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Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

I'm sure it does, but that doesn't rebut my statement by any means. You are never going to have 100% agreement on terms, that doesn't mean we don't have a general understanding of what is being discussed, or to know that we you are referring to isn't part of what is being discussed. I notice you like to muddy the waters so that you can inject whatever nonsense into the argument without anybody noticing.Sorry, but your unsavory debate tactics may work on novice debaters, but not on I.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I'm sure it does, but that doesn't rebut my statement by any means.Clearly none that you are quite prepared to accept.You are never going to have 100% agreement on termsIn light of that, would you DISAGREE that god is a term with an especially low percentage of agreement on the meaning so to speak?that doesn't mean we don't have a general understanding of what is being discussedNeither does it mean that settling for your current "general understanding" is adequate.I notice you like to muddy the waters so that you can inject whatever nonsense into the argument without anybody noticing.You've got me figured out then, I should go hang my head in shame after being so plainly exposed. Here's a quote I picked out for you.“When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself.” ~DyerSorry, but your unsavory debate tactics may work on novice debaters, but not on I.Here I am just a novice trying to use novice tactics against someone who implies themselves to be an expert at debating. I hope it doesn't leave too bad a taste in your mouth when I tell you that my tactics HAVE worked on you just fine. You've found it worth giving your two cent response every time...PROVING that you aren't comfortable leaving the texts between us to reflect whatever they may.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Haven't you learned by now that Bohemian is the only one that knows all. (haha) He will never state anything that is not of popular opinion or of his own accord. His only weapon is to cry fallacy when in doubt. Those muddy waters are so clear.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

It is childish to accuse others of thinking they 'know it all'. This assumes one must 'know it all' in order to know more than you. Which is certainly not the case.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I'm taking it that you are calling me childish, "am not". Your turn (are too). I know better than to ever proclaim "knowing it all". Do you? Shut up for a second and reflect all that you have written; the answer will be come clear.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

I'm taking it that you are calling me childishI'm calling what you said childish. As it is.I know better than to ever proclaim "knowing it all". Do you?Precisely why I have never claimed to know it all.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Now your claiming that you don't know it all. If you don't know it all, then how do you know this?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Because obviously 'This' does not require all-knowing omniscience to know. Examination, experience and study are generally the ways people acquire knowledge.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Are you also aware that you have the super-power to talk out your ass, because this to is obvious. Please examine all that everybody else has experienced and you to will see this to be the truth.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Well, your arguments are generally very easy to refute.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

You don't refute anything, lying is not refuting .
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Dissenting opinion =/= lie
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

It said in the first chapter of the Bible Genenis Chapter 1 verse 1 In the beginning God created the Heavens and earth.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

It says in the Poetic Edda in Völuspá, that Odin created man and earth out of the slain Giant Ymir.Because it is written, it must be true, correct? This is what you are saying, yes?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

No that is not what i am saying. I am saying in the Bible that God created the Heavens and the earth. If there was no God we would not exist and there wouldnt be a earth
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

This argument only holds true, if the biblical account of creation were the only possible explanation. It's not. Have you not read literature besides that of your own theology?Formation of Earth:http://geology.about.com/od/nutshells/a/ aa_earthbirth.htm
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

But you have to prove that we wouldn't be here without God creating us. And then you have to prove the god of the Bible is the one who created us.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

look all around you... how could ther be no God and such beautiful creations....
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Because of nature... Unless you believe science is non-existent?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

I have to appreciate a man who reads the Eddas.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

if the bible didn't contradict itselfand the laws of physics (e.g an earth with water and plants and trees and night and day, before there was a sun)then you would at least have one old book to support you - mediocre at best.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

first off the bible says that god first said let there be light (aka the sun) and there was light
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Now that you've actually cracked the seal on your bible and made it all the way to verse 3 - why don't you read a little further and tell me what God creates on day 4...
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

very welll that is indisputable that it says that but you do realize if and in my oppeniopn when the scientists discover god is real he would be all mighty therefore it wouldnt have to be in order plus the bible (not surfe where) says that a day to god is a thousnd years to god so opbviously time is different to him so four days could be four seconds
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

when the scientists discover god is realnotice that you only care about science when it proves god exists;when it shows the bible to be wrong, then who needs science...so hopefully you'll forgive that I don't give too much weight to your "oppeniopn".I can understand the people of the bible creating stories to explain lightning, asteroids, comets, earthquakes, volcanoes, sickness, childbirth, and creation, etc. since they didn't know how those things worked, but it is harder to understand people today believing those same stories now that we have learned (through science) how those things work.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

therefore it wouldnt have to be in orderIf you are going to insist that the Bible is the infallible word of God, then yes it must. Otherwise it wouldn't be infallible then, would it?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

The Bible might be old but it can tell you stuff that you didnt know about and the Bible is the most accurate book. Everything that is in it is correct all the other books says someone else created the earth was wrong.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Everything that is in it is correct That is demonstrably false. The Bible asserts that the Earth is no older than 4000 years, when it is in fact over four billion years old.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Everything that is in it is correctAnd you believe the Earth is older than the sun?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

You know you guys if you want to know that God exist go to a church and ask the pastor or read the Bible it has many answers for you that God truly exist or ask a Christian.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

You are making some broad assumptions here. You have no way of knowing how much time I have spent in church, how many pastors/priests etc. that I have talked with, how many apologetics books I've read, how many Christian friends and family members I've listened to, how much time I've spent on Christian sites. And its not just Christianity. I have checked out all the world's big ones to some extent, as well as many lesser known or non-local religions, and a few dead ones. I have a pretty broad view of religion...read the Bible...Why should I not read the Koran, or the Bhagavad Gita or the Pali Canon, or any other religious book? The followers of these books all claim that theirs is right. Most of their view is simply based on the environment in which they were raised. Not too objective, huh?...ask the Pastor..I've talked to a few. They haven't said anything I haven't heard before, and the arguments they make don't get less illogical or incomplete just because a pastor is saying them. Ultimately, when I start to challenge them, they resort to telling me that I just have to have faith. But faith should never be used as a substitute for inquiry...so I walk away just as convinced that they don't know anymore than I do concerning the veracity of God.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

well think about this the diciples followed jesus with all their hearts and were willing to die and they knew him yet they still put their lives at risk so they were either stupid or had enough proof to belive in him also you cant exactly say anything since your belief also calls for faith and the world is so beutiful it cant be created by chance which means that ur relogen is just as shady as ours ps i just want to debate please no mean comments
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

well think about this the diciples followed jesus with all their hearts and were willing to die and they knew him yet they still put their lives at riskThis has happened countless times throughout history. For instance, the Buddha and Mohammad. Does that mean that were also right about everything they taught? Or, for a darker example, what about the members of cults who take their own lives for their leader? cant exactly say anything since your belief also calls for faithSuch as? the world is so beutiful it cant be created by chanceI already responded to this in a previous debate with you. Beauty is subjective, so that doesn't really go too far in identifying objective truth. And while there is an element of chance involved in the creation of the world, it is also really just the culmination of a string of cause and effect, with the theories used to describe it being based on observable and testable pieces of evidence. ur relogen is just as shadyI'm not a part of any religion.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

This assumes that the pastor is correct, or that the bible is true. There are many religions, how is it that you came to the conclusion that yours is the correct one?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

if you happen to ask an atheist instead - does that make the bible false?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Did you know that the Bible is one of the accurate books on the earth. When archeaologists wanted to study where Jesus went they went to the Bible and they found answers. Also a lot of people back then thought that the world was flat but Christopher Columbus went to the Bible and found that the earth was round not flat
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Nope my friend, the bible doesn't state that the earth is round. In fact many people was crucified by the church (in the old days, back then). There are many sites that explain, Galileo was put to death (by the church), because of his theory that the earth was round. Of course there are also many sites these days that explain the oppsite. That galileo death was not of this theory. Never the less, the theory that the earth was flat back then was very popular, and the church didn't deny this. So can you state 'where' in the bible that God said the earth is round? Coz i cant seem to find it anywhere
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Galileo was put to death (by the church), because of his theory that the earth was round.This is false. Galileo was not put to death, he was imprisoned because he taught a heliocentric model of the Universe. Galileo was declared a heretic and imprisoned where after he died of natural causes.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

because he taught a heliocentric model of the Universe.Also false. He was imprisoned for publicly humiliating Pope Urban VIII, at the time one of the most powerful men in the world. This is not a defense however of that action, I still find it reprehensible but this was not a science vs. religion thing as its been portrayed here.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: Yes

Also false. He was imprisoned for publicly humiliating Pope Urban VIIIThat was the explanation given by the prevailing authorities of the time, but when they talk about humiliating the Pope they are referring to his contrary beliefs, ie a Heliocentric universe. I was also pointing out the person I am replying to that Galileo was not teaching a spherical earth he was teaching a heliocentric universe, one wherein the earth revolves around the sun (and not vice versa).
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Ummmm...what about how the bible justified slavery or battery of women? Slave owners and abusive men went to the bible for that...
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

ha. I think your post might be satire - if so, you are hilarious!!!
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Yes, though people may call him/her by a different name it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Also, there's a difference between believing in God and taking part in an organized religion.At any rate, it isn't something that's worth arguing over. You either believe or you don't."I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is here [points to head] and here [points to heart] and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not."~Hospitaller (from 'Kingdom Of Heaven')
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I would challenge anyone to show me proof that there is no God. An atheist makes a factual statement.......THERE IS NO GOD. In order to do this, they would have to have all the knowledge in the universe. That is impossible. So give us proof that there is no God, that everything was created by random change...that life came from NOTHING. We are not claiming that we can prove...there is a God, we just have faith in the things we have seen and through our experiences and the evidences of the Bible that have been verified. We believe by faith, something God values. You who say He does not exist are making a faith judgement...the same thing we are doing. Einstein said that mankind grasps less than one percent knowledge mankind possesses. of total knowledge. If we have only one percent of total knowledge, would it not be possible for God to exist in the other ninety-nine percent? At best you can only say that you don't know if there is a God or if there isn't.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Does anyone else see the sheer hypocrisy here? They can't make the statement that there is no God because they look riduculousBut you make the statement there is a God when you have no proof either.You talk about providing evidence.....you would have to know everything to say for certainty that there is no evidence for GodYou would have to know everything to say for certain that there is a God!It takes faith to believe that something comes from nothing. Is that possible?But God must have come from nothing.I give up...there's too much.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Don't worry, I covered several of the other points .
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Technically atheists just lack a belief in god, they don't necessarily believe in the non-existence of god. Also, a god in general is too ambiguous, in order to state weather some god exists one must know which god one is speaking of. Many atheists have no problem with pantheists, even with the gods of modern pagans, yet they do with the god of the 3 Abrahamic religions. Well I can't speak for all atheists, I can say that the god of the abrahamic religions appears to posses several logical contradictions in its definition. Also If a being is supernatural, then by simple logic it is unknowable. If it is unknowable, then its true, or objective, meaning to humanity is unknowable and thus its existence is rather a meaningless point. Well some atheists do make unverifiable claims concerning god, the same as every traditional theist, not all of them do.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

"Technically atheists just lack a belief in god, they don't necessarily believe in the non-existence of god."The trouble is that atheist don't just use this meaning, they act upon it. They attack God and religion, making atheism a religion. They don't lack a belief, they just have a different one.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Fervent opposition does not requisite religion. You are speaking as if strong belief and religion were interchangeable concepts...that is not the case.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Atheist claim to use facts not beliefs. Now you claim to believe, according to you this is what is wrong with religion. Can't have it both ways.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

What on earth are you talking about? When have I, or anyone else for that matter, claimed to not hold beliefs? Everybody has beliefs, it's part of being human. Having beliefs does not in any way preclude or exclude the use of facts. Beliefs are sometimes based on facts, some more than others. So Yes, you can have it both ways. You can hold beliefs and still use facts to support 'said beliefs.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

You have attacked religions because it takes faith and then you admit to having faith. Beliefs are always based on facts, the problem is some refuse to use all of them. You throw out anything that is deemed religious without even considering it to be a possibility; Who is the blind one?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

No, I have admitted to having belief. Having belief and having faith are two separate (but related) concepts. Faith is a particular kind of belief. Faith (the religious kind) is fervent belief despite the absence of evidence. I have not admitted anywhere to having any such faith. I have admitted only to having belief. I do not criticize religion because it requires belief, many things require belief. I criticize religion because it relies on hearsay and anecdotes.Remember that I am an ex-christian. I have seen both sides of the fence. I understand Christianity better than most Christians do. I understand Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism better than most Christians do. I am currently reading the Koran. So tell me, who is the blind one?How lucky must one be to be raised in the correct religion?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

"How lucky must one be to be raised in the correct religion?"I don't belong to any religion, I just believe in Christianity. A religion is something organized, like atheism.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

I don't belong to any religion, I just believe in Christianity.Christianity is a religion. Have any other self-refuting statements to make, because I would love to hear them?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

If one belief is not a religion than another belief must not be a religion by the same token. Religion: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. (American Heritage)If atheism is not a religion than neither is Christianity. Try being consistent for a change. I know you prefer the pick and choose method. Pick the parts you like and choose to ignore the rest.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

If one belief is not a religion than another belief must not be a religion by the same token. I've spent the past 20 minutes trying to put into concise words exactly why this statement is completely insane and I think I've got it.The "same token" you are referring to is the fact that it is a belief, yet the fact that something is a belief in no way requires or concludes that it must also be a religion.You are essentially saying:X is ZthereforeB is ZAnybody who knows anything about logic, knows that this an illogical statementReligion: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.By this definition Football fanaticism is a religion. In the same vain that something dangerous, difficult, or unpleasant is murder. Of course that's not what we are talking about, is it?What you listed was an informal definition, to conflate it with the literal definition and then to assert they mean the same thing is either naive or disingenuous.If atheism is not a religion than neither is Christianity. If a Rabbit isn't a bird then neither is an Ostrich.I know you prefer the pick and choose method.No, I prefer the 'Does it fit the definition?' method.Religion:–noun1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Does Christianity fit this definition? Yes. Does atheism fit this definition? No.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Your the one that says x=y, but y doesn't equal x. I simply say if x=y then y=x. What's not to get? Learn basic math and all will be clear.You truly are a man that takes Einstein's qoute seriously."If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." Albert Einstein
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Your the one that says x=y, but y doesn't equal x. I simply say if x=y then y=x.And what exactly are X and Y supposed to represent in this example? I don't see how it would even work with just two variables. Any sort of logical formula requires at least two premises and a conclusion, otherwise you would just have a redundancy. How do you express that formula with just two variables?This is the reason I structured it thusly:X = ZthereforeB = Z(X-Christianity)(Z-Religion)(B-Atheism)If you know anything about logic, you would know the above statement is illogical. The reason it is illogical is because the first statement doesn't support the second statement, you need to establish a valid relationship between X and B to make that conclusion. It is just as likely that B = Y or that B = A.You have demonstrated repeatedly that you lack a basic grasp of logical thinking.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

Yes, we are all aware that you and only you hold the patent to logic. How do we know this? You keep telling us.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

There is no patent to logic. People understand logic to varying degrees.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

What!!! No patent to logic. I'm so glad you understand sarcasm so well.  For one that thinks so highly of yourself, you sure miss the point so often.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

You aren't even debating me at this point, you're just trying to insult me. Devise a competent rebuttal and maybe we can talk.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

Is religion a system of beliefs or actions?Is the best defense a good offense?
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I have a question if you guys think that there is no God then who made the earth? Who created us? If we didnt have a God then there would be no earth and all of us wouldnt be here today. All there would be was darkness and nothing would be there.