bit of a cheap shot right clearly honda if they're not saying it would have been you know physically him possible without his contributions its but certainly Hinton has has if even if he hadn't invented any of those things he certainly has created like a spark and his these things created a splash got people excited people thinking about new ways of applying things even you know if this is all true so right and but but I would like you to I'd like you to notice this is a critique of what Honda says about Hinton and if I read