azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Matthew 6:14-15"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."Cursing Atrag is still a transgression of your own. I can also quote the bible, atheist or not.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

If he repent, forgive him does not necessitate Do not forgive him if he doesn't repent, and in the case of the scripture that I quoted, it seems to insinuate that your fellow man ought to be forgiven in any circumstance.However, seeing that this requires a basic grasp on formal logic to understand, you probably had no fucking clue what I just typed and will probably continue responding in the form of platitudes and (off topic) one liners.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Yes it does. Forgiveness is by repentance only. You are not even a Christian so who are you to say what the Bible says? However, seeing that this requires a basic grasp on formal logic to understand, you probably had no fucking clue what I just typed and will probably continue responding in the form of platitudes and (off topic) one liners. Horseshit. I read the whole damn thing.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Yes it does. Forgiveness is by repentance only.See? All you seem to be capable of doing is reiterating your central point, and throwing in a few one liners that you may not even understand yourself.You are not even a Christian so who are you to say what the Bible says?If the bible were unreadable nonsense to any non Christian, it wouldn't be useful at all, now would it? I used to be a Christian, if that matters at all. The scripture is translated in English, in fact, since I can also read and write in Latin, I actually have a better capacity to understand scripture than you do.Horseshit. I read the whole damn thing.You read over the Libertarian platform website, and called yourself a Libertarian, yet subsequently failed to recite even the basic tenants of the Libertarian party. For you, reading and comprehending are clearly worlds apart.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I explained how the Bible proves that forgiveness is by repentance only, but you ignored the facts. Luke 17:3 proves that you have to repent to be forgiven. I do not care what you say, I refuse to forgive Atrag until he repents of what he did.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Luke 17:3 does not say "only" in an implicit or explicit manner. This debate between us will only persist because you fail to understand the difference in validity between a statement and it's inverse, I will try to explain one more time, in the easiest manner possible, how your claim is not consistent with your reasoning.What you are saying is that because the underlined quote is necessarily true, that the bold statement below must also be true:Given:p = your neighbor repentsq = you have to forgive your neighborBear in mind that "~" = not (for example: "~p" means the same thing as "not p")If p (your neighbor repents), then q (you have to forgive your neighbor)If ~p (your neighbor doesn't repent), then ~q (you don't have to forgive your neighbor)The bold statement is the inverse of the underlined statement. By definition, even if a statement is true, it's respective inverse is not necessarily true, for example:"If it is typing this comment, then it is a human." (a fact) does not necessitate "If it is not typing this statement, then it is not a human.", since we know for a fact that you are a human that is not typing a response. We can infer that "If it is not typing this statement, then it is not a human.", an inverse of a true statement, is false. Therefore, the inverse of a statement is not the logical equivalent of the statement itself, and the statement itself is not the logical equivalent of its inverse.This why the dictation of Luke 17:3 "if a happens, do b" does not mean "if a doesn't happen, don't do b". There, I've spent well over half an hour to make this as clear as possible. If you respond with a few one liners, or a restatement that you "deny" my claim, I'm probably not going to be expend this much patience with you ever again.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

EDIT: changed only to "only" .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I have more: Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

That has nothing to do with forgiving, it has to do with the circumstances regarding how to handle one who has not acknowledged their transgressions.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Luke 17:3 still proves the fact that forgiveness is only by repentance. You know nothing about the Bible, so leave this to people that do.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Luke 17:3 still proves the fact that forgiveness is only by repentance.It does not say "only". You clearly did not understand my explanation, and most likely didn't read it either.You know nothing about the Bible, so leave this to people that do.I know plenty about it. I already covered this as well.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

That verse says to forgive people if they repent. I will forgive Atrass if he repents, and not one moment before. You will never change my mind, so stop trying. I do not have to forgive Atrass.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

That verse says to forgive people if they repent.I'm not arguing against that, what I'm saying is that this does not mean "don't forgive people if they do not repent", and this does not mean "only" if they repent.I will forgive Atrass if he repents, and not one moment before. You will never change my mind, so stop trying. I do not have to forgive Atrass.Oh well, I couldn't "change your mind", even when I presented a syllogism. Serious question:Were you dropped on your head when you were a kid?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

That verse says to forgive people if they repent. It does not say to forgive them before they repent. You need to argue facts.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

That verse says to forgive people if they repent.I'm not denying this.It does not say to forgive them before they repent. I never claimed that Luke 17:3 says such a thing, just that it doesn't say to not do that.You need to argue facts.Oh, like "Fuck you." is arguing facts. I am arguing facts, you just won't admit that you're wrong.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Just read the fucking explanation until you get it .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Go fuck yourself. If you get to abuse me, I get to return the favor. Fuck you.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Ya dingus .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Fuck you. If you call me names, I will return the fucking favor.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

You dang turkey .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Okay jackass. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I ain't no blue state cowboy. See what you are doing? You are releasing all of your bottled up rage against Atrag over me with a barrage of "Fuck you"s in response to a comparatively tame comment, you ought to forgive him.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

No. I refuse to forgive him. I do not have to forgive him. I will forgive him when he repents. The more you try to force me, the less I will listen. You will never change my mind, so stop trying.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I'm not trying to force you (not like I can from behind a computer screen), but it seems like it would benefit you to let go of the grudge. Always live in the present moment, the past only exists as a memory (memories being thought), and is therefore only abstract.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I do not have to forgive someone that is not sorry. I refuse to forgive Atrass and there is nothing you can do to change my mind.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Right, because you're extremely dense .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I still refuse to forgive Atrass. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Then you're making a dumb mistake, not like that's anything new.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

No I am not. I do not have to forgive someone who is not sorry.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Fine, have fun wallowing in your own spite, it's not hurting anyone but you.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Hating someone without forgiveness isn't very christian. Fact.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Go fuck yourself, you lying piece of statist shit. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Truth hurts. You are unchristian in your hateful ways. fact.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Go fuck yourself. I do not give a flying fuck what you think. You are a lying piece of statist fucking trash. I do not care if Andy bans me for saying this, so fuck you.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

ah good now we are seeing your satanist side. Fits with the fact you are very unchristian (hateful unforgiveness is unchristian. fact) Andy won't ban you I suppose. You could leave though.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

My give a fuck is nonexistent. Try again tomorrow, you wanker bitch.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Try again tomorrowI accept. I will continue communication with you. Thank you for allowing me to. Am I forgiven?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

No. I do not forgive you because you are not sorry. You are not sorry for all you have done.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Who are you to judge whether I did something wrong. Only god can judge fact. It is not for you to choose who to forgive and who not to forgive.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I have the right to judge lies. Andy is too much of a pussy to call you out on your abuse, but I am not.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Yeah well someone that posts child porn online and says theres nothing wrong with it is the sort of person thats good at recognising "abuse" I suppose.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I did not post porn. I have never seen child porn at any time. I find it ironic that a proabort like you admits that the fetus is a child.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I am not proabortion. I think abortion is immoral.I did not post pornYou posted nude images of children. Fact.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Prochoice is proabortion. Fact. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I believe that abortion is immoral but women have the right to choose immorality. I know you can't understand that but nevermind.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

So you believe it is a child, but you think people should be allowed to kill it?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

A woman should be allowed to kill a child that has a parasitic attachment to her uterine wall and that has yet to take its first breath yes. I am a feminist.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Jesus Christ! You two need to get a room.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

:/ .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Wrong. The woman should only be allowed to kill the baby in an ectopic pregnancy.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Erm......................... didnt you think life started at implantation?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Irrelevant. The one should only be allowed to kill the baby in an ectopic pregnancy.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

You don't believe it is a baby if it isn't implanted in the uterine wall. You complete and utter kretin. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I believe that the unborn baby has the right to live unless the pregnancy is ectopic, you wanker. The beginning of life is a completely different issue, you whiney little fuck.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

You have no idea what an ectopic pregnancy is but yet you argue so strongly about it. R.E.T.A.R.D
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Yes I do, you fucking cunt. An ectopic pregnancy is when the pregnancy is outside of the uterus.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

So then when are you calling it a 'baby'? Its life hasn't begun yet, according to you. Fact.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

When life begins is a different debate than this. This debate is about whether abortion is murder or not. Go fuck yourself.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

No it isn't its about "The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.". God you really are completely in a different world to us aren't you.Anyway, I'm sick of answering someone that advocates child porn of unborn children. It makes me vomit a little. Talk to you tomorrow!!
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Go fuck yourself. Fuck you for saying that I deserve to be raped. Fuck you.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Go fuck yourself. Fuck you for saying that I deserve to be raped. Fuck you.You know, I actually looked through Atrag's arguments on his profile, several pages worth, and didn't find a single one that suggested you deserved anything of the sort. Are you just being inflammatory, are you misremembering events, or did I just not go back far enough?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I'm back. Atrag said: "So the two times you were raped you don't feel you deserved it just a tiny bit? I can certainly understand someone giving you a good hard slap when you start with your bullshit rude and irrelevant comments... Maybe raping you is a bit far but I can certainly sympathise with some kind of assault."
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

She's being inflammatory. I already discussed this with her here, Atrag made the proper clarifications, see for yourself
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

You did not go back far enough. Atrag asked me if I did not think I deserve to be raped. I will go find the comment for you.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Actually this debate is about the down-vote feature remember! :)
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I was refering to the debate between Atrag and me. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Andy is too much of a pussy toYou're asking for it, Dana. You're really asking for it.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Andy refused to do anything about Atrag calling me a rapist or saying that I deserve to be raped. I will never forgive either one of them for that.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

You are an advocate for rape of certain individuals that you disapprove of, and it has already been established that Atrag did not say that you deserve to be raped. You're going to have to provide proof that he called you a "rapist", since that has not been debunked yet.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I will never forgive either one of them for that.Is that why you are trying to destroy his site?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Ok well either way I agree to talk again with you tomorrow. I dont mind :)
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Ha! You'll never forgive him? That means that, even if he did apologize, you wouldn't forgive him! What a hypocrite you are!
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I will forgive him if he repents. I do not believe in unconditional forgiveness.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Then you were incorrect (or lying) when you said that you'll never forgive him?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I will forgive him when he repents, and not one fucking moment before that.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

You just said that you'll never forgive him, so you were either incorrect or lying at the time.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I will forgive him if he repents. That is a fact. .
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Okay then, so why did you say that you'll never forgive him?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Because he will never repent. He is most likely not going to repent.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Which one is it ? Never, or most likely?
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

This is the last time I will repeat myself: I will forgive Atrag if he is sorry for what he has done.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

I'm not asking you to repeat that, I already understand this. What I'm saying is that it is hypocritical to claim to that you will forgive Atrag when he apologizes, but at the same time refuse to forgive him under any circumstances (from when you said "never").
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

It seems like you're sticking to this. Good, that's all that you ever do here anyways.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

and I will never forgive you for posting nude indecent images of babies.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

For sure it is leading to people not giving their rebuttal opinion. If someone has something to say that goes against the given opinion they can just downvote it without saying what they didn't like.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

Neither the down-votes or the up-vote features are productive to this site as they currently are. They are used mostly as a tool to show popularity on a subject and a user, not on the contents of an argument. One should be required to post the reason why they voted so that everybody can see whether stupidity, popularity or intelligence was the bases of their vote. As to how the current system works, it works like political elections. People merely vote for the one that is ahead in the polls and for those whose opinions resemble their on, not on the content of the argument. Until a change is made I expect down-votes and for the popular to be up-voted. When in Rome.....
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

One has to wonder why a post gets down voted.Is it because the argument was bad?Is it because the down voter didn't like the person?Is it because the down voter lacked a viable retort?Or was it a simple misclick?If a good argument receives several downvotes or if a bad argument receives a lot of upvotes, then it could leave readers confused and/or ignorant of the truth.Since most upvotes/ downvotes lack explanations for why they are given and because upvotes/downvotes do not show the true or definite value of the post/argument, the system is flawed and useless.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: true

It is neither helpful nor hurtful.It's a popularity button, that only in extreme cases hides really unpopular thoughts. Other than that I rarely even see it used.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

There should be some kind of mechanic built-in to this debate site for people who use weak arguments, fallacies, or ignore their opponent's points and attack them personally; those are all cheap ways to debate, and really just amount to arguing. To not have a system is to implicitly give equal respect to weak, sophomoric arguments as what is given to truth-based, logical arguments. Not all arguments are equal, some of them suck.While I agree that there should be some kind of system that rewards solid, logical arguments and punishes weak arguments (or at least exposes them as weak), the power to punish/reward debaters should be in the hands of the debate creator, or a neutral moderator who works for the site.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Who cares? I consider down votes a badge of honor! Wheeeeeeee!
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Or Sitara could just be banned.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

Ha! You see what she did there? Lol.
Debate: The downvoting feature is not helpful at this site.
Side: false

I disagree, it helps point out the assholes and cunts.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I firmly believe God is a belief. And there has to be faith. I believe that the rightness and the conscience to do the honest way is God! You just define God the way you like. But, a super power does exist. It might even be the Aura around you!
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: yes

I know there is a God, but religions and books are created by man to create who he wants God to be. I don't believe in any specific religion, but I support people who rely and need these religions in their lives.
Debate: The God Debate: Does he exist?
Side: No

morality changes from nation to nation, culture to culture and even individual to individual based on our collective and individual experiences and does not support the idea of a universal god or universal morality.stick 100 priests in 100 closets and have them answer 100 moral dilemas (Just war, abortion to save the mother, etc.) and you will get many different answers (and a couple of molested alter boys).