azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"The media isn't necessarily corporate-controlled"Yes it is, i mean im not saying nothing on mainstream media is true but on all the fundamental issues the media falls into line with the positions of elite corporate power. The elites set the boundaries "I'm saying anything that seems like an exciting or groundbreaking story, they will naturally give it a lot of newstime and attention"Obviously the medai cannot ignore major events(although this was done with teh East Timor massacre by Indonesia which the US supported), especially when it is occuring within its own country but it can characterise these events in a certian way in roder to denigrate them. These protests were ignored for the first two weeks but when political comentators, and intellectuals started lending their supported to the protestors the media knew they had to start reporting, they were hoping it would simply blow over."That's why you need to take everythin you hear with a grain of salt."I agree completely, never ful;ly beleive anything, especially if it comes from government, and only ever beleive something if it has been officially denied."The fact that you are adding to my argument, and then attempting to rebut it "Fair enough if you didn't mean that but it seemed pretty clear that that was what you meant.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

It's going to amount to as much as the Tea Party, but that's about it. Most people (the 99%) don't care enough to actually change the status quo. I am just amused by how Tea Party supporters refuse to note the similarities between themselves and the OWS protesters (namely the unorganization, lack of a message, et. al)
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

The saddest thing that these people think that capitalism is causing their misery, so they cry for more government, yet when government is so big, it will transform itself into a tyrannical state.It was not capitalism that was the problem, but it was crony capitalism. Who is the root cause of crony capitalism, government?
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

I agree somewhat with your piont, i think the government power needs to be reduced because it was government power that put so much power in the hands of the banks. I think they know why they are there, they want democracy, the system in place now gives them the illusion of democracy, and the people protesting are the people who have recogised that fact."They call it the american dream acuse you have to be asleep to beleive it"-George Carlin R.I.P.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

i think the government power needs to be reduced because it was government power that put so much power in the hands of the banks.Wrong, government forced the power into the hands of the banks.I think they know why they are there, they want democracy, the system in place now gives them the illusion of democracy, and the people protesting are the people who have recogised that fact.I don't want democracy. Democracy has failed us. Today is self evident of that. Cry to government and he will give.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"Wrong, government forced the power into the hands of the banks."The ponit is there is a dispicably harmonious relationship between government, corporations and financial insitutions, and their continued looking out for eonanother the cost of the common man needs to stop."I don't want democracy."How do you know if you've never had it?
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

The ponit is there is a dispicably harmonious relationship between government, corporations and financial insitutions, and their continued looking out for eonanother the cost of the common man needs to stop.Which is crony capitalism.How do you know if you've never had it?Because any form of government is unneeded.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"Which is crony capitalism."Yes, but i don't beleive it's simply the product of concentrating power in the wrong hands, not that there are any right hands, i beleive it's a product of the system itself."Because any form of government is unneeded."Are you suggesting you favour a soceity founded on anarchist principles?
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Are you suggesting you favour a soceity founded on anarchist principles?Yes, anarcho capitalism, theorized by Murray Rothbard in his book Power and Market where he refutes any government intervention.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Im actually really pleasantly surprised by that, and that book sounds like a very interesting read, ill have to read it once i finish the work im currently doing, and have some spare time.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Look what we've accomplished under democracy, this is the prosperous and peaceful era in human history, and we built it on the very principles of democracy. Sure the economy has run into a slight snag, but these things happen all the time, no matter your countries political or economic policy. You can't stay in a boom forever. An good man can do evil and an evil man can do good, just like a good system can fail occasionally, and a bad one can succeed. We'd get worse than nowhere if everyone just jumped of the boat as soon as we hit a tiny bit of turbulence, as the OWS is trying to do right now.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

Have you ever read Aldous Huxley's "a brave new world".......?
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

BRILLIANT, because everyone knows that all fiction is based entirely on fact, that all futuristic settings are inevitable, that all of fiction is dictated solely by reality and can never say anything, explicitly or otherwise, that is not true
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"BRILLIANT, because everyone knows that all fiction is based entirely on fact, that all futuristic settings are inevitable, that all of fiction is dictated solely by reality and can never say anything, explicitly or otherwise, that is not true"Yes thats exactly what i said, i didn't just ask a quesiton, nice interpretation, and response jackass ;-)
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

But seriously, the world state was a command economy, the polar opposite of what you people are protesting.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

They can try, but let's not forget that they aren't producing anything, while mean while we outside the movement are. The logistics just aren't with them.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

I suppose factory workers have the logistics of changing goverment policy on their side while they work most of their days and fail to have time for poltical action...
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

I wouldn't call it a revolution nor major , but it will have a marginalised influential role in the new political landscape that is forming here the U.S. . The violence and erratic behaviour displayed by some the protester have obviously damped their good-standing with many independents and centrist.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"The violence and erratic behaviour displayed by some the protester have obviously damped their good-standing with many independents and centrist."I have seen no evidence of protestors being violent, i have however seen a treasure trove of evidence of police officers indiscriminately attacking peacful protestors.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

there all complaining that they dont have enough money, but they have enough to have an ipod or smart phone ect... they just dont want to pay for anything that they want. and they think that they can get the rich to pay of all of their student loans and other micelanous things. WHATS GOING ON! if you dont want to pay for it then dont buy it. another problem is that the y say their just like the tea party, even though in 40 days of protest their have 2,500 arrests, 4 rapes, and $2,400,000 worth of expences...(most likely alll paid by the government.) the tea party has 989 days of protest under their belt and none of those negativities. im so sick of only paying attention to the good patrs of the lieberal party and discrediting anyone who speacks out against it. ex: (random polotician)"i oppose obama's bill" obama-"oh my gosh, your a racist, communism rules". stop pullig the same race card over and over again, if you want to debate something, try using actual facts instead of insults.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

The tea party has their millionaire organizers, while occupy lacks the astroturf. That alone explains the differences you pointed out. Although interestingly enough, 1/3 of millionaires support OWSTry taking your own advice, and stop pulling the communism card.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

No because, these protesters are mostly teenagers who are too lazy too even TRY to get a job. Instead of protesting, they could actually FIND a job. also winter is acoming so when it gets really chilly, they'll all be gone. talk about a 1%.....OF PROTESTERS!!!
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"No because, these protesters are mostly teenagers who are too lazy too even TRY to get a job."Really, how do you know that? "Instead of protesting, they could actually FIND a job."Ya all protests are just lazy people looking for money,it so simple, i don't know how i never realised it before."FIND a job. also winter is acoming so when it gets really chilly, they'll all be gone."We'll see"talk about a 1%.....OF PROTESTERS!!!"Yes, talk about it.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

They're just reworked hippies. Infiltrated by sieu and ACORN (yes, they still exist) and approved by Brer Prez, The US Communist party, the US NAZI party, the insane prez of Iran, and every other dystopian socialist totalitarian fool.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

If there is even a shred iof seriousness in that argument i really pity you.Yes all the bad guys are fighting to destroy you glorious puritanical american goevrnment.Did you know that 65% of all black people are communists working for the USSR?
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

At the core of OWS is an anti-capitalist Marxist movement. We all know how well communist revolutions have worked out in the past.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

"At the core of OWS is an anti-capitalist Marxist movement"Prove this assertion, i can gaurantee you will unable to do so, the movement is more pro rule-of-law than anti-capitalist.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

Wrong OWS is not any of those things. Its more of a Libertarian movement. Not the sort of Libertarians who started the tea party. The more left wing type Libertarians. Socialists and Communists see OWS as a good way to get their view points out as well. Thats why you see both the Nazi party and Communist party supporting them.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"Wrong OWS is not any of those things."I would disagree, and since you haven't provided a shred of evidence to the contrary i remain steadfast in my disagreement."Its more of a Libertarian movement."I am prepared to admit that the people who call themselves conservatives in the US have stayed well clear of the movement, my point is that people protesting as the real conservatives as they are calling for the restoration of the rules of law."Socialists and Communists see OWS as a good way to get their view points out as well."I don't doubt this is true.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

The evidence is all over youtube. Don't just get all your info from the TV. Watch what the protesters themselves have been posting or take a look from the other side of the looking glass by watching a left wing news station. There are a few out there if you search for them. I've seen videos with people from many factions speaking and not about anti-Capitalism. Most of them just don't like how the rich keep getting away with a bunch of bullshit that anyone else would be put in jail for. Many preach about as I said before Libertarian values. But their are also those that want Socialism, Communist, Fascism, and even Anarchism. But those are a select few next to the Libertarians. Also the movement has grown beyond just politics. There are a few Muslim groups out their that feel like they have been discriminated against and they want to be able to practice their religion without fear of persecution. Now as you may have guessed I'm a Communist. While a lot of my comrades back up OWS and think its going to change things I don't feel the same. When the very people you are protesting against can stand right in front of you and laugh at you without fear that just shows your protests as they are now aren't doing anything.I have a few clips from OWS on my youtube page so I'll just link that here to give you a little head start.http://www.youtube.com/user/TheClayPeopleAreHere?feature=mhee
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"The evidence is all over youtube. Don't just get all your info from the TV. "Thanks for the advice you're clearly a much more enlightened free thinking individual than myself;-)"Watch what the protesters themselves have been posting or take a look from the other side of the looking glass by watching a left wing news station."You simply haven't understood my point, i know what you said is correct but what i am saying is that the people protesting represent true conservative values, like most values systems in the US conservatism has been corrupted.Another good example is the misuse of term libertarian, and its mistaken association of capitalism with libertarianism."I've seen videos with people from many factions speaking and not about anti-Capitalism."You do realise who you disputed right? I was arguing this exact same point with Troy8, he was trying to say the movement is anti-capitalist which it is clearly not."Now as you may have guessed I'm a Communist."Zdrah-stvooy tovarisch."While a lot of my comrades back up OWS and think its going to change things I don't feel the same."Why not? Surely you must optimistic that some change will occur, i mean don't think the movement will effect radical change, and it definitely won't occur instantaneously but given enough time i beleive the message's of OWS will find their way into mainstream american discourse, and will seep into the conciousness of the average man leading to incrimental change that may prove significant in the longterm."When the very people you are protesting against can stand right in front of you and laugh at you without fear that just shows your protests as they are now aren't doing anything."So what would you suggest?"I have a few clips from OWS on my youtube page so I'll just link that here to give you a little head start."I find your continued insinuation that i don't have the capacity to objectively inform myself on contemporary social issues quite patronising.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: yes

I'm not going to comment on all that other stuff you said because I don't feel like it anymore. But I will answer this question. So what would you suggest? I would suggest a violent revolution. Stop taking beating after beating by the cops, go home, get your guns, come back, and fucking kill them! Then find and kill the bankers while also demanding the removal of Capitalism and the installment of pure Communism. Then get rid of the government and any form of money. Then let the people govern their own states and make their own laws. But that's just the basics of what I want. As you can see true Communism isn't to far off from Anarchism. If you see a group of Anarchists you can be sure there will be a few Communists with them and vise versa.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

"I'm not going to comment on all that other stuff you said because I don't feel like it anymore. "Fair enough, im sure if you disagreed strong enough you would."I would suggest a violent revolution"I was worried you were going to say that, thats exactly why i asked the question."Stop taking beating after beating by the cops, go home, get your guns, come back, and fucking kill them!"They haven't killed anyone so firstly they don't deserve it, secondly do you really think that would be positive step in acheiving your aims?"Then find and kill the bankers"As much i find violence against my fellow man to be disgusting i can't really bring myself to disgree with this statement, especially knowing what i know."while also demanding the removal of Capitalism and the installment of pure Communism."My views are exceptionally left wing not that i like to admit it cause i hate labels but i don't think pure communism would work, there is simply no historical example of it ever being sucessful.Now i do beleive an alternative is necessary, and i haven't settled on any one particular, but i do beleive a system more akin to anarcho-syndicalism could take root, and be successful.I have debated the feasibility of this many times, and i have come to recognise that the operational details of system such as this so radically different from the one currently being employed would for the msot part have to ironed our before the system could be implemented.As for pure romantic communism (at the risk of greatly antagonising you) i do not think its could ever function as intended, at least i have never seen an argument that convinced me it could work as intended, and there are no historical examples of it ever being employed successfully.I don't like admitting this cause i greatly respect and admire communist advocates such as yourself, and i was one for long time, but not anymore.We simply can't ignore the historical performance the various systems tried in the forge of history."Then let the people govern their own states and make their own laws."Yes but there are many alterations necessary to prevent tyrannies from being established, and dictators stepping into the power vacuum created."As you can see true Communism isn't to far off from Anarchism."A system such as anarcho-syndicalism i think has the best chance of working."If you see a group of Anarchists you can be sure there will be a few Communists with them and vise versa."Again, i am loathe to resort to placing labels on myself but if pressed i would have to admit the label 'anarchist' sufficiently describes my views.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

I have never actually heard of anarcho-syndicalism. But I will look it up. For now I feel like there is nothing else to gain from continuing this discussion so I won't. But it has been interesting.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

I support them but I don't think this will change anything. They are sort of all over the place and to pathetic to fight back when pushed.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

These people are jokers, their movement is pathetic, and their goal laughable, they claim to represent the 99% when far less people support their movement.
Debate: Occupy Wallstreet, could this be the start of a major revolution in america?
Side: No

From what I've seen of the occupy people so far, they seem like they're all over the place. They do not have one consistent, clear identifiable message that they can unify behind. Besides, let's be real, no one gives a shit if you march and carry signs. They just laugh at you. We live in a capitalist society. Until people are able to impact a bottom line, no one cares. Lawsuits, boycotts, loss of brand royalty have had major impacts on corporate america. But not protests. It's sad, but we've come to the point where if you want something done, you almost have to sue someone.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Proposition

Hi this is Qinze from 2e3.Online debating is much much more interesting than classroom debating as we can find intersting information from the internet while posting our main point of our side of the story. Also, we can show some videos or pictures that we can't really show when doing classroom debates.So believe that the mothion must stand and i completely agree that online debating is much more interesting than classroom debating.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Opposition

I disagree. Yes, it is true that it is more interesting but it depends on who is debating. Some people do not how to use the computer. Also, it is unfair for some people as some people type at different speeds. In classroom debates, we only have a limited time [3min], thus it can be fair.Next, while it is correct to say that one can do the research while debating, people with little self-control can go websites that are not related to the debate motion. They can go youtube or some gaming websites while debating.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Opposition

You say that we cannot show videos or pictures in class but that is not true. We can bring pictures and videos, in our thumbdrives, to the class and show them on the teacher's laptop.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Proposition

I disagree to this as it is much more troublesome, it also creates trouble to teachers and is a waste of time.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Opposition

i agree to Hewen as we can show the picture or video through teacher's computer and some website cannot upload video.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Opposition

I totally disagree with your point. So what if we can gather information more on the internet? Still, during classes, we can be motivated by yours classmates clapping sounds to cheer on you. whereas, for online debate, we can't hear ir laughter. Facial expression is also ecessential here.Also, are we allowed to find information during real debates? no we can;t. we need to be prepared and gathered all the information we need before debating. if not, this is known as cheating. Hence, I, as the opposition, disagrees that online debating is more interesting than classroom debate.
Debate: Online debating is more interesting than classroom debating.
Side: Opposition

I agree with Lynette.Come to think about it, when our teacher briefs us in the class debates weeks ago, she mentions that groups that are not ready [ie not enough points etc] will be immediately disqualified. Thus, it can be correct to say that finding information during real debates is considered cheating.