Debate: Health Care Should Be Free
Side: Free Health Care

However, money comes into play because money has value (when it is backed up by something) and that is why you can purchase resources with money.Money has no value, as it is not a resource; it is not something humanity needs. But it does have an influence, a negative influence.Yes, but those shops and supermarkets are privately owned.And why should that change?Farmers grow food, it is delivered to food stores, from there it goes to supermarket like places from where people can go and get it. No money involved.There are many different parties operating in this.So?In a centralized economy you would have a non-private entity controlling all means of production and distributing everything.Clear bias here.You do not take into account that an economy of this style would be have to controlled and monitored, which is impossible to do.You think current economy is not controlled and monitored? It is, and since currently there is money involved it requires even more controlling and monitoring than it would otherwise. The only difference that would be would be the lack of a medium of exchange. Or are you saying easier managing of economy than the current one is would be impossible? How can something easier and simpler be impossible?It's not that I don't take into account, I take everything essential into account, it's that your opinions are strongly biased, as is very clear.The economy is not a few people doing the same thing, it is billions of people make small transactions constantly, for your system to function it would all have to be centrally controlled by a single entity.The economy is a lot of people doing different things while being in communication with each other. No money involved.The centrally controlled thing... just stupid. If you think they should then be centrally controlled then currently they are also centrally controlled. Are they currently? No.You are so biased. Once someone mentions "no money" you immediately think there is only one way it can be, and that is just so fucking stupid.You just take money out of the equation and act like nothing will change.Things would change, many things would. But not the way you like to think. It's as if you are comparing "no money" with what was in Soviet Russia, and other similar countries. In case you still haven't gotten it they had and they used money. There has never been a large society without money because the ones in control haven't allowed it to happen - it's called personal comfort, immaturity of mind, greed and stupidity and ignorance, all working together.Your entire society is based on the idea that once you take money out of the equation everything will continue, that might work in an extremely basic theory that doesn't include any sense of reality, but ok, you can use it.You actually think what you said is true? It's not, none of it is, it's all completely false.My opinions are based, it all comes down to it, on logic. What are yours based on? On books and texts you have read and taken as true without really thinking whether what you read was actually true or not. That is immature. Grow up."based on the idea that once you take money out of the equation everything will continue, that might work in an extremely basic theory that doesn't include any sense of reality" With this you are saying that money is essential for our survival as a species, and from there it is easy to draw a line to every other living organism. Do you understand how idiotic that is? If that were true then every animal on this planet should not be alive. The whole planet should be dead. Money is not what keeps us alive, is not what keeps us going.I could very easily say the same thing about your ideas and argument, considering you really can't support your view very well.Sure you could say the same but in my case it would not be true at all. As to supporting views... you have yet to do that yourself. But since logic eludes you... you can't.Marxism: A money less society with centralized means of production and common ownership. This sounds like your society, regardless of your hate for general definitions of types of economies, your idea is very similar to Marxism.Oh, now I see. This is where your bias comes from. You literally cannot think without referring to things you've read somewhere. You don't seem to have an independent mind.It doesn't promote greed.Yet it does.Just because someone is allowed to keep what they earn and not be forced to give it up does not make it greedy, its called Liberty and individual rights.You can call it whatever you want. If you have something you do not need, especially if there is a lot of that something, and never will and still don't want to give it to someone who actually does need it then it is greed. Plain and simple greed.Since universally there's no right or wrong, there's no purpose or meaning for anything none of it matters, but from our, humanity's and life's, perspective - from survival's perspective - right and wrong, what is best, are easily set and according to those money has no place anywhere.If there was no money all you needed you'd get, for free, at any time. That would prevent pointless hoarding of resources that others would have a use for but can't because they cannot "afford" it."you're a fucking drug user, probably an addict" -NummiYour drug use thing, whatever it is... This wasn't one of them." Are you fucking high? Oh, wait... you probably are." -NummiFirst I came up with "Are you fucking high?", then occurred to me the many times you've noted being a drug user, and then I came up with "you probably are".So you can go ahead shove you ridiculous drug thingy up your shithole. Biased moron (what makes this even better is that it's actually true...).When you talk about drugs you sound like Mao Zedong. Again, you're not very fond of individual rights.Talking about rights? You want to get into that too? I do not care about any rights, about any laws, or any "official" rules, because presently they are all far too messed up. So I use my own mind to view everything objectively, without having some crap as basis.You said you barley have enough for yourself, you obviously are on a computer with Internet, most likely in a house and you are not starving so you are fed. Assuming that you have shelter, food and and Internet access is not everything about your life.Wtf are you going about anyway?A computer in current society is necessary, so is internet. A place to live at and food... of course no one needs those...Everyone should be able to live a decent life. In a decent place, have healthy food, have decent clothes, and everything else. You think I have everything on a decent, sufficient level? No. Is it my fault? No. Whose then? It all comes down to money and those who from total ignorance and stupidity keep the current way alive.Way to sound pretentious.Pretentious? Yes you are.Having done a bit of research on a topic before I talk about it is not insignificant.Depends on the person. Some need to know more and still don't get it right, some need to know very little to get it completely right. This, economy, is very easy, the basics suffice.I am not blinded by my knowledge, you just assume that because I am knowledge able of historyAs I've said, somewhere. Having lots of knowledge on a subject does not make one smart. As is obvious.and disagree with you that making the correlation between being knowledgeable and disagreeing with you is logical (which it is not)This I don't see where you took... You seem to misinterpret from time to time. Shows you don't have an objective mind.You on the other hand just decided that having knowledge makes you blind and ignorant.You do misinterpret things. Thanks for clearing that out.The being blinded by knowledge was about you, not about everyone. And ignorant? Where did you take that? You simply don't have the capacity to objectively view the knowledge you have.I don't look at everything by made up rules and I question most things about the world.You mean like the seeing a comment "no money" and immediately assuming it can never work, that it is impossible for it to work? Very... "objective" indeed.Questioning is easy, form a question and it's done. But when comes time to answer...currency and liberty.So... you support greed and freedom? Currency is not of freedom, currency goes hand in hand with slavery, currency comes from greed and so does slavery. With currency there will always be people working for it, to get more of it to keep themselves alive and get a better life that in most cases will never come, and people who will use it to make other people work for them and preferably for as little as possible, none of it is freedom. Then prices go up, salaries go down, people struggle to have a decent life but the struggle itself takes away the possibility of having a decent life 'cause you always have to worry about money and how much of it you have and how much you will need, and then you get fired, or something else drastic happens - it's all a constant and never-ending mind-fuck. Then one day people wonder why they are so stressed, why they have so many health issues... it's all just so fucking ridiculous. And it just goes on and on and on. In the end all the products for everyone will be produced, there's sufficient amount of everything for everyone to have a decent life but... people don't and never will have the money to acquire a life worth all their trouble. Working for money is not a life worth existence.Most of humanity does not think about more than their everyday lives, they only see what is right in front of them, they don't look around the corners to see the real truth, thus the ignorant populace keeps the stupid system alive.