that a bit more theoretically not just running the gradient decent that's of course nice but that's that's not just satisfactory so we take lessons from the spiked two plus piece per mole that i showed you and we kind of ask ours okay could it be could it be happening similarly as there could it be that the gradient flow first goes to the threshold states and then what matters is a kind of bvp-like transition of the hessian of these threshold states that drives the success versus failure and we just test this numerically