Debate: Non-vegan foods should be banned worldwide.
Side: Yes, I agree.

"Your counter-reference is literally a comment chain on a news media page; it is comprised of unverified people lacking credentials (or even a full names), and a number of them also disagree with you." JaceDoes that matter, if the information correct? Animals have brains and nervous systems."The standard advanced by your reference is that suffering is constituted by an aversive response to negative stimuli; plants meet that criteria." JaceNo, that's the words you are attempting to put into my mouth. Animals have sensory organs, variability of response, appetite, and locomotion. Plants do not have these traits and therefore are not sentient. As for plant sentience, you are arguing on two contradictory fronts, this is called kettle logic. Front one, that animals aren't sentient and front two, that both plants and animals are sentient. Meanwhile, my argument is based on one front, that plants are not sentient and animals are. Even if plants were sentient, I've already showed it takes more grain to feed a cow and then eat the cow, as opposed to eating the grain."As for animal deaths, the least amount of harm is caused by a vegan diet.I never said that the vegan diet does not lead to fewer animal deaths; I said that this is irrelevant because of the preceding rationale. " JaceThis seems like nonsense to me. I am talking about the principle of least harm. Less harm is caused by eating a plant diet. Furthermore there is a vast difference between accidentally killing a field mouse with farming equipment as opposed to raising field mice en masse and deliberately slaughtering them for meat. "There are other omnivores whose consumption of meat cannot plausibly be claimed to be always necessary, because they do not only eat meat when there is no other food." JaceYou are talking about animals killing other animals. Humans cannot judge animals by the same standard as humans. An animal killing another animal in the wilderness does not excuse the deliberate and mass killing of animals. Nor does it excuse the random sadist who poisons dogs and cats. "Notably, there are also other animals which kill for pleasure (e.g. dolphins); does that make them moral? " JaceNo, humans cannot judge dolphins by the same standards as humans."Given the nutritional shortcomings of veganism (discussed at greater length below), it is entirely defensible to claim that at least some animal consumption is necessary for human well-being." JaceI've made it abundantly clear that humans do not need to consume animal products to live and thrive."Quite simply, if we did not need to be omnivores to survive we should expect not to have evolved to be omnivores which is obviously not the case. " JaceEating meat is preferable to starvation. Humans are omnivores that fare better on a vegan diet. "for reasons mentioned before and never addressed by yourself. " JaceI did address this issue, you just misunderstood what I was stating. "So what? I saw a burger at a local restaurant and several other omnivore dishes. There were no vegan dishes. Neither of us saying that proves anything at all, except that we each ate at restaurant with limited food options." JaceI've gone to many restaurants in my life and supermarkets and not once did I notice any insect dishes. Suffice to say, entomophagy dishes are not catching on in my country. "They are all points you are tacitly conceding by your digression into an unrrelated issue (using cows) which I have never advocated." JaceNo, but you haven't stated cow meat should be banned worldwide neither. Your quick to state that I have conceded a point, when simply there is so many points we are arguing its difficult to even keep track of them all. "Your first two references substantiate B-12 deficiency in vegans." JaceNo, they state that b-12 comes from neither plant nor animals but bacteria. That's why meat eaters can have b-12 deficiencies also. "In fact, vegans are at well-established, higher than average risk for deficiency in both B-12 and vitamin D. They are also at greater risk for additional deficiencies in protein, iodine, calcium, zinc, iron, and riboflavin (sometimes even with supplements). [5] [6] [7] " JaceOooooo, scary higher than average risk for deficiency. First, your link [6] and [7] don't work when I click them. Second, there are idiot humans everywhere. You see them driving drunk, texting, and so forth. Just because there are vegans who are careless, doesn't mean all vegans are reckless. In fact this is an argument to ban non-vegan foods. Why, because if everyone was vegan, people could share advice. Doctors would know which deficiencies to look for and advise people accordingly. Vitamin D can be gained from the sun.  As for insects being so healthy. Take a look at IGF-1 and animal protein. Consumption of animal protein increases IGF-1 production. Elevated IGF-1 levels increases risk for cancer.  You only have to glance at the rate of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and obesity to see that our current system is failing. It seems Jace has conceded the part about eggs, dairy, and all meats except insect meat.  " Do you realize you sound just as small-minded" JaceAd hominem For a change, I will go on the offensive. Jace has been controlling the debate by putting me on the defensive, turnabout is fair play.  Jace has attacked my idea of animal sentience. Yet, Jace has not committed to a view on whether or not animals are sentient and not made any statements about his morals.  I've made my idea clear that animals are sentient and plants aren't. That humans deliberately killing and eating animals is wrong but plants are alright. Jace has not done this.  I must ask you Jace, if it is alright for a human to kill an animal, then is it also okay to kill the severely mentally handicapped? Minorities? Woman? Where does the buck stop?  Since animals are sentient, I contend that there are no relevant differences between an animal and a severely mentally handicapped person. If Jace states that mass killing of animals are justified, then he must also explain why mass killing of mentally handicapped people is immoral.  I also propose that the best way to protect human rights is to protect animal rights. That by allowing ourselves to participate in the mass murder of sentient beings we pave the way for the mass murder of human beings.  Thank you for the debate.