azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

There is no such thing as a universally accepted definition.Point proven. Language is subjective.Your whole argument is that language is arbitrary.No, my argument is that language is subjective. There is logic to language, but we cannot use language to define something into existence. I am talking about something beyond language, but you can't believe language long enough to even see that.You're right, if a God does exist, He's beyond language, hence why calling Him "the supreme and ultimate reality" is ultimately meaningless. The universe defines our language, our language doesn't define it.We use words such as "supreme" and "ultimate" to highlight something that's beyond our grasp. That doesn't mean that something which is beyond our grasp has to exist.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Some definitions of arbitrary for you..."based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something""depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law"Your argument is that language is arbitrary, which you just admitted.Everything else I say stands.I am not defining anything into existence.The Word is The Most Perfect ImageWith The Spirit of Truth you can witness God through The Word.Otherwise, what are you doing right now? You are calling for the crucifixion of Jesus. You are demanding that Jesus be put to death.In doing so, you undermine and condemn yourself. The measure you use to judge is what judges you.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Where do you get your definitions from? The one I follow is "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.".But, nevertheless, proves my point - language is subjective. Definitions vary, and meanings vary. We cannot use it to evidence God's existence.Everything else I say stands.You're not even going to attempt to give a rebuttal then? Fair enough. :)
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

No one has to prove The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.You might as well say, "prove to me that it is true that there is truth".You openly admit that you are coming from a place of arbitrariness, what more can I do to rebut you? Truth stands clear apart from error. The fluidity of language is not relevant. There is a different word for "God" in every language. You think I'm talking about an arbitrary pronouncement of syllables with an interpretive meaning.Effective or ineffective communication has very little to do with the surety that The God I speak of clearly exists, and you are delusional to think otherwise or even question it. You don't stand on anything if you are in doubt.Why do you not see what is obvious? Because you won't believe what I'm saying long enough to understand what you are disputing.By the way, the issue you are having with God is practically the overarching theme of The New Testament.Bet you didn't know that.The solution to your problem is The Trinity, if you only knew how your issue is exactly what The Trinity solves.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

We're going around in circles now.I think you do yourself a disservice by calling my "delusional" simply because I do not agree with the view point that God's definition proves his existence. I do not doubt God's existence, I just do not support it either. I neither believe nor disbelieve. By the way, the issue you are having with me right now is practically the major overarching theme of The New Testament.Redemption and salvation? I think you'll have to elaborate a bit more on that.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You disrespect my point of view for saying I am calling you delusional for not agreeing with the viewpoint that God's definition proves his existence.No, the definition of God establishes what we are talking about.The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.Why won't you accept this definition? Because you want the definition that doesn't make your viewpoint stupid. Yes, to even be on the fence about this is foolish if you understand my position.You don't understand my position, because you are too busy disputing about the meaning of words and language. I am not questioning your integrity, I believe this can be sorted out.The solution to your problem is in The Trinity.The most perfect conception of reality we have is not reality as it truly is. We call reality as it truly is "God". You can only know this by the spirit of truth.That's the trinity right there. Great mystery, eh?That is what words are. IF you make language arbitrary, that means the spirit of truth is not in you, because you are not interested in communication. The only thing you are doing is sowing chaos, discord, and variance.Hail Eris, or something, right?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Why won't you accept this definition?Because I don't agree with that definition. It's really that simple.That is what words are. IF you make language arbitrary, that means the spirit of truth is not in you, because you are not interested in communication. The only thing you are doing is sowing chaos, discord, and variance.We use representations to communicate. They are not there to prove the existence of things.I'm flattered you think I'm such a demonic character. What sort of chaos am I sowing? Is it the whole gay sex thing? Forgive me father.Hail Eris or something, right?Cthulhu, actually, but close.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

If you don't agree with the definition, what are you even debating?Why don't you tell everyone what you mean when you say "God"? What is your definition?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

The creator of the universe. ..................................................................................................................................................
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Definition of creator": one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being"Definition of universe"1 : the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated"What about "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality" doesn't fulfill the definition of "the creator of the universe"?Without God, the universe would not exist at all. There could be no universe. The universe would not be a reality.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Without God, the universe would not exist at all. There could be no universe. The universe would not be a reality.Yes there could. There's literally tons of scientific theories which talk about this.And that's all this is, too. A theory. You can't be so arrogant as to claim your theory as absolute fact.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Science is knowledge.The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is greater than knowledge.You are the one who is arrogant if you think your science falsely so called could ever undermine The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, God Almighty.There is no question of God. The God I speak of is not some "theory".
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

You are the one who is arrogant if you think your science falsely so called could ever undermine The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, God Almighty.My science? What science? I've stated multiple times that I think it's unwise to make absolute statements about God's existence. Maybe he does exist, maybe he doesn't. There's no argument which proves or disproves him.The ontological argument is an argument from logic, but I see atheism as more logical because, overall, there's more logical atheistic arguments.There is no question of God. The God I speak of is not some "theory".Your argument for his existence certainly is.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

I don't need to make an argument for The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, it is its own argument.All I'm saying is God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. Keep it real. That is best.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I don't need to make an argument for The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, it is its own argument.So you have no argument? Terrific. :)
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Argument for what? You are saying "I don't know".I don't know either. My faith is not in knowledge. I see something greater that what can be known. What is there to say? If you dispute that The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, do you dispute that The Supreme and Ultimate Reality exists?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I don't know either. Finally you agree. Stop acting as if your argument is undeniable proof that God exists.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

If you dispute that The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God, do you dispute that The Supreme and Ultimate Reality exists?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You say,"Those are human-made words. There is no absolute logic which links the fabric of the universe and our reality to our language. An alien society in another galaxy might have the definition of God as something which doesn't exist in the real world. Their "anti-ontological" argument would be just as legitimate - and logical - as yours."I say, "The name that can be named is not the eternal name"
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

"Your concept of God is that he exists because he must exist - because you say so, because human language proves it through definitions of "ultimate" and "supreme" and "existence"."I swear, it's like you don't know what a definition is. Definition of definition1 a : a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbolb : a statement expressing the essential nature of somethingc : a product of defining2 : the action or process of stating the meaning of a word or word group3 a : the action or the power of describing, explaining, or making definite and clear the definition of a telescope her comic genius is beyond definitionb (1) : clarity of visual presentation : distinctness of outline or detail improve the definition of an image (2) : clarity especially of musical sound in reproductionc : sharp demarcation of outlines or limits 4 : an act of determining~~~No, you don't get it at all. The purpose of the definition is to make clear what it is that is meant by "God". The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. The Supreme Being. Every academically respected dictionary backs up what it is that I am trying to communicate to you. You can't just arbitrarily decide that you are the determiner of what words mean and claim equal authority when it comes to the defining of terms to say, THE OXFORD or something. The thing is, it makes sense that someone who doesn't believe in The Supreme and Ultimate Reality would be without any standards. You have embraced arbitrariness.You may say, "I don't know", but you are still adopting the position of atheist. You do not believe in the existence of God.See, I don't know. Why do I not know? Because I understand epistemology. I understand science. It is because of that I can say, "I don't know".But there is one thing I am absolutely certain of. I am more certain of the existence of God than I am in even my own existence. I am more certain of the existence of God than anything else. I am uncertain about everything else. That is where the science leads. Why can't you see it?If you do not have this level of certainty, there is no way you could possibly be looking at the same thing as me. If you were, you'd see you've already performed the necessary scientific experiments to be certain about God.Yet, you can't even accept a simple definition. This makes any knowledge on your part impossible. You are embracing willful ignorance. Debating over the definition of a word that ties in precisely with a universally recognized concept.THE TRUTH.You don't know The Truth. You don't have to know The Truth to believe that The Truth exists.Think about what you are saying!
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Until I see logic on the side of theism I will "believe" the side that shows the MOST logic. There is only one side that does, so, I am ATHEISTIC. Simple.(No, "scum60", not ME, the decision.)
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Ol' Crazy AL i don't think i wayed in on the debate did i ?????
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Just anticipating your usual irrationalism, O.K.? I'm back to "crazy"?? What happened to "insane"? It sounded much more intellectual. Oh, well, we have to make considerations for mindset. I'll wait for your ridiculousness next time, okay, Scum?? Didn't mean to upstage (or upset) you. We have to be careful when dealing with the mentally challenged, I realize that ... my mistake.Your friend .. Ol' Crazy Al, signing off ... with apologies.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

But i didn't way in on the subject of the debate Crazy AL so i really don't know what your point is but i am sure you know LMMFAO
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Your ability to see any point that is not yours is well documented, and LYMFAO is your choice. Enjoy your day.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Have you seen that i wayed in on the topic of the thread ? Show where i have and i will wait for it.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Definition of theism:belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically :belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world~~~~Definition of god courtesy of merriam-webster1 capitalized :the supreme or ultimate reality: such asa :the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe~~~~~Theism is faith in ultimate reality.To clarify...Definition of faith courtesy of merriam-webster"something that is believed especially with strong conviction"~~~~Atheism is defined by merriam-webster asDefinition of atheism1 a :a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any godsb :a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods2 archaic :godlessness especially in conduct :ungodliness, wickedness~~~~Notice that the definition does not actually include the word "God" in it. It uses the word "god". If you do not believe in "God", there can be no "God", only "god" or "gods". Atheism is not logical. In fact, atheism completely undermines logic. The atheist does not actually believe in truth. To say, "I do not believe in God" is to say, "I do not believe in truth". All assertions are rendered arbitrary.Atheism cannot be more logical than theism, as the position of atheism is fundamentally a denial of logic.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Although, if the alternative is theism then atheism is definitely more logical, given the relative probabilities involved.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Give me one solid piece of evidence proving atheism. If it is so logical, then surely you can.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I don't have to " prove " atheism the burden of proof is with you as you made the affirmative claim
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

I don't have to " prove " atheism the burden of proof is with you as you made the affirmative claimHello D:Seriously??? HE has to prove it because HE made the claim??Have you no shame???? DUDE!excon
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

You fucking retard atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. Have you no shame ????? DUDE ..... SERIOUSLY ..... DUDE
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

If I claim that I have an incorporeal, undetectable, flying dragon in my garage - would you just believe me?If not, prove to me why you shouldn't...
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

We have proof the flying dragons don't exist, but we do have proof for an all powerful creator. Did you think I would say it's because I can't see it, or detect it? We have proof for a God, not Incorporeal, Undetectable, flying dragons.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

We have proof the flying dragons don't existNo you don't. Your assertion is false.In fact, I'll go further.You have absolutely no proof of anything which is objective, since everything you see, feel or touch is part of your own subjective, first-person experience. Even things which can be independently verified through the experiences of other people are also part of your own subjective, first person experience. You cannot prove anything exists or does not exist, including reality itself.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I myself am not an atheist, however I can see the logic from this point of view. Thus, I am not going to go "God says, this that and the other." Atheists have a right to their opinion without being persecuted as all else do. Besides, some people need more tangible truth, and to be honest Christ gave us none. The Bible was written by humanity not God and we have no physical proof of his existence. I personally avoid the Bible due to its offensive nature. EX: Comments on homosexuals. I study scripture from almost all cultures, including Jew, Islamic, Buddhist, and even Hindu. There is knowledge and wisdom in every culture. With a God or not.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

I myself am not an atheist, however I can see the logic from this point of view. Thus, I am not going to go "God says, this that and the other." Atheists have a right to their opinion without being persecuted as all else do. Besides, some people need more tangible truth, and to be honest Christ gave us none. The Bible was written by humanity not God and we have no physical proof of his existence. I personally avoid the Bible due to its offensive nature. EX: Comments on homosexuals. I study scripture from almost all cultures, including Jew, Islamic, Buddhist, and even Hindu. There is knowledge and wisdom in every culture. With a God or not.It sounds like you are more a scholar of religion than a follower of it.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

What is most logical, that just 1 out of some 3-4000 religions on earth is true and the rest are false? or that ALL of them are false? God is also an unfalsifiable concept by definition so the only logical approach to an unfalsifiable concept is agnosticism and suspension of belief.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

As I understand it there are thousands of planets in our universe capable of supporting Life as we know it. Do they all worship the same God? and did Jesus the Sun of God visit Bethlehem on all these planets?
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Supporting life. We never said that they did have life on them. And even if they did, we also don't know that they are intelligent life forms. (Intelligent enough to believe in a God or not).
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Atheism is more logical because theists are making an affirmative claim which they cannot support with material evidence. There's an old saying which applies about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence.However, atheism itself is not entirely logical because the possibility of God does still exist, regardless of its lack of evidence. Unfortunately, there is no way one can answer an unanswerable yes or no question while remaining logical. Personally, I identify as agnostic, but I reject all religion and consider myself to lean very heavily towards atheism, due to what I view as the relative probabilities involved that either side is correct.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Atheism and theism are both illogical. If someone asks you if God exists (or if you believe God exists) and you answer either in the negative or the positive, then you are being illogical. The only three logical words related to the existence of God are: I don't know.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

Theists choose God because they believe in him. Many atheists choose no God because they get to decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. There is no moral accountability in atheism. Theists choose God for a logical reason. Atheists choose no God simply because they don't want there to be a God or because they don't want moral accountability.Most atheists also believe in evolution. Correct me if I'm wrong, but science has found more evidence supporting creationism/creation science than it has for evolution. If we have not found any evidence pointing towards evolution, then it is not logical to still believe in it. If we have found evidence supporting creationism/creation science then it would be illogical to not even consider it.
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Atheism is logical

Theists choose God because they believe in him.There is no point believing in something you can't know or produce evidence for. There is no moral accountability in atheism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMcMIuN_XQ Theists choose God for a logical reason. Atheists choose no God simply because they don't want there to be a God or because they don't want moral accountability.You have things entirely backwards. Atheists don't believe in God because rather than just have faith they would rather base their beliefs in evidence and logic. Theists use God to project their arbitrary morality as if it is an objective truth when in fact it is a subjective opinion and a social construct. You are confusing the world of the subjective mind with universal law, it takes maturity, empathy and intelligence to realize this and still exact righteousness unto mankind. It takes nothing but fear and superstition to act righteously to avoid going to hell.science has found more evidence supporting creationism/creation science than it has for evolution.Wow, I had no idea!!...so like, what is the evidence? Here is some evidence for evolution.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
Debate: Is atheism the most logical theistic stance?
Side: Theism is more logical

You say, "There is no point believing in something you can't know or produce evidence for."But what does the word "God" mean? The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.You cannot know God, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about God. Accepting God is admitting that there is a higher reality than what you observe to be reality. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is by nature greater than any conception one can have of it. If you truly believe that there is reality at all, the essence of this is God. You can't believe reality without believing in God. There can be no such thing as reality without God. Yet, as you can clearly observe, there is some form of existence. There is some reality.The God that I speak of clearly exists, and without it, there is no science. Perhaps your conception of God is superstitious. There is no doubt about the existence of God. There is nothing else you can be more sure of.