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Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I think you have given what the Right thinks the Left hopes. Why don't you post on the other side for what you actually think is ideal for society?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Hello A:I'm a lefty. But, I'm not empowered to speak for others.. I'm a staunch capitalist who believes in the safety net.. Ideally, that means people would take care of themselves, and those who can't aren't cast aside..That's the nuts and bolts of it.. How deep do you want me to go? I COULD talk about the ACA v the AHCA if you want.excon
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I'm a lefty. But, I'm not empowered to speak for others I would like you to try. I want to know what the ideal would be for those college campus rioters. What do social justice warriors really want in the end?I'm a staunch capitalist who believes in the safety netI'm not sure a staunch capitalist can truly say they are a lefty. How do you feel about crippling regulations? What's your take on household and corporate taxes? Sanders says we should have free college. I don't think the Left really likes capitalism that much.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Hello again, A:Look.. The Free Speech movement STARTED at Berkeley.. I dunno what happened to it..I'm in business.. Regulations are a fact of life.. They don't cripple me, though.. In fact, I'm GLAD they protect the environment, and pave my streets. I don't mind paying for it.. Yes, there are onerous regulations and I don't mind if they repeal those.Taxes don't cripple me either.. The published corporate rate is 39%.. But, that's BEFORE deductions and tax credits.. Plus, I have a very aggressive tax planner. My effective corporate tax rate is about 22%. Look.. You don't think lefty's like capitalism, and I don't think righty's like freedom.. But, that's where we find ourselves, isn't it?excon
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

LMMFAO excon is all you got is spin ? ROTFFLMMFAO lefty's like capitalism and righty's don't like freedom ? Get you some more of CNN !
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

What year did that Free Speech Movement start in California ? Protecting your environment and paving your streets but it takes fossil fuels to pave your streets so how is that protecting your environment ? LMMFAO excon is the Poster Child of STUPID !
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

excon is so smart that his corporate tax rate is 22% but regulations protect the environment and pave his roads LMMFAO ! Can't protect the environment paving your roads with fossil fuels so how smart are you excon ?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Get in touch with all the major corporations in this country excon and sic your aggressive tax planner on them ROTFFLLMFAO !
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Rather than heckle legit posters on this debate, post a position of your own. This is your only warning.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Hello A:He thinks attacking me IS a position.. He follows me around like a little puppy dog. I kinda like it.excon
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

If taxes protect your environment but pave your roads then how is your environment protected excon ?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

EXCON is a legit poster ? LMMFAO ! Believe whatever you feel as to be right !
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Oh look here i am getting a warning LMAO ! What has taken place no 1st Amendment right ?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Keyboard Warrior if you think you scare me you better find another route to your intimidation. Bring on what you got !!!!!!
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

You don't think lefty's like capitalism, and I don't think righty's like freedomTypically, neither like freedom. Lefties don't like economic freedom, and Righties don't like social freedom. If you like social freedom AND economic freedom, you are a Libertarian. If you like social control AND economic control, you are an authoritarian (which can lean right or left).What we have today is polarization between relatively authoritarian blocks on the right and on the left. That's why I wanted to know the goal from each perspective. Most people are not as one sided as the loudest of us on TV, but we can usually relate to our side and explain what their goals are, even if we aren't on board.I know the free speech movement started at Berkeley. Now the speech suppression movement has started there. Both came from the Left. So what is their goal now?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Hey Moderate Oh Boy Barack never had a balanced budget ! Show me a Progressive in Congress that doesn't serve the lobbying corporate interest ! Moderate you want the SCOTUS writing the laws in this country ! Tell me Barack Obama knew anything about the Constitution ! Thought Barack was a Constitutional Scholar ?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I objected to Obama's budgets as well as the bailout packages. And Congress is rotten throughout and that's the fault of apathetic voters as well as the stupid bipolar extremist voters. And I don't want the Supreme Court writing laws, but likewise when they conclude something is or is not constitutional that indeed is their job.All easy to answer outlaw. Because I don't have half my brain tied behind my back.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I'm not a leftist, but I see that this side has not received appropriate representation, which isn't a good thing. I still don't neccessarily support these reasons.People should not feel alienated. Integrating into the society should be as simple and smooth as possible without any prejudices, and progress should be encouraged as an important goal. People can be alienated only if they are directly harmful to society or its progress.(As it stands, it's basically just a "fake it till you make it" attempt towards a utopia.)
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

1)No need for any more immigrants from cultures and regions hostile to our culture. Only immigrants from civilized cultures and areas that have proven they can coexist in our society.2)Political correctness dies.3)Chivalry becomes a societal norm again.4)2 Genders become normal nationwide.5)We put tariffs on any company that leaves the U.S. and then wants to sell back to us from overseas. Our country wins if they stay. It wins if they leave. But in reality, they'd never leave if the tariffs were fierce.6)We begin teaching Biblical principles in school again. The moral decline of America could reverse back to something half way normal and sane again.7)Burning the flag would get you tossed out of the country or thrown in prison for treason.8)Monsanto would be tossed out of the country, and we would give students incentive to be farmers again.9)We'd make a military that would be unstoppable and have a strong ability to stop foreign threats through intimidation and fear alone per technology, numbers of air personel, and military strength.10)We'd insure that women never have to cover their heads with hijabs or wear burkas, that they never lose the right to vote, etc.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

First, thank you for posting an honest response on the correct side. I will address each position in your numbered order.1. I imagine this means cultures that are similar enough to ours that they can feasibly assimilate to ours if they choose to come here. If this is correct, you don’t need to respond.2. I don’t think the idea will ever die, but relegating it to the realm of speeches by politicians would make any critique of their language much more reasonable and any critique of any private individual’s language no matter of concern.3. What is Chivalry?4. What happens to people who do not have normal gender situations?5. Why do both the left and the right feel it is correct and proper to impose governmental will on peoples’ economic activities?6. Would it be enough to expand private education; such that people can choose what religious and moral indoctrination their children receive? Or do you propose government mandated bibilical teachings to all the children whose parents are Atheists, Buddhists, Hindu, Muslim, Etc.?7. That kind of expression of discontent with political circumstances is lacking in perspective, respect and class. But it should not be illegal. What was your branch?8. I can’t understand why the Right should target a private organization such as Monsanto. What exactly is their crime?9. A military that is this unstoppable would be one that the people this nation could not defend against. It is also one that all the wealth in the world cannot truly fund. Unstoppable? Sure. Undefeatable? No such thing.10. While you’re at it, why not end world hunger and bring world peace?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Chivalry is when men quit rejecting biology and embrace their masculine programming to protect and honor their mate, rather than being brainwashed to be gender neutral and/or reject their own masculinity.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

That was more like a struggle for dominance, for which men were the natural winners and things stayed that way until this point in civilisation.It's funny that almost exclusively throughout the world, men were the aggressive and stronger ones and quickly established their dominance.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

What happens to people who do not have normal gender situations?It can all be worked out. I had this debate with LittleMisfit. If someone is truly that unique, they will choose the gender they most associate with, it will be put on their drivers license, and they will go to that particular bathroom. If they ever have a change, they will have that change put on their license and will then go to that particular bathroom. What they will not be doing is going to both bathrooms at the same time as if it is a bathroom game.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

If they stay in the U.S., they won't have any government interference. If they choose to get rich here, then bail for cheaper labor, they'll pay the price for not being loyal to our people. It's their choice. We don't have to let them ship anything into our country. It's a privilege, not a right.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

If they choose to get rich here, then bail for cheaper labor, they'll pay the price for not being loyal to our peopleI guess bringing prices down for the American consumer is not what you consider loyalty.We don't have to let them ship anything into our country. It's a privilege, not a right.Yeah, we could close all import/export transactions. For the people. As if that would be good for anyone.This sounds fairly anti-free market. I was hoping for a right wing perspective.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

We don't teach the Bible. We teach its basic moral principles because that's the principles that created the nation in the first place. It's a privilege for them to come to a nation with a Christian culture. Notice that immigrants are not flocking to countries centralized around those other belief systems. They flock to Christianized cultured nations. It's our duty to give them such cultured areas to go to, otherwise they will have nowhere left to go.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

That kind of expression of discontent with political circumstances is lacking in perspective, respect and class. But it should not be illegal.Sure it should. You asked for MY ideal society, not yours, and seeing I am the dictator in this hypothetical situation, flag burning will be a punishable offense. It's treason against the United States of America. If you don't like America, we can and will show you the door. You are welcome to try your chances in Mexico, Pakistan, Iran, China, whatever you wish. There is no guarantee that they will accept you though, so good luck.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

You asked for MY ideal societyNo I really didn't. I asked for what the Right would consider ideal. You seem too Left for this side of the post. You want to shut down things that you find politically incorrect, such as flag burning. That's what the Left wants. You want economic controls just like the Left. You want to make supposed evil Corporations pay, just like the Left. You want a strong centralized Federal Government with yourself as the benevolent dictator. Other than your choice of supreme leader, this is a Lefty position too. Next time I want to hear from someone on the Right, I won't ask you. Though you may identify as a Right winger.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

No I really didn't. I asked for what the Right would consider ideal. You seem too Left for this side of the postNothing I proposed was a liberal ideal. The left wants to shut down immigration from the Middle East? I must be living in a parralel reality...Sorry, it's not the right burning the flag. That's the left. Burning a flag in public isn't free speech. It's inciting a riot and isn't a peaceful demonstration.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

I actually listed the Lefty things you proposed. Listing the non-Lefty things you want doesn't mean those other issues become Right wing positions.You want a strong central government with laws against what you consider politically incorrect. You want strong economic controls. You want to punish the "evil corporations". Whatever Right Wing ideas you have, these are not among them.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

No I really didn't. I asked for what the Right would consider idealSure you did. Not all people on the right think exactly the same. And if you already "know what the right thinks is ideal", then this debate was pointless.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

When I asked what the Right would consider ideal, and you added Leftist ideals, I took issue. I didn't target your Right wing positions.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

It looks like you don't like 5,7 and 8. So from your perspective I gave a 70% "right wing" response, thus I gave.... a right wing response. Nevertheless...5)I only want to punish companies that are here, want to become nasty little globalists, and then want to ship all of our jobs to Mexico or the like. This is actually what Trump has proposed, a 35% tariff.7)I don't care what they do on their own property. Starting riots in public that involve burning the flag is an act and decleration of war. Opposition to the other party and the government by force, by breaking the law, and then starting fires in the streets, and openly declaring said violence as an act against the people and government that the flag represents is terrorism with provable intent.8)Capitalism isn't designed to help Monsanto monopolize the industry, destroy all of its competitors, and create hybrid seeds that can't reproduce within said monopoly. That's a good way to make a crop go extinct and possibly us.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

It looks like you don't like 5,7 and 8. So from your perspective I gave a 70% "right wing" responseNot all points can be weighted equally.This is actually what Trump has proposed, a 35% tariff.A tariff is simply a sales tax. It is more of a burden to American consumers.Starting riots in public that involve burning the flag is an act and decleration of war.Would your strong centralized government make it illegal to burn the flags of our allies as well?Capitalism isn't designed to help Monsanto monopolize the industryCapitalism is designed at all. It is simply economic freedom in action. Will you also destroy Pioneer, Monsanto's number 1 competitor? Do you know what happens when you breed a crop plant with itself repeatedly for 7 generations? It gets huge. It becomes the giant ear of corn you are used to seeing on your plate. Do you know what happens when you take that giant imbred mutant and try to produce a new crop from it? You produce shriveled up little ears of corn that are worthless. This isn't a suicide gene, it's just what happans.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

This is actually what Trump has proposed, a 35% tariff.A tariff is simply a sales tax. It is more of a burden to American consumers.Not really. Once the company sees the tariff, they don't leave. That's why Ford is still here and not in Mexico. If the company tried to foot the 35% tariff to the consumer, Americans wouldn't be able to afford it, and the company would lose the greatest consuming nation on Earth as a customer. The point? They don't leave in the first place. Companies go for the best possible financial scenario. Leaving would be the worst possible financial scenario.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

And the potential savings of producing overseas are lost. If a company leaves, the cost of tariffs would be past on to the consumer, causing them to loose market share. If the company stays, they have to maintain higher prices, causing them not to gain market share. But they are about to have another way out. Auto manufacturers are not far from being able to replace all their American labor with the cheapest labor there is, automation. Then they will be able to deliver a less expensive product to the consumer without having to leave the borders at all. Of course they will be able to fire most of their labor force, and a tariff won't stop them. Since the outcome will be the same (cheaper products and laid off laborers), will you be consistent in your targeting of economic freedom? Will you propose Luddite policies?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Starting riots in public that involve burning the flag is an act and decleration of war.Would your strong centralized government make it illegal to burn the flags of our allies as well?Burning anything in public while rioting is illegal already. I support the law. I just want it enforced and to stay enforced.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

excerpt from article in Time magazine--------For farmers hoping for a healthy harvest, the best place to turn for help these days is the Monsanto Corp. One of the world's leading biotechnology companies--and lately a pioneer in genetically engineered seeds--Monsanto has been incorporating flashy traits like herbicide and pest resistance into everything from canola to corn. But such supercrops don't come cheap. Farmers pay a premium for Monsanto seeds, and to make sure they keep paying, the company requires them to sign an agreement promising not to plant seeds their crops produce. If farmers want the same bountiful harvest next year, they must return to the company for a new load of seeds.While this arrangement makes sense for Monsanto, it works only if farmers honor it--something that's difficult to police in the U.S. and almost impossible in the developing world. Now, however, Monsanto hopes to enforce biologically what it can't enforce contractually. With the help of clever genes currently in development, future Monsanto crops may be designed with a new feature in mind: sterility. No sooner will the company's plants mature than the seeds they carry will lose the ability to reproduce.-----http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,18814,00.html
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

future Monsanto crops may be designed with a new feature in mind: sterility. .
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

The article was from 1999. The seeds have had the "suicide gene" for years now.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Why would you post an outdated source for your current position? Is there an updated article that indicates they actually achieved this?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

I didn't realize it was outdated initially, and didn't catch the line that you quoted. I have provided you a new one.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Your incredibly biased source not only has outright lies, such as "GMOs are failing to control pests and weeds, and have instead led to the emergence of superpests and superweeds", but it fails to support your claim. The article blames Monsanto for it's legal protections of it's intellectual property rights. The article presents a damning argument concerning lawsuits over cross-pollination, which would necessarily preclude the existence of a suicide gene.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Fine. You go find some sources on the issue and present them to us. That will end all doubt. I'll wait.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Genetic use restriction technology (GURT), colloquially known as terminator technology or suicide seeds, is the name given to proposed methods for restricting the use of genetically modified plants by causing second generation seeds to be sterile. The technology was developed under a cooperative research and development agreement between the Agricultural Research Service of the United States Department of Agriculture and Delta and Pine Land company in the 1990s, but it is not yet commercially available.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneticuserestriction_technology
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Looks like a biased source to me. What can I tell ya... See how that works?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

The point about your source wasn't only that it was biased, but that it actually supported my position despite it's bias.
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Left's perspective

Then what are you whining about Amarel? That I would prefer to not have our seeds patented and genetically altered to the point that they can't reproduce? How do you patent a seed or a plant? Well they are. Can I patent the letter "A"? How about the wind? Can I patent that if I alter it? The point? Why would leaning right make you think patenting seeds and plants is safe, normal, and not completely insane? My original point was that I would stop that from happening. Would you?
Debate: What would be ideal for society?
Side: From the Right's perspective

Because they aren't your seeds. What if I took some corn, spent a bunch of money on it, and found a way to make it drought resistant. I am the only one who has this drought resistant corn. Everyone still has all the other corn. I will sell you my personal drought resistant corn, but you gotta promise not to use it more than one season, otherwise I won't be able to continue making cool new stuff like this. Would that make me crazy or evil? No. Is it crazy to uphold intellectual property rights? No.