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Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

No argument on the first part of your message. I was just trying to point out the differences. I also believe it was NOT the Founding Fathers intentions for us to have this so called "separation" as is interpreted today. That is just my opinion.But on the second part it is easy to argue that the Founding Fathers definitely supported the idea that men who aspire to Positions of Honor should definitely have a deep understating of the Judeo-Christian principles in order to lead FREE men.I have some letters in a book at home...I would be glad to provide some examples from it if you like.Looking forward to your response.PERIOD : _ )~
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"I also believe it was NOT the Founding Fathers intentions for us to have this so called 'separation' as is interpreted today. That is just my opinion"...which is fine, but it flies directly in the face of what the Founders actually said at the time. Look, a lot of these guys came over here for the main reason that they were tired of an oppressive govt. telling them how to live based on the teachings of a particular religion. Religion isn't based on fact...it's based on faith. We need a govt. that deals in facts, not faith."But on the second part it is easy to argue that the Founding Fathers definitely supported the idea that men who aspire to Positions of Honor should definitely have a deep understating of the Judeo-Christian principles in order to lead FREE men."Let's say that this was true (and I really doubt that it was given the makeup of the Founders)...I don't believe at all that one needs to believe in God (whether it's a Christian or Jewish God) to believe that the concepts of love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, turn the other cheek, etc., etc. are valid ideas to live by.The Founders were a lot smarter than many in our modern world give them credit for. Sure, they screwed up issues related to slavery and equal rights for women, Native Americans & non-property owners, but they were very smart in the way that they crafted the U.S. Constitution, which does not mention "God" once BTW.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

1. Actually I am pretty sure that the Founding Fathers were born in the Colonies. They did not come here from Europe. Also they considered themselves loyal British citizens and were driven to revolution based on a lack of representation in that government and not by religious reasons. But I do understand what you are trying to say about the original colonists.2. I did not say "believe in a god". I said "follow PRINCIPLES". So on this one you and I agree on some level? 3. I disagree that they screwed up on these issues. They were shrewd politicians and I think that they understood that there were some things that would be deal breakers such as slavery. That there would be NO Constitution if they tried to push that agenda. However they were the most amazing group of leaders the world has ever seen and they had the wisdom to craft a document that would sew the seeds of freedom that eventually accomplish the goals that you mentioned here.I am curious what you mean by screwing up on non-property owners. Are you referring to the idea that if you did not own property you could not vote?Could you elaborate for me please?Thanks for you time and effort man.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Actually I am pretty sure that the Founding Fathers were born in the Colonies."Tell that to Thomas Paine & Alexander Hamilton. In any event, some of the Founders were born in Colonial America, which was run (very harshly I might add) by the British from afar...hence the Revolution."Also they considered themselves loyal British citizens"LOL...I don't think they would have revolted if this were really true. If anything, the Loyalists considered themselves "loyal British citizens"...so much so that many of them moved to Canada (or elsewhere within the British Empire) after the Revolution."So on this one you and I agree on some level?"Maybe, but it's wrong to try & state that this country was founded on "Judeo-Christian values", since many of the Founders (especially some of the main ones like Jefferson & Franklin) didn't even believe in organized religion at all. Several of the Founders also considered themselves to basically be deists.One of the main founders of my old home state of RI is a great example of the way a lot of them (certainly not all of them) felt about religion. Roger Williams (who was born in England BTW) was a notable proponent of religious toleration and the separation of church & state. He, at the same time, was known to be one of the biggest pains in the butt to the people that were running MA at the time, and he felt that he held himself to a much higher standard of living in terms of how one should be a "man of God" in one's personal life. For both these reasons, he was exiled and ended up forming what we now know to be RI. He was able to separate civil matters from religious matters, even while he took religious matters very, very seriously, and he felt very strongly that people should be allowed to live their religious lives as they please & not be forced by anyone to do something religious that they didn't want to."I disagree that they screwed up on these issues."Whatever...the fact is that they got those issues wrong from the start. No man or woman is perfect, and I feel that it's wrong to deify the Founders as such."I am curious what you mean by screwing up on non-property owners. Are you referring to the idea that if you did not own property you could not vote?"Exactly.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

That may or may not be what it says by you need to check the history records~! V
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

That's bullshit, and you know it. You simply can't argue the irrefutable fact that the US was not set up as a Christian country. Here are some more sources, including an actual scan of the paper that the treaty was written on:http://nobeliefs.com/document.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripolihttp://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.htmlhttp://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html (mid-way down the page).http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ bar1796t.asp#art11 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

We are debating whether Obama is a full red communist or a full green capitalist.Not whether this country is Christian.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"We are debating whether Obama is a full red communist or a full green capitalist"...and you're losing."Not whether this country is Christian."Tell that to the people that are falsely arguing that the USA is a "Christian nation".
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

This nation was NOT founded on "One nation under God". It was founded on, in part, the separation of church & state, as stated quite eloquently by some of our key Founders at the time.The phrase "Under God" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance only in 1954...not 1776!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Obama is a full red communist. There's no question to it.I wonder why he won't admit it.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Obama is a full red communist. There's no question to it."You've given exactly ZERO evidence of this, period. BTW, the era of Red Herrings actually working is over...look into it.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

(With apologies to Vonnegut), doesn't everything socialist just make you want to throw up? Like public schools, health care for all, policemen, fire departments, public parks, Social Security, and unemployment benefits?Every time I hear this argument, I'm always amazed. Astounded, really. Don't you people realize that socialism is all around you?  Don't you realize that socialism does not lead to dead grandmas and Jesus crying crocodile tears and puppies being run through meat grinders?Do you even know what socialism is? I pay taxes that support public schools, yet have no children and have been out of public school for over 10 years. Is there a better example of socialism? I should be outraged, right?
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

ummm yes he is trying to give more power to the government and take it away from the people. socialism is the first step towrds communism and u know how that ends up... not good is how that ends up. throughout american history we have gone through recesions and have come out of them due to a great presidents work. Reagan lowered taxes. and didnt give more power to the government.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Reagan lowered taxes"...before he raised them, and he ended up blowing a HUGE hole in the federal budget as a result.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Obama does not have an ounce of capitalism in him.Whether you dimwits believe it or not he is in fact a full red communist.If he's not then give me proof he's a capitalist.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Calling people names does NOTHING to further your "arguments", period.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Marshall_Davis Here are just a few oh I forgot to mention his other Communist buddy Ayers.http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/dennis-byrne-barbershop/2009/10/bill-ayers-claims-he-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father.html I'm trying to help where theres smoke there fire.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Your first link is merely an opinion piece from the "conservative" AIM website. It proves nothing objectively.I've read the FMD Wiki entry, and I've already addressed it previously. There is ZERO evidence that Obama was "mentored" by this guy."Here are just a few oh I forgot to mention his other Communist buddy Ayers."Wow, a whole year has gone by & you guys are still talking about Ayers, who has been proven to have little to NO contact with Obama. Ayers has NOTHING to do with the current Obama administration, period.It's nice to know that there's neither any smoke NOR fire in your argument. Thanks! :)
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Yeah we are still talking about it. You hypocrite! If this was Bush you left nuts would still be talking about it and want his head on a silver platter. They still talk about Bush and he has been out of office for 10 months. You have your head stuck in the sand and you are in total denial. Do I need to go down the list of connections with Obama from his Reverend buddy for 20 years and then acted like this is not the man I knew Fucking BS. then his buddy who Gates in Boston who has Marxist ties and acted like an A hole and then Obama's whole reaction to that. It just keeps going and they are all from the same cloth. So don't just tell me that all of this is coincidence. Have you heard Obama read the dreams of my father that whole book is Racist. But how dare do I contest being a white man for I will be called one. There's a double standard right now and our freedoms and what I recognize our country to be at this time and how this fucked up admin is trying to change the whole complexion of what America is. 2012 he's done one hit wonder. You know I voted for him because he comes across nice and sounded like a Conservative blue dog near the end of the campaign but as soon as he got in you saw the real person and it doesn't sit well that's why the media and his polls are plummeting we got sold on something that is but it's not what we thought.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"You hypocrite!"Excuse me?? Seriously, leave your petty personal attacks at the door. I grow tired of them silly man..."They still talk about Bush and he has been out of office for 10 months"...and that's not a lot of time yanno...sheesh..."Do I need to go down the list of connections with Obama from his Reverend buddy for 20 years"No, since Obama never held ANY of his former pastor's controversial views, period. That was another red herring that the Right-wing & the press at the time tried to sell to the American people, and they didn't buy it, peirod!"then his buddy who Gates in Boston who has Marxist ties and acted like an A hole and then Obama's whole reaction to that."Obama's initial reaction was stupid to the Gates thing, but Gates isn't a Marxist, period."Have you heard Obama read the dreams of my father that whole book is Racist"...in your wild opinion that is."2012 he's done one hit wonder"...in your wildest dreams that is...lol...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

All you have to do is look at Obama's mentors and it's obvious that he has deep Marxist sentiment. Obama even has said that Frank Marshall Davis was his childhood mentor. He has even admitted that he attended and read communist literature and has friends that he admires who are communist. The evidence goes even deeper just google Frank Marshall Davis and Obama has ties to all of it. Almost no argument here.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

I don't know when it was a crime to read communist literature but if he did read it at least he was able to see a different view of the world. I'm assuming that since you make a big deal about someone reading a book about communism or with such tendencies that you have never read such a book. If that is so how can you actually understand communism if you've never tried to learn from the root of the idea and Form you Own opinion.why do so many conservatives etc... believe that who one associates with even if it was when they were young or for a short time, defines that person forever? I believe current actions by a person are a better way to define a person than the past associations.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Obama even has said that Frank Marshall Davis was his childhood mentor."Ummm, this guy was a friend of Obama's grandfather, period. He died in 1987 when Obama was only 26!"He has even admitted that he attended and read communist literature and has friends that he admires who are communist."Like who?? Let's see your "evidence"...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Dude are you really that naive? He has. Just type in the words Frank Marshall Davis. So he was 26 when he died Um-mm I think that is considered an adult and he would had plenty of time to have known him so why you put that up there makes no sense. Go look into it I think you really know but don't want to know. Why do you think he has had his records sealed? Mainly so that we cannot read anything he has written in college like his thesis which most believe is straight from Frank Marshall. I like the guy and i even voted for him but I don't like his far left policies as yesterday's voting reflected that. Evidence just the fact alone that he has gone through and sealed his records the only president ever I might add should raise a red flag. But his relationship is well documented with Frank Marshall Davis.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Just type in the words Frank Marshall Davis."I already had, and there's NOTHING to your ramblings about him, period."Go look into it I think you really know but don't want to know."LOL...keep dreaming..."Why do you think he has had his records sealed?"Who's records are "sealed"??"Evidence just the fact alone that he has gone through and sealed his records the only president ever I might add should raise a red flag."Ummmm, GWB sent most of his records from TX to his daddy's Presidential Library after he was selected by the Supreme Court in 2000 yanno. Learn some history my troubled friend...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Dude if you type his name in and you see nothing you are either the biggest bullshitter around or your are using a commodore 64 from the 1980's are F&*% kidding me. i just type his name in Frank Marshall Davis Google and there was 1.5 million references to him. Dumb ass Bush sent it off but he still made it public and thats why you even know about it. Dude i don't say this to many people but your lame ass.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Dude if you type his name in and you see nothing you"Did I ever say that?? Nope, that's a strawman argument."Dumb ass Bush sent it off but he still made it public"No, he really didn't. Sealed records mean that they are sealed from view my friend."Dude i don't say this to many people but your lame ass"...and you apparently don't know how to spell, but none of that furthers anyone's arguments here...so skip it...
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

The more I read your stuff the more I realize how completely clueless you are. You don't even know about him sealing his records? That is public knowledge that he did that. You can't pull anything up on Obama about anything that relates to his personal and background mainly his published college thesis. But you will probably come back and say that there's nothing out there that you can find. Are you for real or are you just like to raise cane for the hell of it? Like i said I put in Frank Marshall Davis and there is 1.5 million references to him so I don't know what your smoking.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"You don't even know about him sealing his records?"No, and you've provided absolutely ZERO evidence here that Obama has sealed ANY records at all!Once again, all you are apparently left with at the end of the day is silly personal attacks, which do nothing for your "arguments", period.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Everybody who does not see this must not know how hard it is to start a business and make a profit. Obama has not shown much of any support for the private sector which creates all of the jobs. I think that 2010 when the mid term elections hit it will be a rude awakening. People like Obama the man but they don't like his policies and that ripple is already being felt by the White House.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"Obama has not shown much of any support for the private sector which creates all of the jobs."Ummm, what about all the efforts that he's been dedicating to enhancing the green economy in the USA?? What about all the tax cuts in the stimulus bill for businesses??
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

OK so how many jobs has that created? just green tech alone is not going to help recover what we have lost. It's simple you don't put all of your eggs in one basket hoping that they will be OK and if something does then what, your fucked. Go learn something Most of the Stimulus went to government infrastructure oh and Acorn and you know what Acorn has done lately congress had to put an emergency order to stop from them receiving any of it because of their latest incidents.. There are no tax cuts for any private sector but only for green tech. look at the recent elections in Virgina how Conservatives took over it should be a sign that we are not impressed with big government taking over or the policies therof.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"OK so how many jobs has that created?"By the goverment's count, about 650,000 jobs."just green tech alone is not going to help recover what we have lost"...and no one has said that here or elsewhere, period. That's another strawman argument."It's simple you don't put all of your eggs in one basket hoping that they will be OK"...which is why many of us want more investment in real, alternative, renewable, infinite sources of energy, period."Most of the Stimulus went to government infrastructure"...you mean like roads & bridges & the like?? Sounds good to me!"and Acorn and you know what Acorn has done lately congress had to put an emergency order to stop from them receiving any of it because of their latest incidents."What does that have to do with anything?? You're just rambling now my friend..."There are no tax cuts for any private sector but only for green tech."Nonsense, go read some FACTS for a change!"look at the recent elections in Virgina how Conservatives took over it should be a sign that we are not impressed with big government taking over or the policies therof."Ummm, the idea that VA was ever a "liberal bastion" to begin with is silly on the face of it. I was personally surprised that Obama won states like that & IN & NC in 2008.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

give me one tax cut for small business that you know of in the Stimulus. Good luck at trying to find that one when you do get back to me.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

"give me one tax cut for small business that you know of in the Stimulus. Good luck at trying to find that one when you do get back to me."LOL...here ya go:-As of the end of August 2009, 19% of the stimulus had been outlaid or gone to American taxpayers or business in the form of tax reductions.http://www.slate.com/id/2232185/-Bonus depreciation: $5 billion to extend a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.-Money losing companies: $19.5 billion to allow companies, with revenue under $5 million, to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.Thanks for proving once & for all that you have ZERO facts to back up your wild rhetoric on these issues, period.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

I am surprised. I am new to this website and I didn't think that I could find socialists here. I was just about the only one at my last site. I will warn you however, sometimes I become rather Communistic. Anyway...I have no issue with sharing our countries prosperities with everyone within. That is Socialism. I think that everything should be free as long as we respectively give what we can.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Capitalism doesn't work. We figured that out the hard way.It's time for change. Open your eyes... Look into what socialism is and you may find that in practice it works. Look at Canada. They practically have to import their crime!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

OMG! You have to be kidding! Doesn't work? What do you think built this country to from basicaly farmers to be the greatest economic power on earth?It sure was not Lennin, Marx, Stalin , Mao, or any of the other socialist, marxist, or communist "Revolutionaries".Please name me one Socialist country that succeeded and before you start screaming China don't forget that the have been a huge user of capitalism wheather they want to call it that or not.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

Canada. Too bad the impact of this statement has been reduced by me having to write a minimum of 50 Characters.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

:)~:)~:)~:)~:)~:)~:)~...I see what you mean!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: non-Socialistic

No there's a non-argument is I've ever seen one. I hate when people do that. If you can't write 50 characters in favor of your own position, then skip it please.
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

EnglandCanadaJapanGermanyFranceSpainAustraliaSwedenFinlandGreenlandIcelandNorwayDenmarkKuwaitAndorraMonacoThere you are!
Debate: Obama and socialism
Side: Socialistic

Less of an argument here from me than a observation as I realize from your response that everyone has a different idea of successful.This is to my chagrin!I suppose I would call those countries a successes if by success you mean that they are still on the map.Looks like most of your list was either partly supported by a free country at one time or still is and almost certainly set free from domination by one. I feel that the fact that they are still on the map does not mean that they were or are successful.They all lack basic freedom from overbearing governmental interference in their personal lives.England is my favorite though! They are 11 months closer to total collapse than we are.