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Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

"We're there, and how we treat the people there is more important than how many Al Quada we kill."Staes are not moral agents, they act morally insofar as it is in their interest to do so, the fact that you have a nice fantasy about how you'd like to think your amry behaves overseas is cute, but I think we can safely say the wikileaks war logs have dismissed the lies your government uses to justify its rabid imperialism to the people of the US."I'm not willing to judge their individual state of mind during the act too harshl"Neither are you willing to judge their presence in another people's country."as colonial as that may sound."How can you even think that way? Seriously, I'm amazed, you've been propping up the worst dictators in the middle east (actually the world) for decades precisely because they subjugate their own people into slavery, and allow you to privileged access to their resources. I'm not just saying as an insult, I mean you really have to ignorant of a hell of a lot of historical information to hold an opinion like yours. I mean the US media are good at turhning reality on its head, but they're not that good, or maybe I'm wrong.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"Nah, not insane at all. Women are cattle and all that."What your failing to realise is the Taliban are (and always have been) a major political force in Afghanistan precisely because they have masive support from large portions of the population, now, that doesn't give them the right to institute a tyranny of the majority (assuming they still have majority support, which is doubtful), but that doesn't give you the right tp impose anything on the people of Afghanistan.Your problem is you've digested far too much bullshit US disneyland propaganda, you have no moral right to do any of the things you do, you had no moral right to invade in the first place, the only right you have is might.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: wrong

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Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Maybe they had one too many beers and they 3really had to go and their judgement was impaired ;-)
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

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Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: wrong

---But those men did not eye for an eye read your bible if you forgot..Do you know why they did that?edit : they? who's "they"?
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Maybe it comes from my constant playing of Modern Warfare and other shooters that shit like this seems... funny.Like, when you kill someone and then emulate tea-bagging over their dead body. It's about humiliation. We won, you lost, now suck on this.War is a video game and the soldiers are the players. The Taliban lost this one since they're dead. It doesn't even matter if he shot his own claymore, the opposing force still has the right to teabag their enemy. Now, maybe I'm too separated from reality, but I've never given that much of a shit about the dead. If my grandfather was fighting some Korean and ended up getting teabagged by that Korean after dying, i would say that I hope that Korean dies.And why the fuck not? It's fuckin' war. I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers are also thinking "man, I hope someone kills those Americunts", and with every right. We're at war, get over it. inb4 this isn't a real war.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

It's fuckin' war. I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers are also thinking "man, I hope someone kills those Americunts", and with every right.That's the point. This is the exact kind of sentiment we are trying to avoid. Being unnecessarily and intentionally disrespectful then becomes a recruitment tool for the Taliban. Why the fuck would we want that? We don't want to give them a reason to take up arms against us more than we already have. We need to be as professional as possible, this isn't a video game. You seem to have some naive misconceptions about what war is.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Well, aside with how we've handled this war so far and the goals of the war in total, I am against the War in general.I do not support the Taliban. I do not support the troops. I believe that in an already fucked up situation, peeing on dead Taliban is just funny.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

The war in Afghanistan has gone about as well as anyone could reasonably expect, remember this is the land that is said to be unconquerable. I'm getting off point, what I'm trying to convey is that causing unnecessary and intentional disrespect creates a good recruitment tool for the Taliban, and if anything pissing on dead enemy combatants is intolerable for that reason, even if you have no inherent respect for the dead it is at the very least a bad tactical decision.War is fucked up, but war has progressed a long way since the Vietnam war. The idea that war is without rules is a fantasy. Just about everything we do is copiously documented. There are a number of weapons we cannot use anymore, and tactics we cannot use. If you shoot an enemy combatant, and he falls to the ground bleeding but still alive, it is a war crime to "Double tap" or shoot him again. You cannot point your weapon at an AK-47 wielding Afghan simply because he is armed. Most people have no idea how different war is today. Although I think I know what you were saying, that making lightheartedness of a very serious and gruesome situation can be a sort of an emotional release, but this is a relic of past wars.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

The idea that all these rules actually exist is a fantasy. And still, I don't see your justification for the war as a contradiction to why it's still funny... or why I should take any of this seriously.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

Well, if anything should be taken seriously it's death. I don't think I need to explain why death is a serious matter, but if you don't understand why that's not something I can help you with.Funny is really a matter of personal taste, i can't convince you that what you find funny isn't funny, I can only show you the serious consequences of this. Or you're just trolling, which is possible.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"other shooters that shit like this seems... funny."I wonder would you still be smiling if it was your friends and family lying on the ground dead and being pissed on."Like, when you kill someone and then emulate tea-bagging over their dead body. It's about humiliation."So, you should never have respect for your opponent?"We won, you lost, now suck on this"Thats one of the most dishonourable things I've ever heard. There's only one thing worse than a bad loser, and thats a bad winner."War is a video game and the soldiers are the players."No, war is real, join your army and you'll find that out pretty fucking quickly."The Taliban lost this one since they're dead."The Taliban never had a chance, when the Russian's invaded the Taliban were a pretty strong fighting force, especially given the training and weaponry they received from the CIA, they had about 100,000 well trained, well armed fighters, but the war with Russia devastated them, whilst also causing Russia severe damage. This really didn't change all that much in the 20 years after the war, so when the US invaded, they were always going to roll over them pretty easily, however I'm still amazed at their resilience, they jsut don't fucking give up, no matter how badly you bomb them, or kill them, or hunt them down with drones, they still try to pick you off any way they can, this is why you've lost in Afghanistan, you jsut don't know it yet. "It doesn't even matter if he shot his own claymore, the opposing force still has the right to teabag their enemy."They have no such right, they have the chioce, they choose to do it because they have no respect."Now, maybe I'm too separated from reality"No you're pretty in line with most americans, especailly the army, like when Mrs. Clinton said it wasn't consistent with american values, she must have been neglecting the entire history of US foreigh policy. It's entirely consistent with the values if the US military has demonstrated overseas."I'm quite sure the families of those Taliban soldiers"How do you know they are Taliban? I mean really, they don't seem to have any weapons, they look quite young, maybe they took them before they started pissing on them, how are we to know? Maybe they were Taliban, but they still had no weapons, all I can see is an overturned wheelbarrow.And please don't come back with "US marines wouldn't kill innocents and piss on them" or " they wouldn't have killed them if they were unarmed" because thats bull."We're at war, get over it"You're occupying another persons country, you are occupiers, you invaded a country that never threatened you in any way militarily. Don't call this a war as if it sanitises what you've done, the whole world can see what you do.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

I wonder would you still be smiling if it was your friends and family lying on the ground dead and being pissed on.A great analogy for this bullshit would be: Do you smile when you fuck your girlfriend? Now, would you smile if someone else fucked your girlfriend?So, you should never have respect for your opponent?I don't just give out respect. Unless they gave me a good fight, I ain't gonna respect shit.bad winnerBad, good. it's all good, baby babeh.No, war is real, join your army and you'll find that out pretty fucking quicklyHellooooooo Mr. Literal.The Taliban never had a chance...Cool story, bro.They have no such right, they have the chioce, they choose to do it because they have no respect.Well, right means they're allowed. To me... they should be allowed. No you're pretty in line with most americansOh, thank goodness. I thought I was a sociopath, for a sec.How do you know they are Taliban?How do you know that General Relativity is true? No one knows. Let's just assume, since everyone is saying they are. If it turns out they were innocents... sure, condemn them. Currently, though, that is not the case.You're occupying another persons countryGlad I got inb4 you did, but I'm not talking legal War.I suppose you don't know my position on most of these things, but I see the whole situation as a fucked up situation (including the warccupation). However, I STILL don't give a shit if some marines piss on dead taliban members.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"I don't just give out respect. Unless they gave me a good fight, I ain't gonna respect shit.I don't just give out respect. Unless they gave me a good fight, I ain't gonna respect shit."I respect anyone that resists slavery in the face of insurmountable odds i.e.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-U0uR6lHEI "Bad, good. it's all good, baby babeh."No, its just bad."Cool story, bro."ya, its called history, you should look it up some time."How do you know that General Relativity is true?"Well, its been observed using telescopes, its been verified empirically, and it has rigorous mathematical formalism to back it up."No one knows. Let's just assume, since everyone is saying they are."Ya, lets just assume all those people that have been interned in Gitmo and tortured were terrorists, even though many were been released without charge after serving years in prison.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

oh, so you want to change the subject.not into that.the topic is "marines urinating on Taliban".are you... saying that this is all fabricated?
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"oh, so you want to change the subject."No, it was just rather difficult to respond to your post, it was lacking in any substantive content."are you... saying that this is all fabricated?"No, but there's a lot more reason to suspect they were unarmed, or weren't Taliban, than there is to suspect General Relativity is false. If I had to guess, I'd say they probably were Taliban, or Taliban supporters (as much of the country is) as the marines most likely had some motive for killing them, I also think it's likely they had no weapons, and were thus, killed in cold blood, I mean, why are there no weapons in the video?, why is there a turned over wheelbarrow and no weapons?It seems likely the marines caught them by surprise when they were unarmed, then decided to piss all over them and tape, not exactly behaviour deserving of respect.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Okay, so YOU believe there's more to the topic than what we have been debating.As stated, sure, killing unarmed civilians is wrong.However, I'm not going to say that the idea is unfunny ONLY BECAUSE you think they're hiding something.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"Okay, so YOU believe there's more to the topic than what we have been debating."I think there's a good of chance of it, although I admit I am biased when it comes to this, and I don't need to be told I'm only speculating, but given the absolute treasure trove of purposely hidden atrocities committed by the US in Iraq I don't think it's a ridiculous assumption. "However, I'm not going to say that the idea is unfunny"I don't see what is so funny about pissing on a dead body, now, pissing on a live body, that's a different story.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Stupid

Its funny because it seems as if you support the Taliban. I certainly hope that isn't the case. That would be exactly what you accuse everyone else and I mean EVERYONE of being which is of course ignorant.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

"Its funny because it seems as if you support the Taliban. I certainly hope that isn't the case."No, that's just your propaganized brain telling you that because I don't fall in line with the rest of the sheep,obviously the opinion I hold must be the inverse. I don't have to support an organisation to respect it."I mean EVERYONE of being which is of course ignorant."Please stop putting words in my mouth.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

In terms of "celebrating a victory" as in gaming and competition, i see where you're coming from.If it where a game of ping-pong, and you would do a victory dance, it would be appropriate, since the nature of the game is trying to win it. In the same way the Marines won this round of the war-game.Yet, is a "victory dance" appropriate in the case of a war? What is the goal achieved that they are celebrating?For them, killing or capturing the opposing soldiers is their goal. Yet on a higher level, the intent of war is to bring peace and happiness to as many as people as possible (ironically enough). And having to go to war to achieve that is the last resort solution after everything else has failed.So in conclusion, what peeing on those corpses is also saying is "here we celebrate that we did not find a peaceful way out of this conflict, and feel fine and happy with settling this issue in this manner."
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Marines are not the same as politicians who tell them to go kill people.Marines' goals are victory over the enemy. What politicians say is the goal is their excuse, not the military's. We're hiring people to kill others; I hardly see where we expect them to be civil and decent.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: wrong

I agree that the closer you are to the actual killing in the chain of command, the harder it must become to see the overall picture. Your argument is useful in understanding -why- they did it. But i don't agree that it also forces us to tolerate this behaviour.I'm sure there are plenty of jobs where you perform tasks given to you by superiors, where you don't see or understand the bigger picture, and your own personal goal is not the same as those giving you the task. In each of these jobs, there are moral rules to adhere to. Granted, the job of a Marine to kill someone is an extreme, but never the less, i don't see how it means a free ticket to do whatever.Is it impossible for soldiers to act on higher ideals? Take the following story:In Japan there is a story surrounding the Samurai. They also worked as some sort of police/military force. When one of the Samurai was sent out to kill a target, the Samurai entered his home, took out his sword, and was about to kill his target. The man spit in the face of the Samurai, upon which he put his sword away and walked out without killing his target. He did so because he became angry at this person, and followed a moral code that he was to execute commands without personal feelings.I'm curious. Would you draw a line somewhere? If their job is to get victory over the enemy, and killing them is the ultimate form of disrespect. What other atrocities would you allow them to do?Take for example if they had to kill a woman. Would it be ok for them to torture her for days first, without reason to do so. Then rape her, cut her up, send her body parts to her loved ones (surely they've also already disrespected them)? Or would you still say "They're Marines, what do you expect?"So, summary: Where would you draw the line?
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

You don't have to tolerate it if you find it morally wrong. However, I see no reason to punish them.As for murder targets, do what you want with them. I, personally, am against War in general. So to me, anything hurting public relations may only have people realize the atrocity of war itself. So really... I don't have much of a moral code. non-infringement is the closest to one.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

i dont really find this topic funny as much as stupid, i really don't see a reason for the marines to pee on the Taliban, but i could care less what they did with the bodys. although i do think that the marines should not have done it because america should hold a higher standard for what our men do, however i just cant call it a horrible thing to do.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

dead men's bodies don't deserve respects. they're just bodies, that's all. it's as if the marines were urinating on rocks. moreover, they're Taliban, the ones who plunged this world into terror, they deserve nothing but death and disrespect!!! if you dispute my argument, you must be speaking with morality... oh come on, showing morality toward the dead?the terrorists?
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

"moreover, they're Taliban,"How do you know that? From looking at the video they look like very young, more boys than men, I don't see any guns near their bodies, I mean did they remove the weapons these supposed fighters had on them before they decided to piss on them, just because we've been told they were taliban fighters doesn't make it so, I can see a wheelbarrow near their corpses, what kind of terrorist shows up to a gun fight with a wheelbarrow and no gun?"the ones who plunged this world into terror"This the exact opposite of the truth, the Taliban never attacked anyone outside their own country, you're thinking of AL Queda. Al Queda attack on the twin towers was not a act of war, it was a crime, but the US treated it as a act of war an invaded two countries that had nothing to do with it, and launced a war of terror on anyone who disagreed with them. "they deserve nothing but death and disrespect!!! "Maybe you deserve nothing but death adn disrespect, seriously people as uninformed as you are dangerous, I just hope you never get any real power."if you dispute my argument, you must be speaking with morality... oh come on, showing morality toward the dead?the terrorists?"The US are responsible for up to 600,000 dead in Iraq since 2003, does that not make them terrorists?Really, you have a funny definition of the word terrorist, like when US troops level the Iraqi town of fallujah, killing thousands of people in one day, women and children being blown into little pieces, thats just collateral damage, not terrorism, cause when you do it, it can't be called terrorism, right?What the US sanctions on Iraq that casued the deaths of 500,000 children by starvation and lack of proper healthcare, is that not terrorism? The US wanted to cripple Saddams regime because their former puppet was no longer playing by their rules(see video)
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

~Im not actually clarifying, i just chose this because I am nuetral and bringing up something that influences peoples opinions.~A reason it is considered so horrible is because of religion and personal morals.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Just hilarious. I've peed on a few myself. I mean it's just so fun.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

thats hilarious seeing a really mature marine helping ur country pissin on a tali witch all they do is kill themselves anyways so aw well
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

I don't think it's funny, but I don't think it's "horrible" either. Yes, they should have respected the lives they had just taken, but you know what? I'm not in their shoes. I can't judge their actions if I have never been in a situation remotely like their's.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

We ask our YOUNG servicemen and women to go into countries and participate in God only knows…things that we as normal citizens can't even fathom. They put their lives on the line for us…risking it all, life and limb. They witness friends die horrible deaths. They do this peeing thing and they are treated like this? Outrageous. It might not have been the best idea…but geese oh petes. Do you think that our enemies families care that our military is treated poorly? Ask Daniel Pearls family what they think? Ask any POW how they were treated….They should lose a weeks pay and thats it.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Not funny per se; I'm sorry the Marines let those pics into the public without concealing their identities. I honestly could care less about the dead hadji's getting desecrated but the Marines represent America so they should have done more to protect the image of our country.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

In the beginning I judged them, but I have realized that I am wrong. I would have done the same thing.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

Oh they get to blow up the fucking twin towers but we can't do the natural thing and go to the bathroom, outdoors. Bull crap.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

Unacceptable. By any standard. How are we supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard than our enemies if we so freely commit deplorable acts?How are we any better than our enemies?This is disgusting. The soldiers should be dishonorably discharged immediately. Killing a human should (even in war) be a burden, not something funny.-Shame on them.
Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Horrible.

It is weird how we think that it is unacceptable. But i think the reason is morality. Morality is the reason why we find this act horrible and why we find the death of a bird no different than the death of the child. It is within the human mind, the human morality, which concludes this act as a horrible act. But outside morality, this act is acceptable and the death of a bird is equal in comparision to the death of a child. I have no evidence, so i can't this is knowledge. But i believe this is true.