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memory failed me. I didn’t recall what that was
and couldn’t tell from reading it what the inquiry
really was.

DR. ZIEMER: This is page 5, executive
summary?

MS. MUNN: Page 5, Board discussion,
Wednesday, December 10, second sentence.

DR. SIBMBR: I see it, uh-huh.

MS. MUNN: I wasn't sure -- the meaning
escaped me

MR. GRIFFON: Yeah, it’s unclear to me there,
too, but I think the -- the thrust of it was that
we were wondering if we could -- what we could
discuss in the open meeting as opposed to in the
executive session, I think that’s where -- what we
were talking about.

MR. ELLIOTT: I agree, and I think it’s --
this is one sentence, and it -- the following
sentence where Martha and I try to explain the
restraints. I think they’re tied together.
They're probably a little bit nebulous in their
meaning, but that’s what we were trying to get at.

DR. ZIEMER: Can we clarify that

MR. GRIFFON: If we just drop the word

“options” from that sentence, just to say

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PARTICIPANTS
(By Group, in Alphabetical Order)

BOARD MEMBERS

CHAIR

ZIEMER, Paul L., Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus

School of Health Sciences
Purdue University
Lafayette, Indiana

ELLIOTT, Larry J.

Director, Office of Compensation Analysis and Support
National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Cincinnati, Ohio

MEMBERSHIP

ANDERSON, Henry A., M.D.

Chief Medical Officer

Occupational and Environmental Health
Wisconsin Division of Public Health
Madison, Wisconsin

ANDRADE, Antonio, Ph.D.

Group Leader

Radiation Protection Services Group
Los Alamos National Laboratory

Los Alamos, New Mexico

DeHART, Roy Lynch, M.D., M.P.E.

Director

The Vanderbilt Center fer Occupational and Environmental
Medicine

Professor of Medicine

Nashville, Tennessee

ESPINOSA, Richard Lee

Sheet Metal Workers Union Local #49
Johnson Controls

Los Alamos National Laboratory
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Melius. Henry will be joining us tomorrow. Jim
has had some I think travel difficulty, but we
expect him to arrive yet sometime today.

We'd like to ask everyone to register their
attendance. There is a book in the back and we
ask that all individuals, including Board members,
do this. That registration book is on the back
table near the doorway.

If you're a member of the public and wish to
sign up for our public comment period, there's a
separate sign-up sheet for that, and we ask thar
you do indicate your intention to address the
Board by signing up there. In connection with the
public comment, I would like to point out that we
have scheduled at this meeting, for the first
time, an evening public comment session. That
public comment session begins this evening -- I
believe it’s 7:00 o’clock -- yes, 7:00 o'clock
this evening. It will be here in this room and
that will be another opportunity for individuals
who perhaps could not attend the meeting during
the daytime hours.

There is an information table. It’s over
here on my right, about the middle of the room,

and that table includes copies of the agenda,

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AGENDA SPEAKERS

(in order of appearance)

Ms. Martha DiMuzio, NIOSH

Mr. Pete Turcic, DOL

Dr. Jim Neton, NIOSH

Dr. dames Melius, Workgroup Chair
Dr. John Mauro, SC&A

Mr. Joseph Fitzgerald, SC&A

STAFF /VENDORS

CORI HOMER, Committee Management Specialist, NIOSH
STEVEN RAY GREEN, Certified Merit Court Reporter

AUDIENCE PARTICIPANTS

ANFIELD, ISAIAH L.
BEARD, MORRIS 0.
BEATTY, EVERETT "RAY", SR.
CALLAWAY, ALLEN
DAVIS, ALLISON
DEHART, JULIA

DIMM, MOSES
DIMUZIO, MARTHA
FITZGERALD, JOSEPH
FRANSON, WILLIAM C.
GANTZ, JULIE M.
HENSHAW, RUSS

HILLS, WARREN, SR.
HOFFMAN, OWEN
HOMOKI, R

HOMOKI, STEVE
HOMOKI-TITUS, LIZ
HUTCHISON, JOHNNY
JERNIGAN, CHARLES L.
KAHAL, ED



GIBSON, Michael K.

President

Paper, Allied-Industrial, Chemical, and Energy Union
Local 5-4200

Miamisburg, Ohio

GRIFFON, Mark A.

President

Creative Pollution Solutions, Ine.
Salem, New Hampshire

MELIUS, James Malcom, M.D., Ph.D.

Director

New York State Laborers’ Health and Safety Trust Fund
Albany, New York

MUNN, Wanda I.
Senior Nuclear Engineer (Retired)
Richland, Washington

OWENS, Charles Leon

President

Paper, Allied-Industrial, Chemical, and Energy Union
Local 5-550

Paducah, Kentucky

PRESLEY, Robert WwW.

Special Projects Engineer

BWXT Y12 National Security Complex
Clinton, Tennessee

ROESSLER, Genevieve S., Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
University of Florida
Elysian, Minnesota



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PROCEEDINGS

(9:00 a.m.)
REGISTRATION AND WELCOME

DR. ZIEMER: Good morning, everyone. We
welcome you to Savannah River and to Augusta.
Savannah River is more than one thing. It’s right
outside the door, the beautiful Savannah River,
and it’s also one of our important sites in terms
of the DOE program.

I‘m Paul Ziemer, Chairman of the Advisory
Board on Radiation and Worker Health. This is the
2ist meeting of the group, which started its
deliberations in this area just two years ago in
January of 2002,

I have several announcements and pieces of
information for you all. First of all let me
point out for those who are visiting and members
of the public, the Board members are seated at the
table here. I’m not going to introduce them
individually at this time, but they do have name
placards so you can identify who they are. The
record will show that all of the Board members are

here with the exception of Henry Anderson and Jim



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I’m now going to turn the chair over to Larry
Elliott for a few introductory comments.

MR. ELLIOTT: Well, good morning, everyone.
I too would like to welcome you all to Augusta and
to Savannah River and the Savannah River site.
Lock forward to this meeting, the 21st meeting of
this advisory body. On behalf of the Secretary of
the Department and Dr. Howard, the director of
NIOSH, we look forward to a productive meeting.

We also, I would make sure that you're aware,
we have a public comment period tomorrow at 11:30
to 12:00, so we'll have public comment on both
days. And we're hopeful that we’ll have a good
session in that regard and we hear -- we hear
perceptions and comments from the -- from the
public, so thank you.

REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF DRAFT MINUTES, MEETING 19

DR. ZIEMER: Thank you, Larry. The first
item on our agenda involves the review and
approval of the minutes for meeting 19. That was
the meeting held in Las Vegas, Nevada on December
Sth and 10th. Copies of those minutes were e-
mailed to Board members earlier in the week. They
are also in your packet, I don’t know if all of

the Board members -- it’s a rather long packet --

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handout materials and other items that may be of
interest to you.

I would also like to call attention to the
fact that the Board session tomorrow afternoon,
the session following the lunch period, is a
closed session. That is, it 1s closed to the
public because of the fact that the Board will be
addressing a matter which ie in a sense
restricted. It involves the cost proposal for the
Board's -- for the selection of the Board's
current contract for support in the area of dose
reconstruction. At that time the only business
will be that of considering the cost proposal that
the Board has before it.

One piece of information for Board members on
the mikes that you have near your chair. If you
use the mike, there‘s a pressure pad. You have to
hold that down, Board members, in order to use the
mike. And you have to hold that down while you're
speaking, is my understanding. That pressure pad
I guess is at the base of the mike, near the
middle. Okay?

The record can now show that Dr. Melius is --
has arrived and is joining the Board here shortly.

We're glad you made it, Jim.

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KATZ, TED
KIRR, JAMES W.
KOTSCH, JEFF

LAWSON, JACOB HOWARD

MAIER, ALDA
MAURO, JOHN
MILLER, LYNDA K.

MILLER, RICHARD
MILLER, STEVE
MORGAN, BENYOEL
NAIMON, DAVID
NESVET, JEFFREY
PRESLEY, LOUISE
ROCQUE, DENNIS G.
ROESSLER, CHARLES
ROWE, GORDON

SING! L.P.
TOOHEY, R.E.
TURCIC, PETER M.
UTTERBACK, DAVID
WARREN, BOB
WASHINGTON, GRACE

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sentence in dialogue or omission(s) of word(s) when reading
written material.

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usage or pronunciation of a word which is transcribed in its
original form as reported.

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phonetic spelling of the word if no confirmation of the
correct spelling is available.

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affirmative response, and "uh-uh" represents a negative
response.

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based on phonetics, without reference available.

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questioning -- you know, questioning following the
presentation.

DR. ZIEMER: It would say Mr. Mark Griffon
inquired into questioning tollowing the
presentation -- inquired into questioning? That
still sounds -- actually sounds a little strange
to my ear, actually. What act-- Mark, clarify for
us. What -- what was it you were asking there?

MR. GRIFFON: I was -- I was asking what we
could ask SCA in the open meeting, as opposed to
what we could not discuss in the open meeting.

DR. ZIEMER: Okay. How about Mark Griffon
inquired about limitations on questions that could
be raised following the presentation. How would
that be? If the recorder was able to record what
I said, we’ll accept that, whatever it was. Mark
Griffon inquired into -- or inquired about
limitations on questions that could be raised
following the presentation. Is that agreeable?

(No responses)

We'll take it by consent that that -- that
that is acceptable.

Okay, others? No other changes?

(No responses)

Now a motion to accept the minutes with that

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CONTENTS

February 6, 2004

REGISTRATION AND WELCOME
Dr. Paul Ziemer, Chair. Ba Si Fate A OS
Mr. Larry Elliott, Executive Secrerary 223

ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSEKEEPING
Ms. Cori Homer, NIOSH; Dr. Paul Ziemer, Chair; Mr. Larry
Elliott, Executive Secretary. . .. 5. ++» +s» » 226

BOARD DISCUSSION/WORKING SESSION FOR SANFORD COHEN
AND ASSOCIATES
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BOARD DISCUSSION/WORKING SESSION

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February 5, 2004

REGISTRATION AND WELCOME
Dr. Paul Ziemer, Chair. F
Mr. Larry Elliott, Executive secretary

REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF DRAFT MINUTES, MEETING 19
Dr. Paul Ziemer, Chair... .

PROGRAM STATUS REPORT
Ms. Martha DiMuzio, NIOSH

STATUS AND OUTREACH - DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
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SITE PROFILE STATUS, USE IN DOSE RECONSTRUCTIONS,

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Dr, Jim Neton, NIOSH.

RESEARCH ISSUES WORKGROUP REPORT
Dr. James Melius, Workgroup Chair...

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DOSE RECONSTRUCTION REVIEW PROCESS. .

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if all the Board members have had a chance to go
through these. I’m willing to consider a request
for deferral if you have not had an opportunity to
look over the minutes yet. Is there anyone that
wishes to defer action until tomorrow?

{No respouses)

It appears not. Okay. I know that some who
got theirs and got a chance to actually read them
before the minutes feel so -- the meeting feel so
good about it, they want to take action right
away.

Let me ask then if there are any corrections
or additions to the minutes. I’m looking for
substantive corrections or additions. If you have
typos and minor punctuation things, you can simply
pass those on later, but any substantive
corrections or additions, and we ask that you look
particularly at things where you may yourself have
been involved in the discussion and if you’ve not
been recorded properly. Wanda Munn.

MS. MUNN: Actually it isn’t substantive. It
was simply something that was not clear to me when
I read it. On page 5, the second sentence where
it says Mark inquired intc questioning options

following the presentation. I wasn’t sure -- my

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