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Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Let's take it one step at a time, shall we? We have jobs. Having a job makes sure I'll get paid. Getting paid makes sure the girl at the supermarket won't call the cops to inform a theft, so I can sit back and drink my hard-worked-for coffee and watch my favorite show on my screen. So far so good.Wikipedia tells me that outsourcing is often made in the interest of lowering firm costs, now - if the firm would have paid her workers in relation to profit, outsourcing would be a definite fair game, since an abundant place like the US could help other poor countries around the world with money and those countries could aid the US with more manpower, most likely even a better manpower.But the system doesn't work that way. The first advice I have ever heard from the stock exchange field is "Buy low, Sell high", this is a typical capitalist saying. Get as much information as possible, prophesy the cheapest way to get best results, and sell it to suckers.For an existing and successful firm, the advise would be - figure out a way to produce the (even if only allegedly) same product, with less expenses.Wasn't the system built by the big boys upstairs, in order for them to keep their seats? If not financially, how else can a man declare himself, to himself and close relatives and friends, the he IS the alpha male?
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Outsourcing and free trade 'level the playing field': the end result will be that workers anywhere in the world will be paid similar wages. Our standard of living will be lowered to raise the standard of living in the poorest countries. At some level this may be "fair" but it isn't playing by the rules we've been following thus far.In the meantime, big business will be enriched beyond reason, just as oil companies continue to enjoy record profits.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

While I agree we need to help encourage economic growth and development in the third world the current model of outsourcing and investment isn't a stable or good thing. The people that win big are the already wealthy minority of the world. They are able to decimate their competition by providing goods and services at reduced prices. Where they don't have much competition (or when their competition has already been wiped out) they can provide goods and services at the same or a higher price but for a lower cost to them.This amounts to one of the grandest capital buffets the world has ever known. The wealthy are getting wealthier at an astounding rate, while at the same time the lower and middle classes are barely keeping pace with inflation (and there is much indication that that isn't even the case anymore).The poor in third world countries see their resources pillaged, their environments ravaged, and their governments under the control of multinational corporations. They cannot unionize, their children work in sweatshops, they are killed if they try to protest or resist, they live on subsistence (or below subsistence) wages, and their local produces are easily run out of business by the cheap, efficient, and quality products of the western industrialists. Of course, they are being modernized, progress. Our own workers are being pressed on both sides. They are losing their jobs and wages to inflation and outsourcing, so they have to purchase those same cheap goods from companies that stole their work and status. A worker who lost his or her manufacturing job to overseas labor will go and shop at Wal-Mart, which is helping this process along, because they are compelled to do so. They have to purchase as cheaply as possible because of their increasing poverty.It's always funny when those on the other side label this non-choice as a vote, as if the worker is voting in favor of these practices simply because they have to buy as cheaply as possible.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

I'm just beginning to explore this subject because I and family members have been victims of companies leaving the U.S. for cheaper labor. Now let me think about this - we outsource jobs to other under developed countries so they can make a living and eventually buy our products. So Americans lose their jobs, and have to buy other countries crap while their export terr ifs are slim to nothing. Oh, in the mean time, we produce nothing for foreign counties to actually import from us! And perhaps a reminder - America is literally crumbling: our schools, sewers, bridges and health care, etc. I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box, but come on America, are we "stupid or something?"
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I accept that outsourcing does aid wealth generation by those who already have wealth, but the resource pillaging, environmental ravaging and monopoly synthesizing of the world is not driven by outsourcing. Consider this, the demand for a product is increasing, and therefore more resources will be consumed producing the product. It doesn't matter where the resources come from, they will still be used, and so outsourcing is not generating all this environmental damage and resource consumption, it's already there. One even could argue that outsourcing is protecting American natural resources and instead ravaging someone else's.Also, places like Walmart exist because, in it's early days, someone bought products from Walmart, before it closed down other manufacturer's factories, and thus outsourcing did not force the consumers to buy, but once it began, it became self reinforcing. So the original choice was still by the consumer.Moreover, the rich have always been getting richer, throughout history, it has been the case. Nothing short of revolution will ever, or ever has, reversed this stream. Only by playing into the pockets of the super wealthy can extremely poor nations hope to gain some semblance of prosperity
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

"I accept that outsourcing does aid wealth generation by those who already have wealth, but the resource pillaging, environmental ravaging and monopoly synthesizing of the world is not driven by outsourcing. Consider this, the demand for a product is increasing, and therefore more resources will be consumed producing the product. It doesn't matter where the resources come from, they will still be used, and so outsourcing is not generating all this environmental damage and resource consumption, it's already there. One even could argue that outsourcing is protecting American natural resources and instead ravaging someone else's."You are absolutely correct in noting that outsourcing alone is not causing massive economic destruction and global warming. However, it is making matters much worse, worse than they could be. Remember, it takes several times less energy to manufacture and transport a doll a mile away than it does ten thousand. All of that travel means CO2 production, which is a prime component of global warming.Also, companies are purposely going to nations that do not have as stringent environmental regulations (or ones they can bully into deregulating such things) as the United States and the E.U. What companies get away with in China with regards to pollution would find it much more difficult (if not impossible) to do so in the States. You know that, I am sure. "Also, places like Walmart exist because, in it's early days, someone bought products from Walmart, before it closed down other manufacturer's factories, and thus outsourcing did not force the consumers to buy, but once it began, it became self reinforcing. So the original choice was still by the consumer."Then your argument is valid until 1990, I am afraid all of the customers born after outsourcing began or those who shopped before it began and continued cannot be, logically, forced into supporting outsourcing simply by their purchase. "Moreover, the rich have always been getting richer, throughout history, it has been the case. Nothing short of revolution will ever, or ever has, reversed this stream. Only by playing into the pockets of the super wealthy can extremely poor nations hope to gain some semblance of prosperity"There have been periods where wealth distribution has been either equalized or more evenly distributed. There have been periods where the middle and lower classes started to close the gap, due mostly from extensive government programs, regulations, and progressive taxation."Only by playing into the pockets of the super wealthy can extremely poor nations hope to gain some semblance of prosperity"That has never, ever been true. What usually happens is the wealthy have their run of things for awhile, then a Roosevelt, a Lenin, a Chavez, a Castro...etc..etc...will rise to power and either openly revolt or enact reforms.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Yes it takes more energy to ship goods when they are manufactured overseas, however equally, it may bring the producer closer to the consumer. Consider American Jobs being outsourced to Mexicans. Many of the consumers in Florida and Texas are now much closer to the source of goods than if they had been manufactured in Illinois. Furthermore, employment is generated in maritime occupations, if the goods do travel vast distances. Moreover, although companies do get away with extensive pollution in developing economies like China, once these economies mature, anti pollution acts and stringent environmental regulations begin to be stringently enforced, as wealthier, more literate citizens become increasingly aware of health risks associated with pollution. So if we do raise the standards of living in developing countries, it follows that eventually they will become more environmentally regulated and thus will eventually impose restrictions. However as long as the poverty remains, people will sacrifice their environment to pursue wealth.Yes, it means all those after about 1990 who buy outsourced goods are less liable, however, just as children must deal with the choices of their parents, the youth must deal with the mistakes of their elders. The youth are still responsible, albeit less so, for the mistakes of the past generation.In respect to "There have been periods where wealth distribution has been either equalized or more evenly distributed. There have been periods where the middle and lower classes started to close the gap, due mostly from extensive government programs, regulations, and progressive taxation", The redistribution of power has always been radical. Wealth, in both the feudal and capitalistic sense, has been self aggregating, and so unless we adopt a model where wealth does not aggregate, it is unlikely that inequality can be eliminated. Furthermore, as shown by the great Soviet experiment, even with a centralized, distribution service, wealth still manages to aggregate within the upper echelons of society.It has never been true prior to our great age of globalization, but if we look at how China has come to the fore relatively recently in terms of economic prowess, it has effectively been through employment as the American industrialist's candy store, supplying almost whatever was demanded, including cheap sweatshop labour. And yes, a Roosevelt, a Lenin, a Chavez, a Castro may come along, but they come through radicalism, but political power is achieved through the barrel of a gun. While reform did occur, wealth eventually re aggregated into a new ruling echelon.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

You do make a good point with regards to Mexico, to a certain extent. Of course, Mexico only makes up a part of the outsourcing trend. Am I to understand that you are concerned about the environmental impact of outsourcing to far-away nations?As for increasing environmental standards in developing nations; that may be true but there are some aspects to that argument you left out. The damage done before these regulations are made and enforced has been and will be massive. We've seen pollution levels in countries such as China and India beyond imagination. Thousands to millions have been harmed or killed by complications arising from the truly horrific environmental standards of countries like China. We no longer have the luxury of slow-moving environmental standards, of the kind the U.S, Canada, and the E.U. have enjoyed. The scale of industrial development is far beyond what has occurred at any one time in the past, and the types of byproducts being produced are doing immeasurable harm already. Global Warming and environmental contamination are not things we can wait decades to slow or stop. So while China may eventually have standards that are up to par with their environmental situation it will be long after severe and perhaps irreversible damage has been done. Through regulations, laws, and policies in our own country we are either going to have to halt outsourcing to those countries or put high tariffs or taxes on goods produced through ways that are overly detrimental to the environment. Either we stop outsourcing or force them to adopt sufficient environmental policies. Neither China, it's people, or the rest of the world can afford to wait for a non-democratic, slow-moving bureaucratic government to act on these matters. You are still ignoring the lack of choice for many people on small, fixed incomes. They can either starve or go otherwise wanting or purchase goods that fulfill their needs at their budget but indirectly support harmful practices. People voice their direct opinions by vote, not dollars. No matter how people spend their money they are going to be indirectly supporting harmful practices or practices they do not agree with. The other points are going to get into whole new areas of discussion, we may have to make new debates about those. God knows I'd love to, but this debate is already huge in scope.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

baaaaaaaad... Come on there is nothing good about it for the ecomomy i,no matter how you look at it takes jobs and american cash flow away. Corp money is not cash flow it stays in the banks. Next!
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

The question isn't whether outsourcing of jobs is good or bad for America, the question is whether outsourcing itself is good or bad.For many Americans, outsourcing is a bad thing. For others, it's a good thing. More importantly, for the world outsourcing is a positive as it lowers trade barriers and enocurages devlopment of underdeveloped countries.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

The outsourcing of American jobs to foreign countries cannot possibly be good for our economy. Taking jobs away from well-educated Americans and giving them to well-educated people of India, just because the people of India are willing to work for less, is not the right way to handle this situation. The only people that such outsourcing benefits are the already-wealthy corporate businessmen of America, and it takes away opportunities for honest, hard-working Americans to get a good job. Certainly, if the workforce is not available in the US, then the people of India should be given the opportunities. But American-based companies serving America should first turn to the American people for their workforce. The unemployment rate is more important than the salaries of corporate tycoons.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

Well-educated Americans? Yea, there are, but few. Mal-edukado, a lot....Those are Americans who does not want to listen, getting personal with the customer service agents with accents. English may not be our mother tongue, we speak multi languages. For example, Americans loves items on sales but doesn't know how to read simple instructions whatsoever. The keyword is SELECTED ITEMS. Like, 20% disc on selected items, but they would insist that they are supposed to get disc on items they want. If they cant get it, they would gone mad. People from other countries are laughing for you guys,,,do not think you all are GOD...
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

America is the global leader and no. 1 country in the world. Bitch like you who live in third world country can only feel jealous on our country.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Good

We won't be for long when all american workers are living in poverty from lack of jobs and income.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I think you are being a rude lil Asian. While I wasnt born in America, I love it. Its has given me ample opportunity and majority of the people are very kind and helpful, except the VERY few who have an attitude like you (acting like God). Your own words speak for themselves about yourself. They have a right to want the jobs they have created themselves to stay in the country. Those jobs have helped raise middle class in India , China, Mexico, Brazil, Indonesia and many more places. Americans like to help people, but its people with your attitude against them, and with the countries they try to help that speak against them or use unfair tactics in return that they dont like. Majority of Americans are educated, your comment is demeaning, for your English is not that good, are you educated? Many countries dont get that opportunity to be educated on any level, so they feel blessed, not Godly. Just because you obtain your opinion based on a few comments, doesnt mean you should "generalize" an opinion about an entire nation. I think they should bring their jobs home to raise their economy back to where they were before they started helping other countries, because its obvious to many that many people in these countries are not appreciative, you being one of them. It is frustrating not to be able to call somewhere and understand the person speaking on the other line. And the comprehension of the problem by the foreigner is often times wrong, complicating ths issue. Obviously you or someone you know works for them and you feel your job being threatened by other people on this forum. Walk in their shoes. I appreciate your opinion and being someplace "free" where you can express that opinion,but you dont need to demean an entire people this way..I am sure they can find fault with your country too, none of us are perfect are we? By the way your profile is "bragging" you are a nice person, but your comments dont appear to show that. Have an opinion, but dont disrespect others. I respect you as a person, get to know Americans, most of them are very nice.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

Ok, so first of all, most Americans fall for the trick that when you get an item on sale, you pay less. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! You pay what you are supposed to pay after sale. $35.77 with 20% off a C.D.The Corparate America Outsources everything you use. There are maybe 10 million educated Americans in th U.S, And I DONT THINK IM GOD!!!!!!!!
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

I like my job. I speek english. I don't want my job going to another countries. And I don't want people who cant communicate to me what needs to be done on my computer, or my phone, or my sterio trying to help me fix it.Additionally, the unskilled worker in america (ie: the average american) is finding it harder and harder to find work because their job are going over seas.
Debate: Outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries: Bad or Good?
Side: Bad

The United States has lost a vast amount of jobs to foreign countries. Large corporations have cut jobs in the U.S. and moved them overseas to decrease their annual operating expenses, which you can't blame them because they are making decisions that will better their corporations. However, despite bettering their company from a monetary standpoint, the problem in this model is that corporations do not care about the United States—as a country. When the board members of a company meet to make decisions to cut jobs or increase productivity within a company, they are not thinking about what’s best for the country, rather they are driven by decisions that best reflect the interest of shareholders.Decisions made today by corporate America are based on greed, because all they care about is the price per share earnings ratio to sky rocket. Upper executives do not have the capacity to make sound moral decisions that will lead to an outcome that will suit the best interest for the workers that have dedicated 30 to 40 years of their lives for the company.This is the double-edge sword of capitalism and it’s killing the U.S. economy. In 2004, the Midwest U.S. alone lost 7,555 in a matter of three months in 2004—almost all to Mexico. This number is part of the 2.7 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2000 in the United States. Think of the economic ramifications these job losses have created, everything from paying on mortgages on homes to buying goods—severe effects trickle their way down the economic ladder. Compare this 2.7 million loss since 2000 to General Motors situation in present day 2008. The government announced this past week that if General Motors fell it could put the U.S. into a severe Recession or Depression, with the loss of 2.5 million jobs total (manufacturing, assembly, tiered suppliers, dealerships, etc). Anyway you look at it, the exchange of money from individual to business to business declines dramatically with these job losses.I’ll keep it simple and finish up for everyone. Because of our job losses in the manufacturing and assembly sectors, this has led to auxiliary losses in other sectors and our country has become less self-sufficient in correlation to other countries, which now have those “U.S.” jobs. In other words, if you don’t make anything, then you are not appealing to trade with, and eventually countries will not trade with you. Adding to this, the U.S. is still the number one consuming country in the world—number one in imports vs. (China #1 in exports). Furthermore, if we are not making anything in our country to sell to other countries, then a trade imbalance or deficit has been created. We are already in debt as a country and the U.S. is currently borrowing money from other countries to pay for a bailout, sparked by the sub-prime mortgage crisis.I found this documentary to be very interesting. Take a look at what Warren Buffett and David Walker are saying: http://www.iousathemovie.com/