azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

It seems to me that whatever science is it you're delving into, you obviously haven't understood it correctly.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

[Citation Needed]
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

There is no means for a doubt. You hear amazing stories everyday. Adding to it, read the bible. How is it that each and every one of todays problems is told as a verse in the bible, with an amazing example of how to deal with it.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

In India, there was a young girl born with 8 limbs, part of a rare condition where a conjoined twin did not fully develop, and due to malnutrition, the twin began to reabsorb the body of the other twin. Now, to many in India, this is a miracle, and she is the reincarnation of Ganesh, however western science understands the root cause of this deformity and realizes that without help, the girl would die a horribly painful death. Indeed, her parasitic twin thing was removed eventually, however is this a miracle or a mutation? These 'amazing stories' do not account for alternate explanations and show how ignorant some people are.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

"You hear amazing stories everyday."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias -"How is it that each and every one of todays problems is told as a verse in the bible, with an amazing example of how to deal with it."The bible was written by several people over a long period of time. It is a collection of a great deal of wisdom. It's mainly the supernatural parts that I object to.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

The bible is not proof for god. That would be considered circular reasoning.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Actually, I think most people don't here 'amazing stories' everyday. I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that only a select few ignoramuses actually here 'amazing stories' everyday. Most people just live and struggle to exist in this cruel world that somehow becomes "beautiful" and "amazing" after god enters the picture...sarcasm hopefully apparent.And I'd also love for you to illustrate for us (as is proper in debate) these stories that seemingly fortell the future! Were the disciples the christian version of Nostradamus?! (the heretic every christian loved to hate...) I find it baffling that such a turn of events has allowed the bible to become a predictive tool, which would've been bogus up until modern day (read: terrible) America.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Using the Bible to prove the existence of God is like using a comic book to prove the existence of Superman.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

On the contrary it's the truest text ever written. If you have eyes to see it, and a heart to understand it. It has no contradictions and the depth of it. It's the path of great wisdom. With oracles spoken with a few simple texts. I read it and it's fluid. Literally like Water!Jesus said come to the Living Water. I've experienced that in that book. Oh my God such depth!You are saddlly mistaken about the Bible and about God!
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

The Law of Cause and Effect:For every effect there is a greater cause.I physically observe the complexity of the universe, and I therefore conclude that the cause is greater than the universe.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

There's a flaw in your argument. The Law of Cause and Effect is a property within the physical universe itself (or possibly even just our perception of it). Just because things in the universe follow the Law doesn't mean the universe itself does.Your statement is analogous to saying "everything in this house is under a roof, therefore the house itself must have a further roof above it."Even if you disagree with that analogy, you still haven't solved the First Cause problem, you've just bumped it up a level. If something greater than the universe caused the universe, what created that "greater cause"? If that "greater cause" has some special property that enables it to be a First Cause, why attribute that property to something outside the universe instead of applying it to the universe itself?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

This video is a response to:"Even if you disagree with that analogy, you still haven't solved the First Cause problem, you've just bumped it up a level. If something greater than the universe caused the universe, what created that "greater cause"? If that "greater cause" has some special property that enables it to be a First Cause, why attribute that property to something outside the universe instead of applying it to the universe itself?"
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

The fatal flaw here is that he is attempting to disprove eternity using properties of the universe; time, matter, etc. He's assuming that a pre-universe would have the same properties as the universe itself. Even time is a property of the universe. Outside the bounds of the universe, we simply don't know.The main argument here though, is that the guy simply misunderstands what matter, time and space are. Matter is simply a manifestation of energy. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created, only transfered. So, did God create energy? If he did, then we are violating the laws of physics, and therefore we can not use the laws of physics (as asserted in this video) to prove the existance of God. Or, can we say that God is energy? In that case, energy is infinite (as God is inifnite) and once again this argument falls down.Hurray for science and logic.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I'm sorry, but I didn't see anything in that video that looked like a logical argument (I didn't listen to the audio). Pretty zoom effect or not, a series of uncorrelated assertions proves little. The only thing close to an argument I saw in there was:"Either everything came from nothing or something always existed and created everything that is created."...which is clearly a false dichotomy. It leaves out, among other things, the possibility that everything always existed and nothing has been created.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Once again, in response to the video. If there are two ultimatums, that Everything came from nothing, or that it always existed, then why does the universe have to have a beginning? You've just assumed this and then closed off the causality cycle with the opposite argument.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Once again. In response to the video, which stated that there are two ultimatums, 1. Either everything came from nothing, or 2. Something always existed. All you did was assume everything came from somewhere, placed God before all of this, and closed off the causality chain with the exact opposite argument.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

although your solution is a god with infinite power, infinite knowledge, infinite presence, infinite morality, and has existed infinitly. if 2 infinitly existing planes of energy collided and caused the big bang - that would require infinite time, but no morality or involvement/presensce in our current universe. there are many explainations that do not require a god to create our universe - the fact that we haven't narrowed it to one for you does not mean the demonstrably flawed bible is correct
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

Can you define universe or do you agree with Wikipedia?"The Universe is most commonly defined as everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. However, the term "universe" may be used in slightly different contextual senses, denoting such concepts as the cosmos, the world or Nature."Responding to: "Just because things in the universe follow the Law doesn't mean the universe itself does."
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

I'm OK with Wikipedia's definition.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Counterexample: Chaotic systems. A small change in the initial conditions can have enormous results in the end. Therefore, causes need not be greater than effects.Another example, though not a chaotic system, is a line of dominoes, each slightly bigger than the next. Tip the smallest one over, and as long as the sizes do not increase too fast, the last and largest will eventually fall.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Read "a New kind of science" by Stephen Wolfram. It is a book about complexity theory that goes to show (with mathematical computer simulations) that complex forms and structures are more likely to have a simple set of initial conditions than complex. In fact if the intial conditions are complex almost all of the time the forms/structures that follow are simple
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

If all material effects/movements are caused by something physical, then why assume a meta-physical being set in motion the ultimate first cause?Lets not forget uncaused events like the vacuum fluctuations that occur all the time.It would seem that our universes' existence does not require a causehttp://www.infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/uncaused.html
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

The Caused Beginning of the Universe: A Response to Quentin SmithDr. William Lane Craig Quentin Smith has recently argued that (I) the universe began to exist and (II) its beginning was uncaused. In support of (II), he argues that (i) there is no reason to think that the beginning was caused by God and (ii) it is unreasonable to think so. I dispute both claims.His case for (i) misconstrues the causal principle, appeals to false analogies of ex nihilo creation, fails to show how the origin of the universe ex nihilo is naturally plausible, and reduces to triviality by construing causality as predictability in principle. His case for (ii) ignores important epistemological questions and fails to show either that vacuum fluctuation models are empirically plausible or that they support his second claim.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Or, you could actually do some research and find out that there are processes by which complexity can be created from simplicity. (EX: Evolution, Conway's Game of Life, Chaotic systems, etc.)
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

It is true that there is no hard core evidence that God exits, but there is no proof that he doesn’t exist. Can anyone who doesn’t believe in God provide hard core evidence that contradicts God existence? Not theories, stories, or assumptions, but evidence.Just because we are incapable of proving God exists does not mean he doesn’t. Once people were incapable of proving that the world was round so did that make it flat? There is also archeology that coincides with the bible. Also the reason most Christians don’t need evidence is because we have FAITH. Those who believe that God doesn’t exist have just as much FAITH in the matter, because there is no hard core evidence that proves the belief that God doesn’t exist.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

If I was to say the invisible flying speghetti monster exists and created the god that you believe in - how would you prove that it doesn't.You might try finding the origination of that belief and discrediting it source, by finding inconsistencies within the beliefs, or inconsistencies with what they believed and our current knowledge.for example - if a religion believed:there was an earth with water and grass and trees and night and day - before there was a sun or moonGen 1:1-16that the sun and moon are in our atmosphereGen 1:8,14that god created animals then man and woman in Gen 1:24-27 but created man first, then animals, then woman in Gen 2:18-22that Sons of God (nephilim) had sex with the daughters of men and created giants Gen 6:2-4the omniscient, all powerful, all good creator god regretted creating everything and decided to kill all humans, plants, and air/land animals less than 1700 years after creation, but decides to let one 600 year old man build a football field sized boat and get all the animals and enough food for them to live more than a year at sea since there was enough water to cover the entire earth more than 22 ft higher than the tallest mountain Gen 6:6-7that God told Noah to take 2 of every animal in Gen 6:19-20 but four verses later says to bring 7 pairs of every clean animal and 2 of animals that are not clean Gen 7:2and that's just in the first seven (out of 50) chapters of Genesisif you were to read a book like this that was not called the bible - you would likely wonder what crazy stuff people were smoking in those days
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

Well for those of you who believe in the big bang theory where the Earth was cereated by an explosion of gases and other stuff, I ask you this: Where did the gases come from?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

You seem to think that at the same time the big bang happened the earth was created. The earth is about four billion years old, but the big bang happened somewhere between 13-14 billion years ago. The gases that made up the earth came according to big bang theory ultimately from that big bang - but not (and this is important) all at the same time. All-at-the-same-time is the bible version of creation, remember.This is the problem with many of the arguments the religious side makes here - you make up a simplified straw-man out of what you believe one theory or another says and have obviously not studied these theory's, probably because you live in parts of your country where religion has such a stronghold that you don't get to learn these things. This forces us to spend most of our time correcting your ridiculous and flawed statements - and then some of you get very hurt when we assault your intelligence. At least we have studied the foundation of your claims
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

only moves the question - bible just says god did it, and when asked where god came from - umm - he's always been there. yeah, thats it
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Where did your god come from?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

YES. Wouldn't you would laugh at anyone who did not believe that there is a designer who designed your "designer jeans"? What about someone who thought watches and cars just accidentally fell together? The natural order leads to disorder...just look at our homes...just look at any machine that is not maintained.Can you see that it takes more faith to believe that our amazing bodies just fell together, then that they are designed by a designer? Just look at a leaf closely, or a sea shell, or even a spider web. Everything in nature points to an Intelligent Designer. Design only comes through some level of programing... by GOD. On top of that, we can also see that, "the heavens DECLARE the GLORY of GOD." says Psalm 19:1 from the NIV Holy Bible. It is clear that to be so blind as not to see God's hand in nature and in life, is the ultimate state of selfimposed darkness, emptiness, and meaninglessness. It is the opposite, of finding an Intelligent God who chooses to love us and who has shown it through his SON, Jesus Christ...What joy, hope, love , light and meaningFULLness this knowledge produces in us who see, and believe.Other species do not realize this truth because they were never programed to think about God. We were....
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

The theory of evolution explains the development of complex organisms without the need for an interventionist creator. Indeed, it explains it more adequately than an omniscient, omnipotent creator, because it also explains all the mistakes that were made along the way; witness the "blind spot" human eyes have as a result of having the light-sensing cells behind the nerve cells.Forget taking a look at a machine that is not maintained; take a look at Conway's Game of Life. There you can truly see complexity generated from simplicity; there are starting patterns that have been proven to continue indefinitely without repeating themselves.Finally, if anything truly complex DOES require a designer, which I do not accept, then doesn't God himself require a designer? He can hardly be said to be "simple"; otherwise we mere humans wouldn't have all this trouble comprehending Him, would we?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

How does the Game of Life begin?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Any analogy can be stretched until it is broken. The point of the Game of Life example was to show that complexity can develop from simplicity (any emergent phenomenon would have done as well, really; I just have a fondness for math). The fact that the rules and parameters (such as the starting state) are human-devised are irrelevant to that point. It would be relevant if I were saying that the world itself were like the game of life, but I didn't. Thanks for the strawman, though.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Sorry, didn't think that was much of a stretch.So are the laws of this universe complex?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

see Miller Urey and the many other experiments that deal with origins of life from inorganic material to organic material (amino acids, etc)
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: YES!!

see my reply on the op side...................................................................................:)
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

I would consider an alternate explanation to the designer jeans scenario, but only considering their explanation is more reasonable and logical than mine. And what circular logic, "god is true because the bible says so. The bible is true because it was written by god", yeah, well, i could say "I am god because i wrote a book about me being god". That's fallacious! Furthermore, just because an option is unpalatable to the conscience doesn't make it any less true. If i thought that Bush didn't exist, because i don't like him, that doesn't unmake him. Also, i am curious how you reconcile your god's omnipotence and omni-sapience, if he knows the future, is he powerful enough to change it? Also, if he has a divine plan, then why give us choice? Surely a wrong choice would ruin his plan, making him neither omni-sapient, nor omnipotent. Furthermore, if he does have a plan, why pray? why should he change his plan for you? and if he does, then he's not omni-sapient, again. I really dont see how you can reconcile these paradoxes.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

"Can you see that it takes more faith to believe that our amazing bodies just fell together..."This is a common misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution is not random - things don't "just fall together." Evolution is design - just not intelligent design. It is design by natural selection.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

exactly. Molecules do not randomly fit together- they have a certain shape that predisposes them to fitting to some but not others - then they build up bigger forms that un-randomly fit to other molecule clusters and so on. The randomness is only if and when they will coma against forms that fit. Most of the time they bump into molecules that dont fit.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

Look kids! He started with the watchmaker argument! Please, please, please, stop using arguments that have been proven to be flawed over and over and over! This is the problem that theists have when convincing atheists that there is a god of some sort, you don't use good arguments.Anyway, to disprove that argument, we recognize that things like jeans, laptop, and WATCHES have a creator because that's the culture that we've been brought up in. We know that they have a creator because there's no method through which they could've come together other than that. But for the complexities of our bodies, the spiders, and the sea shells, we have explained methods by which they reach their complexity (evolution).The main problem that I have with the watchmaker argument is the inherent fundamentalist theistic blindness that it displays. On the surface, it simply shows the theist ignoring scientific evidence (which is a bit of a euphemism, I've realized. Let's make this clear: evidence means we've SEEN IT HAPPEN), but then you dive deeper and it shows how much the belief in a god (I didn't capitalize it because I wasn't referring to the Abrahamic God) can blind a person to the flaws in their argument. You're stating that a god (which most people say is perfect) created the universe (perfectly). You're arrogant enough to assume that this universe was created for humans, one of the stupidest assertions you can make. If a god exists, he's a damn shitty one for creating all this useless crap around us (the whole universe that we don't really need). Why wouldn't a god give us better, longer lasting, stronger bodies? Why wouldn't a god make the universe centered around us if we were what he created it for? Why wouldn't we be living in a metaphorical "Garden of Eden"? Here's the answer: because a god doesn't exist.Also, why do you assert that the christian God created the universe?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

I like to think there is something more powerful than we can know or understand, but I do not believe in God as the Bible describes him. I have yet to discover an organized religion that I have complete faith in. I'm spiritual, but in my own way -- not how it's been defined by anyone else.
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: No!!

This begs an epistemological question: how could you know that there is something necessarily so powerful that humans are incapable of understanding it? (isn't that a statement that relies on understanding the very entity that you say we might be incapable of understanding?)It also begs a further question: how would you be able to recognize an entity or being that is outside of your capacity to understand; that is, without understanding what you are encountering, how would you be able to acknowledge it for what it is: a being more powerful than you are capable of understanding?
Debate: Do you believe in God?
Side: Yes!!

First of all, I would rather believe that there is a creator, then that everything happened by chance. It doesn't make sense to say that if you look at a car, that somehow everything crashed together and made a car that RUNS. The other question; That's real easy. This "powerful being" already thought of that and gave us a book that he inspired called the bible. He gave it to us so that we could know more about him