azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

What is the definition of atheism? I'm curious know if you know., if you want to know the truth of what you can never learn, you MUST go inwards, into non physical reality, In order to learn you must first perceive something, something you can begin thinking about. Now how could you possibly do that if your senses are not working?, but its not just as easy as closing your eyes and pulling out info from what you see, it is an entire science to it, it takes years of practice, but it worksClosing all senses? Nothing but you and your mind that itself is also not being used for much anything? You simply lie there? I've been in that state, felt like 2 minutes but in reality was 40, I was fully invigorated - similar to sleeping but much faster. You get nothing else out of it, only resting and re-energizing your body. All the rest you are talking about is literally nonsense. I got no special knowledge out of that state, you literally cannot get anything but rest out of it.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

we have ten senses, 5 internal, and 5 external senses, go read about that, and atheism is choosing not to believe in the existence of a supernatural creator, so how did all of life come into play? the big bang? whered that come from? exactly, science can only explain the few milliseconds from the start of the bang, onwards, not how it actually happened, and yes when you close all senses, you are still sensing, but you have changed your focus from the outside world, to the inside world, and the reason 2 minutes went by in 40 is because your mind fell asleep, you have to keep it conciously awake to have an experience
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

the big bang? whered that come from?Are you seriously asking about something that at this point has only science fiction, at best, as an explanation?and yes when you close all senses, you are still sensing, but you have changed your focus from the outside world, to the inside world, The inside world is just your own mind, there's nothing more to it.and the reason 2 minutes went by in 40 is because your mind fell asleep, you have to keep it conciously awake to have an experienceI assure you, I was conscious the entire time, and I've done it more than just once. The reason I got no "experience" is because there is nothing to get. Whatever you think you could get is of your own, personal, creation.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

you ask the same exact thing about religion"is just your mind" exactly, its just your mind, your true self, no external influences, just you and pure conciousness buddy, if you dont learn anything from these, well i cant help you there, it would seem you cant even trust your own mind, am i right?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

you ask the same exact thing about religionSo? It's valid in both cases."is just your mind" exactly, its just your mind, your true self, no external influences, just you and pure conciousness buddy, if you dont learn anything from these, well i cant help you thereTo learn something you need perception, you need senses. Otherwise it will only be fantasy, nothing more., it would seem you cant even trust your own mind, am i right?And you can trust your deluded mind? Are you joking?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

What he seems to be saying is that within your mind, is something more than neurons and instinct and memory and skills and whatnot.He's trying to tell you to tune into your soul.At least I think. His sort of beliefs are extremely vague and impossible to verify on purpose. If they were clear, it would be called psychology or neuroscience, not new-age bullshit.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

....that's not science.It seems completely useless as well. I don't think it works, but even if it did, what would it do?It seems to be made up. I don't think anything you say will convince me except actual evidence that this information you are getting is real.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

it would change your life and you would be a better, overall happier person, even if you think youre so happy now, you can always be happierif you want actual evidence, just watch this miniserieshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMzvJOu9vQ and dont ridicule me for believing that because it holds a shit ton of knowledge that you can apply to everyday life, interpret and apply it as you will
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Change my life and make me a better, happier person?What will? Taking LSD?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

A very good friend of mine has synaesthesia. It does not prevent them from perceiving reality, it just means that they make certain associations with things that others do not (e.g. seeing colors in addition to the sound); it is a system of association. Just saying, I think that that is rather a bit of a stretch.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

I would argue that religion is the biggest cop out of all. Religious people are afraid of not knowing all the answers to life's mysteries and therefore trust in an imaginary all-knowing man in the sky. People who are too weak and feeble minded to think for themselves or take responsibility for their actions too often say that "it's all in god's plan." How can this not be a cop out? I alone am responsible for the actions that I do. I alone am responsible for the things I say, the things I achieve in life, the way I treat people, etc. Religious people are too weak to take responsibility for their own actions, thereby giving up their entire being and existence to "god."
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

no, living a life of god is alot harder than you would think, try getting laughed at, ridiculed, people hate you, and they dont even listen to what we have to say, religion is just bullshit, but living a life of god is not a cop out, you dont understand god, and you base your reasoning off of it through organized institutions, which jesus came to destroy, but after he died, looks like they went right back to it
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Are you kidding me? Religious people are clearly in the majority and it is atheists who are ridiculed and picked on. How many times a day does atheists way of thought influence your life? Does your money say "In atheism we trust" or does it say "In god we trust?" Religion impacts my life all the time and it is this that makes me dislike religion. It is on thing to believe something and keep your beliefs to yourself. But whether you like it or not, religion is predominant in Western countries and their governments. Atheism plays no part in the policies of governments anywhere in the world. Besides, how many wars have been started over atheism? Can you say the same thing about religion?Living a life of "god" is a cop out. Who, in your mind, is responsible for the successes and failures in your life?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

Whos responsible? Oh idk maybe ME? Its my life im not a puppet being controlled, i make my own mistakes and learn from them, if you think thats a cop out you must think living is a cop out. Atheism has a larger effect than you would think: a people without god is a people who have nothing to live for, and are easily taken over, just look at hitler and what he did: ridicule god and shun all "true" believers... And besides atheisms main focus is science and if im not mistaken science has done MUCH more harm than religion, it may have done more good than harm itself, but the harm that has come out of science is still affecting us today
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

There is nothing that says external observation and internal observation have to be mutually exclusive. In my life, they inform one another and I do not think that one can truly shut out either one and lead a healthy life. There will always be both our internal reality and the external reality.I am an atheist and an objective critical thinker. I do not believe something if there is no external evidence to warrant that belief, and I am disinclined to believe it if there is an alternative substantiated by fact and reason. I also practice Buddhism and am very in touch with my internal self. I do not consider myself to be Buddhist because I do not ascribe to all of the beliefs on faith, as I find some important facets to be contradictory to what I know from my experience and knowledge of external reality. However, I have explored the basic practices and tenants of Buddhism and found those which have provided me a structure to meditate upon my experiences and to join them with my understanding of the world.These two are not mutually exclusive. The internal and external are both important. Being in touch with oneself and ones sense of truth does not preclude being a rational, critical thinker who demands evidence and substantiation.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Firstly, empirical evidence is the only form of evidence, and your physical senses are the only way of doing that. And don't give me this bullshit about having to focus inward and accept god. I've done that. I've knelt with hands clasped in prayer confessing every bad thing I've done and begged for some manifestation of the divine, to several different gods in different ways (I was a Pagan for a while after I broke free from my childhood indoctrination into Christianity). It never came.Believe me, I want it to be true. I'm a huge fan of Lord Of The Rings, and I wish there were wizards and dragons and stuff, like in the Bible as well I guess, but I became an atheist when I felt I should accept reality for what it is. That's what atheism has meant for me, facing reality. And reality isn't as cool as magic and monsters, but it's all there is.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

well you did it wrong, you cant just beg the divine to show itself.... you dont gain divine knowledge out of personal satisfaction, you do it for the benefit of humankind, and i still fail to see the logic in using an ancient interpretation of a book while we are in the modern age, and my personal experiences would tell me theres way more to reality, but hey thats just me
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Working extensively to explain our universe via naturalistic laws and hypotheses that open up concepts far more elaborate and beautiful than any deity could imagine?Yea, total copout.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

You see, Atheism itself is not a copout. But the gross amount of bias as you observe above is. Chuck just couldn't help but throw in the bit about a deity, he just couldn't help it. Take that out and I was going to say that I can say the same thing as a Christian who doesn't disregard science. Atheists aren't the only ones who care about science. Arrogance, in this case, is a total copout.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

You see, Atheism itself is not a copout. But the gross amount of bias as you observe above is. Chuck just couldn't help but throw in the bit about a deity, he just couldn't help it.._.You do realise that this is a debate that concerns deities, right?Take that out and I was going to say that I can say the same thing as a Christian who doesn't disregard science. Atheists aren't the only ones who care about science. Arrogance, in this case, is a total copout.No disrespect intended here (though I'm sure you'll find it), but the level of science I'm referring to is way beyond the likes of Intelligent Design.I'm talking brane collision, super symmetry, singularities, poincare reccurence, things that make the mind of the starry eyed amateur salivate. Compare brane collision, the creation of everything we can observe from a cataclysmic release of energy following the clash of infinitely long, trans-dimensional universes; to everything be poofed into existence by magic. How could one prefer the latter (at a purely scientific level, not based on probability).
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

Atheism doesn't imply: " Working extensively to explain our universe via naturalistic laws and hypotheses that open up concepts far more elaborate and beautiful than any deity could imagine." That would be science.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

True, but the majority of scientists are atheists, and you're more likely to do what I said if you are an atheist.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

And with your current beliefs, you will never live to see the day that happens, so you are wasting your time trying to explain how the universe works, so what happens when we figure out how it works? we will get extremely bored, no? we will want to explain more, but there will be nothing left to explain, and we will die of a curiosity that cant be quenched
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Uhhh, what are you talking about?We do understand the universe very well. If you want to pretend we don't, then go smash your computer to bits, because it relies on extremely delicate circuitry. Impossible unless we had advanced knowledge of electricity and atomic manipulation.We have solar power that makes electricity from the sun, chemicals that work as medicine to cure us of disease, we have houses with running water, and we have a robot on Mars right now. This is what happens when we figure out more and more. We explore and do new things. We create and invent, we make art and beautiful things and we enjoy life. Perhaps we meet with new life from other worlds, if they exist. The possibilities are endless, but we cannot know until we get there.We are doing very well understanding the universe.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

We can never get bored of trying to discover new things. I myself become more enthralled by the universe every day, because whenever we get an answer, we get another question that goes with it. Only someone completely closed minded and lazy could not appreciate how great that is.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Atheism is logical thinking, Atheism is freedom, is not having to serve a imaginary friend that loves you, and that you need to be afraid of, because if you do one thing, one little thing that is out of your Lord's laws, you gonna go to a really bad place, where you're going to suffer and burn in the eternity, is that in some kind of way logical? NO, that's all bullshit, religion is no-sense and you should all think a little bit about that.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

you need to come to personal grips wih god, if anyone fears their god, they are obviously being deceived, god is unlimited and unbounded, and all it wants to do is share that with us, and what you described is a christians beliefs, not my beliefs
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

But your beliefs are wrong.How do I know? Christians disagree with you!To be honest, how can anyone know? What christians and you believe have no evidence, so I have no reason to ever believe you.It's best and sane to assume you're lying or insane, until you present real, verifiable and reliable evidence.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

am i the one thats really insane? for going inside my own mind and learning what is true to me? like i have stated many times before, its an inner journey for the proof, which means into your own mind, and if you cant trust your own mind with what it is trying to tell you, surely that makes YOU insane, does it not?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

You have said on this debate that one cannot trust their sensory interpretations of the external world... yet those interpretations are an internal process within the mind/brain. They occur in the same place. Your internal reality is shaped by your experiences of the external world. The two cannot be separated as you attempt to do.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

Yes they can? What exists outside of our mind is true reality, but we cant observe true reality directly... we have to stand outside of it and see what is being sensed... and your external world is created through a filter system of beliefs, outlooks, inlooks, what others see you as, social value, cultural value, and probably a ton more that affect the external world we perceive, thats why "i think therefore i am not, only when the mind is silent, i am"
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

They interact. Period. We filter and interpret but there are things that we can know and at a minimum the two do affect one another."I think therefore I am" is hardly a non-refuted philosophical premise. Way to go appeal to authority fallacy.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

they exist independently of one another, though, so what we perceive is not "real"
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

What's this obsession with having to have beliefs to defend? Or having to see to it that everyone believes the same way you do? I have beliefs, but they're my beliefs. I don't personally feel the need to go out and recruit the whole damn planet to my way of thinking.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

im not, its just that when atheists attack people who believe, all they do is attack and have nothing to defend, while the other side is left only defending, its retarded, and its not just belieiving the way i do, its having higher conciousness, and that is not a belief, its a reality, im trying to wake people up, to a whole new reality that they cant perceive due to a corrupt "education" system
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

A number of atheists interact with theists in a way that is more accurately represented as being anti-theistic, but a number of them do not. For me, the distinguishing factor is that anti-theism is defined as being against faith, and atheism is the absence of faith-based beliefs.As an atheist, when I engage with theists in debate I frequently do present my own system of ethics and explain how it derives from a non-theistic foundation. The brief version: My ethics derive from my understanding of human psychology and sociology, and are closely connected to a utilitarian framework. My worldview is that the individual is inescapably connected to the communities within which they live; ergo, any action harmful to the collective is ultimately detrimental to each of its members. For the record, I consider the well-being of the collective to be contingent upon the well-being of its individual members too (including and especially its minorities). Consequentially, actions which are advantageous to the individual(s) and collective are ethically good and those which are detrimental are ethically bad.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

It could be fun. Doctor Who had an episode where everyone on Earth was turned into a Time Lord, or whoever that guy was.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Ahhh! The Master! The long standing Time Lord adversary of The Doctor. Dun-dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun-dun. #DrWhoGeek
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Atheism is not a cop out, it is a put down. Atheists see their belief as superior to all other beliefs, giving them a sense of false arrogance based on their own preconceived notions. After all only atheist have the capacity to do critical thinking, just ask them.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

And how is religion not the exact same. How is religion itself not a put down. 1. Everyone who does not believe in my sky god will punish for all eternity after they die unless they accept my god. 2. And doesn't the majority of major religions claim to be the correct one and all others false? Is that not a put down and a claim to being the superior belief?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

ya religion is EVIL why does noone understand this? stop comparing god, pure love, to soemthing so full of fear and hatred, its really narrowminded thinking
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Those that are misinformed believe that you will be punished. Is there a reason you should be punished? Religions don't claim to be correct, people do.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

It is not arrogance if you are correct. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support theistic beliefs, whereas there is considerable evidence to support non-theistic scientific observations and analysis. Faith is not a critical thought process; it is a system of beliefs. I do not think that theists lack a capacity for critical thinking overall, only that critical thinking is not a component of religious belief. It is a definitional distinction supported by the facts.Finally, my notions are not preconceived. I arrived at them after evaluating the facts and evidence and applying my reason. I was raised with religion; that was the preconception in my life.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

Not arrogant and claim to be correct, pardon me while I laugh. You have faith that what you believe is correct, talk about a leap of faith.I always enjoy those that say it is fact without providing any evidence. (Yep, you've convinced me)All notions are preconceived, we just search for evidence to support them.What made you believe the things you believe, critical thinking? What makes you believe that I didn't arrive at my conclusions without doing critical thinking?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

Not arrogant and claim to be correct, pardon me while I laugh. I decline. The definition of arrogance is premised upon an exaggeration of one's merit or abilities. If someone is actually correct then they are not exaggerating, they are simply correct. You have faith that what you believe is correct, talk about a leap of faith.  I always enjoy those that say it is fact without providing any evidence. (Yep, you've convinced me). I do not have faith. I have reason. The burden of proof always lies with those making a positive claim (ii.e. that god exists / theism is correct). It is an absolute fact that there is no actual evidence to support that claim. That is not an exaggeration, it is true. I do not seek to prove that God does not exist, but that there is no reason to believe that he does. I will not adhere to a belief in something that is not supported by facts. The principles that guide my life are derived from scientific understandings of human psychology and sociology. It is not a leap of faith. All notions are preconceived, we just search for evidence to support them. Except that there are absolute answers within science with the scientific method is followed. The hypothesis may be preconceived, but the research will prove it true or false if established protocol are followed. For the record, I do read the methodology and am familiar with best practice when I evaluate my information. I also read publications on all major sides of an issue. What made you believe the things you believe, critical thinking? What makes you believe that I didn't arrive at my conclusions without doing critical thinking?Yes, I have arrived at my stance by critical thought. Theism is not based upon reason, it is based upon faith. You may have thought about it, but not critically insofar as it is entirely subjective and unsubstantiated.
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

"Faith is not contrary to reason, faith is reason grown courageous. Sherwood Eddy
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: yes

Atheists see their belief as superior to all other beliefs, giving them a sense of false arrogance based on their own preconceived notions.This might happen to individual atheists, but at least false, superior arrogance isn't taught by any universally accepted atheist scripture, which is more than I can say for the scriptures of the main monotheistic religions. Infidel, anyone? Any heretical, blaspheming sinners agree with me?
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

An cop out from what?---------------------------------------------------------
Debate: is atheism just a cop out?
Side: no

How is it a cop out? A cop out to what? Do you think people become atheists because they can't choose a religion or something? Atheism is having to face cold hard reality, which is often the hardest thing to do.