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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL

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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL

SAFETY AND HEALTH

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ADVISORY BOARD ON RADIATION AND

WORKER HEALTH

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85th MEETING

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 15, 2012

 The meeting convened telephonically 

at 11:00 a.m., Eastern Time, James M. Melius, 

Chairman, presiding.

PRESENT:

JAMES M. MELIUS, Chairman

HENRY ANDERSON, Member

JOSIE BEACH, Member

BRADLEY P. CLAWSON, Member

R. WILLIAM FIELD, Member

MARK GRIFFON, Member

DAVID KOTELCHUCK, Member

RICHARD LEMEN, Member

WANDA I. MUNN, Member

DAVID B. RICHARDSON, Member

GENEVIEVE S. ROESSLER, Member

PHILLIP SCHOFIELD, Member

LORETTA R. VALERIO, Member

PAUL L. ZIEMER, Member

TED KATZ, Designated Federal Official
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REGISTERED AND/OR PUBLIC COMMENT PARTICIPANTS

ADAMS, NANCY, NIOSH Contractor

AL-NABULSI, ISAF, DOE

BARRIE, TERRIE

EVASKOVICH, ANDREW

GLOVER, SAM, DCAS

HINNEFELD, STU, DCAS

KINMAN, JOSH, DCAS

KOTSCH, JEFF, DOL

MAURO, JOHN, SC&A

McKEEL, DAN

NETON, JIM, DCAS

RAFKY, L. MICHAEL, HHS

ROLFES, BETH, DCAS

RUTHERFORD, LAVON, DCAS

STIVER, JOHN, SC&A

 
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 T-A-B-L-E O-F C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S 

Roll-call

by Mr. Katz, DFO 4 

Welcome

by Dr. Melius, Chair 5 

Recording Absent Member Votes, from

February Meeting

by Mr. Katz, DFO 6 

Ventron Corporation

by Dr. Glover, DCAS 6 

Dose Reconstruction Review Subcommittee Update

by Mr. Mark Griffon. 32

Special Exposure Cohort (SEC) Petition Status 

Update

by Mr. Rutherford, DCAS 36

Updates from Work Groups and Subcommittee

by WG/SC Chairs 41

Board Correspondence

by Dr. Melius, Chair 49

Plans for the September 2012 Board Meeting 

Agenda

by all Members. 49
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 

2 (11:00 a.m.)

3 (Roll call.)

4 MR KATZ: Okay, just a couple other 

5 things to cover. The agenda for this meeting 

6 is on the web, on the Board Site, under 

7 Meetings. Minor correction, one of the agenda 

8 items has recorded out the number of votes 

9 from February meeting, it should be June 

10 meeting. I'll be covering that shortly.

11 And the FPC petition was covering 

12 Ventron Corporation, Beverly, Massachusetts. 

13 That is also on the web. It should be on the 

14 meeting site and it's also under the "SECs 

15 qualified" section of the Board Site. Just 

16 follow along with that material.

17 Otherwise let me just note, please 

18 mute your phones, everyone except people who 

19 are addressing the Board. Members of the 

20 Board, in this case, actually.

21 MEMBER ANDERSON: Hi, it's Andy, 

22 I'm sorry I'm a little late. If you've taken 
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1 roll already, I'm here.

2 MR. KATZ: Yes, glad to have you, 

3 Andy. Great.

4 MEMBER ANDERSON: Okay.

5 MR. KATZ: So everyone, mute your 

6 phones, and please do not put the call on hold 

7 at any point, but hang up and dial back in if 

8 you need to leave the call.

9 And Jim, it's your agenda.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, welcome, 

11 everybody, and we have a pretty 

12 straightforward agenda here today. So why 

13 don't we just move ahead, and we'll start?

14 Ted, you need to record the votes 

15 from the June meeting. I was wondering about 

16 that when I saw the agenda. We're moving 

17 backwards, but it's okay.

18 MR. KATZ: Right, sorry about that. 

19 Thank you. At the June meeting for periods of 

20 time during the full meeting, Messrs. Gibson 

21 and Griffon and Drs. Lemen, Richardson, and 

22 Ziemer were absent.
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1 They recorded their absentee votes, 

2 all completed by July 26, 2012. And they 

3 voted approving along with the Board on all 

4 actions that the Board voted on. And that 

5 includes Winchester Engineering, Hanford, 

6 Medina, Clarksville and Titanium Alloys. So 

7 all of those votes were unanimous, and that 

8 covers absentee votes.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, thanks, 

10 Ted. And now, let's move right on to the 

11 Ventron Corporation Site. And I believe Sam 

12 Glover's going to make the presentation.

13 DR. GLOVER: Yes, sir.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, go ahead, 

15 Sam.

16 DR. GLOVER: We haven't done one, 

17 or at least I haven't none one quite like 

18 this. So I guess I'll just ask folks to 

19 change to the next slide and we'll see how 

20 this goes. If you have any questions, feel 

21 free to stop me.

22 So we're going to discuss today the 
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1 Special Exposure Cohort Petition Evaluation 

2 Report for Ventron Corporation. And let's go 

3 to Slide Number 2.

4 So, I thought it would be good to 

5 start out with a brief site description. 

6 Ventron Corporation, originally known as Metal 

7 Hydrides. Is listed as an Atomic Weapons 

8 Employer for the AEC, from 1942 to 1948.

9 It was one of the very original 

10 sites and actually they were one of the 

11 beginning sites to handle uranium in the 

12 United States, even before the Atomic Energy 

13 Commission.

14 They had a residual period from 

15 1949 to '85 and from '87 to '95. There were 

16 some residual clean-up time frames.

17 It is listed as a DOE site for 1986 

18 as well as 1996 to '97. Principal operations 

19 included the conversion of uranium oxide to 

20 uranium metal powder, and it was the primary 

21 facility for scrap recovery for the AEC as 

22 well as the Manhattan Engineering District.
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1 Next slide. Just a real quick idea 

2 how many claims we're talking about. We have 

3 19 claims submitted. Nine of which we worked 

4 during the SEC time frame. And a total number 

5 of claims at DOL is nine.

6 We have no internal or external 

7 records -- dosimetry records with the claims 

8 that have been submitted.

9 Petition SEC 00198 was received 

10 December 5th, 2011. The petition proposed the 

11 following Class: "all metallurgical operators 

12 and electric furnace operators who worked at 

13 Ventron Corporation in Beverley, 

14 Massachusetts, from January 1, 1942 to 

15 December 31, 1948."

16 The petition was qualified on 

17 January 20, 2012. And basically, the employees 

18 were never monitored, was the basis.

19 The Class evaluated by NIOSH was 

20 all Atomic Weapons Employees who worked at 

21 Ventron Corporation Site in Beverly, 

22 Massachusetts from August 13, 1942, through 
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1 December 31, 1948.

2 We'll discuss a little bit about 

3 why we stopped at that and what we're doing 

4 post-1948 at the end of this.

5 The Ventron Site is located in 

6 Beverly, Massachusetts and occupies 3 acres on 

7 Massachusetts Bay, at the confluence of the 

8 Bass and Danvers rivers.

9 It was originally developed to 

10 produce metal for the Office of Science, 

11 Research and Development that preceded the 

12 Manhattan Engineering District.

13 And they did operation of producing 

14 metal from December 31, 1941 to November 1, 

15 1942. And those are not covered.

16 They produced about 7500 pounds of 

17 metal under this original contract. The 

18 Manhattan Engineering District took over that 

19 contract in November of 1942 and they produced 

20 the very first metal used in the CP1, the 

21 original Chicago Pile Number 1 reactors.

22 So they produced from the ores as 
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1 well as oxides. So they had actual true ore 

2 as well as concentrates of ore, so they 

3 actually had radium on site.

4 In fact, it was later used to 

5 recast scrap metal. And this equipment 

6 remained on site in standby mode. It was the 

7 principle scrap recovery facility for the 

8 Manhattan Engineering District during this 

9 time frame.

10 Scrap recasting -- I'm sorry. Next 

11 slide, please. Scrap recasting contract 

12 expired on December 31, 1947. Following this 

13 date, all scrap was sent to Hanford for 

14 recasting.

15 In June '47, a contract called for 

16 the development of controlled source 

17 neutrons. And it looks like they were issued 

18 100 pounds of high-grade pitchblende ore to 

19 help with that.

20 Some more background. Next slide, 

21 please. Refinery operations, they had 

November 1st 22 of 1942 through September 1, 1943 
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1 and an estimated work force of about 107 

2 individuals plant-wide. Production rate of 

3 about 350 pounds of metal per day, in a three4 shift schedule.

5 And they also had scrap casting 

6 operations which were subsequent to these 

7 metal refinery operations from September 1, 

8 1943, to December 31, 1947. Believed to have 

9 employed around 16 individuals. Production 

10 rates of about 3,000 to 3,200 pounds of 

11 material per day. The rate produced about 

12 1,800 pounds per day in April of 1947. 

13 Next slide, please. There were 

14 three primary facilities. Building A/A-1; it 

15 was a conjoined structure. It contained 

16 furnaces, kilns, leaching equipment and 

17 machine shop.

18 It's good to note that uranium 

19 activities were not separated from other 

20 activities in the building.

21 They also had a foundry, as well as 

22 a machine shop. These were wooden 
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1 structures, south of Building A.

2 There is, in the Evaluation Report, 

3 there's a map to help give you some feel for 

4 this. It was demolished somewhere around 1948 

5 to 1950.

6 Sources of exposure -- next slide, 

7 please -- included processing of black ore, 

8 which was a ore with all of its components and 

9 progeny. Later it was brown oxide by calcium 

10 hydride process. This included the potential 

11 for radium contamination.

12 It also had a production of uranium 

13 metal and oxide, and later melting and 

14 recasting of scrap and uranium metal.

15 There was a further, and it didn't 

16 for some reason make this slide, but there was 

17 a commercial thorium operation on site, and 

18 they were using thorium oxide to make some 

19 thorium components. And since we have to do 

20 all sorts of exposure, thorium would be 

21 included in this.

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1 involving high levels of radiation. However, 

2 we see lots of reports of spontaneous fires. 

3 There was a routine occurrence of powders 

4 being hand-scooped into tins.

5 Material was thrown outside and 

6 allowed to burn. Spontaneous ignition of 

7 metal left in leaching liquid discharged 

8 outside settling basin, which was reported to 

9 happen once every few weeks.

10 Next slide, please. External 

11 monitoring program and data availability. 

12 There's no evidence that a routine monitoring 

13 program ever existed. We do have some direct 

14 surveys, 1944, we have listed as gamma and 

15 beta-gamma measurements, where they took three 

16 measurements of outside stockpiled material.

17 They took three measurements of 

18 some work areas, and they took two additional 

19 measurements in the June/July of 1945 time 

20 frame, also in this gamma, beta-gamma type.

21 Later, at near the very end of 

22 this, after material started to be removed 
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1 from the site, they had 24 measurements 

2 conducted around Ventron, which confirmed 

3 widespread contamination.

4 And in the January time frame, they 

5 made 25 additional measurements, after there 

6 was significant removal of equipment.

7 Next slide, please. So in December 

8 25th we have -- December 19th, 1947, there's 

9 25 measurements and then January 13th, they 

10 did 24 measurements. And these had -- you see 

11 again the processing equipment had been 

12 removed at that point.

13 Next slide. Internal dose 

14 monitoring programs and data availability. 

15 There's no evidence of any routine air 

16 monitoring program, uranium urinalysis, or 

17 radon monitoring program.

18 We have bioassay results from one 

19 individual in June 1945. That basically was a 

20 four-day span in August of 1945, which was 

21 requested as the result of significant weight 

22 loss of that individual.
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1 That's the only monitoring for 

2 internal dose that we have for bio-bioassay. 

There are a few air samples, on March 5th 3 , '43 

there were 12 samples taken. June 5th 4 of '44, 

there were also four samples taken June 15th 5 of 

6 '44. These again are just very small 

7 snapshots.

8 Next slide, please. Just to let 

9 you know how gross the contamination of the 

10 facility was in 1943, an assay of the 

11 Manhattan Engineering District discovered the 

12 soil on site was -- "contaminated" is probably 

13 a mild word. The soil contained between 0.1 

14 and 79 percent uranium oxide.

15 120,000 pounds of soil was removed 

16 in '44 and shipped to DuPont for uranium 

17 recovery. So we also have, as I said, further 

18 information that thoriated tungsten filaments 

19 were produced from thorium powder. The 

20 complete details are sparse to us at this 

21 time.

22 Next slide, please. Summary of 
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1 monitoring gaps. External, we have no film 

2 badge results. Limited area monitoring for a 

3 complex source term.

4 So this isn't just uranium metal, 

5 this has radium and significant contamination 

6 as well as lots of hands-on scooping. Just not 

7 a controlled environment.

8 Internal dose, we have virtually no 

9 bioassay. Very limited air monitoring for 

10 single operation.

11 Data for refining completely 

12 absent. So that puts us in a position where 

13 there's no TBD-6000 approach for these 

14 operations. Limitations of TBD-6000 for very 

15 hands-on scooping and very physical 

16 operations.

17 We have no evidence that any 

18 monitoring is available for the numerous fires 

19 and combustion events. And these fires 

20 outside the building further broaden the 

21 exposure potential for process and non-process 

22 workers. Next slide, please.
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1 So sort of summarizing Ventron SEC 

2 Petition 198: why the Class workers were 

3 potentially exposed to radium, radon and 

4 uranium who were not monitored, nor does a 

5 suitable dose reconstruction method exist.

6 Decision was based on a lack of 

7 adequate biological monitoring data, 

8 sufficient air monitoring information, and/or 

9 sufficient process and radiological source 

10 term data to reconstruct dose with sufficient 

11 accuracy. Next slide, please. 

12 Why everyone? Based on reports by 

13 the AEC facility layout, the process areas 

14 were not isolated from the non-process 

15 facilities. Airborne dust issues from 

16 processes were noted to be extending into non17 process areas. As we noted earlier, the fires 

18 also were outside and weren't controlled. Next 

19 slide, please.

20 What about employees not included 

21 in the SEC? NIOSH intends to use any internal 

22 or external monitoring data that may become 
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1 available for an individual claim that can be 

2 interpreted using existing dose reconstruction 

3 processes or procedures. 

4 Dose reconstructions for 

5 individuals employed at the Ventron Site 

6 during the period from November 1 -- and that 

7 should actually be -- yes, November 1, 1942, 

8 to December 31, 1948, but who do not qualify 

9 for inclusion in the Special Exposure Cohort, 

10 may be performed using these data as 

11 appropriate.

12 Further, NIOSH intends to estimate 

13 doses from medical X-rays using information 

14 from medical employee files and claimant15 favorable medical dose reconstruction 

16 assumptions and methods, as we would for other 

17 AWE facilities.

18 So why stop in 1948? That was 

19 obviously the end of the contract periods, and 

20 at that, we would add a residual period. 

21 NIOSH has obtained additional contract 

22 information during its data capture for 
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1 Ventron, which may support additional covered 

2 time.

3 This information has been submitted 

4 to the Department of Labor and the Department 

5 of Energy. NIOSH reviewed the post-1948 

6 period upon receiving the response to this new 

7 information by DOL and DOE.

8 Health endangerment: evidence 

9 reviewed in this evaluation indicates that 

10 some workers in the Class may have accumulated 

11 chronic radiation exposures through intakes of 

12 radionuclides and direct exposure to 

13 radioactive materials. Consequently, NIOSH is 

14 specifying that health may have been 

15 endangered. Next slide, please.

16 Proposed Class: "All Atomic Weapons 

17 Employees who worked at Ventron Corporation in 

18 Beverly, Massachusetts, from November 1, 1942 

19 through December 31, 1948, for a number of 

20 work days aggregating at least 250 work days 

21 occurring either solely under this employment 

22 or in combination with work days within the 
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1 parameters established for one or more Classes 

2 of employees included in the Special Exposure 

3 Cohort."

4 So our recommendation is that, from 

5 the period November 1, 1942, through December 

6 31, 1948, NIOSH finds that radiation doses 

7 cannot be reconstructed for compensation 

8 purposes. So we say that the feasibility is 

9 no, and health endangerment, yes.

10 And that's the end of it. Thank 

11 you very much.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you, Sam. 

13 Board Members have any questions for Sam?

14 MEMBER BEACH: Yes, Jim, this is 

15 Josie. I do have a question. Back on Slide 

16 21, you talked about why stop in '48, and that 

17 was one of the things that I highlighted in 

18 the ER on Page 18. It talks about the AEC and 

19 the ongoing contracts. Can you elaborate a 

20 little bit more of the dates? Is it all the 

21 way to '54?

22 DR. GLOVER: Yes, right now that is 
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1 the covered time. That's when it's covered 

2 through '48 at this time. And after that it 

3 goes to a residual contamination time frame.

4 And so at that point we can only 

5 deal with materials that were produced, you 

6 know, from the previous operations. The new 

7 operations aren't considered. And so right 

8 now we're working with the DOE and DOL, to 

9 make sure that we have the appropriate cover 

10 time.

11 MEMBER BEACH: Okay, so you're 

12 talking about the contracts that you found?

13 DR. GLOVER: Yes, ma'am.

14 MEMBER BEACH: Okay, so it could be 

15 additional, besides residual period that would 

16 be covered potentially?

17 DR. GLOVER: Exactly, we could look 

18 at perhaps from '49 through '54. But that 

19 would be based on their decision, basically.

20 MEMBER BEACH: Sure, I understand 

21 that part. Okay, thanks.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Other Board 
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1 Member questions?

2 MEMBER VALERIO: Yes -- go ahead.

3 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Wanda.

5 MEMBER MUNN: LaVon, in your 

6 presentation, although you gave us source term 

7 data, you never gave us any information with 

8 respect to the actual surveys, and what we saw 

9 in respect to dose monitoring from those 

10 surveys. Were the gamma and beta-gamma 

11 measurements that we had predictive in any 

12 way?

13 DR. GLOVER: This is Sam, and I 

14 could pull those. They are in t he Evaluation 

15 Report. And didn't emphasize them because they 

16 only took like a snapshot of -- they had 

17 material in the yard. So they didn't try to 

18 actually like measure a wide breadth of the 

19 source terms. They were very, very limited.

20 And so they really didn't let you 

21 to put your hands around all the different 

22 kinds of things that they were doing.
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1 You know, since they were handling 

2 metal they would have increased dose rate, 

3 because of the progeny. You also then had the 

4 radium. You had the ore operations. So we 

5 really just didn't have a handle. Yes, ma'am.

6 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, I realize that. 

7 All right, I'll go to the ER if I want to 

8 check it.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Somebody else had 

10 a question?

11 MEMBER VALERIO: Yes, this is 

12 Loretta.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, Loretta.

14 MEMBER VALERIO: Dr. Glover, I 

15 actually have two questions for you. You 

16 indicated that in 19 -- and I'm going back 

17 through the slides, bear with me. At one 

18 point they believed there was 42, 43, that 

19 there 100, approximately 107 employees on 

20 site. And I'm wondering, do you know, did 

21 that stay consistent through 1948? That 

22 number?
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1 That's the first question, and the 

2 second question is: the fires that were 

3 outside of the buildings, was there a 

4 subcontract, say with county firefighters? 

5 How did they address the issues with the 

6 fires?

7 DR. GLOVER: So on the two 

8 questions. I don't know, you know, these 

9 things are so far back in antiquity, that we 

10 find little bits of information like the 107.

11 But I don't know if we found any additional 

12 information to give us how many people as a 

13 function of time were at that facility. 

14 Certainly, if you'd like it, I could double15 check.

16 For fires, because this is an AWE 

17 facility, only employees of Ventron are 

18 covered. And Bomber or LaVon, if I'm wrong, 

19 please correct me.

20 MR. RUTHERFORD: I think you're 

21 correct.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. Just for 
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1 everyone's information, if you turn to Page 15 

2 of the Evaluation Report, there's a little bit 

3 more information on the number of employees. 

4 At least as estimated by number of people that 

5 had chest X-rays and some other medical 

6 testing done.

7 But again, as Sam was saying, in 

8 these situations we often find it very hard to 

9 estimate how many people, you know, really 

10 worked there. Over time, because of turnover, 

11 and in fact this is more information than 

12 we've found on many other similar sites.

13 MEMBER BEACH: Yes, Jim, this is 

14 Josie again. I was going to point out to 

15 NIOSH that it was nice that they did include 

16 that information on how many employees. 

17 Because that's always a question that we ask.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes. I actually 

19 emailed Sam about this, but I thought that the 

20 -- I believe it's the ORAU group, whoever 

21 prepared this report did a very good job and 

22 provided a lot of, I thought, helpful detail 
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1 that at least fills in and gives you a little 

2 bit more confidence on sort of what steps 

3 we're taking and our evaluation of this report 

4 and of the facility.

5 Any other Board Member questions?

6 MEMBER VALERIO: This is Loretta 

7 again, I'm sorry. It's not a question, it's 

8 more that I want to compliment NIOSH. When I 

9 was reading through the Evaluation Report and 

10 the presentation, one of the first questions 

11 that, you know, that came to my mind was of 

12 course the contaminated soil, which I thought 

13 that they addressed very well. So thank you.

14 DR. GLOVER: Thank you very much.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other 

16 comments or questions?

17 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Dave 

18 Kotelchuck.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Oh, yes, go 

20 ahead.

21 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: There are typos 

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1 the June meeting? We don't need to go into 

2 them, it's just editorial. Just wanted to 

3 mention.

4 DR. GLOVER: I'm sorry, sir, you 

5 mean on the slides?

6 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: On slides 13 

7 and 19.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: "Manhattan." Us 

9 New Yorkers are sensitive on that.

10 (Laughter.)

11 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Oh, that's 

12 another one. Oh, yes, 13 -- "conducted."

13 MR. RUTHERFORD: As long as it 

14 isn't a dangling participle, then we're all 

15 right.

16 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay, I don't 

17 want to raise, it's not worth a lot of time. 

18 Just to mention it so you'll correct it by the 

19 later presentation.

20 DR. GLOVER: Actually, I believe 

21 this will be the only presentation.

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1 then I'm glad I mentioned it.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: It's on the 

3 website, so.

4 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Okay, good.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any other 

6 comments or questions? If not, do I hear a 

7 recommendation from the Board? Or a motion?

8 MEMBER CLAWSON: This is Brad. I 

9 recommend that we accept NIOSH's evaluation.

10 MEMBER MUNN: This is Wanda. 

11 Second.

12 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, any further 

13 discussion? If not, then Ted, you want to do 

14 roll?

15 MR. KATZ: Sure, very good. Dr. 

16 Anderson?

17 MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.

18 MR. KATZ: Ms. Beach?

19 MEMBER BEACH: Yes.

20 MR. KATZ: Mr. Clawson?

21 MEMBER CLAWSON: Yes.

22 MR. KATZ: Dr. Field?
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1 MEMBER FIELD: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: Let me just check. I 

3 checked earlier, we didn't have Mr. Gibson. 

4 Mr. Gibson, have you joined us? 

5 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes. And yes.

6 MR. KATZ: Okay. That was Mike.

7 MEMBER GRIFFON: No, that was Mark.

8 MR. KATZ: Okay, I had called for 

9 Gibson, but I got yes for Mr. Griffon. So Mike 

10 is still absent. Dr. Kotelchuck?

11 MEMBER GRIFFON: Sorry.

12 MEMBER KOTELCHUCK: Yes.

13 MR. KATZ: Dr. Kotelchuck, yes. Dr. 

14 Lemen?

15 MEMBER LEMEN: Yes.

16 MR. KATZ: And Dr. Lockey, I assume 

17 is still absent. Dr. Melius?

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

19 MR. KATZ: Ms. Munn?

20 MEMBER MUNN: Yes.

21 MR. KATZ: Dr. Poston is absent. Dr. 

22 Richardson?
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1 MEMBER RICHARDSON: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: Dr. Roessler?

3 MEMBER ROESSLER: Yes.

4 MR. KATZ: Mr. Schofield?

5 MEMBER SCHOFIELD: Yes.

6 MR. KATZ: Ms. Valerio?

7 MEMBER VALERIO: Yes.

8 MR. KATZ: And Dr. Ziemer?

9 MEMBER ZIEMER: Yes.

10 MR. KATZ: So the motion passes 

11 unanimously with a couple -- three absent 

12 Members. And I'll collect the absentee votes 

13 between now and the next meeting.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And then for 

15 Board Members, I circulated a letter, our 

16 standard letter for this. If anybody has 

17 comments on it, if you want to get back to me. 

18 I think that should cover us on it.

19 I did two versions, so it's the 

20 second email that I sent. There's a few 

21 changes in the Class Definitions and so forth 

22 as we were working through it yesterday.
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1 MEMBER MUNN: And thank you for 

2 those changes. The original raised that 

3 question in my mind. Thanks.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: So, good. One 

5 other thing that I just want to put on the 

6 record is if NIOSH, if you can be sure to 

7 follow up with this and inform us on what the 

8 decision is on the Class Definition of the 

9 years covered period. Changes and so forth, 

10 and this may be something we need to get back 

11 to.

12 And there's also a residual period, 

13 and given the amount of contamination in what 

14 we've seen about the site from this report, I 

15 think it's something that also warrants some 

16 further attention also, at some period to 

17 follow up on that.

18 I don't know if you're planning a 

19 separate report or what the plan is. That will 

20 obviously depends on what happens with the 

21 covered period, but if you can just keep us 

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1 would be helpful.

2 MR. HINNEFELD: We definitely will 

3 do that.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, thanks. 

5 Find my agenda here. The next item we have on 

6 our agenda is a Dose Reconstruction 

7 Subcommittee Review Update from Mark Griffon. 

8 Mark?

9 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, I can give a 

10 report. We had a meeting on August 6th, and 

11 amongst other things we went through some of 

12 the QA/QC things that were brought up in the 

13 ten year follow-up report. We also discussed 

14 some of NIOSH's current efforts. Internally, 

15 with the DCAS blind dose reconstruction 

16 quality review, so that's their internal 

17 review. And then the last item that we 

18 discussed, other than our normal going through 

19 all the cases, the last item that we discussed 

20 was possible modifications to our procedures 

21 for reviewing the cases.

22 And this was brought up by Paul and 
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1 Jim and some others over a period of time. 

2 And we thought it was a good time to look back 

3 at the original protocols and reexamine those.

4 Jim joined us on the phone. We 

5 basically have a path forward to look at a few 

6 things. One is the blind reviews. We want to 

7 consider whether the approach that we use --

8 we've only done two blind reviews -- we want 

9 to look back at those and consider whether the 

10 approach was appropriate and whether we should 

11 do more of those. That's certainly on the 

12 table as a possibility.

13 And the other item was to look back 

14 at at least some subsection of cases that 

15 we've done, prior to, you know, up to this 

16 point. I think we have gone through about 200 

17 completed cases.

18 And we want to look back at those 

19 to see sort of the final disposition of those 

20 cases and consider our findings as compared to 

21 the final disposition.

22 In other words, if these cases 
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1 ultimately were put in a Special Exposure 

2 Cohort Class, you know, and we found that the 

3 case was adequate, we might have to discuss 

4 that in terms of scientific validity. What 

5 are we finding through our reviews?

6 So those are the two aspects that 

7 we want to sort of look at going forward and 

8 we might use those little samples to modify 

9 our protocol for reviews.

10 And if I'm missing anything, other 

11 Members of the Subcommittee can chime in.

12 I guess I covered it.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good, Mark, and I 

14 think we will have further updates on this.

15 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, I was 

16 planning on a more in-depth report at the full 

17 meeting, a presentation and we can have an 

18 open discussion with the whole Board.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay. Thanks. 

20 The next item on the agenda is the SEC 

21 Petition status update.

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1 just let me just note for all the Board 

2 Members, with respect to the Dose 

3 Reconstruction Subcommittee. They completed a 

4 preliminary review of set 16 of new dose 

5 reconstruction cases to be reviewed by SC&A 

6 and then by the Board. So I just wanted to 

7 note for all of you, you'll be receiving two 

8 sets.

9 One, the complete set that they 

10 reviewed, the Subcommittee reviewed, and the 

11 set that they pre-selected for your 

12 consideration. You'll be receiving those 

13 before the June Board meeting. Please give us 

14 some attention and take into account whether 

15 of any of the cases that were not collected 

16 might ought to be collected for the final 

17 Board decision at the June meeting. Thank 

18 you.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: The June meeting 

20 or the September meeting?

21 MR. KATZ: The September meeting, 

22 excuse me.
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1 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes.

2 MR. KATZ: I'm going backwards 

3 again.

4 MEMBER GRIFFON: Thanks, Ted, I 

5 forgot to mention that.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I thought we were 

7 having to start over again. We did something 

8 wrong with our reviews or something.

9 MR. KATZ: I'm going to start 

10 talking backwards.

11 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, okay. I 

12 should add that Ted is taking time off from 

13 his vacation this week, so he can be forgiven 

14 for being --

15 MR. KATZ: Thank you.

16 MEMBER MUNN: Sorry about that, 

17 Ted.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: -- out of touch. 

19 LaVon.

20 MR. RUTHERFORD: All right, I'm 

21 going to go ahead as Dr. Melius thinks I'm 

22 going to provide an update on the Petition 
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1 Evaluations we plan to present at the 

2 September meeting. Also, try to give you an 

3 idea of when we expect those reports to be 

4 completed.

5 We have five evaluations we plan to 

6 present at the September meeting. They are: 

7 Oak Ridge National Lab. The Petition 

8 Evaluation covers the periods from January 1, 

9 1943, during July 31, 1955. And the report is 

10 in its final stages of review and approval. I 

11 do expect the report to go to the Board 

12 sometime late next week.

13 Los Alamos National Lab. This is a 

14 revision to our previous report, and covers 

15 the time period of January 1, 1976 through 

16 December 31, 1995. The report is in final 

17 approval and should go to the Board later this 

18 week or early next week.

19 Rocky Flats. Petition Evaluation 

20 evaluates the ability to reconstruct tritium 

21 exposures for the period of April 1, 1953 

22 through December 31, 2005.
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1 Actually expanded the Class during 

2 the evaluation because of the recognition of 

3 that tritium exposure potential exists in 

4 broader periods than what we were looking at 

5 originally. So through our review, we 

6 actually expanded our evaluation period.

7 I'm not saying we're recommending a 

8 Class, just saying that the evaluation 

9 expanded through that period. The report is 

10 in review now, the current schedule has the 

11 report going to the Board and the petitioner 

12 on September 4.

13 Mound Plant, this is an 83.14 that 

14 we started to modify the Class Definition. 

15 We're modifying the Class Definition for years 

16 where we do not have log books with tritium 

17 bioassay results.

18 Therefore, it will go from the 

19 tritium results to an "all employees" during 

20 all those years. We're working on the report 

21 now and should have the report out in early 

22 September.
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1 And the last one is Nuclear Metals 

2 Inc. This Petition Evaluation covers the 

3 period from January 1, 1958 through December 

31st 4 of 1983. The report is being reviewed 

5 internally now and we anticipate the report 

6 being available to the Board by the end of 

7 this month, August.

8 And those are the five that we will 

9 be presenting. Do we have any questions?

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Any Board Member 

11 questions? Okay. I think, as you can see, we 

12 have a busy meeting coming up in the Denver 

13 area.

14 Okay, the next item on our agenda 

15 is updates from Work Group or Subcommittees. I 

16 won't go through the list, but do any Work 

17 Group or Subcommittee Chairs wish to give a 

18 report? I know we have a lot of Work Group 

19 meetings coming up now --

20 MEMBER ZIEMER: This is Paul Ziemer 

21 here.

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1 ahead.

2 MEMBER ZIEMER: I'm going to have 

3 to get out of here in a minute, so I would 

4 appreciate going sort of first if possible.

5 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: You deserve it.

6 MEMBER ZIEMER: I would just like 

7 to remind the Board that as a follow-up to the 

8 discussion on General Steel Industries, the 

9 TBD-6000 Work Group will be meeting on August 

28th 10 , focusing particularly on the residual 

11 period --

12 (Telephone interference.)

13 MEMBER ZIEMER: -- recommendation 

14 for the September --

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Paul, you were 

16 breaking up there. I had trouble -- I think we 

17 picked up that you have your meeting August 

18 28th and then you will be ready, expect to be 

19 ready for a recommendation at the September 

20 Board Meeting.

21 Good, any other Work Group Chairs 

22 with --
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1 MEMBER MUNN: Yes, this is Wanda, 

2 I'll be glad to report on Procedures, if you'd 

3 like.

4 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Go ahead.

 MEMBER MUNN: We met July 31st 5 in 

6 Cincinnati with an extremely heavy agenda. We 

7 knew that it was going to be a full day. And 

8 it was indeed, it was after 5:00 when we 

9 finally adjourned, and had a number of items 

10 to carry over. But it was an extremely 

11 productive day. The Board Review System, 

12 which we are now calling the BRS, is in very 

13 good condition and is working very nicely for 

14 the entire Subcommittee when we do meet.

15 We have added our expectations of 

16 tracking for the overarching issues which to 

17 this point have not been tracked specifically 

18 as such by the Subcommittee. We'll be doing 

19 that in the future, getting those established 

20 and making sure that we are covering them 

21 correctly.

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1 questions that we are facing for the first 

2 time. We have situations where our contractor 

3 has reviewed more than one revision of a 

4 procedure.

5 And at this time, one of the 

6 shortcomings of our database is that it pulls 

7 up only the current version of the procedure 

8 that is under review. This of course is not 

9 going to be sufficient for us, when we have 

10 early revisions and/or more than one revision 

11 that have findings.

12 So we had a technical call, I spoke 

13 with the NIOSH lead and with the SC&A lead 

14 last week, and we came to an agreement on what 

15 we were going to request of the IT folks in 

16 order to get all available revisions of any 

17 procedure up on the hot link list.

18 So that any of us who are reviewing 

19 that internally can review the correct version 

20 that was the generator for the findings that 

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1 because it's a significant effort for us to 

2 be asking our digital folks to do that. And a 

3 great deal of searching needs to be done to 

4 ensure that we've covered the water front. 

5 But that is under process.

6 Didn't mention the fact that we 

7 have a new Member on the Subcommittee. Mrs.

8 Beach has joined us. We are delighted to have 

9 her, she's a great addition and we're looking 

10 forward to working with her.

11 We did significant work on the 

12 Program Evaluation Reports this time. And 

13 because we are covering those PERs so 

14 thoroughly, as we have not actually in the 

15 past, we have added some additional findings 

16 to our status report.

17 Actually, 21 new findings have gone 

18 onto the report, so that we now are dealing 

19 with a total of 561 as opposed to the 540 we 

20 had going into that meeting.

21 We have no new report on the two 

22 pagers. Those summary reports are in the 
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1 hands of NIOSH and they are working on getting 

2 those up an onto our public available web 

3 page. So that folks can see what was done 

4 with the wide variety of these things that we 

5 have reviewed in the past.

6 We had a difficult time identifying 

7 when our next meeting was going to be. Our 

8 Subcommittee Members have very heavy schedules 

9 and we've had to push that out to November the 

10 1st, which will be our next meeting. That's 

11 longer than we would prefer, but we really 

12 don't have any options given the schedules of 

13 the primary folks that we need to work with. 

14 And that's the report.

15 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Thank you Wanda. 

16 Any other Board Members want to make Work 

17 Group --

18 MEMBER CLAWSON: Jim, this is Brad.

19 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

20 MEMBER CLAWSON: I just wanted to 

21 talk and make sure the Board is aware if they 

22 look on the agenda, we're going to have a 
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1 report on Pantex for the later years. Some of 

2 the early years.

3 Just, if they have any questions or 

4 anything, it's been over a year since the Work 

5 Group last met and we left the later years for 

6 NIOSH to be able to do a little bit more 

7 evaluation. And they're going to be giving a 

8 report to us in the earlier years.

9 I just wanted people to be aware of that. If 

10 there's any information that they need or 

11 questions that they have, if they would 

12 contact me or NIOSH so we could take care of 

13 that.

14 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, any other 

15 Board Members with updates?

16 I have two actually.

17 The Hanford Work Group will be 

18 meeting the week before the Board meeting. We 

19 have a new or a more recent SEC to review an 

20 83.13 concerning some data monitoring issues. 

21 We have our Evaluation Report and we have a 

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1 which has been sent to the Work Group Members. 

2 And we'll be meeting, I believe it's September 

3 12th to discuss that. And tentatively, put 

4 that on the agenda for the September Board 

5 Meeting.

6 And the other Work Group, trying to 

7 wrap up Weldon Spring, so I joined the Work 

8 Group for what we think is one meeting, which 

is scheduled for September 10th 9 . 

10 We've had a fair amount of turnover 

11 on that Work Group.

12 So Dr. Lemen, Dr. Fields and I will 

13 be meeting just to try to wrap up those couple 

14 of issues outstanding, and plan to come back 

15 to the Board at our Denver meeting, be able to 

16 wrap up that SEC Evaluation. So we'll be 

17 reporting on that also.

18 MEMBER GRIFFON: Jim, this is Mark 

19 Griffon.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

21 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes, I can just 

22 give a quick, you know, September 11th, we're 
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1 have a Los Alamos Work Group Call.

2 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay.

3 MEMBER GRIFFON: And I think that 

4 is in preparation also for the full Board 

5 Meeting, so we'll have a full report at the 

6 full Board Meeting.

7 And then also for Rocky Flats, we 

8 are not going to have a Work Group Meeting. 

9 But I believe we're expecting to have a 

10 presentation of the Evaluation Report on the 

11 latest SEC. Is that correct, Jim, at the full 

12 Board Meeting?

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

14 MEMBER GRIFFON: Yes. So no Work 

15 Group meeting, but we're expecting to have a 

16 transition to NIOSH.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, the report 

18 is, LaVon said, I think, it isn't scheduled to 

19 come out till the - 

20 MEMBER GRIFFON: The week before, 

21 right, yes.

22 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Anyone else?
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1 MEMBER ANDERSON: This is Andy. 

2 Our AWE Work Group is going to be meeting on 

3 the 7th to go over finalizing our position and 

4 our recommendations on United Nuclear. And 

5 that will be reported out at Denver.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good.

7 MEMBER BEACH: Hi, Jim, this is 

8 Josie Beach.

9 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, go ahead, 

10 Josie.

11 MEMBER BEACH: Mound is also 

12 meeting on the 31st. And we expect to finish 

13 up tritides and then maybe just get a brief 

14 overview from NIOSH on the radon, which is 

15 going to be presented at the September Board 

16 Meeting as well.

17 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, I wondered 

18 about that, because that report sounded like 

19 it wasn't coming out till September sometime.

20 MEMBER BEACH: Right. So, we'll 

21 get something from NIOSH, hopefully just an 

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1 issues.

2 We've also got a Worker Outreach 

3 Work Group scheduled. And I'll probably just 

4 give a brief report on where we are at the 

5 meeting as well.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, great. 

7 Anybody else? I think we've covered about 

8 every Work Group, so, good.

9 Board Correspondence. I don't think 

10 I have anything new to report. We had a letter 

11 that came in, we talked about it at our last 

12 meeting, from representative Lujan. And then 

13 there was some sort of a addendum or some 

14 follow-up questions from them that were sort 

15 of best answered by NIOSH. So NIOSH has 

16 essentially responded to that correspondence.

17 September Board Meeting, Ted, do 

18 you have anything to tell us. Ted?

19 MEMBER CLAWSON: He's on vacation.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I guess so.

21 MR. KATZ: I'm sorry, I was muted. 

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1 agenda. If you see, it's incredibly full, in 

2 fact, I think it's probably our fullest agenda 

3 ever. But I have nothing to add to what I 

4 have circulated. So far everything on there is 

5 still a go.

6 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, and just so 

7 everyone knows, my understanding is, unless 

8 I've missed an email, was that we still 

9 haven't finalized the location yet?

10 MR. KATZ: That's correct, that's 

11 correct. We still don't have an approval on a 

12 contract with a hotel yet.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: And any idea when 

14 you're expecting that?

15 MR. KATZ: Well, I've just been 

16 dealing with that today again. But I would 

17 hope that they get it done this week.

18 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Good. I think 

19 everyone has the agenda, so you know the times 

20 for that and should be able to make flight 

21 arrangements. It will just be the hotel 

22 arrangements.
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1 Any other business Board Members 

2 wish to bring up? If not, I guess we -- I 

3 don't know, do we need a motion to adjourn on 

4 the phone? Or to hang up? I don't know what 

5 --

6 MEMBER MUNN: I think you are the 

7 key to that.

8 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes.

9 MEMBER MUNN: It's your call.

10 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: I think we're 

11 ready to adjourn.

12 MEMBER MUNN: Thank you all.

13 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Okay, thank you, 

14 everybody, and we'll see you in September in 

15 the Denver area, if we don't see you at a Work 

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17 MEMBER GRIFFON: In the Brown Palace 

18 or someplace downtown, if I can find it.

19 MR. KATZ: Thanks, everyone.

20 CHAIRMAN MELIUS: Yes, thanks, 

21 everybody. Thank you, Ted.

22 (Whereupon, the meeting in the 
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