oh I think I can always do this I take your architecture I just make a tiny one if you believe there's one in a very small architecture I start augmenting neurons in some useless way so it will look like a standard architecture but maybe the parameters will be in a weird configuration at least I can make a satellite high order satellite okay so global geometry probably not very good local geometry very good there is a global minima and gradient descent converges to it so we're kind of happy and then oh you think about it a little