azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

The fact: Science has not disproved God, so you cannot make the claim he didn't.I didn't make that claim, you should try to address my argument instead of avoiding it. I said that you saying god created everything is an unsupported argument. I further said that saying god hasn't been disproven is a form of Russell's Teapot, something not being disproven does not lead logically to the idea being proven or sound. I assumed you concede the point since you are now moving on with your strawman claim.because its the word of God. Yet, science and other people with opinions say its not... without proof.Demonstrate that the bible is the word of god. It hasn't been demonstrated that is why this idea is without proof.The proof is you're here and breathing.Jumping to conclusions. A tree is not proof of god, me breathing is not proof of god, existence itself is not evidence for god. Those things are evidence for themselves.These are facts (bible) that over 80% of the populace (american) believesThe fallacy of ad populum. I wonder how many Muslims in the Middle East believe in their god? This line of reasoning you use does not lead to valid conclusions.Since the beginning of time, our existence was credited to a creator. The burden of proof lay's on your doorstep,Appeal to tradition. Just because things used to be held as "knowledge" doesn't mean that they still should be, especially since our knowledge base grows. Old things found to be untenable because current knowledge does not support it doesn't mean old ideas should supersede new knowledge just because we "used to" think something. Previously gods were thought to be responsible for lightening, earth quakes, the tides and so on, as our knowledge increased we have replaced guesses with testable knowledge. If this erodes your god that is your problem and not the aim of science but a byproduct of sciences aim to understand the phenomenon around us. Our existence is exactly why science is exists, we use it to analyze and interpret our existence and reality. So, disproving and proving is exactly the business it is in.Sure science disproves and proves things, but this doesn't go against what I said. I said science has no business disproving something that hasn't been proven. See;"Science has no business disproving something that hasn't been proven."All scientists, STOP where you are at. You are no in the business in proving or disprovingYeah, thats not a conclusion you can validly reach from that sentence you quoted.If something isn't proven, you cannot "disprove" it then can you? Can you thaw something that hasn't been frozen? You are not using sound logic in your claims and in fact base some of your logic on well known logical fallacies. It appears you disputed me as a knee jerk reaction. Your inability to address what I have said leads me to believe you are not critically thinking or reading what I wrote.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

It appears you disputed me as a knee jerk reaction. Your inability to address what I have said leads me to believe you are not critically thinking or reading what I wrote - "Science has no business disproving something that hasn't been proven."All scientists, STOP where you are at.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

All of your arguments are popular forms of fallacies. There is nothing to address.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

The same argument is also applicable to evolution the birth of which is based on the flawed and outrageously ridiculous ''big bang theory''. See my post in the opposing column.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Evolution is not based on the big bang theory. You are just flat out wrong. Try again.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

Ah, Cartman, the site's mischievous little provocateur is present once again to maintain his monotonous regularity of being wrong. Don't you ever get tired being wrong? Evolution, like everything else has to have a starting point. The starting point for evolution is claimed to be the big bang theory. That is unless you can enlighten us all with your recent discovery on the origin of the universe. I look forward to reading this scientific publication when it's released.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

You have created a straw man to attack rather than taking the actual claims from science to attack. Your stance is based on a flawed representation of the science of evolution. I suggest you learn what your opposition really has to say then base your argument from that.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."(Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

George Wald doesn't speak for all of science nor does this claimed representation fit accurately to what science says. In fact your quote is a a falsehood that misrepresents what Wald actually said. Here is what he actually said;"A further aspect I should like to discuss is what I call the practice of infinite escape clauses. I believe we developed this practice to avoid facing the conclusion that the probability of self-reproducing state is zero. This is what we must conclude from classical quantum mechanical principles as Wigner demonstrated"(Sidney W. Fox, "The Origins of Pre-Biological Systems)"The world is too complicated in all parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone. I am convinced that the existence of life with all its order in each of its organisms is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle---an architect."(Scientist Allan Sandage)"All of us who study the origin of life find that the more we look into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved anywhere. We all believe as an article of faith that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that life's complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did."(Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Prize winner)"Hypothesis [evolution] based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts....These classical evolutionary theories are a gross over-simplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they are swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest."(Sir Ernst Chan, Nobel Prize winner for developing penicillin)What scientist and what field, do you want them from?
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

You didn't seem to address the fact that your quote from Wald is a misrepresentation of what Wald said. Are you conceding the point where you have used a false quote and are now running to more quotes for me to check their validity?I am saying that you are falling err to your cognitive biases. You have accepted "evidence" that is fabricated and or misleading and instead of addressing that you just keep going looking for more evidence that agrees with your position. But really it doesn't bolster your position any.To find scientists who agree there is a god doesn't prove there is a god, they haven't demonstrated their claims but rather offered an opinion. Finding scientists who disagree with evolution doesn't bolster your position either. These few scientists do not represent a larger body of scientists who do agree with the theory of evolution. I see no reason to take these few scientists word over this subject over the vast majority of scientists who agree with the evidence for evolution. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/12/darwin-day/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LevelofsupportforevolutionIt is the body of evidence that matters. Evolution has lots of empirical evidence it has and is happening, a god not so much.But hey, what about your Wald quote? Still going to use it even though it is a complete lie? What do you think of your source who propagated that lie? Does it matter to you at all?
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Evolution, like everything else has to have a starting pointWe know the starting point happened. The universe exists so we know for sure that the precursor to evolution happened. Life exists so we know for sure that the precursors to life existed. To claim that not knowing how the precursor works means that all the information that you do know is wrong is ridiculous.e starting point for evolution is claimed to be the big bang theoryNo it isn't. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? No one in the scientific community says that the big bang is the starting point of evolution. That lie is said by stupid people like Hovind. Evolution has the starting point of needing life to exist first. Anything can create life. Something created life and evolution took over. That is indisputable.You clearly don't look forward to the scientific discovery you like to get your science from stupid religious people.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

You are responsible for your own actions. You have been warned of the reality of Hell which confines sinners, separates them forever from all of God's goodness, consumes them forever so their sinning can no longer affect God's creation.You are carrying your burden of proof for yourself. You think you are proving that you can't end up in Hell, and the only way you can really prove what you believe is in dying. You are carrying your own burden all the way to the grave. Go ahead and prove it. Your burden is your own, you are proving it for yourself. Don't blame me if you find out that the proof is unbearable and you don't like it.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

"We should reject, as a matter of principle the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."(Biochemist, Franklin M. Harold "The Way of the Cell," page 205)
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

He is saying that we don't know the answer yet, not that there is no answer. Throughout human existence we have not had all of the answers. Throughout human existence people like you have decided that the things without answers were done by God. Throughout human history the aspects of life attributed to God have dwindled. This is called the God of the gaps.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

He is saying it's a matter of "principal", and that "principal" is nothing but pride, in spite of the "wishful thinking" needed to believe in evolution. God is the only answer for life. You are clinging to "wishful thinking", afraid God does not love you and afraid to trust that His way is best for you.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Why would you use the word principal and quote it to prove you know it is the wrong way to use it? Your use of quotes around wishful thinking denotes the exact opposite of what you are trying to say. I don't have wishful thinking and the use of quotes indicates that whoever is saying wishful thinking is using the wrong term, but since you are the only one using that term you are making fun of yourself.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

Why would you expect me to read any of your stuff? FYI, I usually do not finish reading the first sentence you write. The first few words you type usually show your evil and it's wearisome.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

The first few words you type usually show your evil and it's wearisome.I would think you would welcome evil since that is all you spew.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

"I would think...." is all I have to read from you to know you will just give me more of the same and I would be wasting time to read your stuff.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Of course people like you hate thinking.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Why would you expect me to read any of your stuff?You should read that last one because all I was doing was asking what you meant by your argument. I was actually not arguing against what you said because what you actually said sounded like you were agreeing with me. If you don't actually read what I wrote and respond to it it will only indicate that you are stupid for intentionally using a word incorrectly, and that you agree with me. So, in this instance it would be a really good idea.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

I read here "you should" but I don't see any reason to read any more of your stuff. In those two words alone, I can see your attitude so I know it's going to be more of the same from you and I'm not interested.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Excellent. You are admitting that you are stupid and that you think I am right. Works for me.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

"We should reject, as a matter of principle the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."(Biochemist, Franklin M. Harold "The Way of the Cell," page 205)He very clearly said "we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations." He said all we have is wishful speculations. Your desire for the answer supporting your belief is nothing but wishful speculations, that is all you have...wishing to escape God's judgement against your evils.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

All you have shown is the great concept that is science. In science you can't claim to know the answer before you have actually figured it out. He is saying that we don't have the answer to abiogenesis yet. That doesn't help you. He isn't saying that we will never know the answer. He isn't even saying that Darwinian model isn't possible for abiogenesis. He is simply saying that we don't have the actual answer. The funny thing is that science has wishful thinking as the alternative. You have the exact opposite. You have unwishful thinking. All you have is the scenarios you don't want to see. You seem to only have the God of the gaps argument. If we can't explain it, it must be God. Well, the amount of stiff that could only be explained by God shrinks all the time. All you have is the hope that there will be something left unexplained do you can keep your beliefs.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

By the way, this was a much better response than your first horrible attempt where you admitted I was right and that you were stupid.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

We are products of Evolution. The evidence for this is so mountainous and comprehensive, as well as being bereft of any serious alternative explanation, as to be all but irrefutable. The evidence for any sort of a god, however, is scant. So miniscule and spurious as to be basically negligible. Thus, I am choosing the former explanation. This is a no-brainer for me. When somebody furnishes me with ANY sort of evidence, or even a tiny HINT for a god, then I will listen. But as of yet that day has yet to come.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Evolution has got so much evidence behind it. To deny it is to revel in close-minded belief bias. In fact, the evidence for evolution is so vast it can be divided into several distinct fields of evidence (DNA evidence, fossil record evidence, homologous structual evidence, etc.)DNA evidence: ALL species share common genetic material. You even share portions of your DNA with your dog, your cat, heck, even your pet goldfish! The genetic code is universal. This is why scientists can genetically modify organisms; we all share common genetic backgrounds, which is why genes can easily be transmitted via a vector across two very different organisms and still code for the same proteins, leading to an eventual change in phenotype (the physical manifestation of the protein the gene codes for). More closely related organisms (organisms with more recent common ancestor) have even more DNA in common. For example, our DNA is 99% identical to that of chimpanzees because we share a common ancestor with them who lived about 6 million years ago (quite a short time relative to the huge evolutionary time scale.) This points to the conclusion that all species evolve from common ancestors, and that all species share a common ancestor.Fossil record evidence: If you've ever taken a Biology class, heck even a Social Studies class (I kid you not, we actually discussed this in Social Studies!) you may be familiar with a few of the waves of hominids such as Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Neanderthals etc. Scientists have discovered many fossils of these hominids. Careful observation of these fossils shows that each of these species were distinct from the others, the more recent ones being more similar to modern day humans, Homo Sapiens. This is physical evidence that human evolution took place. I strictly discussed human evolution, but this can actually be applied to pretty much every other species whose earlier fossils have been discovered.Homologous structural evidence: This field is actually quite difficult to explain lucidly, so I will link to a website which can explain it a lot better than I can: http://evolution.about.com/od/evidence/a/Homologous-Structures.htm\ This is just a very small portion of the myriad of evidence in support of evolution. To explain them all would take hours and a lot of patience! How about the "evidence" for creationism?Erroneous, fallacious holy books without a shred of evidence to back up their claims, rife with scientific errors and blatant contradictions.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

Evolution is a belief, a hypothesis, and nothing more. You take data and make conclusions based on your beliefs. You cling to your belief because you want to escape God's judgement against your evils. The only answer for you is the fire of Hell, and you will probably defy God and say there is no Hell until you find yourself frying there unable to escape.Because your belief is nothing but a hypothesis, your main argument becomes insults against God and those who say He is good. I've seen this from some of the most highly educated people in science....they resort to insults, hypothetical absurdities, deviations of topic to evade reasonable objection to conclusions based on hypothesis. Every time I read the arguments put up by atheists, I end up saying...."what a waste of time". I suppose God gives some credit for those who try to honor Him by reaching out to lost people trying to get them to listen to the truth. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell as unholy sinners not worthy to be in God's presence. God Himself became a man to pay our price in death, and rose from the dead to justify all who believe on Him. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Receive Him today as your Savior and be saved from your sins forever, and thank God that heaven is your home. If you have received the gift of God, you have eternal life. If you refuse His gift, you have eternal death and God will leave you cast away like stinking garbage in the fire pit of Hell. That's the way it is, like it or not. I like it myself. Praise the Lord!!!
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

"Nothing but a hypothesis". That's quite ironically exactly what creationism is... evolution is a scientific theory with heaps of evidence behind it. The great thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not, while religious beliefs are only true to those who claim them. Evolution is not a matter of belief, it is a matter of fact.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

Show me one monkey turning into a man. If you show me a bunch of different skeletons, I will concede that you showed me a bunch of different skeletons but failed to show me a monkey turning into a man.Your belief depends on millions of years between skeletons, millions of years in which you observed nothing but you still believe during that time a monkey turned into a man. If you want to believe that garbage, go ahead. You do not need it for science.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

This is one of, if not the, most common misconceptions people have about evolution. Apes didn't magically become humans; we share a common ancestor with apes, from which we both branched off and evolved separately. No evolutionary biologist in the world will tell you that apes just became humans.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

If apes did not magically become humans, why do you look like an ape?
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

If we are all a part of an intelligent design why are you such a fucking idiot?
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Booo Hoooo! My mommy was a weeble and my daddy was a monkey, and my green hat makes me look like a fat Christmas tree. Booo hooo Whahhhhhh wah wahhhh
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

No dispute about being an idiot then? We agree then.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

No dispute....booo hooooooo Wahhhh wah, I don't want to burn in Hell, I'm too good for it, boo hoo.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

No disputeWow, I am impressed. Self aware idiots are hard to find. Congratulations.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

Ha
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

You are a hater, so I guess you would enjoy a video making a mockery of hatred...assuming that's what it is, I won't be watching it. God loves you, hater.
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: EVOLUTION

If I am a hater why would I enjoy a video that mocks hatred. Wouldn't that be like a Christian enjoying a video that mocks Christianity?
Debate: God created us or evolution
Side: Creation

You promote hatred against God. God loves you. You always try to twist His love into hatred by finding fault with people who say God loves you.We all need forgiveness. You are not any better than the people you find fault with. We all need mercy or we have nothing but death. Time is a gift from God, and you abuse that gift by using it to blaspheme. You insist God cannot rule over or against you and in so doing you leave Him no other way to show you that to leave you burning in Hell. You are choosing your own way against God's love. You weary me with your hatred, so I give little if any time to reading anything you say. Your video mocking hatred is a waste of time. You enjoy it because you feel better with hatred then you do with God's love. You don't want to repent of your sin so you get your bang out of hatred. I hope you prove me wrong, but I'm see no evidence and weary of the drudgery you put yourself through fighting against God.