azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Just how much revenue do you think will be generated by this imposed tax on Mexican goods per year? To earn 25 billion dollars (the price of the wall) by the time the wall is built seems a little unrealistic in that respect. And how long do you think we will have to tax these imports until we earn said 25 billion dollars? It seems to me that the American taxpayers are going to have to bear the brunt of the cost of this wall while we slowly gather up the money from the tax.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

It's a good question and a worthy debate topic . Its actually incredible when one seriously hears Americans talk about building walls and also somewhat scary ,is this seriously the best way to approach the immigration problem ? What are other possible solutions that may work ? I've never before heard Americans talking about building walls despite the problem of illegal immigrants , there seems to be a shift in attitudes as this idea gains more social acceptance .Who knows if the US go ahead maybe other countries will follow most countries have problems with illegal immigrants ( we do also ) I would hate the idea of a wall though . A large proportion of illegal immigrants are actually necessary for the U S economy and that's going on US state department findings supported by PEW research .Regarding a tax for building the wall I agree with Cartmans statement on that .
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Large portions of illegals are good for what country ? Is there a reason Mexico has a fence between them and Guatemala ? Must be illegals are not good for their country !
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

For the US you idiot , can you not read now ?I've already stated your own state department admits this , how come it takes a European to educate you on what your own state departments say ?If the Mexicans have a fence and their neighbours are good for them economically so what ?How does that effect what your own state department claimed about illegal farm labour and its benefits to employers ?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Illegals are good for the US so you say but aren't they illegal ?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Your state department says :) and I also say :) ...Ahhhhh , yes they are ... illegal , isn't that what we are talking about ?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

The fence across the southern Mexican border was paid for by Americans (largely). It is MUCH shorter than a Texas,NM,AR, CA one would be. There have been FEW Mexicans coming across our border for years, more, in fact going BACK. That fence was to keep Salvadoran, etc. out of HERE, not Mexico. That was a good investment. 2000 miles of ineffective fence is NOT.It was Dubya, and his friendship with Asante Fox that brought the "dreamers" in by the thousands to "do the jobs Americans wouldn't do". NO! It was to do the jobs Americans couldn't AFFORD to do and still pay their mortgage, car, children's education, medical bills, etc. because the conservative corporate Farmers wanted cheap labor to increase their profits! The problems were caused by the ones that now want to build a "Great Wall" that will put us into GREAT DEBT ... NOT Mexico!
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Look into the demographic argument. According to Joseph Nye, millions of people wanting to add to our population gives us an advantage that China, Europe, and OECD countries as a whole don't have when facing increasing entitlements costs and falling populations. He would be for legalizing the 11 million "illegals" who are here with a crime rate far below the native population's (U.S.--22% of U.S. citizens have a criminal record; "Illegals"-2%; Legal immigrants-6%. Nye will lay out their contributions in positive terms (patents, business ownership, advanced degrees, etc.).
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

As stated in the title of the debate, the tariff on Mexican goods will increase between 5-20%. Without Mexico increasing the tariffs on the United Sates goods, the citizens of the United States would end up paying for the wall anyways. It is almost guaranteed that Mexico will increase the tariffs on the United States goods. Whether Mexico's raised tariffs exceed or meet the tariffs of the United States, neither one will have a positive impact. If President Trump starts to increase the tariffs on Mexico, Mexico will retaliate/emulate and the system "will begin to unravel." The taxing that President Trump is referring to is value-added taxes. Although President Trump is saying that these taxes are helpful, these type of taxes actually discourage imports and subsidize exports. So, I believe that the wall would be a burden to our economy, and would in the long run weaken our ties with Mexico because of the potential war between tariffs.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

The taxing that President Trump is referring to is value-added taxes. Although President Trump is saying that these taxes are helpful, these type of taxes actually discourage imports and subsidize exports.Can you explain what these sentences mean? What are value-added taxes and how do they discourage imports? How do they result in being a burden to our economy?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Building a wall and taxing Mexico for it is not a good idea. The wall would not only cut us off from Mexico physically, but also in trade. First off, the wall is considering being built because of opinions, not the facts. POTUS wants to build the wall to keep illegal immigrants out of America. He thinks they are coming across in droves, and the aliens are stealing our higher paying jobs. This is not true. To start, most aliens come to america through the air. Only a small portion come through the Mexican-US border. Also, not all people coming through the border are Mexican, they are also from Central and South America. Second, if we tax Mexico the 20%, they turn right back on us and increase their tax on us. This would cause Americans to pay more on Mexican imports. These imports include: cars, machinery, medical instruments, and agriculture. Mexico accounts for $21 billion dollars of America's agriculture being imported in. The tax would also increase the cost of cars, the cost of cars is up 2.6% anyway. Adding more tax, would make less left in our pockets. The wall is a terrible idea, not only for its physical presence but its economical presence too. The wall will cost Americans money, maybe not to build the wall, but in the increase of taxing on goods from Mexico. Our cost of some essentials like cars and some agriculture will increase causing us to pay more than we do now.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

These are pretty solid selling points, but Mexico isn't our only source of these products. in addition the governments biggest job is to protect its own people, and these immigrants hinder that ability by taking jobs and avoiding Federal taxes. While prices of Mexican imports will rise, that is a price well worth paying when considering the benefits of keeping our borders under control.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Mexico is our third largest trading partner with nearly $300 billion worth of Mexican imports coming into the US in 2015. The wall tariff would increase the cost of American manufactured goods. Vehicle parts, computers, electronics, vegetables, and oil are a few imports that could cost 20% more. American taxpayers would be paying the price for a 20% tax on all Mexican imports, not Mexico. The cost of the tariff would be passed on to US consumers, manufacturers, exporters and importers. https://www.google.com/amp/www.cleveland.com/articles/20054849/trump walltaxleavessour_tas.amp?client=safari
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Clearly said and supported! You could be more specific in what products we'd be spending more on.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

First, I'm not really against the wall. Security is security. But I am against 1) knuckleheads getting all amped up about it, 2) ignorance is bliss of all the good things that come from the cheap labor source of immigrants, and 3) all the ugly hateful rhetoric directed at foreigners or other cultures.Second, my issue with the tax is that's basically a steep tariff, and tariffs have been shown repeatedly in history to hurt economies. Trump already killed TPP, next he's going after NAFTA, and tied to that you now have this tariff on imports to pay for a stupid wall which will likely just get defeated like almost any other wall in history.We'll be looking back on this in a couple years and talking about the total folly that it all was.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

There are several issues coinciding with building a wall around the border of Mexico. Primarily these are cost, effectiveness, national image. Firstly, the Mexican border spans about 1,989 miles long, but the question isn't if it can be done but how much it would cost. It's currently estimated that it would cost $49 billion dollars with only a life span of 25 years (costing each American $140.91). Which may not seem like a lot but we must take into consideration unemployed, infants, elderly and people who simply cannot afford this which would make this price rise. There are three main faults in this idea. The wall has a beginning and an end, meaning regardless of how tall the wall is, those who want to get around it could simply go to the end and come in that way. The problem with the existing wall isn't the structure but the illegals are tunneling under it, so who's to stop them from tunneling under our $49 billion dollar wall? A wall will not stop illegal immigration (seeing to that more illegals come through Canada than Mexico). The wall is a Band-Aid on a bigger wound. If we were to build a permanent wall, it would need to be constructed so people cannot go around it, over it, or under it and would need to be constantly monitored from both sides. With that being said, the wall is idealistic for this solution, what America needs is tougher legislation on illegals, regulations on visas, and a non-tolerance for those breaking these policies.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

You didn't cite a source! What is the "bigger wound?"What would "tougher legislation" look like? Are there examples you can take from other countries?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

If we build this wall between the US and Mexico, we would be possibly eliminating one source of income to our economy. If the plan is to raise the tariffs on imports and Mexico is one country that imports goods from us then we would lose money for our economy. Also this could lead to many problems in the US because many Mexican-American families would be separated. If the plan is to use tax dollars to pay start paying for the wall, then I think that would be turned down if it came to a vote. Along with many people not agreeing with the wall being put up, many wouldn't want to spend tax dollars to have it done.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

How does separating us from a country that our economy relies on make any sense??? Let's reflect on how many times the US has done awful things like this such as Chinese exclusions, the Nationality Quotas Act, Japanese internment and closing doors to Jewish refugees fleeing murderous Nazi persecution. Building a wall will not necessarily keep anyone out or protect the US in fact this wall really does nothing except waste taxpayer money that WON'T be paid back by Mexico, despite Trump's claims.As many as half of unauthorized immigrants in the United States are people who overstay their visas, not border crossers. Barriers also result in more deaths because people try to cross the border at the most inhospitable and unwalled places.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

It is important to use the funds that would go to a wall that would only serve as a political symbol and a put a dent in our relationship with Mexico to focus on apprehending all illegal immigrants, almost half of which are already within our borders. The wall would do nothing but stir up controversy and divide our country over the issue.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

The wall will do great things for our country... Seriously open your eyes Hunter, the wall is much more than just a "political symbol". I agree with you that we should apprehend all illegal immigrants, but the wall is the only way we can do that.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

Building a border wall will have many negative effects and the wall is unnecessary. Mexico has been a beneficial factor to the United States economy and building a wall could potentially risk our relationship with them. Building a wall will divide these two nations and could cause for Mexico to feel as we are using a defense mechanism against them. Mexico could potentially raise tariffs on their goods and United States gas prices will go up. There is also the problem in how the building of this wall is going to be funded. President Trump claims that Mexico will pay for it. However, the Mexican president has outright refused to pay for the wall and he says "there is no scenario" for Mexico to have to pay for the wall. The price of paying for this wall will ultimately fall on the shoulders of the American people and will cause for an increase in taxes. This wall will cost $15-20 billion or more that the United States does not have.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

How has Mexico been a "beneficial factor?" How can you say what you mean differently? (beneficial factor doesn't roll off the tongue!)
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

What I was trying to say is that Mexico holds the resources that the United States wants. The United States imports vehicles, electrical machinery, other machinery, mineral fuels, medical instruments, fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, wine, beer, snacks and other processed foods all from Mexico. All of the things we import from Mexico add up to be over $200 billion. A lot of the things that people in the United States use on a daily basis in order to have businesses or to live a normal life come from Mexico.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

The simple idea of building a wall between Mexico and the US is much more complicated than one would suspect, yet the wall is a preposterous idea that should not be entertained. Already, the United States attempted a similar idea in 2006 with the fence that currently resides near the border. This past failure shows that this idea has failed once, and a mistake is to be learned from. In that respect, the government rested the project after a billion dollars wasted from the US people, and to compare to the 40M expected to cost of Trump's wall according to MIT researchers, the economic effect is disastrous. Additionally, supporters argue that funds will also be taken from tariffs present on Mexican goods, yet the gradual effect that this will cause is not to be taken lightly. Mexico will suffer from the increased tariffs as raise prices, eventually leaving American companies to source from other locations and cause Mexican economy to suffer further. The tax and wall are both outlandish ideas of a foolhardy president.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Can you paint a picture of American companies sourcing from other locations and cause MX economy to suffer further?
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

llegal border crossings are now actually at their lowest levels. This is in part due to improved job opportunities in Mexico. The biggest problem between the US and Mexico is drug trade. Drug cartels in Mexico utilize drug mules, tunnels, boats, vehicles, trains, aircrafts, donkeys, and couriers to get illegal drugs into America. Mexican drug cartels make an estimated $19-$29 billion a year on drug sales in the United States. Mexico is the number one foreign supplier of marijuana to the United States, and marijuana is thought to be the top revenue generator for Mexican drug cartels. The biggest problem between the US and Mexico, is the drug trade fueled by US drug demand.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.therecoveryvillage.com/drug-addiction/drug-trafficking-by-the-numbers/amp/?client=safari https://www.google.com/amp/www.cleveland.com/articles/20054849/trump walltaxleavessourtas.amp?client=safari
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

Would this wall not slow or even prevent incoming drugs and the crimanials who are smuggling them? When the original wall was established the amount of drugs confiscated dropped slightly.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

I'm totally for securing our borders, but like I said in my original post, drugs get smuggled into the US in a plethora of ways. Building a wall won't stop that. A few solution to border security requires a combination of technology, infrastructure and agents. The fact that you have a house, would that stop a burglar from coming in?https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/border-patrol-officers-us-mexico-border- wall/?client=safari
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

So let's talk about this wall.... why are we building it? Jobs. Well according to the New York Times Immigrants Arent taking jobs. So what's the true motive? Since America was first coined a "melting pot" it was supposed to be the location for economic opportunity and prosperity however in the Mexican communities are in low-wage markets. In fact, immigrants actually improve the economy the longer they stay here. So... if Mexicans arent taking jobs, and only contributing to economy through the many taxes on food and clothes and only help create jobs then maybe the wall isn't about the economy at all. In fact highly skilled immigrants is what truly keep this country running. And just a little side note 40% of Mexicans fly here and outstay their visa so unless some people take off their rose colored glasses they're just going to have to wait for the big wall in the sky to free them from the Mexicans.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/us/immigrants-arent-taking-americans-jobs-new-study-finds.html?_r=0 http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

You make a lot of claims. Slow down and show the reader some data to support them. The links help, but the reader needs a few details from the source you've found and summarize.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

I am absolutely for securing our borders and decreasing immigration. We should be able to properly vet and register immigrants to maximize their chances for success in America, give piece of mind to the American people already here, and have the immigrants perform tasks that all American citizens are required to do. With that being said, I disagree that the wall is the best solution. With the hundreds of miles of land that the wall would have to cover and the cost, there must be a more cost efficient and more effective way to secure our borders. Trump's cabinet pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security, John Kelly, has advocated for a mult-ipronged approach to border security. An example of this type of plan would be the Integrated Fixed Towers program introduced to Congress in 2016 by US Customs and Border Protection. The program uses towers mounted with many different cameras and sensors and is solar powered. The program proposes 52 towers and each would cost $145 million per tower. This program would allow human patrolmen to monitor hundreds of miles of rough terrain at once, making it very efficient in spotting any kind of activity. This type of strategy may not be as sexy, but it is preventative and actionable.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am for the wall and MX tax

I like how you don't question the opposition's intent and assert your values instead (and find common ground). You go on to offer a constructive alternative.
Debate: Building the border wall and paying with it through 20% tax
Side: I am against wall and tax

The whole reason for the implementation of the wall is for the increased security on illegal immigrants from Mexico. Trump has generalised the immigrants as," rapists and criminals". His argument is based on the accusation that all of the immigrants coming from Mexico will create an unsafe environment in our country. Even though there is a part of the immigrants that do have a criminal record it does match with his description of them. The facts show that only 6.5 to 7 percent of all these immigrants has a criminal record and have been convicted of the crime. This does not compare to the 40 percent of white males that have records and 50 percent African American males that have records, which all are US citizens.Mexican illegal detainment has also stepped up its illegal immigration capture rate from central American countries. This decreases the flow of immigrants trying to come into our country that also contributes to our assumption that the illegals coming over the border are all Mexican.  The building of the wall is not a cheap operation to carry out. The US Senate has stated that the wall could cost anywhere from 15 to 25 Billion dollars to cost. Trump has stated that Mexico will be the country to will pay for the wall in the end. He plans on doing this by implementing a 20 percent tax on all goods that are exported from Mexico to the US. Even though this is a good idea in thought but the implementation it will have on us US citizens will be big. The tax on these goods will in correlation raise the price it will cost us to purchase these goods at the stores. Mexico is our third largest trading partner with a trading total of 500 billion dollars a year. The largest export from Mexico is car parts which can be an expensive and complicated taxing process. The majority of mexican parts are not finished products but are shipped over for final assembly in the US. This will make mexican companies raise their prices so that they can make a profit making it less appealing for US companies to buy from Mexico.  The separation of two countries also goes against the general trend of globalisation. We would be fragmenting from Mexico in a way decreasing the amount of trade. The wall construction and the leaving of the TTP will decrease the flow of goods and products from what it could be.