azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

With the flood of them that's been posted lately not getting sucked in is a feat. I don't mean to insult you, and maybe it's my lack of historical knowledge that makes me think your argument is weak, but the you have been wording it up to now just didn't even sound like you.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I know its just that gun control for instance is something I research regularly and I know every argument ever made for and against it, I've come up with counter arguments for all the popular supporting arguments ahead of time so I'm never caught off guard. This however is more difficult essentially up to this point I've been asked to provide proof to back up faith based beliefs. You can prove gun control doesn't work you can prove its backfired. And you can prove that the logic behind it is flawed in nearly every way. But this you can't prove. You can't prove God did some thing or even that he is real anymore than you can prove otherwise. Both positions require faith. And trying to show proof for what only faith can show you is like like trying to find firm footing in sinking sand.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

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Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

You do realize that although man is made in God's image, since the fall from grace they are only a remnant of what he is? Get your facts straight. Man is also born in sin and iniquity and are now inherently evil.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

God is too busy building his kingdom and he is having all the troubles in the world with the chinese labourers and there #ucking bamboo scaffolding,it just doesnt work after the 1,000,000 th floor of his massive structure that has to house all the dead christians that died waiting in the last 2000 years let alone who is still alive today waiting,dont worry if you were born after 1991 then he still promises heaven but you may be house in a tent for while until the #ucking bamboo problem is fixed
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

What on earth are you talking about? If this was a joke, use full stops, take you more seriously that way.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

No its not. You see God gave man over to this earth and the things of it and so as a result of God giving the earth to man you see in the past that we had wars, slavery, racism, famine and other things happen as a result to man's sin and because of that we are the one's that cause wars, slavery, famine, and other things to happen it wasn't God who did because He gave us the command to rule this earth but people decided to do those things and as a result you see that it isn't God's fault but our fault for causing all of this.Did God cause pollution down in L.A? No God didn't do that it was the people who lived down in L.A that caused it because they were driving too much.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Wait why are you talking about L.A all of a sudden? .
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

A lot of people like to blame God and think God caused all of this evil in our world by allowing it so I picked the pollution down in L.A because God didn't make the cars but we did. We were the ones that caused the pollution not God because God made us in his own image and gave us to the earth and so as a result you see the pollution in countries and when you look at our past there has been wars, famine, slavery, racism, genocides, and other horrible things happening as a result of man.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I like how you keep saying god and thanks for explaining it .
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

You're welcome Delta! :D
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

The argument against God's love goes like this:'X is undesirable without a shred of doubt' , 'God could have prevented X effortlessly' , 'Therefore God doesn't love mankind'You answer to this argument goes like this:'We caused X' , 'God gave us free will' , 'Therefore God can't be blamed for X'But notice that such a reply doesn't answer the skepticism. God might not be to blame for the Holocaust, but if he loved mankind he would have stepped in regardless of whether he had anything to do with it.Let's talk about a hypothetical scenario:A guy is in love with a girl, in fact he is married to her, and she is on a vacation to India in 2003. She happens to be in India the day the tsunami hit, so she panics, can't get home and calls her husband, and begs for him to come to India to help her. His answer is utter silence. Eventually she dies, and the husband shows no sign of remorse; there's no indication that he cares about the death of his wife. Everybody who is not is friend is highly critical of his attitude and kind of stops believing that such a psychopathic husband could actually exist. All his friends however insist that there's nothing wrong with the husband because he wasn't to blame for the tsunami. Can you guess who the husband is?
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I do not pretend to understand God the way I should. .
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

The killing of the jews was to stop the killing of people without the Holocaust we wouldnt be humain or the UN wouldnt be created
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

God gives humankind free will. It follows that some individuals would then choose bad instead of good, right?
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Great video thank you for the link, I am dumb founded how the fuck certain people can't seem to understand this lol, maybe it's a mental block like how we can't teach a dog to build a house I don't know, all I know is some people are unable to grasp the reasoning or just don't want to, either way it's a sign of ignorance, and I mean that with great pity, maybe some people are less evolved who knows at this point, but anyways thanks for the video I saved it for counter arguments.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I'm mostly speaking for myself when I say there is no mental block. You need to understand the circumstances of many people's religion.That video made a lot of sense tome, I'm not going to deny that it was mostly logical and coherent, but it doesn't mean I'm going to completely drop my faith. My whole life I've been raised Christian, gone to church, and been surrounded mostly by Christians. This may or may not excuse an alleged unreasonable belief, but it's not like I came to the conclusion I did left to my own devices. I hate how common the presumption of all religious people having a lowered intelligence is made.What you just said may have seemed benign, but to me it came off as extremely arrogant and pretentious.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I understand, I myself grew up Christian and many if not all of my family and friends are still Christians, they are good intelligent people for the most part.Being religious is not a bad thing so long as it doesn't blind a persons logic and reasoning, you can have faith and still question things that sound fishy, you can have faith and still take science as truth, religious faith in a higher power is not a bad thing so long as that person learns to use logic and reasoning with that faith, they have to see things for what they are, I myself use logical faith that there is something greater then we could ever imagine or understand, I just won't believe the biblical version of faith because my logic and reasoning sees to many inconsistencies and contradictions.Is there a god I truly don't know but I am sure no single person of earth can tell me there is or isn't a god with a 100% fact, those people are not using reason to justify there beliefs, they are using blind faith and to me that defies reason and logic if that makes any sense.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I grasped the reasoning but it raised more problems than answers though.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Humans have free will?
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Yes we do:And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.Joshua 24:15If God controlled us then he would not allow Joshua to say that. It sounds like he is just arguing with himself in a stupid doll house. There are others that show free will but.....
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Arminians bring this verse up all the time. The problem with it is this: compatibilism accepts that humans perceive choice. Free will verses can be reconciled to the Calvinistic view point; divine determinism verses cannot to the Arminian view point.Would you like for me to start showing you the deterministic verses?Also, this verse that you picked out is sarcasm: it is a rebuke because they had been dealing with idols. It is not necessarily that they had an absolute choice in any matter.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Yes the verses can be. Armenianism is more complicated than what you may think, it is not that man has choice and that is it. Of course I would like for you to bring them forward.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

John 15:16 -- "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."Romans 8:28-30 -- "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified."Romans 12:3 -- "For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned."Ephesians 1:4-5,11 -- "even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,"Ephesians 2:10 -- "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."1 Corinthians 4:7 -- "For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"I can keep going... You do realize that many atheists reject Christianity because the Bible is clear about not having free will, correct? I know all about Arminianism.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

"As he should be" is a subjective notion. God hates; God loves. The former is for the non-elect, which are vessels of wrath prepared beforehand for destruction; the latter is for the elect, which are vessels of mercy prepared beforehand for glory. God does not owe anyone anything: why should He stop it as if He owes us life? We do not have a right to life. Who is to say that it was not good in the overall arching picture? Does God not work all things for the good of those who love Him? Are these not His elect, the ones who God loves? God is still all-loving but this love does not apply to everyone; the love that applies to everyone is the creation love. It is the love that God has for all things within the story. That includes evil; for God loves evil, in that sense, for it is the story He created so that He may hate evil in a personal and just sense (an author or reader may hate the evil in a book and the people who commit that evil; however, the story and the evil and evil people are loved in a certain sense for the story's sake). Those who died in the Holocaust had been preordained to be killed in it to bring about some sort of good and glory that God may only know about for now. God is still all-loving!
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Well, there is an alternative view, but I don't agree with it.One argument is that God wants his universe to be as interesting and as provocative as possible--so he allows horribly bad things to happen to achieve this. He wants to experience the "fullness" of what it means to exist.I suppose this can explain why some really bad things do happen in our universe--but this would make God a cosmic sadist.Truly frightening indeed!No, I believe God is teaching young, adolescent humankind important lessons for life in this universe. Perhaps he has big plans for us among the stars. Who knows?
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

You're verging on the Euthyphro Dilemma. If God is all-powerful and all-knowing and created X, then X could not give him anything that He could not give Himself. God does not need anything that His creation could offer. This problem, that Socrates raised, is actually answered in the Bible: God does not need anything but creates humans so that we may live in love and love the same, which explains why evil and injustice are still around in the world. They are in the world so that God may bring glory to Himself, so that His elect may live in God's love, which is surrounded in grace and mercy, while we love God, which many of the times is arrived at through hardships.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Calvanist doctrine? Because that presents unwanted layers to the debate. And I call logical fallacy, it makes no sense to call God al loving because of creation love if people are going to burn so hard or hurt so much. It is not love, it is sadism, which is very problematic.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

That is not problematic at all. God loves the story because it brings joy and mercy and love and grace to His elect, who God lives in a personal sense. So God loves the story in a sense but hates the evil in a sense.Also, this is what the Bible says: that God preordained people out of love in a sense. So you don't have a problem with the doctrine, just God.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Sacrifice and learning important historical lessons is important to the maturity and long-term durability of the human race.Humans are not born with an innate knowledge of right and wrong. We must learn what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior through the tools of pain, damage and reward. God is teaching us these things.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

The title seems to imply that man is not responsible or held accountable for his own actions. And while I could go the 'God created him so bluh bluh bluh' route, I'm not going to. Regardless of whether he was created by a god or not, man must be held accountable for his actions here on this earth. To deny this is to be truly 'evil'.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

"In the beginning".... The Christian God made his feelings about control clear when he kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden. In my opinion, a "loving God" would not set restrictions concerning eating from a knowledge-giving tree. The point of that restriction was to make sure that humans never ascended to the level of "gods" or became of equal wisdom. However, though there was a supposed set back at that time (if the creation story is true) we have been trying to figure things out ever since-- without the help of the miraculous fruit. It makes sense that we would hate, fight and kill each other trying to ascend to our full potential. Human beings have far more power than most people are aware of. Our brains can out-process any super computer. We can do anything we set our minds to if only we work harder. Maybe a loving God saw this as our chance for redemption, but I don't believe that a true loving God, who wanted us to enjoy the bounty of his creation, would restrict us from any part of it in the first place. I clicked NO because I don't agree with the actual question, but I do agree that the Christian God is not as loving as everyone tries to promote. Our Universe is not benevolent. We get what we put in-- EVERYTHING = ENERGY.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

You and I have a different perspective of love though. Love is something that when truly exercised does not trap you. What you are talking about right there is complete control of someone by not giving them choice in the first place. The only reason God told them not to eat from the tree was because upon gaining knowledge from that tree, they would defect from the natural order of things and become inherently evil. They would also be held accountable for all their actions.. They would also die, unless they ate from the tree of life, and this was posed a problem because they would be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil but choosing evil and also living forever. The point of that restriction was to make sure that humans never ascended to the level of "gods" or became of equal wisdom.God has already made ma in his image, so we were essentially already like him in our core.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Why would it say anything at all about the Christian god? The holocaust happened to the Jews.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

The Christian God is "derived" from the Jews and have the same intrinsic qualities so it is not much of an issue.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Still I don't see how Christians or Christianity has anything to do with the holocaust
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

Oh, well I can't really help with that son. Sorry if I made it about us.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

That is disgusting. Fuck the Jews, eh? Sarcasm over. Such Christian compassion.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I am sorry if it offended you though, I already apologised to Warrior.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I was disputing Warrior, not you. I stand behind you and applaud you for questioning things. A mind that does not question, dies.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

When did I say fuck the Jews? You need to stop putting words in my mouth.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

You implied it with this statement: Why would it say anything at all about the Christian god? The holocaust happened to the Jews.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

I was simply asking why the holocaust had anything to do with Christianity seeing as how it was perpetrated neither by nor agains Christians and therefore how the Christian God comes into the equation. Now you could say that the Christian God and Jewish God are the same god and that is indeed true but then it begs the question why add the specification (Christian God) in the title of the debate. But despite this your probably going to call me a racist anyway despite the facts that A.I never made a racist comment and B.the term your looking for is actually anti-SemiticTwo points you will undoubtably over look and never look back as you level a personnel attack against me in an obvious attempt to hide the fact that you can't dispute me on a factual level so by all means proceed with your self degradation.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I never accused you of racism, I accused you of religious bigotry. We are all one human race so I try not to use the term racist and use ethnocentrist in it's place. If you are going to accuse me of something, have the courtesy of using the right terms. Smooches.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Oh very well it doesn't change the fact that you did EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU WOULD ill be it a bit more eloquently but still. I have refuted your claims of religious bigotry now the ball is in your court as they say to either relinquish the point or press the matter further. From past experiences I have an idea of what you will do. However being the fair person that I am I hold out hope that you have learned not to seek out firm footing in sinking sand.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

If I am wrong, I am sorry, but I felt that what you said did not sit well. I still care for you.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Yes I know my remarks were out of line while witty they were very rude and I apologies. I'm just under a lot of stress because I'm starting at my new job soon so I guess I needed to vent.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I more than understand. If you heard half of what I said to my computer, you would hate me. I cuss like a sailor when I am at my computer. LOL. Pray about it, read the Bible. God loves you. :) <3
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I only specified God to remove any other god from the equation. I wanted the debate to have order, that's it.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: No

Fair enough but to avoid these annoying little misconceptions it would be smart to refer to him as the Abahamic God. Because all Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, jewdeism, Islam all believe in and worship him.
Debate: The Holocaust proves God is not as loving as he should be (Christian God)
Side: Yes

I disagree, remember that the God of Islam is not the same as Christian. Judaism disowns the Christian God and Christianity disowns Allah.