always be about text and belief. So I think that that helps us understand this question a little bit. The idea ... I think about what Martin Buber wrote, coming from the tradition of Judaism, when he wrote that all of real life is encounter. There's something that's particularly transporting about sharing encounters of transcendence and I really feel it has something to do with the persistence that we see. But clearly, when we talk about the spirituality instinct, that's a very fraught term because of the secularization that's happening in the world.