Debate: Is there God?
Side: No

Oh, good grief. Is a floating bunny sufficient proof for God, or can something else be evidence of God and we don't even realize it? If we discovered some new substance that just happens to be the same substance that God is made out of, how would we know? We don't have a God to go off of to know if we're observing something that is connected to God.And your point is? Whether the evidence is lacking because we simply don't have it, or because it is impossible, a reason to believe a god exists, is still lacking...How do you think beliefs work? They're subjective. I may believe that you are a female, but if you don't prove to me that you are a male, how would I know? Evidence isn't proving that a God doesn't exist either, so maybe it would be best for you to just not form any sort of opinion regarding the source of creation.If there was sufficient evidence for god's nonexistence, I would be a gnostic atheist, rather than an agnostic atheist. I don't need evidence against a god, to not believe, or not be convinced of a god's existence, there just needs to be a lack of evidence for a god. That is the most logical position.Care to elaborate?Some beliefs are subjective, some are objective. Depends on the belief.What is the evidence? There is evidence against the Genesis creation myth, there is evidence against a talking serpent, against Greek and Roman gods... But what evidence is there against an intelligent Creator? None.agreed, now what evidence is there for an intelligent creator? None. So we can't believe either way, we can't believe an intelligent creator exists, nor can we believe an intelligent creator doesn't exist, thus we are skeptical.Why is looking for a reason. How is looking for a method.Why= It landed on it's side.How=I knocked it over.How = It landed on it's sideWhy = I knocked it overI knocked it over is a reason, it landed on it's side is a method... it could go either way.What substantiated reason do you have for not believing in God? Whatever you say could be interpreted differently by a theist, and used as support for their beliefs.I don't need a reason... non-belief is the default position. My substantiated reason, is that their isn't a substantiated reason to believe in the first place, thus I do not believe.Atheists (and people belonging to a religion) tend to think materialistically. Materialism is why we have wars... Money, oil, even religious wars. It is why we have crimes... Theft, murder, drug-trafficking. It is why we have both greed and poverty. Every government is run by materialists and we all know how corrupt the world's governments are. It is why our society is obsessed with fashion, appearance, cars, TV. It is why bullying and gossiping exists. It is responsible for depression and suicide. So many negative things. It's the reason why the world is going to shit.You don't have to be materialistic to be an atheist, and you don't have to be spiritual to not be materialistic either. If you need spirituality to keep you from being materialistic, that's something you should think about. There are more important things than money, possessions, etc I agree.Now let me explain spirituality, from my point of view, as well as many others. I see the entire universe as one, so everything is a connection of myself. I don't want to hurt anyone or anything, because ultimately I am doing harm to myself (self-defense is obviously a different story though.) This means that the ingredients in food that ultimately harm us, would not be included. Man-made pollutants would not exist. Hate is useless. It only leads to more hate. Arguing is useless, all ideas should be considered (Of course, I'm saying this while typing up an argument lol). Life should not be spent trying to acquire green paper that some old government dudes said equals life points. So, a spiritual society would be one of sharing.Or just a philosophical society, with that philosophy.We all work together. The crap that comes on TV, appears in magazines, the internet, etc. brainwashes society into being even more materialistic, so that shit would be gone too. It sounds disappointing, but TV isn't something that truly spiritual people are interested in anyways. It's life that interests them. Live life as if it is a ride, not a job. An adventure, not a burden. I use the internet because it is useful. I can communicate with people and I can obtain a vast amount of knowledge through it... But it is ultimately more useful in a materialist society than a spiritual one, but that could be reversed depending on the things users are exposed to. Materialists tend to think of past and future more than they think about now (maybe that is why you've been trying to convince me before and after exist lol). People that focus on now are happier. They aren't thinking "I can't believe what that asshole said earlier!" or "I'm going to let him have it when I see him later!". Those things don't exist, so no need to continue worrying about them.We don't need spirituality to do that. I better stop before I make this argument too long lol. I'll let Russell Brand explain the rest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkpxi6MayY We don't need spirituality to change the world, we don't need to convince ourselves something is true in order to motivate us to make the world better, if humanity needs fancies in order to motivate it to do better, then humanities problem is not that it doesn't have enough fancies, but that it is to unmotivated.You can believe whatever you want. I choose to believe in God, because in my opinion that seems more logical... But we're only human, and I don't come programmed with knowledge of everything, so sometimes I stick with a guess that best suits me. I do not live my life with a fear of any sort of eternal damnation, but to me my personal realization that a "God" exists was a freeing thing. I didn't always look at things spiritually. I was much more materialistic before, and I still sometimes fall victim to materialism due to the society we live in, but my outlook, mood and joy I get out of life has significantly improved. Why question that?I don't question living life more fulfilling, less on greed, and what not. What I do question is, the existence of a god, and an afterlife, those aren't necessary to be a better person.You need a reason for both. They go hand in hand. I believe in God, therefore I don't believe an unintelligent whatever created the universe. You on the other hand, believe that the unintelligent whatever created the universe, but don't believe in God.I believe SOMETHING created the universe, I don't believe it is unintelligent necessarily neither do I believe it IS intelligent necessarily. I don't need a reason to not believe, other than that there is no reason to believe. I was born non-believing, if the concept of a god never existed, nobody would believe, and they wouldn't need a reason, it being asserted doesn't make it necessary for their to be reason to not believe, unless a reason to believe has been shown.I believe that we can come to a better understanding through spirituality, but that's me.Well, if that is true, show me how. Of course this would require evidence for your spiritual claims.How does a clock tick? Gears and different parts. Kind of like our brain and internal organs.Why does a clock tick? Gears and different parts. Kind of like our brain and internal organs.Why does a clock tick? It notifies us of each passing second. Each time the hand moves, it clicks.How does a clock tick? It notifies us of each passing second. Each time the hand moves, it clicks.So, why do we tick? Just about everything has some sort of purpose. Bees pollinate flowers, trees give us oxygen, rain waters plants, and so on. I personally believe we are here for spiritual growth.Ahh NOW we are getting somewhere. Purpose can also just mean the function of something, but more often then not, it means the intention behind something. Why do you assume their is an intention behind everything? why do you think that?A tree is known for what it contains. If an apple is the highlight of an apple tree, then we may be the highlight of Earth. But the apples didn't just appear on the tree. They grew from the tree, and from our point of view, that's the only use we have for apple trees. We want apples to keep growing because we have a purpose for them. So could it be that God wants humans to keep "growing" because he has a purpose for them? I think we need to look within ourselves to find out who we truly are, and like I said, I think God is our higher Self... So we're God exploring himself. Maybe God is trying to understand who he truly is.But if humans (or other animals that eat apples) weren't around it would have no purpose. What makes you think there is a being that has a purpose for us?