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Attorney Konstantine Kyros Educates you, his Filing on WWE Lawsuits 

Friday, March 27, 2015 episode 36. I'm your host Diafullah Dobashi. I 

am glad to be back I took some time off, I had a double inner ear infection 

but I'm here now. I have a great guest on this podcast attorney 

Konstantine Kyros. He has multiple lawsuits he's filing against he's filing 

the WWE and he wanted to come on this podcast to educate you listeners 

on why he doing this. If there's any of you brothers and sisters out there 

who thinks they have royalties owed to them or they want to be on this 

WWE class action lawsuit or just for a consultation, you can email me at 

RadioTakedown@gmail.com. Just email your information at 

RadioTakedown@gmail.com and I will pass it on to Mr. Kyros. Okay I 

will stop flapping my gums. I will be right back after the commercial 

break with the interview with Konstantine Kyros, but first the outcomes 

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We are back, I'm your host Diafullah Dobashi of Dobashi's 

RadioTakedown and let me introduce my very special guest Konstantine 

Kyros. He is an experienced lawyer with almost 20 years in the legal 

practice based in Boston Massachusetts who handles cases nationwide. 

He has been involved in many high profile lawsuits, including cases 

involving NFL football players, people injured and killed by large drug 

companies and long history of dealing with workers injured by asbestos, 

chemicals and dangerous working conditions. He is now representing 

former WWE, WWF wrestlers and he is here today to discuss and educate 

our listeners. New - each and everyone of you about the lawsuits being 

brought against the WWE. Welcome to the show Mr. Kyros. 

Well thank you Dobashi for having me on the show and I'd be happy to 

answer some questions you and your listeners have about the pending 

litigation against the WWE. I just want to say I have to be a little careful 

to keep my answers from impacting my existing clients in their individual 

cases but I will be as forthright as I can subject to that limit. So I'm happy 

to answer questions and so forth but I think wrestlers in the community 

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need to understand the claims in the nature of the cases so they can make 

an educated decision, you know about whether to support these cases and 

the goal of these lawsuits. 

Awesome, well great. Okay well lets get ready and educate the people out 

there. Well Mr. Kyros, tell me a little bit about the basis of bringing these 

lawsuits against the WWE and what do you hope to achieve? 

Well Dobashi, first of all I'd like to point out that the cases could not be 

brought unless wrestlers themselves feel that the WWE has done them 

harm, either through negligence or bad conduct. So when I bring claim 

it's on behalf of a wrestler who feels that they've been treated unjustly by 

the WWE. One way to sort of characterize and understand the basis of the 

lawsuits is to say that the lawsuits are a type of occupational injury that 

wrestlers have received while they were performing and making the 

WWE money. These are not ordinary, sort of occupational illnesses or 

injuries, but these are in fact lifelong debilitating brain damage that was 

inflicted on them while they were performing. And unfortunately, I 

believe thousands of wrestlers are going to have long-term affects of head 

trauma from their work at the WWE. And this brain damage, you know 

according to my theory and the theories of this case are a result of the 

overwork, the poor health and safety measures that were taken, poor 

training, poor ringside treatment and a general failure by the WWE to 

adequately protect and warn about the dangers posed by head injuries. 

These are of course allegations that we're hoping to prove to the courts 

but the real insidious thing about the brain injuries is that these are a type 

of - these are unseen injuries and unless a wrestler actually looses 

consciousness while they're preforming, they're sort of subjecting 

themselves to long-term cumulative affects of head trauma day in and day 

out and the ultimate cause is can be irreparable damage to the brain. 

Okay well - well so are you saying that the WWE should have done more 

to protect against all the head injuries with athletes? 

That's correct, Dobashi, and that's an important part of the case. The 

lawsuits alleged that the WWE knew or should have known about the 

dangers of head injuries and failed to protect, you know, the wrestlers 

from these types of injuries. I mean, you know, wrestling of the type, you 

know, that we see in WWE and pro-wrestling contains action that can 

cause long-term head injuries. So the WWE, according to our theory, had 

a duty to stage the bashes and the performances in a safe way, but it also 

had a duty to warn wrestlers about the head mJunes they were 

experiencing and that could result in long-term disability. And these are 

not open and obvious injuries for the most part, in the sense that they are 

occupational injuries. You might analogize them or compare them to a 

worker who for many years in his career breathed in dangerous chemicals 

or is exposed to asbestos fibers, and then diagnosed with cancer or some 

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serious lung ailments many years after the event. 

Okay, so why are the head injuries such a big part of this lawsuit? Can 

you tell me that? 

Yeah, well I mean head injuries obviously are extremely serious, and they 

can be crippling, disabling, silent killers that unfortunately have forced 

many wrestlers into early retirement prematurely and their careers and 

their lives, and you know, at the less extreme end, you see symptoms 

where people are left without their memories or without the ability to 

perform basic life tasks. A lot of the people will end up ... you know, and 

they express that they have these blinding headaches or other 

neurological-type symptoms, you know, in this continuum, memory loss 

and just inability to remember stuff and perform. On the more extreme 

end, there's a whole host of neurological issues that are related to longterm head injuries, which include varying degrees of depression, some 

severe depression. You see dementia. Unfortunately you see some people 

with suicide, and unfortunately you get people with, you know, total 

disability on the extreme end of things when they age and more serious 

neurological diseases set in. So that's why head injuries are a big part of 

the lawsuit, because of the seriousness, and they are sort of unseen, and 

they're ongoing. 

Okay, well, you know, I mean do you really think that many wrestlers 

such as myself, you know, do you think we're all at risk for this? 

I mean, you know, I'll tell you, unfortunately, I do. I mean I think that 

there is an epidemic in the community. I think there's a health crisis in 

retired wrestlers, who many of the guys suffer in isolation, or in fact 

they're ignorant of the causes of some of these health issues, and I think 

it's a major issue for the community, and you know I've been 

investigating and talking to the guys, and actually female wrestlers also, 

but the issue is, you know, very serious, and think there's a huge risk 

factor out there, and I think the exposure has resulted in these injuries. So 

I think it's, you know, a major problem. 

Well you know ... so are you saying that the WWE is responsible? 

Yes. According to, you know, our theory of the case, the WWE is 

responsible. The WWE created the matches, and it directed the 

performance of the moves which result in these ongoing head injuries. 

You know wrestlers aren't doctors, and they rely upon the WWE to 

conduct safe matches, and to the extent that the WWE is paying people to 

perform dangerous activities, it has a duty to warn them of the dangers of 

that activity, including the head trauma they were experiencing might or 

would likely result in long-term disability and impairment. So in that 

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sense, the argument is that the WWE is responsible. 

Okay, well how about all of the other organizations? Why only the 

WWE? You know, a lot of folks may take ... you know, a lot of 

folks ... excuse me, I'm like fumbling my words here, but let me re-ask 

that question again. What about the other organizations? Why only the 

WWE? You know, a lot of people are asking, you know ... 

Yeah, well that's .. .look, Dobashi, that's a good question, right. And I'll 

answer it a couple of ways. First of all, the WWE is the biggest pro 

wrestling organization. 

Correct. 

And so you know we~re alleging they were negligent. If other 

organizations were also negligent, you know, it doesn't absolve the WWE 

of its liability or its duties. You know I had mentioned that there's other 

sorts of occupational lawsuits and these types of things, and the asbestos 

litigation ... you know, it's not a completely perfect analogy, but if a 

worker was exposed to asbestos in various places, ultimately when these 

cases were decided through settlement or through the courts, it was sort of 

to determine that, look, everybody who created the negligent condition 

and exposed these workers should have to pay. So if ultimately this case 

goes to the courts and the courts side with us and there's some sort of 

settlement, the WWE agree ... excuse me, the WWE would, you know .. .it 

wouldn't be able to, you know, get out of this case by simply pointing to 

other bad people, and you know, wouldn't remove responsibility from 

them for their alleged misconduct. So WWE can't really just defend the 

case and say other organizations also were wrong, and we're completely 

off the hook. It just wouldn't make sense. So ... and the reality is that 

WWE is the company where most of the negligence alleged has taken 

place. 

Okay, so let me ask you this: what is the goal of all these cases? Like 

how do you respond ... okay ... how do you respond about a lot of people 

saying that you're just out there to make money? For an example, I got an 

email from Sammy Ridgeway from El Paso, Texas, and he asked, "All 

these former wrestlers and widows trying to get paid for what? How can 

you guys live with yourselves?" I mean, how do you answer that? 

Yeah, alright. Well thank you, Dobashi. I mean ... and Sammy. Look, 

this ... any time, you know, somebody, somebody, brings a lawsuit, you 

know, one of the main sort of criticisms as plaintiff [inaudible] is that 

people are looking ... people who bring in these are looking to make 

money. 

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Mmmhmmm. 

And I'll tell you, the strange thing is, and I've talked to thousands of 

clients, okay, or potential clients, in almost 20 years of representing 

people, and I can tell you money is not usually the main reason that people 

file a lawsuit. I know that many of your listeners may not buy it, okay, 

but most people sue because they are pissed off or angry, or they feel 

wronged, or they want to prove a point, or they have a sense of getting 

their day in court, and I think if your listeners and you stop and think 

about many of the disputes that you've had in your own personal life. 

You know, whether it was an unfair charge to your bank statement that 

really energized you, maybe a difficult relationship or a divorce, a dispute 

with a neighbor or a dispute with your employer ... money is not as prime 

of a factor in deciding whether you want to sue. In my job, actually, as a 

lawyer is to sort of take these motivations and look at them as they relate 

to the legal system and the courts, and see if there is in fact a way to 

pursue a claim, and unfortunately many times there isn't. I've told 

thousands of people over the years that they can't bring a lawsuit. They 

just want to file one regardless of the prospect of seeing any money. 

So what about the money? 

Well, in this .. .in our civil justice system, and this is the civil justice 

system that we have. I'm not talking about the criminal courts, I'm 

talking about the civil justice system. 

Mmmhmmm. 

Money is the measure of the harm or the wrong inflicted on somebody, so 

you know, it's not a perfect system, but I think it works pretty good. 

When a jury hears that a company has done harm to people by making a 

drug that kills them, or injures them, or kills off their loved one, the way 

we handle this is we award the people compensatory damages, which is 

money. And this theory of compensatory damages, it says that the person 

should be put in the same place that they would have been but for the 

negligent conduct, and what amount of money can replace somebody? It 

could be millions of dollars, and so when a jury makes that determination, 

they sort of are putting themselves in the shoes of the person who has 

been harmed, and they try to send a message with that money. So it's a 

more complicated equation than simply saying that people are going out 

there to make money. And certainly the insurance industry ... there's these 

other people that have criticized our civil justice system, but m 

everybody's lives, when you've been wronged or you felt that you've 

been a victim and you want to pursue justice, one way to do that and send 

a message is to sue for money. And you know that's the civil justice 

system we have. In terms of .. .I'm going to add to all your listeners that 

suing the WWE is not an easy way to make money, and this is a long and 

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hard fight, and you know, if as a lawyer I was simply out to make money, 

there are plenty of other cases that I could bring, cases that have already 

been fought and won many times over or, you know, types, that many 

lawyers make a good living on, and I've handled and other lawyers and 

friends of mine handled. But you know if you think about an auto 

accident or going after insurance companies ... so you know suing the 

WWE is not going to be an easy task simply to make money, and anyone 

that thinks that any of these wrestlers who are bringing these types of 

cases is simply out to make a quick buck is just wrong. 

Yeah, I hear you. You know, and I can actually tell you from my heart, 

you know, talking with you, you know, and not. .. you know, just from this 

conversation, I actually, you know .. .like you said, there's a lot of lawyers 

and a lot of people trying to get, you know, get rich ... you can make a 

quick buck here and there out of nothing, and I can honestly say just 

talking with you, I can honestly see you actually care about the wrestlers, 

and I see what you're saying about money. Like WWE, I've noticed 

people try to go out on ... you know, go after them in the past, but they just 

have a lot of money and a lot of people just can't afford it, and I really 

say .. .I just want to say thanks for what you're doing for all the boys and 

girls out there, and you know hopefully there will be justice that comes 

out of all this. And that being said, you know, I do have some emails if 

you wouldn't mind answering, if I could ... 

Yeah, yeah. Thanks Dobashi, for that. And you know we are taking these 

cases. That's how they come about. They're on a contingency fee, but 

I'm a certain believer in the justice of my cause, and I'm trying to help 

former wrestlers, and you know get them some compensation and see 

what we can do to help. I'm happy to answer any other questions that you 

have, if you have some from your listeners. 

Okay, well we do have some emails. We've got .. .let's see here. I printed 

them out. Let me see here. Okay, Paul Vitch, and that's with a V. Paul 

Vitch from Hamburg, Germany asked, "Do you think the WWE are taking 

you serious, because they seem to always get out of hot water. It seems 

like no one can touch them. Mr. Kyros, what is your goal with all that 

you're doing?" 

Okay. Alright, well I will answer Paul from ... Hamburg, Germany, you 

said? Is that right? 

Yeah. 

He ... alright, well look. I think the WWE is taking this seriously. It's 

very early in the life cycle of the lawsuits, you know, and to give you a 

little ... you know, this is not anything, you know, confidential or anything. 

The WWE's goal is to ask the courts to dismiss these cases. Although the 

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WWE sort of publically stated that these cases are frivolous, they will 

have to frame their arguments around the lines of what the law is, and they 

will argue variously that too much time has passed, that the class of head 

injuries we believe thousands of wrestlers have isn't real or provable. 

They sort of downplayed those things in the media, and they'll ask the 

court to end the lawsuits on those, but on some of those grounds. My goal 

is obviously to convince the courts and the juries and you know the public 

that our clients have serious health problems that's been caused by the 

WWE's negligence, and I want to ask the courts and the jury to fashion 

remedies that would include setting up a plan to provide for compensation 

and long-term neurological health care for all former wrestlers. So that's, 

you know, I hope that sort of answers his questions. 

Okay. 

Yeah, okay. 

Okay. Well, that's great. Well let's keep on rolling here, and Ruby from 

Portland, Oregon asked .. .let's see. "I know there isn't any wrestling 

unions or medical for the athletes. That being said, Mr. Kyros, do you 

really think the wrestlers really have this owed to them, and if so why? 

And thank you for putting up the fight." 

Okay, alright so I guess she's asking if they don't have a union, then 

what's owed. 

Medical. 

Well, I mean ... you know .. .look, I think that the WWE owes them 

something, and my clients certainly feel that the WWE owes them, but 

that's obvious! y not enough. I need to, at this point, prove to a jury in the 

courts that the WWE owes legal duty to them, and this is going to come 

down to its conduct in the head injury context, a lot of which I sort of 

outlined earlier. But to her point, you know, many workers and most 

athletes in the United States have some sort of long-term health plan 

provided by their employee, and you know unfortunately not most 

wrestlers, right? Because they signed up to these independent deals, and 

you know, their health needs ironically are probably more urgent than 

most other sort of athletes and so forth, and I think it's just a very bad 

situation. And the alternative is to push these wrestlers aside and let the 

public health care system take care of them, and quite frankly that's not a 

good option. The public health care system is probably poorly-equipped 

enough, and it's poorly-equipped to deal with long-term neurological care, 

especially the type these folks need. 

Okay, awesome. Okay, here is another one. Frank Manky from Seattle, 

Washington asked, "There have been many lawsuits in the past against 

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Vince McMahon and the WWE. What makes this any different than any 

others, and what makes you think you could win? 

Well, Frank from Seattle, well look, I've actually looked at some of the 

past lawsuits filed against the WWE on various grounds. Most of those 

lawsuits have ended before what we call discovery, where there's a lot of 

documents and evidence that are brought into those cases. And most of 

the cases are also settled before any meaningful rulings on the merits of 

the cases. You know, and obviously the WWE is very aggressive in 

defending itself, so unless you're prepared, you're going to have a hard 

time making a viable case. I can win a case against the WWE if people 

come forward with their stories and their circumstances and their injuries 

and you know .. .if every wrestler who believe that they'd been harmed by 

the WWE right now decided to file a lawsuit against the WWE, this would 

surely decide, I think, an outcome. In the NFL cases, for example, there 

were eventually thousands, I think, that. .. we had 3,000 or something like 

that in the case. I didn't represent all of them, obviously, but you know all 

of these lawyers all over the country, you know, were able to pursue cases 

on behalf of their former football players, and these cases were filed, and 

this really kind of put the health issue and their issue in context and put it 

into the courts, put it into the public mind, and put it into a place where 

everybody could see that there was a real crisis. And I think this case, and 

I mean this case meaning the concussion case, is the case that really 

illustrates what we're talking about. This case will be won by the 

wrestling community if it chooses to act. I mean this is sort of the historic 

moment where it can do that. The current state ofthe law, the culture, the 

public perception to health, the head injury crisis, I think has been 

ridiculed by the WWE as being ... as concussions being en vogue, but 

really there's an awareness of the head injury issue in the long-term health 

effects that have now been seen, and everybody's very much aware of, 

and this has created very favorable conditions for a lawsuit like this to 

succeed. And I think obviously there's a huge amount of work to be done, 

but in the end, you know, I want my clients' stories told, and the public to 

see that they've been wronged, and in bringing these cases, I think we will 

wm. 

Awesome. Well you know, all you listeners out there around the world, 

universe, Mars, Jupiter, and the galaxy, hopefully we educated you on 

what's going on, and you know I think you're a very good teacher, Mr. 

Kyros. Is there anything else that you want to say and get out to each and 

every one of our listeners out there, since we're on the air right now? 

No, I just want...you know, look. I want to thank you, Dobashi. You've 

given me the opportunity to reach out. 

My pleasure. 

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Kyros To the community, thank you. You know, and anything that I can do to 

keep you and your listeners updated on developments, answer any 

questions about the cases, give you updates ... you know, I'm happy to 

come on, and you know thank you again for giving me the opportunity to 

speak directly to some of the people that, you know, may have some 

interest in this case. 

Dobashi Awesome. Well as a matter of fact, we'll make this one the flagship 

as ... how would I say ... the official podcast of you letting the fans know 

and the people out there what's going on as the case goes. 

Kyros Alright, great Dobashi. I appreciate it, and thank you again. 

Dobashi Awesome. Thank you, and thank you, and have a good weekend, and 

we'll be talking soon. 

Kyros Alright. 

Dobashi And you're welcome here anytime. Mi casa, su casa. 

Kyros Very good. Thanks. 

Dobashi Alright, thank you. 

Kyros Over and out. Thank you. 

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