azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Just because you deem my argument invalid does not make it invalid. Are you even a person yet since your brain is not finished developing?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Your argument was a logical fallacy, an argument from emotion. Therefore invalid. Learn what a logical fallacy is, or choose not to and remain ignorant. Are you even a person yet since your brain is not finished developing?Straw man of my argument. It's abundantly clear that you do not care to debate me on my argument, but rather on a fictitious version that is clearly not my argument. When you want to debate my argument, at least address a point I actually wrote. Not some made up nonsense that you created to make me look stupid.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Hahahaha, I'm not the one making you look stupid! Got a mirror handy?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

I get tired of hearing women say it's my body, my choice.okay so you're a manWell after you become pregnant it's NO longer just your body, your choice. What about your baby's body and choiceI'm sorry but uhh..."my baby"'s body is INSIDE my body. Remember, my house my rules. in this case MEN don't have a house so they should shut up sit down and let the WOMEN figure this out.To those women that say it's my body, my choice, why is it fair you had a chance at life, but you refuse to afford your baby the same chance at life.To the men that want to give their input on my life...STFU. this baby was conceived out of RAPE, INCEST, or will KILL ME if i have it... just think if that baby is born. i will hate it. because it will be a constant reminder of the wrongs that were done to me. then abuse will start. and that baby would wish s/he were dead! is that anyway for a child to live?  but honestly all that shit you said is IMMEDIATELY shut down by the simple fact that you are a man and should not get to chose what happens with a woman's body Bottom line!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

What does that woman need to get pregnant, a man. Therefor a man has a right to say something about the woman aborting his child. Takes two to tango. Call me a butt hole all you want, but my job is to speak the Truth and try to punch holes in all this darkness. I would rather be called a butt hole than a coward, I call it how it is, murder is murder and when a woman has an abortion that is murder. I am a God pleaser not a man pleaser.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

What does that woman need to get pregnant, a man. Therefor a man has a right to say something about the woman aborting his child.Why should her Rapist get a say in it?I would rather be called a butt hole than a cowardAh but you are a cowardI call it how it is, murder is murder and when a woman has an abortion that is murder.How is abortion the unlawful killing of another person when it's a fetus and legal?I am a God pleaser not a man pleaser.Yeah definitely not a God pleaser for all you know abortion is gods will. You're more of a self pleaser.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Does the Bible say thou shall not kill? Abortion is murder, therefore against God.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

How is abortion the unlawful killing of another person when it's a fetus and legal?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

God's laws are HIGHER than mans, when He said thou shall not murder, then we need to listen to him. Not the justifications of man, using manipulation and words like fetus, tissue, blob to disguise what their actually doing, is killing a baby.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Again how is abortion the unlawful killing when it is legal? If god was against abortion wouldn't you think he would actually do something instead of sending his insane followers?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Slavery was once legal, just because it was doesn't make it right. This is a imperfect world, we have free will and clearly choose the wrong hand most of the time. When you don't follow Gods plan and design look how screwed up it can all get. My gosh murder is legal and it's happening at an alarming rate!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Murder is the unlawful killing...Abortion is lawful.with malice aforethoughtNo malice in abortion participation.of another humanGenerally, the organism that is being aborted isn't human...Therefore, abortion is not murder.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Slavery was lawful, does that make it right? Abortionists ripping babies limbs apart, crushing their skulls and sucking them up through a vacuum isn't malice?If when two people have sex and a baby is formed by this, your're saying this organism isn't of human origin? Sounds like a bunch of ludicrous.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

To everyone that calls it a cell, blob, fetus, baby, once something starts to live and you willfully stop making it live. This means you killed it. I don't see how hard this is to understand, murder is murder, killing is killing.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

It's interesting that when a pregnant woman is murdered, no matter what stage the baby is at, if it perishes the murderer can be tried for a double murder. In that case, you tell me when life starts.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Touche! You just made a slam dunk, Jawkins, or even a 3-pointer! :)
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Great point. And that is only man's law. God's law is even higher than that. It seems so odd to me that the worth of human life is entirely subjective. Whatever the individuals involved in it value, that is the bottom line. But that is, again, their viewpoint alone. They are playing God with something they have no right to do that with.If you don't want to get pregnant, the time not to is BEFORE conception. Afterward, shoulder your responsibility and don't add murder to your list of sins all of us have..
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Really like this point, I call it manning up, in the woman's case womanning up, if you do an action own up to it and shoulder your responsibility. Don't go hide behind a society that's saying it's o k to kill your very own flesh and blood. All the abortion system cares about is MONEY, and they couldn't care less about you or the pain your'e going to experience for the rest of your life. Think about all the birthdays, Christmases, camping trips, sleep overs, ect. Gone because you chose to kill your child, how sickening truly this is. PLEASE wake up people this is MURDER we are talking about!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Great point. however these kind of laws are highly selective. Tobacco is one of the more powerful aborticides, yet I am unware of any that pregnant women who smoke having been charged with manslaughter. By the way should an unborn child be counted in the census ?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Census goes by people that have a social security card and birth certificate. Those aren't required to grant life!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

This is because you have to assume the mother wanted to keep the baby. Also, this is more prejudice against murderers (which is ok in my opinion). While this is fun anecdote you can't compare the two. No body is going to argue against this "technical mistake". Prosecutors call this murder to bolster their case, but technically, it's not.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Oh my gosh awesome! That is just another example of the contradiction of abortion.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Thats a good point. very good im actluy surprised at the argument thumbs up for that...but my counter is that that family was expecting a baby( even if they were thinking about abortion the law doesnt go that deep into you life so it doesnt matter) so in that situation Yes, it is double murder One life and one potential life.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Abortion proves not only bad for the woman's mental health, but also our society's mental health. when an abortion effects the state of the women's mental health, that in fact is going to effect the mental health of our society due to the number of abortions done each year. Think how many mentally unhealthy women we have in our society due to abortion. This will in fact spread to others that know them, come into contact with them and basically making us pretty mentally unhealthy society. So there proves another reason why it's not just the baby that suffers, it shows plenty others suffer after an abortion as well.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

The day after conception? Okay. The day before due? Wrong.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Anytime after sex and pregnancy confirmation, it is wrong and it is murder.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Who are you?And... I'm not wild about it... but in the case of rape or the life of the mother I'm okay with it if it's done very early on, like only in the first trimester-ish.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Just trying to be a light in all this darkness. Murder is murder, no matter at the very beginning or the very end. When the abortion is done, does not change the fact that it is murder.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Just trying to be a light in all this darknessOh good grief! You should either be a preacher or a politician...And, sometimes murder is necessary.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

haha I have been told I should be a preacher, politician no, they lie to much. Lying is not my cup of tea. Yes I agree with murder being o k with the occasion to be self defense. However when murdering the innocent, that is not o k.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

So what about when doctors take patients off life support...they were at the end of their life...and the doctors ended it...murder is murder right...WRONG
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

I agree with you on that point because yours makes sense. you should talk to the rest of the people on your side because their thinking of automaticly acusing the women of wrong doing is bull shit
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

abortion is wrong because you are taking away someones life and maybe that person could become sucssesful. also it's bad because you are acctually mrdering someone plus i dont think anyone in this life wants to get murderd but it's okay for the baby in ur stomach to ? i dont think that is right.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Ladies Motherhood starts at conception, it is your job to protect that precious baby growing inside you. Be strong when society treats you different, be strong when the man decides to leave, be strong when everyone else tells you to have the abortion. Listen to your conscience stand up and become the mother God intended you to be. Ladies, chose LIFE.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Jaw, first on behalf of the Ladies, i would like to thank you. you should delete all of your other arguments because this one is the one that makes me think hmmm maybe he's not an ass hole. but anyways.Ladies Motherhood starts at conception, it is your job to protect that precious baby growing inside you.What if i don't want my job? it sounds harsh but just think if im willing to have an abortion for WHATEVR reason i obvoiusly dont think it to be that precious now do it?Be strong when society treats you differenti do belive that society will treat me like im a frigin hero since ya know i didn't get an abortion (i know that that is not the case because nobody cares if i have an abortion. they say they do but nobody would ever know it was me that got one) be strong when the man decides to leaveFuck him im a strong independent black woman that dont need no man! haha jk (i mean i am but yeah)
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

We dehumanized the jews, we dehumanized the blacks, we dehumanized women and now we dehumanize the unborn. I wonder who's next...The right to life is the most absolute fundamental good we have. Throughout history we've kept trying to justify the oppression and killing of other human beings by coming up with arbitrary criteria that excludes them from the right to life. Right now, that criteria is essentially the level of development.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Throughout history we've kept trying to justify the oppression and killing of other human beings by coming up with arbitrary criteria that excludes them from the right to life.The arbitrary criteria throughout history are one thing, right now it's something different. It is no longer arbitrary. I believe the fetus is a person when the brain finally becomes sufficiently "wired" if you will, at roughly ~25 weeks.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

The fetus is a separate person at conception, and as long as it keeps on growing with life in it.The woman is not going to give birth to anything else but a human being. Not a puppy, not a kitten, a human being.It is not arbitrary, that is a fact.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

The fetus is a separate person at conception, and as long as it keeps on growing with life in it.No it's not. The fetus, up until roughly week 24, is not a person. It lacks all qualities of person hood. Those being:ConsciousnessReasoningSelf motivated activityCapacity to communicate, by whatever meansPresence of self concepts/self awarenessThe woman is not going to give birth to anything else but a human being. Not a puppy, not a kitten, a human being.It is not arbitrary, that is a fact.The woman, if she waits 9 months, will give birth to a human being. Sometime between then and 9 months (usually around 23-24 weeks in my opinion) it becomes a human being. Until then it is just a fetus with human DNA. It lacks all qualities of person hood up until roughly week 23-24.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

What does ''sufficiently wired'' actually mean? And why 25 weeks? Why not 25 weeks and 4 hours? Or 26 weeks? Accuracy is paramount here because inaccuracy may result in the death of your person.By attributing the right to life to the functionality of a single organ cheapens and undermines the whole concept of this absolute right. I do not cease to be a human being simply because my brain is damaged, my brain dies or my brain gets removed or because my brain isn't developed enough. I may cease being a person, but to me personhood is irrelevant and yet another arbitrary criteria.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

What does ''sufficiently wired'' actually mean? And why 25 weeks? Why not 25 weeks and 4 hours? Or 26 weeks? Accuracy is paramount here because inaccuracy may result in the death of your person.You're being unnecessarily technical with this "why not 25 weeks and 4 hours" stuff. The basis of my argument is on the qualities of person hood. A human fetus needs to meet just one of these. They are as follows:ConsciousnessReasoningSelf motivated activityCapacity to communicate, by whatever meansPresence of self concepts/self awarenessAs for the "why 25 weeks", it was an estimation on my part since I didn't feel like googling the page. This is what I meant by the brain becoming "wired". Here is a quote:'From the twenty-second week to the twenty-fourth week, connections start to be established between the cortex and the thalamus, the part of the brain that translates thoughts into nervous-system commands. Fetal consciousness seems physically “impossible” before these connections form.' (Easterbrook G., Abortion and Brain Waves)By attributing the right to life to the functionality of a single organ cheapens and undermines the whole concept of this absolute right.Everything you are, is that single organ, the brain. You don't exist in your heart, not in your bicep, not in your fingernail. You exist in your brain, because of your brain. This is not "cheapening" of the concept of person hood and life. I do not cease to be a human being simply because my brain is damaged, my brain dies or my brain gets removed or because my brain isn't developed enoughDamaged, of course not. Brain dies? Yes, you stop being a person. Brain gets removed? Well, in most if not all cases, that equals brain death, so yes you cease being a person. Brain being underdeveloped? As in mentally retarded? You're still a person.  I may cease being a person, but to me personhood is irrelevant and yet another arbitrary criteria.Person hood is the entire issue at hand. If it is not a person, how is it "murder" ?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

A human fetus needs to meet just one of these. They are as follows:ConsciousnessReasoningSelf motivated activityCapacity to communicate, by whatever meansPresence of self concepts/self awarenessConsciousness is the prerequisite for all the other personhood characteristics - reasoning presupposes a conscious agent ; self-motivated activity presupposes intent, therefore consciousness ; the capacity to communicate also presupposes intent, therefore consciousness. Any sound or gesture I make without the intent of communication is just that - a random sound or a random gesture with no meaning attached to it. ; Self-awareness also entails a consious agent and the presence of self concepts is an abstract philosophical idea that won't be present in newly borns, let alone fetuses and especially unconscious agents.It would appear that consciousness is the only characteristic that actually matters. If the right to life is primarily attached to the functionality of my consciousness, the issue is rather simple - When I'm conscious, I have a right to life. When I'm unconscious, I do not have a right to life.The only time I can be considered a person is when I'm fully awake and conscious. When I'm asleep, drugged or in a coma, I'm unconscious, therefore I'm not a person, therefore I no longer possess the rights attached to consciousness until I regain consciousness. This is the result of attaching conditional clauses to the right to life.Since consciousness is an inherent quality (I either have it or I don't) - it needs to be defined in the present. Not in the past, not in the future. Just because I used to have consciousness - that doesn't mean that I have consciousness now. Parallelly, just because I will have consciousness in the future - that doesn't mean I have consciousness now. Therefore, the personhood criteria does exclude sleeping people, comatose people and drugged people.Everything you are, is that single organ, the brain. You don't exist in your heart, not in your bicep, not in your fingernail. You exist in your brain, because of your brain. This is not "cheapening" of the concept of person hood and life.Yes, I as a person, exist in my brain. But I am more than a person. I'm a part of something objective that trancends my personhood - I'm a human being. My personhood can be taken from me, but not my humanity. And to me, humanity is what qualifies me for my inalienable rights, not something frail and easily destroyable - such as my person, which is nothing more than a physical product of my brain.I can stop being a person, but I cannot ever stop being a human being. This is why they're called Human Rights and not Person Rights - the former is objective and eternal, the latter is temporary and easily destroyable. Person hood is the entire issue at hand. If it is not a person, how is it "murder" ?The same way killing a sleeping human being is murder. Murder is the intentional termination of someone's life without their consent, right? Since we terminate the human being without their consent, isn't it murder by default?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Until one's frontal lobe has completed development, at age 25, one is not yet an adult. Until age 25, young people make irrational decisions. (They should definitely not vote). The way children are educated, being brainwashed by progressive propaganda, makes our society an exceedingly frightening and disturbing place. Most young folks are belligerent, arrogant, hateful, intolerant, rebellious anti-Christs with a sense of entitlement. Sadly, I am well-acquainted with such young people. To realize they will be the future leaders in our society is exceedingly sobering.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

You can not lump younger ages like you are accurately. I see no reason why young people, if educated adequately (which you'll find is a few of us on Createdebate), should not vote in elections and things of the country.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Consider how 80% of 18-24 years olds voted for Obama. It is proof positive of the progressive brainwashing that takes place in our public institutions of lower learning. That coupled with their frontal lobes being under-developed, their lack of experience, knowledge and wisdom, their deficient education, their lack of suffering, their narcissism, their pride, their sense of entitlement, their rebelliousness, their ridiculous worship of Che, marijuana, booze, Hollywood, the pop music industry, pornography, promiscuity, fashion, etc. makes them unequipped to vote responsibly. Our anti-Jesus society has robbed them of necessary skills to serve others instead of themselves, and ensures they will act as know-it-alls with all the answers but none of the problems, when they are barely out of diapers.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Until one's frontal lobe has completed development, at age 25, one is not yet an adult. Until age 25, young people make irrational decisions.Is this your attempt to make my opinion invalid or irrelevant? Call it an ad hominem. "Because you are too young, your opinion doesn't matter".
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Someone who has an abortion is either immature, selfish, uneducated or just plain cruel. It's like drinking, they want to drink but not deal with the hangover. They want to have sex and not deal with the baby that comes with sex. How selfish of someone to want to kill their own son/daughter. There are many disputes on which when the baby is actually a baby. That is not the point, the point is, when you have sex and get pregnant a child will come from that. Do yourself a favor and really think out the consequences of an abortion before blindly doing it. If you don't want the responsibility then give the baby up for adoption, that is what you owe your child. The right to life, make a stand for those that can't yet stand up for themselves.