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Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

You cannot just fear it, there has to be evidence that the person was going to do harm. Once again, no not all pregnancies have a threat to the mother. It is a natural process, that may hurt, but it is not the baby's fault. The consequences were created by the mother, the baby is an innocent bystander. Also, deadly force is only permitted if the person can show that the aggressor was going to cause death or extreme harm to the victim, which once again, is not common. Natural pain does not constitute death or extreme harm, and therefore deadly force cannot be justified in most pregnancies. https://www.slgattorneysflorida.com/self-defense-justifiable-use-of-deadly-force.html
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

"You cannot just fear it, there has to be evidence that the person was going to do harm."Basically correct. You can't just be afraid, there has to be sufficient evidence that a reasonable person would have the fear."It is a natural process"Just because something is natural does not mean it isn't harmful. If spiders eat their mate, does it not pose harm to the mate because it is "natural"?"The consequences were created by the mother"A rephrasing of the consent issue."the baby is an innocent bystander"a rephrasing of the intent issue."death or extreme harm to the victim, which once again, is not common."It is actually a part of every full term pregnancy which ends with C-section or vaginal passage of a grapefruit sized object (on average). Think of doing either of those things to a woman outside the context of pregnancy - would she have a self-defense right to prevent it if she didn't want it? of course.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Anything left on this?Are there ways the self-defense argument should be improved in order for it to be more openly received?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Also, interested in your thoughts hereCan a person be mandated to give blood? If not, how can we mandate carrying a pregnancy to term?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Also, if we are talking about cases of rape that then pose a threat to the mother, your argument is valid. However, the percentage of abortions, for this reason, are incredibly minuscule and effectively insignificant.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Also, if we are talking about cases of rape that then pose a threat to the mother, your argument is valid. However, the percentage of abortions, for this reason, are incredibly minuscule and effectively insignificant.Listen idiot, let us for argument's sake accept your silly premise that life begins at conception. It is entirely dependent on a host for the first nine months of its existence. Therefore, it is a parasitic organism. In which insane universe other than yours is it acceptable to force a human to carry a parasite?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Parasites are still alive, and comparing a baby to a parasite is disgusting by the way. Also, I will tell you again that a newborn baby would certainly die without constant care and feeding on a host (mother), so should we kill all babies up to when they are two years old. Use real arguments, not exaggerations and insults.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

The difference between born and unborn is the availability of alternatives. If you don't want a baby after it is born, give it to someone who wants it. That's an option not available during gestation.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Correct, but once again I have to state that most pregnancies aren't dangerous, and therefore, one should just have the baby and give it up.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Correct, but once again I have to state that most pregnancies aren't dangerous, and therefore, one should just have the baby and give it upIn the last hundred years the human population has already increased by well over 700 percent, and that's WITH abortion. Your theory that people can just keep having babies and then give them away to a never-ending supply of carers demonstrates a level of naivety which is, frankly, staggering.Christ, why am I even bothering to respond? It's so easy to get sucked into arguing with idiots like you.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Advanced medical care, cleanliness, etc. are why we have increased in population so much. We have increased in population since the beginning of time without abortion too. Abortion is not the reason we are growing in population...
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

It wouldn't supply an endless amount of carers. First of all, there are many couples and people who are happy to care for other kids. There are foster care programs that allow kids a home until they find a permanent one. Also, there are many families who are willing to take on quite a few children. Today, there are about 36 families waiting to adopt for every 1-2 children placed in adoption agencies (source below). So no, it wouldn't overload the system, there is plenty of room for more adopted kids. I'm sure they'd rather be adopted than dead anyhow.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Also, you have once again failed to provide zero sources. Congrats on thinking anyone is going to take you at your word for these things.Heres a chart. You'll notice the earth's population has always been increasing form the beginning of time.https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Also, you have once again failed to provide zero sourcesOh, so you are too stupid to use Google? Well, my sincerest condolences about that:-During the 20th century, the global population saw its greatest increase in known history, rising from about 1.6 billion in 1900 to over 6 billion in 2000https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldpopulationIn demographics, the world population is the total number of humans currently living, and was estimated to have reached 7.7 billion people as of April 2019https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldpopulationI'm sorry that you need "sources" to verify any information which doesn't come from an extreme far right hate group.Idiot.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Interestingly, can you guess which group isn't included in the, "total number of humans currently living"?Unborn fetuses.Boom. And you're done.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

That wasn't because of abortion. Abortion stunts population growth smart guy. If you kill off the next generation, it will be smaller. If there wasn't an abortion, we would have seen a greater increase. Not sure how population growth justifies abortion though.... Also, you have failed to point out any hate speech from those sources, so until then they stand as credible. I would love to see you find an example of how they are hate groups though.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

That wasn't because of abortion.Lmao. Nobody said it was because of abortion you repugnant moron. That is what is referred to as a straw man fallacy. I said it happened despite abortion, so you are literally turning my argument upside down and attacking it. Yet further proof that you are not very well in the mind.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Not very well in the mind but you still have debunked none of my claims (life begins at conception especially). As stated before, you have gone all over the place trying to compare a zygote to contradictory things and failed to read my credible sources (by the way still waiting for you to find that hate speech in them). Your only source is one of a demographic that has nothing to do with abortion, and the rest is just you spouting nonsense and insults. You have had multiple straw man fallacies as well (stating that I was arguing that a zygote was a life because it was unique and ignoring the fact that I was arguing for unique DNA). Go learn how to structure an argument with good sources and then come back and argue.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

And its not a parasite. A simple google search would show you why you're claim is really ridiculous. "First, the fetus is the same type of organism as the mother. Parasites are different organisms which latch on to another species, causing it harm.Second, parasites are not where they belong, but the preborn child is precisely where it is supposed to be. The natural changes that take place in the woman’s body to make room for this new little human do not damage her body. Although there may be challenges in being pregnant, they are in no way legitimately comparable to the damage and harm a parasite does to another organism."https://humandefense.com/babies-are-not-parasites/
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

And its not a parasite.Wrong. It is the exact medical definition of a parasite:-Medical Definition of ParasiteParasite: A plant or an animal organism that lives in or on another and takes its nourishment from that other organism.https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ art.asp?articlekey=4769 A simple google search would show you why you're claim is really ridiculous.YOUR claim. If you are going to argue with me at least do me the courtesy of learning the basics of your own language.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Way to attack a typo since you have no argument. And we have differing definitions of a parasite, neither is more excepted. Heres the better more specific defintion of a parasite"An organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment"Notice it must be a different species...https://carm.org/are-unborn-babies-technically-parasites Also if it were a parasite, the body's defense mechanism would attack it, which it doesn't, since it is not harmful or unnatural. It is simply the result of a natural process."A parasite does not get the same treatment. To the host body, the parasite is the enemy, and it will work hard to kill it. The parasite has a whole plethora of evasion strategies to avoid the plethora of weapons the host body uses against it"https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/01/19/baby-not-parasite-guide-idiots/
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Way to attack a typoIt wasn't a typo. A typo is when you hit a key accidentally, not when you use the wrong form of a word.Notice it must be a different speciesNo, it must not be a different species. Nothing in the medical definition of parasite which I have just provided you with says that it must be a different species. That's quite frankly absurd. A parasite is a parasite because of its behaviour, not because of its species. Hence, people who live off other people's money or goodwill are often referred to as, wait for it... Parasites.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

It was a typo, since a typo is a typographical error which is an error made when typing, which is exactly what that was. I provided you with a different medical definition of a parasite. Nothing makes yours more credible than mine. It's behavior as I have stated previously, is also different, but you failed to read my argument again. If it were a parasite, it would have to be unnatural, and parasites are attacked by the immune system. A baby, on the other hand, is not attacked is a completely natural process.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I also forgot to include an article previously which disputes the idea that maternal mortality goes up with abortion restricitons. "39% of US women of reproductive age currently live in states with no abortion provider and the number of facilities continues to decrease, with the greatest proportional decline in states with the most ABORTION-SPECIFIC LEGISLATION ."(sorry I can't bold the type for some reason)https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30624-X/ fulltext 30624-X/fulltext)
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

It says that as new legislation is passed, the number of facilities decreases, not the number of fatalities.The first time I looked at the statement I misread it - perhaps you did as well. If it wasn't a misread, I'm not sure what the thrust of the argument is.It also says: "they found that abortion-specific state regulations have created barriers to optimal care for US women"
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Oh my bad. I'll give you that one then. The rest of my argument still stands though.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Also, the idea that abortions occur to save the life of the mother is really an insignificant argument. Less than one percent of abortions occur for this reason. Abortions occur mainly because people made a decision and ended up realizing they didn't want to or did not feel ready to face the consequences of this decision, which unfortunately leads them into thinking it is fine to take an innocent life. https://abort73.com/abortionfacts/usabortion_statistics/
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Abortion is immoral. The law prohibits it. The growing fetus has a presumptive personality by which the state has a responsibility.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Abortion is immoral to anyone with a heart and a sense of what is right and wrong. But our law in America allows a mother to kill her unborn child, as long as she hires it done. If she does it herself she may face being charged with taking a life. Our laws are whishy washy about this. They do not give the unborn personhood and protection, they stand on the principle that its the womans body and then they stipulate when she can have the abortion. Science is clear to when human life starts....and it does not start after nine months of pregnancy.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is wrong

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Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Yeah sure, I'm pro-choice... pro-choice in the sense that the choice is made when the soon-to-be mother chose to act irresponsibly and have unprotected sex. So many liberals out there try to paint this idealistic picture that you can make stupid decisions without any real consequences, but that's simply not true. When you have unprotected sex, a baby is conceived. At that moment, whether the baby has a pumping heart or not, it becomes a mother's natural and personal responsibility to do what is best for the baby. That could mean one of many options, such as raising the baby yourself, putting it up for adoption, or any number of alternatives. But I will tell you, as basic human decency should tell you, that anyone arguing that the termination of that baby is what's best for the baby is wrong in the most perverse way conceivable. You chose to act irresponsibly. Now you must face the consequences, and just because you don't want to does NOT give you the right to terminate the existence of a potential human being.Now, of course there are cases of rape and/or incest conceptions. In these cases, I do not feel that the mother should be forced to carry a child she does not deserve to have. She did nothing wrong, and should not be forced to carry the offspring of her rapist. But at the same time, I still believe that life begins at conceptions, and at that point it become a moral judgment for the mother to make. Do you believe in giving life to another human being, filling it with opportunity to make a name for himself or herself, or do you believe that you'd like to deliver children following consensual and natural intercourse between a man and a woman? At that point, the government should have nothing to do at all with the mother's say; she is no longer the irresponsible one, but rather the victim of a gruesome and despicable crime.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

You chose to act irresponsibly.I got pregnant whilst using the contraceptive pill, it's not as uncommon as you think. Don't assume every person who is pregnant isn't responsible. Just to clarify I didn't abort her, I have a daughter. However I'm just using this as a point that not all accidental pregnancies are because people are stupid enough to have sex without contraception.Now, rape and incest aren't the only circumstance that warrant abortion. Have you considered medical problems, deformities and disabilities in an unborn baby? What about a heroin addict, a alcoholic? What about someone with severe mental health problems (bi-polar, schizophrenia, BPD)? How about a homeless person? Do you think it is okay in these cases?I don't think any situation should dictate whether a Mother decides to proceed with a pregnancy. It's how the mother (or doctor) perceives the circumstance of her pregnancy. If she feels the unborn child would have a negative life or her life would be impacted seriously (not superficially) then she has the right to terminate her pregnancy.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

If you are a woman and have a brain you know that any birth control method can fail, unless she has had a hysterectomy. So the woman takes the chance, it is her decision, HER RESPONSIBILTY. It's not always about stupidity...but that does not chance the responsiblity part or the fact that says....a human life starts at conception. Why do you feel that rape and incest warrent abortion? Is the innocent child in the wombs life less than one in a womb who got there by a mother who was not raped? Do you think that if you walked into a hospital nursery and you were told that one babys mother had been raped...that you would be able to pick it out? Why does two acts of violence make sense? So the woman goes through the rape and then knowing she killed the child inside her. Do you know how mothers would cope with this extra trauma? And are you saying that because a child has a deformity that it deserves to die? Wow...how compassionate and materialist you are. ARe you perfect in appearence? Lets abort babies because they have problems.......Hitler had the same idea did you know that? He believed in killing the weak, the dredges of society. Again you are blaming the unborn for the sins of the parent. I have personally seen drug babies...and while they have a hard time at first...they can be saved and they can lead normal lives. You are making excuses for the killing. How about the woman who does not want to get stretch marks...the woman who wants to finish school, the woman who does know who the father is, the woman who does not want another child of that sex? You know it is sad that you feel this way...that you would be so judgemental that to solve a problem you have to kill a living human being. That you would speak for another human who cant speak for themselves, and choose death. You are choosing death...for all the "what-if's"What right do you have to determine how someone MIGHT LIVE? What if you were poor....and the government said that everyone who made less than a certain amount couldn't have a child, that if you got pregnant you would have to abort because if you had one it would be a burdon on society. Would you be ok with that?What did you mean by your comment...."life would be impacted seriously (not superficially)"? What right do you have to tell a woman why she cant abort at any time?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

So the woman takes the chance, it is her decision, HER RESPONSIBILTYYou really are a sexist pig. The male who has sex with her and impregnates takes half the responsibility for pregnancy. It's not solely a woman.Why do you feel that rape and incest warrent abortionBecause if a child is going to make her life more awful than what she's already experienced she has the choice to not go through that. I'm not saying you should abort in these circumstances but I understand entirely why people do.And are you saying that because a child has a deformity that it deserves to die? You are possibly the biggest word mincer ever. I personally wouldn't abort a child on these grounds and I'm not saying people should. But yet again I understand and sympathize with someone who does..Hitler had the same idea did you know that?Stop calling and comparing me to Hitler. It's so rude.You are making excuses for the killing.I'm not making excuses. I'm saying I understand why woman would abort in these situations. Stop acting like I advocate death and I'm murdering people.How about the woman who does not want to get stretch marksI think that's probably a very selfish reason however I don't know the woman's background maybe she has serious depression and her self esteem is low. Hence I said "life would be impacted seriously (not superficially)" Oh and in response to your question about I meant, I mean personally if someone were to abort because it was the wrong sex or something along those lines I'd probably think it was a bit selfish. But I wouldn't out right deny the woman the right to do so. And don't call me a hypocrite, because I still believe the woman has the right to abort under those circumstances.What right do you have to tell a woman why she cant abort at any timeThis is coming from the person who believes a woman has no right to abort at all? A woman can abort for whatever reason she likes it has nothing to with me I've never led you to believe that I think only some woman can abort. And just to clarify I've already posted the scientific studies and facts on when a baby feels pain and it's brain is active, and why that is my defining limit on abortion gestation with some exception. If you couldn't be bothered to read it that's your problem.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Finally I forgot to ask... You believe the male should have a right in the choice of abortion. What if the male wanted an abortion and the woman didn't? I assume you wouldn't be so happy about that right then. That's part of the reason why men don't generally have a legal say, baring in mind most woman consult with the father and come to a mutual agreement anyway. You also argue that pregnancy is entirely down the woman yet you believe she shouldn't have the final say on the child. So which is it, is the woman solely responsible for pregnancy and the child or are both sexes equally responsible?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

I beleive abortion should be illegal...so your question is not relavent. I stated that the father does not get the choice to decide...not that I support his right to want an abortion. I AM AGAINST ABORTION...NO MATTER WHO WANTS IT.Men dont have a say because of Roe.......this has to do with privacy and the woman owning the right to her body. The make is a non issue.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

I can play the downvote game too. Not really a response to my argument though is it.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

1) And yet, half the people here were talking about how it's the woman's choice ONLY. The argument people ALWAYS make are that it's "the woman's body."Interesting.2) I actually can't agree with this. Rape is more iffy of course, but I don't think the child should have revenge taken out on them for being raped. The father who raped the women should suffer: not the child.I somewhat understand that point, but I don't think it makes anything right.I also think incest isn't much of a reason (Unless you're talking about the pedophillia related incest...) unless the women is AGAIN needing it for medical reasons. But consensual incest shouldn't equal death.I don't condone incest, but it's a lesser evil to other things.3) I can understand it if the baby has a deformity that WILL actually hurt them in the future. 5) the others; not much to argue I guess.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

This debate is really old and I can't find the post that you're disputing to read what you're replying to, since I have about 80 arguments in that one debate. Perhaps clarify or quote?