Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

They're not, just like you can't prove it's always wrong, because objective morality is yet to be proven.I did you're cutting out the rest of my position. If you are not going to debate against that then I'm right as far as you and I are concerned and also if you're not going to admit that then its obvious you're knowledge of the subject derives not from your own observations but based on the wishes and opinions of others which isn't knowledge at all. And I did describe how morality is objective and binding... you're ignoring that! Those who wanted to have done for 2000 years, and will continue to do so; yet no concrete evidence has been discovered. It has! Humans have not always practiced morality... Have you ever heard of the Dark Ages? I'm not saying morality is axiomatic, I'm saying agnosticism of morality is axiomatic.Is this not what you said?..."This is a fundamental axiom that must be accepted if we are to have appropriate discourse." Unless my computer is changing your words somehow during the process of cut and paste then this is what you said! You're now trying to say the opposite and that's fine because you are still wrong! Morality is very axiomatic otherwise we wouldn't have laws! The dark ages is a prime example of what happens when morality is not perceived as a real object!Then morality becomes simply a matter of health, and nothing meaningful. Under this system, an obese man who gives millions to charity is immoral.Nothing meaningful? What else matters??? Do you know the definition of health? It's not restrictive to just physical wellness. Yes a man who is obese that gives millions to charity is immoral! A) He still is harming himself which is fine until it affects others and that is inevitable. B) I've never received any money from any charity that some obese man has contributed to, to make my life easier and I have and am definitely suffering from the affects on society several people who are obese have caused! Our laws unfortunately don't observe it as a crime but that doesn't make it right.Thank you for proving my point. Laws are only there to restrict people; if they were removed, crime would not increase significantly, as you say yourself, If all the sudden the law changed from being illegal to legal to drive drunk, I still wouldn't do it.What point? You never previously made one apparent to me and that wasn't my point anyways, you're contorting it and you know it. You're trying to insert some unspoken point of your own at an opportune time when someone makes a point relative but at the same time contorting it to fit yours. You're ridiculous! You honestly believe that if laws were removed then crime wouldn't increase? You're right because there would be no law to use to prosecute someone... But what about the violated? What if you were the victim? Would you stand there and defend that person that they had a right to offend you? I don't think so!!Of course you can, the only thing stopping you is fear of consequence (practical reasons aside).Okay well in your world then I'd be afraid to walk down the street minding my own business because someone could justifiably shank me for no reason. It's not the law that would stop me from shitting on your lawn it's the fact that if it was legal then I'd have to deal with people shitting on my lawn too.There is a rationalization for any alleged moral act.You got that wrong... There is a justified cause for every good moral act and there is a rationalization for every immoral act!Give me a moral act that cannot be rationalized amorally.That's the problem!! You think humans are equal to beasts and every act a human is capable of doing can be rationalized the same as a bear, deer, fish, ect. That's why I said if you believe in amorality you are fit for the wilderness not in a political society!This is all starting to get away from the debate topic but I'll tie it all back in by saying everything you're saying is an attempt to rationalize abortions... You're not justifying it! You're trying to use science to justify it which it can be if you live in a non-political society and you don't practice morality and that means no laws, and nothing practical to the improvement to your society!