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Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

How can you know it's not true when you don't even understand it? How would you feel if I told you I know the Bible is not true but I've never even read it? Would you take my opinion on it seriously? Of course not, so why should anyone take your opinion of evolution seriously when you've flat out admitted you don't understand it?I understand a little bit, but people say that I am confused with what I was taught about it supposedly. You complain about me writing walls of text, yet the one example of "evidence" you show me is a copied and pasted wall of gish gallop.Did you even take a look at the evidence I even gave you? How many books have you read the talk about the flaws in Christianity?I have a couple and some of them, I could easily refute and I also felt like I shouldn't be reading theses books anyway. You know how some people on CD are known for certain catch phrases. That one is yours. I've heard you use it many times but you know as well as I do it's just an excuse.And you and everyone else have a certain catchphrase as well when it comes to answering something when I show you evidence and you know as well as I do that it's just an excuse. I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. There is no shame an admitting you don't know the answer, but when you don't respond at all it makes it look like you know you are wrong but don't want to admit it.I don't want to say I don't know because to me that will make feel like a coward if I didn't know about that. So instead I don't answer and even if I don't answer doesn't mean that I admit that I'm wrong with what I was debating about.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

I also felt like I shouldn't be reading theses books anyway.For fuck's sake, Srom; a requirement of being well informed is to read both of the opposing sides in any issue or problem (it doesn't even pertain to just religion); any issue, abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action. The whole point, at least if you want to debate it, is to be well versed on not only the side you support, but also the side you oppose, so you can understand WHY people oppose whatever issue you want to argue.It's not just an elective option; it's a fucking prerequisite to debating. DO IT, SROM!!!
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

In fact, how about this Srom: For every book you read with an atheistic perspective, I will read a book with a Christian perspective (I will even allow you to suggest them). If you don't know where to start, I can give you a ton of books in PDF form.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

I understand a little bit, but people say that I am confused with what I was taught about it supposedly.Then maybe you shouldn't be so sure that you are right if you don't fully understand the subject. You don't have to abandon your faith to believe in evolution. Many Christians believe evolution was guided by god. 99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution. The Discovery Institute tried to come up with a list of scientists that reject evolution and they failed miserably.Did you even take a look at the evidence I even gave you?Yes, I read it twice, once when you originally posted it and again when you linked to it in this debate. Were you expecting me to offer counter arguments to each of those points or something? I thought you were just using it as an example that you sometimes provide evidence.I have a couple and some of them, I could easily refuteJust out of curiosity, which ones do you have?I also felt like I shouldn't be reading theses books anyway.That is exactly why atheists have a problem with religion. It teaches people to feel guilty about asking questions. It teaches you to only look at one side of the story and shelter yourself from opposing views. If you only look at stuff that is pro-Christianity of course you're going to be pro-Christian, just like if you were to only look at pro-Muslim sources you would be pro-Muslim. The proper way to determine the truth of something is to look at all of the evidence, not just the evidence for it.And you and everyone else have a certain catchphrase as well when it comes to answering something when I show you evidence and you know as well as I do that it's just an excuse.Okay, what's my catch phrase?I don't want to say I don't know because to me that will make feel like a coward if I didn't know about that. I don't see how not knowing something makes you a coward in any way. No one knows everything. I have a lot more respect for someone who admits they don't know than someone who pretends that they do.even if I don't answer doesn't mean that I admit that I'm wrong with what I was debating about.It may not, but it certainly gives that impression. You need to get over this fear of being wrong about things. There is no reason to be ashamed of being wrong about something. Admitting you're wrong is the same as admitting you're wiser today than you were yesterday.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Well anyway there is no reason to believe that is why fossils are there and not the other so fish fossils being there doesn't count as evidence.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

It has every reason to believe that fossils were there. Just think about it. Fish normally swim in water and when the flood waters died down and they went on to mountains. And you're using the typical saying that everyone uses and that is "that doesn't count as evidence" and you're also making an excuse as well.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Then how come we've never found, say, a rodent, a reptile, or a bird in the Pre-Cambrian layer? How come we've never found ANY large mammals outside of the Cenozoic? How come we've never found a titanosaurid in the Triassic? How come we've never found a tyrannosaurid in the Jurassic? How come we've never found ANY fossils of humans mixed with dinosaurs?Why is it we can see the evolutionary history of the horse in perfect order? We've never found an Hyracotherium in the same layer as a Eohippus. Same goes for whales.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

Actually, we find many examples of fossils out of order. We have found things that are living today that have no trace of existence except from the rock layers millions of years ago. Likewise, we have things out of order all over the place. Evolutionists ignore this, to be honest. You should do some research about this. You can always explain it away, saying, "Oh, evolution isn't wrong, we just have new information! Lets just correct our theory a bit." This is fine, sure. But, its begging the question, since it happens all the time.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Actually, we find many examples of fossils out of order. We have found things that are living today that have no trace of existence except from the rock layers millions of years ago.You mean like bats and pterosaurs? Yeah, I'll admit to that, but you also have to take into account the fact that it is incredibly unlikely an animal will fossilize in the first place, and that erosion and other natural phenomena could destroy the fossils.Likewise, we have things out of order all over the place.The fossil record isn't straight line. Tectonic movements and other natural phenomena distort the rock layers; which is why we date fossils depending on the rock type and layer, not depth at which they were found.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

You mean like bats and pterosaurs? Yeah, I'll admit to that, but you also have to take into account the fact that it is incredibly unlikely an animal will fossilize in the first place, and that erosion and other natural phenomena could destroy the fossils.I'm talking about multiple examples of this. It happens regularly. It happens quite regularly to aquatic animals that are at the bottom of the sea.. which actually helps to prove a great flood, since they would have been at the bottom layers, being already at the bottom of the waters.The fossil record isn't straight line. Tectonic movements and other natural phenomena distort the rock layers; which is why we date fossils depending on the rock type and layer, not depth at which they were found.Thats always the cop out. You find one layer above another layer, which should have been in the opposite order, so you say, "geology!" Its all begging the question. Can you not see that? Science is assuming for naturalism, which is all fine and dandy; thats what the field is and does. But when you assume for naturalism past the point of the natural, then you have a problem.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

It happens quite regularly to aquatic animals that are at the bottom of the sea.. which actually helps to prove a great flood, since they would have been at the bottom layers, being already at the bottom of the waters.Yeah, and I already explained the problem with this.But when you assume for naturalism past the point of the natural, then you have a problem.Not really, because geological phenomena happen all the time, and I see no reason as to why it doesn't apply here.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

Yeah, and I already explained the problem with this.You can explain away every problem. Thats the point.Not really, because geological phenomena happen all the time, and I see no reason as to why it doesn't apply here.You're begging the question still. You can always explain away something. But how many explaining aways does it take to make you realize that the naturalistic theory is false?
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

You're begging the question still. You can always explain away something. But how many explaining aways does it take to make you realize that the naturalistic theory is false?It fits perfectly within naturalistic theory. Not only that, bot the effect these phenomena have has been observed countless times.Unless you can come with a reason as to why my explanation is invalid, I'll consider it perfectly so.While on the topic of "explaining away", don't YEC's do it as well, and with little to no evidence to support it? They always say God solved the "lack of genetic variety" problem by just adding more genetic variety, despite the lack of supporting evidence from Scripture.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

So, this comes down to desire, because it has nothing to do with intellect: would you rather believe in a world that is godless, or one that has a god in some way shape or form?Not really. It's more about which information you've been exposed to. We (we being atheists/agnostics/"evolutionists") usually pick our world views based on the ones we find the most convincing. Although, you do make a good point.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Yeah it could be because of the flood but it much more likely to be because fish swam up the mountain in streams and/or that fish died when the mountain was on the seabed before it rose up to form a mountain.Because there are logical explanations for fish fossils being there, them being there isn't evidence for the flood as they could just be there due to the rational explanations that they got there by swimming up streams or that they died before the land become a mountain and was still on the seabed.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

It's all possible that mountains were already out there and when the flood died down that the fish died when the mountains are there.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Yeah but their is no reason to believe that it was because of the flood and not just that fish died on the land when it was under the sea before it became a mountain.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

The Indus valley civilization was there before and after the flood. Nothing major happened at that time. So, about archaeology...
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

What happened in the ark, stayed in the ark ;)
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

I think that is Los Vegas, but I could be mistaken. There is a first for everything.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

Well, it's Las Vegas not Los so this may be the first after all... Of course you've been living under a bridge so I guess we can cut ya some slack.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

I'm afraid you got it wrong. The cardboard sign that came from the freeway and blew under my bridge said, "Los Vegas or bust".
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

LOL! Okay... fair enough.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

The measurements in the bible is ridiculous, thats a fact. But im pretty sure that a similar event has occurred in History at least once.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Ask a ship builder. It was the perfect boat. It would take a 90 degree wave to flip it over and then it would most likely roll right side up. Some scientist tested this with a scale model in a tidal pool. It was reported on tv a few years back.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

It was very simple boat. It was Just made of wood plates tied with ropes, It was not like what was mentioned in the Bible.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

I was talking about events in history where massive flooding occur and only a select few managed to survive. It is possible that the flood were so massive, it became a legend.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

It did happen, but not in way that people think. It was a [ local ] flood.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

Many things is the world prove that the ark is real. The Grand Canyon is deep due to the flood.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Seriously? Is that your replacement for logic? How did God drown a fish? The grand canyon was made by a stream slowly wearing away rock. Any other examples?
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

Yes, but not literally as stated. Sure, some animals may have been put on board (like a dog or cat), but 2 of EVERY animal?That must explain why Mosquitoes... and parasites of other kinds.Also, if it was only Noah's family and the possible best friend that was on the boat, then shouldn't the repopulated world be full of drooling, inbred morons? We wouldn't have made it to the Roman Republic.Animals are adept with detecting natural disasters, so I think flooding is a detectable disaster for them. I doubt carrying them around would even be necessary unless they were domesticated or endangered at the time.Also, it's possible that the previous Ice Age thawed out and the rising water levels took down some civilized areas (Atlantis maybe? Meh. Speculation is something I adore. Sue me) and killed a lot of people/plants/animals.We've also got myths of bigass deluges just about everywhere.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html Clearly, something happened. Noah was around when it did happen and somebody recorded it later. He wasn't the only survivor though, but he was one of the many survivors including Manu, Deucalion and Pyrrha, etc.The last Ice Age/Glacial Period was around 13,000 or more years ago, which according to http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSpiritScience Was the time that Atlantis (continent) went down. Perhaps Noah/Utnapishtim and the others were among those who escaped? If the amount of survivors was so slim, and they got separated while the rest of their lands got pimp-slapped by tidal waves, whatever pre-flood tech they had could have been lost. That could explain Noah's ability to build an ark with a design not practically used again after the flood. (Last I checked the Egyptians/Romans/Greeks didn't have any massive arks.)Hey. I myself find this idea highly sketchy. I just love speculating and putting pieces together using any and every resource that I can, scientific or religious. Feel free to discuss this with me and help me build up this hypothesis or give me counter-evidence, but I believe that the "Noah's Ark" event did happen, just not in the literal context. There could be so much more to it than we imagined. It excites me to know that, and I just had to share.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Jc makes his thousandth CreateDebate account... Did it happen?
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Not as generally believed, no. Is it possible that a very impressive flood served as the basis for the myth? Yeah. But that is about as far as it goes. Global flooding, all the animals, etc etc, a reasonably educated adult in the modern era should be able to realize how ludicrous it all is.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

No... the story of Noah and his Ark was simply foreshadowing for the third testament when Larry and his Rocket-ship have to collect two of every animal on Earth, load them onto his Rocket-ship and blast off to Mars before God throws a giant meteor at Earth to end all life.... again.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

so if that flood wiped all the animals except for those magically saved by noah...did it also wipe out all of the humans that werent on the boat?...so that would make us all ancestors of noah/family....correct?god bless noah....and all the stupid fucks on the other side of this debate
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

You are correct. Every living thing, man, and animal died that were not on the ark.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Except the fish right?Actually, if the flood was global and reached the highest mountain, most of sea life would have been killed off. Mixing of fresh and salt water would doom most freshwater species. Less light and change in water pressure would have forced the fish to move upwards, starving all of those who survived by scrounging on seabeds. And the whales and dolphins? At that altitude, they wouldn't have enough air pressure to survive. Not that that would matter, since all of the cold at that altitude would have probably frozen over the surface of the globe.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

A more ridiculous idea is hard to think of. There are many obvious reasons why it wouldn't work.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

A more ridiculous idea is hard to think of. One Word: Scientology!
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

I said it was hard, not impossible.Just because there is one belief that is slightly less stupid than another doesn't mean that one isn't either.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Don't you think if the Whole world flooded 3,000 years ago everything would be a lot different than it is know. Think about it. Millions would have died. Technology would have been destroyed. And Civilization would have fell.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: Yes

It did. I don't know how many died but I know how many lived 8.It was more than 3000 years ago it was between 2300 BC and 2500 BC. So over 4000 years ago. The whole face of the earth changed. We now have valley's and mountains that did not exist before the flood.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

Actually we know civilizations existed between that period e.g. the Indus valley civilization and if it happened then they would have been destroyed by it but we know they weren't and survived for centuries after so it couldn't have happened then.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

There's no enough evidence proving Noah's ark. Plus the world would be different know.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

it's a fairy tale.....................................................
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

I cant say with certainty that god does not exist, however, i can say with certainty Noah's ark never happened.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

There was a flood but I don't think Noah's Ark was for real. In my opinion, the Ark is a fable.
Debate: Noahs Ark Did it Happen?
Side: No

It would be impossible for Noah to board every animal species on an Ark.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

I believe that Noah's ark, Jonah and the Whale and Adam and Eve actually happened. Adam and Eve were the first human beings on this earth and that's how we got populated because through male and female.Jonah and the whale symbolizes that if Jonah was in the whale 3 days and 3 nights so was the Son of Man (Jesus) would lay in His tomb for three days to the resurrection.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Adam and Eve were the first human beings on this earth and that's how we got populated because through male and female.You do realise that would require mass inbreeding, which would make our gene pool more of a gene puddle...Ew God... you nasty ;)
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

You believe it, but can you prove it? Faith is not knowledge, it is an unsubstantiated set of beliefs that definitionally cannot be proven.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

Okay so please explain how, on 'Noah's Ark', the lions didn't eat the zebras? How did two of EVERY living species get on that ark? How did the flies get on, the bacteria? It's impossible. Where did all the wood come from to make it, the Amazon? Cause believe you me to make a boat that size requires A LOT of material.Adam and Eve...the Genesis story right? Oh wait.. the SECOND Genesis story.. don't you find that just a tad suspicious that the OT tells of a fiery, war-like warrior God and then the NT describes how 'loving and forgiving' God is...? Contradictory? I think so.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: Yes, it is the word of God

Okay so please explain how, on 'Noah's Ark', the lions didn't eat the zebras? How did two of EVERY living species get on that ark? How did the flies get on, the bacteria? It's impossible. Where did all the wood come from to make it, the Amazon? Cause believe you me to make a boat that size requires A LOT of material.I don't know what happened inside the ark. It never says in the Bible what happened in the ark. What I can predict is that God probably tamed the animals to not fight or to not do thing to each other. The wood? Isn't it obvious? Trees? And it worked the ark they actually built a replica of it. Adam and Eve...the Genesis story right? Oh wait.. the SECOND Genesis story.. don't you find that just a tad suspicious that the OT tells of a fiery, war-like warrior God and then the NT describes how 'loving and forgiving' God is...? Contradictory? I think so.I can point out that back when Adam and Eve were created the snakes has arms and legs but then once the serpent tempted Eve and then they sinned God said from now on you will crawl on your belly for the rest of your life and we have snakes crawl on their bellies.
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

and i can point out that God lied and the serpent told the truth!God told Adam that the day he eats the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he will die.the serpent said No you won't die, you will learn the difference between good and evilEve and Adam ate the fruitTHEY DID NOT DIE! Adam lived 930 more years - they learned the difference between good and evil - just like the serpent said (and like the name of the tree would suggest)Just to cut it of at the pass for those who try to say that after eating the fruit they became destined to die, keep reading - there was also a tree of eternal life in the garden (the reason they were kicked out) which would not be necessary if they were going to live forever from the beginning.If God exists (which he doesn't), isn't it just as likely that he is bad and just says he is good as it is that he is actually good? what evidence outside his own word (supposedly) is their for his character?
Debate: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve....Do you believe in fairy tales?
Side: No, it should not be believed

i can point out that God lied and the serpent told the truth!That is very true. The first thing god does in the bible is lie to us. Fuck him, I would have eaten the fruit to.