azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: You Have A Choice

THERE IS NO GOD!This topic is whether or not a benevolent God would send people to a (misconception of) hell. It's not about whether there is a God. I'm sure you could find an argument out there about that, so why bring it here?Religion only controlls the masses.Improperly induced religion controls the masses. Christianity is supposed to bring happiness to people. I know it brings joy to me. It's too bad Religion has turned Christianity into a Religion. It should be a way of life, not a doctrine. People have made it into a guilt trip, when it's not supposed to be.As for controlling the masses, that's for governments to do.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Rise above? All you are doing is falling down, tick tock tick tock, out runs the clock and the finality of your dying is complete. You can't rise up except in your imagination, and God will cast you down in your pride, like your father the devil.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Oh, one other thing, people go to hell because beyond this world is one of two places heaven where sin doesn't exist and hell, where those still with sin in their lives go. Really, hell may simply be the tangible explanation of what it means spiritually to be forever and completely severed from God. After all sin cannot be allowed into heaven, and only those who have given their sin to Christ will be allowed to enter heaven because only Christ is guiltless, and it is only through him that we can even enter into heaven, otherwise we'd go to hell too.The punishment for sin is death because God will not tolerate any sin in heaven. Sin is anything that goes against God. Usually knowing that it's wrong is what qualifies it as sin because, really, how can God hold someone accountable for something they didn't even realize was sin, such as lusting after a woman when you've made no commitments to anyone else. I mean most would think it was a natural thing that attracts us to the opposite sex, not adultery of the heart.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

you wrote such a leanthy argument...Interesting .But do u think everyone will read such a lenthy one?Also, ur points sum up to 5!
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

You did./Also, if they want to argue, then yes, otherwise they're going in half cocked, and that's never good when you're trying to debate something./Also, I'm not so good as others at being brief, especially when I'm not sure people will understand me. Most of the time, it's like people don't see the point I'm trying to make. So I get a bit lengthy. It's just how I am, and I appologize for any inconvenience, and thank you for bearing with me and taking the time to actually read it all.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Good comments and I have also spent a lot of time pondering people who never hear the gospel. I think the Bible supports the idea that if anybody honestly seeks God's mercy they will be saved. There are examples of entire nations in the Bible who were not saved, entire nations of people doomed to Hell because of their wickedness. The whole world perished except for eight people with Noah, none of them were saved, maybe they heard God's offer of pardon and maybe not, but they could have been like Noah and believed God and been saved if they wanted to. Noah was a preacher of righteousness, and our duty is still to try to reach everybody with the message of God's offer of pardon, forgiveness, and eternal life through the blood of His Son. Some Christians will imply that we don't have to try to reach anybody because God knows who will be saved and who won't and our actions are not required to bring about the end which God knows. They are misunderstanding God's design and plan for us. He wants workers, not only benefactors....and we owe it to Him to labor for Him.I hope I'm preaching to the choir here.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

He would do you think God would force thoose who hate him to be with him for all of eternity therfore you can see hell not as divine puniishment but as slight divine compassion als no one truly knows what hell is like i dont believe it is a great place but here is a represantation on a much smaller scale would you force someone who hated you to live with you if they could live somewhere else i think not but that is for you to decide food for thought if you will
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

No, separation from God is not what people would prefer, even if they hated God because God is the essence of all existence. God is the purpose of existence. How do we not know that Hell isn't more concept than a place and that it's description is merely the tangible understanding of what it means to be separated from God for all eternity. Imagine it. Spiritually God does not physically need fire and brimstone so those two things are obviously tangible representations of what is really in hell. How do we not know that all of hell, and the lake of fire is not just the tangible description of what it's going to be like for those of us, that because of our sin, are separated from God for all eternity.I'm telling you, it's not a pleasent thought. And God being the alpha and omega, not just of all things, but just the beginging and the end entirely, then there needs to be no prison, we may just simply exist with nowhere to go or anything to do separated from God for all eternity. And the Bible's description of hell is what it's going to feel like. That may be all that hell is, and if it is, then separation from God is not a pleasent prospect. Although, we already know, regardless, from what the Bible says that it's not a pleasent prospect anyway.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Good comments..."divine compassion", for people who hate God and don't want His presence, in His compassion for them, even though He has no pleasure in their death, He gives them what they want.....complete absence of any indication of Him, complete absence of anything good because the fire has destroyed all goodness in it's flames.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Does God really care whether or not people know about Him? Were it a benevolent God, probably not, but is there even such a thing?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

I think the question is rather askewed. I do not claim to know the actual method. Religion has been polluted by men, and just as the Dems and Replicans have screwed up our systems of government so has the old church leaders tainted the word of God. Jesus, who is charge of this department, will make sure that ever one who ever lived will get the correct iformation before they are "judged". So in reality it is not so much that God sends anyone, they rather choose to go themselves.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

It is not God who is sending these people to Hell, it is the people themselves. God is not to blame here, these people chose not to follow him and are now paying the price. Another logical example of this: A young son goes to war and has a high chance of dying. Is it the parents' fault if he dies because they gave him free will? I think not.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Of course He should put people in Hell. Would yu want to be with people like Hitler, Stalin etc? Well, I do not!
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

God does not so much send people to hell as they let them go where they already chose according to their free will. People who choose to go to heaven go there people who choose hell go to hell it is not god making the decision it is us.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

God doesn't send people to hell they choose hell according to their own actions and free will. They choose heaven or god. God doesn't choose for them.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Does a person choose what they believe? Is it possible to spontaneously change belief?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

"Does a person choose what they believe?"Ultimately yes."Is it possible to spontaneously change belief?"Not spontaneously, but it is possible to change belief.Why are my answers as such?Because while we are influenced by what surrounds us (family and friends, pop culture, business culture etc.) we do have minds and some degree of intelligence - not to mention free will - and hence we are equipped to question what we believe. If our beliefs do not stand up to our own personal scrutiny then we can choose either to abandon the current belief or to add to it to make it become plausible again in our eyes. I am sure, though, that the process of changing belief is not without anguish.The bottomline? A person can choose and change beliefs, though not spontaneously.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Our beliefs are shaped by our experiences, which is why shared experiences often amount to shared beliefs. Is it coincident that so many in the great sub-continent of India subscribe to Buddhism and Hinduism? Why are these beliefs so prevelent there? SHARED EXPERIENCES. Do you choose you experiences? No. Do you chose your beliefs? No. We do not choose beliefs, our belifs choose us.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

That is the biggest religious lie out there. People say the bible speaks about hell as this place of unending agony. But that is based on gross errors. First off, in the old testament, Hell has been translated from Sheol, which was the same word used for grave. Gehenna was also translated as hell, was really just a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, considered by the jews at the time a place of dishonorable burial. Then people assume that the bible says the fires are eternal. Eternal was translated incorrectly from aion, which means a period of time which is indefinite with beginning and end. In the scriptures, fire is symbolic for a cleansing agent, not some torture tool. If you put something in fire, its not going to be tortured forever, it is going to eventually burn up to nothing but ash. In fact, many verses preach about going through fire, and being made pure. "Tested through fire". Several verses in the New and Old testament talk of a final restoration of all creation, and salvation being given to all. In fact, in the Old Testament, God hated the act of burning someone alive in a fire. He also specifically told the Israelites not to learn the ways of the Heathens. They all believed in Hellfire, but the Israelites did not. However once the Israelites did learn the heathen ways, they adopted that foul doctrine. The Pharisees who Jesus reprimanded the most were hellfire believers, and they were the greatest stench of rotten fruit. Todays Churches that boldly teach hellfire are the most like the Pharisees. Also known as the Fundamentalists. So contrary to popular belief, that doctrine is the most opposed to the bible. In fact the early Greek fathers who read Greek, and outside of Roman influence believed in Universal Salvation. Both Augustine and Basil recognize that most people believed this. Hellfire came from the church in Rome, which was more Pagan than Christian. Augustine was the first to boldly preach all those pessimistic doctrines we find in the church today like people born deserving of hell, eternal torment, original sin. But Augustine was actually a Manichaean, which was a belief that Good and Evil would have a duel, and one exist in one place and the other in another place. The bible teaches that Evil will be annihilated, not separated. However Universal Salvation was a belief that never died out, despite the fact that Rome condemned it in favor for eternal Hell. However they were always a little flock like the bible foretold in the current age.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes cursed or evil doers will go to hell

Your philosophy about hell is plainly wrong. You are anchoring your reasons on the old testaments Gehenna and Sheol being translated as hell. You imply that when hell is mentioned in the bible its either grave or the dump site outside Jerusalem. And the fire as symbolic of cleansing. I would like you to consider this verse, Matthew 25:41 where all your erroneous reasons will be seen. The verse read : "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for i was a hungered and ye gave me no meat..." Here you must see that some people on the left hand of the Lord on the judgement day are cursed and are going to the place where the devil and his angels are destined. That is the hell, the place of eternal torment which the devil and his angels are going to and also the cursed people mentioned by the verse. Now, can you apply all your philosophy that hell is Gehenna or grave or that eternal fire is symbolic of cleansing and a tool for purification? Will there still be purification for the devil and his angels in the first place? NO MORE. Jesus said the devil is already condemned. Can they be put to a grave or dump in Gehenna? Impossible. They are spirit beings. And it is really true that God will throw some men to hell, those cursed, with the devil and his angels. But that is still to come. After that judgement day that God has appointed. God being benevolent, good is also a God of justice. Those who have not known God or His righteousness or the correct religion will not suffer by that fact but they will be judge according to their works and according to their conscience ( Romans 2:14-16).
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Accept and receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior = Go to HeavenDeny or reject Him = Go to HellSimple as that.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Not so simple if you are someone who lived:1. Anytime in the approximately 2.5 million years humans have existed on this planet [1] before Jesus was ever born.2. In any country in which the "good news" was not preached until some time after Jesus died. [2]Did these people by default go to heaven or to hell?What if you have lived a totally moral life, yet are not a Christian? Do good people go to hell?And what the hell is hell, anyways? [3] Was it anything the Early Christians ever believed in and did they go to hell if they did not?No, its not so simple.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Christian_missions [3] http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Also if there is hell after this wouldnt it be wiser to live it up.Of course we need rules to keep some sort of order . I mean by the sounds of it this "heaven" place doesnt sound like you get a choice. Whereas here on earth where people go through hell every day , they have a choice .(<this seems narrow , its not meant to be.) And as far as those that believe in this so called "sin free", "freedom of speech free" , "freedom free" "heaven" they also believe hell is some place to be feared , a place where , bad behaved people "by their individual definition" deserve to go or endure , some kind of "hell".Also id like to ask so who has been told they ARE going to hell ?Has anyone here truly "repented" or just prayed and thought no more past Amen ?Im sure if the lord is benevolent he will open his gates to you.Or will he just look you up and down and say " You have repeatedly asked for forgiveness .How many times do you expect me to forgive you" .Only joking ! go have fun.If "god" created everything then he also created temptation.If "god" is the ultimate in all things , then he knew what was going to happen to us all before he created it.What a shit stirrer.Not very benevolent if you ask me.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

no no no no. PLEASE YOu must uderstand, hear me out. The bible is what we base our lives on. So in that case i can tell that you havent even picked up the bible to read it. We all start with creation and adam and eve. Now adam and eve represent the whole human race. I know thats hard for you to understand but this is how it beggins. Because what it comes down to is that we are all equally sinners. Now. We had a choice! We chose to be rebellious. He gave us the option to receive all his perfect beauty, or reject him and be disobediant. We ate the forbidden fruit of the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. Becuase we were tempted by sattan. And yes God allowed him to tempt us in order to see if we stay obediant. So in conclusion we have to suffer the knowledge of knowing evil, in means of hardship on earth. And trust me you dont want to got o hell. Hell is death, and i can tell you one thing about our nature wether your a beleiver or not. We want to live we desire to live. We dont live to die and we arent made to live to die.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Oh ..........................................stumped! I was baptised a catholic , made my communion at cant remember what age , was inspired to be a nun through the romance of it all Psst, GET THE HINT ? Dont TELL me about what ive done please.Ive read a bible. Not thoroughly for a long long time..20 something years or more.oh and God , the greatest seer of all, kneweth the fall to come!All the best to you....:)feel free to backread other religious remarks ive made over my course of time here at CD.PSS i didnt eat any forbidden fruit thankyou.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

Dude why are you so worryed about past peoples on earth. God is justice man dont underestimate the god of life. WE ARENT SUPPOSED TO KNOW EVERY FREAKIN DETAIL! We dont have the ability too. God is love by my stand point meaning that Go with judge fair, and out of love. Remeber we dont know much at all to tell you the truth but the little we beleive or do know can save us or destroy us. It depends on our choice and wether or not we open the door. Living with out God is like slowely dying. Your sick do you want to be cured?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

I know, I know. Either we sell our soul to god or he will give us a world and an eternity of hurt.Dude is running a protection racket if you ask me!
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

"It depends on our choice and wether or not we open the door"but if we are good people, despite having a different set of beliefs with equally little proof, why would a benevolent being send us to hell?
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

I can do that to, but let's rephrase a few things..."Accept and receive Allah as your Lord and Savior = Go to HeavenDeny or reject Him = Go to HellSimple as that."Sound familiar? It can be done for just about anything.Fact; You aren't going to win anyone over to your 'Lord' with arguments like this.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Two Can Play

Who said I was trying to win anyone over to the God I believe in??The question was "Would a benevolent God send people to hell." which is pretty much open to any ambiguous interpretation considering not one set "god" was identified. And if it can be done for just about anything then I would like to say:Accept and receive MY ASS as your Lord and Savior = Go to HeavenDeny or reject MY ASS = Go to Hell
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Except you, like most people on this side, have failed to actually answer a single part of the premise I laid out. ;]
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Other

Lets make everything clear. If you are a muslim and you know your Qur'an, then you will realise that Salvation in Islam is about Mohammed and not just about Allah. You cannot merely accept Allah. In Islam they consider Adam to be a prophet of God.Read more: http://www.comereason.org/cmp_rlgn/cmp011.asp#ixzz0tUJxvPdK But how can the man who brought corruption and sin into the world through disobedience be a prophet? Islam is confused, it considers that prophets are either sinless of without most of the major sins. But Adam is the author of mankinds problems.Christianity is simple, believe in Jesus his words, ressurection and provision for sin and salvation.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

DontBeRacist is 100% right! That is simplest way of putting it and the best way of putting it.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

"Reality is that every human being is guilty before God and they know it."No they aren't.No they don't.Your god is not reality. It's simply your fantasy. You condemn yourself by, in the name of your god, condemning others.
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: Yes, they rejected him

@ Hadrian:""Reality is that every human being is guilty before God and they know it." No they aren't. No they don't."Unfortunately we all are. Whether people know of it or not depends on whether you come into contact with Him or not."Your god is not reality. It's simply your fantasy."... what, then, of conclusive proof that all the other supreme authorities of all the other religions existed?PLUS the Bible has historical backing. Some of the other religions though - they have fantastical statistics (cf the 'kalpa') that come from (pardon me) God-knows-where. However the Old Testament numbering of the population of Israelites was done systematically. Think about that one."You condemn yourself by, in the name of your god, condemning others."No. Sure the world is worthy of condemnation, but then again we too are fallen. We just have the means to go back to God, and isn't evangelism all about sharing that? After all, the tragedy of people not going back to God is their failing to reconcile with Him and their (wrongful - especially if they were ignorant) sharing in the fate meant originally for the Prince of Lies alone. Our mission in to show the Way back. And if they don't accept it then - what can I say? - good luck to them (which probably won't come anyway).
Debate: Would a benevolent God send people to hell?
Side: No, it's incompatible

Back in traditional times there was a elderly teacher in China that used to fall asleep mid-day during class. One day, after he awoke, a student asked him why he was sleeping in class."I'm not sleeping. I'm in meditation and communing with the ancestors."One day, a student suggested to the other students that they also nap when the teacher did. Upon awaking, and seeing the children all asleep, the teacher was outraged.He shouted them awake with the question, "How dare you sleep in my classroom."The student who was the ringleader spoke up. "Oh, we were not sleeping. We were meditating and communing with the ancestors."The teacher was taken aback, and asked, "What did they have to say.""Well, we asked them about your visits, but they said they have never met you," replied the student.I think of that story anytime someone claims to have a personal relationship with Jesus.