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Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

You're agreeing with something I didn't say. I don't see how you call that debating.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

I quoted you though. How did you not say it? I agree with what you wrote. What you wrote applies to everyone. I don't see how bringing up the Grinch that stole Christmas is debating.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

So you agree that your argument is Invalid. OK, then it makes sense that you're supporting me now.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

So you agree that your argument is Invalid.No, that's not what you said. Your argument had nothing to do with validity. I do agree that my statement isn't true just because I say it. It is true because it happened.OK, then it makes sense that you're supporting me now.You supported me first. ;)
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

No, that's not what you said.Doesn't matter if I say it or not, because it's what logically follows from my point.You supported me first. ;)All of my arguments directed at you within this debate are disputes until you supported me, which can clearly be observed by scrolling down from your initial post and clicking the "show replies" link.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Doesn't matter if I say it or not, because it's what logically follows from my point.It doesn't. Just because you say it does doesn't make it true. :)All of my arguments directed at you within this debate are disputes until you supported me,You may not have hit the support button, but you supported me.which can clearly be observed by scrolling down from your initial post and clicking the "show replies" link.Well, I didn't actually say that you hit the support button.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

It doesn't. Just because you say it does doesn't make it true. :)I agree with this. I beleive it makes sense to provide evidence and or an argument which substantiates the claim. My argument does deal with validity, because someone could be looking directly at the truth and say that what's in front of them isn't the truth. By definition, something can't be both a truth and a non truth, so it doesn't follow that by simply making a statement means that the statement true.You may not have hit the support button, but you supported me.What about my arguments suggests that I supported you?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

I beleive it makes sense to provide evidence and or an argument which substantiates the claim.This is clearly a false statement because you never do.My argument does deal with validity, because someone could be looking directly at the truth and say that what's in front of them isn't the truth.And, still not making a point.By definition, something can't be both a truth and a non truth, so it doesn't follow that by simply making a statement means that the statement true.Still not directing anything towards validity.What about my arguments suggests that I supported you?I have already told you.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

va·lid·i·tyvəˈlidədē/nounthe quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency.How is it that my argument isn't directed towards that?If you can't see how it is, then the issue here is your incompetence .
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Because you haven't shown anything is not truth. All you have claimed is that me saying it isn't what makes it true. Technically, you haven't even actually challenged my statement.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

It isnt necessary to show you that your argument doesnt express a truth to prove that it isn't valid.Technically I'm challenging the validity of it. Your initial argument's current state is one of invalidity, because of the complete lack of evidence for the claim.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

It isnt necessary to show you that your argument doesnt express a truth to prove that it isn't valid.It is neccessary to actually claim that it might not be true.Technically I'm challenging the validity of it.Not really.Your initial argument's current state is one of invalidityThis is the first confirmed sighting of you making that claim. You are wrong, but I don't feel like proving it to you.because of the complete lack of evidence for the claim.False. Something is true regardless of the evidence presented for it. I have not provided enough evidence that I am right, but you can't use that to prove that I am wrong.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

A claim can still be true, while the reasoning for It is still invalid. If your claim lacks evidence or reasoning, then your response is invalid.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The reasoning being invalid does not invalidate the statement. Your second statement does not logically follow from the first statement. All you have done is shown that I haven't presented evidence.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

The reasoning being invalid does not invalidate the statement.Uh huh. That's what I said. Are you gonna just keep dodging the issue? Your second statement does not logically follow from the first statement.Yes it does. I like your debating style, so I'm trying it now.All you have done is shown that I haven't presented evidence.And for this situation , that equates to an invalid argument.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

So, you agree that reasoning being invalid does not invalidate a statement, yet you invalidate my statement because of bad reasoning. So, which part do you not actually agree with?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

I didn't invalidate your statement, nor was I trying to. What lead you to that conclusion? I pointed out why your reasoning is invalid.Reasoning invalid= Invalid argument. Invalid= Useless. Your argument is useless.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

You just asked me why I thought you did the thing you do right after asking me why I thought you do it.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

You said the opposite of that a few post ago .
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

I said that you do something that you don't think that you are doing while you were doing it last post and 2 posts ago. Those are not opposites.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

But it was after I said that you misinterpreted me and I pointed out what I really meant, but you still continued to respond to me with the same interpretation in mind.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

But, you admit that I don't misinterpret you.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

If you take into account the many times that you've agreed with me in the past, then you would realize the falsity of that statement.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Yep, 0% falsity.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

No.100% falsity.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The holiday seems to be more about giving, and receiving, gifts and being happy. I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for anyone to not celebrate it. It barely seems religious anymore.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Just because it "seems" barley religious still makes it religious. And that's not a true statement. Christmas is an extremely religious holiday because it's not only about giving and receiving but it's also about the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Look this up on google:Christmas is the Christian festival celebrating Christs birth in the churchPlus Christmas has the word Christ in it.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The very fact that Christmas has been secularized and commercialized is evidence of its waning religious affiliation. The fact that atheists do indeed celebrate Christmas is more evidence that it is not an entirely religious holiday anymore, despite the etymology of the name.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

I'm well aware of that. I never said it wasn't. We celebrate the birth of Jesus on Christmas. This debate is talking about Atheists. You do have to admit that Santa Claus gets more notoriety on Christmas that Jesus does.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Christmas Day is a national holiday. Maybe the "birth of Christ" aspect of it is only for Christians, but it's turned into a Hallmark holiday that is just a way for companies to make money.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

It may be religious for some, but for me it's just a holiday with family, food and a good time. That works for me.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Thats how I got my ps4 sooooooooooooooo.............................................................................. I suck at this
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Origin:  Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of  lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman  courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for  damaging property or injuring people during the week long celebration.Inheritance of Saturnalia: In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to  take the pagan masses in with it.The problem was that there was nothing  intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders  named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.Origins of Christmas Customs: 1>Origin of Christmas Tree:Pagans had long worshiped trees in the forest, or  brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was  adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church. 2>Origin of Mistletoe:The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a  later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial  cult.Conclusion:Many of the most popular Christmas customs – including Christmas trees,  mistletoe, Christmas presents, and Santa Claus – are modern incarnations of the most depraved pagan rituals ever practiced on earth.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

While your facts are probably accurate enough, they are terribly sketchy of the history of how Christmas became accepted among Christians even though it's pagan roots never have been a secret.You act like you are exposing big secrets....all you are doing is showing ignorance of history.I am fully aware of all your facts and the pagan roots of Christmas, yet I thoroughly enjoy the holiday (that's an abbreviation of holy day, a day set apart for the Lord) and the season which is an excellent tool for focusing on the Savior who is the Creator and took on human form to suffer in our place and provide a covering for our sins with His innocent blood. I will not have a Christmas tree or any reference to Santa Clause or any other pagan idol in my house, but still enjoy celebrating the message of the Christmas holiday. "Christ mass" is Catholic terminology and the whole Catholic dogma is pagan to the core, through and through, with false representations of Biblical characters and fraudulent representations of concepts to replace Biblical doctrine.....however, Christmas is the legally established name of the national holiday.Let the atheists celebrate Christmas as pagans, or even as nothing but atheists enjoying the generosity of the season... and they don't have to acknowledge in this world that Jesus Christ is Lord. They will say in Hell that He is Lord, but they don't have to say it here.Why is there such a desperate and concerted effort to mar or deny the story of God's declaration through the angel of the Lord saying "Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; e shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, .....................(space added for emphasis)..........Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.This is the message of Christmas and the Catholic/pagan roots can not blot out the message. It is because of the promotion of the message that real Christians outside of Catholic pagan fake Christianity embraced the holiday......and the events which popularized the celebration are quite remarkable and sadly ignored by this kind of cold hearted listing of facts which are designed as a slander against Jesus Christ.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

This Is Just My Personal Opinion and Though...It's not directly intended to Harm and hurt feeling and sentiments of Others.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Can you provide any example from a non-Christian source regarding roman laws allowing for harming one's person and property?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Well, technically it isn't a Christian holiday but yes, it does make sense. Because some people are born used to it and just do it for fun. Like me. I'm an Atheist but Christmas is fun! It's not even about God anymore anyway.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

It makes just as much sense as a Christian celebrating Halloween, a non-Irish-heritage person celebrating St Patrick's Day, and a non-Mexican-heritage person celebrating Cinco de Mayo.And actually what does not make sense, ever, is denying your kids part of a fun nationwide celebration date just because you're uptight and closed minded.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

1) It was a pagan holiday date before it was Christmas2) It has cultural value regardless of religious origin3) Apparently it pisses off you holy rollers, so heck yeah let's do it.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Yes, I love celebrating the birth of Bing Crosby and I enjoy ripping open all the presents I get.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

There are atheists who celebrate the secular side of Christmas. There are atheists who do exchange gifts during Christmas.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

There are two forms of modern day Christmas: "Christ-mass", the Christian religious celebration, and "X-Mass" (to use a joking term), the secular holiday formed around the winter solstice and Yule. Yule and the pagan celebration predate "Christmas", and the Germanic (see: Gaul) traditions regarding feasting and bringing in trees spread throughout much of Europe well before Christianity. These traditions are not inherently Christian, and thus one could take part in them without believing in "Christ-Mass".I would agree that would be weird if they were putting up pictures of Jesus or singing hymns, but I have yet to see an atheist do anything of the sort.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Of course it makes sense for atheists to celebrate Christmas. They don't have much time for celebrating anything so they might as well celebrate whatever they can while they can. They are on their way to a place where they will never celebrate anything ever again, so they might as well enjoy everything they can enjoy now. Who can blame them?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

I disagree, with your assessment. Mainly that you are comparing atheists to Stalin, a well known dictator responsible for the deaths of many. Atheists don't celebrate God/christ for they don't believe in him, but Christmas now days is a commercialized holiday that is more about gift giving and receiving than anything else AND like EVERY THING ELSE YOU CHRISTIANS DO .... you shove it down their throats with 27/7 Christmas specials. Why not get into the spirit of the holiday without being religious about it? HAH! the better question is why not. Who knows you might pick up that cute little red head down at the convince store... you know that one of the clubbed foot and crossed eyes?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Give Stalin a hug for me.....you can do that, right? You are the god of you can you can do whatever you want. You were so nasty with me before that I feel like puking when I see your name.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

This user hasn't been on in 78 days.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

You are nasty and dirty and I expect you to disagree with the truth....you think that by being dirty you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Too bad for you if you want to be full of yourself as you are.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

In Hell, if you don't get saved from it, you will disagree with God's assessment of your unworthiness of living.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Where the heck did you come up with all of that? Did he edit his argument because I see no reference to Stalin?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Yes he did. The original post said "It worked for stalin"
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

right after saying:Of course it makes sense for atheists to celebrate Christmas. They don't have much time for celebrating anything so they might as well celebrate whatever they can while they can.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Wow, it made you look crazy. What a jerk. He couldn't stand behind his ridiculous comments.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

it doesn't surprise me when you read stuff like this coming from him:"I'm glad you caught on to that. I wonder how many people actually saw that? A few have pointed it out. The idea here was for me to have fun making atheists and agnostics look foolish because that is what they are."3
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

The great thing is that he only proved he was foolish. He wonders how many people saw that and he was told by many people that they saw it. It is so ridiculous.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Honestly, I just assumed from the offset that Saintnow edited it out... I think most anyone who has engaged with them would.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

I couldn't think of a way for Stalin to be mentioned, so I was checking if Aspire misread the argument, or if it was carrying on from another argument.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Oh, I know. That was just meant to be a dig at Saintnow. ;)
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Excuse me? Do you realize that you do not have the right to live as a sinner?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

You seem like a perverted stalker when you respond to really old arguments without relating it to what I said at all.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Looks like you are not burning in Hell yet, that's good. Good you are still with us.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

So, you admit you like having me around.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

You are a pest, but I don't want you to be lost in Hell forever. I can be a pest too, my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven. I honestly enjoy everybody here, even if I have to be harsh telling them the truth.Really, I would be happier if you would ignore me than to just keep putting nonsense childish replies up. But I don't want you to burn in Hell. God loves you, and He wants nobody to burn in Hell.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

You are a pestYou stalk people and respond to 140 day old arguments with things that are unrelated. Talk about being a pest.but I don't want you to be lost in Hell forever.I am starting to believe that isn't true.I can be a pest too, Is that the first truthful thing you have ever said?my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven.I doubt it.I honestly enjoy everybody here, even if I have to be harsh telling them the truth.You constantly lie.Really, I would be happier if you would ignore me than to just keep putting nonsense childish replies up.If all I do is post childish replies and you don't want to see them then you wouldn't respond to incredibly old arguments.But I don't want you to burn in Hell.Am I supposed to believe this with all your lies?God loves you, and He wants nobody to burn in Hell.So, not the Christian God?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

I'm still glad you are with us....assuming you are with us, and hope you will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from Hell.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

No you don't. You hate people and hope we all go to hell. It is sad really.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

So where are you going? If you wake up in Hell, do you think that proves me to be evil? You don't know where you are going and don't care if I am telling you where you are going? Will you demand execution thinking it will prove you to be righteous?
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

No. You are evil for wanting me to wake up in Hell. I don't think you are God like you think you are, so you wouldn't be responsible for sending me to Hell.
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: No it doesnt

Ahhhhhh booo hooo, the evil man wants me to wake up in Hell and if I do, it's his fault and not minewahhhhh wshhhhh booo hooooo
Debate: Does it make sense if an athiets celebrates Christmas?
Side: Yes it does

Me: "so you wouldn't be responsible for sending me to Hell"You:"it's his fault and not mine"You can't read. How do you know that you are reading your Bible properly?