azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Yup. My arguments were somewhat silly, but so were yours. That's the point. We can't make broad stroke decisions one way or the other on "possible" outcomes in the far off future. You could use this argument to pull at peoples heart strings but that's about it.To me "ending life" in and of itself is not bad. We kill plants and animals all the time, some times in the name of "being humane" (put it out of it's misery). So what makes killing people bad? People have a sense of self, sense of being alive, know what death is, what it means to be human, have dreams and aspirations, other people depending on them, etc. An early stage fetus has none of these properties as far as science can tell. In fact, as far as science can tell an early stage fetus is just a "bunch of tissue". People of faith don't believe this. Fair enough. By definition science and I won't be able to convince then otherwise.So, science thinks an early stage fetus is just a "bunch of tissue" with none of the feelings/thoughts I outlined above. If you believe this, it's very hard to say a 16 year old girl must go though a pregnancy she does not want for the sake of a "bunch of tissue". What if the fetus develops in to a "person" in the womb, but then dies a painful death due to some complication in child birth? This is just an extreme example, but it clearly shows there are cases where aborting a "bunch of tissue" is better than some of the possible outcomes. And, since there is no downside to aborting a "bunch of tissue" clearly that is the right thing to do if the mother wants to.But what if science is wrong? It could be, but I have a very high degree of confidence its not. If it's ever proven wrong, I would change my view.So, the debate is: is a early stage fetus a "bunch of tissue" or a person. Science (as best I can tell) thinks it's a bunch of tissue. The faithful do not.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I'd like to know what arguments of mine you think are "silly" so I could have a chance to defend them. I also support abortions in the case of rape and in the situation that an unborn child will cause death to the mother due to complications but that's only because those things are out of a woman's control. Being responsible and understanding the risks of having sex is not out of control for anybody thus it's not justified to stop life because someone was irresponsible and they don't want to deal with the consequences. Abortion is so contradicting in the cases of irresponsibility because essentially the reason for abortion is to avoid responsibility. Responsibility can be avoided by adoption and nobody dies! With that being said it's irrelevant if the fetus has a sense of awareness. I can make a like argument by saying it's okay to kill a toddler for convenience because hell, by the time they're fully developed they'll have no conscious memory or awareness of that earlier stage of their life; yet that's murder! Is there a difference between killing a tadpole and a frog? Not that I'm trying to select that as a crime but still, nobody I would think would view the act any different than the other! A fetus by the way I believe does have consciousness. It has consciousness relevant and necessary to survive at that stage... It's not just on auto-pilot. Just because a fetus can't hold a job or drive a car doesn't mean it's not aware of it's life!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Your comment about "what makes a 1 week old fetus precious" I found to be an interesting remark. Considering a fetus is a living thing. Any living matter I would call precious. Especially when this fetus is going to grow into a human such as you and I. I would find that precious.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

MrPrime, why the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob, of course. Every child developing in the womb is an unmitigated blessing from Him!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

How do you know it's a blessing from "him"? It could just be the result of copulation and nothing else?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

At one week old it is an embryo, not a fetus. :(
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

so it is then also unjustifiable for the government to tell you not to murder a person?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

The government says it's o k to kill the babies, why then using that logic is it wrong to kill other people? See they're either both right or both are wrong, you can't pick and choose with one is murder and which one is not.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Abortion is not the unlawful killing of another person when it is a fetus and legal read up of definition of murder before spewing nonsense.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

You are killing the potential for a living being, who would have created many more living beings,so you would essentially be killing millions of future people, it doesn't matter if they can camprehend it or not, that does not determine right or wrong.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

they have nerves and pain sensories explaing why they move accross the womb in discomfort so during the abortion they wuld feel it and know something was wrong because of theyre honest existence :) js
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Women have every right with what they do with their body and I agree, however when it comes to something as significant as abortion it’s not as straightforward as that. I don’t think a fetus would be fine with being aborted, and not to mention I don’t think the mother of said fetus would be fine with it either, well unless she’s a terrible human being. Abortion in general is terrible, killing a fetus before letting it grown into the world and so on… why??? I hear story’s about my mom when she was pregnant with me and my sister she was a single mother and basically had to go through the pregnancy alone. When her family members learned she was pregnant and having twins everyone advised her to have and abortion, like imagine being a single mother and learning you gonna have twins and everyone telling you to just get and abortion, my mom like the strong woman she is didn’t listen to anyone’s so-called advice and went through the whole thing and I’m glad she did because otherwise I wouldn’t be writing this here today. There comes a sense of responsibility when it comes to motherhood and I guess the people that have an abortion lack that responsibility. I actually have a cousin that has gotten an abortion so many times that apparently now she’s infertile. At least think twice about abortion. Because for all I know abortion is definitely bad.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I doubt that you wouldn’t have cared if you were aborted bc everyone wants a chance at life even a 1 week old embryo.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

If a woman wants an abortion is really up to her, true...but why did she allow herself to get pregnant in the first place and these so called loving unwedge mothers, have abortions or someone that is seeing a married man, will have an abortion and just so the wife of his, does not find out. Yea, let's destroy a fetus, a live human being why don't we now! Let's make an infant suffer and simply abort it and toss the baby in a near by trash can outside the wonderful hospitals, where doctor's operate on people and save lives daily.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Being the fence on this issue for some time, I have decided that as long as a woman has the right of ownership to her own body including the fetus inside her until birth, she has the choice as to do whatever she wishes to do with her own body.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

But the fetus isn't her body... And people don't have the right to harm there own body without consequences... So how is it right for a woman to destroy a fetus and there be no consequences? By the way it's illegal for a woman to self induce an abortion but ultimately whats the difference between that and an abortion performed by a doctor! That is how contradicting the subject is.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

If the fetus is in her body she owns it just like my heart is in my body, I own my heart.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

you're wrong... You're claim is purely based on opinion and a very ugly one it is because it insinuates that women have the power of god which they don't because they don't create life out of thin air... they need the sperm of a man too... And as long as it equally takes one or the other to create life a woman does not have the sole power to decide if it lives or not. No woman has a right to end another life to avoid responsibility... They should be shot if they do!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

They should be shot if they do!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Yeah because it's so justified to end one's life while the offender gets to continue with there's... You're crazy, no you're nuts!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. There's no way this can be an actual argument... I'm sorry, do you know how utterly idiotic you "argument" is? You are saying that because a woman participates in an abortion (the reason you completely disregard), they should also be killed. Do you not understand that this sounds... completely and utterly retarted. The organism (whether a zygote or fetus) hasn't even reached personhood, so it HAS NO rights.That comparison is like saying if I kill a bee (which has no understanding on modern conventions or other knowledge), I should be killed.You are a fucking lunatic.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Oh I am? when you're the one comparing an insect to the life of a human being. An insect no matter at what stage of it's development doesn't remotely have close the potential ability to do the things human beings can do... By the way bees don't kill there own at the development stage of hatching! You know you are a fucking lunatic for rationalizing the killing of a fetus is okay because it has no awareness! Do you remember anything from the age of 1 day to 3 or 4 yrs old? No you don't. So it makes no difference then according to your rationalization if you kill a child either at the fetus stage or up to 3yrs old. Any stage is required to become anything through any point of the human life, you can't simply achieve one stage without the previous so don't sit there, hiding behind your computer screen and insult me when you clearly don't have the presence of mind of how life works!! You simply don't belong on my level of intelligence, remove yourself from the adults sir! By the way I did state the reason that I find unacceptable for a woman to have an abortion and that was to avoid responsibility. Learn to read, comprehend and retain before you open your mouth JACKASS!!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Let get this straight, only my argument is based on opinion whereas your argument is objective. Get a clue.Nobody is claiming that they have the power of God nor creating life out of thin air. Classic straw man.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I didn't say anyone claimed, I'm pointing out though the similarities of what people, specifically women in their believe they have the right to an abortion, and what a god has power to do!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

You are so...i can't even...your just an ignorant idiot. No woman has a right to end another life to avoid responsibility... They should be shot if they do!never in my life have i read something so...I almost want to cry...because it is disappointing that you think thats all an abortion is about... If a woman was raped...she doesn't want to be reminded of it every day... and some men actuly decide that they don't want their wife to give birth to a child that was concieved out of rape. it's not always that she doesm't want the responsiblity but you wouldnt know because your a man...leave it to the women to decide because men get plesure out of creating a child...thats it. woman get pleusre for that short peiriod of time and then the next 9 months of her life are hell. so shut up about shit you dont know
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I support rape abortion... You just bashed me for no reason!
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

It physically needing the mother to live doesn't mean its not a unique organism. You saying the mother owns it is essentially saying it is the mother's slave. Also, a newborn baby or even a six-month-old one requires its mother's presence to live just like a baby inside of a mother does. Just because it is dependent on someone else doesn't mean it is not its own being. If it is okay to kill a "fetus" because it is dependent on her mother than with that same logic it should be okay to kill a birthed child since it is still dependent on its mother
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

"even a six-month-old one requires its mother's presence to live"Dependence is not PrayerFails' argument - inside vs outside the mother is.As for it being a unique organism, see my debate here or post here.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

The physical location of the baby should still not determine if you get to kill the baby. Comparing it to your heart doesn't work either considering your heart is an organ that you need to survive while the baby is a completely independent organism that needs you to survive.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Physical location isn't my argument, it is PrayerFails', but, since PrayerFails hasn't logged on in 4 years, I wouldn't expect a response anytime soon. Though, I would point out that you can remove lots of body parts and independent organisms that die without you. You can remove your kidney, gall bladder, appendix, uterus, a lung, etc., parts of your liver, stomach, colon, etc., arms, legs, ears, etc. You can kill bacteria, viruses, tape-worms, etc. etc. etc. that are relying on you to live.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Yeah true. But I will say none of those organs have any potential to become anything more or grow into a fully-fledged thought-capable human being. A human baby on the other hand can.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

as to human being, here is my abortion argument:In addition to the reasons that abortion itself can be justified:Self-defense - All pregnancies pose a risk to the mother.Mercy - a fetus that is in pain and will not live.Selective reductions - from triplets to twins, or twins to a single, etc. - to improve the overall chances for those remaining.-------------------------There are additional arguments against making abortion illegal:-------------------------Ineffectiveness:"Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates." (ref)Laws making it harder to get abortions are making them happen later in the gestation, and are more dangerous/costly, etc.Complexity:The actual complexity of writing a law that applies for the range of possible circumstances:Should selective reductions to improve the health of multiples be legal?Should it be legal to protect the life of the mother? (how certain does the doctor have to be that death is likely?)Should it be legal to protect the health of the mother? (how do you define "health" - severe organ damage? mental health?)If a 10 year old is raped by an uncle and becomes pregnant - which is better: having the child or an abortion? Who gets to make the decision?Should embryonic stem-cells be used for research or in curing diseases?What about extra fertilized eggs created for in-vitro fertilization?Would several forms of birth control pills, IUDs, etc. become illegal?What penalties should be imposed on the woman, the doctor, other people who knew?Enforcement:Is it reckless endangerment for child-capable women to consume coffee/soda/tea, sushi/oysters/clams/mussels/crab, several types of fish, homemade ice cream, mayonnaise, lox, steak tartar, pâté, unpasteurized milk, soft cheese, deli meat, etc. etc.? If she has consumed any of these and has a miscarriage, is she guilty of negligent homicide?Should all miscarriages be investigated as potential abortions/murders?The cost of investigating all the new potential crimes and jailing of all the new criminals, etc.Scarcity:Are there lots of 9 month pregnant women getting abortions to fit into a dress for a party?Alternatives:Focusing on education about the responsibilities of sex, using protection, etc. reduces abortions.An IUD program in Colorado was very successful at reducing both teen pregnancy and abortion rates (ref)
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Except the fetus has a heart and a mind of it own and saying that it’s yours like it’s your property is very ugly your basically killing a potential human being that after eighteen years isn’t yours so no?And also why is everyone forgetting the moral responsibility that comes with an abortion like it no big deal to kill your own baby. I just don’t get it?
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

I broke the dead tie! Yaaay! naw but really its all religion based for the pro life argument and therefore should not be taken seriously. Roe V Wade will stand as law.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Its based on whats wrong and right, murder my friend lands in the catorgory of wrong. There are plenty of others, none religious who feel the same.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

AS, you need to educate yourself about the truth of the Roe v Wade story, and how diabolical it is.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

True as it may be, the interworkings of the case are irrelevant. The supreme court made a ruling, and regardless of how the case was conducted the law is now the law and it will stand.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

from wikipedia not the best source but whatever: a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancyThats the right decision! Obviously when the fetus becomes an actual baby and it's like 3 weeks b4 the due date the mother shouldnt be able to kill it off then...but in the beging before it is a baby when it is just a fetus HELL YEAH if i don't want it i give it back to its prevous owner Da LAWD hahaha naw but really
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Right now there are people trying to decide when life begins. Abortion is destroying life - therefore it has to be murder. As long as the baby remains in the uterus it will be nourished. It will grow and be delivered at term. If you disrupt that in any way, knowingly and intentionally, you are killing a life. Abortion is truly a wicked act, an abomination on mankind.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Scientists declared that in the first month window to get abortions the "life" is just a self replicating cell with no brain, personality, heart beat, ect and therefore it is not killing a life. It's more like squishing an ant then murdering a human.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Read some accounts from people who have actually worked in the abortion field and got out of it because how wicked and gruesome it really is. Don't believe everything scientists say and ''prove'' do a little research on your own and have a heart towards to the ones that can't speak for themselves. Murder is murder, call it what it really is.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Try reading the definition of murder before giving it false definitions.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

I am calling it what it really is. If people cant stomach it thats their proble. Science has dubbed it a self replicating cell to a certain point of time and therfore murder is not an appropriate label. Pussys with queasy stomachs need to grow a sack and suck it up.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

As soon as a spermatozoa/sperm cell is fertilized which is the process in which a sperm cell successfully meets an egg cell in the Fallopian tubes, the baby is living, or zygote which becomes an embryo and then a fetus. Either way you look at it, it’s not just squashing a bug or something insignificant. It’s really a living being and the first organs it has is the heart and blood vessels. Also just like regular human beings a fetus can poop and pee in the womb.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

Right now the medical and scientific world share one definition when life begins.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

Yes, it has to be murder. But! murder takes place in two ways not one described by religious definition set as words and admission of guilt once made by midwife long ago.By medical standard a woman is killing a life by simply allowing embryo to go unfertile, while a man is then forced to murder countless lives as he would be chosen by a woman in advance, then used as creator of living substance to fertilize only one embryo to spare her of this fate of death by becoming creator of life in the Human Reproduction System. No wonder there is a religious story of Adam and Eve the truth is a horrible fact of nature almost every-one is unwilling to face. And it is the year 2018.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I understand why you might think that the pro-life movement is just religion based. But honestly, it's so much much bigger than that. God created us. He created our bodies so perfectly and he focused on every cell. He even knows how.many hairs we have on our head. He cares that much for us. He even sent his only son to Earth who was tortured, mocked, rejected, and eventually died on a wooden cross for our sins. He made the tiny babies in the womans tummy too. He cares so deeply for us. It breaks my heart too see innocent children slaughtered at the hands of Satan and his demons. I sometimes feel sorry for the mothers. Who have to go through this kind of thing. When people persuade them to make decisions. Yes, the physical baby is inside of her physical body but the heart and spirit was made, and belongs to God. And not a single person on this Earth has the authority to take that away. So I stand with God, that abortion is wrong, but not because it's what my religion says. Because of my personal relationship with Jesus, this is what I believe and know to be true.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: for abortion

All arguments against abortion are based on religious views. You have no right to try to force some one else to live by YOUR mythology.
Debate: Abortion is it right or wrong?
Side: against abortion

I never said I was religious, but if what you say is true, then why do we have any laws like don't rape, steal, assault, murder? I would say they seem to all be based on religion as well, so if you condone abortion, then you wold also condone any of the previous crimes I suggested. So if someone you know was murdered, then why should you be upset since their act was right for them. It's either they are wrong or right, black or white, no grey. Don't tell me murder is wrong then turn around and tell me abortion is right. Contradiction.