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·1· · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

·2· · · · · · · FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY

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·4· · KIMBERLEE WILLIAMS, et al.,· · :

·5· · · · · · · · · · · Plaintiffs,· :· Case No.

·6· · · · · v.· · · · · · · · · · · ·:· 11-cv-01754

·7· · BASF CATALYSTS, LLC,· · · · · ·:

·8· · · · · · · · · · · Defendants. :

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12· · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF SHEILA ELAINE WARE

13· · · · · · · · · · ·Washington, D.C.

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25· ·Reported By:· Joan V. Cain

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·1· · · · · Deposition of SHEILA ELAINE WARE, held at the

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·4· · · · · · · ·KIRKLAND & ELLIS, LLP

·5· · · · · · · ·655 Fifteenth Street, Northwest

·6· · · · · · · ·Washington, D.C.· 20005

·7· · · · · · · ·(202) 879-5000

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·9· · · · · Pursuant to Notice, before Joan V. Cain,

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11· ·District of Columbia.

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·4· · · · · ERIC S. PASTERNACK, ESQUIRE

·5· · · · · Cohen, Placitella & Roth, P.C.

·6· · · · · Two Commerce Square

·7· · · · · 2001 Market Street, Suite 2900

·8· · · · · Philadelphia, PA 19103

·9· · · · · Telephone:· (215) 567-3500

10· · · · · E-mail:· epasternack@cprlaw.com

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12· · · · · WILLIAM L. KUZMIN, ESQUIRE

13· · · · · COHEN, PLACITELLA & ROTH, P.C.

14· · · · · 127 Maple Avenue

15· · · · · Red Bank, New Jersey 07701

16· · · · · Telephone:· (732) 747-9003

17· · · · · E-mail:· wkuzmin@cprlaw.com

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·4· · · · · EUGENE F. ASSAF, P.C.

·5· · · · · PETER A. FARRELL, ESQUIRE

·6· · · · · RONALD K. ANGUAS, JR., ESQUIRE

·7· · · · · KIRKLAND & ELLIS, LLP

·8· · · · · 655 Fifteenth Street, Northwest

·9· · · · · Washington, D.C. 20005

10· · · · · Telephone:· (202) 879-5959

11· · · · · E-mail:· eugene.assaf@kirkland.com

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16· · · & REINDEL, LLP:

17· · · · · MICHAEL S. DePRINCE, ESQUIRE

18· · · · · PEPPER HAMILTON, LLP

19· · · · · 3000 Two Logan Square

20· · · · · Eighteenth and Arch Streets

21· · · · · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103-2799

22· · · · · Telephone:· (215) 981-4000

23· · · · · E-mail:· deprincem@pepperlaw.com

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·4· · · HALKET (VIA TELEPHONE):

·5· · · · · ERIC TUNIS, ESQUIRE

·6· · · · · HEROLD LAW, P.A.

·7· · · · · 25 Independence Boulevard

·8· · · · · Warren, New Jersey 07059

·9· · · · · Telephone:· (908) 647-1022

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15· · · · · MARINO, TORTORELLA & BOYLE, P.C.

16· · · · · 437 Southern Boulevard

17· · · · · Chatham, New Jersey 07928

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·3· ·EXAMINATION OF SHEILA ELAINE WARE· · · · · · · PAGE

·4· · By Mr. Assaf· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 9, 71

·5· · By Mr. Kuzmin· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 68

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15· · · · · · · · ·Dismissal of Defendant

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17· · EXHIBIT 148· Notice of Voluntary· · · · · · · ·42

18· · · · · · · · ·Dismissal of Defendant The

19· · · · · · · · ·Harshaw Chemical Company

20· · EXHIBIT 149· Transcript of the Deposition· · · 52

21· · · · · · · · ·of Donna Ware, 2/4/04

22· · EXHIBIT 150· Affidavit of Donna Ware,· · · · · 55

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24· · EXHIBIT 151· Report of Dr. Parmar,· · · · · · ·59

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·4· · EXHIBIT 152· Letter from Mr. Placitella· · · · 62

·5· · · · · · · · ·to Mr. Farrell, 4/16/08

·6· · EXHIBIT 153· List of Ware Settlements· · · · · 62

·7· · EXHIBIT 154· Memo from Mr. Austern,· · · · · · 59

·8· · · · · · · · ·President CRMC, 9/12/05

·9· · EXHIBIT 156· Defendant C.P. Hall· · · · · · · ·48

10· · · · · · · · ·Company's Responses to

11· · · · · · · · ·Plaintiffs' Master Discovery

12· · · · · · · · ·Requests to Defendants in

13· · · · · · · · ·re:· Northern Ohio

14· · · · · · · · ·Tireworker Asbestos

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16· · EXHIBIT· · · Eastern Magnesia Talc List· · · · 48

17· · 156A· · · · ·of Purchasers Listing Years

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19· · EXHIBIT 157· Defendants' Supplemental· · · · · 46

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·3· ·EXHIBIT 1· · ·Second Amended Class Action· · · · 9

·4· · · · · · · · ·Complaint, Civil Action No.

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·2· · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S

·3· · · · · · · · · · SHEILA ELAINE WARE

·4· ·having been duly sworn under penalties of perjury by

·5· ·the Notary Public, was examined and did testify as

·6· ·follows:

·7· · · ·EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT

·8· · · ·BASF CATALYSTS, LLC

·9· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

10· · · Q· · Good morning, Ms. Ware.

11· · · A· · Good morning.

12· · · Q· · Let me hand you what's been previously

13· ·marked as Defendants' Exhibit 1.· It's a copy of the

14· ·Second Amended Complaint in this case.

15· · · · · ·Do you recognize this?

16· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

17· · · Q· · Have you read this?

18· · · A· · At least parts of it.

19· · · Q· · What do you mean by at least parts of it?

20· · · A· · I have seen this.· Yes, I have been through

21· ·this.

22· · · Q· · Have you read the entire complaint,

23· ·Defendants' Exhibit 1?

24· · · A· · Yes.

25· · · Q· · And did you notice any inaccuracies in it,

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·2· ·that you know of?

·3· · · A· · Not unless this is the one that had my

·4· ·husband's name wrong.· I'll get to that page.

·5· · · · · ·No, I did not notice any inaccuracies.

·6· · · Q· · Okay.· When was the first time you read

·7· ·this complaint?

·8· · · A· · It would have been after July this year.

·9· · · Q· · July of 2017?

10· · · A· · Yeah.

11· · · Q· · And why did you read the complaint?

12· · · A· · It was sent to me, and I was just wondering

13· ·what -- what was following -- what I was filing on.

14· · · Q· · Who sent it to you?

15· · · A· · The lawyer in Pennsylvania, Jared.

16· · · Q· · Jared Placitella.

17· · · A· · Okay.· From that office.

18· · · Q· · By e-mail or --

19· · · A· · Mail.

20· · · Q· · By regular mail?

21· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

22· · · Q· · Do you have e-mail?

23· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

24· · · Q· · Okay.· Do you communicate with your lawyers

25· ·by e-mail?

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·2· · · A· · Yes.

·3· · · Q· · Have you communicated over the years with

·4· ·Mr. Bevan by e-mail?

·5· · · A· · No.

·6· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·7· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·8· · · Q· · Pardon me?

·9· · · A· · No.

10· · · Q· · Could you turn to paragraph 28 of

11· ·Defendants' Exhibit 1?

12· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Page 26?

13· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Page 26.

14· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Almost there.· Okay.

15· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

16· · · Q· · The first part of paragraph 28 reads:· On

17· ·or about May 29th, 1997, Plaintiff Ware and her

18· ·deceased husband commenced an asbestos injury

19· ·lawsuit in the Court of Common Pleas, Cuyahoga

20· ·County, against BASF's predecessors, Eastern

21· ·Magnesia and Pita Realty, naming same as defendant

22· ·in accordance with the accepted asbestos practice in

23· ·that area in view of settlement programs that

24· ·potentially responsible product manufacturers or

25· ·suppliers were negotiating or had developed; said

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·2· ·lawsuit captioned "Ralph Ware versus B.F. Goodrich

·3· ·Company, et al., Case No. 02-475504."

·4· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·5· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

·6· · · Q· · When did plaintiff -- when did Ralph Ware

·7· ·die?

·8· · · A· · December 1st, 2001.

·9· · · Q· · Okay.· In 1997, Mr. Ralph Ware was alive,

10· ·correct?

11· · · A· · Yes.

12· · · Q· · Do you know whether a lawsuit was filed on

13· ·behalf of Ralph Ware in 1997?

14· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

15· · · · · ·You can answer.

16· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I have no knowledge.

17· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

18· · · Q· · Let me show you -- keep that out.· Let me

19· ·show you what I've premarked as Defendants' Exhibit

20· ·146.

21· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 146

22· ·was marked for identification.)

23· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

24· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 146 bears Bates Nos.

25· ·BASF_WILLIAMS33081.· Do you see this document?

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·2· · · A· · Yes.

·3· · · Q· · And at the bottom of page 1, there's a name

·4· ·Ralph Ware --

·5· · · A· · Yes.

·6· · · Q· · 441 Randolph Road.· And then if you turn

·7· ·the page, it says versus Goodrich Corporation and

·8· ·others.

·9· · · · · ·Do you see that?

10· · · A· · Yes.

11· · · Q· · And this, if you turn to the back -- is

12· ·there a date on this?

13· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Off the record.

14· · · · · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.)

15· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

16· · · Q· · Ms. Ware, we'll get you a dated copy of

17· ·Defendants' Exhibit 146.· In the meantime, do you

18· ·know -- do you have any idea what the number

19· ·02-475504 relates to on paragraph 28 of Defendants'

20· ·Exhibit 1?

21· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Right there (indicating).

22· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· The lawsuit for asbestos.

23· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

24· · · Q· · Okay.· And in 1997, was Ralph Ware ill in

25· ·any way?

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·2· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·3· · · · · ·You can answer.

·4· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Not that I'm aware of.

·5· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·6· · · Q· · All right.· He hadn't had -- he hadn't --

·7· ·withdrawn.

·8· · · · · ·As of May 29th, 1997, as far as you know,

·9· ·Mr. Ralph Ware was not sick with any asbestos

10· ·disease?

11· · · A· · As far as I know.

12· · · Q· · And as of May 29th, 1997, he certainly

13· ·wasn't deceased, correct?

14· · · A· · Correct.

15· · · Q· · And as of May 29th, 1997, he had not, as

16· ·far as you know, brought an asbestos lawsuit against

17· ·any defendant?

18· · · A· · Correct.

19· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

20· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

21· · · Q· · So when you read the complaint in this

22· ·case, and you saw the sentence on paragraph 28 that

23· ·said, on May 29th, 1997 Plaintiff Ware and her

24· ·deceased husband commenced an action, did you tell

25· ·anybody that was inaccurate?

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·2· · · A· · Did not.

·3· · · Q· · Do you now realize it is inaccurate?

·4· · · A· · Mm-hmm.· Yes.

·5· · · Q· · In preparations for your deposition, did

·6· ·you notice that that paragraph was inaccurate?

·7· · · A· · Did not.

·8· · · Q· · Now, for your -- withdrawn.

·9· · · · · ·When did you learn that you were going to

10· ·be a class representative in this case?

11· · · A· · Around July of 2017.

12· · · Q· · How did you learn you would become a class

13· ·representative in this case?

14· · · A· · Phone call.

15· · · Q· · A phone call from whom?

16· · · A· · From the lawyer.

17· · · Q· · Which lawyer?

18· · · A· · Jared Placitella's office called to see --

19· ·after my husband passed.

20· · · Q· · Prior to the call from Mr. Placitella, had

21· ·you had any discussions about the Williams' class

22· ·action case?

23· · · A· · None at all.

24· · · Q· · Did you discuss it with your husband?

25· · · A· · I did not.

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·2· · · Q· · Did you know that a case existed?

·3· · · A· · Yes.

·4· · · Q· · Other than knowing a case existed, you had

·5· ·no knowledge of what was happening in the case or

·6· ·what the case was about?

·7· · · A· · Did not, only that it was ongoing and he

·8· ·was helping Aunt Donna, Donna Ware.

·9· · · Q· · Did you have any discussions with Donna

10· ·Ware about the Williams' class action case?

11· · · A· · I did not.

12· · · Q· · When Mr. Jared Placitella called you in

13· ·July of 2017, did you agree at that point to become

14· ·a class representative?

15· · · A· · Yes.

16· · · Q· · At that point, what was your understanding

17· ·of your obligations as a class representative?

18· · · A· · That I would follow through a case that

19· ·Donna Ware had already started, that I would

20· ·possibly have to go to court at some point in time,

21· ·read some paperwork, and sign.

22· · · Q· · And did you agree to do that?

23· · · A· · Yes.

24· · · Q· · From July of 2017 until today, how many

25· ·hours have you devoted to the case?

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·2· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·3· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·4· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Eight hours.· I'm just

·5· ·guessing.

·6· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·7· · · Q· · Could you tell me what you did in those

·8· ·eight hours?

·9· · · A· · Spoke with lawyers over the phone.· As I

10· ·would get things like this (indicating), I would

11· ·read them, e-mail, fax -- gather whatever

12· ·information they asked for, if I could find it in my

13· ·possession, faxed, e-mailed.

14· · · Q· · Anything else?

15· · · A· · No.

16· · · Q· · Did you talk to anybody besides your

17· ·lawyers about this case?

18· · · A· · No.

19· · · Q· · Have you ever talked to Mr. Bevan about

20· ·this case?

21· · · A· · No.

22· · · Q· · Do you know who Mr. Bevan is?

23· · · A· · No.

24· · · Q· · You don't know who he is?

25· · · A· · I know he's a lawyer.· I know he's Aunt

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·3· ·him.

·4· · · Q· · Okay.· What role, if any, do you have in

·5· ·directing this litigation?

·6· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·7· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·8· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm a spokesperson for a

·9· ·group of people.

10· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

11· · · Q· · And what do you understand your role is as

12· ·a spokesperson?

13· · · A· · To be honest.· Tell what I know.

14· · · Q· · Do you know anything about the underlying

15· ·facts in this lawsuit?

16· · · A· · Only what I've been read or given to.

17· · · Q· · So prior to reading the complaint, you had

18· ·no personal knowledge of any of the facts in this

19· ·lawsuit?

20· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

21· · · · · ·You can answer it.

22· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No.

23· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

24· · · Q· · Correct?· Is that correct?

25· · · A· · Correct.

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·2· · · Q· · And prior to reading the -- withdrawn.

·3· · · · · ·Even after you read the complaint, the

·4· ·facts that you did know, such as when Mr. Ware died,

·5· ·you didn't correct those facts in the complaint,

·6· ·fair?

·7· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·8· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Fair.

10· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

11· · · Q· · As a class representative, do you believe

12· ·that it's your duty to correct facts that you notice

13· ·are not true?

14· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

15· · · · · ·You can answer it.

16· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Should, yes.

17· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

18· · · Q· · And you did not correct --

19· · · A· · Did not.

20· · · Q· · -- the death of Mr. Ware, correct?

21· · · A· · Did not.

22· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

23· · · · · ·You can answer.

24· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Did not catch.

25· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

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·2· · · Q· · Well, when you read the complaint, you

·3· ·looked for the paragraphs in which "Ware" was

·4· ·mentioned, right?

·5· · · A· · Yes.

·6· · · Q· · And he's not mentioned throughout the

·7· ·entire complaint?

·8· · · A· · Correct.

·9· · · Q· · There's only a couple paragraphs where it

10· ·says Ralph Ware, correct?

11· · · A· · Correct.

12· · · Q· · And you read those paragraphs carefully,

13· ·correct?

14· · · A· · Correct.

15· · · Q· · What obligation, if any, do you have to

16· ·keep informed about the status of the litigation?

17· · · A· · Obligation?· I do have an obligation to

18· ·stay informed with this.

19· · · Q· · Do you have any understanding of what the

20· ·theories of relief are in this case?

21· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

22· · · · · ·You can answer it.

23· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

24· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

25· · · Q· · And what are the theories of recovery?

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·2· · · A· · I assume financial.· I assume stoppage of

·3· ·the making of a product that causes cancer.

·4· · · Q· · Is it your understanding of the facts, from

·5· ·reading the complaint and serving as a class

·6· ·representative, that the product here is still being

·7· ·manufactured?

·8· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·9· · · · · ·You can answer it.

10· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

11· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

12· · · Q· · And as a class representative, do you view

13· ·that product being manufactured today as dangerous

14· ·for people?

15· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

16· · · · · ·You can answer it.

17· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

18· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

19· · · Q· · And as a class representative, having

20· ·prepared for this deposition, and having followed

21· ·through on reading the lawsuit, do you believe that

22· ·one of your goals is to stop the sale of this

23· ·dangerous product?

24· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

25· · · · · ·You can answer it.

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·2· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

·3· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·4· · · Q· · What is the product at issue?

·5· · · A· · Asbestos fibers.

·6· · · Q· · Have you ever heard of talc?

·7· · · A· · Talc, yes, which is in asbestos, yes.· It's

·8· ·a mineral.

·9· · · Q· · And do you have an understanding that the

10· ·defendants here were selling talc?

11· · · A· · Yes.

12· · · Q· · Were they selling asbestos?

13· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

14· · · · · ·You can answer.

15· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It's one and the same.

16· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

17· · · Q· · Talc is asbestos?

18· · · A· · Right.

19· · · Q· · How did you come to that understanding?

20· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· I'm going to -- before she

21· ·answers that, I'm just going to advise her that if

22· ·any knowledge came from discussion with counsel, it

23· ·would be subject to attorney-client privilege, and

24· ·you're not to answer it.· So if there's any

25· ·knowledge you have outside of that, then you can

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·2· ·answer the question.· Otherwise, I'm advising you

·3· ·not to answer.

·4· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay.· I won't answer, under

·5· ·advice of my counsel.

·6· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·7· · · Q· · Who's the driving force behind this

·8· ·litigation, you or your lawyers?

·9· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

10· · · · · ·You can answer it.

11· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Both.

12· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

13· · · Q· · Okay.· Could you tell me everything you've

14· ·done to direct this litigation?

15· · · A· · Answered the questions, mailed, e-mailed

16· ·any documentation that I have in my possession

17· ·brought from Donna Ware's house to mine, as I moved

18· ·her in with me.

19· · · Q· · So in that eight hours that you and I

20· ·discussed earlier --

21· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

22· · · Q· · -- you've e-mailed, you've provided

23· ·documents, and you've shown up at this deposition to

24· ·answer questions?

25· · · A· · Correct.

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·2· · · Q· · Other than those three things, what else

·3· ·have you done?

·4· · · A· · Nothing.

·5· · · Q· · Do you have regular phone conferences with

·6· ·your lawyers regarding the status of the case?

·7· · · A· · Only occasional.

·8· · · Q· · And do you, from those phone -- withdrawn.

·9· · · · · ·Are there other plaintiffs on those phone

10· ·conferences?

11· · · A· · No.

12· · · Q· · How long have they lasted?

13· · · A· · The phone conferences?

14· · · Q· · Yeah.

15· · · A· · Hour to ten minutes.

16· · · Q· · And is that to discuss -- without telling

17· ·me what was said, were those conferences to discuss

18· ·legal strategy in the case?

19· · · A· · No.

20· · · Q· · Do you believe that you, as a class

21· ·representative, should direct the litigation?

22· · · A· · Yes.

23· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

24· · · · · ·You can answer it.

25· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

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·2· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·3· · · Q· · Okay.· And how have you done that?

·4· · · A· · By agreeing and being here, for one.

·5· · · Q· · Okay.· Aside from agreeing to be a class

·6· ·representative and showing up for a deposition, how

·7· ·else have you directed the litigation?

·8· · · A· · By reading things they've sent me, signing,

·9· ·and returning.

10· · · Q· · Apart from reading the complaint, returning

11· ·and signing materials that they've asked you to

12· ·sign, and showing up for your deposition, what else

13· ·have you done to direct the litigation?

14· · · A· · Nothing.

15· · · Q· · Have you ever, without revealing what was

16· ·said, told your lawyers that you disagree with

17· ·something that's happening in the litigation?

18· · · A· · No, I have not.

19· · · Q· · Have you ever, in words or in substance,

20· ·told your lawyers what you would like seen done in

21· ·the litigation?

22· · · A· · Correction of a --

23· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Well, again, answer the

24· ·question that's being asked, not the substance, as

25· ·directed by counsel's question.

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·2· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay.· Ask your question

·3· ·again, please?

·4· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·5· · · Q· · Sure.· Have you ever directed your counsel

·6· ·to do something in the litigation that had not been

·7· ·done?

·8· · · A· · I have not, no.

·9· · · Q· · Is it fair to say that you were, in that

10· ·first call with Mr. Jared Placitella, recruited by

11· ·counsel to be a class representative?

12· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

13· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Handed down, yes.

14· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

15· · · Q· · Fair to say you were recruited?

16· · · A· · Fair to say, yes.· Yes.

17· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

18· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

19· · · Q· · In terms of the conduct of the litigation,

20· ·is it fair to say that you defer to your lawyers'

21· ·judgments?

22· · · A· · Absolutely.

23· · · Q· · Why do you say absolutely?

24· · · A· · Because where I come in on this, this has

25· ·been going on for so many years.· I'm coming in

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·2· ·toward the end of this.· It's already been

·3· ·established.· They have the knowledge and the

·4· ·information that I -- wisdom that I don't on this.

·5· · · Q· · Is it your understanding that the lawyers

·6· ·understand the underlying facts of the complaint?

·7· · · A· · Yes.

·8· · · Q· · And you don't have any personal knowledge

·9· ·of the underlying facts of the complaint?

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

11· · · · · ·You can answer it.

12· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Knowledge of the complaint of

13· ·hiding evidence of asbestos in talc?

14· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

15· · · Q· · (Nodding.)

16· · · A· · I know that from reading correspondence.

17· · · Q· · Okay.· You know that from reading the

18· ·complaint.

19· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

20· · · Q· · You don't have any personal knowledge of

21· ·it?

22· · · A· · No, I do not.

23· · · Q· · So because your lawyers know the facts,

24· ·that's one of the reasons why you defer to counsel

25· ·on these litigation matters --

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·2· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·3· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·4· · · Q· · -- correct?

·5· · · A· · Yes.

·6· · · Q· · And so you were recruited by

·7· ·Mr. Placitella, and you feel that it would be

·8· ·appropriate, given Mr. Placitella and other

·9· ·counsel's knowledge of the facts, to defer to them

10· ·in the litigation matters?

11· · · A· · Yes.

12· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

13· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

14· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

15· · · Q· · Do you view your role as a class

16· ·representative as supervising your counsel?

17· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

18· · · · · ·You can answer it.

19· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

20· · · Q· · Or do you just defer to them?

21· · · A· · Supervising.

22· · · Q· · Okay.· And what have you done in terms of

23· ·supervising counsel?

24· · · A· · Read the complaints.· I've not seen

25· ·anything to correct as -- thus far.

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·2· · · Q· · Well, except for the death of Mr. Ware?

·3· · · A· · That, yes.

·4· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·5· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·6· · · Q· · And you didn't correct that?

·7· · · A· · Did not.

·8· · · Q· · So other than reading the complaint to

·9· ·correct any inaccuracies, what else have you done to

10· ·supervise the plaintiffs' counsel in this case?

11· · · A· · Just reading what they had sent.

12· · · Q· · Apart from reading the complaint and

13· ·reading what plaintiffs' counsel sent you to read,

14· ·what have you done to supervise them, if anything?

15· · · A· · Nothing.

16· · · Q· · Do you have any understanding of whether

17· ·there was a mediation in this case?

18· · · A· · I understand through my counsel that, yes,

19· ·there has been mediation for years.

20· · · Q· · For years?

21· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

22· · · Q· · When did you first learn of the mediation?

23· · · A· · I don't know a year.· I can't answer that

24· ·exact.· My husband was -- Aunt Donna talked to my

25· ·husband five years ago.· I'm not sure.

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·2· · · Q· · What's your understanding of a mediation?

·3· · · A· · That you have a medium person working for

·4· ·both sides of counsel.

·5· · · Q· · Do you understand there were settlement

·6· ·discussions between the parties?

·7· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·8· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

10· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

11· · · Q· · When did you hear about the settlement

12· ·discussions?

13· · · A· · After Aunt Donna died.

14· · · Q· · And when did Aunt Donna die?

15· · · A· · January 7th, 2016, early January.

16· · · Q· · Early January of 2016?

17· · · A· · '17.

18· · · Q· · '17.

19· · · A· · '17.

20· · · Q· · Okay.· So after -- after January of 2017

21· ·was the first time you heard of settlement

22· ·discussions in this case?

23· · · A· · Well, my husband had talked to her; I had

24· ·not.

25· · · Q· · Okay.· You heard from your husband about

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·2· ·the settlement?

·3· · · A· · Yes.

·4· · · Q· · Okay.· In talking to your husband, did you

·5· ·have an understanding that there was a settlement

·6· ·offer in this case?

·7· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·8· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No.

10· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

11· · · Q· · Did you understand from your husband that

12· ·there was a financial proposal to resolve this case?

13· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

14· · · · · ·You can answer it.

15· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· A possible one, yes.

16· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

17· · · Q· · And as a class representative, did you

18· ·support trying to settle this case?

19· · · A· · Yes.

20· · · Q· · When did you -- without telling me what was

21· ·said, when did you have those discussions with your

22· ·lawyers regarding the mediation or settlement in

23· ·this case?

24· · · A· · In the last six months.

25· · · Q· · Okay.· In the last six months was the first

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·2· ·time that you had knowledge -- withdrawn.

·3· · · · · ·In the last six months was the first time

·4· ·you had discussions with your lawyers regarding

·5· ·settlement in this case?

·6· · · A· · Sometime since July, yes.

·7· · · Q· · Since July of 2017?

·8· · · A· · Yeah.

·9· · · Q· · Since July of 2017 until today, in that

10· ·six-month time frame was the first time you had

11· ·discussions regarding settlement in this case, fair?

12· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

13· · · · · ·You can answer it.

14· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

15· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

16· · · Q· · In terms of -- as a class representative,

17· ·how do you protect the interests of other class

18· ·representatives?

19· · · A· · How do I protect what?

20· · · Q· · The interests of other class members.

21· · · A· · By representing them as a whole on the

22· ·common task at hand, I guess.

23· · · Q· · And what do you think the task at hand is?

24· · · A· · To represent the fraudulent fact that cases

25· ·have been won that there was asbestos talc in a case

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·2· ·that was hidden.

·3· · · Q· · We spoke previously about the fact that you

·4· ·believe that the talc at issue is still being

·5· ·manufactured and sold.

·6· · · · · ·Do you remember that discussion?

·7· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

·8· · · Q· · How do you think, as a class

·9· ·representative, you can protect other class members,

10· ·in terms of stopping the sale of the Engelhard talc

11· ·today?

12· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

13· · · · · ·You can answer it.

14· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· If proven that it does, that

15· ·they can maybe correct the damaging elements that's

16· ·causing issues.

17· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Off the record.

18· · · · · · · · ·(Recessed at 10:30 a.m.)

19· · · · · · · · ·(Reconvened at 10:31 a.m.)

20· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

21· · · Q· · We've now substituted a dated Defendants'

22· ·Exhibit 146.· And for the record, I'll put the Bates

23· ·numbers on.· It bears Bates Nos. BASF_WILLIAMS33079

24· ·consecutive to 33115.· Okay.· I see where

25· ·Defendants' Exhibit 1, paragraph 28 is still open in

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·2· ·front of you, Ms. Ware, so I'd like you -- no, keep

·3· ·it open, please.

·4· · · · · ·And I'd like to direct your attention to

·5· ·paragraph 28, which says:· On or about May 29th,

·6· ·1997, Plaintiff Ware and her deceased husband

·7· ·commenced an asbestos lawsuit -- asbestos injury

·8· ·lawsuit in the Court of Common Pleas, Cuyahoga

·9· ·County, and it continues down to 02-475504.

10· · · · · ·Do you see that?

11· · · A· · Yes.

12· · · Q· · Okay.· And now I'm showing you a copy of an

13· ·asbestos lawsuit dated August 5th, 2002, from the

14· ·Bevan firm, against various companies, including

15· ·B.F. Goodrich and Engelhard.

16· · · · · ·Do you see this?

17· · · A· · Yes.

18· · · Q· · Fair to say that the complaint, the class

19· ·action complaint paragraph 28, is inaccurate in

20· ·terms of when a lawsuit was filed?

21· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

22· · · · · ·You can answer it.

23· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Correct.

24· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

25· · · Q· · And it's also inaccurate in terms of --

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·2· ·withdrawn.

·3· · · · · ·There are six plaintiffs, six class

·4· ·representatives in this case, correct?

·5· · · A· · Correct.

·6· · · Q· · And at least with respect to one of them,

·7· ·Mr. Ralph Ware, the complaint got it wrong in terms

·8· ·of when he passed away, correct?

·9· · · A· · Correct.

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

11· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Correct.

12· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· What's wrong with that

13· ·question?

14· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Because I think that it

15· ·mischaracterizes her previous testimony as to when

16· ·he passed away.· I think she already testified the

17· ·date he passed away is accurate.· I think she had

18· ·previously testified -- if you go to paragraph 26,

19· ·the date he passed away, as reflected in this

20· ·complaint, is accurate.

21· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Well, it says on May 29th,

22· ·1997, Plaintiff Ware and her deceased husband

23· ·commenced an action.

24· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

25· · · Q· · He wasn't deceased in 1997, was he?

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·2· · · A· · Was not.

·3· · · Q· · So at least the fact that the complaint

·4· ·refers to him being deceased in 1997 is inaccurate,

·5· ·correct?

·6· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.· Complaint

·7· ·speaks for itself.

·8· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Type error, yes.

10· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

11· · · Q· · Yes, it's a type of error.

12· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

13· · · Q· · Okay.· So now the complaint I've shown --

14· ·I've put in front of you, Defendants' Exhibit 146,

15· ·which is the Ralph Ware complaint in Cuyahoga County

16· ·against a number of defendants, do you see this?

17· · · A· · Yes.

18· · · Q· · Other than Engelhard, do you know whether

19· ·Mr. Ware sued any other talc defendants?

20· · · A· · I'm not aware.· I have no knowledge.

21· · · Q· · And, in fact, is it fair to say that, if

22· ·you looked through the complaint that Mr. Bevan

23· ·filed on behalf of Mr. Ware, there's not even a

24· ·mention of the word "talc"?

25· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Just for the record, I'll

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·2· ·object to form.· The complaint speaks for itself.

·3· ·You can answer it, after you've had a chance --

·4· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·5· · · Q· · Oh, sorry.· Sorry.· Paragraph 7 there is

·6· ·talc.· Sorry.· If you turn your attention to

·7· ·paragraph 7, it says:· Plaintiffs used, handled, or

·8· ·otherwise exposed to asbestos and asbestos products,

·9· ·talc, and talc products as referenced here and

10· ·above.

11· · · · · ·Do you see that?

12· · · A· · Yes.

13· · · Q· · Do you know what talc products Mr. Ware was

14· ·exposed to?

15· · · A· · Whatever they use in Goodyear for making

16· ·parts for Goodyear blimp parts.

17· · · Q· · As a class representative -- withdrawn.

18· · · · · ·You and I discussed earlier about stopping

19· ·the sale of talc going forward, correct?

20· · · A· · Correct.

21· · · Q· · If you came to learn that Mr. Ware was

22· ·actually never exposed to Engelhard talc, as a class

23· ·representative, would you still pursue this case?

24· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

25· · · · · ·You can answer it.

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·2· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No.

·3· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·4· · · Q· · Why not?

·5· · · A· · It speaks for itself, yeah.

·6· · · Q· · Yeah.· If my client's product didn't cause

·7· ·an injury for Mr. Ware, and Mr. Ware was never

·8· ·exposed to Engelhard talc, you would agree with me

·9· ·that you shouldn't pursue the case, fair?

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

11· · · · · ·You can answer it.

12· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Fair.

13· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

14· · · Q· · And you certainly shouldn't be a class

15· ·representative for other people who may have been

16· ·exposed to Engelhard talc, fair?

17· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

18· · · · · ·You can answer it.

19· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Correct.

20· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

21· · · Q· · Now, let me show you what is marked as

22· ·Defendants' Exhibit 147.

23· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 147

24· ·was marked for identification.)

25· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

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·2· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 147 is a notice of

·3· ·dismissal that was attached as Exhibit 35 to the

·4· ·Plaintiffs' Second Amended Complaint.

·5· · · A· · Okay.

·6· · · Q· · And by the way, when you read the complaint

·7· ·in this case, did you read a complaint with a bunch

·8· ·of exhibits, like a bunch of attachments, or did you

·9· ·just read what was in front of you?

10· · · A· · Just what was in front of me.

11· · · Q· · Okay.· And you saw, though, in that

12· ·complaint, there were numerous references to

13· ·exhibits?

14· · · A· · Yes.

15· · · Q· · And you've never looked at those exhibits?

16· · · A· · No.

17· · · Q· · Okay.· Well, this is one of those exhibits

18· ·that are attached to the complaint.· Okay?· And it's

19· ·an exhibit that is a dismissal for Ralph Ware

20· ·against a number of defendants -- against -- I'm

21· ·sorry, against Engelhard Corporation on the 28th of

22· ·April 2003.

23· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Do you have a page where --

24· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Sure.· If you turn to -- I

25· ·think it's the third page from the back, bearing

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·2· ·Bates No. 782.

·3· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Maybe my eyes -- I don't see

·4· ·"Ware" on this page.

·5· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Where it says -- it says:· Now

·6· ·comes above named plaintiffs pursuant to Ohio Rule

·7· ·41 dismissed the above-captioned cases without

·8· ·prejudice as to Defendant Engelhard Corporation

·9· ·only.

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Right.· No, I see that, but

11· ·going through this, you know, I'm --

12· · · · · ·MR. ANGUAS:· Ralph Ware is on page 32.

13· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Sorry.· It's from your Second

14· ·Amended Complaint.

15· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Okay.· No, that's one of the

16· ·drawbacks of having me here.

17· · · · · ·Okay.· So it's -- all right.· Let counsel

18· ·ask his questions.

19· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

20· · · Q· · Okay.· So did you understand that Mr. Ware

21· ·dismissed Engelhard on or about April 28th, 2003?

22· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

23· · · · · ·You can answer it.

24· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Recently, yes, I was aware of

25· ·that.

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·2· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·3· · · Q· · How did you become aware of that recently?

·4· · · A· · Reading these that they have sent me.

·5· · · Q· · The Second Amended Complaint, Defendants'

·6· ·Exhibit 1?

·7· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

·8· · · Q· · Okay.· And did you learn from any source --

·9· ·just answer yes or no -- as to why Mr. Ware

10· ·dismissed his complaint?

11· · · A· · No.

12· · · Q· · As we sit here today, you don't have any

13· ·idea why Mr. Ware dismissed his complaint?

14· · · A· · There were apparently -- apparently there

15· ·was evidence or false evidence given that was later

16· ·uncovered.

17· · · Q· · Who told you that?

18· · · A· · I read it in these, counsel.

19· · · Q· · In the complaint?

20· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

21· · · Q· · Other than reading it in the complaint, you

22· ·don't have any knowledge of why Mr. Ware dismissed

23· ·his complaint?

24· · · A· · Do not.

25· · · Q· · Okay.· So now I'm going to show you another

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·2· ·document also from April 28th of 2003 that's not

·3· ·attached to the Plaintiffs' Second Amended

·4· ·Complaint.· Okay?

·5· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· We'll mark this as Exhibit 148.

·6· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 148

·7· ·was marked for identification.)

·8· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

·9· · · Q· · Exhibit 148 is a multiple-page document

10· ·from the Court of Common Pleas, Cuyahoga County,

11· ·bearing Bates Nos. BASF_WILLIAMS390586 through

12· ·390624.· And it is a dismissal of Ralph Ware's case

13· ·against Harshaw Chemical Corporation on page 624.

14· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Do you happen to have the page

15· ·cite for where Mr. Ware is listed?

16· · · · · ·MR. ANGUAS:· Bates ending 620.

17· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

18· · · Q· · And this was filed by Mr. Ware's attorney,

19· ·Tom Bevan, as well as Harshaw Chemical's attorney,

20· ·Jack Kluznik.· Prior to today, did you have any

21· ·understanding of the fact that Mr. Ware dismissed,

22· ·on April 28th, 2003, both Engelhard Corporation and

23· ·Harshaw Chemical Corporation?

24· · · A· · No.

25· · · Q· · And if I can show you, or show a court,

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·2· ·that Harshaw Chemical Corporation was a defendant

·3· ·because -- withdrawn.

·4· · · · · ·If I can show you, or a court, that

·5· ·Mr. Ware was exposed to asbestos in what's called a

·6· ·premises case, as opposed to a talc case, would that

·7· ·matter to you?

·8· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·9· · · · · ·You can answer it.

10· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

11· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

12· · · Q· · Now, turning back to the Second Amended

13· ·Complaint in front of you, paragraph 28, I'm now

14· ·going to turn your attention to the bottom part of

15· ·paragraph 28 on page 26.· It says:· Reasonably

16· ·relying and acting upon the misrepresentations and

17· ·material omissions of defendants regarding

18· ·Engelhard's talc product, and the absence of any

19· ·evidence indicating Engelhard's talc contained

20· ·asbestos fibers that were made to their attorney

21· ·representative, Tom Bevan, Esquire, as set forth

22· ·more particularly herein, Plaintiff Ware and her

23· ·husband's estate in 2003 voluntarily dismissed their

24· ·lawsuit against Engelhard's predecessors as part of

25· ·a multi-plaintiff, multi-talc defendant settlement

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·2· ·that BASF's predecessors were party to.

·3· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·4· · · A· · Yes.

·5· · · Q· · Now, I showed you the complaint, and I

·6· ·showed you the dismissal.· And I've looked for other

·7· ·talc defendants.· It says -- do you see here, where

·8· ·it says:· Multi-talc defendant settlement?

·9· · · A· · Yes.

10· · · Q· · I can't find that.· So as a class

11· ·representative, and as a representative of Mr. Ware,

12· ·could you explain to me where there's any evidence

13· ·that there was a multi-talc defendant settlement

14· ·with Engelhard by Mr. Ware?

15· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

16· · · · · ·You can answer it.

17· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I cannot.

18· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

19· · · Q· · And if it turns out that Mr. Ware only

20· ·settled with one talc defendant, Engelhard, would

21· ·you agree with me that that sentence would also be

22· ·inaccurate in the complaint about a multi-defendant

23· ·settlement?

24· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

25· · · · · ·You can answer it.

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·2· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

·3· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

·4· · · Q· · As a class representative, do you believe

·5· ·it's important for you to show that Mr. Ware was

·6· ·actually exposed to Engelhard talc?

·7· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

·8· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

10· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

11· · · Q· · If Mr. Ware were not exposed to Engelhard

12· ·talc at Goodyear Aerospace, you would be prepared to

13· ·stand up in court and tell the judge that you don't

14· ·want to be a class representative in this case,

15· ·fair?

16· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

17· · · · · ·You can answer it.

18· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Fair.

19· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

20· · · Q· · All right.· Now, you understand that

21· ·Mr. Ware worked at Goodyear Aerospace, correct?

22· · · A· · Correct, for 35 years.

23· · · Q· · For 35 years.

24· · · A· · I believe.

25· · · Q· · And there were different Goodyear

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·2· ·facilities throughout Ohio.· Do you know that

·3· ·there's -- was there multiple Goodyear facilities?

·4· ·Do you know that?

·5· · · A· · I do not know.

·6· · · Q· · Okay.· But he didn't work at B.F. Goodrich,

·7· ·correct?· He worked at Goodyear Aerospace.

·8· · · A· · Which was eventually -- I thought had a

·9· ·B.F. Goodrich sign on it also.

10· · · Q· · I don't know.· Don't know.· Do you know?

11· · · A· · Driving by it, I'm almost positive.

12· · · Q· · While he worked there?

13· · · A· · After he was retired.

14· · · Q· · Okay.· After he was retired.· Okay.· All

15· ·right.· So let me show you --

16· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· We'll mark this as Exhibit 157.

17· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 157

18· ·was marked for identification.)

19· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

20· · · Q· · I'm showing you what's been marked as

21· ·Defendants' Exhibit 157, bearing Bates Nos.

22· ·BASF_WILLIAMS 110648 through 110663, and it's

23· ·Defendants' Supplemental Answers to Plaintiffs'

24· ·Master Discovery Requests.· And I'd like to turn

25· ·your attention to 651 to start with.

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·2· · · · · ·It's Supplemental Response to Master

·3· ·Interrogatory 18.· It says:· In order to determine

·4· ·shipments of talc to locations of employment named

·5· ·by the plaintiffs, Pita has reviewed its invoices

·6· ·and year-end sales analyses, to the extent they

·7· ·exist, and these responses are based on analysis of

·8· ·the shipped to addresses on the invoices, or when

·9· ·invoices are not available, the locations referred

10· ·to in sales analyses.· Pita cannot state with

11· ·assurance whether or not addresses shown in sales

12· ·analyses are billed to or shipped to locations.· In

13· ·those cases where the answer is based solely on the

14· ·appearance of plaintiffs' named locations of

15· ·employment and sales analyses, this fact is noted.

16· ·In addition, sales analyses did not necessarily

17· ·cover the same period each year.· Pita produced and

18· ·sold talc only in the period 1967 to 1983.

19· · · · · ·Do you see that?

20· · · A· · Yes.

21· · · Q· · And then if you go to 110657, there is a

22· ·notation for Goodyear Aerospace, also known as Loral

23· ·Systems.· It says:· 1967 to 1983, none.· Do you see

24· ·that?· No sales.

25· · · A· · Yes.

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·2· · · Q· · And if you turn above, there are different

·3· ·other Emtal notations for Goodrich Chemical, in

·4· ·which, for example, there are 70 tons -- tons, not

·5· ·bags, 70 tons of talc sold in 1978.· Do you see

·6· ·that, right above Goodyear Aerospace for Goodrich

·7· ·Chemical?

·8· · · A· · Oh, yes.

·9· · · Q· · So now as a class representative, having

10· ·read this response, would you agree with me, at

11· ·least this response shows that Goodyear Aerospace,

12· ·where Mr. Ware worked, never bought any talc from

13· ·the Defendant Emtal?

14· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.· Document

15· ·speaks for itself.

16· · · · · ·You can answer it.

17· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

18· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Let's take a break.· Let's go

19· ·off the record.

20· · · · · · · · ·(Recessed at 10:54 a.m.)

21· · · · · · · · ·(Reconvened at 11:00 a.m.)

22· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibits 156

23· ·and 156A were marked for identification.)

24· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

25· · · Q· · I'm showing you, Ms. Ware, documents that

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·2· ·were produced in response to plaintiffs' subpoena to

·3· ·the insurers, Arrowood in this case.· Exhibit 156

·4· ·bears Bates Nos. ARROWOOD61904 through 61954, and

·5· ·then Defendants' Exhibit 156A, which is an exhibit

·6· ·to the original Exhibit 156, bears Bates Nos.

·7· ·ARROWOOD062063 through 062066.· Okay?

·8· · · A· · Yes.

·9· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 156 is Defendant C.P.

10· ·Hall Company's Responses to Plaintiffs' Master

11· ·Discovery Requests.· And if you turn to question 18,

12· ·bearing Bates No. 61921.

13· · · A· · What page?

14· · · Q· · 61921 in the lower right-hand corner.

15· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· 62921, you said?

16· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Yes.

17· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Got it.· Yeah, I have it.

18· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

19· · · Q· · All right.· Question 18 reads:· Did you

20· ·ever sell and/or distribute asbestos,

21· ·asbestos-containing products, talc, or soapstone to

22· ·plaintiffs' employers or any other defendant in the

23· ·litigation, and it continues.

24· · · · · ·And then the answer, at the bottom of

25· ·61921, says:· See attached Exhibits 15-18,

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·2· ·representing the plaintiffs' employers to whom

·3· ·products were sold, and the quantities sold per

·4· ·year.· This information was obtained from C.P. Hall

·5· ·Company shipping records, which are too voluminous

·6· ·to attach or produce.

·7· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·8· · · A· · Yes.

·9· · · Q· · And then if you turn to Exhibit 156A,

10· ·there's Eastern Magnesium Talc.· And on the first

11· ·page, for example, B.F. Goodrich, in 1971, you see

12· ·B.F. Goodrich purchased or were shipped 4300

13· ·50-pound bags.

14· · · · · ·Do you see that?

15· · · A· · Yes.

16· · · Q· · So there's 4,000, 2,000 -- lots of talc, do

17· ·you see that?

18· · · A· · Yes.

19· · · Q· · And then if you go to the third page,

20· ·bearing Bates No. 62065, there's a notation for

21· ·Goodyear Aerospace.

22· · · · · ·Do you see that?

23· · · A· · Yes.

24· · · Q· · And in 1963, it appears that there was

25· ·shipped one 50-pound bag.· Do you see that?

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·2· · · A· · Yes.

·3· · · Q· · And in 1970, there were two 50-pound bags

·4· ·shipped.· Do you see that?

·5· · · A· · Yes.

·6· · · Q· · I don't know, Ms. Ware, whether they were

·7· ·samples, but you know, three bags over 30 years.· Do

·8· ·you see that?

·9· · · A· · Yes.

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

11· · · · · ·You can answer it.

12· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

13· · · Q· · And that's where Mr. Ware worked, Goodyear

14· ·Aerospace?

15· · · A· · Yes.

16· · · Q· · All right.· If, again, I'm able to show

17· ·you, through going through -- or show your lawyers

18· ·that my client, Emtal, actually didn't sell talc to

19· ·Goodyear Aerospace, and we saw all those shipping

20· ·records for B.F. Goodrich with tons and tons of

21· ·talc, if I'm able to show your lawyers that Emtal

22· ·didn't sell talc, would you agree that would be

23· ·significant for you in your role as class

24· ·representative?

25· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

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·2· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·3· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

·4· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· All right.· Now, let's mark

·5· ·this as Exhibit 149, please.

·6· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 149

·7· ·was marked for identification.)

·8· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·9· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 149 is a deposition of

10· ·Donna Ware, in Ralph Ware versus B.F. Goodrich and

11· ·other defendants.· And the appearance for Ms. Donna

12· ·Ware was by Bevan & Associates on February 4th,

13· ·2004.

14· · · · · ·Have you seen this before, in your

15· ·preparations for your deposition, or in getting

16· ·ready as class representative for this case?

17· · · A· · No.

18· · · Q· · Did you understand that Ms. Ware was

19· ·deposed, that a deposition was taken of Donna Ware?

20· · · A· · Assumed that, for it to get this far, yes.

21· · · Q· · Assumed.· Now, did you know, by the way,

22· ·Mr. Ralph Ware?

23· · · A· · Absolutely.

24· · · Q· · You kind of saw that he -- you know, what

25· ·he did, and you knew his hobbies, and what he liked

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·2· ·to do, and what he didn't like to do?

·3· · · A· · My other dad, yes.

·4· · · Q· · Correct.· Okay.· And Donna Ware, as his

·5· ·wife, also had an idea of what he liked to do and

·6· ·what he didn't like to do, right?

·7· · · A· · Correct.

·8· · · Q· · Okay.· So I'd like to turn your attention

·9· ·to page 53 of the deposition.

10· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· You said page 53, right?

11· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

12· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

13· · · Q· · And I'm going to start on page 11 -- or

14· ·line 11 of page 53.· It says:· What kind of hobbies

15· ·or what kind of things did Ralph do for fun or

16· ·recreation when he wasn't working?

17· · · · · ·Answer:· What time he did have, he liked to

18· ·garden.

19· · · · · ·Do you see that?

20· · · A· · Yes.

21· · · Q· · He was a gardener?

22· · · A· · Absolutely.

23· · · Q· · Okay.

24· · · · · ·Anything else?

25· · · · · ·He worked around the church a lot.· We

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·2· ·spent a lot of time at the church in flowers --

·3· ·planting flowers around the church and all.

·4· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·5· · · A· · Yes.

·6· · · Q· · And did he continue that up to the time of

·7· ·his death?

·8· · · · · ·Answer:· Yes.

·9· · · · · ·I know that you and Ralph built your home

10· ·in Mogadore --

11· · · A· · Mogadore.

12· · · Q· · Mogadore.

13· · · · · ·Did Ralph do any of the work himself?

14· · · · · ·Answer:· No.· We had it built.

15· · · · · ·And then it said:· Did he ever perform any

16· ·remodeling or home improvement work after that time?

17· · · · · ·If he did, he wasn't into that type of

18· ·work.· He would have had people work for us.

19· · · · · ·Do you see that?

20· · · A· · Yes.

21· · · Q· · And that's consistent with your

22· ·recollection of Mr. Ware's activities?

23· · · A· · Absolutely.

24· · · Q· · More of a gardener, not a home remodeler

25· ·type?

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·2· · · A· · Correct.

·3· · · Q· · Okay.· Not that they're always different,

·4· ·but some people are more gardeners, and other people

·5· ·love to rip out things and build them and measure

·6· ·them.· He's more a gardener type.

·7· · · A· · Absolutely.

·8· · · Q· · Not a remodeler type?

·9· · · A· · No.

10· · · Q· · Okay.· In fact, best you can tell, you

11· ·couldn't remember him, like Ms. Ware, doing any home

12· ·remodeling work?

13· · · A· · Correct.

14· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 150

15· ·was marked for identification.)

16· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

17· · · Q· · Let me show you what's been marked as

18· ·Defendants' Exhibit 150.· Okay.· Defendants' Exhibit

19· ·150 is a one-page document, bearing Bates Nos.

20· ·P-WMS-0003796 entitled "T.H. Agriculture &

21· ·Nutrition, LLC."

22· · · · · ·Have you seen this document, what's been

23· ·marked as Defendants' Exhibit 150?

24· · · A· · No.

25· · · Q· · You didn't see it in preparation for your

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·2· ·deposition?

·3· · · A· · No.

·4· · · Q· · And just so you know, we got this from

·5· ·Mr. Tom Bevan's files.· He's the attorney in Ohio.

·6· ·Okay?· And your attorneys can correct me, but just

·7· ·so you know, Mr. Bevan's law firm prepared these

·8· ·documents, and put it together as part of claiming

·9· ·for money for other asbestos injuries.· Okay?· So

10· ·it's a Mr. Bevan document, as opposed to something

11· ·you all put together.· Okay?

12· · · A· · Yes.

13· · · Q· · It says:· My name is Donna Ware.· I am over

14· ·the age of 18.· I am legally competent to make the

15· ·factual assertions set forth herein.

16· · · · · ·Paragraph 2 reads:· My spouse performed

17· ·home repair and remodeling jobs.· Do you see that?

18· · · A· · Yes.

19· · · Q· · Now, we just discussed, he didn't perform

20· ·home repair and remodeling jobs, correct?

21· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

22· · · · · ·You can answer it.

23· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· We did.

24· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

25· · · Q· · Okay.· And there's a reference -- or

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·2· ·paragraph 3 says:· In the course of those jobs,

·3· ·Ralph Ware was exposed to the following

·4· ·asbestos-containing joint compound materials:

·5· ·Bondex joint compound.

·6· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·7· · · A· · Yes.

·8· · · Q· · 1964 to 1967, and 1971 to 1976.· Do you see

·9· ·that?

10· · · A· · Yes.

11· · · Q· · Okay.· Do you know what Bondex joint

12· ·compound is?

13· · · A· · I think it's for car -- is it auto body

14· ·probably?

15· · · Q· · And he didn't do auto body repair work, did

16· ·he, as far as you know?

17· · · A· · Probably on his old beaten-up car, he

18· ·probably tried to fix something.

19· · · Q· · He tried to fix something, but he wasn't --

20· ·he wasn't a guy taking apart the body and sanding

21· ·it?

22· · · A· · No.· He would patch things, but no.

23· · · Q· · You've never seen him work with taking

24· ·apart a car and putting on -- and redoing it.· He

25· ·was a gardener?

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·2· · · A· · Did not.· His hobby was outside work.

·3· · · Q· · Okay.

·4· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Let's go off the record a

·5· ·second.

·6· · · · · · · · ·(Recessed at 11:13 a.m.)

·7· · · · · · · · ·(Reconvened at 11:14 a.m.)

·8· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·9· · · Q· · Okay.· We were talking about gardening,

10· ·home remodeling, and cars?

11· · · A· · Correct.

12· · · Q· · And you said he sometimes liked to work

13· ·with cars, sometimes, not often?

14· · · A· · No, I'm saying that he had an old vehicle.

15· ·It would not be above him to try to patch a hole,

16· ·rather than buy a new vehicle, or put a shelf in a

17· ·bathroom closet, anything like that.· But actual

18· ·construction, no.

19· · · Q· · No, okay.· But on cars -- we're talking

20· ·about the cars first -- you never saw him take apart

21· ·a car?

22· · · A· · Never did.

23· · · Q· · Okay.· And you never saw him try to patch a

24· ·car?

25· · · A· · Never did.

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·2· · · Q· · Okay.· And similarly, you

·3· ·never -- withdrawn.

·4· · · · · ·Okay.· I think we covered that.· Gardener,

·5· ·not home repair or mechanic?

·6· · · A· · Correct.

·7· · · Q· · Okay.· All right.· Let me show you what I'm

·8· ·marking as Defendants' Exhibit 151.

·9· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 151

10· ·was marked for identification.)

11· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· And we might as well mark this,

12· ·too, as a companion.· It's Defendants' Exhibit 154.

13· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 154

14· ·was marked for identification.)

15· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

16· · · Q· · Okay.· Defendants' Exhibit 151 is a report

17· ·dated May 17, 2003 regarding Mr. Ralph Ware's

18· ·medical records.· And in particular, paragraph 2

19· ·references a B reader report by Dr. Ray Harron,

20· ·dated May 16, 2002, along with a narrative.

21· · · · · ·Do you see that?

22· · · A· · Yes.

23· · · Q· · Do you have any idea who Dr. Ray Harron is?

24· · · A· · I do not.

25· · · Q· · In any of your discussions with your

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·2· ·husband, or Donna Ware, or Ralph Ware, did you ever

·3· ·hear of the phrase, "National Tireworkers Litigation

·4· ·Project"?

·5· · · A· · Did not.

·6· · · Q· · Okay.· Did you ever hear of a bunch of tire

·7· ·workers or factory workers being recruited to go to

·8· ·the union halls or union meetings, where they would

·9· ·be diagnosed for bringing lawsuits?

10· · · A· · No.

11· · · Q· · Exhibit 154 is -- the first page is

12· ·entitled Exhibit C, and the second page is a report

13· ·from the Claims Resolution Management Corporation,

14· ·September 12th, 2005, regarding the suspension of

15· ·acceptance of medical reports.· And I'll just read

16· ·this to you.

17· · · · · ·It says:· The reliability of reports

18· ·prepared by the doctors and screening facilities

19· ·listed below has been challenged, and is the subject

20· ·of federal grand jury and congressional

21· ·investigations into alleged fraud.· Based upon

22· ·evidence presented in the silica multidistrict

23· ·litigation (MDL), the challenge is credible and

24· ·compels suspension of acceptance of these reports.

25· ·In the two months since Judge Janis Jack issued her

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·2· ·June 30, 2005 order in the silica MDL, CRMC has

·3· ·received no information or evidence to support

·4· ·continued acceptance of reports prepared by these

·5· ·doctors and facilities.· Pending completion of the

·6· ·grand jury and congressional investigations, and the

·7· ·litigation in which the reports were challenged,

·8· ·CRMC will no longer accept reports prepared by these

·9· ·doctors and facilities.

10· · · · · ·Do you see that?

11· · · A· · Yes.

12· · · Q· · And if you turn down, there is a reference

13· ·to Dr. Harron.· Do you see that?· Dr. Ray Harron?

14· · · A· · Yes.

15· · · Q· · In or about 2005, do you have any

16· ·recollection of hearing that one of the doctors who

17· ·diagnosed Mr. Ralph Ware was the subject of a grand

18· ·jury criminal investigation?

19· · · A· · No.

20· · · Q· · Is that the first you're hearing of it?

21· · · A· · Yes.

22· · · Q· · As a class representative, does it give you

23· ·pause if you're relying on records created by a

24· ·doctor whose privileges were suspended?

25· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

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·2· · · · · ·You can answer it.

·3· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

·4· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·5· · · Q· · And would that put you in a different

·6· ·position from class members who were relying on

·7· ·doctors who were not the subject of suspension and

·8· ·criminal investigations and congressional hearings?

·9· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

10· · · · · ·You can answer it.

11· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· Yes.

12· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Let's mark this as Exhibit 153,

13· ·please.

14· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 153

15· ·was marked for identification.)

16· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· And we're going to mark this as

17· ·Exhibit 154 -- sorry, this is going to be Exhibit

18· ·152.

19· · · · · · · · ·(Defendants' Deposition Exhibit 152

20· ·was marked for identification.)

21· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

22· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 152 is a letter we

23· ·received dated April 16, 2008, I think last night,

24· ·from Mr. Jared Placitella, to supplement your

25· ·interrogatory responses regarding additional

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·2· ·settlement claims that you or your lawyers

·3· ·uncovered.

·4· · · · · ·Have you seen this before, this letter?

·5· ·No, the April 16th, 2018 letter.

·6· · · A· · That looks like what I sent them, what I

·7· ·found.

·8· · · Q· · Okay.· Where did you find that information?

·9· · · A· · In a tub.· When we moved Aunt Donna, we

10· ·just went through her desk, and what was left, what

11· ·wasn't stolen from her house per her.· We dumped

12· ·everything in a tub and brought it with us.· So when

13· ·looking for something for Jared, going through the

14· ·tub, I uncovered that, and said, what?· And sent it

15· ·to him, thinking it would be pertinent to what you

16· ·guys needed.

17· · · Q· · Thank you.

18· · · A· · You're welcome.

19· · · Q· · When did you send that to him?

20· · · A· · Three days ago, within the last week.

21· · · Q· · Great.· Thanks for doing that.

22· · · A· · Sure.

23· · · Q· · Defendants' Exhibit 153 is a chart which

24· ·we've made.· It's a one-page chart, and on the left

25· ·are Bates numbers --

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·2· · · A· · I see that.

·3· · · Q· · -- from your productions, from the

·4· ·plaintiffs' productions.· And then it's a category

·5· ·of parties, the date of a settlement, the total

·6· ·amount of the settlement, less attorneys' fees.· And

·7· ·I could go through all the settlements, but that's

·8· ·why I did the Bates numbers.· I thought we'd save

·9· ·some time here.

10· · · · · ·So it's a composite exhibit that shows that

11· ·over the course of the relationship with Mr. Bevan,

12· ·that there have been settlements of $1,068,781, less

13· ·attorneys' fees of $713,000.

14· · · · · ·Do you see that?

15· · · A· · Yes.

16· · · Q· · Does that strike you as correct, or is

17· ·this --

18· · · A· · It was shocking to me.· It was unknown to

19· ·me.· Yeah, I had --

20· · · Q· · You hadn't known about that money?

21· · · A· · I'm not even -- no, you're right.

22· · · Q· · Are you the executor of the Donna Ware

23· ·estate?

24· · · A· · Yes.

25· · · Q· · Okay.· And do you know whether the estate

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·2· ·expects to receive more money from other asbestos

·3· ·settlements?

·4· · · A· · I don't know of any forthcoming.

·5· · · Q· · Okay.

·6· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· And we can have agreement as

·7· ·far as pertains to 153, that any discrepancy in

·8· ·numbers between what's on here, and what's on the

·9· ·Bates number, the document itself controls?

10· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Yeah.

11· · · · · ·Okay.· Can we take a break?· I think we're

12· ·almost done.

13· · · · · · · · ·(Recessed at 11:25 a.m.)

14· · · · · · · · ·(Reconvened at 11:25 a.m.)

15· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

16· · · Q· · Ms. Ware, would you be kind enough to tell

17· ·me what you did in preparation for your deposition?

18· · · A· · Read through recent correspondence from --

19· ·that looked similar to this (indicating), talked

20· ·to --

21· · · Q· · The Second Amended Complaint, right?

22· · · A· · Yeah.· And spoke with an attorney in Jared

23· ·Placitella's office on the phone.· And then these

24· ·folks down here (indicating).

25· · · Q· · How long did you -- when was the discussion

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·2· ·with Mr. Placitella?

·3· · · A· · It wasn't him.· It was --

·4· · · · · ·MR. PASTERNACK:· It was Mike Coren, Harry

·5· ·Roth, and myself.

·6· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Coren, C-O-R-N-E [sic], I

·7· ·believe, on the phone.

·8· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

·9· · · Q· · When was that?

10· · · A· · A week ago.

11· · · Q· · And did they send you documents for that

12· ·phone call?· Like, did you review documents?

13· · · A· · No.· Not from the phone call, no.

14· · · Q· · After the phone call, did they send you

15· ·documents?

16· · · A· · No.· He told me what I had already had, to

17· ·read over it.

18· · · Q· · Did we review -- withdrawn.

19· · · · · ·In terms of the documents reviewed for

20· ·preparing for your deposition, did we review all

21· ·those today?

22· · · A· · No.· There were pages about cases that

23· ·were -- that was a Westfall case.· That was one. I

24· ·read that.

25· · · Q· · Right.· Okay.· Anything else?

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·2· · · A· · Not coming to me right now.

·3· · · Q· · Okay.· And then you met with your lawyers

·4· ·yesterday or this morning?

·5· · · A· · Last evening.

·6· · · Q· · Last evening?

·7· · · A· · Mm-hmm.

·8· · · Q· · Here in D.C.?

·9· · · A· · Yes.

10· · · Q· · Okay.· How long was that meeting?

11· · · A· · Half hour.

12· · · Q· · Okay.· Did they show you any documents?

13· · · A· · No.

14· · · Q· · I don't have any more questions for you,

15· ·Ms. Ware.· I appreciate -- I know you came down for

16· ·this deposition, I think from West Virginia?

17· · · A· · Yes.

18· · · Q· · So thanks for coming down.· Hopefully

19· ·you're out early enough to beat the traffic.· I will

20· ·I say there's going to be lunch here in about a half

21· ·hour.· If you'd like to stay for lunch, I think

22· ·you're here with your nephew.

23· · · A· · My son met me here.

24· · · Q· · There will be lunch outside, or you can get

25· ·on the road.· But there's going to be lunch in about

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·2· ·a half hour, and you can continue to use this room,

·3· ·if you like.

·4· · · A· · Thank you.

·5· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Any cross?· Any exam?

·6· · · · · ·MR. BOYLE:· None for Dornbusch.

·7· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Anyone else on the phone with

·8· ·anything?

·9· · · · · ·MR. TUNIS:· Nothing for Halket.

10· · · ·EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFFS

11· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

12· · · Q· · All right.· Ms. Ware, I just have a couple

13· ·of follow-up questions based on counsel's

14· ·examination of you.· With regard to the complaint

15· ·that was marked as Defendants' Exhibit 1, do you

16· ·see -- right there (indicating).

17· · · A· · Okay.

18· · · Q· · Do you see at the top, where it says filed?

19· · · A· · Yes.

20· · · Q· · And this Second Amended Complaint was filed

21· ·July 16th, 2015.· Do you see that?

22· · · A· · Correct.

23· · · Q· · On July 16th, 2015, was Donna Ware alive?

24· · · A· · Yes.

25· · · Q· · Okay.· On July 16th, 2015, was Ralph Ware

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·2· ·alive?

·3· · · A· · No.

·4· · · Q· · Okay.· So in terms of realtime, when this

·5· ·complaint was filed, Ralph Ware was the deceased

·6· ·husband of Donna Ware; is that fair?

·7· · · A· · Correct.

·8· · · Q· · Okay.· With regards to what was shown to

·9· ·you, Exhibit 151 and Exhibit 154, Exhibit 151 being

10· ·the expert report of Jaywant P. Parmar, and Exhibit

11· ·154 being the letter from the CRMC --

12· · · A· · Okay.

13· · · Q· · -- do you have both of those in front of

14· ·you?

15· · · A· · Yes, I do.

16· · · Q· · The reference to Dr. Harron is for a

17· ·medical record, or B reader that was reviewed by

18· ·Dr. Parmar, is that fair, number 2?

19· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Objection, leading.

20· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

21· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

22· · · Q· · Okay.· Do you know what a B read is?

23· · · A· · I do not.

24· · · Q· · Okay.· Is Dr. Parmar identified as an

25· ·individual who the CRMC will not be accepting

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·2· ·reports from anymore on Exhibit 154?

·3· · · A· · No.

·4· · · Q· · And Dr. Parmar, as an expert in pathology,

·5· ·is the individual who identified and diagnosed or

·6· ·confirmed the diagnosis of Mr. Ware's mesothelioma,

·7· ·correct?

·8· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Objection, foundation and form.

·9· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.

10· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

11· · · Q· · Okay.· We can put that off to the side.

12· ·Okay.· We're done with those.

13· · · · · ·And with regards to the exhibits that were

14· ·shown to you, Exhibit 156, which was the responses

15· ·to interrogatories from -- I don't know what entity

16· ·this is.

17· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· C.P. Hall, I think.

18· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· C.P. Hall?· Okay.· Thank you.

19· · · · · ·And then the other set of interrogatories

20· ·0648, is that Pita Realty?

21· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· Yeah, I think so.

22· ·BY MR. KUZMIN:

23· · · Q· · Okay.· Do you see on the front here for

24· ·these two, where the case numbers are identified?

25· · · A· · Yes.

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·2· · · Q· · Right here?· Okay.· And in the course of

·3· ·being questioned about the complaint and the case

·4· ·that was filed on behalf of Mr. Ware, Case No.

·5· ·02-475504 was identified in the complaint; is that

·6· ·fair?

·7· · · A· · Sure.· Yes.

·8· · · Q· · Do you see Case No. 02-475504 identified

·9· ·either on Exhibit 156, or the Pita Realty answers to

10· ·interrogatories?

11· · · A· · No.

12· · · Q· · Okay.

13· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Okay.· That's all I have.

14· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· I have some re-cross.

15· · · ·FURTHER EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT

16· · · ·BASF CATALYSTS, LLC

17· ·BY MR. ASSAF:

18· · · Q· · Can you pull out Defendants' Exhibit 151

19· ·again?· That's the report of Dr. Parmar.

20· · · A· · I have it.

21· · · Q· · And if you turn to the second page, at the

22· ·bottom of the page, in bold, there's a sentence that

23· ·says:· Based on these reviews and studies, the

24· ·following are noted to be pertinent medical facts in

25· ·this case.

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·2· · · · · ·Do you see that?

·3· · · A· · Yes.

·4· · · Q· · Pertinent medical facts, you see that

·5· ·phrase?

·6· · · A· · Yes.

·7· · · Q· · And pertinent medical fact identified by

·8· ·Dr. Parmar on the next page, number 3, reads:

·9· ·Dr. Ray Harron has evaluated a chest x-ray dated

10· ·September 11th, 2001, and he notes small irregular

11· ·opacities in lower and mid lung zones with a

12· ·profusion of 1-2.· He also notes diffused right and

13· ·left pleural thickening.· A narrative concludes that

14· ·the bilateral pleural disease is consistent with

15· ·asbestos-related disease.

16· · · · · ·Do you see that?

17· · · A· · Yes.

18· · · Q· · Okay.· And Dr. Parmar thought that that was

19· ·a pertinent fact, correct?

20· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Object to form.

21· · · · · ·You can answer it.

22· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Correct.

23· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· No more questions.

24· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· Anyone else?

25· · · · · ·MR. ASSAF:· For the record, we skipped

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·2· ·Exhibit 155.

·3· · · · · ·MR. KUZMIN:· And we'll read and sign.

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·5· ·the deposition of Sheila Elaine Ware was concluded

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·4· ·I have read and examined the foregoing testimony,

·5· ·and the same is a true, correct and complete

·6· ·transcription of the testimony given by me, and any

·7· ·corrections appear on the attached Errata sheet

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·1· · ·CERTIFICATE OF SHORTHAND REPORTER-NOTARY PUBLIC

·2· · · · · I, Joan V. Cain, Court Reporter, the officer

·3· ·before whom the foregoing deposition was taken, do

·4· ·hereby certify that Sheila Elaine Ware personally

·5· ·appeared before me on April 17, 2018 and was duly

·6· ·sworn; that the foregoing transcript is a true and

·7· ·correct record of the testimony given; that said

·8· ·testimony was taken by me stenographically and

·9· ·thereafter reduced to typewriting under my

10· ·direction; that reading and signing was requested;

11· ·and that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor

12· ·employed by any of the parties to this case and have

13· ·no interest, financial or otherwise, in its outcome.

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