CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION

NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH

ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION AND WORKER HEALTH

MEETING 150

THURSDAY, MARCH 9, 2023

The meeting convened at 11:00 a.m EDT 

Dr. Henry Anderson, Chair, presiding.

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Members Present: 

Henry A. Anderson, Chair

Josie Beach, Member

Victoria Cassano, Member

Bradley P. Clawson, Member

Arthur Frank, Member

David Kotelchuck, Member

James E. Lockey, Member

Nicole Martinez, Member

David Pompa, Member

Genevieve S. Roessler, Member

Loretta R. Valerio, Member

Paul L. Ziemer, Member 

Registered and/or Public Comment Participants:

Roberts, Rashaun, DFO

Adams, Nancy, NIOSH contractor

Barton, Bob, SC&A

Behling, Kathy, SC&A

Calhoun, Grady, DCAS
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Crawford, Chris DOL

Gogliotti, Rose SC&A

Habighurst, Ashton, HHS

Mangel (ph), Amy SC&A

Nelson, Chuck, DCAS

Ostrow, Steve, SC&A

Rutherford, LaVon, DCAS

Taulbee, Tim, DCAS
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Advisory Board on Radiation and Worker Health Meeting 150 Thursday, March 9, 

2023 ............................................................................................................................................................ 1

Proceedings .......................................................................................................................................... 5

Welcome and Roll Call ................................................................................................................. 5

Update on Cybersecurity Modernization Initiative............................................................ 8

Special Exposure Cohorts......................................................................................................... 11

Updates from Work Groups and Subcommittees............................................................ 11

Metals and Controls................................................................................................................. 13

LANL .............................................................................................................................................. 14

Savannah River ......................................................................................................................... 15

Set 31 ........................................................................................................................................... 16

Attending Work Group Meetings ........................................................................................ 21

Plans for the April 2023 Board Meeting.............................................................................. 24
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PROCEEDINGS

11:00 A.M.

Welcome and Roll Call

DR. ROBERTS: So let me officially open the meeting, and good 

morning. Welcome everybody. I'm Rashaun Roberts. I am the Designated 

Federal Official, or DFO, for the Advisory Board on Radiation and Worker 

Health, and welcome again to the teleconference. 

Let me get through a couple of preliminaries for the meeting. The 

meeting agenda, as you may know, is posted on the NIOSH website and it's 

under -- for this program under the scheduled meetings for this month, 

March. And so, you can go to the DCAS or NIOSH website to access it. 

Since this is a telephonic meeting, of course, we need to discuss the 

use of technology. In order to keep the meeting moving forward without 

interruptions, I'd asked each of you to please make sure you mute your 

phone unless, of course, you're speaking. If you don't have a mute button,

press star six to mute. If you need to take yourself off mute, press star six 

again. Also, because we're unable to see each other for this meeting, please 

identify yourself before your comments or questions. 

So with that, I'd like to go ahead and move into roll call on the 

agenda. And I will say that this will probably be a fairly brief meeting. The 

main thing on the agenda today is preparing for the Board's meeting in April 

with a few updates. So, this is more of an administrative meeting today. 

So, with that said, I'll move into roll call. Again. We don't need to 

give -- cover conflict of interest since this is primarily an administrative 
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meeting. So, I will start with the Board Chair, Anderson. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: Present. 

DR. ROBERTS: Beach?

MEMBER BEACH: I'm here. Good morning. 

DR. ROBERTS: Good morning. Cassano?

MEMBER CASSANO: Hi, I'm here. Good morning, everybody.

DR. ROBERTS: Good morning. Clawson?

MEMBER CLAWSON: Here.

DR. ROBERTS: Frank?

MEMBER FRANK: Present.

DR. ROBERTS: Kotelchuck?

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Here. 

DR. ROBERTS: Okay, and Dr. Lockey said that he was unable to 

attend today because of other requirements he needs to meet. Martinez? 

MEMBER MARTINEZ: I'm here. 

DR. ROBERTS: Pompa?

MEMBER POMPA: Yes, ma'am. Good morning. 

DR. ROBERTS: Roessler?

MEMBER ROESSLER: Here. 

DR. ROBERTS: Valerio? Ziemer?

MEMBER ZIEMER: I'm here.

DR. ROBERTS: Okay. So, we do have a quorum, so -- excuse me -- I 

will move on to attendance for NIOSH and ORAU.

MR. CALHOUN: This is Grady Calhoun.
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DR. TAULBEE: This is Tim Taulbee.

MR. RUTHERFORD: Lavon Rutherford.

MR. NELSON: This is Chuck Nelson. 

DR. ROBERTS: Anyone else from DCAS/ORAU? Okay. Let's move on 

to SC&A. 

MR. BARTON: Bob Barton, good morning. 

MS. BEHLING: Kathy Behling.

MR. FITZGERALD: Joe Fitzgerald.

DR. BUCHANAN: Ron Buchanan.

MS. MANGEL (ph): Amy Mangel (ph).

MR. OSTROW: Steve Ostrow.

DR. ROBERTS: Anyone else from SC&A? Okay. Let's move on to -- to 

anyone from HHS and contractors.

MS. HABIGHURST: Ashton Habighurst, HHS.

MS. ADAMS: Nancy Adams, NIOSH contractor.

DR. ROBERTS: Is anyone from DOL or DOE on?

MR. CRAWFORD: Chris Crawford, DOL.

DR. ROBERTS: How about DOE? Okay. And finally, are there any 

members of the public who would like to register their attendance at this 

point?

Okay. Hearing none, let's go ahead and move on to the next items on 

the agenda. 

Again, please periodically check your phone to ensure that you're on 

mute. If you don't have a mute button, press star six to mute. If you need 
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to take yourself off, press star six again. 

So, without any further delay, I'll turn the floor over to Dr. Henry 

Anderson, who's our Board Chair, to lead us through the rest of the agenda. 

Andy?

CHAIR ANDERSON: Thanks a lot, Rashaun, and welcome for those of 

you who are on the call. 

Moving right along. First is the update on cybersecurity modern --

modernization. Grady?

Update on Cybersecurity Modernization Initiative

MR. CALHOUN: Hello there. Thank you. I do have a couple updates. 

And basically, what we've done is we continue to work with the Board and 

SC&A. And we have set up an area within the virtual volume. And SC&A 

can work securely in that area, and that is not available for our staff to see. 

Our IT people can see it, but we cannot, so it's your own little private area. 

And Angela has provided training on the above to that. 

So that's all I have at the moment, but we're continuing to try to do 

whatever you ask as far as getting documents for -- from the SRDB or 

documents for individual case files to you for review. And that's all I got.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. I'd ask board members who are on, have 

you attempted to get additional information? Has the system been working 

for us?

MEMBER CLAWSON: Henry, this is Brad. Yeah, I've gone into it, and I 

can get into the old system that we used to have. There's nothing updated 
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in that. It's just kind of where we left off. 

I was wondering, Grady, are we going to add to that, our old, old 

drive, or are we starting into a new type of a system.

MR. CALHOUN: No, we're going to -- we're looking at trying to get all 

of the data into one spot. Of course, we've got some challenges with that, 

but we're trying to get all of the SRDB documents and eventually claim files 

all into one place where you can look at it. It's just takes a while. But this 

place that we have established, you should be able to get documents from 

us and move them into that area so that you can, you know, look at these 

things and process whether they're DRs or whatever you need to look at 

privately. So, you know, that's where we are. But yes, it's a slow process. 

I wish it was faster myself.

MEMBER BEACH: Grady, this is -- this is Josie. I have a question for 

Grady. Grady, how difficult is it to move things between those two systems? 

Is it fairly user friendly?

MR. CALHOUN: To move them between what two systems?

MEMBER BEACH: Well, you just said that we could move stuff and --

into our -- into that area?

MR. CALHOUN: I'll confess that I've never used that. So, I think that 

-- I don't know who Angela trained, maybe Rose, and she could probably 

help you with that. But it shouldn't be too difficult, but I just can't speak on 

that, I'm sorry. 

MEMBER BEACH: Oh, no, that's okay. I just thought you might know. 

But yeah, Rose is a great contact for that. Thank you.
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MR. BARTON: Oh, this is Bob. I was also on the training, which was, I 

guess, just about a week ago. It's really just drag and drop like it normally 

would be with any Windows system. 

MEMBER BEACH: Okay. 

MR. BARTON: The only real hurdle is just getting the paperwork in so 

that you have proper access to the -- this new sort of secure area that only 

the Board and SC&A can see. But moving the files appears to be just, you 

know, click it, drag it over, and put it in your folder in a secure area.

MEMBER BEACH: Okay. And then you said there's some preliminary 

paperwork you have to do, just online, I'm assuming?

MR. BARTON: Yeah, I believe it's a very simple form. Like I said, we 

just -- we just got trained on it. And really it was just me and Rose last 

week. So, we're starting to migrate some of our folks into it, so. And really 

Rose is a great contact. She's going to be on the call a little bit later. She 

had another obligation, but --

MS. GOGLIOTTI: I'm here now.

MR. BARTON: Oh, awesome. Thank you.

MEMBER BEACH: Thank you. 

MS. GOGLIOTTI: It's really easy. Just a different place that you can 

save things with different permissions. You shouldn't have to do any 

paperwork. I believe that's already filled out. They're just working on 

getting things approved now so we can start using it. 

MEMBER BEACH: All right, thanks.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Any -- if there's no other questions, next 
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up is an update on the special exposure cohorts. Chuck?

Special Exposure Cohorts

MR. NELSON: Yes. Hello, everyone. Chuck Nelson here. Thank you, 

Dr. Anderson. For the April Advisory Board meeting, we will not be 

presenting any new SEC petitions. As probably many of you know, there's 

an upcoming activity with the SRS work group. There's a meeting on March 

22nd, so that's two weeks from yesterday. And also, it looks like there's 

going to be a site visit in the future for LANL, but that date hasn't been set 

yet, but we'll be sure to let the LANL work group know when that visit is 

coordinated. That way if others want to attend, they have the opportunity. 

Other than that, I think the work group chairs will provide updates today, as 

needed, on current ongoing SEC petitions with the Advisory Board. That's all 

I have. Any questions?

Updates from Work Groups and Subcommittees

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Let's move on to work groups. Rashaun 

has just sent around the final list of membership on the various committees. 

So, if there's any questions about that, now is the time to mention it. We 

also have -- 

DR. ROBERTS: Andy? 

CHAIR ANDERSON: Yeah? 

DR. ROBERTS: I just wanted --

CHAIR ANDERSON: Go ahead. 
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DR. ROBERTS: -- to mention one thing. There's been a little bit of 

confusion about the roster, and it's connected to how it's formatted. So, for 

instance, if one work group or subcommittee on the first column continues, 

it continues at the top of the next column. If a work group or 

subcommittee listing continues from the end of the second column, it goes 

on to the first column of the next page. And I think that has caused a few 

questions and confusion. So, what I'm going to do is probably reformat or 

label things so that it's a little more clear who is in what group. But if you 

do have questions, please let me know. And if you want me to confirm if 

you're in a group or not. 

Also, I did -- just wanted to let everyone know, really for the benefit of 

the new members, is that when there's a work group or subcommittee 

meeting that's been scheduled, everyone gets the announcement for that 

work group or subcommittee meeting, and it's completely at your discretion 

whether you want to attend a subcommittee or work group meeting where 

you're not a member. It's just that you would just be a listener; you cannot 

participate in that meeting as a work group or subcommittee member. So, I 

just wanted to clarify that for people. 

MEMBER BEACH: Hey, Rashaun, this is Josie. If we decide to sit in, 

do we need to announce that we're there or we can just sit in quietly?

DR. ROBERTS: You can -- you know, it's really at your discretion, 

however you'd like to do it. 

MEMBER BEACH: Great. Thank you.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Other questions? Do we have any additional 
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updates? SC&A?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I'm sorry, Andy, what are -- what -- 

Metals and Controls

CHAIR ANDERSON: Metals and Controls, we were supposed to try to 

meet earlier, but it's now been postponed. The date, I think, is now in May, 

so I don't think -- 

MEMBER BEACH: Yeah, I have --

CHAIR ANDERSON: -- have anything.

MEMBER BEACH: -- a couple. Yeah, this is Josie. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: Go ahead. 

MEMBER BEACH: I have a couple of brief updates. So, Metals and 

Controls, yes, we were supposed to meet, but that date didn't work out for 

everybody. We are now scheduled for May 12th. We have the supplemental 

review that the work group asked for. It was issued back in August. And 

then NIOSH provided a response to that review in January. Right now I 

believe SC&A is working on a paper. It will be drafted and it will be out 

before the May meeting. I think we're looking at mid-April for that. So, I'm 

gonna have to work with -- I don't know the -- the agenda is going to be 

interesting for this meeting because we have a lot of back -- back items and 

then we have several new iteMs. So, we'll get to -- the agenda out as soon 

as possible prior to the meeting, so mid -- mid-April I would say also. Any 

questions on -- 

MR. RUTHERFORD: This is LaVon Rutherford. Can I have a -- ask a 

question, Josie? 
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MEMBER BEACH: Sure. 

MR. RUTHERFORD: Yeah, the paper that you mentioned that SC&A is 

currently working on, can you tell me what that paper is about? I haven't -- 

I may have missed it at the last meeting. But I'm just curious what's --

what's the scope of this paper?

MEMBER BEACH: It'll be a response to the -- NIOSH's paper that you 

submitted in January. Your response to the supplemental review paperwork 

that was out in March or was tasked in March -- 

MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay.

MEMBER BEACH: -- it came out in August. So, it's just -- so that 

paper.

MR. RUTHERFORD: I understand.

MEMBER BEACH: Yeah, and it's the one -- 

MR. RUTHERFORD: Thank you. 

MEMBER BEACH: Yeah. Okay. Thanks. 

LANL

MEMBER BEACH: And then LANL is another one that's on our radar 

probably for late spring. If you recall, SC&A was tasked by the LANL work 

group at its March meeting to review reports 101 and 102. The bonding 

intakes of exotic radionuclides and the assessment of Los Alamos National 

Lab's plutonium bioassay. So those two reports were tasked. And then in 

parallel, we asked SC&A to review available radiological work permits, the 

RWPs, that were captured by NIOSH as a means of assessing the job-sitespecific bioassay completeness. So, that is happening at the same time. 
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And then in August, NIOSH also issued report 103, which is the review 

of potential exposure to exotic radionuclides using radiological work permit 

data at Los Alamos. So, this is also going to be addressed. The current 

status of that is SC&A has drafted its response to all three reports. And I 

believe they're undergoing editorial review at this time and DOE clearance. 

So, those should be issued, and then we'll talk about scheduling a meeting. 

I did want to ask Joe or Bob if you guys had kind of a time line on 

when those would be available. 

MR. FITZGERALD: Well, you know, Bob can jump in, too. This as Joe. 

You know, we're just wrapping up the drafting. Should be completed 

relatively soon. And then pretty much the normal editorial and clearance 

process, so however long that takes. Even Los Alamos, that might actually 

take a little longer than normal. So probably looking, you know, into May by 

the time the DOE and site clearance is completed.

MEMBER BEACH: Okay. So, we potentially are looking for a June or 

July meeting time, potentially. Okay, thanks, Joe. 

Any questions on LANL or Metals and Controls for me?

CHAIR ANDERSON: No. Thanks, Josie. 

MEMBER BEACH: Thank you.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Other chairs, committees?

Savannah River

MR. CLAWSON: Andy, this is just Brad, and you've already mentioned 

it, but March 22nd we're having the work group for Savannah River and just 

wanted to bring that up. 
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CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Henry? Henry?

CHAIR ANDERSON: Go ahead.

Set 31

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave Kotelchuck. Right. I was on mute 

before. I wondered why I didn't get a response. 

I'm concerned that we have made the choices on set 31, and we are 

really ready to go. I spoke with Rose earlier this week on -- with a one-onones, in fact, quite a quite a while ago. But the our new members have not 

been brought into the CDC network. I gather only one person has. And I'm 

wondering -- I feel that we are losing valuable time by folks not being able 

to get into the system. And I would like to ask that we do press to get 

people on so we can start the one-on-ones.

DR. ROBERTS: Yeah. Dave, I can speak to that. There have been 

many, many barriers and hiccups to getting the new members on the CDC 

system. But things are starting to move forward at this point, so we're 

making it toward the homestretch. But a lot of it just had to do with a lot of 

administrative hassles and changes that made the process much longer than 

we really liked but appreciate that observation.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right.

DR. ROBERTS: We should be getting people together fairly soon.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Fine. I -- I'm -- 

CHAIR ANDERSON: One thing -- 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: -- glad to hear that. I think we -- 
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CHAIR ANDERSON: One -- one -- go ahead.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Go ahead, Henry. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: I was gonna say one thing -- 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: (Indiscernible) --

CHAIR ANDERSON: -- we could do is if you have a sense of is it going 

to be less -- you know, in the next month or so? Because we could -- at 

times it was difficult to schedule the calls and distribute the information. So 

there's a bit of a delay. So, we could potentially -- you know who are on the 

old Board part of this, so we could potentially look to them to schedule those 

calls and hope that before then new Members will be on, or do want to wait? 

There is a delay in between -- 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: -- rolling the --

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: I think --

MEMBER CLAWSON: This is Brad. I think that we ought to schedule 

them. We've got to get going on this. You know, we worked -- we worked 

for a lot of years to be able to get them down, and we're losing -- we're 

losing a lot of time here. And I understand it's no fault of anyone or 

anything else like that, but we've got we've got start get going on these. 

We really do.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yeah, and I -- I -- 

MEMBER CLAWSON: -- schedule them.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yeah, I do too. But I would just say I just 

want to make sure that it's been elevated to a real priority. And anything 
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we can do, anything the staff can do in trying to register -- get a schedule 

set up, maybe among the old Members, and then hopefully one or two of the 

new Members can slot in. Whatever you can do. But it is -- we are losing 

time, valuable time. That's all. And nobody's to blame. We're trying hard. 

Good.

MEMBER ZIEMER: Henry, this is Ziemer. Can I ask a related 

question? Is it -- is there any reason -- or maybe I ask Rashaun. Is there 

any reason we can't go ahead and distribute the cases to the -- all the 

Members that will be involved in the specific reviews even though we may 

not have the actual --

MEMBER BEACH: Review date.

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- times scheduled? Is there any --

DR. ROBERTS: I think that --

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- barriers to -- 

MS. GOGLIOTTI: -- I -- I -- 

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- distribution?

DR. ROBERTS: Yeah, Rose, do you want to answer that?

MS. GOGLIOTTI: Yeah, sure. I can absolutely send them out. Andy 

has already assigned Board Members to various cases. I normally just delay 

them because they get lost in people's email and then I would have to 

resend them anyway, but I'm happy to send them out now. It sounds like 

you would like me to start scheduling the calls. Do we have an estimated 

time when our new Board Members will have computers? Do I shoot for the 

middle of April, early May for scheduling purposes?
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MEMBER ZIEMER: Is there a problem in sending --

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I think -- 

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- these out until they have -- because some of 

these have confidential information in them? 

MS. GOGLIOTTI: No, I can absolutely send them as long as they stay 

on the CDC network. I can send them early. I can send them this afternoon 

if you'd like.

MEMBER CASSANO: I just got access to the -- my new computer 

today. It only took me about two-and-a-half hours and three phone calls, 

but I finally -- I finally got access. This is Tori Cassano.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Oh, great. Great. Well, all --

MEMBER CASSANO: But don't bombard me with all of them then.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. Hey, we have -- we have now two 

people -- two new people who are on this system. We can schedule with 

them, the cases with them.

MEMBER CASSANO: I'm just not sure how to -- I'm not sure how to 

find stuff yet. I mean, I got on there. I got into it. 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Sure.

MEMBER CASSANO: I got all these emails from corporate and, you 

know, I'm not quite sure how to navigate around it yet. 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. Okay.

MS. GOGLIOTTI: Tori and any new Board Member, feel free to reach 

out to me. I'm happy to demo anything you want or walk you through the 

network. I also have some trainings that I can send you.
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MEMBER CASSANO: Excuse me, I'm not being rude, who is this?

MS. GOGLIOTTI: Sorry, this is Rose Gogliotti.

MEMBER CASSANO: Okay, thank you.

DR. ROBERTS: I can send a Rose's email to you guys if you'd like, to 

the New Members, just so that you know to contact her. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: That would be --

MEMBER CASSANO: Great, thank you. 

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah, this is -- 

CHAIR ANDERSON: -- to her.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- that would be helpful.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay.

MR. BARTON: This is Bob Barton with SC&A, just a -- maybe, if it's 

allowable, because we've done it in the past, a quick workaround just for the 

time being for those who don't have necessarily network access, sometimes 

we printed out hard copies and sent them around so you wouldn't 

necessarily have to have the computer and be trained on the access to be 

able to see the pertinent case files just for these one-on-ones, you know, 

before the actual subcommittee meets. I don't know --

DR. ROBERTS: Bob -- Bob, that's true. That -- that is, but we are 

trying to minimize, you know, printing of hard copies and sending them to 

folks. I think we're on the horizon of people getting computer access to 

their CDC accounts. I think we should probably go with that. 

MR. BARTON: Okay. Sorry about that. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: We're having our -- 
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DR. ROBERTS: No, not at all.

CHAIR ANDERSON: -- meeting -- at our April meeting, we can -- if we 

have everything out to people by then, we can get an update, and that's not 

too far off.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Any other committee updates?

Attending Work Group Meetings

MEMBER ZIEMER: Andy, this is Paul. I want to raise a question. And 

maybe general counsel will have to answer this, but I do recall in the past --

this has to do with other Board Members sitting in work group meetings 

since somebody -- I don't recall who asked that question earlier. But I think 

in the past, we were told that we do not want to have a full, let's say, a 

majority of the Board Members on a work group call because that may 

legally constitute -- even if they're not, quote, participating -- this could 

constitute a Board meeting, which we can't have if it's not publicly 

announced. But I mean, for -- the work group meetings are easy to handle 

administratively because you don't have to have a federal record or 

prenotice on them, I think. I think only the subcommittees. But if we have 

a situation where all the board members are on a call, that may constitute a 

Board meeting, that's what, I think, general --

CHAIR ANDERSON: Yeah, we don't want a quorum. Quorum I recall.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That's right.

MEMBER ZIEMER: That's what I'm talking about, and I -- 

MS. HABIGHURST: Yes.
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MEMBER ZIEMER: -- don't know if general counsel has to advise us on 

this, but --

MS. HABIGHURST: Yes.

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- I recall that coming up in the past. 

MS. HABIGHURST: Hi, Dr. Ziemer, -- 

CHAIR ANDERSON: How about if we ask if you're interested in calling 

in, let Rashaun know so we will know how many people might be calling in 

so we can avoid that?

MS. HABIGHURST: Everyone, this is --

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: If you just --

MS. HABIGHURST: -- Ashton from the general -- yes, can you all hear 

me? 

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes.

MS. HABIGHURST: Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Yes, Dr. 

Ziemer, I'm gonna definitely look into that. You raise a very good point. I 

do know that the work group meetings, they are usually publicly -- there's 

usually public notice, but it's not technically required per FACA based on the 

nature of work groups. But I will absolutely look into this and get back with 

Rashaun, because I would be concerned about a quorum being present for 

that type of meeting because it could raise implications for FACA.

Hello? 

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes, thank you. Good.

MEMBER CLAWSON: Yeah, this is Brad. That sounds good to us. We 

just need to be able to know because a lot of these times, we'll listen in on a 
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work group because there's certain issues that they're going over that we're 

trying to get a better understanding for. So, it's kind of important that we 

understand what our limitations are on that.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. Yes. Dave. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: That's why we have an extended number on the 

Board, and most of the committees are no more than four Board Members. 

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Well, I --

CHAIR ANDERSON: We got a little bit of wiggle room, but I think it 

might be a good idea just to let -- I mean, some of them may be of great 

interest to the whole group and especially with the new members, they may 

say, oh, yeah, I'd like to see how these operate, and I've got the time and I 

can call in. So, let's be careful.

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave, and let's in fact -- 

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And if --

MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: -- let's make that a practice. Just that we call 

into Rashaun before we sit in on any other group meeting, and that will both 

inform who's there and also prevent for -- a quorum from developing.

DR. ROBERTS: And Ashton, if you could also look into whether or not 

if folks are listening and if they have to announce themselves too, that 

would be helpful.

MS. HABIGHURST: Yes, absolutely. I will definitely get back to you 

within a few days about this. And just to have a general sense of 

parameters, so I'll get in touch with you, Rashaun. 

DR. ROBERTS: Okay, sounds great. Thank you. 
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CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Are there --

MEMBER ZIEMER: And this is -- this is Ziemer again, -- 

CHAIR ANDERSON: Go ahead.

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- Andy. One more question while general counsel 

is looking into this. I think probably we -- those who listen in, we have to 

make sure that there's not conflict of interest on a particular work group 

site, because I don't think -- if there's conflicts of interest, I'm not even sure 

we're allowed to listen in. So that's something that counsel --

MS. HABIGHURST: Yes.

MEMBER ZIEMER: -- might look at as well.

MS. HABIGHURST: Yes, this Ashton. You're correct. With conflicts of 

interest, you have to -- if you have a conflict at a site, you have to recuse 

yourself, which usually means walking away if you were in person at the 

table and not participating in any conversations or both.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay, so we got a growing to do list, Ashton. 

Okay, other comments from committee chairs? Do members have any 

specific questions?

Okay, let's talk about the April meeting, Rashaun.

Plans for the April 2023 Board Meeting

DR. ROBERTS: Yes, great. So yeah, the April 2023 -- this year's April 

meeting will be virtual. It'll be a web meeting on Zoom. A bit of good news: 

since we completed or the Board Members completed annual ethics training 

in December of 2022, we don't have to have another session ahead of the 
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April Board meeting. We received confirmation from CDC manage --

committee management that we don't need that additional training in April. 

So the plan, the draft plan, is for the meeting to occur on Wednesday, 

April 19th, for there to be a session on the 19th and for there to be another 

session on the 20th, Thursday, both starting at 1:00 p.m. Eastern. We 

would on the first day, Wednesday, have the regular updates that we 

typically have. I was thinking that we would have an agenda item for 

procedures, the subcommittee for procedures review, to get the document 

approvals and about 90 minutes. Josie and Kathleen have been allocated 

toward that on the agenda. Let me know if that's sufficient. 

Did somebody want to speak?

MEMBER BEACH: Oh, this is Josie, yes. I was gonna say yes, that's 

plenty of time. I know one of ours, I believe, dropped out. So, 90 minutes 

is very, very good. Thanks.

DR. ROBERTS: Okay, great. Then -- 

CHAIR ANDERSON: (Indiscernible) --

DR. ROBERTS: I'm sorry?

CHAIR ANDERSON: The start time is at one o'clock? 

DR. ROBERTS: 1:00 p.m. Yeah, 1:00 p.m. Eastern. 

And then on that first day, we would need an hour for a public 

comment session at the end of the agenda for that day. 

Let's see. On the next day, we would have, it sounds like, a very brief 

petition status update, and then an update on Savannah River site work 

group. And we'd also need to have our Board work session. At this point, I 
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think it's hard to say how much time we would need for SRS since we 

haven't had the work group yet. So, we may clarify that on March 22nd 

when we meet. 

But those are the agenda items that I have. Is anything missing? 

Okay, well, hearing none -- like I said, we'll get more clarity with Savannah 

River, and then I'll put times and everything to the agenda and circulated it 

ahead of that meeting. But that's all I have, Andy.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Any other issues people have to raise? 

NIOSH? SC&A?

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Andy, I guess the only other thing I'd say is 

that the Pinellas SEC review is currently going through our editing 

department, so that will be -- it still has to go to DOE for ADC review, but I 

would imagine, optimistically, that work group will be seeing that in early 

April, hopefully before then, but --

CHAIR ANDERSON: Good. 

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- that would be the estimate.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?

Okay, well, with that, I'll accept a motion to adjourn.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So moved.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Seconded.

MEMBER BEACH: Did somebody second it already? 

CHAIR ANDERSON: I think so, yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- was me, Josie, sorry.

MEMBER BEACH: Oh, no, that's okay. 
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CHAIR ANDERSON: We should -- got to recognize the voices, I think. 

Okay, Rashaun, --

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Sorry.

CHAIR ANDERSON: What? (Indiscernible) here?

DR. ROBERTS: No, that's it. Thanks, everyone. 

CHAIR ANDERSON: I gotta get my snowblower ready. We're gonna 

get six inches tonight. They're telling me so.

DR. ROBERTS: Oh, no.

MEMBER ZIEMER: Did we vote on that motion, or are we going to 

keep going here?

DR. ROBERTS: No, we're done.

CHAIR ANDERSON: Anyone's against? It's unanimous. 

DR. ROBERTS: Yeah, thanks a lot. Have a good one. Bye-bye.

(Whereupon, the meeting was adjourned at 1:14 p.m. EST).