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Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Lol @ everyone mindlessly down-voting everyone whom says "yes" (without adding any argument themselves) while up-voting everyone whom says "no" XD
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Massive down voting on this side while massive up voting on the other side? It seems this has become a race instead of a debate.what a fag.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

It is basicly. When you get your paycheack you are not realy paid for the work you did because the government already took out some money and i'm not talkin alittel i mean for some people they lose alittle less then half. so wrong .that's like every month some one comes and steals your hard erned money.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Yes taxes is one way that the corrupt government steals from our wallets as governments continue to sink deeper into trillions of more dollars in debt!!!
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

over taxation is theft to me the government is getting billions to spend on whatever they need while the economy is struggling .we don't control our government they control us were slaves to them. Americas not free we pay everyday its better than most places but far from good
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

I like the term, "legalized theft." Yes, that would be a good description for taxation.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Yes, it is legalized theft. And, that is a great definition for it.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

How... can... anyone even deny this? even from a purely definitional standpoint this is true. The mob... er "government" force you to give them your money or they will kidnap you and place you in their prisons, and if you don't let them kidnap you they will kill you. Taking money under the threat of violence, you can call it "legal" or "moral" all you want, but even the most pro-state nut-job can see this is theft.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

How... can... anyone even deny this?Easily. Terminologically, it's paradoxical.even from a purely definitional standpoint this is true.Taxation is by definition not theft.Taking money under the threat of violence, you can call it "legal" or "moral" all you want, but even the most pro-state nut-job can see this is theft.Force or violence are actually a secondary issues, since theft can occur without either. So you're going to have to actually explain why taxation is equivalent to theft, when taxation is required of participating members of a modern society i.e. by remaining in said society, one tacitly agrees to being taxed, you are complicit in your own theft, which is equally paradoxical of the terminological problems of "legal theft".
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

but see, you agree to pay the government money, that is not taxation, it is donation. that is how our government worked before the civil war, no U.S citizen was ever taxed, but encouraged to pay denotations to support it. but now, i am a product of the government, they forcible take my money or i am put into jail for it. and you say that being a citizen i am obliged to pay a unfair tax against my own will? Germans becoming citizens of Hitlers Germany who did not except the prosecution of Jews were praised by us, but denounced by their ruler? so were they not really German citizens then? and so on because the society says its OK, it makes it? i want to reform society and remind people. theft of earned goods is wrong.my question is this, how can any one take my earned profits against my own free will and think its OK? if you can answer that then well, i guess I'm out of support for my argument.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

but see, you agree to pay the government money, that is not taxation, it is donation.A tax is a levied charge on (normally economic) human activity. A donation is not a "levied charge". It is a gift or contribution.but now, i am a product of the government, they forcible take my money or i am put into jail for it. Then leave the country.and you say that being a citizen i am obliged to pay a unfair tax against my own will?No. I'm arguing that it's not against your will.theft of earned goods is wrong.Yes it is. But a tax is not theft.if you can answer that then well, i guess I'm out of support for my argument.I have - a few times now.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

amazing how you still failed to answer my question. is it or is it not true, that if i do not pay taxes, i can have my assets sized forcible and be sent to jail. if so, then it is theft.unit money says, this is government property or an allowance we give citizens of America that when demanded, it must be given back when called upon, my money i earn and then taken away is still theft.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

amazing how you still failed to answer my question.I've already addressed the point in my very first post. You clearly didn't read it before you decided to reply to it.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

you said that taxation is not theft and that being a citizen of America, its my obligation to pay it.again i proved you wrong and when i asked my question in the previous post you ignored it. so ether you don't read the post before you write or you or avoiding the question knowing i am right.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

If you hate taxes so much, then go to a place where they don't have taxes. No one is keeping you here.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

wow, again i have to say this? if a German did not like Hitlers rule, then yes he could of left, or he could of fought against his evilness. instead of being a hermit i plan to reform government and convince people that taxation is legalized theft.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Would there be a government without taxation? No, because they get money from citizens that pay taxes. What you want is anarchy.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Way to hit the million dollar question. We have a winner. This is only what I have been advocating since the beginning. "Government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem," -Ronald Reagan. And of course there can be government without taxes, what do you think we had before the Civil War? Guess what? NO TAXES! Go re-take history and get your facts straight before you try and sound intelligent.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Maybe you should get your facts straight. According to Wikipedia "Tariffs were the largest source of federal revenue from the 1790s to the eve of World War I, until they were surpassed by income taxes." The civil war was in the 1860's and tariffs were around way before then. The government was getting funded by, well what do ya know, taxes.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Tariffs are usually associated with protectionism, the economic policy of restraining trade between nations. For political reasons, tariffs are usually imposed on imported goods, although they may also be imposed on exported goods.you our so ignorant. next time read the info before you use it as a argument.taxation and tariffs our different. and guess what you supported my argument. since the government did not tax to the civil war, they got most of their money on taxing good being imported to the country. different form taxing citizens, so again, go retake history.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

You are correct, there weren't any income taxes in the United States before the civil war, but there were taxes. I never specified which type of taxes I was speaking about, nor does the debate. The United States government was funded, partially, through taxation.Why are you so quick to call someone ignorant? Maybe you should go back to grammar class:you our so ignorant. When you begin a sentence, it starts with a capital letter: next time read the info before you use it as a(supposed to be an) argument.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

I guess I understand where you're coming from when you're saying that the government is taking your earnings, but would you rather we not have all of the services the government provides for us from what they take? Where would the money to pay for all of those things come from if not from those using the services?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

"Easily. Terminologically, it's paradoxical."Lolz. Why? Because it's "legalized"? I'm sure I can pull up just as many definitions of theft they say nothing of law as you can referring to law.Besides, just because the people stealing from you call it "legal" doesn't change what they're doing. It's like the difference between murder and an execution. You can argue that one is more "moral" than the other until you're blue in the face (well, maybe not you per say) but the act is the same and I'm all for calling a spade a spade."Taxation is by definition not theft."Define taxation (in your own words)."Force or violence are actually a secondary issues, since theft can occur without either."Note the word "threat". ;)"So you're going to have to actually explain why taxation is equivalent to theft, when taxation is required of participating members of a modern society"You assume taxation is needed. This is NOT true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99ziyoUpSQ "one tacitly agrees to being taxed, you are complicit in your own theft,"I have a pretty good feeling that if the threat of not paying taxes went from jail time/ being murdered to nothing, a lot less people would be paying taxes. I've yet to meet a person whom likes paying taxes and if taxes were not mandatory it would only be a few years at most until everyone stopped paying them. I'd like to see just how much everyone agrees to taxation when there are no guns in the room ;)
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

I was initially going to respond to you point by point, as I customarily do. But we really have to trudge through a general ignorance on your part on the issue of theft, and what makes a specific action theft. First and foremost, without its legal context, there is no such thing as theft. So the "semantics" that you seem to depreciate are in fact important. Semantics help us not confuse legal jargon, and misuse terms even for the sake of argument.The act of theft is not predicated on the use of force. The term "theft" only describes the taking of someone's property without their consent. For example, if someone leaves their IPod on a restaurant chair to go to the bathroom, and someone else picks it up and keeps it, then that person has committed theft. If that person uses violence to attain that same IPod, then it's not longer "theft", it actually becomes "robbery". But either way, by giving consent, you have necessarily precluded any legitimate allegation of theft. And consent does not simply mean acquiescing to demands made of you.There's also one more, and probably more important reason why taxes don't constitute theft. Taxation is a form of debt repayment. You owe the government money for your continued use of the public goods and services that the government provides, and you may not be able to benefit from individually - the very things that allow you to maximize your productive capacity.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Theft is a legal term. And I am using it consistent with jurisprudence. You can choose to define words however you see fit, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend to indulge your whimsical, persuasive definition for any reason. What you are calling theft is robbery (See: legal dictionaries for distinction between theft and robbery, I got my use from Amy Hackney Blackwell's "The Essential Law Dictionary"). Your allegation that this is my definition and not the common use is your departure from reality. It's as simple as that. And your accusation of taxation equalling theft, hinging your argument on emotional pleas, hyperbole and exaggerated allegations of force and potential death, is incorrect and an injustice to healthy debate.You benefit from public goods that you otherwise wouldn't be able to afford (assuming you're not rich), just as the rest of society benefits from them. I highly doubt that you spend all day cursing roads for being "coercive monopolies" while you're driving on them, or shake your first at police officers or armed forces that enforce the law and protect us. These goods require maintenance for their perpetuation, and since you gain benefit from them at disproportionately subsidized rates, you pay back what you owe.If you really have such a problem with being held accountable to the law and want to continue depreciating forms of governments, I can point you to countries or places on the planet where you don't have to worry about those things at all.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

We need to pay taxes to support infrastructure. I don't think this debate merits any more effort than I've already put into this argument, so I'll leave it at that unless you can come up with a viable alternative to pay for infrastructure.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Your post is irrelevant. The question of this debate is not about the costs of the infrastructure or the liability of those costs. But according to your post, you don’t have a problem with theft as long as it benefits you and others. I also suppose your argument would be vastly different if the Christian populace used your taxable wages to pay for infrastructure which benefits them and others.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Duh! Its not theft if its helping everyone. Everyone contributes something so that everyone can have something. Do you like being able to drive on roads? Or having a police force to protect you? Not even just you, but your family and friends as well. So, according to you, because its helping everybody, its theft. Is that because you're not okay with helping anybody but yourself?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

My wages are my property. Any law that deprives me of my property, without my written, formal consent, is theft de jure. Do you honestly believe that the distribution of the spoils of theft is the negation of theft itself?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

yes, the act, regardless of the outcome was still the forceful taking of my propertyagainst my own will.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

it is not because i am selfish and if you honestly believe that you are misunderstanding the debate.if mother Tressa or Ghondi started to use threats and punishments against people if they did not give money to help them, would we look at them the same? nounjust means do not justify noble ends. what we hate is that we are forced to give these services against our own free will.if a doctor came in your house and put you at gun point saying you have to buy health insurance or you would get hurt. does the fact that he wanted you to have health insurance justify the gun at your head to do it?i don't think so so.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

It's not theft if it's helping someone?So, if I take all of your money and donate it to some charity, I'm not really stealing it?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

lol i like the sarcasm, sadly this is what people (mainly liberals believe). thats why they support Islamic terrorism, because even though a few hundred civilians have to die, their goal to bring happiness to Allah is just such a fuzzy feeling inside and honorable, that its almost impossible to not feel compassion for them.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

If taxes are a payment for services (ie benefits) then it's not really theft then is it?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

amazing how you like the rest miss point. regardless of the benefits that may come i am still forced to give up my property or face consequences. the taking of some ones property against their will is theft, period.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

If taxes are a payment for services (ie benefits) then it's not really theft then is it?Your hypothetical question is irrelevant. We are not debating the distribution of property which is collected by taxation.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

My question was neither hypothetical nor irrelevant. Theft is not a payment, taxes are a payment. If someone breaks into your home and takes your money they are not going to then mow your lawn and take out your garbage afterward. The reason you don't have a choice to pay taxes is because as long as you live in this country you are benefiting from the services provided by the government.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

again you have failed to answer this prime question. while your other arguments have more valid reasons for taxation, taxation is theft.let me state it this way. do you or do you not receive consequences such as imprisonment or forceful seizure of your assets if you do no pay taxes?if yes, it is theft regardless of the benefits that can come form taxation.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

My question was neither hypothetical nor irrelevant. Then strike the term “if” from your assertion/question. Until you do, it is hypothetical. Furthermore, strike the terms “then is it”. Until then, it is also a rhetorical question. Lastly, it is irrelevant because it is does not the answer the question of this debate. Why? We are not debating the purpose of taxation. We are debating whether or not the attribute “legalized theft” is predicable of taxation in truth. Theft is not a payment, taxes are a payment. If someone breaks into your home and takes your money they are not going to then mow your lawn and take out your garbage afterward. The reason you don't have a choice to pay taxes is because as long as you live in this country you are benefiting from the services provided by the government.Again, we are not debating the purpose/s of taxation. What do you not understand about debating a proposition? The reason you don't have a choice to pay taxes is because as long as you live in this country you are benefiting from the services provided by the government.Perfect, you are now on record of admitting that taxation is theft, by inference. Clearly, you are aware of the fact that taxation is theft. Consequently all you are doing is obfuscating ‘theft’ by renaming it ‘taxation’. How is this so?Simple, “you don't have a choice to pay taxes”! Forego your inclination to again argue the purpose of taxation in order to negate ‘theft’ as an attribute of taxation.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Taxation is not theft genius you are paying for a service or services provided by the government. So I assume that means you believe that if I sell my car and you give me money for it that's theft right? Or if I say I will mow your lawn but I want monetary compensation obviously it's theft. Are you stupid or just an anarchist. My guess is you want everything privatized like the military and the fire department and the police force. Am I right?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

you are retarded.the government takes your money with out your consent and if you choose not to pay you receive consequences like imprisonment and financial assets forcefully taken.the government is not like buying a bike, i am forced to buy the bike or i receive punishment.so next time before you march in like a retard. look at the other post and you will see i and others have disproved your basic point you have provided.and for the end. yes you are right, privatized services would end theft from government which they have masterfully masqueraded as "taxation"
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Clearly, you don’t understand the proposition of this debate. Let’s begin with a question:What is theft? Next, what is the difference betwixt de facto theft and theft de jure?(Are you a kid? Or do you simply think like one?)
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

what is this mentality going around that we need government for every thing? if the government stops paying for police, wouldn't, we the people instead form to gather and pay for a privatized police force? thats what the west did for years during westwards manifestation. the city elected a sheriff who in return for money, protected the people. if government stooped taking your garbage, wouldn't you, pay a private services company to take your garbage.i think the problem here is that you people think that when i say no taxation, i mean no public services, when really on the contrary, all i want to happen is for government services to be privatized, so people have the ability to pay for it or not.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

No, there wouldnt be people forming together to help others, because thats the mentality of the human race. Im not saying its right, but if you needed help and the only person that was able to help you also needed help, he would sure forget about you. Our country has been set up as every man for himself, and until everybody can be trusted to do the right thing, this system would not work. Youre placing too much faith in humanity.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Okay so you would rather our country be run by a giant conglomerate and the rich few rather than us the people. You would rather it be the ones with the money running things rather than us. I do agree with you on the idea of the government can be wrong and that is why we need to keep it in check because if we privatize we lose control. I will say this, socialism can be the best if done right just look at Sweden they did it amazingly.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Sweden is hardly socialist.Sweden is a capitalist society with heavy social programs. It is far from socialist.Sweden's industry is overwhelmingly in private control.Sweden is doing amazing because it is a capitalist economy.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

You still haven't explained where the money for infrastructure is going to come from.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

We need our government to help us; thats what theyre there for. Those taxes were paying are contributing to the greater good.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

infrastructure. as in the formation and management of society? sorry be more specific for me. and if so again i say privatized services. we don't need a collective mass of people to form society, this is called organicism and Hegel is who founded it. he believed we need government giving us social propose, would complete a man, not true. while society is good, a society that is biased and based off a set of beliefs that are inforced will only cause conflict and problems, as have been.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Infrastructure can of course mean many things. Let's take something basic, like roads and bridges. Even over a hundred years ago, the Brooklyn bridge cost more than 15 million dollars to build. Without taxation, where is this money going to come from? That's just the bridge itself, where is the money going to come from to build roads, put in a sewer system, traffic lights, fire hydrants, street lights...the list could go on almost forever.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

again the people. people will realize that they need their sewage gone, a bridge over a river for transportation, and schools for education. once realized, people will work together to create these things.why is it so hard for you people to see this. i know that these ideas seems like a dream society, but with education, enlightenment, and so forth, people can create this dream, it has already been proven (read my other post to see them) and we can once again, bring it back. this is what the philosophers have been talking about for ages, form Plato to Marx, but finally we have reached a ideology that does not need government.