EXHIBIT 8 

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Sim, Charlie

From: Zhu, Michelle J.

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 11:07 AM

To: Jason Wietholter

Cc: Robb, Andrew; Angeline Alcoriza; opp.headwater.verizon@raklaw.com; rak_headwater@raklaw.com; 

*** GDCVerizon-Headwater

Subject: RE: Headwater Research v. Verizon et al (Case 2:23-cv-00352) - Correspondence (HIGHLY 

CONFIDENTIAL - ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY) 

Counsel, 

We have asked repeatedly, in both correspondence and on the meet and confer call, for Headwater to identify where in 

its infringement contentions it believes it has reasonable and particularly accused network-side functionality. We see 

that Headwater has only pointed to pages 10–13 of Exhibit G. Accordingly, without agreeing to the adequacy of those 

allegations, Verizon will perform a reasonable search for technical documentation relating to network-side technologies 

described in pages 10–13 of Exhibit G. 

As for Headwater’s repeated citation to conclusory language in the cover pleading or the introductory line of the claim 

charts, we have repeatedly explained that such vague, conclusory statements are inappropriate, including because they 

give us no guidance on what we are supposed to be searching for, and it is not up to us to guess at which network-side 

technologies Headwater potentially might intend to accuse of infringement. 

We also want to correct an inaccurate suggestion in your email below relating to the meet and confer call. On the call, 

we noted that Headwater included screenshots of Verizon’s website, allegedly showing various phone types and data 

plans available for purchase. But Headwater uses those images in an attempt to establish the existence of phones that 

implement those data plans—not to accuse the website itself of including any infringing technology. Indeed, both 

parties agreed on the call that Headwater is surely not looking for the HTML code for the website in the technical 

productions. This exchange further supports Verizon’s position—that even when Headwater included images of 

Verizon’s website, the focus of the allegations was still on the end-user device. 

Accordingly, Verizon will proceed with collecting materials relating to the technologies described in pages 10–13 of 

Exhibit G. If Headwater continues to demand production of network-side technologies without providing greater clarity, 

we expect court intervention will be necessary to resolve the impasse. 

Michelle J. Zhu 

Associate Attorney 

T: 202.777.9413 

MZhu@gibsondunn.com

GIBSON DUNN 

Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP 

1050 Connecticut Avenue N.W., Washington, D.C. 20036-5306

From: Jason Wietholter <jwietholter@raklaw.com> 

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 3:29 PM 

To: Zhu, Michelle J. <MZhu@gibsondunn.com> 

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Subject: Re: Headwater Research v. Verizon et al (Case 2:23-cv-00352) - Correspondence (HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL - 

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Counsel, 

We have identified, in writing, where in the infringement contentions Headwater has accused network-side 

functionalities on several occasions. 

Indeed, following the parties’ January 12, 2024, meet and confer, and as explained in my January 12, 2024 email, 

Headwater's amended infringement contentions, “provid[e] further detail with respect to the accused instrumentalities 

to confirm that the parties are on the same page as to the scope of the accused products.” We explained that 

Headwater’s "infringement theories remain the same” with Headwater "merely providing further detail as requested by 

Verizon and in light of the progression of the case,” including "additional exemplary evidence from Verizon’s confidential 

documents.” Our amended contentions served with that email clarify that the "Accused Instrumentalities” include 

"smartphones, basic phones, tablets, laptops, and hotspot devices sold (including those sold in bundles with data plans) 

or used by Verizon in conjunction with Verizon’s servers, hardware, software, and services leased, owned, supported, 

and/or operated by Verizon comprising Verizon’s wireless network services, and all versions and variations thereof since 

the issuance of the asserted patent.” Headwater further identified Verizon’s confidential documents produced after 

Headwater’s initial infringement contentions were served, identifying Verizon "Servers, hardware, software, and 

services leased, owned, supported, and/or operated by Verizon comprising Verizon’s wireless network services 

functionality, including but not limited to “OTADM,” “PROPOTA” “VZOTADM,” “FOTA,” “SDM,” and/or “DM.” See, e.g., 

VZN- HW0174593, VZN-HW0177231, VZN-HW0173610, VZN-HW0169149.” Headwater’s 1/12/24 Preliminary 

Infringement Contentions cover pleading. 

Headwater identified the same, publicly available, accused network-side functionality identified above during the 

parties’ January 12, 2024, meet and confer. For instance, Headwater's counsel walked Verizon's counsel through 

Headwater’s infringement charts and cover pleadings, identifying the accused network-side functionalities, including 

"Verizon’s servers, hardware, software, and services leased, owned, supported, and/or operated by Verizon comprising 

Verizon’s wireless network services” and that "Verizon offers telecommunications service plans to customers that are 

provided through various network elements such as telecommunications base stations and cell sites, edge servers, and 

other telecommunications servers. Verizon provides various network service plans to customers for purchase, including 

through the Verizon.com website as well as through Verizon-provided services such as its pre-paid mobile service 

category, Total By Verizon.” See, e.g., Headwater’s 9/28/23 Preliminary Infringement Contentions, Ex. G at 1. 

Headwater’s counsel further identified specific citations in Headwater’s infringement charts, such as "Verizon’s network 

receives an attach request, bearer resource allocation request, bearer resource modification request, or PDN 

connectivity request from a wireless end-user device (UE), which includes a report comprising information about the 

UE’s service state such as UE network capability, UE status, and protocol configuration options (PCO)” and identifying 

3GPP TS 24.301 v15.03 citations in Headwater’s charts. See, e.g., id. at 10-13. Verizon’s counsel acknowledged these 

specific examples and others provided by Headwater’s 9/8/23 infringement contentions, specifically that Headwater’s 

infringement contentions identified “Data Boost” and other aspects of Verizon’s plans. 

Headwater also identified the same accused functionality before the parties’ meet and confer as explained and 

identified in my November 14, 2023, and January 4, 2024, letters. 

Regards, 

Jason Wietholter

Russ, August & Kabat

12424 Wilshire Boulevard, 12th Floor | Los Angeles, California 90025 

Main +1 310 826 7474 | jwietholter@raklaw.com | www.raklaw.com

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On Jan 19, 2024, at 7:04 AM, Zhu, Michelle J. <MZhu@gibsondunn.com> wrote: 

Counsel, 

 

We are following up on our meet and confer on last Friday, January 12. Thank you for promptly 

producing your amended infringement contentions. On the call, we discussed that you would also 

identify, in writing, where in the infringement contentions Headwater believes it has accused networkside functionalities, so we can better consider Headwater’s position. If you could please provide that 

information. 

 

Also, to confirm: we stated on the call that we would produce materials on a rolling basis, and that we 

expected to produce additional materials, including testing, design, and historic materials, in the coming 

months. You asked us to put that in writing, which we are doing now. 

 

Best, 

 

Michelle J. Zhu 

Associate Attorney 

T: 202.777.9413 

MZhu@gibsondunn.com

GIBSON DUNN 

Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP 

1050 Connecticut Avenue N.W., Washington, D.C. 20036-5306

 

From: Jason Wietholter <jwietholter@raklaw.com> 

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 10:54 AM 

To: Robb, Andrew <ARobb@gibsondunn.com> 

Cc: Angeline Alcoriza 

<aalcoriza@raklaw.com>; opp.headwater.verizon@raklaw.com; rak_headwater@raklaw.com; *** 

GDCVerizon-Headwater <GDCVerizon-Headwater@gibsondunn.com> 

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Thanks, Robb. Talk to you at 11:00AM PT. 

 

Jason Wietholter

Russ, August & Kabat

12424 Wilshire Boulevard, 12th Floor | Los Angeles, California 90025 

Main +1 310 826 7474 | jwietholter@raklaw.com | www.raklaw.com

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On Jan 11, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Robb, Andrew <ARobb@gibsondunn.com> wrote: 

 

That works. Let’s aim for 11:00 AM PT. We can also address, at least at a high level, the 

correspondence Headwater just sent. 

 

Andrew Robb 

Associate Attorney 

T: +1 650.849.5334 | M: +1 408.960.9187

ARobb@gibsondunn.com

GIBSON DUNN

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From: Jason Wietholter <jwietholter@raklaw.com> 

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 8:09 AM 

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Cc: Angeline Alcoriza 

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Hi Andrew, 

 

Are you available at either 10AM or 11AM PT tomorrow? We can plan to use this dial-in: 

424-334-0565 (no pin needed). 

 

Thanks, 

Jason Wietholter

Russ, August & Kabat

12424 Wilshire Boulevard, 12th Floor | Los Angeles, California 90025 

Main +1 310 826 7474 | jwietholter@raklaw.com | www.raklaw.com

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Counsel – given the back and forth correspondence, it would probably 

be most efficient to set up a call on this. Are the relevant members of 

your team available on Friday? If so, please let us know. Currently, I’m 

flexible that day other than 1:00 – 2:00 PT. 

 

Best regards, 

Andrew 

 

Andrew Robb 

Associate Attorney 

T: +1 650.849.5334 | M: +1 408.960.9187

ARobb@gibsondunn.com

GIBSON DUNN

Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP 

310 University Avenue, Palo Alto, CA 94301-1744 

From: Angeline Alcoriza <aalcoriza@raklaw.com> 

Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:35 PM 

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Subject: Headwater Research v. Verizon et al (Case 2:23-cv-00352) - 

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Counsel, 

 

Please see the attached correspondence. 

 

Best, 

Angeline Alcoriza 

Legal Assistant to Jason Wietholter, Daniel Kolko, Dale Chang and Minna 

Chan 

Russ August & Kabat

12424 Wilshire Boulevard, 12th Floor | Los Angeles, CA 90025 

M: (310) 826-7474 | aalcoriza@raklaw.com 

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