as a as a PhD advisor but the to summarize dr. Hinton's comments and ad hominem arguments diverged from the contents of my post and do not challenge the facts and so on and i have to say after reading this this this is a this is correct right hinton basically replies to hey i I never claimed I invented back prop and other people have invented it and Schmidt Hoover doesn't criticize hinton in this particular post he may otherwise schmidhuber doesn't create as as Hinton for claiming that he criticizes Honda for claiming that