Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

Now how can matter eternally exist if the big bang spreads it around and it has an end?What makes you think it has an end? Just because it spreads around and eventually drifts off into space doesn't mean it ends. It may just continue to drift forever but it will still exist, or maybe some strange event that we don't have any understanding of yet will cause all the dark energy in the universe to reverse and instead of pushing everything apart it will pull it all back together again. We may never know the answer. -------------------------------------------- If not an infinite lineage of big bangs yet one occured how does matter eternally exist? There is no way to know what form the matter took previous to the big bang. I could have been something we can't even begin to imagine. The big bang may have been a one time event that was triggered by some strange event in an unknown dimension. It's all a big mystery, and will most likely stay that way. All I know is that if something had to exist eternally I think it's far more likely that something simple like matter did than a powerful intelligent being. -------------------------------------------- Who knows? Maybe there is a purpose. Maybe. I guess we'll just have to wait and wonder.-------------------------------------------- Also the way you describe a better universe is odd. If things didnt collide with each other then earth wouldnt exist. Earth was made by collisions. The fact that earth was made by collisions is what leads me to believe that it is not intelligently designed. It seems like a strange and incredibly inefficient way to create something. If I were creating a universe I would just make Earth appear fully intact.-------------------------------------------- Neatly in place in perfect harmony? How so? Would you bend the laws of physics and all the astronomical properties that you know of now? Sure, why not. If I have the power to create a universe I imagine I could do just about anything I wanted.-------------------------------------------- How can you be affected by time if you started the clock? If the clock was started, that means there was a time before the clock was started. There can be no before without time already existing. -------------------------------------------- Why would you be frozen?Imagine you want to watch a movie the way an omniscient being who is outside of time would see it. It would be like if you took every single frame from the movie, overlapped them all into one image, and displayed that one image on the screen. The movie wouldn't move at all because without time there is no sequence of events. Everything would appear frozen, including yourself because if you are not in time you can't eat your popcorn because that is a sequence of events.-------------------------------------------- I understand the sequence of events but even the bible had a semi right idea (God said 1 day to him is of a thousand years to man) and if you are not affected by time you are not bound by any of its effects. But the effects of time are what allows us to function. If you discard time you discard everything that requires a sequence of events, which is pretty much everything. The act of god creating the universe in 7 days or 7000 years still requires time, even if it's on a different scale. Any and all actions are dependent on time.-------------------------------------------- You are eternal. You can still do what ever. In order to be eternal time cannot affect you.Being eternal doesn't mean time doesn't affect you, it just means you've been around forever, which I admit is a hard concept to grasp and gives me a headache just thinking about it. The concept of eternity is mind boggling.