azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

My experience contradicts your claim. It wasn't until I lost my faith, that I found my joy.I find this statement interesting because you have cast the Bible aside, yet feel a need to debate aboit it. Are you not convinced?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I have cast the bible aside, but I am still intrigued with intellectual conversation. I debate about it because it strengthens my world view and brings up points that I haven't thought of before. It challenges me and tests what I think I know about this world. Although I still find no convincing evidence for a god, I still keep my eyes open. I wouldn't want to miss it if it came my way. It's not just God that I enjoy debating either. I like thinking about all kinds of things. But it all really does come down to that religious question for everybody. The core of who you are is what you believe about this world. Everything is built off of that. In debating people on religion, I feel like I get a chance to see who they really are and challenge it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

I wouldn't want to miss it if it came my waySometimes the bus stops and never comes back.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Sometimes you are sitting on a bench that isn't a bus stop.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

In this case you were sitting on a bench at a bus stop. The bus came by. You didn't hop on. Now you are keeping your eyes peeled just in case the bus comes back by.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

No. The bus never came. That's my whole point. I was waiting for a bus and there is no bus stop. You keep trying to change the metaphors to make a point. You can't just add tornadoes or buses or bridges as you please. The point is there's no reason for me to believe it. I'm still waiting for any evidence at all. You haven't shown me anything except bible quotes and the symbol of the moon.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Even if one form of Christianity was right, the majority of the world would be in sin and confusionAll Christians consider Jesus to be the savior frm sin including Mormons and JWs.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Some forms of christianity are very strict. You might not make it to heaven with just a simple belief that Jesus is God. You must do good works, go to the correct church regularly, confess your sins, and interpret the text correctly. I believe this is called separatist although I may need to look it up. So it depends on the true nature of God's judgement.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

it seems more likely that it's a trap. Like a creepy guy luring a child into a van with the promise of candy once he gets inThis statement is the equivalent of saying I'll jump out of the airplane without a parachute because there is a chance that the parachute is booby trapped. If reason enters into your mind, you grab the parachute.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Not really. It is very apparent that falling out of an airplane will kill you. Life is not so obvious. There is nothing telling me that there is an afterlife except a book that is verified by a bunch of like minded thinkers. I've jumped out of an airplane before. You know you want that parachute. But if someone walked up to me right now and told me I needed a parachute because I was falling, I would need a pretty good explanation.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Im supposed to just hop into the van because he said? Thats not a very good reason.You jump into the van because there is a tornado behind you closing in and use logic to assume that getting sucked up by the tornado isn't a logical option. If you get candy all is well. If you get in the van and die, you are no worse off.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Lol well in that case, why not just get sucked up by the tornado if Im going to die in the van? But there is no massive tornado behind me. A tornado implies it is an obvious threat. I do not see a threat. Where is the threat?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There is no reason to assume you die in the van. You can see the tornado. Earlier you were convinced of an eternal torment. That would be the allegorical tornado.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

The point of the analogy was that the van is the danger. The religious people are "the man", the candy is heaven, and subscribing to religion is the van. The argument to get into the van is not convincing enough. I see no candy, and I see no tornado. All I have to go off of is the man's word that it's true. It's a bad bet. Im not getting in the van unless someone shows me the tornado. It's not there as far as I can see.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Okay. Possible reward in the van, and if no candy there is no van or man to hurt you anyway. In this scenario candy, van and man in van must all exist or none of the three exist. Not getting in the van yields a possible tornado and most certainly doesn't lead to any candy.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

"The man" isn't god. The man is the people trying to convince me of god. Religion is the van. I know both to exist. Whether or no the man is lying is the real question. Ill take my risk with the invisible tornado rather than the creepy man.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

In this case I am not creepy, I also have no van, do have possible candy, and am more amusing than any possible tornado. I also offer meaning and purpose in said "candy" as opposed to random chaos and disorder that is simply filled with pitiless indifference.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well I don't regard you as creepy. You are not the one who is truly behind the ideology. You are simply one of those who is choosing to take the ride. I find more meaning and purpose in my own ideology. The universe makes much more sense to me without a god. If it's not the same for you that's fine. In my ideology, there is penalty for believing otherwise. If yours works for you, I will not try to take that away from you. But I am always open for discussion. I find that I have answers to many of the questions some may still be struggling with like I was. I don't mind the random chaos and disorder. There's a beauty to it just like the dark colors you so elegantly described earlier in our discussion. I have accepted the indifference to the universe and I enjoy my place in it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

The universe makes much more sense to me without a god. If it's not the same for you that's fineI'm the opposite.I find it hard to believe that nothing manifested something. Theoretical quantum fields leave me in the same intellectual flummix. So do other theoretical concepts I have heard and read. The infinite regress of causality. The Fermi Paradox. The Drake Equation. The double slit experiment. Quantum entanglement. The space time continuim. Consciousness. Etc etc make me doubt an atheist view.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Ah now you are talking more of my language. It's not that we think something came from nothing. That's never been the argument. We just don't have a way to know what came before this universe. There is no reason to assume it's a person. We could be in a universe that oscillates. It expands until a certain point, collapses on itself, and then expands again as a new one. We could be in a continuous cycle forever and ever. There could be a multiverse. The big bang might be what happens on the other side of a black hole. Each black hole could be creating a separate universe. But there is no evidence for any of these claims. They are all equally unknowable until we find some sort of hint. There is nothing to tell us what caused the big bang. Only that there was a bang. If you hear a bump in the night, you don't assume it's a ghost. There are many things that could've caused that bump even though you can't see them.And I would be willing to discuss any of those said topics in greater detail. Take your pick. Fermi Paradox? Drake Equation? Quantum Entanglement? My personal favorite is the Double Slit Experiment.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

We could be in a universe that oscillates. It expands until a certain point, collapses on itself, and then expands again as a new one. We could be in a continuous cycle forever and everOkay. Now explain how something "the oscilating universe) can exist inside of nothing. What's outside of said univrse? Can I escape if I jump off the edge?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well first you are picturing the universe as a ball inside of nothing. That's your first mistake. If space and time don't exist outside of the universe, then this is illogical. I don't have an answer for you because we haven't been to the edge yet so there's no way to know. I have two theories. 1)There really is no edge. Everything we call the edge is really just the edge of what we can observe. Perhaps it goes on forever and ever? 2) Maybe it's like the pacman simulation where if you go to one edge, you pop in on the other side. I know you are personally intrigued with the idea of the universe being a simulation. If you try to think of the universe in this sense, how could pacman ever concieve of the machine his program is running on? It wouldn't make sense to him. He would try to visualize the external world as pixels on a 2D plane because he is part of the program. there would be no way for him to ever cross over to our dimension. In the same way, we subscribe to space and time. We cannot concieve of what something would look like that isn't in space or time.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There really is no edge. Everything we call the edge is really just the edge of what we can observe. Perhaps it goes on forever and everHow can something go on forever?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Why not? Who's to say it doesn't? That could be what this whole thing is. Why would it have to be finite? Scientists only talk about what they can observe, but if you look at the observable universe, we tend to be pretty much in the center. Why? It's not that we are in the center of the universe, but we are the point of observation.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Maybe it's like the pacman simulation where if you go to one edge, you pop in on the other side.How did Pacman get into a simulation in the first place?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Not so fast, Bronto. I know where this is going. I was just using the idea of pacman going from one side to another. I am not saying that it is a perfect metaphor for reality.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Oh? This whole is reality finite or infinite thing is beyond perplexing. It will twist the mind. It is boggling. It is flummixing... Not really. Bronto can tell you how you get either one realistically if one asks....
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

It's just a theory. It doesn't boggle my mind. I have no reason to believe anything about whether the universe is infinite or finite. I only know what I have evidence for. And a designer I have no evidence for.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Last of all, he sent his son to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said.http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-37.htm"But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.'biblehub.com/matthew/21-38.htmSo they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.biblehub.com/matthew/21-39.htm"Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?"biblehub.com/matthew/21-40.htm
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”- Epicurus
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.biblehub.com/john/9-41.htm-The Gospel is counterintuitive and the opposite of what many unbelievers think it is.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I don't understand why you keep sending me bible quotes. It isn't going to do anything for me. Before I agree with the bible, you need to show that the bible is a credible source. Through my eyes, you are referencing a book that random people wrote throughout history. It was also translated several times into different languages and there may be a barrier. I would be more intrigued if you pulled a quote from a science book than the bible.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Negligentt SmellyBelly: Are you admitting that Christians dont know what good is? That is extremely dangerous dont you think? Maybe we should ban them coming to the US, especially considering they believe everyone who is not with them deserves to burn for all eternity.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Riddle me this: When does a baby get a soul? Does a sperm have a soul? How come animals don't have one? How do we know we have one but they don't?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

The baby had a soul before it was ever manifested here or "born".When sperm meets the egg there is a flash of light. Maybe it does.Maybe animals do have a soul.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

So not only do we have life after death, but life before? Extraordinary claim.If animals have souls, that opens up a whole new line of questions. Do animals have sin? Is killing an animal against the commandments? What if an animal kills another animal? I would probably stay away from that concept if I was religious because that is a pandora's box.Also I didn't know about the flash of light during conception. That is pretty fascinating.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

So not only do we have life after death, but life before? Extraordinary claim.The Bible depicts time as abstract. It says that God knew you before you were born.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

if animals have souls, that opens up a whole new line of questions. Do animals have sinNope. They don't have the understanding to know good from evil. If one did, maybe...
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

is killing an animal against the commandmentsNot in general but we are judged on our measure of mercy or lack thereof. To torture an animal probably is.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Riddle me this: What is up with all the dog breeds? Why does God allow us to breed species together? Is this wrong? Are we playing God?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Variation within kinds. Think of an avatar. There are thousand ofeyes, legs, arms, ears, etc that you can use. Your avatar has almost zero chance of looking like my avatar, yet you cannot give your avatar any characteristics that aren't available in the program. If paleantologists found my skull, Mini Me's skull, and Andre the Giant's skull, they'd say we were different species. They'd also be wrong.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Paleontologists would not say you are different species based on size alone. There is an in depth study of fossil structure in order to identify the species. If they find bone, they can look at the genetic material. If all they have is the form, they can create a mold or replica and study all of its small characteristics. They don't just eyeball it and say what they think it is. Also, humans are the ones that mix the breeds, not God. We have created our own breeds that never existed prior. And there is pretty much a 100% chance that the child will look like its parents. There isn't a random selection process like in the sims. You literally get your parent's genes. And there can be new characteristics that weren't found before. It's called mutation.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Paleontologists would not say you are different species based on size alone. There is an in depth study of fossil structure in order to identify the speciesYeah...it looks like it...https://youtu.be/Zio1ttlDjlM
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

if they find bone, they can look at the genetic materialYes, and they've found blood vessels in "dinosaur bones". Nothing odd there...
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

You literally get your parent's genes. And there can be new characteristics that weren't found before. It's called mutation.Dwarfisim and having no hand are mutations. Look down their family tree and you'll see normal looking offspring.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

You literally get your parent's genes. And there can be new characteristics that weren't found beforeThe available traits are obviously more vast in reality than the sims. Same principal though. Bacteria do all kinds of things. Never become non bacteria though, and sometimes they rotate back to the original strain. Proof of variation, not a change of kind.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Riddle me this: What is up with DID (multiple personalities)? Do these people have multiple souls? Do they go to heaven? When their other personality hurts someone, does it count as a sin?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

1)Prove they aren't faking for attention. Notice, peope with terets (spelling?) scream out curse words yet never scream out abstract words like "cake". They might even do it because they think the meds are fun or have the desire to be coddled in a mental health facility. Sometimes convicts commit a crime on purpose to go back to jail and be fed and sheltered. 2)Demon possession? Parasite aliens are very possible. If I showed you one, you'd accept it as true. If I showed you evidence of one, the same. "Visitors" that don't take physical form could be parasites.3)If it's even real, perhaps each personality is accountable only for itself.It's virtaully impossible to prove someone does or doesn't have a mental disorder. Brain damage is another debate.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

So your argument is basically that they might be faking? But you would accept demonic possession as true? Really? I would say flip the script buddy. Prove that demonic parasites or possessors exist by any evidence whatsoever. DID is definitely accepted as a psychological disorder by specialists and experts in the field. There is no discrepancy on this. It is NOT impossible to show someone has a mental disorder. That one is obvious and I won't go through the trouble proving it because I think you are in the minority on that one. There are ways to tell if someone is faking a disorder. There are also commonalities between patients. The disorder can even be overcome.And if it is real, which it is, then what about souls? If they each have souls, what happens when they disappear?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

So your argument is basically that they might be faking? But you would accept demonic possession as true? Really?You asked. I gave you theories. Whether I believe them or not is irrelevant.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Actually whether you believe them or not is the point. I don't want to sit here debating theories we both don't care about.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Prove that demonic parasites or possessors exist by any evidence whatsoeverParasites exist. The demons described in the Bible sound like parasites. They look for a host to take over the body of.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well I know parasites exist. But an invisible parasite? It is a lot more likely that it is a mental disorder than some invisible creature. There is no evidence whatsoever to say it is external.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Maybe it's subatomic and smaller than a quark, thus not detected by human eyes.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

You can say maybe all day about anything but until you have something ti show, it means nothing
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

it is NOT impossible to show someone has a mental disorderOkay. ExCon is depressed. Prove me wrong with science.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Prove you wrong with science huh? Well if you do just a little research on actual cases of DID you could easily find the answers you are looking for. There are literally real cases of mental disorders. DID is a bit complex and can take 7 years to diagnose. So if someone is faking it for some reason, they better be really dedicated and consistent.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

DID is definitely accepted as a psychological disorder by specialists and experts in the fieldSo was spontaneous generation because maggots just appeared in cow pies. It was false. At least that wasn't abstract. It was physically provably false. A mental disorder is not.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There are ways to tell if someone is faking a disorderOkay. I'm Henry the 8th.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There are ways to tell if someone is faking a disorderOkay. I'm Henry the 8th.Anyone can study the commonalities and get them down.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

If they each have souls, what happens when they disappearPerhaps they are pieces of the same soul manifesting individually. They would be judged as one soul.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

How the Big Bang might have occurredSo it's okay to have blind faith. Just not in....God.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Blind faith is belief without evidence. Faith is belief with little evidence. Accepting the Big Bang theory is coming to the logical conclusion of the most likely way the universe began based on all the evidence.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

So there was a burst of light, expansion, Earth, plants, water creatures, land creatures, and finally humans. Ancient Jews must be tremendous guessers...
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Believing in what you think is the most likely way is blind faith. Claiming to have evidence for your belief when it is still only what you think is "the most likely way" is blind faith. People only cling to that kind of belief because they know God ruling over them means they are in trouble and they hope to be exonerated in death and get out of trouble by dying.