UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS 

FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT 

 

ULYSSES BARNES, 

 Plaintiff - Appellant, 

v. 

CAROLYN W. COLVIN, Acting 

Commissioner of Social Security, 

 Defendant - Appellee. 

No. 14-1341 

(D.C. No. 1:13-CV-01427-WJM) 

(D. Colo.)

 

ORDER AND JUDGMENT*

 

Before BRISCOE, Chief Judge, McKAY and PHILLIPS, Circuit Judges. 

 

 Ulysses Barnes appeals from a district court order that affirmed the 

Commissioner’s denial of his applications for disability insurance benefits (DIB) and 

supplemental security income (SSI). We have jurisdiction under 42 U.S.C. § 405(g) 

and 28 U.S.C. § 1291, and we reverse and remand. 

 

*

 After examining the briefs and appellate record, this panel has determined 

unanimously to grant the parties’ request for a decision on the briefs without oral 

argument. See Fed. R. App. P. 34(f); 10th Cir. R. 34.1(G). The case is therefore 

ordered submitted without oral argument. This order and judgment is not binding 

precedent, except under the doctrines of law of the case, res judicata, and collateral 

estoppel. It may be cited, however, for its persuasive value consistent with 

Fed. R. App. P. 32.1 and 10th Cir. R. 32.1. 

FILED 

United States Court of Appeals 

Tenth Circuit 

June 18, 2015

Elisabeth A. Shumaker 

Clerk of Court

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BACKGROUND

Mr. Barnes is an Air Force veteran. He has a master’s degree in human 

resources and has worked as a user support analyst. The Dictionary of Occupational 

Titles (DOT) states that a user support analyst “[r]eceives telephone calls from users 

having problems [with] computer software and hardware or inquiring how to use 

specific software.” U.S. Dep’t of Labor, Dictionary of Occupational Titles, 

032.262-010 (4th ed., rev. 1991). 

 In 2009, Mr. Barnes pleaded guilty to a fourth-degree felony. He lost his job 

and applied for DIB and SSI, alleging he was disabled due to back, knee, and hip 

problems as of July 2009, when he was fifty-six years old. 

 Mr. Barnes appeared before an administrative law judge (ALJ) and testified he 

also suffers from depression caused by being homeless and unemployed. He 

described his former job as “technical customer service” involving “trouble shooting” 

customers’ telephone complaints. Aplt. App. 1, Vol. 1 at 69-70. 

Mr. Barnes further testified he had difficulties “interacting with people” and 

“trying to deal with the attitudes and personalities.” Id. at 75. “[I]f [someone] came 

at [him] with a negative attitude, [he] didn’t have a positive reaction,” id., and “[he] 

felt like they were trying to attack [him],” id. at 76. 

A psychologist also testified at the hearing, characterizing Mr. Barnes’s 

depression as either “an adjustment disorder with depressed moods” or “a major 

depressive disorder.” Id. at 57. He further testified that Mr. Barnes has “an anxiety 

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related disorder.” Id. Based on those conditions, the psychologist opined that 

Mr. Barnes was moderately limited in social functioning and in interacting with 

supervisors, coworkers, and the public. 

 A vocational expert (VE) testified at the hearing that Mr. Barnes’s former 

employment was a sedentary and skilled job with a specific vocational preparation 

(SVP) rating of seven. The ALJ questioned the VE whether Mr. Barnes’s job could 

be performed by a hypothetical claimant whose residual functional capacity (RFC) 

limited contact with others. Specifically, the ALJ described the hypothetical 

claimant as being able to “interact with supervisors and relate to coworkers if not 

frequent or prolonged and with less public contact, and that would be in person.” Id.

at 84. The ALJ clarified that “less public contact in person” meant “[b]etween . . . 

occasional up to frequent but not frequent.” Id. at 85. The VE responded that such a 

claimant could work as a user support analyst. When questioned by Mr. Barnes’s 

attorney, the VE testified that if the hypothetical limitation on public contact 

included telephonic contact, the claimant could not perform the job. 

 Following the hearing, the ALJ concluded, based on the VE’s testimony, that 

Mr. Barnes could perform his past relevant work, and therefore, was not disabled: 

[Mr. Barnes] has past relevant work as a user support analyst (DOT 

#032.262-010, SVP 7, sedentary exertion). The [VE] testified that with 

the [RFC] set forth an individual could perform the requirements of 

[Mr. Barnes’s] past relevant work. The undersigned accepts that 

testimony and concludes [Mr. Barnes] can perform past relevant work. 

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Aplt. App. 1, Vol. 1 at 39. The Appeals Council upheld the ALJ’s decision1

 and the 

district court affirmed. 

DISCUSSION

I. Standards of Review 

 “We review the Commissioner’s decision to determine whether the factual 

findings are supported by substantial evidence and whether the correct legal 

standards were applied.” Mays v. Colvin, 739 F.3d 569, 571 (10th Cir. 2014) 

(internal quotation marks omitted). Substantial evidence is “more than a scintilla, but 

less than a preponderance.” Lax v. Astrue, 489 F.3d 1080, 1084 (10th Cir. 2007). 

II. Step Four

At step four of the familiar five-step sequential disability analysis, a claimant’s 

RFC is measured against “the physical and mental demands of the claimant’s past 

relevant work” to determine whether the claimant can resume such work. See 

Winfrey v. Chater, 92 F.3d 1017, 1023 (10th Cir. 1996) (noting that the step-four 

analysis includes three phases: (1) “evaluat[ing] a claimant’s physical and mental 

[RFC]”; (2) “determin[ing] the physical and mental demands of the claimant’s past 

relevant work”; and (3) ascertaining “whether the claimant has the ability to meet the 

 

1

 Mr. Barnes has apparently succeeded on a different application for benefits, 

and was found by the Acting Commissioner to be disabled as of September 2011. 

See Aplt. Br. at 3 n.2. The instant case involves an alleged disability onset date of 

July 2009. 

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job demands found in phase two despite the [RFC] found in phase one.” (citations 

omitted)). 

 Mr. Barnes argues that the ALJ failed to make necessary findings regarding 

the demands of his job as a user support analyst. We agree.2

 At each phase of the step-four analysis, “the ALJ must make specific 

findings.” Id. “To make the necessary findings, the ALJ must obtain adequate 

factual information about those work demands which have a bearing on the medically 

established limitations.” Id. at 1024 (internal quotation marks omitted). 

 Nowhere in the ALJ’s decision is there mention of any demands of 

Mr. Barnes’s past job, either as he performed it or as it is customarily performed in 

the national economy. Particularly troubling is the omission of the job’s 

telephonic-contact component. Mr. Barnes described his former job as being 

telephonic customer service, and the DOT confirms that description. 

This job requirement implicates Mr. Barnes’s ability to interact with the 

public, which the ALJ factored into Mr. Barnes’s RFC as a limitation. Yet, without 

explanation, the ALJ circumscribed the public-contact limitation to in-person 

 

2

 The Acting Commissioner contends that Mr. Barnes is arguing for the first 

time on appeal “that the hypothetical to the [VE] was somehow flawed because it 

specified less public contact in person versus by public telephone.” Aplee. Br. at 46 

n.12. We do not read Mr. Barnes’s argument in the same light. Mr. Barnes contends 

in his opening appellate brief that “the ALJ did not make specific findings at the 

second phase [of step four] regarding the physical and mental demands of [his] past 

relevant work.” Aplt. Br. at 35. Mr. Barnes advanced the very same contention 

below. See Aplt. App. 2 at 509. It is therefore properly before us on appeal. 

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contacts. We are left to speculate whether the ALJ intended no limitation on the

ability to interact with the public by telephone or whether the ALJ simply overlooked 

a key demand of Mr. Barnes’s job. The former possibility—intending no limitation 

on telephonic contact—strikes us as inconsistent with the ostensibly moderate (and 

rather amorphous) limitation the ALJ imposed on Mr. Barnes’s in-person public 

contacts: something “[b]etween . . . occasional up to frequent but not frequent,” 

Aplt. App. 1, Vol. 1 at 85. The latter possibility—overlooking a key job demand—is 

suggested by the ALJ’s confusion during the hearing when he asked Mr. Barnes 

whether his work was a “day labor job” and whether his employer gave him his “own 

truck.” Id. at 69, 71. 

This case presents a prototypical example of the practice we discouraged in 

Winfrey, where “the ALJ makes findings only about the claimant’s limitations, and 

the remainder of the step four assessment takes place in the VE’s head,” leaving us 

“nothing to review.” 92 F.3d at 1025. The Acting Commissioner suggests that the 

ALJ’s decision comports with Winfrey because, in addition to “incorporat[ing] the 

[VE’s] testimony,” the ALJ mentioned the DOT code number for a user support 

analyst. Aplee. Br. at 48. Granted, an ALJ may satisfy his step-four responsibilities 

by “quot[ing] the VE’s testimony approvingly[ ] in support of his own findings at 

phases two and three of the analysis,” Doyal v. Barnhart, 331 F.3d 758, 761 

(10th Cir. 2003), and by consulting the DOT, see 20 C.F.R. § 404.1560(b) (approving 

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consultation of the DOT “to help . . . determine whether [the claimant] can do . . . 

past relevant work, given [his] [RFC]”); id. § 416.960(b) (same). 

But “[t]he ALJ’s phase-two task is case-dependent.” Wells v. Colvin, 727 F.3d 

1061, 1075 (10th Cir. 2013). Here, the ALJ did not quote the VE’s testimony about 

the job demands of a user support analyst. Rather, the ALJ simply stated that the VE 

had testified Mr. Barnes “could perform the requirements of [his] past relevant 

work.” Aplt. App. 1, Vol. 1 at 39. Moreover, the DOT clearly identifies telephonic 

contact with the public as an integral job demand, and the VE never testified that 

Mr. Barnes could meet that job demand with the RFC set by the ALJ. Indeed, the VE 

testified that Mr. Barnes could not perform his past work if the hypothetical RFC 

“include[d] telephone contact.” Id. at 85. 

We conclude the ALJ committed Winfrey error by failing to make findings 

regarding the demands of Mr. Barnes’s former job. Further, “[h]aving failed to 

complete phase two appropriately, the ALJ was unable to make the necessary 

findings at phase three about [Mr. Barnes’s] ability to meet the mental demands of 

his past relevant work despite his mental impairments.” Winfrey, 92 F.3d at 1024-25. 

Consequently, the case must be remanded for further proceedings. 

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CONCLUSION

We reverse the judgment of the district court and remand this case with 

instructions that it be sent back to the agency for further proceedings consistent with 

this order and judgment. 

 Entered for the Court 

 Monroe G. McKay 

 Circuit Judge 

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