a completely different picture it was a very different picture I mean there's still interesting questions I mean the open questions around it but the picture is very different see I thought it was very careful not to say that I'm not trying a equals not hmm oh so yeah I mean even at the undergrad automata Theory level like when I teach them my hole in the road theorem I say well this means that for every language either it's got a fire automaton it's regular or there's this weird infinite object called distinguishing set and