azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

The reason I haven't answered you, is that I only get on the computer a couple of times a week.Nice try but this is in a post you already responded to. The reason you didn't answer me is because you ignored most of my post in favor of an irrelevant and convoluted statement that did not disprove anything. Like you often do.In the early 1900's there where company towns, you worked for them, they gave you a place to live and credit at the company store. They owned you because the goods where over priced, rent was high and pay was little. You had a job, food and employment.Today, company towns are gone and you are indebted to credit card companies. They don't employ you, they don't feed you, and they don't give you a place to live. In fact they only care about collecting their money.Which is better? There are many people that cannot manage their own paycheck and end up losing their job. They loose their house and end up at a shelter or being taken care of at the taxpayers expense. The truth about company towns is they never expected you to pay your debt to them. They were looking out for their interest and that of its' employees. Big deal, we now have a choice who to be in-debt to..Even if I wasn't going to elaborate, and even if that were the only difference between today and the 1900s, I would absolutely say that while both situations suck, the second one is vastly preferable. This one, at the very least, allows a person to shop where they want; if they wish, this means they can subsist on lower-priced goods and few luxuries until their debt is under control.Anyway, people do not need to rack up endless debt to survive†. Just because most people do not manage their money doesn't mean they can't . In the modern world, they have the choice to avoid debt or manage it well when do they have it, or not. † = The exception is, of course, impoverished people. In this case, I still hold that an incredibly impoverished person today, either accumulating debt, or in a shelter/on welfare as you stated, is better off than an incredibly impoverished person in the 1900s who might have starved to death.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

If this was the case and I had been on-line and didn't reply, it is because I often don't reply to people that claim they know everything. What is the point?In the early 1900's you wouldn't starve to death if you had the desire to work. One would feed you and let you sleep in the barn in exchange for a few chores. This was not taking advantage of someone because they had enough pride not to want a handout. This was an exchange that saved face on all parties. Today, people just want a handout. Today is so much better.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

If this was the case and I had been on-line and didn't reply, it is because I often don't reply to people that claim they know everything. What is the point?For the love of God, work on your reading comprehension skills. I repeated the question to Axemeister because you did reply but you ignored most of my post, including that question. This is something you do a lot. In the early 1900's you wouldn't starve to death if you had the desire to work. One would feed you and let you sleep in the barn in exchange for a few chores. This was not taking advantage of someone because they had enough pride not to want a handout.Can't find a source on this. I'm sure it happened, perhaps quite often, but the data that is available regarding unemployment, poverty, and hunger is a lot less cheerful than that the picture you paint. A big chunk of the population lived in the crowded cities without access to the rustic, idyllic farmsteads of which you speak; plenty of them did not speak English; and many had giant families to feed, clothe, and shelter as well. Don't forget that a large part of my argument rests on abundant racism, sexism, and disease, as well as a lack of education and opportunity in the 1900s.http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=205 -In 1900, if a mother had four children, there was a fifty-fifty chance that one would die before the age of 5. At the same time, half of all young people lost a parent before they reached the age of 21.-In 1900, the average family had an annual income of $3,000 (in today's dollars). The family had no indoor plumbing, no phone, and no car. About half of all American children lived in poverty. Most teens did not attend school; instead, they labored in factories or fields.-The latter part of the 19th century was an era of tuberculosis, typhoid, sanitariums, child labor, 12-hour work days, tenements, and outhouses. In 1900, more Americans died from tuberculosis than from cancer. Each day millions of horses deposited some 25 pounds of manure and urine on city streets.http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch03.htm-In rural areas, many people were poor. In inner cities, over-worked factory workers lived in crowded and unsanitary tenements.-At the turn of the century, three quarters of the states forbade married women to have property in their own name. In these states a woman's property became her husband's upon marriage. In a third of the states, a woman's earnings belonged to her husband. And in all states except Wyoming, Utah, Colorado and Idaho, women were not allowed to vote.-Because of Comstock's influence, it became illegal for people to discuss birth control, including a doctor with a patient. It became illegal for a library to have a book on contraception.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

I don't currently have the time to go thru all the BS that you posted. Are your grand parents still around? Ask them or anybody in there late 80's or 90's which is better, they won't say it is today.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

I don't currently have the time to go thru all the BS that you posted.If you think third-party reports based on research and facts that inconveniently contradict your argument are BS...then I guess that explains a lot about your debating style.Are your grand parents still around? Ask them or anybody in there late 80's or 90's which is better, they won't say it is today.Considering modern medical technology is the reason my father and my two nieces did not die in infancy, I doubt my grandparents would say such a thing.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

"Think about this for a second and be realistic. People have to die sometime, and something has to cause that death. "So why do you keep coomplaing that the 1900s were full of diseases."Modern medical science has almost wiped polio, tetanus, and pneumonia off the map as causes of death. Life expectancy has been extended by more than two decades. These achievements are sarcastically brushed off, and you agree? "Mordern medical science has also create new diseases to wipe out other countries(political term: biological weapons)"I'll ask again since I didn't get an answer from thewayitis. What would be an improvement big enough to convince you medicine is one of the many things that is better today than 100 years ago? Cures for all diseases? No causes of death ever?"No i think disease and death are some of the things that get rid of all the people thick enough to shove McDonalds down their throat daily.Modern day people use medication as a "get out of jail free" card meaning that they can smoke, drink and eat whatever and whenever they like.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

So why do you keep coomplaing that the 1900s were full of diseases.Uh, because they were? Infant mortality rates were huge because of disease that are now curable. You can ramble on about how bad abortion is, but there is a huge difference between a woman voluntarily exterminating a fetus, and a couple suffering the loss of a child because of disease. If you don't believe this, try talking to a woman who voluntarily underwent and abortion, then talk to a woman who lost an infant due to SIDs or something.Mordern medical science has also create new diseases to wipe out other countries(political term: biological weapons)Are you arguing that it is preferable that modern medicine not exist, because its results have not been 100% dedicated to the betterment of humanity? I agree that biological weapons are a negative development, but you cannot ignore the millions if not billions of lives it has saved, improved, or prolonged over the past 100 years.No i think disease and death are some of the things that get rid of all the people thick enough to shove McDonalds down their throat daily.This does not really answer my question about what you consider a suitable improvement in the field of medicine. In fact, it doesn't really address anything I said, as I did not bring up the purpose or function of disease in general. I also do not think that people who made poor dietary choices deserve death. Modern day people use medication as a "get out of jail free" card meaning that they can smoke, drink and eat whatever and whenever they like.They also use it to not die when they get cancer and other disease, through no fault of their own. Even if people fall victim to vices such as smoking and drinking (which also existed 100 years ago, by the way, and people were far more ignorant about their negative effects) they do not deserve to be punished by a slow, painful death, nor do their families and friends deserve to suffer their loss.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

Laugh My Ass Off! The funniest things are the simplest. People get lost in a maze of complexity when the answers are staring them in the face.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

Like the middle class is anything but second class citizens. I suggest you leave your bubble and actually see the world.Unless you live in a society with a wealth distribution system that is completely impartial, how can you avoid having citizens in varying income brackets?Cancer, aids, kill you instead of polo, tetnus, etc. Big improvement.The fact that science has made history of many formerly fatal diseases is a big improvement. What would be an acceptable 'big improvement' to you? Immortality? The human body eventually begins to decline in function and becomes more susceptible to illness and injury; this is inevitable. Better it be at 75 years than 50.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

Live long and spend the last decade or two of your life locked up from the rest of society. We push for a long life and then send the elderly to nursing homes. To die with an ounce of dignity, only a pipe dream.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

I would rather sit in a nursing home and live to watch my grandchildren graduate from college than die a few years after watching my children drop out of elementary school and get a job.It's pointless to dispute me with nothing but a complaint about the modern world, because I am not claiming there are no problems with today's world. Really, I'm not. I'm just saying it's preferable to the world 100 years ago. Maybe people don't take advantage of opportunities they have, but at least today, they have them, and plenty of people do take advantage of them.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

It is not a complaint, it is the way things are. I have nothing to do with how society treats it's elderly. Been to see anybody in a rest-home lately? If you enter there with any mind at all, you won't have it for long. Imagine the only conversation you have is on the Internet, no contact elsewhere. Do you really think you would enjoy it?
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

Okay. Let's try simplifying our exchange up till now, and let's see if you can guess why it's not a productive conversation.You: Life is shitty today.Me: Life may be shitty today, but it was shittier 100 years ago.You: But life is shitty today.Me: Okay, but that doesn't change that it was still shittier 100 years ago.You: But life is shitty today! Did that help? Do you understand now how listing the things you don't like about today doesn't accomplish anything unless you accurately contrast them with how things were 100 years ago. You and many people on this side of the debate have an unrealistically positive view of what the 1900s were like, selectively remembering the good things and denying or ignoring the many, many horrible things.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

Been to see anybody in a rest-home lately? If you enter there with any mind at all, you won't have it for long. Imagine the only conversation you have is on the Internet, no contact elsewhere. Do you really think you would enjoy it?It's actually worse, because the children of those elderly often dump them there. One particularly sad story I remember was of this older lady I met at a care facility. Her children took her to this run-down home, they claimed it was during their vacation only, and she had dementia. What happened was that they were tired of caring for her and never came back back for her, as I recall they emptied her savings and she would often ask if they were back from vacation as if it all happened only weeks ago. She eventually died there.I spent the night there talking to an older man who had a degenerative disease, he lived in a room beside the aforementioned lady. We talked about all sorts of things and I fixed his computer for him.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

Like the middle class is anything but second class citizens. I suggest you leave your bubble and actually see the world.You've clearly never had a cross burned on your front yard for being middle class.Cancer, aids, kill you instead of polo, tetnus, etc. Big improvement.Try dying from tetanus. Seriously.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

And you in the past (1900) had a crossed burned in your front yard and not in the present? You were not around then and taking somebody else's word these things happened takes faith. You are a believer. For disliking man's written words, you use them frequently enough.Tell me about dying from tetanus. Having experienced it first hand and coming back into the word as an ass.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

And you in the past (1900) had a crossed burned in your front yard and not in the present? You were not around then and taking somebody else's word these things happened takes faith. You are a believer. For disliking man's written words, you use them frequently enough.I was born in 1890, in old Atlanta.In seriousness, it is a well-documented claim. Try reading about it.Tell me about dying from tetanus. Having experienced it first hand and coming back into the word as an ass.It is like having a muscle cramp, but all over your body, and it contorts into the most awkward shape with severe spasms. You eventually die from asphyxiation, starvation, fluid in the lungs, or body stress/trauma.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

If I followed all of OSHA's rules I would be working in a padded room with a straight jacket on. The only thing wrong here, is that I take less risk then the majority of the population and have to abide by rules designed for morons. One thing that I know is that I won't offend anybody by writing this. For this simple reason if you are too stupid to keep your hand out of a machine, then I know you can't read this. As for me, I am broken beyond repair and would like to thank those that made this possible.Institutions like OSHA were created because factories might explode suddenly, buildings might burst into flame, and machines were often completely without safeguards. It seems retarded now, but back at the turn of the last century people seemed unable to regulate themselves safely.In the early nineteen hundreds great things were accomplished during the industrial revolution. The people of this era poured all that they had into changing the course of history. Most of them put body and soul into advancing their ideas and creating their inventions. Several of them lost their lives or were seriously injured doing what they loved. If it wasn't for this deep rooted passion, we would have no luxuries or conveniences. One of these courageous souls was R.G. Letourneau, poor fellow growing up, mechanically inclined, lived through a broken neck, started a business, brought revolutionary changes to the construction industry and ended up selling his company for 31 million dollars in 1951. This is just one of the many great men that transformed not only this country but the world forever. Since those days, we have done very little to change the world forever.It's easy to champion a few great people who were innovators or persistent to the end, but recall that the vast majority worked in drudgery, or died.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

So you believe that if OSHA didn't exist neither would you?
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

People worked hard, today they hardly work. Food was more wholesome; today is full of chemicals.Our population has exploded unchecked.Medicine is not fufilling it's potentials the way it could.Big business and greed rules politics.Humanity and humanitarianism is fading.Materialism is more important than human life.We are destroying our environment.We still have war.Abortion is legal, and prevention is ignored. ("OK to kill" attitude)Technology = humans losing contact with humanity.The economy is a machine and keeps breaking down.We aren't realizing the potential we should be.Life would be better than the 1900's if we learned how to take care of what we have (the environment), and use science for postive reasons.We're spending millions for space exploration--where we will never go--while people on Earth suffer. Reality doesn't make sense anymore.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

Food was more wholesome; today is full of chemicals.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_medicines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery Also remember that refrigerators weren't available in those days, which meant that you ate food that was more prone to spoilage, unless you had an ice box, dried or canned your food.Medicine is not fufilling it's potentials the way it could.In the 1900s children frequently died before maturity thanks to common diseases with no cures. Polio, smallpox, scarlet fever, amongst others frequently led to death. Today medicine has greatly increased our lifespans, and reduced the dangers of disease.Big business and greed rules politics.What makes you think 1900 was any different?Humanity and humanitarianism is fading.Back in those days, there was a prevailing attitude amongst the British that the poor deserved their poverty. Today we need only look at the victims in Haiti, to see an example of how the western world contributed towards helping those people. Modern technology made that possible.Materialism is more important than human life.What do you think the Industrial Revolution was?We are destroying our environment.In 1900 we were destroying our environment but nobody cared or knew it.We still have war.As long as humanity exists, war will.Abortion is legal, and prevention is ignored. ("OK to kill" attitude)As opposed to having dead babies and miscarriages, and half of your children buried in your backyard because of smallpox, or some other illness.Technology = humans losing contact with humanity.A person from the other side of the United States is contacting you within less than a day. In 1900 this would have been a miracle for working class people.The economy is a machine and keeps breaking down.Welcome to capitalism.Life would be better than the 1900's if we learned how to take care of what we have (the environment), and use science for postive reasons.Life already is better than the 1900s.We're spending millions for space exploration--where we will never go--while people on Earth suffer. Your children and children's children will go out there. In 1900 such an idea would be a fantastic dream, nothing more. Today it is a reality.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

"Also remember that refrigerators weren't available in those days, which meant that you ate food that was more prone to spoilage, unless you had an ice box, dried or canned your food."most of your food was grown at the local farm anyway or grown by yourself in your GARDEN (which those who live in cities no longer have due to lack of space caused by over population)and if you ran out of food it was just a simple trip to your local butcher or grocer to get some more where you could socialise with the people at the shop."As long as humanity exists, war will."In the past, war meant something:adventure, conquest and it was good for the country. It was also fought with more strategy and diplomacy and leaders in the army were brave and respected. It was also more felt at home when you learned that a member of your family had been killed fighting for his country.And in todays world: someone pushes a button that sets of a nuclear missile which kills billions of people. "Your children and children's children will go out there. In 1900 such an idea would be a fantastic dream, nothing more. Today it is a reality."YOU WISH xDthe world would have been ended by that time by global warming (or some other disaster )which we could have prevented with the money we spent on space exploration
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: yes

most of your food was grown at the local farm anyway or grown by yourself in your GARDEN (which those who live in cities no longer have due to lack of space caused by over population)Without a refrigerator microorganisms could produce exotoxins which lead to food poisoning. Some fruits and vegetables are extremely perishable.and if you ran out of food it was just a simple trip to your local butcher or grocer to get some more where you could socialise with the people at the shop.Unless you were black. Or Chinese. Or a woman. In which case you had social barriers and were either talked down to or prevented from using the facility.In the past, war meant something:adventure, conquest and it was good for the country. It was also fought with more strategy and diplomacy and leaders in the army were brave and respected. It was also more felt at home when you learned that a member of your family had been killed fighting for his country.The same is still true.the world would have been ended by that time by global warming (or some other disaster )which we could have prevented with the money we spent on space explorationThe only way for us to survive is to colonise space.
Debate: is life better today than it was in the early 1900's
Side: No

"Without a refrigerator microorganisms could produce exotoxins which lead to food poisoning. Some fruits and vegetables are extremely perishable."and injecting them with chemicals is supposed to make this better?"Unless you were black. Or Chinese. Or a woman. In which case you had social barriers and were either talked down to or prevented from using the facility"nowadays the butcher (at the big global supermarket) pretends to like you while injecting water into your chicken to rip you off."The same is still true."there is a difference between running into an enemy trench and pushing a button which launches a nuke."The only way for us to survive is to colonise space."if this was our only way to survive then we will all die