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US Department of Health and Human Services

Centers for Disease Control

National Institute for Occupational Safety and 

Health

Advisory Board on Radiation and Worker Health

144th Meeting

Wednesday, February 16, 2022

The meeting convened via Video Teleconference at 

11:00 a.m. EST, Henry A. Anderson, Chair, presiding.
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Members Present: 

Henry A. Anderson, Chair

Josie Beach, Member

Bradley P. Clawson, Member

R. William Field, Member

David Kotelchuck, Member

James E. Lockey, Member

Genevieve S. Roessler, Member

Phillip Schofield, Member

Loretta Valerio, Member

Paul L. Ziemer, Member

Also Present: 

Roberts, Rashaun, Designated Federal Official

Adams, Nancy, NIOSH Contractor

Barrie, Terrie, ANWAG

Barton, Bob, SC&A

Behling, Kathleen, SC&A

Black, Finn, SC&A

Buchanan, Ron, SC&A

Burgos, Zaida, NIOSH

Calhoun, Grady, DCAS

Fitzgerald, Joe, SC&A

Gogliotti, Rose, SC&A

Mcgolerick, Robert, HHS OGC

Nelson, Chuck, ORAU Team

Rafky, Michael, HHS OGC

Rutherford, LaVon, DCAS

Taulbee, Tim, DCAS
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Contents

US Department of Health and Human Services 

Centers for Disease Control National Institute for 

Occupational Safety and Health Advisory Board on 

Radiation and Worker Health 144th Meeting 

Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1

Call to Order 4

Roll Call 4

Special Exposure Cohort (SEC) Petition Status 

Update 5

Updates from Work Groups and 

Subcommittees 14

Dose Reconstruction 14

URAWE 14

Procedures Subcommittee 14

Sandia 15

Rocky Flats 16

Savannah River 16

LANL 18

Plans for the April 2022 Board Meeting 19

Adjourn 25
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Proceedings

(11:00 a.m.)

Call to Order

Dr. Roberts: Good morning, everybody.

It's time for me to officially open this meeting. 

Welcome.

I'm Rashaun Roberts. I'm the DFO for the Advisory 

Board on Radiation and Worker Health.

Let me just get through a couple of preliminaries for 

the meeting.

The agenda is posted on the NIOSH website under 

the schedule of meetings for February, and you can 

go to the website to access it, if you need to.

Since this is purely a telephonic meeting, we need to 

kind of keep things moving forward without 

interruption. And I would ask each of you to please 

mute your phone, unless, obviously, you're speaking. 

So, if you don't have a mute button, press *6 to 

mute. To take yourself off, it's *6 again.

And because we'll be unable to see each other for the 

meeting, just identify yourself before comments or 

questions.

So, with that, I'd like to formally start, and then, get 

our roll call moving.

We don't need to address conflict of interest because 

this is more of an administrative meeting, primarily 

to prepare for our April 27th-to-28th Board meeting, 

which will be taking place virtually.

So, with that said, I'll start with roll call in 

alphabetical order.

Roll Call

(Roll call.)
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Dr. Roberts: Okay. Well, thank you, everyone. Again, 

welcome.

Let's go ahead and move into the agenda.

But, before that, I just want to remind everybody to 

make sure that you're on mute. You may periodically 

just need to check your phone in case it came off 

mute. Again, if there's no mute button, press *6, and 

*6 again to unmute.

So, with that, I'm going to turn the floor over to Andy, 

our Board Chair.

So, Andy, over to you.

Chair Anderson: Thank you, Rashaun.

I appreciated all the weather reports from around the 

country.

So, let's begin. Our first agenda item is Grady giving 

us an update on the Cybersecurity Modernization 

Initiative.

Grady?

Mr. Calhoun: Well, hi there. What I'd like to do, if it's 

okay, is just, could I pass the buck to Mr. Nelson first? 

Because he's got to go somewhere. And then, I'll go 

right after him, if that's okay.

Chair Anderson: That's fine. Go ahead, Chuck.

Mr. Calhoun: Okay.

Mr. Nelson: Thank you, Doctor.

Dr. Roberts: This is a special cohort petition status 

update, since we can't see it.

Go ahead.

Special Exposure Cohort (SEC) Petition Status 

Update

Mr. Nelson: Yes, thank you, Dr. Anderson.
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Good morning, everyone. I guess it's morning most 

places.

Yes, I'm going to give you an SEC update. It will be 

rather brief. I don't have a whole lot to report.

We will not be presenting any SEC petition 

evaluations at the April Board meeting. At this time, 

we also do not have any petitioners currently under 

evaluation and expect that the Work Group Chairs 

will provide updates today, as needed. Current, 

ongoing SEC petitions with the Advisory Board.

That's pretty much all I had to report today, which is 

not much of anything.

And are there any questions?

Chair Anderson: Just, Chuck, a quick question. When 

was the last time a new petition was received?

Mr. Nelson: That would have been the Pinellas 

petition. I believe that was the last one --

Chair Anderson: Okay.

Mr. Nelson: -- if I'm not mistaken.

Chair Anderson: Any other questions or comments?

Okay. We'll go back to Grady then.

Mr. Calhoun: All right. Thank you for indulging me on 

that one.

Basically, we continue to work on our short-term 

methods to get dose reconstructions out, as well as 

enable people to work on SEC petition evaluations. 

So, those are our top priorities.

What we're getting done as far as dose reconstruction 

reports, you may remember that, at previous Board 

meetings, I used to -- and even at the last one, I 

showed what we call "age of cases." And basically, 

what we do is we track how long a dose 

reconstruction resides in DCAS from the time it's 
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received from the Department of Labor until the time 

the draft dose reconstruction goes out to the 

claimants.

And so, our goal has always been to -- well, at least 

in the last five years or so -- has been to get dose 

reconstructions completed, approved, and sent to the 

claimants within five months of receiving the last bit 

of data. And the last bit of data that's required could 

be dosimetry data from the Department of Energy. It 

could be a clarification from the Department of Labor, 

or it could be getting the claimant interviews 

completed.

And what we've seen is that, when the pause started, 

we had a fairly significant rise in the number, in the 

age of those cases. It started, if you look at the 

background, May of 2021. Those cases, the residence 

time of the cases in our shop, the number of cases 

rose significantly. And then, right around October, it 

started going down, and that's pretty much because 

we started getting the manual processes in place, but 

there's still enough to get cases out the door.

And so, we're to the point now where we're pretty 

much back to where we were prior to the pause. So, 

we have very, very few cases that exceed five

months in our area after the last dose reconstruction 

has been done. So, that's good news.

And we're continuing to make progress on that. There 

really is no longer any kind of a, quote, "backlog" of 

cases. So, we're getting the cases done at a slightly 

higher rate than we're getting them in, overall, and 

ORAU is working hard to increase that production as 

they can. But we're getting to the point where we will 

run out of workable cases because we don't have 

enough data, and that's a good thing. That's where

we want to be.

So, that's where we are with dose reconstructions, 

and we continue to process the expedited claims, as 

we have ever since the beginning of the pause. So, 

that's not been an issue.
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We're still managing to get information into the 

secure area for the Advisory Board and SC&A to 

review. We're doing that on a case-by-case basis, as 

you guys request it. And that seems to be going fairly 

well. I know that we've got big chunks of data from 

a few of the sites in there, so that we can look at 

information to evaluate SECs. And that's how it's 

going to continue for a while.

So, as the Board needs that information, we'll dump 

that into the virtual volume or secure space. And 

that's usually done through Lori Marion-Moss. I think 

that she's working really well with you guys. So, 

that's how that's going so far.

And we're also getting users access to this virtual 

volume, as requested. So, people from SC&A and the 

Advisory Board are getting access to that. And we're 

going to continue with that, try to get you guys 

everything you need as quickly as we can get it to 

you.

From a long-term standpoint, we're still documenting 

our, quote, "needs" for what we need to replace what 

was NOCTS and all of the applications that were 

associated with that. So, that's still in the 

documentation stage. I don't foresee us getting 

anything like NOCTS for a very long time, but we're 

still able to get through as we can. So, that's where 

we are with that at this point.

And I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone has.

Chair Anderson: Just a quick question. Is there a 

timeline for this?

Mr. Calhoun: No. If you're talking about the long 

term, there's no --

Chair Anderson: I mean, we know when it started, 

but I would hope that they have at least a 

presumptive timeline of when things will start to 

come online. Is it going to be a stepwise thing? Or is 

it going to be you don't get anything until you flip the 
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switch and it all (audio interference)?

Mr. Calhoun: No. What we're doing in this, what we'll 

call, the short-term applications is we are doing that 

in stepwise fashion. So, we're trying to add 

functionality as we can to try to get things done in a 

more automated fashion.

As far as the long-term plans go, the documentation 

that I referred to is a step. Our ODIT group needs 

documentation, basically, so that somebody who 

wasn't associated with the program could look at this 

documentation and decide what we need.

So, once they get that information compiled, then 

they make a decision on, do we buy an application 

that can do everything we do? Do we build a custom 

application that can do everything we do? Or do we 

just hold on?

Well, obviously, we're not going to hold on because 

that's not acceptable. So, there's going to have to be 

a determination of whether we build that application 

or buy an application. And right now, it seems like 

there's not going to be anything commercially 

available for us. So, we're going to have to build an 

application. So, once the documentation gets 

complete, ODIT will be involved in making that 

determination on building or buying, and then, we 

will get more a definitive schedule, I hope.

Chair Anderson: Okay. I guess, any other questions 

for Board members?

If not, I have a question for Board members of how 

has it been going? I know I want to thank Rose for 

the trainings that she's done to get us kind of the 

short-term access issues. I want to know, how has 

that been working?

Member Beach: Henry, this is Josie. This is Josie.

I was going to say this during our next section on 

Subcommittees and Work Group announcements.
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But we met yesterday. And if you have access to 

virtual volumes, if you're able to move through it, it 

actually is not a bad system. You can go in and copy 

and put things into your own folder, so you can go 

back at any time and review things.

So, for me, personally, with the Subcommittee for 

Procedures, Lori has worked really well with us, and 

Kathy, putting what we need. I mean, we were asking 

for things yesterday. So far, it's working fine. You 

have to know what to ask for, though, I'm assuming.

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Member Beach: So, once you have access, you can 

move through it fairly easily.

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Member Beach: So, I'm happy with it so far, yes.

Chair Anderson: Yes, I got in and did a little bit. It 

will take a while, at least for me, to really make it 

work. More, I think, it's a problem on CDC computer. 

Still working on getting things updated.

Member Beach: Yes, that is definitely an issue if it's 

not.

Chair Anderson: Any other Committee Chairs have 

had a need to get in and look at things?

Member Kotelchuck: Well, for the Dose 

Reconstruction Reviews, Rose has been really very 

helpful, and we can get access and the trainings that 

she gave were excellent. So, I think we're in good 

shape --

Chair Anderson: Okay. Good.

Member Kotelchuck: -- for our Subcommittee.

Member Clawson: This is Brad. I do have one 

question, though, Andy.

You know, these computers and stuff that we got 
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years ago, with all the new updates and everything 

coming out, I am seeing that my computer is not 

functioning as well as it should. Are they looking into, 

because of all these new requirements and 

everything else like that, are they looking at maybe 

updating these computers?

I guess that would be a question for you, Rashaun.

Dr. Roberts: Yes, that's a good question. I know, for 

those of us who are FTEs, we periodically get updated 

computers. We get our computers replaced with new 

ones. I'm not completely sure about this.

Zaida, are you on? Are you able to shed any light on 

computer replacement?

Okay. She's not there, but that's something that 

(audio interference).

Can you hear me?

Member Clawson: And the reason that I brought this 

up (audio interference.)

Somebody's having a little trouble there.

The reason I brought this up is because every time 

I've gone to get my security badge, and stuff like 

that, I always tie into the network system and go 

forth through there. And the individuals that have 

been helping me with that have been telling me that 

we need to request a newer version of our computers 

because they're just not -- they can't function right. 

They're not -- they don't have the capabilities that 

are now being required of it.

So, I just thought I'd put that into your ear to think 

about. Because, especially when this system gets up 

and running, it is going to even need more than we're 

capable of doing now.

Dr. Roberts: Right. Yes. So, yes, just be in touch. I 

know that other Board members have recently 

replaced their computers. So, if you are having 
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trouble, get in contact with me and Zaida and we can 

go from there.

Member Clawson: Okay. That sounds good. Thanks. 

Yes.

Member Kotelchuck: I'm Dave. I'm happy to report 

that -- I was unhappy to report that my old computer 

crashed, but CDC sent me a new one and things are 

working well. So, if you have a list of folks who are 

having troubles, maybe they can at least replace 

those. Folks like me are in good shape.

Member Clawson: Well, all of this, I know that Josie, 

myself, and everything else like that, we got 

computers several years ago. But what I'm seeing, 

as I'm talking with the individuals, that these don't 

have the capabilities of what are going to be required 

of them. So, you know, that's something that we may 

want to look at, Rashaun, and I'll get with you and 

we'll go from there.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Great.

Member Beach: Well, this is Josie.

I was going to check -- sorry, Rashaun. I was going 

to say, typically, our replacement comes when they 

crash. There's no schedule for it. If it stops working, 

then we send it in. These are not the best --

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Yes. Okay. Well, then, let me just 

reiterate, if you are having trouble, just follow up 

with me and Zaida and we can work on it with you.

Member Clawson: Okay. Sounds good. Thank you.

Chair Anderson: Any other questions/comments 

people have?

We can move into the Work Groups/Subcommittees 

reports.

Ms. Gogliotti: Andy, this is Rose.

Chair Anderson: Yes?
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Ms. Gogliotti: Is there some value in me continuing 

doing the training before meetings? I'm happy to do 

it. And I know I've been doing them about a week 

before all the meetings.

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Ms. Gogliotti: Do people find that beneficial? Do 

people know how to use it now, all that stuff?

Chair Anderson: Well, it certainly was for me, and I 

appreciated that. Now that I have the hard copy of 

the directions, I don't have to try to -- I forget various 

steps.

So, I don't know. How do others feel? Has everybody 

gone through the training?

Member Clawson: No, I haven't, but -- this is Brad -

- I haven't, but I've been able, I've got in once or 

twice before, but I just need to sit down with Rose. 

She has offered to give me some help there. So, I'll 

take care of that.

Member Beach: Yes, Rose, this is Josie.

I would say maybe on a one-on-one basis is where 

you're at possibly. It's very helpful, though.

Ms. Gogliotti: Okay. I would be pleased -- if you need 

help, don't hesitate to reach out to me.

Member Ziemer: This is Ziemer.

Can you remind us what is covered in the training?

Ms. Gogliotti: I go over how to access files in the 

portal, as well as just how to access the portal in 

general, and troubleshooting, best practices.

Member Beach: One of the big things for me, Paul, 

was making sure my computer was ready to go that 

direction, also, because there's some new changes 

that you have to -- the Zscaler, or things like that, 

they weren't intuitive. But now, they are. So, just 

things like that.
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Member Ziemer: Right. Thank you.

Member Clawson: A hard copy would be handy, you 

know, if the computer would get it updated.

Chair Anderson: Okay. Rose, I think we'll wait for 

people to, hopefully, call and let you know what they 

need. I think if you're sort of standby-ready before 

meetings, when people may be going back in to try 

to be sure they have looked over the documents that 

we're going to be reviewing and talking about.

Ms. Gogliotti: Okay. Sounds good.

Updates from Work Groups and Subcommittees

Chair Anderson: Any Work Group updates? 

Subcommittees?

Dose Reconstruction

Member Kotelchuck: Again, on Dose Reconstruction 

-- Dave -- and Dose Reconstruction Reviews, we're 

fine. We have a scheduled meeting coming up on 

April 20th, before our Board meeting. And we're 

going to be reviewing, also, Rose's SC&A document 

on summary dose reconstruction information.

So, possibly, we will have something to report to the 

Board the next week regarding that, regarding some 

ways to change the selection or improve the selection 

process by focusing a little bit more on certain plants 

or sites. So, we will be meeting on the 20th, and 

possibly -- possibly -- give a short report during our 

Board meeting.

URAWE

Chair Anderson: Okay. And I can report on the 

URAWE group. We have a review of the Reduction 

Pilot Plant tomorrow. So, Members, don't forget to go 

into that one. That will be a Zoom meeting, I believe.

Procedures Subcommittee

Member Beach: Andy, this is Josie.
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The Procedures Work Group or Subcommittee met 

yesterday. We had a full agenda, and we did not 

make it through our full agenda at the end of the day. 

So, we do have some topics for the next meeting. 

We'll be scheduling that fairly soon.

And we have seven I believe we're going to continue 

on reporting to the full Board the closed-out 

procedures that the Subcommittee has closed out in 

our meeting. So, we will prepare seven to present to 

the Board in April.

Chair Anderson: So, you'll have another meeting 

before the April?

Member Beach: No. Well, I'm not sure. We ran out of 

time. Rashaun will be sending out a list for dates. And 

probably in the next two to three months we'll have 

another meeting, just to continue on.

Chair Anderson: Okay. We'll talk more about the 

agenda for April, but if you have things that are 

getting near completion, it would be nice if we could. 

I think we'll have time to be able to review a lot of 

your things and move them forward.

Member Beach: Okay. I think we earmarked seven. 

So, I don't know that we'd want to do any more than 

that. But we could certainly talk about it, if there's 

extra time.

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Other groups?

Sandia is scheduled again, and I think LANL as well, 

Work Groups.

Sandia

Member Beach: I haven't seen anything come 

through for Sandia. Are we expecting that? That's 

coming right up, I think March 3rd.

Chair Anderson: Yes.
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Rocky Flats

Member Kotelchuck: Dave again.

We recently got an updated PER for Rocky Flats. I 

assume that our Work Group -- we haven't scheduled 

a meeting, but I assume our Work Group needs to 

meet and talk about that, right? The Rocky Flats 

Working Group. Is that correct?

Dr. Roberts: Sure. Dave, this is Rashaun. I can --

Mr. Barton: Yes, this is Bob with SC&A. I'm sorry, go 

ahead.

Dr. Roberts: No, go ahead, Bob.

Mr. Barton: I was just going to say I think, Dr. 

Kotelchuck, you're referring to -- we did a review of 

the most recent TBD which was released recently.

Member Kotelchuck: Oh, yes. Right, right.

Mr. Barton: So, it would probably be appropriate for 

the Rocky Flats Work Group to meet and discuss that. 

And I don't think there's anything too contentious in 

that review. I think it can probably close out a lot of 

the issues pretty easily. But I do think it would be 

appropriate, when available, to schedule a Work 

Group meeting, Rocky Flats.

Member Kotelchuck: Okay. Very good. Well, then, for 

folks in the Work Group, we'll be scheduling, I'll be 

scheduling that. I'll talk with Rashaun and we'll be 

scheduling something in the near future, probably 

after the April Board meeting.

Savannah River

Member Clawson: Sounds good.

Hey, this is Brad.

Bob, while you're on the phone, so where are you at 

with that report that you were doing for Savannah 

River? I got notified that it was in the process.
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Mr. Barton: Yes, that's correct, Brad. Well, right now, 

we have sent it off to DOE for their signoff on 

classification reviews, and all that jazz. And we're 

sort of beholden to their workload and when they can 

get it back to us. But, essentially, right now, the 

report is essentially finished.

I'm not sure if Joe's on the line and wants to 

comment on this, but we're just getting the next 

steps, like the 508 compliance, and obviously, 

getting it cleared through DOE and getting our 

presentations together. So, you should be hearing on 

that pretty soon, definitely before the April meeting; 

that's for sure.

Member Clawson: Okay.

Mr. Barton: I'm hoping, basically, in the next couple 

of weeks we'd have that ready for you all to review.

Member Clawson: Okay.

Chair Anderson: Other Committees?

Member Beach: Can we go back to Sandia really 

quick? That meeting is on March 3rd. Is there some 

documents coming out for that meeting?

Mr. Barton: I know we're still working on getting our 

presentations for that meeting -- again, compliance 

for posting on the website.

The report, though, the last report from us was 

actually from back in January. There might be an 

"official use only" copy, because I believe, again, 

we're still trying to get the report in a publicly 

available posting with all the (audio interference) --

Member Beach: Good.

Mr. Barton: -- which is very complex these days. Our 

report, I believe, went out January 10th, or 

somewhere around that date.

Member Beach: Oh, okay.
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Mr. Fitzgerald: Yes, Josie, this is --

Member Beach: Oh, go ahead.

Mr. Fitzgerald: Yes, Josie, Joe Fitzgerald.

Yes, that's correct. I mean, the report's done. It just 

needs to be posted, and the presentation material is 

going to be ready. So, we'll be prepared.

Member Beach: Okay. I was just wondering if that 

was something that could be put into the virtual 

volume, so we could look at that ahead of time.

Mr. Fitzgerald: Possibly. I guess the mechanics -- we 

can certainly check into that.

Member Beach: Okay. That would be helpful. Thank 

you, Joe and Bob.

I can talk about LANL, Andy, if that's okay.

Chair Anderson: Yes, go ahead.

LANL

Member Beach: We have two reports that are 

coming. We have one report out, and the second one 

for LANL, I believe that should be out very soon. And 

we have a Work Group meeting scheduled for March 

23rd for NIOSH to present the two reports, and then, 

the tasking will go to SC&A. So, it's more of an 

informational Work Group meeting.

I don't think those have posted, either, to the virtual 

volumes, have they? Is LaVon on?

Mr. Rutherford: Yes, I'm on.

Yes, actually, we can get those in the virtual volume. 

I think 102, the report that was released, is in the 

virtual volume, and I can make sure it's available to 

the Work Group.

101, we just completed another PI review because 

we made some edits. And it's ready to go out. It 
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should be any day available to the Work Group, and 

then, posted on the web. But I will make sure both 

reports get in there. And as soon as our presentations 

are done, my presentations are done, we'll get those 

in as well.

Member Beach: Okay. Thank you.

Chair Anderson: Rashaun, is there a comprehensive 

calendar of all of the meetings and things 

somewhere?

Dr. Roberts: Yes, I keep that. I do keep that --

Chair Anderson: Yes, but, I mean, for --

Dr. Roberts: I send that to Zaida, who sends out the 

meeting notifications for everybody.

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Dr. Roberts: But, yes, I keep a schedule.

Chair Anderson: Okay. Other Work Groups?

Rashaun, any other updates?

Dr. Roberts: Not in terms of Work Groups from me, 

but we can talk about planning the April 27th-to-28th 

meeting, if you're done with this section.

Chair Anderson: Any other comments or questions I 

have on the Work Groups?

Okay. Well, let's talk about April.

Plans for the April 2022 Board Meeting

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Great.

So I wanted to let everybody know that we are due 

for our annual ethics training for the full Board. And 

so, I am in the process of working with the ethics 

folks to try to arrange whether or not the sessions 

can occur on April 27th or April 28th. Typically, we 

do that around 11:00 a.m. Eastern, but I'll be in 
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touch about that training session. But I did just want 

to give you all a heads-up that we will be doing the 

ethics session ahead of one of those sessions on the 

27th or the 28th.

So, in terms of agenda items, we'll have the standard 

opening of the meeting; a program update from 

Grady, which I have slotted for 15 minutes.

But, Grady, does that sound about right to you?

Mr. Calhoun: Sorry, I had to get off mute.

Yes, I think that's fine.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. And, of course, we will have the 

DOL and DOE program updates to follow that.

Then, Josie, I have that we need to put an item on 

for Procedures review finalization document 

approval. And yesterday, I heard that you needed 

about 75 to maybe 90 minutes for that.

Member Beach: Correct. Correct.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. So, that's still the case.

And, Dave, there will be an item for the 

Subcommittee on Dose Reconstruction review. How 

much time do you think you would need for that?

Dave? Okay, Dave, I'm not sure if you're on mute.

Member Kotelchuck: Sorry. I'm sorry, I was on mute. 

I didn't realize.

Yes, I would say 15 or 20 minutes. That's just a brief 

update.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. So, 15 or 20 minutes. Great.

Also, there is a placeholder for SEC petition status 

update. It doesn't sound like there's going to be a lot 

there, but, Grady or LaVon, if you could let me know 

if 15 minutes --
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Mr. Calhoun: Yes, 15 minutes will be plenty of time, 

yes, I'm sure.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Okay. Perfect.

Then, we have some upcoming Work Group 

meetings, as has been mentioned. And I'm assuming 

that we will need to add updates to the agenda for 

URAWE for the Reduction Pilot Plant, Sandia, and 

also, LANL, I have down. And it may just be hard to 

determine at this point how much time we would 

need for that. But if any of the Chairs for those Work 

Groups have some general sense of how long we 

would need, it would be great to get that information.

Chair Anderson: We should have that shortly after 

the meetings.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Yes. The problem with the 

meetings that are occurring a little bit later is that 

we'll be beyond the FRN notice. So, what I can do is 

just maybe schedule a 30-minute window, or 

something, for those? Thirty to 45 minutes?

Chair Anderson: We'll certainly have something for 

the Reduction Plant, I would assume.

Dr. Roberts: Yes, that's fine.

Chair Anderson: And that's tomorrow. So, that ought 

to give plenty of lead time. Now, LANL, I'm not sure. 

That's going to be pretty close.

Dr. Roberts: Josie, do you have any --

Chair Anderson: Yes, I think schedule it; put in some 

time. Then, we can always adjust that time.

Dr. Roberts: Right. Exactly. Okay. So, I was thinking 

maybe 30 to 45 minutes for each Work Group update.

And then, of course, we have an hour for the Board 

work session. That's typically the amount of time we 

do for that.

And then, we will have a public comment period 
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that's an hour on the first day.

Chair Anderson: Rashaun, I think I heard you say 

earlier that this is going to be virtual?

Dr. Roberts: Yes, it's going to be virtual. And the 

reason is that, you know, when we were in January, 

which is when we would have started to need to 

identify hotels and set up contracts, and things like 

that, COVID cases were on the upswing, and we just 

weren't completely certain if we would be seeing a 

downward trend, which we have been seeing. But, 

because we've kind of missed that window for getting 

contracts and things in place for an in-person 

meeting, this will be virtual.

Chair Anderson: Okay.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Great.

So are there any items that I missed that people 

think should be included on the agenda?

Okay. Great. Well, hearing none, I think that does it 

for this portion.

Ms. Adams: Rashaun, this is Nancy.

Dr. Roberts: Yes, mm-hmm?

Ms. Adams: Zaida emailed me. She tried to respond 

to the question about the computer replacement, 

but, for whatever reason, nobody could hear her.

The Board, if they are having problems with their 

computers, to call the IT help desk. And then if the 

IT help desk can't help, then they will send a 

replacement. So that's the process.

Dr. Roberts: Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you, Nancy, 

for clarifying that.

Chair Anderson: Okay. Any other comments, 

questions?

Too bad we aren't going to be able to meet face-to-
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face in April, but, hopefully, the next one will come 

up and we'll be in better shape.

Member Ziemer: Andy, this is Paul. Could I ask one 

question?

Chair Anderson: Yes.

Member Ziemer: I don't know who to direct this to; 

maybe to Nancy, while she's on the phone.

Do we have any information on progress on the 

appointment of new members to the Board?

Ms. Adams: Rashaun, do you want to respond to 

that?

Dr. Roberts: Sure. I don't have any particular update 

for that, except to say that the nomination package 

is making its way through the system to the White 

House for approval. But I don't know that I can shed 

any more information than that.

Member Ziemer: Okay.

Ms. Adams: That's all the information I have as well.

Member Ziemer: Yes. Right. I just wondered if there 

was any indication that something will occur in the 

foreseeable future. Okay. Thank you.

Member Clawson: Hang in there, Paul.

(Laughter.)

Member Ziemer: Well, I think we all are hanging in 

there, but, you know, it would be useful to have some 

additional new blood to come in and get underway.

Member Clawson: I agree fully with you, Paul.

Chair Anderson: I don't know if there's anything we 

can do to push it along.

Member Ziemer: No, I don't think that's our job, to 

push it along. I was just wondering if we knew where 
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things stood; that's all. Thanks.

Chair Anderson: Okay. Any other issues or comments 

people want to make?

If not, I look forward to hearing how the Work Group 

meetings go next.

And I would accept a recommendation to adjourn.

Member Kotelchuck: So moved. This is Dave.

Member Ziemer: Adjourn.

Chair Anderson: Okay. With that, then, I thank 

everybody and look forward to seeing everybody 

face-to-face on April 27th-28th. Hopefully, we'll hear 

soon about when the training will be, so we can be 

sure everybody is available.

Rashaun, any last comments?

Dr. Roberts: No, I don't have anything additionally.

And, you know, I will be in touch with folks about the 

ethics training as soon as we can get that situated 

with the attorney and CDC Ethics.

And we'll also be in touch with the Work Group Chairs 

who mentioned that they'd like to schedule meetings, 

too, to get that underway -- if not this week, next 

week.

Chair Anderson: So, Rashaun, any update on the 

vaccination issues? Has everybody --

Dr. Roberts: No.

Chair Anderson: -- turned in their information or is 

that still required?

Dr. Roberts: I think almost all submitted it, and I 

haven't received any additional follow-ups regarding 

that. So I think we're good to go. There's nothing 

additional needed at this time.
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Chair Anderson: Okay. Thank you.

Member Lockey: Rashaun, hey, Rashaun, Jim 

Lockey.

Are they going to require a booster soon? Or what is 

the status on that?

Dr. Roberts: Not that I am aware of. I haven't been 

notified that people will be required to have that.

Member Lockey: Okay. Thank you.

Dr. Roberts: Sure.

Adjourn

Chair Anderson: Okay. We stand adjourned.

(Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went off the 

record at 11:47 a.m.)