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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 

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 The meeting convened at 11:00 a.m. 

by teleconference, Paul L. Ziemer, Chairman, 

presiding. 

PRESENT: 

PAUL L. ZIEMER, Chairman 

HENRY ANDERSON, Member 

JOSIE BEACH, Member 

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON, Member 

R. WILLIAM FIELD, Member 

MICHAEL H. GIBSON, Member 

MARK GRIFFON, Member 

RICHARD LEMEN, Member 

JAMES E. LOCKEY, Member 

JAMES MALCOLM MELIUS, Member 

WANDA I. MUNN, Member 

ROBERT W. PRESLEY, Member 

DAVID B. RICHARDSON, Member 

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER, Member 

PHILLIP M. SCHOFIELD, Member 
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PRESENT (Cont.): 

THEODORE M. KATZ, Designated Federal Official 

REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS: 

 

ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH 

AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE 

ANIGSTEIN, BOB, SC&A 

BARRIE, TERRIE, ANWAG 

BEHLING, HANS, SC&A 

BEHLING, KATHY, SC&A 

FARVER, DOUG, SC&A 

FUNK, JOHN 

HINNEFELD, STUART, OCAS 

HOWELL, EMILY, HHS 

HUGHES, LARA, OCAS 

KOTSCH, JEFFREY, DOL 

LIN, JENNY, HHS 

LLOYD, ROY, HHS 

MAKHIJANI, ARJUN, SC&A 

MAURO, JOHN, SC&A 

NETON, JIM, OCAS 

OSTROW, STEVE, SC&A 

RUTHERFORD, LaVON, OCAS 

STIVER, JOHN, SC&A 

WADE, LEW, OCAS 
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T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S

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Roll Call 4 

Welcome 9 

Vote on Board Procedures Review 

 Update to HHS 11 

University of Rochester Atomic Energy 

 Project SEC Petition 12 

Assignment of New Members to Brookhaven, 

 Piqua, and other WGs 15 

Special Exposure Cohort (SEC) Petition 

 Status Update on Petitions to be 

 Presented at February Board Meeting 21 

Updates from Work Groups and 

 Subcommittees 27 

Future Plans/Suggestions for February 

 Board Meeting Agenda Items 44 

Adjourn 58 
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(11:01 a.m.) 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. So I'm just going 

to do this alphabetically. Anderson? Andy? 

Not yet. 

 Josie, are you there? 

 MEMBER BEACH: I'm here. 

 MR. KATZ: Brad? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. Dr. Field? No? 

Bill Field, are you with us yet? 

 PARTICIPANT: Who? 

 MR. KATZ: Bill Field? 

 PARTICIPANT: I'm here. 

 MR. KATZ: Great. Mike Gibson? 

 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes, I'm here, Ted. 

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 MEMBER GRIFFON: I'm here. 

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 MEMBER ANDERSON: Hi, this is Henry 

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 MR. KATZ: Oh, great. Hi, Henry. 
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 MEMBER MUNN: Hi, Henry. 

 MR. KATZ: And, Dick Lemen, are you 

with us? Okay, I know he's planning to be 

here so -- Jim Lockey, I think I heard. 

 MEMBER LOCKEY: I'm here. 

 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius, Jim Melius? 

 MEMBER MELIUS: I'm here. 

 MR. KATZ: Wanda Munn? 

 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, sir. 

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 MEMBER PRESLEY: Here. 

 MR. KATZ: John Poston is away. So 

he's not going to be here. 

 David Richardson? 

 MEMBER RICHARDSON: I'm here. 

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 MEMBER ROESSLER: I'm here. 

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 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Here. 

 MR. KATZ: And, Paul Ziemer, you're 

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 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Here. 
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Dick Lemen, are you with us yet? 

 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes, I am. 

 MR. KATZ: Great. Okay. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: So we have 

everybody but Poston so -- and the Court 

Reporter is on hand -- and our Designated 

Federal Official. So I think we can call the 

meeting to order. 

 Do you want to get the rest of the 

roll call from the other Agencies then, Ted? 

 MEMBER FIELD: Just -- Bill Field 

on line, too. 

 MR. KATZ: Yes, I got you, Bill. 

 MEMBER FIELD: Okay. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: We got you, Bill. 

 MR. KATZ: Or if you didn't answer, 

someone answered for you. 

 MEMBER FIELD: I think someone 

answered for me. 

 MR. KATZ: So we have everybody but 

Dr. Poston. He's out of the country. 
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 So let me run down NIOSH ORAU Team 

to begin with. 

 MR. HINNEFELD: This is Stu 

Hinnefeld. 

 DR. NETON: This is Jim Neton. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: LaVon Rutherford. 

 DR. HUGHES: This is Lara Hughes. 

 MR. WADE: Lew Wade. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay, other than that, -

- other -- this is NIOSH ORAU staff. Any ORAU 

staff on here? 

 (No response.) 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. Apparently none. 

 Moving on to other federal 

officials, HHS, contractors as well, DOL, DOE, 

all of those. 

 MS. AL-NABULSI: Isaf Al-Nabulsi, 

DOE. 

 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Isaf. 

 MS. AL-NABULSI: Thank you. 

 MS. HOWELL: Emily Howell, HHS. 

 MS. LIN: Jenny Lin, HHS. 
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 MR. KOTSCH: Jeff Kotsch, DOL. 

 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Jeff. 

 MS. ADAMS: Nancy Adams, NIOSH 

contractor. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. That sounds like 

that might be it for feds. How about SC&A? 

 DR. MAURO: John Mauro, SC&A. 

 MR. KATZ: Welcome, John. 

 DR. ANIGSTEIN: Bob Anigstein, 

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 DR. MAKHIJANI: Arjun Makhijani, 

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 DR. BEHLING: Hans Behling, SC&A. 

 MS. BEHLING: Kathy Behling, SC&A. 

 DR. OSTROW: Steve Ostrow, SC&A. 

 MR. FARVER: Doug Farver, SC&A. 

 MR. STIVER: John Stiver, SC&A. 

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comment session. But are there members of the 

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 MS. BARRIE: This is Terrie Barrie 

with ANWAG. 

 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Terrie. 

 MS. BARRIE: Good morning. 

 MR. FUNK: This is John Funk in Las 

Vegas. 

 MR. KATZ: Welcome, John. 

 Okay. That sounds like it's a roll 

call, Paul. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. Thank you 

very much. 

 So we can officially call the 

meeting to order. I do welcome everybody but 

particularly our new members, Dr. Henry 

Anderson, who was with the Board in earlier 

years and now has returned. Henry is with the 

Wisconsin Division of Public Health. 

 And Richard Lemen, who is retired 

and had been Assistant Attorney General and 

Deputy Director of NIOSH. And he lives in 

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 And Dr. David Richardson, who is at 

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Hill. 

 And let's see, I missed Dr. Field. 

 Bill Field, University of Iowa, Iowa City. 

 Welcome to the new members, 

especially we had orientation sessions just a 

few days ago and have them, I think, pretty 

much up to speed. And we welcome them to the 

Board as well. 

 DR. FIELD: Thank you. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: I assume everyone 

has a copy of the agenda. We're going to move 

through it in a fairly efficient manner. I'll 

put a timetable on myself because of some 

travel plans. So I need to be fairly 

efficient here. 

 We're going to begin with a report 

on the vote on the Procedures Review Update 

Report to the Secretary. We had two members 

that weren't with us at the voting time of the 

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allowed to provide their vote later. 

 And, Mr. Katz, you have a report on 

those votes. 

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vote where we had absentees. And that is for 

the Board's Procedure Review Update to the 

Secretary of HHS. And that's Dr. Melius and 

Mr. Gibson. And both have since voted -- 

logged their votes in with me. They both 

approve of that letter to the Secretary, which 

makes that unanimous. And that's it for that 

report. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. Very good. 

 Thank you very much for that. And that will 

go on the record then as -- for those two 

individuals and the vote on that motion to 

send the report forward was unanimous. 

 The next item we have is the SEC 

Petition for the University of Rochester. And 

you may recall that at the last meeting -- you 

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going on here. But pardon the background 

information. 

 In any event, the question that was 

raised was whether or not NIOSH had pursued 

all possible sources of information, 

monitoring data and so on. Dr. Melius had 

suggested a couple of possible sources for 

additional information. 

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provided some names to NIOSH, and I believe 

Dr. Hughes has been following up on those 

although it is my understanding we have not 

received back any responses. 

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on the status of the University of Rochester 

information? 

 DR. HUGHES: Yes. We received Dr. 

Melius's information last week, and that 

indicated that a contact at the University of 

Rochester had indicated that some of the 

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 We checked with our data capture 

team and concluded that Oak Ridge already had 

been contacted during the regular data capture 

efforts but Hanford had not. We therefore 

issued a data capture request to Hanford of 

which we have no update as of this time. 

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case, I would like to ask, and I think I'll 

ask for input from Dr. Melius, but it would be 

my intent, unless it is suggested otherwise, 

that we defer this until our February meeting, 

until we have an opportunity to have the 

follow up on that. 

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 MEMBER MELIUS: I think that would 

be appropriate. And just to give credit, Jim 

Lockey, we split duties. I contacted the New 

York State government; Jim contacted the 

University of Rochester, a mutual friend of 

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 So we'll see. They weren't, you 

know, sure about it. But, again, I think it 

is worth pursuing. And hopefully we can get 

this resolved by the February Board meeting. 

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ask. Are there any Board members that would 

object to continuing to defer the action until 

the February meeting? 

 (No response.) 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: If I hear no 

objections, I will take it by consent that we 

have agreed to defer this until we get the 

input back from Hanford on the University of 

Rochester. And no further action is required 

then on that item today. 

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assignment of new members to our newest Work 

Groups, and particularly we made a commitment 

at the last meeting to assign some of the new 

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because I want counsel to have a chance to 

review this for conflicts of interest and also 

for the new members to think about these 

assignments. I usually try to give 

individuals the opportunity to opt for 

assignments that they are most interested in 

or feel comfortable with. But let me tell you 

what my tentative assignments are for the new 

members. And I might preface this by saying 

that the new members are welcome to listen in 

on or attend Work Group meetings for any of 

the Work Groups to help them get up to speed. 

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like to make. 

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 I would like to also -- we have a 

number of Work Groups with five members but 

some with just four. And one that has some 

ongoing work is the Worker Outreach Work 

Group. And I think Dr. Lemen might be a good 

candidate for that particular one. 

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getting underway is Idaho National Lab. Now 

we have five individuals on that, but as I've 

looked at workload assignments, I noticed that 

our alternate on that, Wanda Munn, currently 

has 12 Work Group or Subcommittee assignments. 

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replace Ms. Munn on that particular group. 

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alternate but, as you know, the alternates 

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members. They're welcome to attend all the 

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least we have four members at a meeting 

participating if not the full five. 

 So I would ask at this time that 

those individuals consider those assignments 

and then get back to me if you have concerns 

about them and also ask counsel to look at 

that and advise us if there is any conflict of 

interest issues. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: That's fine. 

This is Andy. Brookhaven is fine with me. 

Just put me on the email list. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. Again, 

we'll have to have counsel check all of these 

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 MEMBER ANDERSON: Sure. In case I 

forget to email you. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Yes, okay. 

 Mr. Katz, I think that's all we 

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 MR. KATZ: Okay. 

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you can't hear me. That's fine. So I gather 

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 MR. KATZ: Okay. I don't want to 

preempt anything that counsel would say, but I 

don't believe we're going to have any conflict 

questions with these. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: No, but I want to 

get the new members underway on Work Groups. 

And, again, invite them also to participate in 

any other Work Group assignments. 

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well, basically it comes up next under Special 

Exposure Cohort updates. We're going to have 

a report from Mr. Rutherford. 

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that our new members get up to speed on those 

particular petitions. 

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important that we provide them -- the Work 

Groups are done meeting on these, but it is 

important that we provide our new members with 

all of the information on what has transpired 

over actually more than a year, several years 

in some cases, on these two. 

 And I'm -- Mr. Katz, can -- what 

can we do to provide the necessary background 

information for the new members on those two 

particular facilities? 

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 I have already, with the help of 

folks in OCAS, disc-burned with all of the 

proceedings of the Board, including all the 

documents from OCAS and SC&A, on both of these 

facilities, from beginning to end, and indexed 

and so on, so ready to go. 

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with respect to Chapman Valve, Dr. Poston is 

still on the hook for convening, in effect, a 

close-out meeting teleconference, I think it 

was to be, of the Chapman Valve Work Group. 

And, of course, the new members, you know, can 

listen in to that. 

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on the table to discuss there. But they 

haven't closed out all their issues. So 

that's still to happen. It hasn't been 

scheduled. I'm assuming it will happen in 

January. 

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potential problem if all of the Work Group 

members are present and if all of the new 

members participate in that Work Group 

meeting. There's a possibility of a Board 

quorum, which could present a problem. 

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actually that would -- right -- we have 12, 16 

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 MR. KATZ: So that means -- that's 

correct -- but, again, we can get a transcript 

so that not everybody needs to attend. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Right. So that's 

what we will do on Chapman Valve and Blockson. 

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Board members as well to get themselves up to 

speed on those two petitions. 

 Now, are we ready to hear from Mr. 

Rutherford? He's going to give us an SEC 

Petition Update, and particularly an update on 

the petitions that will be coming up at the 

February Board meeting. 

 LaVon, are you ready to go on that? 

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I'm on. Yes, I am going to focus on the 

petitions we'll present or evaluations we will 

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83.13 evaluations, United Nuclear, which we 

had actually completed that evaluation prior 

to the last Board meeting, but the petitioner 

asked us to delay presentation. Hangar 481, 

we also will be presenting a revised NTS 

evaluation, and then Canoga is on the cusp 

right now. I do believe we'll able to get 

that one to the Board in time to present that 

one at the February meeting. 

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we're going to get to Dr. Melius's group as 

soon as we can. Area IV Santa Susana, we'll 

present at the February meeting. That's 

adding some additional years. General 

Electric Evendale, Lawrence Livermore National 

Lab, that's a modification of the existing 

class definition. We found issues in how that 

one actually administered -- or how we'd move 

forward with that one. It's not covering 

everyone that we need to, Lawrence Berkeley 

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be presenting that 83.14 as well. 

 There are two other ones. I really 

doubt that they are going to make it in time. 

 But it's going to be close. De Soto and 

Downey, they are under the same issues as the 

Santa Susana site. 

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will be presenting a follow-on to the 

conversation that we had at the October Board 

meeting on how we have -- if there has been 

any change in how we've defined our classes 

that we recommended to the Board in our 

approach. We are doing an internal assessment 

at this time of that, and I will make that 

presentation with my update. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. Thank you, 

LaVon. 

 Let me ask Board members, do any of 

you have questions for LaVon on any of these 

upcoming SECs that he's mentioned? 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Just point us to 
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website once we get access. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes. Are you 

wanting to know where the documents are, the 

reference documents in support of the 

Evaluation Reports? 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Right. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. When you go 

into the -- I believe it is your -- the K: 

drive under your folder, those documents 

should all be under the reference site. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: They're listed by 

site. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Right. 

 MR. HINNEFELD: It's the O: drive 

on their computers, LaVon. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. Well, we 

were back and forth on that one. The last 

time I talked to Tom, he said it was K: drive. 

 MR. HINNEFELD: Okay, well -- 

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Board members, a lot of these materials are 

available on the public internet site for the 

OCAS website. So under the Special Exposure 

Cohort section, the petitions are available 

and the OCAS Evaluation Reports are available 

as well. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Okay. 

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go directly to the website on most of these. 

And then there's -- one of your links on the 

website is called Sites. And all of the sites 

are listed. And then you can click on any of 

these sites and pick up the appropriate 

document. 

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ones for February again? I didn't -- 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: I can read -- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: I think -- yes, 

read the list again, LaVon, if you would. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Or just email it, 

that's fine. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: I can send an 

email to the Board members. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Just send an 

email. I started writing them, and you went 

too fast. 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Okay. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Maybe the easiest 

thing, LaVon, would be to just send out the 

list just as an update list -- 

 MR. RUTHERFORD: Sure. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: -- to all of the 

Board members. And I assume that you'll have 

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 MR. KATZ: Paul, I'm going to be 

sending out -- Paul, this is Ted. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Or Ted can do 

that. 

 MR. KATZ: This is Ted. I'm going 

to be sending out a draft agenda for February 

anyway so -- which will list more SECs than 

those because there are a few that, as Paul 

mentioned, that are -- they're on the plate as 

well. So, anyway, you'll get a list of all 

the SEC topics pretty soon, a draft list. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Okay. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. So we're 

ready to go on to the next item, I believe, 

which is updates from Work Groups and 

Subcommittees. And in this case, we simply 

want updates on cases where something has 

changed since our last meeting, either an 

issue or just a report. If you want to report 

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 MR. KATZ: Sure. So the Dose 

Reconstruction Subcommittee. 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: This is Mark 

Griffon. We had a meeting. After the last 

Board meeting, we had a face-to-face meeting 

in Cincinnati. And basically, we just 

continued to do our work on the sets of cases. 

 We have -- I think we're up to the 12th set 

of cases already, which are basically groups 

of 30, generally -- there's some exceptions, 

but basically groups of 30 cases. 

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resolving comments on the sixth, seventh, and 

eighth set of cases. So we're lagging a 

little behind SC&A's progress in reviewing the 

cases, but we are close to closing out all the 

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 We are also addressing a follow-up 

report from our first Summary Report that went 

to the Secretary regarding the first five sets 

of cases, the first 100 cases reviewed, and 

sort of the bottom line of what those findings 

mean in terms of the program itself, in terms 

of the dose reconstruction and scientific 

validity and quality of the dose 

reconstructions coming out of NIOSH to this 

point. 

 So we were asked by the Board to do 

a follow-up analysis of that. And we're in 

progress on that in the Subcommittee. A good 

possibility that we could have a final draft 

at the February meeting of that report for the 

Board's consideration. 

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 MR. KATZ: Thanks. Thank you, 

Mark. 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: Thank you. 

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 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, Procedures met 

on November 17th in Cincinnati with a fairly 

extensive action item list. Our next meeting 

is scheduled for January the 27th. 

 We have not yet addressed some of 

the outstanding issues that we have from our 

first set of findings. They are, in many 

cases, of not great urgency because most of 

those early procedures have either been 

revised or have been overtaken by other 

procedures that have been issued subsequently. 

 Nevertheless, they are outstanding items and 

we hope to be able to focus on a larger number 

of those at our next meeting. 

 As you mentioned earlier, our 

second annual report to the Secretary was 

presented at -- and approved -- at our last 

full Board meeting. That letter has not yet 

been transmitted because some of the graphs 

that were accompanying it are being polished a 

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Only the two attachments will be forthcoming 

in a very short time. 

 There has been a small amount of 

action with transferring one or two of the 

procedures back and forth from our 

organization -- from our Subcommittee to the 

specific Work Groups that are dealing with the 

same issues and vice versa. We've received a 

transfer from other Work Groups into the 

Procedures Subcommittee. 

 Other than that, there is no 

report. 

 MR. KATZ: Wanda, can I just append 

that? Is it true that the Procedures 

Subcommittee will be reporting back to the 

Board on Program Evaluation Report Reviews? 

 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, we will. 

 MR. KATZ: We took that up. 

 MEMBER MUNN: We will be. It's on 

our action list. 

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 MEMBER MUNN: Yes. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. Then let me now -

- Paul, do you want me to run down all the 

Work Groups? Or just those that could 

possibly have something? 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Yes. Proceed 

with the Work Groups, yes. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. So we have 

Blockson first. Wanda? 

 MEMBER MUNN: Oh, I'm sorry. I 

didn't realize there was going to be any 

report on Blockson. So far as I knew, it was 

completely in the hands of the full Board -- 

 MR. KATZ: Right. 

 MEMBER MUNN: -- and was awaiting 

the admission of our four new members for a 

final vote. That was my understanding from 

our last Board meeting. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Wanda. 

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Chapman Valve. But I'll note that it has not 
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should be meeting in January. 

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Security, Mr. Clawson? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Well, we're kind 

of in limbo on that until we have something 

that we need to be able to address. 

 MR. KATZ: Right. 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: We haven't met at 

all. 

 MR. KATZ: Right. Thank you, Brad. 

 Fernald? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes, that would be 

me, too. 

 We've got a Work Group scheduled 

for January 29th. And we're just getting 

ready to prepare for that. And go from there. 

 But that's just about all we have on Fernald. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Brad. 

 Dr. Melius, Hanford? 

 MEMBER MELIUS: Yes. We just 

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presented at our last meeting. 

 So we will -- we need to sort of 

re-prioritize things. I've got to first talk 

to Sam Glover and Arjun. And then we'll 

probably set up a meeting -- once we 

understand what the schedule is for some of 

the work getting done on this, then we'll be 

able to determine when to schedule another 

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 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Jim. 

 Mr. Schofield, INL? 

 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: It's going to be 

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like. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Phil. 

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 MEMBER ROESSLER: The only thing 

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that later this week. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Gen. 

 Los Alamos National Laboratory, Mr. 

Griffon? 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes. We are ready 

to schedule a Work Group, but we haven't done 

that yet. So we're ready -- I think we're 

ready to convene a Work Group, possibly prior 

to the next Board meeting. So I should have 

more to tell you then. 

 MR. KATZ: Great. Thank you, Mark. 

 Mound, Ms. Beach? 

 MEMBER BEACH: Yes, we do have a 

Work Group meeting scheduled for January 5th 

and 6th, a two-day full meeting. And I should 

have more to report at the February meeting as 

well. 

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discuss a new position paper and also try to 

solve the last two profile problems that we 

have. So we'll be meeting at nine o'clock 

next Tuesday morning. 

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Bob. 

 Pantex, Mr. Clawson? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Pantex, right now 

where we're at with it, we haven't been able 

to schedule a Work Group. We're still waiting 

for a response from NIOSH to SC&A's report. 

But we're hoping that we'll begin that pretty 

soon. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Brad. 

 Pinellas, Mr. Schofield? 

 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: It's going to be 

August before we're -- revisions are done. 

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 MEMBER BEACH: I noticed the 

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nine o'clock. 

 MR. KATZ: Right. Thank you. 

 MEMBER BEACH: Okay. 

 MR. KATZ: I was thinking that, but 

I hadn't checked. 

 MEMBER BEACH: I checked. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you. 

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Griffon? 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, the Work 

Group is kind of sitting on the sideline right 

now. We are waiting for a report back from 

DOL on the question of the Ruttenber database. 

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the February meeting regarding that from the 

Department of Labor. 

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Kotsch. 

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communicating with Margaret Ruttenber. And we 

will be meeting with her out in Colorado in 

probably like mid-January to discuss the -- 

you know, to go through the report with her 

and answer some of our questions. 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: Okay. So we 

should have some -- at least an update at the 

February meeting. 

 MR. KOTSCH: Absolutely, yes. 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: And that's all I 

have, Ted. 

 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Mark. 

 Santa Susana, Mr. Gibson? 

 MEMBER GIBSON: We have not had a 

meeting. We're waiting -- I think OCAS is 

still doing a little bit of back-and-forth 

with SC&A. But I would hope that we can get 

that done and possibly have a meeting in 

January before we go out there in February. 

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trip -- but we had a classified meeting at the 

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metal tritides questions. And really the 

focus of that meeting was to resolve what we 

could say in our Work Group meeting. 

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there. And we're planning a Work Group 

meeting in Cincinnati for early January or mid 

January. We've got some dates floating around 

but nothing firmed up yet. 

 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Mark. And I 

haven't seen any of those dates either. It 

would be good for me to see them. But glad to 

hear it. January is going to be busy for 

everyone I think. 

 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes. 

 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Mark. 

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scheduling a meeting of that probably the end 

of January, early February. One, is to deal 

with any 83.14 issues, if LaVon gets us some 

reports in time before the meeting. And 

secondly, we still have outstanding issues 

with Dow Madison and with the 250-day issue. 

So we will be planning probably a conference 

call later in the month for that, the month of 

January, early February, before the Board 

meeting. 

 MR. KATZ: Jim, can I ask you -- 

I'm not sure I understood. Dow Madison, do 

you think you'll be wrapping up discussions on 

Dow Madison? Is that what you were saying? 

Or -- 

 MEMBER MELIUS: Well, let's see 

where we are with -- I've got to talk to the 

petitioners and see where they are in terms of 

getting the information they have requested. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. 

 MEMBER MELIUS: Do that -- and by 
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the call. 

 MR. KATZ: I am not aware of that. 

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 MEMBER MELIUS: I know. 

 MR. KATZ: -- left to do. 

 MEMBER MELIUS: I just wanted to 

get it on the record. 

 MR. KATZ: Right. Thank you. 

 Okay, we have then TBD-6000, Dr. 

Ziemer? Paul, do we still have you? Let me 

go -- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay, Mark, my 

mute was on. I just thought it was off, and I 

must have turned it off. Can you hear me now? 

 MR. KATZ: Yes, thank you. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. TBD6000/6001 Work Group is going to meet on 

December 16th. So that's coming up next week. 

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 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Jim. 

 Worker Outreach, Mike? Mr. Gibson? 

 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes, the Work Group 

met last week. Due to a family matter, I 

wasn't able to be there. So I could defer my 

briefing or if Josie -- 

 MEMBER BEACH: Mike, I'm ready to 

give it if you would like. 

 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes, that would be 

fine. And I'd also like to state that I 

appreciate Josie stepping in for me. 

 MEMBER BEACH: No problem. 

 We did meet on December 2nd. The 

thing that we worked on and got accomplished 

was the implementation plan is ready. And I'm 

sure Mike will be ready to present that to the 

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of anything else I missed? That's where we're 

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 MEMBER MUNN: No, I think those are 

the two major items that we managed to get 

done. Thanks, Josie, we appreciate it. 

 MEMBER BEACH: Yes. 

 MR. KATZ: That's great. Thanks, 

Josie. 

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completes the Work Group review, I believe. 

 Dr. Ziemer? Are you on mute again, 

Paul? Dr. Ziemer? 

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now? 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. We just got you. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: I'm having 

trouble with my un-muting here. 

 Okay. We're ready to talk about 

future plans and suggestions for the February 

Board meeting. 

 I want to begin by calling 

attention to a letter which was distributed to 

Board members, but this will be on our Work 

Group session for February, a letter from 

[identifying information redacted] 

representing the Alliance of Nuclear Worker 

Advocacy Groups. That letter is dated 

November 3rd. You should have all received a 

copy of that. 

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heads-up on that. We are going to put that on 

the agenda. There's three issues that that 

group has asked us to at least address. And I 

would like the Board to at least discuss those 

issues. 

 One of them deals with the use of 

Surrogate Data and Coworker Data. Another 

issue deals with the information that SC&A 

receives from individual petitioners and 

concerns about the confidentiality of that 

information in terms of requirements that SC&A 

needs to share that with NIOSH. 

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it's not an issue so much as it is an 

invitation for the Board to participate and do 

some face-to-face meetings, which that group 

is planning, which will involve Department of 

Labor, Department of Energy, and Department of 

Health and Human Services. 

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familiarize yourself with the content of that 

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 But I'm looking at the email. It was 

distributed to all Board members in an email 

dated November 3rd from [identifying 

information redacted]. 

 Are there other items that Board 

members wish to identify for future plans and 

agenda items? 

 MR. KATZ: Paul, before we go on to 

that, just let me check, did it go to the new 

members as well? 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Probably not 

because it was November 3rd. So we need to 

make -- yes, we need to get copies to the new 

members. Good point. Thank you. 

 MR. KATZ: I'll take care of that. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Yes, I'm looking 

at her distribution list, and I do not see the 

new members on it. 

 MR. KATZ: I'll take care of that. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Thank you. 

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there any issues in terms of the future 

scheduled meetings? 

 MR. KATZ: Well, Paul, let me just 

run through just to be clear about things 

coming up for February. 

 I mean one item may be -- Jim maybe 

addressed this when he gave his update, but on 

Surrogate Data, I'm assuming there will be a 

Board discussion in February on Surrogate. 

That's your expectation, correct? 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Yes. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. Then I guess the 

other thing I would just say I've sort of 

scribbled -- compiled a list of all the SECs, 

not just the ones that LaVon mentioned but 

ones that are on the Board's plate and that 

may be wrapped up in time to have Board 

discussion. 

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Chairs are trying to bring issues to a close 

there. NTS certainly. 

 So just doing the numbers here in 

terms of the numbers of SEC petitions and 

other issues to be addressed, we have a very 

full three days presently. If we were to 

complete and have Board consideration of GSI 

or Bliss & Laughlin or Electro Metallurgical 

or Dow, then we are really full to the brim. 

 And so I would just ask a question 

just to check at this point whether members -- 

there are two ways to go with this. We can 

either jettison some agenda items that are 

typically but maybe not essential for this 

upcoming meeting. And I'm thinking the only 

really leeway is the science update that Dr. 

Neton gives and the SEC update that LaVon 

gives. 

 We may be -- we may not have time 

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another half day to the three days already. 

And I don't know whether Board members have 

the availability for that. And I haven't -- 

we are checking into it, but I don't know 

whether the hotel can accommodate us. 

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Tuesday through Thursday. So that would mean 

adding either Monday or Friday to the agenda 

for the half. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Well, we may need 

to wait and see what the agenda finally looks 

like for that. But let me comment that the 

last couple of meetings we haven't gone full 

days on the last day. We've tended to finish 

up near noon. And people have sort of flown 

out in mid to late afternoon. 

 But, you know, if we do need to go 

a full day, then we need to get a commitment 

at least from some people, depending on where 

-- and this is a California meeting -- so 

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 MR. KATZ: Well, I mean I can 

assure you, again, just doing the math and the 

number of SEC petitions, which is more than 

we've had ever before, we're going to need 

three full days. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Right. 

 MR. KATZ: We need three full days. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: And if any of 

these -- if we have, for example, Fernald or 

Mound or ones like that, which are much more 

complex sites, the discussion may be much 

longer than we would on some of the simpler 

petitions so that we would need to know early 

on from the Chairs of those Work Groups if it 

looks like they are going to be bringing 

anything specific to the group. 

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if, for example, if we're wrapping up Fernald, 

then we're going to need to get some 

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position to make a decision now, Ted, on a 

fourth day? 

 MR. KATZ: Well, we're not. I just 

would like to poll the Board in terms of 

whether that Monday or Friday is even a 

possibility just so -- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Sure, sure. 

 MR. KATZ: -- we can be safe rather 

than sorry here. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: All right. Well, 

there's two things. One is availability. The 

other may be stamina. 

 MR. KATZ: And that may be a 

problem, too. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: All right. Go 

ahead, Ted, if you want to -- or let's have 

some comments. 

 MEMBER MELIUS: This is Jim Melius. 

 One is both a question and a suggestion. If 

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think it might be helpful and, if possible, to 

be kept on the agenda because I think it is 

important in terms of understanding the 

program and as issues come up and so forth. 

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what I was pushing LaVon on a little bit is 

that we -- I think if the 83.14s, in 

particular, were, you know, provided to the 

Work Group, you know, and to the Board far 

enough ahead of time, I think we could be more 

efficient time-wise in terms of how we handle 

them. It's just very difficult when we get 

the reports a week or two before the meetings 

and, you know, we're trying to -- we always 

have lots of questions and so forth. 

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get them, you know, ahead of time of the 

meeting and the reports come out, you know, 

well enough ahead of time, at least a month 

ahead, it would give us some time to resolve 

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data gathering or whatever as in the Rochester 

case. 

 So I mean those are thoughts. I 

know that, you know, given the holiday season 

and so forth, it's going to be -- and the 

timing now, it's going to be tough to sort of 

change schedules. And I think it is important 

that there be good internal review. 

 But that would certainly be helpful 

in terms of maybe making the agenda a little 

bit more efficient. 

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point, Jim. 

 Any other comments? 

 (No response.) 

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again, unless -- let me just poll the members 

to see if even Monday or Friday is even a 

possibility. So we're talking about either 

February 8th or February 12th -- February 8th, 

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 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda. The 

8th would be much preferable for me if we're 

going to have to extend it. The 12th is a 

possibility, but I have heavy commitments on 

the 13th. 

 MEMBER MELIUS: This is Jim Melius. 

 I'm in the same situation. The 12th would 

not be possible for me because of some other 

travel commitments, including tickets I've 

bought. 

 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: This is Phil. 

I'd prefer the 8th if we have an option. 

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members who could not make the 8th for a half 

day? That would be the afternoon of the 8th. 

 MEMBER LOCKEY: Jim Lockey. The 

8th is fine with me. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: As long as we 

don't have to travel on Sunday. 

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that will help you. If you get an early 

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 MEMBER ANDERSON: And it depends on 

what time -- if we go all day on Thursday, 

then we'll have to come back on Friday. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: That's correct. 

 MR. KATZ: That's true. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: Friday is a lost 

day for anybody going east. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Right. 

 MR. KATZ: That's true. That's 

true. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: So whether you 

leave at eight in the morning or noon on 

Friday, you're going to -- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Friday is lost, 

yes. 

 MEMBER ANDERSON: The whole day is 

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 MEMBER ANDERSON: So we'll have to 

see what people can get off on. 

 MR. KATZ: Are there any members 

who can not make the afternoon -- probably 

1:00 p.m. if we did it, on the 8th? 

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we're okay. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. It sounds like it 

is a possibility. I don't know if it is a 

possibility with the hotel in any event. But 

-- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Well, we'll keep 

that on the side if we need it. And plug it 

into the agenda. Okay? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Hey, Ted, this is 

Brad. Do we know which the hotel is? I'm 

just trying to figure out what airport would 

be -- 

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 MR. KATZ: LAX. It's very close to 

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 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. What is the 

hotel? 

 MR. KATZ: I don't know the hotel 

name. But it's near the airport. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: It's in Manhattan 

Beach so that limits the area pretty closely. 

 MR. KATZ: So let me just check my 

understanding with Fernald, Mound -- Josie, 

you were aiming to finish Mound Work Group 

work, were you not? Or am I -- 

 MEMBER BEACH: That is correct. 

I'm still waiting for two pretty important 

documents that we haven't seen yet. So we're 

shooting for that, but I won't know until our 

January meeting if we're going to meet that 

goal or not. So -- 

 MR. KATZ: And, Brad -- 

 MEMBER BEACH: -- that's the best I 

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 And, Brad, can I check the same 

issue with Fernald? Are you not trying to 

close up the issues for Fernald? 

 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes, we are. 

We've got four or five outstanding issues that 

we need to come to closure on. But I don't 

even meet until January 29th. So, you know, 

if possible, you know, we've got a lot of the 

issues all taken care of and stuff. There are 

just a few outstanding ones that we need to 

have taken care of. 

 MR. KATZ: Okay. Okay. I'm going 

to -- I think the schedule as if those -- 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: That will be 

difficult for February 9th. 

 Okay. Ted, do you have what you 

need then? 

 MR. KATZ: I do, thank you. 

 CHAIRMAN ZIEMER: Okay. Do we have 

any other items that need to be discussed? 

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