azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

1. If God does not exist, Objective Morality does not exist.2. Objective Morality exists.C: Therefore, God exists.Most people already accept the truthfulness of both premises. And, since the argument is logically valid, the conclusion also follows from the premises.Dispute over P1:Imagine if God does not exist. Empirically, we have been able to explain phenomena through scientific means which satisfy most people. However, the rigor and agressiveness of atheistic science movements have removed the 'humanity' from being human; there is no blatant reason not to kill another person in cold blood, or play tennis with the decapitated heads of babies. To assume otherwise would be committing a fallacy; after all, we are only the composition of our parts. Killing a human being would be no different from smashing a bug, or hurting the enviroment, or even damaging a rock. Evolutionary Psychology attempts to explain morality through evolutionary means, that is, what ever helps you survive is moral. But this renders it arbitrary in logical debate, as it assumes one "ought" operate in accord with his evolutionary psychology, which is a moral statement that requires one to identify a person as a whole, and not the composition of his parts.By contrast, if God exists, everyone has a soul, and we can derive our senses of goodness from the way he would have acted towards humans. We would derive our morality from our creator.Defending P2:I'm sure a lot of people who are hardcore, internet trolling atheists might just abandon the idea of objective morality all-together to avoid the horrible conclusion of God. Now, I really don't have time for moral relativists, as political discussions immediately turn stale due to the fact no action is truly beneficial to the lives of those affected. But imagine if there were no true "ought" statements. "Ought" we believe science? Of course! It helps us understand creation (or the Universe). "Ought" we think rationally? Why, yes! I would imagine society would love it if we could operate in ways that are predictable and make sense. What I am getting at here is that nobody really operates as if objective morality doesn't exist; they feel bad when they things that they perceive as wrong, and would rather not kill other people even if it means they would benefit themselves. To accept morality is relative is to deny your worldview and succumb to mere animal behavior, devoid of rational. We "ought" to think rationally, and only listen to arguments that are true, not just appealing. If not, why not believe in heaven?If no P, no QQTherefore, P
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

The Christian God loves his people enough to send His Son for us. Its the deepest expression of his love. thats why Jesus says John 3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.which means that he gave his one Son to atone for our sins. He handed overhis son as an offering to take our place for our iniquities and shortcomings. This action is consistent with God's personality. it makes sense as to why he would go through all the trouble to save us because he made us in his image for the sole purpose of interaction see Genesis 1:26. "Your God is so gracious and forgiving he sends people to burn for eternity if they dont belive in him" His loving personality allows him to forgive any and every sin that is done on earth. some sins in the eyes of men are simply unforgiveable but in the eyes of the Christian God every sin is forgiveable
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

A senseless and unneeded torture of his own son is an expression of love?What is a mortal's sin to such a being as god? Is it truly deserving of a never ending punishment?
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

A senseless and unneeded torture of his own son is an expression of love?-- casper3912(1160)I like how you look at the sacrifice of God's son from a pecimistic perspective. If you look at it as senseless torture (which means Jesus endeavor amounted to nothing) then of course you wont see as an expression of love. Let me ask you a question:How many people do you know are willing to die for you like that?Im sure you have a very short list. But jesus loved everyone so much he was willing to lower himself and suffer death on the cross. Read Philippians 2:5-11 and it will be put in perspective.Jesus said it himself when he said the greatest measure of love is to lay down your life for your friends.What is a mortal's sin to such a being as god? Is it truly deserving of a never ending punishment?God is higher than us in all ways imaginable so naturally he has a higher sense of morality. I can put it this way: think of a police officer whos job demands a higher sense of morality and a normal civilian. The cop is naturally going to do things a civilian wouldnt, like step in the way of danger, break up dangerous disputes etc. If he didnt you would be disappointed. Wouldnt you be disappointed in god if he didnt have a higher sense of morality. God's morality is so high that you cant meet his standards. But thats he gave us christ as a sin offering so we may be able to live to his standards and be free from sin. One can look at it another way. Im surev everyone is familiar with the thief on the cross story. One got into heaven just by believing. He was ariminal. Did he do anything to deserve heaven Certainly not! BUt jesus was so merciful he said "Today you will be with me in paradise."
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

It doesn't neccassirly mean that jesus's endeavor amounted to nothing, just that there was nothing which compelled it to happen. I do not owe a debt when my own kidnapper shoots himself for me. I do expect god to have a higher morality than most men, and if he cares for such petty things as i'm told he does, it is evidence that he doesn't.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Christianity of course. Can't imagine life if I didn't believe in God. Actually I can, it would be hell.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I am neither Christian nor Atheist , but despite I beleive that Christianity is better than Atheism.If there is no place for God in your life , it can not even be callad as a "life".
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I have a personal relationship with Christ. I do believe.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I support the O.P. Christianity is a legitimate belief. The Christ/Messiah who came, did fulfill Scriptures by His appearance. While among us, He claimed that the Scriptures spoke of Him, and he claimed to be one with the Father. An Atheist cannot claim that He doesn't exist, but only claim that that they don't believe in Him, or accept Him, and thus deny Him, and that is our free will in action.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I DON'T BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY NOR ATHEISM. I AM A MUSLIM, THATS THE BEST RELIGION...
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Ok, so get on a different debate...The question is Christianity or Atheism there is no third option.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

Actually other religions can take a part in this argument. While not a choice, they can show the weaknesses in either Christianity and atheism.For instance the argument that there had to be a creator because the earth and humans are too complicated can be questioned with why does it have to be a CHRISTIAN god when it can be other gods.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Yes other religions can dispute this too, but when someone write "I DON'T BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY NOR ATHEISM. I AM A MUSLIM, THATS THE BEST RELIGION..." They are not taking part in the argument, but only really walking all over Christians and atheist alike like we are some worthless animals to him... He comes with no reason, he comes with a personal statement which he doesn't even back up. All he really is saying is that being muslim is "awesome for him". Which is good for him, but frankly I don't care about that, at least not when he has to so arrogant and ignorant about the other two beliefs. You could also just say that he/she who wrote this is a childish little kid.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

That's kinda racist coz u said Jews are the best when i could say that being racist is da best bu it int
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Oh lol. People to point this out believing in God is called "faith" and we don't need proof to deal with this atheist's. The idea of God is false is your own words, and I don't have to deal with this , whatever you think is your faith so we won't stop you. Both side contradicts each others belief and no one truthfully wins. This is probably a fight between two armies where both doesn't win until the end. Mainly , I support Christianity because of my "faith to God" and your proof that God doesn't exist doesn't change the case or turn it the other way around.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

why are we fighting, right now those scientologists are running rampant. We need to come together to fight them
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

all this debate proves is that the internet is full of conceded, stuck up, narcissistic, atheists who are totally bigoted and intolerant of other peoples beliefs and cant leave people alone to worship or not worship as they chose athieists are biggots plain and simple
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Aetheists always say that the reason why people believe in christianity ( or religion) is to cope with otherwise uncopable scenarios like life after death, the issue of salvation and judgement. Similarly Aetheists also use aetheism as a coping mechanism to answer unanswered questions like 'If God is real then why is their so much war in the world?", or " if god is real why do people get away with horrible things?'" or "If God is loving then why does he order mass genocide and wars?" Aetheists have problem with all these unanswered questions and anyone who says they dont is simply lying. i for one can answer these questions but that would take a while. aetheists also believe that god is some bearded sadist in the sky who calls all the shots. first of all i never understand where they get that from because every christian believes God is a spirit who doesnt exist in space or the sky and is capable of manifesting in any form he sees fit. They call God a sadist but they ignore how gracious and forgiving the Bible protrays him as or how just he is He is so just a God that he deals with Israel how he deals with every other nation. i would be more inclined to believe he is a sadist if he dealt with his chosen people biasedly, but unfortunately he does not. Other information on christianity they have is either not consistent with the accepted belief of Christianity or is an unadressed rumour/lie. I for one believe aetheists have a lopsided j1
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I am a Christian for I believe there is a just God who will do ultimate justice for the good and bad deeds done here on earth.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I assume everyone on this side of this argument was raised in a Christian home, grow a pair and ask yourself, why do I worship a scruffy sandal wearing cultist.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Well though I behave as an atheist certainly I don't forget the principles and norms of Christianity;As this argument has heated up,Its better to conclude that this trend of atheism has not really gained that much ground and it would be anomalous to conceal our religion and say we support atheism.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

One of the key component to Christianity is FAITH. Just you because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Gravity, for example, you can't see it, feel it, or hear it, but you know it's there. Faith to Christians is the same way.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Wait a second, you can't feel gravity?This is a game changer.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Not believing in God is one of the worst things you could ever do. I'm not saying your a bad person but it's just dumb. I'll give you reasons why:1. The theory of design.The theory of design is about with everything that was made, there was a designer. For example: if you saw a house on the wooden house next to the beach, you would know that that house wasn't put together but the waves or the wind. You would (logically and hopefully) know that a person or people took there time to design and build that house. So why do atheists think nobody made the universe. It's a good reason to think that a designer, just like the house, would design and build this beautiful universe.2. Pascals Wager.For the debate of God being real, Pascals Wager says that before you die, you need to make a Wager on what's gonna happen. If you believe that God is real but when you die nothing happens then your fine. But if you don't believe in God and when you do die then your kinda screwed. Now think about that. Which one would be the better, more logical choice.3. The theory of morality.Everyone knows what morality is. It's the difference between rights and wrong and having morals means we know what's right to do. It's common sense. But without a God, how can morality be possible? According to atheists, after we die nothing happens and since, to them, nothing happens then why would you need morals? With God, we are put on this earth to do what he says so we can go to heaven and what he says is good so he brings us morality. So if your an atheist then morality doesn't even matter because to atheists were just a small spec in the universe so why would it matter to have morals. God gave us morals.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Christianity does offer hope in the world. Christianity does tell others to help the poor.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Christians are SAWS BAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Your excess use of words have no bearing and lack proof. It's a good attempt but I find your statement here cumbersome and as text book as one can get. It's amazing how the Bible doesn't require some textbook idiocy to prove correct. Kudos for your attempt. The copy and paste feature is wonderful, isn't it? How about using your own mind once in a while?
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

Let me take a moment here to expose your stupidity.Your excess use of words have no bearing and lack proof.Unjustified assertion. It's a good attempt but I find your statement here cumbersome and as text book as one can get.Which has absolutely no bearing on whether my statement is true or otherwise.It's amazing how the Bible doesn't require some textbook idiocy to prove correct.A bullshit statement since the Bible isn't even correct in the first place.The copy and paste feature is wonderful, isn't it?Unlike you, I actually put some thought into my arguments.How about using your own mind once in a while?Coming from a family of top notch lawyers, I am allergic to bullshit but immune to ad hominems. Try harder.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Prove I stated an unjustified assertion. You reading and getting your stupid answers from a text book shows that you are putting your faith into another man's belief. That really is pitiful. The Bible will always be correct and will stand the test of time. Why do you think it is still around now after many centuries? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to answer that one. No, you copy and paste a majority of it. I doubt you come from a family of lawyers but even if you are, most lawyers suck at what they do and are corrupt.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

Prove I stated an unjustified assertion.Simple. You made a claim without evidence. All the while taking a cheap shot at me. Well, seeing as you're the biggest ignoramus this site has had in awhile, that's probably the best you're capable of.You reading and getting your stupid answers from a text book shows that you are putting your faith into another man's belief. I don't need to put faith into another person's belief because I analyse the evidence and conduct studies on my own. How many dissertations have you written? How many degrees do you have? How many professors, Christian and non-Christian, have you ever talked to?The Bible will always be correct and will stand the test of time.Unjustified assertion.Doesn't take a rocket scientist to answer that one.Obviously, since rocket scientists generally are atheists...No, you copy and paste a majority of it.And yet, this doesn't prove my statement is wrong.I doubt you come from a family of lawyers but even if you are, most lawyers suck at what they do and are corrupt.You do realise this is the stupidest thing to say to a lawyer, right? I can easily sue you for libel.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

I do not need to give you any of my personal information but I can tell you I work in the legal field.You're right. I don't need to get it from you. I just need to file a suit.As to your dialogue, the entire dialogue is illogical because that particular pair (Matt and the atheist) made fundamental mistakes. The burden of proof is on the theist and not the atheist.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

Who says the "burden of proof" is on the theist? Positive Atheism magazine said, "One cannot prove a negative existential claim (that is, a claim that a thing does not exist)." So it would seem both sides are at an impasse as far as "logically" proving their points. Furthermore, I don't see how atheists naturally assume the "burden of proof" is on theists since "we're the ones claiming God exists." What about atheists claiming God doesn't exist? The double standard confuses me.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I don't think I could have worded that any better. Seems to be that atheists have few real argument thus they use words in an attempt to twist everything off of them.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

no the burden of proof is on theists. We say there is no god because there is no proof. That is one of our underlying reasons! your job then as a debater is to refute our argument. How do you refute this? with proof! or maybe not proof but at least valid evidence!how do atheists have little arguments? your entire case is built on the premise "god is in my life i feel him, and the bible says so"
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

This should clear it all up for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSOaSeJgvKI&list=PLA4AD71E546A83D85&index=41&feature=plpp_video
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

"1. If the Judeo-Christian God exists (henceforth referred to as "God"), He possesses the characteristics of omnipotence (all-powerful), omniscience (all-knowing and all-wise) and omnibenevolence (perfectly good and morally perfect).2. If God exists and is omnipotent, he is able to eliminate all evil and suffering.3. If God exists and is omniscient, he knows about all potential sources and occurrences of evil and suffering.4. If God exists and is omnibenevolent, he has the absolute desire to eliminate all evil and suffering.5. Evil and suffering exists."I contest premise 4. It does seem at least plausible that there exist morally sufficient reasons for God allowing evil. Alvin Plantinga used the concept of free will, for example, to justify the existence of evil, and most scholarly philosophers are satisfied by his rebuttal.It is actually up to the atheist to present evidence that suggests it is impossible for God to have morally sufficient reasons for allowing evil, a tall feat, that so far nobody has been able to argue successfully.Ergo,6. God does not exist.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Christianity

I'm not really convinced why Christians need to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. They're faith in God is for personal reasons, not to win (or lose) popularity contests.Secondly, can't that argument work both ways? Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that God doesn't exist? As far as "logical reasons," logical absolutes exist and they:1.) are conceptual by nature, not physical,2.) are not dependent upon human minds,3.) transcend space and time.The problem with your "logical problem of evil," is that you're assuming balance can exist and be maintained without good OR without evil. The two must stay in constant equilibrium and harmony. Without evil, God wouldn't exist. This argument is false. On the other hand, the problem with your evidential form of the problem of evil is that God, once again, would not exist without evil. God helps those who help themselves - He doesn't hand everything over to us on a silver-platter. No one, not even God, is simply going to carry you through life.God is all of these things, and yet evil still exists. Why? Because He made us all with free-will. We contribute to evil, not God.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

Christians need to prove god exists because they're making the claim, more specifically, they're making statements on who this god is and how it works, a whole variety of assertions that should be tested. If a swindler makes an outrageous claim, you'd want him/her to back it up, right? Same thing.Why does it matter that they believe in something that can't be verified? It wouldn't if that belief didn't impact their actions that affect others. False beliefs can encourage people to support legislation or practices that harm other's rights, example: banning gay marriage.The reason the argument doesn't work the other way for proving god doesn't exist is because it's a null position. Science alone works pretty well at explaining things so there's no reason to introduce an unnecessary concept to the picture.The rest of the argument is invalid since the concept of good and evil are defined by humans, cultures, and religions. Nature has no such concepts: the sun doesn't care that it's keeping us warm and that earthquake here or there doesn't care that it's killing people. WE define good and evil, without us they mean nothing.
Debate: Christianity or Atheism?
Side: Atheism

All atheists believe in evolutionGeneralizationwhich means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.Untrue.The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always rightYou cannot use something as a source proving that itself is right. That goes against all the rules of debate and logic.Some famous atheists have shown they occasionally have doubts about their disbelief, which proves that all atheists really do believe in God.Nothing a famous person does proves anything for everybody; and doubt by one person does not mean that all fellow doubters are equally unsure.Everybody who has ever been in the army will tell you that there are no atheists in foxholes. That is, once they are in danger of death, the atheist will strip himself of his irrational disbelief in God, and come to admit he believed in God all along.This is another generalization.Communism, which is inherently evil, is founded by atheism, and all atheists are probably secret communists.I am starting to really think that you don't really believe all this stuff. How else can one explain your idiocy here?Because we can think of the existence of God, God must obviously exists, and therefore atheists are illogical.I can think of the existence of a gigantic breast capable of eating up the planet, but that does not mean that there is in existence a gigantic breast capable of eating up the planet.Everything in the universe shows obvious and undeniable signs that it was created by a mind far superior to our own.Everything is an awful lot.no atheists contribute to charitable causes, and all Christians do. This is because of atheist's beliefs in Darwinism.I am a Christian, and I disbelieve in "charitable causes".'I really do not feel like going on any longer. Surely you get my point.