the approximate message passing or at least closer so that would be question related to the second point and question really and the third point is i showed you that gradient flow sometimes work even when the spruce local minima are present we showed that using the cast race approach but what about stochastic gradient descent so far i was only talking about gradient no stochastic so let's say a year ago i would have stopped here and say that you don't know the the green questions would be open but today actually i do have an answer to