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Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

It not whether it's human. We know it's human. We also know that before at least week 20, it cannot survive on its own. It has all the POTENTIAL of a life, but that's only a POTENTIAL. Until it can be kept alive by society without the mother, it's the mother's choice to continue to bring this POTENTIAL life into existence or not.So the question is "Is it life, or is it potential life?" and the answer is "it's potential life". So then it's in the same category as any egg or sperm on its own.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

... So I can find a pregnant dog and stab it in the vagina?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Most abortions occur at 10 weeks, can somebody please look at these pictures and please tell me what that is if it's not human. And if you dare go watch the video silent scream and please tell me what is going on there, because they sure aren't removing a clump of cells. If your are for abortion please tell me what that is they are sucking out into the trash.I don't think most people know what an abortion is, nor have they seen one. If you are for abortion at least inform yourself and watch the video silent screamand make an educated call about abortion
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Silent Scream is unscientific. I tried watching it, and I could not even see the baby. They need to come up with better proof.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

You're so closed minded it's ridiculous.In fact, quite a few people have experienced abortion first hand, and it's never an easy decision, but sometimes it is the right one.It doesn't matter what the thing looks like. Science tells us that thing is not yet a sentient being, therefore it is not killing a sentient being. Cute pictures does not = sound scientific reasoning.You don't like abortion. Fine, don't have one, but that you choose not to believe the fact that at ten weeks that little thing has 0 sense of self, does not constitute any type of proof that abortion should be banned for those who choose to undergo it before that thing is sentient.No one is for abortion once the child is self-aware. A self-aware human should not be aborted.That is not a self-aware human, no matter how cute. And that said, the vast vast majority of abortions take place before the first couple weeks.And that said, most science says there is not even a hint of possible self-awareness until around 26 weeks!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I guess you were not man enough to match the video Silent Scream because that video clearly show a fetus doing what you say it can't; showing signs of awareness.I also I didn't say"  few people have experienced abortion first hand". What I said is that few really know what it is.About being "closed minded "it doesn't matter what the thing looks like."If it looks human and genetically it's human; it probably is human.The question still remains unanswered: What kind of being is it? Your attempt to redefine the question hasn't changed the question, nor does it answer it. And a question not properly answered doesn't go away. That's why abortion is still a hot topic 35yrs after Roe vs Wade. There are a lot of people for whom something seems dreadfully wrong and for those of you who support abortion to dismiss us with some fancy mental gymnastics is simply inadequate. So please, answer the question.You also lose credibility with statements like these"the vast vast majority of abortions take place before the first couple weeks." How do you abort something you don't know you have? In most cases it's a missed period that tips the woman off and that takes time. Facts are annoying things when they contradict you and you can't make them go away by changing them. Do your research first before you make assertions like this, Because for those of us who have. you lose credibility. But I think you make my point that most people don't know much about abortion. But tell me iamdavidh, were you ever an unborn baby? Because if you were. you have to acknowledge that an abortion would have killed you, not something else but you. And that means abortion kills people in the early stages of their life not something else that later becomes them, but them.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Listen, you want to believe it's a living thing based on that video, fine, I'll trust science. If science says it's a sentient being, I'll be against it.In the meantime, don't make these poor girls feel worse they they already do about the whole thing.So you're against it, but obviously a lot of people think that "silent scream" is rubbish.You know what, beatles make a noise when you squish them. They're not sentient though, and they actually have more brains than a fetus before the first couple weeks.Meanwhile, these poor girls, half the time they were raped, or their still just kids them self,and you get these nuts calling them nazis and killers and everything else,you know what, they're not killers. I don't know what a fetus is, you don't, but science does, and science says they aren't people yet.It says they're people after the third-trimester,before then, leave these girls alone until you have some scientific proof beyond,"I really really really really feel it's a living person."And to the last ridiculous paragraph. Had I been aborted I would have never existed, and so no, I would not have been killed. So there. I was a sperm once too, should guys stop ejaculating?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

You should spend more time thinking about what you say before you type because you are starting to appear irrational.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

... science is irrational... and pretending you hear the screams of things that haven't developed vocal cords is perfectly sanegot it, thanks for the heads up :/These downvotes don't impress me either. I realize there is a religious coupe going on on create debate right now. But you'll get bored of being wrong eventually and move along to a site that will reinforce your misguided opinions instead of challenging them. Don't worry about saying good-bye, I hate long good byes and I tear up, you know, the emotion and all...
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

You are good at making my point thank you. A question not properly answered never goes away, and equivocating on terms is a poor attempt to cloud the issue.It does appear you are rather uninformed about fetal development. I do hope you would be more open minded and consider the possibility that you might actually be mistaken.I only down vote faulty logic :) and insult is no argument, please deal with ihe issue at hand and actually respond to what is said and not what you think is said.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

What amazes me is that iamdavidh has the patience to put forth logics to argue against your stupid feelings and belief system. The question is never whether the fetus is a human! We all know it's human! It's a human sperm and egg so ofcourse it's human. The question really is "is it a person?"... and it's clearly not. Leave your beliefs and bible at home please.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Iamdavidh is perfectly logical and rational. Jstantall, you're the one that's irrational. Can't you see? Oh, wait that's like asking a crazy guy if he can see that he's crazy!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Science has been wrong in the past. If science were always blindly trusted, we would never progress. It is challenging science that makes us find new and better answers.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I'm all for challenging science, but while we're at it why don't we challenge religions too?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Sure why not? You can challenge any religion you like but what makes you think I am against abortion based on my religion?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

You are wrong about science saying it is not a human being.SCIENCE SAYS IT IS A HUMAN BEING.SCIENCE SAYS THAT THIS BABY IS VERY DEVELOPED AT TWELVE WEEKS.I thought you might want to know this.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Why do we need an excuse to get rid of a fetus if we don't want it? It's our fetus, not yours, we can get rid of this one and then we can make another one! Women have children after abortions all the time, it's when they're ready to be mothers!It's not a person before it can survive outside the womb, so if you think it is a person good for you! Don't force us to see your point of view as we don't force you to see ours.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Why do you want an excuse to kill it? What has a fetus ever done to you to deserve the fate of death itself? You re a disgraceful smear on humanity itself.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

AT NINE WEEKS A BABY HAS A HEART BEATONCE AGAIN I ASK YOU TO READ THIS LINK!!!!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

That does not remove a woman's right to choose .
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

You're not bringing any new arguments to the table, so stop spamming!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

how is stabbing a pregnant dog, the same as abortion. it is completely different. we're not saying u can stab a pregnant person but we're saying that the pregnant person should have the option to abort. not that it is ok to go and stab any person that is pregnant.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Read what I was replying to. I was being facetious.Following the logic of the statement I was replying to, it would wrong to have an abortion ever under any circumstance, but something like say, stabbing a pregnant dog in the vagina, would be just fine... if one were to follow the logic,which it's become quite apparent few posting under this topic are capable of.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Ugh! lmao!Apparently I won this little debate because the entire thread that lead to my (again) having to over explained simple logic to the pro-lifers was deleted.I guess the one I was arguing with had a sudden epiphany and saw how ridiculous I was making them look so decided to delete all their replies :)
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

we're saying that the pregnant person should have the option to abort.Then why is your argument tagged "abortion should be banned"?Also funny to note is that (at this time) your post is the top post on this side!?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

No answer to my retort, just a down vote. That helps alot!?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I'm sooo sick of people like you who feel like they have to be contradicted to know that they're getting the point accross. It is ridiculous and is getting on my nerves.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I've lost everybody in this thread... can we just say that:- stabbing a dog anywhere is kinda sick and is not ok (unless you eat dogs like in some countries). - abortion should not be outlawed until week 20 into the pregnancy.- people who are pro-life should keep their point of view and not force it on others and make them feel like they're murders, cos it's not like killing a person.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Yes, this type of stupid hypocracy must be banned!The parents have right to kill themselves but not their growing babies.Many countries face a crisis due to this. If the abortio is not a safe mode executed, then it can affect the parent's health too.Friends, How can you accept the death of an innocent infant who never harmed you?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Friend, it has nothing to do with you unless you can keep it alive yourself. Before the fetus turns at least 20 weeks old, it has no chance of survival outside of the mother's womb. This means she alone should have the choice. You should not butt in just because of your own feelings. Consider other people's feelings, consider the people who are directly affected by this. They should have the choice to keep the pregnancy or not before it turns 20 weeks. If you can't keep it, then butt out! It's not an infant, it's merely a POTENTIAL life, which is in the same category as an egg or sperm on its own.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I would just like to add one more thing. Everyone who is for abortion seems to insist this should solely be the woman's decision. Why is that? What about the father? Why should he have no say in a child that he would have to bear legal responsibility to if it were born?Suppose, a father says he does not want the child and she has it anyway. He is still legally liable to this child. Now, suppose the opposite. He wants the child, is willing to raise this child without any financial support from the mother and is willing to bear all financial burden of the mother while she is unable to work. He should not have this right?
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

The father's decision or the mother's decision? What does it have to do with the fact that it should be banned or not? This is a NON-ARGUMENT.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

When the man has sex with a woman, he knows he is potentially creating a life. He must be prepared to accept whether the woman wants to keep it. It's inside her, not him. Consider you taking your child over to a neighbour and asks him to babysit the child while you go out for dinner. The neighbour shouldn't have to babysit just because you asked him. He has to look after the child, so he has the choice to do it or not. You are responsible for this child whether he wants to babysit or not.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

The father doesn't have to carry the baby for nine months and then have it wreak havoc on his body while he pushes it out of a hole four sizes too small. If he does make the offer to fully support the child without the mother being around, good for him, but he still can't force her to carry and birth it.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

OK this is not an argument against abortion but I do think it is a good reason they should be banned. I'll let the story speak for it's self.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

It's a moving story, yes. However the boy is now a life! Before it became a life, it was only a potential life attached to its mother and is completely dependent on her. Only she should have the say in whether it should be kept or not. I am pro-choice, so I say give the women who are considering abortion as much counselling and options and information as you can, but before the fetus can survive outside of her womb it's her choice and society should not make her do anything she doesn't want to do.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Abortion is stupid. All thes chicks that have abortions are stupid.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Speak for yourself, unintelligent ape. I believe he has argued logically and you? You haven't brought a thing to justify your claims on abortion. It's all excuses. It's a pity you didn't get aborted since you claim fetuses are non living which they aren't and it's exactly my point. The hypocritical claims you pro abortionists have is; it's a choice. But do you ever think before acting? Why are you so anxious to avoid the responsibilities and consequences of your actions? This is why morality is important in society. This is why marriage was created to prevent out of control sex, in order to prevent consequences of a baby being created and then a mother who doesn't know A THING ABOUT HOW TO TAKE CARE OF HIM OR HER!!!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

"Abortion is stupid. All these* chicks that have abortions are stupid."First of all, check your spelling before an argument, always.Second of all, saying abortion is stupid isn't helping your case at all, because you show no evidence that proves abortion is 'stupid'. How can you prove that abortion is stupid, which means "having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense". Doesn't really prove much, buddy.Thirdly, All these "chicks" having abortions could be having them for many reasons, once again it doesn't prove they are in any way stupid. They could just not be able to take care of the child, they could be financially unstable, the baby daddy could have forced them, the dad could be abusive, they could be druggies. You never know. Saying someone or something is stupid just because you don't agree is bias. Try and look on all sides of the fence before picking a side, buddy.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Those chicks chose to have sex in the first place. It's no surprise that they complain about being pregnant. Who are the ones who had sex in the first place right? It's their responsibility and the man's responsibility too. It takes one man and one woman to make a child.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

This is not an argument but supporting evidence of why abortion should be banned. This woman knows first hand what abortion is and what it does. If you are going to argue for abortion you will need to overcome this woman's testimony. But I bet most people will just attack her character falsely.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

If you down voted this it says more about you than it does my point, shame on you.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

I once saw a fetus move towards the abortion probe, as if it wanted to be aborted as quickly as it could.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

I bet that's what you all claim eh? I once saw a man named Jesus defending the lives of children by saying they are the most cherished, the most precious and are the most vulnerable. They are to be protected at all times. Legit words from the Son of God who would denounce you immediately!!
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Let's assume that we don't know when life begins or at what point those cells in the mothers womb become human. And let's say we can't answer the question, what is it. If we take all the arguments for abortion and weigh all the objections then I have only one question. If we don't know the right or wrong answer to the question of abortion. Why not err on the side of life?  If we don't know, and this debate demonstrates that, then why not use caution and restraint? It's seems to me that if this issue of abortion is "debatable" then it would be unwise to throw open the gates of permission. What if we are wrong and it turns out that we have actually snuffed out the life of over 45 million children? I think the guilt of that would have a more profound affect on our nation than thousands of women who die from back ally abortions. See, in abortion we as a nation are complicate in the act because we as a nation sanctioned it. In the back ally abortion we have no guilt because the parties acted contrary to our law. If you think nations don't have guilt, ask a German about the Holocaust. The don't like to talk about it for obvious reasons.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

Err on the side of life? ERR??? This is not guess work. The fact is we DO know that it's human, we DO know that it's definitely a POTENTIAL life (but not ACTUAL life). We DO know the answer to most of these questions. We just want a choice. Don't word it as if you've sanctioned abortions. You are simply giving people a choice. Put it another way, you haven't taken away their rights to choose. Holocaust is killing Jews. Choice to abort a fetus that cannot survive outside the womb until at least week 20 is the same as using a condom or abstaining, or masterbating into the toilet.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

There is a VERY simple answer to the abortion debate:Abortion should NOT be a form of birth control. It should ONLY be allowed (as a final solution) in the event of a pregnancy resulting from rape, incest, or other sexual crime.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

That sounds like YOUR solution to a minority of people. Don't you dare make everyone abide by the minority's rules. If it was a simple answer, it wouldn't be such a huge issue. Abortion isn't a form of birth control like condoms or the pill, for those directly involved it's a difficult choice that they have to make because bringing a human life up is no easy task. It's not like having a pet (and even that is a big ask because not all pet owners are responsible).Again, it's the choice of those directly involved. It doesn't affect anybody else's life, so leave it alone.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should be banned

Of all the arguments I have made about this issue I think it comes down to this simple fact; Abortion should be banned because the most dangerous place in America shouldn't be the womb.I say this because statistically speaking more human beings are killed there everyday than anywhere else. That in my opinion simply should not be.
Debate: should abortion be banned
Side: abortion should not be banned

The fundamental issue regarding the abortion debate is not women's rights or other factors which concern personal autonomy, but over the status of the unborn child. Variants of the personal choice argument presuppose that the unborn child is not a human person, for if the unborn child is indeed a human person, then no amount of freedom justifies its elective termination. Henceforth, variants of the personal autonomy argument beg the question by presupposing their conclusions: they are valid if and only if the unborn are not human persons.First premise is that it is prima facie morally wrong to kill any person. Jane English makes an interesting point that this is not always the case. For example, would not self-defense be a legitimate example of when killing a person is justified? However, the abortion opponent could also claim that fetus' are innocent entities, but even then prima facie it would seem that self-defense would still be legitimate.A fetus is a person because it posses "intrinsic potentials". However, before that he admits that an argument that shows unborn are persons because they have the persons to become persons is absurd...