azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

There are people who grew up in poor conditions and became criminals. And there are people who grew up in poor conditions and became great people the difference is self control and decisions.I never argued that poverty was a sole determinant of criminality, and your implication to that effect is a gross misrepresentation of my argument. Poverty is a single environmental stimuli that interacts with countless other environmental stimuli as well as individual, biological predispositions. No single variable acts in isolation, so naturally not all who grow up in poverty will become criminal. This falls entirely within the parameters of my analysis.You are ultimately responsible for your actions not your parents or grand parents you and only you.I was in no way displacing blame onto the aforementioned parties. The predecessors are no more responsible than the immediate individual in question, as none chose their genetics, environment, or resultant behavior. And if your crimes aren't your fault then your accomplishments aren't yours either you can't have it both ways.Already agreed upon. An accomplishment is something which either the individual or society considers to be a positive achievement. One may still accomplish things by that standard, but one cannot rightly claim credit for such accomplishment. Just as one might commit a crime still, but cannot rightly be blamed for that crime. This does not preclude feeling positive emotions as a consequence (just as failure does not preclude negative emotions), but it necessarily precludes vanity. So yes, you are correct: I do not claim my accomplishments as being a product of my will, but of random consequence. So what is your point?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

My point is crimes are a result of individual choice if you steel a watch its because you chose to not because you come from a long line of theifs. It's bull shit ideas like the one you are currently espousing that prevent us form solving the root causes of crime. You can chose not to commit a crime your genetics don't predetermine your every move throughout your life. It's theory like this that piss me of the most because they allow these scum bags to deny responsibility for their actions (so they never get better) and even garner sympathy form people. Free will exists we all have it.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

My point is crimes are a result of individual choice if you steel a watch its because you chose to not because you come from a long line of theifs.Again, you misrepresent my argument. I do not claim that one is a thief because their predecessors were thieves, but rather that criminal behavior is engaged in by those are more predisposed to be anti-social. It is scientifically established that there is a genetic spectrum for sociability, dependent upon biological developments in the frontal cortex. These predispositions do not guarantee a person will become a criminal, but they make it more likely that under particular environmental stimulation an individual will engage in crime.It's bull shit ideas like the one you are currently espousing that prevent us form solving the root causes of crime.To the contrary, my perspective targets the root causes of crime by addressing the sources of human behavior and social deviance which are biological and sociological in nature. In what way does that prevent us from understanding crime? What would you suggest we look to instead? We have attempted to progress in our understanding of crime through your perspective for decades if not centuries and gotten nowhere (arguably, we’ve gone backwards). You can chose not to commit a crime your genetics don't predetermine your every move throughout your life. Free will exists we all have it.Give me one reason to think this is true beyond your flagrant assertion. The absolute fact that certain genetics and social factors are clearly and causally correlated with increased likelihood of criminality is a strike against an increasingly antiquated and unsubstantiated attachment to free will.It's theory like this that piss me of the most because they allow these scum bags to deny responsibility for their actions (so they never get better) and even garner sympathy form people.From the offset I have been quite explicit that while I do not believe in responsibility I do think accountability is both necessary and practical. Removing free will does not mean ignoring the problem at all, but rather refocusing our efforts away from retribution and towards individual rehabilitation and social reform. The retributive model has repeatedly been shown to be ineffective at deterrence and actually increases recidivism. Compassion for the criminal or anti-social is not just about being humane towards those individuals, but about pursuing responsible social policy that reduces crime.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

these predispositions do not guarantee a person will become a criminal but they make it more likely that under particular environmental stimulation an individual will engage in crime your argument still implies that a choice needs to be made by that individual to give in to the temptation therefor it still indicates the existence of free will.And I also believe in rehabilitation but if you tell these people "it's not you fault your genetics made you do it" or what ever they will never take responsibility for there actions and therefor never take steps toward correcting their own behavior. So yes you are moving us backwards. It's like when I was a kid and I broke a rule my parents sent me to my room with no TV, or video games and I was told to "think about what I did. I wasn't allowed to go back to doing what I wanted to do until I excepted responsibility for what I did and made an amends for it. And after a while I learned "you know what being grounded sucks.I better not fucking do that thing that got me grounded anymore" it's not rocket science dingus.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Your argument still implies that a choice needs to be made by that individual to give in to the temptation therefor it still indicates the existence of free will.Not at all. An individual with a predisposition towards violent behavior exposed to a certain set of experiences will respond violently, whereas a person lacking such predisposition towards violence exposed to comparable experiences will not act violently. Two individuals with comparable predispositions for violent behavior exposed to different experiences may result in one individual's predisposition towards violence being triggered while that of the other remains latent. There is no choice involved, merely variability resultant from the interaction of genetics and stimulation. And I also believe in rehabilitation but if you tell these people "it's not you fault your genetics made you do it" or what ever they will never take responsibility for there actions and therefor never take steps toward correcting their own behavior. So yes you are moving us backwards.You falsely assume the course of action suggested by my view. Firstly, you assume that I would recommend telling individuals that free will doesn't exist. Given the wholly irrational attachment most people have to the notion of free will, that would be a waste of time. Secondly, you assume that should I suggest having that discussion that I would do it with such a crude explanation as "genetics made you do it". Behavior is not static, and there is no reason that acknowledging the socio-biological determinants of behaviors must be an excuse against growth. Expectations of responsibility are accompanied by strong moral judgements that stigmatize individuals and impede growth and limit opportunity, rather than recognizing criminality as a byproduct of human biology and society. The incentive is not "be responsible" but "be happy" - be happy by reintegrating with society and community and others, by being more fulfilled in ones life. This builds upon basic human desires and reorients them to align with social needs and interests.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Have you ever made an effort to understand these people? I don't think anyone deserves eternal punishment, there is nothing you can do that warrants that.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

God seems to think differently and he can understand things we mortals can't even fathom. In short he's God don't question him.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

In short he's God don't question him. That is just pathetic .
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

No it isn't its advise. God is eternal his wisdom is infinite we can't possibly understand him its not within our capability as humans. So don't try.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

""Men are weak. The Blood of Numenor is all but spent, its pride and dignity forgotten. It is because of Men the Ring survives. I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago. I was there the day the strength of Men failed.""From Lord of the rings and it's as are as any of yours blobs
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

How do you know that? Has God told you? Has It held a press conference, shouted it out from the sky or written it in a hillside?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

It's common sense. He is eternal he's been around since the beginning of time so he knows everything and is wise beyond any of us because with age come wisdom (usually) and he's older than any of us.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

And how do you know that? (Or to be more precise, how do you know you know that?)
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Heaven is the greatest place you could ever go to! Murders, rapists, cereal killers, atheists, etc don't deserve to be in gods kingdom. You have to work hard on earth to get into heaven so not everyone should just get the easily ride out and get to go in.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

1. Wow. You really went there. Atheists really go on the same list as murderers, rapists, and serial killers? Reality check. There are atheists who work just as hard (or more so) and are far more christian in their conduct than actual Christians. But whatever, they're clearly terrible people who deserve an eternity of hellfire. Makes total sense.2. Your stance rather assumes free will, without actually providing any reason to believe it exists. The groups of individuals whom you mentioned did not choose to be the way they are, but are products of their genetic/biological predispositions and environmental conditioning (same as you).
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Hey babe, just bitch him out and ignore him. .
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Atheists are not like rapists, you arrogant prick! .
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Actually according to the bible they are on the same plane. Just like liars or shoplifters.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

A lot of people that go to heaven are rapists, murders and corn killers. To God we are all sinners but if you kiss Jesus' arse one in a while you'll be saved. Its not about working hard at all.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

I have to disagree with this. 1) The Second Coming has not come yet so we arent in heaven yet. Most people that go to heaven probably are not going to be rapists. 2) It isnt about kiss up to Jesus. If that is your mind set you cant be saved. It doesnt work like that.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Can you explain to me why a rapist is less likely to go to heaven than someone who, for example, just doesn't go to church every Sunday?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

According tl the bible both sins are weighed the same when judged. So neither would go to heaven unless they truly were sorry and repented. Also they would have ro remain in Christ to go to heaven. The sins are weighed equally in the end.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

I see. So really heaven is just as likely to be filled with what we consider as evil people (e.g. rapists and murders) than what we consider to be good people (e.g. those that just make that occasional sinful decision).
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

No. Not at all. You see in heaven you wont know who did what. Also you will have a majority of minor sinners. In Heaven you wont know if your neighbor once raped somebody. The past will be forgotten and a life of eternal joy will take place.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Heaven is the greatest place you could ever go to!TrueMurders, rapists, cereal killers, atheists, etc don't deserve to be in gods kingdomFalse, if they are forgiven by God through salvation they get in. Example the person that was on the cross alongside Jesus.You have to work hard on earth to get into heaven so not everyone should just get the easily ride out and get to go in.False, salvation is based on faith in Christ. This is faith is suppossed to be followed by works to prove it but entrance into heaven is not based upon works.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

some yes, are you telling me that osama deserve to go to heaven?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Absolutely. We have broken the laws of a Holy righteous God, and to be just he must punish sin eternally.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

no one deserves it, but its not an eternity, its more like 50 years or something, until satan is thrown into the lake of firenot that long
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

An I had was that for murderers they get eternally tortured for a number of years of life that they robbed their victims of and after that they just cease to exist.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

well ceasing to exist defies the laws of physics, I mean lets at least be realistic here
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

How does that follow at all? Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but human consciousness (which is the seat of the "soul") can and does certainly cease to exist.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

how the hell do you know it ceases to exist? our thoughts and emotions are produced by consciousness, animals are self conscious, that's consciousness, when we die, obviously our physical senses will die along too, but we will have an entire new set of senses after we diewww.perceivingreality.com
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

double post
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

consciousness is higher vibrating energy
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

No. It is a function of the brain, which is an organic matter that ceases to exist. If you are going to claim otherwise you need to do better than abstract, meaningless phrases like "higher vibrating energy"...
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Ive noticed in your other posts too that you have a problem detecting satire :PThe mind, like any other organ, decomposes. The atoms that made up the brain still exist forever. As least this is how I understand it.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

I am uncertain if I actually missed satire in this exchange, but I would not be surprised. At any rate, the actual point...All energy is preserved, however this does not support the view that consciousness persists after the decomposition of the brain as the overall atomic structure - and the network of synapses it comprises - is not retained. Without that structure, without the exchange of neural impulse, there is no consciousness and thus no existence after death.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

you do know right that all energy is vibrating at a certain frequency, which happens to be every single thing in the universe? this is one of the first things you learn in basic physics
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

oh yeah, and thoughts and emotion are energy which stem from consciousness
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Source please. Because I have studied physics and I think you are greatly misconstruing the science behind energy and frequencies. Even if you are right though, that shared vibrating frequency does not constitute a consciousness. By that logic, a rock has a soul and just as much sense of self as a person.Thoughts and emotion are not energy which stems from consciousness. Consciousness is a form of thought and emotion, and all are a consequence of particular bio-neurological processes. Those processes cease with death.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

God is against the laws of physics. You're proposing that Heaven and Hell exist, and for the sake of the argument, lets assume all these wacky religious things can actually happen. Walking on water, curing people magically, wine to water, e.t.c.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

God is against the laws of physics.Lol, god exists outside of the physical universe, so the laws of physics dont apply to it.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

It took you 229 days to come back and say he was 100% correct?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

i had to think about it hahahaha
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

That is an awful lot of thinking without actually pointing out any differences. :)
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

I agree, since when was eternal punishment acceptable for a terminable crime?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

No, nothing could possibly deserve what christians make hell out to be. I mean sure people deserve to be punished like rapists and slave owners...well, actually not rapists as long as they marry the girl after right? and as long as the slaves come from the lands around them and are only beaten within an inch of their lives and not to death theyre okay too...hmm...murderers i suppose. Yeah but even then they only deserve hell for what? 50 years? I mean sure itd be jail for life but this isnt jail, this is a lake of fire with demons in it, i think we can lower the sentance length. Hell in itself is pointless. Jail is at least called "Corrections" as in, we correct criminal behavior and then put them back in society rehabilitated or at least try to. Hell is just an endless punishment for a finite crime. that makes no sense.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

...Why would you want to marry someone who rapes you? And you justify human abuse...?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

He is referencing the deuteronomy/levictus/exodus laws that follow:(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)  If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.  However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

what he said .
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Those laws do not apply to our current day situation. Those are not the laws of the land that Christians are told to follow.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Assuming heaven and hell even exist, they constitute an inherently unjustifiable system of penalty and reward. Human behavior is a consequence of biological/genetic predispositions as they are affected by environmental stimuli and experience. Individual failing is a reflection upon the failure of society to recognize the fallibility of human nature and respond accordingly.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

How could you deserve to go to the place that isn't in a first place?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

What if it does exist? Are you 100% certain about that?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Yes I can be sure. There is no empirical proof of anything like that. Christian's hell was mentioned only in one very questionable book and that makes it equally real as Narnia.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

Narnia is after the bible. You still may never know if it exists or not. It isnt supposed to be visible.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

Narnia is after the bible. You still may never know if it exists or not. It inst supposed to be visible.I've tried to point the weakness of bible as a random evidence-free collection of myths.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

The weakness of the bible? That isnt a weakness. If you can see hell that violates Gods beliefs. So how can you say one thing and not apply all of the logic behind religion?
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: No

There is no logic behind religion. It's based on idiotic tales full of magic and talking animals. Only fucked up people can follow that.
Debate: Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)
Side: Yes

The lack of empirical evidence to substantiate a claim is not proof against the claim, but rather a probabilistic grounds for disbelief and absolute reason for questioning the validity of the claim. That said, I think there is significant evidence to further substantiate the probability that religion (and hell and heaven) are mere social and individual constructions without basis in reality.