Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

You realize saying "you were taught to like a money based economy" doesnt make me biased and doesnt make things I say invalid, alright? It's common sense even currently that if people do not work everything will fall apart. The only difference is that currently they work for money which can provide them sustenance, they are basically working for sustenance. Not because they are needed. They are forced to work even currently, without really knowing they are required to. Most people understand that they need to work or everything would fall apart, however, what my problem is (I don't care if you "explained" it, this is how it would likely work) that there would be a large organization or government producing and regulating all this, so it would be a monopoly, everyone has to work but they aren't forced to work for one party.You are saying with no money there could be no resources, even though that is not true.Thats not what I'm saying, I'm saying that money is a medium for trading and getting resources, so if there wasn't money there likely weren't enough resources to suppor t the project in the first place, yes there were likely resources being used for other things but you don't have the right to take them away.Not only what I want, it's what would happen if it were done correctly.Everything can be done correctly, but the chance of it being done properly is extremely low and the time it would last is even lower.With money, if you don't have enough for something you need you don't get it. If you have too much, that's unused resources that could be used for something else, to speed up human progress.You can buy stuff you need, and if you don't have enough money then you do without, you don't just waltz out into the world, get a high paying job and get everything you like. People with "unused" resources, regardless of what they do with them, those are their resources, not yours.There would be less greed as there would be less means for expressing it. There would be far less unused resources (money that just sits and does nothing) and thus progress would be faster.You seem to think that anyone who doesn't just blow all their money and spend it all is just "not using them" its called saving, most people who understand how economics and the world works know that spending all your money is bad and risky.Stealing from other people would be quite pointless as you could simply go and get it for free.Its not free, it costs labor, resources, time and transportation. You work and you get money to buy resources, in the current system. You work and get resources, in your system. So why would people not steal and try and get their hands on other people things? You seem to think that everyone is a little angel and that they will act like you... They won't. No starvation, no poor people.Go back to reading Capital by Karl Marx.That's what you have been taught about moneyless society, and it is wrong (I'm not talking about dictatorship or something similar).Its completely right, if everything needs to be regulated, recorded,distributed and managed you would need a large organization or state. And by the way, I wasn't taught this.The truth is, there has been no big moneyless societies on Earth (so claiming it does not work is foolish, as there are and have been no examples to base the claim on, only logic that says it would work, if you manage to think objectively).Just cause it doesnt exist isn't a reason to make it (logic says it won't work, your simplistic view of people and and the world say its would work though)You have been taught to think it won't work, even though it has never been tried. Trying something is doing it for at least a short time, and that has never happened. You have been prejudiced, it seems.I wasn't taught this, stop calling everyone who disagrees with prejudice or closed minded... thats actually quite prejudice I live in a money based society... Because of that I use money. How could I not know what it is?Because you don't understand what it is, you live in a certain society doesnt mean you understand it.First thing, we don't live in the past.First thing, did you read anything I wrote with out saying to yourself "it happened in the past so it doesn't matter"Second, are you really so naive to think that money is working just great with no issues caused by it at all?Money is working great, these issues are cause by people and will exist in any society, your just moving the problem and then thinking it doesnt exist.Yes, it makes trade simpler and also provides many options for abuse that are actively being utilized.And authority over distribution doesnt? Most people don't abuse money, most people in authority abuse it though.You do know that we are advancing, not staying the same, that means that one day, like it or not, money will be goneWere actually going backwards as a species, mutations and mental illnesses and retardation are higher than ever and the average IQ has dropped a bit.If they don't they're simply greedy.Its their money, they earned, they can do what they please with, you have no right to take it away, your opinion doesnt somehow trump others and your are a human just like the one with more money than you, I don't see him trying to steal your money, unless you consider him not giving away his money to be stealing. Expansion? I'm not talking about the money used for that, I'm talking about that which never sees any use.Again, you save money, your supposed to save some, if you have $100,000 and you invest it all and the ivestment goes bad your fucked. PEople should be forced to take that risk because you don't understand economics.You base it on current views and values (because you've been taught so, everyone is but not all adhere to it), I don't."you were taught this" is that your only point?What resources if there is no money?... really? Do I really need to explain this? Alright, I will: You get money from resources, if Mr.Nummi eliminates money Mr.Greedy will still have his resources, understand?Strength? No one can give someone else strength. Intimidation? The same. Fear? The person must cause that. ITs funny how your preaching for a mass collectivist society but think that people will still act like individuals.Authority? I'm fairly certain we were talking about getting to the place of power, not already being there.Whatever you do, there will be people in power, people will get into power, and they will find ways to get to power. What comes with power? Authority.Sex? Something one would have to use the body for.Offer an old or ugly person in power a chance to sleep with and extremely attractive person, theres a pretty good chance they'll give in. False hope? That's lying. Propaganda? The same.Give false hope to get in power, once your in power use propaganda to make people believe more lies. Simple.it would make it harder, much harder.Not really, would change that much with power actually, just take money away from normal people and then they have no power.The difference is that some don't have enough for a decent life and some have far more than they will ever needIf I had a nice house, good amount of money, good job and a nice life and I saw you were down on your luck I might help you out a bit. However, I'm not obligated to support you or make your life as good as mine.No money, there would be none of this.Yes there would, you just can't seem to understand the money isn't what creates poverty and wealth.If they reinvest it back into the economy then why do they always have a lot of it?Because 1. its risky to invest all/ most of your money in the economy at once and 2. if you have alot of money you can save it or live nicer.Money is the easiest way. All you have to do is pay people.Theres and easier way, its called getting a job in polotics and getting good at lying.How can you misunderstand "no money, all you can use is yourself"?I'm sorry, but to think if there was no money you could only use yourself, thats a stupid thing to say, you can use many more things than yourself, your obviously not familiar with what people do.I, for one, do not care about keeping something like that just for myself, neither do I want more than is necessary or practical. Because it would be pointless and stupid.Your greedy, I'm greedy, were all greedy. Every human is greedy on some level weather they know it or not.I'm fairly certain I've mentioned the word "less"...I'm fairly certain I've mentioned the phrase "just cause you imagined it doesnt mean it will play out that way, stop being ignorant, be realalistic and understand how your system would actually work."Then why is it in contradiction with me? Or you think I'm not human? That would explain.Your greedy on some level just like everyone else, some people are less greedy than others. In todays world we just consider people who are really greedy to be greedy and everyone else is just fine... Its bullshit.