archive and you know you can start calibrating the scales by saying well random guessing would get you you know log two of you know one over 256 so eight bits per character and human estimates from not the best studies but the only ones we've got I've kind of tried to peg on people in the range of like zero point six to one point three bits per character and the best of the models now are often a little bit lower than one bit per character so that range probably is lower for humans and we're somewhere you know getting okay but not