Debate: Health Care Should Be Free
Side: Pay to Live

Money has no value, as it is not a resource; it is not something humanity needs. But it does have an influence, a negative influence.Wrong, money used to have value. How it worked was, banks would hold resources and give out bank notes (money) at any point in time you could go to the bank and turn your bank note for resources. Don't get all all money confused with the late 19th early 20th century idea of fiat currency (money backed up by no resource or economy)You think current economy is not controlled and monitored? It is, and since currently there is money involved it requires even more controlling and monitoring than it would otherwise. The only difference that would be would be the lack of a medium of exchange.1. Our current economy is monitored and regulated because we are trying to centrally plan it, I am strongly against this. 2. You need a medium of exchange for value for trade. Trade is giving something of value for something of value. If it is only going one way then the system will not work (ex: the store gives me food and I give nothing back) Clear bias here.If you want 9 billion people to all be able to function in a world without money or trade you would have to have it be planned. The centrally controlled thing... just stupid. If you think they should then be centrally controlled then currently they are also centrally controlled. Are they currently? No.If you would like to have the food store give away free food, the factories give free food to the super markets, the farmers give free food to the factories then all these companies getting their supplies for free then all those companies getting their supplies for free ect. it would have to be planned. Unless of course the economy only consist of 20 people.You are so biased. Once someone mentions "no money" you immediately think there is only one way it can be, and that is just so fucking stupid.No, there are other ways it can work, such as the batter system or a universal resource used for trade. Money just happens to be the most efficient way.There has never been a large society without money because the ones in control haven't allowed it to happen - it's called personal comfort, immaturity of mind, greed and stupidity and ignorance, all working together.It was allowed. Back when banks that issued currency were private you could choose what currency you used to trade, or, every one could have chose not to trade at all and just have a money free society. My opinions are based, it all comes down to it, on logic. What are yours based on? On books and texts you have read and taken as true without really thinking whether what you read was actually true or not. That is immature. Grow up.My theory is based on logic and knowledge, where as yours is based on how you wish the world would function. Thinking that anyone who has knowledge is illogical is immature, grow up.Sure you could say the same but in my case it would not be true at all. As to supporting views... you have yet to do that yourself. But since logic eludes you... you can't.Back to the "I'm logical you're not" speech, ah how childish.Oh, now I see. This is where your bias comes from. You literally cannot think without referring to things you've read somewhere. You don't seem to have an independent mind.That's like calling me biased and having an independent mind for calling a stream a river. IT is amusing how you can't actually support your arguments without your whole "uh, well, you're just biased" thing. How pathetic.Yet it does.*8People can trade resources voluntarily? That's greedy! - said no intelligent person ever.You can call it whatever you want. If you have something you do not need, especially if there is a lot of that something, and never will and still don't want to give it to someone who actually does need it then it is greed. Plain and simple greed.You don't NEED a computer, you just want one, give it away your greedy bastard. You have a home that could likely house more people than just you, give it away you greedy bastard! There are people without computer and housing, so open up your door and offer everyone free internet and housing... unless you're greedy of course.Since universally there's no right or wrong, there's no purpose or meaning for anything none of it matters, but from our, humanity's and life's, perspective - from survival's perspective - right and wrong, what is best, are easily set and according to those money has no place anywhere.It has a great place in trade. But then again, you see people voluntarily trading resources with a medium of exchange to be greedy.If there was no money all you needed you'd get, for free, at any time.Lets say I have coal and you wanted to buy coal, but you don't have enough money, you can't get it. Since money is backed up by resource, if you get rid of money you would either A. get the resources your money was backed up by and still not have enough to get the coal, or B. if its a fiat currency you end up with nothing, so you'd be even more screwed. First I came up with "Are you fucking high?", then occurred to me the many times you've noted being a drug user, and then I came up with "you probably are".I happen to smoke Marijuana every now and then, does that make a full blow addict how is always high? No, thats called being biased.So you can go ahead shove you ridiculous drug thingy up your shithole. Biased moronThere is no drug that I am aware of that goes up your ass. Biased moron.Talking about rights? You want to get into that too? I do not care about any rights, about any laws, or any "official" rules, because presently they are all far too messed up. So I use my own mind to view everything objectively, without having some crap as basis.Its not about laws, its about rights. Lets say the government makes a law that says you can't speak badly about it, that infringes on my rights. You think I have everything on a decent, sufficient level? No. Is it my fault? No. Whose then? It all comes down to money and those who from total ignorance and stupidity keep the current way alive.If you have no skills and aren't all the bright, then yeah, having everything be free is probably the way to go.Pretentious? Yes you are.I am not the one calling every an idiot and saying how everyone is biased, stupid and can't think. That would be you, that is very pretentious.Depends on the person. Some need to know more and still don't get it right, some need to know very little to get it completely right.You don't much and you are completely wrong. So I guess you need to make a new category.As I've said, somewhere. Having lots of knowledge on a subject does not make one smart. As is obvious.It doesn't, however, having no knowledge doesn't make you open minded. Actually, for the most part people who have very little information are closed minded and just wall themselves in to their own view.The being blinded by knowledge was about you, not about everyone. And ignorant? Where did you take that? You simply don't have the capacity to objectively view the knowledge you have.Explain how I am blinded by knowledge. Because I happen to know a thing or two about how things work, where as you just simply act as if any knowledge contrary to your doctrine of belief makes me blind. You're like a kid, if someone doesn't agree with you, they are wrong. If they prove you wrong, they are indoctrinated and blind.You mean like the seeing a comment "no money" and immediately assuming it can never work, that it is impossible for it to work? Very... "objective" indeed.Let me clear this up, I never just assumed that it would never work. Yo assume that because that I just saw "no money" and then yelled at the top of my lungs "gasp, i've never heard of that before! it could never work!" you're not the first person I've debated currency with, you likely won't be the last. I didn't assume you were wrong, I just argued for why you were wrong.Questioning is easy, form a question and it's done. But when comes time to answer...I constantly question my beliefs just like most people who think about the world do. Just because I view this differently you than you does not mean in anyway that I don't ask questions to myself.So... you support greed and freedom? Currency is not of freedom, currency goes hand in hand with slavery, currency comes from greed and so does slavery.Actually, slavery is an almost moneyless system. Instead of paying your workers you just provide them with food. Money =/= greed, greed = greed. you always have to worry about money and how much of it you have and how much you will needif there was no money you would be worrying about how many resources you have and how many you will need.In the end all the products for everyone will be produced, there's sufficient amount of everything for everyone to have a decent life but... people don't and never will have the money to acquire a life worth all their trouble. Working for money is not a life worth existence.Working for money is like working for anything else. Instead of getting food, a home and anything else you need you get the resources to get these things. Someone gives you enough money for a house, its not "oh shit, all I have is this paper" you say "fuck yeah, I can get a house"