Debate: Can we use Non-Violence to destroy terrorism?
Side: A resounding YES!

I'm glad to see your responses have become more cordial.I admit some things ive sent in your direction have been pretty deplorable also but thats how i get when someone ridicules my arguments without any actual counter argument. Now im not trying to take anything away from your shiite friends and i am aware that they constitute the majority of the iraqi population, i also acknowledge that they have a unique perspective that you or i do not have and thus when the say something about their own country it carries alot more weight than when you or i say it. Now its fair enough if your friends are optimistic about the future (i suppose they kind of have to be given everything thats happened).I also think given that the shiite kurds suufered most under saddam that they would be more accepting of the occupation than alot of other Iraqies. Unfortunately i dont think this optimism is well founded, just look at U.S.'s track record in Iraq. First they support Saddam and they continue to support him for the majority of his tenure as dictator of Iraq.In fact America loved him i think i remember quote from Donald Rumsfeld saying somethin like "hes our man in the region." This is while Shiite were being massacred of course and they had full knowledge of it and dont try to tell me they didnt. They arm him to the teeth with some of the best weaponry available at the time so he sould win a war with Iran (a country they had a puppet government in until the people revolted).Again loads of lifes lost but as long as U.S. aims are being supported who cares right. Then he over staps the mark and gets a hard slap on the wrist (Gulf 1) but they liked how he ruled the Iraqi people with a iron fist so they leave him there to continue. When they find out hes not going to be completely subservient to them they invade in order to control it (the oil) for themselves directly (more or less) under the guise of corporations that serve American elite. So i happen to think their optimism isnt well founded believe me i nwish it was.Now America is pretending to be for the Egyptian revolution thats more or less what i stated previously, as i said watch Washingtons reaction in the wake of the upheavel. You can tell they dont know what to do their puppet dictator is being ousted before their very eyes.You can think whatever you want about this as well your entitled to but theres a very good reason why America never spoke out against Mubarak or any of the dictators in the middle east. Its because to a large extent they obey America. And why would America speak out when there getting their own way, i mean really just cause theres unbelievable inequallity (which exists in America too but thats a different argument), extreme repression, complete totalatarian control of the population, torture, death squads you name it why would America speak out about this when there getting their own way. Fucking hell man open your eyes, seek out the real news not he propaganda your fed on a daily basis.Now i happen to be against Iran obtaining nuclear weapons but the American agenda is a lot more complex than that. I dont want to go into it too much (ive already written alot) so ill just say this; they had control in Iran previously (the Sha another brutal dictator despised by the entire population) now they dont, and their worried iIran will grow too powerful (admittedly nuclear are part of that) and they'll lose their foothold in the region. Thats what motivates them nuclear weapons will just be the excuse they use if it does happen just like Iraqi WMD's. Now you clearly trust your governemnt, no offense but i consider that to be incredibly nieve. If you think any of these statements are false please feel free to challenge them. Its my belief that you fear they will use the nuclear weapons if they acquire them, i have two things to say about this 1. Isreal already possesses 300 nuclear war heads in my opinion they are just as likely to use them on an arab country than Iran is on Western country (but Western blood is more valuable then middle eastern blood, at least thats what the governments think but dont say) 2. the only country ever to use nuclear weapons on a civilian population, you guessed it America.Also you said your friends are not rich, dont know how you define rich but they obviously dont live in abject poverty otherwise you would have said so. Most Iraqis do live in poverty, its my contention that if these people were asked are they glad the U.S invaded i think their response would be a firm no (thats my opinion) and these people (the very poor not shiite or suni or any other race) are the majority in Iraq at trhe moment.Peace out.