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Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

On a macro scale, outsourcing is good for the economy. Customers and investors drive businesses, and customers demand lower prices and investors demand higher profits. In order to lower their cost structure, companies outsource non-critical activities to places where they can get the most value for their money.This, in turn, allows them to offer their products at a lower price, and depending on what the company does, millions of customers could benefit. Likewise, the investors then receive higher profits and better returns on their investments.So, while it sucks for Joe Worker that his job has been offshored to India to someone who will do his job for $5 a day and no bathroom breaks, the positive impact it has on a large scale make outsourcing a good thing.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

I agree, outsourcing jobs is ultimately good for the economy. Although this is a very tough pill to swallow and difficult to explain to someone whose job has just been shipped overseas, the fact that it promotes efficiency and cost reduction in companies ultimately benefits more people than it harms. Thus, I believe it is good for the country.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I'm not an economist, but I know that corporations don't outsource so they can "pass their savings along" to me. How much does it cost Nike to make a pair of shoes, again? When corporations offshore jobs they are, in a sense, dumping the labor of that other country into the US job market -- This has the immediate effect of taking money out of the hands of the poor and middle class worker, and, in the longer term, diluting the worth of the American worker. When our jobs go overseas, Americans have to take less skilled jobs that pay less and are less secure. You're saying that it's OK if Americans have less money, because products cost less? Well, the cost of living in America is going up, not down!!!Who benefits the most from outsourcing? By far, the benefit is disproportionately enjoyed by Management and Shareholders.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Yes, the management and shareholder receives a large slice of the profits, but by outsourcing, americans are investing in the infrastructure and productivity of another country, who have lower living standards and live in poverty. Is it fair on those who are willing to work for less, so that the company may build basic neccessities such as roads and telecommunications equipment, that they should be denied work because the american wants to keep their worth? The worker, and the economy, must evolve with the times, and really, it is egocentric to believe that the american worker is superior to the Chinese, the american telemarketer superior to the Indian. Many people will work just as hard for less because of the side benefits rather than just the whole wage deal, and just because a worker is american does not make them inherently better.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

It will only be a short term benefit for the companies who offshore outsource because there will be fewer consumers due to the fact that so many American's have lost their jobs. Who is going to buy those lower cost items? The unemployed or the people they are employing at such low wages; they will not be able to afford anything. So in essence they are destroying themselves by getting rid of their consumers.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Very wrong. How does every business in America and the world make money ??? Answer : By PEOPLE buying their product or service. Take away the People's money, and you take away their ability to spend and support a business. Outsourcing good paying jobs and thus lowering the average wage only hurts the people (who are also the consumers) and the businesses they would otherwise be able to supportBill Gates, Warren Buffet, and other mega wealthy owners / exec's do not do nearly as much to create jobs as do the working class / consumer.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I can't believe you are suggesting that American customers (ie, workers) have at any time demanded that American companies lower the cost of goods in the marketplace by moving their jobs overseas!What Americans are demanding is a good standard of living with a decent wage so we can afford to buy all the goods and services we need; so we can provide for our families, without working 2 or 3 jobs. Outsourcing to developing nations drives wages down.The one consumer item that American's are complaining long and hard about is gas. Have the massive, record profits reaped by American Oil interests translated into reduced gas prices? Of course not.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

The American consumer shows demand not though petitions or the like, but rather in their choice of purchase. Outsourcing occurs because the consumer chooses the cheaper package over the more expensive despite where it was made. I would suggest that this feedback to companies who outsource, helps them conclude that the consumer wants cheaper goods. Because, the more profitable method was to outsource, it seems to me that the consumer may have driven their own demise.Furthermore, outsourcing will ultimately drive global wages up, which is much more beneficial than merely maintaining American standards of living at the expense of everyone else. Taking Japan and Singapore as examples, after the initial bout of heavy industrial development, they moved into much more information based services accumulating in higher salaries and gross GDP growth, which in turn stimulated the American economy. Thus while American wages will suffer in the short term, it is a better long term approach to outsource.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Just to be clear, you are referring to offshore outsourcing, right?In your hypothetical scenario, the company offshores so it may then lower prices and remain competitive. In reality, I think companies resort to offshoring because they have bowed to investor pressure to maximize short term profits.There was price competition in this country before we sent millions of jobs overseas. Are corporations not rich enough? Wealth is being redistributed as we speak, and it's going to the very top. I don't see this trend reversing--do you?The whole corporate model of business is based on infinite resources and endless growth. This model is entirely incompatible with wage parity in any meaningful sense. If you take the wages of the bottom 95% of the world and distribute them equally among that 95%, then 95% of the world would be poor.Corporations don't think past the next quarter. They have no idea where all this is leading. The people who really run the Corporations from the Board of Directors probably have some kind of plan for where all this is going, but I don't think it involves those of us in the bottom 95%!The idea that what is good for the Corporation is somehow good for the worker is highly suspect in my opinion. A corporation is a profit machine, nothing more.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Yes, the wealth gap widens within America, but no more so than the global wealth gap. Throughout history, the inequality between people is well recorded and indeed it can even be argued that inequality is part of human nature, but that's not what this is about. What I'm saying is that with outsourcing, the African peasant will earn a little more, and narrow the gap between them and the American Worker. What I find frustrating about all these arguments is that they assume the American worker is superior and/or sacred and thus must be protected.Moreover, you seem to focus on Corporate wealth, but have you ever thought about how 3rd World countries industrialize? It is almost exclusively through foreign investment that poor economies grow and outsourcing is such an investment.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I believe that most of the arguments against outsourcing aren't because people feel that Americans are any more superior to those in other countries. I for one believe that all humans are equal and with the same freedoms and i believe that most others feel the same.3rd world nations do grow because of foreign investment and that is a good thing. but corporations also manage to steal a lot of the resources of these 3rd world nations which they then make the native people work with.it is one thing to invest and open new plants/buildings in 3rd world countries while keeping the original ones in America, it is completely different to close down the ones in America and then moving to a poorer nation and exploiting the fact those people will work for next to nothing because they have nothing better.lets face it corporations don't outsource to help the poorer nations or its people, they do it because its cheaper, less environmental restrictions, and less strict worker conditions.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Corporations are supposed to do what is best for the shareholders, not for their country or even for their customers. In fact in the US the CEO is required by law to do what's best for these shareholders. And what is best for the shareholders is more profits. More profits come through lowering your cost of goods sold or increasing your revenue (or both). It has been proven time and time again that outsourcing to foreign countries can lower the overall cost of goods that you sell. Therefore, companies must outsource in order to survive today.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

"Because, the more profitable method was to outsource, it seems to me that the consumer may have driven their own demise."Are you telling me that consumers are choosing to commit economic suicide?Let's just put this little hypothetical into play:I lose my job because my company cut costs by moving it overseas. I am now on a much tighter budget. Because of my tight budget and precarious economic situation I buy the cheapest things I can, which turn out to be goods coming from overseas factories. This doesn't seem to be the vote of confidence you are making it out to be; especially in cases where the consumer has no idea where the product is made or if their particular product isn't made anywhere but in other countries. "Furthermore, outsourcing will ultimately drive global wages up, which is much more beneficial than merely maintaining American standards of living at the expense of everyone else. Taking Japan and Singapore as examples, after the initial bout of heavy industrial development, they moved into much more information based services accumulating in higher salaries and gross GDP growth, which in turn stimulated the American economy. Thus while American wages will suffer in the short term, it is a better long term approach to outsource."I do not remember hearing about any U.S. jobs being sent to Singapore and Japan during the 70s and 80s, in fact, due to protectionist policies implemented by the U.S. government (and other nations) Japanese corporations such as Toyota and Mitsubishi had to open up factories in the United States and Canada in order to increase the number of cars sold.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

I was rather referring to the consumer's original preference for cheaper goods. Then they loose their job and the spiral begins. In my reference to Japan and Singapore, their development is due significantly to American investment, money, which may have also been used to develop American Industry, but wasn't. Is that not also loss of employment opportunity? And by opening factories in America, it proves the point that the foreign investment was also returned domestically and hence ultimately aided the American economy.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

This is the issue, you are in favor of overseas investment then, not outsourcing. There is a distinct difference between a lack of job creation (which occurs when a company chooses to invest its money overseas), and outsourcing (which is when a company takes its existing resources and reconfigures them so that current jobs are moved overseas). I think you need to use a better example if you are going to defend the current practice; a practice which seems altogether different from what you are currently using as an example.For the record, I don't oppose investment overseas (under certain mutually beneficial conditions). However, outsourcing seems to be an inherently destructive process which brings little benefit to foreign workers and impacts negatively domestic ones.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

But see, outsourcing is a form of overseas investment, and that is why i support it.The difference between redirecting job creation and and taking someone's job away is that now ego is involved, because that person thinks they have been wronged, while in reality, they have been surpassed. Simply put, they ask for too much.And how is it conclusively destructive? Outsourcing is helping Indians build telecommunications and roads, abet at the expense of American roads and telecommunications. But because the net value cannot really be measured, one cannot definitely conclude that
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

"The difference between redirecting job creation and and taking someone's job away is that now ego is involved, because that person thinks they have been wronged, while in reality, they have been surpassed. Simply put, they ask for too much."Ego? You do realize that most of these people have families, they tend to like to be able to provide for them. Also, many communities depend on manufacturing jobs as their primary source of economic activity. You do realize what's been happening in these cities and towns, don't you? Dramatic increases in poverty, crime, drug-abuse, prostitution, dilapidation of homes, main streets, commercial districts, industrial districts. Ego indeed. "And how is it conclusively destructive? Outsourcing is helping Indians build telecommunications and roads, abet at the expense of American roads and telecommunications. But because the net value cannot really be measured, one cannot definitely conclude that"You can say that it is conclusively destructive in a number of ways:It aids and proliferates child labor.It destroys the environment by taking advantage of weak, small nations with little environmental protections.It dominates small nations politically, leading to a dramatic decrease in democracy in such nations.It acts as a force against collective bargaining, unions, both at home and abroad (abroad it tends to bust unions through murder and intimidation, of course).It decimates domestic production and ownership, which can lead to famine in the case of Haiti (where domestic produces were pushed out by cheap food prices, and then the citizens were left to starve when prices rose way above their income levels). It increases our already abundant CO2 production by putting emphasis on goods and services that must travel long distances between consumer and producer. The lists go on. But, to be blunt, these are not destructive if you don't believe in the effects or do not believe the effects are all that bad (or bad at all).
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Yes, it is ego driven. They lived a much more privileged life than can be expected for people who work in such industries, and demand that the lifestyle be maintained. If we take the living conditions of global manufacturing 'grunts' for want of a better word, the American 'grunt' is excessively well off. Really, all outsourcing is doing is re-balancing the equality, equal pay for equal work. The problem in those communities that rely on manufacturing industries for survival is a shortcoming in the government, and it's inability to encourage high technology industry development. These people are not suffering due to corporate decisions to outsource, but the government's inability to observe the inevitable, and plan ahead. Yes these immediate issues are destructive, however over the course of history, again and again during the era of industrialization, children are exploited, environments defecated upon and nations are exploited, however it strikes me that only after such a nation industrializes, do they preach suffrage and equality and fair trading practices. These ills are intrinsic towards the development of industry. Do you really expect solar panels in Africa, three times as expensive as developing coal, and notoriously unreliable, to power a steel industry? Or that they won't employ child labour and cut their workforce in half?In relation to domestic production and ownership, yes, it will reduce domestically owned industry, however once enough wealth is achieved, the odds will begin to even. Also, Food is a tenuous example to use as it is a strategic resource as well as economical. Fluctuations in world food prices are also why countries like Japan give 700% subsidies to their farmers, to ensure that the domestic agrarian industry is never lost and in times of strife, will continue to produce. It is also why the EU refuses to reduce tariffs on imported foods, as it will decimate their agriculture.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

If I was to see two products of the same brand, and one was a little more cheaper, but made in china, I would go and spend a few extra bucks on buy the product the is made in my country, USA. This way I know I am supporting the US workers. Also when I tend to buy stuff, I always check where its made, and rarely to I see the proud mark of "Made in USA". Today when I check stuff I almost always see "Made in China". Everything now a days are made cheaply, by cheaply paid workers, just so that the consumer can save a few bucks and the greedy company owners can max out there profits, even if it means putting hard working US workers out of jobs.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

If I was to see two products of the same brand, and one was a little more cheaper, but made in china, the other being made in US. I would go and spend a few extra bucks on it and buy the product that is made in my country, USA. This way I know I am supporting the US workers. Also when I tend to buy stuff, I always check where its made, and rarely to I see the proud mark of "Made in USA". Today when I check stuff I almost always see "Made in China". Everything now a days are made cheaply, by cheaply paid workers, just so that the consumer can save a few bucks and the greedy company owners can max out there profits, even if it means putting hard working US workers out of jobs.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

You're comparing Apples to Oranges.In the end, it's all supply and demand.Gas is more expensive because there isn't much of it. Jobs are being exported because there is a better workforce somewhere else willing to work at a lower wage. You don't think outsourcing didn't contribute to lower prices? Then just look at the low inflation the US enjoyed throughout most of the 90's and even into 2000.In the end ask yourself this question: Who needs the jobs more, the richest country on earth or poor, developing countries?You think an American has a hard time losing their job? Let's see, they can collect unemployment, welfare, and housing assitance.Someone in India without work is lucky to have a roof over their heads or any food on the table.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

UGHHHHHHHH. In the end ask yourself this question: Who needs the jobs more, the richest country on earth or poor, developing countries?Shut the hell up, dumbass. You wouldn't be saying that if you were unemployed. It's so easy for you to be blind of the effects outsourcing has on people's lives when you have everything that you need.American citizens should come first in America. Families take care of their family and nations take care of their citizens. The unemployed DO suffer and not EVERYONE is able to collect benefits. Unemployed Americans need the jobs just as desperately as unemployed individuals in other nations.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

"You think an American has a hard time losing their job? Let's see, they can collect unemployment, welfare, and housing assistance."Now the question is, do you necessarily want them collecting those things instead of working for a living? Where does the money for these benefits come from? The rich get taxed for these benefits. So the increased profits reaped from outsourcing end up coming back to bite them in the rear, because the government will demand more money from them to finance the swelling demand for benefits like unemployment, etc. Outsourcing jobs is essentially a zero-sum game. Might as well save the hassle and keep the jobs here. It's individual people who have to learn not to cry when their iPod costs $120 instead of $100. You don't need an iPod to live.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

first of all, of course you are not going to see the american customers "demand" lower costs through outsourcing......the market forces do this. outsourcing doesn't drive wages down, its a problem with workers being unqualified for the higher level jobs that are created after company resources are freed up by shipping those lower level jobs overseas. also gas is a commodity so it really doesn't have anything do do with your example.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

At this point in time when thousands of people have lost their jobs, I believe keeping what we can in the U.S is better for Joe Worker. The profit here is only for the big corporations there really is no plus for us, how are we profitting in any way other than possibly cheaper products?
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Even if a product is cheaper, if you are out of a job or your paycheck is 'downsized', you can't afford to buy it.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Sir, you to not realise that Joe Worker is not only the one who lost his job, but is also the person that the company is trying to sell thier product to. Now that Joe Worker has no job, he will not be buying your product.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Joe Worker needs to become better qualified for the jobs created by the upward shift in the economy.....and if he is not buying my product he will buy it from someone overseas who is producing it at a fraction of the cost. Again hurting the american economy. Whereas if the job was outsourced, the us company could compete on price.