without relying on the data then it will just memorize the function and ignore the data in many cases can we do gradient descent for multiple steps to get Phi in mammal yeah absolutely so you can use a variable number of gradient steps and practice we found that up to five gradients that works well but in practice you can use you can use more than that if if you find it helpful for your algorithm I it does not introduce higher order terms than a second order optimization it still remains the second order optimization if you go through if