azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

It is pork money when only 50 people live on that island. The only one that truly benefits from these type of projects are the ones that get the kick-backs. If there was 10,000 people that lived on the island, then maybe a bridge would be feasible.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Alright Mr.Democrat, if you think that having a bridge built so people can... well ya know, get off of a island without a long ferry ride is pork, why do't you do some research on the Obama's stimulus bills.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

They are no more theft than free riding off the system which gave you wealth or made it possible for you to earn it.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

So your saying that low taxes are "free riding" but the government forcing you to give them a share of your money isn't theft?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Stop using roads, schools, police, fire departments, etc. etc. etc.then you bitch about it.The U.S. has been paying the lowest tax rates in history since the bush tax cuts took effect. You sound like a spoiled child mad cause you only get to play PS3 for an hour instead of two.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

I didn't say ALL taxes were theft, I said over taxing is theft. Schools, roads, police and fire departments are needed, however, being taxes excessively so that the US can afford 3 wars and mass wellfare is theft.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

No, that means you do not like the service. Not that you are being robbed.If I buy a hamburger and don't like it, they did not steal from me, I just didn't like the hamburger that I got.You have an argument on how money is spent. You cannot argue that you are being robbed through taxes though. And you also cannot argue that taxes are higher now, because they are not despite the mass-brainwashing America has endured otherwise.I agree completely that not paying for those wars was a mistake. Especially given that at the time we had the money for them even should they have proved necessary (I'd argue they were not), thanks to Clinton's fiscally responsible stewardship of the economy.But I'd also argue that the Bush tax cuts gave the middle class and poor and extra few hundred bucks gone after a handful of trips to the grocery store as a distraction for a cut in taxes for those making millions a year that have lead to record deficits... and not a job to be had despite (wow, surprise, trickle down economics still doesn't work).The U.S. government has its inefficiencies, and a lot of them. But given the size and scope, no more /person and dollar than any corporation. I'd say from recent shenanigans on wall street, your money is better used in government than the private sector of late.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Your hamburger analogy dose not apply to taxes. Why? Because if you don't buy that hamburger, the government won't come to take your property away then haul you off to jail. As for wall street and corporations, in case you didn't notice, major corporations and banks are connected to the government and play a large role in lobbying. The trickle down system works in a free market, if you think that america is in a "free market" at the moment, you'd be wrong, america is currently in a dominated and corporatized market.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

You bought the hamburger when you were born here, in this case. You are free to leave and stop buying the hamburger.And true. You cannot socialize corporate losses while privatizing (and exporting) corporate gains. So you support the Dodd act I take it and are planning to sweep out the republicans blocking it?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Well, here is the thing with Republicans and Democrats... they are the same, they are two parties controlled by the same groups of people that are played against each other for the greater good of whoever is calling the shots. As for the hamburger thing, buying it at birth (when I was obviously not able to make the choice) does not get rid of the fact that the government using violence and force as leverage to get people to is not right, going back to you saying that we have a low tax rate compared to others, well, if most of the world is doing something wrong, its still wrong. As for corporations, I suggest you watch the documentary "Corporation."
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

1. Democrats and Republicans are only the same if you buy into some mass conspiracy of collusion. They have different donors, different policies, and enact different policies when elected every single time from social issues like abortion to whether millionairs get another tax break or we balance the budget. A quick glance at past administrations highlight the difference very clearly if not the money trail.2. We not only have a low tax rate compared to other countries, we have the lowest tax rate in the history of the United States. The frenzy over taxes is 100% a product of manipulation, and the right wing and libertarians are apparently the easiest to manipulate if the debates here and the passion with which anyone who talks sense to you guys is downvoted is any measure.3. I might check out the documentary. I'm certainly of the mindset corporations have way, way too much power.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

1. Stop saying "we have the lowest tax rates" it doesn't matter, if they are high, they are still high, it dose not matter what the rest of the world is doing + we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world.2. If you don't understand that both parties are run by the same people, then your just as asleep as the people who think the Federal Reserve is a federal treasury.3. You should check out the documentary, a little liberal for my taste, but it dose show alot of the problems with corporations, its on netflix if your interested.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

1. No. That lie is repeated 500 times a day by the crazy right. I'll continue pointing out you guys are raging against a lower tax rate than when Regan was president and not a right wing nut shed a tear. So where the taxes are going is bad? Okay, I'll have that argument. But not when it is starting from the false basis that taxes are higher now.2. I don't buy into vast conspiracy theories and I see the difference between the effects of separate policies, which are measurable, so I'm the crazy one. I got it.3. I will.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

I don't care how low they were than and i don't care how low they are in other places, its is irrelevant, taxes are still higher than they should be, its not a "false basis", its people not wanting to be forced (at the threat of jail and property seizure) to give up this much of their money. As for the conspiracy theories, well go ahead by all means think that voting for a democrat over a republican or vice versa will really make a large difference. Sure, some of their members disagree on minor issues like gay marriage and legalization of cannabis, but when it really comes down to it, they are the same.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

First, since the development of the economy, all humans benefited from the free ride of the system because structure is not built overtime, which means my free ride came from my parents generation, and my parents free ride came from my grandparents generation and so forth. Structure is built by capital, and capital takes labor and land. Everyone today free rides from the specialization of labor.Second, government nor high taxes are the reason for America's great wealth or any other developed nation. Wealth is created by the accumulation of capital, which is what differentiates the developed nations from the undeveloped nations.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Would america or any other developed nation would of accumulated such capital(at least as soon) without government? What about the colonies, roads, and so forth? Would they of occurred as soon or at all without government?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Actually, yes, they would have. The colonies were funded by joint stock companies, not the government.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

you do realize that government issued charters and more or less nationalized "companies" such as the east indian trading company had a lot to do with colonization?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Yes, how is capital accumulated? It is saving and investing, in other words, it is using these two functions of production to create wealth. Government is consumption due to the distributive nature and unproductive factors of production. In other words, government doesn't have any assets or equity.How do we know this is true? Africa will always be poor until it starts to accumulate capital and stop big government spending.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Why arbitrary call government spending just spending, instead of investing? Why call government taxing just taxing, instead of saving? Government does far more than merely redistribute money, it spends money based on need more than on profit, meaning unprofitable but needed projects can be accomplish. You will also find that the government is rather certain it's military bases are theirs, and I welcome you to try to actually stake a claim otherwise by openly bypassing security. Even if government merely redistributed money, the manner they redistribute it becomes someone elses savings, increasing what theirs would of been and affecting production, likely in such a way to benefit the politically influential(rich and nobles)Africa, well poor due to poor leadership true, is also poor due to effects of colonolization.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Government does far more than merely redistribute money, it spends money based on need more than on profit, meaning unprofitable but needed projects can be accomplish.The key word here is spends, that all government does, therefore, it is only present consumption, so it is either investing or saving. Saving and investing only comes from productivity because it involves time preferences in future consumption.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

When roads increase economic activity, and thus the amount of taxes gathered, is it merely spending which built the roads or investment?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

How are the roads paid for?Have you ever driven on government roads? The condition of the roads will show that roads are merely present consumption rather than production through investment.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

The difference between the road being there and not being there is evidence that someone wanted to use it in the future at one point after all it had to be built, and they probably used it more than once. Your just grasping at straws now, if all you have to appeal to is such anecdotal and inconsequential things which don't apply to a great majority of roads which a good number of people drive on. Surly, you can make a better argument than that. After all, roads are infrastructure and by the nature of infrastructure are necessarily more than merely "present consumption" as if a road was an apple which disappeared after use or something not expected to be there tomorrow.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

After all, roads are infrastructure and by the nature of infrastructure are necessarily more than merely "present consumption" as if a road was an apple which disappeared after use or something not expected to be there tomorrow.Of course, infrastructure is important, but the market would be much more capable of providing it due to economic calculation, which is essential to efficient production, and government doesn't engage in production, again, it is only consumption.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

They are not theft. Money is an arbitrary system created by man, and creates a totalitarian system whereby how much money you have dictates how many human rights you have.The bottom line is, if you don't want to share what you have, you are selfish. That's it. If you'd rather let someone die or starve or live in poverty so you can benefit, you are the freeloading harmful member of society.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Wait, so your saying that someone who has been living on wellfare all his life isn't freeloading, but when I decide that I want to keep my money that I'm free loading? There is a line between being selfish and not wanting my money taken away by force.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Just because you have money, it doesn't make it "hard earned". We know, and have done, since the poverty studies conducted by the likes of Seebohm Rowntree in the 1800s, that in most cases, people who are poor are not poor through fault of their own. Conversely, most people who are rich are so through the accident of being in the right place at the right time. Explain why it is justified to allow people to have less rights simply because they didn't win the lottery of birth.Rich people are rich because they either sell to the poor or use the poor as workers. Taking money from the rich and redistributing it amongst the poor is not stealing, because the money was stolen in the first place.Yes, there are the scummy chavs who try and milk the system because they are too lazy to work, but they are no worse than the rich people who do just as much work and freeload off the work of those who happen to have been born into a lower class.I'm sorry but, if you are too selfish to help other people, you have to be forced to share, otherwise we end up with a society where the poor are allowed to die on the streets, old people freeze to death in the winter, people suffering from illness aren't helped, and houses are allowed to burn whilst the owners are beaten and robbed. Just because they didn't have enough money.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Thats a stereotype that most rich people were "in the right place at the right time" when a majority of rich people worked hard, them selling to "the poor" is not theft, if you knew anything about economics you would understand that, and they didn't use "the poor" as works, the rich employed them. And actually my money is hard earned, when you work hard at a job and get paid that makes it hard earned. SO if you think they "stole" the money, then you probably don't understand economics to well. As for calling me selfish, I just said that I donate to charities and volunteer my time at soup kitchens and homeless shelters, however, people who don't want to give up their money should not be forced to and calling everyone who doesn't believe in your socialist system of spreading the wealth around "selfish" is over simplifying the issues and shows that you likely have little understanding of economics outside of Capital by Karl Marx and msnbc.And by the way, me volunteering my time and actually helping people makes me more caring and less "selfish" than someone who is forcing people to give their money away.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

And every study on the poor concludes they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And yes, the rich employ the less rich to work for them. But the only way you can make money from workers is by paying them less than their labour is actually worth, otherwise you don't make a profit. That money you don't pay them and keep for profit, was earned by the worker for you. And when you sell whatever you are producing or providing, unless you are a company selling luxury goods, you are marketing it towards the massess, who are majoritively less rich than you. Again, the only way you can make profit is by charging them more than the product/service is worth.  Therefore, your money is taken from those who are less rich in order to make you more rich.I don't follow Karl Marx, and I don't really know what msnbc is, but I'm assuming it's an American news channel probably with a "liberal" bias, or what we in Britain would call, a centrist bias.Great, you volunteer your time and money to charity. Some people don't. They have to be made to do so. Look further than the individual. There are 6 billion of us, and we have to look after eachother. Taking money by force and sharing it may violate the rights of one individual, but not sharing money violates the rights of ten more individuals.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

No one should be forced to pay or work for "charity." No one has a right to money, me not sharing my money doesn't violate anyone's rights because they didn't do anything for it! Not everyone is entitle to something alright, get that into your head, if they want money they can go get it the same way I did, by working! Forcing someone to pay is extortion and forcing someone to work is slavery, so stop acting like your socialist ineptocracy is so just, because its not.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

People have the right to equality, money makes people unequal because the way it is distributed is disproportionate to the work people do.There seems to be this myth that poor people are poor through their own fault. This is not so. A poor person can't just decide to get money, otherwise we'd all be rich. You seem to think that poorer people are just not working hard enough. It's the ignorance of people like you that drove poverty rates and living conditions to their worst back in Victorian Britain. Poverty studies were conducted there that showed the poor are not poor through their own fault, but because they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's why Britain decided we should help each other instead of being selfish arseholes and passed the liberal reforms in the early 1900s. Since then, poverty rates have dropped, health has improved, job satisfaction has increased, and wage labour has been ended.Everyone is entitled to equal rights, or are you of the opinion that you are some kind of higher species of human? You hold outdated beliefs that are out of touch with reality, that most of Europe gave up over 100 years ago.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

Yes everyone has a right to equality, but it depends on what kind of equality your for. I am for capitalist equality where everyone has an equal chance to make money, you seem to believe in socialist equality where everyone gets the same thing. Its not a myth that poor people are poor because of their own fault, you can't just decide to get rich but you can decide to work hard, get a job and get skills. Again with the equality issue and human rights, we all have the same rights, money doesn't determine out rites, so stop trying to make me sound like a nazi who thinks im superior. As for being out of touch with reality why don't you take a look at some places where these systems were implemented. Socialism doesn't bring the bottom up, it slowly tears everyone else down.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: Yes they are theft

That is straight BS.. that every study on the poor concludes they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know you made that none sense up get the F out of here with that BS to try and justify your case.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Do you literally think I made all of that up? Heard of google? Use it. This stuff is high school history.And so you're saying that it's the poor's fault they are poor? So I can safely assume the only reason you aren't a billionare is because you are too lazy to push the button which you apparently think gives people money if they only just decide to do it.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

If a parent has two children, and one child has a bag of sweets (because he happened to be in the kitchen at the right moment, and seized the opportunity), would it be theft if the parent made the child share the sweets? It wouldn't, it would be sharing the sweets so that both children have equal rights. You might object to me comparing citizens to children, but, not wanting to share, selfishness, and self obligation are all qualities that small children have, and hopefully will grow out of. But, as it appears, some people still don't understand why we should be forced to help others.In our society, money IS freedom, because the amount of money you have dictates how many possessions you can own, your living conditions, how healthy you are etc. Aren't libertarians supposed to promote freedom? Surely making sure that everyone has the most freedom possible is the most libertarian thing to do?
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Only if they're used for bullshit systems that filter money to morons, or are spent lavishly on the government's employees.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Theft is predicated on the idea that you owned to money to begin with. Government, however, is predicated on the idea that a percentage of your paycheck actually belongs to them due to services rendered. Basically, if you are a citizen of a country you implicitly agree to follow the laws of the land. One of these laws is that you agree that the government is entitled to a share of your earnings (meaning that the second that money is earned by you, it belongs to the government). It was not stolen because it was never yours. If you are a citizen, you implicitly agree to this. That agreement means that it is not stolen, but rather, is a contract. Now, if you do not agree to this contract anymore, it means you must get out of it and this is done by moving elsewhere and relinquishing the citizenship that binds you to this contract. If the government then came after you for your earnings (ones earned when you were no longer a citizen) then it would be stealing. Now, many may say that they never agreed to such a contract and that you were forced into it upon birth. You would be correct, but this has nothing to do with fairness. Fairness is another issue. Taxes, high or not, are not inherently theft.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Taxes are not theft. No thief would ask you for your money. A robberer or black mailer might however. That said you are free to not contribute to society and live in a luxurious, high tax prison island resort. Surely any society with high taxes has at least a nice accomodation, diet and security in prison, unlike a society with low taxes, where protestors are not treated as nicely. A robberer might take your money but he is not black mailing you with a nice stay. In the meanwhile, if you happen to discover something new about yourself you are free to leave after the sentance expires and pay high taxes instead.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

The law makes a clear distinction. Taxes, even if high, aren't theft. Theft is a legal concept. There is nothing else to it. It is defined by the society in question.
Debate: Are high taxes theft?
Side: No they are not theft

Upon birth you enter a social contract with all the other humans around you who make sure rabid dogs don't eat your tender flesh. You pay back society as an adult able to, with taxes which go to all these things that make sure the next generation has the same advantages you had.You are getting something for it. In fact, you are getting more than you paid into it. No one but Warren Buffet and a few others could afford on their own all the benefits we as a community of people allow ourselves through shared wealth.It's a childish fucking mindset, this "dat dang o' gov'ment stealin my money!" And dangerous if too many fall for it.