azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

I would like to present the following thoughts to you.The soul, or consciousness as I call it, is so pure and "godly" that it never gets tainted. It never turns to the "dark side". It never sins. Therefore it is never guilty. The soul's existence is infinite.On the other side, cohabiting the body, is the human mind. A great and powerful tool. So powerful in fact that it can overpower the carrier and trap him into a false self/ego and make him a slave. Unlike the soul, the mind is very easily tainted. It can sin and it can commit horrible acts while caught up in its self preservation games. The brain's existence is finite.The carrier (human) that has completely identified and given into the mind, at some point will commit "sins". If the human is still in touch with his soul/consciousness, a sense of guilt will emerge. Because when the acts and thoughts of the mind are exposed to the light of consciousness, they come shattering down and turn to ashes. At this point the person is likely to put things wright and make amends, thus allowing a fresh start with no debt.If on the other hand the person is refusing to acknowledge guilt, or is far out of touch with their consciousness to see their actions, then that person will remain a slave of the brain. And pay the price for it. Because, make no mistake, they will suffer the consequences of their actions, even if they don't see the cause for their suffering.In short, all your sins are committed by your brain. The brain is finite and so are the sins it commits. The brain does not transcend into eternity after your death. It dies along with your body. If your brain committed sins, you will have paid and suffered for all of them in your lifetime. Therefore when you die, there is no debt left. Your soul, being innocent, is free to transcend. So ultimately there is no eternal hell. You suffer here and now.I will also address your comments about our relationship to other people and how God is involved. It is not a coincidence that the core message delivered by Jesus was forgiveness. He was calling for us to be in touch with our consciousness. When you do that, when you do not allow your brain to be caught up in a game of revenge, you acknowledge the violator for what they are: a person whose pure soul is trapped under the manifestations of a destructive mind. A person that is suffering. When you do that, you find peace and joy regardless of how bad the violator acts against you. You can defend your wellbeing without giving in to your brain's cries for revenge, retaliation and wish for eternal punishment.Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Remember that?So where is God in all this? Well, since we are all guilty of giving in to our brain at some point or another, it makes no sense for the Creator to start getting involved. He has given us all the key to joy: forgiveness.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Other

I don't think that the people who aren't in the "right" religion or the religion chosen by God won't go to hell.I like the plan of the after life that Mormons have it makes the MOST sense out of all other religions...
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Becoming a God? Hardly, if we were God's by nature then that would shine through in our life, which it doesn't. In order to state truthfully that Mormons are right, you must prove most parts of Christianity and then make a leap to proving the legitimacy of Joseph Smith and his reading golden plates through stones.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

They believe that they must earn the right to be gods.Care to explain this?:Back in the good ole'days of Joseph Smith the Tombs in Egypt were being opened up and discovered by Britain. A man had a Papyrus scroll that he had translated in Britain and then he brought it over to America. He wanted to see if this Joseph Smith was a real "Translator" or "Modern Day Prophet".Smith took the Papyrus and went to his translating room and translated it and gave it to this man.The translation was the exact same.Tell me how can a uneducated Young Adult who grew up on a Farm and had no schooling whatsoever translate that?And have it be 100% Accurate?That (and others) Papyrus Scroll ended up being the Book of Abraham.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

http://www.mormoninfo.org/Scroll down to the middle of the section concerning Gods. Mormonism directly states that believers in the faith can become Gods. Human beings may become Gods for other worlds as God is God for this world."Worthy Mormons may become gods to create, rule over and receive worship from their own worlds some day. They will do this exclusively as the god or the team of gods for that world or that set of worlds (like the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are for this world or this set of worlds), and thus the God of this world will not perform those functions there (Ibid; D&C76:50-8 and 95, 132:15-23, 29, and 37; and Gospel Principles, 302 [1997 edition])."And as far as concerning your facts about Joseph Smith translating a scroll which he had no knowledge of being divinely inspired, its simply wrong.What is more likely?1. Joseph Smith was led by God to translate these scrolls correctly.2. The event never happened, and was fabricated to add credibility to Mormonism during the creation of the religion.3. You got fucking lied to.My vote is for both 2 and 3.What about you?Which is more likely? Is there a more likely scenario that i didn't articulate?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Joseph Smith was actually translating BEFORE Champollion deciphered the Rosetta Stone. Nobody at the time was able to read Egyptian hieroglyphs. The parchments which Joseph Smith translated into the Book of Abraham came to light recently, along with documents verifying their authenticity. They were then looked over by Egyptologists, who translated them to the best of their ability. This is a documentary based on their findings. It's about an hour long so be warned. I have watched it in its entirety, and I recommend it to everybody, whether you're religious or not.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Interesting

Ignorance is not allowable here.First let me tell you something. The scrolls that he received were written in something called "Demotic Script\". NOT Egyptian Hieroglyphs. This was almost entirely deciphered in 1814 by Briton Thomas Young. He published his findings, and they would be easily acquired by someone with as much money behind him as Joseph Smith.Demotic was coined in 1822, when the entire alphabet of the language was deciphered.http://www.brighthub.com/education/languages/articles/29354.aspx Jean-François Champollion completed deciphering almost all of the language on the Rosetta Stone. He died in 1835. Let me also state that the institute presenting the ideas of this Mormon scripture is extremely biased. They firstly do not explain that the language used to write on the papyrus scrolls was Demotic, and not Egyptian Hieroglyphics. The small fragments that had Egyptian Hieroglyphics were not deciphered by Joseph Smith.He lied, and i suppose the video and scientific research support this.Also, the Institute for Religious Research used to be known as Gospel Truths Ministries. They produced Christian apologetic material most of the time.Which is why they really attempted to discredit Mormonism and to credit Christianity with truth.I hate to use wiki material, but i double checked it and i suggest you do too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demotic_(Egyptian) Compare the symbols with these http://www.irr.org/mit/boa-papyrus-js11.html The video was nice, and i watched the whole thing.Also, read this, it explains Mormonismhttp://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mormonand watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8hLbqdrQug
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Hey, the title of this debate sounds, well, just like another debate I know. Check it out
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

You have to ask for his forgiveness then you will be saved
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

No because there is no hell nor is there a god so we're safe.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Other

Unless the rules of heaven and hell also govern God. Maybe there are divine laws he can't circumvent. Maybe if you do x he must put you in hell. Maybe he's only God because he obeys these laws (i.e. God cannot be God if he is evil). If person x shoots person y and kills him and then God says to person x it's ok, come to heaven, person y was denied justice, and God is supposedly just.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes but for reasons we can't understand

I say yes. If there is a higher power, whatever thought process he/she/it uses to make its decision has to be so far from our comprehension that we could never even hope to understand their motives. If whatever higher power there is decides to send someone to "hell", its reasons would probably be different from what we'd expect.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

We(the LDS religion) believe hell to be separation from god. Not an actual place with fire and lava. Just merely a lower heavenly kingdom. (we believe there are three). So yes a benevolent God would give people the choice to be with god or not through their actions. That's the point of why we are here.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

O.o... without God, can it even be heavenly? Without God, in whom everything good is and who is goodness itself, can it?NO.Quod erat demonstrandum.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

We(the LDS religion) believe hell to be separation from god. Not an actual place with fire and lava. Just merely a lower heavanly kingdom. (we believe there are three). So yes a benevolent God would give people the choice to be with god or not through their actions. That's the point of why we are here.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Jeremiah 29 -13

I didn't feel comfortable with answering on either sides of this debate. I believe God knows all things. If a person seeks truth, or realizes there must be something bigger or better than them (a creator) Then God will make sure that person heres the truth. No matter what culture they live in. "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. - Romans 1:20 " Every man has a chance to believe in God. Jeremiah 29:13 - "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."Every man and women has a chance to believe. Jeremiah 29:13 =
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

I did not read the whole thing and i honestly cannot answer that question and i believe no one else can you will find out on judgement day what the most just and benevolent of all beings decides. I would like to add that every person should see there is a god so that would not be an issue but whether or not they choose allah or god changes things i think.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

But if you think about it, that doesn't really make sense, now does it?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

The idea of a benevolent God sending people to hell is a false premise. First of all let me use these analogies:1/I loved someone so much that I sent hundreds of my friends to help them, but because of ignorance, indifference and even hostility them rejected that help. So rather than friends I sent close family to strong persuade them and physically show the way of escape. I even sent my close family and finally my son. But they were so enraged that they killed him. Is that a lack of benevolence?2/Suppose I was God and all life was because of me and through me and actual in me. Let us presume that life could not exist outside of me it was just impossible. One day, I created some spiritual beings similar to myself except they lived because of me and not independently because that was impossible. My aim was for them to enjoy life, have fun and love one another, no argument here because I know whats best because I know everything and am perfect. One day someone fooled them into believing I was not perfect, I didn't love them and I didn't know everything. They went on to convince them that life was what they made it and not only because of me.----------------------------------------- So in order not to labour a point too much. Hell is not a place where people are sent, they are thrown. It is a place of weeping, crying and torment. A place not prepared for people but the devil and all those who oppose God. This was never meant to be a place for people. But God created all things and just like a fruit tree that stops producing good fruit, those who feed on unbelief, anti-Christian ideas, practice immoral behaviour and reject Jesus Christ (God) produce bad fruit and are thrown on the fire.God would possibly be considered in-benevolent; if he had not constantly provided a way for us to produce good fruit and escape the corruption of the world, if he had not suffered severely himself to make a way of salvation, if the decision to go to hell was not one that we make now!Hell is a place that is outside the presence of God. To remain in his presence we all need his son.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

Not that they rejected Him....the need is to accept Him as your personal Lord & Saviour.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Not that they rejected Him....the need is to accept Him as your personal Lord & Saviour.A benevolent god cannot send people to hell. The concept of a god is that of absolutes, all-powerful, all-knowing, etc. Being perfectly benevolent means that it is impossible to commit an act that is in any way cruel or hurtful. Therefore, no matter what biblical doctrine you cite, if your god sends people to hell he is not benevolent, if he is benevolent then he cannot send people to hell.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Mind you, to compress God to His benevolent side is to flatten out the issue and to lock yourself in that false premise you've been keeping yourself in.God has a just side too.Going after other gods (note the small 'g') or doctrines is wrong in the eyes of the Creator. Just think: can people get help from things and ideas they fashion themselves? Of course not! Hence people are turning to the wrong gods and doctrines if they pursue them. So while God does want the best, He won't force people to it because He has given us free will, and we will be given what we deserve according to our deeds.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Mind you, to compress God to His benevolent side is to flatten out the issue and to lock yourself in that false premise you've been keeping yourself in.Question: is god perfect?Yes: Then any attribute describing god must be perfect, meaning absolute, infinite.No: Then god is essentially a really powerful alien or sentient being, and cannot be immutable.If god is perfect, and benevolent, then he is absolutely benevolent, which means that he cannot do anything that is evil, malevolent, cruel, malicious, or violent. It's not a matter of choice, infinite benevolence negates the ability to harm.Going after other gods (note the small 'g') or doctrines is wrong in the eyes of the Creator. Just think: can people get help from things and ideas they fashion themselves?You using your computer means that our ideas we fashioned ourselves are helping you.So while God does want the best, He won't force people to it because He has given us free will, and we will be given what we deserve according to our deeds.An infinitely benevolent god cannot punish people. Any action that is harmful, violent, retributive, cruel, etc. cannot be done by an infinitely benevolent being. Free will would therefore be irrelevant. An absolutely benevolent god could no more send you to eternal punishment than you could breathe underwater.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Depends which hell

Without mercy there could be no justice. Correct, but remember:Without justice there would be no mercy.What God says is not only true, but it makes sense, common sense. As the Bible states:The LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, 'The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving-kindness and truth, who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin. Yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished.' - Exodus 34:6-7
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Whatever hell may or may not be, God doesn't send people there, they send themselves there. He provides a way out and people either reject it or take it as a gift. Its their choice. As far as people who have never had a Bible or heard a preacher, I'm sure God is smart enough to provide them a way to believe and to know wihich ones are true to him and which are not. Some American Indian tribes had a deep belief in a creator who provided them with lifes essentials and they had a profound respect for the creator and his gifts to them and in some respects would put many true Christians of today to shame with their level of faith and respect, yet they never had a preacher or a Bible to read. Some of them saw the creation and realized there must be a creator. Just like when you see a painting, you know there is a painter even though you never met him or her. God cannot let wickedness or sin into Heaven and there fore if we choose to reject his provision for us to rid us of our sin through his sacrifice, we send our selves to hell by our own choosing.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

All people on earth is proving evidence that God send people to hell, if hell is on earth.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes guilty people go to hell

We will all be judged by Him... yeah, it sucks, since He doesnt bother to come around much, but we stopped making the rules 2,000 years ago, right?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

I am be a Christian and i read the bible ones a time but if God is like a form of father he would only punish his kids for their crimes according to the degree of crime and should be punished for a small time (put to hell for a given time).But the ones who reject him and worship other gods shall surely be neglected and handed over to the lord of hell.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Other

I'm sorry, but 'lord of hell'. God is the 'lord of hell', for how short 'hell' exists.I assume you're referring to Satan, the Devil, the Dragon (whatever you want to call him), but it's quite clear in the Bible that Satan isn't the 'lord of hell', but will actually be killed in it the same as the wicked. Why should the king of the wicked be exempt from the judgement?Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone."
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

God doesn't "send" anyone to hell. Think of it like this. If you were getting pulled down the river by strong currents about to go over a waterfall and a rope was thrown to you. Would you grab onto it? If you don't you allow yourself to suffer whatever comes. Annihilationism (The theory that you'll will be annihilated in hell and removed from existence)and universalism (That you will eventually get out) are completely unbiblical ideas. Hell is clearly a place of physical torment. Being let out does not solve the problem with sin. If you go to jail for murder and are let out, you're still a murderer. Annhialationism is also completely unjust. Murderers, rapists so forth get away with it all?God is also just. A judge letting everyone off on earth would not be tolerated so why do we expected it from Him?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

God is a God of love and justice, he would never force you into hell, all he does is endorse your decision. What a rotten, evil God he would be if he forced you to be with him if you had always said that you didn't believe in him and wanted nothing to do with him.We have now seen the consequences of parents not disciplining their children, and even animals discipline their off spring. How else can the animal world know what is right and what is wrong. We are born knowing nothing, and it would appear that we do not automatically do good, unless taught and we seem to naturally be selfish, get angry, lazy, jealous, want our own way etc, but we seem to have to be taught to be caring, nice etc.. Imagine a God who says you can do what you like and there are no consequences..I have spoken to people who say that they have experienced something in a near death experience, some say they have experienced wonderful things and some say bad. Look up, Dr Richie's near death experience... he is now a lecturing/Professor. We need to be in a Group hopefully a good church which can teach the why's and fors of things, once I studies it, I understood but it..Guys all I can say is that our lives are stinkin short and if I am wrong when I die I have nothing to loose, but if you are wrong???.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

god endorses your decision to go to a place that you never wanted to go? how do you burn a spirit? that is the mot ridiculous notion ever. or is it the chicken-snake, or the talking donkey? these stories are for childlike minds, and fearful coward, escapist who hate the fact that, like everyone else, they'll someday die
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

It says in order for someone to go to heaven, you have to accept Christ into your heart and confess with thy mouth(called repenting of your sins).ADMIT you are a sinner. Admit that you have been disobedient to God.BELIEVE that Jesus is the Son of God. Believe that he gave his life for you. Believe that he died and rose from the dead.CONFESS your sins to Jesus. He will forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Once again, you argue on scripture alone. You would send more than half the world into eternal torment "because the BIBLE says this". And what if Islam is the right way, or better yet, what if Al Qaeda, the extremists who believe that America and all who call it home are pure evil, are right? You probably think that that is extremely unlikely, but in reality it's no more unlikely than Christianity or any other religion BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF. There is no indication that any one religion is correct over the others except for the word of each individual religion who all claim to be right. Perhaps Christ did die to save us of our sins, but wouldn't you think that in a world where we absolutely had to believe that to be touched by His sacrifice, a benevolent God would make it clear that the Christian faith is His way? And you might think that He has made it clear, but you probably are a part of a Christian family in a Christian nation or have in some way been influenced by Christian people; you probably live in a Christian bubble that, trust me, most people in the world do NOT even have access to. If you had been born in the Middle East you would believe just as strongly in the correctness of the Qu'ran as the word of God and the necessity of your belief in it to eternal happiness.