related question but yep the main point here is that this is like this is just purely a feature like a property of scaling and it's kind of a purely feature independent property and so I think there are a whole bunch of open questions here especially related to this kind of scaling part so specifically is there sort of maybe some scaling rule that explains this convergence speed up we looked at this a little bit but sort of not extensively and there are differences but I think it seems like it should be possible to