schmidhuber of course being Schmidt who replies again down here he has a a response to the reply and I don't expect Hinton to reply again so I waited for a bit but but I I believe him when he says he does it only once so he goes into this summary the facts presented in sections 1 2 3 4 5 are still valid so he goes what kind of statement by statements is having a public debate blah blah blah and he says this is an ad hominem attack which is true right this is true and he says he even has multiple aliases in Wikipedia