azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

privatized police forces. people or business, seeing crime rising realize that their workers do not like going to work because of the crime near the work place. or the bank sees that people will not invest in their bank if robbery is common. theses intuitions would hire guards to protect their property, the work place would become safe and the bank a secure place to store money.Do you know what'll happen with a private police force? Only those who can afford it will be able to use it.Let me give Kenya as an example. The police there are extremely corrupt. The local businessmen who can afford it hire a very good private security service. But only they can use it. In America however things work completely differently. These private forces will not be cheap. If working on an equal scale to todays police force, it would be infinately more expensive. Do you think (being a private company) these services will extend to everybody? or only their customers i.e. the people who can afford it? Once it's an oligarch or monopoly the companies would become even more expensive - even middle class families would not be able to afford them. That's what the government does with taxes - extends services for all - for the common good of all.If there was no government it would be the world a pictured. A person of your financial background would not exist. There wouldn't be a white boy dwelling in the basement of his parent's suburbian home. There would be the extremely rich and the extremely poor. 99% chance you're extremely poor.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

again you have a valid point about mercenary armies taking over. but again i say, that a libertarian thinker would not use the army for selfish ends. we are against the idea of some one imposing unfair circumstances on others. libertarians in the raw would most likely live in a Amish type town minding them selves. we know that the whole world would not think un selfish and cruel and what we are entering into is like trying to teach elementary kids pre cal.if and only if when people decide to stop using any means for their own benefits that result in the impediment of other people rights can we then have global libertarianism.but i am aware this cant be done. but some more practical easier things can be done, that is limiting taxation as much as possible. allow privatized services as mucn as passable. i am not talking over the night change. that would end in disaster. like a foreigner country learns to use democracy, so does a man learn to use knowledge and wisdom to live in tolerance and understanding of others with out forced, unfair ruleship aka government.government is like a grownup. till people are ready to not need it and grow, we will have it. and its your choice if you choose to live in it or not. and if you choose yes, i am not going to condemn you about it. i am not a zealous radical, but some one trying to tell others that government can become obsolete and how.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Amish type town minding them selves.Sounds more like communism.a libertarian thinker would not use the army for selfish endsProbably would....government is like a grownup. till people are ready to not need it and grow, we will have it.Exactly, this is right. America is becoming more and more childish and is becoming more and more reliant on the government. In the old days (and I mean the OLD ASS DAYS) people were much more self reliant, and had the ability to get by without the government. Today where everybody is relatively spoilt, they don't have the ability to take care of themselves. They're also a lot more corrupt and would be trying to take advantage of everything as soon as the government is gone. Until people are able to better themselves (which atm they're not) the government will be needed. Capitalism is not a system which helps people better themselves.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

I'm really impressed how you decided to take lines from my argument, and then provide a counter statement devoid of any support or proof.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

you obviously don't know libertarianism. we do not support communism or any way of forced sharing of resources. so your first statement is wrong. i simply used the fact that the Amish live in small groups and that libertarianism would probably not expand greater then that.as for for you saying that a libertarian would use the army for selfish ends. you are wrong.why?because as i stated. a libertarian is against impending on other peoples rights and freedom. meaning that we would actually stop people from using the army for selfish needsas for the last statement. i agree up to capitalism. it is a way to help us. what America is experiencing to day is not true capitalism. but capitalism infested with socialism.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Communism isn't a forced sharing of resources.In it's core it's a group of people working together in a community.Amish towns (if I'm right about the concept) is small communities where people work together and for each other for the betterment of their community. Much more communistic than capitalistic.but capitalism infested with socialism.Look at everything great that's happened in America's economy and you'll see it's always 'socialism' that's helped it. Government intervention not the lack of it is what's made America's economy great. Why do you think the Global meltdown happened? Because of government intervention or the lack of it? People like you who follow Bush's every word have no idea what's actually going on in the world.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

first of all you are ignorant. communism employed by Stalin and other leaders and also Marx the founder of it was a use to harshly suppress and maintain society and to organize resources in ways government sees fit. the whole point of socialism and communism is we give government complete control over are resources and industry and trust they will do the right thing. the stimulus bill by obama was a socialist move, that is spending billions on the country.also minimum wage and other things. in fact any government interaction into commerce and business is socialism.look what happened to our country when the government bungles and screws things up. were 13 trillion dollars in debt.the truth, which government does not want to tell you is, they cant handle micromanaging the economy and ruling a nation, its never been done successfully, and i doubt will.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

employed by Stalin and other leaders and also MarxExactly. Employed by STALIN. That was THEIR approach to it. It's not THE approach to it.It was the government that allowed American companies to build themselves up against stronger foreign competition by creating huge tariffs on imports. If it wasn't for the government America wouldn't have ANY industry - because foriegn things are better.Read it and weep - everything good = Government. Everything bad = Non Government.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Exactly. Employed by STALIN. That was THEIR approach to it. It's not THE approach to itI'm pretty sure that is THE approach to it. Marx, the founder of Communism said that there are three stages of communism. the revolution to destroy capitalism, the raw Communism of which the populace are controlled by a totalitarian regime. and then pure Communism where we all live with out government . this is exactly what Stalin and Mao tired to do subtract the last part because they had no attention of actually fulfilling that partRead it and weep - everything good = Government. Everything bad = Non Governmentthe most idiotic un thought narrow minded argument so far. your accusation is comparable to a little kid saying his candy bar is better and there is no possible way he is wrong.socialism requires government influence and control, capitalism requires non government influence to grow. so every thing good is government? so the Nazi party, the death of 6 million Jews, nukes, communist oppression, colonialism, war, etc. that is all good?because of course you sheeple of the government, nothing bad has come from government, and the acts of goodness done from individuals out side government influence have never been good such as charities and the such don't exist. why don't you read and learn before the next statement you post.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

so every thing good is government? so the Nazi party, the death of 6 million Jews, nukes, communist oppression, colonialism, war, etc. that is all good?LMAO!!!! AHAHAHAHAAAAI'm saying that America's economy was made great because of 'socialism' and made worse due to 'capitalism'. WTF has nazism, NUKES?? COLONIALISM got to do with all this??Marx is the founder of Marxist communism. Communism has and always will thrive in human civilisation with or without marx.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

you said that every thing good came from government, so i asked if these things that came form government, were they good?as for socialism, there has not been one country where the people enjoy complete government control over industry and commerce.people like to own their production and resources. as for communism, there has not been one successful country who has thrived and stayed alive with it.so how is this government controlled business successful and good?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Firstly let me make it clear I'm not all for completely controlled government. I just prefer socialism over capitalism. There has not been one country where people enjoy no government control over industry and commerce.There has not been once successful country that has thrived and stayed alive with anything technically. Name me one nation or civilisation that has survived forever and your sentence may make sense.so how is this government controlled business successful and good?Ask the deregulated banks who begged the government for billions of dollars to save the economy.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

i don't need a nation who has survived for ever, for non have. all i need is history to show you that socialist or communist governments fall quickly and faster then capitalistic countries.and the bank asking for money, sure it may solve a short time problem but look what happens when the bank is bailed out by government, taxes go up to pay for the deficit and the government has more control over our money decreasing are freedom. so in the long end there has not been one successful nation where the bank is owned by the government. and i think helping a bank by just swiping its debt is no way to solve the problem. government is ignorant of the needs of people and the outcomes that happen from actions they take, i mean, how cant they be? how can a few thousand lead a few million, its to hard to be done. one person should rule one person, that is. them selves. that is the libertarian stance on politics.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

history to show you that socialist or communist governments fall quickly and faster then capitalistic countries.Really? Where??European nations are mostly socialists. They're garaunteed to last longer than America.You're right - I don't agree with the bank bailout. But it was the capitalists begging for money. It was the capitalists who realised the weaknesses in the system and needed the stronger system to bail them out.one person should rule one person, that is. them selves. that is the libertarian stance on politics.Realistically can't be done. I wish it could - but it can't.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

really where? communist Russia, Nazi Germany, and the roman empire. yes while countries have socialist attributes, they are still largely more capitalist. there are only a few fully on socialist countries such as Greenland who have populations no bigger then a a hundred thousand. them, like the Amish, live in small societies where socialism works ok, but as you get larger more problems occur.as for a person ruling them selves, it is realistic, people do it every day by making their own decisions and leading their own life. but political, yes, this will take time.as for the whole if people agreed to pay government, that is what I'm trying to get at, if people wanted to pay government there would be no need for taxation, again, taxation is used to justify the government taking by force the property of an other human being.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

really where? communist Russia, Nazi Germany, and the roman empire. yes while countries have socialist attributes, they are still largely more capitalist. there are only a few fully on socialist countries such as Greenland who have populations no bigger then a a hundred thousand. them, like the Amish, live in small societies where socialism works ok, but as you get larger more problems occur.as for a person ruling them selves, it is realistic, people do it every day by making their own decisions and leading their own life. but political, yes, this will take time.as for the whole if people agreed to pay government, that is what I'm trying to get at, if people wanted to pay government there would be no need for taxation, again, taxation is used to justify the government taking by force the property of an other human being.and European countries guaranteed to last longer? seems not likely with the whole euro problem going on, all ready Greece and Portugal next are bankrupt. and it looks like the epidemic is spreading.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

No. European countries are largely socialist. Please don't even think about bullshiting that.Greece and Portugal's problems are difficult to explain but it's a mix of different issues, most notably being hedge funds which is the result of?? That's right - capitalism.if people wanted to pay government there would be no need for taxationPeople WANT to pay government lmao. They don't like seeing their money go out of their bank accounts but they would HATE the consequences of no tax and no government. It doesn't take a fool to understand that much.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

you are the one bullshitting. look it up and you will see that all European countries are capitalist first. then say they have socialist attributes after. so shut up about it your wrong.as for hedge funds causing bankruptcy its origins started in socialism, how? by Europe wanting to form one currency that could be easier controlled by the government, remember, any government interference in commerce is socialism and thats what the forming of the united euro was.as for your last paragraph, it has no substance or meaning, you simple restated what i had said earlier, that is people want to pay government but not have to be reminded its a forced thing and that consequences occur if they don't.as for no tax and no government, it doesn't take a fool for the majority of us to agree that we dislike taxation and that there are other methods around. as hmm, i don't know, maybe no taxation?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

I don't think you understood my last paragraph.We may all dislike taxation but we know it's necessary. Those who think it's not necessary are not just stupid (or incredibly rich) but have no idea what tax is and what it's used for. As soon as people see (or experience) a nation built without tax or a nation without tax then they'll immediately start begging for tax again. The world doesn't have 30 years every generation to spend teaching people they need tax.... so you just make it a basic and justified law. Simples.All countries originally start out either communist or socialist or something from that premise. Less government intervention etc. is relatively new.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

again you are wrong. government can survive with out taxing its people, the united states did it till the civil war. the result of a non taxing government is just a smaller weaker one, one most people want. the government will then have to stay in the boundaries of its job and not try to expand outwards and take more power. because its power is limited by its wealth. government is a business, it invest and steals and lies and builds and sells. and it never does any thing that does not benefit it.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

So if it's a business... then it what it's doing is legal amirite?I understand what you're saying btw. We can easily look at the government as a business... except for the part where you can vote the leaders (board of directors) in and out of office - which is what socialist countries do...
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

well no its not legal, i simple refereed it to business, not meaning it is actual one that is legitimate.as for the last part. well yeah, if a country still clings to democracy it usually has free elections socialist or not. so I'm not do sure what the argument was here?
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

Lol nor am i dude.I'm only arguing for the sake of arguing. Got to do something while I'm online other than crack on off right?Capitalism may be a quicker path to the end, but will always lead to thousands of holes on the way. Socialism may be a slower but definate path to that end. Ya liiiikkee??
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

lol no. you dont support your argument with any thing besides repitition. but i dont care any more. were the only people in to this debate
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

lol again you have still failed to answer my first question. i have noting wrong with giving the government money according to what i feel like giving. but since i live in a government owned land. i am forced to pay taxes. i am not giving or investing on my own will, i am giving and investing against my will making the forceful seizure of my money theft. if mother Tressa demanded money for the poor and then used threats like jail and persecution, would we still think of her the same? no. even though she had a good intention, she used the wrong means to get there. so again. taxation is theft.and on a other note which you got me interested in. who says government owns the land? i think i will make a debate about that.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

lol again you have still failed to answer my first question. i have noting wrong with giving the government money according to what i feel like giving. but since i live in a government owned land. i am forced to pay taxes. i am not giving or investing on my own will, i am giving and investing against my will making the forceful seizure of my money theft. if mother Tressa demanded money for the poor and then used threats like jail and persecution, would we still think of her the same? no. even though she had a good intention, she used the wrong means to get there. so again. taxation is theft.and on a other note which you got me interested in. who says government owns the land? i think i will make a debate about that.and i love the classic authoritarian response you people use. if you don't like it leave. i cant believe we call our selves Americans and still use that Hitler/Stalin/roman emperor quote.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

it doesn't matter if they give it back. if a robber takes your money, and then gives it back, you would still call the taking of the money theft.you need better arguments, these are elementary ones.if i don't want to give my money up, and there is consequences for not giving my money against my own will, it is theft, because it is taken forcefully and against my own will.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

it doesn't matter if they give it back. if a robber takes your money, and then gives it back, you would still call the taking of the money theft.In English law, theft was codified into a statutory offence in the Theft Act 1968 which defines it as: "A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". (Section 1)The government gives you back the money by providing services and protection.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

(face palm) what the government does is like what parents to with young kids.that is that they get a allowance but then the grownups tell them what they can do with it. meaning the parents are just indirectly buying the products through the money they gave their kids. so you like the idea that the government indirectly tells you what to do with your money?if so. then i guess we really don't need to continue debating, i mean we really covered all the subjects. and it was a enjoyably week of arguing with you...but if you have more, i will be here ready.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

They don't indirectly tell me what to do with my money. People can vote and, thus, decide the things that they would like to spend tax dollars on. You may not get your way all the time, but that's democracy. By continuing to drive on the roads that, they provide, going into buildings, that they provide, turning on the water, which they partially provide, going to school, that they provide, I am approving of what they use their money for. Your example is not good. The parents don't tell their kids what to buy with their money, nor does the government.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

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Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

Theft is illegal taking. If the taking is legal than it's not theft.Twisting definitions to suit idealogical positions is unproductive.Or maybe we should we start calling pollution murder since pollution can lead to death.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

"I think it could be shown through facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class besides congress."Mark Twain.Nothing is illegal to those who are above the law - namely, the lawmakers.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

You just restated the original point. You didn't respond to my objection: that you guys are twisting words.And many things are illegal to lawmakers. They are held accountable via a system of checks and balances. The constitution, the judicial system, and the voting public all limit what they can do.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

that you guys are twisting words.Possibly. But within Fortean limits.And many things are illegal to lawmakers. They are held accountable via a system of checks and balances. The constitution, the judicial system, and the voting public all limit what they can do.Yes, if they don't overlook said crimes.
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

It's not ILLEGAL SEARCH if the government makes it legal (Patriot Act).
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: No

That's correct. Legal is not illegal.If you want to argue that taxes are bad, argue that taxes are bad. But don't give me this wordplay shit. "If we define abortion as 'baby killing', then we can see that abortion is obviously wrong."
Debate: Taxation is Legalized Theft
Side: yes

okay, so what you're saying is that the Bill of Rights are not being violated because the government makes it legal. I mean, in order for the bill of rights to be violated the government would have to be doing something illegal. But as Nixon said "When the president does it, it's not against the law".The government can make a law making it legal for them to take away all of your property without just cause, and that would be lawful, because the government made it legal. You're forgetting that there is a Constitutional law that can never be changed, and yes, the government breaks it all the time.