Forum: outdoors.stackexchange.com
Tags: <rock-climbing><climbing><ropes><rope-management>
Title: How to safely mark a rope
Question: I was reading  this question  and the first thing that popped into my head is  what do you use to mark the middle of the rope?  I was taught not to use any kind of marker on the rope (because there's no sure way to know it wont be abrasive).  Are there safe ways to mark a rope?   Related:  Safe Way to Mark a Carabiner .

Answers:
sents: text: You can buy specialist markers .
text: They're designed to not impact the rope strength.
text: Always use a specially designed rope marker as there is a comprehensive list of things to keep away from your rope and marker pen is one of them .
text: The solvents can break down the nylon rope fibres making your rope potentially unsafe.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/None/
score: 15
sents: text: No matter what, try not to use the spray-paints at all.
text: Considering that fact that most of the spraypaint and allied products contain solvents/chemicals like CCl4, Acetone, Methyl ethyl ketone, Ethylbenzene, Butoxyethanol and Xylene, etc.
text: If I were you, I would not use it on my ropes for that matter.
text: Dedicated Rope Markers
text: : Spend some bucks and get a rope marker which is specifically engineered for this purpose.
text: Worst case you might use the dental floss by simply stitching it into the sheath.
text: All you have to do is get a sewing needle with dental floss.
text: Thread/Sew/Work the dental floss around the middle of the rope, making sure that its through the rope's sheath and not through the core.
text: Repeat the same till you find the mark large enough to spot.
text: But this is advised only if you know how to do it, else you will end up killing the strength of the rope by tampering it's core.
text: Guidance highly recommended.
text: Marking the rope with a tape
text: : I have seen some climbers, typically beginners that they use a Duct-tape or electrical tape and wrap it around the point where you want mark it.
text: This works fine for an event/session or so, but as after a few passes through descenders and carabiners and other equipment, the tape goes.
text: But this works for a day or two.
text: And, I personally that it should to be removed when you are done for the day as you never know how does the adhesive in the electrical or duct-tape react over longer times.
text: Having said the above, one should also consider that the tape can come loose over the time and use and obviously shift its position.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/2303/WedaPashi
score: 10
sents: text: I used fishermans thread, the sort used to bind the guide loops to the rod, as a whipping around the approriate point.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/3837/Philip Oakley
score: 5
sents: text: BlueWater Ropes says : Marking pens are fine to use on ropes as long as they are water based laundry markers.
text: Years ago solvent based markers were the norm.
text: Some of the solvents used in these old pens could reduce the strength of the sheath strands marked.
text: These days most pens are water based so this is not as much of an issue as in years passed.
text: We recommend a Sharpie “rub a dub” laundry marking pen .
text: UIAA says : Tests done by the UIAA Safety Commission and some rope manufacturers have shown that marking ropes with liquids such as those provided by felt-tipped pens can damage them; even with those markers, sold specifically for marking ropes.
text: The test results have shown a decrease of up to 50% of the rope strength, more correctly: of the energy absorption capacity of the rope (expressed by the number of falls in the standard test method in accordance with the UIAA Standard101).
text: Therefore the UIAA Safety Commission warns against marking a rope with any substance that has not been specifically approved by the rope manufacturer of that rope.
text: Black Diamond thinks it's not likely to cause any harm , though they didn't make ropes at the time:
text: so I had my crack crew of engineers grab a few cords, mark them up with a Sharpie, and pull them in the tensile tester.
text: As expected, the ropes always broke at the knot—the Sharpie's middle mark seemingly having no effect on the strength of the cord during this test. ...
text: I don't think Sharpies or any other permanent markers have really been proven to actually damage nylon—short-term or long-term.
text: However, I can't recommend them for use on rope either because the manufacturers will not and cannot guarantee that the marker will always be free of possibly harmful chemical ingredients.
text: In other words, they can change the formula on a whim and none of us would be the wiser.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/6596/endolith
score: 3
sents: text: The German Alpine Club (DAV) tested several permanent marker pen inks (Edding 3000, Retract 11 and Staedtler Lumocolor) and found no reduction in rope strength in static tests.
text: So I would feel pretty safe in using one of them, despite the fact that they are not specifically sold as "rope markers".
text: Roughly translated from German : It makes sense to mark the middle of the ropes.
text: Many rappelling and lowering accidents might habe been prevented by this.
text: Marking the middle with tape makes little sense as the tape is not very durable and might slip.
text: Additionaly, it might get stuck on the prussik when rappelling.
text: Using the inks Edding 3000, Retract 11 and Staedtler Lumocolor, no relevant reduction in strength could be found in static testing.
text: They can be regarded as adequate to mark the middle of ropes.
text: Another longer Explanation for those who speak german.
text: The Edding company even promised the DAV that the name of the pen would change if the composition changed, so that the 3000 pen should be safe for the forseeable future.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/5657/anderas
score: 3
sents: text: I use a figure-eight loop.
text: Fairly easy to remove when you need to.
text: Also gives the possibility to descend on one or two ends of the rope if the middle is brought to your anchor.
text: Edit1:
text: Of course not to permanently damage your core, it is advised to regularly (eg after each trip) take out the knot.
text: This way the core gets a chance to recover.
text: Edit2
text: : I strongly advise against marking the middle of your rope with a permanent marker.
text: This for the simple reason that when you have to cut your rope, the "middle"-marking will still be there.
text: When you have multiple middle-markings it will be hard to know which one really marks the middle when you need it.
answer_details: author: outdoors.stackexchange.com/users/3721/Nick
score: 2

Summary of the answers:
A figure-eight loop or fisherman's thread can be used to mark rope. Tape is also used and specialist rope marker pens are also available.
Markers can be used and specialist ones are available. Avoid spray-painting. Tape and figure 8/fisherman's thread can be useful.