azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

That's what YOU believe, but others say it's fine to abort 30, 40, 50 weeks into pregnancy. Where do you stop? In Greece, it used to be okay to murder children three days AFTER birth! Where's the line? Society has not created one and they are slipping further into a murderous society. Also, the question is IF the baby did have mental capacity, would it care for its survival. Yes, they would. We can't ignore their inherent opinions just because they can't formulate them.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Children's rights and the rights of others who are incapable of arguing their rights for themselves - are argued by proxy. It is not an indication that a person doesn't have any rights... just because they can't speak for or defend their rights for themselves.The poster that you were responding too was talking about having 'empathy' for the child in that situation.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

But really, this isn't about the feelings or non feelings of a fetus. If it hadn't been killed before it lived, what could it have lied to be, to do? Maybe it would've been bad, or good. But then killing it just because I can't feel yet...I think every person on earth has enjoyed some part of their life, but now we're saying that only those who are wanted by their mother can live. When did humans start to get to pick favorites? It's disgusting! All this whining about suicide when we're committing murder under the weak protest of them not being people!Before abortion, people still had the problem of not wanting their babies. But without anything to do about it, they dealt with it. What if it was your ancestor who'd been killed before being born? It could have been. Humans are getting so arrogant and blind. At this rate we could end up doing as much as killing living people just because of defects or whatnot. Am I the only one who's read The Giver?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I believe it shouldn't be the mother's choice to kill the baby, It was the mother's choice when she chose to open her legs and conceive the child in the first place.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Hmmm if you were a baby and were going to be born and you were aborted, you probably would care.We wouldn't care. We couldn't.As a fetus the natural drive humans have for survival really isn't there. The mental capacity just wouldn't exist to care.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

If it's about whether the fetus cares, then why don't we encourage suicide?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I...if a cluster of unfeeling cells COULD feel, maybe you would have a point. A baby at that stage is literally just an amalgamation of cells and chemicals, so really they wouldn't care if they got aborted.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

lol, yes I probably would care if I could care. I think your missing the point. Nobody wants to abort a baby for the sake of doing it. These are personal choices which are not easy. its a personal choice, thats the beauty of freedom, I can make my OWN decisions about my OWN body.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Your choice your body. The baby: not my choice, my body circular reasoning much?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly! And that gives YOU the right to kill someone whose it your mistake is alive. So you can kill someone for your stupidity. Not only that. Caus its your body! "Im sorry baby, but its my body, so im gonna kill your for my mistake, stupidity, and save me the pain. So what? Not like its life actually matters.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly RogueCaptain. Exactly. Pro abortionists fail to take responsibility for their actions. Not only is a woman responsible if she gets herself pregnant, the man who is with her in a relationship is also responsible.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Right! Until it's no longer leeching off of your food, water, and oxygen, then it's still a part of your body.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

"The beauty of freedom". The beauty of destroying lives before they were tasted. I hope I'm not the only one who can't see the "beauty" in this.And just because you've made a hard choice, doesn't mean it was the right one.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

And yet you are on the side that says "It should not be banned". You're a hypocrite of your own disgusting words. Have fun in Black Gate Penitentiary. I heard they don't give paroles to baby serial killers.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

"I have simply seen no argument that comes close to proper justification for the taking the life of a innocent human being."So a thirteen year old girl gets raped, and you're saying that the govenrment have the right to force that girl to keep her unwanted baby? I would imagine the girl would never really bond with her baby, and the child would have to grow up knowing of its conception and live with the knowledge that it was not wanted. Surely that is justification enough? That is not a life anyone would want, and surely aborting that baby in its early stages of development would be the better thing to do.Also, think of the number of children that would end up in care if abortion was banned. There are enough of them already, the banning of abortion would most definately increase this number, and the more children in care, the lower the quality would become. Where would they get the money to look after so many children? Our taxes? It would get rediculous, and there would be a lot of children out there wishing they had never been born.I do realise that there are problems with abortion, for example, the amount of people who have unsafe sex because they know they can either take the morning after pill or have an abortion is rediculous. But, I'd like to know that if the contraception i was using didn't work and I fell pregnant through no fault of my own, I would be very happy that I have the option to have an abortion. Also, when do you begin to class a fetus as a human? I personally would not think of it as a human untill about 12 weeks. It doesnt even enter the fetal stage untill the 11th week, surely abortion before this stage is not inhumane? If there was a contraception out there that was 100% effective, then this would be a more valid arguement. I'm young, and have dreams and aspirations that I could never fulfill if I became pregnant. If contraception can't garrentee that i won't get pregnant, I definately want the choice to have an abortion if i needed one. You're view seems to be very black and white, and you seem to dismiss the huge grey area that exists. Abortion exists for a reason and should not be banned
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

To your first point:What you are arguing for is the view known in German as; Lebensunwertes Leben or The Life Unworthy of Life. This was the philosophy that drove the Holocaust of Nazi Germany and the one currently underway here in America. To learn more about this follow this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life Why do I say this? Because you take a class of humans and then give reasons ( very poor ones) of why they should not be allowed to live.In Nazi Germany they said; This human should not live because of X. And you say that this human should not live because of X. There is a direct correlation here and I hope you see it. When you get a chance also pick up the book  From Darwin to Hitler by Dr. Richard WeikartNow to your question of when do you begin to class a fetus as a human?At the moment of conception. Because at that point you now have a complete and distinct human DNA in the cell. There is no way around this; humans produce humans and dogs produce dogs. About a contraception that is 100% effective every time. It's known as abstinence. Practice it faithfully and you will never get pregnant or an STD. Fail to practice it and pay the price with your life and possibly that of your child's. And if you do have an unwanted pregnancy, Please consider adoption. Did you know that 1 out of every 6 couples are infertile. Do the math, that's a lot of couples who want to have children and can't. And I'm one of them. It cost me 14,000 dollars to have my daughter and it tears me up inside to know that some parents just discard their children like trash. There are thousands of us out here who are screaming; please don't kill it, we'll take it. You'd also be surprised to know the high number of Americans who adopt from over seas; and why do they? There aren't enough children to be adopted here because of abortion.You noted well that I see this issue as black and white. It's called moral clarity. When looking at evil I call it as it is; evil. Final thought: Were you ever a fetus? Because if you were, Then you have to acknowledge that if your mother would have had an abortion it would have ended your life, not something else, but your life. Think about that and look at it real hard because that's what abortion does; it ends the life of a human being in the early stages of development.And if you were born after 1972, I challenge you to consider yourself a Survivor of the Abortion Holocaust. 1/3 of your generation has been killed by abortion in America! http://www.survivors.la/
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

It's not "life unworthy of life", it's actually "POTENTIAL life!"Until the fetus can actually survive outside of the womb, it's a living organ like any other organ inside the woman's body. Once it reaches the stage of about 20 weeks when it should stand a slight chance of survival and maturing into a person, then it should be made illegal. But before that time, it only has the POTENTIAL, nothing more. A potential is just that.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

it's a living organ like any other organ inside the woman's body.Then why does it have it's own unique DNA? And what's the point of the fetal sack? Why all the complex systems to isolate the fetus from the mothers body? No serious doctor holds this position; the data doesn't remotely support it.Once it reaches the stageI did have it right when I said your view decides when a life is worthy of life and when a life is unworthy of life. You just said it right there. And here is a list of all the words you use in making this distinction; Until, Once, then, before.And about this notion of "potential life!" by all the standard definitions of life, it's alive and has been throughout, potentiality is a farce.And finally were do you get this arbitrary standard of survival and person hood? You see I don't discriminate; If it's human, and it is, then it deserves our full protection. The most dangerous place in America shouldn't be the womb.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Having its own DNA and all the systems that isolate it from the mother's body does not change the fact that it's completely a part of the mother. It will not amount to anything if it's detached from her..I did have it right when I said your view decides when a life is worthy of life and when a life is unworthy of life.You can think what you like, but at 20 weeks' gestation a fetus is still a person. The fact that society may be able to save it without its mother does not automatically make it a person. It's still so very far from actually entering personhood..And about this notion of "potential life!" by all the standard definitions of life, it's alive and has been throughout, potentiality is a farceI don't know where you get your definition, but until it has a fully functional, self-sustaining biological system and is not attached to another life via the umbilical cord, I'm going to regard it as potential..And finally were do you get this arbitrary standard of survival and person hoodIt's not arbitrary, it's fact. Me and a lot of other people hold this view. We make the laws to help us with our lives. At the moment, we don't actually need to ban abortion cos doing that doesn't actually help, and your argument that abortion equals murder is complete crap.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

It will not amount to anything if it's detached from her.That's called discrimination based on level of dependency. It would seem to be the more compassionate thing to protect humans who are more dependent on others for their existence. You protect the weak, not exploit or kill them.It's still so very far from actually entering personhood.I'm talking about human life, not personhood. Equivocating on terms is an attempt to ignore the obvious; were talking about human life.I don't know where you get your definitionOh I don't know, I just went to dictionary.com and got this definition and it doesn't discriminate on the basis of level of dependency like you do. What you call "potential" it calls life. In fact it makes no such distinction. Something is either alive or not. Also, I couldn't find a definition for potential life, only an article referring to it as a "a clever rhetorical trick" And since the parents of this life are human It's safe to say it's human. That ought to be obvious to any casual observer. Here is the standard definition of life;the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally. we don't actually need to ban abortion cos doing that doesn't actually helpBanning abortion wouldn't stop the killing of over 1500 humans a day? I hope your kidding because of course it would. That's why we ban things, to stop them. And yes, that would most certainly help all those innocent humans.your argument that abortion equals murder is complete crap.Well, let's see. Something that was, by the standard definition of life, alive is now not alive, by the standard definition of life. So if something was alive we refer to it as dead. And that death came by willful intent, not an accident. In a court of law that's referred to as premeditated homicide. But since you can discriminate on the basis of level of dependency or level of development I guess that makes it OK, right ? I don't think so. Call it what you will but a duck by any other name is still a duck.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

That's called discrimination based on level of dependencyNo, it's called discrimination based on level of development. Before it reaches a certain stage in development, it'd still only be a potential and it shouldn't have any rights whatsoever..Equivocating on terms is an attempt to ignore the obviousI'm not ignoring anything. I'm trying to clarify things for, apparently, a stubborn fool. A human potential life before a certain stage in its development shouldn't be afforded any rights whatsoever..What you call "potential" it calls life. In fact it makes no such distinction. Something is either alive or not.You're still dishing out BS and completely ignoring my points. Look up "potential" separately, then marry the 2 definitions together and then you should read this: I agree that it's life, I'm only making a distinction that it's potential. This is the case because even though it may have all the internal systems of a human life, they're in no condition to function until a certain stage is reached in its development. That's why it's a potential life. If you're incapable of putting the meanings of 2 separate words together, we should stop any further discussions..Banning abortion wouldn't stop the killing of over 1500 humans a day?Don't quotemine my arguments for your benefit. I said we make laws to help us with our lives. Tell me how banning abortion helps with our lives. Don't deviate. You think the planet is overpopulated now? You think the Earth's resources are being stretched now? Just mandate the saving of every single pregnancies and you'll see how our lives will be affected then....Call it what you will but a duck by any other name is still a duck.Yes a duck is a duck, unless it's only a potential duck! ;)
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Abstinence or any other form of contraception is preventing potential life. You're fighting your natural urge to enable conception of a life. But abstinence isn't illegal.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

People often try to personalize their pro-life argument by saying "imagine if YOUR mother had aborted YOU! YOU wouldn't be here!" Well, to that I say I wouldn't have cared, I wouldn't have had the capacity to care! But people believe in reincarnation might say that I'd be somebody else! Another person! Probably still to the same mother! Who knows.... But if at the time, she really didn't want to have me, then I say it's her choice.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Exactly.You wouldn't have cared, because you couldn't have cared.You would have never have had the chance to voice your opinion; to have your say as you do today.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Correct SMCdeBater. Pro Abortionists only care about their own lives without realizing that if their parents had not brought them into this life, they wouldn't even be able to have a voice to be pro abortionist in the first place.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

So you agree with everything I just said, why then did you not click on the "support" link instead of the "Dispute" link?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Putting up your unwanted child for adoption as a choice but should not be made compulsory. I actually think it's better for Americans to adopt those unfortunate children from the third world. It will give them a better chance at life in a better society.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Oh joy, the don't have sex argument ad absurdem. Sex is healthy in a commited relationship if it is consenting and women have the right to use contraception to avoid pregnancy.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

So if a 13 year old is raped, you think she should be forced to have this child and face the emotional toll it will have on her, I don't think you realize that teenagers are mean they will point and stare and make the girl feelterribleabout something she has no control over,the 13 year old did not ask to be raped or to get pregnant she did not want it to happen to her let alone the fact that a 13 year old does not have the body to carry a child full term without severe stress inflicted upon her. As a man I really think you have no right to judge wethar a woman should be allowedto have an abortion or not. Also what about severly disabeled children,fetuses that will be born with nolimbs or terrible deformities and pain that will leadtoa terrible and short life you think these children should be born to live a painful life?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Your arguments are weak, strawman, subjective and toxic. You were once a fetus and if your life did not matter, you wouldn't be here dehumanizing other developing human beings. This is how self destructive you are. You come into this world thanks to your mother & father. But what then? You take advantage and prevent the lives of new babies to be born? What makes you better than new born babies?You've lost.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

The baby did not ask that man to rape you the baby is innocent and has nothing to do with the bastard that did that to the person..I have a friend who was raped and kept her baby and loves that baby to death. How heartless can you be to hold what their biological father did against them? How would you feel if your mother had you young the guy left her and she blamed her miserable life on you. Another thing it doesn't matter if it's one day old it's still life because if you were ten weeks pregnant and had a miscarriage you wouldn't say o well it wasn't even a baby yet you would still cry because your baby died
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

People have the right to choose .
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

If anything, the son or daughter who finds out about this horrifying truth about how his or her mother was raped would stand up to his or her father and tell him that he can't be forgiven for what he has done. The son or daughter would be angry enough to say, "Did you think about her and how she would feel?" etc etc. It obviously doesn't fall onto the child; son or daughter wise. If it was the man's fault or sometimes, the woman's fault for raping the man; yes women can be rapists too; though it's rare. But none of this justifies an abortion. NONE!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

...you would still cry in a miscarriage because you actually WANTED a baby, not for the loss of life.And the fetus can't feel. It hasn't formed enough to do that.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

If a woman was raped by a random man on the street and got pregnant, she should have the right to terminate the fetus as not only is it from someone she probably never wants to see again, but that she shouldn't have to automatically give up her current status to have a baby. What if the woman was a girl in University with a part-time job, should she have to give up her schooling and her job for someone's baby that she didn't even ask for? No, she shouldn't.Another thing it doesn't matter if it's one day old it's still life because if you were ten weeks pregnant and had a miscarriage you wouldn't say o well it wasn't even a baby yet you would still cry because your baby diedSo, because you think that your simple-minded and arrogant choices matter more than a woman's own choices, you think that the woman has no right to do what she wants with the baby? If the baby could have seriously harmed you, it wouldn't matter. If you could have died in child-birth, it wouldn't matter. If you were raped by a stranger and got pregnant, it wouldn't matter. The baby should not have the right over the woman who's developing it. It comes down to the mother or the father's choice in the end, not yours. You have no right to tell people what they should or should not do just because of your opinion.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

its murder so its just wrong that's why all women regret it later on in life and the doctor may say that giving birth to this child would be life threatening but doctors aren't always right they can only know so much. If I was in college and working a part time job and i got pregnant that is my fault and I have to deal with my consequences..I have no right to punish that babyThats whats wrong with people they don't take responsibility for their actions.