azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Greed is in the same alley as stupidity and religon. So you are saying that greed is stupid? I would agree with that, but I wouldn't agree that religion is stupid. Many people suffer things in life and previously I have heard countless stories of how people have had religion to fall back on and support them. Human nature is subjective Not all kinds of human nature are subjective, and most kinds can be used to generalise. This is one of those kinds. Religion is a stupid thing ... keeping people stupid ... religion keeps people stupidReligion is not stupid. If you are having a bad time people may always look to God(s) for help if they need it, and this is never a bad thing (having help). If you think that having guidance in your life is a bad thing, then you are wrong. BrainwashedReally? You think people are brainwashed into being religious? Many people turn from atheism to religion. Here is a quote from the link below: Yes, I was an atheist but when I was depressed and someone told me about Jesus I started to follow Him and get baptized(full immersion) and go to Church. Now my life is better and I don't think about suicide anymore.Do you think that it was a bad thing that this person turned to religion or would you have preferred he thought of suicide?
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Bad things happen with or without religionI would go further into your debate but I don't have to. I had written a lot more about your mentioning: How exactly is denying reality not stupid?, but now I have erased it for I do not feel the need. You have said it yourself, and I thus conclude this debate. There is nothing more to say.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

The "Bad things happen with or without religion". I'll add to that that with religion they happen a lot more, as it gives more reasons to hate others.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Without religion, scientific progress could be accelerated, developing new farming techniques so all can have food, making new sources of power, such as Thorium, giving all people electricity, and more advanced robots could produce more products and do more work, making money obsolete.And yes, conflict and fighting won't end, but there would never be a religious excuse or a motivation to fight.Like with your sister, two politicians might yell and fight, but without religion, what motivation is there for the people to care and fight? No one wants to die to prove another man's point. Not unless they are promised something that is greater than life.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

There would still be small fights and disputes but wars as they are now would end. Because no one would see the point in fighting. Why fight if working together is far more beneficial to everyone? In fact, war is beneficial to no one.If you don't trust me then trust the countries with the least religious. Look at how well it is going for them. When were they last in a war? Or rather, when did they last start a war? The only war they will ever take part of is when someone attacks them (unless they give some aid to fight some very possible threats to them as well). --nummi298.I cant believe you exalted your personal aetheistic beliefs over everyone elses. What gaurantee do you have that wars would end if the world omitted religion. are you forgetting that politics still exitstsHow many wars are there caused by religion? Nearly all of them (if you include the fact that religion keeps people stupid then all of them). Remove religion and you remove those wars.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

You talk like you're 100% sure.You don't know a world without religion, because you've never seen it.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

A world without religion being far more peaceful is logical. The countries with less religious are far more peaceful and are doing better than other countries. That's what I based my argument on. If you expanded that trait to the whole humanity, what would the most logical conclusion be?
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Human beings are human beings. We fight, if not about religion, then about something else.Religion is the biggest problem in the world, that is why we fight. If religion wasn't the biggest problem in the world, then we would fight about what was the biggest problem.People fight, usually we prioritize the biggest problem to fight first, when that is solved, we move to the next one.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

We fight, if not about religion, then about something else.There would still be fights, small ones, but that's it. Even currently there are small fights. I said there would be far less. Which makes a lot of sense, as one huge strife motivator and instigator, creator, would be gone. Fighting is not an addiction (although some might be addicted to it, but that is irrelevant here) that can transfer from one state to another, it is caused by controversy and disagreement, mainly.If religion were gone then fights caused by it would also be gone. They would not be compensated by anything.It's like saying every human has a natural inclination to fighting and will do it no matter what. Then why does it not apply to me? And so many others?Religion is the biggest problem in the world, that is why we fight. If religion wasn't the biggest problem in the world, then we would fight about what was the biggest problem.Currently yes, it is the biggest problem, or one of the biggest. And the problem is that it still exists.If religion wasn't the biggest problem, then fights would not shift to some other problem. There would be no point for it, no need for it.People fight, usually we prioritize the biggest problem to fight first, when that is solved, we move to the next one.This goes about problem solving not about fighting... You solve one and you move on to the next.Fighting is not necessary, not with humans, not anymore.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Fighting is not necessary, not with humans, not anymore.It is not necessary, that's right. But we still do it.But you know how the people in Islamic countries, they fight for freedom. To get to believe what they think is the truth, that is the biggest problem there.In my country people are fighting to get lower taxes, because they're so ridiculously high were I live. That is the biggest problem here.Some countries are fighting for homosexuals, to let people marry whomever they want to, no matter what gender he or she is - because somewhere THAT is the biggest problem.People fight about things, when they win, they fight about the next problem.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

Exactly the answer I anticipated.This debate is about religion causing wars and all I said was there would be, if any, very few. Small fights and disputes will always be there (not talking about two persons arguing 'cause they probably will not end as long as we exist), but even they will eventually end (assuming we don't revert back to stone age and keep on going in the right direction).If there was no religion people would be much smarter on average. That means they would be far less inclined to fighting, because they could see much better that the net result is only negative, to all sides. They would be more inclined to think before acting.But you know how the people in Islamic countries, they fight for freedom. To get to believe what they think is the truth, that is the biggest problem there.They fight for religion. If there was none they would not be fighting over it, there would be no point to keep on fighting.In my country people are fighting to get lower taxes, because they're so ridiculously high were I live. That is the biggest problem here.That's because the ones in power are far too comfortable and don't really care about people (most or a lot of them; it's similar here). And they find all kinds of stupid excuses to get more money out of people, while at the same time they waste what they already have.Fights like this will exist as long as there is money and/or as long as it is abused. Has nothing to do with religion, although getting rid of religion would increase average intelligence and since people would be smarter it could and most probably would affect even this.Some countries are fighting for homosexuals, to let people marry whomever they want to, no matter what gender he or she is - because somewhere THAT is the biggest problem.Marriage is not as connected to religion as it has been before. Either way, marriage is completely pointless. It includes contracts, laws, lawyers and people like that. It's worthless. You either are together or you are not, if you need some contract or some things that show that "you are together" then you shouldn't be together in the first place. Marriage is like forcing two people to remain together, it is stupid and very outdated and old. The more humanity and our knowledge advances the less it belongs here.Homosexuality is a deviation from normal, basically a disorder.People fight about things, when they win, they fight about the next problem.Fighting over problems and solving problems are very different.If there is no reason to fight then people will not fight. Religion gives many reasons to fight. Remove it and Earth will be much more peaceful.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Yeah whatever.a world without war is a fantasy. There is never going to be a world without war because human beings fight. it's in our nature to fight for things we want.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

So, if you want something but don't have the money for it, or it is not yours in the first place, you will try to take it with force?There is going to be a world without war, assuming we keep advancing. Unless some aliens will threaten us.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

So, if you want something but don't have the money for it, or it is not yours in the first place, you will try to take it with force?That depends on what you mean. Do you mean material things - then probably no, some people will though.But for things like freedom and stuff, those things you will fight fore.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

But for things like freedom and stuff, those things you will fight fore.It's like you're saying they aren't fighting for them presently. As you keep saying people will find other things to fight for if religion disappeared. Or you think they will concentrate their energy toward those? Why aren't they doing it now, as those are far more important than religion anyway.If religion disappeared people would on average become smarter, they would begin thinking about things they never had before. I doubt they'd mess things up even more than they currently are.The only ones they would be fighting against would be the ones in leading positions, there aren't many of them compared to all the people. Freedom would be fast to come if there was none or too little.If there is no need to fight people will not fight. The less reasons to fight the less fights.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

They are doing it now, that is why I say, that not only religion cause warIf there is no need to fight people will not fight. The less reasons to fight the less fights.There will be needs to fight. Are you seriously THAT naiv to think, that the only thing bad with this world is religion?I mean I get what you say, religion is not doing very much good for the world, but neither is a bunch of other stuff.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Of course it does! What do you think all the "crusades" where about? Religion like the government controls peoples thoughts and actions by its decrees. So yes, holy men have ordered their subjects to kill in the name of their "lord"
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

i think, yeah cause religion determined each people that believe it. could it be caused by people around. not just the religion itself.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Just a bit.....
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Sorry but, what a stupid question! If it weren't for the mind set of the Muslims, would there be any terror attacks. If it weren't for the stupidity of the Christians, would there have had been the bloody crusades e.t.c. Religion causes wars more than anything else. Religious people will tell you "oh but it is man kinds greed, his selfishness that causes war. Man kinds ignorance." Ignorance of what. " Accept this figment of my imagination and worship it, or i will hurt you." How nice.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Sure it does. And just as true, is the fact that government causes war. Only idiots think that we could do away with either, the rest of us are charged with improving them.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

To do away with religion is to improve it, and only idiots think otherwise. <--- Just look at that well formulated opinion and all it's supporting evidence. I mean, everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot, will anyone be able to refute that? Solid logic, right there. Really, though, you've probably just charged yourself with coddling religion, thus giving it an over-inflated sense of importance and worth and letting it think it can run amok and interfere with other peoples liberties. As it's doing now.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

To do away with religion is to improve it, and only idiots think otherwise. <--- Just look at that well formulated opinion and all it's supporting evidence.I am looking to be provocative and maybe spark up a discussion. My statement might have been a bare assertion, but at least it wasn't self refuting like yours. The evidence of what words (like religion) mean is based purely on consensus. Suppose religion was defined as "our idea of what we ought to be paying attention to" and everyone was arguing that (by that definition) all these huge problems were due to religion and that religion ought to therefore be done away with. ie we ought to (as if it were possible) stop participating in such mental exercises. Could you get my point then?you've probably just charged yourself with coddling religion, thus giving it an over-inflated sense of importance and worth and letting it think it can run amok and interfere with other peoples liberties. As it's doing now.And you are clearly demonizing it (anthropomorphism and all) , as if religion was itself the problem and the problems with religion aren't simply in how it's practiced. It's an awful lot like saying "government is bad" as opposed to comparing and critiquing it's varying expressions. If you are opposed to certain types of religions, and you get specific, and don't get caught up in the retarded mindset of blanket stereotyping, I'd say you might be on to something. When you admit that you practice your own somewhat individualized form of religion, you do so because you've started looking at religion in a more logical and progressive manner. Then discussions can ensue about how we are similar and how we differ religiously. When atheists can concede that religion is ubiquitous they can set about improving how it's practiced as opposed to entertaining the idiotic notion that it can be done away with.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

If you have a large enough population of a religion, there are bound to be some really close-minded people who are sure that they are right and everyone else is wrong -- some aren't even that devoted to their religion. They just want to show how right they are.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

all the wars based on religious are common since the past it can be the war between christians and muslim in europe or hindu-islamic in southwest asia
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Religion cannot be the scapegoat dor every single war in history as there are always many other (never one) discerning cause that sparked off a war. But et me list a few wars that heavily involved religion: The Crusades- King Richard the Lion Heart spent more time in friggin Jerusalem than he ever did in his own country! The Spanish Inquisition, the Israelite Conquest of Canaan, The French Revolution 1789, WWII (Holocaust), Iranian revolution, the Thirty Years' War, the Algerian War of Independence and Civil War, the fighting that is occurring between Northern and Southern Ireland in the present day.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Religion is a very fickle thing. It can be easily manipulated, and is thus a very useful tool in the hands of the wrong person to start a war.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

History is full of episodes where wars were caused by Religion. Awful!
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

Religion throughout history may have been the cause to certain wars, but religion in-it of itself does not cause war.It causes war as much as "fear" or "greed."Religion is an ideology that people stick to. Ideologies are all well-and-good unless, as Liber pointed out, politicians or leaders with agendas try to use that ideology to encourage violence.The lynching of blacks by the Democrats of the South was fear inspired by group leaders who used their "way of life" as an excuse to kill people merely for the color of their skin.Hitler used Nationalism and fear toward the Capitalist Jews (or even the Communists, whichever, anything that could get people riled up) as the reason to invoke Fascism and tyranny over Germany.Religion has been used for the Crusades, but even so, it was only a tool to get the land and riches that inhabited the land. People are a mindless herd who are easily provoked into being blood-thirsty.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

People are a mindless herd who are easily provoked into being blood-thirsty.Very, and I would say usually, true. But I don't think all leaders and politicians are intelligent and maniacal enough to be able to utilize others for less-obvious and more-selfish ends. I think we often overlook the "true believers" when it comes to "politicians or leaders with agendas that use ideologies to encourage violence." People like Bush, who may have genuinely wanted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan because he is actually deluded and brainwashed enough to think he heard the voice of god telling him to. I think both of these groups, true believers and leaders abusing religion for selfish ends, are equally dangerous.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

Religion doesn't cause war, there are other elements that go into war than just religion. People do use religion to justify war but it's not the main cause.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Not the main cause, no, but it certainly helps, doesn't it?If Jews and Muslims didn't have their religion, what would motivate the Jews and Muslims to control their holy land so strongly?There would be nothing. Even if their skin is different, or even if they DID still want the land, there would not be enough motivation to convince them to conquer it.Same with extremist Muslims. Even if they did want money or power, they would have no way to justify it. They would be killing, and with no god to justify it with, they would have to take the guilt that they are killing innocent people.Almost the entire US military is Christian. Even though they aren't fighting for a Christian cause really, George Bush did refer to the war on terror as a crusade, in one of his first speeches about it.Religion gives power to desires that would normally be irrational to justify. It gives you a reason to fight, and feel ok about dying. If you die fighting, you believe you go to a paradise. If you kill the enemy, you are only killing heathens, people who are lower than you and who mock and refuse to believe in your god.Religion is sometimes the main cause, sometimes a justifier, sometimes it gives soldiers fearlessness in murder or in being killed, and politicians can use it to endorse their motivations, using it, mixing it in with real motivations and thus manipulating people who believe, with other things they desire, while giving them peace of mind that they're doing what god desires, rather than killing innocents.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

Almost the entire US military is Christian. Even though they aren't fighting for a Christian cause really, George Bush did refer to the war on terror as a crusade, in one of his first speeches about it."I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq', and I did." - George W. Bush
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

And I'm terribly ashamed to say that I live in a country where admitting to voices in the head can get you reelected president, but if you don't believe in the ancient tribal god of Middle Eastern nomads you've got no hope in hell of getting elected. Another Bush treasure: “I don’t know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

"If Jews and Muslims didn't have their religion, what would motivate the Jews and Muslims to control their holy land so strongly?"If they are so motivated by these millenia old religions, how come it is only in the last century that they've been fighting over Isreal?"Religion gives power to desires that would normally be irrational to justify. It gives you a reason to fight, and feel ok about dying. If you die fighting, you believe you go to a paradise. If you kill the enemy, you are only killing heathens, people who are lower than you and who mock and refuse to believe in your god."You have such a misguided interpretation that it's scary, many christians aren't prejudiced against other religions (this may be different in backwards America), they do not see muslims as heathen in the saem way they don't see atheists as heathen. They do not fight in some desperate attempt to become a martyer for their religion, they fight because they feel the need to protect those they love."Religion is sometimes the main cause, sometimes a justifier, sometimes it gives soldiers fearlessness in murder or in being killed, and politicians can use it to endorse their motivations, using it, mixing it in with real motivations and thus manipulating people who believe, with other things they desire, while giving them peace of mind that they're doing what god desires, rather than killing innocents."You're making this up as you go along, using previous assumptions to come up with a twisted interpretation to fit your crazy prejudices.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

Other elements include wealth to be gained from wars and some people enjoy the act of slaughtering one another - it's life.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

We only have to look at a few examples of Holy Wars to answer this question is what someone may say, however it is not the religion that causes the war. Worshipping a statue never killed anyone (as far as I know), it was the people who worshipped the statue. What could the statue have done in a war? Nothing. People, on the other hand, can cause war - we're human.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: Yes

There is religious war, when religious passion are fervor are exploited politically, and used to goad and motivate a populace to be eager to kill and selfless in death. I think that's bad. And there's religious texts and dogma which preach violence, urging the faithful to slaughter unbelievers and wage war. I think that's bad. Yes, both of these contain the human element, but without the religious element they wouldn't be possible.
Debate: Does religion cause war?
Side: No

They would be possible, but people could just find other reasons to express their hate to one another.