Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Oh good grief man! I was arguing with Centifolia! I can throw anything into a political debate with her and win (no offense to her). She thought al Qaeda was a person... come on! Yes, I was wrong about Iraq... but I was kind of rushing through her list of FIFTY achievements. The War on Terror is how I define that whole ordeal, and I was thinking of The War on Terror. I was clearly wrong and noticed that early on, but you had to be SO pompous, I couldn't admit that you proved me wrong... so I just threw in some shit. You might not believe me, but I do just come up with some random shit every now and then for the hell of it (I once argued that Jesus was the son of the planet Venus... just because I figured I could come up with a good argument for it lol). Of course I couldn't find any links to support my Iraq argument... so I started saying I wasn't going to read your links, just to piss you off lol. Sorry. It was my last hurrah, so to speak. So, since you want to keep insulting me... which, I can't have you leaving thinking I'm an idiot... I'm going to give your arguments my full attention and give you the responses I assume you were looking for (well, you probably just wanted me to agree with you... but whatever). By the way, I easily get Iraq confused because I was a teenager at the time of the war, well... at least in it's early years. It's safe to say that world events were not really on my radar then... which is somewhat embarrassing looking back at it... but I can't have you trying to insult my intelligence. That just doesn't make anyone feel good... so anyways, here ya go! Oh... and I'll make sure to include A LOT of links.1) Health Care ReformOkay, here's the thing with Obamacare... we don't know how it's going to effect us. Saying it's going to be a good thing takes a certain amount of faith, as does saying it will be a bad thing. My stance is that I'd rather not take the risk and I don't like socialized healthcare. The government screwed up something as simple as the website, what will happen when they take over our healthcare!? I guess we're just going to have to wait and see...Obamacare isn't projected to make any significant reductions to the deficit until the long run (about ten years from now). In the short run (within those first ten years), the sequester will reduce the deficit more. However, the ACA is planned to last, where as the sequester will end in 2021... and the sequester isn't necessarily seen as a good thing.In the first ten years, Obamacare is supposed to increase the deficit. It was originally projected that it wouldn't and Obama even said "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future". So Obama signed it... and then made changes (one-year delay in employer mandate, etc.), which was a really sneaky move. So now it's estimated that Obamacare will increase the deficit in those first ten years. Which is a good example of why I don't have much trust in career-politicians. The predictions are kind of all over the place though, a good example would be the GAO. This all brings me back to my point, we don't know what to expect with Obamacare2) StimulusSince we were debating the debt increase under Obama compared to Bush, I'll just address that again.Obama surpassed Bush in 2012, so when I said that Obama increased the debt more in his first three years, than Bush did his entire eight years in office... I wasn't wrong. You just assumed that I meant Jan. '09- Jan '12... but he actually didn't pass Bush until March '12. So... what's the debt now? About $17 trillion. So if the debt was about $10.6 trillion when Obama took office, then... well, you can do the math.Now, the financial collapse! I assume that you think it was Bush's fault entirely... which isn't true. Whether you believe that or not, I'll give you a list of the causes (the order doesn't really mean anything btw).1. Commercial and investment banks merged- After the Great Depression, a law was passed that separated commercial and investment banks. In 1999, the bill was repealed.2. The Federal Reserve dropped interest rates to 1%- This occurred in 2000, after the dot-com bust.3. Corrupt credit agencies- Moody's, Standard & Poor's and Fitch all gave shitty securities AAA ratings, in order to keep clients happy and make more money.4. Unregulated derivatives- AIG was able to write $3 trillion in derivatives, but didn't have enough money to cover those claims.5. SEC loosened capital requirements for Wall Street Banks- Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns were allowed unlimited leverage and ended up borrowing more than they should have.6. Banks no longer had to comply with state anti-predatory lending laws- National lenders began selling risky loan products, which resulted in borrowers defaulting and a big increase in foreclosure rates.7. Selfish Wall Street Executives gambling- They took huge risks, and if they hit their targets... they got paid. If their investments were to eventually collapse, they aren't effected.I'll stop there. You can read the rest here.3) Passed Wall Street ReformObama's wall street reform is not what it should have been. Neil Barofsky, a Democrat who oversaw TARP, gave Obama's Dodd-Frank Act an F rating. Part of this is because Obama and his administration refused to split up the big banks.I'm not going to say the Dodd-Frank act is a complete failure, but it's definitely not deserving of an A rating or even a B... maybe a C, but most likely a D. Anyways, here's an article featuring the opinion of sixteen experts regarding what's been good and what's been bad with Obama's Wall Street Reform.4) IraqAh... the topic that led to those pompous insults of yours lol. As I explained up above, I was thinking of the War on Terror as a whole. You proved me wrong, but I really did not feel like saying "Yep... you're right!". Here is what I know, without looking anything up (you probably won't believe me, but whatever!). We went to war with Iraq because we thought they were safe-harboring al Qaeda, which ended up being false. Some people even think that Bush declared war on Iraq to finish what his father left from the Gulf War. Is that good or am I missing something? I think I do have the basic gist of it, I just don't know too many of the details.5) AfghanistanObama has sent over 60,000 troops to Afghanistan since he took office, which is double the amount that were sent under Bush and more soldiers have died under Obama, than Bush.6) Osama bin ladenBush closing Alec Station was considered to be a good move at the time. It allowed the CIA to better focus their efforts on finding Bin Laden... it actually says so in the article that you provided. Did Bush say they weren't focused on finding Bin Laden? Yeah, but I think he was full of shit. We know for a fact that the CIA was searching aggressively for Bin Laden leading up to his death. Obama gets the honor of having the defeat of Bin Laden occur under his presidency.7) U.S. Auto IndustryI gave Obama credit for this one, so I don't think I need to go into any more detail.8) Recapitalized BanksDoesn't this fall under the Dodd-Frank Act? How did it end up on the list twice? 9) Don’t Ask, Don’t TellI can't really do anything but give him credit for this... but it really should have been an easy choice for a president serving these last few years, especially a Democrat.10) Moammar GaddafiOkay, that's fine... but didn't the UK, France and the rebels play a larger role in the defeat of Gaddafi? That doesn't make Obama's role obsolete, but it was a joint effort. Ah, whatever. I'll give it to him.Alright! There ya go, links and stuff! lolI'll make sure to respond to the other topics later.