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Page 1 ·1· · · · · UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

·2· · · · ·NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

·3· · · · · · · · SAN JOSE DIVISION

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· · ·No. 5:17-cv-00551-LHK-NC

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·6· ·CHRISTINA GRACE and KEN POTTER,

·7· · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,

·8· · · · · v.

·9· ·APPLE, INC.,

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15· · · · · · VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF

16· · · · · · · · ·JACQUES VIDRINE

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23· ·DATE TAKEN:· SEPTEMBER 6, 2018

24· ·REPORTED BY:· PAUL J. FREDERICKSON, CCR, CSR

25· ·JOB NO. 307269

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Page 2 ·1· · · · · UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

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· · ·No. 5:17-cv-00551-LHK-NC

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·6· ·CHRISTINA GRACE and KEN POTTER,

·7· · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,

·8· · · · · v.

·9· ·APPLE, INC.,

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13· · · · · · · · SEPTEMBER 6, 2018

14· · · Videotaped deposition of JACQUES VIDRINE,

15· ·the witness herein, held at San Francisco,

16· ·California at 9:30 a.m., pursuant to notice,

17· ·before Paul J. Frederickson, CCR, CSR.

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·1· · · · ·I come from the law firm Caldwell

·2· · · · ·Cassady & Curry, out of Dallas, Texas.

·3· · · · · · · · MR. NOVIKOV:· Gene Novikov, from

·4· · · · ·Durie Tangri LLP for Apple and the

·5· · · · ·witness, and with me is Gabe Zeldin,

·6· · · · ·counsel with Apple.

·7· · · · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you.

·8· · · · · · · · Will the court reporter please

·9· · · · ·swear in the witness.

10· · · · · · · · JACQUES VIDRINE

11· · · · · being duly sworn on oath, was

12· · · · · · ·examined and testified

13· · · · · · · · · ·as follows:

14· · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION

15· ·BY MR. McCARTY:

16· · · · ·Q.· · ·Good morning.

17· · · · ·A.· · ·Good morning.

18· · · · ·Q.· · ·Would you please state your name

19· ·for the record?

20· · · · ·A.· · ·Jacques Vidrine.

21· · · · ·Q.· · ·Could you please spell that?

22· · · · ·A.· · ·J-A-C-Q-U-E-S V-I-D-R-I-N-E.

23· · · · ·Q.· · ·My name is Warren McCarty.· I'm an

24· ·attorney for the plaintiffs in this case.· Do

25· ·you understand that I represent the plaintiffs

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·1· ·named Dallas besides Dallas De Atley?

·2· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes.· But I think he retired

·3· ·before this date.

·4· · · · ·Q.· · ·That's a surprise.· I was not

·5· ·expecting a yes to that answer.

·6· · · · ·A.· · ·It's not a common name.

·7· · · · ·Q.· · ·If we go to the beginning of 174

·8· ·do you see Dallas De Atley is part of the

·9· ·recipient addresses there?

10· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes.

11· · · · ·Q.· · ·On February 22, 2013 do you

12· ·understand that Matthew Murphy was emailing

13· ·your boss, Dallas De Atley?

14· · · · ·A.· · ·Yep.

15· · · · ·Q.· · ·On February 22, 2013 did Matthew

16· ·Murphy email your boss, Dallas De Atley and

17· ·say:· "There was some question about the iPhone

18· ·device sub-CA which expires in just over a year

19· ·on April 16th of 2014"?

20· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes, that's what this says.

21· · · · ·Q.· · ·On February 26, 2013 did Matthew

22· ·Murphy email your boss Dallas De Atley and say:

23· ·"We're unsure what the impact of this

24· ·expiration might be and want to ascertain

25· ·whether there might be any breakage"?

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·1· · · · · · · · MR. NOVIKOV:· Mischaracterizes the

·2· · · · ·document.

·3· · · · ·A.· · ·Yeah, no.

·4· · · · ·Q.· · ·On February 22, 2013, did Matthew

·5· ·Murphy email your boss Dallas De Atley and say:

·6· ·"We are unsure what the impact of this

·7· ·expiration might be and want to ascertain

·8· ·whether there might be any breakage"?

·9· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes.

10· · · · ·Q.· · ·Did Mr. De Atley forward this

11· ·email from February 26, 2013 to you at that

12· ·time?

13· · · · ·A.· · ·Not that I recall.

14· · · · ·Q.· · ·You didn't get this information

15· ·until October of that year; is that right?

16· · · · ·A.· · ·That's what I recall.

17· · · · ·Q.· · ·Nearly eight months later?

18· · · · ·A.· · ·February to October, yes.

19· · · · ·Q.· · ·After iOS 7 was released; right?

20· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes, after iOS 7 was released in

21· ·September.

22· · · · ·Q.· · ·If iOS 7 was released in

23· ·September, how many months before iOS 7 was

24· ·released did Matthew Murphy email your boss

25· ·Dallas De Atley and say the iPhone device

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·1· ·sub-CA is going to expire in 2014 and we want

·2· ·to ascertain whether there might be any

·3· ·breakage?

·4· · · · ·A.· · ·Seems to be five months.

·5· · · · ·Q.· · ·How many months -- how many months

·6· ·are between February and September?

·7· · · · ·A.· · ·Sorry, my mistake.· Seven months.

·8· · · · ·Q.· · ·During those seven months did you

·9· ·work on addressing the issues of the iPhone

10· ·device sub-CA at all?

11· · · · ·A.· · ·No, I did not.

12· · · · ·Q.· · ·Do you know if Dallas did?

13· · · · ·A.· · ·I do not know.

14· · · · ·Q.· · ·Do you know if Andrew Whalley did?

15· · · · ·A.· · ·I do know from this document,

16· ·Exhibit 173, that he was looking at the iPhone

17· ·device sub-CA expiration in May.

18· · · · ·Q.· · ·And he was -- he was talking to

19· ·the owner of FaceTime, wasn't he?

20· · · · ·A.· · ·Yes.· It was one of the people he

21· ·contacted.

22· · · · ·Q.· · ·That was Justin Wood?

23· · · · ·A.· · ·Correct.

24· · · · ·Q.· · ·Justin Wood said, "when validation

25· ·fails we expect FaceTime to fail," didn't he?

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·2· · · · · · · C E R T I F I C A T E

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·5· · · · · · · · I, PAUL J. FREDERICKSON, CA

·6· ·Certified Shorthand Reporter No. 13164 and

·7· ·WA Certified Court Reporter No. 2419, do

·8· ·hereby certify:

·9· · · · · · · · That prior to being examined,

10· ·the witness named in the foregoing

11· ·deposition was by me duly sworn or affirmed

12· ·to testify to the truth, the whole truth and

13· ·nothing but the truth;

14· · · · · · · · That said deposition was taken

15· ·down by me in shorthand at the time and

16· ·place therein named, and thereafter reduced

17· ·to print by means of computer-aided

18· ·transcription; and the same is a true,

19· ·correct and complete transcript of said

20· ·proceedings.

21· · · · · · · · I further certify that I am not

22· ·interested in the outcome of the action.

23· · · · · · · · Witness my hand this 13th day

24· ·of September 2018.

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