azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

You promote hatred against God. You are not God. Stop calling yourself God.God loves you.Yes, if you redefine the word 'love'. You always try to twist His love into hatred by finding fault with people who say God loves you.I don't twist anything. That's why your words are so horrible.We all need forgiveness.You more than most. You are not any better than the people you find fault with.Not true, I am better. Time is a gift from God, and you abuse that gift by using it to blaspheme.You are the one calling yourself God, isn't that blasphemous? You insist God cannot rule over or against you and in so doing you leave Him no other way to show you that to leave you burning in Hell.Again, I say He doesn't rule over us. I acknowledge that He can go ahead and rule over us, but until He does I won't say that He is doing it. You are choosing your own way against God's love. That makes 2 of us. Everyone does it.You weary me with your hatred, so I give little if any time to reading anything you say.The darker text are the words I quoted from you. That's where all the hatred is. Your video mocking hatred is a waste of time.It isn't mocking hatred. You enjoy it because you feel better with hatred then you do with God's love.I enjoy it because I successfully turned you to the dark side. You don't want to repent of your sin so you get your bang out of hatred.Nope, wrong again. I hope you prove me wrong, but I'm see no evidence and weary of the drudgery you put yourself through fighting against God.I am only fighting against you. You are not God.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

We created ourselves through evolution.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

You just want to pretend you have an excuse for being a pervert.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

Your mother seemed to like it.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: the inconsistent triad

I believe what we're entering into here is the problem of evil presented by Epicurus, which is an extremely solid logical argument against the existance of the classical Abrahamic Gods (Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnibenevelent).Logically, this triad of traits is contradictory and inconsistant. It states at the most basic level that: 1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world. 2. There is evil in the world. 3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist.This stands up extremely well logically. One can argue that a god would have allowed evil to exist to give us the free will to defy it, but this then goes against the Omniscience property of god.Simply put, you can not logically accept the standard definition of the Abrahamic Gods (all knowing, all powerful, all loving) and accept that god loves us. However, I extend a challange to anyone who can show logically that God can have all three of these powers and still love us.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: free will

There's something I don't understand about your argument. Why would God being omniscient deny free will? Are you arguing that if he made us and formed our circumstances he essentially made our choices for us? Or is there something else to this argument that I'm missing? My main question about all this is, this: is there any sort of X factor...an element of true human free will? Or are we truly products of the way we were made, plus our circumstances and the decisions of those around us(which aren't their own either, of course)? I don't know the answer to this question, but I'm really curious about it. I know I'm getting a bit off topic, but to me this directly relates to whether or not there is a god...well, whether or not there is a biblical god anyway.I have another thought as well. I'm not sure I believe it, but it's something I've thrown around in my head. Would we know that we are broken people if it weren't for suffering? Would we know that we need God? Anyone have any thoughts on any of this? I'm probably just going to post my own debate, on this, since I'm clearly very curious about it. haha.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Omniscient means that he knows all things in all times. If he knows the future and knows the 'choices' you will make, how can there be any free will? He knows in advance the choices we are going to make, which evils we are going to suffer, the sins we are going to perform, etc. He apparently "made us," knowing before he even made us what every single person he was ever going to make would do throughout their entire life (because he is omniscient, and knows all things). How can there possibly be free will if our choices are made for us before we're even created?
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

So, are you arguing that our choices are a result of the way we were designed, and our experiences? I'm just trying to make sure I understand your argument, because I'm curious about this subject.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

Essentially. The argument I'm trying to put forward is that god is meant to have three properties, as attributed to him within the Bible: omniscience, omnipresence and omnibenevolence.Omniscience, one of the properties attributed to god, is the capacity to know everything infinitely. However, the very idea of free will is inconsistent with omniscience. Say for example that that you come to a crossroads, and you can either go left or right. God knew before you were even created (as he knows everything infinitely) that you were going to go left. Now, is it ever possible for you to go right? If you do go right, then god is wrong and is not omniscient. If you can't EVER go right, then do you really have free will? You certainly have the illusion of free will, as you are unaware that god already knows the outcome; but do you REALLY have free will? In a world where it was never an option for you to turn right even before you were created, can free will exist?As I've mentioned in other arguments, if god really does have the property of omniscience then life is nothing but a puppet show with god calling the shots.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Would you define your usage of the term "free will"?Erasmus and Luther seemingly debated the question of free will. But, neither of the two debated the question of free will. My argument is predicated upon the will of man. Free is not a necessary attribute of the volition of man.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Who says we are broken? Does it matter that we are not perfect? Nothing is perfect. Trying to be perfect or follow something that is perfect is only lying to oneself.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

The classic argument against this is the "Tree of knowledge". Basically, evil would not exist, were it not for the eating fruit from this tree, against God's will, through Satan's temptation. Or, in another interpretation, because Eve had sex with Satan. Which leads to the simple question. Why would God provide the temptation in the first place if he were all-knowing and all-loving? So basically, this argument fails. --------------My argument is that when speaking of dichotomous ideas such as good and evil, you cannot have one without the other. So were evil to not exist in this world, then neither would good. Were hate to not exist, then neither would love. It is the nature of these things to need their opposite in order to exist.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

if there really is no God why are you asking if God exist.. without the evil in our life we will never no what is the difference between good and evil
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

You obviously missed the point of my argument. There is no point having evil in the world, as god already knows what everyone will do anyway. He knows already who is going to heaven and who is going to hell.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

did he happen to tell you that? Here it goes again, you cannot make assumptions
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

"did he happen to tell you that?"Well, yes actually he did. The bible is "God's word," and the bible says that god is omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent. No assumption needed.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

It is a natural thing to know right and wrong. Cannibalism is wrong, why? Because species are programmed in their genetic code to not consume another of its species. Evil arises from the natural trait for greed. Good arises from a species that can comprehend the goal to help the species, not just oneself. Therefore morals arise naturally.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

"1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world.2. There is evil in the world.3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist."You cannot have good without evil. Due to free will Satan fell from grace and took up residence in Hell. God could have stopped him but because of free will He let the devil do what he wanted. God loves us because he gives us chances to redeem ourselves, like going to confession instead of sending us straight to Hell.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Why do we need to be redeemed? Maybe God does not deserve to be God. God is just as guilty as the devil, for those who do nothing to prevent evil when they have the power or oppurtunity to do so are just as evil, even cowardly. The point is that an all good, all knowing, all powerful god would make a universe where free will does not lead to evil. That is if he is all good. Personally, any god that can sit back and not help out, and then punish people for an eternity does not seem all good or loving to me.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

You need to realize that God has intervened. He sent Jesus to us so that he could die to forgive our sins. Free-will allows us to choose what we want to do, whether it is good or bad, it's up to us to do the right thing. God can tell us what to do but we do not have to do it. The people in hell are there because of their actions. God is good because he is just, he intervenes when it is necessary.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Jesus was a thousand years ago. What about the modern day? Science and intelligent, involved human beings have helped the world, with things such as modern medicine. Did god ever lend a hand? Could he not spare a finger to give a cure to cancer? The answer is no. You can believe your brainwashing ideology, and I will believe mine. This is an argument more of respect for god than whether he loves us.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

I am afraid I find fault in your premise. the first one make an assumption that does not follow the initial part of the premise. While a perfectly good god may exist, it does not follow that there should be no reason for evil in the world.  Since nature pretty well shows us there is balance to be maintained, one would more likely to assume that once good was created then evil was created in the same instant.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: free will

Of course, God loves us. He created us with free will because He loves us. Free will causes sin and suffering, not God. God became flesh as Jesus Christ and died for our sins. This is His perfect gift of grace to the world. Grace is unmerited favor. You do not have to earn it, just receive it.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: the inconsistent triad

But god is all-knowing, therefore there is no free will. He knows in advance the choices we are going to make, which evils we are going to suffer, the sins we are going to perform, etc. He knows this all in advance, and knows who is and isn't going to go to heaven. Unfortunately, with the triad of powers that god has (all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving) there's no leeway for free will. Without this important element of free will, god obviously doesn't love us.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: free will

There is a big difference between free will and predestination. God is all-knowing, but because He created us with free will, He did not predetermine our choices. Knowing what we will do, is not the same as choosing what we will do God "knows" we will sin, so He lovingly offers us the choice to accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and Redeemer. *Choosing" sin causes pain and suffering. Therefore, God is all- loving, God is all-knowing, and sin exists in the world.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: the inconsistent triad

But it creates the following problem. God creates us with free will, but knows before he even created us exactly what each and every one of us would do. I can't see how there is any choice there. God has created all of us with the distinct pre-knowledge of each and every choice that we will ever take in our entire lives. I'm sorry, but that isn't free will. We're given the illusion of free will and of being able to choose, but we will ultimately choose exactly would god knew we would choose before he even created us. That's a very sick puppet show that god is embarking on.It also presents the problem of god being all loving and all powerful, but refusing to intervene to stop our suffering which he knows is going to occur and, ultimately, intended. You can't have an all loving, all powerful and all knowing creator. There are logical inconsistencies there. Evil and sin exists in the world because god allows it to exist, allows us to "choose" those sins (which we didn't actually choose, since he knowingly created us ingrained with that destiny), and refuses to intervene to stop us from suffering. Wow... how loving of him.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

No, no. God loves us.Here's how it works:Yes, God is omniscient, and man is predestined AND man has free-will. Let's say God is a general in an army—the head general. And "soldiers" (people) are following Him in battle. Finally, they come to the BIG BATTLE—the final battle, the biggest battle there will be against the greatest ENEMY. Many soldiers, by this time, have already fallen away from smaller battles, but there's still let's say about 100 left. First, they rest. Then the general says, "It's time. Who will follow me?" Out of the 100 left, about 36 step forward in line and say "I'll follow you." So the general steps in front of each of the soldiers that have stepped forward to follow him, and says "Okay, then I choose you." to each one of the ones that volunteered. Now, the general being so wise, and knowing His men so well, already knew ahead of time which ones would step forward (which ones were too weary, too afraid, etc.) But He wanted them to know in their own hearts of their own free-will that it was their choice. He didn't make them, but because of His wisdom, He foreknew which ones would step forward for the final battle and only chose them.This is the best illustration I can come up with for how God gives man a choice, but is always still all-knowing.Peace.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: the inconsistent triad

The analogy you've presented is inaccurate to me; so rather then spend our time coming up with incorrect analogies (neither of us will agree on a correct one), just answer me this simple question:If god knows that a certain event will happen ahead of time, is there anything that a person can do to stop that event from happening?If you answer yes then god is not omniscient. If you answer no then all of the events leading up to that event are already decided, and even though a person may have the illusion of free will, all of their actions are predestined.Nothing you can say on this matter can convince me otherwise, I'm afraid. I've already thought long and hard about all the options, and the only possible option is that there can be no free will with an omniscient god. Arguments that make out that because god isn't actually making you do the action then you have free will are simply attempts to squirm out of a logical quandrary. Don't assume that just because god isn't directly causing an event that the people involved have free will. If your actions are known ahead of time, and there is nothing you can possibly do to stop that, then you have no real free will (only the illusion of it).
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

I imagine love is a very difficult emotion to express for something that does not exist.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: No god equals no love

Since I believe there is no god, I would have to agree with this statement.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Correct because something that is imaginary cannot love.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

That's not true! If you can imagine that your imaginary friend loves you, then it loves you. No one can say otherwise because no one else can imagine the same thing that you imagine. [;
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: No god equals no love

No, you are just imagining that (s)he does, I can imagine that my worst enemy loves me when (s)he clearly wouldn't. Pretending isn't the same, that's just you loving yourself in a weird way."god" loving us implies that (s)he would be reacting to things that happen to us. If god does not exist then it cannot have a reaction, therefore there is no love there.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

Damn. Bested again. Damn you imagination.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

ahahahahahahah. xD
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

I think that not only does he not love us, but he's bored with us. That's why we never really see acts of him anymore. And if someone wants to rebut that by saying "But people see signs of Jesus everywhere!" then they are full of shit because if you see a picture of Jesus on a billboard on the highway, that isn't a work of G-d, its just some random guy thinking he's funny.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Or, maybe we don't see acts of him because he doesn't exist?
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

if he doesn't why do you exist???
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

There's no why, only how? There's no reason for me existing, I just do because the environment allowed me to.How I am here is the Big Bang, followed by Abiogenesis, followed by Evolution through Natural Selection.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Then why does God exist? God exists because before humans gained enough knowledge to understand the universe, we needed something we could easily understand, that some super being we cannot see created and runs the universe. A self contradicting being at that. Only simple minded early humans could accept this. We also fear death because we have a hard time accepting the end of life. Therefore, God was made for explanation and to soothe the fear and lack of knowledge of death. Therefore, a being that was our own creation cannot exist and cannot love us.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: cheer up god loves you

We all just happen to be here. (; And when we die that's it, so whohoo! Lets just have FUN!
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: the inconsistent triad

Exactly. See, Jake's got the idea. We just happen to be here.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he is actually a SHE! which would explain so much more because women can give birth and men cannot and, supposing that she isn't necessarily a higher being but just another species, then she could also be hemephoradorous in which case everything that we think and believe would all make more sense!
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

I doubt he would actually be a SHE, because then why would he be called the Father in the Christian faith? haha. xD
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Especially as most religions hate women.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

Most religions are also false. ....................................................................................................
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Except for yours right?50 charactersssssssssssssssssssss
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: cheer up god loves you

That's right. Don't you believe your beliefs to be true? (;"50 charactersssssssssssssssssssss"I thought you where above that. I remember you telling me not to do that. That was you right?
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

I don't have a belief. But I just thought it was funny that you said most religions are false except for mine. How would you know that? You said it in such an authoritative sure manner that I found it funny.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: cheer up god loves you

You don't have a belief? So you don't know if god exists? Are you playing it safe, or you couldn't think of a good comeback??And im still curious about the 50charicter thing. "How would you know that? You said it in such an authoritative sure manner that I found it funny."How do I know?, well I'm assuming you care only about physical facts, so I can't really explain it to you can I? How do you know your belief is true? Or do you still claim to not have one. Which I kind of find funny.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Atheism is not a belief system. It is a lack of a belief. You can use the word believe, but I don't think a lack of a belief is a belief that is a bit nonsensical.And about the 50 character thing: You are referring to this argument http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Would_Governments_Unite_against_Removing_Religion_from_the_World#arg50697 Argento made a legitimate claim with support and you replied "You are a tool." So I said your statement is why the 50 character argument exists. To prevent people from making short insults instead of responding to the point. There are times when you can respond to someone's argument effectively in less than 50 characters, and that I have no problem with. You didn't even respond to Argento's point though. Are you satisfied?How do you know that your religion is correct? And you have to use a type of evidence that if someone used for anything other religion you wouldn't laugh at them. For example: "god told me." If someone said, "I know that 2+2=5 because god told me" you would be astonished.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

"It is a lack of a belief"Okay fine, I will ask you again. Don't you believe your lack of beliefs to be true? "For example: "god told me." If someone said, "I know that 2+2=5 because god told me" you would be astonished."But my religion doesn't interfile with scientific fact.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

Yes and my lack of beliefs is a result of a total lack of empirical evidence to the contrary. Do you believe your lack of belief in leprechauns to be true?"But my religion doesn't interfile with scientific fact."I actually didn't even mean to imply that. But if you want to head down that route, yes it does. Correct me if I am wrong, but Mormonism accepts all of the tenants of Christianity along with additional beliefs. Well Christianity does disagree with scientific fact: talking snake, resurrection, turning water into wine, and creationism.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

Or maybe we see and feel his acts but forget that these are his acts
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Correct.

No, definitely the not existing one. :-)
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: crazy

Wait! You're on to something. I take back my aetheist remark from earlier. (just kidding you're crazy as the rest of them)
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Wrong.

All of creation testifies that God exists and acts each and every day. The sun rises and sets, babies are given the breath of life, there are a seemingly limitless number of species with a seemingly limitless number of unique behaviors, each human being is different down to his thumbprint, the ocean only comes just so far, etc. You are a thinking, feeling sole that woke up this morning because God is alive and active.
Debate: God doesn't love us.
Side: Man Creates God

I have to agree with the great philosopher, Bertrand Russell, who wrote that "Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear." A study of the history of religions would show how each belief system changed as the level of crop-growing technology changed and societies moved from worshiping multiple gods toward following a single god. An open-minded analysis would show that God and religion are reflections of the human mind.