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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL

SAFETY AND HEALTH

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ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION AND

WORKER HEALTH

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97th MEETING

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WEDNESDAY

MARCH 19, 2014

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The meeting convened at 11:00 a.m., 

Eastern Daylight Time, via telephone, James M. 

Melius, Chairman, presiding.

PRESENT:

JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman

HENRY ANDERSON, Member

JOSIE BEACH, Member

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON, Member

R. WILLIAM FIELD, Member

DAVID KOTELCHUCK, Member

WANDA I. MUNN, Member

DAVID B. RICHARDSON, Member

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER, Member

PHILLIP SCHOFIELD, Member
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LORETTA R. VALERIO, Member

PAUL L. ZIEMER, Member

TED KATZ, Designated Federal Official

REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS

ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH Contractor

AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE

BEHLING, HANS, SC&A

BEHLING, KATHY, SC&A

FITZGERALD, JOE, SC&A

HARTSFIELD, DEKEELY, HHS

HINNEFELD, STU, NIOSH

KINMAN, JOSH, DCAS

NETON, JIM, DCAS

PROVECCHIO, JOE, SC&A

RUTHERFORD, LaVON, NIOSH

STIVER, JOHN, SC&A
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TABLE OF CONTENTS

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Roll Call, TED KATZ, DFO .................. 4

Welcome, JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman ....... 5

Recording Absentee Vote (Joslyn ........... 5

Manuf. & Supply Co. SEC petition),

TED KATZ, DFO

Tasking Procedure Reviews - WANDA MUNN, ... 6

Chair, Procedures Review Subcommittee

SEC Petition Status Update, LaVON ........ 13

RUTHERFORD 

Updates from Work Groups and . ........... 14

Subcommittees (as necessary)

Plans for the April and July 2014 ........ 19

Board Meetings - All Members
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2 11:01 a.m.

3 MR. KATZ: So, welcome, everyone, to 

4 the Advisory Board on Radiation and Worker 

5 Health teleconference. And we are about to do 

6 a roll call.

7 Let me say, it’s largely 

8 administrative what we are dealing with today. 

9 We do have one activity related to some sites, 

10 but none of the sites relate to any of the Board 

11 Members conflict of interest. So, I’m not 

12 going to run through conflict of interest for 

13 the Board relating to the matters we are talking 

14 about today.

15 And for folks listening in on the 

16 line, there’s the agenda for the Board meeting 

17 on the NIOSH website, under Board Section, for 

18 Meetings, for today’s date, so you can see the 

19 agenda if you want to follow along.

20 Okay. Roll call.
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1 (Roll Call.)

2 MR. KATZ: Okay, that covers the roll 

3 call, and let me remind everyone to mute your 

4 phone except when you are talking. If you 

5 don’t have a mute button, press *6 to mute your 

6 phone. Press *6 again to take it off of mute.

7 Dr. Melius, it’s your meeting.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, Ted.

9 The first issue on the agenda is 

10 recording absentee votes.

11 MR. KATZ: Right, thank you. At the 

last meeting, January 28th 12 Board Meeting, the 

13 Board voted, in concurrence with a 

14 recommendation from NIOSH, to add another seven 

15 months to the Joslyn SEC. 

16 And one Member, Dr. Lemen, was absent 

17 for that. He recorded his vote, on February 

1st 18 , in the affirmative. So, that was a 

19 unanimous vote by the Board to add that SEC 

20 Class.
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1 And that covers absentee votes.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. That 

3 package is about ready to go up to HHS. Or 

4 already has, I think. So, good.

5 Okay. The next item I have on the 

6 agenda is the tasking Procedure Reviews.

7 So, Wanda? Wanda, are you there?

8 MEMBER MUNN: Oh, yeah, I am. Hold on 

9 just a moment. Any report that I make is going 

10 to be brief and cursory. I don’t have access 

11 to either my equipment or to my files. And so 

12 I’m going to be very brief in things that I say, 

13 especially since the equipment I do have is not 

14 responding well either. Hold on just a moment.

15 We have, as most of you are aware, in 

16 the Procedures Subcommittee, been most 

17 recently involved in a great meeting of the 

18 Procedures Review that involved PERs. And one 

19 of the primary things that we need to keep track 

20 of on a regular basis is what PERs have been 
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1 issued, which ones are available for us to 

2 assign to our contractor for review. And that 

3 is what we have been most recently involved in.

4 What we want to go through today is the 

5 list of procedures that we have chosen. To 

6 begin with, I want to make sure that all of the 

7 people here have seen what was posted on the 

8 web. The web has the list of what we have 

9 chosen to present to you, and it seems a waste 

10 of everyone’s time and effort for me to go 

11 through those individually, since they have 

12 been posted now for a while and you’re aware of 

13 the ones that we’ve chosen.

14 Can I get some reassurance from the 

15 folks that they have, in fact, gone through the 

16 list that we’ve chosen? There were only two, 

17 other than the ones that are shown here, that 

18 were being considered at the time. And those 

19 two, for various reasons, primarily, because 

20 they covered such a small clientele, were 
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1 rejected. Also the information, the type of 

2 claims that were covered by those two PERs are 

3 covered by others as well.

4 So, before I go on, I guess it would 

5 be helpful for me if I heard from a couple of 

6 the other Members who are present that they 

7 have, in fact, taken a look at those.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: This is Jim. I have 

9 reviewed it, and have the summary. You have a 

10 summary table, and then the individuals one 

11 that were sent out.

12 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, that is correct.

13 MEMBER FIELD: Wanda, this is Bill. 

14 I’ve taken a look at it, too, so --

15 MEMBER MUNN: Good. Thank you.

16 MEMBER ROESSLER: This is Gen. I’ve 

17 looked at it.

18 MEMBER ANDERSON: So have I. This is 

19 Andy.

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1 then. I’m going to take it on faith that 

2 there’s no reason for me to go through these 

3 individually. You know which ones we were 

4 looking at, and you know which ones we are 

5 asking you to approve.

6 We are bringing these to you as the 

7 group that we would like to assign to SC&A to 

8 continue with their review, and to bring us the 

9 results. 

10 You have a motion from the 

11 Subcommittee for approval.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We have a motion from 

13 the Subcommittee, so I think we will go ahead 

14 with discussion. Again, for people who may not 

15 have the form in front of you. We’ll be 

16 recommending an SC&A review of the --

17 MEMBER MUNN: I can go through -- I can 

18 name them, if you’d like, for the record, as 

19 they are listed in our notations for the group 

20 today.
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1 PER-43, internal dosimetry organs, 

2 external dosimetry organs, and IREP model 

3 selections by ICD-9 code. PER-44, 

4 Metallurgical Laboratory. PER-45, Aliquippa 

5 Forge. PER-39, Perkins. PER-12 -- excuse me, 

6 PER-42, Linde Ceramics, Plant Technical Basis 

7 Document. And PER-41, revision to 

8 ORAU-OTIB-0006, which is dose reconstruction 

9 from occupational and medical X-ray 

10 procedures. And, PER-48, Wah Chang.

11 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: I wonder -- Dave. 

12 Could you explain, I don’t understand there are 

13 two of them, Baker Perkins, et cetera, that you 

14 say DRSC does not recommend. I don’t quite 

15 understand what that note means.

16 MEMBER MUNN: As I commented earlier, 

17 Dave, the reason we did not choose those is 

18 because there was such a small number of 

19 individuals involved, and in each case the type 

20 of activities that were involved here are well 
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1 covered in other types of PERs that we are 

2 looking at.

3 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay. Thanks.

4 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

5 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: And, Wanda, could 

6 you remind me, the pre-review, what’s the 

7 difference between a pre-review and a review?

8 MEMBER MUNN: Well, one of the reasons 

9 we ask for a pre-review from time to time, is 

10 if we have a situation where both the scope of 

11 the PER and the type of PER, either have been 

12 -- if there’s some question as to whether or not 

13 it would bring anything of value to us to have 

14 them reviewed. In other words, have they been, 

15 for some reason, scrutinized in other ways. Is 

16 there some reasons why it might not be worthy 

17 of the time of the folks involved to do so.

18 As you are well aware, we are very 

19 constricted in availability of personnel and 

20 time to do these things. We want to do the ones 
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1 that would most illuminate our process. And 

2 for that reason, sometimes a pre-review helps 

3 us get a response from the contractor as to 

4 whether or not they feel that these are things 

5 that should be brought to our attention, 

6 specifically.

7 If I have fouled that up, John, would 

8 you please correct me.

9 DR. STIVER: This is John Stiver. 

10 That’s a pretty good synopsis of the reason 

11 behind it.

12 MEMBER ZIEMER: This is Ziemer. Can I 

13 just make a comment?

14 MEMBER MUNN: Certainly.

15 MEMBER ZIEMER: I think what might have 

16 been confusing, and to respond to what Dave 

17 asked a minute ago, on PER-039 and PER-048, the 

18 notation that the DR Subcommittee does not 

19 recommend may have been confusing in terms of 

20 what we are recommending.
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1 MR. KATZ: Well, to clarify, if that’s 

2 unclear, it means that the DR Subcommittee, in 

3 their own discussions, did not -- not DR, 

4 actually. The Procedure Review Subcommittee 

5 did not feel like those two were worthwhile to 

6 have SC&A review.

7 MEMBER ZIEMER: Right. The confusion 

8 may have been that it sounds the motion was 

9 recommending all of these -- including the --

10 MEMBER MUNN: I’m sorry, my mistake. 

11 My recommendation is the list that is given, 

12 with the exception of Wah Chang and Baker 

13 Perkins.

14 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Very good, thank 

15 you.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, any further 

17 questions or discussion?

18 If not, all in favor say aye.

19 (Chorus of ayes.)

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Opposed?
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1 Any abstaining?

2 Okay. That is passed. 

3 Thank you, Wanda, despite being 

4 technologically impaired today, you did that 

5 very well.

6 So, the next item on our agenda is the 

7 SEC Petition status update.

8 LaVon?

9 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. Well, we really 

10 only plan to talk about two sites at the 

11 upcoming April Board Meeting. That’s Nuclear 

12 Metals, Inc., and that will be, basically, a 

13 continuation from a previous evaluation. 

14 We’ll be doing an addendum for that. It 

15 basically covers the period 1980 through 1990. 

16 And the other site we hope will be to 

17 close out Joslyn. We are working on the 

18 surrogate data justification for that now, and 

19 I think we have an upcoming Work Group meeting 

20 scheduled for Joslyn.
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1 MR. KATZ: We’re waiting to --

2 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay, we’re waiting 

3 until the surrogate data justification is 

4 complete.

5 Okay, but as soon as we have that 

6 complete, the Work Group can get scheduled and, 

7 hopefully, we can close that out.

8 So, at this time, the only two things 

9 that we plan to discuss from the SEC end is 

10 Nuclear Metals, Inc., and Joslyn.

11 And that’s about it, unless you have 

12 any questions.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Any 

14 questions for LaVon?

15 (No response.)

16 Okay. The next item we have on the 

17 agenda is updates from Work Groups and 

18 Subcommittees. 

19 I can start off by reporting the SEC 

20 Evaluation Work Group will be having a meeting, 
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I believe it’s April 7th 1 , a conference call. We 

2 are going to be reviewing -- we have an SC&A 

3 review on the one-person one-sample issue, 

4 with, actually, some other statistical issues. 

5 And we have a report from Jim Neton 

6 that sort of -- I think we had talked last time 

7 about the whole issue of -- I forget even what 

8 we are calling it -- I guess the dose that would 

9 make any significant difference, or 

10 substantial difference in dose reconstruction. 

11 He presented some of the preliminary 

12 information, but now he will report on that. 

13 So we will be discussing that also at the Work 

Group meeting on April 7th 14 .

15 Anybody else have an update they’d 

16 like to make?

17 MEMBER BEACH: This is Josie. I’m 

18 going to do a quick report on Kansas City.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

20 MEMBER BEACH: A small group of us are 
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1 here in Germantown reviewing classified

2 documents this week. We are working to set up 

3 a site visit for early May, and also a Work Group 

4 for early June. Those dates have been sent out 

5 for people to accept or decline as they will.

6 That’s the only Work Group I have to 

7 report on today.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Anybody 

9 else?

10 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: This is Phil. We’ve 

11 got a Work Group meeting for INL next week. And 

12 then Dr. Hughes, for the court reporter, she 

13 sent out a short update for Santa Susana Field 

14 Lab. They are working on the issue matrix, and 

15 that looks like when that’s done and resolved 

16 and they will send it out to everybody.

17 Coworker models also is still in the 

18 developmental stage.

19 That’s all we’ve got to report.

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1 Subcommittee -- excuse me again, I’ve done this 

2 before -- Dose Reconstruction Subcommittee.

3 We are meeting back-to-back on April 

1st and 2nd 4 . As some of you know, our scheduled 

meeting on February 6th 5 had to be postponed for 

6 lack of a quorum, because of OGE 450 and 

7 paperwork. So, not everybody could attend. 

8 So, we are having two back-to-back. 

9 So, I don’t have an update on this, but 

10 we decided, with Jim Melius’ concurrence, to do 

11 a Set 19, to choose cases from Set 19, so that 

12 the SC&A people could get working.

13 I know I sent mine in. Ted, I didn’t 

14 have an update from you as to whether we have 

15 enough -- whether choices have been made yet for 

16 Set 19 to instruct SC&A.

17 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Dave, this is Ted.

18 I have input from most of the Subcommittee 

19 Members, and I have one still outstanding. But 

20 that should get done pretty quickly I hope. 
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1 And, if need be, I’ll just move it forward 

2 without all the input.

3 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay, good.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, Dave. 

5 Anybody else have reports?

6 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yeah, this is Brad.

7 Just to speak about Fernald a little bit. We 

8 are still trying to set up a Work Group to start 

9 going over the Site Profile issues. We’ve had 

10 a letter come in to us, and we’ve got kind of 

11 a technical call to be able to address that 

12 letter coming up. That’s all I’ve got to 

13 report on it.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, thanks, Brad.

15 Anybody else?

16 (No response.)

17 Okay, thank you. Let me just address 

18 -- actually, there’s that letter and another 

19 letter. We all received a copy of the letter 

20 regarding Fernald raising some issues about the 
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1 time period for the SEC. And, as Brad just 

2 said, the Work Group is setting up a 

3 meeting/call to discuss that.

4 And, as discussed, the person who sent 

5 in the letter has been notified that that is the 

6 plan and that is going on. So, we addressed 

7 that letter.

8 We also received another letter 

9 regarding the Pinellas site, raising a number 

10 of issues. This is the letter that was sent 

11 jointly to, I think, Dr. Howard, Stu Hinnefeld 

12 and the Advisory Board. There may be others on 

13 that. And that came in, I think, last week or 

14 the week before.

15 We are currently waiting on -- it 

16 primarily addressed some issues regarding the 

17 NIOSH and DCAS. So before the Board responds, 

18 I think we need to wait and let the NIOSH do the 

19 initial response on that. So, I’ll keep 

20 everybody informed on that.
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1 The last item I have on the agenda is 

2 the plans for the April and July Board Meetings. 

3 Let’s start with April. Ted?

4 MR. KATZ: Sure. So, I’ve drafted up 

5 a very preliminary agenda for the meeting, and 

6 what seems quite clear from doing that is that 

7 we can meet in a day. We don’t need the second 

day. So we would be meeting on April 29th 8 . 

That’s Tuesday, April 29th 9 . We need a full day 

10 for that, so plan on staying through the end of 

11 the day. The public comment session right now 

12 I have slated for around 5:00-5:15 through 

13 6:15. So, I’m not sure you’ll be able to get 

14 out, considering a lot of you would have to 

15 travel through Atlanta, too, to be able to get 

16 out that evening.

17 And that agenda -- I mean, the 

18 non-routine items on there include the coworker 

19 dose modeling agenda item that we’ve carried 

20 now for several meetings, Nuclear Metal 
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1 Industries, that SEC, and then Joslyn. We plan 

2 on having a session on Joslyn. So, hopefully, 

3 we can close out consideration of that SEC 

4 petition.

5 We’d also have, towards the end of the 

6 day, before the public comment session, we have 

7 right now an hour slated for the Savannah River 

8 Site SEC Work Group update.

9 How that develops just sort of depends 

10 on the upcoming SEC Issues meeting in part, but 

11 that’s what I have on there for now.

12 MEMBER ANDERSON: How long a drive is 

13 it from Augusta to Atlanta?

14 MR. KATZ: I’m sorry, what was the 

15 question? How far is it?

16 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah, how long a 

17 drive, if we can’t get a late flight out of 

18 Atlanta.

19 MEMBER CLAWSON: It’s an hour and 

20 twenty-five.
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1 MR. KATZ: Yeah, it’s about an hour and 

2 a half.

3 MEMBER ANDERSON: Okay, I got it. 

4 Thanks.

5 MR. KATZ: You can also get, you know, 

6 a puddle hopper if you want to do that.

7 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Then you get to 

9 sprint through Hartsfield.

10 MR. KATZ: Yes, exactly.

11 MEMBER ANDERSON: Right, exactly.

12 MR. KATZ: It all depends on how you 

13 want to get your exercise. 

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Puddle jumpers 

15 always end up as the farthest gate away. And 

16 always late.

17 Just to clarify one thing that Ted 

18 just added, which I had neglected to mention. 

19 It’s also clear from some of the recent Savannah 

20 River Work Group meetings that in order to 
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1 address at least some of the issues at Savannah 

2 River, which are largely coworker model issues, 

3 we need to sort of move along on some of the more 

4 general coworker model issues.

5 So, trying to schedule the SEC 

6 Evaluation Group to be a little bit more general 

7 as to I guess what’s referred to as, you know, 

8 the one-person one-sample issue, but some of 

9 the general statistical issues related to 

10 coworker models. They do tie together, and 

11 hopefully we can make progress if not resolve 

12 the issues on the coworker models, but also make 

13 progress on Savannah River.

14 July Board Meeting, Ted?

15 MR. KATZ: Right. And July -- I don’t 

16 have the date in front of me -- I believe the 

29th and 30th 17 we have slated. Whether we need two 

18 days or not is a question at this point.

19 But the one item I thought we might 

20 chat about is whether anyone has good ideas for 
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1 where to locate that meeting. So, I don’t 

2 know, Jim, if you want to start off that 

3 conversation.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yeah, Ted and I went 

5 back and forth on trying to figure out a site 

6 that we might select, and I think up until now 

7 largely the criteria has been either we have a 

8 new SEC petition at a site, or a new SEC Petition 

9 Evaluation Report for NIOSH to address that, or 

10 we have another SEC petition where we are 

11 farther along and either are trying to finish 

12 it up or further along at the site.

13 Now we are basically getting into the 

14 -- I think we are at a point where we are trying 

15 to get more progress on a number issues at a 

16 site, which I think it’s harder to decide where 

17 to go and where we will get input from.

18 I put up for the July meeting as a 

19 suggestion the Lawrence Berkeley site. We 

20 haven’t been out there for a while. There was 
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1 activity from the Work Group, but with the idea 

2 that we’d go there because we needed input on 

3 sort of Site Profile issues from, you know, 

4 hopefully we would get from people working 

5 there or people familiar with the site.

6 You know, that may not be the only one 

7 where that would be helpful, but we have to sort 

8 of try to think, you know, we choose a site where 

9 it would help us move forward on the site to get 

10 some input from the people at the site.

11 I mean, I know there are examples in 

12 Augusta where we’ve had issues with how well do 

13 the employment records, or the other dose 

14 monitoring records, like where people actually 

15 work, are they complete and comprehensive? 

16 So, getting input from people at the site I 

17 think is helpful in that regard. I think we had 

18 good input at the Kansas City site, which was 

19 our last one. I don’t know if people have other 

20 suggestions for location, or thoughts.
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1 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda. I think 

2 your suggestion of Lawrence Livermore is a 

3 particularly good one, and appropriate for that 

4 time, if it’s amenable with others.

5 MEMBER ZIEMER: Actually, it was 

6 Lawrence Berkeley that was the site of concern, 

7 and we thought initially we would have enough 

8 materials to go ahead, but it turns out that 

9 there’s quite a bit to do. And I think NIOSH 

10 is going through a lot of data now. Jim Neton 

11 may want to update us on that a little bit. But 

12 the indication is we won’t be ready to fully 

13 handle all the issues on the Site Profile, which 

14 is what we would have to be looking at. I don’t 

15 think there’s SEC petition in process right now 

16 for Lawrence Berkeley, if I recall correctly.

17 But we do have some White Papers that 

18 have yet to be dealt with, that have been 

19 reviewed by SC&A as well, but there’s a lot of 

20 material yet being gathered for Lawrence 
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1 Berkeley. Jim Neton, do you have any comments 

2 on this? I think that probably July is going 

3 to end up being too early to really hit that site 

4 fully in terms of the Site Profile.

5 DR. NETON: Yes, Dr. Melius, this is 

6 Jim. We are looking at the Lawrence Berkeley 

7 -- if you recall, we added 8314 at Lawrence 

8 Berkeley some time in 1960, and it was concluded 

9 -- we had added an extension date. So, if we 

10 are going to add another class we would have to 

11 go through the 8314 process again.

12 Right now, we are going through the 

13 data to see, in light of what we’ve done in other 

14 SECs, whether or not we can actually 

15 reconstruct all of the internal doses for the 

16 myriad of radionuclides that were present at 

17 the site, you know, in the late >60s and early 

18 >70s. 

19 We have a lot of data, we have a lot 

20 of bioassay, and we are just trying to look 
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1 through it, and I don’t think we’d be ready at 

2 the July meeting.

3 At this point, we only have five 

4 active claims in process at Lawrence Berkeley 

5 as well. So, there may not be a lot of interest 

6 there, in general.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: To me, the latter is 

8 more important. My point is, that in previous 

9 Site Profile issues -- I don’t think it’s the 

10 type of SEC where we’re trying to reach closure, 

11 you know, or whatever and we are focusing on one 

12 or two issues. These are general issues. And 

13 I think the question is, can we get input as we 

14 are, you know, going through these issues, 

15 which may take time. There may not a single 

16 closure point like there is with the SECs. 

17 And, you know, where is there an issue where we 

18 would like to get some additional information 

19 from people at the site?

20 If there’s not a lot of interest in 
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1 claims, I think that might argue we might not 

2 get input at that particular site. It’s always 

3 hard to predict who will be there. Maybe it 

4 generates more interest.

5 I just think we need to think about 

6 them little differently than if we were having 

7 an active SEC at a site, where it’s sort of a 

8 single closure point and we tend to be more 

9 focused on one or two issues.

10 MR. KATZ: Jim, this is Ted. I’m 

11 just -- I’m here with Brad and Josie and just 

12 chatting about whether, actually, that logic of 

13 trying to sort of shake the trees for 

14 information wouldn’t point to -- Idaho actually 

15 is a good site, because given the data captures 

16 that are ongoing right now, that Bomber’s 

17 involved here. He’s up here at Germantown 

18 doing that just now. But that might be a site 

19 if we can sort of rally people to come to the 

20 meeting and provide that kind of input, that 
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1 might fit the bill.

2 MEMBER CLAWSON: Plus it’s July and you 

3 guys won’t be snowed in.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yeah, I’m in 

5 Washington, D.C. and there’s snow on the ground 

6 from Sunday and Monday. So, I’m not sure I 

7 believe you, Brad.

8 MEMBER CLAWSON: We don’t have any 

9 snow, Jim. It’s been in the 50s.

10 MR. KATZ: But you will in July.

11 (Laughter.)

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: No, I think Idaho 

13 would be another -- that’s another choice. 

14 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: This is Phil. I was 

15 going to also say that we might have enough 

16 information by then for a Santa Susana Field 

17 Lab, to allow some of those folks to come speak 

18 to us.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We ought to see that 

20 area at some point.
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1 MEMBER MUNN: I just don’t have any 

2 feel at all as to how that Santa Susana process 

3 is falling together. It’s difficult for me to 

4 assess anything.

5 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: It’s actually 

6 starting to come together pretty good.

7 DR. NETON: This is Jim. I could 

8 comment on that. We have completed the 

9 coworker model. If you recall, we went back 

10 and obtained the hard drive which contained all 

11 of the electronic images of the bioassay data 

12 from Santa Susana. And that effort was just 

13 released, I think, early this week. So, SC&A 

14 would be in a position to take that coworker 

15 model and evaluate it for completeness and 

16 accuracy and adequacy.

17 That is for them one of the biggest 

18 hold ups -- that has been the biggest hold up 

19 at Santa Susana, but that’s just getting 

20 underway with the SC&A review.
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1 So, I don’t know, there are three or 

2 four other open items on there, but we’ve been 

3 waiting for the coworker model to be finished 

4 before we evaluated remaining issues which 

5 relate to the neutron measurements, and I think 

6 the external dosimetry database has some issues 

7 as well.

8 There are two or three issues out 

9 there, the biggest of which is the coworker 

10 model evaluation.

11 MEMBER MUNN: Do we have any feel for 

12 what the contractor -- where the contractor is, 

13 with respect to the schedule on Santa Susana?

14 MR. KATZ: Well, the contractor hasn’t 

15 had a chance yet.

16 MEMBER MUNN: I understand that they 

17 don’t have anything, but -- all right.

18 MR. KATZ: This is Ted. I’m just 

19 thinking that Santa Susana might be a better 

20 target for the fall meeting, given where it 
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1 stands now. Plus, if you consider weather, and 

2 you don’t want to go to Idaho in the fall, if 

3 you want to try to get information from people 

4 from the site from Idaho, it makes sense to go 

5 there in the summer.

6 MEMBER BEACH: Well, Idaho is a bit 

7 farther along, too.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We’ve got a one week 

9 window where we can visit.

10 (Laughter.)

11 MR. KATZ: Exactly right.

12 MEMBER MUNN: Well, at least it isn’t 

13 all on a Thursday.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: It’s like the 

15 Antarctic, you know, you can fly in and fly out 

16 for one week.

17 MEMBER CLAWSON: You guys are hurting 

18 me.

19 MEMBER ZIEMER: Brad volunteered his 

20 snowmobiles just in case. 
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Pick us up at the 

2 airport in Salt Lake and drive us in.

3 Why don’t we do this? We have an 

4 Idaho Work Group next week, I’ll have a better 

5 idea. And we have at least three sites to 

6 consider in the schedule, and why don’t we see 

7 what we draw up next week and then go ahead.

8 MR. KATZ: Yeah, I think that’s a good 

9 plan, Jim. So, we’ll wait for that Work Group 

10 meeting, and then I’ll need to make a choice 

11 quickly so that we can start moving the 

12 machinery for the next site.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other Board 

14 issues? If not --

15 DR. STIVER: This is John Stiver. If 

16 I could just add one thing. At the Procedures 

17 meeting in February, there was some talk about 

18 possibly establishing a work group at the 

19 Pacific Proving Grounds, or whether it might be 

20 better to try to do that within Procedures or 
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1 some other venue.

2 And, according to my notes, this is 

3 something we wanted to bring up to the Board 

4 now. I know Wanda doesn’t have access to her 

5 computer at this point, but Ted might want to 

6 talk about that a little bit before we close 

7 out.

8 MEMBER MUNN: Thank you, John, I 

9 appreciate that.

10 MR. KATZ: John, what exactly it is 

11 that you’d like me to talk about?

12 DR. STIVER: Kind of bring up the idea 

13 of whether we need to establish a working group 

14 for the Pacific Proving Grounds review.

15 There was some talk in Procedures whether it 

16 would be best to try to do it within the 

17 Procedures Subcommittee or possibly establish 

18 a separate work group.

19 I know, as I recall, Stu indicated 

20 that they might not be able to really be able 
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1 to have a separate work group for any period of 

2 time, or he might not be able to get that 

3 particular piece of work for some time

4 But I just wanted to put it out there 

5 for discussion.

6 MR. KATZ: I think Stu’s issue is not 

7 about a work group or not a work group, it’s just 

8 about whether he has the resources from ORAU to 

9 staff work on Pacific Proving Grounds at this 

10 point.

11 DR. STIVER: Right.

12 MR. KATZ: I think that’s the issue 

13 there. So, the issue with whether there’s a 

14 work group needed or not, relates to, I think, 

15 the Site Profile review?

16 DR. STIVER: Right.

17 MR. KATZ: So, that’s done. It’s 

18 sitting around, in effect.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Let’s deal with this 

20 at the Augusta meeting, when we can get more 
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1 information. It’s a little hard to do this when 

2 most of us haven’t heard about this.

3 MEMBER MUNN: We will review the 

4 minutes and if there’s an issue we’ll discuss 

5 it at Procedures’ upcoming meeting in April.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Well, that may be 

7 fine, but I think it’s also, you know, a Board 

8 issue. So, let’s talk about it at the Board 

9 meeting.

10 MEMBER MUNN: That’s fine.

11 MR. KATZ: Okay, great.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, everybody. 

13 We’ll see you in Augusta.

14 (Whereupon, the above-entitled 

15 matter was concluded at 11:42 a.m.)

16

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