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• Patricia Ondrovic (9110048_PatriciaOndrovic.PDF)

• Fernando Camacho (9110318_FernandoCamacho.PDF)

• James McGlynn (9110447_JamesMcGlynn.PDF)

• DanWalker (9110341_DanWalker.PDF)

• Glen Asaeda (9110062_GlenAsaeda.PDF)

• George Kozlowski (9110308_GeorgeKozlowski.PDF)

• Patrick McNally (9110199_PatrickMcNally.PDF)

• John Malley (9110319_JohnMalley.PDF)

• Kevin Gorman (9110434_KevinGorman.PDF)

• Kenneth Escoffery (9110460_KennethEscoffery.PDF)

Moreover, and in addition to those redacted statements of the above-named persons, I hereby incorporate,

by reference, all statements of witnesses that were taken as a part of the so-called “World Trade Center

Task Force” project, whether redacted or not redacted, from which the above-mentioned statements are

taken.

The ones here relied on by being specifically referenced, confirm, in the main, that the Twin Towers were

destroyed by weaponry whose characteristics included high pitched “jet engine” noise, accompanied by

hurricane force wind effects and which caused objects and people to disappear from view and to be turned

to dust as those who were only marginally better sheltered saw, observed and then reported in their

statements.

In other words, the plain fact of the matter is that NIST ignored eyewitness testimony that is completely

consistent with the claim that directed energy weaponry are a causal factor in the destruction of the Twin

Towers and that the buildings did not “collapse” as NIST has fraudulently and deceptively reported.

Accordingly, in addition to incorporating the witness statements in the form available to the public, I also

designate as being incorporated by reference, the non-redacted versions of any and all cited witness

statements that include redactions, such as those of Patrica Ondrovic and others as being deemed

incorporated by reference, based on the assumption that NIST would have had access to the complete

witness statements and not the redacted ones.

Based upon the foregoing, I here reiterate that NCSTAR 1 is false, misleading and fraudulent within the

meaning of the False Claims Act 31 U.S.C. §§ 3729, et seq

In addition, I assert that NIST contractors, as listed in NCSTAR 1, including by way of non-exhaustive

example, those listed below, either knew or should have known of the falsity of NCSTAR 1 as it relates to

the use of directed energy weapons1

:

 1 The The words 'directed energy weapons' as used in this Supplement #2 and elsewhere in the pending RFC, including

Supplement # 1 thereto, shall have the meaning ascribed and found in this link:

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam7.html#DEW

As many weapons systems that comprise 'directed energy weapons' cannot be known by persons not having access to classified

information, a general, all inclusive definition is mandated and NIST should be guided accordingly..

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Applied Research Associates Inc.

Science Applications International Corp.

Boeing

NuStats

Computer Aided Engineering Associates, Inc.

DataSource, Inc

GeoStats, Inc.

Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP

Hughes Associates, Inc,

Ajmal Abbasi, Eduardo Kausel, David Parks, David Sharp, Daniele Veneziano, Josef Van Dyck and

Kaspar William

Isolatek International, Inc.

Leslie E. Roberson Assoicates, RLLP

National Fire Protection Association

Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.

Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers, P.C.

Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Inc.

S.K.Ghosh Associates, Inc.

Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, LLP

Teng & Associates, Inc.

Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.

Wiss, Janney, Elstner Assoicates, Inc.

American Airlines

Silverstein Properties

United Air Lines

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Except as specifically supplemented herein, all claims, information and supporting data included in the

original RFC dated March 16, 2007 and Supplement # 1 thereof, remain in full force and effect. This

Supplement #2 to RFC is dated April 20, 2007 and is

Respectfully Submitted

Dr. Judy Wood

Cc:

Jerry V. Leaphart

8 West Street

#203

Danbury, CT 06810

p-203-825-6265

f-203-825-6256

Exhibit A:

• Patricia Ondrovic (9110048_PatriciaOndrovic.PDF)

Exhibit B:

• Fernando Camacho (9110318_FernandoCamacho.PDF)

Exhibit C: Attachments

• James McGlynn (9110447_JamesMcGlynn.PDF)

• Dan Walker (9110341_DanWalker.PDF)

• Glen Asaeda (9110062_GlenAsaeda.PDF)

• George Kozlowski (9110308_GeorgeKozlowski.PDF)

• Patrick McNally (9110199_PatrickMcNally.PDF)

• John Malley (9110319_JohnMalley.PDF)

• Kevin Gorman (9110434_KevinGorman.PDF)

• Kenneth Escoffery (9110460_KennethEscoffery.PDF)

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Exhibit A:

• Patricia Ondrovic (9110048_PatriciaOndrovic.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF

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File No. 9 1 10048 

WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW 

EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC 

Interview Date: October 1 1, 200 1 

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CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON: Today's date is October 11,2001. The time 

is 6:48 AM, and this is Christopher Eccleston of the New York City Fire Department. I 

am conducting an interview with the following individual.. .please state your name, rank, 

title, and assigned command area of the Fire Department of the City of New York, 

regarding the events of September 1 1, 2001. 

PATRICIA ONDROVIC: Patricia Ondrovic, shield 1634, EMTD, assigned to 

Battalion 8. 

Q: Were you assigned to the World Trade Center disaster on September 11, 

A: 

Q: 

A: 

Q: 

A: 

Q: 

A: 

Vesey. 

Q: 

vehicle? 

A: 

Yes. 

En route to the alarm, what did you see? 

I saw the two towers burning. 

On arrival, did any civilians report anything to you? 

No. 

Where did you park your vehicle when you arrived? 

In the middle of Vesey Street between West and whatever is East of 

On this map, can you indicate with a number 1 where you parked your 

Um.. .it was on Vesey between West and the West Side Highway so, it 

was, I'm not sure if it was this block or that block. 

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Q: Okay, just approximate and put a number 1. 

A: I guess it was over here. 

Q: Okay, and what vehicle were you in? 

A: Vehicle 90. 

Q: Vehicle 90. Whom did you first report to and where? 

A: On Vesey and West, in the middle of the block, there was an EMS captain. 

I never got his name, I don't know who he was. I said I was 07 Charlie, he said park it 

over there. That was the last I saw of him. 

Q: Were you given a specific assignment? 

A: No. Stand by. Take the equipment out of the vehicle and stand by. 

Q: Were you asked to assist any specific units? 

A: No. 

Q: Can you tell me what you did when you arrived at that location? 

A: We took the stretcher and all the crash equipment out of the bus and we 

formed up alongside one of the buildings on Vesey. I don't remember which number it 

was. We were in a line of several other ambulances. Next to us was a St. Claire's 

ambulance and a Cabrini Ambulance. I think there was only one other EMS ambulance 

on that block at the time I was there. That was vehicle 350, 08 David. I didn't know a lot 

of the people there, I didn't know the EMS captain that was there. There were no 

patients that we could see at that point. I think they were trying to set up a triage in front 

of the building that the ambulances were all parked at. I guess we were supposed to be 

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the first on the wave to take patients out, and there was a Tex-Mex restaurant across the 

street. I went in to use the bathroom, that's where the Police were using their command 

center. I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked absolutely 

terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I looked at him, I said what's 

wrong? He said there's another plane headed our way, and they just blew up the 

Pentagon. I said, another plane? What are you talking about? I hadn't realized that 

planes had hit this, I thought they just set bombs off. I didn't realize when I got there that 

planes hit it. I said, what do you mean another plane? He said two planes hit the World 

Trade Center. So I'm thinking a little Cessena. How can a little Cessena do all that 

damage? He said no, 757s. I said big things? See I was there for about 25 minutes 

before I knew that planes had crashed into this. We just got assigned to do stand-by. We 

didn't know what the stand-by was. I mean, who thinks something like that? You just 

think they hit it again. So I said, what do you mean there's another one headed this way? 

He said, it's on the TV, there's a TV in there and it said that the Pentagon has been hit. 

Then we all went outside cause they had on the police radio that there was another plane 

headed in our direction, we all went outside and started looking up in the sky. Then the 

EMS captain said everyone grab your equipment, get to your vehicles and stay with your 

vehicles. My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our 

vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. 

Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got 

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thrown the other way. I started running towards the West Side Highway, and there was 

another building on the corner, I guess it was a federal building, cause it was all the green 

and gray uniforms with the Smokey the Bear hats, the cops in there. I went to run in the 

lobby cause all of a sudden you couldn't see anything. There was smoke, there was 

debris, there was everything flying around. I ran into the lobby cause I had no idea what 

had happened and the cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get 

out. Where are you gonna go? Stuffs blowing up. So I ran back out and I started 

running west again. At that point, there was a car on the corner of I think I was here at 

that point, on the West Side Highway. 

Q: West Side Highway and Vesey? 

A: And Vesey, yeah. I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on 

me was on Vesey, it was on the corner next to the West Side Highway. Cause I know I 

was running west, I didn't run that way. Thank God, I would have been dead had I run 

the other way. But I ran towards the West Side Highway, and I kept running up Vesey. 

As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the 

West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that 

set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be 

called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my 

hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only 

way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat. 

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There's hundreds of cops all running up there, and I ended up running through this park, 

and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North. 

Q: Through North Park? 

A: I guess that's North Park. It's a big green, grassy area, and there's nothing 

there. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't 

near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys 

hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess 

of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely 

independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all 

bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a 

bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up, I don't think I looked back, but you 

couldn't see anything, everything was just black. I was running and I was falling over 

people, cause people were crawling on the ground cause they couldn't see anymore. I 

just kept on running north. I could smell water, so I just kept on running towards the 

water, cause I knew that my coat was on fire, and I figured well, if I can see a boat over 

the water, I'm just gonna jump onto the boat and take that thing to Jersey, cause no one 

wants to blow up Jersey. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear 

stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an 

earthquake. I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake. 

There was no where safe to go. As I was running north in this park, and then I could start 

seeing again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. Cause the captain was saying 

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there's another plane heading in our direction, I was looking for another plane. I saw 

something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey 

or something, then it wasn't there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw 

two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there 

was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the 

middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from 

where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just 

kept on running north. About fifteen blocks later, I had no idea that that was just the first 

tower that had come down. I had no idea at that time that that's what that was, and the 

other buildings were being affected, of course, by that building falling. I found another 

ambulance, I believe it was the 08 Adam, because it was Valdivia and Jose Perez. Joseph 

Valdivia used to be my partner on tour 3, and when I finally caught up to them, I told 

them what was happening. I told them whatever you do, don't go back that way cause 

they just blew up triage. I thought that they blew up our triage sector, cause that's where 

the command was and everything. That was the only thing that I had to go by, everybody 

that was there was gone. Cause a couple of the police officers that are now missing are 

guys that I had known, and that's where they were. The paramedic from Cabrini, that's 

where he was. I was just talking to him 20 minutes before everything blew up. I don't 

know where he ran, I don't know if he ran the wrong way, cause I know I ran the right 

way. If you ran the opposite way, you were dead. As I got like 15, 20 blocks away, now 

I'm on the West Side Highway cause I came out of this park and I found the other 

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ambulance. I saw my ex-partner, and I said get in this thing and drive it to Westchester. 

I told him get the hell out of the city. Get everyone was can get in this, I said shit's still 

blowing up down there. Whatever you do, don't go in that direction, start driving north. 

He was like, looking at me like I was insane. Cause I don't know if anyone saw what had 

happened. All you could see was black smoke and that's all I can see at that point. Now 

I'm in an area where all the reporters are coming up to me and asking what had 

happened, and I said I don't thinking I'm allowed to talk about it. Cause I don't know 

what happened, and I wasn't gonna tell anybody. You know, it was surreal, like it wasn't 

really happening. So then an EMS Lieutenant comes over, he sees me standing with 8 

Adam, and he says okay, you guys are gonna go three blocks south. I looked at him, and 

I said are you out of your mind? I found another guy from 8 David, Charles Gschlecht 

and we found each other as we were running. He couldn't find his partner, and I couldn't 

find mine, so we kind of synched up together, cause at least we knew each other and it's 

like, okay, we're okay. He said I can't find my partner. I said I can't find mine either, I 

think he got blown the wrong way. This guy was telling me that his partner went back in 

to help somebody, and that was the last we saw of either of them for awhile. That was 

the last I saw my partner for six whole days, cause I didn't come back to work after that. 

Q: Who was the lieutenant you saw, do you know? 

A: Yeah, Bobby Deleon. Bobby Deleon comes up to me, and I know him 

cause he used to be a union rep up in the Bronx when I worked up there a million years 

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ago, he tells us to take the vehicle, put me and Charles in the back of the vehicle and go 

three blocks south. Charles told him, are you out of your mind? We're not safe where 

we are, let alone three blocks south. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Get in the 

ambulance and go three blocks south. At that point I got really upset. I said, do you 

realize they just blew up our triage sector? Everybody back there is dead, everybody 

back there is gone. There is no reason for us to go back there, we don't have the proper 

protective equipment, we don't have the proper vehicles. There's no way I'm going back 

there, there's no reason to go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't be hysterical, just 

go back three blocks south. I'm not going three blocks south, he's not going three blocks 

south, this ambulance is not going three blocks south. Sean started telling him we're not 

safe where we are now, and we were fifteen blocks away. It was certainly not safe there. 

He was the whole time saying.. .cause at that point I was screaming at him, cause he 

wasn't in there. We were telling him what we saw, and he just wouldn't listen. Yeah, 

yeah, 1 know. 

hadn't realized that the first tower had fallen. f 

After 1 found out what actually 

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happened, cause I found that out about a week ago, that that's what I ran from. So then, I 

think it was an EMS chief, I'm not sure who it was. Now more people were starting to 

come to this location, and he says okay, here's what we're gonna do.. .everybody's gonna 

go back down that way on the West Side Highway, and it's okay cause we have a police 

escort. 

Q: Back south? 

A: Back south on the West Side Highway, it's be okay cause we have a 

police escort. I don't want any free-lancing, we're all gonna go back in a nice orderly 

fashion. At that point my chest started to hurt, I couldn't breathe cause all I was 

breathing in was this black crap, I started coughing up all this black crap, all this stuff 

that looked like goo, and if I had to run another 15 blocks, I would have been dead. 

There was no way I could do it. I saw Lieutenant Hanlon, who is a lieutenant out of this 

station at that point, and I sat in the back of the ambulance. I started getting really scared, 

and really upset, cause people were telling me to go back in and die. There was nothing 

else they were telling me to do at that point, cause that was all that was gonna happen. 

So I sat in the back of the ambulance, I was coughing up, I was coughing up. Everyone 

kept asking me do you want oxygen? I was like no, I don't want it to get pushed down, I 

want to bring it up. I took some cold water, I put it on my face, I tried to cough up into it, 

and my chest really started hurting. Then my left arm started hurting, then the whole left 

side of my body started hurting, and I was like no, there's no way this is gonna happen. 

Lieutenant Hanlon came over to me and said are you okay? I said no, and I don't 

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know where my partner is. At that point I was crying cause I had no idea where my 

partner was, I thought I was having a goddamn heart attack, and these people are telling 

me to go back in. So then when this EMS chief said what we're gonna do I said no, I 

have chest pain, I want to go to the hospital. So 8 Adam took me to the hospital, they 

took me to St. Vincent's. At the time we were setting up, getting ready to take me out, 

they took my blood pressure, which was a little high at the time, it's never been before in 

my life, but I think that's a good time for it to be high. 

Q: Did you take something? 

A: They put me on oxygen, put me in the stretcher. As they put me in the 

stretcher, somebody came over the EMS radio, said that the North Tower is leaning. As 

we started driving off, we saw the second tower fall. As we're driving away, debris is 

hitting the back of the ambulance. We were now about 20 blocks away, debris was 

hitting the back of the ambulance as we were watching this thing come down, it was just 

this huge cloud. It was me and Jose Perez in the back of the bus saying, I can't believe 

we're seeing this. When we saw the towers start coming, I took the oxygen off my face, 

me and Jose are yelling up to the front to Joe just drive. Put your foot on the floor and 

drive, drive as fast as you can out of here, it's coming down. Joe was like, I know I see 

it, and he had his foot on the floor, which meant we were going 30 miles an hour. Stuff 

was still hitting the back of the ambulance. All I kept thinking of is if this much crap is 

hitting the back of the bus and we're 20 blocks away, this lieutenant wanted us to go 3 

blocks south, and I'm thinking what happened to everybody who listened to this chief 

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and went back? I don't even know if they got a chance to go back. You know? Also, 

after I was running, I remember running, and I remember somebody yelling on the radio 

May Day, May Day, I'm trapped! Over the EMS radio. I was thinking May Day? That's 

not a term we use, you know 10- 13 or 85 forthwith, but somebody's yelling May Day, 

I'm trapped. Then you heard this loud buzz, and you didn't hear anymore transmissions 

after that until I would venture to guess it was 20 minutes to a half our later, and the first 

thing I remember hearing was somebody saying the North Tower is leaning. Within five 

minutes of that statement, the second tower came down. I spent the rest of my day at St. 

Vincent's hospital. 

Q: Okay, is there anything else you would like to add to this? 

A: I don't know if it matters, but I took the next three days off after that. I 

okay with it until the lieutenant wouldn't listen to me, and would not understand that it 

was dangerous to go back in. He wouldn't accept that from me or the other guy that was 

with me. So I took the next three days off sick. During that time I went to see two 

counselors, one that was set-up by the union. Cause needless to say, like everyone else in 

the city, I did not sleep, I was having nightmares, I think the first full meal I ate was 

. Then I went to go see an internist cause I started walking down the street 

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and all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe. I was trying to get back in the swing of things, 1 

. His statements to two of my co-workers, as well 

as a lieutenant was, it's part of the job. If I can't handle the job, I shouldn't have it. I 

don't think what any of us responded to that day was part of anyone's job, let alone ours. 

That was a military operation. Of course, what are you gonna do? It could have been my 

day off. I could have been shopping at Border's Books. > 

. I don't think anyone's ever been exposed to 

something like this before here. Of course not, but we all know EMS has a high rate of 

suicide. Not saying that that's gonna be my case cause no, I refuse, I wouldn't let 

anybody push me to that corner. 

Q: I'm glad to hear that. 

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A: But, this is what happens. This is one of the reasons that I pushed up my 

resignation date a lot quicker. Cause I was trying to hold out for another 8 months, as 

soon I can get another job I'm the hell outta here. It's not because of this event, cause 

other events like this will happen whether I'm on duty or off, it's the way I've been 

treated since. 

Q: I thank you very much for speaking to me, the time is 7:08 and this 

concludes the interview. 

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Exhibit B:

• Fernando Camacho (9110318_FernandoCamacho.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110318.PDF

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 File No. 9110318 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW 

 FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO 

 Interview Date: December 12, 2001 

 

 Transcribed by Laurie A. Collins 

 

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 F. CAMACHO 2 

 CHIEF KENAHAN: The time is 11:17 a.m., 

 and this is Battalion Chief Dennis Kenahan, 

 Safety Battalion of the Fire Department of 

 the City of New York. I am conducting an 

 interview with Fernando Camacho of Ladder 

 22, in the quarters of Ladder 22. 

 Q. Fernando, describe the events as you 

 recall them on September 11th. 

 A. On the morning of September 11th I was 

 on house watch, and it was about 8:00. A little 

 bit after 8, because I was watching the news, I 

 saw the first airplane or it would seem, an 

 explosion on one of the towers; I believe it was 

 the north tower. Chief Picciotto came down, 

 called the dispatcher and went out on his way 

 down. 

 Approximately 15 minutes later, both 

 the engine and the truck, we got our tickets to 

 go down to the World Trade Center. It took us 

 about maybe 20 minutes to get there. We came out 

 of our truck prepared to receive our orders, 

 walked down to the command post which was across 

 the street on the West Side Highway. It was 

 across the street from the north tower. We 

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 waited there approximately about 15 minutes for 

 our orders. 

 After we waited for a while, we were 

 told to go into the lobby of the Vista Hotel. We 

 proceeded along the right side of the highway, 

 basically the same side of the command post, down 

 to the south pedestrian bridge, under the 

 pedestrian bridge, to avoid being hit by bodies 

 and debris going down. 

 We came in through the corner of 

 Liberty and the West Side Highway into the Vista 

 Hotel. There was a setup, a small command post 

 or small gathering of firefighters there with a 

 couple of chiefs. I can't tell who they were. I 

 don't remember that. 

 We were in there approximately another 

 ten minutes. Lieutenant Riley came back from 

 talking to the chief, and we were assigned to go 

 to the 75th floor. We got our equipment together 

 and started walking up. Ladder 25 had gone ahead 

 of us about five minutes before we got assigned 

 to go to the 75th floor. 

 We went across the lobby of the hotel, 

 going north, and we exited and made a right going 

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 towards the second tower, the south tower. We 

 must have walked about 100-200 feet to revolving 

 doors, which led into a hallway to where the mall 

 was. I could see maybe 20, 25 civilians and I 

 believe Ladder 25, which was about another 100 to 

 150 feet ahead of us. 

 As we came in through the revolving 

 doors, the lights went out. A second or two 

 later everything started to shake. You could 

 hear explosions. We didn't know what it was. We 

 thought it was just a small collapse. 

 As I looked straight ahead of me, I saw 

 total darkness. Everything was coming our way 

 like a wave. The firefighters that were ahead of 

 us and the civilians that were ahead of us 

 totally disappeared. 

 We turned around. We were all pretty 

 much within ten feet of each other: lieutenant, 

 chauffeur, roof, OV, can. As we turned around, I 

 ran probably maybe ten feet and that's when the 

 body of the building or body of the collapse hit, 

 and we were flying through the air basically. I 

 must have flown 30, 40 feet through the air. 

 Then total quiet. You couldn't 

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 breathe. You couldn't see anything. None of the 

 equipment worked. My face piece was gone, 

 flashlight, helmet. There were about maybe five 

 or six civilians around us. We tried to get them 

 out, as we tried to make our way out. 

 We did a perimeter search. Everything 

 behind us was blocked and to our sides. We came 

 back out basically through the same way we came 

 into the building. We were facing the West Side 

 Highway now, but there was a hole in the side of 

 the building. So that's how we found our way 

 out. 

 The only thing I know is that it was 

 the roof, the OV and myself that got out. I had 

 the can. Lieutenant Riley and the chauffeur we 

 couldn't find. We didn't know if they were 

 trapped or they made their way out in some other 

 fashion. We found out later that they did make 

 their way out, through another exit or behind us. 

 The West Side Highway was still pretty 

 clear. There wasn't a lot of debris in front of 

 us. We made our way north underneath the 

 pedestrian bridge that's to the north. As we 

 approached the rig again, I was being tended by 

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 EMS for head wounds. 

 Five minutes after that the north tower 

 started to lean. 

 Q. You saw it leaning? 

 A. Yeah. 

 What happened was that as I was 

 standing there and getting bandaged, somebody 

 said the tower is leaning. So me and Gorman -- 

 he had the irons. We turned around and looked, 

 and we could see the tower leaning. As it 

 started to lean, it just came straight down. Now 

 we're running again. 

 Q. Which way was it leaning? Towards West 

 Street? 

 A. The tower was leaning not towards -- it 

 leaned somewhat northwest but not -- it came down 

 pretty straight after it leaned. It didn't 

 really continue to lean. It just leaned a little 

 bit and then came straight down. 

 Basically that's it. We ran and we 

 went into the high school that's I believe 

 somewhere -- 

 Q. On Chambers. 

 A. Chambers, yeah. It might be Chambers, 

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 a little further up from Chambers Street. We 

 came back out after the cloud passed us and 

 started helping out people that couldn't breathe 

 or were injured. 

 That's basically the bulk of the 

 information I can give. 

 Q. Fine. Let me get one thing straight. 

 From the time you noticed the leaning to the time 

 of it coming down, are we talking about seconds 

 here? 

 A. No more than three, four seconds. 

 Q. All right. Thank you for all your 

 help, Fernando. 

 A. No problem. 

 CHIEF KENAHAN: The time now is 11:27, 

 and this concludes the interview. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Exhibit C: Attachments:

• James McGlynn (9110447_JamesMcGlynn.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110447.PDF

• DanWalker (9110341_DanWalker.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110341.PDF

• Glen Asaeda (9110062_GlenAsaeda.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110062.PDF

• George Kozlowski (9110308_GeorgeKozlowski.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110308.PDF

• Patrick McNally (9110199_PatrickMcNally.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110199.PDF

• John Malley (9110319_JohnMalley.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110319.PDF

• Kevin Gorman (9110434_KevinGorman.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110434.PDF

• Kenneth Escoffery (9110460_KennethEscoffery.PDF)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110460.PDF

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