azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

We live in a world of evilness, a world that can't address why we are even here and why and how we got here?Why don't you explain the first cause. Would love to see the evidence and proof you have to explain what scientists can't begin to address. What does the ability to talk to people around the globe have anything to do with anything, especially faith in God? Logic and math?Why don't you address the logic behind all we know started with a big bang? What happens when something explodes? Is their order or chaos? How do you know there is no God? And how do you know if there is a God that He would not help people? The fact is there is no possible way you can prove there is no God. You would be in the minority of all that have lived to have believed so. The first peoples of the world believed in a high power. To say all this happened...out of nothing? Now that is irrational. Something does not come from nothing. What is childish is to make pot shots at people who do have faith especially because you can't answer questions that have been asked since the beginning of time. If you know about the world religions you would see that they DON'T all say the same things. They can't be all right. They are opposed to one another in many ways..especially about the end.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

...you know i would fancy your argument. but as i was righting it i came to the conclusion; its not something i need to share. we as a people can not deal with that fact. so it would be better to just leave it until a majority says it. feel free to request it. i will say it but, you have had fair warning.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

So if the majority says something is ok, it is? What if the majority said slavery or rape was ok?Fair warning?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Technically your bible is pro slavery, there are many texts which instruct you on how to treat your slave, how a slave should obey their master, how to sell your own daughter into slavery, etc.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)  When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

As I showed you slaves were different back then…than what happened in our country. I will go read the scriptures you have shown here in the context and get back with you.Was Gods name attacked to any of these…or were these man made rules regarding slaves?Will get back to you.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Slavery is the owning of another human being, slave masters and how they treated their slaves (bad or good) always varied, back in "biblical times" there were masters who beat their slaves and others who treated them kindly, there were also slave masters who existed during the 19th century (pre civil war era) who were either cruel or "kind" to their slaves. Either way the bible itself does not oppose slavery and the argument your taking is that the bible says its "ok" to own slaves, just as long as you treat them "kindly" (but as the verses I put above show, the bible does not instruct you to be kind to your slave). Throught history the bible was used as justification for owning slaves.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

slavery is always morally wrong. Always. .
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

None of those verses condem slavery, just because some may tell masters to be kind to their slaves, does not mean that it was anti slavery, there is not one passage in the bible that directly condems slavery.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

in many religions in there history rape slavery and all the things we see now as bad were once OK. the majority does rule. i don't think its grate but what i have to say would not impact this world enough to allow them to see it. as far as i know religion is slowly ending. and for me that's enough. fair warning because, i was once a religious man. now iv come too see how things really are, and to me, the way i see them now is slightly sadder then i hoped. but if you really want to know what i mean on this, then i could PM you.(Personally message = PM)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Being a Christian is not about religion...it is about the relationship one has with Christ. Religion can fade away but a relationship with God will not if you follow what He has told you. Also people can take religion away...they can't take a relationship away. They can take your Bible away, prohibit you from going to church or to pray in public. They can prohibit any public display of your faith...jewelry, bumper stickers, reading materials, magazines...etc.BUT THEY CAN NOT TAKE AWAY YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. If you let that go then you didn't want it bad enough...the blame is on you. If you are in a relationship with God it requires work on both sides. I know a lot of people who say...God won't do this, won't do that, He didn't answer my prayer. They said this while they were intentionally sinning and doing wrong. If you claim Christ then responsibility comes with it. Funny how hard people work on their relationships with people and they don't with God. The fact is we want to spend time with the ones we love and cherish. And if you claim Christ...you should want do the same with Him. if you want to be blessed by God then you need to be aggressively blessing other people.Romans 5:8-11(v.8)But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. (v.9)And since we have been made right in God’s sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God’s condemnation. (v.10)For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son. (v.11)So now we can rejoice in our wonderful new relationship with God because our Lord Jesus Christ has made us friends of God.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

How is this any different from a Muslim who states their relation ship with Allah is true and not religion, got any evidence?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

i originally had a long dispute to tell you but... being a christian is legit totally about religion. im not addressing the rest simply cuz i think its pointless.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

The only difference between religion and apologetic religion is that the latter attempts to defend itself within the framework of rationality. However, they are both irrational because both attempt to defend a belief that cannot actually be substantiated.And for the sake of clarity, believers can be rational... just not about religion.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Your points:1. The only difference between religion and apologetic religion is that the latter attempts to defend itself within the framework of rationality. 2a. However, they are both irrational because both attempt to defend a belief that cannot actually be substantiated.2b.And for the sake of clarity, believers can be rational... just not about religion.Counter:1. Their is not apologetic religion, just apologetic works and theologians for a certain religion.2a.Thank you for your claim, where's your evidence?2b. Because you gave no evidence for 2a, 2b cannot be substantiated.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

1. Their is not apologetic religion, just apologetic works and theologians for a certain religion.My point was that apologetics is simply an attempt to defend religion within the framework of rationality but an attempt does not equate success.2a.Thank you for your claim, where's your evidence?My proof is that religion has never been proven. Not that the burden of proof is actually on my side (to provide proof that proof does not exist is an absurd expectation, really... and it sidesteps the responsibility of the belief holder to actually substantiate and defend their belief). 2b. Because you gave no evidence for 2a, 2b cannot be substantiated.My point here was actually just to acknowledge that whether or not someone is irrational about religion they can still be rational about other things.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

What about the historical Jesus?http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html And the historical miracles he did?[1]"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a heral . . . cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."-The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.[2]Celsus's (secular source) claims of Jesus working sorcery.[3]Why would so many Jews give up their lifestyle? Other "Messiahs" had come but none had the same high number of followers Jesus Christ had when he was alive on this earth.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I will take the side that it is rational to believe in a God or a higher power.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Care to share why?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Yes, it is a rational belief to have. It is just as rational as any other belief or lack there of because the individual can find rational reasons to believe and keep believing.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

And what rational reasons would those be?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Many people find it irrational that things came into being without the assistance of any force more powerful than what was made. If it is of use and functions, someone intelligent made it. That is one reason.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Many people find it irrational that things came into being without the assistance of any force more powerful than what was made.As far as we know, it's not irrational for that to happen, but until a rational explanation backing up those claims is presented, then it remains irrational to believe that it's true.If it is of use and functions, someone intelligent made it.Yeah, but that does not mean it was "your God" who created it. There are other possibilities, such as Aliens creating us, or even some multidimensional beings.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

As far as we no, it's not irrational for that to happen, but until a rational explanation backing up those claims is presented, then it remains irrational to believe that it's true.As far as humanity knows, yes that happening is irrational. We have never seen something of use be made from nothing by essentially, no one.Yeah, but that does not mean it was "your God" who created it. There are other possibilities, such as Aliens creating us, or even some multidimensional beings.But it is just as likely that this God did as it is any other God and any other reason.Which is why it is irrational, it follows an assumption and comes to conclusion based on observation.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

What is irrational about believing there was an intelligent designer?What was the first cause? What set everything into motion? Surely you wonder that.It takes just as much faith to say no intelligent designer as there is to say there is. Aliens....takes faith to believe that. And yet I am bashed for believing in God.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Btw, if your God exists, I wouldnt exactly call him an "intelligent designer". For example:1. 70% of the Earth is covered in salt water, we cant inhabit or drink from it2. Genetic mutations such as cancer, down syndrome, autism, etc.3. Diseases4. Less than 99.9% of the universe is inhabitable by humans5. Over 90% of every type of creature or lifeform that has lived on this earth has gone extinct6. Our galaxy is slowly caving in on itself from black holes and collapsing supernovas7. The milky way galaxy (the one we inhabit) is only one of over zillions of other similar solar systems in the universe (that gives justification for belief in aliens) why would God put his supposed "greatest creation" in the middle of nowhere in a never ending galaxy8. Miscarriages9. Women have menstral cycles10. Men have nipples11. Food and water go down the same pathway that we breathe out of12. Men have exposed scrotumsAnd many more...Call that intelligent design?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

and my favorite - the human eye has a blind spot... wtf?? :)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

For the thousanth time: WHAT CREATED GOD?! If you simply say he is eternal than your stating its possible for something to have always existed, then it that case God is unessesary, think about it, which is more likely; that the universe itself is eternal, or something else that was eternal created the universe?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

The fine-tuning of the universe
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

That could only prove that something created everything PERIOD. That DOES NOT prove that the Gods spoken of in religion, are real! DOES NOT.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

God is considered the creator and ruler of the universe a religion can be as simple as a belief in a God or Gods.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

It's not religion if you just believe there's a god. You must worship him as well and to do that, you must make rules to abide by.Edit Oh I'm sorry, I mean wait for the God(s) to breathe the rules into your ear.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Religion- The belief in and/or worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal god or gods.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

It's belief AND worship.https://www.google.com/search?q=define+religion&rlz=1C1CHMOenUS468US468&oq=Define+religion&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.12237j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es sm=122&ie=UTF-8
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

That is ONE of it. I defined the word religion in the rules section if you would of read it. :-)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

That's your own befuddlement.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Oh I'm sorry, I mean wait for the God(s) to breathe the rules into your ear.??
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

Well you can't make up your own rules can you? Isn't God suppose to tell you the rules?How would you know the requirements to reach paradise if God doesn't tell you them?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Well you can't make up your own rules can you? Isn't God suppose to tell you the rules?How would you know the requirements to reach paradise if God doesn't tell you them?Stay on track
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

You asked me what I meant, so I told you. And that goes along with my other argument, so it is on trackEdited for spelling errors.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

You asked me what I meant, so I told you. And that goes along with my other argument, so it is on track mean turn down the mocking.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I was just correcting myself so that my argument was more precise. . I didn't have the intention of mocking. Sorry.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I was just correcting myself so that my argument was more precise. . I didn't have the intention of mocking. Sorry.It's ok ;)
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

The fine-tuning of the universe.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

That does not prove that the Gods held by religion exist.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

It is evidence for it.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

If that's evidence, then it's also evidence for many other things as well, like the possibility of the universe being created and fine tuned by aliens or some other beings.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Yes, religion is a rational belief to have because you can easily state the following:There are so many religions and while many seem extremely divergent the reality is they all have the same basis...belief in one or more god(s) who by definition have control over we the creatures they somehow created.You do not need to prove or disprove evolution because that can exist even if we were originally created. In fact,what a brilliant idea. An imperfect, self improving and cleansing system where over time diversity is balanced with the propogation of more favorable traits.It seems to be believable.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: No Religion is Not

If I am understanding you correctly, your argument is that religion is rational because it is a widespread phenomenon. That is like saying discrimination is rational. I mean, it pervades every society right? So it must be. Believable is not the same as rational. Not at all.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

No No! I am saying if you look at why religion is a widespread phenomenon, you will see that its roots are based in extremely similar beliefs often based on the same historical (if you can call it that) accounts.
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

I see. However, you did post that argument upon the affirmation of this debate implying that the commonality between religion is a basis for claiming religion as rational. Perhaps I am still missing something?
Debate: Is Religion a Rational Belief to Have?
Side: Yes Religion is/Mixed/Other

Swearing and acting like he did is childish....it shows lack of substance.