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ุญุณู†ู‹ุง ู„ุฏูŠ ูˆุงุญุฏ. ู„ุฏูŠ ูˆุงุญุฏ.
so I have one. I have one.
ุชุญุฏุซุชูŽ ุนู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุณุงู…ุจ.
you talked about it Samb.
ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ู‚ุชุฏูŠ ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู‘ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
but the leader we often emulate is the one who empowers people.
ุฅู†ูƒ ุงุณุชุฎุฏู…ุช ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ูƒู„ู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุฐุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู…ูƒู‘ู† ุงู„ู…ู†ู‚ุงุฏูŠู†.
you used those very words empowering the led.
ู„ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฑุฃูŠู†ุง ุบุงู„ุจู‹ุง ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุจู…ุฑูˆุฑ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ูŠู†ุฌุฑููˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฑุจู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ู„ู„ุณูŠุทุฑุฉ.
but we often seen leaders over time sort of slide in to a view that may be they need a control.
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุจุฃู†ู‡ู… ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ู„ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ู„ู„ุณูŠุทุฑุฉ.
and then the view that they need to use force to control.
ูˆู‚ุฏ ุตุงุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุงู†ุฌุฑุงู ู„ู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ุบุงู„ุจุง ูˆุตุงุฏ ุฏูˆู„ุงู‹ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
and that drift to force has often hunted Africa and hunted other countries of the world.
ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ูุนู„ู‡ ู„ู„ุญูุงุธ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุงู†ุฒู„ุงู‚ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ุทูŠูุŸ
what is that we do to keep leaders from sliding over to that side of the spectrum?
ูˆู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุชุฌุฑุจุชูƒู…ุŸ
and what is your experience?
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ู‡ุฐุง ุณุคุงู„ ู…ู…ุชุงุฒ ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑ.
that is an excellent question because I think that is what the big challenge.
ู„ูƒู† ุงุณู…ุญูˆุง ู„ูŠ ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ุฃุฑุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุฉ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ุงู„ุฌุฐุฑูŠ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹.
but allow me before I respond to that to discuss a little bit the root cause.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุชุงู† ู„ุญู„ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุงุช.
because for me, there is two ways of solving problems.
ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุฏุฑูƒ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ูˆุณูˆู ุฃุชูˆุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญู„ ุชูˆู‹ุง.
the first one is I realize the problem and I am just going come up with the solution.
ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉุŒ ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุณุจุจ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
the second one is there is the problem, what caused the problem.
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุฐู‡ุจูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ุงู„ุฌุฐุฑูŠ ู„ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุนุซูˆุฑ ุนู„ูŠู‡.
and then you go to the root cause to try and find it.
ุชู†ุงูˆู„ุงู‹ ู„ุณุคุงู„ูƒุŒ ุฏุนู†ุง ู†ุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ูŠู†ุดุฆ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
addressing your question, let's go back to what creates the problem.
ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ูŠูู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู„ุง ุชุชุนู„ู‚ ุจูƒุŒ ุณุชุชุนู„ู….
anybody who really understands that things are not about you, you will learn.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ูˆุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุงุน ู‡ู…ุง ุฃูุถู„ ู†ูˆุนูŠุชูŠู† ู„ู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ.
I think learning and listening is the two best quality of a leader.
ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ุชูู‡ู… ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ู….
because by learning you understand.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูุฅู† ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฐูƒุฑุชู‡ู… ูˆูƒู†ุช ุชุชุญุฏุซ ุนู†ู‡ู….
so, those leaders that you mentioned and you were talking about.
ุฅู…ุง ุฃู†ู‡ู… ู„ุง ูŠุณุชู…ุนูˆู† ุฃูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ู„ู… ูŠุชุนู„ู…ูˆุง.
either they do not listen or they did not learn.
ูˆููŠ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุงุŒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุงุŒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ุฃู† ุชุชุนู„ู… ูˆุชุชุนู„ู… ูˆุชูุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชุนู„ู….
and in life you always, always, always have to learn and learn and relearn.
ู…ุง ุฃุนู†ูŠู‡ ุจุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ู…ุง ุชุนุฑูู‡ ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุถุฑูˆุฑุฉ .
what I mean by that is what you know is not necessarily .
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฅุบูุงู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
so at some point you have to unlearn that.
ุงู„ุชุฎู„ุต ู…ู…ุง ุชุนุฑูู‡.
get rid of what you know.
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุฃู† ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ู…ุง ุฌุงุก ุจุฃููƒุงุฑ ุฃูุถู„.
and then you get to the point that somebody came up with better ideas.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ูˆู‚ุจูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
so you have to relearn that and accept that.
ู…ุน ู‚ุงุฏุชู†ุง ุงู„ุฃูุงุฑู‚ุฉุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ูƒู„ู‡ู…
with our african leaders, not all of them
ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู…ุนุธู…ู‡ู… ูƒู…ุง ุชู‚ูˆู„ ุฃู†ุช ุชู„ูƒ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
but I will say most of them like you say that is the problem.
ุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ู„ูŠุณ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚.
learning is not there at all.
ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู† ุฅู†ุณุงู†ุŒ ูˆู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ู…ุดุงุนุฑ.
because human being is a human being, we all have feelings.
ุจู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุจุฏุก ุณู…ุงุน ู…ุง ูŠู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
once you start hearing what people are saying.
ูˆู…ุง ุชูุนู„ู‡ ู„ู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน.
and what you are doing to the community.
ุฃูˆ ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุชูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู„ู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน.
or what your actions are in doing to the community.
ุณุชุณุชู…ุน ูˆุณุชุชุฎุฐ ุฅุฌุฑุงุกุงุช.
you will listen and you will take action.
ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุชุตู„ูŠู† ุจุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน.
but I think to get to the point that they are disconnected to reality.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูƒูŠู ู†ุญุชูุธ ุจู‡ู… ู…ุชุตู„ูŠู† ุจู…ุง ูŠูุนู„ู‡ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน.
so, how do we keep them connected to what the community is doing.
ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠ.
that is the main question.
ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุก ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠู‡ู… ุฃู†ูุณู‡ู… ูƒู‚ุงุฏุฉ ูุนู„ู‡
then there is something that themselves as leaders have to do
ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ู‡ู… ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
but also people around them, people.
ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆู† ุญูˆู„ ู‚ุงุฏุชู†ุง ูˆูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฃูุงุฑู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชุญู„ูŠ ุจุงู„ุดุฌุงุนุฉ.
who are around our leaders and african leaders have to have the courage.
ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุดุฌุงุนุฉ ู…ู‡ุงุฑุฉ ู„ู„ุฅุฎุจุงุฑ ุจู‡ุฐุง.
because courage is a skill to tell this .
"ุฃู†ุช ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠุŒ ุฃู†ุช ู‚ุงุฆุฏูŠุŒ ุฃู†ุช ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠ ุงู„ุชู†ููŠุฐูŠุŒ ู…ุง ุชูุนู„ู‡ ุฎุทุฃ"
"you are my president, you are my boss, you are my CEO, what you are doing is wrong"
ูˆุฃู„ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ุฎุงุฆูู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ูุตู„ ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ุชุฏุงุนูŠุงุช.
and to not be afraid of being fired or any repercussion.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ู†ูุชู‚ุฏู‡.
but that is what we are missing.
ู‚ุงุฏุชู†ุง ู‡ู… ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ู‡ู… ูŠุจุญุซูˆู† ูู‚ุท ุนู† ุฃู†ูุณู‡ู….
our leaders are but people around them are just looking for themselves.
ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูุฅู†ู‡ู… ู„ุง ูŠุฎุจุฑูˆู†ู‡ู….
how to get to the next level, so they do not tell them.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง .
so that is .
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุขู† ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ูˆุฃูŠุฏู ููŠ ุงู„ู‡ูˆุงุก.
now we have questions and hands in the air .
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู„ุฃุฎุฐ 1ุŒ ูˆ2ุŒ ูˆ3.
we have time to take 1, 2, and 3.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู‡ู†ุง ูˆุณู†ู†ุชู‚ู„ ู‡ู†ุง ุซู… ู‡ู†ุง.
so, let's start here and we will move over here and then over here.
ุณุงู…ุจุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง
Samb, I really
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ู‚ุงุฏู….
there is a microphone coming.
ู†ุญู† ุฐุงู‡ุจูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰. ุฅู†ู‡ ุฎู„ููƒ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ. ู‡ุง ู‡ูˆ.
we are going to a . it is right behind you. here it is.
ู†ุนู…. ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ุณุงู…ุจุŒ ุฃุญุจุจุช ุญุฏูŠุซูƒ ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
yea. Mr. Samb, really I loved your talk.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฑุงุฆุน ุญู‚ู‹ุง ู„ุง ุณูŠู…ุง ุนู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ.
I think it is really wonderful especially about leadership.
ูˆุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ู„ุฏูŠ ู„ู‡ ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ุจุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
and the question I have has to do with the fact.
ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุณู…ุน ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ุนู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ููŠ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง
that we hear a lot about leadership in Africa
ูˆุฃุชุณุงุกู„ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃูˆ ุจุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุฃุฎุฐ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚.
and somehow I am wondering if we are not taking leadership out of context.
ุฃูˆู„ุงู‹ุŒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุขู† ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ.
one, , , the leadership we have now is real.
ุฅู†ู‡ู… ู…ุชุตู„ูˆู†ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ู… ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง.
they are not disconnected, they are part of the reality of Africa.
ุฅู†ู‡ู… ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠูˆู†. ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆุถุน ุจุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุŒ ูˆุชุงุฑูŠุฎูŠุŒ ูˆู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ูˆู„ู‡ ุฏูŠู†ุงู…ูŠูƒูŠุฉ.
they are real. that whole situation is real, is historical, is present and has a dynamic.
ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠุฑูƒุฒ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚ุŸ
why is that it that people focus on leader outside of context?
ุฅุฐุง ูู‡ู…ุช ุณุคุงู„ูƒ.
if I understand your question.
ู†ุนู….
yes.
ุฅู†ูƒ ุชุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุชุณุฃู„ ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู†ุฑูƒุฒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุงุŸ
you are trying to ask why we are focusing on leadership outside of Africa?
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚.
outside of context.
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚.
outside of context.
ุจู…ุนู†ู‰ุŸ
meaning?
ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุณู…ุนู‡ุง ุฏูˆู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ู„ู‚ุฏ ุณู…ุนู†ุงู‡ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆูƒุงู„ุงุช
people, we hear it internationally, we have heard it from agencies
ู„ู‚ุฏ ุณู…ุนู†ุงู‡ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชุดุงุฑูŠู†.
we have heard it from advisors.
ูˆุณู…ุนู†ุงู‡ุง ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
and we have heard it from all different .
ุชูุชู‚ุฑ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ.
Africa lacks leadership.
ู„ูƒู† ุณุคุงู„ูŠ ู‡ูˆุŒ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู„ูƒ ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚. ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŸ
but my question is, can you have leadership outside of context. okay?
ุฏุนู†ุง ู†ุถุนู‡ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉุ› ู‡ู„ ู…ุงู†ุฏูŠู„ุง ู†ุชุงุฌ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ุฃู… ู„ุงุŸ
lets put it this way; is Mandela a product of Africa or not?
ุชุฑู‰ุŒ ู‡ู„ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุฑุชุจุทุŸ
you see, is he related?
ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ู…ุงู†ุฏูŠู„ุง.
can we talk about Mandela.
ุฎุงุฑุฌ ุณูŠุงู‚ ุฌู†ูˆุจ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ู…ู† .
outside of the context of South Africa of .
ุญุณู†ู‹ุง.
okay.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฑุฏู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุณุคุงู„ูƒุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
so, to respond to your question, that is what I was saying everything.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุชุนู…ูŠู… ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
you cannot generalize everything.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒู…ุง ู‚ู„ุช ุณุงุจู‚ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุง ุฃุทู„ู‚ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ูุงุจุณ.
because like I said earlier, we have what do I call the VABS.
ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุงูุชุฑุงุถุŒ ูˆุงู„ุงุนุชู‚ุงุฏ ูˆุงู„ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุช.
which is the values, assumption, believe and expectations.
ูˆู‡ู… ู…ุฎุชู„ููˆู† ู…ู† ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
and they are different from country to country.
ูˆุฅุฐุง ุชุฐูƒุฑุช ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉุŒ ุฐูƒุฑุชู ุฐู„ูƒ.
and if you remember at the beginning, I mentioned it.
ู†ุญู† ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑ ู†ุณู…ุฉ ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง.
we are almost billion people.
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง 2000 ู„ุบุฉุŒ ูˆู†ุญู† 45 ุฏูˆู„ุฉ.
we have 2000 languages and we are 45 countries.
ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุชุญุฏูŠ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุฏูˆู„ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉ.
what is the challenge of having the united states of Africa.
ุฅู†ู‡ ุจุณุจุจ ุงู„ุชู†ูˆุน.
it is because the diversity.
ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‚ูˆุฉ ู„ูƒู†ู‡ ุถุนู ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
which is a strength but also it is a weakness.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุชูู‚ ู…ุนูƒ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
so, I totally agree with you.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ุชู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ููŠ ุฌู†ูˆุจ ุฃูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุง ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุดูŠุก ู†ูุณู‡.
you cannot just say that the leadership in South Africa should be the same thing.
ู…ุน ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ู…ุงู†ุฏูŠู„ุง ุฅูุฑูŠู‚ูŠ ู„ูƒู† ุฅุฐุง ู†ุธุฑุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู†ุทู„ู‚ ุนู„ูŠู‡ู… ู‚ุงุฏุฉ.
however, Mandela is african but if you look at the people that we call leaders.
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ู†ุญู† ู†ู‚ุฏุฑ ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ ุจุฏุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ู…ุงู†ุฏูŠู„ุงุŒ ุจุฏุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฏุงู„ุงูŠ ู„ุงู…ุง.
and then we really value, starting with Mandela, starting with Dalai Lama.
ุจุฏุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุบุงู†ุฏูŠุŒ ุจุฏุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู… ุชุฑูŠุฒุง ูˆุขุฎุฑูŠู† ูˆุขุฎุฑูŠู†.
starting with Gandhi, starting with mother Teresa and others and others.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุนุทูŠูƒ ูู‚ุท ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ู€ 4.
so, I am just giving you those 4.
ู…ุง ุงู„ู‚ุงุณู… ุงู„ู…ุดุชุฑูƒ ุจูŠู†ู‡ู…ุŸ
what do they have in common?
ู…ุง ุงู„ู‚ุงุณู… ุงู„ู…ุดุชุฑูƒ ุจูŠู†ู‡ู…ุŸ ุดูŠุก ูˆุงุญุฏ.
what do they have in common? one thing.
ุฅู†ู‡ู… ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุฎู„ูŠ ุนู† ู‚ูŠู…ุชู‡ู… ุงู„ุฑุฃุณู…ุงู„ูŠุฉ ูˆุฃู†ุช ุชุนุฑู ู…ุง ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
they were able to give up their capitalistic value and you know what I mean by that.