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Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

The U.S. was founded on religion!"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means the government can not favor one religion over an other but it can favor "religion" God is universal, if it said on nation under Jesus that would be an argument, it doesn't.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

What if my religion's god's name is "Flying Spaghetti Monster," And "god" means the devil? Are you saying America is one nation under the devil?Why do you hate America so much USPS? I'm adding you to America's enemy list. Expect unwarranted wire tapping you commy ;)
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

"What if" great debating point!"what if" you are an hermaphrodite and can only find pleasure in your self.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

Well I would save a butt load of money not buying chicks drinks at the bar. I have no idea how that is relevant to this debate though.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

A sense of Humor?????????who is this and what have you done with iamdavidh
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

This is true. There is and should be a separation of church and state. But you misunderstand it's meaning. The Constitution defines this separation as prohibiting the government from passing any laws about how people believe or don't believe and any practices thereof. It does NOT however, prohibit references to God in government associated documents or pledges.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

OMG. you can not be serious. it is among one of the most important maxims. please tell me you were kidding. text hides sarcasm.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

Of course.Why can't one pledge their allegiance to their country without also pledging it to some mythical creature?I personally find those who insist upon vocally pledging anything to anything to be the least informed on what they are pledging to, as demonstrated by the other side of this debate.Like it or not, and the revisionists aside, this country was founded under the idea that government and religion should always remain separate. While many founders held some belief in some Christian type god, many were also deists. In fact one of the most instrumental founders, Thomas Jefferson was very vocal about his anti-clerical views, and even wrote the "Jefferson Bible" in which he simply took a Bible and cut out all of the stuff about Jesus.Regardless of their personal views on religion though, it is pretty evident they never would have approved the Pledge of Allegiance as it stands.And I saw a couple of links above to some bogus sources that purposefully mis-define words like deism to fit their religious views (in other words, revisionist history)Here is a solid source for what the US forefathers really thought of religion. linkYou have to keep in mind it was a different time. Today one cannot disbelieve the Bible and at the same time go to church and be friendly because zealotry is rampant right now. I mean even on this site it is nearly impossible, with the exception of literally one semi-theistic person I've had a debate with, to get a religious person to make any sense on their view for even an instant.Back then though, one could question god without the foaming at the mouth and righteous indignation found today. Hence, a person like Washington who was never baptized, never confirmed, never "found jesus" etc. could still go to a church for the lessons taught there about sharing and being nice and whatnot.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

Wait, I'm not done.Here are some direct quotes from some of our founding fathers, for those who insist the likes of Jefferson and Paine would want anything to do with this religious born-again zealotry now mandatory from our political leaders, otherwise the Christian horde would have their necks:Thomas Jefferson:"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.""The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.Thomas Paine:"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).""Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).""It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.""Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance." And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

It's maddening how the religions right has hijacked both the Bible, and now this country's founders.None evoke the name of the founders more than the Palins of the world, yet no where in any political party in this country will you find less in common with the founders."Real America" as the religious right likes to arrogantly and blindly call itself, never in a million years would have elected any one of our first 20 or so presidents.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

Thomas Jefferson wrote in a private letter, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." sounds like a man who truly believes in God, maybe not the bible but thats not the question.As for Thomas Paine's Quote it sounds like he believes! just not in the new testament.George Washington said in his first inaugural address; Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow-citizens at large less than either.Thomas Jefferson again said in his inaugural address, enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence.And conclude with "And may that Infinite Power which rules the destinies of the universe lead our councils to what is best, and give them a favorable issue for your peace and prosperity." sounds like he believed as well!as for your last statement I don't think the Democrat party would have voted for our currant president, in say 1869, the 15 Amendment was passed by "Real America".
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

did you even go to the link I provided.Your entire argument highlights your misunderstanding of what terms meant in that era.Like I said kind of, one at that time could evoke the name of god and not believe in the Christian god.How anyone earth can you claim that Thomas Jefferson would have wanted anything to do with the Jesus nuts trying to turn this into a Christian nation, when he wrote his own version of the Bible in which he removed everything about Jesus is a mystery.As for Thomas Paine, what are you talking about? He disliked Christianity even more than me if that is even possible.It is truly ridiculous and a sign of the deep psychosis Christians suffer from that everyone but apparently Christians can see so obviously.The fact is based on real things that they really wrote, and not what right wing sites made up, there is no way the signers or any of our founding documents would have called this a Christian nation.Today, "under god" is used like a stick by the Christians to beat down the rest of America that doesn't believe the silly ass superstition. There was a time when you could say god, or "great spirit," and it was not specific to anything.Christians hijack everything though in order to validate their dilusions. So Washington says one or two times "god" and every Christian is like "see we're a christian state! burn the witches!"Meanwhile the real Washington never took a communion, and only went to church "socially" and for lessons and such as I mentioned. plus there is the quotes I providedI'll tell you what, you somehow end the Christian freakin' jihad, get Christians to stop crying everytime someone doesn't want tax payer money to be spent on a freakin crucifix in a courthouse, get them to stop with the lame "war on christmas" which is nothing but a figment of their fevered imagination,then I'll stop dumping on the silly religion.till then, I'll continue to point out how ridiculous it is and how silly it is to have anything about god in a pledge of allegience.To be honest, I wouldn't care about god in the pledge if Christians weren't so damn clueless, illogical, and insistant that everyone else drink the koolaid.As to your last paragraph, the Democratic Party did not exist as it is today. I know how much the right wing loves to use that example, but afraid much like the idea that the founders were a bunch of born again Christians, is a myth.You see, back then Republicans were the North and Democrats the South. They switched issues. Unless you think there was a mass simultanuous migration and immigration both directions simultaneously, the Democratic Party of yore was the father of the current Republican Party, and vice versa.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

I think our communication problem is when you hear "God" you think Jesus and you assume I'm a Christian and you think the "Christians hijack everything though in order to validate their dilusions" As for "There was a time when you could say god, or "great spirit," and it was not specific to anything" you are correct it meant the local Bartender. Washington and I do have something in common, we don't take Communion.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

Well that's all well and good. But it is for the most part the Jesus people who try to claim we're a Christian nation,and it is also the Jesus people spreading misinformation about the forefathers.Regardless of the which flavor Koolaid you happen to be drinking,The fact is most of the founders of the US either didn't drink Koolaid, or at the very least didnt' want to force others to drink Koolaid.Great, you don't take Communion and you had that in common with George Washington. But George Washington occassionally visited churches where nearly everyone else did, and in the words of one of the other founding fathers of the time his not taking communion was "conspicuous"That he didn't take communion was not to highlight he didn't believe in Jesus, which he didn't,it was to highlight that he was not at church for any religious reason at all.As stated, he went socially, and for the lessons taught as far as the best sources and his own words tell us.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

The Debate is "Under God" not under Jesus, try to stay focused! Washington believed in a "supreme being" or the "Grand Artificer of the Universe" God if you will!
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

None of which in any way addresses the fact that the argument that the forefathers would have wanted the pledge to contain an allegience to god is just wrong.You stay focused."Under God" should not be in the pledge because Church and State should be separate.There, focus on that last sentence.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

"Under God" should not be in the pledge because Church and State should be separate.the separation of church and state is from the Federalist papers not the constitution. the constitution says freedom of religion not freedom from religion. If you don't like it don't say it.....I don't like abortion so I will not have one, but I will not prevent you from having one........even?
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

Hey, that's actually a good compromise. I don't even really care about the pledge... I don't have a uterus though.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

some time the best course in a debate is compromise!..............
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: Freedom from religion

The Pledge was originally totally secular. It was altered in the 1950's at the urging of religious groups to show that, unlike Communist Russia, we were "under God".However, as a people, we have the right of religious freedom, but also freedom from religion. Religious views should have nothing to do with an expression of appreciation for a country in which we have this freedom.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

The freedom of religion as described in the U.S. Constitution NEVER says that things associated with the U.S. can't have any references to God. It only states that the government cannot make laws regarding how people believe or don't believe. Making references to god does not qualify as lawmaking.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

The Congress added "under god" to the pledge. They did so by enacting legislation [1] which was signed into law by President Eisenhower. That most certainly qualifies as law making.The 1954 House Report of the legislators who inserted the "under God" phrase into the pledge of allegiance said that the "under God" phrase was to "acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon the moral directions of the Creator."That sounds like a law about what we are to believe."I have a right to bring up my daughter without God being imposed into her life by her schoolteachers." Christians would not be very glad "if the atheists were in the majority and if the atheists inserted into the pledge of allegiance the phrase 'one nation under NO God.'"So says the atheist who's case was heard by the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, they made no ruling about the constitutionality of the Pledge, only ruling that the man had no standing to bring the case to court.[1] http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Public_Law_83-396
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

"The Congress added "under god" to the pledge. They did so by enacting legislation [1] which was signed into law by President Eisenhower. That most certainly qualifies as law making."This is a law, however, it was never made to ENFORCE ANY RELIGION whatsoever."The 1954 House Report of the legislators who inserted the "under God" phrase into the pledge of allegiance said that the "under God" phrase was to "acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon the moral directions of the Creator.""This is true, however, There is no place in this law that enforces any religion. It may emphasize it, but it does not demand you to follow it. If you don't believe it then DON"T SAY IT!
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

A parent has the right to teach his or her children their ethical beliefs and their understanding of religion. Atheists have no awareness of the existence of God; some actively deny the existence of any deity. As an atheist parent has said about the Pledge of Allegiance, "Every day at school, my child is asked to say that her father is a liar."Imagine you are a child who is forced to make the choice to recite Pledge of Allegiance or be belittled, harassed, insulted, and assaulted.Imagine that you are a Jewish student. You are asked to reciting a pledge that an Atheist -- a person who has no belief in the existence of a God -- wrote: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, without God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."Imagine that you are a Christian, and you were forced to read a pledge written by an Wiccan -- a person who follows an earth-centered religion, and believes in the existence of a God and a Goddess: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under the God and Goddess, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.""That is the situation today for millions of Americans who do not believe they are 'under' God. Some find God within their own hearts. Others believe they are part of -- not under -- a sacred universe. Still others do not believe in God at all. Yet every day the religious beliefs of these patriotic Americans are violated by our government in schools, in public meetings...anywhere the Pledge Of Allegiance is led and spoken."
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

always a fan of shoe on the other foot diplomacynice
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

At Republican2:The concept of god is religious, and congress shall make no law respecting such an establishment, or prohibiting it. You completely miss the point anyway, separation of church and state was to prevent religious in-fighting. How would YOU feel if our nation's motto was "In Allah we trust" or the pledge was "one nation, under Allah, indivisible" etc.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

True there is religious implication in it, but it does not demand you to believe in God. THAT is the point that I think YOU are missing. If it said in Allah we trust, I simply wouldn't say it. The law putting god in the pledge does not force you to be religious.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

True there is religious implication in it, but it does not demand you to believe in God. THAT is the point that I think YOU are missing. If it said in Allah we trust, I simply wouldn't say it. The law putting god in the pledge does not force you to be religious.You already made your rebuttal when you said True there is religious implication in it because our government forbids public institutions (those institutions which are government funded) from receiving government support if they are religious. It's as simple as that.If you can't understand that a religious endorsement is the same as a political endorsement, then you need to study history, especially pre-renaissance Europe. You keep wanting to support movements which are the thin edge of a theocratic wedge, because those movements presently serve your interests. You aren't able to appreciate that a free society demands responsibility on your part, a commitment to not entangle religion and politics, and a watchful eye against those groups who claim to be your friends but are using you to establish power.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

Why should it be taken out? Look at George Washington and Abraham lincoln. They are one of the greatest people in American history yet both of them were Christian. "One nation Under God" will make our nation great.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

pretty sure our nation was great before 1954 when it was put in...
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

><; Here we go again.George Washington was not Christian. George Washington was a Deist. This is all well documented and I provide several links above.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

I'll try the shoe on the other foot argument:once a majority of people in the US are agnostic or atheist - will this be an "agnostic nation"?should we make the pledge - one nation under NO god... and then have school teachers lead all kids in saying that pledge but you can stay seated if you are that minority of kids that still believes in the invisible man?
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

Then that will just validate their "Christians are discrimaneted against" bs theory and we'd have them strapping bomb to themselves in the name of Allah... or I mean god, whatever.Talking sense to the religious about religion is like trying train fish to... I don't know where I'm going with that, but you get the point.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

"Christians are discrimaneted against" Well we kinda are. In the Capital building of texas, the statue of the 10 commandments was removed because it offended someone when they walked in. But no one makes a islamic woman take of her head dress in public. Also in school, christian students can be arrested for having a bible in class, but no islamic people are arrested for head wraps or indian people for wearing the jewel on their forehead. Maybe some christians find that offensive.....
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

This is the difference between individual freedom and governmental. The Constitutions first amendment is meant to protect the people from governmental attacks on religion, speech, and press. The actions of individuals on other individuals is not outlined by the through religious law. Your ideology about an Islamic individual with a hijab can be equated to a Christian with a cross. Now, the Capital building in Texas should not be affiliated with any religion. It would be equally horrid to have it supported by the five pillars of Islam in comparison to the 10 Commandments.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: yes

An Islamic headress doesn't have "thou shall have no gods above me" written on it, and the woman's headress isn't paid for by tax dollars.And again with this Christian victimization bs. Please read my replies to JesusFreak. Christians have virtually all of the power in this country. All but about 30 (exact numbers on the other side) of our nearly 500 lawmakers are Christian. We have 0 atheist representatives. And I've looked but have not found a single case of a Christian being arrested for having a Bible. There is either more to that story, like the student was yelling "god hates fags" and happened to have a Bible, or I believe you are making it up.
Debate: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge?
Side: No

It happened in a school near the Dallas-Metroplex area( less than 150 mi from my high school). The teacher asked him times to put it away and the boy left it sitting on his desk. She said that it was offending other classmates and herself, but he still refused. So she took the bible threw it into the trash and escorted him to the office and it escalated from there. Our bible study teacher (classes before school) is the one who read it from a local news channel, then he reported his findings to us