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Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

If people don't work, they can't make money and can't afford food or shelter.So tell me, what is your opinion on education? If students don't want to work they can't make good grades or get into collage. oooo we need to change that don't we? We don't want to force those poor little kids to work. See to work there are good consequences. That's with or without capitalism.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

What are you babbling about? I never said that work is bad or that people shouldn't be forced to work.You said socialism is bad because it forces people to work. I said so does capitalism, the difference is that socialism treats the workers better.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

How does capitalism force you to work? A lot of homeless people and wellfare mongers would disagree. And how does socialism do a better job at treating workers? See with capitalism if you are treated badly you have the freedom to chose another job, and bad companies can fail. With socialism if they go bad, ....well then everyone is screwed because they is the government.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism forces you to work, because if you don't you can't make money and can't afford food or shelter.Homeless people are almost always physically or mentally handicapped. Do you honestly think anyone would choose to live that way?And welfare is socialist, not capitalist, so "welfare mongers" are not a good example.Under socialism workers are better taken care of due to free health care, free education, etc.I agree with your last sentence.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

I'm glad that you agree with that sentence. The bottom line is that the people is where the strength should be, not with government. If we don't work and help ourselves how can we be strong? Hard work is a good thing. Without it what would the world be like today? With socialism where is the motivation coming from? Why should people work hard? How will people progress?"Capitalism forces you to work, because if you don't you can't make money and can't afford food or shelter."Okay that is true, But why is that so bad? You get to choose whatever you like to do as your life work. You can create your own business if you want. You can even make money making music. Everyone has opportunity. "Under socialism workers are better taken care of due to free health care, free education, etc."1. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's better. 2. What are you learning if you get everything for free. Don't you want to take credit for something?
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism does work, when not mired down by our current and past Presidents. We've been moving toward socialism since FDR. And, capitalism is being punished. Bush enacted the new CPSC law that is killing small businesses and the capitalist mindset. I had to close my small business that manufactures educational products because I can't afford the testing. The idea was to hold China responsible for the crap it sends over here, instead, thousands of small business owners are closing their doors..capitalism does work, but it's being killed by laws and regulations.The idea that the government needs to get involved in every aspect and control things is what's killing capitalism in this country. And, if socialism is so wonderful, why are people from countries that have socialized medicine coming to the US for treatment?
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

Not so fast, I'm a bit confused by your position. Stop me and point out exactly where I am getting lost. So you are one of thousands of small-business owners in a Capitalist society and (surprise-surprise) where you had to close your business due to unfair fees on testing regulations. Correct so far? But you are blaming Socialism for the expensive testing? Why do you blame Socialism? Where is it that you think regulatory laws are Socialistic? i.e. "The idea that government needs to get involved in every aspect and control things is what's killing capitalism in this country." These regulations are indeed created by the American Legislation and enforced by the Judicial system, but their influence to instate such laws does not derive from these Socialist Presidents describe or who you perceive them to be, and is not by who most Americans commonly believe has the most influence over a nation. You see, you claim "We've been moving toward socialism since FDR. And, capitalism is being punished," I have news for you, in a Capitalist society, big business trumps all, we've been watching this happen since the Industrial Revolution. It is these big business and over-powered corporations that are driving the regulations on this market economy. Alright, I fear that you have misconstrued the definition of Democratic Socialism. And we could each spend an hour on this site a day writing everything we want to say, but yet no one will budge. In all probability we would just leave with further reinforced beliefs for our ideologies. This is not progressive, nor the point of debate. It surely is an addictive game we play, politics. So all I'm saying is please do some research, be sure that you know what Capitalism, and Socialism really mean, and there places and positions today. Be sure that you are able to critically analyze social situations without a majority reference. QUESTION EVERYTHING (something the American people have forgotten to how to do) and re-educate yourself so you can back up your arguments. Because if you don't know your facts, than you are just another ignorant person throwing your weight around because it feels good.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

I want to read this book. I have to read this book. I love how it describes money as a good thing. Thats what I have always been saying. I hate when people associate money with greed and corruption. It's so cliche. I have a very liberal friend who once told me: "Yeah, I know, my man Paul (Ron Paul) is out. He didn't have enough money. Most great honest men don't have allot of money."That is simply un-true. from Atlas Shrugged, © Copyright, 1957, by Ayn Rand."Money is made--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.'"Brilliant.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Careful.The problem with "Atlas Shrugs" (a great book I'll admit)is it deals with extremes.Money is not evil certainly.But always remember, it is not good either.It is exactly like every tool every human has ever had his hands on.It can be used in any way any individual chooses.And the way he chooses to use it, has very little to do with how he got it.Hopefully that makes sense to you.But definitely read the book.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Yeah, I see what you're saying, like a hammer is a good and useful but you could hit somebody in the head with it over and over again until they are dead. A victim might hate hammers, say that nobody should have to use hammers, that we should do away with hammers, and target people that have lots of hammers because they are dangerous. Well, in that case we should make laws against using hammers in a violent way.Money has good potential. Money is as good as the person that has it. Some people do a lot of good with hammers, but some people are murderers. :\
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

There are problems with every form of government and society, I'm sure. Capitalism is great because it allows people to actually work for their money and understand the value of it. Socialism could be a problem for the same reason because the poorest people in society would then be getting, in a way, government hand-outs and would not appreciate them. Suddenly, they realize they don't need to try as hard and the former upper class is working harder to maintain stability in society. Then they realize there's no point in doing this and society collapses.Now, if we were all robots or if we all actually wanted to work together without laziness or greed or jealousy, then yes, I'm sure socialism could definitely work. In fact, I think it could work on a much smaller scale in some cases.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is better than socialism. In socialism, "We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork." Milton FriedmanHowever, America has a mixed economy, which mean that it has the best of capitalism and socialism.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism because if you think what socialism is like, there would be no chance for you to make more money than anyone else, your house would be the exact same, people would all get bored because there is nothing different about socialism. If your in Capitalism, you have the chance to rise from the poor side to the high side. You just have to take a risk.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

here is the deal socialism would work if people were perfect but since we are not power hungry thugs always take control after socialist revolutions and really honestly in the hundred plus years socialism has been tried when has it ever worked and evolved into the utopia that socialists always promise it will
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

I like Capitalism more mainly because it's a system where the beneficiaries are determined by the people and not the government. Now, it does create disadvantages in some ways, such as stupid people having shit jobs and shit wages, but that is their problem. Everyone's problems belongs to themselves. No one is burdened by another person's mistakes.Under Socialism, you are obligated to help those who surely don't deserve what you have. As a CEO, you've sacrificed everything in order to make money. A social life, a family, all your happiness. Everything you loss in order to become some of the richest of the rich. But, the government feels that you are no harder a worker than a construction worker just because he has to carry heavy shit. So, everything you sacrifice means nothing at all. Your wage is redistributed to everyone else, through both government aid and social programs. You are no longer able to shop around for the better buy, the government owns everything now. You must stick to insurance that you find mediocre, doctors that have reputations for wrong side surgery and cars that don't go fast enough or last long enough.Technology progression will be at an all time low and Goals of improvement will be stricken since you are now in a classless society. Life will become meaningless.to be honest though, i personally believe that we shouldn't be purely Capitalist, but is sure as fuck is better than pure socialism. I also don't believe in the middle ground such as Fascism or Social Democracy... i like a good lean towards Capitalism.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

"Capitalism... because it's a system where the beneficiaries are determined by the people and not the government"I see two problems with this statement.1) A democratic government is government of the people, by the people, for the people. Yes it has its issues, but votes represent the will of the people better than the stuff they purchase.2) Capitalism tends to promote monopolies and oligarchies. People don't get to choose who the beneficiaries are when there's only one or only a few companies to buy from.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

I'm seriously tired of this ridiculous misinformation. Stop confusing socialism with communism!Second, the money that is payed to some CEO's is absurd. Your argument is incredibly weak and should I say...stupid. If you haven't noticed your money, right now, is being distributed to social programs. Your assumption of a classless society that will result in a decrease in technology progression is old and it sounds repeated right out of a McCarthyistict point of view.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

old or not, it is true. actually, based on common sense. it only sounds stupid to you because you have your head stuck in a very dark, evil place.McCarthy... good one. i could just throw out Marx and it will have the same effect. actually, Marx is on point, since it is part of his philosophy. McCarthy just wanted to throw anyone he wanted into jail and decided to call them communist. total fallacy.CEO's make their money based off of the people, not the government. that's why, despite how "absurd" it may be, it was done fairly.with less ability to PROGRESS in the work force, the less ability to PROGRESS in technology. people are highly motivated by the ability to make a SHITLOAD of money. with government determining who deserves what, it is unlikely that inventors will make that shit load of money, or your average worker will work his ass off to get that raise. Communism is the militant force to push Socialism onto a country, i wasn't confusing anything.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

I can't agree with you. Dark evil place, was that necessary? No I've actually lived in a socialistic country and guess what? They're getting along just fine. This is just a typical argument from the "entitled view" from the US. You are a very typical common sense using ignorant fool. CEO's wages are done fairly?! I can't agree with you on that either. Some are and some are not. You just have to face the truth. It being based off of what's fair is the part that is absurd. I've worked in large corporations it is just another joke. Some of the worst decisions, loss of quality, and mundane tasks are just a few things you can look forward to. Let me add that SOME people are motivated by the ability to make a shitload of money. There are also people that are also non-monetarily motivated. When you base everything off of money you get is just that; A system run off of greed. There is more to life than the accumulation of money. Actually Communism is not the militant force to push socialism onto a country. Communism deals with politics and socialism deals with economics. Looks like McCarthyism runs true in your blood. Why else would you assign militant force to communism? Where do you read this?
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Communist Manifesto was a violent overthrow by the Working Class. and every Communist country decided that it must execute or imprison those who do not run well with ideology. so yes, it's militant.you don't have to agree with me, but don't say it's stupid to say something that's DEBATABLE.CEO's wages are done fairly because it is not given by a more powerful force than the people (God, Gun or Government). That's actually the only fair way to do things because it leaves it all to the people. Socialism is unfair because the government determines wages.Well, most progression was based off evil actually (Holocaust and all Wars). But second to that is basic greed. although, stuff like iPods and efficient computers are achieved through greed. Although, true innovations were succeeded through people determining how to kill the enemy (hell, the screw was created during the inquisition).socialistic country? do you mean social democracies? (which are NOT truly socialist). or do you mean really socialist countries? (like Cuba or the old Soviet Union).
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

Here is a wonderful picture of capitalism at its best: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2502546838698762400&q=Prescription+For+Disaster This just deals with the pharma companies. "CEO's wages are done fairly because it is not given by a more powerful force than the people (God, Gun or Government)."Government is made up of people. People are selected by other people to form government. How is that a greater force than people when it's made up of them? Capitalism is in no way just. In capitalism, the more money you have the more power you attain no matter what your agenda.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

it's a majority suppressing a minority. through capitalism, the people have the ability to individually make their decision. the government itself creates laws based only on the majority.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

I love what most of your argument is based on, cause it sucks so bad.anyway, racism, corruption, and police brutality are all flaws of the government. Sure, it seeps it's way into the economic status, but converting from capitalism to socialism isn't somehow going to make these government issues better. It seems that all of YOUR problems with Capitalism are just based on YOUR problems with people and government.sure, there is unfairness, but giving government more power isn't going to solve our problems.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

Way to be a real defeatist.Do you think this is some kind of trade-off? That we just have to get used to all this? What about the minorities? People are dying over money, this petty sheet of green-fiber we carry around in our pockets that really ends up defining who you get to be in life. I'm tired of 'Capitalism is great if you're white.' But we act like it doesn't exist. Because it doesn't directly reflect us, because we aren't the minority. If you won't stand up for them, who will? You are right about one thing though, I do have a problem with people. But unlike you I don't accept defeat, because this isn't just "Something we all have to deal with." A Socialist government would greatly reduce these acts of greed and inequality. I see great potential for people in a classless society, where at least I know that my government will take care of me. I believe it will actually solve a lot of our problems. Not all, but enough that it's worth fighting for. And this isn't some fairy-land for me, contrary to the typical America belief, Socialist Democracies can and do function all over the world. Ever been to Sweden?
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

Ever been to Ireland? Very Capitalist and very prosper. Maybe it has more to do with the size than the economic make up.As well, I guess you believe that there are no rich Jews, blacks, asians, hispanics, etc.I mean, if that were true, you'd be onto something.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Socialism

Alright, so maybe the problem is size, lets think about size. How does one fairly govern 300 million people? By looking in the interests of those 300 million. But the problem is that while the interests of the upper-middle class are already met, there are still people in poverty who still need their basic needs met. Ever heard of 'Maslow's hierarchy of needs?' Maslow states that before people can fulfill their wants, they of course have to have their needs met including access to clean water, food, shelter, etc...According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 12.7% of Americans live below the poverty line which is about 35.9 Million people of ALL RACES. Of this 35.9 Million, 12.9 million are children. The problem in America is that the Middle-class is disappearing, which means the economic gap between the impoverished and the 'well-to-do' is drastically increasing. Is this fair? Capitalism says 'Yes!' Capitalism says 'It is their fault they are starving.' Of course, how stupid they must be, why don't they just go out and get a better-paying job? Stupid lazy, starving people.So who do you think is responsible for widening this gap? The government? You, me? The answer is none of the above. The responsibility lies not in the government, but by the greediness of major corporations, monopolizing America and taking advantage of America's lax-laws on regulation. These corporation represent the economic gap every day, by paying the minimum wage to most of their employees which shows no sign of changing, yet the payout to Corporate employees, such as CEOs, Presidents and VPs, has increased by a factor of 10 in the last 20 years. Let me ask you something, do you know how to raise a family on $7.25 an hour? If so, let me know and I'll go ahead and relay that to the 35.9 million of us. We need to recognize that perhaps poverty happens because people are not presented with equal opportunities, and that perhaps Capitalism is not helping because it neglects the interests of the impoverished. How is poverty supposed to disappear when these corporations who directly support it are growing everyday, taking over small towns, shutting down their small businesses and increasing the amount of Americans who are being payed minimum wage?Look, I'm not asking for you to change yourself and become some radical Socialist revolutionary, all I'm asking is for you to recognize this as a problem, and agree that something needs to be done. If you can do that, then I tip my hat off to you and I will move on.
Debate: Socialism vs Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

A brain surgeon SHOULD be payed more than a janitor because there are fewer brain surgeons and it is indeed harder. As for the "you start off poor, you end up poor" argument, that's complete BS. Everyone in this country has access to school and healthcare, and unless you're tied down to a chair, you have the same opportunity as everyone else. How do the poor pay for college?LoansCommunity CollegeIf they're smart enough or play a sport, a scholarship. I was a liberal for a long time and I was just ignoring the truth.
Debate: Socialism vs. Capitalism
Side: Socialism

Ideally socialism would be able to guarantee living standards which promote creativity, invention, and the progression of humanity. With basic needs meant individuals would be able to contribute to society according to their strengths instead of being forced to contribute according to survival.Capitalism after only a couple of generations at its best only can act as a replacement for darwin-type survival, where instead of survival depending on speed, strength, and brains, it depends on your parents' means, and if they pass money and property down to you. These are sort of the extreme conclusions of each theory.So ideally, socialism is a better system for humanity, and I fully expect some form of it will need to be adopted at some point in our evolution.Our brains aren't there yet though. We are too greedy, lazy, and corruptible for a socialist society to last. We seem to do best when we use the competitive nature of capitalism, with social strategies that ensure the rich are not able to stifle all opportunity for the rest of humanity through the influence that comes from money.We need balance in all things at this point. Money against the power of representation, rights against special interests, media against government, social economic provisions against capitalist incentive; all butting heads to ensure an extreme doesn't allow for the few to lord over the many--which has been the case through most of human history, and still is for the majority of humans outside of westernized societies, by the way.
Debate: Socialism vs. Capitalism
Side: Socialism

I pretty much agree with every point you made. What scares me is the continuing presence of free-market ideology (read extreme capitalism) in academia. Extreme ideologies are always bad. always. With that said. The goal of socialism is beautiful and poetic. The goal of capitalism is cold and calculating. Social attempts to harness our better, more moral instincts- love of our fellow man. Capitalism makes a general rule of one of our most base- personal greed. For that reason, I choose socialism.
Debate: Socialism vs. Capitalism
Side: Capitalism

The goal of socialism is beautiful and poetic.The effect of socialism is poverty.The goal of capitalism is cold and calculating.The effect of capitalism is a higher standard of living for everyone in the society.Capitalism makes a general rule of one of our most base- personal greed.Capitalism has each of us competing to fulfil the needs of our fellow man. Whoever does this the best, prospers the most.