azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

... and you missed the point completely.Questioning one's government's reason for going to war does not equal not going to war.Like if I ask "why should one plus one equal two?" does not mean that one plus one should not equal two...I know that's very confusing...I would argue that both WWI and II were very noble causes, and we faught on the right side.I would not scream bloody terrorist at anyone who dared question our government however,Which is the difference I tried (vainly apparently) to explain.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

that dosent make sense.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Liberals don't accuse large groups of people of being unpatriotic in order to garner support.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

They accuse the republicans, conservatives, & anybody else who doesn't agree with them.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Liberals accuse large groups of people of being patriotic. What's worse?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Since when did being Patriotic become an accusation? You drinking that hula-whoop-whoop juice again or what?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Jake have you even ever really met a "liberal"? I feel like you're a little out of touch.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Yes, I have met many liberals, and maybe I am out of touch.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I have met a liberal and I am sure he has, too. There are many of them and I am friends with many, I just disagree with them.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I have never met any "liberal" that made fun of people for being patriotic. I have never seen or heard on TV any "liberal" making fun of patriotism. In fact rarely have I met anyone, regardless of their political views, who made fun of patriotism. My issue with what Jake said is that he was making a broad stereotype, that is both inaccurate and offensive.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I agree. Liberals make fun of people who are patriotic. How could they possibly be more patriotic?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Liberals help poor and opressed people and have given women,african americans and the poor the same rights as the rich.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

That's called socialism so people who work hard and go to school whether they are rich or poor should give others who don't work hard their money? Yeah that's fair if that what its about then i want to stop work right now and receive those benefits. Your theory doesn't work it only makes the poorer poor and only expect hands out and makes people lazy.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

patriotism - love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it; "they rode the same wave of popular patriotism"; "British nationalism was in the air and patriotic sentiments ran high" Theres the definition. I would say Liberals are more willing to sacrifice for the country, because we are attempting to bring home our soldiers who are fighting a pointless war in Iraq, which wasn't a threat to us in the first place.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Liberals are tree hugging pacifists who are against fighting our enemies.They think we can just talk to our enemies & change their minds.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

It is by the very definition of liberalism that a liberal is more patriotic than a conservative:Where a conservative is unwilling to change from the status quo, to "preserve" a a country, a liberal is willing to make radical change- to do what is necessary.Where a conservative is unwilling to do anything that might contradict so-called "traditional values," a liberal is unconcerned with that, so long as nobody's rights are violated. Where a conservative is unwilling to help those who are downtrodden, the liberal is willing (and, hopefully, so are his or her constituency) to spend money to help. That's why liberals are more patriotic.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

More patriotic is difficult because one really understand patriotic means. Who knows. There are definition for patriotic but who is to say who is more patriotic, conservatives or liberals. I pick Liberal only because I am liberal.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

If it were not for the Liberals, this country would still be under the British flag.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

It depends on what you mean by "patriotic."If you mean by someone that mindlessly waves a flag and can't for the life of him see anything wrong with anything the country has ever done, then conservatives, certainly.If you mean someone that values freedom for everyone, honors their ancestors who found, bled, and died to create that freedom, cares deeply about not squandering the nation's security by not frittering away it's wealth in no-bid contracts and 'rescuing' fat-cat, well-connected donors on Wall Street, sending untold billions to useless defense contractors, defending the nation's integrity on the world stage, that kind of thing ... then it's hands down, liberals."Conservatives" - continue to worry yourselves with the pressing matters like the "war on Christmas," gay marriage, standing firm in your opposition to helping stave off a depression. We, the adults, the liberals, will work around you and do what needs to be done to save the country. Wave the flag all you would like. As if it even mattered. We'll take care of the financial crisis you made, the torture doctrine you created, the wars you started, the wasting away of the nation's wealth by concentrating it in the hands of a privileged few; we'll try our best to restore the freedoms you frittered away. Keep waging against "happy holidays" and the other straw men that so thoroughly occupy your time. We'll put out the fire.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I'm not in favor or one or the other side. I don't think that leftists or rightists are more patriotic in general. However, I noticed that the debate was dangerously close to being balanced so I thought I'd take the opportunity to balance it out. Hopefully, once and for all.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Both

Bingo! It's what I've been trying to point out. Not one or the other has the corner on the market of patriotism and it certainly doesn't matter which side of the middle one falls on. My God...they voted you down too! What a nasty assed thing to do.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Now look what you did! You made it unbalance...ugh. ;)
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Now look what I did! I made my pvtsomebody tipsy! I shall take my due punishment and beg for mercy. ;-)
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Lol, oh well I give up. I guess I made my point for a while at least.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Liberals without a doubt they have absolutely no morals whatsoever.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Both

Well now, LindseyKinns, this debate happens to be about Patriotism and not morals. I take offense at your accusation of Liberals having NO morals. I am a Democrat and therefore immediately thrown into the Liberal category! You are a Republican and automatically thrown into the Conservative category. Who knows? You may very well be a person with morals but to label an entire sector of society immoral makes no sense and is not to be believed or taken seriously. You've made the statement, now back it up with fact, if you please.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

We are more patriotic than liberals because we focus on the positive strength of america. We are are proud of our country for what it is and what it has been.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Yeah. I happen to find political segregation for the means of patriotic one-upmanship against your fellow countrymen extremely patriotic. Good show sir.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Just look at the our president right now apologizes to other countries for us. When was the last time any president has ever done this. Liberals always have been less patriotic I can recall liberal rallies burning the flag I can't even think of one Conservative rally that has ever done this.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Patriotism is not blindly following what your government tells you because you've been brain washed into thinking that your government is some kind of infallible god. Patriotism is sticking to your guns and fighting to make your country what you want it to be. What you are talking about is indoctrination, not patriotism.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I agree with all of that except for the lat sentence. ..............................
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I am sorry for what I am saying, but conservatives are to blame for A) everyone else hating us, and B) over 4,000 American troop deaths and close to a million (or more?) Iraqi deaths since 2003.I don't think there is much to be proud of the past 8 years...
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I'm sorry for what you said to, 1.) everyone does not hate us, that is a very general and false statement2.)Do you think we should be fighting terrorism? Because conservatives are not the only ones who voted to go to war 3.) It doesn't sound like you even want to be proud of anything, bitterness and a pessimistic attitude wont help anything
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

1.) okay, everyone does not HATE us, but much of the world does. Much more than is desirable.2.) Yes we should fight terrorism. Problem is, we're NOT. Former big oil CEOs may be fighting to gain political control over other peoples' oil, but bin Laden? Come on. And you're right, liberals voted to go to war too. Why? Because after they tried to make the argument that there is no justification to invade Iraq (which there wasn't), they were publicly labeled 'unpatriotic' by conservatives (which they aren't, if patriotism still means protecting America's interests). 3.) Pessimistic attitude won't help anything? So tell me what will. Perhaps paying attention to actual intelligence before invading a country that did nothing to us? Maybe calling attention to the egregious acts of the Bush administration? Obviously, that's not working. So tell me. Why would I want to pretend to be proud of something that is obviously not worth praising??
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Hey, we are not at war with Iraq!, we are at war with terrorist and yes they are in Iraq. Why shouldn't the people in Iraq have the same freedom that we have? Why shouldn't we get rid of the terrorists that are in Iraq? Do you think Iraq is the only place we are fighting terrorism?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Terrorists were not in Iraq until the USA invaded it!!! That is a fact that is backed up by a mountain of evidence! "Why shouldn't the people in Iraq have the same freedom that we have?"THey should! They were a sovereign state that was invaded by a hegemon that wanted their oil, and they are now victims of a war that should never have been started!! Where is their freedom now??
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

if its backed up then back it up! prove it."Terrorists were not in Iraq until the USA invaded it!!!" that doesn't make sence, why would the terrorists do that. I don't think they are that stupid. You are saying that they should have the same freedom that we have, just with terrorists in their country. You keep trying to agree and disagree with me at the same time.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

You wanted proof that we made more terrorists in Iraq so here it is, enjoy!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

"that doesn't make sence, why would the terrorists do that. I don't think they are that stupid."Obviously you have never studied world politics, because if you have, you would not even ask that question. Here is the answer:Sovereign country + a ruler who is intolerant of terrorists + trigger-happy oil-hungry hegemon = intolerant ruler gone + civil strife among THREE groups + inherent instability + basically a 'FAILED STATE' Where else would terrorists go? Come on."You are saying that they should have the same freedom that we have, just with terrorists in their country."NO, I am saying that they have less freedom now than they did before! And a million dead Iraqis!! Hello!!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

What's the point of saying something if you're just going to apologize for it. Either support your arguments or don't bother.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

It's just a way of showing respect for people's feelings when you're saying something that's liable to hurt them.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I understand that, but if you're worried about hurting someone's feelings by saying something than you probably shouldn't say it.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

No way, people should say what they think even if it hurts others.Open communication is very important.The trick is to disagree politely.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

"...if you're worried about hurting someone's feelings by saying something then you probably shouldn't say it" Did you bother read what I said at all?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Yes.You said if person A is worried that something they say will hurt person B's feelings, person A should keep their mouth shut.I disagreed.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Sorry, I'm just trying to keep the scores balanced as a statement on grounds that neither rightists nor leftists are more patriotic than the other.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

are you serious? cause a war with 4000 deaths, we are to blame? let me remind you that the liberal party who supported slavery which ultimately became the rally point for conservative men in the north to fight for .so since liberals who were mainly on the pro side of slavery of the war, should they be blamed for the casualties? those causalities number a total of 360,222, way more then the Iraq deaths. i would not tie an ideology with a war, but since you blamed conservative with the Iraq war, should i blame liberals with the civil war?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

we woudnt be in a war if Clinton had killed Osama
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Oh. Refresh my memory. What exactly does Osama bin Laden have to do with Iraq? I must have missed that part.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

We should have never been in a war with Iraq to begin with! Osama bin Laden had absolutely nothing to do with Saddam Hussein but 9/11 was a great excuse to pursue other interests there! Can you tell us why you think President Clinton didn't "kill" bin Laden? Do you know what the circumstances were then?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

There is absolutely no difference between the patriotism of liberals or conservatives, Democrats or Republicans and any other group of people who hang their hats on another hook in the cloak room of America! You confuse patriotism with the politics of individuals and that simply doesn't fly. The definition of Patriotism, according to Merriam-Webster is the "love for and devotion to one's country."I'll take the liberty of amending your statement to reflect my thoughts and feelings about America. I am proud to be an American but am not always proud of the things my country does. Through these 232 years America has been the torchbearer of freedoms and liberties unknown in other parts of the world. We have also been shameless in the treatment of our own brothers and sisters in this very land. I stand ashamed in their presence. I will strive to do the very best I can, as a citizen of this country, to help re-build the American way of life as outlined by our forebears so that one day, I will again be proud of my nation and its standing on the world stage. We can always do better than we have in the past. May we find the strength to make our dream a reality and,once again, revel in what this country can and will be.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Watch out....The toothless fairy is around again.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

haha I don't get it.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Just another name for the piss pot who goes around voting entire sides down. Early on in this one...99.9% of this whole side was voted down! No reason given just down.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Somehow this has turned into a "who's better" or "right" when it comes to political ideology. That is really an entirely different topic. Neither party if inherently more patriotic in my opinion. That being said, many people who are liberals have made very unpatriotic statements and vehemently attacked the U.S., often in a way that tries to stir up public sentiment against us in foreign countries. Trying to work to change something you like is not unpatriotic, attacking the country, making absurd conspiracy claims without proof, and trying to lower public opinion about the US are. Unfortunately, I have not seen any conservatives doing these things. I can name dozens of liberals who are doing just that.It shouldn't be that way; it doesn't have to be that way; and liberals in general are not unpatriotic. But there are some very unpatriotic liberals."for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" ... just made me sad...Oh, and I have also traveled all around the Americas and Europe, and people are better off, the poor have MUCH more, there is much more freedom, women, blacks and minorities have more opportunities, and all in all things are pretty good. We are perfectionists however and see what we still do poorly. This is good, but lets not forget the great things we have done.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Neither are very patriotic. I consider patriotism to be not only an undying love of one's country, but an unwavering adherence to its traditions. Higher taxes, more regulation, more government control are not tradition and they're not patriotic. However, on the Conservative side, warmongering, abuse of power, abrasion of civil liberties, and corporate backroom dealing is not patriotic either.Both sides have a lot to learn about who we are as a country and as a people. Both sides have strayed in different ways but both are of the opinion that government knows best and that is decidedly un-American.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Well it depends on what exactly you mean by patriotism, but I think it's fair to say that conservatives are generally the more patriotic.I think it's mainly because conservatives see the world as more competitive while liberals see the world as more cooperative. Flag waving and what have you is good in a competitive environment because it promotes a sense of unity -- it pulls the team together as one. These things are not so good in a cooperative environment because they exclude and separate people into groups -- creating an us vs. them mentality.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

You can look at this from different points of views.1. Conservatives are usually the guys with the "God Bless America" t-shirts and hats... bumper stickers... shit like that. i've never seen a liberal wear a "support our troops" shirt. it's not that liberals AREN'T patriots, it's that Patriotism isn't much of a concern for them.2. Liberals actually make fun of how Conservatives love America (Colbert Report, American Dad). They think talking about how much you love America is a joke.i think both love their country, but Conservatives definitely prove to be the more patriotic.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Because putting a bumper sticker on your car is the true sign of patriotism...riiiiight
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Well if you have a bumper sticker that says "God Bless America" then obviously you love America...riiiight
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Well not exactly, but let me tell you about an observation that I made. I see a lot of cars, a lot of them have American flag bumper stickers. A lot of them have Obama stickers. But never on the same car, never. Curious. Now I'm not saying that to be patriotic you have to have a freaking sticker, we both know thats ridiculous. But I just think it is interesting.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

not exactly, but they're not afraid of expressing their love for their country. it shows that it's their NUMBER ONE concern.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Oh puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Is that what sets them apart? I suspect there are more ways of expressing your love of country than bumper stickers, flags and such...and I just love the one that says "America, Love it or Leave it!" That IS the most UNPATRIOTIC slogan I've ever seen. My own slogan reads a bit differently..."America, Love it and Fix it." Haven't you "conservatives" ever heard of the right to dissent or freedom of speech? My number one concern is how to make our country better and function at its highest level.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

1. I am not a Conservative... please don't see things as black or white. i was purely making an analysis.2. America itself does not need fixing, this is why we have the form of government that we have. Because, if you don't like how the current government is going, you can simply vote against it next time. That is not fixing AMERICA, that is changing your government... which is what America is all about. Really, the only way you can actually change America is to open up the Declaration of Independence and do some editing. That is the birth of what we know as America.our country is what it is, and it shall stay that way (unless we have a Communist Revolution or something). If someone does not love their country... why would they stay there. it seems that bumper sticker is more about common sense than it is about patriotism.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I'm certainly not afraid of expressing love for this country (and in case you doubted it, I do love this country). My only issue is that there is a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. The latter of the two is dangerous, because what that says is we're superior to everyone else. So many people in the U.S. say that we have the best country, but have never even visited another country. I fail to understand that logic.Love where you are, but don't assume that just because of where you were born that you're better than other people. For some reason, it's way more acceptable that hundreds of thousands of middle easterners die than a single American. That's not patriotic, that's stupid. As for the NUMBER ONE concern, I'd say you are confused. If a mom puts a "my child is an honor student" bumper sticker on the back of their car, does that mean they suddenly care more about education than anyone else? If you want to put on a bumper sticker, great! Exercise your first amendment right, but don't assume you're better than me because I don't want to. Actions speak a whole lot louder than words.