azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I was looking for something reflective of their actual vote rather than prospective, but fair enough - I can find a poll that says the Military favored Obama - ref; my original statement stands - the ad populum argument of how veterans vote does not mean Obama did nothing for the military.> largest spending increase in 30 years for the Department of Veterans Affairs to improve medical facilities and national cemeteries, and to assist states in acquiring or constructing state nursing homes and extended care facilities.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/30/veterans-salute-president-obama-on-funding-for-va/> Funded recruitment and retaintion of more Veterans Administration mental health professionals ref> Signed the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act to help the Department of Veterans Affairs stabilize budgets.ref> Green jobs training for Veteranshttp://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/vets/ VETS20100823.htm http://blogs.usda.gov/2013/11/08/veterans-find-training-jobs-with-the-u-s-forest-service/ > The Vow to Hire Heroes Act of 2011 - includes:Returning Heroes Tax Credit - a new hiring tax credit that incentives firms to hire unemployed veteransThe Wounded Warrior Tax Credit - doubles the existing tax credit for longHterm unemployed veterans with service-connected disabilities.ref> Established business accelerators focused on training/mentoring Veterans in starting and maintaining small businesses.http://www.whitehouse.gov/startup-america-fact-sheet > Will facilitate travel for families of fallen soldiers to be on hand at Dover AFBhttp://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=53545 > Signed the post-9/11 GI Bill which just a few days ago had its 1 millionth beneficiaryhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/08/va-serves-one-millionth-post-911-gi-bill-beneficiary > Issued Executive Order to address suicide prevention, homelessness, and mental health services for Veteranshttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/08/31/fact-sheet-president-obama-signs-executive-order-improve-access-mental-h http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-30/software-aims-to-match-military-veterans-with-civilian-jobs > Challenged companies to hire or train 100,000 vets, and helped coordinate matching vets to companies. The goal was exceeded by 25%.http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/08/22/remarks-first-lady-joining-forces-veterans-hiring-event > Provided relief for Veterans hurt by the mortgage crisis and bank abuseshttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/06/fact-sheet-president-obama-announces-new-steps-provide-housing-relief-ve
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Rather than the 'accomplishment' column, I'll just put this in the 'progress in the right direction' column since there is still a lot that needs done.The Obama administration expanded eligibility for Agent Orange and Gulf War disability claims (extending the allowable claim period and the presumptive illnesses), but those contributed to an already huge problem with backlogged disability claims resulting from Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, but the backlog is finally coming down.> The backlog has decreased by 34% since March of this year.> A record number of claims has been handled in each of the past three years> The accuracy of assessing claims has improved> 99.4 percent of claims older than 2 years and 93 Percent of claims older than 1 year have been completed.ref refrefrefref - 3 new presumptive illnesses related to Agent Orangeref - Presumptive dates for Agent Orange exposure extended by just over 2 yearsref - Nine new presumptive illnesses for Gulf War vetsref - Gulf War illness eligibilty window extended 5 years
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

21) Sanctions on IranAnd they're now creating new ones, which aren't going very wellObama was able to get Russia and China to back the sanctions refFor the 1st time in more than 30 years our leaders are talking, and are discussing lifting some sanctions in return for Iranian concessions on their nuclear program. refToday, Iran signed an agreement to start allowing IAEA to inspect some of its facilities ref22) Dirtiest Power PlantsIt's better for the environment, but it's also costing jobs.The need for energy still exists - so those employees will go to work in cleaner plants and/or jobs will be created in other energy sectors23) Passed Credit Card ReformsI don't know much about this one, so alrightYou can always look it up24) Pay Equality LawsAlright25) Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Courtonly impressive to other liberalsand people who care about having the diversity of the Court at least somewhat correspond to the public at large (Sotomayor and Kagan are the 3rd and 4th women to ever be on the Court; Sotomayor is the only Hispanic on the Court) - so, yeah, mostly liberals.26) Improved Food Safety SystemOkay27) New START TreatyYou think they're keeping to their agreement? I doubt itThat's why we operate under 'trust but verify' http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R41201.pdf 28) Expanded National ServiceI'll give it to him29) Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protectionalright30) Gave the FDA Power to Regulate TobaccoObama's a smoker himselfad hominem tu quoque
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

31) Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green LeadersI'm not impressedDoesn't make it not so.32) Fair Sentencing ActYou could look at it two ways, he's helping criminals get out of jail sooner (which he is) or he's saving tax payer dollars. The question is, do you like the fact that this helps criminals?You could look at it a third way, that it reduces the disparity between crack cocaine and powder cocaine from 100:1 down to 18:1 and increases fines and sentences for many criminals. ref33) Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defensehe was planning on blowing up Syria's chemical weapons, if you don't remember that discussion we had not too long ago.perhaps it is you who didn't remember, the topic that is... (it's Missle Defense)34) Began Post-Post-9/11 Military BuilddownHe's a hypocritead hominem tu quoque againSee also35) Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon MissionNASA is practically dead because of himRetiring the space shuttle program after the completion of the space station had been the plan since 2004 refObama increased NASA's budget in 2009 and 2010 and all of his budgets have given NASA more nominal dollars than they got in 2008 so their cut has only been a fraction of inflation. ref36) Invested Heavily in Renewable TechnologySpend, spend, spend... he just keeps increasing the debtSo, if he cuts spending he's wrong, and if he increases spending he is wrong?Investing in renewable energy lessens our dependence on foreign nations and will reduce spending in the long term.37) Crafting Next-Generation School TestsThe site you got this list from couldn't even come up with fifty accomplishmentsI assume she got it from this, or a derivitive. I posted a list here with a few more.38) Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit CollegesThat hasn't been going too wellSome of the rules have been blocked in the courts and are in the process of being rewritten, but the industry has been losing students and stock prices have dwindled and schools are definitely changing.ref ref ref39) Improved School Nutritionwas that really worth billions of dollars in spending?First, the bill spends less than half a billion a year refSecond, if in the long run it saves billions in the cost of health care for diseases related to obesity (not to mention the lives of the people involved), then, yes.40) Expanded Hate Crimes Protectionswas it worth $680 billion?680 Billion was the cost for the entire National Defense Authorization Act of 2010, not the cost of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act which was a rider to the bill.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

35.Obama increased NASA's budget in 2009 and 2010 and all of his budgets have given NASA more nominal dollars than they got in 2008 so their cut has only been a fraction of inflation.Why do you guys celebrate it as the killing of the moon mission and retiring the space shuttle instead of him making NASA better?39.First, the bill spends less than half a billion a yearWon't that add up to billions after a few years?40.680 Billion was the cost for the entire National Defense Authorization Act of 2010, not the cost of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act which was a rider to the bill.Either way, the idea of hate crimes only perpetuates racism instead of getting rid of it.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

35) Why do you guys celebrate it as the killing of the moon mission and retiring the space shuttle instead of him making NASA better?Since it wasn't my list I will post Washington Monthly's justification for why they thought it was a good thing:"Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life."A report by NASA said Constellation would likely not be ready to reach the ISS before the ISS is planned to be discontinued. refI think Obama would contend the he is improving NASA by eliminating poor programs, bringing in the private sector, and focusing on other goals: robotic exploration, heavy lift rocket, asteroid landing, Mars, etc."we will actually reach space faster and more often under this new plan, in ways that will help us improve our technological capacity and lower our costs, which are both essential for the long-term sustainability of space flight. In fact, through our plan, we’ll be sending many more astronauts to space over the next decade."ref39) Won't that add up to billions after a few years?Won't any positive number add up to billions eventually?Care to address the substance, namely the Second part?40) Either way, the idea of hate crimes only perpetuates racism instead of getting rid of it."Either way"? - so, you only care about hundreds of billions of dollars if you think they can be blamed on Obama?perpetuates racismyour evidence is?The existence of a hate crimes law doesn't make/keep someone bigoted.Federal hate crimes laws allow the federal government to prosecute cases that local governments do not as a backstop against local governments that won't prosecute based on the nature of the crime. They additionally address the terroristic element of some hate crimes which intimidate others in the affected class.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I think Obama would contend the he is improving NASA by eliminating poor programs, bringing in the private sector, and focusing on other goals: robotic exploration, heavy lift rocket, asteroid landing, Mars, etc.Too bad his supporters are too dumb to represent him that way.Won't any positive number add up to billions eventually?Care to address the substance, namely the Second part?You didn't why should I. There is a huge difference in a program that will only take 5 years to reach billions and claiming it doesn't cost billions, and a program that would take 10,000 years to cost billions and claim it doesn't cost billions.so, you only care about hundreds of billions of dollars if you think they can be blamed on Obama?I was saying that the amount of money involved doesn't matter and I wasn't holding the amount against Obama.The existence of a hate crimes law doesn't make/keep someone bigoted.It takes a bigot to write hate crime law, sorry it has to. It is literally impossible for hate crime law to not be written by a bigot based on what hate crime law is.Federal hate crimes laws allow the federal government to prosecute cases that local governments do not as a backstop against local governments that won't prosecute based on the nature of the crime. They additionally address the terroristic element of some hate crimes which intimidate others in the affected class.Oh, so now randomly generic laws are a good thing. That's news to me.your evidence is?When you look at a crime and decide what the punishment is based on the race of the people involved, that's racism, plain and simple.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

45) S-CHIP predates ObamaCare by more than a decade.Guess who wasn't president more than a decade ago. Why does he get credit here?Item 45 didn't credit Obama with creating CHIP - it said that he expanded CHIP to cover an additional 4 million children."45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products."
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

It is part of Obamacare and it isn't his idea. Why does it deserve a separate number like it is some sort of accomplishment?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Expanding it is. One bill can accomplish multiple things.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

You guys had to stretch pretty far to hit 50. Did you strain any muscles?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

If you recall, that wasn't my list. (In fact it wasn't Centifolia's list either; it was from Washington Monthly)I linked to a list I did hereI also posted several here until I was banned.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

If you recall, that wasn't my list.If you recall you defended it anyway. Now you admit it is a bad list.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I didn't defend the idea that he only has 50 accomplishments. I defended individual elements of the list and stand by my rebuttals.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

In fact I have added other accomplishments as arguments to this debate and pointed you to 2 other places where I have listed several more.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

No, what you are saying is that you don't like the list, and you think you should be defending it.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I am saying your comment that: "You guys had to stretch pretty far to hit 50" is without merit since I have not only defended nearly every item on the list, but also submitted several others and have linked to other debates where I have posted several more.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

You yourself said the items weren't equivalent. You agree that it was a big stretch.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

You're really having a hard time with this one, eh? will short near-monosyllabic sentences help:List had 50 things.I think he did more than that.They are not equal.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

and yes, that's a haiku bitches!!!!
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Do you think he had 50 accomplishments on the level of saving the car industry? Plain and simple. You are defending a list that says otherwise.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Did Washington Monthly, or Centifolia, or I, or the debate topic, or anyone (except for you) say anything about the accomplishments all being at the same (arbitrary and ambiguous) level of importance as saving the car industry?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Nope. So you are big enough to admit he doesn't have 50 car industry saving accomplishments, thank you.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

There is no quantitative valuation for accomplishments. The threshold is whether it was good or not. They are posted on a debate site so if you feel that an accomplishment does not exceed that threshold, feel free to (attempt to) debate it.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I did, and you agreed it wasn't a great accomplishment. I am not sure if I can really do much more than that.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Saying that something should be judged on its own merits is, of course, not the same as saying it is not a great accomplishment. I have not said that any of the accomplishments are big or small or great or magnificent. In fact, I have specifically intimated that such a valuation is unfeasible.If you can't debate the substance, just make something up, eh?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Saying that something should be judged on its own merits is, of course, not the same as saying it is not a great accomplishment.I didn't mean to imply that. I thought you were saying that it means it is a great accomplishment.I have not said that any of the accomplishments are big or small or great or magnificent.See, Obama supporters don't know how to make him look good.You did say they are not equal though:They are not equal.How do you describe someone who can tell things aren't equal but also says it is impossible to tell if they are equal?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Too bad his supporters are too dumb to represent him that wayThe headline out of context may not be worded in the best way, but the full context was part of Centifolia's post."35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life."
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

In context just sounds like he decided to cut funding to NASA without coming up with something better to spend the money on. Then telling the private companies to do space exploration. How is that improving NASA?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

just sounds like he decided to cut funding to NASA without coming up with something betterIt says "... in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life." (emphasis added)Explicitly showing that Obama supported alternatives and lists more than just "telling the private companies" to do it.The list was a summary, not a treatise.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Explicitly showing that Obama supported alternatives and lists more than just "telling the private companies" to do it.What the heck is private sector to you? support for private-sectorThat sounds like Obama giving up on NASA.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

That sounds like Obama giving up on NASA.The full sentence (once again) is:"Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life."The ventures with the private-sector for low-earth orbit are a substitute for the Constellation program - not NASA as a whole.And I apparently must repeat that it mentions "research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life."It is becoming fairly obvious how someone so unwilling or unable to become aquainted with the facts has such a distorted perception of Obama.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The ventures with the private-sector for low-earth orbit are a substitute for the Constellation program - not NASA as a whole.That statement only mentions taking away money from NASA and not making NASA any better.And I apparently must repeat that it mentions "research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life."Is that supposed to be NASA or private sector?It is becoming fairly obvious how someone so unwilling or unable to become aquainted with the facts has such a distorted perception of Obama.I don't like his followers because they don't know how to make him look good.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

It takes a bigot to write hate crime law, sorry it has to. It is literally impossible for hate crime law to not be written by a bigot based on what hate crime law is.If a hate crime law is directed at crimes based on race, then it applies to white on black and black on white crime and is racially neutral.Also, it doesn't care about the actual race of the participants only the race (or other factor) as perceived by the perpetrator.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

If a hate crime law is directed at crimes based on race, then it applies to white on black and black on white crime and is racially neutral.A) It is not written that way, or it is not enforced that way.B) If it were written that way, why would you need it? Also, it doesn't care about the actual race of the participants only the race (or other factor) as perceived by the perpetrator.No, it is how other people perceive what the perpetrator perceived.