azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

God gave us free will, and there would be no point to this act if he then took away that free will.But he also gave us a standard to live by.It is by this standard that you are aware of the wrongness of these acts. You cannot say you learned this standard, as all humans, throughout all time, have had this standard, even in cultures that had never crossed paths.You say that God is not real because the world is unjust. You cannot know if a line is slanted if you do not have a strait line to compare it to. This strait line was given to you by God.If you say that your sense of justice is something that you have only personally, then it is only what you personally feel and not justice at all. If this is true, then your idea that the world is unjust merely exists because it is not the way you personally fancy, and your argument vanishes, as it cannot be related to anyone but you. I recommend you read Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

It's irrelevant that other humans could intervene and don't, the fact that this "god" does not intervene shows that it's not any sort of "morally perfect" being.Even most ordinary humans want to intervene when they see evil -- they may be afraid to do so, or powerless to do so, but they generally see that as a shortcoming. So, what can be said about an omnipotent being that chooses to allow a woman to be raped, or an infant to die a slow, painful death of a wasting disease? Certainly not that it's "morally perfect".
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

"I would assume a morally perfect being is able to decide if murder/rape of a innocent being is wrong or right. And since god is morally perfect he/she is aware of the fact that these immoral acts are being committed." What makes a person innocent to you? Although these are morally wrong we each have our own choices to make. God gave us freewill to follow him, or not to follow him. The person who is raping or murdering is choosing to sin. Unfortunately no person is truly innocent when we are all sinners. "But murder, rape, abuse, etc. still take place without any intervention form a superior being." Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned" Why should God intervene in the choices of man's freewill? Do you not agree true love requires the choice to love or not? Job 36:5-15 "God is mighty, but he doesn’t hate people. He’s mighty, and he knows exactly what he’s going to do. 6 He doesn’t keep alive those who are evil. Instead, he gives suffering people their rights. 7 He watches over those who do what is right. He puts them on thrones as if they were kings. He honors them forever. 8 But some people are held by chains. They are tied up with painful ropes. 9 God tells them what they’ve done. He tells them they’ve become proud and sinned against him. 10 He makes them listen when he corrects them. He commands them to turn away from the evil things they’ve done. 11 If they obey him and serve him, they’ll enjoy a long and happy life. Things will go well with them. 12 But if they don’t listen to him, they’ll be killed with swords. They’ll die because they didn’t want to know anything about him. 13 Those whose hearts are ungodly are always angry. Even when God puts them in chains, they don’t cry out for help. 14 They die while they are still young. They die among the male prostitutes at the temples. 15 But God saves suffering people while they are suffering. He speaks to them while they are hurting."
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

"That is not what I am saying. The freewill applies to all people believers or not. God has set forth his law, it is up to the individual to obey them. God constantly tests our faith and love, we must not give up faith because of worldly pains."So, to test our faith he decides to give 9/11 rescuers cancer and see how they hold up? He decides that a kid will be molested by a priest to test that kid's faith? he decides that a loved one will die a tragic death to test our faith? I am sorry we are talking about a god or a insecure butthole."God punishes the sins of the father to the third generation. By this we are all born into sin. Plus, you can't tell me you have never broken a commandment. Whether you believe in God or not, He still expects you to follow his law."What makes him different form the devil again? And sir I am an Atheist, which means i have decided not to be an idiot and follow any religion."This is not true at all. He instilled in us the conscience to know what is right and what is wicked. But our minds are not that of a robot, we have free thought to choose what we want to do. The essence of true love is that of the choice to love or not. God gives us the choice to follow him or not. This shouldn't be that hard of a concept to understand."LOL so you either follow him or burn in hell forever, thats not really much of a choice. One loving god you got there."You can't blame God for the evil ways of man. For God's law is perfect and Holy. It is our own selfish pursuits that lead to the wickedness of this world. You talk of the planes crashing into the towers as the work of God. But this is not, for it is the work of those who worship a false god and do evil. The great reward is eternal, the punishment is death and seperation from God. Those who follow God in life will be rewarded in Heaven for eternity. Those who do not follow him will live in this world, but will be dead in the next forever."what makes you believe your god is any more true than another god?"You are wrong there. The Bible is the utmost authority of the world through God's law."you actually believ a ancint book, which is claimed to be the word of god, translated back and forth to many languages, and sold is not a scam but a credible source? Sir you are a fool, and a ignorant pinhead.You clearly don't understand the difference between debate and making groundless statements."I thought it was obvious I am quoting the Bible. And I did cite the book and chapter."Again Bible is nothing more than a story book to me.On a dfferent note, it seems you have been brainwashed. You clearly won't even look at the more than reasonable evidence that god doesn't exist, but would rather believe word of mouth over factual evidence. You believe that all religions but your are false. That faith is synonyms with being naive.If anything your behavior further displays just how dangerous religion can be, and how it can trap the human mind and make the person irrational. I truly hope you can gain some basic reasoning skills one day and realize that you are wrong.
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

"So, to test our faith he decides to give 9/11 rescuers cancer and see how they hold up? He decides that a kid will be molested by a priest to test that kid's faith? he decides that a loved one will die a tragic death to test our faith?" You are implying that God is intervening in all aspects of our life. This is not the case. You don't seem to be grasping the concept here. Through Adam, sin entered the world and the punishment is death. This does not mean when you sin you will just drop dead (figured I am going to have to explain in basic terms for you). But because of sin, all things will die. God isn't giving cancer to anyone. It's because of sin we are made vulnerable, and therefore are capable of getting sick and dying. What killed the rescuers (from cancer) was the chemical mixtures used in making the buildings. The "free will" of mad men brought the towers down. Don't blame God for the acts of men. "And sir I am an Atheist, which means i have decided not to be an idiot and follow any religion." Well you are an idiot too. Atheism is a religion as well. Refer to definitions 3 and 4 for the application. An Atheist "believes" that God doesn't exist. You have no way to prove or disprove him, you act on faith that there is no God in the universe. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist  "LOL so you either follow him or burn in hell forever, thats not really much of a choice. One loving god you got there." He is a loving God that's why we have a choice. "what makes you believe your god is any more true than another god?" Through his revealed word in scripture. The fact that so many events in the Bible are backed up with evidence, like the flood for instance. "Again (1) Bible is nothing more than a story book to me." Neither are prepositions (1) obviously. "On a dfferent note, it seems you have been brainwashed. You clearly won't even look at the more than reasonable evidence that god doesn't exist, but would rather believe word of mouth over factual evidence. You believe that all religions but your are false." It is not simply word of mouth. It is immense eyewitness testimonies, historical facts, and written word. What evidence do you have that He doesn't exist? Or do you simply act on faith that He isn't there? "Sir you are a fool, and a ignorant pinhead.You clearly don't understand the difference between debate and making groundless statements." It appears you are speaking of yourself there. As 99% of your rhetoric is unsubstantiated conjecture with not one single citation.
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

"People can't just shrug their shoulders when shitty things happen to innocent people and say it's not God's fault, especially if they try to give him any credit for the good things." This is by 'your' definition of innocent. In the Bible innocent, is being without sin. Romans 3:21 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," NKJV"He had complete knowledge of every effect that each of his actions would have, even thousands and thousands of years from the moment he created everything." Yes He absolutely does. This is why Jesus Christ was foretold to come even before the creation. 1 Peter 1:19-21 "but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God." "He didn't descend from the heavens and give them an injection of cancerous cells or whatever, but if he is the all-powerful and all-knowing creator, then he is most definitely responsible for any and everything that happens to his creation, good or bad." It was the sin of man that cursed the world. God created and said it was "very good". We introduced the bad, and in so doing subjected ourselves to disease, suffering, and death. Before Adam's sin there was no death in the world. When sin entered the world, the eternal body of man became fragile. Because of this the cells in our body mutate (cancer and other genetic deformations), and we became susceptible to different diseases, aging, and death. For you to blame God for the evil things of this world, is like blaming your mother for you misbehaving. "No, it isn't. Atheism is the rejection of your claim of a deity, and that's all." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist  Atheist"one who believes that there is no deity" It is a belief plain and simple. You have no testable way to prove that God exists or He doesn't. Therefore you believe (or have 'faith') that He does not exist. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion  Religion "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" Definition 4 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism  Atheism "the doctrine that there is no deity" Definition 2B http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctrine  Doctrine "a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : dogma" Definition 2B http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma  Dogma "a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds" Do you see how then that atheism is a religion. Did I connect enough dots for you? "But as it is, it would be more accurately described as 'the lack of belief in God' rather than 'the belief that there is no God'." Because you are an authority of the English language? Maybe you should submit your definition then to the Merriam Webster Dictionary so they can change it. What else should we change to make you right?
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

"It was the sin of man that cursed the world. God created and said it was "very good". We introduced the bad, and in so doing subjected ourselves to disease, suffering, and death. "If man created sin, and G-d created man...(do you see where I am going with this?)Also, that is a clever mix of definitions right there.saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that staying still is a form of transportation. After all:staying still is moving nowheremoving is a form of transportationtherefore staying still is a mode of transportation.Or, better yetG-d is in everythingeverything is somethingspaghetti is somethingtherefore G-d takes the form of spaghettiIsn't the principle of explosion fun to exploit?
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

"If man created sin, and G-d created man...(do you see where I am going with this?)" I do, you are trying to blame God for people not listening to Him (sin). "Also, that is a clever mix of definitions right there." It's not clever its the English definitions of the words. "staying still is moving nowhere" It's fun to see how your brain operates. "Isn't the principle of explosion fun to exploit?" Let's give it a try. You're a person. People can be stupid. You're a stupid person. Wow, that is fun. The difference here is mine served a purpose, and it was relevant to the discussion.
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

I don't think you fully understand what he is trying to say, Atheism is opposite of what religion is.Religion-Strict rules-Strict traditions-holy book for morality-limitations on what you can and can't do (so much for free will)-Must follow blindly without questioning -Followers are controlled with fear of eternal punishment, or punishment of some sort for thinking freelyAtheism-No Rules-You Make your own traditions, up to you.-Common sense and basic reasoning skills for morality.-Do w/e you want-Questioning is encouraged.-Atheism uses nothing to control anything, simply uses logic to help people understand the reality.That is what it is to me at least, I certainly don't speak for the atheist population.
Debate: is god true?
Side: yes, god is true

"Religion-Strict rules-Strict traditions-holy book for morality-limitations on what you can and can't do (so much for free will)-Must follow blindly without questioning -Followers are controlled with fear of eternal punishment, or punishment of some sort for thinking freely" The Protestant does not have any 'strict traditions' or follow blindly without question. In fact, the whole point of apologetics is to find answers. The Bible recognizes sin as an aspect of human nature. And 'free will' is the actions and thoughts we all take part, but it is our choice to enter a loving relationship with God. If you don't believe in God, but in fact you believe (you have no proof either way so you act on faith) that He doesn't exist, then you are exercising free will. As a follower you do fear God, it is this way so you stay humble as a person. Because for an atheist they believe there is no deity. So therefore they justify their immoral acts like abortion (murder of unborn child), drugs, stealing, murder, rape. All of these things would be just fine for an atheist to do. Because he has no rules. Our ethical principles as a society derive from religious doctrine. So if you abide by them, then in fact you do recognize the moral justification of God's law. "Atheism-No Rules-You Make your own traditions, up to you.-Common sense and basic reasoning skills for morality.-Do w/e you want-Questioning is encouraged.-Atheism uses nothing to control anything, simply uses logic to help people understand the reality." I have shown you that you do follow rules. Common sense is only 'common' if it's shared by a group of people. Therefore your perception of morality is based on religious law. If you could do whatever you want then steal a car. You can simply say "No, I would get arrested", or because you know it's wrong (religious law). If you have no problem stealing a car then you are amoral. Therefore lacking morals by society's definition (based on religious law). Questioning is encouraged in the Protestant view, it helps to increase your knowledge. I assume you are talking about evolution and origin theory when talking about 'reality'. And this refers to naturalism which is essentially matter and energy. Your logic of the origin of the universe is that nothing created something. Which we know by various laws of science is not the case for instance the law of cause and effect (all causes trace back to a first cause).
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

So therefore they justify their immoral acts like abortion (murder of unborn child), drugs, stealing, murder, rape. All of these things would be just fine for an atheist to do. Because he has no rules. Our ethical principles as a society derive from religious doctrine.Idiotic. Are all atheists indiscriminate rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and thieves? Are most of them all of these things? Are most of them any of these things, to a more extreme degree than the average religion person? Clearly not. In fact, there is a disproportionately low number of atheists in prison, and countries with more nonbelievers tend to have lower crime rates. Even if it is not a direct cause-effect, you still have your work cut out for you providing any data for this absurd claim.http://www.atheismresource.com/2010/atheist-dont-commit-as-much-crime-as-the-religious-do  Whether or not you believe that humans evolved, it is a fact that we have always been communal creatures. In order to survive in a community, its members have to develop a code of conduct that facilitates cooperation and group living. Usually, these revolve around not fucking with other peoples' shit. We see sets of morals in every single civilization throughout history, regardless of what God or gods they worship or if they worship a god at all. We also see rudimentary morals in community living animals like chimpanzees, again, mostly revolving around it being uncool to randomly kill your groupmates. Community members who are unable or unwilling to obey basic codes of conduct are not well integrated into the group; they do not reap the benefits of cooperative living, making them far less likely to survive and pass on their uncooperative genes, while their well-behaved relatives do get to do so. God or fear of punishment are not factors behind the development of morals, or the adherence to them. They stem from the simple facts that we are empathetic creatures, and there are usually negative consequences to treating other people badly. If the only thing keeping you from murdering and raping people is the fact that God said it's wrong and you'll be punished if you do it, then you have a problem. Nonbelievers who don't murder and rape don't abstain from it out of fear or because Daddy said so; they abstain from it because they have a modicum of compassion for fellow humans and are capable of placing themselves in someone else's situation. For the record, most believers are moral for the same reasons, compassion and empathy, so I am not sure why anyone would want to pretend it was due to an external force.
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

"The Protestant does not have any 'strict traditions' or follow blindly without question. " ...you are kidding right? " As a follower you do fear God, it is this way so you stay humble as a person. "So You are only a humble person because of fear, if you don't see whats wrong with that, then you are just foolish." So therefore they justify their immoral acts like abortion (murder of unborn child), drugs, stealing, murder, rape. All of these things would be just fine for an atheist to do. Because he has no rules. Our ethical principles as a society derive from religious doctrine."You could not be more wrong, you see any atheist running into a building blowing themselves up? you see any atheist molesting a child? (yes im talking about the priests). Now i believe you are confusing atheists with psychopaths but since you aren't educated i guess you don't know what that is. But here is how my ethics and morals work. IF somebody hits me, rapes me, steals from me then I don't feel too happy about it, therefore i know it is also wrong to do it to others i DO NOT need a book or a god scaring me into not doing something.As for abortion, It is only a human life after 12 weeks before that it is just a bunch of cells. It is like saying you want to save every sperm cell and every egg because it maybe a child one day. But again i don't know if you understand what i just said since you are clearly uneducated."I have shown you that you do follow rules. Common sense is only 'common' if it's shared by a group of people. Therefore your perception of morality is based on religious law. If you could do whatever you want then steal a car. You can simply say "No, I would get arrested", or because you know it's wrong (religious law). If you have no problem stealing a car then you are amoral. Therefore lacking morals by society's definition (based on religious law). "See above"Your logic of the origin of the universe is that nothing created something. Which we know by various laws of science is not the case for instance the law of cause and effect (all causes trace back to a first cause)."No sir i do not know what caused the big bang, but i certainly don't rely on fairy tales to answer that question. (And please don't put words in my mouth, i know it maybe hard for someone like you but try not to delude yourself)And this can back fire on you. If something can't be created from nothing, then who created your god?
Debate: is god true?
Side: no ,god is not true

It's not clever its the English definitions of the words.No, it is not clever- that was sarcasm. My point was that words can be manipulated.You're a person.People can be stupid.You're a stupid person.Wow, that is fun.The difference here is mine served a purpose, and it was relevant to the discussion.And yet my entire point was that you utilized a logical fallacy.allow me to line up both logical fallacies so you can make an attempt to distinguish the twoAtheists believe there is no G-dStaying still is moving nowhereReligion is a belief in somethingtransportation is movingtherefore, atheism is a religion- because they believe there is no G-dtherefore, staying still is transportation- because they move to no new locationif your logic was sound, then mine was too.and since I proved that G-d is nothing more than a bowl of pasta, we cannot both be trueit would seem that this technique of juggling definitions is nothing more than a logical fallacy, not a logical deduction.I do, however, appreciate that instead of making a case for the line of logic to be valid, you simply [tried to] insult me.My point, clean and simple, is that when you overextend definitions, you can prove anything to be true or false.Red is a colorblue is a color red is blue.red is light at a wavelength of 630–740nmblue is light at a wavelength of 440-490nmtherefore red is not bluethe statement "red is blue" is truethe statement "red is not blue" is truethe opposite of "red is blue" is "red is not blue"the opposite of true is falsetherefore true is false.