azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: Both sides are self-righteous assholes

He tried to fight abortion, the double homicide law was put in place when he was in office. The problem with the Roe vs Wade ruling is that in order for it to be overturned the Supreme Court must take action because of checks and balances. So people can protest to Congress and the President all they want, but unless the courts take action it won't matter.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

You are correct about the double homicide law; however the contradiction is inherent in the ruling itself. The double homicide law was only raised to illustrate this. In fact I would argue that the law (double homicide) came to be because of the contradiction. You might be correct about overturning the ruling. It might take another case challenging this ruling and it's constitutionality.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

You are correct about the double homicide law; however the contradiction is inherent in the ruling itself. The double homicide law was only raised to illustrate this. In fact I would argue that the law (double homicide) came to be because of the contradiction. You might be correct about overturning the ruling. It might take another case challenging this ruling and it's constitutionality.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

There is only one question when it comes to abortion, what is it?There are more questions than that.. sorryIf it is a human being then it requires a very high level of justification to take it's life.So you admit that there are some cases where it is justifiable. The next question then is who gets to decide? Should it be society at large via established government institutions or should it be a private matter left to the sovereignty of the family unit and those health care professionals they consult?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Let me clarify my position, since I misstated it. The first question that needs to be asked is " what kind of life is it?" If it is a human life then no reason for abortion is adequate. Therefore no further questions are needed.I find it rather disturbing that we want to have sex without commitments so badly that we are willing to kill the result of that sexual union.But isn't that just like human nature, everything is just fine until something conflicts with what we want and stands between us and what we desire. Then laws get broke, peace treaties ignored, property taken and people killed. But the most heinous crime is when we make laws to exonerate ourselves. When we call evil, good. We may be guiltless before the law but that doesn't mean we are not without real quilt. But praise be to God that He has provided a solution to the two greatest problems man faces, guilt and death. With God there is forgiveness, but not without great cost.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Since I disagree with you so often I will snip out some portions of what you typed that I do agree with:I find it rather disturbing that we want to have sex without commitments so badly that we are willing to kill the result of that sexual unionthe most heinous crime is when we make laws to exonerate ourselves. When we call evil, good.See I don't disagree with you completely.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

The first question that needs to be asked is " what kind of life is it?" If it is a human life then no reason for abortion is adequate. Therefore no further questions are needed.That is an example of what is called jumping to conclusions. You have not established that it abortion is never justified. Even if it is agreed (which I do agree with you) that it is a human life.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Ok let me clarify,But let me say I'm not sure why you are pushing this point, but my guess is that it has something to do with authority and you want to make a point about that.So let me modify what I said; the reasons commonly given for abortions are in adequate. In the case that the mothers life is endangered, it should be the case that the attending physician should make every attempt and exhaust every means possible to save the life of mother and child, Abortion should never be considered as an easy out, quick fix or money saving option, But if it comes down to it, I think every mother would lay down their lives for their children, it's the most humane thing to do and the most loving; to lay down your life on behalf of someone else. So even in this case I would still maintain that it should not be an option and I think it would be hard to give an adequate reason why the child's life should be taken and not the mothers. I think this maintains the sanctity of the child's life throughout and at this point the moral dilemma moves from the child into other areas. And the Husband and Wife should make the call, if circumstances necessitate it.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Ok, the problem with jstantall is his belief system is clouding all of his arguments.First of all, the fetus is only a potential life and is no comparison to the actual life that is the mother. Secondly, we don't even need an excuse to get rid of a fetus if we don't want it. It's not as if the world's population is dwindling, we actually don't need any more unwanted babies coming into this world! We've got enough of the babies that are actually wanted and we also have enough of those who aren't wanted and have become a burden on society because of their natural tendencies to commit crimes, so if you want to save actual lives and not potential lives, then make wars illegal, make climbing Mt. Everest illegal, make motor racing illegal.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

God made us the way we are then leave us to deal with it. Don't bring God into this. This is our decision.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

DO NOT SELF PROCLAIM YOURSELF TO KNOW WHAT IS OF GOD. BE NOT DECEIVED. EVIL COMPANY BREAKS GOOD HABITS! HOW DARE YOU THINK GOD WANTS THIS FOR US. HE SO DECLARED, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL". DO YOU NOT KNOW THE WICKED SHALT NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? FOR IDOLATERS, SEXUALLY IMMORAL, SELF LOVERS, MURDERS, LOVERS OF MONEY AND SUCH WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

HE SO DECLARED, "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"You literally support the death penalty you daft banana.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I'd like to take the time to address several tings that have been raised in this debate and clarify my argument against abortion.First, the affect this debate has on women who have had abortions. This reality has weighed heavily on my conscience. But I think a greater issue is at stake here and therefore the cost is worth it. The greater good that is being served here is the hope that abortion on demand might someday be ended and that the emotional trauma it causes to women will be ended also.The holocaust of abortion will not be ended until people see and know the reality of what it is. It has been stunning to see through the course of this debate the lengths people will go to so as to sugar coat this issue and make it appear not so bad; and actually justifiable. So my effort is to make that know as best I can. But the truth is that when women, who have had abortions, come to a correct understanding of what has happened there is real pain and real quilt; and that certainly is not to be dismissed. So for those who have had abortions I say there is a way out of the pain and quilt; true forgiveness is possible. There is only one way out and that is through the great exchange; God in Christ takes your life and He gives you His. When He died, you died and the charges against you are paid in full, the debt is canceled. Then the life of perfection He lived becomes yours; it is laid to your account. So you go from an infinity negative debt to an infinity positive righteousness. And through His resurrection you are raised to newness of life.This is only possible through repentance and faith. Confess your sins and trust God to do for you what he said He would in Christ. This faith is not a leap in the dark, like crossing your fingers. It is an active trust, like standing on solid ground; a confident expectation in the faithfulness of God.With that said I would like to clarify my argument against abortion further and answer the question should abortion be banned. But let me preface my argument with a disclaimer. I realize there is a difference between proof and persuasion. There is no argument that I can put forth that can't be disputed. There are actually people who will argue for the reality of square circles. So I put this argument forth for those who are truly open-minded; in hopes you will be persuaded.The taking of the life of an innocent human being without proper justification is murder and murder is illegal.Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification. therefore it is murder and should be illegal
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I should further say to disprove this argument you have to falsify it's key premise and that is: abortion takes the life of an innocent human being That' why this whole debate hinges on one key question: What is it? And genetically it is human. It has it's own unique and complete chromosome which makes it distinct from it's parents and wholly different from the egg and sperm used to create it. Since this syllogism is sound and it's premises are verifiable you will have to resort to irrationality and unscientific assertions to disprove it.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I will take the bait for fun.I assume (unless you refute it explicitly) you agree that there are somecases where abortion is merited or "medically necessary"Who is the proper authority for determining medical necessity?expected answer from you (according to the way I think you think):GovernmentAnswer I would give: The doctor and those consulted by the pregnant woman.Abortion is not banned. The murder of the unborn is illegal and punishable as murder. Abortion is not murder if you admit that it is ever done by medical necessity and without malicious intent.since this argument is flawless, all who disagree are just plain old sloppy thinkers ~sarcastic snicker
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

No, I disagree.There is no right time to have an abortion.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

OK agreed you have to establish intent. However, all abortions are premeditated, what say you? Your assumption of my answer would be false, see my other response for the answer.However to your point,you plain old sloppy thinker you, My qualification was: without proper justification and in this case it could be argued as proper justification.However, the point of my syllogism was to highlight the importance of the question: what kind of life is it your objection highlights the point more becuse there would be no moral dilemma if it was a chicken.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Until at least week 20 of its development, the fetus has not been proven to be able to survive outside of the mother's womb. Since society can't keep it alive, it's the mother's choice. Plain and simple.My point: Until the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb, it's like any other living organ inside of her and is only a POTENTIAL life, not ACTUAL life. Potential life is any stage from an independent sperm/egg to week 20 of fetal development.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly, jstantall. Jesus Christ, the Son of God was sent by our God, Heavenly Father to save us from sin. God gave us our sacred bodies. He gave us free will to choose. Ever since the fall of Adam & Eve, darkness has taken over humanity. Some would rather turn to the pleasures of the world rather than rejoice to what God has given us. Some simply want to see the world burn and do not want to be saved. Some want to murder for life because they find pleasure in it. Near the end, all knees shall bend to the coming of our Savior!! Baby lives indeed matter. You can use that one verse where Jesus says children are precious and are to be cherished because they are the most vulnerable. Pro abortionists arguing against pro lifers like us prove Jesus was right all along. God speed, friend. God speed.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

During the Holocaust, approximately 11 million people were killed between 1933 till 1945. These people include Jews, homosexuals, Slavics (Russians, Poles, and others), Gypsies, mentally and physically disabled, Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christians found helping the targeted people. That was fifty years ago and today Hitler and the Nazis are known as criminals and mass murderers. But why are the doctors who perform abortions not called criminals or mass murderers? From 1973 to 2005, over 46 million abortions have been performed. This is much higher death rate than from the Holocaust. For abortion the approximate death rate is 1.4 million babies each year. The approximate death rate for the Holocaust, however, is about 917 thousand people a year. The Nazis targeted the people they did because they believed they were inferior to themselves. Women who have abortions kill their babies because they believe that they are superior to these children. To this day, Germans have collective shame because of what the Nazis did, even though they did nothing to help. In fifty years will Americans have collective shame because so many abortions were performed? Will Americans be known as mass murderers and criminals?The subject of abortion and the Holocaust are very closely related subjects. The Jews were killed because they were unwanted and inconvenient. A child is aborted because they are unwanted and inconvenient. I want you to tell me the Holocaust was wrong and then tell me abortion is okay. You just can't do that. One can't be wrong and the other right. That is like saying rape is wrong but incest is okay.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Abortion before the fetus can actually survive outside of the mother's womb is not the same as killing Jews or mentally or physically sick people. The fetus before it can survive outside the womb is only a POTENTIAL life, which fall into the same category as an independent egg or sperm and anything else in between.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Having an abortion is just as "unethical" as swatting a fly, if not less. The fetus cannot survive on it's own, it is not a human yet. The fly can survive on it's own. Thus, I find it more "unethical" to kill a fly than have an abortion.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Religion can't be your argument, since it hinges on what people believe and some believe in choice.When you say "women", you generalize and include all females, but some women, again, prefer a choice.I've said it plenty of times and I'll say it again, a fetus before it can survive outside of the mother's womb is a POTENTIAL life, which is the same as an independent egg or sperm and anything else in between.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

"Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification. therefore it is murder and should be illegal."And what exactly is your idea of proper justification? I meen because that varies with people, and one persons idea of it is more than likely diff from your own. And incase you havnt noticed yet many people do not believe in your faith or your God, and many people dont believe in any God at all. Your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs and though many people dont agree with them, your still entitled to have them.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Quoting god is not how you're going to win arguments. I actually respect what you believe, but I ask that you also respect what I believe. I believe that women should have the choice.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Quoting God is absolute and relevant to every conversation that includes right and wrong in it. Your argument is invalidated. If it were so that quoting our loving Heavenly Father, Creator and God is so irrelevant and how I am "not going to win arguments" then I can say the same about you, quoting yourself not being able to win arguments because the Truth IS we were created by God in His image. That's how you are invalidated and you have lost this argument. I have won. Cry me a river, NVYN, you will be destroyed by the truth & only the truth! You are a fool to reject God and His absolute moral laws that have been set in stone ever since the beginning of time itself!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

come to think of it...Many childern have been killed due to abortion.But if you had given them a chance to live, then they would have proved worthwhile to live!Just think how many masterminds have been killed before birth?If they had lived, may be they would have made their world a peaceful heaven!!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Many of the aborted fetus may have also grown up to be rapists, serial murders, terrorists, armed robbers... but since they were only potentials and not actual... then there's nothing more to add.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Nothing more to add?Your sorry excuse is to prejudice and assume that every newborn is going to become a rapist, serial killer, terrorist and armed robber? Oh ye with little faith. It is clear that you, yourself, could be a threat to the innocent people who never even grew up to be good through God and Christ. Morality is obviously neglected from yourself. Consider your argument non sensible because you clearly just want to find an excuse to justify the deaths of innocent babies.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

100% i think its wrong! I am not religious, but who has the right to take a life? Isn't that the very reason Murderer's are punished?If a person really can't have a child because they aren't ready, or any other reason, then surly it is fairer to still give that life a chance and put the baby up for adoption to a family who is desperate for a baby and can't have one for themselves?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

If you take a life you should be punished. But before the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb, it's not yet a life, it's only a POTENTIAL life, like an egg or sperm, that's all.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

At what point do you consider it a life then? At 22 weeks when it has just under a 10% chance? 24 weeks with 40-70%? Is it only living when it reaches 21 weeks and 5 days (the earliest a baby's survived)? There must be a specific time/day during the pregnancy when you can say the fetus/baby is alive. Otherwise there's no safe time to point at - so you couldn't have an abortion.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

At what point do you consider it a life then?Hello e:It's a life at the point of conception.. All this rigamarole about WHEN a fetus becomes ALIVE is subterfuge for simply wanting to rid oneself of an inopportune event, and NOT feel guilty about it..excon
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

My point is that, and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, if you don't think life begins at conception, how are you to know when life begins?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

And here we have, snowflake ex con who has lost all arguments without providing any supporting evidence. Your arguments are invalidated 100%. The fetus is living whether you like it or not. What you say, ex-con, doesn't change biological facts that a fetus is a living human being in development. Batman ALWAYS WINS AND SO DOES GOD ALMIGHTY!Knocks out ex-con and puts him in Black Gate Penitentiary for the homicide of several infant babies and their mothers
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Great! another bible basher!Quoting chunks from the bible isn't going to win you any debates. Wars have been waged on bible material for too long! It's time people stop bashing bibles!Now the difference between a fetus and a person has been over-explained here but you pro-lifers hold on to your belief that it's the two are the same. It's fine if you believe that, but don't go around forcing that belief on others. I'm sure the bible has a passage somewhere about how you should respect your neighbours.Women suffer as a result of abortions? Don't generalize because I personally know women who don't.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I am using my faith as a source of my belief on abortion. Give me a verse in the Bible that says abortion is okay. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. And please capitalize the 'b' in 'Bible'.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Does the Bible say that it's ok to wage war against people of another religion? You people are the reason why there are wars. You just can't help forcing your belief on others and then quotemine the Bible to justify your actions. It's called Bible bashing. And noone likes it.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Okay. Fair enough. Just prove to me the Bible is factually accurate (to the word please). Don't cite a biased source, and especially not the Bible. It also says to stone people but that "thou shalt not kill." And unless you've never had any pork, beef, and ripped out the New Testament which disputes much of the Old, then you can't cite a source that you do not follow entirely and contradicts itself.Don't get me wrong, I love God and Jesus, the whole nine yards. I don't think its factual, and I don't think its appropriate to cite when we are talking cold hard facts.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Okay. Fair enough. Just prove to me the Bible is factually accurate (to the word please). Don't cite a biased source, and especially not the Bible. It also says to stone people but that "thou shalt not kill." And unless you've never had any pork, beef, and ripped out the New Testament which disputes much of the Old, then you can't cite a source that you do not follow entirely and contradicts itself.Don't get me wrong, I love God and Jesus, the whole nine yards. I don't think its factual, and I don't think its appropriate to cite when we are talking cold hard facts.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

We already have. It's all around us. Right vs Wrong. Good vs Evil. Revelations is all coming true plus archeology proves biblical locations to be true proving the stories to be true events in history.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly helloism. Exactly. I am in full agreement with you here. Archeology and science overall has proven that there are biblical locations where the stories have occurred. Atheists and non believers are ignorant on this. Near death experiences is another one. People have claimed they think there is no God nor Jesus yet when they experience NDR, their perspective changes and his/her faith grows back again.