azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

That is assuming that an individual could bring the company to court, which isn't always possible for various reasons. That is also assuming the individual would win, a union would be much more likly to win against a company in court, since collectivly they have better resources and a better case then individually. Unions can force improvements in working conditions by collectively denying the labor needed for the work, in-till demands are meet. Eventually, the cost for denying them their demands damages the company more then otherwise, so they yield. These demands can be something like more light in the factory or a better air filtration system. The decision to invest in safety of a labor force which may be in abundance and unskilled, is one a company will be reluctant on doing due to its own interests. Thus unions makes it in their interests. If the labor force was scarce, then such investments would be in their interests. The strike creates that scarce condition artificially. Why does the supply of laborers effect the companies interests, its simple supply and demand. Most communists envision a transitory stage which accelerates the coming of communism while maintaining worker conditions and such. This stage varies greatly, and is a source of much disagreement; its typically called socialism. Capitalism has been a powerful force, and it can be one for good. However, it does have some nasty pilot fish so to speak, and things can be done to help lower their population, one of those things may be good regulation, unions up to a point, and so forth. It really depends on the prevailing conditions what should be done. Its quite certain you shouldn't try to skip a vital stage of development like what mao or lenin try to in the USSR and china. However, That stage of development can be modified such that its quicker and less destructive. The economies of scale needed for a sustain supply is relatively large, and the conditions for getting most people to sign a petition while still giving the company accurate forecasts of sustainable demand is cost prohibitive and most people would likely consider it too sweet. It might work on my college campus as a brain boosting agent, but my area of residence wouldn't find that attractive and I imagine most of the small population of potential brain boosters are already on stronger chemicals. I could try, but the chances of success doesn't seem to out weigh the risks.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

In today's United States, companies are a lot more transparent, and accountability is a lot easier to provide. I think regulatory measures for the most part don't work and only slow the process down. Maybe in the 1900's people needed to organize and form Unions to represent themselves, but that isn't the case any longer. It's been a long long time since unions accomplished anything worthy of praise. The fact of the matter is, we were still a developing country then, and technology was a lot more unproven and unsafe then. The way the world works, we would get a lot more accomplished with global free trade, open borders, and an unregulated market where the only "regulation" is a businesses wikipedia page and reviews that can spread like wildfire through the internet. Thanks to this wonderful communication device we're speaking on right now, any serious problems on the part of a business result in an almost immediate drop in sales as a disciplinary measure.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

You can only trust companies to be transparent if it benefits them, if not they may just maintain the appearance of transparency. Consider Enron's accounting scandal. I'll agree unions were more effective and useful under past conditions, I actually think the threat of unionization is more effective if its taken seriously; since a would be union's demands are meet and the later problems of unions further down the road are avoided. If a union came around asking for members where I worked, I doubt I'll sign on. Unions derive from free association, and should be protected as a facet of that right. A union can kinda step on the toes of that right itself though, by creating close shops which is a sign that the union lacks confidence in their own utility and is likely becoming useless.One of the main problems in a market economy is availability of vast amounts of accurate information and how to use it, While user reviews can aid improve information, without regulatory bodies some information would be available only from the company, which may have interests in being deceptive. If we want to be proactive rather than retributive, we can't relies on catching companies with their pants down. If a toxic material provides a competitive edge, there is likely a company willing to put it in toys and not tell their consumers. Unless a private organization can provide bias free safety checks on products to keep other businesses honest, some level of government involvement would be needed.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Well, do you think that if the markets were truly free, there wouldn't be some enterprising young fellow who sees the need for a fact checking and investigatory service? Perhaps offering a seal of approval for safety and health concerns that consumers trust and buy more than products without? This way it's advantageous for a company to practice safe and responsible business practices. All I'm suggesting is that there are plenty of Free Market solutions to these problems that people have been supposing there is no solution to.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

There are a lot of free-market solutions or approximate solutions for many things and your proposal is one of them, however it can't make sure that all products in a certain class meet certain requirements before they are sold rather it may boost sells of those that do. If the goal is to insure that products which can cause major, society wide health concerns, like lead in gasoline, are not used; then it'll fail but if its use is to verify a property of a product, like not having lead in it or not causing wide scale health concerns, then it may very well succeed. It could replace things like the usda's certified organic seal. Apparently, such an organization has already been implemented to verify fair labor practices: http://www.fairlabor.org/It still has the potential for bribery and deception itself, which could be practically eliminated if there were multiple companies doing the same and fact checking each other. Companies paying for a lot of seals of approval basically saying the same thing would be expensive, likely increasing their product costs relative to those without them. In all likely hood, 2 or 3 large organizations providing seals of approval would arise. This could work for verification and promotion of products. I still think the FDA should be around to actually stop something like a zombie creating virus to be sold, since the other private organizations could only state that it doesn't satisfy their tests for safety and thus lacks their seal of approval.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Citing India? That democratic capitalist experiment thats killed 120 million people?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

India? That democratic capitalist experiment thats killed 120 million people since 1947?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Stalin was evil, he killed more people than the nazis did, all because of his communist ideas. capitalism is free and good, communism is foolish, especially the idea of every getting the same pay.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

stalin for your info was no real communist, stalin did not kill more than Hitler, you don't really know what communism is you don't know the evils of capitalism. Stalin was loved by the people. USSR was not comunist
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

From USSR history all of us knows that communism is not a useful and productive system because USSR had collapsed. If we talk about China and their "communism", so, it is not a real communism which Marks and Engels preached. It is a mix of totalitarian regime and commercial relationships. Commercial or market-oriented relationships as you may know are traits of CAPITALISM. So, we can see that China becomes the most developed country not because of their political system, but because of well-oriented changes in economics- market, there market exists. hat about a real communism- there are no place for market, for private property. Thats why capitalism is better than communism.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Capitalism is better. Communism enslaves each individual to the community. Capitalism allows each individual to be free and independent. Communism never makes progress because individuals are not given a just reward for improving things, while capitalism constantly improves. Communism lacks the economic freedom of choice to the fullest extent possible, in Capitalism people are free to choose what they want. Communism gives the lazy as much as the hard working, while capitalism allows each individual to sell their labor, creating a result where the hardest working are rewarded in accordance to how hard they work. In capitalism each person is independent, in communism each person is interdependent, interdependence is a form of slavery. In communism people work where the central Government tells them to, while in capitalism they work where they want.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

How is it determined who does what for a living in a communist system? Does a pizza delivery person earn the same compensation as a brain surgeon? Will there still be pizza delivery people? I can't buy into the idea until I know.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Then go look up what real communism is, by Karl Marx, according to a multitude of different dictionaries. If you can't buy into the idea until you know, then go find out before taking a side!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

hen go look up what real communism is, by Karl Marx, according to a multitude of different dictionaries. If you can't buy into the idea until you know, then go find out before taking a side!I had to be on one side or another didn't I? At any rate, could you just indulge me? Will there be pizza delivery people and will they be compensated at the same rate as brain surgeons? I looked up both questions and couldn't find an answer to either.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Pizza delivery people will likely still be an available role, and brain surgeons of course are needed. Both will be compensated for their hard work with what they need in proportion to how hard they work. A brain surgeon will likely be given more material compensation since he is so much more needed, but only in a way that is fair in relation to how hard he works.He is not given, of all things, more power, and the ability to grow his power based upon no additional work. He receives compensation fairly in relation to his work. Even if he messes up once or twice, communism does not scorn him for being human; he will always receive what he deserves for his work; nothing more, nothing less.The pizza, delivery boy, which I do not know if the job will even be needed or not, will have the same treatment. He works, and he is compensated for his work. He doesn't work as hard as a brain surgeon, but the delivery person will always, at the very least, be compensated with what is required to live comfortably.And now that I think about it, it would definitely still be a job that would be present in the perfect communist society. Just like all other jobs, being a delivery person would be a free service to those people who worked hard to receive it.And also in this perfect communist society, you are, for the most part, free. Education is free, and all service required to live comfortably is free. It is all free as long as you play your part and help your community, even with a job as lowly as a mail-man or maid-girl. Since education is free, you will always be able to learn how to support your community more over time, and receive slightly more material compensation for your harder and harder work.Do you see how this works now? It's a very fleeting, perfect system; though I did end up simplifying it considerably. Unfortunately, 'fleeting' isn't a good thing; that's why, in the history of the world, there has never been a society such as this. Not ever; only totalitarianism... which makes me a sad man.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

well, how come you are a communist and have a computer and an interner connection?i thought this wasnt allowed in red countries. in Cuba people are not allowed to have a house let alone interner or tv, in china all sites are banned including google and in Venezuela hunger and poverty is so big it could end up a yo mamma joke. Dont get me wrong capitalism by it self is really bad as well but communism is the worse for many reasons. i ll tell you a short story, when Russia was communist it allowed inports from other countries mainly for food and equipment. the truck drivers that came into Russia would go around in the houses and by offering two or three tins with food they would "sleep" with the moms and daughters. forget communism my friend it sounds good but practically it is the worse dictatorship
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

do you wish to know why "red countries" don't allow the Internet and other luxuries? that because they are not communist! they have dictators in a truly communistic society there is no leader the people lead with no figurehead. People like you who claim that there are many communistic countries need to brush up on your history, as well as what communism is.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

To begin with try to pay more attention when reading.I never said that there are many red countries. Russia(old), Cuba, Venezuela, China arent they supposed to be led by communists?????dont almost all communists support che and wear his t-shirt????why do you dispute that?Is it because communism is actually a dictatorhip? oh yes! dont give me that crap about no figurehead.....you want a movement, you want to support a notion an idea?then you need inspiration and figureheads......if you want to talk about science fiction then fine, i can tell you that i believe that we are ruled by aliens hidden underneath the matrix........ but here we discuss two ideas two methods of ruling if yoy want. communism has failed big time over the years and has been betrayed by its best supporters. Take a look around the communist parties, they all have the same appearance, one guy who leads and is probably frikin rich and the rest of the dummies follow blindelly what he says going against anything and everything for no reason at all. as i said before capitalism is bad but please do not insult everyones intelligence by trying to state that communism is different from what we see in the real world.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

The proletariat consists of most of the population, thus a dictatorship of the proletariat is almost a democracy or democratic republic. There are multiple streams with in communism, your over simplifying it. Also many left communists consider other so called communists you speak of to just be "left of capitalism" and not actually communists. You speak against vanguardism in your post, so do many communists. Vanguardism isn't a part of classical Marxism, but was an addition to it; some would say a perversion. Whenever someone says "communist country", you instantly know they don't know communist theory, the term is an oxymoron or contradiction.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

what do you think about North Korea? if you see their life, then you can not say that.. lack of house, lack of money,lack of food,serve in the army until they die,.... your life is not yours... you live your life for country without freedom....do you want this kind of life?????? you better not
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

so many supporters of communism view seem to have the argument that the "rich" or "wealthy" people are evil or bad and the "poor" people are good. I think these people should clarify what is "rich and what is "poor". The truth is everyones got more then someone else. In your fantasy world be it Communism or whatever who is going to decide who has "to much money"?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Why assume that there would even be money?Its not so much that the rich are evil, or that the poor are good. If you took a poor man and made him a millionaire he would either become wealthy or blow it all, he didn't suddenly become evil by acquiring a large amount of cash at once.  Rather, the systems which both the rich and the poor are placed in creates class interests such that Lead in gasoline and toys is possible, that an "natural" rate of unemployment is continually in effect, and so on and so forth. The poor are the majority, and yet they have the smallest voice in how things are done in their community, things which affect all of them. Consider how much of an affect a worker has in determining if the dumping of toxic chemicals occurs, or if he gets paid below a fair price for his skills. With out the government or unions, large companies can basically do what they want in a market with limited information and limited competition(which tends to be the case). Yes people can "vote" with their dollar, but that is only under specific conditions which are rarely meet. Those who can vote the most with their dollars and in most situations, are large companies; like the ones who pay for a politician's expensive TV campaign adds, radio shows, etc. Capitalism allows for these inequities, where a very small number of entities(many of which are not a natural being) has more control over the entire economy then most of the natural members with in it. This is inherently undemocratic, and the differences in interest and power between such classes will only serve one of those classes if we leave it up to the market. Further more, a look at history will show that in general, conflict between the "haves" and the "have-nots" is what results in dramatic social and economic change due to the inherent discrepancies in their self-interests. So long as we have "have-nots" we will experience various social tensions, conflicts and so forth irregardless of the economic system put in place. However, these social tensions are not the sole source of invention or innovation, others exist. A harmonious and progressive society is only possible with a high enough real standard of living for each individual, which means things such as the natural rate of unemployment needs done away with or that unemployment needs to not matter, it means the concentration of ownership in the hands of a few needs to end, etc. In other words, the basic effects of capitalism needs to be surpassed.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: democracy

Democracy is the best with a fair and equitable capitalism. Communism is said to be about quality, but when practiced it becomes more feudal than anything else. Communism and Fascism are basically the same thing in the end.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

What you don't know is that modern democracy is an illusion designed by politicians to make you think you have a say in what happens. If you read the communist manifesto you would know that communism depends on democracy to live. Communism calls for rule by many, fascism calls for rule by one.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Communism is violation of human rights. I could never agree to that. People from communist countries are always trying to come to America, which is allegedly capitalist.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Whilst I respect the fact that communism aims to be centered on a fair community, they miss the fact that communism is not fair. If you work a few hours a week but are paid the same as someone who works almost all of their life, then how is that fair at all? Capitalism pays people what they deserve.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

it doesnt though does it. African women arent rich. The richest dont work
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Some of the richest do work. The Royal Family serve in the military and the CEOs of companies are busy at work being the CEOs of companies - working! Homeless people are the ones that do not work. Africa is a third-world country and that is completely different.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

SOME of the richest work? The royal family dont go to war they train to fly aircraft then ponce abou mt....anyway thats another debate. People dont get paid what they're deserved.CEO pay is through the roof and they do not work harder than any tradesman or nurse nor any body in the third world who gets exploited by capitalism
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Dude, I am just giving an example. Don't shoot the messenger.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

CEOs and royal family seriously bad examples of fairness of pay and hard work, are u joking?Merely pointing this out isnt shooting anyone.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

The richest people just sit back and let others do the work. Like an oil tycoon, or a big time CEO.And yeah, like a couple of years service in the military and some strolling around in public is work that merits the ownership of three castles.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

I used to think that communism would be a good system, but i think it is too restrictive and often ends up badly in a large community. As I stated in a recent debate, it is unfair for a doctor who has studied for over 5 years, worked incredibly hard, andI also think that right wing economics, i.e. free-market-ism, is the worst way to run a society. You'll end up with one or two huge monopolies controlling everything people do. I think, ironically, that hardcore communism ends up the same as hardcore right-winging, just as I think hardcore libertarianism will eventually become the same as hardcore authoritarianism. One party, or corporation, that controls everything.That is why I am a slightly libertarian socialist.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Fetus is worse.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Killing an aunt is very bad, but killing an ant is no big deal. The insect world is very brutal and the ant probably wouldn't mind you killing him.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Worse is subjective.Some could say that the ant is one of trillions of creatures that already practically own this planet, so to take out one of their constantly regenerating numbers is not as bad as taking out one of our, near as large, numbers that isn't as flourishing as them.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Im sorry but I have to laugh at the ignorance of people who say ant lol XD. You honestly think killing our own offspring is worse than killing an ant.