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Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

"As I stated in my previous argument the practice of legal recognition of aspects of homosexual unions is new and unprecedented."First result on google: "The first country to allow same-sex couples to enter into legally recognized marriage was the Netherlands, effective in 2001. Since then, six other countries and seven U.S. states have followed suit, though voters in California revoked it through passage of Proposition 8." I wouldn't call that unprecedented. If you are going to make a strong claim such as something has never been practiced, you should be sure you actually know what you are talking about. Therefore as I said using traditional marriage as an argument against same-sex marriage is just like using traditional marriage as an argument against interracial marriage.And your argument about language was really just wordy, vacuous, pseudo-intellectual babble. Words and language change over time. This is a natural phenomenon. Cultures are not stagnant. Marriage used to be between a man and the women he bought essentially. Society changes. This does not equate to a destruction of language."What proponents of the phrase "gay marriage" demand is that the rest of society be forced to accept their own standard of the meaning of those words. And they seek to force this by attempting to enshrine their own particular minority definition upon the majority."You mean, just like interracial marriage? If you can't see the comparison, I'm really sorry."Even at their peak, the Nazis never had a majority of political affiliation, they took power as a political minority, but look what havok they wreaked upon their own citizenry and the values which they imposed by force upon the majority!"Yes because the LGBT movement trying to gain civil rights is exactly like the Nazi regime.I don't think you read 1984 very carefully if you think anything in it can be applied to being against same-sex marriage.And I find no logical pathway for how same-sex marriage could lead to "a state of total decay and ruin." That's some class A fear mongering right there. Do you work for NOM?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Very good, nonostrum, on pointing out that interracial marriage has a historical reference and doesn't need a special opinion to legalize it. "Homosexual marriage?" though? Not normal, not natural, but very very harmful to kids and to individuals due to STIs, STDs, HIV/AIDs etc.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

You should not deride another's love as unworthy without a damn good reason. Semantic bullshit is not a good reason.Your argument in nothing but thinly veiled gay bashing.That said, allowing gays to marry does not radically redefine marriage. You just flip the gender of one of the participants. Everything else stays the same.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I have not "derided another's love as unworthy" as you claim.My argument is not "nothing but a thinly veiled gay bashing." as you claim. I have used only logic and reason in my arguments. You're statement on the other hand is tantamount to calling me a gay basher; it is slander and it is libelous, it is personally hurtful and i would ask that you refrain from ad homonim attacks, and confine yourself to the more respected tools of argument.If you believe that i am a "gay basher" then i say you have me confused with someone else.In any event, i would ask that you not resort to personal attacks, especially when this is a forum for arguing for or against a particular question, and this does not necessarily reflect ones personal views but is an exercize in public debate methods, as I'm sure you are aware of.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

"I have not "derided another's love as unworthy" as you claim."Yes you have, all who campaign against gay marriage are essentially making that statement."this does not necessarily reflect ones personal views but is an exercize in public debate methods"Well if you're just playing Devil's advocate, then I apologize for calling you a gay-basher.But consider the effects of your words: Neocon sheep are liable to skim through your argument, nodding their heads without understanding, thinking that there is some kind of rational justification for their hateful beliefs. We can't have that.Oh, and you seem to have overlooked the last paragraph in my previous argument. No ad-hominem there.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Your arguments are weak and pathetic. All you do is cry and whine about your rights and how special you are. YOU AREN'T ABOVE THE LAW AND HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. TARGET KIDS AND YOU WILL BE ARRESTED BY CIVILIANS AROUND YOU.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

That is not how this works. "You just simply flip the gender of one of the participants" - Sounds like you are redefining marriage, disregarding the facts and whole purpose behind marriage; creating a family including children. "Gay marriage" does not exist and will never be seen as normal. You support rape? Because that's how it is in schools. They are brainwashing kids into thinking being gay is normal when it does not bring anything good. It doesn't bring kids, it doesn't bring fruitfulness nor reproductive contributions to society and it certainly isn't healthy due to STIs, STDs, HIV/AIDs etc. So yeah, cry me a river and get over it. Your arguments are invalid. May God have mercy on your soul. Sodom & Gomorrah were burnt down for a reason. God sent an angel to destroy the entire Assyrian army for a reason; because they wanted to convert the people in Jerusalem to a false religion.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Love? Homosexuals love each other? The stats say only 4.5% of homosexuals stay faithful to their partner. 28% of homosexuals say they've had more than 1000 partners throughout their lives. 1000! 78% of homosexuals admit that half their partners were total strangers. There is no love in them only lust. They burn with a desire that cannot be satisfied because it isn't natural. They suffer from a mental disorder caused most often by sexual trauma during early childhood. Every homosexual I know has factually been sexually abused or shows signs of sexual abuse. They're victims in need of help and healing but you're telling them they were born this way. You're hindering them from seeking the help they need and you encourage them to keep on living a self-destructive life style. If you loved them you'd tell them the truth. Nothing good ever comes from supressing the truth.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

It hurts families, the more gay marriage the less families there will be, children need a mother and a father to look up to.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Jake So how does it hurt you personally? What you have said is a moral thing...not an actual hurt. I know plenty of people that have grow up with out a parent and it didn't hurt them a bit. Some on...try again but lets hear how it hurts on a personal level without the moral issue.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Oh, it doesn't hurt me, don't you worry. It only hurts them because it lessens their chances of getting into heaven by, lets say, allot! And that is an actual hurt, maybe not right now but eventually the consequences will come. Yeah immorality can hurt you very, very badly. Allot of people are in denial about this. (;
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

So you're basing your arguments off of christian mythology?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Can you prove that it is mythology?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Pfft, can you prove that it's true?What you're doing here is that you're moving the burden of proof over to me, a common mistake that theists make.Here's your argument, except from a different angle:Can you prove that the beliefs from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are mythology?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Why from a different angle? Why cant you answer my question the way it is? My answer to you is no, I can't prove to you that my religion is true, but I can tell you that I know that it is. Its not so much about what's true or not, but about how you live your life and the choices you make.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

"I can't prove to you that my religion is true, but I can tell you that I know that it is."No, you don't "know" that Christianity is right, you have faith in Christianity.Knowledge has a rational foundation.Faith is unfounded and irrational.The problem with faith is that when people of two different faiths conflict, how do we decide which one is right? If you have faith in Christianity and another person has faith in Islam, how do we decide who is right? We can't, because neither belief has a rational foundation.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

And that's why we live in a secular society that bases it's laws off of rationality and not religion.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

"...bases it's laws off of rationality and not religion."At least we hope so... and want it to be so... but is it really? I don't think that some people do want this at all!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

What about people that have think that god doesn't exist. Because they don't know that God doesn't exist. Can we decide they are right? We can't decide these things for ourself based on other peoples beliefs. It is important to find these things out for ourselves. How do you know that I don't know. Why can't I have faith and knowledge. The truth is you need both.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

I don't know whether God exists or not. I think that question is impossible to answer because I think it is impossible for us to know anything about the stuff outside of our own universe.Because it is impossible know anything about the initial forces that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God was that force. And even if we do assume that God created the universe, it makes no sense to jump from there to saying Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong.This isn't just some personal belief. This is the only rational conclusion.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

So do you admitt that you don't know if I am right or wrong?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Yes. But seeing as how the Chrisitan God is just one of an infinite number of possible explanations as to the origin of the universe, I'd say the probability that you are correct is practically zero.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Says who? Do you think making gay marriage illegal means there will be less homosexuals? Don't you think that an orphan would rather have homosexual parents rather then no parents at all? Have you even ever met a family with homosexual parents? Unlike you, I have. They were actually a lot better adjusted then most people I know who have straight parents. I'm not sure why your so homophobic Jake, but I think maybe you need to be a little more open minded.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"Do you think making gay marriage illegal means there will be less homosexuals?"No, thanks for asking, don't know where you got that idea.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

"It hurts families, the more gay marriage the less families there will be"Well what did you mean by this statement? How does gay marriage being legal mean less families?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Meaning that children will start to see it as normal and choose to be gay. How many times I'm a gonna have to tell you this?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

OH good grief How close minded can one nutter be? Someone that chooses to be gay does it on their own one way or the other. Its not your business who someone finds attractive or falls in love with.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

How exactly, am I being closed minded? I think im pretty open minded, im not just going with the mediaflow like most of you "nutter"s are.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

The "mediaflow"? You think that we all feel this way because the media told us to? Wow... that is quite an insult! I just know to treat everyone fairly.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Because the way you worded your statement shows that you believe that it isn't "ok" to be gay as you were apparently scared of children thinking it is ok to be gay. See? You can't even see the way you think clearly yourself. Gay people are the way they are. They aren't an aberration or a fluke or the consequence of a choice. They are human beings that simply prefer same sex partners AND THAT IS OK.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"the way you worded your statement shows that you believe"Hmm, that doesn't make sense. If I say something does that mean that I believe it? No.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

What? So are you just admitting to talking out of your ass? Yes, if you espouse a belief I will believe that you believe it as a general courtesy of not thinking you a constant liar. If no one can believe your words at face value then there is no point ever debating you again as you just outed yourself as a nihilist, one who believes in nothing. Saying you think it's wrong for children to think being gay is ok says a lot about you. If you don't believe that then be more clear in your posts, because you seem constantly out of your depth on this site my friend.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

You're right, Jake. All kids need a mom and a dad. The problem is, they are now indoctrinating kids to believe the opposite. That's what's harmful. Not only that, women have to endure through men identifying as women to use the women's bathroom. Same with men have to endure through women who identify as men to use the men's bathroom. Then there is the issue of the sports teams. Women now have to see men who think they have "transformed" into women to beat them at sports and vice versa. Ellen Page for example is harmful and same with Bruce Jenner. They are two examples of mentally ill individuals. Ellen is still a woman, it doesn't matter that she identifies as a man. I will feel uncomfortable seeing her as a "male" in the men's washroom. As for Bruce Jenner? Same thing, I bet women are not comfortable with the fact that he is falsely calling himself a woman and using their washroom. The so called "trans" people are still gay. If a man thinks he's a woman but marries a man while still being a man but tries to look like a woman, he's gay. If a woman thinks she is a man but marries a woman yet is still a woman by birth, she's lesbian. Those are brutal and objective absolute facts. Marriage is only recognized between a biological man and a biological woman. "Transgender" is a menace in society and will not be accepted.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Sorry Jake. i don't want you to feel like you're being picked on or ganged up on. Some of these people have really pissed me off and that's not easy thing to do but I have to side with them on this issue...... but only to point. After that, I'm back to fighting them. There's a fundamental difference in their argument that just sets me off.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Aww. Back in the day when Joecav debated sincerely. ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Wait..., what? No!!! ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

On the contrary, IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE PISSED MANY PEOPLE OFF BECAUSE OF ALL THE INDOCTRINATION OF KIDS INTO AIDS/HIV, HEPTATIS, STI AND STD INTOXICATION. You have no truth within you. You only have lust and pride. There is no fundamental difference. This is about immorality. Homosexuality is susceptible to adultery and to ruining families.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I guess if I pissed someone off then my job here is done ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Don't side with the homosexuals, joecavalry, who scream. Institutions and schools are indoctrinating kids into this whole "gay is right" sort of thing. There is no common sense in supporting it at all. Tell me, do you support the youth and future generations in suffering from AIDs/HIV? Or Hepatitis? Or STIs and STDs overall? I don't think you do!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I don't even remember what side I was on ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Thanks for at least trying to be a little bit nice. These people need to lighten up a little bit.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Jake, why should anyone lighten up? You're doing a pretty good job venting your point of view, why shouldn't others?
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Thanks for understanding ;)
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Let's just say that 5 years ago when I married my husband, homosexual marriage was legal... this would have had absolutely no effect on my choice to get married to him! Why do you say that there would be less families? How do you define a family? People who care for each other? There are thousands of kids in orphanages all over the world who would be a billion times better off being raised by 2 homosexuals than left in the orphanage! I agree with you that we all need a male and female role model to look up to, but this does not have to be a biological parent!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

I didn't say that it would affect anyones choice on if they are homosexual, or who they marrie. I define a family as a mother and father who love each other(not just care for each other) and for their children. Also, parents are more than just role models."There are thousands of kids in orphanages all over the world who would be a billion times better off being raised by 2 homosexuals than left in the orphanage!" -says who!? a billion times, please
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

So you define a family as "a mother and father who love each other(not just care for each other) and for their children." What happens if the father dies in Iraq? Are they no longer a family? There are thousands of families all over the world who do not fit this definition and still raise healthy and happy children!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

The majority of the happy and healthy people are raised by a mother and a father. And if one of them dies they are still a family. I believe that families can be together forever and that death is not the end.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

So are you really saying that a child would be better off in an orphanage than raised by a homosexual couple? I really don't believe that, Jake...
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

No thats not what I'm saying, that should be left for the kids to decide.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

You want a 1 year old child in an orphanage to decide? Why not let them vote, drink, smoke, drive and do other things then... please, they are children and not old enough to make such choices! Plus, do you really think that a child would rather stay in an orphanage than be loved by 2 people in a home where they have family... even if that family is 2 men? I have friends (heterosexuals) who just adopted a 2 year old child because they cannot have kids... that child has some issues, but is so happy to no longer be in an orphanage!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Every child should be raised by heterosexual parents. Gay couples shouldn't adopt, they are not parents.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

What defines a parent? The person who gave an egg and the person who gave the sperm? I have cousins who are adopted and are perfectly normal and healthy, I have those friends I spoke of before who just adopted less than a month ago. These people are all parents regardless of the fact that they did not give birth to these children! This would be no different if 2 gays adapted. I think that being a parent is more about loving and supporting a child than just knocking some woman up! There are thousands of men out there who get a woman pregnant but have nothing to do with the child's life. The way you are defining being a parent this man would be a father... yet has not doing a damn thing other than ejaculate!
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Parents are people who are legally married who actually love each other and their children and who stay together. Not just gay sex partners.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

You don't really address any of my questions, Jake. I counter your debate and then you ignore the point and go off on a tangent. So you say that parents are legally married... ok, so if there is a divorce those people are no longer parents? If there is a death of a parent? You are defining a family in a very narrow sense. Gay sex partners are not what we are talking about here, but gay "people who actually love each other and their children and who stay together."
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"ok, so if there is a divorce those people are no longer parents?" -not necessarily"If there is a death of a parent?" -no"You are defining a family in a very narrow sense."Yes, I am because I know that a family is a very important and sacred thing that should not be altered in any way. Family is the most important thing in life.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

Who says your definition of family is correct? You think that two people who love each other should not be able to adopt merely because they are the same sex? How about single people who adopt?Family is very important. Explain to me why homosexual parents are any less capable then heterosexual parents at raising a child.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

"Who says your definition of family is correct?" Well, ha, alot of people, including the majority of California. "You think that two people who love each other should not be able to adopt merely because they are the same sex?"Merely because I think that is not how kids should be raised. And im not a big fan of single people adopting.Im not saying that they are less capaple, im saying that its not good for the kids.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

What if I thought you shouldn't be allowed to raise kids? Would that give me the right to take away your right to adopt?Unless you have some proof that children of homosexual parents are somehow harmed, then you are just spouting bullshit. I actually know people with gay parents. I would love to see you repeat what you just said to their face.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Hurts everyone?

Well its a good thing for me that I was right about the fact that the U.S. doesn't vote on things that should not be voted on. But, if there was a vote like that then you would be the minority. If I couldn't adopt allot of people wouldn't be allowed to.
Debate: How can gay marriage hurt any one?
Side: Doesnt hurt anyone

2 parents, say the research, regardless of gender. That's the formula for healthy upbringing.