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Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Yes that was a cover up but the scandal (by which I mean the actions of the priests) put the church In an awkward position on one hand they had to punish those guilty on the other hand they had to keep the crimes out of the public view. This meant high profile trials and heavy handed punishments where out of the question as it would raise suspicion that something had happened and thus invite prying eyes and the reason only 150 of the SUSPECTED 5000 where punished was because only those 150 where found guilty. And the Catholic Church is not sexist haven't you ever heard of nuns? Women are seen as equals to men in modern Christianity. And criminal infiltration of government is no new thing a number of US presidents where thought to have had connections to the mafia so I don't see why your so hung up on the Borgias. The UDA and the IRA where motivated by political ideologies that where motivated IN PART by religious beliefs.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

If men and women are equal in the view of Catholocism why do we never see Nuns rise to positions of power, i've even been told by Nuns that they are not equal to their male equivalents and all positions of power are filled by men. If the Catholic Church was truely not sexist Nuns would stand the chance of being a Cardinal or Pope how often has that happened?
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Well only cardinals can become the pope and only bishops can be cardinals and only priests and be bishops and priest is a male position. This is dictated by tradition and religious doctrine but nuns can lead orders of nuns which is a pretty powerful position. It's not the Catholic Church that said so it was god.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

So sexism is OK as long as God has decreed it, whether it was Gods idea or not it still makes the Catholic Church sexist. Also you were saying the sexism involved in Islam is bad but that was Gods idea as well so that should be OK as well or is God only right when he's on your side.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

You cannot seriously be saying the sexism in the Catholic Church is the same as Muslim sexism. In the Catholic Church we don't exicute women for being raped or driving a car or talking to a man she isn't married to or being out in public without a male escort or haveing a job or being educated. Your comparing a garden snake with a rattler yeah sure they are both snakes but only one kills people.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

You've totally missed the point your saying sexism is ok in the Catholic Church because God said it was, according to Sharia holy law God told Muslims sexism was ok just their version is a bit more extreme but by your rules must be ok because God said so. I know you dont want to believe this but what you describe isn't as widespread as you think, I actually know some Muslim Women most of whom work.Instead of just believing the stories the press try to scare us with go out meet some Muslims learn about their faith you'll find most of them are nice civilized people.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

I said it was due largely to tradition. God said only men can be priests he did not say being raped warrant the fucking death penalty. So yes it's fucking different.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Again ignore arguments that dont suit you or I assume you cant answer and become abusive nice. So what your saying is as long as its tradition and God says its ok then sexism is fine that goes along with what Sharia law states about Women its harsh but its tradition and God says its ok i'd have thought you'd understand that.Also did you see my point about the Muslim women I know most of whom are Doctors, Lawyers and Dentists, educated proffesional women who go to the Mosque and have never been threatened because the majority of modern Muslims dont believe in killing women. Remember these are women who might one day be called on to save your life, defend you in court or fix your teeth, the irony of that is beautiful.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Well thank god those women live here and not in some back ass word Muslim theocracy. Gotta love the tolerant Christian west.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

They live in the UK a multicultural country some people still like you judge others based on colour of skin, religion and sexuality but thankfully people like that are becoming a minority.I think their freedoms owe more to multiculturalism than Christianity, when Christianity was more of a driving force in the UK there was more Racism, Religous Intolerance and Homophobia, probably all that peace and love you keep banging on about.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

I don't judge anyone based on skin color. And multiculturalism is not a good idea allowing people to segregate them selves into little ethnic bubbles encourages racism I don't know mabey it's different for you guys over in the UK but hear in the states it's caused some problems let me tell you I have meet some really racist Latinos in my time because they where born and rased here but in one of these ethnic bubbles and they where tought that they were Mexican first and that all this land was stolen from Mexico and white people were racist and an occupieing army. Yeah it's not a good thing over hear. Christianity how ever has caused no such problems here in the US the most religiously divers nation on earth.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with segregating people although people will tend to live in their own communities but in the UK people seem to see beyond the race or religion a lot of the time and get on with each other. Its not perfect and there are still bigots but it doesn't seem as bad as it used to.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Yeah that's real great for you guys but over hear Latinos (and I'm only using them as an example because they are the most like this) not all Latinos but a lot along the border states think wanting an end to illegal imagination makes you racist and think their culture is superior to all others and that they are the native people of this continent and all white people are "illegal" and should leave. I'm not kidding I hade a guy say this to my face. Go to youtube look up Aztlan. Racist mother fuckers. However those Latinos who assimilate into American culture often have no such prejudices. Uniculturalism leads to greater unity and less hate. Less factions= less fighting.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Uniculturism is probably how I see Multiculturalism, I look along the lines of yeah we're different but we're still people no reason to hate, Uniculturalism/Multiculturalism give it a name I think we're both thinking along the same lines is a nice idea the problem is there are still too many people in the world who look for the differences between us and use that as an excuse to fuel their prejudices he Race, Religion, Sexuality, Clothes or whatever, until that is sorted out the human race will never be truly united.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Yeah the idea behind uniculturalism is everyone adopts a certain culture and we remove as many differences between different ethnisitys and races. So there would be no African American, Mexican American,ect their is only American. So since we are all just American why hate.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

I know this is a very simple view but the only problem I can see is that everyone who settles in say America has to abandon all their heritage and follow the American way, fair enough but how many people living in America today understand Native American culture?
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

The Indians and people who study them do. But we beat them we are the dominant power here now (yeah that's right Canada and Mexico I said it) and within our borders just follow the rule when in Rome do as the Romans do. Now what you do at home what music you listen to, what you eat, and what god you worship (if any) is entirely your business but when out in public you know when in Rome ;)
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

So if not Native American culture what truely American way should they follow? Imposing Christianity on people makes you no better than medieval church and fascists and imposing Atheism is basically what the Communists did. Multicultaralism is the only answer but try and educate people to accept different races and beliefs etc.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

By handling all cases (I won't even call them "allegations") of child molestation internally instead of calling police actually equipped to deal with the crimes, the church, Vatican and papacy adopted a dangerous holier-than-thou attitude that put the stability of innocent children as young as three in jeopardy due to their mere indifference. One of the main tenants of our Age of Reason is that any idea, no mater how much high esteem it is held in, may be criticized. The Catholic Church runs directly per contra to this; it is trying to promote the idea that its particular hypothesis is infallible and that its high-up members are somehow beyond human. A truly democratic system of government should aim to be as transparent as possible, and it is clear that the Church is fairly opaque. Anyway, the Church cannot truly be defined as being truly democratic in a strict sense of the word as a truly democratic system of government cannot discriminate against any of its members just because of who they are as doing so violates human rights and free expression. The Church has repeatedly shown bias against women and LGBT people and this seems unlikely to change even with Benedict XVI's resignation as the Pope is almost always selected from a elite group of cardinals all with the same ant-progressive views and candidates with controversial, progressive views who actually want change are usually kicked out. (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/02/11/analysis-a-pro-gay-catholic-church-leader-dont-get-your-popes-up/) And yes, the Vatican is a government-- in fact, it is one of the biggest governments in the world as it governs the approximately 1.1 billion Catholics. As Franz Kafka said, every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy, which is why any political system that is allowed to rule the roost for too long always ends up falling into an uncomfortable status quo.The fact is that the Catholic Church denies able women a role not out of any genuine concern about whether they can do the job but simply because they are women. that's a violation of the essential separation of church and state, textbook sexism and another reason why the Church shouldn't be tax exempt. As the Church is providing public services (schools and charities-- you said it yourself), it must abide by human rights regulation or cease to provide public services.The Borgias are a prime example of how religious leaders are human and not infallible.Even if you are only partly motivated by religion, you are still motivated by religion. Anyway, you can't just ignore that fact that hostility between Catholics and Protestants has existed ever since Luther's first reforms.The fact is that often throughout history the ones making the reforms have been the ones who broke free from Church dogma. Take Galileo, or Charles Darwin. We only know that our universe is heliocentric because he disobeyed the church, and Charles Darwin only revolutionized biology and our understanding of the world in general because he didn't listen to the religious creationist propaganda.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

I already explained why the church had no choice but to handle the child abuse allegations (I'll call them that) the way they did. And the church isn't sexist there are many powerful and influential nuns. As for you comments on its government fuck off I'm a US citizen my government is in DC (that is my government unfortunately). And yes the churches views on homosexuality are negative but fuck off that's none of your fucking business what my religion teaches your not catholic so what the fuck dose you bigoted ass know.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

I am not losing the battle and I have used facts to back up my points which you have not disproved
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

I'm talking about warrior, not you. Your argument's fine, if a bit one-sided.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Enough of your ignorance. I know you hate religion because you see yourself as being above it. Your simply trying to demonize the church to justify your hate and I will hear no more of it good day.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

You are making things up, not me. I hate religion because of all the people who are killed, given less rights and segregated in the name of God and because of religion. You never ask me why I hate religion but instead make up a bullshit excuse based on no evidence but just your opinion and a stereotype and then call me ignorant?
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

Just to clarify, you hate people whom use religion as a means of doing horrible things to people, not religion itself, correct? Because, if you hate religion, then you must also hate the sciences, mathematics, sociology and psychology because these things too have people within their respective communities that commit horrible acts as well. It's not just religious people whom do horrible things. Do you understand this logic?
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

well if its the killing and restriction of rights that has you pissed off then your attacking the wrong religion you want islam or are you too scared to attack them becouse unlike Christians muslems arent peacefull Atheist cowarde.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

I don't like Islam either and they are worse I agree, but you keep making up bullshit assumptions based on your imagination, I have debated against Islam but I know Christianity better as I have read the bible and just because I would rather be pissed on than shat on doesn't mean I am fine with getting pissed on, even if Islam didn't exist I would still be getting pissed on it really makes no difference.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

also many Muslims are peaceful like Malcolm X, Brother Ali and many more, what it says in the Quran is extremely wrong and immoral just like the bible, the Quran has more evidence though I must say, but I definitely prefer Christianity to Islam
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Allow me to quote you here:"I already explained why the church had no choice but to handle the child abuse allegations (I'll call them that) the way they did. And the church isn't sexist there are many powerful and influential nuns. As for you comments on its government fuck off I'm a US citizen my government is in DC (that is my government unfortunately). And yes the churches views on homosexuality are negative but fuck off that's none of your fucking business what my religion teaches your not catholic so what the fuck dose you bigoted ass know."I love how YOU'RE the one who launched into a swear-filled rant a few comment ago, and yet I'M the one who is "ignorant". You are a joke. Seriously, this is Mitchell and Webb material. This has stopped being debate and started being a circus. Doesn't your Bible tell you to let those without sin cast the first stone?I have done nothing but legitimately criticise your position throughout, and it is my every right to. Like it or not, rights exist in a hierarchy, and my right to free speech comes before your right" to not be offended. Scratch that, you don't have a right to not be offended. People are going to say thins that you don't agree with and you are going to have to suck it up. If you have a right to your religion then I must have a right to criticise it. Atheists are in the minority, and what use is free speech if the minority is not being protected? That is the very purpose of free speech. I'm not demonizing the church-- unlike you, I'm just not ignoring the crimes it has committed. It is sickening that an organization that is so obviously morally defunct thinks that it has the last word on morality. It's hypocritical that the Church thinks that it has the last word on sexuality considering how many young children it has left with very sore bottoms. The fact is that the Catholic Church is an earthly organization and thus is fallible. Even if it has a spiritual goal it is made up of humans with their own agenda. Separation of church and state means that an organization which is providing a public service cannot be allowed to discriminate against any of the members of the public it is serving. LGBT people have been discriminated against in the past and they have an immutable characteristic that sets them apart from the general public and therefore they are a minority groups and by discriminating against them the Catholic Church is committing a hate crime.You've lost the ability to argue your own point successfully? I guess I've already won. Hooray for me.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

oh buddy you dont know how wrong you are. if you would say that a religion cant exsist simply becouse you think it is commiting a hate crime you are a bigot. yes the catholic church looks down on homosexuality in the bible it says a man shal not lay with a man as he dose with a women its pritty clearly stated right there in black and white homosexuality bad pretty unmisstakable. so thats just the religion and their right to say that is protected by the first ammendment wich if i remember correctly you are a fan of are you not? or is that only when it applys to you and not those you dissagree with mister endhypocracy? check mate bitch.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Now you are lying for the sake of it. I have never, at any point in our discussion, said the the Catholic Church "should not exist". I have merely suggested that it should not be tax exempt and that it should have to follow the same laws that we follow, which is perfectly reasonable seeing as the Catholic Church is made up of humans with their own agendas. Freedom of religion works both ways-- if you have the right to a religion then I have the right to criticize it. The government cannot censor my right to criticize religion as that would be government being influenced by religion which is unconstitutional.The tragically ironic thing about the whole homophobia thing is that the Vatican and papacy are twisting the Bible's message. I don't see much "love your neighbor" in spreading homophobia and sexism and potentially making the AIDS crisis even worse. No document is static, as I said before. Without humanity to give it meaning, the Bible would be nothing more than a stack of words written by mortal men with their own biases and dogmas. Apparently the Catholic Church are willing to ignore these biblical laws:Lev 11:5 (http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Lev.%2011.2) But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you, 11 and they shall be abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest.Deu 22:11 (http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/22-11.htm)New International Version (©1984)Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.If they can ignore these biblical statements, then the only reason for them not ignoring the biblical laws on homosexuality and women is their own bigotry. Religion is an opinion like any other and holding an opinion for a long time doesn't make it fact no matter how hard you try. Your personal convictions are not going to trump scientific fact.As for the sexism, that's a matter of employment rights and not religious rights. The women were not part of the Catholic Church at the time and therefore by preventing them from being employed the Catholic Church is infringing upon freedom of religion. The freedom not to have a religion is one of if not the most important aspect of freedom of religion.Its ironic that you are accusing me of violating free speech to fit my own goals, and yet that's exactly what you're doing. If you support the right of the Church to have free speech, then you mush logically support my right to have free speech. And if I want to use that right to criticize the Church, what the heck?
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Still talking rubbish about the troubles in Northern Ireland the protestants did not start causing trouble when Northern Ireland was granted home rule, as I have already told you Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other in Northern Ireland for hundreds of years over who's version of Christianity is best and I know you like to think the IRA are a bunch of freedom fighters but thats bollocks their just a Catholic Terrorist organisation, they are as much a band of Freedom Fighters as Al Quaeeda are.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

i just know what i was tought. plus im never the one bringing it up.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

You were taught wrong you might not bring the subject up directly but your always going on about Islam and that it supports Terrorism and challenging people to name a Christian Terrorist organisation, when they name the IRA you don't like it
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

No I say there are more Muslim terrorist organizations than Christian. And it's true lets count the number of Christian terrorist organizations. IRA, RIRA, CIRA, LRA, orange volunteers.Now for Islam. Al Quida, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, PLF, PIJ, ANO, ASG, IG, ETA, HUM, Hizballah, PFLF, IMU, JEM, AAMB, AAA, AQIM, JI, AAI, LIFG,AQI, IJU,GICM, HUJI-B, Al Shabaab, KH, AQAP, HUJI, TTP, Jundallah, AOI, Indian mujahideen, JAT, AAB, HQN. Ill admit I got lazy withe the acronyms but to be fair I couldn't spell half those names anyway. Well lets count shall we? Final count Christianity: 5 terrorist organizations.Islam: 36 terrorist organizations http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/ 123085.htm
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: no it isn't

Check your history books the Native Americans did not start scalping the White Man did I think it was the Dutch that introduced it to America, Indian Hunters would get paid a certain amount for each scalp. The natives just copied what was being done to them.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

what history book are you reading? becouse indeins had been scalping their enimys befor the white man even got hear it was a way of showing off and gaining renown as a worrior.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

what history book are you reading? becaouse the indeins had been scalping enimies since before the whit man came along it was a form of trophy takeing.
Debate: Is Christianity a healthy thing to believe in?
Side: yes it is

You cannot really compare the slightly outlandish practices of Spanish Christianity with the modern version. Most religious figures no longer pillage the village.