azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

"So if I kill my neighbour because his garden hedge "invades my territory" that's just nature and "is the way of the world that we live in and is neither 'good' or bad'.... like gravity"."No that's not what I'm saying. But I don't think it is bad, anymore than it is bad for a ram to butt heads with another ram or a lion to kill a competitor lion. I certainly don't think, if your neighbor kills you, that it was the work of some Satan sowing evil throughout the world. "why do you feel the need to insult the other side so much?"Because I think it's funny... and really what is this box on my desk for if not to entertain me.... but really, it encourages people to post their thoughts if they feel their silly little beliefs are being attacked. As if their beliefs are so righteous. Christians need to know, and believe in their heart, (like the rest of us) that no one on this earth knows what the deal is here. No person knows for a fact what will happen when they die. Not one person. And yet we have this huge group of people walking around looking down at us and telling us they know, and can personally communicate with god. That's the problem. Gravity has been tested scientifically since newton (a christian I know). It would be pretty silly to put up gravity against the Noahs ark theory in terms of evidence offered to support them. Science has proven mountains of concepts that backup newtons ideas of gravity. We know about terminal velocity, and how gravity effects mass, not volume, and how gravity not only holds us to the planet, it keeps us rotating around the sun, and the sun around the galaxy, and so on. What science is there to back up one guy building a boat big enough for millions of species of animals to live in for 40 days?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

"No that's not what I'm saying. But I don't think it is bad, anymore than it is bad for a ram to butt heads with another ram or a lion to kill a competitor lion. I certainly don't think, if your neighbor kills you, that it was the work of some Satan sowing evil throughout the world."If a man goes around raping and killing innocent woman, would you consider it evil or "survival of the fittest"?"Because I think it's funny... and really what is this box on my desk for if not to entertain me.... but really, it encourages people to post their thoughts if they feel their silly little beliefs are being attacked. As if their beliefs are so righteous. Christians need to know, and believe in their heart, (like the rest of us) that no one on this earth knows what the deal is here. No person knows for a fact what will happen when they die. Not one person. And yet we have this huge group of people walking around looking down at us and telling us they know, and can personally communicate with god. That's the problem."Clearly you haven't met the several atheists on this site (you included) who act as if they are superior to others because science supposedly supports them and not religion, as you said "no person knows for a fact what will happen when they die", but you act as if religion is automatically false."Gravity has been tested scientifically since newton (a christian I know). It would be pretty silly to put up gravity against the Noahs ark theory in terms of evidence offered to support them. Science has proven mountains of concepts that backup newtons ideas of gravity. We know about terminal velocity, and how gravity effects mass, not volume, and how gravity not only holds us to the planet, it keeps us rotating around the sun, and the sun around the galaxy, and so on."Yes, you've explained what gravity does. Now what actually is gravity?Anyway, there is evidence to support Noah's Ark (mass fossil graveyards, amphibious fossils on mountains)."What science is there to back up one guy building a boat big enough for millions of species of animals to live in for 40 days?"Life wasn't as diverse then. We have several cross breeds of cats and canines (thousands of species of those) when all Noah wouldhave needed is a few of them.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

What a messy, confused outlook on life you have. On your first point. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. Survival of the fittest explains the situation much better than Satan or a mysterious evil that permeates everything. So no, when I look at the millions murdered in the name of god, and the ongoing child rape that goes on regularly in the catholic church and is defended by the pope, I do not think these things are a work of evil devils. I think murder and rape are quite commonplace in this animal kingdom of which we are a part. "Clearly you haven't met the several atheists on this site (you included)"Clearly I am not included in that group. You find me on this very page supporting the idea of god as a creator. So I not an atheist. I am agnostic, I preach the gospel of I don't know, as everyone should. "Yes, you've explained what gravity does. Now what actually is gravity? Anyway, there is evidence to support Noah's Ark (mass fossil graveyards, amphibious fossils on mountains)."Gravity is a force of physics that applies to things with mass. It is a bi-product of the big bang. So that's exactly what gravity has been proven to be. What evidence have you? Where are the links to all this scientific evidence that supports the bible? Let me enlighten you on something, since you are so disconnected with the truth of things."amphibious fossils on mountains"Well this actually is evidence for the secular theory. One problem with this idea is that you used the plural 'mountains' which actually makes no sense at all if there was but one ark and one mount Ararat. Also, finding amphibious fossils on mountains slaps the Adam and eve-garden of Eden hypothesis in the face. Any fossil over 6-8 thousand years is a huge problem for you. Adam and Eve couldn't very well have named all the animals in a garden less that 10,000 years ago if we are looking at a fossil of an animal that lived 300,000 years ago. Modern science has answered the question of sea life on mountain tops and fish fossils in the desert.Sorry to say, the evidence doesn't point to your silly biblical account that was written 1500 years ago after a 1000 year old game of telephone before it was ever written down. Why would it? These MEN knew nothing of science. "What science is there to back up one guy building a boat big enough for millions of species of animals to live in for 40 days?""Life wasn't as diverse then. We have several cross breeds of cats and canines (thousands of species of those) when all Noah wouldhave needed is a few of them."So you are reporting to us that you know this. "life wasn't as diverse then". I'm sorry if I don't take your silly, religious, uneducated, word for it. I think I'd rather trust Harvard and Oxford and the encyclopedia and Charles Darwin and my history teacher, and my natural sciences teacher and geology and anthropology and palaeontology and the mountains of PROOF that they offer. I think that's more reliable that a very uninformed guy with a religious book. What do you think?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

You are more than welcome to believe it, but don't try to call yourself rational at the same time, don't pretend this is a logical conclusion. You have faith, and so you believe in unprovable stories that defy science and reason. That's how it works.See, I don't agree with this. The existence of God is perfectly compatible with reason. What makes it so unreasonable?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

The existence of god may be compatible with reason, but these 3 silly stories are not.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Not all atheists follow that guide line although that tends to be true some (like myself) are good people although we don't believe in the biblical stories. Truthfully if you think about it, the theory of god doesn't make too much sense, where did he come from? Oh ya the imagination of a man named Abraham.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Where did the theory of Evolution come from? The imagination of some man named Darwin.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

I guess you could say that but I'm quite sure his "imagination" had that the whole bible doesn't have. Facts.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Actually, it was full of assumptions. The phrase "let us assume" (or other versions of it) appears over 200 times in his books The Origin of Species and the Descent of Man.Anyway, it's nice of you to enter a debate with a completly closed-mind, how scientific of you.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

I do not have a closed mind in any way. I see how I may have come across that way but i am not I try to believe and see peoples views in their religion. However, these stories to me make no sense to me. For example, people today, if they inbreed (which Adam and Eve had to do) children tend to be born with genetic defects such as down-syndrome and others, explain to me why that is a parent today but not then? Also Isn't it a sin to have intercourse with a family member? Another thing, when the first thoughts of evolution not much was known but today we have scientific evidence connecting us with animals that are nothing like us today! So, The tale of Adam and Eve was created to help people understand how we came to be (due to the fact we didn't know at the time) but has now been turned into a lesson. I didn't even come to that conclusion, to me it was just a story, but to all my Christan friends its a lesson that i didn't care enough to figure out lol. Nevertheless, people no longer believe in these stories they are now just life lesson stories to keep faith in what you believe which in my opinion, in most cases, is a positive thing, But these stories are not something of fact but life lesson, so if you expand you mind a little more you might see that. (btw that last sentence wasn't meant to be taken as an insult but opinion.)
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

(1) Biblical scripture provides a subjective moral framework, and while this can sometimes encourage individuals to help one another and contribute to society it has also been one of the foremost (if not the greatest) causes of human strife and conflict. It has been and continues to be used to justify discrimination and inequity within society, and has been used at least as often to reinforce personal prejudices as it has been to direct individuals towards "enlightenment." (2) Not all atheists adhere to the simplistic "survival of the fittest" perspective you presented. As an atheist, I am of the strong opinion that individuals cannot act purely out of self-interest. I derive this not from a subjective faith, but from practical consideration of the facts and evidence available to me. Humans are biologically evolved to be sociable creatures, and our personal well-being is reliant upon the well-being of those with whom we share emotional attachments as well as the condition of our society at large.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

How, for example, did the tale of the 10 Egyptian Plagues help you become a better person?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Don't make other people into slaves.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

....or else god will massacre thousands of innocent men, women, and children who never in their life enslaved anybody and the do absolutely nothing for every injustice after that.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Amen ;)
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

What massacre of innocent people?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Is that the lesson really? Don't make other people into slaves? An early rule regarding slaves is found in Exodus 20:21 which stipulates that a slave owner must be punished if a slave dies after being beaten. Beating slaves was not forbidden in itself. Owning slaves was not forbidden but encouraged. The law books of the Bible also address the treatment of slaves. Leviticus 19:20 regulates sexual relations with slaves. Leviticus 22:11 concerns the possession of slaves by priests. Leviticus 25:42-44 forbids the sale of fellow Hebrews as slaves and stipulates that Jews had to buy slaves from the surrounding gentile nations.So Axmeister, the Bible obviously endorses slave ownership. It even offers guidelines for managing one's human property. You'd think as a devout follower of the faith you would know that.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

............TRIANGLES.O.o... Btw you mad bro? So you believe that every story that has a moral really happened?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Spam? I wouldn't expect that sort of thing from you Dremorius.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Sorry but the lunacy of your argument humoured me. XD
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

It's good to see how open-minded you are.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Yeah... just trying not to let my brain fall out.Anyway, as I was saying previously in the argument you said was a spam; do you literally believe it as true? I mean, any story could have a moral to make you a better person. ^_^
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

The purpose of the Bible isn't to be believable but is a vehicle for God to deliver His Word to His children. The Bible doesn't bare the burden of believability or to prove itself out to those that oppose it. Even more, it is clear from scripture that it is Gods intent to hide His truth from those that refuse to believe.Yet, it can be said that the Bible is consistent to itself and to the intent of its God. Odd it is that no one challenges Jesus turning water into wine, which implies a concession that some miracles are easier for God than others.God Himself says that His Gospel is foolishness and the Creation stories bare this out from our perspective.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

"Gods intent to hide His truth from those that refuse to believe"Does god intend to exclude the critical thinkers from his kingdom? Does god only want the gullible dummies that believe whatever they are told? I don't refuse to believe anything. If your god stood out at all from the hundreds of other religions and value systems I would know what to do. Apparently god has made me so damaged that I cannot understand. I guess I deserve to be set on fire...and burned for eternity. My bad.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Yes, it is the Word of God. Praise be to Him and to the Lamb!
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Not a fan of logic? The words were written by men. God supposedly even gave us some hand written documents, (the ten commandments) but he did not include the Bible. Clearly a work of man.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

The words were written by men.But inspired by God.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

"But inspired by God." Prove it. Assertions do not bear consideration.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

This is the belief of the Christian faith, I can't prove it. I'm simply clarifying my testimony.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

To what effect are you making the clarification? In my opinion, debate rather demands arguments rather than assertions. Why should I be swayed because you believe something? How is that proof? It is not a debate if everyone just goes back and forth saying: "I believe this. Well I believe this. But I believe this." There needs to be a "because" in there somewhere.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

To what effect are you making the clarification?Because I didn't want atheists reasoning under the wrong pretense.In my opinion, debate rather demands arguments rather than assertions.I would agree. Then why bother participating in a debate in which neither side can make more than an assertion? I find this ridiculous.Why should I be swayed because you believe something?I'm by no means saying you should or will be. Your perceptions are a bit off, I suggest visiting a debate on politics or another subject. That way, you won't have to partake in these discussions that you provoke yet find absurd.How is that proof?Again, it is not proof. If you're expecting to find proof in a debate concerning the existence of God, you've come to the wrong place. Not that any place would have it, anyway.It is not a debate if everyone just goes back and forth saying: "I believe this. Well I believe this. But I believe this." There needs to be a "because" in there somewhere.Haha you really are a newbie here. Everyone knows God debates cannot and never do have that element you desire.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Your perceptions are a bit off, I suggest growing up and not believing in fairy tales anymore. "In my opinion, debate rather demands arguments rather than assertions.I would agree. Then why bother participating in a debate in which neither side can make more than an assertion? I find this ridiculous."Hey, Troy. watch this. I'm going to make more than an assertion here. Watch close. I don't believe in the story of Adam and Eve BECAUSE two people could never breed a healthy population, evolution contradicts the story, and the worlds animals that the couple supposedly named personally could never all live at the same time, in the same climate. I don't believe in this evil character that god created to torture us, I don't believe in talking snakes and I don't believe in magic fruit. There is good reason not to believe these things because there is no basis in science for their existence. Now it's your turn, Troy. Go ahead...."I believe in the story of Adam and Eve BECAUSE...."
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I'm pretty logical if you don't mind me saying... hahaThe Bible has been written by man but all spoken by God. It is clearly a case of divine inspiration.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

There are many, many works claiming to be "of divine inspiration". I'm sure you believe they are all wrong like I do, except this one book, The Bible, which for some reason cannot be questioned, right?Does anyone on your side of the argument have any evidence to point to? I point to the laws of biology and physics that say that it's impossible to live inside a fish for 3 days, or get millions of species of animals on a 460 ft. ship that was built by one guy. You are the one's that believe these extraordinary claims so you should have to actually defend them. What happened? Did Moses part the red sea for real? Why should we believe this?I'm not saying I know it didn't happen. I'm saying people lie, and that's a silly story. Why would any rational person believe this?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

I think it was Sam Harris who I first heard make this point, but it goes something along the lines of this:Why is (insert Holy Book here) considered a work of the divine? Is it merely because it is so profound that it could not have been the work of men? If so, here is something to consider. Isaac Newton spent the period between the summer of 1665 and the spring of 1667, working in isolation during an outbreak of plague in England. When he emerged from solitude, he had invented the differential and integral calculus, established the field of optics, and discovered the laws of motion and universal gravitation. Many consider this to be the most awe-inspiring display of human intelligence in the history of mankind.Even now, over 300 years later, one must be exceptionally well-educated to fully appreciate the depth of Newton's achievements. Yet, no one doubts Newton's work was the product of human effort. It took over 200 years of continued ingenuity by some of the most brilliant minds who ever lived to improve upon Newton's work. How difficult would it be to improve the Bible? It would be trivially easy for even the layman to improve upon it scientifically, historically, ethically, and even spiritually. Considering the Bible or Qur'an to be so profound as to rule out the possibility of human authorship seems silly when compared to Newton's work - a work accepted as being of human authorship.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Well said. I certainly agree with you and Sam Harris.I'd like to point out that the book's many contradictions and historical errors also speak to the humanity of the work. People make mistakes. Does god make mistakes? Would god be unaware of physics and geography? I think no. For instance, a great flood in the middle east is believable and quite possible. If a person were living in that area during a massive flash flood, (which occurred regularly due to glacier melt at the end of the last ice age) that uniformed person might write about the event as a world wide event, being unaware of how big the world actually is. But the bible asserts that the entire world flooded, killing everyone but Noah and his family. This becomes a problem today when people know how big the earth is, and how much water that kind of flood would take. A worldwide flood of the magnitude that it would take to kill every person is simply not possible for that time period or any other. You'd think god would know that and if he/she wrote a book it would be more accurate than that.