get money for that okay so here is the artist and he makes a convincing picture of the Pope and the Pope likes it and gives him the money and then there is the pure creative creativity which is more like the power play and the artificial curiosity thing where you have the freedom to select your own problem like a scientist who defines his own question to study and so that is the pure creativity of UL and opposed to the applied creativity which serves another and in that distinction there's almost echoes of narrow AI