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Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

No i never remembered sensing god. And i an assure you if i went back and read it cover to cover 5 times in a row i wouldnt "sense" god. I dont even know what that means. Also, lets say for a second that i did feel a tingle in my feet or saw a light twinkle in my eye for a second. I would sooner chalk it up to a coincidence or hallucination then use it as some conclusion that what im reading is true.Imagine if a muslim told you to read the Quran. You read it cover to cover and are unimpressed. Then he asks "did you sense allah?" Would you not see that as a ridiculous question?You remember sensing god when you were 5?! I cant even remember a single detail of when i was 5. I thought santa claus brought my presents at christmas time when i was 5. You could tell me the moon was made of cheese and id believe you when i was 5. That seems more to me like you were indoctrinated to believe these things and when a parent asked if you sensed god your young mind just made stuff up and believed them. Its incredibly easy to persuade young children. So citing a personal experience of when you were that young is hardly persuasive.So...your conscience told you to tell the truth, and you did. Where does god come into that equation? Is it not more reasonable to conclude that you were taught to tell the truth as a child and in that moment your conscience told you to follow that rule?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Very true, pharasees had it memorized and still didn't know Him.It's a closed book if your heart isn't willing to count the cost and follow Him. Not if He calls you, and you listen. I have had times where I shut Him out, and I've had times I didn't. And I've had times where there was to much coordination to chalk it up as coincidence. I've been a Christian for 30 years, asleep for part of it. I just woke up recently, and I have to say the events that woke me up was a series of events that were a pretty good series of coincidences if that's the case. And its comparable to my 1st experience becoming a Christian, both were equally unusual, and not likely coincidental. Too many moving parts and hit too specifically and targeted, for me to dismiss it. And I wasn't a willing to go in the direction I went in, but I think because I prayed that He not let me go He honored that prayer. And I also think it was a time of humbling to he used in this time period, and He had put some things in Me in my 1st years as a Christian that were early then, but are now for this time period. So He moved me to put me where I saw things in His Word and with understanding 30 years ago, and now when I was sleeping He woke me up with a shake up to find what I got 30 years ago was on purpose to share today, in these specific days. Now I don't expect you to understand all that, and I expect you to dismiss it in skepticism, but if God ends up working in you, maybe you will recognize it. I've been through lots of crazy things over 30 years. But these two times, these were movement of God in my life, like no other. I have a nice Christian story of how I met my husband, and other nice stories I can say we're likely God working. But these two times were like I was a piece on a chess board and it didn't matter what I wanted, or thought I wanted. And no matter what the collision I encountered when I was being moved, I was moved. And in 50 years, I know the difference between the nice hand of God moving me, and the persistent hand of God moving me!
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

My parents didn't talk about God. I went to Catholic school, but we weren't one of the fervent families. And I was about 5 so I didn't have much religion at that point. I am 50 Now, I have a few clear memories, but when this isn't a typical event to commit to a memory at 5 years old! Its a weird memory to have stuck in the head of a wild child 5 year old. And there is no triggered reason to pull that memory out. Never brought up by anyone, I never talked to anyone about it, my family wasn't like that, no one around me was aware of my thoughts. Its like He was asking me before the teens beat me, and numbed my conscience If I was concerned about truth. I had to be honest about who painted on the porch. I don't even know it's significance, but for some reason it's a time I felt God for a moment, maybe a few minutes. I'm not talking about a day at the fair, I'm talking about a specific time of a thought, and remembering specific time surrounding a thought. And out of all my memories, it even looks different then other memories. It was a moment that was out of the clear blue.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Watch the Daniel project. Those guys are on target. They go into some fulfillments, it is really not just worth the watch, it's important to watch. You should actually, please watch it. When we get into predictive prophesy and whats next is tricky. But there are educated guesses. God will adjust the lense when we need Him to. But the message is specific to now, in this time and day, and some of it is what I saw 30 years ago. So for me to be woken up by such a knock, I am very concerned!Watch this the Daniel Project, it may help you see some things, its rare to find a production that is actually presenting things in accuracy. We are in a last days where overnight there was an outpouring out of a section of Revelations, and its been poured out during this time. He is at the door! I never saw Him pour out a cup of wrath before and we pretty much just saw it poured. I'm thinking crap what am I supposed to do with this awareness. So I'm just warning people. I just watched it on Amazon Prime it will be more entertaining than reading ramblings.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

He's misrepresented the ontological argument for the reality of God in quite juvenile fashion. The fact that we all know the meaning of God is an evidence that He is God. Atheists who say there is no God usually use a straw man argument saying "all gods are imaginary" which is not an argument against God who gave us the power of imagination. They avoid acknowledging the concept of God being God because it implies an awareness of God. How can they say they do not believe in God when they know God's name?It's not about the possibility of God being there, it's about the fact that even those who say they do not believe in God know who they are referring to when they deny Him. It's a Biblical argument against atheists and idol worshipers plainly spelled out in Romans Chapter 1.You are correct in pointing out that anybody who can argue against God at least once in their life was aware of His presence. That first moment of truth for me came when I was outside playing as a little kid who was supposed to come home immediately when the street lights came on. One night the lights came on, and I said to myself, "I can stay out a couple more minutes, who will know? and I can lie if Mom says anything and say I didn't know they had come on, and who will know?" I sure had the feeling that somebody knew what I was doing as I disobeyed my mom and broke the rule. I knew I was guilty in the sight of God, but hey, what's He going to do about it? I found that out too, I paid.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Go ahead and plug in unicorn then show me itI don't think it works the same
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

Everything that begins to exist has a cause.The universe began to existTherefore the universe had a causeUnicorns are clearly the best explanation for this cause.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

That's nothing like the argument. That doesn't even have any logic of any kind. Have a Daisy, Same concept.One goes from what is needed to achieve Maximum Potential, is to have a Creator with Maximum Excellence. Qualities pertaining to Maximum Excellence in Omniscience, Omnipotence, and Moral Perfection necessary to achieve Maximum Greatness is determined by the highest possible Evolution in any and every possible world. Maximum Excellence is point of reference, and Maximum Greatness is also a point of reference! If you unicorn was your Maximum Potential then you have fantasy land. How is that the same?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

Well the unicorn works in the simplified ontological argument. When you start throwing in random words like "maximum greatness" and "maximum excellence" and "moral perfection" then it doesnt really work anymore. Because nobody attributes such qualities to a unicorn.But i could easily just counter that and say that the unicorns i am talking about have maximum potential. This unicorn has maximum excellence, omnipotence, omniscience, and moral perfection necessary to achieve maximum greatness. So there, now it fits in the same slot that a god would. but theres no real logical counter to saying why this unicorn doesnt fit as a creator and why god does. If i give them the same qualities they are equal.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Ok Maximum Greatness of a unicornDefine it Maximum Greatness that a world created by a unicorn achieves. If you notice I defined terms for Maximum Effectiveness and Maximum Achievement. You can't Achieve Greatness beyond Maximum Greatness. So we look at our world to achieve Greatness even as far as we achieved the Creator would have to be Greater than The combination of all Greatness Achieved, and in all areas of Greatness
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

Yeah and this unicorn can create maximum achievement. Anything you try to do to establish a separation between God and this unicorn won't work. See the point?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

No I don't think you understand the argument.The point is if something exists, then what would the result be.The point of the Maximum Excellence argument is if something exists, namely the Start or the Creator whatever that be. Then what would the result be, what is Needed for Maximum Possible Potential and Maximum Possible Achievement.And if a random unicorn was the Creator, what would be the highest progress in every aspect as the world progresses.So the Unicorn is a magical creature, that is a horse, with a horn, that can fly. There are no other attributes and even if you added some like kindness or good luck, then the outcome would be have a Daisy and fate of luck for all, as that world's greatest achievement. Maximum Greatness we have concluded that is at Minimum needed for "our world" are based on the Maximum Qualities ever achieved. Although there is human depravity, in humanity the Maximum Achievement is a Standard. Those who fall a bit short of that in humanity is just a curve. But those who fall short with great depravity is shocking. Because of the Maximum Excellence as its standard, Maximum Achievement reaches.So Maximum Excellence is sought in Maximum Achievement, As we try to exemplify Maximum Qualities, for Maximum Potential, with Maximum Excellence as our HIGHEST possible Standard.And its in all areas of Qualities in our word.So what does Maximum Excellence have to possess as a quality to be of the utmost highest possible Maximum Standard which then the Creator has to be all those qualities above even the achievable standard, and that is Maximum Excellence! And we can't achieve above the standard, because then we all would be the Creator, even those that are below the standard acceptable curve, in Maximum Depravity.So Maximum Qualities that are in Maximum Excellence are all encompassing in every area, being Maximally Excellent in each.Such as ...Emotional FullfilmentsAnd Attachments And What is Acceptable, or Good, or Great And What Bothers us tooBonds, and NurturingResponsibilityCharacterConscienceJusticeEvery Type of StudyEvery Type of IntellectEvery InventionEvery TechnologyEvery Possible Advancement Etc... Etc... Etc ...
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

So Maximum Qualities that are in Maximum Excellence are all encompassing in every area, being Maximally Excellent in each.The unicorn has all these qualities.Ive already told you whatever qualities you try to assign to god and NOT assign to the unicorn i will just arbitrarily assign to the unicorn as well. Imagine the unicorn and all its traits as being equal to those traits of god. If they both have all those traits how would you know if god is god or if the unicorn is god? And keep in mind this is all in dispute to the argument that doesnt establish as its last premise which creator is responsible for creating the universe
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Ok so God looks like a unicorn with all those qualities Ok then where is its replica or image in our world.The horse? So the horse achieves Maximum Excellence?That take evolution to a much more difficult believability
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

No you misunderstand.God isnt a unicorn, God and this unicorn have all of the same qualities and traits. They are utterly identical except one is your god and one is just a unicorn.If we follow the kalam cosmological argument to its final premise:1. everything that begins to exist has a cause2. The universe began to exist3. Therefore it has a cause If we follow this to its final premise the only thing we have proven is that the universe has a cause, which leaves a gap for what this cause may be. You would say the cause is your god. But as i have laid out there is also a unicorn that is utterly identical to your god. Who is to say it was your god that is the cause and not the unicorn? How would you prove that your god exists and was the cause and that this unicorn does not exist and was not the cause?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Do it, it's your argument God through and put unicorn and see how that works out in the argument.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

Yup then the horse achieves maximum excellence. I mean what other animal is raced in the kentucky derby and bet on with millions of dollars? What other creature dominates the open plains and is ideal for travel. Clearly it is the most excellent. Obviously this is silly but so is saying that humans are the perfect mirror of a god. Does god really look human? No its some otherworldly force thingy thats outside space and time. Humans cant exist there so how can he be human? And since when are humans maximally excellent at anything? Were destroying our own planet, we kill eachother over arbitrary beliefs and disputes, we still poop and pee like animals and we THINK were the best at everything. So god is like that?And what do you mean that takes evolution to a much more difficult believability? Do you think that evolution is supposed to result in something that achieves maximum excellence? Because i assure you maximum excellence is not even a scientific term. Evolution trends towards things being "maximally excellent" to their niche within their respective environments. Theres no such thing in evolution as something maximally excellent overall and if there was it wouldnt be humans.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

So our Maximum potential is to be a racehorse in a Kentucky derby?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Well since God has attributes likened to human form, and since Jesus took human form and was raised in human form, and since it says we were made in His image, then I'd conclude that human hands and features, as we reach higher in our potential. So the person of Maximum Excellence would have to have attributes that alow us to see an image reflective of us. So the rule of Maximum Excellence, would have to exemplify character and qualities above our highest possble achievement, and that the pursuit of Maximum Excellence would be pursued by the highest potential to reflect Maximum Excellence with the closest possible image related to the Qualities of Maximality and Characteristics, from the highest form of Qualities
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

1st of all I never said we were the "perfect " image of God." And since when are humans maximally excellent at anything? Were destroying our own planet, we kill eachother over arbitrary beliefs and disputes, we still poop and pee like animals and we THINK were the best at everything. So god is like that?"This is a childish argument - maybe your watching too many Kia commercials or too many cute dog tricks on Facebook. We have minds conscience and superior creative inventive ability and 100s of verbal and written languages. So yeah we are unique in every way compared to anything else on earth. Now if you think you dog is superior to you, or if you think you are as low as a mouse than I guess you are whatever you think you are.This is just a silly argument that carries no strength in the argument.It's something my daughter at 16 would of come up with if she felt like arguing, but at 19 she would consider it a juvenile argument.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Ok then you know God's Word,well. Wow, if He woke you up, and then put everything together before your eyes, that would be very interesting. The "dead knowledge" from Catholicism that I had before my personal experience with Jesus became alive as The Spirit took hold of all those facts and kind of adjusted the lense, and in a moments time I understood many things all at once differently. And if you read and didn't experience God, I have to ask why? What weren't you willing to give Him?Or what where you looking for in Him, the motive of your heart?And if you did experience The Spirit, then what flood swept you away?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

God has a way of changing people, so I wouldn't rule it out. And I said that alot of things would come together quickly since you know so much.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

How is it logical to ignore facts? IdkAn example would be I was looking at scriptures in Genesis and I saw a possible pattern on Day 3 after journaling points, there might be a number pattern. I felt to journal each point in the 1st place, and as I was doing it I felt that I couldn't use short hand or paraphrase, when I did He brought me back to it for me to correct it.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

And there was 3 sections of points 1st section had 2 sets of 3 pointsThe 2nd section had 6 points The 3rd section had 7 points All on the 3rd DayAnd the significance of the day was on the 3 rd dayAnd all that was happening on day 3.He was Gathering Waters, Making Sea and Dry Land, Growing plants and trees with seed after their own kind. He was adding many of the events and players in this day 3 text. Same with the other days. Each has several things appointed. And the number patterns have significances 3 3 6 7
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

Well I hope you find your way to know God on your own terms, instead of what was passed down to you. You can't say never, because you never know if God knocks you off of a horse.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

He has to throw out a straw man version of God which is not God. There is no wisdom, nor counsel, nor understanding against the LORD. There is no valid argument against God and atheists know it, they always argue against straw men which are not God. They are avoiding the Ontological Argument because they know they can't get around God. Proverbs 21:30.....There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD. He's using straw men and trying to lead you around never ending rabbit trails, he'll just keep jumping trails every time he senses you are putting some light on him....jumping to the trail of a different straw man or a red herring trying to avoid acknowledging God. You'll just be wasting time with him, he thinks he's getting off the hook in death.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

He used a straw man argument, proposing something less than God is God, which is nonsensical as only God can be God and a unicorn is a created thing which cannot be God. He's arguing against his own straw man nonsense.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

So you are giving us the intellectual falkacy of the nothing monster that created this apparent something. Is this nothing monster magic, a fairytale, or more like an invisible friend?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

You calling what preceded the big bang a "nothingmonster" is fallacious. I never posited that nothing gave birth to the universe. You just claimed i did. My real answer is i dont know. The big bang model is our best theory right now but as for what preceded it we have no idea. But we ADMIT we have no idea. Youre too insecure to do that so you hold on to the "something monster" because even a baseless imaginary god is a better explaination than "i dont know".
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

I'm going to need you to explsin your god, the nothingmonster, that created it all from nothing. Give us his/her/its attributes and explain to us how it got its magical properties and abilities.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

There is no god. Just physics, natural processes doing what they do. But if youre asking what preceded the big bang the answer is i dont know. Nobody knows. Difference between you and me is i dont pretend to know
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

would you be willing to give an example of what you mean?
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

I have not found one fallacy. Your understanding fails. It's a closed book, because you have not sought Him. Seek and you shall find, the opposite is true if you don't seek you won't find Him. Then He explains how to seek! He say seek as one who sells everything to buy a field for the pearl of great price. So it's an investment proposition, and it goes like this; You have a net worth, the field is for sale but it costs your entire network worth, but there is a guarenteed appraised pearl in the field, and its worth seven times seven times your net worth. Do you buy the field and excavate it?Do you buy the field and not excavate it?Or do you keep your net worth, and pass up the opportunity that is hidden in the field?Reading the Bible is not seeking, Jesus said to seek like hunting for treasure. Seek that way and you will find. If not, you have not!.
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: No

Ive read the bible cover to cover. 2 of every animal cannot repopulate their entire species. Then again, the world never flooded. Geologists have disproven that fully.Fallacy. Your move
Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

A closed mind learns nothing! A closed heart is hardened!