azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Yes! An animal has a life- they only live once just like humans. I don't know why anyone would say that they don't have the same value. I get it- they're animals and live in the out doors but this is saying that I'm better than a person because of something that really doesn't matter like skin color or clothing.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Why no "bugs of fishes"? Can I include birds?If this is you trying to find more evidence to support zoophilia, then forget aboot it. A child's life has the same value as that of an adult, doesn't mean having sex with one should be legal.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

We are not talking about sex at all please if you want to talk about that than make a debate about it or something.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Think of it: the earth can survive fine without humans, nothing that much will change and things may even improve because no more humans are destroying the animals' homes and polluting their water. However, say all species of sharks disappear. The ecosystem will be imbalanced for quite a while, and may even just collapse. Humans are just animals that live not in a natural habitat, but in an artificial area.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You honestly believe that if all humans were to suddenly disappear, it would be fine? By your argument about sharks, I believe you do understand that the ecosystem isn't exactly elastic enough. Thus, your claim seems oddly inconsistent with itself.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

I'd rather save someone I like than an animal.I'd rather save an animal than someone I hate.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Well said.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You aren't attracted to fish and bugs?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

The Topic Question:Does a animal have the same value as a human?The response:In most cases, a human organs are worth a great deal more than an animal's organs, so from that perspective, humans are a lot more valuable than animals.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

From an economical perspective this is true, but from a biological perspective how do you value the organs of humans and animals?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

The only reason human organs are worth more is because to us as a species we can only function with our set of organs.... If you were a squirrel, assuming they were capable of thinking about this topic, you would prefer a squirrel's organs. Also its unfair to consider ourselves as superior. Religious beliefs aside, the only reason we believe ourselves better than that of a wild animal is because we are the dominate species and we would rather focus on ourselves as a species than another one...
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

The only reason human organs are worth more is because to us as a species we can only function with our set of organs.... Duh.If you were a squirrel, assuming they were capable of thinking about this topic, you would prefer a squirrel's organs.That's moot.Also its unfair to consider ourselves as superior. That's ok, because we are superior regardless of whether we consider it or not. :)Religious beliefs aside, the only reason we believe ourselves better than that of a wild animal is because we are the dominate species and we would rather focus on ourselves as a species than another one...I don't understand how any of this refutes my point. :)
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Fair enough, just wanted to add my personal belief to the debate.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

They have value, but not as much as humans. Sorry.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

How it is because of them that we don't have to go though painful testing and we were able to have the gold rush and have stop many of bombs from going off. They help with the sick they keep us happy and also they make more jobs plus if it wasn't for monkeys we wouldn't be here.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Don't apologize for speaking the truth. That's the way the world works. This dog 'lover' needs to learn that.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Stop trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

In what way? How are we measuring value?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Value is an idea we create and apply to the world around us; it does not exist outside of our conception of it. The way we treat non-human animals strongly indicates that, on average, we do not value them the same.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I don't know about you but I value them the same and maybe even more.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

This is not a refutation of my point. Try again.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Determining the value of something organic with any other criterion other than morality is beyond the capacity of those present. How can we assess the ecological significance of any particular organism to the fullest extent? There is no conceivable means we could use to determine the entirety of the effects any particular living creature has on worldly affairs. Given this, we must approach the question as if applies to moral value. This is a much easier question, as life other than our own intrinsically has none. Morality is a product of human faculties, meaning that the only organisms capable of possessing value are humans. Therefor, humans have greater value than other animals.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I agree with everything you have said, but feel you made something of a premature leap to your conclusion. Morality is a byproduct of human faculties, but this alone does not immediately mean that humans have greater value. That we do not ascribe equal value to animals through our moral perspectives means that human have greater value (and this truth is borne out by how we treat other animals).
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Morality is a byproduct of human faculties, but this alone does not immediately mean that humans have greater value. Logical deduction can lead to no other conclusion.-Morality (and therefor moral value) exists as a byproduct of human faculties-Human faculties are exclusive to humans-Animals lack human faculties (apologies for the tautology, but it seemed necessary) -Animals lack morality(and therefor moral value) The only elements of morality that apply to animals are those born out of our relationship to property(which admittedly is a very significant element, indeed I'd go so far as to say the most important, but this isn't something intrinsic and is only applied on a case-by-case basis)That we do not ascribe equal value to animals through our moral perspectives means that human have greater valueIf morality is an objective absolute (which I advocate as the correct premise), then moral perspective as it seems to be applied here is a meaningless criterion for the establishment of any conclusion to the question.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Logical deduction can lead to no other conclusion.I agree with you up until your observation that because animals cannot self-ascribe moral value they lack it entirely. Humans are fully capable of projecting moral value/judgement onto non-human entities and objects, including animals.If morality is an objective absolute (which I advocate as the correct premise), then moral perspective as it seems to be applied here is a meaningless criterion for the establishment of any conclusion to the question.Herein lies the crux of our disagreement. I view morality as inherently subjective. As you have observed, morality is a byproduct of human faculties. This makes it not an objective actuality but a subjective construction; morality ceases to exist if we do not conceive of it as existing and do not project it out into the objectively real world.I further consider morality to be inherently non-absolute. The empirical existence of diverse moralities is more than adequate proof to my mind that morality is not an absolute in any possible manner. Moralities are varied, disparate, and contradictory. Case in point: while most people do not genuinely value non-human animals equally to human animals, there are some who would place equal or even greater value on the former than the latter.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

cannot self-ascribe moral value they lack it entirelyThe crux of our disagreement actually lies in this statement. I approach morality the way a solipsist would, as something applied entirely for the individual and their own experience. Humans are fully capable of projecting moral value/judgement onto non-human entities and objects, including animals.But that was the point of my qualification regarding property.. As you have observed, morality is a byproduct of human faculties. This makes it not an objective actuality but a subjective construction; morality ceases to exist if we do not conceive of it as existing and do not project it out into the objectively real world.I follow a quasi-Objectivist school of thought, establishing morality as a product provided by the application of human faculties towards the goal of rational self-interest. That is the criterion with which I evaluate moral decisions. Now, if rational self-interest is a subjective phenomenon, than you would be correct. This is where(for the sake of contemporary significance as well as convenience insofar as diction is concerned) I adopt much of the rhetoric of Sam Harris(admittedly ironic in many regards) arguing that things like well-being and self-interest are not outside the area of conclusive evaluation. Thus, I would disagree that the existential status of morality affects its objective nature. What is in your self-interest at any given moment (and therefor moral) would be so even if you didn't project the term moral at it. The means of deriving moral value however(for the sake of continuity) does require such projections. The empirical existence of diverse moralities is more than adequate proof to my mind that morality is not an absolute in any possible manner. Moralities are varied, disparate, and contradictory.The multitude and diversity of religions in the world have no bearing on their individual validity, so too is it with morality. Case in point: while most people do not genuinely value non-human animals equally to human animals, there are some who would place equal or even greater value on the former than the latter.The existence of a particular viewpoint isn't an indicator of anything. It merely begs the question. Their viewpoint cold be incomplete, misguided, or wrong(or even right). As previously stated, the diversity an d multitude of a phenomenon doesn't inherently denote anything beyond sociological tendencies (something that in no way adequately deals with the question at hand)
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

The mass of text in italics is not my doing, and my attempts at correcting it made it worse. Apologies.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Or it could fix itself 0_0 .
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I think the only thing we can denote about moralityIn case it wasn't clear, I didn't mean morality here in the general sense but in the specific context at hand.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

It's been a long time my friend! Hope you are doing well. I apologize for never following up on this discussion, life circumstances got in the way and CD slipped from my mind. Although it's actually been quite a few years since I've had a substantial conversation regarding ethics/morality, perhaps we can revive this conversation from the grave! Either way, it's worth commending the time put into your argument/perspective, and conversation with you was among the best that I took part of on this site.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Yo! Welcome back. It's great to hear from you. I've doing well enough; hope things are good your end. We had some solid exchanges way back when (so many years, wow).This particular thread may be dead beyond revival (at least, I'd like to believe my views have evolved a bit in six years lol). I'd love to kick some philosophy around with you though; anything you're chomping at the bit to discuss/debate? Otherwise, I hope we'll catch each other around before life drags either of us off again (I've been intermittently awol myself).
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I've only recently rekindled my appreciation for philosophy, it's a muscle I'm eager to exercise after years of neglect. I'm currently rereading works that were formulative for me, so hopefully in the near future we can once again have a substantial discourse. It's sad to see that not much of that occurs here compared to the old days, I'm surprised Andy has kept the site running at such expense to himself with such a limited pool of serious posters. Did you by chance ever end up reading The Moral Landscape?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

In my profoundly biased opinion, philosophy is a great interest to rekindle. And, selfishly, I'm glad you're returning to it and popped back to CD too. I'm currently taking a deep dip into some german stuff and glad to come up for some much needed air to discuss other things. I did do a light read of The Moral Landscape, but it was a while back and I'm not sure I retain more than the basic gist of it. Suffice it to say, I wasn't persuaded and still hold to my value nihilism.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Are there any particular sources you recommend on the subject of value nihilism?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

The most well known contemporary moral skeptics are probably J.L. Mackie and Richard Joyce; the latter builds upon the former to some extent and I would argue is the more interesting of the two. My go to dude is Max Stirner, but strictly speaking they're more of a political anti-moralist egoist than a metaphysical value nihilist. Stirner is free here; idk any open source stuff for the others. If anything, though, for the love of nothing don't look to Nietzsche (bane of my nihilistic existence).
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Animals actually help us in many different ways , but the main object is that animals have spirits so they can feel , learn and even think .. so we should Considerate them ... but we cant deny that humans have more intelligence than animals . Animals also are created by GOD to benefit us ... we can see a human raising an animal but we may never see the opposite of that ....so in my opinion i say noThank You.....
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

God would have to real for that to be true and also intelligence is not always a good thing.There has been many of times animals have risen humans and that's fact and we have also cut it on video before I think but it's for sure fact that we seen it happened before.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground -Genesis 1:26
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Can you prove that God is real and if anything if God is real it's probity not your religion God.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You value individual animals over groups of people. That doesn't mean you value animals over humans.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I do value a animal over a human..................................................................
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

I said individual animals. a animalThat's individual animals. See? I am right.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

I would kill a human over a animal are you now still going to say I value humans more.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You are a liar first of all. Plus, you still are saying 1 animal, which still proves I am right.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

How does it prove your right and I'm not lying I have nothing to lie about if I say I would than that means I would.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You just admitted to be willing to commit crimes. You do have something to lie about, and you are picking the wrong thing. Your complete obliviousness to the use of the English language makes what you write down different than what you mean.I say I would than that means I wouldThere is no reason to believe this is true.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

So I will say it to anybody but they can't take me to jail for it and how am I picking the wrong thing.Why should you believe it's a lie.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Because you are a little cry baby that couldn't hurt anybody, much less kill them.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Yes please call me names kid that really hurts boo hoooooooooooooooooo
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Well, I am not really calling you names, I am accurately describing you.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

This is a debate not your name calling play ground..................
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

True, and I just said I didn't call you names. I am glad that you have agreed that I didn't call you names, that I am debating properly, and that you feel you are a cry baby.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

This is a debate not your name calling play ground.................. grow up Cartman
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

I am still not calling you names. I am only pointing out that you agree with my assessment.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

True, and I didn't call you a name. If I need to grow up, you need grammar lessons.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Don't lie kid and if you don't like my grammar then don't message me it's that simple.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Don't lie kidHaven't so far.and if you don't like my grammar then don't message me it's that simple.Look what happens when I spin that around: If you want me to grow up, then don't message me, it's that simple. How come you don't follow your own advice? The grammar is not for my benefit, it is for yours. People sound like idiots when they use poor grammar and spelling.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Why are you still lying.Hey I'm not the one mad here I am really having fun talking to you kid because you're so funny and stupid.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Why are you still lying.Ok, suit yourself, don't learn from anyone.Hey I'm not the one mad hereI didn't mention your emotional state in any way. I didn't even reference it, and I didn't even know it was a topic for discussion. It is weird that you bring it up. In fact it doesn't actually make any sense to bring it up. I just asked a simple question. The only reason for you to bring it up is because your initial reaction was that of anger. So, why you mad bro? I am really having fun talking to you kid because you're so funny and stupid.It is really hilarious that you claim to think I am stupid. Is it a defense mechanism, or are you on drugs? I went through and explained how your line of thinking actually goes against what you do yourself. Your response was to call me stupid with no explanation.Do you honestly believe that someone who writes in a way that is less readable (bad grammar) is more intelligent than the person who writes well?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL believe what you want I try to debate but people just wants to be hypocrites.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Ok, drugs it is then.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Why are you keep on trying to have a debate with me because I always get the last word when I'm right.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

You have only ever been wrong, how do you know what it is like to be right?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Funny guy yes you Cartman why are to talking about yourself.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

God I love you. I could go on and on about this "goodmale" guy/girl (likely a guy), but you seem to be handling it well.Also, he/she seems to be a "College Graduate". What with that Engrish, I doubt that.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Yeah, he was wacky for a while. He finally gave up. I couldn't believe that he was so sure that he was smarter than me.EngrishHaha.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Then go live with them.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Looks like you're out of ideas, and recycled this old fishing attempt again.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

No I just wanted to look at it in a different way.........
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Humans have the most value except God and it will stay that way forever and ever.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

Evidence? And um this is not fifty characters, now it should be?
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

NO. Humans and Animals do not have the same worth due to some reasons which are already mentioned above. read it ol.. i agree to many f them.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Come on, you guys. This should be obvious. A squirrel and your Girl or Boyfriend are in two different houses. you cannot contact the police. there is a bomb in each house, and you can diffuse it. they are timed so that you can only diffuse one bomb. which one would you choose? obliviously your gf or bf. squirrels have little value, while a you would love a partner. Now it it was your pet squirrel that you love and a person that has the IQ of 3 that you hated, that would be a different story. you would save the squirrel. but chances are you are the only one that cares about that squirrel, but that person still has a family that cares for them.
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: Yes

First of all you sir are "oblivious" although i imagine you meant "obviously". and second at the same time. two houses. two bombs. on choice. your "gf or bf" or some random person. your gf or bf right? the other persons dead. same choice. or some person you dont know and the dog you,ve had and loved for years. idk about you but i'd choose the dog
Debate: Does a animal have the same value as a human
Side: no

Well... you gotta consider that the random human has a family that loves them.I will admit that it is a hard decision.