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7 NATIONAL INDIAN GAMING COMMISSION MEETING

8 HELD ON OCTOBER 23, 2012, BEGINNING AT 9:12 A.M.

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10 QUAPAW, OKLAHOMA

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25 REPORTED BY: Cheryl J. O'Meilia, C.S.R.

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1 PROCEEDINGS

2 MR. LITTLE: We're going to get started

3 here. My name is Dan Little. I'm the associate

4 commissioner here with the National Gaming

5 Commission. I welcome you all to this -- the

6 wonderful Downstream Casino. I want to start off

7 by introducing Barbara Collier here, with

8 Downstream and the Quapaw Tribe, to make some

9 introductions.

10 MS. COLLIER: Morning, everybody.

11 ATTENDEES: Morning.

12 MS. COLLIER: Good morning, everybody.

13 ATTENDEES: Good morning.

14 MS. COLLIER: It's really wonderful to

15 have you all here to be at our beautiful facility.

16 We like to have guests and -- and make you all feel

17 like you're really something special. If that

18 doesn't happen and you happen to have a complaint,

19 just see the guy with the yellow shirt.

20 This morning we have the vice chairman of

21 our business committee, Thomas Matthews, and I'd

22 like to introduce him to give you all a few words

23 and then we'll turn it over to the NIGC. Again,

24 welcome, and we hope you can all stay for the

25 meetings tomorrow and the next day for OTGRA, but

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1 if not, well, we're really glad that you were here.

2 MR. MATTHEWS: I'd like to welcome

3 everybody here. We like to see you. Thank you for

4 coming to do this and all the tribal leaders and

5 everybody who has come here today for this, you

6 know, to our beautiful facility. Like we said,

7 we're very proud of it and like to welcome all the

8 guests and hope you enjoy your stay or your time

9 here and hopefully you'll be here for the meetings

10 tomorrow and the next day if you can make it.

11 They're very informative and good. I hope today is

12 a very beneficial day for everybody and I'd like to

13 thank everybody for coming and enjoy your day.

14 Well, we have refreshments and everything, so make

15 it a good day and thanks, NIGC. And they're here

16 to see what we can get accomplished, so.

17 MR. LITTLE: Thank you, Mr. Matthews and

18 thank you, Barbara. Like I said, my name is Dan

19 Little, I'm with the National Gaming Commission.

20 I'm the associate commissioner. It's hard to

21 believe, but I'm actually quickly coming up on the

22 end of my three-year term on the Commission. I was

23 appointed in April of 2010 by Secretary Salazar and

24 I can't tell you how quickly this -- this term has

25 really gone by. But I tell you, it's very exciting

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1 to be out while -- I guess, consulting on a

2 strategic plan might seem kind of boring. It's

3 very exciting to get back out to Indian Country and

4 -- and see all of you. It is obviously a very nice

5 treat to come and visit Downstream. I -- I've

6 known Barbara and Tom and -- and Chairman Berry and

7 many other members of the tribe for a long time,

8 including your assistant general manager, Jamie

9 Cummings, who is from Foxwoods, from where I -- I

10 come from, so I've always wanted to get out here

11 and I'm -- I'm very glad that we were able to make

12 it -- make this -- this work. I know there was

13 some issues with the construction, but as all of

14 you know, all from Oklahoma, if Barbara gets her

15 mind on something it's going to happen and she did,

16 so I want to thank you very much, Barbara, because

17 without you it -- we wouldn't be at -- we'd be at

18 the Holiday Inn down the street, so --

19 MS. COLLIER: Thank you.

20 MR. LITTLE: -- thank you --

21 MS. COLLIER: Yes.

22 MR. LITTLE: -- very much.

23 MS. COLLIER: We're glad it worked out.

24 MR. LITTLE: Yes, thank you.

25 MS. COLLIER: By the way, before I forget,

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1 Jamie wants to see you while you're here.

2 MR. LITTLE: I will definitely see her,

3 yes, thank you.

4 First, I want to send regards on behalf of

5 Chairwoman Stevens and Vice Chairman Cochran.

6 Neither of them could be here. They're -- they're

7 in D.C. doing many of the important things that the

8 Commission does. I also want to recognize some of

9 our -- our staff that we have with us here. Next

10 to me is Sarah Walters, she's counselor to the

11 Chair. Across the table is Dawn Houle, she's our

12 -- our new chief of staff. Next to her is Nicole

13 Peveler and she's with our audit division. And

14 then also from our -- our Tulsa region, we have Tim

15 Harper, he's a regional director behind me here.

16 Brian Moody, he -- I think he was out front. Cara

17 Simmons -- Brian's in the back of the room, sorry.

18 Cara and Christina Jannisen.

19 MR. HARPER: Jamison.

20 MR. LITTLE: Jamison, I'm sorry. They're

21 from our Oklahoma reg- -- our Tulsa region.

22 Also, if -- you probably are aware, we

23 have a transcriptionist here. Her name is Cheryl.

24 Just a little housekeeping, if you're going to

25 speak please state your name and the organization.

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1 Hey, there's Janie in the back. Hi.

2 MS. COLLIER: I started to say, "There's

3 Janie."

4 MR. LITTLE: There's Janie.

5 All right. So if you're going to speak at

6 the mike, please state your name and your

7 organization.

8 Next I'd like to kind of go around the

9 room and maybe do some introduction. There's some

10 -- there's some empty seats here at the table and

11 invite anybody to come up -- come up and sit. I

12 know a lot of times we think it's for tribal

13 leaders, but, you know, the Commission recognizes

14 that the tribe -- tribal council are elected

15 officials, have a lot of priorities and they may

16 designate someone else to speak on their behalf.

17 So if you are a tribal designee please come to the

18 table and -- and -- and sit up here.

19 Otherwise, I would like -- maybe we can

20 get one of the staff members to grab a mike and if

21 they're -- I guess they're not really wireless.

22 Maybe -- yeah, we do have a wireless mike. We can

23 go around the room and -- and do some introduction.

24 We can start over here next to Dawn.

25 MR. JOHNSON: I'm Nelson Johnson, I'm a

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1 Muscogee Creek Nation gaming commissioner.

2 MS. HUBER: Good morning. I'm Bernadette

3 Huber. I'm with the Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma Gaming

4 Commission.

5 MR. KETCHUM: Dee Ketchum, past chief of

6 the Delaware Tribe.

7 CHIEF FOLLIS: Chief Bill Follis, Modoc

8 Tribe.

9 CHIEF FROMAN: Chief John Froman, Peoria

10 Tribe.

11 MR. STEVENS: Granthum Stevens, Pawnee

12 Nation, Oklahoma.

13 MS. LASH: Robin Lash, Miami Tribe.

14 MR. WOOD: Richard Wood, Seneca-Cayuga

15 gaming commissioner.

16 CHIEF HARJO: Leonard Harjo, Principal

17 Chief of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma.

18 MS. PENZ: Paula Penz, Choctaw Gaming

19 Commission.

20 MS. MORAGA: Sheila Moraga, Oklahoma

21 Indian Gaming Association.

22 MS. IMPSON: Lisa Impson, Chickasaw Nation

23 Division of Commerce.

24 MR. LITTLEAXE: Troy LittleAxe, Modoc

25 Gaming Commission.

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1 MR. REEDY: Chris Reedy, Butler National.

2 MS. KETCHUM: Annette Ketchum, Delaware,

3 from Bartlesville, Oklahoma.

4 MS. COBB: Judy Cobb, Modoc Tribe.

5 MS. HOMER: Elizabeth Lohah Homer, Homer

6 Law.

7 MR. MORGAN: Matthew Morgan, Chickasaw

8 Nation gaming commissioner.

9 MR. HICKMAN: Bill Hickman, Hickman Law

10 Group. We represent Delaware Nation.

11 MS. BUSBY: Kay Busby, Delaware Gaming

12 Commission.

13 MS. TRUMBLA: Rhonda Trumbla, Cherokee

14 Nation Gaming Commission.

15 MR. MCCLELLAN: Eagle McClellan, Iowa

16 Tribe of Oklahoma Gaming Commission.

17 MR. COOK: David Cook, Iowa Tribe Gaming

18 Commission.

19 MR. GUNTER: Alan Gunter, Iowa Tribe

20 Oklahoma Gaming Commission.

21 MR. MCCOSTA: Justin McCosta, Iowa Tribe

22 Gaming Commission.

23 MS. RUPPERT: Lara Ruppert, Fort Sill

24 Apache Gaming Commission.

25 MR. CAMPBELL: Ray Campbell, with Hobbs,

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1 Straus & Walker.

2 MS. CUMMINGS: Jamie Cummings, assistant

3 general manager, Downstream. Welcome.

4 MR. LITTLE: Okay. Great. Thank you,

5 everyone, and welcome. I -- I -- I think it's

6 appropriate -- I want to make a couple of special

7 welcomes. We have a former vice chair of the NIGC,

8 Liz Homer over there, so I want to thank you for

9 coming today. It's always a treat to have former

10 commissioners here.

11 And then also we had two rules that went

12 final on Monday. That was the Part 547, the

13 technical standards for Class 2 Gaming and the

14 minimum internal control standards, that's Part

15 543, for Class 2. And we -- in order to get those

16 rules to a final, we did -- we did assemble a

17 tribal advisory committee and I know Robin Lash was

18 a member of that -- that TAC and so was Matt Morgan

19 and I want to say thank you to both of you for --

20 for coming along and congratulate you both on

21 helping us get that -- get those rules final, so I

22 want to say thank you to -- to all of you.

23 As we are kind of moving forward to

24 discuss the strategic plan, it's always a good idea

25 to kind of look back at where we got to, not

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1 necessarily just at this -- the plan, but our

2 consultation. And I know the Commission has spoke

3 many times about Executive Order 13175 and that was

4 a -- that was established by President Clinton. It

5 was reaffirmed by President Bush and -- and -- and

6 President Obama. But it basically instructs the

7 agencies that whenever we're making any kind of

8 regulatory changes or issues of major import that

9 affects Indian tribes, that we need to consult with

10 you. Now, all of us on the Commission; the chair,

11 the vice chair and myself, prior to coming to work

12 in these positions, we -- we worked for tribal

13 governments, so we understand the issues that a lot

14 of you face. And I know one of the big issues that

15 -- that I always recognize and I think what

16 concerned a lot of the tribes was that you never

17 knew what was going to happen with a commission,

18 that oftentimes you'd wake up on Monday morning and

19 there would be something new in the federal

20 register. So we committed right off the bat that

21 we were going to stick to Executive Order 13175.

22 We're going to talk and we're going to discuss

23 issues with tribes before we make any major changes

24 or -- or any -- any moves. We did that with the

25 regulatory review and I -- I hope folks realize

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1 that that was -- it was successful because of that.

2 We -- we -- we -- before we moved forward on -- on

3 our regulation, we put out drafts, so there were

4 many opportunities for comments and many

5 opportunities for input and I think we -- the end

6 result was -- was a very positive process and we

7 did get some good regulations. So we'll continue

8 with this strategic plan in those same -- in that

9 same concept. That we're going to discuss these

10 issues we have for you today, the -- a draft

11 strategic plan that, you know, being consistent,

12 we're going to talk about this. We're going to get

13 your input and ideas before we move forward through

14 the formal process.

15 Now, a little history about the strategic

16 plan. And I'm very -- very excited to see so many

17 people here today. This is the -- the -- the

18 fourth and last of our consultations. We did -- we

19 were down in Florida, we did one in the Portland,

20 Oregon region and then we also did one in Las

21 Vegas. By far, this is the best attendance, so I

22 want to thank all of you folks for being here. I

23 know this is not a very exciting topic, it really

24 isn't. And, you know, I -- I think after the third

25 consultation, I was kind of saying why are we doing

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1 this thing? And then I have to look in the mirror

2 and say, well, it's your fault because I was

3 working for a tribe back in 2006 when -- when we

4 pushed Congress to include NIGC's compliance with

5 GPRA and that's Government Performance Results Act.

6 I'm looking at Nicole because she always corrects

7 me if I get that wrong. But it basically requires

8 us to do a strategic plan and it requires us to

9 consult with tribes and -- and we're doing that

10 here. I think as you read through the draft

11 strategic plan you'll -- you'll realize it's --

12 we're -- we're -- basically what we've been doing

13 over the last four years, we've -- we have

14 identified four priorities that we've talked about

15 many, many times; consultation relationship

16 building, training and technical assistance, agency

17 operations and regulatory review. We're taking

18 those and we're basically putting them into our --

19 our strategic plan and we're developing goals and

20 measurements so that you all can say -- or you can

21 look and see how well you're doing, so -- but we're

22 going to talk a lot more about that.

23 Dawn and Nicole are going to walk us

24 through a PowerPoint presentation that will explain

25 all the areas about it and -- and they'll talk

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1 about it a lot more. So before I turn it over to

2 them, I just want to go over a couple more things.

3 We're scheduled to go, I think, until 1:00 o'clock

4 today. We have not gone more than probably an hour

5 or hour and a half at any of the consultations, so

6 I would imagine we will not go until 1:00 o'clock

7 today. So if we end early -- if we get to a point

8 where there's no more questions, we will -- we will

9 probably end; all right?

10 Like I said earlier, Cheryl is -- is the

11 transcriptionist. She'll be taking down everything

12 that we say because it will be posted on our

13 website in a couple of weeks. So if there's

14 anything you miss, you know, you -- you can go back

15 there and you can reference those later. Like I

16 said, if you do speak and we hope you do speak, you

17 do state your name and your organization for the

18 record.

19 This is a government-to-government

20 consultation. It's -- it's not open to the media

21 or the public. It's between the -- the National

22 Indian Gaming Commission and tribal governments.

23 And then I want to make a reminder that

24 the deadline to submit your -- your comments is

25 October 31st, so -- and in -- in -- you know, as

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1 we've talked about with the regulatory review

2 process, the Commission fully reviews all of your

3 comments and that was another area where I was --

4 we were out, in the beginning, saying, yeah, we're

5 going to read all your comments, until you flood us

6 with hundreds and hundreds of comments during the

7 reg review, but actually it was really good. It

8 was a good educational process and -- and I did

9 enjoy reading them all. You know, taking back to

10 my experience working with Mashantucket Pequot, I

11 remember when issues came before the Department of

12 the Interior or the National Indian Gaming

13 Commission, the great, you know, tribal

14 associations like OIGA or NIGA would send out draft

15 form letters and say, hey, send in this letter to

16 the Commission and tell them that you're displeased

17 and very often I would take the letter and put our

18 name on it and get the tribal council member to

19 sign it and we would send it in. One of the things

20 I was very, very surprised and I was happily

21 surprised was during the regulatory review process,

22 especially during the -- the mix and the technical

23 standards, while these same associations did send

24 out these form letters, tribes didn't just put

25 their name on it, they actually sent in very good,

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1 thoughtful, specific comments. And I can't tell

2 you how much I appreciate that because we took

3 those comments and they directly affected the

4 drafts and you will see the -- the comments that we

5 heard from tribes reflected in the final rules that

6 came out on Monday. So I want to thank all of you.

7 You set the bar pretty high, so any comments that

8 we see we're going to be expecting some really

9 good, poignant comments. So I do appreciate that.

10 I want to thank you for the effort. I know it's

11 not easy. I know tribes spend a lot of money to

12 participate in these consultations and I want to

13 thank you on behalf of the Commission for -- for

14 that commitment.

15 So with that, I'm going to be -- before I

16 turn it over to Dawn, is there any tribes that have

17 any opening statements that you need on the record?

18 I know sometimes you have other -- you have time

19 constraints that you're under. If you have -- if

20 you need to make an opening statement for the

21 Commission you can do that now and then we'll move

22 forward with the PowerPoint. So does anybody have

23 anything they'd like to say to start us off with?

24 (No response).

25 MR. LITTLE: Okay. If you have questions

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1 you don't need to wait until the end, you can, you

2 know, raise your hand. Tim will get you a mike and

3 you can make a comment. Or if you prefer, you can

4 -- you can wait to the end of the presentation and

5 you can make your comments.

6 So with that, I'm going to turn it over to

7 Dawn.

8 MS. HOULE: Thank you, Dan.

9 Good morning, everybody, it's nice to be

10 in Oklahoma again. Good to see some friendly

11 faces.

12 I am from Rocky Boy, Montana. I'm

13 Chippewa Cree. And this is about my, I don't know,

14 couple weeks on the job as Chief of Staff, but I

15 was the previous Deputy Chief of Staff, so I'm not

16 new to NIGC, but new in this position. So I'm not

17 Paxton Myers, for those that know him. We're sorry

18 to have lost him, but he took a fabulous job with

19 his tribe and we're really excited for him. He

20 does stay in contact with us and tease us about all

21 of the luxuries he has as a tribal employee again.

22 So just a little bit about me since most

23 of you may not know me. I have a natural resource

24 background and a self-governance background, so

25 some of the people that are in the audience, that's

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1 definitely how I know them, especially Leonard

2 Harjo. And I've only worked for tribes up until

3 the last couple of years working, then switching to

4 be a federal employee and I worked with Indian

5 Health Service, would be opposite tribal

6 self-governance, and then went and worked for Larry

7 EchoHawk in the Assistant Secretary of Indian

8 Affairs Office and now working with NIGC. So I

9 kind of sampled the waters in D.C. and tried lots

10 of different acts and have been here now for two

11 years, this month, with NIGC. I have a Bachelor's

12 of Science in Forestry, so people are always like,

13 "How did you make the leap to gaming?" Well, I

14 have an MBA in international business and studied

15 in Asia and actually got to go to Macao and go

16 gamble at Sands before it got converted over and

17 definitely wanted to get into the economic

18 development side of -- of what tribes are doing

19 and so I thought gaming might be the best fit, so

20 here I am.

21 So with that, I apologize. In the last

22 meeting, ten minutes and somebody was asleep in the

23 audience. I try not to take it personally, but as

24 -- but as Dan said, this -- this isn't BIA or, you

25 know, Indian Health Service, it's one subject, so

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1 it's not very sexy and exciting, but I'll try to do

2 my best. And I apologize, I'm -- I'm recovering

3 from a little bit of a -- of a cold, so if I lose

4 my voice I'm going to hand it over.

5 For those that don't know our chairwoman,

6 Tracy Stevens, she's a Tulalip Tribal member. And

7 many of you know the local girl, Stephanie Cochran,

8 our vice chairwoman from Chickasaw, and then our

9 associate commissioner, Dan Little. And as Dan

10 highlighted, these are tribal consultation meetings

11 between tribal governments and the federal

12 government. And these meetings are not open to the

13 public, but the public is welcome to provide

14 comments via our website. As Dan highlighted, the

15 Executive Order 13175, we are conducting these in

16 accordance with that and so for time's sake, I

17 don't think I'll read these, but definitely we

18 encourage everybody to give us your comments and we

19 do respect you as tribal nations and -- and the

20 relationship that we have with -- with the

21 government and -- and tribes.

22 The -- this Commission has made it very

23 clear that their commitment to you is that this is

24 going to be a transparent and clear process. We

25 have posted everything that we've done on our

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1 website and it's there available for you to review.

2 All of our consultations are transcribed and so if

3 you want to go and read what the regulations have

4 been doing, those are all on there now and then our

5 last couple ones for the strategic plan will be

6 posted shortly. Written comments and transcripts,

7 like I said, are posted on the website and every

8 comment is reviewed and considered. So as a former

9 forester, we have killed many trees printing out

10 all of the comments from many of the consultations.

11 Luckily, it's a renewable resource, so just plant

12 some more trees.

13 So what is strategic planning? From John

14 M. Bryson's strategic planning in public and

15 non-profit organizations, I think Bullet 2

16 highlights the best of what it is. It's a

17 disciplined effort to -- to produce fundamental

18 decisions and actions that shape and guide what an

19 organization is, what it does and why it does it,

20 with a focus on the future. And so I don't know if

21 I'm blessed or cursed, but every tribe I've worked

22 for, I've been assigned strategic planning. When I

23 went over to work for the Assistant Secretary of

24 Indian Affairs, they said go consult on our

25 strategic planning, so -- so this is my -- my gig,

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1 I guess. I get to do strategic planning and it's

2 been fun, so. Because some of you may recognize

3 me. I've actually done 30 different tribal

4 consultations with DOI's strategic plan two years

5 ago.

6 With that, I'm going to turn it over to

7 one of our team members, Nicole Peveler, who was

8 actually on the last team that created the current

9 plan that we're under right now.

10 So, Nicole.

11 MS. PEVELER: Good morning. My name is

12 Nicole Peveler, formerly Aspa, so if you look at

13 the other tribal consultations you'll see that it

14 was Aspa on the transcripts. I am Navajo and I'm a

15 member of the Colorado River Indian Tribes.

16 This morning what I'm going to go through

17 is going over the various laws that affect our

18 strategic planning and as well as go over a little

19 bit of our -- our current strategic plan that we

20 have. The Government Performance and Results Act

21 of 1993, it was first designed as a pilot project

22 for federal departments and agencies to show a

23 framework of performance planning and reporting of

24 the -- the federal government, to be open to the

25 public, to show that what they're doing is what the

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1 public needs, what their wants are, as well as

2 showing what they plan to do in the future. So the

3 Government Performance and Results Act, GPRA, was

4 first established in 1993, but the first plan was

5 not to be submitted until 1997, after the pilot

6 project went into effect.

7 Now, these were the big -- big federal

8 departments; DOI, DOJ. Those departments, as well

9 as the big independent agencies. It covers six

10 years of planning, with updates every three years.

11 It also required annual performance plans and

12 reports so that the public would know and those

13 that it affected them would know what is the

14 federal government doing.

15 The NIGC was not required to comply with

16 GPRA until the Native American Technical

17 Corrections Act of 2006. So that was enacted by

18 Congress on May 12th of 2006, to require NIGC to

19 comply with GPRA and its reporting structure and it

20 was linked to it because of the -- the requirements

21 on that, as well as OMB Circular A-11 described

22 more of what GPRA's requirements were. It's linked

23 the budgeting process to performance planning. So

24 what it did for NIGC is during that process in --

25 in 2006, is the budget justifications were now

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1 linked to performance planning, to the first

2 strategic plan. So anything within that strategic

3 plan that NIGC identified what their goals and

4 priorities and objectives were, were linked to

5 budget. And that's what OMB Circular A-11 did, is

6 that when you're doing your budget process you also

7 should have to show your performance planning, what

8 you plan to do in the future, what you're currently

9 doing, as well as look to see if you're reporting

10 what worked and what didn't work and what you need

11 to identify to make it work better, so -- and then

12 in -- in January of 2011, the GPRA Modernization

13 Act of 2010 went into effect. Now, what the GPRA

14 Modernization Act did is it modernized the GPRA,

15 because GPRA was very generalized, it was a

16 framework for agencies to work off of. With the

17 Modernization Act, is that it informed agencies and

18 federal departments that they have to set limited

19 goals that are the highest priority of that agency,

20 as well as those goals became the objectives.

21 So if you look at the current existing

22 strategic plan for NIGC, those are very generalized

23 goals and they include a lot of objectives. Well,

24 what this new plan does, in compliance with the

25 Modernization Act, is it made those objectives the

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1 new goals. It made them so that they are clear and

2 concise and specific of what NIGC is going to do.

3 So instead of being generalized, it became more

4 specific. And it also required that the plan and

5 everything that goes in with the plan, the annual

6 performance reporting, the budget linked to

7 performance, any performance plans for upcoming

8 future, that they all be posted to the NIGC

9 website. And if you look at the NIGC website, and

10 I know we're currently reviewing the NIGC website

11 and updating it so that you can find information

12 better. But on the right-hand side, when you first

13 go to NIGC.gov, under news, is the new strategic

14 plan, as well as the meetings, the PowerPoint

15 presentation, everything's on the right-hand side.

16 If you go to the left-hand side of the NIGC.gov,

17 under About Us, GPRA, that's where you'll find the

18 existing strategic plan, as well as this draft

19 strategic plan, as well as past and current budget

20 justifications.

21 So in order to comply with the

22 Modernization Act, that the strategic plans, those

23 budget justifications that contain the annual

24 performance plans, as well as the annual

25 performance reports, are all posted on the NIGC

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1 website.

2 The plan also spoke about that it not be

3 -- not be less than four years, so that's what we

4 did. Instead of going over the six years like we

5 did on the current strategic plan, this draft

6 covers five years. The -- this is our existing

7 strategic plan that we currently have. It goes

8 2009 to 2014. And because of the GPRA

9 Modernization Act, that is one of the reasons that

10 we are updating our -- our strategic plan. And if

11 you look at the draft strategic plan that we're

12 going to go over today, it begins with fiscal year

13 2014. So that's -- our new plan will cover the

14 2014 year and that's when it will go into effect.

15 The existing plan covered six years and it

16 contained, like I said, broad, generalized

17 strategic goals and contains three strategic goals;

18 increase compliance, increase service and maximize

19 use of commission's resources. But it is where

20 those six objectives were, is where it became more

21 specific. So those are what we looked at when

22 drafting this new strategic plan, as well as the

23 commission's priorities, what are their highest

24 priorities. Like we went over earlier, those

25 highest priorities, as well as what those

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1 objectives were in the existing plan, how far along

2 are we in looking at them, in complying with them,

3 in getting those done. So we looked at those to

4 see did we achieve them, did we not achieve them,

5 are we achieving them now, and that went into our

6 new draft strategic plan.

7 I'll hand it over to Dawn and she can go

8 over the current strategic plan.

9 MR. LITTLE: Does anybody have any

10 questions?

11 MS. HOULE: Is everybody awake?

12 So this -- and I apologize, some of this I

13 have to read to you, but I'll try not to. I know

14 that's horribly insulting, but in order to give the

15 good gist of what we're trying to talk to you,

16 there are a few slides that I'll have to -- to

17 read.

18 Our -- the current strategic plan, as we

19 keep highlighting the lines with the commission's

20 four -- four priorities, and I think there were --

21 reading to -- to use -- one, consulting in the

22 relationship building with tribal governments; two,

23 provide technical assistance and training; three,

24 continue regulatory review; and four, reviewing

25 agency internal operations. We then were proposing

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1 to develop strategies to achieve those results, so

2 the new plan also identifies key performance

3 measures. So the current plan talks about outreach

4 to stakeholders is a key part of the process, to

5 gather import -- in- -- input and support for a

6 collaborative effort. The development process

7 steps that we -- that we went through, is there was

8 a team developed, we created, you know, a working

9 session from April to September, those ad hoc

10 meetings and communications developed the proposed

11 plan that we're -- that we're presenting today.

12 Senior -- we presented to senior management in July

13 and September and the draft documents are what

14 we're reviewing today. And then obviously the

15 government -- government consultation meetings were

16 scheduled and now we're in the final step of that.

17 So to give an overview of the differences,

18 as Nicole highlighted, going from broad statements

19 to more specific and meeting the -- the

20 requirements of GPRA, the -- the current mission

21 statement says, "To effectively monitor and

22 participate in the regulation of Indian Gaming

23 pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, in

24 order to promote the integrity of the Indian gaming

25 industry." What we're proposing with the new

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1 strategic plan is that we -- we -- we highlight the

2 -- the -- that the primary mission is to work

3 within the framework created by IGRA for the

4 regulation of gaming activities conducted by tribes

5 on Indian lands, to fully recognize -- or realize

6 IGRA's goals. One, in promoting tribal economic

7 development, self sufficiency and strong tribal

8 governments; two, maintaining the integrity of

9 Indian gaming industry; and three, insuring that

10 tribes are the primary benefactory (sic) --

11 benefact- --

12 AUDIENCE: Beneficiary.

13 MS. HOULE: Thank you. Of their gaming

14 activities. And so, again, highlighting -- well,

15 what does that mean? Well, here's the three --

16 three -- three things that we would highlight. So

17 the vision statement under the current plan talks

18 about, yes, you're the primary benefactory (sic),

19 boy, that word is not working on my tongue today,

20 so I'll skip that, and we -- we expanded the vision

21 statement to read, "To adhere to the principles of

22 good government, including transparency and agency

23 accountability, to promote physical responsibility,

24 to operate with consistency and clarity, to insure

25 fairness in the administration of IGRA and to

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1 respect the capabilities and responsibilities of

2 each sovereign tribal nation in order to fully

3 promote tribal economic development and self

4 sufficiency and strong tribal government." So,

5 again, going from broad statements to a little bit

6 more specifics.

7 The proposed strategic plan that we're

8 offering you today highlights five strategic goals;

9 one, the -- continuing the ACE Compliance and

10 Enforcement Initiative that the Commission, since

11 they've been on board, has talked about, as well as

12 improve technical assistance and training for

13 stakeholders, improve and update NIGC regulations.

14 So if you've done anything with NIGC over the year

15 and a half you know that they took this serious and

16 actually went out and changed the regulations and

17 many of them are going final now. The fourth,

18 improve consultation communication and relationship

19 building with tribal, federal, state regulatory

20 authorities and agencies, as well as increase

21 efficiency, transparency and accountability.

22 What we're also offering in the proposed

23 strategic plan, in establishing those strat- --

24 strategies, is to focus more on the strategic goals

25 that were -- that the -- the Commission has

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1 outlined, expressing those priorities. They

2 highlighted four of them. Implementing the vision

3 and identifying immediate issues, which many tribes

4 are not shy about expressing, so we definitely take

5 those seriously. And identifying core agency

6 processes for improvement, how do we meet the

7 demands of those issues and be accountable to the

8 tribes. We outlined 12 strategies developed to --

9 to represent critical links between planning and

10 implementation and describe how the agency would

11 achieve each of those goals.

12 What we're -- what we're proposing in this

13 strategic plan is that the measures are actually

14 meaningful; are they meaningful to us, are they

15 meaningful to the tribe. Are they measurable. Why

16 are we doing what we're doing, if we -- we're not

17 tracking this. What are we routinely collecting;

18 again, is that measurable, is it meaningful to

19 anybody and is it useful. And so as you look

20 through the actual guts of the written document

21 you'll see we tried highlighting a lot of that and

22 making sure that we're meeting the key performance

23 measures.

24 We're also proposing that agency will

25 focus on key measures to guide success in achieving

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1 strategic plan goals through short-term and

2 long-term actions. Clearly, we can't do it all, so

3 what can we do immediately and what can we do over

4 the next four years. So Goal 1 that we're

5 proposing is to continue the ACE Initiative. This

6 increases the availability of technical assistance

7 for -- I know a lot of tribes, some are just now

8 coming into gaming, some have been in gaming for 20

9 years. Their needs are very different, and so

10 we're -- we're offering right now a variety of

11 mixes and we're working on creating curriculum that

12 meets -- meets the variety of interest in gaming,

13 whether you're just thinking about it or whether or

14 not you've just started or whether or not you've

15 been in it 20 years.

16 And so we're also talking about providing

17 timely responses to tribes on audit findings. We

18 spend a lot of time at your facility, it only seems

19 fair and -- and makes sense that we should be

20 responsive in a timely manner so you can take

21 corrective action immediately. We're also

22 proposing that we continue to conduct site visits

23 and audit evaluations, with a particular focus on

24 improvements in tribal internal control systems, to

25 maintain the integrity of the gaming industry.

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1 So in a -- in a comparison to what

2 currently exists, on the left-hand -- or left-hand

3 side, so that side; correct?

4 MS. PEVELER: Yes.

5 MS. HOULE: And is the existing -- and you

6 guys get the new improved slides because we could

7 not get those lines in our PowerPoint until now, so

8 this is actually new for -- if you looked at it

9 last week it wasn't there. This week we actually

10 got some lines in there to help the reader read

11 this, so we definitely have IT issues that we tried

12 to work -- work within our means. So one thing I

13 do miss about tribes, that most of them have the

14 most latest, greatest IT and NIGC does not, so we

15 work with what we got.

16 So anyways, so the -- the existing

17 strategies talked, again, very broad. Let's insure

18 tribes meet prerequisites to gaming under IGRA. If

19 it's blank on the right-hand side, under the

20 current draft, that's stuff that we've already

21 achieved or we're currently going to continue to

22 do. So the blanks mean they've -- that we're do23 -- NIGC has done it or is doing it.

24 So under the existing plan, it talks about

25 conduct uniform and consistent monitoring

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1 activities. Well, we -- we're saying let's expand

2 that and conduct site visits and audits, like I had

3 read before, focusing on improvement, so let's be

4 specific about that.

5 1.1.3, perform regulatory enforcement

6 actions. We're currently doing that, so it's --

7 it's a blank, and we'll continue to do that.

8 The next one, provide formal and informal

9 guidance. Those are broad statements. We're

10 saying let's increase the availability of technical

11 assistance and so that is very clear of who we're

12 going to give it to and -- and the availability of

13 that -- of that technical assistance, as needed by

14 the tribes.

15 And then the third, improve external

16 submission response time at headquarters. We

17 expanded it and what we're proposing is provide

18 timely responses on findings to adequately allow

19 time for corrective action. So hopefully it's --

20 you know, we're trying to give a real good picture

21 of those broad statements moving more into

22 specifics and how we would achieve those.

23 So Goal 2; improve technical assistance in

24 training for stakeholders. This is -- we'll

25 provide guidance and technical assistance and

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1 training and other forms of assistance to build and

2 sustain the -- the capability to prevent, respond

3 to and recover from weaknesses in internal controls

4 and violation of IGRA and NIGC regulations. So

5 that's what we're proposing under Goal 2, as well

6 as provide opportunities for tribes located within

7 all NIGC regions to participate in training.

8 So I come from the middle of nowhere in

9 Montana and I think we should continue -- what

10 we're proposing is those tribes that are in the

11 middle of nowhere, let's go out to you. We

12 shouldn't be focusing on I-5 corridors or main

13 freeways or bigger tribes. Everybody needs

14 resources and that's our job, is to go out and

15 reach out to you. So that's what we're proposing

16 under this plan. And if you looked at our training

17 agenda, our staff has definitely traveled to some

18 locations that takes -- takes us a while to get to,

19 but, hey, that's where Indian Country is, so we

20 should reach out to you.

21 So Goal 2; the comparison under the

22 existing plan, it talks about provide

23 formal/informal guidance. Well, we're expanding

24 that to say what I just read, provide guidance and

25 technical assistance and training to recover from

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1 weaknesses in internal controls.

2 So under the next bullet, establish and

3 implement training programs, we're currently doing

4 that. I think there's only less than four or five

5 tribes that have not taken an NIGC training over

6 the last 20 years, so everybody should be fully

7 aware that we have training programs. We are

8 continuing to expand that, like I was talking about

9 briefly. And if you don't know about our training

10 or technical assistance programs please see Tim and

11 he'll show you how to get on our website and

12 request training. So, again, it's blank, we've

13 achieved that, we're currently doing it and we'll

14 continue to do that.

15 And then under the existing plan, it talks

16 about provide applicant background and information

17 to the tribal gaming agencies. We do that. We're

18 achieving that. If you're not on our TAP System,

19 which is Tribal Access Portal System, again, please

20 see Tim. We provide background information,

21 whatever is available to you is available --

22 whatever is available to us is available to you.

23 So I think we have a pretty good -- almost

24 everybody's part of that system. If you're not

25 familiar with it, again, Tim is your -- is your

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1 man. And so what we did -- what we're proposing

2 under the current -- under the draft plan is let's

3 expand that to provide opportunities for tribes

4 within all NIGC regions. So hopefully this is

5 making sense.

6 So Goal 3; improve and update the NIGC's

7 regulations. Definitely, we've been in a

8 fast-track and over the year and a half, that the

9 Commission has been consulting with tribes. We've

10 -- we've done quite a bit in this area and so now

11 under the proposed strategic plan, we need to

12 actually implement those. We need to finalize them

13 and we need to continue to review and revise

14 regulations as they're developed through the

15 regulatory review process. This is an evolving

16 industry. We want to make sure that we're

17 responsive in keeping track and meeting the needs

18 of the industry. So the existing plan talks about

19 promulgate regulations as necessary. We're

20 proposing the draft language that I just read;

21 finalize and implement knew and revised regulations

22 developed through the regulatory review process.

23 MS. COLLIER: Dawn?

24 MS. HOULE: Yes?

25 MS. COLLIER: I noticed one thing I felt

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1 like, as a regulator, frontline regulator, that's

2 missing in this Number 3 goal, is intergovernmental

3 collaboration and dialogue with tribes and

4 frontline regulatory people. In the past several

5 years, my -- in my opinion, that's been very impl6 -- you know, implemented a couple of times and it's

7 been very productive, especially three years ago,

8 four years ago, when the technical assistance

9 regulations were divided from some of the

10 regulatory process. People took it upon

11 themselves, a collaboration of companies -- gaming

12 companies, regulators, operators, casino operators,

13 gaming operators from different fields met together

14 on several occasions and went through those

15 technical standards and regulations at that time

16 line by line, just like the TAC committee just got

17 through doing on some of the regulations this year.

18 And that has definitely been left out of this goal.

19 It was very successful then, three years ago. I

20 believe it would have been very successful and was

21 very successful this year and I think as tribes and

22 regulators we would like see that included.

23 MS. HOULE: Okay. Good comment. Do you

24 --

25 MR. LITTLE: No, that's a good point.

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1 It's always -- always a good reminder that we need

2 to make sure we are out there and meeting with the

3 community that's affected, so thank you.

4 MS. COLLIER: Thank you.

5 MS. HOULE: So the final goal that we're

6 proposing is to improve consultation, communication

7 and relationship building with tribal, federal,

8 state regulatory authorities and our agencies. And

9 how are we going to do that? We're proposing the

10 -- the following three strategies; conduct

11 consultations with tribes on N- -- NIGC proposals

12 for regulations. We're making legislation

13 guidance, policy formulation or action that may

14 have a substantial direct affect on one or more

15 tribes on the relationship between tribes and the

16 federal government or on the distribution of power

17 and responsibilities between tribes and the federal

18 government. I think that was worthwhile reading to

19 you, so I apologize.

20 But the -- the second one is definitely

21 under the Open Government Initiative. NIGC has

22 certain responsibilities underneath that and so we

23 have to comply with that, as well as -- which

24 includes improving the NIGC website so that we are

25 providing the -- the agency's works and what we do

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1 and -- and informing the -- the public, as well as

2 the tribes.

3 And the third is coordinate and

4 collaborate with tribal, federal, state regulatory

5 authorities and agencies using a variety of

6 mechanisms. What I've highlighted here is one of

7 the things that -- that we're currently doing, is

8 we're trying to partner with the Department of

9 Interior on their IT service since they just spent

10 several million dollars updating their IT. And as

11 an independent federal regulatory agency of the

12 Department of Interior, we're trying to partner

13 with them where we might be able to use some of

14 their purchasing power to actually update some of

15 our software using their big agreement versus our

16 little bitty, tiny speck of an agreement.

17 Also, providing more web access. They

18 have a DOI Learn System that reaches every tribe

19 that they work with and maybe partnering with them

20 in order to reach more tribes, where -- so we can

21 reach all aspects of Indian Country. And if the

22 tribe has the capability of signing onto a website,

23 we can then link up with the Department of

24 Interior's Learn, DOI Learn, and share more

25 resources on a web base instead of us coming to the

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1 reservation and saving not only agency resources,

2 but tribal resources as well.

3 And one of the concerns that other tribes

4 have talked about, that if we do that, will the

5 data be safe? Yes, the -- and the Inspector

6 General is part of the Department of Interior.

7 They keep a separate server, a separate access to

8 only their data and so if we end up do -- you know,

9 we do anything with the Department of Interior,

10 that definitely your information will be secure

11 from anybody going in and utilizing it without

12 authorization. So those are some of the examples

13 of what that would mean.

14 So Goal 4, under the existing plan, talks

15 about improving the government-to-government

16 consultation process. We're proposing, under the

17 draft plan, that we expand that to what I had read

18 earlier about conducting consultations with tribes

19 on NIGC proposals for regulations and so on. The

20 existing plan talks about improve and expand

21 internal communications. Like I read previously,

22 we're proposing that we implement the NIGC's

23 responsibilities under the Open Government

24 Initiative, as defined by the Office of Management

25 and Budget's Open Government Directive of 2009.

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1 And improve the NIGC's website to provide

2 information about agencies and its work, as well as

3 coordinate and collaborate with tribal and federal,

4 state regulatory authorities.

5 I said 4 was final, sorry. The last one,

6 Goal 5, increase efficiency, transparency and

7 accountability. One of the responsibilities as a

8 federal agency is we have to update and further

9 develop our policies to enhance the agency's

10 employees ability to perform their jobs

11 effectively. So we're proposing that we -- that we

12 add that into the strategic plan, as well as

13 implement and monitor a performance measurement

14 system to enhance employee performance, as well as

15 develop and maintain more integrated information

16 systems and processes that support NIGC staff and

17 functions. And this highlights, again, the DOI

18 Learn, of how do we better reach tribes, especially

19 those that are in remote areas and have limited

20 resources, using whatever partnerships that we can,

21 with federal -- existing federal agencies.

22 So as a quick review, enhance fiscal

23 discipline and transparency to -- to stakeholders.

24 That's blank because we're -- we -- we have a

25 budget process. We have a new budget system. It's

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1 not new, but I guess new to me, but -- and we'll

2 continue to do that with the -- the Department of

3 Interior. As the -- their business center evolves,

4 we have to evolve. It's just part of being a

5 federal agency.

6 Improve and expand internal

7 communications. We've -- we're doing that. We're

8 posting things on the website. So, again, the

9 blank spots mean we're -- we've achieved that or

10 we're currently doing it.

11 Under the existing plan, it talks about

12 develop and implement technol- -- technol- --

13 technological resources. We're proposing to expand

14 that. That says develop and maintain more

15 integrated information systems and processes to

16 support the NIGC staff and our -- and the functions

17 that we do to serve the tribes.

18 Under the existing plan, it talks about

19 develop and implement policies and procedures,

20 including internal compliance programs. What we're

21 proposing under the -- the draft plan, is update

22 and further develop policies that enhance agency

23 employees' ability to perform their jobs

24 effectively.

25 Under the existing plan, it talks about

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1 establish employee development programs. We're

2 saying let's implement and monitor a performance

3 measurement system to enhance the employee

4 performance.

5 And the final strategy under the existing

6 plan talks about encourage Native American cultural

7 awareness. One of the things that this agen- --

8 this Commission has done is that we've highlighted

9 all the cultures and especially Native Americans,

10 given that there are several that are on the staff.

11 And a couple years ago, right when I got here, we

12 -- every tribal member that was on staff, we sent

13 out a greeting, how do you say hello or a natural

14 greeting and sent it to the entire agency just,

15 one, for the awareness that you are working with

16 Native Americans, that we actually do exist. We

17 still have quite a road to go, but we have other

18 very diverse staff at NIGC and so we've highlighted

19 those and every month we try to encourage cultural

20 richness regardless of where the -- where the

21 culture is coming from. And so we do have a very

22 active events committee, I guess, is the best way

23 we can do. And one way that we try to engage the

24 field is that we'll send resources out of different

25 events that are happening within the region and

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1 encourage them to seek out their own -- their own

2 events. And, definitely, there's a lot going on.

3 And so we do have a -- a good diversity program and

4 we continue to try to highlight not only the Native

5 American culture, but all cultures within the

6 agency.

7 So if you're still awake the next steps

8 are, we've just completed this tribal consultation.

9 During the month of -- of November we'll revise the

10 plan based on tribal comments received and then in

11 November and December, we have to finalize the plan

12 and submit it to OMB. In January, then, based on

13 the comments we receive back from OMB, we have to

14 revise the plan again. And then in February we

15 have to submit that plan to Congress. So it's a

16 pretty fast track. There's not a lot of wiggle

17 room here, but those are the -- those are the --

18 the plan we have to stick with. Once the plan is

19 finalized, once you guys are fine with this plan,

20 we'll develop action steps to actually implement it

21 and we'll develop an agency and a performance plan,

22 as well as the plan will be reviewed and progress

23 reports submitted in the annual NIGC budget

24 justification.

25 And like Nicole highlighted, if you want

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1 to see last year's or the last plan it is on our

2 website and it was a little troublesome to find and

3 we tried to make it easier, so like we highlighted,

4 it's under GPRA, on the left-hand side of our

5 website.

6 MS. WALTERS: Dawn?

7 MS. HOULE: Our comment period closes

8 October 31st.

9 MS. WALTERS: Maybe you could talk about

10 where they could find our budget justification.

11 MS. HOULE: So she -- like she

12 highlighted, under GPRA, on the left-hand side, go

13 to GPRA or plan and then it's right at the very

14 next tab underneath that. It's about us, GPRA, and

15 then it's right underneath that. So three clicks.

16 One of the things that's throwing people

17 for a loop, too, we call it a budget justification,

18 Congress calls it the green book. So if you see

19 the green book, they're synonymous, they're the

20 same -- same thing. So --

21 MR. LITTLE: And in Congress' great

22 wisdom, the book is green. We call it the green

23 book.

24 MS. HOULE: Yes.

25 So -- so I apologize I had to read to you,

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1 but we hope that you submit some comments and if

2 you -- and draft.plans@nigc.gov is everything you

3 -- you need to submit your comments and that's

4 monitored and updated daily.

5 Okay. So if you want to see the -- the

6 transcript for the Florida, that has been posted

7 under tribal consultation. So if you're really

8 excited about reading this again it's on there from

9 -- from Florida. Thank you very much for your time

10 today.

11 MR. LITTLE: Okay. That was --

12 MS. HOULE: Any questions?

13 MR. LITTLE: That was exciting. You know,

14 I -- and I'm sure -- I'm sure Barbara was cringing.

15 I heard some construction noise here, but I think

16 that crane has actually made Dawn go faster, so

17 that's about the fastest she's gotten through it.

18 But, you know, Barbara, I tell you, the

19 construction is exciting because it shows that this

20 industry is thriving and successful and that --

21 that IGRA is working the way intended and so any

22 time you come to a tribal gaming facility and you

23 see cranes, that's a good thing, regardless if our

24 -- our meetings are, you know -- you know, affected

25 in any way, it's a good thing, so I'm -- I'm very

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2 MS. COLLIER: There was a little pounding.

3 Not like last week, though.

4 MR. LITTLE: No, exactly. Exactly.

5 MS. WALTERS: Well, it will help keep

6 people awake.

7 MS. COLLIER: I -- I couldn't figure out

8 how somebody could hammer that many times without

9 stopping.

10 MR. LITTLE: So does anybody have any

11 questions they'd like to start us off with? I

12 think we have somebody in the audience here, so go

13 right ahead. Just remember to state your name and

14 your organization, please.

15 MR. HICKMAN: Yes, Bill Hickman, Hickman

16 Law Group, and we're with the Delaware Nation and I

17 just had sort of a general comment and maybe a

18 recommendation for you to consider. It really goes

19 to Goals 2 and 4 in the strategies, implementing

20 those goals. I didn't hear anything in the

21 discussion or in the PowerPoint about the

22 utilization of technology in both the training

23 aspect and in the communications aspect with the

24 tribal governments. And with all the advances in

25 technology that have happened over the years and

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1 that are available to us now, to improve those

2 things, especially with any country being as

3 diverse and spread out as we discussed and you guys

4 being in D.C. and throughout the nation, that would

5 be a more efficient and effective way maybe to

6 promote those two goals from a strategic

7 implementation standpoint, help with training and

8 communicating. And, in particular, with regard to

9 Goal 2 on the training for like our tribe, for

10 example, things like online training where, you

11 know, you can log in and have your whole tribal

12 gaming commission sitting there watching, pre- --

13 maybe a prerecorded training session would be

14 effective for us and, plus, it saves the cost of

15 government to travel, as well as it would cost the

16 tribe to travel. Or even maybe prepackaged DVD's

17 with books. I'm -- I'm a lawyer, so, I mean, from

18 a CLE perspective, you know, we have things like

19 that available to us to utilize. And from a

20 training perspective, as you mentioned, there are

21 so much differences in where the tribes are at and

22 what they need, that a suite of different options

23 that are maybe available online or through, like I

24 said, prepackaged DVD's I think would be very

25 helpful to our tribe and I'm sure to other tribes

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2 MR. LITTLE: I agree. Now, he has a very,

3 very valid point. I think one of the -- one of the

4 reasons I think Dawn kind of lives to talk about

5 the IT transformation, what has occurred over at

6 the agency over the -- a number of -- you know,

7 long term is that we developed our own, I guess,

8 you know, not necessarily policies, but functions

9 for HR, for IT and other -- other aspects. Well,

10 that was fine when the industry was expanding by

11 double digits. Now we've really had to seriously

12 take a look at our budget and we had to look at how

13 we're spending our money and we're finding out, by

14 recreating all those systems, that we can take

15 advantage of what DOI is already doing. We can

16 have some -- some considerable savings.

17 On the IT front, I can't tell you how much

18 we agree with you. I mean, we currently don't have

19 Caller ID at our headquarters in Washington, D.C.

20 We're probably using the same exact phones I think

21 Liz probably put in there. And we tried to add

22 Caller ID and we basically shut down our phone

23 systems for a week. That's how old and antiquated

24 they are. We're looking into some major -- major

25 financial investments --

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1 SPEAKER: Are you calling me antiquated?

2 MR. LITTLE: -- in that, but we want to

3 make --

4 SPEAKER: Are you calling me antiquated?

5 MR. LITTLE: What's that?

6 SPEAKER: I'm not antiquated.

7 MR. LITTLE: That means there's nothing

8 for you, but -- but they are, they're -- they're --

9 they're outdated. And one of the -- one of the

10 ways that we can get the best, you know, costs, I

11 mean, is by partnering with DOI. Like Dawn said,

12 and I'll make this point, I think in a lot of

13 folks, there's a concern about the whole issue with

14 Cobell and it shut down all the -- the computer

15 systems for a long -- it will -- we would have a

16 separate system within, say, their -- their

17 computer room. We would have our own server, our

18 own lines. It would be just utilizing a lot of

19 their technical systems; the help desks, their

20 buying, their procurement, things of that nature.

21 So there's some considerable savings there.

22 On the training and technical assistance

23 front, I couldn't agree with you more. One of the

24 things that we -- we learned during the economic

25 downturn is that one of the first things that

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1 tribes had to cut was training dollars and travel

2 dollars. So we need to -- we need to look for ways

3 to do it better through teleconferencing, there's

4 web access through webinars. Some of the things

5 that Dawn did -- did talk about. Instead of the

6 tribes having to come to the NIGC, how can we bring

7 the training to you and that's what we're looking

8 at.

9 So they're very good points and we'll --

10 maybe we can -- we'll find a way to include these

11 in the -- in the plan. And I'll let Dawn maybe

12 further add.

13 MS. HOULE: The only thing I'd add is that

14 we're actually in the final process of hiring a

15 director of training, a director of public affairs

16 who will work with our training manager and we've

17 been trying, trying, trying to do this and we

18 actually did one online course. The people got

19 either the audio or the visual, can't get both, and

20 so we really try and we struggle, but we have one

21 of the oldest IT systems I've ever seen and I've

22 been to one other federal agency that -- that has

23 actually an older system, so I think we're tied

24 with -- with -- with them on trying to advance.

25 And so any efforts that we're trying, I have worked

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1 really, really hard trying to get this IT agreement

2 with DOI in order to meet the needs of tribes. I

3 mean, it just makes no sense that we're not part of

4 the 21st Century and, I mean, that's kind of the

5 new -- that's not new and why is it new to us, so

6 we're -- we're trying our darnedest to get a lot of

7 that out there. And bear with us, you know,

8 government does not move -- move fast. So it's

9 coming. It is coming, though.

10 MS. COLLIER: Someday we still feel like

11 the autonomy of the NIGC will be kept whole, even

12 though you're amongst the departments of the DOI.

13 MR. LITTLE: Well, we're -- we're an ind14 -- and the -- the way it acts, we're an independent

15 regulatory agency within the Department of

16 Interior. You know, I -- I personally believe our

17 autonomy is our ability to regulate this industry

18 without interference. Does not -- now, on the

19 operation side, we are clearly part of the

20 interior. I was appointed by the Secretary of

21 Interior and I think that goes to the full

22 Commission, so, you know, they play a big role in

23 -- in -- in recommendations to the president for

24 the chair. So I -- I don't believe so. I think it

25 will be -- you know, we're just doing what tribes

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1 have been doing for the last five or six years,

2 just looking at the operation to make sure that

3 we're getting the best value and to make sure that

4 we're doing things most cost effective.

5 Yes, ma'am?

6 MS. HUBER: I'm Bernadette Huber with the

7 Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma. I think that the IT issue

8 is significant enough that it makes me feel kind of

9 bad for our people, that when you say we have one

10 of the most important jobs to do and we have the

11 poorest IT. I think it might be important enough

12 to even make it a goal that -- that -- that your

13 agency be mandated to have the most current

14 technology. In fact, that's what we're using in

15 our casinos. We're using that in our gaming

16 centers every day, the most current technology, and

17 then here you are using -- you know, we can't even

18 get Caller ID. I think that that would be very

19 important. And it is important enough to keep us

20 -- if we're going to be on a level playing field we

21 need to have that IT technology and that ought to

22 be one of the goals.

23 MR. LITTLE: It's a good point. Thank

24 you.

25 Other questions? Yes, Robin.

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1 MS. LASH: Oh, Robin Lash, Miami Tribe

2 Gaming Commission. I'd like to thank you for being

3 here today and for going over this with us and I --

4 I would like to mirror Barbara Kaiser Collier's

5 comments that it's important in Goal 3 to remember

6 the consultation process with the tribes and I

7 think that kind of ties into Goal 4. You've

8 referenced your regulatory review process in Goal 3

9 and in Goal 4, then, you have tribal consultation,

10 but as -- as Barbara mentioned, I think she was

11 referencing the tribal gaming working group and the

12 literally hundreds of thousands of dollars that the

13 tribes invested in sending representatives to meet

14 and to put together what we felt was the document

15 that worked best for Indian Country. And, you

16 know, I think it's important to go on the record

17 that as a member of the Tribal Advisory Committee,

18 I'm still a little bit disappointed with how that

19 unfolded. I didn't really think that NIGC listened

20 to the -- the TAC, but I do know that you did spend

21 a lot of time in other consultation and I

22 appreciate the fact that NIGC did, you know, take

23 in so many written comments and did review --

24 review the comments. So just taking this few

25 moments to comment on the fact that the

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1 consultation with the tribes is very important.

2 Under IGRA, we are the primary regulators of Class

3 2 gaming and I think the tribes know what works for

4 us best. So thank you for listening.

5 MR. LITTLE: Feels like old times, Robin.

6 MS. LASH: I know.

7 MR. LITTLE: I love it.

8 Now, Robin makes some -- some very good

9 points. We got to make sure that we are listening

10 to the -- you know, the -- the -- not necessarily

11 just the gaming associations, but -- but any -- any

12 groups of tribes that, you know, are out there

13 doing a lot of the work. The tribal gaming

14 workgroup did spend probably millions of dollars on

15 -- on -- you know, over the -- the course of the

16 last decade, you know, preparing information and --

17 and providing a lot of -- a lot of valuable

18 research, you know, in many aspects to the

19 Commission and -- and we do -- we do appreciate

20 that and I'm very grateful for it. I'm grateful

21 for the time when -- when I worked for

22 Mashantucket, I -- I participated with the tribal

23 gaming workgroup, so I know there's some huge value

24 there.

25 I think like I had -- had said a couple of

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1 times during the tribal gaming -- during the TAC,

2 the -- that, you know, the process can be bumpy.

3 It's the -- the end result is to have some good

4 regulations that strengthen and -- and strengthen

5 the industry and I think we accomplished that. I

6 will not disagree that it was a difficult process.

7 It was very difficult process, but I think it

8 worked out at the end of the day and we did get

9 something that while the Commission didn't get

10 everything we wanted and the -- I don't think the

11 tribes got everything they wanted, I think we got

12 something that will -- that will benefit everyone

13 at the -- at the end of the day.

14 So, you know, on that same front, it is a

15 major -- it's one of our goals in this strategic

16 plan to be continually reviewing the regulations

17 for their need and for their effectiveness. It

18 doesn't mean that just because we got a couple

19 rules final recently that that ends that process.

20 It's a -- it'll be an ongoing process that we

21 continually look at regulations to make sure they

22 are working. So thank you, Robin.

23 Is there any other questions? Barbara?

24 MS. COLLIER: Of course. I don't have any

25 questions, necessarily, but I have a -- a few

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1 comments here and I'm not going to read -- read

2 them specifically, but we do again thank you for

3 coming and -- and for consulting. I think the

4 process of the plan and the process through -- that

5 has evolved since, you know, many years ago is

6 improved every time and -- and I applaud you for

7 that. I -- I think it's -- it's moving along

8 really progressively.

9 I guess, in comparison, I was sitting here

10 thinking, yeah, I'm kind of a -- you know, not so

11 much a prime rib girl as just a roast and potatoes

12 type person and so it's kind of difficult for me to

13 know why when one process works very well that's

14 not continued. And -- and, of course, in the past,

15 that has not been the case. So saying that,

16 because of some of the working groups, some that

17 were very effective on their own, with multiple,

18 like I said, gaming industry and as well as

19 regulators, as well as tribal leaders and -- and

20 managers was very effective, the -- the committee

21 that Robin was referring to was very effective, I

22 thought, also, it did appear that things didn't go

23 as planned, but, you know, perhaps if that is

24 allowed to continue, which I hope it is, it will

25 improve along with everything else.

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1 Now, towards the strategic plan, we want

2 to express our support for the regulatory approach

3 in the draft and I'll just cite down through here

4 some of the notes that I have. It does promote

5 rather than minimize the sovereign authority of the

6 tribal government to build their internal

7 capacities and regulate gaming. Of course, we feel

8 like we're the most regulated industry as far as

9 gaming, you know, probably in the world and I think

10 that's a good thing. I think when people look at

11 our structure, like we will probably be looking

12 into Internet gaming someday, you cannot argue the

13 point that we're very regulated and we want to

14 remain that way. So, you know, will people want to

15 forge on in that capacity, yeah, I think they will

16 because we -- you know, we are very firm in that.

17 The technical assistance, we've been in

18 that, the training and everything that's -- that

19 Dawn just referred to seems to be a very positive

20 aspect. Support of continuing the assistance

21 compliance enforcement, the ACE Initiative, is a

22 good approach, we feel. Concerned -- we are

23 concerned, however, about the draft strategic plan

24 appearing to be missing that important component of

25 tribal relationship and collaborative rule making

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1 and so we do want to -- that -- that is our main

2 point, because we do feel like that we are the

3 people that are trying to enforce these rules, so

4 please keep in mind that, you know, if you want a

5 good rule to remain good you want it to be

6 enforceable and so that's what we all strive for.

7 We -- I think we have good insights along the

8 relative importance of that and the feedback has

9 been really good, so if the language continues to

10 improve we feel like that this is really a good

11 step forward with this strategic plan. I think

12 it's something that's been needed. Everybody needs

13 kind of a structure to move on from and I think

14 that's what this gives us.

15 So in closing, we'd -- we'd like to thank

16 you again for coming and we will have a detailed

17 comment that we will send in, submit to you, but,

18 again, we're really glad you're here and I hope

19 other people have comments that they'll share with

20 you because it is a good group compared to some of

21 the ones I've been to, where there was two or

22 three. So everybody make a comment, and thank you

23 again for coming.

24 MR. LITTLE: Thank you, Barbara. You make

25 many very good points and I think it is -- it is

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1 going to point out that -- and I appreciate saying

2 this, that, you know, we should give credit to I

3 know the previous commission that did start this --

4 this process. It's -- it's easier to just pick up

5 and -- and, you know, change a process already

6 begun and so, you know, we did have a starting

7 point. We've been able to -- to, you know, modify

8 that and make it more kind of along lines of what

9 we're trying to do, so that's a good point. I

10 appreciate you -- you bringing that up.

11 You know, your point about, you know,

12 collaborative rule making, maybe we can look at our

13 fourth goal and -- and see how we can -- we can add

14 some language to that and -- and hopefully that

15 will, you know, satisfy, you know, those important

16 issues. This is just a draft, like we've talked

17 about, so we're -- you -- you will get an

18 opportunity to see something more here in the -- in

19 the future.

20 And, you know, I -- I said in my address,

21 you know, to the previous question about working

22 with, you know, other tribal working groups, we do

23 value very greatly what these groups do and do

24 understand the -- the major financial commitment

25 tribes do put into this. You know, we're happy to

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1 be a part of this -- this regulatory structure and

2 I -- and I do agree with you, this is the most

3 heavily regulated industry, gaming, in this country

4 if not the world and -- and I think that probably

5 is one of the reasons why it's so successful and --

6 and that way you don't see a lot of these issues.

7 So always good to, you know -- you know,

8 hear someone else say those points and -- and it is

9 more important moving forward, especially

10 considering if there could be any -- any type of

11 Internet gaming that tribes are interested in,

12 that, you know, we're -- we're prepared, the

13 industry as a whole is prepared, and NIGC is

14 following the issues while none of the current

15 legislative proposals include us for following

16 them. We have heard from tribes that they would

17 like us to be a part of anything and, you know,

18 that's always kind of interesting to me because I

19 guess it's a -- that we -- we turned a corner when

20 the NIGC is -- is viewed more as a -- you know, a

21 partner in the regulatory process than necessarily

22 an adversary. So that's a -- that's a good point

23 and as that moves forward we'll be anxious to hear,

24 you know, what role that we'll play and -- but we

25 will be ready to participate whenever, you know,

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1 it's required to do so by Congress.

2 MS. COLLIER: It's good to hear you say

3 that. I was privy to be in a meeting with Rebecca

4 Blank, the Secretary of Commerce, last month and

5 she was the keynote speaker and following her

6 comments, she allowed questions, a few. I think

7 mine was the last one. I asked about Internet

8 gaming and if they had a plan or if they were

9 proposing to move forward with anything should that

10 happen in the -- with the bill and the lame duck

11 session, so on, so forth. The answer was no, they

12 had not been working on it, nor was there a plan.

13 So we are -- we should only hope that NIGC

14 will be able to step up because the bill, of

15 course, refers to possibly the Department of

16 Commerce and they're not preparing. So just FYI

17 for everybody.

18 MR. LITTLE: Well, and I -- I said this

19 before and I know Dawn and Sarah have heard this in

20 the past, you know, one of the greatest things --

21 and I can thank Liz -- is, you know, one of our

22 greatest assets of the Commission is our staff. We

23 do have some of the most finest and well trained

24 experts in this industry working for us and -- and

25 regards to what our role is, you know, we have

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1 great staff. I know, you know, we can -- we can do

2 whatever required, what we're -- we're asked to do,

3 so.

4 MS. COLLIER: We're confident of that.

5 MR. LITTLE: Does anyone have any other

6 questions? Yes, sir.

7 CHIEF HARJO: I don't -- I don't have a

8 question, but I do have some comments. Once again,

9 Leonard Harjo, Principal Chief, Seminole Nation of

10 Oklahoma. We'd like -- I'd like to take the

11 opportunity to thank the Commission for allowing us

12 to visit with you today. Part of this

13 consultation, with respect to the -- the draft plan

14 for fiscal year 2014 to '18, we would like to

15 commend the members of the Commission for keeping

16 with your commitment to strengthen outreach efforts

17 and increase opportunities for

18 government-to-government dialogue. We are

19 encouraged by your willingness to listen to the

20 viewpoints of tribal governments in moving forward

21 with the proposed regulatory agenda that's been

22 described. We believe there's no better

23 illustration of your efforts in this regard than

24 the regulatory review process that you've conducted

25 over the past couple of years and the pending

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1 success of that, that you mentioned earlier. We

2 realize that that is a -- a tremendous undertaking

3 and we recognize that -- you know, the continuing

4 to work with tribal governments in that respect can

5 only help improve the regulatory framework for

6 tribal gaming.

7 We reviewed your draft strategic plan and

8 we find it, as a big picture, you know, fairly

9 consistent with, you know, what -- your approach

10 that you've described and we're pleased with that.

11 We're encouraged by the principles and the themes

12 that are in -- in your plan and we welcome the

13 direction, the continued movement in the positive

14 direction that the Commission is putting forward.

15 We're especially, you know, pleased with that as it

16 relates to regulatory and enforcement function.

17 The -- we're -- we hope that, you know,

18 some of the things that we -- that have been

19 mentioned by my colleagues and yourselves, with

20 respect to technical assistance and development of

21 greater training opportunities, will develop.

22 We're one of those tribes that has not been in the

23 forefront of the development of the gaming

24 regulatory system or just the framework involved,

25 so we -- we are one of those that really need a lot

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1 of access to the training that -- that you could

2 provide online. Again, and we're in a relatively

3 poor area as far as gaming is concerned, so there's

4 not a lot of dollars to get out there to obtain

5 these improvements.

6 The -- we're very hopeful that the

7 approach that is -- that's for a voluntary

8 compliance approach that's reflected in your plan,

9 in the framework, will, in fact, be something that

10 is -- you know, that you're able to expand upon in

11 this process, as -- as indicated in the plan. We

12 believe that that is probably the best approach in

13 working with tribal governments in order to, you

14 know, improve and to maintain the integrity of

15 Indian gaming. We are -- we prefer this, with --

16 with respect to a traditional approach of top down,

17 enforcement-driven actions, so we're very hopeful

18 that -- that the strategic plan will produce the

19 complimentary participation in the roles in the

20 tribal gaming -- in the National Indian Gaming

21 Commission.

22 We recognize that the regulatory review

23 process is a tremendous undertaking and we

24 certainly appreciate all the work that you all have

25 done in that -- that respect. The -- we're hopeful

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1 and we -- we expect to see that you will continue

2 the ACE Initiative as -- as you move forward that's

3 indicated -- as indicated in the plan. It has also

4 been mentioned by some of my colleagues, we al- --

5 we also believe that we need to insure that the --

6 that there are mechanisms valuable for

7 collaborative rule making. Again, we would hope to

8 see mechanisms such as the Tribal Advisory

9 Committee or the gaming workgroups continue. We

10 believe they've been very -- very effective in

11 working with you in this -- in the development of

12 regulations and rules.

13 We're pleased that, you know, the -- the

14 Class 2 regulations that are making their way

15 through the process and the workgroups there, we

16 feel, were instrumental in identifying issues and

17 helping devise regulatory alternatives and we

18 certainly encourage you to continue to utilize this

19 approach in your rule making activities.

20 In conclusion, we again thank you for the

21 opportunity to speak with you on these matters and

22 to share our views to the strategic plan. Thank

23 you.

24 MR. LITTLE: All right. Thank you, Chief.

25 Those are -- you went through a lot of points

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1 there, but I think the one that I -- I'd kind of

2 like to highlight, if I could, was the working with

3 regional staff and I think, you know, a lot of

4 times and I think as the Commission, you know,

5 we're the administrative face of the -- of the

6 agency, but really the regional staff are the face

7 of the agency. They're the folks that are out in

8 the field. They're the folks that are doing the

9 site visits and -- and visiting all the tribes.

10 And -- and any of the resources that we can provide

11 around will allow them to do a better job and be a

12 resource for you.

13 I know when I worked for a tribe, we

14 pushed to require the Commission to have to provide

15 training and technical assistance to the tribes and

16 it's something that we are mandated to do by law

17 and something that we take very seriously. So if

18 there's particular areas where you think you need

19 some help in, please, you know, I urge you to work

20 with your -- your regional staff and they can

21 develop some, you know, programs to help you. We

22 want to be, you know, like I said, a partner in

23 this whole process here where, you know, we --

24 there -- we've heard many times, not in this

25 region, but in other parts of the country, that

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1 tribes were oftentimes afraid to contact us when

2 they had issues because of potential enforcement

3 actions. We don't ever -- we don't ever want it to

4 be like that. We want -- you know, we want tribes

5 to know that an enforcement action is coming for a

6 very good reason and we -- you know, we want to --

7 we need to reserve the -- the right to use

8 enforcement actions, however, we've got a lot of

9 steps to get there before anything like that should

10 take place, and that is us fulfilling our statutory

11 obligation to provide technical assistance. And I

12 know our -- our staff is out there. They -- they

13 do it a lot more than I think they document it and

14 -- and we're identified, but they're out there

15 every day providing exper- -- their expertise and

16 help in their region. So I urge you, if you do

17 have some issues please contact them and they can

18 help in any particular area you need them. And

19 we'll continue, like we talked about already, about

20 our IT, how can we deliver better training through

21 using technology. So it was a good point, so thank

22 you very much for your comments.

23 CHIEF HARJO: Thank you.

24 MR. LITTLE: Any other comments out there?

25 MR. FOLLIS: On behalf of the Modoc Tribe,

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1 and I'm sure the other tribes will agree with me,

2 we appreciate the Quapaws hosting this meeting.

3 MR. LITTLE: I -- I agree with you. It

4 was very nice after I -- I did the United -- the

5 United through Chicago trip from D.C. yesterday,

6 which was an absolute disaster and I spent nine

7 hours in that airport. By the time I got here

8 about 10:00 o'clock last night, it was very nice

9 to, you know, lay down on that very comfortable

10 bed, so thank you. Thank you. It was -- you know,

11 I kind of knew -- working for Mashantucket and in

12 Connecticut, you drive upon Foxwoods in the middle

13 of nowhere and in darkness and I kind of almost got

14 that feeling last night when I was coming down the

15 interstate. About eight miles away, I could see

16 the -- the casino and I see the -- the place and I

17 knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel, so

18 it was very nice to be here. So I too want to

19 thank Quapaw for hosting this -- this wonderful

20 event. So thank you.

21 MS. COLLIER: I guess just FYI, I'm

22 surprised that Janie didn't, you know, give you

23 that information, but if you fly American, if --

24 you know, and that's kind of questionable these

25 days, but Joplin actually has a very nice airport

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1 and I try and fly in and out of there. So if you

2 ever come back, you know, unless you miss your

3 flight connection or something and then you have to

4 revert to Tulsa, but since you're renting a car

5 anyway, if you fly into Joplin it's just 10 miles.

6 You know, you can just hop right over here and it's

7 not near the trip that you had with the

8 Chicago/Dallas, all that thing.

9 MR. LITTLE: Well, you know, it's funny

10 because I think we looked at that and we have this

11 thing called government contract fares. We had --

12 it was about half the price to fly to Tulsa.

13 MS. COLLIER: Well, and that's -- that

14 could be. Whenever I look at it, you know, from my

15 --

16 MR. LITTLE: Uh-huh.

17 MS. COLLIER: Because I try to reach the

18 government, but it's still cheaper when you don't

19 have to pay to park your car.

20 MR. LITTLE: Yeah.

21 MS. COLLIER: You don't have to drive the

22 miles, you know, that -- which all adds up to

23 Tulsa, so it kind of equals out. But for you, I

24 could see it probably would not.

25 MR. LITTLE: Yeah, because we -- I

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2 into Joplin, so. Well, thank you.

3 Is there any other comments or questions

4 or we're at about, I guess, a little after 10:30

5 here. I know we were going to end a little bit

6 early today.

7 Ms. Homer, you're going to take an

8 opportunity not to say a word?

9 MS. HOMER: Well, I was, but, you know, I

10 -- it doesn't take very much prodding to get me to

11 go to the microphone. Now, Dan, I just wanted to

12 say and to the NIGC staff that, you know, this is a

13 huge improvement over the last strategic plan just

14 in terms of philosophy and approach. You know, as

15 -- you know, I've always kind of harangued you all.

16 I am a high promote -- proponent of

17 voluntary compliance. I think that it was a

18 terrible thing that tribes became afraid of the

19 NIGC, afraid to bring their issues to the NIGC,

20 afraid to bring their problems for fear that they

21 were going to get slapped with an enforcement

22 action if they did that. And I happen to know of

23 at least one tribe that was in that situation, that

24 did, in my view, receive an unjust enforcement

25 action. And so to -- to see that you not only put

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2 see it reflected in your new regulations, you know,

3 and in the -- kind of the gradual notice and kind

4 of stepped-up enforcement, you know, kind of a -- a

5 graduated enforcement approach, I think that's a

6 very positive thing for the NIGC, its relationship

7 with tribes and for tribes. They can actually use

8 NIGC as a resource, which is what, you know,

9 personally that's what I believe in, that -- you

10 know, that we're in this together. That the NIGC

11 and the tribes have a complimentary relationship,

12 particularly the tribal gaming regulatory agencies.

13 The tribal gaming regulatory agencies are

14 doing a magnificent job and are equally a

15 tremendous resource back to the NIGC, so, I mean,

16 it is a symbiotic relationship and I'm glad to see

17 that now we're starting to see that added to that

18 approach reflected in the organic documents of the

19 NIGC and I just want to thank you all for that.

20 Good job. Thank you.

21 MS. COLLIER: Well, that's a switch.

22 MR. LITTLE: Yes.

23 No, that's -- Liz always makes very

24 poignant and valuable comments.

25 I'm going to look at Sheila. No? Not --

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1 MS. MORAGA: You'll get our comments in

2 the mail --

3 MR. LITTLE: Excellent.

4 MS. MORAGA: -- as normal.

5 MR. LITTLE: Well, if there's nothing

6 else, I would once again like to thank the Quapaw

7 Tribe for their graciousness in hosting this event

8 at their wonderful Downstream facility. I'm sure

9 they would all urge you to go take the afternoon

10 and spend some time on the gaming floor, so --

11 MS. COLLIER: Bring your money.

12 MR. LITTLE: So I want to thank you all

13 for traveling here today and wish you all a safe

14 trip home. If you will -- if you happen to be here

15 tomorrow I -- I guess I'm on the agenda tomorrow,

16 so you get to, you know, hear my wonderful voice

17 again.

18 And just remind everybody that the 31st of

19 October is the deadline to submit your comments.

20 You can send them in e-mail, regular mail, fax.

21 All that information is on the website. You can

22 e-mail it to this web address or the e-mail address

23 here and we will look at them. And I do want to

24 thank you in advance for the time and energy, you

25 know, you put into these, so --

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1 MS. LASH: May I?

2 MR. LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.

3 MS. LASH: Thank you. Robin Lash, Miami

4 Tribe. I'm the vice chairperson of Oklahoma Tribal

5 Gaming Regulators Association and I'd like to

6 invite everyone here and specifically the tribal

7 leaders if you have time tomorrow to stop by. We

8 do have a two-day conference going on here at -- at

9 Downstream and we have our opening remarks in the

10 morning and thankfully Commissioner Little was able

11 to stay over so he will be making some remarks for

12 us and we are very glad that he is able to do that

13 and we thank him for that. So please stop by if

14 you have time. We'll be having a -- we have 180

15 people, I think, attending so far.

16 MS. COLLIER: And it'll be down at the

17 pavilion, which is the big building right -- you go

18 down to the lower level on -- in the elevator here

19 and there's a walkway that goes to the pavilion.

20 And they've got a very nice opening ceremony and

21 meeting planned, with some keynote speakers and it

22 would be great if you could attend.

23 MS. LASH: Starts at 9:00 a.m.

24 MS. COLLIER: 9:00.

25 MR. LITTLE: Sheila?

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1 MS. MORAGA: Just real quick. Since Robin

2 did this one, I will have to do it, too. Sheila

3 Moraga, Oklahoma Indian Gaming Association. Just a

4 quick reminder for everybody in the room that OIGA

5 also has its annual meeting on Thursday, 2:00

6 o'clock, at Fire Lake Grand. I know it interferes

7 with this. We promise we will never do this again.

8 We will double check our dates.

9 But for those of you who cannot make it,

10 make sure you get your proxies to people who are

11 going to be there. As a reminder, the bylaw says

12 that any delegate and alternate can carry three

13 proxies, so just FYI. Okay?

14 MR. LITTLE: Thank, Sheila.

15 MS. MORAGA: Thanks.

16 MR. LITTLE: And before I conclude, I just

17 want to once again thank our staff, the Tulsa

18 region staff that helped put this all together and

19 everybody from D.C., so thank you all and have a

20 great day.

21 (The meeting concluded at 10:40 a.m.)

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3 I, CHERYL O'MEILIA, Certified Shorthand

4 Reporter, do hereby certify that the NIGC meeting was

5 by me taken and transcribed pursuant to agreement,

6 and under the stipulations hereinbefore set out; and

7 that I am not an attorney for nor relative of any

8 of said parties or otherwise interested in the

9 event of said action.

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11 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand

12 and official seal this 31st day of October, 2012.

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