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Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

The end is more important than the means. This does not mean that the end justifies the means. But it is more important. Thus, beating your child around until he's perfectly obedient, in order to make him into a stronger and more prepared person is wrong. Granted, being a stronger and more prepared person is more important than not being smacked around, but that doesn't mean that it justifies smacking your child around. The childhood pain of your kid is, irrefutably, less important than his adulthood success.Just because something is important doesn't mean that it justifies us doing immoral things to attain it.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

what you are saying neither agrees with nor disagrees with the statement: End is more important than the means
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes i favour the motion.As far as terrorism is concerned it is a sheer case of religious fanatism.They can go to any extent to prove themselves they are right.Even they are not accepted by people of same religion.If we look into examples of our history nobody can forget "LORD BUDDHA"who sacrificed everything for acheiving "NIRWANA".
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

frnd, sacrifice was the best means that lead for achieving NIRWANA
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

And since sacrifice was the best mean s leading to nirwana.So my friend, tell me what is better? End or Means
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

surely means becoz if the sacrifice(means) was wasn't made the end could not have been achieved
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

u say sacrifice is the best mean. so i suppose that you are ready to sacrifice your arguments from now on in this debate and prove the importance of pure means literally!!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

Yes i am ready to sacrifice my arguments if you accept the REALITY that MEANS THAT COUNTS............
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

my acceptance will not give you the world wide acceptance.i don't want to lose a good competitor.it was just for rebuttal..
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

but your acceptance will give me a satisfaction that i have consoled a competitor that means is more important than means...............
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

"means is more important than means..............."this is what u wrotei don't blame you, i blame your inner conciseness.Friends , i know every one commits a mistake, but accepting it shows genunity of their character. some people hide their feelings and cover up their mistake, which is another mistake.It is impossible for every one to follow the means at every point of life. so only myself and my honorable team (accepted the reality as it is) say that end is more important. some others, to show they follow ethics and blah blah blah(actually they fail to do so) and just put up a drama here against our opinion.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

At the beginning of an action I might not be able to determine whether that action is morally right or wrong, but when the morally right goal is successfully achieved, then the steps which led to it must be morally right too."Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold -- but so does a hard-boiled egg.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

our society needs result . they dont have any place for excuses ,if a student fails in exams his surrounding will underastimate him without knowing the real reason.. that what i said "NO EXCUSE... ONLY RESULTS"
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

dear friend,will the same society appreciate if he is caught copying to get gud marks?????????
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

my dear frend!!if ur frend vl cheat n will get gud marks compare to u than your own society wil ask u to learn from that student without knowing the real reason.... and the society wil not appreciate the cheatr i agree but it is also one fact that society only notic the winers not the losers... btw nyc point by u!!........Himali......
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

I am very sure that what angelsofthell said has said right because the society always response what it sees and hears and it doesnt go in deep of the reason
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

the society appreciates only the winners...........but we should be proud of ourselves because our means is fair...........
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

But what abt the real capability?The cheater will lose in the main-stream.Those who are hard worker are more capable.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

deepy,i remember a very interesting quote that can help you understand that you are wrong"He who wills his end,wills his means"its meaning is apt to the situation:the person who recognizes his end (aim, scope) willuse the best means that suits him and the situation.so, the one who thinks that the scope of the education is just to pass the exams will use his own means, while the students who feel that the education means far more than exams (which is just a drop of it) will surely work hard and use his own best means.so the end will help you decide your meanthe scope of education is to .... cannot be explained by an negligent boy like me...buti feel its goal is to give you some knowledge, not all the knowledge(knowledge is an ocean!!)
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Let us take the example of a weapon, a mean for a soldier. If it doesnt gets in the hand of a soldier, then it has no use but when it achieves its own end that is to be held in a soldier's hand then it becomes useful and achieves its own end making itself useful. So, means can be useful to achieve the end but before that, they have to achieve their own end
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, Mahatma Gandhi and Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru and all other freedom fighters, they kept in their minds the end and they were very much determined to the end that was to see an independent India and then, afterwards , they used the respective means. And at last, they really achieve their end, their target and the goal
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Actually, I'd like to say that the determination towards the end is one of the most important thing to achieve success because a boat cannot reach its destinaion till the sailor does not determine the area where to reach though he has several equipments.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

The freedom fighters fought for a common end i.e. India's freedom.But their means are different
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

yes. i agree. if you are searching for your friend's house even without knowing where he is , then there is alot of probability that you may never find him before you correctly know where he lives! in this world, if you keep thinking if your means are proper or not , then you are nothing but a time killer. of course, in a journry, the path used may be important. but ever heard of a journey without any end???
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes i think end is more important than means. Here we can use the saying of William Shakespeare - "All is well that ends well". We can say practically this is the most accurate or popular form of obtaining a goal. In this fast moving 21st century nobody sees the means, but look upon the end. So we can also put here that we can commit a minor evil to achieve a greater good.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes my Kv Mate i support you.Nowadays we can't stand following some previouslyestablished ideology.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

hey! r you guys from kv? if i am right please answer me!!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

I am from kv thats why i created this debate i needed help from u all
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

which kv are u from .... ? wat if we all meet at the same place and we argue over the same ting .... because we all have teken ideas from here .. hey vartika which kv ?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

alexander the great killed many ppl,destroyed many houses jus to achieve his goal of conquring the whole world!!! n when he did it...he got the title "the great"!! Himali........
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

Dear himali, Alexander was a great conquerer of course. But for your kind information, he never succeeded in making his dream a reality! He never conquered the whole world< though he tried and annexed many countries into his kingdom. at the same time , he never destroyed many houses, he fought many wars in which he killed many warriors thats all!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

my frend..,i just wanted to say that alexander killed so many peaple but still we remember him by the title 'great'.. watever his means were but atlast he got that titl isnt!
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

man ! he died of a chronic disease .. at the age of 33 . if he had not died than there was nothing btw him and his aim ........
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

well, well, well,we all try to improve our means in both quantity only to achieve a more and more useful and qualitative end.for eg. we all study to achieve knowledge, not only marks...the more we study and understand the concept of the given education,the more we learn. the knowledge is not limited to school. of course the nature is very best teacher. the one how participates in every kind osf wise activity will definitely shine in his life.he is after all able to do all this only he wants to do and achieve knowledgewe add sugar in coffee to get a more nice coffee, not because it is a good means
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

friends-How many of you remember Abinav Bindra the arch shooter??He became famous only after he won the gold medal in Olympics for shooting.Before that , many of us , to be honest, have never heard of a person like that.He is recognized as the first Indian to win a gold medal in Olympics.He achieved his goal........ he became a recognized person- do u see the link?people recognize a person by what you have achieved; not how u have achieved.means play their role of course; but doesn't stand a chance against the Results we get. Only if you get school top marks, you will be known as a hard working student.Many can paint stars; but only a few can make the stars come out as an artists emotional impression .the famous quote "a tree is known by its fruit" is the best example to show that end is very very important in our life.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

actually we people are not bothered about what is happening with sports in india . the thing we are bothered is cricket . shooting n all who cares to know the name of people .. nobody cares to know who is world no. 1 in shooting . that is the separate case that their family member is a shooter . its not about getting famous or anything . people can get famous because of their means also . its all about achieving the goal matters .
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

All right saurabh, Lets go in your way,Since Tendulkar hits a century, You praise himIf he goes for single digits for just a 10 matches, you drop him from the team and say that he is not in form!If he goes for ZERO< you say "wo tho bada beverkoof hai, Mai hota to kam se kam pachas runs martha tha"
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

the world always sees the end and means. but the mind of the people tend to enjoy the end not meansif your end is meaningful, the people tend to the follow your means.your means may taste sweet, but the end may taste sour.your means may taste sour, but the end may be sweet and enjoyable
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

end is more important. the people's mind first tends to know the result than the means.the most recent example is the unfortunate crash of ap cm's chopper. when the press announced that the wreckage of the chooper has been found, the people asked: "what happened to ysr? is he safe?" these show that people are first concerned with the result of the chopper's crash. when he has been declared as dead, then only the publis started asking: what led to the crash?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

the example given by u is totally wrong ... man how come you know what people asked .. they didn't even knew that his plane crashed !!! the how can they ask that what led to the crash .. ..? after they came to know that his plane crashed and he died it was obvious media will question what led to the crash .. u have given a stupid example her e.. worth less
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

REALLY?Just think, Bhai, Aggar wo plane crash nahi hota to media yeh sab prashnoh ko kyoh puchange?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

friends, uniqueness of end makes it special and more rare.end is always constant. only the means vary. many means can be used to get one end. do you feel that commonly seen crow is beautiful or the rarely spotted sweet peacock is more beautiful?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

literally peacocks may be beatiful but philosophically..i feel that crows are ore beautiful.crows are the ones that wake you up in the morning and also, they show that they always follow you and never give up. they stand up in unity.on the other hand, peacocks may give a lot af entairtainment , nut it is short lived only. they cannot be with u for long, neither can u be with them.similar is with means and end.even if you lose or win, means are always there for you and you can try again but the end is not like that. if you win only, it helps you. else, god knows the fate.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

India is a developing country like all other developing countries and it is using several really very important, useful, even expensive and highly technological resources which are all said to be the means but can we say that to make the developing countries developed is less important than the used resources?
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

let us take an example of a weapon, mean for a soldier. weapon is nothing and is of no use till it gets in the hands os a soldier but when it achieves its own end, then it becomes useful. So the means lead to the end when they achieve their own end
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

do u know from where did we get the basic idea of democracy? it is from the very french revolution that gave the basic democratic principles like liberty,fraternity in the hands of people & the monarchs were killed & the end is justified.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

dhiru bhai ambani adopted many wrong means to achieve his success .. he cheated many people for money.went to jail many times ..he did fraud to many people . he took all the money from the chit fund he had opened and ran away . no body cares about all this now ... more than half of india'a energy industries are run by him ..(his sons )he inspires many youngsters today ... they also want to achieve like him .. so they should follow his paths . or work hard to achieve like that ..if ambani would have give more importance to the means than he would have landed nowhere . might b a waiter somewhere . but he gave importance to the end ..and u all no wat he has achieved
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

May be your arguments are wrong as you are justifing use of wrong means in getting your goal You see GLORY OF PINNACLE INSPIRES TO EXCEL
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Well i feel that the end is more important than means because without a goal (end) there would be no true meaning for the means or the path which you take up. Mahatma Gandhiji's approach to achieving freedom was one that of ahimsa and that of other leaders like Bhagath Singh was violence...we cannot simply differentiate between them and neglect ones contribution because the paths taken or the means of achieving their goals was different....we appreciate the contribution of both the great leaders not because of the way they fought....we appreciate their contribution by seeing what they fought for....that is their final goal of achieving freedom is more important than the way in which it was tried to achieve it.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

yeah .... mahtma gandhi ... followed the path of non violence and peace ... actually india wud have got freedom in 1919 .. because gandhi ji stopped that movement ... though he send many indians to fight for the britishers in the world war .. many indians died there also .. it was not this that he stopped chauri chaura because indians were dieing . he just gave too much importance to the means non violence and peace rather than violence ....it was good for indians nathu ram godse shot him , gandhi ji at that time was leaving for pakistan .. he never wanted those riots so he was going to give punjab , himachal pradesh and jamu n kashmir to pakistan ... that would have worsen the present situation
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

No action is taken without the inspiration of a desired result. Period. Theres no way around it. You actually have it backwards. Before any means are taken towards a goal, you have to be sure the benefit of that goal is worth the cost of the means.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

See all of u no DAT teachers scold us , Sim time hit us is it right 2 hit any 1 , why do they do that to secure our future in this they follow means those are not correct for good result
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

If it all works out in the end, great. Let it go and move on.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

In the long run, Yes.The 'bad' means used to achieve a 'good' end, in cases where the ill will and actions of those affected by the 'bad' means do not ultimately outweigh the 'good' end achieved, can often be downplayed or even overlooked from a historical perspective. Once those affected by the 'bad' means have passed on, each resulting generation is affected less and less by said means. Eventually, the 'bad' means can be all but forgotten, while the 'good' end is enjoyed by most.Case in point: The slave-based economy of early America. Definitely a bad means to achieve the economic status that allowed America to become relevant in the world government, among other things... but Americans to this day, regardless of race, enjoy a great many things that simply would not be without the huge economic boost that slavery gave us early on.When the means cannot be undone and the end is all thats left, the end is more important.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: no

I posted on both sides of this debate; in the short term I believe the means are more important.That said, I should note that I do not favor the long term over the short term or vice versa. When I say long term, I'm talking multiple generations, so when a need is immediate long term planning is not particularly useful. Similarly, some short term sacrifices are acceptable, even necessary, for long term prosperity.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

End is always important. But why are we all really taking "means" as a negative sense? Means can be positive also. But despite having lots of means one can not be said successful if the end is not achieved. From childhood we are getting acquainted with the thought, "focus harder on your means, don't think of end yet"&"as you sow, so shall you reap". But without clear vision of the future in our mind we may sow wrong seed and then lament in the future.I'm not encouraging to acquire wrong means. Right "means" are important but most important is the "end".
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

End is more important than means. A very well example to this can be given from the fact that when a teacher explains a topic to a student he always thinks of the topic being cleared to the student not of how it would be clear to the student and for this purpose he uses different materials and even languages ( mother tongue ) but his all in all sole purpose is that the topic should be clear to the student.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

means achieve their Recognition from the end. for eg. before the advent of gandhi, violence was famous and proper mean because it helped them achieve the end- win the war or drive out enemies etc. But when violence failed to achieve freedom to us ( which is nothing but end), it lost its recognition. Gandhi followed non violence and achieved the goal. It is only due the freedom achieved that non violence became famous. Just imagine , that if gandhi's non violence had failed in bringing freedom to us, would you still believe in it and popularize it?So be sure to take the most direct route to your goals. Never take your eyes off your goal, else you may lose your course. Never look back back in sorrow, else, you may trip. Nevr give up. If at first you dont achieve success keep trying until you achieve it. Be daring to accept the Truth that annop had pointed out.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: yes

Yes Gandhiji did many things for the but what abt Subhas bose,nehru and Bhagat singh they sacrificed their lives for the sake of nation.
Debate: end is more important than means
Side: No

those people never got much support from people because our gandhi ji was very famous at that time and he was against them ... and for ur kind information nehru died after independance .. your gk is poor man
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

True they do need to be fairly clever to pull off having multiple accounts with multiple personalities.
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

And Americans tend to randomly accuse people for doing such things for no reason - I suppose that explains their utter genius
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

And Americans tend to randomly accuse people for doing such things for no reason - I suppose that explains their utter geniusBrits seem to do the same as you say americans do except about whole ethnicities... ;)
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: I'm American

Is this some kind of ethereal, racial assault against Allah? Is it? IS IT?!
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

Why the fuck not?!? :P
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: I'm American

it isn't okay to attack allah just because you are bored
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

No but it is ok to throw pies at extra terrestrials trying to take over the world while riding a unicycle with rockets allowing me to fly...
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

allah never threw pigs at any extra-terrestrials. What are you talking about?
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: I'm American

Bleep, Blop, bloop, blop, bleep!!! I do not come in no peace aliens from an alien world. Zappity, zap, zap, zap, zaps... "disintegrates prodigee, or MicMacMoc or whoever you are".
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

well, I suppose that's the end of it then
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: I'm American

oh really Mic? care to explain http://www.createdebate.com/user/points/PresChaffyhttp://www.createdebate.com/user/points/Chaffyhttp://www.createdebate.com/user/points/ MrsHellno all 3 accounts that are said to be yours down-voting arguments on your debate out of the blue for no reason great way to irrefutably prove they are your accounts.
Debate: English People are Cleverer than Americans
Side: True

okay, as one of micmacmoc's sock puppet accounts I am now becoming very annoyed