azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

I, too, am sick of sexism on the internet and I am sick of people telling me I should just accept said sexism and "lighten up". (I'm also tired of the kitchen-sandwich jokes. I mean, can't anyone come up with an original and witty quip at least?)"[S]studies have shown that exposure to this type of humor [i.e., sexist "humor"] increases rape proclivity...""[R]esearch demonstrates that exposure to sexist humor can create conditions that allow men – especially those who have antagonistic attitudes toward women – to express those attitudes in their behavior... The acceptance of sexist humor leads men to believe that sexist behavior falls within the bounds of social acceptability."Yeah, "hilarious".See also: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106083038.htm
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: overreacting does not help

... studies show also that exposure to a driver's license increases car accident proclivity.As with most studies of this nature, someone confused cause and effect for the purpose of securing a grant.It goes both ways madamecherry. Find a Best Buy, Fast Food, or Super Market commercial where the male is not the bumbling idiot and smart wife doesn't come to the rescue.Why is it okay for women to have a stereotypical idea of the male on TV where the parody is not nearly as obvious, but one cannot make an obvious satirical comment on a debate about who fucks who concerning Dems and Republicans?Why is one okay and not the other?Sexism is a real thing, but it does not help to see it around every corner and in every shadow.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

No, no, no. Wrong again. This study sounds perfectly grounded in logic to me and the comparison you give sounds illogical. Sexist humor does make sexism seem socially acceptable. Certain types of humor is just a thin guise for meanness and if you subscribe to that way of thinking you will think it's funny and laugh and if you don't subscribe to that way of thinking you will find it unfunny and distasteful. And before you go saying I have no sense of humor, stop. I have a great sense of humor and laugh often, but I am also smart enough to know jokes can be very mean-spiritied.Portraying a man as a bumbling idiot in a commercial could be an example of that mean-spritedness I just spoke of, it depends on how it's done. Or it could just be youseeing reverse sexism where there is none. ;)Sorry I didn't get the comment about the Dems and Repubs or I would have addressed that too.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: overreacting does not help

Well, the dem/rep comment is kind of the center of the whole thing.Sure, "certain types of humor" is a thin disguise for actual sexism, or racism, or whatever else.My point though is that some is not. Specifically, the humor in the debate this debate is about. Basically Joe said Rep fuck Dem's women, I said they had to because Rep women look like they came out of Middle Earth,and the creator of the debate said something along the lines of women not being property and shouldn't be fucked by anyone or something.Hence the sexist/ not sexist debate has ensued.As for that study. They are trying to make a direct correlation between a male hearing something negative about a women, then going out and raping a woman. I say the study is flawed, rapists rape regardless of what they did or did not hear 5 minutes earlier.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Well, I'm not going into the Dem/Rep thing because I still don't fully understand the context of how it was said and I don't feel like looking it up. Did this all start in another debate thread? Good to hear you agree with what I said about humor.And back to the study, I don't think the point of the study says that a man hears a sexist joke and than 5 minutes later goes and rapes a woman becasue of it, that would be ridiculous. But it's sexist humor that socially conveys the message that "hey it's okay to devalue women. Haha isn't that funny? Kind of mentality."
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: I love sexism!

I don't think it's sexist humor that devalues a woman as much as the prevalence of women standing on the corner selling their body,women posing in magazines selling their body,woman wearing little to no clothing and showing off to crowds of men.Interesting that you do not mention any of women's actions as devaluing a woman but a joke or comment leads a man to rape.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

But who are they selling their bodies TO? Not other women! So yeah a woman can be devalueing herself when she does these things, but she's certainly not devaluing herself alone. Nobody said one joke leads to rape, but I think the broader point is that the more men laugh at sexist jokes the more it seems like it's socially acceptable to BE sexist. And sexism IS a part of rape.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: I love sexism!

"she's certainly not devaluing herself alone. "The first step must be made by the woman. With no product there is no buyer. In essence,women themselves start the devaluing of women, men follow but the first step of acceptance starts with the woman.Thank you Rapists and sex slave trade excluded understandably and should be against the law.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: overreacting does not help

Bullshit Meggaditos. You are blaming the victim. That is where sexism lies.It needs to be understood that men and women ARE fucking different. Thus need to be treated different in certain "social" circumstances.It is literally stupid to go to one or the other extreme of this debate.Guys should not treat women the exact same as they treat men. And some women need to calm the fuck down with this sexism shit.... see everyone here's fucking wrong...but mostly you.Women should be allowed to dress however the hell they want. In fact, I encourage dressing sexy, then douches like you have to come along and ruin it for the rest of us. "Oh, it's her fault she looked like a "slut"I hate that shit. It is never the girls fault, it is pussy guys' fault who have no idea what self control is and should likely be shot immediately if I didn't firmly believe in the spirit of the Judicial system.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Thank you for you more enlightened perspective this time. Exactly right! Blaming the victim IS a root cause of this problem. It's a completely maddening way of treating someone. It's saying nothing bad has happened, completely DEVALUING someone's opinion, which is exactly what defines sexism, as you said.I don't know what the original arguement was that then offshooted to this debate, but I think the point of this debate is saying "Yes, sexism does still exist even in our society". It CERTAINLY is not as prevalant as it once was and as it still is in many parts of the world, but it is still here, and it presents an additional challenge to you if you happen to be of the female gender. Let's not forget that for the majority of human history women were considered PROPERTY and had very little to no rights whatsoever. A women's right to vote barely became part of the constitution less than 100 years ago. And you think since that time ALL sexism has been eradicated? Of course as males, and I'm assuming I'm debating against all males here, you do not experience sexism personally so you are probably like "Sexism? What are you talking about?" But it still does exist, certainly.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: I love sexism!

Everybody's a victim nowadays.Now your a victim because someone said put some clothes on and don't show your tits for money.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Can you please be sure to make valid arguements rather than just make inflammaroty comments here? You are wasting everyone's time with that nonsense.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

You sound like a misogynist. Please read this fact "1 in 6 women will be sexually assulted in their lifetime" Source: RAINN: The nation's largest anti-sexual assault organization. Also some governments have criminalized the buying of sexual favors rather than the selling of favors in recognition of the fact that "most people who sell sex do so because they have no other choice or because they are forced into prostitution by others". Source: Wikipedia, Prostitution in Iceland
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: overreacting does not help

Yeah! It's bullcrap.I mean, how come I have to be nicer to a girl with a dumb opinion than I have to be to a guy? Like, why should I have to compensate for the varying degrees of sensitivity in the opposite sex?That's totally sexist of a girl to expect me to be nicer to them based on tits and some ovaries.._.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Why is it okay to respond to a girls argument by calling her a cunt and telling her to put dick in her mouth? I'm equal-opportunity for calling out dumb people, but no one is asking you to be nicer to dumb ladies than gents; it's the whole TOGTFO mentality that I was referring to.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

1. I myself have not told you or anyone on here to "put a dick in their mouth"2. If I were to say to a guy "put a dick in your mouth" he would not start a debate decrying the rapant sexism on the internet, but many women wouldhence double standard.I can call my best friend a homo who likes it in the ass in jest. I have yet to meet a girl no matter how "cool" or how much of a tomboy she claims to be, who would not take something like "you're a whore who likes to take it in the ass" said in jest as anything but a deep personal offense.Varying degrees of sensitivity.Not every girl is the same, not every guy. But it is unfair to expect a guy to consider the feelings of every girl on earth for every comment they make. Sexism is just as real as racism or any other ism I imagine, but assuming the worst in every off-handed comment does not help the situation, it only makes one look overly sensitive thus reinforcing any sexism which may or may not exist.If you see what you consider to be a sexist comment, imagine if it is a girl saying it and discover whether it still makes you angry. If so maybe you have a legitimate argument, my guess there would be many instances where a women concerned with such would find it is not the comment, but a general poor opinion of men which leads to this anger.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

If I were to say to a guy "put a dick in your mouth" he would not start a debate decrying the rapant sexism on the internet, but many women wouldIf someone were to call two different people a nigger, you and a black person, who would be more upset? Probably the person it is intended to hurt, rather than the one it doesn't apply to. I am not attempting to compare racism and sexism but the principle is the same. When someone says 'put a dick in your mouth' to a woman, they are reinforcing restrictive social roles that are already in place for her; that she should stop talking and be subservient. When someone says it to a man, it is either humorously inapplicable or an implication that they are gay...which many men would take offense to.I can call my best friend a homo who likes it in the ass in jest. I have yet to meet a girl no matter how "cool" or how much of a tomboy she claims to be, who would not take something like "you're a whore who likes to take it in the ass" said in jest as anything but a deep personal offense.How many female friends do you have who you know as well as your best male friend? How many of your male acquaintances, coworkers, or new friends could you say something like that to? My boyfriend and my closest friends and I talk to each other like that regularly, and it is not uncommon for girls to affectionately call each other 'whore' or 'bitch'. Because a girl would not accept a remark like that from you does not mean there are not certain people who can say it to her. Sexism is just as real as racism or any other ism I imagine, but assuming the worst in every off-handed comment does not help the situation, it only makes one look overly sensitive thus reinforcing any sexism which may or may not exist.This is true and it is unfortunate. But I do not think that women should adjust their behaviour based on what sexists will think of them. I do recognize the futility to trying to stamp out sexist language everywhere it crops up but who knows, maybe the women who do take that approach have had some opportunities to enlighten and educate.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

When someone says 'put a dick in your mouth' to a woman, they are reinforcing restrictive social roles that are already in place for herMaybe, or maybe they were not reinforcing a restrictive social role at all, and just wanted her to shut up and would have said the same to a guy. The point is the immediate assumption. Unless you are there and a mind reader, you do not know whether the guy was simply tired of hearing her speak, or felt all women should have a dick in their mouth at all times.How many female friends do you have who you know as well as your best male friend etc. Well I lived with one for 5 years, and I don't believe have ever been 6 months without a serious gf, so it's not as if I live in a bubble. I'm not sure what the point is, are you trying to say that girls really in general would not be offended if a guy was to talk to her the same way he talks to his male friends regardless of how well they know eachother? Even if there are a couple girls out there who truly could "hang with the guys" or whatever in that sense, the vast majority of the time there is simply a difference in how a men and women communicate. How many guys do you see at tupperware parties volunarily... I mean who are not creepily trying to get laid? Is that sexist that girls have these parties that guys generally can't stand? Maybe to stop being sexist girls should change the way they communicate at tupperware parties so males will find it a more amiable environment for them... This is a slippery slope to a retarded world.Which ties into the last part:But I do not think that women should adjust their behaviour based on what sexists will think of themExactly, and at the same time neither should men be expected to change their behavior. It seems to me you applied this idea of sexism to the debate Joe made about who fucks who's wife, dem v rep, whatever that was.I'm saying there was nothing sexist about it at all. I'm saying in that case, and in many, some women see sexism where it is not sexism, but just how some guys talk. Your point seems to be that guys should not talk in such a manner. I'm saying that is you trying to change the way guys behave. You say women shouldn't have to change their behavior, and I agree, yet there is nothing in that debate that would force any woman anywhere to change their behavior.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: fine i give up

Okay you have many good points. I'm not saying your original claim is baseless, however it does not seem to me that a guy talking about fucking another guy's wife is any more or less sexist than if a girl were to talk about fucking another girl's husband. Whether or not a girl would talk in such a manner is not the point. The point is how it is meant by a guy generally.It is not necessarily from any feeling that a woman is or should be property, it is simply an act meant to humilate the other person in the conversation and that the way he would go about humiliating the other involves a woman plays no role. I realize that, the fact that she does not play a role is your point, that that is what is sexist... least I think it is, but stick with me.You are introducing an expectation of the male, to consider the wife's role in whether she gets fucked.Fine, and in real life it should be expected the wife would have the final say of course.But guys do not consider other's feelings generally at all, male or female.For example the analogy would work exactly the same if two gay guys argue over who will fuck who's husband. It would be for the purpose of humiliating the other, and neither would be thinking of their husband's role in the decision as to whether they get fucked. As if they were property as you say. But in this case this "property" would be other guys.I'm saying if guys do not take this consideration for other guys, why should they be expected to for girls?Like it or not, this particular aspect of the male psyche is not going to change anytime soon due to evolution - not learning, you can't change nature. Guys are naturally insensitive by and large. It does not mean a woman should take every offhanded comment personally. It also doesn't mean that girl's should not identify when real sexism does exist. But realize there is a different thought process.And that was supposed to be highlighted by the tupperware example, but whatever I'm bored now and you have a sexy girl as your avatar (reverse sexism) so you win.Here, how's this for an edit of my original argument on Joe's "sexist" debate:"It makes sense, republicans have to get laid too I guess since their gay boyfriends look like they just crawled out of middle earth and liberal gay boyfriends are usually hotter." etc etcThere, it's no longer sexist and still humiliates Joe.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

i am male but I think women should be treated as a man would want to be treated you don't see women going around making sexist comments like men do
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Very Amusing

... I want a random woman to walk up to me and start playing with my reproductive organs in a bar, should I then treat a woman as I want to be treated?
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Your point is silly. Great so you want something, good for you. Congratulations!! I'm sure there are many gay males out there who would like to randomly walk up to you and start playing with your reporoductive organs too, but since it might be unwelcome and then that wouldn't be fair to you that sort of behaviour is considered illegal (do I really have to explain this here, am I debating with a sexual deviant?).
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: overreacting does not help

... so is your point women should, or should not be treated as males want to be treated? And are you trying to make a serious argument that in all circumstances males and females should be treated the exact same? And do you realize there is a difference between "equal" and "same" and that one does not have to be the same to be equal?
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

My point is "I am sick of sexism" on the internet, in real life and everywhere it exists. I don't expect males and females to be treated the same in all circumstances. We are different, clearly. But sexism, which I am thinking of in the negative connotation, discrimintion or devaulation based on gender, is just not a good thing and never will be. And to say you support it is saying you support negative treatment of someone based on factors beyond their control, which is not fair. Just to give you an exapmle of what I am talking about- I recenly found this website and was thinking, "Hey this looks cool, let's check it out" So I scan the debates that are around and the winning positions, and I think "Looks like the majority of people here have their heads in the right place based on the winning positions ". But then I come to this issue and MORE people agreed with the I Love Sexism stance. Wow, what a slap in the face that is to my gender. A community of people who overall are very smart, but that think sexism is okay. It's like insiduous. SEXISM IS NOT OKAY. Don't try to feed me excrement and tell me it's okay because everyone else eats it, excrement is excrement is excrement.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Thank you for being one of those rare enlightened males. Unfortuatnely in our society there are not enough of you.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

absolutely, it is all in all disrespectful and it would be nice if people kept their mouths shut if they see or talk about an attractive person; there are ways to handle it and being sexist in any way is not one
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: enlightened

i am sick of sexism, but createdebate is enlightened? really? i dont think anything is really enlightened. if this is any more enlightened than any other site on the internet, i'll eat a big straw hat.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

The internet is a reflection of the real world and unfortuatnely sexism is alive and well all over our culture. This is the reality and the ugly truth of how it is. It's this part of existance that makes a woman feel a little sad, and sometimes A LOT sad, about being female. There are things said and done all the time that are sexist. It makes me SICK! Women do SO much for humankind, and it isn't appropriately valued. Sexism is dehumanizing and to those of you that support it - Go see a shrink because something is wrong with you!!!!
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: I love sexism!

I hope your outcry is the same for the females of our society that lead to the devaluing of women.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

To those whose posts are tagged "I love sexism", do you also support racism? If not, how can you differentiate the two in your mind as being any different from each other. Race and gender are both facts of our life that are beyond our control.
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

Thoughts to ponder..."Sexism negatively impacts everyone. Women report that their experiences of sexism are relatively common (Swim, Hyers, Cohen, & Ferguson, 2001)). Sexism includes a wide range of events such as derogatory comments and sexual harassment to more extreme events such as sexual assault (Moradi & Subich, 2002). Oftentimes, women will internalize sexist beliefs. Internalized sexism occurs when women buy into the negative attitudes, beliefs and cultural norms about the role of women in society. Sexism has been linked to negative mental health outcomes for women ... men are not exempt from its negative effects. "
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

I believe the statistics state that 1 in 6 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime and that is in OUR country, the United States. And it is a commonly known fact that sexual assault is rooted in sexism. So how can you say sexism doesn't exist or isn't still prevalent to this day?
Debate: Are You As Sick of the Sexism on The Internet as I am?
Side: Yes! Yes I am!

I am completely fed up with sexism on the web. And if you ever complain about it, you get told that the women of today are too sensitive and by complaining and whining about something so small, are just embarassing themselves. Well, I am offended by sexist comments and damn proud of it. Women have achieved the big things - they are able to have careers, vote and are able to have an education. Now women need to achieve the little things which are holding back equality - every sexist comment is one of the "harmless" little things, as well as stupid things that the majority of men don't actually mean, but say anyway.