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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL

SAFETY AND HEALTH

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ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION AND

WORKER HEALTH

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109th MEETING

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WEDNESDAY

JANUARY 20, 2016

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The meeting convened via 

teleconference at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time, James 

M. Melius, Chairman, presiding.

PRESENT:

JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman

JOSIE BEACH, Member

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON, Member

R. WILLIAM FIELD, Member

DAVID KOTELCHUCK, Member

JAMES E. LOCKEY, Member

WANDA I. MUNN, Member

JOHN W. POSTON, SR., Member

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER, Member

LORETTA R. VALERIO, Member

PAUL L. ZIEMER, Member

TED KATZ, Designated Federal Official
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REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS:

ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH Contractor

AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE

BAGRIER, HARRY

BAKER, STEVE

BARTON, BOB, SC&A

BEHLING, KATHY, SC&A

FITZGERALD, JOE, SC&A

FROWISS, ALBERT

HINNEFELD, STU, DCAS

KOTSCH, JEFF, DOL

LIN, JENNY, HHS

MAURO, JOHN, SC&A

OSTROW, STEVE, SC&A

NETON, JIM, DCAS

RAMSPOTT, JOHN

RUTHERFORD, LAVON, DCAS

STIVER, JOHN, SC&A

TAULBEE, TIM, DCAS
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Contents 

ROLL CALL ........................................ 4

Idaho National Laboratory SEC .................... 6

SEC Petition Status Update ...................... 17

Update from Workgroups and Subcommittees ........ 19

Dose Reconstruction Committee ................... 20

Rocky Flats Work Group .......................... 21

Plans for the March 2016 Board Meeting .......... 24
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 11:01 a.m.

3 MR. KATZ: Let us begin with roll call. 

4 And, okay, a couple things to note before I get 

5 started with that. The agenda's online on the 

6 Advisory Board section of the NIOSH web site under 

7 today's meetings or meetings, today's date. So 

8 people who want to see the agenda can follow on 

9 there.

10 One sort of minor change to the agenda, 

11 we have the Idaho National Laboratory SEC petition 

12 on the agenda, and we noted this to petitioners in 

13 advance. How much discussion that was to get 

14 depended on our Work Group meeting which we just 

15 had, and the Work Group meeting -- there's more work 

16 to be done, to be short about it, and Josie, who 

17 chaired that meeting, will give everybody and 

18 update. And so we won't have an action on that SEC 

19 for this teleconference. I just want to make that 

20 clear up front.

21 ROLL CALL

22 And then let's get on with roll call. 
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1 And I'll just do it alphabetically because it's 

2 easiest. The only conflict of interest for the 

3 agenda is Brad Clawson for INL.

4 (Roll call.)

5 MR. KATZ: Okay. Very good. That 

6 takes care of roll call. 

7 The other thing I'll just take care of 

8 before I hand it over to Dr. Melius, the Chair, is 

9 just registering the absentee votes from the 

10 November Board meeting. 

11 In November the Board acted on two SEC 

12 petitions, one for Battelle Laboratory, King 

13 Avenue in Columbus, Ohio and one for Kansas City 

14 Plant, Kansas City, Missouri. And the final votes 

15 came in from absentee Members on January 5th. The 

16 absentee Members for part or both of those actions 

17 were Dr. Lockey, Dr. Lemen, Dr. Richardson, Dr. 

18 Poston and Dr. Roessler. 

19 And the final vote tallies for those 

20 actions, for Battelle it was 15 to 0, in other words 

21 unanimous and complete for extending that SEC 

22 Class, which is all Atomic Weapons Employees who 
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1 worked at the facility owned by Battelle 

2 Laboratories at the King Avenue site in Columbus, 

3 Ohio from '56 to '70. And there's more verbiage 

4 to go with that.

5 And the vote for Kansas City Plant was 

6 15 in favor of the action, 1 against, which was Dr. 

7 Lemen, one abstention, Dr. Richardson. And the 

8 action was in support of the NIOSH recommendation 

9 that dose reconstructions are feasible for all 

10 workers at this facility. So the Secretary is not 

11 recommended to designate an SEC Class for that 

12 facility.

13 And that completes those actions. And 

14 I'll turn this over to Dr. Melius.

15 Idaho National Laboratory SEC

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, Ted. 

17 The first item on our agenda is an update on Idaho 

18 National Laboratory, and Josie Beach has been sort 

19 of the acting chair of that Work Group, so I'll turn 

20 over to Josie for a --

21 MEMBER BEACH: Okay, Jim. 

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Go ahead.
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1 MEMBER BEACH: Okay. Thank you. 

2 Yes, I do have a summary progress update to give 

3 out, or give to you. 

4 So the initial Class Definition for the 

5 chemical processing plant, CPP, at the Idaho 

6 National Laboratory, INL, for the period of 1963 

7 to 1974 was proposed by NIOSH to the Advisory Board 

8 on March 26th of 2015, and it read: "All employees 

9 of the Department of Energy, its predecessor 

10 agencies and their contractors and subcontractors 

11 who worked at the Idaho National Laboratory in 

12 Scoville, Idaho and were monitored for external 

13 radiation at the Idaho Chemical Processing Plant, 

14 CPP, e.g., had at least one film badge or TLD 

15 dosimeter from CPP between January 1st, 1963 and 

16 December 31st, 1974 for a number of work days 

17 aggregating at least 250 days occurring either 

18 solely under this employment or in combination with 

19 work days within the parameters established for one 

20 or more Classes of employees in the Special 

21 Exposure Cohort."

22 During the review of that initial 
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1 report both NIOSH and SC&A identified issues 

2 regarding the state of current claimant dosimetry 

3 records necessary to adjudicate the proposed 

4 Definition. To allow for further evaluation, 

5 additional data capture was undertaken to obtain 

6 necessary dosimetry files mainly related to the 

7 construction workers at CPP. 

8 NIOSH modified the Class Definition in 

9 July of 2015 to effectively split the proposed 

10 Class into two separate periods with different 

11 dosimetry requirements, and that reads: "All 

12 employees of the Department of Energy, its 

13 predecessor agencies and their contractors and 

14 subcontractors who worked at the Idaho National 

15 Laboratory, INL, in Scoville, Idaho and (A) who 

16 were monitored for external radiation at Idaho 

17 Chemical Processing Plant, CPP, they had at least 

18 one badge or TLD dosimeter from CPP between January

19 1st, 1963 and February 28th, 1970; or (B) who were 

20 monitored for external radiation at INL and with 

21 at least one film badge or TLD between March 1st, 

22 1970 and December 31st, 1974 for a number of work 
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1 days aggregating at least 250 days occurring either 

2 solely under this employment or in combination with 

3 work days within the parameters established for one 

4 or more other Classes of employees in the Special 

5 Exposure Cohort."

6 Specifically, a single external 

7 monitoring result directly related to CPP was 

8 required for the period of 1963 through February 

9 1970 with the remaining period, March 1970 through 

10 1974, only requiring evidence of external 

11 dosimetry at the site. 

12 NIOSH and SEC evaluated in tandem the 

13 revised Class Definition by reviewing the adequacy 

14 and completeness of badging records stipulating 

15 work locations for INL claimants in the NOCTS 

16 database with findings of these evaluations 

17 delivered to the INL Work Group in August and 

18 September 2015, respectively. As a result of both 

19 evaluations it was determined that there were 18 

20 claims that lacked a clear records basis requiring 

21 additional data capture at INL to provide 

22 sufficient evidence of work location in either CPP 
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1 or not CPP. 

2 These selected claims were discussed at 

3 both the Work Group and Full Advisory Board 

4 meetings in November of 2015. Additional 

5 supplemental records were received directly from 

6 INL throughout December of 2015 as they became 

7 available. The final supplemental data search was 

8 transmitted from the U.S. Department of Energy, 

9 DOE, and uploaded on December 30th, 2015.

10 At that time NIOSH determined that there were still 

11 three claimants warranting another search of 

12 available records at INL the week of January 4th, 

13 2016. 

14 During that site visit NIOSH discovered 

15 that there were a set of visitor cards and temporary 

16 film badge reports that had not been catalogued and 

17 therefore were not recognized and compiled by DOE 

18 during the supplemental data request from the fall 

19 of 2015. 

20 INL Work Group met via teleconference 

21 on January 15th, 2016 to discover the current 

22 status of the Special Exposure Cohort, SEC, Class 
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1 Definition. At that meeting a number of issues 

2 were raised by the Work Group Members regarding the 

3 latest round of records evaluation in support of 

4 the proposed SEC Class Definition. The following 

5 I'll list:

6 The completeness and adequacy of the 

7 recently discovered records, the INL visitor cards 

8 and temporary film badges. NIOSH reported that it 

9 would be difficult to validate their completeness

10 without a secondary index or database to which to 

11 compare. 

12 Second, reliance on subjective 

13 judgments based on weight of evidence to determine 

14 worker location where definitive locations records 

15 are lacking. NIOSH indicated that it is difficult 

16 to prove a negative and that such judgments are 

17 common and supportable for dose reconstruction.

18 And third, discrepancies in spelling of 

19 workers' names on temporary badge records and 

20 absence of other identifiers such as Social 

21 Security numbers. It is not clear if it would be 

22 feasible to correct or accredit erroneous name 
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1 entries so that no badge records are missed. 

2 The Work Group has scheduled a 

3 face-to-face meeting in Cincinnati for the INL Work 

4 Group; it's scheduled for March 1st, 2016, in 

5 advance of the Advisory Board meeting later in 

6 March to discuss these and other issues concerning 

7 the status of the proposed SEC Class Definition, 

8 as well as any additional results from ongoing 

9 evaluations of the most recent supplemental 

10 records data capture. 

11 One comment I did get that I'm going to 

12 go ahead and read out is from Gen. And she thought 

13 that it would be important at that time during our 

14 March 1st meeting to discuss whether there is a 

15 level of completeness and adequacy in the records 

16 that can be accepted. This is something that the 

17 Work Group is going to have to discuss. The Board 

18 Members are going to have to think about that as 

19 well. 

20 The Work Group, NIOSH and SC&A agreed 

21 during our discussions on Friday that 100 percent 

22 certainty in the records is not possible, so we're 
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1 going to have to come to some decisions there.

2 And, Jim, that's my report.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank you, 

4 Josie.

5 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any questions on 

7 Josie's report?

8 (No audible response)

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I would just add that 

10 it is something that we're going to bring back to 

11 the Board at the March meeting and we'll schedule 

12 more extensive time and give people time to read 

13 the various background reports and so forth. It's 

14 a complicated situation to go through and we didn't 

15 feel it could be dealt with easily on the phone. 

16 And plus, the Work Group wasn't ready to really make 

17 a recommendation yet. In fact, we had just gotten 

18 some of the reports of information a couple of days 

19 before our Work Group meeting, not from lack of 

20 effort on the part of NIOSH and SC&A, but just 

21 timing issues and access issues there. So you will 

22 hear more about this at our March meeting.
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1 MEMBER BEACH: So, Jim, I did forget to 

2 mention also; this would be part of the report, we 

3 are going back to Idaho next week. Most of us will 

4 be there bright and early Monday morning. Some of 

5 you from the East Coast might be a little late. But 

6 we are planning another round of interviews and 

7 data capture.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

9 MEMBER BEACH: So that is happening.

10 MR. KATZ: Right. And this is Ted. 

11 Let me just also add that I'll get the court 

12 reporter, who's on the line, but the company to 

13 expedite the transcript from that March 1 Work 

14 Group meeting so that all the Board Members have 

15 that in hand as well. I think that would be 

16 helpful. 

17 MEMBER BEACH: Yes, I think it would be 

18 helpful, too. And it will be out, I'm sure, the 

19 Friday --

20 (Simultaneous speaking)

21 MR. KATZ: Oh, of course. I mean, that 

22 should be ready in any event.
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1 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: But I mean, the March 1 is 

3 actually a shorter time frame than the contract for 

4 the transcripts.

5 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

6 MR. KATZ: But they have a means of 

7 expediting these.

8 MEMBER BEACH: Yes, I just wanted to 

9 add that that would be an important one to review 

10 also.

11 MR. KATZ: Sure.

12 MEMBER BEACH: Thanks, Ted.

13 MEMBER ZIEMER: Josie, I have a 

14 question. This is Ziemer. 

15 MEMBER BEACH: Okay.

16 MEMBER ZIEMER: I just wanted to follow 

17 up. Maybe this question should go to NIOSH, but 

18 I know that Tim Taulbee mentioned those 18 claims 

19 that they were going to follow up when he reported 

20 at the meeting in November. Now, what are the 

21 status -- did I miss -- what's the status of those 

22 18 claims that they were following up on?
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1 MEMBER BEACH: I can answer that, but, 

2 Tim, did you want to just go ahead and summarize? 

3 And then Bob, if Bob's on the phone, he could 

4 summarize as well. Those have all been rectified.

5 MEMBER ZIEMER: Oh, they have? Okay. 

6 That's what I wondered.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, that 

8 information was available for the worker, but there 

9 is a redacted report that is out. It actually came 

10 out last Friday, the day of our meeting, our Work 

11 Group meeting, that has some of this information. 

12 There's a lot of Privacy Act issues with giving some 

13 of the details in there, but there is a redacted 

14 report out that should be available on the web site 

15 now that has that information.

16 MR. KATZ: Yes, I can circulate that to 

17 the rest of the Board. I can do that now after the 

18 meeting.

19 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes, that's fine. I 

20 just wondered what the status was. I didn't need 

21 the specifics right now.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, and there's 
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1 also a non-redacted report that I assume will still 

2 be available on --

3 MEMBER BEACH: K: drive.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, on the K: drive. 

5 Yes. Try and remember my alphabet.

6 (Laughter)

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, but thank you.

8 Okay. Next item on our agenda is the 

9 highlight of our meeting, as always. LaVon 

10 Rutherford.

11 SEC Petition Status Update

12 MR. RUTHERFORD: Thank you, Dr. 

13 Melius. This is LaVon Rutherford. I will give a 

14 brief update on what we've got planned for March. 

15 We only have a couple of new Evaluation 

16 Reports to present at the March Advisory Board 

17 meeting. We'll be presenting Argonne National Lab 

18 West. That's a Class that's evaluated from 1951 

19 to 1979, all workers. That Evaluation Report is 

20 in internal review and on schedule to be released 

21 to the Board about a month before the scheduled 

22 meeting.
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1 The other report is Lawrence Livermore 

2 National Lab, and that Class is all employees from 

3 1974 to 1995. And that report is scheduled to go 

4 through internal review later this week, but we 

5 expect to have that report to the Board sometime 

6 about a month before the March meeting. 

7 But those are the only two reports that 

8 we plan to present for the March meeting. And no 

9 addenda, no other reports are planned. Any 

10 questions?

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: LaVon, we did hear 

12 you say 30 days, correct?

13 MR. RUTHERFORD: Excuse me? Yes, 

14 about --

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

16 MR. RUTHERFORD: Each report will be 

17 out about a month before, or 30 days before the 

18 March meeting. So both the Lawrence Livermore 

19 National Lab and the Argonne National Lab West 

20 reports will be out about 30 days prior to the 

21 meeting.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Any 
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1 questions for LaVon?

2 (No audible response)

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: If not, we'll move on 

4 to Subcommittee and Work Group reports. And we do 

5 this by volunteer. Why don't we start with 

6 Subcommittee? Wanda?

7 Update from Workgroups and Subcommittees

8 MEMBER MUNN: Okay. This is Wanda. 

9 Our Procedures Subcommittee has not met for several 

10 months. We are scheduled to meet on February the 

11 24th. That's a Wednesday. So at the end of next 

12 months. 

13 We have a number of carryover items from 

14 our last meeting. And Kathy has provided us with 

15 a list of active findings which shows that we have 

16 total active findings right of about 50. We will 

17 be addressing some of those, but only those that 

18 we have already addressed in one way or another. 

19 So we'll have a better report for you when we meet 

20 in March.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank you. 

22 Dave Kotelchuck?
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1 Dose Reconstruction Committee

2 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dose 

3 Reconstruction Review?

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

5 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: We last met on 

6 December 1st and we discussed the blind reviews in 

7 more and in great detail, the draft report to the 

8 HHS Secretary. That took most of the meeting. 

9 There were a number of pieces of data that we wanted 

10 to gather, for example, on female employment and 

11 female claims in the report. That has been put 

12 together by various folks in NIOSH and SC&A and 

13 ORAU.

14 So I am working on that report now and 

15 I hope to finish the revisions by this weekend. So 

16 I'm hoping that we can get this out to the Board 

17 within the week and folks will have plenty of time 

18 to look it over and make suggestions on that draft 

19 at the March meeting. 

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And we will schedule 

21 time for doing that, but if people could try to get 

22 any comments into Dave beforehand also --

23 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Very good.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: -- and share them I 

2 think with the rest of the Board so we understand 

3 the significant concerns people may have about the 

4 report.

5 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: The draft. Good.

7 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Good.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, Dave.

9 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yes. We are 

10 meeting also on -- just to say our next meeting is 

11 February 10th.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. 

13 Rocky Flats Work Group

14 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: That's Rocky 

15 Flats. Pardon me. Pardon me. We have our 

16 meeting scheduled for -- our next meeting 

17 scheduled. Let me look it up.

18 MEMBER BEACH: It's February 10th, 

19 Dave.

20 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: It is February 

21 10th?

22 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.
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1 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay. I thought I 

2 had confused it with the Rocky Flats meeting. 

3 Okay.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. Thanks. 

5 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yes.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any Work Group 

7 chairs wish to make reports?

8 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Well, Dave again. 

9 Maybe on Rocky Flats. We do not have a meeting of 

10 the Work Group scheduled. LaVon and NIOSH folks 

11 have done an updated report on tritium. They have 

12 written a draft of a response letter to the 

13 claimants, and we are fundamentally waiting for 

14 data on the critical mass lab. LaVon and we had 

15 hoped that he would be able to go over the data in 

16 January, but unfortunately it will not be available 

17 until February. So that is delaying our final 

18 decision on Rocky Flats. As soon as we get the 

19 critical mass lab data and have an update on that, 

20 we will schedule a Rocky Flats meeting.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, Dave.

22 LaVon, do you have anything to add?
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1 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes, I would like to 

2 add that the February trip is actually just a data 

3 capture trip itself. It was originally scheduled 

4 for January. The site was unable to support us 

5 until February. So we'll go through the documents 

6 in February. I think Ron Buchanan with SC&A is 

7 planning on attending. And we'll go through that 

8 data, pick what we want. And then it will be up 

9 to get the site to release that information. So 

10 I wouldn't expect that information to be released 

11 until February, but I do expect that we will be able 

12 to get the report updated and have a Work Group 

13 meeting prior to the following Board meeting in 

14 August.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Good. Yes, 

16 no, I also read it. Ted and I were corresponding 

17 yesterday and I sort had heard some of that. So 

18 we'll not be able to talk about Rocky Flats in the 

19 March meeting.

20 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: No.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other Work Group 

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1 (No audible response)

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Between the holidays 

3 and -- the last meeting wasn't that long ago, so 

4 I don't think we've had that many meetings or 

5 anything to update. 

6 Plans for the March 2016 Board Meeting

7 So, okay. If not, then the next item 

8 on our agenda is the next meeting. So, Ted, do you 

9 want to --

10 (Simultaneous speaking)

11 MR. KATZ: Sure. Let me just update 

12 you all on where and how things like for that. It's 

13 a little bit out still. 

14 But we're planning to meet. They're 

15 pinning down a hotel. CDC's pinning down a hotel 

16 right around now, actually, for the Tampa area. So 

17 it will be there. And to remind everyone, the 

18 dates we're looking at are March 23rd-24th. 

19 The agenda as it looks right now is 

20 about a day-and-a-half, depending on how things 

21 hold up. We have all the usual business. 

22 We'll have a session on NIOSH dose 
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1 reconstruction reviews, the methods issue. And 

2 then we'll need to add to that some time also to 

3 discuss the report to the Secretary on dose 

4 reconstructions. So those two go nicely together. 

5 As LaVon mentioned, we have Lawrence 

6 Livermore SEC and Argonne National Laboratory 

7 West. Those are new presentations from NIOSH for 

8 the Board. 

9 And then we expect, I think, the 

10 Pinellas Site Profile review to be completed then. 

11 We hope for it to be so we have some time for that. 

12 Idaho National Laboratory, of course, 

13 which we've discussed today. That will be on the 

14 agenda. 

15 And then one that is a little bit more 

16 uncertain at this point because we don't yet have 

17 the SC&A report in hand to know what kind of slog 

18 that will be for the Work Group, but as you recall 

19 we've had a Carborundum SEC. The Board acted on 

20 part of it and there's a piece remaining, I think 

21 the residual period. And SC&A is doing a review. 

22 It's just about finished with that. So that should 
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1 be coming to the Board soon and the Work Group, but 

2 then the Work Group will have to work through 

3 whatever material is there, issues to resolve for 

4 that.

5 So at this point have that scratched in 

6 tentatively on the agenda. Whether it survives or 

7 not depends on how much work there is for the Work 

8 Group to do, and how quickly they can get it done.

9 And that covers what I expect for Tampa.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Which is probably 

11 more important for the Board Members is that we're 

12 estimating that to be about a day-and-a-half 

13 meeting.

14 MR. KATZ: Right.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So all day on the 

16 23rd and half a day on the 24th. 

17 MR. KATZ: Right. Correct.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: If that helps people 

19 in terms of the planning and so forth.

20 Any questions on that or anything to add 

21 or subtract from the agenda?

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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. If not, I 

2 don't think we have any further business today. 

3 Thank you, everybody, for --

4 (Simultaneous speaking)

5 MEMBER CLAWSON: Hey, Jim?

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

7 MEMBER CLAWSON: This is Brad. I was 

8 just wondering from the NIOSH standpoint of Sam 

9 Glover's sites, I was wondering who's kind of 

10 replacing him on some of these sites.

11 MR. HINNEFELD: This is Stu. I'll see 

12 if I can remember. Lawrence Livermore is going to 

13 be Mark Rolfes. Hanford is going to be Chuck 

14 Nelson. Let's see, where else do we have him 

15 involved? 

16 MR. RUTHERFORD: Sandia National Labs 

17 are both Chuck Nelson.

18 MR. HINNEFELD: Okay. 

19 MEMBER CLAWSON: Who's got Los Alamos 

20 and Sandia?

21 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes, Los Alamos 

22 National Lab is Greg Macievic.
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1 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay.

2 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes, the Sandias are 

3 Chuck Nelson.

4 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. So that will 

5 be Chuck Nelson? Okay. Yes, I just wanted to know 

6 who the point of contact kind of was.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, Brad. 

8 Anything else from -- again, if not, we'll see 

9 everybody in the Tampa area in March or at Work 

10 Group or Subcommittee meetings in between.

11 MEMBER BEACH: Sounds good.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, all, and 

13 enjoy the rest of the winter.

14 MR. KATZ: Thanks, everybody.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

16 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter 

17 went off the record at 11:32 a.m.)