Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

It is not valid, in fact you miss the point entirely.No, I fully understand the point, I see exactly what you are saying, it's just that it is fallacy. If not ill-informed then willfully ignorant. Willfully ignorant, like ignoring evidence?I don't recognize this contradiction, because there is no contradiction here.You don't recognize it because you can't. The thought of entertaining a Godless Universe is too much for the average Christian.You believe that God is evil, because of His omniscience. I believe that God is great due to His omniscience that He knows all, and that God loves us and delivered us from the evil we created.I don't believe in God, I merely point out problems with accepted Dogma. This is basically bullshit though my friend, I'm starting to see that you can't ever see this as it is.Knowing there would be evil in the creation doesn't make Him evil. My word, again, honestly dude, this makes no sense at all, any designer that designs a creation in the knowledge that it will be evil must therefore be, call that arbitrary if you like, it is deductive reasoning.Especially seeing how He designed a way for all to be redeemed.How does this work for those that have not heard about God?What you fail to recognize is the "true" believers that would stay loyal to God and not turn away from Him. We are all tested at one point in our lives to see through our faithfulness.What you fail to see is that not everyone is born equal, and that what true believer is to you is different to someone else, you were indoctrinated with your specific Dogma, and are blind to all else. The passage from Job I showed you was to demonstrate the loyalty that God requires from us. He is the one who created everything. That creation includes free will which is what gives us the choice to do evil. God wouldn't make us to be mindless robots. How then could we have a real relationship with Him?It also shows God and the Devil having a bet at the expense of one of Gods most faithful followers. It also shows interference of God in the life of a man, something you claimed he didn't do.Random molecular interactions doesn't equate experience. The fact that we can conceive and derive logic demonstrates our Creator as the originator of these laws.What? What are you talking about? random molecular interactions! do you know anything about bio molecules, you are just making stupid statements now for the sake of it. Logic's existence is not evidence of God, it is evidence of learned experience over millions of years. Why exactly does God change the rules? Why is it deemed OK now to be cured of sickness that at one time put you in your grave in a day or two. Logic is the eventuality of experience and Logic has caught up with and surpassed religious superstition.All that we witness with nature and astrophysics is degradation of material. A disorder of natural phenomena is was we witness not an order or evolution of material.Ahh the old Thermodynamics nugget, I've seen this one touted by creationists before and it does not work in your favor, First of all if you want to make physical laws, (especially those at the quantum level) work on a biological system you have to apply them to the individual genes not the complex organism they produce, biological systems on doing anything including becoming more complex use energy, which exits the body as heat causing the surroundings to become less ordered, reactions like the formation of water would not appear to be spontaneous but it is, it is the spontaneous formation of order that causes the universe directly around the system to become more disordered, in the evolution of life on earth and the apparent ordering of the universe other parts are becoming more disordered. Secondly while we are on this subject Thermodynamics tells us that energy or matter can not be created or destroyed it changes form, how does this then sit with the idea that God created all, out of nothing? Did he take the energy from himself therefore becoming a weaker, less perfect being and as from your point he is now more disordered and like the rest of the Universe tending towards chaos? Hmmm....You say the idea of God is impossible, then I say your beliefs in natural organization is absurd and unobservable.Natural organization has been observed, evolution has been observed, it does not violate the law of entropy and therefore is more in keeping with thermodynamics than God. These naturally occurring events we witness are due to God's creation and maintenance of what He made.So evolution is true, and is the maintenance of the universe, but he doesn't want to maintain all of the Universe he wants it to become more chaotic is that your point, the natural tendency towards disorder is actually God keeping order?A secular interpretation of the evidence is what swayed your fragile beliefs.Too right it did, and you can throw digs if you wish I don't really care, here is the point though the secular part just means unbiased, and the religious interpretation is only trying to squeeze God into another gap, if this is the way the world carried on then nothing would be achieved.Please tell me the relevance of the bible passage other than to tell me that your book thinks I'm living according to the flesh and are therefore dead. If it's not going to shed light on the debate can you please keep it out, I've read the bible, it's actually a good read and I enjoyed it both when I was a believer and not, I don't need to be reading passages from it in a debate that have nothing to do with the debate. Cheers.