prepared to hear you say say that but as people look at your career there are some lessons some draw about the stubborn persistence in an idea in the face of most people saying it's nonsense in America as well and then maybe even into Canada or where you later went there was still in it an academy saying what you were interested in and what you were pursuing was wrong yes but I sent him over bad things about psychology but what happened was after backpropagation you have been rediscovered by dave rama ha yes and he and i and various other