to such specific beliefs as opposed to emotional reactions to major events that affect us. There, I should actually credit Pascal Boyer for linking the idea that we are mentalizing, we're apt to attribute minds to others as one of the core explanations for why we are subject to religious beliefs that leads to spiritualist beliefs. Right. So, Lisa, what's your view on these two sort of poles, the need for community transcendent experience and perhaps something that just speaks to the way in which certain ideas naturally