Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

No my dear you do not obviously know the law. Our government says the child belongs to her, that she has the right to terminate the pregnancy WITHOUT ANY CONFIRMATION FROM HIMWhen did I say that wasn't the law. Do you read anything I type? The fact is, the baby is hers at conception….she took the risk.Tell me how many people it takes to conceive a child. Can a woman conceive on her own? Can a man produce a child on his own? No. Both sexes are required to conceive a baby, they are both responsible for the act of conception. The sperm was a gift, he certainly can’t ask for it back can he?What? Answer this question please. Does a man make a conscious decision to have sex and deposit his sperm in the woman? Does he know that the woman has a possibility to get pregnant? Does he know that if she were to get pregnant the woman would have the right to abort? Yes he knows all of these things. And yet he still chooses to impregnate a woman. Therefore he is half responsible. He is not stupid he knows the risk just as much as the woman and takes the responsibility just as much as the woman.I believe personally that the man should be considered....If the man is to be considered then he has to be considered on all grounds. Which means if his opinion was taken into consideration by law then he could force a woman to abort a fetus that she wanted to have. Seeing as you're anti-abortion wouldn't that bother you?Like I said today she can kill and he need not even know it. I talk to men all the time whose wives or girlfriends got an abortion behind their backsWell if they talk about it they obviously know about it.You said it’s unfair........why?I said what's unfair?Am I calling names?Here's a list! Directly copied and pasted from what you have said to me. Is this what the word of Jesus taught you do? Name call?MaterialistJudge mentalYou look sillyyour ignorantYou are cold.You champion killingsissyHitler, Margaret Sanger. Your views on this mirror theirs.You are a jokeYou’re so ridiculous it’s not even funnyyou respresent death to innocent human beings Didn’t you call me a pig? Better reread that sectionYou deserved to be called a pig. I hate sexism. I'd call you a pig if your were racist or homophobic, being sexist is discriminating and holds the same grounds to me. Oh and perhaps you re-read that section because here is what I said I never denied that I called you a name. Hypocrite. All you've done since this debate began is name call, I will retaliate.I'm not the one in denial. I called you a pig once. You've demeaned and name called multiple times.You said yourself that you believe for whatever reason…that abortion should be legal and an option for any woman should she need it.I know and your point is?Most abortions happen on unwed women....women mainly who profess to be Christian in fact. That does not change the fact how they got pregnant. Why don’t you describe it for us in more politically correct terms? It still won’t change the truth of how it happened.What on earth are you on about? I've had sex I know what sex entails, I know how a child is conceived. You said this It got there sissy because she opened her legs and allowed sperm to swim inside her. She is the one taking the risk...not the man This is SEXIST, you think a man has no responsibility for getting a woman pregnant. Of course he does. Could a woman get pregnant without a man? No. Therefore the man HAS to assume HALF the responsibility for a child being conceived. There are two things that create a life, an egg and a sperm. Half and half. They both decide to have sex, they both know the risks, they both procreate. They are both responsible.As I said AGAIN……….the man is an onlooker so says the law….that is if he is not marriedAn unmarried man has the same say as a married man by law. For someone who claims that I know nothing on the law of abortion you sure know bugger all yourself.girl who is allowing him inThe man also allows himself in. Stop implying the girl is always the instigator of sex. If the man didn't want to have sex and ejaculate in her then it would be rape. If he didn't want to get her pregnant he could have said no or used a condom. Just as the girl could say no or use a condom. They both take equal blame.Don’t you have the guts to call it like it is? If the man is accountable wouldn’t he have a decision in the pregnancy?How, explain to me how scientifically a man is not responsible for pregnancy? That is how it is I'm afraid. It takes a man and a woman to procreate. They both did it. He doesn't have a decision in pregnancy by law because....oh God do I have to repeat myself AGAIN...because if he chose for her to abort when she didn't want to he would be forcing her. It's not the man who has to carry the baby for 9 months. And if you READ what I say... most fathers do have a say because the mother and father will come to a mutual agreement.As for condemning anyone for an abortion…this discussion is not about thatSeriously? All you've done is called everyone names and demeaned and condemned them for believing a woman has a right to abortion.because I know what it’s like, I had oneI'm sorry about the fact you had one but it doesn't mean I can't look past the fact you are a complete hypocrite. How dare you tell me I contribute to abortion and patronize me like that when I've never done anything to contribute to abortion and you've had one. I was one of those women who spread her legs. It was my call, my responsibility and the pain and agony I suffered was on me as it should be.In a sense I'm beginning to feel like you have had some strange notions thrust upon you. And I actually feel very sorry for you. Someone has clearly put it into your head that you are bad person or a whore or something. The person who had sex with you and created your child is half responsible. It takes two people to make a child. You cannot create a life on your own.So don’t tell me or begin to know about how it feels or what someone goes throughAgain stop lying about things I've said. I never said I did, in fact this seems to be a trait that a lot of Americans have that I hate. Telling someone 'I know how you feel'.I see the pain, especially afterwardsI have friends and family who have had abortions I would never claim to know how they felt, they talk about it and of course most of them are distraught. It's abortion. I never said it was happy fairy la la land. However they could have felt worse if they had a child. What about mothers who are forced into keeping a child and are miserable, unable to love the child? Do their emotions mean nothing?but by the boyfriends, the husbands the childrenI'm not denying it isn't an upsetting process, stop assuming you know everything about my opinion when I haven't even spoken a word about this. Who in their right mind would tell a child they aborted their sibling? How selfish. I would give anything to be able to take that day back…and I know hundreds and hundreds of women who feel the same wayI'm sure there are plenty of woman who feel they did the right thing too.You are pro-choice whether you want to believe it or not…BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CONDONE OTHERS the right to killNot pro-choice thanks. I have a limit. That's like saying 'you're a speeder and broke the law because you drive fast even thought it's within the speed limit!' It makes no sense.Were the people that stood by and did nothing about those who were marched into Hitler’s ovens… pro-life?What has the holocaust got to do with abortion. Since they felt pain and were living, viable humans this has no relation to my opinion.How about those people that owned slaves? Would you have owned a slave or condoned someone else owning one?Again what does having a slave have to do with abortion. Of course I wouldn't and I wouldn't condone it but you're just talking about meaningless jargon now.And do you have to use the F bomb in order to debate? Is it an effective way to get your point across?I sure has hell do when someone accuses me of being a racist murderer.Of course you will retaliate…you condone abortion which is violence.I don't think calling someone a pig is violent, how did you come to that conclusion?You’re so ridiculous it’s not even funny. Bolonga…many people are afraid of death because they do not know what is beyond it….not just because of painI didn't say pain is the only reason people are scared of death. Stop lying. I'm not scared of what's beyond it, I don't believe in religious afterlife in a heaven and hell sense. And if it was true, which I don't believe it is, everyone I love and know has already been condemned to hell in the eyes of God, I'd rather be there supporting my friends and family than sitting in heaven with you.I was making an analogy that you simply did not like. Well does the person who takes the money for the killing contribute? How about the nurse that hands the abortionist the tool that crushes the skull?You accused me of having the same views as a Nazi, you accused me of being a racist murderer. And now you think beecause people perform abortions and assist them they are Nazi's? By the way I am none of these examples and I've never contributed to an abortion. Do you think you are a Nazi and a racist murderer? Since you had an abortion? Abortions are free here. And I also think you've got the abortion operation all wrong. They aren't performed like that anymore. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Abortion/Pages/How-is-it-performed.aspxThen you judge me when you think I retaliate….why are you judging me from different standards than you live by………You name called, you didn't retaliate you instigated. Since revenge is against God's will wouldn't you be sinning again if it had of been retaliation. I'm not judging you by different standards or religion. I'm just telling you what the Bible says, isn't that what happens at church every time you go? Are they judging you?So you don’t like how I put things……..Christ said, they hated me first and will hate you as well.No I just don't want to be quoted scripture since I don't believe in it as the divine truth. It's worthless quoting the Bible to me. I will only accept proven fact as a reliable source.I am not demeaning anyone but stating the truthRefer back to my list of insults and things you have compared me to.BUT HE WOULD BE HELD legally responsible for child support if HE DID NOT WANT THE CHILD AND WANTED HER TO GET AN ABORTIONGood. If they were married like you stated he wouldn't be paying child support anyway.Well you are wrong again….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Elgin_Gill128 days early… or 21 weeks 5 days earlyhttp://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/ 02/worlds_youngest.htm  Actually she is. Are you really going to be that pedantic that you will argue I was one day out on her age. Why don't you produce a real argument?There are babies like this all over the world being born. My niece was born 23 weeks 4 days. She spent five months in the hospital but is perfect today at 18 years old. She weighed just over 1 pound.For the final time read what I say. Or I'm just going to ignore you and watch you continuing to manipulate the truth and lie. I said I don't believe abortion should be allowed past the second trimester as that is when the fetus feels pains. Unless it's a medical reason for the mother or baby.I know the information out there…you need to get educated and read a bit more, instead of just google and posting.Why because you post things from Wikipedia? Wow I wish I had that knowledge. Don't tell me I need to 'get educated' I think it's clear to see who has more accurate spelling and grammar. The only things I've posted are links and small quotes. Everything else is my words. You ask for evidence you get it.You value your own child and don't care about another in the womb....?????I don't really feel the 'worldwide love'. I love my family and friends. That is it. I am not religious or spiritual I do not feel compelled to love anyone other than the people I feel genuine love for. I do not love you, I do not love strangers whether they be child, adult, fetus. At best I like some random people. That does not mean I don't value other people though, I value good people, respectful people, kind people, intelligent people e.t.cYea that is odd for someone who would stand by while another child was slaughtered. Just makes it all better if you know it is painless for that fetus at 22 weeks, right?What do you want me to do set fire to the abortion clinics? Did you want me to pioneer a revolution? Do you want to preach to people? Sorry I won't and I can't. If I saw an actual baby or child I'd intervene with their death. But what the hell is someone meant to do about a fetus. Tie the mother up and feed her through a drip until she gives birth? Fuck sakes, read my words PLEASE. When does the second trimester begin? 12 weeks that's when a baby feels pain, derp. I already said that about 6 times?