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Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Not just fast food workers, everyone needs a minimum wage increase.It costs so much more for everything these days....Businesses that can't pay their employees well should close up shop.It depends on the place of course but fast food work can be quite demanding. Why is it so hard for people to realize that people who work hard deserve to be paid well?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Why is it so hard for people to realize that people who work hard deserve to be paid well?Simple because they don't care. Won't never know the end result unless someone steps up and tries something.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

They typically like to run at the mouth about how only "highly skilled" people deserve good pay. The day may very well come for them however when their skills are no longer in demand, and then they will see that in some ways they are unskilled too. I suppose then they'll drop their elitist attitude.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

That's like the famous people once their money cashes they will have to become "normal" like us because they lost it all.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Are you in favor of people doing a job that requires practically no knowledge being paid as much as someone who has to go to college for 4 years?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I am fine with people with harder to find talent (be it developed in college or elsewhere) fetching higher than average wages, but I have a problem with the idea that just because certain jobs are labeled "unskilled labor" that it's justified to pay them a shamefully low salary. For example digging ditches is ordinarily considered unskilled labor, but take your average college educated IT professional and ask them to dig a ditch, and watch how unskilled they prove themselves to be. To be able to do hard labor well takes years of training and is actually an increasingly rare skill. Difficult work deserves premium pay whether the difficulty is physical or mental.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

The reason they are paid shamefully low salaries is because they encourage people who don't need money as much to work there, and in turn encourage people who need money more to work better places.Think about this, if you could spend 10 grand on college to make 20 an hour, or spend nothing on highschool to make 5 dollars less would you really put in the time and effort?Well actually there's no need for a personal answer, because I'm sure the lazy populace would go with the path that required less work.What we appear to be arguing over though, is the minimum wage limit. I too agree it needs to be raised (since the standard of living since it was created has raised) but i think 15 is pushing it for such an unskilled position that I'm sure anyone who's still in highschool could perform.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

The reason they are paid shamefully low salaries is because they encourage people who don't need money as much to work there, and in turn encourage people who need money more to work better places.Well I think Mcdonalds should change their business model and make it a better place to work. Expect more from their employees, pay them significantly more, and hire less of them. To work at Mcdonald's should not be broadly regarded as undignified.Think about this, if you could spend 10 grand on college to make 20 an hour, or spend nothing on highschool to make 5 dollars less would you really put in the time and effort?Well actually there's no need for a personal answer, because I'm sure the lazy populace would go with the path that required less work.It's debateable that one path is definately more work than the other, it's just often assumed that academic learning deserves more respect than other kinds of learning. Not to discount the value of academics, but I have a problem with that.What we appear to be arguing over though, is the minimum wage limit. I too agree it needs to be raised (since the standard of living since it was created has raised)Actually I don't think there should be a minimum wage. I could create a position in my company tomorrow for someone who doesn't need alot of money and perhaps is in school. I just need someone to work a very slow front counter, but I couldn't jusify paying even minimum wage because the workload is so minimal. I could see a college student sitting there mostly doing schoolwork and every so often dealing with a walkin customer and making a few bucks. But as a business owner, this isn't an option for me because of minimum wage laws. It should be up to the employee to decide what they find to be an acceptable wage, and up to the business what they are willing to pay. Further, I think that companies who CAN afford to pay a good wage for the positions they have, SHOULD pay a good wage for these positions.but i think 15 is pushing it for such an unskilled position that I'm sure anyone who's still in highschool could perform.Mcdonald's philosophy seems to favor having a multitude of inefficient employees running around as opposed to a smaller well paid efficient team. My opinion is that everyone would like Mcdonalds better if they adjusted their policies to favor the latter instead. As an industry leader, a shift like this would make a cool statement that people could learn from.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

To work at Mcdonald's should not be broadly regarded as undignified.This seems like an unnecessary fight, it's deemed as such because it already is. Maybe not disrespectful per-say but it's an easy job, that doesn't require many skills, so they don't even need to pay their employees better. It's a place everyone expects low quality food quickly, to expect more would be absurd. Not to discount the value of academics, but I have a problem with that.I would not discredit other learning styles either, but the general consensus wants less for more, if they can do less and get paid more than those who do more they'll take it. Then we won't have anyone building planes, and discovering what's in the depths of the ocean because everyone's content with how high fast food places pay. Obviouslly some people will still follow what they love, and go into those fields but I suspect a majority are in those fields because of the money.Actually I don't think there should be a minimum wage.Just to keep this paragraph from being exceptionally long, I only quoted the first sentence. Of that (whole paragraph) we agree.Mcdonald's philosophy seems to favor having a multitude of inefficient employees running around as opposed to a smaller well paid efficient team. My opinion is that everyone would like Mcdonalds better if they adjusted their policies to favor the latter instead.Well sure, but then what of those people who got cast out because they went with smaller and more efficient? This would be a good alternative if they could higher people with no minimum wage like you proposed earlier, but since they can't they'd be just turning people to the street with no money at all, rather than very low pay.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

We have a capitalist economy. In capitalism, market forces, eg. supply and demand, dictate prices. This is not limited to consumer goods, but also to wages.You aren't paid according to how hard you work in any sector. You are paid at a rate that is largely dictated by the comparative supply of and demand for labor of that kind. Unskilled labor gets little pay because anybody can do it. Professions that require a significant amount of training have a far more limited pool of labor to draw from.You can hate it and rail against it, but that's just how it is. In a capitalist society, nobody gets ahead without standing on somebody elses shoulders. Unfortunately, it's the best system we've managed to come up with...
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

No...oh no!
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Why....why not ?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Because fast food will end up costing more than grocery store food. If that happens, there will be less demand for fast food and many of the chains will go away...it will have the opposite affect on grocery items which the higher demand will drive higher prices ultimately leading people back to fast food which will have fewer choices and less competition so the fast food prices will be artificially high.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Because fast food will end up costing more than grocery store food.Are you sure fast food doesn't already cost more than grocery store food? Because if it does, the rest of your argument falls apart.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Increasing the minimum wage will just cause unemployment and higher prices. No one would really benefit so no, workers should be paid based on their skill level and what they produce.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I don't think there should be a minimum wage, but I think people should be more comfortable insisting on pay increases. If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.And get fired.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

And move on to the next shitty job. Why be loyal to someone who considers you easily replaceable?It's a good thing to get fired by someone who doesn't respect you as a person but sees you only as a resource.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I am actually going through that at my job and had to hold in my anger. I am about to quit it soon because another door is opening because of a better job.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

That's the best thing to do. Instead of demanding higher pay. Just always be looking for another job that's better.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Right. you should never just walk out and say "pay me better or I'm not coming back" you should say before hand that you need to make at least X$ or you will be moving on at the first opportunity.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

I don't think there should be a minimum wageI agree.I think people should be more comfortable insisting on pay increases.What do you mean? Are people uncomfortable with it right now?If you are getting paid poorly...by all means...work poorly.Which gets you fired. I guess if someone believes they can get higher pay somewhere else for their same skill set, they can go for it.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

What do you mean? Are people uncomfortable with it right now?Yes. They hardly do it unless encouraged by a union or some other group.Which gets you fired. I guess if someone believes they can get higher pay somewhere else for their same skill set, they can go for it.Shitty jobs are easy to come by, why be loyal to a company that could give a shit less about you?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Shitty jobs are easy to come by, why be loyal to a company that could give a shit less about you?Wait, so a job is shitty if an employer doesn't want to pay an unskilled worker more than what they deserve? I don't follow.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

A shitty job is one that pays the employees the least they can get away with, as opposed to the most they can afford.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

The amount the employer can afford is based on the production of the employee. In this case, the employees are probably being paid even more than this value simply because of the minimum wage.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

The amount the employer can afford is based on the production of the employee.Correct In this case, the employees are probably being paid even more than this value simply because of the minimum wage.Probably=you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you any idea what the average daily clear profit is for a Mcdonalds?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

How much revenue do you think a Mcdonald's employee brings in with his work in an hour?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

That would be a loss in local franchise profit. This isn't really that much of a good idea.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Oh give me a break! $15 an hour to hand out hamburgers... and half of the time they don't even get my order right.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

15$/hr is the new 5$/hrIt's not even worth showing up for much less. You'd do better panhandling and getting on foodstamps.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

I wouldn't even make $15/hr doing certain construction jobs. Why should fast food employees make more?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

$15/hr at full time is nearly twice what an E-1 in our military is paid during combat; they earn even less when not earning combat pay.How the hell can anybody justify paying a fast food employee more than a soldier?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

They can't! I'm not sure why the employees who went on strike thought they could get away with $15/hr. They work what are supposed to be entry-level jobs and expect to be paid differently? Give me a break!
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Seriously. To equal $15 an hour full time without combat pay, You need to be a staff sergeant!
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

You do realize that working at a fast food restaurant was never meant to be a career, right? They are entry-level jobs designed mainly for teenagers.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

And the actually company obtain less money? Heavens no!
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

The company will not want to lose money. Either the company deals with it and takes the hit, they hire less workers, they raise prices. 2 of those 3 options don't look great for the consumer.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Consumers would eat healthier and spend elsewhere for food...nothing wrong with thatRetraunts that pay their employees well are an all around better value.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Ok, so now you are saying McDonalds will have to pay people more and lose customers, sounds like a great plan for them.Retraunts that pay their employees well are an all around better value.Why don't these coddled people work their? Because they are too dumb, let's face it.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Ok, so now you are saying McDonalds will have to pay people more and lose customers, sounds like a great plan for them.Who gives a shit if companies who are stingy to their employees don't do well, it leaves market share for people with better ethicsWhy don't these coddled people work their? Because they are too dumb, let's face it.The coddled person is the one who makes money off of someone else's labor
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Who gives a shit if companies who are stingy to their employees don't do well, it leaves market share for people with better ethicsNo it doesn't because those people will fail as soon as some unforeseen expense comes around and bankrupts them.The coddled person is the one who makes money off of someone else's laborHow many businesses do you own?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

No it doesn't because those people will fail as soon as some unforeseen expense comes around and bankrupts them.Paying your employees a fair wage doesn't prevent you from planning ahead, and saving or getting insurance to cover unforseen expenses.How many businesses do you own?Only one. I should correct the statement you were reponding to here...The coddled person is the one who makes [excessive] money off of someone else's labor.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Paying your employees a fair wage doesn't prevent you from planning ahead, and saving or getting insurance to cover unforseen expenses.Ok, so now more money needs to go to employees and to insurance. Why did the person start the business again?Only one. I should correct the statement you were reponding to here...The coddled person is the one who makes [excessive] money off of someone else's labor.Ok, I agree with the excessive part. Maybe the big corporations have forgotten how much it takes for normal people to survive. That probably did hurt the economy.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

Ok, so now more money needs to go to employees and to insurance. Why did the person start the business again?Well if it's not part of the business plan to pay employees enough to live above the poverty level, perhaps they need to change their businees plan or go out of business.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

This doesn't sound practical. So, if you want to risk your well being and start a business, the first person who should think about paying is somebody else. If on the other hand you are simply willing to show up and do stuff without staking anything on the success of your work the first person you should think of paying is yourself. Now you have established a mindset that has to be completely different. I hope it is obvious why there is a problem.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

It's not practical....that is, if your business is really just a pyramid scheme in disguise. Perhaps I can't decipher the rest of your argument because I am not a college grad :/
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

There are 2 groups of people. Group A and group B. You want group A to think that they work and should pay themselves first above anyone else. Coincidentally, you are part of group A. You want group B to work and should pay the people in group A first before they pay themselves. So, naturally no one wants to be in group B. Your system breaks quickly.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

That didn't help. Your college level communication skills are too far over my head I guess.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

You make bad system. Current system good. So, system don't change.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I don't know what makes you so sure there is no room for improvement in the current system, and I missed your good explanation about why what I have proposed is a bad idea.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

I don't know what makes you so sure there is no room for improvement in the current systemWould you be smart enough to even understand it?I missed your good explanation about why what I have proposed is a bad idea.It's not my fault you slacked off and didn't get a college education so that you now can't keep up with normal people.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I leave your previous arguments as evidence in my defense, and as an indictment of the quality of your college education.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Which ones, the ones you had answers for, or the ones that you said you were too dumb to comprehend instead of giving a valid argument?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

This one:This doesn't sound practical. So, if you want to risk you well being and start a business, the first person who should think about paying is somebody else. If on the other hand you are simply willing to show up and do stuff without staking anything on the success of your work the first person you should think of paying is yourself. Now you have established a mindset that has to be completely different. I hope it is obvious why there is a problem.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

And this one:There are 2 groups of people. Group A and group B. You want group A to think that they work and should pay themselves first above anyone else. Coincidentally, you are part of group A. You want group B to work and should pay the people in group A first before they pay themselves. So, naturally no one wants to be in group B. Your system breaks quickly.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

Yeah, they are pretty good arguments, thanks for reposting them without refuting again pointing out that you have nothing. Please tell me why your system works when you have created 2 different thought processes. Why should people behave differently based on whether they are the owner or the worker? I don't see how that can work.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I am happy with how my arguments look next to yours. I can't address those two arguments because they make no sense to me...flat out...and I am not the slightest bit ashamed to admit it. Whether my inability to understand them is more to blame then their extremely poor composition, I will leave for the record to bear.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

How does it make sense that when you are a worker it is ok to only look out for yourself, but when you are an owner you are not allowed to look out for yourself at all?
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

I won't try to defend things I never asserted .
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

That's funny. I posted my argument. Then I thought to myself. atypican is being such an asshole that he will ignore the big picture and focus on how the wording is slightly off. Then it turns out that you just decided to flat out lie, making me look even better, thanks.Let me number it and you can point out which you don't actually agree with.1) Employee does not have a reason to care if owner is successful2) Employee is allowed to only care if he/she gets paid3) Owner must make sure that employees are paid lots of money4) Owner is supposed to care about paying employees before paying selfI fail to see how you haven't been supporting this.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: Yes

To help you de-construct this straw man, I will say...1.) Everyone in a company should be concerned with everyone else's success2.) Employees should either quit or do what they can to get a pay increase if they are grossly underpaid3.) Owners should pay employees the highest wages possible, instead of the lowest.4) Owner is supposed to care about everyone in the company being paid well not just upper managementWas I being an asshole? I thought I was just being a tad snarky. I must have read you wrong, I didn't think you were easy to offend.
Debate: Should fast-food workers earn $15 an hour?
Side: No

1) Well if it's not part of the business plan to pay employees enough to live above the poverty level, perhaps they need to change their businees plan or go out of business.So, what you said previously is that the employees should really only care that they get paid enough and that the owner is the one responsible for his own success. You don't actually believe that the employees should care about the owners success.2) So, what you are saying is that I am right and that the employee should only consider how much they individually deserve.3) So, you aren't disagreeing with my statement.4) Right, so the owner is supposed to pay others before himself.You have provided the exact same thing for 2-4. And you lied about how you really feel for number 1, so I was fully justified in my assessment that your system will fail.Was I being an asshole? I thought I was just being a tad snarky. I must have read you wrong, I didn't think you were easy to offend.Snarky is not exactly in my vocabulary. Asshole encompasses a very large group of people in my book.