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Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

I like to disagree, the reason is because not everything in history is accurate. So when asking about if you need it outside of acedemics I really dont think so. You are taught something that was thought to have happen hundreds of years ago. The only place people will need it other than acedmics is in debates to prove their statement or in museums. Other than that people just really concentrate on working and hoping that they can make next months rent.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

how is history not reliable, even when there are documents to prove it?
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: Yes

Just because something is in a document doesn't mean that it is reliable. These documents have been written by people who are biased, who may take on a tone which causes the reader to be biased and not have a balanced view on what really occurred.Also, those who have written the document may not have the whole story, or information needed to have a complete overview of an event. Especially with Ancient history, the sources are limited and so we can only rely on ancient historians who have gathered their information through the testimony of others who had been witness to the event, or heard from someone else who had been witness to the event. Not exactly reliable.Just because something is written does not mean that it is true.One example is Roman history which was heavily biased. This can be seen in the actions of Octavian (Augustus Caesar) who used propaganda to put down one of his opponents - Sextus Pompeius - whilst discussing the other - Marc Antony - at great length. This resulted in a very poor image of Sextus, barely any mention of him in historical references, being accused of being a pirate and being cowardly, whilst Marc Antony was hailed.It's called censorship and politics.Nothing is truly reliable, not memories, not the documents that memories are made from.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

The only benefit from a history class is to make good citizens. History has taught us one thing, people do not learn from the past.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

history has great implications on our social live. But, there is official history- history of the Winners forged by historians, and there is subverzive history-one writed by the Losers. Which one you should trust?! I trust in what I remember, my history. (And I now that War is bed thing ,and that is something y don't need to learn, y can feel it. )So, history should not leed y trough your live.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

No becuase no job requieres you knowing any world history, most important subject in school in math.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

history does have a value outside of academics, in a genral sort of sense. you learn the basic notion of good and bad. but, the date and fact that we are forced to learn are useless information. the only time this information is used is if the job requires it or the person is teaching history.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

i dont think we are going to be using any historical event in life layter on well at least not me because im in the automotive program and what we do there is just car's stuff not hitorical events or anything like that.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

I find history doesn't have value outside of academics, because i don't see how i will be using history in later life, it really doesn't get to me or motivate me in anyway.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

History is thought in schools for our kids to learn about the past and all the great and not so great things that have shaped bout society as we know it today.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

This argument wholly depends on which type of history you are dealing with. If you are talking about recent history, say, in the last ten years, then it's completely pointless; who would desire to remember the blunders that this country has experienced in the last decade?However, if you are talking about older history, say, all of American History, then there is still an inherent lack of application to everyday society, unless of course you want to understand a few of Jon Stewart's historical allusions. The prospect of "learning from our mistakes" clearly hasn't registered, especially with those currently in power (Dick Cheney during the first Bush presidency advising against invading Iraq then invading Iraq during the second Bush administration). If our leaders, check that, if world leaders aren't learning from "past mistakes," how is history actually applicable to the average American?
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: Yes

Well, too bad politicians are the most childish and immature people in the world then.However, we, the united peoples of the world, are a force to be reckoned with. If all of us work towards preventing another Saddam Hussein or Hitler from gaining power, Im sure the world would be a better place.Well, thats still an ideal way above what we can achieve as the world we are in its current state. However, its always nice to have the hope that if there were more of you, the world would be a better place.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

Ok so the teachers talk about how this class will help you make decisions better and so we don't go to the past. like all of the dictator leaders. (I don't have anything against them) Well, am i ever going to be the leader of The USA or China, Germany, England, or Africa?! No! I don't see a job that needs the subject history in it. Unless your job doesn't matter. like some bone digger. No Offense to anyone.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

I dont think that history is really needed, since you dont need it in future jobs. I think that history is just there to just fill in the gap in schedules and they dont want the classes to long. If you want to work in a place where your surrounded in historical items then i understand but i doubt that will barely happen in life. I know that history is just there to teach people on how they lived, what they did, and what happened back then, but there ain't anything in history that can help us now in future careers.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: Yes

You are completely missing the point of history. Perhaps because youve been exposed to history in a negative light. I agree with you in the sense knowing about what historical objects were significant to what people and when is just plain useless. Dates wont get you anywhere.But there is SO much more to history than dates. With history you learn about what significant people have done before you and what that resulted in. It serves to help you develop as a person. What if another tyrant like Hitler were to take power again? What if your parents were killed just because they opposed the tyrant? What would life be like? Imagine being forced to work for something you dont want to work for just because the tyrant thinks it is beneficial for strengthening his grip on society? Dont you wish at that point in time you studied what the tyrant was doing before he came to power, and wish that you could do something to prevent it? And wouldnt you wish others would have done something to stop it?If you wish to prevent catastrophes like the above from happening, how are you going to know about what the tyrant is doing to get into power if you dont even have any examples to learn from? History is the most powerful tool Man has to learn and to progress.Perhaps you have not reached that stage where life would mean more than studying to get a job yet. You might change your mind when the time comes.But yeah I agree, dates suck!
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

No, lots of people get by everyday with knowing a lick of history. Sounds crazy, but it happens.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

Lots of people get by every day without a lick of exercise, too, but that doesn't mean that exercise has no value outside of professional sports.Studying history (real study and reflection, not just names and dates) helps us understand how events are connected, how certain beliefs and attitudes came about, and how the past continues to shape current events.Can a lot of people get by without studying history? Of course. Would they derive value from it anyway? I think so.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

No, history only has value inside academics. I mean, they're fool of it.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

Best question I've seen around here so far, dusted with cliche and self-justifying statements I heard back in grade school, no dignity for whatever that is closer to reality, rather to ideals of some delusional progression - the hypnotizing 'Betterment' myth of modern stamen march."History as a path to the future" - without history we are future less.This statement here acquires the simple task of learning by experience, trial and error technique, for a whole, of an organized society, which should collectively punish itself for declared facts of it's own acts of supporting a cause or a belief, to give birth to individual guilt, enlightened responsibility and modern passiveness. An impotent self-depressant whole in which the right is much radically opposed to the left. In fact, Democrats and Republicans have different histories or at least a varied set of interpretations of whatever 'really' happened.There is no progress, politically speaking, only consequences. Individually, gear-less manual-less histories of social survivalism."We should learn from our mistakes to ensure success \ never repeat them" - With sufficient information, we would one day figure out the truly right way to do pretty much everything.Can't argue with utopian absolutism, eh? This one quickly presents the act, whether it is a universal, a political or even a frequent act like milk pouring as rather right or wrong, very binary, very I'm under surveillance 24\7 and the sun still orbits around the invisible energies of good and evil. Mistakes are not evil, if one insists of embracing these hazy notions as the existence of 'mistakes' and 'evil', one shouldn't fear his hazy creations, their existence feed his desire of their contrasts, which morphs everything into the 'right' and 'good', while neglecting any necessity for all four of these useless notions."History has value outside of academy in the form of exchange-value" - Maybe my usage of the 'exchange value' is not correct, but I believe that in a situation such as your boss asking you to write an article about something in relation to WWII, you would have your knowledge of history as a relief. But stating that a situation like that values and justifies history is like saying that celebrity specialization is much more important.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

The reason that I think that history dosent have value outside of academics is because people really dont like to talk about history. Another reason is because people just stady history for what ever job they are going to get, that have do about history.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

the only reason why it would have value to you is if your job was a history teacher. but if you were working like in an office or at a fast food restaurant you wouldn't need to know about history.its nice to know about history but its not going to affect you any if you don't know about it
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

i dont think it has value only to the people that think theres value. but really you dont need to know about history.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

no i dont think that poeple use history or have value outside school, because people are to busy wowrking or just dont even have time for remember
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

no i dont think it has value outside because you wont need it for your job or any thing else except if you have a job that has to do with histroy
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

No because we dont even study history outside of school and i know that other people dont even pick up a history book to study. so i think that history dont have a value once outside of school because mostly we have to study history and not because we want to.
Debate: Does history have value outside of academics?
Side: No

No, i dont think that it has value because there's not really a job witch i think i would work and use any history. Plus i think that its up to that person to use to be inn value of it in their life or not.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

As we all know, atheists do not only believe that Christianity is wrong but all religion is wrong and that there is no type of God or higher being. I see atheist youtubers most of the time bash on primarily the Christian community and not other religions. Since Christmas is a religious holiday, a Christian holiday, it doesn't make sense for them to not only take part in it but also support it. The true meaning of Christmas and the Christmas story is about the birth of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Christmas is celebrating Jesus' birth day. So since atheists don't believe in Jesus, why would he celebrate his birthday? To put insult over injury (for the atheist community), every house that Iv been to during Christmas and every family know that celebrates Christmas, Christians and atheists alike, I see either a Star or an Angel on top of the tree. The Star represents the North Star that lead the 3 wiseman along with everyone else to see Jesus and the Angel represents the Angel Gabriel that came to Mary the Mother of God to tell her that she is will child. So why would atheists do this? For the life of me, I have no idea. I can't tell you why because it doesn't make any sense but what I can't tell you is that it doesn't make any sense.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

I can't tell you why because it doesn't make any sense but what I can't tell you is that it doesn't make any sense.Atheists are willing to participate in holidays that bring people together because they are able to independently determine what information is good and what is bad. Unlike religious people who need others to interpret what they believe, Atheists can participate in events that don't support atheism because it doesn't matter what you participate in.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

First of all thank you for that comment. I guessing you are an atheist and this website is some what a battle between atheists and Christians but I think it's an exchange of ideas and that's why I like your comment. This is a question that can some what confuse Christians and atheists alike. At first it did confuse me. I like what you said in in the first sentence of your response where by atheists being able to see right and wrong, morality ahah, they can see that Christmas is a time of bringing people together and that's very good. Here is where we differ. The part that doesn't make any sense is the reason why we come together during the Christmas season is to celebrate the birth of Jesus. Not just because it's for family to come together. I mean that could be any time of the year. It also doesn't make sense because of your last statement where you say atheists can go to an event that doesn't support atheism because it doesn't matter. Let's put that in another example by saying that there's a pro choice person partaking in the pro life March. It doesn't make sense because that's what there against is pro life. Another example would be for like a black person to go to a KKK rally. It doesn't make sense. Like I said before the whole reason for Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Our God that I believe in. It makes no sense for an atheist to partake in something they don't believe in no matter if they care or not.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The part that doesn't make any sense is the reason why we come together during the Christmas season is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.That may be the reason for you, but the tradition of coming together around that time predates Christianity. Humanity has been coming together around the Winter Solstice for a very long time.Not just because it's for family to come together. I mean that could be any time of the year.Winter solstice is an optimal time because it is the celebration of the days becoming longer and the hope of spring. It also doesn't make sense because of your last statement where you say atheists can go to an event that doesn't support atheism because it doesn't matter. Let's put that in another example by saying that there's a pro choice person partaking in the pro life March. It doesn't make sense because that's what there against is pro life.True, but the analogy is a little flawed. Atheists may not believe in Christianity, but they aren't inherently "against" Christianity. An atheist can, for example, go to church in order to gain a better understanding of Christianity, but that does not necessarily violate their atheism the same way a pro-choice member going to a pro-life rally would.Like I said before the whole reason for Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Our God that I believe in. It makes no sense for an atheist to partake in something they don't believe in no matter if they care or not.Again, while that may be the whole reason for you, that is by no means the whole reason for everyone else, hence the disconnect.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The part that doesn't make any sense is the reason why we come together during the Christmas season is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.No, we don't. We come together to celebrate Santa Claus and because we get that day off from work.It also doesn't make sense because of your last statement where you say atheists can go to an event that doesn't support atheism because it doesn't matter.Atheists don't need special events to figure out they don't believe in God. Atheists don't need to avoid counter arguments to Atheism. Let's put that in another example by saying that there's a pro choice person partaking in the pro life March. It doesn't make sense because that's what there against is pro life.A pro life march is attempting to push along the pro life agenda. A Christmas dinner is not pushing along the Christian agenda.Another example would be for like a black person to go to a KKK rally.That might be to laugh at the stupid white people though.It doesn't make sense. Your KKK example is a really terrifying example. Do you really want to admit that Christians have been as bad to Atheists as the KKK has been to blacks?Like I said before the whole reason for Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Our God that I believe in.I disagree.It makes no sense for an atheist to partake in something they don't believe in no matter if they care or not.There is so much involved with Christmas that has nothing to do with Jesus that Atheists can partake in.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

People celebrate religious holidays from traditions they do not believe in for multiple reasons, and the practice is not restricted to atheists. For atheists living in predominantly Christian the odds of having Christian friends and family who celebrate the holiday are quite high, and therefore so are the chances of being invited to celebrate the holiday with those people. Agreeing to partake in the holiday is a way of sharing in something that is important to someone who is important to you, and does not have to be about your own beliefs in any way. Some atheists may not be out to their friends and family either, meaning that they have to celebrate the holiday or out themselves which can be painful if not dangerous. Christmas is also just as cultural as it is religious for a lot of people, so participating in it can be merely a matter of connecting to their family's heritage or relating to mainstream Christian society; again, belief is not necessary nor is non-belief a contradiction.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Not only does it not make sense on the face of it, but if you really think about it, it's kind of insulting in a way.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Can you explain how it is insulting?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Because those fucking Atheists should just die already instead of joining in.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Atheits don't even know how to smell good. If they use smellcheck, it would give "atheist" as the correct smelling of Athehits.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Mocking someone without a reasonable argument in the debate. - 1Considering people are human and make mistakes I can reasonably see this person typing a little fast and hitting the key strokes in the wrong order. I've spelt you as "yuo" before. You being such a Christian would lead me to believe you actually believed in forgiveness and would let something this small go; I guess you really are the hypocrite I made you out to be.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

You are like a silly caricature of everything you hate.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Christmas is a pagan holiday that was hijacked by Christians.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Catholics are pagans. Christmas gained popularity through culture. There's a wonderful story behind how it spread until it was accepted as a tradition and the birth of Christ becoming the main point, so that generally everybody accepted it as a traditional holiday. I forget the details, but there was a half hour radio program dedicated to the history, with many events and accounts building on each other until the holiday was embraced by pretty much everybody in every faith including atheists.Of course an apetheist cannot celebrate Christmas since they believe there is no Christ, no Messiah. But they can still enjoy the holiday tradition...they just can't call it a holiday because that's a holy day. They can enjoy the family tradition, and many do it with Christians and what's wrong with that? They are just lost and dying and on their way to Hell, but why not let them enjoy Christmas? Poor atheists can't enjoy life for long, let them celebrate Christmas if they can be happy for a few minutes.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

The Grinch stole Christmas, therefore everyone has a right to celebrate it.  Now do you see how dumb your argument looks ?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The debate description is false. My argument directly addresses the incorrect statement in the description.I tried warning you about this last time. Oh well.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

The point is that simply saying something doesn't make it true.  This is something that you've said a lot and now you're just being hypocritical.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The point is that simply saying something doesn't make it true.I agree. That was the point I was making. He said something and it wasn't true.This is something that you've said a lot and now you're just being hypocritical.Nope, you want to try again?