Debate: American Gun Advocates Are Incredibly Selfish Individuals
Side: Yes

So you’re saying only talk about guns used in killings .Also if it’s “ ok “ why are you moaning about it ?So your rather long point is that guns are not a problem but swimming pools are ?It’s interesting to note that you said the Irish have a drink problem because they drink and it’s cultural yet 30,000 people a year die by guns and 70,000 are injured but it’s a gang related problem and nothing to do with guns , how does that work ?Let’s see drunk driving is not a drink problem but a car problem is that the way it works ? Incidentally you do realize swimming pools were made for pleasure guns were made to kill do you see a difference there ? Your swimming pool example is pure bullshit and a favourite ploy of the N R A , it’s a pity you resort to deception as in misrepresentating the figures to attempt to make a case , it’s also pathetic , this piece contains stats from your own favorite site the C DC thanfully the author has represented the facts as written and hasn’t resorted to deception From RTBRepeat a lie often enough, and people (who don’t bother to look into the facts, and who like the sound of the lie) will repeat it along with you.With a few well-spent minutes with the latest Centers for Disease Control (CDC) statistics, I quickly realized that the claim was completely false.Now, if you want to say that more U.S. children, age 14 and under, die from drowning than die from being shot, that is actually true. Of course, this is something like saying more U.S. children, age 14 and under, die from drowning than from heroin overdoses. More nine-year-olds go swimming than are shooting up or packing heat.However, once you add in the next age-based demographic group, which is 15- to 24-year-olds, the total number of deaths by drowning is easily eclipsed by the total number of deaths by firearm.For a quick comparison of the 2013 CDC statistics:Age 14 and under, deaths by drowning: 625Age 14 and under, deaths by firearm (intentional and otherwise): 408Age 15 to 24, deaths by drowning: 501Age 15 to 24, deaths by firearm (intentional and otherwise): 6085So, by including those people over the age of 14 in the statistics, the numbers skew undeniably toward guns being much more dangerous than swimming pools. Including all age groups in the U.S., there is a total of 3,391 drowning deaths to a total of 33,169 deaths by firearm.Also, keep in mind that drowning does not only include swimming pools. It includes all drowning that is non-boating-related. Anybody who drowns in a bathtub, a lake, a river, an ocean, or any other body of water is included in the statistics. So, really, swimming pools would appreciate it if you would quit blaming them for all of the drowning deaths.But, even if the statistics weren’t so blatantly obvious in spelling out the relative danger of guns versus drowning, the assertion of the relative danger of swimming pools versus guns is, on its face, rather stupid.For instance, I could not pick up a swimming pool and walk into a school, a movie theater, or a church, and start drowning people with it.Similarly, when a woman asks her estranged husband for a divorce, there’s something of a greater threat that he will get a gun, shoot her, all their children, and himself, than there is that he is going to drug any of them and pitch them into the backyard swimming pool. And, in case you hadn’t thought about it, a big chunk of those homicide-by-firearm statistics for the 14-and-under crowd involve fathers murdering their families.We can even use the pro-gun folks’ favorite (albeit highly unlikely) scenario of a home invasion to show the ridiculousness of weighing the threat level of swimming pools versus guns. Your front door is kicked in, and three men storm in—shoot them (with the gun you keep at your side at all times in your home, just in case anybody kicks in your front door), or try to lure them into the swimming pool?Just by the stationary nature of swimming pools, it’s relatively easy to steer clear of them, as well as most other bodies of water. But with the NRA pushing for everybody to have access to guns everywhere and at all times, concealed or open carry, who knows when you’re going to find yourself dealing with some Frank Castle wannabe or an aspiring Dylann Roof–who, by the way, thinks he’s one of the good guys with guns?I suppose I could throw a bone to the pro-gun folks and say that in terms of accidental deaths, there are more deaths by drowning than deaths by accidental discharge of firearms across all age categories. Those totals—drowning: 3,391, accidental discharge of firearms: 505. Even if we add in the 281 deaths by firearm that may or may not have been intentional, deaths by drowning win by a pretty hefty margin over accidental and possibly-accidental deaths by firearm. Still, a swimming pool, even in your own backyard, is less likely to be involved in the death of a family member than a gun you own, especially when you factor in the extreme number of suicides by firearm—21,175. Again, the swimming pool (or, I should say, bodies of water) could have an edge on killing your kids who are still under the age of 14, but after that age, the gun surges ahead by thousands.Okay—I know that actually citing statistics with pro-gun people is about as useful as, say, asking my dogs to brush their own teeth. In fact, I can easily imagine the pro-gunners reading the paragraph immediately preceding this one and taking it as evidence that swimming pools are, in fact, more dangerous than guns. But I included it anyway, so that the overall picture is hopefully clearer, and so that any readers will have all the information they need to refute anyone who wants to claim that swimming pools are deadlier than guns.The rest of your post is just you burying your head in the sand and firing off stats in an attempt to convince yourself that the U S does not have a gun problem , so childhood deaths through guns not a problem , injuries through guns no worries , 22,000 suicides yearly through guns no worries if it wasn’t that could have been a swimming pool etc , etc, It’s a pity you’re so upset at me asking about gun accidents and feel the need to childishly state it’s moving the goalposts , if you look at any numbers I post at all I will be surprised as you tend to avoid anything that’s uncomfortable for you