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Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Without question God is in favor of men who love him. Christians give more money to charities to than all others combined.I disagree. What is your source? I'll bet any person of any religion is just as likely as the next to give to charity. Atheists and agnostics included.Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. John 4 4: What's the point of quoting the Bible in a debate about god? Who is that for? Anyone who thinks like you doesn't need it, and any who don't think like you only thinks it's silly.Our founding fathers built this nation based on God, whether people want to accept it or not it's all over the and written into the constitution for people that don't agree with the doctrine than move to another country where there Constitution fits your beliefs more. No dumb dumb, our country was founded on religious freedom, not religion. Most of our forefathers were Deist, which means: "The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation."You bible thumpers just decided to high-jack the whole thing. "In God We Trust" wasn't printed on money until 1957... 1957! for crying out loud! The only mention any of our founding documents make of a god are two instances where they refer to a "creator" which could mean any damn thing and in no way discounts the possibility of an absence of one.I mean, Benjamin Franklin once said light houses were more useful than churches. Jefferson wrote his own version of the New Testament omitting all of the Jesus stuff. Regardless of what you happen to believe, arguing our country was founded on religion is revisionist at best, and quite against the spirit of the Constitution.It's not just by coincidence that we have become the most powerful nation on every level in the shortest amount of time in history.Again, this religious revision of our past is a recent phenomenon, and we were doing quite well before you annoying drones begin shoving it down everyone's throat. I mean, name one "religious" state that isn't a third world country. Every successful nation in history has separated church and State, including ours. This Evangelical push to make everyone drink the kool-aid can only end in disaster..However the further we as a nation get further away from God the more kaos and trouble we will face as a nation, and that is happening now.bs. 1. there's no sign that this country is now any further away from your invisible dude in the sky than ever before, in fact, the religious have more power now than at any time in our history. 2. The troubles facing our nation are all real problems that praying won't help, Economy = lack of over site, War in Iraq = a president lying to us about WMD's (who was one of your types by the way, real christianly of him),Afghanistan = 9/11,Those are the three main problems we have. Notice god plays no role in any of them... well except of course that the attacks on us on 9/11 were in the name of a god.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

You would like to believe that but the actual facts of the matter and statistics prove you wrong.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

nah uh - is not a valid argument against what someone says
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

I respect your opinion that's just the way you feel. I hardly ever see or hear about agnostics giving anything to any charity. It's a given fact the Christians and Organizations help more than any other. If tomorrow God came down and took all the the believers away and there was no more Christians this world would go to hell in a hand basket fast. I guess the argument is for the greater good. For years we have asked God to get out of our schools and our life and our country. So when something bad happens like 9/11 we all of a sudden ask God why did he remove his protection. Total Hypocrisy
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I think I see the problem here.You live on a different planet.1. again, there's 0 proof Christians give any more to charity than anyone else. Where are your statistics? There's no reason to think that Christians give more than a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or Atheist. There's no proof. It's your opinion, and your opinion is not based on anything at all.2. If tomorrow god came and took all the Christians I'd be super glad because you guys are annoying. That aside though, there's no such thing so unfortunately it's not going to happen. If it did though, everyone would get along just fine. I mean, you people didn't even start showing up on this planet until 300 years after that guy Jesus (who may have never even existed) died, and everything was just peachy without you.3. Yeah, god is a private thing, and you have the right to believe in god or the easter bunny or big foot or whatever the hell you want. Problem is, Christians don't want religious freedom you nuts want everyone to believe your own insanity. But nope, sorry, the constitution is clear. Church and State are separate, and god should not be in public schools in any form whatsoever. Start your own school if you don't like it, but don't try to put it on everyone else.3. So when something bad happens like 9/11 we all of a sudden ask God why did he remove his protection. Total HypocrisyYou dumbass. 9/11 had nothing to do with "god's protection"it was terrorists.God has never stopped a single tragedy in the history of the world, and he's not about to start just because you force your silly beliefs on other people.And your insinuation that somehow people die because of what they believe is not only incredibly stupid. But offensive, evil, and frankly why so many bright people like myself have gone from indifferent about your silly cult, to downright hating it.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

I'm sorry you have so much disbelief. Obviously you put a lot of energy to justify in your own-self about any faith towards God. I'm just going dispute some of the comments about if the world would be better of if Christians where gone. All I have to say is think of a places in the world where there is no God and you will only see death, poverty and despair. The evolution is a farce. Do you remember the cover of national geographic when they had a ape like skull saying that they have found the missing link. Of course that was found out to be a fraud. Point I'm making is, all you have to do is look around and look at the perfect order of nature the extreme complexity and to not even think that there is a creator designer behind it that it is just a mere coincidence. It's just stupid to think that all you are is just a piece of walking flesh do to the fact that evolution is the only reason you are here. And that all of nature with it's perfect order is because. Just look up the number of charities and the number is overwhelmingly Christian based probably the number would be actually more because a lot of them are but are afraid of persecution from Church and State laws.You have denial issues I think deep down you really feel that all of these things are possible but you have chosen to block it out and harden yourself for the truth.You know what makes me laugh is that you have Agnostic historians looking in the bible for references to help them find ancient cities and places. Take Troy for example just to name one out the dozens. They thought it was a myth until they discovered it referenced passages out of the bible to help them. Dude totally have taken the whole 9/11 thing to far. Pretty insulting of course I don't believe those you said. All I was saying is that we have been relatively safe as a nation and my faith believes that yes God does protect us nothing wrong with that. Bad things do happen no matter what trials and tribulations are a part of life.As far as using you storied and other quotes from people and Tibet tribes whatever. I don't care what they think. I don't look to others to convince me of what I know and believe I question man when I hear a preacher or someone else taking about their Ideas. All I know is that there is a God and creator of us and everything. It's my own personal believe. Shame on those missionaries for using a lame story about that which is not true. If they where Mormon that would sound like a BS story from them.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

think of a places in the world where there is no God Good grief. Find me a place on earth where there is no god or gods. Just because other parts of the world don't espouse your religion does not mean they do not espouse a religion. I myself am quite religious, although I doubt my faith has a terrific amount in common with yours.and you will only see death, poverty and despairBecause Latin America, which is very very Catholic, has none of the above; whereas inexplicably, the non-Christian countries of Singapore, Brunei, Kuwait, Liechtenstein, and Qatar are all among the 10 highest per-capita GDPs.evolution is a farceNo, evolution is a very widely accepted scientific theory, and if science is incompatible with your religion then your religion is simpleminded. "If science were ever found to contradict Buddhism, then Buddhism would have to change" -- The Dalai Lamaprobably the number would be actually more because a lot of them are but are afraid of persecution from Church and State laws.AHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wait, lemme -- AHAHAHAHAHA! lemme catch my -- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!Did you REALLY just suggest that Christians do not found more charities because they are afraid of STATE PERSECUTION OF CHARITY ORGANIZATIONS?AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA ... Damn, that's just funny.You have denial issuesNope. In fact, again, I am quite religious, and also quite committed to a scientific understanding of the universe. I just do not subscribe to YOUR beliefs.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Actually it's not funny. The case in Florida where school kids where raising money for a benefit and there where teachers present. What makes it worse is that it was in a church off school property and spontaneously someone said lets say a prayer to bless this food. Well do you know what happened board member who was there at the church but obviously not a Christian was offended and reported those teachers and they where looking at fines in the thousands plus 6 months in jail. It went to the Florida St supreme court where the judge smartly ruled against the claim and they where found not to be in violation. This is just one case of many. I'm sure that there are other religions that pray but why only are the Christians the ones that are being persecuted? Agnostic it's biased the whole system is Agnostic we abide by Agnostic rules in everyday life especially in schools, essentially we practice your religion where there is no belief and when there's a crazy wig nut Agnostic that wants to throw teachers in jail for six months because of their inherent freedoms you go crazy.Evolution has not been proved it's a theory nowhere except for a completely biased person would say that evolution has been proved. There is a whole debate on that alone. There are numerous scientist that believe in intelligent design and go as far as Micro evolution which I believe in and is in-line with creation. Macro evolution where a Giraffe one day came from the see is as unlikely as you or I beating Tiger Woods in a golf match. Not going to happen. God says that we are created in is own image which is why our minds are godlike. If evolution is true than there would be more species with our capability to think and to rationalize. This fact alone baffles many evolutionary theorist for they don't have an answer for. So they do what Darwin did just make stuff up and throw clay at a human skull to fill the gaps.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Oh, yes, religious rights OTHER THAN YOURS are just bullcrap, yeah.NO, you CAN'T interject religion into a school function -- but people do it all the time. U of TX regularly prays before football games and has a school motto invoking "Gabriel's horn." At a state school. This too is just "one case of many." And their actions are FAT illegal, but have they been "persecuted" for it? NOOOO. If the church wants to hold a charity drive, great - pray away. If the public school wants to do it, then public prayer is inappropriate, because we have that whole disestablishmentarianism thing. Would you have been cool with it if it had been your kids at that function, and the teacher had said "Let's make an offering to Ellegua" or "Here kids, ring these bells in honor of the generosity of Ishtar"? Or how about if the teachers stopped the activity so everybody could face Mecca and bow down and chant "Allahu Akbar" a few times?You want religion in your kids' school, then send your kids to a parochial school. That's what parochial schools are flippin' for. But our public schools are not places for you to indoctrinate other people's children.Making Christians follow the law is not "persecution." You guys just want "special rights", e.g., the right to inflict your religious beliefs and practices on the rest of us. And that, my friend, is persecution behavior.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

You take things really extreme. I'm one of those that is not trying to force schools to pray not at all. I just get upset when it's completely away from it and someone tells. It reminds me of the movie 1984. As far as the Texas thing I familiar with that being a part of the bible belt no one objected it was only one person who complained and affected the rights of hundreds that preferred to pray. Overwhelmingly the community was upset what happened to democracy even in religion where the wants and needs of the many out ways the needs of the few. Right now it's going the other way where the few are outweighing the many I guess that's what makes great news. Media loves feuds.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I just get upset when it's completely away from it and someone tells.That's funny, I'd think it was in general a good idea to encourage kids to "tell" when an adult in an authority position forces them to do something illegal and in violation of their rights.As far as the Texas thing I familiar with that being a part of the bible belt no one objectedOh, OK, since nobody objected to them breaking the law it's OK. But when somebody DOES object to the school breaking the law in Florida, then it's the objection that is not OK, whereas breaking the law should still be OK. That makes no sense whatsoever at all.it was only one person who complainedWell, that's not "no one," then, is it? That's someone whose civil rights were violated. Whereas those "hundreds" DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO FORCE PUBLIC PRAYER AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS. Their "rights" weren't violated one bit because the law explicitly says that they have no right to do that, whereas the complaining student does have a right to insist that they don't.where the wants and needs of the many out ways the needs of the fewThat's actually a principle of Star Trek, not government. The wants of the many do NOT in any case outweigh the rights of the few. That would be antithetical to our Constitution, and it's not what Spock meant either.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

I think you got confused when I said when it's completely away from it and someone tells, I was referring to the school teachers attending a function at the church it was completely away from school and on their own time.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

No, I'm not confused. I think you're unclear on the law.If it was a school function, then it doesn't matter whether or not it was on school property; the critical issue is whether it's school-sponsored.If it was not a school function, then there's no law being violated. If it is a school function, they've got no business holding a prayer circle during it.Again I ask, would you be cool with it if your kids left the school campus for a charity drive and were then instructed to bow to Allah or chant Hare Krishna or spit rum and tobacco in honor of Ellegua? I'm betting the answer is "no."Similarly, the Muslims, Hindus, Santeria et. al. aren't real keen on having their kids indoctrinated with foreign faiths.It is flat inappropriate to inject prayer into a public school function, on or off school grounds, period. Prayer is what our churches, temples, synagogues, mosques, and other places of worship are for. It is not what our public schools are for. Pray all you want on your own time -- in your house, on the street, at your place of worship, in your car, in the park . . . pick any event NOT sponsored by state authorities at any location NOT owned or operated by the state, and have at. (Your example fails the first prong: a public school function is by definition "sponsored by state authorities.") But using the authority of the state to promote or enforce a religious belief is just plain illegal.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Nobody broke the law in Florida that's why the teachers where exonerated. The teachers who where being prosecuted by a wing nut weren't even the ones who asked to pray it was a member of a church. Remember this was off school property and the teachers where off school time they were there in support only. And it was in a church. Put aside any religion on this, this was a impediment on the first amendment. You and I have debated many things on this lets just agree to disagree I'm not forcing anything thats not my style and it shouldn't be anyones style. Talking about just the fact that on a daily basis that we are losing freedoms everyday and that a something like this would have gone as far as it did is ridiculous not to mention the tax dollars spent for the courts.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

No, it's not an impediment to the First Amendment in any way, shape, or form. No one is being restrained from practicing or believing in their religion in any way. You just can't use the authority of the state to force your religion on other people. That is in fact what the First Amendment says. What on earth is so difficult about that to grasp?Whether the students are on school property or off it is irrelevant. Whether the activity is school-sponsored or not is the critical issue. If your daughter gets raped on a field trip you can goddamn well still sue the school. If your son cracks his skull open during a school-sponsored extracurricular, you can damn well still sue the school. And if teachers start imposing prayer on students at a school-sponsored event, you can damn well still sue the school, because the school is responsible for a civil rights violation.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

Stop down voting me i like having a debate but if everytime I leave a comment you down vote I'm just going to stop. i have stopped down voting you. It's almost an unfair format in here being one of the few and only conservative Christians in this entire CreateDebate it's like being fed to the Lions. That's why any conservative in here gets jumped all over, there's nothing to argue agianst when all of you our on the same belief. You guys need someone like me to make it interesting.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

I haven't downvoted you in days, man."Fed to the lions"? Because people disagree with you? Oh please.You sound a wee bit paranoid, mate. I'm not downvoting you, and nobody is "persecuting" you either. You've been quite free to express your opinions. If you don't like the fact that people can respond to your opinions by voting them up or down or by posting their own counter-arguments, you are in the wrong forum.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

Well said your right about that no big what are points really.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

nowhere except for a completely biased person would say that evolution has been provedAnd nowhere did anyone say that evolution has been "proven." I said: "evolution is a very widely accepted scientific theory." The "debate" over the validity of the theory is considered by science to be, well, I think the technical term is "retarded."None of your points about evolution are vaguely even coherent. Of course mammals and other modern taxa evolved over hundreds of millions of years from much earlier sea-dwelling organisms. It's the "hundreds of millions of years" part that's crucial here, mate. And no, there's no reason that there would be more animals with higher-level thinking capabilities, although in fact there are good arguments to be made for a number of animals having varying degrees of "reasoning" power -- gorillas, chimps, elephants, big cats, and even parrots are quite bright compared to many other critters: bright enough to measure on "our" scale to the point where we've seen higher-level thinking behaviors akin to our own in all of them (examples include: use of sign language, use of sign language to communicate experiences that happenned prior to the acquition of sign language, primates teaching other primates to sign, the ability to identify one's own reflection as being one's own reflection, emotional expression, representational image-making . . . the list is really quite extensive). Also, dolphins are the only animal in the fossil record to have both more complex brains and a greater brain-to-body-size ratio than we do, and we really haven't a notion what they're up to with all that grey matter. But that's not really the point, since evolution functions so that better-adapted animals will, over time, reproduce more succesfully and, over greater amounts of time, diversify further. A shark doesn't need to be smart; a shark is perfectly adapted to its environment. The evolution of brains is not baffling at all; it's actually pretty well understood.
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: No, for the greater good.

No, for real, we've got a pretty decent handle on the brain.Check it:http://www.youramazingbrain.org/insidebrain/brainevolution.htm  (explained using small words)http://faculty.ed.uiuc.edu/g-cziko/wm/05.html  (explained using big words)
Debate: Is belief in God for the GREATER GOOD?
Side: Yes, for the greater good.

I think, even if God doesnt exist, which im not saying he does...I believe 100% He does, but even if he didn't the mere thought of his existance has made many people morally better, and just happier and nicer.