an interesting by-product you think it's a useful by-product what are your thoughts on consciousness in general or is it simply a byproduct of greater and greater capabilities of problem-solving that's that's similar to creativity in that sense yeah we never have a procedure called consciousness in our machines however we get as side effects of what these machines are doing things that seem to be closely related to what people call consciousness so for example in 1990 we had simple systems which were basically recurrent networks and