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Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Communism

Why would communists want to move to a minimally progressive non-communist society?I need to read more of Lenin, but what I have read of him tends to be countered by Marx in some fashion. Its why I have started to considered Marxist-Leninism as an oxymoron, at least when applied in certain manners and a good number of American communist have done likewise, often rejecting things like vanguardism and the like, or in other words they may be described as classical Marxists, and if they are marxist-lenists, they tend to be trotskyists. Marx is one of the most misrepresented people of history, he even wrote to his son-in-law who was advocating some ideology that was claimed to be based on Marxist principles that "if that is Marxism, then I am not a Marxist." I think he could say the same to numerous other so called "marxists", such as stalin, mao zedong, etc.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Well move to cuba .
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Cuba isn't communist either.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Cuba isn't communist either.Wow, what delusional drugs are you taking? Communist denial.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

What delusional drugs are you taking? Ones that apparently make you think an attempt to be communist makes you a communist. It doesn't. It's like saying you're a Christian even though you commonly commit murder. Trying to be something and failing doesn't make you the something you failed at trying to be.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Have you even payed attention to what communism is? There has never been a purely communistic society in history, and its very probable that there never will be. You are beginning to sound like McCarthy.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Ha Cuba is a wonderful place, I am from cuba you don't even know what it is like.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Considering China isn't communist, why would we believers of communism move there? That's like telling every hyper-liberal in this country to move to Texas; it makes little to no sense.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

because it is socialist and the closest county to communism.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Except it's not. I don't think you understand what communism is.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

actually I do and I did not make that statement it has been agreed on by many people
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

Preach it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Whether you believe it or not a capitalistic society is run by consumers "the people". If the people want local organic food and that is what they buy then the corporations and businesses provide it for the people. If the people don't want gas then they stop buying it and companies provide something els or they all go out of business. America is what we have made it and we can make it anything we want thanks to capitalism. I you want to go live in a commune and grow your own food and run around naked=) then you can if you want to make tons of money and live in a mansion you can. Capitalism is awesome.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Actually, whether or not local organic food is available depends on a large number of factors, demand is just one of them. Consider climate, technology, economies of scale, political institutions, etc.Wealth is also not a function of one variable(effort or desire), but actually has a lot to do with your ancestors. After all, if it was just a function of desire, wouldn't we all be rich?
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

You are nit picking those are examples of my argument. Everywhere in America you can grow something you have water you have soil you have seeds then you can grow something local and organic.  I know wealth is not a function of one variable but basically if you don't want money you wont get it and if you do then you'll do whatever you can to get it and if you want it but don't want to do anything to get it then you blame your ancestors and hope that someday your country turns communist so other people have to work to get YOU something.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Its generally true, try to find one counterexample.Good luck growing anything valuable other than evergreen trees and timber during the winter in the north of America with just water, soil and seeds. Even if you can grow an ever green, that doesn't mean you can grow it profitably if your neighbor has more soil than you, since economies of scale will kick in and he will sell his product below what is profitable for you till your business disappears from lack of customers.  Just because you'll do anything to get it doesn't mean you will get it, and it may very well be that your grandfather lost his farm to the sands(look up dust bowl) so him and his son had to move to an urban center, work as unskilled laborers in some factory, leaving you with little to no inheritance, a crummy education and so on and so forth. Consider the reasons why poverty is higher amongst minorities, particularly blacks, could it be that their schools tend to be less effective and their jobs lower paying, and could those conditions be such due to previous segregation, enslavement, and so on or so forth, or is it just because they actually want to live in their crummy small apartments with the heroin addict next door and put up with their violent gang bangin cousins down the road(or perhaps they just don't wanna try)? Seriously, self-interest is inherent to every human, people are not poor because they consciously choose to act against their self-interest.btw, owning your own means of production generally means your the one working at what ever productive machine you own, unless you employ people :)
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: capitalism

well its been fun guys but I've got to go to work now. Ill be back though this is a lot of fun even though I'm varsity out numbered in this Communist favored debate. I wont take it personally that you all think I'm an idiot. I know I'm right and thats what matters to me, oh and of the majority opinion in America =) Have a good day.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

The truth of a matter is not a popularity contest, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum Although, it is understandable how having the agreement of most peers and elders may raise your esteem. Its createdebate, it is usually fun :) come back!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

What people don't realize is that the private sector is very able. BoAllow me to present you with this situation (my father is the head of neuro at Mercy Hospital in Chicago):He often see's women, in their early 20's, with 4 tattoos, 2 packs of cigarettes, an iPhone 4, and they have 5 kids. WHAT?! There is NO damn reason for these people to have all of that! Oh yeah, and they "hurt" their ankle on the job, so they're collecting disability. And they're on welfare. I totally believe in helping 65 year old war veterans, but NOT 20 year olds who think that they're too good for McDonald's.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

You've definitely enlightened me somewhat, but please, there is NO excuse to have 5 children and smoke cigarettes while you're below the poverty line. There is simply NO reason. You need to wake up and smell the drugs that these people are cooking in the projects and realize that SOME people are just LAZY. It's as simply as that. Even if your mother is a crack smoking prostitute who is constantly bringing home guys and is rude and ignorant, that is NO excuse for you to grow up to be that. If you've stepped one foot outside of your house you have to have SOME idea of what is right and what is wrong. Enough with the blame game.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

You've definitely enlightened me somewhat, but please, there is NO excuse to have 5 children and smoke cigarettes while you're below the poverty line.I've just explained what the general excuse is. Even if they can't explain it themselves, a psychologist can tell you exactly why cigarettes and sex help people cope with being born into poverty. If you think there's simply no reason, then you obviously can't even attempt to imagine exactly how difficult it is to be poor.You need to wake up and smell the drugs that these people are cooking in the projects and realize that SOME people are just LAZY.Believing that any person who's suffering is lazy is only an excuse to ignore their plight. Don't be that way. Nobody, in the history of human existence, has been so lazy as to choose doing no work and suffer as opposed to sincerely trying.I know it's hard to believe that there are so many people suffering out in the world because our system won't allow them to get above their current positions due to our system's extreme flaws, but... you need to be realistic.And I assume you're just being unrealistic, because if you weren't being unrealistic thinking the way you are, then you'd instead be being utterly evil.Even if your mother is a crack smoking prostitute who is constantly bringing home guys and is rude and ignorant, that is NO excuse for you to grow up to be that.Really...? Have you ever grown up with a mother who is a crack smoking prostitute who is constantly bringing home men alongside being rude and ignorant? ... No?Then shut the hell up. You don't know shit about what it's like to be poor and what it does to a child.If you've stepped one foot outside of your house you have to have SOME idea of what is right and what is wrong.Of course you would; everyone who's ever lived has had SOME idea of what is right and wrong. But if you are so unfathomably poor, so culturally and mentally and physically and financially rejected from even Middle Class society, then what is right and wrong? What is right and wrong when you have to fight to survive every day?Stop applying your morals and ideals to suffering, starving people whom have to commit crime and cheat everyone around them just so they can eat. If you would just open your eyes and really try to put your own consciousness in those sort of shoes, you'd soon realize exactly how much of a fool you are to think that these people are homeless and starving because they CHOOSE to be!Enough with the blame game.How about... no? Not that? Hm... what about... no? Huh? I can't say no? Well then, good day, sir. If you want to sit in your fantasy world where all suffering, starving, unfortunate people in this country are put that way by their own choice, then be my guest. I hope your offspring see past such ignorance and grow to be a better person then you.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

You have done something that happens very rarely on this site, you've changed my point of view almost entirely. I'm sorry to have caused such hostility. Let's agree on something. Welfare is very, very broken.. Throwing money at people does no good. Would you, perhaps, be in support of government run system that TEACHES impoverished people about making the right societal decisions? Can you please admit that some people are lazy, however? I know from personal experience. I worked at a soup kitchen for 1 year. Watched the same sane people come in and out daily for that year. I found jobs in the newspaper and online. They have access to both. (Public Library).There are many, many cases of hard working lower-middle class SINGLE moms who work three jobs to support their 2 kids. They aren't on welfare. Why aren't they on welfare? Because they MIRACULOUSLY found a job? No! Look me in the eyes, metaphorically, and tell me that there isn't ONE job in you're city.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

I think it's safe to say that you've entirely changed my point of view... You must forgive me, I've never understood how truly poor and uneducated someone could be if they were brought up in some of the slummiest conditions in America.But, would you, perhaps, be in support of government run, totally free education for all people of all financial statuses? It would solve a lot of problems for the Lower Class, and better help to uplift them alongside entitlements.Yes, of course, that sounds ideal. And you have nothing to be sorry about, I often get explosive when I'm fired up in a debate.And also, I do FIRMLY believe that the best medical treatment and the best education should be available for everyone.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

I think it's safe to say that you've entirely changed my point of view...I think it's safe to say that you're the first person I've ever met on this website who has opposed me and actually change their mind. You have made my faith in humanity flourish... which could be called a narcissistic quality of me, but you have to have faith in yourself to have faith in everyone else. Especially if you're correct.Thank you.You must forgive me, I've never understood how truly poor and uneducated someone could be if they were brought up in some of the slummiest conditions in America.You are forgiven.Since the dawn of American mock capitalism, big bucks have always taken up the big power. Successfully, corporations have, for over a century, brainwashed our culture into generally believing that it's right to look down upon the common laborer and/or impoverished person. They want the majority of America to believe that the creation of the Lower Class has nothing to do with the actions of the Upper Class, even though it has only to do with the actions of the Upper Class.But since they have the big bucks, have the ability to influence culture this way with the propaganda they buy. Brainwashery is cheap when you can get unlimited money from people that work for you.Forgive me as well if my proclamation of you being brainwashed (though now cured) by corporatism is an insult to your intelligence and, therefore, honor. Yes, of course, that sounds ideal.Everything that has to do with real communism is ideal... such as free, uplifting tools like education. And housing. And food. And...You get my point, ha ha.And you have nothing to be sorry about, I often get explosive when I'm fired up in a debate.Who doesn't? I can't exactly not feel sorry for my humanity... considering my humanity also includes a conscious. Though I appreciate the sentiment.And also, I do FIRMLY believe that the best medical treatment and the best education should be available for everyone.This is why you shouldn't listen to the far left or far right in politics either. Socialist and communist ideals are a good thing in relation to human living conditions, such as education and medical treatment. ;D
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: CCCP workers & peasants party

Yeah Rorschach's mom was a total whore his whole life and he became the greatest superhero in comic book history!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Considering, the experience of my country (former-Soviet Autonomous Kazakh Socialistic Republic), when there were not any basic freedoms that we have right now ( freedom of expression, freedom of choice, freedom of religion) life is way better than back in the time. The "legacy" of communism still has its impact on the abandoned villages and manufactures. The soil has been destroyed, because central government wanted to squeeze as much as possible from farmers and wheat-growers. I am not blaming USSR in the all current problems in modern Kazakhstan, moreover there were a lot of heavy industry developed during 70-s. However Semey nuclear tests, is now ecologically unstable region. The rattle is dying number of Semey region citizens have radioactive diseases. Furthermore the land is not useful anymore for more than 200 years. Even though there were some beneficial things USSR did to Kazakhstan, still there are a lot destructive problems that came with the breakdown from Soviet Union. If I were to go back I would not be joining Communist, but it is what it is, and I am glad we live in capitalistic modern society where you will not be oppressed and have basic freedoms.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Maybe the real question should be is "Free Market Capitalism" (Reaganomic Capitalism) better than a "Democratic Capitalism"(my parents generation was the last of the great generations (I grew up in the 1960's).Good paying jobs were abundent,the American worker was the backbone of the country,and "Made in America" kept the whole country employed."Free Market Capitalism" is just as bad as COMMUNISM.Fewer Americans have the realistic opportunity to reach the "American Dream" than at anytime in history.
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

Hey I couldn't find "What Real Communism Is" by this Carl Marks guy. I'm assuming that along with the asshats in D.C. right now, some of the idea is to control the markets. Pick winners and losers, subsidizing or paying for goods from the companies, state-funded, that get passed around to all the people. Which completely destroys any semblance of competition and improvement. Competition in the free market spurs innovation. The corporatist plots to save struggling companies that needed to go under in a healthy business cycle of what should be a free market, was opposed by virtually everyone. Yet there are still people blaming it on capitalists? Hey talk to the heads of those companies and they'll probably tell you it was a great idea, but they're the corporatists who came up with it. People, especially self-proclaimed "communists" always talk about the evils of capitalism. Let's talk about the evils of Unions for a second. Do you know in some states there's a costly review for service businesses that are just starting up, if there is a unionized group that offers the same service, entrepreneurs (the people that cause economy growth and standard of living improvements) aren't allowed to start the business. Did you know that shortly after the new deal, since Black people weren't allowed to join construction unions in some states, they would just offer their services for slightly less, providing competition in the market (the thing that causes economic growth and standard of living improvements) so the unions, who couldn't stand those niggers taking their jobs (see a parallel?) lobbied local governments into making it ILLEGAL to offer a service for less money than unions. Effectively putting all of these workers who were providing a valuable service at a better price out of work. Unions are pretty god damn bad organizations. In some states less than 1% of teachers are fired annually for performance-related issues. Are teachers really that good? Every university in the whole damn country must be pretty good at making teachers right? Or it's just impossible to fire a teacher even if they aren't teaching kids well enough. Anyone see how that might cause some problems for the kids they are educating? If one thing is clear about capitalism and communism, it's that capitalism can take anything and make it faster, cheaper, stronger, smarter, and with a nicer paint job, in half the time it would take a public sector. The period of incredible growth this country experienced when so many new technologies and sciences were born, literacy spread like pubic lice and the standard of living increase took our life expectancy to about where it is now, happened in almost completely unregulated, unmeddled, free markets, where businesses were free to live and die in the name of progress and had no influence over the government, or vice versa. And the companies that fucked up, got sued, in the wonderful court system we have that, at the time, wasn't crowded by people smoking a plant like people have done for four thousand years! YAAAAAAAAAY CAPITALISM!
Debate: WHATS BETTER CAPITILISM OR COMMUNISM
Side: Capitalism

You're implying that Unions improved working conditions. Unions did nothing to that effect. They organized the workers true, but the same thing could have arisen if one person took a company to court for not providing safe working conditions. The advance of technology through capitalism is what brought us these excellent working conditions we're comfortable with now.I believe that a lot of my point was that Communism is simply impossible for the time being. It hast to come from the bottom up, and include everyone. Right now people are still trying to scramble up the socioeconomic ladder, a process only possible in capitalism. My big problem with the communist crowd that's around today, is that they keep espousing the evils of capitalism, when they really owe more to capitalism than any one person or visionary. Capitalism is the best way to get us from A (cavemen) to B (scientific and technological limits) because people want to earn something for discovering it, aside from just recognition. That's not how I feel necessarily but it is how most people feel. So yes, maybe in a few centuries, when everything that could ever be invented is, we can be communists and see that it's the only way to exist with things being like they will be. As for the here and now however, communism will simply not work. Capitalism may have some nasty pilot fish tagging along but it's the only reasonable way to achieve fast progress.As for the soda thing, you have the power as a consumer to gather other consumers who enjoy the drink and ask the company to start selling it in your area again. What they're gonna say, "No, we don't want to make any more money, sorry, we're not going to sell it there." ?