azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

SOME EARLY CHRISTIANS BELIEVED IN MANY GODSQuite frankly, this directly contradicts the term "Christian" which means "follower of Christ." This is a ridiculous argument because, contrary to what many believe, christians were not persecuted for their faith in Christ, but rather for their belief that Christ was the embodiment of the ONE true God. This is what caused the Romans, a polytheistic society, to turn on them and, ultimately, target them. Not only that, but, as we have seen in the gospels, Jesus directly stated, "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life." And we have no reason to refute the plausibility of the gospels because they have passed every authenticity test placed before them.MANY DENIED CHRIST'S DIVINITYOnce again, I return the argument that this would directly conflict with their title. They could not call themselves christians without "confessing with the mouth and the heart that Jesus is the Son of God."SEEING AS HOW CHRIST'S OWN FOLLOWERS AND EARLY CHRISTIANS IN THE 1ST CENTURY COULD NOT EVEN AGREE ON WHO HE WAS, WHAT HE WAS LIKE OR EVEN IF HE WAS MARRIED OR NOTFirstly, the first century church was founded solely by people who had either A) seen Jesus personally and learned directly from him and began to teach to others, or B) People who believed the message preached by the people who fell into the category of group A.Secondly, James, one of Jesus' disciples, was Jesus' own half-brother! There is no plausible evidence to give to say that no one knew who Jesus was when not only his brother was involved, but so were John and Peter, the disciples with whom Jesus talked most and divulged many of his great teachings. That, coupled with the fact that Jesus spent three years with his twelve disciples, is more than enough to dispel any evidence that people did not know who he was when all they had to do was ask one of the people with whom he had spent time.Lastly, the theory that Jesus was married, though old, has never been verified or disproved, according to my knowledge, though i personally think it is false. But the simple fact of the matter is, Jesus was not revered for his celibacy. He was revered because of who he was and what he stood for. He was revered because he was willing to die a horribly agonizing death out of love for all mankind. Even if he had been married, this would not have changed the meaning of his teachings, his life, his death, or his resurrection in any way, shape, or form.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Just because you don't consider early Christian sects such as the gnostics and aryians as true Christians does not mean that they did not play an important role in early christian history. I believe the poster you are responding to was trying to draw attention to the diversity of beliefs held in the first few centuries about Christ by people who claimed to be Christians. Whether or not you believe their claim or not is beside the point. What is important to note, is that their was wide spread disagreement about who Jesus was and what his life was like.The truth is, there is not sufficient historical evidence to tell us one way or the other. The 4 accepted books of the gospels (there were many more http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html), ,) were written at least 70 AD, in a language that Jesus did not speak (Greek). They are also full of contradiction and parts clearly invented to make it appear as if the man's life fulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament (that is if you read them as an observer of human nature and not through the lens of blind faith).Regardless, For me at least there are 3 verses from those books that clearly dispute the validity of the gospels:Mark 9:1 And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power." This quote is repeated although with slightly different verbiage in Mathew chapter 16 and Luke chapter 9.These are the alleged words of Christ. If he was right. The Kingdom of God should have come within the life time of Jesus's apostles. This clearly did not happen because anyone he was actually talking to has been dead for nearly 2000 years. No Kingdom of God has come. Jesus was wrong and the gospels are clearly wrong. Just like the stories of the Egyptian Gods. Just like the stories of the Greek Gods. Just like the stories of the Hindu Gods.But you can have faith if you like. Faith's done a lot for people: religious wars, cult group suicides, the dark ages, the belief in witches (common. really?). Meanwhile, science cured polio and put men on the moon. Religion is a waste of time and damned dangerous (such is all dogmatism). And there's nothing special about Christianity. It just happened to win a large following and happens to be the belief with which many children are indoctrinated. Children tend to belief all sorts of things if they are indoctrinated properly, like that the leader of North Korea is a good man who cares about the people. Eventually, though, it's in the best interest of children to grow up. Wasn't it Paul who said it is time to put away childish things? Well, to any impartial observer the bible is a book of fairy tales, and fairy tales are indeed, childish things.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

FYI: Jesus is referring to the transfiguration in Mark 9, which is repeated in Matthew 16 and Luke 9 (as you said). The transfiguration occurs in Matthew 17 and Luke 9; they are both immediately after what Jesus said.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

Yep! you're absolutely right. I got the wrong verse. Sorry, been a while since I've read this stuff.I refer you instead to Mark chapter 13:Jesus describes the end of the world in detail and says that this will occur before the end of the current generation.Mark 13:30"30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."I believe this same strain is picked up in the other books of the gospels as well, but perhaps a better biblical scholar than myself, could enlighten us.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

There are many answers to this:1) Generation refers to the generation of man. http://bible.cc/mark/13-30.htm2) Generation refers to a select time period, which is about 38 years according to Deuteronomy 2:14. The destruction of Jerusalem (Luke 21:20-24) was in 70 AD, which corresponds precisely for when Christ would have said this. http://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/mark/1http://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/mark/13_28-30.htmhttp://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/mark/13_28-30.htm3_28-30.htm3) Generations is referring to a future generation of people, which will experience all of the events Christ foretold. http://involutedgenealogies.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/the-problem-with-mark-1330/4) The entire sentence is misinterpreted and it should read: "Truly I say to you, that this generation will not pass away until these things begin to take place." http://mitchblog2006.blogspot.com/2007/08/generation-of-mark-1330.htmlhttp://expositorythoughts.wordpress.com/ 2008/03/28/this-generation-in-matthew-2434/ This cite gives some answers to it.As a side note: I'm inclined to take up the aorist interpretation of the Greek (#4).
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Thanks for he links. They were informative.2. The events Jesus describes go far beyond the destruction of a templeA natural reading would suggest that Jesus is referring precisely to what it would appear he is referring.. the generation of which his audience is a part. It would appear from this link your provided, http://expositorythoughts.wordpress.com/  2008/03/28/this-generation-in-matthew-2434/ , that this is in fact the case anyway.They couldn't have just began to take place in that time period for a couple of reasons.1. because he says the event will take place in a single season. mark 18.2. because he says when you see the first signs the event is "near, right at the door" (so, the end of times was near 2000 years ago) that's a very long time especially when people of the era believed the world was only several thousand years old.And, just a general question: how many 1000s of years are going to have to pass before people realize that this shit simply isn't going to happen?Just because obvious inaccuracies can be explained if you try really, really hard does not mean the explanations are good ones. If you take what Jesus said at face value, then quite frankly, Jesus was wrong.Of course many people are willing to believe any load of bullshit so long as it supports the preconceived truth they have already decided on. The hard truth is it's a fiction. A nice fiction that tells us we're special and panders to the unfaltering ego of man, no different from a thousand similar fictions cultures around the globe fixated on before we discovered science and reason. These fictions are simply relics of a stupider age (age... not generation. When I speak, I intend for MY meaning to be clear).
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

Of course, my friend, it would make no sense if you took it at face value! He spoke in parables and He spoke of things that people could not comprehend (the things of Heaven). However, when you examine it and allow scripture to interpret Scripture then you find yourself holding all of the answers.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Except in this particular passage, he is not speaking in parables. He is being very direct about what will happen at the end of days and when this will happen. Plain truth. He was wrong.IN the face of such obvious factual inaccuracies, to continuing insisting that the bible is infallible requires throwing logic and reason away and instead indulging ourselves in a fantasy reality. Such fantasies are rightly considered psychological disorders and should be treated as such.And what does let 'scripture interpret scripture' mean. To me that seems to equate to let's let the truth be what we want it to be. Of course I'll have all the answers if I allow myself to make them up willy nilly. Unfortunately, objective truth could care less about how much you delude yourself.IF YOU APPLY the rules of reason and evidence to the bible, the stories are foolish on their face. If you say you have done this and found another conclusion other than the bible is plain old fashioned superstition, you are either ignorant of how human reason works, willfully blinding yourself to the obvious truth, or an idiot.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

He said that the birth pangs will begin during the generation that was hearing Him. The Greek uses an aorist form of the word, which signifies the beginning of something.Scripture interpreting Scripture is using Bible references from one point to determine what another point is saying.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

Thank you for your comments.It is interesting that you assume that the Kingdom of God coming with power did not come about during the lifetime of the apostles. If we think that this phrase means something like the end of this age or the new creation or the general resurrection, then clearly this hasn't happened yet, and as you say, Jesus' statement would hve been clearly falsified.However there are a number of statements in the Gospels that theologians refer to as 'Realised Eschatology', which regard the Kingdom of God as a present reality, expressed in the person and ministry of Jesus. In Luke's Gospel, for example, Jesus says explicitly that the 'Kingdom of God is within you' - i.e. as a present reality.I personally think that the context of Jesus promising that some disciples would not taste death until they saw the kingdom coming with power, points most comfortably to the Transfiguration narrative which follows.If the early church really interpreted Jesus comments as literally as you imply, it seems bizarre that these comments were not redacted out of the Gospels. The fact that they were retained indicates to me that Jesus was not talking straightforwardly about the second coming.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

No cause people are dying and you could hear kids crying where's your god he is evil never helps the people shame on you god shame on you
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Which one?
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Logically speaking, no he does not. I keep reading people comments, and I keep seeing the same thing. "look around you, its obvious" blah blah blah. The truth is that there is no creative design. The earth is just the most habitable location for life to thrive. Think about the number of non-habitable planet that exist in our universe. There are alot. This planet is one of few that can support life. So the earth wasn't created so we can live on it, we were created because we can live on the earth.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

you said "WE WERE CREATED BECAUSE WE CAN LIVE ON THE EARTH"Which means yes there is God who created us to live on this earth.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

No that isn't what that means. Not in any way sir. Read my entire answer not just the part you can use to dispute. Besides "WE WERE CREATED BECAUSE WE CAN LIVE ON THE EARTH" does not mean "there is God who created us to live on this earth". It means that the earth has the perfect temperature, available food and water sources and atmosphere to support life. That is why we are here.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

But who sended us here?There is God who sended us here...Or we autometically created?
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Your illiteracy really shines like a halo :D  .
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

Well no one sent us here. We are here because the earth environment supports our human life. More specifically, human life is able to survive the earths environment. We are here because the earths conditions were ideal enough to allow life to evolve into the beings we are today.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

My Qus is still unanswered .How we came here?how we were created?Were we created automatically?Or earth environment created us?
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

I did answer your question. But if you need me to further explain it I will. The earth environment created us. We didn't "come here". We evolved into the beings we are today.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

I love this argument from ignorance ... I don't know how stuff works therefore it's magic!
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

This is really dumb.When refering to God, it's like you only imagine it to be the Judeo-Christian God.That I feel, is illogical . It's like the brutal arrogancy and hypocritical sense is coming out of Christians like a powerful stinch.What about all of the other religions that have monotheistic beliefs?!? What happened to them? What about all the other laws in their books? Don't think that just because something is recorded on a book, means it's true. Might as well call, Harry Potter the son of the God of Wizardry and how his friends are his followers. That might as well brainwash you into following me.Anyway, this God "mumbo-jumbo" is a bunch of trash.All the other religions have contradicting beliefs... so how would you know which one was true?And don't give me some dumb garbage like faith or something like that...I would like a logical answer.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

No, the only true gods are the Omnessiah, and Khorne. The Omnessiah is the all powerful machine god, and Khorne is the blood god. Worship them you foolish mortals. =3
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

For god to exist we must have a clear definition of god. It/He/She must be scientifically testable not an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Till now we never had any proof that god exists. Every suggested proof has a natural explaination. Therefore it is highly improbable that god exists.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

NO F'ING GOD THAT YOU GO TO church TO WORSHIP BUT THE GOD I LOVE IS HERE AND REAL THE GOD OF MONEY , POWER AND HATE . HAHAHAHAHAHAHA .
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

That god is SATAN! He's the fraud! He's the one deceiving you! I'll leave you this, BELIEVE, TRUST, GOD.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

I'LL STAY WITH THE GOD I LOVE AND THAT GIVES ME WHAT I CRAVE AND DESIRE AND NOT SOME PHONEY god THAT YOU WORSHIP .
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

MY GOD THAT I LOVE WORSHIP AND ADORE IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND AWESOME LOVING NOTHING BUT MONEY AND POWER AND YOUR SO CALLED god MAKES ME SICK AND NOT WORTHY OF ANYTHING .
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

lol money and power makes you worthy? its funny because i doubt if there is a God that he needs money, and as for power? hes clearly already got that. I actually hope your kidding because thats kind of disgusting that you think like that, and what a sad sad life you must have.
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God doesn't exists

I AM HAVING A REAL GOOD TIME SO GO AND READ YOUR holy book and worship your nothing god .
Debate: Does God exists?
Side: God exists

Its funny cause I dont read the bible and Im not very religious at all. And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, doesnt make a difference to me. you just sound really silly thats all.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tuned and the laws of thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Just to confirm, you are arguing that because the universe is so great, it must have been created?In that case, could you please explain the pain and suffering and sadness that humans go through every day? The struggle for life and wellness and recreation that every single living organism must go through their entire life? The simple fact that life needs certain things to survive, the imperfect nature of that fact, that God could create life that does not need the universe to be as it is to survive?Life has adapted to its surroundings, giving the impression that our surroundings are perfect for life. Do you really think that things could not be better? That things are truly perfect? That our existence is nothing more than a minuscule probability, caused to be likely due to the simple immeasurable vastness and magnitude of space and existence?There are many arguments which support an intelligent designer. But there are many more which do not. You should not ignore either side.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

God didn't make the world so it can be perfect- or else we would all be robots. We all have our ups and downs for a reason. If bad things didn't happen to us, then we couldn't fully appreciate the bad things in life. Then we would just be living a world of boring monotony. What kind of life would that be living? That's not a life! The world is colorful and that's what makes us all so fun to be around. If God made life perfect, then what would be the point of life?Nathaniel Hawthorne had a Puritan upbringing but unconverted because he did not like some aspects that his ex-religion had developed into. However, you can see themes of the effects of reaching enlightenment or perfection in several of his works. Basically what his message is saying is that once we achieve this level of perfection, there is no need for us to be living anymore. In this sense, God has put thought into carefully making such an array of beings- the vast amount of things and stuff he has created.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Your idea of an imperfect world is only about perspective. You and I think it is imperfect, but a child new to the world might say it is perfect. Different perspectives doesn't mean that there is a point in life, or meaning, or a purpose. It's just life. There is no point, it is all about what you want to do with the time you have.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

So, God allowed the Holocaust to happen so that you could appreciate your kid being born or so that your daughter can appreciate a rainbow? a) that's just disgusting b) YOU DONT KNOW WHATS IN HIS HEAD iF HE DID EXISTWhere is the humility? Where is the "I don't know what he was thinking there". Oh no. Everyone has an answer. Everyone has insight into the "greatest mind that will ever be".Think about this.. Our closest DNA relative is a large primate, the chimp. We are about 1-5% difference (depends on who you ask but just pick a number) from these guys. No monkey is going to compose a symphony or invent calculus. A monkey could never have any real or valuable insight into us. Seriously. Now imagine a God (who I'm sure you'd be happy to describe for us) who is beyond measure smarter than us. NOW try to picture your insight. Also, imagine you giving a damn about an insect crawling out of the ground. Now imagine God giving a damn about us if he did exist. But of course, we're here for the ant. And God is here for us?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Isn't that the plan though - perfection among Gods creation - wasn't this perfection the 'Garden'- isn't that the promise of heaven
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

I'll explain the sadness and suffering: sin. Yes, it is that simple. Sin. God created a perfect world where men and women (at the time just Adam and Eve) could live with God in paradise. However, Adam and Eve disobeyed his only command and sin entered the world. Sin caused pain, suffering, sickness and tears. The world WOULD be perfect if it wasn't for the sin of us humans.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

If God is powerful enough to create the entire universe, would not he be powerful enough to remove sin from the world?
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

When God made us, he gave us free will. This free will can be used to make good or bad choices. By removing sin completely, God is removing our free will to do as we chose. So to answer your question, yes, God does have the power to remove sin from the world, but that doesn't mean He is going to. God commands us to make the right choice, but that doesn't mean that we will. Sin plagues our world but there is a way to conquer it. God sent His Son to die on the cross for us to save us from our sin.John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"As long as you believe from your heart that God is who He says He is, and that He died on the cross for you, me, and everyone else on this earth, then you will be saved from your sin. You will also live in heaven for eternity in with God, as the verse states: "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

Except there is no such thing as God, nobody created us because we evolved, and free will is an illusion born of the completely stupid idea that we are lucky enough to live in the only moment which can be changed out of the last 14.5 billion years. Apart from those small problems your theory is fine.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

That isnt my argument.
Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Atheism

The thing is that on a universal scale these things are considered to be miniscule. Things happen to planets that we are glad dont happen to us. I know earth life isnt perfect but if it was what would it even look like?