direction still you'd have the problem that here you can only have positive signal or a zero and they might be extreme valued which okay it can't be really encoded with the spiking because they are they're limited in the range they can assume but they are also of a different type and I'm what I mean by that is basically if you think of this as a programming problem then the forward passes here are our activations right and the backward passes here they are deltas so in the backward passes view either propagate deltas or you