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Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

"Your misinterpreting what I'm saying. I am not talking about debt and Britain owing America money after WWI, I am talking about how after WWII the British Empire started going under and America softened the fall for them on the economic side of things."America could have softened the fall a lot better if they had joined WWI and WWII. Also your President Roosevelt disliked Winston Churchill and hated the British Empire."When I said it was not America's duty to maintain Britain's Empire I am not saying that the USA didn't do anything, I'm saying that blaming the British Empire's downfall on America for not getting involved enough and fighting their "fair share" (in a war America really had no place in and the only reason America got involved was because Woodrow Wilson was insane and corrupt) is almost like saying that is was America's job to maintain Britain's Empire."WWII had little to do with maintaining Britain's Empire. It was to stop the Nazi's taking over mainland Europe."And who wanted heavy reparations, sanctions against Germany and a demilitarization of Germany? Britain and France."I think you'll find it was just France. The British Prime Minister David Llyod George knew that Germany was a vital trading partner to Britain, so while he wanted to punish Germany, he didn't want to ruin it.*"WWII was one of the major causes of Britain's economic problems, these economic problems are what caused the British to give up their empire."True.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

America could have softened the fall a lot better if they had joined WWI and WWII. Also your President Roosevelt disliked Winston Churchill and hated the British Empire.America had no place in WWI, I personally think Woodrow Wilson was bribed to get involved (was similar to his nature) as for Roosevelt disliking Churchhill and the British I don't see how this really effects the situation, but whatever, maybe there is some hidden message in there.WWII had little to do with maintaining Britain's Empire. It was to stop the Nazi's taking over mainland Europe.1. I have already said this2. WWII is what caused Britain to lose its empire. Because of all the problems the war caused the British had to start pulling out all over the world. Just because the war was fought against Germany does not mean that Britain was unable to maintainer her empire due to the effects of this war. I think you'll find it was just France. The British Prime Minister David Llyod George knew that Germany was a vital trading partner to Britain, so while he wanted to punish Germany, he didn't want to ruin it.Britain still wanted to ruin Germany, France was obviously more concerned because they had a direct border with Germany, but Britain still did their fair share of punishing Germany for a war they didn't start.True.Thus referring back to my point about how it doesn't matter that WWII for Britian was about stopping the German advance, its caused the problems that caused the end of the empire.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

I agree with you on your other points, but this point I'm afraid I'll have to bring into question."Britain still wanted to ruin Germany, France was obviously more concerned because they had a direct border with Germany, but Britain still did their fair share of punishing Germany for a war they didn't start."The other members of the Axis alliance, Austria and Turkey, were heavily punished in other treaties. The punishments that Treaty of Versailles gave Germany were quite fair, which explains how they were so quick to recover and start WWII.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

The other members of the Axis alliance, Austria and Turkey, were heavily punished in other treaties. The punishments that Treaty of Versailles gave Germany were quite fair, which explains how they were so quick to recover and start WWII.Germany had to pay extremely large amounts of money in reparations, then later on down the road most of the countries they were paying the reparations to demanded more. Also, besides the money, the treaty also forced Germany to cut its military immensely and give up some of its land and other demands that crippled their economy, Germany did not start WWI, they were just the last man standing on the Axis side. Although later on Britain saw how badly this could turn out, in the beginning they still went along with it.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

"Germany had to pay extremely large amounts of money in reparations,"2% of their GNP isn't an "extremely large amount"."then later on down the road most of the countries they were paying the reparations to demanded more."Actually, Germany just stopped paying and France and Britain didn't do anything about it because they felt they were too harsh at Versailles."Also, besides the money, the treaty also forced Germany to cut its military immensely and give up some of its land and other demands that crippled their economy,"The German invasion of France in WWI had completely ruined most of the infrastructure and waste a large amount of land, you cannot blame the French for wanting to make sure that there neighbouring enemy (who had also invaded France less than 50 years before) was in no state to attack them again."Germany did not start WWI, they were just the last man standing on the Axis side."If Hitler had gone all expansionist, then WWII wouldn't have happened. End of."Although later on Britain saw how badly this could turn out, in the beginning they still went along with it."You mean they went along with Woodrow Wilson.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

america only joined in in the last five minutes of WW2 and thats only because japan attacked america otherwise they wouldnt have bothered we owe more thanks to the soviet union who really saved britain and if it wasnt for america hitler would have never had the weapons he did because america got out of the great depression by arming nazi germany
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

america only joined in in the last five minutes of WW2 and thats only because japan attacked america otherwise they wouldnt have bothered we owe more thanks to the soviet union who really saved britainAmerica saved Britain from the ECONOMIC not MILITARY disasters of the time.and if it wasnt for america hitler would have never had the weapons he did because america got out of the great depression by arming nazi germanyWWII and the defense spending didn't get America out of the depression. America was emerging as a super power and at the same time the war was tearing most industrial nations apart. So America was given a great opportunity and became even more powerful.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

An empire that America has now !
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

Name a single one of your colonies. Oh wait, there aren't any!
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

this debate is an open playing field. It is not specifically about their current military power or solely about who conquered more land, you are allowed to use any criteria to make a judgement.Yeah lets not talk about military power guys. So far, the united states has spent 711 billion dollars on military in 2012, the U.K. has spent 62 billion. That is pretty much what goes on every year, the U.S. spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined on military. So that makes sense that you wouldn't want to talk about our awesome military power. But that's how it is, the United States owns this planet. Get use to it because it's not going to change anytime soon. America has the military power to destroy the U.K. 100 times over. If we so choose, we could literally enslave that little backwards island.As far as "who conquered more land"? In the modern world, no one uses this standard anymore. The times of the Romans and Mongols are over, guy. If fact, the measure of people conquered is now a measure of how backwards a nation is. For instance, no one was impressed when Hussian gassed the kurds, people just thought he was a monster. In modern civilized nations, conquering others doesn't make you cool, it makes you hated. Just look at the blowback from the U.S. invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. It hasn't help us one bit that we "conquered" those nations.Funny that you start a new debate here when you haven't responded to the arguments made against you in the 'Canada: queen Elizabeth's bitch' thread.http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Canada_Queen_Elizabeth_s_bitch_3#arg292064  What, you don't want to talk about British India? I wonder why that is?
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

"Yeah lets not talk about military power guys. So far, the united states has spent 711 billion dollars on military in 2012, the U.K. has spent 62 billion. That is pretty much what goes on every year, the U.S. spends almost as much as the rest of the world combined on military. So that makes sense that you wouldn't want to talk about our awesome military power. "Hooray, for America and there awesome military power!Now tell me how many wars you've won on your own."But that's how it is, the United States owns this planet. Get use to it because it's not going to change anytime soon. America has the military power to destroy the U.K. 100 times over. If we so choose, we could literally enslave that little backwards island."Someone here has no concept of global politics. America has never owned the planet the same way Britain owned the planet. Most of you barely know geography outside your own borders. You claim that "it's not going to change anytime soon" but it already has changed. China is probably more powerful than America now, maybe even Japan."As far as "who conquered more land"? In the modern world, no one uses this standard anymore. The times of the Romans and Mongols are over, guy. "You're only saying this because America has never conquered any land. The fact that Britain conquered a 1/4 of the world's land mass shows their extensive influence and the reach of the English language and culture. To disregard any reference to colonial times when judging how great a nation is, is the height of idiocy.Of course, America only has 200 years of history, compared to Britain's 2000, so it's understandable that you wouldn't want to talk about the past."If fact, the measure of people conquered is now a measure of how backwards a nation is."Nope, history is history. I think you'll find with the globalisation of the planet and a universal aim for world peace, the size of a nation's military is a key factor in how backwards it is."For instance, no one was impressed when Hussian gassed the kurds, people just thought he was a monster."The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a monstrous act too."In modern civilized nations, conquering others doesn't make you cool, it makes you hated. Just look at the blowback from the U.S. invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. It hasn't help us one bit that we "conquered" those nations."That's because when the U.S 'conquers' land they wreck it to pieces. When the British Empire conquered land, they did it because they wanted to expand their interests and ended up developing the land. While the inhabitants didn't benefit immediately they certainly benefited in the long run. "Funny that you start a new debate here when you haven't responded to the arguments made against you in the 'Canada: queen Elizabeth's bitch' thread.http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/  Canada_Queen_Elizabeth_s_bitch_3#arg292064 What, you don't want to talk about British India? I wonder why that is?"Oh, sorry, it hadn't shown up in my argument activity.I'll meet you right there.Oh, hold on. "No such debate exists".Did you delete your debate because I was winning?
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

Hahaha. No one here thinks you were winning, just look at the points. And no, I didn't delete it, it's still right there making you look stupid. Try copy pasting the entire link.I'll get back to this in a little bit. Don't think you got away with all the retarded arguments above, I'll get to them.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

"Hahaha. No one here thinks you were winning, just look at the points. "Sorry, I've been busy the last few days. Don't worry I'll get back to thrashing you all. Also the points mean very little in this debate now, because some idiots have gone round up-vote spamming. If you look at the arguments you'll find Britain is winning."And no, I didn't delete it, it's still right there making you look stupid. Try copy pasting the entire link."XD, sorry about that. I think you'll find I did manage to get back to your Canada debate again."I'll get back to this in a little bit. Don't think you got away with all the retarded arguments above, I'll get to them."We've all got a lot of work to do, sorting out 'retarded arguments'.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

No one here thinks you were winning, just look at the points.I can say the same thing right back at you.Don't think you got away with all the retarded arguments above, I'll get to them.(yawn)
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

Hooray, for America and there awesome military powerI'm glad you recognize our superior military power. Hooray is right, you probably wouldn't be alive without the American military. Now tell me how many wars you've won on your own.This isn't 20 questions nor is it history class. Look up your own information and make arguments based on the information you have. Someone here has no concept of global politics. America has never owned the planet the same way Britain owned the planet. Most of you barely know geography outside your own borders. You claim that "it's not going to change anytime soon" but it already has changed. China is probably more powerful than America now, maybe even Japan.This isn't the America vs. China debate or the America vs. Japan debate. You created a debate called "America vs Britain". The United States absolutely owns this planet. We go into any nation we want and we call it whatever suits us: war, police action, occupation. No nation equals our military might. We are the lone superpower. You're only saying this because America has never conquered any land.We took 13 colonies of the best land on earth from your shitty little island. Of course, America only has 200 years of history, compared to Britain's 2000, so it's understandable that you wouldn't want to talk about the past.I'm quite proud that my nation is not thousands of years old. I'm glad that we are a new nation that doesn't believe in barbaric notions of the past like royal bloodlines and kings and queens. I'm glad we are founded on modern concepts like democracy and human equality. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a monstrous act too.I agree, we are monsters. That means don't fuck with us. While the inhabitants didn't benefit immediately they certainly benefited in the long run. Your beliefs are absolutely disgusting. Slavery, indentured servitude, imperialism, murder, rape: this is what you are defending. If I build you some infrastructure can I enslave you, rape your wife, and steal your home? Is that a fair trade?
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

I assume the 13 Cololies your talking about is the American Revolution which America only won with help from the French and Spanish, as for slavery America was built on slavery, Britain banned slavery long before America so saying its a country founded on human equality is bullshit its a country built on slavery and the murder and subjugation of its native people
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

One long sentence ^Most wars are won with the help of allies, Britain was also built on slavery, and our declaration clearly states,"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.There was some debate about this and we ended up fighting a civil war over it, but our nation certainly was founded on equality. Although, at that time, they weren't talking about racial equality as much all bloodlines being equal and no one being special and worthy of royalty. This is a concept that you brits still do not understand. The rest of the world knows that no bloodline is special, but your little island is still in the dark ages.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

The Civil War was about States Rights not Slavery the banning of Slavery was just one of the outcomes of the war. The declaration can say what it likes but if one colour of person or race is treated better than another then it's all just Bullshit. You say Britain is in the Dark Ages because it still has a Royal family but their a good money spinner the majority of money brought into Britain from tourism is because of the Royal family and a lot of this money comes from Americans and how can a country which has free healthcare for all, freedom of speech and freedom of religion be thought of as living in the Dark Ages?
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

The Civil War was about States Rights not SlaveryYou obviously don't know what you're talking about. What state right was being disputed? Was it the right to own another human being? Yeah, it was. The declaration can say what it likes but if one colour of person or race is treated better than another then it's all just Bullshit.The citizens of the north believed that all men are created equal, regardless of race. And Yes, we had to put down a revolt of lazy, racist, morons due to our firm belief in human equality. how can a country which has free healthcare for all, freedom of speech and freedom of religion be thought of as living in the Dark Ages?On the issue of king and queens and superior bloodlines, your little island is one of the most backward places on earth. Why are you such sheep by the way? Are you always going to be peasants? Don't you think it's time to stand up for yourselves, stop being subjects of the crown, and just be full on human beings, individuals that are born equal to all other human beings? When are you crazy people going to stop worshiping this one stuck up family and pretending that they're better than everyone? Don't you have any esteem for your own family and bloodline? How many millennia have we been doing this shit? It's just so primitive.
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: Britain

You honestly believe that the Citizens of the North were anti slavery and this was the only cause of the Civil War, you are the one who does'nt know what he's talking about, there were many people in the North who believed that Blacks were inferior to Whites and were pro slavery, at the same time in the South there were many people who were anti slavery and Blacks (Slaves and Free Men) served in the Confederate Army alongside Whites unlike the segregated Union Army. Also when land in the South fell into Union hands many "free" Blacks were often expected to work longer and harder than they were when they were Slave's.Slavery was one of the issues concerning the Civil War but at the time it was one of the minor issues, the issue of States Rights was mainly that the South did not want to be part of the United States Of America, they wanted to govern themselves with the money earned from the industries in the South being used to run the South instead of their taxes going to Washington, it was felt that Washington was too far away for anyone to understand what was happening in the South, in short they wanted to be self sufficient.You say that in America all people are equal because it says so in the constitution so why is it that more Blacks live in poverty than Whites and the Native American has never been treated equally, shuffled off to live on "bad land" whilst the new Americans kept the good land for themselves, until all people in America are truly treated equally the declaration will be Bullshit.Britain one of the most backward places on earth, I assume that was meant to be a joke, tell me what happens in America when someone with no health insurance or money is ill can they just go to the doctor or hospital to get treatment? On this backwards little island we have free health care for all and that is not just the British but people visiting the country as well, so if any American tourist hurts themslves whilst coming here because they love the Royal family (dont deny it I have met many Americans that think the Royal Family is awesome) they can get free healthcare!!! We also have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, I know your constitution says you also have freedom of speech and religion but think long and hard about American history, the wording of the Pledge Of Allegiance and what is printed on the Dollar Bill and tell me do you really have this?
Debate: America vs Britain
Side: America

Britain one of the most backward places on earth, I assume that was meant to be a joke, tell me what happens in America when someone with no health insurance or money is ill can they just go to the doctor or hospital to get treatment? Yes they absolutely can. Why would you think otherwise? It's called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 passed by our congress. This act guarantees medical "treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act Do you see how completely uninformed you are. Do you just believe whatever is fed to you? Must be that peasant mindset you have. In civilized nations we like to use facts and evidence. You say that in America all people are equal because it says so in the constitution so why is it that more Blacks live in poverty than Whites and the Native American has never been treated equally, shuffled off to live on "bad land" whilst the new Americans kept the good land for themselves, until all people in America are truly treated equally the declaration will be Bullshit. That sucks that you are having trouble with your reading comprehension. I never even mentioned the constitution at all, I mentioned the declaration of independence, and neither document guarantees income equality. It states that all men are created equal, not that all men are equal.Also when land in the South fell into Union hands many "free" Blacks were often expected to work longer and harder than they were when they were Slave's.I'm sorry you are so backwards.... I really am. The issue is freedom, not how hard you work. Hard word is not the worst thing that could happen to you, slavery actually is. In the U.S. we value our personal liberty, something you can't understand because you are sheep. I don't care if I was breaking rocks for 20 hours a day, that would be preferable to being someones property. (Probably not for you though because you are use to being the queens property)Slavery was one of the issues concerning the Civil War but at the time it was one of the minor issues, This statement shows exactly how uninformed you are. Allow me to help you out since you are so ignorant on the subject. Here's a quote from wiki, "Slavery was the central source of escalating political tension in the 1850s. The Republican Party was determined to prevent any spread of slavery, and many Southern leaders had threatened secession if the Republican candidate, Lincoln, won the 1860 election. Following Lincoln's victory, many Southern whites felt that disunion had become their only option."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_(United_States)#Causes_of_secession So those are the facts. Learn them. I can't help but notice your complete lack of supporting evidence for anything you've said. The "it was about states rights" argument is consistently used by racist southerners to justify slavery. It make sense that you would fall in line with them because you are from such a primitive, backwards culture.