Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

Ok now before i go on to dispute you i want to say that, because you started thinking thoroughly about what you are saying and your argument was pretty straightforward and it seems as though you are just trying to clarify, and only bringing up new points when you need to. So I'm not going to try to provoke you, since you didnt do that to me. Ok here we go.I think we both know that isn't what I said, I have no idea how informed you are.Well it certainly seemed as though that's what you were saying. But maybe you were just trying to see if i am in the percentage who does believe that crap.How exactly does it do that?Because you assumed that i believed all of those conspiracy theories just because many other Americans do. But as you recently clarified, even though you said: "to see how misinformed YOU are" you are just pointing out that most Americans do.Do you want me to drag up the statisitcs showing how many americans beleived Saddam was working with Al Queda, or was involved in 9/11, or that WMD were actually found, they really are quite startling.That wont be necessary. I am not one of the people who believes that.Ok, so who do you think is responsible for the greater number of deaths of innocent civilains in Afghanistan (I'm not even going to mention Iraq, that's just too easy), the US or Taliban?The Taliban are responsible for many civilian deaths, although not as many as we claim, but for 1 reason only: As you mentioned later in your argument, the Taliban have the support of many of the people: "The Taliban are a major political force in Afghanistan precisely because they have the support of a large portion of the population." The Taliban kill less because they have less to kill. Many are on their side, and they are not going to kill their own supporters, so they kill the few who oppose them.I'm willing to take seriously everyhting you say, that's why I asked for further clarification. You seem to think that you are proving something by labelling the Taliban terrorists, if what you are trying to say is they are terrorists, I agree, but the real question is, who are the bigger terrorists?, the US or the Taliban.This is true, and America highly exaggerates how good they are, going around protecting the oppressed around the globe, and i am also aware that most of the time they do more harm than good. We also picture the Taliban as much worse than they are. But i am trying to say that you say the Army is not as bad as you say they are. At least some soldiers are trying to help, even though they might not be helping so much. In the past they have helped people, as in WWII, but more recently they're kinda crapping things up, but some soldiers really think they're helping, but some are forced to come, as in Vietnam.The Taliban are a brutal fighting force with a corrupt religious ideology that restricts all human freedoms and subjects women to slavery. Their strict interpretation of the Sharia has no place in the modern world, but there are number of things that seem to allude you:(1.) The Taliban are a major politcal force in Afghanistan precisely because they have the support of a large portion of the population.(2.) If a foreign force invades your country you have every right to resist them, especially when they are responssible for killing tens of thousands of your country men(3.) US motives in Afghanistan, just like in any other country they get involved in, have nothing to do with democracy promotion, or helping the indigenous population, they are purely imperialistic and strategic in nature, anyone who really gives it any serious thought, or does some serious investigation, knows this, the days when the US could pull the wool over the eyes of people in the West are well and truly over, let alone in the poor world where so many have suffered due to their inperialistic policies.I understand all of this, i was exaggerating when i said you portrayed them as angels. (1) Just because they have support of a large part of the nation, doesn't mean they have the right to oppress the other. But this is none of our business and I'm not saying it makes it right for us to invade. (2) I know this. I am saying they shouldn't kill the people in their own country who are against them. (3) I know America has no right to get in their business. As i have said before, the government is crap and highly corrupted. They lie and deceive, but the the Taliban aren't all right either (in killing their own people)There is no such thing, however I do believe you view the taliban as the bad guys.I was being sarcastic. And yes, i do believe the Taliban are bad guy, but i never said they are the worse guys.Well, from what you have said I can easily infer that you (at the very least) view the US army as the lesser of two evils relative to the Taliban.Well from the view of the oppressed they are good. And im not saying the Taliban are worse, all they are doing is trying to protect their country. They are not doing the wrong thing, they are doing it the wrong way. Like what was in the wikipedia article, they use terrorism to get their way.I don't lie, I don't pretend to have all the facts, but I have enough to back up what I'm saying.I didnt mean you lie, i meant that the us army is not all a lie like you saidGood intentions don't mean as much as you think in a corrupt system ruled over by people concerned with securing greater dominance in the world at any cost.It doesn't accomplish much, but it means alot. I know accomplishing means more than intention, I already ponted out that the government is corrupt and just using them, so I am just pointing out that every soldier is not evil.