azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

They have wealth that has already been taxed and unrealized gains in stocks, bonds, R/E will be taxes when sold. Enough is enough already. They have paid their dues and then some.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Considering the amount paid in comparison to the amount owned, I disagree.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You want double taxation???? Will it ever end? You want what Bernie wants; 90% + tax rate???? That would be insane.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

At no point did I tell you what I wanted, I simply said that my opinions on the appropriate proportion of taxes paid disagrees with yours mainly as it relates to the amount of wealth that they own.Personally, I'd say the taxation rate should reflect the proportion of wealth owned by the given economic demographic within a given country. Though I'd also prefer a few more brackets to create a more gentle progression, since some people get truly f--ked over by making like a couple thousand dollars more.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

They are paying enough as it is. The person who earns their money is a better steward of their assets than an entity (government) that steals it from them and then squanders it.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

They are paying enough as it is.I disagree. Hence, you know, this conversation.The person who earns their money is a better steward of their assets than an entity (government) that steals it from them and then squanders it.That is, in fact, an argument in favor of running the government better.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You want gov't to run better? Vote Trump, then. I'm glad we're on the same page. Will wonders never cease.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

I said I wanted the government to run better, not into the ground.Personally, I like candidates that know how the government works, and propose policies that they actually know how to pay for.Didn't know you were into big government autocrats, though. Interesting.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Re:"I said I wanted the government to run better, not into the ground."How's the bunch in Congress and the WH now doing for you?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Poorly.So you think the answer is to elect an autocrat? How often has that worked, exactly?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

How would Trump be any more an autocrat than what's in the WH now?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

This is the second time you have attempted to defend Trump by comparing him to someone you consider to be an inexcusable autocrat.I did not vote for Obama. I do not support Obama.Trying to claim "Well, he wouldn't be worse than Obama" is saying that you think we need another person like Obama as President. I fail to understand how you could actually believe that.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

They have wealth that has already been taxed and unrealized gains in stocks, bonds, R/E will be taxes when sold.Yes, 69.8% instead of 75% has been paid.They have paid their dues and then some.Based on what? You have evidence that supports that they haven't quite paid their dues yet. Enough is enough already.Really? If you make $100 million in one year how many years of tax should that cover?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

No, the current rate is high enough. You are conflating their net worth with their income; they are two different things. Based on what? By the fact that they are paying 70% of the bill as it is.$100 million per year should pay taxes for one year, period.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

$100 million per year should pay taxes for one year, period.Why?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

If your annual income is $100 million you pay your taxes for that year; it's very simple. You're tolling.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Your wording was confusing. You made it sound like if you make money per year you should only pay during the first year and not every year you make money.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Your wording was incredibly confusing, and still is. If your annual income is $10 million, you pay your taxes for that year. If your annual income is $100 thousand, you pay your taxes for that year.I really don't understand the point you are making. Can you please elaborate?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

He thinks Democrats are suggesting that you pay taxes on money that isn't income. Money that you have already paid tax on.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

So he is trying to (in a very strangely unclear war) argue against all non-income taxes? Or just all taxes on non-direct income?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

very strangely unclear warTake it easy man, it is just a debate. Hehe. I like the typo better.He is against government spending and not against taxation. He thinks the government will spend whatever they take in, so he fights against the government taking in money. Unfortunately, he is a puppet for the rich. Somehow the Republicans have convinced their voters that fighting to lower the tax for the rich will help everyone. So, he doesn't fight to lower his own taxes.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

I find it hard to believe that he is against government spending, yet supports Trump, who, if one is to combine all past and present policy ideas espoused, is the biggest theoretical spender on both sides.And yeah, that was a strange typo on my part. I think I'll leave it.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Trump is a businessman. Businessmen know that you can't spend money unless it will make you money. The politicians he is running against think you can spend money as long as it wins votes. No one is ever able to follow through on their ideas. For Trump it is about his character and he lies in a way that makes him seem like he is telling the truth.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

But those who support him do not see his ideas as lies. They think he actually plans on building a wall along the southern border, for example, as opposed to recognizing it as a lie meant to play upon racial fears.So his methods really aren't different from theirs, it seems.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

There is no real way to know what they really think. People constantly lie, especially on camera.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

That's exactly what I'm saying. Many on here are confusing/conflating assets and income; they are 2 different things.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

It is impossible to keep 75% of the wealth if you only earn 47% of the income. Wealth is the best indicator of how much you should contribute to taxes since it doesn't involve tax loopholes and deductions.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Wealth includes assets bought/invested in with after tax dollars; you are suggesting double taxation. No thanks.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Again, I am not discussing double taxation. We are trying to determine what the fair share is. The fair share has to match your wealth since your percentage of the wealth would go down if your percentage of the income was lower than your wealth percentage. AGI is how much money you made after deductions that include interest payments on home loans and that is part of your wealth. You presented a big number to show the rich pay their fair share, but you don't have an accurate number for the big number involved with the income that would be used to determine what is fair.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Again, taxing "wealth" is taxing one's assets, assets bought with after tax dollars; it would be double taxation since your are including it in the tax equation. It's like taxing your lawn mower every year even though you paid for it with after tax dollars. Your lawn mower is a part of you wealth.What you propose would destroy capitalism since people would have to liquidate their assets to pay your version of fair share.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

For the third fucking time: I do not want to tax wealth.I proposed a system for determining if someone has paid their fair share. It can't possibly destroy capitalism. I only propose using it in a debate about what is fair.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Once again, for the umpteenth fucking time: if you include one's "wealth" as a part of the tax equation you would, in fact, be advocating double taxation.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

It isn't a part of the tax equation. I just told you that. It is a part of finding out what is fair.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Re:"It isn't a part of the tax equation. I just told you that. It is a part of finding out what is fair."You just contradicted yourself thus making my point. If you include it in finding out what is fair, you are, in effect, taxing it.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Is this what happens when you yourself get squished like a bug?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

There is reality, then there is what you think, little person. It's been a pleasure stepping on you.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You think you stepped on me? Hahahaha. I got you to admit that you want to increase taxes like we had in 1980. You were undeniably squished.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

No, I've clarified my position on that matter, squished person.Let's face it, you resent people who do well and want to show em who's boss by penalizing them.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

No, I've clarified my position on that matter, squished person.Yeah, I saw you admit that you have no idea about the taxes we pay.Let's face it, you resent people who do well and want to show em who's boss by penalizing them.I resent people who do well when they pay less than they should. I don't think it makes sense to say that if you make 75% of the money that you should get to pay 70% of the taxes just because 70 is a high number.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Once again, you are confusing income with assets; you are hopeless.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You can't read. Sad.Can we at least agree that if a group of people make 90% of the money it is fair that the pay 90% of the taxes, that it is unfair for everyone else if they pay less than 90%, and that it is unfair for them if they pay more than 90% of the taxes? (Note: I changed the numbers so you wouldn't be confused. This is a hypothetical situation only discussing income)
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Are you talking to yourself in the mirror again?Taking 90% of ones earning would be highway robbery and destroy one's incentive to earn. Fair would be everyone pays the same rate.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

No, I am not talking to myself in the mirror. You really can't read. I imagine you can't do math either. I did not say take 90% of their money. You would know that if you could read.According to everyone paying the same rate the rich are not paying their fair share because of deductions.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

No, the current rate is high enough. You are conflating their net worth with their income; they are two different things.With the way taxes are done, there is no way to get an accurate account of their income. If the people who owned 75% of the wealth only earned 70% of the income, eventually the people who owned the rest of the wealth would start chipping away at the total wealth and balance it out to the income level. Year 1: You have $75 and I have $25. You take in $70 and I take in $30Year 2: You have $145 and I have $55. You take in $70 and I take in $30Year 3: You have $215 and I have $85. You take in $70 and I take in $30Year 4: You have $285 and I have $115. You take in $70 and I take in $30Year 5: You have $355 and I have $145. You have 71% of the wealth, and I have 29% of the wealth. In 5 short years the wealth and the income nearly match.Based on what? By the fact that they are paying 70% of the bill as it is.Let's say you go to a restaurant with your friend and he ordered a bottle of $75 champagne, and you ordered a bottle of $25 wine. You drink your wine and he drinks his champagne. Do you think your friend only paying $70 of the tab is fair?$100 million per year should pay taxes for one year, period.So, why are you saying that if a rich person makes money they shouldn't be taxed every year they make money? That's what "enough is enough" means. That's what you are proposing.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You're being ridiculous. A person assets, like their home, car, savings etc. is after tax dollars; you want to retax them every year on the same thing???? That is absurd. You do understand the difference between assets and income, don't you? Of course you do. You just want to stick it to successful people so you can feel better about yourself.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

You're being ridiculous.False. I am using math.A person assets, like their home, car, savings etc. is after tax dollars; you want to retax them every year on the same thing????No, I want to tax them based on their income. With all of the deductions in tax law you can't use the adjusted gross income to learn anything about how much the person actually took in as income. My math showed that. Your wealth would normalize to your actual income.You do understand the difference between assets and income, don't you?Yes, but everything you say makes it sound like if you make enough income you don't need to pay income tax.You just want to stick it to successful people so you can feel better about yourself.You actually kind of got this right. If I make 25% of the money I would be much happier to pay 25% of the taxes instead of paying 30%. It would make me feel much better to pay my fair share instead of paying more than my fair share.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Top 50% pays 97.22% of the federal tax billBottom 50% pays 2.78%Do the top 50% need to pay more ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Does the top 50% earn more than 97.22% of the money?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Here is what Cartman said -" The top 10% of the country own 75% of the wealth, but only pay 69.8% of the federal income tax. They need to pay an extra 5.2% in order to pay their fair share."So now does the Top 50% need to pay more ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Thank you for quoting me. Next time why don't you read what I wrote and come up with an actual argument.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

The top 10% of the country own 75% of the wealth, but only pay 69.8% of the federal income tax. They need to pay an extra 5.2% in order to pay their fair share.Are the Top 50% paying their share ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

The top 50% might be. No one breaks down the top 50% by wealth, so I don't have that figure. The top 50% probably do pay their fair share because the bottom 80% of the top 50% pay more than they should. Which group are you a part of? Are you in the top 10% in this country? Or do you pay more than your fair share?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

If The top 10% of the country own 75% of the wealth, but only pay 69.8% of the federal income tax. They need to pay an extra 5.2% in order to pay their fair share.Where does the rest of the wealth come from ? Your Masters Degree should tell you !
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

The other 90% of the country. That wasn't from my Master's degree, that's from my 2nd grade learning. You are way behind in learning pal.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

10 percent own 75 percent of the wealth so who owns the other 40 percent of the wealth ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

Well, there is your problem right there. You think there is 115% wealth.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Top 50% pays 97.22% of the federal tax billSo who pays the other 40 percent if the Top 10 percent pay less than 75 percent that you think they should ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

You have incredibly poor math skills.So who pays the other 40 percent if the Top 10 percent pay less than 75 percent that you think they should ?So, you want the top 10% to pay more than they currently are?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You said what ? The top 10% of the country own 75% of the wealth, but only pay 69.8% of the federal income tax. They need to pay an extra 5.2% in order to pay their fair share.So your response to your statement is what ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

My response to my own statement is: That's a good point Cartman. You have shown that even though the rich pay a lot in taxes they aren't actually paying their fair share.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

Top 50% pays 97.22% of the federal tax bill ! If 10 percent pay less than 75 percent of the federal tax bill whom pays the rest ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

If 10 percent pay less than 75%, the rest is paid by the other 90 percent. Percentages add up to 100% to make up the whole.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

You said 69.8 percent taxes were paid by the Top 10 percent so who pays the rest of those taxes ? Surely your Masters Degree can kick in !
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

I just told you. I literally just told you. It is the other 90%. That's not master's degree territory, that's 2nd grade. You are years of education behind.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

50 percent pay 97.72 10 percent pay 69.8 percent so tell where the other 40 percent comes from ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

What 40%?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: The rich are being soaked!

50 percent pay 97.72 percent of federal taxes. 10 percent pay 69.8 percent of federal taxes. So who pays the 40 percent of federal taxes and what is the percentage of that 40 percent ?
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

There are 100% of federal taxes. If you want to know about 40% of taxes that must mean you know about 60% of the taxes. 69.8 and 97.72 are not 60. Your question indicates that you think there is 109.8% of federal tax or 137.72% of federal tax.
Debate: The Wealthy Don't Pay Their Fair Share? Au Contraire
Side: More, they should pay more!

It looks like 1980 had the numbers you are going to see. Would you rather have the tax rate of 1980?