azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

At that point in time it's not an offspring, it hasn't officially been born yet, so it's not even technically a child.Also, for the people who truly favor the side of the ant, that is just showing that people have different opinions for what they consider to be valuable or worth less. It's human nature to covet different things, some people covet family over riches, some people prefer it vice versa.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The fetus can still feel pain depending on how old it is in fact it feels more pain than an ant does.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

How do you know a fetus can, and an ant can't?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

I never said an ant couldn't feel pain I said it feels less pain when it dies to how easy it is to kill it
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Well how do you know that? Do you mean relatively? Does that mean killing one elephant is worse than killing one human since relatively the elephant will feel more pain?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Lets say you had a choice between killing your own fetus who can feel pain and an elephant. Which one would you kill? Would you kill your own soon to be child or would you kill the elephant?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

At that point in time it's not an offspring, it hasn't officially been born yet, so it's not even technically a child.I would like to see the scientific evidence that you are using to support these claims of yours. I can provide you links to many science, medical and other sites which prove your assertions (above) wrong.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Which is worse depends on the context of the discussion. Like someone said in some of the other debates, we already have laws in the United States that make the killing of a fetus in some circumstances a crime of murder. If we were to have laws against killing ants, I don't think they would be as severe as that. So, clearly killing a fetus is worse than killing an ant in our present legal context.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

I meant to say non-theists only srry :/
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Worse is subjective.Some could say that the fetus has no brain activity and isn't ensured to do anything as of yet therefore to terminate it is not as bad as terminating a single solitary creature that if it's working in a colony adds a whole new work layer to the ecosystem.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The potential for exactly one ant does not equal the potential for a fetus if it grows up.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

The potential for exactly one ant does not equal the potential for a fetus if it grows up.If the child is a deadbeat: wasted potentialIf the child joins a gang: wasted potentialIf the child becomes a killer: wasted potential.The ant will, by nature, do it's duties for the colony and it will be a small part, but with the help of every small part it will make a great function that humans may not care at all for but ants depend on.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

"Worse is subjective." Trying to gain more points, are we? LOL Are you comparing a fetus to an ant? Before I say anything else I will state for the record, for this case and instance, that I am neither pro-life, nor pro-choice. However, I will state that I am a human and an ant is not a human. I will also state that an animal is an animal; humans are animals and ants are not. I will further state that life is life, regardless of beliefs, correct? And so, Quocalimer. You stand on grass almost everyday right? Unless of course you live on the beach, of desert, or X, Y, Z. Do you not encounter "life" oine way or another. Regardless of your capacity to "respect" all life and its ways, you seem to not appreciate the human life more than the ant life. People "kill" ants, as well as other very small insects constantly; just like some "people" kill fetuses constantly throughout the world. Correct? Which is more important? Between the two, fucking choose. CHOOSE. This is not life or death. You will not be punished and you must choose. Which do you choose? An ant? Or a fetus? And you choose "subjectivity". LOLYou must be agnostic that says "Well, I'm human and humans have many choices, therefore I do not (nor cannot), truly know what is correct or not, therefore I believe that all sides at all times are correct, for ever, and ever." As if any humans can truly step outside of being human and not judge accordingly. Who, and what, are you doing to prove?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Regardless of your capacity to "respect" all life and its ways, you seem to not appreciate the human life more than the ant life.I picked both sides, didn't you see the other? I showed how objectively neither side has more of a right to life than the other, because objectively both can play a ginormous role, or in the great grand scheme of things no role at all.People "kill" ants, as well as other very small insects constantly; just like some "people" kill fetuses constantly throughout the world. Correct?Indeed.Which is more important? Between the two, fucking choose.There is no more important. Life is life. Is it not?You must be agnostic that says "Well, I'm human and humans have many choices, therefore I do not (nor cannot), truly know what is correct or not, therefore I believe that all sides at all times are correct, for ever, and ever."Your sarcasm is wasted on me. I have stated my religious views. Deistic agnostic atheist. Research me if you want to know why, I don't feel like explaining on this debate.Who, and what, are you doing to prove?This was given in in response to this statement from me.As if any humans can truly step outside of being human and not judge accordingly.So based off of what you put to what I put, I don't understand what you mean.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

Life is life. However, you've got an opinion and ants do not. That is indisputable. Therefore, your life is more important than an ants life because there is more meaning for a humans life than an ants life. Trust me, I understand that mother nature is alive and lives. Reeally, this is a matter of a human understanding the importance of its own life, rather than acknowledging that insects, plants, other animals are in fact alive. It's not to take away from the others, however, I am trying to explain how significant the significance of the human life is.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

However, you've got an opinion and ants do not. That is indisputable.How do you know that? One scientists alleged that tomatoes could feel pain. I don't know the authenticity of that study, but if a tomato can feel pain why can an ant not have an opinion. Reeally, this is a matter of a human understanding the importance of its own life, rather than acknowledging that insects, plants, other animals are in fact alive.So because we are sapient we're more important. What if a creature that comes to us and is millions of times more intelligent, to the point where we seem like ants to them, comes along. What then, are our lives now less important than theirs?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

How do you know that? One scientists alleged that tomatoes could feel pain. I don't know the authenticity of that study, but if a tomato can feel pain why can an ant not have an opinion.This is so laughable. Are you seriously telling me that you believe a tomato or an ant has an opinion on anything? Are you seriously pulling the "we don't know card" on this one? C'mon....C'mon....Reeally, this is a matter of a human understanding the importance of its own life, rather than acknowledging that insects, plants, other animals are in fact alive.The problem with that is we cannot speak to ants. I guarantee you that if a species comes around that is "millions times more intelligent" we'd still be able to interact with it, somehow. We cannot interact with ants at all. They have no clue what we are. They just react. Then I'm sure you'll say "how do you know?". Have you ever had a conversation with an ant? You might have tried to speak with it but I guarantee it never spoke back. Point being, humans are special and you choose to believe otherwise. Which is fine, there are many like you. No harm done.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

This is so laughable. Are you seriously telling me that you believe a tomato or an ant has an opinion on anything? Are you seriously pulling the "we don't know card" on this one? C'mon....C'mon....I seriously am, because as you just admitted... we...don't...know. To say anything other than that would just be a lie. I can't say God does or doesn't exist, because I don't know. And in not knowing I can't chastise a belief in him, just as you can't chastise the belief that a creature, who may or may not have thoughts and feel pain, deserves it's life.The problem with that is we cannot speak to ants.Oh no we can't speak to it, for heaven's sake it must die...Oh wait...we can't speak to the fetus either. Hm.I guarantee you that if a species comes around that is "millions times more intelligent" we'd still be able to interact with it, somehow.And how on Earth do you know that? What if they feel we are just simple ants, and before we create the technology to communicate with them, they eradicate us for being so simple? We cannot interact with ants at all.Have you tried? If we can interact with some millions times smarter life form, and they can interact with a millions times less intelligent one. Why can't we interact with a millions times less one?They have no clue what we are. They just react. Then I'm sure you'll say "how do you know?".You are absolutely right! How do you know?Have you ever had a conversation with an ant?Of course not, they 'speak' via pheromones and something to do with the antennae. I'm just an active human that has never taken any classes in communicating with insects.You might have tried to speak with it but I guarantee it never spoke back. You ever try to speak to a fetus? Point being, humans are special and you choose to believe otherwise.That's the one I was waiting to see. That's the most biased thing you've said. Humans are special, you've got to be kidding me. Humans are animals all the same. Humans are only different in our intelligence. If a more intelligent being comes along, we won't be 'special' we'll be ants. If that happens, will that make our lives less important than their fetuses or whatever pre-life forms they take?Now the actual point is this. You, along with everyone posting on the opposing side only, feel that your race is the only important race. I mean human race, not ethnicity, and you feel that your race offers the most and is the most valuable. There's nothing wrong with loving your life, or having pride in your species, but I'm here objectively to show you all that you're not the center of the universe. I mean technically you are but basically you're not. You're an ant to the great grand scheme of things and to think anything more is just wishful thinking.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Non-theists? Another word for that.... can't seem to remember.. OH!! Atheist?!?!?!?I am a theist, but I am pro-choice, so can I participate?I think human fetus has as much value as a human nail, an ant has a life, a very short one, and we should let them live the short period of time they're given in this world :)
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

The potential for a single ant and its possible achievements do not even compare to the possible achievements that a fetus could grab if it grows up.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

At the moment it is a fetus, even fetuses have made probably less achievements than ants.You can't prove they're going to make bigger achievements than ants, they have a very high chance of dying in the first trimester.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So does an ant. A fetus if it grow up will achieve more than an ant that lives. You cant deny that. Also the fetus will turn into a human and can achieve a lot. Much more than an ant.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So does an ant.What does an ant?A fetus if it grow up will achieve more than an ant that lives.You can't prove that. You can't prove that the woman bearing her 5 week old fetus is guaranteed to become a human being and achieve great things.You cant deny that. Deny what? That fetuses can die before they ever become human beings?Also the fetus will turn into a human and can achieve a lot.Again, there is no guarantee for all you mothers out there pregnant with 5 week old fetuses. There is a big chance, especially in the first trimester, that the fetus will die.If not every mother, then probably 50-70% of them have or are going to experience the horror of losing a child during pregnancy.There has never been a guarantee for a fetus to live and become successful in life.Much more than an ant.As an animal rights fighter.. I find this very interesting.You think human beings achieve more than animals?I can assure you, if bugs and stuff like that didn't exist, we wouldn't have plants, if we wouldn't have plants, we would have a seriously small amount of oxygen and probably all living things would die.Don't say ants achieve less than human, they keep you alive. You shouldn't kill anything, not a fetus or an ant - but in this moment the ant is probably more important to keep alive then a human being. Because the ant already is alive, whilst the fetus' life hasn't begun and there is no guarantee it will begin.Make a choice between killing all fetuses and then killing all bugs. If you decide to kill all bugs, then everything will slowly die with them.Kill all fetuses, then people will get over it and new fetuses will soon be conceived.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

You can't prove that. You can't prove that the woman bearing her 5 week old fetus is guaranteed to become a human being and achieve great things.You can prove that a ant does more than a possible human. Also some ants are stepped on. Deny what? That fetuses can die before they ever become human beings?You are chopping up my words now. You cany deny the fact that a fully grown human will achieve more than one ant. Even if you work in a job yiu are doing more than one ant. Again, there is no guarantee for all you mothers out there pregnant with 5 week old fetuses. There is a big chance, especially in the first trimester, that the fetus will die.If not every mother, then probably 50-70% of them have or are going to experience the horror of losing a child during pregnancy.There has never been a guarantee for a fetus to live and become successful in life.I am only talking about a fully grown human. An ant can drown in rain. A small flood can kill a colony. The same thing applies. That argument isnt strong. Especially since I am only talking a living human. As an animal rights fighter.. I find this very interesting.You think human beings achieve more than animals?I can assure you, if bugs and stuff like that didn't exist, we wouldn't have plants, if we wouldn't have plants, we would have a seriously small amount of oxygen and probably all living things would die.Don't say ants achieve less than human, they keep you alive. You shouldn't kill anything, not a fetus or an ant - but in this moment the ant is probably more important to keep alive then a human being. Because the ant already is alive, whilst the fetus' life hasn't begun and there is no guarantee it will begin.Make a choice between killing all fetuses and then killing all bugs. If you decide to kill all bugs, then everything will slowly die with them.Kill all fetuses, then people will get over it and new fetuses will soon be conceived.This isnt about the importance of ants. This is about what can achieve more and in history humans have achived much much more. You cannot deny that if you use any form of primative innovation.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

You can prove that a ant does more than a possible humanActually no - I consider all species equally valueable, and they all achieve some things during their lifetime. I don't know how you understand the word ''achieve''.You cany deny the fact that a fully grown human will achieve more than one ant.Yes, I will deny that.Even if you work in a job yiu are doing more than one ant.Doing more than an ant? Do you even know what ants do?Also some ants are stepped on.What's your point?I am only talking about a fully grown human. Sorry, I'm talking about fetus vs. ants. I didn't know we switched debate topic.An ant can drown in rain.And a human being can fall of a cliff.A small flood can kill a colony. So you think just because it is easier to kill ants, it is justifiable to kill them?I'm not talking about when you accidentally step on an ant, of course that can happen to all and that will probably happen to all. But to kill an ant .. like .. on purpose, that is what I don't think is right.Especially since I am only talking a living human.The debate says ''fetus vs. ants'' - so I guess you are the only one talking about living human beings.This is about what can achieve more and in history humans have achived much much moreHave you read the ant history?? No - they could probably have a history of their own. You can't make such a statement.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

I'm sorry but I cant believe you would defend an ant over our own offspring do you know how seriously fucked up that is.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

An ant has as much value as a fetus in this world. No one has the right to kill anybody or anything.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

And I thought a lot of us religious folk where crazy -.-,while I respect your opinion of an insect having as much value as a human. If you think both are just as important then why are you choosing the ant over the fetus your own offspring, your own unborn children.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

Since the debate was a for/agianst and not perspective, then you have to choose, obviously.The ant's life has already begun, while the fetus .. is just some cells about to evolve to something else.The fetus isn't a human being, in my opinion. Just like I don't think human hair and human blood have higher value than ants, I don't consider human fetuses having more value than ants.I see it as choosing between eating an egg and eating the actual chicken. The chicken is alive, has a conscience and everything, while the egg is .. not an animal yet.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.but depending on how old it is, its more than just some cluster of cells.2.It isn't a human being? So what are you saying? Its an alien until it is born?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

1.but depending on how old it is, its more than just some cluster of cells.true.2.It isn't a human being? So what are you saying? Its an alien until it is born?It is not a human being, but it is human.Just like human hair, human blood, human nails and human skin are all human - but they're not human beings.A human fetus is a human fetus.Just like chicken egg or chicken feather isn't a chicken, it's just a chicken egg and a chicken feather.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So your saying it has to have all the essentials of a human,blood,nails,ears,etc just for it to be human? so going by that logic if a man didn't have both his ears, does that make him not human?
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

So your saying it has to have all the essentials of a human,blood,nails,ears,etc just for it to be humanIn the earliest stages of pregnancy, before the 5th week, the fetus hasn't developed any type of conscience, a brain or any other types of organs.If a man loses his leg or ear or something like that, he isn't any less of a human being. But if he lost his brain or his conscience (and narcosis is not included, since it puts you out of conscience for a limited period time) then I think he has lost a very big part of his humanity.I don't consider fetuses under 5 week old higher valued than ants.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.In the earliest stages of pregnancy, before the 5th week, the fetus hasn't developed any type of conscience, a brain or any other types of organsthat's true yes but after that it begins to.2.Ok but do you see how you kinda contradicted yourself you said you don't count narcosis or anything else that puts a human unconscious for a limited time. Yet a human fetus is only unconscious for a limited time as well.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

that's true yes but after that it begins to.You can't prove that.Ok but do you see how you kinda contradicted yourself you said you don't count narcosis or anything else that puts a human unconscious for a limited time. Yet a human fetus is only unconscious for a limited time as well.Yes I see that, but you can't prove that the unconscious fetus with no brain, no organs is going to become human.A man who's put in narcosis has both a brain and other organs.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.facepalm so your saying it does not begin to develop a brain?2.Are you saying the women pregnant with the young fetus with no brain can have a miscarriage or abortion? Is that what you meant by " you can't prove that the unconscious fetus with no brain, no organs is going to become human."
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Fetus

1.facepalm so your saying it does not begin to develop a brain?When did I say that? I didn't say it didn't begin to develobe a brain, I just said you can't prove there is ever going to be a brain.
Debate: Whats worse? Killing a Fetus or killing an ant (non-theists)
Side: Ant

but most likely it will.