Debate: Capitalism or Socialism
Side: Socialism

This is a free country...Freedom is a human idea. Believe in it too much and it'll be that much easier to take it away from you. Which is why not only this country isn't as free as some people think due to a horrible market system, but is also why you are so brainwashed into not realizing that you have no rights in comparison to someone that has more money then you.If all the competition was destroyed then why didn't he move?Because money doesn't grow on trees, and the housing market has a bad reputation of being horrible most of the time....why didn't your mother get a job also?Because we never had enough money to hire a baby sitter when me and my brother were children, and when we were grown up enough to take care of ourselves, my mother was too sick to get a job that would relieve her and my father's financial stress.When you say a responsible customer you mean?He used the card only when needed and always paid the credit card bills on time.Credit card companies just don't "rape" bank accounts...In the beginning when the recent recession hit, one of the primary problems that was a result of it was that the credit card companies began to tank and increase their interest rates universally on most or all of their customers, sometimes overnight. This is suppose to be common knowledge. Because of the credit card companies having to do this, my father's bank account was raped over night by sudden late fees and high interest rates despite the fact that he was a responsible customer.Again I go back to why...I just explained why: money doesn't grow on trees and my mother got too sick with age and illness.If he can have a credit card then why can't he take a loan out?He did. A few times, because he needed to stop himself from letting his family become homeless. He's still in debt to the banks because of this. Luckily the recession is theoretically over, so he hasn't had to recently.You socialist types usually would think that spending more money would help debt.I don't believe in socialism necessarily, I just use the tag.Also, government spending does help the economy, which is why we aren't in a serious recession anymore. I shouldn't have to explain why government spending helps the economy, but I will if you ask me nicely. And for the record, government spending has nothing to do with socialism.If he was smarter than me then why didn't he excel in any of the options listed above? It's not completely impossible.I don't entirely understand the question, but if you mean 'why wasn't he able to start a business'... then, frankly, I don't need to answer that question. I've already explained to you possibly more then 4 times that money doesn't grow on trees when you're only making enough money to pay the bills and eat and do nothing else.And btw I'M STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL and I can keep up with you...?Ah, of course you're in high school.Keep up with me? Perhaps your mental stamina can, but your arguments aren't keeping up. You're obviously loosing in the eyes of any objective observer of this argument, mostly because you're logic is faulty and you aren't paying attention to some of my points (since you keep asking the same questions over and over again)So if I worked at McDonald's (which I don't) they could physically keep me there? Bullshit.Of course they can't, you're a teenager. You don't need money. But theoretically, they could, if you were in the following situation: If you were a single teenage father that was emancipated, and you and your child were extremely tight on money to the point where you were under the threat of homelessness and starvation, and if McDonald's was the only business that would hire you and give you a salary that would allow you and your child to not suffer, making McDonald's the only option you had to help your child survive... then yes, they could physically, emotionally, philosophically, and psychologically keep you there. Enslave you. And if they were cruel enough to realize that they were your only option, they could torture you.And you could do nothing.Because they would be your only option for your offspring to survive.Now, imagine that situation, except proportionally larger and older in relation to a married adult man with 2 children and a chronically ill wife.Explain to me how I'M the ignoramus or a hypocrite?You're ignoramus because you imply that you think money grows on trees, or that supporting 4 people is cheap and easy, or that businesses care about your well being if they have the ability to hold onto and squeeze your testicles.You're a hypocrite because you're a very young man who thinks he knows everything about this country and it's economics and what it's like to be a struggling father of 2 and the lover of a woman who is suffering an incurable illness when the very fact you admitted to being in high-school means that you know next to nothing about the world in comparison to me.But loans can be a temporary fix until you can excel in a personal business.They were a temporary fix for my father, since they stopped his family from becoming starving homeless people.Yes I'm a hick not a redneck...I don't care about the difference, nor do either seem like compliments to me.Well this hick seems to be telling you off?If 'telling me off' means arguing poorly and arrogantly, yes, you are. And this accomplishes what?OK if your GRANDFATHER started there in 1903 by did you neglect telling that in your main argument.Great grandfather, I.E. ancestor. What does my ancestor have to do with my argument? If you think it has anything to do with my argument, then you apparently have no idea what I'm arguing about. How ironic that you think you know more about what I'm talking about then I do.Wow I'm surprised that you can tell me that there were 0 jobs that would fulfill his salary in that area at all?Why is it so surprising to you that someone from a different part of the country grew up in a town that has been raped by big business, considering you haven't seen barely any of the world to speak of? That's very naive of you.Since it's so surprising, I'll say it again: because big business eliminated so much of it's competition, there was not a single job left in town that would hire a veteran mechanic for a wage that could support 2 to 4 people and also pay off unfounded and justifiable debt over time so that the employed mechanic and his family would not have to suffer homelessness and starvation.This country is capitalist it is I can promise you that we are just using socialist policies.That comment was so stupid I don't care about respecting you anymore.You're a fucking idiot, kid. That was the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. What you just said was self-contradiction. We can't be capitalist AND use socialist policies at the same time. That's like saying 'This fish right here is a lizard, I assure you, is just has gills is all.'And for the record, capitalism is like communism in the sense that they are both perfect as a concept, but in real life, neither of them will ever work, because humans are evil and take advantage of the system. Capitalism is meant to allow everyone to have the ability of free and equal sovereignity over the market, the problem is that capitalism is not supposed to allow big businesses the rights to have more power then smaller businesses. Capitalism is freedom and equality. Our system does not have freedom and equality that capitalism is supposed to provide, and this is because capitalism doesn't truly work in reality because people are too evil and greedy and selfish.Did I once say I was better than you?No, but you're acting like it. We have words for that: arrogance, narcissism, self-absorption, elitism, etc. Unless you're autistic, which I'm sure you aren't since I have autistic family members (and therefore I know what they're like), then you have no way to excuse your obvious arrogance.Everybody is equal other than fagsYou're right, fags like you aren't supposed to be equal.... Wait, did you mean homosexuals? Oh, well, I actually knew that, but I regret to tell you that you're using the word incorrectly. It's unfair to say gays are fags; just because you're gay doesn't necessarily make you a fag.You, on the other hand, are a fag for discriminating against gays by assuming they're all fags like you. Congrats you are both my seniors but you're the first I've met with 0 wisdom.How so? It seems to me that with your revealed bigotry, arrogance, painfully young youth, and obliviousness to my arguments, that I at least have 100% more wisdom then you. You have not provided sufficient evidence to prove otherwise.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA I'm not going to sit here and tell you that corporatism doesn't suck because it does, but corps. do produce jobs and whether most of us like it or not, it puts food on the table.Corporatism does suck, but you're incorrect with everything else you've said.Corporations do not produce jobs, they provide jobs. Jobs are produced by the combined cycle of supply and demand; the needy, poor, and Middle class provide demand for jobs and corporations provide the supply. You can't have one without the other.Also, corporations don't put food on the table, people's back-breaking labor does. Money is a measure of people's physical and sometimes mental labor. If you don't do either of that sort of work to get money the money is worth less, or even absolutely nothing. (which is why the rich's hording of money has made the value of the American dollar go down since the dawn of our country's mock capitalism)If your father was not willing to follow other options then he should have just grew a set of nuts, manned up and delt with it the best he could.You're an elitist twat. I've explained half a dozen times that he had no options. If you're not willing to open your mind to the plight some people have to go through due to our failed mock capitalism, then I suggest you grow a set of nuts, man up, and deal with the humongous amount of hardship you're going to have to pay for during your adult life for your uncanny stupidity during the period of your life that you're supposed to grow up.And you have no right to tell me what I can and can't say on hereRemind me of what I said that provoked this response from you. I don't have good memory when you don't want to bother quoting what you're replying to.And I'm not cheap and I don't appreciate that expectation therefore your telling me your better than me?Remind me again what I said to provoke this reaction, especially the expectation part. But for the record, I don't expect anything of you. Fuck up your own life if you want, I don't care; learning the hard way is still learning. And if you still don't learn even the hard way, I have no problem having your DNA being removed from our gene pool.Also, I don't think I'm better then you, I do on the other hand think I'm smarter, wiser, more knowledgeable, more compassionate, more realistic, more mentally healthy, was more successful, and am more likable to more people then you.And I am more honest then you, undoubtedly, because I am truthfully not being sarcastic when I say that those things I said above does not make me better then you. I don't believe I am and I don't expect you to believe I'm better then you. I do think I am all of those things I just described.I can be civil but you have to admire the options America provides.I do admire the options America provides, but I also scorn the amount of freedom America lacks. I feel bad for you, who feels like the only problems in this country have to do with socialism. Oh Your God, I do feel bad for you... So I'll try to open your mind by saying this: problems this country face will never be because of a single concept or person or set of people. The problems this country will face will always have to do with suffering; the suffering of anybody who does not deserve it, and the people who cause the suffering. Socialism is not only not causing a problem in this country, it is not the source of the problems of this country.The problems of this country are being caused by our horrible economic and political system, because our horrible economic and political system at the moment cause innocent people to suffer horrible, excruciating pain and fates.Son, if you don't soon realize that suffering is caused by things that are right in front of our faces, as opposed to concepts that have almost nothing to do with reality, then you will have to be a very lucky boy to avoid being one of the people who ends up suffering himself. I know I was cursing and being mean to you earlier, but I'm feeling more compassionate now, because I don't think a young man like you is above being saved from this horrendous brainwashing bullshit that is "this country is perfect".This country will never be perfect as long as its systems allows innocent people to suffer. Even if it means we be less "free", it's better that no innocent suffers. Ever.I want you to realize this and at the very least save yourself and your loved ones, future and present, from fates like my family has had to suffer at the hands of government neglect/corporate fascism.