Debate: First gay couple on disney channel
Side: The kids are too young

You have changed your entire line of argumentation.Not really, right from the beginning my main thesis was that the dichotomy "you either chose to be A or A is inborn", is false because there are other possible alternatives. I just didn't spell it out like that because to me the implication seemed obvious.And, you disproved a genetic link to gayness by saying that addiction has no genetic link. You also claim that addiction has a genetic link.Your every sentence twists everything I say several times.I said that it's false that every addiction has a genetic link.I did not claim some addiction has a genetic link, I only suggested that, contrary to your claims, gayness does not have these special qualities which set it apart form drug addiction and which do not allow using my logic with regard to it, the way I use it regarding drug addiction. I.e. i was countering your argument that "unlike with being gay, you have to first try a drug to become an addict" with "just like with gayness, we can speculate about an inborn aptitude which might compel someone to try taking some drug".You are promoting the idea that it is normal to have homosexual urges you propagandist.Again, you are twisting my words. I never said it's normal for teenagers to have homosexual urges. I said these urges can take place, but they are caused by hypersexuality and cannot be used to stereotype these teenagers as being "gay". Also, this might sometimes be the only form of sex available to them.These teens may also try to bang a lifeless object or an animal - does that mean they were born with fetishism or bestiality? Certainly not.This law does not forbid any mention of homosexuality. Explaining that homosexuality is harmful and should be avoided is not a perpetration of the law - and that's the kind of thing I would expect from normal sex education.You are comparing freedom to go into a bathroom that you feel you belong in with to a fine for saying it is OK to have gay sex? Well, the first is much worse because it obviously opens tons of opportunities for perverts. The law doesn't contain special age restrictions, so an 18-year-old dude may claim he feels he's "female" and get a ticket for unlimited voyeurism in girls' toilets.At least you recognize how stupid your law isIts wording is not perfect, but the intention is right. At least it will prevent indoctrination of teens with the "born this way" bullshit.YOUR ANSWER DIDN'T SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF MY QUESTION. Your answer was playing hockey while my question was playing baseball.Your questions were:In what way is gay sex giving up? Which social norms can be broken without giving up?The answers were all there in my reply:1. Becoming gay is giving up because the person is choosing to stop resisting the pressure of society and takes up the path of "least resistance". He makes a sissy out of himself, just to solve psychological problems - but this is not the solution. Maybe I didn't elaborate enough on this: if a man takes every concept of society to be true, he may come to a point when he receives the implied message "you are not a man" - under certain circumstances.While many of these concepts are stupid and are not really about masculinity.2. So, the social norms to be broken are the ones which project social concepts of masculinity. That doesn't mean not being masculine, it just means being anarchist towards society if it demands too much. By demands here I mean implicit demands. This is more about the situation in Russia.Another important fact: there are still some tribes left in the world, whose society is that of prehistoric times. In those of them which do not link availability of females to performance during hunting - there is no homosexuality.That's way better than the alternative of pushing people to choose something and then say they were fully responsible for their decision and should be punished. Not saying you do that, but your version isn't really that disgusting.I don't do it, and the new Russian law does not provide punishment for being gay.However it's true that stopping the "born this way" indoctrination is just part of the solution. Teaching men to resist social projections is the other important part, and of course this is not mainstream in Russia.