azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

But the whole peeps in the world is about the "Zameer" and what wuold you say to god when you go to him which you have to do anyways but if you become Bush and destroy a whole nation just for the sake of your family enemiship with mr. saddam hussein and for the lots of Oil which he owned Is that justified End Result IRAQ is in complete Chaosokk you ppl might don't think this waybut just to end the world war II bombing Hiroshima / Nagasaki was right ? end Result war ended But Side Effects Human s in japan Completely are destroyedDoes anyone has a counter argue ment for this
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

Who would you like to be Narendra Modi standing On the pyre of 1000s to be a succesful cm or Just any other cm doing decent job its all about having innocence and your ethics right
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

If we are speaking in terms of the end justifying the means, then it definitely doesn't. What if I killed 500 people for 1 dollar?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

I read many of d arguements written by u all n saw that maximum number of people considering end as d more important thing.........would juz lyk to put an arguement in reference to D movie three idietz which became really popular..........d only thing Mr.Amir khan wanted to tell b a able person dont frget ur real identity reaching that peak point just carrying on the way just seeing the goal never make u a real person rather reaching there when u again think that.....iz that wz imp to give up my moral values to reach this point.......aapka zameer aapko kabhi ijazat nahin dega.....think twice
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

In the short term, No.A 'good' end attained by 'bad' means almost always boils down to the means being favorable towards the desired end (and maybe a subsection of those involved) but being unfavorable towards the majority. The ill will this generates can (and often does) overturn any good that may have been accomplished by the 'good' end.Only in the long run can the end be seen as more important than the means.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

I posted on both sides of this debate; in the long term I believe the ends are more important.That said, I should note that I do not favor the long term over the short term or vice versa. When I say long term, I'm talking multiple generations, so when a need is immediate long term planning is not particularly useful. Similarly, some short term sacrifices are acceptable, even necessary, for long term prosperity.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

the road of life twists and turns...no two directions are same. yet our lesson comes from the journey not the destination.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

the road of life never twists and turns... it is ur actions that make you and ur path turn and coil. So your life is decided by your actions which is nothing but a result of a many kind of mental decisions . so ultimately, ur life is directly dependent on how u perceive ur end
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

but the lessons from the road which we get is due to the journey but we start that journey just to get the destination
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

i strongly feel that end is far more important than the means used to obtain the result. the point is clearly evident from the fact that when you join a new school,or make a new friend, one of the questions that they will pose is What u want to become in the future? and not how u want to become like that. As stated by my friend in this competitive world, the destination of your journey is important not the path taken.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

frnd the destination is important i agreeee but if the path taken is not right you wont't reach the destination...........
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

dear ,there are a number of means to reach ur destination. the end can be reached through any one of these... even if your path is not right, your determination towards goal will take u there.. means r neither good nor bad. it is the way we perceive it.. the same mean is good for someone and bad for others. because all fingers are not same in height.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

frnd, what you mentioned as determination is also a means to reach the end.......
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

well what u say is something like this-you take part in a race;you determine to win;but you don't practice ;you dont try to win;you lose;Still, do u call determination as a mean????????
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

That is what i say the destination are the END need not be the same for each individual  ONE MAN'S FOOD IS ANOTHER MAN'S POISONSo END is NOT IMPORTANT.Pursue a noble path let the END BE ANYTHING......
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

dear,you suppose that your noblest path may be the most imp. than the end???Then by using good means you are ready to kill many????Some times, in your life, you may approach your problem in the most noblest way, but the end is not beneficial to the entire natural harmonythere r many examples: 1 to save your self you kill a mosquito2 to help someone , you may be having to do the following which are generally highly negligible mistakes:- cutting trees for paper, constructions;-creating polution etcbut these are negligible- that is you have decided to face the end no matter what the means be
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

then maybe you have not understood the topic well.....................it asks whether you will go to any extent to reach your goal.....:-)
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

We may reach the destination but you can't get the fruitx of it or enjoy its taste
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

yes , you are correct that end is more important than means . Also in the case of jagdish chandra basu, this had happened.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

i think my frnd u r a little bit confused abt d topic.The topic asks dat ''what matters?'' The goal which u want to accomplish or the methods or means dat u use to achieve it.now u tell me,whatever u want to become in future, whether u can become without using good means?Now i m giving u a very solid instance dat will remove your all doubts........Consider d case of a sportsman.what do u think his aim is?to become a worldclass famous player.Suppose,he has achieved his aim but wat happens with him if he is found to be indulge in taking drugs?????????????his whole career is spoiled,his whole fame is lost.jst by using a wrong mean he looses everything what he has achieved till nw..So,what becomes important????MEANS or END????Ofcourse MEANS.....
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

yes, end is more important than means because we do all the things for the end or we can say good results but not for watching what essential and important things have been used. e.g. our parents do many things for us but they use several things without caring that what they have used. Instead, they know that what they have used will surely give a good end.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

And if your parents beat you into submission, is that a good means to an end of doing well in school or other places? No, it's not. You're going on the assumption that everyone's journey is a good one, a fair one and not an unjust one. That's just wrong because some people will step all over others to get what they want. All they care about is the end result and not the means it took to get there.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Parents beat children only when they do mistake, so, thats not a wrong mean. They do this for correcting them for leading them to a good end.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes, the end is the whole point. Without an end, the means don't matter. Look at the great winners of the world. Do they care what it took to get there? Did they let anything get in their way or slow them down? No. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a winner, and he did what it took to get there. It was very difficult, and he put in a lot of work, but in the end it all paid off. And he didn't have to kill anyone to get there either. He made personal sacrifices in order to get there. But in the end he was a winner because of it.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

but what about hitler he achieved a lot: He provided stability to germany and restored the economy but he sacrificed humanity to do so
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

YES END IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MEANS. SUPPOSE U HAVE A LOT OF BOOKS IN UR TABLE BUT IF U DON'T WANT TO STUDY THAN THERE IS NO USE TO HAVE THEM.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes, he is right because to achieve the end means is important but to use those means, we need to think about starting the end.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

 Philosophically, it may be right to say that means used is important but in practical life, it is highly impossible to give preference to the means alone! How many of you use the sincere means at every point of ur life? In this contemporary world, if you keep giving preference to the means alone, without any estimation about your end then, even after a lot of hardships you will find yourself in the middle of no where! Then if you turn back to your past, you will find only blank spaces instead of success.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

William Shakespeare said,"All's well that ends well".So,of all the cases in the world the end of everything decides whether it is good or bad.If we have to achieve success in life, we have to fix the goal and act accordingly.For example,many philosophers and scientists first decided their aim and went on discovering many valuable things...............If my competitors argue that,in gita Krishna said that we should keep on working hard not expecting any end,then i would like to say that the saying is totally impractical and can't be used in this fast moving 21st century.I would like to rebut that Lord Krishna himself at times used unfair means in the war because he was determined to win the war.In case of the exams you yourselves appear,would you like to fail after doing a lot of hard work..........no,so it proves that if end is good every thing is good.lets take this argument as an example,if you have given your comments then leave this site and let me alone enjoy the points provided.Ha ha ha!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Let me take you to the ages of mahatma gandhi. he gave a lot of importance to the means. But let me remind you all that during the chauri chaura incident, India enjoyed the maximum advantage and to be precise, india would have driven out the britishers out of our land, if gandhi had not called off this movement. That was a tremendous mistake made by mahatma, or india would have been pest free long before 1947 and by now it might have made a lot of economical and biologial progess!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

be practical LIFE IS LIFE,whether it is INDIAN life or BRITISH life ....................... GANDHIJI wanted to attain FREEDOM without life loss.............................
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

you see_______thats what i wanted you to come up with" GANDHIJI wanted to attain FREEDOM without life loss."is the End result of course
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

YA SURE...................................WITHOUT SACRIFICE YOU CANNOT ATTAIN NIRWANA..............Just think the life loss if the CHAURI CHAURA incident had happened!!!!!!!!!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

YA YA YAyour statement of sacrifice reminds me of something?Be Practical, where the world is self contained and you work for yourself.If u think sacrifice leads to nirwara, what happened in the cases of poor people who sacrificed their lives ?You are not rich because you are able than the poor, it is the poor peoples sacrifice>>every one sacrifices something only to achieve their end which they regard as importantFor eg. during exams , students give up viewing tv, chit chat and concentrate on studiesDoes this sacrifice give them Nirwara? NOBut it gives them good marks or at least a good confidence to appear for the exam
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Its NIRWANAwhat you say as GOOD MARKS and CONFIDENCE is the ultimate end gained from the sacrifice made......................if the sacrifice such as students give up viewing tv, chit chat and concentrate on studies was not made then they would not have reached the end...........HENCE THE SACRIFICE(MEANS) WAS AN IMPORTANT PATH FOR THE END
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

you pronounced it right, deepi agree that sacrifice is of course imp for the end; but it is never imp than the end. in the case, the people of the world sacrifice something or the other in thier life;but all are not recognised by the world. only those who achieve their end succesfully are recognised. i agree that path may be important, but before the END, it does't stand a chance.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

if the sacrifice wasn't made the end would not have been recognized or the end would not have been so important.........................
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

yeahbut if you feel that the end was not important, why would you sacrifice?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

i didn't mean that end was not important but i meant that means was important to reach the end............
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

i know, that both end and means are important.neither did i mean what u took me for. if you think that reaching the end was not so important than the things you sacrifice, why would you sacrifice?if you feel that passing the exam was not important than watching TV, definitely, you will choose to fail in the exam than to lose your TV shows>>
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

I agree that cheating is not fair. But the fact is that if you always study hard , you might not get the results you expect. Some people study hard without consulting guide books, taking tutions and coaching classes.Those people are rarely sucessful.But some people do just the opposite.They study only the important and selected questions and consults guide books, takes tutions and coaching classes. In this way they reach their goal and get what they expected or sometimes more than that.Other people will not see how they achieved their goal but only their result.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

Dear friend,hard work,referring to guides,going to tutions,reading important que are all means which takes us to the end..... so here you have fallen in line with my idea
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

I'd like to ask a question from all my opponents that why are all of them answering and taking part in this debate? This is because they want to prove themselves right which is itself an end but then also they are not knowing about it. they are using several means like the Internet, the informations from here and there but their ultimate end is to achieve the end that is to prove themselves right and they cannot argue about this even they even want to because this is the truth which is bitter for them
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

your point of rebuttal is remarkable!Let me tell you something_PRINCE AND PHOENIX ARE BOTH USED BY ME!!! serious! i wanted to vote you 2 points! so i use 2 different users. your argument is flawless! keep it up, partner!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

my dear friend, thanks for your nice words for me and I'd also like to appreciate you for your opinions in this debate and thanks once again.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

I would like to support your points by giving an example of eklavya from epics of bhagvadgita
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Ha Ha Good thinking, dear friend anoop. This question is the hit of all ur arguments. i am sure our opponents have a difficult time to ans this one. i vote u 2 points!Keep it up.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

You're wrong. At least, if you were correct in your assumption, that would be all that I could say, but even you accept that the opposition is working to prove (i.e. focusing on the means, rather than simply stating whether or not this view is right or wrong) their side. An argument without warrant is meaningless, so if you pinned this one someone who simply answered with a 'nay', you'd be absolutely right. Simply pointing out the people value the end, doesn't imply that it's more important than the means.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

dear damon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!well your opposition is itself an example to quote that anoop is 200% right!How?Well your opening statement- u r wrong- is your end point or your aim- a kind of destiny to be full filled. Knowingly y or unknowingly, you have given a lot of importance to your aim- by placing it at top of your rebuttal. you oppose someone not because you can, bt because you want to oppose and prove that you are right. you do all these things only to prove that you right.if you shoot the arrow it wont continuously keeping flying. But the point where it landed is important. the arrow may land on your enemy, or you friend , or even yourself. so for everything, an end is required. So judge yourself if your arrow hit you or anoop!!Well sorry if i hurt you. all the best next time
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

You didn't hurt me, 'ppreciate the concern though. Anyways, my point isn't that we don't have goals or that decision should be made without the desire to achieve something. Rather, I'm saying that we should weigh methods and results equally.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

dear friend,happy to know that u are unhurt!!!!!!!!!( just kidding)well, you say that means and results should be weighed equally... the point which is not relevant to the present rebuttal situation... though i personally liked your point of view..but in a debate, you should talk either for or against the motion.it is not a speech to give a symmetrical statement.. though what you said is correct.friend i argue that end is important.......you are supposed to argue that means are important...the judge will consider both the arguments and finally say- both are equally important.but you are not supposed to assume urself as a judge
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

friend i want to tell u that if u have fight with some one on any issue it doesn't matter to u or any pride person to know about whether he is khali or any bali or any pure fellow the only thing is what in ur mind is that i am right and if i am right i will fight forever no matter what will be the end is for me it doesn't matter i will will win or loose but main thing in my mind will be that i have to fight till i have breath in my heart or else till i win. it shows that the manner and most important the reason for which i fought.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

an argument without warrant is meaningless of course. but the argument is aimed at disproving annop this means that you are working for the end.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

yes end is more important than the means because most of the people in against it take the support of lame civilization world if you want to be remembered you can do anything good or bad.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

As my allies have said it is no point in saying that means justify the ends in 21st century. Henry Wadsworth has said "we judge ourselves by what we feel we could do, while others judge us by what we have already done no matter how we did it". To support his view let us take the example of China. China's child policy, Olympics forced recruitment you all will say are big infringements of individual rights. indeed they are but they have given china a strategic position in the world. Whatever expressions of China we form today will all be faded soon when China will become the next SUPERPOWER of the world.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

good quote u got ,hey i got an idealets party,praty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

If one doesnt even knows that what is the end of a work or the used means, then what is the importance of the used means. We use the resources but we identify them when we use them. Till they do not come in our use, we are not able to know them and thus they have no identity of their own.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

be practical,its 21st century my dear opponents, people has no time to ask 4 means, its all the end what people ask and praise in this fast moving world
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

means may be good or bad,hard or easy to do, it is for a short duration while the end is ever lasting, so that should be fair and more imp. to consider
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

i would like to rebut my all opponents favouring means that a poor person can't afford for means, so is it mean this that if he had talent he can't success without means? no my dear lotus grows in mud, talent brings them out which isn't any means success stands on 4 pillars: talent, confidence, hope and positive approach..........so where is the place vacant for the importance of means
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

see my dear the talent,confidence,hope and positive approach are nothing but the means that takes you to success. Unknowingly you have fallen in line with my idea that MEANS JUSTIFIES THE END.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

But my dear friend, you have also fallen in line with my idea that, "MEANS HAS TO ACHIEVE THEIR OWN END BEFORE TO LEAD TO THE OTHER END"
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

is there any personal dispute between you and me that you search all my comments and post nonsense replies!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

You are correct .Most of people who qualified IAS belong to very poor families. they got success because they did not bothered about facilities
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

dearest neha,u say that talent, confidence, positive approach and hope are important.MEAN is something with which we attain our goalso aren't the above mentioned coming under means?so i say:think before u act!pardon me if i was rude.........
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Dear Prince, kindly read out the above line of mine where I have said that' "MEANS HAVE TO ACHIEVE THEIR OWN END BEFORE TO LEAD TO THE ANOTHER". And PARDON me if I Hurt you
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

dear anoop. i agree with you. Having talent is not important. In fact everyone has got talents hidden in them. What makes the difference is what you make out of your talent and how you show your talent in managing and using your talent. little confusing? Forget it. Thanks
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

It is important what you achieve and not how u achieve. After setting a goal, we think in what way we can proceed on. it's goodBut if we keep thinking on that whether this way is right or wrong and don't start working, we can never progress. We must start working and overcome all the barriers that come against our goal. Today's life is a big competitive world, it's like a war. And there's nothing unfair in war and love. Just our goal must be a good one. So to achieve that goal is the most important thing not the means which might be sometime wrong and sometime right.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

i agree to ompilla that end should be a good one,means may vary to good or bad as lord krishna has did in mahabharata