H 5734 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE June 8, 1995

Waxman

Williams

Wilson

Wise

Wolf

Woolsey

Wyden

Wynn

NAYS—237

Allard

Andrews

Archer

Armey

Bachus

Baker (CA)

Ballenger

Barr

Barrett (NE)

Bartlett

Barton

Bass

Bateman

Bereuter

Bilbray

Bilirakis

Bliley

Blute

Boehlert

Boehner

Bono

Brewster

Brownback

Bryant (TN)

Bunn

Bunning

Burr

Burton

Buyer

Callahan

Calvert

Camp

Canady

Castle

Chabot

Chambliss

Chenoweth

Christensen

Chrysler

Clinger

Coble

Coburn

Collins (GA)

Combest

Condit

Cooley

Cox

Crane

Crapo

Cremeans

Cubin

Cunningham

Deal

DeLay

Diaz-Balart

Dickey

Doolittle

Dornan

Dreier

Duncan

Dunn

Ehlers

Ehrlich

Emerson

English

Ensign

Everett

Ewing

Fawell

Fields (TX)

Flanagan

Foley

Forbes

Fowler

Fox

Franks (CT)

Franks (NJ)

Frelinghuysen

Frisa

Funderburk

Gallegly

Ganske

Gekas

Geren

Gilchrest

Gillmor

Gilman

Goodlatte

Goodling

Goss

Graham

Greenwood

Gunderson

Gutknecht

Hall (TX)

Hancock

Hansen

Hastert

Hastings (WA)

Hayes

Hayworth

Hefley

Heineman

Herger

Hilleary

Hobson

Hoekstra

Hoke

Horn

Hostettler

Houghton

Hunter

Hutchinson

Hyde

Inglis

Istook

Johnson, Sam

Jones

Kasich

Kelly

Kim

King

Kingston

Klug

Knollenberg

Kolbe

LaHood

Largent

Latham

LaTourette

Lazio

Leach

Lewis (CA)

Lewis (KY)

Lightfoot

Lincoln

Linder

Livingston

LoBiondo

Longley

Lucas

Manzullo

Martini

McCollum

McCrery

McHugh

McInnis

McIntosh

McKeon

Metcalf

Meyers

Mica

Miller (FL)

Molinari

Moorhead

Myers

Myrick

Nethercutt

Neumann

Ney

Norwood

Nussle

Oxley

Packard

Parker

Paxon

Peterson (MN)

Petri

Pickett

Pombo

Porter

Portman

Poshard

Pryce

Quillen

Quinn

Radanovich

Ramstad

Regula

Riggs

Roberts

Rogers

Rohrabacher

Ros-Lehtinen

Roth

Roukema

Royce

Salmon

Sanford

Saxton

Scarborough

Schaefer

Schiff

Seastrand

Sensenbrenner

Shadegg

Shaw

Shays

Shuster

Skeen

Smith (MI)

Smith (NJ)

Smith (TX)

Smith (WA)

Solomon

Souder

Spence

Stearns

Stenholm

Stockman

Stump

Talent

Tate

Tauzin

Taylor (MS)

Taylor (NC)

Thomas

Thornberry

Tiahrt

Torkildsen

Upton

Vucanovich

Waldholtz

Walker

Walsh

Wamp

Waters

Watts (OK)

Weldon (FL)

Weldon (PA)

Weller

White

Whitfield

Young (AK)

Young (FL)

Zeliff

Zimmer

NOT VOTING—18

Baker (LA)

Bonilla

Chapman

de la Garza

Dicks

Foglietta

Harman

Johnson (CT)

Kleczka

Laughlin

Lofgren

McDade

Montgomery

Oberstar

Peterson (FL)

Spratt

Wicker

Yates

b 1545

The Clerk announced the following

pair:

On this vote:

Mr. Oberstar for, with Mr. Wicker against.

So the motion to recommit was rejected.

The result of the vote was announced

as above recorded.

The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr.

RIGGS). The question is on the final

passage of the bill.

The question was taken; and the

Speaker pro tempore announced that

the noes appeared to have it.

RECORDED VOTE

Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I demand

a recorded vote.

A recorded vote was ordered.

The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were—ayes 222, noes 192,

not voting 21, as follows:

[Roll No. 366]

AYES—222

Allard

Andrews

Archer

Armey

Bachus

Baker (CA)

Ballenger

Barr

Bartlett

Barton

Bass

Bateman

Bentsen

Bereuter

Bilbray

Bilirakis

Bliley

Blute

Boehlert

Boehner

Bono

Brewster

Brownback

Bryant (TN)

Bunn

Burr

Burton

Buyer

Callahan

Calvert

Camp

Canady

Castle

Chabot

Chambliss

Chenoweth

Christensen

Chrysler

Clinger

Coble

Coburn

Collins (GA)

Cooley

Cox

Crane

Crapo

Cremeans

Cubin

Cunningham

Davis

Deal

DeLay

Diaz-Balart

Dickey

Doolittle

Dornan

Dreier

Dunn

Ehlers

Ehrlich

Emerson

English

Ensign

Ewing

Fawell

Fields (TX)

Flanagan

Foley

Forbes

Fowler

Fox

Franks (CT)

Franks (NJ)

Frelinghuysen

Frisa

Funderburk

Gallegly

Ganske

Gekas

Gilchrest

Gillmor

Gilman

Gingrich

Goodlatte

Goodling

Goss

Graham

Gunderson

Gutknecht

Hastert

Hastings (WA)

Hayworth

Hefley

Heineman

Hilleary

Hobson

Hoekstra

Hoke

Horn

Hostettler

Houghton

Hunter

Hutchinson

Hyde

Inglis

Istook

Johnson (SD)

Johnson, Sam

Jones

Kasich

Kelly

Kennedy (RI)

Kim

King

Kingston

Klug

Knollenberg

Kolbe

LaHood

Largent

Latham

LaTourette

Lazio

Leach

Lewis (CA)

Lewis (KY)

Lightfoot

Linder

Livingston

LoBiondo

Longley

Lucas

Luther

Manton

Manzullo

Martini

McCollum

McCrery

McHugh

McInnis

McIntosh

McKeon

Metcalf

Meyers

Mica

Miller (FL)

Molinari

Moorhead

Myrick

Neal

Nethercutt

Neumann

Ney

Norwood

Nussle

Oxley

Packard

Parker

Paxon

Peterson (MN)

Petri

Pombo

Porter

Portman

Poshard

Pryce

Quillen

Quinn

Radanovich

Ramstad

Reed

Regula

Riggs

Rohrabacher

Ros-Lehtinen

Roth

Roukema

Royce

Salmon

Sanford

Saxton

Scarborough

Schaefer

Schiff

Seastrand

Shadegg

Shaw

Shays

Shuster

Skeen

Smith (MI)

Smith (NJ)

Smith (TX)

Smith (WA)

Solomon

Souder

Spence

Stockman

Talent

Tate

Taylor (NC)

Thomas

Thornberry

Tiahrt

Torkildsen

Upton

Vucanovich

Waldholtz

Walker

Walsh

Wamp

Watts (OK)

Weldon (FL)

Weldon (PA)

Weller

White

Whitfield

Wolf

Young (AK)

Young (FL)

Zeliff

Zimmer

NOES—192

Abercrombie

Ackerman

Baesler

Baldacci

Barcia

Barrett (NE)

Barrett (WI)

Becerra

Beilenson

Berman

Bevill

Bishop

Bonior

Borski

Boucher

Browder

Brown (FL)

Brown (OH)

Bryant (TX)

Bunning

Cardin

Clay

Clayton

Clement

Clyburn

Coleman

Collins (IL)

Collins (MI)

Combest

Condit

Conyers

Costello

Coyne

Cramer

Danner

DeFazio

DeLauro

Dellums

Deutsch

Dingell

Dixon

Doggett

Dooley

Doyle

Duncan

Durbin

Edwards

Engel

Eshoo

Evans

Everett

Farr

Fattah

Fazio

Fields (LA)

Filner

Flake

Foglietta

Ford

Frank (MA)

Frost

Gejdenson

Gephardt

Geren

Gibbons

Gonzalez

Gordon

Green

Greenwood

Gutierrez

Hall (OH)

Hall (TX)

Hamilton

Hancock

Hansen

Hastings (FL)

Hayes

Hefner

Herger

Hilliard

Hinchey

Holden

Hoyer

Jackson-Lee

Jacobs

Jefferson

Johnson, E. B.

Johnston

Kanjorski

Kaptur

Kennedy (MA)

Kennelly

Kildee

Klink

LaFalce

Lantos

Levin

Lewis (GA)

Lincoln

Lipinski

Lowey

Maloney

Markey

Martinez

Mascara

Matsui

McCarthy

McDermott

McHale

McNulty

Meehan

Meek

Menendez

Mfume

Miller (CA)

Mineta

Minge

Mink

Moakley

Mollohan

Moran

Morella

Murtha

Myers

Nadler

Obey

Olver

Ortiz

Orton

Owens

Pallone

Pastor

Payne (NJ)

Payne (VA)

Pelosi

Pickett

Pomeroy

Rahall

Rangel

Reynolds

Richardson

Rivers

Roberts

Roemer

Rogers

Rose

Roybal-Allard

Rush

Sabo

Sanders

Sawyer

Schroeder

Schumer

Scott

Sensenbrenner

Serrano

Sisisky

Skaggs

Skelton

Slaughter

Stark

Stearns

Stenholm

Stokes

Studds

Stump

Stupak

Tanner

Tauzin

Taylor (MS)

Tejeda

Thompson

Thornton

Thurman

Torres

Torricelli

Towns

Traficant

Tucker

Velazquez

Vento

Visclosky

Volkmer

Ward

Watt (NC)

Waxman

Williams

Wilson

Wise

Woolsey

Wyden

Wynn

NOT VOTING—21

Baker (LA)

Bonilla

Brown (CA)

Chapman

de la Garza

Dicks

Furse

Harman

Johnson (CT)

Kleczka

Laughlin

Lofgren

McDade

McKinney

Montgomery

Oberstar

Peterson (FL)

Spratt

Waters

Wicker

Yates

b 1603

The Clerk announced the following

pairs:

On this vote:

Mr. Wicker for, with Mr. Montgomery

against.

Mr. Bonilla for, with Mr. Oberstar against.

Mr. TEJEDA changed his vote from

‘‘aye’’ to ‘‘no.’’

So the bill was passed.

The result of the vote was announced

as above recorded.

A motion to reconsider was laid on

the table.

Ms. WATERS. Mr. Speaker, on rollPERSONAL EXPLANATION

fcall 366, I was unavoidably detained
June 8, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 5735

and unable to cast my vote. Had I been

present, I would have voted ‘‘no.’’

Ms. M

PERSONAL EXPLANATION

CKINNEY. Mr. Speaker, I was

funavoidably detained on rollcall vote

No. 366. Had I been present, I would

AUTHORIZING THE CLERK TO

have voted ‘‘no.’’

MAKE CORRECTIONS IN ENfGROSSMENT OF H.R. 1561, AMERICAN OVERSEAS INTERESTS ACT

OF 1995

Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask

unanimous consent that in the engrossment of the bill, H.R. 1561, the Clerk be

authorized to correct section numbers,

cross references, punctuation, and indentation, and to make any other technical and conforming changes necessary to reflect the actions of the

House.

The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr.

RIGGS). Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from New

York?

Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask

There was no objection.

GENERAL LEAVE

funanimous consent all members may

have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks, and to

include extraneous material, on H.R.

1561, the bill just adopted.

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there

objection to the request of the gentleman from New York?

There was no objection.

(Mrs. KENNELLY asked and was

LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM

fgiven permission to address the House

for 1 minute.)

Mrs. KENNELLY. Mr. Speaker, I ask

for this time for purpose of inquiring

about the schedule from the gentleman

from Texas [Mr. DELAY].

Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker will the

gentlewoman yield?

Mrs. KENNELLY. I yield to the gentleman from Texas.

Mr. DELAY. I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.

The House will not be in session on

Monday, June 12.

On Tuesday the House will meet at 12

o’clock p.m. to consider H.R. 1530, the

fiscal year 1996 National Defense Authorization Act, subject to a rule.

Members should be advised that recorded votes may take place beginning

at 12 noon on Tuesday.

Wednesday and the balance of the

next week the House will meet at 10

a.m. to complete consideration of H.R.

1530.

After completion of the defense

measure we plan to take up the 1996

military construction appropriations

bill. It is our hope to have Members on

their way home to their families and

their districts by no later than 3 p.m.

on Friday.

Mrs. KENNELLY. I thank the gentleman. I yield to the gentlewoman

from Colorado.

Mrs. SCHROEDER. I thank the gentlewoman for yielding. I am very concerned about what I understand the

rule is going to be next week. Many of

us were not able to offer very critical

amendments this week to the foreign

aid bill, and next week I had an amendment to the defense authorization bill

that would bring the authorization bill

down $9.5 billion to the level the Pentagon asked for. It is my understanding

that will not be made in order and I am

very concerned about that, because I

understood we were going to be allowed

to at least debate fundamental differences and people of the committee,

of which I am on the committee and a

senior ranking member on the committee, would like to debate this fundamental deference.

So I am very concerned about whether next week we are just going to be

here doing some pro forma pantomine

rather than getting to the fundamental

issues of the defense committee and

these incredible markups that have

happened.

Mr. DELAY. Mr. Speaker, will the

gentlewoman yield?

Mrs. KENNELLY. I yield to the gentleman from Texas.

Mr. DELAY. I am sure the chairman

of the Committee on Rules would like

to speak to the rule on this bill. All I

can say is that this is a very important

piece of legislation. We are hoping to

let many issues come to the floor under

this legislation. There are a lot of

Members who wanted amendments; unfortunately we could not accommodate

all of them, but the chairman from the

Committee on Rules can probably

speak to this.

Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, will the

gentlewoman yield?

Mrs. KENNELLY. I yield to the gentleman from New York.

Mr. SOLOMON. I say to my good

friend, the gentlewoman from Colorado

[Mrs. SCHROEDER], I am not aware of

any amendments being denied as yet.

We are still in the process at this late

hour of consulting with both the minority on the Committee on National

Security and with the minority on the

Committee on Rules as to what amendments will be made in order. The rule

will be, as it has been in the past, a

structured rule.

However, in our preliminary discussions with the minority on the two different committees, I believe they believe this is going to be a fair rule to

all Members. Certainly we are going to

try to take all of the major issues, significant issues, into consideration.

As soon as I finish this colloquy we

will go up to the Committee on Rules

and finish the consulting, and, hopefully, within the next hour or two pass

a rule.

Mrs. SCHROEDER. Mr. Speaker, will

the gentlewoman yield?

Mrs. KENNELLY. I yield to the gentlewoman from Colorado.

Mrs. SCHROEDER. I am then hoping

what I am hearing is that you have not

made a final decision on this. I know

that the ranking member on the Committee on National Security has spoken to the Speaker, has spoken to all

sorts of people. We feel this is one of

the most fundamental issues there, and

we thought people had come here to debate reasonable levels of expenditures.

To deny our side the right to offer a

very basic amendment that would

bring the defense budget, the bloated

defense budget, in my opinion, back

down to where the Commander in Chief

had it and the Pentagon had it I think

would be absolutely outrageous, so I

am glad to hear the Committee on

Rules has not done that and that is a

malicious rumor, and I certainly hope

the gentleman from New York will not

do that, or we are going to have to declare war or something.

Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr.

Speaker, will the gentlewoman yield?

Mrs. KENNELLY. I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.

Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. Mr.

Speaker, I want to reinforce what the

gentlewoman from Colorado said. It is

inconceivable to me that the proposal

on the budget made by the President

would not come forward. I want to add,

I have been disturbed, I had hoped we

had had some progress on the rule, but

I do not really believe that we have. In

the first place, 3 days to do the defense

bill is inadequate.

Now in fairness to the chairman of

the Committee on Rules, given an inadequate amount of time there is not

much he can do about that, but I would

say to the leadership on the Republican

side, 3 days to do the whole defense

bill, which I assume includes debating

the rule, which includes the general debate, and then amendments on this

enormous amount of money which is in

fact being increased, is clearly going to

be inadequate, and we are seeing a restriction.

In particular I would like to urge and

I would say to my friend, the chairman

of Committee on Rules, if he is going

to continue to do these rules that have

a 6 hour and 8 hour, in the name of

basic fairness, quorum calls should not

come out of that time. If there is a debate about someone’s words being

taken down, it should not come out of

that time. The problem now is that you

give us the 6 hours and the clock does

not stop. It is like a basketball game

where the time outs and the fouls and

everything else just run the clock, and

then obviously allows people to game

it, and even if they are not trying to

game it, it is a problem.

So to them a rule with a hour limit

if it does not exclude from that time

things like quorum calls, fights over

points of order, et cetera, we are clearly making a mockery of the process,

and I would hope that that would not

continue to happen.

Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, will the

gentlewoman yield?