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Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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All the prophecies came true, I just gave you the one you wantedWhat i wanted was a prophecy that is distinct, has significant evidence backing it, predicts a detailed outcome, and cant be force-fulfilled by mankind. You claim they all came true but only this one is accurate, specific, and provable? And this one isnt even any of those things, not by my standards. It seemed highly unlikely to you that one military force warring with another might achieve victory after a vague span of time? Also all the research i did says that that war ended in victory around 628AD. A prophecy specific enough to differentiate between a victory in war and a victory in battle would be nice. And the mountain comment was addressing the Dead Sea being the lowest point on earth prediction. That could be divine revelation, god describing the topography of the land to Muhammad, or it could be a lucky guess, primarily based in an ignorance of the world outside the Holy Land. I.e. when you whole world is restricted to areas you have seen yourself, the tallest mountain in the world is, for you, the tallest mountain you've seen.
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I doubt it is a lucky guess. I mean, of all the places in the world, Mohammed was not even in Israel. The prediction was accurate, and specific but to some extent, such as who will win and who will lose. Maybe not specific in timing. though. What if I give a nice list of prophecies and the amount all together would give my argument some credibility. At least you admitted that it is possible for the koran mentioning the lowest land to be a divine revelation.
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The prediction was 50/50, predicting the victory of one military group over another. Specific would be the exact date, time, and locations that notable battles would be fought, the names of the people involved, casualty reports, knowledge of anything that might be looted or pillaged, etc. And the timing is just an example of how vague prophecies can be made to fit real outcomes. So long as the Romans achieved at least one victory in a 3-9 year span, you consider the prophecy to be true, even though the war wasn't won until about 15 years after the prediction.A list of semi-true prophecies do not invalidate one false one, it's the other way around. All of the Islamic prophecies much be unequivocally true and provable, which i already know they are not, in order for any of them to be taken seriously. I was more curious to see if you could produce even one that met up to reasonable standards of proof and accuracy. At least you admitted that it is possible for the koran mentioning the lowest land to be a divine revelation.I was more expressing once again my astonishment that the god of the whole of creation squanders his words on topographical descriptions. It just seems odd that a god who made billions of universes is so interested in talking about the lowest point on planet earth to a bunch of 2000-year-dead desert savages. The same way i think that the rules regarding shellfish and pork indicate that there is no god, and, if there is, he's a weird little control-freak. Like, 'let me interrupt the sculpting of space, time, and matter to lay down the law of haraam eating habits to some barbaric nomads on one random planet.
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As I said in my other reply, The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Egypt. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:“Amr… undertook the invasion in 639 with a small army of some 4,000 men (later reinforced). With what seems astonishing speed the Byzantine forces were routed and had withdrawn from Egypt by 642… Various explanations have been given for the speed with which the conquest was achieved.”
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Various explanations like that the "small army" was "reinforced" to be the largest army in the region? And given that this happened after the prediction and after his death, couldn't you also say that Muhammad less predicted the invasion of Egypt and more caused it by predicting it?
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How is this? The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Egypt. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:“Amr… undertook the invasion in 639 with a small army of some 4,000 men (later reinforced). With what seems astonishing speed the Byzantine forces were routed and had withdrawn from Egypt by 642… Various explanations have been given for the speed with which the conquest was achieved.”The Prophet predicted the caliphate and martyrdom of UthmanAccording to an authentic narration, the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, declared:‘Uthman will be killed while reading the Qur’an. God will dress him in a shirt but they will desire to remove it from him."By this saying, he meant that ‘Uthman would become Caliph but his deposition would be sought, and finally he would be martyred while reading the Qur’an. This happened exactly as he predicted.The Prophet predicted the conquest of Istanbul13. Again, according to an authentic narration, the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, declared:Surely, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be conquered (by my community); how blessed the commander who will conquer it, and how blessed his army.He thus foretold the conquest of Istanbul by Muslims, and indicated the high spiritual rank of Sultan Mehmed, the Conqueror, and the virtuousness of his army. What he foretold took place centuries later.He predicted the increase of the use of riba (usury/interest) so that no one will able to escape being tainted by it. This clearly the state of the world economy today.The increase of sexual promiscuity, and new diseases that people had not herd of before spreading amongst them as a consequence of that. This is clear, with the arrival of AIDS, and other previously unheard of viruses.The Prophet predicted the appearance of Mukhtar and Hajjaj According to an authentic narration, the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, declared:From the tribe of Thaqif will appear a liar who claims Prophethood and a blood-thirsty tyrant.By this, he gave tidings of the notorious Mukhtar, who claimed Prophethood, and the criminal Hajjaj, who killed tens of thousands of people.The Messenger predicted ‘Ammar’s martyrdom in a civil war3. Bukhari, Muslim and Ahmad ibn Hanbal record:During the construction of the Prophet’s Mosque in Madina, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, told ‘Ammar:What a pity O ‘Ammar, a rebellious group will kill you.‘Ammar was killed in the Battle of Siffin by the supporters of Mu‘awiya, who rebelled against Caliph ‘Ali.It would be foolish to not give these prophecies some kind probability that they are divine. just a bit of probability.
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If you're a Muslim prophet and you predict that a Muslim army will take over a city, don't you think that influences the conquerors? Or the martyrs? It would be foolish to not give these prophecies some kind probability that they are divine. just a bit of probability.Which prophecies, though? You've shown me prophecies that are on-par with the predictions of literally any other religion or mythology that has predictions. Yours are no more accurate or specific or free from human influence than the predictions of Christians or Jews or even other, non-desert dogma religions. So which god is revealing these things, and why does he keep revealing things to people in different religions with equal measure?
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What about the other things I said, such as the false prophet and the murderer, and the death of Uthman and the false prophet and murderer.
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All of those are predictions you can find fulfilled in other religions, as well. And i didn't write out an examination of each one because they all fall short for the usual reasons: they are not specific or accurate enough, they do not necessarily indicate divine revelation, and, in some cases, are open to be fulfilled by people who already believe the prophecy and want to see it fulfilled. And come on. Muhammad predicting a false prophet is like Coke predicting Pepsi. He's just downplaying the competition that will inevitably come to exist.
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he predicted the tribe he came form. Also you have this verse,: "[We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)" describing embryology.
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He predicted religious opposition from a local tribe. Surprise, surprise.And rudimentary knowledge of biology is not a prediction.
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No one could have known about how the baby developed at the time, it was in the uterus itself and we just discovered it. He did not predict religious opposition from another local tribe, he said that there will be a bloody tyrant and a false prophet from that tribe.
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A bloody tyrant and false prophet sounds like religious opposition to me.
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Also if your religion and the corresponding prophecies are true, it shouldn't be so hard to furnish proof of this. They should all be accurate, specific, and have substantial reasonable evidence supporting them. What we have instead is a raft of guesswork that through sheer number of predictions is bound to stumble across something true from time to time. Islam has about the same success rate in this practice as Christianity. If either of these religions had accurate prophecies, it wouldn't be a matter of ferreting out the few predictions that, to some degree, came true. They should all be obviously and provably correct if the prophets were actually divinely enlightened.
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Reason 1- prophecies ? correct?
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There is no reason to think any god exists, therefore there is no reason to think that any god came down here and sacrificed himself to appease himself.We have no reason to think Jesus actually existed.You believe because you are ignorant and gullible in this area of your life - but you can be fixed if you do your homework.www.godisimaginary.com
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The thoughtful Atheist, full of skepticism but fearful of the possibility of theexistence of God and a Day of Judgement, may wish to consider the ‘prayer of theskeptic,’ as follows:“O Lord--if there is a Lord,Save my soul--if I have a soul.”
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I'm nothing if not a thoughtful atheist, but it's not skepticism that drove me from religion, but revulsion, and I absolutely refuse to let fear, the lowest of emotions and religions favorite trump card, to have any sway over my life when it comes to determining my religious beliefs. Fear of Judgement Day is just one more trick religion has to get us to submit, and while I'm not surprised it worked to control illiterate savages and barbarians thousands of years past, I'm astounded so many people in this day an age allow themselves to fall prey to Pascals Wager.
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Francis Bacon is noted to have commented, “I had rather believe all the fables in thelegend, and the Talmud, and the alcoran (i.e. the Qur’an), than that this universal frame is without a mind.” He went on to comment, “God never wrought miracle to convince atheism, because his ordinary works convince it.”5 Worthy of contemplation is the fact that even the lowest elements of God’s creation, though perhaps ordinary works in His terms, are miracles in ours. Take the example of as tiny an animal as a spider. Does anybody really believe that such an extraordinarily intricate creature evolved from primordial soup? Just one of these little miracles can produce up to seven different kinds of silk, some as thin as the wavelength of visible light, but stronger than steel. Silks range from the elastic, sticky strands for entrapment to the non-adhesive drag-lines and frame threads, to the silk for wrapping prey, making the egg sac, etc. The spider can, on demand, not only manufacture its personal choice of the seven silks, but reabsorb, breakdown and remanufacture--self-recycling from the component elements. And this is only one small facet of the miracle of the spider.
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So your entire argument for the existence of God is simply that humans find the world very complex? Simply because we cannot understand it without large amounts of research does not make anything supernatural.I find that argument both spectacularly ignorant and spectacularly arrogant. Humans have explained the finer workings of spiders, they are understood, and no longer so amazing, if you but so made an effort to research them. It does not surprise me that those that look to religion for answers do not look anywhere else.Secondly, it's arrogant, because you play human understanding as the crux between natural and supernatural. If you cannot understand it, that does not mean anything about the ontological origins of the object, or the world as a whole, it simply means you cannot understand it. To play such a massive dependence on human understanding is arrogance to the extreme.
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And yet, mankind elevates itself to the heights of arrogance. A moment’sreflection should incline human hearts to humility. Look at a building and a person thinks of the architect, at a sculpture and a person instantly comprehends an artist. But examine the elegant intricacies of creation, from the complexity and balance of nuclear particle physics to the uncharted vastness of space, and a person conceives of…nothing?Surrounded by a world of synchronous complexities, we as mankind cannot evenassemble the wing of a gnat. And yet the entire World and all the Universe exists in astate of perfect orchestration as a product of random accidents which molded cosmicchaos into balanced perfection? Some vote chance, others, creation.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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You are talking about things that we build and make... obviously those things have creators. But you could admire beauty in a lava rock, the result of a bunch of explosive heat and pressure from the earths core, and not tie the rock the the volcano quite so readily as you would a painter to a piece of art. It's the differences between coming from something - having an origin, and being created. I don't think incompetence and ignorance on mankind's part is arrogance. I think asserting false answers because you know many people will cling to an easy explanation, as religion does, is arrogance, and i think it should be held to the same standards of proof that a scientific claim would be, and, when being sold to the sheep, any claim of salvation should be investigated for potential fraud to the same standards that we hold our salesmen and merchants.
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There is a reason to think that God exists because of the price He paid for us at the cross. Also there was eyewitnesses that saw Jesus when He was alive and saw His miracles and 500 witnesses saw Jesus when He rose from the grave.You believe because you are ignorant and gullible in this area of your life - but you can be fixed if you do your homework.I think you need to do your homework and find out if God exists and come up with lame excuses thinking that God doesn't exist. I have already done my homework and found out that God does exist. I have already done my part now its time to do your part.
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Then please, show us the records of these eyewitnesses you say saw these miracles.
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You just said there's a reason to believe gods exist, but then start talking about something that doesn't give us any knowledge of the existence of gods.Sorry, but the Buybull does not have eyewitness testimony, just because it says it does.There is really no reason to think Jesus even existed, either.There is no evidence to study that shows there is a deity, so there is nothing for me to do "homework" on.You haven't found out any god exists. You merely irrationally believe in one.You have failed here.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I do know that a God exists because the Bible says that there was eyewitnesses. I guess to you eyewitnesses don't count as evidence. Well what about the newspapers? They saw what happened and wrote it down on paper. I guess the newspaper people lied because according to you eyewitnesses don't count as evidence.
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The duty of man is not to question or deny the attributes or presence of God,If god really exists, shouldn't he welcome sustained investigation? If he's got nothing to hide, like, say, the fact he's a lying sadist or the fact he doesn't exist, what does he have to fear from people examining his actions and questioning his existence? If i were a god, i would much prefer to have followers who intelligently and logically my concluded existence, and then assessed my past and present action to determine if i was worth following. Blind, unexamined faith is the last thing i would want from my followers, unless, of course, i wasn't real. In that case it would be very much to my benefit for my clergy to dissuade people from questioning my actions or presence.
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Who told you that God does not welcome sustained investigation? God says41:53  We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'ân) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?also God says23:80And it is He Who gives life and causes death, and His is the alternation of night and day. Will you not then understand? 81Nay, but they say the like of what the men of old said. 82They said: "When we are dead and have become dust and bones, shall we be resurrected indeed? 83"Verily, this we have been promised, - we and our fathers before (us)! This is only the tales of the ancients!"84Say: "Whose is the earth and whosoever is therein? If you know!"and Gosd says:36:77Does not man see that We have created him from Nutfah (mixed male and female discharge — semen drops). Yet behold! he (stands forth) as an open opponent.78And he puts forth for Us a parable, and forgets his own creation. He says: "Who will give life to these bones after they are rotten and have become dust?"79Say: (O Muhammad SAW) "He will give life to them Who created them for the first time! And He is the All-Knower of every creation!"80He, Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! You kindle therewith.81Is not He, Who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the like of them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Supreme Creator. 82Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!" and it is!
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Who told you that God does not welcome sustained investigation?You did. I headlined the thing you are replying to with it. Scripture really has given you a lot to say for it, hasn't it? I don't read scripture when people post it unless I'm discussing scripture specifically. All other times, i recognize it as scripture (the numbers are very helpful for that) and discount it as ancient, false, man-made drivel that people allow extraordinary influence over their lives.
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The duty of man is not to question or deny the attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. Yes I said that before and I say it again beacause you can't question and deny the unseen but you can investigate the seen signs that makes you feel and know the unseen.And with the analogy example given, you seem to leave your real job given to you by the boss and started negating his existence.
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beacause you can't question and deny the unseenThere you go again. Why cant we question or deny something that's as unseen as any evidence supporting it? Why cant we question if it's even really there, or, if it is there, question its attributes? I dont understand that analogy at all. My boss is real and my job was something i entered into under contract, knowingly and willingly.
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In regards to that analogy, I would potentially deny the existence of my boss if i had never seen him, touched him, heard him or otherwise interacted at all with him or anything of him and, importantly, if my boss was also something unlikely. I argue religion two separate ways, one of them assuming god does exist. It is through this medium that i express my distaste at the way he does things, not by the other, which is denying his existence. So I dont disbelieve in god because i dislike the way he does things, i disbelieve in god and if he is real, i very much disapprove of the way he's been running things. Two separate notions.
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There's no reason to think your particular deity exists. There's no reason to think that Jesus even existed.Even if he did, which is highly questionable, there is nothing to show that there is any deity simply because he existed.There are no prophecies.It's just a big whole sham.
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Siddhartha fulfilled the prophecy that he would become a Buddha. :P
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it's all clear to us that God is real because he gave us the life that no mortal can give to us.
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Your parents gave you life .
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their the instruments to make us but God is the one who created us.can parents choose if they want a baby boy or girl? absolutely no!