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Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

If I masterbate into a woman's vagina instead of the shower drain it's "potential life" as well. Yet the bible says "it's better to spill your seed on the belly of a prostitute than to let one drop hit the dirt"So basically it's okay to pull out, therefore it must be okay to wear a condom, therefore it must be okay to get rid of a cluster of cells (sperm's a cluster of cells just like that virus in the woman's belly before the third trimester).Really the only lesson your silly book teaches on this is that hiring a prostitute is healthier than jacking off all the time... which I agree with by the way. If only Christians knew the bible as well as atheists I might get along better with you idiots.Anyway, once again this is a case of religion creating a boogie man to control the masses through fear, and everyone forgets what it was like when abortion really was illegal because crazy ass stories are easier to remember than history apparently.The only thing making abortion illegal decreases in the entire history of mankind, is the number of women who have safe abortions. It doesn't decrease the number of abortions, just the number of safe abortions.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

I gave you scientific evidence where science says that once sperm meets egg, it is another living human being. Can't you read? The thing is.....you have not done research on this topic. You have not even looked to see what science says about this. If you did you would know you are wrong. The sperm was alive, when it met the egg which was alive. There is no moral middle ground on this...you cant sit the fence. You are pro-abortion because you say the woman has the right to choose. And if you give her this right, then who the heck are you to tell her when she can and cant abort....because thats personally when YOU THINK, it should be saved. You wont listen to what science says about life in the beginning........you ignore it....then you bring up what science says when fetus is viable. This is not balanced thinking at all. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WOMANS RIGHTS?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

If you will admit that abortion is EVER the best course of action in a given situation, the you will have to also admit that by definition, abortion is not murder. Now since the killing of an unborn fetus is sometimes legally designated as murder, we could discuss when it is appropriately termed "abortion" and when it is appropriately termed "murder"I can jump ahead and point out that in cases of "medical necessity" most people would agree that an abortion is not immoral. Now should the determination of medical necessity be a privately or publicly made decision? ie should a government agency have the authority to review a doctor/patient assessment of medical necessity?Perhaps I've typed enough to spur some conversation.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

I can't admit that of course because I am pro-life. Even in the case of incest and rape...the child is also the victim and has the right to life even though the mother had an act of violence thrust upon her. Abortion is also a violent and cruel act. We dont even abort animals like we do our own human children. In what circumstances do you consider abortion if any murder? Or do you just think all cases of abortion are ok?What do you mean medical necessity? Do you mean the less than 1% of the cases when abortion is perform to save the mothers life? In most cases both can be saved. If there is nothing wrong with abortion....why don't people talk about it like its just any other kind of surgery? It is the most common surgery performed in America today. Do you ever hear a woman say....gee I cant have lunch with you cause I have to have an abortion that day. OR hear a discussion about abortion at the Thanksgiving table? Or a mother tell her kids....about an abortion she had? Why don't people talk openly about abortion today, especially the women getting them? If its moral....then why the stigma? IS THERE SOMETHING MORALLY WRONG WITH ABORTION?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

"We don't even abort animals like we do our own human children"As a former veterinary technician, I can tell you that you're quite mistaken. Many dogs and cats are brought into the vets office to be "spayed" in late stages of pregnancy. The pups/kits that are removed with the uterus are usually killed immediately by breaking their necks or by lethal injection. Horrific, yes it is. But beats the heck out of the alternative, having even more unwanted pets in the streets and shelters. I don't like having to choose a side that says "abortion is right" because I don't think it is. But I do absolutely believe in the right of a woman to choose an abortion if she and her doctor believe it is the best choice for her. Sometimes an abortion is the lesser of two evils - and I don't think anyone but a woman and her doctor should be allowed to make that decision for her.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Well Hollywood goes to doors for animals.....animals are put on the endangered list, and many people put animals above humans. We are however are not animals...and abortion is barbaric. If you believe that a woman has the right to choose......then you must allow her that choice throughout the entire pregnancy, or you enslave her because YOU DONT THINK its right at that point. At what point does she loose control of the right to decide? If you condone abortion....you are pro-choice, not pro-life. If there were a nationwide poll and we were allowed to vote.....1/ woman can choose 2/abortion illegal with stipulations....she was dying............which one would you choose? If you choose 1, then your vote is on the abortion side. How many lives did your vote save? NONE.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

If there is nothing wrong with abortion....why don't people talk about it like its just any other kind of surgery?Your surgery opinion is stupid. I never had someone, unless I knew them on a highly personal level, talk about surgery. When was the last time someone waltzed up to you in work and said "hey, today I'm having a groin abcess drained!"In what circumstances do you consider abortion if any murder?This the UK abortion act.To comply with the 1967 Abortion Act, two doctors must give their consent, stating that to continue with the pregnancy would present a risk to the physical or mental health of the woman or her existing children.This is my view entirely. You can't pin point exact opinions or 'when is it murder' because it always depends on circumstance. If you mean gestation I can't answer that because it's purely scientific but I personally believe once a baby is a viable living age.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Oh please....people have surgery all the time and talk about it. You are avoiding where I am taking you because your back is against the wall and you know it. No one talks about abortion because abortion is killing a living human being. That is fact. What woman wants people to know she did this? If you value all life...the circumstances don't matter...only if the mother is dying on the table. Most people are pro-choice because they do not believe anyone should tell a woman what to do with their own bodies. Then they turn around and tell the woman she cant control it after the time they think its viable. Viability should not matter if you believe it is human and deserves the right to live.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

You forget that she's from the UK. The British don't tend to randomly share such personal information with random people, whether it's kidnehy surgery or abortion. (Yes, that stereotype was satirically intended for the purpose of pointing out that her country is different then ours.)That's hypocritical for you to say. In fact, that's contradictory. ;) If the circumstances don't matter to you, then the circumstance of the mother dying on the table shouldn't matter either. You're a big fat hypocrite. REAL pro-life people I've talked to think the mother should die.Circumstance is the only thing that matters in anything, ever. If you value all life, then you are an idiot. If you value all human life, then you're supposed to treat them with empathic logic, the only logic of morality. People are numbers in the end. If you don't treat them like numbers and instead like individuals, more will be lost then gained. You can't just say that it's right to let the mother die because abortion is murder, because that, by definition, is incentive to murder. If you value all human life, you can't say that euthanazia is right, but letting a mother die in childbirth is euthanazia. According to your logic, you'd have to choose in between murder and murder. And that's why circumstance is the only factor that matters. What if a doctor like you is in that situation described above? What is he supposed to do? What he's SUPPOSED to do is abandon your false logic! It is not logic because it does not factor in the unpredictable variable that is circumstance! If you want to do the right thing, you have to think of everyone and everything as a whole, not one specific factor in the equation! You can't solve for x in an xy equation without also solving for y! Your logic tries to solve for just x.As you can see, that is impossible. That's why I don't agree with either radical side of this debate. If you really care about people and life, neither should you.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Oh please....quit making excuses. People dont talk about it because its an act that kills a living human being. And it does not matter where abortion happens its the same thing. Most women do not come forth with this information because of the nature of abortion. IT KILLS. Women know what it does and they don't want to be judged. That is why so many women suffer in silence over past abortions. I am not a hypocrite...you just don't get this issue. First of all your a man...and men are really not important in this issue...unfortunately. Most laws say after you ejaculate and implant the sperm your nothing....well unless she desides to have the baby and sues wrongfully for child support. Only then are you an issue. If your wife or girfriend get pregnant by you..........you have no say even if you want your child. And you have no idea what having an abortion is like.....or what a woman might just go through, physically or emotionally. Your opinion would be like mine if I told a NFL player how it felt to be tackled on the field. You losing it by calling names? Is that how you interact with people.....calling them names and using profanity. Your entire worldview is pathetic...and shows humanism for what it is....and empty worldview devoid of real happiness. And I do not believe in human euthanazia or the death penalty. As I said what you describe does not happen that often in the case of mothers immediately in danger of dying...except a tubal pregnancy. As I said...the life of the mother would come first. The doctor would treat the woman....and still would not have to cut the unborn apart. If I really care about people, you mean the way you dont? I love people and I help and care for people especially people who are less fortunate than I am. It is sad that all you care about is yourself...that much is obvious. What a sad way to live.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

It's not just me being name called and demeaned by this person then...But hell apparently I'm a Nazi so what do I know?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

No they don't. Maybe if they had an appendix removed. But there as so many minor operations people don't talk about because it's personal. Besides I know people who have had abortions and because I know them personally they have told me about them. Perhaps it's unheard of to you because no one would admit it to such a anti-abortionist radically opinionated person such as yourself.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

I can't admit that of course because I am pro-life.Who is the authority on what pro-lifers may and may not admit?In what circumstances do you consider abortion if any murder?If it's murder it's murder, if it's abortion it's not murder. Situations where a life is ended for no good medical reason shouldn't be called abortions.Or do you just think all cases of abortion are ok?I don't think it's OK to commit murder and call it abortion.What do you mean medical necessity?Necessary as determined in the confidential Doctor Patient relationship.Do you mean the less than 1% of the cases when abortion is perform to save the mothers life?Don't get me wrong, I think it's disgusting, how often murdering a perfectly viable and healthy fetus passes for a legitimate medical procedure.If there is nothing wrong with abortion....why don't people talk about it like its just any other kind of surgery?Because a very young human dies, and people don't want to think about that. They want to put it out of their minds.It is the most common surgery performed in America todayThat gives me the shivers to think about.IS THERE SOMETHING MORALLY WRONG WITH ABORTION?No.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

So elaborate on that.Is abortion ok if the child is the wrong sex?Something wrong with it?Timing is wrong?Dont know who father is?Might be born into poverty?Mother has to many other kids?Mother cant afford it?Mother wants to sell fetal body parts?Rape? Incest?Woman might have stretch marks?Which one is a good medical reason for abortion? Less than 1% of ALL ABORTIONS ARE DONE ON WOMEN WHO ARE DYING. In most cases the baby can be saved.Odd...you know its taking the life of a little human being...it gives you the shivers...you dont want to think about it......BUT YOU SAY ITS NOT MORALLY WRONG. LMAOIf its not wrong and the most widely performed surgical procedure in the country...world....then why do you shiver? Did I miss something?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Look murder and abortion are two different things. If lots of murders are happening and being mistakenly referred to as abortions, let's hear you elaborate on that. Without establishing a logical basis though, I'm afraid our discussion will go nowhere.LYAO all you want while discussing this ugly subject
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Starting from the top:Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness and to save it from agony in life.Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness.No, because that would have to be after consciousness, unless it is fore stem cell research and before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness.Yes, if before consciousness and for the affirmative reasons to 'Something wrong with it?'... Yes, if before consciousness. Though, for that shallow reason, even I can agree it's a waste of valuable meat if the abortion is before consciousness. There doesn't need to be a medical reason for killing an inhuman piece of meat, because it's meat. There are no morals applied to killing it. A conscious human, on the other hand...Yes, it does give me the shivers to take a human life. But the life of meat? Not really, no. It's like fighting bacteria. It has no soul, why care about bacteria? (Not that this specific part of the response has anything to do with you addressing me.)He thinks it's not wrong because abortion (to him) and murder and totally different. So yes, you did miss something. Again.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

What is the difference between a viable fetus (and many so called viable babies die after being born after 24 weeks) at 24 weeks and a fetus at 23 weeks? Do you know for a fact that one at 23 weeks would not survive? My neice was born at 23 weeks. Most pro-aborts here would say it is fine to kill them at that gestational age. And tell me atypican....what gives anyone the right to kill a human being at any gestational age?Do you know much about fetal development? Take a look at this website...if you click on the date it will show you an actual 3-D picture.http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week This one is 16 months....http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-16-weeks Baby can show facial expressions and can hold head erect. The baby pumping over 25 quarts a day. Unbelievable. All this is happening well within the legal time a woman can abort. Tell me why this is not human............. http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=fetus+at+16+weeks
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

And tell me atypican....what gives anyone the right to kill a human being at any gestational age?The right to kill a human being at any gestational stage doesn't exist. For MDs, the right to kill one at earlier stages is given to them by the mother.TLW?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

I think they did a scientific study a while ago about when a fetus can feel pain (or when the brain was active) and used that to create a cut off point of 24 weeks (in the UK). However this has obviously been discredited after babies as young as 22 weeks have survived, yet the abortion gestation has not changed. This is clearly inhumane, and I think it should be lowered. But how you would find a ethical gestation point is beyond me.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

So you say its inhumane but still are pro-choice? What does that say about YOU?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

... I just looked up miscarriage. Apparently this god character, all powerful and all knowing as he is, simply allows between 900,000 and 1 Million babies to die in the womb of 100% natural causes every single year. Jesus, God performs more abortions than every doctor on earth combined like exponentially.That's it, I'm starting a god hates god church and protesting every miscarriage in the country. Fucking god and his free-sex laissez faire attidude toward pregnancy.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

One if four to one in five pregnancies will end in miscarriage before the 12th week.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Why are you bringing religion into this. Lets debate this from a scientific point of view. Tell me what science says about it. You always know when someone loses it... they start swearing. Why should you be taken seriously when your potty mouth speaks more than the content of what you are saying? Shows a lack of knowledge and class. And by the way....who says God causes miscarriages? Can't they be an act of nature? You hate God/idea of God so much that you can't even control your emotions. LOLJesus does not perform abortions. The woman walks in on her own, hires someone to kill the living human being inside her....that is an abortion. This is not a miscarriage. Your so empty....
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

You're the one who used God to support your debate actually. So yes, if you'd like to bring God into it then everyone else will assume this is a fair topic.Christians forever believe that God chooses when a persons life begins and ends, so yes technically God decides to end the life of millions of unborn babies, that's if you choose to believe the Bible and Christianity teachings as the divine truth.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Stop assuming a person's belief based on their tag, silly. Not everyone wants to be that douche that creates a new third tag.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Will you just go away and actually really people's arguments for once? I said aborting a baby at 24 weeks is inhumane as it has a chance to survive if the mother were to deliver naturally. I've also previously said the abortion gestation should be lowered from 24 weeks.The problem you're not getting here is that I don't believe people should just go around aborting the babies all the time. I believe a negative circumstance should give the woman the choice to abort.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

And what is a negative circumstance that would meet your appoval? Is it your business why a woman aborts? My neice was born at 23 weeks.....and babies have lived a few weeks earlier than that. Do you think you could pinpoint the EXACT point in the pregnancy when the fetus is work saving? I would think since abortion kills, that you would want to be right on the money here. Or doesn't it make any difference?So what is your stance on abortion?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

It has nothing to do my with my approval. I'm using negative circumstance as an example as to why a woman might abort.Not a few weeks earlier I do believe the youngest was 22 weeks. I'm not arguing that, which leads me to believe you DO NOT read the arguments people make! I think the latest gestation for abortion should be lowered.Here you go Mr. Science.Most scientists agree that pain is experienced in the cortical areas of the brain, which do not develop until the second trimester. Painful experiences result in autonomic (they occur automatically during pain) physiologic changes that can be measured. For example, when we fell pain, our bodies produce endorphins and cortisol to help deal with the pain. One study was conducted on fetuses during blood draws. This study showed elevated fetal plasma cortisol and beta-endorphin response to intrauterine needling early in the second trimester but not before.So the first trimester is an ideal time for abortion which is when most occur anyway. It's extended mostly for medical reasons as some deformities and disabilities cannot be detected until the second trimester which is a time I will agree the woman has a right to an abortion in the second trimester. Answered now?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

Judge not lest you be judged. :'(
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

... wait, did you just try to bring science into an obviously poorly desguised religion debate? How dare you? Feel the wrath of whichever idiot is going to argue with you while ignoring everything you just said.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

Where did you get that 15% stat? You cant put a stat out there and not tell us where it was taken from.
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: abortion is wrong

I brought science into this issue. One does not need to even mention God to know that abortion is the barbaric killing of a living human being. What don't you get?
Debate: Abortion the defining Moral issue of our day
Side: Abortion is right

You've not mentioned a single stat or study, just your self-righteous bullshit. There's nothing wrong with abortion before the third-trimester because it's no more alive than mold or an amoeba. And it's also none of your business. More people die of starvation or war than these clusters of cells from abortion anyway. Why don't you and your psychotic ilk try doing something about that instead of crusading against teenage mothers and rape victims. It seems a bit cowardly that with all that is wrong in the world you can only pick on little girls.