azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

What if that child grew up to be the next hitler if he hadnt been killed? Whats worse the death of one innocent person or the deaths of billions of innocent people? Its not in gods power to interfere because of one simple reason: free will, you seem to be missing the whole point of it. God does not interfere with free will, otherwise we would have no free will, but this isnt even my definition of god, this is the christians definition, my definition of god is much much different than a christians, or any religion or that matter.I dont want anyone to do harm to anybody, but its peoples choice to do what they want, and that priest will probably suffer for a long time in the afterlife in ways that we can not even imagine. You put me in an uncomfortable question, and thus you get an uncomfortable answer.Life is not easy, noone said its a walk in the park, but we grow and learn to love and look forward, not backwards, is it wrong that children are molested? Indeed so, very much so, do i wish it wouldnt happen? Yes i do, but thats life, fucked up shit happens that noone has the power to stop, except the person commiting the atrocity.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

What if that child grew up to be the next hitler if he hadnt been killed? Whats worse the death of one innocent person or the deaths of billions of innocent people?What if he didn't? What if he were to grow up and change the world for the better?It's not like every child that was torchured, raped and killed was a soon-to-be Hitler. Its not in gods power to interfere because of one simple reason: free will, you seem to be missing the whole point of it.Free will? Don't make me laugh.http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision God does not interfere with free will, otherwise we would have no free will, but this isnt even my definition of god, this is the christians definition, my definition of god is much much different than a christians, or any religion or that matter.I dont want anyone to do harm to anybody, but its peoples choice to do what they want, and that priest will probably suffer for a long time in the afterlife in ways that we can not even imagine.You put me in an uncomfortable question, and thus you get an uncomfortable answer.Life is not easy, noone said its a walk in the park, but we grow and learn to love and look forward, not backwards, is it wrong that children are molested? Indeed so, very much so, do i wish it wouldnt happen? Yes i do, but thats life, fucked up shit happens that noone has the power to stop, except the person commiting the atrocity.Can you really blame the person with mental illness to harm people, despite how their brain is wired? It's not like they had a choice when they were born...
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

What if he didn't? What if he were to grow up and change the world for the better?It's not like every child that was torchured, raped and killed was a soon-to-be Hitler.In my eyes, theres reasons everything happens, sure its horrible for the child that he has to live with that nightmare forever haunting him, but the past is the past, i know its hard to get over, but you have to look forward, not backwards. If the child can grow up to help people cope with their problems and deal with the horrid things they have gone through, it probably wouldnt have happened unless he was molested, as bad as that sounds its true. Or he could turn out to be a serial killer, noone knows.According to the article you say theres no free will, then by that logic you must believe we are being guided by something, that everything we do is planned, so what is it that is planning what we do before we even make the choices that we do? I could go kill someone tomorrow, but im not going to because I do not want to kill people.that article is rubbish, free will exists, if we go by the logic of that article then you have to say that the priest was programmed to molest the little boy, so are you certain you want to go with that logic? Because thats saying that our brains are programmed to do evil things and harm people, which they may be, but you have the power to over ride it, just like the article says: you cant rule out last second free will.Can you really blame the person with mental illness to harm people, despite how their brain is wired? It's not like they had a choice when they were born...their brain is not wired to harm people, i was born with alot of shit wrong with my brain that should cause me to snap and kill everyone around me because they could be trying to abduct me, take me somewhere, beat me senseless, torture me and leave me to rot in a cell that noone knows the location of.But do i freak out? No, its called self control, staying aware of your surroundings and not letting your impulses control your life. Will i regret not killing the person who takes me and tortures me? Possibly, but in my book, noone deserves to die, and if someone does that to me, then i hope they can learn from what they did and see the wrong in their actions.If you really want me to go in detail about pre-destination and free will, then i will, but that would be like typing an essay.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

Well dont be sorry for cussing, idc, im sorry your grandpa passed away.Anyways, i never said they deserved it i said it happens for a reason, what that reason is, who knows.Well youre an atheist so i dont expect you to understand what i mean, remember, i believe we live on after death.If youre murdered, then it doesnt partain to a life experience, because you wont be here anymore, as for becoming a vegetable, humans who keep people alive on machines are trying to play god by keeping them alive, let them go.No my brain doesnt prevent it, i could easily kill someone, shit, when i was younger i always wanted to be a hitman to take out corrupt leaders.you said "It is all "planned" and wired within our heads, within our biology."then you said "The hypothetical priest was not programmed to rape the hypothetical boy"so which is it?Your brain is the most powerful thing on the planet, while i know there is a point of snapping where you literally cant control yourself, thats different than having self control when youre mind is able to. If you snap and kill people, you have no control over that at all when youre "snapped" so that shouldnt pertain to the situation either.Did you know you can heal your mind of impurities like the one you stated? Meditation, like ive said before, is key to life.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

Anyways, i never said they deserved it i said it happens for a reason, what that reason is, who knows.Is that all you have to say as an answer? "They died for a reason because who knows"? What possible meaning can be placed higher in value than leaving them alive? What is the determination of the value between these outcomes? If it is based on morality, wouldn't it of been more of a valuable outcome for the child to not be raped, instead of having him raped for reasons of less meaning and morality?Well youre an atheist so i dont expect you to understand what i mean, remember, i believe we live on after death.I do understand what you mean, but what you mean is incorrect, or partially false. I wasn't always an atheist you know.If youre murdered, then it doesnt partain to a life experience, because you wont be here anymore, as for becoming a vegetable, humans who keep people alive on machines are trying to play god by keeping them alive, let them go.If you're murdered, it is a natural part of reality. If you see it as something that has a meaning behind it, you are going to have a bad time. Because, what good can become of a child getting torchured, raped and murdered than the other outcome of him not being torchured, raped and murdered? He will just end up making everyone depressed and cause his parents to commit suicide making everyone more depressed. What the hell is this reason supposed to be if it just causes more pain for everyone when it doesn't have to?No my brain doesnt prevent it, i could easily kill someone, shit,Self-control is not a magical thing that hovers above all other values; it is a chemical in the brain in which some people are lacking of, due to psychological complications. People who are noted serial killers lack this self-control which make them able to murder without reluctance. Face it; you had self-control, more so than a serial killer, which made you different from them.when i was younger i always wanted to be a hitman to take out corrupt leaders.Almost everyone does, including me. It is natural to have such hate for an evil abusive person.you said "It is all "planned" and wired within our heads, within our biology."then you said "The hypothetical priest was not programmed to rape the hypothetical boy"so which is it?I was just denying your use of the word "programmed." Yes, the priest was "programmed" in a way, but not exactly. He was messed up in the brain, causing events to coincide as they did.Did you know you can heal your mind of impurities like the one you stated?Meditation, like ive said before, is key to life.They can't do shit against physical brain deformities; only minor problems caused by stress. Meditation is just a fancy word for the relaxation of stress. Stress is a causer of many sicknesses. The relieving of stress stops these minor sicknesses, but not the serious ones. That's why we have medication, doctors and hospitals. We can't survive just by meditation.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

im just gonna post this link since you only replied like 2 minutes ago cuz im going to bed http://www.mindandlife.org/can-meditation-change-your-brain-contemplative-neuroscientists-believe-it-canâ€“-cnnbeliefblog/ ill reply to the rest when i wake up in 5-7 hours
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

I clicked on the link, which sent me to a 404 Page not found.By looking at the link "Neuroscientists believe it can" I am rather doubtful for its viability.I hope you quote all of my points directly.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

my links always go to a 404 even after i read them >:O whatever, lolWell im going to be using my beliefs in this argument, and in my beliefs time is infinite, and we can stand outside of time, so we can know the future, so in a sense i believe we are on a divine plan kind of, so the reason i say who knows, is because there may be a reason for it, but we do not know, we have to find out.Define a valuable outcome. Living in a bubble your whole life and never experiencing tragedy? thats not valuable to me.What i meant for the murdered part was it wouldnt help the child because hed be dead anyways, so i mixed my words up there. It doesnt have to make everyone depressed, his parents dont have to commit suicide, and he can become a very very strong willed person in life, which in my book, a heavy price to pay for a good value such as that. It doesnt have to cause pain for anyone, thats peoples choice to feel pain and not move on and be stuck in the past.Well i wouldnt like it, but trust me, i could very much easily kill someone and feel remorse, but never show it, because things happen, i wouldnt dwell on it, i would just keep moving along like nothing ever happened. But the priest knows its wrong, he had the choice to not commit the molestation, but he chose to because he forced himself to believe in some way that what he was doing was right, see the power of belief? If i fully believe killing someone is no big deal, then it will be no big deal.Meditation is not just a fancy word, ive posted articles that meditation literally changes your brain and causes you to develop feelings of empathy and positive behavior. Medication? oh please, the side effects of medication is what causes people to snap in the first place, "oh this medication doesnt make you feel right? here take this one. Oh that one made you feel worse? here try this one. Oh this one made you agitated? Here try this one." That will seriously, SERIOUSLY fuck someones brain up
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

If we are going to logically debate, I suggest pushing some beliefs aside. It's practically impossible to debate with personal beliefs.No, i debate my views and you debate your views, to say i need to use your views to debate would defeat the purpose.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

It just so happens my views are backed up with pure logical proof.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

And thats great, but your views have been trodden upon you by centuries of standards that have never changed, and i oppose these standards, i dont dispute scientific fact, but i do dispute societal and cultural beliefs.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

And you are some mega-super-hero that will break me out of these centuries of bigotry and unquestioned logic.Because we clearly do not have chemicals in the brain that dictate how we act in an environment. And 1+1 does not equal 2 because I am such a hipster.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

I cant teach anyone anything, i can only make them think. Chemicals that dictate how we act in an environment? These chemicals sound alot like how we are raised, and the situations we grow up in, and years and centuries of living in a hostile environment has bred hostile actions.Youre seriously going to sit there and tell me that we evolved to have chemicals that cause harm to other living beings when nature is a state of peace? Sure, animals kill each other, but its because they have to, in order to survive, killing someone else, hurting other people, does not help you survive. The only way harming another human being helps you survive is if they put your life in harm.To bring about harm on something else for no other reason than sick sadistic twisted issues, is due to the influence thats around us, mother nature would not have programmed us to mindlessly kill each other.and i realize that the brain can become screwy through the actions of others, but that is their fault what they do, not the victims fault, and thus the victim who turns out to be a serial killer is his fault, but at the same time, it is the fault of others.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

You speak of humans as if they are worth shit. We aren't. We are just apes who have gained the benefits of evolution giving us advanced, high-ordered minds. We are all animals. We have the remnants of our ancestors; the remnants of a tail, as observed in our coccyx, the remnants of wisdom teeth; the teeth we evolved to eat through plants when we used to have a herbivore diet millenia ago. Not all animals kill for survival. There has been wars between ape tribes. There has been psychotic animals, tigers with down syndrome, some animal species killing purely for fun. We aren't singled out as especially 'evil.' Humans are just taking advantage of their advanced brains to gain benefits from all the other animals that didn't evolve as well. And a brain does not only become 'screwy' through the actions of others; it can become screwy from birth, without the choice of the person being born.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

Just properly dispute my main argument and quote each of my points directly.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

Sorry for the cussing, I'm just a little prone to stress this week.I don't really want to bring this up, but my Grandfather passed away two days ago, so I'm sorry for that.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

Thats true but Im sure people would find other things to fight about.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

But in this hypothetical world without religion, there would be less reasons to fight.Religion is such a deep matter. People are born to not question it. If there was no religion, there would be no separation of belief, or wasted money on churches and religious organizations. People just don't simply find things to fight about. Global alliances, countries relying on other countries to make their produce, each country no longer separated by faith. No 9/11; no terrorism; no war on terrorism. No Jew/Muslim conflicts. No Christian/Muslim conflicts. Just people more united together with common beliefs; higher understandings of how the world works; higher IQ's equals to wiser government and population = less wars.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

"Religion is such a deep matter. People are born to not question it."People are born to question it. Look how many atheists there are and they believe that because they questioned religion they rose above it. In the Bible God asks man to test him many times and the Israelites who were to be a religious people questioned God as much as the common atheists.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

I didn't mean it that way.I just meant that religion is deep enough to start wars over. It's with most people from birth, and goes on throughout their entire lives.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

You know, many people I've debated with on this topic make the distinction between God and religion. You however, seem to find then synonymous.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

Why the hell would god kill people?Answer: God doesn't exist as in the bible.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

Jesus and Allah never declared wars because they would have to exist first to do so.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

How can you make such an assumption?
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

Religious wars such as the Crusades.Oh yes, they would of definitely still happened if religion didn't exist because atheists do love to start wars about who disbelieves in God the most!Oh wait, that never happens.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

I was talking about the fact that he assumed that Jesus would declare religious wars and he also assumed that Jesus never existed.Also any war that didn't involve religion is an 'atheistic war' also we could say that any war caused by lack of religion is the fault of atheism.So World War I and World War II, as well as many others, are atheistic wars.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

I was talking about the fact that he assumed that Jesus would declare religious warsIt's deeper than that. But anyway, isn't Jesus God? Doesn't that mean that when God went full genocidal in the OT, Jesus was somewhat related? Perhaps condoning, of God's immoral actions?and he also assumed that Jesus never existed.You need to get the celestial tea pot in your head. A magic man who can turn water into alcohol simply doesn't happen nowadays- therefore he must carry the burden of proof.Also any war that didn't involve religion is an 'atheistic war' also we could say that any war caused by lack of religion is the fault of atheism.So World War I and World War II, as well as many others, are atheistic wars.You're joking right? So they were all actually fighting over who disbelieved in God the most? Ha ha... no. Atheists were basically non-existent at that time. Just because there is a war that wasn't about religion doesn't mean it has to be about Atheists. World War I started with an assassination of an important Archduke, which lead to a political mess which eventually turned into World War I. YES, definitely all of the Atheist's fault! Their disbelief in God caused THIS!Oh, and Germany invading Poland in WWII; definitely all those darn Atheist's fault! Hitler's wish to take over Poland to expand his empire was totally because he loved Atheism so much! Damn Atheists! It's not like the 9/11 was about religion (and the war on terrorism that ensued.)
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

"It's deeper than that."Not in his argument it wasn't."But anyway, isn't Jesus God? Doesn't that mean that when God went full genocidal in the OT, Jesus was somewhat related? Perhaps condoning, of God's immoral actions?"No, Jesus is not God. And when did God go "full genocidal" in the Old Testament?"You need to get the celestial tea pot in your head. A magic man who can turn water into alcohol simply doesn't happen nowadays- therefore he must carry the burden of proof."How many Julius Ceasar's do you see nowadays? None. According to you that means he never existed."You're joking right? So they were all actually fighting over who disbelieved in God the most? "When did I say that?"Atheists were basically non-existent at that time. Just because there is a war that wasn't about religion doesn't mean it has to be about Atheists."Just because there was a war that involved religion, doesn't mean it was caused by religion."World War I started with an assassination of an important Archduke, which lead to a political mess which eventually turned into World War I."The assassin wasn't religious, he didn't know the religious guidelines of "do not murder" therefore his lack of religion (atheism) caused WWII."YES, definitely all of the Atheist's fault! Their disbelief in God caused THIS!"You try make a mockery of my argument? Imagine how funny it is to me when I read all the 'religion causes war' arguments your fellow atheists make."Oh, and Germany invading Poland in WWII; definitely all those darn Atheist's fault! Hitler's wish to take over Poland to expand his empire was totally because he loved Atheism so much! Damn Atheists!"Yup, Hitler's lack of religion caused him to go batsy against the Jews. No true Christian would want to commit mass genocide.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: False

Isn't your last line.... The "not true Scotsman fallacy".......?sheesh.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

I am still awaiting a rebuttal for my argument.I've picked up some major points that I hope you will consider reading.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

To be honest, I've lost passion for this debate. It's reached to the stage where people are just upvote/downvoting each other. So I have replied to your previous argument and this argument will be the last I make in this debate.
Debate: True or false. Religion never caused any wars, it was only people
Side: True

To be honest, I've lost passion for this debate.Gaining the winning position doesn't concern me. Nor should it concern you. It's reached to the stage where people are just upvote/downvoting each other.We haven't been upvoted or downvoted in our string of debates.So I have replied to your previous argument and this argument will be the last I make in this debate.Is that seriously your only reason? This has happened to be countless times, even with Srom.You are avoiding my points. I found your previous argument less than satisfactory- it didn't really dispute all my heavy points, which I find disappointing.