azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

That statement is way to broad and is in itself a falicy.How? I was responding to his comment, which said that many scientists agree with intelligent design. His statement was false. Even if what your saying is true (which I guess would only be if you get all of your information from Discovery Channel) scientists dont determine truth.Of course scientists do not determine truth. Our best method so far for discovering truth is through the scientific method. It's not through faith, or whatever other method. Lots of scientists have used this method, and have come to similar conclusions in regards to the big bang or evolution or other fields of science. More evidence is more pieces to the puzzle, and everyone has the same puzzle. It's not like religion or faith where its completely subjective. I can name several PhD scientists off the top of my head who have made great advances in recent science and who, not only reject atheism, but also evolution.What famous, well regarded scientists rejects evolution? My information doesn't come from the TV. Perhaps you shouldn't get all your information from a 2000 year old book.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

It's a fallacy because it is a blanket statement you haven't backed up with facts." Our best method so far for discovering truth is through the scientific method."Another fallacy since the scientific method cannot varify the scientific method. Unless you are able to varify it, your worldview is reduced to absurdity."My information doesn't come from the TV. Perhaps you shouldn't get all your information from a 2000 year old book."Unless I trusted in a 2000 year old book my worldview would be absurd like yours. Because I believe in God, I have a reason to believe the scientific method because I have a reason believe in knowledge. To know anything you have to either know everything or know someone who does. If you don't, something you don't know could contradict what you do know, therefore you can't know anything. I do know someone who knows everything and you don't, therefore I have a reason for truth and you don't. You can't even logically prove your own existence, I can because of the 2000 year old book."What famous, well regarded scientists rejects evolution?"Another fallacy, I can list several times in history where the people who were right were not famous, well regarded scientists. Yet I will give you an example: John Sanford, inventor of the 'gene gun' the first device able to change the molecular structure of plant cells.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Hahaha, This is basically what you said "I don't varify the scientific method with the scientific method, I just varify it with science" LOL. Eric got this argument the same place I got it from, logic. Logic is something you can't account for, therefore everything you said is discounted since you (are trying to) use logic. "your premise is false" You can't account for logic, therefore in your worldview my premise doesn't need to be correct in order to be true. Do you know everything? No. So something you don't know could contradict everything you think you know, therefore you don't know anything. I have a reason to believe in logic."But I can do the same thing as you and say that Zeus is my god, and that he knows everything. " So your no longer an atheist, you are a Greek. If, however, your posing this in the hypothetical, you can't know anything as an atheist, so your statement merely proved my point since you tried to use logic again." but it says his position is rejected by most people in his field...."So was Galileo's Look dude, whatever you say in your next reply is going to have a knowledge claim in it and therefore prove my point. You can't even prove you exist without God (you proof would have 'I' in it and would therefore beg the question.) Your just constantly proving what Romans 1 say over and over.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

you take the scientific community as a source of truth. This is an appeal to authority, who are abstract and undefined. It lends discrete if one believes them relevant to the truth of the proposed statement, but i do not believe that this abstract entity has any relevance to this argument. To be more clear, this scientific community has about as much possibility as god.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Wait, how does the scientific community, which has material evidence of exists, have as much "possibility" as god?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Many scientists may be theists but this does not mean the believe there is irrefutable and incontrovertible proof of a god or gods. Moreover, very few scientists actually specialize in areas that would give them any authority on the matter of deistic probability.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

really? because i am pretty sure non of them do...............................
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

really? because im pretty you don't know evry single scientist....................
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Many scientists agree that there is a diety? Please define the term many. How about a percentage? I'll hinder to your point if you can find a scientist that wasn't raised in a faith based household that "converted".
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

at many sum of them they argee with this point becoz thousand magical things which is happening in world
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Yes yes*
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I'm a Christian and I'm totally against this argument. I believe in the God that I KNOW exists, not that possibly exists!
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

That you KNOWexists? That contradicts your religion. God is a faith based God. He does not make himself know because through faith he is pleased. You cannot 100% truly know and God set it up that way. If you say you "KNOW" he exists you are contradicting the point of the faith.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

That is such a messed up view of faith. Faith is not "maybe or maybe not" faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. If my faith is substantial, it is for sure. I am not giving my life for anything that is anything but 100% true. If you read my other argument you'll see that everyone has faith in something, whether it's their mind or logic, those are things that have to be taken by faith and yet they make no sense without faith in God. Faith is not unique to Christianity, but faith in the living God I KNOW exists is.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Can you prove he exists??? Is there any evidence???NO!!! So what makes you think god exists????
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

if believe that things around you exist, then God exists. Who is the creator? And if you think that there is no creator of these things, then use all your power and create a single thing. ( I don't mean transform.)
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

want proof read the bible and look up Christianity one day and you'll get your proof
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.ehm?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Matter cannpt be created or destroyed so something must have created it. Thats it.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

"Matter cannpt be created or destroyed so something must have created it."Wait, what? How can you assume something created it after just saying it cannot be created? And also, how do we know the universe even came from nothing? What if it didn't come from nothing? What if there is no such thing as nothing? If it's perfectly reasonable for one to believe in an eternally existing complex deity, then I see no reason why another cannot believe in eternally existing simple natural forces.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Thats why I am saying what if an eternal being could create everything since it cannot create itself. Nobody is right or wrong.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Thats why I am saying what if an eternal being could create everything since it cannot create itself. Nobody is right or wrong apart of the little detail that your statement has no backing and it goes against knowledge that we have.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Yet science has no answer to the start of the universe.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Depends how you define the "start" .
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The first step. The first action.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The first step. The first action.If time began with the big bang then there was logically no time for any event to happen before big bang, so big bang is the "fist step"...
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Something had to be before the big bang though right? Or else that means it was created.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Something had to be before the big bang though right? Or else that means it was created.has no sense.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Then who created the big bang?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

If there was no time prior to big bang, how there could be any before?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

If the eternal being is an exception to the rule, why assume what is eternal is a being that created everything? Where does the description of a sentient being become a logical conclusion based off of the First Law of Thermodynamics?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

These laws only explain the world around us. Not anything outside time-space?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

What caused the forces? The forces are effects, every effect has a cause, that is natural law. There is somebody behind the law of nature, and that is God who created nature. God is the cause of natural forces. This is simple common sense.To believe the natural forces are self existent is the religion of naturalism, in which you worship nature as the cause of your life.....while at the same time you hate nature for bringing you into existence only to suffer and die, a futile and meaningless reality you make for yourself by believing nature is God and needed no cause to exist. Only God exists without being caused.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

What is wrong with you?God is the Creator! Every action taken by God was on purpose.Honestly it doesn't matter if it was fairy dust and bang it existed. Or if God took His time on some days. Isnt that up to Him.I saw a few spiritual jewels in God's Word. And I shared them. And somethings I've been seeing, I think are really awesome nuggets of revelation..I shared it, if you don't see it, thats fine. Its my jewel today anyway!You don't see me calling you names, calling you a heretic, or saying your not a Christian. Dude you are sinning! Stop your hurting yourself by the pride and bitterness.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

childish logic based on simplified education for masses. I told you about Casimir's effect and the difference between classical mechanics and real world before, yet you keep posting same debunked bullshit over and over again.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Explain how the casimir effect made everything then. Go ahead.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

During the Casimir's effect particles appears and disappears without any cause. That means that you do not need a wizard, there are obviously another ways...
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

So explain how they formed evrything we have today.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

That effect requires existing materials. So what exactly are you arguing? How will that explain everything?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Particles are like rabbits then? When the magician pulls it out of the hat, I guess this proves that rabbits are usually born from their mothers but sometimes they just appear in magician's hats out of no where. ...Or maybe not. Maybe the magician is doing something we don't understand ust like the particles in the casimir effect ;)
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Interesting idea but what would be the point of doing so?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I'm sorry I don't understand. The point in doing what?My point was that a rabbit that magically appears in the magicians could be said to appear out of no where, therefore it may seem like particles appear out of the no where but in reality there is some sort of cause. The same could debunk the theory you're talking about by saying there is a cause and we just don't know it yet.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

All that stuff is happening on very elementary level, you cannot compare it to the slow moving macro world, game rules are quite different.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Fair enough. I'm not a physicist so I can't really argue with you on it. It is just quite difficult to believe that we can be absolutely sure that matter comes into existence without any cause. It would seem to me impossible to prove that there is no cause. I would have thought that the opinion would have been that we just don't know the cause of why matter comes into existence. But again i really don't know.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

In quantum physics it works this way: I can predict from observation that particle A will hit particle B if particle B spins. I can tell you how probable is it and when it will happen and how we may benefit from it. However I have no clue why it happens.We have so called "interpretations" of why it happens but they aren't actual theories. It just helps you to "visualize" the background of it.Casimirs effect happens in vacuum where is no matter/energy present at all and we observed particles coming out of there. It like you standing next to a room with only one exit and you know that there is no one in there but you see people constantly leaving that room and it happens because the room is empty.It's different place.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Matter cannpt be created or destroyed so something must have created it. Thats it.No its not. As you say matter cannot be created, so no God can create it. Matter (or energy) is what exists, always did and always will, without reason and cause. Just accept that and the universe will be better place.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

It cant exist eternally. It has a beginninh which came from the big bang and infinite big bangs cant occur.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Why can't energy exist eternally, but a God can?Also the big bang may not of been the beginning, general relativity breaks down at small scales. The idea that time and space began at the big bang came from relativity, so because relativity breaks down at small scales, it cannot be trusted at the beginning.Also there are models in which the universe is eternal, some of these are cyclic. At this moment in time we do not know if the universe had an ultimate beginning.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Well tell me. If our universe came from the big bang and an infinite line of big bangs is impossible and our universe has an end then how is it eternal?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

How is an infinite number of big bangs impossible?There are cyclic models, in which the universe is infinite. There are also models in which we are just one universe, in an eternal multiverse.I am not saying any of these models are correct, all I am saying is there is that, there are models in which the universe is eternal, and we do not know whether it began or not.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The universe would lose energy each time wouldnt it? Also wouldnt it overheat?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

There may be in a couple, but I haven't heard these problems. I don't think they would lose energy, just because energy is conserved. I don't know what you mean by overheat.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

And this is all theoretical correct?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Yes they are all theoretical. All I am doing is there are models in which the universe is eternal. All our models before Planck time are theoretical, they are all hypothesis, and at this moment cannot be tested. So people shouldn't take them as facts, because they are not.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

It cant exist eternally. Why not? It has a beginninh which came from the big bang Isn't your claim that inteeligent creator created universe.infinite big bangs cant occur.Why wouldn't they?On the contrary I think they can.About your other poop about universum would loose energy that you pooped longer in the thread; how can universe loos energy when energy cannot be created of destroyed; it can only change the form. You who are pooping about thermodynamics all over the place here should know that. Lost of energy you are referring from thermodynamics, does not mean lost of energy from universe. The energy you loose in heating or making work is still present in universe in some other form (for example it heated up surface during the friction just as illustration). If there is nothing outside the universe, where would energy be loosed? Energy just changes the form; it is not lost as "destroyed for ever". It is conserved, just as you wrote yourself (but obviously not reallly conscious what it means). Also it means that energy, (and matter since those are just two different forms of same thing) is eternal.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Scientists have already agreed that the universe would lose energy for each big bang. If I am pooping up stuff then tell me. What happened before the big bang and please only answer this question. I would like to see your response. Because even the biggest athiest I know cant guve me an answer.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Scientists have already agreed that the universe would lose energy for each big bang. If I am pooping up stuff then tell me.  Yes you are pooping stuff because you said your self that energy can not be created or destroyed. Outside of the universum and big bang is nothing, so where should energy go away? Energi IS the universum at the very moment of the big bang (if that theory is correct at all). What scientists? Link to your theory.What happened before the big bangAnother universe. By the way there are other theorys than ever oscilating unverse. Because even the biggest athiest I know cant guve me an answer. Of course I can give you answer young lady. But before I do that I have to correct you and point out that there are no "biggest" or "smallest" atheist. There are only primates who believe in god, and intelligent humans who know better than to believe in fairy tails.About your question: nobody knows. At the moment. That is the answer. You might have red that in the other side of the debate since I have already wrote it. But you seem to lack the curiosity to read and inform yourself.Science does not have answers for everything but it does not mean it will not have answer in the future. Just because there is a hole in the knowledge does not mean we have to fill it with superstition and morronic assumptions like a cavemen. Difference between humans today (well some of them) and cave people from 30 000 years ago, or even antique people from barely 2000 years ago is that we have much more knowedge about the nature around us, the universe and ourselves. We have it because we have applied rational and logic thinking about the unknowns which led to more knowledge, not because we blindly believed in fairy tails. If it wasn't so we would still be burning people who believe that Earth is rotating around the Sun! All you morronic "intelligent design" scientologists and similar idiots are achieving is putting your minds back in 13th century where people were burned because they dared to think logically and use science to explain the world instead of fairy tales told by analfabets from the past.According to your claims, energi/matter can not be created from nothing. So what did God created enerig/matter from? Out of nothing? Have you thought about it? Who crated God? If God exists somewhat/something had to create God, isn't it so? Why is it acceptable to you that universe can not exist eternally on its own, but God can?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

E = mc^2 means that matter and energy are interchangeable. Also many Physicists think that the total energy of the universe is 0, because the positive energy from matter, is counteracted by the negative energy from gravity.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I was quoting the law of thermodynamics. I am just playing some devil's advocate.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Ah okay, I was just pointing that argument doesn't work, if the universe is zero energy, then no matter is created.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

What?????? Zero energy? I am in astronomy and I have heard this once. I still dont understand it.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The energy would be zero, because gravitational energy is negative and it counteracts the positive energy ( light, matter and anti-matter).Stephen Hawking describes why Gravity is considered negative energy, I will put what he says below. "Two pieces of matter that are close to each other have less [positive] energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together".Since it takes positive energy to separate the two pieces of matter, gravity must be using negative energy to pull them together. Thus, "the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero."
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Ah I have seen that quote before too. I still am a bit puzzled. So how do we have energy at all now?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

One way to picture it could be to do with charge. An electron has a negative and a proton has a positive. However the overall charge is zero. The example Hawking gave in his programme was digging a hole. when you dig a hole you end up with a pile and a hole. n and u, if you put the pile n back into the hole u, then it levels out.I hope this helps you.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Ahh that majorly helps. So we have charge bit the overall energy count is truly 0. That makes sense.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Energy and charge are different, I just used charge as an example. I was just saying that positive and negative charge both exist, but they also cancel each other out, so the total charge is zero.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Cyclical theory is might be an interest to you, however it requires a large assumption that the Universe is without beginning or end.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

I agree, but then did god just appear one day in the middle of nothingness for no particular reason & just magic up a whole Universe complete with developed life forms in 7 days!?At least the Big Bang doesn't imply the Universe was created as we know it today in a ridiculously short time! & heard of evolution? Kinda makes more sense than a human just appearing!
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Who made god? Any argument you say can be applied to the universes creation.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Much of the energy is randomly lost with death. We cannot find a logical place for it to have gone. Also, the soul must go somewhere as it cannot have but dissapeared due to the laws of Thermodynamics.