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Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

:)Also - why should we condemn them if they supposedly didn't even know the difference between good and evil yet?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Holy shit, where did this guy come from? His genius is staggering.What I can predict is that God probably tamed the animals to not fight or to not do thing to each other. I have a few questions to ask since you seem so well informed. We're there aquariums on the ark to hold the freshwater fish? Because without aquariums how do you explain the existence of freshwater fish like trout here in this post-flood world. They would certainly die when saltwater flooded the earth.The wood? Isn't it obvious? Trees? And it worked the ark they actually built a replica of it. Yeah where did they get that wood? Noah lived in the desert didn't he? That replica must be made out of desert-wood right? Where is it? Can you link a picture? I'd like to see if it has aquariums and if it is big enough to hold tens of millions of species of animals, fish, plants and insects. I'm sure it is though. It must have had quite an impressive climate control system to recreate tens of millions of unique habitats. I would really like to see that. I can point out that back when Adam and Eve were created the snakes has arms and legs but then once the serpent tempted Eve and then they sinned God said from now on you will crawl on your belly for the rest of your life and we have snakes crawl on their bellies.I have to say I'm quite impressed. I'm glad god took away their arms and legs. Those snakes were getting all uppity.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Are you asking me about the Holy Bible of fairy tales? Pick one. It is completely unfair to put it into one question implying that the holy bible is untrue without question. Which is funny because one who is mocking Christianity is usually an atheist who claims to rely on science. So tell me how scientific is it to assume Christianity to be false without question?? It's laughable how unscientific atheists tend to be when poking fun at Christians.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Tell me how scientific it is to assume Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc are fiction. It can be safely assumed that the stories in the bible are no more valid than the stories in the books I just referenced. They're quite loaded with physically impossible things, according to the current laws of physics. Oh and please don't try appealing to future evidence regarding the laws of physics. That would be a logical fallacy.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

"Tell me how scientific it is to assume Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc are fiction."That's not an assumption. We know J.K. Rowling is a person who admittedly wrote fiction as did Tolkien. We have their birth records. Comments on what inspired their writing etc. The bible however is inspired of God. Yes written by prophets who are men. So it's a different ballgame. But even if you don't believe that, it still doesn't make sense to directly compare the two ideas as you did.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

The idea I was referencing was the fact that the Bible was written by mortal humans. I apologize for exaggerating a bit and not being so clear. I do not doubt that the Bible was inspired by the idea of God, that doesn't mean God is real.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

It can be safely assumed that the stories in the bible are no more valid than the stories in the books I just referenced.Actually it can't be. The Bible matches up pretty accurately with archaeological findings from that period of time.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Actually it can't be. The Bible matches up pretty accurately with archaeological findings from that period of time.I don't know. I found some evidence to the contrary, regarding the Bible's supposed spectacular track record for being accurate. So I believe my initial statement still stands.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Even the website Troy8 linked is bullshit. Even though it is from a Christian website it does not support his claim. Allow me provide a few quotes from it. Although archaeology cannot prove that the Bible's accounts are true, it certainly does not disprove them,For much of the New Testament, we do not have any independent evidence one way or the other. Is there any specific archaeological evidence you'd like to point to? For instance, can you provide any evidence at all that the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt? Is there any evidence for the garden, or the Ark or anything that happened in the old testament that you'd like us to consider?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

If there really is a city of Troy would that make Greek mythology reality?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

No actually, we don't even need science in this case. We only need logic and freaking common sense. Also, atheists are extremely scientific when disproving christianity what the hell are you talking about? We don't even need science half the time. There's also logic, reason, common sense, historical fact, and lack of such for god. And rarely do we "poke fun". Mainly we give very detailed supported evidence that you either make excuses for or deny altogether. And actually it is fair to question the factuality of the bible as a whole. Historically and Scientifically it has been proven absolutely non factual. Save for a handfull of people and places.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

"No actually, we don't even need science in this case. We only need logic and freaking common sense."It's your common sense vs mine! This is exactly why we need science. "when disproving christianity"When? (; "We don't even need science half the time. There's also logic, reason, common sense, historical fact, and lack of such for god. "So we don't need science half the time because we have science? "And rarely do we "poke fun"."K big shot, you must be new to create debate, and that's fine but I'm sure you will observe what I am talking about. And I realize that you individually may not poke fun and I would applaud you for it.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I believe it to be true. It is not a fairy tale, but that's up to people to decide for themselves.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I believe it to be true.Why ?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Its not fairy tales. It is the word of the lord, acts of God. If you don't belive in this fine by me but you will not turn me if you try.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

If they help me become a better person, then yes.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

How does believing in a bunch of myths make you a better person?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

You're not believing in myths, you're believing in what you know is the truth.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Pick up a dictionary or do an internet search on your terminology. To know something is to have direct and certain cognitive knowledge based upon factuality. You do not believe what you "know" is truth; you believe what you believe is truth. You have faith, but you do not actually know.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

In your pursuit of perfect semantics, you seem to have lost the objective. Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make, no?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

No, I do not and I think the semantics are important. Your argument for why they are not myths is that you are "believing in what you know is the truth." However, if you do not actually know if it is the truth and only believe it, then you have done nothing to prove that the Bible is not a collection of myths because you have not given any actual reason beyond faith to believe it is true.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Again, read my last dispute to you. You're expecting something you're not going to get.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

I am asking for evidence, but not really expecting it. That was rather the point I was trying to make...
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Exactly. So why bother asking?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

A story can make you a better person even though it isn't true.Once there was boy who lied to his mother. Then he had to be punished, because he disobeyed his parents. His punishment was, that he would take care of the pigs in the pigpen. It was very gross in there, and he did not like this job.He begged his mother to let him go, he promised that he would never ever lie again.So the mother let him go, and since then the little boy never told another lie.What did we learn from that really boring story I just wrote? You shouldn't lie.Therefore you just made yourself a better person by reading a story which wasn't real.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

They create moral guidlenes for people to follow, they also encourage us to help one another and make a better society. Unlike the atheistic "Survival of the Fittest" which infers that you should do everything for yourself.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Religion offers moral guidelines the same way a dog school trains pets; through reward and punishment. If you're a good dog, you get the treat, if you're a bad dog, you get the whip; if you're a good Christian you get the heaven, if you're not a Christian you get the hell. The morals religion imparts are always imparted under threat of eternal punishment. So really this isn't sound morality so much as social conditioning. You don't abstain from lying, stealing, raping, and killing because you know these are shitty things to do to your fellow man, you abstain because you're afraid of the wrath of an intangible, supposedly divine entity. I would rather be surrounded by people who are genuinely good people, not people who have been frightened into being good by some imagined celestial thug. Would you be comfortable sitting next to someone on the bus if you knew the only thing holding that person back from immoral and potentially harmful actions were the voices in that someone's head?Also while it's true that some religious organizations do encourage helping one another to improve society, the idea of religion has done more to further separate the human race into "us" and "them." It has imposed another barrier, like culture, language, ethnicity, or nationality, only this barrier is completely unnecessary. Because of religion, you can be sure that people in the world hate you for your religious beliefs (even if you don't have any), because of their religious beliefs. So in this sense religion cultivates separation, segregation, competition and division in society as a whole, not makes society better. Also, if some of the fairy tales in the Bible had attached morals the way "The Tortise and the Hare" teaches "slow and steady wins the race," the Bible would teach some pretty fucked up shit. For example, the myth of the Tower of Babel teaches us that working together to achieve something great is a punishable insult to god. The story of the flood teaches us, "if at first you don't succeed, kill everyone and start over." The fable of the Plagues in Egypt teach that if you can't get someone to do what you want, hurt them and make them miserable and frightened until they do what you want.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

if you're a good Christian you get the heaven, if you're not a Christian you get the hell.NZ: Not quite. Not all good Christians will go to heaven. A whole lot of them will live on a cleansed earth forever. See Psalm 37:11, 29, Proverbs 2:21, Matthew 5:5. "The meek shall inherit the EARTH."Only a few among men are chosen for heaven. (Revelation 7:14; 14:1-4)Also, you don't go to hell as an eternal conscious pain process. Hell is the grave. People in graves are dead, and there is no thought or feeling or planning or anything going on when you're dead. (Ecclesiastes 9:5-10; Revelation 20:13, 14)
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

I was speaking in general terms. Either way it's a reward/punishment method involving threats and coersion, and that's what I dislike about it, not the specific semantics. Speaking of specifics, why all the verses about a lake of fire if Hell is really just the grave? If when our life force is snuffed out we are unable to think, feel, plan, or do anything, and this is your rational for asserting that Hell doesn't exist in the classical sense, how would anyone be able to get into heaven? It is, after all, a reward you can only reap by dying. For evidence of hell in the classical sense, as a place of physical, mental, and spiritual suffering, see the books of Mark, Luke, Jude, Revelations, Thessalonians, and, well, most of the NT.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

"Religion offers moral guidelines the same way a dog school trains pets; through reward and punishment. If you're a good dog, you get the treat, if you're a bad dog, you get the whip; if you're a good Christian you get the heaven, if you're not a Christian you get the hell."At least religion offers moral guidelines, as opposed to the evolutionary thinking that if you cannot survive alone or your existence doesn't benefit others you deserve to die."You don't abstain from lying, stealing, raping, and killing because you know these are shitty things to do to your fellow man, you abstain because you're afraid of the wrath of an intangible, supposedly divine entity." We also don't do those things because their bad things to do, if religion didn't tell us not to commit those acts where would we learn it from?"I would rather be surrounded by people who are genuinely good people, not people who have been frightened into being good by some imagined celestial thug."I think you'll find the teachings of Jesus, such as "Do unto others as you would have do unto you", don't threaten people with eternal damnation."Would you be comfortable sitting next to someone on the bus if you knew the only thing holding that person back from immoral and potentially harmful actions were the voices in that someone's head?"Would you rather sit next to someone on the bus who's thinking "the only thing stopping me mugging you is the law"." It has imposed another barrier, like culture, language, ethnicity, or nationality, only this barrier is completely unnecessary. Because of religion, you can be sure that people in the world hate you for your religious beliefs (even if you don't have any), because of their religious beliefs. So in this sense religion cultivates separation, segregation, competition and division in society as a whole, not makes society better."That's ridiculous, you're saying religion intentionally caused "separation, segregation, competition and division" because it makes people think something else to other people? Likewise I could say atheism causes separation, segregation, competition and division" for the same reasons. In fact atheists are worse because they feel a moral right to insult people with religious beliefs because they are "curing" them of "stupidity"."For example, the myth of the Tower of Babel teaches us that working together to achieve something great is a punishable insult to god."Tower of Babel teaches us humility, how do you know it was the whole population "working together" and not some megalomaniac of a dictator who saw himself as God? Either way, the real moral lesson of the Tower of Babel is dont idolise yourself."The story of the flood teaches us, "if at first you don't succeed, kill everyone and start over."The Great Flood says, only good people deserve to live (to put it bluntly)."The fable of the Plagues in Egypt teach that if you can't get someone to do what you want, hurt them and make them miserable and frightened until they do what you want."I think it's more of don't make people into slaves.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

A strange comparision, making a civilization speak different languages can hardly be compared to "a mob boss beating the shit out of one of his thugs".Perhaps not, but it's not like god impressed us with his powers of diplomacy or reason to get us to back off, he just kicked humanity down a rung. The Tower of Babel is the primitive myth to explain why there are so many different languages and cultures and people; if god is responsible for humanity's change from a unified people to the warring, clashing nations we are today, that's a major blow to human kind. And Babel aside, there are plenty of other instances where god shows us who is boss in a very brutal and fairly sinister way. I'm not going to quote hundreds of scriptures about God showing his love to humanity and all that because you should have seen them when you were picking out those previous scriptures.I'm sure you can find those scriptures. I'm equally certain I can find scriptures of an altogether more cruel, merciless god. Scripture is just a tool; more often than not it reads how you want it to read. You can find Biblical support for almost any idea, for almost any opinion. Because the Bible contains both of these elements, rage and love, vengeance and mercy, I conclude that gods love for us is similar to that of an abusive husbands love for his wife. There's clearly some connection or attachment, but it's perverted and twisted by violence and cruelty.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Congrats. You got me to post scripture to support my argument. I never do that. I loathe doing that, mainly because scripture is a tool to be interpreted and used as the whim of the reader, but I think the verses I chose were fairly unambiguous and to the point.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I tend not to include scripture in religious debates as most atheists would moan at me for it. But so far I've rather enjoyed arguing with you, as you're one of the few atheists whos arguments aren't based on "Christianity is stupid, ergo you are stupid, ergo I win".
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I don't really mind small, specific bits of scripture used to support theist/atheist arguments, it's when people post verse after verse to support their cliche notions of god that annoys me. And I enjoy debating you because you're one of the few theists whos arguments aren't based on "It's in the Bible so it must be true because the Bible is the word of God because it says so and the Bible is true because it's the word of god because... etc."
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

As if this person invented "survival of the fittest"?Nature's law of "survival of the fittest" applies to us all whether we like it or not. It is the way of the world that we live in and is neither 'good' or bad'.... like gravity. It also happens to be something that can be proven, unlike this silly book of fairly tales. There is a mountain of evidence to support "survival of the fittest" and not a shred of evidence that shows a magic man in the clouds made everything. You are more than welcome to believe it, but don't try to call yourself rational at the same time, don't pretend this is a logical conclusion. You have faith, and so you believe in unprovable stories that defy science and reason. That's how it works.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

"Nature's law of "survival of the fittest" applies to us all whether we like it or not. It is the way of the world that we live in and is neither 'good' or bad'.... like gravity."So if I kill my neighbour because his garden hedge "invades my territory" that's just nature and "is the way of the world that we live in and is neither 'good' or bad'.... like gravity"."It also happens to be something that can be proven, unlike this silly book of fairly tales. There is a mountain of evidence to support "survival of the fittest" and not a shred of evidence that shows a magic man in the clouds made everything."If so, why do you feel the need to insult the other side so much? It only goes to show how close-minded you are."You are more than welcome to believe it, but don't try to call yourself rational at the same time, don't pretend this is a logical conclusion. You have faith, and so you believe in unprovable stories that defy science and reason. That's how it works."Gravity, no-one can see it, no-one actually knows what it is. All we know is what it does, the only evidence for gravity is seeing what it causes. Are all the believers of "gravity" irrational as well?