REDAC Subcommittee on Airports

Summer/Fall Meeting 2017

August 15 – 16 

FAA - William J. Hughes Technical Center

Building 300 – Technical Director’s Conference Room

Note taker: Erin DeBarth, Michel Hovan

Day One: August 15, 2017

The meeting formally began at 9:20 a.m with Mr. Christopher Oswald thanking everyone for 

attending. The Subcommittee members, presenters, and attendees were introduced. Mr. Oswald 

explained the purpose of this meeting was to look forward and develop and guide for a strategic 

plan in the future. He stated there will be a discussion on the FAA 10-year plan, and suggestions 

were welcomed for research going into FY 2020. Mr. Oswald explained the need to see what was

missing, and what can be incorporated into recommendations further down the road. He reiterated 

the primary focus of the Subcommittee was to provide oversight, and suggestions. Mr. Oswald 

advised Subcommittee members to ask questions on anything presented over the next two days, 

and bring forward any project ideas, or deep dive requests. Mr. Oswald informed Subcommittee 

members that Cyber Security was a big focus at the spring REDAC Meeting, and asked the 

Subcommittee to think about the possibility of looking into that on the Airports side. He stated 

there was also continued focus on Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS), cross-cutting research in 

regards to autonomous vehicles, commercial space, and environmental projects. 

Dr. Eric Neiderman, Aviation Research Division, began by explaining that the meeting would

follow the more traditional agenda than the spring meeting. He informed the Subcommittee the 

Aviation Research Division has hired new staff in the past three years, and that most hired have 

many years in industry experience. Dr. Neiderman explained the fellowship program in place 

with the Partnership to Enhance General Aviation Safety, Accessibility and Sustainability 

(PEGASAS) program, and commented that it has been extremely positive and produced 

outstanding results. He informed the Subcommittee the branch review was held two weeks ago, 

and stated that it was exciting to see where the field was going. Dr. Neiderman referenced the 

interest in Cyber Security, and questioned if it fitted into the R & D portfolio, adding that there 

were currently no requirements or specifications for Airports, and feedback was needed. He 

explained research has a pretty good idea of FY18, but needed input for FY19 and beyond. 

Mr. Jaime Figueroa, Deputy Director, began by welcoming the subcommittee. He stated that

research was looking to the subcommittee for input, specifically on the issue of Cyber Security. 

He asked the subcommittee to see if everything was there, and what was missed. 

Dr. Michel Hovan, ATR Update, Dr. Hovan began by presenting an update on the budget, and 

explained the official numbers were in the budget narratives. He stated FY17 was current, and 

FY18 and FY19 numbers have been submitted. Dr. Hovan informed the subcommittee the Airport 

Technology Research (ATR) Branch asked for 31 million dollars in FY17, and was asking for 

33 million dollars for FY18 and FY19. He explained the increase was due to an added Pavement 

Laboratory, and some other facility improvements, adding there was certainty with the FY18 and 

FY19 budgets. Dr. Hovan explained to the subcommittee the ATR Branch was given one year to 

obligate the funding, but may take more than one year to spend the funding. He explained ninety 
percent of the funding went to contractors and universities. Ten percent of the budget went to new 

research requests. 

Dr. Hovan continued by stating the amount of FAA full time employees might decrease over the 

next few years due to a reduction in authorized full time positions. He explained the FY17 budget

is being used to cover the contractor’s research work into the FY18 fiscal year without 

interruption. Dr. Hovan informed the Subcommittee the presentations scheduled will be at the 

Research Project Area (RPA) level. He added Mr. Paul Giesman will be giving the deep dive on 

the Aircraft Braking Friction project, and there will be a discussion on the 10-year plan. 

Mr. John Dermody, Headquarters Update, began by informing the subcommittee a lot of work 

is under way adding Dr. Hovan, Mr. Jeff Gagnon, and Mr. Jim Patterson do an excellent job 

managing the research programs. He explained the research program always has more needs, and 

he has been working with Dr. Hovan on prioritizing projects, explaining there will always be new 

requests for research that arise, citing new Engineered Material Arresting System (EMAS)

materials, Light Emitting Diode (LED) Lighting Systems, and Takeoff and Landing Performance 

Assessment (TALPA). He explained the ATR research is a very adaptive program and it is set 

up to be able to reorganize research priorities if needed. 

Subcommittee Discussion – Cyber Security 

Mr. Dermody informed the subcommittee in late February 2017 that FAA Headquarters received 

a directive from Congress to come up with a Cyber Security Plan. Mr. Dermody stated the plan 

will be updated annually and should include a five-year profile. He explained there were not too 

many details regarding the regulatory needs, requirements, and infrastructure requirements. Mr. 

Oswald suggested doing a gap analysis on the airport infrastructure side and communicate

capabilities. He also suggested looking into utilities, lighting, and expanding the airport role, and 

finding out the vulnerabilities, and how significant of a threat do they produce. Mr. Oswald 

suggested there may be a value in exploring how this fits in with TSA. The subcommittee 

discussed looking into the human factors portion and threat assessment. The subcommittee also 

suggested research to look into what the Department of Defense (DoD) is doing. Mr. Dermody

explained the plan in place was a working document and that an advisory committee will be 

reviewing it next quarter. The subcommittee suggested looking into Wi-Fi interference and 

compromising of mission critical systems. Mr. Dermody stated this will continue to grow, and 

that time has come to look into vulnerabilities and perform a gap analysis. The subcommittee 

asked to get a copy of the plan. 

Subcommittee and FAA Discussion – Review of Recommendations

Discussion on open and draft recommendations took place. 

Mr. Jim Patterson, Overview of Safety RPAs, began the presentation with a review of the projects 

and plans. He informed the Subcommittee Safety research section was at full capacity with the 

new hires over the past year. Mr. Patterson presented the FY17 projects and the 19 new requests 

for research. Dr. Hovan added that ATR research was currently operating under a Continuing 

Resolution (CR), and it made it harder to prioritize due to getting the funding in increments. He 

explained that all funding allocations for FY17 had been made and that new research will have to 

be programmed for FY18. Mr. Patterson continued explaining the new projects on the forefront, 

including looking into drones to perform inspections on airports, the use of autonomous vehicles

on the airfield, and the flashing vs steady lights project. Mr. Dermody added that while the FAA 

was looking into priorities for FY18, the UAS applications in airports came up, explaining the

UAS Working Group polled airports and perimeter security was on the top of the priority list. 
Mr. Mike DiPilato, RPA S1 Airport Planning and Design, RPA S2 Airport Safety Data Mining, 

began the presentation by giving a brief overview of the budget, and research request, citing the 

Runway Exit Design Mode (REDIM) program was built in the 1990’s and has not been updated. 

He explained that this could be used by planners for new runway construction projects. Mr. 

DiPilato stated the project was in the second year working with Virginia Tech, and the validation 

work was being performed at Chicago O’Hare Airport, and should be wrapping up soon. Mr. 

DiPilato explained the new project Indoor Navigation (Wayfinding for BVI Passengers), is a focus

on the terminal areas to help visually impaired passengers navigate the terminals unassisted. He 

informed the Subcommittee they were in a two year grant with the University of Minnesota, and

stated a technical note has been published in December 2016, and ATR is working on performing

field trials at multiple airports. Mr. DiPilato continued reviewing the Taxiway Centerline 

Deviation project by giving a brief overview of the work that has been done, and the next steps for 

research, adding the scheduled completion date is December 2017. Mr. DiPilato presented the 

Spaceport Gap Analysis explaining it was a two phase study currently wrapping up Phase One 

with scheduled completion for the end of FY17. He informed the subcommittee Phase Two was

scheduled to begin in FY18 with a final report completed by the end of FY18. Mr. DiPilato 

continued with presenting Runway Incursion Mitigation (RIM) Data Collection and reviewed 

some highlights of the project to include sponsor access granted in 2016, and the hosting of two 

training webinars. He continued by presenting examples of the tracking tool and interactive 

dashboard. The subcommittee asked how current the data was, and where was the data coming 

from. Mr. DiPilato stated it was current up to 2015, and the data came from actual incursion 

reports. The subcommittee asked if this data was only available to United States airports. Mr. 

Dermody interjected stating yes for now, adding it has been briefed at International Civil Aviation 

Organization (ICAO) meetings, but no one has reached out. The subcommittee raised concerns 

about the consistency of the narratives, and the information getting out to the media. The 

subcommittee stated the process for obtaining and entering the information could be better. Mr. 

DiPilato began presenting the Data Mining project by giving a brief history of the project, the 

capabilities and products. He explained the information was for internal use only, and the annual 

analysis report will be completed in the near future. The subcommittee suggested a potential 

research project would be to come up with a risk calculation. Mr. DiPilato stated the next steps 

include making the database more visible. 

Mr. Keith Bagot, RPA S3 Airport Rescue and Fire Fighting (ARFF), began the presentation by 

giving an overview of the program, and new research requests. He gave a status update on the new 

Fire Test Building stating the design completion was one hundred percent completed in April 2017, 

and ATR is hoping to get the construction award in FY18. Mr. Bagot reviewed the current projects 

underway, and the new requests for research ARFF Crystallization and Vehicle Performance 

Testing Standards. Mr. Bagot concluded his presentation reviewing the Thermal Balance during

Fire Extinguishment project. The Subcommittee asked when this will be incorporated into 

Part 139 of the FAA Code of Federal Regulations. Mr. Bagot stated ATR was still in the data 

collection phase, trying to see how it worked with both fire trucks, and that a technical shutdown

at the Technical Center put them behind schedule. The Subcommittee asked when the research 

will be completed. Mr. Bagot stated he was hoping to have testing wrapped by the end of fall 

2017. 

Mr. Mike Talotta, RPA S4 Wildlife Hazard Mitigation, began the presentation with a review of 

the budget explaining it is a steady 1.5 million from FY17- FY19. He informed the subcommittee 

of the work performed by the University of Illinois, explaining that was still need validation. Dr. 

Hovan added there are no open research requests for this project, and he met with FAA HQ (AAS-
300) on July 26, 2017, and it was decided AAS-300 will generate requests that align with REDAC 

recommendations and project objectives. Mr. Talotta informed the subcommittee airframe 

manufacturers have contacted the research partners at the Smithsonian, and were interested in 

using the data collected from this project. Mr. Talotta explained the Wildlife Database was 

supposed to go live in August 2017, but had incurred some issues and was on hold. He proceeded

with presenting the Wildlife Information Collision (WISC) Program explaining ATR was looking

at how controllers would use this information and get it to pilots and operators. Mr. Talotta stated 

this system would be more accurate that what was currently being used. The subcommittee 

commented that there had been a lot of work with WISC, Human Factors, and Next Rad 

Technology, but agreed it still needed work. The subcommittee suggested a better approach to 

find a way to get birds away from the airport, or using this as an alerting tool versus using it as 

changing the course of aircraft. The subcommittee stated this has gained so much attention due to 

the content being media driven and there was a risk mitigation issue that should be looked into. 

Mr. Don Gallagher, Ms. Holly Cyrus, RPA S5 Visual Guidance (LED’s, Markings) Mr. 

Gallagher began the presentation by reviewing the budget, and the request for research. He 

explained ATR chose two companies to work with. Mr. Gallagher stated Company One designed

a new light and sent two to ATR for testing, and Company Two sent six standard edge lights for 

testing. He reviewed the results of the testing explaining with the LED lights the test pilots 

communicated they lost sight of the lights upon approach. The subcommittees asked what traffic 

pattern were the pilots using. Mr. Gallagher explained the pilots were using a basic traffic pattern. 

Mr. Gallagher stated the consistency was that pilots were stating they needed lighting that falls 

outside of current specifications. He continued stating Phase one was currently in progress, and 

the plan was to inventory what was currently out there. 

Ms. Holly Cyrus, Paint Markings, began the presentation with a brief overview of the project. 

She explained the projects at both Manchester and Hanscom Bedford, stating data was taken on 

color, coverage, retro reflectivity after one year and all were in acceptable limits. Ms. Cyrus 

presented the new study done at Newark and Atlantic City Airports in New Jersey explaining all 

bead and material types were used with the exception of epoxy, and rubber removal had to be 

completed twice in three months. The subcommittee asked if friction tests were performed. Ms. 

Cyrus stated friction tests were completed with the SAAB friction test vehicle at Atlantic City. 

Mr. Joe Breen, Trapezoidal Grooving Project Update, began the presentation reviewing the 

research background. He informed the subcommittee the FAA was in the process of awarding the 

contract for construction of the test bed at Atlantic City. Mr. Breen explained this was a three 

Phase project with Phase One and Two being design and construction, and Phase Three being 

actual testing with a completion date scheduled for October 31, 2018. He reviewed the 

methodology of the testing for the subcommittee. The subcommittee asked if any testing will be 

done with the aircraft auto braking system. Mr. Breen stated the aircraft doesn’t have an auto 

braking system, so they will perform the testing using maximum braking which will test the antiskid limits as well. Mr. Breen explained the objective was to find out if Trapezoidal Grooves 

perform better than FAA Standard Grooves. 

Mr. Paul Giesman, Aircraft Braking Friction Working Group, Deep Dive, Mr. Giesman 

introduced himself and gave an overview of the working group, the purpose, and participants. He 

informed the subcommittee the first meeting was held in February 2017, and the second meeting 

was held in June 2017. Mr. Giesman gave a history of when the issue of braking friction arose, 

explaining it was the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) stemming from the 2005 

Midway accident. He stated safety recommendations were established and then closed until the 
LaGuardia accident in 2015. Mr. Giesman informed the Subcommittee of the FAA standards on 

wetted pavement, and the new FAA research program schedule to begin in 2019. He explained 

the new program is not centered on the NTSB recommendations, but the NTSB comments in 

regards to TALPA CFR Part 25 AC from 2015. Mr. Giesman continued by briefing the 

Subcommittee on the Technical Center’s objectives of work performed with the 727. He reviewed 

the working group’s observations, and what they determined were the project’s limitations. Mr. 

Giesman suggested this work can be used to look at ESDU model to predict snow covered runways 

wheel braking coefficient/friction. He reviewed the FAA’s Operational Landing Research Project 

and conclusions from the research, adding that reports were still coming out. Mr. Giesman 

proceeded by informing the technical issues the working group agreed were related to the project, 

including the speed of the aircraft during testing was not adequate with research being done, and 

the test aircraft not being airworthy. He explained that manufacturers perform braking friction 

tests to test their anti-skid systems, but the issue was getting the manufacturers to share the data. 

Mr. Giesman presented the short term and long term feedback and suggestions from the working 

group. He stated short term they would like to see ATR gather all the information from known 

research on testing, wheel braking performance standards, research to establish uncertainty in the 

presently available methods to establish Rescue Coordination Center (RCC), and compile and 

evaluate drainage prediction methods as to facilitate identification of flooded runaway as opposed 

to wet runway. Mr. Giesman stated the long term feedback was strategic and tactical planning to 

accomplish what was determined to be the biggest friction issues in the industry based on 

knowledge of the current industry standard and expected developments. He reviewed some 

probable directions for strategic consideration as aircraft landing/braking performance on wet 

surfaces and classification and measurement of weather related contamination on runways. Mr. 

Giesman added that FAA needed to determine who the clientele was, bringing up questions such 

as; does the research only pertain to FAA airports, airports the United States flies into, or the 

United States manufacturers who operate everywhere? He added determining the clientele will 

give an idea as to what was needed to be done. The Subcommittee discussed and agreed that the 

research need was much broader, and suggested getting other agencies involved. Mr. John 

Dermody explained that this had been a group effort citing work with FAA Flight Standards and 

Office of Airports. The subcommittee asked if the working group was working towards generating 

a plan for this project. Dr. Hovan stated they have identified the issues, and added that the budget 

is a challenge. He explained he believed the outcome of the next (third) meeting will be a draft 

plan of where to go, a whitepaper with needs, and it will identify what has to be done. Dr. Hovan 

continued stating next winter data will be continued to be collected, and it will be used for the 

Trapezoidal Groove project. 

The Subcommittee asked if the working group was trying to redirect the scope of work, explaining 

that the scope of work had seemed to change from the beginning of the project. Mr. Breen 

interjected stating ATR was focusing on measuring friction at the tire/pavement interface then 

taking data and relate it to aircraft parameters and determine what parameters generated by aircraft 

to be used for braking friction, adding that was why they have equipped the aircraft with strain 

gages. The Subcommittee agreed the strain gage measurements were a good start for measuring 

parameters, but stated the constraints of the testing still remain. The Subcommittee discussed the 

viability of the research, the research approach, and how it fitted into broader goals. The 

Subcommittee questioned if this was cross cutting research, and how to approach it at the full 

REDAC. The Subcommittee agreed this was valuable data being collected and didn’t require more 

money. The Subcommittee asked how hard it would be to fit this into a plan, adding that a new 

plan needed to be developed with a defined objective. Mr. Oswald asked Dr. Hovan to have the 

working group inform the Subcommittee after they have come to a consensus of determining the 

objective. Dr. Hovan stated what he saw coming out of the group was a more concise plan, and 
they will have something more solid by the next REDAC in March 2018. Mr. Giesman asked if 

ATR knew anything about the FAA braking program, and suggested ATR look into it. Mr. Oswald 

suggested the Subcommittee make a recommendation that the working group work with the Office 

of Airports, and Flight Standards to help redefine the research objective and develop a plan to help 

reach those objectives. The Subcommittee agreed after Mr. Giesman’s presentation, this was a 

high priority project. 
Day Two: August 16, 2017

Mr. Oswald welcomed everyone, and explained Day Two was primarily Pavements, but there 

had been a few schedule changes. He asked the Subcommittee to start thinking of key points to 

emphasize priorities, and new items to add for future research efforts. Mr. Dermody stated the 

Subcommittee will probably understand the priorities based on the Research Project Area (RPA)

and new request set up, and informed the Subcommittee to ask any questions they have. Dr. 

Hovan stated the presentations chosen were based on research priorities, so the Subcommittee had

a view of the work under way. He explained he felt the ATR budget was appropriate at this time. 

Dr. Hovan continued explaining that if budget reductions come into play happen, then ATR will 

have to readdress all the research program. Mr. Oswald interjected suggesting adding Unmanned 

Aircraft System (UAS) to the priority first along with Cybersecurity, stating there had already 

been an increased level of effort on this topic. He continued by stating Subcommittee would like 

to see a refocus with the Braking Friction project to include a broader research effort. The 

Subcommittee asked if ATR had thought about looking at rapid repair materials. Mr. Jeff Gagnon 

stated repair and maintenance are not Airport Improvement Program (AIP) funded so ATR would 

have to look closely on whether it was worth spending funding for that research. 

Mr. Jim Patterson, Noise Programs, began the presentation by highlighting the new requests, 

and the coordination with other agencies. He stated ATR was very excited about the number of 

data points they have received. Mr. Patterson continued by giving an overview of next steps, 

including looking at mitigation, and what the noise level meant to the agency. Mr. Oswald 

commented this was being watched nervously close in regards to what it will be to the Agency 

and airports. He stated this was going to be huge politically as well. Mr. Patterson continued 

explaining the National Phone Analysis will begin in September 2017 using the same research 

team. Mr. Oswald interjected stating the follow up to this study had raised a lot of concerns with 

congress, other communities, and even on an international level. Mr. Patterson continued by

presenting the Noise Dispersion with Equivalent Space Operations Performance Based 

Navigation (PBN) Procedures, explaining it was in progress, purchase requisitions (PR’s) are in 

place, and just waiting on funding. 

Mr. Kent Duffy, Airport Planning Research 10-Year Plan, began the presentation explaining the 

plan and the objectives, stating the FAA had to be flexible and also had to make sure the 

framework fitted into priorities. He explained the work that needed to be done had to align with 

the Office of Airports, and had to include topics that can be used. Mr. Duffy stated in regards to 

environmental research, a lot of money had been spent on noise, sustainability, and land use. He 

continued presenting Planning Research explaining they were looking at data synthesis, new 

technologies, and comprehensive planning. Mr. Duffy informed the Subcommittee planning and 

environmental were linked, and the 10-year work began last fall. He explained a series of webinars 

were held to brief out goals and objectives and to gain input from communities. Mr. Duffy added 

the FAA partnered with TRB and used research services to take ideas. Mr. Oswald commented 

that the goals and objectives aren’t always in line with REDAC, but serve a purpose for future 

ground work. He commended Mr. Duffy for reaching out to industry for input, and expressed 

interest on having Mr. Duffy speak on the final plan at the spring meeting. Mr. Duffy stated the 

industry calls were worthwhile, but what was most challenging with building the plan was 

determining what the non-research components of the plan. 

Mr. Jeff Gagnon, Overview of Pavement RPAs, began the presentation by giving an overview of 

projects, plans, and REDAC recommendations. He reviewed the recommendations beginning 
with the fly ash substitute stating that there needed to be more discussion on this topic. Mr. 

Gagnon explained ATR is working with UC- Davis on full depth reclamation, and drainable bases 

were included in (test cycle) CC7 testing, and once it was complete they will look at the data. Mr. 

Gagnon continued informing the Subcommittee of the report publications published, and what 

was in the draft phase. He stated ATR was working on the 10-Year Research Plan, and it had a 

tentative completion date for the end of 2017. Mr. Gagnon informed the Subcommittee of the 

Technical Advisory Group and its members, as well as informing the Subcommittee of the ASCE 

Conference being held in Philadelphia, PA in August 2017. 

Mr. Ryan Rutter, RPA P1, NAPTF, began the presentation by giving an overview of the National 

Airport Pavement Test Facility (NAPTF) funding, research goals, and projects. He informed the 

Subcommittee (test cycle) CC8 reconstruction should completed by the end of 2017, along with 

the Reflective Cracking Website. Mr. Rutter added the reconstruction of the Reflective Cracking 

Phase 6 reconstruction could possibly begin in late 2017 as well. Mr. Rutter gave the breakdown 

of NAPTF Construction projects, adding the CC9 planning is underway and 

demolition/reconstruction is anticipated to begin by late 2017. Mr. Rutter informed the 

Subcommittee the facility operations and all Delivery Order Five is supported by subcontractor, 

CSRA. 

Dr. Navneet Garg, National Airport Pavement and Materials Research Center (NAPMRC), RPA 

P2, began his presentation giving an overview of the budget, and project objectives. Dr. Garg 

informed the Subcommittee Test Cycle One was complete, and the Post Traffic Report was in 

progress. He stated the construction of Test Cycle Two was in progress and will take place in the 

fall of 2017. Dr. Garg explained sensor installation will begin as well, adding that post traffic 

data analysis was ongoing. Dr. Garg reviewed the methodology of testing and summary of results, 

and highlighted the grant work performed with Texas A & M University. Dr. Garg continued by

presenting Field Instrumentation RPA P3 by giving an overview of research objectives and project 

budget. He informed the Subcommittee of the locations where testing is completed and of future 

installation locations, as well as locations still in the discussion phase. Dr. Garg presented 

preliminary data collected from Boston (completed location), and explained the installation layout 

in Philadelphia (future location). 

Mr. Ben Mahaffey, Advanced Materials, RPA P4, began the presentation by reviewing the 

budget, needs for research, and research goals. He informed the Subcommittee of five new reports

on Heated Pavements that were being edited and one that has been published. Mr. Mahaffey 

explained the work done with Heated Pavements was completely done through grant work and 

the end result was to update the Advisory Circular, to provide options, and hoping AIP funds 

cover a full scale install. Mr. Mahaffey provided a review of the Binghamton, New York and Des 

Moines, Iowa projects, explaining data wasstill being received from those locations. He explained 

the heated pavement cost analysis came out to 1.5 cents per square foot, per hour. The 

Subcommittee asked how that compared to the Geothermal systems. Mr. Mahaffey stated it 

cannot be compared because the Geothermal numbers were included in the total operating costs. 

He continued informing the Subcommittee that testing was currently being done on a small scale, 

and will be investigating the possible interference with aircraft. Mr. Mahaffey highlighted the 

partnerships with University of Nebraska, NY-NJ Port Authority and the US Army Corps of 

Engineers. Mr. Mahaffey concluded his presentation reviewing Phase Two, and stating it 

encompassed looking at the benefits, and finding optimal locations. Mr. Mahaffey concluded the 

presentation by giving an overview of the work that still needed to be done. Mr. Mahaffey gave 

an overview of the Pavement Laboratory Operation, including informing the Subcommittee of 

new equipment that will be used for CC7 Post Traffic Results. 
Dr. David Brill, Pavement Design and Evaluation, RPA P5, began the presentation by giving a

review of FAARFIELD (airport design software) Aircraft Classification Number (ACN)-

Pavement Classification Number (PCN) and an overview of what was new, including technical 

reports that have been published. Dr. Brill explained International Civil Aviation Organization 

(ICAO) ACN/PCN were still in use and the end goal of FAARFIELD would be an eventual 

replacement. He highlighted the accomplishments noting the project was on track for replacement 

for ACN-PCN system with ICAO for 2022. Dr. Brill explained Legacy Fortran Libraries were

still in place, and the challenge was not many young programmers know Fortran. He concluded 

the presentation by explaining GUI Modernization is in progress, stating the prototype was 

demonstrated July 2017, and the target completion date in July 2018. 

Dr. Michel Hovan, Facilities -Fire Safety Testing Facility RPA, Pavement Laboratory Addition, 

Dr. Hovan began by explaining that as he presented on Day One, the Pavement Lab Addition 

included the two-million dollars for the lab, and FY18 will be programmed for the Fire Test 

Facility. He reiterated the Fire Test Facility’s design plan was completed, and the new buildings 

have been approved, adding as far as he knew he was proceeding as usual. The Subcommittee 

asked about the possibility of getting the EPA involved to assist with funding of the Fire Test 

Facility. Mr. Keith Bagot explained the EPA has moved on, and it was doubtful that they would 

jump on board. He stated the short term issue was PFC, but there were a lots of long term 

possibilities for this facility, adding that it was the only one like it in the world. The Subcommittee 

asked if there was ever an outside source that would come in to pay for testing services. 

Mr. Bagot stated ARFF Program has a long term agency agreement with Tyndall Air Force Base, 

and that may become a two-way revenue stream in the future. 

Mr. Albert Larkin, NDT Technologies, RPA P6, began the presentation by giving an overview 

of the projects and budget. He highlighted the Cape May Pavement Roughness Project on 

Taxiway Charlie. Mr. Larkin presented pictures of the testing equipment used including the NDT 

Van, profiler, and straight edge. He explained the methodology used, and reviewed the results of 

the data collected, and the plan to perform another site visit to collect more data. 

Mr. Qingge Jia, Software Program Development and Support, RPA P7, began the presentation 

by giving an overview of funding, research goals and the need for research. He explained there 

was a need upgrade in order to keep up with technology, adding that cyber security was 

continuous. Mr. Jia gave an update on FAA PAVEAIR status explaining the number of databases, 

registered users, workshops, and foreign requests. He reviewed the current and future projects, 

and explained the baseline requirements for software integrations. Mr. Jia concluded the 

presentation by giving an overview of the ANG-260 Website, explaining it was a repository for 

all data collected, and presented the amount of visits to date in 2017. 

Dr. David Brill, Extended Pavement Life, RPA P8, began the presentation by giving a review of 

the need for research, and goals. He presented an overview of the runway data collection, 

explaining testing was performed on 28 runways, at 22 airports with the last collection in 

February, and explained this data will be integrated into the FAA PAVEAIR40 (PA40) database. 

Dr. Brill presented the PA40 status as of August 2017, and the PA40 Traffic Link status. Dr. Brill 

provided the preliminary data from testing at BWI and explained the results showed there was

some structural distress on the runway. He concluded the presentation with FY17 R & D efforts 

to include completing the population of PA40, and to perform field data collection at one 

additional runway selected from one currently in the PA40 database. 
Mr. Jim Patterson informed the Subcommittee that Mr. Don Gallagher revised his presentation 

and was uploaded to the REDAC database if there were any questions. 

Subcommittee Discussions, New Findings and Recommendations

Discussion on new recommendations, actions, general observations took place. List is in 

Addendum 1.

Next Meeting: The Subcommittee agreed the spring meeting will be on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 

and Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at the William J. Hughes Technical Center, in the conference 

room of Building 296. The Subcommittee agreed the summer/fall meeting will be on Tuesday, 

August 21, 2018 and Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at the William J. Hughes Technical Center, in 

the conference room of Building 296.

Meeting adjourned 2:40p.m.
ADDENDUM 1

FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTIONS

Review of Open and Draft Recommendations

Recommendation from Fall 2016

The one open recommendation was from the Fall 2016 Meeting 

The Subcommittee agreed to close this recommendation. 

General Observations

 FAARFIELD – suggesting expanding testing.

 Value of research needs to be added in the Pavement Presentations. 

 The quad chart in presentations is helpful. 

 Provide end date for projects in the presentations 

Actions

 RIM Database – speak to program office about process of reporting incursion information. 

Explore ways to expand pool of users and manage hot spot identification. 

 Safety Database – normalization of data, and develop methods to account for level of risks.

The Subcommittee made a suggestion for a demo and deep dive for the next meeting. 

 Cyber Security – vulnerability for infrastructure. Review initial Cyber Security Report 

and provide suggestions for inclusion of possible airport issues. Mr. Oswald will distribute 

initial report to Subcommittee members and schedule a conference call to discuss. 

 UAS – find potential uses for autonomous vehicles in airport environment.

 Wildlife Hazard Mitigation – Avian Radar – The Subcommittee is requesting a deep dive

to include the background/history of the program for the next meeting. 
ADDENDUM 2

REDAC Attendance List

August 15, 2017

Name Organization

Jaime Figueroa Federal Aviation Administration

Al Larkin Federal Aviation Administration

Al Pollard Maryland Aviation Administration

Angela Campbell Federal Aviation Administration

Benjamin Mahaffay Federal Aviation Administration

Chinita RoundtreeColeman Federal Aviation Administration

Chris Bartone Ohio University

Chris Oswald Airports Council International - North America

Chris Seher Applied Research Associates, Inc.

David R. Brill Federal Aviation Administration

Donald Gallagher Federal Aviation Administration

Eric Neiderman Federal Aviation Administration

Eric Plyler CSRA

Erin Debarth CSRA

Evanicio Costa Boeing

Frank Fee Asphalt Institute

Gary L. Mitchell American Concrete Pavement Association

Grant Bishop Moy Bishop & Associates

Holly Cyrus Federal Aviation Administration

Hossein Eghbali Federal Aviation Administration

James Patterson Federal Aviation Administration

Jim White Applied Research Associates, Inc.

John Lapointe Federal Aviation Administration

John R. Dermody Federal Aviation Administration

Jonathan Torres Federal Aviation Administration

Joseph Breen Federal Aviation Administration

Justin Towles American Association of Airport Executives

Keith Bagot Federal Aviation Administration
Name Organization

Mark Crystal Air Line Pilots Association

Matt Griffin Airport Consultants Council

Maureen Molz Federal Aviation Administration

Michael D. Collins CSRA

Michel Hovan Federal Aviation Administration

Mike Dipilato Federal Aviation Administration

Mike Maas Air Line Pilots Association

Mike Talotta Federal Aviation Administration

Murphy Flynn Federal Aviation Administration

Navneet Garg Federal Aviation Administration

Pam Phillips Applied Research Associates, Inc.

Paul Giesman Federal Aviation Administration

Peter Sparacino PLS Consulting

Qingge Jia Federal Aviation Administration

Rich Speir Applied Research Associates, Inc.

Richard Ji Federal Aviation Administration

Richard Mendell Federal Aviation Administration

Ryan King Federal Aviation Administration

Sarah Hubbard Purdue University

Scott Marsh Port Authority of NY & NJ

Shailesh Gongal Massachusetts Port Authority

Somil Shah Federal Aviation Administration
August 16, 2017

Name Organization

Al Larkin Federal Aviation Administration

Al Pollard Maryland Aviation Administration

Benjamin Mahaffay Federal Aviation Administration

CA RoundtreeColeman Federal Aviation Administration

Chris Oswald

Airports Council International - North 

America

David R. Brill Federal Aviation Administration

Erin Debarth CSRA

Evanicio Costa Boeing

Frank Fee Asphalt Institute

Gary L. Mitchell American Concrete Pavement Association

Grant Bishop Moy Bishop & Associates

James Patterson Federal Aviation Administration

Jeff Gagnon Federal Aviation Administration

John R. Dermody Federal Aviation Administration

Mark Crystal Air Line Pilots Association

Matt Griffin Airport Consultants Council

Maureen Molz Federal Aviation Administration

Michael D. Collins CSRA

Michel Hovan Federal Aviation Administration

Mike Maas Air Line Pilots Association

Navneet Garg Federal Aviation Administration

Pam Phillips Applied Research Associates, Inc.

Qingge Jia Federal Aviation Administration

Rich Speir Applied Research Associates, Inc.

Richard Ji Federal Aviation Administration

Ryan King Federal Aviation Administration

Ryan Rutter Federal Aviation Administration

Sarah Hubbard Purdue University

Scott Marsh Port Authority of NY & NJ

Shailesh Gongal Massachusetts Port Authority
Research, Engineering and Development Advisory Committee

PPT Briefing to Sub-committee on Airports: August 15 -16 - 2017

Technical Center Director’s Conference Room

DAY 1 – August 15, 2017

 

9:00 am Christopher Oswald Introduction

ACI-NA, Subcommittee Chairperson 

9:15 am Eric Neiderman Aviation Research Division/Welcome

Manager, Aviation Research Division

9:20 am Michel Hovan ATR Update

Manager, Airports Technology Research Branch

 

9:30 am John Dermody HQ Update

Director

FAA Office of Airports Safety and Standards

9:45 am All CyberSecurity Discussion/Tasking

10:00 am Subcommittee Members and FAA Review of REDAC Recommendations 

10:30 am Jim Patterson Overview of Safety RPA’s Airport Safety R&D Section Manager 

10:45 am Break

11:00 am Lauren Collins RPA S1- Airport Planning and Design

 RPA S2 – Airport Safety Data Mining

 High level overview 10 year planning plan

 (Kent Duffy)

 

11:30 am Keith Bagot RPA S3 - Airport Rescue and Fire Fighting

12:00 am Lunch (Cafeteria)

12:30 pm Michael Talotta RPA S4 - Wildlife Hazard Mitigation

1:00 pm Don Gallagher/Holly Cyrus RPA S5 - Visual Guidance (LED’s, Markings)

 

1:30 pm Paul Giesman Aircraft Braking Friction Working Group (Deep Dive)

2:30 pm Joe Breen Trapezoidal Groove Project Update

2:45 pm Mike Dipilato RPA S9 - Airport Research Taxiway – NVG and LED’s

3:00 pm Break

3:15 pm Lauren Collins RPA N1-5 - Noise Programs

 RPA E1 - Airport Environmental Research

3:45 pm All Visit to ATR’s Test Aircraft, ACY Ramp 

 
4:45 pm All Overall Review – Day 1

5:00 pm Adjourn

 

 

DAY 2 –August 16, 2017 

9:00 am Jeffrey Gagnon Overview of Pavement RPA’s 

 Pavement Research – Future needs and Direction

 

9:30 am Ryan Rutter RPA P1 - NAPTF

9:45 am Navneet Garg RPA P2 - NAPMRC

10:15 am Navneet Garg RPA P3 - Field Instrumentation and Testing

10:30 am Break

10:45 am Murphy Flynn RPA P4 - Advanced Materials

 

11:00 am David Brill RPA P5 - Pavement Design and Evaluation 

11:30 am Lunch

1:00 pm Michel/Jeff RPA – FACILITIES 

 Fire Safety Testing Facility

 Pavement Laboratory Addition 

1:30 pm Albert Larkin RPA P6 - NDT Technologies

1:45 pm Qingge Jia RPA P7 - Software Program Development and Support

2:00 pm Dave Brill RPA P8 - Extended Pavement Life

2:30 pm Sub-Committee members REDAC Recommendation(s) 

3:00 pm Adjourn