azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

No, you don't understand what an ad hominem attack is. Insulting someone is not necessarily an ad hominem. Ad hominem is when you insult someone instead of addressing the argument in question.I wanted you to understand your hypocrisy for criticizing Pineapple for not using accepted debating technique and then doing the same thing to an even greater degree.How exactly did she falsely accuse the country of anything? She, along with anyone else who would want to, cannot marry someone of the sex due to the opinion of religion. I think that would qualify as religious oppression. Oppression: unjust or cruel exercise of authority or powerA religion is unjustly exercising its authority by forcing everyone in the country to heed by it's teachings. Your church specifically I might add was primarily responsible for the passage of Proposition 8 due it's significant funding of an intolerant and fear-mongering campaign."I don't plan on adding a reason because it's so obvious."I think this is your biggest problem. You accept everything your parents, priest, etc. tell you and don't even look for reasons because "it's so obvious."
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"Ad hominem is when you insult someone instead of addressing the argument in question."Well in that case I'm not guilty. If anything I'm the one that tried to tell people how ridiculous it is to do that. "How exactly did she falsely accuse the country of anything?"By saying that this country allows oppression. It does not. Yes it has in the past. But nothing to that degree is going on right now. "Your church specifically I might add was primarily responsible for the passage of Proposition 8 due it's significant funding of an intolerant and fear-mongering campaign."Intolerant? Fear mongering? How so? "I think this is your biggest problem. You accept everything your parents, priest, etc. tell you and don't even look for reasons because "it's so obvious.""Okay maybe it was a lame thing to say, I guess the ad homonym is contagious. But if I wasn't looking for a reason then I would go with the flow, not go to church, and do what is easy. Does that sound familiar to you? "Oppression: unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power"I guess then, that I am being oppressed by you two double teaming me on every freaking debate.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

"I'm the one that tried to tell people how ridiculous it is to do that. "That may be, but you just practiced ad hominem against Pineapple."By saying that this country allows oppression. It does not. Yes it has in the past. But nothing to that degree is going on right now."Saying that this country allows oppression is a false accusation? You need to read over American history again. The slaughter of Native Americans, slavery, segregation, Japanese internment camps are all particularly relevant. The degree of oppression is impossible to quantify and totally irrelevant. Any amount of oppression is completely and totally unacceptable. It is a fact that due to religious opinions in this country, same-sex marriage is illegal. While this may not be as severe as slavery, that does not take away from the fact that it is oppression caused by religion and therefore is religious oppression."Intolerant? Fear mongering? How so? "You want to see a fear mongering campaign? I was hoping you would ask.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp76ly2_NoI If you can watch that video and tell me it is not using scare tactics and intolerance, then I am done debating you clearly we cannot agree."Okay maybe it was a lame thing to say, I guess the ad homonym[sic] is contagious."Every time you criticize your opposition it is not an ad hominem. I responded to every one of your points and criticized something you said. And no it does not sound familiar to me. I did not follow any religious traditions as a child and I don't believe I even was told of my parents political affiliations until I had formulated my own opinions. Additionally I am more liberal than both of my parents, and I have changed their minds on many issues, while they have never changed my positions that I can recall."I guess then, that I am being oppressed by you two double teaming me on every freaking debate."Quit belly-aching. I personally relish debating when outnumbered, but it should not make it any more difficult. If your arguments are valid, they will stand against an infinite number of people. There are other conservatives on this website and it is not our fault if they are too afraid to come to your aid.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"Saying that this country allows oppression is a false accusation? You need to read over American history again. The slaughter of Native Americans, slavery, segregation, Japanese internment camps are all particularly relevant."Thats exactly why I said "going on right now". Do you remember that? Or do you have selective reading? As for the video, I see where you are coming from with the 'fear mongering'. But the thing is, everything in that video is true. If I don't want my kids being taught that homosexuality is normal or okay why should I have to worry about it? I believe that it is wrong. In a democracy if the majority believe that something is wrong then it is fair. The minority can get over it or move to another country. Instead of fear mongering and saying that religion is bad because it will oppress you.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

You said she should not accuse the country of oppression and I was pointing out that our country has a history of it. And as I said even though past oppression may have been worse, it does not take away from the oppression now. But you failed to respond to that point, typically.No everything in that video is not true. Proposition 8 had nothing to do with schools or children. As I said in another recent post, under California law parents can remove their children from any health or family lesson. Proposition 8 did not even mention kids or adoption or education."In a democracy if the majority believe that something is wrong then it is fair. The minority can get over it or move to another country."Once again you demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the Constitution. If you had a true or false question, "Is America based on majority rules?", the answer would be false. The system is set up with majority rules and minority rights with the latter not being an afterthought. The founders specifically set it up that way to avoid the kind of oppression that they experienced in Great Britain. The majority does not have the legal right to oppress the minority. Morally I strongly disagree with you that the oppressed minority should just "get over it or move to another country." Should the slaves have just gotten over it? But of course morals are opinions so neither of us is right. Legally, however, you couldn't be more incorrect.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Jake, you're misquoting me now. Which I appreciate less than paraphrasing.When I said, "If you don't have anymore valid points then shut up!" you simply quoted, "shut up!" And when I said, "If you don't make a valid point soon, you're going to look very stupid" you simply quoted, "you're going to look very stupid."By leaving out those words, you attempted to make me look belligerent. Which in turn made you look stupid... which I warned you about.And I'm not accusing the country of everything. I'm doing exactly what that guy is saying, accusing Mormonism. Because they spent millions of dollars to spread lies about the California constitution, schools, Obama, and a lot more.Your Religion monetarily supported my oppression. (Evident by the above.)
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

Okay, fine."If you don't have anymore valid points then shut up!"No. I will under no circumstances shut up, at your command. And it's still belligerent. Because regardless, you where telling me to shut up and assuming that I didn't have any more valid points. And don't say that you where not because if that was true you wouldn't have said any of that."If you don't make a valid point soon, you're going to look very stupid"I don't care what your opinion of me is. Is this getting through to you? At all? "And I'm not accusing the country of everything." I didn't say that you where. The key word there is everything. It sounded to me, (forgive me if I'm wrong) that you where blaming the U.S. for letting religion oppress people. If you where, then you are wrong. "Because they spent millions of dollars to spread lies about the California constitution, schools, Obama, and a lot more."What lies? I want you to tell me in full detail exactly what lies my church spread about all of those things that you so boldly stated. Go ahead. And prove that they are lies.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Who taught you how to read? "If you don't..."I was only challenging you to make an actually point. Which, at the time, you were not doing. I didn't actually want you to shut up."And I'm not accusing the country of everything."I meant anything. But everything does work, too. Because everything includes anything. And no, I didn't accuse the country of anything or everything. I am blaming your religion for oppressing people. Your religion used lies and fear mongering, in order to change the law via 'democracy', to do so. And that is wrong, in my opinion.And what lies?http://www.samspadesf.com/2008/10/prop-8-lies-and-facts-you-sort-them-out.html Those were the 'facts' that the Mormon church, from Utah, paid to spread in California. None of it was true.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

No I read that correctly. I knew you would go there. Thats why I was so specific. And I'm betting you did want me to shut up or you wouldn't have made the request based on the assumption that I had no other arguments left. So who taught you how to type? "I was only challenging you to make an actually point."That link said nothing about my church, you still have not explained exactly what my church did to oppress you. You just repeated yourself.Some of those 'facts' where only opinions. So prove that my church spread lies. [That means prove that they actually are lies.]
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Rude.Some, not all. I have to repeat myself because those are the facts. You're just in denial now, deal with it.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

Whats rude? Oh well, based on the innocent until proven guilty theory. My religion never spread any lies. Thanks for playing.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

I proved you guilty. You're just turning a blind eye to it!Those were the lies they paid to have spread. If you're not willing to understand the truth, then I can't help you.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Pineapple let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he can't click links and I will tell him what the site says okay?Here were some of the lies spread by the Proponents of Prop 8:Prop 8 doesn't discriminate against homosexuals. Prop 8 took away a right that gays already had. They were able to get married, and the passage of prop 8 took away that right. Regardless of whether not you agree with prop 8, it took away a right they already had and therefore is discrimination.Children will be taught that same-sex marriage is ok I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you do not live in California. I cannot tell you how many ads I saw talking about how children would learn that homosexuality is alright. Regardless of how intolerant that is, it is a lie. Prop 8 mentioned nothing about education, and the California Superintendent of Schools Jack O'Connell assured everyone that Prop 8 did not even mention education and under California law, parents can remove their children from any health or family instruction they disagree with.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys6jnC11Svs There is no reason for them to be mentioning kids.Oh by the way in watching that clip I found a lie. Well more of a half-truth. "Both presidential candidates support traditional marriage." What they don't say is that Obama opposed prop 8 and any ban on same-sex marriage. He took a lame wishy-washy stance, but he still opposed prop 8 and the video implied that he did not.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiX5APGCroU&feature=related A little under a minute and a half in: "The rights of children are at risk. Children have the right to be raised by a mother and father." This has nothing do with kids. Nothing in proposition 8 affected education or adoption. It was all lies and propaganda.Another gem in that video. "We need to protect religious freedoms." So how does forcing everyone else to abide by your religion protect religious freedom? That seems a bit bassackwards to me.Your religion was the main source of funds behind this campaign and all of these advertisements. Please I beg you, try to really think critically about all of this.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Jake. Really?If you don't have anymore valid points then shut up!"we live in a country of religious freedom... where religion has the freedom to oppress."NOT FALSE... I am very oppressed by your religion. Because of your religion, I can't marry a woman.If you don't make a valid point soon, you're going to look very stupid.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"shut up!"No."Because of your religion, I can't marry a woman."No that is false. Because of democracy you can't marry a woman. "you're going to look very stupid."Oh I'm so scared.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

I like the color green. I think it's great. You like the color red. You are a bad person. I don't want my children to hang out with someone who likes the color red.Basically, the same concept.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

Liking colors doesn't affect much. Same concept yes not the same situation. Hmmmm.. Favorite color vs little boy not growing up with a father figure.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

A lot of little boys don't grow up without father figures. Should we take every kid away from single mothers?The thing is, Jake, that your morals are not exactly... moral.The judging of a couple's ability to raise a child is not up to you. Gay people have fine morals! They have jobs, they pay taxes, they participate in committed loving relationships, they love and respect their parents. In fact, aside from who they love, there is nothing more "immoral" about homosexuals than straight people at all.Other than what your faith teaches you, what don't you like about homosexuality?
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

We shouldn't take kids away from parents unless of course it's abuse or something. "Gay people have fine morals! They have jobs, they pay taxes, they participate in committed loving relationships, they love and respect their parents."Not to be crude but the same can be said for child molesters. Homosexuality is also a sin, but you don't believe in god so whats the point in debating? "Other than what your faith teaches you, what don't you like about homosexuality?"Well, I don't like anything that distorts what a family really is. Our definitions of family and morality are obviously different. And it is a sin.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

It being a 'sin' is irrelevant. Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open.You say yours eyes are open, that's great. Now try your brain.Homosexuality has been a sin for only about 2000 years now... You are a product of brainwashing. I'm not going to say that again, because as a product, you can't understand it. But you need to open your mind and understand that there is nothing wrong with being gay!And again, the bible is not meant to be applied to law. So YES, gays should adopt.And what is a family to you?Family is an ambiguous word these days. I hope you don't have that picturesque little household with a white picket fence, with a mom and dad, and a Golden Retriever who brings in the paper, et cetera... because that would be weird.It's a matter of perception. And I have to tell you that other than biblical references, there is no excuse for thinking being gay is wrong. Or for thinking that gay people can't raise children. They aren't retarded. They understand the world, and the people in it. And they have love to give, and can create a stable environment for a child just as well as a straight couple. Every difference is trivial.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open."If I blindly agreed with you would you be calling me closed minded? People only seem to use the 'closed mind' argument against people they disagree with. That in it's self is pretty closed minded if you ask me. "It being a 'sin' is irrelevant."It may be to you, but it is not to me. Do you see how pointless this is? "You are a product of brainwashing."I can assume the same about you. You are young and for gay marriage/adoption. So I can assume that you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. Just like you assumed me a Christian, of being brainwashed, ...because I'm Christian. Don't call somebody closed minded and then make assumptions about their beliefs. "And again, the bible is not meant to be applied to law. So YES, gays should adopt.Well, yeah I believe in the separation of church and state but this is a democracy. I will vote based on what I want, and you can do nothing about it. "And what is a family to you?The Family: A Proclamation to the WorldThat is what I believe. and by the way: "I hope you don't have that picturesque little household with a white picket fence, with a mom and dad, and a Golden Retriever who brings in the paper, et cetera... because that would be weird."Whats wrong with that!? The media must tell you that image is bad. "Or for thinking that gay people can't raise children."Hey, if it makes you feel any better. I think most gay people would make better parents than a lot of straight parents. Many people should not be able to adopt kids. I'm not singling anyone out.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

So from all of that, you continue to call me names, show your pride, and insist that I am a blind follower of my religion. I'm not perfect, my mind is open and just about all of your assumptions about me are wrong. I told you this would be pointless.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

I'm not calling you names. What did I call you? A Mormon? You are! What am I supposed to say?I'm asking you to try and understand a group of people who I doubt you have previously taken the time to understand. That's it.It's not pointless.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

Yes you did. You called me a chore. Don't worry my feelings are not hurt I just think name calling makes you look weak, especially in a debate. Now you are calling me a Mormon as if it's an insult. Have you taken the time to under stand my religion?
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

I was letting you know that you were acting like a chore. It was accurate.I didn't call you a Mormon as if it were an insult. I was asking if that that was the 'insult' you were referring to.You're the one who has made our disagreement more about you and me, than the actual facts. That's the only pointless part.So do you have any more arguments, or are we done here?
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

I'm not a chore, nor was I acting like one. See, you never said why or how I was a chore. That makes for a weak argument.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

I don't think he was saying you were a Mormon as an insult, but I have some understanding of your religion and feel it is related to the question to ask you if you feel African Americans should be allowed to adopt?2 NEPHI 5:21 ---------------------------------And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done. And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey. ---------------------------------
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"African Americans should be allowed to adopt?"Yes. Why?
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

We shouldn't take kids away from parents unless of course it's abuse or something. I belive this is correct, so we must disagree on whether having gay parents is abusive.Gay people have consenting partners which is not the same as child molestation. Would comparing gay people to child molesters be considered a disgusting and immoral hyperbole to you? if so, should you be allowed to have kids?PS - everyone is a sinner - including your parents and you.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

Maybe this will help give a little perspective:if you have oral sex, or really any sex except for the purpose of procreation - should you be allowed to adopt children??
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: No, gays should not adopt

"if you have oral sex, or really any sex except for the purpose of procreation - should you be allowed to adopt children??"Yes. What, you think I believe any sex except for the purpose of procreation is a sin? I don't.
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

since we are to go off of your definition of natural and moral and your definition obviously doesn't come from the old testament, new testament, or the qu'ran, maybe you should elaborate on what you find acceptable and how you devine those value judgements.what is sin and which sins preclude adoption of kids who don't have parents?
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

the links you are providing to try to justify your position do: http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html  "covenants of chastity"
Debate: Gay Adoption
Side: Yes, gays should adopt

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals and to be persecuted because of sexual orientation is wrong. If a gay couple wants a kid give them a kid. But I think that there could be consequences and pluses. But I think that letting them adopt children would be leading those children into an extremely awkward upbringing. That would make them outcasts. Kids are extremely brutal just read A Child's Machiavelli, everything rings true. Picture your average bully not only picking on a kid because of his looks but now he has a weapon that would make that kid a total outsider to all other kids. Kids find it odd when a kid has no father or mother, or when he/she lives with his/her grandparents or are adopted to a hetero family a kid with 2 fathers or mothers doesn't fit into the mix for a proper upbringing in a peers perspective at a young age. It would all lead down a messed up life for the kid down the road he would be confused with his sexual orientation and countless other issues.But then ,maybe all the toughness would make that kid an even better person than all the other kids that made fun of him or didn't step forward to defend him. I cannot say for sure since I have not had such an experience.But it is a free country and if one person can adopt another person should be able to as well.