Debate: Should the death penalty still be allowed as a form of punishment?
Side: Pro-Death Penalty

You gave me a possible application for the word punishment, and expanded upon what the concept of punishment means to a society. You also said that punishment is essentially rehabilitation and that death can't be said to be called a punishment. So I gave you a textbook definition of punishment to show that punishment, as a word and as a concept, very much includes killing the offender in question. When deciding if something should be allowed as a form of punishment I think it's important to establish what "punishment" is, no? If you alter the definition of "punishment" to mean essentially the same thing as "rehabilitation," and then say death can't be considered a punishment because it doesn't rehabilitate the offender I think that's faulty logic. I didn't dismiss you're entire argument, the part about "should it be allowed," I just clarified the bit about "form of punishment."People used the method of punishment to teach people for thousands of years and eventually the idea was voiced in the English language, yes, and death was also used as a punishment for thousands of years before it was a dictionary definition... so what?What you said and what was in the dictionary were actually not the same thing at all and that was my beef. You said punishment is a way to teach people to be better and benefit society and that this does not include death; the dictionary says punishment is a penalty and/or pain, suffering, rough treatment, and sometimes death. If you decide to ramble on about the concept of punishment, none of it relevant to the original clarification i made, of course I'm not going to address it in my dispute. I hardly see how this makes me "suck" at debating; I never disputed the random, vaguely-on-topic points you made in the first place, so why would abstaining from disputing them indicate i need to take classes in logic or forensics? I was disputing your implication that punishment is exclusively "a way to show people what is and is not acceptable so they might improve their lives" and that death cannot be considered a punishment under this definition; that's all. You prattled on about dogs and about the relationship between the government and it's citizens but I didn't disagree with any of that at all and I still don't. You try so hard to find things that you can do and say to boost your own ego, put down others, boast your extensive education, and suggest others educate themselves. I can't think of any reason you would do this in such abundance unless you yourself are insecure and uneducated. People who are actually confident and learned don't generally feel the need to ram those things down other peoples throats.As for me, throw all the crude insults you like. I've got thick skin and I don't take any insult throw at me by some random troll on the internet seriously. I told you to get the fuck off my site because assholes who talk themselves up while talking down others but refuse to actually debate the issues ruin this site. That's about as vulgar as I've gotten. You've been a jackass hellbent on putting me down, much more so than actually demonstrating these amazing debating skills you keep talking about. Look at this debate. You latched onto the fact that my reply was short and I wasn't disputing much of your original post and tried to turn it around and blow it up into some kind of indicator that I'm an ignorant moron. And in place of actually rebutting my argument at all, you threw out a couple red herrings, attacked a few straw men of your own creation, and then degraded this conversation with pointless and childish insults and petty slanders.