academic job now we're almost at the end and the whole point of this interview is really the origins of your of your thinking so that's not a problem but I I wonder if we can get toward the end a kind of description of the academic environment in the American University and the the sort of strategies that you encountered at that point when you went to San Diego so it's a big contrast that in Britain the academic establishment in a I was monolithic there was sort of the correct view yes and there wasn't room for multiple camps ah and in America at