azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Humans do not receive souls at some point after they are conceived, they are living souls from the moment they are conceived throughout the remainder of eternity.You were you the moment you were conceived, it is not possible that you could have been somebody else, if you had been killed by the choice of people other than yourself you would have been murdered. I'm glad they didn't kill you before you were born.......but if they did you would be in Heaven and now you have decided you are better than God and your on your way to Hell.You seem like you try to be a nice guy and good neighbor and I would probably like having you as my neighbor a lot more than some of the punks who are my neighbors and a lot more than most of the atheists/agnostics here who seem to think they are obliged to be as foul and rude as possible toward anybody who says God loves them and wants them to trust in His Son to be saved from Hell.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

You were you the moment you were conceived. That is solid proof. It's just simple common sense..you were you the moment you were conceived and if you had been killed inside your mothers womb you would not be here now. Abortion is always murder, birth control which allows for conception and then kills the life which was conceived by expelling it from the mother's body is murder.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

I don't think anybody cares about your opinion...............................You dont care but yet you reply to be 5 times within half an hour?You are a satanist and I have a duty to make sure no one is fooled by you.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

I think you need to be saved from Hell, saved from your sins, saved from dying. I doubt that you will be saved. I have learned to avoid reading your stuff.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

I think you have catholic devils which keep causing your icon to appear on my page, and it looks like they are making you talk and I assume they are making you say the same things you have always said in your stupidity.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Thank you for reading here and for your question. I'm sure you can find the passages I am referring to in the Bible, which in English is called the King James Bible. It's very easy to google phrases and get the Bible reference. Work on it.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

A verse that says you are a satanist? Try the ten commandments to start with. And see how you sek to break those. Then I'll give you more.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

You've never read the bible you sad fuck as you demonstrate your vast ignorance daily ; I actually thought you might be busy pulling families from smouldering car wrecks on the motorway ( and boasting about it ) as a dizzy blonde throws herself in your bible clenching arms muttering " you're my hero Now A Stain "Or maybe volunteering again for the army so you could rid the world of them ' pesky ' Muslims :) no one does superheros like the good ole US
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

How is someone a supporter of Satan because they don't think they are prepared for a child?
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

I don't think the doctors are uncertain about whether or not they are killing sentient fetuses. I think the point in which a fetus becomes sentient is very debate-able but all the doctor has to do to not err on the side of killing a human being is make sure the fetus isn't sentient prior or during the operation.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Yes abortion is murder. Murder is the unjust taking of a human life. An unborn baby is certainly a human life - and the convenience of the mother (which accounts for 99% of US abortions) is hardly a justification.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

For the unjust taking of a human life to qualify as murder, one must show intent. Most women do not believe their fetus is a human life. Therefore they do not intend to end a human life. Thus, even if abortion is the unjust taking of a human life, it often (though not always) cannot be equated to murder.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

Well what kind of life do they think their fetus is then? Plant life perhaps? Sorry, but not realizing it's a human life (which biology can easily prove) is no excuse at all.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

In fairness you would have to ask each individual woman that question wouldn't you ? Again to say " plant life perhaps " is rather harsh .You're making a blanket statement regarding what you think women do not realise ; also who do they need an excuse for , and why would you assume this ?
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

Well if they do realize it's a human life, then clearly they know they're taking it, correct? In that case, it's murder - unless of course they can prove the baby deserved it.And if they don't realize it then it's still murder, because the young life is still human - regardless of the mother's inability to comprehend simply biology.If it seems like I'm painting with a broad brush here, that's because I see only two possibilities: human or inhuman, moral or immoral, life or death. I don't see a middle option at all. Plus, I'm fairly certain, deep down, all know it's a human life. Some just try very, very hard, to convince themselves otherwise.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

But how do know collectively what women feel ? Also you honestly think that women who abort percieve themselves as murderers and you know this how ?Your use of the word ''deserve ' carries impact whether intended or not ,would you say to such a woman ' you murdered a baby because you thought it deserved it ?Then again you say if a woman doesn't realise it's a young life it's because she may not comprehend simple biology ?Everyone in this debate is merely giving their views as to the morality of the situation and the law as in the term murder , is tossed about like confetti at a wedding ,it is important not to get morality - right and wrong - mixed up with the law .Yes YOU see only two possibilities human -inhuman ,moral -immoral ,and deep down again you know what people think ?When you state what you've just stated you're not just saying how you feel you're making a CLAIM youre saying what you say is true therefore what the woman says is false ... so you're right and that's that ?A pregnant woman is not MORALLY obliged to carry a pregnancy to term ,there is no moral requirement for her to allow the foetus to use her body in order to survive .If she aborts she does not violate the fetus's right to life , she deprives it of sustenance provided by here over which it does not have a RIGHT .
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

I don't understand what this means: "it is important not to get morality - right and wrong - mixed up with the law"Are you saying immoral laws are not a big deal? If we pass a law tomorrow, which requires the extermination of the mentally ill, wouldn't you object on moral grounds?"When you state what you've just stated you're not just saying how you feel you're making a CLAIM youre saying what you say is true therefore what the woman says is false ... so you're right and that's that ?"What? Sorry I'm not following. As they say in Japan, mo ichido, kudasai. "A pregnant woman is not MORALLY obliged to carry a pregnancy to term ,there is no moral requirement for her to allow the foetus to use her body in order to survive ."Because according to you, using a body is much more worse than killing a body? Do you also think there's no moral requirement for the mother to care for the child after it's born? Can she just leave it in a dumpster - free from any moral/legal judgement? If not, then why not?"If she aborts she does not violate the fetus's right to life , she deprives it of sustenance provided by here over which it does not have a RIGHT ."Again, that argument could easily be extended to children already born. What would you say to someone who no longer wants to provide sustenance to their 6 month old baby? Obviously, you'll want to try to argue that the child only has value after they're born, to which I would say - why? If you don't believe the value of human life is innate, then what magical transformation occurs within the vaginal canal, which bestows this value as the child is born? Is it just the independence from the mother's physical body? Newborns are hardly independent creatures though - even after they're born - so I'd like to hear your distinction from a baby in the womb to a baby swaddled in a blanket.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

I'm saying you're pushing moral law into a question on what we are talking about which is a woman's right to do what SHE CHOOSES with her own body .Again regarding law what's an immoral law opposed to a moral law ?It was illegal for blacks to do many things in the states in the 50s and they were all so called moral laws weren't they ?I'm saying the claim you're making is just you saying I'm right she's wrong end of story .Why the Japanese ? It's stuacacht linbh , that's in my native tounge and it's as we say here No again to correct you when did I ever use the term 👉much worse 👈 when did I say a foetus was a body ?When did we talk about a baby after its born ?When did I talk about leaving children in dumpsters ?But we are not talking about children already born ?I never mentioned 6 month old babies did I ?I never mentioned or argued about a child after it's born ?I never asked about when life begins that's another red herring A baby in the womb and a baby in the blanket again fails to address even one of my points , you really need to go back to what I stated as you've addressed nothing but just attempted to shove your opinion down my throat
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

You said that murder is the unjust taking of a human life. Murder also requires intent. If you look at what the other side argues, they are constantly saying that a fetus is not a human life. So women go to the doctor to remove human tissue that is alive but not yet human in their mind. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's not murder (except arguably for the doctor).
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

And to the Nazi mind, Jews weren't human either. Thus, according to them, they weren't committing murder when they exterminated 6 million of them - but we all know that they were.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Abortion does cause pain to the baby inside the mother. Many may argue that abortion causes no pain what so ever, this is wrong. Their argument states that a baby cannot feel pain before its cerebral cortex is functioning. This is simply not true. There is a part of the brain that is present in the early stages of pregnancy that is known as the thalamus. This part of the brain is there and functioning within 8 weeks of pregnancy. Anyways, even if the baby, at no point of the pregnancy, could feel pain, it would still be wrong. Killing someone in their sleep might be painless, but it is still murder. Therefore, abortion is unethical, even if the point of no pain abortion was true.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

If a woman is raped, there is still no grounds for killing the baby. It is illogical to believe that it is justifiable that when a woman is raped, that that pregnancy be terminated. If one day, every son and daughter of any rapist were to be killed, would that be morally justified? If not, then why do you justify doing that exact same thing, only to little babies who haven’t even been born? Another reason is that if you were to abort the baby of a woman who was raped, it would be exactly the same as if you were to give someone the death penalty because their father was a criminal. Therefore, it is not morally justifiable to abort a baby whose father is a rapist.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Abortion is murder unless the mother's life is in danger.......................................................
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

A fertilized egg is indeed a human being. The argument was brought up that killing a group of cells is not murder, seeing as it is not life. This point is not true in the least. All multicellular organisms start out life as unicellular. Through the process of mitosis, one cell becomes two, two becomes four, and so on. Cells accumulate to become tissues, tissues accumulate to become organs, and organs accumulate to become the fully mature organism. At no point in the middle of this process is there an official start of life. It is in the beginning, when the egg is fertilized, that there is a living being. it, therefore, cannot be argued that life does not start at conception. Furthermore, a collection of cells, no matter how small, is life, whether human or not determines its value.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

A fertilized egg is a different human being than its mother. Dermot has pointed out that "Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being, i.e. it is a part of the woman," but the truth is, the so-called "fetus" is actually a human at the moment of conception, as proven in section (1). It is an undisputed scientific fact that a genetically normal human has 46 chromosomes, and a genetically normal human gamete cell has 23. It is also an undisputed fact that each and every cell in our body has a nucleus, and in that nucleus, there is enough DNA to make 23 pairs of chromosomes. When a sperm fertilises an egg, there are 23 chromosomes from mom, and 23 from dad, which just so happen to add up to 46, which defines the species of homo sapien. Since the fertilised gamete cell was fertilised, from then on, it cannot be classified as a gamete cell, but as a somatic cell, this somatic cell will then undergo the cellular process as described in section (1). Therefore, you cannot argue that the baby is part of the mother.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

An unborn baby has its own separate DNA. If I were to take a tissue sample from 3 people, using DNA fingerprinting, it is indisputable that I could tell the difference between each human that I tested. Now, the same principle can be applied to an unborn baby and its mother. If a tissue sample was taken from the unborn, and one from its mother, a simple DNA test would conclude that the unborn child is different from the parent. Furthermore, if the DNA in a child is different than the mother, then how can it have been logically deduced that the baby was part of the mother until it is born? The explanation of this is simple, gamete cells are created, not by mitosis, but by meiosis, which is different for one reason: the cells that are produced are not genetically identical to one another. When the two gametes (egg and sperm) come together to fertilise, they create a somatic cell, as explained before, and this somatic cell is different than any cell in the body of the woman. Therefore, the baby is not part of the mother.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

The fertilized egg is in fact living. When two gamete cells come together, they form one cell. This cell is an organism that is completely different from its mother. Not only does the cell have different DNA, but it is alive. According to the cell theory, cells are the basic units of LIFE. I would like to focus on that 4-letter word for just a second. How exactly could cells be the basic unit of life, AND a collection of cells not be alive? This is obviously a fallacy of the law of noncontradiction. Furthermore, a collection of cells that is actively replicating and growing is the definition of life. There is no non living thing on this earth that happens to be self-replicating and grows. So let me ask how a growing, self-replicating organism can be classified as non living. As has been proven, it is impossible to logically argue that the “fetus” is not alive.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Abortion is legalized murder. Sickening!Remember when it was legal to kill slaves. The Democrat Party wanted to keep it legal to do so!Now here we are again today, after the Democrat Party claims to have gained some humanity, that the new socially acceptable victims of a selfish barbaric people is our babies.But they got even worse if possible. They are sacrificing our most innocent of human life, our babies. Our babies can't speak for themselves. They can't defend themselves and most importantly.....they can't vote!Democrats give little attention to people who will not vote for them.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

And during the time is was not murder to kill a slave. Use the definiton of the word stop trying to make loop holes. killing slaves or having them in anyway is wrong yes but because killing them then was legal it was not murder.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

That is what he is saying. You democrats think it is right to kill a baby when it has the right to live. Same with the slaves. It was legal at the time, but it does not mean it was right at all. Same with the babies. It is legal now, but that does not mean it is okay.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

No that is not what he is saying. I am not democratic I do not identify with this broken system. Also I do not believe killing a babe is right in anyway if you read what I said and read the resolution you would see what I am saying by definition it is not murder it is legal It is wrong yes but legal and by definition of the resolution is not murder.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

it is murder because you are killing someone,you dont give them a chance at living life which is stupid,i believe everyone should have a chance to live there life and we are just robbing it,the only reason to abort is if the mother is in danger.So therfore abortion is murder
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Alright so the baby isn't allowed the same rights as someone who is outside of the womb? okay so lets make you swallow a poisonous pill and take your life because we don't want you anymore. Yes i understand rape is also a big cause of it but lets be real, we have adoption centers as well as foster care systems that you can give the baby to.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

We have the right to live. Babies that are not born yet are still humans, but they are not formed yet, as HillarySucks said. Dermot said that murder is taking the life out of another human being through the initiation of physical force. As I said before, babies that are not born yet are still human beings, and the people that are aborting the baby are initiating a physical force to kill it. I do not agree with people calling the unborn babies a fetus because they are humans as I have stated multiple times.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

As I said, we have the right to live. Think about this: What if you were aborted? You would never be arguing this right now. If your brother or sister or just anyone in your family that is close to you was aborted, how would you feel? You would probably be on the other side of this argument. You need to also think about the life of the baby that was aborted. They could have a whole life ahead of them. If you killed somebody that had already been born and had the brain capacity to know you were killing them, you would feel bad if you had a heart. This is just like aborting a baby.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

I agree. GodIsNotDead got inside and used emotions. I like that. They used things that were absolutely true, but that you would not ever think of. Most of you are into logic, everything is about logic, as most people say. But it is not always about logic.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

Didn't say that ...No , Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being, i.e. it is a part of the woman.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

No , Murder is the taking of the life of another human being through the initiation of physical force. Abortion is not murder, because a fetus is not an actual human being—it is a potential human being, i.e. it is a part of the woman.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Probably why you took out your brain..............................
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

So where's the advantage in taking away a potential human life?
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

A fertilized egg is not human life. The advantage is the mother, possibly 15, possibly has been raped, not living a miserable life because of a dumb desicion, or worse, something that she didnt decide at all.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

Notice I didn't say it was a human life. I said it was a potential human life. It could grow into a fantastic person that solves serious world issues but that will never happen now because it died before it got the chance to live. If a 15 year old girl gets raped the rapist should be tracked down and either castrated or killed. But why does being raped automatically give you the right to take a life? If a girl gets raped and then shoots someone is that fair to the person that got shot?
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

That's right. Except it is a part of the woman.It isn't really a part.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

If you had cared to research your side, you will find that the "fetus is NOT part of the woman. it has a completely different set of DNA and chromosomes. When something is part of someone, it has the same DNA, and exact same DNA fingerprinting as the other tissues in the body.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

What do you mean by "actual human being"Whether black, brown or white dog....its still a dog.All the seed needs is germination to qualify for that name.....of the plant.
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

At least try and type something sensible ,you're making no sense you cretin , even though you say if three times :)
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is Murder

You have always had a problem comprehending my metaphors, personifications and other devices.....How frozen thick is your head?
Debate: Is Abortion Murder?
Side: Abortion Is NOT Murder

Perhaps because that "metaphor" (*analogy) doesn't work in the slightest.Your analogy implies that he is saying that different types of humans are worth less. Your analogy would work better against a racist; a dog is still a dog whether they're brown, black or white; a human is still a human whether they're brown, black or white.A foetus is a fraction of a human, not a different "type" of human. A group of cells connected to a woman's body. If it cannot survive outside the womb, then the woman holds the decision of what to do with it.If you are against early abortions, then you must be against masturbation, and sex for pleasure, because it's the same concept. All you're doing is killing cells which are not human yet, but have the potential to be human.