Debate: Creationism vs. Evolutionism
Side: creationism

"Just because you believe something does not make it true. I could believe there are a colony of midget gingers who ride 8-legged giraffes and have hair made of steel living on the dark side of the moon but that doesn’t make it true. I could believe anything but just because I believe it has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is true. If you are going to espouse a positive affirmation, such as that dragons of witches or god then the burden of proof is on you. Until you prove that something does exist, you cannot assume it does, and belief has nothing to do with existence. If I believed that I was a millionaire and had the body of star athlete and had every talent in the world it will not change the fact that I am none of those. Belief has nothing to do with reality, and I cannot stress that enough. I suggest we end this debate soon as the posts are getting ridiculously long and this debate is beginning to run its course. It’s been good but debating just seems to entrench people in their own positions."As I was reading your post, I was already forming my answers and I could almost hear my brain working, then I read your final statement of how your wishes to debate are closing in and I felt a great sense of disappointment overwhelm me. I have never debated someone like you who has such a positive attitude. You say that you wish to end this debate soon so I will try to make this post shorter and answer only a couple of your points; in main, the ones that have been stressed over the stretch of our argument.The first point is you say you don't know what I want for evidence so you headed into the logic end of the pool. This is what I expected of an atheist who was backed against a wall, but still, I really don't understand why you are sticking to a theory that you even state yourself you cannot find the raw data that provides the real evidence. Instead, you believe it based on the awards won by the academy scholars. If this isn't "blind faith" I don't know what it is. Secondly, you go on to say that they present their findings; wrong, they give a pretty little story and flash some pictures of bats or plants in your face and expect you to believe them without giving you the real evidence that they base these stories on. "And the church you follow does not deny evolution, the pope himself, a man who is God’s representative on earth, and is supposedly infallible, says there is not conflict between evolution and faith"I don't follow any church, or a pope. Just becase the pope believes in evolution, that does not mean that all Christians should do so also. "Actually it does make the bible incorrect. It doesn’t have anything to do with differences in classifications, it has to do with differences in reality. If I were to call a chair a table, then you proved to me that chairs were not tables, I could not say, well my system of classification of chairs as tables was fine for the time I used it at, it still does not change the fact that a chair is not a table. It is a misclassification, and the fact that it happened in another time is irrelevant. Just because I thought chairs were tables while I did not know the truth at the time, and made an error that would be discovered later, still means I made an error. Moses said bats were birds, however bats are not birds, therefore moses, thus something in the bible, is wrong. Just because he didn’t know any better doesn’t change the fact that he was wrong. You can’t say someone was right just because they didn’t know they were wrong."Wrong again. You have kept out key elements; firstly, the time period. When Moses wrote Genesis, it was to his knowledge and understanding that bats were birds. Thousands of years later, we, in our modern day world, have established a system where we categorize absolutely everything; we have terms for behaviours, characteristics, disorders, varied forms of stationary, advanced medicines etc etc etc. We categorize everything from animals and plants down to our behaviours, OCD, depression and autism - the list is endless. Now, just because back then there was not such an advanced categorization system where doctors would stick a label on their patient and send them along to the local pharmacy does not make them wrong, it simply further shows us the difference in time and the advanced and modern days that we live in. Back then, black was black and white was white. Nowadays, there are several shades of black, and several shades of white. Am I making myself clear? Moses was in no way wrong, and anyone with logic can see this.For me to go into the Noah's ark argument again would make this post longer than any one yet and you say you want to end this debate soon, so I will cover the point where you ask me why I believe the bible without evidence. You boldly assume that the bible has no evidence which is where I tell you different; there is evidence for the bible. You mention in your last statement also about belief not being reality; it is these two statements that make not myself look blind but rather yourself. A man who has to see to believe and who cannot grasp or possess the concept of faith and who leans on the stories of men who fail to produce the evidence for their supposed 'findings' is the blind and weak one. As for the excerpts I included, it was not I that typed them, so when you ask me for one of the studies that the author included, I am afraid you will have to email him or leave a message on his site as he has access to them, not myself. Also, the link that you commented on was not sent by me, I was going to exclude it from the text as I had not even been on it myself (I found his words far more interesting so saw no need to enter the link) but thought that it would no longer be his text so I left it. You say it did not validate the claims; well now you know what its like to be sent a useless link lol - just be lucky it wasn't five or more!On that last note, you ask me what evidence I have to back up the bible. I have hoards of evidence to back it up; I even have evidence that I don't have to send to you - you can step outside your house and stare at the world. Or, better still, get down on your knees and speak to the/your Creator instead. P.S. Sorry for the lacking quality in this post but I have been debating with other members who accuse me for not replying to their posts and in addition to this I am exhausted. Again, I apologize. It has been interesting and rewarding debating with you. I was hoping that perhaps I could share my faith with you and you could experience the incredible love of our Lord Jesus Christ. It seems you are leaning on the theories more heavily than I had thought and for that I cannot stress enough my overwhelming disappointment. However, perhaps we will debate in the future if I remain a debator on this site. May God bless you.