azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is not perfect but at least it allows freedom. Where is the freedom when the government tells you how you will make money and how much you will keep? When the government takes all your money to support people who mainly are moochers....how is that freedom? People enslave themselves...we do not need to government to do it for us. We have the choice of what jobs we want to do, what education we will get and we determine how hard we will work to get what we want.  The government HAS NO RIGHT TO REDISTIRBUTE TAXPAYER MONEY TO THE POOR or anyone else....there should be no free anything for anyone but the handicapped, the mentally disabled. Sure we should take care of people, we should be compassionate in times of need, but that does not mean take from the rich and give to the poor. We always have relied on kind and generous people who dontate to help out. Look at the donations that poured out after Katrina. We are a generous people and we not only take care of our own but send billions all over the world helping them when they need it. Government does not always need to come to the aid of everyone. You look at our economic crisis today...look at the collapse of the housing market. Why did this happen? It never would have collapsed under free market capitalism. The government should have no involvement in homeownership at all. Today the manipulation is happening from the goverment across the board. Regulations. Regulations. Regulations. We should solve our problems not from the top down but from the bottom up. Get the government politicians OUT...and put the power with the business owners. Get out of the car industry. Look at what happened to the US Postal Service when the government took over. Amtrak is so successful aren't they?  And look at our failing public, government controlled schools....that would get a lot better with a voucher system in place. COMPETITION........not so with socialism. Today they are costly disaster areas run by teachers they can't get rid of because of unions...who wont reform. Government is bad for education. But its the only way to control the masses and that is what socialism does. Its what Obama wants to do. His buddy Willie Ayers (communist and American hater, murderer) gave a speech alongside Chavez and said something to the point that education is the force of revolution. Its the perfect place to indocrinate kids. So our schools today support an agenda...that tips its hat towards socialism. They care more about holding a kids hand and telling him grades don't matter when he fails a test than to actually educate. I heard the other day that the majority of high school kids could not even locate Iraq on a map.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"Capitalism is not perfect but at least it allows freedom."Not necessarily. Capitalism dictates business and money flow. Laws are still extreme variables."Where is the freedom when the government tells you how you will make money and how much you will keep?"That is not socialism."People enslave themselves...we do not need to government to do it for us."True, but socialism doesn't depend on the government any more then the system we have in place now does."We have the choice of what jobs we want to do, what education we will get and we determine how hard we will work to get what we want."Nothing you just listed is absent in socialism. "The government HAS NO RIGHT TO REDISTIRBUTE TAXPAYER MONEY TO THE POOR or anyone else"Tax payer money belongs to the government, nothing in our laws say they can't choose to redistribute it."there should be no free anything for anyone but the handicapped, the mentally disabled."You are assuming socialism hands you a get a of jail free whenever you get want card. It doesn't. "We always have relied on kind and generous people who dontate to help out. Look at the donations that poured out after Katrina."Donations are not present in one system and not the other. And in a true capitalist state, people are even less likely to donate money, just so you know."You look at our economic crisis today...look at the collapse of the housing market. Why did this happen? It never would have collapsed under free market capitalism"That's because under a capitalist state housing markets would be separated into local areas and wouldn't be dependent on each other. Such a state would be hard to set up with such a large population."Today the manipulation is happening from the goverment across the board. Regulations. Regulations. Regulations."Because our system sucks." COMPETITION........not so with socialism."Socialism has competition in it too. You are quite ignorant of its structure."But its the only way to control the masses and that is what socialism does. "It seems to me that you have executive communism in mind. Almost nothing you are saying applies to socialism."Its what Obama wants to do"Oh here we go with the right wing bull."They care more about holding a kids hand and telling him grades don't matter when he fails a test than to actually educate."I personally don't think grades matter either, I believe in a completely individualized education, which unfortunately is not really achievable with such a large population. "I heard the other day that the majority of high school kids could not even locate Iraq on a map."Because kids these days are stupid, a lot as a result of things passed by the republicans who ran the mentality that a higher grade scores meant smarter kids, and to achieve that they made the tests easier. Real smart right?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

It is not the republicans that have run the schools the past fifty years. Kids today are stupid because of our schools...and what they offer, and what they expect. I can not believe that you would blame REpublicans for this. The NEA runs the schools...they are in BED WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. They spew left wing liberal crap and indoctrinate impressionable kids. The basically threaten the Democrats. Our way or see what happens......If you attack the NEA go against their worldview...ya better watch out. And the unions have been in bed with the Democrats forever. http://www.nea.org/home/30906.htmThe NEA is a threatening organization. Look what happened in Madison, Wisconsin.http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2011/03/02/teachers_unions_101_a_is_for_agitation Is it about teaching for the NEA.....not on your life.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

I love how you ignored my whole post except the end. Way to go the lengths. "It is not the republicans that have run the schools the past fifty years."No, but all the changes to standardized test for the most part have been republicans doing. " I can not believe that you would blame REpublicans for this. "Believe it, they are responsible for lowering our standards compared to the rest of the world. That is not saying that the NEA is good in any way though. Both of the accused are guilty in this." And the unions have been in bed with the Democrats forever."I agree that Unions have become just as bad as what they were originally meant to fight."Is it about teaching for the NEA.....not on your life"Makes the NEA look like ass wholes, but doesn't affect my statement one bit.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

"What does changing the tests have to do with the overall education of our children who are attending our failing public schools."Curriculum is based on what is on the standardized tests all the way into college. "This is what I found about what you accuse Republicans of doing. Could you site your source I would be interested in reading it."Tell you what, when you address my actual arguments concerning THIS debate, I will be happy to begin source listing. However if you want to debate on school politics I suggest you create another debate. I can't say I feel the need to respond to you with any level of dedication when you ignore every other piece of my comment. I give you the courtesy of contesting your entire argument when I respond. Also, I believe I have already said I disagree with modern Unions as well, the post you just made me read accomplishes nothing. My point was that the standardized tests they are replacing as of now were the work of republicans. Don't twist that to me saying the democrats are doing anything right. Again, I love how every other comment has gone unanswered. You love to go the extra mile to establish your base.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"Moochers wouldn't exist without the rich and their corporations taking what they don't need. Our system allows the extremely rich to exist, and therefore is allows the extremely poor to exist."And Socialism would fix this how? In case you haven't noticed, socialism is for the people not the socialist. If you are implying that socialism can provide an even distribution of wealth you are being naive. Even in socialist societies there are those who are better off than others and usually it is the socialists themselves. "People enslave themselves..."I can't really ague with this because it is true. We enslave ourselves through our own selfishness and vanity."We have the choice of what jobs we want to do...No we don't... not in all cases. If you knew what giant corporations have done to some small communities, you'd see that you are incorrect."Yes, we do. More so than many socialist societies. As with any society people will follow the industry. Take the Pacific NW. For many years timber and fishing were the primary employers of the region. That has changed as Boeing and computer software took over the main employers. We make a choice. "The government HAS NO RIGHT...Well, since the poor are poor because of the rich, I see it's only fair that the wealth of the rich be redistributed to the poor."How is that fair? The poor are not poor because of the rich. It's the rich who create jobs. I have never been given a job by a poor person. Have you? Everyone has a right to the fruits of their labor, no one else. The poor have no right to my earnings. Now, I am with on the charity part but this "wealth threshold" idea is ridiculous. So what if they can never spend their all their money. The majority of their worth is wrapped up in assets anyhow. By the by, the US is the most charitable nation. We give more both privately and through the form of federal aid than any other nation.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

You ignorant bastard. The reason we are in this shit hole is the government putting its overly sized nose into the private sector. Go back and take economics.And please explain these Risks taken by capitalist. As for your Father, embrace the horror and stop your whining. That is my advice to you.And what type of capitalism are you talking about? State Capitalism, Crony Capitalism, Mercantilism, Intervention Capitalism, or are you blaming free market capitalism? FREE?Oh and while your at it. Explain to me what you think capitalism even means?What kind of world do you want to live in?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

I'm ignorant? Really now? That's odd, considering you obviously don't realize that the government has never had any amount of power over corporatism to the point of effecting it even a little bit. Go back and look at history.In fact, you have everything reversed. We're in this economic shit hole because of fat corporate cats bribing politicians the last 11 years into doing absolutely nothing about them taking more and more and more from the market.Risks taken by corporations: stock market gambling, hording, staying afloat only on the labor of the Middle Class, exploitation of loopholes, bribing Congress, etc...Right, OH! I HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW MY FAMILY IS SUFFERING UNJUSTLY UNDER A HORRIBLY FLAWED SYSTEM. That is so realistic and such a good argument. Thank you, dickstain. For the record, I can complain if I want, because I choose to fight against what's unjust as opposed to just sitting around getting raped by economic criminals.I'm talking about corporatism, which I will refer to it as from now on when talking to you and certain others. I heard a very good terminology point from a friend of mine, pointing out that we are not a capitalist country in the first place. Thusly, I'm actually complaining about our sham of a capitalist system: corporatism. I have been being told we had capitalism for so many years that the definition in my mind was scewed into believing that our shitty system was in fact capitalism. I'm glad that that notion is incorrect.What world do I want to live in? A just world, of course. Where nobody is too wealthy and nobody is too poor, where everyone gets along and there is world peace. But I can't imagine that world ever being achievable if you're going to sit here asking as stupid a question as 'what kind of a world do you want to live in?'
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

History speaks for itself, communism cannot work, it's just simple human nature. Look at the soviet union, they were a communist regime, and what happened to their economy, it destroyed itself. Humans work to benefit themselves, in capitalism they benefit from working, in communism, they don't, they are expected to work for the sake of working, as such in communism people do not work hard, because they know they can float by without lifting a finger, and everyone else wants a free ride, so they stop working as well. Because no one's working, no one's making anything, so no one gets anything, because there is nothing to get. It's been known since the dawn of civilization that no one works for the sake of working.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

capitalism has the plus value and is given to the boss for your labor the working class doesn't get as much as the first class even though they put more time and effort. In socialism you work for yourself and the community. Socialism is less selfish and greedy and as a matter of fact, socialist countries have lower unemployment rates than capitalist countries.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism legalized theft

"Legalized theft" doesn't show it in a good light like "rewards"...Still, it wouldn't be theft, if everything produced is publicly owned, who are you stealing from? You would technically be stealing from yourself as well as everyone else. There should be enough 'x' to supply the entire nation anyway, so nobody loses anything.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

What you make you should keep. My business might make more than yours does...why divide it equally? Where is the freedom in that? We should look to other nations that have crumbled under this system. Capitalism drives economies...maybe thats why ours is so bad today.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

" My business might make more than yours does...why divide it equally? Where is the freedom in that?"Socialism doesn't divide it up at all. It simply equates taxes. You will still make more money then your competitor. "We should look to other nations that have crumbled under this system. "No, they haven't.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Yes and the rich end up paying more...how fair is that?Here read this....http://www.cato.org/special/berlinwall/palmer1990.html
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"Yes and the rich end up paying more."So? They still will earn more and still have better means. They will still be, for all intents and purposes, richer. Capitalism on the other hand would allow the poor to either die or be taken over complete control. Where are you morals in that scenario? "how fair is that"Well the rich people can't complain because they still remain richer and the poor don't complain.I would read whatever right wing article you posted but you never give me the courtesy of addressing my whole argument so I will ignore it.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

The morals and solution lies with the people who have hearts and donate to the poor WILLINGLY. You can't come along and say...hey you have more...hand it over. If that person wants to give...then so be it. If they don't then they should not be forced. To take away unfairly is stealing. I tithe to my church...I give money to support two children ever month. I make blankets for those poor in nursing homes and for crisis pregnancy centers. And when I see someone standing outside asking for money....I give. I am fortunate to be able to have a girl come clean my house every week...and I help her out with extras. I bought four bus tickets last year for part of her family to travel to Mexico City to see her mother and family. That was not cheap. I am not saying this to pump myself up...and look great because I could always do more. I am blessed to have a lot. The point is I give WILLINGLY. And I know a lot of people who do this same. A man in my bible study last week bought a car for a woman who had none, who is poor and had no way to get to work or church. There are wonderful people out there who come through in times of trouble. Look at the outpouring of love after Katrina. At our church people took some in that came from that area. We set them up in apartments with clothes and everything they need. People helped from all over the country. Whether the rich complain or not is not the issue. The issue is...is taking more from the rich because they make more...right. Is it stealing? What did I not address? I would be happy to do so. Right wing article? How so?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

All taxes are "theft", how such "theft" is done is irrelevant to whether or not it is what it is. Technically, taxes are not theft because the government doesn't define them that way for obvious reasons.The real question, without all the fanciful imagery of "theft" is : Are voluntary donations good enough when compared to progressive taxation? I would reckon math and game theory supports progressive taxation as superior to voluntary donations. It would be difficult to use empirical data, since it would be difficult to eliminate the presence of tax in experiments. The government would have to agree to some type of secret double blind study involving tax breaks to representative samples of society. If you would like, I can show you the math on why progressive taxation is preferred over a flat tax, in terms of wealth distribution(a major factor in general quality of life) and the flow of money. Also, I would argue there is nothing inherently socialistic about progressive taxation, especially since it may even help the rich if they own a business which sells domestically. (it creates a more lucrative market, capable of buying a wider range of products,with more niches(assuming production costs might be prohibitively high for some niches and such, if wealth distribution was too imbalanced))Capitalism and socialism both operate off of similar principles, (well, depending on if we have the same concepts in mind) the difference is who has the power and control. The difference is if capital is privately owned, or commonly owned. Rather than the rich owning things exclusively, the poor and middle class would also share in ownership. This can be done in a free market, if only co-ops could manage to compete. However, like in politics, the more owners/voters, the slower things get done. A dictator has his military advantages.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

"The morals and solution lies with the people who have hearts and donate to the poor WILLINGLY"Willing donation is not numerous enough. "You can't come along and say...hey you have more...hand it over. "In a capitalist state no you can't but in an idealist socialist state people would gladly accept. That is the reason it is an impossible system, such thought isn't dominant."The issue is...is taking more from the rich because they make more...right. Is it stealing?"Considering their means surpass their utility, yes it could be right from a point of view. And again, it wouldn't be stealing because the product is the product of community. "What did I not address? I would be happy to do so"Let's see, your posts on school politics sprout from a single sentence on one of my posts however you left the rest of the arguments presented unanswered. Other then that, there are a couple of posts you have failed to respond to. And I assume that the article I will not read is more right wing nonsense as your other articles are.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Cuba is easily one of the best examples right now, though under a communist regime. With an effective planned economy, generally great universal health care and an impressive literacy rate, it's doing quite well for itself. Hell, they even have the best carbon output ratio.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

They even say they need change as stated in this article.http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/09/ castro-admits-cubas-communism-doesnt-work/ The fact is the people in Cuba are NOT FREE. How good could that be, you tell me? Would you rather have a roof over your head even if it is a shack, or be free? They don't have great anything....not when they are not free. Not when they try to flee Cuba in small boats...most that don't even make it to our shores. " In Castro's Cuba, it is a crime to meet to discuss the economy, to write letters to the government, to report on political developments, to speak to international reporters, to advocate human rights, to visit friends or relatives outside your local area of residence without government permission. Cubans are arrested without warrants and prosecuted for "failing to denounce" fellow citizens, for general "dangerousness," and, should some crime not be covered by these criminal code provisions, for "other acts against state security."http://www.orwelltoday.com/cubacastro.shtml Who gives a rats arse about carbon output when people live under conditions such as these.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

I wouldn't trust most sources on Cuba, the cold war still has its ghost hanging around. Mis-information is common. You should read up on the cia, they are a intriguing organization with a interesting history, especially when it comes to "socialist or communist agents".
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

You are probably right...it probably is a lot worse in Cuba than we think. The people however are not free, and that says it all. Why do people try to escape if the country is so wonderful?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Why do Americans immigrant to other countries if America is the best country in the world?Why do many immigrants to America go back home after a few years? http://www.newsweek.com/2009/03/14/homecoming.html I believe your making a fallacy,A thus BBThus Ais a fallacy, call affirming the consequent:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Also "free" can mean a lot of different things.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Casper do you think Cubans are free? Do you think that the people feel really free...when they can't even oppose their own government?
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

Fox News? HAHA! I will never listen to anything Fox news says...................................
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

Would you like to live there. The average wage is 16 dollars a month. Not that much freedom.Was voted ranking 114 of 226 world countries. The best example is rated 114 that's pretty bad.
Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Capitalism

You don't get it do you, we're not talking about theft like stealing someone's wallet, we're talking about theft of skill, of labor, of the sweat on a man's brow. Also, by it's vary nature socialism doesn't reward anyone, that's the whole point of socialism, you get everything for nothing. Socialism is the belief that there's an infinite anoumt of sandwiches and homes just coming into existance when someone's hungry. Both socialism and classical liberalism have the same problem, they don't know why we have jobs in the first place.