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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

pffff yeah right your just spamming shit on the communism thing. oh lets see one of your posts. 2 spam posts?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

those are facts for your info. Looks like we know how to classify spam something which contradicts you opinion.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

not you. your :) and i can classify stuff :D :D :D hyong. its not my opinion it's a fact
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

The fact that a man can work for his own food, and shelter is what makes him independent. The fact that he don't have to give to another who is unwilling to also makes him free.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Exactly, he will work for his own food. The only thing different is the work place. And I told you already if you don't work you won't get anything if you work you will get something for your work.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

But what if you don't work, in a purely capitalist state? You'd die. To me, that makes you need to work.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Then I guess if your interpretation is valid, nature enslaves us all to our needs. But it would be worse to have to fill anothers needs while having to work for your own.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

And that is why I support Capitalism over Communism, as I said.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

You don't work for others. You don't have to work for others because of the 8th plank. The more people work, the better the living standards for people that are WORKING will be, this will motivate others to join and help because their living standards will be better and they know nothing will happen to them if they don't work. So you see, those who don't work won't get anything.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

A quick look at history proves that, while communism looks great on paper, it ALWAYS degenerates into a crushing of the masses in favor of the elite. There is absolutely no exception that you can point to. Yes, capitalism has problems in that it is always a reflection of people and their selfishness, but so does communism, and that without any of the benefits of capitalism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

What history? Communism has never existed! And if you want to see how a communist society is actually supposed to function, you could go visit those communist communes and villages. It is Impossible for communism to favor the elite because a communist society is supposed to be classless and stateless. Look up "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat". USSR was not communist, Cuba is not communist (Cuba is not a bad place actually) and North Korea is not communist. So those countries will never prove that communism is bad.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Have you read any of the stories of the many communes which sprang up during the 'Hippie' days? There were a few i visited north of San Francisco, and many others up and down the west coast, and probably in Europe too. They qualify as history. None of them survived beyond a decade or so. Why? Human nature. Eventually someone or some group discovers that they can run the show and take a bigger slice of the pie. Or some decide that they can't work as hard, and it is unfair that they are shorted at distribution time. How exactly do you determine fair distribution? For every 10 people you ask, you are likely to get 11 different answers. And there will always be the slug who does not work. Can the group really just cut him off?Sorry. Great theory, but reality does not back it up. Never has, never will. That's why you can find countless versions of capitalism in history (and many of them did very well) , but no examples of communism that last long enough to be called successful.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Can you explain to me what is that capitalism has done better than communism?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

First, there has never truly been a communistic society, by the definition of communism. But if you are comparing any of the self proclaimed communist societies with capitalism the differences are many. No 'communist' country allows its citizens the personal freedom allowed in a capitalistic one. And the personal wealth of even the poorest citizen in a capitalist society is far above the level of wealth in communist countries.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Yeah! The poor level of capitalism has a much higher wealth that the poor countries of the Communists. But you are forgetting that there is poverty in Brazil? Do not forget that Brazil is a capitalist country, even in time of military dictatorship has always been. And Angola and Guinea-Bissau? Do you think it does not have the poor starve? That's what you say, does not mean anything! Even if you do not like the communist countries, not to say that the poor are totally poor! And besides, there was never any freedom in the system. The only ideology that gives freedom is anarchy.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

there has never been a truly capitalistic society either................ Pure Pure capitalism means no government.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

No those communes. I mean the villages which have a communist system. You still have twin oaks. And some of the native Americans before they were killed off. and people are going to develop greed if they live in a society based on competition and where greed can easily develop. I f you live in a society based helping we would be naturally Humanitarian. Chimpanzees have the ability to share, saying we are naturally greedy is like degrading ourselves. And why would greed ruin everything? It is not like you get paid the same as everyone else. In fact, the more people work, the higher the living standards will be for everyone which is great for motivation. So why has not communism existed as a nation? Simply because Communism calls for a STATELESS society. Which is the reason it has best existed with the Native American tribe and some villages. So even if my rebuttal for human nature does not work, it still won't matter because they can get more people to work to make their living standards higher. Those who do not contribute to the collective good will not get the fruits of labor of the collective good.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I totally agree with you that all of history tells us that then system that you describe would be ideal. But history also tells us that i can and will not happen. Native Indian societies were highly competitive between the tribes and often between themselves. Chimpanzees share, and also kill each other over the food they share. Your suggestion that those who do not contribute will not get the fruits of labor.... How does that work? And how about those who work, but are slouches? Final question. Did Marx call for a "Stateless Society", or is that your idea? I've never heard that suggested.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Marx put it as a stateless, classless society. Not all Native Americans had a communist society, just some. That is not my suggestion, Those who do not contribute will not get the fruits of labor, by definition that would mean things are not just free. It is disproving the argument that in communism you will get paid the same even if you do not work, i said that to prove that that argument against communism is false. What I was trying to say is that if you did not work for the collective good, you won't get what the collective good produced because you did not work for it. just like capitalism, you work to get money and buy stuff but in Communism money does not exist so you work and contribute to the collective good and people see that you worked so you will get what the collective good produced according to how much you worked. That is what I meant.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I'm curious about this discussion. If this is purely an academic question that you are answering, I have to agree with what are saying; that communism would be better than capitalism. But if you are suggesting that pure communism can work in this world of ours on other than a small scale, I think history shows that human nature will not let it happen.For instance, you say that "people see that you worked so you will get what the collective good produced according to how much you worked." Experience tells me that this is not what happens. Favoritism, cronyism, and trying to 'score points' (for a thousand reasons) will inevitable enter the equation.A side question. How do you insert the bold quotes you used in earlier discussion?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

The human nature argument- The idea that someone will be greedy enough to ruin everything. In communism, it is very hard to be greedy and even if you are greedy that does not ruin everything because greed would be a side motivation to work for the collective and the more people work the better the living standards would be for everyone, so your greed is not going to help you get a higher living standard because there is a limit as to how hard the human body can work, so the only way greed will get you more stuff is if everybody is greedy and everybody works really hard, because as I mentioned, the more people work and the harder they work, the better the living standards will be for the workers. This better living standard is a very good motivator. So greed, does not go against communism in a way. However, the problem is not greed, the problem is the power of the upper class, they will not come to agreements with other countries, and this way, society gets more divided and therefore making it harder for global communism to be achieved. Maybe, communism can exist as one nation, but it will definitely not be exactly the same as Marx put it. I am not sure, but I think Marx predicted that capitalism will fall unless they resort to imperialism which is what is happening now. Countries continue to try to get more land and resources to stimulate the economy but history tells us that imperialism never works.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.Communism may look great in paper, but there is not one instance of socialism that has worked in practice. The fundamental flaw to the "Marxist Theory" is that there is too much power in too few hands. This has and will always result in corruption as the few are made accountable to no one.Capitalism is flawed there is no denying that, but communism especially the ones practiced by Vietnam, Nepal, Cyprus, disguise themselves as being democratic while taking away the fundamental human rights of their people.This debate is important because it affects people, and while capitalism is flawed, communism in essence caters to the will of a favored few.This is simple matter of choosing the lesser of the two evils.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Just a reminder, don't jump between communism and Socialism because we are talking about socialism. Cuban doctors invented the lung cancer vaccine and there are doctors in Cuba per capital. That is a fact I put up in case you are going to talk about Socialism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism is pure hell on earth. I talk to people who are from communist countries. That's the only argument you need. If these countries aren't communist then why do they say they are? Just because the p.o.s who got into power didn't want to give it up doesn't mean it's not a communist country. It's the indicator of why communism is fundamentally flawed...humans aren't machines!! Take off the Rosey Glasses and wake up to the atrocities of the last century imposed on innocents by commies. If you want communism, go fix N.Korea.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Let me remind you those countries were not communist if you want to know what commuism is supposed to be like then read 'The Communist Manifesto" before you go around claiming that there was a communist regime. Oh and communism calls for no countries and the borders to be removed.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

The USSR stood for Union Of Soviet SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. And DPRK stood for Democratic People's Republic Of Korea, the name sounds nice but North Korea democratic? No. But by you logic it is because they called themselves democratic. North Korea is not communist, get over it. And if you are going to call Cuba communist, I would just like you to know that people happy living there and it is not hell as you would describe it. And the majority of Cubans like Fidel Castro. You can't argue with me on that one because I am Cuban-Syrian.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism, socialism fascism are all differences without distinction. All having killed so many of their own people I don't see how there is even an argument. Like I said before, you are also arguing between an economic structure and a political structure.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

No, Communism is an economic structure. Communism- A stateless and classless society in which goods are shared as a collective and where the Proletariat control the means of productionSocialism- A society in which the Proletariarr conrol the means of production and the value equal to the labor power is kept to buy luxuries and the surplus value is given to the Government in order to guarantee free education, healthcare, food and shelter. Fascism- An extreme right ideology in which society is ruled by one and no opposition exists. Communism is both a social and economic structure. You have no evidence but I gave you a source.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

No, that's is not my logic. My logic is no matter what u call it it's communism and always leads to the spending of all the wealth in the country and collapsing in on it's self. They are all communists.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Their party is communist and but the system the country rules by is not communist.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Glad you're living in Cuba and not Syria! Syria's really bad right now I don't know who to support Assad or the resistance for now I'm supporting no one in the Syria fight! I am supporting israel in the middle east conflict!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

NEVER MIND SYRIA's WORSE BUT CUBA'S A DICTATORSHIP SO I SUPPORT REGULATED CAPALISM I feel sorry for you are you forced to say it's good or are you saying it's bad while you're in there I'f so for the second one-you're braver then me I live in America where there's free speech THANK GOD
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Alright me let's tussle while Syria is a hell hole CUBA'S awful imagine not having free speech! Thank GOODNESS we have free speech!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

You can't ask them because they're living under a dictatorship and They claim they like Castro because they have to! You had more freedom because you are a cuban syrian and not just a cuban all the way! They do have universal healthcare and so does all the other industrilized nations! Even Israel, who needs to fund their militery so they don't you know DIE, has a universal healthcare system!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Those countries never said they are communist, they said they were socialist republics and even if they did call themselves communist, then by your logic, East Germany was great for the people because it called itself, The German DEMOCRATIC Republic. And it is an absolute fact that communism as a great nation never existed but it did exist as small communes or villages. There are some in the valleys of Spain and North America.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I would also like to point out that this argument is between an economic structure (capitalism) and a form of government (communism). It should be between either Federal Republic and Communism or Capitalism and Command and Controlled Economy. To compare an economy structure to a form of government is like apples to oranges. Whatever though.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I would like to point out that communism is also an economic system and there is no ruler if not the ruler is everyone. Now I know you don't know what communism is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism also read the manifesto if you can or a summary of it.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism violates human rights .
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Whether true or false, this is a statement, not an argument.Please add something to the debate.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Capitalism violates human rights too. United Stades, United Kindom and European Union destroyed the Iraqi people.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

that was not capitalsim, that was war. thats like me saying russia destroyed afghan, all the eastern european countries and germany because of communism. after russia conquered these countires and tried to implement communism yes they became even more destroyed.but the direct takeover of these countries was not communist's doing, so it was after conquest did these countires fail, the difference between east and west berlin after the soviet collapse is the perfect stark image of two economic ideals at work. and i think we all know which one did better.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

In fact, when I advocate communism, does not advocate communism that the world knows. I argue the real communism is born first-time (Marxism). I understand what you say, but I never supported the Soviet Union and China, because it spoiled the Marxist theory. I always I will love the great communist revolutionary, the Marx. But in practice will always be an anarchist, because unfortunately I have no confidence to any bandit who is in power. So far, the only system that said and practiced freedom, was the anarchist system.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

oh you mean like the ussr did when they invaded Afghanistan and imprisoned there own people in Siberian prison camps and what about pol-pot remember that genocidal ass hole and Che Guevara killed over 100 gays, intellectuals, capitalists, and religious leaders each the Nazis only killed over 60000 people communists have killed over 100,0000 over the years conclustion commies are even worse than Nazis
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Please explain how a classless society in which the working class control the means of production violate human rights.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communist manifisto has three parts, revolt of the proletariat, dictatorship of the proletariat, then finally pure communism. the first two steps are very violent actions cause to create turmoil and destory the merhcants of our society, followed by a totalitarian state of controle of the proletariat by a dictator, does not sound very fun imho, and finally, pure communism, whith btw has never been reached where we all share these "fruits" of the labor we produce. communism is an ideal that cant be reached. capitalism has many faults, but i would rather live by the ideals of freedom of cosummerism and the "invisable hand" that also allows finacial freedom then the directed unfree stages of communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is better. Communism enslaves each individual to the community. Capitalism allows each individual to be free and independent.Communism never makes progress because individuals are not given a just reward for improving things, while capitalism constantly improves. Communism lacks the economic freedom of choice to the fullest extent possible, in Capitalism people are free to choose what they want. Communism gives the lazy as much as the hard working, while capitalism allows each individual to sell their labor, creating a result where the hardest working are rewarded in accordance to how hard they work. In capitalism each person is independent, in communism each person is interdependent, interdependence is a form of slavery. In communism people work where the central Government tells them to, while in capitalism they work where they want.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Is it just me or did you copy down everything steve said?????????
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism has been proven to work farther better than communism. In communism an individual cannot be motivated to work because they will recieve the same amount of money and medical care if they did the minimum amount of work. No matter what field you're in, in a communist system, all people recieve the same amount of money no matter what.Capitalism increases the amount of money for the amount of work you do for that specific job(whether it be in education or labor).
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

They are both bad, Communism enslaves and the Capitalist mess things up. US is democratic and it is not Capitalism or communism but capitalism vs Socialism. US us in between both, i side with my country.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

There's one simple reason communism can't work, simple human nature. Humans, like all animals, seek to amass influence and resources for themselves and no matter what system we use, someone will always use their postition to acquire them, the difference is that under capitalism, it's the businessmen, under communism, it's the government. People will always do this and changes the system will only change who succeeds and how.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

communisam may be the poler oppiit to facisam in pollitical theroy but in practice its the exact same thing one man controlls every thing and if you speek out agenst the state your anre exicuted for treeson capitalisam requires a free society inorder to funtion whereas comunisam requires a totalitarin nanie state use your head communisam = the destruction of freedom how can you possiblly support that
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

One man controls everything??????? Executed for treason?????? Destruction of freedom???????? Try and read Marx.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

i love how all the capitalists are actually presenting actual arguments backed up by historical facts and the commies arguments are just the equivalent of "no i right i win"
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

i mean seriously how are these delusional dumb fucks actually winning it makes no logical sence there are more arguments from our side and ours make actual sense
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

what i chose the capitalist side why dose it keep saying side:communism on my comments i don't get it
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

what the "communist" supporters are probably thinking of is socialism you can have a free democratic and pluralistic society with a socialist economy how ever that would be extremely difficult to maintain that is why most socialist society's turn to communism which as history has shown us repeatedly is oppressive, totalitarian, and highly unstable and virtually unsustainable
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Mao and Stalin killed more than Hitler. Around 100 million in total people have been killed by Communism since the first Communist state less than 100 years ago. Communism has never worked, it always fails it is time for the human race to scrap it and move on.