azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

it's not about who's better, it's about who loves their country more. Patriotism was created in order to rally the civilians into accepting Dissent from Britain and creating a new nation built on new ideals. When the ideals were set (Declaration of Independence), it was the Patriots who supported this Declaration. The Declaration is what defines the country. Therefore, loving thy country is being a Patriot. Nationalism actually falls very much in Patriotism, although, Patriotism is believing YOU'RE better than everyone else, it's believing that AMERICA is the greatest country on Earth. It doesn't even matter on what you think of the Government... it's your support of America and it's ideals. Liberals could love their country just as much as Conservatives do, but unfortunately, they've failed in proving it. Both can arguably have done just as much action, but Conservatives have shown much more pride in their country, much more pride in the fallen members of the military. Hell, i'm not Conservative, but one trait I do have from them is that I express my love for the USA. Yes, liberals actually point me out as a Conservative just because i have a t-shirt that says "Support Our Troops", or a hat that has an American Eagle and an American Flag on it... and i always respond that my country is one of the most important things to me, and they actually look at me as an ideologue or even an enemy. In high school i was always pointed out as a Conservative by the Liberal kids and they actually would start debates with me out of random (even if they didn't know my political views). The problem was that they assumed i was a Conservative just because of my "Support Our Troops" shirt.Then, when i actually get complimented on my patriotic clothing, it would always be chants like "USA all the way" or "Hell yeah, fight those Iraq bastards". and this is very common. this is why, Conservatives (despite how many Liberals feel patriotic), have at least successfully convinced me that they are more patriotic.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Well let me just concede because your personal anecdotes have just convinced me.Let's clear this up, the shirt you were wearing said "support our troops." Although I agree with the sentiment, the shirt is quoting a motto that is associated with conservatives. Just like if you had a shirt that said "support our troops, end the war" it would be associated with liberalism. What your shirt implies is if you don't support the war you are, for some reason, against the troops. I am guessing that as an intelligent, rational person you don't feel this way, but never the less that is what the shirt implies. Maybe if the shirt instead said "I support our troops" there would have been less of a division. If the liberals or conservatives at your school thought the American Eagle or American flag was somehow a depiction of your political views then they're probably just narrow minded.My whole argument with how most conservatives view patriotism is they think that it only applies to those with the same views as them. Dividing the country and demonizing your opponents is not very patriotic in my mind. Patriotism and love for country has almost nothing to do with political affiliation.To demonstrate my point, let me leave you with three quotes...one by a former, conservative president, one by a conservative governor and one by our soon to be, liberal president:G.W.H. Bush:I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic.Sarah Palin:We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.Barack ObamaThere is not a liberal America or a Conservative America, there is the United States of America(I know grabbing random quotes isn't any better then your personal story but I wanted to do it anyway, so whatever)
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I have to up vote you here....Great point!!!!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Well, the score is now 19 to 21 and there are no arguments onthe liberal side. Interesting.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Just because all the arguments fall to one side matters not one iota! The "liberal" side fell to opposing the conservative side...that's why 99% of the writing is on this side and for no other reason.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Liberals always oppose conservatives more than favor themselves.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

yeah, like i said, thats interesting
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I am not sure why the liberal side is winning. Conservatives look at the positives of America, while conservatives the negative.When you see someone sitting for the national anthem or burning a flag, ask them if they are a con or lib. I'd be interested in that response: I bet ithey'd be liberal.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I don't agree with your thought that Conservatives look at the positives of America, while Liberals (I believe that is what you meant to say!) the negative, Republican08. I believe that liberals see both clearly and we are also ready to see and admit to the negatives. As a liberal, when I see someone sitting out the National Anthem, it makes me just as sick as burning an American flag. When I've been at a ball game or other place where the National anthem is played, I've been known to bring sitting down to their attention. They do get up about 80% of the time.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

How is it possible to say that liberals do not focus more on the negative side?It was Barack Obama (a.k.a. "The Savior") that told a little girl that America isn't like it once was. I heard McCain saying that we can make America what it once was! There is a big difference, and it is time we start to see that.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

You are incorrect in your wording on the Obama comment but even if you were not, America as it once was is a statement that needs context such as time frame and events. I took his meaning to be, since he is black, that a prejudiced America is not a good thing as is not having Health Care and sundry other things that have been missing from our nation for so long. McCain would also have to explain his remarks but both of these candidates simply want to make things better here. Obama is no "Savior" and neither is McCain.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Don't judge an entire group based on a select few members. How about this group that Palin supported?http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php Conservatives look at the positives of America, while liberals the negative (I fixed your typo, to what you meant)I think what you mean is that conservatives accept the status quo while liberals look to see how we can improve the country. Liberals helped make our country better by extending rights to minority groups. Conservatives? They thought blacks should get to the back of the bus. But ignoring the historic actions of both groups, politics don't have any bearing on your love of country. Patriotism is a separate issue and shouldn't be assigned to only Liberals or Conservatives.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Let's compare the two sides. Liberals are about forcing - they think by taxing and by forcing people to spread their hard earned wealth is "patriotic" when in fact paying taxes is a requirement. Conservatives are more patriotic because they want to cut taxes so people can be patriotic and donate... which is an option.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

In the history of the U.S. name one person who has donated money to the government. The closest thing I can think of is war bonds, but people got that money back.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

It's hard to say one is more patriotic the other. I was in the military and was with liberals, conservatives, socialists and others and they were all pretty patriotic. Patriotism is not defined by a party but by the love you have for your country. I am conservative to most people but believe in liberal ideas as long as it benefits AMERICA not individual americans.If you do nothing for this country but complain and ask for hand outs and do not support the people who have made it possible for you to be here and have the freedoms we have, well then you are not patriotic no matter who you voted for. If you burn the American flag in protest, you are not patriotic.Patriotism does not mean you are for or against WAR, ABORTION, HOMOSEXUALS, DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN. It means you love, respect and honor your country.So if you LOVE, RESPECT and HONOR your country you are PATRIOTIC no matter who you vote for or where you live.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Liberals are anti-American socialists. They support all our enemies & want to do the worst for our country.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

The pie chart goes to show how Liberal leaning the CreateDebate crowd is, and also how fickle the American public opinion is and how short memory is. People are just reacting to the last President in office. Yes, Congress was dominantly Democrat, but most people don't see it that way because they can only focus on one person- the President. So the politicians take advantage of the stupid voters and play up the party politics to try to win the votes of the day. People eat it up like rat poison fed to pigeons in the park, they love every bit of it.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

liberals?!?!?!?!??! how could this be. maybe they could be considered patriotic to the government since they support big government. but a Conservative is patriotic to its nation, it knows that the average person wants to have their freedom and liberates. a Conservative fights to wars, one is against people trying to destroy American values and ways, and the second is against a too powerful gov that wants more and more control. and as far as I'm concerned, a person patriotic to the nation's people then the nation's government is was i look for patriotic wise.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

If everyone truly hates us, why do they all coming running to us when a natural disaster strikes? Why do they send their children to our universities and colleges? Why do they nearly drown themselves trying to cross bodies of water to get here? I have traveled extensively abroad, and many are in awe of the U.S. - our freedoms, our sense of humor, our love of life, our freedom to debate, our freedom to self-education. If you see hate, it's most likely envy.Liberals aren't unpatriotic, just misguided. Communists and socialists are unpatriotic. Liberals aren't unpatriotic, they are just less patriotic. When was the last time a conservative went abroad and started bashing the U.S. Now, on the liberal side, let's remember the Dixie Chicks, shall we? Or Madonna? How about Alec Baldwin, he was ready to abandon his country because Bush won. Did Chuck Norris promise to leave the US if Obama won? Again, not that liberals completely lack patriotism, they tend to engage in more misguided behaviors.As we shall all see after about 6 months of Obama's administration. That man is in way, way, way, way over his head.And, his wife, she'll make Hillary look like Betsy Ross.But, I digress....
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

You must have traveled in your dreams...because most countries detest us and it has nothing to do with envy! It has everything to do with our butting our nose in where it doesn't belong...in other peoples business! Natural disasters, hmmm yes, it must be because we've done such a terrific job with Katrina and such! Colleges and Universities...yes, those that are of some means do send their children here to Ivy League schools but the fact of the matter is, the Euro high school education is still equivalent to one to two years of college here. Crossing bodies of water! I suspect you're talking about Cubans and their 90 mile trip in a rowboat!Liberals are not misguided, we're just intelligent enough to ask the right questions. We're no less patriotic than conservatives, in fact and in many ways we are more patriotic. What have The Dixie Chicks, Madonna, Chuck Norris or Alec Baldwin to do with anything here? I believe that everyone you listed with the exception of Chuck Norris was talking about George Bush's America and good for them. They spoke out!It pains me to know what you are teaching your children since you home school them. It must be great fun brainwashing small minds with your mindset and to not teach them to be open minded and fair. I have not yet seen you write anything where you didn't think you were absolutely on the money. There are simply no gray areas where you live.In six months to a year you'll eat every word you've spoken about Obama...and what does his wife have to do with anything? More power to her if she, like Hillary Clinton, can help her husband navigate through the mess you conservatives put us in over these last 8 long years!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

You nailed it, thanks (:
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

If you watch TV, read the newspaper, or search the internet, you've seen it's conservatives. There are always stories of leftist groups burning flags, shouting swears at Bush, wearing offensive t-shirts, and, of course, displaying hateful bumper stickers.Conservatives have been the ones standing up for America. Conservatives want America to win in Iraq. It was at John McCain and Sarah Palin's rallies that the people were chanting "USA! USA!" and the leftist groups wearing pink that were storming the RNC, only to hear chants of "USA!" from the conservative crowd.Clearly the Conservatives are the ones who love America through the thick and thin.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

....as well as through lunacy and lies! Too bad the reporter didn't have three feet...I'm sure the next shoe would have nailed the Texan!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

What? Nailed the Texan? I am not a Texan. I am an Illinois Republican and proud of it. The IL GOP is in a fight with Blagojevich and the Dems right now and were putting up a fight against the majority to get a special election.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

The Texan is George W. Bush! The Iraqi reporter is the person who threw both of his shoes at him!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Liberals are always trying to change change change. Shouldn;t you love America the WAY IT IS?!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

Are you insane?Imagine if America was run by fascists.Would you want to live there?Imagine if America was run by people who you didn't like.Would you want to change that?Liberals want to change because they think things are wrong.They're THINKING about the situation rather than ACCEPTING what's given to them, blindly.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

I agree. Politics and patriotism have no relation....However, I would say that conservatives do generally have a more patriotic view.Liberals fall back on the government. Why do you think many Veterans are Conservatives...
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Can you back those statements up please? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to why you would think that conservatives have a more patriotic view and that many Veterans are Conservatives. How many are many?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Ok, tell me...Out of 10 people, 5 are conservatives, 5 are liberals...Ask each one there opinion on the war...the 5 conservatives say they are in favor of the war, and stand by the governmentthe 5 liberals say the government is so stupid that they put us in a war, and won't end it...Now, who is going to support a war? 1. An older Veteran, who lives in North Carolina, fought for his country because he believes that America should always go to war with those who attack us...OR2. A working woman, who lives in Massachusetts, sees only that the government will be spending money to support a war...Tell me, who's the conservative and who's the liberal...I don't need numbers when I have common sense...
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

No, you need to back up your statements! Your plebeian quiz means nothing and I'll tell you why it doesn't. From what you've written you cannot see that protesting or being against something your country does is just as patriotic than going along with the governmental decisions. Going along with and supporting is what you find patriotic. Sorry, but that's got nothing to do with the definition of patriotism and neither does your quiz.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

patriotism:a devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.http://www.wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn patriotism: love for or devotion to one's countryhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriotism  Patriotism is commonly defined as love of and/or devotion to one's country. The word comes from the Latin, patria, and Greek patritha.[1] However, "patriotism," or the love of one's country, has come to have different meanings over time. Thus, the meaning of patriotism can be highly dependent upon context, geography and philosophy.Alright, although my argument that partioism=support is more supported, I can see where you are coming from..I suppose patriotism is relative, as many disagreements between democrats and republicans are...Just because I make a negative comment against the president doesn't mean I'm not patriotic. However, it does make me less patriotic than others who don't...You say that it is equally patriotic to tear down our government? How so? Back up your statements. I just proved your satement that partiotism has nothing to do with support wrong. So, I really don't know your argument here.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Liberals

I defined Patriotism in my first post here! I KNOW what Patriotism is. Your argument is not more supported at all. If you make a negative comment, and I'm not talking about things like he's an ass or stuff like that, that does NOT make you any less Patriotic than someone who keeps his/her mouth shut and goes along with the program or agenda because they haven't a mind to think clearly with! In fact, I would think it would make you more Patriotic by commenting on what you believe to be wrong! You don't love your country any less by not supporting something that is wrong! You support what is right and try to fix what is wrong!I asked you to back up YOUR argument 3 times already so don't tell me you don't know what my argument is. I've not said anything about tearing down the government here. Where did you see that?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

"keeps his/her mouth shut and goes along with the program or agenda because they haven't a mind to think clearly with!"HAHAHAHAHaYeah, the people who protest in the streets and scream and yell are thinking so much more clearly aren't they! please, the people that aren't protesting against the government are WORKING!
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Replace North Carolina with Indiana, and you've got Kurt Vonnegut, whoa) fought in WWIIb) was a self-described socialist, andc) opposed the war in IraqHow does he fit into your scheme of patriotism?Patriotism has nothing to do with one's politics or one's stance on specific issues. Patriotism is about supporting the country, not necessarily its current government. Patriotism is most definitely NOT about agreeing with the government no matter what, and Thomas Jefferson would weep at the implication.
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

Yeah and if anyone tries to argue... they wont win
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

YOU haven't said anything yet! What is it that you're arguing?
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: Conservatives

HUH????What in the world does that mean??
Debate: Who's more patriotic?
Side: politics does not equal patriotism

Who knows...he never makes any sense anyway.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

FDR will be remembered as the man who led america through the great depression and WWII, Reagan will be remembered as a man who supported terrorists and overspent on military
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

Yeah, because that's what Reagan is remembered for, right? Lol give me a break! At least Reagan didn't have foreknowledge of an impending attack on the United States and do nothing about it.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

Yeah, because that's what Reagan is remembered for, right? Lol give me a break! At least Reagan didn't have foreknowledge of an impending attack on the United States and do nothing about it.Also putting the Japanese into camps....
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

Reagan armed the Taliban in their war in the soviets in the 80's
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

So did other Western countries. He didn't know that they were going to use them against us in the future. Hell, Obama's been arming al Qaeda in their fight against Syria. Overall, Reagan was a good president.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

When did i say Obama was a good president? Btw Obama isnt a liberal, hes a moderate conservative
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

When did I say Obama was a liberal? He's a democrat... just like you. Throughout history, Presidents have armed countries and groups that ended up turning against them later on. Reagan didn't supply them because he had some sort of secret desire for America's demise. He was simply doing what he thought was right at the time... and keep in mind that military decisions aren't solely constructed and carried out by the president.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

Im only a registered democrat, i dont believe in everything it stands for, im an anarcho-socialist i believe in getting rid of large government and corporate power, ending the military industrial complex, and promoting secular humanist values, there are no true liberals in Washington
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

" there are no true liberals in Washington"I dare you to actually bring that up in an FDR vs RR debate. You narrow-minded fuck.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: RR

It is pretty obvious that Reagan will not be remembered for that. The Republicans are always talking about how great he was, and the Democrats don't really argue that they are wrong. So, Reagan will be remembered as a good president.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

FDR helped the poor, RR helped the richFDR led us through a depression, RR lead us deeper into a recessionFDR fought the forces of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, RR falsely took credit for breaking up the USSR FDR gave relief to minorities, RR painted them as second class citizens whom live off welfareFDRs New Deal kept the poor from starving, Reganomics gave breaks to huge buisnesses who prey on the lower class
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

FDR may be better, but I disagree that Reagan will be remembered the way you say.
Debate: Who was a better President? Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan
Side: FDR

I didn't mean to say Reagan was the worst president ever, what i mean to say is he is not the perfect messiah these conservatives paint him as