May 17, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 5117

Ford

Frank (MA)

Frost

Furse

Gejdenson

Gephardt

Gibbons

Gonzalez

Gordon

Green

Gutierrez

Hall (OH)

Hamilton

Harman

Hastings (FL)

Hefner

Hilliard

Hinchey

Holden

Jackson-Lee

Jacobs

Jefferson

Johnson (SD)

Johnson, E. B.

Johnston

Kanjorski

Kaptur

Kennedy (MA)

Kennedy (RI)

Kennelly

Kildee

Klink

LaFalce

Lantos

Levin

Lewis (GA)

Lipinski

Lofgren

Lowey

Luther

Maloney

Manton

Markey

Martinez

Mascara

Matsui

McCarthy

McDermott

McHale

McKinney

McNulty

Meehan

Meek

Menendez

Mfume

Miller (CA)

Mineta

Minge

Mink

Moakley

Mollohan

Moran

Murtha

Nadler

Neal

Oberstar

Obey

Olver

Ortiz

Orton

Owens

Pallone

Pastor

Payne (NJ)

Pelosi

Pomeroy

Poshard

Rahall

Rangel

Reed

Reynolds

Richardson

Rivers

Roemer

Rose

Roybal-Allard

Rush

Sabo

Sanders

Sawyer

Schroeder

Scott

Serrano

Skaggs

Skelton

Slaughter

Stark

Stokes

Studds

Stupak

Tanner

Tejeda

Thompson

Thurman

Torres

Torricelli

Towns

Tucker

Velazquez

Vento

Visclosky

Volkmer

Ward

Waters

Watt (NC)

Waxman

Williams

Wise

Woolsey

Wyden

Wynn

Yates

NOT VOTING—12

Berman

Bono

Chapman

Collins (IL)

Fattah

Flake

Hayes

Hoyer

Kleczka

Schumer

Vucanovich

Wilson

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The Clerk announced the following

pair:

On this vote:

Mr. Bono for, with Mrs. Collins of Illinois

against.

Mr. BEVILL changed his vote from

‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’

So the previous question was ordered.

The result of the vote was announced

as above recorded.

The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr.

GOODLATTE). The question is on the

resolution.

The question was taken; and the

Speaker pro tempore announced that

the ayes appeared to have it.

RECORDED VOTE

Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I demand a

recorded vote.

A recorded vote was ordered.

The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were—ayes 255, noes 168,

not voting 11, as follows:

[Roll No. 340]

AYES—255

Allard

Archer

Armey

Bachus

Baesler

Baker (CA)

Baker (LA)

Ballenger

Barr

Barrett (NE)

Bartlett

Barton

Bass

Bateman

Bereuter

Bilbray

Bilirakis

Bliley

Blute

Boehlert

Boehner

Bonilla

Brewster

Browder

Brownback

Bryant (TN)

Bunn

Bunning

Burr

Burton

Buyer

Callahan

Calvert

Camp

Canady

Castle

Chabot

Chambliss

Chenoweth

Christensen

Chrysler

Clinger

Coble

Coburn

Collins (GA)

Combest

Condit

Cooley

Cox

Cramer

Crane

Crapo

Cremeans

Cubin

Cunningham

Davis

Deal

DeLay

Diaz-Balart

Dickey

Dooley

Doolittle

Dornan

Dreier

Duncan

Dunn

Ehlers

Ehrlich

Emerson

English

Ensign

Everett

Ewing

Fawell

Fields (TX)

Flanagan

Foley

Forbes

Fowler

Fox

Franks (CT)

Franks (NJ)

Frelinghuysen

Frisa

Funderburk

Gallegly

Ganske

Gekas

Geren

Gilchrest

Gillmor

Gilman

Goodlatte

Goodling

Goss

Graham

Greenwood

Gunderson

Gutknecht

Hall (TX)

Hamilton

Hancock

Hansen

Hastert

Hastings (WA)

Hayworth

Hefley

Heineman

Herger

Hilleary

Hobson

Hoekstra

Hoke

Horn

Hostettler

Houghton

Hunter

Hutchinson

Hyde

Inglis

Istook

Johnson (CT)

Johnson, Sam

Jones

Kasich

Kelly

Kim

King

Kingston

Klug

Knollenberg

Kolbe

LaHood

Largent

Latham

LaTourette

Laughlin

Lazio

Leach

Lewis (CA)

Lewis (KY)

Lightfoot

Lincoln

Linder

Livingston

LoBiondo

Longley

Lucas

Manzullo

Martini

McCollum

McCrery

McDade

McHugh

McInnis

McIntosh

McKeon

Metcalf

Meyers

Mica

Miller (FL)

Minge

Molinari

Montgomery

Moorhead

Morella

Myers

Myrick

Nethercutt

Neumann

Ney

Norwood

Nussle

Orton

Oxley

Packard

Parker

Paxon

Peterson (FL)

Peterson (MN)

Petri

Pombo

Porter

Portman

Pryce

Quillen

Quinn

Radanovich

Ramstad

Regula

Riggs

Roberts

Roemer

Rogers

Rohrabacher

Ros-Lehtinen

Rose

Roth

Roukema

Royce

Salmon

Sanford

Saxton

Scarborough

Schaefer

Schiff

Seastrand

Sensenbrenner

Shadegg

Shaw

Shays

Shuster

Sisisky

Skeen

Smith (MI)

Smith (NJ)

Smith (TX)

Smith (WA)

Solomon

Souder

Spence

Stearns

Stenholm

Stockman

Stump

Talent

Tate

Tauzin

Taylor (MS)

Taylor (NC)

Thomas

Thornberry

Thornton

Thurman

Tiahrt

Torkildsen

Traficant

Upton

Vucanovich

Waldholtz

Walker

Walsh

Wamp

Watts (OK)

Weldon (FL)

Weldon (PA)

Weller

White

Whitfield

Wicker

Wilson

Wolf

Young (AK)

Young (FL)

Zimmer

NOES—168

Ackerman

Andrews

Baldacci

Barcia

Barrett (WI)

Becerra

Beilenson

Bentsen

Bevill

Bishop

Bonior

Borski

Boucher

Brown (CA)

Brown (FL)

Brown (OH)

Bryant (TX)

Cardin

Clay

Clayton

Clement

Clyburn

Coleman

Collins (MI)

Conyers

Costello

Coyne

Danner

de la Garza

DeFazio

DeLauro

Dellums

Deutsch

Dicks

Dingell

Dixon

Doggett

Doyle

Durbin

Edwards

Engel

Eshoo

Evans

Farr

Fattah

Fazio

Fields (LA)

Filner

Foglietta

Ford

Frank (MA)

Frost

Furse

Gejdenson

Gephardt

Gibbons

Gonzalez

Gordon

Green

Gutierrez

Hall (OH)

Harman

Hastings (FL)

Hefner

Hilliard

Hinchey

Holden

Jackson-Lee

Jacobs

Jefferson

Johnson (SD)

Johnson, E.B.

Johnston

Kanjorski

Kaptur

Kennedy (MA)

Kennedy (RI)

Kennelly

Kildee

Klink

LaFalce

Lantos

Levin

Lewis (GA)

Lipinski

Lofgren

Lowey

Luther

Maloney

Manton

Markey

Martinez

Mascara

Matsui

McCarthy

McDermott

McHale

McKinney

McNulty

Meehan

Meek

Menendez

Mfume

Miller (CA)

Mineta

Mink

Moakley

Mollohan

Moran

Murtha

Nadler

Neal

Oberstar

Obey

Olver

Ortiz

Owens

Pallone

Pastor

Payne (NJ)

Payne (VA)

Pelosi

Pickett

Pomeroy

Poshard

Rahall

Rangel

Reed

Reynolds

Richardson

Rivers

Roybal-Allard

Rush

Sabo

Sanders

Sawyer

Schroeder

Scott

Serrano

Skaggs

Skelton

Slaughter

Spratt

Stark

Stokes

Studds

Stupak

Tanner

Tejeda

Thompson

Torres

Torricelli

Towns

Tucker

Velazquez

Vento

Visclosky

Volkmer

Ward

Waters

Watt (NC)

Waxman

Williams

Wise

Woolsey

Wyden

Wynn

Yates

NOT VOTING—11

Abercrombie

Berman

Bono

Chapman

Collins (IL)

Flake

Hayes

Hoyer

Kleczka

Schumer

Zeliff

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On this vote:

Mr. Beno for, with Mrs. Collins of Illinois

against.

So the resolution was agreed to.

The result of the vote was announced

as above recorded.

A motion to reconsider was laid on

the table.

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PERMISSION FOR COMMITTEE ON

INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS TO

HAVE UNTIL MIDNIGHT MAY 18,

1995, TO FILE A REPORT ON H.R.

1561, THE AMERICAN OVERSEAS

INTERESTS ACT

Mr. GILMAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask

unanimous consent that the Committee on International Relations have

until Thursday, May 18, 1995, to file a

report on H.R. 1561, the American Overseas Interests Act.

Mr. MORAN. Mr. Speaker, reserving

the right to object, I have no objection

if there are no further speakers.

Mr. Speaker, I withdraw my reservation of objection.

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there

objection to the request of the gentleman from New York [Mr. GILMAN]?

ANNOUNCEMENT ON AMENDMENT

PROCESS FOR H.R. 1561, THE

There was no objection.

fAMERICAN OVERSEAS INTERESTS ACT

(Mr. SOLOMON asked and was given

permission to address the House for 1

minute.)

Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, in relation to the last unanimous-consent request, I would like to announce to

Members that the Committee on Rules

has tentatively scheduled to meet this

coming Monday to consider a rule for

H.R. 1561, the American Overseas Interest Act, more commonly known as the
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State Department Foreign Assistance

Authorization.

The bill was ordered reported by the

Committee on International Relations

on Monday of this week, and the report

is expected to be filed tomorrow night

according to the last unanimous-consent request. The House is expected to

begin general debate and the amendment process next Tuesday. The rule

will likely require that amendments be

preprinted in the amendment section of

the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD prior to

their consideration.

Members should use the Office of

Legislative Counsel to ensure their

amendments are properly drafted to

the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the Committee on International Relations that

will be made as base text for amendment purposes. A copy of the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute will be published in today’s

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD by the gentleman from New York [Mr. GILMAN],

the chairman of the committee, for reference and drafting purposes. It will be

available at the offices of the committee.

Since the rule will not be structured

as far as the limiting of amendments is

concerned, there is no need for Members to file their amendments with the

Committee on Rules or to testify before us. If Members have any questions,

they can contact Dave Lonie in our

Committee on Rules at 57985.

Mr. SABO. Mr. Chairman, will the

gentleman yield?

Mr. SOLOMON. I yield to the gentleman from Minnesota.

Mr. SABO. Mr. Chairman, my question relates not to the immediate subject, but the prior subject of the rule

on the budget. Let me just simply

make sure I understand that rule in

terms of the 6 hours of debate.

As I understand it, the first hour is 1

hour of general debate controlled by

the chairman and myself. The second

hour is reserved for the Joint Economic Committee, the time to be controlled by the Chair of the Joint Economic Committee and the gentleman

from California [Mr. STARK], the ranking minority member. Then we revert

to the general debate on the budget

resolution.

Mr. SOLOMON. That is the normal

procedure. it is what we have followed

in the past. We will follow it this year

as well.

Mr. SABO. The reason I ask, 2 years

ago, we had a little disconnect. One

side was on JEC for a period of time,

and the other side was not. So the plan

this year is the first hour would be

budget debate, the second hour JEC debate, and then hours three through six

general debate on the budget resolution.

Mr. SOLOMON. The chairman of the

Committee on the Budget is nodding

his head yes, that is correct.

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION ON

THE BUDGET—FISCAL YEAR 1996

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 149 and rule

XXIII, the Chair declares the House in

the Committee of the Whole House on

the State of the Union for the consideration of the concurrent resolution,

House Concurrent Resolution 67.

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IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into the Committee of the Whole

House on the State of the Union for the

consideration of the concurrent resolution (H. Con. Res. 67) setting forth the

congressional budget for the U.S. Government for the fiscal years 1996, 1997,

1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002, with Mr.

SENSENBRENNER in the chair.

The Clerk read the title of the concurrent resolution.

The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to the

rule, the concurrent resolution is considered as having been read the first

time.

Under the rule, debate shall be confined to the congressional budget and

shall not exceed 6 hours, including 1

hour on the subject of economic goals

and policies, equally divided and controlled by the gentleman from Ohio

[Mr. KASICH] and the gentleman from

Minnesota [Mr. SABO].

The Chair recognizes the gentleman

from Ohio [Mr. KASICH].

Mr. KASICH. Mr. Chairman, I yield

myself such time as I may consume.

Mr. Chairman, I have to confess, as I

get ready to speak, I am nervous. I cannot remember the last time I was,

frankly, this nervous or anxious. But I

guess it is the way it needs to be, because, ladies and gentlemen, we are

about to engage in a historic debate

The House is about to consider a document that truly represents a bold, innovative, and some have called it, and

frankly they are probably right, a revolutionary document and a vision for

where America should go.

I have been amazed over the last couple weeks just walking through the

hallways here. In fact, I just had a husband and wife grab me as I was getting

ready to come in the door, and I do not

know where they are from, I do not

know what their names are, but you

know what they said? ‘‘Thank you,

Thank you, Mr. KASICH, and thank

your team for what they are doing.’’

I am hearing it everywhere I go. I

think the American people have, in

fact, decided that we have this week a

rendezvous with destiny, that, in fact,

we cannot continue down the path of

more deficits and more red ink, because in the guts of every mother and

father in this country there is a sinking feeling that if in fact the politicians, the elected representatives of

our country, do not stand up and do the

right thing, their children will be at

risk, their future will be called into

question.

That is why when people have had

some problems with some of the specifies in this proposal, they never stop

like they did over the last several

years and say vote it all down. They

are saying ‘‘Maybe we can fix that.

But, please, Congress, do not take your

eye off the ball. Please work to save

the country.’’

That is what we are hearing. And I

got to tell you, when I was out here

with the Contract for America, paying

for the family tax credits, and let me

say this, if there is anything beyond

the balanced budget we ought to be emphasizing into the 21st century, if there

is anything in this country we ought to

be reinforcing, it is the American family. If there is anything that can provide a building block for superlatives

for individuals in this Nation into the

next century, it is the family, isn’t it?

It is the family structure that served

this country well for 200 years, and the

families are going to benefits under

this.

The beautiful thing though is back

when we were passing the contract,

people said ‘‘You can’t give us tax relief. You can’t have growth incentives

and balance the budget.’’ And I said

then, along with my wonderful budget

team, and we speak as a team, I do not

speak as JOHN KASICH, I speak as a

leader of a group of wonderful men and

women who are the tip of the spear in

terms of this new American revolution,

we said that we would come back here

in May and we would lay a document

down that would get us to zero, to balance this budget, and save the future.

And that is precisely what we are doing

today.

Isn’t it wonderful? Isn’t it wonderful

in America that a group of elected officials are keeping their word? And you

know why we are doing it? You know

why we came together and we put this

revolutionary document together? For

two basic reasons. One is the next generation. This is about the children.

This is about a growth society, an opportunity society, as our Speaker likes

to say, that in a no growth economy

the rich get richer and the poor get

poorer.

But in a growing economy, and Alan

Greenspan painted a picture for us, if

we can balance the budget by 2002, if

we can balance the budget, Alan Greenspan said we cannot begin to chart the

kind of prosperity that we can have in

America.

As the son of a mailman who got to

be in the Congress and the chairman of

the Committee on the Budget, how

wonderful is it that in the United

States of America, that every kid in

America, using our system, can learn

to fly. That is right, ladies and gentlemen, we can fly. That is right, ladies

and gentlemen, we can fly. We can

dream, and it is not about just dreams.

It is about accomplishing those

dreams.

That is why the Committee on the

Budget and the Republicans in the

House, along with our courageous colleague on the Committee on the Budget, the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr.