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·1· · · · · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

·2· · · · · · · NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

·3· · · · · · · · · · ·SAN JOSE DIVISION

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·5· ·CHRISTINA GRACE AND KEN POTTER,

· · ·Individually and on Behalf of All· Case No.

·6· ·Others Similarly Situated,

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 5:17-cv-00551-LHK-NC

·7· · · · · · · · · · ·Plaintiffs,

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· · ·APPLE, INC.

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· · · · · · · · · · · ·Defendant.

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13· · · · ·HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL, ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY

14· · · · · · · · · VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF

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16· · · · · · · · ·WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 2018

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19· ·Reported by:· LUCY CARRILLO-GRUBBS, CSR #6766

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·1· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Objection.

·2· · · ·THE WITNESS:· -- if I traveled back in time? I

·3· ·don't understand your question.· Would you mind

·4· ·repeating it?

·5· · · ·ATTORNEY CURRY:· Okay.

·6· · · ·Q.· Did you at some point actually issue a new

·7· ·iPhone device CA with a new expiration date?

·8· · · ·A.· Excuse me.· In the -- I believe it was in

·9· ·October of 2013, after we discovered that the

10· ·expiration of the device certificate was leading to

11· ·FaceTime calls and as part of that investigation we

12· ·understood how the expiration of the iPhone device

13· ·CA was going to affect its clients, we did reissue

14· ·the CA.

15· · · ·Q.· How long did that take?

16· · · ·A.· To reissue the certificate?

17· · · ·Q.· Yes, sir.

18· · · ·A.· The actual act of reissuing it?

19· · · ·Q.· Yes, sir.

20· · · ·A.· I would include within that the

21· ·investigation work to understand its impact and the

22· ·work to go do that, I think that was on the order

23· ·of weeks.

24· · · ·Q.· Okay.

25· · · · · ·Not including all the work to -- leading

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·1· ·up to it, how long did it take to actually issue a

·2· ·new iPhone device CA with a new expiration date?

·3· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Object to the form.

·4· · · ·THE WITNESS:· If I remember correctly, that

·5· ·work was done -- once we understood exactly what we

·6· ·needed to do, that work was done in one business

·7· ·day to reissue the new iPhone device CA.

·8· · · ·BY ATTORNEY CURRY:

·9· · · ·Q.· Is that iPhone device CA still being used

10· ·to issue device certificates today?

11· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Objection, beyond the scope.

12· · · ·THE WITNESS:· I believe it is.

13· · · ·BY ATTORNEY CURRY:

14· · · ·Q.· And do you know when iOS 6.1.3 was

15· ·released?

16· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Objection, beyond the scope.

17· · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do not remember specifically.

18· ·I would have to go back and check.

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20· · · ·Q.· If you had known about the device

21· ·certificate issue before iOS 6.1.3 was released,

22· ·you could have issued a new iPhone -- Apple iPhone

23· ·device CA in one business day and started issuing

24· ·certificates based on that, correct?

25· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Object to the form, beyond

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·1· · · ·ATTORNEY CURRY:· We'll leave the 30(b)(6) open

·2· ·for the scope of the topics that the witness was

·3· ·unable to testify to and unprepared to testify to.

·4· ·But sitting here, with the witness prepared as he

·5· ·is, we have no further questions.

·6· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· We're going to take a quick

·7· ·break before we conclude.

·8· · · ·ATTORNEY CURRY:· Okay.

·9· · · ·VIDEOTAPE OPERATOR:· The time is 4:01 p.m., we

10· ·are off the record.

11· · · ·(Recess taken.)

12· · · ·VIDEOTAPE OPERATOR:· The time is 4:04 p.m., we

13· ·are on the record.

14· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-O15· · · · · · · · · · · EXAMINATION

16· · · ·BY ATTORNEY PILMER:

17· · · ·Q.· So, Mr. De Atley, in answering questions

18· ·from plaintiffs' counsel earlier, you mentioned a

19· ·conversation that you had with Kurt Knight in

20· ·preparation for your deposition, correct?

21· · · ·A.· Yes.

22· · · ·Q.· And can -- do you recall that the topic of

23· ·that conversation was about executives who may have

24· ·had some visibility into the -- to the certificate

25· ·expiration issue?

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·1· · · ·A.· Yes.

·2· · · ·Q.· Can you tell us, please, who those

·3· ·executives were and what you understand that to

·4· ·mean?

·5· · · ·A.· In the context of our conversation with

·6· ·Kurt, he was referring to a conversation that

·7· ·Patrick Gates had with Craig Federighi, Eddy Cue

·8· ·and Greg Joswiak.

·9· · · ·Q.· And are those three gentlemen the

10· ·executives that you understood that e-mail to be

11· ·referring to?

12· · · ·A.· Based on my conversation with Kurt, yes.

13· · · ·ATTORNEY PILMER:· Okay, I have no further

14· ·questions.

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17· · · ·BY ATTORNEY CURRY:

18· · · ·Q.· Did Mr. Knight tell you what was discussed

19· ·between Patrick Gates and Craig Federighi, Eddy Cue

20· ·and Joswiak?

21· · · ·A.· No, I don't believe he did.

22· · · ·Q.· Did you ask him?

23· · · ·A.· I don't recall asking him, no.

24· · · ·ATTORNEY CURRY:· Okay.· Subject to my other

25· ·comments about leaving the deposition open, I have

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REPORTER ' S CERTIFICATE

I certify that the foregoing proceedings i n the

within - entitled cause were reported a t the time and

place therein named ; that said proceedings were

reported b y m e , a duly Certified Shorthand Reporter

o f the State o f California , and were thereafter

transcribed into typewriting

I further certify that I a m not o f counsel

o r attorney for either o r any o f the parties t o

said cause o f action , nor i n any way interested i n

the outcome o f the cause named i n said cause o f

action .

I N WITNESS WHEREOF , I have hereunto set m y hand

this 2 3 r d day o f April , 2018 .

Witness did not request t o read and sign .

LUCY CARRILLO - GRUBBS , CRP , CSR

Certified Shorthand Reporter

Certificate N o . 6766

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