azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

well, i guess i should first point out the logical fallacy of a hasty generalization...anyway:Gay MarriageBoth parties are against it. Consider this, we are currently ruled by the Democratic Party yet no legislation has been passed to legalize gay marriage.WarYou made the Democrats seem like the moderates and the Republicans seem like the extremists. If you were to present that fairly, you would have said that the Democrats were pacifists who would never fight no matter what.AbortionOnce again, making the Democrats seem like moderates while the Republicans are the extremists. If you were to present this fairly, you would have said that the Democrats believe in abortion up until the chord is cut.EvolutionRepublicans on the most part aren't concerned about this. There are extremists, of course, but most of them just say "teach it as a theory" and the small 1% of extremists are actually against teaching it at all.TaxationTaxing at an equal rate isn't actually taxing them just as much. If you are referring to Flat tax, all that means is "the government takes 10 cents for every dollar you earn". Republicans mostly accept progressive taxing but believe that over 30% for the rich is too much. Especially when that money is just going to be used to pay for the poor.ImprisonmentOnce again taking the extreme ideal. This time, though, creating a false extreme ideal out of nowhere. The Republicans wish to execute murderers and child rapists and many support the three strikes rule (as in, three strikes and you're dead). This would not result in overcrowding of prisons. Most Democrats do not believe in rehab for criminals, either, but are against the death penalty. They are more likely to overcrowd prisons. There are some Liberals who believe that criminals should be rehabilitated and not punished (because they do not understand the levels of antisocial [originally sociopath] behavior). In fact, Behavioral psychologists don't even believe that you could fix a criminal by talking about his past or rationalizing. Antisocials rationalize the idea that "I do it because it's good for me, and fuck everyone else". The only way to make them realize that they shouldn't do these things is to make them feel bad when they do it. The only other way is aversion therapy, and that's illegal nowadays.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

I hate how this was not rebutted at all... I mean, a perfect rebuttal to a blanket statement that seems to be getting much appreciation, and everyone ignores it.damn shame.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: libertarians

Libertarians are the best.Republicans are religious anti-sexuals but democrats are tree hugging pacifists.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

Heh. The problem with libertarianism is that when you take power away from the government you're giving it to corporations. Without regulation, the wealthiest 1% would ruthlessly exploit the rest of us in the name of profit. Libertarians are naive.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

No when you take power away from the government you're giving it to the people. Who told you libertarians want to give total power to corporations?liberals are naive. They haven't studied their history.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

In the words of Abraham Lincoln, Democracy is government of the people, by the people, for the people.A democratically elected government is the people.Do we elect the CEO of Wal-Mart? No.Do we elect the President of the United States? Yes.What stops Wal-Mart from using it's billions to drive every competiter out of business and thereby forcing us to buy from them alone? Anti-monopoly laws. And who enforces those laws? That's right, the government.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Voluntaryists

We do elect the CEO of Wal-Mart, or at least we have more control over that than the president. If you don't like the CEO, or disagree with any policies upheld at Wal-Mart, you can take your money elsewhere. You can tell others about the policies Wal-Mart upholds, why Wal-Mart is doing wrong, and why others should take their money elsewhere. Wal-Mart is not the only store you can shop at.With the government, you can't just take your money elsewhere if you disagree with a policy. You can spend massive amounts of time, energy, and resources to get your opinion heard- but if the majority disagrees with you than they can just continue to take your money and put you in jail if you try to resist. And even if you agree with every single policy, that's not a valid argument for forcing others to go along with those policies if they disagree.The fundamental difference is that governments are coercive, whereas corporations are not inherently coercive.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

Corporations are coercive if you're poor. People need to buy groceries from somewhere, and there are only a few affordable options. There would most likely only be one option without government regulation.It takes massive resources to be able to extract profit at such low margins like Wal-Mart does. This need for massive capital creates a nearly insurmountable barrier to entry for potential competitors. Further, if one corporation adopts shady business practices to cut costs, the others will have no choice but to follow suit to avoid losing business. The informed, idealistic segment of society is a very small market.Government needs to be coercive because many people will behave selfishly if they can get away with it.On a side note, I think it would be better to have this conversation in a separate debate, rather than nestled in some obscure corner of an earlier debate. Feel free to create a new debate if you would like to continue this conversation.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: libertarians

Gay marriageDemocrats: Support it. Gay people are cool.Libertarians: We don't agree with their sexual position but its not the governments right to tell them they cant get married.Republicans: Gay marriage is against our religion & marriage should be between a old man & a old woman.WarDemocrats: Make love not war. No fighting, fighting is not nice.Libertarians: Defend our country & freedoms.Republicans: Terrorists are evil! AbortionDemocrats: Abortion is okay.Libertarians: Abortion is bad but I support the right.Republicans: Abortion is murder & is immoral. If the couple are adult enough to have sex they should be adult enough to have a baby.EvolutionDemocrats: We are a bunch of evolved fishLibertarians: Teach only the known facts, not bullshit theories or religion.Republicans: Schools should teach religion.TaxesDemocrats: Raise taxes to waste on prisoners & bailouts. Steal from the hard working & give to free loaders.Libertarians: Lower taxes on everyone. Less government.Republicans: Tax the poor as much as the rich.PrisonsDemocrats: Make prison a good place for the prisoners to live & waste as much tax money as possible on keeping the worst ones alive.Libertarians: Stop wasting our tax money & let them kill themselves.Republicans: Stuff as many people as possible & execute them for looking at porn & having sex before marriage.I could go on but you get the idea. Liberals & Conservatives are stupid.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

Your gross over-simplifications and factual inaccuracies are tremendous.The official stance of the Democratic party is not that gay people are "cool." And the Libertarian party does not officially state they disagree with homosexuality. Neither party makes a mention of whether or not homosexuality is okay.The Democratic party is not opposed to war, and says nothing like "make love not war." Maybe what you think of as the stereotypical liberal would say that, but it just doesn't hold up to the facts.Again neither party says abortions are okay or good, but the Democratic party and Libertarian party support the right to abortions.There is no policy of the Democratic party that says evolution is true, unfortunately. Again you don't know what you are talking about.Your ignorance is rather in tune with your gusto. Once again you are incredibly ignorant.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: libertarians

You liberals are no better.All the gay people are liberal. & did I say the libertarian party said that? oh I really was talking about my views on gays.liberals are completely opposed to war. the hippy liberals say "make love not war" theres your proof. All the hippies are liberals.I was trying to give difference between the liberals & libertarians. I know they both support the right to have an abortion.The liberals want to teach evolution. Atheists believe in evolution. All atheists are liberal.Most of the liberals I've met are alot dumber.They say stuff that makes themselves look dumb.Most of them just pull random shit out of their ass & throw it.They support obama just because he's black.They say anybody who disagrees with obama is racist.They dont even know what the democrat platforms are.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

"You liberals are no better."No better at what?"All the gay people are liberal. "Not true, but what's your point."did I say the libertarian party said that?"Yes, you said "Libertarians say X""liberals are completely opposed to war. the hippy liberals say "make love not war" theres your proof. All the hippies are liberals."Wow you are so ignorant it's really kind of sad. Liberals are not completely opposed to war as I already told you. And hippies may be liberals, they do not make up a significant portion of the Democratic party."The liberals want to teach evolution."They want to teach the prevailing scientific theory on the development of species to be taught, not a religion. As does the Libertarian party like you said."All atheists are liberal."Not true."Most of the liberals I've met are alot dumber.They say stuff that makes themselves look dumb.Most of them just pull random shit out of their ass & throw it."Thanks for the vapid anecdotal claim, that was really persuasive."They support obama just because he's black.""They say anybody who disagrees with obama is racist."Incorrect and unsubstantiated."They dont even know what the democrat platforms are."*You sure about that? You wouldn't happen to have any evidence would you?
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: libertarians

1 everything. liberals are just as bad as religious anti-sexuals2 almost all gay people are liberal. name a couple gay people that arent liberal.3 whatever4 yes they are. war is the last option for them. they think we can just talk to our enemies.5 evolution has been proven wrong. its just not well known yet.6 are there really some secular people that arent liberal?who are they?7 well its true. I could show you what dumb stuff they have said.8 its true. look at all these obama supporters. go talk to them & ask them why they are supporting obama. half of them will say because he's black.9 I've met people who call themselves democrats & told them what their platforms were & they figured out they weren't. democrats.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

1. Just as bad at what?2. I'll grant you that the majority of the LGBT community probably votes democrat, but saying all gays are liberals is a generalization just like all blacks are democrats.4. Please cite evidence that the democratic party thinks we can just talk to our enemies.5. You are a moron. If you show me a peer-reviewed, widely accepted study by an actual scientific institution that disproves evolution I will PayPal you $1000 dollars. The theory of evolution is one of the most widely accepted scientific theories, and even hinting that evolution is incorrect in an academic or intellectual setting will have you laughed out of the building so fast, your head will spin.6. There is a difference between secular and atheist.7. Please do so. And I will also show you a study by the National Institute of Education which found a negative correlation between conservatism and cognitive ability. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W4M-4VHS7P7-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b2f3ecbcd1b9831e76b60aa535c9cc9e 8. You really need to learn to stop generalizing. How is it that if a black person voted for Obama they only voted for him because he is black, but if a white person voted for McCain it is because they made an intelligent decision? Please provide a study showing 50% of blacks who voted for Obama did so solely based on race.9. So because some of your 14 year old friends don't understand politics it means all Democrats don't understand their party? I really hope you are a troll.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

Wow you have just unleashed some of the most biased, overly generalized liberal nonsense I have heard in a long time. You have WAY overstated your case here and exaggerated the "facts" to the extreme. It's people like you who are bending the constitution out of shape. Not us.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

They both have their own flaws. I'm judging this when it comes to issues about equality, civil rights and foreign policy, and I have to tell you, the Democrats have come forward with far better ideas so far.Take abortion. The Republicans want it illegal, thus forcing all pregnant women to have babies they don't want. The Democrats say "hey, when you are pregnant yourself, then you make a decision for yourself".Take gay marriage. The Republicans recognize that it is a right but have it for nothing to take that right away. The Democrats say "hey, why are you so bothered anyway, no one is forcing you to marry a guy! they want to get married not sell drugs and guns FFS!"Take terrorism. The Republicans go and bomb anything and everything that moves regardless of evidence. The Democrats say "hey, why not get friends with their neighbors and their enemies, and altogether tie the noose on them, that way we don't spend billions and no one hates us".Overall the Republicans have many times stepped too far because they think they have the moral authority.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

My initial reaction is NEITHER, but for the sake of the debate I will say Democrats since they haven't sold out to the religious extreme of their party. If the Republicans were more libertarian then maybe, but they mean what they say less than the Dems. Lower taxes?..Only for the rich.Makes no sense to be R if you're not richSmaller government?... Yah right. Two Words: Terry Shaivo. The constitution?... are you kidding me??Family Values?..... David Vitter, Larry Craig, etc..Power breeds hypocrisy.I could go on about the dems too, but since I chose sides for this debate I won't. The puppet show of politics is what it is, but like I said earlier, at least the dems haven't been taken over by religious pandering in a country that has a tradition of separation of church and state.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

1. both are liars, nuff said. I will rebut some of your stereotypes on Republicans mainly because they're not fair... not because i agree with them.2. The rich are the ones with the highest taxes. Republicans, first of all, believe in General tax cuts, so that does include the poor and middle class. Second of all, they would prefer flat tax which give an equal tax rate. So all classes are treated equally through taxes.3. Terry Shaivo is a name. Also, in total they are for smaller government. You can't bring in one event and say "that nullifies any idea of them being small government". They believe in smaller government because they support State's Rights and less spending. Social issues sometimes juxtapose their general ideas, but in general they have stayed true to that. In fact, Terry Shaivo was handled by the state.4. The only reason why SOME of them can be hypocrites is because they set standards in the first place. The mass majority stay true to family values and are deeply saddened when someone can't keep them. Democrats do not set standards, and therefore can never worry about being called hypocrites. "he cheated on his wife and had sex with a 13 year old boy", "w/e, he's a Democrat, they can do w/e they want".5. Democrats gave in to not legalizing gay marriage and they highly support the NAACP, an extremely Christian organization that is more Radically religious than the Right Wing. Republicans just tend to say "God Bless America" more often and are not afraid to mention that they're Christian.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

2. While that is what they say, Republicans in the last 30 years record of taxation shows a general bias toward the rich. All one has to do is look at the tax cuts of both Bushes to see this.3. The federal government did interfere though. Republicans only want smaller government when they aren't in power. Government intervening in social issues is big government, and historically the whole state's rights thing really is a moot point after the civil war. It's a dead horse. The 10th amendment can and should be used successfully to defend many things from the powers of the federal government, but we should concentrate more on the "or to the people." part of it. The federal government has had the precedent of superseceding the states for 150 years now.4. This entire paragraph supposes that democrats have no standard for moral conduct, which is bullshit even from my perspective. The whole family values thing is a con. It is used to con people into voting on social issues rather than on economic issues that will actually affect them. No one can "do whatever they want". Your bias is showing again. 99% of congress is christian. That is a fact. To me that means nothing about their morality, but you seem to think the ones who wear it on their sleeve are more likely to follow it rather than to use it to manipulate voters which is what they actually do. 5. No politician supports something until it's safe. The NAACP is a secular organization with ties to the religious community. No their not afraid to mention they are christian, or to try and pass laws that are based on said religion. Or to try and say this country is or was founded as a christian nation. Or to deny gay people rights based on religions ridiculous claim to marriage, which was originally a property arrangement by the way. Or blah, blah, blah. We live in a secular country and you should be glad of it. Being christian says nothing about your morality, men of power have always used religion as a tool to sway the masses, whether trying to destroy it and take its place or just use it to manipulate, it always works because people have this foolish tendancy to think religion equals moral. It does not.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

2. When the rich have such a higher tax rate, it makes sense that they would get more tax breaks.3. That doesn't change their small government antics. Both parties have big government motives, but Republicans have proven to be for less government than Democrats.4. I don't believe in Moral values either, but to say that because a few Republicans did some shitty things automatically the family values thing is all hypocritical is bullshit. They believe in a moral standard. Do i agree with it? no. but pointing to people like Larry Craig doesn't help our argument. Instead, try to understand the other view and refute it with knowledge.5. I guess this is hard to refute either way. the NAACP to me is the exact opposite of secular for the reasons you actually posted, they support all of these Christian, theocratic laws. But, if they slap the term secular to their movement, it's hard to say that they aren't...
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

Well this is a silly debate. This is really a question that someone should ask themselves introspectively.But I am a Democrat, and feel that right now the Democratic party is more cohesive and unified than the Republican party. I also agree more with the Democratic ideals.Duh.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

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Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Republicans

Yup. Typical liberal response. When they don't have a sound logical argument, they start with the name calling ;)
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: libertarians

I'm not really one for either side but of the two, Democrats seem more logically sound and rational than the Republicans. Oh, well. Libertarians and Independents FTW.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

Republicans believe a magic man in the sky should lead out country, i rest my case.
Debate: Political Party - which has the most sound logic and ideas?
Side: Democrats

The Democrats are inclusive of all and the Party cares about the poor and the middle class.
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: the economy needs more help

that's a toughy. I don't give a fuck about Global Warming, but I do think that if we became energy independent it would make life so much easier.It would also probably help our economy as well.But since the other side says environment specifically, I find fixing the economy more important. Lets face it, it could always use MORE help. What we need is a Progressive Corporate Capitalist system. I know, the name is long but that's the only hybrid system that I could produce in my head that would WORK and continue our acceleration that Capitalism has successfully done for us so far.
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: the environment first

It's nice to know that thats how you feel.Now tell us Why?
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: the environment first

lol. Deafening silence..................................
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: mother earth demands blood sacrifice

lol. Deafening douche.............................................................
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: the economy needs more help

about why the economy needs more help?well, because there are millions of people in poverty and right now corporations are failing left and right...that's probably why i feel that way.
Debate: Present day, is it more important to focus on fixing the economy or the environment?
Side: the environment first

The deaths of weak corporations paves new road for stronger businesses. When the economy recovers, stronger businesses emerge to replace those that fail.Another good thing to mention is that Crocs is failing. Had Bush invested in the environment, those people could already be employed in green jobs. But because we cannot expand as fast as if we had already begun this process, they are out of work.We can improve the economy by reducing global warming, but we cannot reduce global warming by improving the economy.