for example the the paper I really like which one test of time and we're at knits last year by um Bruce K and Mbutu right has this has this thing saying that you shouldn't train you shouldn't run an SGD too long because at some point all of these terms should be one over square root of n but we know that's not really true right I mean just because this is whatever squared event doesn't mean this one is one over square root of n and just cuz this is zero doesn't mean this one's small so you know we it's useful it's a useful way of