azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Using your definitions just shows that dragons (supreme beings) are God.You use whatever words you want at whatever time you want.Oxford says: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.You vacillate between saying this is so and not so. It is so as long as you don't have to provide any evidence, then it is not so and God is just reality again.merriam-webster gives these examples:a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind again, you think that's great until you have to back it up with anything but your say so.Then, God is back to just the useless version of reality.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You clearly don't know what you are talking about, there can only be One Supreme Being by definition. There cannot be "supreme beings".Your gods are worthless idols and fetishes you show favor to over The Truth. Abandon your wicked ways, repent, and believe the gospel, that God is Salvation!
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

there can only be One Supreme Being by definitionMy dragons are like the Trinity - they are multiple and one at the same time - see, more proof that dragons are God.(ask me about the one I keep in my garage)Your gods are worthlessYou've made your own God worthless. If God is nothing but reality, then it says nothing of whether God is moral, worthy of worship, cares about anything - especially humans - especially enough to intervene in the natural processes of the universe, or whether God can intervene even if he wants to.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

My dragons are like the Trinity - they are multiple and one at the same time - see, more proof that dragons are God."Everything about this statement is wrong. Besides that, It is true what I say, by definition there can only be One Supreme Being.You aren't even trying. Maybe I should just take the advice of your name."You've made your own God worthless. If God is nothing but reality, then it says nothing of whether God is moral, worthy of worship, cares about anything - especially humans - especially enough to intervene in the natural processes of the universe, or whether God can intervene even if he wants to."In other words, reality is not a factor in your decision making process.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

The question remains, though, whether it is logical to disbelieve in unicorns and gremlins either (rather than to abstain from a belief in either direction). It may be reasonable to disbelieve, but whether it is logical is another matter.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Atheism is basically a position on one question and that is whether there is a god or not . Theists seem to think if an Atheist cannot explain how it all started then his position is disingenuous ; this is not the case at all as it's the most genuine and honest approach to take .Billions of believers say there is a god yet not one of them can provide one shred of solid evidence to support such a claim , the only way they know of god is through the bible which is an error filled and contradictory book from start to finish . It's totally irrational to believe the claim god exists yet fulfills none of the criteria of existent things as in a god has never been seen , heard or touched yet believers say they have a ' relationship ' with him .If say the Christian god exists why can he not show himself ?If all his followers totally believe in him how would showing himself ruin that relationship ?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Evidence ? There is none , and I don't believe in a god so attempting to ' understand ' a god is ridiculous.Regards a dictionary stating what constitutes a god so what ? Yours is just one of thousands of different attempts by believers at defining what they think god is all meaningless nonsense not wothy of serious contemplation
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”You are scared of a word. You are so scared of the word "God" that you can't even accept what it means. You can't accept what it means because it makes you wrong.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I don't believe in a god or gods so saying I'm scared of a word makes no sense ; like everything you say it seems
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

So in other words, you are saying that God is arbitrary?Definition of arbitrary courtesy of merriam-webster"existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will"Definition "capricious" courtesy of merriam-webster "governed or characterized by caprice :impulsive, unpredictable"Definition of "caprice" courtesy of merriam-webster"a sudden, impulsive, and seemingly unmotivated notion or action"
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Why would I speculate about the nature of a fictional supernatural entity called god ?What you're saying makes no sense .
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

The definition of God as just reality itself would make god a useless being/concept.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

No, God isn't "just" reality. God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.No, it is not a useless concept. Your inability to see the utility in taking your relationship with God seriously does not change the fact that you'd be better off keeping it real.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

No, God isn't "just" reality. God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.Define the difference(s) between 'Supreme and Ultimate Reality' and just reality.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

It is the difference between reality as it is observed, as it is perceived, as it is thought to be, as it appears to be, as it seems to be, as it is known to be, as it is believed to be and....REALITY AS IT TRULY IS
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Then provide evidence that there is some difference between the two.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Then you agree, God exists.Congratulations, you may actually believe that theism is the more logical stance.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Your line of argument is that you can just claim victory??Here, I'll try - thanks for coming to your senses and agreeing with me.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You admitted that you can't tell the difference between God and reality, so that sounds to me like you believe in God.I could be wrong, so could you clarify? Do you believe in reality?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

What I said:"provide evidence that there is some difference between the two."That is not an admission that there are two, it is a request for you to provide information on why you think both exist.Do you believe in reality?Do you think believing in reality necessarily includes believing in a moral authority, and an omnipotent being with intent for the fate of humanity?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

"Do you think believing in reality necessarily includes believing in a moral authority, and an omnipotent being with intent for the fate of humanity?"Without a doubt.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Then that is where your argument (/equivocation fallacy) breaks down.You must give some reason why reality must include those in order to support your position.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

No, I'm not making a fallacy. You are making the fallacy of denying reality.You're a loon. You are not going to be able to reason your way out of this foolishness.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Step 1: God = reality - do you believe in reality?um, for the sake of argument, sureStep 2: well, my definition of 'reality' includes an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good god that created everything, which has intent for the fate of all man-kind,and you said you believe in reality, so you must think the same.Changing the definition to fit your position = equivocation fallacy:http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Equivocation.html
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

No, you are wrong.You don't have to believe the same things about The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. In fact, whatever we think The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is surely cannot be The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.That is what the word means, and you are attaching unnecessary baggage to the concept. Do I believe that baggage is all implied? Absolutely. You do not have that realization. What you can realize is that God means "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality", and if you deny this, you are denying reality, and if you are denying reality you have build your house on sand.I'm not changing the definition of anything, you aren't seeing what is essential.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Yes, no one these days has seen, heard, or touched God, But atheism has just as much evidence as Creationism (Maybe even less). So, I want you to give me one piece of evidence that shows atheism is true.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

atheism has just as much evidence as Creationism (Maybe even less). There is lots of evidence against creation as described in Genesis - e.g. an earth with water, an atmosphere, grass, fruit trees, night and day, before the sun was created is not a reliable explanation of creation.give me one piece of evidence that shows atheism is trueReasons for not believing in God:The absence of evidence for believing.Incongruities/contradictions between those that do believe.Reduced ability to make reliable predictions compared to knowledge gained from the scientific method.Problem of evil (argument against all-good, all-powerful god that loves humans)Simple to complex evolution better explains our origins, social moors, etc.The predisposition towards superstition when given random stimuli.The vanishing "God of the Gaps" as our knowledge/information increases.The existence of moral dilemmas.etc.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Atheism isn't logical at all. Agnosticism is logical. This for example:-atheism is consistent with the evidence (or lack of evidence)Isn't logical because absence of evidence isn't the same thing as evidence of absence.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Let's define terms, because atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive.(Note that when I use the word agnostic I am referring to somebody who says they don't know if God exists, rather than one who says it's not possible to know if God exists)There are four common possibilities:1. Gnostic theist: Believes there is a god(s), and is certain of this.2. Agnostic theist: Believes there is a god(s), but is uncertain of this.3. Gnostic atheist: Lacks belief in a god(s), and is certain there isn't one.4. Agnostic atheist: Lacks belief in a god(s), but doesn't know for sure.I get what you are saying, but this is only applicable to number 3, not 4, which most atheists are.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Thanks for saying it! (One of the shortcomings of this format is that it leaves only two choices, and often both are unsupportable.)How is it so hard for people to admit that they have no evidence and no possible way to know?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

The atheist stance to me is perfectly supportable ,most Atheists do not claim with absolute certainty or absolute knowledge that they know there is not a god which is a common misconception. However, they do say that they do not have a belief in a god at least in relative terms because everything we understand about the universe and how it functions and operates does not imply a god exists. Supernatural phenomena such as the belief in a god have not met the burden of proof because they have not been demonstrably demonstrated and verified with empirical evidence. You do not go about life assuming things exist and then require these things to be disproven before you dismiss them. If you were to go about life this way you would end up believing everything you were told. Instead you should assume that things do not exist until these things have first been demonstrably demonstrated or discovered to be true. Just because something is possible does not mean it's probable
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

This is where the term agnostic (don't know but generally doubt due to lack of evidence) is useful as a way to differentiate from atheist (specifically believe there is no god).
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

If the only "evidence" you have is that you believe there is no God, then why do you argue with my stance? I believe that there is a god, so...don't argue with my stance when you yourself have just as evidence as I do.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

You saying that's the only argument I have is disengenous, I said I would present my evidence if you backed your claim up , you haven't .
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

IF you do not believe in God, you are an atheist. Agnostics are functionally atheists. They are arbitrary. Do you believe there is such a thing as truth? If so, you believe in God."O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

The burden of proof for the existence of a God falls wholly on theists. An Atheist's position is simply that any claim that has no basis or evidence can be dismissed until it is backed.There is no reason for anyone to believe in something unless it can be demonstrated or backed by concrete evidence, and as far as anyone could tell, there isn't anything that explicitly points to the existence of a divine entity besides wishful thinking or suspicious anecdotes.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

There is more evidence that shows God exists. Atheism has no evidence supporting it, so why do you believe something is so irrelevant?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

That depends upon whether dismissal is enacted as an absence of belief or an active disbelief. In the case of the latter, a respective positive claim has been made in response to the original positive claim that god(s) exist(s). While there is little motivation for an atheist of the latter variety to fulfill their burden of proof when the theist does not do so, that does not mean there is no burden of proof.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Atheism is basically a position on one question and that is whether there is a god or not .Theists seem to think if an Atheist cannot explain how it all started then his position is disingenuous ; this is not the case at all as it's the most genuine and honest approach to take .Billions of believers say there is a god yet not one of them can provide one shred of solid evidence to support such a claim , the only way they know of god is through the bible which is an error filled and contradictory book from start to finish .It's totally irrational to believe the claim god exists yet fulfills none of the criteria of existent things as in a god has never been seen , heard or touched yet believers say they have a ' relationship ' with him .If say the Christian god exists why can he not show himself ?If all his followers totally believe in him how would showing himself ruin that relationship ?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Definition of superstition courtesy of merriam-webster1 a :a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causationb :an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition2 :a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary~~~Definition of god1 capitalized :the supreme or ultimate reality: such asa :the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe~~~~The Ultimate Reality is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe, the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness. It's about The Truth.Do you recognize The Ultimate Reality as being God? Do you recognize The Supreme Reality as being God? Do you recognize The Necessary Existence? Do you recognize The Singularity?  Do you believe in this God? How could you not? Isn't it obvious that God has given you everything? Do you deny this God?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

But I keep telling you I don't believe in god so you may define the term anyway you wish it's still nonsense ; regarding superstitious well that's you going on your much loved definitions .......an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

I bet you can't say "I believe that there is no ultimate reality".You already know how stupid it sounds.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

So you cannot accept I believe there's no god ? ..........................
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

The fact that you can not say, "I believe there is no ultimate reality" proves to me that you do in fact believe in God, whether or not you are willing to admit it.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Well the fact that you cannot comprehend a simple statement regarding my position on the possibility of a god proves you're a retard
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

I understand that you say you do not believe in gods.Do you believe that there is ultimate reality?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Can you say, "I believe that there is ultimate reality."? If you can't say that you don't believe, can you say that you believe?You are being evasive for a reason. You are trying to obscure the true meaning of your position.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I'm not being evasive , I don't believe in god , can you say you use the term ultimate reality instead of saying and asking do I believe in god
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Why don't you say, "I do not believe in ultimate reality" instead of saying, "I do not believe in god."?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

They are the same thing as well you know so I still do not believe in god
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

So in other words, you don't really believe anything you say is true.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Incorrect again I don't believe anything you say is true ..............
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You say the idea of a God is ridiculous. creationism has more evidence supporting it than atheism, yet you choose believe in something with even less evidence than creationism, why? I would love fore you to give me one piece of evidence that supports atheism.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Creationism had zero evidence , I don't choose to believe in anything I reject the claim there is a god . The burden of proof is with you as you're making the affirmative claim ..... so prove your god exists
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You just tried to turn the question on me. You can't give evidence because you have none. Why are you trying to get me to give evidence when you can't provide any yourself. Also, every design has a designer, right? The universe has a highly complex design. Therefore, the universe has a designer. That's my "evidence".
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You said "prove YOUR God exists". Does that imply that you have one?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You just tried to turn the question on me. You can't give evidence because you have none. Why are you trying to get me to give evidence when you can't provide any yourself. Also, every design has a designer, right? The universe has a highly complex design. Therefore, the universe has a designer. That's my "evidence". P.S.You said creationism "had" zero evidence, does that imply that you think it has evidence now?