Debate: Marines Urinating on Taliban
Side: Funny.

"But maybe you were just trying to see if i am in the percentage who does believe that crap."Well, since you've been smart enough to immunize yourself from the propaganda and misinformation continuously circulated in the mainstream media, and downloaded into the collective consciousness of the public, how do you feel about it?"Because you assumed that i believed all of those conspiracy theories just because many other Americans do"Let's get one thing clear, I'm not talking about conspiracy theories, a lot of conspiracy theories are far from ridiculous, and that's precisely why they are demonized and caricatured as cartoonish in the media."But i am trying to say that you say the Army is not as bad as you say they are."I'm not claiming that all US soldiers are inherently evil or anything, just the same way I wouldn't claim that of the Taliban, they're human, they're not perfect, but the institution is corrupt, it's motives are self interested to the point of causing immense suffering."At least some soldiers are trying to help, even though they might not be helping so much. "I don't see what this has to do with supporting the war, you either support the war, or you don't, I understand your desire to support your troops, but if you're going to support the imperialistic hegemonic policies of your government that kill so many innocent impoverished people overseas just because you don't want to be seen "not supporting the troops", and thus, not being patriotic, you really have to question whether or not your simply a nationalistic drone, as so many americans seem to be.Many incredibly sophisticated tools are used to manufacture the consent of the public, and none is more powerful than nationalism, nobody wants to eb perceived as not supporting their people, especially if their people are being killed, but it's quite obvious that people that don't support the war still support the troops, you know why?, because they want to bring them home, they won't be killed by Taliban, or IED's, or beheaded when they're in the US."but some soldiers really think they're helping, but some are forced to come, as in Vietnam"You really don't want to discuss Vietnam with me, I love that country, I've been there three times in my lifetime, most recently last summer for 2 months, I know the history of the war in south east asia well, and it is quite sickening what america did there, it is almost comparable in scale and suffering to what the Nazis did to the Jews, it's so sickening that it's kept well out of any american history book, 4 million people were killed by the US in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, the overwhelming majority of which were innocent civilians. As I write this one particular story of a US senator convicted of terrible war crimes in Thanh Phong in South Vietnam comes to mind. I remember reading a detailed account of witness reports of how he and his unit slaughtered women, childen and elderly people, even though they encountered no resistance. He himself was apparently guitly of fishing out children hiding in sewers, and then disemboweling them with a knife (see document I dug up). He became a war hero for what he did there, and that was largely the reason he became a Senator."doesn't mean they have the right to oppress the other"I agree, but that is for the Afgham people to prevent, the current government is a puppet regime which has largely been made of up corrupt war lords who are no better than the Taliban. The Taliban was original;y welcomed when they came into power because they took power from the brutal war lords, many of which the US have reinstated."they use terrorism to get their way."Do you think the US army don't use terrorism, everythiing they do is terrorism, the US army is the greatest terrorist organisation on earth, do you think there is a moral difference between a drone and an IED? What about a katyusha rocket and a tomohawk missile? The only difference is how one results on far greater destruction, most frequently directed at civilians, the other key differnce is you are foreign invaders trying to subjugate them into a form of neo-slavery, they know they have to use terrorism and guerilla warfare, they know there is no other way."i meant that the us army is not all a lie like you said"I agree, but you'd be surprised the kind of truths that are intentionally kept hidden, the Iraq war logs showed the true colours of the US army."so I am just pointing out that every soldier is not evil."I agree, that why so many are supporting Ron Paul, or applying for conscientious objector status, or whatever else.