you are opening the space of possible learning algorithms to the learning system itself right so you've like in this 2004 paper you described get all machines and programs that we write themselves yeah right philosophically and even in your paper mathematically these are really compelling ideas but practically do you see these self referential programs being successful in the near term to having an impact where sort of a demonstrates to the world that this direction is a is a good one to pursue in the near term yes we had these