can understand so this is my take on this issue it's kind of both or correct and they just kind of talk past each other and schmidhuber is always on the the idea existed before and Hinton is correct when he says it's not always just about the idea progress is also made by people being excited people actually getting something to work people you know doing something at the right time in the right place which is also correct but it is fun it is fun so so I just I enjoyed I enjoy this honestly like because ultimately this is