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Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Rights are there to be taken or claimed so if you have a right to unemployment benefit as a citizen one would assume you would be unemployedSince this right is limited to a certain group of people rather than everyone, why don’t you call it a privilege? this applies to all citizens who are unfortunate enough to be unemployed.Would the idle wealthy also receive unemployment benefits, or are they the wrong class for this Right?you're definitely trolling nowI’m really not. I am trying to understand how you conceive of Rights differently thanPrivileges. So far, you have described them in essentially the same way. Privileges are for anyone who is in a particular group and Rights are for everyone…if you are in a particular group. I tried to ask about Rights that are actually for everyone, universally, and you said you haven’t thought about it. It seems to me that you believe only in Privileges but you call them rights. Since that is somewhat absurd, I am asking questions in the hopes that you will reduce the apparent absurdity. BTW when you say you're asking in your own words what do you mean ?If I simply quoted what you said, and then asked for clarification, you won’t know how I am understanding your original statement. If a re-word what you said in a way that makes more sense to me, and you confirm that it means the same thing as what you intended, then we can be more assured that effective communication has occurred.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Every citizen in the country is entitled to a right if they meet the criteria as in the example I gave ; I've already given the definition of a privilege several times . Your next point is ridiculous to say the least and incidentally every citizen over here gets a state pension regardless of private income or pension plans and that includes the rich .You're entitled to free parking over here if you're handicapped it's a right by law , I suppose non handicapped people should have free parking as well otherwise using your logic it's a privilege. How totally disengeous of you to claim I described them in the same way .... you say .... privileges are for anyone in a particular group and rights are for everyone ... correct , you then add in ....if you're in a particular group ... when you genuinely know otherwise ; a privilege is not available to all members of society but is restricted to a chosen few in society , some members of society may enjoy a right others are excluded or denied these rights as in members of parliament are granted certain rights that are not available to the common man .If absurdity is present it's in your refusal to accept the difference , this is why I thought you were trolling .Ok , that's fair enough, I've explained my position and if you still feel effective communication has not taken place well that does not bode well for future communication .
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

Every citizen in the country is entitled to a right if they meet the criteriaThis is the same as saying that not every person is entitled since not every person will meet the criteria. A right that is only afforded to those who meet the criteria, is a privilege according to your own definition. “A privilege would be a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group”. How else do you determine a group but with criteria?Your next point is ridiculous to say the least and incidentally every citizen over here gets a state pension regardless of private income or pension plans and that includes the richDo the rich collect unemployment? You're entitled to free parking over here if you're handicapped it's a right by law , I suppose non handicapped people should have free parking as well otherwise using your logic it's a privilege“A privilege would be a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group”. Handicap parking is a privilege by your logic.How totally disengeous of you to claim I described them in the same way .... you say .... privileges are for anyone in a particular group and rights are for everyone ... correct , you then add in ....if you're in a particular groupPerhaps now you see why I kept asking questions. I am not being disingenuous here. Handicap people are a group, as are the unemployed. Not everyone has the privilege of parking in a handicap spot, that’s a privilege reserved for a group.Would you find it less disingenuous if I had add “if you meet the criteria” rather than “if you’re in a particular group”? All I did, was repeat what you said in different language. members of parliament are granted certain rights that are not available to the common manCan anyone run for parliament? What criteria must be met for a person to be considered a member of parliament?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Oh dear , your problem seems to be one of definitions which you somehow are getting very confused on , my advice to you is to go the legal route and challenge the constitution of my country and insist they replace the ' problematic ' word right with your preferred term privilege ; feel free to use the arguments you used here , if successful you may even challenge your own bill of rights and have it changed to bill of privileges ....... so the right to bear arms is now a privilege.... good luck with that
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

Can anyone run for parliament?Do the rich collect unemployment?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

You really need to start your campaign in your own country as six states have No Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms , which makes it a privilege using your criteria .... keep me informed as to the outcome 👌
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

using your criteriaPlease keep in mind that I have only been using your criteria throughout this entire thread. My criteria is listed elsewhere on this debate. I know my thoughts on the matter very well. They differ from yours. Your last two posts amount to giving up. You cannot distinguish rights for those who meet the criteria as something different from privileges for those who meet the criteria, so you have stopped trying. When you appeal to authority (on the assumption that your constitution is using your definition), then you haven't not declared yourself to be correct, you have declared your constitution to be as inconsistent as yourself.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Your criteria is your criteria so if it suits you use it , you thoughts differ so what ? My last two posts were certainly not giving up but issuing you a challenge which no doubt you will refuse , again it's not an appeal to authority it's a challenge to you and my definitions of the two terms are reasonable and correct making you incorrect and the one to be totally inconsistent and bordering on irrationally. Just for you again .....All citizens of a country are granted certain rights under the constitution , rights are there to be taken or claimed they are not automatically granted and are fundamental in nature .A privilege is a special benefit not available to all members of society and is restricted to a chosen few , many are denied and indeed excluded these privileges.Also I take by your silence it should now be reworded as the privilege of bearing arms ?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

and my definitions of the two terms are reasonable and correct making you incorrect and the one to be totally inconsistent and bordering on irrationallyWell, that's a thoroughly supported position Dermot. Good job. If your challenge was for me to go to your country and correct the foundations of your government, and then correct the issues within my own, you are correct that I will decline. That doesn't make your definitions consistent.With your definitions, neither rights nor privileges apply to everyone. So when you say that healthcare should be a right, you are not saying anything different than healthcare should be a privilege. With my definitions, which I have not presented in this post, Healthcare cannot possibly be a right (fundamentally), even if it provided to everyone by the government. But I digress. This whole thread isn't about how I am right, it's about how you are wrong.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

I know , my definitions are fine and understood by most .Yes you still fail to understand the difference between my two definitions that's clear , with your definition healthcare cannot be a right but your definition is just that your definition with no further implication . The whole thread is about how you fail to understand terms simply explained which seems to be the norm ; by the way you have a habit of declaring yourself the winner of every encounter when it's rarely the case
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

by the way you have a habit of declaring yourself the winner of every encounter when it's rarely the caseIt's often the case. With you it is always the case. You fall apart and start repeating yourself when my questions make it apparent that your position is incoherent. Saying that "most" would understand is an appeal to populism. It is a type of appeal to authority. I won't ask you the difference again, but if you can answer the following, I may change my position:How do you group people without using criteria?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Often the case , that's funny you normally call people who beat you retarded as you've done twice in the last week 😊 Repeating myself says the man who is a master at it 😊Saying most means exactly that as most understand certain terms  I think I given you three hammerings now not couting this one 😊Changing your position is something you always do to avoid the usual scenario which is yet another solid defeat
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

I try not to call someone retarded if I think they are actually retarded Dermot.How do you group people without using criteria?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Thats so you isn't it ? I try not to call someone a special needs person it I think they are actually special needs Amarel . I no longer wonder why you constantly misunderstand nearly every argument put by me and others to you , it's just your natural state How do you misunderstand the difference between two simple terms repeatedly ?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

How do you group people without using criteria?No answer from you.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

How do you misunderstand repeatedly the difference between two simple terms ? No answer from you .
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

Yours is either a rhetorical question, because I haven't misunderstood, or a bad question, because if I have misunderstood then I wouldn't know the answer. There's your answer.Your turn:How do you group people without using criteria?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Incorrect , it's asking you a direct question as you fail to recognise the difference between two terms ; the two work adequately for Europeans but as you're American there's obviously alternative definitions that suit your peculiar mindset .Your turn : How do you repeatedly fail to comprehend the difference between two simple terms ?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

How do you repeatedly fail to comprehend the difference between two simple terms ?I fail to comprehend the difference between these two simple terms, because I don't know how to group people without using criteria. Until now I thought it couldn't be done. But you said that I am irrational and confused. I didn't know that until now either. Hopefully I can be made less confused with the answer to my recent question.How do you group people without using criteria?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Yes you fail to comprehend the definition of the two meanings because you have alternative definitions for the two terms which suit your agenda as in a sizeable amount of Americans deeming healthcare a privilege rather than a fundamental human right . Your alternative meanings have thankfully no influence in Europe on the accepted meanings of the two terms maybe it's time you guys caught up ? How do you repeatedly fail to understand the difference between the two terms ?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

You are actually not going to answer my question. The answer to my question would completely show me to be as confused as you say. But you won't answer it. I think that pretty much wraps things up here. I'll let you have the last word.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

But I have repeatedly , if you cannot see the difference between the two terms .......All citizens of a country are granted certain rights under the constitution , rights are there to be taken or claimed they are not automatically granted and are fundamental in nature .A privilege is a special benefit not available to all members of society and is restricted to a chosen few , many are denied and indeed excluded these privileges.A privilege can be revoked. By contrast, a right is irrevocable .Yes I'm through , I don't mind at all if you have anything further to add .
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

in your own country as six states have No Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear ArmsYou're out of your depth here Dermot. You don't understand the principle of Incorporation or the Supremacy Clause, nor how they apply to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Nor does your misunderstanding of Rights and Privileges allow you to understand the basis from which this kind of Right could arise. To you it is as arbitrary as any other law or privilege.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

I'm actually not , but I do know you will attempt to bullshit your way out as usual.I understand rights and privileges quiet well and know the difference , your problem is you're American and you do not as most of yous do not even understand the second amendment and are still arguing about it , so I cannot blame you really as it seems to be a trait that's inherited
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

your problem seems to be one of definitionsThat's true. I do have a problem with the definitions you are using, that's why I keep seeking clarification.You think that handicap parking is a right, even though not everyone can park there. You think that Parliamentary benefits are a privilege, even though any citizen who meets the criteria could be a member. You could just as easily say that Parliamentary benefits are rights that are provided to all citizens who meet the criteria and handicap parking is a privilege for those few people who are handicapped.It is not coherent to say that everyone has a right but only if you meet certain criteria, and then distinguish this notion from a privilege which everyone has, but only if they meet certain criteria.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Yes true , well get your own definitions then as these work for me and others , then again whats the point if you cannot differentiate between the two ? So you see the right to bear arms as a privilege and would favour it worded this way ?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

So you see the right to bear arms as a privilege and would favour it worded this way ?No clarifying question that I have asked can be taken to mean that I am of this opinion. If you want to question me on my thoughts concerning this matter, don't pretend that I hold your definitions in mind. I have rejected them.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

You cannot tell the difference between a right and a privilege and if you have your own definitions so be it , so you are trolling after all as what I stated simply below is plainly and simply put and the difference is apparent to most , All citizens of a country are granted certain rights under the constitution , rights are there to be taken or claimed they are not automatically granted and are fundamental in nature .A privilege is a special benefit not available to all members of society and is restricted to a chosen few , many are denied and indeed excluded these privileges.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

so you are trolling after allNo Dermot. I was challenging your position using clarifying questions. This is a debate website.what I stated simply below is plainly and simply put and the difference is apparent to mostYet you can't articulate it. not automatically granted and are fundamental in natureHere is another inconsistency. You believe that Rights are things that are granted to some (those who meet the criteria), and privileges are things that are granted to some. Repeating yourself will not make you right Dermot.A privilege is a special benefit not available to all members of society and is restricted to a chosen few , many are denied and indeed excluded these privilegesMany are denied parking in handicap spots. You know that right?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

It is a debate website your clarifying questions were addressed I did articulate it several times your failure to comprehend is something you need to think about Why not use the two definitions as i posted them ? I was right from the start , the repeating is for you as I suspected from the start and said it , you're trolling A privilege is a special benefit normally as a reward for or conditional upon good behaviourHealthcare is recognised as a fundamental European right , its the US and a majority of its citizens typically that sees healthcare as a privilege which in the year 2017 is rather embarrassing for a country which makes a lot of bold claims about itself .
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

You said they were different but then described something that is the same. No?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

They are different and I certainly did not describe something that is the same , I get the feeling you're merely trolling now .....
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

I’m not trolling. I posted this to draw you back to a conversation I thought you may be neglecting.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

No , I was not neglecting anything as well you know , why not read back my earlier statements as you seem confused
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

I've not thought about rights that belong to everyoneAs promised I have bookmarked this for later.Rights are a moral concept that provide a basis for what individuals should respect in other individuals (their rights), and what the government must respect in it's people. All Rights are derived from or in support of the right to ones life, which everyone has unless or until they forfeit it. Rights do not require any positive action on the part of anyone else. If they did, then you could morally demand that others do things for you (such as provide you with healthcare, or pick your cotton).Special benefits provided for you by your government, such as welfare, healthcare, or free parking for the handicapped are all privileges. As are certain benefits of public office, such as the governors mansion.Recap: Rights belong to all full citizens and require nothing from anyone else. Privileges are special benefits or perks, and often require funding from someone else. Healthcare cannot be a right as it must be funded by someone else. Labeling things Rights that are actually privileges, resulted from socialistic philosophies that have appropriated the language of enlightenment philosophies and is the cause of much confusion in common political discourse.Any clarifying questions?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

It's is not just I labelling what you call special priviliges rights but the entire European union and its code regarding basic fundamental human rights , healthcare is indeed a right for me and others as are many other what you deem privileges .I don't know what you have against socialistic philosophies if progressive measures like universal healthcare are the results of its labours and long may it continue .No clarifying questions , I will continue to avail of the fundamental human rights so many Americans are denied , putting Americans in a rather embarrassing group of countries with regressive policies regarding basic human rights
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

It's is not just I labelling what you call special priviliges rightsThen it isn't just you who is incorrect. Congratulations.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Well actually we are the ones with the rights that yous are denied making you in actual fact incorrect because these rights are in our collective constitutions as rights and not privileges ; so congratulations I've proved you incorrect yet again ....zing
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

I've never met anyone more fond of appealing to authority than you. You would have made a great SS soldier. "Hitler says I'm right so that must make you wrong, Jew. Zing".This is why asking you questions that force you to clarify your position doesn't work. You aren't thinking for yourself.
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

That's remarkable as I haven't done so yet thus your continued confusion , I'm telling what is fact in European law which again you say is wrong so Amarel must be right ... zing I directed you to what European thought on rights are as you don't believe me or for that matter European law makers you are the true Hitlerite ...zing Amarel says he's right so all those pesky European constitutional law makers are wrong , leaving you once again incorrect... zing My position was clarified and it's the European position and it works beautifully for all but Americans who have a bill of . .. privileges Regressive American mouthpieces are thinking for you .
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

My position was clarified and it's the European position and it works beautifully for all but Americans who have a bill of . .. privilegesIt does? Last I checked, you had little military power without America and you had a refugee/immigration crisis on your hands. Wonderful politics there. Do you like getting kicked in the nuts too?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

We need military power why ?We have a refugee crisis in Ireland 🙀 Wow ! Thanks fir the heads up 👌Way to miss the whole point of this entire thread 😢
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: Healthcare is a privilege.

Still hooked on emoticons I see dermot. What, are you a literal 12 year old child?
Debate: Healthcare - Right Or Privilege
Side: I have a right to healthcare

Incorrect yet again , if you care to pay attention I only use them on the site idiots such as you and other American religious loonies .Incidentally it's rather telling that an idiot such as you who constantly types ' checkmate ' at the end of most of his inane rants accuses others of what they demonstrate namely the intellectual level of an American 12 year old 🙀