bounds sometimes now this is one of those ideas that depending on who you talk to is either complete heresy or they thought of it already okay so that means it's a good idea from from my from my informal judgment okay so yeah so it's a so it but it's sort of provocative so it's very provocative actually because if because lower bound designer doesn't have it as hard as the album designer okay so somehow the design event certain algorithms is going to actually give you lower bounds so maybe the our designer doesn't have