Forum: bicycles.stackexchange.com
Tags: <mountain-bike><shifter>
Title: How do experienced cyclists know which gear they are in without an optical display?
Question: Most mid to high level mountain groupsets (eg SLX and X7) have shifter options without any display as to what gear is currently active. How do riders avoid cross-chaining and other unpleasantnesses, especially when riding in the dark or on rough terrain (i.e. when they can't readily take a look at the rear cogs)?

Answers:
sents: text: All the elite riders I have encountered just know .
text: I think its part of the attention to detail necessary at that level.
text: You almost never see them looking down to check (that would be showing a weakness and giving oponents an opportunity).
text: But if you mean can the rider say which cog they are using at the front and rear?
text: then the answer is that often we can't say.
text: Usually we know by memory which front cog we are using.
text: And as I change the rear gear, I know by the different feel of the ratio whether I'm near the top, the middle, or the bottom of the cluster.
text: I very rarely try to change gears past the last one.
text: The bike knows.
text: That's enough.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/8273/andy256
score: 27
sents: text: Cadence mostly.
text: The answer to your question is in the title.
text: Experience.
text: Same way motocross riders know what gear they are in.
text: The speed of the engine vs how fast they are moving.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/22906/user22906
score: 21
sents: text: One of my bikes has no indicators and I'm less familiar with it than my other bike which has indicators and more years especially at the top.
text: But I don't find it to be a problem.
text: You don't need to know exactly which gear you're in, just enough to know (e.g)
text: that if you want to drop a gear you need to drop a chainring.
text: A combination of feel and a vague recollection of what I've done is normally enough for that.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/7309/Chris H
score: 9
sents: text: I consider myself decently experienced, having ridden for many years, and my answer is that I don't have to know.
text: The numbers aren't important to me; it's all in how it feels.
text: Whatever speed I'm going, if I want to go faster
text: and I'm pedaling without feeling like I'm doing any work, I need to shift into a higher gear.
text: If I feel like I'm expending too much energy (i.e. it's too hard to pedal), then I gear down.
text: There's not a "right" gear to be in; it's relative to my current speed and how much work I feel like doing, or, in some cases, how much torque I need.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/22935/redOctober13
score: 5
sents: text: For me noise is a good indicator of “bad” gears with cross chaining.
text: I also know from the speed when I have to change chainrings.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/19529/Michael
score: 3
sents: text: A lot of the time I don't…
text: Most of my riding is on an older touring bike with downtube shifters or a tandem with mountain bike type (the two button/lever kind) shifters.
text: So I know generally what gear the bike is in by effort and
text: like Michael says detect cross-chaining by sound.
text: With the touring bike shifter position tells me a lot about what gear I'm in
text: and I can read it by feel.
text: On the tandem I can tell the extremes by the shifter behavior (it either won't let you pull cable or won't release anymore).
text: I also have a pretty relaxed attitude towards cross-chaining.
text: I know it is "bad" and try to avoid it, but I also don't worry too much about occasionally picking the "wrong" gear combinations.
text: I usually notice them due to noise or feel and when I do I shift if I can.
text: If I can't a put a bit of money into the bike parts jar when I get home.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/19416/dlu
score: 2
sents: text: With todays 2- and 1-chainring cranksets, chain-crossing isn't a problem and with the cranksets where it may be a problem (which are rather rare in high-end groups)
text: the sound and feel are good signs of it.
text: So you don't really need to know which gear you're in.
text: And when you spend a lot of time on your bike you just start to recognise the gears by feel and are able to tell which one you're in...
text: well, +/-1 let's say.
text: I switched from Shimano Deore (with displays) to Sram X9 (without displays)
text: some 5 years ago, and never felt the need to look down and check the gears.
text: So they are not this important, just a matter of changing habbits.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/14321/Slovakov
score: 2
sents: text: Experienced riders pick the right chainring based on the terrain coming up.
text: Then all they need to know is to go up or down on the cassette as needed.
text: If you've topped or bottomed-out then that section is over, time to pick a new chainring.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/19705/Criggie
score: 1
sents: text: Use bar end shifters; you do not have to look at the paddles to feel the gear position with your hands.
text: The angle difference between index points is distinct enough, even when indexing ten gears, that you can just touch the paddle and know what gear you're in.
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/22996/bipsychlo
score: 0
sents: text: It's all cadence related.
text: No need to be a pro for that...
answer_details: author: bicycles.stackexchange.com/users/8644/WesW
score: 0

Summary of the answers:
Most experienced riders do not necessarily know which gear they are in as far as numbers are concerned. They can tell the right or wrong gear from the feel and also the noise.  From the feel of the bike, they know they need to change up or down. 
Experienced riders learn to know when to change gears based on cadence, torque and other factors and have an idea of the approximate rear gear, but do not need to know the exact gear they're using at the time. The problem of cross chaining is less serious with modern gears, and in most cases riders can simply choose their gear based on effort.