Crown Estate Transfer Scheme 2017 — House of Lords, 2017-03-23
Topic: Government Operations
Charles Hay (Crossbench, Unknown): My Lords, I thank the Minister for her usual eloquence in explaining the transfer scheme. However, I ask her for help on a number of matters in relation to the scheme. I should say that I am not in any way wanting to object to the devolution contained in the Scotland Act 2016, of which this forms a part and which was the statutory embodiment of the Smith commission agreement of November 2014. I emphatically feel, however, that where these precious assets are concerned, we must be very careful to go no further than the Smith commission agreement, especially in relation to their status The framework document between the Treasury and the Crown Estate puts the status of these assets well. It is, "a trust estate, independent of government and the Monarch" These assets are not therefore available for political uses. The first issue I will ask the Minister about is that of the onwards devolution which she spoke about a moment ago. Paragraph 33 of the Smith commission agreement saw this onward devolution going to named local authorities and to other authorities that ask. We debated this at length. As the Minister pointed out, the noble Lord, Lord Dunlop, made a ministerial undertaking in respect of the report six months after the transfer. In making the commitment, he also said that the UK Government would continue to press the Scottish Government on this issue. Can the Minister can update us on what progress has been made on that issue The Crown Estate is governed by the Crown Estate Act 1961, which sets out the duties and powers of the Crown Estate Commissioners and the general environment under which the assets are held. In her remarks, the Minister went some way towards this, but can she confirm that these provisions remain fully in force, now and in the future, over the Scottish assets that are transferring and the only real change is in the people and institutions who will be involved in the management of those assets? The Treasury and the Crown Estate have a framework document, which I have already referred to. It is four pages of common sense in plain English. It contains two further important phrases: "The Crown Estate ... is not an instrument of government policy", and, when referring to ministerial direction: "A direction may be given only within The Crown Estate’s statutory duties" Can the Minister tell us whether a similar framework document is ready for 1 April in Scotland, given its importance in underlining the independence of the Crown Estate commissioners and providing clarity Lastly, I turn to the Scottish Government’s Crown Estate consultation document. The noble Baroness referred to the consultation, which started in January and finishes on 29 March. The document is 70 pages and contains, early on, a "Way forward" statement which says: "The Scottish Ministers intend to introduce legislation which puts in place a new legislative framework for management of Crown Estate assets in Scotland"— then, the part I emphasise— "that ensures … alignment with Scottish policy objectives" Later on, it says: "After the transfer, the Scottish Parliament will have the power to legislate on the new framework for managing Crown Estate assets in Scotland" Then there is the part that I would emphasise: "This will include the ability to depart from the Crown Estate Act 1961" Could the Minister comment on those two assertions as well?