azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

Wait wait wait, your saying there is no evidence of a fetus growing in a women's belly and turning into a child?Well yes, if you disagree, please give me an evidence. So far you've only insulted my arguments, instead of disputing them with real facts.Give me an evidence, of a woman, who is currently 5 weeks pregnant, and give me a logical evidence of, that the fetus in her tummy is going to take human form someday.That fetuses turn into human beings is a well known fact is untrue, it is not a fact, it is how things naturally are. I know several episodes where the fetus didn't get to the human stage, therefore it isn't a fact, that they turn in to human beings.A senior is a human, an adult is a human, a teen is a human, a child is a human, a baby is a human and a fetus is a human.Have you looked the word 'human' up?Well, I just did. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/humanIf you look at number 4. it says: having the form of a human. Fetuses do not have these. Neither do they have other typical distinctive features of human like ability to feel love, anger or hate.I said its used for other reasons by us but sex's only real reason is to have kids.I know, you've said that like a hundred times. You must have a sad life.No, scientists say its not conscious thus its not alive witch is a stupid conclusion to come to. There is no evidence that says its not alive.there is no evidence proving its ever going to be human either.So your saying that because the fetus might be aborted or it might die there is no proof it will ever grow? ...wowThe high risk of spontaneous abortion is not an evidence of, that it will grow or not. I don't recall saying that, but I don't remember, if I said so, I apologize, because that was not what I meant.My point with saying that is, that because there ARE so many spontaneous abortions all around the world - that is a proof of, that not all fetuses turn into human beings, I just proved you wrong when you claimed, that a fetus turns into human is a well known fact.It is a natural process, not a fact.So since its at risk for not survivng its not alive?why do you keep saying it's not alive all the time? I don't recall saying fetuses aren't alive. I'm saying they aren't human.So your saying that since a fetus can die its not alive? Again, when did I claim that fetuses are not alive? I'm saying they are not human.A fly is alive, it doesn't mean it has human rights just because of that. Fetuses do have human featuresMonkeys also have human features, doesn't mean they're human, neither does it give them human rights.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

If your disagree so much that you needed to downvote this than reply.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

I didn't down vote. Someone else did. I haven't read it or had time to reply yet.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

Well.. I live in a country where abortion is illegal. I think it is stupid to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want.You know what's even stupider? Not knowing the consequences of sexual intercourse and later using abortion as a tool to rid herself of the "unwanted" child.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

I think I am allowed to say, that almost everyone who had sexual intercorse is aware of what sex can result.What if I do take all the protection I need. The pill... condoms. What if I do all that. But protections can fail. What if I end up pregnant even after all those things. Aren't I allowed to get an abortion then, since I actually paid to not have children?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

But protections can fail.Yes, they can. And people should realize the risk of faulty contraceptives. That doesn't make the abortion right though. I think its wrong to use abortion as a fall-back option to contraceptives.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

People DO realize that.People wanna have sex, some don't want children.So if you wanna stop abortion, then come up with a protection that is 200% secure. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

People DO realize that.How can you say this? So you think every abortion is done because of rape/danger to mother/failed protection? That's definitely not true.People wanna have sex, some don't want children.I realize this. Why else would there be an issue? So if you wanna stop abortion, then come up with a protection that is 200% secure. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.What? You're missing the point...if no contraceptive is 100% effective, people should know there is still a minuscule chance they are going to have a baby. Therefore, abortion in this scenario should never have to be done.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

How can you say this? So you think every abortion is done because of rape/danger to mother/failed protection? That's definitely not true.No, what I said was simply, that most people know what sex can cause.But they will still want to have sex, so unless you have a magical way, where there is no possibility of conceiving, then there is little you can do about stopping abortion.What? You're missing the point...if no contraceptive is 100% effective, people should know there is still a minuscule chance they are going to have a baby. Therefore, abortion in this scenario should never have to be done.Well, that is like saying that there is a chance you will end up in a car crash, so you should know that before you enter a car.People know both of those, they do it anyway. So what can we do? Make the car more protective, and make the sexual protectives more protective.Telling people NOT to drive isn't gonna work.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

First of all, I like to say, that your repost is so long, I don't have the energy to read it all, but I read around the headlines, so if I mess up something, sorry.You are calling child raising a punishment!!??!! You are so sick I just want to vomit!!!Well yeah.Imagine you, imagine your father raped you.Your father raped you, and you found out you were pregnant, and your own father was the father.You probably would have the baby, I don't know.But how about others. Do you wanna force other innocent women, to have their rapers children?Just because the child was conceived in rape doesn't mean the child can't be a blessing to the mother.I never said that was impossible. But in some cases, the woman isn't so blessed, and in those cases I think it is her right as an human being, to be able to remove the fetus.Because we have distorted it to become what it isn't. If sex didn't feel good, humans wouldn't reproduce, but you have gone and distorted it's true purpose from reproduction to entertainment. If you think about it, that's pretty sick.Well.. entertainment? I don't think of it as entertainment. Sex is stimulating a relationship between two people. It isn't just meant for reproduction, maybe you believe so, but I don't.It has everything to do with whether she "wants" it or not. That's so sick . That's terrible. So what you saying is, just because your mother didn't want you, she should have had the right to abort you. Again, like I said, come around and I will perform a "late partial-birth abortion" on you for you since you are so f#cked up in the head as to be so selfish as not to protect the life of an unborn child.well, if you read the first part of my first post, you see, that I said not every situation is selfish.That means that I think SOME situations ARE selfish.Two women I knew have COMMITTED SUICIDE because of this!!! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT YOU SELFISH SHITHEAD? ARE YOU HAPPY NOW FUCKFACE? ARE YOU?But about what you were saying.Lots of people commit suicide.. for lots of reasons. Do you want every reason people make suicide to be outlawed?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

"First of all, I like to say, that your repost is so long, I don't have the energy to read it all, but I read around the headlines, so if I mess up something, sorry."Wow, you are a moron. First of all my post is not that long. Saying you don't have the energy to read it is really saying that you are lazy. Second, this invalidates most of your argument because you missed a TON of items. Repost when you have read the whole thing from top to bottom. Then I will consider that reply valid.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

it is really saying that you are lazy.You got that right. I'm a lazy cow.Second, this invalidates most of your argument because you missed a TON of itemsSorryRepost when you have read the whole thing from top to bottom. Then I will consider that reply valid.Well, don't expect that to happen any time soon.but my argument is still valid, and if you don't want to dispute it, I'm considering myself as the winner of this debate.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

"You got that right. I'm a lazy cow."Ah, so you're a troll. You can team up with Srom."Sorry"Doubt it."but my argument is still valid,"Not even close. Some of you points turned into the "straw man" argument. Others only grasped a small part of the entire argument. These are logical fallacies, therefore they are invalid. What don't you get about that? Oh the part where you didn't even read the post and then commented on it. The argument of assumption, another invalid argument. So no, you argument is invalid. Don't even pretend it is. Did you even read the part about the emotional condition?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

Well, your argument is only saying how bad my argument is.Instead of saying negative things about it, why don't you stand up for your opinion and tell me what's wrong with mine?Ah, so you're a troll. You can team up with Srom.so because I agreed with you.. I become a troll?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

Fine this should be easy......."Imagine you, imagine your father raped you."Invalid argument. You can't claim premises on that which is imaginary."I never said that was impossible."Invalid. Drifting from original argument. I was attacking you calling child rearing a punishment."It isn't just meant for reproduction."Illogical. Scientifically, the fundamental purpose of sexual intercourse is reproduction."well, if you read the first part of my first post"Oh "sorry" I didn't have time to read it; it was just so long."Lots of people commit suicide.. for lots of reasons"Attacking the result of the argument. The thesis was abortion causes emotional trauma in women.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

Attacking the result of the argument. The thesis was abortion causes emotional trauma in women.You said to me, that two women committed suicide because of abortion, then you asked me if I was happy fuckface, if I recall correctly - very mature I must say.But then I replied with, that people commit suicide for lots of reasons. Should we outlaw every reason people commit suicide of? If yes, then that is a valid argument, if no, then it is not a valid argument.Illogical. Scientifically, the fundamental purpose of sexual intercourse is reproduction.You said this: Reproduction is the only reason and main goal of sexThat is not true.Invalid. Drifting from original argument. I was attacking you calling child rearing a punishment.What??!I don't give a damn what you were doing.I said, that you should not punish a victim to a crime, punish the criminal.Then you said, that just because a baby is conceived under rape, it can still be a blessing to its mother.Then I said, that I never claimed, that a blessing can be given under rape is impossible. I think you are right, I think there are lots of mothers who are happy they didn't remove their baby, even if they were conceived under rape.It is not in all cases though, that the mother is very happy about the baby.In some cases, where a woman ends up pregnant after rape, she doesn't love the baby, she doesn't want it.And you guys say, that people should know the consequence and blabla.. but in that case, she was a victim to a crime, and she shouldn't be raising a consequence of being in some crime as a victim.Invalid argument. You can't claim premises on that which is imaginary.Yes I can.I was trying to put you in a situation, just like the pregnant woman, where the baby got conceived during rape. Just so you could understand her better.Would you give birth to your fathers baby, meaning that your father raped you at the point, where the baby was conceived?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

"I was trying to put you in a situation, just like the pregnant woman, where the baby got conceived during rape. Just so you could understand her better."In case you didn't read my latest post, understand this better.The percentage of abortions due to rape is 0.88%. That's right! LESS THAN ONE PERCENT!!!! (I'll repeat that) LESS THAN ONE PERCENT! Don't use that argument anymore because I just want to vomit with disgust.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

Why is that relevant?That's a number, I didn't try to encourage raped pregnant women to get abortions.I was trying to save them from a punishment, they might not want. Some women would want the baby conceived during rape - that is fully understandable, and they should do so.But seriously, I respect women 100% that make the other decission too. And it disgusts me to see a person like you, vomit over raped women. You are a horrible person.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

No your post is irrelevant. This isn't a rape debate, it's an abortion debate. And the fact that you have to bring rape into abortion when that only accounts for 0.88% of abortions is pretty sick. It would be like me seeing a black guy kill someone and then saying all black guys are murderers. Pretty ridiculous, huh? Just as ridiculous as your own point. See, what you are doing is stereotyping without even knowing it. Just because it isn't a race issue doesn't mean it's not stereotyping. But you already know that from my black guy example.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

I never said all abortions were caused by rape.And if you think my argument is so stupid and redicoulos, why are you even disputing me? Why not ignore what I said.The debate is: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence.To this I answered false, because some abortions are caused by rape and other reasonable reasons.How big or small the percentage is doesn't matter, abortions caused by rape is still existing - just like black murderers.I seriously don't think you should use your time on debating.You don't respect others opinions at all, and you call people who disagree with you fuckfaces. Even RandomDude is more mature than you are.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

"I seriously don't think you should use your time on debating."This is coming from someone who wouldn't even read my entire post before commenting on it???"You don't respect others opinions at all, and you call people who disagree with you fuckfaces. Even RandomDude is more mature than you are."All right, I suppose I kinda lost it there. I apologize for calling you a fuckface. I'll explain myself to you, but in a PM. It's kinda private.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

All right, I suppose I kinda lost it there. I apologize for calling you a fuckface. I'll explain myself to you, but in a PM. It's kinda private.It's okay. Let's just say we have a difference of opinion
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

Why don't we terminate the lives of already born babies that were conceived through rape?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

You're confusing two separate things, one is a fetus (or zygote or embryo, or what have you), and the other is a child. You're question is akin to asking "why don't we make scrambled eggs out of chickens?" When a egg is an egg it has certain uses and properties; the same holds true for a chicken. But although one becomes the other, they are not the same thing. You would have a very hard time trying to cut the head off of an egg, or scramble a chicken and fry it up in an omelet. Similarly, a baby is a baby and a zygote is a zygote. They are not the same thing. It is okay to terminate a zygote because a zygote is a zygote and not a person (just like sperm isn't a person, either), but a baby is a person, and therefore subject to laws we have against homicide.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

I'm not confusing anything. There is no essential difference between terminating the human life while it's inside the womb or outside the womb - in both cases it ends with the termination of the developing life.Your egg analogy is nonsensical and in proper analysis it supports my case. You see, we eat eggs... but we also eat chicken. It's perfectly compatible with pre- and after-birth abortion. The only difference is the age of the subject that is being killed.A baby and zygote share a fundamental characteristic - that both are human beings at a certain stage of development, both belong to the Homo Sapien's species. To say that it's okay to terminate a zygote because it's not a baby is like if I said that terminating a baby is okay because it's not an adult who has fully formed ideas, hopes, emotions and a sense of purpose.And could you please define your criteria for personhood? What do you mean when you say that babies are persons? They are clearly not capable of understanding the concept of rights or any concept for that matter because their mental faculties have not yet developed enough. So please, what is a person?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

There's a huge difference between the two.A child is sentient, has feelings, and generally would want to live.Something that has not developed the essential parts to have these relatively complex thoughts does not feel these things. Therefore, you are not taking anything from "them" (more accurately it but okay) because there is nothing too take. You're trying to turn it into a "less to take" argument with your example of comparing adults to children. That's a complete misrepresentation though.Now, if you want to argue potential life, that since there is the potential this thing will in the requisite months feel these things, okay.You'll lose that argument though because either nature or god "aborts" thousands of little potential babies even in the instances when one of the eggs do happen to be fertilized. If god or nature makes this happen on such a ridiculously high level, literally hundreds of thousands of little potential lives that are never born during each ejaculation, who are you to tell someone else they have to go through with this or that one particular pregnancy?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

A pig qualifies for the criteria you’ve put forth yet we don’t raise a pig to the importance of a human child. This means two things - we are hypocrites or we haven’t considered some third characteristic.You've stated the third characteristic, yourself: it's human. We don't raise a pig the importance of a child because, although they both display sentience, one is a human and the other isn't. I am taking their livesIn the sense that clipping your nails is "taking the life" of the nail, but no further. A zygote can be said to be organic matter, but it isn't alive in the same way a human being is alive. I want you to specify what do you mean by complex thoughts?How about having any thoughts, in general? A zygote, which looks a bit like a blood clot a girl might pass on her period, has no thoughts or consciousness or sentience at all. So literally any degree of brain activity gives the baby a one-up on the zygote. herefore, as you said - since the child is incapable of comprehending and feeling these things, you do them no harm because no harm can be done to someone who doesn’t understand and is ignorant of the concept of harm and rights.You can harm something that reacts to the physical stimuli of pain. A zygote cannot be harmed because it doesn't feel pain. If someone kills me while I’m sleeping, nothing is taken from me because at the time, my sentience is not functioning.You really can't see the difference between you, a sleeping human being, and a lump of bloody cells 8 months from becoming a human?
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

You've again in this compared a born baby to a recently fertilized egg. At some point, late, late term pregnancy, the parts of a mind develop which are capable of feeling on some primitive level. Prior to this, the fingernail analogy is still accurate.You're still arguing potential life, just from different angles and over and over. The argument is potential though, not existing life, potential.If your arguement is potential human life, okay.But then you also have to accept that god or nature abort more potential children every single time there is a pregnancy than every doctor in the world combined has aborted.You're choosing an arbitrary cutoff point, conception, with no reasoning to back up why this would be your cutoff point. Why not choose the moment of penetration? I mean, if you're inside why should you be allowed to pull out and not have a baby? That's a potential life.How about when you take a girl on a date? I mean, potentially you could fuck her and have a kid, so really if she says no not raping her is killing a baby.The "cutoff" point does not have to be arbitrary though, because we have knowledge. We know that this thing is not going to be capable of feeling or thought in any capacity at all until the third trimester at the earliest.If you are arguing against abortion before this time, you are by definition arguing potential, and so are pro rape, anti-condom, anti-pull out certainly, and must absolutely adhore either nature or god for letting all of those little potential babies die.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

I'll be blunt. I'm on the other side of the debate on this topic but your argument holds water.This doesn't bode well for my proposal to dish out retroactive abortions to homeless people ;)
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

You got it mixed up. It's true for most situations, maybe not true for a very slim minority of situations.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: False

I think it's more selfish to convince yourself you can raise a child and give them a terrible life just to keep your concise clear of an abortion. Or to put a child into a foster home.
Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

I do not agree with this. I think its selfish to practice any kind of sexual activity without realizing the consequences/ knowing they can be taken care of later. Life is sacred, people ought to know this.