Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: Yes.

I meant it as similar teaching (and raising) religious get. You seem as credulous about this as they are about their religion - denying all other possibilities from ever working, thinking if there was no money it would be chaos.I wasn't raised or taught this, and I didn't say it would be chaos but it would be very nice.All they think about is getting paid for their job, for the time they spend working (this is about most people, not all).Maybe there is a high population of idiots where you live, but most of the people I know understand that they are payed to do their job because it is required and needs to be done.This is prejudice... Sounds a lot like Soviet times and lands... but the difference is they had and used money and they had many other problems.And if you eliminated money then what? There would need to be some large organization or state, and if there didn't need to be, in time one would be created (likely by people who want more for themselves)When did I say anything about taking them away?Your saying these people are greedy and they have un-used resources that need to be used. When you imply and say they will be used anyone with common sense would think that they would not just hand them over to you, so you would have to either take them by force or bribe them.Prejudice again. Doing it properly would not be extremely low, if the leaders knew exactly what was required to be done.Most leaders only have their goals in mind, the people are not their concern, controlling the people and keeping them at bay are but as for our life, no, so don't act like they will make it work for us. The time it would last? As long as humanity would last.When I say last I don't mean "how long will it go till utter collapse and chaos" I mean how long till it is corrupted and ruined by people.If you don't have enough you stay homeless and depend on charity, or starve to death.There are a large amount of soup kitchens and homeless shelters in high homeless areas, within a few days of panhandling you could likely get enough money for some new cloths and a hair cut and then go apply for a job.Have I ever said the contrary?No, but you act like anyone who isn't living an "decent" was somehow screwed over and they deserve part of what other people have created. I don't mind donating my time and money to charity, because I do, but I would have a problem with working long hours and getting up early so others who are "less fortunate" can wake up at noon, wear pajamas in public and have an iPhone.That means they are greedy, if they have more than enough and don't use them.Again, its called saving, no one is going to say "you know, its greedy for me to save the money I earned I'm going to spend it all so I have a balance of $0.00" because its stupid.How can you not get it? This wouldn't be an issue with no money.How can you not get it? IF these "greedy" people are "hording" money that they don't use, what makes you think that people won't be "hording" resources that they don't use?urrently also it costs labor, resources, time and transportation AND it costs something extra - money.Money is used as a medium for trading resources, so instead of giving you 10 tons of the resources you need, I would give you enough money to purchase 10 tons for the resources you need. Even though it has been produced for use you cannot use it till you have the money you got for creating it to pay for it.And what, you should just walk up and take it for free, regardless of everything that has been used to make it? Thats not sharing, thats called theft.People would have no need to steal as they could simply go and get it for free.Really? You think people will just loose the desire to have more then they already have and do better than others, actually, in a system where everyone is the same, the only was to get more would be stealing.No starvation and no poor people as everything would be free. If someone chose to not be part of it then that'd be their problem.There would still be starvation and poor people, your not putting into account the factor of corruption, human nature and the want for more. If your system was implemented perfectly (as in exactly the way you say it and everything turned out the way you wanted it to), there would be no starvation or poor but even then the system would corrupt very quickly.You think that is not happening in present? Everything, more or less, is regulated by people, recorded by people, and managed by people, and by organizations and states.Yes, and it disgusts me. I believe in a free market with very few regulations, I don't believe in mass regulation and massive states, I don't buy into the belief that the elite in a distant capital know how to plan our lives better than we do.There would be no need for a large organization or state any more than is presently.There really is no need for it now, the only reason we have these massive states is because people like to have the power and its a way of getting more for themselves, we don't need all this government.You are biased, you literally cannot think objectively about any of this.The only thing you have on me is that I disagree with you, and I'm not just saying "blah blah blah communist blah blah blah evil" I'm actually arguing, understand the difference? Id you don't thats pretty biased right there.You are strictly adhering to one thing - money is the best.I don't believe our current system is good, I believe it needs to be reformed because (just like your little fantasy would) the money system is corrupting, and like any system, it needs to be reset.I only call people that if they give me a reason to. By denying something that is, would be, etc.You imagining something working doesnt make it so, you act like your word is pure fact.You are biased, you think the current way is the only and the best way, without even considering others.I'v considered systems like yours, thought about it and after thinking about realized that its very flawed, don't call me biased for disagreeing with you. Your acting like college activist who claims to be open to other views but then are shocked and offended that there are other views.I seem to understand it better than you do, as I know it is not necessary for it all to work.NO, you understand the basics of what are needed to work and you believe we should just eliminate everything else.I've said so many times that there would still be issues but there would be far less. Money is not working great. You call abusing it great?And I have said so many times there wouldn't be less issues, abusing doesnt mean having more than you. You think it is great that it promotes greed? You think it is great that very many people are paid close to slave wage?Doesnt' promote greed, and people being paid slave wages isn't a product of money, its a product of an area with a low demand for labor.You call it great that people work not because they are needed to to keep it all running but because they get paid for it, and if they didn't get paid they'd simply not work?And people would't get paid for their service in your system? They would just be givien basic food and housing? Hmm, now what does that sound like... slavery!That most companies only care about profits not the quality of the product?Their main goal is to profit, the quality of the product is driven up by competition, something you clearly don't understand.Authority over distribution? And how exactly would they abuse it?...and you called me biased and closed minded?Is there a point for hoarding or keeping something you will never need nor use? You think they have the right to impede progress by keeping resources out of use?Its their resources, get it? If your "not using" part of your lawn, I'm not gonna star building on it when you come and tell me to leave I'll say "well your not using, stop being greedy!"How did they get that much money in the first place? By overcharging products and services and/or by paying low wages (that's basically stealing)?Most business started out as small business, even massive corporate chains started out as mom and pop stores or little business. Over charging isn't stealing, do you hate anyone who makes a profit?You don't understand. How will he use those resources?Lets say he owns a large amount of plantations, now instead of paying them in money he pays them in food and he will still control the plantations.You think there wouldn't be others in power who are not greedy and who also have power, enough that they could stop the Mr. Greedy? This all aside, I never talked about a dictatorship.And you think people in power wouldn't protect what was there and wouldn't use their power to take Mr.Greedy's power under the osmisof "helping the people." As for a dictatorship, as you may know, dictatorships are not planned, no one ever sat down and said "ok, were gonna be a democracy but then later we'll become a dictatorship" it doesn't work like that, dictators force there way to power.You think that isn't happening even presently? Or you think that would be the only way it could go with no money? That's prejudice, again.Its done now and it will be be done without money.With no money no one would need any help from others.Another one, money promotes people to not care about others.Unless they built there house, get their water, grow their food, make their electricity and do every other service, they will need help from other people. Money doesnt promote not caring about other people, you just think that because someone has more than you that they don't care.Currently, poverty comes from having too little or no money. Wealth comes from having a lot of it.If everything would be free then how could people be poor?Wealth? The things you get for free? Or the things that have personal value?IF someone has more resources than someone else they are riched and wealthier. There would still be classes and there would still be people with more, you cant eliminate that.Or you mean it comes from having a far too high population? That should be managed even presently... but isn't (except in China).It does come from a high population. A few people can work a farm the can feed more then them. People can work a factory that can supply more then them. Regardless, there will always be leftovers (not the best word to use, but whatever) and in China, the only reason they are doing so well is because there are so many and so many of them want to work, so as the amount of works goes up, their value becomes less, so they are given less.You think that isn't done presently? Right now it is accompanied by money, making it even easier.Getting paid a high salary doesnt make them more powerful, they get to the top by stepping on and cheating their way up with lies. Then when they are where they are where they want to be, they go for their goals. This would not change if money was eliminated.Exactly, what people do, people. You'd have to convince others or frighten others and that you could only do by first using your your own abilities and skills.Team up with a few people and then manipulate others, you act like its a hard thing to do.I'm not greedy, like it or not.Your greedy, just like everyone else on some level. In your mind of course your never greedy its always the other guy, but you are infact, greedy.And I've given plenty of explanation that it would work. Stop being closed-minded, be objective and realistic, and understand all the aspects necessary for it to work.Of course me arguing my point and not saying "good job Nummi, your plan is genius!" makes me closed minded... typical.