Debate: Dreamers were brought here as children. Should they be deported to - who knows where?
Side: Git 'em OUTTA here

"Iceland is the perfect example."Precisely what makes you say that capitalist Iceland is socialist?""Work hardest". Hardest for what?"]The goal of their labor is insignificant to a point about how some people work harder than others, or are more useful because of qualifications and thus need to be paid more as motivation. This is aside from the fact that an hour of their labor is of greater value than the average."Personal gain is the foundational precedent of this idea of "working hard" in capitalism. Common gain is more "useful" for more people."Personal gain is part of it, because people are motivated best in this manner. Moreover, if I am creating value then I should benefit from doing so. The creation of value serves common gain, every item and service you benefit from only exists because people created value. "Majority rules, ergo, the de facto most beneficial society is the one that benefits the most people, the most. Capitalism doesn't achieve this. More than half of the world's wealth is concentrated in the hands of fewer than a hundred individuals."How do you propose to substantiate your claim that capitalism is of less benefit to people than communism or socialism? Further, inequality has gotten so bad because the rich have undue influence on the government, not because of capitalism."Modern territorial expansion for control over more resources is at its heart a profit driven enterprise: money grants power."So communist/socialist societies have no desire or use for territory or resources? Why is that? It's strange that the U.S.S.R. invaded Poland in 1939 then, for according to you it had nothing to gain."...the fall of Saddam..."None of these events are related to capitalism. If the U.S.S.R had won the cold war and became the world hegemon you would also see it flexing it's muscles worldwide and consolidating it's power."...then it is safe to conlcude that the capitalist system intrinsically drives inequality."Obviously capitalism will always result in inequality, however as previously explained the magnitude of the inequality is caused by the fact that the rich can buy our politicians. "When curency is created on a loan..."I assume you are talking about quantitative easing and fractional reserve banking, neither of which are intrinsic to capitalism. In the U.S., for example, the Federal reserve act was only passed in 1913. "It's already a rigged system"Indeed the system is "rigged" in several ways, but none of these ways are inherent to capitalism itself, they are simply part of our current, deeply flawed, iteration of capitalism."My desire isn't to take from everyone, it is only to engineer a system that rather than fleece the common person, takes back control and gives it to the masses who are being exploited at present."As aforementioned, this is completely achievable within the frame of capitalism. In addition, if you look at socialist and communist countries you will find that the masses have far less power and control than in capitalistic countries. Read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, for example. Inequality may be inherent to capitalism but oppression appears inherent to socialism and communism.