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Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

That would be great and wonderful... if you weren't pushing towards a complete monopoly of the industry. That's why we have monopoly laws. Capitalism is great within wide boundaries. It's destructive with NO boundaries. Monsanto isn't some little to average sized farm out on the prairie. They are a global giant.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

A favorite argument often made by your comrades. The problem with it is as I said earlier, no monopoly has every withstood market forces without the aid of government force. Capitalism isn't conducive to monopolies, that requires government intervention, which you are a fan of.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

no monopoly has every withstood market forces without the aid of government forceThen you need to look at Monsanto's supporters and the people on its board of directors.http://www.monsanto.com/whoweare/pages/board-of-directors.aspx https://www.pinterest.com/pin/485051822339198106/ http://althealthworks.com/7354/rare-footage-shows-george-bushs-1987-visit-to-monsanto-uttering-seven-infamous-words-that-would-change-everything/ http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Monsanto's HighLevelConnectionstotheBush_Administration
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

If you want to attack a big corporations government connection, I am all for it. But that is a different issue than what we have discussed. You would necessarily be advocating less government influence rather than more.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I want America to do well, have no sympathy for monopolies and government conspiracies, and couldn't care less if the Muslims kill each other in mass. It's their problem. If that's liberal, I'm living in the twilight zone.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

And if THIS is true, then they aren't off the hook simply by claiming some abstract Capitalist argument.http://scientificbeekeeping.com/sick-bees-part-18e-colony-collapse-revisited-genetically-modified-plants/ http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780195316957.001.0001/acprof-9780195316957-chapter-12
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Do you even read your own sources? If this is true we have just one more think to thank big Ag for. Lets see what your source says:studies to date indicate that crops transformed with genes coding for Bt proteins will not harm beesPretty straight forward there.greater weed control in herbicide resistant crops may be responsible for a lower bee abundance in these crops than non-transformed cropsGot it. So, less flowers in the corn field means bees are not in the cornfield seeking flowers.Reduced pesticide use associated with insect resistant GM crops, and reduced tillage that is possible with herbicide tolerant crops, could be beneficial to bee populations compared to conventional agricultureJust to reiterate, "could be beneficial to bee populations".
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Because they aren't your seeds.Well, I'm pretty sure that Monsanto didn't invent the seed. So how are they Monsanto's seeds? If I alter sunlight, am I now the owner of "new sunlight" and can I ethically now prevent you from getting said sunlight?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

You can alter sunlight with different lenses and filters. If you created a new kind, for example polarized, then of course you should be able to patent it. There's still plenty of light and other kinds of lenses. Monsanto doesn't alter all of the corn. They alter their own and then sell it. Good for them.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/12/14/gmo-patent-controversy-terminator-genes- seed-piracy-forcing-farmers-buy-seeds/
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Nevertheless, you have dropped 9 out of my 10 points. Are you claiming my prognosis was "90% Conservative"? Looks like it. At worst, you are saying my prognosis is 70% Conservative. Either way, your claim that my proposition was liberal has failed. Anything else?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

I didn't claim that your propositions were all liberal, you had more than one. Some of them were 100% liberal.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

So, proposing that we not destroy our individual ability to have or get food is liberal... wow... I thought it was just common sense to not hand over food power to giant companies who can genetically manipulate seeds...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

So don't hand it over. Who cares? Keep using whatever inferior seeds you were using before. Or buy them from Pioneer, or some other ag company. Or buy them from Monsanto on the condition of one time use. No one is forcing you to buy their stuff. They aren't manipulating your seeds, but their own. They have competitors. Now if I tell you that I believe gay people should not be allowed to marry, and that we should have the government take care of all of our basic needs, would you say I am 50% conservative?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

So... if 7 out of 10 of your propositions are fully Conservative, and 3 out of 10 are fully liberal (Your claim), then doesn't that simply make me a free thinker and not a politically brainwashed hack...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-seeds-of-suicide-how-monsanto-destroys-farming/5329947https://nature.berkeley.edu/srr/Alliance/novartis/sterile.htmhttp://www.etcgroup.org/content/traitor-technology-how-suicide-seeds-work-where-they-are-being-patentedhttps://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/03/27/monsanto-and-seeds-suicidehttps://badsciencewriting.com/tag/suicide-gene/https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/seeds-evil-monsanto-and-genetic-engineeringhttp://www.rense.com/general73/dseed.htm
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Capitalism is designed at all. It is simply economic freedom in action. Will you also destroy Pioneer, Monsanto's number 1 competitor?I would take actions against a company or 2 companies completely monopolizing an industry to the point of creating seeds that cannot reproduce, yep. It's common sense. Resistance to monopolization is also the law. I want the law enforced rather than ignored per political kickbacks.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

The work that goes into genetic research and development is expensive. Though you haven't presented evidence of a currently existing sterility gene, it would be similar to an enforced copyright. Monopolies only persist over the long run with government help. All the government needs to do is let the market work. That used to be something the Right believed. Anti-Trust regulations are an invention of Progressivism.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

If you let Monsanto continue in this manner, you will have a monopoly on seeds. Then you will get Socialism by default. One entity with all of the food control. If that is "what the right supports", they and the left are headed towards the same goal, and are simply taking 2 different routes to get there.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

No monopoly in history has ever withstood the market over the long run. Monopolies persist with government help, and fail without it. There is no reason to allow baseless fear mongering to further degrade economic freedom.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

You want economic controls just like the Left.You want to make supposed evil Corporations pay, just like the Left.Not if they stay here or originated in a foreign country. It's called nationalism.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

The supposedly evil corp I was referring to is Monsanto. Trust busting is a Progressive position.It's called nationalismWell it isn't called Capitalism.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I can’t understand why the Right should target a private organization such as Monsanto. What exactly is their crime?Monopoly over the industry, efforts to destroy private farms, and the creation of the suicide gene in seeds, which is morally outrageous and logically very unwise for us to allow.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

A military that is this unstoppable would be one that the people this nation could not defend against. It is also one that all the wealth in the world cannot truly fund. Unstoppable? Sure. Undefeatable? No such thing.It's an overzealous word. It was a synonym for a "powerful military". If it is not undefeatable, then our people need not worry. Plus I'm the dictator in this situation, and I will only use it for good... as far as you know.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

While you’re at it, why not end world hunger and bring world peace?Not my job. It's my job to protect the people in my own country. And I will not allow forcing women into degrading oppression that is beyond the pale. This is a "left vs right" debate. Most of the world doesn't have a "left vs right" mentality or system, so I am assuming you mean the United States.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Why would you ruin all those great points with number 6 'biblical principals'.Morality does not need religion, religion does not need morality, as you can see in Manchester at the moment...All religion is poison, we are smarter than that.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Islam being poison doesn't mean other religions are poison. Not all religions are alike or even similar.We aren't smarter than that. The more the West has pulled away from Biblical principles, the worse it has gotten, from morality to terrorism.If Atheism was some magic cure, and religion was the "problem", then the greatest dictator mass murders wouldn't have been manifested by Atheists. Religion isn't the problem. Man is the problem.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Wow, you're blaming the west moving away from religion for terrorism? Where do you think the majority of radical religious terrorists come from...lol Cray.We have gotten smarter than that, we have developed sciences and medicines independent from and despite the prejudices of different religions. Just look at the catholic pope condemning contraception, look at the Jehova's condemning blood transfusions, islamic female genital mutilation etc. etc. etc! As for your moral compass if you are look at any of the supposed 'holy books', you will find they are plagued with moral contradictions and straight up immoral directions.Not to mention these books were written by the men at the time, they are mostly irrelevant and out dated and shouldn't be used for a guide in the 21st century.Just look at the 10 commandments, have you read them? Most of them are just ridiculous and don't make sense! Then do you really need to be told not to murder and steal? This is what our highly evolved brains are meant to be for! Well i don't know how evolved yours is though.....
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Where do you think the majority of radical religious terrorists come fromIslam, and it isn't close. Are you claiming that Europe and American were traditionally Islamic? No? I didn't think so.http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were- by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

lol What!? My point is that Islamic extremists do NOT predominantly come from the west. Can you even read?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

So you are openly admitting that Christianity is not the cause of suicide bombings, etc etc, and that Christianity formed the basic foundation of "Western morality" and that nations led by Atheists have had mass murders of their own people that is beyond the pale? I'll take it. Anything else?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Again, refer to the crusades and spanish inquistion etc. etc. All could have been avoided with out religion. Religious leaders committing mass murder dates way back before Mohammad and Jesus...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Uh huh. Seeing most everyone on planet Earth was religious long ago, we could simply say that it is human nature to commit evil acts. And seeing Atheists don't seem to be able to do any better, that just proves my point.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Well then you're basically just conceding that religion is bullshit, but ok i'll take that :)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

You already said you are not an atheist. As I said. If you can't even keep that straight, maybe debating isn't a skill you possess.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I never said I was an atheist, I never said I wasn't, for the 50th time now I have not told you my personal 'beliefs', yet you continue to assume I am an atheist, I don't even know why are going down this path unless you just want to go with more ad hominem attacks and arguments from authority...This is childish...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

I never said I was an atheist, I never said I wasn'tSo you aren't man enough to take a position or don't understand that "agnostic" can quickly silence any doubt on your belief.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

More ad hominem.... It's like you are trying really hard to lose this debate, dw you already lost :)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

I have not told you my personal 'beliefs', yet you continue to assume I am an atheistYou've given Atheist arguments. Are you claiming that you are a theist making atheist arguments? Perhaps I am debating a child?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

My arguments stand for themselves, if you are unable to refute them attacking my character will just make you look petty....
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

So, you could have told us what you are 41 posts ago. Are you a clown that lacks common sense?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

It's irrelevant to the debate, I just try to stay on track but I can see you're having a hard time, it's ok I'm here for you!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

So your illogical claim of the day is...If people believed it long ago, it can't be valid anymore...Cue coo koo clock.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Never said that, if so please show reference, but you can't...You're like a child that thinks the more they yell the more they win the argument lol
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

No, I'm actually just waiting for you to make a point and back it up with sources as though this was a debate site or something....
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Oh really? I was waiting for the same thing! Guess we will be here a while...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Me: Uh huh. Seeing most everyone on planet Earth was religious long ago, we could simply say that it is human nature to commit evil acts. And seeing Atheists don't seem to be able to do any better, that just proves my point.You:Well then you're basically just conceding that religion is bullshit, but ok i'll take that :)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Again, refer to the crusades and spanish inquistion etc. etc. All could have been avoided with out religion.This is the equivalent of saying, "the mass murders by Mao and Stalin would have been avoided if it wasn't for Atheism". Brilliant... simply brilliant...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Mao and Stalin didn't commit mass murder in the name of Atheism ROFLMFAO!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

1)You have no way to prove that.2)It doesn't matter. It proves Atheism is no magic cure, and may even be problematic within itself.3)I haven't even had to think in this debate yet. I expected a challenge. I didn't get it.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I don't have to prove it buddy you are the one making the claim, do you even know how this works!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

The crusades weren't based on Christianity. See how that works? It's like magic.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

The crusades were based on holy war between christians and muslims, you are really sinking the religion ship lol
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Just look at the catholic pope condemning... islamic female genital mutilation etc. etc. etc!So it's Christianity opposing female genital mutilation and not Atheists? Thanks for making my point.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Again, What!? You don't even make any sense? You think atheists oppose genital mutilation, what!? lmfao
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

I'm assuming that they do. Most Atheists vote Democrat, and it's the liberals that refuse to address female oppression by the Muslim world because Islamists are high on the totem pole of the oppression olympics that the left has manifested. And it's the "Christian right" that opposes Islam's philosophies politically. That's why they call us "Islamophobes". Anything else?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

That's the problem with assuming, you could just be flat out wrong...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Well, you do a lot of it. Do you not like it when I do it? tsk tsk Jackson. Hypocrisy is not a virtue... Wait... or is it in Atheism? Please tell us about more about your religion that now has mega churches...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Assuming again, I never said I was Atheist, you must really like being wrong, can you spell irony? :)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

If you are not an atheist half of your arguments made no sense. If you are something else, my points still stand. Christianity is the majority in the West, and the west is democratic. Anything else?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

What I 'believe in' is irrelevant, my debate points stand for themselves and you just keep avoiding them and resorting to trying to attack my belief structure, even though you have no clue what that is.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

And in closing... you were destroyed in our debates, had no citations, no links, and didn't know what you were talking about most of the time. And? The LOL's make you look like a rookie child. Off ya go.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

lol This looks familiar, another 'i beat you' speech, you sound like a kid that lost a running race, and you always know the kid that cries the hardest didn't actually win... :)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

As for your moral compass if you are look at any of the supposed 'holy books', you will find they are plagued with moral contradictions and straight up immoral directions.Fine. Show me the moral contradictions in the New Testament or in the teachings of Jesus Christ. I'll wait.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

So you want to implement the teachings of jesus and the new testament in school classrooms, you can not see the blaring problem with this? Why not the teachings of mohammed? This is a joke lol
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Why not the teachings of Muhammad? Because the teaching of Muhammad:1)Didn't form our culture or its moral code. Christianity did.2)Christians are the majority in the West, and it isn't close. Do you believe in Democracy or is it just a buzz word?3)Muhammad's commands are not compatible with the laws, culture, and values of the West. Have you read the Quran?4)Muslims aren't the majority or even close in the West. If they ever are, Atheists are in big trouble. You'd better root for Christianity because most people are looking for religion statistically.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

We now live in a multicultural society, considering muslims make up a large number if not close to a majority of the population in some western areas, why wouldn't it be reasonable that they call for their spiritual leaders lessons be taught?Same with Jewish people, or catholics, yet it's your specific 'god' that must be taught. You sound like a religious nut job!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

We now live in a multicultural society, considering muslims make up a large number if not close to a majority of the population in some western areas, why wouldn't it be reasonable that they call for their spiritual leaders lessons be taught?Your argument is working against you here. The Conservatives have tried to prevent this migration. Liberals caused it and welcomed it. It's not our problem if Islam get a foothold that Atheists do not like. They caused it. We aren't giving up our influence because the left is insane. Not our problem. It's theirs.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

You're just playing the blame game, it does nothing to change the legitimate argument I raised which you have neglected to properly address...
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Not really. Most atheists are liberals. Google it. Then copy and paste the link here, so we can both see it.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

lol Still neglecting! I sincerely hope you do not have kids!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

You sound like a religious nut job!I'm not religious at all. I have common sense and can see your argument is illogical.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Because I don't want 'Jesus's lessons' taught to school children? lol
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Maybe you're not in the majority. Are you a dictator, or do you believe in democracy? Which one of Jesus' lessons do you take offense to?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

The one in which his father created the 'heavens and the earth' among others...