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Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Mmm, I feel I shouldn'tcomment because reasons, but People who are gay can be Christian only if they stop being a homosexual and turn away from that sin and stop being a homosexual.Err... You dont just stop being a homosexual. Srom, it's like me asking you to stop being straight and suddenly be attracted to men. You can try, hell maybe if you're strong willed enough you could sleep with a man. But you won't be able to make yourself like it, nor will you be able to change your emotions to start liking men in an emotional way instead of women.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Err... You dont just stop being a homosexual. Srom, it's like me asking you to stop being straight and suddenly be attracted to men. You can try, hell maybe if you're strong willed enough you could sleep with a man. But you won't be able to make yourself like it, nor will you be able to change your emotions to start liking men in an emotional way instead of women.Yes, you can. I've heard lots of stories of people who have stopped being a homosexual, and have repented of what the lifestyle they're in. So you're saying once someone's gay they can never go back to being straight?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

"once someone's gay.." Ugh you haven't learned. You don't become gay, you just are. Like, you don't become a girl over time, from the moment the sperm meets the egg you are destined to be either a boy or a girl. And back to being straight?? Ughh, like I said- you don't go straight then gay. You are either straight or gay. And "lots of stories" Ooh yes, denial is a very convincing argument. Hey Srom I'm straight! I love pussy ;)Oh look I said I'm straight now, I guess that means I am..Also, why would someone choose to be gay? If the natural inclination is to like the opposite sex, why would someone choose to like the same? Think Srom, you like women don't you. I presume, anyway.... So that means you can't suddenly decide to find men attractive, even if you tried. Same with gay people, you cant just decide to be straight, your sexuality is final.Also, referring to my previous point- why, in a world where people discriminate, beat the shit out of, and even kill homosexuals, would someone choose to be one? You think if a gay man is bullied every day of his lie, why would he choose that?? A lesbian woman commits suicide because everyone around her hates her " choice". Well I ask you if it is a choice, then who would rather kill themselves because of the torments they have to go to because of bullies, rather than just "turn straight again".You're not a good debater Srom. Sorry to say it, but you're just not very good at this, there are so many loop holes in your arguments that you can't seriously combat!
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Dude, you need to realize he is just a Christian. That means he doesn't actually understand how life works sometimes."once someone's gay.." Ugh you haven't learned. You don't become gay, you just are. Like, you don't become a girl over time, from the moment the sperm meets the egg you are destined to be either a boy or a girl.Technically he is right and you can stop being gay. You just need to figure out what that means. The only way to tell if a man is a homosexual is if he is having sex with men. Once you stop the sex acts, you can repent and not be a homosexual with respect to God. It isn't about preference as much as Christians mistakenly say it is.The vocal Christians have confused the issue so badly that the people like Srom start repeating arguments that make absolutely no sense.Pretty much everything you said is accurate, but it doesn't fit with actual Christianity.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Mmm... I guess this is acceptable..Still, I'll happily eat my own face when someone finds me the passage in the Bible that says being gay is a choice..!
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

It's the gay acts that are a supposed to be a choice, which is just like other sinful activity. But, like other sinful acts people can't control their urges and are forgiven, unlike gay people.But, for your question, technically Romans 1:26 says that because people stopped believing in God He introduced gay desires. So, God made you gay. :)
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

OK God made me, so now Christians want me to undo God's work???Unacceptable!
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Can't argue with that. :)
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

If you are a sinner, then you aren't a Christian by your own logicTrue, but then you would be excluding practically everybody from being a declared 'Christian'. Why don't you take into account all of the sins they avoid instead of focusing on the sin they do not avoid?Well, the only problem I see with this is you talk of Gays much too disparately and possibly have generalised their behaviour? The point is, we still see gays as a 'specialised group' as with Srom's 'special case' for the gays so - called specific sin. A sin is a sin, but love is love. It can't be helped who you are attracted to.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

True, but then you would be excluding practically everybody from being a declared 'Christian'.That's my point. I am trying to explain to him that he is making a weird exception for gays.Well, the only problem I see with this is you talk of Gays much too disparately and possibly have generalised their behaviour?That may be part of the problem too. But, that isn't something I am doing. That is being done by the anti gay Christians.The point is, we still see gays as a 'specialised group' as with Srom's 'special case' for the gays so - called specific sin.Once people start lightening up on their hatred this will go away.A sin is a sin, but love is love. It can't be helped who you are attracted to.Yeah, just need to try to be the best person you can be.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

The underlying problem is that living a gay lifestyle is a chosen sin that one wishes to possess. Now, I'm not arguing that gays had an option for who they are attracted to. This is just a merely viewpoint from an agnostic, but most sins are sins that are not long term. For example, stealing, blashphemy, unforgiveness, murder, etc, are all sins that one commits, but isn't stretched out over a period of time as a chosen. I'm assuming this is why many hardcore Christians dislike the notion of gay Christians. This isn't my personal viewpoint, but rather an attempt of looking through the eyes of a Christian.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

There is no evidence that sexual orientation is a willful choice; there is plenty to indicate that it is at least partially if not entirely beyond the will of the person. I am also unfamiliar with any Biblical basis for the distinction between "long term" sin and "regular" sin. Besides, excepting the "sin" of murder every other "sin" you mentioned tends to be a chronic, recurring issue at least as much as the "sin" of homosexual intercourse (and certainly more than the non-sin of abstinent homosexuality).P.S. Just realized how old your post was after I hit submit. Feel free to disregard if you like.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Oh my this is an old post, but I was only arguing based off of assumptiond. I had no evidence to back up my statements, just explanations.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

The underlying problem is that living a gay lifestyle is a chosen sin that one wishes to possess.I don't see how. What is the actual sin? Gay sex or living with the decision to have gay sex when you get the chance? Does that really make sense?  For example, stealing, blashphemy, unforgiveness, murder, etc, are all sins that one commits, but isn't stretched out over a period of time as a chosen.Only because those sins are viewed as sins and not as some special case where if you think about doing it it becomes a super sin that kicks you out of your religion. How often are you thinking about yourself being straight? Does that even go through your head much? And, that isn't even what is considered a sin. I'm assuming this is why many hardcore Christians dislike the notion of gay Christians. This isn't my personal viewpoint, but rather an attempt of looking through the eyes of a Christian.I think you have it backwards. I think Christians dislike homosexuality, then figured out how to justify it.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

I don't see how. What is the actual sin? I would assume that a gay lifestyle is the same as a man who constantly lusts for other women while in marrigage.  Gay sex or living with the decision to have gay sex when you get the chance? Does that really make sense?You are trying to break this down to far. It is simply the fact that this lofestyle is chosen and not repented on. You are consistently sinning and breaking the laws that God has set forth. A Christian man can easily sin, but continuing the same sinful lifestyle in the eyes of Christ? It's a bit different. Only because those sins are viewed as sins and not as some special case where if you think about doing it it becomes a super sin that kicks you out of your religion. You can never be kicked out of the religion. You have to make the decision to leave. You can be kicked out of an organization such as a church. Also, why would you be kickes out of the religion for thinking about "it"? How often are you thinking about yourself being straight? Does that even go through your head much? Not at all, I have no reason to. If I'm attracted to someone I will know. It seems that my brain prefers women over men. If the case changes then i changes. And, that isn't even what is considered a sin.What isn't? I need some clarity. I think you have it backwards.I don't have it backwards. We are both correct on regards to what Christians do since Christians vary from place to place and from person to person.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I would assume that a gay lifestyle is the same as a man who constantly lusts for other women while in marrigage.There is no reason to believe that gays are any different from straights other than a difference in preference. So, saying that someone is gay automatically means they are constantly lusting is unfair and part of the problem I have here. Why are they considered different? A man who lusts outside of his marriage is still considered Christian.You are trying to break this down to far. It is simply the fact that this lofestyle is chosen and not repented on. You are consistently sinning and breaking the laws that God has set forth. A Christian man can easily sin, but continuing the same sinful lifestyle in the eyes of Christ? It's a bit different.The Bible doesn't say choosing the path of homosexuality is a constant sin. It says don't lie with another man. That would be the act of sex. I don't think it is breaking it down too far to actually consider what is the actual sin we are discussing. I think saying that homosexuality is a sin and causes you not to be a Christian is not breaking it down at all.You can never be kicked out of the religion. You have to make the decision to leave. You can be kicked out of an organization such as a church. Also, why would you be kickes out of the religion for thinking about "it"?How would you not be a Christian and also not be kicked out of the religion? You are the one arguing that gays aren't Christians.Not at all, I have no reason to. If I'm attracted to someone I will know. It seems that my brain prefers women over men. If the case changes then i changes.It has to be the same for gays.What isn't? I need some clarity.Thinking that you are attracted to guys and not actually lusting for them is not a sin.I don't have it backwards. We are both correct on regards to what Christians do since Christians vary from place to place and from person to person.It wasn't meant to be an insult. It was simply my opinion. You say A causes B because everyone uses A to explain B. I think that B always existed and A was invented to explain it. Homosexuality is different and I think people would be opposed to it on general principles. I don't think that someone actually saw the Bible passage and just decided that homosexuality is a high priority. But, maybe you are right.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

So, saying that someone is gay automatically means they are constantly lusting is unfair and part of the problem I have here. Why are they considered different? A man who lusts outside of his marriage is still considered Christian.Again, you are breaking this down too far. It seems as if you keep missing the purpose of my posts. I never used the word "automatically". The bible says the man has committed adultery anyways and if a man does this while Christian and married questions his Christianity. That's all I am saying.  Why are they considered different? A man who lusts outside of his marriage is still considered Christian.Nevermind. You still missed my purpose. In fact I don't feel like continuing. I'm quite tired.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I am really sorry about the automatically part. I was confused because you used the word constantly when just lusting at all is a sin. I agree that if homosexuality is just another sin it would be like lusting outside of marriage. The bible says the man has committed adultery anyways and if a man does this while Christian and married questions his Christianity.Is that true? Answer one question for me. Have you ever heard a Christian who has constantly committed adultery ever be considered not to be a Christian?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Answer one question for me. Have you ever heard a Christian who has constantly committed adultery ever be considered not to be a Christian?Of course. If you comit a sin, confess it, and then do nothing to stop comitting it, you may be excluded from communion.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

How often does that happen?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

How often it happens, is completely irrelevant.It happens every time the priest involved is actually a Christian.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

How many times have you witnessed it happening?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

By definition, it's impossible for me to witness that happening unless I'm not the priest involved. And I'm not a priest.However, I've heard a preaching priest speak of it. It's also part of the canon in the Greek Christian church. I would be very surprised if it was different in the Catholic church.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

How does communion work? You are only able to tell if you received communion and no one else?However, I've heard a preaching priest speak of it. It's also part of the canon in the Greek Christian church. I would be very surprised if it was different in the Catholic church.Any idea which part?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

How does communion work? You are only able to tell if you received communion and no one else?Usually, the person is warned that he's excluded, so he doesn't even try to receive it. I haven't ever wintessed the very improbable situation when they'd try to do it despite the warning. I haven't ever seen a meteorite fall, either.Any idea which part?Nope, I'm not going to look it up and translate it into English, just because you asked.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Do you know anyone who was warned that they were excluded?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

In Russia, yes. But I'd rather I'd never known them (that's offtopic).
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I think you have it backwards. I think Christians dislike homosexuality, then figured out how to justify it.That.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

What a shock, you missed the entire point again. Can you grasp a person admitting their sin verses denying their sin. To deny a sin that God clearly points out in the Bible, is to deny the God you claim to follow.Christians freely admit when they have sinned & do not try to condone it.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You missed the entire point again. What other sin do people commit that automatically makes them not a Christian? Name one. I am still waiting. I never seem to get an answer.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

You are twisting words & lying once again. I never said there was any particular sin that would make them not a Christian. Now listen carefully before you read into it what you want.It is my humble belief that the only sin that would make you not a Christian, would be the sin of denial & not admitting it's a sin in the first place. If the Bible says something is a sin & you deny it, then you are saying God is wrong & you do not agree with God. if that is the case, then why claim to be a Christian because you obviously want to follow your own politically correct man made religion.Homosexuality is a sin as is adultery, as is many other's. It matters not the sin, it matters do you admit it is a sin. We all sin & if we do it & say it is not a sin, then we deny God's word. Pretty simple.Homosexuals will say it is not a sin as will pro abortion people say abortion is not a sin. The Bible is very clear on these subjects. I believe any church that denies it is a false church following the world's man made politically correct religion.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

You are twisting words & lying once again. I never said there was any particular sin that would make them not a Christian. Now listen carefully before you read into it what you want.I never actually said you said that. But, it is clear that you think Gay is that sin since you posted on the yes side.It is my humble belief that the only sin that would make you not a Christian, would be the sin of denial & not admitting it's a sin in the first place. If the Bible says something is a sin & you deny it, then you are saying God is wrong & you do not agree with God. if that is the case, then why claim to be a Christian because you obviously want to follow your own politically correct man made religion.Every Christian picks and chooses what is ok to do. This criteria is not helping at all.Homosexuality is a sin as is adultery, as is many other's. It matters not the sin, it matters do you admit it is a sin. We all sin & if we do it & say it is not a sin, then we deny God's word. Pretty simple.People speak far more with their actions than with their words. How many adulterers have you claimed were not Christians? Homosexuals will say it is not a sin as will pro abortion people say abortion is not a sin. The Bible is very clear on these subjects. I believe any church that denies it is a false church following the world's man made politically correct religion.Religion is man made. You aren't affected by "fake churches".
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Christians invented a religion where you can do whatever you want as long as you tell an imaginary character that you did it. Imagine a person who celebrates the bad things they do with their imaginary friend. Now imagine someone who doesn't go around talking about all the bad things they do.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

You can't be a Christian and be gay. Yes you can. It is not a sin to be tempted, otherwise Jesus would be a sinner. Homosexuality is a sin. 2 Samuel 1:26, 1 Corinthians 7:7-9, 1 Samuel 18:1,3,21, 20:30, 41-42, Hebrews 4:15, and so on.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Yes you can. It is not a sin to be tempted, otherwise Jesus would be a sinner.My goodness, you made an "intelligent and well thought out" argument.....
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

She has just read someone say that before.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

And why does that matter ?
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

It's not a sin to be tempted. But it's a sin to willingly succumb to your temptations, and make a lifestyle of it.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

Except homosexuality isn't a lifestyle.An argument could be made for homosexual acts being condemned, but that's not what you said.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

When are you going to address my argument? .
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

By a technical point of view, some Christians are homosexual so it's technically possible that you can be Christian and gay. I am not a Christian but I've heard that Jesus Christ wanted everyone to be treated equally. I've heard the phrase "Treat thy neighbor as thyself" or something similar to that many times. But now that I actually think about that, homophobic Christians (such as yourself) are not treating their homosexual "neighbors" as thyself. Unless the Bible and Jesus Christ made up an exception: that homosexuals are lesser human beings and do not deserve equal rights as heterosexuals. Then according to the Bible, Christians are not allowed to be gay. But, I've also heard a lot from these discussions that the Bible contradicts itself frequently. I don't own a Bible so I can't say that it does. I'm saying yes, Christians can be gay, but it is technically a sin if they are. But also according to the Bible, wearing clothing with more than one type of material is a sin as well (which doesn't make any sense.)
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

By a technical point of view, some Christians are homosexual so it's technically possible that you can be Christian and gay. I would like to point out that you can't be a gay Christian just like you can't be a murdering Christian, a lying Christian, a cheating Christian, and the list goes on and on. This is because in 1st Corinthinans 6:9-11, Paul clearly lists the things that won't inherit the Kingdom of God such as murderers, liars, idolaters, homosexuals and so on. Christian's are supposed to repent of their sinful ways, if they don't repent of their ways then they will be only be continuing to sin, and aren't doing what God calls Christians to do which is to go and sin no more. He didn't say to keep on sinning. That's why I say that you can't be a homosexual and a Christian.  I am not a Christian but I've heard that Jesus Christ wanted everyone to be treated equally. I've heard the phrase "Treat thy neighbor as thyself" or something similar to that many times. But now that I actually think about that, homophobic Christians (such as yourself) are not treating their homosexual "neighbors" as thyself.I still love gay people, I just don't approve of their sin that they are in. But, I've also heard a lot from these discussions that the Bible contradicts itself frequently. I don't own a Bible so I can't say that it does.It doesn't actually. You just have to read in context of what it's trying to say. Most of the "supposed contradictions" are actually complementary meaning that they are adding on to what the person is saying. But also according to the Bible, wearing clothing with more than one type of material is a sin as well (which doesn't make any sense.)That was in the Old Testament, and it was directed towards Israel for which they had to follow those rules. Christians are under a new covenant now so we don't have to follow those Old Testament rules.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: Yes.

I would like to point out that you can't be a gay Christian just like you can't be a murdering Christian, a lying Christian, a cheating Christian, and the list goes on and on. This is because in 1st Corinthinans 6:9-11, Paul clearly lists the things that won't inherit the Kingdom of God such as murderers, liars, idolaters, homosexuals and so on. Christian's are supposed to repent of their sinful ways, if they don't repent of their ways then they will be only be continuing to sin, and aren't doing what God calls Christians to do which is to go and sin no more. He didn't say to keep on sinning. That's why I say that you can't be a homosexual and a Christian. No true Scotsman fallacy. Gays can be Christian.
Debate: Can gays be Christians?
Side: No.

Did you even read all of what I said? My point makes perfect sense.