azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

No one has a voice in democracy, republics, or "people's" goverment, just ask the citizens of the North Korea Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the People's republic of china, the Lao People's Democratic Republic... "what is in a name, is a rose by any other name? That which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet."Robjohn, apparently democracy has nothing to do with voting or does the above quote hold? I suppose if we call poop a rose and a rose poop they would take on each other's smell... The same as north Korea is a republic eh?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

How the hell am I going to ask former communists if a communist society hasn't even existed? That no freedom thing is a complete LIE! North Korea is not communist!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

In a communist system you have no choices. You work for someone els, you become what someone els wants you to be you cant choose what if any god you want to believe in unless its in secret. You live your life for "The common good" but it doesn't make anyone happy it makes all men slaves with no voice. Capitalism is the greatest idea thought up my man and only in this system can your true human potential and good be achieved.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Anarchy and communism are two sides too the same coin, other then some administrative functionality the state withers away and every one has control over their own productive capability. They main difference between a communist and anarchist are how to get to this communist or anarchistic state, one wants a intermediate socialist state(possibly top down, possibly not) while the other wants a bottom up, smaller scale immediate result. If you actually read the various theories instead of buy into the unfounded propaganda made during the cold war you'll have a better understanding.Also, capitalism without limits leads to vast income inequality, to the point where most of the population has just enough to survive, perhaps to also supply a family. Consider the times and places where capitalism has faced little regulation.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

" Consider the times and places where capitalism has faced little regulation"Ya, like right now in the developed world i.e. "A study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research at United Nations University reports that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total. The bottom half of the world adult population owned 1% of global wealth.[10] Moreover, another study found that the richest 2% own more than half of global household assets.[11]"Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

You work for someone else? Ever heard of this thing called collective rule? Do you know that is why we become communists? To end classes and to overthrow the Bourgeoisie ?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

As you know, V.I.Lenin is "a grandfather of Russian Revolution and communism". But do you know this historically proved fact that Lenin when he was dieing, said that capitalism is a the best system world ever knew. You can argue, you can say that he was too old and ill to think and talk clearly. But ,another fact is New Economical Politics that took place in 1921 to improve country's tough economical situation. So, what was Lenin's action to make stability in USSR, to get out from crisis? He began to use commercial or capitalistic methods in economics! This politics existed for seven years and had a great consequences in people's life. So, although Lenin's ideology was communism, he used capitalistic manners in his practise. And, by the way "Stell from the rich and give 2 the poor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is a crime, isn't it?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Yep, take everyone's money, give it to the government and let them decide how to redistribute it. That's what Obama wants. If you like that idea, and mostly if your African American....keep voting
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Well stealing's wrong and the poor are poor because the don't work. So the workers get punished for working and the lazy steal money from them. Its wrong. And at least capitalism allows freedom.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Well stealing's wrong and the poor are poor because the don't work.Right, because poor people just sit around all day, content to suffer until they day they die since it's so much easier then not starving to death as a result of looking for at least a simple job...The fact that you think the poor are poor because they don't work makes you a pseudo-Nazi.There is not a single poor and/or homeless person in existence that is lazy. Do you think it's possible for somebody to be so lazy that they just let themselves become poor? How much of a fucking idiot are you? Nobody weighs the choices of work and starvation chooses to starve! This does not require critical thinking!The government has acknowledged this fact for nearly an entire century now, because their culmination of intelligence over an entire century has apparently be at least 100% smarter then your obvious banana-brain.The poor do not steal from anyone; they reclaim through the government what was taken from them. The only flaw in this is that when the government uses tax dollars from the Middle Class to pay the poor... they cannot pay back the Middle Class. This is because: 1. There is an entire political party bent on helping the rich, the only people in this country who don't need help, by letting them pay almost 0% of the country's taxes, taxes that the government could give back to the Middle Class in return for paying the poor and 2. The rich are rich... they have the most power in the country, so it doesn't matter how many entitlements you give to the poor if the rich continue to stop deciding to hire the poor just because they don't want to possibly loose some of that money they will never use... Therefore, the poor, despite help from the Middle Class, will never have a chance to join the Middle Class because the rich won't hire them out of greed and selfishness!As you can see by that previous flow, you are full of shit. Go move to South America with all the other German war criminals, you pseudo-Nazi. The only money being stolen from anybody is the money that the Upper Class stole from the Middle Class which created the Lower Class.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Wow, you could have at least came out swinging by saying "most" or "some" of the poor. Well since you didn't, I will have to say you are the idiot. Of course most people who are poor in the U.S.A like it. Why not, for the majority of them, they have cell phones, cars, cable T.V. and free health care. For the ones that roam the cold dark streets, they choose that life smoking crack under the bridge and don't give a rats a$$ if that life ever ends. You need to take a hard look at the rest of the world when you say poor or poverty. The united states had a .00000001% poverty when compared to the rest of the world. People in Africa are literally starving to death by the thousands each day with no food, shelter or support. "poor" people in the U.S. Are literally living without Days of our Lives and X box by the hundreds. Really?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

How often do you see Americans in a mile long line trying to get a loaf of bread or a 80 pound man and his starving family surrounded by flys sitting on a street corner dying left and right. You don't, those are poor people. People in America that are "poor" have iPhones and 4000 calorie a day diets. The truly poor are very far and between and have chosen that life from drug, life style or don't care about it. The bottom 40% of all Americans don't pay any taxes. The top 40% of Americans pay 60% of taxes. We live in an entitlement nation. Gimme gimme gimme. "you have more than me, so give me yours" mentality. So sad!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

How often do you see Americans in a mile long line trying to get a loaf of bread or a 80 pound man and his starving family surrounded by flys sitting on a street corner dying left and right.If our government weren't smarter then you in giving our poor entitlements, our poor would be this bad off, fool. Are you trying to advocate our poor being as bad off as the poor of other countries? So we can't help the world means we shouldn't help our neighbors?People in America that are "poor" have iPhones and 4000 calorie a day diets.No they don't you fucking idiot. The poor in this country survive without homes or only with dilapidated homes. The eat only what they can find in the garbage, what is given to them by donation organizations (usually religious ones), and what they can purchase with food stamps.You advocate me using semantics about the word 'poor' when you have no idea what being 'poor' in America is yourself.The truly poor are very far and between and have chosen that life from drug, life style or don't care about it.Nobody chooses to suffer, even if they are mentally ill. You're just as retarded as monkeyboy for this statement alone. You have no credibility.The bottom 40% of all Americans don't pay any taxes. The top 40% of Americans pay 60% of taxesThe bottom 40% pays about 6.6% of our country's taxes, since they cannot afford food or to hold onto their dilapidated home if they pay more taxes then that. The middle 39% of Americans pay 60% of taxes, and the top 1% pays no taxes because they bribe both Republican and Democrat Congress to make sure they can horde their endless wallets.We live in an entitlement nation. Gimme gimme gimme. "you have more than me, so give me yours" mentality.Considering all the poor in the world, including this country, are poor because they were born into it due to their families having all their money stolen from them by the rich, there's nothing wrong with this mentality.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Wow, you could have at least came out swinging by saying "most" or "some" of the poor. Well since you didn't, I will have to say you are the idiot.I could have, except monkeyboy is complete moron and I didn't need to use semantics to dispute him properly.Of course most people who are poor in the U.S.A like it. Why not, for the majority of them, they have cell phones, cars, cable T.V. and free health care.To have all these things, except perhaps the free healthcare, puts you in the Middle class, fool. Nobody with all those things is impoverished. The very nature of being impoverished is to have so little money that living is nigh impossible to be comfortable.For the ones that roam the cold dark streets, they choose that life smoking crack under the bridge and don't give a rats a$$ if that life ever ends.Have you ever been impoverished? No. So you don't get to choose why they do anything. Every human in existence does something for some reason that relates to the quality of their lifestyle. Assuming that homeless drug addicts choose to be drug addicts because they didn't think it would help them not suffer is pure maliciousness.You are a malicious human being. Oh, but who cares! You have more money then the poor, and therefore you are comfortable enough to not care about how good a person you are!People in Africa are literally starving to death by the thousands each day with no food, shelter or support. "poor" people in the U.S. Are literally living without Days of our Lives and X box by the hundreds. Really?People in Africa would be able to be somewhat as comfortable as the poor and extremely poor in this country if international corporate tycoons didn't steal everything from them. Africa, since the beginning of it's discovery by the rest of the world, has been pretty much had all of it's resources economically sucked out of it to the point that most of it is barely past the Stone Ages.You wanna know why people were able to fuck it up so badly?Corporatism.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

" poor are poor because the don't work"Is this some kind a bad joke or are you actually serious?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

He's serious. I see these people all the time.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: democracy

" poor are poor because the don't work" >> The conservative/fascist manifesto.Kim Kardashian doesn't work, she's not poor!!!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

He is serious. I feel bad that so many people hate the poor.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

1.Stealing is not necessarily wrong.2. in capitalism, not all are free to work3. Workers are not punished, you have demonstrated lack of knowledge of communism.4. How does Capitalism allow freedom in any way that communism does not?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Equal chance. People compete on merit and not their crude way of figuring out how to make more money. It's more human.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Neither

You can't have either in their pure form. Communism (socialism in its purest form) does not work for the obvious reasons and ends in poverty. A laissez-faire economy is just as dangerous as communism though. Human beings are a greedy species and therefore must be governed through a series of checks and balances, like the U.S. government. In terms of the economy, these are regulations. Without regulations, corporations are free to do whatever they see fit in order to maximize profits such as: outsourcing or firing mass employees and putting the responsibilities left on those that they allow so graciously to remain (as we have seen recently with the loosening of regulations). Therefore, the only good economy is a delicate balance between socialism and capitalism, not unlike what existed in the 1950's.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Update: Look at my other reply. I forgot I already replied here so look at my newest one.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

There is a reason Communism has been tried many times, and each of these countries became "third world countries." If you look back in history, many countries, such as Russia as one example, have become absolute shit due to communism. No matter how hard we try, communism can't be achieved; making it impossible to be better than capitalism. I mean, if there was one million dollars on a table, you were a police officer(equivalent to being a Government officer in those countries,) and you had the choice between sharing the money or not, you wouldn't would you? Well that's what eventually happens in those countries. History has shown time and time again that communism doesn't work, and no matter how many times we try, it really won't become better than capitalism- "survival of the fittest, the way nature was intended"
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Communism is better but not the type you are talking about. Your talking about the dictator type, and though I love the Soviet flag, I'm not really for the Stalinist type Communism. I lean more towered the core of true Communism. If your for true Communism like I am. That puts you like one step up from being a complete anarchist. I still think we need laws, and some form of control, so that's what separates me from being an anarchist.Update: Forgot I already replied to this topic. There is no delete option.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

I have always been a bit argumentative regarding this cuz I admire the communistic ideals and I appreciate their thought process. I do not condemn Capitalism either cuz a lot of country's success relies on it. But, a communistic attitude for various things is essential today. Especially in mine. Capitalism as of a matter must be used appropriately which lacks in certain areas. Mixed economy as it is said is the Best of all is one of the ways to tackle capitalism.Hence, I believe that a communist attitude is required.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Well Communism does not have freedom. And The government ,which owns the market in Communism always fails. Just look at history. And capitalism has freedom and that makes risk which makes people choose things more carefully.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Just look at history? That is impossible, since no human civilization has ever been communist in the history of the world. Communism is simply too perfect for it to have been implemented in it's truest form in the past. Forget everything you know about communism. The Soviet Union was never communist, China was never communist, Ancient Egypt and Rome were never communist. Karl Marx is probably the most misunderstood historical figure ever recorded. Stop pissing on yourself by assuming that you know anything about communism when apparently you don't; if you think history is an example of communism, you are utterly wrong.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

"That is impossible, since no human civilization has ever been communist in the history of the world. Communism is simply too perfect for it to have been implemented in it's truest form in the past. "This is completely true, and its a fact that escapes people far smarter than monkeyboy142 (e.g. PrayerFails)."The Soviet Union was never communist,"I agree completely, even in its early days under lennin it was never remotely communist, but most people who demonize it either don't know this or chose not to except it.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Well Communism does not have freedom. N how has freedom benefited us?And The government ,which owns the market in Communism always failsThat is because communism hasn't been practiced in it's actual sense!And capitalism has freedom and that makes risk which makes people choose things more carefully. Yeah.. The risk process manages to help a few and leaves the rest unattended! Capitalism is mere money making and that cannot run the World.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

I wasn't sure which side to post this, but in the end you have to wonder if this argument even works? Communism is a form of government, wither it's good or bad is in the eyes of the person doing the talking. Capitalism is a form of market system, which is really just about the root of all problems going on right now, since the way capitalism is being allowed to run nothing good is coming from it. Innovation, Freedom, peoples right to live are all being destroyed because a few think the have a "Right" to billions of dollars.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Communism

No, communism is an economic system, however it is often associated with totalitarianism and dictatorship.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

a mix of both capitalism and communism is better. this would keep the country without much a class and in one single one
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

i believe in social power and equality. Capitalism is good for the rich, but what about the millions of poor people in places like America, Russia and Mexico.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Capitalism is based on distributing pleasure (wealth) by ability in business. Ability in business is not a valid way to determine those best suited to experience pleasure. By equalizing the pleasure (wealth) of all people, we value all conscious sensations rather than just those experienced by those who are lucky.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

FUCK ALL YOU COMMUNISTS. GO MOVE TO CHINA. Oh, WAIT, probably impossible to move there considering it strict immigration policy.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

China isn't comunist, in fact it never really was in the stricitest sense of the word, but it definitely isn't now with its large private sector, market based economy, and its open border policy with regard to FDI and trade. China has been slowly implementing reforms for decades that have made their system more capitalsit than communist, albeit an authoritarian capitalist system. China today is at best a semi-capitalist/semi-communist society, and thats being generous to what little communist ideals have survived in the countries political system.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

China doesn't have a private sector. Everything is either owned or controlled by the National Government. If anything they are Fascists and Communists, just siblings from the same collectivist family of tyranny.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

China isn't comunist, in fact it never really was in the stricitest sense of the word, but it definitely isn't now with its large private sector, market based economy, and its open border policy with regard to FDI and trade. Really, China isn't communist. Then, why is the ruling party the Communist Party? Is it because it makes them feel good? Maybe, they are just stupid and confused.The Communist Party, though allowing some economic movements in response to market forces, still maintains ultimate authority over virtually all economic decision-making. The state-controlled financial sector often allocates credit based on political criteria, undermining economic efficiency and productivity. Beyond sporadic attempts to facilitate nominal openness to foreign investment or to imply currency market liberalization, recent years have seen the virtual cessation of economic reform and an absence of political will to undertake more fundamental restructuring. Heritage
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

"Really, China isn't communist"NO."Then, why is the ruling party the Communist Party?"Becuse that is what the ruling party calls themselves."Is it because it makes them feel good? "No, its because it justfiies the control of the state has over the country as a whole, its economy etc."Maybe, they are just stupid and confused."No i think this is possibly the mostly unlikely reason of all actually."The Communist Party, though allowing some economic movements in response to market forces, still maintains ultimate authority over virtually all economic decision-making. "Not all but i will conceed you you're not too far off the mark on this assertion, i still don't understand how this disproves anything ive previously stated about China and how they are not a communist country.