2023 IL App (4th) 210160-U 

NOS. 4-21-0160, 4-21-0161, 4-21-0364 cons. 

IN THE APPELLATE COURT

OF ILLINOIS

FOURTH DISTRICT 

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS,

 Plaintiff-Appellee, 

 v. 

JONATHAN A. CHAMBERS, 

 Defendant-Appellant. 

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Appeal from the

Circuit Court of

Livingston County 

Nos. 16CF298, 

 16CF299, 

 17CF107 

Honorable 

Jennifer H. Bauknecht, 

Judge Presiding.

 JUSTICE KNECHT delivered the judgment of the court.

 Justices Turner and Cavanagh concurred in the judgment.

ORDER

¶ 1 Held: (1) Defendant has not established he was denied the effective assistance of

 counsel when counsel failed to object to the admission of allegedly overly 

 prejudicial statements during police interviews when the record establishes no

 reasonable probability the outcome of the trial would have been different had

 counsel made the objection.

 

 (2) The Krankel inquiries into defendant’s pro se posttrial claims of ineffective

 assistance of counsel were adequate.

 (3) Defendant failed to establish plain error in the admission of an alleged

 statement as hearsay.

¶ 2 In this consolidated appeal of three separate direct appeals, defendant, Jonathan 

Chambers, seeks the reversal of three separate convictions. Two of the convictions are for 

unlawful delivery of a controlled substance (720 ILCS 570/401(d)(i) (West 2016)). The third 

conviction is for attempted harassment of a witness (720 ILCS 5/8-4(a), 32-4a(a)(2) (West 

FILED

May 9, 2023

Carla Bender

4th District Appellate

Court, IL

NOTICE

This Order was filed under 

Supreme Court Rule 23 and is 

not precedent except in the 

limited circumstances allowed 

under Rule 23(e)(1). 
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2016)). Defendant was sentenced to concurrent five-year terms of imprisonment for the 

unlawful-delivery offenses and sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment for attempted

harassment, to be served consecutively to the concurrent five-year terms. Among the arguments 

raised in his appeals are claims he was denied the right to the effective assistance of counsel at 

trial; the preliminary inquiries pursuant to People v. Krankel, 102 Ill. 2d 181, 464 N.E.2d 1045 

(1984), were inadequate; and hearsay was improperly admitted. We affirm. 

¶ 3 I. BACKGROUND

¶ 4 A. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 16-CF-298 

¶ 5 In case No. 16-CF-298, defendant was charged with the September 2016 unlawful 

delivery of a controlled substance, less than one gram of heroin, to a confidential source and tried 

before a jury in August 2017. 

¶ 6 At trial, in addition to witness testimony, the jury heard two video recordings of 

police interrogations of defendant. The confidential source, Amy Spaniol, was the first to testify.

¶ 7 According to Spaniol, she agreed to purchase drugs for the police. On September 

13, 2016, Spaniol learned she could buy heroin from Angela Huffman. She contacted Inspector 

Zachary Benning to inform him of this opportunity. Spaniol then met with Inspector Benning. 

She and her vehicle were searched. Inspector Benning gave Spaniol $40 to purchase the heroin. 

Spaniol left in her vehicle to pick up Huffman at Huffman’s home. The two drove to Sherman 

Avenue in Pontiac. There, defendant, whom she had not seen before this day, approached the

vehicle on a bicycle. He leaned into the passenger window. Huffman handed defendant the 

money. Defendant handed Huffman the heroin. Huffman then gave the heroin to Spaniol. The 

interaction with defendant lasted “probably” 10 to 15 seconds. Spaniol returned Huffman to her 

house. Spaniol drove to the police station to meet with Inspector Benning and to give him the 
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heroin. 

¶ 8 According to Spaniol, she had not purchased drugs for the police before that day. 

Spaniol agreed to participate in the controlled buy because she “needed to do something to make 

up for what [she] did.” Spaniol testified she had a case pending where she pleaded guilty to 

possession of heroin and was awaiting sentencing. When Spaniol was asked if she hoped the 

sentencing court would take into account her work as a confidential source, Spaniol stated, 

“There’s no guarantee of that.” 

¶ 9 Inspector Benning testified he worked as a narcotics officer with the Livingston 

County Sheriff’s Office. After Spaniol contacted him regarding an opportunity to purchase 

heroin, he met with her. A female correctional officer searched Spaniol. Inspector Benning and 

Officer Brian Maier searched Spaniol’s vehicle. No contraband or anything larger than “loose 

change” were found. Officers, including Inspector Benning, followed and observed Spaniol

during the controlled buy. The location of the transaction was moved twice while Spaniol was 

being surveilled. Inspector Benning learned of the changes in location through text messages he 

was receiving from Spaniol as she was driving. Inspector Benning observed defendant ride the 

bicycle away from Spaniol’s car. At the sheriff’s department, Spaniol handed two bags of heroin 

to Inspector Benning. 

¶ 10 Inspector Benning interviewed defendant about this transaction in December 

2016. The interview did not occur earlier due to a pending investigation. A video of this 

interview was played for the jury. According to the video, which is a little over three minutes 

long, Inspector Benning asked defendant how long he had been selling heroin in Pontiac. 

Defendant responded he mostly got it for himself. From time to time, defendant had given heroin 

to someone for free. Defendant admitted he had charged someone before. When he did, he 
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charged $10 for a bag. Defendant could not remember the last time he had provided heroin to 

someone. Inspector Benning informed defendant they watched him deliver to a confidential 

source while on a bike. Defendant asked, “On a bike?” Defendant shook his head and said, “I 

don’t know.” Inspector Benning informed defendant that transaction from a bicycle occurred in 

September. Defendant said he could not “picture that date.” Defendant denied selling heroin to 

Angela Huffman. He said he hung out with her “a lot” and Huffman got heroin from everyone. 

Defendant said Huffman was never a passenger in a car when he was on a bike. Defendant had 

not seen Huffman sitting on the passenger side of a car “ever.” Huffman always rode in the 

backseat. Inspector Benning told defendant he saw him throw a bag of heroin at her.

¶ 11 Inspector Benning testified, after the interview, as he was walking with defendant 

from the sheriff’s department to the jail, defendant said he wanted to work for the police and help 

himself. Inspector Benning declined, saying he did not trust defendant as defendant was not 

being honest with him. Defendant then “admitted that he probably did it[,] but he [didn’t] 

remember exactly doing it.” 

¶ 12 On cross-examination, Inspector Benning testified sometimes it was normal 

operating procedure to have “an audio overhear” or microphone on the confidential source. That 

was not done in this case. Inspector Benning also stated the transaction was not videotaped as the 

vehicles were moving and he believed it was unsafe to drive and record with his cell phone. 

Huffman was the original target of the controlled buy. Inspector Benning agreed Huffman was 

not searched. Inspector Benning did not observe the transaction. He only saw defendant as he 

was walking away. At that time, defendant “was approximately maybe a couple hundred feet” 

from him. Defendant was not stopped or interrogated that day. Marked money used to purchase 

the heroin was not recovered.
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¶ 13 Officer Maier, a police officer with the Dwight police department, testified he 

assisted Inspector Benning with the September 13, 2016, controlled buy. On that day, Officer 

Maier saw defendant on a bicycle. Defendant rode the bicycle to the passenger side of a vehicle. 

Within seconds of his arrival, defendant reached inside the passenger window with a closed fist. 

When defendant pulled his arm from inside the passenger side of the vehicle, he had a closed 

fist. The encounter lasted less than 30 seconds. Spaniol was the driver of the vehicle. Huffman 

sat on the passenger side. 

¶ 14 According to Officer Maier, he interviewed defendant in December 2016 at the 

sheriff’s department. Over defendant’s standing objection on the ground the interview revealed 

prior bad acts, the recording of that interview was played for the jury. 

¶ 15 At the beginning of the video, Officer Maier told defendant he knew defendant

had been selling heroin for quite some time and he was trying to determine why defendant chose 

to sell heroin. Officer Maier questioned whether the motive was for money. Defendant did not 

answer. Officer Maier asked defendant if he was working. Defendant said he was not. Officer 

Maier explained he bought drugs from dealers and from people who sold drugs to support their 

habit. Officer Maier told defendant he had bought drugs from defendant. Defendant repeatedly 

denied Officer Maier purchased drugs from him. Officer Maier insisted he did: “[L]isten, I’m 

telling you I bought drugs off of you. *** Listen, listen to me. I’m telling you, you are selling 

heroin to support your habit. That’s exactly what you are doing. *** You are selling heroin.” 

Officer Maier guaranteed defendant he bought heroin from him. Officer Maier stated he had seen 

defendant sell heroin from a bicycle. Officer Maier repeated he was simply trying to determine 

defendant’s motive for doing so. He said, “It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to be the El Chapo 

of Pontiac.” Officer Maier asked if he was selling to kids. Defendant replied, “F*** no.” Officer 
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Maier then asked if he was doing it to bring in some extra money as he was out of work. 

Defendant said, “People come down here and sell drugs and they ask me to help them.” 

Defendant said he would help them by talking to a person, but once inside, defendant would not 

touch anything. 

¶ 16 Officer Maier, according to the video, repeatedly told defendant he watched him 

deal drugs. He emphasized he watched defendant sell “from a bike [—] reach inside a car and do 

a hand[-]to[-]hand.” Shortly after being asked if he wanted to be “the big drug dealer of 

Livingston County” or if he was simply trying to support his children, defendant admitted, “I 

probably have sold a couple bags to somebody to support my habit,” but he denied having sold 

heroin while riding a bike. Officer Maier again asked defendant if he was selling heroin to 

provide for his children. Defendant told Officer Maier that Officer Maier could not help him. 

Wiping tears from his eyes, defendant stated he “did it to buy my kids Christmas gifts.” 

Defendant stated he attempted to stop “cold turkey” but he got “sweats at night.” 

¶ 17 On cross-examination, Officer Maier testified he was “[p]robably less than” 50 

feet from the transaction. He did not photograph the transaction for fear of jeopardizing 

Spaniol’s safety. Officer Maier agreed he did not observe an actual exchange of drugs for 

money. 

¶ 18 The State presented testimony establishing the contents of the bags contained 

heroin and Spaniol was searched before the controlled buy. Defendant was found guilty.

¶ 19 B. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 16-CF-299 

¶ 20 In case No. 16-CF-299, defendant was charged with the December 15, 2016, 

offense of unlawful delivery of a controlled substance, heroin (720 ILCS 570/401(d)(i) (West 

2016)). Because of a mistrial, two trials were held on the charge. Only the testimony from the 
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retrial is relevant to this appeal. 

¶ 21 At the June 2017 trial, the State called multiple witnesses. The first to testify was 

Jamie Ware, a confidential informant who worked with Officer Maier. On December 15, 2016, 

Ware testified she called defendant to see if she could get “three for 50,” meaning three bags for 

$50. After the call, Ware contacted Officer Maier. The two met at the liquor store in Dwight, 

Illinois, and then went to the sheriff’s department in Pontiac, Illinois. Ware was provided 

“audio,” which she put in her jacket pocket. Ware was searched and then provided cash from the 

police department to purchase the heroin. Officer Maier drove Ware to about four houses from 

where she was meeting defendant. At the meeting location, Ware went inside and followed 

defendant to the kitchen, where Ware and defendant exchanged the money for drugs. Ware left 

immediately after the exchange. She returned to Officer Maier and gave him the plastic bags. 

¶ 22 Ware acknowledged, between 2007 and 2011, she had some convictions for theft, 

obstructing, aggravated battery, and retail theft. In 2017, Ware was charged with retail theft, and 

that case remained pending. Ware testified she was not promised anything for her testimony 

other than “consideration.” 

¶ 23 Officer Maier testified on December 15, 2016, Ware contacted Officer Maier 

regarding the potential to purchase heroin from defendant. When Ware arrived at the police 

department, she was searched for contraband. Ware was provided “prerecorded police money” to 

use for the transaction. This is money the police photocopy. The money was placed in Ware’s 

pocket. Officer Maier and another officer drove Ware to the residence. They dropped off Ware 

directly in front of the residence. Ware exited the vehicle and walked to the front door. Ware was 

under surveillance from the time she entered the residence through the time she exited and 

returned to Officer Maier’s vehicle. Ware handed Officer Maier plastic bags that had a logo 
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“with a devil’s head.” Those baggies contained a white powdery substance. 

¶ 24 Officer Maier testified he interviewed defendant “some weeks” after December 

15, 2016, at the Livingston County Sheriff’s Office. A video and audio recording was made of 

that interview and was played for the jury. In the video, defendant admitted he got drugs from 

“Rico.” Defendant stated he was not the only one “doing hand-to-hand [buys].” He admitted 

being a user and having tried to go “cold turkey.” Officer Maier suggested defendant was selling 

heroin to get his children Christmas gifts. Defendant admitted having “probably sold it once or 

twice or something like that.” 

¶ 25 Two officers testified they searched Ware on December 15, 2016, and found no 

contraband on her. A forensic scientist testified the substance in one of the bags contained 

heroin. The other two bags were not tested, as “the total weight of the three wasn’t going to go 

over any weight statute.” 

¶ 26 Defendant was found guilty. 

¶ 27 C. Posttrial Proceedings in Case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299 

¶ 28 In January 2018, defendant filed multiple pro se motions alleging he was denied 

the effective assistance of counsel. In these motions, he stated the motions applied to his 

conviction for the September 2016 offense, as well as to his conviction for the December 2016 

offense. Reasoning defendant was represented by counsel, the trial court did not address the 

ineffectiveness claims but struck the pro se motions. 

¶ 29 A joint sentencing hearing was held on his unlawful-delivery convictions. The 

trial court sentenced defendant to concurrent terms of five years in prison. 

¶ 30 D. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 17-CF-107 

¶ 31 In April 2017, the State initially charged defendant with three offenses when he 
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indirectly contacted Jamie Ware with the intent to deter her from testifying against him at his 

trial for unlawful delivery of a controlled substance (case No. 16-CF-299): harassment of a 

witness (720 ILCS 5/32-4a(a)(2) (West 2016)), bribery (720 ILCS 5/33-1(a) (West 2016)), and 

communication with a witness (720 ILCS 5/32-4(b) (West 2016)). Later, these three charges 

were dismissed, but the charge of attempted harassment of a witness (720 ILCS 5/8-4(a), 

32-4a(a)(2) (West 2016)) was added. For the attempted harassment charge, the State alleged 

defendant, with the intent to commit the offense of harassment of a witness, performed “a 

substantial step toward the commission of that offense” by communicating with “Shad Hamilton 

to discuss his case with Jamie Ware.” Defendant was tried only on the attempt charge. 

¶ 32 Only two witnesses testified at defendant’s January 2018 jury trial, defendant’s 

friend Shad Hamilton and Officer Maier. The State also introduced into evidence four recordings 

of telephone conversations between Hamilton and defendant, who was incarcerated at the time of 

those conversations. 

¶ 33 Hamilton had known defendant for over two decades. The two spoke over the 

phone multiple times in January and February 2017 while defendant was incarcerated at the 

Livingston County jail. Hamilton agreed he had listened to the recordings of those conversations 

and the recordings accurately and fairly depicted them. 

¶ 34 The State then played the recordings for the jury. In the January 25, 2017, call, 

defendant asked Hamilton, “[A]m I good, bro? Like, like I gotta speak in code so you know. 

Like remember when we [were] in Mt. Sterling, what I did for you, right?” Hamilton said he did. 

Defendant repeated, “Am I good?” Hamilton asked defendant if he knew “who it was,” to which 

defendant replied, “[Y]eah, I already know. J.W.” Defendant asked a third time, “Am I good

though?” Hamilton replied, “Yeah, I think so. She’s going to treatment so she’s not gonna be 
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there. She probably won’t be there for the—for the trial, you know. She feels bad. You’re her 

friend, man.” Defendant replied he “loved [Ware] to death, bro, like that’s my sister.” Hamilton 

responded, “[Y]ou know she feels bad about the whole situ—. I’m not—I don’t f*** with her

right now; I’m not talking to her at all.” Defendant interrupted, “[B]ut I need you to though. I 

need you [to] though. *** Don’t just brush her away, like, make sure, like you know.” Hamilton 

did not think Ware would be at the trial as she did not want to testify “in the first place.” 

Hamilton also did not believe the State had a case against defendant if Ware did not show up for 

the trial; defendant agreed. Defendant said, “If I’m good, I’m good, you know what I’m saying. I 

won’t sweat it.” 

¶ 35 During the second phone call, defendant asked Hamilton if Hamilton had talked 

to Ware. Hamilton replied he had not but he had someone else in mind to talk to her. Hamilton 

said he knew Ware was attending church on Sunday and he would have someone “work on it.” 

Hamilton said he “honestly believe[d]” Ware would not testify as she said she would not. 

Defendant replied, “I hope that’s right because I’m going to take it all—I’m going to take it all 

the way if she’s not. I hope she don’t because you know I love her. I look at her like a sister, 

bro.” Defendant continued, stating he was not angry with Ware. Hamilton replied, “This is some 

f*** up s***, man. I know—I know exactly how you feel. I’ve been through the same s***.” 

Hamilton told defendant to call him later that week.

¶ 36 During the third call, which occurred five days later, defendant asked Hamilton if 

everything was “good.” Hamilton replied that it was: “Yeah, you’re good. Just keep in touch 

with me *** I’ll keep you updated.” 

¶ 37 The fourth call occurred three weeks later. In that call, Hamilton told defendant he 

had spoken “to that one person.” Hamilton told defendant to “take it all the way, you’re good.” 
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Defendant replied, “[T]hanks[,] bro.” 

¶ 38 Hamilton stated he and defendant were at “Mt. Sterling” together. Defendant was 

friends with someone Hamilton’s “charges were against.” Defendant told Hamilton he would 

talk to that person for Hamilton and that individual would not be present to testify at Hamilton’s 

trial. When defendant asked during the phone conversation if Hamilton remembered Mt. 

Sterling, that situation is what Hamilton thought of. 

¶ 39 Hamilton spoke to Ware about her testifying at defendant’s trial. Hamilton had 

previously been to rehab. He believed when a person is in rehab that person could not be forced 

to testify. Hamilton denied overtly threatening Ware. Even before defendant was charged, he 

tried to get Ware into treatment. Ware had been in some legal trouble, and Hamilton wanted to

help her and her baby. 

¶ 40 Officer Maier, a narcotics investigator with the Livingston County Proactive Unit, 

testified as part of this role, he worked with undercover sources. Ware was an undercover source 

and “a chief witness” in case No. 16-CF-299. During January and February 2017, defendant was 

incarcerated on the controlled-substance charges. Officer Maier listened to recordings of the 

telephone conversations between Hamilton and defendant. The following questions and answers 

occurred, during which an objection was made after the State used the word “help:”

“[THE STATE]. Did you speak with [Ware] about the 

recordings? 

A. Yes. 

Q. She had come to you regarding help for what was 

happening? 

A. Correct.
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[DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Objection. 

THE COURT: Hold on. What was the objection?

[DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Hearsay regarding help.

THE COURT: That’s not a hearsay statement. Overruled. 

The jury can consider.

[THE STATE]: Thank you, Judge.

Q. And without saying anything that she told you, you gave 

her help with the situation. Correct?

A. Correct.

Q. And investigated it, as far as getting the phone calls to 

my office?

A. Correct.”

¶ 41 The State, in rebuttal closing argument, referenced “help” from Officer Maier’s

testimony:

“And as far as harassment, Jamie Ware sought out the help 

of law enforcement after the conversation. As far as her emotional 

distress, she sought out the help and received from Officer Maier 

assistance in this. She’s not even in the area anymore.

So as far as evidence of what exactly transpired with Jamie 

Ware and this harassment that the defense says isn’t there, I think 

you have everything you need to find that it is. *** 

The situation clearly put her in a situation where she was 

uncomfortable. Situation where she knew I’m going to be getting, 
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there’s going to be stuff going on if I don’t avoid testifying in 

court.” 

¶ 42 The jury, during deliberations, posed the following question to the trial court: 

“Can you verify that the officer testified that Jamie Ware contacted Officer Maier after all of the 

phone recordings?” The jury was given the transcript of Officer Maier’s testimony. 

¶ 43 The jury found defendant guilty of attempted harassment. 

¶ 44 E. Posttrial Proceedings in Case No. 17-CF-107 

¶ 45 In case No. 17-CF-107, defendant was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment, to 

be served consecutively to the sentences received in case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299. 

¶ 46 In March 2018, while a posttrial motion filed by counsel was pending, defendant 

filed a pro se motion titled, “motion to appeal sentence and appeal cases, reconsider sentence,” in 

which he alleged errors in this case as well as in the unlawful-delivery cases (case Nos. 16-CF298 and 16-CF-299). Regarding case No. 17-CF-107, defendant alleged his trial counsel 

provided ineffective assistance in that he failed to object to the State’s request for an extendedterm sentence. He further alleged counsel failed to object to Officer Maier’s testimony that 

included “second[-]hand statements.” 

¶ 47 Upon finding defendant was represented by counsel, the trial court dismissed 

defendant’s pro se posttrial motion. The court denied counsel’s motion to reconsider the 

sentence. Defendant pursued a direct appeal.

¶ 48 F. Defendant’s Postconviction Claim, Case No. 17-CF-107 

¶ 49 While defendant’s direct appeals in all cases were pending, defendant filed, in 

February 2019, a pro se petition under the Post-Conviction Hearing Act (725 ILCS 5/122-1 

et seq. (West 2018)). In his postconviction petition, defendant raised multiple claims of 
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constitutional error, including he was denied his sixth-amendment right to confront witnesses 

against him when testimonial hearsay was allowed without objection by trial counsel. See U.S. 

Const., amend. VI. Specifically, defendant points to Officer Maier’s testimony Ware came to 

him for “help.” 

¶ 50 In May 2019, the trial court summarily dismissed defendant’s postconviction 

petition, finding it frivolous and patently without merit. Defendant appealed the dismissal of his 

postconviction petition and the appeal is currently pending before this court (appellate case No. 

4-19-0523). 

¶ 51 G. Defendant’s Appeals

¶ 52 1. Case No. 16-CF-298, Appellate Case No. 4-18-0340

¶ 53 One of the issues raised in defendant’s appeal was the trial court’s failure to 

conduct a Krankel injury after he alleged, posttrial, he was denied the effective assistance of 

counsel. The State conceded a Krankel inquiry should have been conducted. We agreed and 

remanded the case for an inquiry into defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective assistance of 

counsel pursuant to Krankel. People v. Chambers, 2020 IL App (4th) 180340-U, ¶ 2. 

¶ 54 2. Case No. 16-CF-299, Appellate Case No. 4-18-0341

¶ 55 Similarly, one of the claims raised in defendant’s direct appeal was the trial 

court’s failure to conduct a Krankel inquiry after he alleged, posttrial, he was denied the effective 

assistance of trial counsel. The State again conceded a Krankel hearing should have been held. In 

this case, defendant also raised double-jeopardy arguments, which we rejected. We remanded, 

however, for an inquiry into defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective assistance of counsel 

pursuant to Krankel. People v. Chambers, 2021 IL App (4th) 180341-U, ¶ 2. 

¶ 56 3. Case No. 17-CF-107, Appellate Case Nos. 4-18-0342 and 4-19-0523 
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¶ 57 Both the direct appeal (appellate case No. 4-18-0342) and the appeal from the 

postconviction petition were consolidated for our review (appellate case No. 4-19-0523). In the 

direct appeal of his attempt conviction, defendant asserted, in part, he was entitled to a Krankel 

inquiry. We agreed. We remanded for Krankel inquiry but concluded it would be premature to 

rule on case No. 4-19-0523 until the resolution of the Krankel inquiry. We severed the appeals.

People v. Chambers, 2021 IL App (4th) 180342-U, ¶¶ 2, 20, 22. 

¶ 58 H. Krankel Hearing

¶ 59 1. Case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299

¶ 60 The Krankel hearings for case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299 were held on the 

same day in March 2021. The issues regarding each case were addressed separately. The court 

first addressed the issues defendant raised as to case No. 16-CF-299. 

¶ 61 At the beginning of that hearing, the trial court summarized to defendant what it 

believed defendant was arguing. The court surmised defendant was arguing he was denied the 

effective assistance of counsel when trial counsel (1) failed to call two witnesses, Connor 

Corrigan and Angela Cassani, to testify at trial; (2) did not permit defendant to listen to certain 

telephone calls before trial that allegedly contained exculpatory information; (3) developed no 

trial strategy; (4) failed to investigate the case; and (5) did not file a motion to suppress the 

statements. 

¶ 62 Defendant explained, had the calls from case No. 17-CF-107 been played fully for 

the jury, the jury would have seen he did not commit the offense in case No. 16-CF-299. 

Defendant argued those calls showed Ware told Hamilton she was being pressured by the 

prosecution to testify. The trial court asked defendant if he spoke to Ware. Defendant stated he 

did not but that he relayed what Hamilton had told him. According to defendant, Hamilton said 
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in the call Ware “was going to come to court and tell the truth that [defendant] didn’t do 

anything.” Defendant also maintained Ware told Corrigan and Cassani the same. When the court 

asked defendant how this amounted to ineffective assistance, defendant said he presented the 

affidavits to his trial counsel before trial. 

¶ 63 As to his allegations regarding a lack of a trial strategy, defendant asserted 

counsel told him he would file a motion to suppress the interrogation but failed to do so. When 

asked if that was all he was arguing, defendant responded as follows: “It’s pretty much 

everything, but once trial started, I was trying to whisper in [trial counsel’s] ear about certain 

things that was stated, and basically it was like, I got this type ordeal. He didn’t object to the 

interrogation videos at the trial when they kept trying to say that I was something like El Chapo, 

or that when they kept lying, stating that they witnessed me do certain things.” 

¶ 64 The trial court then asked defendant’s trial counsel, Brian Gabor, to address 

defendant’s assertions. Counsel stated, as for the whispering, he had informed defendant to write 

notes during trial instead of whispering. This allowed counsel to continue to hear the witnesses 

while allowing defendant to voice his concerns. 

¶ 65 Regarding Corrigan and Cassani, counsel stated the affidavits for those witnesses 

were provided to him three to six months after the trial and the guilty verdict. As for the 

allegations regarding the motion to suppress, counsel reported he and defendant often disagreed 

with how to proceed in the case. Counsel did not file the motion to suppress defendant wanted as

counsel concluded there was no merit to the proposed motion. 

¶ 66 Counsel also informed the trial court defendant was permitted to listen to the 

recordings of the telephone calls between him and Hamilton before trial. As for the trial 

preparation and tactics, counsel reported having met defendant numerous times at the jail to go 
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through discovery and to discuss how to proceed. While they disagreed at times about trial 

strategy, counsel reported the trial strategy was to question the credibility of Ware and Spaniol, 

to question the officers’ ability to observe and overhear, and to question the quality of the audio 

recordings. 

¶ 67 The trial court proclaimed for the record it reviewed the reports of proceedings in 

the cases and was familiar with the cases. The court recalled “much of” the matters discussed at 

the Krankel hearing. The court found, based on its observations, defendant “was a difficult client 

to deal with in terms of his expectations for the case.” Defendant exhibited “a little chip on your 

shoulder kind of attitude.” The court recalled defendant constantly talking to counsel during trial. 

The court concluded the cases were “strong cases for the State” and informed defendant the 

following: 

“[N]one of your specific claims of ineffective assistance of counsel 

really rise to the level that you think they do. There just is nothing 

to indicate that you had ineffective assistance of counsel. To the 

contrary, I do think that Mr. Gabor was very well prepared[;] he 

put in a lot of time on this case. I know that because he was very 

well prepared, and there were a number of cases that were 

involved. He knew the evidence, he knew the witnesses, he knew 

the issues, and he did the best that he could with regards to the 

facts that he had.” 

¶ 68 The trial court concluded Gabor “did an excellent job on this case.” The court 

found, “The problem isn’t Mr. Gabor[;] the problem is the facts of the case. That’s the problem. 

He can only do so much.” The court found defendant’s ineffectiveness claims “vague and 
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conclusory.” The court declined defendant’s request to appoint new counsel and denied 

defendant’s pro se claim. 

¶ 69 2. Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 70 At the start of the Krankel hearing, the trial court adopted its findings from the 

Krankel hearing held in case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299 as those findings related to 

defendant’s arguments in case No. 17-CF-107. The court summarized the arguments defendant 

made in his pro se posttrial motion alleging ineffective assistance of trial counsel as follows: 

“[Y]our complaints about Mr. Gabor were that you were not 

admonished at any point before the trial or after the trial that you 

were extended[-]term eligible on the Class 3 felony attempt 

harassment, that Counsel did not object to the extended[-]term 

sentence, that Counsel did not object to the filing of the amended 

information, that Counsel did not call witnesses, although you 

didn’t, I couldn’t see where you identified any specific witnesses, 

and that Counsel didn’t object to altered phone calls.” 

¶ 71 After being asked if those were his complaints in this case, defendant agreed they 

were but asserted he had others that were not included in the motion. Among those relevant to 

this appeal are defendant’s contentions (1) the calls were “blended differently” and not “the same 

conversation” he had with Hamilton and (2) the last part of the telephone conversations were not 

played for the jury, which would have shown Ware told Hamilton the state’s attorney was 

harassing her to testify. 

¶ 72 The trial court then asked counsel to speak to defendant’s allegations. Counsel 

responded to many of defendant’s ineffectiveness claims which are no longer being pursued on 
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appeal. Relevant to this appeal, counsel replied the State had the audio recordings, which spoke 

for themselves. 

¶ 73 The trial court found defense counsel “very, very extremely prepared.” The court 

found him competent and capable. The court observed the record showed defendant was not 

afraid to speak up in the courtroom. The court noted defendant initially filed a motion to proceed 

with the trials pro se but withdrew his own motion, and defendant interrupted the court multiple 

times. The court emphasized defendant did not, however, once raise concerns about counsel’s 

effectiveness. The court concluded defendant was attempting “to get a second bite at the apple.” 

¶ 74 The trial court declined to appoint new counsel. 

¶ 75 This consolidated appeal followed.

¶ 76 II. ANALYSIS 

¶ 77 A. Effectiveness of Counsel, Case No. 16-CF-298 

¶ 78 Defendant argues he was denied the effective assistance of trial counsel when 

counsel failed to object to the admission of the two interrogation videos as containing irrelevant 

and prejudicial statements. Defendant acknowledges counsel objected to the videos by asserting 

they referred to prior bad acts, an objection the trial court overruled. He, however, highlights as 

irrelevant and overly prejudicial the questions by the officers asking if defendant was trying to be 

the “El Chapo” of Pontiac or if he sold to children and Inspector Benning’s assertion defendant 

was lying as there was “no denying” he sold heroin. Defendant further maintains the record 

reveals a reasonable probability the outcome of the trial would have been different had these 

statements been redacted and not shown to the jury. Defendant emphasizes the fact Spaniol was 

biased as she was seeking consideration in sentencing in her own case and the purchase was not 

controlled as no one searched Huffman.
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¶ 79 When a defendant claims denial of the constitutional right to the effective 

assistance of counsel, he or she carries the burden of establishing the two-pronged test set forth 

in Strickland v. Washington, 466 U.S. 668, 687 (1984). People v. McGath, 2017 IL App (4th) 

150608, ¶ 37, 83 N.E.3d 671. Under Strickland, to obtain relief, the defendant must prove the 

following: (1) counsel’s representation “was objectively unreasonable under prevailing 

professional norms” and (2) a reasonable probability exists, “ ‘but for counsel’s unprofessional 

errors, the result of the proceeding would have been different.’ ” People v. Domagala, 2013 IL 

113688, ¶ 36, 987 N.E.2d 767 (quoting Strickland, 466 U.S. at 694). The second prong, or 

prejudice prong, is satisfied with proof of a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the 

proceeding’s outcome. See People v. Coleman, 2015 IL App (4th) 131045, ¶ 80, 25 N.E.3d 82. 

A defendant’s failure to prove either prong of the Strickland test precludes a finding counsel was 

ineffective. McGath, 2017 IL App (4th) 150608, ¶ 37. 

¶ 80 Defendant’s ineffectiveness claims are based on the allegation statements in the 

video were irrelevant and overly prejudicial. To be relevant, evidence must either render a matter 

at issue more or less probable or tend to prove a fact in controversy. See People v. Lynn, 388 Ill. 

App. 3d 272, 280, 904 N.E.2d 987, 994 (2009). “[E]ven relevant evidence may be excluded 

where its probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial effect.” People v. 

Whitfield, 2018 IL App (4th) 150948, ¶ 47, 103 N.E.3d 1096. The question of whether evidence 

is relevant and admissible is a question within the trial court’s discretion, meaning we will not 

overturn a decision to admit evidence unless the decision is arbitrary, fanciful, or unreasonable. 

Id. ¶ 46. The determination of whether evidence is overly prejudicial is also reviewed for an 

abuse of discretion. See People v. Wilson, 214 Ill. 2d 127, 141, 824 N.E.2d 191, 199-200 (2005). 

¶ 81 Without ruling on the reasonableness of trial counsel’s representation, we find 
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defendant cannot prove the second Strickland prong of his claim. There is no reasonable 

probability the outcome of defendant’s trial would have been different absent a showing of the 

video. Spaniol, who had been searched before the controlled buy, identified defendant and not 

Huffman as the individual who sold her heroin. While she had some motivation to assist police 

officers by participating in a controlled purchase, there are no facts to show greater consideration 

would be afforded if defendant were the target of the investigation rather than Huffman. Police 

officers worked together to surveil Spaniol. Both Inspector Benning and Officer Maier testified 

to having observed defendant near the vehicle Spaniol was in. Officer Maier observed defendant, 

while on a bicycle, putting his closed fist inside the vehicle and pulling out a closed fist from the 

vehicle. Inspector Benning saw defendant after he left the vehicle’s side. Spaniol returned to the 

police station with two bags of heroin. After the interview with Inspector Benning, defendant, 

upon seeking to work for the police, admitted he “probably did it” but he did not “remember 

exactly doing it.” 

¶ 82 B. Adequacy of the Krankel Hearings 

¶ 83 In this consolidated appeal, defendant challenged the adequacy of the Krankel

inquiry in all three cases. 

¶ 84 A defendant triggers the common-law procedure of Krankel when he or she 

asserts in the trial court a pro se claim of ineffective assistance of counsel. People v. Rhodes, 

2019 IL App (4th) 160917, ¶ 12, 128 N.E.3d 1100. The “narrow purpose” of the Krankel inquiry 

is to permit the trial court to determine whether new counsel should be appointed to argue the 

defendant’s pro se posttrial claims of ineffective assistance of counsel. People v. Ayres, 2017 IL 

120071, ¶ 11, 88 N.E.3d 732. 

¶ 85 Here, we are tasked with determining “whether the trial court conducted an 
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adequate inquiry into *** defendant’s pro se allegations of ineffective assistance of counsel.” 

People v. Moore, 207 Ill. 2d 68, 78, 797 N.E.2d 631, 638 (2003). To perform an adequate 

inquiry, the inquiry must be “sufficient to determine the factual basis of the claim.” Ayres, 2017 

IL 120071, ¶ 11 (quoting People v. Banks, 237 Ill. 2d 154, 213, 934 N.E.2d 435, 468 (2010)). 

During this inquiry “some interchange between the trial court and trial counsel regarding the 

facts and circumstances surrounding the allegedly ineffective representation is permissible and 

usually necessary in assessing what further action, if any, is warranted on a defendant’s claim.” 

Moore, 207 Ill. 2d at 78. The court may evaluate a defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective 

assistance of counsel based on “its knowledge of defense counsel’s performance at trial and the 

insufficiency of the defendant’s allegations on their face.” Id. A trial court may also extinguish a 

defendant’s ineffectiveness claims upon finding the claims lack legal or factual merit. See People 

v. Roddis, 2020 IL 124352, ¶¶ 55, 56, 61. When, however, allegations reveal possible neglect of 

the case, the trial court should appoint new counsel for additional proceedings. Ayres, 2017 IL 

120071, ¶ 11. 

¶ 86 This court reviews de novo the manner employed by the trial court in conducting 

the Krankel hearing. People v. Lawson, 2019 IL App (4th) 180452, ¶ 43, 139 N.E.3d 663. 

¶ 87 1. Case No. 16-CF-298

¶ 88 Defendant argues the trial court conducted an inadequate Krankel inquiry into his 

claim trial counsel should have objected to the interrogation videos admitted at trial because the 

court did not address his claim or ask trial counsel to respond to it. Defendant maintains the trial 

court prevented the development of a record sufficient for a determination of whether his claim 

had merit. In addition, because of the court’s alleged animosity toward defendant, he seeks a new 

Krankel inquiry before a different judge. 
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¶ 89 We do not find the inquiry inadequate. Above, we rejected defendant’s claim 

counsel was ineffective for not objecting to the interrogation videos on the ground of containing 

overly prejudicial information. Recently, the Third District refused to find a Krankel hearing 

inadequate when the same ineffectiveness claim had been found meritless. People v. Barner, 

2022 IL App (3d) 20043-U, ¶¶ 30, 34. We find this approach applicable here. Our determination 

on the effectiveness of counsel turns on the second Strickland prong, i.e., prejudice, and not on 

the question of whether trial counsel’s approach was reasonable or a matter of trial strategy. No 

statement by trial counsel regarding strategy was therefore necessary. The Krankel inquiry on 

this matter was sufficient. 

¶ 90 2. Case No. 16-CF-299

¶ 91 Defendant contends the trial court conducted an inadequate Krankel inquiry into 

his claim trial counsel was ineffective for not calling two witnesses who would have testified the 

State pressured Ware to testify and Ware denied buying heroin from defendant. Defendant 

further contends the inquiry was inadequate as he asserted counsel was ineffective in not 

introducing a phone call between defendant and Hamilton in which Hamilton told defendant the 

State was pressuring Ware to testify and Ware said she did not buy heroin from defendant. 

¶ 92 As to his first claim, regarding trial counsel’s failure to call two witnesses, 

defendant references the affidavits signed by Connor Corrigan and Angelo Cassani. Both 

affidavits appear in the record. Defendant acknowledges in his reply brief these affidavits were 

filed after trial, as counsel asserted during the Krankel hearing. Defendant contends, however, 

the fact the affidavits were signed after trial does not mean trial counsel was possibly ineffective 

for not investigating those witnesses before trial. 

¶ 93 Defendant’s argument fails, as the record reveals the trial court had sufficient 
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information to determine the factual basis of this claim. The trial court heard defendant’s 

allegation on this matter, and the record contains both affidavits. The affidavits plainly establish 

neither counsel nor defendant knew about these witnesses before trial. In case No. 16-CF-299, 

defendant’s trial was held on June 27, 2017. Cassani signed his affidavit in December 2017. In 

that affidavit, Cassani averred he told defendant of his conversations with Ware after meeting

defendant at the earliest in August 2017: “I am currently incarcerated in the Livingston County 

jail. When I got here in August of 2017[,] I heard of this guy named Jon-Jon[.] [W]hen I first met 

him I apologized to him for what my friend *** Ware did to him.” 

¶ 94 Corrigan’s September 2017 affidavit shows Corrigan did not know defendant in 

“June-July, 2017.” According to Corrigan, Ware told him, “[o]n or about June-July, 2017,” that 

she “snitched on Jon-Jon, (Jonathan Chambers).” Corrigan averred “at the time, [he] did not 

know Jon-Jon at all, but [he] felt bad about the situation.” Corrigan then stated he “met Jon-Jon 

for the first time in county jail, where” Corrigan was incarcerated at that time. 

¶ 95 The trial court was aware of defendant’s factual assertions and of the record 

before it. The Krankel inquiry was sufficient.

¶ 96 Defendant next asserts the trial court failed to inquire adequately into his claim 

counsel was ineffective for not introducing at trial the phone conversation he had with Hamilton, 

during which Hamilton relayed Ware’s admission she lied about purchasing heroin from 

defendant. Defendant acknowledges the court gave counsel the opportunity to speak to this 

allegation but contends counsel’s answer was nonresponsive. 

¶ 97 At the Krankel inquiry, counsel asked the trial court if there was anything else he 

had not addressed. After the court said, “The phone calls with [S]had Hamilton—,” counsel 

replied, “Anything that we had, [defendant] was allowed to review and hear prior to trial.” 
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¶ 98 We do not find the inquiry inadequate, as the inquiry was adequate to ascertain

the factual basis of defendant’s claim. First, as defendant admits, the trial court asked both 

defendant and trial counsel to comment on this allegation. Second, the record and the court’s 

observations at trial additionally provide the factual basis necessary to resolve this claim. From 

those sources, the record establishes the use of the recording, as defendant now suggests should 

have been done, would have in fact been catastrophic for him in both case Nos. 16-CF-299 and 

17-CF-107. Even if defendant could have overcome the high hurdle of a hearsay objection to the 

admission of a telephone recording of Hamilton speaking about his alleged conversations with 

Ware, the playing of that recording would have opened the door to the jury hearing defendant’s 

conversations with Hamilton regarding Ware. In those conversations, defendant repeatedly 

insisted Hamilton convince Ware not to testify in case No. 16-CF-299. Defendant also admitted 

other bad conduct in the call, such as admitting he had done something similar on Hamilton’s 

behalf, convincing someone not to testify against Hamilton when Hamilton was incarcerated. 

Moreover, Ware would likely have been called in rebuttal and questioned about the alleged 

conversation with Hamilton. Such testimony may have given the State what it needed to pursue, 

in case No. 17-CF-107, not only charges for the inchoate offense of attempted harassment, but 

also for the completed offense of harassment. No further statement from counsel was needed for 

the court to know what defendant was arguing and to determine whether counsel’s conduct to not 

pursue such a course was reasonable. 

¶ 99 3. Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 100 Defendant argues the trial court’s inquiry into his ineffectiveness claim in case 

No. 17-CF-107 was inadequate for two reasons. First, defendant contends the trial court failed to 

inquire adequately into his claim counsel failed to object to the altered phone calls between 
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Hamilton and him. 

¶ 101 During the Krankel inquiry, the trial court asked defendant, “What is this altered 

phone call?” Defendant responded as follows: “They was cutting in and out; and you could 

barely hear most of the things that was stated inside the phone calls, like certain things what 

Shad would say or what I say[.] [I]t was like blended differently. It wasn’t like the same 

conversation that was held between me and Shad.” The court asked a follow-up question to 

determine the factual basis of that claim: “And you are just basing that on the fact that you were 

on the phone call?” Defendant replied affirmatively. After eliciting defendant’s explanation on 

this issue and a number of others, the trial court asked counsel to respond in general to 

defendant’s multiple claims. During his explanation, counsel referenced the recordings. The 

language defendant uses in support of his claim counsel was unresponsive to the issue of 

“blended differently” recordings is within the following response:

“Once the—And when we ended up going to trial on this, 

the State only proceeded to trial on attempted harassment of a

witness. Once that happened, whether or not anything was actually 

communicated to Ms. Ware by Mr. Hamilton was irrelevant. The 

State had the audios, the overhear where clearly [defendant] and 

Mr. Hamilton were talking about trying to contact Ms. Ware. 

[Defendant] says, oh, no, we have to use code. Let’s talk to JW. 

Honestly, not a very good code. JW, Jamie Ware.

The audio unfortunately spoke for themselves. So whether 

or not Mr. Hamilton ever contacted Ms. Ware is, at that point[,] 

completely irrelevant.”
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¶ 102 The Krankel inquiry was adequate to determine the factual basis for defendant’s 

claim. The trial court heard defendant’s allegation and learned defendant had no factual support 

for that assertion other than he participated in the conversation and heard the recordings. 

Moreover, the court was the same court in which the trial was held, at which the recordings were 

played and heard by the court. Hamilton also testified the recordings accurately represented his 

conversations with defendant. A direct response from counsel was unnecessary to the court’s 

inquiry. 

¶ 103 Defendant’s second challenge to the adequacy of the trial court’s Krankel inquiry 

relates to his claim counsel should have played for the jury a telephone call during which 

Hamilton told defendant that Ware told Hamilton she was being pressured by the State to testify. 

Defendant contends counsel did not disclose whether he listened to the call or explain his trial 

strategy for not introducing the call. 

¶ 104 We disagree with defendant’s contention counsel did not respond to this 

allegation. Defense counsel’s response to the trial court’s question included his conclusion, after 

the State dropped the harassment charge to attempted harassment, the issue of “whether or not 

Mr. Hamilton ever contacted Ms. Ware is, at that point[,] completely irrelevant.” While he did 

not say he listened to the call, he provided an explanation for the exclusion of evidence related to 

conversations between Hamilton and Ware.

¶ 105 The trial court thus had gained the information necessary to learn the factual basis 

for defendant’s claim. Defendant told the court his concerns at the Krankel inquiry. The court 

knew the facts of the case, including the elements of the charged offense and the witnesses who 

testified. No further information was needed for the trial court to find no merit to this 

ineffectiveness claim.
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¶ 106 4. Allegedly Improper Krankel Inquiry

¶ 107 We note in each Krankel-based claim defendant asserts the trial court’s inquiry 

was inadequate as the court repeatedly referenced an improper standard when ruling on his 

claims. Defendant emphasizes the court’s references to defendant’s failure to raise the issue in 

either of the three cases at any time before the end of trial. Defendant contends Illinois courts 

recognize the difficulty in resolving Strickland claims before the end of trial as the outcome has 

not been reached and it would be, therefore, impossible to decide the second Strickland prong. 

See People v. Washington, 2012 IL App (2d) 101287, ¶ 20, 970 N.E.2d 43. 

¶ 108 As shown above, a Krankel inquiry is adequate when it is “sufficient to determine 

the factual basis of the claim.” Ayres, 2017 IL 120071, ¶ 11 (quoting Banks, 237 Ill. at 213). The 

trial court’s emphasis on defendant’s failure to assert concerns about counsel’s representation of 

him does not affect an adequacy-of-the-Krankel-inquiry determination when the process was 

sufficient to determine the factual basis of the defendant’s claims. Here, the Krankel inquiry was 

adequate as the court had determined the factual bases of defendant’s claims. 

¶ 109 C. Hearsay, Case No. 17-CF-107 

¶ 110 Defendant next contends the trial court erroneously overruled counsel’s hearsay 

objection to Officer Maier’s testimony Ware approached him for “help” regarding defendant’s 

phone calls with Hamilton. Defendant contends the testimony was inadmissible to explain 

Officer Maier’s steps in the investigation as the court failed to assess the testimony to ensure it 

included no more than necessary to explain Officer Maier’s conduct and the statement revealed 

information that was unnecessary and prejudicial. Defendant acknowledges his claim is forfeited 

as he failed to raise the matter in a written posttrial motion. Defendant urges this court, however, 

to review the matter as plain error. 
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¶ 111 At trial, the objection followed the State’s question to Officer Maier after the 

State confirmed Officer Maier had spoken to Ware about the recordings of the telephone 

conversations: 

“[THE STATE]. She had come to you regarding help for 

what was happening?

A. Correct.

[DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Objection. 

THE COURT: Hold on. What was the objection? 

[DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Hearsay regarding help.

THE COURT: That’s not a hearsay statement. Overruled.” 

¶ 112 The State maintains Officer Maier did not provide a statement by Ware. 

¶ 113 Under the plain-error rule, a court of review may consider an otherwise forfeited 

argument under one of two scenarios: 

“(1) a clear or obvious error occurred and the evidence is so 

closely balanced that the error alone threatened to tip the scales of 

justice against the defendant, regardless of the seriousness of the 

error, or (2) a clear or obvious error occurred and that error is so 

serious that it affected the fairness of the defendant’s trial and 

challenged the integrity of the judicial process, regardless of the 

closeness of the evidence.” People v. Merriweather, 2022 IL App 

(4th) 210498, ¶ 25 (quoting People v. Sargent, 239 Ill. 2d 166, 

189, 940 N.E.2d 1045, 1058 (2010)). 

To invoke the plain-error rule, defendant bears the burden of proving one of the above scenarios 
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applies. Id. Our first task in plain-error analysis is to determine whether a clear or obvious error 

occurred at trial. People v. Sebby, 2017 IL 119445, ¶ 49, 89 N.E.3d 675.

¶ 114 Evidence is hearsay when it is “an out-of-court statement offered to prove the 

truth of the matter asserted.” People v. Olinger, 176 Ill. 2d 326, 357, 680 N.E.2d 321, 336 

(1997). A statement can be an oral or written assertion or nonverbal conduct of a person if the 

conduct was intended as an assertion. People v. Neal, 2020 IL App (4th) 170869, ¶ 80, 150 

N.E.3d 984. Hearsay evidence “is generally inadmissible due to its lack of reliability unless it 

falls within an exception to the hearsay rule.” Olinger, 176 Ill. 2d at 357.

¶ 115 Defendant has not met his burden of establishing a clear error occurred. In his 

opening brief, defendant developed no argument establishing Officer Maier’s agreement Ware 

came to him for “help with what was happening” was a “statement” within the definition of 

hearsay. After the State asserted the challenged testimony was not a “statement,” defendant 

asserted the following in his reply brief: “Maier’s testimony that Jamie came to him for ‘help’ 

was a statement because she either told Maier she needed help, or her nonverbal conduct 

indicated to him that she needed help. [(Record citation omitted.)] Maier then impermissibly 

repeated Jamie’s statement at trial, which made it an out-of-court statement.” Defendant further 

highlighted the question regarding “help” followed the State’s question of whether Officer Maier 

spoke to Ware about the recordings. The only citation to support the contention Officer Maier’s 

answer is a “statement” is a citation to the definition of hearsay. Officer Maier did not provide 

the words Ware used and did not testify Ware asked or used the word “help.” Defendant 

provides no legal support for the argument the admission of a reference to a situation, without 

revealing the words spoken, is clear error based on hearsay.

¶ 116 In sum, defendant has not established plain error. The procedural forfeiture stands
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as a result. 

¶ 117 III. CONCLUSION

¶ 118 For the reasons stated, we affirm the trial court’s judgment. 

¶ 119 Affirmed.