azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

Awww...are you still sore that I pointed out your ignorance on climate change?Shouldn't you be off trying to save a polar bear as opposed to "wasting the world's energy reserves" debating with somebody you obviously hold in contempt?I know, and what you posted wasn't really rap.More Hip-Hop, yes, but you clearly lack a sense of humour, so I shall forgive you for becoming irate.No, the problem is that you refuse to listen to any opinions that may differ from your own.That is why I do not object to being called a bigot.I give you four examples of very good artists as opposed to some random guy in his basementGood artists in your opinion. They do not count as evidence, as their artistic worth is debatable. and the most you can do is claim it's just some guy talking over a drumbeat.Which it was.If you actually understood rap, and its African origins then you would understand that the genre was initially used as a means of telling stories.You should no that I despair of anything African.It's current incarnation (the one we now think of when we hear rap) is a blend of this style and the blues/jazz that came about in the American south over the past 100 years or so.Irrelevant information.But lets say you don't like the style...Yes, let's.that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to appreciate the lyrics, which, if you remember was my main point about rap and my main reason for listening to the genre. I only appreciate lyrics if I consider them to be good. You seem to be under the illusion that negative opinions are not suitable responses, whereas positive opinions (your own) are. If you could move past your prejudices,[Laughs.]you would realize how lyrically talented the artists I posted really are...instead, you chose to take the low road.[Continues laughing.]The enjoyment of music is a subjective experience, to be sure, so there is no way to argue someone into liking a genre, artist or particular song.Then why is the basis of your argument a subjective opinion of the lyrics?What I can do though is point out that the less subjective part of this music, the words themselves (the most important part of a rap song) are as good as any (and better than the majority of) artists in the history of modern music.That, too, is your own opinion, and not evidential in any way.You see the difference between you and me is that if our positions were reversed I would at least give whatever genre you wanted to present to me a chanceWhy do you assume that this debate is the first instance in which I have heard or discussed rap music?before writing off the whole thing.Again, It was written off some time ago.You on the other hand choose (once again) to be a closed minded snobAnd you accuse me of refusing to acknowledge other opinions? who wishes only to bask in his own closed off world hearing his own opinions repeated to him, protected from reality lest it disturb his fragile worldview.You, sir, know very little about me. Do presume to know my character in its entirety.Grow up.If growing up consists of becoming in any way like you, then I shall refrain from doing so.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

Short and distilled for your pleasure.First:You've convinced me, New York is a very well written song with meanings that are beyond superficial. I did about a poor a job interpreting that as you did with "Dumb it Down."2nd: The first fact does nothing to diminish how well written "Dumb it Down is"3rdFunny you should criticize "Dumb it Down" for being based on culture when "New York" does the same.4thIf you are bigoted against blacks and black culture then I guess there is nothing I can say that will convince you that good music can be produced from these people.5thWhile the lyrics of many rappers are meaningless, I don't use this as an excuse to throw out the whole genre. Were this the case then there would likely be few genres I could listen to.6thFree-styling is when someone plays a beat and someone raps to it without anything written down beforehand. It's like improv, but with rap.7thI laughed when you said that "All Along the Watchtower" was your first choice. At least we have some common ground.8thI enjoy the music of other cultures, even if I don't fully understand them. I've listened to cuban hip-hop, Mexican rock, french techno and a million other things that I enjoy. If we isolate ourselves within our own culture then things can get boring. I try not to be so arrogant as to assume that my own culture is the best.If I missed any important points that you wanted me to address just bring them up in your response to this.Also, send me a link to your debate with maholinder if you don't mind. I'd be happy to see your scientific arguments against global warming.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

You've convinced me, New York is a very well written song with meanings that are beyond superficial. I did about a poor a job interpreting that as you did with "Dumb it Down."I am glad we are in agreement.The first fact does nothing to diminish how well written "Dumb it Down is"Then we shall, as they say agree to disagree.Funny you should criticize "Dumb it Down" for being based on culture when "New York" does the same.It was a subjective criticism.If you are bigoted against blacks and black culture then I guess there is nothing I can say that will convince you that good music can be produced from these people.Not entirely true. See my response to point 7.While the lyrics of many rappers are meaningless, I don't use this as an excuse to throw out the whole genre. Were this the case then there would likely be few genres I could listen to.True.Free-styling is when someone plays a beat and someone raps to it without anything written down beforehand. It's like improv, but with rap.I see.I laughed when you said that "All Along the Watchtower" was your first choice. At least we have some common ground.So let us stop talking falsely now.I enjoy the music of other cultures, even if I don't fully understand them.As do I, but I can scarcely think of ghetto culture without abhorrence. I've listened to cuban hip-hop, Mexican rock, french techno and a million other things that I enjoy.I know little of these things, though I have heard Maleguena Salerosa.If we isolate ourselves within our own culture then things can get boring.Not with a culture so wonderful as England's.I try not to be so arrogant as to assume that my own culture is the best.Part of English culture is to assume so. Thus I will not apologise.Also, send me a link to your debate with maholinder if you don't mind. I'd be happy to see your scientific arguments against global warming.It is here. On the right side, beginning just before the first video on the left side. I have since learned that mahollinder is a... formidable opponent.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

Actually Thursdays are my save the dolphins vegan cupcake sale. Polar bears are every other tuesday.Pitiful.No one (who wasn't dropped as a child) would argue that Nickelback are better artists than The Beatles.Ever heard the word "generalization"?There are obviously cultural differences that can contribute to our appreciation of music, but since we both speak English and both live in western modern democracies (you are from the U.K. right?) then our cultural differences shouldn't be too great.Ha! And that's minor compared to all the differences!I'm fearlessNow hear thisI'm earlessAnd I'm peer-lessThat means I'm eyelessWhich means I'm tearlessWhich means my iris resides where my ears isWhich means I'm blindedBut I'mma find it I can feel it's nearnessBut I'mma veer so I don't come nearLike a chicken or a deerBut I remember I'm not a listener or a seer so my windshield smearHere, you steer, I really shouldn't be behind this, clearly cause my blindnessThe windshield is minstrel, the whole grill is roadkill, so trill and so sincere. Yeah, I'm both them thereTook both pills, when a bloke in a trench coat and the locs in the chair had approached him hereAnd he clear as a ghost, so a biter of the throats in the mirrorThe writer of the quotes for the ghosts who supplier of the notes to the livingRiveting is rosy, pockets full of posies, given to the mother of the deceased. Awaken at war, 'til I'm restin' in peace That was so horrendous that my mind's eye (ear?) couldn't stand to get through the whole thing.Like a good movie, the complexity of the rhymes are such that I needed to listen to the song a number of times to fully understand it.But I'mma find it I can feel it's nearnessBut I'mma veer so I don't come nearYup, that sure is complex! [sarcasm]
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

I've addressed all this in my response to enigmaticman's post. Please go to my most recent one.Just because you don't understand what the lyrics mean doesn't mean they aren't complex...it means you're either close minded, or thick (or both). Once again refer to my most recent response to enigmaticman if you want to know why I described these lyrics as complex. Unlike you, he at least tried to understand what the meaning of the lyrics was. Who knows? You may even learn something about good music.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

I've addressed all this in my response to enigmaticman's post.And I read most of it. However, I wanted to make note of your generalization - you being so against them and all - that, not wanting to only dispute one section, I chose to dispute other parts.Just because you don't understand what the lyrics meanSo you are saying that the only way in which one cannot like the lyrics is to not understand them? I read EnigmaticMan's dispute, and agreed with it for the most part. I just don't like rap, regardless of the meaning.it means you're either close minded, or thick (or both).I've heard rap before. There was even a tune or two which I thought of as "catchy". I daren't venture any further, though; the overall quality is heinous to say the least.unlike you, he at least tried to understand what the meaning of the lyrics was.Perhaps I did try, but simply not in writing on this site?You may even learn something about good music.Define "good".
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

You seriously need to buy a dictionary/actually pay attention to my arguments. I didn't generalize anyone, except maybe people who think Nickelback is better than the Beatles. These people need a fork stabbed in their ear. There I said it, so sue me. I'm not sure how this counts as a generalization since I'm not actually sure there are any people who hold the opinion that the Beatles were less talented than Nickelback. There are certainly people who would rather listen to Nickelback, but this isn't what I was saying (try to keep up).So you are saying that the only way in which one cannot like the lyrics is to not understand them? I read EnigmaticMan's dispute, and agreed with it for the most part. I just don't like rap, regardless of the meaning.No, my point was that you Terminator, don't understand the lyrics. Not people in general, not people who like this or that music, but you. Go ahead an prove me wrong if you want.I also don't care one way or another if you like to listen to the music. Like I said to enigmaticman, I don't like classical music but Beethoven was clearly a very good artist, and I am not going to take that away from him just because I don't like to listen to his songs.I've heard rap before. There was even a tune or two which I thought of as "catchy". I daren't venture any further, though; the overall quality is heinous to say the least.As I've had to explain a hundred times in this debate, I don't care about "catchy" tunes. For all that it matters to this argument they could have been throat-singing while scraping their nails on the chalkboard. I was arguing about the lyrics, not the way in which they are delivered.As far as the majority of the genre in this respect, you may have a point if you are talking about the stuff on the radio. That's why I provided good examples of rap, and didn't just say rap in general.Perhaps I did try, but simply not in writing on this site?Or perhaps you didn't? Why do you phrase it as a question. You know whether you did or didn't and if you did and I was wrong then show me...or even easier, look at my interpretation (since I already agree with it) and argue either a) why you think I'm wrong about this interpretation or b) why I'm right, but the song still sucks. This is pretty straightforward...I've already done all the work, and if you continue along your current trend so has enigmaticman since you're just going to repeat whatever he said.Define "good".Well we're talking about lyrics, so meaningful would be a good word to use. And I mean that in multiple ways.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

Ughhhh...I'm not getting into another argument about liberals with you. I give up, you are beyond reasoning with.Congrats on finding the only people on earth who think Nickelback are better than the Beatles. I may have taken their position more seriously though if they spelled Nickelback right.I've already argued with EnigmaticMan, I don't plan on doing it twice. If you have any original opinions present them. Otherwise don't waste my time.Rap is becoming common to use as background noise in film...Sorry if I don't consider you knowledgeable because you heard it in a couple movies.Definition of "song"Semantics...you know what I meant. Is that not what rap is?Here is throat-singing. I actually saw a pretty cool documentary about it. I'm still of the opinion that it sounds awful though.But that makes a world of difference...And I like the way that they are delivered...love it in fact. My only point was that since we obviously aren't going to agree on that, we should concentrate on something that is less reliant on subjective musical tastes.Then why doesn't the radio play better songs?Ask the people who own the radio stations. A lot of time popular opinion of songs is pretty bad. People don't always want to listen to music with intellectual meanings, but would rather hear someone talking about their gold studded teeth.Ice THe was pretty good back in the day. No one of my favorites though.If you are interested in listening to a couple rap songs I consider good, I also posted Get By by Talib Kweli. Or don't if you don't want to.I did. I liked it, somewhat; however, EnigmaticMan had a terrific response to your interpretation.Once again, get an original opinion about the song, or my interpretation of it and we can talk.The most meaningful lyrics, if badly written, are of little value.Fortunately "Dumb it Down" is written amazingly well.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

and to prove that not all rappers fall into the media stereotype you hear on the radio (and because Lupe is such a great artist):I'm actually fairly certain that this does fall into the media stereotype of rap. It is simply a black man talking to a repetitive drumbeat.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

I think you misinterpreted what I meant by media stereotype.I was talking not about the style of music, but the content. In the media rap is often portrayed as womanizing, violent and unintelligent. I was giving examples of rappers whose lyrics do not fall into this category. Lupe's song actually is criticizing those rappers who make music that is misogynistic and unintelligent.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

I think you misinterpreted what I meant by media stereotype.Well, then my interpretation of media stereotype is better.I was talking not about the style of music, but the content.As am I.In the media rap is often portrayed as womanizing, violent and unintelligent.Honestly, that was very unintelligent. I could barely understand the lyrics, and furthermore, I did catch multiple swear words (which undoubtedly fits the media stereotype of rap).Lupe's song actually is criticizing those rappers who make music that is misogynistic and unintelligent.Well congratulations to Lupe! Unfortunately, I could not understand half of what he said, so in actuality, it was rather pointless.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

Well, then my interpretation of media stereotype is better.Your interpretation of what I said is better than my own...okay, sure.As am I.Black rapper, and drumbeat...real deep analysis.Honestly, that was very unintelligent. I could barely understand the lyrics, and furthermore, I did catch multiple swear words (which undoubtedly fits the media stereotype of rap).If you want the lyrics, here they are.The swearing you heard was satirical. Lupe wasn't the one swearing, but instead it was another rapper who was supposed to represent mainstream rap.If you actually tried to understand the song next time then maybe I wouldn't have to sit you down like a child and explain it to you.Well congratulations to Lupe! Unfortunately, I could not understand half of what he said, so in actuality, it was rather pointless.Maybe he should make it into a sing-a-long with the words at the bottom and a bouncing ball. Would you understand it then? Probably not? Well, I don't know if I can help you there.Out of curiosity what type of music do you like?
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

Your interpretation of what I said is better than my own...okay, sure.No, you did not invent the media stereotype.Black rapper, and drumbeat...real deep analysis.Is there something more profound in rap than I am missing?Maybe he should make it into a sing-a-long with the words at the bottom and a bouncing ball. Would you understand it then? Probably not? Well, I don't know if I can help you there.Yes, maybe he should. I'm sure it would be much more popular. It doesn't matter. Everything loses its authenticity when misheard.Out of curiosity what type of music do you like?Why do you need to know this?
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

No, you did not invent the media stereotype.Of course not, but I had something very specific in mind when I said media stereotype.Is there something more profound in rap than I am missing?There is in the song I was referring to, and numerous other songs. I'd be happy to give some examples and explain why there is more.Also there are plenty of good rappers who aren't black... you are aware of this right?Yes, maybe he should. I'm sure it would be much more popular. It doesn't matter. Everything loses its authenticity when misheard.Most people who listen to his music don't mishear what he said. It's not difficult to understand if you try and listen a little.If you go into a song expecting to dislike it, then probably you won't hear the lyrics right.Why do you need to know this?I don't, just curious. If you're not comfortable telling me then no worries.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

Of course not, but I had something very specific in mind when I said media stereotype.Care to elaborate?There is in the song I was referring to, and numerous other songs. I'd be happy to give some examples and explain why there is more.I'm astounded. Please do!Also there are plenty of good rappers who aren't black... you are aware of this right?You are nearly as bad as Qymosabi. Most people who listen to his music don't mishear what he said. It's not difficult to understand if you try and listen a little.Are you attempting to claim that black people have better auditory skills than I?If you go into a song expecting to dislike it, then probably you won't hear the lyrics right.An innuendo that is merely irrelevant.I don't, just curious. If you're not comfortable telling me then no worries.I am extremely uncomfortable telling you this. In fact, I feel a rash coming on already!
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

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Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

Oh come on, I know your smarter than that.We cannot mistake the worst iteration for the entirety of that thing. He didn't even post the video of a real rapper, just some kid in his basement.Please read my response to him to get some examples of what I was talking about.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

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Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

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Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

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Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

You criticize rap music, but I'm guessing that you know little about the genre. In my own opinion, the good rappers of the past couple years are some of the best lyricists in all of music. Music has gotten a lot better since 200 years ago, not worse.And your opinion differs vastly from my own.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

But I would argue that we would both come toward the center if we understood each others music. My point was that you aren't in a position to comment on rap because you know nothing about the genre other than maybe its portrayal as a mindless and womanizing genre in the media.There are rappers out there who are extremely talented...unfortunately these are not the ones that are often played on the radio so people like you (and others in this debate) assume that they don't exist.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: yes

In my own opinion, the good rappers of the past couple years are some of the best lyricists in all of music. Music has gotten a lot better since 200 years ago, not worse.Rappers have a very unfortunate problem. They generally have little intelligence and seem to think that because people listen to their songs regularly, they should be treated like royalty. This simpl should not be the case. The act of glorifying rappers has gone much too far, if you ask me. These guys are nothing more than a bunch of class A dummies. Also, when I listen to music, I prefer to be able to understand the lyrics.
Debate: Modern music is contributing to the downfall of society.
Side: No

Not familiar with it.Now you are.No, not any; however, most is detrimental.Those sentiments were no doubt echoed by past generations. From what I see, however, we are swiftly rising from a cesspit of repression and decay.Disco was, whilst I still rather dislike it, far superior to that rap crap.Thus your personal feelings for the music are not grounds for its detrimental effect (though I do agree with you). Is Rock 'n' Roll not still alive?It is, no thanks to the people who's opinions of it were not dissimilar to yours of rap.Great music; however, my predilections have always been centred on the pop music of the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.Which would explain your conservative opinion of new music. However, if all evolution was fought so bitterly as "R'n'B", then there would be no Rock 'n' Roll.Not entirely true.From about 1800-1900 the music was nearly all in a similar style. Again, there was similar style from about 1650-1800.Nearly all music before then is now lost; however, the evolution was not quite so drastic as has it been in the past half-century.Whether it was drastic or not, it was.