azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

What you wrote is your long explanation of why you didn't really mean what you said and why it makes you feel better about being an atheist to say things you don't really mean.....saying things that are not true in a way that makes it sound good to be untrue.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

The reason that I mention those who know me is that before I was born I did not exist. Once I have existed I have impacted the lives of people for better or worse. When I die for a while the world will not be as it was before I existed since there are memories of me that remain for a while. In time the world will be as it was before I existed all memories of me will be gone and I will be nonexistent once again. All of the proof and evidence that we have indicates this is how it works. Sure there are fictional accounts of immortality yet not one has been verified. You think that knowing you will fail to exist is easier that thinking if I just accept Jesus as my lord and savior I will be immortal. Wrong, It was much easier for me to face my earthly demise when I thought that I would just be going to heaven as I was taught when I was a child. One of the most difficult things for me to cope with when I realized that there was no God or Heaven was my mortality. You have no understanding of atheism. You claim that God had a plan for me. If this isn't the plan then how could an infallible God make such a terrible mistake? Why would God have allowed me to read that Bible which was the reason I discovered the truth. I could have lived in ignorant bliss as a Christian if I had not read the Bible. You are an interesting character Saintnow Have a good night.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

You are hoping your history is forgotten so you won't be held responsible for the things you have done. You don't get out of reality, Bob. Try as you may to convince yourself that you get out in death, you have no evidence until your dying is finalized.....when your clock counts down to zero, your dying is no longer temporary and will be permanent and you wont' get out of Hell as a sinner, Bob. Go ahead and see. I'm in some pain today, it comes and goes but is getting more frequent...no telling how long before all of my countdown of time is in pain.....and you know what Bob? The closer I see that final moment of suffering, the more joyfully I leap for joy even in pain knowing eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven with the blessings of God the Father as a son of His bought and paid for by God Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ......as long as I have strength to jump, and shout, I'm going to jump even in pain and shout with joy to the glory of God for what He did for me to save me from Hell.Keep on smiling, Bob, because you won't be smiling for long. I know joy is ahead for me so wonderful, so good, I can only feign beginning to comprehend what God has in store for those who love Him, who He will freely give all things in His Kingdom for His glory because He is good, and when evil is forever confined in the Lake of Fire, the memories of the dying will be forgotten by the living, and only the smoke of their torments will rise forever as a memorial for the battle God suffered through to forever end and prevent rebellion of His creatures who He lovingly gave the choice to obey or to rebel.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Why would I hope that my history would be forgotten? I hope that those who know me in life will tell others that never met me about me. I don't like the idea of death (a failure to exist) Yet I know factually that all living things will eventually fail to exist. I only hope that my exit is quick as it was for my coworker Eric. You can handle your mortality your way but it doesn't mean that I will go to the place of torment that has tormented you since your religious beginnings. Since there has never been a world without evil. It is interesting that this is the promise. In the religious texts God can't make anything without evil in it. First there was Satan in Heaven. Half of the Angels turned evil. Then there is mankind which even when the loving God killed everyone except for 8 people Evil still prevailed in God's work. I guess I see things for what they really are and you live behind the rose colored glasses.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

You would hope your history will be forgotten because you believe it has to be forgotten so you can go out of existence. Looney tunes time, Bob. It's your own words you keep trying to deny as you try to deny the reality that you are you and always will be you, not by your choice Bob, because God wanted you to be you and so you are you........and you are trying to get out of it by weaseling around.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

I'm not sure of your train of thought here but What can you tell me about five of the slaves that helped construct the Egyptian pyramids? I would make the claim that you nor any one can tell us nothing about them. We know they did exist yet there is nothing left. That is the difference between religious lies and truth. You thinks that those people still exist and are tormented every moment of their existence since death in a fiery Hell. Yet I am sure that they are completely forgotten as we will one day be. They have not existed in any way for thousands of years. They had no opportunity for redemption according to your religious belief. It was before your demigod existed to ask for forgiveness, OH WELL they deserved to be punished (your view not mine)
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

you only hope that your exit is quick? Don't blow your brains out, Bob......it's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.First there was Lucifer in Heaven, Bob...the anointed cherub, one of the greatest angels along with Gabriel and Michael, and maybe greater than both of them. He decided he wanted the admiration and service of lesser angels, desiring what only the Creator deserves, to be worshipped and he turned evil, against God, and was by his own choice changed into Satan, God's Adversary, the chief of rebellion against God, accusing God of denying him freedom when God gave him the freedom to be a rebel.All of the angels were perfect, holy, good, pure, in harmony before Lucifer rebelled and turned into Satan. God did not make him that way, God gave him the choice to be that way. By rejecting the new life God offers you in the resurrection of His Son, you are choosing to remain the way you are...evil against God. All who go against God are turned evil, Bob, I don't care how good you claim to be you are turned to evil, loving death and hating God, calling death good and calling God evil, accusing Him of all kinds of faults and crimes and by example encouraging others to do the same thing leading to your own destruction in the fire of Hell.Bib, back to calling you Bib again because in this post you say so many things clearly indicating your ignorance of the Bible.....and how stupid, pardon me for being blunt, can you be to imply I am unaware of the presence of evil in the world? This is the common insulting tactic of atheists, avoiding acknowledging their own denials of reality while they equate wishful thinking with objective truth.If you are half as good and well mannered and smiley as you portray yourself to be (not portending anything bad in your futile insults since you believe death is good for getting an exit from suffering and pain).......if you are half as good and nice as you claim to be, you should apologize for insulting me this way. I do not see through rose colored glasses. I weep with those who weep, I went to two funerals of my friends in the past two weeks and a third is coming soon....maybe after my own....sin kills us all, Bob, it's justice and when God finalizes the execution it is fair. Noah and his family were eventually killed by God for their sins too, Bob. The natural consequence of sin is death, and any moment it takes you away is justice, it's fair, and you never deserved a moment of peace to start with; nobody does. I don't like pain and I had plenty of it today, probably plenty ahead tomorrow too. I'm being realistic, Bob. It's you who is looking at death with rose colored glasses as if it's your friend to relieve you of pain and suffering and you hope it does so quickly. How old are you, around 70? You've been dying for 70 years. You're a dead man walking and talking now, Bob, fooling yourself to believe death exonerates you.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Now here is a big part of where religion looses me. God created the Angels, correct?? God is omniscient (All Knowing), Can you explain the part where God desires, no evil creates Lucifer knowing, (part of that Omniscient quality described in the texts) that in the future Lucifer will turn against God along with a bunch of other (good angels) that God created perfectly as God is perfect and all knowing. There are more ideas of men and less of omniscient inspiration here. It seems that God doubled down on failure with mankind God knows that if he puts the (magical tree) in close proximity to his new creation, mankind that they (not knowing good from evil) would disobey (with no understanding that it would be considered evil) and cause the fall of mankind. God did this intentionally if we must believe what is written. I know there must be another spin that the religious use to make it not seem so intentionally cruel to doom your new creation like that. It's interesting that this Omniscient good God decides to kill all the people and things on the earth to fix his mistake (or intentional cruelty) yet once again is a failure. This God sucks at creating good and pure. I guess I just read the wrong Bible. Can you tell me where to find the Bible where God isn't always screwing up causing the world to have so much evil for the last 10,000 years.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

Saintnow, It's not about God being good or Bad it's the stories of God being too contradictory to be true. If God is complete within himself as you claim then what event caused this God to create a universe? If God was complete for eternity prior to creation why change perfection?? Then with the ability to make things perfectly and correctly, why create it wrong so that God was disappointed??Genesis 6:6 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.This is contradictory If God desires no evil then with the power to do so create with no evil. Yet as the stories go this God creates good that turns evil then God attempts to fix the mistake by killing over 99% of the life on the planet just to fail and have evil prevail. In the world God desires to be without evil as it is written. Your scenario is stranger yet as God desires the evil behavior so that some of the evil doers will seek forgiveness. That is the prize that God wants??? It is contradictory behavior from a being that is suppose to be perfect and beyond the normal emotional mess that humans are. This is how I am absolutely sure that the texts contain man's thoughts as they are primitive and indicative of the time that it was written. The animal sacrifices, slavery being an acceptable part of humanity, All of the in humane practices that at written in the Bible. There was no God, just men telling these stories. Men due to evolution all of our behavior comes from our evolutionary past not a loving kind God. If that were the case the world would be very different. When man created God they created God in their image. That is why the second God (Jesus) is not as cruel and unforgiving as humanity became more forgiving. With an open mind it is easy to see the truth.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

Saintnow I would like to start with I appreciate the thought that went into your reply. So I guess the big trouble that I have is this and any input here would be appreciated. If God desires to "restore the beauty of perfection" as you claim. Why did God not just create it that way from the beginning??? If God has the power and desire to have a "perfect world" why do it wrong to begin with??? This is the part that makes no sense from a divine perspective. From my perspective I get it I have done things wrong and had to fix them many times because I have no idea what the future will hold. I don't always have what I need to make things right the first time. If the stories about God are true then God has both of the things that prevent me from creating perfect things rather that imperfect things. The reason that I asked about what prompted God to create is that if a completely self sufficient entity spends an eternity ,(God always was as the story goes), in a state of self gratification something must have changed. Then This entity creates something displeasing yet continues to allow continued displeasure until such a time as the world is "restored to perfection" as you say. Again from the minds of men I get the scenario it's very human in it's inception, I don't get the divine inspiration here. Help me out my friend.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

You're not listening, Bob. Please try to pay attention. You have to start with God being good, and when He created beings with free will, powers of reason, communication, imagination (creativity) like His own, they were good when they were created. You ask "Why did God not just create it that way from the beginning???" with a triple question mark. I guess the triple question mark implies that you have to ask the same question three different ways and get the same answer three times before you will hear it.Are you hearing it yet? Some of God's creatures decided to go against Him, God gave them that freedom because He loves them. Love and freedom are two sides of the same coin, Bob. God loves you and you are free to try to make Him non-existent. He's going to be angry with you, naturally, for what you are doing but He will not force you to love Him as He loves you.God is righteous, true to His own character which is good. Because He gave creatures freedom to rebel does not negate his right to punish that rebellion. Arguing that God is not good if He executes evil punishment against those who are turned against Him (that's what evil is, Bob, it's turned against God, like you, no matter how nice or good you can appear, you are turned against God and that is evil....evil can appear to be exceedingly beautiful like the life you portray as your own beauty).So God answers the accusations of Him being evil because of allowing evil by this:He took on a body which could suffer the penalty of evil; death. He paid the price proving His right to keep those who have turned evil in eternal punishment of inescapable fire. Because He is good and had no sin of His own to pay for, death could not hold Him in the ground and He proves His right to execute eternal damnation of death in Hell against all of His creatures who have turned evil....and that's you, Bob, believe it or not. I hope you have enough time to consider this well enough before your Creator tires of arguing with you.God gave His blood as the payment for your sins, so you can be covered by His blood. You can never make things right, you can only try to make up for the things you did wrong but they still are done and you can't change history or undo the effects of the wrongs you did. You need God's forgiveness, you need to be a new creature, you have to be born again.God created beings with free will because He is love, He simply delights to give life, He created all things for Himself to enjoy freely giving all things that pertain to life. What's wrong with that? You blame God for making creatures like Himself able to communicate, move, reason, imagine? You blame God for allowing those creatures the freedom to resist Him and go against Him in rebellion?God "continues to allow displeasure until such a time as the world is "restored to perfection"..." because He wants you to come into agreement with Him so He can stop being displeased with you, Bob. God does not want you to burn in Hell, you are choosing it for yourself unwittingly.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

I'm listening but I am trying to understand the conflicting nature of this God according to what you say and what the texts about this God claim. So the texts state that God knows what the future holds. Yet knowing the future he would create Lucifer to be defiant and evil. God created other angels that were not defiant and evil. So Why would you not create all of them to be good and obedient as the other 2/3 were? Why create the evil ones if you know ahead of time they will turn out evil? Why create mankind and put an item in close proximity to them knowing ahead of time that mankind would let you down and make you remorseful that you created them. If this was the case the tree with the (knowledge of good and evil) could have been placed anywhere on earth. It could have been placed where Adam and Eve would not go yet it was not. So either God is evil and the plan for mankind was to have something to torture as every human from that point forward was yoked with original sin. Unless God is evil there would be no reason to condemn mankind for a few thousand years then decide to save a few if they were to correctly worship some demigod and ask in this demigod's name for forgiveness for the sins passed down from a thousand generations ago. If this made even an ounce of sense I would at least be agnostic.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

God did not create Lucifer to be defiant and evil, He created Lucifer as good to be good. God gives freedom, Bob, love and freedom are two sides of the same coin. Why do I keep getting the impression that you are not listening and are purposely being ignorant? Lucifer decided that He wanted to be his own boss as well as boss of Heaven. He was the, or one of the, highest and most powerful angels. He had a special place in heaven ordained by God, given to him. He abused his position and power, denying God of His right to all credits for all things created, for all goodness. He went bad by choice, Bob, and spoiled the goodness of God's creation. You do understand the concept of spoiling, don't you? It's what happens in a battle when the opponents land or possessions are taken, they are spoiled. It's also a defilement, to have enemy forces deranging your territory. It's corruption of decay, sickening.God knew there would be a rebellion when He gave freedom to creatures with powers of reason, mobility, communication, and imagination (creativity), and He knew what He would have to do to prove His right to keep those rebels confined forever in everlasting torment rather than do deny His own goodness in creating them with the power to rebel. The fact that God allows rebellion which brings punishment is not proof that God is not good for denying life from His enemies. God has every right to leave you in Hell burning forever as His enemy and He will if you will not stop trying to prove He is not good.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: No, because there are no Gods

What is not clear to me is that "God did not create Lucifer to be defiant" Yet God created Lucifer the way that God desired (knowing the future) and Lucifer was defiant and evil. There is no other way to look at this from a divine point of view. Only mankind creates things unaware of the outcome and the outcome is different than expected as is the case with Lucifer, Adam and Eve, all of mankind, ect. This is how we can be sure that Man created God not the other way around.Saintnow, I am not trying to prove that God is not Good, I have continued to demonstrate that it is clear that God only exists in the imaginations of people hiding from mortality or the inequities of the world we live in. That is not bad, judging others by the beliefs of ancient men however can be a bad thing.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

You are indeed trying to prove that God is not good, Bob, by blaming Him for creating a being with free will who would turn evil and cause chaotic events. If it's God's fault that evil exists, then He is not good, is He? You are trying to place fault on God; trying to prove God is not good by showing Him to be at fault.Your conclusion that your logic proves God is imaginary is based on an erroneous assumption of God not being good. God is good, Bob. You are bad, God is good. Tough to swallow, isn't it?The only thing you are demonstrating is that you will not believe God rules over you unless you find yourself unable to escape the fire of Hell.....and even then you will say it's not fair and hold onto some kind of futile hope of relief in death.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Now you are getting closer to reality. The people who created your God were barbaric and that is how they made your God "Bronze Age Barbarian". That is why some aspects of God are evil. Since barbarians were a warring people Hence the reason for the split some followed Lucifer and the others followed God. This also explains why God in partial to the humans in God's tribe (the Hebrew) The Bronze age barbarians were nomadic tribesman who had no regard for the lives of people outside of their own tribe. You are right about me and your God until such a time as evidence can be offered that there is a God there is no reason for me to believe.
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

Bob, you sound like a Dawkins or Price trained parrot. Sometimes I think you pull your garbage off a Jehovah's Witnesses website, but now you sound more like a Dawkins parrot. The fact that you are not in Hell now is proof that God is merciful. If the fire of Hell will be the only proof you will accept of God's right to overrule you, that's what you will get. So again, LOL Bob, keep it up while you can, keep on smiling while you can, I want the best for you and smiling is the best you can do I guess...oh yeah, and loving people as best you can also....do it, Bob...you go, Bob. :-)
Debate: Can any religious person show ANY evidence that their God is the Correct choice??
Side: Yes, because

God is love, He proves His love for His enemies in that He died for them to save them from Hell. The cause of the rebellion is Satan, it was Satan who led mankind into rebellion against God, and Satan is condemned for what he did, which caused God to prove His love by dying for us to save us from the devil's Hell. It's all very simple, Bob, you are trying to make it complicated as if that gives you an excuse for not saying sorry to God for your sins and for defying Him insisting you have the right to exist outside of Hell as long as God has that right.