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Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

prove that I threw a fit?I was merely giving an argument the same way that you did so that you would know what place you have put me in...You decided to become irrational and just go to insults while I was trying to have a proper debate. Since that happened, I decided to do the same thing (except, mine actually had a point to it which you obviously missed).how sad though, you seem to actually think you got me, pride is the worse sin, ya know... lulz.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

You don't seem to understand why people use the word "gay" as a negative, which was my point.Happy does not mean lame. Colorful does not mean lame. When they say gay to mean lame, they mean homosexuals are "lame," or whatever. (See Jake's post).And at 21, I think of myself as fairly young. And I know many young people who do not use the word as a negative, including myself.We don't care if there are more definitions to the word. We just don't want those definitions to be evident disses toward us. Because that's what it is.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Well, if gay were to actually be a diss, it would refer to it's original term meaning joyful, festival color.Stop being selfish and acting as if this one word belongs so dearly to you. It doesn't, and it's quite gay that everyone in the world has to make such a big deal when a new definition arises for a word. Hell, the term gay isn't even used to describe what would actually be "gay" things... Bruno was described as vile... not gay. But, The Final Destination was described as gay.Tell me... which to you is more gay? Bruno or The Final Destination?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Gay is not only used to mean "lame" it can have many common uses when used as a derogatory adjective. Common does not make it right, though.Bruno the character was gay. Bruno the movie was offensive and vulgar.I've never seen Final Destination, but I assume it would be lame.Oh gosh! Look at that. Where I could have used the word "gay" to describe something, I used the word "lame." Hmmm....I almost didn't even noticed that I had done that. It's almost as if using an unoffensive term was.... easy.Dang, what an epiphany.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

So now you're arguing about the use of offensive terms and substituting for less offensive terms?What are you, a Conservative now?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

"When they say gay to mean lame, they mean homosexuals are "lame," or whatever. (See Jake's post)."No. I mean that homosexuality is lame not the homosexuals themselves. I never said anybody was lame. But thanks. l:
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

I am a young person and I find that using gay as lame is hurtful..Also why must we call things "Lame" i mean the origins of that word is to describe disabled people, so in turn you are not only creating a negative connotation for the word gay but also a term used for disabled individuals.We should all be more careful about the language that we use. They are a powerful thing.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Ah, so we shouldn't even say lame because it's disrespectful towards a certain group.Can't use a flip book because that'll piss off Filipino people. Can't eat whoppers cause that'll piss off Italians.Or... we can just stop bitching about words and focus on more important things, like terrorism.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Heya, Pyg... Maybe you are speaking for yourself, but certainly not all young people.The harm lies in the very nature of your line of thinking. Gays are discriminated against, tortured and murdered just for being gay world wide. To think that there is no offense is to not be thinking.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Exactly. I'm glad someone else finally decided to chime in. We have the freedom to be hateful and hurtful if we want to, but why would we freely choose to hurt people when it would be just as easy to use a different word and avoid causing harm? That's just malicious and nasty.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

The whole point of insulting somebody is to use insulting language.Its up to the individual to be insulted by being called 'gay'. Nearly all men take it as an insult. (homosexuals and their supporters aren't men). It has several meanings aswell as plain old gay. It can mean lame, stupid, ugly, silly and in its own right has become a word similar to those.If you want to insult somebody using derogatory language, you use words that are perceived as derogatory. It's wrong to be gay and so its wrong to be called gay and so calling somebody gay to offend them is a good way of going about it.Simple logic.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

One problem with your argument: there's nothing wrong with being gay.A gay person isn't a bad person, they are just different.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

I agree that there is nothing wrong with being gay but I don't believe gay people are different. In your logic then, women are different too because they're not men. Muslims are different because they're not Christian...
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Women are different then men. They have different pee-pee parts for one thing. "Different" doesn't mean "worse".
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Honestly, I think that people need to stop being so sensitive. Sure, it can be offensive, but these days, calling something "Gay" doesn't mean you're calling it homosexual, it just means that you're calling it stupid/lame. It's like how Bass has two meanings. "Gay" has become a homograph in the english language (at least... as far as pop culture slang says so).
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

This kind of reasoning is dismissive of the harm it causes to a minority group that we share the world with. There is a gross disconnect on the part of anyone who uses the word to mean anything other than to describe being happy or to describe being homosexual. Even the long standing use of what should mean happy to identify a homosexual person is derogatory, yet it is firmly established and at least there is no inherent insult (yet, it deeply implies "different from what is normal"). If you hold firm to the type of thinking that the color blue is for boys and that pink is for girls and use "gay" to mean "lame" in your everyday speech, I urge you to consider that the world and the use of "gay" in this context is far more complex than the consideration you are giving it. What might be an acceptable use for you personally is actually hurting others. While we live is a world where a teenager is killing himself for being homosexual an average of once a week and a man is murdered for being homosexual an average of once a month (both rates are probably higher as this is only what gets reported), measurable harm is being done. To fail to recognize this and use the word to mean lame is to condone these deaths and murders.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Ok,most people will say that word gay can cause pain, bad affects on people's lifes, or even bad future affects on people's lifes. I can currently 15, a sophmore in high school. I am infact, a homosexual. I'll make a list of everything I see as see a reason. 1. Gay has been over used. By that I mean, people don't really call other's gay as much as you think anymore. Now they prefer more insulting things. Gay has been so used so many times, it's not as popular as a word to say now-a-days. 2. Not very insulting. By this you can take different points of veiws of this, examples: Calling a gay person a gay isn't very isulting at all, People can take it has it meaning happy, People don't see much as a insult thus going back to it being over used. 3. If you take away the word gay then accual gay people can't use the word as well. I have a rainbow armband that says gay on it. It's not offending anyone, infact it helps get me dates, and others just see me as a homosexual. 4. It makes things a little bit more diffcult. I mean as in, if that should be ok, or not ok, or is it even right? I have a shirt that says, gaymer. Most of you will find something wrong with that, http://gaymer.org/ gaymer.org is a gay video gamer support group. If you take gay as being a "bad" word. I will not be able to wear this shirt. Plus if I do, people will take into question ifthat shirt is "ok" or is it to "out there"With all that into consideration, I guess it's up to you to decide if you want the word "gay" to be ok or not. Please try to see the point from both veiws before deciding what you think is right or not-right.Thanks, sorry if there is any mis-spelled words, I'm using my bad labtop and the keys can get jammed a lot and it also won't let me use the spell check, so thank you for reading
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Thanks for your viewpoint. I don't think anyone here is objecting to the use of the word "gay," but only to using it to mean "stupid" or "lame".
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

The way this term is perceived has changed massively amongst the youth and adult culture.Its more often than not a painless term, and carry's no offense, and is a more descriptive means of describing something as 'tacky' or a bit 'crappy'.I would suggest it no longer imply's any harm or offense to anyone of a homosexual nature. When used as a form of slang :)Unless maybe ure a bit ''oldy worldy'' the sorta chump who takes offense when someone farts in your general direction!!
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

The harm lies in the very nature of this line of thinking. Gays are discriminated against, tortured and murdered just for being gay world wide. To think that there is no offense is to not be thinking.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I like to cut to the chase and say: "That's homosexual". Because in my opinion homosexuality = lame. [Just my opinion don't slaughter me.] But would I say it around somebody that was gay? No. That would be mean. I'm not heartless.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Honestly, what you just said is mean and heartless. It is the exact thing that people in my shoes are fighting against. You are the kind of people who "passively" discriminate. You wont do it to the victims face because that would make you look bad and tarnish your reputation of being a non hateful person. in reality, you are. Sorry to burst your bubble, but thinking, acting, and saying things like that only makes the argument stronger. You are directly supporting hate and making people who are gay feel like they can't be who they are without having to be hated on and treated like dirt. thank you for your heart warming support for hate.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

So this begs the question... Is it lame that one person could love a person of the same gender or lame that parts of society have an issue with it? This post was actually kind of funny, but also somewhat at core of what is wrong with the lack of thought and consideration that that should go into issues that deplu affect gay people.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Yes. First of all, I don't care how derogatory the term is (i.e. D-go, n-gg-er, etc [hyphens added to avoid controversy, though I, personally, am not against it]); what does it matter: it's a word. Whether you say 'gay', 'homosexual', 'sexually different', 'pervert', or any other stupid politically correct (or incorrect) term, you are still getting the same meaning across. It's a controversial subject, if you choose it, be prepared for hatred.P.S. Google 'Rev. Fred Phelps', the most extreme people on here aren't as bad as him.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I agree with terminator. I'm gay, and the fact that people use the word 'gay' in a derogatory sense doesn't bother me in the SLIGHTEST. Nor should it bother anybody else, because they should just accept that the english language is a very complex field, and the meaning of words are constantly changing and developing new connotations. I agree that this new use of the term 'gay' isn't helping to normalise homosexuality, nor is it showing it through rose tinted spectacles, but the point is, it's not something that MAJORLY affects gay people, to the extent where it makes them commit suicide. People being singled out and bullied at school because they are gay causes people to kill themselves, yes, but using the word gay as a casual and meaningless insult does NOT. Otherwise we'd have already heard about it by now. Try to change my mind ? You'll have to try very hard.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

You may feel like it doesn't matter, but in reality there are many gay or bisexual individuals who won't come out because people still support such jargon. No, there are many gay people out there who are not flamboyant and feminine. And these gays are those who do not want to deal with the stigma str8 people force onto such a life style. Those who say that it is life and deal with it need to try thinking the way of "what gives the person the right to treat someone that way". On the stand that the English language evolves constantly, it does because people are lazy and do not want to actually learn nor apply a vocabulary let alone gather the actual respect for an individual to think that they are really doing something that brings even more negative connotations to a lifestyle that is hard to begin with.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

To use the word casually is to condone the suicides and murder of gays world wide.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Those like ThePyg who use the word "gay" to mean "lame" are either willfully or inadvertently hurting other people in a way that is difficult to understand except as an expression of ignorance, homophobia, or a considerable emotional/social immaturity. I suppose the question of whether a person "should" use the word this way is pointless. As ThePyg aptly points out, free speech is important. People are free to hurt each other with their words if they wish to. However, I'm guessing that if they knew how hurtful this small act is, they would stop perpetrating it. What we should ask instead is how we can help these insensitive and socially immature individuals develop their empathy and understanding of how their subtly hurtful words and actions, called "micro-aggressions" in the psychological literature, are harming homosexuals and other people in measurable, significant ways. The use of the word "Gay" in a derogatory sense qualifies as a micro-insult. To those who commit this offense, it might not seem like a big deal, but I want to stress that the damage done by this sort of act is well-documented and empirically verified. Here is an introductory link to information on micro-aggression:
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Would you explain to me, and all other participants of this debate, why homosexuals are adversely affected by terms that denote their sexual preference, yet heterosexuals do not exhibit the same adverse reactions by terms that denote their sexual preference? Furthermore, would you also explain why heterosexuals must modify their mannerisms to be more acceptable of gays, yet homosexuals do not modify their mannerisms to be more acceptable of heterosexuals? If homosexuality is both natural and genetic, then the gays have just as much right to be insulted by the term ‘gay’ as do blondes by the term ‘blond’. But, I suspect there is no empirically documented evidence that supports why blonds should not suffer the insult of being called blond. If blonds can learn to accept the use of “Blond” as a derogatory term, then why are homosexuals incapable of accepting ‘gay’ as a derogatory term; and as a consequence of such, the heterosexual is asked to refrain from using the term ‘gay’ as a derogatory term? Seriously, if Blondes can learn to live with the derogatory usage of the term ‘blond’, then homosexuals can too learn to live with the derogatory usage of the term ‘gay’. And when the day arrives when gays can learn to cope with living in their genetically natural bodies (supposed), so too will be the day when homosexuals are not offended by the derogatory usage of the term ‘gay’.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Sure, I'll try answering as well as I can."Would you explain to me, and all other participants of this debate, why homosexuals are adversely affected by terms that denote their sexual preference, yet heterosexuals do not exhibit the same adverse reactions by terms that denote their sexual preference?"When does anyone use a word denoting heterosexuality to mean something negative? I guess I just don't understand this one. Maybe if you fill me in I can give a better answer."Furthermore, would you also explain why heterosexuals must modify their mannerisms to be more acceptable of gays, yet homosexuals do not modify their mannerisms to be more acceptable of heterosexuals?"I didn't realize that there was an issue with homosexuals being unaccepting of heterosexuals. If there is such a problem, then homosexuals should definitely be courteous and accepting towards heterosexuals as well. If I said anything to suggest otherwise, then I was mistaken. Did I say anything like that?"If blonds can learn to accept the use of “Blond” as a derogatory term, then why are homosexuals incapable of accepting ‘gay’ as a derogatory term; and as a consequence of such, the heterosexual is asked to refrain from using the term ‘gay’ as a derogatory term?"I think you have a very strong point here. Assuming Homosexuality is as genetic as Blondness, why should gays have more trouble having their name associated with stupidity than blonds? I think the answer might be that gays have been systematically oppressed throughout much of history (many gays targeted in the holocaust, killed as sinners by religious fundamentalists, etc.), while blonds have not been discriminated against as a group to such an extent.Sure, Blonds have been the butt of jokes for a while, but they're also typically White, and therefore members of a group that has historically been pretty dominant. I guess it seems to me that being joked about doesn't quite compare to being persecuted by Nazis and the like. Maybe that's why it's easier for them to accept it than it is for gays?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Now we are arriving at the crux of the question. Neither the term ‘gay’ nor ‘straight’ are inherently offensive. Yet, only some homosexuals are offended by a non-offensive term that connotes homosexuality. If offense is given, then it is because offense was taken, and when both the antecedent and consequent are predicated upon illiteracy, then neither the giver nor the taker has a valid argument. (I think you see where these premises will lead when the subject is heterosexuals.)Hypothetical syllogism Modus Pollens:If the illiterate usage of gay is offensive, some gays are offended.The illiterate usage of gay is offensive.Therefore some gays are offended.(The remainder of your post is not un-important, I just think it leads in a direction that detracts from the question at hand. Albeit, in part, I am responsible for that, and if you would care to consider my replies to this post, I will oblige.)
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

I completely agree with you. (agreeing with Swryght(34)) This is my view completely. Plus, in my opinion - as with using the term 'gay' to mean something 'lame' or 'stupid', using the term 'blond' to mean a 'dumb/stupid person' is wrong. This was just not the topic.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

The difference, Lawnman, is that homosexuals suffer from hate-crimes on a daily basis. Whether you believe homosexuality to be nature or nuture, the thing is that throughout history homosexuals have been totally ignored, labelled insane or ill and although times have changed, gay men and women are often threatened with physical or verbal violence because of their sexuality! So it's completely different to being blonde. Are blondes attacked because of the colour of their hair? Nope, it's probably down to their sexuality, race or gender. My gay friend and his boyfriend received physical threats of violence almost every day because of the small town mentality of the people in their town.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Your argument is not a refutation of my argument. I think if you read my entire argument you will find that I criticize the response of gays in regards to the usage of 'GAY' as a derogatory term. I am not defending hate-crimes or denying the existence of such. (I do appreciate your cool-headed attempt to refute. )
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Clear use of logic, coupled with an empathic heart... please stay! :o)
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Using the word "gay" as a derogatory adjective is just plain gay! ;)
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Uh yeahh, NO!I go against this.Okay how is it not hurting anybody.It can hurt the gays.Like seriously?You're going off and be like "Dude, that's gay."...???There are so many other words you could use?