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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL

SAFETY AND HEALTH

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ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION

AND WORKER HEALTH

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WEDNESDAY,

MARCH 31, 2010

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The Board convened at 11:00 a.m. 

Eastern Daylight Time via teleconference, 

James Melius, Chairman, presiding.

BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:

JAMES MELIUS, Chairman

HENRY ANDERSON

JOSIE BEACH

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON

WILLIAM FIELD

MICHAEL H. GIBSON

MARK GRIFFON

RICHARD LEMEN

JAMES LOCKEY

WANDA MUNN

ROBERT PRESLEY

DAVID RICHARDSON

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER

PHILLIP SCHOFIELD

PAUL ZIEMER
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ALSO PRESENT:

TED KATZ, Designated Federal Official

NANCY ADAMS, NIOSH Contractor

ISAF AL-NABULSI, DOE

HANS BEHLING, SC&A

KATHY BEHLING, SC&A

TERRIE BARRIE, ANWAG

ANTOINETTE BONSIGNORE, Petitioner

LAURIE BREYER, DCAS-ORAU

ALICIA DRESSMAN, Peace Works

STUART HINNEFELD, DCAS-ORAU

EMILY HOWELL, HHS

LARA HUGHES, DCAS-ORAU

JEFFREY KOTSCH, DOL

JENNY LIN, HHS

ARJUN MAKHIJANI, SC&A

JOHN MAURO, SC&A

JIM NETON, DCAS-ORAU

STEVE OSTROW, SC&A

KATHLEEN PINCHETTI, Blockson

LAVON RUTHERFORD, DCAS-ORAU

LEW WADE, DCAS-ORAU
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T-A-B-L-E O-F C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S

Roll Call 4

Welcome 8

Vote on Westinghouse Electric Corp. 9

Canoga Avenue Facility SEC Petition 10

University of Rochester Atomic

Energy Project SEC Petition 26

Chapman Valve and Blockson Chemical

SEC Petition 31

Discussion of NIOSH 10-Year Program 

Review 39

DCAS Facility Record Search Methods 42

SEC Class Definitions Analysis (update) 53

Special Exposure Cohort SEC Petition

Status Update 56

Work Groups and Subcommittees Updates 62

New Work Group Assignments 89

Managing Conflicts when Tasking 91

Tasking SC & A 95

Board Correspondence 113

Future Plans/Suggestions for May 

2010 Board Meeting 114
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2 (11:01 a.m.)

3 MR. KATZ: Okay, so let's do roll 

4 call beginning with Board members, Mr. Chair.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I'm here.

6 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I'm present.

8 MEMBER LEMEN: Dr. Lemen is

9 present.

10 MR. KATZ: Lemen.

11 MEMBER LOCKEY: Dr. Lockey.

12 MR. KATZ: Lockey.

13 MEMBER MUNN: Wanda Munn.

14 MR. KATZ: Munn.

15 MEMBER CLAWSON: Bradley Clawson.

16 MEMBER ZIEMER: Paul Ziemer.

17 MEMBER PRESLEY: Bob Presley.

18 MEMBER FIELD: Bill Field.

19 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Paul Schofield.

20 MEMBER GIBSON: Mike Gibson.

21 MEMBER RICHARDSON: David 

22 Richardson.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Mark Griffon 

2 will be a few minutes late.

3 MR. KATZ: Okay. He called me a 

4 few minutes ago. Okay, so far I have Lemen, 

5 Lockey, Munn, Ziemer, Presley, Field, 

6 Schofield, Gibson, Richardson, and there was 

7 one person that was garbled.

8 MEMBER CLAWSON: That would be 

9 Clawson, and then there's Josie.

10 MEMBER BEACH: This is Josie. We 

11 were trying to talk at the same time.

12 MR. KATZ: Okay, so that's 12. 

13 We're still missing two.

14 MEMBER ROESSLER: This is Gen 

15 Roessler.

16 MR. KATZ: Oh, Gen, great.

17 MS. BURGOS: This is Zaida. We're 

18 trying to get in all of them.

19 MR. KATZ: Yes, we're missing 

20 Henry. Dr. Anderson, are you on?

21 MEMBER ANDERSON: Hello.

22 MR. KATZ: Oh, there you are. 
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1 That's Dr. Anderson.

2 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

3 MR. KATZ: Okay. We'll continue 

4 with roll call then beyond the Board, knowing 

5 that Mark will be joining us, so next let's 

6 have the NIOSH ORAU team.

7 MR. HINNEFELD: In Cincinnati, 

8 this is Stu Hinnefeld, Lew Wade, and Jim 

9 Neton.

10 MR. RUTHERFORD: LaVon Rutherford 

11 at Cincinnati, as well.

12 DR. HUGHES: This is Lara Hughes, 

13 also in Cincinnati.

14 MS. BREYER: This is Laurie 

15 Breyer, also in Cincinnati.

16 MR. KATZ: Great, welcome all of 

17 you. Now SC&A.

18 DR. MAURO: John Mauro here, SC&A. 

19 Good morning, everyone.

20 MS. BEHLING: Kathy Behling.

21 DR. BEHLING: Hans Behling.

22 DR. MAKHIJANI: Arjun Makhijani.
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1 MR. KATZ: Okay. Then how about 

2 HHS or other federal employees or contractors 

3 to the fed.

4 MS. HOWELL: Emily Howell, HHS.

5 MS. AL-NABULSI: Isaf Al-Nabulsi, 

6 DOE.

7 MS. ADAMS: Nancy Adams, NIOSH 

8 contractor.

9 MR. KOTSCH: Jeff Kotsch, 

10 Department of Labor.

11 MS. LIN: This is Jenny with HHS.

12 MR. KATZ: Great. Welcome, all, 

13 and then how about any members of the public 

14 who would like to identify themselves for the 

15 record.

16 MS. BARRIE: This is Terrie Barrie 

17 with ANWAG.

18 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Terrie.

19 MS. BARRIE: Good morning.

20 MS. BONSIGNORE: This is 

21 Antoinette Bonsignore for Linde Ceramics.

22 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Antoinette.
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1 MR. OSTROW: Ted, this is Steve 

2 Ostrow from SC&A. I think I got in a little 

3 bit late.

4 MR. KATZ: Great, Steve. 

5 MS. DRESSMAN: This is Alicia 

6 Dressman.

7 MR. KATZ: I'm sorry. Was there 

8 someone else from the public?

9 MS. DRESSMAN: Yes, Alicia 

10 Dressman from Peace Works PSR-KC.

11 MR. KATZ: Alicia Dressman?

12 MS. DRESSMAN: Yes, D as in David, 

13 R-E-S-S-M-A-N.

14 MR. KATZ: Thank you. Welcome.

15 MS. PINCHETTI: And Kathy 

16 Pinchetti with Blockson.

17 MR. KATZ: Welcome, Kathy. Okay. 

18 I think that's good for now, and Mark, I'm 

19 sure, will tell us when he joins us and let 

20 me just say for everybody on the line, 

21 there's a lot of feedback and so on.

22 Everyone who is not speaking, when 
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1 you're not speaking, please mute your phone 

2 starting now. Use *6 if you don't have a 

3 mute button and then, to rejoin when you do 

4 have to speak, you just hit *6 again if you 

5 don't have a mute button.

6 Let me just also remind everyone, 

7 since this is a teleconference, please 

8 identify yourself each time you speak. It 

9 will be hard for the court reporter, who is 

10 Chad, to follow who's speaking without that. 

11 Thank you and, Jim, it's your 

12 agenda. 

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank 

14 you. Jim Melius speaking, and we have a 

15 fairly long agenda, but I think we can get 

16 through it relatively quickly today. I 

17 believe the first item is we have a vote on 

18 the Westinghouse Electric SEC Petition. Ted, 

19 do you want to provide the follow-up on that?

20 MR. KATZ: Yes, thank you, so Mike 

21 Gibson was absent for a portion of the 

22 meeting where the Board voted otherwise 
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1 unanimously in support of adding this Class, 

2 the Westinghouse Electric Corporation. On 

3 February 26, Mike Gibson voted in affirmative 

4 with the rest of the Board. So that's a 

5 unanimous vote and that has gone forward, 

6 that recommendation from the Board, and 

7 that's it. Thank you, Dr. Melius.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. Okay, and 

9 all the letters to the Secretary have gone 

10 forward actually a couple of weeks ago, I 

11 believe at least, so it's set there.

12 The next item on our agenda is an 

13 update on the Canoga Avenue Facility SEC 

14 Petition. As you may remember, last time we 

15 had sort of postponed any action on that. 

16 There were issues about the Class Definition 

17 when settled, so NIOSH has issued an updated 

18 report on that and I believe that Lara Hughes 

19 should be on to give a short presentation and 

20 an update on that.

21 DR. HUGHES: Yes, I'm here. This 

22 is Lara. As Dr. Melius just stated, NIOSH 
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1 had, since the February 2010 Board meeting, 

2 issued actually two revisions to the SEC 

3 Evaluation Report. This is SEC Number 151 

4 for the Canoga Avenue Facility.

5 I guess I'm just going to go over 

6 the reasons for the change in the Class 

7 Definition since it's already been presented 

8 to the Board.

9 The main reason for changing the 

10 recommendation stems from NIOSH investigation 

11 into whether or not this recommended Class 

12 that NIOSH recommended in February could be 

13 actually administered, and we have since then 

14 determined that because of some issues with 

15 actual work location and access controls, it 

16 would be very difficult to administer a Class 

17 that would be limited by building.

18 This was also confirmed by a 

19 conference call with the Department of Labor 

20 and the revised NIOSH report also included 

21 statements that were made by the petitioner 

22 during the February Board meeting which were 
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1 found to be in support of the NIOSH decision 

2 to change the Class recommendation.

3 For example, those were that the 

4 access control to this one building with the 

5 nuclear operations was not as strictly 

6 enforced as initially assumed and that 

7 workers -- it was common to move workers from 

8 one division to the other and that there were 

9 some indications that facilities that were 

10 located at this building were accessible to 

11 all workers at the site.

12 In addition, the petitioner also 

13 made a statement that some of the related 

14 work may have taken place in other locations 

15 at the facility than this one single building 

16 and for this reason NIOSH has decided to 

17 change its recommendation on the Class 

18 Definition for this facility.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. Thanks, 

20 Lara. Anybody have any questions about that? 

21 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda, but 

22 it would be helpful to have that 
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1 recommendation read again.

2 DR. HUGHES: Okay. Do you mean 

3 the Class Definition?

4 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

5 DR. HUGHES: Okay.

6 MEMBER MUNN: The decision that is 

7 made -- they made with respect to Class 

8 Definition.

9 DR. HUGHES: Okay. The revised 

10 Class Definition would include all employees 

11 of the Department of Energy, its predecessor 

12 agencies, its contractors and subcontractors 

13 who worked at the Canoga Avenue Facility in 

14 Los Angeles, California, from January 1, 

15 1955, through December 31, 1960, for a number 

16 of workdays aggregating at least 250 workdays 

17 occurring either solely under this employment 

18 or in combination with workdays within the 

19 parameters established for one or more 

20 Classes of employees in the SEC -- got a few 

21 revised NIOSH-proposed Classes.

22 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, yes, that's 
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1 great. That's what I wanted to hear. Thank 

2 you.

3 MEMBER GIBSON: Jim, this is Mike.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, Mike.

5 MEMBER GIBSON: This is the same 

6 contractor that operated the Santa Susana 

7 Field Lab site. Is that correct?

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Correct.

9 MEMBER GIBSON: Okay, and there 

10 was a problem with access controls for 

11 employees, so that would -- at least for me 

12 it brings to mind that they may have a 

13 problem determining who also accessed areas, 

14 Area 4 at Santa Susana. That's not the 

15 question of time. I just want that on the 

16 record.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That's correct 

18 and I believe your Santa Susana Work Group is 

19 meeting, at least, sometime early in April. 

20 I don't remember the exact date, but that is 

21 certainly one of the issues that your Work 

22 Group should take up.
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1 I think the other one that goes 

2 along with that is that there were issues 

3 about SC&A's proposed review of the Site 

4 Profile for Canoga. Well, it turns out there 

5 isn't a Site Profile but there may be also 

6 Site-Profile issues related to that -- to 

7 that facility in addition to the SEC that 

8 need to be taken up, so I think your Work 

9 Group -- I think, in essence we're referring 

10 to other issues related to Canoga than sort 

11 of this bigger issue of the entire Santa 

12 Susana site to your Work Group for follow-up 

13 and there may very well -- may need to be 

14 some additional changes in terms of Class 

15 Definition but I think they would apply so 

16 the entire facility or facilities rather than 

17 only to Canoga.

18 MEMBER GIBSON: Right. Thanks, 

19 Jim.

20 MEMBER ZIEMER: Dr. Melius, Paul 

21 Ziemer here. Could I follow-up on Mike's 

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1 by this new Definition and Mike's comment 

2 with regard to Santa Susana, does that mean 

3 Canoga Avenue was in essence available for 

4 access by anyone who worked at the Santa Anna 

5 -- yes, get the right name here, Santa Anna 

6 Facility?

7 DR. HUGHES: This is Lara Hughes. 

8 They were all employed by the same entity or 

9 the same company, which was North American 

10 Aviation. I have no information as to -- you 

11 know, if any given worker could have gone to 

12 each facility, but it was the same company 

13 that operated the facility and they had a DOE 

14 contract. 

15 I think it was quite common that 

16 workers were moved either from the Canoga 

17 Avenue facility or to the De Soto facility to 

18 Area 4 and back. We see this a lot in our 

19 claimant files that people had verified 

20 employment at three or four of these 

21 facilities, actually.

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2 MEMBER ZIEMER: If the short 

3 answer is yes, doesn't that automatically 

4 make the Santa Anna facility an SEC Class as 

5 well, if any worker from Santa Anna has 

6 access to this and this is an SEC --

7 MR. HINNEFELD: This is Stu 

8 Hinnefeld in Cincinnati, if I can offer 

9 something here.

10 Santa Susana is an SEC for this 

11 period already in Area 4, the part that we 

12 see the claims from, so if people were moving 

13 between Area 4 and Canoga and back, that's 

14 sort of irrelevant to the discussion.

15 MEMBER ZIEMER: So it becomes a 

16 moot point.

17 MR. HINNEFELD: Yes, the point I 

18 think that Mike's point has to do with at 

19 Santa Susana Area 4 is considered a covered 

20 area for EEOICPA. We didn't make that 

21 distinction and to say only Area 4 is in the 

22 SEC. That's a distinction made in the 
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1 coverage and so there are claims from workers 

2 at Santa Susana whose primary assignment was 

3 in the other areas, Areas 1 through 3, that 

4 they were periodically assigned to Area 4, 

5 and I don't see any way for us to deal with 

6 that issue.

7 That seems to me to be a 

8 Department of Labor issue because, if the 

9 person is not verified in being in Area 4, 

10 that claim never gets to us. That apparently 

11 is not verified employment.

12 MEMBER ZIEMER: Thank you.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: This is Jim 

14 Melius. Isn't there also a De Soto Facility? 

15 Isn't that part of that?

16 MR. HINNEFELD: There are two 

17 other facilities. There are De Soto 

18 Facilities and Downey Facility.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

20 MR. HINNEFELD: And we are 

21 pursuing our investigation of the feasibility 

22 of those as well. That's pretty much 
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1 complete and we are hopeful that those can be 

2 -- that there may be something on the agenda 

3 for the May meeting for those two sites.

4 MEMBER GIBSON: Jim, this is Mike.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, Mike.

6 MEMBER GIBSON: Could DOL -- I 

7 think Mr. Kotsch is on the line. Could he 

8 maybe kind of give us some comment on this as 

9 far as the people who were supposedly 

10 primarily assigned to other areas of Santa 

11 Susana and how they can determine that, you 

12 know, access controls, and they can't for 

13 other facilities?

14 MR. KATZ: Jeff, do you have any -

15 - are you prepared to comment on that?

16 MR. KOTSCH: I'm not, excuse me, 

17 Jeff Kotsch, Department of Labor. I'm not 

18 sure. I always say we do all these things on 

19 a case-by-case basis and looking at each site 

20 as far as the employment data or information 

21 goes, and we don't really -- you know, we 

22 obviously won't get into things like access 
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1 control and things like that. Those are to 

2 be used in the definition of a Class, but I 

3 mean I guess all I'm prepared to say right 

4 now is that, if you're looking at multi-site 

5 people, people at multi-site for Atomics 

6 International, we would have to look at the 

7 employment information we have either 

8 collectively or for each of those facilities.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Mike, I would 

10 think that maybe within the work group 

11 meeting you can sort of get caught up with 

12 what NIOSH is doing with the other parts of 

13 this overall complex, and then also start 

14 working on other issues about people moving 

15 in from other parts of the facility that 

16 might not be covered and how that might be 

17 dealt with because I think it's fairly 

18 complicated.

19 If they're not currently part of 

20 the designated facility, then it will require 

21 some -- may require some follow-up by DOL, 

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2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, 

3 Jim. 

4 MR. KATZ: This is Ted Katz. Can 

5 I just note we just booked the meeting for 

6 the work group for April 20th for Santa 

7 Susana, and I just wanted to note for Jeff or 

8 someone from DOL, you might want to -- if 

9 you'd be willing to listen in on that meeting 

10 by teleconference, it might be helpful at 

11 least for part of the meeting and we can 

12 communicate later about what part of the 

13 meeting would be most helpful for you to 

14 join, but it sounds like it might be helpful.

15 MR. KOTSCH: Ted, this is Jeff 

16 Kotsch. You haven't sent that out yet, but 

17 I'll tentatively put it on our agenda. I may 

18 even try to put one of our facility people on 

19 the phone, too.

20 MR. KATZ: Thank you very much.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Great. Thanks, 

22 Jeff. Any other questions on Canoga Avenue? 
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1 If not, we need a motion to accept or deny 

2 and I would indicate for those of you that 

3 are not on the Board at least, I did 

4 circulate a draft letter to the Secretary on 

5 this issue, so I think everyone should have 

6 received that, at least the Board members on 

7 Monday, and the NIOSH and other staff people, 

8 but can we have a motion?

9 MEMBER GIBSON: Jim, this is Mike, 

10 so moved.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

12 MEMBER ANDERSON: I'll second it.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you. That 

14 was Henry?

15 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Any 

17 further discussion? If not, Ted, do you want 

18 to do a roll call?

19 MR. KATZ: Sure. Can you hear me?

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

21 MR. KATZ: So, my only question is 

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1 now -- do we need to read in the record first 

2 or afterwards, whichever?

3 MS. HOWELL: Please, if you could 

4 clarify what the motion is for and read it 

5 into the record.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Why don't 

7 I read the letter into the record?

8 MEMBER ANDERSON: That's a good 

9 idea.

10 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Jim.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Sorry. Madam 

12 Secretary, the Advisory Board on Radiation 

13 and Worker Health, the Board, has evaluated 

14 SEC Petition 00151 concerning workers at the 

15 Canoga Avenue Facility in Los Angeles, 

16 California, under the statutory requirements 

17 established by EEOICPA, incorporated into 42 

18 CFR 83.13.

19 The Board respectfully recommends 

20 special exposure status be afforded to all 

21 employees of the Department of Energy, its 

22 predecessor agencies and their contractors 
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1 and subcontractors who worked in any area of 

2 the Canoga Avenue facility from January 1, 

3 1955, through December 31, 1960, for a number 

4 of workdays aggregating at least 250 workdays 

5 occurring either solely under this employment 

6 or in combination with workdays within the 

7 parameters established for one or more other 

8 Classes of employees included in the Special 

9 Exposure Cohort.

10 This recommendation is based on 

11 the following factors: (1) the Canoga Avenue 

12 facility was involved in development and 

13 testing of nuclear reactors and related 

14 research; (2) NIOSH found that there was 

15 insufficient monitoring data or information 

16 on radiological operations at this facility 

17 in order to be able to complete accurate 

18 individual dose reconstructions involving 

19 internal radiation exposures for Canoga 

20 Avenue workers during the time period in 

21 question. The Board concurs with this 

22 conclusion; (3) NIOSH determined that health 
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1 may have been endangered for the workers 

2 exposed to radiation in the facility during 

3 the time period in question. The Board 

4 concurs with this determination.

5 Based on these considerations and 

6 the discussions held at our February 9th 

7 through 11th, 2010 Advisory Board meeting in 

8 Manhattan Beach, California, and March 31st, 

9 2010, Board meeting conference call, the 

10 Board recommends that this Special Exposure 

11 Cohort Petition be granted. 

12 Enclosed is documentation from the 

13 Board meetings where this Special Exposure 

14 Cohort Class was discussed. Documentation 

15 includes transcripts from deliberations, 

16 copies of the petition, the NIOSH review 

17 thereof and related materials.

18 If any of these items are 

19 unavailable at this time, they will follow 

20 shortly.

21 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Jim.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Now can you do 
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1 the roll call?

2 MR. KATZ: Yes. Okay, and let me 

3 just note for the record that there are no 

4 Board member conflicts related to this. So, 

5 I'm just going to do this alphabetically. 

6 Dr. Anderson.

7 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

8 MR. KATZ: Ms. Beach.

9 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

10 MR. KATZ: Mr. Clawson.

11 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

12 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field. 

13 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

14 MR. KATZ: Mr. Gibson.

15 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

16 MR. KATZ: Mr. Griffon.

17 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

18 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lemen.

19 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

20 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lockey.

21 MEMBER LOCKEY: Yes.

22 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn.

3 MEMBER MUNN: Aye.

4 MR. KATZ: Dr. Poston. Okay, Dr. 

5 Poston, are you with us?

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I don't believe 

7 he is, Ted.

8 MR. KATZ: Okay. I recall I 

9 didn't hear him. Mr. Presley.

10 MEMBER PRESLEY: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Dr. Richardson.

12 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Dr. Roessler.

14 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield.

16 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: Dr. Ziemer.

18 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

19 MR. KATZ: Okay. That is 

20 unanimous with Dr. Poston absent and, 

21 according to Board procedures, I will pursue 

22 his vote subsequent to this meeting unless 
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1 he's joins the meeting today. Dr. Melius.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank 

3 you. The next item on our agenda is the 

4 University of Rochester Atomic Energy Project 

5 SEC Petition and Dr. Hughes will be giving us 

6 an update on data-capture issues.

7 DR. HUGHES: Okay. This is Lara 

8 Hughes. The SEC was presented to the Board at 

9 the October 2009 Board meeting and since then 

10 NIOSH has pursued actually six different leads 

11 from gathering data capture, well, actually 

12 five because the first one was done by Dr. 

13 Melius who contacted the State Labor Agency of 

14 New York, the state of New York, which did not 

15 believe that to any results or any data are 

16 found.

17 The second location was Hanford. 

18 The site was contacted because there were 

19 indications that the collection of Dr. J. 

20 Newall Stannard was sent there for record21 keeping. 

22 The search that was done at 
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1 Hanford yielded some search results. However, 

2 so far Hanford has been unable to actually 

3 locate the boxes that showed up in their 

4 search items.

5 There were record transfer sheets 

6 that indicated these records may have been 

7 transferred somewhere else and NIOSH is 

8 currently following up tracking down these 

9 records and, to give some background 

10 information, Dr. Stannard was I think -- let 

11 me see, Department Chair of the department at 

12 the University of Rochester for many years and 

13 he had a considerable collection of records, 

14 and it is our goal to actually look at these 

15 records to see if any bioassay data, usable 

16 bioassay data is contained in them.

17 The third location we looked at is 

18 Washington State University because there were 

19 indications that Hanford had actually loaned 

20 this collection that we're looking for to 

21 Washington State University, and to date, only 

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1 were located and reviewed and did not contain 

2 any records that pertained to the University 

3 of Rochester.

4 Follow-up with Washington State 

5 indicated that these records may not have

6 actually been sent there because of 

7 classification issues.

8 NIOSH has pursued this lead over 

9 the past few months and at the moment it looks 

10 like these records may have been transferred 

11 to the National Archives in Seattle. And this 

12 lead is currently being followed.

13 A fourth site that was 

14 investigated is the University of Tennessee at 

15 Knoxville which has a special collection 

16 library which had part of the -- what is 

17 called the Stannard Collection. At this time 

18 it is not clear if this is a separate 

19 collection or if this part of the initial 

20 number of boxes that we're looking for.

21 His collection consisted of 26 

22 boxes that were reviewed by a NIOSH data-
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1 capture team during the week of March 15, and 

2 52 documents were captured that related to the 

3 University of Rochester.

4 None of these records were related 

5 to bioassay data and some very limited source 

6 term information was found.

7 A fifth lead was NIOSH did an 

8 additional search at the Oak Ridge Operations 

9 Office Vault to search for classified or 

10 formerly classified information on the 

11 University of Rochester. 

12 This involved the review of 46 

13 boxes of records and the records were found 

14 recording film badge services that were 

15 provided by the University of Rochester but 

16 for other sites. No indication of bioassay

17 data existed in this collection.

18 And the last location that was 

19 checked is the National Archives and Records 

20 Administration in College Park, Maryland. 

21 This is the data capture that was ongoing 

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1 the Board in October 2009.

2 Since then, some data was received 

3 from the College Park facility in November 

4 2009 and an additional data-capture trip has 

5 been completed in February of 2010. During 

6 that search, 33 documents were captured that 

7 pertained to the University of Rochester in 

8 some form, but none are related to monitoring 

9 or source term data of any kind and have been 

10 found not to be relevant for any of the issues 

11 and that concludes my update. Do you have any 

12 questions?

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anybody have any 

14 questions for Lara?

15 MEMBER MUNN: It sounds like 

16 there's a pretty thorough search going on.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, but there 

18 are still some -- if I understood you 

19 correctly, some -- you're still waiting back 

20 to hear or to follow-up on some of these.

21 DR. HUGHES: Yes, that's correct, 

22 yes.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So I think we 

2 may have it updated at the May meeting?

3 DR. HUGHES: Yes.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, okay. 

5 Thanks. Next item on our agenda is the 

6 Chapman Valve and Blockson Chemical SEC 

7 Petitions. This item is on our agenda mainly 

8 for the new members of the Board and you were 

9 given lots of information to read about our 

10 review and deliberations on these two sites 

11 and I think this is if they had any additional 

12 technical questions about any of the materials 

13 they received or that -- not intending to have 

14 any sort of votes of follow-up on the --

15 Whoever is talking on the phone, 

16 could you please mute your phone because --

17 anyway.

18 I guess for the new Board members, 

19 do you have any questions on those two sites 

20 or the information on those two sites?

21 MEMBER ANDERSON: No, I don't.

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1 you at this time, David Richardson?

2 MEMBER RICHARDSON: I have -- I 

3 guess I do have one question. It's about --

4 there was a presentation last time about 

5 Blockson, and so, are we asking questions 

6 about both of these?

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, either one, 

8 I think.

9 MEMBER RICHARDSON: So Blockson, 

10 regarding Blockson, I'm wondering if -- I 

11 still have a sense of the variance in the 

12 estimates that are being assigned.

13 For example, what's the difference 

14 between -- everybody's getting -- at the 

15 facility is getting an assigned dose, right? 

16 It's not broken out by job title or area or 

17 anything like that at Blockson, correct?

18 DR. NETON: Correct. Dr. 

19 Richardson, this is Jim Neton. Are you 

20 talking about the radon exposure?

21 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes, about the 

22 radon exposure.
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1 DR. NETON: Everyone at Blockson 

2 Chemical would receive the exact same radon 

3 exposure which is the 95th percentile of the 

4 distribution of activities generated by the 

5 probabilistic model.

6 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Right, and so 

7 can you tell me what the mean of that is and 

8 what the 95th percentile is?

9 DR. NETON: The 95th percentile is 

10 17.6 picocuries per liter and I don't recall 

11 the mean. It was -- hang on here. I think 

12 the geometric mean was 4.2 picocuries per 

13 liter, yes, with a 92nd percentile of 17.6. 

14 If you generate the geometric 

15 standard deviation of that distribution, it 

16 equates a GSD of 2.9.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Is that helpful, 

18 David?

19 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes, that's 

20 helpful. Is it possible for you to create a -

21 - I could do it, but if you have a picture of 

22 the distribution.
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1 DR. NETON: Actually there's a 

2 picture that I was provided in one of the 

3 reports to the Board. I think it was one of 

4 the last reports that was provided in the 

5 database that was sent and it was generated on 

6 September 25, 2009 and that's where we compare 

7 the so-called Polish study data to the 

8 Blockson model, and there are two lines on a 

9 graph of Figure 1, the only figure in that 

10 22-page paper, and it does show a diagram that 

11 shows the distribution.

12 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Do you have 

13 the name of that document?

14 DR. NETON: The title is 

15 Evaluation of Blockson Chemical Radon Model 

16 Dated September 25, 2009.

17 If you go into the data files in -

18 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Blockson docs, 

19 SC&A and NIOSH.

20 DR. NETON: Right, and there's an 

21 Excel spreadsheet. If you click on that Excel 

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1 listing of all of the documents, and it's one 

2 of the latter documents in that database. I 

3 don't recall exactly -

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: David, I've got 

5 the document here, and I'll forward it to you.

6 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Okay.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: The email, I 

8 just happened to be able to pull it up 

9 quickly, so - from what I originally received 

10 it.

11 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Thank you.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That would be 

13 helpful. 

14 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Thanks.

15 MS. PINCHETTI: This is Kathy 

16 Pinchetti. I think that that was the whole 

17 question that's been going - that's been 

18 debated for the past couple of years is what 

19 we're basing that model on and if the Board 

20 even agrees that you're using the right 

21 information.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, maybe, 
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1 Kathy, you're the petitioner, correct?

2 MS. PINCHETTI: Right, yes.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, that's 

4 right. That's what I thought. Today we're 

5 not really going to be sort of debating or 

6 discussing the - trying to reach a decision on 

7 this. This is simply just to try to make sure 

8 that the new Board members who just recently 

9 joined the Board really at the last meeting 

10 have adequate information so that when we do 

11 discuss this which will be at the May Board 

12 meeting, they're ready and prepared to 

13 participate as we try to reach some closure on 

14 this.

15 MS. PINCHETTI: Okay, but the 

16 information that they're getting is that this 

17 has been an issue for quite awhile?

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, they had a 

19 full briefing at the last meeting and were 

20 given a lot of the background documents. It's 

21 just that it's a lot of documents, a lot of 

22 information and just to sort through, so we 
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1 just put this on the agenda this time in order 

2 to make sure if they had further questions 

3 before the meeting or needed additional 

4 documentation that they would have a chance to 

5 bring it up now.

6 MS. PINCHETTI: Okay, thanks.

7 MEMBER LEMEN: This is Richard 

8 Lemen. I don't have any need for more 

9 information.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And Bill Field. 

11 Bill, are you on the line?

12 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. I just -

14 if you had any additional questions on either 

15 Chapman or Blockson.

16 MEMBER FIELD: Yes, my question is 

17 focused on Chapman Valve.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

19 MEMBER FIELD: And I just wanted 

20 to know is there any - has there been any 

21 updates on sources of exposure that we sort of 

22 discussed at the last full meeting or is that 
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1 pretty much how things pretty much still 

2 stand?

3 DR. NETON: There is no new 

4 information to offer on other potential 

5 sources of exposures outside the activity that 

6 originally maybe covered the employees in the 

7 first place which is the sheeting -

8 COURT REPORTER: Hi, I'm sorry. 

9 This is the court reporter. Who is speaking -

10 identify themselves.

11 DR. NETON: I'm sorry. This is 

12 Jim Neton. Outside of the machining of sludge 

13 from the Brookhaven Research Reactor, there is 

14 no other information that we have been able to 

15 find that indicates any other activities 

16 occurred there that were AEC related.

17 MEMBER FIELD: And, Jim, I just 

18 wanted to verify. The claimants for this 

19 site, does this pretty much agree with what 

20 they report as well?

21 DR. NETON: Yes, we - yes.

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1 had.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other 

3 questions or comments on either of those sites 

4 from the new members? Okay. If not, thank 

5 you, and we'll be discussing these at our next 

6 meeting. 

7 The next item on our agenda is the 

8 discussion of the NIOSH ten-year program 

9 review, and this was on our agenda. We had a 

10 presentation at the beginning of the meeting 

11 on our last Board meeting. We really didn't 

12 have much time for discussion, and we just 

13 want a chance - if anybody had any follow-up 

14 questions or comments or suggestions for that 

15 review to give you an opportunity to say so.

16 I will indicate that when the 

17 Outreach Working Group met recently, they were 

18 briefed by the NIOSH staff that are involved 

19 in the outreach portions of this review to try 

20 to coordinate and comment on that, so I think 

21 - I know, Mike Gibson, if you have any 

22 comments on that.
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1 MEMBER GIBSON: No additional 

2 comments, Jim. We're going to work with them 

3 and see how we can coordinate our efforts.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anybody else 

5 have any comments. I don't know if Lew Wade's 

6 on the phone.

7 DR. WADE: Yes, I am, Jim.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Lew, do 

9 you want to give us an update on where things 

10 are?

11 DR. WADE: Just work is 

12 proceeding. In fact, I'm here in Cincinnati 

13 to meet with a team that's looking at the 

14 science issues, so work is proceeding.

15 I would like before the next Board 

16 meeting in May to have completed the Phase 1 

17 report on the individual dose reconstruction 

18 review and have that available to the Board, 

19 and I would present that at the meeting not 

20 only to focus on some of those issues but to 

21 give you an idea of the form that this Phase 1 

22 review will take.
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1 As you recall, the Phase 1 review 

2 is intended to be data driven assessment of 

3 program activities. We would assemble those 

4 five reports, individual DR, SEC, science 

5 issues, timing issues, and customer service 

6 issues. Once those Phase 1 reports were 

7 completed and reviewed by the Board, then John 

8 Howard would assemble a team that would take 

9 those and use those to trigger analysis of 

10 potential program improvements.

11 So I'd commit now to have one of 

12 those Phase 1 reports, the one on individual 

13 dose reconstructions, available to the Board 

14 to review and comment upon when you meet in 

15 May.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. Thanks, 

17 Lew. Anybody have questions for Lew or 

18 comments on the review? 

19 Okay. If not, we'll move to the 

20 next item on our agenda which is the Facility 

21 Record Research Methods that DCAS uses. LaVon 

22 Rutherford.
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1 MR. RUTHERFORD: Yes, this is 

2 LaVon Rutherford, and can everyone hear me? 

3 At the February Board meeting - I 

4 was making sure I had my mute off - at the 

5 February Board meeting, the Advisory Board 

6 asked that I provide some detail to the 

7 Advisory Board concerning our efforts, DCAS's 

8 facility records search methods. I will 

9 briefly discuss our standard data search 

10 method and provide some detail as to how our 

11 SEC data captures our focus.

12 In general, I can say that the 

13 locations we've searched for records have 

14 changed over time. Based on our lessons 

15 learned from previous data captures and 

16 information we have uncovered from some of the 

17 large database searches that we've done, we've 

18 increased the standard location that we search 

19 for information.

20 The level of effort required or 

21 necessary for a data capture in support of a 

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1 largely on how much data and information we've 

2 already retrieved.

3 There's been considerable effort 

4 up to this point in large, early-on data 

5 captures that were done in development of Site 

6 Profiles in early evaluation, so there's been 

7 a lot of data captured for different 

8 facilities, so the level of effort required 

9 for these data captures is very much dependent 

10 on how much information we have.

11 A little bit about our standard 

12 data search, obviously searching for records 

13 to support dose reconstruction for a DOE site 

14 is typically much easier than searching for 

15 records for an AWE that may no longer exist.

16 For DOE facilities, our records

17 search is focused at the site if it's still in 

18 existence. If not in existence, we focus our 

19 efforts at the Federal records centers where 

20 the records would typically be transferred, 

21 also at the Legacy Management sites.

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1 the facility history and ownership. You know, 

2 did the owners change over time? If you 

3 remember from my United Nuclear presentation 

4 at the February Board meeting, our ownership 

5 changed - ownership at that site changed three 

6 or four different times over the period of 

7 operation.

8 Then we request information from 

9 each of those former owners and any current 

10 owner. A lot of times the specific facility 

11 records are transferred along with the 

12 ownership, so we may get a current owner 

13 that's operating the facility today may 

14 actually have information from a previous 

15 owner that was transferred to them when 

16 ownership was transferred.

17 Then we'll move onto state 

18 regulatory agencies that may have had some 

19 jurisdiction over the site. For example, 

20 United Nuclear, again, this is the one I 

21 presented at the last February - at the 

22 February Board meeting. 
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1 We requested information from the 

2 Missouri Department of Natural Resources, and 

3 we received five documents, so we do look at 

4 those state regulatory agencies. I know there 

5 were questions with the University of 

6 Rochester on whether we'd actually done that 

7 through New York, but we do typically look 

8 through those, and those are included in our 

9 data capture synopsis.

10 The National Archives and Records 

11 Administration or the Federal Record Centers, 

12 we do go to the Federal Records Centers' 

13 holdings for data on facilities. 

14 The Office of Scientific and 

15 Technical Information, OSTI, in addition to 

16 the internet searches we will do through OSTI, 

17 we also go to the site, OSTI, and request any 

18 documentation or information from sites in 

19 their classified holdings and such, stuff 

20 that's not available via the internet.

21 We've got a DOE grand junction 

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1 information from them as well.

2 Internet searches, one of our 

3 early lessons learned in the - not only mainly 

4 from an SEC perspective because that's where I 

5 felt it the most, one of the early lessons 

6 learned was standard Google search can be very 

7 helpful.

8 We have 136 key words that are 

9 standard words that are used in our internet 

10 searches. We add to that based on the site 

11 specifics associated with the evaluation or 

12 the Site Profile development and so on.

13 For example, again, from the 

14 United Nuclear evaluation, this is mine, so I 

15 know this. For example, again, in that United 

16 Nuclear evaluation, our Google search, we 

17 ended up retrieving 17 documents that we did 

18 not have prior to doing that search.

19 Also there are 11 databases that 

20 are searched. These are databases that 

21 contain site databases, they're DOE databases, 

22 DOE Comprehensive Epidemiologic Data Resource 
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1 CDER database, and these are researched for 

2 every one of these. It's not just - we don't 

3 just look at these and say, hey, I don't 

4 really think I need to search that. We search 

5 these.

6 DOE Hanford Declassified Document 

7 Retrieval System, the DDRS, DOE Legacy 

8 Management Considered Sites, National Academy 

9 Press', National Nuclear Security 

10 Administration, the NNSA, NRC ADAMS database 

11 which is the Agency-wide Document Access and 

12 Management System.

13 OSTI, we have three databases that 

14 are searched through their Energy Citations, 

15 Information Bridge, and OpenNet, and then 

16 Washington State University has a database for 

17 U.S. transuranium and uranium registries.

18 As we research a site, we will add 

19 additional keywords or search additional 

20 resources. For example, again back on United 

21 Nuclear we actually ended up - we got a hit 

22 that the Cincinnati Public Library may have 
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1 information on United Nuclear - free 

2 documentation from the Cincinnati Public 

3 Library from - so as we're searching and 

4 looking at information, we add in when we have 

5 a hit or when we have an idea that another 

6 source may be available.

7 Also, as we found with the 

8 University of Rochester research, searching 

9 key individual names may provide additional

10 information, and that's one place where we 

11 failed somewhat with the University of 

12 Rochester recognizing that the data actually -

13 the information could actually be stored in 

14 these databases by specific names of 

15 individuals that had a lot of responsibilities 

16 at these sites.

17 For SEC Petition Evaluations, 

18 during the early phase of our evaluation, and 

19 I'm going to kind of go back a little bit 

20 here, in our early phase of an evaluation, we 

21 define our potential SEC issues. 

22 These issues are derived from the 
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1 issues identified by the petitioner, issues 

2 that may have been brought up or identified by 

3 SC&A during a Site Profile review, issues that 

4 may have been brought up by DCAS or our 

5 contractor staff, and issues that we have 

6 dealt with with other sites that may have been 

7 an issue for that - for the site we're 

8 evaluating.

9 For example, we may have a new SEC 

10 Petition that we know thorium operations 

11 occurred. Obviously we have had issues with 

12 thorium in the past. Even if that was not 

13 identified by the petitioner, we would have 

14 looked at that as a potential issue that we 

15 need to evaluate.

16 Once we define our issues, we 

17 identify a path forward for resolving the 

18 issue. Resolution of an issue may require 

19 additional data capture. 

20 In this case, the data captures 

21 are focused on looking for specific 

22 information to resolve an issue. When we 
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1 complete our data capture efforts in support 

2 of an SEC evaluation, we put together a data 

3 capture synopsis.

4 As everyone has seen, at the back 

5 of the evaluations there's always attached a 

6 data capture synopsis. The synopsis 

7 identifies the locations where records were 

8 searched. It also provides a brief 

9 description of what - of the types of records 

10 that we found during that search and how many 

11 total number of documents as well as the date 

12 that it actually occurred.

13 So those are the things that we do 

14 in addition that are specific to SEC. That's 

15 what I have for the - pretty much all I have 

16 on the issues. Are there specific questions, 

17 or things that I didn't address?

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anybody have 

19 questions for LaVon? I would have sort of a 

20 comment. One is that I mean I don't 

21 necessarily view like the University of 

22 Rochester as your failure as much as - or that 
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1 somebody did something wrong or whatever. I 

2 just think it points out that how complicated 

3 and difficult it is and how it can - it is 

4 sort of following back on a trail.

5 I guess my question is that to me 

6 or maybe it's a comment, more of a comment, is 

7 that as you are working on a site or 

8 evaluating a site you're going to discover new 

9 information or new potential leads so that the 

10 attempt to identify documents in the data 

11 capture sort of needs to be an ongoing effort. 

12 I assume that it is. It's not - obviously 

13 you do it at the beginning, but it's also 

14 something that you would do if you go along in 

15 the development of a Site Profile or an SEC 

16 evaluation or later following up on a site.

17 MR. RUTHERFORD: And I think that 

18 adds an excellent point in that one of the big 

19 problems or the problems or issues that we 

20 deal with in balancing the - meeting the 180-

21 day SEC evaluation, we can go down and be 

22 evaluating information and you can recover 400 
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1 documents, and in that process of reviewing 

2 that 400 documents you find out that - a 

3 potential resource of information late in the 

4 game of evaluation that you need to go recover 

5 that information, and so it's our 

6 responsibility to bring that up to the DCAS 

7 director and make him aware of that that, you 

8 know, there's potentially information here 

9 that may help us resolve an issue or may 

10 actually identify a new issue that may force 

11 us to have to delay completion of our 

12 evaluation, and that is something that we 

13 struggle and deal with all the time.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anybody else 

15 have any questions or comments for LaVon?

16 MEMBER ZIEMER: This is Ziemer. I 

17 have a comment. 

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Go ahead, Paul.

19 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes, well, I just 

20 wanted to sort of compliment LaVon and the 

21 staff there for their efforts on data 

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1 To some extent they've had to 

2 learn as they've gone forward as well, and I 

3 know we all have frustrations from time to 

4 time when we feel in some cases like they 

5 haven't really addressed all the potential 

6 resources.

7 Sometimes that's kind of quirk as 

8 it was in the case of Rochester that we happen 

9 to know of some possible leads that they 

10 hadn't thought of, but I think in general we 

11 should be appreciative of the vast effort that 

12 the agency has made to uncover these 

13 documents.

14 MEMBER MUNN: I certainly agree 

15 with that. This is Wanda. There's no way 

16 we're ever going to be able to have perfect 

17 information, but it appears from the view of 

18 the person outside of the process that the 

19 number of sources that have been identified 

20 and have been followed up despite the numerous 

21 tangents that are required once we really get 

22 into a data set has been exemplary.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, 

2 Wanda. Anybody else have comments? If not, 

3 LaVon, you're still on for SEC Class 

4 Definition analysis update.

5 MR. RUTHERFORD: All right. I'll 

6 jump into that now. As we mentioned -

7 actually as I had presented at the February 

8 meeting, we have completed an assessment that 

9 looked at how Class Definitions have changed 

10 over time. At that meeting, I also mentioned 

11 based on that assessment we do recognize we 

12 have changed how we define Classes and because 

13 of that, we are going to review each Class 

14 Definition - and ensuring Class Definitions 

15 are properly defined.

16 Unfortunately we have not started 

17 our full-scale review of the Class 

18 Definitions, and that's because due to

19 resources being used to support meeting our 

20 June 1, 2010, date, we have been unable to 

21 fully start this process.

22 However, we will be presenting an 
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1 83.14 at the May Advisory Board meeting. That 

2 is part of this process. We will be proposing 

3 a Class for Los Alamos National Lab that will 

4 remove the current restrictions associated 

5 with technical areas, and it will become all 

6 employees, and that is based on a review of 

7 how we define that Class and the 

8 implementation of that Class and where we 

9 would define it today.

10 We anticipate our full-scale 

11 review will begin shortly after June 1, and 

12 our schedule for completing our review and the 

13 current status will be presented to the 

14 Advisory Board at the August 2010 meeting, and 

15 that's what I have on the SEC Class Definition 

16 analysis.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, LaVon. 

18 Any comments or questions? I actually have a 

19 comment to start off.

20 I think one of the things we'd be 

21 looking for, I think we talked about this at 

22 the last meeting, is also how this Class 
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1 Definition issue is coordinated with the 

2 Department of Labor. 

3 I believe we asked the Department 

4 of Labor to make a presentation at our May 

5 meeting on sort of - from their side the Class 

6 Definition issues and how we make them more 

7 workable for them, and I believe the 

8 Department of Energy also would like to be 

9 involved in that discussion, so I assume we're 

10 going ahead with that for the May meeting?

11 MR. KOTSCH: This is Jeff Kotsch 

12 of Labor. Yes, we're planning on it.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, good, 

14 because I think it would be helpful. I think 

15 it would also feed into this sort of 

16 retrospective review that NIOSH is doing or is 

17 about to start in June. 

18 Anybody else have any questions or 

19 comments? Okay if not, the next issue - let's 

20 see. Who is this? LaVon again, petition 

21 status update.

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1 give it so that I give everyone a little 

2 update on what we plan to present at the May 

3 meeting, new sites, and also have some updates 

4 for some questions that were brought up at the 

5 February Board meeting.

6 83.14s that we plan on - and Stu 

7 kind of stole my thunder a little bit - we 

8 plan on presenting De Soto, Downey, BWXT, and 

9 Los Alamos National Lab. The Los Alamos 

10 National Lab, 83.14, is the one I just 

11 mentioned briefly, and then De Soto and Downey 

12 are both 83.14s and BWXT.

13 As for 83.13s, we are currently 

14 planning to present the St. Louis Airport 

15 storage site. Hooker Electrochemical, we are 

16 working on an internal issue with that one, 

17 but right now we are scheduling to present 

18 that one.

19 Weldon Springs will be presented 

20 at this Board meeting as well, and potentially 

21 we would be presenting a revision to the Mound 

22 Evaluation Report. That is dependent on 
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1 whether the Work Group can get together and 

2 feels ready for us to make that presentation.

3 Also at the February Board 

4 meeting, I had a couple of action items that 

5 were given to me, and Ted was - thanks to Ted 

6 he reminded me on a couple of them because I 

7 had actually missed them.

8 One of them, we had held - the 

9 Board had held up action on Hangar 481 until 

10 the FOIA request had been received by the 

11 petitioner and it had given time to review 

12 that information, and I was asked to give a 

13 status on that.

14 The non-DOE records have been sent 

15 to the petitioner's representative, and NOISH 

16 has sent the DOE records to the DOE FOIA 

17 office for review and clearance.

18 Unfortunately I can't give you a 

19 good estimate when DOE records will be 

20 released by the FOIA office at this time. As 

21 soon as we are aware that they have been 

22 released, we will notify the Board.
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1 Also United Nuclear Core, the 

2 Board had requested a copy of the letter the 

3 petitioners sent to Larry Elliot concerning 

4 Westinghouse withholding data and the DCAS 

5 response. 

6 That was actually an email to 

7 Larry. It was a lengthy email. The email and 

8 the response are in the Advisory Board's 

9 folder for United Nuclear entitled Email - and 

10 the title for that file is Email from 

11 Petitioner to Larry Elliot.

12 There were a couple of issues 

13 brought up with United Nuclear that I could 

14 address with the TBD 6001 work group, but 

15 since it was brought up during the full Board 

16 meeting, I figure I'll respond to them now 

17 somewhat, and I'm sure it will get into more 

18 detail when we get into the Work Group.

19 A question was raised by the 

20 Advisory Board concerning Table 6-2 of the 

21 report. Table 6-2 provides an indication of 

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1 for the given years.

2 The Board asked if we could 

3 provide an update as to the number of film 

4 badge results for the 1958 through 1960 

5 period. That had a note of - an x note that 

6 indicated that data exists, but the specific 

7 number of samples collected or individuals 

8 monitored was not available.

9 As I looked at that a little 

10 closer, I realized our note is somewhat 

11 misleading. It is true that the data exists, 

12 but it exists in a summary report or client 

13 inspection report. 

14 The report indicates everyone was 

15 badged and the records maintained - are 

16 maintained for each individual. The report 

17 also indicates that average and maximum 

18 readings, however, at this time we have not 

19 received the individual data for the '58 

20 through 1960 period film badge data, so I 

21 wanted to clarify that.

22 Also Dr. Fields mentioned he would 
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1 like to see the document that discusses how 

2 they were controlling airborne levels for 

3 thorium, and I have placed that document in 

4 the Board's folders. It was actually in there 

5 already, but it's identified as SRDB number 

6 62430.

7 The last item is the United 

8 Nuclear schedule. I'd indicated that we were 

9 revising the Appendix associated with United 

10 Nuclear. We are revising that Appendix right 

11 now.

12 Our current schedule is that 

13 Appendix will not be approved and released 

14 until early July. We are working to pull that 

15 schedule back a little bit, but I want to give 

16 you that schedule now.

17 As soon as that Appendix is 

18 approved and released, I will notify the TBD 

19 6001 work group and let them know.

20 That's all I have.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. That was 

22 a lot. Questions for LaVon. I think after 
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1 you told us a number of petitions - Evaluation 

2 Reports you were going to present in Niagara 

3 Falls, I think everyone's afraid to ask 

4 questions. Afraid we were going to be there 

5 for a month.

6 MR. KATZ: Jim.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

8 MR. KATZ: It's Ted Katz. I just 

9 want to - one other thing that was in the 

10 transcripts, so I just would like to remind 

11 all of the Board members related to Hangar 481 

12 is that since we were not at this point at 

13 least setting up a work group for that, I 

14 think Dr. Melius had asked that all the Board 

15 members consider the material we have and to 

16 raise questions with DCAS as they might have 

17 them to prepare for a discussion related to 

18 Hangar 481, so I just want to remind you all 

19 that that's on all of your plates to consider 

20 what outstanding issues you might have. Thank 

21 you.

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1 Any other comments? If not, the next item on 

2 our agenda is update from Work Groups and 

3 Subcommittees, and I'm going to start by 

4 calling on the Subcommittees and Work Group 

5 Chairs for - the Chairs of the Work Group and 

6 Subcommittees that have met since our last 

7 meeting and then open it up if anybody else 

8 has any updates rather than try to go through 

9 a long list.

10 Mark, the Dose Reconstruction 

11 Review Subcommittee I believe met?

12 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, yes. 

13 Thanks, Jim. This is Mark Griffon. We did 

14 have a meeting, and we continued on our 

15 regular review of the findings, and we 

16 actually completed the sixth set of cases and 

17 nearly completed the seventh set of cases, and 

18 these are a reminder these are like groups of 

19 20 cases that we're reviewing.

20 We are well into the eighth set of 

21 cases. This is in the comment resolution 

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1 that the - I believe SC&A is working currently 

2 on the 12th set of cases, so along those 

3 lines, I guess the few things that came up at 

4 our meeting is first of all I believe SC&A is 

5 ready for an additional set of cases to be 

6 assigned, and we'd have to go through our 

7 normal process to do that where we ask NIOSH 

8 to generate a list of the available cases for 

9 review.

10 Then usually what we've done is

11 had the Subcommittee take an initial look at 

12 the list and come back with a recommended list 

13 to the full Board, and then the full Board 

14 votes on tasking SC&A to do the review.

15 Jim, if you remember that process 

16 I assume we would do the same for the next set 

17 of cases?

18 DR. NETON: Correct.

19 MEMBER ANDERSON: When do you 

20 expect to have that recommendation?

21 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, this is Mark 

22 Griffon again. I think that I have to work 
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1 through how we would do that with Stu. 

2 Usually it's a problem of logistics here, but 

3 we'd like to have - the Subcommittee has to 

4 meet and then the Board has to meet, so it's 

5 kind of a two-step process.

6 I don't want to let it delay too 

7 much farther, but I guess we would have to 

8 have another meeting of the Subcommittee 

9 before we could bring it to a full Board 

10 meeting.

11 It could be a phone call Board 

12 meeting though, so that might help us at least 

13 expedite it a little bit.

14 MEMBER ANDERSON: You mean a phone 

15 call Subcommittee meeting, Mark?

16 MEMBER GRIFFON: Well, yes, or we

17 could have a phone call Subcommittee meeting 

18 before the May meeting. That may be a 

19 possibility too.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, though 

21 either one you'd end up with - yes, you're 

22 right. We could do it at whatever the fall 
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1 meeting is after the May meeting.

2 COURT REPORTER: I'm sorry, who's 

3 speaking?

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: This is - I'm 

5 sorry. This is Jim Melius. By the way, that 

6 was Henry Anderson who asked the question 

7 before of Mark.

8 MEMBER ANDERSON: I'm sorry. I 

9 should have mentioned -

10 MEMBER GRIFFON: So I'll work with 

11 NIOSH and if timing allows it, we could try to 

12 get a phone call Dose Reconstruction 

13 Subcommittee meeting in prior to our Niagara 

14 meeting, and that way we could be in the 

15 position to select the cases for SC&A at the 

16 next full meeting in May.

17 That would be ideal. I'm just not 

18 sure if NIOSH has the time to - you know we 

19 have a couple of steps that NIOSH has to do 

20 here, selecting the cases and not only 

21 selecting but also determining whether we have 

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1 selection on, so they have to put together a 

2 matrix for us, and I will work with Stu via 

3 email or Brent, I'm not sure who, I guess both 

4 of you at this point would be involved from 

5 NIOSH, and we'll do the best we can.

6 If we can bring it to the next 

7 Board meeting, we will try to do that.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Mark, this is 

9 Jim again. I think if you're going to do 

10 that, you probably need to decide relatively 

11 quickly with NIOSH because if you are going to 

12 do a Subcommittee meeting, you need to 

13 announce it -

14 MEMBER GRIFFON: Right, right, 

15 right, you, it's got to happen real soon.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Just as another 

17 follow-up, the step after the cases are chosen 

18 is the Board Chair then assigns people to 

19 review the cases, so there's a previous - I 

20 can't remember the number on it that Ted just 

21 provided to me earlier this week for 

22 assignment - and so I will be making 
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1 assignments to people.

2 What my plan was, was to - it's a 

3 relatively long list, and I will continue to 

4 have two members of the Board assigned to each 

5 case. I will probably change the pairings 

6 again so that the new Board members are paired 

7 up with someone who's more experienced at 

8 least having gone through the process before 

9 because I think that will be helpful.

10 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, and, Jim, 

11 this is Mark Griffon again. Jim, that was the 

12 other item that came up at our meeting was 

13 that the 12th set done and they were ready to 

14 do the - so I believe that's the 12th set that 

15 you're referring to.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, sounds 

17 right, and I think you reminded Ted who then 

18 sent it to me.

19 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We're underway, 

21 and I'll try to do that by the end of the 

22 week.
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1 MEMBER GRIFFON: That's fine, 

2 that's fine, and the only other think I had to 

3 report for the Dose Reconstruction 

4 Subcommittee was we continued our work on the 

5 follow-up on the first hundred cases just to 

6 remind everyone, especially new Board members, 

7 we submitted a report on the first hundred 

8 cases that the Board reviewed to the 

9 Secretary, but then there was a request from 

10 the full Board that we do a follow-up I guess 

11 more specifically, so what do these particular 

12 findings mean, are there areas where we can 

13 recommend that NIOSH needs to focus or 

14 improve, issues like that.

15 What we've done at this point on 

16 the Subcommittee is we put together a draft 

17 letter outlining the primary issues sort of 

18 under three primary headers of the issues we 

19 found in these first hundred cases and what, 

20 if any, recommendations we as a Subcommittee 

21 feel NIOSH may take away from the first 

22 hundred case review, and we are in a position 
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1 now to bring that draft to the full Board in 

2 May, and I would like to - I have the draft 

3 ready.

4 I was going to distribute it to 

5 all Board members in preparation for the 

6 upcoming meeting so that we can discuss it at 

7 whatever time you would like to discuss it, 

8 Jim, and then move forward on that.

9 The only other - the report is a 

10 preliminary report because we've asked SC&A to 

11 do some follow-up on quality assurance and 

12 quality control findings. That's one of our

13 primary headers in this report, and they're in 

14 the process - they've actually at the last 

15 meeting selected cases and they're going to go 

16 back with NIOSH. It's sort of a dual process, 

17 NIOSH and SC&A working on this to determine 

18 why exactly some of these quality assurance 

19 errors occurred and to what extent, you know, 

20 if there's any trend or any change that has to 

21 be - that should be recommended from the NIOSH 

22 reconstruction standpoint.
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1 So that is - so this report is 

2 sort of preliminary, but it will give you a 

3 sense of what we have found to this point and 

4 we can at least get all Board members' input, 

5 so I'd like to present that at the May 

6 meeting.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks, 

8 Mark. Anybody have any questions for Mark? 

9 Okay, if not, Wanda, do you want to update us 

10 on the Procedures Work Group?

11 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, I certainly do. 

12 We had a significant action item list at this 

13 meeting since we had not met face to face 

14 since last November, and things do have a 

15 tendency to pile up.

16 During that hiatus, we had all 

17 been very concerned over the importance of the 

18 PERs, reviews which had never been really 

19 discussed at any great length with respect to 

20 what the process was going to be.

21 It seemed to most of us on the 

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1 addressing PERs are almost by definition 

2 different than addressing our review 

3 procedures rather than projects.

4 As a result, we spent a 

5 significant amount of our discussion time 

6 during that meeting working on that precise 

7 item. It was - I had hoped that I would be 

8 able to bring to you in written form at this 

9 meeting our expectation, our at least proposal 

10 for how to proceed. That suggested rough 

11 proposal has gone out to the Subcommittee 

12 itself, and we have worked on it. 

13 But this meeting only occurred 

14 last week, and the Subcommittee Chair seemed 

15 to have overestimated her physical ability to 

16 achieve some of these things in the period of 

17 time left to us.

18 The Subcommittee members do have 

19 suggestions, and I received one or two 

20 comments back which I think would be wise for 

21 us to perhaps pursue in a Subcommittee 

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1 on precisely what the details might be in one 

2 or two of these things, but let me read to you 

3 if you would the information that we sent to 

4 the Subcommittee to cover approximately what 

5 our discussions were distilled down to become 

6 during our meeting.

7 We have anticipated that at least 

8 on an annual basis and more often than that if 

9 necessary that our Board contractor, SC&A, 

10 will present to the Board a chart that shows 

11 the entire universe of PERs that are available 

12 up to that date. 

13 Whatever has been looked at at 

14 that time will be before us to make the 

15 choices. That chart will agree an assessment 

16 that SC&A will make regarding the complexity 

17 of any reviews that they might do, the number 

18 of potential dose reconstructions that might 

19 be involved, and a rough estimate of the costs 

20 that might be necessary to do that review. 

21 Now recognize that these cost 

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1 until the review is done and findings are 

2 placed before us, it's almost impossible to 

3 make any degree of certainty with respect to 

4 the number of issues that need to be viewed 

5 under an even stronger microscope than what we 

6 would have looked at to that point.

7 The chart is going to be arranged 

8 in the descending order of importance as 

9 perceived by the contractor rather than by the 

10 number, the category, or any other criteria.

11 If the Board's going to make a 

12 decision, we would request the Board to decide 

13 on two factors looking at that, at that full 

14 number of the PERs.

15 We will ask the Board to choose 

16 the number of reviews that are going to be 

17 done in the foreseeable future and secondly, 

18 which of those PER items that are listed will 

19 be chosen. 

20 That document or documents that 

21 are chosen will then be reviewed and findings 

22 will be delivered by SC&A in the usual manner 
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1 just as we have done with respect to 

2 procedures in the past.

3 The Procedures Subcommittee will 

4 perform their standard process on those 

5 findings including populating the database, 

6 proceeding with the resolution of the issues 

7 as we have always done.

8 When we complete the resolution of 

9 those findings, then SC&A will present the 

10 Dose Reconstruction Subcommittee with a list 

11 of applicable dose reconstructions that might 

12 be available under that PER, the assessment of 

13 the number and dose reconstructions which 

14 should be reviewed in their view and the 

15 criteria that were used as the basis for that 

16 assessment.

17 We would anticipate that those 

18 criteria would be different in many cases from 

19 the criteria that we would use when we are 

20 looking at procedures since the goal of 

21 procedure review is slightly different that 

22 the goal of Project Evaluation Review.
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1 Clearly there would be no surprise 

2 if the criteria would be different and would 

3 as a matter of fact possibly be different from 

4 case to case depending upon the type of 

5 project that was under review at the time.

6 When that number of dose 

7 reconstructions has been identified, then at 

8 this juncture we would suggest that this 

9 entire process move into the Dose 

10 Reconstruction Subcommittee's purview where 

11 that Subcommittee will make the determination 

12 as to whether the criteria and recommended 

13 numbers are acceptable or whether they should 

14 be changed, and that Subcommittee will follow 

15 their usual method for selecting cases for 

16 review.

17 That DR review would then be 

18 maintained as a separate grouping identified 

19 clearly as PER cases and not incorporated into 

20 the body of review that has been done from the 

21 usual dose reconstruction process.

22 One of the items that we have not 
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1 cleared completely at this juncture and may 

2 require a little more conversation is that - 

3 the Procedures Subcommittee is what transpires 

4 at the conclusion of this particular activity 

5 when the DR review is complete.

6 Then the report of completion 

7 including the results of all the work done 

8 will be put together by the Dose Review 

9 Subcommittee and transmitted to Procedures 

10 Subcommittee including all of that into the 

11 archive database that we have built over the 

12 past five years to track our actions.

13 We are very interested in making 

14 sure that this archive does not become simply 

15 a document hidden under layers of other 

16 documentation somewhere, and how we might make 

17 that available. 

18 What format it needs to take has 

19 not been adequately covered by our discussions 

20 today. We anticipate doing that and hopefully 

21 will have a more complete report available to 

22 you. My intention is to try to get our 
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1 expectations to the full Board prior to the 

2 upcoming meeting in New York so that you will

3 have an opportunity to look at it yourself.

4 This is of course a slightly more 

5 complex process than we have undertaken in the 

6 past and probably will require more than one 

7 review at our internal process before we come 

8 to a smooth operation of this activity.

9 In addition to that process was we 

10 were working through out action list we 

11 encountered one other electronic issue with 

12 the database. We thought we had worked all 

13 those out pretty well, but we have one case 

14 where we may be limited in the number of 

15 direct electronic connections we could make to 

16 other White Papers and supplementary files 

17 that are helpful to us when we're doing our 

18 usual Procedures Subcommittee work.

19 We're going to attempt to resolve 

20 that in the future so that we do not have a 

21 situation where it is difficult for anyone who 

22 works with the database to either find or to 
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1 easily get to any electronic White Paper or 

2 other pertinent information that we hope will 

3 be part and parcel of the final database.

4 I'm sorry that's such a long5 winded report, but there are a lot of details 

6 in what we're trying to do.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, 

8 Wanda. One question. I understood that the 

9 procedure for - the review procedure was 

10 accepted by the Subcommittee, but you're 

11 saying you're not ready yet. Is that -

12 MEMBER MUNN: We have not 

13 addressed that fully. We have tentatively 

14 accepted it, but it has - we're working in a 

15 process where SC&A has actually done one such 

16 straw man for us.

17 In doing that there are four 

18 specific items that they have suggested that 

19 they perform, and they performed the first 

20 three of those on their straw man. The 

21 fourth part of their recommendation is the 

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1 reviews themselves.

2 This has not yet been done because 

3 we have not worked through this process that I 

4 have just suggested we address in the choice 

5 of dose - of claimant files to be reviewed, 

6 and that would have been Item 4 on the straw 

7 man that SC&A has presented to us.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. I guess 

9 my question is I - reading through this, the 

10 material - SC&A actually proposed prior to the 

11 February Board meeting that they sort of 

12 divide the PER reviews into two phases, a 

13 Phase 1 and then a Phase 2 that would involve 

14 the individual dose reconstruction reviews and 

15 the recommendation on that because that would 

16 essentially have to follow some of the 

17 findings from the initial review.

18 MEMBER MUNN: Correct

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So I guess my 

20 question is does the Subcommittee feel they're 

21 ready to let SC&A start on the Phase 1 PER 

22 reviews or would you rather wait until you 
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1 sort of fleshed out the procedure some more?

2 MEMBER MUNN: Unless I am mistaking 

3 the intent of the conversations that we had 

4 during our deliberations, I believe it was the 

5 feeling of the Subcommittee that we would like 

6 to work this existing straw man through to see 

7 at least how the choice of DRs is going to 

8 play out, how many we are going to require for 

9 any given PER and what the criteria are going 

10 to be to select which of the potential doses 

11 underneath that PER would be most - of most 

12 interest and be the most directly serving the 

13 person that we're trying to have perform these 

14 PERs to begin with.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. That - I 

16 understand that then. Does anybody else have 

17 any questions?

18 MEMBER ZIEMER: This is Ziemer. 

19 Can I address an issue too?

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Sure.

21 MEMBER ZIEMER: Related to this -

22 I think in the agenda there was a suggestion 
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1 that perhaps we could do some tasking of SC&A 

2 on the PER issue. One of the sort of carry3 over questions, and it's not clear to me that 

4 this has been resolved yet, is how the Board 

5 actually goes about making the selection of 

6 those PERs with respect to conflicts of 

7 interest.

8 For example, on the list that I 

9 think we all got, which is the SC&A list of 

10 all of the Program Evaluation Reports, and 

11 it's sorted by numbers of cases affected. It's 

12 assorted by how complex the selection criteria 

13 and the science issues are.

14 On that list, we have for example 

15 the highly insoluble plutonium issue. We have 

16 a Hanford TBD. We have construction trades. 

17 We have dosimetry records from Argonne. We 

18 have Los Alamos Lab. 

19 There were questions on how one20 how the Board would do the tasking with 

21 respect to conflicts of interest. Has that 

22 been resolved yet?
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think Ted's 

2 going to speak to that a little bit. Actually 

3 It's the - a little bit farther down the 

4 agenda in terms of some of this, but you're 

5 right. 

6 MEMBER ZIEMER: Really sort of 

7 that issue coupled with whether or not the 

8 Subcommittee feels that the review approach is 

9 fully in place.

10 We have the SC&A - I think 

11 everybody got the SC&A document on how they 

12 propose to review the PERs, right?

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

14 MEMBER MUNN: I think so.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That was 

16 circulated to everybody, and then I circulated 

17 documents basically proposing - took the first 

18 four Phase 1 - first four on the list that had 

19 a - John Mauro had already done a cost 

20 estimate on. The first one, O21 12, the plutonium suppress, they - it's mostly 

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1 reconstruction review issue, so I'm just 

2 trying to see if we - the Subcommittee was 

3 ready. I wanted us to be ready to do some 

4 tasking. I think what Wanda is saying is the 

5 Subcommittee is not ready in terms of the 

6 procedure and then secondly there are some 

7 issues resolved - learning how do we do the 

8 tasking, though I think this really applies to 

9 a lot of other assignments also.

10 MEMBER MUNN: The Subcommittee is 

11 very close, Jim.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That's fine.

13 MEMBER MUNN: I don't think we 

14 have any major problems here. It's just a 

15 matter of working through the minutiae and 

16 trying to make sure that we don't have to 

17 second guess ourselves too much once we get 

18 underway.

19 I think the general consensus 

20 among the Subcommittee members was that the 

21 addition of our new Board members will be very 

22 helpful to us in addressing our concerns that 
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1 we always have with respect to conflict 

2 methods.

3 There certainly will almost always 

4 be - we couldn't imagine a situation where 

5 there would not be an adequate number of 

6 unconflicted Board members available at the 

7 decision-making point to be able to make these 

8 decisions.

9 Further, the mere fact that we're 

10 talking about a program review rather than an 

11 internal procedure makes the conflict of 

12 interest issue not quite the same, so this, we 

13 felt, was an issue that the Board itself was 

14 going to have to decide. 

15 We don't, as a Subcommittee of the 

16 Board, then decide what the Board will and 

17 will not do, which in effect is a conflict of 

18 interest.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I appreciate 

20 that. Anybody else have comments or 

21 questions? So I think what we'll - I think 

22 later on in the agenda we'll talk about the 
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1 conflict issue, but I think we'll be ready to 

2 proceed hopefully by the May meeting to move 

3 forward on this. 

4 At least we'll see when the 

5 Subcommittee is ready.

6 MEMBER MUNN: We will - the 

7 Subcommittee will meet by telephone prior to 

8 that time, and we will hopefully have written 

9 some material.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank 

11 you. Okay. The other Work Group that met 

12 since the last meeting was the Worker Outreach 

13 Work Group. Mike Gibson, do you want to give 

14 us an update?

15 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes, Jim, we met. 

16 We had a good meeting, I think. We went over 

17 how -

18 MEMBER MUNN: We've lost Mike.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

20 MEMBER MUNN: Or I've lost -

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I thought we 

22 lost everybody for a second.
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1 MEMBER ANDERSON: Oops, I was on 

2 mute. No. I'm here. I'm here.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Ted, are 

4 you still on?

5 MR. KATZ: Yes, I'm here.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. I guess 

7 we just lost Mike.

8 MEMBER MUNN: Have we lost Mike 

9 again?

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I don't think we 

11 ever got him back. Okay. While we're waiting 

12 for Mike to come back on, are there any other 

13 Work Group Chairs that want to provide an 

14 update? You don't need to, but -

15 MEMBER ANDERSON: As the new Chair 

16 of the 6001 Work Group, we've got - we've 

17 begun to get our assignments but we haven't 

18 met yet. 

19 MEMBER BEACH: Jim, this is Josie. 

20 I do have a short update for Mound. The 

21 Mound Work Group is scheduled to do five 

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1 and will travel to Germantown to review 

2 documents.

3 Both the interviews and the 

4 document reviews will be conducted in a secure 

5 location, and as you heard earlier from LaVon, 

6 DCAS will be issuing a revision to the mound 

7 petition evaluation in April, and they will be 

8 recommending a Class associated with the 

9 radon exposures.

10 The Work Group is working to 

11 schedule a conference call to discuss that 

12 issue before the May meeting, so we hope to be 

13 ready for them to present and us to make a 

14 recommendation.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, Josie. 

16 Any other Work Groups?

17 MEMBER ROESSLER: Jim, this is Gen 

18 Roessler. A quick update on Linde. Since our 

19 last meeting there was a technical call 

20 between SC&A and OCAS. We expect some 

21 materials to come from that, and we have an 

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1 We hope to pull things together 

2 and then make a report at the meeting in 

3 Niagara Falls.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank 

5 you.

6 MEMBER GIBSON: Jim, this is Mike.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, Mike. 

8 Welcome back, Mike. We lost you there for -

9 MEMBER MUNN: Mike who?

10 MEMBER GIBSON: Mike Gibson. My 

11 battery died on my phone.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Oh, is that what 

13 it was? Okay. You were just starting your 

14 Work Group report. We went on and did a few 

15 others while we were waiting for you to get 

16 back on. Go ahead, Mike.

17 MEMBER GIBSON: Okay. As I said, 

18 we met in Cincinnati, and we had a discussion 

19 with CDC and DCAS personnel about their ten20 year review on worker outreach, how our 

21 mission and their mission overlaps and where 

22 it doesn't, and made some progress there.
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1 We also looked at our 

2 implementation plan and did some initial 

3 tasking to SC&A to get that underway, so I 

4 think we made some progress and hopefully 

5 we'll have another meeting here in the next 

6 probably couple of months, and get things 

7 underway to further the record.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Great, thanks, 

9 Mike. Any other Work Group Chairs with 

10 updates they'd like to -

11 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes, Jim, this is 

12 Brad. It's been a long time coming, but we 

13 finally got a Work Group set up for Pantex, 

14 and it's going to be coming up I believe it's 

15 May fifth, fourth or fifth.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Congratulations, 

17 Brad.

18 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes, it's been a 

19 long time coming.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We'll set off 

21 fireworks or something.

22 MEMBER CLAWSON: You better not do 
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1 that. 

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: For my own Work 

3 Groups that I chair, Surrogate Data and the 

4 SEC Issues, we also have Work Group meetings 

5 scheduled the week before our Niagara Falls 

6 meeting. I can't remember the exact dates, 

7 but Surrogate Data is meeting by conference 

8 call, and we'll have an in-person meeting of 

9 the SEC Issues Work Group mainly to focus on 

10 the 250-day issue.

11 MEMBER ZIEMER: This is Ziemer. 

12 I'll just fill that part in. The SEC Work 

13 Group is on May 11th, and the Surrogate Data 

14 conference call is on the 13th of May, and 

15 then I'll also report TBD 6000 which I think 

16 is officially renamed now since we have a 

17 separate TBD 6001 Work Group. TBD 6000 is 

18 meeting on the 12th in Cincinnati, May 12.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Anybody 

20 else? Okay, thank you, and the next item is 

21 new Work Group assignments. Actually Henry 

22 and Paul have just pointed out, I did appoint 
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1 a 6001 Work Group which is the offspring of 

2 the original TBD 6000-6001 Work Group with 

3 Henry Anderson as the Chair and the other 

4 members are Mark Griffon and Bill Field, and 

5 Mark is sort of the liaison or the coordinator 

6 with the 6000 group, so that group - I also 

7 appointed Dick Lemen to the - Richard Lemen to 

8 the Procedures Work Group. I believe he 

9 attended the recent meeting of that Work 

10 Group.

11 There are - there is one Work 

12 Group from our last meeting I still need to 

13 appoint. That's the one for Lawrence Berkeley 

14 National Labs. I'll try to do this week, and 

15 then one other issue came up and we may talk a 

16 little bit more about this when we talk about 

17 the SC&A tasking, but in reviewing sort of 

18 Site Profiles, one Site Profile had not been 

19 reviewed by SC&A but also Site Profiles that 

20 had been reviewed but there'd never been a 

21 Work Group and any resolution of the comments 

22 on those. 
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1 That included the Portsmouth and 

2 Paducah sites which essentially are SECs, but 

3 there are Site Profile issues there, and we -

4 going through those, I asked John Mauro to do 

5 a quick review of what needed to be done, so 

6 we need to do some Site Profile review 

7 updating since those reviews were done a few 

8 years ago, and there are some significant 

9 changes to the Site Profile.

10 At the same time we'll also 

11 propose a new Work Group be assigned to review 

12 those sites, and I think we can combine those 

13 since those sites are quite similar. That and 

14 it might be more efficient to have one Work 

15 Group reviewing those, so we're going to 

16 propose that we also establish a Work Group 

17 for that review.

18 Any questions on that? Okay. Ted 

19 Katz, managing conflicts when tasking SC&A. 

20 MR. KATZ: Thanks, Jim. I was 

21 actually talking before but, muted, to myself. 

22 I just wanted to note before we got onto 
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1 that, with the Portsmouth Paducah, I think the 

2 thought was that X-10 folds in with those two 

3 possibly as a Work Group subject.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Correct, and I 

5 also think we probably need formal Board 

6 action to establish a Work Group.

7 MR. KATZ: Right.

8 MR. HINNEFELD: This is Stu 

9 Hinnefeld in Cincinnati. I think K25 would be 

10 the plan that's more similar. It's the -

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Right, right, 

12 it's K-25. Can we have a motion to establish 

13 a Work Group to review the Site Profiles on 

14 Portsmouth, Paducah, and K-25?

15 MEMBER CLAWSON: I make a motion. 

16 This is Brad. I make a motion to set up a 

17 Work Group to review these.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thank 

19 you. Second to that?

20 MEMBER BEACH: This is Josie. I 

21 second it.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. I guess 
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1 since we're on a call I guess, Ted, you need 

2 to do a roll call or can we can do this by -

3 MR. KATZ: I think we do need to 

4 do this by roll call because there are people 

5 who have conflicts.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, Okay, 

7 that's what I thought.

8 MR. KATZ: For K-25.

9 MEMBER MUNN: We'll clarify here 

10 that we are establishing a single Work Group 

11 for these three, correct?

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Correct.

13 MR. KATZ: That's correct, and I 

14 assume the Board members know that they have 

15 the K-25 conflict, but let me see if I can't 

16 do the roll call accordingly so that we don't 

17 call for a vote from the person who's 

18 conflicted, so let me just check that quickly 

19 before I do. 

20 Okay, I've got it. I think I've 

21 got it here. Okay. If I miss someone who has 

22 a conflict, you know who you are, but 
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1 otherwise I'm going to call the roll without 

2 the individuals who have conflicts, so Henry 

3 Anderson.

4 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

5 MR. KATZ: Josie Beach.

6 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

7 MR. KATZ: Brad Clawson.

8 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

9 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field.

10 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Mr. Gibson.

12 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Mr. Griffon.

14 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lemen.

16 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

19 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn.

20 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

21 MR. KATZ: Dr. Poston, oh, that's 

22 right. I'm sorry. Dr. Poston is absent. Dr. 
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1 Richardson.

2 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

3 MR. KATZ: Great. Dr. Roessler.

4 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

5 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield.

6 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

7 MR. KATZ: And Dr. Ziemer.

8 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

9 MR. KATZ: Okay, so that's 

10 unanimous for all members who are able to vote 

11 present. 

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks. 

13 Now, Ted, we have the issue of managing 

14 conflicts when tasking SC&A.

15 MR. KATZ: Yes, thank you.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: We just had an 

17 example.

18 MR. KATZ: We do. This is how we'll 

19 handle - Jim, you're absolutely right that 

20 it's not just for PERs that the issue arises. 

21 It also can arise for procedures where it 

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1 number of sites but not all sites. It's not a 

2 general matter.

3 I have not gotten - for those 

4 complicated cases, and they're really only -

5 they're a small minority. The high-fired I 

6 think is one of them, the PER. Other than 

7 those, and I don't have resolution there, so I 

8 can't give guidance on how we'll handle 

9 tasking for that, but for everything else 

10 where it's site specific, and that's the only 

11 cases it would matter where it's site 

12 specific, whether it's a Site Profile or a 

13 PER, I had discussed this at the February 

14 meeting right now the interim guidance that I 

15 have for how to do that is simply to have the 

16 member in a face-to-face meeting certainly to 

17 recuse on the record and then leave or none of 

18 us leave the table actually when it's a joint 

19 discussion like with PER but simply to recuse 

20 on the record for the discussion in advance of 

21 the discussion on that site and then at the 

22 point of voting, obviously that person would 
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1 be recused as well, meaning not vote, but they 

2 could stay at the table.

3 So - and then it's just we're 

4 following in effect a modified version of that 

5 for a teleconference where I think it's more 

6 efficient for me probably to identify the 

7 individuals who were recused than having to go 

8 through that definitely in advance of the 

9 discussion.

10 So I've actually - if there aren't 

11 any questions about that, I was actually going 

12 to address that for the upcoming tasking that 

13 you have.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

15 MR. KATZ: Okay, so I assume we're 

16 not going to be discussing the PERs then based 

17 on the discussion we just had, but there a 

18 number of Site Profiles that Jim sent around 

19 to propose the possibilities for tasking.

20 Let me just identify the 

21 individuals who are recused from those 

22 particular ones, and there's only two. That 
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1 is - and one is absent anyway when it comes to 

2 West Valley. Dr. Poston is absent, so there's 

3 no issue there.

4 For Portsmouth, Dr. Lockey is 

5 recused from the discussion as well as the 

6 voting, and that's it for these three - West 

7 Valley, Paducah, and Portsmouth, as far I 

8 know. 

9 If any one of you, of course, 

10 knows of a conflict that I don't know of, you 

11 can recuse yourself.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thanks, Ted. 

13 Any questions on the general issue, on the 

14 conflict of interest/tasking issue? At some 

15 point if it ever gets so complicated, we may

16 even have to sort of split up the tasking in 

17 some way when it - I think there are ways to 

18 deal with it.

19 Either that or we let Henry vote 

20 on everything to decide since he has no 

21 conflicts, at least the last I checked.

22 In terms of SC&A assignments, 
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1 we're not going to do the PERs, but there are 

2 two - you all received an email from John 

3 Mauro that there were some issues with the 

4 tasking we did last time that - some had to do 

5 with the Santa Susana, the other site was 

6 folded into Hanford, so three of the Site 

7 Profiles we assigned weren't - really there 

8 wasn't work to be done on them or the work 

9 would be done under other auspices.

10 I think for the Canoga and De Soto

11 sites which are part of Santa Susana, it made 

12 more sense to - since the Work Group was 

13 meeting to let the Work Group deal with those 

14 issues rather than us trying to assign 

15 anything.

16 It wasn't even clear that there 

17 needed to be any additional Site Profile 

18 reviews on those sites - work, but the - let 

19 the Work Group decide that when they meet.

20 Just sort of going through the 

21 list quickly, on the next site down I believe 

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1 New York which is the site - about 75 or 

2 something like that requests there, cases that 

3 have been filed there, but it is something 

4 that - where the Site Profile needs to be 

5 reviewed, so I think that would be the first 

6 one we would propose, and I guess we need to 

7 do these separately so we need to do a motion 

8 to assign that to the SC&A for review?

9 MEMBER CLAWSON: Go ahead, Josie.

10 MEMBER BEACH: This is Josie. I 

11 recommend that we assign SC&A the tasking of 

12 West Valley site from our review.

13 MEMBER CLAWSON: I second it. 

14 This is Brad.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Ted, do 

16 you need to do this?

17 MR. KATZ: Yes, why don't I do it. 

18 Really there are no individuals recused, but 

19 since we're on the telephone -

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

21 MR. KATZ: Why don't I just do it 

22 - if everybody just responds as quickly as 
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1 possible. Dr. Anderson.

2 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

3 MR. KATZ: Ms. Beach.

4 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

5 MEMBER ZIEMER: A point of order -

6 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

7 MEMBER ZIEMER: - before you vote. 

8 Could I raise a point of order?

9 MR. KATZ: Yes.

10 MEMBER ZIEMER: There's been some 

11 discussions the last month or so. I think Ted 

12 maybe - I'm not sure how widespread these are 

13 amongst the Board in terms of the tasking of 

14 the contractor, but we did have some 

15 discussions. By we I'm talking about 

16 certainly Dr. Melius and I did when we were 

17 working in terms of how we will evaluate the 

18 work of our contractor, and one of the issues 

19 that came up was specificity in tasking, and 

20 are we going to - perhaps not ready for that 

21 yet, but a general tasking like we're doing 

22 right now is pretty broad and doesn't seem to 
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1 have a lot of sort of restriction parameters 

2 on it.

3 I'm just wondering how this is 

4 going to play out in terms of going forward 

5 with tasking of the contractor and the issues 

6 of specificity in tasking.

7 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: This is Jim 

8 Melius. I guess my response on this is that 

9 we have a procedure I believe we adopted a 

10 long time for Site Profile reviews, and so 

11 since this is the first time that this site is 

12 being reviewed, the Site Profiles, and it's -

13 I think it's essentially tasking them to 

14 follow that procedure and, you know John has 

15 prepared a cost estimate based on I believe 

16 it's $60,000 based on what is the standard 

17 Site Profile review given the size of that 

18 Site Profile and complexity.

19 Let me just finish a second. The 

20 issue of specificity I think was more of an 

21 issue with work groups assigning SC&A 

22 particularly during the SEC evaluations or on 
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1 follow-up of a Site Profile issue where NIOSH 

2 and SC&A may disagree. The Work Group wants 

3 to assign SC&A to do follow-up.

4 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes, I agree with 

5 that. I'd like to move forward in support of 

6 this motion. I do think that when we reach 

7 that point of talking about the issue broadly, 

8 we probably should look at the full scope of 

9 even Site Profile tasking in terms of what 

10 does that mean.

11 Obviously we have a quote in a 

12 sense here, but these are not firm quotes.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

14 MEMBER ZIEMER: I just want to 

15 make sure as we go forward we don't lose sight 

16 of the fact that we need to be fairly tight as 

17 we go forward both for our benefit and for the 

18 contractor so that they can have a fair 

19 evaluation too that the parameters that 

20 they're working against are very clear.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: No, I think it's 

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1 for the next issue, Paducah and Portsmouth, 

2 John Mauro has actually identified particular 

3 issues that from the old Site Profile review 

4 that would be need then to be updated because 

5 NIOSH has updated the Site Profile and so that 

6 was - there is specificity and actually I 

7 think in the future if I were doing this at 

8 another Board call it would be to add - maybe 

9 should add the specificity to the - so to 

10 speak to the motion or to the proposal so that 

11 it's clear, but there is background 

12 documentation that I have from John, I can't 

13 remember who he copied it to other than I know 

14 Ted for sure, that has that information in it.

15 So when we're - go to task on the 

16 next one, there are specific areas that would 

17 be reviewed and so it's not a wide open - you 

18 know, review the whole Site Profile again. 

19 It's just particular specific areas that have 

20 been updated, and then there are some that are 

21 left to the discretion of the Work Group to 

22 decide on what further work would do.
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1 I mean some where it's clear cut 

2 and others it should wait until the Work Group 

3 to weigh in on. 

4 MEMBER ZIEMER: Thank you for 

5 clarifying that. Sorry to interrupt. 

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: No, I actually 

7 had that as the next sort of sub-agenda item 

8 to talk about. Anyway, go ahead.

9 MR. KATZ: Thank you, Paul. I 

10 don't recall whether I got Josie's vote. Ms. 

11 Beach.

12 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: And then Mr. Clawson.

14 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field.

16 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: Mr. Gibson.

18 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

19 MR. KATZ: Mr. Griffon.

20 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

21 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lemen.

22 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.
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1 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lockey.

2 MEMBER LOCKEY: Yes.

3 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

5 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn.

6 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

7 MR. KATZ: Mr. Presley.

8 MEMBER PRESLEY: Yes.

9 MR. KATZ: Dr. Richardson.

10 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Dr. Roessler.

12 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield.

14 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Dr. Ziemer.

16 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: That's unanimous.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. The other 

19 issue for the tasking is the Paducah and 

20 Portsmouth updates, and again I think you've 

21 heard the explanation. These are Site 

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1 ago. There's never been a Work Group. We 

2 need to sort of resolve the comments and - but 

3 before doing that it made sense to update the 

4 Site Profile reviews. No sense having them 

5 review old information, and so there are, as I 

6 mentioned, specific areas that have been 

7 identified where updating would be needed. 

8 The estimated cost on that is about $10,000.

9 I guess we would need a motion to 

10 task SC&A on Portsmouth and Paducah. I think 

11 we can - can we do them together?

12 MR. KATZ: No, we can't because we 

13 have a difference between the two with the 

14 conflict.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, then we 

16 need an update on - a motion to update 

17 Paducah.

18 MEMBER CLAWSON: This is Brad. I 

19 make a motion to update Paducah.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Your turn, Brad.

21 MEMBER CLAWSON: Okay. Second or 

22 what?
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: No, no, you've 

2 got the first. Who wants the second?

3 MEMBER ANDERSON: I'll second it.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Henry Anderson 

5 seconds. Go ahead, Ted.

6 MR. KATZ: Okay. Thank you. Dr. 

7 Anderson.

8 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

9 MR. KATZ: Ms. Beach.

10 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Mr. Clawson.

12 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field.

14 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Mr. Gibson.

16 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

17 MR. KATZ: Mr. Griffon.

18 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

19 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lemen.

20 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

21 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lockey.

22 MEMBER LOCKEY: Yes.
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1 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

3 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn.

4 MEMBER MUNN: Aye, yes.

5 MR. KATZ: Got it. Mr. Presley.

6 MEMBER PRESLEY: Yes.

7 MR. KATZ: Dr. Richardson.

8 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

9 MR. KATZ: Dr. Roessler.

10 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

11 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield.

12 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Dr. Ziemer.

14 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

15 MR. KATZ: Okay, unanimous. One 

16 member is absent, Dr. Poston.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And we need a 

18 motion to task SC&A to update the Site Profile 

19 review on Portsmouth. Do I have a motion?

20 MEMBER CLAWSON: I move. This is 

21 Brad. I move to do it for Portsmouth.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Second to that?
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1 MEMBER BEACH: This is Josie. I 

2 second it.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Josie 

4 Beach seconds it. Go ahead, Ted.

5 MR. KATZ: Okay. Thank you. Dr. 

6 Anderson.

7 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

8 MR. KATZ: Ms. Beach.

9 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

10 MR. KATZ: Dr. Clawson.

11 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

12 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field.

13 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

14 MR. KATZ: Mr. Gibson.

15 MEMBER GIBSON: Yes.

16 MR. KATZ: Mr. Griffon.

17 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

18 MR. KATZ: Dr. Lemen.

19 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

20 MR. KATZ: Dr. Melius.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

22 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn.
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1 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: Mr. Presley.

3 MEMBER PRESLEY: Yes.

4 MR. KATZ: Mr. Richardson.

5 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

6 MR. KATZ: Dr. Roessler.

7 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

8 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield.

9 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

10 MR. KATZ: Dr. Ziemer.

11 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

12 MR. KATZ: So that's unanimous 

13 with Dr. Lockey recused, and Dr. Poston is 

14 absent. CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, 

15 fine. I just want to add briefly Ted 

16 circulated a document on evaluation of SC&A 

17 performance, sort of, process. It also dealt 

18 with some of the tasking issues, and Dr. 

19 Ziemer and I worked with him on that document, 

20 so it reflects our input and I don't know, 

21 Ted, if you heard back from any of the Board 

22 members on it, but basically in terms of - and 
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1 the tasking was essentially just a reminder on 

2 some of the parameters on that, and the 

3 performance was just to make sure that we had 

4 a process in place so that, you know, 

5 particularly Work Group Chairs. 

6 If there are any issues about 

7 performance that they communicate those so we 

8 know that they're going - it's going on so 

9 it's reflected in performance, and it also, I 

10 think, if there are issues not only just 

11 performance review but also in terms of 

12 feedback in trying to resolve any issues that 

13 should come up, and we just looked at it as a 

14 way of just formalizing something that would 

15 be helpful so that as the quarterly and annual 

16 performance reviews are done, we have 

17 documentation and we're not trying to remember 

18 back a year ago what happened, what particular 

19 document or in a particular Work Group 

20 meeting, so I think we're generally pleased 

21 with SC&A performance, but we just thought it 

22 would be helpful to have a document in place.
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1 I remind you if you haven't had a 

2 chance already to at least take a quick look 

3 at that, and if you have questions or would 

4 like clarification, we can bring it up at the 

5 next Board meeting.

6 MEMBER MUNN: When was that sent 

7 around, Jim?

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Ted, do you 

9 remember?

10 MR. KATZ: I'm sorry I couldn't 

11 tell what Wanda said.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Wanda asked when 

13 was that - your document sent around?

14 MR. KATZ: It was sent around 

15 several weeks ago - I'm looking. Let me look 

16 and see if I can find the deadline for it, and 

17 I think you have another week to respond.

18 I can't find it that quickly, but 

19 I'll send you an email with a reminder.

20 MEMBER MUNN: That's all right. 

21 If it's been in the last - yes, if you'd send 

22 a reminder it would be helpful.
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1 MR. KATZ: That's fine. I'll do 

2 that.

3 MEMBER MUNN: Thank you.

4 MEMBER GIBSON: This is Mike. 

5 Ted, was that sent to the CDC email or to our 

6 personal email?

7 MR. KATZ: It was sent to CDC 

8 email for everybody and also to anyone else 

9 who has a government email, it was sent to 

10 those as well. Anyone who doesn't have the 

11 CDC email or a government email, it was sent 

12 to their personal email.

13 MEMBER BEACH: And, Ted, this is 

14 Josie. I believe you - if we didn't have a 

15 comment, you didn't need to hear from us, 

16 correct?

17 MR. KATZ: Right, that's right. 

18 I'm not asking for you to comment if you don't 

19 have one. That's right.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, it was sent 

21 around on March 18th, and the comments were 

22 due by this Friday.
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1 MR. KATZ: In reality, if you want 

2 to comment next week as well if it slipped by 

3 for some of you, next week would be fine too 

4 because I'm out through Wednesday of next 

5 week.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Board 

7 correspondence, again, a quick update. There 

8 hasn't been much since the last meeting. I 

9 think there were follow-up inquiries regarding 

10 our Los Alamos meeting. 

11 I think Representative -

12 Congressman Lujan from New Mexico, we just 

13 wrote back quickly, you know, saying, yes, we 

14 were going to meet in the Los Alamos area, and 

15 I believe that was it since the last meeting. 

16 Ted, do you recall anything else?

17 MR. KATZ: There was also a 

18 letter, I don't know when it came in, so 

19 perhaps it was raised at the Board meeting, 

20 but from Senator Durbin, we responded. 

21 Senator Durbin was interested in GSI.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That came up at 
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1 the Board meeting. That was - as I recall.

2 MR. KATZ: Okay, and then we 

3 responded to Senator Reid too. I think that 

4 probably was addressed at the Board meeting.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: That was also at 

6 the Board meeting, yes.

7 Okay, the May Board meeting, we're 

8 meeting in May in Niagara Falls. The meeting 

9 starts the Wednesday - it's Wednesday, 

10 Thursday, and Friday. I've had some 

11 discussions with Ted already. My guess or 

12 sense or whatever you want to call it, would 

13 be that people will want to try to get back 

14 home on Friday if they can rather than waiting 

15 until Saturday, at least some of the Board 

16 members.

17 Given that, I think we would try 

18 to - if that assumption is correct, then we 

19 would try to plan on starting Wednesday 

20 morning but try to finish up sometime around 

21 lunch time or so on Friday rather than 

22 worrying a lot about losing our quorum or 
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1 trying to get too much business done Friday 

2 afternoon, so is that how people would like to 

3 have the meeting scheduled?

4 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda. I 

5 have no problem with your scheduling your 

6 meeting that way, but I will not be coming 

7 back home Friday night.

8 MEMBER PRESLEY: Jim, this is Bob 

9 Presley. That's great because my flight is 

10 out of there about 5:05, something like that.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

12 MEMBER LOCKEY: Jim, Jim Lockey. 

13 I think it's great too.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, so if 

15 there's no objections, I think that's the way 

16 we'll do it. It's not the busiest airport to 

17 get - easiest to get out of, and I think that 

18 makes sense, so we will - after what LaVon 

19 told us, we will have a packed agenda, so it 

20 will be busy, and maybe we'll try to start 

21 right at nine or 8:30 a couple of mornings or 

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1 reasonable for that.

2 Any particular agenda items people 

3 would like to have added to the agenda? We 

4 will have in addition to the - I believe it 

5 was eight if I correct it - really nine SEC 

6 evaluations to deal with. 

7 We'll also have - we have 

8 discussions on surrogate data. We have 

9 discussions on the Bethlehem site. We will 

10 have follow-up on Chapman and Blockson I 

11 believe at that meeting.

12 Am I missing something, Ted?

13 MR. KATZ: I think you're hitting 

14 the main points. There may be another item or 

15 two.

16 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: But if you have 

17 things you would like discussed beyond the 

18 usual items or anything specific, let us know. 

19 I think we will be - you have to have a 30-

20 day notice, Ted?

21 MR. KATZ: That's correct. That's 

22 going to happen pretty quickly in April.
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1 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. One other 

2 reminder is that Niagara Falls, New York, is 

3 right across from Niagara Falls, Ontario, and 

4 if you want to visit some of the sites, you 

5 need to cross the border, so bring your 

6 passport or other appropriate identification, 

7 but I don't believe they're accepting motor 

8 vehicle licenses, at least not - unless you 

9 have the enhanced motor vehicle license.

10 There's been an ongoing 

11 bureaucratic battle about that, but I'm pretty 

12 - they certainly tightened up a little bit on 

13 identification, but there's a bridge. It's 

14 fairly easy to get across to the Canadian 

15 side.

16 Any questions on the Board 

17 meeting? If - any other items, if not, we can 

18 - with that, do we have a motion to adjourn?

19 MEMBER PRESLEY: I make that 

20 motion.

21 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Bob Presley, 

22 second to that?
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1 MEMBER LEMEN: I second, this is 

2 Dick.

3 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Dick Lemen gets 

4 that, and I think this one we can do by 

5 acclamation. We don't need a roll call. No 

6 one's conflicted I hope. 

7 MR. KATZ: Nobody I don't think.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Good. We 

9 will be talking to you all, and we'll see you 

10 all in May in Niagara Falls.

11 (Whereupon, the above-entitled 

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