azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

According to your justification in A, it logically follows that God should kill everyone all the time. Is that not absurd?He should! We are evil and horrible peoples. But God, in His incredible love, displays His patience and common grace/mercy to all peoples so that they may live. One day God destroys them, if they have sinned. Whether that be in the future, or whether that was in the past, through Christ'a sacrifice, we all who have sinned die.B is simply a bald assertion. If killing is evil, and God kills, then it logically follows that God is evil. Either God's evil actions are justified because of the evil of the tribe he chose to kill, and thus evil justifies more evil, or God's actions are unjustified because they are evil. Which is it?Killing is not evil. Who said that?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. That is utterly ridiculous. God created man... man is evil... god should destroy evil... god should destroy what he created. Seriously? Why don't we all do him a favor and just kill each other then? Oh, but that would be evil and we should be punished for that... but God shouldn't? Please explain the logic here, it seems highly contradictory to me.B. Let's be specific then. Is killing babies evil?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. That is utterly ridiculous. God created man... man is evil... god should destroy evil... god should destroy what he created. Seriously? Why don't we all do him a favor and just kill each other then? Oh, but that would be evil and we should be punished for that... but God shouldn't? Please explain the logic here, it seems highly contradictory to me.We messed up. We shouldn't have sinned. We will be destroyed for our evil, but that does not mean that we should repay evil with evil, in destroying others without just cause.B. Let's be specific then. Is killing babies evil?It depends on the context.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. This is not an explanation, but a devious way of trying to evade the logical dilemma here:Using simple modus ponens:Premise 1: If X kills Y, then X is evil.Premise 2: X kills YConclusion: Therefore X is evil.Is this reasoning correct or not? If it's not, then why would God make a commandment that dictates as such? If it is, then God is evil.Another angle I could attack this at is this: God should destroy evil. Man is evil. Therefore, God should destroy man. But God doesn't destroy man. Therefore God is evil.Please address these two arguments.B. Tell me a single context in which killing babies is not evil.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

If X kills y, then X is evil.Who said that?Another angle I could attack this at is this: God should destroy evil. Man is evil. Therefore, God should destroy man. But God doesn't destroy man. Therefore God is evil.This is a clear logical fallacy.B. Tell me a single context in which killing babies is not evil.Babies are sinful, just as I. They deserve death, just as I. If they are killed by God, under just conviction, then it would be just to kill them.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. Is one of the commandments though shalt not kill? If it is, isn't that a moral law? If it is, then it follows that according to God, if X kills Y then X is evil. If this is God's law, then it follows that if God kills humans, then God is evil.B. Rather than just asserting it, please explain how it is fallacious.C. Why is God exempt from his own moral rule? If we are to understand that killing someone is wrong, then how else are we to interpret God's actions except by the standard which he gives us? If killing something that is sinful is right, then why is there a commandment that tells us to do otherwise? How is this anything but contradictory?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. Is one of the commandments though shalt not kill? If it is, isn't that a moral law? If it is, then it follows that according to God, if X kills Y then X is evil. If this is God's law, then it follows that if God kills humans, then God is evil.The commandment is not to murder. Killing is fine, if it is justified.B. Rather than just asserting it, please explain how it is fallacious.Simply because God does not destroy evil, and God should destroy it, it does not follow that God is evil. There is no logical premise to derive the conclusion to which one might say "God is evil."C. Why is God exempt from his own moral rule? If we are to understand that killing someone is wrong, then how else are we to interpret God's actions except by the standard which he gives us? If killing something that is sinful is right, then why is there a commandment that tells us to do otherwise? How is this anything but contradictory?Killing is not wrong inherently. Stop looking at the King James Version.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. What, then, is the difference between killing and murder?B. Ok. So by way of analogy, if I had the power to stop a person from murdering an innocent, am I not an accomplice to the action? Does that not make me at least partially morally responsible, and thus evil?C. You'll have to establish why I should stop looking at the King James version rather than flatly discrediting it.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

A. What, then, is the difference between killing and murder?Murder is unjustified killing.B. Ok. So by way of analogy, if I had the power to stop a person from murdering an innocent, am I not an accomplice to the action? Does that not make me at least partially morally responsible, and thus evil?Not at all. We aren't utilitarians, since utilitarianism is pernicious. It makes everyone guilty necessarily and involuntarily, stripping one of moral integrity. Under utilitarianism, if I am simply walking down the street and a man comes up to me saying that if I do not kill Person X, then he will kill 10 people, including Person X, then I must kill the person. I am guilty of murder if this is the case; under some branches of utilitarianism, like what you are referencing, I would also be guilty if I let him be. I am guilty, thus, for simply being there. There is no moral integrity, only moral guilt, necessarily. This can, then, be applied to the world as a whole, making everyone guilty of every crime ever committed. Utilitarianism is not logical, making your notion of a person being guilty for letting something else happen also illogical.C. You'll have to establish why I should stop looking at the King James version rather than flatly discrediting it.The KJV is from the Latin Vulgate, which was also translated from some of the worst sets of Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. It is a double translation, not a singular one. The ESV goes straight from Greek and Hebrew to English.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

A. Alright. And how does one go about determining justification?B. Some of us are, so I reject your claim. I'll rephrase my claim then: if we have the power to prevent evil then we are under moral obligation to do so. Not doing so would mean to be morally irresponsible, i.e. evil. God has absolute power, even the power to control our actions or hearts, and could not suffer any unfavorable consequences, rendering him exponentially more morally obligated. The circumstances you provide may be unsatisfying, that does not render them illogical.C. If you would care to provide evidence of this, I will consider it. Otherwise I will continue to utilize the most commonly used bible in English-speaking culture, the one that most English-speakers refer to when they refer to the bible.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”God was simply removing the evil from his world. That is in itself a Good deed.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

So the children and infants were all evil? This doesn't strike me as a particularly coherent argument to make.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

It would be evil to just kill the parents and then leave the infants to suffer without someone to care for them.It would be evil if they let the infants grow up to be raised by the villains in the civilization and thus leading them to become evil anyway.It would be evil to take the children from the parents and then have the children watch their parents be slaughtered.So they all must die conjointly.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

So I would be perfectly justified in killing infants if they were to grow up to be raised by villains?I would be perfectly justified in killing infants if they were to suffer without someone to care for them?I would be perfectly justified in killing infants if the alternative is to have them watch their parents be murdered?Im not sure why this is true as ANY of the above would be considered evil if they were committed in the real world.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

How is killing animals and babies - both of which have limited cognitive abilities - "removing evil"?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

It is accepted by most Christians that god created all there is. It is also accepted by most Christians that those who do not believe in the correct god (the Christian god in the believers eyes) are doomed to spend an eternity in hell. If this were not true what would the be the good in proselytizing non believers if not to save their eternal souls?Therefore the Christian god would have created billions of people geographically and culturally isolated from the words of his followers since the inception of Christianity, not to mention the near hundred thousand years homo-sapiens walked this earth before the Christian religion came to light, with no purpose other than to torture these unfortunate billions of souls at no fault of their own.If any person were to do anything remotely similar like raising animals such as dogs for instance only to torture them people would find that person to be morally corrupt, sick in the head. The actions of torturing such animals has been attributed to actions of some serial killers in their childhoods. Many would argue that dogs are not comparable to humans and still the act would be atrocious in their eyes and to do something similar to humans would be a deeply unforgivable act that only someone who is without morals or evil would be capable of. Just as people may assume dogs are below people they can also assume people are below a god, and this will still not justify the actions to be just.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Through God plans he is punishing evil. Therefore he is doing a good thing. Regardless of the action used. Even then any action he makes is not inherently evil. It is a simple action that can be seen as either good, bad, or neutral.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

Your claim is a bit nonsensical in the context provided, maybe even circular. It appears you need more context and warranting statements. Through God plans he is punishing evil. First, are you saying god created a situation that is evil and then he is punishing the evil he created? Second, how is the situation I outlined above evil? Is it evil because he is punishing it?Lets just fast forward the game you play with foundationalism and just skip to what supports your claim above.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

Your claim is a bit nonsensical in the context provided, maybe even circular.Sorry I am running through arguments fast. First, are you saying god created a situation that is evil and then he is punishing the evil he created? God cannot create evil. God only created good. Evil is the lack of good and God is good therefore evil is the lack of God. Second, how is the situation I outlined above evil?What was situation 1? Lets just fast forward the game you play with foundationalism and just skip to what supports your claim above.Suprised you guus can't understand something so simple.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

God cannot create evil. God only created good. Evil is the lack of good and God is good therefore evil is the lack of God.All you are doing is declaring things to be so, you offer no proof. In fact these declarations fly in the face of the actions outlined. How is the situation I outlined above good? The only thing holding your argument up is circular referencing/begging the question...so nothing holds it up except faith.What was situation 1? It wasn't a one it was the letter 'i' as in myself. Scroll up and read the situation I outlined, are you arguing or just point mining?Suprised you guus can't understand something so simple.See my first point in this response, you are just making claims without proof. The bible is full of these petitions of principle. I am surprised you don't understand something so simple...Example of your logic so far:"My hat is warm. It is warm because hats are warm."You could say 'My hat is made of wool. Wool traps heat well, therefore my hat is warm' These things can be warranted or tested. 'God can only make good so anything he does is good' cannot be tested and can only be warranted by further petitions of principle.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

All you are doing is declaring things to be soOr stating the obvious. you offer no proofThe proof is the logic. Dispute that. The only thing holding your argument up is circular referencing/begging the question...so nothing holds it up except faithFalse. It wasn't a one it was the letter 'i' as in myself.Ah. Example of your logic so far:"My hat is warm. It is warm because hats are warm."That is completely off. It's more like:Cold is the lack of heat. Heat is hot. My hat is not cold. Therefore my hat has a lack of heat, or is hot.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

I asked several times for you to address my points and you never have. I asked for your foundation to back up any comment you made, you just reassert the comment you made.You just made statements that basically said you disagree.I showed where your logic erred you just say, and I summarize here, 'Nuh uh'. We can look again since you asked. Here is a copy paste of your logic from above bold is yours italics is yours too but my emphasis.The proof is the logic. Dispute that.Cold is the lack of heat. Heat is hot. My hat is not cold.  Therefore my hat has a lack of heat(pretty sure you mean lack of cold here), or is hot.My hat is not cold= god is good by the way(or not evil in this context). This is a petition of principle, you need to show this but you haven't. Then you just say again that your hat is hot in another way. My hat is not cold. My hat has a lack of cold or is hot.Jim is taller than Bill, why? because Bill is shorter than Jim. Without proving god is good you then say your conclusion which is only held up by your assertion of the first part that you didn't prove. Now we can further measure hot and cold to prove those, but you haven't measured god being good. You are taking that for granted. To be clear we are not disputing the difference between hot/col good/evil but where god falls on the spectrum. Tautalogy is terrible in debates as it assumes you are already correct. It is circular or begging the question as I just showed above. We could measure Bill or Jim and see, but just stating that one is taller and the other is shorter over and over again doesn't prove anything. My argument measures Jim and Bill, yours just repeats itself despite my measure showing your conclusion not to fit the measure I used.Saying something is does not make it so. You have to show why it is as well as why my measure doesn't work. You are skipping the why bit. Your 'logic' only works if someone agrees with you, well I do not agree with you.I am fine with you believing whatever you want. If you got anything out of this I hope it is to see why you are not able to change minds with your tactics and the circular nature of what you argue with.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

As a quick addendum, I had a quick look: Genesis 7:21-23, God sends a flood on the pretence that humans have become evil. Killing every child, newborn and foetus on the planet, even assuming every single grown up is so evil they deserve to die.Exodus 12:29 God kills all the egyptian first born, who were undoubtedly innocent bystanders.Numbers 16:41-49 the Israelites raise a complaint against god that he keeps killing many of them. He then gets angry and sends a plague to kill 14,000 more.Joshua 6:20-21. God helps the israelites kill men, women, young and old in Jericho.Deuteronomy 2:32-35: God orders the Israelites to kill the inhabitants of Heshbon, including all the children.Deuteronomy 3:3-7 and the same in bashanNumbers 31:7-18. Murder of all the midianites. The virgins are taken as spoils of war.1 Samuel 6:19 god kills 50,000 people for curiously looking into a box.Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in sodom and Gomorrah (men, women and children). And lots wife for having the audacity of looking back at her burning home.2 Kings 2:23-24: God sends bears to maul/"tear apart" 42 children.This shows a consistent pattern of moral evil. If any single person did any of these acts, leave alone all of them, they would be considered evil by modern society.
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

I feel like I have answered this many times before, but I guess I will again, If the Christian God exists with characteristics acording to the bible, then he:1. Is A Mass Murderer:-flooding the entire earth, killing the entire world population with the exception of one family for a mistake he made-Genesis 6:5 - 10:32-Killed all first born Egyptian children-Exodus 12:29-commanded the Israelites to slaughter the Almaeks-1 Samuel 15:2-3-Demanded the genocides of various other nations and regions- (Numbers 31:17), (Deuteronomy 2:33-34), (Isaiah 13:15-18), etc.Condones Murder:- Homosexuals must be killed- Leviticus 20:13 NAB- kill people who don't listen to priests- Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT- kill children who disobey their parents- (Exodus 21:15 NAB), (Proverbs 20:20 NAB), (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)- kill witches- Exodus 22:17 NAB - kill fortune tellers- Leviticus 20:27 NAB- kill non Christians- Exodus 22:19 NAB- kill non believers- 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB- if an entire town worships another god, then you must wipe them all out- Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT- kill people who work on Sunday- Exodus 31:12-15 NLTViews Women as inferior:- Credits women as being responsible for all humankinds damnation and that a man should have dominion over woman- Genesis 3:16- Instructions on how to sell your daughter into sex slavery- Exodus 21:7- Men are allowed to take multiple wives (the same does not apply to women)- Exodus 21:10- Says that women are born filthy and must be cleansed- Leviticus 12:1-8- God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men- Leviticus 27:3-7- Women cannot make a vow unless their husband allows it- Leviticus 27:3-7- Women who are not virgins, unless married, must be stoned to death- Deuteronomy 22:13-22- encourages the rape of female citizens of enemy nations during wartime- Deuteronomy 20:13-15- If a woman is raped in a populated area and doesn't cry out, then she must be killed- Deuteronomy 22:23-24- If a woman is raped, she must marry her rapist- Deuteronomy 22:28-29Condones Slavery:- instructions on how to purchase and treat your slaves- Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT- instructions on how to sell your own daughter into slavery- Exodus 21:7-11 NLT- states its ok to beat your slaves as long as the slave survives the beating for at least two days- Exodus 21:20-21 NAB- states that slaves must obey their masters as they would serve Christ- Ephesians 6:5 NLTNeed I go on?...
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

1. Is A Mass Murderer:Incorrect. Mass killer. How has God murdered here? Do you not think God, the judge of the universe, should destroy evil? Atheists are always complaining why there is evil in this world, but when God destroys some of it, they complain. Why? Because they hate God and everything He does, regardless of it being good.Condones Murder:How so? Is justice not a good thing? Should capital punishment be considered murder?Views Women as inferior:How so? You do realize that Genesis 3 is actually the man's fault, correct? 1 Timothy informs us that the woman was deceived, not the man. Hence, the man willingly let his wife be deceived. Eve was not the one who was there at the time of the command by God to not eat of the tree, which means that Adam was required, as the head of his home, to teach Eve. Did he do so properly? No. Many theologians say that this was the first sin, not the eating of the tree. Hence, man actually is to blame, not woman, though woman does share in the evil. Moreover, God in Genesis 1 and 2 establishes that woman was created under the category of "God's image", which is to say that man and woman are equal, though they have different roles; role is not equivalent to value.Condones Slavery:Is there a problem with slavery? We have the same form of slavery today. Its called community service......
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

1. I see no evidence that God has "destroyed" evil anywhere outside of the stories of the bible. Why didn't God destroy Hitler before concentration camps murdered millions? Why not Stalin? What about the genocidal mania that goes on in certain parts of Africa or the Middle East? If a god exists who is so amoral in his choices, why would he have not even lifted a finger to stop those atrocities?2. Some people would say yes. Some people would say there's a higher morality than "eye for an eye." Basic game theory dictates that that is a LOSING strategy.3. This fails to address the way the bible states women's roles in other passages. It's a deflection.4. Is there a problem with slavery? Are you serious?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Nope

1. I see no evidence that God has "destroyed" evil anywhere outside of the stories of the bible. Why didn't God destroy Hitler before concentration camps murdered millions? Why not Stalin? What about the genocidal mania that goes on in certain parts of Africa or the Middle East? If a god exists who is so amoral in his choices, why would he have not even lifted a finger to stop those atrocities?Jesus destroyed evil on the cross. After this event, God not longer destroys evil in death, but in the death that has already happened. We believe in God, and He will restore to us a new heart over time.2. Some people would say yes. Some people would say there's a higher morality than "eye for an eye." Basic game theory dictates that that is a LOSING strategy.And eye for an eye was Jewish civic law.3. This fails to address the way the bible states women's roles in other passages. It's a deflection.Role is not equivalent to value.4. Is there a problem with slavery? Are you serious?What? Do you have a problem with community service? Do you have a problem with people paying off debts?
Debate: Is the Christian God evil?
Side: Yep

1. My point was that outside of the stories of the bible, there is no evidence whatsoever that God destroys evil. If God were so good and so powerful, why wouldn't he? I would say this makes him an accomplice to evil.2. An eye for an eye was a dictate created by God. Hence, God is evil.3. The very definition of submission is the acting of yield to a superior force or power. If one thing is superior to another, it is arguably more valuble.4. Community service and debt repayment is not slavery in and of itself. In both of those situations people enter into a contract voluntarily, the antithesis of slavery. Slavery is coercive.