azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

It takes two to begin the process of making a child. After that though, it's largely the woman who does all the ground work.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Because I really have nothing more to say on this subject, please refer to my last debate where this side did, in fact, win and where I posted all my thoughts on this subject.http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Abortion_What_About_a_Man_s_Choice
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Yes he should if he is going to support that child all the way through. It doesn't seem as though the father has many rights at the present but he should.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

I believe a father has the right to refuse an abortion because it is as much his kid as it is hers.....i mean why the fuck not? Just because the woman doesn't want to be fat or some stupid shit like that is no reason why the father should not be thought of in this decision, if you don't think you can support the kid then fine, but at least hear what the father thinks about it also
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Assuming abortion is legal at the time, like now, then yes, the father should have a say. It's his baby too. If I got my fictional girlfriend or wife pregnant and she went and got an abortion, I'd be devastated and most likely leave her. She has no right to kill my child because she doesn't want one at that time. The only times I'd tell her to get one is if the pregnancy might kill her or if it was from rape or incest. Even if she had cheated on me, I would urge her to keep it.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

Urging her to keep it is fine. Voicing your strong opinions is fine. Saying "this will end our relationship" is fine (arguably it's not real supportive, but it is a legitimate position).Mandating that a woman's body be subject to the demands of another person against her wishes for nine months, though, is not fine.If and when the fetus can be successfully and safely transplanted into the father's body to gestate without any serious risks to the mother, then maybe the father should have a determinative say. But until then, the one whose body is at issue makes the call.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

All I see is that "the one that makes the call" can do as she pleases (screw around) without any consequences to her actions and all at the expense of the fetus. Hey, it's not the woman's fault. It is everybody else's fault (the father, the fetus, you name it). It is never the woman's fault. She never has any say in the matter when it comes to getting pregnant so she must be protected and allowed to have an abortion. Nice.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

We all have to make sacrifices and sometimes we just can't get what we want. If I were a woman and I got pregnant, I think I would take the father's input into consideration. And if he truly wants to have the baby, then I would make the sacrifice to birth it. It's all a matter of owning up to your mistakes and understanding and following through with your consequences.As a side note, I did not downvote your argument, so I will be upvoting it because you made valid points and it was well written.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: sacrificial offerings

We all have to make sacrificesSome women reserve the right to sacrifice their fetuses and embryos. Do not they argue both implicitly and explicitly that they (the women) will benefit as a direct consequence of abortion?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

I find it hard to believe how many people are so open to double standards and passing blame. The father should bear burden whether he wants the child or not. The mother should just be able to kill the child and have no consequence for her actions. Makes no sense.The feminism movement caused so much uproar about how women were being mistreated and did not have equal rights. Why ignore it when its happening the other way?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

I propose, that if a father wants an abortion and the mother does not, she should have to bear all burden of this child when it comes into the world.Also, if the opposite happens and as already mentioned, he is willing to bear all financial burden, find someone else to deliver the child, free her of all burden after the child is born that he should have a say.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Yes, a father should be able to say no to an abortion because it isnt just the mother who conceived the child, they both conceived a child together. If they both can decide on having sex without protection, then they both can decide on whether to keep the baby or not.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Has anyone thought of an argument that fundamentally would fit with the pro-choice argument (btw I am pro-life)... even if the fetus is a "thing" and not a "person," it still belongs to both the father and the mother. This thing, then should be one-half the property of the father - it doesn't matter where it is located, does that ever matter with property? If that is the case, what right does the mother have to destroy his property without consent and/or compensation??? This seems to violate the basic property laws of Anglo-Saxon law to me... Furthermore, doesn't the father have a de facto trademark or copyright on his sperm??? It is a unique code, fully owned by him? Our world would certainly mandate his consent should we use his DNA for purposes of cloning, stem cell research, etc. Doesn't he own his genetic code - and isn't, at the point of conception, the embryo composed of half his DNA??? So then, I leave you, my pro-choice colleagues, with an intriguing question - Is it then proper that a joint owner in a partnership (a de facto partnership formed by two consenting adults who know the risks when they have intercourse - heck if you can have an oral contract, why can't sex form a contract of sorts???) single-handedly decides to destroy the whole of said company? In court cases, the murder of a pregnant mother counts as double homicide... This is due to the fact that the mother (obviously) didn't consent to her baby being aborted by these means. Then why shouldn't the father's lack of consent in such a case make a mother's decision to abort comparable to single homicide? In both cases, the end result is the same (disregarding the will of a parent of an embryo, and terminating a pregnancy without consent from a parent...)
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

A father is as much of a parent to that baby as the mother. A decision on abortion should be made by both the father and the mother.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

YES he is part of the child too that woudn't be fair to him PERIOD.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: sacrificial offerings

firstly, i AM pregnant, and i am going through with a termination. however i came on this site to hopefully get some answers; i am in a very happy stable relationship and all that jazz. however because of complications with my womb, i only have a 15% chance of getting pregnant, that number is only going to decrease as time goes on. and about a month ago i found out i was pregnant. me and my boyfriend are both 19, he obviously does not want a child and has cried and begged with me not to have it even though he knows i may not get another chance. some may say that that is selfish. well it is, but at the same time its selfless, he is thinking about the unborn child, it would not be fair to give birth to a child when one of its parents did not want it. and if having that child would stop you from doing all you wanted to do in life you could end up resenting it. and thats not good for any body.on the flip side up until 2 weeks ago i didn't think the man should have the right to decide, because the mother is the one with sole responsibility she will be the one carrying it around giving birth breastfeeding and probably looking after the baby in general most of the time. threes nothing wrong with bringing a child up on your own and i feel that if you really really want a child and the father does not you need to evaluate your relationship. is it worth losing someone you love for an EMBRYO?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Yes, if a girlfriend/wife wanted to kill MY child, I would not allow it.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

yes, if a father does want a child then he has the right just as much as the mother would.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

i think the father has the right.if he knows he wont manage the rensponsibility its better that he should say it before the child is born.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: Yes if he can't opt out of parenthood

Not sure. But, men should definitely be permitted to opt out of fatherhood, so long as women can in the way of choosing abortion.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

The father should be allowed to decide if he wants the child. It is not such a terrible thing for the woman to have the baby and either give it to the father or adopt it out. Abortions are selfish and not necessary. They also cause long-term guilt.Neither should a man be able to force a woman to have an abortion. Either way, it is taking a human life.The main goal should be focused on prevention. It is the responsibility of both partners, and if they want to take the risk of unprotected sex, they will have to take the responsibility. The message hasn't sunk in I guess. If you don't want a baby, don't make one. Even if you "accidentally" get pregnant, adoption is a better choice over killing.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

Both parents will obviously (hopefully) be involved in the decision and the upbringing of the child, but when it boils down to it, the woman must bear the physical consequences/risks of bearing a child. And if the father decides to split, the woman is physically tied to her child. Not fair.Besides, if fathers had the right to refuse abortions, there'd just be women asking friends to push them downstairs or kick them in the stomach or getting dangerous drugs....
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

I am talking legality. If there was legal terms in which the father could not 'split' as you call it, then why should she be allowed to say no? Secondly, having your embryo removed and placed in a surrogate mother, is no more intrusive than an abortion. Finally, you still have not answered the other scenario. What if he does NOT want the child. Why should she have a way out but doesn't? She should have to waive his legal liability to keep the child he does not want in the case that she is refusing to have an abortion. Its called equal rights. Somewhere along the way, the pendulum turned to far in favor of a woman. Now we are a long ways away from equality.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

He can refuse it all he wants, if I dont want a baby, i'm not having a baby. If he wants a baby THAT badly, he can go adopt. But there is no way he is putting my body through 9 months of transformation, then 14 hours of pain, to bring a life into the world.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Then he should also have the absolute right to opt out of parenthood, seeing that it's your body and your child. There is no reason that he suddenly should have responsibility if his views mean nothing.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: Yes

So men have to just "deal with it" because some twit is worried about her social status? Are you girls worried you won't have time to text your friends while taking care of a child? 9 months is less than 1% of the life span of a healthy woman. Are you saying you can't spare less than 1% of your life to give life?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

can someone tell me how either of these are ok?I'm the father so i say that you aren't allowed to kill that thing that is living in your belly.I'm the father so I say that you need to go have a miscarriage which may involve an invasive procedure. And don't forget the definition of father here is that ONE cell from the "father's" body was used to create the babby.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

The major argument for abortion is that a woman may not be ready to take care of a child. Why should a man not have the same option?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

That is not "The Major Argument for Abortion." Do not assume that it is. Different people will have different most important arguments. My personal most important argument is that there is something living inside of the mother and it should be her choice as to whether or not is allowed to do so.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

My argument is that when BOTH parties are held liable after birth, why not before?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

As soon as you tell me why, if that thing belongs to her, he should suddenly have equal responsibility or any responsibility for that matter. Why should men's reproductive rights still be trampled on. Men should have the right to opt out of parenthood, just like women can.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

The father should have nothing to do with the woman's decision of whether or not to have an abortion, just like he should not have the right to force one.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

That still does not answer my question. If he does not want the child and she does, why should he have any legal burden when it is born? Why should she have a way out and not him?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Nor should he have any responsibility toward the fetus after birth if he doesn't want it. It's hers, as you aptly pointed out and he should be able to state up front that he wants nothing to do with it.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

No! most men today just want to love and leave you. Or if they stay with you cheat on you. They make conscious decisions to do things you disaprove of all day, how about having a woman make the decision in something wrong for once. Besides why didn't you guys talk about what your plans were before the pregnancy?
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

I think abortion is bad. I really do. But I think it should be up to the mother. After all, she IS the one carrying the baby. The father should not have the right to choose, but he could help the mother decide her choice.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

You can refuse all you want, but it's not "your" baby. People aren't property in the same way organs are. Or should your girlfriend be allowed to stop you from getting a vasectomy? =/
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

A woman having a baby with a man she should not, of course, has the right to abortion. Such a man may perhaps not cope well with the child and the woman wants it all. And then the woman giving birth also undergo further. Basically everything is done with the woman and the man almost nothing, because if the man would get a child's (which is not) then it should go through because the person who will give birth, the heaviest burden, so the woman should decide.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

It's the woman's body, it's the woman's choice. Who is a man to tell her what to do with HER body. Yes, he can give her his opinion but in the end it is her decision.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

The persona carrying the baby has the final say regarding the pregnancy.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

Because what he deposits is a gift. He has no say what the female wants to do with the gift he has given her.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

If I was in this situation, I would definitely take the father's opinion into account, but it would be my body, so ultimately the decision would be mine. If I truly felt abortion was the best option, he could refuse it all he wanted, and it would still happen. It's not an ideal situation, but the termination of a pregnancy usually isn't. To imagine a woman being denied an abortion just because her boyfriend/husband or whoever wanted to keep the baby strikes me as incredibly disturbing. It is essentially disregarding her wishes in favor of his and forcing her to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want, and that sounds like a nightmare to me.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Right. Because it is so much more preferable to kill a human embryo than to force a woman into a 9 month ordeal she could have prevented if she had just kept her legs closed ;)Here's what it boils down to. A woman can be promiscuous without any consequences, none, zero, zip, nada. And all at the expense of someone else, the fetus. Nice.This country is in such a mess because no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

So essentially, a baby is well-deserved punishment for a woman daring to have sex? That's lovely. I would to go into all the consequences 'promiscuous' women face, such as the example of slut-shaming you provided, but that is another argument. But not only promiscuous women get pregnant, surprisingly enough!By current scientific definition, an embryo is not someone, it is something. Of course it has the potential to be a human being, but it isn't yet, in the same way an acorn is not an oak tree and the eggs in your fridge are not chicken.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

Actually, my argument is that if there's an option available to save the fetus, it should be seriously considered. It seems like too many people have their mind set that their first option should be to terminate. I'd rather give life a chance.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

Pregnancy is no small matter, and all options should be given serious consideration. The next time you get pregnant, you are well within your rights to give life a chance. There is nothing wrong with believing that is the right thing to do. Problems arise when people cannot accept that others may reach a different decision about abortion, and try to force others to adhere to their beliefs, either through legislature or guilt, shame, and scare tactics.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: yes

There is one major problem that you are not taking into consideration. Whenever there are no consequences to your actions, whenever you are not accountable and held responsible, you open the door for abuse. If you tell women that men have a right to claim the baby and that they have to carry the baby to term if the father wants it, you'll start to see a decrease in unwanted pregnancies. And that is a good thing.
Debate: Should a father have a right to refuse an abortion?
Side: No

There are several major problems that you are not taking into consideration.Do you think abortion is an easy decision and a pleasant process? It is a very difficult choice for many women and even though it may be the best one, they suffer guilt and grief for years, maybe for the rest of their life. Trust me, lots of them make their own consequences. It can also be physically painful.Again, do you not see something wrong with inflicting a baby on someone as a punishment for 'screwing around'? A child should never, ever, ever be a 'consequence'. That is spiteful and retributive. Many women get pregnant either through a contraceptive failure, or a lapse in judgment; do either of those really merit lifelong consequences not only for them, but for the child? If history has shown us anything, it is that removing a woman's bodily autonomy results in more illegal abortions than anything else. Before abortion was legal in the United States, it is estimated back alley abortions were responsible for 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. These were not just the promiscuous women you seem to think are the only people who get abortions; they were mothers, wives, daughters and sisters. People who were already human beings, not just fetuses.Lastly, why does the father's decision trump the mother's? On the other side, if he wants her to get an abortion, should doctors listen to him instead and force one on her? If not, why? Do you not see how this opens up a multitude of sinister opportunities for men to control their wives or girlfriends? When is it ever okay for the government to remove a person's right to decide what goes in or out of their own body, especially based on what someone else wants? The only people this benefits are men who do not respect their wives/girlfriends bodily autonomy.Let's say you've had your way, and pretend abortion has never been legal. Studies estimate more than one million abortions in 2005, and as many as 50 million since Roe vs. Wade. If every one of these children would have been born, where would they be now? How many would be on welfare? How many would have been dumped into the overcrowded and inefficient foster system? Who takes care of these 'consequences' when the parents simply can't?