But he said, "When it comes to understanding the fundamental laws and the particles and all that detail about how the world actually works," he said, "We need to look to science." So it was a kind of remarkable moment where this great spiritual leader showed this remarkable and broad embrace of science. At the same time there are great scientists who show a similar embrace of religious thought. Here's Nobel Laureate, William Phillips. The point is that there are plenty of scientists who see no difficulty in being serious about