Debate: First gay couple on disney channel
Side: It's about time

Not really, right from the beginning my main thesis was that the dichotomy "you either chose to be A or A is inborn", is false because there are other possible alternatives. I just didn't spell it out like that because to me the implication seemed obvious.You did spell it out and you were wrong in the way you did it. Now you are just passing it off as fact.Your every sentence twists everything I say several times.I said that it's false that every addiction has a genetic link.I did not claim some addiction has a genetic link, I only suggested that, contrary to your claims, gayness does not have these special qualities which set it apart form drug addiction and which do not allow using my logic with regard to it, the way I use it regarding drug addiction. I.e. i was countering your argument that "unlike with being gay, you have to first try a drug to become an addict" with "just like with gayness, we can speculate about an inborn aptitude which might compel someone to try taking some drug".Great, you don't understand what I say, and now you don't understand what you say.I never said it's normal for teenagers to have homosexual urges. I said these urges can take placeThese contradict each other.These teens may also try to bang a lifeless object or an animal - does that mean they were born with fetishism or bestiality? Certainly not.Again, brushed off as fact.Well, the first is much worse because it obviously opens tons of opportunities for perverts. The law doesn't contain special age restrictions, so an 18-year-old dude may claim he feels he's "female" and get a ticket for unlimited voyeurism in girls' toilets.What the hell do you think goes on in bathrooms?Its wording is not perfect, but the intention is right. At least it will prevent indoctrination of teens with the "born this way" bullshit.Worthless.The answers were all there in my reply:1. Becoming gay is giving up because the person is choosing to stop resisting the pressure of society and takes up the path of "least resistance". He makes a sissy out of himself, just to solve psychological problems - but this is not the solution. Maybe I didn't elaborate enough on this: if a man takes every concept of society to be true, he may come to a point when he receives the implied message "you are not a man" - under certain circumstances.While many of these concepts are stupid and are not really about masculinity.2. So, the social norms to be broken are the ones which project social concepts of masculinity. That doesn't mean not being masculine, it just means being anarchist towards society if it demands too much. By demands here I mean implicit demands. This is more about the situation in Russia.Another important fact: there are still some tribes left in the world, whose society is that of prehistoric times. In those of them which do not link availability of females with performance during hunting - there is no homosexuality.Interesting, that looks completely different than your previous response:"You had suggested it's "tough being straight" for me. While that's not true for me,it's quite possibly true for others. The path of least resistance can lead someone to becoming gay.But it's actually "tough being straight" for these guys, because society imposes too many contradicting demands on "real men". Instead of making childish decisions, these guys should make it tough for society to impose anything on them, i.e. take the fight back. Being masculine is one thing, but abiding by all of society's norms is another."Plus, your least resistance thing doesn't make any sense because you have arbitrary rules on what to resist.I don't do it, and the new Russian law does not provide punishment for being gay.Thank you for pointing that out. Good thing I said that before you repeated it.However it's true that stopping the "born this way" indoctrination is just part of the solution. Teaching men to resist social projections is the other important part, and of course this is not mainstream in Russia.The social projections? In America we recognize that it is normal to be straight, and we don't care if you aren't. You sound as if you guys hear something about being gay and assume everyone thinks that's the normal thing to be. You are blowing it way out of proportion.