azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Your argument is invalid:"I use gay to describe things that are lame, usually. No one says lame, though, so gay is just a better word. Considering that it has about 3 other definitions, adding lame really isn't that big a deal to me. I mean, gay means happy, colorful and homosexual. And with modern youth, it can also mean lame/stupid."Your argument in logical form:1. We need a commonly-word to describe "lame" things. (Premise)2. The word "lame" is rarely used (Premise)3. Therefore, we need a new, more commonly-used word to describe "lame" things (from 1,2)4. The word "gay" is commonly-used (Premise)5. Therefore, we should use the word "gay" to describe things previously described as "lame" (from 3,4)My counterexample illustrates that your argument is built on invalid reasoning:1. We need a commonly used word to describe "mortifying" things (Premise)2. The word "mortifying" is rarely used (Premise)3. Therefore, we need a new, more commonly-used word to describe "mortifying" things (from 1,2)4. The word "straight" is commonly-used (Premise)5. Therefore, we should use the word "straight" to describe things previously described as "mortifying" (from 3,4)This counterexample follows identical logical form to your argument, but as you can see, the conclusion does not follow logically from the premises, regardless of their truth value. Thus the argument is invalid. There are several reasons why the conclusion does not follow logically:A. Why should we choose the word "straight" to describe things that used to be called by the rarely used word "mortifying"? Any number of other words would work. The choice seems arbitrary.B. the word "straight" already has several meanings (e.g., referring to an angle of zero degrees, or a heterosexual person), but it is not the only word with several meanings already, so why not choose another?C. Because the word "straight" has one connotation that defines a group of people based on sexual orientation, it might be offensive or hurtful to heterosexuals if we used the word "straight" to mean "mortifying", which means "causing extreme shame or embarrassment". Incidentally, "mortification" is what people who willfully use the word "gay" in a derogatory sense should probably feel. Check out my argument on the "no" side of this debate for an explanation of how using the word "gay" in a derogatory sense hurts people.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I'm not saying we HAVE to do anything. My logic is built on the fact that it's OKAY that this is what it has become. The youth (which I guess I'm still part of) use this expression commonly to describe lame or stupid things, and that's okay for w/e reasoning. Words are words and we decide what their impact may be.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

It might be "OK" from the point of view of the law, or from the point of view that we can ascribe meanings to words however we want. I don't disagree with this. However, when you are changing the meaning of a word that describes a group of people, and using it to represent a synonym for "bad" or "stupid", It doesn't seem to be okay from the standpoint of compassion for our fellow human beings. You have tagged your arguments with "yes, its not hurting any body." If you want to see why this is not so, check out my argument on the other side where I provide evidence that it does indeed hurt people.I like that you are standing up for free speech, but I think you'll agree that free speech should not come at the expense of hurting people for no reason.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I consider hurt to be physical. I don't give a shit about emotions, they're merely restrictions on intellect (usually, obviously they do good in the art world).The mere fact is that Homosexuals shouldn't just monopolize the term gay just because they feel like it. The next generation has taken the word, just how they took the word. They can either get used to it or keep on bitching, but that really isn't going to change the mind of Generation Y or Z.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

"I don't give a shit about emotions, they're merely restrictions on intellect"Would you agree that my counterexample to your argument above was interesting and intellectually rigorous, even if you disagree with it? If so, you should know that the reason I wanted to present that argument to you was because of emotion. Without emotion, I would not have been able to construct that rational argument because I would have had no motivation to do so.Emotions have an important place in our ability to relate to other human beings, on our creativity, and our ability to be whole human beings. Check out Seymour Epsteins's Cognitive-Experiential-Self-Theory (CEST) for an interesting psychological theory which explains the inter-related nature of reason and emotion. Each is crippled without the other.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

But being offended by words is ILLOGICAL. It is letting your emotions take over, causing bad shit to happen.We all have emotions, it's natural. It's what makes shit like sex and shitting feel good. But we MUST use logic to make sure that those emotions don't regulate our decision making. Decisions must be made based on logic first, and emotion second. Does a word cause REAL (not emotional) harm to someone? No, so then it is not bad.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

I wonder why you don't respond to or try rebutting the points I make, but just continue to repeat the same assertions? That would make for a more interesting and substantive debate, in my opinion. That's why I keep responding to the specific things you say, anyway. Have you had time yet to read the article on micro-aggressions I posted?"Does a word cause REAL (not emotional) harm to someone? No, so then it is not bad."Okay, so your position on harm is that if it's not physical, it's not really harm. So then, If I were to somehow manage to steal all the money from your bank account, you don't think I'd be harming you? After all, I wouldn't have hurt you physically. If your response to what I just said is that the money you have affects the quality of your physical life, and therefore my stealing of it harms you, then you have fallen into my trap, because emotions affect the quality of our physical lives,as well as our ability to make good decisions. Science has demonstrated this with a high degree of consensus.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

only if you LET emotions effect the quality of your life, sure. But I don't. People can say countless shit and it won't actually do anything to me... why? Because one can only LET those words hurt them.If you steal my money, I CAN'T buy food or things. You have deprived me of the ability to do so. If you call me a name, I won't mind it, because I'm not some irrational dumb ass who gets pissed at words. Those words have NO EFFECT if I DON'T LET THEM. I'm trying to push this as hard as possible into your head. It ALL DEPENDS ON THE OFFENDEE. Not on the offender. But if you steal money, you have deprived me of something physically that limits what I am able to do in life.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

"I'm trying to push this as hard as possible into your head. " For someone who trumpets the value of rationality, You have yet to even attempt a logical proof or show a shred of evidence for your opinions. On the other hand, I have provided you with both logical proofs and scientific evidence. You claim you are trying to "push" something into my head. You would have a much easier time if you supported your positions.I might be willing to accept those claims more easily if I hadn't studied a vast body of cognitive-neuroscience and psychological literature that indicates the important role of emotions in our lives."because I'm not some irrational dumb ass who gets pissed at words."Have you even been looking at my arguments? I am presenting them in a pretty cool, rational way, and unlike you, I have refrained from angry rhetorical name-calling or typing in all capitalized letters, both of which you have used in your most recent post. What does this say about how rational each of us is? Please, show me some evidence that psychological harm does not inhibit a person's life. That does not mean tell me more of your opinions. It means show me a scientific study or a carefully thought-out proof or something.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I never refuted that people get their feelings hurt. It's part of the very problem with humanity. duh.What I said is that it's RETARDED that people do... as i keep on saying, words are merely words.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

"What I said is that it's RETARDED that people do... as i keep on saying, words are merely words."Yes, I know. You've said this probably five times now. Each time though, you provide absolutely no reason to support your view. Here are a few things you are doing that don't count as evidence:1) Repeating the same claim as support for itself2) Exclamation points3) Capitalizing words to make them more visibleHere are a few things that would count as evidence1) A scientific study that found that name-calling and words don't hurt people in ways that are legitimate2) A logical proof demonstrating why emotions are not important3) A logical argument showing why the scientific research and arguments I have made are invalid.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

You act like I'm saying "words don't hurt people's feelings".I think I've made it quite clear that I understand that pussies get their feelings hurt pretty easily... no one's refuting that.What I've said about a thousand times which you're not getting is that that is gay. I've been called things... I don't throw a bitch fit over it. Why? Because I am one of the few people in this world who realize that a word can't actually do anything unless I let it. If someone steals from me or chops my arm off, there is a permanent effect that I could not stop. If someone calls me a dipshit, I can either LET IT bother me or not. Your scientific research is nice and all, but it's pretty irrelevant to what I'm saying.I can copypasta some wiki pages for you... but it won't really be relevant either.stop trolling the argument, please.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

The only thing you've managed to prove to me so far is that you have no clue what "reason" and "logic" mean. If you think things like science are irrelevant to factual discussions, then how can you call yourself logical?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

okay, so you have failed to rebut me at all and don't even seem to understand the point I've been trying to make to you.Every post you have made has shown that you have no idea what I've been saying. You've misinterpreted everything and decided to post discussions on the effectiveness of words on the weak minded (most people) instead of actually talking about what I WAS FUCKIN' SAYING.It's sad that you aren't trolling, because this is one of the worst arguments i've gone against (mister guy was worse than you, though, so be happy).
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Of course I understand the point you're making. This is your point: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words may never harm me." I know that's a simplification, but it's the essence of what you're getting at, right? You know that words can hurt people's feelings, but for you, that is only a sign of personal/intellectual weakness, and you think that people shouldn't care about something that hurts their feelings but doesn't have to affect their lives. I get it, man. You don't have to be so nasty about it.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

than why did you go on a rant about something completely irrelevant and attempt to call me illogical?don't try this "nasty about it" bullshit, you've shown your true colors.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Happy=Lame? No.Colorful=Lame? No.People using the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective is, whether the person saying it is educated enough to know it or not, a dis to gay people.You have the freedom to say whatever the fuck you want. Congratulations. But you better know what your saying, and mean it.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Happy=Lame? No.Colorful=Lame? No.Ya see, you should have stopped it there, because that supports my point completely. None of the definitions of gay = lame, because it is a new definition that the next generation has come up with.The very fact that ALL YOUNG PEOPLE use the term to refer to something they find lame shows you how homosexuals no longer have a monopoly on the word. Or at least, shouldn't be allowed to. Stop holding so tightly unto the word, because frankly, young people don't give a shit about your feelings.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

"The very fact that ALL YOUNG PEOPLE use the term to refer to something they find lame shows you how homosexuals no longer have a monopoly on the word."All Young people use the term "gay" to describe "lame" things? That's false. I'm young, I don't use the word that way. Hence, your argument is unsound.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Well first let's be clear as to who those "young people" are.In my experience, they are teenage heterosexual boys, who feel the need to assert their heterosexuality by distancing themselves from all things "gay".So, when they say that something is "gay", they don't mean "lame"... what they mean is that the subject/activity/object described is something that "gay people would do", and therefore it's something "lame" or negative or something that a straight boy shouldn't do no matter what.So let's not pretend that they have given the word a new definition... They use the word with the exact same definition, but in a way that is supposed to be derogatory.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

When someone says that "Transformers was gay", they're not trying to somehow say it was homosexual.It seems you're trying to read the minds of people who AREN'T YOU. Are you suggesting that you know more about me than I do? Because I have called the movies Transformers and Transporter 3 gay. As I keep on saying, homosexuals can't create some monopoly on the term gay. It wasn't always their term; hell, it's still used in the former definitions to this day. It's selfish, if you ask me.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

So from the thousands of words in the English language, you and other people like you, just happened to choose the word "gay" to describe the things you find "lame"?Am I understanding this wright? Are you implying that this is a coincidence? That it has nothing to do with the fact that this word, in our times, is primarily used to describe homosexuality?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

because of it's use towards homosexuality itself? no. Now, the very FIRST few people to do so may have had these intentions, but let's face it, the younger generation is much less homophobic than the older generation yet they are the ones who use the term.If you think I'm a homophobe for saying this word... okay. But as I said, I'm pretty sure I know myself way better than you or others do.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

Having worked at a college for a couple of years now, I would like to share with you some of the conclusions I and all the other teachers have come to about the youngsters using the word "gay" in a derogatory fashion.First of all, they are always boys. Boys between the ages of 13-16. Boys who have a tendency to want to declare to the entire world how straight they are. And they do so not just by using the word "gay" as a derogatory adjective, but by other means as well, such as talking about girls as if they are sex objects, always mentioning breasts etc etc. It's like they are desperate to assert their heterosexuality. Now, whenever the subject of calling things "gay" has been discussed with these boys, either by the principal or the head teachers, it always emerges that the boys used the word "gay" to imply that the activity or object being described is something that a gay person would do, and therefore a straight boy should stay away from. Some of them proclaim that they used it to mean "lame", but very soon after, they also admit that "it's lame because it's what a gay would do". So the use of this word is, in my two year experience, always connected with homophobia.Please note that no girl has ever been found to have used the word "gay" in a derogatory fashion. It's always immature little boys who feel that they have to slate gays in order to be seen as hard-macho-boys. Surely, if this word had a completely different meaning that is not related to homophobia, as you say, then girls would use it as well. But they don't.Let me give you an analogy here. What if white people decided to use the word "black" or "nigger" to describe all things "illegal". What if they said things like "don't steal you idiot, that's black!" or "I would never rape a girl, that's nigger/black". After all, according to you, why should black people have the monopoly on the word "black", wright? And you are indeed wright. Why should they? It also describes a color, a mood etc etc. so why not also use it to describe illegal activity? To use your argument, maybe the very FIRST few people to do so may have had bad intentions, but let's face it, the younger white generation is much less racist that the older generation, so it's OK for them to use "black" to mean "illegal". Wright?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

Well, black is used to describe evil things, and black people have complained about its use.Fortunately for the politically incorrect, we've proven to them that they don't have a monopoly over the word. So we are still able to use black to describe evil or bad things.As for gay, that's a nice "study" you've made, but it sounds a LOT like bullshit to me. Girls where I come from (and I live in a pretty liberal city) say gay as well, and MOST of us call something gay just because it's something that we find lame... we hardly use it to actually describe something that a homosexual would do.But go ahead, live in your judgment world where everyone HAS to be the way you describe them just so you can further your ideology.
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

You know what sounds like bullshit to me? Your pathetic excuses at trying to justify your bullying ways.It always amazes me, how the first excuse to come out of a bully's mouth, is that it's the victim's fault for allowing themselves to get hurt! Talk about bullshit!Out of all the words in the English language you just couldn't help yourself but pick the word "gay" to describe things you find "lame"! Using the word LAME to describe things that are "lame" just wasn't enough for you! Hell no! We need another one! Yes. Let's see. OH I KNOW.... LETS USE "GAY" TO MEAN LAME! It doesn't matter that an entire group of people are going to be upset and hurt by it. It doesn't matter that "gay" is also part of some people's identity. NO. FUCK THAT. FROM NOW ON IT ALSO MEANS LAME! Yeah... But don't you dare accuse me of being homophobic! I like how you accused me of trying to read the minds of people who aren't me, and then you came up with this cherry: MOST of us call something gay just because it's something that we find lame... we hardly use it to actually describe something that a homosexual would do. Who is "we" and how the hell do YOU know what the rest of "we" thinks? Talk about hypocrisy!
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: yes, its not hurting any body.

I would assume that the people who do the same thing as me are thinking like me, but for your sake, I'll apologize.And you know what, fuck you. If this is really how you will debate, fine. I don't fuckin' care anymore if this is how you will decide to make a point, cool. Hell, I'll even go along with it, just for the fun of it.I'll even support your view.List of un-pc things to say which I will say because I'm just some homophobic faggot:ballsdickcunttitsniggerfaggotqueerAIDS victimretardmidgetblackyblack cunt nigger dickpurple cuntcunt fagballs faganus lickershit cunt dick ballsthe gaybitch holeassholecuntholedickholetongue in assbig stupid faggot with a fat head and gay shit in his brain, cause he's stupid, gay and a faggot.I wonder how many people died from the words I've said. I hope a lot of them were queers and minorities and Jews and shit, cause I'm just some homophobic bully, right? That's why I treat everyone like an asshole. I'm so racist, I hate the ENTIRE human race, even people of my own race. I hate atheists and theists. I hate EVERY FUCKIN' PERSON IN THE WHOLE FUCKIN' WORLD. I've done horrible, selfish things to people because I felt that they deserved it. Not because they were of a certain race, but because I am borderline Sociopath.So call me a homophobic bully, it's really a step up from being a Nihilist Misanthrope... right?
Debate: Should people use the word "Gay" as a derogatory adjective?
Side: no, its disrespectful an drude

What's the matter? Did I upset your feelings?I call you a bully and you throw a fit.Wow.That's interesting.Especially coming from someone that said:1. "But being offended by words is ILLOGICAL. It is letting your emotions take over, causing bad shit to happen."2. "Does a word cause REAL (not emotional) harm to someone? No, so then it is not bad."3. "only if you LET emotions effect the quality of your life, sure. But I don't. People can say countless shit and it won't actually do anything to me... why? Because one can only LET those words hurt them."4. "If you call me a name, I won't mind it, because I'm not some irrational dumb ass who gets pissed at words. Those words have NO EFFECT if I DON'T LET THEM. I'm trying to push this as hard as possible into your head. It ALL DEPENDS ON THE OFFENDEE. Not on the offender."5. "I never refuted that people get their feelings hurt. It's part of the very problem with humanity. duh. What I said is that it's RETARDED that people do... as i keep on saying, words are merely words."6. "I think I've made it quite clear that I understand that pussies get their feelings hurt pretty easily... no one's refuting that."7. "I've been called things... I don't throw a bitch fit over it. Why? Because I am one of the few people in this world who realize that a word can't actually do anything unless I let it.".Seeing as you have thrown a fit over me calling you a pathetic bully, it is safe to assume, from your own words, that you are an ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL DUMB ASS, RETARDED, PUSSY, who throws a fit everytime someone calls you a name that pisses you off. Well done.