azza1625/createdebate-arguments huggingface dataset:
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

They look Mediterranean. Most Middle easterner are defnitely closer in appearence than Blacks or East Asians or even Southern Indians. Most of tehm could pass as Italians or Greek.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Mediterranean is between both Asia and Europe and so their appearances would naturally be similar to both Asian/Middle Eastern and european. So I wouldn't say they look meditarranean. They wouldn't pass of as Italians of Greeks either. I think you need to redefine what a middle easterner looks like because if you've ever been there - they're not white.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

You see, everyone has a bit of white in them, and even thought Jesus might not be white racially, his cum most likely was. Just kidding.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

You weren't kidding you ment it and it's most likely it was :P
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Jewish people are considered white today. Jesus was a Jew. Therefore, by the standards set in today's world He would be considered white when He walked on the earth. However, He is God and God cares about the heart, not the color of the skin.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Jewish people are considered white? That's because those Jews had been living in Europe for a very long time. The Jews of Israel are mostly migrants from various parts of Europe - who are white.Back in Jesus's time there is no way that Jews were even close to being considered european.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

White does not mean European - even people born there are Caucasoid...-. ..- -.-. -.-
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

White doesn't mean European?European means white.Caucasoid doesn't just mean white/european.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

You have no proof of anything you said anywhere in your reply and the arguement is completely lacking any devices of logic. How on earth did you get an upvote?It must have been god ._.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Ok he was white.I used to have pallistinian friends who immagrated to San francisco and I had to work with some. They were WHITE. Almost white as snow.And in the Bible it says Jesus's Mother "Being of fair skin"Fair skin means white skin everyone knows that.Just everyone back then was white some whiter than others.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

"being of fair skin"-does not mean white skin. It means of lighter colour. So that doesn't mean she's white. Sometimes that statement means beauty or unblemished. And what part of the bible is that from? can you give me the exact reference of it? And what version of the bible have you read this from? the wikipedia version?Jesus came fom the middle east...people there need dark skin (larger content of melanin) to protect it from the suns UV rays. Unless he was albino (which was never stated) Jesus was not white. Which doesn't make him any less or more of a person. Like God, it is better to think of Jesus as genderless and colourless..better then us because they cannot be classed.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Ok have you been to Israel or any of the surrounding areas?I have! People there are WHITE majority of them but that place is also a melting pot for all types of skin colors.Also the first century Middle Easterners looked different from today.They were whiter back then than they are now.""being of fair skin"-does not mean white skin. It means of lighter colour. So that doesn't mean she's white."According to fucking who? You?! That's not valid bud."Fair" Also means clean, pure, and beautiful.I don't know about you but when have you seen a "beautiful" Arab/Palestinian/Indian/Iraqi/Afghan? In this century?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

I dont' mean to offend (maybe a little), but seriously, are you even talking about Jesus anymore? You seem to be more concerned about whether or not a Middle Eastern is beautiful.You said it yourself, first century Middle Easterners looked different from how they look today.That doesn't necessarily mean that they were whiter, or that all or most were whiter.Unless you date back as far as the bible does, your statements are no more valid than his/hers.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Lol I knew you'd say Jesus was white.Palestine is in Asia. He was Asian.Hurts doesn't it?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

"Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל‎, Eretẓ Yisra'el; formerly ארץ–כנען, Eretẓ Kena'an; also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) is a conventional name used, among others, to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands."I said people from that region are white.Just because your from India or whatever shit hole part of that world it doesn't mean you know the worlds map. Surrounding that area.Also, the middle east may be in "Asia" but people there are NOT considered "Asian".
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Awwww. You mad because Germans still can't claim credit for Indian civilisation??Ohh I see. they're not considered asian. But they're considered white.You make a great deal of sense for a cunt.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

You do realise that you have created rivalries with most people?There was a Christian sect, Nestorians I believe, that went to India and China and 'set up shop' for quite a while. While I don't believe that they were German, they were European.P.S. I don't see how this related to the topic, but I thought that it would be an interesting addition.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

You're right it doesn't relate to the topic. It also wasn't an interesting addition.Again - I can't sleep because people don't like me.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Bro you have really really big issues.My best bet is you have a anger problem.Why would I care about Indian Civilisation when we are more dominent then a bunch of Rag headed wearing, pre-pubessent sand niggers?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Really? For what 400 years?vs. the rest of human civilisation - I'd say we're still better than you.Don't worry.. 30 years time we'll have taken over you again. That's without foul play, lack of honour, raping, pillaging and the rest of it.Bro you have really really big issues.My best bet is you have a anger problem.That's from my post?Why don't you prove me wrong instead? You still haven't even attempted to prove me wrong.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

uh he was jewis h which is a non white ethnicity homei get your facts straight
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

Let's think about this: No-one living today existed 2,000 years ago, when Jesus was presumed to have been born, therefore, no-one can honestly say that they have physically seen him as a white OR black man. Photography wasn't even heard of at the time, so no pictures could have been taken of him. Adding to that, relying on 'drawings' of Jesus is a pointless cause. These drawings could simply have been the interpretation of Jesus from one man's/woman's point of view. Consider the following problem: If the virgin Mary was white, how could she biologically give birth to a black child? If the virgin Mary was black, how could she have biologically given birth to a white child? My point in this is that we cannot even tell which exactly Mary was, therefore, it is even harder to guess which exactly Jesus was.One thing that is easily noticed among religions is that they depict Jesus as a white man. To emphasize this, Jesus was dubded the son of God, who was also depicted as a white man. Consider this next problem: If Jesus was the son of God, would that mean that he would be identically coloured to God. And if so, would that be influenced by Mary's DNA, or would Jesus simply be portrayed as an identical child of God? One theory suggests that Jesus is the physical form of God (God as a mortal man on Earth). This again circles itself in more questions.To be honest, and personal, I would say that it is impossible to know. Of course people can tie this to the fact that Jesus was born as a Middle-Eastern man, and that he should therefore be of similar appearence to Middle-Easterns, but looking back at my previous argument, how do we know that he was not of identical appearence to God, and if so, would he be fully white, black, or a mix of the two?This is an incredibly sceptical debate, which in my view, cannot be accurately answered.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

And so you have led yourself to the whole point of this discussion. Why is it that Jesus was depicted as white? Eurocentrism.God is only depicted white by whites. Jesus is only depicted white by whites. Mary is depicted white by whites. In truth Jesus nor Mary were white. They were middle eastern. God has no race. Nor would his DNA (is he had any) be similar to mankind. But I don't really think God's DNA is relevant in this debate. lol.He isn't black either. I don't know where you got that from.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

If you examine my case closely, Kinda, you will notice that I gave no mention to "God's DNA." I stated that it is incredibly hard to tell if Jesus would be primarily influenced by Mary's DNA, or if he would simply be portayed in the image of God (this does not relate in any way to God's DNA).The concept of Jesus, Mary or God being black may seem ludicrous to most individuals, including yourself, but there are SOME who may actually believe in the possibility that one, two or all of them may have been black.Take for instance the movie 'Bruce Almighty,' here we see that God is depicted as a Black man, so therefore, you need to accept that it is within the belief of others that there is a possiblity that God was indeed black. This then ties together with the question that I gave above. Will God or Mary influence Jesus' appearence?This concept has 0% to do with DNA, I don't know where you got THAT from.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

(this does not relate in any way to God's DNA).So how else would he inherit his Father's image?First you talk about Jesus inheriting Mary's DNA - but you want to exclude God his Father's DNA?What are you on about?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

No... No... No... you just do not get the point!I am stating that it is incredibly hard to judge the colour of his skin because we then need to decide if he was born in the image of God (as many people do), or whether he was completely based from Mary's DNA. God didn't have sex with Mary (hence the status 'The Virgin Mary'), so therefore God's DNA shouldn't make a difference (if he has DNA, which I would have to say that he wouldn't, because he is supposedly a spiritual entity, and therefore not an actual physical, living, breathing creature)."How else would he inherit his Father's image?"That would be like explaining how Jesus could turn water into wine.God is the creator of life, the universe, and everything that exists. How did he create all this? We can never tell, because all that we can assume is that it was 'within his ability or power' to do so. Therefore, we must assume the same for Jesus; Jesus was created in the image of God because it was within God's ability to do so.Jesus turned water into wine because it was within his ability to do so. See the comparison?There is, however, one other theory that has been around a few times. It was supposedly said that Jesus may have been God in physical form. I do not support this view, but it is, after all, a possibility. Like I said, it would be within God's ability to do so, wouldn't it?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Well, I don't mean to insult you because I like some of your arguements.But you do realize you just spent 6 paragraphs basically explaining the question right?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

iamdavidh, you're looking at my case to simplisticly.I was basically looking the this topic from a wider point of view. In other words, I was re-defining the topic and adding my own point of view.There's no insult, you were just looking at it the wrong way, no big deal.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Jesus was from the Middle East. Generally, people from the Middle East have a Middle Eastern complexion. (duh.)
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

So middle easterners are white? :0
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Finally, someone who actually tries to make educated conversation.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Lol I love the way you supported and disputed the argument.Yes that's exactly it. To say that Jesus was the same ethnicity as Americans or Brits or Western Europeans IS white supremacy.Jesus's image has been raped. Done so by those who claim to be his most devout followers.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

Not raped, portrayed.Some people like one image, some like another, and some prefer to create an image of their own (which in my P.O.V is the worst mistake a person can make when it comes to God, etc.)
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Touche. What I meant was that since Jesus was born in the middle east, he should probably be of darker complexion. The belief that Jesus was white is a white supremecist statement.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

he was most likely a tan white man since he was out in the sun a lot of the time
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

As long as it makes you live spiritually comfortable, the color it's up to you.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

If you believe that Jesus actually existed, you must realize that he did have a color. He was Middle Eastern and, one would logically surmize, was the color of a middle easterner. A person of the Middle East is technically a caucasoid and thus, Jesus was white. However, it is not up to the individual believer to decide what he was. Next, I'm sure somebody will be saying 'Is God a woman?'
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Of course it is up to the individual believer to decide what he was. Religion and faith are per se a matter of choice.If one chooses to be a Catholic, due to personal experiences, to tranquilize his spirit, he is entitled to have an image of a Black Jesus when conducting his religious rituals.Let's remember that there aren't any accurate theological proofs that say Jesus was white.There is no explicit emphasis on race, nor sex.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

There may be, in your opinion, no theological sources that say that he was white. But you must also remember that it is an anthropological assertion that Jews and other Middle Easterners are white. If he was a Jew, a descendent of David, than surely he was white.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

I'm sorry but I find it amazing that you continue to define Middle Easterners as white. You are supposed to be a logical spammer. Not this bull......
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

I reject this line of thought wholeheartedly. It is a slippery slope.The people who believe he really existed (I do not) must then really believe he was a person.As such he must have had skin of one sort or another, it's a biological imperative.It's okay I guess to just "have faith."But when a majority of these superstitious people start believing that "whatever makes you spiritually comfortable" is okay, well we'll start electing people like Palin and be catapulted back to the guilded age.No. If that person existed, he did have a skin color. And it is not okay just to make this person whatever makes you feel comfortable.This "personal Jesus" bs drives me nuts. It's not just whatever whoever feels like it should be. Otherwise, my Jesus was a gangster who wants me to rob banks and kill people.Hey, it's what makes me feel "spiritually comfortable."
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

answer please. I gave a very complex reply. If you are going to downvote you will have to back up your argument. Things like this are the reason a lot of the good debaters have abandoned CD.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

I agree with this completely.Portraying a 'personal image' is more of the 'heaven concept.'To make that a tad clearer, some people believe that when we die, we go to heaven, but rather than finding a land sitting big fluffy clouds, we find our own personal idea of what heaven is. I.e. Chocolate Lover's may find a land of Chocolate, or perhaps a man who loves his family will find them all waiting for him at his home.Then again, some people DO get the idea of heaven as a land sitting on big fluffy clouds, such as is on this episode of The Simpson's that I extracted from Youtube (as seen below).Anyway, getting back on topic, Jesus is Jesus, God is God, not an Elephant or any other strange ludicrous form (in my P.O.V anyway).
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

And I get A Downvote?May I please ask why? I am really curious as to who believes that heaven can be interpreted in any other way?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Even "white" people aren't white. By my reckoning, they appear to be a yellowish pink.I don't believe Jesus was yellowish pink. Considering the climate, his skin was likely more heavily pigmented.Now if you are asking about his racial identity...well, I have some bad news for you about that as well. Race is a sociological construct, not a biologic fact. There is no White Race, no Black Race, no Red Race, and no Yellow Race. The fact is, there is no such thing as "race", biologically speaking. Today, most scientists reject the concept of race as a valid way of defining human beings. Researchers no longer believe that races are distinct biological categories created by differences in genes that people inherit from their ancestors. In fact, there are more biological differences within a supposed racial group than there are between people of various racial categories. But, ya sure. Better your god be white, like you, right? White folk ain't' gonna be worshiping no sand nigger now, are they?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Who cares what color he was! OR what race he was?He was about unconditional universal love was he not . Was he not accepting of man , woman or child regardless of race or financial status etc.Do you think that he would not be pissed off at all here for damning what he actually stood for.Either way for all who boast of Jesus they ought to pack shit that they are wrong.Ive seen black , asian ,europeon , Jesus statues.All false worship is blasphermous.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

1. we don't know, because we never met him. He might have been a total douche.2. He's dead, so he's incapable of being pissed at anyone.3. You're completely insane. You know that right?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

he was olive skinned, like the Ahmadinejad. you can probably compare his skin to alot of mexicans that you would see on the streets of america today.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Impossible to say

"he was olive skinned..."How do you know this? Did a friend tell you this?"you can probably compare his skin to a lot of mexicans that you would see on the streets of america today."Since when does Jesus look Mexican? Did a friend tell you this?You have no way of legitimately supporting your points, without being contradicted by my arguments in my posts on the left-hand side.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Nope. Not sure of the exact tone of his skin. Probably pretty dark but I mean, he was no European.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

He was olive skinned he was neither white nor black he was actually mediterrainean.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

Palestine is in the mediterrainean region?Well that changes everything!He wasn't born in BethlehemHe was from SPAAAARRRTTAAAAA!!!......
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

It's hard to tell because I don't really know about the migration patterns that have occured since.However logic and reason would tell me he was not european - but at best fair skinned.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Jesus cam from a region where there was a large jewish population and is directly related to King David who was a jew therfor Jesus Christ was jewish
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Obviously not.It is fucking funny how Europeans for all these years have worshipped somebody who's technically a middleeastern.:D
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

So what if Jesus WAS born in the Middle East.He didnt have people kneel before him chanting his name. I dont care what color he was . Just as he didnt care what color i am.Or am i wrong.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Yep you are wrong.The God in the Testament specifically states he is the God of the Israelites. Anybody who isn't an israelite or descended as one - should not be Christian or Jewish.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

oh you were there were you ? ok.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

No. But I can read.Read the Bible. You may learn something.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

oh good god ! which one?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

The B I B L E.I'm pretty sure they all say the same thing. It's only peoples 'interpretations' that vary. And if they don't say the same thing then somebody's lying.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: Yes

W H ICHBIBLE?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

There's more than one Bible?Ohhh wait I realised you're stupid.The Old Testament. That make it better?
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

ok so you have the original? The one written in "the beggining"?Can i borrow it ? You see i have a few of The Old testaments.But their all in english.Modern english actually compared to that of the "original" text.Oh but i also have a ministers bible , you know the ones they use to preach their sermons from .Also i have a couple of New Testaments , some older then my dead granny.Also i have other bibles here as well. Also other books im not meant to have , but i wont say what they are or i will have unwanted unnessecary attention from authoritiesYou people can keep fighting about whos god is the one if you all like.Bothers me very little that "god" cares as much about all this as i do. I fail to see that "god is going to be who you all say he is , just because you all say so.btw-The Authorized King James Version of 1611 will that do?btw- Are you reading from a study bible such as Scofield?btw does the Holy Qur'an say the same?All you have said here basically is, that a book is right ,and that you should believe in it , because it tells you to.Yeah rightio.Good luck .
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Several times throughout the Exodus, when God talks to Moses.Exodus 3:13Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?"Exodus 3:12-14 (in Context) Exodus 3 (Whole Chapter)Exodus 3:15God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation.Exodus 3:14-16 (in Context) Exodus 3 (Whole Chapter)Exodus 16:12"I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, 'At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God.' "Exodus 16:11-13 (in Context) Exodus 16 (Whole Chapter) Exodus 29:45Then I will dwell among the Israelites and be their God.Exodus 29:44-46 (in Context) Exodus 29 (Whole Chapter) Now please. Tell me if you can find any bullshit out there that does not agree with that.If you're going to do so, do it without making yourself look like an idiot. Do it without being an idiot. Provide quotes, references etc. Don't tell me you don't have anything to prove, or that this is crap or that it's opinion. Let's see if you can debate for once in your life. I dare you.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

"Several times throughout the Exodus, when God talks to Moses."I havent heard them say anything.
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: No

Good. So you admit defeat. It's a shame because I thought you may actually want to debate for once....
Debate: Was Jesus White?
Side: yes

No. I admit that you are a fucking idiot that damns god to death.