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Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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You can observe your own spirit. That's why this is personal.No, you cannot observe a spirit. You can experience one, but you cannot physically see one. You can't prove that it is "in your head".I can put a probability on it.Yes. But I don't claim to know all the details. I'm not saying it hurts to try and discover these details through science.OK, little hypothetical then. Say that science came out and, whilst not completely disproving God, eliminated all need for a creator being, and had a complete model of the universe. Would you give up your faith?But it was still irrational.Why? I gave an in depth explanation AND clarification as to why I saw it as beneficial. So you're complaining that an idea can't offer brilliant testing methods and evidence? That's silly.Straw man.That's what I was going to ask you? When you say why let religion on the team what are you implying?I'm not implying anything, I'm asking you a question.What you were saying is that faith is blind and that my personal beliefs are 'unlikely'.And I stand by that.I would agree if you said that religious people and non religious people struggle to mix. And I would disagree with that. I get on perfectly fine with religious people, as have most irreligious folk throughout history.But it's pretty closed minded to separate the two. It's a competitive thing.A competition between what?We both know that science is concrete and you're trying to separate the two to make anyone who believes in god look bad.Straw man dos. I'm saying that religion should have no involvement in science, in the same way we don't let Pastafarian teachings influence quantum physicists. The religious can do what they want.Why don't you just take it case by case instead of judging very large groups of people?Like I said, i's not my job to do that. If the Christian world can't organize itself efficiently, why should I be the one making excuses for them?
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I never said you had to physically see one.Then you shouldn't have used "observe".Based on what? That's my point, you base finding truth on worldly science. I base finding truth on the holy ghost. We're going nowhere with this which was the original point I was making. You're proving my point this is incompatible.Actually, my probability isn't based on science, it's based on philosophy and logic. Simply and briefly, the Judeo-Christian God contradicts itself multiple times, and almost certainly cannot exist as its doctrine describes.Almost every atheist I've met on this site tries to make these debates about proving god exists.(because you know I can't) It doesn't have to be about that.All I want is a debate about your reasons for believing in God, I know you can't prove God exists.The best way I can answer this is that I believe that we learn all things through the holy ghost. That includes science. If there was a God wouldn't it make sense for him to provide a way for us to learn and develop things? So why would God have this methodology essentially disprove his existence (in the hypothetical)?So then what point were you making when you said that religion can't offer those things?Is that what you said? I may have misread your response, it looked like you were saying that it's silly to complain about ideas. But anyway, why is it silly to complain about religion's shortcomings?By using a hypothetical example such as this you weren't trying to make a point or imply anything? That's weird.The point will come when you answer the question.So team represents a group of scientists and x represents religion. That doesn't make sense. How can religion (a belief) be on the same team as people?I should really clear that up. X is religious scientists actively letting their religion affect their research. I thought I could just put "religion", but meh.It's fine to not let one interfere with another but when you say anyone who believes in god is disregarding science you're being incredibly biased and closed minded. And intolerant.Prove me wrong then.Lol of course the Christian world cannot organize itself efficiently. Do you realize how many conflicting beliefs are within that world?Which surely tells you something about the veracity of their claims, no?
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I believe in God because he HAS answered many peoples prayers before . Although there are bad things in the world , its all for a reason . I guess
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Oh, so miracles were proved? Tell me, who God listened to and what He did? And, of course, reliable sources and concrete evidences.
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I believe in God because He died on the cross for our sins and rose from the grave. Muhammad and Budda there graves are not empty but Jesus grave is empty. Jesus fulfilled 30 prophecies and Muhammad and Budda fulfilled none.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Who keeps downvoting my agruments everytime when I post something? Whoever keeps doing it keep doing because you will lose points. This is the 2nd time in a row.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Atheists claim it's a supernatural being that's down-voting you.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this lifeshould not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny theattributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to beable to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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"The duty of man is not to question or deny theattributes or presence of God,"A true God (and true prophet/master/son of god/priest or any other spiritual or religious leader) would welcome and encourage us to have questions and would think it is wise to have doubts. Only through real understanding can anyone become a true follower and an enlightened or graced person.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Bow down to some mythical being? Sorry but I'd rather not follow some figure created by people from long ago.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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There is absolutely no reason to think that there is any god anywhere.This being the case, it makes you look fairly delusional to keep stating what you think god is or isn't, since you have no information about a god to go on.Just ridiculous.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I downplay your posts because your posts are inaccurate/fallacious.You have poor reasoning skills.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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He died on the cross for our sinsProof?and rose from the graveProof?Muhammad and Budda there graves are not emptyProof?but Jesus grave is emptyProof? Also, relevance?Jesus fulfilled 30 propheciesProof?and Muhammad and Budda fulfilled none.Proof?
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Мені не потрібно надати докази, що Бог існує, тому що я вже обговорювали з вами з приводу існування Бога.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I can only read and not understand, you said: "meni ne potribno nadati dokazi, sho bog isnoe tomoo sho ya vzhe obgovopyuvali z vami z privoddoo icnovnnya boga " Translation according to Google :" Menі not potrіbno nadati proof, scho іsnuє God, that I scho vzhe obgovoryuvali s s drive you іsnuvannya God."
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Well I am going to speak a language that many of you don't know you are just going to find out yourself what language I am speaking. The reason is because so that people won't be able to dispute my arguments.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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That really is the lamest technique I've seen yet.I do not need to provide proof that God exists because I have discussed with you about the existence of God.How is this a rebuttal?
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I didn't say that .
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Мені не потрібно надати докази, що Бог існує, тому що я вже обговорювали з вами з приводу існування Бога. Same thing
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Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Google Translate: I do not need to provide proof that God exists because I have discussed with you about the existence of God.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Just because you've ran over a topic before with someone doesn't mean going over it again won't bring new information.
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NOne of this is proof that god is real.....Get me evidence and you win, sadly there is none...
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There are three ways in which something could exist: -it came from nothing -it had been created  -it had built itself. - it has always existed. Logic can tell us that nothing can create nothing. And it is absurd to think that the universe created itself. Now you have two options left: _it was created  -it always existed. We know it could not have always existed because it has been scientifically proven that the universe had a beginning (big bang)So we have one option, it has been caused or created. Now, how was it created? Many would say the laws of nature created the universe, but we have a problem there, because many aspects of the theories which would allow quantum tunneling and quantum fluctuation require the universe created to be a closed universe, but our universe turns out to be an open universe.
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Muhammad did fulfill prophecies. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/379/
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A supposedly fulfilled prophecy needs to be accurate enough to be relevant, unable to be fulfilled by the will of man, and provable beyond all reasonable doubt in order to be genuine. For example, saying some people will die or disasters will happen is too vague. Predicting your religion will conquer a certain area, or a child will be born in a specific place with a given name motivates those who believe in the prophecy to make it so. And proof cant be hearsay. No, show me a carbon dated, 2000-year-old prophecy that predicts, for example, a natural disaster occurring in a specific spot at a specific time and accurately describing the results (number of casualties, buildings destroyed, etc...), and I'll be impressed.
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Here are some sites you can investigate: http://www.scienceislam.com/index.php http://www.islamreligion.com/ http://islam.speed-light.info/
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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I investigated each one, briefly, and was confronted with the usual load of scripture backed bullshit on every site. If there's something interesting on a website, show me the article or summarize the argument in your dispute, but I don't have time to trawl through even more religious propaganda sites. Give me a site i can credit to being relatively reliable (anything with "Islam" in the domain doesn't make the cut) and either point me to a specific part of the site that addresses my argument or supports yours, or just paraphrase it for me. I generally try to refrain from spamming atheist propaganda in lieu of an argument because i think it indicates i lack the wherewithal or eloquence to make the case for my opinion.
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Technically if it was indeed a "propaganda site" then it would actually be a dishonest site because there would be some truth. I am just saying. This post is neutral.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Propaganda is just information or media aimed at getting people to think a certain way, as opposed to information that is purely informative and lets people draw their own conclusions. If the people making the media or collecting the information have, in their tasks, a mission to persuade people to think how they want them to, i would call that biased and i would call it propaganda and i would call it a load of useless lies. And i find comforting support for my ideas on sites aimed at getting people to be atheists, but i wouldn't use my security blanket as a tool of persuasion. I try to post the most unbiased sources possible or only use irrefutable information presented in a biased source. The list of sites above complies to neither of those standards.And the best lies usually contain some element of truth.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
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I don't know what this shows in any context other than extreme unoriginality and a complete lack of imagination. This is a psychological refuge. Obviously if you go around "warning" people about the kind of fantasy-land stuff you find in religious dogma people aren't going to take you seriously. That's just common sense, not wisdom.
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Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.How these words are extreme unoriginality while I see these words are embodied in you.
Debate: Get this over with...why do you believe/disbelieve in God?
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http://www.scienceislam.com/index.phpArguments from incredulity are not arguments, nor are arguments from design or ignorance, which is what the arguments on this site are. After this one, I had no desire to search the other two, if you wish to argue their points, I'll be more than happy to.
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one of them probably talks about the defeat of Rome. The Romans were defeated on the lowest point on earth, it has been proven that where they fought was indeed the lowest point on earth. (Alf Laam Meem  The Roman Empire has been defeated  In the lowest part of the Earth and they, after being defeated, shall overcome  Within a few years. Allah's is the command before and after; and on that day the believers shall rejoice  With the help of Allah; He helps whom He pleases; and He is the Mighty, the Merciful  (This is) Allah's promise! Allah will not fail His promise, but most people do not know  They know the outward of this world's life, but of the hereafter they are absolutely heedless I never tried posting this, what do you think? not too harsh
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There is no consensus on this, from a historical perspective, or from a Qu'ran translation perspective. It seems that the Romans were defeated in Jerusalem and not on the dead sea. Also there is ambiguity in the translation of Adna, which some say means nearer in traditional Arabic, but is used now as lowest, lower or minimum. I don't know too much about history, but I do know that it is written by the victors, so given the defeat of the Eastern Roman Empire by the Arabs, I'd say there's a good chance this was written in after, but this is only my opinion and not a fully informed rebuttal
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both, referring to land as lowest point on earth which is very close to the dead sea. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_opS7ZcZqLsg/TC_fp93jx0I/AAAAAAAAAmU/1RikGub3m2I/s1600/The-Negev-1266563570.jpeg They fought in Masada, the lowest point on earth, http://balisunset.hubpages.com/hub/Battle-of-Masada-73-74-AD  this is my source for Masada.
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I'm not going to argue this too much, as I said my historical knowledge is sparse, and my knowledge of Arabic even more so, limited to phrases and small conversations, what I will say though is that I wouldn't trust info on Blogs. My main dispute was centered around the validity of the Qu'ran passage, how can it be trusted as accurate?
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Not only that but it even talks about the Byzantines being victorious again in a few years, Alif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will THEMSELVES BE VICTORIOUS IN A FEW YEARS' TIME... (Sura Rum, 1-4) This was revealed around 620 CE, seven years after the defeat of Byzantium by the Persians. Yet the verses stated that Byzantium would shortly be victorious. Byzantium had suffered such heavy losses that it seemed impossible for it even to survive, let alone be victorious. Not only the Persians, but others posed serious threats to it. The empire was on the point of collapse. Many areas were invaded by the Persians.Everyone was expecting the Byzantine Empire to be destroyed. But at that moment, the verses of Sura Rum were revealed, announcing that Byzantium would triumph. This seemed so impossible that Arab polytheists made fun of these verses.Around seven years after this, in 627 CE, a battle between Byzantium and the Persian Empire was fought. And this time the Byzantine army unexpectedly defeated the Persians. Later, the Persians made an agreement, obliging them to return the territories they had taken.
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Ok, I think I may have found what you wanted. The early Muslim community perceived the Christian Byzantine Empire (or Eastern Romans, therefore ar-Rum) as nearer to their religion, whilst the Meccans felt more inclined to the Persian religion.The Meccan polytheists taunted the Muslims by pointing to the recent military defeats of the Byzantines by the Persian Sassanid Empire, that adhered to Zoroastrianism, and predicted that the Christian Byzantines were about to be defeated, and that the Muslims were next in lineIn this situation, in AD 615, Muhammad announced that he had received a revelation, the Sura al-Rum, that the Romans would triumph over the Persians and the Muslims over the Meccan polytheists . The Qur'an, Chapter 30, Verse 1-6 says: "Alif Lam Mim. The Romans are vanquished,In the lowest land, and they, after being vanquished, shall overcome,within a few years. Allah's is the command before and after; and on that day the believers shall rejoice, With the help of Allah; He helps whom He pleases; and He is the Mighty, the Merciful; (This is) Allah's promise! Allah will not fail His promise, but most people do not know." You should know two things, in the battle in Israel, very near the dead sea, they were fighting on the lowest land, the lowest point on earth, this could not have been known at the time. Second, prediction was revealed in the Quran around the year 620 AD, about 7 years after the severe defeat of the Christian Byzantine armies (led by Heraclius) by the idolatrous Persians. The first verses of Surat-Ar-Rum predicted that the severely defeated Romans would soon be victorious over the idolatrous Persians. At the Battle of Antioch in 613–614 AD, the Persians took control over important Byzantine territories expanding into Syria, Jerusalem, Armenia and Egypt. The Byzantium was so very unlikely to get over this Persian expansion and was about to collapse totally. In 622, Heraclius gained a number of victories over the Persians and conquered Armenia. In 627, the two empires fought a decisive battle at Nineveh, some 50 km east of the Tigris river, near Baghdad.In verse 4, the Arabic word "biḍa‘" (Arabic بضع) that is translated as "a few" means a number between 3 to 9[4]. That's to say, the Romans shall be victorious over the Persians within three to nine years of their previous defeat in 613–614 AD. The first remarkable victory of Heraclius over the Persians after his defeat was in the Battle of Issus in 622 AD.
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I prophecy should need to guesstimate within a few days, ideally it should say "and the Romans will be defeated at 8:58am on Wednesday, May 2, 622AD." For example. Also predicting the outcome of a battle opens up human interpretation and motivation regarding the prediction, ideally it should predict something outside of human control, so humans cant fulfill a prophecy by their own means. As for it being the lowest place on earth... this could be as indicative of divine revelation as it is of circumstantial ignorance. No doubt the tallest mountains known the the people in that area around 600AD were, in their minds, the tallest mountains on earth. But, like i said, maybe it was enlightenment. The problem is that its potentially a lucky guess and cant prove anything as assuredly as the timestamped prediction example i wrote above.
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All the prophecies came true, I just gave you the one you wanted, and come on, the prophecy seemed so very unlikely and why ware you talking about mountains what does that have to do with anything?