UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR VETERANS CLAIMS 

No. 21-8048 

BRYAN J. HELD, APPELLANT, 

V. 

DENIS MCDONOUGH, 

SECRETARY OF VETERANS AFFAIRS, APPELLEE. 

On Appeal from the Board of Veterans' Appeals 

(Argued October 5, 2023 Decided November 14, 2023) 

Kenneth H. Dojaquez, of Topeka, Kansas, for appellant. 

James R. Drysdale, with whom Catherine C. Mitrano, Acting General Counsel; Mary Ann 

Flynn, Chief Counsel; and Jonathan G. Scruggs, Acting Deputy Chief Counsel, all of Washington, 

D.C., were on the brief for the appellee. 

Before ALLEN, FALVEY, and JAQUITH, Judges. 

ALLEN, Judge: Words matter. And, for a court, when Congress uses the words at issue, 

they matter a lot. When stripped to its essentials, this appeal is about our duty to apply the law 

Congress enacted—not the one the Agency might have wished Congress had put on the books. 

Appellant Bryan J. Held is a VA-accredited agent who agreed to represent U.S. Army 

veteran Eric D. Roberts on a contingent-fee basis before VA, an arrangement in which appellant 

would be entitled to receive 20% of past-due benefits awarded to the veteran based on appellant's 

representation. Appellant assisted the veteran in making a motion to revise a February 2017 VA 

regional office (RO) decision dealing with the veteran's PTSD disability rating based on clear and 

unmistakable error (CUE). That motion was successful, leading to an award of past-due benefits 

in a December 2019 RO decision. Appellant then sought fees for his successful representation of 

the veteran in connection with the CUE motion. This appeal, which is timely and over which the 

Court has jurisdiction,1

 concerns an August 24, 2021, Board of Veterans' Appeals decision that 

denied appellant any fees for his work in connection with the veteran's successful CUE motion. 

1 See 38 U.S.C. §§ 7252(a), 7266(a). 
2 

To summarize what follows, we will reverse the Board's decision that appellant is barred 

from receiving fees as a matter of law and remand this matter for further proceedings concerning 

whether agent fees are warranted under the fee agreement between appellant and the veteran. At 

the time of the December 2019 RO decision on the veteran's CUE motion, 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1) 

provided that "a fee may not be charged, allowed, or paid for services of agents and attorneys with 

respect to services provided before the date on which a claimant is provided notice of the agency 

of original jurisdiction's [(AOJ's)] initial decision under section 5104 of this title with respect to 

the case."2 The parties agree—and the Court concurs—that under section 5904(c)(1), the "initial 

decision . . . with respect to the case" refers to the February 2017 RO decision concerning the 

veteran's PTSD rating, the decision in which the veteran later asserted CUE was present. The 

parties also agree—and the Court concurs—that notice of that February 2017 decision was 

provided under 38 U.S.C. § 5104. So, everything that Congress required under section 5904(c)(1) 

to warrant a fee was in place when the RO granted the veteran's CUE motion in December 2019. 

This would appear to be an open and shut statutory case for awarding a fee. And it should have 

been as far as the statute was concerned. 

So, why are we here? The answer is that the Board skipped over the statute Congress 

enacted. Instead, the Board relied on a regulation, 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(c)(2)(ii), to deny the fees 

appellant sought. 3 That regulation adds requirements to what Congress included in section 

5904(C)(1) as that statute existed in December 2019 when VA granted the veteran's CUE motion. 

Although § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) does not use the statutory phrase "initial decision . . . with respect to 

the case," it nevertheless provides that agents (or attorneys) may charge fees in cases involving the 

representation of a veteran with a decision subject to a CUE motion. However, § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) 

conditions the entitlement to such fees on the filing of a qualifying Notice of Disagreement (NOD) 

on or after June 20, 2007. Both parties agree that the veteran here did not file such an NOD and 

that if § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is valid, appellant is not entitled to a fee as a matter of law. 

Appellant challenges the validity of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii), asserting that its fee limitation based 

on the submission of an NOD is inconsistent with the plain language of 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1). 

This matter was referred to a panel of the Court primarily to address whether § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) 

2

 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1). 

3

 We don't fault the Board for relying on the regulation. It was bound to do so. See 38 C.F.R. § 20.105 (2023).
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invalidly conditions eligibility for fees in connection with a successful CUE motion to revise an 

RO decision that had been issued before the effective date of the Veterans Appeals Improvement 

and Modernization Act of 2017 (AMA),4 on an NOD having been filed with respect to the 

challenged decision on or after June 20, 2007. We held oral argument in this matter on October 5, 

2023, at the University of Florida Levin College of Law.5

 We thank the students, staff, and faculty 

of the College of Law for their hospitality during our visit. 

Because section 5904(c)(1) as it existed at the time of the December 2019 rating decision 

granting the veteran's CUE motion (and today) does not condition the eligibility for entitlement to 

attorney or agent fees on the filing of an NOD at any time, we hold that VA's implementing 

regulation, §14.636(c)(2)(ii), that includes such a requirement is invalid. Under the statute, an 

agent (or attorney) is eligible for a fee once "notice of the [AOJ's] initial decision under section 

5104 of this title with respect to the case" has been issued.6

 Requiring more than what Congress 

put into place is unlawful. Therefore, we will invalidate §14.636(c)(2)(ii) and reverse the August 

24, 2021, Board decision that relied on that regulation to deny appellant agent fees as a matter of 

law. We will then remand this matter for the Board to consider whether, with the regulation 

removed from the equation, appellant is entitled to a fee, including based on the Secretary's lateraised argument concerning the terms of the fee agreement between appellant and the veteran. 

I. BACKGROUND 

The veteran served on active duty in the United States Army from June 1984 to August 

1984, November 1990 to June 1991, and June 2004 to June 2007.7

 In December 2016, the veteran 

filed a request for a temporary total disability rating (100%) for his service-connected PTSD. At 

the time of his request, the veteran was in receipt of disability benefits for PTSD rated at 70%, 

effective August 2010.8 In February 2017, the RO granted the veteran's request for a temporary 

4

 Pub. L. No. 115-55, 131 Stat. 1105 (2017) (codified in various sections of title 38, U.S. Code). 

5 Oral Argument (OA), Held v. McDonough, U.S. Vet. App. No. 21-8048 (oral argument held Oct. 5, 2023), 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81c4iWG4zeg. 

6

 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1). 

7

 Record (R.) at 4 (Aug. 2021 Board decision). 

8

 R. at 2919 (Feb. 2017 rating code summary). 
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total disability rating based on a period of hospitalization.9 The RO also stated (erroneously as it 

turns out) that following the temporary total disability rating, the veteran would revert to his "prior 

evaluation of 50%."10

In August 2017, the veteran submitted correspondence to VA indicating that his PTSD 

rating was improperly reduced.11 The following month, VA informed the veteran that it would not 

take further action unless he "1) filed . . . a VA Form 21-0958, NOD, to the February 2017 rating 

decision, 2) submitted or identified new evidence related to the previously denied issue, or 3) 

identified CUE in the February 2017 rating decision."12

In March 2018, the veteran appointed appellant to represent him in proceedings before VA 

and submitted a fee agreement providing for a 20% contingency fee for appellant's representation 

leading to an award of past-due benefits.13 The Board found this fee agreement "to be valid, as it 

was properly filed with VA and contains all required information in accordance with 38 C.F.R. 

§ 14.636(g)."14 In September 2018, the veteran, through appellant, moved to revise the February 

2017 RO decision based on CUE. The veteran argued that the RO erroneously reduced his 

disability rating for PTSD from 70% to 50% after his temporary total disability rating had 

expired.15 

In February 2019, while the veteran's CUE motion was pending, VA implemented the 

AMA, the new, modernized appeal system that Congress had created. In December 2019, the RO 

granted the veteran's CUE motion, acknowledging that the veteran was entitled to, and should have 

received, a 70% disability rating for PTSD after his temporary total disability rating expired.16 

9

 R. at 2922-24 (Feb. 2017 RO decision). 

10 Id. at 2923. 

11 R. at 6 (Aug. 2021 Board decision). 

12 Id. The August 2017 correspondence and September 2017 VA letter in response are not included in the record of 

proceedings before the Court. However, neither party disputes the content of these communications. 

13 See R. at 2854.

14 R. at 6. This is a favorable finding that the Court lacks jurisdiction to review. See Medrano v. Nicholson, 21 Vet.App. 

165, 170 (2007), aff'd in part, dismissed in part sub nom. Medrano v. Shinseki, 332 F. App'x 625 (Fed. Cir. 2009). 

15 R. at 2818 (Sept. 2018 CUE motion). 

16 R. at 1186 (Dec. 2019 RO decision). The veteran's disability rating was reduced without affording him his due 

process right to contest the reduction. Id.; see 38 C.F.R § 3.105(e) (2017). 
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In April 2020, appellant sought entitlement to fees that he had earned by representing the 

veteran throughout the successful CUE motion proceedings.17 In March 2021, the RO denied 

appellant's fee request, stating that "[b]efore February 2019 fees were only payable for 

representation after a notice of [sic] NOD was filed with respect to a decision."18 The RO stated 

that, because the February 2017 RO decision was not the subject of an appeal before the veteran 

made his September 2018 CUE motion, "this award warrants no direct payment of fees." 19

Appellant appealed the VA's denial of fees to the Board, contending that he was eligible to receive 

fees for work that resulted in the favorable December 2019 RO decision. 

In the August 2021 decision on appeal, the Board continued to deny appellant fees. While 

the Board cited section 5904, it did not address the language Congress used in that statute. Instead, 

the Board relied on VA's regulation dealing with fees associated with CUE motions when the 

decision being challenged in such a motion had been issued before the AMA became effective. 

The Board explained that this regulation, § 14.636(c)(2)(ii), required that, to earn a fee when CUE 

is found in a pre-AMA RO decision, a qualifying NOD must have been filed on or after June 20, 

2007. The Board concluded that "[a]s no NOD had been filed, the appellant is not entitled to fees 

for his representation with respect to the request for a revision of the February 2017 rating 

decision[,] . . . there is no legal basis to grant the claim under . . . § 14.636(c)(2)(ii)."20 Appellant 

appealed that decision to the Court, leading to today's decision. 

II. ANALYSIS

A. Section 5904(c)(1)'s plain language allows fees in the situation before the Court. 

There is no dispute that at the time VA granted the veteran's CUE motion in December 

2019, section 5904(c)(1) provided as follows as relevant to this appeal: 

A fee may not be charged, allowed, or paid for services of agents and 

attorneys with respect to services provided before the date on which a 

17 R. at 1153-54 (Apr. 2020 fee request). 

18 R. at 564 (Mar. 2021 VA summary of the case). 

19 R. at 565. 

20 R. at 7-8.
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claimant is provided notice of the agency of original jurisdiction's initial 

decision under section 5140 of this title with respect to the case.[21] 

Our role when interpreting a statute is well settled. "We look to the plain meaning of the 

statute, and when we find the plain meaning, our job is simply to apply it."22 Here, Congress 

provided that a fee was permissible after VA provided notice under section 5104 of the "initial 

decision . . . with respect to the case."23 Congress imposed no other requirements with respect to 

an agent or attorney charging a fee. 

When we consider this plain and unambiguous statutory language in conjunction with the 

undisputed facts, the answer to the legal question before us is clear. Both parties agree that the 

"case" for which fees are at issue is the veteran's claim concerning his disability rating for PTSD.24

Next, both parties agree that the "initial decision" with respect to that case is the February 2017 

rating decision.25 And there is no dispute that VA provided the veteran notice of the February 2017 

rating decision under section 5104.26 There simply is no doubt that appellant is entitled to a fee as 

far as the statute goes. 

B. 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is inconsistent with section 5904(c)(1). 

Despite the plain language of section 5904(c)(1), the Board relied on § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) to 

deny appellant's claim for agent fees.27 The Board had no discretion about whether to apply that 

regulation because Board members are required to apply the regulations set forth in title 38 of the 

Code of Federal Regulations.28 Section 14.636(c)(2)(ii) provides: 

Agents and attorneys may charge fees for representation provided with 

respect to a request for revision of a decision of an agency of original 

jurisdiction under 38 U.S.C. § 5109A or the Board of Veteran's Appeals 

under 38 U.S.C. § 7111 based on clear and unmistakable error if notice of 

21 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1) (2019). 

22 Frantzis v. McDonough, 35 Vet.App. 354, 360-61 (2022); see Kisor v. Wilkie, 139 S. Ct. 2400, 2415 (2019); Artis 

v. District of Columbia, 583 U.S. 71, 83 (2018); Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Nat. Res. Def. Council, Inc., 467 U.S. 837, 

842-43 (1984); Frederick v. Shinseki, 684 F.3d 1263, 1269 (Fed. Cir. 2012). 

23 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1). 

24 OA at 16:00-:26, 50:48-:58, 57:35-58:15. 

25 OA at 16:00-:26, 30:05-:35, 50:48-:58. 

26 OA at 12:54-13:20. In his brief, the Secretary cites VA's letter/decision notifying the veteran of the February 2017 

RO decision. Secretary's Brief (Br.) at 2 (citing R. at 2900). 

27 R. at 7-8. 

28 38 C.F.R. § 20.105. 
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the challenged decision was issued before the effective date of the 

modernized review system as provided in § 19.2(a); a[n NOD] was filed 

with respect to the challenged decision on or after June 20, 2007; and the 

agent or attorney has complied with the power of attorney requirements in 

§ 14.631 and the fee agreement requirements in paragraph (g) of this 

section.[29] 

If this regulation is valid, we must affirm the Board's decision. But it's not. 

On its face, § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) limits paid representation to those cases in which "a[n NOD] 

was filed with respect to the challenged decision on or after June 20, 2007[.]"30 Simply stating the 

obvious, § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) requires more than Congress required in section 5904(c)(1) concerning 

when an agent or attorney may charge a fee. It is clear that section 5904(c)(1) only restricts an 

attorney or agent's ability to obtain fees for work performed "before the date on which a claimant 

is provided notice of the agency of original jurisdiction's initial decision under section 5104 of this 

title with respect to the case." We repeat: When the words of a statute are clear, that is the end of 

our inquiry.31 Because section 5904(c)(1) as it existed at the time of the December 2019 rating 

decision granting the veteran's CUE motion does not restrict the ability of an attorney or agent to 

charge fees based on the filing of an NOD, VA's regulation § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) containing that 

restriction is in conflict with the text of the statute.32 We have the authority to "hold unlawful and 

set aside" regulations that are "in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations" to the 

extent such action is necessary to decide a given case.33 We will exercise that authority today. We 

hold that § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is invalid because it is inconsistent with section 5904(c)(1).34 

29 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). 

30 Id.

31 See Frantzis, 35 Vet.App. at 360-61; see Kisor, 139 S. Ct. at 2415; Artis, 583 U.S. at 83; Chevron, 467 U.S. at 842-

43; Frederick, 684 F.3d at 1269.

32 Bates v. United States, 522 U.S. 23, 29 (1997) ("[W]e ordinarily resist reading words or elements into a statute that 

do not appear on its face."). 

33 38 U.S.C. § 7261(a)(3)(C). 

34 See, e.g,. Spicer v. McDonough, 61 F.4th 1360, 1366 (Fed. Cir. 2023) (striking down a VA regulation as unlawful 

when it was inconsistent with a statute Congress had enacted); Terry v. McDonough, __ Vet.App. __, __, 2023 U.S. 

App. Vet. Claims LEXIS 1620, at *26 (Oct. 19, 2023) (same); Crumlich v. Wilkie, 31 Vet.App. 194, 203-04 (2019) 

(same); Staab v. McDonald, 28 Vet.App. 50, 55 (2016) (same). 
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C. Caselaw underscores the invalidity of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). 

 The plain language of section 5904(c)(1) as of the December 2019 decision is enough to 

decide this case. However, caselaw concerning the award of agent and attorney fees over the years 

underscores our holding. 

Congress has long recognized the importance of a VA claimant's ability to retain paid 

representation for assistance with VA benefits claims. In fact, "Congress has thrice changed the 

triggering event for when attorneys' fees may be charged, each time shifting the entry point for 

such fees—and thus a claimant's ability to retain paid representation—earlier in the administrative 

appeals process."35 Congress sets forth its fee regulations in section 5904(c)(1).36 

In 1988, when section 5904(c)(1) was first enacted, attorneys could only charge fees for 

work performed after the Board made "a final decision in the case."37 Then, in 2006, Congress 

amended section 5904(c)(1) to allow attorneys to charge fees for work performed after an NOD 

"is filed with respect to the case."38 And in 2019, when the AMA took effect,39 Congress amended 

its fee statute to state the language we have before us today: 

A fee may not be charged, allowed, or paid for services of agents and attorneys with 

respect to services provided before the date on which a claimant is provided notice 

of the agency of original jurisdiction's initial decision under section 5140 of this 

title with respect to the case.[40] 

The Federal Circuit explained that the latest amendment "was part of a continuing 

congressional effort to enlarge the scope of activities for which attorneys can receive compensation 

for assisting veterans."41 Although the language in section 5904(c)(1) is unambiguous, we will 

35 Mil.-Veterans Advoc. Inc. v. Sec'y of Veterans Affairs (MVA), 7 F.4th 1110, 1135 (Fed. Cir. 2021) (providing a 

thorough review of the statutory history since 1864, when attorneys were first allowed to charge fees for their work 

on VA benefits claims). 

36 Formerly 38 U.S.C. §3404(c)(1). 

37 38 U.S.C. § 3404(c)(1) (1988). 

38 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1) (2006). 

39 AMA, Pub. L. No. 115-55 sec. 2(x) (the AMA "shall apply to all claims for which notice of a decision under section 

5104 of title 38, United States Code, is provided by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs," on or after February 19, 2019, 

the effective date of the AMA). 

40 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1) (2019). 

41 MVA, 7 F.4th at 1136. 
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review the Federal Circuit's consideration of these fee statutes because that consideration 

underscores our conclusion in this appeal. 

In 2002, the Federal Circuit interpreted the language from the 1988 version of section 

5904(c)(1) in Stanley v. Principi.

42 In Stanley, an attorney was seeking fees for work performed in 

a veteran's case that led to a successful motion to reopen a previous unappealed adverse decision. 

At the time Stanley was decided, an attorney could not charge a fee until the Board had issued a 

final decision. Because the Board had issued the decision that reopened the veteran's claim, the 

primary issue in Stanley was whether that decision to reopen constituted a final decision for fee 

purposes. 

Stanley is important for this appeal because it held that section 5904(c)(1) "was designed 

to allow attorneys' fees, after the initial claims proceeding, in connection with proceedings to 

reopen a claim [based on] . . . clear and unmistakable error."43 The Federal Circuit explained that 

"VA clearly concluded that the definition of a final decision on an issue must be liberal enough to 

allow attorneys' fees in reopening proceedings."44 The court concluded that a Board decision 

reopening a claim constituted a final decision for the purposes of entitlement to obtaining fees.45

While certainly not dispositive, Stanley supports appellant's position that he is entitled to fees for 

work performed in the connection with the veteran's CUE motion because, despite interpreting a 

more restrictive version of section 5904(c)(1) then in place, the Federal Circuit made clear that an 

attorney (or agent) can get paid for work performed on a claim to reopen an earlier final decision 

based on CUE. 

In 2006, the Federal Circuit decided Carpenter v. Nicholson.

46 In Carpenter, the Federal 

Circuit also considered the issue of entitlement to attorney fees where an attorney represented a 

veteran who sought to revise a prior final decision based on CUE. Carpenter was primarily about 

how a "case" was defined under an earlier version of section 5904(c)(1). The Federal Circuit 

reaffirmed the interpretation of section 5904(c)(1) set forth in Stanley, holding that "a veteran's 

42 283 F.3d 1350 (Fed. Cir. 2002). 

43 Id. at 1358. 

44 Id.

45 Id. at 1358-59.

46 452 F.3d 1379, 1383 (Fed. Cir. 2006). 
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claim based on the specified disability does not become a different 'case' at each stage of the often 

lengthy and complex proceedings, including remands as well as reopenings as in Stanley."47

Particularly, the Federal Circuit emphasized that "the reopening of a claim . . . [based on CUE] is 

within the statutory entitlement to attorney fees."48 

Carpenter also supports appellant's position because it underscores that the December 2019 

decision granting the veteran's CUE motion in our appeal was part of the same "case" as the initial 

decision in February 2017. And, as we have discussed, the version of section 5904(c)(1) that was 

in effect when VA issued the December 2019 decision granting the veteran's CUE motion allowed 

for an agent and an attorney to obtain a fee in that situation so long as notice under section 5014 

had been provided, as it was here in connection with the 2017 initial decision in the "case." 

But even more telling than these decisions concerning earlier versions of section 5904 is 

the Federal Circuit's 2021 decision in MVA. In that case, the Federal Circuit addressed challenges 

under the Administrative Procedure Act to several regulations VA had adopted to implement the 

AMA. One such challenge concerned 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(c)(1)(i) dealing with the allowance of 

fees to attorneys and agents for work performed at the AOJ with respect to supplemental claims.49

VA's regulation provided that an attorney or agent could not charge a fee for a supplemental claim 

that was filed more than 1 year after the "initial decision" in a "case" even though fees were 

available in connection with a supplement claim filed within 1 year of such an "initial decision."50

The Federal Circuit invalidated that regulation, a companion to the one before us, holding that "§ 

14.636(c)(1)(i) is contrary with [sic] the plain and ordinary meaning of [section] 5904(c)(1)[,]" 

because it distinguished between two types of supplemental claims, allowing fees to be charged 

for one but not the other.51 The Federal Circuit explained that section 5904(c)(1) unambiguously 

47 Id. at 1384. 

48 Id. at 1379. 

49 MVA, 7 F.4th at 1135-41. A "supplemental claim" is "a claim for benefits under laws administered by the Secretary 

filed by a claimant who had previously filed a claim for the same or similar benefits on the same or similar basis." 38 

U.S.C. § 101(36). 

50 MVA, 7 4th at 1137. 

51 Id. at 1141. In its decision on appeal, the Board also concluded that appellant was not entitled to past-due benefits 

under § 14.636(c)(1)(i), which, as we have explained, was invalidated per MVA. The Board's reliance on the invalid 

§ 14.636(c)(1)(i) as additional support to deny appellant fees does not undercut our statutory analysis that invalidates 

§ 14.636 (c)(2)(ii), the Board's primary reason for denying appellant fees in this appeal. Indeed, the Federal Circuit in 

MVA invalidated § 14.636(c)(1)(i) using the same support and similar analysis that we use today to invalidate 
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permits paid representation for "all forms of administrative review under the AMA."52 The Federal 

Circuit explained that section 5904(c)(1) contained no limitation on representatives' fees other than 

requiring "notice of the . . . initial decision . . . with respect to the case."53 Of course, that is 

precisely the point we have made about the Secretary's regulation concerning fees related to CUE 

motions addressing initial decisions before the AMA became effective. Further, the Federal Circuit 

reinforced its decisions in Stanley and Carpenter, holding that "we have never denied attorneys' 

fees for work performed on reopening proceedings . . . § 5904(c)(1) plainly permits paid 

representation for all forms of administrative review after the AOJ's initial decision on the original 

claim for benefits." 54 There is no more justification for VA adding requirements to section 

5904(c)(1) for CUE motions than there was for such an action with respect to supplemental claims. 

It is clear that navigating the VA benefits system can be a complicated endeavor. And there 

is no question that it is particularly difficult to overcome a final unappealed decision. The evolution 

of section 5904 reflects congressional recognition of the importance of allowing veterans to obtain 

representation and for their representatives to charge fees, including in the context of reopening 

matters, especially those involving CUE motions. Further, the caselaw makes clear that limiting 

fees for work performed by representatives in CUE matters to only those cases in which an NOD 

had been filed on or before June 2007 would preclude payment of fees in most CUE cases—an 

outcome the Secretary acknowledged during oral argument.55 There is no doubt that this would be 

detrimental to veterans because it would deter representatives from taking cases involving CUE 

motions. Indeed, in many cases involving CUE, an NOD would not have been filed because the 

"sole purpose of a CUE [motion] is to provide a VA claimant with an opportunity to challenge a 

decision that is otherwise final and unappealable."56

§14.636 (c)(2)(ii). 

52 Id. at 1138. 

53 Id. 

54 Id. We note that the Federal Circuit also rejected VA's argument that the court should assume that Congress 

implicitly adopted VA's longstanding practices under the legacy system when it enacted the AMA. The court stated 

that "it [is] unlikely that Congress intended to preserve the VA's 'longstanding interpretation' of the fee statutory 

provision from the superseded legacy system, especially where the regulation at issue contradicts both the plain and 

ordinary meaning of the statutory provision and the statutory history." Id. at 1140. 

55 OA at 46:30-55:46. 

56 See May v. Nicholson, 19 Vet.App. 310, 317 (2005) (emphasis omitted), aff'd, 208 F. App'x 924 (Fed. Cir. 2006). 
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During oral argument, the Secretary asserted that there was no need for representation in 

this matter because the error VA made in the February 2017 decision was easily corrected when 

brought to the Agency's attention.57 However, the record clearly refutes the Secretary's assertion. 

The record shows that the veteran attempted to correct the issue on his own before obtaining 

representation, but he was unsuccessful in his self-represented attempt to have VA fix its obvious 

mistake.58 So, if anything, this series of events underscores the importance of representation by an 

agent or attorney. 

D. The Secretary's arguments defending § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) are unpersuasive. 

We have just explained that (1) section 5904(c)(1) is unambiguous and plainly allows a fee 

in the situation before the Court and (2) §14.636(c)(2)(ii) is inconsistent with the statute because 

it requires that an agent or attorney do more than Congress required in order to charge a fee. Our 

reasoning is straightforward. The statute in place at the time of the December 2019 rating decision 

granting the veteran's CUE motion unquestionably allowed an agent or attorney to charge a fee. 

And the law does not allow an Agency to preempt Congress via a regulation. 

The Secretary mounts a defense of the regulation on which the Board relied that injects 

needless complexity into what is, in reality, a straightforward matter. In a nutshell, the Secretary 

argues that we should reject appellant's argument that § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is invalid because the 

regulation is consistent with the legacy fee statute that was in place before the AMA took effect. 

The Secretary explains that the AMA applies only to claims in which VA issues a decision on or 

after February 19, 2019, but here the initial decision was issued in February 2017 and so, he 

reasons, the legacy fee statute applies even though the December 2019 decision granting the CUE 

motion was governed by the AMA.59 And, the Secretary continues, under the legacy version of 

section 5904(a)(1), fees were only permitted for work performed after a claimant filed an NOD.60

To reiterate, the Secretary contends that the relevant statute for determining fees for appellant's 

representation of the veteran in connection with a CUE motion was not the one in force in 

57 See OA at 42:40-46:30. 

58 R. at 6 (Board discusses veteran's unsuccessful attempts to have VA correct its error). 

59 Secretary's Br. at 6. 

60 Id. at 7 (citing 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1) (2018)). 
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December 2019 when VA granted the motion but rather the one that had been in place in February 

2017. We find the Secretary's argument unpersuasive. 

We begin with the legacy/AMA divide because that is a critical part of the Secretary's 

argument. Congress provided that the AMA "shall apply to all claims for which notice of a decision 

under section 5104 of title 38, United States Code, is provided by the Secretary of Veterans 

Affairs," on or after February 19, 2019.61 In particular, the AMA applies to all "claims, requests 

for reopening of finally adjudicated claims, and requests for revision based on [CUE] for which 

VA issued notice of an initial decision on or after [February 19, 2019]."62 There is no question 

then that the AMA (including the version of section 5904(c)(1) without reference to an NOD) 

applied at the time of the December 2019 rating decision granting the veteran's CUE motion.63 

We pause for a moment to make an important point about terminology. The phrase "initial 

decision" contained in § 19.2 refers to something different from the phrase "initial decision . . . 

with respect to the case" contained in section 5904(c)(1). An "initial decision" under § 19.2 refers 

to the decision that triggers the application of the AMA, whereas the "initial decision . . . with 

respect to the case" under section 5904(c)(1) refers to the decision that triggers an agent's (or 

attorney's) ability to charge fees for representation of a claimant. No one contests—indeed, it is 

difficult to see how one could contest—that the December 2019 decision is an "initial decision" 

under § 19.2; it is the decision in which the RO found CUE in its February 2017 rating decision. 

To state the obvious, the December 2019 decision was issued after the effective date of the AMA 

and the Board itself concedes as much.64 Therefore, the AMA governs the matter that is before us 

today because the "initial decision" for that purpose is the December 2019 decision granting the 

veteran's CUE motion.65 But that point should not obscure that the real work in terms of the 

appropriateness of the fees at issue is done by the phrase "initial decision . . . with respect to the 

case" in section 5904 that we have spent so much time discussing. 

61 Pub. L. No. 115-55 sec. 2(x). 

62 38 C.F.R § 19.2(a)-(b) (2023); 38 C.F.R. § 3.2400(a)(1) (2022); see also Mattox v. McDonough, 34 Vet.App. 61, 

69 (2021), aff'd, 56 F.4th 1369 (Fed. Cir. 2023). 

63 See Mattox, 34 Vet.App. at 69. 

64 R. at 8. 

65 Mattox, 34 Vet.App. at 69. 
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In his briefing, the Secretary contends that the AMA version of section 5904(c)(1) that was 

unquestionably in force at the time of the December 2019 decision granting the veteran's CUE 

motion is not applicable by relying on Perciavalle v. McDonough.

66 However, his reliance on 

Perciavalle is misplaced. In that case, there was no issue about whether the AMA should apply—

the matter before the Court was strictly a legacy case.67 The Secretary cites to a footnote that he 

asserts supports his position.68 The problem is that the footnote he references simply indicates that 

the AMA had been signed into law in 2017, but at the time of the March 2018 Board decision on 

appeal in that case, the AMA had not yet gone into effect so it was not applicable to the case.69 It 

was merely an informative footnote—not some sort of broad holding as the Secretary suggests. 

During oral argument, the Secretary also asserted that the Court's decision in Mattox v. 

McDonough supported his position.70 Once again, we disagree with the Secretary. In Mattox, the 

veteran was denied service connection in a pre-AMA decision and he filed a timely pre-AMA NOD 

with that pre-AMA decision.71 Thereafter, VA issued a pre-AMA Statement of the Case, and 

appellant perfected his appeal to the Board by filing a pre-AMA Substantive Appeal.72 All of these 

events occurred before the effective date of the AMA and appellant in Mattox did not opt into the 

AMA at any point. The only thing in Mattox that took place after the effective date of the AMA 

was that the Board issued a decision on the veteran's legacy claim that had proceeded in the legacy

system.73 Given all this, it is not the least bit surprising that the Court found it to be obvious that 

"the initial decision that led to appellant's administrative appeal" was the pre-AMA rating decision 

that denied service connection for an acquired psychiatric disorder.74 We face an entirely different 

situation. Most importantly, the December 2019 rating decision that granted the veteran's CUE 

66 See Secretary's Br. at 12 (citing Perciavalle v. McDonough, 32 Vet.App.117, 120 n.4 (2019), aff'd, 847 F. App'x 

914 (Fed. Cir. 2021)). 

67 Perciavalle, 32 Vet.App. at 118-20. 

68 See Secretary's Br. at 12. 

69 Id. at 120 n.4. 

70 OA at 52:00-:51 (referencing Mattox, 34 Vet.App. at 69). 

71 Mattox, 34 Vet.App. at 64. 

72 Id. 

73 Id. at 64-65. 

74Id.
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motion was issued under the auspices of the AMA. And the statute providing for the award of fees 

for AMA decisions is the version of section 5904(c)(1) that does not refer to an NOD. It is true 

that the "initial decision . . . with respect to the case" was a pre-AMA February 2017 rating 

decision, but that fact does not matter under the language Congress used in the version of section 

5904(c)(1) in effect when the CUE motion was granted. And, as we've mentioned several times, 

the parties agree that the "initial decision . . . with respect to the case" was the February 2017 rating 

decision for which VA provided section 5104 notice.75 To reiterate, that is all the statute requires 

to make a fee allowable. 

The bottom line is clear. There simply is nothing to support the Secretary's assertion that 

we are at liberty to apply the pre-AMA version of section 5904(c)(1) to the award of past-due 

benefits in the December 2019 AMA decision. 

E. A final matter: We will remand for the Board to 

consider the potential import of the veteran's fee agreement with appellant. 

 During oral argument, the Secretary argued for the first time that appellant may not be 

entitled to a fee in this case based on the terms of the fee agreement itself. Specifically, the 

Secretary contended that the fee agreement included language making the receipt of fees 

contingent on an NOD being filed on or after June 19, 2007.76 In other words, the Secretary posited 

that, regardless of whether the pre-AMA version of section 5904(c)(1) applied in this case as a 

matter of law, as a matter of contract the same outcome would result. The Secretary also stated 

that if the Court agreed with appellant on the law in this matter, remand was appropriate for the 

Board to consider the matter. Appellant urged the Court to refrain from considering the Secretary's 

late-raised argument and insisted that any questions concerning the content of the fee agreement 

involve factual determinations that should be decided by the Board in the first instance.77 

The first issue we must resolve concerning the Secretary's contract-based argument is 

whether it has some impact on our jurisdiction to address the validity of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). We 

have adopted the case and controversy requirements of Article III of the Constitution.78 So, we 

75 OA at 16:00-:26, 30:05-:35, 50:48-:58. 

76 OA at 1:01:46-:02:46 (referencing R. at 2854 (Mar. 2018 fee agreement)). 

77 OA at 1:03:20-:07:34 (referencing Tadlock v. McDonough, 5 F.4th 1327, 1333-34 (Fed. Cir. 2021)). 

78 See Kernz v. McDonough, __ Vet. App. __, __, No. 20-2365, 2023 U.S. App. Vet. Claims LEXIS 1575, at *18 (Oct. 

4, 2023) (en banc); Mokal v. Derwinski, 1 Vet.App. 12, 15 (1990). 
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need to ensure that we would not be rendering an advisory opinion about § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) given 

the contract-based argument.79 

We conclude that the contract-based argument does not undermine our jurisdiction to 

address the validity of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). Our job is to review final Board decisions.80 Not only 

did the Board effectively limit its consideration of appellant's fee request to § 14.636(c)(2)(ii), it 

had no choice to do otherwise. VA regulations provide that the Board is "bound by . . . regulations 

of the Department of Veterans Affairs."81 So, the Board has never had a meaningful opportunity 

to consider the contract-based argument because, as a practical matter, it couldn't venture beyond 

the terms of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). Under these circumstances, addressing the validity of 

§ 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is not advisory because either that regulation is unlawful (as we hold) and VA 

can move forward to address the contract-based argument or it is lawful and there is no need to 

delve into those largely unchartered waters. 

But the mere fact that the contract-based argument does not deprive us of jurisdiction to 

address the validity of § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) says nothing about whether we should address the 

contract-based argument in this appeal. We decline to do so. First, this Court discourages, and 

generally will not consider, arguments raised by counsel at oral argument for the first time.82

Second, as we've noted, until now the Board was bound by § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). So, the Board made 

no findings concerning whether fees would be precluded based on the content of the fee agreement 

itself.83 Third, and relatedly, questions about the extent to which VA wishes to police contracts 

through its direct fee authority are ones the Agency should consider in the first instance. And 

finally, we believe it is best to allow the Board to consider how, if it all, its determination that the 

fee agreement at issue in this case is "valid" affects the Secretary's contract-based argument.84

Because the Board relied on an invalid regulation to review the eligibility of appellant to 

collect fees and made no factual or legal determinations in the first instance about whether 

79 See Norvell v. Peake, 22 Vet.App. 194, 201 (2008); Waterhouse v. Principi, 3 Vet.App. 473, 474 (1992). 

80 See 38 U.S.C. §§ 7252(a), 7266(a).

81 38 C.F.R. § 20.105. 

82 Ray v. Wilkie, 31 Vet.App. 58, 69 (2019); Overton v. Wilkie, 30 Vet.App. 257, 265 (2018). 

83 See Viterna v. McDonough, 65 F.4th 1378,1382 (Fed. Cir. 2023) (the Board is authorized to review the terms of a 

fee agreement). 

84 See R. at 8. 
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appellant is entitled to fees under the contract itself, or even if the fees requested are reasonable,85

the prudent course of action is for the Court to remand this matter for the Board to consider these 

issues in the first instance should it consider that to be necessary.86 

III. CONCLUSION 

 In sum, 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(c)(2)(ii) is invalid because it contravenes the plain and ordinary 

meaning of 38 U.S.C. § 5904(c)(1), which permits paid representation once a claimant receives 

notice of the AOJ's "initial decision . . . with respect to the case." Because the Board relied on the 

invalid regulation in reaching its August 2021 decision, we REVERSE its decision that appellant 

is not entitled to a fee under the terms of the regulation that purports to implement section 

5904(c)(1). We REMAND this matter for the Board to address appellant's fee request anew, 

including under the terms of the fee agreement itself as appropriate, without regard to the nowinvalidated § 14.636(c)(2)(ii). 

85 We note that VA's Office of the General Counsel has exclusive jurisdiction to review a fee agreement's 

reasonableness in the first instance. 38 U.S.C. § 5904; 38 C.F.R. § 14.636(i) (2023). 

86 Tadlock, 5 F.4th at 1337-38.