If you are looking for a "gem in the rough", look no further. The place is exactly as described in the listing, a secluded, quiet, retreat that is technically still withing the LA city limits. The listing was 100% spot on, no surprises. I will say, depending on the time of the year, it can get cold in the canyon, so be sure to have a sweatshirt and some pants if you wish to sit outside at night.