azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Animals are just like humans, they are just less developed mentally. Killing animals for any reason is wrong. Imagine you were a chicken and you get squished in cages. Then after 16 weeks you go to the factory to get your head cut off. If that was your entire life how how would you feel about it
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Not really a moral obligation (morals are labels).There is a financial component. Energy transfer is about 10:1 for each higher level. Since basic industry has a lot of waste, husbandry is more like 50:1. We could easily feed the world if everyone gave up husbandry.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

It depends. But I am going to stick to this side because most humans are eating meat unnecessarily. The animals go through so much pain we can't even comprehend! We are living in an advanced generation where we can easily live off plants. We are eating meat because we value our taste buds over the animals life. The pleasure you get is more important than the animal suffering. So I say its murder.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Pssshh.Meat is murder, but hey, it's natural. We eat meat, we also eat plants. We shouldn't eat as much meat as we do, and we should treat our live stock better. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't eat meat. It's part of of our natiral diet.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Why cause unnecessary suffering? If it is easy (easier, actually) for humans to prosper and flourish without meat, why go ahead and cause unnecessary suffering?
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

We're predators, sweety.Have you ever seen the Lion King? Because it really is the circle of life, and it moves us all. Would you rather feed a lion tofu? Would you like sharks to go around chanting, "fish are friends, not food!"? Or would you like to embrace the real world that we all know, love, and evolved into?Because Disney mimics life, life doesn't mimic Disney.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Lions and sharks, besides being true carnivores, have no choice in their actions. Humans, alternately, have several other options available to them, making the killing completely unnecessary. Human anatomy also suggests quite strongly that we are not meant to consume meat or be "predators." Again: why cause suffering if it's unnecessary?
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

What about the human anatomy suggests that we were not meant to consume meat?The last I checked, were were omnivores.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Carnivores: have clawsHerbivores: have no clawsHumans: have no clawsCarnivores: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongueHerbivores: perspire through skin poresHumans: perspire through skin poresCarnivores: have sharp front teeth, with no rear molars for grindingHerbivores: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grindingHumans: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grindingCarnivores: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quicklyHerbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body lengthHumans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body lengthCarnivores: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meatHerbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivoreHumans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a carnivoreCarnivores: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruitsHumans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruitsCarnivores: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grainsHerbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grainsHumans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grainsYes, humans are obviously created to eat meat....(Not going to lie, I feel like I'm attacking you. I usually enjoy your debates so much. I hope I'm not coming off as rude or defensive... No hard feelings?)
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

You're not being rude, just silly. That list was a waste of your time. Humans are omnivores.Humans: no sharp front teeth, with rear molars for grinding?http://www.uic.edu/classes/orla/orla312/ INCISORS.htm We weren't created to do anything. We have simply, as of now, evolved to a point where we can eat both meat and plants. If you choose to not eat meat then that is fine.I grew up on a farm where I cared for and loved every type of animal. And, at times, we ate them. Death is an aspect of life.If your opinion differs, that's fine. But I love and respect animals. I'm not every religious, but whenever I pass road kill I say a little prayer that if the animal had any specific beliefs about their afterlife that it be realized. I think of animals as companions, friends and food. I'm sorry that you aren't on the same wavelength as me. But as long as an animal is treated well, killed humanely and respected then I don't have an issue eating their meat.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

That's just a difference of opinions.I am an abolitionist. I am against the use of animals, both human and non-human. I campaign for equal rights and compassion for all sentient creatures. That's how I'm different.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

What is a difference of opinions? The Scientific Fact hat Humans are Omnivores?
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

No, that I believe that all sentient life is equal and meaningful. And you do not.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

I believe it's meaningful, sure. Just not equal.As I said before, it really is the circle of life. Everyone dies somehow. We all become food for something. Whether that be microscopic or larger it doesn't matter to me.In fact, eat me. I don't mind as long as I'm dead when it happens.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Eugh, no, thank you.I simply choose not to end life and cause suffering. That's really all there is to it.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Well no. Because if I'm already dead, you wouldn't be murdering me. You wouldn't be ending my life.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Oh, no, that wasn't a response to eating you. I don't particularly want to eat you. I'm just saying that my lifestyle was chosen to cause as little suffering as possible.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Dammit, I wish CD made it so you could see what people were opposing or favouring... I don't remember what I've said and, having arrived home from AC/DC at 5am this morning and not getting much sleep, I'm too tired to look for it.Hrm. Maybe I will later.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Lions and sharks are incapable of moral reasoning.Humans can decide to renounce their brutal ancestory.Take your circle of life and shove it.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

That was an unnecessarily rude statement...I'm sorry that our opinions differ, but I believe that as long as we treat the animals well and kill them humanely then we should be able to eat meat.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Sorry for the rudeness. It just gets frustrating hearing the same lame arguments over and over.I agree with you. If we treated animals humanely, eating meat would be fine. However, we do not treat animals well, and we do not kill them humanely. See: http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Factory_farming_needs_to_be_reformed Well, technically, you Californians do (or at least you will in 2015), but the rest of us are not so enlightened.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Agreed. But I do. I use my dollar demand to buy free range, organic meat. It's all I can do at the moment. All my money is going to the Courage Campaign. I can't fight for animals and gay rights at the same time.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Human rights and animal rights are one and the same. It's a search for equality and the abolition of destructive, unfair, unequal, harmful practices. You don't need money to fight for animal rights; it's easy to not finance animal oppression.Free-range and organic meats are bogus.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

That is bullshit. I fought against factory farming for my entire middle school and high school career, when I was your age. I visited factory farms, and free range farms both. I grew up raising goats and chickens of my own, and named them all.There is a difference between Free Range and Factory Farmed animals. And you're just a bullshitting, angry little girl if you let a fear-mongering website like that sway you.Animals are not equal to humans. That is a foolish statement. Sure, animals love and care for each other. Animals feel pain and heartbreak. But animals are not humans.That's my opinion. I'm sorry you're not on the same page as me. Better start reading.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

That's just rude.The farm that you grew up on is not typical. There is no government regulation of the term "free range."I'd "better start reading" so I can have your opinions. Interesting.I'm tired of this. To be called a "bullshitting, angry little girl" is not why I'm here. That's enough.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

I'm sorry for being rude, but it's frustrating when uneducated people try to assume they know everything.No, it's not typical. But, as I said before, if people ate less meat and took an interest in where their meat comes from it could become typical. Which I do. I only buy meat when I know where it comes from. In fact I usually only eat fish from the local market where I can see the boat it was brought in on and know the fishermen.But if all animals were raised and killed humanely, I bet you would still have a problem with it. Because you don't agree that Humans and animals aren't equal. That's fine. But that's delusional.To be called a "bullshitting, angry little girl" is not why I'm here. That's enough.I'm not trying to hurt your feelings or scare you or whatever, and I'm sorry that a went to that level. I'm just trying to shock some sense into you. It's not a perfect world and humans and animals aren't equal. If you want to spend your time trying to change something so widely accepted, fine. But you wont win. People like meat, they crave it.But that website is the bullshit. The creators probably have good intentions, but they know the have to exaggerate to make a point, and that's what they've done. It's bullshit.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

I wouldn't consider myself uneducated, but I am certainly ignorant in some areas. This does not make you all-knowing, either. Everyone is ignorant.Fish feel pain. Commercial net fishing destroys ecosystems. And imagine being caught on a line: a hook, through your cheek, dragging you through the ocean. And fish farming? The overcrowded conditions make the trains to concentration camps look roomy. (Or maybe that's horribly politically incorrect. I'm not sure. If it is, I apologise.)I differ from your opinion; that makes me delusional. Why? To quote middle school brightly coloured posters: "What is right is not always popular. What is popular is not always right." At points in history, slavery was widely accepted. The lynching of blacks and gays was widely accepted. So I have no problem with trying to change something that is widely accepted. I hope that in fifty or one hundred years, humans will look back in disgust on our eating habits, just as most of us look back in disgust on a history of slavery and inequality based on race, gender, sexual orientation, et cetera (although much of that is still present today).Exaggeration is clearly necessary to prove a point about something that is widely accepted. Although it may not be right, shock is sometimes necessary to get past something that is ingrained so deeply into minds.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Most fish aren't caught on hooks, but in nets. And a quick smack to the brain does the trick. And regarding fish farming, they are just as overcrowded as they would be in a school of fish. It's how they swim... I doubt the fish mind.You may accept being delusional, but just be careful about who you believe.... You'll figure it out someday.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Net fishing kills not only fish, but every living creature caught up in the nets. It ravages ecosystems, destroys the ocean floor, and is generally terrible for the planet. Netting for shrimp, for example, is the most environmentally destructive animal agriculture practice there is.Commercial fish farming is nothing like schools of fish. Nothing.I honestly hope that I don't "figure it out someday," if it means thinking like the rest of the meatheads (not supposed to be an offensive term, just one generally used amongst vegans to refer to omnis). If it means believing that life is not equal, that causing suffering and death is okay, then I hope I don't figure it out.Can't you accept that my opinion is not wrong? That it's my opinion? Why does that make me delusional, or misled?
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Net fishing on the bottom can cause those kinds of problems. So eat Tuna. It's caught with mid level nets which don't do much damage. They're also not terribly endangered. Of course if everyone ate just tuna, they would be. But that's what diversity and choice is about.Commercial fish farming is nothing like schools of fish. Nothing.How so? Have you ever been to a commercial fish farm? Because that's almostexactly how it is. Sure, farmed fish don't swim as far as ocean or river fish, but I doubt they are uncomfortable. Yes, fish feel pain. But they're also stupid (in the scientific sense).Think of the Africans who still live in small villages, and have never heard of cars or air conditioning. They're plenty happy. But you put some bitch from Malibu out there, and she's miserable. Fish are the bush people, we're the bitch from Malibu. (I'm not saying that the Africans are stupid, just "uneducated" by modern terms).Can't you accept that my opinion is not wrong? That it's my opinion? Why does that make me delusional, or misled?Right back at ya. You can have your opinion, and there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. If we were all vegetarians the environment would be better off. But there are also environmentally responsible ways to eat small portions of meat. And as omnivores we can decide for ourselves to eat meat or not. The delusional part is that you believed that website about the free range farming. Which is a pile of bullshit, in my educated opinion. And also the part about "equality and peace and happiness." Death is part of life, and so is eating.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Fish suffer. Bush people aren't crammed together so tightly that their skin is rubbed off.As far as environmental concerns, Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, chair of the UN Governmental Panel on Climate Change, says, "Give up meat for one day [a week] initially, and decrease it from there. In terms of immediacy of action and the feasibility of bringing about reductions in a short period of time, it clearly is the most attractive opportunity." Essentially, ceasing to eat meat is the most effective way that a consumer can help the environment.Death is a part of life. Eating is a part of life. Causing suffering and death don't have to be.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Oh, and netting for tuna doesn't guarantee that only tuna will be caught in the net. All fish who are amongst the tuna will be caught, too. Endangered fish. Any fish that happens to be there. Then they'll be left to suffocate.And, like I said, nobody is checking that free-range meats/animal by-products are actually free-range. Personally, though, as a vegan abolitionist, I wouldn't care if the calves were cuddled and sung a lullaby to before bed. I still don't agree with killing them. /shrug
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

It's true that animals are not equal to humans. In some ways, they are significantly better than us. They kill out of biological need or out of defense. We kill for a perceived need or just because we feel like it. We torture animals in useless experiments because we believe we have the right to, even though the results of such experiments are often useless, if the results matter at all. We torture each other, again because of our own desires. Some animals are considered to be more intelligent than us, many use tools, many have familial societies, they can feel pain, they can feel love, they can feel grief. Some even have biological abilities to protect their living environment, while the human race seems set on destroying it. It seems that maybe humans should feel a little more responsibility towards those we so often deem as "lesser".
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Why kill a non-human animal and not a human? As long as the human is fed properly and given comfortable lodging.I simply believe that animals are not ours to use. Ever. For any purpose.Regardless, there is not enough land on Earth to humanely raise enough 'meat' to feed the world. The land simply doesn't exist. Unless we create floating ground for cattle....
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

There is enough land to raise the number of animals we should eat. I don't believe we should eat as much meat as we do. It should be a side dish.But yeah... Human is a meat. Go ahead.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

So why not eat humans?50charactersssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

First of all, we HAVE eaten humans. Watch a movie called "Alive". It's a true story.Secondly, eating from your own species is something that already happens in nature but for two significant reasons. One, is that when an animal is extremely hungry, it will eat the dead flesh of a same-species animal. The story above, proves that humans do the same thing.Two, is when the eating of your own species is linked to social structure. For example, some lions, when they become leaders of the pack, they will eat the young baby-lions of other couples in the pack in order to prevent any future rivals and also in order to make it easier for the babies that they will produce to have less opposition as they grow. Humans have been known to do exactly the same thing, especially when they become kings.There is also another reason why some animals will eat their own. It happens when the baby-animal is born with a disability. Some mothers will kill their own disabled or weak babies if they think that the chances of their survival in the environment are slim. Humans have been known to do exactly the same thing (Spartans). So there you have it. These are the rare reasons why animals and people resort to eating each other. But it is in no way the normal state of affairs. The normal state of affairs is that lions eat gazelles, giraffes, elephants, and every other animal apart from their own kind. Which is no different to the normal state of affairs for humans, i.e. we eat other animals instead of other humans.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

If we can choose to eat non-human animals, why not choose to eat human animals?
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Because that is not the normal state of affairs. From an evolutionary point, it makes sense to not eat from your own species because they carry the same genes as you. Also, a human being is more likely to contribute to your life than another animal (sheep, cows, chickens, etc). If it was between you and a chicken, I would always eat the chicken, because with you lies the hope that you might discover the cure to cancer for example. With you lies the hope that you will contribute to society (and by extension, contribute to MY life) by doing a job and by being productive. Now do you see why human life is not equal to any other animal life? I have read you saying that all life is equal and that all sentient beings are equal. Now, let me ask you something. If you were to walk by a river and you saw a little boy and his dog drowning in the stream. Their distance from you is equal, but if you go for one, the other is likely to move down the stream and possibly drown and die. Which one do you go for? Is there any doubt in your mind that you would try to save the boy first?????? Please read my last post again. No one "chooses" to eat from their own kind. Cannibalism, whether between humans or animals, is a rare occurrence and only happens under extreme circumstances. For humans, those circumstances are even more extreme, i.e. your life has to be at stake and the other person is probably already dead.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Ah, so you wouldn't eat humans because they're productive, aside from the genetic standpoint. Would you then eat a severely mentally retarded person? Isn't that essentially the same thing as an animal?And the "who would you save" question is just absurd. It's always the fall-back, that and "plants have feelings, too!". If I could, I would probably save the child, because, try as I might, I, too, am subject to speciesism. Or perhaps I'd save the dog first, if it was smaller, as a heavier object is less likely to move.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

No, a retarded person will never be the same thing as an animal. The genetic standpoint will always be present, and a human is a human regardless. You called it "speciesism", which is a pretty neat and diplomatic way of admitting that not all life is equal.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

Ah, yes, because "racism" is a neat and diplomatic way of admitting that all races are not equal.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

LOLWell what else do you think racism stands for, if not for the belief that one race carries with it an inherent superiority?You really think that by saying that you are a "specie-ist" you are saying something other than that your species is superior to another species?And also, having read your response about humans having abolished slavery and persecution of homosexuality etc.... can I just point out that all those issues pertain to how we conduct our affairs within our species, none of them have anything to do with other species, they were a "family" problem. It's not the same thing...
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

It is the same thing if you believe that all sentient life, regardless of species, is equal. Like I do.And, yes, I am mildly speciesist, despite my efforts not to. Just as I suppose I'm mildly racist; walking down a New York street at night alone or with a friend and seeing a large black guy up ahead of me is scary. If it was a white guy, I might not be quite as scared. So, yes, despite efforts not to discriminate, I do. I try not to. It's all I can do.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Because it's illegal. I've actually always wanted to try human. I wouldn't kill someone to eat them. But if someone died, why not?After death, it's just a body. Just a lifeless pile of flesh. I assume that nutritionally, human meat would be fantastic like wild deer. I'd love to try a really well toned person's thigh. Maybe with an '07 Chardonnay.I guess that's why I nibble on the gym rat boys I sleep with.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: Yes, I agree

It's obviously pointless to bring up, but...If you'd kill an animal to eat it, why not kill a human to eat it?You don't need to respond. We're running in circles.
Debate: Meat is Murder!
Side: No, I disagree

Yeah, that is pointless. Because in my last post I already told you:I wouldn't kill someone to eat them.For multiple reasons:1) It's illegal.2) I would be difficult and messy. Humans fight back, animals are easier to kill humanely.3) There are plenty of people who die in car crashes and whatnot else to go around. I wouldn't need to kill someone to get my hand on a bit of meat.