that I'd be on the main stage I think we have maybe time for one more question oh yes yes then little stars our afternoon break so we have like three after four minutes do you have any other questions [Music] yeah yeah that so if I understand your question is how do we help those who maybe are discouraged along the path yeah that's that's a hard question of you know so I I came to cattle with a PhD in chemical engineering in a good career and I remember the sense of being very intimidated to ask anything on the