where these different supervised learning algorithms so no feature learning yourself or learning pursue these supervised learning algorithms and they used to be all these debates about you know is this your album better is my album better so um michelle banko and eric bro did one of the studies that most influenced my thinking where they took maybe four of the state of the art learning algorithms of the day I guess back in 2001 azn's were not yet popular so didn't actually study SVM's but they took a natural