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·1· · · · · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

·2· · · · · · · NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

·3· · · · · · · · · · ·SAN JOSE DIVISION

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·5· ·CHRISTINA GRACE and KEN POTTER,

·6· ·Individually and on Behalf of

·7· ·All Others Similarly Situated,

·8· · · · · · Plaintiffs,

·9· ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · No. 5:17-cv-00551-LHK-NC

10· ·APPLE INC.,

11· · · · · · Defendant.

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15· · · · · · · · · · HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL

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17· · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF GOKUL THIRUMALAI

18· · · · · · · · · PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA

19· · · · · · · · · FRIDAY, APRIL 20, 2018

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23· ·Reported by:

24· ·JANIS JENNINGS, CSR, CCRR

25· ·Job No. 305491

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·1· · · · · · Will the court reporter please swear in the

·2· ·witness.

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·4· · · · · · · · · · GOKUL THIRUMALAI,

·5· · · · · · ·The witness herein, was sworn and

·6· · · · · · ·testified as follows:

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·8· · · · · · · · · · · EXAMINATION

·9· ·BY MR. McCARTY:

10· · · ·Q.· ·Good morning, Mr. Thirumalai.

11· · · ·A.· ·Good morning.

12· · · ·Q.· ·Would you please state your name for the

13· ·record.

14· · · ·A.· ·Sure.· Gokul Thirumalai.

15· · · ·Q.· ·And would you spell that, please.

16· · · ·A.· ·G-o-k-u-l, first name; and last name is

17· ·T-h-i-r-u-m-a-l-a-i.

18· · · ·Q.· ·My name is Warren McCarty.· We have not met

19· ·before today; right?

20· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

21· · · ·Q.· ·Do you understand that I represent

22· ·plaintiffs in this case?

23· · · ·A.· ·I do.

24· · · ·Q.· ·Do you know who the plaintiffs are in this

25· ·case?

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·1· ·usage on Akamai's relay servers for FaceTime?

·2· · · ·A.· ·At the time, no.

·3· · · ·Q.· ·Do you understand that to be the case now?

·4· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

·5· · · ·Q.· ·And who at Apple would have been primarily

·6· ·responsible for negotiating the contract or changes

·7· ·in the contracts between Apple and Akamai as it

·8· ·related to FaceTime relay server usage?

·9· · · ·A.· ·Patrick Gates would -- was the person then

10· ·that worked with Akamai.

11· · · ·Q.· ·Do you know if there was anyone else either

12· ·above him or below him that would interface and work

13· ·with Akamai on the relay server usage and the

14· ·changes that Apple might have needed in 2013?

15· · · ·A.· ·I don't.

16· · · ·Q.· ·How long did Apple's -- strike that.

17· · · · · · How long were all FaceTime calls relayed

18· ·after you made the change in April 2013?

19· · · · · · MR. PILMER:· Object to the form.

20· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I mean, the server continues

21· ·to be configured to send all calls to relay.· The

22· ·clients are able to establish with the new mechanism

23· ·with iOS 7.

24· ·BY MR. McCARTY:

25· · · ·Q.· ·And so iOS 7 was September 2013; right?

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·1· · · ·A.· ·I'm sorry.· I'm having trouble.· You're

·2· ·jumping between two things.· So Patrick is asking

·3· ·what happened in April, and you're asking -- can you

·4· ·repeat the question one more time.

·5· · · ·Q.· ·Yeah.· I'm just asking -- I'm trying to

·6· ·understand if you had any discussions with

·7· ·Patrick Gates, whether in April or some other

·8· ·timeframe, about the topic of which he's trying to

·9· ·draw attention to by emailing you.

10· · · ·A.· ·Patrick is asking what happened in April.

11· ·And, as we reviewed earlier, I sent him emails in

12· ·April about what happened then.· And Patrick is

13· ·asking -- he doesn't remember clearly, so he's

14· ·asking what happened then.

15· · · ·Q.· ·Did Mr. Gates ever express a desire to you

16· ·to reduce relay usage to save money?

17· · · ·A.· ·Again, as we've discussed before, back in

18· ·early 2013 we had a project in iOS 7 that was about

19· ·reducing relay utilization.· Money wasn't

20· ·necessarily involved, and the conversation was

21· ·really about reducing relay utilization per what

22· ·Patrick's -- what the project was about.

23· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.· My question was:· Did Mr. Gates ever

24· ·express a desire to you to reduce relay usage to

25· ·save money?

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