Forum: travel.stackexchange.com
Tags: <air-travel><airlines><seating><premium-services>
Title: Can you sneak into Premium Economy Class?
Question: People ask whether they can sneak into business or first, it's virtually impossible.  But what about sneaking into Premium Economy Class?  What if I stand at the end of the boarding line, and just sit in an empty Premium seat (that I know is empty because everyone else boarded)? If they ask for boarding pass, I'll just say I threw it out after passing gate.  They don't keep a name-list or seat-list Premium Economy right?

Answers:
sents: text: Airlines certainly keep a passenger manifest ( it looks something like this ) that lists everyone on board and where they are supposed to be seated.
text: These are either paper printouts or viewed on handheld devices carried by the cabin crew.
text: They will not be fooled by your claim that you threw out your boarding pass.
text: And they know you have ID with you, so they can always find out where you're supposed to be based on your name.
text: On some airlines, such as American , the crew is instructed to verify that passengers haven't upgraded themselves to premium economy by checking the manifest.
text: They'd see that you're sitting in a seat that's supposed to be unoccupied.
text: Some airlines may even allow you to purchase the seat on-board.
text: It may be possible on some airlines if enforcement isn't strict, but if the seat comes with more than just extra legroom (food, drinks, etc...), it's even more likely that you'll be caught.
text: You could also find that the seat isn't really empty, as others may still board after you even if you're at the end of the boarding line, including standby passengers.
text: You'll be asked for your boarding pass if someone else shows up to claim their seat.
text: With industry-wide load factors at high levels, there's a good chance that seat may belong to someone else, and you won't know until the aircraft door is closed.
answer_details: author: travel.stackexchange.com/users/13650/Zach Lipton
score: 83
sents: text: I've been contracting for a major Australian airline.
text: I've seen the app the crew uses.
text: It has a manifest of every passenger in every class, names and notes.
text: They most certainly know which seats are supposed to be empty, sorry ;) (also it might cause a note to go against your name once they spot you)
answer_details: author: travel.stackexchange.com/users/101/Mark Mayo
score: 51
sents: text: It may be possible if your are lucky, but don't count on it.
text: As already answered by Zach, airlines very well do know who should sit where.
text: The question is if they always check, and in which detail.
text: Case in point: A budget airline I travelled with recently has different "classes" even within economy.
text: Specifically, bringing checked baggage and getting a snack are extra.
text: We booked late and got seats in different rows.
text: After boarding was complete, I noticed the seat next to my wife was empty, so apparently the person who had booked it didn't show up.
text: I changed to there in order to sit next to my partner.
text: 20 minutes later, stewardesses go through the cabin with a paper and hand out snacks to selected passengers.
text: We booked without (weekend trip, hand luggage was enough), but I received a snack, most likely because I was sitting in a seat that had booked the higher package.
text: They didn't check boarding passes or anything, just seat numbers.
text: So if you manage to sneak into a seat that was book but ends up empty
text: , you may have a reasonable chance of not being noticed.
text: The crew will see the seat is booked, see that someone is sitting there, and if the gender matches, will probably not question you.
answer_details: author: travel.stackexchange.com/users/13671/Tom
score: 12
sents: text: They don't keep a name-list or seat-list Premium Economy
text: right?
text: Wrong.
text: It's worth watching what the cabin staff does and talks about during the boarding and take-off preparation.
text: One of the things that you can't overlook when you sit in front of a (smaller) plane is passing the passenger manifest by the ground staff to the on-board crew.
text: This is pre-requisite to complete boarding.
text: It might be handled through apps in some airlines these days but it has to be passed and confirmed for the plane to close its doors.
text: Then the crew discuss what kind of "special" passengers do they have and how many of them .
text: Usually premium is handled by a different part of a crew, so they'll be fully aware which seats should be empty.
text: I remember overhearing a discussion like "we have two infants, 5 premium and 3 business on-board today" when I was sitting in the back of a plane.
text: Finally, the premium economy usually has some kind of complimentary meals even on a short-haul flights.
text: On long-haul the meal offered is of a better kind than that served in Economy.
text: Those are also carefully counted so it will be obvious that something is wrong.
text: I have also personally witnessed once a person to be pushed from a premium to economy seat
text: (she was evidently trying to "upgrade" her flight the way you describe)
text: and once a person being requested to get back to theirs seat within Economy.
text: So apparently crews are cautious about such things.
text: All the flights I'm referring here happened within Europe, on-board of different airlines though.
answer_details: author: travel.stackexchange.com/users/76453/Ister
score: 12
sents: text: Several years ago on United, I asked a flight attendant if I could move from my full row to the empty middle row behind me.
text: Apologetically, she said the crew tries to keep that row for themselves, but I could move forward to a less-full row (she specified which one).
text: It was only after I was seated in that new row that I realized it was a minor upgrade.
text: A different flight attendant "caught" me in the row, made me move out of it, and was rather nasty to me for the rest of the flight.
answer_details: author: travel.stackexchange.com/users/43991/G. Ann - SonarSource Team
score: 6

Summary of the answers:
Airlines keep a passenger manifest that will show where you should be seated as well as any seats that should be empty. Usually premium will be handled by a different crew member, who will know that you have ID on you and will not be fooled by your claim that you threw out your boarding pass.
Flight attendants will not be fooled by your attempt to sit where you shouldn't as they have a manifest or app that allows them to check peoples names and seats. It also tells them, which seats are unoccupied so you will not be able to take an empty seat. They do not require your boarding pass to find out where you should be seated they just need ID.