Debate: Should the minimum wage be abolished?
Side: No.

To the contrary, you are the one refuses to open your mind to new ideas just because you didn't personally think of them.I hear other people's opinions all the time... My mind is very open. I see alternative possibilities rather easily, I just hold the better ones more strongly.There's just no excuse for that level of egoism.Using my own mind instead of repeating those that have gone before me is egoism? I see flaws almost everywhere, because there are flaws almost everywhere, and that is why I don't repeat others. My own opinions I can change whenever I notice they need improvements.No, definitely too much. You're just some kid who thinks he's figured the world out because he's accidental become a communist.Yeah... you are rather stupid.As I said before, age does not necessarily make one smart. A twenty year old could easily be smarter than a sixty year old. Individuals' intelligence differ.I am not a communist. But you seem to be an idiot, as you claim me being someone without you knowing me at all.I've not asserted it, I've tediously made the case for why money is needed.Something is needed when it is absolutely necessary for life's continuance or the advancement of society or science. Money is not needed, all those could go on, could advance without money, and faster than they currently do. If there is no money there is no movement, if money did not exist no one would be waiting for it to start moving, they would just move, because it would be their job. Money keeps things moving and it also keeps things not moving, and it determines how fast they move. With no money they would have almost always a constant speed.I know you are a Marxist communist. Nothing else about you is relevant here.No I'm not. You don't know enough about me.You're not mysterious, I can see right through you.Now this is a delusion. It is not? Okay then, describe me in detail.You say I small fraction, I say the relevant fraction. Your views on things other than economics don't matter here.Everything is connected, so yes, if you claim me to be someone I'm not then you have to know every single aspect, every detail, about me, and you don't.You are a Marxist communist. You both deny the necessity of money and believe in a labour theory of value. Both of which have been both theoretically and historically proven wrong.Society with no money has been proven wrong? No, it hasn't, because it hasn't even really been tried. Think logically and you'll notice that it is very much possible. As I've said, you've been taught things you cannot think outside of, things that make the basis of your thinking. My basis comes from myself, and I can change it whenever I like, and I have changed it before, and I'm fairly certain I will improve it the future.You never answered my question about China. Are they idiots too?China? They've got issues... apparently they're not smart enough to solve them.Because they are communist... I see. The reason I keep telling you I am not a communist is because I'm not a communist.You've said it yourself, you don't see any need for money. You are a communist by definition. It's not my invention, it's the political theory you've chosen to live by, intentionally or not.Read my above statement.I haven't chosen to live by any political theory. Choosing something is intentional, I have not chosen anything already existing. All my opinions are of my own origin.You're both young and lacking mental maturity.I seem mentally more mature than you. You refuse to educate yourselves on even the basics of economics due to laziness and you twist it in your head to convince yourself it's because you don't want to be tainted with knowledge and wisdom or some nonsense like that.So wrong. Learning about something in detail that is utterly worthless to me is a waste of time. Why should I willingly want to brainwash myself? Or I simply learn and nothing changes, I simply get proof of me being right? I'd rather look at things as they really are, without any kind of bias. The human civilization is very messed up, if you just looked at it from outside your box.You're ignorant of the world. That's nothing to be proud of.Ignorant of the world? Seeing the world as it really is is being ignorant?I'm not in a box, I have the world of economics and it's history at my disposal to judge and conclude on what works and what doesn't.So, you look at what has happened and take that as absolute truth, without thinking about alternative possibilities, why exactly things went the way they did, whether there are better ways or not. You are in a box, too bad you cannot see it yourself.You are a wilfully ignorant teenager who thinks they're smarter than literally every single contemporary economist simply because they are 'blinded by knowledge'. Absolutely absurd.Teenager? Teenage ends with 19 and I'm above that...Have I ever said I'm smarter than someone else? Well, I certainly am smarter than you.You are blinded by knowledge, knowledge with what you keep shutting out other, better, possibilities of human civilization, you don't even consider them, you simply follow what you have been taught, without questioning. Now that is absurd, and sounds just like religion.The ideas you've come up with on your own are wrong.They aren't wrong, not my problem you are unwilling to comprehend them.These ideas have been around for almost 200 years now. They've been tried. They've failed. You have nothing going for you here.How long has money been around? Far more than 200 years, and there are still problems with it. The fact that money is being kept is because people are raised in its environment. The net effect money will have is only negative. As time goes on humanity becomes only smarter. At one point money will be abolished, assuming we don't kill ourselves before that.First attempts at anything tend to fail miserably, this is no exception.The sooner you realize the truth abut money, the better for you.Do you believe in evolution? Well, that's a predetermined view, so I guess that's a religion too according to you.Evolution is not a predetermined view... It's what has literally been happening since the beginning of our universe. And on Earth since the first reproductive "molecules". Worldviews are all man-made while evolution is not only in our minds, it's all around us, happening at this very moment.Do you even know what religion means? Did I not say like religion?Your own mind has given you no understanding of the basic of economics, yet you believe you know more about economics than someone with extensive education on the matter.Learning something that ultimately is worthless is pointless. Money is negative to humanity.You're a lazy ignoramus kid who can't handle the thought of not automatically being right all the time, but also doesn't want to do any research whatsoever to make sure he is even in the same ballpark as being right.Read some lines up, you'll notice a part where I prove that I'm not a kid. Or you have trouble understanding who a kid is?I am not right all the time, just majority of the times. And about money, I am right.I do research whenever it is necessary, in this topic it is not necessary.Economics is a highly mathematics field.More than physics or information technology?Economics being, as you say, highly mathematics makes no difference. Economy based on money is a waste of time, it could be so much easier. The only reason it is not is greed.There is a definitive correct answer to most economic questions. This isn't philosophy. You can't re-invent the wheel here and expect to be taken seriously.It's not reinventing anything, it's simply logic, just observe and make conclusions. But you seem to lack that ability.If there was no money there would be no need for that much mathematics in economy. Why make things harder if there is a much simpler way?having knowledge about economics is absolutely necessary in order to think critically on the topic.I have enough knowledge about it. It would be better without it, but that would also require a change in worldview, and higher and better education.If you don't even know about various theories, let alone their tried and proven effects on the market, you may end up, Oh, I don't know, coming up with communism and believing there's nothing wrong with it.You simply cannot leave your stupidity behind, can you?As I have said, I use my own mind, not base my opinions on views that have already been established, because they are partly flawed.Coming up with communism? To claim that you first have to know all my opinions, and you don't.(Which I did, I just wasn't so egotistical as to contend I was the first to think of it when I learned it already existed).I highly doubt that.The problem with this is that to me, your proto-communist ideas are pre-existing.And as I have said, I am not a communist.therefore I cannot adhere to your theory.There are two main reasons for adhering to something. First is if you were taught in a certain way (your current way). The second is through understanding and considering all possibilities and taking the best one of them (that's me). There are some other ones in between, but they're not relevant here.