as individuals and they solve their problems as a group and they manage to do that without God. And chimpanzees manage to do this without God. So, I think that in addition to the problems that Steven pointed out with social cohesion arguments, that they're thrown out constantly that we can just look at the natural world and we can see that there are so many different pathways for this. If we only look at our species and we don't take this comparative approach. We're not going to get answers to these questions.