azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Children learn math which is relevant, children learn history which is relvant, children learn the releveant languge to their country, children learn foreign languages which imporoves economic opportunites. My one friend grew up in Baghdad, Iraq, and they don't play when it comes to education. He started learning English in the 3rd grade I think through graduation which helped his economic ooportunities, and he is an artchitect so the math helped. Please excuse my typos. I have a learning disability.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

The only relevant skills learned in school that are relevant in the real world are reading, writing and arithmetic. All other skills are learned by on job experience.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Can you prove that claim? .
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Yes, most formal education is useless knowledge. Most jobs are pertinent to job skills rather than education.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

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Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

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Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I was more thinking about math, and history. You really need to calm down. I am not a statist, I am a libertarian, so chill.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

If you are not a statist, then why are pushing formal education so heavily? Formal education is a byproduct of the manifestation of compulsory attendance.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Oh right, everyone who disagrees with you is a statist. Grow up. It is not statist to support education.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Where does that ridiciouls claim come from? I support formal education, not compulsory.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

People need an education to learn skills to survive. .
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

If you are not a statist, then why are pushing formal education so heavily? Formal education is a byproduct of the manifestation of compulsory attendance. No True Scotman fallacy. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NoTrueScotsman
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

This fallacy doesn't apply. I am not redefining the definition of statism to exclude you. It hasn't changed. Statism is the belief that the state should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree. If you believe in the power of the state to control education, then you are a statist. The varying degrees doesn't matter, if any, then statist. If you believe in education brought by free markets, which is what I am arguing for, then not statist.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I am not a statist, I am a libertarian. I voted for Ron Paul, so don't give me that statist crap. I do not want the state to control education, I just want people to be educated. Whether they get a high school diploma or a GED matters not, as long as they get one or the other. I want people to have an education, because we live in an increasingly competitive world. More and more demands are being placed on workers, so it helps to have that education, but I def share your concerns about the disaster that is the current public education system and do you know why? My lovely liberal state denied me an education. I prefer homeschooling myself, and if I ever have children, def will do so. I am forced to get a GED because no school will accept me as a student for grades 9-12. Stay cool, we are on the same side, okay?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Ron Paul is a libertarian though he ran on the Republican ticket.Formal education is merely a means to productivity not an end. Basically, compulsory education hasn't made us more competitive in the marketplace. Skills make us competitive, and some jobs requires education to develop skills.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Ron Paul is a libertarian though he ran on the Republican ticket. Agreed. Reason one why I don't do political parties. I vote based on ideology and policies as it was meant to be. Formal education is merely a means to productivity not an end. I agree. Basically, compulsory education hasn't made us more competitive in the marketplace. I don't understand what you mean. Where do you stand on education? Skills make us competitive, and some jobs requires education to develop skills. Please don't be angry with me, but: this statement seems to support education.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Monopoly Methods in GOVERNMENT School 1. Attendance LawsI don't see the problem with laws about attendance. I don't really see it as monopolization either. It sounds if you are making this sound like a bad thing and the choosing words that convinces the average person that you are correct. This is only what I am perceiving though. 2. Accreditation LawsI also do not see how this is a bad thing. The state rules that your school is doing poorly and so it loses the status it once had before. If the school performs well then credit is give where it is due. I see no problem with this. 3. Anti-Diversity PoliciesElaborate on this part for me, please. 4. State Pre approved Home Schooling CurriculumAgain, PrayerFails, I must ask for you to elaborate further on this for me.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I don't have the time or inclination for the need to further elaborate this to someone with only 82 points.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

What do my points have to do with the status of your argument? Am I not a debater just like you? I am questioning your take on this. Was this all fluff perhaps?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

No, there is no fluff. I don't want to take the time. It is not a matter of status. Basically, I am burnt out of this site, and I am crawling to the finish line.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Ah, then forgive me for being rude then. Shouldn't have became snappish. You must be tired due to the amount of points you have acquired.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I tried to make a comeback, but it is really exhausting, and this maybe it for good. Fair warning, this site was great for debating, but HellNo and JoeCavalry destroyed it with their ridiculous jokes and rants, and it will suck the life out of you with all the garbage that they post.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I'll save the discussion about how long we've had public schools in this country and just say that if you present actual arguments to substantiate your opinion I will deal with them in earnest as a review of my posts on this debate should demonstrate.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

There are plenty debates with my arguments showing how public schools are a complete failure except for the people who operate it. They get paid well. Not going to repeat myself on this site constantly over and over again anymore.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Ironically, Obama:has advocated for chater schools refincreased federal spending on charter schools refpromotes equal access to funding between public and charter schools ref (F)(2)even has a charter school named after him http://www.barackobamacharter.org/
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Maybe you read my comment out of context. I was responding to your post claiming public education lead to a society of morons which is how Obama was elected.I demurred from the public education debate since public education in this country predates the revolution in several areas so your argument would apply to many presidents in our history and since the debate topic was whether Obama is the worst president.If you make arguments defending your position that Obama is the worst president I will attempt to rebut.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I still don't know what made him president for two terms.Cuz people like the thought of a "black" president and he keep promising change, so people were all like "omg, he will do so good for us, he is just what we need! a presidunt dat wants to change this turrible cuntry and help me get my foodstamps."
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Don't worry dude.Obamacare hasn't even started yet really.Clinton already allowed the government to shut down.He isn't anything special. What you need to do is realize that taking money from hard working people to give to people who aren't working hard is a bad idea.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

as a democrat, he just made me a neutral personwell, as an independent, he got my vote.obamacare is not functioningThere is more to ObamaCare than the website.See my other post herehistory was made when the gov. Shutdownand you think that is his fault and not that a concerted effort by Republicans to obstruct the government?I still don't know what made him president for two termsabout 66 million votes...
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

I shall attempt to rebut the examples you have provided. oh, wait...
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

He definitely added to the mess, but it wasn't him alone who created it, GWB, Bill Clinton, GWB Sr., Ronald Reagan deserve some of the blame as well
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I'm sure Obama will recover nicely, it's the rest of us who'll be permanently suffering the consequences of his incompetence.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Right? I'm sure a 6 figure pension and benefits for life will aid his recovery nicely.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

Very true! But what always makes me laugh is when he disparages 'Fat Cats' when he, in fact, is one himself. Are people too stupid to see this?
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: Great President

Look at the mess we have in public office- not just the executive branch, and not even just the federal government but state governments as well. Yeah, I'd say many people are too stupid to see that :/
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

I am willing to wager that he WILL NOT be re-elected ;)
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

As far as fuck-ups go, Obama really takes the cake. Sure he didn't fuck everything up by himself, but he's the MVP.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

He has been a very bad president. All he has done really is run up our debt and got us on the shit paved road to Socialism.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

He had a lot of Momentum, but he fucked up. He was a plain old Buzz kill president. He just set us back.
Debate: Will Obama recover from the absolute mess he has created as president of the US?
Side: One of the Worst

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Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

Yes. Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010. Once people can find jobs, we'll see a lot less of the blind anger we see today. Though Obama's policies (such as the bank bailouts) are unpopular, they were the right thing to do. In the long run, good policy equals good politics. Also, in the coming months, we will pass a good healthcare bill which will be followed by historic financial reform. He has the American people's best interest at heart and I think when 2012 rolls around people will recognize that... not the conservative ideologues of course... but you know, rational people.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

Yes. Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010.Are these the same economists who failed to forecast the current economic recession? Would they also be numbered in the consensus of economists who have never foreseen a recession? Are they also the same economists who’ve never seen a stimulus bill they didn’t praise? Are they also the same economists who faithfully always promise a future of economic hope, lower un-employment, and greater riches? Are they the same economists who can foresee the beginning of economic good times and yet never do foresee the beginning of economic woes? Are these the same economists who are to be blamed for the mantra “house prices will always appreciate”? Are these the same economists who are paid to forecast good-news? Are these the same economists who refuse to invest their wages despite their prognostications about the economy? Are these the same economists whose powers of divination are measured by consumer confidence?Shall I continue…?BTW, Obama will be awarded the Nobel Prize for economics because of his intention to save not only the US economy but also the economy of the World.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

Nobody has a crystal ball. We all understand this. Come back when you have a real argument. (And no, paranoid ad hominem is not a real argument.)
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: No

Then post an argument that is worthy of being logically challenged. Paranoid Ad Hominem?Paranoia? Bullshit, you only hope that it is I and not you who is paranoid!Are you unaware that only some ad hominem arguments are invalid? Regardless of your understanding of ad hominem arguments and when and why they are valid or invalid, I will inform you that my series of questions is implied ad hominem but is certainly not fallacious.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

You're calling me paranoid? I don't think anybody's out to get me. Last I checked that's the opposite of paranoid.I don't really understand your contempt for economists (or rather, economists). Are you saying members of the profession are universally untrustworthy and majorly biased? Let me guess: The only person who really gets it is you. Could you be more of a stereotypical nutjob?Anyway, the implications of your questions are mostly bogus. Economists do at times predict recessions. They don't always call for stimulus. They are not always optimistic. I could address the rest of your questions, but frankly I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to you.With your questions you repeatedly ask why predictions about the future aren't always accurate, as if the answer to that question isn't completely obvious -- no one can predict the future, we can only make educated guesses.Here, since you know everything, how about offering a few projections: What's unemployment going to be at the end of 2010? What's GDP going to be? I personally am no where near arrogant enough to think I can answer those questions. I'd much prefer to leave them to those who have dedicated their lives to studying them.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: No

Before I post a refutation of your latest rebuttal, are you willing to admit before hand that it is logically possible to refute your argument? If you are not willing to admit the possibility of seeing your argument reduced to utter non-sense then there is no necessity on my behalf to demonstrate your failure to refute.When you refuse to recognize your straw-man arguments it suggests to me that you will not recognize a valid refutation of your view.(Why all the emotion?)
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

You could refute my argument by showing either that I am wrong in my assessment of the consensus opinion of economists or showing that accepting this consensus is wrong for some reason.You have thus far attempted (unsuccessfully) to do the latter. But you haven't provided sufficient evidence (or any at all really). Your refusal to accept the opinion of qualified experts reflects a greater anti-intellectual trend we're seeing in American politics (particularly among conservatives). In effect, you are advocating ignorance. And judging by the fact that several people have upvoted you, you're message is appealing. The fact that you are persuading people to do things that would make us all much worse off, pisses me off quite deeply.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: No

Ah, so you want to go to the beginning of our correspondence?Very well!Yes. Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010.Firstly you didn’t distribute your subject, economists. And in response I rationally supposed that you meant some economists. For no man in his right mind would make the error of supposing that all economists agree. Furthermore, I even granted you the supposition that you were referring to the consensus opinion of economists concerning employment of 2010. Secondly, no question I asked you remotely hints at suggesting that all economists are nit-wits. I repeatedly asked questions that implicated only some economists, and never could it be rationally asserted that I implicated all economists. If you disagree, then consider the following example.Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010.A contrary rebuttal: Not all economists expect employment to be back the end of 2010.Finally, demonstrate to me how any question I posed in my original post implicated all economists; for you certainly responded as though I had.Moving on… You refer to conservative ideologues, and then imply they are not rational people.All US economists are conservative ideologues. Why? Because all US economists want to conserve the free-market capitalism of the US which they believe to be perfect or near perfect. Yet, most economists supported the abandonment of free market principles for the sake of capitalism as a means to conserve capitalism. So, who is rational, the economists who protected their ideological view, or the economists who supported the reign of free-market principles. Finally, the track record of the consensus opinion of economists is so poor I can’t believe any person would use the opinion of the same as a premise of an argument. Albeit, the track records of the maverick economists are more in-tune with reality though. My evidence: Reality! Why? If the track record of economists was as worthy of policy as you assert then the economy of the US would not be so fucked up as it is now. Economic forecasts are intended to preclude the mess that we are currently struggling with. Shall I drive that point further?And the reason, I suppose, that my post was up-voted multiple times is because, believe it or not, I spoke of that which they too are witness. And like me, they too have lived long enough to know that an economist predicts so far into the future that most men are not likely to remember the previous forecast of a year ago. Yet, if there are some who do remember, I assure you that the same economists will provide an explanation of why their forecast was wrong. Shall I continue with the remainder of our correspondence?(Better to be pissed off than pissed on.) Oops, I almost forgot!Don’t ask me (implicitly) to divine the un-employment rate of the US for 2010 as an evidence of why the consensus opinion of economists is wrong! They were wrong about this year’s rate of un-employment and I have no reason to believe they can foresee next year’s rate.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

Well in your initial argument it certainly seems as though you are attacking economists in general. Perhaps you could try being more clear in the future.All US economists are conservative ideologues...You misuse the term "conservative" to mean "believer in free markets". This is misleading because liberals also believe in free markets. It's only a question of the degree of government oversight that should exist. You won't find many purists at either end of the spectrum.Finally, the track record of the consensus opinion of economists is so poor...the track records of the maverick economists are more in-tune with reality though.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Thus far you have presented none.Yes, it's clear that most economists fucked up in the case of the current recession. How many times do we have to go over this? The future is hard to predict. The best we can do is make educated guesses. We can't predict the weather with 100% certainty, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Debate: Will Obama win in 2012?
Side: yes

Yes, the mainstream was wrong and some on the fringe were right, in the case of the current recession. But you are using this mistake to imply that the mainstream therefore should be trusted less than the fringe or that they should not be trusted at all. This is the extraordinary claim that I am referring to. To support this claim, you would need to show a comprehensive review of predictions by mainstream economists -- to show that they consistently get things wrong, while the same fringe figure consistently gets things right. Like the old saying goes, even a broken clock it right twice a day.And ffs, it was obvious that when I said "conservative ideologues", I was using the term to mean politically opposed to liberals. Any reasonable person would have seen that. Stop being intentionally dense.