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 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

 CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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 NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR

 OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH

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 ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION

 AND WORKER HEALTH

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 91st MEETING

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 THURSDAY,

 MAY 2, 2013

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 The meeting convened at 11:00

a.m., Eastern Daylight Time, via

teleconference, JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman,

presiding.

MEMBERS PRESENT:

 JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman

 HENRY A. ANDERSON

 JOSIE M. BEACH

 BRADLEY P. CLAWSON

 MARK GRIFFON

 DAVID KOTELCHUCK

 RICHARD A. LEMEN

 JAMES E. LOCKEY
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2 MEMBERS PRESENT (Continued):

 

 WANDA I. MUNN

 DAVID B. RICHARDSON

 GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER

 PHILLIP SCHOFIELD

 LORETTA R. VALERIO

 PAUL L. ZIEMER

 THEODORE M. KATZ,

 Designated Federal Official
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REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS:

 ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH Contractor

 AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE

 BARRIE, TERRIE

 FITZGERALD, JOE, SC&A

 HINNEFELD, STU, DCAS

 KOTSCH, JEFF, DOL

 MAKHIJANI, ARJUN, SC&A

 MAURO, JOHN, SC&A

 NETON, JIM, DCAS

 OSTROW, STEVE, SC&A

 RAFKY, MICHAEL, HHS

 RUTHERFORD, LAVON, DCAS

 STIVER, JOHN, SC&A
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 TABLE OF CONTENTS

 

AGENDA ITEM PAGE

Roll Call - Mr. Katz, DFO 4

Welcome - Dr. Melius, Chair 5

Recording Absent Members Votes from 5

March Meeting - Mr. Katz, DFO

Sequestration - Mr. Hinnefeld, DCAS, 8

Mr. Katz, DFO

Special Exposure Cohort (SEC) Petition 21

Status Update - Mr. Rutherford, DCAS

Updates from Work Groups and 24

Subcommittees - WG/SC Chairs

 -Subcommittee on Procedures Review - 24

 Wanda I. Munn (Chair)

 -Pantex Plant Working Group and 26

 Fernald Work Group -

 Bradley P. Clawson (Chair)

 -TBD-6000 Work Group - 28

 Paul L. Ziemer (Chair)

 -Subcommittee on Dose Reconstruction 29

 Reviews - David Kotelchuck

 -Scientific Issues Work Group - 31

 David B. Richardson (Chair)

 -Rocky Flats Plant Work Group - 31

 Mark Griffon (Chair)

 -Brookhaven National Laboratory 33

 Work Group - Josie Beach (Chair)

 -SEC Issues Work Group - 34

 James M. Melius (Chair)

 -Hanford Work Group - 36

 Arjun Makhijani, SC&A and

 James M. Melius (Chair)

Board Correspondence - Dr. Melius, Chair 38

Plans for the July 2013 Board Meeting - 38
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6 1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2 (11:00 a.m.)

3 MR. KATZ: Welcome, everybody. 

4 This is Advisory Board on Radiation and Worker 

5 Health teleconference. And when I joined, we 

6 had a goodly number of people. So I am 

7 guessing most of my Board Members should be 

8 on. So let's get started with roll call.

9 We are going to just wrap up the 

10 letter for a vote we had for BNL. So that's 

11 the only site that we're really addressing 

12 specifically on the agenda. And there are no 

13 conflicts with the Board Members for that. So 

14 you can just respond with respect to 

15 preference. That's it.

16 (Roll call.)

17 MR. KATZ: Very good. The agenda 

18 for the meeting is posted on the NIOSH website 

19 under the Board section under Meetings for 

20 today's date.

21 Dr. Melius?
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7 1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Welcome, 

2 everybody. And I think we should have a 

3 reasonably quick meeting, but let's get going.

4 Ted, do you want to record votes 

5 from our March meeting?

6 MR. KATZ: Yes. Thank you.

7 So we received -- in March, the 

8 Board voted unanimously among the Members 

9 present to deny adding a Class at BNL from 

10 1994 to 2007. And Mr. Griffon, Dr. Lockey, 

11 and Dr. Poston were absent from that vote.

12 They have all voted since, 

13 finishing their voting on April 17th, all in 

14 concurrence with the decision of the Board. 

15 So it is unanimous. And we have a draft 

16 letter, which we have circulated.

17 Jim?

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Do you 

19 want me to do that now or --

20 MR. KATZ: Yes. I think it is 

21 good to just read it in the record like we do.
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8 1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. I will 

2 try to do that quickly. So it's "Dear Madam 

3 Secretary: The Advisory Board on Radiation 

4 and Worker Health, the Board, has completed 

5 its evaluation of Special Exposure Cohort, SEC 

6 petition 00113, concerning workers at 

7 Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New 

8 York under the statutory requirements 

9 established by the Energy Employees 

10 Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act 

11 of 2000, incorporated into 43 CFR Section 

12 83.13.

13 "National Institute for 

14 Occupational Safety and Health, NIOSH, has 

15 recommended that individual dose 

16 reconstructions are feasible for all employees 

17 of the Department of Energy, its predecessor 

18 agencies, and its contractors and 

19 subcontractors who worked at Brookhaven 

20 National Laboratory in Upton, New York from 

21 January 1st, 1994 to December 31st, 2007.
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9 1 "NIOSH found that it has access to 

2 adequate exposure monitoring and other 

3 information necessary to do individual dose 

4 reconstructions with sufficient accuracy for 

5 members of this group. Therefore, a Class 

6 covering this group should not be added to the 

7 SEC. The Board concurs with this 

8 determination.

9 "Based on these considerations and 

10 the discussion at the March 12th, 2013 Board 

11 meeting held in Augusta, Georgia, the Board 

12 recommends that this Class not be added to the 

13 SEC.

14 "Enclosed is the documentation 

15 from the Board meeting where this SEC Class 

16 was discussed. The documentation includes the 

17 copies of the petition, the NIOSH review 

18 thereof, and related materials. If any of 

19 these items are unavailable at this time, they 

20 will follow shortly."

21 And that letter had been 
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10 1 circulated to everybody on the Board. And 

2 there are no substantial comments. I think I 

3 heard back from just about everybody on the 

4 Board. So thank you all.

5 So next we have an update from Stu 

6 and Ted about sequestration.

7 MR. HINNEFELD: Yes. Thank you, 

8 Dr. Melius.

9 When we were in Augusta, I think I 

10 mentioned during my update that I had expected 

11 to be able to tell you at that time what the 

12 impact of sequestration would be on us because 

13 we are subject to the sequester. But I was 

14 not able to do so because it hadn't been 

15 ultimately determined.

16 Now that I know, I want to make 

17 sure I share with the Board what this will 

18 mean for our program, for the short term 

19 anyway.

20 Our sequestration was on the order 

21 of 8 percent, 7.9 percent, reduction in this 
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11 1 year's budget authority compared to last year. 

2 And we learned of this around the March time 

3 frame or that's when we actively ostensibly 

4 start to really understand what was going to 

5 be affected.

6 Now, the ORAU contract represents 

7 the overwhelming majority of the money that 

8 our program receives. The majority of our 

9 money, probably about 70 percent of our money, 

10 goes to the ORAU contract. And so the big 

11 penalty here is going to fall on the ORAU 

12 contract. Some of the other costs are fixed 

13 and really not much you can do about them, 

14 although we are trying to make savings in 

15 other areas and particularly in travel.

16 One outcome of sequestration that 

17 you may have noticed is that travel is being 

18 scrutinized very hard by people above me. And 

19 we're trying very hard to cooperate and also 

20 not request a lot of travel. So the travel 

21 has been restricted, and we believe we can 
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12 1 save some money in travel, which would maybe 

2 lighten the burden on the contract and the 

3 work the contractor can do, but, to be honest, 

4 the amounts of money are so disparate that the 

5 amount we save in travel probably is only 

6 going to be a Band-Aid, if that.

7 Here is the bottom line, though. 

8 The ORAU contract is timed so that it was 

9 scheduled to end at the end of February. And 

10 a new contract was to be awarded. Well, the 

11 procurement process didn't move apace. And so 

12 a decision had been made to issue a six-month 

13 extension on the ORAU contract, which is in 

14 place.

15 So they're still on the job. 

16 They've got a six-month extension now that 

17 runs through October. And as part of that 

18 negotiation for the extension, they were 

19 provided with a spending rate for the next six 

20 months. It was about 20 percent less than 

21 what they spent in the last 6 months.
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13 1 So that's the bottom line number. 

2 You can figure out what that means yourself. 

3 We have 20 percent less contract support. 

4 The contractor does very much of our work. 

5 So, unfortunately, we are obviously going to 

6 have to feel a slowdown in how we can produce 

7 things. And it will affect probably the 

8 schedules for the -- for many of the Work 

9 Group and Subcommittee items.

10 We are still, ORAU is still, in 

11 the process of just figuring out exactly what 

12 the schedule will be with this lower amount of 

13 money. And so when we hear something or when 

14 we have an agreement, they are going to give 

15 us what they propose. We'll have to decide 

16 whether we want to change the priorities 

17 around a little bit, but when we have some 

18 sort of an agreement, we'll be probably

19 sharing with the Work Group Chairmen and 

20 Subcommittee Chairmen what we can envision 

21 might happen.
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14 1 I think the most likely, most 

2 visible places we will see things is in 

3 delivery dates of products for the Work 

4 Groups, for some of the site-specific Work 

5 Groups. But until we actually have gone 

6 through the exercise of figuring out exactly 

7 what ORAU can do with the money available to 

8 them, I don't really have any dates to provide 

9 today.

10 I'll be glad to answer any 

11 questions I can.

12 MR. KATZ: Jim, if it makes sense 

13 before we go to questions, if I just tag team?

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. I think 

15 that would be helpful.

16 MR. KATZ: Then so there's the 

17 impact, in addition to ORAU, the impact on 

18 contracts. And SC&A is on a contract as well. 

19 And they are also having their contract 

20 reduced. Their timing situation with their 

21 contract is also sort of not perfectly sort of 
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15 1 married up with the sequester. In fact, their 

2 contract is a calendar contract.

3 But fiscal year, they're funded 

4 under a fiscal year situation. So they're 

5 taking, in effect, an eight percent hit for 

6 the -- to their contract for the remainder of 

7 this fiscal year. What happens next year is 

8 very uncertain depending on what Congress does 

9 with their sequester.

10 So that hit. I mean, fortunately, 

11 -- and I've spoken to John Stiver about it --

12 it is quite manageable, I think. That hit is 

13 less than the -- they're taking less of a hit 

14 than the budget they operated on last year.

15 So John was quite confident that 

16 reallocating personnel in certain ways for 

17 different projects, he could manage this 

18 without the Board feeling any impact in the 

19 pace of delivery, work, and so on.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, thanks.

21 Now let's open it up to questions 
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16 1 or comments from Board Members. I am not sure 

2 if what you are saying will mean there will be 

3 no slowdown or delays at SC&A. I think one 

4 thing we want to be able to do is sort of 

5 match up what the -- ORAU is slowing down 

6 something, then we should also try to 

7 coordinate that with sort of what SC&A thinks 

8 in terms of scheduling reviews and timing and 

9 so forth.

10 If I understand you correctly, 

11 Ted, I don't think that should be an issue.

12 MR. KATZ: Right. I think it will 

13 be very easy to manage. And, again, the 

14 impact on SC&A is actually much less than the 

15 impact on ORAU.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: So I think we will be 

18 in pretty good shape.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And the other 

20 question for Stu, so how are you trying to 

21 balance this cut at ORAU between individual 
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17 1 dose reconstructions and the various kinds of 

2 Site Profiles -- or, really, it would probably 

3 be mostly SEC reviews.

4 MR. HINNEFELD: Well, initially 

5 the planning is to slow dose reconstruction 

6 preparation somewhat. And always in our work, 

7 SECs, like new SECs and the Evaluation Report 

8 for new SECs, then come -- are like the 

9 highest priority. And after that, we would 

10 work on SECs discussions, where the Evaluation 

11 Report has been delivered but we're in 

12 discussion and with the Board and SC&A about 

13 resolving some findings on those.

14 So that tends to be the order we 

15 do things in and I expect we would stay at 

16 that level. Now, as to -- I worry that there 

17 will be fewer resources available for the 

18 finding resolution process going forward. And 

19 so where we may have had a projected or 

20 hoped-for schedule for some sites, going 

21 forward, I think some of those schedules are 
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18 1 going to be stretched out for delivery of our 

2 products.

3 From our standpoint, I think we 

4 are done with Pantex. I don't think there is 

5 going to be any effect on Pantex and its 

6 ability to talk about it at the July Board 

7 meeting.

8 And the other one I am aware of is 

9 Fernald. And much of our contractors' work on 

10 Fernald products has been done. And so we may 

11 still be able to have a fruitful discussion 

12 between now and July on Fernald. Those are 

13 the two I'm most intimately familiar with.

14 Sites where we know of ongoing 

15 efforts and ongoing research I think are 

16 where, chances are, the schedule is going to 

17 stretch out.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. I would 

19 just offer up I think that you should also 

20 take into account the potential number of 

21 people impacted.
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19 1 MR. HINNEFELD: Certainly.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. For some 

3 of the larger sites where there are SEC issues 

4 that involve a significant number of years or 

5 something, it would seem to take precedent 

6 over the site where, you know, it may just be 

7 following up on -- you know, try and clarify 

8 for, you know, a smaller site. We're just 

9 trying to clarify for a couple of years. So I 

10 suspect the latter would not require a lot of 

11 resources. So I'm sure it's not as 

12 straightforward as sort of small versus large 

13 numbers. There are other factors involved.

14 MR. HINNEFELD: Right. Right. 

15 And the CDC is not furloughing anyone.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

17 MR. HINNEFELD: Staff will be here 

18 but just a much smaller staff than what we 

19 normally have with ORAU.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Right. Yes.

21 Any other Board Members with 
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20 1 questions or comments?

2 MEMBER CLAWSON: Jim, this is just 

3 Brad. This is to Stu. You know, I agree with 

4 you on Pantex. The only thing that I was 

5 worried about, Stu, is DCAS has some papers 

6 that were deliverable for me for Fernald. 

7 Now, they really should have already been 

8 here. I just want to make sure that we finish 

9 those up. You know, Fernald is very close to 

10 being completed.

11 MR. HINNEFELD: Yes, Brad. That's 

12 what I was commenting on. Most of the 

13 contractors' work on those has been done and 

14 is either in ADS review or here for us, for 

15 our review.

16 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. Yes.

17 MR. HINNEFELD: But they are 

18 pretty far along. And I am hopeful that we

19 can make the progress we need to make there.

20 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. Yes. The 

21 last time I spoke with you and I think with 
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21 1 Mark Rolfes they were in an internal review 

2 within you guys.

3 MR. HINNEFELD: Many of them are. 

4 And then some -- like there might be one or 

5 two in ADS review or just cleared ADS review 

6 or something like that.

7 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. That's all 

8 I wanted to make sure. Thank you.

9 MR. HINNEFELD: Yes. For the most 

10 part, I think we'll make that.

11 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay.

12 MR. HINNEFELD: We'll see as we go 

13 forward and how things turn out and how the 

14 discussions go once we have the products out 

15 there.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Again, when do 

17 you think you will have the draft plan from 

18 ORAU?

19 MR. HINNEFELD: I believe we will 

20 have ORAU's draft plan meeting the revision to 

21 the dates that we have been working toward up 
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22 1 to now. We believe we will have that the 

2 first part of next week.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

4 MR. HINNEFELD: And it may involve 

5 some discussion back and forth, for instance,

6 if they stretched out things and one thing we 

7 thought maybe that one should be pulled 

8 forward and something else stretched out.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. And then 

10 if you can initiate some discussions, email or 

11 phone, with some of the Work Group or 

12 Subcommittee Chairs, I think that would be 

13 helpful and we can sort of figure out what our 

14 priorities are and so forth.

15 MEMBER CLAWSON: Hey, Jim, this is 

16 Brad. I was wondering what this is going to 

17 do on Savannah River. You know, we have been 

18 trying to get this for quite a while. And 

19 this doesn't fall into this, but it's kind of 

20 other things.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Well, I think it 
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23 1 could affect that, but let's -- I think those 

2 conversations are a lot easier once we 

3 understand what ORAU believes how it --

4 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes. I 

5 understand.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: -- their plans. 

7 And then we can sort of figure out what to 

8 do. I think that is a -- that was one of the 

9 sites I was thinking of when I think of a site 

10 where there could be a large impact in terms 

11 of the numbers of people involved. And I 

12 think that also sort of impacts the number of 

13 potentially, again, hypothetically the group 

14 for an SEC also reduces the dose 

15 reconstructions, individual dose 

16 reconstructions. So let's see what their plan 

17 is, and then we can work from there.

18 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes. I 

19 understand. Thank you.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. Thank you.

21 Anybody else?
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24 1 (No response.)

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: If not, thank 

3 you, Stu and Ted. And we'll just have to work 

4 through it.

5 MR. HINNEFELD: Right.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: LaVon? LaVon, 

7 are you there?

8 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes. I got the 

9 mute off this time.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

11 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. I have a 

12 pretty short update again, too. So we did 

13 receive two new petitions in March. We have a 

14 petition for the Kansas City plant for the 

15 period of January 1, 1968 through December 31 

16 of 2010 and a petition for K-25 for the period 

17 of February 1, 1992, which is the -- basically 

18 at the end of the statutory SEC, and through 

19 December 31, 1997. Both of those petitions 

20 are in the qualification phase. And so I am 

21 not sure if they are going to qualify at this 
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25 1 time, but we should know soon on both of 

2 those.

3 We are moving forward with an 

4 83.14 for Sandia Livermore. However, I have 

5 looked at the schedule. And even with the 

6 current schedule, I do not believe we will be 

7 able to get that complete before the July 

8 Advisory Board Meeting. So that will be 

9 pushed out to the next meeting after that.

10 We are still looking for claims to 

11 move forward, 83.14 petitions for the early 

12 years at Sandia, and to modify existing Class 

13 definitions for General Atomics and Dayton 

14 project. So, again, when we get a claim that 

15 fits into one of those, we will move those 

16 83.14s forward.

17 So we will not be presenting any 

18 new SEC petitions at the July Advisory Board 

19 meeting. I know there are some petition 

20 evaluations with the Board that Work Groups 

21 may bring to the Board in July for a vote. I 
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26 1 know we have talked about Pantex and others, 

2 but I will let the Work Group Chairs discuss 

3 those.

4 Other than that, that is all I 

5 have got for the SECs.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

7 MEMBER LEMEN: This is Dick Lemen. 

8 I've finally joined you.

9 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Dick. Thank 

10 you.

11 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any questions 

13 for LaVon?

14 (No response.)

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Updates 

16 from Work Groups and Subcommittees? Any 

17 volunteers?

18 MEMBER MUNN: Sure. This is 

19 Wanda. I'll talk to you about Procedures a 

20 little bit.

21 We met in live meeting format on 
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27 1 April 25th with a full day's agenda. We had 

2 discussions that included OTIB-20, the 

3 coworker dosimeter use for external dose 

4 reconstructions.

5 We had OTIB-54, activation product 

6 assessments for beta and gamma.

7 We looked at PROC-44, Special 

8 Exposure Cohort, and their reports on OTIB-55, 

9 conversion of the NCRP 38 neutron quality, 

10 from ICRP, publication 60 using weighting 

11 factors for ICRP. And we looked at OTIB-37, 

12 internal dosimetry coworker data at Paducah.

13 We have about half of our -- at 

14 least half of our agenda and time now is taken 

15 up with the spread of PERs. We have better 

16 than 12 active PERs on our plate right now. 

17 They include a couple from Hanford, the K-25 

18 TBD, and the TIB, the construction trade 

19 workers PER, and we have Blockson, Y-12 TBD, 

20 SRS TBD. We still have Huntington, Ames, 

21 Hooker. So, as usual, there is enough going 
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28 1 on in Procedures to keep us off the street.

2 We are currently circulating 

3 potential risks of completed procedure reviews 

4 and with the expectation that we will have an 

5 opportunity to make some decisions in the next 

6 couple of weeks as to what presentations would 

7 be the best ones to be bringing forward to the 

8 full Board when we meet in July.

9 And our current thinking with 

10 respect to the next meeting is a possibility 

11 of coordinating it with that July meeting so 

12 that we may meet in Idaho Falls. A part of 

13 that depends upon how the agenda for Idaho 

14 Falls works and what those dates are going to 

15 be ultimately decided upon.

16 So that's our Procedures 

17 activities.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Any 

19 questions for Wanda?

20 (No response.)

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29 1 want to volunteer?

2 MEMBER CLAWSON: Jim, this is 

3 Brad. I would like to go with Pantex and 

4 Fernald.

5 As many of you know, we went down 

6 to Pantex about two weeks ago. I would like 

7 to tell Stu I appreciate him and his ORAU 

8 counterpart coming down.

9 I think we're coming to an end on 

10 Pantex. It should be at this Board meeting. 

11 So what I wanted to put out to the Board is 

12 you are going to be getting some paperwork 

13 right there just before the meeting. If you 

14 could read it for Pantex, I think it will help 

15 the meeting go a little bit. But we are 

16 coming to the end on it. And we should be 

17 able to come to closure on it in July.

18 Fernald and Pantex, we have both 

19 got a meeting on June 17th and 18th to be able 

20 to discuss some of the issues. As Stu said 

21 earlier, we have got several papers coming 
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30 1 from DCAS. And the ones from SC&A should have 

2 already been delivered. I believe they were. 

3 And we're getting very, very close on it, 

4 too.

5 So hopefully we will be able to 

6 bring these before the Board. But if there do 

7 arise some questions before the Board meeting, 

8 I hope that you will contact us or be able to 

9 discuss it there at the Board meeting.

10 Thank you.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, Brad.

12 Any questions for Brad?

13 (No response.)

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: If not, anybody 

15 else?

16 MEMBER ZIEMER: Jim, this is Paul 

17 Ziemer. I can give a brief report on 

18 TBD-6000.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

20 MEMBER ZIEMER: The Work Group met 

21 by teleconference basically all day on April 
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31 1 26th. We discussed General Steel Industries, 

2 Baker Brothers, Joslyn Manufacturing, and 

3 Simonds Saw and Steel. Most of our time was 

4 devoted to General Steel Industries.

5 We are working on the final form 

6 for the model for dose reconstruction and 

7 still have some additional work to do. So we 

8 have scheduled another meeting for June 20th. 

9 And also there is a technical call scheduled 

10 between NIOSH and SC&A prior to that so that 

11 we can reach a point where we can resolve the 

12 final dose model to address the findings in 

13 the matrix and try to close that out so that 

14 we get a final revision of Appendix BB for 

15 General Steel Industries.

16 For Baker Brothers, we will be 

17 bringing a recommendation for the residual 

18 period to the Board at the next meeting.

19 Joslyn Manufacturing is not yet 

20 completed in terms of NIOSH responses to the 

21 SC&A review. So that is still in progress.
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32 1 For Simonds Steel and Saw, we are 

2 still working on resolving the matrix issue 

3 there.

4 So that completes my report.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Dose 

6 Reconstruction?

7 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Mark, do you 

8 want to say anything or should I just give the 

9 report?

10 MEMBER GRIFFON: You can go ahead 

11 and give a report.

12 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay. We met 

13 on March 25th. We went over 5 blind dose 

14 reconstructions, and 18 more are in progress. 

15 Things seem to be moving along reasonably 

16 well. And we went through case reviews for 

17 sets 8 and 9. There are a few outstanding 

18 issues, which we expect to complete at our 

19 meeting on May 21st.

20 And then we started on, I believe 

21 on, the 10th to the 13th sets with the 
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33 1 Savannah River site. And I assume we will go 

2 further ahead with that and then possibly get 

3 to the Rocky Flats and Los Alamos plants in 

4 those sets, 10th to the 13th.

5 So we are moving along.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good.

7 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any questions 

9 for Dave or Mark?

10 (No response.)

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anybody else 

12 want to volunteer?

13 MR. STIVER: This is John Stiver. 

14 I just got on. I was having some 

15 connectivity issues earlier.

16 Yes, we are close to findings, but 

17 I think we were hoping to get closer. We are 

18 hoping to flesh those out at an upcoming 

19 meeting. Basically we are working on the 

20 sites, which are, among them, Fernald. And so 

21 I think there are another 14 or 15 findings 
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34 1 there as well.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Any other 

3 Work Group or Subcommittee Chairs want to 

4 report?

5 MEMBER RICHARDSON: This is David 

6 Richardson. Regarding the Scientific Issues 

7 Subcommittee, there is nothing to report

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Anybody 

9 else?

10 MEMBER GRIFFON: Jim, this is 

11 Mark.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Hi, Mark.

13 MEMBER GRIFFON: Just on Rocky 

14 Flats, I can give an update on it only because 

15 LaVon gave me an update in a recent email 

16 here. But I think the summary is that NIOSH 

17 and ORAU had several White Papers in various 

18 stages of completion regarding tritium, the 

19 SBI investigation slash falsification of data, 

20 thorium and neptunium. And I will be 

21 coordinating with them with NIOSH to schedule, 
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35 1 you know. As soon as these go through their 

2 final review process, I think we will probably 

3 be in a position where we can have a Work 

4 Group meeting for Rocky Flats.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And do you think 

6 that will be before the July meeting, Mark, or 

7 --

8 MEMBER GRIFFON: I don't know. 

9 LaVon, you have a better -- is LaVon on or --

10 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes, I'm on. 

11 Based on our current schedule, I definitely 

12 say yes, it will be ready for like a June Work 

13 Group meeting. I think right now a number of 

14 these reports should be out in the May time 

15 period, but I haven't seen ORAU's updated 

16 schedule, as Stu had mentioned.

17 MEMBER GRIFFON: Okay.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

19 MEMBER GRIFFON: So possibly, yes. 

20 Yes.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Again, that SEC 
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36 1 involves a significant number of people. So 

2 we would like to keep that process moving 

3 along to the extent possible, Stu and LaVon.

4 MR. HINNEFELD: Sure thing. We'll 

5 do what we can.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anyone else?

7 MEMBER BEACH: Yes. Hi, Jim. 

8 This is Josie.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Hi, Josie.

10 MEMBER BEACH: I just have a real 

11 quick update for Brookhaven. We had 13 Site 

12 Profile issues. NIOSH responded to the last 

13 two that we needed responses from. And we 

14 have the SEC issues. Basically we just need a 

15 quick call of the Work Group to clear up and 

16 close all of the issues that were satisfied at 

17 the last Board meeting and then just take a 

18 look at the rest of those TBD issues.

19 And I think, you know, a quick 

20 one-hour call will tie it all up for us. So I 

21 will be working with Ted to schedule something 
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37 1 like that in the near future.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. Thank 

3 you.

4 I actually have a couple of 

5 updates. The SEC Evaluation Work Group has 

6 been dealing with a sufficient accuracy issue. 

7 And, actually, I have more of a question for 

8 LaVon or Stu. At our last meeting of the Work 

9 Group, the next step was we were waiting for a 

10 report from or sort of a White Paper from 

11 NIOSH on sufficient accuracy. And I don't 

12 have an idea where that is.

13 MR. RUTHERFORD: I apologize. I 

14 was going to send you an update, Dr. Melius. 

15 That is my fault. Actually, it was an outline 

16 that we were pulling together.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Right.

18 MR. RUTHERFORD: And we have a 

19 draft outline that is being circulated 

20 internally for comment. And so we are moving 

21 forward with that.
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38 1 I did just recently got comments 

2 from John Mauro that some of the technical 

3 findings from Procedure-44 may actually fit 

4 into this sufficient accuracy discussion. So 

5 I am going to take a look at that as well and 

6 see if it fits into the outline. But I don't 

7 see any problem with getting that outline to 

8 the Work Group within the next couple of 

9 weeks.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Great. 

11 And then I think we will do a Work Group 

12 conference call to discuss that and then have 

13 further discussion at the Board meeting in 

14 July. So good.

15 The other Work Group Chair is the 

16 Hanford Work Group. Arjun, do you want to 

17 give an update on the progress there? And 

18 then I have another item as part of that. Are 

19 you still on, Arjun?

20 DR. MAKHIJANI: Yes, I am on.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Good.
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39 1 DR. MAKHIJANI: We sent out a 

2 memorandum updating the key SEC issues. This 

3 was following the site visit that happened in 

4 the middle of May. And DOE had released the 

5 notes from that site visit right away during 

6 the visit to allow us to incorporate that into 

7 the report and also a fair amount of other 

8 research.

9 So that went out last week, I 

10 think, for the Work Group. And I believe you 

11 received it, Dr. Melius. And other Members 

12 should also have received it.

13 So basically Joe had discussed 

14 with Sam Glover, you know, informally some 

15 follow-up items. Some of them are noted in 

16 the memorandum. And basically it's for the 

17 Work Group now to give us further 

18 instructions. Maybe Joe or Sam Glover might 

19 want to add something to this.

20 MR. FITZGERALD: Yes. I don't 

21 know -- this is Joe Fitzgerald. I don't know 
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40 1 if Sam is on the line or not, but both he and 

2 I had data capture requests going back to 

3 Hanford to pick up on a few items on both 

4 sides stemming from the visit further research 

5 that would help answer some of the issues. 

6 But we did get quite a bit on the on-site. 

7 This is to complement that. So that is in the 

8 works right now.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. And the 

10 other Hanford update is Wanda kindly referred 

11 some PER evaluations to the Hanford Work 

12 Group.

13 MEMBER MUNN: We try to be as 

14 considerate as possible.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you. I 

16 should have actually sent you a thank you note 

17 or something.

18 But, anyway, so we will be 

19 scheduling a Hanford Work Group meeting 

20 sometime in the next few, several weeks, 

21 certainly before the July meeting, to discuss 
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41 1 some of these issues and the PERs. I think we 

2 can do it by telephone, which will ease the 

3 scheduling. But we will go forward on that, 

4 move forward on that.

5 Any other Work Group Chairs want 

6 to report?

7 (No response.)

8 Okay. Moving on, the next item, 

9 "Board Correspondence," is really taken care 

10 of already, was just the Brookhaven letter.

11 And then the final item is the 

12 July meeting. I think, as you can see from 

13 our discussions, there is at this point a fair 

14 amount of uncertainty about exactly what will 

15 be on the agenda for July, what will be 

16 completed, and how long it will take to 

17 address some of these issues.

18 I believe we should all plan on at 

19 least a -- probably should plan on I think a 

20 two-day meeting is fair, maybe a day and a 

21 half. It could end up being a long two days. 
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42 1 But I think it is more likely to be a 

2 reasonable day and a half or two-day meeting 

3 in July. And then we'll I think then figure 

4 out whether we try to do any Work Group or 

5 Subcommittee meetings in conjunction with 

6 that.

7 I think let's see where we stand 

8 with some of these other items and I think we 

9 -- and also where we are with this ORAU, the 

10 ORAU work plan, and how that might affect some 

11 of our ability to address some of the sites, 

12 particularly ones where there is uncertainty 

13 about will we be able or ready with 

14 recommendations or updates on those.

15 So if we can let everybody know 

16 sometime in the -- say, give us about three 

17 weeks or so. And we'll pin it down more in 

18 terms of how long it will be and how we will 

19 manage it. But I think, for sure, it will be 

20 at least a two-day meeting.

21 Does that fit with your sense, Stu 
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43 1 and Ted?

2 MR. KATZ: Yes. I think that is 

3 exactly right.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

5 MR. HINNEFELD: Yes. It fits with 

6 my expectation as well.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

8 MEMBER LOCKEY: Jim?

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes?

10 MEMBER LOCKEY: Jim Lockey. Would 

11 that mean scheduling flights out the second 

12 day in the evening or that following day?

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That I don't 

14 think we can say now. We will try to pin that 

15 down within the next -- say, by within three 

16 weeks.

17 MEMBER LOCKEY: That would be 

18 great. Thanks.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

20 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave 

21 Kotelchuck. But which of the days -- we have
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44 1 Tuesday through Thursday set aside. Is it 

2 that we would do Tuesday and Wednesday and 

3 then possibly either leave Wednesday night or 

4 Thursday morning or do we want to do 

5 Wednesday-Thursday and drop Tuesday?

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think the 

7 prior plan is to do Tuesday and Wednesday.

8 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay. Good.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. And, 

10 again, plan within three weeks, we will let 

11 you know about -- we should have a much better 

12 idea of our timing and so forth so people can 

13 plan their travel.

14 Any other comments or questions 

15 about the next Board meeting?

16 (No response.)

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: If not, I think 

18 we can adjourn.

19 MEMBER MUNN: All right. Thank 

20 you, all.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank everybody.
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