Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I find it interesting how you believe in two things that are contradictory. You think you are making people more free by constantly putting more restrictions on them? It's completely contradictory. But then again, you don't even know what it means to be liberal. The liberalism you subscribe to nowadays is "socialist liberalism". Funny thing is, you probably don't even know what the Old Liberalism even was. Read this for an example: There can be no doubt that the promise of greater freedom has become one of the most effective weapons of socialist propaganda and that the belief that socialism would bring freedom is genuine and sincere. But this would only heighten the tragedy if it should prove that what was promised to us as the promise of more freedom was responsible for luring more and more liberals along the socialist road, for blinding them to the conflict which exists between the basic principles of socialism and liberalism, and for often enabling socialists to usurp the very name of the old party of freedom. Socialism was embraced by the greater part of the intelligentsia as the apparent heir of the liberal tradition: therefore it is not surprising that to them the idea of socialism's leading to the opposite of liberty should appear inconceivable. (The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek)What has happened is that you no longer fight for the freedom and equality of the poor, but instead throw around a slew of socialist propaganda. You think redistribution of wealth will make us more rich not more poor (though it is proven that it will make us more poor). You think more regulations will make us more free, not more enslaved (thought it is proven that it will make us more enslaved). I think this sums up what's going on inside your head: While to many who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters the connection between the two systems has become increasingly obvious, in the democracies the majority of people still believe that socialism and freedom can be combined. There can be no doubt that most socialist here still believe profoundly in the liberal ideal of freedom and that they would recoil if they became convinced that the realization of their program would mean the destruction of freedom. So little is the problem yet seen, so easily do the most irreconcilable ideals still live together, that we can still hear such contradictions in terms as "individualist socialism" seriously discussed. If this is the state of mind which makes us drift into a new world, nothing can be more urgent than that we should seriously examine the real significance of the evolution that has taken place elsewhere. Although our conclusions will only confirm the apprehensions which others have already expressed, the reasons why this development cannot be regarded as accidental will not appear without a rather full examination of the main aspects of this transformation of social life. That democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is not only unachievable, but that to strive for it produces something so utterly different that few of those who now wish it would be prepared to accept the consequences, many will not believe until the connection has been laid bare in all its aspects. (The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek)How dare you say I cannot be trusted to argue fairly or knowledgeably when you are trying to combine two things that are complete contradictions. To do that is a completely uneducated and ignorant thing. Therefore, using your own argument against you, none of your arguments are valid.