Debate: Are There Any Good Arguments For Gods Existence?
Side: Yes

I'm sorry, this is the most ridiculous of the arguments.Someone gave me a scripture "contradiction" Jesus last words.I handled the argument by simply reading each and seeing if prespective fits as eyewitness. By the time I was done, God showed me so clearly, I could literally explain were they were standing, and the transition of emotion in the text. The sentence in question: what was Jesus last words, and why the disciples couldn't seem to match. I guess everyone has this picture of quiet people praying the rosary! It's silly!All 4 are eyewitness, and I can tell by simple being reasonable. One Gospel says He screamed out, and John says It is finished.Can you scream with your head down? Head position down while talking or screaming is difficult, in the Gospel text is noted here he screamed out and bowed His head and died, that was His last minute! So the guys are spread out hiding in the crowd, but Jon is sitting right in front of Jesus with Mary, same in the court room. Read His Gospel the niches and details tell you exactly were they were standing at the court house and at the cross.And bozos still have mouths full of nonsense! If you are beginning to pass out or die while tied in an upright position, and you breath your last breath, and give up your spirit, is your last breath, with I assume head raised face up to sky when screaming, because you can't scream when your chin is tuched into you chest, right? Go ahead and try it.So was Jesus last breath what He called out loudly? Like ones hiding in the crowd heard?Or do you bow your head and simply mumble a whispet? Like John heard sitting in front of Jesus with Mary.Which sentence would John hear, that the others could not?Who do you think John recorded what He heard Jesus say in very last Words? And the others record calling out loudly, and no quiet statements? Logic reasoning, skeptics are ridiculous!He this whole section of the cross is not mentioning anything Jesus is screaming out, John records the quieter sentences but not the screams.  I witness accounts are from the view or vantage point of the observer as to their experience in it. They are not writing an account of someone else's experience. So why do you want it to be not an eye witness accounts.Each account ... has emotion in it. You can actually see Luke going from a matter of fact account at court, to as unglued as Luke gets. The writing seems to speed up, and it gets less organized. You can tell the memory details are messy, and a little emotionally messy. Which is unusual for the personality of this writer. Or did you take one line and think they should be the same prespective? If they did that, then that would make them not from an eyewitness account. Because eyewitness accounts are from the view of the writer as to their experience in it. So it should be like an imperfect puzzle or a little bit messy of a puzzle yet that fits together to make one picture anyway. They are not writing an account of someone else's experience, they are writing as they experienced it. So why do you want the text to sound different than an eye witness account. And not an eyewitness account.You have to think, they didn't have some kind of rules. No one said hey someday is going to dissect my words and if I say it slightly different, they will accuse the faith. They wrote accurate facts without comparing notes, according to their eyewitness memory, and it's infused with personality and even emotion. Again John is right in front of the crossHe this whole section of the cross is not mentioning anything Jesus is screaming out, John records the quieter sentences but not the screams. Wouldn't it be similar on any given day at any given event?If me and my husband were at the hospital with an my daughter when she was in labor with my grand baby, and I was at the bedside, and my husband was in the hall while the nurse was in. Would we hear things differently in the conversations. He might catch the nurse and whatever she said on the way out of the room. I may have to ask him, what did she say? But he might not have heard my daughter ask me for ice chips while I was close to her in the room and he was in the hall. Were we at the same hospital? With the same daughter and grand baby? Or would it be proof to be false because what we heard was not the exact same?The sentences are just common sense.I'm amazed how desperate everyone is to disprove the Bible!Luke is over toward the right of the thieves in a loud crowdLuke has a better vantage point. But not like Luke is hearing the screams pretty clear, but not the quieter sentences like John.John is right in front! He has had a best seat position since the trial, he is with Jesus mother, and doesn't leave her side.Matt is over toward the left in a noisier crowd.Mark is furthest from the trial and the crosses, he is by the road looking on from there, so maybe toward the back of the crowd. You can tell because he mentions reactions as people were passing by, not standing in the midst of the commotion.So all 4 texts show their prespective down to where they were standing and who they were likely with.Peter was probably easy to pick out, we know he was scared and hiding. Mark writes alot more about Peter's prespective in the Gospel, so you know they were connected.Mark discusses Joseph the rich guy with the tomb was scared, no one else did. So you can see this was their discussions.Matt was scared, paranoid, and shocked at the behaviors of the crowd, and John is sitting with Mary , so he records the quieter sentences. All fits like each is an historical account by eye witnesses!Now the sentence in question:He literally records a conversation from the cross to Mary and John. Now, no one is going to be horrible to Mary, she is mom watching this, so there is some level of expectation that her townspeople would give her some respectful space. John is with her, and everyone else in mixed in trying to blend in. We know this because Peter felt scared enough to deny Jesus three times, just as Jesus pre-told. Even in details of the trial, you can tell where John Matt Luke and Mark were by their details.John was in the court room with Mary, John mention more stenographer like details of testamony. Luke at a great vantage point probably near to the exit door, he also records detail in the court room, not like Jon thoubecause he catches much of the trial, and also on the way out he catches much on the way.Matt tell of some of the court, he didn't get as close as Luke, and especially not as close as John. And Matt is hanging near this regretting of Judas, so he wasn't in a good vantage point, he was likely hiding near where the pharasees where gathered. You can see each's personality. Each account ... has emotion in it. You can actually see Luke go from a matter of fact account at court, to progressively more emotional, a bit unglued which Luke doesn't usually get. Luke's writing seems to speed up, and it gets less organized. You can tell the memory details are a little emotionally messy. Which is unusual for the personality of this writer. Luke 2344 It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 because the sun was obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn in two. Luke describes unusual outward event first.46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last. Luke is probably closer in or in a less noisy surrounding crowd, than Matt, Mark, and Peter. I think Mark was Peter's road dog, and I think Joseph the rich guy with the tomb, was with them both for some of the time. Luke has details that are inclusive of on the way while walking, he seemed to have been in a good hearing of the trial and walk. He also likely followed closer on the walk in, because he has more side conversations detailed. He also hears what both criminals were sayiing back and forth. And Luke records something Jesus said that others didn't when they were planting the cross. Luke 23: 434 But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves. While standing in the crowd Luke also seems to be within an ear shot of the cross, he was probably on the right side, over nearer to the thief on the right side, because Luke heard what the right side thief said, as a matter of fact he heard the whole entire conversation between the thieves from his vantage point. Matt was over toward the left, and you can tell his account is from a memory that seemed more emotion and paranoid than Luke's account. Matt is negative about everyone who was present, he is seeing the horror. And his account shows it. Probably further left. You can tell in putting the pieces together, that Matt is describing his prespective. Visually seeing the two thieves screaming out words, and it all blends in as insults. So he likely could hear some of the thief on the left's words, and seeing the thief on the right moving his mouth screaming, but he can't distinguish the words in the noise. In his writing, his ears were focused on the loud insults, noise, and hate. He comes off disgusted. He is writing like we would, if some injustice made us write what was done to our friend, listing them with a finger banging at each count. Matt is still emotionally there in that moment in this writing. He is running through that list like, on going inclusive, and that one, and that one, and over there them to! Because Matt says about then, put in commotion, and weeping, and insulting noises and realize they are writing their perspective. And its not going to be rehearsed or a perfect picture, like a scene in picture in a Cathedral. It was real life noise, and real life crowd, emotionally weeping and also a protesting mob. Luke's accont shows details, he was close by, but not as close as John and Mary. 47 Now when the centurion saw what had happened, he began praising God, saying, “Certainly this man was innocent.” 48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.........................