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Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

There are a few reasons I believe that vegetarianism is somewhat flawed. From the moral perspective, a lot of people go vegan because of the negative effect obviously imposed upon animals, or that they don't want their impact of eating the meat to lead to more animals to be killed, but there is no clear cut moral perspective to this, because naturally it would be unfair to say that all life matters to support the vegetarian argument, only to then turn around and eat a plant, which is also a living being who might be able to feel stimulation, even without the nerve system that other beings have, for all we know it could be excruciating pain that we inflict on every vegetable we consume. Along with that the demand for meat in our world is not going to go down for the majority of people, there is no change for that, a majority of humans do and will forever crave meat, as it is in our genetics to do so, due to the fact that in earlier sages of humanity while there was the option of consuming other foods, in prehistoric times there was no way obtaining a consistent diet of only fruits or vegetables due to the lack of agriculture therefore going vegetarian would not stop animals from being killed as there would still be a market to consume it, so your one act of cutting meat out of your life will likely not save a single animal, because meat will still be put on the shelves of stores in abundance and then a large portion of it will go to waste. As for the health side of things, while there is indeed a lot of health benefits that come with being vegetarian, these do not outweigh the cons that come with removing meat from the diet of a being that is made to consume meat. I think that we just need a healthy balance in our lives, and different portions of food dependent on your needs, which is why in some cases vegetarianism can be the right lifestyle for some people and their nutritional necessities, but as it stands for the majority, cutting meat out of your life entirely would only be a determent to your own health and would therefore be foolish.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

There are a few reasons I believe that vegetarianism is somewhat flawed.Hello Rational Guy:What you're saying SOUNDS important.. But, I ain't gonna read a long, long, run on paragraph.. Shorten it to a couple and I'm on board.excon
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Remember guys, Excon has difficulty reading. Too many words when put together confuses him.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

It's not 'foolish,' it's a personal choice. I love steak, and because I question the integrity of an absolute morality; I cannot say that raising cows to kill and harvest their flesh for eating is at all bad.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

I understand that girls can choose the healthy alternative vegetarianism, but for guys it wouldn't be a great idea. Proteins is mostly in all sorts of meat, which is essential for building and maintaining muscles. That's why I choose steaks, but I would love to date a girl that only ate veggies, as I would imagine that she would pretty fit.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Vegetarians get plenty of protein to build muscle. See my argument here http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Steak_or_Salad_Is_Vegetarianism_foolish#arg340575
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Apparently, I was wrong. Didn't know that there was that much protein in stuff like the things mentioned on this site: http://vegetarian.about.com/od/healthnutrition/tp/protein.htm.  Thumbs up, for educating me ;)
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Animal protein are much more complex/complete and more effective for Human in long term it does less damage than simple plant proteins.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Well, I am most definitely a meat lover. I wouldn't necessarily call Vegetarianism foolish though. However, I do not see the point in it. Like, I understand why they do it. But There is a food chain. We are at the top, it is NATURAL for us to eat animals. Humanity has been doing it for an EXTREMELY long time, ever since the beginning. Thats just how life works. It is not wrong to kill animals. Yes, I can understand why some people think that. I am an animal lover too. But you have to understand that this is just a natural part of life.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

It is natural to cannibalise, yet we don't do that anymore.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

This is true, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't cannibalize.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

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Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

I am not a vegetarian.That being said, I have no problem with Vegans. You wanna eat everything but meat? Perfectly fine.As long as meat-eaters don't discriminate against Vegans, and Vegans don't discriminate against meat-eaters.So, in answer to the topic: No, Vegans are not foolish. Not my personal lifestyle choice, but not foolish.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

There is nor harm of any infection or disease by eating veg food whereas eating those flesh and other things can cause diseases spread now a days and every one of us are aware what they are. So be vegetarian.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Meat makes me ill. I vote salad~ with extra beansprouts.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Everything you have stated is absolutely correct, but I'm still going to eat meat. I find it natural. However, I don't believe animals should be treated the way they are, I think we need to raise our meats the old fashioned way.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

We could probably go back and forth on the details for days, but in the interest in saving us both some time I think one of the things you said makes a perfect conclusion to this debate: "It's not really a Carnivore Vs Herbivore question when it comes down to health, if a particular person is watching their diet, exercising regularly, and not stuffing all manner of reactive molecules into their system, then whether or not their diet contains animals is irrelevant."Well said. Thanks for taking the time to actually put some effort into your arguments and keeping things friendly. Very few people on this site actually take time to research the subject they are debating and almost never back up their arguments with sources. It's nice to finally debate someone who spends more than 30 seconds formulating their arguments. Kudos to you. I look forward to future debates with you.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

We could probably go back and forth on the details for days.Indeed, I have enjoyed it though, made me think, and that's always good.The thing about debating on here is that there are a lot of no-thought arguments, but there are some pretty insightful people on here too, I like the informal style and the fact that I can take the piss out of people as well as engage in formal discourse.But as you've said about me, the same applies to you, I like your style, the writing is good, easily read (which to me means that you actually understand your subject, rather than your usual wiki-based armchair know-it-all that the internet can spew up.) So I too look forward to future encounters.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

But still, isn't it kinda foolish not to eat meat just for health? I get it if you don't like the taste, or if you can't for X reason(x being anything.)
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Why is it foolish to want to be healthy? I personally don't eat meat because of ethical reasons. The health benefits are just a plus. I just can't see any justification for treating animals so poorly when there is plenty of other healthier stuff to eat that doesn't require killing something that feels pain and emotion. Just because something is less intelligent than us doesn't mean it's okay to treat it inhumanely. If low intelligence is what determines what we can kill, then I think there are quite a few people on this website who should be fearing for their lives right now :)
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

See, I'm a believer of the, "you only live once, so why bother with watching what you eat?". I understand to the fact that you don't for ethical reasons, I completly respect that.But, it's the Id in us that is talking. Simple as that. We've eaten meat since the dawn of time, since Lucy's time. Why stop, just because we believe it's 'wrong'? PS: For those that don't know- the Id represents the most primitive aspect to us humans.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

It is foolish, downright stupid, if to ask me. Not eating meat is unhealthy. If a person wants to live a life as healthy as possible then meat is necessary.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Good thing no one is asking you. Did you even read my post? I smell a troll.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

I didn't respond to you. And not a troll at all, simply saying how things really are.Not eating meat is unhealthy; eating meat is healthy. This is irrefutable, as we are omnivores not herbivores.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Not eating meat is unhealthy; eating meat is healthy.Studies on the subject shows that is not true. In fact, they show that a vegetarian diet is healthier, as I showed in my original post. Do you know of some reputable studies that say otherwise?This is irrefutable, as we are omnivores not herbivores.Just because we are able to eat both meat and vegetables doesn't mean not eating meat is unhealthy, and the studies clearly support this.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Studies on the subject shows that is not true.You take all kinds of crap as true? What part of "we are omnivores" aren't you getting? Do you know what our teeth are like? For ripping flesh and and also grinding plants. If eating meat was not healthy our teeth would not be adapted to eating meat. If our teeth are adapted to it then that means humans have been meat eaters for a very long time, that means eating meat has become part of humanity, which means it is essential to eat meat to stay as healthy as possible.In fact, they show that a vegetarian diet is healthier, as I showed in my original post.Answer this question. Are we herbivores? Yes or no?Reality is that I don't even have to check that "show" to claim with 100% certainty that it is nonsense. Eating meat is healthy, and how much is needed depends how active your life physically is.Do you know of some reputable studies that say otherwise?Do you know any reputable, and unbiased, studies that explain why we are herbivores? Oh, wait... we are omnivores. And have been for tens of thousands of years, probably hundreds of thousands. We have evolved to eating meat and plants, we need both.Just because we are able to eat both meat and vegetables doesn't mean not eating meat is unhealthy, and the studies clearly support this.Biased studies in that case.Not that we are just able to eat them, our teeth have evolved to support the eating of meat and plants as well. It has nothing to do with what we can do, it has everything to do with who we are. And we are omnivores, I repeat, omnivores!We are able to kill ourselves too... why not do that 'cause, in parallel, it is also unhealthy, as is not eating meat. We can choose to eat our own shit too, why don't we do that? Because it it is too unhealthy, and just disgusting.Why not stop eating at all? I mean, if you deny one part that is there because of evolution, and you claim it is healthy to do so, healthy to deny that part, perhaps it would be even healthier to deny eating completely? No animals are killed in the process, and the same goes about plants - everyone living in perfect harmony, no one's killing anyone. But wait, that would be suicidal to us.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Ignore this, it was a double post because of the bug on the site
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

I love meat! But I'm not allowed to eat too much of it because of my blod type which I forgot what it is lolAnd I don't eat any sea food besides fish because of the bible it says it's unhealthy and I almost forgot I don't eat pork
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

There's many long term issues with vegetarianism, not eating meat does not help you in any way.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

A vegetarian diet has more fiber and less of the harmful substances present in non-vegetarian diets.Furthermore, it is healthier towards the environment.It is also tasty and healthier for the body.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

Pesticides. Must I say more?.............(Add ALL the random dots just to make my thing long enough!)
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Pests are no good.They harm our environment.Thus, pesiticides, in limited quantities, are good.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Steak

You misunderstood, I think.I was not talking about pesticides bad for the environment, but for you. That may have been a fail at my part, I was replying to the "A vegetarian diet has more fiber and less of the harmful substances present in non-vegetarian diets." part.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

I've been a vegetarian for 18 years and haven't had any major health problems. I'm able to survive and stay healthy without killing animals that feel pain and fear, so I don't see how that could be considered foolish.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

8 billion animals a killed yearly in the USA alone for meat. There are 6 billion human beings on the planet
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Humans evolved from simians, most simians are vegetarians
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

I am not a vegetarian for i have to eat whatever is put in front of me or no candy after. when i get to choose my food I shall choose salad.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

I am not a vegertarian myself, but in genral, vegertarians are fitter and healtheir than us who eat meat.
Debate: Steak or Salad: Is Vegetarianism foolish?
Side: Salad

Being a vegetarian is a healthy choice. Eating the vegetables that you like will help you overcome your hunger.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

I honestly cannot agree or disagree with the proposition - why can't we supplement meditation along with physical activities? Do we only have room for one of the two in the classrooms?
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

Well I don't necessarily think meditation should replace P.E, but i definitely think it would be a great idea for schools to offer meditation to those who want to do it.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

Meditation and Jiu Jitsu. You still need to do some exercise, and with self defense, you're learning how not to be a corpse left in an alley.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

Say, I like this alternative. Children should meditate instead of Phys Ed classes.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

meditation helps relax the mind and involve no competition, PE can bring stress and competition
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Yes, P.E CAN be stressful and competitive but it actually helps the mind. Exercise releases a hormone called "endorphins" which is a feel good chemical that can also help deal with depression.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

meditation also releases endorphins and releases dimethyltryptamine too, and seratonin, and i can say through personal experience meditation makes you feel WAY better than exercising
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Your personal experience is not the same as everyone else's. I just don't understand why you are trying to say meditation is better than physical fitness. As others have suggested, why not have both? You say you'd prefer a healthy mind over a fit body? Be careful what you wish for; when you get too fat to move you'll have little else to do besides meditate where you lay.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Meditation can benefit the body, I agree. However, it should not replace P.E. Here are the reasons why:1. It will be hard to get children and teenagers to meditate properly. Yes some will, but i can guarantee that many will either laugh, talk or protest against it as it is an activity which involves remaining calm and silent.2. P.E helps maintain fitness, and fitness is part of sustaining a healthy body. Obesity and many other conditions are apparent and if meditation gets preference then those conditions will become even MORE apparent. And sick people costs money. Who pays for them to go to hospital? The tax payer. Yes, i am aware that some people will still exercise if your proposition was enforced BUT P.E encourages exercise, without it less children will be being taught about exercising which (as stated previously) is likely to add to the obesity rate (and other conditions too, such as diabetes.)
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

But through meditation you can increase your metabolism, and you learn to eat less, it helps you focus, which would help kids in school, i do realize it would be hard to get children to sit and meditate, but when they have an experience they will WANT to meditate, and through meditation you dont get sick as often, and with meditation we realize the finer things in life dont require money so this could change our entire society as a whole, all of humanity, hell if we all meditated, we would be a very healthy race. And plus children should be outdoors playing, not sitting in front of the TV and computer, meditation will let them realize the joys of nature
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

How does mediation make you realize the finer things in life? I mean yes it is good for the mind and body but realizing the finer things in life?How is it going to make children realize the joys of nature? I mean you can meditate anywhere, which could even be in a dark room...and one is not realizing the joys of nature when in a dark room meditating.P.E provides many different activities which to a lot of children is very stimulating. Where as meditation is quite restricting, there's only one thing to do and that's meditate. Unlike with P.E. With P.E, there's running, soccer, basketball etc.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

turst me it does, it makes you connect with everyone around you and empatrhize with the world, especially those who dont have it so wellMeditation just connects you to the world, and if you realize that we are polluting the hell out of it, you will stop wasting so much and start recycling and conserving
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

I've been meditating since 8th grade, but yeah I do see your point, most of these little ADHD kids couldn't do it.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

i think they would be able to do it, hell i know throughout all my school years i wish we had nap time still LOL, kids wanna sit around and do nothing, besides talking, but if we give them meditation, theyll be happy to sit around and rest and do nothing, especially in high school too, it could change the world :O
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

In high school this would definetly, work, not so sure about middle or elementary school. I think meditation should be an elective/alternative to P.E.
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

good idea, give them a sense of free will lol
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Saying that meditation should replace physical education is like suggesting that one replace vegetables with fruit for lunch. Why not have both?
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Meditation should not replce PE.Whats more worse?: A healthy mind or obesity?O.B.E.S.I.T.Y.!Its only thanks to PE,that teenagers remain fit and healthy.Sure,meditation is healthy for the mind - but if you had to choose,i'm sure you'd choose a healthy body over a healthy mind.Theres no competition.PE wins!
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

No, PE does not help obesity, theres tons of obesity today and weve had PE for a long time its time to start changing it, we have after school sports that kids can do, PE is such a joke, seriously, no kid takes PE seriously, honetly if you believe they do, that makes me laugh, and also, i would easily choose a healthy mind over a healthy body, mind over matter and meditation lowers heart rate AND cholestrol, so really, its a win win situation, oh ya also, it would help cut back pregnancy and underage sex and unprotected sex if anything, kids would learn that life isnt about material objects and having sex 24/7 seriously...
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

You are assuming kids who are forced to take a meditation class would actually take it seriously and do it properly versus thinking about sex under the guise of meditation. Also, I fail to see how meditation would cut back on underage sex and unprotected sex. Where are you coming up with this? (Your own personal experience can't speak for everyone else).
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

well ok... is that realy all kids think about these days is sex? jesus, thats sadTrust me, when you meditate you learn to respect nature, its a given, no matter what, if you dont learn to respect nature, then youre doing it wrong, which is extremely hard to do
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: disagree

Stop it! Goddammit i've seen about a dozen of these "meditation should replace" things. No, no they shouldn't. Physical education has been placed in the educational system for a reason. I'm sure if meditation was better than P.E. than someone would have done something about it. Any way, why?! P.E. is good for you, not only is it good for the physical health, you also learn how to do loads of sports, which is good in the social world. Someone asks you if you'd like to play rugby at the weekend, i don't think " Well, how about we meditate instead" is a better answer. Stop trying to replace things with religion! It doesn't work. I don't see how science, geography, or P.E. would be better off replaced by sitting in an uncomfortable position, saying "om."
Debate: Meditation should replace P.E.
Side: Agree

its not religion, its focusing on the now, so it can be applied to sports also, focusing on that basket, breathing correctly, when was the last time anyone took PE seriously? Oh thats right never.Plus instead of sports we could go on nature hikes, and run trails up mountains and down mountains, much better, and keeps you in way better shape and it makes you feel ALIVE.And i never said science or anything else should be replaced by meditation i said they should be enhanced by meditation... and ya PE can be fun, but seriosuly, noone takes it seriously, and if you DO take PE seriously youre obviously a jock, so if youre a jock, you could learn alot and apply meditation to your sports, focusing on getting that one basket, focusing on making the game change...