azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well I respect you for that. I am not an emotional person either and I can find common ground with you in this. I embrace the tough questions that you have to offer because I think it is important to challenge my own world view. If there are flaws in my thinking, I would like to iron them out. I also find religion to be intellectually stimulating, but probably for slightly different reasons than you. I find that it is similar to an arms race for the mind. When one side comes up with a point to refute the other, there is often a strong rebuttal. We could easily go back and forth for days on these subjects.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Yet for me it still begs the question. If your suffering did have some good effect somehow in the future, isn't it unjust to judge individuals based on their personal choices yet subject them to torment for some overall goodI yield back to the "define hell", "Jewish concepts of hell", and Jesus being a figurative and allegorical speaking person. We really have no good definition of any eternal hell that you are referring to. For all we know many unbelievers simply die, are judged, and then their end comences. Any concepts of an eternal hell would need examined on an individual verse basis and an examination of the context.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I would probably guess that the hell many christians beliefs flock to may be in reference to "Dante's Inferno". This literature was quite famous for its time and many people took it to heart. I know that in the Catholic church, the accounts of Saints are taken literally. For instance, there is a saint who claims to have been shown Hell in a vision. The church accepted this as truth and an apparation from God himself. I'm still not quite sure which denomination you subscribe to, but I was raised in a very strict catholic environment and have some good knowlegde of this branch in Christianity. Honestly if Hell was not this torturous dimension that many seem to make it out to be, the idea that God would send people there wouldn't bother me as much. I think that is one of the biggest factors in why I reject Christianity in general. I don't like the idea of a God that would punish his people that severely in such a confusing and misleading world.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

For example: What do you interpret this verse to mean literally?"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.'http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-28.htm
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I interpret it to mean that you should fear God. Its a warning meant to scare those who do not believe and keep those with belief in the church. Your soul is apparently the most intimate part of yourself. It's an idea created that is abstract enough for people to think they have something to lose in the spiritual dimension. Yet there is no real reason to believe there is one. At least I haven't come across it. What I would call my soul is merely consciousness.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Shouldn't a person of good faith see some benefit of it in their lifetimeI see this as a subjective appeal. If this person has eternal life in a utopian reality of happiness, reward and bliss, I wouldn't find that it really matters.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Shouldn't the one who rejects God feel the torment? This is a highly unconvincing appeal to me if people are "tormented for eternity". If they don't face anything but death, 50-100 years of not being tormented is hardly a reward, and the memory of them would fade into dust.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

See it makes more sense to me that you should be punished in your life now. That is what the jewish faith believes (at least they used to. It's more complicated in modern times). There should be some sort of evidence of God's influence in your life. If not, what is the point of prayer? God is just going to sit back and let it all play out and then grade you on your test later? I find that unjust. There need to be signs and affirmations of God in this life. If you try really hard to follow god's laws, is there no reward for that? You just have to wait and see?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Why does the innocent have to suffer in order for the sinner to benefitPain is a highly educational device. So are many other negative reinforcements. So is reward to be fair. If we are to live eternally, less than 100 years seems a small price to endure. Perhaps the pain and suffering educates one to handle eternal life well.One theory suggests that this is all for God's benefit, quoting the verse that says "all things were created by him, for him."It suggests that believers do not remember any of this in Heaven, but God does. Imagine yourself waking up as a child in Heaven one day. You have no memory of this life. God/Christ calls you to him. You run to him. You climb on his lap. You both laugh. You look into his eyes in awe just enjoying with no fear or pain and a naive disposition. He looks into your eyes. You don't remember clutching faith to the death, to the bitter end... but he does, and it resides in his mind and heart for eternity. He knows the depth of your love for him in the darkness, thus your love for him in the light isn't pointless, but treasured by him.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

That's a nice theory, but how can we know this to be true? It doesn't say anything about that in the bible. Honestly, if this life was just a big trial of suffering in order to prove love to god, it would be nice to have some sort of evidence or proof instead of just being left to wander around with all this other confusing stuff. There's no way for anyone to get it right except for a small percentage. Even if one form of Christianity was right, the majority of the world would be in sin and confusion. It doesn't make sense to me that a God would expect anyone to really understand what to do with so little evidence of it being true. It seems more likely that it's a trap. Like a creepy guy luring a child into a van with the promise of candy once he gets in. Im supposed to just hop into the van because he said? Thats not a very good reason.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Honestly, if this life was just a big trial of suffering in order to prove love to god, it would be nice to have some sort of evidence or proof instead of just being left to wander around with all this other confusing stuffGiving people all of the answers isn't very "test like". Giving them a plethera of options and seeing what they gravitate towards is a better test.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

More like letting them know that they are taking a test would be nice. Some people don't think they are being tested.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There's no way for anyone to get it right except for a small percentage1)2.6 billion adherants is quite a lot of people actually. And that's just the Christians who are currently alive.2)You were presented the gospel from your youth and rejected it. If it is true "I didn't know" might not be a logical or correct answer.3)In theory if someone gravitates away from the gospel, it might expose something about the person that God is looking to correct or even reject. It's an unknowable variable.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

1) You have to take into account the different denominations. In some, other christians would definitely be eligible for Hell. So it depends on which version of the bible is correct as well as which interpretation.2) I was also presented many other religious texts. How am I to know which one is verifiably from the one true god?3) It might be. Another theory is that it might be something flawed in the gospel. The person might have noticed it isn't from the real god.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

You have to take into account the different denominations. In some, other christians would definitely be eligible for Hell. So it depends on which version of the bible is correct as well as which interpretationIt still wouldn't change the true truth either way.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Exactly. There has to be an objective reality. So talking semantics is pointless. There needs to be some way to verify what is real. I think it's all the same. They are all fake.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

I was also presented many other religious texts. How am I to know which one is verifiably from the one true godThis a completely different debate. Buddhism isn't theistic and makes no claims on God, so it is out.Hinduism is bat crazy and it would be a lengthy debate to crawl through its panthera, but I will if need be.Judaism had no messiah ever come and its prophecies stalled at Jesus birth. Islam is easy to dismantle. If you want those arguments, I'll provide them on request.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Buddhism may not be theistic, but it's moral structure is definitely different than the one in christianity. There's a different perspective entirely as to what is truly right and wrong. Hinduism is bat crazy, but so is Christianity. They both have exactly the same appeal in my eyes. Everything you would say to show that Hindu gods do not exist, I would say the same for the Christian god. Judaism is the foundation for Christianity. In fact, I think it makes more sense than Christianity. It's literally the same God so in proving the Jewish God to exist, you would be doing half the work for your own religion.Islam is also the same god at its core. If you say it is easy to dismantle, I would like to see you do it. If you are suggesting dismantling it with the bible, I wouldn't take this as evidence. I could dismantle it the same way I would Christianity.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Hinduism is bat crazy, but so is Christianity. They both have exactly the same appeal in my eyes. Everything you would say to show that Hindu gods do not exist, I would say the same for the Christian godI believe they do exist, so it wouldn't prove an easy argument for you.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

You believe the Hindu gods exist?! That is something I've never heard from a Christian. I've gotta hear this.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Judaism is the foundation for Christianity. In fact, I think it makes more sense than Christianity. It's literally the same God so in proving the Jewish God to exist, you would be doing half the work for your own religion.Judaism is dead without its messiah. Its prophecies also stopped just before Jesus' birth. If not Jesus, then it simply never happened, and the timing of their stoppage is hard for my opponent to explain away.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

What do you mean their stoppage? They are still a very prevalent religion today. There are synagogues all over. They are still waiting for the messiah.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

1)They got prophecies all the way up to Jesus' birth. Why the stoppage of prophecies and whythen?2)You yourself used the "been waiting for him a long time" argument, thus if it is a logical argument to you, then it still holds logic when I use it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Christianity has a stoppage point as well. There are no new texts in the bible. They are still waiting on Revelations just like the Jews are waiting on the Messiah.Well if you are going to credit my argument in the case of the Jews, it should hold credit when refuting Christianity as well.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Christianity has a stoppage point as well. There are no new texts in the bible. They are still waiting on Revelations just like the Jews are waiting on the MessiahRevelation says there will be no more prophecies and no more words added.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Ah how convenient. So it's okay for Christianity to stop it's predictions since somebody wrote it in the text itself. I see no difference in a book that has "The End" written in it. They both are just going to take their time waiting.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Well if you are going to credit my argument in the case of the Jews, it should hold credit when refuting Christianity as well.I don't agree with it, but you used it, so I am now using it against you, since you do agree with it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

If you're going to use it, you might as well agree with it. Otherwise, it does you know justice. I agree with it so basically you are just making my point for me.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Not really. I don't have to convince me. I have to convince you, and you already see it this way. Nevertheless, if I avert from this course, I can hold to my no propecies, timing of the cutoof, and the God using a Jewish Christian alliance to protect the Jews through the course of history.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

You don't have to convince me of the fallacy in the Jewish philosophy. We agree on that. You have to convince me why Judaism is not valid while Christianity is. My argument is that both ideologies are equally false. So using God to prove a religion wrong means nothing to me. They are both wrong for the same reasons.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

I think Judaism is valid. In the Bible God strikes down those who come against Israel in the end.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Maybe in the bible he does. But I don't see God striking anyone down in real life.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/06/six-day-war-proves-israel-a-modern-miracle/
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

So you are arguing in favor of Judaism? Why would you subscribe to Christianity over Judaism?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

I think they are both right. If Judaism is wrong, Christianity is as well by default. The only difference is we think Christ has come and they are not sure. There are 2 covenants in the Bible. They would be saved the same way OT people were. Faith in God and that he would provide salvation.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Damn you really do surprise me. I still want to know how you think Hindu gods exist. That was something I was looking forward to.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Baal zebub- Lord of the Demons-http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2255-baal-zebubhttp://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/social-affairs/20070111/baal-ashtoreth-and-molech-gods-old-testament-rivalshttp://biblehub.com/2kings/1-16.htmhttp://biblehub.com/2corinthians/4-4.htm"They offered sacrifices to demons, which are not God, to gods they had not known before, to new gods only recently arrived, to gods their ancestors had never feared." Deuteronomy 32:17Mecca, Islamic clock tower-http://www.beskiller.com/Images7/makkah%20clock%20.jpgHinduism-https://cdn.dollsofindia.com/images/products/vishnu-pictures/trinity-brahma-vishnu-shiva-PG76l.jpgProphets of Baal-(Baal zebub in Jewish encyclopedia-So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed." 1 Kings 18:28Muslims practice the same rituals as Baal worshippers-https://www.rt.com/news/319654-ashura-blood-muslim-cut/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1957207/pakistani-muslims-cut-themselves-to-shreds-during-brutal-blood-letting-ritual-to-mark-death-of-muhammads-grandson/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3829438/Bleeding-beliefs-Afghan-Shiite-Muslims-self-flagellate-sharp-blades-mourn-death-Prophet-s-grandson-1-300-years-ago.html-Hindu blood rituals/Thaipusam-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel news/article-2751816/Religious-Hindu-devotees-pierce-cheeks-spears-carry-decorated-altars-weighing-60lbs-celebrate-god-war.html Thaipusam pics-http://static.asiawebdirect.com/m/kl/portals/kuala-lumpur-ws/homepage/magazine/thaipusam/allParagraphs/BucketComponent/ListingContainer/201/BucketList/011/image1/thaipusam03.jpg http://s3.india.com/travel/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Thaipusam-fest-2.jpg http://img.infonet.vn/w480/Uploaded/vietkhanh/2014 0821/Xokhuyen17.jpghttps://vivas.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/14.01591925.jpg
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

You just sent me a bunch of links showing me that people worship Baal and other gods. There is no argument for any of the Hindu gods in any of these links, nor do they show that they exist whatsoever. Plus, I have no idea what the clocktower or images of piercings are supposed to prove. This all comes from man.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

The point is...The Bible is clear that there literaly are other gods who aren't the omnipotent creator. That's the main point. And seeing Islam, Hinduism and Baal worship all use the exact same style crescent symbol, and even all 3 practice blood rituals, I can use basic logic to say that if the God of the Bible exists, so do these, and that if he exists, these are demonic.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

So you are saying that these Hindu gods are actually demons or are you saying that they are gods as well? Also, just because there is a crescent symbol in several of the religions, doesn't mean its the same god. There is a fish in many religions also. That doesn't mean they all worship Jesus. There are crosses all over the place too. I was hoping you were going to show me evidence, but I should have known better. Showing me parallels between religions doesn't say anything about the actual existence of these beings. It just shows me something about the culture and their symbolism. There's nothing at all to say that these beings literally exist at all. In fact, I believe it just weakens your argument for the existence of your God in the first place.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

So you are saying that these Hindu gods are actually demons or are you saying that they are gods as well? Also, just because there is a crescent symbol in several of the religions, doesn't mean its the same god. There is a fish in many religions alsoDemons being worshipped as gods.They share official symbols , official practices, and official modes of worship.The Jesus fish isn't an official or ancient symbol. It's a bumper emblem.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

The Jesus fish is definitely a symbol for Christianity. It's not just something we came up with for a bumper. It has a history with the church. So does the cross obviously. Just because cultures share a symbol doesn't mean they are referring to the same thing. People see the same shape and like to draw conclusions. Just like how everybody thinks the triangle means people are involved in the illuminati. You are making connections to things that aren't necessarily connected. It still says nothing about whether they exist or not. Just because people worship them doesn't mean they're there. What about native american spirituality or the aztec gods? What about the Egyptian gods? They all are just people trying to make sense of this world. They all got it wrong.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

There's nothing at all to say that these beings literally exist at all. In fact, I believe it just weakens your argument for the existence of your God in the first placeNot really. At the pace the world religions are headed, the God of Abraham will have consumed the entire theistic world soon as was predicted. Hinduism is quickly being replaced by Islam. It won't be long. That's quite a show of power for someone whodoesn't exist.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

You know what else is spreading rapidly? Non belief. People are getting smarter and rejecting these archaic ideas. Christianity is a more advanced religion than the pagan ones. It makes more sense for a modern world. So does Islam, but I think they have other techniques for indoctrination. Atheism is also growing. People are willing to leave this stuff behind because it doesn't make sense and there is no evidence for it. Im pretty sure that the more people get educated, the less likely they are to participate in religion.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

You know what else is spreading rapidly? Non beliefThe Bible said that was coming after the gospel went to every nation. I'm not surprised.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Like I said before, that is an easy prediction to make. Of course you would predict people would reject the belief. Thats what happens with literally every belief system. There's always a group of people who don't agree. Shoot we don't even have a consensus that the world is round or that people landed on the moon.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

And Jesus himself asked the question, "will there be faith left on the Earth when I return?" It's quite an odd question for someone to ask who earlier told us the gospel would go worldwide.The Bible also says specifically that there will be a "falling away" from the faith before his return.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Because that's an easy prediction. That's what happens over time. People lose interest. People will lose interest in the secular view as well. We have already come up with new ways to express spirituality in this generation alone. Have you heard of the new meme religion? What about all the yoga, chakra, eastern philosophy stuff that is popular? Change always happens. No surprise there.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Non belief. People are getting smarter and rejecting these archaic ideasIf that were correct, Witchcraft wouldn't be the new fastest growing religion in the United States.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I don't know if that's true. I need to see an article or something. I would guess it's more that Neo spirituality with the alternative medicine, yoga, palm reading, and chakras.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

1)You can google it.2)They do blood rituals.3)These are the people who "put a hex on Trump".
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I don't know which comment this is disputing. I can't navigate this site. We've gone too deep.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

People are willing to leave this stuff behind because it doesn't make senseIt makes sense to me. Of course, I'm not a literalist. If I were, it'd be harder to swallow.Im pretty sure that the more people get educated, the less likely they are to participate in religion.I wouldn't count on it. Most people in the world are religious, and the idea of a purposeless world doesn't work for most people. Also, Islam is spreading in the West, and it is less tolerant of atheism than Christianity.