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Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Nothing about it is a contradiction. One need only understand the concept of God to believe that god(s) are unknowable. Your argument is simply a non-sequitur that you use as an excuse to insult those who have beliefs that differ from yours.The truth is, neither you theists, or atheists, can prove the existence or non-existence of god(s). To some, that is because we simply haven't been able to yet. To others, it is because it is impossible to do so.But you really don't possess the means to disprove either of those beliefs.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

"""One need only understand the concept of God to believe that god(s) are unknowable. """////Look at this. Understanding implies knowing. So once again, you are saying you know about God, so you conclude God is unknowable. Lol
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Look at this. Understanding implies knowing. So once again, you are saying you know about God, so you conclude God is unknowable. LolLook at this: One can understand a concept without understanding a specific. One can understand the nature of the concept of a deity without knowing a specific God, which means you can conclude based on the concept that the specific is unknowable.So no, I am not saying I know about God specifically, I am saying that based on my understanding of the concept of a deity, I doubt that we posses the ability to "know".You might make more progress if you tried responding to what people actually say instead of what you wish they said.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

"""" One can understand the nature of the concept of a deity without knowing a specific God""///But you are not claiming to know a specific god. You claimed God is unknowable. Lol. You are a major league Moron.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

But you are not claiming to know a specific god. You claimed God is unknowable. Lol. You are a major league Moron.I am claiming that I personally believe that gods, by nature of the concept of a deity, are unknowable. That would also apply to your "God", as well as any other.Your reliance on insults is funny as always. I wonder what it would look like if you felt more confident in your arguments?
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

""""I am claiming that I personally believe that gods, by nature of the concept of a deity, are unknowable. """Then that's just your opinion. Keep it like that. Otherwise you commit the Context Imposition Fallacy
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Then that's just your opinion. Keep it like that. Otherwise you commit the Context Imposition FallacyDid it really take you this long to realize it's just my opinion?No shit, that's what it has always been. That's kind of the entire point. Hence the "I personally believe" aspect. It's not as though I could have possibly made it any more clear.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

""""Did it really take you this long to realize it's just my opinion?"""/// Opinions have no place in an argument. Only justified premises.  So once again you proved yourself an incompetent clown
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Are you really insinuating that your comments have not been based on your opinions?If so, I can only sit back and be amazed by the level of disconnect required in that.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

That would make them christ-like not christian not even 'the christ' was christian - but one practicing any belief is considered a believer of that faith no half stepping.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

You know I have heard the statement that Christ wasn't Christian, but that isn't actually true. For one to be Christian, they must believe in the divinity of Christ. Clearly, he believed he was divine, which would make him Christian.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

Ill give you half a point for that.1- Allegedly jesus was god incarnate so of course he thought himself divine.Although i would have to argue that throughout the text he adamantly expressed that it was through his father from which his divinity came. As explanation for the miracles he performed and as explanation when charged with blasphemy.That said you cant be a part of a movement that didn't exist at the time, not to mention he lived, ate, and prayed as a Jew.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

The issue is that you are looking at it as a movement, I am looking at it simply as an affiliation (difference between "Christian" as it meant then and "Christian" as it means now).As for his divinity, his belief that his divinity game from god does not change the fact that he believed in his own divinity, and thus from a literal standpoint would be "Christian" as we now use it.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

I'm going to need proof. No matter the context, the definition is going to have to be 'religious', unless you change what the general definition of christianity is. Christianity is a religious. What i get from you is that at this moment, i practice let's say the christian faith. Now i disagree with how the government treats us. I then start a revolution simultaneously introducing a new way of life which promises peace and serenity, let's call it atheism. Although im christian by nature this new movement is radical to our oppressors and even my fellow christians. My belief in this new way is so strong i set out to prove it can be done if one really wanted to do it. At the end of day its decided ive committed treason by doing so.(keep in mind although i named the movement atheism i have no knowledge of this at the time) After I'm executed, i set in motion a chain of events that lead people to create this atheism. Am i then an atheist even if i never proclaimed to be. The key is the way to unlocking the box - the key is not the contents inside of the box - although we can call it that if we choose to.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

No matter the context, the definition is going to have to be 'religious', unless you change what the general definition of christianity is. Christianity is a religious. It is a religion of many, many sects. The single constant is the belief in the existence of god and the divinity of Jesus.What i get from you is that at this moment, i practice let's say the christian faith. Now i disagree with how the government treats us. I then start a revolution simultaneously introducing a new way of life which promises peace and serenity, let's call it atheism. Although im christian by nature this new movement is radical to our oppressors and even my fellow christians. My belief in this new way is so strong i set out to prove it can be done if one really wanted to do it. At the end of day its decided ive committed treason by doing so.(keep in mind although i named the movement atheism i have no knowledge of this at the time) After I'm executed, i set in motion a chain of events that lead people to create this atheism. Am i then an atheist even if i never proclaimed to be. If you personally adhered to the core beliefs then yes. Obviously you wouldn't consider yourself one, the same way Jesus didn't consider himself to be Christian, but you would still be one.The key is the way to unlocking the box - the key is not the contents inside of the box - although we can call it that if we choose to.Little confused by this. Elaborate?
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

The key(jesus) is the way of unlocking the box(the box being his mission) the key can umlock the box but it can't be the contents within the box(christianity)unless we choose to name it so. Your not a christian just because you believe in jesus there are steps a way of life you must follow that werent present during the time jesus allegedly lived. him dying set the religion we now know into motion through paul. If it weren't for paul we wouldn't know of christianity. jesus never referred to his dessciples as christians.Chris·tianˈkrisCHən/adjective1.of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings."the Christian Church"noun1.a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.Proof?
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

The key(jesus) is the way of unlocking the box(the box being his mission) the key can umlock the box but it can't be the contents within the box(christianity)unless we choose to name it so. But within the theology we are referring to, the box would be heaven, and the key would be belief in the divinity of Christ, would it not?Your not a christian just because you believe in jesus there are steps a way of life you must follow that werent present during the time jesus allegedly lived.That seems to require one to believe that the disciples of Jesus weren't Christian, which I find a little on the absurd side. As for the "steps", Christian sects disagree on this, which seems to me to lead down a "No True Scotsman" path, hence why I went with the the fundamental belief all Christian sects share as the "essence" of Christianity. Otherwise you have to start deciding which Christians are actually Christians, and that just gets messy and subjective.him dying set the religion we now know into motion through paul. If it weren't for paul we wouldn't know of christianity. jesus never referred to his dessciples as christians.Why would reference or identity be relevant, though?adjective1.of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.That doesn't undermine what I am saying at all. If I am saying that Christianity at its core is the belief in the divinity of Christ, then professing that belief would indeed make you Christian. The next part is "or", not "and".
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

You can play Frankenstein all day doesn't prove anything except we are both standing by our opinions. Playing Frankenstein means bringing back my dead points and trying to pass them off as new life.If what you claim holds any weight other than being an ideal, please present the validity of your statements.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Wait, so you want to debate, but you don't want me to respond to what you say?I backed up my claims with arguments. You responded. I responded to your responses.Where is this disconnect coming from, exactly?
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

1 You can't interpret my interpretations to fit your argument.2 Evidence would be something factual not your opinions.As i wrote under a previous post - the only way i will agree to this is if the christ we are discussing is the jesus of the quransince he is just a prophet according to their text.I responded with my own examples in addition to evidence and facts. Did you?Thats my point, we can go back and forth based on your opinions but facts win debates. Arguments based on your opinions do not. I'm not conceding I'm asking for either, factual evidence to back your claims or an agreement to disagree and end the debate as a draw.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

This is a debate based entirely upon opinion, not facts.Saying "give me facts" makes no sense within a subjective conversation.If you want facts, you need to state specifically what facts you are looking for. Otherwise it just seems like you have completely ignored the responses I have given you in a way that seems like a concession.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

How can an agnostic ag·nos·ticaɡˈnästik/noun1.a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; Moreprofess belief in christianity Chris·tianˈkrisCHən/adjective1.of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings."the Christian Church"noun1.a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.This is what i mean by facts. Opinions can lead to open ended arguments. Basing your argument strictly on opinion proves what? By definition and the context of the post. No. Someone cannot be agnostic and claim to be christian. Although there are some who identify themselves as such, it doesn't alter the general definition. We both would agree with one another if we were to change the meaning of those two words. However, since the op has not specified the conditions we are to assume that he posed the question based on the general definitions. Therefore my argument stands.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

You are making the mistake of conflating an Agnostic with Agnosticism.That said, you are clearly refusing to accept that distinction as you have demonstrated not just to me, but to multiple others.Therefore there's no point continuing this.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

The devil believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ, so does that make the devil a Christian devil?
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Yes, because a life form can vary in their thinking - and if God does exist, they'll accept that behaviour.Not only is it okay, but even arguable that a Christian being agnostic is more Christian than not being agnostic.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

You are becoming one of my favorites.Do you throw away all rules of engagement when it comes to debates or just the ones you feel are absurd?Your remark has no bearings, save for your panoramic insight on the chaotic yet destined collection of elements and entities. Although i respect your thoughts for they are your own. However this makes it difficult to attempt to debate with you in this manner.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

He believes he is "transcendent" and therefore sees a higher meaning to reality than everyone else. Take a look at the debates he has created.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Figured it was something to that affect. Respect. They probably name a religion after him one day.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

If Hubbard was able to create Scientology then I suppose damn near anything is possible.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Not religion, because that would mean reality still exists. What I want is the opposite of existence to exist.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

The post is just about producing positive content - I recognise the contradiction though.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

As described in this image attached, gnosticism is a perpendicular measure to the idea of belief.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Agnosticism is a claim about the know-ability of the evidence for a god and says nothing about a god's existence.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

Agnosticism is a claim of ignorance feigning to be intelligence........ no knowledge claiming you can't know yet still can consider yourself to be intelligent.....( to illustrate this brand of intelligence, I'm making a circle around my ear with my index finger)
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

You're spouting nonsense.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

This depends on your definition of agnostic. Technically this is question about knowledge, not in the existence of a god or gods. But the more common usage of the term is someone who is on the fence about the god question. In practice, people who say that they are agnostic typically don't think enough about religion to care one way or the other.So to answer the question: Yes, an Agnostic Christian can exist. They would be someone who follows the Christian faith but does not know for sure if it's true.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

If you were to search up the adjective of agnostic, you should see synonyms that not only have doubting, but unbelieving, disbelieving, faithless etc. If you are talking about the word doubting, then this makes sense because you can always have a Christian that sometimes doubts the existence of God. For example, maybe someone you loved dearly dies and they were very young; you might then doubt the existence of God because you're asking him "If you are there, then why aren't you answering my prayers?"However in reference to the adjective's synonym unbeliever, this is very different. Instead of having a small doubt of God or being unsure about Him. By having disbelief you are willingly putting yourself against God by saying that "Jesus is NOT the Son Of God." If this is the case, then you are not a Christian, because to be a Christian you need to believe in Jesus.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Well, if some of the "Christians" I've met can be Christian, I guess ANYBODY can. I'm not a Christian but I believe in most of the "teachings", and I TRY follow them more closely than many of my "Christian" friends. I don't need a "god" to do it, just what I believe is common sense. Take Trump, for instance. Is carpet bombing thousands of innocents to "get the bad guys"....Christian? Isn't what Obama is doing, trying to protect as many innocents as possible while working to solve the problems with a minimum of bloodshed, MORE Christian?? Isn't getting healthcare for those who can't afford it (many because greedy Christians traded their jobs for money), more "Christian" Isn't trying to protect "Gods creation" from greedy capitalists that would pollute the world if not regulated, More Christian? I remember a story about a guy that went against the "money" and tried to help the people. HE was crucified. Kind of what many "Christians" would like to do to Obama. The more things change, the more they stay the same!I'm an Atheist, but, I feel I could be a Christian easier than many who say they are, if I could believe.Sinclair Lewis said: "When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." Sounds like todays conservatism to me!
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

From what I have seen, agnostic views typically lead to the person bailing on their religion and remaining - for the most part - a non-believer of God. (Of course, this isn't the case 100% of the time, but major skepticism can follow this route plainly.) However, is this to say that an agnostic person is not Christian? No. One can celebrate and hold faith in Christianity, yet - from time to time - wonder whether or not there IS such thing as God. I mean, we never will know for sure; I wager that millions of Christians have, at some point, sat and wondered the same thing. Now, do I believe that an atheist can be Christian? No. In fact, I find it rather irritating that some people will sit through church and celebrate Christmas without the intentions of showing faith in God. If you don't believe in God, you should NOT classify yourself as a Christian. Your cultural backgrounds may be those of Christianity, but you are not a Christian. Returning to agnostic ones, I would say that their final decision upon things rests their case. They can contemplate it forever, but one can never refrain from leaning towards one side even the slightest bit more than on the other. During the process, however, I would not cease to call such a person 'Christian,' but I would still be wary of the fact that they have not fully come to terms with their final mental decision. Now, this is not to say that they cannot appreciate the cultural qualities of Christianity (or any religion for that matter) if in fact they decided to not believe in the religion; after all, I know of people (such as an English teacher of mine) who appreciates biblical passages as fine literature, yet - from what I know - is not a person of Christian faith. That is fine by me if a non-religious or non-Christian person appreciates the cultural values of Christianity, but they are also not to be called Christians - in the same way that a once-agnostic-and-now-non-religious person is no longer a Christian. Again, that final decision not to believe in God is the breaking of the water. (BTW, I am Christian, just in case any of you were wondering. Note that I am not saying that it's bad to not believe in God, but I still stand by my religion.)
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

A person can hold Christian beliefs yet recognize that what they believe might be wrong. That would be an agnostic theist. Compare this with an agnostic atheist - one who is not convinced there is a god but is willing to consider evidence (should it arrive).We also have the extremes (the gnostics). The gnostic Atheist is 100% convinced there is no god. The gnostic theist is 100% convinced his/her god exists.I submit that the gnostics are the minority (the extremes) and that most people are either agnostic atheists or agnostic theists. Many Christians fall into the latter IMO.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

I'd say no - at least not at the same time. To say you're a Christian is to say you follow and believe in Jesus (who claimed to be God). To say you're agnostic is to claim you don't know (about God). To me, the two are at odds.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

I am an agnostic Christian. .
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

Have a look at the synonyms for agnostic and then replace your religious identification with any of them and see if it makes any sense to you. Here are some examples: "disbeliever Christian", "nonbeliever Christian", "unbeliever Christian", "secularist Christian", "heretic Christian", "skeptic Christian" etc..The common theme here of course is a complete lack of faith. Do you have faith and believe that Jesus Christ is God? If so, then you're not agnostic. If not so, then you're not Christian. The two are not compatible.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Epistemically, that is incorrect. Gnosticism and Agnosticism pertain to knowledge, Atheism and Theism pertain to belief. Belief is a subset of knowledge defined as, "Justified true belief." When considering the Philosophical nature of of the content the label refers to, I find it necessary to indulge in semantics, and occasionally pedantry, to maintain clarity and cohesion. It is logically possible to be an Agnostic Theist, or a Gnostic Theist, or an Agnostic Atheist, or a Gnostic Atheist. These variations constitute the proverbial smorgasbord of belief systems today, as everyone falls into one of these categories.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Epistemically, that is incorrect. Gnosticism and Agnosticism pertain to knowledge, Atheism and Theism pertain to belief. Knowledge is a subset of belief defined as, "Justified true belief." When considering the Philosophical nature of of the content the label refers to, I find it necessary to indulge in semantics, and occasionally pedantry, to maintain clarity and cohesion. It is logically possible to be an Agnostic Theist, or a Gnostic Theist, or an Agnostic Atheist, or a Gnostic Atheist. These variations constitute the proverbial smorgasbord of belief systems today, as everyone falls into one of these categories.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Like I said, agnostics can be Christians. I am an agnostic Christian.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

Only place logical contradictions can exist is in the human mind. In that case, you can call yourself whatever you want I suppose. I just disagree, that's all.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: Yes.

Fair enough. All I mean by agnostic Christian is that I doubt whether God exists, but I lean in His favor.
Debate: Can agnostics be Christian?
Side: No.

1 John 5:13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.There is no reason for a Christian to be an agnostic. God wants us to know for sure that our sins are forgiven and we are going to heaven, and now have eternal life. Jesus endured suffering knowing the joy that was ahead of Him, and we can know His joy now as we go through suffering. Get you a good old King James Bible and read it more, soak it in.....lots of New Testament reading will do you good.