azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Never claimed that the blame is on the gunYou sort of did. At least your explanation seemed like it because you mentioned the gun:It was a gun used in a confrontation by self defense to counteract a threat.I was hit by surprise, so I was trying to figure out what you meant. Nobody but you thinks that kill has anything to do with initiation. Since Zimmerman is still responsible for depriving Trayvon of his life, he killed in self defense.Definition of kill: 1 a : to deprive of life : cause the death of
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Never sort of did, you misinterpreted as much.The gun was used as weapon or tool in self defense to prevent harm.Well, I don't think like you group think. Deprive of life or cause of death can only happen when someone is attacking a victim, if the victim defends himself from harm, he didn't kill. He didn't start the confrontation.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

The gun was used as weapon or tool in self defense to prevent harm.This statement will be misinterpreted by everyone because you are leaving out the person who pulled the trigger.Deprive of life or cause of death can only happen when someone is attacking a victim, if the victim defends himself from harm, he didn't kill. He didn't start the confrontation.He didn't start the confrontation, but we are talking about who ended it, aren't we. Trayvon was living until Zimmerman pulled the trigger. If you believe that this is not depriving him of his life or the cause of his death, then you have problems.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Ok, Zimmerman pulled the trigger of the gun in self defense preventing harm onto himself.Sure, Martin was living, but he was beating in Zimmerman's face in and hitting his head on the floor. That is not depriving Martin of his life because Martin was in the act of killing Zimmerman. Martin had intentions of harming Zimmerman.Telling me I have problems doesnt make your arugment any stronger
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Your argument is ridiculous and disagrees with English, so I can't help you.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Not looking for help, can't be that ridiclous if you have nothing to say except call my argument ridiclous and disagree with English.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Definition of kill has nothing to do with intention, you added that incorrectly. Sorry, you are plain wrong.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

How can killing have nothing to do with intention? Basically, in your opinion, killing is only then accidental.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

How can killing have nothing to do with intention?THE DEFINITION OF KILL DOES NOT MENTION INTENTION IN ANY WAY. Was that loud enough for you to hear?Basically, in your opinion, killing is only then accidental.See, this proves I am right. It has nothing to do with intention. That means if it was intentional, it is killing. It also means if it was not intentional, it is also killing.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

They defended themselves from him...and killed him. What kind of definition for kill were you using?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Killing is the act of aggression, nobody saying killing a wild animal when someone uses self defense when attacked.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Yeah, they do. If I was in the woods and ended the life of a bear that was attacking me, I would absolutely be telling people that I was able to survive because I killed the bear that was attacking me.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Plus what I added to my initial response, when you kill maybe an animal to save it from suffering.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Hunting animals is the act of killing, attack from animal is self defense.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

So can you kill an animal in self defense?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Self defense covers many possibilities. I could have hit the bear with a log and stunned it (probably have to be a baby bear) and say I escaped because I used self defense. What would you say if you extinguished the life of the bear? What would you say if you hit the bear and ran away? How would you describe it?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

What definition says killing is the act of aggression. If life is taken from something, it is killed. An old woman dies of old age, she just died. If she was euthanized the doctor killed her medically. No one is saying it's wrong, but you're denying the term's meaning.editIn fact, the term "mercy killing" exists, because killing means to take the life of something (sentient at least). If a dog is dying of rabies, a mercy killing has no aggression in it, yet it's still a kill.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

How is killing not an act of violence or aggression?------------------
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

If you love a pet and you see that's it's suffering how can you really kill it with aggression?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

If a pet is suffering, nobody kills it with aggression, it is euthanized. Big difference. Euthanize is not killing, it is ending life with mercy.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Well aside from the fact that some people still do shoot their own pets, effectively killing it with mercy, euthinization is defined as legal and painless killing of a patient. In this case the patient is the dog, but the fact remains it has been killed. You are mistaking the word "kill" for maybe the word "murder", or another word whose definition includes "Kill" and "aggression".
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

So if you have a gun, and someone is beating the crap out of you in the face and try to rape you, you would tell me you won't use your gun to defend that? Tell me that then I'll buy it. Else, you're a hypocrite.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

If so a leg shot would be excellent. Or an arm shot. Not a shot directly to the chest where it would kill the guy. Majorly because its still killing they guy.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

You seem to believe he is innocent, I know that isn't the topic of this debate, but I would be interested to know why you believe this.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Simple, man has an absolute right to defend his life, liberty and property where aggression threatens one of those three rights regardless. Also, the burden of proof was solely on the state, and the defense doesn't have to prove anything, and the state had a weak case at best.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

I agree that the state had a weak case. Do you think the the defense demonstrated he was innocent, rather than just provide reasonable doubt?If so, I'm just asking why.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

The defense demonstrated his innocence with the stand your ground law, which I don't know in its entirety.FYI, clarify doesn't show up in my activity feed.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

The defense demonstrated his innocence with the stand your ground law, which I don't know in its entirety.This is false, he had the options for a trial based on the stand your ground law, but he knew he would lose, so he was tried under the same self defense laws that govern most states.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I don't know the details of the case, so if that is what it is, ok.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

A man does not have a legal right to use lethal force to defend his property.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Actually, my original argument still stands true where defending your property from offenses such as theft, burglary and trespass are legal under reasonable force.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Please fully restate your argument where it is "legally justified" to defend property with lethal force.Explain how it is justified to use lethal force on a person posing no physical threat to anyone, but is taking your iPod, or whatever.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Defending property is legally justified because the act of theft is an act of violence or aggression and should be defended in a reasonable fashion. Nobody can pose no threat to anyone by taking property without violence. The exchange is not voluntary, so it is forced.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

False. If you wake up to find a burglar stealing your TV and he sees you and runs for the door; you aren't legally justified to shoot him. Read this and cite where it says you can use deadly force strictly to protect property while not being threatened with harm. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App mode=DisplayStatute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

What you have does not pertain to statutory law defining defense of property, it only covers bodily harm. Again, defense of property is justified under reasonable force.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Where do you live/ what are you talking about? This is a debate about the Zimmerman case, which took place in Florida.So the reference I cited is what matters.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Hey, you are the one that brought up defending property to me, even though it was never relevant to this case. My first reference to defending property was a general statement, not relevant to this case.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

So you agree that it is not legally justified to use lethal force solely to defend property?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

NO, this Zimmerman case has nothing to do with defending property, it is about defending life.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I still cannot fathom how this singular case became so ubiquitous. Aren't there more important issues like Obama killing innocent civilians overseas and mass surveillance in the US?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

For my part, I followed the case because I carry a gun myself and I would like to think that I know when I would be justified to use my gun and when I wouldn't. This case reinforced a lot of my thinking and justifications.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

You can't fathom why the government would want people concerned with this simple case; instead of talking about those other things?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I never thought there was enough evidence for his guilt. Every time I shared this with anyone I was called horrible names and was dragged into unsupported and largely emotional debates for his guilt. The system worked today, despite the media's attempt to make him a villain, justice still held true, at least in this case.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I agree, I kept my mouth shut when I saw it on my news feed on Facebook.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I do agree with you 100%. I was looking at the evidence and try to line up the event closely, I cannot find a reason to jail Zimmerman. I just can't.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

No. The media made him out to be a racist wana be cop. The NAACP is wining civil rights violations, though it is not true. A sweet taste of justice.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I support gun's, but Zimmerman should of stayed in the car. That was his only real mistake. He didn't break the law! He just tried to stop Trayvon himself which resulted in his death. A horrible tragity, but not a murder.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Oh sweet Jesus I'm just fucking thrilled the whole thing is over!
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Not yet, the NAACP is trying to file charges, more Zimmerman news to come.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

He was acquitted, how can he be guilty? ;)
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Not only was there "not enough evidence to prove Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree or manslaughter," but there was substantial evidence that he was only guilty of being assaulted, having his nose broken, and having his face bashed into the pavement by a 6 foot 2, 200 lb man. The media jumped on this case with the intention of turning it into a race issue where it was simply a case of a man defending himself from an assault. The picture aired on the media of george Zimmerman in 'county orange' and trayvon martin speaks volumes about how the media turned the case into race issue. The picture of trayvon was taken when he was 12 while in reality he would not appeared as a teen being so large. Forensics proved that his shirt was 2 to 4 inches from his body when he was shot making it clear he was on top of zimmerman and the bloody head and broken nose of zimmerman also helped the defense. This case never should have raised any alarms because it happens so often. 9,000 african americans are killed every year and 93% of those killings are by other african americans. Where is the media to cover those shootings????
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Travon martin was a'lookin for trouble. Well good God a'mighty he found it a'right. He was a thug and now he's six feet under. People like George Zimmerman are American Heros, taking dirty rotten thugs and coons off the street. Good riddance.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Travon martin was a'lookin for trouble. Well good God a'mighty he found it a'right. He was a thug and now he's six feet under. People like George Zimmerman are American Heros, taking dirty rotten thugs and coons off the street. Good riddance. Fuck off, you ethnocentrist fuck. We are all one human race, so deal with it.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Just shows Dana hates it when she is proven wrong.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

You support that ethnocentrist comment? I was rude, but I do not take kindly to ethnocentrists.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

No ethnocentrists. He accused Trayvon of being a thug, mean but, not ethnocentrist. You have been for all intents and purposes, proven wrong! Why do you argue so much for this?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

No, I was talking about in general.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Potassium. .
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I don't think he was. His head was indeed banged up. I don't think he did that to himself.The only ones that know what happen is Travon Martin and George Zimmerman.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

He defended himself against Trayvon, I already told you guys about how it was reasonable and that he WAS defending himself. Now the only arguement you guys have is "Well who gives him the right to defend himself against attack, you can't take someones life just to save your own!"Actually, yes you can.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

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Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I saw that and that is BS evidents. In a fight you are moving around he got an opertunity some where to shoot him, otherwise why would he let Trayvon punch him? Another Horrible arguement, that does not cover reasonable doubt.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Fist fight moves your body a lot. So yeah, everything from hip to your feet are static when you fight. Sure. Whatever. Very stupid.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

For me it all depended on whether the prosecuter could prove Zimmerman provoked Martin with the intentions of shooting him and claiming it was self defense. As the details started coming out it was more and more obvious that Martin attacked first and got the upper hand. Zimmerman was innocent until proven guilty and the State failed to prove their case. The jury did the right thing.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

with the intentions of shooting himIf Zimmerman had started a fight with Martin, but never intended to shoot him, would you still feel he was innocent?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

That would depend on what you mean when you say started a fight. If Zimmerman was only trying to ask some questions about why Martin was in the neighborhood and why did he run? That's innocent enough. If he just tackled Martin and trid to subdue him that would be a lot less innocent unless he could show he had a good reason to do that.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Let's say Zimmerman shoved Martin and called him the N word. Then Trayvon started to walk away and Zimmerman grabbed his arm to stop him and doesn't ask what he was doing there. Martin feels he is being threatened and just spins and punches Zimmerman in the nose and takes him to the ground. In that scenario would you say that Zimmerman is still innocent? Trayvon would not have any marks from this, so it could still fit.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

This might be plausible meaning Zimmerman would have been guilty of assault but it wouldn't explain how Zimmerman was able to catch up with Martin. Remember Martin took off running and had a head start.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

So, Zimmerman would be guilty of assault. Now, if he was guilty of assault, then Trayvon started hitting him, would Zimmerman have murdered Trayvon?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

I can understand 1 punch. But from what I see, that's beating him to death.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: Yes

Ok, so what you are saying is beating a guy is bad and shooting someone to death is ok?
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Prosecutors had to prove their case to the jury beyond reasonable doubt. They failed to do that. It doesn't matter whether or not Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon, it doesn't matter that he disobeyed police orders. All that matters is what happened in that court room. If you know anything about the way societies function then you should know that injustice for one means injustice for us all. Every high profile case like this sets a new legal precedent, that means it establishes a new rule that a court or other judicial body can adopt when deciding future cases under similar circumstances. That alone is a reason for people to be concerned.
Debate: George Zimmerman was just acquitted in the death of Travon Martin was he guilty?
Side: No

Why he is not guilty:1) He is part of neighborhood watch. To question somebody that looks suspicious is normal.2) Travon ambushed him and beat the crap out of Zimmerman.3) Zimmerman had no choice in fear of getting deadly injured, ( I considered losing your teeth is deadly because you can't get them back ), shot the boy with bigger body.I try to find ways to believe that he over did it till I heard that he made multiple radio reports, which to me seems like a very professional procedure. Who to blame? Travon's family. They are at fault for not teaching their kids to behave themselves. I saw vids of him harassing homeless people. I didn't hear 1 word from where ever saying the Zimmerman was harassing people. Using certain word of choice on the phone talking to other African American female describing Zimmerman was another thing I find disturbing.To sum it all up, Travon was collecting his bad karma and paid it on the day he got shot.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
Side: I believe because.....

To tell the truth, because it is what i was raised to believe.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
Side: I don't believe because....

Score one for honesty.Though I do not agree with your position or why you do believe, I definitely appreciate the honesty towards it.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
Side: I don't believe because....

in other words you were brainwashed, it wasn't your choice... will you brainwash your kids?
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
Side: I believe because.....

Atheists seem to have no point to life, aside from waiting to die and filling that time with meaningless things. Such as living.