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Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

The privacy statement of gmail's TOS explicitely states they will use content of gmail's service which you view to display ads. Furthermore the policies explain that content you access over gmail's service is not your own. This can be extended to incloude emails from non-gmail users that you view while signed into gmail. See below for the exact language used by google.---http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ Using our Services does not give you ownership of any intellectual property rights in our Services or the content you accesshttp://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ Information we collect We collect information to provide better services to all of our users – ... to more complex things like which ads you’ll find most useful or the people who matter most to you online.---It is not explicitely stated 'how' gmail will use the content to provide customized ads but the legal requirements permitting them to do so is in their TOS. Furthermore, consider ads are a major source of revenue for google, how they determine what ads to show you can be considered a trade secret. In this case, of course they are not going to tell users how they perform this act because if they did competitors could follow suit and steal their idea. Thus it makes logical sense such an explicit definition of how the information to display ads is not part of their TOS. But a broader definition is present in its absence which covers this situation.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Could you post the quote in the Terms of Service where it says that? I only read the part linking to its Privacy Policy.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

I apoligize for not adding the exact language from the TOS in my first comment, it is added now.. This information can be found if you took the time to examine gmails privacy and policy documents.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

No one reads the ToS and everyone knows it. Also, an issue is that even if you don't have a gmail account and you email someone who does the email gets dissected by google. So even though you have not agreed to have your emails read it will happen regardless depending on who you email.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

'Other' users emails either sent by you to non-gmail or received by you from non-gmail accounts are covered by their policies document. This are part of the 'content' which you access and prescribe you have no ownership of by using gmail's service. Thus the content then becomes covered under what information they collect that is used for the purpose of ads. Yes the language is broad in google's documents, but if you read carefully it covers the case you have mentioned. Not reading the TOS doesn't mean you aren't bound by it.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Just because no one reads the ToS does not mean it has no value, ethical or lawful.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Google is like a big brother, it would never hurt us! Google has a very in depth code of ethics that is designed not only to protect themselves but the users as well.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

"Google is like a big brother". Big Brother... '1984'. Wow... just wow. (If you have read the book '1984' you will understand what I am saying). You are assuming that people never break ethical codes, and if that were true we would not have a Professional Responsiblities class.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Big brother is always watching. Sounds scary to me, I hope Google isn't always watching.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

This argument uses the fallacy of appeal to authority. Can you point us to the code of ethics that Google uses, or somehow demonstrate how their accessing of our information is legitimate through their code? And, more importantly, how if at all does their code correspond to the SE Code of Ethics as laid out by IEEE?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

My post may not have good logic, but it isn't an example of an appeal to authority. If you understood what that fallacy meant, you'd understand that an appeal to authority would be more akin to saying that Google is ethical reading emails because it isn't illegal by US law. Served.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Google doesn't care what we're doing. They're not using it for negative purposes. Sure, ads are annoying but there aren't there to hurt you.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

It doesn't matter whether they are using it for negative purposes. I still don't want people other than myself reading my emails.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

You have the option to opt-out if you don't want Google to scan your emails.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Not always. Regardless of whether you use gmail or not, you have no way to opt out of Google examining your emails when they are received by an opted-in gmail-using recipient.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Is this option to opt out made easily apparent to the user of the email service?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Someday I hope to be able to cache my own memories with Google's services. Google makes good products (Google+ is an exception to the rule) so we should recognize that Google is ethical in everything they do, including reading our Gmails.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

How does making good products make Google an organization authorized to access our personal information?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

That is true. It is still a free service and should be treated as such.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

The quality of the products does not correlate with their ethical practices.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Unfortunately, a lot of users believe that they're entitled to a free service, such as Gmail. The problem is, these services cost money. Google has to pay for development, servers, etc. Not to mention, Google is a business, and businesses need to make money.In order to offer Gmail as a free service, it has to use targeted ads to generate revenue. The thought of Google "reading" our e-mails is unnerving, but the fact of the matter is its a program, not a person, and it is entirely opt-in.Being an opt-in service, Google can do whatever it wants. Nobody is forcing you to use Gmail, and if you're uncomfortable with the idea of software analyzing your emails for keywords, you are free to use a different service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I wouldn't call it "opt-in" since the privacy-infringing settings are default. You're correct in asserting that concerned users are not forced to use Google services. However, users aren't told that the contents of their emails are being examined. They are opted-in by default. This is deceptive and an infraction of users' expectations of privacy.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I agree. If I'm using a service, I want to know what the consequences are to me as a result. There is nothing in the privacy policy or terms of service stating that my email will be parsed and personalized ads generated due to my email content.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

A major sector of revenue for google is ads. Thus certain practices related to how they make this revenue can be considered trade secrets. Therefore there is no reasonable expectation to disclose how the ads are generated. Furthermore the method used to generate ads can be considered intellectual property of google, adding further justification for not revealing details.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

It's not a secret that google makes a lot of it's money through advertisements. I would even go so far as saying that it is fairly common knowledge that google's displayed ads are reflective of someone's searches and interests. However including something in the terms of use of gmail about this would at least inform people of what they were getting into, and i don't see how it would help google's competition or reveal any real trade secrets.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

With an argument like this, any free service gives the corresponding business the right to do anything it wants to with the service in order to make money. The way the first paragraph is phrased it seems like it is saying "businesses need to make money, so damn anyone or anything that gets in the way of that. Is privacy important, yeah, but businesses need money so forget it. Is freedom from slavery important, yeah, but businesses need to make money and they can make more if they have free labor" (im escalating to make a point). Basically, what I am trying to say is being a business that needs to make money does not allow for being free to do whatever it takes to get money.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

another part of this is that commercial google account don't have to be subsidized with ad revenue, and could be immune to this kind of email parsing.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Why does the matter in which Google generates its revenue to provide this service matter at all? If they can't support their service in an ethical fashion then they shouldn't offer it at all.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Exactly, i second something .
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

If you are using Google's services, you have no right to privacy when using their products.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Using this logic you have no right to privacy when you use any product, even when you make a password for Ebay or register a credit card with Amazon.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I disagree. Then should we be concerned with how they use such information?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

You have the right to be concerned with how they use your information, but you're not entitled to any input on how it is used.Google does not force you to use its services. If you disagree with how they use your information, it is your right to "speak with your wallet" and choose a competing service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

While this may be true, Google as a software service provider is ethically obligated to act on behalf of the public's best interest. (See section 1 of the IEEE/ACM SE Code of Ethics) Included in this is addressing matters of grave public concern.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Although Google scan emails for relevant ad content, their "security procedures strictly limit access to and use of users’ personal information, and require that each of us take measures to protect user data from unauthorized access." The data is not used for harm and users know about it.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

I agree with this statement, they are given only limited access so why not let them access what they need for their purposes.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

While I personally don't take issue with Google accessing small portions of data for account personalization and advertising, I think they should be more transparent in their efforts. As I've mentioned in other posts, it seems wrong for Google to gain access by default and rely on the user to go in and turn access off if they so desire.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Even if you were worried about people who did have limited access to what personal emails you have; opting out let's you receive the benefits of the service as well as not giving up the information's you want to keep private.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

When the world comes to an end... google will survive. They are umbrella corporation.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

This makes all too much sense.... its starting to scare me a little to say the truth...
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

They are pros and cons to letting google read our emails but I believe that the Pros outweigh the Cons in this scenario.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

You may be right, but it would help to know what these pros and cons are.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Although the benefits do seem to outweigh the cons, it's would be good to know exactly what the benefits of contributing to the service would provide; either way, opting out is always an option too.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

By scanning our emails, Google does provide some benefits apart from the interest generated ads such as better spam filters; however they should be more transparent on what they actually do with the information, so people have more information before choosing to simply opt out.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

I trust Google before NSA.---------------------------------------------------
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

I would agree with this statement. What harm could Google possibly do by reading a few emails that the NSA can't already do.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Are we obligated to trust any certain group with information we don't wish for them to have. I feel like we should trust neither of them.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Google was found to not have explicit consent from Non-Gmail users for automatically scanning their emails.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Very well said. If it's not a direct part of their terms of service and if express consent is not given, then the content of the emails is being accessed in a way which violates the user's right to privacy.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Google was also found to not have explicit consent from Gmail users as well (there is nothing specific in their Terms of Service or Privacy Policy about automatic scanning), but I think there is a stronger case for the privacy of non-Gmail users.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

it's imposible to sent a mail without reading it first, it's like trying to make a photocopy of something without seeing the original. All is it just advert on Microsoft's Outlook.com which does exactly same. .
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

It is not explicitly stated 'how' gmail will use the content to provide customized ads but what if google considered that information a trade secret or their own intellectual property?Thus it makes logical sense it isn't present. I would assume gmail's lawyers thought of this but it was shot down. I would be curious to know why/how.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Moron, how does the email server sends your mail without reading it first ?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Google's privacy policy (http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/ privacy/) does not disclose that Google parses the content of user's emails. Because this behavior is not disclosed in the privacy policy, users of Google's email service have a reasonable expectation of privacy when using the service. It is thus unethical for Google to examine the contents of emails delivered using their service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

This was a big point in determining that Google did not have explicit consent from its users."The Court finds that Gmail users’ acceptance of these statements does not establish explicit consent. Section 8 of the Terms of Service suggests that content may be intercepted under a different set of circumstances for a different purpose — to exclude objectionable content, such as sexual material. This does not suggest to the user that Google would intercept emails for the purposes of creating user profiles or providing targeted advertising."
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I agree, I think the fact that there is no explicit mention of having your email content exposed for Google's use in their ToS is the key here.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Yes, I feel like this is the key point. Although they mention collecting data for ads, it is not explicitly mentioned and therefore people can reasonably expect their email's content to b private.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Email messages contain private information, Google shouldn't be watching it
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Google isn't "watching." There is no person reading your emails, judging you on what you did last night or tattling about something you did wrong. Its just a program that parses your messages and looks for keywords.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Google is simply scanning your emails for data used to generate ads that may interest you in order to fund the free service that is Gmail.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Letting Google scan our emails for ad purposes can only be helpful in that it will maintain gmail as a free service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I don't think this is a common misconception, but I may be wrong.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

If they want to modify their parsing program in a meaningful way, they're going to have to have a human look at the input it's taking and output it's generating. If they want to test it as best as possible they're going to want to use legitimate input, e.g. actual emails. What better testing input is there to use than the massive userbase that Gmail has? There is no guarantee that a human is reading my emails but there's no guarantee that one isn't, either.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Emails should be treated like letters. If I send a letter to the post office I expect that it will be delievered to the recipient un-opened and un-read.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Email is not a letter, to be send must be read by email server and send as a signal to other one where it will be read by destination server... every email service works same.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

I agree, while those letters must be "read" at some point, at no point should any of the words be used for any purpose by Google or any third party.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

It looks like they tried to cover it with broad statements in the terms and privacy agreements, that users agreed to -- but the terms were too broad to be applicable.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Those statements don't necessarily correlate. Just because information is private does not exclude every possible party from viewing the information.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

IF THIS ARGUMENT GETS ENOUGH UPVOTES I WILL HUG A BEAR WHILE WEARING A SUIT COVERED IN EXOTIC HONEYS
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

This is not an argument at all. There is no way to argue without logic.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

you can argue - just not very well. You are making the fallacy fallacy. Just because an argument is fallicious does not make the conclusion untrue.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

this argument appeals to absurdity and the internet culture (which is rape culture)
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Google's interest-based ads are turned on by default. While it is good that they give the user the ability to opt-out, if they so choose, it doesn't seem ethical to turn this setting on by default. A user may not be fully aware that Google is parsing their emails for advertising by default.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Especially for new Gmail users they should at least bring up a little pop-up telling them how to opt-out of personalized ads when they sign up for their account.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Users of Google software have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Google has routinely violated that privacy simply for the sake of increasing their own profits.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

There should be no expectation for privacy when using a free service
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Many banks offer free online services. Is it unreasonable to assume some degree of privacy when using those services/websites? Regardless of the means through which it is conveyed and sent, our information is both personal and confidential. There's a reason why it's a felony to open up another person's mail, and email should be no different.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Bank services are not truly "free" though. Users have accounts with that bank, and they're likely paying a service fee attached to their account. Or, if there is no service fee, the bank is generating revenue from the money users have invested in the bank.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Bank services are "free" because you have given the bank your money. When have you given google your money for "free" Gmail services?
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Reading email without probable cause (of a crime or something) is an invasion of privacy.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

humans are not reading the emails, it's parsed by a computer. For a human to read the email, it requires a warrant.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

The question is whether Google is ethical "reading" our emails. I understand they are parsed by a computer. But that isn't the question. The question should be worded differently if this is not what it is intending.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

Because you don't own the content of which you access over gmail (see their policy statements) their is no requirement here. That seems like a bad policy if you ask me, but that is how they worded the documents you accepted to use gmail's service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

That might be what Google says publicly, but Google can change its terms that you agreed to any time.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

But you agreed to terms that said they could be changed. If you disagree with the changes to the terms, you have the right to stop using the service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

Agreed, if you disagree with the change in terms just stop using gmail and use a different emailing service.
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Unethical

However, in exceptional circumstances Google can be properly authorized by a government authority to investigate our e-mail metadata. Google could then falsify their intent towards using this data similar to the NSA's tracking of U.S. citizens' locations. Therefore, no one can be trusted since anything is possible!!!
Debate: Google is Ethical reading our Emails
Side: Ethical

This sounds like an argument under the fourth Amendment. Google is not a legal entity, and therefore does not have any sort of pertinent relationship to the Fourth Amendment. Google can, however, be subpoenaed by a legal authority to present such information in the event that legality is an issue.