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Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

Ah, sarcasm. So many idiots running around lately is hard to tell when someone's being serious.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big Bang

/facepalm withdrawn
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

another problem is that people are deciding between big bang and god... the two most elementary theories out there.what happened to infinite universe or ultimate energy? at least it took philosophy and logic to figure that shit out.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

Well, really the Big Bang doesn't have anything to do with the origin of the universe. It's just a simple fact that the universe is expanding and therefore must be expanding away from a central point. God could have caused the Big Bang, ten dimensional space rocks could've caused it, there could be an infinite universe, ultimate energy, whatever. The key point is that 1) The Big Bang is a fact and 2) It's impossible to say what caused it.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Trying to explain the unexplainable

How is it possible for a bang to create itself from nothing? Something or someone has to create a bang. There are so many amazing things in this world that are next to impossible to explain, too intricate to be haphazardly put together. A creative genius had to be behind the scenes orchestrating our universe. This being is our God. He created the four chambered heart that beats non-stop in the average person billions of beats during a lifetime. He created animals that have certain adaptations in order to survive in their natural habitat. And the gloriously beautiful things, like a gorgeous sunset with several different hues of orange, yellow and pink, so inspiring that it takes your breath away. I think that only a loving, omnipotent God could create the world we live in with all its complexities and intricacies.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

In the main part of your argument, you are basically reciting the argument from design. The argument from poor design is a strong counter to this:1. A loving, omnipotent God would create organisms that have optimal design.2. Organisms have features that are suboptimal.3. Therefore, God either did not create these organisms or is not loving and omnipotent.One example of poor design: In human females, the birth canal passes through the pelvis. If an infant's head is too big they will not fit and before c-sections death for the mother was the usual result. There are many, many other examples of poor design.Coming back to the beginning of your argument:"How is it possible for a bang to create itself from nothing? Something or someone has to create a bang."It's true that something can't come from nothing, so for the universe to begin there must have been some force behind it. However, this initial force is completely beyond our understanding. There's no reason to assume it was intelligent.Also, the universe did not necessarily begin, it may have simply always existed, perhaps going through an infinite bang / crunch cycle.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

'How is it possible for a bang to create itself from nothing?'We don't know, so let's find out. Assertions without facts and evidence retard our growth.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

I'm in primary school just to make sure u know!Firstly, I believe that God has made the Earth in 7 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My reasons are that the Bible and the Q'uran say's that God said let there be light! Because we'r talking about the Q'uran I just want to say im muslim! back to my conversation... Against this argument scientists say (such as Charles Darwin or Einstein) That there was this huge powerful explosion which made the Earth, moon and sun. As a contribution, I feel that God blew life into humans against this argument once again... Scientist believe (such as bla bla!!) That humans have evolved. But we're talking about the creation of the world, so I just want to say that there must of been something behind this huge force and that can only be GOD understood!!! Thank you for reading! I hope you've enjoyed and learned something with my argument NO QUESTIONS THANK YOU!!!
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

finish your primary school first. then come back and argue.try to read something useful, instead of just the bible or quran.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

i don't believe in big bang, if that's true, then it had to be god. considering the standards that the big bang had, you needed something to regulate it.the big bang theory is a childish theory really, since you actually need god in order to make it work.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

Firstly, you're assuming. And we know what the old saying says about assuming things, right?Secondly, the Big Bang did have a force regulating it; the second law of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium. But I'm sure you already knew that, right? Hurray for science!
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

how exactly does the big bang theory need god in order to work? What needs to be regulated? sorry for my ignorance but i am very curious. from what i remember learning the universe was in a vary dense form supposedly before the big bang, and thus possibly a chemical reaction could be initiated by an increase of temperature that could certainly produce the big bang.if we must ask what came before the big bang, like what was the beginning, than shouldn't we also ask what came before god? i mean if you can't let it go that things could have just existed in a simple form and with great lengths of time become something else, than why can you accept that god just existed without something before god creating god?
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

You don't need an intelligent designer to explain the big bang. Why do you think one is necessary? Any external force could have resulted in the creation of our universe -- and that force was not necessarily intelligent. For example, the big bang could've been caused by two cosmic chucks of ten dimensional space crashing together.The fact is, questions about what came before the big bang are impossible to answer. The laws that govern our own universe probably don't even apply. Saying that God did it without presenting any evidence is just foolish.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

Wow, you're right Pyg. I never thought of it that way. Using science to try and figure stuff out - leading to the Big Bang theory - that's preschool shit. Not like the big magic daddy in the sky theory at all. You must be some kind of intellectual, with your well founded opinions and what not. I feel so inadequate replying to one such as yourself...
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

of course you do, since you're too retarded to understand science in the first place.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

The controversy about the source of the world's creation has for long been a subject of argument amidst people of different scholars. Many, especially those with religious affiliation are always in support of God as the creator while non- religious individuals hold it that the world is as result of many highly complex interactions that resulted as a result of mere coincidence. The present world is so complex and uteerly impossible to have been conceived out of mere coincidence hence the only meaningful explanation so far, is that of being the handiwork of God, substantiated by the Bible which has for long been reliable standing the tests of time, man and science
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

Atheists don't believe the universe was created by "mere coincidence", we just don't think that God did it. Nobody knows how the universe was created.And the complexity of the universe emerges from relatively simple, compounded elemental reactions.[1] Intelligent design just doesn't hold water."substantiated by the Bible which has for long been reliable standing the tests of time, man and science"This part is just crap. The Bible has fared quite poorly against science. Or do you believe in the Garden of Eden?[1] thanks Mahollinder ;)
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big Bang

Firstly, it's not really an argument. The Big Bang theory is pretty much the definitive explanation for the beginning of the universe. What caused the explosion is yet unknown, but to simply say "it was god" without any evidence to back that up is foolish.Now then, let's get onto the point about the universe being so complex, impossible, and other such unsubstantiated claims. I'm sorry that I have to keep bringing this up, but obviously everyone and their mother missed the science class that explained the second law of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium. Order (the perceived complexity of the universe you speak of) is most likely to occur in a closed system which is far from equilibrium. When a closed system is in the equilibrium state, its entropy has reached a maximum value. The entropy of the closed system cannot increase further. Hence, there is no room to compensate for the entropy decrease of a local system within the closed system unless it is accompanied by an entropy increase in a neighboring local system. By contrast, if a closed system is far from equilibrium, its entropy will increase dramatically, which can compensate for a substantial entropy decrease of a local system. Thus, ordered structures are more likely to be created from a non-equilibrium state than an equilibrium state. The Big Bang theory backs up this view of the world. The Big Bang creates an initial universe which contains an enormously high energy density and is extremely far from equilibrium. In order to reach an equilibrium state, the universe expanded rapidly, resulting in dramatic increase in entropy. This compensate perfectly for the entropy decrease due to the formation of ordered structures such as galaxies, stars, planets, life on Earth, etc.Or, you know, it could just be god?And I won't even begin to get into your final point about the bible's reliability.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

I'm in primary school just to make sure u know!Firstly, I believe that God has made the Earth in 7 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!My reasons are that the Bible and the Q'uran say's that God said let there be light! Because we'r talking about the Q'uran I just want to say im muslim! back to my conversation... Against this argument scientists say (such as Charles Darwin or Einstein) That there was this huge powerful explosion which made the Earth, moon and sun. As a contribution, I feel that God blew life into humans against this argument once again... Scientist believe (such as bla bla!!) That humans have evolved. But we're talking about the creation fo the world, so I just want to say that there must of been something behind this huge force and that can only be GOD understood!!! Thank you for reading! I hope you've enjoyed and learned something with my argument NO QUESTIONS THANK YOU!!!
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Planetary formation

If you're talking about the earth, then neither. The big bang theory deals with the beginning of the universe, not specifically the formation of planets. The earth was formed by gravitational forces in a nebulous cloud of dust and gas that formed a star then coalesced into a number of planets around the sun. We can deduce the formation of the earth to the mechanics of natural forces, therefore god doesn't enter into the equation (if you keep to Occam's razor.)Now, the question of the universe's beginning is a much more interesting one for this topic. The big bang theory is gaining more and more evidence to support it, but even it does not explain where the singularity originated from, only that the universe began as the singularity, and it expanded. Science is ever evolving, and we are gaining more knowledge about the workings of the universe every day. We may yet one day discover the origins of the singularity, or we may become extinct before we find out the truth. Either way, I don't see much of a reason to assume a "god" was involved, because that assumption is made to fill in a gap of knowledge, rather than finding hard evidence and then deducing the explanation from that (like science does).The problem with the god explanation is that, in most contexts, god is something beyond physical existence, beyond comprehension, and beyond explanation. It cannot be comprehended where it exists, how it exists, what form it takes, etc. Therefore it's assumed that this being that was pulled from someone's nether regions created the universe because, well, I said so. That's not a very plausible explanation. We've witnessed the "god done did it" assumption be rendered moot time and time again when science discovers the way something works that was previously thought to be the work of a god. Do I know that there was not a god involved? Of course not; but saying "I don't know; let's find out" is a much more logical step than saying "I assume it's god, so let's move on."
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Jesuit

Good call. Saying the Earth was created due to gravity, from the cloud of dust at the begining of our Universe is kind of nit-picking since the dust got there due the Big Bang, but good info. On your comments on god:There's a branch of the Catholic faith called Jesuits, and one of those guys, Saint Anselm, actually came up with a pretty complex theory about god. It's called the Ontological Theory. The premise being - and it's more complex than this, but basically:- Man cannot creat something from nothing.That is, every idea you have, no matter how creative you think it is, comes directly from things you've observed somehow. Like try to think of an animal that doesn't exist, five tails, scales, fly's without wings, whatever. No matter how wild it gets every piece comes from something you've observed. There's nothing "created."- Man has thought of the idea of "something than which nothing greater can exist." It's important to the proof that it doesn't say "all powerful." Just that nothing more powerful may exist. And we call this god.- Since man has no experience of something than which nothing greater can exist, than we must have knowledge of an actual god, and he must exist. Otherwise we never would have thought of him.We give "him" a name, and make him look like us in our heads because we have no other knowledge, but the idea that we can think of the concept - he argues - means he must be.I would argue this proves he doesn't exist, because actually we can't imagine "something than which nothing greater exist." We can only say it. Go ahead, try imagining it, bet you can then imagine something else that can kick "something than which nothing greater can exist's" ass. Proving you never imagined it at all.All that is just to say that not every theory of god is just filler. Some people do make an actual effort. Just not these crazy evangalists that keep popping up, spewing their stupidity on here.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Jesuit

Careful with the Jesuits; they're a wily bunch, too clever by half, and not at all adverse to obscurantism. If I were the pope (and, incidentally, I am not), I would never have allowed them to operate under the Vatican banner. Or, it may be more accurate to say that the popes were never allowed to stop them from operating as such.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: dissent

They were only allowed to operate as such because they were the best at recruiting, gotta keep those coffers full. They dissented from the Church's view all the time. Church's hate it when you do that.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

Sorry but your not taking your theory back far enough and you are making statements that cannot be proven. Please start with absolutely nothing. No space, No materials. no gravity. Even a vacuum is something. The universe is material and materials have a beginning and end. 0 =0 = 0 IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PRODUCE ANYTHING FROM NOTHING WITHOUT A MIRACLE. The day the quantum theory that you can is proven, that person that proves it will become almighty and god. If you give it enough thought there can never be a beginning or end. We made amazing discoveries in the last century about things unseen that man had never discovered before. What is the problem in considering God when after 150 years of research world wide into evolution it is still an unproven theory although very cleverly put together. God is Spirit and not material, does not need a beginning and end, The universe and creation is put together much more cleverly complex and interdependent than our small minds will ever comprehend. There are so many things starring us in the face we cannot fathom. There are too many creatures with irreducible complexity to imagine it happened by chance. Even the simplest cell has enough information to plan manufacture and fly a Jumbo jet. Try explaining something easy like a butterfly in evolutionary terms. "How did it happen step by step"? an egg caterpillar a mush in a chrysalis into a beautiful butterfly. There are millions of examples of the amazing power of an Almighty God. I will continue at another time. Please don't be so over wise not to consider God.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

According to the laws of thermodynamics, neither materials nor energy need a beginning nor an end.A true vacuum is not something; it's the matter equivalent of the quantity zero, a term we use to describe nothingness. True vacuum really is nothing, more or less by definition.To be consistent with what we've observed, the big bang theory is not responsible for the creation of all matter, but rather, is the event responsible for the conditions of the universe we are able to observe. The matter and energy contained within the big bang and distributed throughout the universe would, therefore, have been present prior to the big bang.Of course, this doesn't necessarily have to be the case either; even now, we're able to create matter from nothing in a laboratory, though it carries a high energy cost and is generally unstable; it appears that the second law of thermodynamics is more of a global condition that can be violated locally and temporarily. As such, your statement 'IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PRODUCE ANYTHING FROM NOTHING WITHOUT A MIRACLE' is false, unless you're calling science a miracle, which I wouldn't have a problem with.You're right only in saying that God, should one exist, does not need a beginning and end. You are wrong in stating that it is otherwise with matter and energy. In fact, your entire argument here is based on premises that are demonstrably false.
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: God

A vacuum is space, space is something no matter what your definition. According to the laws of thermodynamics neither materials nor energy need a beginning or end... How do you go about proving that? The high energy cost of producing matter from nothing tells me more than it tells you. There is no high energy when you have nothing. The fact that you may be able to produce anything from nothing tells me that you had to apply intelligence to the operation. The energy and intelligence to create suns that are as large as our solar system from nothing requires energy beyond comprehension. I believe the second law of thermodynamics also states that things start at a peek and deteriorate thereafter. I heard Stephen Hawkins on TV saying "We now Know that the Universe appeared from nothing". Meaning I think that there was a time when it was thought that everything as always been. Science changes and gives itself new theories when it hits a brick wall. By the way The Bible states that God created everything from things that cannot be seen. I am glad that you say if there is a God. I would like that level of honesty displayed by atheists on these bloggs. I notice you didn't take on explaining the full cycle of the butterfly. there are thousands more. I heard an interview on TV the interviewer asked the evolution scientist the one I ask above and his reply was "There are plenty of examples of that" So now we all know how it is possible?
Debate: Was the world really created by god or the big bang theory?
Side: Big bang theory

Space is a concept, not something concrete; space is a region defined by borders. A vacuum is an area containing no matter; it is not something, it is a concept used to describe nothing- just like the value zero. 'Nothing' is something insofar as it is an abstract concept used to describe the absence of anything, but that doesn't make nothing something concrete.The laws of thermodynamics, which have not since been violated, include laws of conservation; matter/energy is never created or destroyed, though they can be converted between with no effort. All observations and experimental data support this theory- insofar as science is concerned, it's already proven. If you are going to claim that conservation is not true, and that matter/energy must have a point of creation and a point where they cease to exist, the burden of proof is on you.From that- the sun in our solar system was not created from nothing, and no intelligence was required to create it based on current data. A combination of gravity and other forces brought the material that formed our sun together- the 'ignition' of the sun is due to the heat brought about by compression due to gravity, and is self sustaining.If you're referring to entropy, thermodynamics does not state that things 'start' at a peak and deteriorate thereafter, but rather that the universe as a whole tends towards a greater state of entropy, or disorder. That is a universal condition, however, not a specific local condition. Individual systems can have a decrease in entropy, an increase in complexity and order without violating this concept.You never heard Stephen Hawking say anything- you heard Microsoft Bob!The Bible never asserts that God created everything from nothing either; it merely states that God created the heavens and the earth; it doesn't state what method he used to do so, or whether or not any raw materials were present that such were assembled from. In fact, if a god exists, the overall creation event may have even taken the form of what the scientific community refers to as the big bang.I didn't respond to the butterfly question because 1) This is a debate about creation vs. the big bang theory and evolution is an off-topic tangent and 2) the specifics of butterfly evolution are not within my area of expertise.