azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Not really. He's not a cop; he's a wannabe. He should have stayed in his car and waited to see what Martin was going to do.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

In the other debate about whether he was guilty, Liam attacked me because I said the dispatcher told him to stay put. He said that the dispatcher only told him he didn't need to follow him, so I was wrong for saying it that way, hehe.Edit: I meant to support, darn it.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Liam's just trying to be politically correct. The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that" after Zimmerman said he was following him, but common sense would tell you that the dispatcher wanted him to back off. I just read the transcripts of his 911 call, which I had only listened too before. Martin started running about halfway through the call and Zimmerman started chasing him. That's when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow. To me, it sounds like Martin was spooked. He probably knew he wasn't supposed to be in that neighborhood without permission, but he likely planned on using it as a shortcut home. Somehow, Zimmerman caught up to the kid and confronted him and then Martin asked "why are you following me", and after that's when the story becomes two sided. Either way, Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Was that a closed neighborhood? Was it only supposed to be used by the residents of that neighborhood, or was it open to the public?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

It was gated.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Ok, but I think Trayvon was headed somewhere inside the gated community and it was ok for him to be there.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

It's possible. I think he was using it as a shortcut to get home. Keep in mind that it was raining at the time.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

He was heading back to his dad's girlfriends house who lived in the community.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Really? Well that doesn't help the Zimmerman supporters lol.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

You're right! His dad was visiting his fiancee who lived in the neighborhood at the time of the shooting. So Trayvon wasn't really trespassing; he had a reason to be there.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

And since he didn't actually lived there, Zimmerman had reason to question him ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

He assumed he was a criminal right off the bat. He could have questioned him before he called the police.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

2 things:1. Trayvon was a criminal.2. He didn't attack Trayvon. He made and assumption, yes, but he didn't act on it he merely tried to verify his assumption by interrogating Trayvon.But I guess we'll find out when the jury decides ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

A criminal? He was suspended from school for having traces of marijuana in his bag. Zimmerman has a larger criminal history than Martin. His ex put a restraining order against him for domestic violence and he had to attend a violent offenders course after he shoved a police officer. He DID act on his assumption... he called the police, but he took it even further when he confronted Martin despite the fact that the police dispatcher wanted him to back off.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Some people just like the drama ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

George Zimmerman absolutely did do something wrong. He defied the advice of the 911 dispatcher and decided to play tough cop with someone in his neighborhood. Now that someone is dead and "Officer Zimmerman" regrets all the bad mistakes he made that day.Did Zimmerman do something wrong? Yes . . . and it's something he will never be able to escape wherever he goes, free man or not.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

He could have stayed in his vehicle and avoided this whole thing easily. He could drive away or anything. Instead he pursued the boy. He killed him. He obviously wanted to kill him. It was a point blank shot to the chest. He could have shot him anywhere else.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

He provoked trayvon, trayvon fought back, although george zimmerman had to defend himself but he started it and should've been brought up on charges
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Trayvon had the option to run away. But that's not what he did, is it ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

That possibly isn't true. Zimmerman clearly wanted to make sure that Trayvon was around when the cops showed up. "These guys keep getting away", so maybe Trayvon needed to subdue Zimmerman to get away. In the course of stopping Zimmerman from attacking him he was shot.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Trayvon already proved that he was stronger and wiry. He could have gotten away from fat Zimmerman.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57592714/mexico-takes-title-of-most-obese-from-america/ ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Stronger and wiry only helps when fighting someone. Maybe Trayvon should have beat up Zimmerman until Zimmerman was too tired to pursue him any more. Oh wait, he started doing that.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Trayvon was way faster than Zimmerman. He could have gotten away when Zimmerman hit the ground. He would have gotten at least a few seconds head start. Zimmerman is not in shape by any stretch of the imagination and Trayvon was in the prime of his life ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Why should he run away? He has a right to self defense. He can choose to defend himself if he wants to. Sound familiar?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Self defense includes running away and running away as a form of defense precludes shooting/killing someone. Zimmerman did NOT have the option to run away. ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

When Zimmerman was in his car calling the cops, he was not being beaten up by Trayvon. How did he end up underneath Trayvon getting beaten? Because he did something wrong.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Why is it wrong to ask someone if they happen to live in the neighborhood? ;)Why should you get beat up for asking?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

We know that Zimmerman was hostile towards Martin before approaching him, listen to his 911 call. I think it is safe to assume that he didn't just ask if Trayvon lived there.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Are you saying Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first with the intent to ask questions later? That doesn't appear to be his Mode of Operand. Zimmerman is a law abiding citizen who detests criminals. He would have verified his assumptions first. Unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that Zimmerman suspected Trayvon of being a criminal does not mean he immediately attacked him. Besides, it turned out that Trayvon was a criminal after all (granted, a two bit criminal; but a criminal just the same. Zimmerman's gut instinct was spot on.). ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

My evidence is that he was being beaten by a boy armed with snacks. Zimmerman ignored what an officer of the law told him to do, so we don't know for sure that he is law abiding.I guess since Trayvon committed crimes in the past he is worthy of execution.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Zimmerman was NOT told to stay put. He was told that he did not have to deal with it. When Trayvon was pounding Zimmerman's head on the ground, he saw and went for Zimmerman's gun. Zimmerman got to the gun first ;)It's not that Trayvon was worthy of getting shot, it's more like..., no great loss ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

There is no evidence that Trayvon went for his gun.It's not that Trayvon was worthy of getting shot, it's more like..., no great loss ;)Losing a neighborhood watchman who thinks he is a cop is no great loss either.Zimmerman was NOT told to stay put. He was told that he did not have to deal with it. We have to suspend a lot to make sure that a killer goes free.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

You are right: Losing a neighborhood watchman who thinks he is a cop is no great loss. ;)By Florida's law, he is not a killer. Your definition of killer may differ ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

No, Florida law does not think all killers are bad. He is definitely a killer. He is not a murderer though.Zimmerman was also not the model citizen just so you know. "In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence."
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

OK, so Zimmerman is a good killer and thus not a murderer ;)OK, so maybe Zimmerman has a couple of anger management issues. So did Trayvon. And people like that tend to find each other ;)Oh..., and because of their chance meeting, there is now one less nut on the planet ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

And if they electrocute Zimmerman, 2 less nuts. ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Oh..., does Florida have an electric chair? Those are always fun ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

If that was the case then Zimmerman showed incredible restraint by not having his gun drawn from the beginning. He had no way to know if martin had a gun or knife. Yet, you want us to believe he would have tried to subdue him physically rather than to hold him at gunpoint? You are making a better case for the idea that Martin jumped Zimmerman and not the other way around.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

No, he didn't have his gun pulled because he is not a cop. People like you would say that he clearly intended to kill Trayvon because his gun was out. Zimmerman was not allowed to check on Trayvon in a safe way. How did Zimmerman get jumped staying near his car? Oh yeah, he didn't he approached Trayvon. That's no longer jumping someone, that's self defense.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Are you ok? You are not making any sense anymore. Cops are not the only people who are allowed to draw their weapons when they feel it's necessary for them to draw their weapons. It seems like you need some time away from this so you can start thinking clearly again.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

I think you are mistaken here. I don't believe it would have been legal for Zimmerman to pull out his concealed weapon and point it at Trayvon, that's assault with a deadly weapon. Plus, you were the one who said that had Zimmerman had his gun out and then shot Trayvon he would look guilty. I don't make sense because I used your logic.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

I know people who have used a gun in self defense situations and you are wrong. When it is justified, it is legal for a person to draw their weapon and hold someone until the cops get there or to shoot them if that is justified. You are young, naïve or stupid to miss that. Don't you ever watch the news? People protect themselves like that frequently.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Dude, timeline. We are now talking about pulling your gun out BEFORE the self defense situation. Got anything different to say?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Dude, reminder. You were talking about Zimmerman detaining martin until the cops could get there. If he was anxious to use his gun, he could have detained him with his gun. Do the math.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

That's not defense, that's pulling a gun on a guy holding snacks. That's assault. I think that is against the rules.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Zimmerman's call to the police was about a guy dressed in dark clothing and looking like he was on drugs looking suspicious in his neighborhood where he was part of the crime watch. It would have been out of line in my opinion for him to have held martin at gunpoint until the cops got their but that's why a guy who was overanxious to use his gun would have done instead of waiting for Martin to break his nose and bash his head before finally pulling his gun.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

The only way Trayvon would still be alive is if Zimmerman had pulled his gun out before hand to detain him. Looks like your way of thinking sucks.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Did I say that is the "only" way Martin might still be alive? No. I don't think I did. Looks like your tunnel vision is catching up to you.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Did I say that is the "only" way Martin might still be alive? No dumbass, that's what I just said. It is a factual statement. Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman did not come out with his gun, therefore, the only way for Trayvon to still be alive is if he had come out with his gun.Of course it is still possible for Trayvon to die in that scenario, we only know for sure that the hidden gun scenario results in Trayvon dead.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

You're the dumbass in this debate not me. You've argued even against yourself in this debate. Your followed your own conclusion with the comment saying my logic sucks. How is that not supposed to look like the conclusion and the remark were not being attributed to me? You are obviously prejudiced in this case and as the case unfolds we will see who the real dumbass is.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Wrong debate idiot. This is the did Zimmerman do anything wrong debate, clearly he did, and whether or not he is found not guilty won't change whether I am right or wrong.In the other debate the question was is he guilty of something, which I interpreted as is he a bad guy, not will he be found guilty in a court of law for the crime that he has been accused of. I say he is a bad person, but I am intelligent enough to understand that he created the circumstances needed to get off on self defense. You are incapable of discussing the facts of the case outside of the one minute where Trayvon was on the "offensive".You are obviously prejudiced in this caseYeah, I don't like killers. Are you going to call me crazy when I don't like rapists?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

You haven't proved that Zimmerman did anything "wrong." The evidence does not support many of your claims at all. The evidence does however support my observations and claims and the evidence supports Zimmerman's claims. So, who's the idiot?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

If you can't admit that Zimmerman did something wrong, not illegal just wrong, than you are too prejudiced yourself. Zimmerman called the police and was safe away from Trayvon, if he ended up in the situation where he was getting his head smashed into the ground, he did something wrong.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

You can't tell me what Zimmerman did that was wrong and give the details for why it was wrong. Unless you can prove he did something "wrong" It is only your opinion that he did something wrong. Everything that we know took place that night can be justified in one way or another.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Yep, if he wanted to murder Trayvon he would have gone to follow him after the dispatcher told him not to. Totally justified.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Are you are seriously alleging "murder" by and act of premeditated self defense where the "murderer" actually involved the police and got his nose broken and his head bashed in? That's an incredible criminal act if Zimmerman can actually get away with it.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

We know Zimmerman is a wimp. So, he would have been a little slower and a lot more hesitant. So, he goes over to kill, but he is not sure if he should because he is a wimp. Then Trayvon it turns out is faster and stronger. Then Zimmerman shoots him and gets to claim self defense. Of course I don't actually believe this is the case, but you can see that it is possible. And, it won't be the first murder that didn't go according to plan.What I was saying is we know for sure that if he didn't want to murder Trayvon he would have stayed at his car. We also know that if he did want to murder Trayvon leaving his car would make it easier.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

How many "murderers" do you know of with Zimmerman's stature that would go into a dark area behind some houses and confront someone who can clearly kick his ass and then allow that person to break their nose and beat their head against the ground before finally drawing their gun and shooting?Remember. You called him a Murderer.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

1, George Zimmerman. Every murder is unique. I actually didn't call him a murderer. I was saying that if he was a murderer, he would have had to take the actions that he took. I was saying that a murderer would have done the same thing Zimmerman did.I am only trying to be the voice for the victim. Trayvon Martin is dead, and I think that is wrong.Can you comment on a hypothetical question? Let's say guy A comes at guy B and hits him with a bat. Then guy B is able to get up. Now, guy B has a chance to run away and call the police, but he doesn't. He confronts guy A and starts beating him and takes him to the ground. Now guy B is on top of guy A and guy A is in real danger. He pulls out a knife and stabs guy B in the arm and guy B stops. Was guy A acting in self defense, or was guy B justified in attacking guy A because guy A hit him with a bat?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

When you say that Zimmerman "murdered" Martin you are in fact calling Zimmerman a "murderer" and your idiocy continues because you won't or can't admit that it would be foolish for a "murderer" to allow their target to break their nose and bash their head on a sidewalk before deciding it's time to shoot them.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

I didn't know that I had said that. I was trying to be careful. Which argument was that in? I meant to say killed. I was saying killed in a bunch of other places. Can you tell me which argument I said it in, maybe I meant something else.it would be foolish for a "murderer" to allow their target to break their nose and bash their head on a sidewalk before deciding it's time to shoot them.I didn't mean that I thought it was his master plan to allow himself to be beaten up, I meant that he thought he had everything handled, and then ended up being beaten up so the situation changed. I totally agree that getting your nose busted in is not the best way to murder someone.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

You said "Yep, if he wanted to murder Trayvon he would have gone to follow him after the dispatcher told him not to. Totally justified."That looks like you were calling him a murderer to me.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Yeah, I didn't actually call him a murderer. A murderer would have gotten out of the car and followed Trayvon, correct?An eager neighborhood watch would also, except of course that Zimmerman was not actually acting as neighborhood watch at the time, he was going to the store.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Cartman, do you think that George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin or not?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

I am not sure what second degree murder really means, but I would say no, I don't think he murdered Trayvon.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Thank you for that. Can we get past the allegations of murder now?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Not yet, it doesn't go to the jury until Friday ;)
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Now then?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

I wish, stupid NAACP won't drop it. I hope he doesn't get federal charges against him.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

I just went back and realized that you totally avoided my argument. Haha, I won.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

You won? Ok if you think so. I'm sorry you think I avoided your arguments. Have a good day.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

We know for a fact that Trayvon dies if Zimmerman approaches him without his gun drawn. So, the only way Trayvon lives is if Zimmerman approaches with his gun drawn. Apparently you don't like this fact, and forfeited.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

You are making the assumption that Zimmerman "approached" Martin and we don't "know" that he did that at all. You have not proved that Zimmerman initiated contact with Martin. All we know for sure is that he was following Martin against the dispatcher's advice and reporting his location to the police.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

All we know for sure is that he was following Martin against the dispatcher's advice and reporting his location to the police.Except you put this in the wrong order. He reported his location, then ignored the dispatcher. If Zimmerman was at his car reporting Trayvon to the police, he knew Trayvon was there and Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman was there. Are you alleging that Trayvon approached Zimmerman at his car and that Zimmerman was never following him?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Martin was on the move and Zimmerman was trying to give updates and a more exact location. You need to listen to the tapes again. Also, you should know that Martin did approach and circle Zimmerman while he was still in his car.
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

Can you explain why when Trayvon had an opportunity to run and he beat someone up it is not ok, but when Zimmerman had an opportunity to run away and he shot someone it is ok?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Self Defense

When did Zimmerman have a chance to run? When Trayvon attacked him and was sitting on top of him?
Debate: Did George Zimmerman Do Anything Wrong?
Side: Absolutely

Was Trayvon on top of him when he called the police? No. Zimmerman was not in danger, called the police, put himself in danger, killed someone. You can only assume that Trayvon was not forced to the ground by Zimmerman, whereas we all know for a fact that Zimmerman could have avoided the whole situation.