Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Chiristians believe that God created all things, yes. So, your first point of "this would include evil"; God created man, and God's desire was that man would love Him and what He gave to man. But, love is not real unless we have the ability to not love.Evil is not the opposite to love, the opposite to love is indifference, for man to love God, evil does not need to exist, evil exists because God wished it too, this would therefore make God evil. Why should anyone love that which is evil?Furthermore, what you are stating is that God the "ever benevolent" created man out of selfishness and wanted to put his creation through grueling tasks to prove their devotion to him. He out of infinite love created evil? Surely this is not logical. As an aside how does this affect those that have not heard of God, or who through their own specific indoctrination love many Gods?That isn't what He wanted though; He wanted man to love Him out of choice, He wanted man to love Him amidst all the evil. God created choice for man, and whilst He knew what choices man would make, He wanted man to have that choice to make. So, to summarize this point, God wanted to create a flawed being, he then decided that this flawed being would be put through various tests to prove they love him. He created man so someone would love him. But he didn't give every man the ability or the chance to love him, he decided that through geographical location one man would be fat and wealthy and bask in his glory while another would be poor uneducated and starving. With no knowledge of God how can he love him?Omniscience in no way precludes free will.Of course it does, if God is to know all, before creating, then the consequences of the actions of his creations are his fault, kind of like cause and effect. If I design a robot, and know exactly what it will do, it does something evil, then I'm at fault, I'm the creator and I designed it with this capacity, the difference is that if I didn't know then it would be a mistake, for an omniscient being not knowing doesn't work as a reason. Therefore free will is only an illusion, God COULD take complete control over our lives and control us like we were His puppets, but as a benevolent God,Whether you wish to believe it or not, the omnipotent omniscient creator created you, your actions are controlled, they are the playing out of an intricate tapestry of plots and sub plots in the great big movie that is humanity as thought by the Bible.Wars in history are evidence of that; the Vietnam War, WW1, WW2, the Holocaust etc; He knows they will happen, He allows them to happen. Thus, omniscience does not preclude free will,Wars in history, really, how many were fought in his name, how many people lost their lives such as innocent children, the elderly, the mentally retarded. Wars are an action of the great flaw in man, a great flaw the designer must have designed in if he is all knowing. Thus omniscience precludes free will, it has to by it's very definition.What illocical contradictions? The one where you say that omniscience precludes free will? I just did, above, and I showed that omniscience does in no way preclude free willNo, you did not, you simply propagated the contradiction. But He DIDN'T plan it, He ALLOWED the death to happen whether it be disease, murder or freak accident, He allowed it to happen. Same with abortion, He most certainly did not plan it, He allowed it to happen.You do not need to keep typing random words in caps, I can read your lowercase letters too. It seems that you believe that God allows everything to happen and does not step in, that is outside of Noah's flood, the ten commandments, etc. It seems that he allows man some evil things, but steps in on others, I'd class that as favoritism. It is not OK for man to abort an undeveloped ball of cells but it is OK for him to flood the entire world and kill every living thing except a chosen few including living children and the unborn.Here's the thing; the teachings of the church that I attended years ago were corrupt. My bible was the teaching that I turned to and learned from - so telling me to accept that the church is contradictory is just plain stupid because a) I don't attend church and b) "pure deductive reasoning" - bullshit.So you don't agree with accepted dogma, you've stepped out on your own essentially creating your own personal schism, the Bible is a flawed manual on life written by men that were ahead of their time but way behind ours. Outside of these points, the Bible does teach not to question God, so if you are cherry picking the points that you wish to live by then you are in violation of that book by which you base your faith.The bible teaches us that God knows all and gives choice and knows the choices we make and allows us to make those choicesThis sentence makes no sense.I am not getting "all worked up" because I can explain it just like any other true Christian can explain it. I am generally the laid back type anyhow so it takes a lot to work me up, and believe me, an athiest sitting typing an argument on a computer/laptop has zero chance of working me up.That was more of a generalization on Christians I've debated with than a comment about you, but point taken and comment retracted, I've not seen any reason outside of your use of colorful language to assume that you were getting worked up.