azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Authors worth reading on this matter: Sam Harris/Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens/Bart EhrmanA few items that have helped me form my opinion that God is unknowable if it exists at all:- The Christian god - initially formed in a time where most people were illiterate and believed that the earth was flat. (Both Jesus and Mohammad were illiterate, if they existed)- The stories of Jesus/Gospels were passed by word of mouth for first 35-40 years before written by Mark(some gospels up to 65 years after Jesus death) 35-65 years of whisper-down-the-lane can make "He Raised up our spirits and gave us reason to have hope in the Jewish god" become "He Rose from the dead"- Bible pointed to as reference for "what God wants/is/was" and so full of holes and contradictions its no wonder there are approximately 38000 denominations or different ways to worship the same god. - if there is a personal god, and it spoke to so many people as is written about in the Bible, why not directly continue to speak to All? A personal god that would allow injustices as those found happening around the world to dying children could only be a devil. - If you are all powerful (and a loving god) why not create a universe where there is free will but no suffering. Why would a god need to set up tests for its creations to show their love for it? - In answer to most of the Apologetics I've heard I often want to respond as Joseph Campbell did: "What's the value of faith if god is provable?"-The old testament is filled with evils incurred upon believers/women/children. It doesn't shine a loving light on what the Christian god is capable of, and certainly isn't a god worthy of worship. The new testament is supposed to be a great way to warm up the old testament, yet Jesus says loads o things like 'leaving your family and follow' me that again...make me question what people really know and are believing in when they say they believe in the Christian god.I forget which book its from but all Christians are atheists. They just believe in one less god than I do.And last...although this was a quickie list...take a listen to Julia Sweeney's "letting go of God" so funny and revealing.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

great points bwind3!
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

for each issue:- most were illiterate? I don't understand how this shows anything?- whisper down the lane, or the gospels were written earlier, while the witnesses were still living. Problem w/whisper down the lane argument, its one person talking to one person, not multiple witnesses to an event- again, the old contradictions line, hard to show these countless examples tho, and number of denoms have different ways to worship same God - that's supposed to disprove Him?- next 2 can be combined. "why not create a universe where there is free will but no suffering." Think about that statement. Create a universe where you have free will, except you don't.blammo, you mention these are good points. Really? What's good about them?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

Cybrweez- so you'd follow and find uneducated/unable to write/read leaders worth following/believing? I'm betting you'd vote for an alcoholic born again leader too(aka GWB). "Watch out the moon is going dark! A disk is sliding over it! Must be god turning out the lights!"- the old contradictions line is old because people have seen it for a long time = well trod and worthy. Number of denoms show how ridiculous it is to point to Christianity as worth believing in. "We have so many ways to believe in the same god, and each of these ways are the one way to get to heaven, to follow correctly." or "I'm right, you're wrong in the way you believe" "no I'm right, no I'm right" echoes the crowd 38000 times who all say they believe in the same god.What kind of inept god begins/creates a religion in its VAST universe in the uneducated section of a desert region of a tiny planet at a time where its "word" or "desires" must be passed from word of mouth and can be misinterpreted enough that 38000 denoms happen. Why not speak plainly to all throughout time? There are how many times where god is supposed to have spoken directly to people in the bible? Must be capable of it...must be a childish god who likes to jerk its creation around. I have thought about the free will statement. It makes perfect sense. If a god can create any universe it wants, it could create one where misery and "evil" don't exist and still give its creation an understanding of free will. It could create anything, any way of thinking.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

Any of those supposed contradictions can be answered, just search a little on the internet, it won't take long. The problem is the search part. It looks good on the surface. I might think the contradiction b/w the Law of Biogenesis (life does not start from non-life), and the contention that that is exactly what happened (maybe as Rich Dawkins says, "from aliens, altho they must have evolved", or the other guy in Expelled, who claims life came on the backs of crystals :-0 ) would be a bigger problem then any in the bible. I mean, any dating measure used to date millions of years ago, assumes that everything is constant. Yet, in order for abiogenesis, it can't be constant, b/c we know now that it can't happen. So, isn't that contradictory? How can we rely on these dating mechanisms, when they rely on constancy? Oh, and how scientific is it anyway to assume that constancy? Is that constancy testable, or observable? Only by God actually. 2 + 2 = 4. If there are countless people who say it = 5, does that alter the truth? The number of differing opinions doesn't affect truth. Its not a matter of God speaking plainly. Jesus interacted with plenty of people, and performed miracles, and they still hated Him. It comes down to our will, are we willing to trust. That's how God defines love, choosing a relationship with Him. Hence, He introduced free will, and the potential to choose NOT to have a relationship w/Him. To take away that choice, is to take away our chance to love Him.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

All Dawkins has said is that there is no supernatural origin for life. He's given an example of aliens being those that seeded the planet as a way to say it could be something that could exist in the natural realm. They could have and would have to have evolved as well. He's never said for certain "Its aliens!" Which is the silliness that Stein is trying to say in his "want to capitalize on the fact that there is no right-wing Micheal Moore" movie. ID is laughable.And with a little research by you on the internet you can find out all the contradictions in the bible and possibly learn even more about the bible's origins and why it would be "politically" that certain doctrines were adopted or not. For where would Christianity be if Constantine hadn't adopted it for political purposes and spread it throughout the Roman empire? I'll tell you where...right along side the rest of the early religions that Christianity adopted so many of its beliefs from.So you are saying nothing is constant or knowable? And yet I bet you flip a switch to turn on a light and get in your car to work?Somehow christians like yourself are happy to use science if it helps promote or "prove" your belief system but not if it calls it into question.But to answer your question. Yes, dating mechanisms are observable and testable.You rely on those systems that scientific method have provided in all walks of your life. That is...unless you are typing on a wifi laptop from a cave.2+2=4 isn't always 4. Two halves plus two halves equal 2, heh.So when you try to fit a belief in a supernatural unprovable realm as the same as scientific truth you have to use scientific rules. Your notion of god as "truth" is unprovable...and if you could, what would be the value of your faith?Finally, how do you know that God would be able to understand about "constancy" and for that matter how do you know anything God knows or doesnt?I'm certain those miracles in biblical writings are as real as Jesus was born from a virgin yet has biblical genealogy through his father's line. No sperm from Joseph yet traced back to Abraham so as to connect Jesus to biblical prophesy of the old testament.http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/jesus_dad.html In other words, I have no belief in miracles, in the same way that I have no belief in a god. The tales of them are from a culture that relied upon word of mouth. And had no concept of written truth. Meaning they could alter the actual facts of a story they were telling in order to promote whatever they were interested in at the time.That is a great recipe for turning water into wine.Why would God need a Jesus to speak with people at all?Couldn't it have spoken directly or was it not all powerful?You say God chose to give us free will. Did it love its creation...no don't answer that, the old testament gives the answer.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

There is a mountain of evidence to support evolution, such as fossil records, DNA, and selective breeding. Scientists estimate that only 1 in 1000 SPECIES (not specimen) ever become fossilized; and of those we have still only discovered a fraction. So there's bound to be holes in our ancestral lineage, such as 'the missing link' (the common ancestor we share with Chimpanzee's and other apes). However, despite these tiny odds we have discovered another 'missing link', tiktaalik, the common ancestor we share with all vertebrates. See link for more information.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

"God", there is no evidence for its existence, and god was invented to explain things people couldn't understand, and to keep control on ancient civilizations.Firstly the pope says no to free condoms in Africa.Also religion have us Al Qaeda, the holocaust and Bosnian troubles.We need to stop dreaming and enter the real world.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No but I see the point

No, but I see religion as a sort of psychological crutch (the non-derogatory kind). Life's full of crap most people can't change, and religion gives them something to look forward to when nothing else will.It's not my thing, but I can't fault some for using it as long as it doesn't harm others.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I am assuming the God in question is that of the theist's God which is omnipotent and most good. In this regard i have to say i don't believe in God because i can't see why an all powerful God would allow such evil to take place in the world. Evil is often seen as a necessary product of human freewill yet if God were omnipotent then God could create a world in which evil doesn't exist and is not a product of freewill. A God who is omnipotent and wholly good would never allow the existence of evil in our world yet millions suffer from the evil of others everyday. a theist's God can't exist.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: where gods fails

I agree. God at most would be a distant being. I don's think that an all powerful God can exist. For example, if he is all powerful, can God make a rock he cannot lift? But if he is all powerful, then he can lift the rock. Either way an all powerful God is unlogical and cannot exist. At most I would give in to a divine energy like the force from star wars.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I don't believe in God, because there is no proof. And please don't say well there is no proof he doesn't exist, because under that same theory all criminals should just be sent to jail, because there is no proof that they didn't commit the crime, why don't we just forget about free trial? I refuse to believe in God until proof presents itself.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

i don't think there's a god because i think some people are scared of there being nothing when they die so they want 2 believe in something and kings and queens used gods 2 get there people on there side like the Egyptians i reckon they did it for their god but were really only doing it because thats what their pharaoh wanted. So the pharaoh says the gods have spoken and if they didn't do it they would go to hell and die over and over again and this would put fear in the peoples eyes, i also the reckon the bible is a fairy tale and just been taking out of proportion. People say there was a Santa Claus so children would be good so how can you trust anything that is said when there is no hardcore evidence.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I was born christian and brought up in catholic school. Later on i realised the rubbish that religion is. Most religions are a group of people coming together to nod at a wall for an hour. All the main religions grow for one reason; Child indoctrination. Christianity did it throughout the 1700's, stealing children from their families "baptising them" and bringing them up as fanatics. All religions grab the attention of young children with false promises and teach them to ignore and hate all other points of view. Religion is just indoctrination, hitler did it exactly the same way religion did it and it must be stopped. There is no need for a god. Evolution says there isn't and thanks to the missing link being proved yesterday ir is proven and there is no argument against it apart from the usual religious argument of shouting No repeatedly until you go away. God has no place in this universe the only evidence of his existence are old books written by men. probably insane men.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I have a hard time believing in God. There is no proof, and the bible isn't enough for me. Seeing the amount of suffering in the world (poverty, war, health) also makes me question His existence.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: where gods fails

No. I don't believe in any supernatural being and I've never understood why people would want to complicate their lives with one. I think inter-human relations might be the one thing that earthlings struggle most to succeed in, and at the same time this is where we frequently fail miserably. Often because we throw some kind of deity into the mix.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

How is this a debate? Am i meant to argue with myself? Anyway...
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I do not believe in god as a "god" like the bible describes him to be. To me, "god" is the power above us. It cannot speak, hear us or give us advice of any sort.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I can not see how what the Bible says is true. How can someone live to over 1000 years old. Humans evolved from Cavemen, and whatever existed before then. The Bible at times simply defies all logic, science and life as we know it. You can argue about religion and science. But science makes the componants of existance and what has actually happened. So the science is 100% correct and you can not modify this in its complete state. We are mostly talking about the Christian God but what about others? Muslim god Allah and others? Do they exist too? So which God made the world and created life? 3 solutions here. Either only one exists making all but one religion true. Non of them exist making all of them false or all gods are one also making all reliigions false. Whichever way the majority of belief is flawed and contradicted through other religions. Who says the Bible is fact and the Quaran is false?God has supposedly created life and brought a beautiful world upon us. He has the power to do anything. Why has he not done any of these so called miracles in our life like turning water into wine etc. The world of today is a sorry state, with murders, diseases and even terrorists. How and why does he let this happen when he can easily stop it? If thats the case he is supporting terrorism and that is not such a nice creative being!There has been more evidence to suggest life form on other planets exist more. Did our God create them to?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I believe in gods but not a absolute god such as Jesus christ or Allah that created everything inclusive us human beings. Gods that create everything just didn't exist in me and the reason is very simple.Gods are said to have supernatural powers of everykind such as looking into the future and reading people thoughts and etc.Here is a point which i wanted to raise regarding the genuity of Jesus professed love for everyone.If God have the power to see the future and if he love us why did he create Adam and Mary when he knew that if Adam ate the apple from the tree, he would have betrayed god. If God loves us and have the abilty to see the future, why did he create us humans when he knew that we would eventually become bad and punish those bad humans by flooding the land ?If God have the ability to see the future why did he create lucifer when he knew that lucifer one day will betray him and god will punish him by banishing to hell ?And why did god put the tree of 'not sure what is it called'in the garden of Eden where Adam and Mary lived.If he owns the power to create the universe why is he so unwise to put something that would cause Adam to become a so called 'normal'human being ?If god cares for everyone, why did he in the bible say that animals are for humans to consume for food but not kill for fun. Indirectly he is saying that animals are something he created and we can kill for our own advantage. But apparently animals are similar to us human beings too. Animals have feelings like us and they feel pain when the chopper is brought down to their neck. If God is really benevolant to all living things he could just invoke his magic powers and let the animals feel no pain when they are being slaughtererd.But why did he give animals feelings ?And i strongly feel that we humans aren't suppose to consume animals.Our teeth are harbivourous and our digestive system are that of a vegetarian not a meat eater.We can eat meat yes but not too much as when they die, waste materials in the animals such as Urea will be sstored inside them. When we eat them we eat their waste materials.There are so many inperfections of God and i can hardly name them all in one go.Here is my point and question towards those to believe in god.Why did your beloved god create you when he could just not create you and not make you suffer.Another question:Why did god create us in the first place ?To be his puppets ?For fun ?So that god will not feel lonely ?I heard many weird debaters insulting me as an idoit and so on but this is just my views on christianity and gods that create everything.This argument meant no offense to anybody but is just to express my opinions and beliefs.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

No. God is only the conscience in your own head. The conscience is looking out for you, so pay attention to it!
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

No. Partly because I wasn't raised to. Partly because I see no reason to. And partly because I don't want to. I don't like the way religious people act, whatsoever. I don't like churches. They idea of worship is obnoxious. The belief that Jesus is suppose to be my role model, sounds like bullshit.Therefore, if there is a God, he's not worth my time, mind, or energy. I'm a perfectly decent person without religion and God. And best of all, I'm not a hypocrite! Woot!
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

As Carl Sagan put it "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

All Gods are but invisible & silent entities, dreamt up & blessed with existence only by Charlatans who have long preyed on the naivety of the credulous!
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Although I do believe in a greater power, or at least hope that there is one looking over us all, it is hard for me to believe that there is an actual God. To me God is like Santa Clause- a figure or icon for people to believe in or look up to. But if you can prove me wrong let me know.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Believing in God is like believing in Fairies.You shouldn't believe in something when there's no evidence.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

How did this get marked down? The reasoning is totally sound.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

How can you say there is no evidence? I suppose you believe in the Big Bang (so do I). How do you suppose the Big Bang came to be? And don't say "random events". There is no way the entire Universe simply came to be without a Necessary Being. And what about miracles? Are they just by chance? God can be seen in so much around the world, so either you live under a rock or you just don't notice anything about how God is constantly here with us. Next time you go outside, look at the intricacy of the trees: how the branches intertwine and the colors are so vibrant. Look at the diversity of life and the delicacy of it. The balance of nature and the contrasts between night and day, alive and dead. To say there is no evidence of God is a HUGE fallacy.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

First, let me say thank you for leaving a response instead of simply voting me down like the rest of these jerks :)Now then..."How do you suppose the Big Bang came to be?"I don't know. And neither do you. It is impossible to answer this question. It could have been God. It could have been space aliens. It could have been ten dimensional space rocks crashing together. The universe could simply have always existed. There are an infinite number of possible explanations."And what about miracles?"A "miracle" is just something we haven't found the cause of yet. Do you have any particular examples?See also: confirmation bias."look at the intricacy of the trees, etc."This is the Argument from Design. I respond with the Argument from Poor Design. One example of poor design: In human females, the birth canal passes through the pelvis. If an infant's head is too big they will not fit and before c-sections death for the mother was the usual result.There are many, many other examples of poor design. To me the evidence points not to an all-powerful, benevolent designer, but rather a universe ruled by non-intelligent patterns emerging from chaos.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

presumably if you believe in the big bang then you don't believe in the god of Abraham from the old testament who created an earth with water and grass and trees and night and day - before there was a sun or moon. Gen 1:1-16also, the balance of nature is exactly how evolution works - not a benevolent god. how would the extinction of most species that have ever existed including humanoid species like Neanderthal be considered benevolent? what was their purpose - if they had none, isn't it then possible that we would have none?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

I am allowed to believe in both God and the Big Bang. It just so happens that I believe the creation stories are mythical in their nature. Nobody important ever said "the Bible is 100% fact," except for maybe a few Popes throughout the ages.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

what do you use to tell what parts of the bible are completely true and what parts are completely made up?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

Reason. Common sense. Scientific insight. Things like this enable me to pick out the pure myths. Then there are stories that I don't know if they are real or not, but these are typically just historical contexts that I can't prove wrong or right.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Then you are not using the Bible to determine what morals, etc. are good - you are using your own faculties/morals to determine what parts of the Bible are good.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

If a God existed, which God would he be? There are many "God's" out there. "God" as a figure is just a way for humans to cope with that with which we cannot explain. All races, nationalities have some version of a "God" that they can blame/praise whenever something is unexplainable.