located."But I don't want to talk about indoctrination, read the debate's description. I edited it a while ago, because everyone was talking about indoctrination, and that is only a small part of the issue. You're putting more words into my mouth. Also I am addressing the other side, in my other debate about whether it's okay for a public school to put up pro atheism posters, and I'm saying no it's not, for exactly the reason that it qualifies as indoctrination."You set up a debate "is religious belief a choice"? then you pretend to play neutral.........when if indeed you desire to do so it would be "is religious belief and atheism a choice"?"Is religious belief a choice covers all religions, and the lack of belief in any religions. I don't need to say atheism, it's just basically the rejection of religious belief. Atheism comes under the title."Some christians(by family tag) became atheists at 7 but isaac newton was christian till death, are trying to imply the 7yrs old had a more liberative , intelligent and open mind(ed) than isaac newton?"No, what are you talking about. I'm not implying anything, I'm just saying that different people will be convinced by different sides because of the circumstances they are in and the way they are, regardless of which side is correct. "This debate is over...this stupid shit you doing here....."I will say the exact same to you, and for your continued dishonesty through misrepresenting what I've said, I will ban you. i suppose that means you won't be able to answer the question I posed you elsewhere in this debate, but I don't think you would have been able to answer it anyways, so bye bye.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Of course it's a choice, just like believing in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

How is believing in Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny a choice?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Because you can choose to believe, or not.-----------------------------------------------
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

It is a choice but your choice also varies on how you were brought up. For example, you are not forced to believe in a specific religion even if you were forced to be part of it. You can control how you feel about different religions therefore it is a choice.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Though you are not forced by anyone to believe in something, doesn't make it a choice. The argument I'm using for why it isn't a choice is related to one about free will, Dermot explained this better than I could elsewhere in the debate, so I'll just quote what he said, which he may have gotten elsewhere:"The Philosopher Galen Strawson puts together a basic argument as to why we do not have free will .......You do what you do, in any given situation, because of the way you are.To be ultimately responsible for what you do, you have to be ultimately responsible for the way you are — at least in certain crucial mental respects.But you cannot be ultimately responsible for the way you are in any respect at all.So you cannot be ultimately responsible for what you do."(Back to me talking now) It follows then that you cannot be ultimately responsible for what you believe. This is, for me anyways, the crux of the question. You said: "You can control how you feel about different religions therefore it is a choice." I'm not entirely sure that one does have control over their emotions, and even then, you could feel good about a religion - I like Buddhism (not technically a religion) - but that doesn't mean I'm convinced by it. I can't control the standards that my brain holds for evidence for religion being correct, so I can't control what convinces me, and therefore can't control what I believe.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Dermot explained this better than I could elsewhere in the debateDermot is less intelligent than a soggy bag of McChicken Nuggets, so please feel free to plagiarise his opinion to prove how wrong you are.The Philosopher Galen Strawson puts together a basic argument as to why we do not have free will .......We are specifically debating whether religious belief is a choice. If you want to expand the parameters of the debate to whether we have free will then please start a debate called: "Do we have free will?" Free will is the dominant philosophical position, so for the purpose of this specific debate we should assume it to be real.You do what you do, in any given situation, because of the way you are.This is laughable pseudo-intellectual bullshit. It can be disproved immediately and with ease.Strawson's sentence can logically only apply to decisions in which the input variables are known to the participant and in which the participant holds a bias towards them (i.e. Do I want steak or sprouts for dinner?). When the input variables are unknown to the participant, and/or when there is no bias towards them (i.e. odd or even, Neptune or Pluto, black or dark) then his theory obviously cannot apply. If someone has no direct experience of the choices then it cannot be said "the way they are" causes them to pick a certain choice. Therefore, the participant must necessarily make a decision.Furthermore, even when the input variables are known and there is bias, it still doesn't preclude a participant from choosing the opposite of their bias. If this were not true then there would be no such thing as a surprise decision.In sum, you are wrong and what you are arguing is logically indefensible. Have a nice evening.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Your opinion matters little to me ; regards intelligence your failure to solve my little brain teaser has you in a fury .Your ridiculous 9/11 debate shows exactly why no one takes you seriously on here , and also displays the level of your intelligence .How is Mack guilty of plagiarism when he mentioned my piece and named me ?Telling someone there wrong is not an argument and is rather childish .Incidentally you do not run or own this site ; Mack or others can expand the parameters of the debate if they wish . You accuse one of the worlds best philosophical theorists of spouting ' intellectual bullshit ' you tell Mack what he's defending is logically indefensible ; and of course everyone is wrong except you ; powerful argument indeed .
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Thanks for the back up.............................................................................
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

No worries Mack , the attack was totally unwarranted and sadly typical .
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Your opinion matters little to meThen why are you taking the time to write long, boring, self-aggrandising replies which I am not even going to read?Your ridiculous 9/11 debateWhy do you mention 9/11 in every single reply you write back to me? We are debating religious belief you fucking dunce.Just go away please. Nothing you say is true and everything you say is stupid.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

I dislike bullies you're a bully . Boring is your middle name .Well you did read what I said as you just gave your ' opinion ' on my piece ..... there's that logic tripping you up again .I mentioned 9/11 so others can gauge the level of you idiocy and thus avoid you . You don't debate you force your ridiculous opinions and when challenged resort to insult Nothing I say is true ? This coming from a twat that thinks 9 /11 was an inside job as he knows the ' real ' truth .Regards saying stupid things I think you also have that covered ..... refer to above 👌👋👋👋👋👋
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I dislike bullies you're a bullyThat is another deliberate lie. You are the bully, which is why you keep writing two hundred word replies containing nothing but insults and empty rhetoric.I mentioned 9/11 so others can gauge the level of you idiocyA perfect case in point. Go and get an education you aggressive little retard. You mention 9/11 at least twice per post and never have any argument or point. Why are you so desperate to sell people your 9/11 narrative?Nothing I say is true ? This coming from a twat that thinks 9 /11 was an inside jobI have demonstrated to you umpteen times that there is an absolute wealth of evidence 9/11 was an inside job. If you want to respond to that evidence by sticking your idiotic fingers in your ears and calling me a twat then that is your prerogative -- PROVIDED WE ARE DEBATING 9/11 IN THE FIRST PLACE!!A new report accuses the State Department of STAGGERING lapses in its visa program that gave Sept. 11 hijackers entry into the United States.The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that ALL OF THEM should have been denied entry to the country.http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130051&page=1#.UM_4YG9RWWw
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

A deliberate lie as opposed to what sort of lie ? You've proved you're a bully and a coward attacking a woman for merely asking you a question. 😂😂 my 9 / 11 narrative 😂😂😂 you stupid dummy all your 9/11 bullshit was destroyed by me and others ; you failed to even answer questions put to you and resorted to banning your last desperate option .Yes it is my prerogative to call you a twat that's why I called you one , 9 /11was not an inside job except to idiots like you who possibly think Einstein was killed by the mafia because he knew too much 😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏A new report .....yeah , yeah ,yeah 💤💤💤💤💤💤
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

A deliberate lie as opposed to what sort of lie ?As opposed to being unaware that you are lying.You've proved you're a bullyI don't think anybody with an iota of intellect takes your opinion seriously, but thanks anyway.9 / 119/11 again? What a refreshing change.9 /11was not an inside jobAgain, I don't think anybody with an iota of intellect takes your opinion seriously. Especially when it opposes the evidence I have just linked that it was.Here's some more. Peer-reviewed science this time:-https://benthamopen.com/ABSTRACT/TOCPJ-2-7 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I don't think anybody with an iota of intellect takes your opinion seriouslyFair point.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

How sad can you get using an alt account to support yourself
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Well you're the ' .truther ' Well we all know what those with an iota of intellect thought of your 9/11 debate don't we ? Peer reviewed nonsense ....Try this it puts all your bullshit theories to bed ......http://www.csicop.org/si/show/the911truthmovementthetopconspiracytheoryadecade_later
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Well you're the ' .truther 'So I have hard scientific evidence and you have name calling? Awesome. Very even debate.Try this it puts all your bullshit theories to bedClearly you are much too stupid to critically examine your own sources of information, and instead are only concerned with validating your own rabid confirmation bias. The acronym of the organisation you have linked (CSICOP) stands for: Committee for Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. It is not a scientific journal and it contains no peer-reviewed scientific study. It is run by its lifetime chairman Paul Kurtz, who by some strange coincidence also happens to be one of the main 9/11 terror suspects:-http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=paul kurtz1
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

It is run by its lifetime chairman Paul Kurtz, who by some strange coincidence also happens to be one of the main 9/11 terror suspectsHoly shit! I just checked and you're right.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Oh dear how sad ........................................................