took place down in Texas and I had an opportunity to ask him a question. The question is asked was, I said, "Look, there are all these books out there that make the case that what we're doing in modern physics is somehow a recapitulation or a reflection of ideas that ultimately find their origin in eastern religious thought." So I asked him, "Is this true? Is this your perspective?" And he very forthrightly said, he said, "Look, when it comes to questions of consciousness, that's where we have something to offer science."