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Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Most of the responses YOU made on my debate don't require or even ask for a follow up opinion from me. You simply stated that... I don't understand what I'm talking about, that you arnt a liberal, that your country is more socialist then mine , that you cant believe I look at corporations the way I do and that because I don't like the occupy movement my optimism about change is not realistic.This topic (like many you and I engage in) are far more complex then can be summed up in a few sentences. So If you have a specific question for me why don't you just ask it and mabey we can better understand each other. I work for a corporation, it is a two restaurant enterprise with a little less than 100 employees, before the depression/resection hit the owner, in a good year, would make about 200,000 a year now the business make almost no profit and she makes less then half what she did a few years ago. The number of customer has dropped a bit but the hourly wage raises every year this year it is raising another 0.20 we might have to let people go because we cant afford to give everyone twenty cents more. That is not the only thing though property taxes have gone up over the last few years (despite businesses making less money) and unemployment taxes which the owner has to pay. All these expenses are not caused by big business but rather big government. The government is trying to change the health care system to and in the process making insurance companies cover people that they normally wouldn't have which causes the price to rise for everyone including the corporation I work for. One of the reasons and perhaps the best reason why someone makes their business a corporation is so that if the business fails the owner doesn't lose everything they have(house, car, retirement etc.) This isn't just happening to small corporations like the one I work for its happening to the big one too they just have enough money to cushion the blow for a little longer. Did you know that the US has one of the highest corporate taxes in the world and we tax the one percent almost 40% even though they use less of government resources (thet that money funds)than any other class. The class that uses the most is the one that doesn't get taxed at all. Do you think thats fair? I am that lowest class so I don't have a bone in the fight.Does that answer any of your questions about me? I can go on if you want.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

First im sorry about what my husband said, sometimes he looks over my debates (even though he thinks its a waist of time) and gets frustrated and worked up. He was a little drunk when he wrote that stuff and like you garrry he can be a bit of an ass when he gets worked up. I am sorry.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

"First im sorry about what my husband said, "No problem, thanks for the apology, especially considering that you are under no obligation to apologise for the actions of another."sometimes he looks over my debates (even though he thinks its a waist of time) and gets frustrated and worked up."Well i don't quite know what he expects, this is debate forum, its not Facebook, its not Twitter."even though he thinks its a waist of time"It beats watching trash t.v. which makes up about 95% of everything on television these days."He was a little drunk when he wrote that stuff"Ive been there, ive posted some of my harshest comments while drunk on this site.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

i am sierras husband. and if i could change one thing in the course of my life, i think i would stop myself from giving your mother that coat hanger, because all it did was fuck you up. nothing got resolved. now some poor Irish govt. is taxing it's citizens to keep a retard like you alive and well. which is dangerously close to what my country is doing with its helpless morons. and scares me to death.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"i am sierras husband."Interesting."and if i could change one thing in the course of my life, i think i would stop myself from giving your mother that coat hanger"I can tell you're a real charmer but seriously if you could change one thing that would be your No. 1, fuck me you've lived an uneventful life."because all it did was fuck you up. nothing got resolved"I find it quite pathetic that a husband feels the need to to stand up for his wife through an online debate forum, im not quite sure what i said in my previous post to upset her so much that she felt the need to ask you to reply to me, i thought i was being reasonably courteous."now some poor Irish govt. is taxing it's citizens to keep a retard like you alive and well."Keep um coming tough guy;-)Got any other other ravaging witticism's you simply can't keep contained?". which is dangerously close to what my country is doing with its helpless morons. and scares me to death."I can tell you're a very compassionate, empathic individual, and also incredibly modest;-)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Your definitions are those of the cold war propaganda. The patriot act is closer to fascism since it is about the dominance and security of the nation, and is greatly removed from communism since communism is a stateless society. government regulation can be good, and can be bad. Corporations naturally appeal to government, consider who sponsors politicians most, use the patent courts most often, etc. They do so because it provides competitive advantages, like record profits from a bailout :)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

The system in witch corporations appeal to the government was set up by the government. It is the nature of business to want to survive if that means paying people to represent them or make their existence easer then thats what they will do the fault is in the government for making a system in witch this is necessary. Despite what conspiracy theorists say the patriot act was to track down people who want to harm civilians and the way of life that the majority of Americans desire, not to track down all the pot growers and people that don't like the president. It has also worked many time to help avoid potential disaster. However I don't really like it for the reason that it give government a open door to other more drastic personal invasions down the road. My definitions are my personal interpretation and examples or realistic applications. You keep saying that communism is a stateless society however history tells us that in the real world that is impossible especially in populations larger then a few hundred people and since it is impossible for your pure idea of Communism to exist perhaps you should stop defending it as though it can=)I am not as book smart as you or garry but I do research and develop my own opinions of which I interpret through my own logic, reason and voice. I am willing to be proved wrong, tell me where Communism has worked?
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

The system was set up by both capitalism and the goverment. I could also just replace the word business with goverment in your first paragraph and the argument would be as valid. The patriot act was and is to violate rights. History only shows that leninism does what many of its critics before its apex said it would. It does show that primative communism has worked wonderfully for the great majority of human existence, and that the many microcoisms of communism we experience in our day to day lives are ones of great pleasure. You might as well of asked the wright brothers, or henry ford to prove where the airplane or car worked in history. They could of course of pointed to the chariot or bird as rough examples, perhaps a glider or downhill cart, but those wouldn't of been convincing either. The science however is, very. If you examine history you will find that society has always been devided into two classes, namly the oppressor and the oppress but this was due more to resources than anything. As the relationship to resources changed so did the nature of the classes, the limit of this behavior is the abolishment of the two classes, that is if you follow the trend and rules of the relationship to resources humams have.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

My father was in his early twenties in the late sixties and very much a part of that "revolutionary culture". He told me that he lived in a few communes at that time. The communes that he lived in consisted of anywhere from 15 to 40 people at one time. At beginning of theses "communities" the idea was always that there wasn't a leader or someone "in charge" that everything was shared, that everyone worked to contribute to the community and there was equal respect. Fine ideas right? Communist ideas right? However, after a few months some personality would come forward to try and assert control over the group. Also some people have different ideas of what work is or cleanliness and by the time my dad decided to leave no one used the kitchen because it was a foul rotten hole, the toilet had stopped working month before and no one had bothered to fix it but had continued to use it until feces covered the floor and about five people did all the work while the rest lay around smoking pot and talking about "profound" things.This is the reality of how communism works. People, especially in our culture, are incapable of functioning fairly and productively with out some rule. I prefer a very small government but I know that one is necessary and inevitable.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

You could always blame the culture for your father's experiences, which were again the result of where the people in the communes come from. The problems with the communes of that time in america was that they lacked a effective feedback loop other than destruction since there was no emergency state. Also a good portion of the people attracted to them were probabbly not the best for the community and its capabilities since their mindset was one created by the 1960's suburbs and capitalism. |Also the productive capability of most of the communes wasn't correct for a long term existence.Humanity did live in such a way for a long time before the development of agriculture.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_society ) There are many situations where people still do such. You are over generalizing, see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

At what point does it stop being "where the people come from" and become what people are? Some people are capable of being selfless, having just what they need and the willingness to dedicate their lives to the collective but most people are not. What I have done is give examples of real experiences with communism, the history of Cuba, Russia, china, and others can be more examples of the impossibility for true communism to exist. Please give me these example of when and where it did work. I don't think the dynamics of a hunter gather tribe really is relevant in current times so lets not even go there.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

I would say humans lack much of a nature, they are self-interested and social animals other than that you can't say much about them being inherently "greedy" or "selfless" since those are emergent properties from the more basic nature and the enviroment they reside in. Also communism is very individualistic dispite popular thought, if it wasn't for my support of individualism I wouldn't be a communist. This is because the lack of capital so many of us face results in numerous subtle and obvious coercions which violate the 3 great individualistic rights of life, liberty and property. The so called "communist states" were not communism, but at best a flawed form of socialism. Communism works in various microcosms though out our day to day lives, for example when you play a pick me up game on the streets with your friends it is likly acomplished in a communstic fashion. It worked in its primative form for most of human history before agriculture took hold(which is relativily a new development). There have been numerous attempts at socialism with various levels of success.The dynamics of any human organization that has been shown to exist is relevant to the study of human organizations. Those dynamics existed due to the material existence of the tribe members and the social constructs that existence created. Different material conditions produces different social constructs, communism is the study of how material conditions change and the social constructs they produce. The social constructs of a hunter gather tribe are similar to the social constructs of what appears to be the limit of the progression of our material conditions. Clearly humans are capable of such behavior, the how is well known, as is how advance technology may actualize such a how, the only problem is structuring goverment to act as a catalyst to its own destruction. If we could convince the state to mange it's money in the light of money's relationship to debt( for every dollar made, there is about 1/(the percentage that must be kept in reserve) debt + interest, in light of money's decreasing marginal value, in light of wealth distribution, and so on then we may have the demand to make investment profitable and credit flow, so that technology may be developed and the real standard of living may continue to improve and such that people may be able to hedge against economic declines. If they regulated the market to spurn compeition in most markets and avoid too big to fail entities, and if they stayed away from legislating morality we would be able to lower taxes for everyone and have a much freer society with more opportunity. The problem with all of that is that it may very well elminate the state in a hundred to two hundred years, and the state is a self-interested entity that likes to be able to overreach and violate people, especially when the people themselves have little influence over it.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

so your saying that if the "state" would balance the budget and live within its means and people where consequently taxed less this would be modern communism. Well shit sign me up.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

The state's budget is inherently different than a private entities budget, it doesn't always need nor is it always desirable for it to be balanced. However, the situations where it isn't desirable for the budget to be balanced can be better avoided, and if they do such you will see less severe recessions, more prosperity and so forth. Avoidance of such situations means proper regulation, not bad regulation, not no regulation but good regulation and mathematical models supported by empirical data can lead us to determine what is good or bad regulation/ deregulation. Parts of the glass-steagal act should of never been eradicated for example, if they weren't the recession would not of been nearly as bad. I predict we are only a few technological leaps away from modern communism being implemented, keep in mind though that there are still many many intermediate stages between capitalism and communism. Before it can be implemented, 3d printers and their associated machines, decentralized renewable energy, automated greenhouses that can produce plastics, and better public transportation would have to become prominent.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/communism.htm
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

That is incredibly superficial, and biased. Do you really want me to waste my time ripping to shreds such an obviously poorly put together atricle?
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

I'm for fair capitalism. Socialism is great idea, all people are equal and have same rights, but usually it ends up, as somebody mentioned, with dictatorship and repressions, so basically true socialism is some kind of utopia. As all people are different, some of us tend to be more successful because of hard-working and self-improvement, while other part prefer to not to work at all. So how both of them can be equal?
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Your assumptions are showing. Leninist socialism does typically result in dictatorship, but that is not all socialism. Some people don't work hard and are rich, so people work hard and are poor. Actually, most people that work hard are poor. Your making the assumption that everyone has opportunity, and they don't.The practical elimination of scarcity is coming, at which point people may actually have opportunity.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

The bad parts of the bastardized versions of Communism out there are wrong and will never be what Karl Marx called "Utopia for the Common Man"
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Communism doesn't respect individualism... i hate it. why? it's pretty simple. in communism,1st,u must do everything ur leader said, (eventho u know it's wrong), 2nd, economic sytem is mainly dominated by the goverment (u can do nothing 'bout it, n who knows that the goverment will corrupt some money), 3rd, if u dispute the goverment, u may get killed in an instant (eventho ur rebuttal is true) coz the leader is a dictator, 4th, in communism, it's said that u share the 'same things', so eventho we work hard, we'll only get the same thing like the poor will... it's so unfair n i think there are still a lot of shortcomings of communism
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

u must do everything ur leader saidThere is no leader in Communism, that is called a dictatorship or socialism. There has never been a true display of communism in recorded history.we'll only get the same thing like the poor willThere are no poor in Communism
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Actually communism has true individualism as its basis. It further advances the practicality and realism of : "Life: everyone is entitled to live once they are created.Liberty: everyone is entitled to do anything they want to so long as it doesn't conflict with the first right.Estate: everyone is entitled to own all they create or gain through gift or trade so long as it doesn't conflict with the first two rights." - wikipediaCommunism is a stateless classless society, don't confuse it with lenin's failed socialism.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

You forgot to mention the part about how individuals do not have to perform work in order to receive anything.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

BAD. Communism - is when everyone should do the decisions of the leader. This is a society on the type of army. This lack of economic freedom of the citizen. It's blunt the primitive operation.USSR is good example.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

The ussr was never communist. It was soviet at one point then degenerated, but it was never communist. For much of its existence it wasn't even socialism, since socialism is worker's control and that was clearly lacking.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

After the Marxism had influenced the capitalism and Imperialism states, in 1917 the people of Russia made their choice – taking the path of the Revolution, the state transformed from a monarchy to socialist republic. This is when communism came into use for the first time in a country and the main ideas of the movement were applied.It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. Vladimir Lenin LOL"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."Ronald Regan"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."–Frank Zappa"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much.' "–Phelps Adams"Don't listen to what the Communists say, but look at what they do."- Nguyen Van Thieu, the President of South Vietnam.Sorry I like quotes =)
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"- Nguyen Van Thieu, the President of South Vietnam."I find it ironic that you'd quote the opinions of an american puppet dictator who was responsible for running a regime that at the time was voted the worst human rights violators in the world by amnesty international.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

Quotes are fine and dandy, except commentary on commentary on commentary etc tend to be inaccurate. As is most of those commentary, they are focused on Leninism; which can be thought of as an inaccurate take on how to bring communism about faster, the presence of the sickle in soviet propaganda is almost evidence enough of how drastically remote it is from Marx's analysis, such a thing is strange indeed to anyone with a strong understand of the theory.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

the idea of communism is amazing but man cannot stick to the true communism views. it always ends up in mass killings or complete control by the government
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

As bad or WORSE than National Socialism. Communism has killed more people than NS plus ALL "religious" wars combined.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

yeah even though communism has never existed as a nation it somehow killed millions. come on
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Morally: because those who work harder deserve more. Your hardships will never amount to the entitlement to fruits of another man's labor, no matter how desperate.Practically: because people are driven by their desires. They want their due pay based on the effort they put forth (at least). There will always be slackers and mooches, and there will always be people who are more driven to do more because they want more. Denying those who do more their due earnings will only lead to those people doing less because there's no point, resulting in less things actually being done.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"Your hardships will never amount to the entitlement to fruits of another man's labor, no matter how desperate."I agree, some means of rewarding those who work harder or acheive more through greater ability is required."They want their due pay based on the effort they put forth (at least). "Actually studies have found that money only increases motivation by a small amount, once people feel they are being paid adequately money has no effect on how motivated a person is, when this happens the degree of control a person has over their own work is what fuels productivity.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Bad

Whether Communism may work for the United States is well, unknown, but i believe that it may work in other countries it wouldn't work here, because of the certain types of jobs we have. In a Communism Society everyone is paid equally, but i believe that to be unfair if someone is working alot harder than someone else for the same wage.
Debate: Communism: Good or Bad?
Side: Good

"In a Communism Society everyone is paid equally, but i believe that to be unfair if someone is working alot harder than someone else for the same wage"I agree thats why i feel a system based on communist and anarchist ideals could be better solution.