azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Maybe he doesn't follow what you consider to be an ethical code. Maybe he doesn't care.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Your argument is that he doesn't care? I doubt you believe that.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

My argument is that it is semantics. Defining what God wants or defining what is "moral" is a poor and bad argument. If God is God, then he defines what is good by his own opinion, not ours.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

But if there is a God, he is ultimately the judge of your afterlife, and he decides what is good and evil, then it needs to be clarified. It is no longer semantics but integral to your well being. Defining what God wants and following it is the essence of religion. That is why there are so many branches in Christianity; there are many interpretations to what the nature of God is.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

All Christian denominations agree that Jesus is the savior and that salvation only comes through him. They all agree we are flawed sinners in need of redemption. Christianity isn't a "be good" party. It's a "we accept and acknowledge" that we aren't good party.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

They are similar in general. However it's the details that separate the denominations. There is a discrepancy as to what is considered sin and what isn't. Some denominations require you to do good works as penance for your sins, yet do not require you to believe in God in order to go to heaven. Others require only that you believe in God. Some say you are born with "original sin" on your soul. Some believe that there is penance after death in a place called "purgatory". So the difference matters if there is an objective reality.In some christian circles, I have a ticket to heaven as long as I confess my sins before death. So I can live my entire life in disbelief along completely different moral guidelines and can still get to heaven as long as I change heart at the last minute. So it completely matters. Christianity is definitely a "be good" party. Every one is a sinner and must obey the laws or be punished. That is the essence of christianity. Motivated with eternal reward and threatened with eternal torment. Going back to the original question, I am assuming you believe God is against homosexuality due to your passion for scripture. So that fact that he would put a P-Spot in the anus is very confusing to say the least. We are not talking about semantics here. We are getting down to the nitty gritty and putting the idea of a designer to the test.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'http://biblehub.com/luke/18-13.htm"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."biblehub.com/luke/18-14.htm
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

"But whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire." Daniel 3:6
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

1)Now you know why most evangelicals are Conservative. God isn't a liberal. God isn't running a democracy here.2)Looks like you've given a good argument for Pascal's Wager. It's suicide to reject and oppose an omnipotent God when he offers you everything with his hand out.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

1) So you agree that this isn't semantics? Apparently God gives a hoot about your personal decisions. But he also puts disease on this planet as a sort of death lottery regardless of whether you are doing good or evil. This is irrational. Apparently God is an irresponsible parent that just watches as his kid plays with scissors. If we choke on them, its our fault. Should've known better. It's a stupid ideology.2) Pascal's Wager is a wager of fear. I refuse to follow an idea just because someone tries to scare me into doing it. It worked on most people before we discovered The Scientific Method. It's called the Dark Ages for a reason. It's a shitty way to live your life. Honestly if there really is a God, I don't like him at all. He is a psychopath and he obviously doesn't love everybody. He favors the people with money over the people without and he tortures innocents based on random circumstances.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

So you agree that this isn't semantics? Apparently God gives a hoot about your personal decisions. But he also puts disease on this planet as a sort of death lottery regardless of whether you are doing good or evil. This is irrationalNot really. We were in a place with none of those things, he told us to stay away from this, and we still chose this.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Oh really? Are you talking about the garden of Eden? Where is this place? Oh right it's in that book that explains everything and not in the real world.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Apparently God is an irresponsible parent that just watches as his kid plays with scissors. If we choke on them, its our fault. Should've known better. It's a stupid ideology.Humans were grown and chose this path as adults. He still has the light on at his home waiting for us to come back. He even offered us the keys to get back in.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I didn't choose this. So I am paying for my ancestor's mistakes before I was born? And if I choose right, the world will still be in a state of chaos but I shouldn't care?And hey man this website doesn't update so you should really just send it to me in one response. Not like 5. What are you trying to rack up the points on here or something?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Pascal's Wager is a wager of fear. I refuse to follow an idea just because someone tries to scare me into doing it.Pascal's Wager isn't in the Bible. It's a philosophical argument based purely on logic.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I know it isn't in the bible. I've read the bible. Well at least most of it. I was raised in a very religious family. I had a very difficult journey finding my way to the truth and I know religious apologetics to the T. I still stand by my statement that it is about fear mongering. These aren't the words of God trying to offer you a way into heaven. It's the words of men trying to get you to follow an ideology.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

These aren't the words of God trying to offer you a way into heaven. It's the words of men trying to get you to follow an ideology.And if you are wrong?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I've considered the possibility that I am wrong. Have you?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Yep. But atheism doesn't offer me optimism, hope, meaning, purpose, etc. All things that are a part of the psychological hierarchy of needs.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Sure it does, you just haven't truly considered it yet. There is beauty in this world, even without a god. You find purpose on your own, and you don't even necessarily need it. But you can't truly understand it until you make the jump yourself. It's not an easy jump. I honestly had a very hard time reconciling my faith with reality. It took me years to truly become an atheist. Honestly I find it incredibly liberating and beautiful. It has opened so many doors for me and allowed me to truly and confidently express myself in ways that I could not during the time I was religious. There is definitely optimism and hope on the other side. That is why atheists get so angry when someone doesn't acknowledge that. Because it's like a slap in the face. Honestly, I have nothing against religion in the modern world. I have many beautiful memories from my church communities and youth groups growing up. But I really do feel like it prohibits people from discovering the truth to an extent. They are bound to reconcile anything they discover with their faith. But some people need their religion. It is healthy for drug addicts and prison inmates in order to truly overcome their challenges. But for someone who wants to know truth, I say it is an inhibitor because it is a system of manipulation.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

it worked on most people before we discovered The Scientific MethodNot really. The scientific method existed at the height of Christianity in America and the West. Most of the world is religious today. There are 2.6 billion Christians alone.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I am specifically referring to the Age of Enlightenment. That is when the Scientific Method was officially born. Before that, people were mostly religious. In fact, Christianity dominated the Western World. It was called "The Dark Ages" because it sucked ass. The Catholic Church was the government and it was full of torture, war, and religious conflict.Once the Age of Enlightenment happened, the world saw many beautiful revolutions. The Renaissance was the major boom in the field of the Arts and Music. The Age of Exploration was what allowed America to be discovered in the first place. It wouldn't have happened unless people broke their chains from their religious background.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

it was called "The Dark Ages" because it sucked assSome might say right now is "the dark ages". It may have sucked, it may not. I don't know. I wasn't there. But sucky realities don't make God disappear by default.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

It definitely sucked worse than today. There were witch hunts, horrible plagues of disease (black death), no modern medicine (in fact there were horrible practices like blood letting), famine, horrible torture, and relentless executions. We have it easy. Oh and it was under the rule of the Christians. You didn't have to be there. And it is one thing to argue the existence of a God based on empirical evidence. If instead of showing me bible quotes, you pulled out some articles or discoveries of nature, I would take it more seriously. Like when we were talking about the code found by James Gates. I thoroughly enjoyed that discussion. I felt like I learned something. But when we talk about the bible, I find it dull and annoying. That book is fiction in my eyes. You would be equally annoyed if I started pulling quotes from the Bibliotheca.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

the Catholic Church was the government and it was full of torture, war, and religious conflict.The greatest warnings of Jesus in the Bible are about "religious people", "wolves in sheep's clothing", "false prophets", etc. We aren't surprised when the church does evil. 1)Everyone is evil on some level.2)Some of Satan's closest allies are in the church itself according to the Bible.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

But don't you follow the church? If the evil is written in their laws and is carried out by its leaders, wouldn't that make the ideology corrupt? By the way, which church do you follow?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Before that, people were mostly religious. In fact, Christianity dominated the Western WorldThe western world is still dominated by Christianity. The U.S. is 80% Christian right this second. Poland is nearly 100%. The U.S. was over 90% only a few decades back. Science has flourished during all of the periods in the West.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Yes but we are talking about the Middle Ages. This is when it began. Before that, people were torturing christians for their faith and were mostly under Roman Rule.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Isn't it ironic and fascinating that Jesus said the gospel would go to every nation (it has) and in the midst of the early persecution, it survived, then took over the region responsible for killing him, and now has more adherants today than the entire population of Earth in his day?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

The same could be said for Islam. Why is Islam so prominent? They even have strict laws in certain islamic countries prohibiting the spread of Christianity. And you should also consider the increasing population of non religious people. In fact if it is measured with the spread of major religions, it is a close second to Christianity. If non religious belief was considered a religion, it would be the third largest religion in the world. And it is growing.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

This is actually how the Bible said it would all go down in the end. I give a strong argument that Islam is the beast system of Revelation. The Bible also says that once the gospel goes to every nation, there will be a "falling away" and the beast system will begin to emerge. It's odd that all 3 happened in my lifetime. Nailing all 3 at a single point in future history is uncomprehendable and virtually impossible without divine intervention.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I find no consolation in prophecy. There are too many people who are shouting in the street with signs that Jesus will come back on such and such date. It never happens. I don't think the bible can predict the future. I think that revelation was a book that was describing the time when Romans were persecuting Christians. Just like the fish was a secret symbol for christians to identify each other at the time, there were many other uses of symbolism. This book is full of them and it is really a letter to urge Christians not to assimilate into Roman culture. It is not a prediction of the future as so many Christians hope to believe it is, but rather a historical account of the time it was written.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

i find no consolation in prophecy. There are too many people who are shouting in the street with signs that Jesus will come back on such and such date. It never happensI don't know your level of Biblical knowledge, but it does say that, that will be the appeal made by people as the end comes upon us. "Where is he?"
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I would expect it to say that. If I was writing a prophecy, the first thing I would mention is that there will be people who will not believe it. There's going to be people in denial for everything. That isn't a prophecy in itself.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Fair enough. But what one must think upon is that the Bible gives a giant perspective of what the end will be like. It has to all fall into place to be reasoned to be true, highly likely, or even just possibly true. It doesn't make 3 or 4 claims. It gives hundreds of claims.One thing that is intellectually appealing to me is that every nation the messiah comes against from the OT to the NT is Islamic today. There was no Islam when the Bible was written, nor would there be for 700 years from the last Biblical word.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Doesn't Islam worship the same god as Christianity? They have very similar origin stories such as Abraham and Noah and such. In fact, I think some forms of Islam regard Jesus as a prophet. It's just a more aggressive religion. Why would it be regarded as an enemy religion if it worships the same god in a different way? Is this solely based on your interpretation of Revelations?
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-4.htm
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

I think that revelation was a book that was describing the time when Romans were persecuting ChristiansThis would be hard for me to believe because the Bible depicts a worldspread gospel, which wasn't even close to happening during the early church. They were closer to extinction than preaching to every nation on the planet. It also depicts a world leader who dominates all of Earth (the beast), not a fraction of it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well you have to remember that to the people of the time didn't have a concept of the entire world. They didn't know about America yet. So the Roman empire really did look like it could conquer the world. It was a massive and powerful empire. But I am not going to defend this point too strongly because like I said, my knowledge is limited on this subject. I am not entirely sure about the symbolism in Revelations. But I think it can be argued that you can interpret it in many different ways. So if one of your predictions didn't quite line up, you could easily just say that you were wrong in interpreting it instead of the text actually being wrong.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

It is not a prediction of the future as so many Christians hope to believe it is, but rather a historical account of the time it was writtenThis would be hard for me to believe because the terms end of days, end of the world, end of the age, etc are prevalent in the Old Testament and in the New Testament outside of the book of Revelation. I can't imagine what Roman figure would have matched the false prophet or Satan literally manifesting in a human on Earth. It's also hard for me to believe because Islam matches the beast system description to a "T". They literally are looking for a messianic figure, the Mahdi, to oppose the "king of kings", they literally look to have their forheads marked in the end, they literally behead Christians and in mass. They literally are genociding Christians across the Middle East. They literally imprison Christians. They literally look for "Jesus" to come back as a prophet, renounce his Son of Godness, and give authority to the Mahdi, a one world ruler who will rule the Earth by Sharia law. Jesus himself warned of a time when a convincing figure would come who claims to be him but to "not go after them". And if there is any doubt as to this being true, we are told in Genesis that Ishmael's seed (Muslims) are rejected by God in exchange for Isaac's seed, the Jews. We are told they will be violent with their hand against each other and against their neighbors. There are 2 covenants mentioned in the OT. There are 2 covenants mentioned in the NT. One is Hagar (The mother of Ishmael), the covenant of the slave. The other is Sara, (the mother of Isaac), the covenant of the free. Hagar is the mother of Islam to Muslims. Muslims also refer to themselves as "the slaves of Allah". The Book of Revelation pre-dates Islam by almost 700 years.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Honestly my knowledge of revelations is limited. I do not read into it like some do. I do know that there are those who support my argument, but I would have to ask them for more detail on the historical account. I will look into it.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Well I will have to do some more research on this subject and get back to you on it. Perhaps we could start a seperate debate on it since it is irrelevant to the topic at this point.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Here is the Islamic dome of the rock inscription. It is an "antichrist" repudiation of "the son of god" which is antichrist by Biblical definition. The dome also sits in an interesting position. It sits in the exact spot where the Antichrist "beast" declares himself to be God. It also sits in the exact spot that the messiah sees from the Mount of Olives at his final coming to destroy the beast. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/DoTR.html
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

And as if that wasn't enough, Muhammad's wet nurse said he was demon possessed as a child, in the Quran. Muhammad claimed that the "angelic guest" that gave him his revelation at Medina was a demon. Also in the Quran. His own words, not mine. And finally, Muhammad was "tricked" by Satan into writing "Satanic verses" of which he had to repudiate. And these are Islam's own claims. You are welcome to google my argument.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Yet the Quran is another book of which I find no credibility in. I do not know as much about the Quran as the bible, but I find no solace in reading its text. This book is fictional as well in my opinion.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

The Renaissance was the major boom in the field of the Arts and Music. The Age of Exploration was what allowed America to be discovered in the first placeDuring the Renaissance the West was heavily Catholic. When Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, the U.S. was over 90% Christian.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Christianity wasn't the motivator behind the Renaissance. In fact, art used to be all about religious icons and idols. Artists were not permitted to put their names on their artwork and were prohibited from using certain materials because the work was under religious scrutiny and had to represent God and the saints. It wasn't until the Renaissance where people found new hope in exploring art for it's aesthetics alone. They studied the techniques and played with colors. Mind you, there was still religious influence in the art, but it was motivated by new movements in philosophy such as Humanism and reviving the styles of the ancient greeks. Christianity was no longer the driving factor of the art.Landing on the moon was a scientific achievement. It wasn't motivated by religious ideology at all. The religious population during that time is irrelevant. It was science (and a little bit of politics) that got us there.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

it's called the Dark Ages for a reason. It's a shitty way to live your life.Not really. Look up "saved by grace". I drink alcohol, mildly curse, etc. I also have faith. I'm not a buddhist monk.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

Is that a book? And I am referring to living your life under the idea that there is an omnipotent person who will punish you if you don't follow his rules.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

Honestly if there really is a God, I don't like him at all. I don't like liver, but there it is nonetheless.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: Yes.

I also don't like liver. And I refuse to eat it. But liver doesn't threaten me with torture.
Debate: Is this universe created by solely natural processes?
Side: No.

He is a psychopath and he obviously doesn't love everybodyThe Bible doesn't say "God loves everyone". Should he love Hitler, Mao and Stalin?Nevertheless, I don't love everyone in the way I love my family, and I'm not a psychopath.