azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I think part of the reason why youth lack interest in politics is because they are disenfranchised from any sort of effective participation. Its a bit of a catch 22. The internet won't alone make students informed enough, but it is a powerful tool that grants them more opportunity for it and makes it easy. They are also becoming increasingly important once they hit 18 as this country becomes more politically divided and more and more people become disenfranchised with the 2 party system. So parties should start to focus on the youth vote more, spurring them into political activity and research younger. I've noticed a trend in my old high school, my senior year they introduced duel credit college/high school courses that were taught by a visiting professor from a community college. They have since introduced more of these duel credit courses. My high school government and economic classes were jokes, and I hope that the trend I mentioned fixes that. The government does a lot to piss people off, and our economic systems would likely make more people angry if only they were knowledgeable on the subject. Lately people were forced to become more knowledgeable due to the "great recession", and we have seen more political action due to it. So simply better education should help spur the youth into being politically active and interested. Another catch 22 though, in order for those classes to be offered there has to be interest in them. Hopefully the desire to get more college credits earlier will be enough of a drive. I think the lack of a required class or classes on logic, computational science and philosophy is a disservice that needs remedied. If we would study more of the classics and read the actual writings of political theorists and scientists a lot of the bullshit we see today could be avoided.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Youth are going to vote emotionally/subjective. I'll throw out a guess that most people do not ask for a copy of a measure before voting on it and those that do may not read key words that may render a measure opposite of the intention.Most adults vote subjectively and most vote by soundbytes, party line, ads and biased media (either side).I guarantee you that I can go onto a college campus, hand out free marijuana and get students to sign petitions or vote the way I want. Free X-boxes are too expensive to use as bribes.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Open to mass media? We all are open to mass media. As I said in my earlier response…in the last election adults voted for Obama simply because he was black they had no idea what he even believed in. They wanted change…..but change? What kind of change did they think they were going to get? Howard Stern did something that proves what I am saying is true. If you google Howard Stern….harlem interviews…you will hear people standing for Obama but the interviewer presented Obama with McCains stances. Example. "Do you support Obamas pro-life stance…do you care that he is against legalized abortion?" "Do you accept that Sarah Palin is Obamas running mate"? etc. People who were for Obama had no idea that they were agreeing to John McCains beliefs. This goes to show that people vote alright…but for reasons that have nothing to do with policy. All politicians lie…to get votes. They use the media to their advantage and it is where we get most of our information. In the next election it is said that Obama (the so called representative of the poor mans party) will spend over …get this…..ONE BILLION DOLLARS to get elected. He is a mega money machine…and will do anything to get votes. I don't think it matters what age the person is actually. It has to do with knowledge of the process and studying and getting to know the issues. My husband does not know anything about the stances or positions of the two parties. He relies on me for information for the most part. He hates politics.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Yes, of course that's all true. But typically, the more education you have, the longer you've lived, the more time you have to research the varying policies, the more developed your opinions will be on the issues. Not allowing the youth to vote is a very rudimentary, and simple, way to improve the knowledge base of those voting.Interestingly enough, there have been various attempts to stop this from happening in the past. Germany, in the 1600s I think, gave those with a degree two votes. Almost every single European country had a minimum income that you had to earn to vote. As the education of the youth increases, and ease of access to information increases as quickly as it has, I would expect the youth to be able to vote in maybe as little as 20 years, allowing for such a radical idea to gain popular political representation.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I see where you are coming from. However, if we give the opportunity to vote to our youth, then they will become more familiar with politics and will be seasoned and experienced voters by the time they turn 18!
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

(As a 17 year old with a decent understanding of politics as well) So, wait, what stops adults from being too open to mass media? I mean, Obama or a member of congress can come out and say something and the DOW could go up or down hundreds of points simply based on what he says. It could be (and usually is) a mass of crap that is unenforceable or illogical, yet people still believe it just so he can get more votes (such as new legislation that bases teacher salary on testing scores). Not only that, but also looking at the voter turnout in the 2012 election skyrocketed because of president Obama (and we see how that turned out). Teenagers are just as gullible as adults are.http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/ archives/voting/cb09-110.html
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

So, wait, what stops adults from being too open to mass media?Nothing. It's not a definite science, I simply feel that the older you get, the more defined and developed your beliefs are, and therefore the less likely you are to just accept what you read in the newspaper.yet people still believe it just so he can get more votesAnd unfortunately that is what we call politics. But showing that the current system is broken does not, in itself, advocate this change. Change, I agree, is necessary, but not this.Teenagers are just as gullible as adults are.I don't maintain that adults aren't gullible, simply less so.And to your link, I'm hardly surprised. People are more likely to vote for things they feel strongly about. To minorities all over the country, the first black President is something to feel strongly about. If anything, I'd expect it to be higher (especially as it didn't adjust for population growth).
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

What's your definition of youth? I'm assuming younger than 18, and not refering to many States' trying to surpress youth vote by not accepting a student ID and other documents those in a college are more likely to have than a gun license (fucking Texas).I think it's fair to assume those too young would vote automatically as their parents with little individual thought, and that one should not get essentially "extra votes" based solely on having litters of children.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

That is the problem, its just an assumption that youth would vote as their parents would. Given a good education, you should see a good amount of ideological variance within families, even between teenagers and parents. For example, I'm radically of a different ideology than my parents and have been since my mid teens. This is due to the different material conditions I experience from them, my father is an veteran and police officer, where as I'm the youngest of 4 and grew up in the suburbs. These different life experiences can quickly cause ideological differences despite parental influence.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

That is the problem, its just an assumption that youth would vote as their parents would.It's not really an assumption at this point, when we have statistical data to support it.http://www.gallup.com/poll/14515/teens-stay-true-parents-political-perspectives.aspx
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Not true. I know a youth who has parents who are very liberal (they are educators) and he is a strong conservative. Today's youth are open minded and are not afraid to have a different opinion than their influences.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

I never said all youth share their parents political views but the overwhelming majority do, this much is supported by the Gallup poll that I cited.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I don't like the poll. It has several problem with it, primarily that it is too general and lacks cohesion on the labels. A better version would of been asking actual parents and kids their views on several issues along with a test to see the particular type of political ideology parents have and their children have. It also assumes that 2 people have the same political persuasion, the parents. It doesn't ask how often politics is discussed in the family, so there is no gauge of accuracy on the perception of political positions, etc etc...
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

No, voting is a mindless activity anyway. Besides 99% of all youth younger or older than 18 to 30 don't really care. Heck, I love Economics, and I don't care. WHY? Because it is usually between a TURD SANDWICH or DOUCHE.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

You're the kind of person who leaves a negative effect on democracy. Voting is defiantly NOT a mindless activity. I remember when an election was approaching, my parents would spend hours and hours researching the current platforms of the candidates running in our electoral ridding. And I plan to do the same.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

If only there were more people like your parents. It seems so many people today vote based on associations and feelings rather than policies.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Congratulations on your triumph!!-----------------------------------------
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

No. I'm a teen and I can tell you straight up that some teens don't give a hoot about politics. We don't pay taxes or anything. All we do is play sports and sit back and laugh. We don't give two cents about poitics.I personaly like studying politics. However, must teens don't. 18 is the right age.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

look lets be honest. all of us on here are pretty smart and nerdy. not saying were all nerds but were all at least a bit intellectual. so to the kids on here saying "I'm responsible enough to vote" aren't considering what most teens are like. YOU may be responsible enough to vote but most of your classmates are not. I'm 14 and say no way should we be allowed to vote
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

that is a good point, because I saw the results from our student vote and a lot of kids voted communist (in Ontario) and other random parties just for the heck of it. At 18 people are past the party and bad ass way of life and are looking to the future (for the most part) I'm 14 and am pretty much on the same page. Canada is one of the most free countries in the world and yet some people still complain! We should be thankful-USA and Canada
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

There are exceptions within the average naive, malleable youth. But these exceptions, as beneficial as it would be to hear their insight, are very few and far between. The whole of the youth should not be given the right to vote due to a few exceptions of them who express interest and informed thinking in political issues. Given that the majority of the youth are not interested in politics, it may not matter if they are given the right to vote or not, but considering how easily persuaded and influenced they are by mainstream thought trends, it may serve to hurt more than it would help depending on what those trends entail.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

considering how easily persuaded and influenced they are by mainstream thought trends, it may serve to hurt more than it would help depending on what those trends entail.Does this argument imply that this likely malleable slave to trends type of mindset seems to disappear by age 18?I find that a considerable enough of an argument to look beyond the age of the individual and determine based on their mental capability when they are interested in voting.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I find that a considerable enough of an argument to look beyond the age of the individual and determine based on their mental capability when they are interested in voting.I agree; age is not an accurate measurement or connection of an individual’s mental capability. Instead, it’s a very easy way to group people in order to determine who in what group has stronger or more developed attributes than in other groups. On average, the youth (I would even extend that to mid 20s in this day and age) exhibit much less concern for politics and as a result are less likely to be informed or think outside of what is the current trend. On average.Sure we shouldn’t expect young people who are easily manipulated by societal trends to just grow out of it by age 18; there are people that grow out of it earlier, later or sometimes never. It’s just that the current method and age is an easy way to group people and enact legislation. I’m not for it, but I’m not particularly against it either.If there were another method in determining who should vote out of a population of 300million plus, I would consider its effectiveness, but my current position is that I see no reason to think that lowering the voting age or even eliminating it entirely would help things. Especially considering how ineffective voting is anyway.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Children should be stay children. And to give them a permission to vote its bad idea. They brain not so developed to make the adults' decisions. And their knowledge not so deeply known like others population. To vote to somebody means that you are choosing your future and all your doings will affect on you and everybody. We should stay in that position like now and don't do any mistakes.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

You might be correct when talking about children under the age of 13, however, the people most affected by the future, are also the youngest. Sure it affects adults as well, however, it only affects people who are 100 years old for only a couple more years. Youths can drop out at the age of 16 and join the workforce. Maybe it is illogical to allow a 5 year old to vote, however, youths in high school have brains that are fully developed enough to chose their future.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I am 13, I know a lot about the politics in my country and some of the people I see on a daily basis haven't even got a clue how to spell politics.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

So you're saying that society should just forget the opinion of our young? Come on! Children and youth are part of this country also, therefore, they deserve a voice! Plus, in Canada, we are having difficulties convincing our adults to vote. If you do not immerse children in the opportunity to have a political opinion, the amount of voters will not incline for the next generation, but do the opposite.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Young people should have a voice. However, I don't think that their vote should count. They don't understand everything about that country yet. Most adults don't understand anything about the country. I think young people should have a voice, state their opinions, but not vote for a future leader.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

So technically you’re saying young people should have a voice; however people should just ignore it. If you want us to share our opinions, give us a ballad and we will!
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

What you're saying is not something we can just snap our fingers and do! The govt. can't just do that. Besides 18 is an appropriate age- students can drive alone, own there own home and be in university so I think the currently voting age is appropriate- there also is student vote, which is the experience for youth
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Youth are idealistic and easily swayed by passion, rather than thought or reason. If you talk to most adults over 40, they will tell you that, for all their knowledge in their early years, they didn't have a clue until 25 or thirty, and then continued to revise their understanding as experience molded them. My theory....18 is too young.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

But not youth in the 21st century! We don't just care about the present! - We care about our future! Youth today, are extremely mature. We want to stand up, raise our voice and make a difference. And just to let you know, you are being extremely ignorant; youth today are powerful and strong. We deserve the right to cast a ballad for our future, we are citizens too!
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Are you saying the generation that changed the world didn't look at our world our ancestors shaped it and they fought to give us a country where we at least can vote. Not to be snippy but I just don't understand your point of view
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

No,the majority of youth are not mature enough, or don't look into things. If they could give us a maturity and intelligence test, anyone that passes should be allowed to vote.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

the youth should not be given the right to vote , for the youth nowadays are not patriotic what they think of now is parties and immoral practices of the highest order so giving the youth the chance to vote would certainly produce ineffective leaders.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Kids of my age, 16 are extremely ignorant of politics. I cannot have a rational debate with any of them regarding politics and quite frankly, they're just stupid.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Of course not. Most people under the age of 18 do not have the correct understanding of politics and lack the responsibility and maturity of selecting the leader of a nation. Also, as iamdavidh has said, most would vote for which ever candidate their parents/guardians were voting for. Not to mention youth are more easily manipulated by what sounds good to their ears.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Most people under the age of 18 do not have the correct understanding of politics and lack the responsibility and maturity of selecting the leader of a nation.I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY (I can't emphasize this enough) disagree. You severely underestimate the knowledge of some youth.Also, as iamdavidh has said, most would vote for which ever candidate their parents/guardians were voting for.And most adults vote for the same candidate as their parents, as well.Not to mention youth are more easily manipulated by what sounds good to their ears.And adults aren't?All the things people bring up against this are true just as much for college students and even some adults. Age is a terrible judge.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

*Most people under 18 who don't know = understanding of some youth.Though this is likely the case with not only youth but all citizens, it's somewhat harder to argue for the restriction of adult voters who have insufficient understanding. (Which at the end of the day, I would probably be for as well.)
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

"it's somewhat harder to argue for the restriction of adult voters who have insufficient understanding. (Which at the end of the day, I would probably be for as well"Liberty and equality are the pillars of democracy, being in favour granting some the right to vote, whilst denying it to others is a form of authoritarianism, after all, who is to be the judge of who has "sufficient" understanding?I agree with many of the arguments in favour letting well informed minors have the vote, but I'm not in favor of actually giving it to them, so in that sense I agree with you.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I agree! Youth are very smart and their intelligence is only increasing as years go by. Youth are open minded and innocent. Sure, there is the odd rebellious adolescent. However, there are rebellious adults as well (and they have the right to vote)! We're having problems getting our adults to vote, so why don't we introduce the opportunity to our youth, maybe politics will become the latest trend and voting will come back into style!
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I'm just trying to figure out what age you are thinking, because certain ages, and personally most below 18 would be out of the question. I mean lowering the voting age to 17 -okay but one year doesn't make a big difference.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

Age is the appropriate judge in some circumstances. And as you can see, I said 'Most' so technically you have proven me right by saying 'SOME YOUTH'. And I see you haven't addressed their level of responsibility and maturity. I know that some teens are aware of what's going on but overall most just aren't interested in politics. Most of us just don't care about what they are really saying underneath their words. Most don't even know what being Republican or Democratic means. Picking a leader for our country is something that should be in the hands of people who have expierience in the real world, now more than ever. Most adults have the freedom to do what they want, to vote for whomever. Teens don't neccessarily have that leisure. Most of us want approval, attention. So, naturally, we would support our parents. And I'm not saying adults aren't manipulated by suger-coated words either. I'm just saying most of us lack the understanding of those words and what the intentions are of the candidates.
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

I think those youth who are civically aware would make no worse a choice than an adult. If adults make better choices, why did W get elected? Besides, many adults shirk their civic duty and we need more people involved in the election process. Why not get the youth involved at an earlier age?
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: No, they shouldn't

you shouldn't I'm a little on both sides they should and shouldn't
Debate: Should Youth be Given the Right to Vote?
Side: Yes, they should

Can you justify your opinion? Prove why they shouldn't and prove why they should. Show us why you're on the fence!