Debate: Does God exist?
Side: Theism

You're giving your opinion on what you believe to be true.Not quite. Im telling you what i can assume to be valid based on a large amount of convincing supporting evidence from trusted, valuable sources like scientific journals and the like. It should also be noted that my belief does not determine the validity of such things, the evidence does.I am giving my opinion on what I believe is true.Yes, what you are convinced is true, not what you have chosen to believe. The only difference is that you are far more easily convinced than i am and that what you believe in lacks a foundation of really any supporting evidence whatsoever.Based on these things dont try to equate our situations because they most certainly arent equal.Both of us will find out who is correct eventually ; either through death or through life.Agreed. Ultimately that is the one PROOF of who will be correct, however, that does not mean that both have equal posibilities of being true, or that we can decide before then what is true beyond a reasonable doubt.People have choices and you beg to differ, that's fine. I know I have a choice in what I believe. It's a shame you do not understand how much choice you have.No, people dont have choices and YOU beg to differ. You THINK you have a choice when in reality you dont. And no, i dont see what choice i have because there isnt one. NOBODY chooses what they believe. For instance, i CANT choose to believe in god because i have been convinced he 99.9999999% doesnt exist based on all the evidence ive analyzed, the same goes for santa, the easter bunny, ect. Now, i used to believe in all these things. When i stopped believing in them it wasnt because i CHOSE to stop. Why would i stop? Whats the upside to not believing in such things? Especially god which means i burn in hell? No, i didnt choose to, i was convinced by evidence that their nonexistence better reflected reality. The same goes for every belief anyone has including you. If you CAN choose to believe things, RIGHT NOW believe in santa. make yourself believe just like you did when you were 5. OR imagine trying to choose not believing in god. You cant do either. You literally cant even if you wanted to. Because belief is not a switch you can flip on or off. there is no choices. People do say and believe in "crazy" things, however, I do not.To a rational atheist all believers appear crazy. YOU dont see these things because youre on the inside looking out and they all appear natural, all your beliefs and practices. But to outsiders looking in, even the most normal people to you look like wackjobs to us. Nothing is crazy about me believing in God, it's as natural as my lungs needing the oxygen and as natural as my heart pumping automatically the blood and oxygen to my brain and the rest of my body.Based on that, im not sure you understand what natural is. Saying belief in a supernatural god is natural. Its a big contradiction. The big bang and evolution, those are natural.Humans are curious creatures and believe in many things.Are all beliefs in anything "correct"? Probably not.For once we agree.Are all beliefs in God, "correct"? Who knows?Okay its curious that when you say " all beliefs" in general are "probably not" true, but when you narrow it down to "beliefs in gods" suddenly its "who knows?". Its the same for both. "probably not". Are all beliefs in gods true? Definately not, they completely contradict and none probably exist at all. BUT it is also a who knows question because theyre untestable so we cant prove them. Thats why IM unconvinced based on all this evidence against them, AND why i cant understand that knowing that claims of god can be false that you still state that god exists.Perhaps, the fact that there are many Gods means that due to cultural indifferences and language and societal boundaries, we're all speaking of the same deity. Crazy? Nah. Observant to actuality? Yes.No. Whats observant to reality is the evidence that suggests that any and all gods probably dont exist at all. Not to mention many religions completely contradict eachother in so many ways that they CANT be the same at all. Stop trying to rationalize the irrational. Atheists are hardly a belief system that I worry aboutAtheism is the exact opposite of a belief system. If you dont know basic definitions then this argument is over.Agnostics especially.all atheists are agnostics because nobody can know and say for certain no god exists based on the fact that such a god is unprovable because he cant be scientifically tested.Trust me, I have more atheist friends than I have religious friends. And trust me, they've got more logical and intelligent arguments than most atheists on this board.And i doubt you listen to them very well.I'm almost positive all you've ran into in your life are "crazy" religious people, and then you assume that there is no "intelligent conversation",again, from the outside looking in all that christianity entails seems crazy. Extremists are INSANE. There is a spectrum. And i often assume that no intelligent conversation is possible when i have people who cant understand simple concepts that contradict their religions, or that dont know definitions of words, or make excuses for their beliefs, or dont have any clue about anything outside their belief sets like science.because you have the mindset that the masses of the people that utilize religious in a negative way;All religion on any level is harmfull. The higher end of the spectrum are extremists and corporations like TBN and the catholic church that allow horrible things to occur and whore money out of people. And on the lowest end is just the average believer. How is that harmfull? Its not harmfull if just one person has it. But BILLIONS have it and it collectively holds us back. All of the scientists we could have that dont persue it because theyre told its wrong or bad. We couldve cured cancer and AIDS by now probably. and all of the taxes that churches dont pay could be funding research and keeping the space programs running, or just helping the economy. But no, these resources are wasted. Thats why i hate religion.You completely disregard the good in spirituality and religious thought; which makes your mindset limited and blind to actuality.I see no good coming from a bunch of wrong beliefs. They have zero benefits and only the placebo effect at most. For instance, we know unicorns dont exist. But if some guy yelled and pranced around yelling "unicorns answer my prayers!" that person isnt REALLY experiencing divine energy or whatever, theyre just crazy and might THINK they are. Now if it makes him/religious people happy then thats great and im not saying its 100% evil, but the bad side of it far outweighs tthe good and as Matt Dilahunty once said:"There is nothing that religion does for society or humanity that cannot be accomplished by purely secular means at this point in our evolution"You're concerned for the future yet you're bashing religious thought and people that believe as if they're an infestation to our society. Because from the outside its easy to see where religion holds us back which you are blind to.Hah! Hardly. Look in the mirror lately and analyses yourself? Quick to point the finger. Ahh, there it is.WTF?