azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does a person's intelligence dictate their choice of religion?
Side: Yes

I pointed out people who don't follow a religion but believe that a deity exists prove that you can have Theism without Religion.Why so?What would be Theism based on? Random guess? Pretty much all "theist" are Christians ashamed of the ridiculousness of Bible.Theism is completely irrational, it has no inner integrity. It's an empty word.Buddhism, Taoism are as religions as Republicanism ...or democracy in general... It's just a point of view.Paganism has god's equivalents ..elements, magical creature, nature...etc.
Debate: Does a person's intelligence dictate their choice of religion?
Side: No

Theism without religion is the belief that there is some form of Deity or higher power but the person with that belief may not follow a religion due to the fact that many of them have caused trouble over the years or they may not have found a religion that suits them. You can be anti organised religion but still believe there is some form of Deity. Buddhism and Taoism is more than a point of view and both religions are too complicated to go into here, you'll need to look into it yourself, for an insight into Taoism the Tao Due Ching is a good start.Worshipping nature is different to worshipping a God some Pagans do worship Gods but not all, again its something you will need to look into yourself.Looking into and learning about religion can be very interesting even if you don't believe it can give you an insight into how other people think.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

My will is my own because I say so.My destiny is of my own decision because I say so.My choices will always be my own because I say so.I will not allow anything to influence me except for the things I care about because I freaking say so.And that's that.Culture does not have a hold on me. I have a hold on me.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

But do you control what you say?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I do.Because I say so.Googily fartsicles.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Given the sum of your knowledge and experiences, is it possible that you could've said anything but googily fartsicles?I posit not.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

By Jove, you're such a genius. The lack of knowledge towards one's identity can be totally filled in by a thoroughly analyzed assumption of someone purposefully being silly.Do you have any other methods for trying to argue that my will is not my own? Presumption isn't particularly effective when someone just apologized to you.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Way to take a joke, Seinfeld.I don't get your argument, though. I'm not making any presumptions. Are you saying your actions are not the result of your experiences?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Jokes are more easily taken when they are apparently. There is no tone over the internet. I cannot discern sarcastic tones unless you make an apparently indication of one.My actions are partially the result of experiences and knowledge, but choosing to make them based on such things does not inhibit your ability to make decisions not based upon them.If I wanted to, I could go on a killing rampage. I won't, because of many factors dictate that I shouldn't, but just because I shouldn't doesn't mean I can't make the choice. I just choose not to make the choice.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Jokes are more easily taken when they are apparently. There is no tone over the internet. I cannot discern sarcastic tones unless you make an apparently indication of one.I've never had this problem, but it's a common enough complaint that I guess you probably have to know my regular tone in order to detect it accurately. Ah, well, I tried. Hopefully I won't have to resort to emoticons or some dumb shit to indicate facetiousness in the future.choosing to make [my actions] based on [experience and knowledge] does not inhibit your ability to make decisions not based upon them.Give an example of a choice you could make unhindered by either of those.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Give an example of a choice you could make unhindered by either of those.Going outside to get the mail in my underpants, because why the hell not?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Your decision to retrieve the post in the buff would be entirely uninfluenced by any external factor? None whatsoever?Are you God?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Your decision to retrieve the post in the buff would be entirely uninfluenced by any external factor? None whatsoever?Yes.Are you God?I'm a Pantheist, so in a way, yes, I am God.So are you.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

So, I take it you don't believe in causality, then, correct?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I'd be stupid not to believe in cause and effect.But I'd be just as stupid not to believe that it doesn't drive me; I drive it.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I'd be stupid not to believe in cause and effect.But I'd be just as stupid not to believe that it doesn't drive me; I drive it.Both actually.“Everything that happens is followed by something else which depends on it by causal necessity. Likewise, everything that happens is preceded by something with which it is causally connected. For nothing exists or has come into being in the cosmos without a cause." - Chrysippus
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

your second sentence would suggest that you are an uncaused cause, ie god. Tell me, is the bible your word? At last, the savior has came eh?
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I influence my destiny just as you can influence your destiny. We are not tied to the ground without the ability to choose any path for ourselves. No the Bible is not my word, why would you suddenly say this? I said earlier in the conversation that I'm a Pantheist. I believe in the mighty power that is this moment, that is living itself, that is everything I live amongst and around. I don't believe in a deity. But people who want an analogy of a deity from me need look no further, because we are all God. Only all of existence itself can possibly be all knowing, all seeing, and all powerful. I am God, you are God, the grass you stand on is God, the microbes you sneeze are God. Though, calling everything God is a poor representation of what I believe, it's still somewhat of a fair analogy of what I believe to people who believe in a deity.I am not a savior. But I am God. And the Buddha. But you're both of those things to, so I don't see why you're mocking me.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Doesn't the notion of a destiny conflict with that of a free will?And I agree, we are not tied to the ground unable to choose any path, but I don't see how this refutes the idea of the choices we make being determined by various causal factors and not free will.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Doesn't the notion of a destiny conflict with that of a free will?The notion that my destiny is set without me having a choice does conflict with the notion that I myself make the choice.And I agree, we are not tied to the ground unable to choose any path, but I don't see how this refutes the idea of the choices we make being determined by various causal factors and not free will.Like I said, I'd be stupid not to believe in cause and effect, but just as stupid not to believe in free will.Just because you have a limited number of choices to make depending on what your senses tell you doesn't mean you don't make the choice yourself. Even if I am trapped within a box unable to escape doesn't mean I don't have the free will to do whatever I want inside the box.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Why the hell no? Well, I see no reason why you shouldn't, but why would you want to? I honestly want to know.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I want to because I want to. There isn't always reasoning behind it. Maybe I don't want to put my pants on. Maybe I like the breeze. Maybe I didn't even think about it and I made the choice without reason.Either way, I made the choice of my own fruition.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

The fact that you are unaware of any rationale behind your decision doesn't mean there was none. In fact, it's almost guaranteed that there was, unless you're insane. And even then, something led you to insanity.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Because I say so.Yet you can never be sure that you are actually the one saying so.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

I don't think it was free will that you said "googily fartsicles." Even tho that seems random which is free will, you were trying to prove you have free will when Axe asked you "do you control what you say?" That to me is not free will because your answer followed a question. And if that is the case, that is not free will. In other words, your answer wasn't random.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

You also chose to dispute that comment, another exhibition of your free will. Now, you may have felt inclined to do so because they were asking a question, but you didn't have to.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

this is the way i feel too, im responsible for my actions, we all have freewill, just use it wisely
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Yes it does exist. We have free will to choose what religon we want to have and no one will accuse us. We have the freedom of shopping in a store with our own money. We have the freedom to buy a house wherever we like instead of a person forcing us to live in a certain place. We have free will to work at a specific job and earn our own money and spend it without someone telling us to buy something or forcing us to spend on something we do not want.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Who the fuck upvoted this 6 times? I worry for this website sometimes.We have free will to choose what religon we want to have and no one will accuse us.Religion is like the most "accused" aspect of oneself in the history of the world... plus you've given no proof you're free to choose your religion. The opposite from your other debates, you seem thoroughly and completely indoctrinate with no free will in the matter at all.As for the rest of it. Just think really, really hard about what you said and I'm sure you'll apologize to everyone for subjecting us to your childish gibberish.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Yes it does exist. We have free will to choose what religon we want to have and no one will accuse us.Most people do not choose their religion. Do 4 or 5 year olds choose to go to Sunday school? I’m not talking about the handful of kids who realize early on that they will be admired by their parents and church instructors of how devout they seem or how well they recite scripture. I’m talking about the average kid, who complains about having to get dressed up, and endure more school on a Sunday (or Saturnday) when they would rather be out playing with the neighborhood friends. Fact is is that we are born into religion, and later on we can make the choice of whether or not we continue in it. Do you think that the majority of the United States is Christian because of choice? Or is it because that just happens to be the predominant religion?We have the freedom of shopping in a store with our own money.Suppose you wanted to buy liquor under the age of 21? Or cigarettes before the age of 18? Where’s your freedom in that?And did anyone ask you if those dollars you use should be considered legal tender? Do you have the choice to print your own fiat currency and use that instead?We have the freedom to buy a house wherever we like instead of a person forcing us to live in a certain place.What if someone already owns the property that you have your eyes on? Are you free to take it from them if they do not wish to sell it to you?We have free will to work at a specific job and earn our own money and spend it without someone telling us to buy something or forcing us to spend on something we do not want.So employers have no outcome in whether or not you get hired? And if you have a job, do you get to choose how many taxes you are required to pay? Or whether or not you have to pay them at all?I think you might have a stronger argument if you focused on a philosophical point of view. The points you gave are too easily refutable.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Do 4 or 5 year olds choose to go to Sunday school?Yes, they do, because they do not want to disobey their parents.Suppose you wanted to buy liquor under the age of 21? Or cigarettes before the age of 18? Where's your freedom in that?First off, the vendor has the free will to either let you buy them illegally, or not sell them and abide to the law; it is their free will to make that decision. Just like you wanting to buy liquor. You have the free will to either go against the idea of buying the liquor or cigarettes, or you could decide to go and attempt to buy the liquor or cigarettes, and trust the vendor. The outcome, however, does not affect your free will. You just make a choice to abide to society's laws, or go against them to get what you want.For example, say you do decide to go buy the liquor. Your free will allows you to choose to go and try to buy it, despite society's laws. But, if the vendor does not allow you to buy liquor, your attempt has failed. It doesn't affect the decision you already made; the vendor's free will to sell it or not determines the outcome of your choice.Same with the legal tender point. It is their free will to ask you or not about its legality. It is your free will to use legal tender or not. The consequences are completely different than free will. They are the outcomes of your actions. Just because your decision fails in the end does not mean that you don't have free will.Are you free to take it from them if they do not wish to sell it to you?You are free to make the choice to start building on that land. Law enforcement has the free will to take action and stop you from breaking the law any further.So employers have no outcome in whether or not you get hired?Yes they do, it is their free will to hire you or not. It is your free will to attempt or not attempt to get that job.And if you have a job, do you get to choose how many taxes you are required to pay?You don't choose who you are required to pay for taxes, but you can choose which one you want to pay. You are required to pay a certain amount to not have consequences at all. You do have the free will, however, to choose which ones you want to pay.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Yes, they do, because they do not want to disobey their parents.What’s the driving force behind a child’s desire to not wanting to disobey their parents? Is it free will? Or is it experience and understanding that they will get punished or rewarded depending on the choice made.You could say that detrimental choices can still be be made with knowledge of consequences, but those choices are still not without a cause, a driving force. No choice is made at random; I challenge you to find me one. It is not free will that determines our choices, but the ever changing web of causal factors. Even the chemical signals in the brain have their causal factor, and those same chemical signals determine your consciousness, your choices, your free will.You have no free will to dispute me, support my argument, or walk away. The decision you will arrive at is not a random free will choice, but one that is driven by an external factor.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Free will is the ability to control one's actions and decisions. Everyone can choose whether they obey or disobey their parents. It just depends on whether their choices are influenced, and if so, they can choose whether or not they abide to those influences.No choice is made at randomOf course not. But, like I said, you have the choice to either abide to those influences or not. Yes, the chemical signals play a part to. Their role is to make certain decisions easier or harder to make. But you still have the ability to choose which route you'll take.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

you have the choice to either abide to those influences or notAnd that choice is a result of your influences.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Most people do not choose their religion.Such a declarative statement without evidence is worthless. Do 4 or 5 year olds choose to go to Sunday school?To say that they either do or do not choose would be a generalization. Considering the vast number of four or five year old children in the world who go to Sunday school, I would be most surprised - and surely many others would be, too - if there was not a single one who enjoyed the experience. Perhaps, even, a majority enjoy the experience.I’m talking about the average kid, who complains about having to get dressed up, and endure more school on a Sunday (or Saturnday) when they would rather be out playing with the neighborhood friends.Surely there are many such children in existence, but is that child the average, or the stereotypical?Fact is is that we are born into religionFact is, this isn't true. Fact is, many people a raised religious; some continue the practice, whereas others do not. Still, there are others who are raised without religion and ultimately convert for any number of reasons.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I think it is pretty ignorant to claim that being born into a family that is religious automatically makes you a Christian or Muslim etc. as religion is a lot bigger than birth and common association. For example, Christianity is about a relationship with the Christ and in Islam you have to follow the pillars of Islam and associate with witnesses - something you can not really force children to do. I don't disagree that being born into a religious family can create a tendency to lean that way, but it can also cause rebellious intentions as well.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

I think it is pretty ignorant to claim that being born into a family that is religious automatically makes you a Christian or MuslimYes, I agree. Good thing I didn’t say that.I said “we are born into religion’” not that ‘we are born into a family that is religious and that automatically makes us a Christian or Muslim.’Being born into a religion simply means (for those whose families are of a particular religion when they are born) that we as children, have no choice as to where we are born in the world, what family we are born into, and what religion that family believes in. I meant religion as ‘an institutionalized set of beliefs’ and nothing more, whether or not a person can claim the actual title of Christian or Muslim would depend on their understanding and acceptance of the religion involved.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I can understand what you mean, to an extent, and I agree that a child cannot choose which family they are born into, but your point about being thrown into a religion is still invalid as a child still has the choice to follow the parents teachings. Just because the parents say 'you must not lie', doesn't necessarily mean that a child won't lie.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

I agree that a child cannot choose which family they are born into, but your point about being thrown into a religion is still invalid as a child still has the choice to follow the parents teachings.This is not about choice or no choice; it’s about free will vs. no free will. A child cannot choose its family, or that family's religion, so the child is born into a religion by no free will of its own.Unless an alternative religion is presented, a reason is given to question what is presented, or critical thinking skills develop; the child will know no other alternative to what s/he has been taught as 'truth.' It is only when these things happen that the ‘truth’ the child has been taught can be challenged. Only then can they have the choice to follow or reject the parent’s teachings.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

I think you are wrong there because a child can disobey a parent even at a young age and does not merely convert to whatever they do: i.e. a child rejects certain foods when younger even though the parent constantly tries to feed it to them. By what you say all children would be perfect replicas of the parents philosophy / set of beliefs though this isn't the case.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

You used a child’s rejection of foods as an analogy to disobeying parents. Food preference is a physical trait that deals with the sense of taste, disobeying parents is a learned behavior, like the teachings of a religion. Learned behaviors are learned, preferences to tastes are not. Things that are learned are only challenged out of curiosity or when a reason is given to question the credibility, afterwards the learned thing is either supported or clashed with further experimentation which would result in either acceptance or rejection of the original learned thing. If curiosity doesn’t ensue, or if nothing challenges the original teaching, then the subject will continue to believe it as a truth. If you see children rejecting religion or disobeying parents, no matter how early of an age they are, there is a reason why they are doing so, otherwise they would follow like a sheep in the flock. By what you say all children would be perfect replicas of the parents philosophy / set of beliefs though this isn't the case.Indeed, this isn’t the case at all. But is that a factor of inborn will to reject something for no given reason, or the parents having a flawed philosophy from the very start and the offspring picking up on that?If a parent tells their kid not to smoke, all the while smoking throughout the day, it doesn’t take long before the parent loses credibility and trust. If a religion teaches ‘thou shalt not kill’ and then proceeds to give accounts of whole nations being killed by an act of god, it too will lose credibility.At any rate, this debate is whether or not we have free will, I try not to digress too far from the OP, but I also wanted to be polite and respond to your posts. If you wish to continue this discussion, please create a new debate and respond to this post with the title.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

Doesn't this prove the argument that free will exists? You just agreed with me that the child can then do their own thing. And what do you suggest the new debate is on? I have lost track of the topic :p
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: No.

Doesn't this prove the argument that free will exists?Free will denotes a free and independent choice that is not dependent on external factors. A simple personal study would prove this to not be the case. Our choices are determined by external factors and there is no way around it. Look up Free will vs Determinism to see a debate that has been going on for millennia, kept alive by the false and arrogant idea that humans are special compared to the rest of the universe. There is no exception to cause and effect in the universe, not in humans, not in anything.You just agreed with me that the child can then do their own thing.I wouldn’t deny that they do, such things happen all the time. But this doesn’t contradict that the child is born into a religion. If a child ends up rejecting a religion, or parent’s teachings, no matter how young the child is, it is a sign that what the child originally thought to be truth has lost credibility.And what do you suggest the new debate is on? I have lost track of the topic Well, I don’t know, I think I lost track as well. It kind of turned into children and disobeying parents or going against religion.To be honest I somewhat lost interest in it anyway.
Debate: Does free will exist?
Side: Yes.

yes everyone can control what they do and blaming others is no reason not to have free will some might have a disorder that allows them to be controlled much like children when their young but everyone can think for themselves.