azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tunedWhat makes you believe that universe is fine tuned?There are certain physical laws according which energy and matter are interacting with each others, and the rest is just a consequence of those laws. What is so fine tuned about the universe?Is it really fine tuned that Sun will one they get cold and all life on Earth will die? Or is it fine tuned that we can get struck by an asteroid any time possible? Do you think it is fine tuned to have a myriad of different religions which possibly violently conflict with each other? Or do you believe that fine tuning is when people die in agony of cancer, Ebola, aids or murderous knife? Which part of the misery you believe is fine tuned?If your God is such a wonderful creator, why didn't he get back after 2000 years and told humans what to do as he used to? After all he terminated Sodom and Gomorrah because humans there got bad. He also killed everybody but Noah since he wasn't really satisfied how people become. Do you really try to tell that our world is such fine tuned that God is really happy with people of today, where big parts of the planet are in constant war and hatred, where millions are dying of hunger and thirst, lack of basic hygiene and medicines, where humans are used as slaves just to produce cheap bananas and t-shirts for people in west so those can spend their time arguing about goodness of the God?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Why are you talking about the Christian God? Thats not even what I am arguing about.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

What makes you think I talk about "Christian God"? Do you really believe there is like "Christian" or "Muslim" God? Try to put on your reading skills and please answer the question; what makes you believe that universe is fine tuned?To not be a prick I can clarify that I speak about any religions that humanity came up with, but you obviously are referring to Judaism and religions spun from it, since those religions are all indoctrinated with "all mighty creator" fairy tales.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I am not talking about any religion what so ever. My diction and syntax implies an intelligent creator which amibitions unknown to man. Not the religions on earth. Please. Read through all my arguments and twll me where I said Judaism.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

So wsn't I either but you seem not able to realize it. I am talking about your "fine tuned" universe which it is not, but you seem to not being able to realize it. The mere fact that there are "religions on earth" like you say which cauze suffering makes the universe not fine tuned. But maybe you live in some other universe that we other human being ar enot able to sense, so maybe that universe of yours is "tine Tunded". Your rhetorics are too shallow, and you have no arguments for your statements.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

I dont think you have a complete understanding of "rhetoric". Or syntax or diction.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You don't seem to have understanding of your own claims (not arguments since you haven't presented none yet).You still haven't answered what do you mean by "fine tuned universe". What is so fine tuned about our universe?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Practically every single atom or molecule or boson or element out there in the solar system. It all works together like a computer system.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

What you are saying is: "particles exist and interact, and that is proof of universe being fine tuned". No it is not. It is exactly analogy to saying: "orange exists, that proof god exists".
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You said that univers is "fine tuned". Tell me what is your argument that universe is fine tuned? Do you believe it is fine tuned universe if thousands of people die of a tsunami in one day? There is not much to read because you have no arguments at all; all you have are bisarre statements you don't understand properaly yourself. You don't seem to be able to understand that I have never put any words in your mouth. If I say that religion is proof of a world not being fine tuned, it does not mean that you are talking about religion. It means that your "creator" who fine tuned the universe has made stupid misstake since he created religion too. If you believe in an ultimate creator, than you have to accept the fact that he/she created everything, and thus religion too. I am not speaking neither of religions per se. You have to meditate better over what you are reading.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Fine tuned? Again you are only seeing this from a human perspective. If the Earth get hit by a apocalyptic meteor the universe is still going to do what it does. If you have studied the universe you would find it to be quite interesting and perhaps even mind boggling. Also the universe cant spawn out of nowhere.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Fine tuned? Again you are only seeing this from a human perspective. Does it mean that we humans are not part of the universe? Isn't all we created a part of universe as well. Isn't also all that matters to us a part of universe?If the Earth get hit by a apocalyptic meteor the universe is still going to do what it does. So you mean the universe is fine tuned because intelligent creator made life and also made it possible for that life to get exterminated by a giant stone falling of the sky? Or you mean the universe is fine tuned because your intteligent creator made it sure for life to exterminate one day by making Sun run out of the fuel? Is that what you are pooping out as a proof of universe being fine tuned? Why would he bother than if he was so intelligent?Once again: what makes universe fine tuned? Since you find "fine tuned" to be proof of intelligent creator I guess you should be able to at least say what is "fine tuned" in universe. If you have studied the universe you would find it to be quite interesting and perhaps even mind boggling. What do you know what I have studied or not? Do you know even who I am? How do you know I am not a proffesor in physics or astronomi? You assume too much. It is a sign of not very bright person, and your poops of claims just proof that. Also the universe cant spawn out of nowhere.How do you know that? You seem to be sure of that; is it also "obvious", just as your poop of "fine tuning?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Of course I do not know you sir. But one thing is that you said "astronomi" so I must begin to assume things. Also I havent seen anything disproving an intelligent creator of any sort regardless of what humans may think.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

But one thing is that you said "astronomi" so I must begin to assume things.Where did I said astronomi? And why would you assume that I don't know nothing about astronomi? How can word "astronomi" imply that I haven't read about astronomi? Also I havent seen anything disproving an intelligent creator of any sort regardless of what humans may think. And what proofs for "intelligent design" have you seen? :-)
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

You are avoiding the question sir.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Of course I do not know you sir. But one thing is that you said "astronomi" so I must begin to assume things. Also I havent seen anything disproving an intelligent creator of any sort regardless of what humans may think.What part of the statement is a question? Why is there no question mark there?The only one who is avoiding question is you young lady. You still haven't asnwered: what makes universe so fine tuned?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

In truth, there is only one God. There is no "Christian God" nor "Muslim God" nor any other specific religion-related God. If there is a God, he is one.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You are mainly discussing worldly issues here. They said that the universe was fine-tuned, not that the people in the world were perfect or that life is easy. You were definitely not getting the point that they were attempting to get across.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The theory of Intelligent Design contradicts itself; How can the Intelligent Designer not have been Intelligently Designed?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Simple. How do you create something that is eternal and had been eternal and will be eternal and existed during all time on an infinite scale? You cant. You cant make an eternal being. You cant make something that existed before you.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Exactly, so your intelligent design couldn't create universe since universe is eternal.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

So your argument to 'where did god come from?' is he has always existed.So he was just chilin for eternity when 1 day he thought ' it! I'll create a Universe'.Does that seem realistic?So, according to you, he always existed.This is similar to steady state theory, which says the Universe has always existed as it it, but as it expands, new matter is created in the new space to keep the Universe always looking the same.See my point?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

There are a number of philosophical arguments that allow for the existence of God. These arguments have withstood a long history of criticism and, in their current form, offer formulations that take into account this criticism and are based on the discoveries of modern science.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tuned and the laws of thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.What is your argument that fine tuned universe needs a creator? If univers was fine tuned it is still not proof that intelligent designer created it; there is no implication or equivalence between those two.What is your proof that universe is fine tuned? None of that you say has any logical ground; both are subjective statements of yours which you are not able to proof, nor even understand seems like.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Nobody has proof. That is the entire point of this debate which you seem to have failed in realizing.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Nobody has proof about what?Your claim is that universe is so fine tuned that it is obvious it has intteligent creator. If you can not proof "the obvioius" why are you than stating it is obvious? Sound ridicolous to me like everything else you pooped out in this debate.By the way, to me this debate seems to about gods existence, not about if you can proof if unieverse is fine tuned or not. Also you should maybe read arguments on other side and see how my very first post openes before you poop out accusation from your mouth what I realize or not.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

No I think you should read my initial posts. My original argument was that if matter cannot create nor destroy itself then something must bring it into existense. Also I dont think I am "pooping" out anything. I am only stating this from a more universal perspective.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

No I think you should read my initial posts. My original argument was that if matter cannot create nor destroy itself then something must bring it into existense. And what I wrote just few lines above? Exactly stating that energy conservation was your argument and it is exactly one argument that says against your claim that something has to bring it into existence. Energy conversation is not argument that "something has to bring it into existence". It is argument that universe exists on its own, eternally.No I think you should read my initial posts. My original argument was that if matter cannot create nor destroy itself then something must bring it into existense.No you don't. You are pooping claims you don't udnerstand. Explain what makes universe "fine tuned".
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You still didnt answer my question sir.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

:) what question? Where is question? In your imagination?Why didn't you answer question what makes universe so fine tuned?I think you have dicredeted youself since long time ago. You have no idea what you are talking about & you lack capability to use reason in your logic. You are just repeating some poop you have heard or read elsewhere which you even can't understand properly.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The thing about God is that we cannot find any proof that he is not there. And if one has it in their heads that they will not ever even try to believe or understand, they will not, even if they have all the proof they need around them.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The thing about God is that we cannot find any proof that he is not there.She was saying that. She meant both sides.But, that is a ridiculous concept. You are making a claim that He exists. It is up to you to provide something that shows He exists. It isn't up to us to determine everything that doesn't exist. It is impossible to disprove every imaginary being that people come up with.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I completely understand, and find your viewpoint completely respectable. Had I been in your position, I would have undoubtedly had the same opinion. I mean to tell you that I am a human of rationality. However, having looked into the Quran, I found that there are no contradictions, no vile thoughts or views. Not only that, but I found that it contained scientific breakthroughs that had only been discovered recently, while the Book had been written 1400 years back. People may complain that the scientific knowledge in the Book are too "vague", but if one has it in his mind to disbelieve, he will. One must look upon the Books (Bible, Torah, Quran) in search of truth, not anything else.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

I mean to tell you that I am a human of rationality.Instead of telling me, actually act rational.However, having looked into the Quran, I found that there are no contradictions, no vile thoughts or views. Not only that, but I found that it contained scientific breakthroughs that had only been discovered recently, while the Book had been written 1400 years back.There is a section in the Quran that tells you if any part of the Quran contradicts itself use the later portion.People may complain that the scientific knowledge in the Book are too "vague", but if one has it in his mind to disbelieve, he will.If one has in his mind that he would like to know how biological processes work in a specific manner so that he can create modern medicine, he will avoid the vague Quran.One must look upon the Books (Bible, Torah, Quran) in search of truth, not anything else.You are using books that are supposed to help you be a better person, not to deliver the truth. You are using it wrong.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

There is a section in the Quran that tells you if any part of the Quran contradicts itself use the later portion.Show me this "section". If one has in his mind that he would like to know how biological processes work in a specific manner so that he can create modern medicine, he will avoid the vague Quran.You are speaking of looking through the Quran for the creation of modern medicine, through a biological process, in a specific manner. If the Quran were to list every possible way of surgery and medicine and healing, as well as every minute detail of every single aspect of our lives, it would be an encyclopedia and not a Holy Book stating not how to do every little thing in our lives, but the morals and laws we should live by. You are using books that are supposed to help you be a better person, not to deliver the truth. You are using it wrong.Firstly, who are you to tell me how to use books, let alone Holy ones? Second, why can't being a better person be part of truth? Are you saying that being a better person is only related to "fiction", and that rational people are not good people, and don't strive to be better?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Show me this "section".-None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? If there aren't contradictions, why do you have substitutions in the Quran?You are speaking of looking through the Quran for the creation of modern medicine, through a biological process, in a specific manner. If the Quran were to list every possible way of surgery and medicine and healing, as well as every minute detail of every single aspect of our lives, it would be an encyclopedia and not a Holy Book stating not how to do every little thing in our lives, but the morals and laws we should live by.Dude, you can't defend the scientific knowledge in the Quran and also remind everyone there is no scientific knowledge in the Quran. It doesn't need to be a complete encyclopedia. Just one thing from Allah with perfect scientific detail would have been great.Firstly, who are you to tell me how to use books, let alone Holy ones?Who are you to tell me how to use books? You gave the incorrect way to use your book. Evidence: "but the morals and laws we should live by" you admitting it isn't about truth.Second, why can't being a better person be part of truth? Are you saying that being a better person is only related to "fiction", and that rational people are not good people, and don't strive to be better?I didn't say anything like that. Being a better person does not have to be based on truth. It can be, but in the case of religious texts it isn't supposed to be. They are stories to illustrate points. All I was saying is that one does not lead to the other or vice versa. I made no comment about rational people. It was actually irrational for you to bring that up.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The simulation argument is the only interesting argument for the existance of a creator, but the god that has evoled out of the DAMN bible? no way... The idea of a god has evolved throughout history and that's why the word "god" has many definitions. The god you are referring to isn't the one that came out of the bible, it's a different one, in other words it's a result of your own "self" trying to make sense of the word god itself, I just go one god further. It's a delusional state of mind, a form of mental illness...
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

We are fine-tuned to this universe. The universe is not fine-tuned to us. Evolution.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Yes, everything is awe inspiringly fine tuned. So the Universe looks as though it has been created by a supreme intelligence? And an entity amazing enough to have done that, must itself have been created by an even greater intelligence....
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Is the universe so fine tuned? To me, life seems poorly engineered. We have blind-spots in our eyes, because the veins in our eyes obstruct our vision. We have an appendix that serves no purpose except to occasionally become inflamed and kill us. Our reproductive system is mixed in with our body's sewer system. Our minds are easily deceived because they seem more tuned to surviving in the wild than living in our modern world. Is this how you would design a human being? Can you really say we are "intelligently" designed?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

A better question is..."Is what people say about god true?". Because of course god exists, at the very least conceptually. Another better question is..."Is god a matter of serious concern to us?" to which any honest thinking person who wasn't raised to be ignorant of history must answer yes. Attempting to argue that god does not exist is as pointless as arguing about whether or not there is a universe. The question is not "does the universe exist?", it is "how can we improve our understanding of the universe?"
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

A better question is..."Is what people say about god true?". Because of course god exists, at the very least conceptually.The question of whether or not god exists is equally important as it directly effects the importance of understanding god better. If god only exists conceptually, then it doesn't really matter, as god could be anything you want it to be, being a concept and all.  Another better question is..."Is god a matter of serious concern to us?" to which any honest thinking person who wasn't raised to be ignorant of history must answer yes.What exactly do you mean here? I agree with that statement but for different reasons.Attempting to argue that god does not exist is as pointless as arguing about whether or not there is a universe.Nobody is really arguing god doesn't exist as much as they are arguing that there is no reason to think so. If we are talking about reason to think something exists, it makes significantly more sense to argue against the idea of a god but not the universe. There is significantly more reason to acknowledge the universe exists then god.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

The question of whether or not god exists is equally important as it directly effects the importance of understanding god better.If we accept that god exists at least as a concept then we have moved beyond asking if god exists and may now logically progress to questions about god's characteristic qualities. You cannot logically discuss the qualities of something assumed to not exist. If god only exists conceptually, then it doesn't really matter, as god could be anything you want it to be, being a concept and all. Ideas have consequences, and thinking of god strictly as an ideological construct, this ideological construct matters alot because it affects the way us humans interact with each other. If god did not exist, god would not have major sociological implications.What exactly do you mean here? I agree with that statement but for different reasons.That's strikes me as odd. You agree with the statement for reasons different than what I have yet to explain to your satisfaction. ie you don't know exactly what I meant, but you know enough to know that you agree for different reasons. I'll be happy to discuss effects of god after you admit god exists. Start a new debate and invite me.Nobody is really arguing god doesn't exist as much as they are arguing that there is no reason to think so.If we do not first accept the premise that: "truths can be known about god", then any statement or question posed with the word god as the subject remains meaningless. If we are talking about reason to think something exists, it makes significantly more sense to argue against the idea of a god but not the universe.really? Why do you believe in "The Universe" instead of "The Multiverses" ?There is significantly more reason to acknowledge the universe exists then god.'Pantheists understand the universe as god, Do you think they believe this for "No reason"?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Ideas have consequences, and thinking of god strictly as an ideological construct, this ideological construct matters alot because it affects the way us humans interact with each other. If god did not exist, god would not have major sociological implications.Yes people also have concept of human spirit that live furhter on in bodys of those who live on, so they believed they have to eat members of the society that died. Eventually those cannibals developed mad cow desease. Yes, concepts have sociological implications. Does it prove that human spirit lives on in bodys of those who live further on if they eat up their dead ones?Just beacuse you make a claim, and discuss about it, does not make it real. Your reasoning is illogical. Even if we go along your line and say there is a concept of god, than we can also say there is a concept of universe without a god and apply your very same logic to it and implicate that it means we can reason about universe without a god which proofs there is no god. That is implication of your logic.