azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

"the people. people will realize that they need their sewage gone, a bridge over a river for transportation, and schools for education. once realized, people will work together to create these things."Let me start off by saying, you should try to spell and type more grammatically correct, it adds a level of intelligence to your written argument that can't be gotten any other way.As to the topic of the argument, what your talking about ends in government! You say people will realize the need for certain things, and knowing that no single person can fund it, and that everyone will use it, they should pool their own money in order to get it done. Someone or some group would be in charge of collecting the money correct? Of course they would not have their labor and time go for free right? So you would pay them a small fee for collecting the money and spending it on what the town agreed upon right? it would be a majority rules situation, and if you didn't agree you wouldn't have to pay for it right? Now what the keep you from not paying and still utilizing the benefits of others spending? Absolutely nothing right? So the people would want it to be mandatory that you pay, but it wouldn't be a set amount it would just be a percentage based on how much you made right? That's called government and the democratic system... I'm not sure if you understand that the government was purposed for doing just what you are talking about! If these clusters of people created and ran their own government, who would pay for national security? Satellites, interstates, because no one town would foot the bill it would be a collective effort, and you would want some group to manage that, correct? The fact is I don't think you thought this out well enough, go do some more research.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

wow amazing how people turn non government arguments into government ones. your just one of the other clueless people i debate about government, and your whole u need research attack at the end has be used. ill start off plainly, you like the rest, are wrong.if people wanted a company to pay for services they would. the people not paying would not receive the services. simple enough? and no we would not want it to be mandatory, that is forced payment for services called taxation which i am fighting against. if a person did not pay for something, he simple does not enjoy the fruitation it brings. so after responding to your first part of the argument proving you wrong and me again, for the hundredth time restating my view on the matter. i see no need to continue refuting the rest of your argument because again, it has to do with people being forced to pay for services, which again i will say once more. libertarians and me disagree with.so please. try not to confuse my argument with yours. it makes you look retarded and you add words to my mouth i did not say that i have to waste time fixing so other sheeple don't get confused when they read these arguments.and no the government was not purposed for what i am talking about. the government is ruled by a few thousand for the millions (causing unfair representation) taxation (legalized theft) and a all or nothing set up when it comes to voting on anything (a very elementary tactic used so that the sheeple of America don't have to hurt their heads about politics so the big cats can run things they way they want with out interference) no, this government was not set up at all for my beliefs, which is why, i am a libertarian.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

"wow amazing how people turn non government arguments into government ones. your just one of the other clueless people i debate about government, and your whole u need research attack at the end has be used. ill start off plainly, you like the rest, are wrong."It's amazing how people turn a conversation debating the legality of taxation into a non government one... Also government and non government go hand in hand."if people wanted a company to pay for services they would. the people not paying would not receive the services. simple enough? and no we would not want it to be mandatory, that is forced payment for services called taxation which i am fighting against. if a person did not pay for something, he simple does not enjoy the fruitation it brings."How is it possible not the recieve the service of a road build outside of your house? Or the protection from an army stationed on your coast? How would you stop companies from burning chemicals into the air? These are the question you need to answer, as well as the ones you choose not to in my last post."so after responding to your first part of the argument proving you wrong and me again, for the hundredth time restating my view on the matter."So you admit you are stating your own view, and this view does not reflect the opinion of the average man. Maybe you should stop restating it and start listening to everyone elses. i see no need to continue refuting the rest of your argument because again, it has to do with people being forced to pay for services, which again i will say once more. libertarians and me disagree with.The simplist solution to go somewhere with no government, because the majority rules here, we are organized and happy with it, because it is the best way to advance and achieve prosperity.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Infrastructure is buildings and roads....................................................
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

and again, why do we need a government to do this? don't you think, if we needed a road we would contact a city builder to construct it for us?think people. its not that hard
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

But who has that much free time to plan that stuff out. We pay taxes so they can take care of it for us. If we didn't pay taxes, then who would pay for the road being built. Either way, we would have to pay in some form, whether it be walking door-to-door or paying taxes.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Isn't this meant to be a debate and not a platform for your ranting? Get a blog.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

yes it is a debate. and just because i destroyed your earlier argument does not mean you have a right to post some retarded rebuttal. and as for a platform of rating, who put the pointless statement and received a point for it? you, so you need to get a blog. and next time, put purpose into it, so we have a debate.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Everything you're saying has at one time been attempted and every time it has been tried it has failed. There is a reason why essential services are run by the government, so that everybody has access to the essentials regardless of ability to pay.In regards to mob justice, well.....mob justice is an oxymoron. Many innocent people are killed by mobs, because there is no due process of law with mob justice. Say goodbye to "innocent until proven guilty" that won't exist either. There is such a thing as privatized police chief, he's called a warlord.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

again read my other argument about taxation being theft.as for essential services. if they are so essential don't you think if there was not a unjust over lord government to carry them out wouldn't people find other ways of fulling them, thats what people did till government was created.as for the whole warlord remark. thats like me saying there is such a thing as government its called totalitarianism.there are multiple ways of getting a service. a warlord is a negative way of getting one and a warlord imposes government, something libertarians would not support or allow. so there for something people who are against government would not let happen.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

A couple of problems with this.1. People who can't afford essential services, won't have them.2. Your argument, assumes that corporations have our best interests at heart.The only way we can trust corporations is because the government regulates them, and the only way we can trust the government is because we can vote out whoever we don't like. Private businessmen WILL take advantage of you if they can.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

i will answer the bottom paragraph first. private business. just because there is no government does not mean there is no law. libertarians believe in one crime only. stopping some one from utilizing their freedoms.that means slavery, assault, theft. and stuff like that is illegal. that a side we can dig deeper into the subject.the majority of industry live off government at this time, why? because the government is there to bail them out or take over when the going gets tough. most commonly the banking system. but if commerce stopped answering to government and had to answer to the people, industry would not get away with crimes and things of that such.if a factory charges out raucous prices for a good, then in response the workers will stop working or a other business, such as a farmer will not sell food to the factory owner. hence we have a battle of the resources. aka capitalism. over time the factory owner will give up his plan to suck the people dry when he runs dry off his one necessities.libertarianism is not going to be a world time thing, to many people will try to abuse the system of free marketing anarchy, while there are many things to hinder most people from crime, there will be that one person to try and ruin it all. the response to such a thing would of course be banishment or some sort of punishment such as working for the ones he hurt till their debt is paid off. because as i said earlier. libertarians still have a law that would be in forced by a privatized police force. meaning the people pay for the police directly and not indirectly to government who over charges them and partakes in robbery.as for the top part where you say people will not be able to afford essential services. you are right. but just because taxation is gone does not mean people will not help the needy. Africa is mainly supported by charities, which are private owned pubic services paid by people who care. the poor for a time if lucky will have to live off these services till they get better. the best way to help a poor man is to not make being poor easy (wellfare and etc) but to help them get out of poverty easier. once the poor realize they don't have a free ride they will find jobs and such. the less fortunate will have to migrate to other places and find other out lets.because, why should a person be forced to pay for a poor man when he became rich him self by working his ass off to get there to just be told. now that your middle class or higher. you gotta help the poor and if you don't, you'll be facing imprisonment or worse. i mean if a charity walked into your room and told you that if you don't pay you'll go to jail, we would consider it robbery.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

and again, why do we need a government to do this? don't you think, if we needed a road we would contact a city builder to construct it for us? think people. its not that hardWho is we? You and who else? Who has organized the collection of money (we're talking billions of dollars)? Who authorized the person who organized the collection of money to do so? What will happen when almost no one agrees to pay? The problems with your position are endless.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

who do you think will organize the process.us the people would pay him a fair share of money to make the road, was that difficult?why do you believe you need some hired registered man who sits on his ass and paid to organize things(usually done poorly) to get any progress completed?do we not wear shoes because its not government owned? no we put our own shoes on and use them.the transition to privatizing things like police is not hard or scary, Switzerland's police are privatized and their crime rates are low. and they are paid handsomely.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

us the people would pay him a fair share of money to make the road, was that difficult?I know we're not supposed to attack each other, and I'm trying not to attack you, but it's quite apparent you haven't thought this through.Since when do people do anything collectively without organization? They simply do not and cannot. Have you ever been employed? Have you ever employed others? If either is true, you must be aware of the fact that leadership is required.You cannot be naive enough to think that it's possible for billions of dollars to be collected and transferred without a governing body. You failed to answer a simple question as well. If it's not mandatory, what realistic expectation could you possibly have that anyone would be willing to pay for anything? It's lunacy. In your libertarian world, I simply wouldn't pay for anything. Why should I without a government in place to force compliance?It probably wouldn't take a 5th grade study group more than a few minutes to realize how hopelessly flawed your logic is.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

what you fail to realize is that people formed collectively for years with out forced compliance.in the 15 and 1600s colonist lived in a libertarian state and got things done fine. they built roads. made army's. and farmed to grow their town.people who don't pay like you, would simply not receive any of the benefits if you did. for instance. if you don't pay for some one to pick up ur garbage it piles up and u have to do it ur self. if u don't pay for police, they wont guard ur property. so yes there will be people who don't want to pay. but they would end up hurting them self's since they will not get any of the benefits of society has to offer.also. humans are not inherently evil. it is said government, which encourages aggression against things. like drugs and other countries causes our intolerance and evilness.when left alone a person has the ability to form his own opinions and not be controlled by government.and just because we believe in absence of government does not mean we don't have laws. people who abuse others and defeat their ability to make free choices are punished by law.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

What if your unable to pay? Even the best economic situations still have unemployment. Trash piling up for these poor would cause health problems, which would ripple out and cause more problems etc.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Many municipal police departments are private, but the crime rates are still high. How do you explain that?Comparing Switzerland to the U.S is almost impossible. The have less than 8 million people in the entire country, that's less than the city of New York.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

I agree with you I used Sweden as an example of how socialism can be done right not as a comparison to the US
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

where is ur proof that crime rates are higher with privatized police forces?and population has nothing to do with privatized police force. does the Sacramento police force also fight crime in Chicago?no its regional and local. and your statement just supported mine. we have to big of a population for privatized police force. when on the contrary this is the best time for a privatized police force.why? because instead of us paying taxes to government, who in time of crises. will use that money for other things (such as war, raw resources, etc) and therefore means the government will then take money away form what they have reserved for the police. and in times of debt, they take money away form the police force. in Sonoma county (where i live) we are laying off 200 officers, why? out county is in debt, but yet we have high rollers in limousines still walking in down town. this is because while the gov may be in debt, the citizens can sure not be.since gov is cutting funding to police, this is where we say "woah, we like our security, lets privatize it in areas where people can afford it so we can maintain our police force". this is the libertarian stance, when government ( a single formed unit) hit lows, were all affected. but the people( a diverse unity) have a far less chance of having all at once lows. and when there is no government needing money when it hits recession, the people will benefit, because we wont need to pull the weight of a hit boat sinking.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

we have high rollers in limousines still walking in down town. this is because while the gov may be in debt, the citizens can sure not be. since gov is cutting funding to police, this is where we say "woah, we like our security, lets privatize it in areas where people can afford it so we can maintain our police force".What about the communities that can't afford a police force by themselves? Your examples has millionaires in it. Not every county in the world is full of wealthy people that can pay for protection in that sense.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

that is why i said areas that can afford privatized police forces. next time read the statement. I'm not talking instant change or something. it will come slow.and the poor already pay taxes for crappier police. if they could choose to higher their own townspeople for protection, it would be mor effective then our current set up why?in Chicago and other crime ridden areas. the police instead of patrolling the area every day like they should. they go on raids once a week attacking high gang drug areas. then leave and do it again next week.this needs to end. we need round the clock services for services we are being forced to pay. and community people offering to protect their neighborhood is effective.in one Latin America country (i want to say Uruguay) a dictator owned the country. and the police only guarded the rich and political. the poor and unconcerned decided they needed the crime in their cities to end too. so they would have two men per block with flash lights and some weapon patrol the area and keep crime off their block. this instance of a community working together when they had no money to pay for it is an example that other methods of public services being reached with out money and such.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

and the poor already pay taxes for crappier police.Your side of the debate is saying that taxation is legalized theft. It's either everyone pays taxes, or no one pays taxes. You can't single out a few people and tell them that they don't have to pay taxes because they can supply their own protection and services. You make it a double standard. For you, if you're wealthy, taxes are so horrible, but if you're poor, then taxes are a lifesaver.That entire example that you gave could only work if someone is so gracious enough to provide protection without pay, which many people won't. I don't know if you have to pay a mortgage, or rent, or any other bills, but they don't get paid if you're making no money.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

lol i kind of made my self look hypocritical. but i was trying to say is that as we make progress towards no taxes, the people who could afford to have private services will and then they would have lower taxes and then those taxes they still have will go to helping poor cities to maintain public services till they can find ways to do it their selves.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

How would they do it themselves? No extra money is coming into the equation.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

If private citizens did all the infrastructure themselves they would make it so that only they (the rich) people could use these facilities. They'd make it so that only they would have access things like medicare, roads, bridges etc. it would simply lead to those very small amounts of peoples getting things and very large amounts of peoples not having access to it.In the end it would lead to totalitarianism and authoritarianism by the private citizens.Trust me, unless you're millionaires, that means you wouldn't be allowed to walk on a well maintained road. Yes, that means YOU (libertarian foolish cunts)
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

it is amazing how retarded you are. the whole point of privatized facilities is that the people chose to pay for them to work. every instance of your argument goes back to saying that government would take over.In the end it would lead to totalitarianism and authoritarianism by the private citizens. um no. libertarians don't believe in government interaction period. so if a man started to impose regulations infringing on people's rights or property, he would be punished in a libertarian style. most likly banned form the area due to him trying to bring government to a non government society.. so then if some one decided to say, hey, i own the roads and choose to put high taxes on them, then the people would build their own road or trade with an other town with out ridiculous demands. which would then, hurt the man who sent a high price on it in the first place. becouse then he would have no money to repair the road or he would be effected from no commerce. if a soda company is charging 10 dollars for a soda, do u go. well i have to buy it. or do you look for a cheaper soda or don't drink soda at all and find a other way to quench ur thirst. its like that in a libertarian society. you have a freedom to choose ur options or to make ur own, as long as they don't intrude on other peoples ability to do the same.Trust me, unless you're millionaires, that means you wouldn't be allowed to walk on a well maintained road. Yes, that means YOU (libertarian foolish cunts)um no agian. the millionar would loose money and workers for his ridculous demands causing him to loose his finacial status and destoying his bussniess. if a man charges stupid prices for a service, you find some one else or find ways to have the person lower the pice for his service. in a libertarian scoiciety, its not a all or nothing set up. you have other options.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Libertarians don't believe in the redistribution of wealth. If you build a house, you don't want to share it with anybody but family or w/e. If you build a road, you don't want to share it with anybody either. However it won't be just one person building all the roads up and down the country (lol). The richest people will pool their money together and build roads made of gold for themselves. They won't allow poor people access to these roads because they didn't pay for it.A multibillion dollar company would have it so their workers lived in slum-like conditions (or enough to keep them from rioting) enough to let keep them alive so they can continue to slave away. People would throw away these 'freedoms' and 'rights' for financial stability.Hopefully democracy intervenes and the people riot.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

yes we don't believe in redistribution of wealth. why should a guy get to be lazy and live off well fare while a middle class family struggles to maintain their financial status and then have to pay leeches sucking off their tax's to government. if a group of rich people monopolized services like the government, and then if people chose to not pay for them or support their services. they would suffer. if a billionaire owned a factory and paid shit prices to his workers, then the people could riot or not make his products. then the factory owner would suffer from no business and then would be more reasonable to demands.you keep referring libertarianism to aristocracy. libertarianism is not a government type. it is no government.