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Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Mac's aren't exactly a fad - they're specialised towards graphical editing and media. That's not something most of the world needs or wants to do on their computers, but that doesn't mean they aren't useful and often superior to PCs for those who do want to do such things. And iPods are some of the best designed mp3-players out there, so I disagree with you calling them gadgets. If you're going to debate, do it intelligently.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

You're an idiot Niko. I won't disagree whether or not Mac's are a fad in general, but they are definately a Marketing fad. If the iPod one of the "Best Designed" mp3 players out there, how come they have redesigned it 14 times in less than 7 years? (and it will be 16 by 7 year mark) One thing I will give the iPod is that it is the most popular. Doesn't mean it's the best, just has the best marketing. I bet there aren't many iPods still in use that are older than a 4th generation. Go ahead and give them your money, they will just ask for it again in 4 months and make you feel bad for having an older version of a product that THEY sold to you.Anyone remember the Mac Mini? What happened to that? Why is the G4 Mac pretty much obsolete now? I'd be real pissed right now if I dropped $3000 on one of those 4 years ago instead of building a $1200 machine with a P4 3.0 Ghz. That machine still runs like a beast for me.Ever try to get Apple support after 1 year from the purchase of their product? You might as well buy something from them new. As much as I'll complain about a Microsoft product, by biggest complaint at this point is that soon they will be no longer offering support for XP which had it's first release 2 days after the first iPod.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Just because something's redesigned frequently doesn't mean the original was bad, and fact everyone's familiar with the iPod adverts just proves they advertise cleverly, not that they're a fad. As for redesigns, mp3 players are a newer and more competitive field than computer hardware, and besides, preferences and technology changes quickly - mp3 players are based on flash memory, and if you think how much the price of a USB memory stick has changed over seven years, you'll have to admit that anything based on that technology should have adapted a lot. That it has doesn't make it bad, it makes it competitive. Nor are iPod owners (and I don't own an iPod) obliged to buy a new one whenever one's available; if they do, they're idiot fanboys, but you could say the same of a lot of people. I said iPods are the market leaders and well-designed, not that Apple doesn't try and exhort money out of its customers. I'm sure it does, but that doesn't affect the quality of its products at all. I also haven't ever owned a Mac, and I don't know what the Mac Mini is or the G4 is, but building your own PC is always going to be cheaper than buying a premade one. The tech support point is valid, but... well, Vista needs the extra support. Mac is Unix-based and mostly virus-free. Do the math.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Formula 1... Think about it. The pinnacle of racing and automobile technology (if you don't believe me, do your homework). They start a season with the best of the best, yet for some reason, they, on average, change the car over 14,000 times before the end of the season, when they can just scrap the car and make one that is a refined version of their last end product...The best cars in the world are changed fourteen thousand times in one season... Now, explain to us, how you think that the best doesn't have to change.  Mac is great at marketing, there's no doubt about it... but so is Dell. I have a mac that was old in 2005, when I bought in new from apple's online store... In hardware, it was fucking old, but I wanted a mac and anything would do... Since then, my girlfriend has bought a Dell Insipiron, which we see more ads for than for my iBook G4, and what do you know... it's a POS. See the difference? I am still happy with my iBook, which was old hat in 2005... it's 2008 now, and she bought her Dell in late '06... Intel Duo and everything... It's falling apart all over the place...  If you still don't get it, Dell, though they market well, still makes shit for products. Apple is also good at marketing, but their products hold up a hell of a lot better than it's competitors.  Also, Apple's customer service whoops all of the computer industries "Standards". Nothing can compare to Apple's customer service.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

PCs. They're ubiquitous, better designed, and cross-compatible in a way Macs aren't. I don't think Windows is better than Apple, but there are a wide range of other operating systems that are designed to work on PCs, like, for example, the open source OS Linux.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Don't forget that Linux (and Windows too, for that matter) do run on Macs as well.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

and ox can run on pc
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Invalid. Mac OS X is based on a BSD subsystem. OS X is a Unix OS, like Linux. The only hardware incompatibility between Mac's and PC's in context of OS's was the PPC processor, which did have it's own distro's at the time, but now that Mac has went Intel, they can run all three, Windows, Mac OS, and Any X86 distro of linux (most). Also, PC's are not better designed, they are Frankinstiens. Windows is designed to function with all sort of components, and people code for the components to be compatible with windows because most people have windows machines. Mac closes the hardware via OSX, or should I say, they limit the amount of interchangeable hardware because they build them in such a way that limits hardware bottlenecking or speed traps. Also, they dedicate more time to refining the OS to operate with a certain line of hardware, meaning that your computer is much tighter and balanced. It's like a Miata vs a Dodge Viper. You cannot do much with either, but one can corner, and the other can do an 11sec 1/4 mile... depends on what you need.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

So basically (and I'm putting it simply), Macs strive (and survive) on the technologies created by other systems. In other words, if not for the PC, today's Mac would not even compete, let alone exist.MS is not perfect and I'd be the first to bitch about them. But they keep myself and about 90% of the IT field employed. Seems like Apple just sits back and says, "You create it, and we'll make it look like we fixed your mess...and make lots of money off of it."They need to give a piece of their profits back to the PC industry, if not for actually creating and implementing ideas and new technologies, at least for the costs of testing.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Er, that's like saying "Without ford 90% of mechanics and engineers would be unemployed... it's a good thing that not all automobiles are ferraris"... Well duh, most people use Windows, or if you live in the cloud, some form of *nix or BSD. You'll rarely ever see a OS X server... Just like ford mechanics rarely ever see Ferrari's. I think you forget though, that a Mac can run Windows and any X86 Distro of linux, meaning that it is truely the swiss army knife of computers. You need to learn all three? Get a Mac. You need windows most of the time? Great, use windows... you need linux most of the time? Use linux, I don't see how Mac loses here. Also, Apple used to compete with the Macintosh division, before Jobs was fired... they used to compete with themselves... Back when Apple was pulling off all of the cool shit, while people learned to deal with DOS+Windows at work...
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

proprietary hardware will never beat an open market.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

What's proprietary? The RAM? The graphics cards? The processor? The LCD monitor? The keyboard? The mouse? Maybe you could focus on the integration between the software and the hardware and the overall user experience. The "open market" solution has serious drawbacks. Waiting for your vendor of choice to update their driver so it works on your open operating system is frustrating. Vista?
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Proprietary will never win against open standards.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Well, they both are good Operating Systems, but PC's are better for many reasons:You can run almost all programs on a PC.You can access CMD controls and others on PC's easier.Its GUI isn't crap.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Think of it in terms of open-source/closed-source. Like Microsoft software, Mac hardware is totally closed, uncustomizable, and overpriced (Oh, and Apple has a total monopoly over it). PCs on the other hand are filled with variety, customability, and massive competition, which drives prices down and allows for more rapid improvements.P.S. When one says Mac vs. PC, I think in terms of hardware. If you are talking about OS then please specify Mac OS vs. Windows. At least in my mind, PC does not equate to Windows, it is the hardware foundation for which there are endless software possibilities.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Uh, the only difference between a Mac and PC is that the Mac runs OS X. What I mean is, while you say that Mac hardware is limited, it's only limited when using OS X. If you buy an Apple, throw in whatever hardware you want and run Windows or Linux on it, it is still an Apple computer, and it'll run as good as any PC that you'll get. It's all about support and development. Apple purposely chooses to keep things tight so that they don't have issues with the computer and OS X.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

So, you would pay $3000 for a mac, gut it and then replace everything with PC hardware and software? Does it not at that point become a PC? I don't think I will ever understand the logic used by mac users.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

PC's are much better for the educated user as it allows you to customize EXACTLY the way you want it. That being said, they do tend to be more complicated and error prone, therefore requiring more computer savvy to become as usable as a Mac. PC's are also much cheaper, and for those who think otherwise, you obviously don't know what your talking about. For a base Mac you generally pay a $200 premium over the PC option, and for any upgrades you end up paying far more than what they actually cost. And for those that think Mac's are good for "graphics", for the most part it is just a marketing ploy designed to reduce the geekiness of the Mac, while in turn making the PC look like the nerds computer. PC's can ALWAYS have better hardware than a Mac, especially when it comes to expansion cards, like graphics cards. This means that they are can be better for gaming, and programs that require top hardware. Most of the professional programs used for video editing, etc. are dual platform or on only PC. Very few are just Mac. This means that Mac has no advantage when it comes to software or hardware for "graphics" and generally has a disadvantage.Macs do have the "stylish" look, but that is really their only advantage. Once upon a time they have been more usable, but Microsoft created Vista to be much more intuitive than XP, almost similar to OS X.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

i use pc a lot more because it is cheaper and more things work with it than mac
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

reasons for pc1. better games2. chances are a program will almost always be for pc but not always for mac, and for those garage band fans, there are alternatives for pc which could hold their own against garage band.3. When you have a problem with the mac you have to go to a mac store and possibly pay tons just to get something that a pc solves online on open source sites. 4. I'm using a mac right now and let me say that most of the features that they hold dear can be found one way or the other for pc or linux. What does it have? aesthetics and only aesthetics.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

ok something that makes mac better for all your problems, Bootcamp.bootcamp is an application that Mac GIVES to you to tell you run your mac like a pc or a mac. all you do is click a button and it can work exactly like a pc. in fact im doing it now just to check it outPlus theres no way to return or fix a broken pc. I just had a problem with my mac (my cup of coffee spilled on the keyboard when my cat hit it-usually with mac itll clean right up but it sat there while i was at work for 6 hours).anyways, i had the decision to get a new computer for my 10 year FREE warranty (PC only gives you 30 days) online or to go to the mac store an hour away to get it.I decided that it was the weekend and i wouldnt need one and to save gas. decided to get it shipped. i asked for a free replacement at friday night 8:00PM, got my new mac saturday evening. free shipping
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Also, Bootcamp is not a real application. It's nothing new. It basically allows you to choose which OS partition you want to boot. It's just a prettied up boot menu.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Mac better than PC hrmmmm ummm ok. Me not think so...Mac is great for graphics.... its also great for hmmmm well nothing comes to mind. Its not something i would use in the server world, although there is Mac servers, I have never liked Mac and i started out on Mac...im a PC superuser moreless Linux OS's variety of them and of course windows servers 2003-2008 are pretty good servers, and can be very secure. And in gaming even though Mac is great for like photoshopping it isnt something i would want to play COD4 or Crysis on.BASH!
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Macs are only good for Graphics.Logically proceeding from that argument, that means that I cannot listen to music unless it's visually... Wrong. I cannot do spreadsheets because it's not graphically intensive, yes, and even though a processor is a processor and they all do math.... Wrong. What is the basis of the argument that a computer that only excels in graphics cannot do everything else that a computer does just as well? The reason that a Mac cannot game is because of development and cost efficiency. The reason you wouldn't want to play COD4 or Crysis on a mac is because they don't develop for the mac, good for you. If Crysis made a mac compatible version, or if crysis were only for Mac's, it would undoubtedly run better because they wouldn't have to guess at what sort of hardware would be running the game. It would most likely be the Mac Pro line, easy.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Mac is great for graphics...It's awesome old-guard thinking that allows Apple to continue to grab market share away from Windows. You probably think they still use proprietary hardware too. Perhaps you think it's still the same old OS as when you used it in grade school. As a superuser you don't know much about computers.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

lol I know alot and any computer can word processing blah blah blah, MAC has no chance in the gaming world , rendering at high FPS isnt what MAC are known for. And never will be how long they been around and still dont do it??? I deal with MAC all day long in our advertising and marketing departments. MAC suck for my use period. Now im not opposed that u may like it for home internet surfing etc etc, or work rendering Autocad or somthing...but as a whole its far from being as good as a PC. I can make a pc have good graphics with lets say a 8800 GTS 512 video card... and vista DX10 :P Vista sucks aswell except for DX10... long live the penguin!
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

You deal with computers in marketing and advertising all day, and you still cannot type and have horrible grammar? You can put an 8800GTS 512 in a mac, and then run vista over OS X. R u retarded?
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

oh yeah! pc is the shizz!
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Mac's are very expensive, and as far as I know, The windows operating system is much easier to learn. I tested out a Mac in a store once and I didn't know what anything was or how anything worked.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Macs are PC's

Just a quick note: PC stands for Personal Computer. Why does everyone insist on referring to computers that run the Windows operating system as PC's while referring to Mac's as Mac's. Mac's ARE PC's
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

Yes its true thats what it stands for but PC is a copyrighted term by windoesits like saying everyone who votes for democrats are democratic and people who vote for rebuplicans like a republic. its just a title that has been copyrighted
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Please provide your sources.And the other line is fucking stupid. Of course your democratic if you vote for the democratic party, that's what the party stands for. And if you vote Republican, then you are a Republican (And most countries are republics anyway, read this for clarity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic )
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

PC will always win, not because it is "better" but because it has the least expensive price tag. In the U.S. it is about what is cheaper and more convenient. Right now, PC is cheaper than Mac, more convenient than Mac, and far more attainable than Mac. PC will win as long as Mac keeps their price tags high, however, I'm not sure for how long...
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: Yes Mac is Awesome!

That's like saying a Suberu Impreza beats a Ferarri 458 because it's cheaper!
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

i love i pod/i phone but mac is wackkkk!the cost does not justify the cost of paying for one. they go for 300 to 400 dollars more on avg for a computer with the same memory and hard-drive and its o.s. is not worth the extra cost. yah more user friendly but not 400 bucks....and its way to yuppy!!!!!!!!!! and i hate those ones users who a hybrid/yuppy pricks...they just rub me wrong
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

It's a silly debate because a Mac is a PC with a DRM scheme that prevents MacOSX from installing on hardware unapproved by Apple.So it's really more like Gimped PC versus PC, or MacOSX verus the other OSs.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

A Mac is 97% a PC. Think of it as a fancy PC that you got ripped off for.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

PC is compatible with more and more efficient. Plus PC is more customizable. You can interchange keyboards, moniters, computers... plus there are more kinds of PCs ...gaming computers, student....
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

I think that Mac is a great gadget but it will never beat PC for sure. There are just too many options in PC that Mac never actually had and it will never have them for sure. Mac is great for some simple actions but not for the important job. That's why I am choosing PC and I will always choose it.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

It depends on the person. For those who don't know anything about computers and need it to be user friendly. Then Macs are better. For those who are creative and computer smart PC is the way to go.Mac is a limited computer that has basic video, music, and document software without any room expansion. It is great for people who want simple usage throughout the day.PC is better for building, changing, fixing, upgrading, experimenting. Better for Gamers and people who like to make the computer fit to their needs without paying an arm and a leg. For me I like PC. Half the things Macs do I will never use and the other half I know how to do on PC. Crashes? Never had a problem with it. I can upgrade and change parts as desired. I can experiment with software and games as desired. So PC for me is better for enthusiasts. Mac for the average person.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

They will remain in the competition, they just have both high and low situation... but they will stay.. PC only holds almost every company as primary platform of technology. Being a ipad case deisgner for http://www.kekacase.com/, we are individually doing stuff for Apple product, but we are using PC base devices.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Only the developer, graphic designer or web designer can know this more.
Debate: Will Mac Ever Beat PC?
Side: PC is by far better.

Mac is bad, PC is good. Mac is bad, PC is good. Mac is bad, PC is good. Mac is bad, PC is good.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

People judge others by the most recent thing they saw. And while its true that his recent actions may not be something pleasant to look at, it is sad to think that people do not see is that Obama was actually one of the best presidents of all time.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Uhhh... are you serious? Can you please explain why you consider him to be one of the best?