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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is better. Communism enslaves each individual to the community. Capitalism allows each individual to be free and independent. Communism never makes progress because individuals are not given a just reward for improving things, while capitalism constantly improves. Communism lacks the economic freedom of choice to the fullest extent possible, in Capitalism people are free to choose what they want. Communism gives the lazy as much as the hard working, while capitalism allows each individual to sell their labor, creating a result where the hardest working are rewarded in accordance to how hard they work. In capitalism each person is independent, in communism each person is interdependent, interdependence is a form of slavery. In communism people work where the central Government tells them to, while in capitalism they work where they want.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

First off, the objective of Communism is the freedom of the individual. Communism does not give the lazy as much as the hard-working, 8th Plank of the communist manifesto- Those who do NOT contribute to the collective good will not get the fruits of labor of the collective good. And you are free in a communist society because no longer will you have to live in poverty. And what do you mean by no economic freedom, there is no such thing as money in communism."In communism people work where the central Government tells them to" There is no state in a communist society and before the state disappears, everyone is the government, "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat"-A temporary dictatorship of the WORKING CLASS, until the state disappears.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Its a delusional objective...because the centralization of industry elimates the freedom of choice to buy what one wants, and work where one wants. Added it may not reward anything to those who give no contribution, but it gives no reward for how much one contributes.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

No that does not happen. You can choose what you want to be according to your skills. You will get everything you want if you work. For example, if you are A builder, you get food from the farmer, healthcare from the doctor and education from the teacher, why? Because you made them a house or did something for them. If you did something for Steve Jobs, you will get an IPod if your worked enough. You can choose who you will work for or maybe you will work for everyone altogether but the people you serve must give you something in return. Obviously, people who don't work don't get anything. And this means you can get what you want depending on how much you work for.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Without supply & demand to detemine wages, some industries would have a shortage of workers while others would be in surplus of workers...that would force some kind of central authority to tell people where to work...& that is why in every classless country ever created people were not able to choose where they wanted to work.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

That would probably not happen because it is easy to put a limit on how many workers can work in a factory. Even if it were true, it is very possible for people to switch jobs if their skills are suitable enough. There are always solutions. You could always open up a place where you fix things and then get ore workers to come in and help your work place become a factory. That sounds like capitalism except the Proletariat control the means of production. Communism can be broken down to different branches(in my opinion) And so long each version follows the 10 planks of the communist manifesto it can be considered as a type of Communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Even if a central authority didn't tell people where they have to work they still would not be able to choose to work where they wanted to, because without supply & demand to detemine wages, some industries would have a shortage of workers while others would have a surplus of workers...A result of that would be that it would force many to work harder then others for the same amount. That is why people are payed different to begin with...its an incentive to work harder.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

there is supply and demand except we determine wages by the effort and there is no such thing as money.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Why would there be no such thing as money? Money gives people choices...at least there could be some choice in your system...but, no...And supply and demand in capitalism does determine wages by effort...the rate people are payed is based on the incentive required to get them to do the job or learn the skills to do the job. And if you claim you support a system where people are payed different then you support socialism not communism...communism is classless socialism
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Money as a currency does not exist, things will be fairer this way, almost no poverty and no unemployment, and of course no economic crises, crises can end in two ways for sure, no money or same currency for every country. Actually you have more opportunity without money, because you can work and get something for your hard work. If you have no money you can starve. In communism you can so easily work for you food. Unlike Capitalism which does not guarantee employment.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Why the hell would you want a collective good? Those who do NOT contribute to the collective good will not get the fruits of labor of the collective good.Next sentence you say  And you are free in a communist society because no longer will you have to live in poverty.Then what the fuck happens to the lazy? Do they get exterminated? Deported? Jailed?Communism is a fat contradiction. Stalin and many others have already proved that Communism does not work.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Nothing will happen to them they did not work and will not get rewarded because they did not represent any labor to be rewarded for. Unfortunately, you do not know that the USSR was not communist and what about the villages in Spain, and North America? They run by a communist economic system.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

And the ideology of your swastika? Did something better than communism?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Yeah, because his avatar is a Swastika he MUST be a Nazi, right?Grow up.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Capitalism is always distorted by the left into this selfish mentality that all you crave is money. Capitalism begins with the right of private property. It means the separation of state and the economy, in the same form that the state does not control religion. It is a system in which mans actions are voluntary, and not forced, they are free to comply or not, based upon their own convictions and values, not upon what the state believes is in the best interest of the "greater good"
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

If capitalism is better than communism, then why did the major capitals (UK, U.S., USA) live on the economic crisis? Which is why there is this crisis depressing? Why capitalist countries are on the verge of bankrupt? Was it because the working class will don't want working or the monopoly guy want to take care of money? Capitalism living in money and exploiting the working class! This is the biggest flaw of capitalism. If capitalism is freedom, then freedom is just a theory. So it is better to say that the capitalist world live in a dictatorship and not a democracy!
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

umm can you name one prosperous communist country, o wait me neither! you call this economic crises in the free world, i agree. but the last "successful" communist country russia collapsed in economic turmoil due to communism. also it would be suprising to you to know that much of our turmoil is government caused. for instance our deflating dollar and realestate bubble pop. caused by the wonderful FED printing money out of thin air with out any support value faster than i can pass go in monopoly after rolling double ones. the housing bubble pop, the cause of fannie mac and banks loaning credit to bad buyers from encouragement by our great government. i agree capitalism has many problems. but in a imperfect world i must pick the lesser of two evils, that is capitalism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

There is no such thing as a communist country because communism is a stateless society. Russia, North Korea and Cuba are/were not communist. Name at least three facts that makes communism evil.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

that is the first time i heard a communist say communist society is stateless, i believe you meant to say classless as communist believe in a no income class society since the laborers are supposed to receive their fruits equally. communist believe firmly in a state, hence the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is evil because last time i checked tyranny was not a favored government style. Second the violent overthrow of the merchant classes and capitalist through a "global revolution" is not a peaceful matter what so ever. And third, communist are fervently against diversity and freedom of religion, and also last time i checked, i enjoyed my personal liberties to be an individual person. Yes those three countries were communist, just not as you liked them to be, but they are an important lesson for us to learn here, where ever communism has been tried or implemented, it fails into a horrible humanitarian crisis. you may be the peaceful, hey shit should be shared type, and thats great for you, i would much rather prefer a peaceful more modern communist then a lets kill the richman and throw a coup kind of Marx's time period.finally, I hope one day you will see the futile effort of your crusade to rid the world of the exact capitalist that produce your jobs, innovate our society with advance technology, and help keep a free world democracy.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Cuba is not communist, it is ruled by the commmunist party, and the living standrds there are not bad actually, commmunism as a stste never existed as a state but it did exist as villages. It is not against personal freedom, it actually aims for personal freedom.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

well, back in the USSR, during the 1930'… no economic crisis, but a fast economic growth thanks to industry. meanwhile in any other developped countries the economic crisis strikes : unemployment, bankruptcies etc. as you said, capitalism has many problems, and do not pretend that communism is the answer, but we could think to an alternate way of living, of producing, a "hybrid" model.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Want to know why? Because no country has truly free Capitalism. Capitalist are in bed with the government or vice versa. Until a country can produce a true example of capitalism and absolutely free trade. Capitalism will always have a bad name.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

This is completely correct. It is the big government policies and regulations that restrict the economy. Big government wastes so many dollars of taxpayers money it is laughable really. And people forge that the rich people are the job creators, the wealth creators. The next 4 years will make or break the US of A. The debt will double if Obama stays in power, and the government will expand to an uncontrollable level. It is becoming quite Randian really.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

You see, I do understand your reasoning for being a crapitalist, however crapitalism is only good for the people who are privileged and wealthy (Usually Straight White Males). The people of lower class and minorities can't always control their oppression in a capitalist government, which is why communism is a good alternative for everyone. everyone is treated equal, no more, no less. I feel that the people who don't like communism are typically narcissists who think they deserve more than everybody else.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

To the extreme either system of distribution is doomed to failure due to human nature.Some utopian change in human nature, or an over abundance of all necessities coupled with some end to the need for undesirable labor (labor people tend not to want to do, like dig ditches), would lead to communism as a more desirable system when we are speaking of the extremes.As it is, in order for the majority of humans to have a desire to contribute to their society, it requires incentive. Financial gain is the incentive that works best at this point it would seem.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

To the extreme either system of distribution is doomed to failure due to human nature.So the only way to fix this is to have non-humans make decisions for us.kkk.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Not necessarily, you could always grow up in a different society-based on helping- it is almost a fact that your attitude is related to the type of society you live in. That is not the only way of course but it can help.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

To the extreme either system of distribution is doomed to failure due to human nature.Can you please clarify what you mean by “human nature?” I will say that I agree that either side of the communism vs. capitalism debate taken to the extreme is doomed to failure. But I think I would disagree with you on the cause of such a failure depending on how you view human nature.I believe that we are simply born into a corrupt system, and any attempt at adjusting to that corrupt system only makes someone corrupt. Not because it’s in our nature to be corrupt, but because it’s in our nature to react to stimuli in order to survive.Do you believe that it is in humans’ nature to be greedy or competitive or whatever? Or do you think it’s in our nature to react to a situation in order to survive. If the former, than I can see why you would think human nature is the cause of the systems failure. If the latter, I find it hard to see how that would be a cause to the failure but rather a symptom to something more fundamental within the system itself. Some utopian change in human natureI don’t think anyone is suggesting a “utopian” change to anything, just a more productive/ethical change to the system that is currently in effect. I don’t believe we will ever be perfect, but there’s no sense in trying to submit to a system that doesn’t work or that only benefits a select few when there are far better methods.an over abundance of all necessities coupled with some end to the need for undesirable laborIndeed, scarcity is the issue. And it’s even scarcity that creates some of those undesirable jobs. At any rate, and this is just my opinion, I believe technology is the method for bringing about such a change. That, and a drastic change in incentive and fellowship. As it is, in order for the majority of humans to have a desire to contribute to their society, it requires incentive. Financial gain is the incentive that works best at this point it would seem.Yes, as unfortunate as it is, I agree that financial gain is the fabricated incentive of our time. And even more unfortunate that a catastrophe is required to bring us together and see new incentives, namely the simple selfless incentive of the well being of our fellow human.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Of course people will say we are greedy, but live and have been brought up in a society based on competition. But if we lived in a society based on helping, we would be naturally humanitarian.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

I get it so if you brainwash people not to reward themselves with self enjoyment they'll give all that they have worked hard for to someone else who hasn't earned it.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

As opposed to brainwashing people to think only for themselves and not the collective?What is wrong with a community that works hard for the well being of every individual instead of encouraging the individual to step on heads in order to scramble to the top of a collapsing pyramid?
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

There are a lot of generous people in capitalistic countries...just because they want a reward for their labor does not mean they are not generous. And I guess in your ladder analogy you are referring to the race to the top, sometimes called "the rat race". Well it isn't really the Governments jobs to encourage people to do that.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

There is no point of putting that argument because even i Communism you get rewarded for contributing to the collective good.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

"in Communism you get rewarded for contributing to the collective good." But you don't get rewarded for your labor...A doctor gets paid the same as a burger flipper.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

no you don't I already argued against that look for my argument, and there is no money in communism by the way.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

NO, I am saying that people son't have to be naturally greedy.......And people do get rewarded in Communism.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

this shouldn't even be a debate. factual every other communist society besides the two we still have today have all failed. communism has factual led every country to poverty. communism is one of the most unmotivating systems ever. why would i go be a doctor when i could sweep floors and still live the same life? drive and motivation is what encourages people to work hard and better themselves. the reward you get from something determines how much effort you will put into it and communism just creates a lazy country. it sounds nice on the outside but it cannot work in a country like the USA. there's too many selfish people that want to be better than you.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Those are not even communist societies. There has never been a communist society. Communism calls for a STATELESS society. Oh and by the way. You don't get paid the same. I am tired of saying this- 8th plank of the Communist Manifesto, those who do not contribute to the collective good will not receive the fruits of labor of the collective good, this is obviously stating that you need to work to survive. So all of your arguments are misconceptions. Oh and for that greed argument- If you live in a bad society where based on wants and competition, you will be greedy , if you live in a society based on helping you will be humanitarian.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism is a form of government NOT a society. Stop trying to make comparisons with what is humans interacting with one another (society) and humans governing one another (government). Commies like to use wording to make it seem like the people run the show when it's a person running the show.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

there is no government in a communist system. And humans interact with one another very often because what you do benefits the people that are working with you. there is no one running the show, if you knew what communism is you would know that at first it is governed by EVERYONE until the state disappears. I case you mention dictators, let me remind you they were no good, real communist and the countries they ran were not communist either.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

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Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

Communism is flawed. If everyone is equal- there cannot be a leader. without a leader a society cannot operate. Therefore a leader is needed and it contradicts itself.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

@deabteleader "communism ... no more wars over land" !! except the Chinese Civil War. "kids won't die for pointless reason ... mostly poverty related" !! except the Vietnamese famine. "kind of like Democracy" !! except the population don't get to vote.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Those countries were not communist, communism has never existed, I hear the same arguments over and over again and they are flawed because they think those countries were communist when they were not. Heard of "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat"? That is when the working class takes over the state until the state disappears.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

At the end of the day, neither side is really 'free'. Both sides depend on people working, it's necessary to maintain any form of social or economic structure. But, in communism, you're not motivated at an individual level for the work that you do, whereas in capitalism, the ideal is that the harder/better you work, the more you receive from the community. Not only would I work better in this model, but I feel it is better at motivating the group, and developing society.One of the main issues I do have with Capitalism is the difference between self interest and collective interest: they're hardly the same in many cases. That's why a mixed economy is needed, and where I feel that government interest is justified.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

That is the same argument which states that you get paid the same, however, according to the 8th plank of the communist manifesto by Karl Marx, Those who do not contribute to the collective good will not receive their share from the fruit of labor from the collective good . So you see, those who work will get rewarded accordingly. and if you think that Capitalism gives more motivation than Socialism, then I would like to point out that Socialist countries like Cuba, have more doctors per capital, and the fact that Socialist countries have lower unemployment rates, in fact one of the world's lowest unemployment rates.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

What do you really know about Cuba?You have to bring your own blanket to a hospital so run down and nasty you are more likely to die of an infection acquired there than if they performed surgery in your own home.I know many Cubans who have family there. They will tell you the abject poverty those poor people live in. If Capitalism is primarily driven by greed, then Communism is driven by envy. As communist countries either go capitalist or fail time and again... it amazes me that people still believe in it with a damn near religious fervor. Actually... it IS religion to many people and we should treat it as such.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I know a lot about Cuba. It guarantees free healthcare and education. I know so, I have been there, I am Cuban.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

And what you said is false. Cuban doctors are great and they have invented the lung cancer vaccine, what you know is false and is the type of arguments you expect from Fox news.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

Just because you have to work does not mean you are not free, if you don't work. If the farmer does not do his job then who will supply the builder with the strength to work? Life itself is about working, not all the time of course.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

If you have to do anything, you are not free to make your own decision. I don't think it's inherently bad, but I think it's true.
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Capitalism

stop spamming dude. Like seriously your just sad that your capitalist grandfather touched you gently .
Debate: Capitalism VS Communism
Side: Communism

I don't have a capitalist grandfather. I am not spamming I am arguing.