azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Why do you choose to ignore the evidence I give you: the universe???You believe that there are people in China because they make the things that you buy. Why don't you believe that gods exist because they make the things all around you?I certain know that my god exists, because like I've been telling you, I based my belief of that god's existence in the things all around me.If you say there's a 3,000 pound monkey sitting next to you (gigling out loud), then I must believe you if you gave me believable evidence. I've been giving you very believable evidence: the amazing universe and everything in it, so harmonious, so perfect, so awe-inspiring... was it an accident that we were the perfect distance from the Sun for life to exist? Everything I learn about biology and the natural world reinforces my belief in a god. You on the other hand choose not to believe... and you have no reason other than you can't see or touch God?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"was it an accident that we were the perfect distance from the Sun for life to exist?"There's a flaw in your causation here. We are here because we are the right distance from the Sun, however, your assumption is that the Sun is the right distance away from us because we are here. We aren't the cause, we are the result.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, nit-picker, what I should have said is "was it an accident that a planet was the perfect distance from a star for life to exist?"So no, we're not the cause, we're the result, the result of God's work ;)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

And in this case I would say that adding God into the equation is about as useful as saying "1+0=1, therefore we must always take 0 into account". God isn't necessary for these things to happen.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I don't understand your mathematical equation. Is God 1 or 0?God created everything. Not your bicycle, obviously, but all the things that eventually lead to the creation of the bicycle...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

God in that equation would be the 0. We can observe the 1. 1 exists without adding 0 to it. The 0 adds nothing to the equation.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok now that I understand your point, I'll say that God created the entire equation. He created the 1 and all the other numbers and the = sign. He created the universe or whatever formed the universe or whatever formed that!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

NVYN, I've read through this entire thread, and I must say that equation is not the only thing you've missed the point of.What Rev is saying is that (for you) pretend for a moment there was no god. All of this stuff you keep naming as proof of god could still exist.So then why add god... or 0 to this equation going by Rev's argument.Your "proof" is not proof to me at all. You are simply talking about things that exist without making any logically necessary connection.It's like that movie "The God's Must Be Crazy" when the Aborigine fellow sees a Coke bottle drop out of the sky, and assumes of course it must be from god because... well just because.You sound like the Westernized version of that tribesman to me... as do all theistic people so don't take it personal.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

iamdavidh, I know what she said, but we disagree on whether that's true. She's saying it could exist without a god, but I'm saying it's more likely that a god designed it all. That's all. When I say he made the equation, I actually meant it. I mean God is the all-powerful, all-encompassing being (and I sound like a religious freak, but in fact I don't know most of the koran or any other religious text and I haven't stepped into a temple or church or sinagogue for a long long time).Loved the movie The Gods must be crazy back then. But think about your example, if i'm that tribesman then you must be in my tribe, and if I thought that bottle was from God and you couldn't explain it any other way with all the knowledge you had, then how do we know God doesn't exist?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Okay, you've completely missed my point. Because what you've written here is nonsensical when referencing the argument.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, I'll say it more clearly i suppose:- you say the universe formed all on its own = 1- I say God made the number 1 (and any other numbers and symbols) which means he enabled the universe to happen all on its own.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You are still missing the point, what rev is trying to say is: why do you even need to put god in the equation?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

... wait I think you're on to something. Let me put out this god census...Sorry, no replies.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

You saying God doesn't exist, doesn't make it so. Back up your words with solid proof. Can't be done, to claim there is no God is just one man's uneducated opinion. Means little here and less to the rest of the world.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You saying God does exist, doesn't make it so. Back up your words with solid proof. Can't be done, to claim there is a God is just one man's uneducated opinion. Means little here and less to the rest of the world.See, I can do that too.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Who are you? Just a figure of my imagination, I guess. Remember, you don't exist. Is iamdavidh a god? Of coarse not, surely a god would be more original. Resentment in his tone, only the guy who shines God's shoes. Do better and he might tip you the next time.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

This is ridiculous. I repeat your exact argument simply changing "does" to "doesn't"And now the argument is invalid right?Ridiculous. If my argument is invalid, so is yours, that's simple logic. Go back to ignoring me again please.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Didn't say my argument was valid. Try to come up with a better come back next time. Want a valid reason, I will give you one that Pascal gave for God's existence. "The heart has reasons which reason knows not of." Now you can argue with Pascal.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Look at this logically. How can there just 'be' an omnipotent being, without first knowing, with proof, where he came from and how his power came to be. Why should he not cease to exist, you say? You''re minds keep Him alive, and only that.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Oh and he exists whether your mind keeps him alive or not.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I'm gonna use lawnman's example of electrons and atoms and say that you can't see these things nor know where they come from, but they exist nonetheless!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

At NVYN (again):We know that atoms and electrons exist because we can see their effects. We can measure them. We can even probe them using atomic force microscopy.This isn't the case with god. No matter how much you pray, or search, there just isn't a shed of evidence to show he's there. In lieu of this people resort to personal experiences like "I feel him!" or "I saw him!" or miracles. But these are all easily explained by our suggestibility, our biases in filtering information, among other flaws in the way we sense things.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I've probably said already somewhere else in this debate that just because something can't be seen nor doesn't want to be seen doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm sure you can think of a few examples where this is true. We're talking about the being that created the universe! We have 5 senses, anything beyond those 5 senses we'll be completely oblivious to...
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

I told you in the earlier reply:Things we cannot see can be validated by the effects they have, which can be measured.God has no effect upon the universe.You're just automatically assuming god exists without evidence, then explaining why we can't obtain evidence. This is the opposite of reasoning.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

God has no effect upon the universe except the effect that he created it... how do you measure that?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

When you debate a subject, or a concept, you define the concept, its constraints, unless it is well-known enough that you do not have to. You then provide evidence for your position, because the facts are what make or break a case. You then try to explain the evidence, and conclusions the facts imply which support you.What you have done is different. You make an assumption (God is real, created the universe, created everything in its present form), and you present no evidence. When pressed you do not provide evidence, but insist that evidence cannot be gathered because "god" is beyond our ability to experience evidence for. When pressed further you restate one of your assumptions as a fact that supports your other assumptions.Your entire position is based upon assumptions which simultaneously must act as facts to support each other. You have nothing supporting your viewpoint.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, have it your way:Concept: God is the being that had always existed and created everything.Constraints: God cannot be sensed by our humanly senses, or if we could sense God it appears that God doesn't want any contact with us. Using reasoning alone we have faith in God's existence.Evidence: The existence of matter and the set of rules that govern how everything relate to everything else to form the universe and everything in it. In other words, the existence of order.Reasonings: The existence of matter - Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else.Order - There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"God cannot be sensed by our humanly senses, or if we could sense God it appears that God doesn't want any contact with us. Using reasoning alone we have faith in God's existence."Faith and reasoning do not go together. Besides if god cannot be detected, then parsimony dictates that god isn't necessary."The existence of matter and the set of rules that govern how everything relate to everything else to form the universe and everything in it. In other words, the existence of order."This is evidence of a universe, not of god. Remember you said that god cannot be detected, so therefore no positive evidence can exist of god, by definition."Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else."Parsimony again dictates that you are simply arguing for eternal matter and energy, with god being superfluous. This is already covered by the first law of thermodynamics, which needs no god."There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness."We may have models which describe and predict nature, and those models may be very accurate, but always remember that the universe isn't bound to our models, our models are bound to nature.Besides, quantum mechanics shows that the universe is deeply chaotic at microscopic levels.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

if god cannot be detected, then parsimony dictates that god isn't necessaryNot necessary when? God created the universe, so if God didn't, then parsimony says we wouldn't be here. So God is necessary for the universe to exist.EvidenceYou can't detect his existence, but you can see the universe and its order and deduce his existence.Parsimony again dictates that you are simply arguing for eternal matter and energy, with god being superfluous. This is already covered by the first law of thermodynamics, which needs no god.God is eternal, but I never said God is matter. He made matter, applied energy and gave all of it rules. How does thermodynamics (a study of one of the components of Gods universe) prove that God is not required? You are becoming very illogical.And finally, I'm not convinced that there is chaos at all.... microscopic or not. I mean just because we haven't worked out the rule, doesn't mean the rule isn't there. We're discovering new constants and behaviors all the time in nature.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"Not necessary when? God created the universe, so if God didn't, then parsimony says we wouldn't be here. So God is necessary for the universe to exist."When confronted with two nearly identical propositions, such as "god created the universe from eternal matter" and "the universe was always existing in some form of eternal matter" parsimony dictates that "god" is superfluous because it is an assumption with no justification, and only makes the explanation it is tied less likely to be true because it adds one more assumption that must be true for the explanation to be correct.Parsimony is related to occam's razor.Finally, you just asserted without justification that god created the universe. There is no evidence of this, and asserting god's requirement as you just did does not logically follow."You can't detect his existence, but you can see the universe and its order and deduce his existence."This sentence self contradicts. If you can't detect god's existence, then you can't deduce anything about god, period. Just as we cannot deduce anything about parallel universes or even if they exist."God is eternal, but I never said God is matter. He made matter, applied energy and gave all of it rules. How does thermodynamics (a study of one of the components of Gods universe) prove that God is not required? You are becoming very illogical."You're creating a strawman of my position. I said that thermodynamics dictates that matter and energy are eternal, therefore needing no god to create them.Your reasoning is similar to insisting that in addition to electricity powering a lightbulb, god must be involved somehow "because it's god's creation." You take a simple scientific proposition and needlessly insert god into it with no justification."And finally, I'm not convinced that there is chaos at all.... microscopic or not. I mean just because we haven't worked out the rule, doesn't mean the rule isn't there. We're discovering new constants and behaviors all the time in nature."Quantum mechanics doesn't support a hidden variable. This has been negated by experimentation. It really is random, but don't take my word for it, read a college text on the subject.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

When confronted with two nearly identical propositions, such as "god created the universe from eternal matter" and "the universe was always existing in some form of eternal matter" parsimony dictates that "god" is superfluousWho said matter is eternal? Matter is finite. Time is finite. Space is finite. God, on the other hand is eternal.If you can't detect god's existence, then you can't deduce anything about god, period.Why can't you deduce? Check this out (again): Matter cannot come from nothingness, yet here we all are. So it follows that matter was created. We all call this creator God.You're creating a strawman of my position. I said that thermodynamics dictates that matter and energy are eternal, therefore needing no god to create themWell, I said that God is eternal and God created everything else.Then you said: "Parsimony again dictates that you are simply arguing for eternal matter and energy, with god being superfluous". Where did I say matter and energy are eternal? If I didn't say it and also didn't mean it, don't make it up.The other thing is I don't believe that God cares for the nitty gritty little things like lighting a lightbulb. But I could be wrong.It really is random, but don't take my word for it, read a college text on the subject.Just give me one thing that is random in this universe. One thing.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

this question cant really answer much because its the believes of someone and the opinion of someone.you can't really tell or show that there's a god, there's no proof of neither, either you believe in it or not it's not really something that matters in the life of humans
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

It matters a great deal to a lot of people (especially the fanatically religious). Some people strap bombs to themselves and blow others up for what they believe to be the calling of their gods. Others reach out to others and help and give try to live a life that's unselfish because they believe it would please their gods. So it actually matters a lot. It matters so much some give their lives. It makes me think, if we can answer this question conclusively, what would happen? Should we make this a new topic for debate?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

no gods don't exist it is our faith in them we beleive in them because we think they solve all our problems when there is no one to help us whereas in real life this does not happen but since we have prayed and what we want has happened we think they exist that makes them come alive in our minds
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

They're the product of human imagination soooooooooooo...............no.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: Not sure

i am torn between believing in him and not having faith. in one case, you have to think; where did the world come from and how did we get here if no one put us here. but on the other hand, we look at all the bad things that happen to Haiti, the children there and the same in Chile. and we also look at these little innocent children that are getting cancer and tumors, and they have done nothing.therefore, i am on the boarder of believing and not.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: clarification

if i'm hearing you correctly, you're asking:"why would a god who claims to be good and all-powerful allow evil?if he was all-powerful, he CAN prevent evil, and if he's good, he WANTS to prevent evil, so how can he be both if evil exists?"
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

For some answers, you can some here:http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html But basically, there's more good in the world than evil, God is the almighty and we're his subjects and can't see all of his plans... etc...The other thing is death isn't bad either, it's a part of life like birth and everything else, you can't escape it. Everyone must die, some die of old age, others die while doing things they love, others die accidentally, it's how you live that really matters, it's how we live that separates us because death comes to us all and in death we are all the same!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

Death does not exist. Only the transfer of energy from human to nature. When you die you become part of the ecosystem your body decays into.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

if death doesn't exist, life doesn't exist either, because death is the end of life.does life exist? what is life?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

Life exists without death. You are alive right now arnt you? Life is whatever current state you are in. Weither that is a tree or a air moleclue or a human being. They are all forms of a working system.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

ok, so death is the beginning of another journey? The journey of transferring energy back into the ecosystem and becoming something else later on? So it's not a bad thing and we shouldn't think of it as a reason to not believe in God?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

God merely exists in peoples beliefs. Without people, or more accurately believers, he would not exist nor be known of. Period.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Touche. He is an idea. That's all................................
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

If all humans suddenly ceased to exist my bicycle would still exist, a house would still exist, light would still exist, animals would still exist. All these things could be sensed by another animal. BECAUSE THOSE THINGS EXIST WITH OR WITHOUT HUMANS! An animal could not sense god because he doesn't exist.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

So a human being who doesn't want to be seen nor met, and can't be seen nor met ... doesn't exist? That's a fallacy and even you know that. Just as an example, say I've done some work on earth, but now I just want to disappear so I take my self-sustaining spaceship and put in the coordinates for the next galaxy. No-one knows about me or can see or meet or hear me or contact me, but they can only see my work. Does that mean I don't exist?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Some animals can't see colors, does that mean colors don't exist?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Yes, God is an idea. But this idea is more believable than the idea that the universe materialized from nothingness.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

That's not true! God made us all, God made the universe. So without us and the universe, God still exists!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Where is your evidence that god made us all, the universe and that he exists?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

The evidence is inferred by the fact that the universe is complex. The watchmaker theory.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Which I debunked for you. ..................................................
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

and I already debunked you back!... God created the universe, and then you have a choice of:1 - noone else create God or2 - another being created God and someone else create that being and so on and so forth.Both of which means God exist, and perhaps other beings above him!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: Agnostic FTW

Maybe? Maybe not? Humans are not capable of grasping what is beyond their senses and seeing as the idea of a God is beyond what they can comprehend it is pointless to speculate.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: YES

God exists or he does not exist; there is no maybe about it.The assertion that the existence of God is a maybe yes/no is an error in logic. Do you care to consider an explanation of my judgment?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: Agnostic FTW

Ummm, go for it?Information is no good if you keep it to yourself.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

The law of the excluded middle termSimplified, it teaches us that two contradictory propositions cannot both be both true and false, simultaneously. One must be false and the other true. For example:1) God exists.2) God exists not.As logical propositions they contradict one another; both cannot be false, both cannot be true, only one is true and its contradictory must be false. Bare in mind I have briefly addressed this principle, there is much more to it.A priori knowledge/justificationThere are two basic forms of knowledge: a priori and a posteriori.While there is much debate about the distinction of the two forms, ‘a priori’ knowledge is acquired by reason alone. And ‘a posteriori’ knowledge is acquired from scientific experiment. Now back to the question of this debate: “Do gods exist?”The existence of god is not discovered by scientific experiment. There is no experiment to affirm or deny the existence of god. The existence of god is a conclusion of reason alone. Ergo, any argument for or against the existence of god is ‘a priori’ knowledge/justification. And hence is not subject to scientific proof. (There are many resources available on the internet addressing the principles I have addressed.)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

There is only one all powerful being on this world, and that is Man.We have created life: Synthetic Viruses.We are self aware.We are capable of knowing anything except what happens after death, and I believe that is the root of the debate. If we could answer that question then the existence of a God would be either proven or dis-proven.Still, consider this:No one currently alive has ever spoken to either God or Jesus. (deluded imaginings do not qualify as conversations)The Bible was written by men who never met Jesus or God, and frequently and reliably contradicts itself.The existence of God implies the existence of Magic, which is a ludicrous idea.An all knowing, perfect creature would be incapable of creating imperfection, i.e man.Anyone who believes in a traditional God is either an indoctrinated child, or a feeble-minded Cretin, incapable of logic or individual thought.