  forever and counting is the second full-length album by hot water music. it was released by doghouse records in 1997, reissued in 2008 by no idea records, and later purchased and re-released in 2012 by rise records. for 'forever and counting', the band had to have a short lived name change to 'the hot water music band'. this was due to a rival label, elektra records claiming they owned the rights to the name hot water music, due to another band with the same name on the label. the elektra band broke up after the release of the album and hot water music continued to produce records under their original name. ==track listing== #"translocation" â 3:21 #"better sense" â 3:12 #"just don't say you lost it" â 3:10 #"position" â 3:56 #"rest assured" â 4:07 #"manual" â 5:08 #"minno" â 3:53 #"three summers strong" â 4:13 #"man the change" â 2:33 #"western grace" â 4:17 ==references==  
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