first published about rock crop but he doesn't say he invented it what I've claimed is that I was the person to clearly demonstrate that back prop could learn interesting in turn represent and that that this is what made it popular right so this goes into into the direction schmidhuber is very much on academic contributions idea was there before and hint and basically says no what we did is kind of we showed that it works in this particular way and we can have got people excited about it I did is by forcing that blah blah blah and it