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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I've read the Communist manifesto, and while I will admit that true Communism has not been achieved (only variants like Stalinism, Maoism, etc.) The principles only look good on paper. Time and time again, it has been shown that Communism has restricted freedom of the individual, but freedom is not always a good thing (Anarchistic societies) The perfect government needs balance, and Capitalism hinges on balance. Therefore, I strongly support the capitalistic stance.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Neither of the systems are completely accurate, because we don't live in a perfect society. We need a mix of both but as a whole I would say capitalism is a more effective way to go if you had to absolutely choose one side
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

The evil philosophies of fascism and communism were the two great 20th century mass killers. Of these, communism was the greatest killer. 100 million men, women and children have been murdered by socialism so far, and the killing continues today, notably in North Korea. In terms of body count, socialism is by far the most evil religion, the most evil ideology of any sort, of all time.Behind the Iron Curtain, communists stamped out freethought as efficiently as in any authoritarian religious state. Communists are not sceptics, and are atheists only superficially. Marx and Lenin founded an irrational religion every bit as dogmatic, credulous, and opposed to freethought as any of the older religions they criticised.Communism needs to go back to the drawing board.Perhaps the central lesson of the 20th century is this: It is not enough to complain about the existing order. Your solution must be better, not worse.It is not enough to have a revolution against the Tsar. Your revolution must create a society that is more free than society under the Tsar, not less free.Clearly, though the Tsar was a dictator, Lenin made Russia less free, not more.It is not enough to attack the Weimar Republic. The solution must be better, not worse.Disillusioned with Weimar, the Germans turned to Hitler, who delivered total war, humiliating defeat, mass destruction, 7 million German dead, partition and occupation of half the country by Russia for decades, the permanent loss of territory, ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans, the rape of millions more, and a genocidal shame that will hang over Germany for a thousand years.For those of you that need a quick summary of why communism needs to go back to the drawing board before attempting to enslave and kill us all once more.1. Communist economies are stagnant - people starve, there's no luxury or premium goods.2. Communism kills, 100 Million dead, 30 Million Refugess and still counting.3. Communism does not allow the right to travel. East Germany, Zimbabwe, USSR, North Korea, Cuba. No-one ever died trying to get into these countries, but many died trying to escape.4. No Freedom of religion. Speech, thought, no right to dissent.That's enough for now.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism has been dis-proven by history, with North Korea starving, the rise of dictatorial-ships (mostly in communist state). In summary We've seen our mistakes, and we wont do it again ~ A funny Argument, the obvious answer would be capitalism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

You have only pointed to examples of a particular form of Communism, Authoritarian (Stalinist) Communism. One could easily say that it was the authoritarianism that has been "dis-prove by history", not the ideology of Communism itself. Non-authoritarian communism (see: Marxist) has not been tried on a macro level and thus could not have been disproven, and therefore the entire ideology could not have been disproven.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

However, the ideas of communism c Is based on the ideas of Marxism, except authoritarianism . On Karl marx's side Its all about materialism, and Marxism views that just as society transformed from feudalism to capitalism, it would transform itself to socialism and eventually to communism. Well, the method by which the transformation takes place is what differentiates the communists from Marxists. The Communists believe that the transformation will take place through revolutionary means.~ Ironic Isn't It, on how propaganda works very well on the majority.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

But that's the point: Everything except the most important aspects of the ideology itself. Marxism with Authoritarianism is inherently contrary to Marxism. Marxist revolutionaries and Stalinist revolutionaries both believe that society will/should go to communism via revolutionary means, but the difference comes down to the "Vanguard". Lenin's concept of the "Vanguard" leads to an Authoritarian system that is completely and utterly contradictory to the entire point of Marxist Communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I don't care what anyone says about Communism, Marxism, or any other kind of Socialist system. Karl Marx had a good idea as far as a base of understanding for a Socialist society, however I do not think that this type of system could be implemented into our capitalist society today. Marx common phrase “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” actually sounds somewhat appealing, however, we live in a current society that would take advantage of such an idea. People would begin having many more “needs” and much less “ability,” which wouldn't fix anything in the long run. Communism is nothing more than disguised tyranny. Redistribution and "sharing" of wealth completely eliminates the incentive to do anything worthwhile. Not to mention a Communist system is generally one which brainwashes all of it's civilians into actually believing its for their own good. Anytime the government is given that much power you will see an inevitable fail from either the economy or the people will eventually overthrow their pathetic leaders whom they think is acting out of their best interest. I think arguing Capitalism vs Communism is sort of a broad range for argument seeing as both ideologies are interconnected to so many others. The pendulum generally swings in two different directions. One side is of freedom, independence, and backbone regulation (Don't kill, commit fraud, ect). The other side is a complete totalitarian authority (Communist dictatorship). We control everything because you're too inferior to know for your own good. Communism might be a more efficient system in times of hardship but it's only because everyone is basically sacrificing their existence to co-exist... We aren't even experiencing ACTUAL Capitalism in the USA today. People think and call this Capitalism but it's nothing more than a generic off brand, more like corporatism. The kicker with a Communist system is that it tries to say its "Egalitarian" yet the majority of the population suffer in poverty while the small minuscule elite parade around and enjoy vast amounts of wealth for themselves. This is why ANY and ALL Communist/Socialist systems are nothing more than disguised tyranny...
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is better. I and everyone should be selfish. I would 100% rather buy that new BMW than give money to poor people. Call me evil I dont care. It's just how people should think.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I have four things to say: -You are selfish and moronic -You could just be trolling/spamming -That side of capitalism works for the Bourgeoisie, you can never agree on your own post unless you are a Bourgeois.- In communism you don't have to give to the poor, that just happens in the system.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism provides more opportunities and the citizens seem to prosper more and be happier.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I am not a big fan of Capitalism but I will opine that it is better than Communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Economic system based (to a varying degree) on private ownership of the factors of production (capital, land, and labor) employed in generation of profits. It is the oldest and most common of all economic systems and, in general, is synonymous with free market system.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Although claiming to provide for the general need of the people, Communism has caused millions of people to starve to death, such as under Mao Tse Tung's Great Leap forward and the reign of Stalin. This being said, not only has Communism killed more people, but it has also enslaved them. Communism keeps people in fear and controls every move they make. Using fear and intimidation to help 'benefit mankind' is shear nonsence.I have argued with several communists about the millions of deaths caused by Communist in wars, revolutions, starvation, and imprisonment: all say it was for the 'greater good'! My simple reply is this: if you call many failures and millions of deaths 'the greater good', you have your head put on backward.Capitalism is better, yes. Is it perfect? No, but at least it doesn't slaughter the people under it!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Communism is the perfect form of Government as everyone is equal. there is no working class or middle class. Everyone gains an equal share of everything money food and housing, which would end poverty. However there is too many people in this world, who only care about themselves and how much money they have compared to the next one idiot, like it is some kind of game, of who has the most wins. of which the winner hopes for power, which only corrupts and changes peoples opinion of you for the worst, no matter what they say. Because they are jealous of you want your position and wealth.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

then no one has any insentive what so ever to get there lazey asses out of bed echmorning exept for the secret polieses boot on there door ready at any moment to kick it down and haul them of to a labor camp if they dont do there "patrieotic duty" so everyoe is motivated by fear insted of ambition and that is no way to live
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"Everyone gains an equal share of everything money food and housing, which would end poverty."I wonder why so many people in the defunct USSR starved to death, if not for poverty.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"Communism is the perfect form of Government as everyone is equalthere is no working class or middle class. Everyone gains an equal share of everything money food and housing, which would end poverty."It is true that in communism, apart from the political class, every person is equal in their share of misery and starvation. There is not middle or working class, only the elite political class and the state dependent proles."However there is too many people in this world, who only care about themselves and how much money they have compared to the next one idiot, like it is some kind of game, of who has the most wins. of which the winner hopes for power, which only corrupts and changes peoples opinion of you for the worst, no matter what they say. Because they are jealous of you want your position and wealth."What you actually meant to say is that when people are given the freedom to pursue their own livelihoods with little or no intervention from the state, they are motivated to work harder and succeed because they know they also have the freedom to fail. They know that despite state enforced equality, their own input and tenacity may be far in excess of the next man and they should be rewarded appropriately.Communism. The abolition of private property and as necessary, liberty.To each according to his own pigeonhole. From each, total compliance.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

In a nutshell, here's the difference between Communism, Capitalism, and a few of the other 'isms':CommunismIf you have two cows you give both cows to the government, and then the government sells you some of the milk.SocialismIf you have two cows, you give both cows to the government and then the government gives you some of the milk.FascismIf you have two cows, you milk both of them and give the government half of the milk.NazismIf you have two cows, the government shoots you and takes both cows.New DealIf you have two cows, you kill one, milk the other, and pour the milk down the drain.CapitalismIf you have two cows, you sell one cow and buy a bull.Read more: http://www.bestcleanfunnyjokes.info/index.php/site/comments/economic-systems-explained-with-two-cows/#.U4Och5RdVP5#ixzz32qylKulb
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

For a classless, stateless society where people work for society and themselves. Where if you contribute to the collective good you will get your share and if you don't you went get anything because you don't deserve the product of labor from the collective good. And no more wars over land because there won't be anymore borders. The objective of communism is the freedom of the individual. And the proletariat shall be free from exploitation. And kids won't die for pointless reasons which is mostly poverty-related. Where everyone will rule as one. Kind of like Democracy but safer and more secure.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

From each according to ability, to each according to need(not ability). It is always good to see young comrades, especially ones that are mostly correct in their understanding. I envision communism like a large scale open source community, or gift economy, or even resource based economy.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"And kids won't die for pointless reasons which is mostly poverty-related." Explain why men women and children are starving in north korea, explain the deaths of the refugees who to tried to cross the border due to hunger, explain why the US had to donate large sums of money for food to provide for the north korean people.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Saying that is like trying to compare an apple with an orange, N. Korea is not communist.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

dude do your historry there is no way u can sereously say that the NORKS arnt commies
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

north koriea is little nore than chinas pet look at its history since 1940 kim ill sung=commie kim jong ill= commie kim jong un= you gessed it commie
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Ridiculous, Are you trying to propogate your own stupid ideas on this site?How about me comparing you from a stupid person who has no idea on whats happening on this world, I'd rather pick the stupid person over you.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Norht Korea... communist government?.... lololololololololol do you know what communism actualy is or are you blinded by the media?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Greed is not created by competition, it is created by want, stateless communism dissolves as soon as individuals realize they can trade their own product for a profit to purchase their desires. There is nothing wrong with that, so they would have no guilt in it, and therefor not refrain from it. The same thing would divide the income of labor as soon as individuals realized the value of their labor. Added kids in America have plenty of access to food. Even in pure capitalism, a kid still has an opportunity to work for their food...so they would be able to avoid dying at the hands of their worthless parents.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Yes, greed is created by want. A want for more than one needs in order to survive.Competition is created out of a combination of scarcity in resources and the individual will to survive when dependant on those resources. Profit requires scarcity in order to have value. When scarcity (instead of abundance) is promoted and even encouraged in a profit based system such as capitalism, it becomes flawed and unsustainable. Without scarcity, capitalism could not exist as there would be no profit. Capitalism requires scarcity, requires there to be an amount of resources that cannot equally support the entire population. It's like a game of musical chairs, only benefitting the "winners" while at the same time actually creating the unavoidable loss of the losers.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Nonsense...everyone is rewarded in accordance to the value of their labor...there is no "musicle chairs" game.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Capitalism is a profit based system.Profit requires scarcity in order to have value.The more scarce the resource, the more valuable it is.Musical chairs is a game where the chairs represent a resource that is scarce.Everyone has a fair advantage in the game, but not everyone will win.Not everyone will be rewarded in accordance with their labor (scrambling to get a chair).Not everyone gets a trophy.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"Capitalism is a profit based system.Profit requires scarcity in order to have value.The more scarce the resource, the more valuable it is.Musical chairs is a game where the chairs represent a resource that is scarce.Everyone has a fair advantage in the game, but not everyone will win.Not everyone will be rewarded in accordance with their labor (scrambling to get a chair)."That's all nonsense.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Well that was a well thought out counter argument, great job steve789!/sarcasm
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Your arguments are foolish. Greed is obviously caused by selfish want, and selfish want happens in any system. Competition is not at all based on scarcity, it is based on market needs and availability. There is no scarcity of any number of products and services (gardeners, computers, accountants, crafts, etc., etc.) but there is robust competition. To say that scarcity is being promoted is nonsense, and to suggest that scarcity equals capitalism shows a complete lack of understanding. You have been reading fifth grade level propaganda.Capitalism created the wealthiest nation and the wealthiest population in human history. Unbridled greed may take it down, but nothing that communism offers could accomplish even half of what capitalism has for the well being of the masses. History alone makes that argument.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Your arguments are foolish… You have been reading fifth grade level propaganda.Here come the insults. Can we please discuss this like grown folks and refrain from the personal insults?Besides, I wish they taught the fundamentals of economics starting in fifth grade, maybe people would understand why we’re in the condition we’re in.Greed is obviously caused by selfish want, and selfish want happens in any system.Any system where there are social-economic classes and resources that are scarce, yes.Competition is not at all based on scarcityIf resources aren’t scarce, what are you competing over? Scarcity is exactly what competition is based on. What do you think it is based on?it is based on market needs and availability.How is this any different from when I said “Competition is created out of a combination of scarcity in resources and the individual will to survive when dependant on those resources.”Market needs = individual will to survive when dependant on resourcesAvailability = scarcity (or abundance) in resourcesThere is no scarcity of any number of products and services (gardeners, computers, accountants, crafts, etc., etc.) but there is robust competition.Why do you think that is?To say that scarcity is being promoted is nonsense, and to suggest that scarcity equals capitalism shows a complete lack of understanding.It’s a fundamental truth that capitalism requires real or imagined scarcity in order to function. Its a profit based system; abundance is its enemy. And scarcity is promoted or encouraged all the time by companies that want to increase their profits.Capitalism created the wealthiest nation and the wealthiest population in human history.Wealthy in terms of the amount of consumption maybe. True wealth is counted by the things money can’t buy in my opinion. BTW, the US is also the most wasteful nation in human history.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Ok Coldfire; so you are convinced that capitalism is bad. I disagree, but that is just a difference of opinion. Lets talk fact and forget opinion for a minute. You seem to agree that the US has created a great deal of individual wealth. Yes, the mega wealthy make you and i look like less than paupers, but we are still far wealthier than most of the world. that's fact one. No communist society compares in either wealth or personal freedom. None. Fact two.Response?