we do have trappings of, as I said, of ritual in the way that I described. Yep. Zoran. I was raised as atheist, but later discovered that really my family believed in scientism. Like, science has an answer to everything. It's a form of religion, I think for some people. Personally, I have practiced meditation for over 35 years and I'm mostly interested in this mystical unitary states are known to us as the consciousness where people experience both unitary consciousness, either alone or unitary consciousness with experience.