idea to me that seemed moderately interesting and at the end of the idea he said so Geoffrey do you think you'd like to work on that and I looked at him in an amazement and said no no I God I didn't my only need to work up um yes so he was very tolerant he was tolerant of having me as a graduate student even though he thought I was doing crazy stuff he's available to say he was charmed by your audacity or is that No we'd have arguments in the time and I kept agreeing that okay if I hadn't made it work in six months I would switch to