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Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Christ and our Heavenly father know each of us personally and know what choices we will make in this life.That does not mean that they 'force us' to make these decisionsFirst of all, I thought that God and Jesus were the same person. Secondly, if God knew the path you were to "choose" and created you for that reason, isn't it safe to assume that said choice is benign, seeing as he already planned your life and deviation from said path is not a deviation but the execution of his plan as it was meant to be. No the evil in the world is not part of our God's plan, but it is part of the devils plan.The devil himself is a creation of God, an omniscient creator has to have known before he created Lucifer how he would turn out, it is then safe to infer that God wanted to create evil and therefore is by definition. He created Lucifer as he did with everything else that exists. Besides that, look at the evidence, of which my favorite is Noah's flood, why would an omni-benevolent creator, kill so many living entities including innocent people, the elderly, the sick and retarded, children, not to mention all of the innocent animals that were obviously superfluous to requirement? We are here to learn and if we were forced into thinking or doing a certian thing we would never learnThis is my point exactly, In the light of God's creation of the universe, nothing is learned, achieved or discovered, everything that is to be known is known by God, he then trickle feeds man this knowledge, why? Disease cure and prevention, technology is it safe to assume that people in times before were not worthy of these things, bear in mind that people are less devoted to God now than they ever were, and it is those the least devoted that are leading the way by making lives last longer, making technology easier to use, trying to develop cleaner more environmentally safe fuels.Things such as abortion, war, cruelty are all tools of the devil, we must NOT confuse these cruel things with our creator and our God.Tools of the devil that were created by God, don't confuse the devil with a free thinking entity, for he can not be.We are responsible for ourselves.This I agree with, but can't see how the religious can.We are not predestened to do anything, it is our choice what we do with our lives.Now you are arguing against your own point.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Your assumption is wrong. And that is the core of your argument. It is your ill-informed opinion. Omniscience doesn't translate into a pre-destination the path and choices we make our specifically ours to choose. God knows what we are going to do, this does not mean that He chose it for us.My assumption is not wrong, it is perfectly valid. And my opinion is far from ill-informed. Here is the crux, you can't deduce this because you can't see the contradiction even in your own words. I'll not labor the point of the contradiction as you'll say it's just arbitrary and refuse to dispute it.God made the world perfect, but Adam rebelled and failed the very first test. And God knew that he would that is why His plan was already designed.God made the world perfect. then why not make man perfect? He designed man with the flaws this is your argument that free will can exist. Really? I'll not copy over your biblical copy/paste, but I'll ask this, this is meant to do what? Prove that God doesn't interfere? Surely in is evidence that he does.That's false, it's because God created us that we have logic and knowledge. In a "random chance" universe logic and order wouldn't exist. Unless you propose some unknown and impossible mechanism for this? Perhaps some arbitrary statements are to be expected from you. No, it's through experience that we have logic and knowledge. From where are you gleaming random chance, I didn't mention this, and this is a straw man. But seeing as you mention it, God is an unknown and impossible entity, one that is unproved, to use that as an explanation for anything is to say I really don't care about the answer and I'll not go in search of it. Also keep your assumptions to yourself mate, if my arguments seem arbitrary to you, it's because you are incapable of recognizing their significance.Satan does have free will that is why he rebelled. He was the most powerful of the angels, but he let his arrogance lead to him being the most evil of all entities.So, God creates Satan knowing he will one day turn, God also creates man knowing he will one day turn, God uses Lucifer to go and entice his flawed creation to go against him, he then punishes his creation for succumbing to the designed flaw, he then goes and demands his creation love him but doesn't even give them all the capacity or facility to even know him, he is then not happy with the way it all turned out so he kills them all bar a tiny chosen few, the few that then go and create the entire human race and still humans come out bad and it is there own fault. You expect people to buy that, people that are free of Christian mind policing that can actually see basic logical contradictions. If I asked you to believe that about a different set of names, you'd laugh in my face.Religious laws is what all ethics and morals are based on.No they're not, there is plenty of evidence to show that morality is an evolved form of reciprocal altruism. You really are struggling to grasp this simple concept aren't you?What simple concept? You expect me to call contradiction logic, sorry I'm not a Christian anymore.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

How do you reconcile these two beliefs that you hold:(1) God knows what choices we will make in the future, and(2) We can freely make choices and our lives are not predestined?Let me explain what's odd about it. There is a glass of water in front of me. Maybe I will drink it, maybe I will leave it alone. God knows that I'm going to drink the water. Then do I still have the choice to not drink the water?If I decided not to drink the water, then God's knowledge would be wrong, which is impossible as God is omniscient. So it seems that the only thing I can do is decide to drink the water.If God knew that I was not going to drink the water, the same situation would occur in reverse - I wouldn't be able to choose to drink it.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.In my country (UK) we got something called "Freedom of Speech".
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Why did I get downvoted? In the UK we really got Freedom of Speech!
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

You "have" freedom of speech. You don't got it. Maybe that's why people are laughing at you?I was under the impression that people in the UK spoke proper English.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

LOL. Still laughing at that...---------------------------------------
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Because people here are hateful and the devil is working in them.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

"the devil is working in them."XD You actually believe the devil exists? The one that the church made up to begin with? Wow.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

the devil represents symbolically death. He represents evil and what is dead. He lives in the earth, he shouts in our hears trying to bring us to be one with him and earth.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

"the devil represents symbolically death. He represents evil and what is dead. He lives in the earth, he shouts in our hears trying to bring us to be one with him and earth."XD I pity your outdated beliefs.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

If you have read the word of God you would know that the word of God is never out dated. It is the same as it is today, to the beginning of creation forevermore. 1Peter 24-25 All men are like grass and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers, the flowers fall, but the word of the lord stands forever.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

"If you have read the word of God you would know that the word of God is never out dated. It is the same as it is today, to the beginning of creation forevermore."Whatever helps you sleep at night."1Peter 24-25 All men are like grass and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers, the flowers fall, but the word of the lord stands forever."Very outdated.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Because people here are hateful and the devil is working in them.I agree. In addition, most of people here are fags except some like Cuntyguy, you etc...
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

In my country (UK) we got something called "Freedom of Speech".As usual you are not getting the point. This is not about a Christians or anyone else's rights by law, it is about the apparent contradiction of Christian teaching.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

As usual you are not getting the point. This is not about a Christians or anyone else's rights by law, it is about the apparent contradiction of Christian teaching.No, it's saying that Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

No, it's saying that Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.That is a baited tag line, the premise is explained in the header to this debate.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

it is about the apparent contradiction of Christian teaching.What contradiction do you have in mind here (specifically)? Give an example to us. Or is this more of your arbitration?
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

i love it man in fact its hilarious and true people in america not only try to stop freedom of speach but also they often take advantage of our rights
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Your argument is completely and utterly fooked up, man. Christians believe that God gives and takes life, therefore any man who attempts to take life is going against an important commandment and also pressing a button that only God has the right to press. Abortion is not about God taking life, it is about man taking life, therefore Christians who campaign against such an act are in no way disobeying God, they are doing quite the opposite; "campaigning" for what is right - they are obeying God.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Your argument is completely and utterly fooked up, man.No, it is not, the argument is valid and logical.Christians believe that God gives and takes life, therefore any man who attempts to take life is going against an important commandment and also pressing a button that only God has the right to pressIf this is so, then God is not all powerful, plus he is not all knowing, God when making a person supposedly plans out every minute detail of their lives, this would include the Doctor carrying out the procedure, the mother going through the procedure and the unborn that is to be terminated. If your argument is true this would mean that God did not know this would happen and is therefore blind to the future, this would then make all prophecies made from God via prophets just mere guesses, which it seems they are. When a Christian is killed, by any means they rationalize it by stating that it was the persons time to go (God's plan), if a Christian avoids death then they rationalize it by saying that it was not yet their time. By Christian beliefs every life is sacred (and that includes developing embryos) and only God knows the time of your demise, if this is true then God wishes abortions to happen as to not would deviate from the plan of an omnipotent omniscient creator, this is impossible. Christians who campaign against such an act are in no way disobeying God, they are doing quite the opposite; "campaigning" for what is right - they are obeying God. This is true, in the sense that their church teaches blind faith and adherence, a blind faith that requires the suspension of logic, for if you follow the teachings to any form of logical conclusion then you would see that if God possesses the powers attributed to him via the ancient texts then the texts themselves are wrong as they teach of free will, and if the texts are wrong then why follow it, as to so or not is both in violation of Gods will if you wish to remain faithful.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Hmmmm... Guess God wouldnt put some people on a course to protest this immoral action?
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

I am not debating with you any longer; someone who takes my statements away from valid points that I make clearly has no wish to debate but to bicker. Futhermore, your theories and conclusions are just as ludacris as before, and you cannot even answer the points that I make. Instead, you take a statement, which is only the end of an explanation, and dispute it with a petty statement you have already made and that I have proved wrong. You deliberately misread my points and take them out of context, which is seen as a major flaw in debating. If I continue, we will only be wasting our time. Lastly, I do not appreciate atheists telling me that I do not obey God or that I am living in violation of God's word; its a chidlish attempt at offence and to be honest, I'd rather debate with someone who has a genuine interest in the debate as opposed to insulting and not following the rules of debate.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

I am not debating with you any longer;Oh no!someone who takes my statements away from valid points that I make clearly has no wish to debate but to bicker.Sorry mate but there is no valid points, I do wish to debate as I always do.Futhermore, your theories and conclusions are just as ludacris as before, and you cannot even answer the points that I make.I've answered all of your points, you've yet to provide me with an explanation of how omniscience does not preclude free will as you have seen, I've made it clear how it does and all you've stated is that free will exists so therefore it is fact that God granted us the power to change an un changeable plan.Instead, you take a statement, which is only the end of an explanation, and dispute it with a petty statement you have already made and that I have proved wrong.You my friend have proved nothing except your inability. I only copy over what I believe to be enough of your statement to get my point across as some of these posts get too long. The reason I've repeated myself is because you are, so I've tried to rephrase what you don't seem to get in the vain attempt to get through to you. If I continue, we will only be wasting our time.You can turn tail and run, it's fine by meLastly, I do not appreciate atheists telling me that I do not obey God or that I am living in violation of God's word;I don't care what you appreciate, if you can't see the logic in my arguments then that's fine. If you want to take from this that I think these things of you, then that is up to you.its a chidlish attempt at offence and to be honest, I'd rather debate with someone who has a genuine interest in the debate as opposed to insulting and not following the rules of debate.If you say so, there is no offense intended, if you've taken some then I'd assume that, that is because you can't explain the contradictions and are getting defensive as most theists do.I've a very genuine interest in debate, but you my friend are a hypocrite, you've basically told me that I've taken all your arguments out of context, and that your explanations are right and mine are wrong, and you have the audacity to accuse me of not following the "rules" of debate, give me a break, stop being a coward and come out fighting, I respect any theist that does this and I've debated with quite a few on here, ones that'd make your head spin with their level of knowledge.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

They do, indeed, have the right. to say otherwise is totalitarian. Let them speak. And let us make up our minds whether or not to listen. Simple.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

I thought that you would get the point of this debate. .
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Oops. It would appear that I read and responded very hastily. My apologies.I'll be keeping my tag the same though. Hopefully this response will be more relevant to the debate at hand.Your premise is perfectly logical. Additionally you could use the same reasoning to ask why murder is a sin or should be punishable, which would would cut right to the heart of the debate.The flaw in your premise is that it doesn't account for free will, which Christians place emphasis on. They pretty much have to put free will in the equation for Christianity to make any sense at all.Exactly what the relationship between God's plan and free will is varies from sect to sect and among individuals. But I do know of at least one explanation that I can accept:Sin is not a part of God's plan. It is a result of our free will. What God planned can be made undone when we give in to our wicked sides. That is why sin is such a big deal. Murder is a sin, therefore it changes God's plans. Therefore "good Christians" should stand against it. And they believe that abortion is murder, so they stand against it for the same reason.So, I guess what I'm saying is, I believe that some Christians would be able to adequately defend against your argument.Whether or not these are the same Christians that actually are campaigning against abortion, I do not claim to know.Man, playing Devil's advocate for Christians is exhausting.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Your premise is perfectly logical. Additionally you could use the same reasoning to ask why murder is a sin or should be punishable, which would would cut right to the heart of the debate.I could have, and have tried in the past, but nothing gets Christian blood flowing better than the topic of abortion. I was getting annoyed at the lack of responses from other debates so I disguised the debate a sort of "contradictions of dogma in abortions clothes" type thing, and it worked, this is the most popular debate that I've set up here, and I've been here a while.Sin is not a part of God's plan. It is a result of our free will. What God planned can be made undone when we give in to our wicked sides. That is why sin is such a big deal. Murder is a sin, therefore it changes God's plans. Therefore "good Christians" should stand against it. And they believe that abortion is murder, so they stand against it for the same reason.If God's plan can be undone by the actions of man then the powers attributed to him are false, omniscience precludes free will, and if God is omniscient he knew before he set these actions in motion how they would play out, it is he that supposedly created each individual, and Satan for that matter. If before beginning when there was only God he would have known that one day he would create Satan and he would also create man, he would also know how it would play out, it is in his omnipotence that he created us and in his omniscience that he foresaw it all.Man, playing Devil's advocate for Christians is exhausting.Kind of amusing playing "devils" advocate for Christians. It's not something that I'd like to try though.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Part of me is inclined to dispute further, I just don't know how. "Kind of amusing playing "devils" advocate for Christians. It's not something that I'd like to try though."yeah, I don't know that I'd recommend it.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Why did this get downvoted? .
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Then it is the same as saying people have no right to be alive.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

I think more non-Christians should be campaigning against abortion. Religion aside, it's morally stupid.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Seeing as abortion is murder, I think anybody campaigning against murder is doing the right thing.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

First of all abortion before a certain time cannot be classed as murder, secondly, you don't seem to be getting the point of this debate. I'm trying to highlight an important contradiction. The only way around here is to court controversy and abortion is a really hot topic especially where Christians are concerned.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

Actually it CAN be classed as murder. It's not. But sometime in the future the definition could change.I understand your point. It's just stupid. There are several standard replies a Christian can give1. They're doing God's work and undoing the devil's work.2. Their campaigns are also part of God's plan.3. Campaigning against abortion (a form of murder) is a test of their faith.You're not highlighting any contradictions. You're making a weak and pathetic assumption. That's why I didn't give a serious reply, because it was a waste of my time. Fucking cunt.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

And again you continue to suck cock by downvoting me without an argument---------------------------------------
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Should STFU

Fist of all I didn't down vote you, I don't do that, I don't see the point.Secondly the premise explains everything, it is something that you obviously don't understand, so I'll not labor the point here, read some of my other disputes to people that take the time to type some thought out points instead of vomiting illogical spew all over the place.You're not highlighting any contradictions. You're making a weak and pathetic assumption. That's why I didn't give a serious reply, because it was a waste of my time. Fucking cunt.I've made no assumptions, and if you think they are weak and pathetic I'd like to hear your explanations, but I assume that you have none, if you did then you'd post them instead of trying in vain to be insulting over the Internet, which is in itself pathetic, "oh cuntguy called me a fucking cunt, whatever will I do?"
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

You're right. You are a cunt.And I did post a reply. I'm not a Christian but I gave you a Christian's response. That's how stupid and pointless this debate is... that I'm actually arguing for a side I don't believe in.
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

I'm not Christian but the majority of my friends are and they are against abortion and I am too!
Debate: Christians should stop campaigning against abortion.
Side: Have every right.

How can anyone who is pro choice want to exclude someone of practicing their own beliefs. Abortion being right or wrong isnt the question, its if christians should stop campaigning against it. No one should stop campaigning against anything they think is unjust reguardless of how I feel about the issue.