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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL

SAFETY AND HEALTH

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ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION AND

WORKER HEALTH

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107th MEETING

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TUESDAY

SEPTEMBER 22, 2015

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The meeting convened via 

teleconference at 11:00 a.m., Eastern Time, James 

M. Melius, Chairman, presiding.

PRESENT:

JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman

HENRY ANDERSON, Member

JOSIE BEACH, Member

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON, Member

R. WILLIAM FIELD, Member

DAVID KOTELCHUCK, Member

WANDA I. MUNN, Member

DAVID B. RICHARDSON, Member

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER, Member

PHILLIP SCHOFIELD, Member

LORETTA R. VALERIO, Member

PAUL L. ZIEMER, Member
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REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS

ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH Contractor

AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE

BARRIE, TERRIE

BEHLING, HANS, SC&A

BEHLING, KATHY, SC&A

HINNEFELD, STU, DCAS

GOGLIOTTI, ROSE, SC&A

KINMAN, JOSH, DCAS

MAURO, JOHN, SC&A

NETON, JIM, DCAS

RAFKY, MICHAEL, HHS

RUTHERFORD, LAVON, DCAS

STIVER, JOHN, SC&A
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

WELCOME

CHAIRMAN JAMES M. MELIUS ...................... 4 

SPECIAL EXPOSURE COHORT (SEC) PETITION STATUS

UPDATE

LAVON RUTHERFORD .............................. 4 

UPDATES FROM WORK GROUPS AND

SUBCOMMITTEES........................... .6

PLANS FOR THE NOVEMBER 2015 BOARD MEETING .... 20

RESCHEDULING JULY 2016 BOARD MEETING ......... 26

ADJOURNMENT .............................. . 31
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 (11:00 a.m.)

3 MR. KATZ: I'll note for everyone on 

4 the line, the agenda for the Board meeting is posted 

5 on the NIOSH website, under the EEOICPA section, 

6 under the Board's scheduled meetings, today's 

7 date. And that's the only document to see there, 

8 is the agenda. And it's pretty simple; you don't 

9 really need to pull it up.

10 So, roll call. I am going to run 

11 through roll call. There are no conflict of 

12 interest issues for this meeting because it is all 

13 generic and administrative material that we are 

14 dealing with today. So we don't need to address 

15 conflict of interest for Members, and I'll just run 

16 down the line alphabetically.

17 (Roll call.)

18 MR. KATZ: Okay. Well, we still have 

19 a quorum and we're fine to go. Jim, it's your 

20 meeting.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, Ted. 
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1 So anyway, welcome, everybody. We have a 

2 relatively short agenda, so we'll be able to get 

3 through it fairly quickly. And we'll start with 

4 our highlight presentation. Our keynote, LaVon 

5 Rutherford.

6 MR. RUTHERFORD: Thank you, Dr. 

7 Melius. My update will be short. I'll be 

8 updating us on the Special Exposure Cohort petition 

9 status. We will be presenting two new Evaluation 

10 Reports at the November Advisory Board meeting.

11 One report has been sent to the Advisory 

12 Board and the petitioners, and that's for the 

13 residual period for Blockson Chemical Company.

14 The other Evaluation Report is an 

15 83.14, where we'll be recommending a class for 

16 Battelle King Avenue site in Columbus. That's a 

17 site where we added a class for the early years and 

18 then we found additional information that supports 

19 extending that Class. We anticipate that report 

20 will be approved late in October.

21 We had expected to present an 
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1 Evaluation Report for Argonne National Lab-West at 

2 the November meeting. However, in August, we were 

3 preparing our Dose Reconstruction Feasibility 

4 Determination when we found Argonne-East had some 

5 bioassay data for Argonne-West for the early years.

6 We immediately set up a data capture, 

7 but we will not be able to complete our evaluation 

8 until the November Advisory Board meeting. Excuse 

9 me.

10 We will be prepared to provide an update 

11 to the Advisory Board concerning the status of our 

12 evaluations for both Argonne and Lawrence 

13 Livermore National Lab at the November meeting. 

14 And that's about it.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any Board Members 

16 have questions for LaVon? Okay, thank you for 

17 that. Okay. The next item on our agenda is 

18 updates from Work Groups and Subcommittees. And 

19 this is by volunteer only, so if anybody would like 

20 to --

21 MEMBER BEACH: Jim, this is Josie. 
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1 I'll go ahead and give a quick update on a couple 

2 of my work groups.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

4 MEMBER BEACH: Kansas City, we have a 

5 Work Group call scheduled for October 26th. We 

6 also have some more phone interviews scheduled for 

7 the first couple weeks of October. And then NIOSH 

8 is possibly planning another site visit to look at 

9 more documents mid-October. So, that's Kansas 

10 City.

11 And then for LANL, there's been some 

12 movement there. The first week of November, we're 

13 planning on visiting LANL with NIOSH, maybe to 

14 shore up that end date for the SEC time period.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

16 MEMBER BEACH: And that's all I have.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. And where are 

18 you on Kansas City? Are there still issues to deal 

19 with?

20 MEMBER BEACH: We just have some 

21 tie-ups in Kansas City. We expect to have the 
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1 sample doses by the Work Group meeting at the 

2 October 26 date. And we should have a 

3 recommendation based on that, if those all come 

4 through by that time period. So, we're still 

5 shooting to report out in November.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank you, 

7 Josie.

8 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave. Dave 

9 Kotelchuck.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Go ahead, Dave.

11 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: On the Dose 

12 Reconstruction Subcommittee, we are meeting on 

13 Thursday. We have gone over, I think, nine or 

14 eight, I believe nine, blind cases. We will do the 

15 remaining ones of that, of a few more, on Thursday. 

16 And we are starting to do, to begin on the report 

17 to the Secretary.

18 And there has been, SC&A has delivered 

19 us a number of very nice graphs. And there's also 

20 some that just came in. Information. So I think 

21 that's moving along well. And we'll really get 
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1 into the nuts and bolts of that, writing a draft 

2 of that report on Thursday. That finishes the Dose 

3 Reconstruction Review.

4 Also, I want to talk a bit about the 

5 Rocky Flats Working Group. We had, at one point, 

6 figured that we would be able to make a 

7 recommendation, a report and recommendation for 

8 the November meeting. But recently, we have 

9 gotten a couple of new either issues or reports.

10 And specifically, [identifying 

11 information redacted] was participating in our 

12 last meeting and has criticism of the report on the 

13 critical mass lab or -- and revisions that he 

14 proposes. And we are scheduling a meeting with 

15 him. We're having a bit of trouble getting a time 

16 that all of us who are interested can participate.

17 But in addition, we received this week 

18 a Rocky Flats petitioner's response to the NIOSH 

19 White Paper on data falsification from 

20 [identifying information redacted] and Ms. Barrie, 

21 who's on the phone. And that will get a review by 
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1 the NIOSH, as well as we asked SC&A for comments. 

2 And we will be discussing this at our next meeting, 

3 which we are trying to schedule for the end of 

4 September, early October.

5 So, given the new issues and the new 

6 report, it's not clear to me that we will finish 

7 up in time to make a recommendation for the November 

8 Advisory Board meeting. We'll certainly know 

9 after we have our upcoming meeting.

10 But at the moment, I feel that I'm not 

11 sure that we will have completed our work by then 

12 and it is very important, obviously, that we do 

13 this, and we do this carefully and properly.

14 So I wish I could say that, give a 

15 specific, that we will make a recommendation in 

16 November. But I am no longer sure, confident, that 

17 we will be able to. We just have to see.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, Dave, this Jim. 

19 I think we should still plan on providing an update 

20 to the Board on Rocky Flats.

21 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: That would be 
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1 fine. 

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Whether or not 

3 there's a recommendation, I think it's useful to 

4 -- we haven't talked about it in any level of detail 

5 for a while and I think it's helpful even if we're 

6 not ready to take action yet, or the Work Group 

7 isn't ready.

8 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. I agree. 

9 We would be glad, I'll be glad to do that. And I 

10 think you -- I agree with you.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

12 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: We've covered a 

13 lot of ground. A lot of things have been resolved 

14 as far as the Working Group is concerned. But the 

15 overall recommendation, we have not acted on it. 

16 Sure, I will make a report then.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you. 

18 Anybody, any other Board Members, have questions 

19 for Dave? Comments? Okay.

20 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Might I ask, Jim, 

21 have other Members of our Working Group received 
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1 the Rocky Flats petitioner's response that just 

2 came in the other day?

3 MR. KATZ: Yes, Dave, everybody's 

4 received it.

5 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Good. Okay, 

6 thanks very much.

7 MR. KATZ: While we're on the topic, I 

8 mean, I can get through it when we're talking about 

9 planning, but for the Rocky Flats session, I mean, 

10 given what you just said, Dave, but also what Jim 

11 said, for the Board meeting, I'm going to have that 

12 slated for the Board meeting in November. I'll 

13 keep that as that.

14 Obviously, whether we have a 

15 recommendation or not doesn't change much there 

16 provided we're giving a full report. And so, I was 

17 planning on having not only your update, but also 

18 NIOSH provide an update as part of that. Does that 

19 seem appropriate? In other words, a full session 

20 on Rocky Flats.

21 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: That's fine.
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1 MR. KATZ: And then the petitioner, of 

2 course, will have an opportunity to comment, too.

3 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right.

4 MR. KATZ: As part of that session. 

5 Okay.

6 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Very good.

7 MR. KATZ: Thanks.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That means we get to 

9 hear LaVon twice?

10 MR. KATZ: It's a very special day, 

11 yes.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

13 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, okay. Anybody 

15 else with Work Group or Subcommittee updates?

16 MEMBER ROESSLER: Jim, this is Gen.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Gen. Go 

18 ahead.

19 MEMBER ROESSLER: I'll report on the 

20 Carborundum, which you have just appointed the new 

21 Work Group. I'm the Chair. Brad Clawson, Bill 
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1 Field, and John Poston are on the Work Group.

2 As you recall, NIOSH presented the ER 

3 for Carborundum at the July 23rd meeting in Idaho 

4 Falls. And I learned this morning that Bob 

5 Anigstein of SC&A is reviewing it and some other 

6 documents. He stated that he expects SC&A to 

7 report by the end of the year. And once that 

8 happens, our Work Group will meet.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, great. Any 

10 other Work Group or Subcommittee updates?

11 MEMBER MUNN: Jim, this Wanda. Our 

12 Procedures Subcommittee has not met since our last 

13 report. We, both our agency and the contractor, 

14 have been working behind the scenes on several of 

15 our more critical outstanding items.

16 Our workload has diminished markedly in 

17 the last year or so. I think we're getting close 

18 to the end of the road in terms of crucial 

19 outstanding data points for Procedures.

20 Our current hope is that we can schedule 

21 a meeting in November. But whether or not we can 
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1 get that done before our Board meeting is 

2 questionable.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, 

4 Wanda. Other Work Group or -- yes, we've done both 

5 Subcommittees, so any other Work Group report?

6 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes, Jim, this is 

7 Phil.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

9 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: This is just a brief 

10 update on some of the INL stuff. There are some 

11 papers, either at DOE or expected to for review, 

12 or we'll probably send out shortly on the Central 

13 Facilities Area, Test Area North.

14 And SC&A is going to issue their second 

15 report on the SEC definition for the CPP area and 

16 that will be going to DOE for review. And then the 

17 report on the bioassay internal dose 

18 reconstruction will be delivered in October.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. And I think 

20 we have a Work Group meeting tentatively scheduled 

21 for early November, or?
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1 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes, we do. Let me 

2 see here.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think it's 

4 November 10th or 9th, whatever.

5 MEMBER BEACH: It's the 10th.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Tenth, yes.

7 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think Ted was 

9 trying to get us to work on a federal holiday. We 

10 protested the 11th, but. So there.

11 I can give an update on the Dose 

12 Reconstruction Review, methods review or whatever. 

13 I can't remember the name of what we call the Work 

14 Group now, but methods for dose reconstruction 

15 reviews.

16 And we're waiting for one more report 

17 from SC&A. And so when we have a good sound 

18 estimated date on when that report will be 

19 available, we'll be scheduling a Work Group 

20 meeting, so.

21 I know SC&A is working on it. So we'll, 
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1 as soon as we get the date, some estimate, we'll 

2 plan on doing that. And we'll be reporting to the 

3 full Board on that at the November meeting.

4 Any other Work Group updates?

5 MEMBER ZIEMER: Hello, Jim. Paul 

6 Ziemer here. I can give a brief update on TBD-6000 

7 with respect to General Steel Industries.

8 We now have the review by SC&A of the 

9 NIOSH White Paper, which dealt with the open issues 

10 on Appendix BB, Rev 1. And the comments by SC&A 

11 have been distributed to the Work Group. I think 

12 possibly also to the total Board.

13 And we're hoping to schedule a meeting 

14 in the next few weeks prior, certainly before, the 

15 next full Board meeting. So hopefully we'll have 

16 a full recommendation by the time of the regular 

17 Board meeting on those final issues on Appendix BB, 

18 Rev 1.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

20 MEMBER CLAWSON: Jim, this is Brad. 

21 I'd like to give an update.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Brad.

2 MEMBER CLAWSON: I guess first of all 

3 what I'd take is Savannah River. The last paper 

4 we got from NIOSH was on neptunium that we were 

5 going to use to work with, which NIOSH put out that 

6 we weren't going to be able to use that. So we're 

7 kind of at a hold there until we proceed forward.

8 But on the neutron/photon, which I've 

9 been waiting for for quite a while, we finally, for 

10 Pantex is one of them, and Stu, correct me if I'm 

11 wrong, but NIOSH admitted this one for Pantex and 

12 a couple of our other sites. And they were looking 

13 at doing a generic, one size fits all, but I believe 

14 that we've made the decision that it's going to have 

15 to be a site-by-site issue when we have to deal with 

16 that neutron/photon ratio.

17 But we're taking one step at a time and 

18 we're just finishing up bits and pieces with Nevada 

19 Test Site. Still just a few Site Profile issues. 

20 Fernald, a few Site Profile issues, and the Pantex. 

21 That's it.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, 

2 Brad. Does Stu or Jim Neton, do you have any 

3 comments on?

4 MR. NETON: Well, no, not really. I 

5 think you do have to consider the situation of each 

6 site on these neutron studies to determine what it 

7 is. So there may be some methods that are 

8 applicable to more than one site, but, yes, we think 

9 we have a solution for Pantex that we're moving 

10 forward with.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Great. Any 

12 other Work Group reports?

13 MEMBER VALERIO: Jim, this is Loretta.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Loretta.

15 MEMBER VALERIO: And my question is 

16 probably more for Dave, on the Ames Work Group and 

17 where we are with that? I thought we had we a 

18 meeting and I'm looking for my email right now, but 

19 my computer is very slow. I thought we had a 

20 meeting, a teleconference, coming up here fairly 

21 quickly.
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1 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: No. We will be 

2 scheduling one later on in the fall, but I don't 

3 -- we have not, we do not have one set up at this 

4 point. We're waiting on some reports from NIOSH. 

5 Actually, we're waiting for a couple of papers for 

6 the Site Profile. So there is nothing now 

7 scheduled.

8 MEMBER VALERIO: Okay. Maybe it was 

9 the White Papers I was thinking of.

10 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yes. Well, we'll 

11 be getting them soon and we should meet, we 

12 definitely will meet, sometime this fall by 

13 teleconference.

14 MEMBER VALERIO: Okay.

15 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay, thanks.

16 MEMBER VALERIO: Thank you.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other questions 

18 or updates? Okay. Thanks, everybody. The next 

19 item is our November 15th Board meeting.

20 MEMBER MUNN: 18th.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think Ted has 
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1 circulated a -- have you circulated a draft agenda 

2 to everybody?

3 MR. KATZ: No.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Circulated it to me. 

5 Okay.

6 MR. KATZ: Just to you. It's a very 

7 short circulation there.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. Do you want to 

9 --

10 MR. KATZ: Yes, I can. Let me just run 

11 through where we are right now with things. Right 

12 now, we have, first of all, in terms of I know that 

13 people are always wondering about location and all 

14 that. None of that can be even processed until 

15 we're in the new fiscal year. So we haven't made 

16 any headway there.

17 We're aiming for Oakland area, because 

18 I heard from one of the petitioner representatives 

19 who's recommended a lot of people in that area, that 

20 there are many retirees in that area and that would 

21 be convenient.
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1 But then I also have heard from Stu 

2 about Pleasanton, California, which is close to 

3 Livermore. And, I think, his contacts at ATL who 

4 deal with current workers, was suggesting that 

5 might be a good location to capture current workers 

6 in Livermore. So I decided to look into that as 

7 well. So that's all I have for you on location 

8 issues right now.

9 In terms of the schedule, right now, 

10 because we're not ready yet to sweep anything off 

11 the table, I have two full days. I have, yes, two 

12 quite full days. What we have on there, and then 

13 we have the usual, which I don't need to run over 

14 with you.

15 But we have to tell, as LaVon spoke of, so 

16 that -- and we also have on the first day, I have Idaho 

17 National Lab set up for first day. Whether or not 

18 that survives in its current form as a possible, it's 

19 a possible vote but, well, I think we'll have an update 

20 even if we don't, if we aren't prepared for a vote, 

21 unless it's suggested otherwise to me.
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1 We have an update at the end of the day on 

2 Lawrence Livermore, for people in the area there. 

3 And I think NIOSH was saying they'll be ready to 

4 present an update. It says a half hour for that 

5 before a public comment session, as we sort of 

6 normally do on location.

7 On Day 2 we have Blockson Chemical, which 

8 we'll be ready for. The residual period. I have 

9 Rocky Flats on there. One way or the other. We just 

10 discussed that.

11 We have also to close out the Dow Madison 

12 Site Profile Review. We've done most of that 

13 already, but there is some remaining matter Dr. Neton 

14 will cover. And then we have KCP petition, we hope 

15 to come to a vote to. And that covers 60 days, I 

16 think, other than the usual material.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. I think, as we 

18 indicated, we have an update on the Dose 

19 Reconstruction Review.

20 MR. KATZ: Oh, sorry. That, too.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: For those of you that 
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1 are on the SEC Review Work Group, we had dealt with 

2 some Dow Madison Site Profile issues of a couple 

3 months ago, actually. And we need to update the Board 

4 on those. So I put that on the agenda also.

5 MR. KATZ: Right. And also, in the 

6 general update from NIOSH, we'll hear about how things 

7 are going with the initial efforts to apply the new 

8 guidelines for coworker modeling. So that will be 

9 covered there.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, again, I think, we 

11 don't know where we'll be meeting, but I think 

12 everyone can plan on it's probably a two-day meeting.

13 MR. KATZ: Yes.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Unless a number of 

15 these fall through, and I don't imagine --

16 MEMBER CLAWSON: So, Jim, this is Brad. 

17 What was the dates on that again? I heard the 18th 

18 and --

19 MR. KATZ: Yes, Brad. It's November 18 

20 and 19.

21 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. I just wanted to 
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1 make sure I'd heard that right. Thanks.

2 MR. KATZ: That's right.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That's a Wednesday and 

4 a Thursday.

5 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay.

6 MEMBER ZIEMER: Hello, Jim, this is 

7 Ziemer. I have one question on your report on Dose 

8 Reconstruction Reviews. I have on my calendar a 

9 meeting scheduled for this Thursday. Has that been 

10 changed? Did I miss that?

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That's the Dose 

12 Reconstruction Review Committee. Mine's the -- I was 

13 talking about the methods issue.

14 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes. But earlier, when 

15 you mentioned Dose Reconstruction Reviews, you talked 

16 about the need to schedule a meeting. And I have one 

17 scheduled on Thursday. Did I --

18 MR. KATZ: Yes, yes. Paul, you have the 

19 Subcommittee is what is on Thursday.

20 MEMBER ZIEMER: Oh well, I wrote down some 

21 -- okay, yes, but not on that. I wrote the wrong --
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1 MR. KATZ: So it's not on that, right.

2 MEMBER ZIEMER: I wrote the wrong thing 

3 down. Okay, got you. Thank you.

4 MR. KATZ: That's okay. For the Appendix 

5 BB, I mean, do you want a stand-alone session or are 

6 you okay with handling that during the Work Group 

7 updates?

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think we need to see 

9 where we are at the end of our Work Group meeting, Ted.

10 MR. KATZ: Okay.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And then that would 

12 fall in with the Dow Madison Site Profile update, 

13 wouldn't it? I mean, it would be a similar --

14 MR. KATZ: Right, yes. It's similar. 

15 It's similar. I mean, they've already --

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: So a stand-alone session is 

18 what you're suggesting, Jim?

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. Maybe we combine 

20 those in some way, if it's --

21 MEMBER ZIEMER: I think we need to see 
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1 where we are and when the Work Group meets.

2 MR. KATZ: Yes, right.

3 MEMBER ZIEMER: If there's any issues 

4 that are going to require more time than otherwise 

5 expected.

6 MR. KATZ: Yes, okay. Good, thanks. 

7 That's helpful.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. And we need to 

9 reschedule the July 2016 Board meeting, which is my 

10 fault because I didn't realize I had a conflict. Or 

11 I thought the conflict was going to go away and it's 

12 not, for the dates that we chose. So we need -- and, 

13 Ted, you had --

14 MR. KATZ: Yes. So I sent out three 

15 different weeks of candidates, because we'd already 

16 covered some when we met as to what was suitable when 

17 we met in July. But, everyone, if you want to look 

18 at your calendars. I only heard back from Wanda, but 

19 I didn't really expect anyone to send me anything 

20 back.

21 So we're looking at your calendars for 
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1 July of 2016. And an earlier week that we hadn't 

2 talked about is the week of the 11th, 11th through the 

3 15th. And if that doesn't do, the first two weeks in 

4 August. The week of August 1 and the week of August

5 8.

6 So that's sort of the ballpark of where we 

7 want to be. Why don't we start with the week of July 

8 11 and folks chime in if that week does not work for 

9 you?

10 MEMBER FIELD: Yes, this is Bill Field. 

11 That doesn't work for me.

12 MR. KATZ: Does not work, okay.

13 MEMBER FIELD: No.

14 MR. KATZ: Let's just move on then. How 

15 about the week of August 1?

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Jim, I've got a 

17 conflict right in the middle of the week. It's 

18 another NIOSH meeting on August 3rd. So it somewhat 

19 depends on how long our meeting was and what days we 

20 met.

21 MR. KATZ: Yes. Yes, that's kind of 
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1 tough, though, for you, I think. What about the week 

2 of August 8?

3 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave. I can do it, 

4 but by getting toward the middle of August gets really 

5 hard. There will be family and vacation plans that 

6 it will begin to impinge upon. So I definitely can 

7 make a meeting that week, so let's be clear. But on 

8 the other hand, of the three weeks, that is the least 

9 preferable.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: But does anybody have a 

11 conflict that week, I think is the question.

12 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Right. And I have no 

13 conflict.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

15 MR. KATZ: Okay. Well, hearing no 

16 conflicts for that week, then why don't we plan for 

17 the 9th and 10th. That's the middle of that week. 

18 That's a Tuesday and Wednesday. But lately we 

19 haven't needed a three-day meeting and I'm just 

20 assuming we probably won't. So anyone want to --

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We could suggest some 
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1 locations where we would like a three-day meeting.

2 MR. KATZ: I could think of lots of 

3 places.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

5 MR. KATZ: Yes, okay. But I think we're 

6 more likely to be a two-day meeting. And who can 

7 predict that far ahead, but --

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Right.

9 MR. KATZ: Three days is unlikely.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Okay. So let's say the 9th and 

12 10th of August.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. That's ends our 

14 formal business for this meeting. And we will, I 

15 guess, reconvene in some place in the Oakland area in 

16 the end of November for our next meeting.

17 MR. KATZ: Right.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And I guess we'll 

19 expect to hear more on locations and so forth from Ted 

20 or Zaida sometime after the October 1st.

21 MR. KATZ: Yes. It'll probably be 
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1 mid-October before we're getting a sense.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. And we also have 

3 the -- well, but we generally know the location we're 

4 aiming for and --

5 MR. KATZ: Right. It'll be in 

6 California.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And assuming that the 

8 government stays open, maybe by sometime in October, 

9 we'll know.

10 MR. KATZ: Yes.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: But they don't have you 

12 doing contingency planning or anything on a shutdown, 

13 do they, Ted?

14 MR. KATZ: They do, actually.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Oh, okay. So, let's 

16 see. Anybody with Work Group meetings in early 

17 October, just be aware of that.

18 MR. KATZ: Right.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That's scheduled. 

20 Anyway, thanks, everybody, and as I said, we'll see 

21 you in November, if not before. Thanks.
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1 MR. KATZ: Thanks, all.

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