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Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

If you tell them about god when they are a kid, and teach them about spirituality, then you are not really forcing them to believe in anything, you are teaching them what you know, and as long as you dont try to scare them into staying with your beliefs.If you use fear in your teachings, that is psychologically damaging.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

What about teaching about hell?
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

Its the same thing as teaching kids they will go meet "bubba" in prison if they dont do what someone else tells them to do.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

Just because I ask a question doesn't mean I am trying to be mean. You can answer the question instead of demonstrating that religion is bad for children. How is the fear of jail not used as a way to scare kids? I thought we were supposed to only use the nice parts of religion.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

i am saying the opposite of what you said i said, i never said using hell wasn't necessary, just from my experiences, that side of religion is very alive and very real, negative forces are at work all around us whether they be in the form of greed or actual possession, ive never sen possession, but i believe it is possibleThat shit is no joke, thats why the bible warns against going to psychics or other people for spiritual advice, which i have a hard time following and paying attention to, but yes if you are not prepared to enter the spirit world then you will get fucked mentally.I have only seen one physical demon, completely sober, in my life and that was a very strange experience. So i dont think how you would find it reasonable to leave that part out of religion, thats one of the most important parts to explain....
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

If you use fear in your teachings, that is psychologically damaging. that is what all religions stands on, scarying people by promising infinite pain forever if they do not donate to the church...
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

What about teaching about the fear of going to prison?You smoke a little plant, you go to jail.Thats fear mongering, thats threatening my personal freedoms, my personal decisions as a conscious organism. How is that any different than teaching about hell?And just assume hell exists for this debate so we dont get into a pointless debate.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

That is teaching about consequences break a law go = to prison... real world real scenario... because it is important to know how to live in our societyTeaching children if it is not going to eat symbolical flesh of long dead homeless guy then it will endup in eternal fire in la la land, is just fucked up.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Dude, you have no clue what you're talking about, there is a very real spiritual side to life, and tampering with it IS dangerous for your psyche.Yes, teaching children that they have to eat the bread and drink the wine is messed up, but there is no way a child can grasp the meaning of what that is, at least not in western society.Stop mixing me in with your general view of religion, I am against organized religin its the work of the devil, even jesus himself stated that but for some reason noone has listened to that part of what he said.So, i am probably on your side, i just have a religious nature to me, and religion can be used as a word in different ways, i am talking about believing in god and having a set f beliefs with it.Does that mean i suck up to god or am going to force what i believe onto my children?No, ill talk to them, about the possibilities of what could happen when we die, but i will never force anything on them.Not everyone that believes in god is a nut job buddy, you need to stop making rash conclusions, its very annoying.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

Yes, teaching children that they have to eat the bread and drink the wine is messed up, but there is no way a child can grasp the meaning of what that is, at least not in western society.Wine suppose to represent Jesus blood and bread his flesh, so the ritual of drinking wine and eating bread is a symbolic cannibalism and I think that it is sick to teach kids to do that.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

and also to answer your dispute, what is wrong with the basic premise that if your life is filled with anger, hatred, greed, and fear, that your afterlife will be filled with the same things? And vice versa, if you live a life full of joy and happiness and altruism, then your afterlife will mirror the same thing.Obviously there is no proof of this, but why do alot of scientists believe in god? Why would atheists all of a sudden change their views to believe in god after having a crisis in their personal life?Thats all religion is for: YOUR PERSONAL LIFE and to help you get through problems, its not meant to replace government, or become the law of the world.But it is something that helps you cope with the daily struggles of life, if you havent found it that sucks, but i have and billions of other people have.So, all youre doing is sounding like a parrot repeating what everyone else says about religion, how about think for yourself and go explore it and take from it what YOU will not what some church leader says
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Pretty sure you just implicated religion for what it is: a coping mechanism. Well done.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

The problem is that the vast majority of religious parents/guardians do not simply teach their children that god is an idea that could exist, but that god is an absolute and incontrovertible truth. This view is imparted by the parent/guardian with a false air of legitimacy that abuses the trust and vulnerability of the child. The scare tactics practically innate to all religion are just an exacerbation of what is already damaging to the emotional and cognitive maturation of the child.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

I know, i have a best friend whose parents were not as bad as THAT, but he was pretty indoctrinated it tookk me years to open up his mind lol, well he opened it up of his own accord but i think i helped him...But yeah, its terrible i hate that.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Child Abuse: "(1) Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation. (2) An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm. (The Federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, 42 U.S.C.A. § 5106g)Force: "Violence, compulsion, or constraint exerted upon or against a person or thing." (Source)Forcing a child to practice a religion implicates the act as one of coercion against the will of the child. This alone can be emotionally damaging, but is further compounded by the retardation that religion causes in emotional and cognitive development. Religion exists and is perpetuated as a consequence of emotional insecurity, and actively works against critical thought and emotional maturation. Further, this indoctrination is rarely done out of genuine interest in the welfare of the child but is a projection of the emotional insecurities of the parent(s)/guardian(s) onto the child and at the expense of the child.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

I don't know USA law but I'd imagine that for the parents to be culpable the court would have to determine causality between the parents act and the harm. Part of this is would surely be reasonable (or actual) foreseeability. What a reasonably prudent parent have foreseen harm (perhaps the criteria would 'serious harm' ) caused by teaching the child religion? I think the answer would be no.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Causality would need to be demonstrated (which I believe it can be) but to my understanding based upon the federal code cited above the reasonable foreseeability standard is not at issue in the United States. Such a standard though seems curious to me in light of the innate ambiguity it holds. While I can appreciate the intent to protect parents from being penalized for unforeseeable harms done to children, to attach the standard of foreseeability to the reasoning capacity of the average parent/person seems imprudent to me.All of that being said, it is exceptionally unlikely that any court would ever rule against parents for teaching their children religion. The First Amendment to the Constitution secures freedom of religion, which people interpret quite generously and defend quite passionately in this country.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Yes since being in a religion should be voluntary and being done out of passion for the movement. Being forced however to follow something you don`t even believe is torture in an intellectual sense.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Yes ur child should be able to belive and act as they want, its there life and its there choice
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

Yet another extreme oversimplification argument from the left. If everyone just left it up to their child how to act how do you think children would behave overall? Would they go to school? Would they ever learn anything? Would they ever learn to be respectful or communicate properly?
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Forcing a child to have a certain religeon is take away their freedom of though. It's like forcing a child to believe that the moon is made of cheese.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Now this is an interesting topic.Personally, if I'd ever been born into a religious family, and christened (etc), I'd have been very annoyed. I believe that people should be free to make a choice, on whether to follow a religion (and if so, what one they wish to be a part of) or not. In no respect is it okay to force beliefs upon someone.Christening a baby is not an acceptable act - you are condemning that child to a life of following a religion, that they've had no say it. If they want to take on a religion, fair enough, but forcing it upon them is never okay. That is not the freedom that humans deserve.Whether it is child abuse, is difficult to say - making a child be a certain religion is unlikely to harm them, in any way than, perhaps, educationally (e.g. in Science).
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

This comes to be the Major problem that a child is having from his/her background. Because, However, A child is willing to practice what is aiming to do and parent now be the one to be confusing him/her, this is Illegal and also Formally Child Abuse to every Societies.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

This is a tuff one.. Mostly because a few religions are allot like ethnic back grounds. A Muslim is born "Muslim" a Jewish is born Jewish. In today's America most children are not born into a certain religious belief. All I have to go from is my own experience.When I was a teen I met a guy who was a non practicing Jehovah Witness, while he still carried the teachings he was raised with he did not attend "meetings" and sinned against the teachings everyday. We later had two child and had been married. The marriage did not last for reasons outside of the JW factor. And ever since I have raised my kids to explore god and his teachings on there own free will. I have allowed them my oldest is now 15 to gain his own since of what is right for him. He has made wise choices, last year he was baptized and confirmed and I was so happy for him. He did this all on his own. His choice not mine. I never grew up in a strict religious house hold, so I didn't feel that my kids should either. But back to Muslims and Jewish people, this is like I said something the kids are born into. And until they are older and can reflect on the teachings on there own, I don't see any problem with passing down this tradition and beliefs that they have. Unless it is harmful to the child. I feel that JW's and Mormons are a type of cult, and there fore I would never ever introduce this to my kids. Just as I wouldn't introduce them to any other religious belief. But as for it being child abuse because the parents take them to church of there choosing and raise there kids in such church.. No I don't think it is. It could become abuse if this religious view hurts or damages the children in ways that we would describe as a cult. Where sexual and or physical and mental abuse took place. So I guess I would have to say no, that most of the time this is not abuse, it is raising a family in the light of faith. That has been done for many many years and generations before.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

Yes if you belive somthing why should they. They are not you they can have their own opinions. How would you feel if your parents were for example Jewish and you belive in christianity and they forced you to belive in somthing you don't. Be cannot be forced they are created by yourself trying out different things and figuring out from there what you like andto belive in
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

So is raping them.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

You do not own your children. Children are their own people, many of whom can think for themselves. Let them decide things for themselves.Freedom of Religion is a human right and just because they are you Children doesn't mean you can take that right away from them.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

I like the way you phrase "own". Instead I shall use ownership or custody since I don't really prefer to use "own". How do I not have ownership of my child? It is my creation. Even then why can I not teach my child my religion if my religion tells me too? What harm is done? Shall the child quiver in fear and suffer psychological trauma?
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: Yes

How do I not have ownership of my child? It is my creation.Any parent exerts influence over their children, but it is an absolute fact that the child does operate as its own autonomous entity (particularly as it grows older). There is only so much that a parent can do to regulate their child, and eventually most children will assert themselves as autonomous adults in their own right.You may argue that you have a natural or legal right as a parent to indoctrinate your child, and perhaps you do, but this does not actually change the abusive nature of that indoctrination.Even then why can I not teach my child my religion if my religion tells me too? What harm is done? Shall the child quiver in fear and suffer psychological trauma?The harm is to the emotional and cognitive development and maturation of the child. Religion teaches an absolute and incontrovertible truth, which conditions a child to close their mind to alternative perspectives and possibilities. Religion is also founded upon the emotional insecurities of people, and a child who learns to lean on the emotional crutch of religion is unlikely ever to learn to walk on their own (i.e. they will struggle far more to confront and resolve their emotional insecurities, instead turning to superficial religious explanations).In some cases where religion is forcefully imposed upon a child, against the wishes and interests of the child, the harm can be even greater. The threat of being cut out of the family or physically harmed for not conforming to religious views of the parent/guardian is very real for too many children. Arguably, though, this falls within the prerogative of the parent if they do in fact have ownership of the child.
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

but this does not actually change the abusive nature of that indoctrination.Please state what "abuse" has been placed onto the child? Do define this beyond my expectation. Religion teaches an absolute and incontrovertible truth, which conditions a child to close their mind to alternative perspectives and possibilities.What is the harm in teaching them this? I also doubt the child will become close minded. I tend to find both Atheists and Theists hold a belief preservation bias towards their own enigmas. I'd like to see you provide some evidence for your claim and then show me how this applies to all children who are taught a religion. Religion is also founded upon the emotional insecurities of people, and a child who learns to lean on the emotional crutch of religion is unlikely ever to learn to walk on their own (i.e. they will struggle far more to confront and resolve their emotional insecurities, instead turning to superficial religious explanations).Oh, okay. An emotional crutch you say? So is it not okay for a child to pray to receive and A on his test and also put in effort to score that high? Is it improper for a child to pray to see a lost one in heaven once more? Is it improper to have a child pray to see their lost father again after he has given his life for his country? No. In fact I would say that these are very sweet things to pray and believe in. Unless you wish to tell your child that your father was a simple being and is no longer in existence and you will never see him again since his consciousness has drifted away and has ceased to exist. I would define that as mental abuse. I love the way you say "unlikely" since you must be aware that your statement may be false. If a child is raised on a true Christian doctrine he will walk as a confident man who will work hard in life and hope to receive eternal life. If I am incorrect do prove your statement to be correct. Show me a statistic that supports your claim.  In some cases where religion is forcefully imposed upon a child, against the wishes and interests of the child, the harm can be even greater. I see. So basically "in some cases" is the crutch of your argument since its applicability is not general but case specific. I can give an "in some cases" bit on Atheistic homes. I can create scenarios that seems abusive. You must also realize that all people are different and some Christian homes will vary in differrent locations. There are some promiscuous Christian homes and there are some morally superior homes. Same goes for Atheists. There are some abusive homes and some incredibly peaceful homes. If a religious child can grow up and obtain a nice job and retire successfully and live a great life what abuse has been instilled?
Debate: Is forcing your child to be a certain religion, a form of child abuse?
Side: No

I already did: emotional and cognitive retardation.Poorly done. You simply wish to make things appear worse than they are. In fact I think a person could ask a child themselves and ask "Do you feel abused by your parents teaching you there religion?". Religion demands full acceptance of its tenets as a matter of faith, without and even in some cases against evidence and reason; this is closed-mindedness, clear and simple. Incredibly untrue especially since more churches are adding apologetic teachings to their ministries. That isn't close mindedness. In fact they were open minded going in. Most children barely care about church. Do you honestly think the child feels "abused"?The primary difference between you and I is that you value the subjective and I value the objective.True. I would love to debate with you on other topics as well since you argue clear and fluidly, if you wouldn't mind of course.  Rather than avoid reality we should learn (and teach our children) to live with reality as it is. The conflict and distress over reality is not innate, but a consequence of our forming the very attachments to an idealized world that religion teaches people to make (e.g. our lives have meaning, there is an afterlife, etc.). Religion creates the expectation for that which we cannot prove exists, and in some cases for which we can say probably does not exist; it sets us (and the child) up for disappointment.I shall not contest this since I completely agree. I have presented you with a logical progression of ideas that demonstrates why one might conclude my initial claims to be more probable than any other alternative. I challenge you to actually address that rationale and demonstrate where and why my reasoning itself is fallible.I disagree. I do not see how you have effectively demonstrated your progression of ideas, but I guess that depends on our preferences between subjectivity and objectivity. What I do not understand is the actual abuse. You seem to highlight the semi-agreed upon negatives of religion, but what about the positives felt by the child? How do we actually know how the child feels on the inside besides bored from sitting in church?