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Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

The Federal Reserve System is organized with a government agency at the top (the Board of Governors), and branches beneath them that resemble private corporations. (http://www.federalreserveeducation.org/ f… )The Board of Governors are all appointed for 14-year terms by the president and confirmed by congress. It operates per it's charter and laws set by congress. it is overseen by congress. There is no structure or mechanism for private ownership at this level. Board members are forbidden by law to have any economic interest in a private bank. The 12 branches, however, are organized similar to private corporations. Member banks are required to buy shares in their branch. The shares get a standard 6% dividend. These shares do not give ownership rights to the member banks, only the privelege of voting for 6 of the 9 branch board members. and cannot be sold on the open market; they. All 'profit' from the Federal Reserve branches are turned over to the Treasury at the end of the year.Federal Reserve is a government controlled and regulated agency.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Federal Reserve is a government controlled and regulated agency."The Federal Reserve System is organized with a government agency at the top (the Board of Governors), and branches beneath them that resemble private corporations."Doesn't say by a government agency."The Board of Governors are all appointed for 14-year terms by the president and confirmed by congress. It operates per it's charter and laws set by congress. it is overseen by congress. There is no structure or mechanism for private ownership at this level. Board members are forbidden by law to have any economic interest in a private bank."It's still a private companyhttp://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-things-that-every-american-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

organized with a government agency at the topDoesn't that mean run or controlled by a government agency? Like a kingdom with a king on top.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

No, it would mean they are partners in crime. Kind of like you and AveSatanas. A far cry sure, but same concept. .
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

A pretty far reach, but I'll give it to you, I think I have a much better understanding now, thanks. :l
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

No problem, I know it's hard to grasp some concepts especially when 1 word determines everything being stated. if it was "by a government" then it would definitively be a government agency but, since it is "with a government" then they are just technically partners with wording so confusing anyone I guess could mistake it.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Also, how can you say that when the owners of the federal reserve have openly stated to the public that they are a private owned company?
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

I agree. I'd undo your down vote if I could.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Just because you think it's a bad idea doesn't mean that it's unconstitutional. Plain and simple.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Well, duh. I didn't claim it was unconstitutional. I just thought the debate would work better as for/against. In God We Trust goes against the first amendment in spirit, if not literally.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

"in god we trust" is totally in the spirit of the first amendment. It's the words of the private company the federal reserve. On their own product. It would be like you being Muslim and not being able to sell your own hand made shirts saying "Muhammad rocks!" and saying uhh.. that's unconstitutional because I think it's a bad idea. Some christians might get angry and uhh... well a private companies don't have the right to free speech.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

I can make shirts saying "Muhammad rocks," but the government is not obligated to use them as money. I'm sure they could get "In God We Trust" off our money if they wanted to.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Ron Paul wanted to end the federal reserve and Americans for some reason voted in Obama... I don't really think Americans really want to.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

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Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Just like the Pledge Of Allegiance there were no references to god originally on money, today we have the "in god we trust" bullshit because in the 1950's these religious assholes in congress tried to make the founding fathers look Christians (even though they were not) and to make the country look like a christian nation in general, hence I think it along with "under god" in the Pledge is unconstitutional.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Fun fact:The "oath of office," according to the Constitution, IS a religions test, and harks back to the Latin legal maxim "to swear is to call God as a witness, and is an act of divine reverence." The ability to "affirm" was to make exception for Quakers, who believed the New Testament forbade actual "swearing."Atheists were never intended to hold any public office under the United States. America was founded as a nondenominational Christian nation, not a secular nation.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

You haven't yet explained away the operative legal maxim "to swear is to call God as a witness, and is an act of divine reverence," as found in the constitution.Also, the congress that confirmed "The Star Spangled Banner" as our anthem, check the fourth verse of that song. It clearly states, "and this be our motto, 'In God is our trust.'"
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

America was founded as a nation free of religion, the reason atheists usually don't seem to be able to be sworn in the office is because nobody would want to vote for them not because they do not have the right to run for president, this itself is a result of secular discrimination. When we have our first secular president we will probably do something to replace the religious text with something different but just as patriotic and also replace "so help me god" with "a solemn affirmation." Also just because the majority of people in the country are Christians does not mean that it was founded as a Christian nation!
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Read and understand the Constitutional texts and the legal maxims that interpret them. Atheists have never been legally permitted to run for office, all law to the contrary aside - such legislation is foundationally unconstitutional, despite it's appearance and unlawful acceptance. The reason being that an Atheist can not be trusted, owing to his non-belief in justice in an afterlife.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

The only difference is that it's not the pledge and the pledge may be unconstitutional in that respect. However, you cannot deny that the Federal Reserve is a private company and therefore is protected in this particular case because they have the freedom of speech to write whatever they like on their product. I don't know why people are trying to dispute this and claim to be advocates of the constitution.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Honestly I don't care what's on the damn dollar until it has any worth. But it is bullshit that theism just kinda wins out again.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

It's not really theism that's the problem. Strangely enough me and Lizzy came to the same conclusion. I believe she already knew that the first amendment can only be violated by Laws and as such only a law can be unconstitutional in light of the first amendment. I learned this by my arguments with Ave Satanas. Which unfortunately have dissipated from the debate. I can see that people may have a problem with what is printed on the money but, the law is what is unconstitutional. There isn't a contest when you actually look at the first amendment. Also, the federal reserve is a private company and as long as it's in place you can repeal the law mandating that "In god we trust" be mandatory on the money. But, that doesn't mean that the printing of "In god we trust" is then subject to come off the money. The fed can still print it freely just because it wants to at that point and you wouldn't have any say in it and it all comes down to freedom of speech.Here's the kicker to make you unconstitutional siding people go giddy.Constitutional Tender ActThe United States Constitution declares, in Article I, Section 10, "No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"Every dollar in circulation is clearly unconstitutional. EVERY DOLLAR. However In god we trust is protected under freedom of speech.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

You're right in most respects, there's nothing legally wrong with it, except that written notes can and do violate laws (for example: any written threat or defamation). The issue is that these bank notes are promoting God on our legal U.S. currency; the dollar not limited to this.-And for paper money; it is a given courtesy that paper money is legal tender; and it seems to be that only strict constitutionalists would debate this. Those same people would also claim that we are entitled to literal "bear arms," and not weapons. -And the federal reserve is not a private organization. In the words of political science professor Michael D. Reagan;"... the "ownership" of the Reserve Banks by the commercial banks is symbolic; they do not exercise the proprietary control associated with the concept of ownership nor share, beyond the statutory dividend, in Reserve Bank" profits."
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

You're right in most respects, there's nothing legally wrong with itGood, now that you admit that this debate is over.except that written notes can and do violate laws (for example: any written threat or defamation).This is neither of those so they hold no place here.The issue is that these bank notes are promoting God on our legal U.S. currency; the dollar not limited to this.That doesn't matter. It is still constitutional.Also, under the tender act your money is illegal and I don't know how the Americans even let it get this out of hand in the first place.And for paper money; it is a given courtesy that paper money is legal tenderOkay, I don't understand where you're coming from. You're arguing that it's unconstitutional to put in god we trust on your money, which you now admit is not even illegal (thus, constitutional) and even though the coinage act that details the use of paper money is in fact unconstitutional is Okay because it's generally accepted... There has not been a case of irony so legendary as this.and it seems to be that only strict constitutionalists would debate this... You must think I'm stupid.Those same people would also claim that we are entitled to literal "bear arms," and not weapons. Well, they must be stupid because the word "bear" means in context to carry. The word bare is naked and the animal Bear would have nothing to do with human politics. They don't know what they are talking about and probably shouldn't be debating.And the federal reserve is not a private organization.I tend to believe it when the head of the organization publicly announces that it is a private organization and even has a sign on their front door step stating it as well. Holds a lot of credibility you know?(THIS MEANS IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT THE FED IS A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY AND THEY EVEN ADMIT IT THEMSELVES)In the words of political science professor Michael D. Reagan;That man was an idiot. Also, the Federal Reserve act that made it is unconstitutional.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

It's constitutional and if Muslims don't like it then too bad.Added note: In God we trust doesn't necessarily mean it's pertaining to any one religion. Just the notion that you trust in God. Also, that money isn't even federal. It's made by a private organization and they can do what ever and say whatever they want on their product.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

What is the private organization that prints money? Can they replace "In God We Trust" with "A Woman's Place is in the Kitchen?"
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

The federal reserve and if they really wanted to. Yes. .
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

The federal reserve is a private organization? Would they remove "In God We Trust" if we told them to?
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

No. .
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Then we need to find another organization that listens to its customers.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Indeed you do and I encourage this action. .
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

I agree, however, the Federal Reserve's Customer is the government of the United States, not the people of the United States. Unfortunately, the whole organisation is unconstitutional, but, not enough people care to do anything about it, so they remain, under color of law, lacking the true lawfulness of it.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Since the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, only Congress is to coin money under enumerated powers, so anything the Federal Reserve puts on paper money is as well. Not to mention it violates the First Amendment as well.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

I disagree that it violates our first amendment. The First Amendment clearly say that congress prohibits the making of any LAW respecting an establishment of religion. Simply placing that on a dollar bill does not violate your first amendment rights. It is not making any sort of law. It also says that neither a state or federal government can set up a church or pass LAWS which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another. All the first amendment does is keep church and state separate. We had a debate over this in class. They are not making any sort of LAW. Therefore it is perfectly constitutional and that makes your claims invalid.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Upvote. I agree. .
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Suggesting that no law was created is sadly mistaken in establishing "In God We Trust", everything the United States Government does must be promulgated by law, it is its only the legal authority.In 1873, Congress passed the Coinage Act, granting that the Secretary of the Treasury "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."Therefore, it does established religion, yet they didn't even recognize it, and it is unconstitutional.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Not at all. They cannot make a law establishing religion is any sort of way. That is exactly what it says.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

And they are with In God We Trust printed on paper money or coins. God has always had a implication of religion.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

A dollar bill is not law. In no way does it restrict you from doing anything. You can spend it the same way you do if it was blank. Also it clearly says LAW in the amendment. A dollar bill is not law it is currency. It is also printed by a private bank so why strip there right away? It is constitutional.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Actually, the use of the dollar bill is law under legal tender laws, which means no other tender can be used in a exchange, otherwise, currency would be left to the free market.Since legal tender laws are clearly laws, it is unconstitutional.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Sure. I agree. Now show me where the law mentions religion. I will wait.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

The establishment of religion doesn't need to be mentioned in the letter of the law, that is why there is court to interpret the intent of law. Only that the motto was established in law in coinage act and the force in use of currency.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Oh so the motto was created by law? Please show me this law where is says so.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

1864 Coinage Act made its first appearance on coins and signed into law by Dwight Eisenhower in 1956 United States National Motto.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Oh okay. I looked at the law. All it allowed was the two cent coin to be made. The coiners decided to put that there. Again no law placed it their. Also a motto is the backbone of our nations history of which it seem like there is no respect for.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Also it is still made by a private bank and if you force the removal of it you are taking away their rights. That is truly unconstitutional. Legal tender laws just talk about the currency. Please show me exactly where it mentions the religious?
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

The Federal Reserve has no rights. There is no constitutional authority in the creation of the Federal Reserve.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Yes it does. It composes of private components. It still has rights. It is still somewhat private and still possesses that right.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "respecting an establishment of religion." Come back after you've read a grammar dictionary.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

You're making good points. The federal reserve is unconstitutional I'm not denying that. However, this is about having "in god we trust" printed on the money. And as the first amendment clearly states |Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.|Which makes what is printed on the money entirely constitutional even though the entire organization is not.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Actually, Congress unconstitutionally established "In God We Trust" on coins before in the 1873 Coinage Act before the Federal Reserve.SO, not only did Congress establish religion with God on money, but it unconstitutionally created the central bank that prints money while unconstitutionally establishing religion.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

|Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.|Congress unconstitutionally established "In God We Trust"Sure did! So congress is to blame and laws should be repealed. However what`s printed on the money still seems to be entirely constitutional. Seeing as the entire amendment is about law making and nothing more. ``Congress shall make no law ``
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Congress did pass a law under the 1873 Coinage Act establishing the motto of the United States on coins and later paper.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

That's my point, the Law is what is unconstitutional. and the fact that the coinage act was established makes the entire bill unconstitutional but, thats irrelevant. In god we trust could easily be on gold and silver coinage and be entirely constitutional. The laws surrounding the phrase are unconstitutional because this debate is about in God we trust being in violation of the first amendment. Not the coinage act.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

Wrong, legal tender laws forcing people to use paper money using the tern violates the first amendment because it establishes religion through the force in use of paper money. The same can be said for coins as well.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Constitutional

Wrong, legal tender laws forcing people to use paper money using the tern violates the first amendment because it establishes religion through the force in use of paper moneyAnd my mother wonders why I believe shooting myself in the head because of the idiocy of the world is so great that no intelligent person can actually cut though it is the only way to go.
Debate: In God we trust on American money, Is it Constitutional?
Side: Unconstitutional

It isnt constitutional and if YOU dont like it then too bad. In God we trust doesn't necessarily mean it's pertaining to any one religion. Just the notion that you trust in GodYes it does! God is attributed to Christianity. Judaism calls him Yaweh and Muslims call him Allah so G-O-D is specifically geared towards xianity. If it was saying what you claim it is, as in, claim in A god, then that's what it would say: In A God We Trust" that way it could incorporate all deities. HOWEVER, that would still be infringing upon Atheists and Agnostics and any other philosophic type of religion. Also, that money isn't even federal. It's made by a private organization and they can do what ever and say whatever they want on their product.It was passed by congress to have it added on, not the "private organization". The government made the unconstitutional move to have it put on.