REDAC Subcommittee on Airports

Spring Meeting 2015

March 31 – April 1

Meeting Minutes

Day One - Tuesday, March 31st

Introductions 

Meeting formally started with opening remarks by Mr. Christopher Oswald, Subcommittee 

Chairperson. Mr. Oswald thanked everyone for attending and introductions of Subcommittee 

members and attendees were made.

Dr. Eric Neiderman, Manager, FAA Aviation Research Division, ANG-E2, introduced himself 

and thanked everyone for attending. Dr. Neiderman began by stating that it was asked for the 

focus of the last Subcommittee meeting to be on emerging issues. He reiterated that he would 

like the focus to stay on that path. He asked the Subcommittee to continue to look 5 – 10 years 

down the road. He would like to include NextGen and the possible impacts that it will have on 

the industry, both positive and negative. Dr. Neiderman also mentioned this to the other REDAC 

Subcommittees: Aircraft Safety, NAS Operations, Human Factors, Airports, and Environment 

and Energy. He would like the Subcommittee to look at the FY17 budget and make sure it has 

the right mix of research, that it is strategic, and that it is a “well rounded” portfolio. It should 

include short term and long term building blocks to define where R&D needs to go. Dr. 

Neiderman concluded by announcing Jim White’s retirement after 47 years of Federal Service. 

Mr. Dennis Filler, Technical Center Director, introduced himself and began by stating

discussions for research are ongoing and gave credence to what has already been done. He 

asked the Subcommittee to look at the way things are changing; citing airframes and

transportation as examples. He also acknowledged how technology is advancing and it needs to 

be looked at and adapted too. Mr. Filler acknowledged a challenge to research can be funding. 

A positive regarding this particular research program is that the funding allocation has not 

changed. He urged the need to make the administration understand the need for the research. 

Mr. Filler acknowledged the uncertainty for 2016 with Congress and how that might affect the 

program. 

Mr. Christopher Oswald, ACI – NA, Subcommittee Chairperson, spoke briefly stating the 

research program has received $31 million and reiterated that money is set aside specifically for 

the purpose of research. He touched on Mr. Filler’s point that there is no certainty in where 

funding will go in the future. Mr. Oswald advised the Subcommittee to be smart, think 

strategically, and exercise good stewardship when assessing the portfolio. 

Jaime Figueroa, Manager FAA Research and Development Division, ANG – E4, Mr. 

Figueroa introduced himself and explained his role with the FAA. He stated it was his first 

REDAC Subcommittee Meeting. Mr. Oswald asked for Mr. Figueroa’s assistance in offering 

ideas and prioritizing what is needed in research. 

Dr. Michel Hovan, Airports Technology R&D Branch Manager, introduced himself and began 

by stating the objective for the meeting is to review the FY17 portfolio; he then provided a brief 

overview of the budget. Dr. Hovan indicated that he would like to introduce a new format to the 

meeting by focusing on big items where feedback and product updates are needed. He would 
like to bypass the projects that are going well. Dr. Hovan stated he would like to keep the focus 

on emerging technologies and future opportunities when reviewing the budget. 

Dr. Hovan gave a contract update stating the supporting contract with SRA International, Inc. 

expires on June 10, 2015. He informed the subcommittee the RFP was put out for bid in 

February with all proposals due on Monday, March 30, 2015. He is hoping to have a new 

selection made by mid-May 2015. 

Dr. Hovan informed the Subcommittee of the retirement of the test pilot Steve Materio. He 

continued by giving an overview of the budget explaining from 2014-2015 the budget remained 

stable with no change in allocation and in 2016 there is a slight increase. Dr. Hovan stated that 

while looking at the 2017 budget he believes “work should drive the budget” not “the budget 

drive the work”. Dr. Hovan informed the Subcommittee of a new FAA website that is still in 

development but is 95% completed. He explained when completed the website will be parallel 

with the division website. Dr. Hovan continued with FY16 Budget overview stating R&D is in 

a good place receiving 1% of the AIP budget and that is a special allocation. Dr. Hovan 

explained for Future Consideration he would like to regroup the RPD’s changing the number 

scheme to RPA-S (S for Safety) and RPA-P (P for Pavements) and dividing them further into 

sub categories as well. He would also like to include Airport Environmental Research (RPA-E)

and will work with Headquarters to see if this indeed feasible. Dr. Neiderman complimented 

Dr. Hovan and his branch for the work that is being done. 

Dr. Mike McNerney, Deputy Manager, FAA Office of Airports Safety and Standards 

Division, AAS – 100, introduced himself and spoke on the retirement of Jim White. He went on 

to state how the FAA believes global safety has improved and international work is still in 

progress. Dr. McNerney informed the Subcommittee a new position has been created to keep 

track of all international responses. He stated the 2016 budget needs to have environmental 

issues included and the request for research to continue needs to be continuous. It was asked if 

there was a timeframe to replace Jim White and Dr. McNerney stated there is no definite 

timeframe. 

Review of Recommendations - Mr. Oswald made sure everyone received a copy of the Meeting

Agenda and suggested the Subcommittee explore other options for distribution of materials. It 

was suggested to upload materials such as agendas, meeting minutes, presentations to the 

REDAC website. It was decided there will be further discussion later in the meeting. 

1. Safety Database

Discussion - The Fall 2014 REDAC meeting discussed the Safety Database Program. At 

that time the program was not fully initiated and it is expected to be going into Fall 2015. 

The concern is information going public before airports are informed of shortcomings. The 

Subcommittee feels that airports need sufficient notice to prepare, understand, and address 

issues. 

Conclusion- It was decided the FAA R&D Program provide a Point of Contact to address 

these issues. The FAA R&D Program has provided a POC and the Recommendation from 

Fall 2014 was closed. The Subcommittee discussed other issues with this project and 

questioned if it qualifies to fall under R&D. It was agreed that it needs further discussion on 

how to proceed. 

2. Aircraft Braking Friction
Discussion - The Subcommittee agreed to bypass this program discussion on Day One. 

Conclusion - The Subcommittee decided to commit to doing a “deep dive” after the 

presentation on Day Two. 

Emerging Issues and Future Opportunities

The Subcommittee began the discussion by referring to the list that was decided upon at the Fall 

2014 meeting. Dr. Neiderman asked the Subcommittee to review the list and confirm it is in line 

with the 2017 portfolio and if the resources are in place to complete the research. He asked the 

Subcommittee to look at the issues and the technologies used. Mr. Oswald suggested in order 

making sure these issues align with the 2017 budget the Subcommittee will have review what 

was identified during the Fall 2014 meeting as the five most important issues. 

Issue 1: UAS - The Subcommittee discussed this issue becoming more visible and it needs to be 

looked at from the airports perspective. The Subcommittee stated their concerns with 

suggestions on whether this issue is aligned with current research. It was expressed that the 

airports have valid concerns on this subject. The Subcommittee discussed the possible airspace 

and security issues and agreed that airport should have a role. The Subcommittee agreed UAS 

need definite focus and discussion. Dr. Neiderman informed the Subcommittee of the UAS 

research that has already been done and it is an opportunity to use that research and be able to 

take ideas to that program and gain more knowledge on the airport perspective. The 

subcommittee agreed it would be beneficial to request a teleconference meeting with all 

interested Subcommittee members to further the discussion. 

Action - Schedule a web briefing with the NAS Integration Office in the next month or two. 

Invites to interested parties will be delivered via email. 

Issue 2: Maintenance Technologies/Practices for LED Airfield Lighting System

Issue 3: Managing Airport Operations in a NextGen Environment

Issue 4: NextGen and Noise in the Airport Environs

Issue 5: Advanced Pavement Materials 

The Subcommittee reviewed the discussions on these issues from the Fall 2014 REDAC Meeting 

and agreed no further action needs to me determined at this time. It was decided to further 

discuss how to prioritize and the issues on Day Two.

A.M. Break - 10:30a.m.-10:50a.m.

Mr. Jim Patterson, Airport Safety R&D Section Manager

2015 Safety Projects + Plans for FY16-17

Mr. Patterson provided an overview of what he would be presenting. He discussed the budget 

summary of safety related projects. Mr. Patterson explained the projects that are highlighted in 

red on his Budget Chart were new projects that had received funding. He went on to inform the 

Subcommittee of the safety resources used, including FAA staff in the Safety R&D Section,

SRA International, Inc. as the prime support contractor, and all other subcontractors on the R&D 

contract. Mr. Patterson continued with highlighting major projects that are currently underway 

including LED Lighting and FOD Detection. He presented the Report Publications and offered 

to the Subcommittee to have them uploaded to the REDAC website for review. Mr. Patterson 
informed the Subcommittee that Safety has averaged twelve published reports per year, 

including five that have been published since last REDAC meeting. 

Mr. Ryan King, Overall Wildlife Program Updates

Mr. King began his presentation by explaining the Wildlife Hazard Mitigation Project. He 

informed the Subcommittee about the WiSC project and how the FAA Technical Center R&D 

has been working with ANG-C43 (NextGen Concept Socialization and Management) and how 

they are enhancing the research. Mr. King’s presentation included a video of the work that has 

been completed in the simulation lab at the Technical Center. He explained to the Subcommittee 

for the test completed in the simulation lab they used Air Traffic Controllers and Pilots to be able 

to test the communication using the bird radar. Mr. King reviewed the WiSC plans for FY16-17 

and noted participants in the plan such as CEAT - University of Illinois- Radar Deployment, 

C43, and MITRE-Benefits Case. The Subcommittee asked Mr. King if this research being 

planned is to be tested with ATC. Mr. King responded stating after the program has been 

perfected it is planned to be tested with ATC to see how it performs. Mr. King continued with 

his presentation explaining Bird Perception as another research tool being used with 

USDA/Perdue University. Mr. King then gave an overview of Bird Radars and reviewed the 

details regarding the acquisition of the AN/TPQ-49 radars from the United States Army. He 

continued by explaining Multi-Senor Integration and the possibility of taking individual sensors 

and integrating the information output into one system that would then inform ATC, Wildlife 

Control, Ops, and Security. Mr. Oswald interjected inquiring about the costs of this type of radar 

system. Mr. King responded the costs for a new system is around $400K including the software 

and pointed out that the IT support for the radar is based in Syracuse, New York. Mr. King was 

asked by the Subcommittee what the preliminary findings of the simulation lab work were. He 

responded stating the findings were extremely favorable from both the ATC participants as well 

as the pilots.

Mr. Robert Bassey, Research Taxiway, Low Cost Ground Surveillance Radar, Airport 

Construction Signs

Research Taxiway

Mr. Bassey explained the agreement with Cape May County Airport and provided an overview 

of the projects currently ongoing and planned for the future. Mr. Bassey informed the 

Subcommittee how it will benefit both the local airport and the FAA R&D program. He 

informed the Subcommittee this agreement grants the R&D program the right to construct

operate and maintain research facilities on the premises. Mr. Bassey stated in on April 22, 2015 

the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers will start accepting bid proposals for construction and are

planning to award the contract by May 22, 2015, with construction beginning Summer 2015. He 

gave an overview of funding needs for FY2017 and explained the research needs. Mr. Bassey 

explained the work performed at the Cape May County Airport supports both the Pavement and 

Safety side of research. He went on to explain this agreement gives the research the opportunity 

to provide test results that can’t be duplicated in a research laboratory. The subcommittee agreed 

there certain infrastructure issues that are better tested in the field rather than in a controlled 

environment such as a lab. 

Runway Construction Signs
Mr. Bassey provided an overview of this project including the purpose of the research, airports 

that were chosen for the research, protocol of the projects, and the findings and preferred signs. 

He explained due to feedback from pilots on the first test performed with the “TORA” signs they 

have installed new signs at JFK Airport in September 2014. He informed the Subcommittee the 

feedback from the pilots was most did not know what the acronym TORA stood for so new signs 

were manufactured that have the acronym spelled out. Mr. Bassey informed the Subcommittee

that the research is ongoing and gave an overview of the participation and findings to date. He 

stated the project will be completed in May 2015 with a final report submitted in July 2015 and 

will have the findings reflected in the Advisory Circular. 

Low Cost Ground Surveillance Radar

Mr. Bassey gave a review of this project with an update including on the participating airports 

and data collected. He informed the Subcommittee the next steps of the project which includes

the installation of equipment at Orlando International Airport in September of 2015. Mr. Bassey 

plans on completing the performance assessment along with system operation in December of 

2016. Mr. Bassey highlighted the work performed with Center of Excellence at the University of 

Illinois. He spoke briefly on the possibility of being able to eventually integrate other radars 

used at airports into this system. Mr. Figueroa commented that the ATO is currently conducting 

Low Cost Ground Surveillance testing as well and it might be beneficial to contact them and 

possibly have access to equipment and data as well as being able to share what R&D has 

collected. Mr. Bassey responded that he is aware of the testing being completed and explained 

the differences in the research being performed. It was suggested by the Subcommittee to keep 

in mind while looking into integrating radars that each radar system has a specific purpose and 

provides valuable information for their specific use. 

Conclusion – the Subcommittee would like to have Mr. Bassey move forward with Concept of 

Operations including what the end result of this research will be. The Subcommittee added 

developing standards acknowledging that the Proof of Concept has already been completed. Mr. 

Oswald suggested including a cost analysis as well.

Lunch Break - 12:00 p.m. - 12:40 p.m. - Presentations recommenced 12:45 p.m.

The Subcommittee discussed the next REDAC Subcommittee dates.

It was decided the next meeting will be held on Tuesday, August 25, 2015 & August 26, 2015. 

Day One will begin at 8:30 a.m. and adjourn at 4:30 p.m. Day Two will begin at 8:30 a.m. and 

adjourn at 3:00 p.m.

Ms. Lauren Vitagliano, Airport Noise Updates, Safety Database, Complex Taxiway Geometry

Airport Noise Update

Ms. Vitagliano gave an update on the project stating Phases 1 & 2 are complete and Phase 3 is in 

progress and expected to take a year for data collection. She went over highlights since the last 

meeting including survey package has been submitted to OMB last month. Ms. Vitagliano

reviewed next steps for FY17 with OMB approval expected in May 2015, start distributing 

surveys in summer 2015 and have the surveys completed by summer 2016. She presented 

budget needs for FY17 and explained the funding request for $750K is due to the increase of 

data analysis that is expected. 

Taxiway Geometry
Ms. Vitagliano gave a very brief overview of this project and the analysis of where incidents 

were occurring. She explained the results and how they were categorized and how “hot spots” 

were identified. 

Safety Database

Ms. Vitagliano began this part of the presentation by giving an overview of the project and 

explained to the Subcommittee that this database is an internal tool and only accessible to FAA. 

She presented Next Steps for the project and reviewed the process for identifying problem 

locations. Ms. Vitagliano continued by presenting an update on the Runway Incursion 

Mitigation Program (RIM) and gave a brief overview of the purpose of the research. She 

explained in Phase One the results were a number of intersections at a number of airports are 

planned to receive priority focus. She informed the Subcommittee that the specific locations will 

not be released to the public and airport sponsors will be notified by their FAA RIM POC that 

they have been included in the RIM program. The Subcommittee voiced their concern 

explaining the airports should be notified of the issues that were identified before the information 

is released. 

Mr. Don Gallagher, Rumble Strips Updates

Mr. Gallagher gave an overview of the Rumble Strips project and the motivation behind it. He 

highlighted the work being done with PEGASAS and informed the Subcommittee of the 

February 2015 inquiry about the project from Edwards Air Force Base. Mr. Gallagher presented

the Summer 2014 findings and explained they were presented in January 2015 at the TRB 

Conference in Washington D.C. Mr. Gallagher presented a summary of the discussions with

Edwards Air Force Base in February 2015. He informed the Subcommittee an Interim Report on 

Rumble Strips Placement at GA Airports was completed in February 2015. Mr. Gallagher 

presented and overview of the Transportation Conference and Expo held at Perdue University. 

He continued his presentation with findings that with testing Rumble Strips they found there are 

some winter ops considerations and determined they might not be ideal for airports in winter 

climates. Mr. Gallagher presented the FY16 budget and included Phase III in which airports will 

be chosen that are deemed “most feasible” for this type of research. He went onto inform the 

Subcommittee that construction for a Rumble Strip Test Bed will being in summer 2015 with a 

Technical Note/Final Report being submitted June 30, 2016. The Subcommittee commented that 

a concern they feel is the Rumble Strips being felt by passengers sitting in the rear of the aircraft. 

Mr. Gallagher agreed that could be an issue with the larger commercial aircraft but raised a point 

that it most likely would not be an issue in smaller aircraft. 

Mr. Nick Subbotin, Arrestor Systems

Mr. Subbotin began his presentation by giving a brief overview the EMAS project and R&D

activities. He informed the Subcommittee that an EMAS bed made of glasopor was installed at

Chicago’s Midway Airport in November 2014. He briefly reviewed the materials used in 

construction of the bed. The Subcommittee questioned if the material was approved for use by 

the FAA. Mr. Subbotin responded that it has been approved for use by the FAA but has not been 

approved by AIP because it’s not an American made product. He further explained that the 

EMAS bed and construction was paid for by the City of Chicago and not with AIP funds. Mr. 

Subbotin presented the plans for testing evacuation slide durability and ongoing tests of EMAS 

markings. Mr. Subbotin informed the Subcommittee for the EMAS marking project FAA R&D 

worked with AAS-100 to create an Advisory Circular Engineering brief for retro reflective
markers around EMAS beds. He explained for the EMAS Signage project the FAA R&D is 

beginning the evaluation of several concept signs located at DRS and EMAS beds. Mr. Subbotin

presented slides with pictures of examples of signs that will be used. He gave an overview of 

planned activities including the inspection of older EMAS beds at Fort Lauderdale International

Airport and explained the purpose is to determine when to begin maintenance, etc. He went on 

to explain they would like to develop and policy for recommendations for airports on when to 

replace beds and requirements on new materials. The Subcommittee questioned whether EMAS 

Signage is a requirement and Mr. Subbotin responded stating EMAS Markings are required but 

EMAS Signage is not. The Subcommittee then asked if this research going to lead to an 

Advisory Circular requirement and Mr. Subbotin stated that would be a goal. He continued by 

reviewing the FY16 and FY17 Funding Requests. 

P.M. Break -1:55 p.m. - 2:10 p.m. - Presentations recommenced at 2:10 p.m.

Mr. Keith Bagot, ARFF Program Updates

Mr. Bagot began his presentation with a review of objectives and review from the last REDAC 

Meeting, as well as new giving new information including new test platform, new firefighting 

systems and new vehicles. He informed the Subcommittee the R&D program ordered a new 

firefighting vehicle and it should be delivered in December 2015. Mr. Bagot explained the 

specifications on the vehicle were all decided upon by the R&D program and the systems can be 

upgraded to keep up with advancing technologies. Mr. Bagot also highlighted that this is the 

only vehicle of its kind in the United States. He continued by giving an overview of the FY17 

Budget explaining the increase is due to the planned building of a Fire Test Retrofit building. 

Mr. Bagot informed the Subcommittee it will allow testing to be done with various agents in a 

controlled environment. Mr. Bagot updated the Subcommittee on the L1011 Aircraft and 

informed them that the lower level cargo modifications are complete. He also informed the 

Subcommittee the clean agent testing is in progress and a final report will be completed late 

spring 2015. Mr. Bagot updated the Subcommittee on biofuel firefighting research and the work 

being done with PEGASAS. 

PEGASAS addressed the Subcommittee informing them of a one day conference being held at 

Perdue University on Thursday, May 28, 2015 encompassing all examples of what is being 

explained by Mr. Bagot and there is no registration fee. Mr. Bagot continued by informing the 

Subcommittee of published reports since the last REDAC meeting and of reports currently in 

process. 

Mr. Mike DiPilato, Safety Surface Initiatives Team Updates

Mr. DiPilato began his presentation by giving a review of the SSIT program including, its 

organizational chart and the airports involved in the project. He reviewed the CARA Teams and 

CARP report and their purpose within the project. Mr. DiPilato explained the AABC 

(Alternative Analysis and Benefits Case Team) and their purpose within the project. He 

proceeded with providing history and gave updates on Logan Airport, Dallas Fort Worth 

International Airport, San Diego International Airport, and Reno/Tahoe International Airport. 

The Subcommittee voiced a concern that the information that was collected from Logan has gone 

into a “black box” and the AAABC Team and would like to be notified of the report contents 

before it goes to Washington. Mr. DiPilato offered to give the Subcommittee a POC for this 

information. 
Mr. Kent Duffy, FACT 3 Reports, Runway Simulator, Airport Planning

FACT 3 Reports

Mr. Duffy began his presentation by giving an overview of what the FACT 3 report is, 

explaining it is created for GAP identification and capacity capabilities for airports. He 

explained how the report is compiled and how forecasting done. Mr. Duffy explained that the 

FACT 3 Report used data from 2011 and used two modeling approaches including 

improvements with NextGen. He explained how scenarios are used to determine which airports 

will have capacity issues and which will not. Mr. Duffy continued by giving and update on 

FACT 3 Improvements stating improvements on Ft. Lauderdale are completed, Chicago O’Hare 

will have two completed by fall 2015 and another two completed by 2020, and Philadelphia 

International Airport will have 2 completed by 2020 and another completed in 2030. 

Runway Simulator

Mr. Duffy began by giving an overview of the project and how it used as a tool to calculate 

sustainable hourly runway capacity. He went on to explain the model levels and gave a brief 

history on the simulator. Mr. Duffy stated the simulator is used to analyze the runway system 

capacity for complex Airport Operations and ATC Procedures. It assists with looking at 

departure runways and is useful in assessing departures fixes. Mr. Duffy informed the 

Subcommittee the simulator is available for use and anyone interested must be licensed and 

trained. To date there is 315 interested in becoming licensed and trained and they come from 

Airports, consultants, airlines, and universities. The training is a three day program and is held 

in D.C. or McLean. 

Dr. Michel Hovan interjected explaining the next presentations are informational presentations 

for new research that was added to the portfolio with one million dollars in funding for FY2016. 

Ms. Lauren Vitagliano, FY16-FY17 Airport Environmental Research

Ms. Vitagliano began by giving an overview of the Airport Environmental Research. She gave 

explanations of what the research needs are and what research has been done prior including the 

research completed by AEE. Ms. Vitagliano presented a possible FY16 Research overview and 

explained that the funding for this research was allotted due to the fact that Office of 

Environment and Energy’s funding is depleted and they want this work to continue. It was 

agreed that this work is already being completed by one of the Centers of Excellence. 

Ms.Vitagliano explained R&D’s role will be controlling the money and project management and 

the technical side will be completed by AEE. She continued by presenting Ground Emissions 

Research and explained the research completed by MIT Center of Excellence at LaGuardia 

International Airport and their findings. The Subcommittee discussed the different areas for 

research on this topic and if it support airport needs and safety implications. The Subcommittee 

suggested exploring developing a scale on what the percentage of emissions reduction is going to 

be planned through this research, emphasizing the importance of having a baseline to look to and 

compare with. The Subcommittee agreed there needs to be much more conversation on this 

topic. 

Mr. Ralph Nicosia-Rusin - FY17 and beyond, Emerging, Future Research

Mr. Nicosia-Rusin began by giving an overview and description of the Emerging Future 

Research plan. He included the FY17 budget and explained the funding and how the research 

will fit in. He continued by stating the focus of airport planning should be on the passenger. Mr. 
Nicosia-Resin explained to the Subcommittee that there needs to be a change in the way 

forecasting is performed. He presented Safety Enhancements and presented slides during his 

presentation to reflect his statements. Dr. Michel Hovan asked the Subcommittee if they thought 

the presentations were on target with what research is demanding. Dr. Hovan stated that the list

of research presented might have to be reviewed more closely and be prioritized according to 

urgency. The Subcommittee responded stating some of the research topics seemed to be more 

process orientated than research orientated while agreeing with Mr. Nicosia-Resin that 

reinventing the way forecasting is performed could be a positive change and deserves more 

consideration but agreed it is more of a process issue. Dr. Hovan stated these presentations were 

not necessarily needing to fit in to FY17 budget but more so for the 2018 and beyond budgets. 

He wanted the Subcommittee to get a “heads up” on what was being requested by APP. The 

Subcommittee raised a concern that the funding allocated for this new research was not sufficient 

to perform the research that was presented and suggested taking a closer look at a later time.

Mr. Oswald requested the Subcommittee members review the emerging issues list from the fall

2014 meeting and prioritize them by low, medium, or high priority issues to discuss at the end of 

day two. The Subcommittee agreed Day Two will begin at 8:30 a.m.

Day One - Meeting Adjourned 5:00p.m.
Day Two - Wednesday, April 1, 2015 - Meeting commenced at 8:50a.m.

Mr. Christopher Oswald began day two welcoming everyone back and briefly going over the 

agenda. Introductions were made by the attendees who were not present on Day One.

Mr. Joe Breen, Trapezoidal Grooves

Mr. Breen began his presentation by giving a review of the background of the project and AAS100 research requests. He presented slides to the Subcommittee explaining what is being tested 

is the comparison of FAA Standard Grooving and Trapezoidal-Shaped Runway Grooving. Mr. 

Breen informed the Subcommittee testing with the aircraft and the NAPTF vehicle is already in 

progress. He continued his presentation with diagrams showing the different grooves and the 

results collection to date. Mr. Breen took a moment to introduce the new Test Pilot for the 

aircraft, Mr. Larry VanHoy, subconsultant to SRA International, Inc. He gave a brief overview 

of Mr. VanHoy’s expertise and explained he will be an asset to the project. Mr. Breen was asked 

if the groove testing will be performed on both concrete and asphalt. Mr. Breen responded by 

stating testing on CC6 was concrete, CC7 was asphalt and they are waiting on data from CC6 to 

determine the testing needs for CC8. Mr. Breen continued by briefing the Subcommittee on 

ACY Runway 4-22 and the testing that will be performed. He informed the Subcommittee there 

is a meeting with ACY (Atlantic City International Airport) on April 8, 2015 where they will 

inform ACY of testing plans. Mr. Breen presented an overview of past full scale testing and data 

collected. He explained the runway for this testing will be 1500 feet long. The Subcommittee 

questioned what speeds the tests will be performed at and if the length of the runway is sufficient 

for response and braking time. Mr. Breen responded the rests will be performed between speeds 

of 30-100mph and he is confident the aircraft will have plenty of time for response and braking. 

Mr. Breen informed the Subcommittee of the upgrades made to the aircraft braking system that 

will allow for better results. Mr. Breen stated the objective of this testing is to determine the life 

of the groove. He stated generally speaking a grove lasts 8 years and that is relative to quality of 

pavement mix designs which is relative to quality of the grooves. The Subcommittee questioned 

how many passes are completed for this testing. Mr. Jeffrey Gagnon, Airport Pavement R&D 

Section Manager, responded by stating they test the pavement until it fails. Mr. Breen explained 

they are also looking into rubber build up on Trapezoidal Grooves vs. FAA Standard Grooves. 

Mr. Breen continued his presentation with Future Plans including, after gaining permission from 

ACY for Runway 4-22 they will begin construction of grooves and after awarding contract and 

hope to have construction completed and read for testing to begin by August 2015. 

After completion of Mr. Breen’s presentation, Dr. Hovan explained to the Subcommittee that the 

Aircraft Braking Friction Program has been included in the REDAC briefings many times. He 

informed the Subcommittee the project has been delayed due to factors that are outlined in Mr. 

Breen’s presentation including the retirement of the previous test pilot. Dr. Hovan explained he 

believes this project will be successful and it does add value, despite the delays. He explained to 

the Subcommittee how he asked Mr. Breen to “go back to basics for this presentation. 

Mr. Joe Breen, Aircraft Braking Friction Program

Mr. Breen began his presentation with giving a background of the project, noting it was initiated 

due to response to a NTSB Safety Recommendation. He continued by stating the challenges of 

the project to the Subcommittee. He informed the Subcommittee the project is working with an 

aircraft braking consultant and how he has stated commercial aircraft are not constructed to be 

optimal when used on non-friction surfaces. The Subcommittee questioned if that statement was 
industry accepted or an opinion. Mr. Breen stated he has heard that sentiment from many 

sources. He went onto explain aircraft braking is 95% effective in dry conditions, 90% in snow, 

slush, and ice. Mr. Breen presented graphs explaining the Mu Slip Curve and the variables 

involved when determining. He reviewed the test parameters and presented the research 

objectives. Mr. Breen informed the Subcommittee about the new Anti-Skid Braking System and 

the capabilities it will give the aircraft. Mr. Breen reviewed the testing already performed along 

with reviewing the data that was collected. He cited the braking testing that was completed in 

April 2014 on manufactured snow and highlighted that it is the first test of its kind. Mr. Breen 

stated the objective of this project is to eventually create an algorithm to be used in the 

calculation of braking friction on commercial aircraft. He continued by presenting a project 

schedule and included the completion of the nose gear braking tests. Mr. Breen explained they 

were unable to get main gear braking tests on snow this past winter season due the retiring of 

their Test Pilot. He also explained that in doing a complete safety assessment on the aircraft they 

found the fire systems were not functioning and they are in the process of getting both the fire 

detection and fire suppression systems working properly. Mr. Breen assured the Subcommittee 

that none of the delays have caused any problem to the current testing schedule. He informed the 

Subcommittee the Anti-Skid Braking System will be installed by June 10, 2015 and testing will 

begin immediately with dry and wet pavements. Mr. Breen is stated he is expecting to retrieve a 

lot of date and have an algorithm completed by the end of 2016. Mr. Breen proceeded by adding 

four additional items beyond the FY17 schedule in the next steps portion of his presentation. He 

stated he would like to include the algorithm on a computer in commercial aircraft to test it and 

retrieve the data. Mr. Breen highlighted project accomplishments and funding requirements. He 

stated the capital investment has already been made and funding requirements are reflecting

maintenance and testing requirements. 

The Subcommittee responded to the presentation stating that they believe there is great value to 

this testing but the challenges have prohibited data collection. The Subcommittee agrees the end 

value proposition is critical to airports but the questions are “Is this right research?”, “Is there a 

different way?” The Subcommittee agreed this research is invaluable and gives it full support. 

They agree it’s a well laid out program and some on the Subcommittee believe it could be the 

“star project.” Mr. Oswald suggested Mr. Breen provide a report of the estimated total cost of 

the project to the end, including unforeseen costs that come up. Dr. Hovan interjected stating he 

thinks the approach should be “work driving the budget, not the budget driving the work.” Dr. 

Hovan stated he does not believe this project will go over budget and it is linked to a bigger 

picture. He suggests keeping focus on the technical side of this project. Dr. Hovan explained the 

research that is performed is in response to headquarters and they should be further engaged to 

make sure R&D is doing what is needed technically and to make sure R&D is on the right path. 

Dr. Hovan continued by stating he agrees this has been a difficult project citing the age of the 

plane as one obstacle. He further stated if what is needed technically is there and the research 

requirement is still there and the correct approach is being taken then this project will be 

successful. The Subcommittee responded by suggesting getting an independent review of the 

project approach to confirm if this approach is the correct one. Mr. Breen continued his 

presentation with a schedule for data collection. It was reiterated there was no data collection 

this past winter but it will be included in the next winter season. Mr. Breen informed the 

Subcommittee the Fire Bottles will be operational prior to June 2015. 

Conclusion – the Subcommittee asked Mr. Breen to compile a revised schedule including 

explaining why there was no data collection this past winter season and how it did not have an 
impact of on the overall project schedule as well as a summary of the financial costs thru the end 

of the project. 

A.M. Break - 10:45a.m. -10:55a.m. - Presentations recommenced at 11:00 a.m.

Mr. Jeffrey Gagnon, Airport Pavement R&D Section Manager, 2015 Pavement Projects + 

Plans for FY16-17

Mr. Gagnon began with an overview of the 2015 pavement project including what will be 

presented to the Subcommittee. He highlighted partnering with American Society of Civil 

Engineers for the next Technology Transfer Conference. Mr. Gagnon continued by giving an 

overview of the FY17 budget as well as reviewing Industry Support Workshops, International 

Workshops and Continuing Efforts. He also highlighted the new NAPMRC building and gave 

and update on the NAPTF vehicle informing the Subcommittee the vehicle will be out of 

commission until mid- May 2015 to replace 15 year old wheel sets. Mr. Gagnon gave a recap on 

Site Instrumentation and informed the Subcommittee the work being done at LaGuardia

International Airport, JFK International Airport, and Newark International Airports is still in 

progress while the work at Atlanta International Airport has been decommissioned. He also 

cited BWI and stated R&D is pursuing that location. 

Dr. David Brill, 40 year Design Life Initiatives Updates

Dr. Brill began his presentation with an overview of the budget for FY15 – 17 explaining the 

decrease in funding requirements for FY17 are due to the completion of the collection of field 

data by that time. He reviewed the objective of the project is to be able to double pavement life 

to 40 years including a review of budget needs. Dr. Brill informed the Subcommittee this is a 

four year project that is now in year 3 and they will continue with the collection of field data 

through next year. Dr. Brill reviewed the airport locations for data collection and the two types 

of data collection are Airport Data and Field Data. He explained the PA40 and gave a review of 

the data collection being downloaded. He gave an overview of the PA40 Organizational

Concept and the current work that is being performed. Dr. Brill continued by reviewing 

Laboratory Field Sample Testing along with presenting a summary of lab tests and showing 

examples of the materials tested. Dr. Brill conclude by informing the Subcommittee the Subject 

Matter Expert Group has met twice since Fall 2014 meeting. 

Dr. Navneet Garg, National Airport Pavement Materials and Research Center

Dr. Garg began his presentation by highlighting the NAPMRC and explained the increase in 

funding for FY17 is for data analysis and operational costs. He proceeded with a review of the 

HVS-A and Test Strips testing including a review of details of the testing and data collected.

Dr. Garg also gave an overview of core testing performed in the laboratory and supplied a chart 

listing the organization for future research. Dr. Garg highlighted the test cycles (TC-1 & TC-2)

to be completed in the new facility. 

Mr. Murphy Flynn, New R&D Facilities

Mr. Flynn began his presentation with giving an overview of the NAPMRC, Building 298 

construction and progress. He gave an overview of the FAA R&D buildings and the purpose 

they have for their specific projects. Mr. Flynn stated there have been pavement delays in the 

NAPMRC building and the contract for paving has been extended until May 22, 2015. Mr. 

Flynn supplied pictures of the construction cycles of the NAPMRC. Mr. Flynn continued his 
presentation by including projects that would benefit from having new/additional facilities and 

supplied a summary of locations. The Subcommittee questioned where the funding for the new 

facilities comes from and Dr. Hovan responded the funding comes out of the research budget. 

Mr. Flynn explained the new facilities and maintaining Building 296 which is 15 years old is 

why the funding requirement increased for FY2017.

Lunch Break - 12:20p.m.-12:40p.m.

Dr. Navneet Garg, Field Instrumentation Projects

Dr. Garg began by giving an overview of Field Instrumentation Projects and budget citing 

LaGuardia International, JFK International, and Newark International as airports where data 

collection is ongoing. He explained the Stain Gages project and the installation process and 

locations within the runways at the participating airports. Dr. Garg provided results of the 

different data collection and explained the objectives of the project are to study curling in slabs, 

measure total strain and load induced strain in slabs under multi-gear aircraft such as A-380, B777, and B-747 for example. He further explained the layout and full instrumentation plan at 

JFK International Airport. 

Mr. Al Larkin, NDT Update

Mr. Larkin began his presentation with an overview of the NDT Program Plan and FY17 budget. 

He explained how the NDT vehicle was used in data collection for Cape May County Airport 

Runway project and included pictures of the different angles of images taken. Mr. Larkin 

presented a comparison chart to show the different imaging taken a different speeds and 

explained how R&D is collecting 2D and 3D images and is hoping to develop software that will 

identify anomalies within the pavement. Mr. Larkin continued by explaining the new 

technologies for profiling and the use of GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) and how it’s the first 

time used in field data collection. The Subcommittee questioned if Mr. Larkin found the GPR 

useful. Mr. Larkin responded stating it has only been used in three locations and R&D hasn’t 

had the opportunity to use it fully. What he believes based on results he has seen from other test 

he thinks it will be useful. He also acknowledges it can be hard to detect difference in 

base/surface layer with the GPR. Mr. Larkin continued explaining the testing performed for CC7 

was initiated because there is currently no existing standard for airport pavement texture. He 

informed the Subcommittee the Advisory Circular has a recommendation and the purpose of 

CC7 testing is to measure how close CC7 is to the recommendation, and how the texture values 

change with respect to traffic. Mr. Larkin concluded his presentation informing the 

Subcommittee of proposed research inquiry from the NY/NJ Port Authority about pavement 

texture values before and after runway rubber removal. He informed the Subcommittee the FAA 

R&D program will propose to participate in this research. 

Mr. Charles Ishee, Heated Pavements

Mr. Ishee began his presentation by reviewing the funding for FY 15-17 and giving an overview 

of the Heated Pavements project including outcomes and rationale behind the project. He 

highlighted the current projects for Heated Pavements and the participating universities. Mr. 

Ishee updated the Subcommittee on the Greater Binghamton Airport location and informing the 

Subcommittee a Formal Report on winter performance will be submitted to R&D by May 2015. 
Mr. Ishee gave and overview of the system installed at the Greater Binghamton Airport and how 

it is utilized by heating the pavement in the winter months and cooling it in the summer months. 

He further explained that the research on this system at this location will be ongoing for at least 

two more years. Mr. Ishee explained the process for data collection by the airport and presented 

a sample via graph slide to the Subcommittee. Mr. Ishee informed the subcommittee the airport 

was required to install a kiosk explaining the installation and purpose of the system for the 

general public. Mr. Ishee explained the overview summary including energy savings is due to 

R&D by the end of summer 2015. Mr. Ishee explained the process for determine energy and 

financial viability and the Cost/Benefit Ratio. He stated the Cost/Benefit ratio would be lower at 

airports with little or no snowfall and higher at airports with high rates of snowfall but they have 

found the amount of snowfall does not affect the cost/benefit ratio. Mr. Ishee added the possible 

cost benefit in regards to Safety and having this system could possibly cut down on employee 

injuries. He continued by stating that the true savings would most likely be passed onto the 

airlines and the passengers with the airports and FAA incurring the costs. Mr. Ishee informed 

the Subcommittee discussions with airports regarding snow removal on runways is not an issue 

but the gates are the issue. Mr. Ishee proceeded by informing the Subcommittee natural gas has 

the highest cost benefit ratio. When performing the comparison geothermal, electric and gas 

were all taken into account as well as current prices. Mr. Ishee continued by presenting Nano 

Structured Super hydrophobic Coatings and explained the purpose of the coating is that snow 

and sleet will not adhere to it. He reviewed different materials being tested for the 

Subcommittee and stated the objective and processes for the different research. He continued by 

giving a summary of the FY15 Plan as well as introducing future heated pavement projects 

including the FY16 plan including the use of the NAPTF and NAPMRC facilities. Mr. Ishee 

concluded his presentation with and overview of the FY17 Plan to include finding an airport to 

participate in the construction and testing of heated pavement technologies.

Conclusion - The Subcommittee suggested moving forward finding a participating airport. 

The Discussions/Report/Recommendations portion of the meeting commenced at 1:30 p.m.

The Subcommittee started discussing the FY16-17 Airport Environmental Research and FY17 

and beyond, Emerging, Future Issues Research Presentations and whether these are process or 

research topics and whether the funding is appropriate to cover the needs of the projects. 

Conclusion - the Subcommittee agreed to revisit these projects in August in more detail

specifically funding for Runway Simulator vs Airport Planning. The Subcommittee planned to

schedule a webinar to gain further understanding for those on the Subcommittee who are 

interested. Mr. Oswald informed the Subcommittee he will invite via email. 

Aircraft Braking Friction Program

The Subcommittee agreed this project is producing positive output

Conclusion – the Subcommittee supports proceeding with the project. 

Action – arrange for the sister project from FAA give briefing at the next meeting and Mr. Breen 

supply a revised schedule with explanations why testing was not completed this past winter 

season and why it did not impact the testing schedule.
Overall Wildlife Program

The Subcommittee briefly discussed the Wildlife project and agreed it is progressing positively

Conclusion – the Subcommittee supports proceeding with this project.

Low Cost Ground Surveillance Radar

Conclusion – moving forward with Concept of Operations including what the end result of this 

research will be. 

Safety Database

The Subcommittee discussed the implications of data being released. 

Conclusion – Provide a POC as well as refer to AIS first recommendation has been closed. 

Safety Surface Initiatives Team

Conclusion – the Subcommittee agreed airports need to be aware of the content of reports.

National Airport Pavement Materials and Research Center (NAPMRC)

Conclusion – the Subcommittee agreed clearer objectives are needed for TCI and TC2. 

Heated Pavements

Conclusion – the Subcommittee suggested moving forward finding a participating airport. 

The Subcommittee agreed on the 2017 budget. 

It was discussed that in the future the Subcommittee will receive the agenda and presentations 

two weeks in advance of the Subcommittee meeting. These materials will be posted on the 

REDEAC website. 

The Subcommittee agreed updated finding and meeting minutes must be submitted by Friday, 

April 10, 2015.

Mr. Oswald reiterated he will send an email invite for the UAS web brief interest. 

Meeting Adjourned 2:47 p.m.
Research, Engineering and Development Advisory Committee

PPT Briefing to Sub-committee on Airports: March 31 – April 1 - 2015

FAA Technical Center Director’s Conference Room

DAY 1 – March 31, 2015

8:30 am Mr. Christopher Oswald Introduction

ACI-NA, Subcommittee Chairperson

8:45 am Dennis Filler, Technical Center and Aviation Research Division Updates

Technical Center Director

Dr. Eric Neiderman, Manager, FAA Aviation Research Division, ANG-E2

Jaime Figueroa

Manager, FAA Research and Development Division, ANG-E4

9:00 am Dr. Michel Hovan Objectives of this meeting (FY-17 Budget)

Airports Technology R&D Branch Manager Contract update

Budget FY-15-16-17

Airport Environmental Research (FY-16)

9:15 am Dr. Mike McNerney AAS-100AAS/HQ Update

Deputy Manager, FAA Office of Airports 

Safety and Standards Division, AAS-100

9:25 am Subcommittee Members and Others Review of REDAC Recommendation

9:30 am Mr. Christopher Oswald and Emerging and Future opportunities

Sub-committee Members

10:30 am Break

10:45 am Mr. Jim Patterson 2015 Safety Projects + Plans for FY-16-17

Airport Safety R&D Section Manager

11:15 am Mr. Ryan King Overall Wildlife Program (updates)

11:30 am Mr. Robert Bassey Research Taxiway

Low Cost Ground Surveillance Radar

Airport Construction Sign

12:00 - 12:45 pm Lunch (Cafeteria)

12:45 pm Ms. Lauren Vitagliano Airport Noise (updates)

Safety Database

Complex Taxiway Geometry

1:15 pm Mr. Don Gallagher Rumble Strips (Updates)
1:30 pm Mr. Nick Subbotin Arrestor Systems

2:00 pm Break 

2:15 pm Mr. Keith Bagot ARRF Program Updates

2:30 pm Mike DiPilato Safety Surface Initiatives Team (Updates)

SRA

2:45 pm Mr. Kent Duffy FACT 3 Reports, Runway Simulator

Airport Planning

3:30 pm Ms. Lauren Vitagliano FY-16-17 Airport Environmental Research (New)

Ralph Nicosia-Rusin FY7 and beyond – Emerging – Future Research

4:15 pm Sub-Committee members Recommendations of the day

4:30 pm Adjourn

DAY 2 –April 1

8:30 am Mr. Joe Breen Trapezoidal Grooves 

9:00 am Mr. Joe Breen Aircraft Braking Friction Program 

10:00 am Break

10:15 AM Mr. Jeffrey Gagnon 2015 Pavement Projects + Plans for FY-16-17

Airport Pavement R&D Section Manager

10:30 am Dr. David Brill 40 Year Design Life Initiatives (Updates)

10:50 am Dr. Navneet Garg National Airport Pavement Materials and Research Center 

11:10 am Mr. Murphy Flynn New R&D Facilities

11:30 am Dr. Navneet Garg Field Instrumentation Projects

12:00 pm Lunch (Cafeteria)

1:00 pm Mr. Al Larkin NDT Update 

1:15 pm Dr. Charles Ishee Heated Pavements

1:30 pm Discussions/Report/Recommendations

2:30 pm Adjourn
REDAC

Subcommittee on Airports

In Attendance, March 31, 2015

Ryan Rutter, FAA

Navneet Garg, FAA

Jeff Gagnon, FAA

Al Larkin, FAA

David R. Brill, FAA

Charles A. Ishee, FAA

Al Pollard, REDAC

Gary L. Mitchell, ACPA

Monte Symons, Montista Consultant

Michael Roginski, BOEING

Chris Oswald, ACI-NA

Michel Hovan, FAA

Eric Neiderman, FAA

Rick Kessel, ALPA

Jaime Figueroa, FAA 

Jeffery Wait, APLA

Eduardo Juranovic, BOEING

Jim Patterson, FAA

Robert Bassey, FAA

Holy Cyrus, FAA

Xiaogong Lee, FAA

Keith Bagot, FAA

Mike McNerney, FAA

Don Gallagher, FAA

Siddhartha Majumdar, UIUC

Qingge Jia, FAA

David Mayer, UIUC

Peter Sparacino, FAA

Lauren Vitagliano, FAA

Nick Subbotin, FAA

Ryan King, FAA

Bill Allen, SRA International

Erin Heffron, SRA International

Jennifer Klass, SRA International

Flavio Leo, Massport

Gregg Clime, FAA

Kent Duffy, FAA
Chinita Roundtree-Coleman, FAA

Dennis Filler, FAA

William Crossley, Pegasus/Purdue

Darcy Bullock, Pegasus/Purdue

In Attendance, April 1, 2015

James Zargan, SRA International

Hector Daiutolo, SRA International

Ryan King, FAA

Joe Breen, FAA

Xiaogong Lee, FAA

Rob Pavers, SRA International

Injun Song, SRA International

Nick Subbotin, FAA

Jennifer Klass, SRA International

Peter Sparacino, FAA

Chinita Roundtree-Coleman, FAA

Erin Heffron, SRA International

Mike Dipilato, SRA International

Larry VanHoy, LUHAVIATION

Darcy Bullock, Pegasus/Purdue

Yelda Turkan, Iowa State University

Kim Kurtis, Pegagus/Georgia Tech

Paul Tan, FAA

Halil Ceylon, Rowan University

William Crossley, Pegasus/Purdue

Katrina Warren, Engineered Arresting Systems

Nick Olmsted, Pats Aircraft

Dan Zollinger, Pegasus/Texas A&M University

Jerry Connelly, SRA International

Jim Parsons, ARA

Rich Speir, ARA

Bill Allen, SRA International

Ryan Rutter, FAA

Jeff Gagnon, FAA

Mike Gernant, PANYNJ

Al Pollard, Martin State Airport

Monte Symons, Montista Consultant

Gary L. Mitchell, ACPA

Michael Roginski, BOEING

Flavio Leo, Massport
Chris Oswald, ACI-NA

Michel Hovan, FAA

Ralph Nicosio, FAA

Rick Kessel, ALPA

Jeff Wait, ALPA

Eduardo Juranovic, BOEING

Mike McNerney, FAA

Jim Patterson, FAA

Greg Clime, FAA

Doug Johnson, FAA

David R. Brill, FAA

Al Larkin, FAA

Navneet Garg, FAA

Murphy Flynn, FAA

Charles Ishee, FAA

Qingge Jia, FAA