azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Mack what is the extent of any self-incrimination? In the matter of abortion and gender specific amputation it is admitting publicly we are together taking part in a crime. Man and Woman together. The word abort means to officially stop a process that has been recognized to have officially been started. No official start means automatically there is no official end of start by aborting. This directs us instantly to the next step of the process and it is termination.We however are talking Gender specific Amputation as we have no idea of state of health of future sperm or fertile embryo. While a woman also does not address the issue of natural limitation of use of live sperm. A woman produces in most cases one embryo, but in all cases never equal embryo to insure survival of all living sperm. We know this as fact.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I'm still confused about what exactly you mean........................................................
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

By Merrian Webster, abortion is defined [1] as “the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.”Several references [2][3][4] suggest that human life begins at conception or fertilization, a process where the human being emerges as a zygote, whose formation is taken as the beginning of embryonic development.[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion [2] https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html [3] https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins [4] https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/yw397w/government-hhs-now-says-life-begins-at-conception Therefore abortion is a murderous act since it involves a deliberate attempt to kill a human being who deserves to live, grow and prosper just like everyone else.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Your source [2] states that the development of a human being begins at conception, in the same way the development of a car begins when the parts are made, but it isn't a car until the parts are assembled. Your source [3] is from the reasonably biased american college of pediatricians, so it is untrustworthy. Source [4] defines life as beginning at conception, not a human being, just some form of life. I didn't fully read every source, so I may have missed something, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether abortion is murder. You must analyse why murder is morally wrong, and then decide if abortion meets those specific reasons. Claiming something is murder isn't enough.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

First, do you have any reasonable fact or evidence to claim that American college of pediatricians is a biased or untrustworthy organization?No matter what, by source 2 and 4, the life of a human begins at conception. So abortion, which is a deliberate and forceful termination of a human life, fits into the definition of murder. If it's not a murder, what would you rather call it? Just removing tissues?From the analogy you provided, a part of a car is not the car itself, but it has its own value. Whether you steal the entire car or only a part of it, it's still stealing. The same logic applies here. Just because a zygote, embryo or fetus is not a fully developed human being doesn't mean we can neglect its life. It has the potential to live, grow and survive like a normal human being. So purposely terminating a life is definitely a murder.It's probably a good idea to discuss why murder is wrong, but it's currently not the point of this debate.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Source 5: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-college-of-pediatricians/  That is not the only site with similar statements about the source.I already explained why sources 2 and 4 did not support your argument. The fetus is not yet a human being nor is abortion illegal, so it isn't murder. I would rather call it killing a fetus.You say: "From the analogy you provided, a part of a car is not the car itself, but it has its own value. So whether you steal the entire car or only a part of it, it's still stealing. The same logic applies here."It is still stealing, yes, but it is no longer stealing a car, just like abortion is still killing but it is no longer killing a human being, therefore not murder."Purposely terminating a life is definitely a murder."Is it murder to shoot a deer? That is purposely terminating a life."Yes, it's probably a good idea to discuss why murder is wrong, but it's currently not the point of this debate."Agreed.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Your provided link from MediaBiasFactCheck.com doesn’t include any specific evidence or hard fact which explains why ACPeds (American College of Pediatricians) is untrustworthy in the field of pediatrics or embryology. However, my own googling showed that ACPeds has a couple of conflict with AAP (The American Academy of Pediatrics), so I will exclude source 3 from the discussion to avoid unnecessary dispute.Let’s move on to the main part of our discussion.You said..."I already explained why sources 2 and 4 did not support your argument. The fetus is not yet a human being nor is abortion illegal, so it isn't murder."Here is a text in my source 2 from Princeton University, which I want you to take a good look. It says..…"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29.The text clearly explains that a human organism is formed in the process of fertilization (conception), which means that the zygote, embryo, or fetus in the womb is indisputably a human being. So abortion, which is, purposely killing a human being who deserves to live and grow, is definitely a murder."Is it murder to shoot a deer? That is purposely terminating a life."Killing a deer is not a murder since it’s not human. But killing a fetus or embryo is a murder since it’s a deliberate termination of a human life.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

You say:"The text clearly explains that a human organism is formed in the process of fertilization (conception), which means that the zygote, embryo, or fetus in the womb is indisputably a human being. So abortion, which is, purposely killing a human being who deserves to live and grow, is definitely a murder."A human organism is not necessarily a human being as a human being (according to google, Oxford and Collins dictionaries) must be a man, woman, or child (which a fetus is not) and in two of those definitions a human being also has "superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance," which again a fetus does not have. A fetus may be a unique organism of the human species, but it is not yet a "human being." Also, abortion is not illegal, which is another requirement for it to count as murder.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

That form of life would have to fit into some species, and the only one it does fit into is that of the homo-sapien species, making it a human being. Yes, it is in the early stages of development, but a five year old kid is still developing as a human and growing. Is he not human either? Of course, he is! One can be developing and still be human
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Unfortunately, google definitions do not suffice in this circumstance. There are severely disabled humans who are unable to articulate speech and some who have stunted mental development, but it doesn't make them any less human. Just because a so-called "fetus" is in its early stages of development, one cannot say it is less human because it is less developed than an adult. If that were the case, when human life begins would be an incredibly subjective matter
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Murder is illegal killing. Abortion is legal killing.If you say despite that fact then it is still murder then you also must believe self defense, police actions, war, euthanasia, high risk surgeries, are all murder, too.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

The word Abortion only describes a murderous act. A phrase like Gender Specific amputation does not.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

You can not kill a clump of cells. Although I do believe that there should be a certain extent to abort then it wouldn't be murder. A women should have her own choice it is her body. Not only that but the fact is that we have the right to privacy it is a private issue what goes on in person's life no matter what. The government shouldn't have to tell you what you can't do or can do. Person hood begins after a fetus becomes “viable” (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception.Embryos and fetuses are not independent, self-determining beings, and abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. A person's age is calculated from birth date, not conception, and fetuses are not counted in the US Census. The majority opinion in Roe v. Wade states that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment [of the US Constitution], does not include the unborn."
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Person hood begins after a fetus becomes “viable” (able to survive outside the womb) or after birth, not at conception.Embryos and fetuses are not independent, self-determining beings, and abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. A person's age is calculated from birth date, not conception, and fetuses are not counted in the US Census. The majority opinion in Roe v. Wade states that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment [of the US Constitution], does not include the unborn."That's very finely put. Have to say I agree with you on this occasion.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Thank you I appreciate it, do you usually not agree with this view?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Thank you I appreciate it, do you usually not agree with this view?The view is fine. It's you I don't usually agree with.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

In addition to the reasons that abortion itself can be justified:Self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.Mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances for those remaining.-------------------------There are additional arguments against making abortion illegal:-------------------------Ineffectiveness:"Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates." (ref)Laws making it harder to get abortions are making them happen later in the gestation, and are more dangerous/costly, etc.Complexity:The actual complexity of writing a law that applies for the range of possible circumstances:Should selective reductions to improve the health of multiples be legal?Should it be legal to protect the life of the mother? (how certain does the doctor have to be that death is likely?)Should it be legal to protect the health of the mother? (how do you define "health" - severe organ damage? mental health?)If a 10 year old is raped by an uncle and becomes pregnant - which is better: having the child or an abortion? Who gets to make the decision?Should embryonic stem-cells be used for research or in curing diseases?What about extra fertilized eggs created for in-vitro fertilization?Would several forms of birth control pills, IUDs, etc. become illegal?What penalties should be imposed on the woman, the doctor, other people who knew?Enforcement:Is it reckless endangerment for child-capable women to consume coffee/soda/tea, sushi/oysters/clams/mussels/crab, several types of fish, homemade ice cream, mayonnaise, lox, steak tartar, pâté, unpasteurized milk, soft cheese, deli meat, etc. etc.? If she has consumed any of these and has a miscarriage, is she guilty of negligent homicide?Should all miscarriages be investigated as potential abortions/murders?The cost of investigating all the new potential crimes and jailing of all the new criminals, etc.Scarcity:Are there lots of 9 month pregnant women getting abortions to fit into a dress for a party?Alternatives:Focusing on education about the responsibilities of sex, using protection, etc. reduces abortions.An IUD program in Colorado was very successful at reducing both teen pregnancy and abortion rates (ref)
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I support free contraception for shit and giggles. Why do you think I had a bilateral salpingectomy. I support single payer healthcare, sex ed, oppose the death penalty, and all torture, oppose spanking children, support gun safety legislation, adoption rights for rape and domestic abuse victims, and fund contraception through Planned Parenthood. I'm just saying this to vomit my feelings on homicide and murder so I can stfu. My choice to have my tubes removed hurt my heart, but I did it so I would not need an abortion. God hates hypocrites and would hate me if I had an abortion instead of preventing conception. To see babies thrown away like trash kills my heart. Forced death is so sad. I DON'T BELIEVE IN FORCED BIRTH either, I just want women and girls to choose before conception. I want to say how sorry I am. I see my therapist tomorrow to taslk about it.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I agree with you on a lot of that.I'll bring it back to my original question - is self-defense murder? Not all death is unjustified. When should a person have a right to self-defense?God hates hypocrites and would hate me if I had an abortionThen, you might be happy to know that the bible actually (conspicuously) doesn't say anything about abortion. (The verse in Exodus is about an accident, not an abortion, and is treated as a property crime against the father, not murder.)I want to say how sorry I am.No problem - I get passionate about things too - I don't take arguments here personally, nor should you.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

For medical reasons and rape victims. Please otherwise join the fightforbirthcontrol.org. I'm very sorry sweetheart. Please forgive me.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

What constitutes "medical reasons" in your opinion?no forgiveness necessary.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Any situation where it's not neurologically or physically safe for the mother to be pregnant or give birth. Of course birth control is better, but you can't always predidict these things.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

you can't always predidict these things.agreed.neurologically or physically safeif this includes mental distress, etc. wouldn't this mean all abortions should be legal?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I'm talking scizophrenia, not being a selfish bitch who should use birth control, or not had sex.....................................................
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I think I heard someone say:"Of course birth control is better, but you can't always predidict these things."
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Banned for trolling. Women who don't want children should use birth control or not have sex. Fucking murdering whores................................
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I don't take arguments here personally, nor should youYeah right. You call people names on here all of the time when you are proven to be wrong.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

And, you think calling people names (like you do in your post) is an indication that someone is taking it personally?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

I know you take it personally. I can see you taking it personally. Your language choice is because of this as well.--“Butthead”, four year old Alex screams at his father, when his dad refuses to carry him on his shoulders. His father turns shades of red and purple, while passers by on the street wear appalled expressions. Their raised eyebrows seem to imply, “What kind of perverse child are you raising? Do you speak that way at home?”Though a parent feels shocked and embarrassed when a child uses these choice words, it is helpful to know that name-calling is part of a preschoolers natural development. Sure, she may be repeating phrases she heard on television, but in her everyday experience she also stumbles upon a secret. Language can give her power. One day, when one of her friends, cousins or siblings angrily calls her, “Butthead,” your child does not even know what it means, but it renders her speechless. She then turns around when she is angry and uses this term on others, and lo and behold, they freeze. Now she has got the power. Enjoying this new found control, she proceeds to use charged expressions over and over again. Peepee, doodoo ,penis, vagina, stupid, idiot, and shut up are her favorites. Preschoolers often sit around saying these words to one another and giggle, (the terms excite them and make them feel like one of the crowd.)https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-raise-happy-cooperative-child/201601/name-calling
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

What does the book say I should do with a child that uses name-calling like "ignorant little weasel"?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

You shouldn't use terms like that, so stop doing it. I do not want you to wind up being multi raped by thugs named Brutus and Bubba in prison.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

When he is angry because you will not let him watch television, he may say, “I'm going to cut you up in a million pieces” or “You're stupid.” These phrases and others are actually the equivalent of saying, “I'm mad.” Here are some approaches that you can take when your child is angry and calls you names.https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-raise-happy-cooperative-child/201601/name-calling
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Try using your big-boy words and debate the actual topic...
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Deflecting from my point I see. Probably best in your position. Toodles.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

What point - that people shouldn't use name-calling, while you were using name-calling...?Do you have any point related to the actual debate topic?
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

It doesn't look like he called you a name. Please stop making liberals look like butt donkeys.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Realizing how dumb it made him look, he edited his post and removed the "ignorant little weasel" part.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

You are not justifying the right to self-incriminate to officially stop life. There is no justification to what is being done using the wording abortion.. You are looking to incriminate all others to the crime and simply have no idea you are putting them at risk of becoming an accessory to the confession made. A justification to abortion is gender specific amputation as the official end of life must be proven and is not required automatically by all woman as self-incrimination.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

If the lady was raped, or the mother has medical problems. Otherwise, I agree.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Why does rape and medical issues demand a woman and man make a self-incrimination to a capital crime? That makes no sense. I do not see how you can say a woman has no right to gender specific amputation.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

I was raped. I had every right to take those progestin pills, and I would have aborted my baby had I conceived because 31 states forbid rape victims to choose adoption without her rapist's consent. The abortion also would have been medically necessary as I would have been denied my life saving medications and that would kill me. How prolife of you not to care about me. I have the right to not coparent with a rapist.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

What abort for mercy and selective reductions?Mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances/health for those remaining.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

You are not justifying the right to self-incriminate to officially stop life.Do people "self-incriminate" when they "officially stop life" in self-defense?There is no justification to what is being done using the wording abortion..I gave several - refute them if you can.Self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.Mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances for those remaining.You are looking to incriminate all others to the crimeYour profile says you live in the US - abortion is not a crime in the US.A justification to abortion is gender specific amputationWhat you are trying to say is not clear.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

I can't just ignore you, because I agree with you, completely.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the motherSo does drinking a glass of water. Let us make it illegal.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

To be clear, I think self-defense should be legal, not "illegal".
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

Do people self-incriminate when they officially stop life in self-defense? Yes, when they say they will stop life an hour, day, week, and month ahead of time. Yes, I live in the U.S. and no self-incrimination to a crime is not illegal. However it does not mean it cannot be proven illegal to spite that fact. We can confess to a crime. So what.Gender specific amputation is a justification to abortion. What are you trying to say it is not clear? Abortion is asking permission form the public to have a public execution without a trial to protect the general welfare of all people. This is very illegal in all States within a judicial United State. Unless Communist as it is an act of marital authority and has even legal ramification inside the United State of many Armed Forces throughout the world. Including the United States of America.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I disagree.

Abortion is asking permission form the public to have a public execution without a trial to protect the general welfare of all people.No, it isn't.Abortion - The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

It is interpretation and it is not accurate. An understanding of abortion is an official Stop/Pause that creates a stop. An official termination is an End/Stop period. The reason behind any United States Constitutional separation regarding pregnancy is based on a woman’s natural inability to accommodate all living sperm, with a live embryo upon the conclusion of sexual intimacy.There is no battle to gain authority in pregnancy there is a battle to insure impartiality.
Debate: Is abortion murder?
Side: I agree.

To Constitutional clarify the abortion self-incrimination also known as admission, or confession. A person, or group must justify the reason why all woman must admit publicly to murder. Regardless of guilt or innocence. Justify the crime so they may not be found guilty of the admission is not adequate, fair, or legal in this context.If the group cannot justify having all woman admitted to a crime not all woman commit. It is form of lie that is related to a felony crime. The word Abortion only said two things. A murder will happen, or a murder has happened. This is made clear by the justification immediacy made after. Keep in mind no-one has been given a Mirada right.