these are networks that model the temporal aspects in the data temporal patterns in the data and you've called them the deepest of the Newell networks right so what do you think is the value of depth in the models that we use to learn since you mentioned the long short-term memory and the lsdm I have to mention the names of the brilliant students of course that's worse first of all and my first student ever set for writer who had fundamental insights already in this diploma thesis then Felix Kias had additional important contributions Alex