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Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

I don't beleive so.Well then your opinion is, as you say, "wrong.""T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers led the way for the fresh Russian soldiers, some of whom donned the white winter camouflage that became the subject of nightmares to the freezing retreating German troops. By 7 Jan 1942, the front lines were driven back anywhere between 100km to 250km. German forces would never again threaten Moscow directly for the rest of the war."That is not the part of your statement I was disputing.Actually, they battled the overwhleming majority of the German army on the Eastern front for the overwhelming majority of the war/ Are you serious?The average number of Axis troops in the Eastern Front throughout the course of the war was 1.9-2.0 million (3.7 million at its height), while the Japanese Imperial Navy had 5.5 million at its 1945 height. Both Russia and the United States ha to fight virtually single-handedly. Are you seriously going to argue that an army of 3 million is more formidable than an advanced navy of 5.5 million?The fact that many Soviets died is irrelevant. 25% of USSR troops died compared to 2.5% of American troops. More dead troops does not mean more successful. That is absurd.remember that the US had far more support on the Pacific then the USSR did on the Eastern front.Don't you BS with this. The USSR had 35,000,000 forces. 35 MILLION! And all of this (don't bother with semantics with numbers like this) to fight half of one war (eastern front). The US Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard COMBINED had 5,000,000 troops.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

America "single-handedly won the war in the pacific"? What are you smokin'? Americans, whilst they did play a big role, were not - were not - the only combatants!To name just one battle for a bunch of different countries involved:Battle of Hong Kong - CanadaBattle of the Coral Sea - AustraliaBattle of the Java Sea - The NetherlandsBattle of Timor - Great Britain (and The Netherlands, and Australia).To say that we single-handedly won the war in the [P]acific is quite ignorant.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

And let's not forget the monumental role the Chinese played in the second Sino-Japanese War.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"All of the European allies were struggling until the US pushed them over the top."That is Hollywood's version of history, USA didn't even join WWII until the allies started to win."And while doing all of this, the United States single-handedly won the war in the pacific."More ignorant junk, Britain also contributed to the Pacific front.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

"That is Hollywood's version of history, USA didn't even join WWII until the allies started to win.”Your kidding right?"More ignorant junk, Britain also contributed to the Pacific front.”You also probably think the U.S. had no role in North Africa
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"Your kidding right?"You genuinely believe that the Allies would have lost the war if the US hadn't got involved?"You also probably think the U.S. had no role in North Africa"Other than provide a few men, No.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

Your tags are wrong. Why is there no Finland?Finland defeated the USSR AND Germany during the course of WW2. Against the USSR, the Finns killed 25% of the Soviet forces. In fact, the total casualties suffered was 5:1 in Finland's favour. It was in this war that the Finns invented the Molotov bomb. A comprehensive slaughtering.As for the Nazi's, they outnumbered the Finnish about 3:1. What happened? Finnish victory, of course. Whilst it was closer than the Winter War against the USSR, the Finnish still won. If I had to choose between the two you provided, I would have to go with the USA. It completely changed the course of the war. And those supporting the USSR should be reminded that the only reason the Nazi's didn't decimate Russia was due to Hitler's poor tactical decisions at certain points. This image of the might Red Army destroying the evil Nazi's is quite misinformed.But, as for the true hero, we should all remember the heroic nation of Finland. One ballsy nation.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"the only reason the Nazi's didn't decimate Russia was due to Hitler's poor tactical decisions at certain points"Lets not forget the huge importance of the Russian winter, German forces were expecting to finish their objective before this occurred, they were close. This lead to the Germans being completely unprepared and not properly equipped by the time the winter appeared. They were freezing, starving and their moral was just shot because they were supposed to be home by then. The Germans were not at all prepared for the Russian winter, the soviets on the other hand, took it to full advantage, and in-turn turned the war around.This though, could obviously support your point because this was a poor tactical decision
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

See my argument disputing Garry on the other side. It goes into more detail about Germany's failure. The Russian winter played a huge part, but for 2 reasons.1. Germany should have won by Blitzkrieg before the winter started. Their failure to do so was probably due to Hitler's growing incompetence.2. Russia's logistical system was far superior to Germany's, again, I believe this to be due to Hitler's incompetence regarding Russian capability.Of course the winter was key. Napoleon knew as well as Hitler that it sucked. But it only was key due to German errors.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

You also have the strategy the Russians used, continuous charging without stop, many lives would be lost but it sure does work well for a big army.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

Finland lost both the Winter War and the Continuation War; they did not have victory.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

I didn't mention the continuation war. I know that that was a Soviet victory, but the two I mentioned, the Winter war and the Lapland war, both resulted in Finnish victory (well, the former is technically a draw, but the Finns won in every measurable aspect).It should also be noted that the continuation war was between the joint forces of Nazi Germany and Finland, against the USSR and the UK.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

YES. Someone else who realizes how awesome Finland was! You are now awesome.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

I'm really tempted to say the USSR, because I think they are greatly undervalued but it's difficult to argue the American contribution. The United States fought the war on three fronts: Western Europe, North Africa, and the Asian Pacific. Whereas Russia only fought on one front: Eastern Europe. As well as bankrolling both British and Russian forces.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"The United States fought the war on three fronts: Western Europe,"The Western front was opened up near the end of the war (1944), this second front was being called for by Stalin in 1941, but it was ignored by Churchill and Rosevelt as they wanted to see the USSR crippled almost as much as they wanted to see Hitler crippled, also this was fought with the help of many other countries, and it was a relatively easy win as Germany was completely pre-occupied on the Eastern front, i.e."Although most of total German military deaths occurred on the Eastern Front, German losses on the Western Front were almost irreplaceable, because most of Germany's resources were being allocated to the Eastern Front. This meant that, while losses there could be replaced to some extent, very little replacements or reinforcements were being sent to the west to stop the advance of the Western Allies."Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(World_War_II) )North Africa,This was primarily fought by British Commonwealth forces, the US contribution was relatively small, and only really became significantl near the end of this campaign.and the Asian Pacific."This was largest US contribution (in terms of actual fighting anyway), but the Soviets also had a hand in it near the end."Whereas Russia only fought on one front: Eastern Europe."That is frankly a pathetic justification which isn't really true, the Eastern front was the single largest military confrontation in human history, your contributions in all other areas pale in comparison, the USSR had been fighting since 1941, the won all the crucial victories before the Allies even decided to join in, they defeated the Nazis, the fact that you swooped in at the end of the war in order to provide the necessary push does not entitle you to claim you won the war, without them in the war Hitler would have had an easy time of it, but Hitler knew who his main competitor was."As well as bankrolling both British and Russian forces."See my argument on the other side.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

That is frankly a pathetic justification which isn't really true, the Eastern front was the single largest military confrontation in human history, your contributions in all other areas pale in comparisonLargest in terms of body count, sure, but that's simply because Russia had a huge population size, and it's soldiers were getting massacred by German forces throughout the majority of the war. A lot of Russian soldiers weren't even issued a rifle, and were required to pick up rifles from fallen comrades. The Americans were fighting the Germans, the Italians, and The Japanese. Imagine if the Russians had to fight both the Germans and the Japanese, it would have been a completely different story.Not to mention the massive economic contribution the US gave to the allied forces in WWII, even before we officially entered the war. Factor into that the supplies that the US denied German forces, the planes it shot down, the tanks it destroyed, the industrial plants it bombed, the Sea vessels it sunk. The Americans had an economic strangle-hold on German as well as Italian, and Japanese forces.The USSR is underrated I think, but it still doesn't quite compare.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

Well, the above statement isn't necessary false, of course the Russians were getting massacred, they were fighting the Nazis single handedly.This is false. The USSR was composed of some 8 or so countries. This isn't even including the Allies that were fighting the Nazis on other fronts; Italy, North Africa, and then The Western front.You didn't have fight the Germans, the USSR did, 90% of all German forces were defeated on the Eastern front, by the USSR!!!Most sources seem to indicate about 75% to 80%, and who knows what number of those deaths were caused by the Germans being ill-prepared for the Russian Winter. And you also have neglected to acknowledge that Germany wasn't the only Axis power. As far as combat related deaths, Japan suffered roughly the same number of casualties about 2 to 3 million as did Germany. Including over 1 million captured Italian soldiers by Britain and the US. Russia had a hell of a lot more help fighting the Germans than the USA had fighting the Japanese.As I said in mr argument, you supplied the USSR in order to keep the blood flowing on both sides, nobody ever expected the Soviets to actually beat the Nazis.So what you're saying is that with monetary and supply aid from the US, the blood wouldn't have been flowing so evenly, that the Russians would have been beaten back. Now that we understand that...
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"This is false. The USSR was composed of some 8 or so countries. This isn't even including the Allies that were fighting the Nazis on other fronts; Italy, North Africa, and then The Western front."Please don't try to call me out on a a little technicality like that, we both know I meant the USSR, besides, if you really wanted to score that sad little point you should have been more careful not to make the same mistake yourself, i.e. "I'm really tempted to say the USSR, because I think they are greatly undervalued but it's difficult to argue the American contribution. The United States fought the war on three fronts: Western Europe, North Africa, and the Asian Pacific. Whereas Russia only fought on one front: Eastern Europe.""Most sources seem to indicate about 75% to 80%, and who knows what number of those deaths were caused by the Germans being ill-prepared for the Russian Winter."Yes the weather killed them, and drove them back, then single handedly defeated them, and marched on Berlin and became a global superpower."And you also have neglected to acknowledge that Germany wasn't the only Axis power."Thats because the others powers were incredibly weak relative to the strength of the German army, the Italians were atrocious, and needed to be bailed out in North Africa, the Japanese were better than the Italisn but still couldn't hold a candle to Germany, i.e."For the Allies in World War Two, the defeat of Germany was their priority. Italy and Japan never posed the same kind of threat as the European superpower they fought alongside. Their defeat, costly though it was, became irresistible. The key to ending the world crisis was the defeat of Hitler's Germany."Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/how_the_allies_won_01.shtml "Russia had a hell of a lot more help fighting the Germans than the USA had fighting the Japanese"Just stop."So what you're saying is that with monetary and supply aid from the US, the blood wouldn't have been flowing so evenly, that the Russians would have been beaten back. Now that we understand that..."No, that doesn't lead logically on from my statement, what I am talking about is how the USSR were perceived by the US, the UK and by the Nazis. They were the surprise package of WW2, even people who think it was all due to bad tactics would have to acknowledge that.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

Please don't try to call me out on a a little technicality like that, we both know I meant the USSROkay, but you still completely ignored my other point which was that the western allies fought the Nazis on other fronts, to say that the USSR defeated the Nazis single-handedly is completely false.Yes the weather killed them, and drove them back, then single handedly defeated them, and marched on Berlin and became a global superpower.First of all this is a straw man, I only said that it greatly contributed to Nazi deaths.Secondly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Winter Thats because the others powers were incredibly weak relative to the strength of the German armyJapan + Italy = 12 million strong militarilyGermany + Spain + Austria = 13 million strong militarilyI'm only adding them together because most sources seem to include Austrian and Spanish military as part of the German count.Just stop.In what world is this considered a rebuttal. Address the issue. No, that doesn't lead logically on from my statement, what I am talking about is how the USSR were perceived by the US, the UK and by the Nazis.What the hell does how they were perceived have to do with anything. The USSR received monetary and Supply aid from the US. Address the issue.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"I'm really tempted to say the USSR, because I think they are greatly undervalued"I completly agree."but it's difficult to argue the American contribution. "Because, like the rest of america's history, it is swamped with myths and propaganda."The United States fought the war on three fronts: Western Europe, North Africa, and the Asian Pacific."Their only main contribution was the Pacific fronts, otherwise Britian and France could have managed without them."Whereas Russia only fought on one front: Eastern Europe."And fought it well.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

otherwise Britian and France could have managed without them.What are you talking about? The French couldn't even defend themselves, and for the vast majority of the war french forces were fighting for Hitler aside from small resistance forces.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France Their only main contribution was the Pacific fronts,The Japanese Military was almost as big as the German Military and With the exception of Great Britain defending it's own colonies in the Pacific The United States Pretty much fought the entire Japanese Military by itself won and still managedto fight the Italians, and the Nazis.And fought it well.Not really. The soviets vastly outnumbered the Germans and yet they were still getting their asses handed to them, if not for the Russian Winter and desperately needed Supplies from the Americans, the Nazis probably would have taken Moscow.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"What are you talking about? The French couldn't even defend themselves, and for the vast majority of the war french forces were fighting for Hitler aside from small resistance forces."Yes I'll admit that the French sort of surrendered... But Britain had started ti reconquer land before USA even joined the war, Battle of TarantoBattle of KerenThere are even more examples I could provide that would include victories of China and Russia. While USA helped speed up victory, I will not withdraw myt statement that Britain and the allies could have managed without them."The Japanese Military was almost as big as the German Military and With the exception of Great Britain defending it's own colonies in the Pacific The United States Pretty much fought the entire Japanese Military by itself won and still managedto fight the Italians, and the Nazis"Likewise, the German and Italian military was bigger than the Japanese military, and with the exception of USA soldiers Great Britain and USSR pretty muched saved Europe on their own and Britain still managed to lend a hand to fight the Japanese."Not really. The soviets vastly outnumbered the Germans and yet they were still getting their asses handed to them,"Just because more Russians died than Americans did, doesn't ommit their contribution to the war."if not for the Russian Winter and desperately needed Supplies from the Americans, the Nazis probably would have taken Moscow."Fighters are heros not the guys who supply them with the equipment, yes the equipment may have been crucial, but the confidence and bravery of the fighter is more important.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

But Britain had started ti reconquer land before USA even joined the war, I will not withdraw myt statement that Britain and the allies could have managed without them.That wasn't the debate question. The debate question is who contributed more to victory USA or USSR.I will go so far as to say that if any of the 3 major Allies; Britain, USA, or USSR were absent from the war, it could have likely come to a different outcome.Likewise, the German and Italian military was bigger than the Japanese militaryThe soviets didn't fight the Italians (few exceptions), Americans and Brits did. So you should be combining the Japanese and the Italians. Just because more Russians died than Americans did, doesn't ommit their contribution to the war.Agreed, but it doesn't add to it either.Fighters are heros not the guys who supply them with the equipmentSupply lines can easily determine the course of the war. A soldier without a weapon, without bullets, and without food is machine gun fodder. Many soviet soldiers didn't even have a rifle and were forced to pick up the rifles of fallen comrades.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

"That wasn't the debate question. The debate question is who contributed more to victory USA or USSR."I believe the Debate is open to suggest other countries as well, I believe the Debate creator only chose U.S.A and U.S.S.R because he considers them the only worthy candidates and was too close minded to put this as a perspective debate. Whereas if we counted the British Empire as 1 hero (like I would have wanted to), it would easily win. "I will go so far as to say that if any of the 3 major Allies; Britain, USA, or USSR were absent from the war, it could have likely come to a different outcome."I completly agree with this and the rest of your statements, I believe this argument is over.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.A

"But Britain had started ti reconquer land before USA even joined the war,”The battle of Taranto was after the U.S. had given the British 50 destroyers in the destroyers for bases deal, and being a large naval conflict, this made a difference."I will not withdraw myt statement that Britain and the allies could have managed without them.”Well, thats interesting, Churchill didn’t believe that Britain could defeat the Nazis without U.S. aid, thats why he said  "Give us the tools, and we will finish the job.” but its good to know your judgement is better than that of Winston Churchill.http://www.awesomestories.com/assets/churchill-give-us-the-tools-and-we-will- finish-the-job "Great Britain and USSR pretty muched saved Europe on their own and Britain still managed to lend a hand to fight the Japanese.”Please look into the lend Lease act, it was America supplying the entire allied front with significant amounts of war supplies, but again, feel free to differ from a world war 2 leader, Stalin said this Without Allied aid, Stalin later admitted, "we would not have been able to cope”http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/how_the_allies_won_01.shtml "Britain still managed to lend a hand to fight the Japanese.”Im not sure if you know this, but there was something called D-Day, I advise you to look into it before you make statements such as these.
Debate: Who was the hero of World War 2?
Side: U.S.S.R

You can glorify the U.S supplying the Allies, but the debate asks "Who was the hero of World War 2? " not "Who helped the hero of World War 2 by giving them things without actually fighting?""Im not sure if you know this, but there was something called D-Day, I advise you to look into it before you make statements such as these."1) I'm not sure how this disagrees with "Britain fighting the Japanese", I guess you hadn't read my sentance proporly or just assumed what I had written.2) I know enough about D-Day, to know that the U.S's soldiers failed so much that their only real use was cannon fodder. (Apoligies for being blunt about it)3) I suggest that you might want to conduct more research yourself about D-Day instead of just watching the story "Saving Private Ryan".3)