Debate: Abortion is a selfish action to alleviate an undesirable consequence
Side: True

you go ahead and do that. But no matter what you think you're doing, you are punishing an innocent woman, who've been raped not only physically, but also the raper fucked her mind up for life.And no matter what the reason your killing an innocent child.If you're okay doing that.. really I can't see why the world has become this.I'm not ok with rape, I just know its not an excuse to kill children.You're saying to a raped woman: Hey, it was your rapist who committed a crime. His baby did nothing, so please be his mother.The baby did nothing, regardless of how it came to be alive, it is now alive. The child did nothing to the mother and the child, like all other humans, has a right to life.You're saying that to a woman, who .. probably is never going to be the same just because of the rape. And then you can make yourself ASK her.. seriously, I would like you to ask a woman face to face, who just got raped by her father or something, to not kill the result of the crime, because of what?!?!?! Because the child didn't do anything? THE MOTHER DIDN'T DO ANYTHING EITHER except being a victim to a crime.Again, doesn't matter. Your killing a kid, I don't care if its because of rape or the trauma that follows it, the kid did nothing and has a right to live. You can try and slant it to "oh woe is me, I'm trying to protect the mother" well your trying to kill a kid, that is that.You must have a sad sad life.Did you listen to anything I said? Sex is to reproduce, but, you can use it for other purposes we all do. Understand? Good! However, if your doing it for fun with your girlfriend/boyfriend, you still have to remember there is a chance of you having a baby.Yeah but the result is the same. No baby. You said yourself: So? Just cause something isn't conscious its not alive? A baby has a visible heart and lungs after a week or two, is that alive? No the result is two different things. Condoms stop the egg from ever being fertelized, thus stoping the baby from being alive. If the egg is not fertelized than its NOT ALIVE, once it is though, than it is and an abortion is when you kill the fetus which is a alive. Understand? The sperm making a baby is alive. It is moving around. And blabla. The difference between me and you is, that you think that a sperm is not valuable for life .. me I think that it doesn't matter whether you kill a sperm or a fetus. The result is the same.Sperm isn't alive, the egg isn't a live, when they meet they create life. Do you have any knowledge on this subject besides "what if you get raped?!?!?"Well no actually. I thought we debated abortion her, not murder?If your talking about a woman killing her child we're on a different debate.I'm talking about women who kill fetuses, not children.Abortion is murder, a fetus is an unborn child not some left over product of sex that you own. Killing a fetus is killing a child, if you look at it in any scientific way you would understand this.See, this is where I have to say, that debating with you is pointless if you will continue saying fetuses are children. Sure. AFTER the fetus has become human, then it should be illegal to kill them.But scientifically fetuses aren't human. That is scientifically proved, it was never scientifically proved, that black people weren't human.The fetus is a human, no scientist has ever been able to prove that a fetus is not human, the only evidence they have is that up until a cetrain stage i the pregnancy they are not conscious there is a difference. So yes you are killing a child... Unless you consider anythign that isn't conscious to be dead, so next time your sleeping or passed out at a party someone should kill you and say "well she wasn't conscious, so she wasn't alive to begin with, actualy no IT wasn't alive to begin with"