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Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

Ok Bro... heres the deal:"China's territory is too big" Chinese soldiers are based to fight in mountainous, plains and forest terrains which make them a big threat as they can serve all terrains while US. Soldiers are mainly desert terrain. They do not need to invade the USA but Leon Panetta said " The internet is the new warzone". They can still win."China can draft 350,000,000 people to fight" They definitely have the resources to support them. Why have no resources but a reserve contingent. Definitely worth thinking about. "China can shoot down their sats which most US military depend on" First of all, get your facts right. The US does not have thousands of satellites in space. It is very easy to find them as each one sends out a type of signal which China can easily intercept. Once intercepted, all China needs to do is keep the signal blocked which is easy as we have seen the hacking skills China has. China does not have as many sats in space which makes it a lot more difficult to find them which apparently you did not think off as well."U.S jets would would not dare to fly deep into China airspace without getting shot down." Are you really sure that China does not have enough resources to detect stealth aircraft. First of all, China has stealth 5th generation aircraft as well and second of all, F-22 maybe stealth but the moment they open their bomb bays, the stealth is off and can still be detected. Besides, China's Surface-Air missiles are huge, as they have 21 types of them including some state-of-the-art ones."China is increasing their sub fleet to be the largest in the world." You have no proof that China is not increasing at a faster rate than the US. The US would not be able to handle China in their own territory and China's airforce, navy and army capabilities are increasing at a faster pace than everyone else in the world."They will defeat the U.S navy with subs fleet. China will not go head on with U.S in battles, they will do sneaky attacks to wear U.S down then defeat them in a dragnet." Doesn't mean more ships guarantee your win, with better tactics, one can still win with a few subs."China will unleash their cyber soldiers to weak havoc on U.S systems." I agree with ya
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

for the record....The USA is larger than china...The USA is 3.79 million square miles and China is only 3.69 million square miles..........
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

You fail to realize that due to modern technology in weapons, manpower does not have as big affect as it did in the past. China could never occupy the United States, because the US has the biggest and most technically advanced navy in the world. And, in terms of air force, the US has again, the most technically advanced air force in the world. China would get bombed into submission. With only 20% of China's population living in city's, it would be easy to wipe them out. The rest are substance farmers (Farmers the farm for only their own consumption). While the US produces the most food in the world. The US as well has arguable the most elite special operation units in the world. The Navy Seals have killed the most dangerous terrorist (Osama Ben Laden). They sniped the Somalian pirates, and saved a merchant ship captain. This proves their effectiveness, so the Chinese would actually be in danger because of special operations.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

ASBM's, ASAT's, cyber warriors, the IOU's, the U.S is finished. If China were to expanded their territory, they just need to arm their people with machine guns, ammo's , rpg's, They will start out with smaller country, SK, SE asia, the far east siberia, russia, the stan's, then the europeans.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: yes, doable

Quality before quantity. Xerxes III outnumbered Alexander the Great in every battle they fought, but Alexander still won. Xerxes' men were light infantry and not very well trained, even tho he did have many of them. What about air support? Ever since the dawn of the fighter plane, no war has ever been won without air dominance (not counting guerilla warfare wars).
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

maomao76: China does not have the resources to do what you said. Old fashioned conquest by an organized militia army, as you described, would be extremely ineffective. Modern warfare depends on air superiority. Old soviet rpg's will not have any impact on the US's ability to dominate the skies, no matter where the field of battle ends up. Given the aggression and arrogance of those in control in addition to their status as a major world power, China would not resort to guerilla tactics; they would engage the enemy forces directly. This would be to the US's advantage, as finding and engaging enemies intermingled with a civilian population --as they have done during their most recent guerilla wars-- makes it much harder to flex the real airborne muscle. Rather than patrolling on the ground, air to air and air to surface engagements will be most significant. No large assembly of Chinese forces or strategic point can be fully protected in this scenario. The US has much more advanced aircraft and airborne weapons systems and in greater numbers; they have spent several times more on defense spending and weapons development than any other county on the planet. With the devastating effectiveness of today's weaponry, I think having a more technologically focused army is far more valuable than having an impressively large militia. For these reasons, a war between china and my chosen opposition, the United States, would be devastating for both sides but assuming that nuclear war doesn't commence and screw us all, A US victory is much more probable.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

It would be terribly unfortunate if the US and China were to go to war, but it would likely be as a result of tensions over Taiwan. A war in China would likely drawn in a number of world powers, like Russia, possibly starting a large engagement of the super powers. Clearly democratic world powers would have some technological advantages. But, instability in some of the communist countries may lead to foolish decisions and a nuclear exchange, which means everyone world-wide would be a net looser. So, for the warmongers out there, lets hope this never occurs. Research nuclear proliferation to see who has the nukes around the Globe. There are enough nuclear arms to destroy the entire planet several times over, and don't think this wouldn't happen given in the event of a nuclear launch by any country. Nuclear facilities in all countries are ready to launch within a few minutes of notice. In terms of invasion, China has a big disadvantage on US soil. If they were to invade the United States, keep in mind not only technological advantages, but also that 50% of the US population is armed under second amendment rights. Citizens alone have enough weaponry to arm every US citizen several times over and enough ammunition to eliminate any invader many times over. Its not uncommon for a gun owner in the United States to have 5,000-50,000 rounds of ammunition. So, Chinese military numbers would be less an issue given large para military and militia groups that would rise up in such an event in the United States. Note that China has fewer arms, and its illegal for their citizens to bear arms of any kind. War with the U.S. would not be fruitful if it couldn't ultimately result in a victory.The United States isn't interested in invading China and would prefer peaceful, diplomatic solutions. If the United States and allies were to invade, air superiority in China would quickly be lost due to simple numbers and technological advances. Any military tactician knows that air superiority is the key to winning a war, though at some point troops must hit the ground. While Allied military forces have been hardened in recent battles across the globe, street engagements in China would result in a long grind and very heavy losses on both ends. Don't forget the Chinese army is well trained and equipped with effective soviet arms. They clearly have numbers of people willing to die in defense of their country. A total victory for the allies would be questionable, especially given China also has allies, and the costs would be great. Net-net, any way you cut it, such a war would be bad business for us all. Its better that we all get along peacefully, and create a world defined by cooperation, less war, and elimination and reduction of nuclear and biological weapons that are non-discriminating and kill women, children and noncombatants. Before you encourage war, picture your friends, father, mother, kids, sisters, and brothers dying....because that's the reality. War is brutal business and just creates fuel for more conflict down the road.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

I support your statement, the only thing I would possibly consider would be it very well may be Japan instead of Taiwan that would get us into that war. Other than that I think you are spot on, there is not a Country I can think of that could defeat the USA in a land invasion of US soil, there are just to many armed citizens it would be akin to a 150 million man militia, that is all together separate from the US military and reserve units. The only way the USA goes down is by Nuclear destruction which is really mutual destruction and likely the end of the World. We should be very thankful and vigilant over our 2nd amendment it was a great idea in forming the Nation that should be protected at all cost.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

I believe we can count on Chinese self interest, and self delusion, to carry the day. I believe they delude themselves with what they think they know. What should really worry them is what THEY DON"T KNOW, that they do not know. They are a miserable people: check-out the video of how they kill their own: www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1UgTZOTjHg&feature=related They are the most cold-hearted scum on the earth after muslims. This video captures the "soul" of a typical chinese. They would rather walk away from a suffering child, than risk actually helping - this video is the real chinese at their best.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

I think us self delusion in korea, vietnam iraq, afghanistan, and libya would cause alot of problems for america.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

""China can draft 350,000,000 people to fight"- do you really think that they have the resources available to them to be able to utilize that amount of people? They have no where near enough money to arm and ship out those soldiers to desired locations."Great point. I also think people are a little skewed on how rich both countries are confusing it with size of economy. Also, mobilized trained troops and military spending. The US outspends dozens of modern countries combined in spending and training
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

Hello sirius(366). I believe that it is not actually really smart for these to countries to go to war. I mean think of it for a second. We might have the technological support, they have the size of the people. THINK. These countries wouldn't go to war because if they did, both countries would lose an extreme amount of money, and even if they did the only way to settle the dispute would be between nuclear weapons. For example if America were to go to war with China, then China would stop the shipment of supplies to the United States. When that happens, then China would run out of money to support their military. When China cuts of supplies to America, then America's largest of buisnesses will suffer a great loss in money. You have to think of what you say. Most people think weapons win a war. But if you take a look, China needs money to fund their military and America needs money to fund their military. And also, when the buisnesses cannot afford to pay the workers, both countries got into a bankrupt situation. For example if America is in the Economy it is in right now, if we were to start a war, we would lose to the loss of money. I mean look what the war in Iraq and Afghanistan did to us. There wouldn't be just years of fighting. There would be at least a good 40 years of fighting beacause of the amount of people in China. They can double their population in a matter of 16 years. Think about it. And then when the two countries come to a time where they can't fight anymore, or because they've used up all their resources, then that is when they commense the nuclear war. Due to that, the world's resources will run dry because the US and China are huge countries. Remember weapons don't always help fight a war. Resources, Money, and Strategy win wars. Think about what I have said and please reply. I really don't think that these countries would want to go to war.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

Our submarine fleet is more advanced then their fleet their subs are easy to spot with sonar and are used for defense of the coast our subs make a dip in the sound levels.Our stealth fighters and bombers would strike deep into China maybe even strike Beijing that would strike a major blow to China.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

Tell me how the Chinese plan to shoot down ALL of the US and European military satellites. Plus if China did do that we would just shoot their missile down and then shoot down China's military satellites. Also our subs are much, much more advanced than the military lets on and would utterly stomp the China fleet. Also every single one of our airplanes, subs, carriers, and tanks can easily function without satellites; saying it would be a major blow is ridiculous. Our jets would be able to fly into Chinese airspace and not get shot down, dude we still have better stealth aircraft then the Chinese have stealth detection. As for the cyber soldiers, America has just as good if not better cyber soldiers than the Chinese do along with better firewalls, training, and technology.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

I have to agree with Sirius, the money it would take to afford the equiptment of the Chinese would be unbarable, trust me it is not easy making money it needs to be balanced. Another reason is China does not have any major Bases, Forts, Etc. around the Country for defence, the element of suprise is a major factor in war. We have major Air Fields and Naval bases in Japan for a reason, for any situations, the Chinese wouldn't be able to Counter-Attack in time. Another factor is the United Country's, a very big advantage because of the money that could be aided or Soldiers, Guns, and other Technology to back it up. Country's like, Great Britian, Germany, Poland, Austraila, France, Japan, Etc. that is why China wouldn't really have much of a chance. Also Chinese SATs won't be able to detect Northrop Grumman B-2 Stealth Bombers, Its capability to penetrate air defenses and threaten effective retaliation provides a strong, effective deterrent and combat force well into our century. It's a strong piece of technology, enough said.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

Yeah, but china does not have the ability to cloth, feed, arm, house, train, move , ect, ect, ect, all of those 350,000,000 people that you talk about. Also what makes you think that china has the capability to track down all of the U.S.'s stealth bombers and drones. Once we invade it would be hand to hand combat, or a 6'1 225 pound insanely trained and armed Marine; against a 5'5 150lb chinese soldier with no ammo, food, and little training. Sure there may be your oddball, 6' chinese, but either way our Basic Training is probably much better than that of the Average chinese soldier. Along with the best guns, it would just become a huge massacre like in north Korea a couple of decades back.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

True China has large land mass, 40% uninhabitable but still large. True also they have a very large population but your figure of drafting 350,000,000 is way off, you must not include: elderly, disabled, sick, children, most women. This greatly reduces your number. The US has over the last two decades focused on 5/1 principle, that is our technology of war machines of all kinds can equate to 1 Stealth Bomber equal damage 100k troops could employ, Air superiority would be won by the US within one month. Once we controlled the sky we bomb the population down by half within 4 months, and if we wanted to we could just continue this until China gave up or lost all of it's population. No need for ground fighting in this type of war; as we would not want the territory Just the end of the governing body. China has been hyped over the last decade and is no where near the hype that is bestowed upon them. We could crush their Naval forces within 6 months, and the Air forces within 1-2 months, with Air and Sea superiority they are left with just being bombing targets unable to stop the non-relenting bombing of US forces from the air and sea. All of China's war machines are supped up Soviet era equipment, they do have a few newly Made in China war machines but 1 generation compared to the US 7 generation...It no match. And as far as flying deep into China Territory truth be know we do it now what makes you think we could not then? Stealth my friend and nobody is even close to our technical advantage in that arena.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

China is advancing in missile technology coping up with USA. However missile technology is going obsolete in years to come. USA is fast progressing on laser technology. in five years time it would be available for military use.. Littoral combat ships that are stealth. Three are operational and a dozen to be constructed. Gerald Ford class AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. There would be 10 by 2050 costing 12billion each... One more thing in conventional war. 9 out of 10 Americans owns one or more guns. Basically the American population is a well trained, well fed,well disciplined STANDING ARMY.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: yes, doable

maomao... First off, US has the biggest navy (in tonnage) in the world. Even bigger than the 17 countries behind it, including China, Russia, UK, etc. Second, China uses Russina MiG29s, those will not last long in a fight with the stealth F22s. The F22s can lock a missile from 3 miles away, than fly away knowing that the MiG will be shot down. The MiG29s however, cannot lock missiles onto our F22s, hence term: stealth. Lastly, your name, Mao Zedong's "Great Leap Forward" killed 3 times as many people as Hitler killed in the Holocaust.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

Houston...Firs off, China's ASBM's will make the U.S navy sitting ducks. The ASBM's is base on ASAT weapons, if they can shoot down SAT's, it can sink the U.S navy. The aircraft carriers and most U.S surface ships are useless against ASBM's. In a sea battle the carrier will first be taken out by ASBM's , then U.S navy will have no protection from air. The China sub fleet will finished the U.S navy by picking them out from under. China have lots of old jets which will likely be outfitted with drone technology and used in the front lines as a kamakazi type assault, then the newer J-11's and fighters will follow behind to finished the job. The death during the GLF was a combination of failed industrial policy and mother nature ie. drought, floods, plague, famine. So it's not correct to say Mao kill all those people intentionally, he had good intentions to bring people into the modern world but his miscalculation cause the unfortunate deaths. Stalin and Hitler were different, they just kill people in cold blood because of race.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

Am i hearing this correctly? You be leave that a country that has a military spending of 91 billion dollars ( this is their overall high and occurred in 2010), could out class a military that consistently spends over 700 billion a year? Not to mention the fact that the average China men is stupid (China's schools were not even in the top 30 world wide) and with awful collages. Now compare that to the U.S. which is roughly 16th. But this is mearly due to the fact that America is extremely diverse, the Caucasian, Asiatic American and Jewish Americans would be in the top 3 in the world wide academics, maybe only behind South Korea (extremely strong ally of the U.S.) and Finland. Not to mention American universities are by and large the best in the world, with the U.K. being a distant 2nd. And again, China is making its new found military power open, but like the helicopter seal team 6 was in, and the drone, the beast of Kandahar show how little we know of America's military might.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: yes, doable

Maomao, first off, the ASBMs have the same effect as any other ballistic missile, which the US has a ton of. And you are expecting the J11s to actually have an effect, they are only 4th generation fighters, and were supposed to compete with the F15, not the F18, F22 or soon to come F35. By the way, only 120 J11s have been built, and China only has about 2,300 aircraft, as opposed to America's 9,700. You are also thinking America would not use any of there ballistic missiles. And, America has so many SATs, if China shot down one, just one, America's ballistic missiles would shoot down every Chinese SAT. China doesn't even have any carriers, as opposed to America's 10, soon to be 11. The ASBM's flight also takes a while, it's nothing an American satellite can't shoot down. The American sub fleet outnumber's the Chinese sub fleet to 71 to 58. Where is your proof of this "drone" technology? If anyone has drone technology it's going to be the US, and kamikaze is spelled as such. Mao's foolishness led him to believe that with a population like that he can just make millions of farmers go mine iron.You have too many "if's" in your argument, you've got to look at the facts. I'm doing a report on the US Armed Forces compared to the PLA, I'll email it to you if you like.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

email me that please i just got into a argument with my friends on this topic.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: No, almost impossible

I wish it was true but China is a force not to be messed with. Too much power and they have all the tools. Their shear size of their army stifles any country.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: yes, doable

Just bomb the hell out of them before they know what's hit 'em.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: yes, doable

Military might and numbers does not win wars. The Nazis wreaked havoc when they first implemented their Blitzkrieg strategy. Then their supply lines were stretched far beyond their capacity and they got stonewalled at Stalingrad. Which ultimately led to retreat and defeat.
Debate: Can any country defeat China if they went to war against them?
Side: Yes, doable

Too bad they wouldnt dare nor could they even afford to supply a 50 million man army a scale such as that would destroy china