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Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

A general populationwide risk is not a reason for a surgical procedure- being in a specific risk category MAY be. Your note regarding a proactive mastectomy is actually quite relevant here- A woman at great risk for breast cancer has a proactive mastectomy. But ALL women have some risk of breast cancer, and double mastectomies are not the norm. We aren't talking about spaying particularly at-risk female dogs here; we're talking about spaying all female dogs because there is a general risk. Not valid, as far as I'm concerned. Same deal with testicular cancer- and a vasectomy does NOTHING to reduce the risk of testicular cancer, and some data suggests it may actually increase the risk.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Every unspayed female dog is at 25% risk, while typically 20% risk of breast cancer is enough for prophylactic treatment in women (Cancer Research Society), so while pyometria is a general risk, it's a highly likely general risk...As for testicular cancer, removing the testicles definitely reduces the risk of testicular cancer, and it can lower the risk of prostate cancer.http://www.webvet.com/main/2010/11/03/testicular-cancer http://www.vetinfo.com/testicular-tumors-in-dogs.html http://www.merckmanuals.com/pethealth/special subjects/cancerandtumors/reducingtheriskof_cancer.html?qt=testicular%20cancer&alt=sh
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

it is wrong. either way. disease or no disease. !!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Proof ?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Do you have a source for your claim regarding the risk for unspayed female dogs? That level is nowhere close to anything I've observed among unspayed dogs, though admittedly that's not a statistically significant sample.Of course an orchiectomy would remove the risk of testicular cancer, but your claim was a vasectomy. Possibly was it just using the wrong term?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Sorry, I thought I had included the sources on pyometra. Both the ASPCA and VetLearn provide that statistic.http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/how-will-spaying-change-my-dog http://www.vetlearn.com/reference-desk/care-guide/pyometra You're right, it would be an orchiectomy in male humans. I had vasectomy in my head because I've been using it for comparison on how minor the surgery is. In dogs, castration does involve removing the testicles (not the penis as some believe), but it is a ridiculously minor surgery in the big scheme of things, taking about fifteen minutes to do, and the dog is back to normal typically by the end of the day.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

you must answer me my question sweetpice16 or I bann you. would you cut your own balls off for stupid reasons.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Well, I had a radical hysterectomy, so I'm gonna go with yes.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

what are you a woman or a man. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

What difference does my gender make in this debate? .
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

never mind but it doesn't matter about anything it still wrong. I would never do it. I may not be a breeder but I still buy and sell dogs I most of time sell a female and a male together to the same family.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I hope they get them fixed. And I hope you're being careful what kind of people the dogs come from and go to.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

don't be mad I make sure that each male comes with a contract saying that he can't be neutered. And I have them invite me over to there home before I give them my dogs. I also get my dogs most of the time at a good breeder that I know. But I most only sell them to old people are family that has kids.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Just because there is a risk at having something doesn't mean it's going to happen or means that you have to remove something.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I get what you're saying here. But where I grew up dog fences aren't really an option for a lot of people and having a dog is often times necessary. In the event of a population problem, your options become neutering Spot today, or shotgunning his kids tomorrow when they come after the chickens. In addition to my above argument, I think it's incorrect to hold animals as having rights in the sense that humans do. Humans may have certain obligations to their pets, but refraining from preventive medicine isn't one of them.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I have no issue with preventive medicine in general, but I do have an issue with unnecessary surgery for the owners convenience.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I don't like the idea of mutilate an animal's private parts when it can't consent to it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I agree. why is it so hard to watch your pet. I mean come on people it not hard. I mean crap it was not hard for me to watch a tiger.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Animals are not capable of consent. This is a human cognitive construct. Even if animals could consent, why should we care? What would compel us to override our naturally evolved self-species preference?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Animals are not capable of consent................Animals are capable of consent in there language. But they can learn other languages. Just like we learn other languages. I would care because to show that they would say no to being neutered.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

We are already debating this elsewhere and there was no need to intercept my attempt to engage with another debater on the matter. It is entirely redundant, and just as equally unsubstantiated as the last time you made it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

studys show that there is no real overpopulation of animals. there is only a overpopulation of a species. so the bigest species population would really be humans. so lets pick dog species. way are we neutering dogs when there species is not overpopulation. studys show there is 317,000,000 humans in america and there is 73,000,000 dogs in america so why are we neutering dogs? and there is 76,000,000 cats in america so why are we neutering cats? even add them together we humans are the real overpopulation. so why aren't we neutering humans?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

You falsely presume that the overpopulation argument in favor of neutering cats and dogs refers to natural environmental overpopulation. When the overpopulation argument is advanced in this context it is a human oriented perspective, and refers to a non-human animal population which exceeds our desired population limits for that species. Your argument is misdirected, and thus rendered ineffective.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Because you only view it as human but not animal I view it as both and really it doesn't matter if exceeds our desire because it's not about us.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Right, so this is an instance where grammar would be helpful. Even an approximation of English syntax would be nice, because I have no idea what you are saying.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Why is it wrong to neuter. Will if you look at it would you want someone chopping your dick off. And sure if your a woman that doesn't have a dick. Will still women do you want your boy dick cut off. I would not think so. so why is it ok to do it to a animal. I thought you loved your pet and you make it apart of your family. why would you cut off your sons dick do not want grand kids. or is it because your just to lazy to watch your pet. or is it because you don't care about him.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Neutering is not the same as chopping your --ick offAlso, not all people can afford to take care of puppies.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

yes it is neutering is apart off cuting apart of your dick off and all of your balls off.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

No. That's just one method.Also, you didn't respond to my other point. Some people have to neuter their dogs because they can't afford to take care of the puppies.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

will if you don't have money than you should not own the dog. And ok yes even if you have money to feed it but not for it to have puppies. then you should take care of the dog watch it 10 minutes a day why it go's out side. if you can't even do that get a fence than.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

What if you don't have the money to take care of puppies? What do you do then?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

what puppies. there would be no reason for that. if you watched your dog.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

People can't watch their dog 24/7
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

that why you don't leave them out side 24/7.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Neutering by itself isn't wrong. There are some pretty awful methods out there that I can't condone, but I don't think these are standard.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

what do you mean by Neutering by itself isn't wrong. what are you talking about.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Context. Neutering isn't inherently wrong .
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

it is wrong would you give up your stuff. I would not think so.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

If I were someones PET and I was in the habit of making babies that run in the streets, it may be right to neuter me.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

that why you don't let them run in the streets. anyone would know that.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

There are a lot of places where "not letting them run in the streets" means shooting them. The option becomes neutering a dog today, or shooting dogs later on.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

your being stupid about this. what you do is you go and get the dog. And not let it run in the streets in the first place. you don't have to neuter him. he should not pay just because you can't watch him.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to assume that you aren't from a farming community. A farm dog will watch your property and protect it as well. He can do this even when he is neutered. He can't do his job if he is kept in the house or in a fence.If he is not neutered, the population of pack dogs in the the near by woods will increase. Pack dogs are generally more dangerous to people than other animals because they often times lack the fear that keeps other animals away. Inevitably, pack dogs come into contact with people and they are shot.I would rather stick with neutering.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

I lived with my dad on a farm. put a collar on him or make a bigger fence. you should not have your dog fight other wild dogs. it something like dog fighting you should not do it. if you want protection yes fire some shots at them but it no reason that your dog should be risking his life after you neutered him. that is wrong. My dad has shotguns and he has kill bears that tryed to attack him. will they tryed anyway lol. but there are so many other ways to keep your dog from making babys there still is no reason to neuter him.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

What about cats, who wander where they may, causing stray cat problems and decimating songbird populations? Or working dogs, who by purpose must run free? Or someone who has more than one dog? How about horses, where neutering makes them less dangerous towards other horses/people(two stallions may fight to the death, and certainly until injury)?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

So that's why we take way there feelings because we are to lazy. There is no animal overpopulation but there is a human overpopulation and we just keep growing and blaming other species for being on there land that we build on for some stupid reason. Animals fight to the death because of are population size but a lot of people still don't realise that it's are fault.Why should the animals pay because of us?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Of course there are overpopulations of different species! The UK has many problems with cat overpopulation, giving an example for domestic animals. Stallions fight each other because it's in their nature. the stongest male gets the mares and gets to reproduce and pass his genes on. This is how it all works for animals. It's nothing to do with population. Castrating the colt will ensure him a longer and more peaceful life with more freedom to socialise with other horses. Spaying a female cat makes sure your house doesn't suddenly become a furry messy nest of hundreds of cats, and castrating a male likewise for other owners. For feral cats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat explains how much of a problem these can be. Feral cats are often a result of unexpected kittens, there also being a horror story of kittens being drowned in a ucket of water which I know is quite common in European culture, featured in famous novel series such as Heidi and the Discworld novels. Neutering causes these problems for pet owners to vanish.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

There is a human overpopulation and that causes people to think that other species populations are getting bigger but really it's just human that are.Yes it's in there nature to do that but at least they die with respect and not some neutered/spay house pet.Yes feelings and attracting other animals do sometimes causes problems with pet owners and that's why they need to watch them more and teach them more and not be lazy about it by removing there feelings. This is not about the good of humans but the good for other species.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Having a broken leg wouldn't be dieing with respect, it would be being put down by a vet. Over populations of animals are often caused by humans, for example the overpopulation of deer in the UK is caused by medieval peoples killing the wolves, their natural predators. I don't think you can control an animal's mating instict. It's true that there are some terribly inbred dogs out there that can't physically mate without 'help' (ew, wtf, what is the point in allowing these breeds to continue?), but most will just go at it... and have you ever tried teaching a cat anything? It's just not a practical solution. If you have a rabbit or some other pet you can cage keep away from others without denying them their freedom, sure, don't neuter them. I don't think sexual instinctss really matter, because neutering will allow annimals to experience deeper bonds that aren't linked to sex with other animals. And really... no-one wants or likes the dog that just humps everything.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Why are you keep viewing it as a human?They do that to you because that's what they like is the feel of sex and also you got to understand that he/she as feelings and you should not let them breed because of your so called "overpopulation " and that's why you get them a vasectomy so they can have those natural good feelings and also let those feelings into another mates.If they still die in pain that may hurt but it shows that he stand up and gave everything he had to live and that is respectful.It's not about some pet owner feelings but the pet feelings too and like you and I said it's human fault for overpopulation and less population and also population that we think is overpopulated but really not and the reason we think that is because it's the view of looking at it in human view thinking that pet species over reached are desire that we want them at.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I think a happy and long life is better than a short and violent one. Don't forget that humans keep animals for a purpose. We don't keep animals for their sake. We keep animals because they are useful to us. By castrating animals, we ensure their safety and our own safety. We can't teach animals to "use protection", you know! I could imagine that without castrating bullocks, for example, a pen of bullocks would be a hellish fighting ring. Without castrating one of the farm dogs, if puppies couldn't be sold or given away they may be given to an animal centre or worse, killed. Without castrating cats your average crazy cat woman wouldn't be able to move for cats. Without castrating horses, riding lessons would be all-mare. The animal can't speak out against it but I'm sure they'd prefer a peaceful life to a hormone driven, more violent one. It's ony chemicals, does it really matter?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

To a lot of people those feelings mean a lot to them and for some it means death with out those feelings. It doesn't matter what you have to go though with there feelings but you should never neuter them just because you don't want to put up with there problems. This can be similar to having a kid just because they have problems doesn't mean for you to neuter them. It would be good for all if we just vasectomy instead of neutering because I wouldn't want to be neutered or other beings wouldn't want to be neutered. The golden rule is treat others the way you want to be treated.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

These animals will never be driven by these hormones, unless they are catsrated late. It won't matter to them. I don't think you can understand these problems, or how it would be impossible to deal with them for most people. As I said, when cats weren't spayed kittens were drowned in buckets. Nowadays they are set free, which poses a problem to wildlife, making certain species of native birds vulnerable.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

You don't realize it doesn't matter what ago they are because you wouldn't do it to yourself so don't force anything to.It would matter to them other dogs would treat them different for it and anyway how would you even know what matters to them.So what if it makes birds vulnerable that's why we need to stop building into wild life and start giving up some of are land that we took from them.There would be no kittens if you just vasectomy the cats!It doesn't matter what you say it's wrong period because they can't consent to it or if they could they would say no to it.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

There really isn't that much different, person-to-person, so yes I probably woud drown the kittens myself for my motivations and mindset would have been the same. These would be that I couldn't afford to feed them when they were weaned, so I'd kill them before my children got too attatched to them. Other dogs would treat them different? Like, maybe, not attack them? My old dog Sweep, would find some way to escape and go missing for weeks if there was a bitch on heat before we had him castrated. Every time he escaped he would wind up at the local dog pound and we'd have to pay £40 to get him back, at a time when we could barely afford to pay household bills. Each time my mother said "Next time he does this, we're leaving him at the pound." Cats roam no-end. You'd need a really large area with no houses in, which just isn't practical. Not all cats, obviously. Some are kept for breeding.I don't see how neutering an animal is wrong. nature isn't perfect, so sometimes we must shape it to fit us.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

It is wrong because you would not do it to yourself or to a person and you need to realize that just because animals are not human that doesn't mean for you take advantage of them.I good rule is treat other the way you want to be treated.Yes, that's wrong for what she said it's like saying I don't want to put up with my sons or fathers feelings so I'm just going to take them away. Training is always necessary and it's your job if you want to keep him but if you don't than find a home that will not take away ones feelings because of problems.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

What my mother said wasn't wrong because we could barely afford to pay the dog pound. Sweep had been trained as a puppy, and there's not really that much more that could have been done. I don't see how feelings matter. They have nothing to do with quality of life and are of no importance to a domesticated animal. Of the pets I own, only my rabbits haven't been neutered because they are both female and easy to keep away from males. What good are their 'feelings' if they will never see a male rabbit, mainly because of the risk of a sudden increase in the population of our pets? Our horses are castrated so they can enjoy a social life with the rest of the herd without causing chaos, incest, pregnant fillies of the underage variety and maiming innocent walkers, who most likely will have children in tow. The barn cat was castrated because a female kitten moved in to my family's barn. You can't train animals to ignore base instincts such as reproductive urges.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Until we start doing it to homeless humans we shouldn't take advantage of other beings.The gold rule is treat others the way you want to be treated.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Homeless humans aren't breeding like crazy. Humans can have nowhere near the amount of children cats or dogs can have.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

Doesn't matter that's not there fault and people need to at least respect them and vasectomy instead of taking ones feelings away for are stupid fault. It's still happening and until we start taking care of are kind we should not take advantage of other beings.It's called forcing something to do something that it doesn't want and that's wrong.Things die but that's ok as long as they die with respect and not be treated like less.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

Then, O genius, suggest a solution other than castration that would manage the problems caused by the reproductive urges of animals. Perhaps complete and utter segregation of the two sexes? Killing unnecessary male cattle earlier (veal production)? Drowning kittens and puppies? Each one of these is much more cruel than castration.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: it is wrong

That why you need to look after them more and get them vasectomy.If you don't want to be neutered yourself than don't do it to anyone else.
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I don't think you understand. Would you say their freedom and social lives are less important than their genitalia?
Debate: is neutering/spaying wrong
Side: no it not wrong

I think the real question is, is it wrong to take away an animals ability to reproduce? For me the answer is no because it helps control the animal population (and besides, what would you do if you woke up to find your cat with a litter of kittens? Pet adoption agencies are already filled to the brim with pets needing homes).