that point and I think we're I think we're out of time unfortunate this or that feature of object this is the kind of work you did in your thesis and your adviser certainly you know should not fire at all if it's correctly representing this thing and so I'm trying to picture how the same room can be both representing something and they're not representing something and and the question is maybe the answer is in that your last picture when you said so on the first pass to reader model basically the representational kind of