Debate: Satanism vs Christianity
Side: Satanism

But Adam and Eve aren't the only ones to be blamed but the devil as well. If he had not intervened with God`s orders, the 2 would`t have eaten the fruit.You're trying to pin this all on the devil but you admit that the devil was acting under gods orders. So it's actually gods fault, when we get down to it. Kind of like most Nazis were just following orders; the Holocaust was Hitler's fault. Then again it was our fault in the first place. Due to their curiosity , sin entered the world. How?Good question. First of all I would like to point out that you are alternating back and forth between "them" ("their curiosity;" Adam and Eve), and "us" ("our fault;" the fault of humanity). I brought this up before, but these are not the same thing. The "crimes" of two nudists thousands of years ago are not our crimes. Secondly, who programmed them with their natural curiosity? Who made them as curious as they were, and then invented a test for that curiosity he knew they would fail, and then put them to the test he knew they would fail with the wages being immortality and paradise? God. Not the devil, not Adam and Eve, not humanity, god. This is gods problem, gods fault; it's between him and Adam and Eve and a talking snake and I refuse to feel shame for the actions of any of the four. You were taught that you should refrain from sex until you have a job and can sustain a familyThis example doesn't work because sex doesn't always = a baby. So curiosity about sex doesn't always lead to unwelcome consequences. The natural curiosity of Adam and Eve had a 100% fail rate in gods test. They we're damned for their curiosity before they were even curious. Also, I wasn't taught that about sex at all. Not entirely relevant, but still. I was taught to wait to have baby until I was financially secure, but a baby isn't the same thing as sex. Otherwise I would have lots and lots of babies. But through our curiosity we would have to pay for it.But god gave them the curiosity he is punishing them for in the first place. If he was such a cruel god, then he would`t have left anyone alive. So why let our race live?If everyone was dead there would be nobody left torture or terrorize. You don't know the mind of god. You have to at least admit that it's possible, if god is in fact cruel and not loving, that he likes the suffering and misery he sees here on earth, and that's why it exists and continues. He offered his only son to save us. Jesus, that we may be able to go to paradise with him once more.One human sacrifice in illiterate parts of the Middle East a few thousand years ago makes you feel comfortable about the status of your eternal soul? Also, you left out the part about groveling in worship and submission; that's also and essential part of gaining paradise with god. What I said about not judging him was that there are actions of him which we do not fully understand.I love how Christians do this. They can go on and on explaining the mind of god to me, but once I get to some of the morally questionable things god does all of a sudden they say "god acts in mysterious ways." But you can't have it both ways. You can either know and comprehend the mind of god (and, indeed, deliver judgement upon what you know, as you did in your first three paragraphs), in which case you need to understand and judge the morally reprehensible things as such, or you cant understand the mind of god which means you need to stop pretending you understand all the good bits. Whom he asked Abraham to offer his son Isaac to him, only testing his faith and thus rewards Abraham as the father of all nations.If you ignore the trauma Isaac suffered, cowering in fear as his loving father hovers over him with a knife, ready to slit his throat, urged on by a booming, otherworldly voice. And if you ignore the obvious moral paradox, that something immoral (murdering your son in cold blood) becomes moral simply because god commanded it. And if you ignore the severe mental dementia needed to be prepared to kill your son because you think you hear voices telling you to do so. If you ignore all these things, sure, gods still god some integrity.