azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Well.....if you feel I am claiming a superiority over you, maybe you are beginning to see the light. I have eternal life in Jesus Christ, He lives in me, He is my life, and He is going to rule the world and I will be with Him serving Him in His Kingdom for His honor and His glory forever, forever praising Him who took my place in death so I can be forgiven, justified by His resurrection. If you think you are in the inferior side of people who know what I know, maybe you need to learn something and quit being on that side. You are making the choice to be on the losing side and I will not be superior to you, I will simply be equal to you forever but forgiven, changed to be like Jesus and with Him in His resurrection and you will be changed to be like the devil with Him in Hell if you insist you have the right to stand while denying your Creator's right to rule over you. You will have the place given to you in eternal death if you insist it's good enough for you, and I will have the place given to me in God's forgiveness which I am in no way good enough to deserve, no better than you. I deserve to burn in Hell the same as you, if you feel inferior because of the things you believe you need to reconsider and start believing that God is reasonable and worthy of your trust.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

You misunderstand me entirely. I absolutely do not feel inferior to you or your views. My argument is that the religious conception of sin asserts an unfounded moral superiority over the non-religious and other religious, but an assertion is not evidence of actual superiority.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

The proof of the metaphor of the polluted glass of water is your own immorality, the same immorality that is in my flesh, and the same death that is being caused in you and me equally by the same poison in the polluted water. Some people just won't accept proof even if they are staring into the barrel of the gun....and we are all staring into that same barrel if God is not there to get us out of it. I'm in the same boat as you except I'm forgiven and I'm going to heaven and I know God loves me as His child and He wants you to know the same.Yes I'm rephrasing the same belief in different terms because it's easy to do, it's logical, reasonable, and maybe you will see the simplicity of the facts of reality and believe God and get saved from Hell. It's so simple a child can understand. I know seven year old children who are wiser than you with your polished eloquent denials of reality.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I reiterate than an assertion does not constitute proof. You can continue to reword your claims regarding morality, God, and salvation as long as you like but this will never constitute evidence that your claims are objectively valid. Immorality does not prove the polluted water metaphor because immorality itself is an unsubstantiated assertion.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Your life is an unsubstantiated assertion. You're losing it.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I cannot substantiate my existence to anyone other than myself, and to myself I may substantiate only my awareness of my self (per cogito ergo sum, Descartes). All else is a matter of greater probabilities rather than absolute certainties. This is a rationale deduction, and your dismissive attitude towards my views as insane is entirely unfounded; you fell this way only because you cannot accept a perspective so antithetical to your own.Notably, your response does not repudiate my argument that reiterated claims do not constitute proof. Nor does it present any proof for consideration. Nor does it validate your original metaphor against my earlier critique. In effect, you still have no substantive response or evidence and have turned once more to personal attacks.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Do you expect me to accept a perspective as valid when it's wrong? The only thing you are substantiating is your own death.You do not substantiate your existence. You did not cause your existence, you do not have the power to end your existence. It is not rationale to assume your existence ends in death, that is wishful thinking and it's insame. You are not God, even if you think you are God of you, if you think there is no God, or whatever you think...you do not have the right or the power to unexist yourself no matter how long your dying continues.Human nature has gone bad and it shows in your flawed rationalizations. The proof of my reiterated claims is your dying. You are not living, you are dying. They are opposites. One is forever in life, the other is forever in death. You are trying to fool yourself into believing they are one and the same, and by so doing you are fooling yourself into believing God does not rule over you and you are your own master and you answer ultimately only to yourself as you are dying.I don't mean for this to be a personal attack, but an attacks on your attitude by which you are committing a slow suicide and thinking it's a good way to go. This is me watching a dying man, knowing how you can be saved, and knowing where you are going if your death is finalized when you are fighting against your Creator.Telling you that you are following systemized insanity is only telling you the truth. If you think it's a personal attack, have you ever thought it's because you are guilty?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I can't read your stuff any more...I don't know why you want to read mine.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Honestly? Boredom, mostly.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

The fact that you refuse to know does not mean I do not know. You can't know what I know because you refuse to know it. You don't know what I know because you refuse to believe it. The truth stands if you believe it or not, and I know it...you don't know it. You are willfully ignorant, and that's on you.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

It's like watching a digital temper tantrum.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I have already repudiated this fallacious point at length elsewhere. I am disinclined to do so again now, as if you had any intention of making an actually critical response you would have done so by now. It is abundantly evident that you have no proof beyond your own convictions, which are ultimately not evidence at all to anyone but yourself.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

There's a universe full of evidence, and volumes of history including the Bible full of evidence. You don't want evidence because you hate God and love death. That's on you.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I have already thoroughly addressed this as well; in short: nebulous reference to "the universe" does not prove your claims and the Bible cannot logically be proof of itself.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

If you don't get saved from Hell, you will find yourself there with no way out and you will remember I told you the Bible is the Word of God and cannot be changed.Again, if the only proof you will accept is to find yourself in Hell with no way out, that is the only proof you will get. You are fooling yourself for nothing but Hell.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

the Bible full of evidenceSo the Bible is a fully reliable source? Everything in it is true?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Of course it is! Especially the part where he made a blind man able to see, totally not fake!
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Oh. Well, if it is, a lot of people are in hell. There are a lot of commands people aren't feeling very remorseful about.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I have argued with people like you, and I know you will not accept logical explanation which refutes your list of a hundred or two things which you will claim to be proofs that the Bible is not true.I'm not going to get into it with you, if you want answers you can find them yourself. It's easy to research contradictions to your nimwitted compilation of God-haters which they post all over the internet, so you can see the truth of God's word.The topic of this thread is about human nature, and I'm going to stick to it and ignore your desires to go off on tangents trying to prove you are better than God and too good to be confined in eternal death in the Lake of Fire where all sinners belong. You need to be born again, you need Jesus living in you by His Holy Spirit making God your Father, and that will take a miracle from God and I can't help you when you hate the truth and won't listen. This is why I banned you from "God Loves You (3)". It's a waste of time talking to you when you are bound and determined to prove you are too good for Hell...you are only going to try to take me and as many others as you can down with you. You may pull some of them down with you by encouraging their rebellion like your own, but my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven and I'm not going to waste time with you.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Again, my compliments for eloquence and logical composure of irrationalities. Most people are incapable of putting these beliefs of yours into any kind of grammatically correct expression...usually they have to resort to cheap insults against God and against people like myself who present reasons why He should be believed and trusted.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

I appreciate the acknowledgement. Although, I must point out that if something is logically comprised then it is therefore not irrational. Might I suggest that what strikes you as irrational might nevertheless be held rationally by someone else? Many people cannot comprise themselves with eloquence and many resort to cheap insults against those who hold divergent opinions; that is hardly unique to atheists or nihilists.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Lies can be logically composed so they appear to be true. Logic is only a progression of thoughts with no objective truth. Logic creates it's own truth to suit the person using the logic. That's why sodomites have convinced themselves that their perversion is justifiable, normal, acceptable. They use logic. Logic is nothing but you making yourself to be your own god to invent your own personal brand of truth. You have no means of discerning what is rational or irrational if there is no objective truth, and that's what you love your logic more than life and it won't get you out of death nor keep you out of Hell, and never get you out of Hell. Prove me wrong you fool....pardon me for being blunt, I'm trying to get you to wake up before you wake up in Hell and it's forever too late.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

How does one repudiate an asserted logical truth, but with the application of logic itself? If a thing which claims to be logical can be disproved with logic then it was not truly logical. Logic has laws of proof, an internal system of crediting and discrediting ideas, which exist independent of those attempting to employ them. I never stated that there was no objective truth, only that we are incapable of perfectly perceiving or conceiving it. What follows is not that we cannot reason, but that all reason is necessarily an expression of conditional, relative certainty. And again, I do not love logic more than life and I am not trying to avoid the death I know must come nor your Hell which I do not believe in.Do not worry about offending me with your bluntness; you may have noticed, I am particularly fond of its expediency myself.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

You are claiming superiority over God. You are being religious trying to make yourself the god for yourself to replace God and deny Him His rightful place as your Creator and Ruler.I make no unfounded assertion when I say are dying and need to be saved from it, when I say you have eternal death if you do not have eternal life. If you do not agree with these statements, you are self-deluded and God will send you strong delusion because you love it and He loves you and will give you what you want except He will not give you His glory and allow you to be God. You can only be god to yourself in Hell, and even then your god-ness will be interrupted at times when your tongue is forced to confess Jesus Christ is Lord, and your knees are forced to bow at the sound of His name. God will have His name honored by every creature He made, including you if you like it or not. Reality 101. Keep your religion if you want to.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Not once have I claimed superiority over that which I do not believe exists. My philosophy also does not derive from my rejection of your God, rather my rejection of your God derives from my philosophy; your beliefs are a mere matter of incidental rejection to me.Your beliefs are unfounded because you have not provided any evidence for any assertion you have made. All you have done is repeat your same circular reasoning, which undermines your claim rather than proving it.Your failure to respond directly to my criticism of your polluted water metaphor as well as my observation regarding the self-righteous moral superiority complex inherent to your beliefs constitutes tacit concession of both points.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Liar liar pants are on fire. Your whole philosophy of logic is nothing but attempting to prove you are as good if not better than God in order to convince yourself that you are exempt from the Lake of Fire where logic can't relieve your suffering.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I have presented two logically validated counter-explanations which you have repeatedly failed to discredit. Simply reiterating your incredibly egotistical claims that my views revolve around your delusions does not prove anything. Done here.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Why is everything you type about religion? (SPACE FILLER SPACE FILLER)
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

when I talk about religion, it's about a persons attempts to convince themselves that they are exempt from Hell and not condemned in death...it's a self-deception.When I talk about God, I talk about the Living God who Created you and He is a person, the Creator of all things and all people who always was and always will be God. He will be your Judge in death or your Savior in life. You will have eternal life or you will have eternal death. You have one or the other now, and if it's death that can be change only by God. Religion is man trying to change the reality of his death his own way, making it into something exempt from Hell. Death and Hell go together and will be united forever in the Lake of Fire where only the smoke of those in torments there will ascend forever and badness will be forever separated from God's creation and none of His creatures who never rebelled (angels) and none who were redeemed (people who's sins are covered by the blood of God in Jesus Christ who paid their price and received Him as their Savior by calling on God to save them in His name) will ever go against their Creator and there will never be another rebellion against God.Quit trying to waste time by filling space. God didn't give you time so you can waste it.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even talk about the majority of what I was talking about. I don't need to be preached at because I am a Christian. You don't need to bring up religion at all times. And for the love of god don't bring up your religion in EVERY debate
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

Look at the people who are saying human nature is good, and you can see how good it is...a bunch of haters trying to say human nature is good....yeah, right. Earth calling.....and Hell has enlarged itself to consume more sinners.We are all bad, all gone bad, all polluted by sin and it's killing us all and we need to be saved from it, God, Jesus Christ, is the Savior.. Creator who became our Savior.You can point out fault in me spitting venom at me and tell me human nature is good? I'd rather have a pet rattlesnake than to have some of you "good" people anywhere closer than I can preach the truth to you and run.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Wait, so someone is a hater if they say that humanity is inherently good?....What?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

You are a hater because you hate God and love death. You think death is your friend, and God is your enemy. God is good so He lets you think that way if you want to think that way. Your brain is short-circuited and the lights are gone out...there's only one tiny spark from God trying to connect with you to get the Light to shine and wake you up from the dead.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

someone is a polluted glass of water trying to get others to drink it and call it good...and that someone seems to be you, doesn't it?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

someone is a polluted GLASS of water trying to get others to drink it and call it good...and that someone seems to be you, doesn't it?No it sounds more like you.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

It sounds like you and me both........comeon now...if human nature is good, then you can't say I'm bad no matter what I do. If you claim to be better than me and that is what makes you good, there is always one better than you and He is God and you are polluted by evil and no good next to Him. He is good, you are not. I am not good, God is good. You and me are both the same. Why is that so hard to admit?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

comeon now...if human nature is good, then you can't say I'm bad no matter what I do.People can go against their nature. Humanity can overall be good, but still have bad people.You and me are both the same. Why is that so hard to admit?I don't think he would disagree with that, I think he would disagree with your theological justification.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

You cannot rid yourself of your propensity and tendency toward evil. You are not good. You are polluted. You can't make yourself good any more than a polluted glass of water can make itself pure...and don't try stretching the analogy by saying evaporation leaves the pollution behind because that would be an act of God....and you are not a glass of water than can be purified by osmosis anyways.I am trying to show God's justification which leaves you and me in the dust and in Hell if God Himself does not do something to remove the pollution of capacity for bad away from us. Simple, logical, reality 101. Let's face facts here, we are all dying and need to be saved from dying or we die. God help us for He alone can save us. If we won't be saved, we will go on in our useless "goodness" and be left in the garbage pile of Hell burning forever.All people are bad. Doing good things all your life does not make you good, it only means you are bad but did good things. All the good things can't get the pollution of evil out of your soul. You can't make yourself into anything different than what you are...and that is gone bad and likely to be bad whenever you feel like you can get away with it if it suits your wants at the moment when you feel like doing it. I'm the same way, it's natural to be self-centered, to justify and excuse ourselves for the wrongs we do...that's the nature of evil, it's human nature, desiring to justify ourselves..
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I do not believe anyone has said a propensity or tendency.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

human nature is like onions, they have layers. but not everyone likes onions, so maybe human nature is like a cake, which also has layers, and everyone likes cakeyours trulyunnatural human nature, gotta love it :)
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

what he's disagreeing with is that we need to be saved from death and Hell and can be saved by God the Savior. I am saved from death and Hell, I have eternal life through Jesus Christ the Living God, and you can too. What he is disagreeing with is his own salvation, choosing death over life. It's sad, and that's why it's hard for me to give up and quit trying to tell them God will save them if they will trust Him.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

It sounds like you and me both........No just you.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

How does that make them a "hater" in any way?
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

still dodging the polluted glass of water analogy. You are no better than a polluted glass of water. The evil in you makes you rotten and not good, no more good than that glass of pure GOOD water with a fatal dose of poison mixed in. The bad part makes what was good into nothing good at all. No matter how much good water is there, it's all tainted, ruined, and good for rubbish.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

still dodging the polluted glass of water analogy. You are no better than a polluted glass of water. The evil in you makes you rotten and not good, no more good than that glass of pure GOOD water with a fatal dose of poison mixed in. The bad part makes what was good into nothing good at all. No matter how much good water is there, it's all tainted, ruined, and good for rubbish.I have already addressed your analogy: It is only valid if one agrees with your theological beliefs of original sin and the Christian mythos. I do not, and therefore do not hold the analogy valid. Now explain how your prevision characterization of a hypothetical person made them a "hater".
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

You are just like the polluted glass of water if you admit it or not. It does not matter if you agree with me theologically or not, you are what you are, the same as me, corrupt, polluted, imperfect, impure, dosed with fatal poison, gone bad.Reality 101.Disagreeing with my theology cannot change you from being fatally stricken, gone bad, physically rotten, corrupted, dying the same as me. It's in our genes, it's badness in our genes killing us no matter how much good we do...no mater how much good we do, it cannot remove the badness of our nature. You are stuck with yourself and the only hope of an atheist is that you will not be punished in death...it's a fool's hope.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

You've got to be a troll. I see no other explanation for your inability to hold a conversation.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

Your inability to listen does not show me to be unable to have a conversation. Most of what you say is not worth listening to, I'm sorry. If you think what I am saying is not worth listening to, then stop reading it and stop trolling me, trying to suck me in to your feeble attempts to dominate the conversation.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: bad

I have responded to everything you have said, specifically. You have demonstrated in inability to do the same to almost everyone you have responded to. You repeat the same nonsense over and over, and insult people. You are incapable of debating, and have no reason to be on this debate website.
Debate: Is human nature naturally good or bad
Side: good

explain why you hate God and I will explain why a person who hates God is a hater. Saying you can't hate somebody who does not exist is a cop out, you hate him and you are a liar if you won't admit it.