azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

1. My point was that outside of the stories of the bible, there is no evidence whatsoever that God destroys evil. If God were so good and so powerful, why wouldn't he? I would say this makes him an accomplice to evil.He has, in Christ Jesus our Lord! He has destroyed it so that all may come to accept His free gift of eternal life! All those who do not will be dealt destruction. 2. An eye for an eye was a dictate created by God. Hence, God is evil.How is it evil?3. The very definition of submission is the acting of yield to a superior force or power. If one thing is superior to another, it is arguably more valuble.Jesus submitted to the will of His parents. This does not mean that He is lesser than they. It simply means that He was serving them and doing as they asked of Him. He was superior than they, and He was shown to be superior than they because the least are the greatest: those who serve and submit are those who are held up.4. Community service and debt repayment is not slavery in and of itself. In both of those situations people enter into a contract voluntarily, the antithesis of slavery. Slavery is coercive.This is what slavery meant when the Bible was written. If you don't want to apply historical context, then do not argue for or against the Bible. But if you want to argue with historical context, then you can only lean to support the Bible, in that it supports the slavery of criminals, for community service, and for debt repayment.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

1. No, he hasn't. Evil still exists, hence God has not destroyed it at all. If there is a God and he has the power to stop child molestation, murder, rape, genocide, etc., then he is not doing it. He is therefore an accomplice to it.2. I could argue a couple reasons it is, but in the very least it is less good than intermittent or even consistent forgiveness.3. Whether or not Jesus was "superior" is, so far, complete conjecture on your part. All other things being equal, if object X is superior to object Y, how is object Y of equal or greater value than object X?4. Actually, if you would like to argue with historical context, you also have to include the non-Jew slaves, who were not made slaves as per any agreement but were forced into slavery by the Jews. What you talked about applied only to Jew slaves. So try again.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

1. No, he hasn't. Evil still exists, hence God has not destroyed it at all. If there is a God and he has the power to stop child molestation, murder, rape, genocide, etc., then he is not doing it. He is therefore an accomplice to it.He has offered Jesus as the propitiation for these things, so that one might be seen as Holy and blameless before God. He has taken that which sin demanded.2. I could argue a couple reasons it is, but in the very least it is less good than intermittent or even consistent forgiveness.This is a civic law of the Jews, not a moral law. It was how they were to deal with the world.3. Whether or not Jesus was "superior" is, so far, complete conjecture on your part. All other things being equal, if object X is superior to object Y, how is object Y of equal or greater value than object X?Who said that submission means that one is inferior? It simply means to serve as if under. I can submit my teacher, but she is not necessarily superior to I.4. Actually, if you would like to argue with historical context, you also have to include the non-Jew slaves, who were not made slaves as per any agreement but were forced into slavery by the Jews. What you talked about applied only to Jew slaves. So try again.As I said, they were criminals. They were declared to be so by God. Hence, the historical context is still applicable.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. You are now changing your argument. Please first acknowledge that God has not destroyed evil before suddenly changing topics.B. It was one of God's laws, wasn't it?C. That is the very definition of it. If you have an issue with that take it up with people who compile definitions.D. This goes back to our argument about whether or not it is good to do evil to evil. It would seem contradictory to state so.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. You are now changing your argument. Please first acknowledge that God has not destroyed evil before suddenly changing topics.In what sense are you referring to the destroying of evil? God destroyed evil, in that Christ took upon Himself the merit of sin. We do not live in evil, since we are in His righteousness.B. It was one of God's laws, wasn't it?Laws are not continual if they apply to certain people for a certain time. For example, some commands might be directed at a specific person, or people.C. That is the very definition of it. If you have an issue with that take it up with people who compile definitions.Thats not the definition of it, though.... haha submission simply means to act in accordance with the will of another. This does not infer that one is actually superior to you. You are using a definition that is not an actual definition of the word "submit"D. This goes back to our argument about whether or not it is good to do evil to evil. It would seem contradictory to state so.Evil does not justify evil. But slavery is not inherently evil.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. "put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it."I have seen no "end to the existence" of evil by any means.B. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"C. Ok, I'll concede this point, although I still think it's arguable that superior implies higher value.D. If evil does not justify evil, then how is God justified in committing evil? And how is the ownership of another human being not evil?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. "put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it." / I have seen no "end to the existence" of evil by any means.Outside of Christ who has become the burden of evil for us, alleviating death from us, God is waiting patiently for all to take place before He calls His people home. B. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"What about it? You do realize that Christ is saying here that He came to fulfill the Law and Prophets, which is to say that He came to die, as the Messiah, for the sins of the world, being perfect and blameless before the Law, taking our sin because we cannot fulfill the Law. Because Christ fulfilled the Law for us, when we do have to fulfill the Law, we are no longer required to submit to the Law. And even if you don't accept that version of interpretation, which is backed up in Romans (specifically look at 6:14), then you can argue that simply because He did not come to abolish the law, not all laws, as I said before, are applicable to everyone. If I say that command X is for community Y, then if I say that the law is not abolished, which includes command X, then it follows that community Y still has to follow it, but that does not mean that people in Community Z must follow it.D. If evil does not justify evil, then how is God justified in committing evil? And how is the ownership of another human being not evil?How has God committed evil? How is the ownership of another person evil?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. Please do not detract from the argument. Retract your initial claim and then we can proceed.B. It also says that Christ did not come to abolish the laws, which is to say they are not abolished. Shall I look up the definition of abolish for you as well? Please demonstrate where it says that all or some laws were only meant for certain groups of people at certain times. I am aware of other passages in the bible which would refute this, though.D. I suppose you will have to provide a definition of evil to which we will need to come to a consensus on, then.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. Please do not detract from the argument. Retract your initial claim and then we can proceed.How am I detracting from the argument?B. It also says that Christ did not come to abolish the laws, which is to say they are not abolished. Shall I look up the definition of abolish for you as well? Please demonstrate where it says that all or some laws were only meant for certain groups of people at certain times. I am aware of other passages in the bible which would refute this, though."For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well." Hebrews 7:12Hebrews 10:18 states that with Christ we do not need to do sacrificial laws any more: "Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin."So there are multiple places which say that we are not required to do the things of the law any more. The reason for this is in the verse you cited. Christians are no longer under the law because Christ fulfilled the law. He did not relax on commandment not rule of God, making Him holy and blameless. He took our place. Thus, we live by the law of grace, not by the law of Moses. This theological theme is in most of Paul's writings.D. I suppose you will have to provide a definition of evil to which we will need to come to a consensus on, then.Evil is that which God hates. Evil is that which is not loving your neighbor as yourself with reverence to God.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

1. No, he hasn't. Evil still exists, hence God has not destroyed it at all. If there is a God and he has the power to stop child molestation, murder, rape, genocide, etc., then he is not doing it. He is therefore an accomplice to itIf God eliminated all of the evil in this world. Would you and I still exist if He eliminated all of it?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Hypothetically, given that God is omnipotent, I don't see why not.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Eternal punishment for temporary sins, with the sinner given an unknown but surely brief amount of time to discover his/her creator's specific and arguably counter-intuitive rules and then believe them despite the fact that this belief frequently flies in the face of the strong reasoning ability said creator imbued the sinner with is a pretty dickish move. Especially since one of this sins is not believing and worshiping something that refuses to operate on the same logical principles that said sinner is forced (by the creator) to live in.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Eternal punishment for temporary sinsThe sins are not temporary. The soul lives on. Only the body decays.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

You have to be able to establish two things for that philosophy to hold water:a) that the soul even exists in the first place.b) even if souls can be proven to exist, how is it that these sins have an indelible, permanent effect on them.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

They argument you posted before this was stated in the instance of the existence of God and his works. It logically follows that a soul would exist. If this is the case the sin is not temporary since the soul still exists.  even if souls can be proven to exist, how is it that these sins have an indelible, permanent effect on them.I would logically imagine that the state of the soul would reveal it's permanent effects. If the soul is in a state of joy or in a state of distress. I don't understand why your second point was even said. I also wouldn't call them absolutely indelible since God is capable of anything.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

If this is the case the sin is not temporary since the soul still exists.Fair enough. However that just supports my stance. The soul may be eternal, but the body clearly isn't. Yet it is during that very brief amount of time that we have that physical body that our actions effect the eternal time we do not. This might be a little more acceptable if that time frame was the same for all people, or if we didn't have to spend the first 20+ years learning pretty much everything about our surroundings and letting our brains develop to the point where we can be properly responsible for these actions. But we don't have those, and we don't have equal or universal exposure to Biblical teachings. This seems like a mean-spirited set of circumstances for a benevolent being to place his favorite children in. I would logically imagine that the state of the soul would reveal it's permanent effects. If the soul is in a state of joy or in a state of distress.We are going in circles here. My question is, why is it right to let actions whose effects will be inconsequential within weeks or years determine the eternal state of the soul? Is it better to continuously punish someone or let them learn from their mistakes and grow? And why should our belief in God and the divinity of Jesus have any bearing on that anyway? It all sounds like ruling by fear rather than by compassion and logic. I also wouldn't call them absolutely indelible since God is capable of anything.But chooses not to once the physical body dies. Why give us a very finite and unknown amount of time to repent? Why can't we, upon seeing the final consequences first-hand, change our ways in the afterlife?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

However that just supports my stance. The soul may be eternal, but the body clearly isn't. Yet it is during that very brief amount of time that we have that physical body that our actions effect the eternal time we do not.This is against your initial stance. Your existence is infinite. The impact you have in relationship to God is eternal and shall always exist. We are going in circles here. My question is, why is it right to let actions whose effects will be inconsequential within weeks or years determine the eternal state of the soul? It's the actions of one's entire life and everything they do with it that is judged. If one murders another they can still be saved. This seems like a mean-spirited set of circumstances for a benevolent being to place his favorite children inIt's only mean spirited in the subjective. Not the objective. It all sounds like ruling by fear rather than by compassion and logic.He is ruling in the sense of compassion for those who choose to follow. Those that do not only open themselves up to evil. God is not bound by logic.  Why give us a very finite and unknown amount of time to repent? Why can't we, upon seeing the final consequences first-hand, change our ways in the afterlife?Deprivation of free will and true love. Also a lack of God which still allows evil to proliferate.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Your existence is infinite. The impact you have in relationship to God is eternal and shall always exist.Why allow us and our relationship with God to be mutable for a blink of an eye (especially when we have so many other things to deal with during that blink, and are always at least a little ignorant of reality during that time) and allow the repercussions to carry on for infinity. He placed us squarely within a world of change, and our perceptions are based on that change. Then, before we can properly get the hang of THAT, poof we must stagnate for an eternity that we can't even conceive of while we are forced to decide. Its like asking a person who was born blind to pick a painting, then forcing them to live in the painting forever. It's the actions of one's entire life and everything they do with it that is judged. If one murders another they can still be saved.Saved only by fear of hell, not by realizing why what they did was wrong. Its giving a cheat code to a select group of people and encouraging them to give up before they even try to beat the game. Those that do not only open themselves up to evil.Too absolutionist. People can come to fully secular reasoning why things like murder and rape are wrong.  God is not bound by logic. But WE are. Why allow logic to be so darned useful in the materiel world if it has absolutely no bearing in his? Deprivation of free will and true love.That is a cop out if you believe that God is truly omnipotent and omniscient. Just because we can't conceive of a way of reconciling free will with a reality where we don't suffer does not mean he could not. Also a lack of God which still allows evil to proliferate.Plenty of evil has been done in God's name. Lots of gangbangers believe in God but they still run around killing and stealing. Meanwhile, atheists are underrepresented in jail. At the very least, belief in God seems irrelevant to whether a person will do evil, at the worst that very belief can cause more suffering.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Why allow us and our relationship with God to be mutable for a blink of an eye  I think it's longer than a blink of an eye. Its years. Many years in fact  and allow the repercussions to carry on for infinity. Don't know the exact answer to that. I know that the deity can do whatever it wishes. Especially since it rules over all. So one set of rules it ordains will ne picked over any others. I don't know. Does that help? Sorry. That is a good question. Then, before we can properly get the hang of THAT, poof we must stagnate for an eternity that we can't even conceive of while we are forced to decide. Its like asking a person who was born blind to pick a painting, then forcing them to live in the painting forever.It's more like telling you a way to have eternal peaceful life. Saved only by fear of hellAnd the grace of God. not by realizing why what they did was wrongI think someone is aware of their doings. But WE are. Why allow logic to be so darned useful in the materiel world if it has absolutely no bearing in his?He is the creator of logic therefore he is above logic. You canmot use logic to deduce God. It is below him. That is a cop out if you believe that God is truly omnipotent and omniscient. How is he not both? Explain. Plenty of evil has been done in God's nameWhat evil? God cannot perform evil tasks. God cannot do evil. Also all his actions are good. They are only deemed good or bad by society which is the collective body of the subjective. It cannot logically serve as thw objective. Lots of gangbangers believe in God but they still run around killing and stealing. Okay? What does that have to do with God's omnibenevolence? Meanwhile, atheists are underrepresented in jail.The need more representatiom then. I wouldn't mind supporting that. At the very least, belief in God seems irrelevant to whether a person will do evil, True. People can commit acts of evil. at the worst that very belief can cause more suffering.I agree. For some it causes suffering.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Its years. Many years in factEven if you lived to be 200, that is virtually nothing compared to eternity. Its virtually nothing compared to a million years, which means nothing compared to 5 billion years, which would be a drop in the bucket compared to 5 trillion years....etc. I think someone is aware of their doings.In some cases, although people with certain mental/emotional conditions (conditions given to them by God, mind you) will be unable to see what is wrong with certain actions. But there are a lot of things that are not inherently obvious to all people. A gay person won't feel that following their heart is objectively wrong. A person who has never read the OT is not going to have any reason to believe that working on the Sabbath is bad. So on and so on. He is the creator of logic therefore he is above logic. You canmot use logic to deduce God. It is below him.I know, that is my point. Why should we be held accountable for his beliefs when we can't properly fathom them. We, and the world we observe, are bound purely by logic, and he put us in that set of circumstances. Its like blaming your cat for disgusting you with dead animal carcasses presented to you in bed. The cat is just following its instincts, and its your fault for letting it go outside in the first place. How is he not both? Explain.I didn't say that. I said "if YOU believe that he is" then by your definition it is fully within his power and imagination to have arranged reality in such a way so that these things are not mutually incompatible. What evil? God cannot perform evil tasks. I wasn't talking about his actions, I was talking about actions performed in his name. Holy wars, witch hunts, persecution of scientists...Okay? What does that have to do with God's omnibenevolence?In reference to the idea that believing in him promotes good. My whole point was that said belief does not inherently promote good, is not required to be good, does not universally forestall evil. The need more representatiom then. I wouldn't mind supporting that.By jailing them when they have broken no laws?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Even if you lived to be 200, that is virtually nothing compared to eternity. Its virtually nothing compared to a million years, which means nothing compared to 5 billion years, which would be a drop in the bucket compared to 5 trillion years....etc.The chronological mechanism of time still remains constant. You still logically have a while. In some cases, although people with certain mental/emotional conditions (conditions given to them by God, mind you) will be unable to see what is wrong with certain actions. Given by sin you mean? I uneerstand that. God may take care of that. A gay person won't feel that following their heart is objectively wrong. A person who has never read the OT is not going to have any reason to believe that working on the Sabbath is bad. So on and so on.I know. Most old testament law is non applicable in the modern era.Why should we be held accountable for his beliefs when we can't properly fathom them. You can fathom rules. You cannot fathom God. Its like blaming your cat for disgusting you with dead animal carcasses presented to you in bed. The cat is just following its instincts, and its your fault for letting it go outside in the first place.Umm, no.I wasn't talking about his actions, I was talking about actions performed in his name. Holy wars, witch hunts, persecution of scientists...Yet, that is not God himself. So it does not affect him.By jailing them when they have broken no laws?Oh sorry. I thought you meant that Atheists on jail go unheard. Sorry.