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Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: theoretically good

I would say that communism as an ideal, and the emotions behind it, are good. However, not one country has been able to make it work, as man is a creature of habit. That habit is messing up. However, in theory it is a brilliant idea. Make sure everybody has enough. Share the wealth. Still, doubt it would ever work in my lifetime.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Communism rocks.People, though, suck.When you mix the two together, you have to have people who suck the least.If you don't, the communism will suck just as much as the people who suck.But then of course, by then, it's not communism. It's something that sucks.History shows us these things. If the memory of the Soviets wasn't still fresh in the Western mind, maybe we'd actually be able to move towards what communism was meant to be, but unfortunately, this is not so.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

I don't know too much about things like this in general. But from the little information I've gathered I see no harm in it. But if you're more educated than me, feel free to tell me otherwise. :)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: theoretically good

Its theoretically good but its never really been done 100%.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

If you are a commie, China and Cuba are communist, go see if they will take you. Then, you can live miserably along with them.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

They are communist in name only, a quick reading of the communist manifesto should make this clear, especially if you have read other works of Marx as well.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

I have read Communist Manifesto. Now, you should read POWER AND MARKET by Rothbard.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

You should reread it, because you apparently didn't understand it. Just be careful to not interject your expectations into it.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Only if you read Power and Market by Murray------------------------
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

You should reread it, because you apparently didn't understand it.Why is it that adherents to a particular philosophy always insist that those who fail to agree with their philosophy simply failed to understand it? Christians will say, "If you didn't understand the Bible, you should read it again," Darwinists will day: "If you don't understand Evolution after having read Darwin, reread Darwin," and so on. This is perhaps my greatest objection to the very notion of governmental power. In an anarchistic/Libertarian society, nothing would be either forced on people, or forced away from people. People - each and every one - would be free to choose the ideology of their choice; the government couldn't push ideology because there would be no government to do the pushing, "special interest groups" wouldn't have the power to lobby the government to ban books which they feel are in opposition to their beliefs, etc. What kind of society could be better than that? A society of slaves who are forced to give all of their income to their rulers, who will then redistribute 1% whilst keeping the remaining 99% in their ultra-bloated bank accounts?
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: theoretically good

In an anarchistic/Libertarian society, nothing would be either forced on people, or forced away from people. On the contrary, everything would be constantly forced on and away from basically anyone with less guns or if you are unlucky enough to be a child or woman, as there would be no laws in this imaginary world, this world that could never exist anyway due to human nature.A society of slaves who are forced to give all of their income to their rulers, who will then redistribute 1% whilst keeping the remaining 99% in their ultra-bloated bank accounts?Ironically according to everything in human nature this would be the exact outcome of any place that for a time fell into this anarchy you speak of.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

there would be no laws in this imaginary worldLibertarianism isn't the same thing as anarchy.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

as there would be no laws in this imaginary world,There would be law in a libertarian society enforced by private entities. This law would be formed under poly-centric law rather than monopolistic law.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Na, I have meet people I disagree with who I don't tell to reread the communist mainfesto. However when someone clearly fails to have even a basic understanding of its meaning its clear they either are lying about reading it or read into it and thus didn't understand it. The communist mainfesto has a few "nietschea" moments in it, where you have to pay extra attention to context; which isn't good for a contraversial text.Your society of slaves sounds like the result of unbridled capitalism to me.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Na, I have meet people I disagree with who I don't tell to reread the communist mainfesto.Figures...Actually, I have an basic understanding. Maybe it is you who doesn't understand it. Marx sees individual self-interest among capitalists as destructive of their class interest in general. Of course, Marx sees interests, but not on individual level, but on a common level. PLEASE PINPOINT A QUOTE THAT MARX IDENTIFIES SELF INTEREST IN COMMUNIST MANIFESTO RATHER THAN COMMON INTERESTSee I have actually read the Communist Manifesto, whether you believe it or not, I could really care less. I was much like you until I read The Law by Frederic Bastiat At the time, at least, I was willing to give the other side a chance unlike yourself. If you are unwilling to read Power and Market, read The Law, if not, it only means that you are narrow minded.Your society of slaves sounds like the result of unbridled capitalism to me.Nice catch phrase, you should patent it.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

The other sides has their chance, and I do read their ideas rather often(its hard not too in this political climate). I've browsed the shorter articles on the mises website before, but remember I'm a engineering student, work part time, am involved in a few other organizations as well and have a long list of books in my room I need to finish reading. The Austrian school I dislike due to praxeology, and the idealism and shallow analyses their "economists" display. I read about half of "The Law", and may read the rest over thanksgiving break. At this point I find it wanting, It could be much further fleshed out in some areas and despite agreeing with the few basic premises It is clear we have different interpretations of them. I look forward to further dissecting the work.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Or The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality, by Ludwig von Mises. Or just about anything else by von Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, etc., etc.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

"China and Cuba are communist, go see if they will take you. Then, you can live miserably along with them."I feel compelled to tell you that most Cubans are much better off today than they were when cuba was a private bordello for corrupt gangster US capitalists. Cuba has a better health care system than the US, its education system is on avergae of a higher standard also, the death rate is less, they life expectancy is higher, education is free all the way up the ladder while in the US is free (and absolutely terrible unless private), then 3rd level is of high quality as only the rich or those willing to accept crippling debt can afford it.I could type here all day about the advabtages of lving in Cuba to the US, they are a model of sustainability, they are shining light on the 3rd world who want to extricate themselves from this crippling capitalist system that has kept their people in bondage.You seapk of Cuba with what seems like severe cold war induced paranoia.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Cuba is not a bad place for you info...............many communists are from Cuba for example, me. Those are only communist in name.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: theoretically good

Theoretically nearly every governement would work given the proper circumstances, for the good of the majority.Unfortunately human nature makes it so only a handful work in practice. Communism apparently not being one of them. Capitalism is actually young so let's not get too confident in this experiment either. It appears perhaps capitalism is a catalyst to "buy" democracy instead of taking it over with weapons and blood the traditional way these things fall apart.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Theoretically, every political system would work given the proper circumstances. In reality, none of them does. In political theory, the goal is often not pragmatism, but rectitude. And the one philosophy that comes closest to that is laissez-faire capitalism.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: theoretically good

laissez-faire capialism is a silly notion. We wouldn't have roads, cops, or a military. You'd have a few people with everything who use all this money and power to make sure no one else can get any of that money or power. If a steve jobs invents Iphone in laissez-faire capitalism, someone with more money just steels it, copies it and puts him out of business.There needs to be a way for people to protect their ideas, there needs to be a way to ensure people who make food do it in a safe manner, there needs to be programs in place for injured, old and sick, there needs to be fair rules against monopolies, rules on how investors can use other people's money, etc. There needs to be oversite and control over money. Money is a tool and letting it do whatever it will do is no different than a laissez-faire military for instance, where each individual general say could do whatever they like with all their missiles and guns. Do you honestly believe that people left to their own devices, given all of this power, would actually use it altruistically? You need checks and balances on everything which has power, and this includes money, which is the heart of capitalism. Capitalism itself needs checks and balances.Regular people need to have as much power and representation as those with everything. Otherwise you are inviting a type of capitalist monarchy whilst everyone else is forever stuck in a state of practical surfdom without hope of escape no matter how smart or talented they happen to be.It's amazing that despite every single time in history we take a laissez-faire attitude toward capitalism it results in disaster, yet people still defend it.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

If a steve jobs invents Iphone in laissez-faire capitalism, someone with more money just steels it, copies it and puts him out of business.And if their idea is so much better than Jobs's, why shouldn't they? Bad ideas should be allowed to fail, just as a child who's careless should be allowed to scrape his knee rather than being wrapped in protective foam.There needs to be a way for people to protect their ideas, there needs to be...So the answer to inherent individual human corruption is a consolidation of individual, corrupt humans? You do realize the only difference between the state and a corporate monopoly is that the state's support can't be revoked by market principles, don't you?Do you honestly believe that people left to their own devices, given all of this power, would actually use it altruistically?No, and they shouldn't. Altruism is fundamentally irrational. However, as a communal species, we are almost always behooved by cooperation (so long as it's voluntary). Capitalism itself needs checks and balances.Note that my words were "laissez-faire captialism," not "anarcho-capitalism."Regular people need to have as much power and representation as those with everything.Where does this happen? In a communistic society? What communistic societies have you studied?Also, why?Otherwise you are inviting a type of capitalist monarchy whilst everyone else is forever stuck in a state of practical surfdom without hope of escape no matter how smart or talented they happen to be.Plutocracy =/= capitalism. And feudalism = especially not capitalism.It's amazing that despite every single time in history we take a laissez-faire attitude toward capitalism it results in disaster, yet people still defend it.If irony were water, I would drown.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

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Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

What makes you think America isn't headed towards communism? How much money do we owe China? How many jobs do we outsource to communist countries? Communism without a fascist dictator looks good to me- only it's never been applied that way.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

You should try to be communist, even if you don't quite get there. If you fail to reach your goal but get halfway it's better than not getting anywhere at all. The theory of communism is good, nobody can deny the fact that equality (of opportunity, rather than outcome maybe) is good, it's fair and it's right, nobody should be penalized because they were born into a poor family right? Studies and tests have proven that people are happier if people are more equal, in Switzerland for example, they have a huge welfare state and they are they happiest country in the world! Happiness should be a goal in life, not making money and equality (which is essentially what Communism fights for) brings happiness :)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

I absolutely agree with you.Communism as the theory is right and good. But most of attempts to establish communism has failed. I am actually a communist, and I think, that one day, people wont be so selfish and greedy, and REAL and FREE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISM will have an open way.Make love, not war and peace to everybody.PS: I am so happy that even in UK or US is somebody with similar opinions as me.Sorry for my ENG, I am from Central Europe ;)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Communism is good, but we will never achive it because of greed.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

That is a really old argument. If we live in a society based on helping we would be humanitarian. greed won't affect anyone any way.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Communism is in general good its just that it has faile din practise mant times so people are prejediced against it... also it over looks human nature
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant if it cant work. It cant work because some people, and some people at different points in their live, are selfish greedy humans and ruin it for everyone els. A better system than communism is one where everyone takes care of themselves but have the choice to help others if they want and that isn't Communism, socialism, or fascism or whatever its Capitalism. Democracy and true capitalism works the best of any system I can think of despite what the occupy people say.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Communism, like capitalism and feudalism before it, depends on key means of production being in operation. It is this base of society, these modes of production, which produce the superstructure or political, social, cultural, sociological, ect make up of society. The problem with Leninism is that it is incapable of developing these modes of production within a necessarily small time frame, good thing Leninism is not communism. Communism is fully capable of working once the economic base of society develops out of capitalism, till then capitalism regulated by a democratic government is the best system.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"A better system than communism is one where everyone takes care of themselves but have the choice to help others if they want"Isn't that more or less what we have now? "or fascism or whatever its Capitalism"Actually the USA is not as far from facism as you think, if you don't agree then its likely you don't fully understand how facism could take root, i strongly urge you to wathc the following video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLDzDklTRU "Democracy and true capitalism works the best of any system I can think of despite what the occupy people say"How can you say that about a system that causes so much destruction and death around the world, about a system that keeps the majorioty poor even the countries that have used it more successfully than any others i.e. the US
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

It is more or less what we have now although we are slowly loosing our freedom to choose who we help and more and more the government is deciding that for us (socialism). I don't disagree with you that the US is also leaning towards fascism but it is more complicated then that. A common belief among liberals is that the US is tuning fascist because of corporations but I think it is the governments fault and the best way to fix it is through it. Every system has its faults there called humans, capitalism has caused less death and destruction than other systems and the poor in a capitalistic system like the USs have more wealth and necessity's than most of the world combined.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"It is more or less what we have now "I can assure you still don't have facism although you came very close with Goerge W Bush, and patriot act."the government is deciding that for us (socialism). "Well your right in thinking the government decides but wrong in thiking socialism is a problem in your country, in your country socialism barely exists."corporations but I think it is the governments fault and the best way to fix it is through it."The corporations control your government, they are ultimately mroe to blame, they are responsible for corrutping your system, government officials have simpoly been willing participants."Every system has its faults there called humans,"This is facile nonsense, you could say exactly the same thing about Nazi Germany, they were humans too you know." capitalism has caused less death and destruction than other systems "I don't think that is correct, it really depends on how you wemasure death and dstruction, the global capitlaist system has killed more poeple from starvations, malnutrition, disease, lack of proper medicine, medical treatment, lack of proper sanitation, education etc.....etc. than any other, but if you exclude these deaths you're probably right."the poor in a capitalistic system like the USs have more wealth and necessity's than most of the world combined."Thats largely due to US hegemony, when you syphon reasourcse from all over the world, and make athe majority of the worlds countries play by a system for which you wrote the ruls book it has the added benefit of rasing the standard of living int the country.I cannot understand how people like you quote these things as if they matter, your country has more economic disparity than any other developed country, your poor people have it harder than any otehr developed country, the average life expectancy is lower, your healthcare system is a shambles as is your education system, none of these thigns are accidents, they are products of defunct system built on greed.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Gorge bush and the patriot act was more like socialism or communism than fascism but you arnt the only liberal to imply that everything a republican president does is fascist. Government has completely warped any pure capitalistic society with its vast regulations and taxes that hamper business and corporation growth this has the strongest effect on the working man and small business despite their other intentions. There are insane amounts of taxes and regulations set on the restaurant industry alone as well as the threat of the unions "mobilizing" food service workers in with case many if not all small restaurants would have to close leaving only the corporate business to survive not thrive but survive. Government control over every aspect of business in this country is what is ruining it. The government claims it is doing all these things to make things fair (socialism) but it is creating a system within which the only way for capitalists (ie corporations) to survive is to pay off the people in government (fascism) only here it wont end up being the corporations that run the government it will be the opposite. however I believe we can change it and we will.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"Gorge bush and the patriot act was more like socialism or communism than fascism"If you really beleive that you simple don't understand what those terms mean."you arnt the only liberal to imply that everything a republican president does is fascist."Im not a liberal and nearly every democrat president has been a borderline facist as well if that satisfies you."Government control over every aspect of business in this country is what is ruining it. "And just how much influence do you beleive big business has over your govenment?"The government claims it is doing all these things to make things fair (socialism) but it is creating a system within which the only way for capitalists (ie corporations) to survive is to pay off the people in government (fascism) "First of all my own country is far more socialist than your own, and i can assure that small businesses have a much tougher time than large ones so i very much doubt the opposite is true in the US, the way you speak about corporations amazes me, you make out as if they are struggling and have to resort to these underhanded tactics in order to stay a float.Do you have any idea how much wealth and power these entities control? Seriously go look it up, most devdoped countries cannot compare to the GDPs of the woprlds 50 largest corporations, and these entities are given individual rights in a court of law, they are a law unto themselves."only here it wont end up being the corporations that run the government it will be the opposite."The corporations already run your government, and whats more they have been running it for long time i can assure you." however I believe we can change it and we will."I admire your optimism, unfortunately given that you seem to against the occupy movement i feel compelled to point out to you that your optimism is compeltely unfounded, and simply isn't grounded in reality.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Oh I'm so assured thank you for showing me the light you are so right and I am so wrong how foolish of me to assume I now anything in how my own government and society works. Your right you country is more socialist than mine you win I don't have a leg to stand on. I am sooo sorry to call you a liberal when it is so obvious that you and every other person Ive met with similar view are definitely not liberals. What do you call yourself? Just curious.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"Oh I'm so assured thank you for showing me the light you are so right and I am so wrong how foolish of me to assume I now anything in how my own government and society works. "As usual you refuse to address my points instead resorting to cheap ridicule, im sorry if my argument was a little overbearing but i wasn't being overly provocative either."Your right you country is more socialist than mine you win I don't have a leg to stand on."Im sorry you feel the need to resort to this quality of debate."I am sooo sorry to call you a liberal"Somehow i doubt your sincerity, besides i was simply making my position clear, if you want to call me a liberal to fit my into your perception of the world fair enough, i only refuted it so anyone that reads it will no i do not consider myself one. "when it is so obvious that you and every other person Ive met with similar view are definitely not liberals."I can assure you i don't share their views."What do you call yourself? Just curious"I really don't like labels, in fact i dispise them, i worship individuality in all its forms, i admonish groups, organisations, leaders, and alike.