think about how we build knowledge representation knowledge place well we have to use graph searches searches right and like first-order logic and entailment and things like that a thing yeah exactly in my particular line of work which has mostly been machine learning security and and also generative modeling I haven't usually found myself moving in that direction for generative models I could see a little bit of it could be useful if you had something like a differentiable knowledge base or some other kind of knowledge base where it's