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Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Religious belief is (often and largely) a consequence of indoctrination. But morality, gender, race, politic, etc. are also strongly correlated with upbringing, family, and culture. That's indoctrination too, unless you can identify some significant difference.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Religious belief is the result of Indoctrination. Definition of indoctrination....indoctrinationɪnˌdɒktrɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/nounthe process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically."I would never subject children to religious indoctrination"The big difference in indoctrination is one is not been thought how to think but what to think uncritically
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I know what indoctrination is. I'm asking why moral, political, etc. beliefs are not also indoctrinated given that they share the same strong correlates to familial and cultural socialization that are noted as evidence for religion being indoctrinated. Lack of criticality is requisite to that sort of correlation, otherwise I think we could reasonably expect considerably more variation (and that is the same presumption underpinning the argument about religion as indoctrination).
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

I stated......The big difference in indoctrination is one is not been thought how to think but what to think uncritically .........Indoctrination is unique as in one it is introduced to it from infancy and it's reinforced daily by family , schools and ones society , that's why it's so effective and why so many believe .Moral beliefs are also informed by ones religion and society which for a believer is religious .
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

None of that establishes that morality (or etc.) is not indoctrinated... Morality is introduced from infancy and reinforced daily by family, schools, and society. That's why it's so effective and why so many believe in it.That you actually acknowledge moral beliefs as being 'informed' by religion and society pretty much establishes the converse, actually, with 'informed' being just a softer term for indoctrination really...
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I did say .........Moral beliefs are also informed by ones religion and society which for a believer is religious .......As a child we were daily instructed in Catholic schools through the Cathecism , in lessons on morality
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Yes, but that still doesn't differentiate secular moral and political indoctrination from religious (moral) indoctrination. It just establishes that religion can be one instrument of moral indoctrination, which rather seems to suggest that morality isn't a choice either since it can be indoctrinated into people by your own admission.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

which rather seems to suggest that morality isn't a choice either since it can be indoctrinated into people by your own admission.It isn't a choice because it isn't objectively real. Morality is relative to culture and is basically just a word we invented to describe whether a certain behaviour is considered socially acceptable or not. About the only thing every culture agrees is morally wrong is the murder of other people, and even this gets thrown away the moment there is a war.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Moral beliefs are objectively real, even if their value content isn't. I do agree that it's culturally relative, though, and generally describes what you say it does. I don't think people even agree that it's wrong to murder people, because what actually constitutes murder varies widely (as with war, but hardly limited to it). We largely agree, though, it seems.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Moral beliefs are objectively real, even if their value content isn't.If you want to go down this road then all belief is objectively real, including belief in flying spaghetti monsters. This does not make flying spaghetti monsters objectively real.I do agree that it's culturally relative, though, and generally describes what you say it does.Awesome. When Antrim the Idiot accused us of being the same person, I assumed this would mean we would agree a lot.Peace.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

If you want to go down this road then all belief is objectively real, including belief in flying spaghetti monsters. This does not make flying spaghetti monsters objectively real.I agree. That's what I meant by the value content not necessarily being objectively real. Just because the belief exists as a matter of objective fact, that doesn't mean its contents are objective fact. That's as equally true of moral value as it is the FSM (may His noodley appendage touch us all). Awesome. When Antrim the Idiot accused us of being the same person, I assumed this would mean we would agree a lot.Haha, yeah... XD
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Religious indoctrination was part and parcel of daily life in Catholic society and yes Christian morality is certainly part of the indoctrination.Regarding political indoctrination we were not fed political theory and ideas from infancy onwards and certainly not on a daily basis , which is the opposite to how indoctrination is practiced.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I would argue that you were fed both moral and political theory. It just happened to be integrated with religious theory in this case, which obviated the need and opportunity for secular moral or political indoctrination.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I agreed with moral theory as it's part and parcel of the Christian teachings ; as I've said previously regarding political theory one is certainly not introduced to this in infancy and even then not on a daily basis ; religious indoctrination is unique in this sense as it's very success depends on it being used from infancy onwards .
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

This discussion isn't moving anywhere, and I can't think of anything to say that I haven't already. For some reason, my point isn't coming across and I've run out of ways to convey it. So I'm done on this for the time being.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I feel the very same , no offence intended but normally when people talk about indoctrination they haven't a clue what's it's like for one to go through Catholic indoctrination that I and the majority of my generation went through , if one went through this process one would know exactly what indoctrination meant . Yes , I'm done also
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Be advised that JACE AND QUANTUMHEAD are one of the same.The two of them together wouldn't make a half wit. The strategy is to introduce red herrings and straw man arguments which have the victims defending issues which never formed any part of their debate presentation.It's difficult to argue rationally against deranged multi-personality schizophrenics, especially when they skip their medication.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

I didn't know that , it seems every second person on here has an alternative account ; what is the point of that I wonder ?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Be advised that JACE AND QUANTUMHEAD are one of the same.This is absolutely not true. Assuming of course you mean that we are the same person.The rest of your post is a rabid personal attack and warrants no response.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

For religious belief to work it needs access to immature minds .Like you do to your kids with atheism?What about people who met and accepted certain religions only in adulthood.It include atheists, scientists at the end results of a research in an attempt to prove the opposite, etc.you see also. I am not the only one pointing out the level of your intelligence.Latest is Quantunhead, following justtruth, Amarel, Me, Bront, Nowasaint, etc. even a gang from last three years about your acclamation of mensa membership.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Like I do with my kids ? What do you base that on ? I didn't say all people ? Your stupidity was never in doubt ; regards getting a gang to attack me go ahead it's done all the time by bullies on here like you who cannot debate .You and others like the cowards you are have set up debates to attack me before so if you wish avoid debating again go and set another up .Regards membership of Mensa and various degrees you get very upset at anyone who professes to have a degree , whys that ? Your latest college exams I'm guessing had you fail miserably and you're looking for a target to vent your rage .Let's have a look at your idiocy in your own words where you claim women enjoy being raped .........1 pointRape no one likes are enjoys to be raped or the thoughts of being raped.Jeffrey says 👇👇👇Eh, erm...have you tapped the links?There are three more...even one where a girl after her first time of being raped, she goes out to dangerous places she suspects she will get raped at. She has encountered several more and been to the hospital severally but yet she keeps doing it. And now she says she needs help to stop.Hardcore masochistic.Incidentally your new best buddy Q thinks anyone that believes in Jesus is mentally ill ; you believe in Jesus don't you ? 😳
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

words where you claim women enjoy being raped .........Thanks for clearing that up that, i did not just say it but based it on facts of examples, and confessions.Incidentally your new best buddy Q thinks anyone that believes in Jesus is mentally ill ; you believe in Jesus don't you ? 😳Okay first he is no buddy of mine. We haven't even interacted before.Also, i pointed out his opinion on your intelligence so you know whenever i or anyone else speaks about your wits in that manner, it's nothing personal but just being honest about our individual analysis.I don't know his bases for that thing about jesus plus i don't even know if he said it(you're a habitual liar). If he did i still am not compelled to reply unless it is clearly directed to me.Your stupidity was never in doubt ; regards getting a gang to attack me go ahead it's done all the time by bullies on here like you who cannot debate .I have no influence on anyone CD neither has anyone on me.It just so happens our opinions about you has a common likeness and that makes it a company but an informal one since it wasn't planned or established.It came genuinely of no influence from the other.Regards membership of Mensa and various degrees you get very upset at anyone who professes to have a degree , whys that ?I have no interest in your degrees but when you bring it up, it is expected of you to prove it in how you make points and will buy you some respect without asking for it. But so far, over 3yrs on CD, it's very apparent your wits don't match up to the titles you tag yourself with and makes people wonder how you got there(earning a degree and mensa membership). So now it's one or the other; it's either you faking stupidity or you have been lying all these years.But why will you pretend to be stupid? if not then why have been lying?Your latest college exams I'm guessing had you fail miserably and you're looking for a target to vent your rage .If you've been to college and earned a degree as you claim you should know vacations can be as long as 3months. And exam results are not shared at students door steps.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

You based it on a bullshit theory of your own making .Ah , so you base it on his opinion but his opinion labels you mentally ill .Me a habitual liar ? This coming from a notorious liar who's claimed he's CEO , an owner of a record company , and has published papers on Evolution.... 😂😂You usually attempt to get a gang to back you up as you're a coward I didn't bring my degrees up you did in a previous with your little gang because you cannot debate .I do not look for respect from trash like you and your kind .My wits don't match up to my titles ? Last time that was posted up a sizeable amount of people disagreed with your assessment .Your stupidity is obvious your last debate where you foolishly posted up an absurd question on Evolution was ridiculed as you were by everyone ; the coward that you are had you fleeing without even attempting to defend yourself .So you've failed your exams ? I thought as much as how anyone like you can tie your shoelaces without help is beyond me .I see our newest member on here has you struggling when he asked you a couple of simple questions as usual you ran without even attempting an answer .Tell me this are you ever going to actually debate instead of running your fool mouth ?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

This is supposed to be a debate, not an exercise in attacking each other. If you want to make an actual argument that's fine, but you don't have to make it personal.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Mack Jeffrey always resorts to attack , if I'm publically attacked I give it back in equal measure
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I understand, my post was intended for jeffrey, as he started it.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

The normal tactic with Jeffrey is he posts a topic up as in his last one on Evolution, when his ' theories ' are totally rubbished he disappears and returns full of revenge .Be warned when you attack his position he posts a debate up attacking you in the hope of getting the bullies to back him up . Pity there wasn't a block feature on this site .
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Of course it isn't.Children are brainwashed by their parents, in their places of education and in many instances their peers, not to mention the condescending clergy.The laws of most countries, but in particular, Muslim nations are influenced to a greater or lesser extent by the superstitious mumbo jumbo of a nation's prevailing religion.The real problem occurs when people who cannot successfully make the transition from childhood to adulthood and are therefore unable to make a mature, dispassionate appraisal of what was forced into their naive heads as children becomes too high a % of the overall population.These religious bigots infest every aspect of a nation's everyday life and retard its progress by forming cliques which exist only to favour those of the same persuasion at the expense of 'non-believers' who are very often more capable than their religious countrymen and women.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

I will just have a Barley Pop and let you carry on LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Nothing beats an ice cold Barley Pop with a frothy head and condensation glistening on the glass.Think I'll visit the fridge and pull out a bottle of Isle of Arran Dark.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Although most theists were indoctrinated as youth, not all of them were. Do you think religious belief is a choice for those who become religious later in life but who were not raised to be?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Ah ha, the forum's grown up little parasitic leech asks yet another dumb question.In response I will ask a rhetorical question;- do you think you are capable of expressing an independent view point on any topic?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

You'll need better bait for me to rise to than that. I don't really need a substantive response from you at this point, as your reluctance to engage directly on the matter of consistency speaks for itself.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Some people are far more inclined to believe these sorts of things, especially if they are taught at a young age.I was raised to be Roman-Catholic, but my mom was never very strict about teaching me religion. In addition, I had the internet at my disposal and a love for questioning things. Over time I just fell off the religion wagon (mainly because I was upset god never spoke to me when I prayed. Later on I would realize there are better reasons to be an Atheist than that, at least.)If the environment supports and encourages the adoption of religion (and praising it to no end) it is highly likely children raised there will be religious. If the environment is more relaxed like the one I was raised where there is room for skepticism, then you get "Atheistic heathens" such as myself.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

I would argue no, and the article linked below (though it is biased) supports my argument. I say that people have no choice as to whether or not they accept a religious belief, because they have no choice in the brain that they are born with, or the environment they are raised in etc. ('Nature and nurture') It could be possible for people to gradually purposefully convince themselves of a religious belief, or lack thereof, but they wouldn't really have any good reason to do so without the belief in the first place, except for maybe social pressure.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

If you were born in a Muslim country you'll be conditioned to believe in the only ''TRUE FAITH;- Islam.If you are born in most western nations you'll be indoctrinated into the only ''TRUE FAITH'':-ChristianityIf you're born in the Indian sub continent you will be brainwashed into believing in the only ''TRUE FAITH'';HINDUISM, or the only ''TRUE FAITH'';- BUDDHISM, OR the only ''TRUE FAITH';-JAINISM OR the only ''TRUE FAITH'' SIKHISM''.A shortsighted dimwit could see from a mile off that the religious denomination of people is solely dependent on the where they are born and the predominate faith prevailing in their native land.Anyone who cannot see this glaring, self evident truth really does need psychiatric help as a matter of extreme urgency.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

This is equally true of moral, political, etc. beliefs. Do people also need psychiatric help for these things as a matter of extreme urgency?
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

In many cases personal ethics such as honesty, integrity and honour have to be taught and/or developed, preferably through example and guidance by parents as well as their mentors.It is often usual, not fait au acompli, but usual for children to follow their parents lead in such issues as politics and lifestyle choices and to adopt their moral code of practice.Your 'dispute' is off on a tangent and incompatible with my assertions. Your question is inconsequential and should have been worded along the lines of;- do people who do not recognize the above mentioned social norms in the societies in which they live need psychiatric help as a matter of extreme urgency?As the thread was on religion your misplaced question is irrelevant.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

My observation is pertinent. Reword the question to be more particular if you like, but those people do exist and if you're unwilling to regard them in equal fashion to their religious counterparts then your inconsistency belies your original rhetoric as the unreasonable bit of pretension it is. I suspect you don't want to bite the bullet and acknowledge the similarity, since you could simply have agreed and that would have been that. Instead you found a variety of ways to try and dismiss the observation without actually having to address its implications upon your observations of the religious.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

Once more you've missed the point by a mile.My point was that ''anyone who failed to see'' that religion is a consequence of being indoctrinated as a child, or in such cases as previously isolated groups as Inuits,( Eskimos) by their environment and establishment pressures ., needs to check in to a psychiatric clinic.My wholly legitimate assertion was that it is the people who fail to make this blatantly obvious judgment, and not the ''believers' themselves, who need psychiatric treatment.In your juvenile, thesaurus aided nonsense you, like the fool you are, misinterpreted my post and responded on the basis that I was referring to the 'believers' themselves.You cry that I didn't answer the red herrings you inappropriately placed into the topic which was presented for debate.Try to under stand that it is the thread which should be answered and not a potentially endless list of other categories.The problem is that you don't know what the hell you're asking.In your 'ram stam' to be aggressive you've missed the entire point' I repeat, it is the people who do not recognize that religion is the result of environmental pressures and conditions who need professional psychiatric help and not the bible thumps themselves. Whether or not the 'believers' need medical attention is, along with your misplaced list of social customs and practices, another issue.Do try to keep up fool, forget about the ''pretentious' adjectivesand present some coherent counterarguments of your own,if that's not an oxymoron.Dirty little parasites like you only serve to contaminate and lower the tone of forums such as this.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

Yes, I got your point after you clarified it. I misinterpreted the first time because I was being a bit lazy and inattentive. It happens. Get over yourself. You're not entitled to being perfectly understood and highly attended to all the time. As I observed already, the question appropriately rephrased applies. I also already explained the pertinence of my question in assessing the credibility of your original observations, so just reiterating that the question is off topic is non-responsive. So, the matter stands: do you think that people who fail to make the equally blatant and obvious judgement that morality and politic are a consequence of indoctrination also need urgent psychiatric care? It's a very simple question that would take far less time to answer (assuming you're consistent in your rationale) than you've spent evading the issue of consistency.The irony of you calling me aggressive when you're the one throwing a protracted tantrum rather seems to have escaped you...
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

A shortsighted dimwit could see from a mile off that the religious denomination of people is solely dependent on the where they are bornIf that were true there would be no American Muslims, no Iranian Jews and no Indian Christians. I'm afraid your failure to note this implies that you are in fact "a shortsighted dimwit". Substitute the word "solely" for "largely" and your conclusion becomes correct.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: No, because...

You've missed the entire point of the thread as only an idiot like you could.You're clearly incapable of engaging in reasoned debate and accepting the obvious so further discourse with you would amount to no more than frustrating futility. Have you tried yodeling up the canyon yet? Such a mindless pastime would suit you admirably.
Debate: Is religious belief a choice?
Side: Yes, because...

You've missed the entire point of the thread as only an idiot like you could.Lol. Why is it that when you prove a Republican wrong, instead of admitting they made a mistake, every time they make canned attacks accusing you of "misunderstanding them"? Had I actually misunderstood you, then you would have clarified when and where, instead of spitting out empty rhetoric like the stupid little boy you are.Have your tantrum somewhere else, you dimwitted cretin.