azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Tacitus was born many years after "Jesus death" so he hear it from people who knew people who lived somewhere around where was someone who says that he met him...Also original work was lost and we have only a part of it "translated by Christian priest" original was "lost"
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

We still have other books. Prove them all wrong. I want to see you prove he didnt exist when scholars already agree that he did.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

We still have other books. Prove them all wrong. I want to see you prove he didn't exist when scholars already agree that he did.they have agreed without any evidence, there is no single line about him from time when he lived. Nothing, not even one. How is that possible for someone doing magic in middle of city?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

No no no. I am talking about him existing not his works. Dont drag this shit somewhere else. They agree with evidence. Thats the point of the books.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

No they agree with lack of evidence. If you ask for evidence you will never get any. They will not even reply to your emails, I've tried.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

The books are the sources of evidence. How many emails do you think they get? Like a shit ton. They have there evidence. You arent making a valid point.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/14282-the-young-lady-haalmah-who-is-now- pregnant-harah-will-bear-a-son-isaiah-714/
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

http://carm.org/isaiah-7-14-virgin
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

nice try but "bethulah" was the word used, not "aima". typical Creationist tactic, move problem somewhere else, they may not spot it ;)
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

If you look at the video I gave you link to... you would see how it is. The guy is naming sources so you can check it on your own.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I believe he truly did exist. People can doubt his works but I think he did indeed exist.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

I believe he truly did exist. People can doubt his works but I think he did indeed exist and it's so because?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

There's really no reason for or against it, is there?Sure there's evidence, and lack of evidence, but really, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", right?This is a very mundane claim. It's very likely there was a guy named Jesus or similar who wanted to change how things were done and he was killed for it.As far as magic goes, that's silly, but the guy himself probably existed, and if he didn't, there's really no way to know and no really really good reason to not believe.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Probably, we know Socrates existed though we have no written down accounts of him, only from what Plato wrote of him. But Jesus was just that, a philosopher of ethics and morals. No son of God. But I would have thought he did exist, minus the miracles and coming back from the dead.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

According to your logic, lack of evidce for Unicorns is actually evidnce for Unicrons :D
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

No, there is evidence Jesus existed, but no evidence he did any miracles. There are scriptures about him, many many scriptures and written accounts. But only word of mouth that he ever did any miracles, which I highly doubt, given there is no God.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

starting to think you're Nox0 in disguise. .
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Are all of your post some sort of strange off topic, or are you again talking talking to someone else????
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I apologize, as it turns out the IQ difference between you and Nox0 is considerable. You're actually quite intelligent. I'm glad to welcome you and share time with you here on create debate.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Paranoia? :D What if I'm standing right behind you? If you turn quick enough you may see my shadow :D
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

No, he is saying that we have writings about him, so it is possible for him to exist. What he is saying though, is that stories of unicorns might be evidence for unicorns.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

We can say that Gandalf from LOTR is a real person because we can read about him in various books.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Agreed, that is why I find it funny that people say that God exists because He is written in the Bible.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

He was the original hippie.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

What kind of nonsensical debate is this? Of course Jesus existed! And CrocoDuck where is your evidence that Jesus is a local myth?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I think that he may have existed, but people took his goodness a little out of proportion and called him the son of God.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

there are so many people choosing yes,so why is "no" winning?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I'm a Christian and I do believe that Jesus exists. I believe that the bible is the best evidence and although there are many arguments out there, I will still believe that Jesus is always with us,anywhere,anytime.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I believe Jesus did exist as there is sufficient records. I do not believe though that he was the son of god, nor do I believe in any of his miracles or that he was the son of god. Just some person who felt strongly about peace and acceptance!
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Yes Jesus exists; in the past, present and future. Unless they ban the name Jesus, then it's just the past and present.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Probably. We have that tarp of his right?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Did Socrates exist? Despite the claims of the biblical accounts; walking on water, healing, turning water into bread and wine, ECT. The question of this debate is asking: Did Jesus Exist? I would like to point on how obvious it is that Jesus existed as a physical person. Evidence? Let's not start with the bible. There are many accounts of various scholars, historians, written accounts of people claiming that they have seen Jesus himself, have heard someone seeing and speaking to Jesus, and/or have "known" Jesus to have existed. I care not to provide "links" as my "sources", these are well known facts; if you don't know how to research, then get off this debate site. And SO, the issue that many people have with Jesus existing in general, is that he was claimed to have done already aforementioned things, which upsets people because they do not want to accept nor believe that a man can walk on water, turn water into bread and wine, heal people, ECT. My question is, why? Why and how does it possibly bother a person that a man thousands of years ago, walked on water? What does a man walking on water do to you? Does it make you feel uncomfortable? Are you angry because that's "not possible"? Or how about Jesus apparently healing the blind? Why should a man apparently giving a born blind man, sight, bother you? If you were blind, wouldn't you want to have sight again? My point is simple.. Socrates existed and we "know" this through mainly the workings (writings) of Plato, some from Aristotle and other philosophers. The philosophies are of the "western philosophies" and are considered to be grounds for "ethos and morals" and an "overall insight to the world around us and how and why we interact with it", so-to-speak. Jesus existed and we "know" this through mainly the workings (writings) of David, Moses, Paul, and about 40-X amount other people; Jesus taught morals, ethos, and generally, "overall insight to the world around us and how and why we interact with it", so-to-speak. Obviously, there are many "books" that were written and were not part of the "bible" of today; there are many translations and variations of the same events, written differently via various languages and interpretations as years went on.There are writings, not in the bible, that do account for the existence of Jesus, of the man himself. And so finally to atheists and agnostics: Why bother trying to proclaim that Jesus never existed (when you know he did), and/or that the bible is false? What is your beef with it? Many of you atheists and agnostics seem to be bothered by the murder, rape, war ECT that is within the bible, and of life itself, so much that you seem to have raged war upon believers in general, due to the unfortunate aspects of life, and of the "bible".
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I'm muslim. However, I also believe that Jesus exists. of course, I don't have right to say that he is not God or his son. But, in our religion he is prophet. All muslims respect him...
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

No, he seem to be just collection of local myths. Bible is skipping about half of stories about him, stories where he flies over cities, having family, killing his fried, killing his teacher and many more.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Scholars agree that he existed though. Also I dont think he flew over cities. The killing stuff sure but flew over families? Also where did you hear about the killing stuff?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Most of those so called "scholars" are Christians, so they aren't really independent.Infancy Gospel of Thomas has some killing in it.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

No not at all. Non christian scholars agree as well and even non religious texts say he existed. No joke bro. The scholars that agreed were mostly non religious.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Watch that video, you would be surprised how many details you about "Jesus" you don't know ;)
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I am not a christian. I am just sure he existed. Why should I watch the video?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Maybe to see that the story about tricks doing carpenter has other side too?
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

He's talking about the books that were omitted from the bible... because they didn't make any sense. Not that it made much sense in the first place.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

Books that were written in the 4th century compared to the 1st century gospels.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Why are you disputing me? I said they were omitted because they didnt make any sense. Didn't matter the date.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I didnt mean to dispute, sorry. And I was explaining how the Bible was canonized, they were Canonized by date and most probability of being accurate.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

I don't think he exist as a son of god. If he ever exist, he is just a very nice regular person...and the bible is exaggerating too much about it.~The Bible and the Koran is just the same fraud book. Just that Koran is more into violence.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

There are records of a guy named Jesus, living in Nazareth, at the time. However, there is a pretty logical explanation. His mother Mary was part of a caravan. That means she was a slut. She got pregnant off of some random guy. The kid grew up to be a cult leader/ rip off artist, claiming to be "the son of god." Mary was down with that for her reputation so she went along with it.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

There are records of a guy named Jesus, living in Nazareth, at the time. His legend aside, you just said Jesus existed.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I said he AS A PERSON existed. But he's not the Jesus of the Bible, which portrays it differently from how it is.The debate is whether the Jesus OF THE BIBLE existed, and the answer is no he did not. The person the Bible calls Jesus isn't who he was. It's who you Christians want him to be.It's the same answer as the Salem Witch Trials. Were any of them witches? No, obviously not. But did the people who believed in witches get an answer from it to explain the Black Death and other diseases? Even some murders? Yes. And it's better to have some answer than no answer at all.So, technically what you're asking is correct but the question is the Jesus SPECIFICALLY OF THE BIBLE. He was not the Jesus of the Bible. That said, people want an answer to their depression or the meaning of life or whatever it may be. I think it's better to have a bad answer that science can't explain than to have no answer at all and have no solution right?But if you want to put it in technical terms, Jesus existed. If you want to put it in literal terms, defining Jesus as "the son of god," he did not.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

I'm not a Christian but I'm not trying to take away everything the Christians have that isn't bull crap.Jesus of Nazareth, was the Jesus of the Christian faith, he existed.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: Yes

"There are records of a guy named Jesus, living in Nazareth, at the time" Tell me where you found the records. Because the best record of that statement is the bible not some nonsensical book written by a man. The bible even has records on the family line of Jesus and famous people in the bible. Look at the book of Chronicles
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

There were several Roman historians in Jerusalem and Nazareth documenting political developments and various events. Not one had ever documented any of the events mentioned in the New Testament.
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

We have same amount of evidence for Jesus as we have for Hercules or Gandalf
Debate: Did Jesus exist?
Side: No

Even if he lived, he was a weirdo homeless guy you can see near any shopping center...
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

Vote his dumb ass out of the white house ;)
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: No, he had a different point

Because he pointed out the obvious? Or do you have Obama turrets again?
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

Obama turrets?Are those used to replace the drones that he used to illegally kill thousands of innocents?No?Oh.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I'm assuming you mean unmanned drones, and I had a mental image of Obama sitting behind a drone joystick in the Oval Office with a soda and some cheese puffs, having fun and gaming it up like he's scraping on Call of Duty or something. And I laughed. So thanks for that.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I have never been so pissed at Obama in my life! I can't believe he would say such a thing and alienate all of the hard working business owners out there. I think I understand the point he was trying to make, but he delivered it poorly, ad someone had to do the first thing to get everything else going. I think it is really wrong of him to make a statement like this.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: No, he had a different point

... any successful person who says they did it on their own is lying. They had parents, or a parent. They had teachers. Someone lent them money or hired them when they were young. Someone gave them a chance. So is the problem someone dares to point that out?Do you guys actually believe someone is magically born and never gets help from anyone every?Or is this just another bash Obama thing?Why on earth would anyone be offended by the truth?
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I'm a business owner and my parents were factory workers who had amazing work ethics but had no doors to open for me when it was time for me to create a business and try to be successful. Many business owners came from terrible odds to make it happen. Yes, this is a "bash Obama thing" because what he stated isn't the truth. He slammed all business owners as people who needed someone to give them a chance to make it. What a terrible message for young people who feel that all odds are against them if they don't have someone who gives them a chance?
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: No, he had a different point

Terrible odds is not equal to impossible number one. Your parents were factory workers. What if there had never been in place a minimum wage? What if factories were still allowed to own the local markets and homes and keep their workers in perpetual debt despite their work? What if there were no schools, or only private schools beyond the means of a factory worker? Thanks to society (of the time, less and less since the 80's) factory workers can raise children who have the knowledge and ambition to start a business. This is a product of society, that people have the audacity to think they can do more than their parents and make the world around them a better place.Pointing out that we are in this together, whether you are a business owner, a factory worker, a teacher, even if you inherited all your money, is not a horrible message, it's inspirational.The mindset that "I'm all alone," or "I did this by myself," or "I don't owe anyone anything," those are negative messages.It is only if one is living under the delusion that they are somehow through their lot in life "better" than those who did not start a business or did not get rich, does the message above become a negative one.The message is that, yes, in the U.S. you can start a business even if your parents don't have money, and we need to ensure those children of factory workers and others have the tools and education to do such. This requires that those who have made it put aside a small portion of their success for the next generation.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

There aren't many self-proclaimed Frank Grimeses in America today. People just don't do that. Very few informed, successful people categorically deny determinism to the point that they don't accept simple cause and effect. But the idea that self-sufficiency is good manifested as cries of "Bootstraps! Bootstraps!" and that no individual exists in a vacuum are not mutually exclusive, which the President seemed to be implying (or at least implying that he thought others disagreed with him about).
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: No, he had a different point

Apparently people do disagree, and vehemently. Apparently the right wing and libertarians believe they function in a bubble where they taught themselves, built the roads, and police the streets, buy their own goods infact from themselves, etc etc etc all on there own. And should any point out that this is not the case they get an angry barrage of off-subject replies and downvotes based on assumptions of... I don't know hidden coded messages from the manchurian kenyan socialist communist muslim dictator who went to a christian church but not the one they like.What he said was simple, correct, and straight forward. No implications.I feel I'm in a room of 6 year olds explaining that Santa isn't real.The debate subject, misquoted actually, is explaining to 6 year olds that you had your tax break for about a decade now, and it sure as fuck didn't trickle down, so the economy needs it. You're going to have to go back to the 90's tax rate.Which is actually still a tax cut. It only increases taxes (a fraction I might add) on money over 250k/ year. It's something like instead of $23,000 a week $21,900 a week.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

ApparentlyidttwmwytimI don't knowApparently not.No implications.Are you sure you know how communication works?I feel I'm in a room of 6 year olds explaining that Santa isn't real.If that feeling subsists, you should probably call a doctor.misquoted actuallyThe text of the OP isn't misquoted. The title line is a subjective paraphrasal, which is the point of the thread. so the economy needs it.Mind sharing your projections for how well that's gonna work, Professor Science?
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

Because the point that one makes is often bigger than what is said. You're defending what he said. So am I, but i'm offending the reason behind what he's saying. The reason people are pissed is that we all know why he said that. It's part of a big government agenda. We're not dumb we know that you can't do everything on our own. But this is an issue of big Gov. vs. small. Are you going to tell me that isn't what this is about during these months?
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I do understand that he had a different point, but we who pay taxes are the ones who enabled the Government to be able to do the things like build the infrastructure to "help us".
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: No, he had a different point

We have the largest chasm between the rich and the poor in over 100 years. A huge deficit (which is a red herring), and half the country who things the red herring is the problem.Meanwhile kids growing up in middle and lower income families have less opportunity than you had or than I had because all we do is cut, cut, cut. We cut teachers, cut the workers from State and Federal jobs who happen to be those kids parents. We cut domestic projects. We cut science funding that could lead to more jobs.And we cut taxes.And what do you get? Predictably even more money flowing up.During this recession the very richest have become even richer even faster than any time in the history of the country. While everyone else has less opportunity.The Democratic idea is, okay, tax cuts didn't work. You guys have gotten even richer and everyone else has less, and people are deficit crazy. So do we cut more of the things that give more people opportunity? Or do we cut the tax break that the richest 1% has not used to create jobs.The choice is a simple one.So instead of $23,000/ week at the very poorest end of the tax increase, these few will now only make $21,900 per week, or something like that.And with that we can keep a whole shitload of teachers, firemen, police. And if Republicans don't filibuster (which they will) put some job programs in place to get more people to work, on things like repairing our infrastructure.... All that makes way too much sense. People get that. So quickly and expertly the right wing distracts from that by attacking the tone the message is delivered in. "Don't listen to what he said, just get offended! He's saying you suck or something." It's dumb. It also works on the right wing every single time. They not only get offended by the non-offensive thing. They get offended by any who explain it.
Debate: Did Obama really say successful people didn't do it on their own?
Side: Yes, he is an idiot

I don't think you understand some of the detrimental effects of government spending. Government spending may make the less fortunate even worse off. For example, when my Dad went to college for Computer Engineering, he only had to pay $600 a semester. I have to pay $20,000 a year for the SAME degree at the SAME college. The main reason for this is because of the government grants that are supposed to "help" you pay for college, but in reality they make it harder to pay for college because colleges raise the prices thinking, "Oh, they'll just get government grants, and we'll cash in." Don't believe me? Read Times magazine. They had a whole article explaining how government grants were the direct cause of a nearly 700% increase in college tuition in the last decade. So HA! Looks like your stupid government spending actually made things worse for the poor. But then again, you already proved you don't know jack about economics here when you were stupid enough to say that debt doesn't matter. But then again, anyone delirious enough to defend Obama has something seriously wrong with his head.