IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS

DALLAS DIVISION 

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ( NUMBER 3: 04-240-G 

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HOLY LAND FOUNDATION, ET AL. ( July 19, 2007

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VOLUME 4

VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION

BEFORE THE HONORABLE A. JOE FISH

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A P P E A R A N C E S:

For the Government: MR. JIM JACKS

MR. BARRY JONAS

MS. ELIZABETH SHAPIRO

MR. NATHAN GARRETT

Assistant United States Attorney

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS

U.S. Courthouse 

1100 Commerce Street

Dallas, Texas 75242

214/659-8600

For the Defendant Shukri Baker:

MS. NANCY HOLLANDER 

MS. TERESA DUNCAN

FREEDMAN BOYD DANIELS 

HOLLANDER 

20 First Plaza, Suite 700 

Albuquerque, NM 87102

505/842-9960 

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For the Defendant El-Mezain:

MR. JOSHUA DRATEL

MR. AARON J. MYSLIWIEC

LAW OFFICE OF JOSHUA L. DRATEL

14 Wall Street, 28th Floor

New York, NY 10005

212/732-0707 

For the Defendant Mufid Abdulqader:

MS. MARLO CADEDDU

LAW OFFICE OF MARLO P. CADEDDU

3232 McKinney Avenue, Suite 700

Dallas, Texas 75204

214/744-3015 

For the Defendant Elashi:

MS. LINDA MORENO

LAW OFFICE OF LINDA MORENO

PO BOX 10985 

Tampa, Florida 33679

813-247-4500 

MR. JOHN D. CLINE 

Jones Day 

555 California St 

26th Floor 

San Francisco, CA 94104-1500 

415/875-5812 

For the Defendant Odeh:

MR. GREG WESTFALL

WESTFALL PLATT CUTRER

Mallick Tower

One Summit Avenue, Suite 910

Fort Worth, Texas 76102

817/877-1700

Court Reporter: Cassidi L. Casey, CSR No. 1703

1100 Commerce Street, Rm 15D6L

Dallas, Texas 75242

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P R O C E E D I N G S:

THE COURT: Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen.

MR. WESTFALL: Your Honor, may I approach? 

THE COURT: Yes, sir. 

Thank you for being on time.

MR. WESTFALL: Your Honor, I haven't had a 

chance to speak to the government, but I was thinking last 

night, the Court has given us six strikes per side for 

alternates. 

THE COURT: Yes, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: That would basically be the 

equivalent of having received twenty-four strikes for the 

venire panel. We haven't gotten so fond of those six 

strikes that we wouldn't be willing to go to the statutory 

three. And with -- We could automatically have six more 

on this panel if we went to the three strikes per side. 

That may be an idea. I think everyone, your Honor, would 

love to figure out a way to make this thing end at lunch 

time. 

THE COURT: Well, why don't you take a minute to 

confer with counsel for the government to see if that's 

agreeable to them, and if so, maybe we can shorten these 

proceedings. 

MR. JACKS: Your Honor, this is the first we 

have heard of it and to sit here and try to think about 

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the impact of that, we will need more time. 

THE COURT: I understand that. So maybe you can 

reflect on it and let me know either after the mid-morning 

recess or after the lunch recess. 

MR. JACKS: Thank you, your Honor. I have one 

question I wanted to raise. Regarding the challenges for 

cause and the hardship situations, I wasn't sure what the 

Court intended to do -- if the Court was simply going to 

make a ruling on those and come back and tell us or if the 

Court was going to perhaps take a moment and summarize so 

that we all are on the same page as to who's still out 

there with a cause challenge pending. And even beyond 

that, if the Court would even consider giving each side 

thirty seconds or so just to crystallize their causes and 

their response to that cause. 

THE COURT: Well, the time table I thought we 

were on before Mr. Westfall rose to speak a moment ago 

would be for us to have a general voir dire session, 

probably at nine o'clock tomorrow morning, but early in 

the day tomorrow. And in order to accomplish that, I will 

need to make a ruling on these pending challenges for 

cause and hardship excuses by early afternoon today so 

that we would be able to place a recorded message on this 

automated telephone system at the jury administrator's 

office by three o'clock which people needed to report 

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tomorrow. So it's my intent to compile that list as we 

were going along so that I could announce that some time 

maybe by -- at the conclusion of the noon recess or if I 

get it together sooner maybe even before that. So that 

was my plan. But in light of what Mr. Westfall has 

suggested, I'm not sure where we are on the time table if 

we do try to accelerate things in the manner he suggested. 

MR. JACKS: Thank you, your Honor. Does the 

Court have in mind the number that it would like to have? 

THE COURT: Well, under the numbers that we were 

operating on before, you know, with six strikes per side 

for alternates and wanting to have six alternates at the 

end, that's a total of eighteen, six plus six plus six, 

and then to get our jury of twelve, I have allocated 

twelve strikes collectively to the defense and seven for 

the government, and then the twelve jurors that we want to 

wind up with is -- Twelve plus twelve plus seven is 

thirty-one. So that's a total of forty-nine all together, 

regular and alternates. And my goal today was to question 

enough people so that after I make a ruling on these 

challenges for cause and hardship excuses, we would have 

probably I would say somewhere like half a dozen to a 

dozen in excess of this forty-nine minimum in case 

something comes up at the general voir dire that none of 

us has heard about before, and we wind up having to excuse 

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a few additional people. That was my thought. I don't 

have a definite number in mind but just some cushion 

beyond the forty-nine numbers. 

I believe when we left off for the day yesterday 

our next person was Patricia Sanders. 

Good morning, Ms. Sanders. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions they would like to ask you? 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

THE COURT: Mr. Westfall. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you, your Honor. My name 

is Greg Westfall. How are you this morning? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm good. How are you?

MR. WESTFALL: I'm one of the defense lawyers in 

this case, and I am going to speak with you a few minutes. 

This case is United States versus the Holy Land Foundation 

and involves allegations by the government that the Holy 

Land Foundation and some of the men involved with the Holy 

Land Foundation gave material support to HAMAS which is a 

foreign terrorist organization. The Holy Land Foundation 

was an American Muslim charity based in Richardson. Have 

you heard of the case before? 

VENIRE PERSON: No.

MR. WESTFALL: Haven't heard anything in the 

media? 

VENIRE PERSON: No.

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MR. WESTFALL: Do you know any Muslims? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir, I don't. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you had any good experiences 

with either Muslims or people of Arabic descent? 

VENIRE PERSON: Stopping by the gas station to 

get gas. Other than that, you know, I'm pretty -- 

MR. WESTFALL: Has it been pleasant? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, very pleasant. 

MR. WESTFALL: Any bad experiences that you can 

think of? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, none at all. 

MR. WESTFALL: So on a case where we're talking 

about Muslims, Muslim men that are charged with something 

that has terrorism in the title -- material support to 

terrorism in the title, how do you feel about being on a 

jury -- I know you did jury service before but not on a 

case like this. How do you feel about being on a jury 

like this? 

VENIRE PERSON: It doesn't bother me. They need 

to be judged on the facts. I don't look at it any 

different. I just look at the facts presented and make my 

judgment from that. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about free 

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speech, First Amendment? 

VENIRE PERSON: I guess everybody needs to be 

able to express themselves. I don't try to hold anybody 

back from saying what they want to say. We live in 

America. Everybody can say what they want to say. I 

don't judge them for it. That's their opinion. I have my 

opinion. No judgment, just that's your opinion. We can 

agree to disagree, and we go on from there. 

MR. WESTFALL: You said in your questionnaire 

that you were currently unemployed. 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm looking for a job, yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Any leads on any? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm working with a temp agency 

right now, and they are trying to hunt me up a position. 

Nothing yet. 

MR. WESTFALL: What kind of a position? 

VENIRE PERSON: Clerical, secretarial. 

MR. WESTFALL: What do you like about that? 

VENIRE PERSON: People around the office, lots 

of customer contact. Helping people. I like to do that 

kind of stuff. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you involved with a church? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

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MR. WESTFALL: Which one? 

VENIRE PERSON: New Mount Zion Baptist in 

Dallas. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you do any like volunteer work 

with the church? 

VENIRE PERSON: It depends, you know. Just 

helping out, doing Thanksgiving holidays, things like 

that. Sometimes I have had a chance to do the Meals on 

Wheels, things like that around the community. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you enjoy doing that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I enjoy doing that, yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you work with any charities at 

all? 

VENIRE PERSON: I do. Mothers -- I guess it's 

MADD is what I'm trying to do. 

MR. WESTFALL: Mothers Against Drunk Drivers? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: What did you do for them? 

VENIRE PERSON: Donations around the 

neighborhood or something like that. I will help them 

that way. Organizing things at school for the kids. 

Nothing real big. 

MR. WESTFALL: What caused you to gravitate 

towards Mothers Against Drunk Drivers? 

VENIRE PERSON: Having teenagers in the house on 

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a Friday night and that fear of having them go out and be 

in an accident. 

MR. WESTFALL: So you haven't suffered a 

personal loss? 

VENIRE PERSON: Myself, I have not. But seeing 

others that have, I feel like that's something -- We 

really need to drive that home to our kids that they need 

to be responsible behind the wheel. 

MR. WESTFALL: This trial may last four months. 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you okay? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have no problems with that. 

MR. WESTFALL: No hardships, problems with that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm in the middle right now of 

getting my daughter ready for a marriage next month, but 

other than that I have no concerns about the time limit. 

MR. WESTFALL: Okay. 

Do you have any questions or anything else you 

would like to say that I haven't asked you? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I don't think so. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you so much. 

VENIRE PERSON: Thank you. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions for Ms. Sanders? 

MR. JACKS: Thank you, your Honor. Good 

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morning, Ms. Sanders. 

VENIRE PERSON: Good morning. 

MR. JACKS: I appreciate your being here 

yesterday and again today. We appreciate your patience 

with us. 

VENIRE PERSON: No problem. 

MR. JACKS: My name is Jim Jacks. I'm an 

Assistant United States Attorney in the Northern District 

of Texas. I will be one of the prosecutors representing 

the government during this trial. I just have a few 

questions to follow-up on as well. 

What are some of the places that you have worked 

with companies or offices that you have worked in the last 

few years? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I was employed with what was 

formerly Bank One which is now Chase from 1989 up until 

about 2001. 

MR. JACKS: Did you work in a bank location or 

like a corporate office? 

VENIRE PERSON: Kind of both. I have worked 

here in the downtown area, and then I have worked out 

in -- I have worked at the Oak Lawn office. I have worked 

at the office -- Industrial, down there by Saint Paul. 

MR. JACKS: How many years did you work for Bank 

One, slash Chase slash J.P. Morgan? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Thirteen years. 

MR. JACKS: And before that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Before that, I worked for GE 

Capital doing customer service for them. I worked for 

them a couple of years. I'm not sure who else. 

MR. JACKS: That's fine. Your husband on one of 

the lists we have you indicated he was a phone technician? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, he works for AT&T. 

MR. JACKS: How long has he worked for them? 

VENIRE PERSON: He just celebrated his 35th 

anniversary. 

MR. JACKS: What is meant by phone technician? 

VENIRE PERSON: He works primarily with 

commercial customers when their phones go down. Now, he 

can sit at a desk and communicate back and forth with them 

and fix whatever problems that they are having. So he's 

mostly in the office all the time. 

MR. JACKS: And you and your husband, did you 

all grow up in the Dallas area? 

VENIRE PERSON: I did. My husband is from a 

small town in East Texas, Sulfur Springs. But I grew up 

in the Dallas area. 

MR. JACKS: I notice you have college credits. 

Where did you attend college? 

VENIRE PERSON: I started here at El Centro, and 

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I transferred out to Richland, and that was my early 

years. We had just gotten married, and I had a child on 

the way and didn't finish college. Had to go to work.

MR. JACKS: Yes, ma'am. You have two children, 

a daughter twenty-one and a son thirty-one? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: And I think you told us that your 

son is currently serving time for a drug conviction. 

MR. JACKS: Yes, sir. He had a small amount -- 

I guess under two ounces or ounce or something of a 

controlled substance, and they didn't say what the 

substance was. So he had some probation time that he had 

to finish serving. So he's been serving his probation 

time for about a year.

MR. JACKS: So he's not incarcerated? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, he is incarcerated now. 

So he should have been getting out before the year is out, 

is what I understand.

MR. JACKS: Did he plead guilty or have a trial? 

VENIRE PERSON: I guess he pled guilty. He 

didn't have a trial or anything. 

MR. JACKS: Did you and your husband have to 

hire an attorney? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, we did. 

MR. JACKS: Did you have to go to court? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes, we did. 

MR. JACKS: Regarding that experience, do you 

feel like he was treated fairly or appropriately by the 

criminal justice system? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I do. 

MR. JACKS: He's thirty-one. Does he have his 

own family or is he single? 

VENIRE PERSON: He's single. 

MR. JACKS: Is your daughter at home or in 

school? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. She went to school for 

Mercedes Benz United Technical Institute to learn how to 

work mechanics, and she had a position out in California 

for a short time working for the Mercedes Benz, but now 

she's back in the Dallas area, and she's waiting for 

something to come open with them, and she will go back to 

work with them. 

MR. JACKS: You said you were a member of New 

Mount Zion church? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. JACKS: How big is that church in terms of 

families or members? 

VENIRE PERSON: I would say we have about 

twenty-five hundred, three thousand members. 

MR. JACKS: Are you a regular attendee? Do you 

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go every Sunday? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I do. 

MR. JACKS: Do you have any special -- Are you 

in the choir or do you hold an office? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't hold an office at this 

time. I was a regular choir member a few years. However, 

I had a couple of illnesses that came up that kept me from 

that, but being in the choir was my thing. 

MR. JACKS: You have been on a trial jury before 

in a criminal case, correct? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I have. 

MR. JACKS: If you recall in that case, at the 

end of the evidence after both sides have put in their 

evidence and either before or after, depending on the 

court it was in, the judge will read instructions to the 

jury and tell them what the law is. Do you recall that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: That will happen in this case as 

well. And as has been stated to you, the central or lead 

charge in this case that is referred to is providing -- 

this corporation or this association and people that work 

for it are accused of providing material support to a 

foreign terrorist organization; namely, HAMAS. Have you 

ever heard of HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have heard of HAMAS on the 

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news. 

MR. JACKS: At the end when the Judge gives you 

his instructions, I expect those instructions will contain 

among other things a statement that the organization HAMAS 

has been designated by the United States Government as a 

foreign terrorist organization. I also expect the judge 

to include in his instructions a statement to the effect 

of the law provides that you can't give anything that 

would be to or for the benefit of a foreign terrorist 

organization, even things that would otherwise be 

considered charitable items, like food clothing, medical 

supplies. If it's intended to benefit that foreign 

terrorist organization, even so called good things like 

that, it's against the law to do that. Would you be able 

to follow the instruction and follow the law if that was 

the law given to you? 

VENIRE PERSON: Definitely. 

MR. JACKS: Thank you, Ms. Sanders. 

THE COURT: Ms. Sanders, we're in the process of 

talking with the members of the panel from which the 

members of the jury will be selected to hear this case, 

and I expect that process to go on for a while longer 

today. Until you hear from us again, you should not 

discuss this case with anyone or allow anyone to discuss 

it with you, and if there are any media accounts about the 

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case on the television or in the newspapers or radio, you 

should not read or watch or listen to any of those media 

accounts. 

Thank you, ma'am. You may be excused. 

Good morning, Mr. McGahan. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions they would like to ask you. 

MR. WESTFALL: Good morning. I'm Greg Westfall. 

I'm one of defense lawyers on this case. Thank you for 

coming here. You probably came here yesterday, too. 

Thank you so much for your time and your patience. This 

case is the United States versus the Holy Land Foundation. 

Have you ever heard of that case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just a few times. 

MR. WESTFALL: What have you heard? 

VENIRE PERSON: I can remember after 9-11, you 

know, just a little bit of the news. The only thing I 

remember it saying is that they were accused of sending 

money over. That's about really all I knew about it. 

MR. WESTFALL: What the accusation or charge is 

is material support of a foreign terrorist organization, 

specifically HAMAS. And it was an American Muslim charity 

based in Richardson and the allegation is material support 

to HAMAS. What do you know about HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just hearing the name just every 

now and then in the news. 

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MR. WESTFALL: Is there anything about what you 

have heard in the news -- Have you made up your mind as to 

opinions as to the guilt or innocence of the defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: I really couldn't. 

MR. WESTFALL: Haven't heard quite enough? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: This case could run four months. 

So needless to say, there is a whole lot more out there 

that wasn't in the newspapers. 

VENIRE PERSON: All right.

MR. WESTFALL: Where are you a delivery driver? 

Is that what you still do? 

VENIRE PERSON: I drive for United Parcel 

Service. 

MR. WESTFALL: Oh, UPS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you ever deliver to the Holy 

Land Foundation? Was that in your route? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I never delivered in 

Richardson. The closest I would have gotten is the west 

edge of Garland. 

MR. WESTFALL: How long have you been with UPS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Twenty-three years. 

MR. WESTFALL: So early eighties? 

VENIRE PERSON: 1983 was the first Christmas I 

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worked. 

MR. WESTFALL: I guess you like it. 

VENIRE PERSON: Got to eat. 

MR. WESTFALL: There can be a distinction 

between liking a job and got to eat. 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I do enjoy it. 

Play poker. I like visiting my kids, my girls. 

I have three daughters. My granddaughter, I love seeing 

her. Just mostly family stuff and things like that. 

MR. WESTFALL: You like to hunt and fish or do 

anything like that regularly? 

VENIRE PERSON: I ride a Harley. 

MR. WESTFALL: What kind? 

VENIRE PERSON: Soft Tail Night Train. 

MR. WESTFALL: Excellent. Do you do that on the 

weekends or any chance -- 

VENIRE PERSON: Any chance, yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: This case involves Muslim men who 

were charged with giving material support, accused of 

giving material support to a terrorist organization. Now, 

you mentioned 9-11. And that had a deep impact on all of 

us in the United States, and I remember where I was when 

the Towers went down. 

VENIRE PERSON: I do, too. 

MR. WESTFALL: But here we are. This is a 

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criminal case, and everyone is supposed to have the 

presumption of innocence and the burden of proof being 

beyond a reasonable doubt. The government has to prove 

those allegations or else the presumption of innocence 

alone is sufficient to acquit. Those are the same kind of 

protections that we would have in a car theft case, a drug 

possession case and in this case material support of 

terrorism. How do you feel about that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I feel like we have it pretty 

good, probably better than anything else, and I feel okay 

with it. 

MR. WESTFALL: You think that's fair? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Why do you suppose we have those 

protections? 

VENIRE PERSON: Absolutely for fairness, I 

imagine. To make sure that it's fair for everybody. 

MR. WESTFALL: It's a very emotional subject for 

virtually anyone in the United States, me included. 

Everyone was touched by that. 

VENIRE PERSON: Right.

MR. WESTFALL: Have you kept up at all with the 

Palestinian-Israeli conflict? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm not a big paper reader or 

anything like that, and I don't have the internet. So if 

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I don't hear it on talk radio, I don't know anything about 

it. 

MR. WESTFALL: What kind of radio do you listen 

to? 

VENIRE PERSON: KABP and KRLD. 

MR. WESTFALL: There is a wide range on both of 

those stations. Which do you like? 

VENIRE PERSON: I listen to the news in the 

morning. I don't hardly ever listen to the talk shows. 

In the afternoon, I listen to country music when I'm going 

home. The talk shows, I have listened to them, and the 

left talks about the right, and the right talks about the 

left, and that's all I get out of it. 

MR. WESTFALL: You don't like to get into all of 

that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Right. 

MR. WESTFALL: And if it comes between spending 

your time with your daughter or learning about the 

Palestinian-Israeli conflict, you would probably make the 

choice I did.

VENIRE PERSON: I would be at my daughter's 

house with my grandkid. 

MR. WESTFALL: You checked that noncitizens 

should not be afforded the same rights as citizens. 

VENIRE PERSON: I checked that? 

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MR. WESTFALL: So I'm gathering you didn't check 

it on purpose. 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't remember checking that. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you have any -- We're talking 

legal resident aliens. 

VENIRE PERSON: I must have thought it said 

illegal. No, I don't. 

MR. WESTFALL: Very well. You have been here 

two days now. Is there anything I haven't asked you? 

Anything coming up in your life that we don't know about? 

This is a four month long trial. 

VENIRE PERSON: No. You know -- I don't 

remember if I called and changed this or not, but it asked 

something on there about have you been arrested for 

something you could get a year in jail for. I might have 

checked yes, but it's no. I have a pending DWI. 

MR. WESTFALL: Unless it's a felony DWI 3rd, you 

can't get more than a year in jail. 

VENIRE PERSON: And I didn't know what the 

correct answer would be. So I put the worst to make sure 

I wasn't going the wrong way. 

MR. WESTFALL: Very well. Thank you for 

speaking with me, and that's not going to be a problem. 

VENIRE PERSON: All right. 

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questions for Mr. McGahan? 

MR. GARRETT: Yes, your Honor. 

Good morning, Mr. McGahan. My name is Nathan 

Garrett, and I'm an Assistant United States Attorney with 

the United States Attorney's Office. I will be one of the 

prosecutors over here representing the United States, and 

I thank you for your patience. We're not very quick about 

this. I notice -- I think Mr. Westfall asked you, you 

have three daughters. Is that right? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: And you still came out of that 

with a Harley Davidson? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I just got it. 

MR. GARRETT: So you were patient about it? 

VENIRE PERSON: Right. I waited. 

MR. GARRETT: You said a Night Train, right? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: You like the new bikes or old 

bikes best? 

VENIRE PERSON: I like the new balanced one. 

MR. GARRETT: The Fly Wheels? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. GARRETT: You were with UPS twenty-three 

years? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

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MR. GARRETT: I can't do the math that quickly. 

What did you do before UPS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Only had six years from high 

school. Actually went to Texas Instruments for three 

months. I couldn't afford to work there, and then I went 

to a place called Gardner Denver which was based here in 

Dallas, and they made oil well and water well rigs, and I 

was there five years, and you know what happened to the 

oil business, and that was the end of that, and there was 

a couple of years I worked little jobs, and when I had a 

chance to get on with UPS, I did that. 

MR. GARRETT: Have you always been here? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have always been a delivery 

driver starting from Mesquite, Texas going east. 

MR. GARRETT: And looks like on your 

questionnaire, you have lived in this area your whole 

life. 

VENIRE PERSON: Born on Ross Avenue in Dallas. 

MR. GARRETT: So all in Dallas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Dallas and east because I lived 

in Kaufman County. 

MR. GARRETT: Okay. Moved to the country? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Now, on your prior jury service -- 

Have you had any prior jury service? 

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VENIRE PERSON: I just served on a jury in 

Kaufman County. 

MR. GARRETT: Was that a civil case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Civil case. 

MR. GARRETT: Kaufman County? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Have you ever been called down 

other than that time where you served in a jury pool like 

you are right now? 

VENIRE PERSON: Kaufman either three or four 

times in the last six years. 

MR. GARRETT: Anything in Dallas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Never in Dallas. 

MR. GARRETT: Is this your first experience 

coming down to federal court? 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, yes. 

MR. GARRETT: You mentioned a couple of things, 

on prior involvement with the law. You mentioned with Mr. 

Westfall that you had a pending DUI right now? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Is that in Kaufman or --

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Is that pending in the courts 

right now? 

VENIRE PERSON: It's due to come up for a jury 

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trial August the 6th, is the last date I have heard that 

was set. 

MR. GARRETT: Is there anything about that -- 

And I'm sorry to pry about that. Awful nosey. But is 

there anything about that that would give you some 

problems sitting fairly and impartially in this case and 

being fair to the government and defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. Every situation you run 

across, there is going to be differences. 

MR. GARRETT: Also, I saw where you mentioned 

that your girlfriend had an incident sometime ago, an 

arson-related situation? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Was that something that ended up 

going to trial or how was it disposed of? 

VENIRE PERSON: She pled to get probation. 

THE DEFENDANT: Was that here in Dallas or -- 

VENIRE PERSON: Kaufman. 

MR. GARRETT: How long ago was that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Two and a half, three years ago. 

MR. GARRETT: Is there anything about that that 

would give you a problem in this case? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, that was something she 

handled on her own. I wasn't involved in any of it. 

MR. GARRETT: But from what you observed, do you 

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believe she was treated fairly? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Now, when you were serving on this 

jury --

VENIRE PERSON: Well, let me clarify. I was the 

second alternate. I sat and listened, and then I had to 

go home. 

MR. GARRETT: Not all bad? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. GARRETT: At the end of this case, if you 

are selected to serve on jury, the Judge will issue you 

instructions, and the instructions will tell you what the 

law is, and you will take the facts and apply them to the 

law. As we mentioned to you, the central allegation in 

this case is these defendants knowingly provided material 

support to a terrorist organization, HAMAS. I can't 

remember if he asked you or not. Have you ever heard of 

HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just in the news. 

MR. GARRETT: And I expect those instructions 

will tell you that HAMAS is a foreign terrorist 

organization. And I think the Judge will also tell you 

that as a result of that designation one cannot knowingly 

send any support to that organization -- money, but also 

things that you might think of as humanitarian items, 

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clothing, blankets, medical supplies, any of those sorts 

of things -- if it's to or for the benefit of a terrorist 

organization. Do you understand that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Is that an instruction you would 

have a problem following? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. GARRETT: Thank you for your time and 

patience. 

THE COURT: Mr. McGahan, we are in the process 

of talking with the members of the pool from which the 

jury will be selected that would hear this case. I expect 

that process will continue for a while longer today. So 

until you hear from us, you should not discuss the case 

with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with you. 

And if there are any media accounts about the 

case on the television or in the newspapers or on the 

radio, you should not read or watch or listen to any of 

those media accounts. Thank you, sir. You may be 

excused. 

Good morning, Ms. Hilton. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions they would like to ask you. 

Ms. Moreno. 

MS. MORENO: Good morning, my name is Linda 

Moreno. I'm one of the defense attorneys in this case. I 

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am going to ask you some questions just for a few minutes 

about some of the answers that you filled out on your 

questionnaire and also if you have heard anything about 

this case. This case involves an American Muslim charity 

called the Holy Land Foundation. Have you heard of the 

Holy Land Foundation? 

VENIRE PERSON: Heard of it. 

MS. MORENO: In the press? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes.

MS. MORENO: And where did you hear it? 

VENIRE PERSON: In the press, the media.

MS. MORENO: Do you recall what you heard about 

it? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not really.

MS. MORENO: Was that recently? Some years back 

or when? 

VENIRE PERSON: I saw an article in the 

newspapers on Tuesday. 

MS. MORENO: Did you read the article? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. MORENO: I'm sure you read in the article 

that this case involves allegations of material support of 

terrorism. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. MORENO: So let me ask you right off the 

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bat. Knowing this case is going to be a trial regarding 

allegations of support of terrorism, how do you feel about 

sitting on a case like that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't really believe I would 

be comfortable with it. 

MS. MORENO: Now, we're here to explore those 

feelings that all of these jurors may or may not have 

because everybody in this courtroom -- his Honor and the 

defense, the government -- wants jurors who could be fair. 

So I'm asking you, do you have any opinions that you 

believe would prevent you from being fair and impartial? 

VENIRE PERSON: I really -- I'm not sure. 

MS. MORENO: Okay. 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm afraid after 9-1 -- As leery 

as a lot of Americans are. 

MS. MORENO: Yes, ma'am. I can appreciate that, 

and that leeriness that you have is something we need to 

know a little bit about to determine if you could be fair 

in this case. What we need are jurors who can be fair and 

jurors who are not concerned. So forgive me for pushing 

and exploring. I know it's a bit of an invasion of 

privacy, but as I said, there are no right or wrong 

answers here, and we need to hear from you what your 

feelings are in this regard. 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't feel it's an invasion. 

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I feel like my father and others who have died for my 

right to be able to sit here deserve the pushing you have 

to do to be sure that you come up with a jury that will be 

fair. 

MS. MORENO: Do you think, Ms. Hilton, that you 

could sit on a jury in this case and be fair? 

VENIRE PERSON: I am not at all sure that I 

could be completely fair in a terrorism case, no. 

MS. MORENO: Do you understand that even though 

it's a terrorism case it's still a criminal case under the 

laws of America and the jurors have to be fair when they 

come in? 

VENIRE PERSON: They are innocent until proven 

guilty. I'm afraid my own feelings of terrorism would 

color my hearing. I don't know how to say it better. 

MS. MORENO: If I can help you just a little 

bit. I think what I hear you saying is that given your 

feelings, that you couldn't put those feelings aside and 

give these gentlemen one hundred percent the presumption 

of innocence to which they are required? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't know that I could. 

MS. MORENO: And it seems to me that is a hard 

felt opinion. Am I right about that? 

VENIRE PERSON: As I said, I have family that 

have died or been hurt -- as I'm sure most of you have -- 

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for the rights I am entitled to today for their suffering. 

So yes, I feel strongly about their right to a fair trial, 

but I think I feel so strongly about terrorism that I'm 

not sure I could do it, and I don't think I would want 

somebody like me judging me, not in this instance. 

MS. MORENO: It's been a privilege to talk to 

you. Thank you so much. Pass the witness. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions for Ms. Hilton. 

MS. SHAPIRO: No, your Honor. 

THE COURT: Ms. Hilton, we are in the process of 

talking to the members of the pool from which the jury 

will be selected that would hear this case. That process 

will go on for a while longer today, and so until you hear 

from us again, you should not discuss the subject of this 

trial with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with you. 

And if there are any media accounts about the case in the 

newspapers or on the television or radio, you should not 

read or watch or listen to those accounts. 

VENIRE PERSON: I do have a question if I may. 

My personal situation has changed since I came down on the 

27th with the first call. My husband will be eighty in 

September. He does have some dementia. He saw the doctor 

the morning I came down, and I normally go with him to 

doctor's appointments. I went and spoke to Dr. Pat, and a 

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couple of days after that he says my husband should not be 

allowed to remain unattended for very long at a time, he 

should not be on his own too much, and I really feel like 

my situation has changed such that I am a care giver to a 

dependent senior. 

THE COURT: Thank you, Ms. Hilton. I think all 

of us appreciate your taking the time to be down here 

today given the other demands from your husband's 

situation. 

MS. MORENO: Your Honor, on behalf of the 

defense we would move for a cause challenge against Ms. 

Hilton. She could not be fair and impartial. 

THE COURT: Any objection, Ms. Shapiro?

MS. SHAPIRO: No objection. 

THE COURT: I will excuse Ms. Hilton for cause. 

Good morning, Mr. Matthews. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions for you.

MR. WESTFALL: Mr. Matthews, good morning. I'm 

Greg Westfall. How you doing? 

VENIRE PERSON: All right. 

MR. WESTFALL: I'm one of the defense lawyers in 

this case. Thank you for coming up here. I know you 

probably had to sit here all day yesterday. Thank you for 

that, and this is your last day of sitting and waiting. 

This case is the Holy Land Foundation case, 

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United States versus Holy Land Foundation. Does that ring 

a bell? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Tell me what you have heard. 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't know much. Looking 

through the news I have heard of it. Don't know any 

details or anything. 

MR. WESTFALL: Well, it is a case that involves 

an American Muslim charity. Used to be in Richardson, 

Texas. And the government is alleging the charity and 

some of the men involved with the charity gave material 

support to HAMAS. You have heard of HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: The actual title is material 

support to a foreign terrorist organization. Having heard 

that and what you have heard on the news, have you formed 

an opinion to the guilt or innocence of the defendants or 

anyone else? 

VENIRE PERSON: Honestly I won't even buy gas if 

they are behind the counter. I go to the next gas station 

or whatever. 

MR. WESTFALL: In a criminal jury and in a civil 

jury, too, which is what we're talking about here, a 

person who's on the jury has to be able to clear their 

mind of all experiences and be able to judge just based 

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upon the evidence and the facts in court. I mean every 

jury is as different as every case is. It sounds like in 

this case because of the terrorism issue and because of 

the Muslim issue you would have trouble doing that. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: So you are telling us you could 

not set that aside and fairly judge the case on the facts? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions for Mr. Matthews? 

MS. SHAPIRO: No, your Honor. 

THE COURT: Mr. Matthews, we are in the process 

of talking with the members of the pool from which the 

jury in this case will be selected. I expect that process 

will continue later on today. In the meantime, until you 

hear from us further, you should not discuss the subject 

of this case with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it 

with you. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

THE COURT: And if there are any media accounts 

about this case on the television or in the newspapers or 

on the radio, you should not read or watch or listen to 

any of those media accounts. 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

THE COURT: Thank you, you may be excused.

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MR. WESTFALL: Your Honor, the defense will 

submit Mr. Matthews for his inability to be fair and 

impartial because of the Muslim issue, that he cannot set 

it aside. 

THE COURT: Any objections? 

MS. SHAPIRO: No, your Honor. 

THE COURT: I will excuse Mr. Matthews for 

cause. 

Good morning, Mr. Erbert. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions for you. 

MR. WESTFALL: Mr. Erbert, I'm Greg Westfall. 

I'm one of the defense lawyers in this case. Thank you 

for the time you spent waiting to talk to us. You 

answered Question Number 40 on the questionnaire that said 

you had travel plans on July 26 and 29 that you will not 

cancel. 

VENIRE PERSON: I would rather not. I'll lose 

the money. It's paid for. 

MR. WESTFALL: Tell us a little bit about it. 

How long have you had the tickets? Where are you going? 

VENIRE PERSON: Going to Vegas to see friends we 

haven't seen in twenty years, and we made the plans in 

February and we fly out Sunday.

MR. WESTFALL: You should have received a 

questionnaire about hardship. 

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VENIRE PERSON: I did put it on there. 

MR. WESTFALL: So you submitted early and 

submitted often? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. And that's really my 

only issue is that Thursday. I don't know if court is in 

session on that Friday.

MR. WESTFALL: So that's like a Thursday, 

Friday, Saturday, Sunday? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: We will let the Court decide 

that. This case is about the United States versus the 

Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. Does 

that ring any bells? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just on the questionnaire. I 

think they mentioned that in there, but that was it. 

MR. WESTFALL: It was an American Muslim charity 

that is charged with giving material support to HAMAS 

which is a foreign terrorist organization. Having heard 

that, does that ring any bells? Have you heard about it 

in the media? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think Tuesday while getting 

ready for work they said the trial was about to begin, but 

that was all that was said. 

MR. WESTFALL: Well, from any source, whether it 

be TV or conversations with anyone, have you formed any 

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opinions as to the guilt or innocence of anyone? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you say you follow the 

Palestinian-Israeli conflict? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not really follow it. I have 

heard about it on the news. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you have any sense about who's 

right or wrong? 

VENIRE PERSON: Honestly, if it doesn't affect 

me immediately, I can't pay too much attention. 

MR. WESTFALL: You were in the Navy? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Were you a SEAL? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: I saw all the places you have 

been. Sierra Leone? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, it was mostly volunteering 

reserve to go all of these places. 

MR. WESTFALL: What did you do? 

VENIRE PERSON: Supply. And Sierra Leone was 

helping to get the refugees to Monrovia. 

MR. WESTFALL: And Bahrain? 

VENIRE PERSON: Supply. 

MR. WESTFALL: Were you working with refugees 

there? 

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VENIRE PERSON: No. 1992 -- I forget when it 

was. Just helping get the compound ready. 

MR. WESTFALL: What kind of compound? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just supply. 

MR. WESTFALL: How many missions have you done 

where you actually helped refugees? 

VENIRE PERSON: One. It was an eye opener, the 

conditions over there. 

MR. WESTFALL: Tell me more. 

VENIRE PERSON: Third world country, the 

poverty. The first couple of weeks was really stressful 

but really enjoyed it. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you feel like you were 

helping the people? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Were you able to communicate? 

Did you use translators? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, we had a local who assisted 

us with everything, and he would take us sightseeing and 

explain the sites and explain the culture. But after a 

couple of weeks, the heat and bugs. I really enjoyed it. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you see any other relief 

agencies working in there? 

VENIRE PERSON: If I did, it would have been 

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never dealt with them directly. 

MR. WESTFALL: You never felt any call to go 

work with relief? 

VENIRE PERSON: After that I wouldn't have 

minded going back, but then the wife has concerns, not 

wanting to do all of that anymore. 

MR. WESTFALL: She didn't like sleeping under 

mosquito nets? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, me being gone. 

MR. WESTFALL: So there was no issue with her 

going with you? 

VENIRE PERSON: That might be an issue. 

MR. WESTFALL: Where are you an IT manager? 

VENIRE PERSON: I work for a computer contractor 

out of Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth. 

MR. WESTFALL: You work in Fort Worth. Quite a 

drive? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: On the side where you need a 

security clearance? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: And do you have an active 

security clearance right now? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I do. 

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involving Muslim men who were accused of giving material 

support to a terrorist organization. You have heard of 

HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about being on a 

jury like that. Do you have any issues? If you were in 

their place, would you want you on the jury? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think probably some former 

military might have an opinion towards certain issues, but 

honestly, like I said, I haven't followed it so I don't 

know all the details. 

MR. WESTFALL: Well, might form an opinion on 

certain issues. Well, in a criminal case you have to make 

a decision just based on the evidence in court, one 

hundred percent. And everyone has opinions. The test is 

can you set those opinions aside and judge the evidence 

only. That's the only way anyone gets a fair trial. 

That's the way we keep people from going to prison. So 

you are the only one that can answer it. I'm not sure of 

the issue you were talking about, but if there is an 

issue, can you set that aside and judge this case fairly 

on the facts? 

VENIRE PERSON: I believe so. 

MR. WESTFALL: What is the issue? You said 

military issues. 

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VENIRE PERSON: Just -- I guess military minded 

you are so against terrorism and all of that and to get 

out of that frame of mind and listen to the evidence 

instead of being told these are bad people. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you still in the military? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Why did you join the military? 

VENIRE PERSON: I was seventeen and a half, 

needed direction. And then after about ten years, I felt 

I had that direction and also got married. 

MR. WESTFALL: It seems like regardless how old 

we are when we join we get this sense that we're doing a 

very good thing if we're in the military. Did you have 

that sense? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, not at first. Being in 

supplies, how am I helping out, and that's when I 

volunteered to go to other places. I'm sorry. 

I did state something wrong. The refugees, the 

Haitian refugees. 

THE COURT: Mr. Westfall, your time has expired.

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you. 

THE COURT: Mr. Jonas, do you have questions for 

Mr. Erbert? 

MR. JONAS: Yes. My name is Barry Jonas, and I 

have a few questions to follow-up. I want to thank for 

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your patience yesterday. Very frustrating waiting outside 

the door and not knowing what was going on. You lived in 

Canada. How did that come about? 

VENIRE PERSON: My parents sitting around the 

table and there was a discussion and talking about 

Montana, and somebody said why don't we move to Canada. I 

think there was some alcohol involved. 

MR. JONAS: How was that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Big climate change and I really 

enjoyed it, but since I have been back since 1989 I'm 

enjoying it. 

MR. JONAS: Enjoying the weather? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not the heat, no. I enjoy the 

winters. 

MR. JONAS: If there was no court on Friday, 

would you be able to change your flight to later in the 

day on Thursday? 

VENIRE PERSON: Probably could, yes. Again, 

it's next Thursday. So I don't know if it would be 

possible, but I'm sure we could. 

MR. JONAS: You mentioned that you have heard of 

HAMAS. What do you know about them? 

VENIRE PERSON: Supposedly they are a terrorist 

organization. I don't know if they took over the 

government or something. I don't know the whole story. 

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That's all I really know. 

MR. JONAS: Well, this case involves -- The 

allegations are the Holy Land Foundation and some of the 

men who ran it supplied money and other items to HAMAS. 

And we expect at the end of the evidence the Judge is 

going to charge the jury that HAMAS is a terrorist 

organization designated by the U.S. government. And 

giving anything to HAMAS is illegal, regardless of what it 

is. So if HAMAS uses that money for schools and other 

good things, if you found the defendants gave money for 

HAMAS, even if that money was for a good thing, would you 

be able to follow that instruction and find them guilty? 

VENIRE PERSON: If knowingly done, yes.

MR. JONAS: Thank you, your Honor. 

THE COURT: Mr. Erbert, we're in the process of 

talking with the members of the pool from which the jury 

will be selected that would hear this case. I expect that 

process will continue for a while longer today. Until you 

hear from us further, you should not discuss this case 

with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with you, and if 

there are any media accounts about this case on the 

television or in the newspapers or on radio, you should 

not read or watch or listen to any of those media 

accounts. Thank you, sir. You may be excused. 

Good morning, Ms. Moreno. Counsel for the 

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parties have some questions for you.

MR. WESTFALL: Mr. Moreno, how you doing. My 

name is Greg Westfall. I'm one of the defense lawyers in 

this case, and I want to talk to you a few minutes. 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thanks a lot for coming down and 

all the time you spent here waiting. 

VENIRE PERSON: No problem. 

MR. WESTFALL: This case is the Holy Land 

Foundation case, United States versus Holy Land 

Foundation. It involves an American Muslim charity that 

is accused of material support of a terrorist 

organization, specifically HAMAS. Does that ring any 

bells with you? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you read anything about it 

in the paper or anything? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: You just graduated with a degree 

in photography? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: You are still looking for a job? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: What are you looking for? 

VENIRE PERSON: A job with a photographer. More 

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commercial work, not really dealing with weddings. 

MR. WESTFALL: So product shots? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Why a degree in photography? 

VENIRE PERSON: In my high school you have to 

have an elective, and mine was photography. So I stuck to 

it throughout. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you carry equipment with you 

all the time in case you see a good shot? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have a little point and shoot 

camera with me. 

MR. WESTFALL: What kind of camera, Canon or 

Nikon? 

VENIRE PERSON: Nikon. My friends say I should 

switch. 

MR. WESTFALL: That's like Chevrolet and Ford, 

perennial argument. You also majored in business? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: The bachelor of science would 

have been the photography aspect? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: And what did you do in business, 

a lot of econ or something? 

VENIRE PERSON: It was a double major, both in 

photography and business administration. The main goal 

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that I wanted to have was to open my own studio. So I 

figured I needed some business background. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you know any Muslim people? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Let's open it up a little bit 

like Arabs. Have you had any experience with them? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: This is a case where Muslim men 

are accused of supporting HAMAS. Have you heard of HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you follow the 

Palestinian-Israeli conflict at all? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about being on a 

jury that has Muslim men and something about terrorism? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't really have any feelings 

either way. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about freedom of 

speech? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm for it. It's important that 

we have it so that we can express -- 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever followed any of 

Robert Maplethorp's work? 

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VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you aware of him? 

VENIRE PERSON: I am. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you think if someone wants to 

go buy a Robert Maplethorp book they should be able to? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: In this case, there will be 

evidence of statements highly critical of Israel and 

highly critical of the United States. Is that something 

you could hear and judge the case on the facts? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: That falls under freedom of 

speech? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: You are hesitating. Are you just 

digesting it? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm just thinking about the 

question. 

MR. WESTFALL: Are you involved in a church? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you grow up in a church? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Where did you grow up? 

VENIRE PERSON: I grew up in Pleasant Grove. I 

lived there all of my life. My parents, they were 

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Catholic, but we didn't really follow it, at least in my 

house.

MR. WESTFALL: So you haven't studied Islam or 

anything like that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't know. Nothing really 

comes to mind. Israel. 

MR. WESTFALL: Israel? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Islam is a religion you know.

VENIRE PERSON: (Witness nods)

MR. WESTFALL: Do you have any questions or 

anything you are wanting to tell the Court? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: You are okay with four months of 

service? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions of Ms. Moreno? 

MR. JACKS: Yes, your Honor. Thank you. 

Good morning, Ms. Moreno. My name is Jim Jacks. 

I'm an Assistant United States Attorney for the Northern 

District of Texas, and I will be one of the prosecutors 

representing the government during this trial. I also 

want to express my appreciation for your patience in 

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waiting for us. I have a few questions, if I may. You 

told us you were born and raised in Dallas. This is where 

you grew up? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: Where did you go to high school? 

VENIRE PERSON: Skyline High School. 

MR. JACKS: And your college degree, where did 

you receive your college degree from? 

VENIRE PERSON: I went to Eastfield Community 

College three years, and then I moved to Texas A & M in 

Commerce and finished there. 

MR. JACKS: Was that for a year or -- 

VENIRE PERSON: Two and a half years. 

MR. JACKS: Did you work while going through 

school? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, not at all. 

MR. JACKS: Right now, do you live at home or 

have your own place? 

VENIRE PERSON: I live at home. 

MR. JACKS: What does your father do? 

VENIRE PERSON: He works with computers, ACS. 

MR. JACKS: What does he do for them? 

VENIRE PERSON: They do like programs. I'm not 

even sure. Businesses -- What's that food chain? Burger 

King, Zales -- they hire them to run their computers for 

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programs and make sure everything runs properly. 

MR. JACKS: How about your mother? Does she 

work outside the home? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, 7-11. 

MR. JACKS: How long has she done that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Five years. Maybe six or seven. 

MR. JACKS: What part of town is her store in? 

VENIRE PERSON: She works at the corporation. 

It used to be at -- They moved it recently to first 

something. 

MR. JACKS: Was that at City Place? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, but then they moved. 

MR. JACKS: What does she do in the corporate 

office? 

VENIRE PERSON: She orders equipment. She works 

for like a division. So a group of states. So whenever 

they need to order equipment for the 7-11 stores, that's 

what she does. 

MR. JACKS: Like a purchasing department? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: Before she worked for Southland 

Corporation or whatever it's called, where did she work? 

VENIRE PERSON: At the Buckner Animal Clinic. 

It's right there by the house. She worked there while I 

was in middle school. Close by. 

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MR. JACKS: How many brothers and sisters do you 

have? 

VENIRE PERSON: I only have one brother, older. 

MR. JACKS: Is he still in Dallas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: What does he do for a living? 

VENIRE PERSON: He works for Chase. Does 

something with making credit cards. 

MR. JACKS: I take it this is your first time 

ever to be summoned for jury duty? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not my first time but the first 

time here. 

MR. JACKS: Was the previous summons at the 

Frank Crowley Courthouse? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: From your questionnaire, it looks 

like you actually didn't end up on the jury. 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. JACKS: Was that a criminal case that you 

were summoned for? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think it was a civil case. 

MR. JACKS: Somebody suing somebody else? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: Do you follow the news very much? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

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MR. JACKS: Do you read the newspapers on a 

regular basis? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. JACKS: Do you get the news off the internet 

ever? 

VENIRE PERSON: Sometimes. 

MR. JACKS: Your job search, how long has that 

been going on? 

VENIRE PERSON: Probably three months. 

MR. JACKS: In your photography, is a lot of 

that changing now with digital photography? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, what they taught us in 

school, it was pretty much digital. But I know the 

program that I just got finished with, the whole school is 

changing to digital. 

MR. JACKS: You work with Photo Shop? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: As was explained to you, the lead 

charge or principal charge is that the Holy Land 

Foundation and these men that work for that foundation are 

accused of providing material support to a foreign 

terrorist organization, specifically HAMAS. At the end of 

the case when the parties have presented all the evidence 

and witnesses that they want to present, at that time the 

Judge will instruct the jury on what the law is that 

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applies to the case, and he will read the instructions, 

and you will have a copy when you deliberate. I expect in 

his instructions the Judge will tell you what the 

government has to prove to prove a person guilty of this 

charge, and I expect included in those instructions will 

be a statement or instruction that HAMAS has been 

designated by the U.S. government as a foreign terrorist 

organization. I also expect he would have an instruction 

in there that will say under the law in the United States 

you cannot give anything to or for the benefit of a 

foreign terrorist organization, and that includes even so 

called charitable things -- books or medical supplies, 

food, clothing, that type of thing. To give that is also 

a violation of the law. Do you have any disagreement with 

that part of the law? And if you do -- Let me ask you, do 

you have any disagreement with that part of the law? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I guess, no. 

MR. JACKS: I mean, I understand this is the 

first time this question has ever been asked you, but is 

there any question or hesitancy on your part? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I guess if it's the law 

then --

MR. JACKS: Would you be able to follow that 

instruction if the Judge gave you that instruction? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

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MR. JACKS: Thank you, Ms. Moreno. 

THE COURT: Ms. Moreno, we are in the process of 

talking to the members of the pool from which the jury 

that would hear this case will be selected. I suspect we 

will be doing that until later today, and until you hear 

from us, you should not discuss the case with anyone or 

allow anyone to discuss it with you. And if there are any 

media accounts of the case in the newspapers or on the 

television or radio, you should not read or watch or 

listen to any such accounts. You may be excused. Thank 

you.

VENIRE PERSON: Thank you.

(Recess)

THE COURT: Good morning, Ms. Hernandez. 

Counsel for the parties have some questions they would 

like to ask you. 

MS. MORENO: Good morning, Ms. Hernandez. My 

name is Linda Moreno. I'm one of the defense attorneys in 

this case, and I want to ask you some questions about the 

answers you wrote in your questionnaire a few weeks ago. 

Okay? But one of the things I see right away is that you 

are in the National Guard. 

VENIRE PERSON: I used to be. 

MS. MORENO: No longer. Let me ask you this 

before we get into other issues. This is a trial that 

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will last approximately four months. Knowing that, is 

that going to cause you any kind of economic hardship, 

impact your life in any negative way? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. MORENO: What do you do now? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm an appraiser through the 

Dallas County Central Appraisal District. 

MS. MORENO: What do you appraise? 

VENIRE PERSON: It's going to be residential -- 

condos, houses. 

MS. MORENO: And how long have you been doing 

that? 

VENIRE PERSON: About three months. 

MS. MORENO: What did you do before that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Dallas County Tax Office at 

Customer Service. 

MS. MORENO: How long did you do that? 

VENIRE PERSON: About nine months. 

MS. MORENO: And before that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I worked at Dillards. 

MS. MORENO: This is a case involving the Holy 

Land Foundation. And the Holy Land Foundation was an 

American Muslim charity. Have you heard anything about 

the Holy Land Foundation in the press or on TV? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

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MS. MORENO: Haven't read anything about it? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. MORENO: The case of the Holy Land 

Foundation involves, the government claims, charges of 

material support of terrorism. The government alleges 

that the charity sent humanitarian aid and that this 

humanitarian aid was in the form of food, medicine, books, 

diapers for children and that this humanitarian aid was 

sent around the world but primarily to the Occupied 

Territories in the West Bank and Gaza. Okay? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. MORENO: But the government further says 

this aid somehow benefited a foreign terrorist 

organization called HAMAS. Have you ever heard of HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not really. Unless someone told 

me something about what's going on in the news right now. 

MS. MORENO: Sometimes this is referred to as 

the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Have you followed that 

conflict at all? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. MORENO: Did you have any opinions about 

what's going on in the Middle East, primarily in the 

Occupied Territories? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I don't really get in 

politics. 

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MS. MORENO: You have to speak up a little bit 

so that I can hear you. 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't really look at politics, 

the Palestinians or Holy Land. I don't know. 

MS. MORENO: Don't have any opinions on that? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. MORENO: You were in the National Guard? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. MORENO: How long? 

VENIRE PERSON: About three years as a reserve, 

but I didn't finish my training. 

MS. MORENO: So you never were deployed? 

VENIRE PERSON: Right. I never even went to 

that two weeks in the summer. Just weekends. 

MS. MORENO: In your questionnaire, there was a 

question asked about giving the same considerations and 

Constitutional protection to citizens and noncitizens. 

That was a question. And you were asked whether you could 

do that, and you indicated I believe that you could not do 

that. Can you tell me a little bit about why you said 

that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just the whole issue. You know 

even me a minority. Having different rights when you are 

a citizen and not a citizen. But I don't really have that 

much information. I'm not well informed or have that much 

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knowledge on that. So kind of ignorant on that. 

MS. MORENO: When you said a citizen and 

noncitizen? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm a citizen but like Mexican 

and all, you know. 

MS. MORENO: What do you think about those 

issues, about being a citizen and noncitizen and being 

afforded the same rights? Do you think that's fair? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, it was not fair. But I was 

fortunate enough -- my parents came over here and first 

generation, I was fortunate enough to be born here. 

MS. MORENO: But you don't think it's fair that 

a person who's not a citizen has the same rights as you 

do. Do I hear you right? 

VENIRE PERSON: Correct. 

MS. MORENO: But I'm not sure why you feel that 

way. 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't know. 

MS. MORENO: First of all, let me tell you there 

is no right or wrong answer here. We get to be a little 

nosey here to find out what you feel. If you learned one 

of these gentlemen was not a citizen, would that be in 

your mind? And you would think You know what? He's not a 

citizen, and he shouldn't get all of these Constitutional 

rights that everybody enjoys who's a citizen. Would you 

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think that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I guess in a way it would be in 

the back of my mind. 

MS. MORENO: And because it's in the back of 

your mind, is that something that would really prevent you 

when you are thinking about the evidence in the case from 

affording that person all of these Constitutional rights 

that we as citizens enjoy? 

VENIRE PERSON: Maybe. That would still be 

there. 

MS. MORENO: In this case, I expect there will 

be speech that's critical of the United States. I expect 

there to be evidence of conversations and magazines with 

speech that might be critical of the U.S. How do you feel 

about freedom of speech? 

VENIRE PERSON: I feel it's a good thing that we 

have. 

MS. MORENO: How about speech that's critical of 

our own government? 

VENIRE PERSON: It's a person's opinion. 

THE COURT: Ms. Moreno. 

VENIRE PERSON: When someone is speaking about 

government, saying their own opinion, that's their 

opinion. 

MS. MORENO: Thank you so much. Thank you, your 

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Honor. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions for Ms. Hernandez? 

MR. JACKS: Yes, your Honor. 

Good morning, Ms. Hernandez. My name is Jim 

Jacks. I'm an Assistant United States Attorney here in 

Dallas, and I'm one of the prosecutors in this case, and I 

will be representing the government during this trial, and 

I have just a few questions for you as well, if you don't 

mind. 

I, too, want to thank you for your patience in 

waiting outside while we're working in here. Is Dallas 

your home? Were you born and raised here? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: You said that you enlisted in the 

National Guard. How old were you when you enlisted? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think I was about twenty when 

I signed the papers. '02. 

MR. JACKS: And you said you did not finish your 

tour or commission? 

VENIRE PERSON: I didn't do my split option. I 

didn't want to miss school so I did a summer. And I went 

a full year in college, and that summer I was supposed to 

go back. I didn't pass my weight and body fat standards. 

But I would still go to drill every weekend.

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MR. JACKS: And so when that happened, how is 

that recorded in your papers as far as your discharge? 

VENIRE PERSON: I'm not sure. It just says 

discharged, and I asked my superiors, and they said it's 

just a regular charge, not dishonorable. 

MR. JACKS: It's not that? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. It's honorable. 

MR. JACKS: What was your job in the National 

Guard? 

VENIRE PERSON: I was supposed to be a mechanic. 

They told me that I could change it later, but I never 

even went through any of it. 

MR. JACKS: So when you wouldn't go to drill or 

whatever, what would you do? 

VENIRE PERSON: Go to school. 

MR. JACKS: Classroom? 

VENIRE PERSON: College, yes.

MR. JACKS: But when you would be on duty with 

the National Guard -- 

VENIRE PERSON: What would we do? 

MR. JACKS: Yes. 

VENIRE PERSON: Not really much. 

MR. JACKS: Setting aside the physical training, 

the PT, did you work at some job when you were on duty 

with the Guard or was it classroom? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Always waiting around to see 

what we would do. I will try to help out putting some of 

the wheels on or, okay, this is how you do stuff and check 

vehicles. Check the tires a little bit. Just little 

stuff. 

MR. JACKS: So you would go to like a motor pool 

or something? 

VENIRE PERSON: Sometimes, depending. 

MR. JACKS: Can you repair or work on cars now? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. JACKS: Where did you get your college 

degree? 

VENIRE PERSON: At UNT. 

MR. JACKS: Did you commute or live up there? 

VENIRE PERSON: I lived up there. 

MR. JACKS: Is it in real estate? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: What's the title? Is it a business 

degree? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, BA, business 

administration. 

MR. JACKS: Do you live on your own or with your 

family? 

VENIRE PERSON: I live with my family. 

MR. JACKS: What does your dad do? 

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VENIRE PERSON: He runs a hotel. 

MR. JACKS: What's his job? 

VENIRE PERSON: He works in the laundry in one 

and the other as a chef. 

MR. JACKS: So he works at more than one hotel? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: How about your mom? Does she work 

outside the home? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, DISD at the cafeteria. 

MR. JACKS: Is she a server or doing something 

different? 

VENIRE PERSON: Mostly server. 

MR. JACKS: Does she cook? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just heat them up, yes. 

MR. JACKS: How long has she work at DISD? 

VENIRE PERSON: Maybe ten years. 

MR. JACKS: And how long has your dad worked at 

his job? 

VENIRE PERSON: Since I was born. 

MR. JACKS: At the same hotels? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, one changed. 

MR. JACKS: Is he a cook? Does he cook at home 

for you all? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, not really. 

MR. JACKS: Where did you attend high school, 

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here in Dallas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Townview Magnet, yes. 

MR. JACKS: You said you are an appraiser. Are 

you in the field yet? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not yet. We're at the offices. 

Just when we have hearings. 

MR. JACKS: Do you sit in on those hearings? 

VENIRE PERSON: I did on Tuesday. I was 

supposed to be there this week. 

MR. JACKS: Are you one of the people that sits 

at the computers and pulls up the comparables and delivers 

it to the homeowner? 

VENIRE PERSON: It doesn't have to be bad. 

MR. JACKS: You are beginning to be an 

appraiser? 

VENIRE PERSON: Correct. 

MR. JACKS: Would that involve being out and 

taking photographs and running comparables on the 

computer? 

VENIRE PERSON: Correct. 

MR. JACKS: This something you think you will 

stay with? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: Do you have any interest in being in 

real estate sales or development or like that? 

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VENIRE PERSON: I am a realtor, also. I have 

that on the side. Since I started this job, I haven't 

really done that too much. I'm trying to get used to the 

time. It's like all day long. 

MR. JACKS: Now, you have told us that your 

parents were immigrants. They immigrated from Mexico, and 

you were born here. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JACKS: Regarding the question you were 

asked about, is it your feeling that noncitizens should 

not necessarily be afforded the same rights as a citizen? 

Is that your answer, what you were saying? 

VENIRE PERSON: Correct. I know my mom, later 

on she became a citizen. My dad is still not a citizen. 

MR. JACKS: Would it change your answer if the 

noncitizen was a legal resident alien? If that person 

while not a citizen, I guess similar to your dad, that 

person had a green card and was legally within the 

country, would that change your answer as far as their 

rights in our criminal justice system? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just a little bit more rights I 

guess if they are actually a legal resident. 

MR. JACKS: Okay. I understand your feelings. 

But if the law was that even a person who's just passing 

through the country and if they are alleged to have 

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committed a crime that they would get treated the same as 

a citizen -- They have the presumption of innocence, and 

if you have been accused of committing a crime in the 

United States, the protections of the U.S. Constitution 

apply to you in a court of law. Could you abide by that 

if the Court were to tell you that is the law? 

VENIRE PERSON: I would try to, but I guess it 

would still be in the back of my mind. 

THE COURT: Mr. Jackson, your time has expired. 

MR. JACKS: Thank you, ma'am. 

THE COURT: Ms. Hernandez, we are in the process 

of talking with the members of the pool from which the 

jury will be selected that will hear this case. I expect 

that process will continue until later today. So until 

you hear from us again, you should not discuss this case 

with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with you, and if 

there are any media accounts about the case in the 

newspapers or on television or the radio, you should not 

read or watch or listen to any such media accounts. Thank 

you, ma'am. You may be excused. 

MS. MORENO: Your Honor, at this time on behalf 

of the defense we move for a cause challenge on this young 

lady. She could not afford -- and it was pretty clear -- 

the Constitutional rights to a noncitizen. 

THE COURT: Any objection? 

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MR. JACKS: No, your Honor. 

THE COURT: I will excuse Ms. Hernandez for 

cause. 

Good morning, Ms. Russell. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions for you. 

MS. MORENO: First of all, good morning and 

thank you for your patience in being here. My name is 

Linda Moreno, and I'm one of the dense attorneys, and I 

want to ask you a few questions. The first is I see you 

have had a number of back surgeries. This case is going 

four months, and so what we need to know if your medical 

condition would make it difficult for you or cause you any 

stress? 

VENIRE PERSON: I wasn't aware of this until the 

first day when I came to do that questionnaire, and 

sitting through that, I became very uncomfortable, and 

then of course, yesterday being here all day I had to lay 

down in the lounge to try to relief the back. I am 

concerned that I might not be as alert if I'm in a lot of 

pain. 

MS. MORENO: So you experience pain because of 

this medical condition? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. MORENO: Are you on any medication? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I don't take medication. I 

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live with it. I do take aspirin. Yesterday I took 

aspirin, but that's about it. 

MS. MORENO: Well, this case is going four 

months, Monday through Thursday. And while there will be 

periodic breaks, generally speaking, you will be sitting 

for long periods of time. So I guess my question and 

what's fair to ask on behalf of everyone is if that 

medical condition and pain that would be attendant to it 

would distract you from your jury service? 

VENIRE PERSON: I really believe it would. I'm 

concerned about that on both sides. I'm worried that I 

wouldn't be able to give attention to what I need to. So 

I am concerned about that. 

MS. MORENO: Pass the juror. Thank you. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions of Ms. Russell? 

MR. JACKS: Just briefly, your Honor. 

Good morning, Ms. Russell. 

VENIRE PERSON: Good morning. 

MR. JACKS: My name is Jim Jacks. I'm an 

Assistant United States Attorney here in the Northern 

District of Texas, and I will be representing the 

government, and I have a few follow-up questions. I 

apologize if I repeat some. It's kind of difficult to 

hear in the courtroom. So your condition is your back? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes, it is. I have three 

vertebrae in my lower back that has been fused. It's the 

ones in my lower back that creates the pain. 

MR. JACKS: Is that from an accident? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have degenerative cartilage. 

My cartilage disintegrates, and they have to go in and 

replace it. I have had a knee replacement, too.

MR. JACKS: Well, in this case we generally 

start at nine and go to 10:30 and take a break and then go 

to noon and take an hour and a half lunch break and then 

3:15 or so and take a break and then go to 4:45. Could 

you go that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I could probably do that. I 

took aspirin in the morning, and I took it at lunch. As 

long as I can move around at breaks, not having to sit 

through four hours. 

MR. JACKS: How about if the Judge were to allow 

you to have a seat on the back row and while the trial was 

going on you were free to stand up and move around and 

stretch? 

VENIRE PERSON: That would not be a problem at 

all. 

MR. JACKS: Your occupation is a crossing guard? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. JACKS: Is that a part time job? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes, it is. 

MR. JACKS: And are you employed by the Sachse 

Police? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I am.

MR. JACKS: Do you work at school zones? 

VENIRE PERSON: All school zones. 

MR. JACKS: How long have you done that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I just started in January. 

MR. JACKS: What did you do before that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I lived in California and when 

we moved here I retired. I used to be a travel agent. I 

retired because of my back. It was too much and through 

boredom I became a crossing guard, and I love every moment 

of it. 

MR. JACKS: What part of California were you 

living in? 

VENIRE PERSON: I was born and raised in Los 

Angeles, and we were living in San Diego when we moved 

here. 

MR. JACKS: What does your husband do? 

VENIRE PERSON: Accountant. Business manager 

for a HCA. 

MR. JACKS: What is that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Hospitals.

MR. JACKS: What hospitals do they own? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Several. My husband has fifteen 

hospitals going all the way from El Paso up into Kansas. 

He's the centralized business officer in charge of -- What 

they did is took their billings from the hospitals and put 

them in the one place in Dallas, and he does all the 

billing and so forth, collecting insurance. 

MR. JACKS: Excuse my ignorance. Are the 

hospitals all called HCA? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. Medical City Dallas, 

Plano -- different hospitals but they belong to HCA. 

MR. JACKS: Did you move to Texas with his job? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I did. 

MR. JACKS: Was he working for that company out 

there? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. No, he actually came out 

here to work for Baylor and worked for them on their 

centralized business office a few years and went to HCA.

MR. JACKS: Do you live in Sachse? 

VENIRE PERSON: Actually, no. I live in North 

Garland.

MR. JACKS: Again, have you been on a criminal 

jury before? 

VENIRE PERSON: Never. 

MR. JACKS: Have you received a jury summons 

before? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes, but when I called, they 

said they didn't need me. 

MR. JACKS: Was that in Texas or California? 

VENIRE PERSON: That was here. 

MR. JACKS: And your children, do you have any 

children still at home? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have one boy that just came 

home for a short period. 

MR. JACKS: From college or? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. He does have a problem with 

drinking, and we have been trying to help him, and he just 

had a bout with this problem, and so he has come to 

regroup so that he can go back out again. 

MR. JACKS: Where was he living? 

VENIRE PERSON: In Plano. 

MR. JACKS: With regard to the charges in this 

case, as has been said, the allegations in this case are 

that the Holy Land Foundation and men working for that 

entity provided material support to a foreign terrorist 

organization; namely, HAMAS. Have you heard of HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I have, but just recently. 

MR. JACKS: As a result of this case coming up 

in the news? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, it was just on the news 

this week. 

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MR. JACKS: At the end of the evidence when both 

sides have presented their evidence, the Judge will read 

his instructions to the jury, and it will say this is what 

the jury has to find in order to find a defendant guilty. 

And I anticipate in those instructions he would tell you 

that HAMAS has been designated a foreign terrorist 

organization, and also in those instructions I expect 

there would be language to the effect that under United 

States law giving anything in the nature of material 

support to a foreign terrorist organization is illegal, 

even if that thing given might be considered otherwise 

like food or clothing or medical supplies, even those 

types of items if given to a foreign terrorist 

organization, that's still a violation of the law. Having 

heard that explanation, do you have any disagreement with 

that aspect of the law? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, not at all. 

MR. JACKS: Could you follow the Court's 

instructions then if he were to instruct you that was the 

law? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

THE COURT: Ms. Russell, we are in the process 

of talking with the members of the pool from which the 

jury will be selected that would hear this case. That 

process will probably go on for a while longer today. So 

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until you hear from us further, you should not discuss 

this case with anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with 

you. And if there are any media accounts about this case 

in the newspaper or on television or on the radio, you 

should not read or watch or listen to any of those media 

accounts. 

MS. MORENO: Excuse me, your Honor, before the 

jury is excused. May we approach very briefly? 

THE COURT: All right. 

MS. MORENO: Your Honor, we would ask the Court 

to inquire if this particular juror knows Agent Robert 

Miranda. It's our understanding she does know Agent 

Miranda who's one of the case agents in this case and what 

is her relationship with Agent Miranda before she leaves. 

THE COURT: I'm puzzled why you didn't ask that 

yourself. 

MS. MORENO: I apologize. I thought her 

description of her ailment and medical problems were 

sufficient enough that perhaps the government with not try 

to rehabilitate her. So I take responsibility for that, 

and I apologize. I do think it's important, and the Court 

should know if she has a relationship with the case agent 

on this case. I think it's fair that we all know that. 

THE COURT: Ms. Russell, do you know a person by 

the name of Robert Miranda? 

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VENIRE PERSON: I don't think so. 

THE COURT: Thank you, ma'am. 

MS. MORENO: Your Honor, for the record I wanted 

to indicate in her questionnaire she had written she does 

know FBI Agent Robert Miranda, who's the possible agent to 

her citizen's police academy, and further, your Honor, at 

this time we would move or ask the Court to consider a 

hardship for this particular juror. She did indicate that 

her back situation would make it very difficult for her to 

concentrate. So we would submit that for your 

consideration. 

THE COURT: Yes, ma'am. Thank you. 

Mr. Kiblinger, I think we're ready to see next 

Ms. Prince. 

Good afternoon, Ms. Prince. I think counsel for 

the parties have some questions for you. Go ahead, Mr. 

Westfall. 

MR. WESTFALL: Ms. Prince, I'm Greg Westfall. 

How are you this morning? 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you so much for coming. 

I'm sure you had to come yesterday. 

VENIRE PERSON: That's okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you so much for the time 

you put in this. 

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VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: I'm one of the defense lawyers in 

this case, and I want to talk to you a very few minutes, 

and then the government wants to talk to you. This is the 

case of United States versus Holy Land Foundation for 

Relief and Development. Have you heard of the case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not until very recently. 

MR. WESTFALL: What have you heard recently? 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, is that that group up in 

Richardson? I don't know. I don't know about it. I 

don't watch the news or read the paper very much at all. 

MR. WESTFALL: It is the group in Richardson. 

It is the American Muslim charity in Richardson, Texas, 

that the government now alleges the charity and some of 

the men with the charity gave material support to HAMAS. 

Hearing all of that, let me ask you, have you made any 

decisions or do you have any opinions of the guilt or 

innocence of any of the defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not possible. No, absolutely 

not. There is no way I could. I don't know anything 

about it. 

MR. WESTFALL: Good, that's the A answer. 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about being on a 

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and terrorism is like in the title of the charge? 

VENIRE PERSON: Curious. 

MR. WESTFALL: Curious? 

VENIRE PERSON: Curious.

MR. WESTFALL: What are you curious about? 

VENIRE PERSON: Federal juries sound different 

than municipal juries or something like that. 

MR. WESTFALL: Sound what? 

VENIRE PERSON: Different. 

MR. WESTFALL: Than municipal juries? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: It is different in a number of 

ways. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever known any Muslims? 

VENIRE PERSON: Acquaintances. 

MR. WESTFALL: Tell me about them if you don't 

mind. 

VENIRE PERSON: One I think is or was a friend 

of my grandson. Other than that, possibly somebody in 

business or something like that. But not really. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever had any bad 

experiences with an Arab? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Any particularly good 

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experiences? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, neither way. 

MR. WESTFALL: How many grandchildren do you 

have? 

VENIRE PERSON: You really don't want to know. 

I have about thirty-five or so step-grandchildren. 

MR. WESTFALL: Whoa, thirty-five? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: You could start a country. 

VENIRE PERSON: My husband created a dynasty, 

and then he died and left me with it. 

MR. WESTFALL: How are you managing? 

VENIRE PERSON: They mostly are in Austin, and 

I'm up here. That's a real good way to handle it. 

MR. WESTFALL: Distance does indeed make the 

heart grow fonder? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you used to be in the army? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: When? 

VENIRE PERSON: 1965. 

MR. WESTFALL: What did you do in the army? 

VENIRE PERSON: I was training for the medical 

corps. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you get out of the army? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes. I did not serve a full 

period of time. 

MR. WESTFALL: What caused you to join the army 

back in 1965? 

VENIRE PERSON: That's a long time ago. We were 

kind of -- my brother was a big military fan, and I had no 

definite direction at that time, and it sounded like a 

good way to go because I knew I could get an education. 

MR. WESTFALL: Now, you mentioned municipal 

court, and this is federal court, and there is differences 

in ranges of punishment and stuff like that. But in a 

criminal court anywhere in the United States every person 

who's charged has a presumption of innocence. You have 

heard that term? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you know what that means? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: What does it mean? 

VENIRE PERSON: That you are not guilty of 

anything, of what you are charged with. 

MR. WESTFALL: Unless and until the government 

proves its case beyond a reasonable doubt. 

VENIRE PERSON: At the beginning you are not 

guilty until something happens. 

MR. WESTFALL: Why do you think we have that? 

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There is really not any other nation in the world that has 

that. We do. 

VENIRE PERSON: How about we're smart? 

MR. WESTFALL: We're smarter? 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. Scratch that. That's 

just the way this country was based. 

MR. WESTFALL: It's fairness I think. We want 

to be fair and not put innocent people in prison. That's 

one of the protections. It doesn't work all the time, but 

if we all try -- I think that's the goal. When our 

forefathers came from England, there was a lot of people 

being put in prison for their lack of religion or not 

worshipping the Pope or whatever. I think that's the 

lesson they learned. At least that's my experience. 

Now, how do you feel -- You said curious. We 

talked about Constitutional protection. Do you think in a 

case talking about Muslim men and terrorism that we ought 

to have the same kind of protection? 

VENIRE PERSON: Absolutely. You can't be guilty 

of something until somebody proves it. That's the way I 

see it. Not every christian is the most straightforward 

or loyal -- or whatever you want to call it -- person. 

Nor is every Muslim or Buddhist or anyone else. People 

are people. 

MR. WESTFALL: Everyone is different? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: You sound like someone who likes 

freedom of speech. 

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever been accused of 

speaking your mind? 

VENIRE PERSON: Once in a while. 

MR. WESTFALL: In this case, there may be 

evidence of our clients making very critical statements 

about Israel and sometimes critical statements about the 

United States. How do you feel about that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think I have probably made 

critical statements about everything and everybody because 

I'm just human. 

THE COURT: Mr. Westfall, your time has expired. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you, your Honor. Thank 

you. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions for Ms. Prince? 

MR. GARRETT: Yes, your Honor. Good morning, 

Ms. Prince. 

VENIRE PERSON: Good morning. 

MR. GARRETT: My name is Nathan Garrett, and I'm 

an Assistant United States Attorney, and I'll be one of 

the prosecutors that handles this case for the government. 

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I just have a few follow-up questions for you. Okay? 

VENIRE PERSON: All right. 

MR. GARRETT: As it came out in Mr. Westfall's 

question, you are a lady who has a lot of grandchildren? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: A lot of children grown it looks 

like. Are they all boys? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. GARRETT: You have Linda? 

VENIRE PERSON: Linda and the eighth child which 

is kind of tacked on is a girl, Michelle. 

MR. GARRETT: So eight of your own? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. No, these are all 

stepchildren. I have no children. 

MR. GARRETT: So eight stepchildren and 

thirty-five --

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Last count? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, we try not to keep that 

caught up. 

MR. GARRETT: You mentioned that most of them 

were in Austin. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Are some of your family living 

here? 

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VENIRE PERSON: In the area, my daughter Linda 

is the only one who lives in the area. 

MR. GARRETT: And your questionnaire said you 

lived in the area for thirty-eight years? 

VENIRE PERSON: Approximately, yes.

MR. GARRETT: And where did you live before you 

came to the Dallas area? 

VENIRE PERSON: A short while in Kileen, Texas. 

I was stationed at Fort Hood and then actually I was born 

and raised in Chicago. 

MR. GARRETT: Now, I apologize for repeating 

what Mr. Westfall asked you about, but you were in the 

military how long? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just over six months. 

MR. GARRETT: Okay. You mentioned Fort Hood. 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I was at Fort Sam. 

MR. GARRETT: Always domestic, never overseas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Never overseas. 

MR. GARRETT: You mentioned on your 

questionnaire various work, and I don't know with all of 

your grandchildren how you have time to do anything. But 

you mentioned some accounting? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, I worked for Southland 

Corporation in their accounting office. 

MR. GARRETT: Is that around here? 

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VENIRE PERSON: It was the owners of 7-11 

originally. 

MR. GARRETT: How long did you work for them? 

VENIRE PERSON: Twenty-three years. 

MR. GARRETT: And you stopped working for them 

when? 

VENIRE PERSON: Fifteen years ago. Yes, I was 

caught in a RIFT, reduction in force, but I had enough 

company time, and so therefore, I ended up retiring. 

MR. GARRETT: You mentioned in your 

questionnaire that you had served on two juries. Is that 

right? One petite and one civil? 

VENIRE PERSON: One petite and one civil, yes. 

MR. GARRETT: That's fine. That's the total of 

your prior jury service? 

VENIRE PERSON: That's correct. 

MR. GARRETT: Have you been called down in a 

group like this before aside from those two? 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Were those civil or criminal or do 

you know? 

VENIRE PERSON: I remember one was criminal. 

I'm not sure about the others. 

MR. GARRETT: Has that always been at the state 

or local level or have you been called down to federal 

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court? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, never. This is the first 

one. 

MR. GARRETT: First pleasure? 

VENIRE PERSON: So that's why the curiosity. 

MR. GARRETT: I noticed in your questionnaire 

regarding your stepchildren and grandchildren, there have 

been some brushes with the law. 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, that's one way of saying it. 

MR. GARRETT: Well, the numbers are against you, 

I think. But you mentioned in several places that there 

had been some of those issues, and I apologize for asking 

you. It's a bit rude of me, but I have to do that. Okay.

VENIRE PERSON: Okay. 

MR. GARRETT: You mentioned I think that you 

have your son was convicted of theft of a military ID 

card. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: Can you give me a little bit of 

the --

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, he was National Guard. He 

was in the military, and then he became National Guard, 

and he got involved with a woman, and he stole some blank 

ID cards for her, and she was selling them I guess to an 

informant or to someone undercover, and consequently, it 

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led back to him, and he was in the federal prison in Fort 

Worth. It's up in this area. He was up there for a 

while. 

MR. GARRETT: And you say that you were involved 

in a case of police impersonation in Chicago? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, a long, long time ago. 

Single. Had my own apt. I and a friend were out walking 

to another friend's place. A car pulled up. These guys 

came out, and they said they were police officers. They 

had me in the car. They kept my friend. They took off 

with her. They let me loose. We had the police at my 

apt. 

MR. GARRETT: So you were a victim or a witness 

in that case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. GARRETT: I won't ask you to explain them, 

but there are a couple of others involving your spouse I 

believe and a cattle rustling? 

VENIRE PERSON: That's the term they gave it. 

He was out hunting, and it ended up being cattle rustling. 

He received probation. 

MR. GARRETT: Let me ask you this. Based upon 

the totality of your experience with your husband and your 

children and grandchildren, is there anything about your 

experiences in those circumstances that would make it 

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difficult for you to sit impartially in judging the United 

States in this case or the defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I don't think so. 

MR. GARRETT: Do you feel at the end of the day 

these family members were involved in the criminal justice 

system were treated fairly by the criminal justice system? 

VENIRE PERSON: Except Michael's but that's 

because of his former wife. 

MR. GARRETT: Would you hold that against me? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, forget it. 

THE COURT: Mr. Garrett, your time has expired. 

Ms. Prince, we are in the process of talking to 

the members of the pool from which the jury that would 

hear this case will be selected. I expect that to 

continue for some time today. And until you hear from us, 

you should not allow anyone to discuss it with you or 

discuss it with anyone. And if there are any media 

accounts in the newspapers or television or on radio, you 

should not listen or read or watch any of those. 

VENIRE PERSON: That will be easy. 

THE COURT: Thank you, ma'am. You may be 

excused. 

Good morning, Ms. Cadwallader. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions they would like to ask you. 

Go ahead, Mr. Westfall. 

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MR. WESTFALL: Ms. Cadwallader? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: I'm Greg Westfall, one of the 

defense lawyers in this case. I want to speak with you 

for a few minutes, and then the government may speak with 

you. You doing okay? 

VENIRE PERSON: Nervous. 

MR. WESTFALL: Try not to be. I know it's hard. 

And also you have been waiting for two days. Thank you so 

much for your time and how long it has taken. 

This case is the Holy Land Foundation case. 

Does that ring a bell with you? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: Can you tell me what you know 

about it? 

VENIRE PERSON: What I have been hearing in the 

news. 

MR. WESTFALL: How long have you been hearing 

stuff in the news? 

VENIRE PERSON: Off and on for a couple of 

months. 

MR. WESTFALL: Mainly? 

VENIRE PERSON: But I forget about it. 

MR. WESTFALL: Like in the newspapers? 

VENIRE PERSON: Newspapers, TV. 

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MR. WESTFALL: Do you surf the net, too? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, no, I don't do computers. 

MR. WESTFALL: Not much surfing going on? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I don't do computers. 

MR. WESTFALL: Tell me specifically what you 

have heard. 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, that they allegedly have 

been funneling money into terrorism groups.

MR. WESTFALL: What group? 

VENIRE PERSON: Al Qaeda. 

MR. WESTFALL: This is a case that involves 

Muslim men, and the allegation is a terrorist 

organization. Not Al Qaeda, it's HAMAS. Given what you 

have heard and put into it, have you formed an opinion as 

to whether any defendant is guilty or innocent? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, not really. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you in any way? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about being on a 

jury where we're talking about Muslim men being accused of 

material support of terrorism? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't think I like it.

MR. WESTFALL: Well, share with us a little bit 

if you don't mind. 

VENIRE PERSON: I think of all the bad things 

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that are happening, and that's scary. But if I had to, I 

would do it. 

MR. WESTFALL: So is there a fear of 

retribution? 

VENIRE PERSON: There is always that 

possibility. But I feel pretty secure living in the 

United States. So hopefully I'll be taken care of. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you know any Muslims? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever known any Muslims? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever known any Arabs or 

people of Arabic descent? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Had good or bad experiences? 

VENIRE PERSON: We do own a complex out near 

UTA, and we have students that live in our apartments, but 

most of them are from India. 

MR. WESTFALL: So you own an apt you say is -- 

Is it UTA, Arlington? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you actually collect the rent? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, when they first move in, we 

interview them and take an application. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have they been polite? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Polite and quiet. Seem focused 

on what they want to do as far as their education. 

MR. WESTFALL: How many rental properties do you 

have? 

VENIRE PERSON: A few. 

MR. WESTFALL: It took you a while to collect 

those? 

VENIRE PERSON: Over a few years, yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: And what do you enjoy doing other 

than that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, we visit grandkids a lot. 

I have one musically inclined. So we go to Austin quite a 

bit to watch him. We try to travel. 

MR. WESTFALL: Where do you like to travel when 

you travel? 

VENIRE PERSON: We haven't done a lot, but we 

went to Washington and toured the monuments. 

MR. WESTFALL: Oh, Washington, DC? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: What does he do? 

VENIRE PERSON: He's retired. 

MR. WESTFALL: What had he been doing before he 

retired? 

VENIRE PERSON: He was a senior accountant for 

TXU. 

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MR. WESTFALL: And did you work outside the 

house? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, I did not.

MR. WESTFALL: Raised kids? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: How many grandkids do you have? 

VENIRE PERSON: Four. 

MR. WESTFALL: What are their age ranges? 

VENIRE PERSON: 10, 11 and 14. 

MR. WESTFALL: That's a good range. Are you 

active in a church? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever done any, like, 

community work or volunteer work? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, not really. Sorry to say, 

no.

MR. WESTFALL: Are you still feeling nervous? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not as much. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about being on 

this jury? Let me tell you, in this country everyone has 

the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. 

VENIRE PERSON: That's what makes this country 

so great. 

MR. WESTFALL: That's right. But do you 

remember where you were on the morning of September 11? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: I think everybody does. How do 

you feel about those protections being applied to a 

terrorism case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I think they should stand 

a chance. They need to be proven whether they are 

innocent or guilty. So yeah until that happens.

MR. WESTFALL: Some people would say that they 

shouldn't have any protection in a terrorism case. Others 

would say those protections are most important in a 

terrorism case because this is where we get to demonstrate 

as a nation just how good our criminal justice system is 

and how far our people are. If you had to choose between 

one of those two, what would you choose? I have a feeling 

I know. 

VENIRE PERSON: You mean whether they were 

guilty or not? 

MR. WESTFALL: No. Whether the protections are 

so important in this case because it is a terrorism case. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: Don't you think they are really 

necessary in a case like this? 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: And it seems to me you haven't 

much of a problem applying all of those protections. 

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VENIRE PERSON: (No response)

MR. WESTFALL: Would you have a problem applying 

those? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MR. WESTFALL: Feel like you would be a fair and 

impartial juror? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I would hope so. 

MR. WESTFALL: Well, take a second and check in, 

and do you feel like you could be? I hope so, too. But 

only you know. 

VENIRE PERSON: Right. It's hard to say. I 

could be a little biased I guess. Might be a little hard. 

MR. WESTFALL: Biased against Muslims or 

terrorists? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just the terrorist part. 

THE COURT: Mr. Westfall, your time has expired. 

Counsel for the government have questions for Ms. 

Cadwallader.

MR. JONAS: Yes, sir. Good morning, Ms. 

Cadwallader. I'm still making sure it's morning. My name 

is Barry Jonas. I'm one of the prosecutors in this case, 

and I have a few questions for you. When did you visit 

Washington? 

VENIRE PERSON: This past summer. 

MR. JONAS: Did you like it? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Loved it. 

MR. JONAS: I live in Washington. I didn't grow 

up there, but I've lived there about fifteen years, and I 

still get inspired when you see the Washington monument. 

VENIRE PERSON: Oh, yes. 

MR. JONAS: Anything else? 

VENIRE PERSON: The Lincoln Memorial. Turn 

around and see the White House. 

MR. JONAS: Right. And you made a comment about 

this country being so great, and one of the things that 

makes it great are the protections afforded to someone 

who's charged with a crime, the presumption of innocence. 

And even though this case does involve terrorism, 

terrorism is in the title as Mr. Westfall said, but it's 

important for you to give that presumption of innocence to 

these individuals. Despite the fact this is a terrorism 

case, it is still a criminal case. Do you think you can 

truly and fairly give that presumption to these 

defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I would hope so.

MR. JONAS: There is no right or wrong answer. 

This is what you should believe in your heart. Both sides 

are looking for someone that can be fair to both sides. I 

want to ask you a couple of other questions. You have 

served than a jury before? 

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VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JONAS: And how did that turn out? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, we reached verdicts. 

Different trials that I have been on. I have been picked 

before. 

MR. JONAS: Were those good experiences? 

VENIRE PERSON: Interesting experiences, yes. 

MR. JONAS: You put down on your 

questionnaire -- You filled this out a few weeks ago -- 

whether you or your spouse were born outside the United 

States, you put Philippines. 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, he's an American citizen, 

but he was born in the Philippines. His parents were 

American, but they spent four years in a Japanese prison 

camp. 

MR. JONAS: You also put you don't speak or 

understand Hebrew or Arabic, and the government 

anticipates there will be conversations in Arabic or 

Hebrew with translations given to the jury. You checked 

off if you speak or read Arabic or Hebrew language would 

you have any difficult relying solely on translator's 

translation, and you checked yes, implying you would have 

difficulty. Is that correct? 

VENIRE PERSON: I believe so. 

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relying on the translator? 

VENIRE PERSON: Well, I guess if they were good, 

I would not have a problem. 

MR. JONAS: So if you would evaluate the 

translator you would be able to rely upon the translation? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JONAS: And if you found they were a good 

translator, would you be able to rely on the translation? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JONAS: Have you ever heard about HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JONAS: What do you know about HAMAS? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just what I hear in the paper. 

MR. JONAS: What have you heard? 

VENIRE PERSON: I hear so much sometimes. When 

you start getting older, it's hard to retain all of this 

information. 

MR. JONAS: I understand. As I learn something 

new, I have to get rid of something old to take its place. 

What is your reaction when you hear HAMAS, good or bad? 

VENIRE PERSON: Bad. 

MR. JONAS: Well, in this case the defendants 

are accused of giving aid to HAMAS. After the Judge 

charges the jury with the law, you will hear that HAMAS is 

a terrorist organization designated by the United States, 

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and it makes it illegal for anyone to give support, money 

or other items to HAMAS. Now, if the evidence -- If you 

find as a juror that some of the support went for good 

things, things you normally think of as charity, that it 

still benefited HAMAS and was done for the benefit of 

HAMAS, could you find the defendants guilty? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. JONAS: Thank you very much. 

THE COURT: Ms. Cadwallader, we are in the 

process of talking with the pool from which the jury will 

be selected to hear this case. I expect that process to 

continue until later today. So until you hear from us 

further you should not discuss this case with anyone or 

allow anyone to discuss it with you, and if there are any 

media accounts about the case in the newspapers or on the 

television or radio, you should not watch or listen to or 

read any of those media accounts. Thank you, ma'am. You 

may be excused.

MR. WESTFALL: Your Honor, we would like to 

submit Ms. Cadwallader for cause. When I was speaking 

with her, she finally said that she would be biased in a 

terrorism case, and Mr. Jonas got up and spoke with her 

and really laid out the presumption of innocence and then 

finally asked her if she could apply that presumption in 

this case, and she looked up and she kind of scanned the 

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defense table and said well I would hope so which is what 

she said before. She went ahead and admitted she had a 

bias. I think it's easy to infer and clearly a solid 

inference that her bias would substantially impair her 

jury service in this case, your Honor. And we submit her 

for a challenge on that basis. 

THE COURT: Mr. Jonas, what is your position? 

MR. JONAS: Our position is cause has not been 

established here. She said she would have no problem in 

applying the protection and she can be fair and apply the 

presumption of innocence here, and I think everyone has a 

bias against terrorism. That doesn't necessarily mean 

that she would not be fair in this case and give these 

defendants a good trial. 

THE COURT: Thank you, I will take this one 

under advisement. Mr. Kiblinger, I think we're ready to 

see next Ms. Hervey. 

Good morning, Ms. Hervey. Counsel for the 

parties have some questions they would like to ask you. 

MR. WESTFALL: Good morning. I'm Greg Westfall. 

How are you today? 

VENIRE PERSON: Fine, thank you. 

MR. WESTFALL: First of all, I would like to 

thank you for coming in yesterday and today and doing all 

the waiting you had to do. I'm a criminal defense lawyer, 

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and I'm on the defense team in this case which is the 

United States versus the Holy Land Foundation. Are you 

familiar with the case? 

VENIRE PERSON: Not really other than what I 

heard I think when it first happened. 

MR. WESTFALL: Could you tell us what you heard 

when it first happened? 

VENIRE PERSON: Just that they went and raided 

them and took some stuff. That's it. That's basically 

all I remember. 

MR. WESTFALL: Based on what you have heard, 

have you formed any opinions as to the guilt or innocence 

of the defendants? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: The case is actually material 

support of a terrorist organization. That's the 

allegation. That's actually the title of the charge. 

It's an American Muslim charity accused of giving material 

support to HAMAS which is the foreign terrorist 

organization. How do you feel about being on a jury with 

that kind of case, that kind of issues? 

VENIRE PERSON: How do I feel? Are you asking 

if I would be partial? 

MR. WESTFALL: It's a very vague question. 

What's the first thing that crosses your mind? 

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VENIRE PERSON: A great deal of responsibility 

to decide guilt or innocence. I really have no opinion 

about it.

MR. WESTFALL: And since you brought it up, do 

you have any issues of being fair and impartial? 

VENIRE PERSON: I could be fair. 

MR. WESTFALL: Could you be impartial? 

VENIRE PERSON: I could be impartial. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you know any Muslims? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever had any good 

experiences or bad experiences with Arabic people? 

VENIRE PERSON: Dealing with any job, the people 

I see, I don't really know them. I have never had any 

really bad experiences with them.

MR. WESTFALL: How long have you been working 

with the credit union? 

VENIRE PERSON: Almost seven years. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you like it? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: What do you like about it? 

VENIRE PERSON: I like meeting people. It's a 

great way to meet people, and I feel like I perform great 

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customer service. 

MR. WESTFALL: Pretty big credit union? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir, we're small. 

MR. WESTFALL: So you get to see the regulars? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: You work at a drive-in or window? 

VENIRE PERSON: I work at a window. 

MR. WESTFALL: What do you like to? 

VENIRE PERSON: I like to bowl and play 

basketball, anything to do with sports with my 

granddaughter. 

MR. WESTFALL: How old is your grand daughter? 

VENIRE PERSON: One. 

MR. WESTFALL: Does she live with you? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: How is the child care working? 

VENIRE PERSON: I don't provide child care for 

her. We have someone that does that. 

MR. WESTFALL: The reason why I asked, this case 

could go on for like four months. So if you had a one 

year old at the house we needed to know about that. If 

there weren't arrangements that could be made, that could 

be a hardship issue. But we're all square there? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: And you are okay with your job 

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for being gone four months? 

VENIRE PERSON: I think my employer might have a 

hardship about it with me going so long since I recently 

got a promotion of branch manager. She may have a problem 

since we are a small credit union and might have a problem 

finding someone to fill in for me for a long period of 

time. 

MR. WESTFALL: That could be an issue. Please 

find out, okay, just how big an issue that is. 

VENIRE PERSON: With my employer? 

MR. WESTFALL: Yes. 

VENIRE PERSON: She wrote a letter. I think 

it's addressed to the Judge. 

MR. WESTFALL: Well, he probably has that. 

VENIRE PERSON: No, he doesn't. I have it. He 

hasn't seen the letter. 

MR. WESTFALL: How long were you on the jury 

with the sexual assault? 

VENIRE PERSON: It lasted probably four or five 

days. It was no longer than a week. 

MR. WESTFALL: How did you like it? 

VENIRE PERSON: It was uncomfortable listening 

to -- 

MR. WESTFALL: Why? 

VENIRE PERSON: Because, as I said, it was a 

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sexual assault case and me being a female it was 

uncomfortable listening to some of the things she said 

happened to her. So it was a little uncomfortable. 

MR. WESTFALL: Was it her word against his? 

VENIRE PERSON: It was basically her word 

against his, and when the police showed up he jumped up 

and ran. They really didn't see anything. But it was 

basically her word against his word. 

MR. WESTFALL: You remember all the instructions 

about the burden of proof and the presumption of 

innocence? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about those 

protections? 

VENIRE PERSON: That everyone is innocent until 

proven guilty. I believe that is true. You have to prove 

them guilty in order to find them guilty. It has to be 

proved. 

MR. WESTFALL: Did you get a sense that among 

the jurors in that case the presumption of innocence was 

applied? 

VENIRE PERSON: Towards the young man? 

MR. WESTFALL: Yes. 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. We all considered him 

innocent until we heard everything that went on, and we 

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all went from there. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about those 

protections in this case, in a terrorism-related case? 

VENIRE PERSON: That they are innocent. I 

believe, as I said, everyone is innocent until we actually 

prove them guilty. 

MR. WESTFALL: Do you do anything with the 

church? Are you active in your church? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, sir. 

MR. WESTFALL: Have you ever done girls club or 

boys club or Big Sisters? 

VENIRE PERSON: Participated in the boys and 

girls club, but that's been a few years ago. 

MR. WESTFALL: How do you feel about charity? 

Do you ever donate to charity? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir, I give to United Way 

and stuff like that. I donate to charity. 

MR. WESTFALL: Why do you do that? 

VENIRE PERSON: I feel like if you are able to 

give you should give. Some people aren't as fortunate as 

you are.

MR. WESTFALL: If you are sitting over there, do 

you want to see you on this jury? 

VENIRE PERSON: If I'm sitting over there? As I 

said, I could be fair and impartial. It's up to you if I 

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sit over here. 

MR. WESTFALL: Thank you. 

THE COURT: Counsel for the government have 

questions of Ms. Hervey. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Good morning, my name is Elizabeth 

Shapiro, and I'm one of the prosecutors representing the 

government in this case. I have a few additional 

questions to ask you. It looks like you were born in 

Georgia. Is that right? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Born here in Dallas? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, ma'am. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Where did I see Georgia? 

VENIRE PERSON: I lived in Georgia for a while.

MS. SHAPIRO: When was that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Probably almost twenty years 

ago. 

MS. SHAPIRO: With your family? 

VENIRE PERSON: My ex-husband, yes. 

MS. SHAPIRO: What brought you to Texas? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have always lived in Texas. 

He was in the military. 

MS. SHAPIRO: I see and then you came back? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Where did you study business? 

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VENIRE PERSON: North Texas University. 

MS. SHAPIRO: What was your favorite subject 

there? 

VENIRE PERSON: Economics. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Take a lot of economics classes? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, ma'am, just that one. 

MS. SHAPIRO: How many brothers and sisters do 

you have? 

VENIRE PERSON: One sister, four brothers. 

MS. SHAPIRO: A lot of children. It looks like 

you have had uncles that had some encounters with the 

criminal justice system? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, ma'am. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Are those brothers of your mother 

or father? 

VENIRE PERSON: They are my mother's brothers. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Two? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. SHAPIRO: And it says they served some 

prison time. Are they out of prison now? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. SHAPIRO: And how old were you when they 

were in prison? 

VENIRE PERSON: I have one uncle. He just 

recently got out. The other uncle, probably he's been 

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deceased almost five years. So it's probably been about 

seven years ago. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Were you close to them? 

VENIRE PERSON: We weren't real close. I did 

see them, but that's about it. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Was your family involved in their 

defense and helping them during that process? 

VENIRE PERSON: No. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Do you have a sense that at the 

end of the day they were treated fairly by the criminal 

justice system? 

VENIRE PERSON: That they were treated fairly?

MS. SHAPIRO: Yes. 

VENIRE PERSON: I believe what they say they 

did, they did receive the right punishment. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Do you have any lingering bad 

feelings from that that might cause you to be biased 

against the government in any way? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, ma'am. 

MS. SHAPIRO: You did serve on a jury, and with 

respect to those cases on which you sat, at the end of the 

case the judge gave you instructions on the law to apply 

to the case. Do you remember that? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes. 

MS. SHAPIRO: The Court in this case will also 

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give you instructions at the end of the case after all the 

evidence has been heard, and the Judge is likely to 

instruct you that HAMAS is a foreign terrorist 

organization and has been designated as such by the United 

States, and he would also instruct you on what constitutes 

material support to HAMAS, and this case is about material 

support to a foreign terrorist organization. And in those 

instructions, he may tell you that sending money to HAMAS, 

a foreign terrorist organization, is illegal. And they 

also tell you that even if that money was partially spent 

on humanitarian items, things like food or clothes or 

medicine or things of that nature, that too is illegal if 

it is knowingly sent to the benefit of this terrorist 

organization. Do you understand that idea? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, ma'am. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Do you have any problem accepting 

that statement of the law? 

VENIRE PERSON: No, ma'am. 

MS. SHAPIRO: If the Judge gave you such an 

instruction, would you be able to follow it? 

VENIRE PERSON: Yes, sir. 

MS. SHAPIRO: Thank you very much. 

THE COURT: Ms. Hervey, we're in the process of 

talking to the members of the panel from which the jury 

will be selected that would hear this case. I expect that 

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process will continue until later today. So until you 

hear from us again, you should not discuss this case with 

anyone or allow anyone to discuss it with you, and if 

there are any media accounts about this case in the 

newspapers or on television or on radio, you should not 

read or watch or listen to any of those media accounts. 

And one final thing. I believe you said you had a letter 

for me which I've not seen. If you want to deliver that 

to me, I'll look at it now. 

If you will remain seated I will read this. No 

one else involved in the trial has seen this either. It's 

on the letterhead of Metro Medical Credit Union, dated 

June 17, 2007, re: Jury duty, June Hervey, Branch 

Manager, Metro Medical Credit Union. 

"Dear Judge, Our employee, June Hervey, has been 

summoned to report to the jury room on Wednesday July 18, 

2007 to be considered as a prospective juror. We are a 

small credit union with two branches and eighteen 

employees, one of which is myself, of which several are 

new employees. I'm concerned if Ms. Hervey is picked for 

a jury for a trial lasting more than a couple of days, it 

would place an undue hardship on our business. Ms. Hervey 

was our backup when we lost our branch manager due to 

termination. She's now our branch manager. We don't have 

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for more than a few days, and we have no one at the home 

office to replace the branch manager. I am aware it is 

our civic duty to serve as jurors, and several of our 

employees have served in the past. I feel it's important 

to society that civic duty not cause small businesses 

undue risk. I have spoken with Ms. Hervey, and if you 

have any questions, please feel free to call me. Yours 

truly, Delores Jarbo, President, Metro Medical Credit 

Union."

Thank you, Ms. Hervey, we will certainly take 

into account this letter when we are making a decision 

about whether you should serve. 

Thank you, ma'am, you may be excused. 

Ladies and Gentlemen, it's now noon by the clock 

on the wall. So I would like to take our midday luncheon 

recess from now until one o'clock. I have been working on 

the tabulation of the lists of the persons we have talked 

to on the panel, and I have made a tabulation which for 

the sake of saving time I had Ms. Piwoni type up, and I 

have had copies made, and so I am going to ask that Mr. 

Kiblinger distribute those to you now. I would like you 

to review these during the noon hour, if you can, and if 

you disagree with the way that I have tabulated this, I 

would like to know when we resume. I did my best on this. 

There is a certain arbitrariness, I guess. The persons on 

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the list entitled Jurors Available to Serve, what I meant 

by that heading is these are people which according to my 

notes neither side has moved to challenge for cause, and I 

did not understand them to express any kind of a hardship 

in serving. As I was about to say, there is a certain 

arbitrariness. For example, Number 22 on that list is 

Diane Shrum, and she did say she was not looking forward 

to putting her life on hold for three to four months to 

serve on the jury. I suppose she could have gone on the 

hardship list, but I didn't interpret that as anything 

more than what anyone else would feel at the prospect of 

serving on a jury for four months. That's why I put her 

on the available list instead of hardship list. One 

reason I put Ms. Medina on the hardship excuses pending 

list -- She's Number 5 on that list -- I think I mentioned 

to you earlier that the jury administrator had reported to 

me that Ms. Medina said when she got back down to the 

central jury room that she had not been able to tell us 

about pre-existing travel plans. I have an e-mail from 

the jury administrator today which said that Ms. Medina 

said she has travel plans from July 20 to July 22, August 

3rd to August 6th and August 30th to September 3rd, but 

that she did not have an opportunity in the courtroom to 

let the judge slash parties know. 

One other thing that I needed to just let you 

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know about because I'm learning something about our jury 

administration system, too. I am usually not involved to 

this extent in jury selection, and probably you are not 

either. It was reported to me that one of the things that 

the counsel for the government was considering and whether 

to give me back some of the strikes I had previously 

allocated is they would like the jurors in the same order 

that we have talked to them. 

I have learned that apparently each day there is 

an automated system in the jury administrator's office 

that when they check these jurors the system automatically 

randomizes the list, and there is no way to override that 

system. So I then inquired if there is some importance in 

having the people in the same order in which we talked to 

them, if that could be done manually, and the jury 

administrator responded that they could do the list 

manually, but it's important apparently to her for Susan 

Hudson, my coordinator here, to get together with her to 

be sure we have the list in the right order that the 

parties wanted it. Also, I don't have any information if 

we did that manually how long it would take tomorrow 

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8:30 and 9:00, and my question is if we had to do it 

manually there may be a delay while we prepare that list. 

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have come up on how far along we are. 

One other thing that occurs to me. These lists 

I have handed out only go through Ms. Prince because there 

was some time involved in typing them up. So Ms. 

Cadwallader and Ms. Hervey are not on the lists. We will 

be in recess for lunch until one o'clock. 

(Recess)

THE COURT: Good afternoon, Ladies and 

Gentlemen. I realize I passed these lists out in haste 

this afternoon before lunch, and it was reported to me 

that some defense counsel were unclear about what I wanted 

you to do. I apologize for that. 

This is my own list that I prepared. And as you 

can see from my computations we are slightly above the 

minimum threshhold that we would need if there is no 

recomputation of the peremptory challenges for alternate 

jurors that was raised briefly in discussion this morning. 

I guess the reason I wanted to share these with 

you is that I wanted to see if you had any disagreement in 

your own notes with the categories that we have put these 

persons in. I don't want an argument, but if you think I 

have made a clerical error in putting them in the wrong 

column, that's what I want to know. 

And then counsel for the government asked this 

morning for some time to reflect on whether the government 

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could give me back some strikes for alternate jurors. 

However, if there is no consensus about that, I think we 

need to push on and hear from a few venire this afternoon 

so that we can make this deadline to put the names on the 

automated phone system. 

MR. JACKS: Judge, I realize I may be hitting 

the tennis ball back over the net. As I understand it, 

the only thing we're dealing with is three strikes or six 

strikes for the alternates. 

THE COURT: That's my understanding. 

MR. JACKS: And I think both sides would like to 

know what that universe is. And I think obviously the 

Court's determination of cause will determine where that 

universe is on the lists. So I would think if the Court 

were to tell us of its rulings with regard to these for 

cause -- and we could pretty quickly see that means the 

alternates are going to be in this range -- we could give 

an answer to the Court in terms of we have enough, three 

strikes would be satisfactory to both sides or six 

strikes. But that's kind of the initial response that we 

would have. 

THE COURT: Well, my intent currently is to 

sustain all of the challenges for cause that are on this 

list that I gave you. That's through 10 starting with 

Geraldine Pritchard and ending with John Abelar. And also 

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to grant the hardship excuses shown in that list ending 

with Erbert. And so that would leave us this fifty people 

who are on the list shown as jurors available to serve. 

MR. JACKS: Judge, were there some additions to 

this list? 

THE COURT: There are two other people, as I 

mentioned, that are not on any of these lists because of 

just timing. Ms. Piwoni was typing this up this morning 

as we spoke with the jurors, Ms. Cadwallader and Ms. 

Hervey, and I would put Ms. Cadwallader in the 

challenge-for-cause category because of the defendant's 

challenge to her, and my intent would be to excuse her for 

cause, and then Ms. Hervey I would put in the hardship 

category in view of the letter that her employer wrote 

which I read into the record shortly before we recessed. 

So we're still at the same number of people available to 

serve; namely, fifty. 

MR. JACKS: And so we would be able to calculate 

which of these jurors would be within the alternate pool, 

and just for clarification, I assume if a juror is 

excused, the alternate would replace them in numerical 

order. 

THE COURT: That would be my assumption. I have 

never done it in this struck method. Still, we know who 

the alternates are on the list, and so as I previously 

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indicated, I don't want to tell the jurors themselves who 

are regular jurors and who are alternates. All of us 

would know that, and it is my assumption that the 

alternates would replace the jurors as necessary in the 

order in which they are alternate. In other words, 

Alternate Number 1 and 2 and so forth. 

MR. JACKS: Your Honor, if we could have a few 

moments to determine where the alternate pool may be, I 

think we can give you our answer pretty quickly as to 

whether three strikes is fine or six. 

THE COURT: Let me ask one other question. Does 

your answer presuppose that we will do this manual list 

tomorrow rather than this automatically randomization? I 

think that would entail some delay we won't otherwise 

experience and may require us to start at ten rather than 

nine. 

MR. JACKS: Yes, sir. I think we are all hoping 

that they will stay in the order. At least the numerical 

one for Monday would be followed by Tuesday and Wednesday 

and so forth. I think we're counting on that so that we 

can keep straight who's going to be where on the list. 

THE COURT: Why don't we take a few minutes 

while you talk about that. I don't want to take too long 

because if we don't reach some agreement, we have to keep 

pushing ahead, and we have this three o'clock deadline. 

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THE COURT: Mr. Jacks, have you had an 

opportunity to consider the things that were discussed and 

reach some understanding about them? 

MR. JACKS: Yes, your Honor. And I'm not that 

confident in my calculations. You go to law school and 

somehow the hardest thing is to count. 

THE COURT: I understand. 

MR. JACKS: But our position is that we would 

certainly be willing to agree to each side having four 

strikes among the alternate pool, and if that were the 

case, assuming no double strikes --

THE COURT: I don't think we can have double 

strikes under this struck jury method.

MR. WESTFALL: Just to make sure. 

MR. JACKS: To really make sure. That would 

leave a cushion of five jurors in the event something 

happens in the general voir dire. That's an adequate 

cushion for the Court, and I think we have probably 

questioned enough jurors to move into the general voir 

dire tomorrow. 

THE COURT: Okay. Well, that sounds good to me. 

Anyone on the defense side disagree with what Mr. Jacks 

said? 

MR. WESTFALL: No, your Honor, we don't 

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disagree. I wanted to ask one thing. Ms. Shrum yesterday 

brought that note from her chiropractor. 

THE COURT: Oh, yes, I know the one you are 

talking about. Yes, you are right. I guess I had 

somewhat forgotten about that. The note from the 

chiropractor recommends that she not participate as a 

juror due to a chronic low back condition that would 

include prolonged sitting. I guess the reason I did not 

put her in the hardship category is I believe I asked her 

a follow-up question after we saw this letter, whether she 

thought she could sit for as long as an hour and a half at 

a time, and she said yes. 

MR. WESTFALL: I think she did, too. I just 

wondered whether the Court thought it was a hardship. 

With that clarification, I don't think we have a problem 

with the -- what the court just said with the four 

strikes. Ms. Moreno asked me to make sure the Court knew 

about Mr. Baccus. I don't know if the Court wants to do 

anything about him. 

THE COURT: Yes, I'm cognizant of what she said 

at the end of the day yesterday to the effect that she had 

been able to verify Mr. Elashi was the family with whom 

Mr. Baccus's wife had served as an intern, but he did not 

know them personally, and so I thought that was something 

that the parties might want to take note of exercising 

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their peremptory challenges, but I didn't think it really 

affected his status as a person who was qualified to 

serve, from what I know. 

Let me just ask one other point of 

clarification, Mr. Westfall, while you are standing. I 

don't know what benefit keeping this list in the same 

order will have on our proceedings tomorrow. But 

expecting it may cause some delay beyond what we would 

others experience because we are doing these lists 

manually as the people come and are checked in as opposed 

to the automatic system that randomizes it, and I want to 

make sure that defense counsel understands that. I don't 

know if defense counsel are planning to go back to their 

residences out of town this weekend. And it may be at ten 

o'clock as opposed to a nine o'clock. 

MR. WESTFALL: Ten o'clock is fine. That's just 

fine. And it's not going to cause any hardship to us if 

the jurors are seated in the order that they were called 

this week. That's fine with us. We have no objection to 

that. 

THE COURT: Well, I guess we can go ahead and 

give this list I entitled Jurors Available to Serve to the 

jury clerk, and they can begin putting those names on the 

system before three o'clock. 

I have your letter you handed up, Mr. Westfall, 

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this morning. Unfortunately, I didn't have much time to 

do anything with it, but I appreciate your putting down in 

writing what you would like to accomplish. It doesn't 

show a copy of this to the government. So let me just 

read it into the record so it's clear what is being 

proposed here. 

MR. JACKS: Your Honor, he did serve us with a 

copy. 

THE COURT: Okay. Do you have any different 

view about what this general voir dire session should 

consist of, Mr. Jacks? 

MR. JACKS: No, your Honor. 

THE COURT: I will file this with the record 

then, and I will attempt to cover the points that have 

been discussed in Mr. Westfall's letter, and I'm still of 

the opinion that can probably be done in the space of 

maybe thirty minutes to an hour, and then I would 

anticipate that we could move very quickly into the 

process of parties exercising their peremptory challenges. 

There may be some brief delay just because of my 

unfamiliarity and the Government's unfamiliarity with this 

system, but I'm sure that counsel who have been through 

this before can guide us. I do think after reflecting on 

it overnight that it would be better if we excuse the 

panel from the courtroom before this process begins 

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because it seems to me that it would be unwieldy to try to 

have bench conferences with as many parties as we have 

here. 

However, I do intend to keep the panel in the 

jury assembly room because once we know who the twelve and 

the six alternates are, I think we need to bring them back 

to the courtroom and have some further proceedings with 

them. I think I have told the parties earlier that for 

this case we've established a remote location for them to 

come to in the morning, and then they will be driven here 

by the Marshal in a van so that they will be all together 

and won't have to run the gauntlet of the media and press 

and so forth, and then they will be transported back in 

the same manner in the afternoon. I think we need to 

discuss that with them and let them know where they need 

to be and when, and I guess we have tentatively 

established Tuesday as the start date of when they need to 

report, if I understood that correctly. So anyway, we 

need to be sure they know about that. And also, I may 

need to reiterate at that point just the importance of 

their not paying attention to any media accounts of this 

case while we're apart from them. 

It was just pointed out to me -- I guess I'm 

still unused to the publicity that a case like this 

generates. Ms. Casey just pointed out to me we won't be 

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able to have such an orientation in an open session 

because that would broadcast where the remote site is and 

defeat the purpose. Maybe the marshal could do it 

himself. But I probably do need to direct them so the 

marshal can talk to them about that. 

MR. DRATEL: The government filed a Section 4 

notice last night, and I know the court has issued an 

order. It's been briefed before, but to put on the record 

the defenses' objection to the ex parte aspect of it and 

deviation from the due process that we have objected to 

earlier. 

THE COURT: Yes, sir. Thank you. 

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C E R T I F I C A T I O N

I, Cassidi L. Casey, certify that during the 

proceedings of the foregoing-styled and -numbered cause, I 

was the official reporter and took in stenotypy such 

proceedings and have transcribed the same as shown by the 

above and foregoing Pages 862 through 986 and that said 

transcript is true and correct.

I further certify that the transcript fees and format 

comply with those prescribed by the court and the Judicial 

Conference of the United States.

s/Cassidi L. Casey

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CASSIDI L. CASEY

UNITED STATES DISTRICT REPORTER

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870:19, 904:4, 918:9, 924:1, 

931:15, 931:19, 945:25, 

957:8

arrangements 964:22

arrested 883:14

arson-related 887:12

article 890:17, 890:19, 

890:21

aside 892:18, 896:7, 897:4, 

902:16, 902:21, 923:23, 

946:18

ask 867:7, 878:6, 889:22, 

890:1, 890:25, 915:15, 

916:16, 916:19, 916:24, 

929:9, 930:7, 936:10, 936:15, 

937:7, 938:16, 948:16, 

948:22, 949:24, 957:24, 

961:19, 968:8, 973:20, 

979:11, 981:1, 982:4

asked 871:19, 883:9, 883:13, 

884:8, 888:17, 915:19, 

919:16, 919:18, 923:4, 

927:10, 945:12, 960:24, 

964:19, 976:24, 981:9, 

981:17

asking 891:10, 947:12, 

962:22

aspect 907:20, 935:16, 

985:9

aspirin 930:1, 930:2, 931:14

assault 965:18, 966:1

assembly 984:5

Assistant 862:29, 872:8, 

884:4, 910:22, 922:6, 930:21, 

943:24

assisted 900:18

association 876:21

assume 978:20

assuming 980:12

assumption 978:23, 979:3

AT&T 873:8

attempt 983:14

attend 873:24, 925:25

attendant 930:8

attendee 875:25

attention 899:10, 930:12, 

984:21

Attorney 862:29, 872:8, 

874:23, 884:4, 884:5, 910:22, 

922:6, 930:21, 943:24

attorneys 889:25, 916:18, 

929:8

August 887:1, 974:22

Austin 940:13, 944:22, 

953:12

automated 865:24, 975:10, 

977:5

automatic 982:11

automatically 864:15, 

975:11, 979:13

Available 974:1, 974:13, 

978:3, 978:16, 982:22

Avenue 863:16, 863:41, 

885:18

aware 909:2, 929:14, 973:2

away 916:21

Awful 887:4

< B >

BA 924:20

Baccus 981:18, 981:23

bachelor 907:19

back 865:9, 869:4, 873:15, 

875:15, 875:16, 890:15, 

901:5, 904:10, 921:3, 921:4, 

922:24, 928:8, 929:10, 

929:18, 930:25, 931:2, 931:3, 

931:18, 932:12, 934:13, 

937:9, 941:4, 948:1, 968:23, 

974:17, 975:6, 977:1, 977:7, 

981:7, 982:13, 984:6, 984:13

background 908:2

backup 972:23, 972:25

Bad 868:11, 888:8, 903:4, 

926:13, 939:22, 951:25, 

952:15, 959:20, 959:21, 

963:14, 963:17, 970:16

Bahrain 899:22

Baker 862:38

balanced 884:20

ball 977:7

Bank 872:16, 872:18, 

872:24, 918:10

Baptist 870:2

Barry 862:26, 903:24, 956:21

Based 867:20, 878:22, 

885:6, 895:25, 902:14, 942:6, 

948:22, 962:11

basically 864:11, 962:9, 

966:5, 966:8

basis 914:2, 961:6

basketball 964:10

bat 891:1
Baylor 933:16

became 927:14, 929:16, 

932:13, 947:22

begin 898:22, 982:23

beginning 926:14, 941:23

begins 983:25

behalf 894:10, 928:21, 930:7

behind 871:8, 895:20

believe 867:4, 888:1, 891:4, 

891:11, 902:23, 919:19, 

930:10, 948:18, 957:22, 

958:24, 966:16, 967:5, 

970:14, 972:7, 981:9

bell 895:2, 950:12

bells 898:13, 898:19, 906:14

belong 933:10

bench 984:2

benefit 877:9, 877:12, 889:2, 

915:10, 960:5, 971:13, 982:6

benefited 918:13, 960:5

Benz 875:12, 875:14

best 884:19, 973:24

better 881:10, 892:15, 

983:24

beyond 865:12, 867:3, 

881:3, 941:22, 982:8

bias 961:3, 961:4, 961:12

Biased 956:12, 956:13, 

960:21, 970:17

Big 870:22, 875:21, 881:24, 

904:9, 941:6, 964:2, 965:9, 

967:11

bikes 884:18, 884:19

billing 933:6

billings 933:4

bit 878:16, 891:18, 891:21, 

892:17, 897:19, 908:7, 919:1, 

919:20, 924:4, 927:21, 

947:13, 947:19, 951:23, 

953:13

blank 947:23

blankets 889:1

body 922:24

book 909:5

books 915:12, 918:7

boredom 932:13

Born 885:18, 911:2, 920:11, 

922:13, 925:19, 927:7, 

932:17, 945:9, 958:10, 

958:13, 968:8, 968:11

bother 868:21

bout 934:12

bowl 964:9

BOX 863:25

boy 934:7

BOYD 862:43

boys 944:7, 967:11, 967:12

Branch 965:4, 972:13, 

972:23, 972:24, 973:2

branches 972:18

break 931:9, 931:10, 931:11

breaks 930:5, 931:15

brief 983:20

briefed 985:8

briefly 930:17, 936:8, 976:17

bring 984:6

broadcast 985:2

brother 913:3, 941:6

brothers 913:1, 969:7, 

969:9, 969:14, 969:16

brought 963:4, 968:20, 

981:2

brushes 947:8

Buckner 912:23

Buddhist 942:23

bugs 900:21

burden 881:2, 966:10

Burger 911:24

Business 885:9, 907:17, 

907:22, 907:25, 908:2, 

924:18, 924:20, 932:21, 

933:3, 933:17, 939:21, 

968:25, 972:22

Businesses 911:24, 973:5

buy 895:19, 909:5

< C >

CA 863:33

CADEDDU 863:14, 863:15

Cadwallader 949:23, 950:1, 

956:18, 956:20, 960:9, 

960:20, 976:5, 978:9, 978:10

cafeteria 925:9

calculate 978:18

calculations 980:6

California 863:31, 875:13, 

932:10, 932:15, 934:3

call 893:22, 901:2, 942:22, 

973:7

called 877:13, 883:13, 885:6, 

886:7, 890:5, 912:22, 915:12, 

918:14, 933:8, 934:1, 946:17, 

946:25, 982:18

camera 907:11, 907:12

camp 958:15

Canada 904:3, 904:6

cancel 897:16

Canon 907:12

Capital 873:4

car 881:6, 948:8, 948:10

card 927:18, 947:17

cards 913:8, 947:24

care 894:4, 952:7, 964:16, 

964:17

carry 907:8

cars 924:9

cartilage 931:5, 931:6

cases 970:21

CASEY 863:46, 984:25, 

986:3, 986:15, 986:17

CASSIDI 863:46, 986:3, 

986:17

categories 976:20

category 978:11, 978:14, 

981:9

Catholic 910:1

cattle 948:18, 948:20

caught 944:20, 946:8

cause 865:7, 865:12, 865:15, 

865:22, 866:21, 894:11, 

894:15, 897:8, 917:2, 928:22, 

929:3, 929:12, 960:20, 961:8, 

970:17, 973:5, 974:3, 977:13, 

977:16, 977:23, 978:13, 

982:8, 982:17, 986:4

caused 870:23, 941:3

causes 865:14

celebrated 873:10

Central 876:19, 888:14, 

917:7, 974:18

centralized 933:3, 933:17

Centro 873:25

certain 902:9, 902:13, 

973:25, 974:5

certainly 973:10, 980:10

certify 986:3, 986:10

chain 911:24

challenge 865:12, 894:11, 

928:22, 961:6, 974:3, 978:12
challenge-for-cause 978:11

challenges 865:6, 865:21, 

866:21, 976:16, 977:23, 

982:1, 983:19

chance 864:7, 870:8, 

880:16, 880:17, 885:11, 

955:6

change 904:9, 904:16, 

923:11, 927:15, 927:19

changed 883:13, 893:21, 

894:4, 925:21

changing 914:11, 914:15

charge 876:20, 878:19, 

905:6, 914:19, 915:5, 923:5, 

933:3, 939:1, 962:17

charged 868:15, 880:19, 

898:17, 941:13, 941:20, 

957:12

charges 918:4, 934:16, 

959:24

charitable 877:11, 915:12

charities 870:12

charity 867:20, 878:21, 

890:4, 895:9, 895:10, 895:11, 

898:16, 906:11, 917:23, 

918:6, 938:13, 938:14, 

938:15, 960:4, 962:18, 

967:14, 967:15, 967:17

Chase 872:16, 872:25, 913:7

Check 883:1, 924:3, 924:4, 

956:8, 975:11

checked 882:23, 882:25, 

883:16, 958:19, 958:22, 

982:10

checking 883:3

chef 925:4

Chevrolet 907:16

Chicago 945:10, 948:5

child 874:2, 944:10, 964:16, 

964:17

children 874:4, 918:8, 934:5, 

934:6, 944:6, 944:14, 948:24, 

969:10

chiropractor 981:2, 981:6

choice 882:20

choir 876:4, 876:6, 876:8

choose 955:13, 955:14

christian 942:21

Christmas 879:25

chronic 981:7

church 869:24, 870:5, 

875:19, 875:21, 909:19, 

909:21, 954:11, 967:8

circumstances 948:25

citizen 919:24, 920:2, 920:4, 

920:7, 920:13, 920:22, 

920:24, 920:25, 927:11, 

927:14, 927:17, 928:2, 937:6, 

958:12

citizens 882:24, 919:17, 

921:8

City 912:11, 933:9

civic 973:3, 973:5

Civil 886:3, 886:4, 895:22, 

913:21, 946:12, 946:13, 

946:20

claims 918:4

clarification 978:20, 981:15, 

982:5

clarify 888:5

classes 969:5

Classroom 923:16, 923:25

clear 895:24, 928:23, 983:5

clearance 901:20, 901:23

clearly 961:3

Clerical 869:19, 976:22

clerk 982:23

clients 943:9

climate 904:9

CLINE 863:29

Clinic 912:23

clock 973:14

Close 912:25, 970:3, 970:4

closest 879:20

clothes 971:11

clothing 877:11, 889:1, 

915:13, 935:12

club 967:10, 967:11, 967:13

cognizant 981:20

collect 952:22, 953:6

collecting 933:6

collectively 866:15

College 873:23, 873:24, 

874:3, 911:7, 911:8, 911:10, 

922:23, 923:17, 924:11, 

934:9

color 892:15

column 976:23

comes 866:24, 882:17, 

910:6

comfortable 891:5

coming 878:9, 883:10, 

886:15, 894:22, 906:6, 

934:22, 937:21, 961:24

comment 957:9

Commerce 862:33, 863:47, 

911:11

commercial 873:14, 907:1

commission 922:20

committed 928:1

committing 928:3

communicate 873:15, 

900:16

Community 870:9, 911:9, 

954:14

commute 924:14

companies 872:13

company 933:13, 946:9

comparables 926:11, 926:18

compile 866:1

completely 892:8

complex 952:16

comply 986:11

compound 900:2, 900:3

computations 976:14

computer 901:14, 926:19

computers 911:21, 911:25, 

926:11, 951:2, 951:4

concentrate 937:10

concerned 891:20, 929:19, 

930:11, 930:13, 972:20

concerns 871:16, 901:5

conclusion 866:3

condition 929:12, 929:22, 

930:8, 930:25, 981:7

conditions 900:8

condos 917:10

confer 864:21

Conference 986:12

conferences 984:2

confident 980:6

conflict 881:23, 882:19, 

899:4, 908:14, 918:18, 

918:19

consensus 977:2

consequently 947:25

consider 865:13, 937:7, 

980:3

consideration 937:11

considerations 919:16
considered 877:11, 935:11, 

966:24, 972:17

considering 975:5

consist 983:11

constitutes 971:5

Constitution 928:4

Constitutional 919:17, 

920:24, 921:7, 928:24, 

942:16

contact 869:22

contain 877:3

continue 889:13, 896:15, 

905:18, 928:14, 949:15, 

960:12, 972:1

contractor 901:14

controlled 874:11

conversations 898:25, 

921:13, 958:18

convicted 947:16

conviction 874:8

cook 925:13, 925:22

coordinator 975:18

copies 973:20

copy 915:2, 983:4, 983:8

corporate 872:19, 912:13

Corporation 876:21, 912:8, 

912:22, 945:24

corps 940:24

Correct 876:10, 883:20, 

920:15, 926:16, 926:20, 

927:13, 946:16, 958:23, 

986:8

correctly 984:18

Counsel 864:21, 867:6, 

871:23, 878:5, 883:25, 

889:21, 893:8, 894:16, 896:9, 

897:9, 905:25, 910:18, 

916:15, 922:2, 929:4, 930:15, 

937:15, 943:18, 949:23, 

956:17, 961:18, 968:3, 975:5, 

976:11, 976:24, 982:12, 

982:13, 983:22

count 944:18, 980:7

counter 895:20

counting 979:20

country 882:10, 885:22, 

900:10, 927:19, 927:25, 

940:9, 942:6, 954:20, 954:22, 

957:10

County 885:21, 886:2, 886:5, 

917:7, 917:15

couple 873:5, 876:7, 885:10, 

886:17, 894:1, 900:11, 

900:21, 948:17, 950:20, 

957:24, 972:21

course 929:17

Courthouse 862:32, 913:14

courtroom 891:8, 930:25, 

974:23, 983:25, 984:7

courts 886:23

cover 983:14

created 940:10

creates 931:3

Credit 913:8, 963:19, 964:2, 

965:5, 972:12, 972:14, 

972:18, 973:8

credits 873:23

crime 928:1, 928:3, 957:12

criminal 875:4, 876:10, 

881:1, 892:10, 895:22, 

902:13, 913:19, 927:20, 

933:21, 941:12, 946:20, 

946:22, 949:5, 949:6, 955:12, 

957:17, 961:25, 969:12, 

970:10

critical 909:8, 909:9, 921:12, 

921:14, 921:18, 943:9, 

943:10, 943:13

crosses 962:25

crossing 931:23, 932:13

Crowley 913:14

crystallize 865:14

CSR 863:46

culture 900:20

curiosity 947:5

Curious 939:2, 939:3, 939:4, 

939:5, 942:15

currently 869:10, 874:8, 

977:22

cushion 867:2, 980:17, 

980:19

Customer 869:22, 873:4, 

917:16, 964:1

customers 873:14

CUTRER 863:39

< D >

D. 863:29

dad 924:25, 925:17, 927:14, 

927:17

DALLAS 862:3, 862:34, 

863:17, 863:48, 870:3, 

873:19, 873:22, 875:15, 

885:7, 885:18, 885:19, 

885:20, 886:12, 886:13, 

887:17, 911:2, 913:4, 917:7, 

917:15, 922:7, 922:12, 926:1, 

933:5, 933:9, 945:7, 968:11, 

986:20

DANIELS 862:43

date 887:1, 984:17

dated 972:12

daughter 871:15, 874:5, 

875:9, 882:18, 882:21, 945:1, 

964:12

daughters 880:8, 884:9

Davidson 884:12

Day 863:30, 865:20, 867:4, 

894:23, 894:24, 904:17, 

927:4, 929:15, 929:17, 949:4, 

970:10, 975:9, 981:21

days 883:9, 894:1, 950:9, 

965:20, 972:21, 973:1

DC 953:18

deadline 977:4, 979:25

deal 963:1

Dealing 907:1, 963:15, 977:8

dealt 901:1

Dear 972:15

deceased 970:1

decide 898:10, 963:2

decision 902:14, 973:11

decisions 938:17

deep 880:21

defeat 985:3

DEFENDANT 862:38, 863:1, 

863:11, 863:20, 863:36, 

887:17, 935:4, 951:15, 

978:11

defendants 879:3, 887:7, 

888:15, 895:17, 905:10, 

938:18, 949:2, 957:19, 

959:22, 960:6, 961:14, 

962:13

defense 866:15, 867:13, 

878:8, 889:25, 891:9, 894:11, 

894:21, 897:1, 897:12, 906:3, 

916:18, 928:22, 938:2, 950:4, 

961:1, 961:25, 962:1, 970:7, 
976:11, 980:23, 982:12, 

982:13

defenses 985:9

definite 867:2, 941:7

Definitely 877:17

degenerative 931:5

degree 906:19, 907:4, 911:7, 

911:8, 924:12, 924:19

delay 975:24, 979:14, 982:8, 

983:20

deliberate 915:2

deliver 879:17, 972:8

delivered 879:19

delivers 926:11

delivery 879:11, 885:13

Delores 973:8

demands 894:8

dementia 893:23

demonstrate 955:11

dense 929:8

Denver 885:6

DEPARTMENT 862:30, 

912:19

dependent 894:5

depending 876:14, 924:8

depends 870:6

deployed 919:12

descent 868:6, 952:13

description 936:18

deserve 892:2

designated 877:5, 905:7, 

915:7, 935:6, 959:25, 971:4

designation 888:23

desk 873:15

Despite 957:16

details 895:7, 902:11

determination 977:13

determine 891:18, 977:13, 

979:8

Development 898:12, 

926:25, 938:6

deviation 985:10

Diane 974:7

diapers 918:8

died 892:1, 892:25, 940:11

Diego 932:18

differences 887:9, 941:10

Different 868:23, 896:2, 

919:23, 925:11, 933:10, 

939:6, 939:9, 939:12, 942:25, 

958:4, 983:9

difficult 929:12, 930:24, 

937:9, 949:1, 958:21

difficulty 958:23, 958:25

digesting 909:16

digital 914:11, 914:13, 

914:15

Dillards 917:20

DIRE 862:17, 865:18, 

866:24, 980:18, 980:21, 

983:10

direct 985:4

direction 903:9, 903:10, 

941:7

directly 901:1

disagree 869:8, 973:23, 

980:23, 981:1

disagreement 915:14, 

915:16, 935:15, 976:19

discharge 923:2

discharged 923:4

discuss 877:24, 889:14, 

889:15, 893:15, 893:16, 

896:16, 896:17, 905:19, 

905:20, 916:6, 916:7, 928:15, 

928:16, 936:1, 936:2, 949:16, 

949:17, 960:13, 960:14, 

972:2, 972:3, 984:15

discussed 980:3, 983:15

discussion 904:5, 976:17

DISD 925:9, 925:15

dishonorable 923:5

disintegrates 931:6

disposed 887:15

Distance 940:15

distinction 880:4

distract 930:9

distribute 973:21

DISTRICT 862:1, 862:2, 

862:31, 872:8, 910:23, 917:7, 

930:22, 986:18, 986:19

DIVISION 862:3, 912:16, 

986:20

doctor 893:23, 893:25

doing 870:7, 870:10, 870:11, 

873:4, 894:19, 896:4, 903:12, 

906:2, 916:5, 917:11, 925:10, 

950:6, 953:9, 953:22, 961:24, 

982:9

domestic 945:17

donate 967:15, 967:17

Donations 870:19

done 900:5, 905:13, 912:5, 

927:3, 932:7, 953:16, 954:13, 

960:5, 967:10, 975:15, 

978:24, 983:16

door 904:2

double 907:24, 980:12, 

980:13

doubt 881:3, 941:22

down 872:23, 873:14, 

880:23, 886:7, 886:15, 

893:21, 893:24, 894:7, 906:6, 

929:18, 946:17, 946:25, 

958:8, 974:17, 983:2

downtown 872:21

dozen 866:22, 866:23

DRATEL 863:3, 863:5, 985:6

drill 922:25, 923:13

drinking 934:11

drive 871:7, 879:13, 901:17

drive-in 964:6

driven 984:10

driver 879:11, 885:14

Drivers 870:16, 870:24

drug 874:8, 881:6

Drunk 870:16, 870:24

due 886:25, 972:23, 981:7, 

985:10

DUI 886:19

DUNCAN 862:42

during 872:10, 910:24, 

922:8, 970:7, 973:22, 986:3

duty 913:10, 923:18, 923:24, 

972:13, 973:3, 973:5

DWI 883:16, 883:17

dynasty 940:10

< E >

e-mail 974:19

earlier 974:16, 984:8, 985:11

early 865:19, 865:22, 874:1, 

879:24, 898:2

East 873:21, 885:14, 885:20, 

918:22

Eastfield 911:9

easy 949:20, 961:3

eat 880:3, 880:5

econ 907:23
economic 917:2

Economics 969:4, 969:5

edge 879:21

education 941:8, 953:2

effect 877:7, 935:8, 981:21

eight 944:12, 944:15

eighteen 866:13, 972:18

eighth 944:10

eighties 879:24

eighty 893:22

either 865:3, 868:6, 876:14, 

886:10, 908:19, 972:11, 

975:4

El 873:25, 933:2

El-mezain 863:1

Elashi 863:20, 981:22

elective 907:6

Elizabeth 862:27, 968:5

emotional 881:18

employed 872:15, 932:2

employee 972:15

employees 972:19, 972:20, 

972:25, 973:4

employer 965:2, 965:10, 

978:14

encounters 969:11

end 864:18, 866:13, 876:13, 

877:2, 885:9, 888:10, 905:5, 

913:17, 914:22, 935:1, 949:4, 

970:10, 970:21, 971:1, 

981:21

ended 887:14, 946:9, 948:20

ending 977:25, 978:1

England 942:11

enjoy 870:10, 870:11, 880:6, 

904:13, 921:8, 953:9

enjoyed 900:12, 900:21, 

904:10

Enjoying 904:11, 904:12

enjoys 920:25

enlisted 922:15, 922:16

enough 866:20, 879:5, 

920:10, 920:11, 936:19, 

946:8, 977:18, 980:20

entail 979:14

entitled 893:1, 974:1, 982:22

entity 934:19

equipment 907:8, 912:15, 

912:17

equivalent 864:12

Erbert 897:9, 897:11, 

903:23, 905:15, 978:2

error 976:22

established 961:9, 984:9, 

984:17

estate 924:16, 926:25

ET 862:11

evaluate 959:4

event 980:17

Everybody 869:2, 869:5, 

881:17, 891:8, 920:25, 

943:13, 955:2

Everyone 864:17, 881:1, 

881:20, 902:15, 930:7, 

942:25, 954:20, 961:11, 

966:15, 967:5

everything 900:19, 912:1, 

943:13, 966:25

evidence 876:13, 876:14, 

896:1, 902:14, 902:16, 903:3, 

905:5, 909:8, 914:23, 921:6, 

921:13, 935:1, 935:2, 943:9, 

960:2, 971:2

ex 985:9

ex-husband 968:19

EXAMINATION 862:17

example 974:6

Excellent 880:15

Except 949:7

excess 866:23

Excuse 866:25, 894:15, 

897:7, 929:2, 933:7, 936:7, 

978:12, 983:24

excused 878:4, 889:20, 

896:25, 905:24, 916:10, 

928:20, 936:8, 949:22, 

960:18, 973:13, 978:21

excuses 865:22, 866:21, 

974:14, 978:1

exercising 981:25, 983:19

expect 877:3, 877:6, 877:22, 

888:20, 889:12, 896:14, 

905:5, 905:17, 915:2, 915:5, 

915:8, 921:11, 921:12, 

928:13, 935:7, 949:14, 

960:11, 971:25

expecting 982:8

experience 875:2, 886:14, 

908:8, 929:21, 942:14, 

948:23, 979:15, 982:9

experiences 868:5, 868:11, 

895:25, 939:23, 940:1, 

948:25, 952:15, 958:6, 958:7, 

963:14, 963:17

expired 903:20, 928:9, 

943:15, 949:11, 956:16

explain 900:20, 948:16

explained 914:18

explanation 935:15

explore 891:6

exploring 891:21

express 869:3, 908:23, 

910:25, 974:4

extent 975:3

eye 900:7

< F >

fact 957:16

facts 868:22, 868:23, 

888:13, 896:1, 896:7, 902:22, 

909:10

fair 881:12, 881:17, 887:7, 

891:9, 891:11, 891:18, 

891:19, 892:4, 892:6, 892:8, 

892:11, 893:2, 894:12, 897:2, 

902:17, 920:8, 920:9, 920:12, 

930:7, 936:23, 942:8, 956:5, 

957:23, 961:10, 961:13, 

963:5, 963:6, 967:25

fairly 875:3, 887:6, 888:1, 

896:7, 902:21, 949:6, 957:18, 

970:10, 970:12

fairness 881:16, 942:7

falls 909:12

familiar 962:3

families 875:22

family 875:7, 880:9, 892:24, 

924:23, 924:24, 944:24, 

949:5, 968:18, 970:6, 981:22

fan 941:6

far 923:2, 927:19, 953:2, 

955:13, 976:1

fat 922:24

father 892:1, 911:20, 969:15

favorite 969:2

FBI 937:5

fear 871:1, 952:3

February 897:23

Federal 886:15, 939:6, 
941:10, 946:25, 948:1

feeling 927:10, 954:17, 

955:14

feelings 891:7, 891:24, 

892:14, 892:18, 908:18, 

927:23, 970:17

fees 986:10

felony 883:17

felt 892:23, 901:2, 903:9

female 966:1

few 867:1, 867:14, 872:10, 

872:14, 876:6, 878:13, 890:1, 

903:25, 906:4, 911:1, 916:20, 

922:9, 929:9, 930:23, 933:17, 

938:3, 944:1, 950:5, 953:5, 

953:8, 956:22, 958:9, 967:13, 

968:7, 973:1, 977:3, 979:7, 

979:22

field 926:4

Fifteen 933:1, 946:7, 957:3

fifty 978:2

fifty. 978:17

figure 864:18

figured 908:2

file 983:13

filed 985:6

fill 965:6

filled 890:2, 958:9

final 972:7

finally 960:21, 960:24

find 905:12, 920:21, 935:4, 

960:3, 960:6, 965:9, 966:17

finding 965:6

Fine 873:6, 946:14, 961:22, 

979:10, 982:16, 982:17, 

982:19

finish 874:3, 874:13, 919:11, 

922:19

finished 911:11, 914:14

First 862:45, 864:24, 869:1, 

879:25, 886:14, 893:22, 

900:11, 903:15, 912:9, 913:9, 

913:11, 915:19, 920:10, 

920:19, 929:6, 929:9, 929:15, 

947:2, 947:4, 952:23, 961:23, 

962:5, 962:7, 962:25

FISH 862:18, 880:10

Five 885:8, 912:6, 965:19, 

970:1, 980:17

fix 873:16

flight 904:16

Floor 863:6, 863:32

Florida 863:26

Fly 884:21, 897:23

focused 953:1

follow 877:15, 899:3, 899:5, 

905:12, 908:13, 910:1, 

913:24, 915:23, 935:18, 

971:20

follow-up 872:11, 903:25, 

930:23, 944:1, 981:10

followed 902:10, 908:24, 

918:18, 979:19

following 889:6

fond 864:13

fonder 940:16

food 877:11, 911:24, 915:13, 

918:7, 935:12, 971:11

force 946:8

Ford 907:16

forefathers 942:11

foregoing 986:7

foregoing-styled 986:4

foreign 867:19, 876:23, 

877:6, 877:9, 877:12, 878:20, 

888:21, 895:15, 898:18, 

914:21, 915:7, 915:11, 

918:13, 934:19, 935:6, 

935:10, 935:13, 962:19, 

971:3, 971:7, 971:9

forget 900:1, 949:10, 950:23

forgive 891:20

forgotten 981:5

form 902:12, 918:7

format 986:10

formed 895:16, 898:25, 

951:14, 962:12

former 902:8, 949:8

formerly 872:16

Fort 863:42, 901:15, 901:16, 

945:9, 945:15, 945:16, 948:1

forth 873:15, 933:6, 979:6, 

979:20, 984:13

fortunate 920:10, 920:11, 

967:20

forty-nine 866:18, 866:23, 

867:3

forward 974:7

found 905:10, 959:7

Foundation 862:11, 867:15, 

867:17, 867:18, 867:19, 

878:11, 879:18, 890:5, 890:6, 

894:25, 895:1, 898:12, 905:3, 

906:10, 906:11, 914:20, 

917:22, 917:24, 918:4, 

934:18, 938:5, 950:11, 962:2

four 871:9, 879:7, 883:11, 

886:10, 910:14, 917:1, 

929:11, 930:3, 931:16, 

958:14, 964:20, 965:1, 

965:19, 969:9, 974:8, 974:12, 

980:10, 981:16

Four. 954:7

frame 903:3

Francisco 863:33

Frank 913:14

free 868:25, 931:19, 973:7

FREEDMAN 862:43

freedom 908:20, 909:12, 

921:15, 943:3

Friday 871:1, 898:6, 898:8, 

904:15

friend 939:19, 948:7, 948:8, 

948:10

friends 897:21, 907:14

frustrating 904:1

full 922:23, 941:1

funneling 951:8

fused 931:2

< G >

Gardner 885:6

Garland 879:21, 933:20

Garrett 862:28, 884:4, 

943:23, 949:11

gas 868:7, 868:8, 895:19, 

895:20

gathering 883:1

gauntlet 984:12

gave 867:18, 895:11, 905:10, 

915:24, 938:15, 948:19, 

970:22, 971:19, 977:24

Gaza 918:10

GE 873:3

general 865:18, 866:24, 

980:18, 980:20, 983:10

generally 930:5, 931:8

generates 984:25

generation 920:11
Gentlemen 864:2, 892:19, 

920:22, 973:14, 976:9

Georgia 968:9, 968:13, 

968:14

Geraldine 977:25

gets 902:17

getting 871:15, 874:17, 

898:21, 959:16

girl 944:11

girlfriend 887:11

girls 880:7, 967:10, 967:13

give 877:8, 887:5, 887:22, 

892:19, 915:10, 915:13, 

930:12, 947:19, 957:15, 

957:18, 960:1, 961:13, 

967:16, 967:20, 971:1, 975:6, 

977:1, 977:17, 979:9, 982:22

Given 864:8, 877:16, 892:17, 

894:8, 935:11, 935:13, 

951:13, 958:19

giver 894:4

gives 877:2

giving 865:13, 880:19, 

880:20, 898:17, 902:1, 905:8, 

919:16, 935:9, 959:23, 

962:18

goal 866:19, 907:25, 942:10

gotten 864:13, 874:2, 879:20

graduated 906:19

grand 964:12

grandchildren 940:3, 944:4, 

945:21, 947:7, 948:24

granddaughter 880:8, 

964:11

grandkid 882:22

grandkids 953:11, 954:6

grandson 939:20

grant 978:1

gravitate 870:23

great 954:23, 957:10, 

957:11, 963:1, 963:25

green 927:18

Greg 863:38, 867:11, 878:7, 

894:19, 897:11, 906:3, 

937:18, 950:3, 961:20

grew 873:21, 909:24, 911:3

group 912:16, 938:9, 938:12, 

946:18, 951:9

groups 951:8

Grove 909:24

grow 873:19, 909:21, 

909:23, 940:16, 957:2

grown 944:6

Guard 916:22, 919:7, 

922:16, 923:9, 923:19, 

923:25, 931:23, 932:13, 

947:21, 947:22

guess 869:2, 870:14, 

874:10, 874:20, 880:2, 903:1, 

915:17, 915:21, 921:2, 

927:17, 927:22, 928:7, 930:6, 

947:24, 956:12, 959:2, 

973:25, 976:18, 981:4, 981:8, 

982:21, 984:16, 984:23

guide 983:23

guilt 879:3, 895:17, 899:1, 

938:17, 962:12, 963:2

guilty 874:19, 874:20, 

892:14, 905:12, 915:4, 935:4, 

941:19, 941:24, 942:19, 

951:15, 954:21, 955:7, 

955:17, 960:6, 966:16, 

966:17, 967:6

guys 948:8

< H >

Haitian 903:19

half 866:22, 887:20, 903:8, 

911:13, 931:10, 981:11

HAMAS 867:18, 876:23, 

876:24, 876:25, 877:4, 

878:21, 878:23, 888:16, 

888:18, 888:21, 895:12, 

898:17, 902:3, 904:22, 905:4, 

905:6, 905:8, 905:9, 905:11, 

906:13, 908:11, 914:22, 

915:6, 918:14, 934:20, 935:6, 

938:15, 951:13, 959:10, 

959:12, 959:20, 959:23, 

959:24, 960:2, 960:5, 960:6, 

962:19, 971:3, 971:6, 971:8

handed 976:3, 982:25

handle 940:14, 972:25

handled 887:24

handles 943:25

happen 876:18

happened 885:8, 923:1, 

962:5, 962:7, 966:3

happening 952:1

happens 941:24, 955:7, 

980:18

hard 892:22, 950:8, 956:11, 

956:12, 959:16

hardest 980:7

hardly 882:9

hardship 865:7, 865:22, 

866:21, 897:25, 917:2, 937:8, 

964:23, 965:3, 972:22, 974:4, 

974:10, 974:13, 974:14, 

978:1, 978:13, 981:9, 981:14, 

982:17

hardships 871:13

Harley 880:12, 884:12

haste 976:9

HCA 932:22, 933:8, 933:10, 

933:17

heading 974:2

hear 877:21, 877:23, 882:1, 

889:12, 889:14, 890:10, 

891:23, 892:17, 893:13, 

893:14, 896:16, 905:17, 

905:19, 909:10, 916:4, 916:5, 

919:2, 920:14, 928:13, 

928:15, 930:25, 935:24, 

936:1, 949:14, 949:15, 

959:13, 959:15, 959:20, 

959:24, 960:11, 960:12, 

971:25, 972:2, 977:3

Hearing 878:24, 892:15, 

938:16, 950:16, 950:18

hearings 926:6, 926:7

heart 940:16, 957:22

heat 900:21, 904:13, 925:14

Hebrew 958:17, 958:19, 

958:20

help 870:20, 892:16, 924:2, 

934:11

helped 900:6

Helping 869:22, 870:7, 

899:21, 900:2, 900:14, 

903:16, 970:7

Hernandez 916:14, 916:17, 

922:3, 922:5, 928:11, 929:2

Hervey 961:17, 961:18, 

968:4, 971:23, 972:13, 

972:15, 972:20, 972:22, 

973:6, 973:10, 976:5, 978:10, 

978:13

hesitancy 915:20
hesitating 909:15

High 885:3, 907:5, 911:5, 

911:6, 925:25

highly 909:8, 909:9

Hilton 889:21, 892:5, 893:9, 

893:11, 894:6, 894:12, 

894:15

hire 874:23, 911:25

hitting 977:6

hold 869:3, 876:4, 876:5, 

949:9, 974:8

holidays 870:7

HOLLANDER 862:41, 

862:44

Holy 862:11, 867:15, 867:16, 

867:17, 867:19, 878:11, 

879:17, 890:5, 890:6, 894:25, 

895:1, 898:12, 905:3, 906:9, 

906:10, 914:19, 917:21, 

917:22, 917:24, 918:3, 919:4, 

934:18, 938:5, 950:11, 962:2

home 871:7, 875:9, 882:11, 

888:7, 911:17, 911:19, 912:3, 

922:13, 925:8, 925:22, 934:6, 

934:8, 973:1

homeowner 926:12

Honestly 895:19, 899:9, 

902:10

Honor 864:3, 864:6, 864:17, 

864:24, 865:5, 866:8, 867:10, 

871:25, 884:2, 891:8, 893:10, 

894:10, 896:11, 897:1, 897:6, 

905:14, 910:20, 922:1, 922:4, 

928:21, 929:1, 930:17, 936:7, 

936:10, 937:3, 937:6, 943:16, 

943:20, 960:19, 961:5, 979:7, 

980:5, 980:25, 983:7, 983:12

HONORABLE 862:18, 923:7

Hood 945:9, 945:15

hope 956:7, 956:9, 957:20, 

961:1

hopefully 952:7

hoping 979:17

Hospitals 932:24, 932:25, 

933:2, 933:4, 933:8, 933:10

hotel 925:1, 925:5

hotels 925:20

hour 931:10, 973:22, 981:11, 

983:17

hours 931:16

House 870:25, 882:22, 

910:2, 912:24, 954:2, 957:8, 

964:21

houses 917:10

Hudson 975:18

human 943:14

humanitarian 888:25, 918:6, 

918:7, 918:8, 971:11

hundred 875:24, 892:19, 

902:15

hunt 869:16, 880:10

hunting 948:20

hurt 892:25

husband 873:6, 873:18, 

873:20, 874:22, 893:22, 

894:1, 894:8, 932:20, 933:1, 

940:10, 948:23

< I >

ID 947:16, 947:24

idea 864:17, 971:14

ignorance 933:7

ignorant 920:1

illegal 883:7, 905:8, 935:10, 

960:1, 971:9, 971:12

illnesses 876:7

imagine 881:17

immediately 899:10

immigrants 927:6

immigrated 927:6

impact 865:1, 880:21, 917:3

impair 961:4

impartial 891:11, 894:12, 

897:3, 956:6, 963:5, 963:7, 

963:8, 967:25

impartially 887:6, 949:1

impersonation 948:5

implying 958:22

importance 975:13, 984:20

important 908:22, 936:21, 

955:10, 955:19, 957:15, 

973:4, 975:17

in. 976:21

inability 897:2

incarcerated 874:15, 874:16

incident 887:11

inclined 953:12

include 877:7, 981:8

included 881:19, 915:5

includes 915:11

India 952:18

indicate 937:4, 937:8

indicated 873:7, 919:19, 

979:1

individuals 957:16

Industrial 872:23

infer 961:3

inference 961:4

informant 947:25

information 919:25, 959:17, 

975:20, 975:25

informed 919:25

initial 977:20

innocence 879:3, 881:2, 

881:4, 892:20, 895:17, 899:1, 

928:2, 938:18, 941:13, 

957:12, 957:15, 960:23, 

961:11, 962:12, 963:2, 

966:11, 966:20

innocent 892:13, 942:8, 

951:15, 954:21, 955:7, 

966:15, 966:25, 967:4, 967:5

inquire 936:11

inquired 975:13

inspired 957:4

instance 893:5

instead 903:4, 974:13

Institute 875:12

instruct 914:25, 935:19, 

971:3, 971:5

instruction 877:15, 889:5, 

905:12, 915:6, 915:8, 915:24, 

971:20

instructions 876:15, 877:3, 

877:7, 888:12, 888:20, 915:1, 

915:3, 915:5, 935:3, 935:5, 

935:7, 935:19, 966:9, 970:22, 

971:1, 971:8

Instruments 885:4

insurance 933:6

intend 984:4

intended 865:8, 877:12

intent 866:1, 977:22, 978:12

interest 926:24

Interesting 958:7

intern 981:23

internet 881:25, 914:4

interpret 974:10

interview 952:24
invasion 891:21, 891:25

involve 926:17, 957:13

involved 867:17, 869:24, 

887:24, 895:11, 904:7, 

909:19, 947:23, 948:4, 949:5, 

970:6, 972:11, 975:2, 976:4

involvement 886:18

involves 867:16, 880:18, 

890:4, 890:22, 895:8, 905:2, 

906:11, 918:4, 938:25, 

951:11

involving 902:1, 917:21, 

948:17

Islam 910:3, 910:9

Israel 909:8, 910:6, 910:7, 

943:10

issue 888:11, 896:3, 896:4, 

897:3, 898:5, 901:10, 901:12, 

902:20, 902:21, 902:24, 

919:22, 964:23, 965:8, 965:9

issued 985:7

issues 902:6, 902:9, 902:13, 

902:25, 916:25, 920:7, 

947:12, 962:21, 963:5, 

975:25

items 877:11, 888:25, 905:4, 

935:13, 960:2, 971:11

< J >

J. 863:4

Jacks 862:25, 872:3, 872:7, 

873:6, 910:21, 912:13, 922:6, 

923:6, 930:20, 980:2, 980:23, 

983:11

Jackson 928:9

jail 883:15, 883:18

January 932:8

Japanese 958:14

Jarbo 973:8

Jim 862:25, 872:7, 910:21, 

922:5, 930:20

job 869:11, 880:5, 906:22, 

906:25, 914:7, 923:8, 923:24, 

925:2, 925:18, 927:2, 931:25, 

933:11, 963:15, 964:25, 

972:25

jobs 885:10

JOE 862:18

John 863:29, 977:25

join 903:7, 903:12, 941:3

Jonas 862:26, 903:22, 

903:24, 904:8, 904:12, 

904:15, 904:21, 905:2, 

905:14, 956:19, 956:21, 

957:9, 960:22, 961:7

Jones 863:30

JOSHUA 863:3, 863:5

Judge 869:6, 876:15, 877:2, 

877:6, 888:11, 888:22, 

895:25, 896:7, 902:16, 

902:21, 905:5, 909:10, 

914:25, 915:3, 915:24, 

931:17, 935:2, 959:23, 

965:13, 970:22, 971:2, 

971:19, 972:15, 974:24, 

977:6, 978:4

judged 868:22

judging 893:5, 949:1

judgment 868:24, 869:7

Judicial 986:11

jumped 966:6

June 972:13, 972:15

juries 939:6, 939:7, 939:10, 

946:11

juror 930:14, 936:11, 937:8, 

956:6, 960:3, 972:17, 978:20, 

981:7

Jurors 866:16, 891:7, 891:9, 

891:19, 891:20, 892:11, 

966:20, 973:3, 974:1, 975:7, 

975:11, 976:17, 977:1, 978:3, 

978:9, 978:19, 979:1, 979:2, 

979:4, 980:17, 980:20, 

982:18, 982:22

JUSTICE 862:30, 875:4, 

927:20, 949:5, 949:6, 955:12, 

969:12, 970:11

< K >

KABP 882:5

Kansas 933:2

Kaufman 885:21, 886:2, 

886:5, 886:10, 886:21, 

887:18

keep 902:18, 944:19, 979:21, 

979:24, 984:4

keeping 982:6

kept 876:7, 881:22, 948:10

Kiblinger 937:13, 961:16, 

973:21

kids 870:21, 871:7, 880:7, 

954:4

Kileen 945:8

Kind 869:18, 869:23, 872:20, 

880:13, 881:5, 882:3, 900:3, 

907:12, 917:2, 920:1, 930:24, 

941:6, 942:18, 944:11, 

960:25, 962:21, 974:4, 

977:20

King 911:25

knee 931:7

Knowing 891:1, 904:2, 917:1

knowingly 888:15, 888:23, 

905:13, 971:13

knowledge 920:1

known 939:15, 952:10, 

952:12

knows 936:11

KRLD 882:5

< L >

L. 863:5, 863:46, 986:3, 

986:15, 986:17

lack 942:12

Ladies 864:2, 973:14, 976:8

lady 928:23, 944:4

laid 960:23

Land 862:11, 867:15, 

867:17, 867:18, 867:19, 

878:11, 879:18, 890:5, 890:6, 

894:25, 895:1, 898:12, 905:3, 

906:9, 906:10, 914:19, 

917:22, 917:24, 918:3, 919:4, 

934:18, 938:5, 950:11, 962:2

language 935:8, 958:20

Last 864:7, 871:9, 872:13, 

886:11, 887:1, 894:24, 917:1, 

944:18, 985:7

lasted 965:19

lasting 972:21

later 896:15, 904:16, 916:5, 

923:11, 927:13, 928:14, 

960:12, 972:1

laundry 925:3

LAW 863:5, 863:15, 863:24, 

876:16, 877:8, 877:14, 

877:15, 877:16, 886:18, 
888:13, 888:14, 914:25, 

915:9, 915:14, 915:15, 

915:16, 915:21, 927:24, 

928:5, 928:6, 935:9, 935:14, 

935:16, 935:20, 947:8, 

959:24, 970:22, 971:17, 

980:6

Lawn 872:22

laws 892:11

lawyer 961:25

lawyers 867:13, 878:8, 

894:21, 897:12, 906:3, 938:2, 

950:4

lay 929:17

lead 876:19, 914:18

leads 869:14

learn 875:12, 959:18

learned 920:21, 942:14, 

975:9

learning 882:18, 975:1

least 910:1, 942:14, 979:18

leave 978:2, 980:17

leaves 936:14

led 948:1

leeriness 891:17

leery 891:14

left 867:4, 882:12, 882:13, 

940:11

legal 883:5, 927:16, 927:22

legally 927:18

Leone 899:16, 899:20

lesson 942:14

letter 965:12, 965:16, 972:7, 

973:11, 978:14, 981:10, 

982:25, 983:15

letterhead 972:12

level 946:25

life 883:10, 885:17, 909:25, 

917:3, 974:8

light 866:5

likely 971:2

likes 943:2

liking 880:5

limit 871:16

Lincoln 957:7

Linda 863:23, 863:24, 

889:24, 916:18, 929:8, 944:9, 

944:10, 945:1

lingering 970:16

list 866:1, 974:1, 974:6, 

974:10, 974:13, 974:15, 

975:12, 975:16, 975:19, 

975:24, 976:13, 977:24, 

978:1, 978:3, 978:5, 978:25, 

979:12, 979:21, 982:6, 

982:22

listen 878:2, 882:3, 882:8, 

882:9, 882:10, 889:18, 

893:19, 896:22, 903:3, 

905:23, 916:10, 928:19, 

936:5, 949:19, 960:16, 972:6

listened 882:11, 888:6

listening 965:22, 966:2

lists 873:7, 973:17, 976:2, 

976:5, 976:9, 977:14, 978:7, 

982:9

little 878:16, 885:10, 891:18, 

892:16, 897:19, 907:10, 

908:7, 919:1, 919:20, 920:20, 

924:4, 927:21, 947:19, 

951:23, 956:12, 966:3

live 869:4, 911:17, 911:19, 

924:14, 924:22, 924:24, 

930:1, 933:18, 933:19, 945:6, 

952:17, 957:2, 964:14

lived 885:16, 885:20, 904:2, 

909:25, 924:15, 932:10, 

945:4, 957:3, 968:14, 968:21

lives 945:2

living 913:6, 932:16, 932:18, 

934:14, 944:24, 952:6

local 900:18, 946:25

location 872:18, 984:9

Lockheed 901:15

long 873:9, 879:22, 883:11, 

887:19, 894:2, 897:20, 912:5, 

914:7, 917:11, 917:17, 919:9, 

925:15, 925:17, 927:4, 930:6, 

931:15, 932:7, 941:5, 945:13, 

946:3, 948:6, 950:10, 950:18, 

963:18, 965:3, 965:6, 965:17, 

975:21, 979:23, 981:11

longer 877:22, 889:13, 

893:14, 905:18, 916:24, 

935:25, 965:20

look 868:22, 868:23, 919:3, 

972:9

looked 960:25

Looking 869:11, 895:5, 

906:22, 906:24, 957:23, 

974:7

looks 885:15, 913:16, 944:6, 

968:8, 969:10

loose 948:11

Los 932:17

lose 897:17

loss 871:4

lost 972:23

lot 879:8, 891:15, 906:6, 

907:23, 914:10, 929:19, 

942:11, 944:4, 944:6, 953:11, 

953:16, 969:5, 969:10

lots 869:21

lounge 929:18

love 864:18, 880:8, 932:13

Loved 957:1

low 981:7

lower 931:2, 931:3

loyal 942:22

lunch 864:18, 865:4, 931:10, 

931:14, 976:6, 976:10

luncheon 973:15

< M >

ma'am 874:4, 878:4, 891:16, 

928:10, 928:20, 937:2, 

937:12, 949:21, 960:17, 

968:12, 969:6, 969:13, 

970:19, 971:15, 971:18, 

973:13

MADD 870:15

magazines 921:13

Magnet 926:2

main 907:25

Mainly 950:22

major 907:24

majored 907:17

Mallick 863:40

man 966:22

Manager 901:13, 932:21, 

965:4, 972:14, 972:23, 

972:24, 973:2

managing 940:12

manner 866:7, 984:14

manual 979:12

manually 975:15, 975:17, 

975:21, 975:24, 982:10

Maplethorp 908:25, 909:5

MARLO 863:14, 863:15
marriage 871:15

married 874:2, 903:10

Marshal 984:11, 985:3, 

985:5

Martin 901:15

material 867:18, 868:16, 

876:22, 878:20, 878:22, 

880:19, 880:20, 881:7, 

888:15, 890:22, 895:11, 

895:14, 898:17, 902:1, 

906:12, 914:21, 918:5, 

934:19, 935:9, 938:15, 

951:21, 962:15, 962:18, 

971:6

math 885:1

Matthews 894:16, 894:18, 

896:10, 896:12, 897:2, 897:7

Mcgahan 878:5, 884:1, 

884:3, 889:10

Mckinney 863:16

Meals 870:8

mean 896:1, 915:18, 941:18, 

955:16, 961:12

means 941:16, 977:16

meant 873:12, 974:1

meantime 896:15

mechanic 923:10

mechanics 875:13

media 867:24, 877:25, 

878:2, 889:16, 889:19, 

890:11, 893:17, 896:20, 

896:23, 898:20, 905:21, 

905:23, 916:8, 928:17, 

928:19, 936:3, 936:5, 949:17, 

960:15, 960:17, 972:4, 972:6, 

984:12, 984:21

Medical 877:11, 889:1, 

915:12, 929:11, 929:22, 

930:8, 933:9, 935:12, 936:18, 

940:23, 972:12, 972:14, 

973:8

medication 929:24, 929:25

medicine 918:7, 971:12

Medina 974:14, 974:17, 

974:20

meet 963:25

meeting 963:24

member 875:18, 876:6

members 875:22, 875:24, 

877:20, 877:21, 889:11, 

893:12, 896:13, 905:16, 

916:3, 928:12, 935:23, 949:5, 

949:13, 971:24

Memorial 957:7

men 867:17, 868:15, 880:18, 

895:11, 902:1, 905:4, 908:10, 

908:17, 914:20, 934:18, 

938:15, 938:25, 942:17, 

951:12, 951:20

mentioned 880:21, 886:17, 

886:18, 887:10, 888:14, 

898:15, 904:21, 941:9, 

944:21, 945:15, 945:19, 

945:22, 946:10, 947:11, 

947:15, 974:15, 978:7

Mercedes 875:12, 875:14

Mesquite 885:14

message 865:23

method 978:24, 980:14

Metro 972:12, 972:14, 973:8

Mexican 920:4

Mexico 927:6

Michael 949:7

Michelle 944:11

mid-morning 865:3

midday 973:15

Middle 871:14, 912:25, 

918:22

military 902:9, 902:25, 

903:1, 903:5, 903:7, 903:13, 

941:6, 945:13, 947:16, 

947:22, 968:22

mind 866:9, 867:2, 879:2, 

895:25, 903:3, 910:6, 920:23, 

921:3, 921:5, 922:10, 928:8, 

939:18, 943:6, 951:24, 

962:25

minded 901:5, 903:1

mine 907:6

minimum 866:23, 976:15

minority 919:23

minute 864:20

minutes 867:14, 890:1, 

906:4, 938:3, 950:5, 979:22, 

983:17

Miranda 936:12, 936:13, 

936:14, 936:25, 937:5

missions 900:5

mom 925:7, 927:13

moment 865:10, 865:17, 

932:13

moments 979:8

Monday 930:4, 979:19

money 878:18, 888:24, 

897:18, 905:4, 905:9, 905:10, 

905:11, 951:8, 960:1, 971:8, 

971:10

Monrovia 899:21

Montana 904:6

month 871:15, 883:11

months 871:9, 879:7, 885:5, 

910:14, 914:9, 917:1, 917:13, 

917:18, 929:11, 930:4, 

945:14, 950:21, 964:20, 

965:1, 974:8, 974:12

monument 957:4

monuments 953:17

Moreno 863:23, 863:24, 

889:23, 889:25, 905:25, 

906:2, 910:19, 910:21, 916:1, 

916:2, 916:18, 921:21, 929:8, 

981:17

Morgan 872:25

mosquito 901:8

Mostly 873:17, 880:9, 

899:17, 925:12, 940:13

mother 912:2, 969:14, 

969:16

Mothers 870:14, 870:16, 

870:24

motor 924:6

Mount 870:2, 875:19

move 894:11, 904:6, 928:22, 

931:15, 931:19, 933:11, 

937:7, 952:23, 980:20, 

983:18

Moved 885:22, 911:10, 

912:9, 912:12, 932:11, 

932:18, 974:3

MR. JONAS 956:25, 957:2, 

957:6, 957:21, 958:2, 958:6, 

958:8, 958:16, 958:25, 959:4, 

959:7, 959:10, 959:12, 

959:14, 959:18, 959:22, 

960:8, 961:8

MS. SHAPIRO 968:5, 

968:11, 968:13, 968:18, 

968:20, 968:23, 968:25, 

969:2, 969:5, 969:7, 969:10, 

969:14, 969:17, 969:19, 
969:22, 970:3, 970:6, 970:9, 

970:13, 970:16, 970:20, 

970:25, 971:16, 971:19, 

971:22

Mufid 863:11

municipal 939:7, 939:10, 

941:9

music 882:10

musically 953:12

Muslim 867:20, 868:15, 

878:21, 880:18, 890:4, 895:9, 

896:4, 897:3, 898:16, 902:1, 

906:11, 908:3, 908:10, 

908:17, 917:23, 938:13, 

938:25, 942:17, 942:23, 

951:12, 951:20, 962:18

Muslims 868:1, 868:6, 

868:15, 939:15, 952:8, 

952:10, 956:13, 963:9

Myself 871:5, 972:19

MYSLIWIEC 863:4

< N >

name 867:10, 872:7, 878:24, 

884:3, 889:24, 903:24, 906:3, 

910:21, 916:18, 922:5, 929:7, 

930:20, 936:25, 943:23, 

956:20, 968:5

namely 876:23, 934:20, 

978:17

names 977:4, 982:23

NANCY 862:41

Nathan 862:28, 884:3, 

943:23

nation 942:1, 955:12

National 916:22, 919:7, 

922:16, 923:8, 923:19, 

947:21, 947:22

nature 935:9, 971:12

Navy 899:11

near 952:16

necessarily 927:11, 961:12

necessary 955:22, 979:4

need 865:1, 865:21, 868:21, 

871:7, 891:17, 891:19, 

891:23, 901:19, 912:17, 

929:11, 930:12, 934:2, 955:6, 

976:15, 977:3, 984:6, 984:14, 

984:15, 984:17, 984:19, 

984:20, 985:4

needed 865:25, 903:9, 

908:2, 964:21, 974:25

needless 879:8

needs 869:2

negative 917:3

neighborhood 870:20

neither 940:2, 974:3

Nervous 950:7, 954:17

net 951:1, 977:7

nets 901:8

New 863:7, 870:2, 875:18, 

884:18, 884:20, 959:19, 

972:20

news 877:1, 878:16, 878:25, 

879:2, 882:8, 888:19, 895:6, 

895:16, 899:6, 913:24, 914:4, 

918:16, 934:23, 934:24, 

938:11, 950:17, 950:19

newspaper 936:4

Newspapers 878:1, 879:9, 

889:17, 890:18, 893:18, 

896:21, 905:22, 914:1, 916:8, 

928:18, 949:18, 950:24, 

950:25, 960:15, 972:5

next 867:5, 871:15, 895:20, 

904:19, 937:13, 961:17

Night 864:8, 871:1, 880:14, 

884:16, 985:7

Nikon 907:13, 907:14

nine 865:19, 917:18, 931:9, 

982:15

nine. 979:16

NM 862:46

nods 910:10

noncitizen 920:3, 920:7, 

927:16, 928:24

noncitizens 882:23, 919:17, 

927:10

None 866:24, 868:13, 972:25

noon 866:3, 931:10, 973:14, 

973:22

Nor 942:23

normally 893:24, 960:4

North 933:19, 969:1

NORTHERN 862:2, 862:31, 

872:8, 910:22, 930:21, 

986:19

nosey 887:4, 920:21

note 981:2, 981:5, 981:25

notes 974:3, 976:20

Nothing 869:17, 870:22, 

910:5

notice 873:23, 884:8, 985:7

noticed 947:6

Number 862:5, 866:9, 867:2, 

897:14, 929:10, 939:12, 

974:6, 974:15, 978:16, 979:6

numbers 866:10, 867:3, 

947:10

numerical 978:21, 979:18

NY 863:7

< O >

o'clock 865:19, 865:25, 

973:16, 976:6, 979:25, 

982:15, 982:16, 982:24

Oak 872:22

objected 985:10

objection 894:13, 894:14, 

928:25, 982:19, 985:9

objections 897:5

observed 887:25

obviously 901:25, 977:12

occupation 931:23

Occupied 918:9, 918:23

occurs 976:2

Odeh 863:36

Office 863:5, 863:15, 863:24, 

865:25, 869:21, 872:19, 

872:22, 872:23, 873:17, 

876:4, 876:5, 884:5, 912:14, 

917:15, 933:17, 945:24, 

973:2, 975:10

officer 933:3

officers 948:9

offices 872:13, 926:5

official 986:5

often 898:3

oil 885:7, 885:9

Okay 867:8, 871:10, 871:11, 

871:17, 881:10, 885:22, 

891:13, 896:24, 906:5, 

910:14, 916:21, 918:10, 

924:3, 927:23, 937:20, 

937:23, 938:1, 938:23, 942:5, 

943:4, 944:1, 945:15, 947:13, 

947:14, 950:6, 964:25, 965:9, 

980:22, 983:9
old 884:18, 903:11, 922:16, 

959:19, 964:12, 964:21, 

969:22

older 913:3, 959:16

Once 943:7, 984:5

One. 884:20, 900:7, 964:13, 

969:6

ones 931:3

open 875:16, 908:1, 908:7, 

985:1

opener 900:7

operating 866:11

opinion 869:6, 869:7, 

892:23, 895:17, 902:9, 

902:12, 921:20, 921:23, 

921:24, 951:14, 963:2, 

983:16

opinions 879:3, 891:10, 

899:1, 902:15, 902:16, 

918:21, 919:5, 938:17, 

962:12

opportunity 974:23, 980:3

opposed 982:10, 982:15

option 922:21

order 865:20, 912:17, 935:4, 

966:17, 975:7, 975:14, 

975:19, 978:22, 979:5, 

979:18, 982:7, 982:18, 985:8

orders 912:15

organization 867:19, 876:23, 

877:4, 877:6, 877:10, 877:13, 

878:20, 880:20, 888:16, 

888:22, 888:24, 889:3, 

895:15, 898:18, 902:2, 

904:24, 905:7, 906:13, 

914:22, 915:8, 915:11, 

918:14, 934:20, 935:7, 

935:10, 935:14, 951:13, 

959:25, 962:16, 962:20, 

971:4, 971:7, 971:9, 971:14

Organizing 870:21

orientation 985:1

originally 946:2

Others 871:6, 892:1, 946:23, 

948:17, 955:9, 982:9

otherwise 877:10, 935:11, 

979:14

ought 942:17

ounce 874:10

ounces 874:10

outside 904:1, 912:3, 

922:12, 925:8, 954:1, 958:10

overnight 983:24

override 975:12

overseas 945:17, 945:18

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921:23, 924:22, 932:25, 

944:12, 948:7, 952:16, 

952:19, 976:13, 976:20

owners 946:1

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P. 863:15

page 865:11

Pages 986:7

paid 897:18

pain 929:20, 929:21, 930:8, 

931:3

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882:19, 899:4, 908:14, 

918:18

Palestinians 919:4

panel 864:13, 864:16, 

877:20, 971:24, 973:18, 

983:25, 984:4

paper 881:24, 906:17, 

938:11, 959:13

papers 922:18, 923:2

Parcel 879:13

parents 904:4, 909:25, 

920:10, 927:6, 958:13

part 912:7, 915:15, 915:16, 

915:20, 931:25, 932:15, 

956:15

parte 985:9

partial 962:23

partially 971:10

participate 981:6

Participated 967:12

particular 936:11, 937:8

particularly 939:25

parties 867:7, 878:6, 889:22, 

894:17, 897:10, 906:1, 

914:23, 916:15, 929:5, 

937:16, 949:24, 961:19, 

974:24, 975:20, 981:25, 

983:19, 984:2, 984:8

Paso 933:2

Pass 893:7, 922:24, 930:14

passed 976:9

passing 900:25, 927:24

past 956:24, 973:4

Pat 893:25

patience 872:4, 878:10, 

884:7, 889:9, 904:1, 910:25, 

922:11, 929:7

patient 884:14

Patricia 867:5

Paul 872:23

pay 899:10

paying 984:21

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883:16, 886:19, 886:23, 

974:14

People 865:25, 866:20, 

867:1, 868:6, 869:21, 869:22, 

876:21, 900:14, 902:18, 

903:4, 908:3, 926:10, 942:8, 

942:11, 942:23, 942:24, 

952:13, 955:8, 955:13, 

963:14, 963:15, 963:24, 

963:25, 967:20, 974:2, 

975:14, 975:22, 978:2, 978:6, 

978:16, 982:10

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percent 892:19, 902:15

peremptory 976:16, 982:1, 

983:19

perennial 907:17

perform 963:25

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period 934:8, 941:2, 965:6

periodic 930:5

periods 930:6

personal 871:4, 893:21

personally 981:24

persons 973:17, 973:25, 

976:21

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Philippines 958:11, 958:13

phone 873:7, 873:12, 977:5

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Photo 914:16

photographer 906:25

photographs 926:18

photography 906:20, 907:4, 

907:6, 907:20, 907:25, 

914:10, 914:11
physical 923:23

picked 958:4, 972:20

Piwoni 973:19, 978:8

Place 865:23, 885:6, 902:7, 

911:18, 912:11, 933:5, 948:8, 

959:19, 972:22

places 872:12, 899:15, 

899:18, 903:17, 947:11

plan 866:5

planning 982:13

Plano 933:10, 934:15

plans 897:15, 897:22, 

974:19, 974:21

PLATT 863:39

Play 880:7, 964:9

Plaza 862:45

plead 874:19

Pleasant 868:9, 868:10, 

909:24

Please 965:8, 973:7

pleasure 947:4

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plus 866:13, 866:17

PO 863:25

point 907:10, 982:4, 984:20

pointed 984:23, 984:25

points 983:14

poker 880:7

Police 932:3, 937:6, 948:5, 

948:9, 948:11, 966:6

Polite 952:25, 953:1

politics 918:25, 919:3

pool 886:8, 889:11, 893:12, 

896:13, 905:16, 916:3, 924:6, 

928:12, 935:23, 949:13, 

960:10, 978:19, 979:8, 

980:11

Pope 942:13

position 869:16, 869:18, 

875:13, 961:7, 961:8, 980:9

possession 881:7

possibility 952:6

possible 904:20, 937:5, 

938:19

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poverty 900:11

pre-existing 974:19

prepare 975:24

prepared 976:13

prescribed 986:11

present 914:24

presented 868:23, 914:23, 

935:2

President 973:8

press 890:8, 890:11, 917:24, 

984:12

presumed 954:21

presumption 881:2, 881:4, 

892:19, 928:2, 941:13, 

957:12, 957:15, 957:18, 

960:23, 960:24, 961:11, 

966:10, 966:20

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Pretty 868:8, 881:9, 914:13, 

928:23, 952:6, 964:2, 977:16, 

979:9

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previously 975:6, 978:25

primarily 873:13, 918:9, 

918:22

Prince 937:14, 937:15, 

937:18, 943:19, 943:21, 

949:12, 976:3

principal 914:19

prior 885:24, 885:25, 886:18, 

946:15

prison 902:18, 942:8, 

942:12, 948:1, 958:14, 

969:20, 969:23

Pritchard 977:25

privacy 891:22

privilege 893:6

Probably 865:19, 866:22, 

878:9, 881:10, 882:19, 

894:23, 902:8, 904:18, 914:9, 

931:13, 935:25, 943:12, 

965:14, 965:19, 968:16, 

969:25, 970:1, 975:3, 980:19, 

983:16, 985:4

probation 874:12, 874:13, 

887:16, 948:21

problem 872:6, 883:23, 

887:22, 889:6, 906:8, 931:21, 

934:10, 934:12, 955:25, 

956:2, 959:3, 961:9, 965:4, 

965:5, 971:16, 981:15

problems 871:12, 871:13, 

873:16, 887:6, 936:18

proceedings 864:23, 982:7, 

984:7, 986:4, 986:6

process 877:19, 877:22, 

889:10, 889:13, 893:11, 

893:13, 896:12, 896:14, 

905:15, 905:18, 916:2, 

928:11, 928:14, 935:22, 

935:25, 949:12, 960:10, 

960:11, 970:7, 971:23, 972:1, 

983:19, 983:25, 985:10

product 907:2

program 914:14

programs 911:23, 912:1

prolonged 981:8

promotion 965:4

proof 881:2, 966:10

properly 912:1

properties 953:3

proposed 983:6

prosecutors 872:9, 884:6, 

910:23, 922:7, 943:25, 

956:21, 968:6

prospect 974:11

prospective 972:17

protection 919:17, 942:16, 

942:18, 955:9, 961:10

protections 881:6, 881:15, 

928:4, 942:9, 955:3, 955:10, 

955:18, 955:25, 957:11, 

966:14, 967:3

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967:6

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proven 892:13, 954:21, 

955:6, 966:16

proves 941:22, 942:20

provide 964:17

provided 888:15, 934:19

provides 877:8

providing 876:20, 876:22, 

914:21

pry 887:4

PT 923:24

publicity 984:24

pulled 948:8

pulls 926:11

punishment 941:11, 970:15

purchasing 912:19

purpose 883:2, 985:3

push 977:3

pushing 891:20, 892:2, 
979:25

put 876:13, 883:20, 892:18, 

898:1, 933:4, 937:25, 942:8, 

942:12, 951:14, 958:8, 

958:11, 958:16, 974:12, 

974:14, 976:20, 977:4, 

978:10, 978:13, 981:9, 985:8

putting 924:2, 974:8, 976:22, 

982:23, 983:2

puzzled 936:15

< Q >

Qaeda 951:10, 951:13

qualified 982:2

Question 865:6, 866:19, 

893:20, 897:14, 909:18, 

915:19, 915:20, 919:16, 

919:18, 927:9, 930:6, 944:4, 

962:24, 975:23, 979:11, 

981:10

questioned 980:20

questionnaire 869:9, 

885:16, 890:3, 897:14, 

897:25, 898:14, 913:16, 

916:20, 919:15, 929:15, 

937:4, 945:3, 945:20, 946:11, 

947:6, 958:9

questions 867:7, 871:18, 

871:24, 872:11, 878:6, 884:1, 

889:22, 890:1, 893:9, 894:17, 

896:10, 897:10, 903:22, 

903:25, 906:1, 910:11, 

910:19, 911:1, 916:15, 

916:19, 922:3, 922:9, 929:5, 

929:9, 930:16, 930:23, 

937:16, 943:19, 944:1, 

949:24, 956:17, 956:22, 

957:24, 961:19, 968:4, 968:8, 

973:7

quick 884:7

quickly 885:1, 977:16, 979:9, 

983:18

quiet 953:1

Quite 879:5, 901:16, 953:12

< R >

radio 878:1, 882:1, 882:3, 

889:18, 893:18, 896:22, 

905:22, 916:9, 928:18, 936:4, 

949:18, 960:16, 972:5

raided 962:8

raise 865:6

Raised 911:2, 922:13, 

932:17, 945:10, 954:4, 

976:17

ran 905:4, 966:7

randomization 979:13

randomizes 975:12, 982:11

range 882:6, 954:10, 977:17

ranges 941:11, 954:8

rather 897:17, 979:13, 

979:15

re 972:13

reach 979:24, 980:4

reached 958:3

reaction 959:20

read 876:15, 878:2, 889:18, 

890:19, 890:21, 893:19, 

896:22, 905:23, 906:16, 

914:1, 915:1, 916:9, 918:1, 

928:19, 935:2, 936:5, 938:11, 

949:19, 958:20, 960:17, 

972:6, 972:10, 978:15, 983:5

reader 881:24

ready 871:15, 898:22, 900:2, 

937:13, 961:16

real 870:22, 924:16, 926:25, 

940:14, 970:4

realize 976:9, 977:6

realtor 927:1

reason 964:19, 974:14, 

976:18, 981:8

reasonable 881:3, 941:22

recall 876:12, 876:16, 

890:12

receive 911:8, 970:15

received 864:12, 897:24, 

933:24, 948:21

recently 890:15, 912:9, 

934:21, 938:7, 938:8, 965:3, 

969:25

Recess 865:4, 866:3, 

916:13, 973:16, 976:6, 976:7, 

980:1

recessed 978:15

recommends 981:6

recomputation 976:16

record 937:3, 978:15, 983:5, 

983:13, 985:8

recorded 865:23, 923:2

reduction 946:8

referred 876:20, 918:17

reflect 865:3, 976:25

reflecting 983:23

refugees 899:21, 899:24, 

900:6, 903:18, 903:19

regard 891:24, 934:16, 

977:15

Regarding 865:6, 875:2, 

891:1, 927:9, 947:7

regardless 903:11, 905:8

regroup 934:13

regular 866:19, 875:25, 

876:6, 914:2, 923:5, 979:2

regularly 880:11

regulars 964:4

rehabilitate 936:20

reiterate 984:20

relationship 936:14, 936:22

Relief 898:12, 900:22, 901:3, 

929:18, 938:6

religion 910:9, 942:12

rely 959:5, 959:8

relying 958:21, 959:1

remain 894:2, 972:10

remember 878:15, 878:17, 

880:22, 883:3, 883:13, 

888:17, 946:22, 954:25, 

962:10, 966:9, 970:23

remote 984:9, 985:2

rent 952:22

rental 953:3

repair 924:9

repeat 930:24

repeating 945:11

replace 931:7, 973:2, 

978:21, 979:4

replacement 931:7

report 865:25, 972:16, 

984:18

reported 974:16, 975:4, 

976:10

REPORTER 863:46, 986:5, 

986:18

representing 872:9, 884:6, 

910:24, 922:8, 930:22, 968:6

require 979:15

required 892:20
reserve 899:18, 919:10

residences 982:14

resident 883:5, 927:16, 

927:22

residential 917:9

respect 970:21

responded 975:16

response 865:15, 956:1, 

977:20

responsibility 936:20, 963:1

responsible 871:8

result 888:23, 934:22

resume 973:24

retain 959:16

retired 932:11, 932:12, 

953:21, 953:23

retiring 946:9

retribution 952:4

review 973:22

Richardson 867:20, 878:22, 

879:20, 895:9, 938:10, 

938:12, 938:13

Richland 874:1

rid 959:19

ride 880:12

RIFT 946:8

rights 882:24, 893:1, 919:23, 

920:8, 920:13, 920:25, 921:7, 

927:11, 927:20, 927:21, 

928:24

rigs 885:7

ring 895:1, 898:13, 898:19, 

906:13, 950:12

risk 973:6

Rm 863:47

Robert 908:25, 909:5, 

936:11, 936:25, 937:5

room 972:16, 974:18, 984:5

rose 865:17

Ross 885:18

route 879:18

row 931:18

rude 947:13

ruling 865:9, 865:21, 866:20

rulings 977:15

run 879:7, 887:8, 911:25, 

984:12

running 926:18

runs 912:1, 925:1

Russell 929:4, 930:16, 

930:18, 935:22, 936:24

rustling 948:18, 948:20

< S >

s/cassidi 986:15

Sachse 932:2, 933:18

Saint 872:23

sake 973:19

sales 926:25

Sam 945:16

San 863:33, 932:18

Sanders 867:5, 867:6, 

871:24, 872:1, 877:18, 

877:19

sat 888:6, 970:21

satisfactory 977:19

Saturday 898:8

saving 973:19

saw 887:10, 890:17, 893:23, 

899:15, 981:10

saying 869:4, 878:17, 

892:17, 921:23, 927:12, 

947:9

says 894:1, 918:12, 923:3, 

969:19

scanned 960:25

scary 952:1

School 870:21, 875:10, 

875:11, 885:4, 907:5, 911:5, 

911:6, 911:15, 912:25, 

914:13, 914:14, 922:22, 

923:15, 925:25, 932:5, 932:6, 

980:6

schools 905:9

science 907:19

Scratch 942:5

SEAL 899:13

search 914:7

seat 931:18

seated 972:10, 982:18

second 888:6, 956:8

seconds 865:14

secretarial 869:19

Section 985:6

secure 952:6

security 901:20, 901:23

seeing 871:5, 880:8

Seem 953:1

seems 892:22, 903:11, 

955:24, 984:1

seen 897:22, 965:16, 972:8, 

972:11

selected 877:21, 888:11, 

889:12, 893:13, 896:14, 

905:17, 916:4, 928:13, 

935:24, 949:14, 960:11, 

971:25

selection 975:3

selling 947:24

send 888:24

sending 878:17, 971:8

senior 894:5, 953:24

sense 899:7, 903:12, 903:14, 

966:19, 970:9

sent 918:6, 918:9, 971:13

September 893:23

Serve 888:11, 941:1, 970:20, 

973:3, 973:12, 974:1, 974:9, 

978:3, 978:17, 982:3, 982:22, 

983:7

served 886:1, 886:8, 946:11, 

957:25, 969:19, 973:4, 

981:23

server 925:10, 925:12

Service 868:18, 873:4, 

879:14, 885:24, 885:25, 

910:15, 917:16, 930:9, 

946:15, 961:5, 964:1

serving 874:8, 874:13, 

888:3, 974:5, 974:12

session 865:18, 898:6, 

983:10, 985:1

set 887:2, 896:7, 897:3, 

902:16, 902:21

Setting 923:23

seven 866:15, 866:17, 

963:20, 970:2

seven. 912:6

seventeen 903:8

Several 933:1, 947:11, 

972:19, 973:3

sexual 965:18, 966:1

SHAPIRO 862:27, 893:10, 

894:13, 894:14, 896:11, 

897:6, 968:6, 968:15

share 951:23, 976:18

shoot 907:10

Shop 914:16

short 875:14, 934:8, 945:8
shorten 864:22

shortly 978:15

shot 907:9

shots 907:2

shouldn't 920:24, 955:9

show 983:4

showed 966:6

shown 978:1, 978:3, 986:6

shows 882:9, 882:11

Shrum 974:7, 981:1

Shukri 862:38

side 864:8, 864:16, 865:13, 

866:11, 901:19, 927:2, 974:3, 

980:10, 980:23

sides 876:13, 930:11, 935:2, 

957:22, 957:23, 977:11, 

977:19

Sierra 899:16, 899:20

sightseeing 900:19

signed 922:18

similar 927:17

simply 865:8

Single 875:7, 875:8, 948:7

sir 864:4, 864:10, 868:2, 

868:4, 874:9, 875:20, 884:22, 

889:19, 896:19, 898:4, 

905:24, 931:24, 950:13, 

956:19, 962:14, 963:10, 

963:12, 963:22, 964:3, 

964:24, 966:12, 967:9, 

967:16, 971:21, 979:17, 

985:12

sister 969:9

Sisters 913:1, 967:11, 969:7

sit 864:25, 873:15, 892:2, 

892:6, 894:23, 926:7, 931:15, 

949:1, 968:1, 981:11

site 985:2

sites 900:20

sits 926:10

sitting 887:6, 891:3, 894:24, 

904:4, 929:16, 930:5, 967:22, 

967:24, 981:8

situation 887:8, 887:12, 

893:21, 894:4, 894:9, 937:9

situations 865:7

six 864:8, 864:13, 864:15, 

866:11, 866:12, 866:13, 

885:3, 886:11, 912:6, 945:14, 

977:8, 977:19, 984:6

six. 979:10

Skyline 911:6

slash 872:25, 974:24

sleeping 901:7

slightly 976:14

small 873:21, 874:9, 964:3, 

965:5, 972:18, 973:5

smart 942:3

smarter 942:4

society 973:5

Soft 880:14

solely 958:21

solid 961:3

Somebody 893:5, 904:6, 

913:22, 939:20, 942:20

somehow 918:13, 980:7

someone 909:4, 918:15, 

921:22, 943:2, 947:25, 

957:11, 957:23, 964:18, 

965:6

sometime 887:11

Sometimes 870:8, 914:6, 

918:17, 924:8, 943:10, 

959:15

somewhat 981:5

somewhere 866:22

son 874:5, 874:8, 947:16

sooner 866:4

Sorry 887:4, 903:17, 954:15

sorts 889:1

Sound 939:6, 939:8, 943:2

sounded 941:7

sounds 896:2, 980:22

source 898:24

Southland 912:21, 945:23

space 983:16

speaking 883:23, 921:22, 

930:5, 943:6, 960:20

special 876:3

specifically 878:21, 906:13, 

914:22, 951:5

speech 869:1, 908:21, 

909:13, 921:12, 921:14, 

921:15, 921:18, 943:3

spending 882:17

spent 897:13, 906:7, 958:14, 

971:10

split 922:21

spoke 893:25, 960:22, 978:9

spoken 973:6

sports 964:10

spouse 948:17, 958:10

Springs 873:21

square 964:23

St 863:31

stand 931:19, 955:5

standards 922:24

standing 982:5

start 931:9, 940:9, 959:16, 

979:15, 984:17

started 873:25, 927:2, 932:8

starting 885:14, 977:24

state 903:18, 946:24

stated 876:19

statement 877:4, 877:7, 

915:6, 971:17

statements 909:8, 943:9, 

943:10, 943:13

STATES 862:1, 862:5, 

862:29, 862:30, 867:15, 

872:8, 877:5, 878:11, 880:22, 

881:19, 884:4, 884:5, 884:6, 

895:1, 898:11, 906:10, 909:9, 

910:22, 912:16, 915:9, 

921:12, 922:6, 928:4, 930:21, 

935:9, 938:5, 941:12, 943:11, 

943:24, 949:2, 952:7, 958:11, 

959:25, 962:2, 971:5, 986:12, 

986:18

station 868:7, 895:20

stationed 945:9

stations 882:7

status 982:2

statutory 864:14

stay 926:22, 979:18

stenotypy 986:5

step-grandchildren 940:6

stepchildren 944:14, 

944:15, 947:7

stole 947:23

stopped 946:5

Stopping 868:7

store 912:7

stores 912:17

story 904:25

straight 979:21

straightforward 942:21

Street 862:33, 863:6, 863:47

stress 929:13

stressful 900:11
stretch 931:20

strikes 864:8, 864:12, 

864:14, 864:16, 866:11, 

866:15, 975:6, 977:1, 977:8, 

977:9, 977:19, 977:20, 

979:10, 980:11, 980:12, 

980:14, 981:17

strongly 893:2, 893:3

struck 978:24, 980:14

stuck 907:6

students 952:17

studied 910:3

studio 908:1

study 968:25

stuff 869:23, 880:9, 924:3, 

924:5, 941:11, 950:19, 962:9, 

967:17

subject 881:18, 893:15, 

896:16, 969:2

submit 897:2, 937:10, 

960:20, 961:5

submitted 898:2, 898:3

substance 874:11, 874:12

substantially 961:4

suffered 871:3

suffering 893:1

sufficient 881:5, 936:19

suggested 866:6, 866:7

suing 913:22

Suite 862:45, 863:16, 863:41

Sulfur 873:21

summarize 865:10

summer 919:14, 922:22, 

922:23, 956:24

Summit 863:41

summoned 913:10, 913:20, 

972:16

summons 913:13, 933:24

Sunday 876:1, 897:23, 898:8

superiors 923:4

supplied 905:4

supplies 877:12, 889:1, 

903:16, 915:12, 935:12

Supply 899:20, 899:23, 

900:4

support 867:18, 868:16, 

876:22, 878:20, 878:22, 

880:19, 880:20, 881:7, 

888:16, 888:24, 890:22, 

891:2, 895:12, 895:15, 

898:17, 902:2, 906:12, 

914:21, 918:5, 934:19, 

935:10, 938:15, 951:21, 

960:1, 960:3, 962:16, 962:19, 

971:6, 971:7

supporting 908:11

suppose 881:14, 974:9

supposed 881:1, 922:23, 

923:10, 926:9

Supposedly 904:23

surf 951:1

surfing 951:3

surgeries 929:10

Susan 975:17

suspect 916:4

sustain 977:23

switch 907:15

system 865:24, 875:4, 

927:20, 949:6, 955:12, 

969:12, 970:11, 975:2, 

975:10, 975:11, 975:13, 

977:5, 982:11, 982:24, 

983:22

< T >

table 865:16, 866:6, 904:5, 

961:1

tabulated 973:23

tabulation 973:17, 973:18

tacked 944:11

Tail 880:14

talked 942:16, 973:17, 

975:8, 975:14

talks 882:12

Tampa 863:26

taught 914:12

Tax 917:15

team 962:1

Technical 875:12

technician 873:7, 873:12

teenagers 870:25

telephone 865:24

television 878:1, 889:17, 

893:18, 896:21, 905:22, 

916:9, 928:18, 936:4, 949:18, 

960:16, 972:5

temp 869:15

Ten 903:9, 925:16, 979:15, 

982:14, 982:16

tennis 977:7

tentatively 984:16

TERESA 862:42

term 941:14, 948:19

termination 972:24

terms 875:21, 977:18

Territories 918:10, 918:23

terrorism 868:16, 868:17, 

881:8, 890:23, 891:2, 892:8, 

892:10, 892:14, 893:3, 896:3, 

903:2, 908:17, 918:5, 939:1, 

942:17, 951:8, 951:21, 955:4, 

955:9, 955:11, 955:19, 

957:13, 957:14, 957:16, 

960:22, 961:12

terrorism-related 967:3

terrorist 867:19, 876:23, 

877:6, 877:9, 877:13, 878:20, 

880:20, 888:16, 888:21, 

889:2, 895:15, 898:18, 902:2, 

904:23, 905:6, 906:12, 

914:22, 915:7, 915:11, 

918:13, 934:19, 935:6, 

935:10, 935:13, 951:12, 

956:15, 959:25, 962:16, 

962:19, 971:3, 971:7, 971:9, 

971:13

terrorists 956:14

test 902:15

TEXAS 862:2, 862:31, 

862:34, 863:17, 863:42, 

863:48, 872:9, 873:21, 885:4, 

885:14, 895:10, 910:23, 

911:10, 930:22, 933:11, 

934:3, 938:13, 945:8, 968:20, 

968:21, 969:1, 986:19

Thanks 906:6

Thanksgiving 870:7

theft 881:6, 947:16

themselves 869:3, 979:1

thinking 864:7, 909:17, 

921:6

Third 900:10

Thirteen 873:1

thirty 865:14, 983:17

thirty-eight 945:4

thirty-five 940:6, 940:7, 

944:16

thirty-one 874:5

thirty-one. 866:18, 875:6
though 892:9, 957:13

thousand 875:24

three 864:16, 865:25, 

875:24, 880:8, 884:9, 885:4, 

886:10, 887:20, 911:10, 

914:9, 917:13, 919:10, 931:1, 

974:8, 977:8, 977:18, 979:10, 

979:25, 982:24

three. 864:15

threshhold 976:15

throughout 907:7

Thursday 898:5, 898:7, 

904:17, 904:19, 930:4

tickets 897:20

timing 978:8

tires 924:4

title 868:16, 868:17, 895:14, 

924:18, 939:1, 957:14, 

962:17

today 865:22, 866:19, 872:4, 

877:23, 889:13, 893:1, 

893:14, 894:8, 896:15, 

905:18, 916:5, 928:14, 

935:25, 949:15, 960:12, 

961:21, 961:24, 972:1, 

974:20

together 866:4, 866:18, 

975:18, 984:11

tomorrow 865:19, 865:20, 

866:1, 975:21, 979:13, 

980:21, 982:7

took 904:24, 930:1, 931:14, 

933:4, 948:10, 953:6, 962:9, 

986:5

total 866:13, 866:18, 946:14

totality 948:23

touched 881:20

tour 922:20

toured 953:17

Towards 870:24, 902:9, 

966:22

Tower 863:40

Towers 880:23

town 873:21, 912:7, 982:14

Townview 926:2

Train 880:14, 884:16

training 919:11, 923:23, 

940:23

transcribed 986:6

transcript 986:8, 986:10

transferred 874:1

translation 958:22, 959:5, 

959:8

translations 958:19

translator 958:21, 959:1, 

959:5, 959:8

translators 900:17

transported 984:13

travel 897:15, 932:11, 

953:13, 953:14, 953:15, 

974:19, 974:21

treated 875:3, 888:1, 928:1, 

949:6, 970:10, 970:12

trial 871:9, 872:10, 874:19, 

874:21, 876:9, 883:11, 887:1, 

887:15, 891:1, 893:2, 893:16, 

898:22, 902:17, 910:24, 

916:25, 922:8, 931:18, 

938:25, 961:14, 972:11, 

972:21

trials 958:4

trouble 896:4

truck 900:25

true 966:16, 986:8

truly 957:18, 973:8

Try 864:25, 866:7, 869:3, 

924:2, 928:7, 929:18, 936:19, 

942:10, 944:19, 950:8, 

953:13, 984:1

trying 869:16, 870:15, 927:3, 

934:11

Tuesday 890:18, 898:21, 

926:8, 979:19, 984:17

Turn 957:7, 958:2

TV 898:25, 917:24, 950:25

Twelve 866:14, 866:15, 

866:16, 866:17, 984:5

twenty 897:22, 922:17, 

968:16

twenty-five 875:24

twenty-four 864:12

twenty-one 874:5

Twenty-three 879:23, 

884:23, 946:4

Two 874:4, 874:10, 883:9, 

887:20, 911:13, 919:14, 

946:11, 946:18, 950:9, 

955:14, 969:17, 972:18, 

978:6

TXU 953:25

type 915:13, 973:19

types 935:13

Typically 975:22

typing 976:4, 978:8

< U >

UN 900:25

unattended 894:2

uncle 969:24, 969:25

unclear 976:11

uncles 969:11

uncomfortable 929:16, 

965:22, 966:2, 966:3

undercover 947:25

understand 865:2, 874:18, 

889:3, 892:9, 915:18, 927:23, 

958:17, 959:18, 971:14, 

974:4, 977:7, 980:8

understanding 936:12, 

977:10, 980:4

understands 982:12

understood 984:18

undue 972:22, 973:6

unemployed 869:10

unfamiliarity 983:21

Unfortunately 983:1

Union 963:19, 964:2, 965:5, 

972:12, 972:14, 972:18

Union. 973:9

UNITED 862:1, 862:5, 

862:29, 862:30, 867:15, 

872:8, 875:12, 877:5, 878:11, 

879:13, 880:22, 881:19, 

884:4, 884:5, 884:6, 895:1, 

898:11, 906:10, 909:9, 

910:22, 915:9, 921:12, 922:6, 

928:4, 930:21, 935:8, 938:5, 

941:12, 943:11, 943:24, 

949:1, 952:7, 958:10, 959:25, 

962:2, 967:16, 971:4, 986:12, 

986:18

universe 977:12, 977:14

University 969:1

Unless 883:17, 918:15, 

941:21

UNT 924:13

Until 872:16, 877:23, 889:14, 

892:13, 893:14, 896:15, 

905:18, 916:5, 928:14, 
929:14, 936:1, 938:7, 941:21, 

941:24, 942:20, 949:15, 

954:21, 955:7, 960:12, 

966:15, 966:25, 967:5, 972:1, 

973:16, 975:22, 976:6

unused 984:24

unwieldy 984:1

UPS 879:15, 879:22, 884:23, 

885:2, 885:11

uses 905:9

UTA 952:17, 952:20

< V >

vague 962:24

van 984:11

various 945:20

Vegas 897:21

vehicles 924:4

verdicts 958:3

verify 981:22

VERSUS 862:8, 867:15, 

878:11, 895:1, 898:11, 

906:10, 938:5, 962:2

vertebrae 931:2

victim 948:13

view 978:14, 983:10

violation 915:14, 935:14

virtually 881:19

visit 953:11, 956:22

visiting 880:7

VOIR 862:17, 865:18, 

866:24, 980:18, 980:20, 

983:10

VOLUME 862:16

volunteer 870:4, 954:14

volunteered 903:17

volunteering 899:17

< W >

waited 884:15

waiting 875:15, 894:24, 

897:13, 904:1, 906:7, 911:1, 

922:12, 924:1, 950:9, 961:25

walking 948:7

Wall 863:6, 973:15

wanted 865:6, 908:1, 937:3, 

975:20, 976:11, 976:18, 

976:19, 981:1

wanting 866:12, 901:6, 

910:12

wants 891:9, 909:4, 938:4, 

981:18

Washington 953:17, 953:18, 

956:23, 957:2, 957:4

watch 878:2, 889:18, 893:19, 

896:22, 905:23, 916:9, 

928:19, 936:5, 938:11, 

949:19, 953:13, 960:16, 

972:6

water 885:7

ways 939:13

weather 904:12

weddings 907:1

Wednesday 972:16, 979:19

week 926:9, 934:25, 965:20, 

982:19

weekend 922:25, 982:14

weekends 880:16, 919:14

weeks 900:11, 900:21, 

916:20, 919:14, 958:9

weight 922:24

West 879:20, 918:10

Westfall 863:38, 863:39, 

865:17, 866:5, 867:9, 867:11, 

878:7, 884:8, 886:19, 894:19, 

897:11, 901:16, 903:20, 

906:3, 937:17, 937:18, 

943:15, 944:3, 945:12, 

949:25, 950:3, 951:17, 

956:16, 957:14, 961:20, 

982:5, 982:25, 983:15

whatever 873:16, 895:21, 

912:22, 923:14, 942:13, 

942:22

wheel 871:8

Wheels 870:9, 884:21, 924:3

whenever 912:16

Whether 898:24, 919:18, 

951:15, 955:6, 955:16, 

955:18, 958:10, 973:12, 

975:5, 976:25, 979:10, 

981:10, 981:14

White 957:8

Whoa 940:7

whole 879:8, 885:16, 904:25, 

914:14, 919:22

whom 981:22

wide 882:6

wife 901:5, 949:8, 981:23

willing 864:14, 980:10

wind 866:17, 866:25

window 964:6, 964:7

winters 904:14

within 927:18, 978:19

Witness 893:7, 910:10, 

948:13

witnesses 914:24

woman 947:23

wondered 981:14

word 966:4, 966:5, 966:8

words 979:5

work 870:4, 870:12, 872:18, 

872:24, 874:3, 875:13, 

875:17, 876:21, 885:5, 

898:22, 901:3, 901:14, 

901:16, 907:1, 908:25, 

911:14, 912:3, 912:22, 

914:16, 914:20, 923:24, 

924:9, 925:7, 925:15, 932:5, 

933:16, 942:9, 945:20, 946:3, 

954:1, 954:14, 964:6, 964:7

worked 872:12, 872:13, 

872:20, 872:21, 872:22, 

873:3, 873:4, 873:9, 880:1, 

885:10, 912:21, 912:24, 

917:20, 925:17, 933:16, 

945:23

working 869:15, 875:14, 

899:24, 900:23, 922:12, 

933:13, 934:18, 946:5, 

963:18, 964:16, 973:16

works 873:8, 873:13, 

911:21, 912:8, 912:15, 913:7, 

925:3, 925:5

world 900:10, 918:9, 942:1

worried 930:11

worshipping 942:13

worst 883:20

Worth 863:42, 901:15, 

901:16, 948:2

writing 983:3

written 937:4

wrote 916:20, 965:12, 

978:14

< Y >

year 874:14, 874:17, 883:15, 
883:18, 911:12, 922:23, 

964:21

years 872:14, 872:24, 873:1, 

873:5, 874:2, 876:6, 879:23, 

884:24, 885:3, 885:8, 885:10, 

886:11, 887:20, 890:15, 

897:22, 903:9, 911:10, 

911:13, 912:6, 919:10, 

925:16, 933:17, 945:4, 946:4, 

946:7, 953:8, 957:3, 958:14, 

963:20, 967:13, 968:16, 

970:1, 970:2

Yesterday 867:4, 872:4, 

878:9, 894:23, 904:1, 929:17, 

930:1, 937:22, 961:24, 981:1, 

981:21

York 863:7

young 928:22, 966:22

yourself 936:16

< Z >

Zales 911:25

Zion 870:2, 875:19

zones 932:5, 932:6