Filed 6/13/16 In re S.O. CA5

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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT

In re S.O. et al., Persons Coming Under the 

Juvenile Court Law.

TUOLUMNE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF 

SOCIAL SERVICES,

Plaintiff and Respondent,

v.

S.H.,

Defendant and Appellant.

F071404

(Super. Ct. Nos. JV7383, JV7384, 

JV7385, JV7386, JV7387, JV7388)

OPINION

APPEAL from orders of the Superior Court of Tuolumne County. Donald 

Segerstrom, Judge.

Carol A. Koenig, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and 

Appellant.

Sarah Carrillo, County Counsel, Cody M. Nesper, Deputy County Counsel, for 

Plaintiff and Respondent.

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S.O. (mother)1 appeals from the orders entered at the 12-month review hearing, 

after the juvenile court found that returning mother’s six children to her custody would 

create a substantial risk of detriment to the children and terminated mother’s reunification 

services. Mother contends the evidence was insufficient to support the court’s detriment 

finding and the finding underlying its order terminating reunification services. She also 

contends the court erred by not proceeding as if the children were Indian children under 

the applicable rule of court. We reject mother’s contentions and affirm the juvenile 

court’s orders.

FACTS

Background

In October 2013, the Tuolumne County Department of Social Services (the 

department) initiated dependency proceedings over mother’s six minor children, S1, S2, 

S3, S4, D., and S5, after the department took the children into protective custody 

following incidents arising from mother’s longstanding issues with alcohol abuse and 

domestic violence. At the time, the children, all girls except for S3, ranged between the 

ages of two and 14, with S1 being the oldest and S5 the youngest. The department 

identified J.C. as the presumed father of S2 and S3, and T.H. as the presumed father of 

D., S4, and S5. J.C.’s presumed father status was later expanded to include S1, whose 

biological father lived in a different state and had not been significantly involved in the 

child’s life. 

In the detention report, the department stated it had received numerous referrals 

over the years concerning the family and that the department had substantiated two 

previous referrals alleging general neglect against mother. The department received the 

 

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In this opinion, certain persons are identified by initials, abbreviated names and/or by 

status in accordance with our Supreme Court’s policy regarding protective nondisclosure. No 

disrespect is intended.
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first of these in January 2009. The January 2009 referral alleged that mother was 

drinking excessively and neglecting the children. S3 was frequently found wandering the 

streets and, when he would be returned home, mother would be found “passed out.” 

During the ensuing investigation, mother was placed on a “5150 hold” because she was 

found to be inflicting injuries on herself. Mother admitted at the time to drinking 

excessively to cope with various stressors in her life and to leaving the children with 

different neighbors when she would consume large amounts of alcohol. 

The second referral substantiated by the department was received in April 2013. 

The April 2013 referral alleged that mother was becoming intoxicated on a daily basis to 

the point of passing out and leaving the children unsupervised. When law enforcement 

went to investigate, they found mother asleep and called the department for immediate 

assistance. While still intoxicated and in the children’s presence, mother yelled 

profanities towards the law enforcement and social workers and threatened to kill herself 

if the children were placed in protective custody. 

As a result of the April 2013 referral, mother signed a safety plan and began 

voluntarily participating in services to address her substance abuse issues. Among other 

things, the safety plan provided that mother would not consume alcohol while caring for 

the children. Because mother “adamantly” insisted on a timeframe for reevaluating the 

safety plan, the department agreed that “six months of services to address her issues with 

alcohol was a reasonable amount of time so long as she continued to be a sober safe 

parent following the six months of service participation.” 

Regarding the circumstances leading to the current dependency proceedings, on 

September 29, 2013, the department received a report alleging that mother and J.C. had 

been involved in a domestic violence incident while the children were at home. The 

incident was witnessed by then 12-year-old S2 and 14-year-old S1, and resulted in S2 

calling law enforcement. 
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On October 1, 2013, a social worker met with mother to talk about the incident of 

domestic violence on September 29. The social worker reported that mother brought 

paperwork to the meeting to prove she had attended several Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) 

meetings and was complying with the safety plan she had signed in April. Mother also 

told the social worker that, although she had not consumed alcohol in six months, she 

was planning to drink alcohol on an occasional basis (“like a glass of wine with dinner”) 

when she was not caring for the children. The social worker suggested mother first talk 

to her children about how they felt about her drinking again. Mother responded by 

arguing that she just wanted to have an “occasional” drink and that she was not going to 

become intoxicated. She added that she did not consider herself an “alcoholic” and said 

she would not allow substances to interfere in her or her children’s lives. 

After having this conversation with mother on October 1, 2013, the social worker 

spoke with S2 on October 10, 2013. S2 asked the social worker whether she had told 

mother it was okay to drink again. When the social worker replied that she had not 

condoned mother’s use of alcohol, S2 reported that on Monday, mother had consumed 

“four shots” of alcohol and “passed out” and left the younger children in S2’s and S1’s 

care. Before mother became intoxicated, mother asked S2 whether she wanted her to 

drink at home or at a friend’s house. S2 told mother that she wanted her to stay home. 

S2 explained to the social worker that she did not think her mother would drink as much 

at home or on a school night. S2 was upset about mother’s drinking and indicated she 

wanted to live with her father, J.C. 

On October 11, 2013, S2 called the social worker from her school and reported 

that mother had been drinking alcohol the night before and that they got into a physical 

altercation after S2 confronted mother about her drinking. According to S2’s account of 

the altercation, mother grabbed and scratched S2’s arms as S2 struggled to get away. 

Mother then followed S2 to her bedroom and attempted to “spank” her. While struggling 

against mother, S2 hit her head on a jewelry box. S2 also sustained scratches on her legs 
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as mother pulled her off of the bed. S2 told the social worker that she knew mother had 

been drinking alcohol because she could smell it on mother’s breath and saw the “bottle 

of vodka half way empty.” 

After speaking with S2 on October 11, 2013, the social worker and a supervising 

social worker spoke with mother, who already had a scheduled appointment at the Child 

Welfare Services (or “CWS”) office. Regarding the altercation reported by S2, mother 

told the social workers that S2 “got in her face” and accused her of lying about the 

department allowing her to drink and she was offended and got angry when S2 called her 

an “alcoholic.” Mother told the social workers she had spoken with her children first and 

that they were “fine” with her drinking again. She also pointed out that she had asked S2 

first if S2 wanted her to drink at home or at a friend’s house and that S2 had asked her to 

stay home. The social workers advised mother it was not the child’s responsibility to 

make a decision about where mother should drink. Mother started arguing that she 

should be able to drink if the children were safe and insisted she could have driven them 

to the emergency room if it had been necessary. 

At the end of the meeting with mother on October 11, 2013, the social worker 

advised mother that her consumption of alcohol was having a negative impact on her 

children and that she was unable to parent appropriately while under the influence of 

alcohol. The supervising social worker then advised mother that the children were not 

currently safe in her care and that the department was placing them in protective custody. 

Mother remained calm and said that she was a “good parent” and that she could not 

understand why the department thought the children were not safe. 

Jurisdiction and Disposition

When the contested jurisdictional hearing concluded on November 27, 2013, the 

juvenile court found that mother’s six children came within the meaning of Welfare and 

Institutions Code section 300, subdivisions (b) (failure to protect) and (j) (abuse of 

sibling), and that S1 also came within the meaning of section 300, subdivision (g) (no 
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provision for support).2 Regarding its jurisdictional findings under section 300, 

subdivisions (b) and (j), the court found the supporting allegations in the first amended 

dependency petitions, filed on November 4, 2013, to be true, namely:

“...On September 29, 2013, Tuolumne County Sheriff Department, 

responded to the residence of [mother] as [S2] called and reported a 

domestic violence incident. [Mother] and the father, [J.C.], engaged in a 

physical domestic violence dispute while [mother] was providing care to 

her children. [Mother] attempted to hit [J.C.] with an axe and shattered the 

windshield of his car with a shovel. [J.C.] dragged [mother] across the 

ground where she obtained abrasions to her arms and the right side of her 

hip....”

“...On October 07, 2013, [mother] admitted to resuming her use of 

alcohol consumption and taking ‘four shots of tequila,’ then falling asleep 

rendering her incapable of providing care to her six children....”

“...On October 10, 2013, [mother] admitted to taking ‘two shots of 

vodka,’ then participated in a physical altercation with [S2] in which 

[mother] scratched [S2] and threw her on a bed causing her to hit her head 

on a nightstand while providing care to all six of her children....” 

“...On April 16, 2013, an allegation of general neglect was 

substantiated as [mother] was providing care and supervision to her 

children while under the influence” and “was slurring her words, was 

swaying and having a difficult time standing, and was yelling profanities at 

law enforcement.” 

On January 28, 2014, following the contested dispositional hearing, the juvenile 

court found that returning the children home would create a substantial danger to their 

safety and well-being. In support of its finding, the court noted that it found S2’s 

testimony to be “[t]he most convincing evidence” presented, establishing that mother had 

been fighting with both of the fathers, J.C. and T.H., “on a continuing basis” over the 

years and that “no matter what happens it keeps replaying itself.” The court further found 

that the children had been “exposed over the course of their young lives to an 

 

2 All statutory references are to the Welfare and Institutions Code unless otherwise 

specified.
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extraordinary amount of both verbal and physical violence that no child should be 

exposed to” and that the testimony of mother and the two fathers reflected “a remarkable 

lack of insight ... particularly a lack of insight as to the effect this violence has on the 

children.” The court observed: “[F]or these parents, it’s all about them. I didn’t do this. 

I didn’t do this. She did that. It’s not about what effect it’s had on the kids. It has to do 

[with] what effect it’s had on the parents it seems like.” The court concluded it had 

“absolutely no confidence” that if the children were returned to any of the parents, “that 

the exact cause of why they were detained in the first place wouldn’t reoccur” and 

expressed the opinion that they would “be back here in really short order ... arguing 

about the same things.” 

The court then ordered reunification services for mother and the two fathers. 

Mother’s case plan required her to complete up to two psychological evaluations and to 

complete a counseling program focused on issues of childhood trauma, posttraumatic 

stress disorder (PTSD), codependency, domestic violence, and substance abuse. She was 

also required to complete a parenting education program, to attend three “AA/NA” 

meetings each week, and to participate in, show progress through, and successfully 

complete a substance abuse treatment program. The service objectives of mother’s case 

plan included staying sober and showing her ability to live free from alcohol dependency, 

taking appropriate action to avoid being a victim of further domestic violence, obtaining 

and maintaining a suitable residence for herself and her children, and not behaving in a 

manner that was verbally, emotionally, physically, or sexually abusive or threatening. 

Six-month Review

According to the report the department filed in anticipation of the six-month 

review hearing, although mother had been compliant and was participating in all aspects 

of her case plan, as well as taking an active role in the “12-step” community, concerns 

remained regarding her ability to make progress and to make the long-term behavioral 

changes necessary to parent the children safely. Despite her well-documented history of 
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struggling with substance abuse issues, mother continued to minimize her past use of 

alcohol while caring for her children. Mother maintained that alcohol was not a problem 

for her and that it was appropriate when she was drinking and became intoxicated to 

leave the younger children in the care of S1. The department opined that mother’s 

inability to recognize the inappropriateness of her behavior indicated she was at risk for 

resuming her problematic use of alcohol in the future. 

The department further reported that mother continued to blame the two fathers for 

the volatile relationships she maintained with them. The department noted that, after the 

children were removed, mother and T.H. had “reengaged in a romantic relationship” and 

appeared “committed to making their relationship work.” The couple had also 

voluntarily participated in a domestic violence program together. However, while 

mother’s alcohol use was at the root of many of their disagreements, mother maintained 

that T.H.’s anger towards her was based not on her use of alcohol but on his desire to 

control her and not be required to care for the children by himself. 

The department further reported that mother had completed a psychological 

evaluation that determined mother did not have the ability to benefit from services or to 

make the changes necessary to provide a safe and adequate home for the children in the 

next six to twelve months. Therefore, the department concluded, mother would “need to 

show a great amount of improvement in her ability to be open to behavior changes” and 

“to demonstrate insight into her substance abuse and relationship issues, and gain 

appropriate coping mechanisms and parenting skills.” 

When the contested six-month review hearing concluded on July 30, 2014, the 

juvenile court continued the children in out-of-home placement and articulated specific 

concerns it had regarding mother’s statements and testimony, which the court explained 

failed to provide the court with sufficient assurance that the children could be returned 

home safely. The court noted that mother continued to maintain that “whatever [S2] 
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said” to the department was the reason for the children’s removal. The court admonished 

mother: 

“That wasn’t the reason for their removal ... I’ve heard two trials. [¶] I 

heard the domestic violence restraining order application that you made. I 

also heard the jurisdictional hearing and the dispositional hearing with the 

physical altercation between you and [J.C.] I heard extensive testimony 

about that. I heard it from the children. I heard it from you. I heard it from 

[J.C.] There’s not much that [S2] could have said that would have affected 

the decision to detain these children.”

The juvenile court further observed that mother’s statements created the 

impression that whenever somebody disagreed with mother, they were “automatically 

wrong” in her view. The court noted: “You ... said I started reading the report, sixmonth review report. It really hurt my feelings, until I didn’t like where it was going. It 

was a downer to me. I stopped reading. And the psychological evaluation same thing.” 

The court observed that mother seemed to want to “control” what the department did and 

to “dictate” how well she was doing in the program. The court continued: “That’s not 

the way it works, you know. You’re—the purpose of being in the program is for you to 

see the impact of what your behavior in the past has done to your kids and the damage 

that it’s caused, and how to avoid it happening in the future.” The court concluded by 

advising mother: 

“I want more assurance. I want to see that you make additional progress in 

the treatment program, learn to stop blaming other people, learn to take 

ownership of what you’ve done and your part in it and recognize that you 

don’t get to call all the shots, and ... that when the social worker tells you 

something, you need to listen to it and not just reject it because you 

disagree with it.” 

After ordering reunification services to be continued for mother and the two 

fathers, the juvenile court set a 12-month review for November 18, 2014. 
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Twelve-month Review Hearing

In the original 12-month review report prepared in November 2014, the 

department recommended terminating mother’s and T.H.’s reunification services and 

setting a section 366.26 hearing to determine a permanent plan of care for their children, 

S4, D., and S5. The department also recommended that the paternity status of J.C., with 

whom S2 and S3 had been placed, be raised to presumed father for S1, and that J.C. be 

ordered to sign and comply with a family maintenance case plan for S1. 

In summarizing the reasons for its recommendations concerning mother, the 

department explained that, despite mother’s active participation in the 12-step community 

and participation in all the required services offered to address her mental health and 

substance abuse issues and pattern of engaging in unhealthy relationships, mother had 

failed to make sufficient progress, and did not have the ability to make the significant 

progress necessary, to be able to provide a safe environment for the children. The 

department noted that this had been the conclusion of two psychological evaluations 

mother had participated in during the previous six months. 

The department opined that mother’s insufficient progress was demonstrated by 

her persistent refusal or inability to take responsibility for her role in placing the 

children’s safety at risk and her failure to fully acknowledge the negative effects that her 

use of alcohol had had on the children. For example, mother blamed the department for 

the children’s removal by repeatedly making statements that the department, during its 

investigation of one of the recent referrals, should have specifically directed her not to 

drink alcohol and, had it done so, she would not have had the children removed from her 

care. 

Mother also rationalized her past behavior by claiming she did not drink 

excessively and estimating she only went out for drinks with girlfriends once a month. 

This conflicted with the fact that she had exposed her children to her excessive alcohol 

use when she became intoxicated and passed out at home. Another way mother 
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rationalized her behavior was by stating a responsible adult was always watching the 

children. But she ignored the negative impact it had on her children to see her 

intoxicated and passed out at home. Mother’s only explanation for how her alcohol use 

had traumatized her children was to say that it had exposed them to the angry reactions of 

T.H. and that T.H.’s yelling was what had been harmful to them. 

Mother also persisted in blaming S2 for, and in denying that she had harmed S2 

during, their altercation on October 10, 2013. Mother had also said numerous times that 

the children were taken away from her because of S2’s statements to the department and 

that S2’s statements were exaggerated and motivated by her desire to live with J.C. 

Mother completely ignored how her alcohol use affected S2 and caused the child to 

become extremely upset when she saw mother drinking. 

In addition, mother persisted in failing to take responsibility for her role in 

exposing the children to unhealthy and harmful relationships. The department noted that, 

although she was not responsible for the fathers’ actions, mother was responsible for 

continuing to engage in unhealthy relationships with them over the years and the impact 

that had on the children. Although it was positive that she and T.H. had worked on their 

own relationship issues, mother’s anger towards J.C. had intensified since their children 

were returned to his care and she continued to engage in conflicts with him. Mother 

often referred to J.C. as her “rapist” and “abuser” and showed no signs of taking any 

responsibility for continuing to allow him around her children during their abusive past. 

The department concluded that mother continued to place blame on S2 and the 

two fathers for the reasons leading to the children’s removal from her custody, ignoring 

the fact that, historically, the department had consistently received reports regarding 

mother’s ongoing substance abuse and mental health issues which had impacted the 

family. Without taking responsibility for her own behavior and for exposing the children 

to her substance abuse, mental health issues, and domestic violence, the department 

opined, mother had no reason not to resume her past behaviors in the future and thereby 
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place her children at risk if they were returned to her care. Mother’s consistent 

defensiveness regarding her behavior had greatly impeded her ability to benefit from 

services. In order to make necessary behavioral changes, mother needed to be able to 

acknowledge her problem behaviors. Mother, however, continued to deny her own 

shortcomings, rationalize her behaviors, and lack the insight necessary in her situation to 

safely parent the children. 

The 12-month review hearing, originally set in November 2014, was continued to 

late January 2015. In the meantime, the department filed an addendum report reflecting 

that on December 19, 2014, mother and T.H. both “posted inappropriate material 

regarding their active Juvenile Court case on the social networking website, Facebook.” 

Specifically, mother posted the following statement on her personal Facebook page:

“Anyone who could help our family please repost cws is legally kidnapping 

children in toulumne county please contact [T.H] @Yahoo.com thankfully 

[H.]/[O.] family please share so we won’t have any more family’s torn 

apart!” 

The post included a picture of the children holding a sign which read: “All we want 4 

Christmas is to go home!!!”3 

In the comments section of her Facebook post, mother wrote the following in 

response to a comment asking why the children were removed from the home:

 

3 T.H. included the same picture on his personal Facebook page in a post that read: “Our 

children have been in child welfare services custody for over a year. My wife and I have gone 

above and beyond what they have asked us to do to get our children back and now there trying to 

keep them permanently. Tuolumne county is kidnapping children every day and nobody is doing 

anything about it!!!!! I even had a visit supervisor tell my wife that she got into this career to 

help children, but after the things she’s seen in tuolumne county child welfare service social 

workers in the last few Months she’s considering a new career because there doing things that 

are not right. We are asking everyone who see’s this post to repost so someone who can help us 

will possibly see it, and help me expose tuolumne county CWS for traumatizing children and 

tearing families apart. [T.H.] contact info-[T.H.]@yahoo.com. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!! THANK 

YOU THE [H.]/[O.] FAMILY.” 
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“Keeps changing they won’t say. My rapist called cws on me every year 

since 2005 then I got married to another man not him this was his revenge 

on me for leaving him and his abuse on me And my children now he has 

two of them! & Trying to get a third!” 

In response to another comment asserting that child welfare was taking children from 

loving parents, mother wrote: “I know! Did more than required still Trying to adopt 

them out! Court’s jan 22 2015.” 

On December 22, 2014, the social worker called mother and advised her that the 

Facebook post violated juvenile court orders not to disclose or distribute confidential 

materials relating to the case and directed mother to remove the post immediately. The 

social worker further advised mother that because the picture of the children had been 

taken during a supervised visit, the department had to move the visits back to the Child 

Welfare Services office to provide for better supervision. In addition, the social worker 

told mother the family would not be able to get the planned two-hour extension for their 

holiday visit because the Child Welfare Services office did not have the ability to 

accommodate a four-hour, onsite visit with six children. 

During the phone conversation with the social worker, mother became 

argumentative and disagreed with the social worker’s statement that posting anything 

regarding the case and the children returning home was confidential information. She 

also disagreed with the social worker’s statement that having the children pose for the 

picture was completely inappropriate and potentially damaging to them. When the social 

worker directed her to take down the post, mother claimed she did not know how to 

delete it. After the social worker advised mother she was required to appear in court for 

an order to show cause (OSC) hearing regarding the post, mother hung up the phone. 

Later the same day, mother called the social worker back and complained it was 

unfair the department was taking away two hours from her four-hour supervised visit 

with the children. The social worker explained that the parents were not entitled to the 

extra visiting time because it was not based on a court order, but that the department had 
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offered the extra time because the family was not going to be able to spend the holidays 

together. However, due to the parents’ inappropriate behavior during the last visit, the 

supervised visits now needed to be moved back onsite where the department was unable 

to accommodate a four-hour visit with six children. When mother continued arguing 

with the social worker about the visitation schedule, the social worker reiterated that a 

longer visit could not be accommodated onsite and reminded mother of the OSC hearing 

she was required to attend. 

After speaking with the social worker the second time, mother reposted the 

inappropriate post multiple times on Facebook, adding: 

“Do to these posts of our children’s wanting to come home they’ve taken 2 

of our 4 hr Christmas visit from our kids! Thanks so much toulumne county 

cws we really appreciate your heart felt intentions! This is our family there 

sign posted was told to b taken down because we wanted the people to 

know what they wanted!” 

On December 23, 2014, the social worker spoke with T.H. and communicated the 

same information she had communicated to mother regarding his Facebook post. T.H. 

said he understood and requested that all further communication be through his attorney. 

On December 30, 2014, mother and T.H. both appeared at the OSC hearing, where 

the court ordered them both to immediately remove the inappropriate Facebook posts.

In another addendum report filed in February 2015, the department reported that, 

upon further discussion with T.H.’s service providers, the department was changing its 

recommendation from terminating his reunification services to continuing services. The 

department noted that T.H. had participated in all his required services throughout the 

dependency proceedings and, despite problem behaviors he initially exhibited, he had 

recently demonstrated moderate progress in areas of communication and anger 

management and had presented as calm, collected, and appropriate, even when discussing 

highly emotional subjects including not reunifying with the children. His psychological 

evaluation had also concluded that he had the potential to benefit from services. 
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The department cautioned that T.H.’s ability to benefit from services was strictly 

contingent on his ability to develop increased insight into his role and responsibility as a 

parent, particularly in regards to his relationship decisions respecting mother. The 

department opined that continuing contact between T.H. and mother would be 

detrimental to their three children together and therefore recommended that T.H. be 

offered additionally services specifically addressing issues of codependency, insight into 

his behavior, and gaining independence from mother. 

The department acknowledged its recommendation placed T.H. in a difficult 

position because he appeared committed to his relationship with mother. However, it 

was ultimately his responsibility as a parent to provide his children with a safe, loving, 

and stable environment. Therefore, the department was asking T.H. to make the difficult 

decision to place the children’s safety and well-being before his relationship with mother, 

who continued to demonstrate poor judgment and lack of ability to protect her children as 

most recently evidenced by her actions and comments on Facebook. 

The department pointed out that, in addition to mother’s own display of resistance 

and lack of insight into her behavior, there were currently two psychological evaluations 

concluding she could not benefit from continuing services to become a safe parent for the 

children. In light of the minimal progress mother had demonstrated in alleviating the 

issues that had brought the family to the juvenile court’s attention, the department 

concluded it was not in the children’s best interests to extend services to mother, even 

though it was recommending additional services for T.H. 

The 12-month review hearing was conducted over three days between January 22 

and February 11, 2015. 

Janet Johnson, a program manager with Infant Child Enrichment Services (ICES), 

testified regarding her observations of several of mother’s and T.H.’s supervised visits 

with the children and the parenting support she gave mother and T.H. by talking to them 

on the phone and during in-person meetings. Johnson testified her current concern 
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regarding mother’s parenting abilities was with her being able to stay “regulated.” 

Johnson explained: “Regulated means that you’re in a state of calm and you can think 

clearly. Regulated would be calm enough to rationally think things out.” 

Johnson opined that mother’s dysregulated state made it difficult for her to engage 

fully in services Johnson provided. Johnson explained: “The focus would be on 

[mother’s] upset. It would be on her anger towards how things were not going—that 

she’s jumped through all the hoops and now they still haven’t given my kids back.” 

Although Johnson thought mother understood the tools she had tried to teach mother for 

improving communication skills, mother had not been effectively implementing those 

tools in the supervised visitation setting and would often need to be reminded to relax and 

calm down. During some of the early supervised visits she observed, Johnson noted that 

mother would become agitated when one of the children would not want to eat food 

mother and T.H. had brought for the children. Johnson observed “there was a lot of 

blaming” with mother making comments complaining about how she had made food and 

the foster parents had let the children have food before the visits. 

Johnson observed that the children could see mother’s anger when she would 

complain about Child Welfare Services and the foster parents in their presence. On the 

occasions when mother did this, which was not at every visit Johnson observed, she 

would warn mother that the children heard things and she needed to be careful what she 

said. Despite being warned and discouraged, mother continued to make similar 

comments in front of the children. Johnson opined it was hard for mother to follow 

Johnson’s instructions about self-regulation. Johnson observed that mother exhibited 

“continuous blaming and ... continuous anger and stress symptoms” throughout the 

period they worked together. 

The last time Johnson saw mother was around the end of October 2014. At that 

time, Johnson did not think mother had yet demonstrated significant progress in reaching 
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the goals on which they had been working. Johnson did not expect that with reasonable 

services mother would be able to become a suitable parent by mid-May of 2015. 

Dr. Blake Carmichael, a staff psychologist and evaluation program manager with

the Children’s Hospital of University of California, Davis, performed the first 

psychological evaluation of mother in April 2014, after receiving a referral from the 

department during the six-month review period. The parties stipulated that 

Dr. Carmichael was an expert as a forensic psychologist in the area of children and 

families. 

In his testimony, Dr. Carmichael described in detail how he conducted the 

psychological evaluation, including reviewing pertinent court documents, administering 

psychological tests to mother, interviewing mother along with one of his colleagues, 

conducting clinical consultations with the social worker and other service providers who 

had worked with mother, and interviewing mother’s own mother and one of mother’s 

close friends. 

Dr. Carmichael’s testimony regarding the findings of specific psychological tests 

he administered to mother generally reflected that mother was currently experiencing a 

number of psychological symptoms, including trauma symptoms, which were causing 

problems for her but which she was unwilling to endorse. The unwillingness to endorse 

certain symptoms indicated mother had difficulty tolerating the symptoms or was failing 

to appreciate the impact they were having on her ability to function. Regarding how such 

difficulty tolerating symptoms could impact a person’s ability to parent, Dr. Carmichael 

testified:

“[C]onfronted with stressors as we all would expect of a parent, if you’re 

unable to tolerate symptoms as they occur, if you’re easily triggered by

symptoms or situations that bring on your symptoms and your tendency is 

to dismiss or ignore things, that would, once again, have a problem for your 

own functioning in taking care of your own personal well-being and then 

being attentive to someone else’s needs, particularly a vulnerable or young 

child.” 
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Dr. Carmichael testified that mother’s responses to a psychological test called the 

“Substance Abuse Subtle Screening Inventory” showed that, while she was not aware of 

or not acknowledging alcohol was a problem for her, she was nonetheless “endorsing 

symptoms and situations that are commonly reported by those who have documented 

histories of substance abuse problems.” Regarding what mother’s responses revealed in 

terms of how she perceived the impact of alcohol on her life, Dr. Carmichael testified: 

“[Mother] was very consistent with her interview statements; the statements she made in 

the documents we reviewed and that it was not something she felt was a problem.” 

Regarding the implications of the test’s findings, Dr. Carmichael opined: 

“Well, at that time, [mother] had been involved in drug and alcohol specific 

services for at least a year, if not longer. And so when a person is in 

services that directly address those issues and having ongoing problems 

with a particular substance such as alcohol, in this case, and still 

maintaining [that] it isn’t a problem or a significant problem, that would be 

concerning about her use of or benefit from those services. [¶] ...[A] lack 

of awareness or an appreciation for the impact it has on one’s own 

functioning makes them less likely to make changes so that they could be 

more attentive and responsive as a parent.” 

Another psychological test administered to mother was the “Child Abuse Potential 

Inventory.” Dr. Carmichael explained that mother’s high score on the validity scale 

included in the test indicated she was “not endorsing problems or situations that typically 

people would admit to.” Regarding the overall findings of the test, Dr. Carmichael 

testified:

“So despite [mother’s] defensiveness or that approach to the measure, the 

Child Abuse Potential score was still high or elevated. That’s concerning 

given that you’re putting on a good front and you still have elevations on 

the overall abuse scale, that’s a concern. [¶] But there are also elevations 

on the problems with the family subscale. So recognizing that there’s a lot 

of family conflict, verbal or physical, and then also problems with self or a 

child, meaning I’m having a difficulty with myself or my kids are having 

difficulty, what that tells you is a lot of those things contribute to child 

abuse potential.” 
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Dr. Carmichael confirmed that mother’s elevations on the test and “the inability to 

address those issues absolutely would cause some concern with someone’s parenting 

ability at that time.” 

During the clinical interview portion of the psychological evaluation, mother told 

Dr. Carmichael that the last time she had a drink of alcohol was around September 2013 

or so, and that she stopped drinking because child protective services told her not to. 

Dr. Carmichael opined that mother was at a high risk of relapse, explaining:

“I believe that there’s a high risk for relapse for a number of reasons. One, 

being the lack of insight or appreciation for the difficulty that drinking 

presented. There was also services in place to help bring a person to get 

that appreciation. [¶] I seem to recall a time in April of 2013 that there was 

some diversion program or something in place and it was suggested that it 

be in place for about a year. There was an argument about wanting that to 

be accelerated to six months so she was able to discontinue drinking for 

those six months. However, right after that, she, again, started drinking and 

led to the current case. [¶] There’s always a concern when a person’s 

motivation to stop drink[ing] is to have the children returned. The thinking 

being that once the children are returned, what is there to keep a person 

from falling back into those habits when people are making comments that 

we heard. That caused us great concern.” 

In describing the clinical consultations that were part of the psychological 

evaluation, Dr. Carmichael testified that a peer counselor who had worked with mother in 

2013, shared her “concerns that [mother] struggled to translate some awareness into 

practice or kind of follow through with appreciating and taking active steps to avoid 

problems with alcohol in the future.” The fact mother had already worked on the same 

issue with other counselors in the past was concerning to Dr. Carmichael. The 

psychologist explained:

“[I]t calls into question a person’s ability to benefit from those targeted 

services. Certainly you would expect a person who is engaged in those 

services and admittedly is going to those services to start changing their 

perspective about their alcohol use and things they need to do to address it. 

That did not seem to be the case for [mother] given that she has been 
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involved with those services for approximately a year up to the point that I 

saw her.” 

Dr. Carmichael further testified that he diagnosed mother—whose early family 

history included domestic violence, physical abuse, and sexual abuse—with three 

diagnoses: panic disorder, PTSD, and adjustment disorder. Although people with these 

diagnoses were not, as a general matter, precluded from being suitable parents, 

Dr. Carmichael opined that mother’s ability to be attentive and responsive to her 

children’s needs was negatively affected by her persistent unawareness of, or 

unwillingness to recognize, the fact her alcohol use had impaired her relationships, and 

her attempts to avoid or suppress trauma symptoms she clearly still endorsed. 

When asked to explain his conclusion that mother was not capable of benefiting 

from further reunification services within the next six to 12 months, Dr. Carmichael 

testified:

“The diagnoses that we gave and the condition that she is in is certainly

treatable. But given the fact that she had been involved in reasonable 

services to address a number of those issues, but had shown no or limited 

progress for about a year, calls into question the person’s ability to continue 

benefiting even if they remain engaged in services. That was really the 

foundation for that opinion. Yes, this is treatable. But if you’re looking at 

this time frame, we did not believe that was going to be the case.” 

When asked what level of progress he would expect to see from an individual who 

had engaged in the services documented in mother’s records, Dr. Carmichael testified 

that “having a better appreciation for the fact that alcohol was impacting family 

functioning and her behaviors, that would be an example of something you’d like to see 

even long before a year’s long services.” 

Dr. Carmichael noted that mother presented as energetic and likable and never 

became combative or aggressively argumentative during the clinical interview. However, 

when mother was asked “more confrontational questions, she started talking about 

another person and why it was their problem or why they were kind [of] blaming her 
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which was pretty consistent with the testing from the PAI [(i.e., Personality Assessment 

Inventory)] and the relationship conversations we had.” 

Dr. Carmichael confirmed that, in late summer or early fall, mother contacted him 

and expressed concern that his evaluation had made her out to look like she was a bad 

person or a bad parent. Mother also offered to send information to Dr. Carmichael to 

review to see if it would change his opinion. While Dr. Carmichael did accept and 

review the information mother sent him, it did not change the overall nature of his 

opinion. 

Dr. Carmichael further testified that it would not change his opinion regarding 

mother’s inability to benefit from services in the next six or 12 months were he to learn 

from her individual therapist that after roughly three months of therapy, she had begun to 

exhibit some improvement, like calming down and appearing more receptive to 

treatment. In this regard, Dr. Carmichael testified: “It’s encouraging, but I would not say 

that alone kind of hanging in the balance and what we also know leading up to that point 

would be sufficient for me to change that opinion.” 

Dr. Deborah Schmidt, a licensed psychologist, conducted the second 

psychological evaluation of mother in October 2014, after receiving a referral from the 

department during the 12-month review period. Dr. Schmidt testified the referral asked 

her to assess mother’s psychological state to determine if mother was a safe parent or 

possessed the capacity to become one within the next six or 12 months if she participated 

in services. The parties stipulated that Dr. Schmidt, like Dr. Carmichael, was an expert in 

this area. 

In addition to describing the reports and records she reviewed in conducting 

mother’s psychological evaluation, Dr. Schmidt testified that the entire evaluation lasted 

six hours and seven minutes. The clinical interview component of the evaluation lasted 

four hours and 15 minutes. The remainder of the time was spent on psychological 

testing. 
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In characterizing her use of alcohol, mother told Dr. Schmidt that she had been 

“told” she was a “binge drinker.” Although mother described drinking to the point of 

passing out a number of times, Dr. Schmidt testified that mother did not “really believe” 

that she was an alcoholic because she “felt like she could drink or not drink.” 

Dr. Schmidt further testified: “She minimized the extent to which her alcohol 

consumption affected her parenting. She said that most of the time she had another adult 

present when she was drinking and so she felt like that didn’t affect her parenting 

ability.” 

Dr. Schmidt opined that the presence of another adult would not necessarily 

alleviate the negative impact mother’s drinking had on the children, explaining: 

“[F]or a parent to drink to the point of intoxication in front of their children 

can impact the children in a number of ways depending on how the parents 

behaved. If they said things they didn’t mean or passed out and became 

belligerent, the children don’t know what’s going to happen. If there was

any yelling, screaming or conflict, that could exacerbate any anxiety and 

ultimately end up resulting in trauma.” 

Regarding mother’s use of marijuana, a drug for which mother had a medical 

recommendation for anxiety, Dr. Schmidt opined that mother had a cannabis dependence 

disorder. Dr. Schmidt believed that in using marijuana on a nightly basis, mother was 

“substituting one drug for another.” Dr. Schmidt further opined that marijuana could 

impair mother’s ability to parent in a number of ways, including by leading to irritability, 

exacerbating psychiatric symptoms, and affecting judgment and decisionmaking. 

Dr. Schmidt testified her main concern was that mother exhibited a pervasive 

denial regarding “how her substance abuse had been problematic and resulted in her 

children being removed.” Dr. Schmidt observed that “[e]ven after participating in 

services for months,” mother had not reached “the point where she could take 

responsibility for her behavior and point out how she was going to change things.” 
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Regarding how mother characterized the reasons for the children’s removal, 

Dr. Schmidt testified that mother had told her that “they were taken away because her 

daughter reported that she had been abusive to her when she was at school” and that 

mother “blamed her daughter for exaggerating the situation.” Dr. Schmidt further 

testified that mother did not think the department’s intervention was necessary nor did 

she take any responsibility for the intervention. Although mother was cooperative during 

the interview, Dr. Schmidt observed that mother’s “affect tended to switch from being 

appropriate to very defensive and angry depending upon what the topic was.” 

One of the psychological tests Dr. Schmidt administered to mother was the 

“Parental Awareness Skills Survey.” It was comprised of a structured interview 

presenting parents with a variety of situations that parents commonly encounter with their 

children and asking them how they would handle those situations. Mother’s results on 

this test indicated “she lacked an awareness of the critical issues underlying the 

situations.” Dr. Schmidt explained that “[mother] could come up with a solution to deal 

with a certain behavior, but she had trouble understanding why the child was acting that 

way in the beginning and did not ask questions to try to determine what was really going 

on.” Asked what impact this could have on mother’s ability to parent, Dr. Schmidt 

testified: “Reacting to the behavior with punishment without trying to figure out what 

was really going on to deal with the underlying problem or the underlying issue.” 

Dr. Schmidt further testified that mother also had significant elevations on the 

validity scale measuring whether someone was endorsing a significant number of unusual 

psychological symptoms. In this regard, mother obtained significant elevations on the 

paranoid, schizophrenic, psychopathic, deviate, and hypochondriasis scales. Regarding 

the symptoms connected with these scores, Dr. Schmidt testified: 

“Well, the paranoia and schizophrenic scales were the highest elevated 

suggesting she endorsed being suspicious of others. Individuals with 

similar elevations tend to misinterpret the behaviors of others. They feel 

like they may be treated poorly and they are being discriminated against. 
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They blame others for their problems. They often feel like they are getting 

a raw deal out of life. They have trouble trusting others. At times, they 

may become delusional and psychotic because those elevations were at 

those levels. They tend to be anxious and fearful and uncomfortable 

around others.” 

Mother’s elevation on the combined psychopathic/deviate scale corresponded with a 

tendency to be “chronically angry, hostile, agitated, and may act out in a variety of 

ways.” 

Regarding how these symptoms could impact mother’s ability to benefit from 

further services, Dr. Schmidt testified that mother’s elevations were suggestive of a 

person who would have trouble trusting others and who would be suspicious of them. In 

mother’s case, she had shown difficulty accepting feedback and recommendations made 

by various service providers. Mother tended to blame others for her troubles and 

problems and to rationalize her own behavior, which was consistent with her test results. 

Dr. Schmidt explained that, in order to profit from services and treatment, rather than just 

rejecting what people tell you about your behavior, you need to be able to consider what 

people were telling you about your behavior and figure out how to apply it to correct your 

behavior in your everyday life. 

Based on her overall assessment, Dr. Schmidt opined that mother had PTSD, a 

Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Polysubstance Dependence Disorder in remission, and an 

active Cannabis Dependence Disorder. Although people with these diagnoses were not 

necessarily precluded from being suitable parents, in mother’s case, they negatively 

affected her ability to parent. Dr. Schmidt explained that mother had experienced early 

childhood trauma, during which she was repeatedly exposed to conflict and violence. 

She never developed the coping mechanisms she needed to deal with the anxiety that 

resulted from trauma because she started using drugs and alcohol and abusing herself at a 

very early age. Mother had also had poor coping skills modeled for her. Consequently, 

Dr. Schmidt opined that mother had trouble modulating her emotions and anxiety when 
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she felt threatened or was in a conflictual situation and tended instead to abuse substances 

and act out in various ways. Mother described using many different substances over the 

years, including alcohol, cocaine, and methamphetamine. More recently when the 

children were detained, mother was not only taking prescription opiates but was mixing it 

with alcohol and marijuana, which resulted in her parenting abilities becoming impaired. 

Dr. Schmidt opined that mother’s lack of coping skills placed her at risk for 

engaging in conflict with others, including significant others, service providers, and her 

children. Dr. Schmidt explained that when mother perceived herself to be threatened in 

any way, she tended to react emotionally without thinking about what she is doing. 

Dr. Schmidt noted that the delivered service log of the social worker reflected this was 

something mother had repeatedly done during visits with the children, and it was also 

apparent in the very unhealthy relationships she had with J.C. and T.H., where conflict 

was ongoing. 

Dr. Schmidt further opined that her concerns would not be alleviated were she to 

learn that mother had maintained her sobriety with respect to alcohol for a year. Rather, 

she would continue to think mother had “a fairly significant risk for relapse.” Asked to 

explain the bases of her conclusion that mother was unlikely to benefit from further 

reunification services within the next six to 12 months, Dr. Schmidt’s testified:

 “She’s been participating in services for a number of months, but 

yet, as I said before, when I saw her, she was continuing to smoke the 

marijuana. 

“In reading the delivered service logs, she was continuing to exhibit 

conflict with service providers, her children, her significant others and other 

individuals. [¶] ... [¶] 

“When I evaluated her, she—she had difficulty understanding how 

she was responsible for her children being placed in protective custody and 

tended to blame others, including her significant others in various 

circumstances.
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“She didn’t take responsibility that her substance abuse or the 

conflict she engaged in in front of her children had a negative impact and/or 

traumatized them. And one would have thought she’d be able to gain some 

kind of insight into that after receiving multiple services, but she has not.” 

Asked what level of progress she would have expected given the services mother 

had received, Dr. Schmidt testified:

“That she would, first of all, accept that her behavior had been influential in 

her children being removed from her care and her substance abuse was a 

problem rather than minimizing the extent that it was a problem. She 

played a role in engaging in the conflict with her significant others which 

traumatized her children.” 

Asked whether it would change her opinion to learn that mother’s individual 

therapist had stated that, after roughly eight sessions, mother began to exhibit some 

receptiveness to treatment and calming of her demeanor, Dr. Schmidt testified: “I don’t 

think it would change my opinion, no; not after reading the delivered service log. [¶] I 

believe it was on October 24, she had conflictual interactions with her daughter, the 

supervisor, [J.C.], and [T.H.] in front of her children.” 

Asked what mother’s recent actions of posting on Facebook, photographs taken 

during a supervised visit of the children holding up a sign saying they wanted to go 

home, along with comments about Child Welfare Services kidnapping children,

suggested about mother’s progress, Dr. Schmidt opined: “That she, again, was not taking 

responsibility for her behavior and blaming others for the situation she’s created.” 

Social worker Emily Flosi, who was assigned to mother’s case, testified about a 

meeting on October 31, 2014, that had been requested by Josh Tracy, a therapist who had 

recently been assigned to provide counseling services to mother. Topics discussed at the 

meeting included mother’s defensiveness and lack of insight in taking responsibility for 

her actions, gaining appropriate communication skills with both her children and adults, 

as well as the concerns brought up through her psychological evaluation through 

University of California, Davis. Throughout the meeting, mother was argumentative and 
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continued to be defensive about the department’s concerns. Since that meeting, Flosi had 

not seen any progress in mother, although Tracy had reported to her that, during mother’s 

most recent appointment with him, she had seemed more receptive and open to taking 

responsibility. 

Regarding supervised visits, Flosi testified that mother often made negative 

comments about the social workers and foster parents to the children. For example, when 

two other social workers took S1 and S2 out to eat before a visit in order to talk to and 

spend time with them, mother became very angry with the department and the social 

workers because the children were not hungry to eat the food mother had brought to the 

visit. Mother became so agitated, a supervisor was required to come in and direct mother 

not to speak about the incident during the visit and to spend time with the children instead 

of arguing and making negative comments about the social workers. 

Mother also engaged in conflicts with S2 during some of the supervised visits. 

Flosi explained that there had been “multiple issues with cell phones” where social 

workers had to intervene because of conflict that would arise when mother would take 

away S2’s cell phone, for which her father paid. 

Regarding mother’s inappropriate Facebook postings by mother and T.H., Flosi 

testified they constituted a breach of confidentiality during the supervised visit on 

December 19, 2014, during which the children posed for a picture with a sign saying all 

they wanted for Christmas was to go home. Flosi confirmed the Facebook posts were 

public and that mother and T.H. had made comments encouraging others to share the 

posts. When Flosi tried to speak with S1 and S2 about the picture, they were reluctant to 

talk about it or go into detail. They simply said they had made a sign and posed for the 

picture. 

Flosi opined that mother’s comments on Facebook regarding why the department 

removed the children (“keeps changing ... they still won’t say”) showed that mother still 

had not gained any insight. When Flosi talked to mother about the Facebook post, 
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mother said she did not understand why it was inappropriate and was not receptive to 

Flosi’s attempts to explain but became argumentative instead. 

Flosi concluded that, although mother had participated in all the required services 

in her case plan, her behavior itself had not changed. Mother was still very defensive 

about her role in the children’s removal and not taking responsibility for her actions. 

Mother continued to have a lot of difficulty regulating her own emotions and being able 

to have a conversation about these issues. Flosi opined that such resistance and 

defensiveness made it difficult to engage in and get something out of services. Given that 

mother had been participating in reunification services for the past year and voluntary 

services for several months before that and still showed no progress or gain in insight, 

Flosi did not think there was a substantial probability that by the 18-month review 

hearing mother would make “all of that progress in that short amount of time.” 

Mother called a number of witnesses on her behalf. S1 testified that living with 

her foster parents was emotionally difficult and she would prefer to return to her parents, 

starting with mother. S1 felt safe around mother and did not have to worry about getting 

judged. S1 also wanted more frequent visits with mother and for visits to occur in a more 

home-like setting or in a park or other public place. Although they had visits at a park a 

few times, the visits had moved back to the social services office. 

During the 15 to 16 months she had been in foster care, S1 had noticed changes in 

mother and believed that mother had become better at communicating with the children 

and was able to handle more. S1 thought mother had made progress in dealing with 

stress and had observed mother calm herself when she started getting stressed by taking a 

moment to breathe. Mother was also better at remaining patient. S1 felt safe with mother 

and thought mother was improving and making steady progress. S1 testified she did not 

believe mother would start drinking again if S1 went home “because I feel this time she 

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On cross-examination, S1 acknowledged having witnessed mother intoxicated on 

numerous occasions. However, she did not feel afraid or worry too much about 

something horrible happening because mother always had someone around her who was 

sober. When asked about her understanding of the reasons for the department’s 

involvement with her family, S1 testified, “I believe it was the domestic violence that 

cause most of [it] and my mom’s habit of drinking.” 

S1 also testified that there was tension between mother and S2 during supervised 

visits and that she would step in to defend S2, when S2 would get into an argument with 

mother. S1 believed there was only tension between mother and S2, and not between 

mother and any of the other siblings, explaining, “I feel like [mother] blames [S2] for 

being in the situation and then it just starts from there. If my mom says something, I’ll 

tell her that it’s not [S2’s] fault.” S1 confirmed she felt like her role with mother and S2 

was that of “peacemaker.” 

Regarding the Facebook picture, in which S1 was the one holding up the sign 

about wanting to go home for Christmas, S1 testified that mother had asked her if she 

wanted to hold the sign and she had said “sure.” S1 felt like what the sign said was true. 

She did not know what they were going to do with the picture or who posted it on 

Facebook. 

Mother’s friend, Jacquelyn, who had known mother since childhood, testified that 

mother was like a sister to her and she trusted mother with her own children. Jacquelyn 

did not think mother was a problem drinker. When mother would occasionally use 

alcohol, she always made arrangements to make sure someone was watching the children. 

Jacquelyn testified that she had noticed positive changes in mother’s ability to 

cope with stress, explaining: “[W]ith all the parenting classes, the anger management 

and all the meetings that she’s attended, there’s just a serenity and peace within her or a 

calmness to handle things that are coming up in her life.” Jacquelyn described mother as 

having a positive attitude and being confident and determined to get the children back. 
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M.N., mother’s 20-year-old son, who had been living with mother and T.H. since 

July 2014, and lived with her for a time when he was in high school, testified that mother 

was a great parent and that he had never observed her drinking too much. M.N. further 

testified that mother was a responsible person and, every time she would drink, she would 

leave the home and go out with friends and she would always make sure there was 

somebody to take care of the children. 

When asked about changes he had observed in mother since coming to live with 

her, M.N. testified that mother had quit drinking and smoking, and she had developed 

better communication skills with T.H. and there was less fighting and arguing between 

them. M.N. thought mother’s attitude towards the department had improved and 

characterized it as “respectful.” She was determined to do what was necessary to get the 

children back and was always upbeat and outgoing about her counseling and meetings. 

M.N. had no fears about his siblings being returned to her care. 

When questioned about his understanding of what had led to the dependency 

proceedings, M.N. testified: “As far as I know, my sister had an altercation with my 

mom and she had said that my mom abused her and that’s what led to the kids being 

taken away.” M.N. was not aware that mother’s use of alcohol was a factor in the case. 

Four individuals who knew mother from her participation in AA and Al-Anon

testified regarding their positive impressions of mother’s participation in those 12-step 

programs. One witness, who knew mother from AA, testified that mother went “from 

being shy and reticent to participating in groups and getting into what we call service 

helping others.” Another witness from AA described mother and T.H. as having become 

“pillars of the 12-step community.” 

The third witness, who knew mother from Al-Anon, testified that mother was a 

“different person” from when she started and had become more emotionally stable and 

able to handle day-to-day problems without becoming angry or blowing up. Regarding 

the reasons for why mother was participating in Al-Anon, the witness testified he only 
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knew what mother shared at meetings, and he recalled her sharing that she was a member 

of another 12-step program, and she wanted help from Al-Anon too because she had 

“grown up in the disease with everybody around her in the disease.” He also recalled 

mother sharing that the children had been taken away and that she was in pain and really 

wanted them back. But he did not recall her ever mentioning that domestic violence had 

been involved. 

The fourth witness testified that she had known mother “not quite a year” and was 

mother’s AA sponsor. Mother seemed sincere in her efforts to succeed in the program 

and had not been resistant to any of the sponsor’s suggestions. Mother’s sponsor further 

testified that mother and T.H. came over to her home for Thanksgiving and she had been 

to their home several times and she had never seen them argue or fight. 

When asked if mother had made any progress during the year they had known 

each other, mother’s AA sponsor responded: “Oh my gosh. When I first met [mother], I 

didn’t think I would ever talk to her just from her language and the way she dressed. She 

just quit smoking. Every single thing she could possibly think of to change her way to be 

a wife and a mother, she—if anybody even suggests anything, then she’s willing to take 

the steps to do it.” 

Regarding whether she knew about the facts leading to the dependency case, 

mother’s sponsor testified: “We haven’t really got that deep, but just her alcoholism and 

her learning that she truly is an alcoholic and changing all that and taking the steps 

towards that. I don’t know a lot of her history with her and her children. I know a little 

bit about her ex-husband’s abuse and about being reported and the phone calls being 

called in.” 

Mother’s parenting class instructor, Susan Knopf, testified regarding mother’s 

positive participation in and successful completion of the class and opined that mother 

was benefiting from services. Knopf further testified that S1 was old enough to 
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participate in part of the class and Knopf observed that mother related to S1 in an 

appropriate manner. 

Knopf acknowledged she was not aware of mother’s referral history. As to the 

facts leading to the dependency case, Knopf testified: “I was just told certain things 

about drinking. That’s all I got.” She was not told anything about domestic violence. 

Mother’s current counselor, Josh Tracy, a marriage and family therapist, testified 

that since he started counseling mother in September 2014, they had met for a total of 

nine sessions. Tracy opined that mother had made progress in her primary goal in 

counseling which was to develop coping skills to handle anxiety. Tracy observed that 

during their last session on January 9, 2015, mother was “quite calm” and she did not 

exhibit “any form of anxiety.” 

Mother’s husband, T.H., testified that, in his opinion, there was no risk of mother 

relapsing into using alcohol. But if the children were returned to him, or if he had the 

children for a visit, and he discovered mother was inebriated or had used alcohol, his 

response would be to take his children and leave and make sure they were not exposed to 

that behavior. He had also learned to avoid domestic violence and would not allow his 

children to see it. 

Regarding the inappropriate Facebook posts in December 2014, T.H. testified that 

it had been his idea to post something on Facebook and that he now thought it had not 

been a good idea and he understood that it should not have been done because of 

confidentiality. He also understood about cooperating with the department and that it had 

not been a good idea to put his opinion about the department or the department’s position 

on the Internet. 

Dr. Alexandra Campbell, a clinical psychologist who provided therapy to mother 

based on the department’s referral, testified that after mother’s initial intake session on 

March 4, 2014, mother attended approximately 17 individual therapy sessions with her 

between April 2, and August 20, 2014, around the time Dr. Campbell stopped working 
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with the department. Dr. Campbell believed that counseling had helped mother and 

noticed improvement, particularly in the areas of mother’s anxiety and difficulty 

sleeping. Over time, mother also seemed to become more self-confident and willing to 

respond to Dr. Campbell’s suggestions for change, such as the suggestion to dress more 

conservatively. 

Asked whether mother’s willingness to change applied to her attitude towards the 

use of alcohol, Dr. Campbell responded:

“Yeah. You know, she had been a bit reluctant in the beginning to really 

identify herself as an alcoholic. I recall that we had a lot of discussions 

about her feeling that she clearly identified herself as a recovering drug 

addict. In a way to her, alcohol was kind of subsumed under that general 

heading, so there was, you know, a little bit of resistance at first for a while 

on just using the specific term. But over time, she did become, you know, 

more willing to admit that alcohol had been, you know, a specific problem 

and to identify herself as an alcoholic. I believe she told me about, you 

know, one court appearance where she was able to acknowledge that.” 

Regarding her perception of mother’s progress outside therapy and in the other 

services she was receiving, Dr. Campbell testified: 

“From what she would tell me about, of course, I would only have to go on 

the client’s self-report. She was, you know, very active in her 12-step 

recovery community and was, um, doing—I believe there may have been 

parenting classes and some others possibly. I don’t know if anger 

management was part of it. But, you know, she would—she seemed very 

engaged and would report very positively, especially on her interaction in 

12-step recovery.” 

Dr. Campbell further opined that mother’s “getting out more and getting very 

involved [socially] with the 12-step meetings and other things” had helped contribute to 

her increase in self-confidence and reduction of anxiety symptoms. 

When asked about whether she had been able to make any observations about 

mother’s level of self-control or management of anger, Dr. Campbell testified: 

“Um, well, you know, without seeing her in the direct environment where 

those things might be an issue, it’s hard to gauge exactly, um, because, 
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again, I just have the client with me and you kind of rely on what they are 

telling you. But she would report that those areas were improving.” 

Regarding mother’s ability to benefit from continuing reunification services, 

Dr. Campbell responded to questioning by mother’s counsel, in pertinent part, as follows:

“Q. And being familiar with the Case Plan and the objectives of 

the Case Plan, was it—is it your impression that at least as of August, that 

at that time she would benefit from further services—the whole panel of 

services that were offered by Child Welfare Services?

“A. Well, I was never asked to really specifically make that kind 

of a determination. You know, I’m not an expert in that area. But at the 

time, yeah, I’m sure that’s what I thought.

“Because, I mean, I would believe that most people who seem to be 

making the amount of effort that [mother] was, at least in our work, would 

continue to benefit. It would be rare that somebody wouldn’t benefit at all 

probably in my opinion.

“Q. And if a psychologist, based on standardized test results, 

whether it would be the MMPI [Minnesota Multiphasic Personality 

Inventory] or some other personality inventory or other testing results, 

determined that she would not benefit, would you agree with that 

conclusion?

“A. Um, it’s—you know, since I work with her directly 

personally for, you know, many weeks, I would probably rely more on my 

own opinion. I mean, so I don’t know if I could say I would be expert 

enough to say, oh, I completely disagree, because I’m not an expert in sort 

of the whole area of child custody evaluations or anything. But my own 

impression would be that she would continue to benefit.

“Q. And do you have—is there any reason why you would feel 

that she’ll not benefit now from further services?

“A. Well, I don’t have any personal knowledge now, so I can’t 

really speak to what’s going on right now.

“Q. Do you know of any reason that—

“A. No.

“Q. —[That] she would not benefit?
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“A. No, I don’t know of any.” 

Mother was the last witness to testify at the 12-month review hearing. At the 

beginning of direct examination by her counsel, she testified that she recalled the incident 

that led to her children’s removal and that she was “fully aware” her decisions or choices 

contributed to that incident. Mother also confirmed that she felt alcohol was a problem in 

her life and identified October 10, 2013, as the last time she had had a drink of alcohol 

and October 11, 2013, as her “sobriety date.” Since then, she had not consumed any 

alcoholic beverages. 

Mother confirmed she used medical marijuana as recommended by a physician. 

She also took Klonopin daily for anxiety but was “actually taking less” than what she had 

been originally prescribed, explaining “I’m prescribed three a day just in case, but I’ve 

actually only needed two.” Mother did not take any medications or street drugs that had 

not been prescribed to her. 

When asked whether, at first, she was “resistant to the suggestions, say, in 

counseling or in the parenting class,” mother responded, “[o]f course I was.” Her 

attitude, however, had changed since then in that she became calmer and began to have a 

more positive outlook. She also learned to communicate the issues she had, not just with 

the social worker, but also with her husband. Mother described how she and T.H. made 

the decision to call Dot Patterson and voluntarily participate in Patterson’s 12-week 

course which addressed domestic violence, anger management, and impulse control, 

which they paid for themselves. 

Mother also participated in all the services that were recommended as part of her 

case plan and did so willingly, not begrudgingly. She was also a member of both AA and 

Al-Anon, and had served as secretary for both groups. Now she was the secretary of the 

AA group, which met twice per week, and T.H. was the secretary of the Al-Anon group, 

which met once per week. Asked why she had participated in so many 12-step meetings, 

mother testified:
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“Um, I found once I got into recovery, I was very resistant. I didn’t 

understand how alcohol had not just affected me, but how it’s affected my 

family. It’s—it’s magical. It’s like you go there and you walk out of the 

room and everybody is there because they have the same problem. They 

just want to stop. They don’t ever want to pick up again.” 

Mother confirmed that participation in AA and Al-Anon had given her the tools to 

avoid using alcohol. If the children were returned to her that day or in the future, mother 

testified, she planned to continue with the 12-step programs and to abstain from drinking 

alcoholic beverages, even in moderation, because she had learned “you never pick up the 

first one and then you don’t have to worry about the next.” 

Mother further testified that she had learned tools to avoid both verbal and 

physical domestic violence situations from her anger management class, which she 

completed in May 2014. When asked if parenting classes had also helped her in that 

regard, mother testified: 

“Um, it helped me be more understanding of my older children’s 

growth and their development. I mean, I had it nailed for the family and 

how they developed, but I’ve had eight children, so I was able to 

understand more about, like, why [S1] would be kind of seclusive [sic] in 

her room. It’s not that she’s mad or she’s angry, but she just needs her 

alone time and her space.

“With [S2], she was twelve going on thirteen, and I was having 

struggles with her mouth, for lack of a better term. She was talking back 

and being rude and being mean. I learned that that was perfectly normal 

too. Just because [S1] didn’t do it, [S2] was a completely different person.” 

Mother went on to confirm her participation in anger management and parenting 

classes, as well as in AA and Al-Anon, had helped her to learn the importance of not 

exposing the children to domestic violence situations or the use of alcohol. She also 

learned not to involve the children in her struggles with the department or with regard to 

the dependency case. 
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When next asked whether it was a mistake or whether she defended writing 

something on Facebook about the children and their being taken from the home, mother 

testified as follows:

“A. I completely apologize for disrespecting the Court. I’m going 

to get that out now and CWS. But that was not the intent. The intent was a 

family Christmas card. When we asked the children what they wanted for 

Christmas, I was expecting, I want hot rods and race a track or I wan [sic] 

makeup or money or whatever. All they said is I wanted to go home. It 

just kind of broke my heart. They made their little poster thing and we took 

pictures and it was never intended to go onto Facebook. That was never 

ever my intention.

“Q. When—when you say they ‘wanted to go home,’ does that 

mean to your home?

“A. Yeah, yeah. They wanted to come home with us.

“Q. So whose idea was it to make a sign or a poster?

“A. Well, like I said, it was intended to make a family Christmas 

card that said Merry Christmas and then put the year on it. What ended up 

happening was the kids saying, all we want for Christmas is to go home. 

We took that picture and it ended up posted up and then I posted one and 

we all got in trouble.

“Q. Was that sign your idea or the kids?

“A. It wasn’t—it wasn’t an idea. It just happened. That’s what I 

was trying to say.

“Q. Well, who wrote the sign?

“A. I didn’t.

“Q. Do you know who did?

“A. I don’t know who was writing the sign. We have six kids, so 

we’re kind of all scattered in the library. There was a supervisor there. She 

might be able—she might be able to tell you.

“Q. Okay. Did you put them up to it or dictate what the sign 

would say?
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“A. No.

“Q. You’re aware you’ve been ordered not to run anything on 

social media regarding this case or violate the confidentiality of the juvenile 

files?

“A. I have not even posted a picture of their visits.

“Q. And you said you intend to abide by that order?

“A. Yes.

“Q. Since that one incident, have you run anything in Facebook or 

any other social media in that regard? 

“A. No.” 

Mother’s counsel next asked mother whether she felt she would benefit from 

further services if they were offered. Mother responded:

“If they were to offer more services, I don’t know what more services they 

could offer to be beneficial. I think that I have completely and totally gone 

above and beyond what I could benefit from. I continue to benefit 

everyday through my programs that I work, but I don’t really need a court 

order to do that. If they wanted to provide me and have me do that, I could 

do that. Yes, I will continue to benefit from them. It’s kind of all in the 

eye of the beholder, because the—the way I feel is that, here, you did this 

and if you do this, we’ll give you your kids back. Now that you’ve done 

this and if you do this, we’ll give you your kids. Okay. Then I get here and 

they say, if you do this, then we’ll give you your kids. Well, then I get here 

and I complete it and where’s my kids? Oh, well, you don’t get them now.” 

Mother went on to testify that there had not been any further incidents of domestic 

violence since the children had been detained. Regarding her husband, T.H., mother 

testified that they had learned through their coursework what triggered their arguments 

and “to walk away from one another instead of—instead of me never backing down or 

standing my ground or vice versa.” She had also learned tools of communication and 

compromise and was able to control conflicts. 

Mother did not think the children would be at risk of being exposed to new 

incidents of domestic violence in the home, explaining: “Most of the domestic violence 
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wasn’t with [T.H.]” Mother further testified that the domestic violence was with her 

previous partner, J.C., that she had never had any physical altercations with T.H., and that 

she had managed to get a handle on the verbal conflicts. 

Mother did not see any problem with the recommendation of T.H. receiving 

further services or any reason she would not also wish to participate in further services. 

Mother thought more services for them could only be helpful for them to learn more tools 

to become more capable of “just being calm and communicative and not holding 

resentments.” 

Regarding her children with J.C., mother confirmed that if those children were 

awarded temporarily or permanently to his custody and control, she would be willing to 

assist him and to engage in visitation so that they could still have a relationship with her. 

Mother added, however, that she hoped the court would recognize all her efforts and 

return all of the children to her home and she did not understand why the department was 

recommending they be placed with J.C. In this regard, mother testified: 

“[E]ven though I benefitted from every service they’ve offered me and 

improved my life in every possible way that I could, they want to put them 

with volatile men. Maybe I’m crazy, but I just don’t understand. But then, 

again, I don’t know how [J.C.] acts when I’m not around. You know, I 

don’t—I know how he acts when he’s around me. I know how that he’s a 

danger to me.” 

Mother acknowledged that one of the criticisms against her was that she had been 

associating with J.C. and allowing him in her home, which had been detrimental to the 

children. Asked who she thought the aggressor had been in her disputes with J.C., 

mother testified as follows: 

“The aggressor, in my personal opinion, was [J.C.] I went to AA 

birthday night. I got home and got accused of sleeping with the person that 

drove me so, therefore, I felt that he had instigated the fight since it was my 

home. I lived in a gated community. He was not allowed in the gated 

community and he was there to offer his help in watching the kids while I 

went to AA.
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“When I got home, I was not expecting that. So when I stood my 

ground, I was on the deck and I had a shovel. I told [S2] to call 9-1-1 and 

to get in the house and lock the door. I stood on[] the deck in between me, 

him and the children. Because even—if he hurts me, that’s one thing. He 

can hurt me all he wants, but I want to let him get to my children.”

Mother next denied that she had threatened anyone with a shovel or with an axe during 

the incident. 

During cross-examination by the children’s counsel, mother gave the following 

answer when asked what she believed had been the cause of the incident with S2 prior to 

the children’s removal:

“There’s a lot of causes to that incident stemming up beforehand. We 

went—we went to CWS. From my ... understanding, I was done with what 

they were requiring of me. On her birthday, I had to go to CNVC. As a 

result of what CPS wanted me to do, I had to file a restraining order against 

her father. Her birthday was October .... And on October 9th, she had her 

championship at [school]. [The social worker] went down there and talked 

with [S2] and had her in tears to where [mother’s friend] had to pull [S2] 

away so she could play her basketball game. She came back that night 

third place in her basketball game and freaked out about my drinking and 

said I was an alcoholic. [The social worker] said I could not drink and that 

I had lied to her, but I didn’t lie to her.” 

On redirect, mother responded to further questioning about the incident with S2 as 

follows:

“Q. Now, [S2] was upset, went ballistic because she thought that 

you shouldn’t—you were ordered not to drink at all?

“A. Correct.

“Q. And so she was expressing herself about that?

“A. Yes.

“Q. And did that lead to an altercation between you and [S2]?

“A. Yes.

“Q. And did you intentionally hurt [S2]?
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“A. No.

“Q. Did she fall down accidentally? What happened?

“A. She didn’t really fall down. She threw herself to the ground. 

She freaked out. I don’t know if it was the domestic violence. I don’t 

know if it was the restraining order. I don’t know if it was the basketball 

game or alcohol. I don’t know exactly what pinpointed her outbursts. She 

threw herself to the ground and she started kicking at me.

“In the process of me trying to restrain her legs, she kicked me in the 

face and I swatted her on her butt twice. I know you’re not supposed to hit 

your kids. I don’t believe in hitting my kids, but I swatted her on the butt 

twice for being kicked in the face. I said, why are you acting like this? 

What happened? What happened? I’m going to let you cool down and I 

need a minute and I walked out the [door]. ...I threw my hands in the air. I 

went downstairs and went to [S1’s]. I said, would you please go talk to 

your sister. I don’t understand what’s going on with her. I think she needs 

you. 

“When I went back upstairs, I looked at [S1] and [S1] looked at me 

and [S2] had told [S1] that I had backhanded her. That’s all I know about 

the incident that may have been reported.” 

Mother’s counsel next asked mother if, since the incident with S2, she had had any 

other altercations with S2 or any of the other children and this exchange followed:

“A. [S2], yes. I have had a couple of altercations. One, being that 

she called and asked if she could pierce her nose at twelve years old and I 

told her no, absolutely no facial piercing. Her father took her to pierce it 

anyways, so I tried to remove her phone from her for a week for—as 

punishment and the social worker came out and said that she wanted the 

phone and that [J.C.] paid the bill and I had to give up the phone.

“As close as the last three visits ago, I asked [S2]—I was trying to 

get her to look at me and to remove the sunglasses she was wearing. It’s 

like she’s gotten so far and she knows she doesn’t have to listen and there’s 

no way for me to make her listen or punish her for anything.

“Q. And do you think you have a bad relationship with [S2]?

“A. No. I don’t think [S2] and I have a bad relationship. I just 

think that we need to get into family counseling so that I can better 

understand what mood it is that she’s going through, because the mental 
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health disability that runs in our heritage could be passed onto my children 

such as [D.]’s special needs. She’s a special needs child.

“[S2] could have a mental health issue where she could be a 

psychopath and you’d never even know. She’s never been tested. She’s 

never been tested for any mental health issues, so it’s just a matter of her 

being a teen-age girl perfectly normal out lashing out and we just need to 

come together and find a way that we can communicate together.” 

 After listening to the arguments of counsel, the juvenile court adopted the 

department’s recommendations and explained its findings and orders, in pertinent part, as 

follows: 

“Now we come to the issues related to [mother] and [T.H.] .... The 

question for [T.H.] is he is requesting that the children be returned to him 

today. And [sections] 361.5 ... and 366.21 provide that at the 12-Month 

review, the Court must return the children to the home of the parents unless 

the Court finds that there would be a finding of detriment to the children to 

return them to the home.

“And in doing so, I have to take note of the fact that [T.H.] and 

[mother] are still living together and that would be to return them to that 

home. This case involves—we talked a lot about the use of the word chaos 

in a family. This Court has heard a whole bunch of hearings related to the 

family. In fact, I’ll take judicial notice of that I was—I was the judge who 

heard the domestic violence application by [mother], she’s referring to, so I 

heard all that evidence.

“...I’ll take judicial notice of all [the department] reports. I 

reviewed all of those, so I’m really familiar with this family and the 

incident back in September [2013]. I would have been terrified to be there. 

I mean, it was horrific. Both [J.C.] and [mother] have fault in that. That 

domestic violence was perpetrated by both of them.

“But today what I heard from [mother] was that she still takes the 

position she was defending her children. Defending your children doesn’t 

include taking a shovel and smashing out windows of trucks and knocking 

side view mirrors off of trucks. That was not defending your children. In 

fact, it was exposing the children to horrific violence. It was detrimental to 

the children. And I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever that if I was 

to return the children to [T.H.] or [mother], that we wouldn’t—we wouldn’t 

be back in that same position in weeks, if not months. I have no confidence 

in that at all.
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“I’m really concerned for these children. I do find that a return to 

[T.H.] at this time would be detrimental to the children. I find that return to 

the custody of [mother] would be detrimental to the children because of the 

level of violence that took place.

“In regard to [mother], her—her lack of insight into what caused 

that, that was evidenced today by her testimony on the witness stand.

“So I’m going to find that there is—it would be detrimental to the 

children to return them to the home at this time. I will concede—and I 

think the evidence is clear that [T.H.] has made progress, but it is not safe 

for the children to be returned at this time. So I am going to order—well, 

let me go on and talk about—since we’re at the 12-month hearing, what the 

Court has to find here—one of the options, if the Court is not going to 

return the children at the 12-month permanency hearing, because the Court 

finds that there is still—it would be detrimental to the children to be 

returned to the home, is to continue the case for further services.

“It’s the recommendation of the Department that I continue services 

for [T.H.] but not for [mother]. The Court can only continue the case if 

there’s a substantial probability that the permanent plan of having the child 

returned and safely maintained in the physical custody of the parent will be 

achieved within the eighteen-month period. That’s one. Or that Social 

Services has not provided.

“I will find that reasonable services have been offered to the parents. 

I think the evidence is clear and convincing and [mother’s] counsel has 

conceded that point, so the question is, is there a reasonable probability or 

substantial probability—the language in the statute is, is there a substantial 

probability that the child can be returned to the parents and safely 

maintained in the home within the period of time—the eighteen months 

expires sometime in May is when it expires. That’s when the eighteenmonth review is set.

“In making that determination, the Court has to address these three 

issues: Whether, one, the parent has consistently and regularly contacted 

and visited with the children. I find that they have.

“Two, the parent or guardian has made significant progress in 

working on their plan and resolving the problems that led to the children’s 

removal. As to [T.H.], I find that to be true based on the evidence that was 

presented.
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“And whether the parents ha[ve] shown the capacity and ability to 

complete his or her treatment plan, objectives and to provide for the 

children’s safety, protection and physical and emotional well-being and 

special needs, by the eighteen-month review hearing, based on the 

evidence, I will find that [T.H.] does have the capacity and ability to 

complete the Treatment Plan within the period of time shown.

“So the question then becomes—and based on that, the Court is 

going to order that [T.H.] review, sign and comply with the Family 

Reunification Case Plan. So then comes the difficult question of whether 

or not the Court should order services for [mother]. And it’s the same 

issues. Has she consistently and regularly contacted and visited the 

children. Yes, that’s absolutely true. Has she made substantial or 

significant progress in working her Case Plan in resolving the problems that 

led to the children’s removal? The burden here is on her to show that. The 

Court finds detriment to the children to return the children at this time. 

She’s done—you know, the record is clear she’s done everything that—that 

Social Services and Child Welfare Services have asked her to do. She’s 

done all the AA meetings and she has done the parenting classes. The 

question is, has she gotten it? Does she have the insight into what caused 

the problems that led to the child’s removal? Has she made significant 

progress in resolving those problems? 

“Now, [mother’s counsel] points out that there hasn’t been any 

domestic violence. She has made substantial progress in terms of her 

alcoholism. I think it’s at least a recognition, but, I mean, I have real issues 

even with her testimony today, you know. In her view, I’ve done 

everything they asked me to do and, therefore, I should get my kids back. 

It’s—the missing piece is there is—she doesn’t see how—what she did and 

the way she’s looking at her life to this point and the effect it has on her 

kids and the trauma that these kids have been subject to. These poor 

children have lived a life that’s been filled with trauma. The question is, 

will she be able to reunify within six months? Now, [mother’s counsel] 

sort of, at this point, towed around with all the witnesses called by 

[mother], would she benefit? Would she continue to benefit from services? 

Sure, sure, she would continue to benefit.

“That’s not—the issue before the Court is, is there a substantial 

probability that she’s going to be able to safely parent these children by the 

eighteen-month review hearing? That’s the issue. Has she made 

significant progress to prove to the Court that she would be able to safely 

parent? Even in her testimony today, you can see the defensiveness. You 

can see that when she was challenged on any kind of point, she became 
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defensive. I mean, I don’t know how many notes I made when she was 

answering questions from County Counsel that she started arguing with 

County Counsel about what she did.

“In the Court’s view, while [mother] has made some progress, she 

has not made substantial progress or significant progress. And while 

[mother’s counsel] says that the psychologists are trying to predict the 

future, that’s exactly what the statute asks me to do, is to determine whether 

there is a substantial probability that she’s going to be able to safely parent 

these children by the eighteenth-month review.

“What do I have to guide me in that? The evidence that was 

presented by the professional opinions of the objective psychologists and 

the—and the opinions of her friends and associates, one of whom was her 

close friend from childhood and clearly has a bias in favor of [mother] and 

the people that have known her for the period of time she’s been involved 

in AA. She’s, you know, a good participant in AA. And that may all well 

be true, but does it show that there’s a substantial probability that she would 

be able to safely reunify with her children by the eighteenth-month review? 

I cannot answer that question affirmatively.

“The Court will find that Pursuant to 361.21, that at this time, that 

reunification services will be terminated to [mother].” 

DISCUSSION

I. Substantial Evidence Supports the Juvenile Court’s Detriment Finding.

Mother contends there was no substantial evidence to support the juvenile court’s 

finding at the 12-month review hearing that return of the children to her custody would 

create a substantial risk of detriment to the children. We disagree.

A. Applicable law

“We start with the fundamental premise that the underlying purpose of 

dependency law is to protect the welfare and best interests of the dependent child.” (In re 

Luke M. (2003) 107 Cal.App.4th 1412, 1424–1425.) “Although a parent’s interest in the 

care, custody and companionship of a child is a liberty interest that may not be interfered 

with in the absence of a compelling state interest, the welfare of a child is a compelling 

state interest that a state has not only a right, but a duty, to protect.” (In re Marilyn H.

(1993) 5 Cal.4th 295, 307.) Thus, the focus is on the child, not the parent. “That is, once 
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dependency jurisdiction is acquired because of the custodial parent’s conduct, the court’s 

inquiry shifts to a focus on the child’s best interests, albeit with a preference towards 

parental reunification.” (Luke M., supra, 107 Cal.App.4th at p. 1425.) 

Once a child has been removed from his or her parents’ custody under section 361, 

the juvenile court is required to review the child’s status every six months. (In re 

Joseph B. (1996) 42 Cal.App.4th 890, 897.) At the 12-month review hearing, the court 

must return the child to the parent’s physical custody unless it finds, by a preponderance 

of the evidence that return “would create a substantial risk of detriment to the safety, 

protection, or physical or emotional well-being of the child.” (§ 366.21, subd. (f)(1).) 

The burden of establishing detriment belongs to the department. (Ibid.) “The failure of 

the parent ... to participate regularly and make substantive progress in court-ordered 

treatment programs shall be prima facie evidence that return would be detrimental.” 

(§ 366.22, subd. (a)(1).)

We review the juvenile court’s finding to see if substantial evidence supports it. 

(Angela S. v. Superior Court (1995) 36 Cal.App.4th 758, 763.) In reviewing a challenge 

to the sufficiency of the evidence, we must draw all reasonable inferences in favor of the 

juvenile court’s findings. (In re Yvonne W. (2008) 165 Cal.App.4th 1394, 1400–1401.) 

We do not decide the credibility of the witnesses or resolve conflicts in the evidence. 

Those are matters exclusively within the province of the trier of fact. “If there is 

substantial evidence supporting the judgment, our duty ends and the judgment must not 

be disturbed.” (In re Misako R. (1991) 2 Cal.App.4th 538, 545; see Constance K. v. 

Superior Court (1998) 61 Cal.App.4th 689, 705 ([“In the presence of substantial 

evidence, appellate justices are without the power to reweigh conflicting evidence and 

alter a dependency court determination”].) On appeal, the parent has the burden of 

showing that there is no evidence of a sufficiently substantial nature to support the court’s 

finding. (In re L.Y.L. (2002) 101 Cal.App.4th 942, 947.)
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B. Analysis

In challenging the sufficiency of the evidence supporting the juvenile court’s 

detriment finding, mother emphasizes the fact the children were removed after specific 

incidents of domestic violence and alcohol abuse occurring in September and October of 

2013. Because the department presented no evidence of her involvement in any new

incidents of domestic violence or alcohol abuse occurring between that time and the time 

of the 12-month review hearing in late January and early February of 2015, and the 

juvenile court essentially acknowledged that mother had participated regularly in all the 

services required under her case plan, mother suggests the record not only lacks 

substantial evidence that she currently posed a risk of detriment to the children, but also 

affirmatively demonstrates she made substantive progress in her court-ordered services. 

According to mother, the juvenile court improperly based its detriment finding “on the 

old domestic violence that occurred” and “on speculative, arbitrary and capricious 

formulations” rather than on “solid and credible evidence.” In addition, she construes 

certain comments of the juvenile court as showing it improperly shifted to her the burden 

of establishing the absence of detriment, and suggests the court could not properly rely on 

the statutory presumption of detriment contained in section 366.21, subdivision (f), 

because it found she had regularly participated in services. Mother also complains that 

the juvenile court failed to consider each child individually in its analysis of the detriment 

issue. 

Based on our careful review of the record and applicable law, we find none of 

these arguments to be persuasive and conclude there was ample evidence supporting the 

juvenile court’s finding that returning the children to mother’s custody at the time of the 

12-month review hearing would create a substantial risk of detriment to them within the 

meaning of section 366.21, subdivision (f). 

The juvenile court’s comments, viewed in context and in their entirety, do not 

indicate the court relieved the department of its burden of proof on the detriment issue 
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but show it duly considered the department’s evidence and implicitly found that that 

evidence—particularly the expert opinions of Dr. Carmichael and Dr. Schmidt—

established that, notwithstanding mother’s regular participation in services and the 

absence of evidence of any new incidents of domestic violence or alcohol abuse, mother 

had failed to make substantive progress in her treatment programs and return of the 

children to her custody currently would create a substantial risk of detriment to them. 

The psychologists provided detailed explanations, rooted in fact, as to how 

mother’s persistent failure to acquire meaningful insight into how her behavior had 

directly led to the children’s removal, despite her participation in over a years’ worth of 

services ordinarily expected to lead to such insight, indicated she had not made (and was 

incapable of making by the time of the 18-month review hearing) sufficient progress in 

her treatment programs to make the lasting behavioral changes required to be able to 

parent the children safely and avoid relapsing into the same types of behavior which 

resulted in their removal from her custody. The experts’ opinions in this regard 

constituted substantial evidence supporting the court’s detriment finding, and mother’s 

contrary arguments effectively invite this court to reweigh the evidence which, of course, 

we cannot do. (See In re Zachary G. (1999) 77 Cal.App.4th 799, 812.) 

In any event, we find no merit in mother’s claim that the expert opinions of 

Dr. Carmichael and Dr. Schmidt were speculative or conclusive compared to those of 

mother’s witnesses because, in mother’s words, “the psychological reports were based on 

tests which were predictive of behavior, rather than observation of actual behavior.” 

(Italics added.) It is clear from the record that Dr. Carmichael and Dr. Schmidt based 

their opinions not only on the findings of the psychological testing they administered to 

mother, but also on their clinical interviews with her and their review of multiple sources 

of information, which included firsthand accounts of mother’s actual behavior. The 

psychologists also explained how mother’s reported behavior and her responses to 
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questions during the clinical interviews were consistent with the findings of the 

psychological testing. 

Mother has provided no persuasive argument for doubting that the experts’ 

opinions constituted solid and credible evidence supporting the juvenile court’s detriment 

finding. The fact the psychologists’ opinions included predictions about mother’s future 

behavior did not render them speculative or conclusory as their opinions were based on 

solid evidence and their qualifications to render such opinions was not only unchallenged 

but stipulated to by the parties below. Further, as the court rightly noted, it had a 

statutory duty to make predictions regarding mother’s behavior and could, therefore, 

properly rely on the experts’ opinions for guidance. The juvenile court here found the 

opinions of the independent experts to be more credible than those of mother’s witnesses, 

which the court reasonably viewed as tending to reflect a bias in favor of mother. 

To the extent mother holds up the favorable opinions of her former therapist, 

Dr. Campbell, to be superior to the departments’ experts on the ground they were based 

on Dr. Campbell’s observations of mother’s actual behavior over a period of time, this 

characterization of Dr. Campbell’s opinions is not supported by the record. Dr. Campbell 

qualified her own opinions regarding mother’s progress and ability to benefit from further 

services by voluntarily admitting that her opinions in this regard were largely limited to 

what mother told her in therapy (i.e., “the client’s self-report”) and by pointing out she 

had never been formally asked to make an assessment and she was not “an expert in the 

area.” Dr. Campbell similarly qualified her testimony that she would probably rely on 

her own opinion that mother would be able to benefit from continuing services over the 

contrary opinion of a psychologist, which was based on standardized psychological 

testing, by adding she did not know if she was “expert enough” to “completely disagree” 

with such an opinion because she was “not an expert in sort of the whole area of child 

custody evaluations ....” 
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Moreover, like the testimony of Dr. Campbell, the testimony of a number of 

mother’s other witnesses reflected their opinions of mother were heavily influenced by 

what mother told them rather than on what they personally knew or had observed of her 

behavior, particularly her behavior vis-à-vis the children and the reasons for their 

removal from her custody. For example, mother’s adult son was apparently unaware 

mother’s alcohol use had been a factor in the children’s removal, while her parenting 

class instructor was unaware that domestic violence had been involved. Mother’s own 

AA sponsor of nearly a year admittedly knew little about mother’s history with the 

children, and her testimony suggests that whatever information mother did provide was 

likely incomplete or inaccurate, and not unlike the unfounded account of the dependency 

proceedings asserted by mother in her December 2014 Facebook post, just a little over a 

month before the 12-month review hearing commenced.

Notwithstanding mother’s evasive testimony regarding the genesis of the 

Facebook post, which contained derogatory statements about the department and a 

picture of the children staged during a supervised visit, it is clear from all the 

circumstances surrounding the incident, that mother deliberately used Facebook as a 

platform to complain about the department and promote one of her consistently 

inaccurate positions regarding the reasons for children’s removal. In this regard, she 

falsely portrayed herself as the innocent mother doing everything she could to get her 

children back from an overzealous department that had unjustly removed them from her 

custody based on false allegations of abuse made against her by a vindictive and violent 

ex-husband.

As Dr. Schmidt opined, mother’s behavior during the Facebook incident, which 

occurred close in time to the 12-month review hearing, constituted additional proof she 

continued to demonstrate a profound lack of insight into the reasons for her children’s 

removal and provided further support for the experts’ opinions that mother had failed to 

make substantive progress in her court-ordered services. Dr. Schmidt’s opinion in this 
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regard also contradicts mother’s suggestion that the psychologists’ opinions in this case 

did not adequately assess current circumstances but were exclusively based on old 

incidents. In any event, the experts’ evaluations were not necessarily outdated simply 

because they were conducted in April and October of 2014, as the experts were 

specifically asked to evaluate mother’s ability to benefit from services for a timeframe 

encompassing the 18-month review period, the findings of their evaluations remained 

consistent despite being conducted six months apart from each other, and were consistent 

with and supported by evidence of mother’s more recent behavior, not to mention her 

own testimony at the 12-month review hearing. 

Mother’s own testimony supported the experts’ opinions regarding her failure to 

gain any real insight into her problems with alcohol and domestic violence and how the 

dysfunctional behaviors those problems caused had directly contributed to the events 

leading to the children’s removal. As noted by the juvenile court, despite complying with 

all her case plan requirements, and as seen in the Facebook incident just discussed, 

mother continued to assert factually inaccurate versions of those events. Thus, the court 

noted mother’s testimony continued to minimize the significance of her own extremely 

violent behavior during the September 2013 incident, by misrepresenting it as an act of 

defending the children, despite all the evidence to the contrary considered by the court at 

previous hearings.

Mother’s testimony similarly demonstrated her lack of insight into how her 

alcohol use had led to the children’s removal. Despite her testimony claiming to be fully 

aware her choices had contributed to the incident, that claim was belied by her more 

detailed testimony regarding what she believed were the reasons for the October 2013 

incident. Her testimony clearly showed she continued to hold to the position that S2 was 

the instigator of that incident, that S2 had essentially caused her own injuries and later 

exaggerated and/or lied about mother’s conduct during the incident, and it was S2’s 

reported account of the incident, not mother’s own alcohol-fueled abuse, that caused the 
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department to intervene and remove the children from her custody. We see no 

recognition in mother’s testimony of the harmful effects of her alcohol use on the 

children or the causal connection with their removal from her custody. Moreover, the 

substantial risk of detriment demonstrated by the evidence clearly applied to all six of her 

children and we find no basis to conclude the court failed to properly consider the risk of 

detriment as to each individual child.

We also disagree with mother that the juvenile court demonstrated an erroneous 

reliance on the statutory presumption of detriment in its comments regarding mother’s 

failure to meet her burden of showing she had made substantial progress in working her 

case plan to resolve the problems that led to the children’s removal. According to 

mother, once the court found she had participated regularly in the services offered to her, 

the court could not rely on the department’s evidence that she had failed to make 

substantive progress to support its finding of detriment and shift the burden to her to 

prove otherwise. This argument fails.

When added to the Welfare and Institutions Code, and as amended through 1998, 

section 366.21, subdivision (f), read, in pertinent part: “The failure of the parent or legal 

guardian to participate regularly in court-ordered treatment programs shall be prima facie 

evidence that return would be detrimental.” (Stats. 1987, ch. 1485, § 43, p. 5632; Stats.

1998, ch. 1056, §§ 15.1, 34, pp. 6483–6484, 6518.) In 1999, the Legislature amended 

section 366.21, subdivision (f), to provide (as it currently does), in pertinent part: “The 

failure of the parent or guardian to participate regularly and make substantive progress in 

court-ordered treatment programs shall be prima facie evidence that return would be 

detrimental.” (Stats. 1999, ch. 805, § 4, subd. (b), p. 4677 [Assem. Bill No. 740], giving 

effect and incorporating the amendments of section 366.21, subd. (f), by ch. 399 [Sen.

Bill No. 1226], in the form set forth in ch. 805, § 2.2, p. 4670.) 

The purpose of the 1999 amendment was to clarify “that the failure to make 

substantive progress in court-ordered treatment programs, regardless of regular 
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participation in such programs, shall be prima facie evidence that return of the child to 

the parent shall be detrimental to the child.” (Assem. Com. on Judiciary, Analysis of 

Sen. Bill No. 1226 (1999 Reg. Sess.) as proposed to be amended and as amended June 

21, 1999, p. 1.) The author of Senate Bill No. 1226 explained:

“This bill sends a message to parents that attendance in court[-]ordered 

programs is not enough—they need to learn how to correct their problems 

and learn proper parenting skills.... [M]ere ‘participation’ in court-ordered 

treatment programs does not necessarily mean that the parent is adequately 

addressing the problems that led to the abuse or neglect of the child and the 

court’s order to remove the child from that parent’s home for fear for the 

child’s safety.... [T]his bill will give the juvenile dependency court greater 

authority to terminate parental rights and order a safe, permanent placement 

for a child, when the child’s parent or guardian fails to comply with both 

the spirit and the letter of the court’s order to seek needed treatment.” (Id.

at pp. 2–3.) 

In effect, the amendment codified existing case law that a parent’s compliance with “the 

reunification plan by attending the required therapy sessions and visiting the children is 

to be considered by the court; but it is not determinative. The court must also consider 

the parents’ progress and their capacity to meet the objectives of the plan; otherwise the 

reasons for removing the children out-of-home will not have been ameliorated.” (In re 

Dustin R. (1997) 54 Cal.App.4th 1131, 1143.)

Consequently, the application of the presumption of detriment was not dependent 

upon evidence of mother’s nonparticipation in services. Instead, the juvenile court could 

properly find that the presumption of detriment applied in the absence of any convincing 

evidence that mother had made substantive progress in meeting the objectives of her case 

plan requirements. In any event, even without the presumption, a finding of detriment is 

supported based upon the previously noted substantial evidence of mother’s failure to 

make substantive progress in her court-ordered treatment programs despite her regular 

participation in such programs for well over a year.
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II. Substantial Evidence Supports the Finding there was No Substantial 

Probability the Children Could Be Safely Returned to Mother by the Time of 

the 18-month Review Hearing.

Mother next contends the trial court erred in terminating her reunification services 

because its finding that there was no substantial probability the children could safely be 

returned to her custody by the time of the 18-month review hearing was unsupported by 

substantial evidence. She also contends the court abused its discretion by terminating her 

services while continuing them to T.H. We reject both contentions.

The period for reunification services for a child over the age of three when 

removed from parental custody is limited to 12 months from the date the child entered 

foster care. (§ 361.5, subd. (a)(1).) However, services can be extended up to 18 months 

from the date of initial removal if the court finds there is a substantial probability the 

child will be returned and safely maintained in the parent’s home during that time or if 

reasonable services were not provided. (§§ 361.5, subd. (a)(3), 366.21, subd. (g)(1).) In 

order to make the finding that the child can be safely returned to the parent, the court 

must find the parent regularly visited the child, has made significant progress in resolving 

the problems that led to removal, and has demonstrated the capacity and ability to 

complete the plan and provide for the child’s safety and well-being. (§ 366.21, 

subd. (g)(1)(A)–(C).)

For all the reasons discussed above, although the record contained substantial 

evidence establishing that mother regularly visited the children, the record also disclosed 

substantial evidence establishing that she both failed to make significant progress in 

addressing her problems and lacked the ability to meet the objectives of her case plan. 

The juvenile court properly terminated mother’s reunification services. 

We also see no abuse of discretion in the court’s termination of reunification 

services. While acknowledging that case law held it permissible for a juvenile court to 

terminate services to one parent while continuing to offer them to the other, she argues 

those cases involved situations that were “vastly different” than those here. Mother 
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argues that, in light of evidence she was bonded with and would remain an active part of 

the children’s lives, “continuing reunification services would have been in the children’s 

best interests.” The problem with mother’s argument is that it assumes further services 

would have been fruitful and there is ample evidence to the contrary. No abuse of 

discretion appears on the record.

III. Mother Forfeited her Claim that the Failure to Proceed as if the Children 

Were Indian Children under California Rules of Court, rule 5.482(c), 

Requires Reversal of the Judgment.

Lastly, mother contends the judgment must be reversed based on the juvenile 

court’s failure to proceed as if the children were Indian Children pursuant to California 

Rules of Court, rule 5.482(c) (hereafter rule 5.482(c)). We conclude mother forfeited this 

issue by failing to raise it below.

Rule 5.482(c) provides: “If after notice has been provided as required by federal 

and state law a tribe responds indicating that the child is eligible for membership if 

certain steps are followed, the court must proceed as if the child is an Indian child and 

direct the appropriate individual or agency to provide to provide active efforts under rule 

5.484(c) to secure membership for the child.” (Italics added.)

It is undisputed that letters from the Chickasaw Nation responding to the 

department’s Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA), 25 U.S.C. §§ 1901–1963, notices 

indicated that, although not currently recognized as members, the children were eligible 

for membership in the Chickasaw Nation, through their maternal great grandfather, upon 

completion of an application for a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood (CDIB) and 

submission of birth and death certificates establishing lineal descent. Thus, the social 

worker gave mother a CDIB application and, after mother indicated she lacked all the 

required documentation, directed mother to complete the application if she was able to 

obtain that documentation. It is unclear from the record why mother thereafter failed to 

complete the application or was unable to procure the necessary documentation. At the 
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12-month review hearing, the juvenile court found that ICWA did not apply as to any of 

the children and mother raised no objections challenging that finding.

Mother now asserts “[i]t is clear that merely giving the mother the form and 

leaving it to her to complete and order the birth certificates is not active efforts” and that 

rule 5.482(c) requires reversal and remand for the juvenile court to make the required 

ICWA findings and require the department to make active efforts to secure the children’s 

membership in the Chickasaw Nation. 

The children were not Indian children within the meaning of ICWA because it was 

insufficient for them simply to be eligible for membership. They must be either members 

or the children of a member of the tribe to be Indian children. Neither the children nor 

their parents are enrolled, and thus are not members of the Chickasaw Nation. (In re 

Jose C. (2007) 155 Cal.App.4th 844, 849; 25 U.S.C. § 1903(4); § 224.1, subd. (a) 

[applies the federal definition of Indian child]; § 224, subd. (c) [tribe must determine 

minor eligible for membership and the biological child of a member for ICWA to 

apply].) The juvenile court was thus correct that ICWA did not apply. Rule 5.482(c), 

however, goes beyond ICWA to include potential Indian children within its provisions 

pending the tribe’s adjudication of membership. (Compare In re Jose C., supra, 155 

Cal.App.4th at p. 849 & fn. 2 [predating rule 5.482(c), finding that nothing in ICWA or 

California statutes gives juvenile court authority to require minor’s enrollment in tribe].)4 

While a tribe’s right under ICWA to notice of dependency proceedings is not 

subject to forfeiture as a result of a parent’s inaction (In re Jennifer A. (2002) 103 

Cal.App.4th 692, 707; In re Kahlen W. (1991) 233 Cal.App.3d 1414, 1425), the same is 

not true of other procedural ICWA provisions. (Jennifer A., supra, 103 Cal.App.4th at 

pp. 707–708; In re Riva M. (1991) 235 Cal.App.3d 403, 412 [burden of proof and need 

 

4 As noted by the parties, the validity of rule 5.482(c), along with the validity of California 

Rules of Court, rule 5.484(c), is currently pending review by the California Supreme Court in In 

re Abbigail A. (2014) 226 Cal.App.4th 1450, review granted September 10, 2014, S220187.
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for expert testimony].) These other procedural ICWA provisions relating to the burden of 

proof and need for expert testimony are nevertheless subject to a rule requiring a showing 

that a waiver of them is knowing and voluntary. (Jennifer A., supra, 103 Cal.App.4th at 

p. 708 [declining to find such requirement under case law]; Cal. Rules of Court, 

rule 5.484(a)(2).) That rule, however, does not include the failure to object to a court’s 

failure to direct an agency to take steps to secure a child’s membership in a tribe under 

rule 5.482(c). We decline to add a requirement of obtaining a knowing and voluntary 

waiver to that rule as a matter of judicial fiat where the drafters did not include any such 

provision. We thus find that mother has forfeited this issue on appeal.

DISPOSITION

The orders of the juvenile court are affirmed.

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HILL, P.J.

WE CONCUR:

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LEVY, J.

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PEÑA, J.