will this cannot happen just by studying the landscape that it really what matters is you know even the initialization so what matters is the whole trajectory that the algorithm is taking so we want to understand the trajectory and these non-convex high dimensional problems and just two points to make to set the talk you know in practice the number of samples is limited so i don't want to be working in some limit where the number of samples is is unreasonably large and also constants do matter so i don't want to be talking