azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I showed you how the words conception and birth are synonyms of one another where the beginning of something is concerned. No, you are breaking the rules, you are wrong. The rest of your argument is invalid, so I didn't read it. I can't explain it to you any better. You are breaking the rules.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

If you are seriously interested in the truth, you should contact a Biology and an English teacher and get them together for a discussion. If You do that, you'll see that I am in fact - correct.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Have you actually gone and done that?
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Side: Yes

I don't have any question about the use of the word and... You do. So...
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

But, you were incorrect before when you said that the people on this website would back your opinion up, how do you know the the Biologist and English teacher will back you up?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Where did I claim that anyone here would back me up?It's not an opinion... it's a fact. Conception is the biological beginning (birth) of a new organism. I don't need anyone else's input to know that.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

You are a charlatan and a rogue. I don't need anyone to back that up, but I could actually do it, unlike you in your claims.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Posthumous HeirsA posthumous child is one who was conceived before, but who is bornafter, the decedent’s death. Usually such a child can take as an heir of theparent, because posthumous children are treated as born at conception ifthey subsequently are born alive. Depending on state law this may applyonly to children of the decedent and not with respect to other representatives.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The Modern Treatment of Syphilitic Diseases, The parent diseased before conception gives birth to a diseased child, which is then formed and developed in the womb of a tainted mother.  Page 340
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

This proves my point. Normally you are not born at conception. Someone has to die for this to be considered.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I never disputed the fact that the word birth or born most commonly refers to the moment of parturition. YOU are the one disputing the fact that birth and born can also refer to the moment that an organism is created (conceived).
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Yes, and I am right. So, what's the problem here?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

FYI:"Hello! This is a receipt for a question you recently asked at allexperts.com, in category Biology. Most of our questions were answered in 3 days. Thanks for using our service!Your question was"Thank you for considering my question.Biologically speaking, when is an organism actually born? At Conception - when it comes into existence (being) and when it's life as a new organism begins? Or is it at Parturition (when it finally emerges from the womb?)In science, when is a new organism considered to be "born?""Question was asked on 06/18/2013
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I guess you figured out that I wasn't going to do that. Good initiative. I wonder what the answer will be.
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Side: Yes

I don't.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

I should have predicted this. The so called "expert" tries to have it both ways. Answer: One definition of birth is coming into existance.The other is leaving the womb or egg.  I was unable to bring up the first reference you gave. As to the second one it seems to me that with the term "born at conception" the word born is used in a different way then when considering the exit from the womb or egg. (no shit) The reason you cannot find support for the view of scientists that conception is birth of an organism is because the term "birth" is arbitrary and means different things to different people. Proponents of the belief that a fertilized egg is a person want to accept that conception is birth. This may be true but it is not a fact because it cannot be tested. " What an idiot. No shit, it's "used in a DIFFERENT WAY" - Nobody was claiming that a new organism goes through Parturition at conception. It's time to try another expert.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

No, it isn't. It would be dishonest to just go to another expert :)
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Seeking the truth is not a dishonest act.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

I agree. What you are doing is dishonest, though. Even according to you. ;)
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The so called "expert" tries to have it both ways.  Answer: One definition of birth is coming into existance.The other is leaving the womb or egg. It is not dishonest to seek a more definite answer to the question "when is an organism actually born." I challenge you to show how it is.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

It is dishonest not to acknowledge the facts that were presented to you. Would you like to know who told me that?
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Side: Yes

I would rather you show me the facts that you think I am in denial of so I can rebut them for you again.
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Side: No

Fact: Expert replied in a way that you didn't like.Fact: You want to ignore what that expert said and find another one to use.Fact: You said it is dishonest to not acknowledge the first fact.Fact: You are dishonest.
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Fact: Expert replied in a way that nobody should have likedFact: The Expert played it both ways and essentially said we are both rightFact: I have in fact acknowledged the expert's answer. I simply find it lacking and vague. Fact: It is not dishonest to multi-source your references when trying to get to a truthful answer to a question.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Fact: It is not dishonest to multi-source your references when trying to get to a truthful answer to a question.It is in fact dishonest to multi source your references after YOU have decided that your first reference wouldn't validate YOUR point.Are your pants on fire yet?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The expert did in fact validate my point. The only problem with his answer was that he was too vague about it. I already knew the definitions and use of the words. I expected that he (a supposed expert) would have provided something in the way of references himself. It didn't happen. So, the search for confirmation continues. The search for truth and clarification is never a dishonest act.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

The search for truth and clarification is never a dishonest act.Unless it is for the truth that you don't believe in apparently.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You have been shown where both medical and legal experts have used the word birth to mark the origin of an organism at conception. You have been shown the expert's comment and how it can apply to conceptions. You are now grasping at straws and trying to muddy the waters. It's your own dishonesty that is showing. Not mine.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

What I have learned is that it is dishonest to say that you don't think something has been born before it is born, but not dishonest to ignore what an expert tells you. I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

You have a right to be wrong if you want to be. I'm not sure why you think that and the denials helps you though.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Ok, so you are saying it is not dishonest to think that something hasn't been born until it is born and it is dishonest to ignore an expert. Fine, I will switch sides.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Yeah he is quite the charlatan in fact if you go take a bit more in depth look to conception and birth being synonyms you will see they are only synonyms under the definition of 4. conception - the creation of something in the mind
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

looks like chuzzy the dill weed troll doesn't like the fact I destroyed one of his main arguments.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Well chuzzy still hasn't refuted me yet I guess the dill weed will just keep resorting to down votes.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

This from the idiot's own linkCONCEPTIONnoun1. understanding, idea, picture, impression, perception, clue, appreciation, comprehension, inkling He doesn't have the slightest conception of teamwork.2. idea, plan, design, image, concept, notion The symphony is admirable in its conception.3. impregnation, insemination, fertilization, germination Six weeks after conception your baby is the size of your little fingernail.4. origin, beginning, launching, BIRTH, formation, invention, outset, initiation, inception It is six year's since the project's conception.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Wow, it actually has it listed as a synonym. I have always felt Thesauaruses were useless. Either way, it is only in the context of ideas. You can't say that because the conception of an idea is also the birth of an idea that conception of a child is also the birth of the child. The context matters, which is what we have been trying to tell you.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Yeah but it is sometimes hard to make a dill weed troll like chuzzy understand where he is wrong.
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Side: Yes

yeah he just down votes rather then even consider the other persons argument.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

That just helps prove my point dill weed
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Conception is the BIRTH, origination, and beginning of a child and conception is the inception of the mother's pregnancy with the child. The sources I quoted earlier support this fact and the real idiots here are the ones in denial of the fact that conception is the biological birth of a new organism and the fact that parturition is only the emergence of the already existing child from the womb.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The sources I quoted earlier support this fact and the real idiots here are the ones in denialthe only one in denial here is you so are you saying the only idiot here then?the fact that conception is the biological birth of a new organismActually conception is the moment were the new organism starts to devolpConception is the BIRTH, origination, beginning of a childActually chuzzy Conception ( or at least the one we are talkign about) is con·cep·tion (kn-spshn)n.1.a. Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.b. The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote. the fact that parturition is only the emergence from the womb.That is also the main way birth happens
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

birth (bɜrθ) n.  1. an act or instance of being born: day of birth.  2. the act or process of bearing or bringing forth offspring; childbirth; parturition.  3. lineage; extraction; descent: of Grecian birth.  4. high or noble lineage.  5. heritage: a musician by birth.  6. any coming into existence: the birth of an idea.  7. Archaic. something that is born. v.t.  8. to give birth to. Idioms: give birth to,  a. to bear (a child).  b. to initiate; originate.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

birth (bûrth)n.1.a. The emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother.b. The act or process of bearing young; parturition: the mare's second birth.c. The circumstances or conditions relating to this event, as its time or location: an incident that took place before my birth; a Bostonian by birth.2.a. The set of characteristics or circumstances received from one's ancestors; inheritance: strong-willed by birth; acquired their wealth through birth.b. Origin; extraction: of Swedish birth; of humble birth.c. Noble or high status: persons of birth.3. A beginning or commencement. See Synonyms at beginning.tr.v. birthed, birth·ing, births Chiefly Southern U.S.1. To deliver (a baby).2. To bear (a child).6. any coming into existence: the birth of an idea.alright chuzzy i'll give you that one the birth and conception of an idea is the same thing.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

1. When does a new organism come into being? (Conception or parturition?)2. When is a new organism originated? (Conception or parturition?)3. When does a new organism's life begin? (Conception or parturition?)4. At what point does a pregnant women begin to bear her child? (Conception or parturition?)5. At what point does the child emerge from the womb? (Conception or parturition?)In all of these ways save one, a child is born at and by conception.In only one way, is the child born in the sense that it emerges from the womb.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

do tell chuzzy is birth and conception are synonyms then why are they only so under the definition of? 4. conception - the creation of something in the mind
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

BIRTH:6. ANY coming into existence: the birth of an idea. alright chuzzy i'll give you that one the birth and conception of an idea is the same thing.ANY adjective 1. one, a, an, or some; one or more without specification or identification: If you have any witnesses, produce them. Pick out any six you like. 2. whatever or whichever it may be: cheap at any price. 3. in whatever quantity or number, great or small; some: Do you have any butter? 4. every; all: Any schoolboy would know that. Read any books you find on the subject. 5. (following a negative) at all: She can't endure any criticism.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

do tell chuzzy is birth and conception are synonyms then why are they only so under the definition of?4. conception - the creation of something in the mind
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

BIRTH:6. ANY coming into existence: the birth of an idea. alright chuzzy i'll give you that one the birth and conception of an idea is the same thing.ANY adjective 1. one, a, an, or some; one or more without specification or identification: If you have any witnesses, produce them. Pick out any six you like. 2. whatever or whichever it may be: cheap at any price. 3. in whatever quantity or number, great or small; some: Do you have any butter? 4. every; all: Any schoolboy would know that. Read any books you find on the subject.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

If we think about a baby, born at conception, the embryo needs nutrition,and the same asloiml, .,,ie.a child,a growing body,etc. And this body needs activity to strengthen every muscle possible. Even the baby in the womb/belly of a mother, exercises their lungs by breathing all the liquids he or she is completely submerged in.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

BIRTH6. ANY coming into existence: the birth of an idea.  alright chuzzy i'll give you that one the birth and conception of an idea is the same thing.ANY adjective 1. one, a, an, or some; one or more without specification or identification: If you have any witnesses, produce them. Pick out any six you like. 2. whatever or whichever it may be: cheap at any price. 3. in whatever quantity or number, great or small; some: Do you have any butter? 4. every; all: Any schoolboy would know that. Read any books you find on the subject. 5. (following a negative) at all: She can't endure any criticism.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

for someone who said they were tired of this site and saying they were going to leave you sure do spend a lot of time on here still.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

CHEATER!!!!!! This is a bad definition. It goes against other definitions. You lose again.
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Side: Yes

and time for chuzzy the dill weed troll to resort to down votes.
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Side: Yes

ah that dill weed is so predictable.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

Do you actually think that asking worthless questions will help your side? Oh wait, obviously you do, that's all you ever ask.Why are you trying so hard to deny the fact that conception originates a new organism? Irrelevant That conception is the beginning of that new organism's life and physical existence?IrrelevantThat conception is in that respect, the birth of a new organism? My definition does not allow for this conclusion.Why does that fact bother you so much?If you are right, then all words are worthless and meaningless. If you are right every word means every other word.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

My definition does not allow for this conclusion.Is it wise or honest to cherry pick your definitions so as to exclude the use of words? Wouldn't it be more wise to consider all of the definitions and to give consideration to their applicability?You show your bias when you dismiss the one that says any coming into existence... and you try to make the one that you quoted seem like it excludes animals coming into existence. It's obvious to me that you actually know the definitions are applicable to conception. So, you are only fooling yourself with your denials.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

So you are only arguing from your opinionated view point?
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Side: No

Yes. The question is Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?Who's view point am I supposed to be arguing?
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Side: Yes

Well most of us are using facts or something. I just wanted to know before I continued debating.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

The fetus exists, it is a fetal being, sure. You are using definitions, not facts.
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Side: Yes

That fetus is a human being. Using a definition is using a fact or else it wouldn't be a valid definition. All we are debating about is facts. It is a human. Just by the definition we should be able to tell that it is. Your personal opinion wont change the definition.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Using a definition is using a fact or else it wouldn't be a valid definition.How do you know the definition is valid?All we are debating about is facts.Do you believe = opinion, not facts.Your personal opinion wont change the definition.Right, I wasn't trying to change it, yet.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

How do you know the definition is valid?We parallel it with other definition and with the works of scientists.Do you believe = opinion, not facts.That is a weak thing to say. Thats like the religious arguments. Do you believe God exists? People argue facts. Opinions wont make it that far.Right, I wasn't trying to change it, yet.Alright then.
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

We parallel it with other definition and with the works of scientists.It's just words.That is a weak thing to say. Thats like the religious arguments. Do you believe God exists? People argue facts. Opinions wont make it that far.Um, ok.
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Side: Yes

It's just words.Words with meaning and truth. Um, ok.Thats all you have to say?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: No

Words with meaning and truth. Meaning, yes. Truth, no.Thats all you have to say?I felt no need to contribute more to your dumb statements.
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Side: Yes

Meaning, yes. Truth, noI exist. - Meaning? Yes. Truth? Yes.I felt no need to contribute more to your dumb statements.Like the ones you post thinking you are funny?
Debate: Do you believe the embryo/fetus is a human being?
Side: Yes

The fetus exists, it is a fetal being, sure. You are using definitions, not facts.If the fetus exists and the fetus is human - Then how is that Not a human existence?It IS A human being.If a fetal human being is not a human being - then what kind of being is it?
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Side: No

Fetal, like I said ;)
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Side: Yes

Is a human fetus not human?
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Yes, it is human.
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And thus a human being.
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Support!It's the only logical conclusion that can be made.
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Side: No

Human fetal being, happy now?
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No. Not even a little bit.
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Side: Yes

Good :)
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Side: Yes

Human fetal being, happy now?Our happiness is irrelevant. Why can't you agree that it's a fetal human being?
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Side: No

I have no reason to.
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Side: Yes

You have no reason not to.
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Side: Yes

Fine, I call it a fetal human being now. But, I still think it is not a human being ;)
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Fine, I call it a fetal human being now. But, I still think it is not a human being ;)de·lu·sion·aladjective 1. having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions: 2. Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness.
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Side: No

A dog is man's best friend. If I switch the words around to the best friend of man, can I just chop off the front words and say the dog is a man?
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Side: Yes

A dog is man's best friend. If I switch the words around to the best friend of man, can I just chop off the front words and say the dog is a man?Is that what you think we are doing?
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Side: Yes

That's exactly what you are doing, but you don't realize it.
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Side: No

I thought we just did this. Twice. No I do not think the fetus is a human being. It is human, but as human as any extension of one's own being.
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Side: No

You know. My morals probably don't support it being a human in any sense. I would imagine that when it finally has brain activity it is officially a human.