I used it right there may have been veterans uh let's see I know who won like there's some people here I know one that I can't remember I know there's some grandmasters here that actually won that competition so then I learned you know you start seeing XG boost XG boost is winning everything so then you learn next G pose now uh deep learning I was sure that deep learning was a hype just like fuzzy logic and I avoided learning deep learning over time you know a year later I realized okay this is going to take over the world so I started