An Oral History

with

David Del Santo

SSC History Project

Interviewer: Martin Oramous

2005
Biography

David Del Santo is the Lead Security Officer at Stennis Space Center. He has a 

Bachelor’s Degree in Criminal Justice. He served in the U.S. Army Military Police Corps 

for 22 years. He has worked with NASA Security for 6 years at the John C. Stennis Space 

Center. David is the recipient of numerous military and civil service awards.
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An Oral History

with

David Del Santo

This is an interview by the Stennis Space Center History Office. The purpose of this 

interview is to document the story of key personnel during/after Hurricane Katrina at 

SSC. The interview is with David Del Santo and is taking place on November 30, 2005. 

The interviewer is Martin Oramous. Also present is Shelia Reed.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: Tell us your story about Hurricane Katrina.

DAVID DEL SANTO: My name is David Del Santo. I’m the Lead Security Officer here 

for Stennis Space Center. It was a lot of responsibilities and I look at Katrina differently 

than a lot of other folks because I knew I had to be on the ride-out team and be out here 

before, during and after but I also had to worry about my wife and one of my children 

and what they were going to do. We came out here Sunday afternoon before the storm. 

Right away, I had to start to work. I got them up in the Security Staff’s little office that 

we had and took care of them and then I could really concentrate on what I needed to do. 

One of my biggest jobs is running the Security Department but also answering to the 

needs of the Emergency Operations Center, in specifically with Ron Magee and Don 

Griffith with things they couldn’t do. In their positions, they are locked into the EOC. 

They really don’t have time to go out and see what’s going on in the Center. That’s where 

I come in. I am one of the guys who get out and get to see how many people were coming 

through the gate, how many boats we have down at the lock system and working with 

other resident agencies on the installation. 

Friday when I left installation and went home, I thought it was going to be like a lot of 

people, Category 2. I thought I would come out here work for a couple of hours and then 

go home. Needless to say, when it turned into a Category 4 or 5, things really changed 

real quick. The morning of the storm we woke up and right away it was pretty intense. 

You hear that the storm is here and see all the people that took shelter on our Center, 

they’re all on the 1st floor of B1100 and other buildings throughout the center, it really 

became quite evident that we had a lot more than we thought would show up, especially 

with the special needs people. These are people that maybe have heart problems or some 

type of medical problem that became a real quick, overwhelming event for us. I wanted 

to see what was going on, on the Center as far as gate traffic. People coming on to the 

Center. The boats and stuff down at the lock system and check on the Security Officers 

that were located throughout the Center. I was able to do that before the storm. It got so

intense for my safety purposes I couldn’t go out anymore. Nobody else went out either 

because the winds were just ferocious. We stayed in 1100 and hunkered down until early 

in the afternoon. We had our regular meetings with the Center leadership that was here. 

The Deputy Director, Mr. Throckmorton, he was here the whole time and basically took 
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charge in giving out a lot of direction and guidance and that helped out quite a bit. Early 

in the afternoon the eye of the hurricane came over the Center and myself and Mr. 

Throckmorton and a representative from MEMA wanted a quick assessment of the 

Center. We went out and were really concerned about people and property. We were 

checking our people and property. One of the key things we needed to check on was the 

intersection of Interstate 10 and 607. If that had major structural damage to it, it could put 

Stennis Space Center out of operations for several months. We took off and immediately 

we could tell the amount of trees that were down on Trent Lott Boulevard were 

excessive. We didn’t know if we would be able to get down to I-10 or not but we finally 

did manage. One interesting thing that happened to me on the way down there, I never 

had this happen before, was a herd of seagulls, about 100 seagulls on the side of the road, 

usually when you are driving down the road, the birds are going to move for you, well, 

I’m driving about 60 mph and all of a sudden I hit five seagulls just plastered the vehicle 

that we were in and I never had that happen before. I told Mr. Throckmorton this is 

unusual, usually birds move off. We continued on our mission and went down and did an 

assessment and luckily the I-10 Interchange down there was O.K. We came back and as I 

said earlier there were so many trees on the road that we couldn’t go on the north bound 

lane. We had to go on the south bound lane to get back in to the Center. We got back in 

the Center and I was talking to several people about my experience with the seagulls. 

They said that happens a lot. In hurricanes, they are so exhausted by the hurricane that 

they didn’t have time to react. They were too slow so you hit them. I started to pay 

attention and the rest of the day I saw several seagulls throughout the installation that had 

been hit by vehicles. 

So we stayed here that night. It finally calmed down a lot. We did assessments. We had 

lost communications. That really made it a headache but we were able to talk internally 

with the Navy command and other resident agencies on installation. One of the biggest 

things that happened, a tornado or high wind, hit the Center Operations Wing, the North 

Wing of B1100. That’s where my wife and daughter were in the security suite. There 

were a lot of other family members up there. We had to evacuate them. It didn’t take the 

entire infrastructure of the roof away but it took all of the tile and a lot of the insulation. 

The insulation is about five inches think and it ended up in the parking lot and destroyed 

a lot of vehicles’ windows. It was quite an event. We had to relocate several times 

because the water came in and it started on the 3rd floor and ended up on the 2nd floor and 

eventually wound up on the 1st floor. So, a lot of destruction right from the get go. That 

wing was evacuated and basically closed up and in the next couple of days and weeks 

was totally taken apart so they could rebuild it. We had dinner that night and everybody 

was doing a lot of talking and wondering when we were going to get to go home. Some 

people were actually worried if they were going to have homes. I listened to one lady 

who lived down in Pearlington and she just told me from the get go that she didn’t really 

want to leave because she knew that with the intensity of the storm, she was here during 

Camille, that she would not have a home. She knew that right from the get go that she 

really didn’t need to go back down to Pearlington. It was really hard talking to these folks 

because I’m a transplant here. I moved down here 11 years ago. My family went through 

George and we went through Ivan out here. I’ve been through all the storms since Ivan 

out here but none of them were close to what Katrina did. You heard a lot of stories that 
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night. Here, we were out of power except for the EOC. The air-conditioning was out. A 

lot of people took refuge in B1100 and B1110 and throughout the Navy and resident 

agencies out here. So, we were worried about them and making checks. Being the Lead 

Security Officer, I was worried, making sure we took care of our Security Officers out 

here. At that time, we had already started working on our 18 so everybody was pretty 

physically and in some cases emotionally drained by the time they went to bed. 

The next morning I needed to get out of here because I needed to find out if I had a home 

left. We left like a lot of other families real early that morning. I live in Long Beach. We 

took off and went down there. I was prepared for a lot of destruction but when we went 

over the Interchange of I-10 and Highway 603, that was a lake. The water was up almost 

to the top of the road. All the facilities down there and I know one building in particular 

that was recently built, was totally gone. Everybody was stopped on the side of the road. 

This was when traffic was minimal because there wasn’t really many people out. We 

were able to get to Exit-28 and turn in to Long Beach and again it was one way down the 

street Beatline strictly because of the trees all over the place. You had to be careful for 

the electrical wires. When we pulled in our subdivision, we saw a lot of destruction and a 

lot of the pine trees. I’m not talking about diseased pine trees. I’m talking about old real 

pine trees that were a foot, a foot and a half, two feet in diameter that were split just like 

toothpicks. In our subdivision, that is where most the damage occurred. The pine trees 

fell on roofs of houses and caved them in. We turned the corner and got down in front of 

our house and we had an idea that the fences would all be down. They are kind of made 

that way. We had some damage to our Magnolia tree. None of the windows were broken. 

We were looking at the north side of the house. We really didn’t see any major damage to 

the roof. We ran around to the back and we could see the south side of the roof and that 

was particularly where all the damage was. All the fences were down and a lot of the 

roof tiles were gone and that’s where most of the damage to our house occurred. I wanted 

to do a quick cleanup as much as possible because I was going to leave my wife and child 

there and I needed to get back to work because I had responsibilities out at the Center. 

We did some initial cleanup. We prepared in a way at the house. In our freezer we had 

probably 15 half-gallon frozen bottles of ice. We knew if we didn’t open the freezer that

that could stay for probably two days until the power came back. The refrigerator is a 

different thing. If you open it up, you got a little there. The refrigerator on top you got 

maybe a day and a half or two but after two days you really need to get out all the steaks 

and all the chickens and have the barbecue. Invite the neighbors over and then it starts 

over. It becomes a day to day thing. I was fortunate that I was able to stock up on a little 

of gas a couple of days before the storm. So, initially I had enough gas to get back to and 

from the Center. At that time, once I knew the house was O.K. and my wife and child that 

were there, they were O.K. that I needed to get back there and focus on my 

responsibilities at the Center. I went back to work and they stayed home and continued

the cleaning. There was no power and no air-conditioning. That was one of things that 

they were not really used to. They stayed home did that and I went to work and from the 

time I got back it was hard to imagine. Everybody was doing a lot of work and in a lot of 

cases they were doing work that they were not traditionally assigned to. We don’t have 

Security Officers routinely in our dining facility. We don’t have Security Officers posted 

at the gas station. We don’t have a Security Guard out in front of the Medical Facility. 
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We had to do a lot of adaptation on the needs of the Center. For my part, it is to provide 

security to the Center and taking directions at that time from Mr. Throckmorton and later 

Admiral Donaldson would come out of the Test Stand area down here. Our immediate 

needs were communications. We had no off-center communications and that became a 

real big problem and one that we are going to work on fixing in the future. For three days, 

it was like that until we got power back. Day by day you heard it was going to get better 

tomorrow. I think it really did. In B1100 if you had no power, it could really be a 

headache. We had a lot of people in there. A lot of people were special needs folks that 

you had to spend a lot more time with. We started having regular meetings. There were a 

few people from Center Operations and the other Directorates to include Admiral 

Donaldson and Mr. Throckmorton. That was probably one of the better things because 

we had the two Senior Leaders of the Center right here. We had the decision makers that 

could make the decisions at that time. Ron Magee from Center Operations and Don 

Griffith from the EOC they were there but they were really busy with the requirements 

of running the EOC and what was going on there. Within a day or two, after the storm, 

we had our first helicopter come in from Marshall Space Flight Center and they brought 

in a MRSEC unit and satellite phones. We got those up and established outside 

communications. I deal with OSPP, the Office of Security Program Protection at 

Headquarters and was able to talk to the folks that I needed to up there. A lot of people in 

my area wanted to send down additional Security Officers to the Center. That was fine if 

we needed them but at that time I talked to Bill Turner who is our Program Manager here 

for Paragon. I talked to Bill two or three times a day and I said, “Do we need additional 

officers. I can get ten officers. I can get a Captain. Everything is open to us. NASA is 

going to send whatever we need to relieve us.” Bill kept saying, “No, David we’re fine.” 

The initial two or three days where we were working 18 hours a day that was over with. 

We established a 12 hour shift. No days off but we established 12 hour shifts and we 

were bedding down our Security Officers. They either went home or we provided them a 

location on the center to rest. Actually, our biggest need at that time was washers and 

dryers for the Security Officers to wash their clothes. When I talked to my security 

counterparts at Headquarters, they said, “David what do you need? Do you need 

additional officers? Tell us what you need? Anything is the limit.” I said, “I need two 

washers and two dryers. I need 200 gallons of soap and 400 foot extension cords because 

I need to wash these officers’ uniforms. We don’t know how long we are going to be 

here.” At that time power was very limited on the Center. So, they got that in the supply 

chain as others. Our Contractor Organizations at the Center also put in wish list back to 

their Headquarters on what they wanted and again washers and dryers quickly became a 

hot item here because we had people that were working very hard and they were sweating 

and they needed to wash their clothes as soon as possible.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: Was that something that you didn’t really expect? I know that 

was probably one of the last things Headquarters expected you to ask for. Anything else 

come to mind? It was a unique situation. You had thousands of people here.

DAVID DEL SANTO: Right. We were getting worried because for a couple of days we 

had plenty of food for these folks but really didn’t know, especially during the crisis 

phase of the operation, we really didn’t know how long we were going to have to feed 
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three meals and sometimes four meals to not only the ride-out crews and their family 

members that were here but also the people that sought shelter out at Stennis Space 

Center. We were really worried about that. We started having meetings. Gas got to be a 

real problem because with electricity being out, in my case at my home it was out for 

eight days, here it was out for several days but getting gas was a real problem. We had a 

limited amount here on the Center and that was really used for our emergency vehicles. 

We ran out of a lot of that and we had to establish a supply chain. MSS worked through 

Shaw group and were able to start that. Eventually we had gas coming in but at my home 

if you had a two gallon gas tank sitting outside and it wasn’t chained down it would 

become missing very quick because gas became a real big commodity that you needed. I 

was fortunate to stockpile a little of the gas and had enough that I was able to get out 

here. 

As we transitioned through the storm, again it became a big thing on who was out here 

and what they were doing. NASA wanted to send us a lot of people and a lot of

specialties. Some people were really good hearted and they wanted to show up and help 

the Center to recover. We had certain needs for certain people. We had a responsibility 

that once we had a change over that we were going to assist MAF on coming back on 

board. They became an island out there. When the Center Director came from Marshall 

Space Flight Center, Mr. King, and O.J. from the security team and they also had some 

facility folks and flew over there. Their biggest thing at first was just having water and 

MREs and some food to eat and establishing security and communications over at 

Marshall Space Flight Center. Providing support from Marshall to us was a lifeline at that 

time and to MAF. It became not only a Stennis initiative but it also became a NASA 

initiative real quickly. We had a change of Directors after three of four days. Maybe five 

days. Mr. Parsons came back to the Center and assumed control. For some people that 

was an adjustment but it seemed fine. When Mr. Parsons came in here he established 

meetings. We were having meetings all the time but we had different meetings with 

different folks. Some were with contractors and residents only and some were with 

Senior Management and Critical Needs People to get the Center back up. I went to almost 

all of those meetings from time to time. Mr. Parsons stated from the get go the biggest 

thing is people. We’ve got to take care of our people. Everybody who was at those 

meetings really understood that we had to take care of our persons here, not only the 

NASA government guys and the Navy folks but the contractors that support this 

organization here and the Center. That is what we were going to do. We’re going to take 

care of them and the people who sought refuge here.

Day by day, everyday I would try to come in and something else would be up. One day it 

would be the electricity and one day it would be the air-conditioning and then we would 

start having gas lines. Then we started getting gas trucks with lots of gas. I mean the lines 

went down very quickly. We couldn’t fill up cans but after five or six days we even let 

them fill up the gas cans. Things started getting back to normal. I think it was the 

following Monday where a lot of the Center leadership showed up. Then the Contractor 

leadership showed up to our morning meetings. Those morning meetings were called a 

“Tag up”. That’s where the decisions were made for the day. What we were going to try 

to do. At that time, the big thing was power, fuel, people, security and IT 
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communications. Our communications were a real problem that we were working on and 

we would continue to improve on through some of the after action reports that are being 

done. After the 1st week every day things improved and more and more people started 

coming back and then we had accountability of people. The biggest thing is you heard so 

many different stories. People would come in and they would have no home. I remember 

one of the Coast Guard guys was holding a little baby in his hands. The father had been 

up in a tree for a day and a half caked with mud. It was hundred of stories like that. It was 

hard for me because here I am worrying about stuff associated with my home but I had 

responsibilities here that I couldn’t go home. I needed to be here and I needed to take care 

of business and a lot of that was supporting EOC and what comes out of there.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: You are right. At first, just as you wanted to, a lot of people 

wanted to go back and check on their homes but they couldn’t because there was no gas. 

Was there any way to let them go do that? Was that a part of your security problem?

DAVID DEL SANTO: It was a problem because some people wanted to leave and some 

people quite honestly needed to leave. We worked an initiative where gas was provided 

but they left the Center and didn’t come back. A lot of people left the Center and they 

didn’t have a place to go to. I know one gentleman personally works in an office across 

the hall from mine and he is a NAVO government employee. He went home and three or 

four hours later I saw him come back to his office. His house was gone. That was the 

kind of stuff we were dealing with. We heard stories like that all of the time. Later on it 

was put out that almost 1⁄4 of the people that worked out here, regardless who you worked 

for or what kind of job you had either lost their home or their home was unlivable. That is 

a big challenge for the leadership of the Center regardless of what organization you 

worked for and a lot of hard work. They started different initiatives. We had people going 

out and helping people in the communities. We were giving shots. As soon as we got the 

shots we were inoculating people on tetanus and other diseases. Different things started to 

happen. After about the 1st week to ten days, things started to get back to normal on the 

Center. The lights were working. The food was coming in. There was plenty of gas. 

People had jobs and reports that they had to do but it was still in the recovery phase. 

Yesterday was three months after the storm. It is still recovering. I live in Long Beach. 

This weekend my wife and I went down Highway 90 and drove the beach from Long 

Beach to Pass Christian and for four blocks up there is nothing at all. My wife has to go 

over to Turo Medical Center every week or so. If you get off at the Twin Span to about 1⁄2 

mile on the other side of the high rise, there are no lights at nighttime except for the 

Sam’s Super Center that has a FEMA emergency power pole sitting there but other than 

that there are no lights in those areas for those people. This is three months. People in 

other places don’t really understand what went on down here. I can tell you from 

Mississippi’s side of the house. It is going to take months but over in New Orleans in 

some of those areas over there, it will take years if they even recover at all. So, this is an

on-going thing and we really need to... I’m a small section. There’s myself and four 

other people. We had one guy totally lose his house. Another one had several thousands 

dollars worth of damage. On the contracting side, the Security Program Manager lost his 

home. We had 17 Security Officers out of 70 that lost their home. This is hard to swallow 
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because we still had jobs here that we had to come in and support the Center. Those are 

things that we had to deal with on a day to day basis.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: This whole part of the country and all the communities around 

here just changed literally over night. What has that meant for you from the Security 

standpoint before the storm after the storm? How is it different? Do you have different 

responsibilities, a different mindset, different objectives? 

DAVID DEL SANTO: On the security side of the house, we were able to make our 

mission here. Headquarters, they were ready to send all the Security Officers I needed. I 

could have gotten them like that. Fortunately, we didn’t need them here but I know if I 

needed them I could have call. That plan is in place. We’ve done that. If we had to send 

people to Kennedy we had a plan there. If we had to send them to JSC, we could send 

them there. This time it was Katrina and us getting kicked. So we had to worry about this 

place. I had to daily make that assessment. One time I was almost real close to asking for 

help. I made a decision not to do that and it was the right decision but I will tell you next 

time I’m going to be more astute. I think when we do some of our After Action Reviews 

that NASA may even have to look at staging security forces and facility specialists in 

certain areas. For example, if Kennedy is going to be struck by a Category 3 or 4 we may 

want to send some people to Orlando that can come in hours instead of the next day. We 

may want to have air platforms, either NASA air platforms or DOD air platforms 

available to us ahead of time. Our biggest thing here is we are going to have to do a total 

reevaluation of communication assets within NASA and at the Centers. That’s being 

done as we talk. I think that one of the things that was a real realization to me was that we 

had eight days with no power at my house. Day 1, 2 and 3 was no problem because we 

had plenty of food and ice and everything in the refrigerators was frozen. My wife 

cooked the steaks and the Cornish game hens and that lasted for a day. The next day I 

went home and I sat in the Salvation Army food line like a lot of other people because I 

needed a hot dinner not so much for me but I needed it for my family because at that time 

there was really no food left. We had some MREs that were left. We had plenty of water 

that I stocked up on. It didn’t matter who you were. You didn’t have power for eight days 

and some people still today; three months later some still don’t have power. So, they are 

out in that Salvation Army and the American Legion food line even tonight. I never 

thought I would have to do that. 

Three weeks after the storm I briefed Katrina Operations at the NASA Security Officers 

Conference and I told them the same thing. I never thought that I would have to sit in a 

food line. It didn’t matter who you were or what kind of job you had or what your income 

or your background was. All you needed to do at that time was worry about providing 

some food, cold water and ice for your family. I was one that was down there but again 

that was for a short period of time and things started coming up. One thing I tell friends 

of mine is that I went down to CVS pharmacy to pickup some medication for my wife. At 

that time it was long lines at the pharmacy. There was a girl behind me. It was day 8 and 

we had power come in and off at my house. There was lady standing behind me and I 

was talking to her. I asked, “Have you got power back at your house yet?” She looked at 

me and said, “Honey, I ain’t got a house and my husband ain’t got a job and I ain’t got a 
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job and I ain’t worried about power right now.” I felt so stupid because here is a really 

dumb question I asked this lady. We talked for a while and then the prescription line 

moved on and as I was walking out she came up and said, “I’m going to be at a party ten 

years from now and tell this joke about this young guy who came up and asked me a real 

dumb question.” We laughed about that. 

That is really about it. We are still in the recovery, rebuilding phase of the Center here. 

It’s better every day. A lot of hard work was done by a lot of people. The biggest thing is 

everybody stood up really well. I don’t want to go into names because I could sit here all 

day and tell you them. It didn’t matter who they were. Everybody stood up and did their 

job really well here. That was important to see. Mr. Parsons and Mr. Throckmorton and 

the Navy Admiral have been around for a long time. They could see what fine work was 

done by the different people. I’m a small part of it. I’m a Security Chief. I support the rest 

of the Center. We had guys like Don Griffith. Don was up 3 or 4 days straight providing 

the EOC support for this Center. I really felt proud of Don because he really gave it his 

all. There are a whole bunch of Don Griffiths out there.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: None of us has been through anything like this because it’s 

never happen before. You mentioned that you had been through Ivan and George and 

those other storms. Were you part of the ride-out crew for those storms?

DAVID DEL SANTO: I was for Ivan. I was not for George. I was TDY with the 

Department of the Army at that time. Ivan I was, totally different.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: You were part of the ride-out crew for Katrina.

DAVID DEL SANTO: Yes, before, during and after.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: Could you tell us what your responsibilities were and what it 

was like compared to the previous storms?

DAVID DEL SANTO: It was just a lot more intense. During Ivan, I was strictly worried 

about security because our plan went smoothly. Katrina was just so immense and so long. 

There was so much more destruction. Before with Ivan, we were lucky because Ivan 

made a right angle at the last minute and went over to Mobile and Pensacola. Well, 

Katrina came right towards us. It was a massive storm. It was more than 100 miles wide, 

from New Orleans over to the Alabama, Mississippi line. It was so much more damage. 

Thousands of people lost their houses and the infrastructure in a lot of these cities and 

towns. Even today, there is no income coming in there. You can’t go out and eat a dinner 

downtown because there are no waiters and half the restaurants aren’t open if you want to 

go out and eat. Our casino industry is gone. It will be gone at least until December when 

the first ones open up. It was just a lot more intense. Out here we were really 

overwhelmed on the amount of people that showed up because we had a lot more people 

than we expected. The family members of employees were here and the ride-out crews. 

The special needs people and also the people that sought refuge. A lot of people said they 

would never leave their house. They stayed in their house on previous storms. Well they 
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left their house this time and needed to come to some place where they felt safe and that 

place was Stennis Space Center. We took care of them. It was a challenge. It was a 

challenge that was met but it wasn’t an easy challenge. I think the biggest thing is 

regardless of planning, you have a lot of plans. I have plans in Security. The Center 

Operations has plans, the military and even the civilian contractors have plans. You have 

got to be flexible because those plans are written when you aren’t in a crisis mode. When 

you are in a crisis mode and that was for the first three days of really right after Katrina 

and the immediate days after, things change. You have to adapt to the crisis at hand. We 

did that here. We met the challenge and we’re going to write up a lot of things in our 

After Action Reports and next time we’re going to meet it again but hopefully Katrina 

won’t visit us for a long time. 

MARTIN ORAMOUS: I’ll agree with that. Is there anything you can think of that we 

haven’t touch on or talked about strictly from your security point of view that people 

might be interested in or that would be really good to have down for the record?

DAVID DEL SANTO: I think the really good thing about this is that I knew that I could 

call on NASA Headquarters to my security counterparts up there and I could have 

anything I needed as quickly as possible. That is the thing that is going to stick in my 

mind because previously we had drawn up plans to move some of our security forces to 

Kennedy to support them. I really didn’t think that much about it. We would tell them to 

go and they would do a fine job but I now I know the importance of that. That was a good 

feeling to be able to sit back to know if I needed a Captain and ten Security Officers I 

could get them or if I needed that washer and dryer to come in that nobody even thought 

about, that was a real big deal when we started getting those, the little creature comforts 

that came in, the calls home. The guy who hired me out here, he knew that I had access to 

a satellite phone and he asked me to call his wife in Hawaii and I did. It was such a 

comfort to him and her that I said her husband was O.K. but he hadn’t been to the house 

but I was able to do that, just the little things. The dining facility, the meals that they 

provided to hundreds and thousands of folks that ate in there daily. The Center Director 

being out here and being in charge. That was a good thing having the Admiral and then 

Mr. Parsons and Dave Throckmorton out here leading the way and the Admiral from the 

Navy on their side of the house. That was important because the people saw it. Mr. 

Parsons said, “Take care of your people”. We did that at Stennis Space Center.

MARTIN ORAMOUS: Very Good. 

(End of Interview)