azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The vast majority of miscarriages occur prior to a woman even knowing she's pregnant. 20-40% occur prior to 12 weeks.Miscarriage is something many many mothers will experience, and many more don't even know they went through a miscarriage, because it happened so early that they didn't even get time to find out they were pregnant.My mom has been through two miscarriages, two of my aunts have both been through a miscarriage, and three of my friends have been through a miscarriage.The rate of miscarried fetuses before the 20th week is extremely high, so high that even doctors say that the life of that young fetuses are a POSSIBILITY.Those fetuses are in doctors eyes seen as possible life, because the chance of miscarriage is that big. Fortunately, the chance of miscarriages are lowering slowly nowdays, people seem to think it is because women nowdays are a lot smarter on what to eat and what not to eat during pregnancy, also women are taught that stuff like alcohol and tobacco make the chances of miscarriages very very high.A fetus in the 5th week can not be considered a human being, and you have no evidence of it ever becoming one. That is why I would rather kill a 5th week old fetus than an ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

a single ant and its possible achievements do not even compare to the possible achievementsAgain subjective. Do you rate a person's worth on what they can do that you like? Is a mentally handicapped person better to kill than a monkey who can collect change? Or no, is it the fact that the human is well a human, and that you're showing bias to your species?It's perfectly natural but just be honest about it.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

No I am conparing their achievement out of the scale of benefit. One typical human will achieve more than an ant. We reached the moon ants go to the top of hills. Now importance of ants is different but the possible things a typical human can do outweighs a a single ant. Also we arent talking about monkeys so I dont know why that is stated. Now I am in favor for the equality of all species but we are capable of much more. I love ants and I have a tank full of them. They achieve a ton. Now lets make ants the same size as humans and give them our brains. They would probably be superior.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

No I am conparing their achievement out of the scale of benefitSo am I. The ant is alive and making contributions, the fetus could be a miscarry. if that happens where's your logic on it's potential vs what the ant is already doing? We measure results not possibilities if we did we could argue Hitler was a great man because if he was reformed he could have used his great influence for good, but he didn't, what he did was 'evil' and we will forever remember what he did and not what he could have done.One typical human will achieve more than an ant. What is more? Lifting 3 tons into the air just to put it back down is nothing compared to lifting a single pound to allow another creature to live. What I mean is, it's not what is done it's the significance of what is done. In the ant's case, it will do a significant impact on it's species' survival, most humans actually will not.We reached the moon ants go to the top of hills.We reached the moon...to say we could. Ants go to the top of hills to burrow tunnels to ventilate their entire system of tunnels so that they can get fresh oxygen into the lowest parts of the tunnel. This is subjective, but I think climbing a small hill for a good reason is better that climbing a large hill for silly reasons.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

I am talking about a human vs ant. I cant debate if you are taking my words out of context. Actually most ants will benefit their colony not the entire species. We have cured diseases and such for the entire human race. I cant debate with you if you keep taking my words into another context.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I am talking about a human vs ant.So am I, I clearly said the words human and ant, several times, and I related all of my metaphors back to these two creatures. I cant debate if you are taking my words out of context.If you feel I am, I'll need evidence so as to correct it.Actually most ants will benefit their colony not the entire species.They are doing something to benefit their entire species still, most humans won't.We have cured diseases and such for the entire human race.Living humans at this time have a fetus that may one day grow up to become a doctor has not. I cant debate with you if you keep taking my words into another context.Again, I'll need to see that.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Species means those faction of ants. You cant say entire species when ants cannot go to other countries and help out those ants. Humans however can. Also 1 human vs 1 ant. That is my argument. Just look at your initial sentences in your argument before this. It spoke of a fetus. Not a human.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Species means those faction of ants. Yes, that's why I corrected it when you showed it to me. One ant will benefit it's colony. One human less likely will so much as benefit his community.It spoke of a fetus. Not a human.Because the debate asked about a fetus, and not a human.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

A fetus is technically a human its just an unborn human.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

An unborn human that is doing nothing. So for all the achievements you listed off, that fetus isn't doing them and hasn't done them.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

One ant yes can benefit its colony. The same way a man does through taxation. Also even though the debate talked about a fetus my agree was only about a human.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

An ant ill try to benefit it's colony, men usually try to defeat taxes.Yet as you wanted to badger me about the debate topic, I'll draw you back to the original point by asking what is the fetus doing at this moment in time? Growing, lying in a protective sac, not reaching the moon or paying taxes. What is the ant doing? At the very least it's collecting food for the colony.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Well what the heck is the fetus suppose to do while its in the womb? Nothing he or she cant do anything till their born.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

If the fetuscan do nothing in the womb then your whole argument is flawed.You all claimed that a fetus being killed is worse because a human can do so much. The case is that although a human can it may not. So you changed it to humans have. Yet the fetus is not.The simple fact is, a fetus at the time it is a fetus is less useful than an ant, and that is not opinion it's fact.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Again. Men cannot escape sales tax. Their voluntarily purchase good and thus guve to the community. The average person has a job and must pay taxes and contributes to their society. The average human must pay bills in the house. This person is promoting everybody by supplying the resources for everybodies survival. An average person may drive a car. This person must supply that car with the resources it needs to move or operate. They must purchase gasoline, electricity, or even water.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Again. Men cannot escape sales taxAgain, men are not fetuses, yet i'll play along. An ant, is not trying to escape but a man is. Yet the man is worse to be killed? The one that's doing what's right, because they have to rather than doing what's right...because it's right?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The ant population is far too high to even consider the death significant to the human population. Since you did not counter the taxation are voluntary and inviluntary contributions a man mist give to society I believe this has already ended. The ant does not contribute as much as a man does. Also since my initial argument was about a fetus growing uo and living its life compared to an ant living its entire life my example conpletly validates my side of the argument. The man must contribute a ton and this is just the typical man. Your examples include the exceptions.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

The ant population is far too high to even consider the death significant to the human population.Now we're using that argument?One ant dying goes unnoticed by humanity. One human dying goes unnoticed by ants. One human dying does not affect greatly the rest of the community. One ant dying does not greatly affect the ant colony.Insignificance is a game we all can play. Since you did not counter the taxation are voluntary and inviluntary contributions a man mist give to society I believe this has already ended.This ended when you left the topic of a fetus vs an ant and transformed it to a human vs an ant. The ant does not contribute as much as a man does.To who? Humanity? Obviously not, but why should it, it's an ant. oh you mean to the world? Do you mean as much as in more, or as much as in greater affect on all life. I doubt ants have killed as many creatures as people have, I also would bet that since ants have been around for as long as humans if not longer, and outnumber us by trillions that they may have done more than us, just so much more that we can't calculate all that's been done.. Also since my initial argument was about a fetus growing uo and living its life compared to an ant living its entire life my example conpletly validates my side of the argument.Your argument was about what if. My counter addressed what if. What if the fetus is a stillborn, what if it's a drug dealer, another Hitler, etc. That's why what if's don't work.The man must contribute a ton and this is just the typical man.The typical man pays involuntary taxes, as you have pointed out, and works a regular job and pays money to the government. Now the typical ant is bringing food to it's colony. The human has saved no one today with his taxes, the ant has saved it's entire colony.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The ant saved an entire colony? The typical human is saving the entire system first world countries rely on. If one ant stops nothing major happens. If one human stops nothing great happens. For one thing ants indeed store food. Humans contribute more to their society. In fact the entire race. You are flipping my "if" around. I am taking the typical average man and an average ant. Please do not use word play. It is too easy to spot. Also you said the ant brings food to its colony. We have farmers that make food for tons of people. So what exactly does that argument imply?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I won't waste time disputing. You're speaking of a living breathing, thinking human who is actively taking part in their community on the same term as the living breathing, thinking ant, that is actively taking part in it's community.The case as it is presented is not that, the case as it is presented is that of a fetus, that is doing nothing but growing, compared to an ant that is actively taking part in it's community.So as your argument states, "it's worse to kill a fetus because it's effect on the world" it's in fact, not opinion, invalid, because if you are comparing an active fetus to an active ant, and their impacts on the world, the ant is doing a significant amount more than the fetus.Now if you even care, the point I kept making, but was casualy tossed aside in your rebuttals, is that it's not just the act that is important, it's the significance of that act. With that said, the significance of an ant's acts are only significant to an ant, just as the significance of a human's acts are only significant to a human. Meaning all we do is is important to us, but to us alone, therefore this debate should not go one way, it should in fact go both ways because this is ultimately an opinion on which you value more.Your initial response to me was that my opinion is wrong because I stated how important an ant's actions are, when in fact, an ant's actions are important, more so than anything we do, to an ant. If only to an any, they are the most important.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

That is not my reason for disputing nor is it my argument. My argument is that killing a fetus is simply worse in our eyes. That was my main point. I just decided to talk about the stuff they each do in society in which humans do more.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

killing a fetus is simply worse in our eyes.That was the basis of both of my arguments from the start it depends on how you look at it.I just decided to talk about the stuff they each do in society in which humans do more.I gave you numerous reason why this argument is not sound.You say more but do you mean more relative to body size, community size, impact on the planet, positive impact, negative, etc.What human does is important to a human. I'm sure this is the third time I've posted these words exactly.What an ant does is important to an ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

It is "sound" a human has much more potential than an ant. A human can contribite more than an ant to their society. I dont know if they take up more biomass but we have much more potential than ants do. We seem to be the species chosen to evolve into humans, our brains are far more developed, human contribute voluntarily or involuntarily to their society, etc.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

It is "sound" a human has much more potential than an ant.Potential is limitless. You never know what any life form will accomplish. If you truly aliens created humanity, do you think they estimated what humanity would do one day?A human can contribite more than an ant to their society.And an ant can contribute more than a human to their society. We seem to be the species chosen to evolve into humansWe're the only species that could evolve into humans, it's in our DNA, but we are not the only intelligent species, nor are we the only evolving species.our brains are far more developedIt's ironic that you say that because when a fetus can be legally aborted it's brain is not.human contribute voluntarily or involuntarily to their society, etc.As do ants to theirs.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Ants involuntarily contribute to their society? In what way?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

As far as I know they voluntarily contribute to their society, and need no reason to do so involuntarily. They make the choices to die for the rest of the colony, they make the choices to bring food to the colony, and in rare cases when one of them gets an illness that can kill the colony, one of them instinctively carries the infected one out to a place to not spread the illness, and subsequently dies with it.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

You said ants do both. You said the voluntarily and involuntarily contribute. How does an ant involuntarily contribute like you said they do?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

My apologies, I was answering too quickly and must have omitted the part about humans contributing involuntarily.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

We've not only achieved and accomplished more than any insect or animal we have helped both our race and other animals. We've made many medicines and such to help both humans and animals.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Way to list off the achievements now I'll list off the catastrophes.Many humans believe humans are the biggest cause of global warming, that's affecting an entire planet.Humans have made several species extinct, and the ones humans haven't are endangered.Humans tame animals to use for entertainment or companionship, and when people are done with them, they are usually causally tossed aside evidenced by all of the strays that exist.Humans have taken the reproductive organs of some animals to keep them in line, or to make them more hospitable to humans.Humans have buildings dedicated to the genocide of animals, known as slaughterhouses.Humans are the only animals I can think of to kill an animal just for the fun of it. Humans are also the only animal to kill an animal not to eat it, but to wear it.I could continue with this list but I'm pretty sure the point is made. Humans are not that great, you can look at the positives like you did or you can look at the negatives like I did. It's your perspective versus my perspective, which is why I see disputing me as pointless. Your facts are mere opinions, and biased at that.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Yours are just as biased as mine. In any case, yes I realize the catastrophes we've done but I didn't think there was any point bringing it up because I thought everybody knew already
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I stated from the start it was biased.I said "you listed the achievements, now let me list the catastrophes"Everybody already knew the catastrophes just like everybody already knew the achievements.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So your saying just because I didn't state the catastrophes that makes me biased? It does sound biased yes but if I had thought about the catastrophes I would've also listed that. I actually didn't mean to sound biased.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

So your saying just because I didn't state the catastrophes that makes me biased?Bias: Prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.Yes. To favor one side (positive attributes) over another side (negative attributes) is bias. There's nothing wrong with bias, that's the whole point of an opinion, but there's no point in trying to persuade someone with your bias. I fought your bias with my bias. Your showed the ups, mine showed the downs, together we equal out for an outside observer to see objectively and to decide based on all that is presented which side they feel is better, again based off of their bias.I sound critical, and probably condescending, but I don't mean to. my point that i'm trying to get a cross is that, the purpose ultimately depends on everyone's opinions. More people should pick the fetus, we are human after all, but I'm an objective debater, and I see that both sides objectively have a good ground to stand on.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Hmm, you make a good point there but I would've listed the catastrophes if I had thought about it believe it or not. True sometimes I can be biased but at other times I do my best to list both ups and downs on both sides while still sticking to the one side that in my opinion is correct.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

I came here from your other debate.it will do a significant impact on it's species' survivalHere is where I think your logic is flawed. An individual ant will not have a significant impact. There are many that can replace it. The survival of the colony depends on the collective actions of many many individuals. I think this is how the people who have been arguing with you feel, but didn't put into words.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

You are right it was an error. It won't be significant but it will be something. It will bring one leaf to the colony that the colony will use to produce food (leaf cutter ants). Most humans won't do this much. They'll pay taxes of course (after becoming 18 or getting a job) but the tax money doesn't directly go into the food starving people need.That one ant bringing the leaf will prevent another ant from starving to death.The one human paying taxes, still hasn't.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Humans feed their kids. Stop them from starving.Taxes go into food stamps, food stamps are used to stop people from starving. I disagree with your taxes assessment.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Humans feed their kids. Stop them from starving.Not every human has kids.Taxes go into food stamps, food stamps are used to stop people from starving.Yet not every person is being fed, or everyone who needs the food stamps are getting them, or every tax dollar we have is going into food for the hungry.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Yet not every person is being fed, or everyone who needs the food stamps are getting them, or every tax dollar we have is going into food for the hungry.That's right, that one leaf that the ant brought over feeds the entire colony for years.I don't believe in comparing how much an individual contributes to their respective society. I think humans are more important than ants. I was just pointing out that you are overvaluing the ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

That's right, that one leaf that the ant brought over feeds the entire colony for years.I know it doesn't but that one leaf brought, is one that feeds one, and if every ant brings a leaf every ant eats. Like you said they all add to a collective, but each individual part is just as important.I don't believe in comparing how much an individual contributes to their respective society.Then there was no point in even disputing me, we have different views on this matter from the get go.I think humans are more important than ants. I was just pointing out that you are overvaluing the ant.I think both are equally insignificant and both deserve a fair amount of siding. The ant is over valued only compared to the human, it could worthless to us, but to them it's important.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

if every ant brings a leaf every ant eatsNow the ants are only feeding themselves and it doesn't matter if one ant dies, will you be doing some more back peddling? Then there was no point in even disputing me, we have different views on this matter from the get go.I was disputing your one statement.but to them it's importantI disagree, they don't have the ability to understand the concept of importance.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Support! The only way that killing an ant can be seen as bad at all is from a 'human' perspective. Ants don't objectively care. They often kill and eat their own. So, it becomes a question of which has the most negative impact on humanity... the killing of an ant vs killing a human in the womb.Obviously, killing humans has a greater / more direct impact on humanity than killing ants do. Question asked. Question answered.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

The ant contributes, we should let it live. It has at least some value in it's own "community".