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REDAC Subcommittee on Human Factors WINTER/SPRING 2020 | MINUTES

Meeting date | March 10-11, 2020

Meeting location | Remote (In-Person meeting cancelled due to COVID-19)

Purpose: Review the RE&D proposed requirements for fiscal year 2022

Facilitator: Dr. Bill Kaliardos, DFO

All releasable briefings can be found at: https://redacdb.faa.gov/browse.cfm. See HF Subcommittee, March 

2020 meeting folder. 

Minutes from meeting:

Tuesday, March 10th, 2020

Welcome / Opening Comments / Introductions | Presenters Dr. Barbara Holder, HF Subcommittee Chair, 

Dr. Bill Kaliardos, DFO

Drs. Bill Kaliardos and Barbara Holder welcomed the subcommittee and started introductions. The 

committee members and the audience members introduced themselves. The DFO reviewed the agenda and 

the meeting was called to order.

Update from Full Committee Meeting | Presenter Dr. Barbara Holder, HF Subcommittee Chair

Dr. Barbara Holder provided an update on the Full Committee Meeting. She reminded the audience of the 

purpose of the REDAC committees, emphasizing the benefit their input brings in terms of guiding the 

broader R&D landscape. She listed various goals of the meetings (shown in briefing). 

Dr. Holder moved on to a description of Finding and Recommendations (F&Rs) and the elements of a 

quality F&R, emphasizing especially that the recommendations must be actionable. Dr. Holder provided 

detailed updates from the Full Committee Meeting, reviewing the list of F&Rs for the various 

subcommittees. Dr. Holder finished her briefing by giving an overview of the “Human Factors Emerging 

Issues List” that the subcommittee has been developing over the last few years. She noted that the 

subcommittee will dedicate time to update the document at the Summer/Fall 2020 Meeting.

REDAC Mission & Opening Remarks | Presenters Shelly Yak, FAA Director of William J. Hughes Technical 

Center, REDAC Co-Chair

Shelly Yak addressed the subcommittee and provided opening remarks. She provided an update on the 

Research Landscape that has been briefed at prior meetings, explaining that they are currently performing an 

analysis assessment of the current drivers. She informed the audience that the DOT and the FAA are 

reviewing options that would make changes to advisory committees, but it is not clear the effect, if any, this 

would have on the REDAC. Before concluding, Shelly made a request of the subcommittee, asking it to 

brainstorm to critically review the aspects of REDAC that work and suggest improvements.
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Review of Summer/Fall F&Rs | Presenters All

The subcommittee spent time reviewing the Summer/Fall 2019 F&Rs and respective briefing materials. 

Topics included 1) Integration of Air/Ground Research, 2) Strategic Inputs to the Research Prioritization 

Process, and 3) Urban Air Mobility (UAM) Research Gap. 

Bill Kaliardos led a discussion on the various research efforts that capitalize on Air/Ground Integration. 

Some of these include the FAA’s work in Trajectory Based Operations (TBO), Multiple Airport Route 

Separation (MARS), Required Navigation Performance (RNP) Procedures, and clearance complexity in 

oceanic environments. With this review, the subcommittee decided to close F&R #1 and asked to be briefed 

updates on potential opportunities at future meetings.

The review of the F&R on the strategic inputs to the research prioritization process led to a discussion on 

the Emerging Issues list under development by the HF REDAC subcommittee. The group determined it 

would be best to expand on and continue to refine the list to fit within the context of the FAA. All agreed 

that this F&R should be closed and that the Emerging Issues List will be reviewed at the next meeting.

The discussion on the F&R regarding “Urban Air Mobility (UAM) Research Gap” was deferred until after 

the BLI discussions.

Break

AVS Core Flight Deck Research Requirements | Presenter Dr. Michelle Yeh, Human Factors 

Specialist/Aircraft Certification RED Team Lead

Dr. Michelle Yeh briefed the subcommittee on the proposed AVS Core Flight Deck Research Requirements 

for FY22. She briefed to her slides, outlining the various subtasks to be performed for research area. These 

areas include certification gaps for automated systems, minimum information requirements for managing 

potential and kinetic energy, and reduced crew operations. In addition, there is a proposal for research in 

automated systems crew interfaces. Her briefing can be accessed using the link at the top of the page.

AVS NextGen Flight Deck Research Requirements | Presenter Dr. Kathy Abbott, Chief Scientific and 

Technical Advisor for Flight Deck Human Factors

Dr. Kathy Abbott briefed the subcommittee on the proposed AVS NextGen Flight Deck Research 

Requirements. She outlined the various research areas and the proposed research topics for each area. Her 

briefing can be accessed using the link at the top of the page.

ATC Core Research Requirements | Presenter Dan Herschler, ATC Core HF Portfolio Manager

Dan Herschler briefed the subcommittee on the proposed FY22 ATC Core Research Requirements. The 

briefing began with an overview of the Air Traffic Control / Technical Operations Human Factors BLI and 
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the Core Program Team that carries out and supports this work. Dan stepped through various 

accomplishments achieved in FY20, before moving on to the anticipated research for FY21 and focal areas 

for FY22. A subcommittee member asked if there is research looking into crew resource management for 

human-human (ATC-pilot) interactions. Dan confirmed that some work has been done in the past. The 

subcommittee member urged to consider this topic in research decisions. Dan’s briefing can be accessed 

using the link above.

NASA UAM Research and Considerations for HF Research | Presenter Savita Verma, NASA

Savita Verma briefed the REDAC on NASA’s UAM research. She provided an overview of UAM, and 

NASA’s recent and current research on UAM, which includes industry collaboration. Human factors 

related topics were also identified, for discussion, and as examples of possible future research. 

ATC NextGen Research Requirements | Presenter Karl Kaufmann, ATC NextGen HF Portfolio Manager

Karl Kaufmann briefed the subcommittee on the proposed FY22 ATC NextGen Research requirements. He 

began with an overview of the Enterprise ATC BLI and the benefits gained from the work. He moved on to 

list the team that supports the work as well that the laboratories that perform it. Karl stepped through 

accomplishments from the current year before moving on to the anticipated research for FY21 and focal 

areas for FY22. An audience member asked about the importance of using cases like GIM-S Utilization 

(from the Core ATC presentation) as an example of NextGen technologies that are not used by controllers 

as intended by design. In the GIM-S case, the technology was implemented and deemed successful from 

the implementation perspective, but it does not provide the information controllers need, so it goes unused. 

The FAA agreed it is important to consider such considerations from the user perspective.

Break

Action Item #1: UAS Human Factors Research Update | Presenter Dr. Michelle Yeh, Human Factors 

Specialist/Aircraft Certification RED Team Lead

Dr. Michelle Yeh briefed the subcommittee on an overview of the FY20 UAS Human Factors R&D projects

within AVS. She listed the currently ongoing projects including Minimum Detect and Avoid (DAA) 

Display and Flight Path Information, UAS Automation and Intelligent Systems, High Visual Contract for 

UAS, Air Carrier Operational Considerations, for Unmanned Aircraft Systems, UAS Human Factors 

“General Guidance.” She covered details on each of these projects, which can be found in her briefing 

accessible using the link at the top of the page. The subcommittee agreed that this Action Item could be 

closed.
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F&R Discussion and Homework Assignments | Presenter All

A group discussion was called to review any planned F&Rs and Action Items, as well as discuss feedback to 

improve the Human Factors REDAC process. Subcommittee members were tasked with developing a list of 

potential improvements to the REDAC process. There was discussion of developing an F&R regarding 

UAM and the FAA’s research in this area. There was also discussion regarding the distribution of technical 

reports, and how these can be better shared with the community. A final discussion emphasized the need 

more cross-cutting research between the FAA BLIs.

End of Day 1

Wednesday, March 11th, 2020

Update on FY22 Research Portfolio/ Revised Process | Presenter Mark Orr, Aviation Safety Research & 

Development Manager

Mark Orr updated the subcommittee on the FY22 Research Portfolio and the revised prioritization process. 

He explained that the RE&D Management Team is currently redesigning the Portfolio Development 

Process. He outlined the key steps in the process, as well as showed a timeline of these activities. He went 

on to explain the number of factors and steps that go into the development of the FY portfolios, before 

reviewing the timeline leading up to the final briefing to AVS-1. Mark noted that an important function of 

the REDAC subcommittees is to not only recommend what research should be funded, but also what

research should not be funded. Further information can be found in his slides accessible using the link at the 

top of the page.

NASA UAM Research and Considerations for HF Research | Presenter Dr. Mike Feary, NASA

Dr. Mike Feary briefed the subcommittee on the various research projects underway at NASA. These 

include Monitoring for Flight Path Management: Assessing Pilot Monitoring Training, Human Performance 

Assessment Methods for Safety Analysis, and Simplified Handling Qualities and Simplified Vehicle 

Operations. Information on each of these research areas can be found in the briefing accessible using the 

link at the top of the page. 

FAA Budget Update | Presenter Elizabeth Delarosby, FAA Budget Analyst

Elizabeth Delarosby updated the subcommittee on the FAA Budget. She reviewed financial details for 

FY20 before covering pertinent conference language describing areas of research. She then moved on to 

update on the statuses of the FY21 and FY22 budgets, as well as the out year targets until FY26; however, 
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these targets are expected to change. Financial information can be found in these slides accessible using the 

link at the top of the page. 

Break

F&R Finalizing and Wrap-up | Presenter All

A group discussion was called to review the intended F&Rs and Action Items. Notes were reviewed from

the meeting, and drafting duties were assigned by the committee chair. There was further discussion

surrounding an Action item requesting a higher level of details in the FAA briefings, as this helps the 

subcommittee identify research gaps. A listing of the F&Rs and Action Items developed from this meeting 

can be found below. 

End of Day 2
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Agenda:

DAY 1 – Tuesday, March 10, 2020

Time Topic Presenter

10:00 – 10:15 

EDT

Welcome / Introductions Dr. Barbara Holder, HF Subcommittee 

Chair; Dr. Bill Kaliardos, Designated Federal 

Official (DFO)

10:15 – 10:30 

EDT

Update from Full Committee Meeting Dr. Barbara Holder, HF Subcommittee Chair

10:30 – 10:45 

EDT

REDAC Mission & Opening Remarks Shelley Yak, FAA Director of William J. 

Hughes Technical Center, REDAC Co-Chair

10:45 – 11:15 

EDT

Review of Summer/Fall F&Rs:

1) Integration of Air/Ground Research 

2) Strategic Inputs to the Research 

Prioritization Process

Group Discussion

11:15 – 11:30 

EDT

Review of Summer/Fall F&Rs (cont’d):

3) Urban Air Mobility (UAM) Research 

Gap

Dr. Bill Kaliardos, Designated Federal Official 

(DFO), Karl Kaufmann, ATC NextGen HF 

Portfolio Manager, Dr. Michelle Yeh, Human 

Factors Specialist/ Aircraft Certification RED 

Team Lead

11:30 – 12:15 

EDT

Lunch Break – 1 (East Coast)

12:15 – 12:45 

EDT

AVS “Core” Flight Deck Research 

Requirements

AVS NextGen Flight Deck Research 

Requirements

Dr. Michelle Yeh, Aircraft Certification RED 

Team Lead

Dr. Kathy Abbott, Chief Scientific and 

Technical Advisor for Flight Deck Human 

Factors

12:45 – 13:15 

EDT

ATC “Core” Research Requirements

ATC NextGen Research Requirements

Dan Herschler, ATC Core HF Portfolio 

Manager

Karl Kaufmann, ATC NextGen HF Portfolio 

Manager

13:15 – 13:30 Break

13:30 – 14:00 

EDT

NASA UAM Research and Considerations 

for HF Research

Savita Verma, NASA

14:00 – 14:30 

EDT

Initial F&R Discussion All

14:30 – 15:15 

EDT

Lunch Break – 2 (West Coast)

15:15 – 15:30 

EDT

Action Item #1: UAS Human Factors 

Research Update

Multiple FAA Speakers

15:30 – 17:00 

EDT

F&R Discussion and Homework 

Assignments 

All
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17:00 EDT Day 1 Adjourned

DAY 2 – Wednesday, March 11, 2020

Time Topic Presenter

10:00 – 10:30 

EDT

Update on FY22 Research Portfolio/ 

Revised Process

Mark Orr, Aviation Safety Research & 

Development Manager

10:30 – 11:30 

EDT

Overview of NASA Ames Human Factors 

Research

Dr. Jessica Nowinski & Dr. Mike Feary, 

NASA

11:30 – 11:45 

EDT

FAA Budget Update Elizabeth Delarosby, FAA Budget Analyst

11:45 – 12:30 

EDT

Subcommittee Member F&R Breakout 

Sessions 

Subcommittee Members

12:30 – 13:15 

EDT

Lunch

13:15 – 14:15 

EDT

Review of F&R Breakout Sessions All

14:15 – 14:45 

EDT

F&R Finalizing and Wrap-up All

14:45 EDT Meeting Adjourned

*F&R = Finding and Recommendation
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Subcommittee on Human Factors 

Winter-Spring 2020 - March 10 - 11, 2020 

Attendees Lists

DAY 1

Number Name Affiliation

1 CA Roundtree-Coleman FAA

2 Eddie Austrian Fort Hill Group

3 Chick Perala FAA

4 Mark Orr FAA

5 Karl Kaufmann FAA

6 Dan Herschler FAA

7 Kathy Abbott FAA

8 Bill Kaliardos FAA

9 Tara Holmes FAA

10 Evan Harvey HumanProof

11 Kevin Comstock ALPA

12 Lejia Collier ALPA

13 Chris Reed JetBlue

14 Cheryl Quinn NASA

15 Sabreena Azam FAA

16 Divia Chandra Volpe

17 Dave McKenney ALPA

18 Jason Demagalski FAA/ATO

19 Terry King FAA-CAMI

20 Maggie Ma BOEING

21 Angel Mijan BOEING

22 Rich Golden FAA

23 Rachel Seely FAA

24 Sherry Chappell Consultant

25 Quang Dao

26 Brian Townsend

American 

Airlines

27 Dan Brock FAA

28 Steve Lang

29 Leah Rowe

30 Shelley Yak

31 Barbara Holder

32 Jerry

33 Rany Azzi
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DAY 2

Number Name Affiliation

1 CA Roundtree-Coleman

2 Karl Kauffman

3 Carl Bernstein

4 Eddie Austrian

5 Kathy Abbott

6 Tara Holmes

7 Bill Kaliardos

8 Evan Harvey

9 Barbara Holder

10 Mark Orr

11 Mike Feary

12 Maggie Ma

13 Beth Delarosby

14 Angel Mijan

15 Dave McKenney

16 Dan Brock

17 Cheryl Quinn

18 Dan Dellmyer

19 Kevin Comstock

20 Dave Atwood

21 Dan Herschler

22 Ken Allendoerfer

23 Leija Collier

24 Chris Reed

25 Brian Townsend