Debate: DO YOU SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMAS DECISION TO BUILD A MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO
Side: No

Wow! Seriously aveskde, you are not exactly talking to your prototypical christian here, not even close. I debate the history of the bible a lot and i enjoy the scientific view of deep subjects.Just when the science threatens your conclusion (Christianity) you reach for pseudoscience (Intelligent Design Creationism). Most Christians do this.So i like to read and watch dvds on the cases for and against evolution, intelligent design, etc.There are no cases to be made against evolution. When you watch a video or read a book with a title that brings up the cases for and against evolution, what you are doing is looking for propaganda disguised and reasonable dialogue.There has been over 150 years of research put into this theory, and it has not been falsified. It is an example of legitimate science.I side with intelligent design because of the scientific arguments, not a single shred of religion enters into it.Intelligent design is a rebranding of biblical creationism that replaces all references to god with "intelligent designer" and uses heavy jargon to disguise old creationist arguments like "what good is half a wing?"It exists because creationism is overtly religious and cannot be taught in schools. Christians want creationism and prayer in schools because they enjoyed that privilege for over a century, until secular authorities correctly called it out as a violation of secular government if public schools teach religion. They need these things taught in schools because a secular education naturally causes a child to question his beliefs and gain a more rational mindset, which of course undermines religious dogma.Once creationism was banned from schools ID was created as an attempt at undermining science that could sneak under the separation of church and state. However since it isn't science but a deliberate attempt to attack evolution, and because its proponents are thinly disguised religious fundamentalists, the link was revealed in a court.For you to say something like 'It has been settled by the scientific community' is a total joke to me. I've let a few of my non religious friends watch some intelligent design dvds and they have all admitted that they make some strong points (even if they still don't believe it completely).I don't care what your friends think. They are not experts, and they are not biologists.To hear statements about the 'scientific community' settling this issue only leaves me with the impression that there is politics in popular science (politically correct science).Science is a human affair, and so it cannot help but have politics, however unlike most fields it has strict codes of academic integrity and a zero tolerance policy towards forgery.The simple fact is that Intelligent Design is a thinly veiled attack at evolution with no actual substance behind it. You can take an expert biologist and show him an ID video and do you know what he'll say?"They made a straw man of how evolution works and attacked it!""No the precambrian radiation did not happen as quickly as that, it wasn't a sudden explosion of life but took millions of years, besides the fact that precambrian fossils are rare because they were invertibrate and that doesn't preserve well, thus giving the appearance of an explosion of fossils.""No, complex systems are explicable because they may serve different purposes along the way of their evolution.""Complexity doesn't require a designer.""Evolution isn't random chance.""There actually are transitional fossils AND we have DNA sequences that affirm those fossils.""God did it isn't an explanation for how something was done, it's a question answering a question."And so on.http://www.talkdesign.org/cs/http://www.talkdesign.org/cs/taxonomy_menu/2/5 http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html There has not been a shred of religion talk in my ID material.Learn to read between the lines. If they are attacking evolution and secular science and keep making reference to intelligent designers, they clearly mean god.On top of that there are anti-evolution scientists out there who not only publish books about their problems with evolution but these people also HATE religion lol.You know, I think you're just so desperate to believe in god that you'll buy the cover story of people who say things like "I'm not religious but evolution means we're just products of random chance."Please stop being so gullible. You're being played.I mean come on dude, i don't need someone in create debate website to argue with me that ID has no scientific merit when i have personally witnessed quite a few non-religious people who were pretty damn impressed with ID arguementsDo you really not see the error in your reasoning here? Ignorant people can be impressed with something and it doesn't have to be scientific. Why do you think cold fusion and free energy impress all sorts of people? There is no science behind them but people still are impressed.