azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Evolution doesn't 'seek' anything. Evolution favors those who are best suited to the environment they are in. Now those who are the most adaptable will do well in many environments. Humans are quite adaptable. We have pretty much removed ourselves from many environmental evolutionary forcing. Cold weather? Wear more clothes. Hot weather? AC. Species that do not have our capabilities that were listed by you folks for instance have better chances of survival in certain areas for sure, but just a note, humans can survive on every continent even Antarctica, no ants or cockroaches there! No trees either at this time in history. Using such measures doesn't work well though if you are saying one species is better than the other because many species are highly specialized for their environment. I mean look at penguins and polar bears. Just because species X can survive radiation doesn't mean it is 'better' than a species that cannot. There is no species that is the highest form of evolution.Small rodents are adapted to the environment they fit into. They are mainly nocturnal animals with highly developed senses of hearing for example, this allows them to avoid many predators. As ambush hunters crocodiles are highly adapted to their environment. Their eye placement allows them to be mostly underwater keeping them hidden from their prey. By using measures that do not pertain to those environments is silly. It is like saying humans are not the highest form of life because we cannot breath water, and the earth is mostly water.Philosophy is our ability to reason, it has improved our ability to survive. It has allowed us to differentiate through trial and error for instance. Evolution isn't random chance. It is random mutations but driven by natural selection. Mutations that are beneficial have statistically better odds at passing on their genes than ones that do not.Anyways feel free to ignore me. I jumped in an established discussion because it seemed to have ended.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

im too tired right now.Just passing by to say that I read your argument and I might reply tomorrow. :)
Debate: Is there God?
Side: No

This should be on the "No" side of the debate.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Yeah I hit clarify because this seems to be along evolution and not 'is there a god or not' as the original debate is aimed at.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Sorry if I was unable to reply yesterday-too much workEvolution favors those who are best suited to the environment they are inAs far as I can see...mankind was never made to adapt to anything. Our long legs made us unable to live in the swamps, slow and easy to tire made living in the plains too hard, and slow birthrate should have doomed us to extinction. But we didn'tIntelligence was our only weapon. We used shoes against mud, bow and arrows in the plains and medicine made our life longer.Mankind was never gifted with any skill to even survive in the wild, and yet, here we are controlling the food chain and restricting ourselves from destroying too much.Dont you find that weird?I know that evolution is real, but I vote for intelligence design over random mutations
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Don't you find it weird that everything "God" gave us is incredibly worthless?Humans were able to invent things to adapt to the environment. Evolution's crowning achievement is that it led to a creature that doesn't need natural selection to adapt. All your examples show is that God gave us nothing and we were able to adapt without Him. That is the worst design ever. That's like designing a car, but only coming up with the frame, then the frame invents wheels and an engine and starts driving everywhere, and calling that a good design.You can vote all you want, but science isn't a democracy.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

I didn't really expect a reply as it is off topic of the debate...which seems to be dead now.I disagree with a few parts....mankind was never made to adapt to anything...Considering I say mankind isn't 'made' to do anything sure:) I think I know what you mean though but then you list a bunch of things showing that man has used intellect to adapt to environments that are outside of the environment of our evolutionary beginnings in the African plains.My only point there is that man is adaptable via intellect. slow and easy to tire made living in the plains too hard,...We are highly developed 'persistence hunters'. That has been a topic among paleontologists and anthropologists for a long while when discussing why look how we do. We are quite well suited for hunting on open plains where mankind developed from out evolutionary beginnings. David Attenborough discussed this form of hunting in a documentary this form of hunting was practiced on the African Savannah during many of our lifetimes.Humans used to hunt by wearing out our prey, we are long distance runners. Many four legged animals are way faster than us in a sprint but they cannot keep that pace up for long periods. As Humans we also cool ourselves much easier than many other mammals because we sweat, the prey would get over heated long before a hunter would. We are a product of our environment. But I already noted we recently have almost removed ourselves from any environmental evolutionary forces. This doesn't mean we are not evolving in any way it is just that the environmental forces are not favoring any traits over another as well as large populations being very stable evolution wise.There was a thread a bit ago that was saying something to the tune of 'Is it OK if a deity were responsible for evolution'. I noted it is ok as long as it isn't taught as science because it is not a scientific idea, it is not testable.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Humans used to hunt by wearing out our prey, we are long distance runners. Indeed. Then came the time when humans has learned how to farm. Ever since then, being "persistence hunters" has contradicted our way of life.We discovered the art of settling down and forming communities. We invented agriculture and selective breeding. But considering how we were built, none of those should have ever been.My only point there is that man is adaptable via intellect.Surviving through the use of intelligence is one thing. But wont you agree that mankind has become way too intelligent?Every living creature fears death, but only mankind was able to create religion and formulate philosophies to cope up with those fearsSelf sacrifice is not rare in the animal world. But only humans will kill another human in sadistic ways for an illogical reason. E.g, burying people alive to assist the Pharoah, sacrifice for the gods, and so onAll creatures fear what they do not understand but why would humans slaughter homosexuals, commit genocide, and discriminate other religions or ethnic groups when they do not cause any harm to our societyThe more you look at it, the more illogical it looks. I vote for intelligent design. How bout you? Will you really consider this as mere coincidence in the gene pool?
Debate: Is there God?
Side: No

But wont you agree that mankind has become way too intelligent?I am in the camp that we aren't smart enough. The stuff you list supports that! Just look at all of the terrible things you listed. I do not think anything you wrote promotes intelligent design as it seems to show we are still deeply flawed is all. All ID says is 'this is what happens, and a deity made it so' which is just a jump in logic I cannot make, it is non sequitur. It is a statement that cannot be tested. It should be 'this is what happens, now why?' If we haven't explained something yet in science saying a god did it is just lazy thinking. It is just a place holder until we do find out what causes these things. This has shown to be problematic thinking that stands in the way of discovery and progress.God of the gaps is not a good road for religious to go down as it just forces them to move goal posts as scientific discoveries are made or scientific ignore discoveries. Evolution is just that example, ID is a moving of the goal posts from us always being made a certain way, the other route is to just say evolution isn't true and we were always 'made' how we are. We see both camps in religious groups today.But considering how we were built, none of those should have ever been.I don't see this, we are highly social mammals. Social creatures have an intelligence we can relate to. You noted self sacrifice not being rare for instance. Selecting for more group minded mates is common among social mammals.Women have a limited time and amount of eggs to have children, they have to be choosey whose genes they get, men have an unlimited supply of their half though so they have to be competitive with each other for potential mateOur intelligence has allowed us to change some of the criteria for selecting mates for more than physical prowess. There is no reason to need a creator as it can all be explained through natural processes of selection for favorable traits and long periods of time.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Just passing by to say that I am too busy right now. I will reply tomorrow (i hope)
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Sorry for the late reply. Ill try to keep up with my messy schedulesI do not think anything you wrote promotes intelligent design as it seems to show we are still deeply flawed is allIt does actually. Together with other animals, we all had a single common parent gene but we humans are the only ones who has the ability to question our belief. In fact, it appears like we are the only ones who can even create a belief systemBelieving in the existence of a creator does not change anything in the equation of how the universe came to be. It simply adds purpose to being aliveI don't see this, we are highly social mammals. Social creatures have an intelligence we can relate to. You dont see dolphins (2nd smartest animals) making their own religion, formulating a government, not even have a concept of time.Same goes to apes, wolves, elephants and other social animals.Extreme intelligence is something unique only to humans. And if Evolution happens in order to adapt to the environment, then how does having a belief system, moral code and philosophical learning improves our survival?
Debate: Is there God?
Side: No

Extreme intelligence is something unique only to humans...In fact, it appears like we are the only ones who can even create a belief systemI noted we can relate to aspects of social animals and their behaviors but this is a comparative measure using our own viewpoint as a control. As a species though we put a high value on our type of intelligence.Xanophese said "If horses had gods they would look like horses." If horses have similar hubris towards their own species as we show towards ourselves then we can assume they would use measures that favor themselves to show any divinity in their making which is just circular reasoning no matter who is doing it.Plato was guilty of this same reasoning in his 'The Republic' when he described men being in charge as natural because that is the state they are in now. His measures included natural differences in men and women where men have the advantage (as well as a description of women that isn't too accurate). It is easy to look at a measure and agree with it even if it is flawed if it favors you!We already discussed this a bit. To use a measure that is specific to any species as a measure for greatness is futile and incredibly subjective. We are different than other animals in 'X' way. We can identify things that separate us in our brains' development etc. and we can explain these changes through natural selection. But to say ID is why these things were selected or initiated is just a jump in logic that does not follow and cannot be proven as well as showing an amount of hubris and circular reasoning that I cannot get on board with.That is the ever receding or ever moving deity I noted last time. Either gods ability shrinks when we discover something or the posts get moved back and now god is responsible for the new thing instead of the old.We already have a working mechanism (natural selection) and to pin a deity on it is not only untestable it is not needed for the system to work. if Evolution happens in order to adapt to the environment, then how does having a belief system, moral code and philosophical learning improves our survival?There is plenty written about how social behaviors are selected. Our environment includes living things around us, predators, prey and even our families. Reciprocity is key here, animals that share their resources among their peers have a better chance of getting resources back in similar manner. Things like being selfish would reduce the chances of being a potential mate in the eyes of others as it could reduce resources available to them and reduce the chances of living through hard times such as drought because there would be less reciprocity of resources given. Here you have the start of a moral code forming about sharing. Now if you extrapolate this out for a very long time there would be a list of things that are considered good for the group and bad for the group. Here you have the start of philosophy and religions.Evolution via natural selection has time on its side. The foundation of these ideas like morality didn't start with the type of intelligence we have now but much earlier.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

As a species though we put a high value on our type of intelligence.We are different than other animals in 'X' way.I agree that every animal is different from the other. Each one has their own uniqueness and such. My point is; why is it that the one who sits on the top of the food chain is the one who has the least weapons and the only one who can formulate a religion?Dont you find it odd that only humans has the ability of reasoning and keeps track of time?It is impossible to prove nor disprove the existence of God using the scientific formula. But believing in one does not change anything.There is plenty written about how social behaviors are selected. You failed to explain the reason for having a belief system, philosophical rule. Our History is also ridden with dark tales such as slavery, genocide and slaughter homosexuals. It does not contribute to our survival rate, and yet it exists.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

For instance I would argue that our intellect is also a weapon, perhaps the deadliest weapon.Just my 2 cents: No, intelligence is not the deadliest weapon. There has been a species that is much smarter than humans. But they got extinct for being too smart. They were so intelligent, they abandoned the need for community and since they are their brains are at highspeed, the stress must have taken its toll on them.I cant be sure of what is mankind's true uniqueness. But just ignore this. This is nothing more than a minor dispute.There doesn't need to be a 'why' for us forming religion.And up until know, it exists because of the need for answersWhat happens after we die?How can something come from nothing?Does miracle exists?What am I here for?The questions that created religion are the same questions that we still cannot answer. I don't find it odd at all.My point is, if every single animal came from a single parent gene, how come only humans can be so unique?We all had the same start, followed the same timeline, lived in the same planet, and yet, humans are the only ones who can create technology, write history, and probably appreciate the beauty of Earth.You can reject it as mere coincidence in the gene pool, but I wont ignore the elephant in the room.I told you how it would start. The reason it is there is because it was a bunch of beneficial things that started to accumulate over time.Consider this a clarification: You simply explained the process of empathy, community and social hierarchy.But in the end, we went back to square 1; You failed to explain how it happened that only humans can do such a feat.You dont see animals selling their children, killing homosexuals and giving rights to an inferior species. Admit it, the uniqueness of humans is what makes the concept of a heartless evolution seem a little bit weird and inexplicablesighNotice how the wisest scientists have an open mind towards spirituality? It is not a jump in logic, but an idea that gives your life a meaning.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

Community or a sense of it is not dependent on intelligence but a specific kind of intelligence.I have a poor research here, so i will just skip this. If you dont mind, that is.Right, and I showed where some answered 'eroded' because we answered them. uhh...what? It is impossible to answer the question of afterlife unless you came back from the dead. Hence, as long as we do not have any evidence of what lies out there, religion will never disappear.We are not the only unique creatures, here is that centric thinking again of the sun revolving around us.But we are, arent we?In a physical sense; yes, every animal has their own uniqueness. But over all, have you seen any other types of animals who can study science, invent literature and managed to leave the planet?The majority of biologists for example are not theists.Correct me if im wrong, but arent Charles Darwin a theologist? I would also point out there are many ways to get meaning out of life. A deity is not the only path.Every person in the world desires to live for a purpose than to be born and die as a meaningless substance. But I agree, you dont need religion to believe in a god.You haven't explained how it logically follows, in fact no one has.Simple: By knowing that you were born for a reason, lives with a purpose and die as someone valued gives everyone a sense of joy. Its the basics of philosophyWe have more metal capacity to understand or develop the complexity.And thats my point. Its weird how every animal species has another species that can rival their intelligence and strength, except humans.We are the only animal who does not recognize any lesser race and protects animals that does not benefits us in anyway
Debate: Is there God?
Side: No

Right, and I showed where some answered 'eroded' because we answered them.uhh...what? It is impossible to answer the question of afterlife unless you came back from the dead. Hence, as long as we do not have any evidence of what lies out there, religion will never disappear.I didn't answer that one, I showed where beliefs used to hold a god accountable for an action but when science found out why that action happens the idea of god had to move to be in charge of the new finding or just cede the idea.I am not sure you get what I am saying as you keep using circular thinking for your point and it keeps cropping up. Example: But over all, have you seen any other types of animals who can study science, invent literature and managed to leave the planet?Its weird how every animal species has another species that can rival their intelligence and strength, except humans.How is this. Men are better than women. Men are stronger and in general have more facial hair.By using criteria that is favorable you can claim anything whether others will think it is right or not, all this shows is subjectivity of the speaker. This is what you are doing but instead of sexes you are using species. I also contest that it is weird what you point out. Things evolve together, predator/prey. It makes evolutionary sense that many species are adapted to be at odds with each other. As for humans, we have almost removed ourselves from evolutionary forcing of predator/prey. We have no natural predators as an apex predator. Other animals have adapted to this, they have learned to run from humans.Really the things you keep using as odd examples are easily explained with evolution.Correct me if im wrong, but arent Charles Darwin a theologist?And correct me if I am wrong...he is not the majority either. If you are talking science and using examples from the 1800's you are not talking science but history. Science is current, using science from the past is an exercise in how much our understanding of things has changed and little else.But I agree, you dont need religion to believe in a god.Not what I said. I said you do not need a god/deity to have meaning in life.Simple: By knowing that you were born for a reason, lives with a purpose and die as someone valued gives everyone a sense of joy. Its the basics of philosophy'A deity exists' follows 'knowing you were born with a reason to live'? I disagree. I also disagree people are born with a reason to live, I feel they figure that out as their own reason to live as they go. I do not believe life is not predetermined. Of course we all have the same basic needs, beyond that though is personal discrete reasons.
Debate: Is there God?
Side: Yes

I didn't answer that one, I showed where beliefs used to hold a god accountable for an action but when science found out why that action happens the idea of god had to move to be in charge of the new finding or just cede the idea.Using a diety to fill in the blanks makes sense if you ask me.This is not circular thinking, it is just impossible to make progress in an argument that cannot be tested.By using criteria that is favorable you can claim anything whether others will think it is right or not, all this shows is subjectivity of the speaker.I am not using a personal criteria. I am pointing out the fact that differs humans from an ordinary animal.We all had the same beginnings but only humans has managed to take over the whole ecosystem of the planet, conquer our predators and travel through space. In less than 10,000 years of existenceAdmit it, we are specialAnd correct me if I am wrong...he is not the majority either.He is a scientist who made major contributions in the field of biology. Hence I am implying that if biology can cause someone to loose faith, he would be the first one to be.A 2009 study showed that the population of scientists who believes in a god ranks at 51% while atheists are at 41%, the rest are undecided.Furthermore, scientists today are no less likely to believe in God than they were almost 100 years ago, when the scientific community was first polled on this issue. In 1914, 11 years before the Scopes "monkey" trial and four decades before the discovery of the structure of DNA, psychologist James Leuba asked 1,000 U.S. scientists about their views on God. He found the scientific community evenly divided, with 42% saying that they believed in a personal God and the same number saying they did not. Scientists have unearthed many important fossils since then, but they are, if anything, more likely to believe in God today.Of course we all have the same basic needs, beyond that though is personal discrete reasons.It is a matter of being recognized and valued, my friend.No matter how many people you allow yourself to be surrounded with, only you can understand who you really are and it is a sad thing to hear no voice other than your own. Here is the part where a believer gains all the advantages and as to why religious people tend to live happier.