Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

I don't believe them because there is no proof, none for the existence of God and none for any of these things that you say are attributed to him, you may as well have attributed them the the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have not stated that I would prefer if God did not exist, you made that up.You said that God is so much more complex than simpler views. This implies that you are not willing to take a more complex view of things, if it truly is so. That implies that you would prefer that God not exist.There is no proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence. The closest one could come to this would be spaghetti stuck to walls, and this could quickly be investigated to discover the true reason for spaghetti on walls, with a human root.However, there is a lot of proof of God's existence. There are biggies, like our sense of right and wrong, and the fact that we exist, and that the whole of the universe exists. There are those who have experienced visions or voices from God. These people could not be insane, as they actually turned out to be true. And, take Saint Joan of Ark, for example, people thought she was insane for seeing the holy people that she claimed to have seen. But they guided her to gain a load of allies and make a bunch of victories in battle. She was not attacking a foreign land, she was defending a land. She lived in many instances in which she should have died. This is historical fact.Blessed Pope John Paul II made a little girl re-grow a bladder. Tell me that isn't proof? Hundreds of saints have worked such miracles on many, many people. Prayer has saved many more.I would give you better proof than this, but you do not believe this proof. If you study, you will find much historical fact in the favor of Catholicism outside of the Bible. Why did God start us as replicating molecules, if we are the chosen race?Why wouldn't He? I do not pretend to know the answer to this question, but I can guess that He wasn't going to go against His own natural laws.Why was there so many mass extinctions along the way?Why wouldn't there be? If God treated the world He created as a puppet show, there would be no point.Why did Christianity or even Judaism only come into existence in the last few thousand years?Divine Revelation. Look it up. Read about it for more than two seconds.Why is only OK since then to worship only one God?Because there is only one God. God would not say, go worship my imaginary friends.I mean polytheism was perfectly acceptable before but not now.Polytheism was not perfectly acceptable at any time, as that is the worship of false gods. However, God would not punish them for doing so, as they did not know better, just as a parent doesn't punish a baby for not knowing how to speak and asking for things in more annoying ways. Polytheism came about from humanity's attempt at explaining God, sort of like the whole idea of Earth being the center of the universe.Why is that when something new comes along the churches view it with disgust and label it heresy until someone proves it without a shadow of a doubt?This is not how it is now. You are speaking of a time a few centuries ago. And you will find that, what the Church believed in the realm of science was what most people believed in the realm of science, and even non-religious rejected the new ideas. However, the new ideas were not labeled as heresy unless they were directly directed at the Church, saying "The Church is wrong because yata yata yata" As well, you must take into account that it was around this time that the Church became a governmental thing, and soon this corrupted religious people, as absolute power corrupts absolutely. The religion itself was not corrupt, but the people who called themselves religious had begun to stray from the faith. This is how the first Protestants formed, and how the Church came to the Reformation. After this people took the faith less seriously and would start up a new Protestant faith for every little thing. Granted, the mess created from this time was only recently cleared up officially, many things were long before then unofficially cleared. I do not know much about Protestant faiths, but, I doubt they would proclaim people to be heretics so lightly. And, to be a heretic, you must actually start out as a part of that faith. That's why you aren't a heretic. Which means all of these brilliant new ideas you speak of came from religious.What happened to all the other Gods? Presumably they retired? Yea?There is no such thing as "other Gods" God is a single person. There are other gods, but these are not real, they are myth. As no other gods have ever existed, then they cannot "retire" as you say. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in an argument, as, by saying this, you assume I actually believe in every religion the world has ever encountered. If so, you are an idiot. If not, it was a dumb thing to say and you should have known better.Intelligent Design and Creationist science go against the teachings of the Bible, creating their own schism of the most splintered faith system in existence, redirecting and reshaping the ambiguous teachings so that it fits their ideology.Sorry, you lost me completely here. Honestly. Please clarify.I don't believe any of the Bible, some of the stories may be true but there is no proof outside of the bible itself, which no-one really knows if it is true word or not. The Gospels that were written well after the death of Jesus and the laughable old testament.The Bible is not to be taken literally. When reading it, you must account for the knowledge of the time, the language (sayings and the way things are worded and such), and translation. For example, there are a lot of "for forty days this, for forty days that, for forty days and forty nights that other thing." This is because the people who were writing it did not know the actual number, and "forty days" or "forty days and nights" is a reference to "a very long time."There is also a lot of figurative stuff, and Jesus taught in stories, because the human mind retains information best in the form of stories. It's like Aesop's Fables. The characters and stories probably aren't actually true, but the morals are true.Then there are parts of the Bible that are real, historical fact. Records of how things were, actual letters that were written to actual people, laws of lands and such.Some of it was passed by word of mouth. Some of it was written and re-written many times. Also, we humans have no way of telling if something is actually the inspired word of God or some guy who felt like teaching people about God. As such, the Bible may or may not be entirely the inspired word of God.Religious people can't be expected to know how everything works. We're just some random blokes like you. And random religious blokes of a long time ago know about as much as random non-religious blokes from along time ago.However, God gave the people of a long time ago messages. You can't disagree that the Old Testament has some prophecies that are pretty darn accurate. And they can't be manipulating things, because these "things" happen a couple centuries later. sometimes a bit more than a couple.