this with learning a fixed policy you can achieve the same effects the point here is just to show that um given kind of the same size networks and so on there you that there might be there might be like a qualitative difference in certain situations again by no means this is meant to out compete rl or anything like this okay so we'll we went there now how are these rules actually learned and there we have to again make a distinction that is completely separate from the hebbian non-habian way okay so the heavy and non-habian