azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Yes for us. No for God.Ok, so you establish basic rules for the universe, and the only way you can support your God delusion is to completely disregard them. Without matter one must be energy, but without space one simply has no place to be, and therefore cannot be. If something exists outside of space, matter and time then it is logical to conclude that it has no power over space, matter or time. That runs contrary to the assertion that God has power over everything.What do you mean? Eternity is a timeless value. Its very definition is outside of time. It's not a very long time, or even a very very very long time. It's timeless.No, eternity is all time so therefore cannot be attributed to anything outside time. Luckily, nothing exists outside time, as time is a universal constant. If something does exist outside time, then it simply cannot be eternal, as it has never had any time to exist. You cannot have everything of something that you don't have.Ok, nice. Energy, where did that come from? Oh, it must have always existed for your theory to be "ok", but time is not infinite, so oops! I dunno dude, if you can actually disprove God's existence, you'd probably win some sort of World Science Award or something... the whole world actually wants to know ;)Actually, if you read my whole argument, you would have seen that the entire theory operates under the video's assertion that something had to have always existed ('Or, if the physical restrictions and the 'something' are extant, then I submit an alternate theory to that of a sentient God.') . I don't like that part either, but I was operating under the logic of the video. My point was that the 'something' does not have to be a sentient God.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Ok, so you establish basic rules for the universe, and the only way you can support your God delusion is to completely disregard them.It's called not being bound by the rules of the things that you created.Without matter one must be energy, but without space one simply has no place to be, and therefore cannot be.These are human rules! They apply to the physical universe we inhabit! They don't apply to the Almighty.If something exists outside of space, matter and time then it is logical to conclude that it has no power over space, matter or time. That runs contrary to the assertion that God has power over everything.Really? I can also logically conclude that if something exists outside of space, matter and time then it is logical that it must have created S, M & T. That's what I've been trying to tell you the whole time.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

It's called not being bound by the rules of the things that you created.I know what it's called, but it is still just a desperate way of making God's existence seem inarguable.These are human rules! They apply to the physical universe we inhabit! They don't apply to the Almighty.If something is not physical or energetic, then it does not exist in any sense of the word.Really? I can also logically conclude that if something exists outside of space, matter and time then it is logical that it must have created it. That's what I've been trying to tell you the whole time.No, that isn't logical at all. Besides, the idea of creating energy is impossible. Creating it breaks the law that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. If God does exist he can't create energy. Even if he exists outside S, M and T, because the energy created would be subject to that law, and thus could not have been created. What you have there is a paradox. If you end up with a paradox then either your information is wrong (which I have checked, and it isn't) or your suggestion is impossible. Is that proof enough for you?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

it is still just a desperate way of making God's existence seem inarguableIt's not desperate at all, i reckon it's pretty solid :)If something is not physical or energetic, then it does not exist in any sense of the wordRight, but I still think God exists and say that your logic is nonsense :) I think if it's possible we should have a WWF wrestling match for this debate. It'll be awesome to take issues such as this (can't be proved or disproved) and dress up the wrestlers appropriately according to the side they represent, then have them fight it out. The side that wins the match, wins the debate! the idea of creating energy is impossible. Creating it breaks the law that energy can neither be created nor destroyedDude, you keep giving me the laws that govern our humanly universe and say that the Creator has to abide by these laws... that's just stubborn.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

"... just a desperate way of making God's existence seem inarguable."No... desperate is when you believe for the sake of hope. The concept of God's existence acting over our own isn't illogical, nor is it desperate, it is actually a solid argument that makes God's existence seem highly possible. I state "highly possible" and not "inarguable" because you have clearly argued against it, therefore it is not inarguable.People like you want to believe that everything is a coincidence, that everything physical exists based on previous physical matter and that everything happens based on what happened before it. I don't believe in a God for "hope," I believe because I feel that everything wasn't, isn't, and won't be just a coincidence."If something is not physical or energetic, then it does not exist in any sense of the word."I thought that NVYN just proved you wrong in the previous post? You seem more desperate that most other people here, just in getting your point across. One thing that you fail to understand is that existence didn't just happen! Energy doesn't just suddenly appear based on nothing!!! Something needs to happen for something else to happen!!!!! So, if physical matter and energy didn't just spring up out of nowhere, then where did it come from? Hmmm... it couldn't be other forms of physical matter or energy, because that would just go on forever in an endless riddle of confusion. So... that would mean that something that exists outside of physicality and that isn't a form of energy, wouldn't it? Well, "the Almighty" seems to fit that slot quite well doesn't he?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

"desperate is when you believe for the sake of hope."#Believing for the sake of hope perfectly describes belief in God. Therefore such beliefs can be described as desperate."People like you want to believe that everything is a coincidence"I see no coincidence, I don't believe the universe was created, so my believes do not facilitate a coincidental occurrence with the universe's creation. " One thing that you fail to understand is that existence didn't just happen!"Consider this: We have established that time began along with the universe.Therefore the universe has existed for all time.Therefore, having always existed, the universe could not have been created.You say that existence without creation is impossible, but then go on to state that everything was created by a God who always existed, without being created. You use "logic" to refute my arguments, but then ignore that logic in your own arguments. Besides, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (inarguable), so the idea of something creating energy is impossible. Saying that somebody created energy is like saying that somebody created a cubic sphere, in that the object's existence defies its own existence by breaking a law that defines what it is.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

"Believing for the sake of hope perfectly describes belief in God."Okay, I'm going to take a punt and say that you're an atheist, but that doesn't matter, what matters is that you obviously do not care for religious beliefs and how varied the reasons for believing in religions are. It is undoubtedly obvious that some people do believe in God for the sake of hope, but the rest of us, who share the belief in God, hold this belief for different reasons. If you believed in God, why would you want to? This is an example question to find the answer to why individual or grouped people may want to or do believe in God. Faith is one answer, logic is the other. In your point of view God is an illogical concept, and yet, the only proof you suggest is that time and space were created simultaneously. Here's the flaw:"We have established that time began along with the universe. Therefore the universe has existed for all time. Therefore, having always existed..."That opening part of the third sentence is the key flaw in your argument. You have suggested that time is a finite thing, as you used the word "began" in sentence one. Therefore, if time "began" along with the universe, then that means that space (the universe) is also finite. Therefore, here's the question: where did it come from? Surely it didn't just spring up out of nowhere did it? So, here's the big one, if the laws of science in terms of energy suggest that energy cannot be created, nor can it be destroyed, then it isn't possible for the creation of time and space to "just happen." God is a perfectly logical explanation for this creation, as he would naturally have to exist outside the laws of time and space, hence, he has existed for all time, and he is everywhere (in a matter of speaking).Hopefully you get the clear message that I agree with the logic of energy, but I refute the fact that it simply "began," because of the simple question of: how did it begin? Answer me that using the laws of science.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

'Answer me that using the laws of science.'So you demand that scientific laws are used to support an argument, but then completely disregard them in order to make your delusions seem reasonable. Nothing is outside the laws of science, which is why these laws give us television, the internet, motor vehicles etc, whilst religion brings nothing but conflict, murder and social repression.'In your point of view God is an illogical concept, and yet, the only proof you suggest is that time and space were created simultaneously.'My theory is solid, because if time began along with the universe, then the universe has existed for all time, therefore it can be said that the universe has always existed, as there was no time in which it did not. Besides, your argument does not support a God. A God is an omniscient, perfect and omnipotent being. Your argument merely posits a form of non-dimensional energy. As the big bang theory suggests that the universe began with infinite energy without space, you seem to be arguing in favor of that. I doubt this is your intention, so perhaps you are merely ignorant of the fact that the two theories are the same.Also, in your last paragraph, you refute the fact that the universe 'began'. I don't quite understand what you mean. If you do not believe in a beginning, then you must agree with my assertions that the universe has always existed. You clearly do not, as you have refuted that also, so if you could detail your own theory in your next argument, I would greatly appreciate it.Happy Easter.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Okay, firstly responding to your first sentence, I am asking for a scientific response from you using the laws of science, as I have obviously shown how they do not apply to the almighty."Nothing is outside the laws of science..."Yes there is; God is. Proof; these laws were created because time and space is finite, hence, they have not always existed, only for all time. Something exists outside of the laws of science in order to create these laws as well as the time and matter that is bound to it. Get to know this argument, because the way you keep dragging on about the above quoted statement, it'll be replayed a few times to come." ...which is why these laws gave us television, the Internet...(etc)... whilst religion brings nothing but conflict, murder and social repression."The last time I checked; technology, summing up what you have stated in regard to scientific laws, also brings conflict, murder and social repression. God doesn't necessarily mean religion; religion can believe what it wants, I don't go as far as to say that God should be worshiped on a daily basis. I state that God created the laws of science and everything that is bound to it, nothing more."My theory is solid..."Nuh-uh. Here's why, using a few quotes from your paragraph:"If time began along with the universe, then the universe has existed for all time..."Correct, that's as far as that argument needs to go. Unfortunately, you got me a bit confused:"...therefore it can be said that the universe has always existed, as there was no time in which it did not."Hmmm, define always for me. If you mean simply within time then yes, if you mean beyond it then no. God always existed, because God is not bound by time or space. The universe has existed for all time, nothing more.Okay, now to argument paragraph 3. Your definition of God is irrelevant. All the we really can know is that God is not bound by his creations; the laws of science and all that is bound to it. As for the big bang theory, it was probably a smart move on your part, but it doesn't help you out in the long run. You still need to explain where all that energy came from, it didn't just "begin," something did something and time and space began with energy. In my point of view, God created time and space along with the energy that inhabited it. After all, my argument that God isn't bound by his creations, the laws of science, is solid in this department. So, making things clearer this time, define where energy came from when time "began" using the laws of science. If energy cannot be created or destroyed within the laws of science, and since it cannot exist forever because time is finite, then how did it come to exist? My answer: God made it happen. Your answer: .............ah, that's right, you have no solid answer, my mistake. As a matter of fact, the only thing that you have really shown in this debate is that God's existence can be questioned, you haven't proved that he doesn't exist which is the whole point of your side.Oh, and Happy Easter to you too! (No insult intended, sharing a holiday greeting)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Why do you say it needs to be disproved, your the one who needs to show some serious evidence for this strange belief. If you want others to take you seriously that is
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Whatever pal, call it whatever you like. I mean, fine, don't disprove God's existence. All you gotta do is prove the fact that matter, order and all that jazz appeared spontaneously out of nothingness. That's not "disproving", that's actually "proving". Prove your position, then we can all go home and have a beer.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Your debate is drifting elsewhere now, your stance is you believe in a god, mine stance is i do not believe a god exists. Why should i need proof of otherwise when you are the one making this claim. I could also say i believe in unicorns, if you do not you must prove otherwise cause i have definitely seen one!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I've proven god with logic. That's my proof.Now consider your position, you don't believe god exists, so can I ask you where you think matter and order comes from?Regarding unicorns, you say you've seen one, can you tell us more about it? I've never seen God btw.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

Definition of proof, "evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true" where is your evidence?I believe in a more natural creation and evolution of the universe, i believe religion is merely a way to control the masses of society.If you have never seen god how can you be so sure he is real?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Buddy, I've provided evidence a million times in this debate. The opposition has also tried to do the same. Please do a search for these here as I'm not going to bother for the millionth time.I look at the wonderful orderly universe and everything in it and I believe that it must have been designed by a creator.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

You are taking in the facts of the creation and the laws of the universe and are making an assumption based on your own beliefs, that is not proof or evidence.Since you say religion doesn't take place in a belief of god, does that mean you aren't religious?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

I'm far from religious. I think that religions have lots of good values when their rules make people's lives better, but not when they start to get irrelevant and prescribe rules that are based on pure supernatural events and give people false hopes.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

when they start to get irrelevant and prescribe rules that are based on pure supernatural events and give people false hopes.That, to me, is the perfect way to explain why people believe in God. To give meaning to events beyond their understanding and to convince themselves that no matter how shit their lives are, they will be rewarded in the end. They will not. Deep down, we know that death is the end, which is why we do anything and everything within our power to prevent it. because we know that God is a superstition and that the afterlife is just wishful thinking.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Dude! What on God's green earth are you talking about? I'm talking about fraudulent ministers of evangelical churches supposedly healing people and making lame people walk and shit, that's bs. I'm not talking about the afterlife because as far as I'm concerned, it also exists.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Oh and my belief in God has nothing to do with religion. .
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

Natural Selection - What does it select and how it decides? What is the Intelligence that allowed to come to a conclusion?If we see few selections: 1. Week are Protected - Ex. Mammals overtook Dinosaurs 2. Wicked are destroyed - Ex. Evil civilizations always got destroyed 3. Planned Execution - Wonderful success rate (absolute no wast) 4. Beauty beyond description - Needs great skill set to achieve it!If this is done by Intelligence, How do we describe it? God!!!!Amazing you got it :)
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

they exist because of people's belief in them. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////,,
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

they exist because of people's belief in them.So Freddy Crougar and Zombies exist too?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

yes because people believe in them. which is exactly what i said. i didnt say everyone believes in everything, at that point nothing would really matter, would it? But what i am saying that if you believe in something enough, you tend to make it real. people who think that zombies are real probably see zombies. people who believe in ghosts enough probably see ghosts. your mind is very powerful. if you believe that you are sick, you can make yourself very ill. and that is a fact.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

yes because people believe in them. which is exactly what i said. i didnt say everyone believes in everything, at that point nothing would really matter, would it?Plenty of little boys and girls believe in it, and yet they aren't real.But what i am saying that if you believe in something enough, you tend to make it real. people who think that zombies are real probably see zombies. people who believe in ghosts enough probably see ghosts. What exists in your mind doesn't' follow into reality. We can only make certain things real after effort, but they must obey the laws of nature. A god doesn't fit into this.your mind is very powerful. if you believe that you are sick, you can make yourself very ill. and that is a fact.Right, but this mechanism doesn't make gods, it just deals with bodily integrity.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

ok but what about the opposite. just because you dont think its real, it's not? how does that make sense but not the other way around. and yes plenty of children believe and ghosts, monsters, zombies, whatever, and they are real to them their minds make it real, hell they probably are real because people like you don't believe in such creatures they arent real. learn to accept things
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

ok but what about the opposite. just because you dont think its real, it's not? how does that make sense but not the other way around. Because belief in something has no relevance to its existence. Things exist apart of our awareness and recognition of them. Our mind is merely making a model of the universe that we can detect with our senses. What we see isn't even what is there in the objective sense, but a representation built using our brain's assignment of colour to EM wavelength, pattern recognition, our mind's association of chemical compounds with a smell that is appropriate based on desirability and with what affinity it binds to our olfactory receptors, and so on.and yes plenty of children believe and ghosts, monsters, zombies, whatever, and they are real to them their minds make it real, hell they probably are real because people like you don't believe in such creatures they arent real. Again, believing in something has no impact on its existence. We are what is real and an idea's ability to cause us to behave in strange ways is only reflective of ourselves. We are the agents that lend effect to something, we are what makes something non-existent have an impact on reality, but through all of this it is only we that exist and are doing those deeds.learn to accept thingsA simple way to know that you are wrong is that humans believe in all sorts of contradictory and mutually exclusive things. They can't all exist, which means your premise is wrong.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

that was way long. straight the point. and just because you dont believe in things doesnt mean they dont exist. just because certain people dont believe in certain things doesnt mean they dont exist
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

that was way long. straight the point. and just because you dont believe in things doesnt mean they dont exist. I think you misunderstood it, read the first paragraph again. I said in the beginning: belief is irrelevant to something's existence. In other words whether or not we believe in something doesn't change whether it exists.This is why merely believing in god doesn't make him real.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

ok then in your opinion what would make these things exist????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

ok then in your opinion what would make these things exist?Something exists if it is made up of matter or energy in our universe.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

so what you are saying is that you have to see it to believe it?
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

so what you are saying is that you have to see it to believe it?No. I'm saying that for something to exist in the physical sense it cannot be merely in your mind, it must be made of the stuff of this universe.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

so you dont believe that love exists, or hurt or anger??you dont believe that joy exists or happiness? none of those things are made of of matter or energy in our universe
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

so you dont believe that love exists, or hurt or anger??you dont believe that joy exists or happiness?They do not physically exist. They are but emotions that we (and higher animals) carry and express. That is their limit. If we (and those higher animals) die, those emotions die with us.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

that is ridiculous!!! the only reasons those emotions exisit is because PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THEM!!!
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: No

that is ridiculous!!! the only reasons those emotions exisit is because PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THEM!!!Belief has nothing to do with it. Emotions aren't believed in, they are felt. They exist as programming within us.
Debate: DO GODS EXIST??
Side: yes

but dont we feel them because we believe in them. we believe we feel something. like believing you're sick.