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### Environmental Protection Agency 1

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### Public Hearing on 6



### Proposed Clean Power Plan for 7


### Existing Power Plants 8

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### 9:00 a.m. to 7:15 p.m. 12



### Tuesday, July 29, 2014 13

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### Room B 16


### Environmental Protection Agency 17



### William Jefferson Clinton East Building 18



### 1201 Constitution Avenue, N.W. 19


### Washington, D.C. 20004 20

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### PAGE 1



### EPA PANEL 1: 10 2



### BETH CRAIG, EPA, Chair 3



### BILL STEVENS, EPA 4



### MISHA ADAMANTIADES, EPA 5

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### EPA PANEL 2: 188 7



### ALEX BARRON, EPA, Chair 8



### ERICH ESCHMANN, EPA 9



### CRHIS SHERRY, EPA 10

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### EPA PANEL 3: 347 12



### STEVE PAGE, EPA, Chair, Director 13


### Office of Air Quality Planning & Standards, 14



### Office of Air & Radiation 15



### ERICH ESCHMANN, EPA 16


### Office of Atmospheric Programs 17


### BARRY ELMAN, EPA, Office of Planning 18

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### Morning Session 10 20



### Afternoon Session 188 21


### Evening Session 347 22

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### I N D E X PAGE 1


### Michael Langford, President of the 2


### Utility Workers Union of America 16 3


### Logan Hollers, Environmental Attorney 23 4


### Steve Cheney, Chief Executive Officer 5



### of the American Securit y Project 30 6



### David Scott, President, Sierra Club's 7



### National Board of Directors 35 8



### Ann Gray Haynes, Health Educator 41 9



### Alexander G. Fassbender, CEO of EcoVia 10


### Corporation 43 11


### Marty Hayden, Vice President of Policy 12


### and Legislation at Ear thjustice 47 13



### Joanna Diamond, Director of Environment 14



### Maryland 52 15



### Cristobal Alex, President of the 16


### Latino Victory Project 57 17


### David Doniger, Director, Climate & Clean 18


### Air Program, Natural Resources Defense 19



### Council. 62 20



### Derek Murrow, Director of Federal 21


### Energy Policy for NRDC 67 22

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Jeffrey Bloczynski, Associate VP, Economic 2


### Analysis, American Coalition for 3


### Clean Coal Electricity 71 4


### Samantha Ahdoot, Practicing Pediatrician 76 5



### R ev. Lennox Yearwood, President, 6


### Hip

- Hop Caucus 80 7


### Mark Magana, President of GreenLatinos 85 8


### Kimberly Glas, Executive Director of the 9



### BlueGreen Alliance 89 10


### Danny Lutz, West Virginia resident 94 11


### John Christensen, West Virginia res ident 100 12



### Dick Wilson, International Brotherhood of 13



### Electrical Workers 107 14


### Regina Hendrix, West Virginia resident 112 15



### David Belote, Retired Air Force Colonel 115 16



### Megan Severson, State Advocate for 17



### Wisconsin Environment 119 18



### Martha Ehlman, Own er, Harper’s Ferry 124 19


### Jonathan Jacoby, Concerned citizen 129 20



### Sasha Tenenbaum, Mom's Clean Air Force 129 21



### Frances Crutchfield, Concerned citizen 135 22

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Richard Kennedy, Economic Analyst, CIA 136 2


### Stan Boyd, Concerned citize n 140 3


### Adam Tiffen, U.S. Army Veteran 144 4


### David Berry, Sustainable Water Resources 5



### Roundtable 150 6


### Ron Edelstein, Director, Regulatory & 7



### Government Relations with the Gas 8


### Technology Institute 156 9



### James Griffin, International Brotherhoo d 10



### of Electrical Workers Local Union 1900 158 11



### Meredyth Gottschall (For Jay Cancellor) 163 12


### Walter Tsou, Philadelphia Physicians 13


### for Social Responsibility 167 14


### Cindy Parker, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg 15



### School of Public Health 170 16


### Victor Goldberg, Con cerned citizen 174 17



### Anna Aurilio, Office for Environment 18



### America 175 19


### Terry Wiliams, Concerned citizen 181 20


### Mya Jefferson, Saul Agricultural School, 21


### Philadelphia 184 22

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Nicola Bastian, West Virginia resident 185 2



### Frank Sturges, (For Robert D. Brown) 194 3


### Ralph Grove, Sierra Club. 200 4


### Michelle Freeman, Pennsylvania resident 203 5


### Larry Roussell, Concerned citizen 208 6



### Dr. Jonathan Arnon, Concerned citizen 209 7


### Joe Cook, Virginia resident 212 8


### Regina Neblo tt, Concerned citizen 217 9



### Ellis W. James, Concerned citizen 220 10


### Marjorie Leach

- Parker, Concerned citizen 223 11



### Thomas Burkett, Concerned citizen 228 12



### Trisha Sheehan, Concerned citizen 235 13


### Susan Bonney, Virginia resident 240 14


### Dr. Bryan Crenshaw, Biome dical Scientist, 15


### Children's Hospital in Philadelphia 244 16



### Zach Drennen, Concerned citizen 246 17


### Ethan Spaner, National Wildlife Federation 253 18



### Sara Chieffo, Concerned citizen 257 19


### Linda Tsang, American Forest & Paper 20



### Association & American Wood Counc il 263 21

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Kendyl Crawford, Concerned citizen 267 2



### David Burns, National Wildlife Federation 270 3


### James Lytle, Concerned citizen 280 4


### Allison Homer, Virginia resident 282 5



### Brent Murcia, Concerned citizen 287 6



### Reed McGinley

- Stempel, Concerned citizen 292 7


### Phoebe Long, Concerned citizen 295 8



### Turner Lott, Concerned citizen 298 9


### Kristina Lynn, Concerned citizen 302 10



### Dr. Janet Miller, Science Teacher 11



### in Delaware 305 12


### Reverend Dr. Jim Ball, Evangelical 13



### Environm ental Network 309 14



### Alfonso Lopez, Member of the 15


### Virginia House of Delegates 314 16



### Eric Klein, Concerned citizen 321 17


### Gerry Fuller, Concerned citizen 322 18



### Jim Schulman, Sierra Waste Committee 325 19


### Claudia Malloy, National Wildlife 20



### Federation 331 21

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Teja Sathi, Thomas Jefferson High School 2


### for Science and Technology 335 3



### Lara Levison, Concerned citizen 338 4



### Mollie Simon, Concerned citizen 344 5


### Charles Rories, Virginia resident 355 6



### Spencer Schecht, Concern ed citizen 360 7


### Samantha Spaccasi, Sophomore at 8


### Oberlin College 365 9



### Kathleen Holbrook McLeod, D.C. chapter 10



### of the Sierra Club 369 11



### Jane Kirchner, Concerned citizen 374 12


### Wendy Fleit, Concerned citizen 379 13


### Steph Davis, Cell Biologist 383 14



### David Smedick, The Sierra Club 387 15


### Ann Darwicki, Registered Nurse 391 16



### Kirk Bowers, Conservation Chair of the 17


### Piedmont Group of the Sierra Club 394 18


### Amery Fischer, Concerned citizen 397 19


### Aaron Phillips, District of Columbia 20



### Resident 400 21

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### I N D E X (Continued) PAGE 1


### Ryan Crowley, Washington, D.C. 2


### Chapter of the Sierra Club 402 3



### Arthur Elkins, Delaware Sierra Club 405 4


### Bradley Green, District of Columbia 5



### Resident 410 6


### Tom Vincent, Clean Energy Association 412 7

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### P R O C E E D I N G S 1



### EPA Panel 1 2


### MS. CRAIG: Good morning. 3


### ATTENDEES: Good morning. 4


### MS. CRAIG: My name is Beth Craig and I'm 5


### one of the Chairs of today's public hearing. 6


### Thank you for coming today. 7


### Joining me on the panel this morning are 8



### Bill Stevens and Misha Adamantiades. 9


### We're here today to listen to your 10



### comments on two proposed rules to reduce carbon 11


### pollution from power plants. EPA announced both 12



### of these proposed rules on June 2nd, 2014. 13



### Power plants are the largest source of 14


### carbon pollution in the U.S. accounting for, 15



### roughly, one

- third of all domestic greenhouse gas 16



### emissions. 17


### The first rule is EPA's proposed Clean 18


### Power Plan for existing power plants. This 19


### proposal consists of two main parts: s tate

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### specific goals to lower carbon pollution from 21


### power plants and guidelines to help states 22

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### develop their plans for meeting the goals. 1


### This proposal gives states flexibility in 2


### determining how to meet their goals. States will 3


### choose what goes into the ir plans that show how 4


### they will achieve the needed reductions and meet 5


### their goals by 2030. 6


### The second rule is EPA's proposed rule to 7



### address carbon dioxide emissions from modified 8


### and reconstructed power plants. This rule would 9



### set emission limits for two groups of power 10


### plants: those that make physical or operational 11


### changes that increase the plant's maximum 12


### achievable hourly rate of emissions and those 13



### that replace components to such an extent that 14



### the new components exceed 50 percent of the 15


### capital cost of an entirely new comparable 16


### facility. 17


### If you'd like more details on either of 18



### these proposed rules, they are fact sheets 19


### available near the registration desk. 20


### Today's hearing is one of four public 21


### hearings across the country this week on the two 22

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### proposed rules. We have had tremendous interest 1


### in each of the hearings, and I'd like to thank 2


### you for taking time out of your day today to join 3



### us and share your comments. 4


### We have a lot of people signed up to 5



### speak and we want to hear from all of them . So 6


### before we get started, I'd like to go through a 7


### few housekeeping items and ground rules that will 8


### help make today's hearing run smoothly. 9


### First, please be sure that you checked in 10


### at the registration desk even if you're not 11


### planning to speak today. And if you signed up to 12


### speak online or by phone, but haven't told us 13



### that you're here, please step out to the 14


### registration desk and let the EPA staff know that 15


### you've arrived. 16


### Second, if you're a speaker, you were 17


### given a room letter when you checked in, Room A 18



### or B, and this is Room B. 19


### So here's how the tiering will work. I 20


### will call speakers up in pairs and when your name 21


### is called, please come to the table at the front 22

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### of the room. 1


### Depending upon how many people have 2


### checked in, I may be able t o tell the second 3


### group of people that they're going to be next in 4


### line, so you can get prepared for that, as well. 5



### And when I call on you to speak, please 6


### state your name and spell it for the court 7


### reporter. Your comments will be transcribed and 8



### includ ed in the record of comments on the 9



### proposed rule. 10


### Each speaker will have five minutes to 11


### give comments. We have a light to help you know 12


### how much time you have left to speak. 13


### When the light turns from green to 14


### yellow, that means you have one minute remaining. 15


### When it turns red, that's a signal to wrap up 16


### your testimony. And then then the light will 17


### flash red and beep is when you have spoken for 18


### five minutes and it's time to stop. 19


### When you are finished speaking, please 20



### remain at the table until t he person next to you 21


### has completed his or her testimony. 22

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### We're here to listen today; however, the 1


### panelists may ask you questions to clarify your 2



### comments. 3



### And then I'll call up

-- as I said 4


### before, I'll call up the next person, and if I 5



### have the na mes, be able to tell who is coming 6



### after that. 7


### If you have brought a written copy of 8


### your testimony, please give it to the staff at 9


### the registration desk before you leave so it can 10



### be included in the docket. 11



### Because of the large number of people who 12



### si gned up to speak today and to be fair to 13


### everyone, we're going to strictly enforce the 14



### five

- minute limit. 15


### And then if you have additional comments 16


### you'd like to make, you can submit them in 17


### writing. There are actually cards out on the 18


### registration desk, as well, as, obviously you can 19



### submit them later for the docket. 20



### And please let me ensure you that EPA 21


### gives as much consideration to comments we 22

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### receive in writing, as we do to comments we 1


### receive at public hearings like this one. So if 2



### you have more that you'd like to say, please 3


### submit it and your comments will be reviewed. 4


### There is still plenty of time to get 5



### written comments in. Comments must be received 6


### by October 16th, 2014, and we'll put any written 7


### comments submitted today in the official do cket. 8


### We're scheduled to go until 8:00 p.m. 9


### tonight, and we'll take a lunch and dinner break 10


### so everyone can get something to eat. Right now, 11



### the lunch break is scheduled for noon and the 12



### dinner break is scheduled for 5:00. 13


### In addition, we may take oc casional short 14



### breaks throughout the day, as needed, and we'll 15


### let you know when we're going to be taking a 16



### break. 17


### If you have any questions during the day, 18


### please see the staff at the registration desk and 19


### someone will try to help you. 20


### And, finally, I 'm sure I don't need to 21


### say this, but I want to ask each of you to be 22

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### respectful of everyone who speaks today. We will 1


### have people with a wide variety of views in the 2


### audience, and we want to hear from everyone. 3


### So we ask that everyone listen quietly, 4



### and even applause can slow folks down. So we 5


### want to hear from everyone who is signed up 6



### today. 7


### So thank you, again, for taking time out 8


### to join us today. 9


### And we're going to get started, and the 10


### first two speakers are D. Michael Langford and 11



### Logan L. Hollers. 12



### And then

-- do I have the right room? No 13



### one has moved

-- yes, okay. That's good, because 14


### I was afraid since I could have been given the 15



### wrong names or the wrong room. 16



### And then the next team will be

-- the 17


### next pair will be David Scott and General Chang. 18



### So, Mr. Langford, would you please go 19



### first? 20


### MR. LANGFORD: Okay. My name is David 21


### Michael Langford, L

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### of the Utility Workers Union of America. 1


### I wish to thank EPA for this opportunity 2


### to provide our views on the Proposed Clean Power 3


### Plan, and its likely impacts on utility workers, 4


### especially for the thousands of UWUA members 5


### employed in the electric power generating 6



### facilities. 7


### The UWUA represents 50,000 employees in 8


### the electric generation, distri bution and other 9


### utility industries. 10


### The future of our members employed in 11



### power

- generating facilities including the welfare 12



### of their families and their communities will be 13


### vitally impacted by the final rule adopted by EPA 14



### in this matter. 15



### UWUA members will also be directly 16


### affected by the State Implementation Plans the 17


### states will ultimately adopt in order to comply 18


### with EPA proposed rule. 19



### Given the enormous stake our members have 20



### in these decisions, we would like to offer our 21



### recommendations for how our nation can 22

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### substantially reduce carbon emissions while also 1


### protecting existing jobs in utilities and related 2



### industries. 3


### First, we urge the final rule should 4


### encourage the states to embrace in their State 5


### Implementation Plans, concrete support for n ew 6


### technologies that will protect existing jobs 7


### while reducing emissions. 8


### We strongly support the flexibility given 9


### to the states in the proposed rule to determine 10



### how best to reduce carbon emissions. 11



### In addition, however, we believe that the 12



### rule shou ld specifically encourage the states to 13


### embrace policies that will support the 14


### modernization of existing power generation 15


### infrastructure so critical to many of our states' 16



### economies. 17


### This should include a recognition that 18


### coal will continue to play an im portant role in 19


### meeting our essential power needs. In our view, 20



### technology such as carbon capture and 21


### sequestration are essential not only to protect 22

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### the thousands of family

- supporting jobs 1



### associated with coal

- fired generation, but also 2



### as an essential c omponent of any workable plan to 3


### address climate change. 4


### With power demand surging around the 5


### globe and with countries such as China and India 6


### expected to continue to build new coal

- fired 7


### plants to power their growing economies, 8


### effective carbon capture and sequestration will 9


### be essential if we have any chance of reducing 10


### carbon emissions on a global level. 11


### And just as we believe the U.S. should 12


### play a leading role in developing and exporting 13


### renewable energy technologies such as wind and 14



### solar, the U. S. should also take the lead in 15


### developing carbon capture and sequestration, as 16


### well as other technologies, to significantly 17



### reduce emissions from coal

- fired power plants. 18


### With federal support, NRG Energy 19


### recently began construction of a 1 billion carb on 20


### capture project designed to remove 1.6 million 21


### tons of carbon dioxide a year from emissions from 22

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### a power plant near Houston, Texas. This will be 1


### one of the largest carbon capture projects 2


### operating at a commercial scale and is an 3


### important first step, but much more needs to be 4



### done. 5


### Other technologies are also available to 6


### increase the efficiency of coal

- fired plants so 7



### that the total carbon emissions are reduced. 8


### Similarly, our nation's electric power 9


### grid desperately needs modernization. One 10


### impo rtant benefit of grid modernization is that 11


### transmission over the grid will become more 12



### efficient, which, in turn, will reduce overall 13


### emissions from power generation. 14


### In short, we urge that the final Clean 15


### Power Plan should encourage the states to inclu de 16


### concrete support for technologies designed to 17


### modernize and sustain existing generation 18


### facilities as part of the overall plans to reduce 19


### carbon emissions while also protecting jobs. 20


### Second, we urge that the final rule should 21



### encourage the states to c onduct state

- specific 22

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### job impact assessments in their State 1


### Implementation Plans and to provide detailed 2


### plans for mitigating any expected adverse impacts 3


### stemming from implementation of the rule on 4



### dislocated workers and their communities. 5



### In our view, federal and state regulators 6


### must plan in advance for the economic 7


### dislocations that will inadvertently occur 8


### whenever new regulatory policies are introduced. 9


### This includes the need to identify adequate 10


### funding sources for programs to assist workers 11



### and c ommunities that may find themselves the 12



### innocent victims of the shift toward low

- carbon 13



### energy. 14


### In the proposed rule itself, EPA 15


### estimates that up to 50 gigawatts of coal

- fired 16


### generation could be taken offline by 2030 as a 17


### result of implementation. T he proposed rule also 18


### implicitly recognizes that, while this historic 19


### shift in national energy policy will create new 20


### jobs in new industries, there's no guarantee that 21


### workers who may lose their existing jobs in coal

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### related industries will be the benefici aries of 1


### these new jobs. 2


### We believe that any regulatory policy 3


### that transfers the full cost of compliance onto 4


### standard workers and communities is bad policy. 5



### We, therefore, recommend that the final 6


### rule should urge the states to include in their 7



### State Implementation Plans state

- specific job 8


### impact assessments coupled with specific plans to 9


### mitigate any adverse job impacts. These should 10


### include transitional programs and designated 11


### sources of funding to support

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### MS. CRAIG: Mr. Langford, can you wra p 13



### up, please. 14



### MR. LANGFORD:

-- oh, I'm sorry. I 15


### wasn't looking at your light there. I just have 16


### a few more points

-- wage benefits, and 17


### retraining for utility workers, mine workers and 18


### others who may become displaced as a result of 19



### the shift toward lo wer

- carbon energy; expansion 20


### of existing economic development programs that 21


### enable communities to respond to power plant 22

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### closures or downsizing; and, support for the 1


### development of new energy projects and 2


### technologies in communities most impacted by this 3



### s hift in national policy, and guarantees. 4


### In summary, we don't want this to become 5



### a Rust Belt issue. We would like to work with 6


### EPA to encourage the new technologies and to be 7



### able to work on stranded workers and communities. 8


### Again, thank you. 9



### MS. C RAIG: Thank you very much, Mr. 10



### Langford. Mr. Hollers. 11


### MR. HOLLERS: Good morning. First of 12


### all, I'd like to start by thanking the EPA and 13



### today's panel for

-- 14



### MS. CRAIG: Would you please spell your 15



### name for the court reporter. 16



### MR. HOLLERS: Oh, I apologize. Logan 17



### Hollers, L

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- N, H

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- S. Thank you. 18


### I'm an environmental attorney that lives 19


### here in beautiful D.C. and I'm here today on 20


### behalf of the D.C. Chapter of the Sierra Club 21


### testifying in support of the proposed Clean Power 22

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### Plan. I also want to thank the panel and the EPA 1


### for allowing the public to comment on such a 2


### vitally important issue. 3


### As I'm sure the panel is aware, the U.S. 4


### is rapidly running out of time to address climate 5


### change and, more specifically, to address the 6



### pro blem of greenhouse gas emissions from existing 7



### coal

- fired power plants. 8


### We need a solution that ensures the power 9


### generation our country needs and also purges us 10


### of the unnecessary pollution and toxins our 11


### country must get rid of. The EPA's proposed 12



### Cle an Power Plan is about achieving precisely 13



### that balance. 14


### I want to take just a brief moment to 15


### address a few kind of introductory points. 16


### Regardless of what some on Capitol Hill would 17


### have us believe, there's no longer a debate over 18



### the role of carbon emissions and climate change. 19


### It's now a near universally

- accepted scientific 20



### fact that in the words of NASA, "Increased 21


### atmospheric CO2 concentration is the most 22

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### important long

- lived 'forcing' of climate change. 1


### In its recently released Fourth 2



### Assessm ent Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on 3


### Climate Change, which is a group of over a 4


### thousand independent scientific experts from 5



### countries across the world, concluded there's a 6



### more than 90

- percent probability that fuel

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### produced greenhouse gases, the pri ncipal of which 8


### is carbon dioxide, are responsible for much of 9


### the observed increase in the planet's temperature 10



### over the past 50 years. 11


### Now, this carbon pollution has a 12



### multitude of effects. It exacerbates climate 13


### disruption and contributes to more fre quent and 14



### more violent weather occurrences that cost local 15


### communities, the federal government and our 16


### economy billions of dollars per year. 17


### And carbon pollution is also a 18


### significant threat to public health. According 19


### to the American Lung Association, nearly half of 20



### all Americans now live in areas where the air is 21



### unsafe to breathe. 22

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### In light of all of this information about 1


### the negative externalities and destructive power 2


### of carbon emissions pollution from coal

- fired 3


### power plants, the single most impo rtant fact 4


### remains that these power plants account for 5


### nearly 40 percent of all carbon pollution in the 6



### United States. 7


### Clearly, the nation is in desperate need 8


### of a common sense, environmentally sound 9


### solution. And that's exactly what the EPA's 10



### proposed Clean Power Plan offers. 11


### The best thing in the Sierra Club's 12


### perspective about the Clean Power Plan is that it 13


### achieves multiple goals from a holistic 14


### perspective. 15


### First and foremost, the plan will 16


### drastically reduce one of the most pressing 17



### threats to humanity today, carbon pollution from 18


### power plants fueling climate change; second, the 19


### plan will have far

- reaching and concrete impacts 20


### on public health by preventing up to 150,000 21



### asthma attacks and over 6,000 premature deaths 22

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### annually by 2030 and by combating and reducing 1


### nearly 12,000 visits to the emergency room and 2


### more than $100 billion in health costs per year 3


### resulting from coal pollution. 4


### Clearly, the plan will drive innovation 5


### in developing and building clean energy sources 6


### that will power t he 21st century growing both the 7


### nation's economy and creating jobs, two goals 8


### that transcend sides of any political act. 9


### Finally, the plan will lead to public 10


### benefits in terms of healthy climate estimated at 11


### over $60 billion per year in 2030, far 12



### outwe ighing the costs of implementing the plan. 13



### Now, these costs associated with 14


### implementing the Clean Power Plan are likely to 15


### provoke some heated discussion both at these 16


### discussions and in the coming months. However, 17


### numerous independent studies have rea ched the 18


### conclusion that impacts on electricity rates will 19


### be modest and can be accompanied by long

- term 20



### benefits. 21


### The Clean Power Plan recognizes that 22

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### every state is different. While naturally 1


### requiring significant reductions in CO2 2



### emissions, the Cl ean Power Plan is unique in 3


### allowing each state the flexibility to determine 4


### its preferred method of complying with these new 5


### requirements, and that flexibility is key. 6



### It ensures that states will be able to 7


### prepare and implement their state plans that fit 8


### their own circumstances minimizing the state cost 9


### of compliance. And in the end, the states remain 10



### in control. 11



### Thankfully, states have a long and 12


### demonstrated track record of using various 13



### regulatory tools, whether those are tax, 14


### reliability, lab or or environmental in nature, to 15


### encourage utilities in investments that minimize 16



### the cost of electric service. 17



### Members of the panel, the Clean Power 18


### Plan is long overdue and vitally important and 19


### must be implemented nationwide without further 20



### delay. T his Administration, with its promises of 21


### "strong action" on climate change, has a moral 22

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### obligation to address this issue. 1


### This agency with its stated mission to 2


### "protect human health in the environment" has a 3


### moral obligation to address this issue. 4



### T he Clean Power Plan both will allow 5


### states the flexibility they need to develop 6


### customizable plans to reduce carbon emissions, 7


### keep American energy affordable, reliable and 8


### sustainable and ensure that every person has 9



### clean air to breathe. 10



### I, on behalf o f the Sierra Club, applaud 11


### and support the EPA's efforts and intent to 12


### establish strong national limits on carbon 13


### pollution from existing coal

- fired power plants, 14


### and I thank you for your leadership and action on 15


### this important issue. 16



### MS. CRAIG: Thank y ou very much. 17


### Our next panel is David Scott and General 18


### Cheney. And after that, it's Ann Haynes and 19



### Alexander G. Fassbender. 20


### MR. CHENEY: I might be alone. I'm 21



### Cheney. 22

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### MS. CRAIG: Okay. And would you please 1



### spell your name. 2



### MR. CHENEY: I will. I'm Steve Cheney, 3



### C

- H

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### the American Security Project. 5


### Thank you for the opportunity to comment 6


### on the Environmental Protection Agency's Clean 7



### Power Plan and proposed rule. 8



### I'm here today to commend the EPA f or its 9


### effort to address climate change. I am not a 10


### regulatory expert, so I will not comment on the 11


### specifics of the rule, but I do support the EPA 12


### for its ambition and goals. 13


### My three decades of service in the 14


### Marines taught me that we cannot wait to a ddress 15


### the looming threats. For too long, America's 16


### leaders and congress have failed to address the 17


### challenge of climate change. This failure of 18


### leadership means that we are behind in addressing 19


### this specific challenge. 20



### Our armed forces are already act ing to 21


### address the very real threats imposed by climate 22

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### change. The military understands the true nature 1


### of this threat. This is not because the military 2


### has suddenly determined that it wants to save the 3


### environment. It is because they see that climate 4


### change presents a clear danger to our national 5


### security. 6


### So the military is faced with three 7


### distinct challenges. First, climate change is a 8


### global threat multiplier. That means it will 9


### make already existing threats like political 10


### instability, ethnic t ensions, food and security 11



### and poverty worse and more dangerous. 12


### Specific threats to security vary around 13


### the world depending on both the climate and on 14


### the society. For example, in places like South 15


### Asia, sea level rise, diminishing fresh water 16



### resou rces and increasingly dangerous storms are 17


### combining with ethnic, religious and economic 18


### stresses in a region of the world with highly 19


### militarized borders and too many nuclear weapons. 20


### There will be massive migration of people 21


### in this region if climate c hange continues 22

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### leading people to move into areas where they 1


### could come into conflict with people already 2


### living there. 3


### The effects of climate change around the 4



### world will cause resources like food, water and 5



### energy to become more scarce. As the effects of 6


### climate change worsen, states will seek to secure 7


### resources for their own populations at the 8


### expense of their neighbors. 9



### While conflict is not inevitable, it is 10


### certainly possible. This is not just the future 11


### we are talking about. Extreme weather e vents are 12


### already demanding a military response. Typhoon 13


### Haiyan, which made landfall in the Philippines 14



### with maximum

- sustained winds estimated at 195 15


### miles an hour, the highest in recorded history, 16



### over 13,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines 17



### from th e USS George Washington battle group 18


### responded and they saved lives. 19


### Second, climate change will affect 20


### homeland security and that is a growing military 21


### mission. In 2012, active duty and National Guard 22

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### troops responded to New York and New Jersey after 1



### S andy. 2


### Defense support to civil authority is a 3


### growing mission for our military where our 4



### active

- duty troops provide logistical aid, 5


### humanitarian relief and law enforcement support 6


### to civilian authorities. These types of 7


### operations are growing as extre me weather grows 8



### across the country. 9


### And third, climate change is a threat to 10


### our military bases at home and around the world. 11


### The United States military manages property in 12



### all 50 states and in seven U.S. Territories and 13


### 40 foreign countries. 14


### Rising sea levels already are causing 15


### millions of dollars of damage to the Navy's 16


### coastal installations, but they're not alone. 17


### Wildfires have caused evacuations this year at 18


### the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton, while the 19


### Army has seen extreme rain events wash ou t areas 20


### of the National Training Center at Fort Irwin. 21


### The military is adapting to these changes, but at 22

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### a cost to taxpayers. 1


### For those who question the science, I 2


### would say that reducing greenhouse gases while 3


### implementing measures to adapt to the effe cts of 4


### climate change is just basic risk management. 5


### Military planners routinely operate under 6


### uncertainty and make decisions based on 7


### incomplete information. 8


### In 2001, Dick Cheney said if there is 9



### only a one

- percent chance of a terrorist 10


### acquiring a weapon of mass destruction, we have 11



### to act. 12



### Well, today, we have over 99 percent of 13


### scientific papers telling us that human emissions 14


### are causing climate change. Why is it that we 15



### dismiss them? 16


### The EPA's proposed rule is an important 17


### step forward in addressing the challenges of 18


### climate change, and I commend them for their 19



### efforts. 20


### If we fail in addressing climate change, 21


### we know that our military will have to respond to 22

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### more disasters, terrorists will have more 1



### recruits to draw from, and the worl d will see 2


### more conflicts over increasingly scarce resources 3


### and ordinary Americans will pay the price. 4


### I thank you very much for listening. 5



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 6



### Did David Scott come

-- yes. You were 7


### supposed to be part of this panel. 8


### Could you join the General and do your 9


### five minutes, please? If you could, spell your 10



### name for the court reporter, please. 11


### MR. SCOTT: Yes. My name is David Scott, 12



### D

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- T. I'm the President of 13



### the Sierra Club's National Board of Dire ctors. I 14


### appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today 15


### about why the Sierra Club supports the EPA's 16



### proposed Clean Power Plan. 17


### The Clean Power Plan's carbon pollution 18


### standards for existing power plants are an 19


### important and historic step toward addre ssing one 20


### of the most daunting challenges of our time, 21


### climate disruption. 22

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### As superstorm Sandy and other extreme 1



### events have shown the costs of climate inaction 2


### are already too high. We face risks that no 3


### responsible officials would ignore, and we have 4



### no time to lose. 5



### If we are to stem the climate crisis and 6


### protect our children's future, we must move 7


### quickly to climate solutions such as wind and 8


### solar power and energy efficiency. 9


### Power Plants are responsible for 40 10


### percent of the carbon pollution in the U.S. By 11


### cleaning up and modernizing power plants, we will 12


### begin to clean up our air, reduce pollution

13


### related illnesses and curb climate disruption. 14


### Reducing carbon pollution from power 15


### plants will not only save billions of dollars 16



### each year, it will save lives. In fact, for 17


### every dollar of investment under the Plan, we'll 18


### see, roughly, seven dollars in health benefits. 19


### The Clean Power Plan will spur 20


### innovation, accelerate the clean energy economy 21


### and create good American jobs because it all ows 22

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### states the flexibility to achieve their targets 1


### by increasing renewable energy sources and energy 2


### efficiency. This means more jobs in 3


### manufacturing and installing solar panels, 4


### erecting wind turbines, upgrading the grid and 5


### making homes and businesses more energy

6



### efficient. 7


### And clean energy jobs tend to be good 8


### jobs. They pay much more than median wage levels 9



### across the economy, and nearly half of them 10



### employ workers who have less than a four

- year 11



### college degree. 12


### By taking this step to cut carbo n 13


### pollution, the Administration is setting the 14


### stage for a shift in how we power our society. 15


### If we are to grow our economy and shift to a 21st 16


### century renewable model for energy production, we 17


### must modernize our infrastructure and diversify 18



### our sources. 19


### Many states are already leading the 20


### change to transition to clean energy. For 21


### example, according to the American Wind Energy 22

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### Association, Iowa and North Dakota now receive 1


### 20 percent of their energy from wind power, and 2


### 38 states have utility

- scale w ind installations. 3



### The Clean Power Plan creates a strong 4



### framework that will enable states to move towards 5


### clean energy, a framework that puts states in the 6


### driver's seat to create plans to limit carbon 7


### pollution. The carbon pollution standards 8



### present a huge opportunity to improve our 9


### environment, public health and the economy. 10


### The U.S. is well on its way to meeting and 11


### exceeding the EPA

- proposed goal, and the states 12


### can be leaders in making the transition to a 13



### clean energy future. 14



### The Sierra Club will be working with 15


### allies to strengthen the EPA's carbon standards 16


### for existing power plants. With improvements 17



### that Sierra Club recommends, the Clean Power Plan 18


### could achieve two important ends: reduce power 19


### plant emissions by 35 to 40 percent from 200 5 20


### levels by 2020. This is necessary to meet the 21


### president's goal of a 17

- percent reduction in 22

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### U.S. carbon emissions from 2005 levels by 2020. 1


### Second, promote energy efficiency and renewable 2


### energy without incentivizing nuclear energy, 3



### natural gas and othe r dangerous and climate

4


### disrupting energy sources. 5


### In 2012, wind energy and solar 6


### photovoltaics were two of the fastest growing 7


### electric generation technologies in the United 8


### States. Cumulative installed wind energy 9


### capacity increased by nearly 28 perce nt and 10


### cumulative installed solar photovoltaic capacity 11


### grew more than 83 percent from the previous year. 12


### EPA rightly includes these resources in 13


### setting the state targets, but the availability 14


### and quantity of available opportunities assumed 15



### is too low . With the current account of 16


### retirements of dirty power plants and a more 17


### accurate estimate of growth in the renewable 18


### energy and energy efficiency sectors, the Clean 19


### Power Plan could produce deeper reductions in 20



### carbon emissions. 21



### The Sierra Club is de termined that the 22

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### Clean Power Plan will result in state carbon 1


### pollution standards that are not only strong, but 2


### just. 3


### This means we will also be working with 4



### our partners to ensure that the most vulnerable 5


### communities are protected by the standards, t hat 6



### they are consulted throughout the standard

7


### setting and state plan development process, and 8


### that sufficient public and private resources are 9


### made available to help workers and affected 10



### communities make the transition to the clean 11



### energy economy. 12



### MR. C RAIG: Mr. Scott, if you could wrap 13



### up, please. 14



### MR. SCOTT: Yes. Poll after poll 15


### demonstrates that the public supports 16


### implementation of the Clean Air Act. We strongly 17



### support EPA’s efforts to clean up dangerous 18


### carbon pollution and we strongly support this 19



### rule. Thank you. 20



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much, panel. 21


### So our next panel is Ann Haynes and 22

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### Alexander G. Fassbender. And the panel after 1


### that is Marty Hayden and Joanna Diamond. 2


### And just a reminder, if you want to leave 3


### your notes with th e registration desk, they will 4



### be included in

-- from this hearing. 5



### Ann Haynes. 6


### MS. HAYNES: Yes. My name is Ann Gray 7


### Haynes. My last name is spelled H

- A

- Y

- N

- E

- S. 8



### I'm a health educator

– a retired health 9



### educator, but I want to speak about the heal th 10



### issues. 11



### MS. CRAIG: And you may need to speak up 12



### a little. 13


### MS. HAYNES: I'm sorry. I have a little 14



### bit of a cold, so

-- 15



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 16


### MS. HAYNES: Climate change and rising 17


### temperatures expose more Americans to conditions 18



### that result i n illness and death due to 19


### respiratory illnesses, heat

- related stress and 20



### insect

- borne diseases. 21


### Climate change raises the temperature and 22

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### makes smog pollution worse, triggering asthma 1


### attacks and permanently damaging and reducing 2


### lung function. 3



### These negative health effects fall most 4


### heavily on our most vulnerable communities, 5


### including children, older adults, and those with 6


### serious health conditions and the poor. 7


### By cleaning up carbon pollution and other 8


### harmful pollutants, including ozone and 9


### parti culate matter, will also be reduced. 10


### Eliminating these additional pollutants 11


### will prevent up to 150,000 asthma attacks, 6,600 12



### premature deaths and 3,300 heart attacks annually 13


### and will save us up to $93 billion in public 14



### health and climate benefits. 15



### Yo u know, I've been struck by people 16


### making the argument about the economy versus the 17


### environment. And I don't know if you saw an 18


### article, an editorial by Robert Rubin in the 19


### Sunday Washington Post. I'd like to read the 20


### last paragraph of his statement: "We do not face 21


### a choice between protecting our environment or 22

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### protecting our economy. We face a choice between 1


### protecting our economy by protecting our 2


### environment or allowing environmental havoc to 3



### create economic havoc." 4


### And a major step towards chang ing the 5


### debate is to change the way we measure the health 6


### of our economy, our fiscal conditions and the 7


### health of individual companies and businesses to 8



### better reflect the world as it will be. 9


### Unfortunately, people are looking at 10


### current economic impacts without thinking about 11


### the larger costs that we're going to have when 12


### climate change really affects us. 13



### Thank you. 14



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 15


### MR. FASSBENDER: My name is Alexander G. 16



### Fassbender. That's F

- A

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- S

- B

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### I am the CEO of E coVia Corporation, a 18


### registered chemical engineer, and have 19



### affiliations with the EuroCounsel Alliance and 20


### the World Alliance to Produce Centralized Energy. 21



### Secretaries

-- Energy Secretaries Bodman, 22

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### Chu and Moniz have appointed me to the National 1



### Hope Co uncil since 2007. 2


### I make the point that my comments are my 3


### own and not the position of any of the previously 4


### mentioned organizations. 5


### I'm here in support of the EPA 6


### regulations and also President Obama's all of the 7



### above strategy. 8


### Coal is a maj or source of electricity, 9


### not only in the United States, but around the 10


### world. And all we really need is a conversion 11


### device to create electricity and to deal with the 12



### emissions that come out of it. 13


### My background is I worked at the Pacific 14



### Northwest Nat ional Laboratory for many decades, 15



### and I was the CTO of a technology and development 16


### company. I’m very familiar with technology 17



### development. 18


### And I look at it as basically the 19


### technology is out there. We can do this. If you 20



### look at patents number 619 6000 and 6918253, they 21


### describe a pressurized oxy

- fuel technology, which 22

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### is now the study in Canada and China, Italy and 1



### the UK. I know that because I invented it. 2



### And I also received two

- and

- a

- half 3



### million dollars

- worth of support from the U.S. 4



### EPA and from the Department of Energy and led 5


### studies that involved international major 6



### institutions

-- research institutions where we 7



### did

– - worked hard with material science work, 8


### carbon dioxide, argon, liquid and vapor 9


### equilibrium studies, heat transfer that s upport a 10



### complete Aspen model of the technology. 11


### The technology is out there. All of the 12


### components are already made and we just need to 13


### put them together and go do it. 14


### So why has this not happened over the 15



### last decade? And I wanted to speak to tha t a 16



### little bit because I've been an observer of this. 17



### You have many capable teams out there. 18


### And while I have come up with one technology, 19


### there are many others that are in the running to 20


### do this and they haven't yet emerged. 21


### And I think part of that i s that there 22

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### are folks that don't want this to happen because 1


### if you come up with a technology, they feel like 2


### we're compelled to use it and that upsets their 3



### apple cart. 4


### So the delay and avoidance is not only 5


### something that you'll find coming from the 6



### u tility industry. It's something that's also 7


### somewhat pervasive in some of the research 8


### institutions because if they actually solve this 9


### problem, then they have to find a new mission. 10


### And right now, they have a big mission to do, so 11


### it helps them justify a lot of funding. And 12


### sometimes the preservation of that funding may be 13


### more important than the mission itself. So I 14


### just want to point that out. 15


### So I think that the clarity of the 16


### regulations and the flexibility of the 17


### regulations that you've put forw ard is 18


### extraordinary. It's brilliant and I think it's 19


### workable, and I think that, you know, we just 20


### need to get on with it because this is not 21


### something that requires new science. 22

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### This is just something that requires us 1


### to get on with the task of gett ing it done 2


### because when these regulations are in place, they 3


### will create a new paradigm, a new profit motive. 4


### And that new profit motive will drive the 5


### implementation of these technologies, and they 6


### will happen much quicker than anyone anticipates 7


### jus t like catalytic converters and solenoid 8



### starters did. 9



### Thank you very much. 10



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 11


### The next panel is Marty Hayden and Joanna 12


### Diamond. And the panel after this will be 13



### Cristobal Alex and Derek Murrow. 14



### So, Marty Hayden, you can s tart by giving 15



### us your name. 16


### MR. HAYDEN: My name is Marty Hayden. 17



### It's M

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### I'm the Vice President of Policy and 19


### Legislation at Earthjustice. And on behalf of 20


### Earthjustice, I want to thank EPA for moving 21



### forward with the Clean P ower Plan. 22

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### As we learn more each day about the 1


### threat and pace of climate change, the need for 2


### rapid and significant reductions in U.S. carbon 3


### pollution becomes more imperative. 4


### The buzz targets of this rule can and 5



### must be strengthened. The goal to o btain power 6


### plants should be to at least reduce emissions 35 7



### to 40 percent below 2005 levels by 2020, and, 8


### obviously, far more beyond the proposed 30 9



### percent by 2030. 10


### Doing less in the power sector frankly is 11


### calling into question the ability of the 12



### Pres ident to meet his overall pledge to reduce 13


### U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent by 14



### 2020. 15



### The ten

- year schedule for compliance is 16


### far too long. It needs to be broken down into 17


### more than one compliance schedule so short

- term 18


### gains can be realized a nd the program stays on 19


### track to meet its goal. 20


### It's also important that the standard be 21


### reviewed at least every eight years similar to 22

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### the performance standard for new sources, 1


### including coal plants, so that the reduction 2


### goals keep pace with the climat e science, 3


### technological advancements and actual emission 4



### reductions. 5


### Earthjustice will submit written comments 6


### on a number of issues, but today I'm going to 7


### focus on a few key areas that will be critical 8


### for delivering on any reduction targets and their 9


### final role, specifically enforcement, monitoring 10


### and verification and reporting. 11



### In the final rule, the EPA must make it 12


### clear who ultimately has the responsibility for 13


### meeting the targets, taking the actions required 14



### by state plans to meet those, fro m getting the 15


### targets and taking the actions required by state 16



### plans to meet the goals of those plans. 17


### Ambiguous responsibility will lead to emission 18


### reduction goals not being met. 19


### Progress reducing pollution and the Clean 20


### Air Act has not only been the result of 21


### independent actions by EPA states, but also the 22

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### citizens holding responsible the parties 1


### accountable to Section 304 of the act. Together 2



### we need to be able to hold accountable power from 3


### these states and third parties for making the 4



### target plans work. 5


### Here the programs intended to achieve 6


### state targets must be directly enforceable by 7


### citizens against sources and other parties 8


### responsible for achieving reductions under the 9


### provisions of the state or federal implementation 10



### plans. 11



### States must also be required to show that 12


### they have adequate resources and authority to 13


### implement and verify actual reductions and 14


### enforce their plans. 15



### To aid states and to ease future 16


### implementation, EPA should establish model 17


### federal plans that are published and confirmed in 18


### the final rule. States that propose 19


### implementation plans that are generally 20


### consistent with the model of federal plans should 21


### have a fair level of confidence that their plans 22

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### would be approved. 1


### EPA must also provide explicit 2


### requirements i n the final rule to assess 3


### quarterly agencies that are promoting obligation 4


### and timing for establishing a plan for states 5


### that have inadequate plans or that fail to submit 6



### any plan. 7



### EPA also needs to create a consistent 8


### accounting framework that applies to each state 9


### for making projections and monitoring progress 10


### toward meeting production targets. Simply put, a 11


### ton of carbon emissions reduced or reported in 12


### one state must be the same as in any other state. 13


### EPA is proposing that it let states figure out 14


### how they want to do it within their monitoring 15


### and verification and to put out monitoring and 16


### guidance on this crucially relevant plan. We 17


### need a uniform, reliable methodology for doing 18


### tracking and confirming emission reductions to 19



### ensure this rule deli vers the meaningful 20



### reductions intended. 21



### EPA assumes in each state’s role it will 22

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### engage in interstate trading under the Clean 1


### Power Act. The agency needs to establish its 2


### own tracking system for independent trades and 3



### credits and should have (inaudib le) program. 4



### If states have a good track record of 5


### administering trade programs, for example the 6


### RGGI states, it may be appropriate for the EPA to 7


### delegate its authority provided that there are 8


### thorough requirements of tracking and reporting 9



### emission red uctions. 10


### Robust requirement for monitoring for 11


### reporting verification and enforcement are 12


### essential for realizing the success for the 13


### elements that are seeing the Clean Power Plan 14



### achieved. 15


### Thank you for the opportunity to share 16


### our views today. 17



### MS . CRAIG: Thank you very much. Joanna. 18


### MS. DIAMOND: Good morning. My name is 19



### Joanna Diamond, J

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### I am the Director of Environment Maryland. 21


### Here in Maryland global warming is not 22

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### some distant threat. It's here right no w. 1


### Already sea level rise is threatening the 2



### wetlands and marshes that help make the 3


### Chesapeake Bay one of the most diverse and 4


### productive ecosystems on earth. 5


### And an increasing number of extreme 6


### weather events, especially flooding, has taken a 7



### toll in taxing on our already strained roads and 8


### bridges and, of course, extreme heat or extreme 9


### cold have also taken a toll on our utility bills. 10


### And that's why Environment Maryland, on 11


### behalf of its 15,000 supporters and members, are 12


### in strong support of the C lean Health Plan as a 13


### vital step and supports the finalization of this 14


### strongest possible plan to cut carbon pollution. 15


### Power plants are the single largest U.S. 16


### carbon pollution source. There was a report that 17


### found that 50 dirtiest power plants emit mo re 18


### carbon each year than all but six countries. 19


### Unfortunately, we're not starting from 20


### scratch. The Clean Power Plan builds on nearly a 21


### decade of investment in clean energy. In 22

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### Maryland, we know we can produce more energy 1


### without any impact to our he alth. 2



### For years, Maryland has been part of the 3


### Regional Greenhouse Gas Corp., the nation's first 4


### cap on global warming and pollution. And in the 5


### last five years since RGGI went into effect, 6


### power plant emissions from global warming have 7



### fallen more th an 30 percent and at the same time 8


### RGGI has helped invest $277 million in Maryland's 9


### energy efficiency programs. 10



### And last summer, Governor Mark O'Malley 11


### released Maryland's Greenhouse Gas Reduction Plan 12



### which will result in a 55 million metric ton 13



### reduct ion of greenhouse gas emissions and $1.6 14


### billion in economic benefits. And this plan 15


### includes many key programs including 16


### strengthening Maryland's Renewable Portfolio 17



### Standard, continued existence in RGGI and 18


### building on the work from EmPOWER. 19



### And Env ironment Maryland applauds the EPA 20


### for responding to the urgent need, and the huge 21



### scope of the problem means that we actually 22

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### should be doing more. 1


### And according to a recent analysis, the 2



### Clean Power Plan does fall far shy of the 3



### emissions reductions already set by Maryland that 4


### it will achieve through the Greenhouse Gas 5



### Reduction Plan. 6



### So at a minimum, we do ask that 7



### Maryland's Clean Power Plan target shouldn't be 8


### weaker than the targets that Maryland is already 9



### set to achieve. 10



### And we know that clean energy works to 11


### cut pollution. Solar energy is thriving in 12


### Maryland. It is twelfth in the nation for solar 13



### energy. 14



### And next month, the Bureau of Ocean 15


### Energy Management will release a wind energy 16


### aerial large enough for 800 to 1,200 megawatts o f 17


### offshore wind power. That's about two mid

- size 18



### coal plants. 19


### And more clean energy will help reduce 20


### health impacts that are caused by burning dirty 21


### energy for electricity that cost the average 22

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### American household about $73 a month. 1



### And we can buil d on a future for 2


### generations that is harnessing electricity from 3



### clean sources like solar and wind, and we know 4


### that it can be good for our health, our economy 5



### and our environment. 6


### Thanks so much for your time. 7



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 8



### Our next panel is Cristobal Alex and 9



### Derek Murrow. And the panel after that, Jeff 10


### Bloczynski and David Doniger. 11


### MS. CRAIG: I'm sorry, David. I can't 12



### hear you. 13



### MR. DONIGER: I think the list was for 14


### David Doniger to go before me just in terms of 15



### -- do you mi nd if we just swap? 16



### MS. CRAIG: You are Derek? 17



### MR. MURROW: Yeah. 18



### MS. CRAIG: Oh, of course. That would be 19



### fine. 20


### So, Cristobal, did you want to go first? 21



### MR. ALEX: Yes. 22

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### MS. CRAIG: And, if you would, spell your 1



### name for the court reporter, and then Minister 2


### Doniger. 3


### MR. ALEX: Thank you. Good morning. My 4



### name is Cristobal Alex, C

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### last name is A

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### Latino Victory Project. Thank you so much for 7


### the opportunity to testify today. 8



### The Lat ino Victory Project supports the 9


### EPA's rule on carbon emissions for existing power 10


### plants. We believe it is an important step 11


### towards protecting our environment and mitigating 12


### the negative effects that pollution has on the 13


### Latino community. 14



### The Latino V ictory Project is an 15



### ambitious, non

- partisan effort to build power in 16


### the Latino community to ensure that our voices 17


### are reflected at every level of government and in 18


### the policies that drive our country forward. It 19


### was founded by Eva Longoria and Henry Mu noz to 20



### fill a void. 21


### We are 17 percent of the U.S. population, 22

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### the nation's largest minority group, and among 1


### the fastest growing, but we do not yet have a 2


### voice commensurate with our shared population. 3



### There are more than 53 million Latinos in 4



### the U. S., but we have only eight Latinos elected 5


### to statewide office and only 28 Latinos in the 6


### House of Representatives when it should be more 7



### than twice that. We have never had a Latino 8



### elected to the U.S. Senate. 9



### And what this means is that our voice, 10



### ou r vote has not been fully heard when it comes 11


### to important policy debates that matter so much 12


### to our community. This is especially true when 13



### it comes to the environment. 14


### For us, this rule isn't political. It's 15


### a public health issue and it's an economic issue. 16



### It means that our families are safer and 17


### healthier, that we have an environment, a planet 18


### that we can leave to future generations. 19


### And the rule can make a positive 20


### difference in whether or not we have a job. My 21


### parents came to the United States in search of 22

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### the American dream. Like so many others, they 1



### worked hard for their children to have the 2


### opportunity, the chance that they didn't have. 3



### My mom, Consuelo, was the eldest of ten 4


### children and worked with her family in the fields 5


### picking cotto n from Bakersfield to the panhandle 6



### of Texas. The work was extremely dangerous and 7


### it still is. As each harvesting season becomes 8


### hotter and the temperatures soar, workers in the 9



### fields and in other industries suffer the 10


### consequences. This rule will mak e our working 11



### conditions safer. 12


### My mom ended up settling her family in El 13


### Paso, Texas. By the time when my brother, 14


### Richie, and I came along, she wasn't working in 15


### the fields, but she was working three jobs so 16



### that we'd have the chance that she didn't have. 17


### She is what Eva Longoria calls the "CEO of the 18


### family." 19


### And growing up in El Paso, you noticed a 20


### few things: the beautiful dessert, the Franklin 21


### Mountains and, unfortunately, a great deal of 22

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### smog and pollution. Some days you can't even see 1



### the mountains and it's getting worse. 2


### The skyline is dominated by smoke stacks. 3


### It's a poor community and we suffer greatly from 4


### the effects of dirty air. This rule would make 5


### our air cleaner and improve the health of our 6


### community. 7



### No other group score s as high as Latinos 8


### when it comes to the environment, especially in 9


### unclean air and water. Nationally, nine in ten 10


### Latinos want the government to take action 11


### against the dangers of global warming and climate 12



### change. 13


### Eight in ten Latinos want the Pres ident 14


### to curb the pollution that causes climate change, 15


### and this is because we are uniquely impacted by 16


### carbon pollution and climate change. It is both 17


### a public health issue and an economic one. 18


### Nearly half of all Latinos live in areas 19


### with unhealthy ai r. Climate change further 20


### exacerbates this unhealthy air quality with an 21


### extreme rise in heat days. The impacts include 22

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### asthma attacks from which Hispanics are three 1


### times more likely than whites to end up in a 2


### hospital. 3


### Shockingly, Hispanic children a re 40 4


### percent more likely to die from asthma as 5



### compared to non

- Hispanic whites. 6


### Moreover, Latinos play a large role in 7


### the clean energy economy, and adding more clean 8


### energy jobs will greatly impact and benefit our 9


### community which has a disproportionate ly higher 10



### unemployment rate. 11


### Latinos see and feel the impact of 12


### climate change in the most fundamental areas of 13



### their lives, their health and their economic 14



### well

- being. 15


### In 2012, we saw the power of the Latino 16


### vote and what happens when nearly 12 millio n 17


### Latinos' voices are heard. We have a ways to go, 18



### but we know Latinos continue to exercise that 19


### power to ensure that Latino voices are heard. 20


### And an overwhelming number of Latinos 21


### support the Administration's efforts to limit 22

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### carbon pollution from powe r plants. 1


### The Latino Victory Project will continue 2


### to engage Latino voters and leaders to elevate 3


### and advance values that are important to the 4


### Latino community and to all Americans, including 5


### a healthy and sustainable environment that we can 6



### leave to f uture generations. 7



### Thank you. 8



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 9


### Mr. Doniger. 10



### MR. DONIGER: Thanks very much. 11


### I'm David Doniger, D

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### E

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### Air Program of the Natural Resources Defense 14



### C ouncil. 15


### Thanks for the opportunity to speak today 16



### on behalf of our 1.4 million members and 17


### activists in support of the Clean Power Plan. 18


### Several of our colleagues will be 19


### testifying over the course of the hearings here 20



### and in other locations on diffe rent aspects of 21



### the proposal. 22

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### The EPA's proposal is a giant leap 1


### forward in implementing President Obama's Climate 2



### Action Plan announced in June 2013. 3


### The question the President said then is 4



### "whether we'll have the courage to act before 5



### it's too late a nd how we answer will have a 6


### profound impact on the world we leave behind not 7


### just to you, but to the children and 8


### grandchildren. As the President, as a father, as 9


### an American, I'm here to say we need to act." 10


### The President has set out a specific 11



### timeta ble for proposing and promulgating these 12



### standards for the nation's more than 1,500 13


### existing power plants. 14


### Power plants are the most important place 15



### to act because they account for nearly 40 percent 16


### of the nation's carbon pollution, more than two 17



### billi on tons of carbon dioxide each year. 18


### We limit all the other air pollutants 19



### that come from power plants, the sulphur, the 20


### nitrogen compounds that form dangerous soot and 21



### smog, as well as mercury and dozens of other 22

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### hazardous air pollutants, but there are no 1


### federal limits on the carbon pollution that 2


### drives dangerous climate change threatening our 3



### health and well

- being and that of our children 4


### and grandchildren and our future generations. 5


### So NRDC applauds the EPA for proposing 6



### these standards. With hu ndreds of thousands of 7


### others, our members are raising their voices in 8


### strong support of what you're doing. 9


### And we're all going to be working with 10


### state and local officials, power companies and 11


### other stakeholders across the country to begin 12


### developing sm art and flexible state plans that 13


### advance energy efficiency including energy 14


### sources to protect our health in the future while 15


### creating jobs and reducing electrical bills. 16



### The carbon reductions that these 17


### standards will achieve, 26 percent below 2005 18



### lev els by 2020, and 30 percent by 2030, are 19



### substantial. 20


### In our view, even the larger reductions, 21



### 30 to 35 percent below 2005 by 2020 are 22

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### achievable and cost

- effective in these time 1


### periods. 2


### We'll have more to say later in these 3


### hearings and detailed comm ents on that 4


### opportunity. 5


### EPA's legal authority and responsibility 6


### to curb carbon pollution under the Clean Air Act 7


### is rock solid. The Supreme Court has upheld 8


### EPA's authority three times: in 2007, in 2011 9


### and, again, last month. 10



### Under Section 111(d), EPA is on solid 11


### ground in proposing state

- specific targets that 12


### recognize differences in how power is generated 13



### across the country. 14


### EPA is on solid ground setting targets 15


### based on reductions achievable using the range of 16



### methods available across the e lectric system to 17


### reduce power plant carbon emissions including 18


### cleaning up existing plants, using clean air 19


### resources more intensively, expanding zero

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### emitting generation and reducing energy waste. 21


### Each of the four building blocks effectively 22

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### reduces the emissions of the affected facilities. 1


### And EPA is also on solid ground giving 2



### states and affected facilities substantial 3


### flexibility to achieve the performance target 4


### through different combinations and measures than 5



### those EPA used to set the target. 6



### Con trary to some, there is nothing in the 7


### statutory language that limits EPA to consider 8


### only measures implemented at each affected source 9


### itself when setting the level of the emission 10


### reductions required by the documents. 11



### To the contrary, the term "best system of 12



### emission reduction" and other features of the 13


### statutory language indicate EPA's discretion to 14


### set targets based on the reductions achievable 15


### using the full range of measures available across 16


### our electricity system. 17


### So, in sum, we strongly sup port the steps 18


### EPA is taking under the Climate Action Plan and 19


### the Clean Air Act to place meaningful first

- ever 20


### limits on the carbon pollution in the existing 21



### power plants. 22

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### And we look forward to continuing 1


### collaboration of states, industry and other k ey 2


### stakeholders to craft and implement strong 3


### effective carbon pollution standards to protect 4



### our children's health in the future. 5



### Thanks. 6



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 7


### The next panel is Derek Murrow and Jeff 8


### Bloczynski. 9


### And if you could start by spelling your 10



### name for the court reporter, please. 11


### MR. MURROW: Thank you. My name is Derek 12



### Murrow, D

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### I'm the Director of Federal Energy Policy 14


### for NRDC. And building on my colleague, David's, 15



### comments, I am here also to supp ort EPA in their 16


### proposal to make the case or even make it 17


### stronger to ensure we limit pollution and protect 18


### future generations of Americans from the impacts 19


### of climate change. 20


### I'm going to discuss really briefly our 21



### response to your proposal on the esta blishment of 22

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### the best system of emissions reduction and the 1


### building blocks of EPA to set the state emissions 2



### goal. 3


### I'm going to focus on building blocks one 4


### and two, and my colleague is testifying tomorrow 5



### and will talk about blocks three and four. 6



### EP A's proposed targets can and should be 7


### strengthened. The pollution reductions could be 8


### greater at a reasonable cost in both the near 9



### term and the long term. 10


### It's important to note, though, that the 11



### amount of reductions identified as feasible for 12



### each block does not indicate the amount that 13



### block should or will be relied on for a state, 14


### meaning for a state to meet its target. 15


### Each block is simply an inventory of the 16


### available tools to cut power sector carbon 17


### pollution. And when EPA admits or undere stimates 18


### the potential contribution of a block, it's 19


### underestimating the amount of pollution cleanup 20



### that's feasible in a state when a state has 21


### significant flexibility in terms of the tools it 22

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### uses to achieve the standard. 1



### So in terms of block one, coal plant 2


### efficiency, this block is currently limited to 3


### coal plant efficiency improvements of 6 percent, 4


### but it ignores capital projects such as turbine 5


### wind replacements or coal

- firing of other fuels. 6


### We're in the process of reviewing your 7


### analysis to det ermine whether higher levels of 8


### efficiency and other operational changes at power 9


### plants should have been included. 10



### In terms of natural gas and coal 11


### dispatch, block two, this block has a significant 12


### impact on the relative stringency of each state's 13



### targe t and the block produces coal generation 14


### based on the amount of underutilized natural gas 15


### and combined capacity in the state. 16


### In assessing the emissions reduction, 17



### this block can achieve state

- by

- state, the 18


### proposal fails to account for the existing tren d 19


### of the retiring role of the high

- emissions 20



### fossil

- fired plants, primarily coal, in favor of 21



### new lower zero

- emission resources. 22

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### This means that EPA has set 2030 as a 1


### goal that some states can easily achieve, 2


### particularly states that are coal

- dominated a nd 3



### coal

- intensive. 4


### To ensure that this block in the proposal 5



### has achieved additive reductions in carbon 6


### pollution, it should be adjusted to account for 7


### the planned and anticipated coal and other fossil 8


### plant retirements and general rates of generation 9



### ch ange from coal to lower

- emitting resources. 10



### In other words, EPA should ensure that 11



### block two will drive additional emissions 12


### reductions. And all states should be expected to 13


### transition from hot coal, high

- emitting coal and 14



### gas plants to cleaner resour ces over time. 15


### EPA has specifically asked for comment on 16



### whether states can use the new natural gas plants 17


### to comply with emission targets, but you haven't 18


### factored these plans into the establishment of 19


### new targets. We believe there must be symmetry 20



### bet ween the resources considered in setting the 21



### target or the standard and the resources allowed 22

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### for compliance. 1



### Just to repeat that, there needs to be 2


### symmetry between the resources considered in 3


### setting the target and the resources allowed for 4


### complianc e. 5


### If not, some states with modest targets 6


### will achieve their goals simply as a result of 7


### implementing their existing plans to close old 8


### coal plants and replace them with new natural gas 9


### plants. I think it's essential that this 10


### symmetry be fixed. 11



### Fi nally, I want to thank you for all of 12


### your hard work in developing the proposal and the 13


### leadership of this coal environment issue. 14



### Thanks. 15



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 16


### MR. BLOCZYNSKI: Jeffrey Bloczynski, J

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### E

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### Good mor ning. I'm Jeff Bloczynski. I am 19



### the Associate Vice

- President of Economic Analysis 20



### at the American Coalition for Clean Coal 21


### Electricity. 22

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### Our members include investor

- owned 1


### utilities, rural electric cooperatives, coal 2


### producers, railroads and manufacture rs that are 3


### involved in providing affordable and reliability 4


### electricity from coal. 5


### Thanks for the opportunity to speak today 6



### about EPA's proposal. 7


### Because of the many serious flaws we see, 8


### ACCCE urges EPA to withdraw the proposal. I'll 9


### highlight a few of these flaws briefly in the 10



### short time I have. 11



### First, the Clean Air Act does not allow 12


### the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from 13


### existing coal

- fired power plants under Section 14



### 111(d) because coal

- fired power plants are 15



### already regulated b y the EPA under Section 112 of 16



### the Clean Air Act. 17


### Recently, attorneys general from nine 18


### states filed an amicus brief to stop EPA's 19


### proposal for this very reason, saying that the 20


### proposal violates the literal terms of the Clean 21



### Air Act. 22

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### Even if the EP A believes it has the basic 1


### authority to regulate, Section 111(d) allows EPA 2


### to set emission standards based solely on 3



### emission reductions that can be achieved inside 4


### the fence; however, this proposal requires 5



### substantial reductions outside the fence. 6



### La st year, before the proposal was 7


### issued, attorneys general from 17 states warned 8


### EPA that the agency does not have authority to 9


### require emission reductions outside the fence. 10


### Second, the EPA's proposal will cause 11


### unacceptable economic impacts including h igher 12


### energy prices. ACCCE sponsored extensive 13


### analysis of an NRDC proposal which served as a 14


### blueprint for EPA's proposal. 15


### Our analysis projected, among other 16


### impacts, double

- digit electricity price increases 17



### in most states and substantial increases in 18


### natural gas prices nationwide. 19


### Higher energy prices have a 20


### disproportionately greater impact on lower

- income 21



### and middle

- income families. Lower

- income 22

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### families are especially vulnerable to higher 1



### energy costs because energy represents a larger 2


### portion o f their budgets and reduces the amount 3


### of income they can spend on food, housing, 4



### healthcare and other necessities. 5


### It is also worth noting that states with 6


### carbon constraints are already experiencing 7


### significantly higher electricity prices. Three 8



### month s ago, electricity prices in California were 9


### 17 percent higher than the national average. 10



### The New England states, part of the 11


### Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, had 52 12


### percent higher electricity prices than the 13


### national average. 14


### Third, EPA has propo sed to substitute its 15


### judgment for that of public utility commissions, 16


### utility companies, grid operators and consumers 17


### across the nation by presuming the appropriate 18


### amounts of electricity from coal, natural gas, 19


### nuclear, renewables, as well as presuming h ow 20


### much electricity consumers should use in each 21



### state. 22

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### In fact, Administrator McCarthy testified 1



### recently that EPA wants consumers to use less 2



### energy. 3


### Although EPA claims states have 4


### flexibility to determine how to meet their goals, 5



### the method used for emission reductions leaves 6



### most states little alternative but to follow 7



### EPA's mandates. 8


### Fourth, EPA bases its proposal on flawed 9


### information and assumptions for its four building 10



### blocks that are the basis for each state's 11



### target. 12


### Finally, despite e normous economic 13


### impacts, the proposal will have no meaningful 14


### effect on global climate change because the 15


### proposal will reduce global greenhouse gas 16


### emissions by less than one percent. 17



### If EPA's own scientific assessments are 18



### correct, the emission reduct ions from this 19


### proposal will result in a meaningless one percent 20


### reduction in atmospheric CO2 concentrations, an 21


### insignificant reduction in global average 22

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### temperature of two one

- hundredths of a degree and 1



### a trivial reduction in sea level rise of one one

2



### hu ndredth of an inch, the thickness of three 3



### sheets of paper. 4


### In conclusion, EPA's proposal has 5


### fundamental flaws that cannot be fixed by simply 6


### making changes to it. Instead, we urge EPA to 7


### withdraw the proposal. 8


### Thank you, again, for the opportunity t o 9



### speak. 10



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 11



### So the next two panels are Reverend 12



### Lennox Yearwood and Samantha Ahdoot, and then the 13



### panel after that

-- thank you

-- is Kim Glass and 14



### Mark

-- 15



### MR. MAGANA: Magana. 16



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 17


### So if you c ould spell your name for the 18



### court reporter. 19


### MS. AHDOOT. Thank you. My name is 20



### Samantha Ahdoot. That's A

- h

- d

- o

- o

- t. And I'm a 21


### practicing pediatrician in Alexandria, Virginia, 22

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### a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics or 1



### AAP, and a member of the AAP's Council on 2



### Environmental Health. 3


### I am speaking here today on behalf of the 4



### AAP, a non

- profit professional organization of 5


### 62,000 primary care pediatricians, pediatric 6



### medical sub

- specialists and pediatric surgical 7


### specialists dedicated to the healt h, safety, and 8



### well

- being of infants, children, adolescents, and 9



### young adults. 10



### I am here to express AAP's strong support 11


### of the EPA's effort to reduce carbon pollution 12


### from existing power plants and to urge the EPA to 13


### enact the strongest possible stand ards to protect 14


### the health and development of children. 15


### Children are not little adults. They 16


### have unique physiologic, behavioral and 17


### developmental differences that amplify their 18


### exposure to environmental contaminants. Children 19



### breathe at a faster rate than adults, spend more 20


### time outside, and have proportionately greater 21


### skin surface area exposed to the environment. 22

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### All of this contributes to children's 1


### disproportionate exposure to environmental 2



### contaminants. 3


### Children of all ages spend more time on 4


### the floor or ground than do adults and come into 5



### more contact with contaminants on these surfaces. 6


### Additionally, as children grow and 7


### mature, their bodies can be particularly 8


### vulnerable to environmental exposures during 9


### specific developmental windows. 10


### Children disproportionately bear the 11


### burden of negative health effects of climate 12


### change. According to the World Health 13


### Organization, over 80 percent of the current 14


### health burden from the changing climate appears 15


### in children less than five years old. 16


### Climate change has broad

- reaching health 17


### impacts that are especially detrimental to 18


### vulnerable populations including children. They 19


### include weather disasters, increases and poleward 20


### migration of climate

- sensitive infections, 21


### increases in allergic and ast hmatic diseases, 22

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### food and water insecurity and increased heat

1



### related deaths. 2


### Power plants contribute approximately 3



### one

- third of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions 4


### serving as a leading contributor to climate 5


### change. Reducing the carbon emissions of 6



### exi sting fossil fuel

- fired power plants 7


### represents a major step forward towards 8


### addressing a key component of climate change in 9


### the U.S. and stemming the tide of climate change 10


### and the myriad attendant negative health impacts. 11



### In the near term, there are al so 12


### extremely positive co

- benefits to reducing carbon 13


### pollution that have an immediate impact on child 14


### health, such as reducing emission of other 15


### pollutants and the resulting creation of harmful 16



### ozone. 17


### When fully implemented by 2030, EPA's 18


### proposal will result in 6,600 fewer premature 19



### deaths, 150,000 fewer child asthma attacks, 20


### 180,000 fewer missed school days and 3,700 fewer 21



### cases of child bronchitis. 22

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### The AAP applauds the EPA for considering 1


### the unique vulnerabilities of children in its 2



### development of this proposed rule. 3



### The AAP urges the EPA to adopt the 4


### strongest possible carbon pollution standards for 5


### existing power plants to ensure the rule provides 6


### the optimal possible child health benefit. 7


### Thank you for your time and for allowing 8



### the AAP to provide comments on this critically 9


### important rule. 10



### Thank you. 11



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 12


### REVEREND YEARWOOD: Good morning. My 13



### name is Reverend Lennox Yearwood. That's R

- E

- V. 14



### L

- E

- N

- N

- O

- X, Y

- E

- A

- R

- W

- O

- O

- D. I am the President 15


### of the Hip

- Hop Caucus. I'm from the great State 16



### of Louisiana and a former U.S. Air Force Officer. 17


### This past spring, the Hip

- Hop Caucus 18


### organized the Act on Climate Campus tour that 19


### visited historically black colleges and 20



### universities and African

- American neighborhoods 21



### around t he country. 22

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### Armed with the knowledge of the 1


### disproportionate life

- threatening impacts of 2


### carbon pollution on our communities, African

3


### American communities have joined the call for 4



### climate action. 5


### That is why young people of color in 6



### urban communities a re leading and acting to curb 7


### the impacts of climate change that our 8


### communities are suffering from now. 9


### From people, particularly poor African

10


### Americans drowning in the aftermath of Hurricane 11


### Katrina to our elderly passing away in the 12



### extreme heatwave in Chicago over the recent 13


### summers to the homes and small business destroyed 14


### in our communities in the wake of Superstorm 15


### Sandy, the devastation and destruction of 16


### increasingly extreme weather caused by global 17


### warming is getting worse and more dangerous 18



### b efore our eyes. 19


### Currently, the biggest source of carbon 20


### pollution in the U.S. are power plants. They do 21


### not have any limits on the amount of carbon 22

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### pollution they generate. These unregulated power 1


### plants directly affect the health of African

2



### Americans. 3



### The African

- American community suffers 4


### disproportionately from higher rates of asthma 5


### and other respiratory and heart

- related diseases, 6



### as well as cancer. 7



### We live closer to sources of carbon 8


### pollution like power plants, which is a major 9



### contributor to our higher rates of lung and heart 10


### disease and cancer, which is why we support the 11



### proposed standards from EPA, because the proposed 12


### standards from EPA would decrease pollution that 13


### is causing illness and death in our 14


### neighborhoods. 15



### There is no doubt th at the cost of life, 16



### the cost of health, and the economic cost of 17


### natural disasters and increasingly expensive 18


### energy and food, all of which disproportionately 19


### impact communities of color, is making it 20


### imperative for us to act on climate, short

- term 21



### and lo ng

- term. 22

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### These carbon pollution standards are good 1



### for African

- American communities and it's good 2


### for America. They will create jobs, save money 3


### and protect public health. 4


### The tales of energy rate increases by 5



### those who oppose these standards are widely 6


### speculative. More importantly, they only tell 7



### one part of the story because they do not account 8



### for the cost to communities of color of not 9


### implementing these standards. 10


### There is great economic cost of inaction. 11


### We are already paying more for air conditioning 12


### in a warming world; we are already paying more 13


### for water and food produced in times of drought; 14


### and we are paying more for the cost of rebuilding 15


### after increasingly violent natural disasters. 16


### Curbing climate change through these power pla nt 17



### standards will also curb these cost

- of

- living 18


### increases that our communities are ultimately 19


### experiencing. 20


### Further, the pain that our communities 21


### will suffer, job losses if the proposed standards 22

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### are approved do not account for the economic 1



### benefit f rom the resultant job creation and green 2



### innovation. 3


### Every dollar put into clean energy 4


### creates three times as many jobs as putting that 5



### same dollar into fossil fuels. 6


### This is a moment for great leadership. 7


### This is a moment for our country to stan d up. 8


### This is our moment. This is our clean energy 9



### moment for our country. 10


### I know that our community will lead the 11


### fight and use our voices and talents in our great 12


### continuous struggle in this country for freedom, 13


### for civil rights and for actions for e conomic 14


### opportunity and livable communities. 15



### I conclude with this: In the 20th 16


### century, many of those who fought for equality. 17


### But in the 21st century, we are now fighting for 18


### existence. Let us not miss this moment to fight 19


### for future generations. 20



### Thank you. 21



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 22

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### And a reminder, if you

- all want to leave 1


### your prepared statements with the registration 2


### desk, we would appreciate that. 3


### Okay, so I think our next panel was Kim 4



### Glas and Mark

-- 5



### MR. MAGANA: Magana. 6



### MS. CRAIG :

-- Magana, okay. I just 7



### needed

– - there’s no... 8



### MR. MAGANA: No tilden on it? 9



### MS. CRAIG: No, there's not. That's why 10



### I was so confused. 11


### Thank you both. And if you could start 12


### by spelling your name for the court reporter. 13



### MR. MAGANA: I'm Mar k Magana, M

- A

- R

- K, 14



### M

- A

- G

- A

- N

- A. 15


### Good morning. My name is Mark Magana and 16



### I'm the President of GreenLatinos, a national 17



### non

- profit organization that convenes a coalition 18



### of Latino environmental and conservation leaders 19



### from across the country. 20



### I'm a lso a board member of the League of 21



### Conservation Voters and of Children's 22

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### Environmental Health Network. 1


### As a member of the Latino community, I 2


### know that setting carbon limits is not just for 3


### the sake of future generations, but will help 4


### protect Latinos a nd other vulnerable groups 5



### today. 6


### EPA's Clean Power Plan will protect our 7


### public health immediately and in the future. The 8


### proposed carbon pollution limits for existing 9



### power plants are long overdue. 10


### There are standards for arsenic, mercury 11



### and lead, along with smog

- and soot

- forming 12


### emissions from power plants, and there should be 13


### standards for carbon pollution, as well. 14


### Regrettably, Latino communities are 15


### shouldering an unequal share of poverty, asthma 16


### and other dangers. For example, dirty power 17



### p lants are increasingly likely to be located near 18


### Latino neighborhoods filling the air and water 19


### with high levels of mercury and other 20



### intoxicants. 21



### In fact, the Centers for Disease Control 22

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### found that nearly half of Latinos live in 1



### counties that are in f requent violation of 2



### ground

- level ozone standards. 3


### The EPA must protect these communities 4


### from carbon pollution. Scientists warned that 5


### the buildup of carbon pollution will create 6


### warmer temperatures which will increase the risk 7



### of an unhealthy ozone le vel. 8


### An increase in the ozone pollution, a 9



### well

- known trigger asthma attacks, will lead to 10


### deadly results for Latinos. Asthma rates in 11


### America have doubled in the past 30 years, and 12


### Latinos are 30 percent more likely to visit the 13


### hospitals for asthma and 40 percent more likely 14


### to die from asthma, as compared to non

- Latino 15



### whites. 16



### The health benefits of the Clean Power 17


### Plan are significant. By 2030, the standard will 18


### save up to 6,600 lives and prevent 150,000 asthma 19


### attacks each year because cleaning up carbon 20


### pollution will reduce other pollutants from power 21



### plants. These pollutants cause asthma attacks, 22

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### heart attacks, lung cancer, developmental harm 1



### and premature death. 2


### Polling we conducted for the League of 3


### Conservation Voters following release of the 4


### Clean Power Plan found that the public supports 5


### the plan by a margin of 65 to 28. In fact, 6


### support has seen 60 percent in every region of 7


### the country and by voters in all age and income 8


### brackets with younger voters and middle

- and 9



### lower

- income hous eholds especially support it. 10



### And the recent National Climate 11


### Assessment highlights other critical health 12


### impacts from carbon pollution and climate change 13


### that are already being felt today across the 14


### nation and are likely to pose even greater 15



### threats in the future, including heatwaves, 16


### wildfires, extreme changes in weather, such as 17


### drought and excessive precipitation, flooding, 18


### dust storms and the spread of infectious 19



### diseases. 20


### All of these events have very serious 21


### public health consequences for thousa nds of 22

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### Americans including people with lung disease, 1


### such as asthma, chronic arthritis, emphysema and 2


### children whose airways are still developing. 3


### People who are exercising outdoors, seniors and 4



### low

- income communities and all Latino communities 5



### are threate ned by this. 6


### Thank you for your time. 7



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 8


### MS. GLAS: Good morning. My name is 9


### Kimberly Glas, G

- L

- A

- S. 10



### I am the Executive Director of the 11


### BlueGreen Alliance, and I thank you for the 12


### opportunity to testify about the EPA's propos ed 13


### rule to limit carbon pollution from existing 14



### power plants. 15


### Just to give you some background, the 16


### BlueGreen Alliance is a national partnership of 17


### both our largest labor unions, as well as our 18


### most influential environmental organizations. 19



### We represent 1 6 million members and supporters 20


### working to turn today's environmental challenges 21


### into job

- creating and economic opportunities. 22

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### The BlueGreen Alliance was founded in 1


### 2006 with the recognition that it can no longer 2


### be forced to choose between good jobs an d a clean 3



### environment and that, now, we can and must have 4



### both. 5


### It is our responsibility to ensure that 6


### these policies create the conditions for a 7


### sustainable economy and environment in order to 8



### enrich the lives of individuals, families and 9



### communities. 10


### We support EPA's authority to limit 11


### carbon pollution from power plants. We are 12


### pleased that this proposed rule permits each 13


### state to craft a compliance plan that is tailored 14


### to the specifics of its local and regional 15


### economy that will protect existing j obs while 16


### reducing emissions and that can create 17


### opportunities to grow new jobs, encourage 18


### investment and jumpstart new technologies. 19


### This proposal can be a significant step 20


### forward if we all engage in developing and 21


### implementing it. There are three poi nts I'd like 22

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### to emphasize: first, the proposed rule sets 1


### reasonable targets for reducing carbon pollution 2



### that the final rule should retain; second, the 3


### proposal's flexible compliance approach is 4



### essential to its success; and third

-- very 5


### important

-- com munity and workforce stability 6


### and development should be integral elements of 7


### any carbon reduction strategy. 8


### I will just say a few words on each 9


### point. The reduction targets are reasonable. 10


### Not only were these targets individually designed 11



### for each sta te, but the EPA provided a common 12



### sense, measured timetable for their achievement. 13


### Each state has ten years to see if its plan in 14


### action and make any needed adjustments before 15


### it's is responsible for meeting its final 16


### reduction goal. 17



### Second, the proposal offers maximum 18


### flexibility for compliance. Each state can 19



### determine for itself which carbon reduction 20



### mechanisms make the most sense for its citizens, 21


### its workers and its economy. 22

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### For example, a state with multiple coal 1


### plants can encourage improveme nts in both supply 2


### and demand. Technological changes can increase 3



### the supply of power produced by each ton of coal. 4


### According to the American Council for Energy 5


### Efficient Economy, industrial end

- use energy 6


### efficiency investments could create 611,000 full

7


### time jobs and increase USGDP by $17.2 billion by 8


### 2030. A state whose power comes principally from 9


### gas plants may institute diversification 10



### incentives. In addition, a state can authorize 11


### carbon capture and storage mechanisms to reduce 12



### emissions from exis ting coal plants. 13


### The Department of Energy is helping to 14


### fund construction of the largest carbon capture 15


### project in the world, the Petra Nova Project in 16


### Texas, which is projected to capture 90 percent 17



### of the carbon dioxide emissions from one of the 18



### pla nt's generators. 19


### The BlueGreen Alliance urges the EPA to 20


### include in its final rule language encouraging 21


### states to use carbon capture mechanisms as a 22

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### compliance tool. 1


### Finally, I'd like to address community 2


### and economic stability and development. 3



### Rega rdless of any action to address climate 4


### change, the U.S. is in the midst of an energy 5


### transition that, in some cases, can lead to job 6



### loss. While we believe that states can craft 7


### comprehensive implementation plans that result in 8


### net job creation across th e country, we must be 9


### prepared to provide direct support to workers and 10


### communities, extending to ancillary and support 11


### sectors, as well as to the utility sector, if and 12



### when a power plant shuts down. 13


### A proper transition means direct support 14



### for worker s by providing wages, benefits, 15


### training, education and recognition of our basic 16


### workers' rights. It also means providing a 17


### community with resources to redevelop its 18



### economy. 19



### We believe that if well

- crafted, the 20


### Clean Power Plan has the potential to cre ate and 21


### sustain quality, family

- sustaining jobs across 22

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### this country. This potential can be realized by 1


### engagement with stakeholders to develop a plan 2


### that adequately addresses funding programs to 3



### meet the needs of workers and their industries. 4



### We at Blu eGreen Alliance applaud the EPA 5


### for moving forward and addressing the threat of 6


### climate change. 7


### Thank you for this opportunity. 8



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 9


### So our next panel is Danny Lutz and John 10



### Christensen. 11



### MR. LUTZ: I'm Danny Lutz and I'm from 12


### Charles Town, West Virginia. 13


### MS. CRAIG: And you're going to spell 14



### your name for the court reporter, please. 15


### MR. LUTZ: I'll spell it phonetically, 16


### lima, uniform, tango, zulu. 17



### MS. CRAIG: Perfect. Thank you. 18



### MR. LUTZ: And I'm from Charles Town, 19


### West Virginia and the commercial is that I am a 20


### candidate for the House of Delegates of West 21


### Virginia. And I'm running on the Mountain Party, 22

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### affiliated with the U.S. Green Party ticket. And 1


### I'm the first of our party to receive the 2



### endorsement of the Un ited Mine Workers even 3


### though I oppose mountaintop removal. 4


### And, parenthetically, yesterday I asked 5


### our attorney general in a public conference if he 6


### would, and I quote, "work with us to implement 7


### these carbon regulations that we might have a 8



### win

- win sit uation for West Virginia and create 9


### jobs." Mr. Morrisey refused. 10


### So with those parenthetical remarks, I 11


### thank the agency for this opportunity to speak, 12


### and I wish to seek the leave of the panel to 13


### extend my remarks which are considerable. 14



### My commen ts will be directed along these 15



### lines

-- 16


### MS. CRAIG: Sir, we're going to keep each 17


### speaker to five minutes, and you can submit your 18



### comments afterwards. 19


### MR. LUTZ: And that's why I said leave to 20


### extend our remarks. Believe it not, just a page 21



### and a ha lf. 22

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### MS. CRAIG: Perfect. Thank you. 1



### MR. LUTZ: The thrust of my remarks are 2


### how West Virginia can lead the nation to a 3


### smaller carbon footprint while benefitting from 4


### such practices. 5


### I speak about coal, very important in our 6


### state, addressing coal e xtraction, the uses of 7


### its byproducts and funding the compliance with 8


### the carbon regulations. 9


### Coal must be directed to its highest, 10


### best and most efficient uses. Burning it can 11


### generate steam and heat, do not fit these three 12



### criteria. 13



### We must eliminat e surface extraction of 14


### coal called "mountain top removal." And we must 15


### employ subsurface extraction of coal while 16


### safeguarding the well

- being of the miners and 17


### containing the pollutants that inevitably result 18


### from such mining activities. 19



### We must prepar e the coal at extraction 20


### sites to be usable by its ultimate end users and 21


### then ship directly there and all of this work can 22

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### already be done by members of the United Mine 1



### Workers International. 2



### Coal presents challenges. Of that, there 3



### is no doubt. Its b yproducts include carbon 4


### dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen and sulphur 5



### compounds and heavy metals and salts, among 6



### others. 7



### All of these are valuable commodities 8


### that have fantastic industrial applications if 9


### captured and directed. These products should be 10


### oriented to their highest and best uses, also. 11


### In studies that I'm going to append to 12


### these remarks and confirmed by the Pennsylvania 13


### State University Department of Soil Sciences, an 14



### of acre of farmland sequesters about 120,000 15


### pounds. That is 60 to ns of carbon per acre. 16


### There are, approximately, three billion 17



### acres of farmland under cultivation in America, 18


### so the simple arithmetic shows that annually the 19


### potential is to sequester 180 billion tons of 20



### carbon in farmland alone. 21



### And then if we wer e to employ interstate 22

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### highway medians and other such lands, we could 1


### sequester even more and make a huge dent in our 2


### carbon footprint. 3


### Carbon in crops harvested does not enter 4


### the atmosphere. Converting carbon byproducts to 5


### agricultural uses has its mu ltiple benefits, and 6


### sequestration is the first one; the second is 7


### from cropping; the third is jobs from creating 8


### converting carbon to agricultural uses; the 9


### fourth, creating from carbon dioxide and sodium 10



### bicarbonate and calcium carbonate, otherwise 11



### known as lime, to buffer streams with low pH from 12



### acid mine runoff, fish and such. 13



### Fisheries and recreational users would 14


### benefit by eliminating the acids from these 15


### waters, and ultimately we could see a reduction 16



### -- or, that is, a raising of the pH of our o cean 17



### levels. 18


### Parenthetically, the Allegheny Highlands 19


### of West Virginia are the birthplace of some of 20


### the water sources for West Virginia, 12 other 21



### states and our own District of Columbia. 22

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### Funding is a problem, and I realize it is 1


### not the purview of t he Environmental Protection 2


### Agency; however, the Congress of the United 3



### States somehow, some way must enact a transfer 4


### fee upon exchange and electronically

- traded 5



### financial instruments of one

- half of one percent 6


### of the traded value, 20 percent of which wou ld be 7


### earmarked to pay for the equivalent of a 8


### Manhattan project to achieve sustainable energy 9



### self

- sufficiency for America within five years. 10



### It can be done. 11



### The value of these instruments exceeds 12


### one quadrillion dollars annually now. Now, for 13



### those o f you not versed in arithmetic, that's a 14


### one followed by 15 zeros. And just figure what 15



### one

- half of one percent is. 16


### Finally, these technologies marketed and 17



### shared with the rest of the world and vice

- versa 18



### will result in a more livable world for all of 19



### us. 20


### Thank you so much for your time. 21



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 22

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### MR. CHRISTENSON: Good morning. My name 1



### is John Christensen, C

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### Good morning. My name is John 3


### Christensen. I am a long

- time resident and 4



### taxpayer of the great State of West Virginia, and 5


### I am living proof that a retired shifts engineer 6


### of 30 years can transition into a renewable 7


### energy job utilizing the same principles to keep 8


### the lights on while employing a different power 9



### source, namely, the sun. 10



### I work for a smal l solar company that 11


### designs, procures and installs solar energy 12


### systems for our neighbors, businesses and 13


### government buildings in eight states and the 14



### District of Columbia. 15


### We want to grow the industry at a steady 16


### pace, but we want to branch out into bu siness 17



### heretofore thought to be out of our comfort zone. 18



### Our work is a direct result of science, 19


### technology, engineering and math curriculum that 20


### has been emphasized in our high schools lately. 21


### We hire local college grads, teach them 22

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### how to do solar installations, permitting, 1



### customer assurance, customer care, 2


### troubleshooting and problem

- solving with a team 3


### spirit that gives them the sense of how to 4


### succeed in business and be part of the growing 5


### trend in America today. 6


### We started with three people o nly six 7


### years ago and, now, we have grown to 40 sometime 8


### last year when we were particularly busy. 9



### We have been honored to win several 10



### awards in business in this short time and have 11


### trained several former employees to be able to 12



### start their own businesse s in direct competition 13


### with us. And we are proud that we trained them 14



### and got them started. 15


### There is plenty of work to go around in 16


### order to ramp up our industry to become the 17


### guiding force for future energy production in 18


### America. According to the Nat ional Renewable 19



### Energy Laboratory only one

- quarter of residential 20


### and commercial rooftops in America are suitable 21


### for solar. That creates a big opportunity for 22

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### crowd solar to community solar, two models that 1


### are gaining attraction in the country. 2



### Clean Energy Collective, a Colorado

- based 3


### community solar developer, suggests that shared 4


### solar could more than triple customer access to 5


### PV in the U.S., but with only 50 megawatts of 6


### community and crowd

- source solar installed, it 7


### will take a lot of regulatory a nd policy change 8


### to unlock that market potential. 9


### Think of all the empty rooftops on 10


### buildings, warehouses, stadiums, big

- box stores 11


### and the potential for growth is literally 12


### overwhelming. 13


### We are in the midst of something special 14



### here. I'm glad that I have lived during this 15


### time of solar energy expansion like no other time 16



### in the 60

- year history of solar energy in 17



### America. 18



### We invented it, we've researched and 19


### developed it, we lowered the price through 20


### technological advances and economies of scale and 21


### we almost gave it all away during the Bush

- Cheney 22

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### Administration. 1


### The solar industry has thrived during 2



### this Administration. When it came time for 3



### government help to see what government can do 4


### when it puts its collective mind to it, the DoE 5


### has given competitive grants that have helped to 6



### pave the way for lower cost, faster and safer 7


### installations. The USDA has also provided much 8


### needed grants to small business and agriculture 9



### in hard

- pressed regions. And the 30 percent tax 10


### credit uncapped has given the industry and its 11



### customers a much needed shot in the arm to 12


### compete with traditional energy sources. 13


### The President, through the Federal Trade 14


### Commission, has stopped illegal dumping of 15


### Chinese panels on our domestic markets. This is 16



### a government th at is doing its job. 17


### We decided early on to use American

- made 18



### modules, inverters and hardware when we install 19


### our systems and we bid our jobs accordingly. 20


### We are proud to install Solar World panels and 21


### we're proud to promote and emphasize ownership to 22

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### ou r customers. 1



### When Americans invest in their own best 2


### interest, like buying a home, why not include a 3


### sticker price for how much the home costs to 4


### operate? If a home is energy

- efficient and 5


### produces its own power on the roof, it stands to 6



### reason that it' s more valuable than the home next 7


### door which doesn't do any of these things. 8


### Higher value means higher taxes to support the 9



### local economy. 10


### My personal story is a bit unusual, but 11


### not for us. Our company decided early on that 12


### electric cars were going to be a big hit, and 13


### powered by the sun made it even better. 14


### I can produce most of my residential 15


### power needs, and I drive an electric vehicle 16


### which I charge from my rooftop panels. My 17


### savings is noticeable, about $140 a month on 18


### electricity and $2,000 a year on not buying 19


### gasoline. What's not to like? 20


### MS. CRAIG: Mr. Christensen, can you

-- 21


### MR. CHRISTENSEN: Yeah, I'll wrap it up. 22

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### I'll wrap it up. 1


### To deny the existence of climate change 2


### in the face of overwhelmingly convincing facts is 3



### not in the best interest of humanity. The planet 4


### will survive. We humans may not. 5


### I stand in support of the new carbon 6


### rules issued by our Environmental Protection 7


### Agency in Washington, D.C. Unlike the 8


### politicians from my state that have agreed with 9



### the coal i ndustry war on coal rhetoric, many 10


### thousands of West Virginia citizens are 11


### disappointed and embarrassed by the claims of our 12


### electric leaders in support of their benefactors 13


### through the legacy of lucrative campaign 14


### contributions. They do what they are tol d in 15


### order to continue to receive largess of these 16


### industries. On the ships, we used to call this 17



### blood money. 18


### Most folks I talk to today are disgusted 19


### with the lack of progress on climate change 20


### legislation. 21



### MS. CRAIG: We need to

-- 22

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### MR. CHRISTENSE N: I've got one more 1



### sentence. 2



### MS. CRAIG: Okay 3


### MR. CHRISTENSEN: The future is brighter 4



### thanks to your new rules. 5


### Let the people breathe cleaner air, drink 6


### fresh, pure water and watch our economy thrive 7


### and become healthier once again. Let the d eniers 8



### be damned. 9



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 10


### And just a reminder to all panelists, if 11



### you want to leave your prepared remarks at the 12


### registration desk, we would appreciate that. 13



### Thank you so much. 14


### We have the next panel and that's Dick 15



### Wilson an d Martha Ehlman. And if you could both 16



### come up, that would be great. 17


### Is Martha here? If not, if you could 18


### just spell your name for the court reporter 19



### before you get started

-- 20



### MR. WILSON: Will do. 21



### MS. CRAIG:

-- that will be great. Thank 22

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### you. 1



### MR. WILSON: Dick Wilson, D

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### Good morning. My name is Dick Wilson. 4


### I'm an international representative with the 5



### International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 6


### and a member of Local Union 753 in Springfield, 7



### Missouri. 8



### On behalf o f the, approximately, 750,000 9



### active members and retirees of the IBEW, I thank 10


### you for the opportunity to testify. 11


### For the following reasons, the IBEW 12



### opposes the Clean Power Plan as proposed: 13


### EPA reports within six years the Clean 14



### Power Plan will lea d to the closure of 41 to 49 15


### gigawatts of coal

- fired generator capacity by 16


### 2020. According to the government's own figures, 17


### this will result in the loss of 52,000 permanent 18


### direct jobs in the utility, rail and coal mining 19



### sectors. 20


### In addition, closing t his much coal 21


### generation will cost an additional 100,000 22

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### indirect jobs. That equals 152,000 good

- paying, 1



### middle

- class jobs and jobs that are critical to 2


### our nation's economic recovery. 3


### However, coming from the "Show Me" state, 4



### I believe the EPA's number s must be viewed with 5


### some suspicion. During the Mercury and Air Toxic 6



### standards rule

- making process, the EPA claimed 7


### MATS would close only 4.7 gigawatts of coal 8


### generation. 9



### The IBEW and others told EPA their 10



### numbers were off

- base and out of touch and that 11


### MATS would close 56 gigawatts of coal. As it 12



### turned out, we were the ones that were correct. 13


### Experts now confirm that 56 gigawatts of coal 14


### generation will be lost by 2016. 15


### Taken together, MATS and the Clean Air 16


### Plan will close approximately 40 pe rcent of 17


### today's coal fleet. Gone with those plants will 18


### be, approximately, 400,000 American jobs at a 19



### time when our nation continues to recover from 20


### the worst recession since the Great Depression. 21


### Unfortunately, given the IBEW's experience with 22

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### MATS, the se numbers could be far worse. 1


### As a former business manager, I've seen 2



### first

- hand the jobs that were created by coal

3


### fired power plants and the importance they play 4



### in small towns and communities across the 5



### country. 6


### In my hometown of Springfield, Mis souri, 7


### having our own base load power supply, which is 8


### owned by the municipal utility, has been crucial 9


### to helping southwest Missouri weather the Great 10



### Recession far better than most communities of its 11



### size. 12


### According to one of the proposed plans 13



### put for th by the EPA with the Clean Power Plan, 14


### the City of Springfield, Missouri, and its 15


### municipal utility, City Utilities of Springfield, 16



### will lose close to one

- third of its base load 17


### generation. This would force the utility and its 18



### rate payers to buy power f rom another source 19


### outside of the community and a source that is in 20


### the business of making a profit, not providing 21


### reliable and economical electricity to the rate 22

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### payers and citizens of the community. 1



### We ask that the EPA take a common sense 2



### approach thro ugh the rule

- making process. We ask 3


### that EPA not sacrifice our nation's economy and 4


### electric reliability by developing a rule that 5


### does not take into account current commercially

6


### proven and economically

- viable technology to 7



### reduce CO2 such as an American Electrical Power 8


### Turk plant in Fulton, Arkansas. 9


### Along with the steps to reduce CO2 10


### emissions that have already been taken in states 11



### due to market

- driven conditions such as increased 12


### natural gas use, retirements of older coal plants 13



### and/or the constru ction of new nuclear 14


### generation, the IBEW recommends a delay in the 15


### implementation of a Clean Power Plan until a 16



### common sense approach can be developed to reduce 17


### CO2, an approach that will give sites and 18


### utilities adequate time to develop and implement 19



### com pliance strategies. 20


### And, in closing, we understand that it's 21


### the EPA's responsibility to determine 22

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### environmental policy and our nation's role in 1


### addressing climate change. However, we do not 2


### believe that it is the EPA's role to set energy 3



### or economic policy as this rule clearly does. 4


### We believe that the only way to have a 5


### meaningful impact in climate change would be to 6


### require the full cooperation of nations like 7



### China and India. 8


### Without their participation and 9


### commitment, this rule will accompl ish no 10


### measurable results in the global perspective and 11


### will only serve to harm our nation's economic and 12


### electric reliability. 13



### Thank you. 14



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 15


### So did Martha Elman join us? 16


### We have Regina Hendrix and David Belote. 17



### MS. HENDRIX: I'm Regina. 18



### MS. CRAIG: Okay. 19



### MR. BELOTE: And I'm David. 20


### MS. CRAIG: Okay. And if you could join 21



### us at the table, that would be great. 22

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### And if you would, start by spelling your 1


### name for the court reporter. So, Regina, would 2


### you like to go first ? 3


### MS. HENDRIX: Okay. My name is Regina 4



### Hendrix. 5


### MS. CRAIG: And you're going to need to 6


### use the mic so the court reporter can hear you, 7



### as well as everyone else. 8



### MS. HENDRIX: Okay. 9



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 10


### MS. HENDRIX: My name is Regina Hendrix
, 11



### R

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### morning. 13


### I was born in the Kanawha Valley in 14


### Southern West Virginia into a family of eight. 15


### Six of my family members have had cancer. 16


### Through the years, numerous friends and relatives 17



### have suffered with c ancer, asthma and other 18


### maladies brought on by the poisoned water and air 19



### in the coal fields. 20


### I became so concerned about the pollution 21



### from chemicals and the extractive industries that 22

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### I left the Charles Town area in 2009, and I came 1



### to live in the east ern panhandle of West 2


### Virginia. 3


### As a West Virginian living in the 4


### panhandle, I'm free of the polluted air and 5


### water; however, I'm not free from paying the 6


### price of cleanup for our extractive industries 7


### which are being allowed to externalize the costs 8



### of mining. 9


### The cost of mining is passed on to 10


### taxpayers because there is an insufficient bond 11


### put up by the companies at permit time. The 12


### companies then spin off their subsidiaries into 13


### separate entities. 14


### When the coal is gone, the company is 15



### bankrupt. They forfeit the bond and leave a 16


### large cleanup bill for the taxpayer. Many of 17


### these sites will belch out selenium, mercury and 18


### all forms of acid drainage in perpetuity. 19


### In the 1940s West Virginia, there were 20


### 130,000 coal mining jobs. Today, there are 21


### 19,000 mining jobs. When I left Southern West 22

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### Virginia in the 1950s, there were 83,000 people 1


### living in Charles Town. When I returned in the 2


### 1990s, there were just over 50,000 people. 3


### The tonnage of coal being removed was way 4



### up, but people were leav ing the area and the 5


### economy was in shambles. 6



### The extractive industries have taken a 7


### big toll on my home state. Mountaintop removal 8


### mining has not only sickened our citizens, but it 9


### has cost us jobs because the coal is removed with 10


### heavy machinery opera ted by a few surface 11



### workers. 12


### To destroy the mountains and poison the 13



### water desecrates creation. Since God made all of 14


### creation good, raping the land and poisoning the 15



### water becomes a direct assault on the God

- given 16


### goodness of creation. It becomes o ur own special 17



### form of blasphemy. 18



### Recently, the water supply for 300,000 19


### people in Southern West Virginia was poisoned by 20


### the coal cleaning compound MCMH. You might ask 21



### why 300,000 people were all on the same water 22

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### system. The answer is because the wel ls in the 1


### southern counties have been poisoned. The 2


### taxpayer paid the price to furnish water to the 3


### southern counties and then we poisoned these same 4


### citizens with our city water. 5


### This EPA rule means we finally do 6


### something serious to control greenhouse gases. 7


### It will save thousands of lives and is justified 8


### by the health benefits alone. 9


### We can help bring prosperity back to West 10


### Virginia with the jobs created by our investment 11


### in energy efficiency and renewables. 12



### Thank you. 13



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 14


### MR. BELOTE: My name is David Belote, B, 15


### as in boy, E

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### to argue in favor of the EPA rule to send a 17


### strong signal. 18



### I'm a retired Air Force colonel. I 19


### graduated both the School of Advanced Airpowers 20



### Studies and Nationa l War College and a former 21


### Commander of Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas. 22

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### I had the great good fortune as the 1



### commander of Nellis to inherit the

-- what was 2


### then the largest photovoltaic array in the 3



### continent and have on the Air Force base almost 4



### 30 percent of the annual electricity produced by 5



### a behind

- the

- fence photovoltaic array. So I saw, 6


### both academically and in person, how important 7


### economically and as a matter of extra security 8


### renewable energy is. 9



### You will see that back in about 2005 w ith 10


### the publication of a letter from Marine General 11


### Zilmer sent back from Afghanistan, that the 12


### military started a major culture change 13


### recognizing that climate security is a national 14


### security imperative. 15


### And in my hometown of Virginia Beach, 16


### Virginia, t he Hampton Roads area, about three 17



### hours south of here, Norfolk Naval Base and 18


### Langley Air Force Base, in incredibly low

- lying 19


### areas that involve the Chesapeake Bay and the 20


### mouth of James River, are probably going to be 21



### under water sometime between 2050 an d 2070. 22

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### Now, the United States Department of 1


### Defense has a long history in sending market 2


### signals and doing incredible innovation. The 3


### reason that we have jet engines, radar, GPS, the 4


### integrated circuit chip and the Internet is 5


### primarily the United Stat es Department of Defense 6


### pushing forth an innovation and then bright 7


### innovators, entrepreneurs, capitalists in America 8


### taking that and running with it. This is 9


### precisely what the EPA's rule has the chance of 10


### doing, and that's exactly what the military 11



### nee ds. 12


### After retiring from the military, I spent 13


### two years overseeing renewable energy policy laws 14


### in the Pentagon, and then I spent two years 15


### developing wind and solar projects for behind

16



### the

- fence energy sharing for the military. And 17



### because there is not yet a clear market signal, 18


### nor is there Congressional appropriations 19



### available, the behind

- the

- fence energy security 20


### for the military is basically flat. 21


### It has been our experience that if you 22

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### use something like the EPA goal with the 1


### flexibility to allow all states to produce their 2



### own plans on how to reach those 30

- percent 3


### reductions by 2030, that bright innovators are 4


### going to jump out there and do something. And 5


### right now, if you take a look at all of the 6


### official studies of the Department of Defense, 7


### that are trying to figure out how to reverse the 8


### effects of climate change and how to stop 9


### spending American lives protecting fossil fuels 10


### and their supply lines. 11


### So in as strong as possible terms, I ask 12


### you to approve this rule and send a very strong, 13



### a rdent signal and then let American capitalists 14


### figure out how to sell their systems internally, 15



### to the Chinese, to the Indians, to the entire 16



### world. 17


### Thanks for your time. 18



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 19


### Okay. So our next panel is Megan 20



### Severson and Martha Ehlman. And then the panel 21


### after, which will be in waiting, is Sasha 22

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### Tenenbaum and Jonathan Jacoby. 1


### So, Megan Severson, if you want to start, 2


### and you could start by spelling your name for the 3



### court reporter. 4



### MS. SEVERSON: Sure. It's 5



### S

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### So my name is Megan Severson, and I'm the 7



### State Advocate for Wisconsin Environment. In 8


### Wisconsin, global warming just isn't a distant 9


### threat. It's certainly here. Now, in the 10



### present, we've already seen severe droughts, 11



### extreme sto rms and flooding throughout the state. 12


### I grew up on a farm in the western part 13


### of the state about ten miles from the Mississippi 14


### River. It's surrounded by bluffs and river 15


### valleys, and the farm has been in my dad's side 16


### of the family since the 1860s. 17


### In 2012, in the summer, our region 18


### experienced a record

- breaking drought that killed 19


### off a lot of our crops and throughout Wisconsin. 20


### The following spring, we experienced record 21


### flooding which delayed planting season by a few 22

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### weeks. 1


### I would really like to be able to say 2


### that my kids and grandkids will be able to 3


### experience the same farm and quality of life that 4


### I did with my sisters as a kid, but I am 5


### increasingly nervous that that's not going to be 6


### a possibility. 7


### You know, scientists are very clear th at 8


### unless we act now to reduce the pollution fueling 9


### global warming, most importantly the carbon 10


### dioxide, that things really are just going to get 11



### much worse for our children and we won't be able 12



### to turn back. 13


### So that is why Wisconsin Environment 14



### belie ves that the Clean Power Plan is a vital 15


### step, and we support the finalization of the 16


### strongest possible plan to cut carbon pollution. 17


### You know, scientists are warning that if 18



### we allow the planet to warm above two degrees 19


### Celsius, the likelihood greatly increases that we 20


### will not be able to prevent the worst impacts of 21


### global warming. That requires cutting carbon 22

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### pollution in half by 2050. And wealthy countries 1


### need to cut carbon emissions much more deeply 2


### than emerging nations like China and India. 3



### T o do its part and leverage the 4


### leadership, we really need to compel other 5


### countries to act, and so that's why the United 6


### States must reduce its global warming pollution 7



### at least 80 percent by 2050. 8


### Power plants are the largest single 9



### source of U.S. carbo n pollution, and while we 10


### must move quickly to limit carbon from all 11



### sources, the power plants

– you know, this is 12


### really our best opportunity in the near term to 13



### achieve dramatic reductions in carbon. 14


### Our recent report, America's Dirtiest 15



### Power Plants, found that the 50 dirtiest power 16


### plants emit more carbon each year than all but 17


### five other countries. Fortunately, the solutions 18


### to global warming really are at our fingertips 19


### and many of them in Wisconsin. We have the 20


### technology to dramatically reduce e missions of 21


### carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases by 22

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### using energy more efficiently and generating 1



### energy that we do use from, you know, truly clean 2



### sources, such as the wind and the sun. 3


### Wisconsin's power plants contribute 4



### 43 percent of our state's carbon pollution, and 5



### the Clean Power Plan would actually clean up our 6



### power plants by at least 13 percent. 7


### Wisconsin Environment applauds the EPA 8


### for responding to the urgent need to protect 9


### public health and our children's future by 10


### reigning in unlimit ed carbon pollution. But 11


### certainly given the scope of the problem and the 12



### urgent need to act, we know we can do even better 13


### by really harnessing the power of clean energy. 14


### Fortunately, in Wisconsin, we're not 15


### starting from scratch. The Clean Power Plan will 16


### build on nearly a decade of investment in clean 17


### energy. It's not the first step, but it can be 18


### the last. But Wisconsin has made great strides 19



### already. We've passed renewable energy standards 20



### to get 10 percent clean energy by 2015 and 21


### programs like Focus on Energy have been 22

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### successful in incentivizing energy efficiency and 1


### solar programs in the state. 2



### We know that clean energy works to cut 3


### pollution and already clean energy policies have 4


### cut carbon pollution in Wisconsin in 2012, the 5


### equivalent t o taking 5.2 million cars off the 6


### road. And, you know, we just have the potential 7



### to get even more of our energy from solar and 8


### wind, and we're working on that. 9


### I can, you know, really clearly envision 10


### a future in which all of our electricity comes 11



### from the wind that rolls across our fields and 12


### the sun, you know, that shines on our rooftops 13



### and our barns and businesses. And I know that we 14



### can make our homes and businesses so efficient 15


### that with solar panels on top, they would 16



### actually produce even more electricity than they 17



### consume. 18


### This really is the future that I envision 19


### for my family and for all Wisconsinites. I think 20


### it's the future we deserve. It’s certainly one 21


### we can make possible, and it's one that the Clean 22

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### Power Plan really has the poten tial to take us 1



### one step closer toward. 2


### So I thank you so much for your time. 3



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 4


### MS. EHLMAN: Hello. Good morning. My 5


### name is Martha Ehlman. The last name is spelled 6



### E

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### I am the owner of Harpers Ferry, West 8


### Virginia 's Green America business, Tenfold Fair 9



### Trade Collection. 10



### I am here before you today as a proud 11


### American, a West Virginia resident and business 12



### owner, and the granddaughter of two great men who 13


### both made their living in the coal mines of 14



### Southern West Virginia. 15


### I am grateful for the opportunity to 16


### speak with you today to show my support of the 17


### President's Climate Action Plan. I applaud the 18


### EPA's Clean Power Plan to reduce carbon pollution 19


### in the power sector. 20



### As a small business whose focus is 21



### li fting up marginalized artisans, spanning the 22

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### globe, I often hear the worst of how climate 1


### disruption is affecting the poorest of the poor, 2


### from Indonesia's devastating Tsunami, to Haiti's 3


### mudslides, not to mention the plight of so many 4


### small farmers fighti ng to keep their crops alive 5



### in Central and South America, as well as Africa 6


### and other continents. It is important to our 7


### very existence that we do everything we can to 8


### halt climate disruption. I am here today because 9


### I am committed to the care of our pl anet, as well 10


### as the care of our global neighbors. 11


### As a resident of West Virginia, I know 12


### all too well the dependency our state has on King 13



### Coal, and as the granddaughter of men that both 14


### died way too young of complications having to do 15



### with their line o f work. I also know that our 16



### state's and our country's dependency on coal and 17


### other dirty energy has gone on for way too long. 18



### The illness that our miners and their 19


### communities suffer has to stop. The mass exodus 20



### from our state for greener pastures, for 21


### opportunity has to stop. The destruction of our 22

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### mountains has to stop. The poisoning of our 1


### rivers and streams has to stop. The pollution of 2


### our air has to stop. 3


### I would love to see West Virginians given 4


### the opportunity to be leaders in new and 5



### re newable energy sources. I would love to see 6


### West Virginia's schools fitted with solar panels 7



### and more energy

- efficient heating and cooling 8


### units as many of the school buildings in our 9


### neighboring State of Maryland have done. 10


### In West Virginia, energy

- eff iciency 11


### programs could create as many as 19,500 new jobs 12


### in construction, installation, technology 13


### development, and other related fields within 14


### three years of aggressive investments by 15



### utilities. 16


### Energy efficiency creates more jobs per 17



### dollar spent tha n investments in any other part 18


### of the economy, including coal plants. 19


### Utility energy

- efficiency programs make 20


### updating lighting, replacing outdated appliances, 21


### weatherizing homes and other money

- saving 22

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### building upgrades more accessible to customers. 1



### I, myself, would love to be able to 2


### purchase my own electricity and my business' 3


### electricity from renewable sources. Sadly, at 4


### present, the only alternative I have is to 5


### purchase carbon offsets, which I do. 6


### I support your commitment to a 30

- percent 7



### d rop in sector

- wide carbon emissions by 2030, 8


### although I'd like to see it happen more quickly 9


### and in other sectors, as well, particularly 10



### industrial. 11


### I support your plan to put Americans to 12


### work making the U.S. electricity system less 13


### polluting and our homes and businesses more 14


### efficient, shrinking electricity bills by roughly 15


### 8 percent in 2030; although, this, too, I would 16


### like to see happen more quickly. 17



### I would caution us not to move to less 18


### dirty energy sources such as natural gas or 19



### nuclear powe r. Nuclear power is not a climate 20


### solution. It may produce lower carbon energy, 21


### but it is not clean energy. Natural gas may have 22

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### a smaller carbon footprint, but it is not clean 1



### energy. 2


### I do understand that in the political 3


### landscape in which we find o urselves it is 4


### impossible to enact a progressive carbon tax 5


### capable of funding renewable energy 6



### infrastructure. I also understand that this 7


### Administration is doing what it can without the 8


### blessing of Congress. 9


### I truly hope that with the improvements 10



### t hat the Clean Power Plan can make, we will be 11


### lead to turn our energies toward the technologies 12


### and strategies that can truly make a difference, 13


### that being solar power, wind power and energy 14



### conservation. 15



### Thank you so much. 16



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 17


### Our next panel is Sasha Tenenbaum and 18



### Jonathan Jacoby. 19


### MR. JACOBY: Good morning. 20


### MS. CRAIG: Good morning. And if you 21


### could start by spelling your name for the court 22

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### reporter, please. 1



### MR. JACOBY: Sure. It's Jonathan Jacoby, 2



### J

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### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 4


### MR. JACOBY: I'll spell it for her. 5



### Sasha, S

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- E

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### Thank you for inviting our family to 7


### speak at the EPA's public hearings on the Clean 8



### Power Plan. 9



### As a note of introductio n, we are 10


### obviously here as a family. Our daughter, Simone 11


### Dafney, is here with us. Today was her second 12


### birthday. We also have another child here, 13


### although, in utero. She makes her debut in the 14


### wide world in, roughly, four months. 15



### MS. TENENBAUM: As a mom active with the 16



### Mom's Clean Air Force and a former communication 17


### strategist for the Climate Group, I know that the 18


### biggest stakeholders when it comes to the future 19


### of our world are our children, my children, your 20



### children, our children. 21



### If we con tinue to allow carbon to be 22

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### spewed into the air unchecked, with each passing 1


### day, we will be leaving our children with 2


### uncertain, unhealthy and unsafe futures. In 3


### short, my message to you is to give our children 4



### clean air to breathe. 5



### The facts are catch ing up with us. The 6


### American Lung Association tells us that up to 7



### 100,000 asthma attacks and 4,000 premature deaths 8


### could be avoided in the first year alone when the 9


### Clean Power plan goes into effect. 10


### Now, last Wednesday Simone and I were 11



### among a group of concerned moms with the Clean 12



### Air Force who, with their children, attended the 13


### packed Senate Hearing in which your EPA Chief, 14


### Gina McCarthy, issued a resoundingly strong 15


### defense of proposed curbs in carbon emissions 16



### from power plants. 17


### Now, admittedly, I didn't catch every 18


### word that day, as my toddler, who is quite 19


### fidgety, didn't allow such privileges during the 20



### two

- plus hour hearing. But what I heard both 21


### dismayed me and encouraged me. The continued 22

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### climate skepticism expressed by some senators is, 1


### indeed, worrisome. The open questioning of EPA's 2


### authority is plain absurd. Didn't Justice Scalia 3



### settle that score? 4



### But I was deeply encouraged, even 5


### uplifted, by the Obama Administration's steadfast 6


### commitment to reduce pollution from power plants. 7


### But a real uplift for me would be to see the EPA 8


### go even more boldly in the direction of its 9



### mandate and not stop at 30 percent by 2030. 10


### While 30 by 2030 has a nice ring to it, we need 11


### an even deeper cut to carbon pollution. I would 12



### like to see emission s cut by 40 percent. That 13



### number is more in line with what the scientists 14


### are telling us we must do this without delay if 15


### we are to safeguard a bright future for Simone 16


### here and Junior here and billions of girls like 17



### them around the globe. 18



### Thank you v ery much. 19


### MS. JACOBY: Good morning. When my 20


### grandmother, amusingly known as Dodo, was a spry 21


### 98 years old, she became a climate refugee. 22

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### Superstorm Sandy wreaked enormous havoc on her 1


### historic apartment building on Lido Beach, New 2



### York. 3



### Dodo and her friends and neighbors were 4


### displaced for nine months. Ever the resilient 5


### spirit, Dodo managed to weather the storm and the 6


### support of family and friends and the feds made 7


### that adaptation possible. Here's a photo of her. 8


### Born earlier that year, our dau ghter, 9


### Simone Dafney, is celebrating her second birthday 10


### today, and Dodo will be celebrating her 100th 11


### birthday in a couple of months. 12


### While Simone's spirit is as resilient as 13



### Dodo's, I cannot help but wonder what the weather 14



### will be like at her beloved Lido Beach on the day 15


### that Simone turns a hundred. After all, humanity 16


### is causing irreparable damage to our planet 17


### through the carbon emissions from our industrial 18


### and agricultural activities. 19


### Former Treasury Secretaries, Robert 20


### Rubin, Henry Paulson, an d former New York City 21


### Mayor Michael Bloomberg are the latest messengers 22

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### for both political parties to deliver a clarion 1



### call for climate action. 2


### In the Washington Post last week, Rubin 3


### summarized the new report that his triumvirate 4



### developed along a p restigious group of economists 5


### and scientists, quote: "The report's conclusions 6


### demonstrated a significant harm that climate 7


### change is causing now, and that will most 8


### certainly be far more severe in the future to the 9


### agricultural, energy and coastal

- proper ty 10


### sectors, as well as to public health and labor 11


### productivity more generally." No wonder the 12


### report is entitled, "Risky Business." 13


### American businesses, large and small, are 14


### investing in both climate change mitigation and 15


### adaptation having seen the real world risks that 16


### extreme weather from droughts in the Midwest to 17


### floods in Thailand poses to their bottom line. 18


### Just yesterday, General Mills announced a bold 19


### new climate change policy. Oxfam, the 20


### international development and humanitarian 21


### organization for which I work, has invested years 22

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### in catalyzing its commitment from this all

1


### American food and beverage giant. After all, we 2



### see first

- hand the impact that climate change is 3


### having on the world's most vulnerable people. 4


### Climate change being the insul t to the injury of 5



### poverty. 6


### If America's companies can take a lead, 7


### so, too, can America’s government. I commend the 8


### EPA for taking the lead to reduce our nation's 9


### carbon pollution. After all, leading by example 10


### is our best chance at prompting the othe r 192 11


### nations on the planet to join us in attacking the 12


### global challenge of climate change at the global 13


### scale that is required. 14



### Thank you. 15



### MS. CRAIG: Thanks to you both and happy 16


### birthday to Simone. 17



### MR. JACOBY: Thank you. 18



### MS. CRAIG: So our next panel is Frances 19


### Crutchfield and Richard Kennedy. 20


### And if you could, start by spelling your 21



### name. 22

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### MS. CRUTCHFIELD: Yes. My name is 1



### Frances Crutchfield, and it's 2



### C

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### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 4



### MS. CRUTCHFIELD: To the EPA, crucial 5



### institution, this isn't meant as a revolution and 6


### it is in no way prosecution. Please give heed to 7


### my elocution. We beg you to work for dissolution 8


### of bad air quality from pollution. For climate 9


### disruption's evolution, we must soon find a good 10



### solution such as a wind energy institution or 11


### solar power substitution for there can't be any 12


### restitution for damage for power plants’ carbon 13


### pollution. 14



### The benefits of the Clean Power Plan mean 15



### better health for woman, child and man. Each 16


### state must develop its customized plan to meet 17


### challenges in ways that only it can. 18


### Reduced emissions, the immediate goal; 19


### less soot and smog pollutions from coal; no more 20



### need for criticizers, fewer inhalers and 21


### nebulizers; and the hope that someday everywhere 22

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### children will be able to breathe clean air. 1



### Thank you. 2



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 3


### MR. KENNEDY: My name is Richard Kennedy. 4


### I also spoke here at the 2012 hearing. 5


### As an economic analyst at CIA for 31 6


### years, I occasionally worked on energy and 7



### environmental issues

. 8



### MS. CRAIG: Would you please spell your 9



### name for the court reporter. 10



### MR. KENNEDY: Richard, R

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### Kennedy, like the well

- known president, 12



### K

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### As I said, I worked a little bit on 14


### energy and environmental issues at CIA. Other 15



### pe ople there did it full

- time. My recollection 16


### is that by about 20 years ago, we had no doubt 17


### that climate change was a serious problem. So 18


### I'm here to support you in taking action. 19


### I have one handout which is an update 20


### from the 2012 hearing. I call it global warming 21


### in one easy picture. It's just a chart from the 22

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### Northern Hemisphere. 1


### The blue line is average surface 2


### temperature going back to 1880 and the red line 3


### is the sea ice extent also going back to 1880. 4


### And as you can see, the temperature is going up 5


### and the sea ice is falling precipitously. So 6


### that, to me, is the really convincing evidence 7


### that the problem is real. 8


### I was personally convinced back about 9


### 1992 by the "Economics of Global Warming." It 10


### was written by a very good economist na med 11



### William Cline who looked at the evidence, 12



### evaluated it and came to the conclusion that the 13


### case for climate change was very strong and it 14


### was logical in that situation to start taking 15



### remedial action. 16


### He came back to the issue three years ago 17



### with a book called, "Carbon Abatement Costs and 18


### Climate Change Finance," in which he argues that 19


### the costs of dealing with the problem are high, 20


### but manageable. It's not something that would, 21



### by any means, break the backs of our economy. 22

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### Looking at this as an economist, the 1


### problem is that CO2 emissions are what we would 2


### call an "externality"; that is, it's a cost that 3


### some activity imposes on society and that cost is 4


### not incorporated in the price of the products 5


### that people buy. This is why the free market 6



### do es not work in this situation, even though it's 7


### a marvelous institution that works very well in 8



### most places. 9


### Even conservative economists would agree 10



### that there's a reason for government 11


### intervention. They would also agree that the 12



### best intervention wou ld be a carbon tax which, 13


### obviously, is beyond EPA's powers, but steps in 14


### the right direction are a lot better than doing 15


### nothing. 16


### What it would suggest is that any actions 17



### you take, you should rely on markets and 18


### individual initiative as far as possible because 19


### people have an extraordinary ability to find 20


### solutions when they have a financial incentive. 21



### I saw this first

- hand because I had a 22

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### very small part in the CIA's analysis of the 1973 1


### oil price hike when the price of crude went from 2



### $3 a barrel to $12 a barrel. And in hindsight, 3


### we badly underestimated how much both supply and 4


### demand would respond to that price increase. 5



### Of course, a 300

- percent increase in a 6


### key commodity overnight was not a good idea, and 7


### the shock of that basically threw the world in a 8


### recession in 1974, but it did produce a big 9



### response from both consumers and producers. 10


### Finally, the U.S. obviously can't solve 11


### the climate change by itself; but for the last 12


### century we have not hesitated to lead the world 13


### in dealing with big issues, and problems don't 14


### get much bigger than this. So I encourage you to 15


### take what steps you can and hope that others will 16



### follow. 17



### And this final note, since the CIA 18


### basically is an organization that serves the 19


### executive branch of the government, it 's perhaps 20


### within the power of your administrator to ask 21


### them for an assessment of the situation and you 22

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### would get a very objective, unbiased assessment 1


### because it's a very intellectually honest place, 2



### and that's what we do. 3



### Thank you very much. 4



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 5


### And just a reminder to the panelists 6


### that, if you want, you can leave your written 7


### comments with the registration desk. 8


### And thank you for that suggestion. We 9


### appreciate it. 10


### So our next panel is Stan Boyd and Adam 11



### Tiffen. 12



### So if you would start with spelling your 13



### name, that would be great. Thank you. 14


### MR. BOYD: Yes. My name is Stan, 15



### S

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### for allowing us, as citizens, to come and speak 17


### with you and express our concerns. 18



### I am a funda mentalist Christian who will 19


### speak from my heart. I don't have a list or 20


### nothing to read. 21


### I just want to say that I think God has 22

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### created a beautiful, beautiful planet here, the 1


### most beautiful planet in our solar system. And I 2


### just hate to see mankin d destroying it. And I 3


### see that happening as our air gets more polluted 4


### and our water is getting more polluted and our 5


### species are being killed off. And I think coal

6


### fired power plants are a major contributor to 7



### this. 8


### And as a child and young man in 9



### W ashington, D.C., I saw the billows of smoke just 10


### coming up from the Benning Road Station, and I'm 11


### like, "Why do people permit this? Something 12



### should be done about this." 13



### And so I'm shocked to learn a few years 14


### ago there are no restrictions on coal pow er 15


### plants. How could that be when it's destroying 16


### this planet? 17



### So I'm really happy to hear that at last 18


### maybe there will be some steps taken to limit the 19


### pollution that is coming out. 20



### And I know that there are all kinds of 21


### profits for those who be nefit from pollution, you 22

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### know, the industries that make money. But we 1


### have to think about this planet, and we have to 2


### think about our legacy to our children and the 3


### fact that all over the world the ice is melting. 4


### You know, what will happen when the 5


### rivers dry up and all the ice is gone? You know, 6



### we are headed for disaster. And this is what all 7



### of this means. I’m here as an individual. I'm 8


### not a paid lobbyist. I'm not working with any 9


### organization. I just care as an individual. 10



### I was a teac her for 37 years, and I 11


### started teaching back in 1970. So in any case, I 12



### know that the EPA is the Environmental Protection 13


### Agency, so I figure you are the ones that should 14


### be protecting our environment from pollution. 15


### And I'm glad that you are here to li sten to what 16



### we have to say. 17


### I want to applaud this first step that 18


### you're taking, but I think it's such minuscule 19



### step compared to the great need. I mean, we've 20


### got to take urgent action. This has to be a 21


### world priority, and I've read that all round the 22

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### world leaders are ready to act and do much more, 1


### but the U.S. has been holding back. And we are 2



### the leader. If we don't rule, then there's not 3



### much that can be done. 4


### So I will say that, really, the first 5


### thing, I think we should close all of o ur coal

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### fired power plants and move immediately to a 7


### crash program for solar power and wind power, 8


### clean energy. And I have read that it is 9


### possible to do this. It might take 20 to 30 10


### years, but we could actually move that fast if we 11



### have the will to tha t fast. 12


### And I'm saying that as the Environmental 13


### Protection Agency, you should be able to bank on 14


### urging, urging to the President, urging it 15



### wherever you can because we have so many other 16


### agencies and powers that are urging not to do 17


### much of anything. 18


### So if the EPA does take bigger steps and 19


### the government mandates things, industry will be 20


### able to adjust. They always have when they've 21



### had to do it. 22

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### And we've seen much more fires in 1


### California and across the country. And, you 2


### know, they can do it, but they need the will to 3


### do it. And I would urge you to show them the 4


### will, show them people care, you know, that we 5


### really need to take much bigger steps than just 6


### this one that's being proposed. But at least 7


### thank you for taking a first step. 8



### MS. CR AIG: Thank you very much. 9


### MR. TIFFEN: My name is Adam Tiffen, 10


### alpha, delta, alpha, mike. Tango, India, fox, 11



### fox, echo, November. 12


### Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for the 13


### opportunity to discuss how climate change poses a 14



### direct threat to our national security and why 15


### the Clean Power Plan is a critical policy that 16


### will not only make us safer as a nation, but also 17


### ensure global stability. 18


### My name is Adam Tiffen. I am a U.S. Army 19


### Veteran. I served three tours of duty in Iraq 20


### and Afghanistan as an infa ntry officer. 21


### It was during my first deployment in 2005 22

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### when, as a rifle platoon leader, I was 1


### responsible for providing security for fuel 2


### convoys throughout Al Anbar province. 3



### It was then that I first came to realize 4


### how dependent the U.S. military, and by 5



### extension, the United States has become on fossil 6


### fuels. Without energy, we could not fight. 7


### Combat outposts, tanks, Humvees, aircraft 8


### and radios were all dependent on one thing, 9



### energy. 10



### Due to the enormous demands placed on our 11


### supply chain , we could not alter our routes. We 12



### could not alter our schedule. Insurgents could 13


### literally set their watches by our convoys. This 14


### was the weak link in our supply chain, and it 15


### took enormous economic and personal sacrifice by 16



### our combat troops to secur e the delivery of this 17


### energy to the warfighter. It is not an 18


### exaggeration to say that to secure the vital 19



### lifeblood of our forces, fuel, service members 20


### often, and in many cases, unnecessarily lost 21



### their lives. 22

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### Beyond my direct areas of responsibility, 1



### I saw first

- hand the impacts of war on innocent 2


### civilian populations and the violence and chaos 3


### that occurs when some of the most impoverished 4


### places in the world are destabilized by conflict. 5


### The strong prey upon the weak. Civil society 6



### breaks down, re placed by extremism. Nations 7


### break into tribes, and tribes turn upon each 8



### other. 9



### The most vulnerable bear the brunt of the 10


### conflict. In Baghdad, suicide bombs killed 11


### indiscriminately, turning market places into 12


### slaughter pens. In Kabul, high in the Hindu Kush 13


### Mountains, children froze to death during the 14


### winters in refugee camps. 15


### As costly as Iraq and Afghanistan proved 16


### to be in both blood and treasure, they are a 17



### microcosm of what could be a new normal worldwide 18


### as a result of climate change. 19



### Cl imate change exacerbates every struggle 20


### and challenge to global security and prosperity 21


### from increased frequency and intensity of extreme 22

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### weather events, such as droughts, floods and 1


### storms, to resource scarcities, the impacts of 2


### climate change are already accelerating the risk 3



### of violence and conflict from Africa to the 4



### Middle East to the Pacific Rim. 5


### And while the impacts will be felt 6


### worldwide, it is the poorest, most vulnerable 7


### populations that will disproportionately suffer 8



### the most form the effects of climate change. 9


### Resource scarcity will lead to the 10


### destabilization of already weak governments, 11


### increasing refugee populations and spreading 12



### armed conflict. 13



### Moreover, severe weather events have left 14


### these populations vulnerable to recruitment by 15



### extr emist organizations that are poised to take 16


### advantage of the resulting economic and societal 17



### chaos. 18



### Nature abhors a vacuum, and where civil 19


### society breaks down as a result of unrest caused 20


### by increased poverty and scarcity, fundamentalism 21



### and authorita rianism that poses a clear threat to 22

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### our national security will assume control. 1


### Recent and ongoing crises in places like 2


### Syria, Nigeria and Pakistan illustrate how a 3


### confluence of factors, exacerbated by climate 4


### impacts, has been a catalyst for conflict. If we 5


### as a nation have learned anything over the last 6


### decade, surely it is that events in far

- flung 7


### places have a direct impact on our security at 8


### home. Therefore, climate change isn't just a 9


### risk abroad; it poses a direct threat to our 10



### national securit y. 11


### The impacts of climate change are also 12


### expanding areas of responsibility for our 13


### military. Recently, Secretary of Defense, Chuck 14


### Hagel, stated that the melting of polar ice caps, 15


### a result of climate change, is enhancing 16


### "dangerous potential for confl ict in the Arctic." 17


### In an era of significant fiscal constraints, our 18


### military will be required to respond to these 19


### global challenges by spending precious resources 20


### and placing our men and women in harm's way. 21


### At a speech to the graduating cadets at 22

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### Wes t Point, President Obama called climate change 1


### "a creeping national security crisis that will 2


### help shape your time in uniform as we're called 3



### on to respond to refugee flows, natural 4



### disasters, and conflicts over water and food." 5


### Climate change is not onl y increasing the 6


### risk of conflict, but also the frequency of 7



### climate

- related disasters that will require 8



### humanitarian assistance from the U.S. Whenever 9



### natural disasters occur around the world, nations 10



### look to the United States to react. In 2013, 11



### after T yphoon Haiyan devastated the Philippines, 12


### the U.S, Navy deployed marines and soldiers to 13



### conduct rescue missions and offer assistance 14



### within the first 36 hours. These humanitarian 15


### ventures are important because they uphold 16


### America's image around the world , and they 17


### undeniably detract from primary missions. 18


### Climate change means more of these 19


### natural disasters, but as Secretary of the Navy 20


### Ray Mabus noted, our military already receives a 21


### request for aid or disaster relief every two 22

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### weeks. This burden wi ll only increase if climate 1


### change continues unchecked. 2


### And the impacts aren't just felt abroad, 3


### but also right here at home. Rising sea levels 4



### and extreme weather events threaten critical 5


### infrastructure and reduce the operational 6


### capability of our mili tary's installations. 7


### Rising numbers of weather events are reducing 8


### training needs and impacting mission readiness. 9


### Thank you for your time. 10



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you so much. We 11


### appreciate it. 12


### And just a reminder for the panelists, if 13



### you want to, l eave your remarks with the 14


### registration desk. Thank you so much. 15


### So our next panelist is David Berry. 16


### MR. BERRY: Good morning. My name is 17



### David, D

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### I currently run the Sustainable Water 19



### Resources Roundtable, a forum for g overnment 20


### agencies from federal, state and occasionally 21


### local and municipal sector. Major corporations 22

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### appeal to us from time to time, but that’s to 1


### make sure we not up to anything too impactful. 2


### And academia and some people consulting or 3


### working in the world of water. 4


### We have heard in our meetings from major 5


### corporations that their CEO gets the impact of 6


### climate change. A manufacturer of soft drinks, 7



### one of the most known, said we are in the 8


### business of selling water. Climate change is 9


### affecting our ability to get water. It's 10


### destabilizing the areas in which we are 11


### operating, and our public image depends on what 12


### we do in communities to help solve problems. 13



### We've heard from several branches of the 14


### U.S. military, and I'd like to give a nod to him 15



### -- or I think he just left. 16



### We've heard the U.S. Corps of Army 17


### Engineers, the Department of Defense, 18


### specifically the Strategic Initiative for 19


### Research and Development on Environment, that one 20


### of the major threats to the national security of 21



### the United St ates is, indeed, climate change. 22

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### The U.S. Navy is spending a lot of money looking 1



### at what does it need to do its bases, which I 2


### quipped in the meeting, "Aren't Navy bases close 3


### to the sea, generally speaking?" 4


### Having never been in the Navy, I'm not an 5


### expert on this. But storm surge is the immediate 6


### problem. Rising sea level is a long

- term 7


### problem. If you loved your grandchildren, that 8



### one matters. 9


### But more frequent, more violent storms 10


### was predicted by NOAA in the 1990s as one of the 11


### key indica tors of the impact of climate change. 12


### So this is happening. 13


### I am very grateful that EPA is doing 14


### this. In the unfolding process of implementation 15


### and manifestation, I hope you already are, and 16


### I'd invite you to continue, reaching out to other 17



### governm ent agencies, like DoD, like NOAA, like 18


### the Department of Interior, other experts who 19


### also have their relationships and constituencies 20


### to improve the odds of implementing this. 21


### It's stunning to me that after all of 22

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### these years, this is still considered sometimes 1


### to be a partisan issue. Fifteen to 20 years ago, 2


### I was in the government. I had meetings with 3


### scientists. I served on a couple of the 4


### committees of our Academy of Science and key 5


### people form the Russian Academy of Science. 6


### Fifteen to 20 yea rs ago the Russians thought that 7


### climate change might be good for Russia. 8


### And I said, You don't have any low

- lying 9



### sea coasts? Not so many. 10


### After many fires, many floods, many 11


### droughts, destabilization of their food supply, 12


### from their point of vie w, the main issue is the 13


### unpredictability and instability of climate 14


### change. And it isn't just getting warmer. It's 15


### getting more chaotic, which makes business 16


### decisions hard, agricultural decisions hard, 17


### government budgeting issues hard, and it's 18


### potenti ally more harmful to human populations and 19


### our environment than just a gradual change. We 20


### don't know what happens next or what impact. 21



### Personally

-- and I came here not because 22

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### of any professional association, but I care about 1



### this a lot. I left U.S. G overnment service in 2



### August of 2001. And three days later, I flew to 3



### the Arctic, and I walked on the Greenland Ice 4


### Cap. I walked in the Canadian Northern

– the 5


### very northern Ireland islands, farther north than 6


### north shore of Alaska, in the company of 7



### sci entists, geologists and lots of interested 8



### people. 9


### Eight weeks later, I went to Antarctica 10


### and, again, there was a Russian scientist on the 11


### ship, and an American scientist on the ship. 12


### And I saw it with my own eyes, before and after, 13


### the glaciers and patterns of the ecosystem. 14



### I have a house on the Chesapeake Bay, and 15


### I would like to hand it off to my descendants. 16


### It's our summer home. This affects me personally 17


### through my network of friends in my own world and 18


### in the developing world. 19



### I want to conclude by thanking you for 20


### your patience, each of you, and our Board to come 21


### here and listen to testimony after testimony. I 22

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### encourage you to be as effective as an 1


### organization as you can. 2



### I was at the Kennedy Center a couple of 3



### weeks ago when I h eard Dennis Miller say, "I 4


### don't believe in climate change," and he made 5


### some sort of funny, little sarcastic humor about 6



### how clean the sheets are, even in the hotel. 7



### And I felt the poor man doesn't know, and he's on 8


### record trashing something that our own military 9


### says is a threat to our national security. 10



### So part of what we all need to do, those 11


### that are testifying and government agencies, is 12


### giving the people that are making public 13



### declarations that this is not real a little room 14


### not to be totally paint ed into the corner. 15



### That's a matter of finesse. 16


### But I think it's possible because this is 17


### a threat to all of us regardless of political 18


### strife or what generation we're in, and we have a 19


### responsibility to be skillful in making these 20



### changes. 21



### Thank you for what you do. 22

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### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 1


### So our next speaker is Ron Edelstein. 2



### MR. EDELSTEIN: Thank you very much. I 3


### appreciate being able to present my views. 4



### MS. CRAIG: Could you please spell your 5



### name for the court reporter. 6



### MR . EDELSTEIN: Sure. E

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### first name Ron. I'm the Director of Regulatory 8


### and Government Relations with the Gas Technology 9


### Institute. We're the R&D arm for the natural gas 10


### industry and gas consumers. 11


### So we're very excited about 111(d), and 12


### I'm here to urge two things for EPA to consider. 13


### One is in the bucket that represents 14


### energy efficiency. We think it's very, very 15


### critical to allow the substitution of natural gas 16


### for direct use, in particular with respect to 17



### electric resistance water heating. Every 18


### electric resistance water heater you take out 19


### gives you 3000 kilowatt hours of savings. 20


### Electric resistance water heaters are 27 percent 21


### efficient in full fuel cycle. In essence, 22

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### electric resistant water heaters can be 1


### 90 percent efficie nt for a full fuel cycle, plus, 2


### you know, a 92 percent efficiency of transmission 3


### and distribution of the gas. So you are talking 4


### about 80 percent overall efficiency, so a major 5


### savings there. 6



### And of course, electric resistance 7


### heating, extremely low efficiency. Again, 27 to 8


### 30 percent full fuel cycle efficiency, a 9


### tremendous savings for those that areas that have 10


### electric resistance heating. 11


### So we urge the inclusion of fuel 12


### substitution at the end use to displace electric 13


### energy, especially in spac e and water heating, 14


### and, of course, if there is anything left, the 15



### waters. 16


### The second point, combined heat and power 17


### to distribute generation. We think this is a 18


### very, very important option. And we would urge 19


### the inclusion of these to displace kilowat t hours 20


### from major power plants. We think this is 21


### important. It also helps resiliency of the 22

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### agents. 1



### And so we think that both of these 2


### options combined with power to distribute and 3


### generation and then fuel substitution, if you 4


### will, at the engine si te are very, very critical 5


### to help the states meet their CO2 reduction and 6


### kilowatt hour reduction goals. 7


### Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 8


### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. We appreciate it. 9


### So our next two speakers are Jim Griffin 10



### and Meredyth Gottsch all. 11



### MR. GRIFFIN: James Griffin, J

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### Good morning. I am the president, 14


### business manager and financial secretary of the 15



### International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 16


### Local Union 1900 here in Washington, D.C. 17



### MS. CRAIG: I'm s orry. I didn't hear 18


### what you said right before that. 19


### MR. GRIFFIN: I am the president, 20


### business manager, financial secretary of the 21



### International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, 22

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### Local Union 1900 here in Washington, D.C. 1


### On behalf of the, approximat ely, 1,500 2


### members of Local 1900, I thank you for this 3


### opportunity to testify regarding the EPA's Clean 4



### Power Plan. 5


### Local 1900 is a utility local union that 6



### represents 330 employees at three NRG Energy 7



### coal

- fired plants in Maryland. The Dickerson 8



### plant is in upper northwest Montgomery County, 9



### the Chalk Point Plant is in Southern Prince 10


### George's County, and the Morgantown Plant is in 11



### Charles County near the

-- actually, at the 12



### Maryland

- Virginia line on Route 301. These 13


### employees live in Maryland, D.C., V irginia and 14


### Pennsylvania. Local 1900 also represents two 15


### other companies, PEPCO here in D.C. and Maryland, 16


### and a Washington Gas office in Frederick, 17



### Maryland. 18


### I'm here today to urge you to consider 19


### the economic, social and reliability impact that 20



### would result from our three generating plants 21


### shutting their doors. 22

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### Our 330 members at those three plants are 1


### currently paid between $20 million and $22 2


### million annually in straight

- time wages. These 3


### jobs are well

- paid with very good benefits. They 4



### have a de fined pension, contribute to 401(k) 5


### accounts and have a robust health insurance plan. 6


### The loss of these jobs would have a 7


### devastating impact on the communities in which 8



### these plants are located, as well as the 9



### hometowns of these employees. There would b e a 10



### loss of tax revenue to the federal and state 11



### governments. Sales tax dollars would be lost. 12



### Some would be forced to seek government help to 13



### even feed their families. 14


### Their job skills could not easily be 15


### transferred to other occupations. Running and 16


### maintaining a power plant is very specialized, as 17



### I am sure you know. 18



### In the recent past, Local 1900 has 19


### experienced the loss of jobs at generating 20


### plants. The former Potomac River Plant in 21


### Alexandria, Virginia, employed 80 Local 1900 22

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### members until it closed in 2012. 1



### I received calls and emails from these 2


### employees as they faced the loss of jobs that 3


### they faithfully held for 20, 25, 30 years and 4


### longer. The desperation in their voices was 5


### heartbreaking. 6


### Last year, NRG Energy laid off 55 more of 7



### our members at those three Maryland plants and, 8


### while this was eventually achieved through a 9



### voluntary severance, there were many younger 10


### employees just starting out in life with young 11


### families who experienced a lot of anxiety over 12


### their job security until th e voluntary severance 13



### was eventually completed. 14



### These real

- life job losses are not 15


### limited to union positions in the plants. 16


### Management employees, contractors and suppliers 17


### will all lose. More jobs will be lost in the 18


### railroad, mining, electrical and s ervice 19



### industries. 20


### Not only will this rule devastate the 21


### communities that depend on power plant jobs, it 22

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### threatens the reliability of the electrical grid, 1


### meaning higher electrical bills for consumers and 2


### businesses across the country and increased 3



### black outs and brownouts. 4


### Now, during this past winter's polar 5


### vortex, the plants Local 1900 represents in 6


### Maryland were running full till. I know I was 7


### very appreciative to come home from work each 8


### evening to a warm home, and I suspect you would 9



### also. 10



### Than k you for this opportunity to 11


### testify. I know that my international union is 12


### ready to work with you toward a climate change 13


### solution that keeps the best interest of 14



### consumers, workers and the environment in mind. 15


### Unfortunately, the Clean Power Plan is no t that 16



### solution. 17


### Thank you, again. 18



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you so much. 19



### Meredith Gottschall. 20


### MS. GOTTSCHALL: Hi. I'm speaking on 21


### behalf of Jay Chancellor, who is a sportsman from 22

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### Virginia. 1



### MS. CRAIG: Yes. And could you spell 2



### your name for the cour t reporter, please. 3



### MS. GOTTSCHALL: Sure. It's 4



### M

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### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 7



### MS. GOTTSCHALL: Thank you for the 8


### opportunity to submit formal testimony regarding 9



### EPA's proposed Clean Powe r Plan. My name is Jay 10



### Chancellor and I live, hunt and fish in 11


### Virginia's New River Valley. 12



### I'm extremely pleased to see the 13


### Administration taking action on one of the 14


### greatest threats facing our society today, and I 15



### applaud the EPA's efforts to reduce carbon 16


### emissions from power plants. 17


### The Clean Power Plan is a major step in 18


### the right direction toward protecting fish, 19


### wildlife, habitat and people from the devastating 20


### impacts of climate change. 21


### Working as a hunting guide out west after 22

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### college, I sa w these impacts first

- hand: poor 1



### habitat, fewer moose and elk and fewer clients 2


### willing to pay for hunts with a much lower 3



### success rate. 4


### Back home in Virginia, some reports have 5



### estimated that we could lose as much as 90 6


### percent of our native trout popul ation in this 7


### century. Even abundant species like turkey and 8


### whitetail could be impacted as climate shifts 9


### expose them to invasive species and increased 10



### disease. 11


### Changing climate and habitat are bad for 12


### wildlife and bad for sportsmen, but they are also 13


### a threat to local economies. Everyone from the 14


### local guide or outfitter to the hotels and 15



### restaurants that cater to out

- of

- town visitors 16



### are affected. 17


### Here in Virginia outdoor recreation 18


### generates $13.6 billion in consumer spending and 19


### directly supports 138,000 jobs. Most of the 20


### hunting and fishing guides I know support efforts 21


### to reduce carbon pollution because, at the very 22

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### least, they understand that climate change is bad 1



### for business. 2


### Reducing carbon emissions from fossil 3


### fuels is undeniably import ant. As our nation 4


### continues to grow and prosper, industrial 5


### development and energy consumption will 6


### necessarily increase. That is why, looking 7



### forward, it is critical to ensure that America's 8


### energy demands are increasingly met by cleaner 9



### renewable sour ces like wind and solar. 10


### In finalizing your plan, I urge you to 11


### achieve the greatest possible reductions by 12


### requiring the use of these technologies which are 13



### less harmful to human health, wildlife and 14



### habitat. 15


### I learned to hunt and fish on my 16



### grandfath er's farm in rural Illinois. When I 17


### have children and grandchildren of my own, I hope 18


### I will be able to provide them with the same 19


### wonderful outdoor opportunity as I had growing 20



### up. 21



### In 25 or 50 years, I hope to see cold 22

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### water streams filled with brook t rout, lakes and 1


### rivers teaming with small

- mouth bass and skies 2



### darkened by abundant ducks and geese. 3



### I will close with the words of President 4



### Theodore Roosevelt: "To waste, to destroy our 5



### natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land 6


### instead of using i t so as to increase its 7


### usefulness will result in undermining the days of 8


### our children, the very prosperity which we ought 9


### to, by right, hand down to them." 10


### Thank you for the opportunity to express 11


### my views today. I hope you will keep these words 12



### in min d as you finalize the Clean Power Plan. 13



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you very much. 14


### So our next panel is Walter Tsou and 15


### Cindy Parker, and the panel after that will be 16


### Anna Aurilio and Victor Goldberg. 17


### And I apologize profusely for massacring 18



### people's names. 19



### So you can start however you want. Just 20



### make sure that you spell your name for the court 21



### reporter. 22

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### MR. TSOU: Thank you. My name is Walter 1



### Tsou, T

- S

- O

- U. 2


### I chair the board of Philadelphia 3


### Physicians for Social Responsibility and have 4



### served in the past as Health Commissioner of 5


### Philadelphia. 6


### I applaud the EPA for forwarding your 7


### Clean Power Plan that sets achievable goals for 8


### states in order to reduce carbon pollution 9


### nationwide. We are also likely to have 10


### additional benefits of reducing sulphu r dioxide, 11



### mercury, PM 2.5, ground

- level ozone and nitrogen 12



### oxide. 13



### The National Climate Assessment leaves no 14


### doubt that the burning of fossil fuels has 15


### produced carbon pollution that has made climate 16


### change and global warming a public health threat 17



### of ep ic proportions. As a public health 18


### physician, I have witnessed permanent 19


### environmental destruction from fracking, extreme 20


### weather changes forcing serious displacement of 21


### people and property across the world, island 22

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### countries at risk of being submerged as sea 1


### levels rise, asthma as the leading medical reason 2



### for school truancy, heat

- related deaths after 3


### prolonged heatwaves, fish contaminated by 4


### mercury, and tropical diseases previously unseen 5


### in temperate climates. And these are only within 6


### my personal lim ited lifespan which is a mere 7


### speck of Earth's lifespan. In short, we are 8


### seeing seismic changes unraveling before our very 9



### eyes. 10



### As stewards of our planet and as 11


### responsible parents to our children, we cannot 12



### sit on our hands while we know that we are facing 13


### a global crisis of immense proportions. 14


### These proposed regulations are important, but are 15


### the bare minimal steps that need to be taken. 16



### Indeed, I would argue that these measures do not 17



### go far enough. 18


### In crafting these regulations, we 19


### recognize that how states achieve these goals 20


### will vary, but we also know that these 21



### restrictions will force renewed attention to 22

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### renewable energy sources. It is the latter goal 1


### of moving us toward renewable sources that could 2


### transform how we prepare America for o ur energy 3


### needs for future generations. 4



### Electric cars will transform how we 5



### consume fossil fuels. Future homes will have 6



### geothermal wells, energy

- efficient windows and 7


### appliances, and solar panel roof shingles, and I 8


### should add more great jobs to crea te those. And 9


### more of us will be vegetarians. 10


### Opponents of these regulations will argue 11


### that the cost of energy will go up and that we 12


### are decades away from the utopian dream of 13



### renewable energy. 14



### In terms of cost, consider the economic 15



### cost of the d rought in California, the rebuilding 16



### of New Orleans, New York and New Jersey after 17



### their hurricanes, the bleak future for our 18


### children on a planet that is two degrees warmer. 19


### And in terms of the, quote, "pie in the 20


### sky," renewable energy, well, I think we are up 21


### to the challenge. America does best when we have 22

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### our eyes on a goal and we use our creativity to 1



### achieve it. 2


### The technology exists today. I repeat 3


### the technology to do this exists today. These 4


### rules will start moving us in the right 5



### direc tion. 6



### Thank you. 7



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 8


### MS. PARKER: Hi, I'm Cindy Parker, 9



### C

- I

- N

- D

- Y, P

- A

- R

- K

- E

- R. 10


### I'm on the faculty at the Johns Hopkins 11


### Bloomberg School of Public Health. I'm a 12


### physician. 13



### I took the train down from Baltimore 14



### today actual ly not to quote more facts and 15


### figures to you because you already know those. I 16


### came because I know you're getting a lot of push

17


### back from those who benefit financially from the 18



### status quo. And I want to make sure that you 19



### know that there's also a lot of support out there 20



### for this rule. 21


### It's a great starting point. I would 22

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### love to see it stronger. I definitely don't want 1



### to see it weaker. 2



### When we talk about the numbers of people, 3



### lives saved and, like, 150,000 asthma attacks 4


### avoided every year

-- th at's from the EPA 5



### documents

-- sometimes I think we forget that 6


### there are actually individuals behind those 7



### numbers. 8


### And I don't know if you've actually 9


### witnessed or sat with someone having an asthma 10



### attack

-- and as a physician, I have experience 11



### that w ay too much. It's remarkable. It sticks 12


### with you because people are working. That person 13


### having an asthma attack is working and struggling 14


### to get that air into those squeezed

- up airways, 15


### and then they have to work just as hard to get 16



### that air back out a gain to make more room for the 17


### next breath and trying to get that in. And it's 18


### terrifying to not be able to breathe. 19


### And you can see that in their eyes, that 20


### they're terrified. And you wait for the medicine 21


### to work, and you hope that it will work and it 22

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### just doesn't work fast enough. 1



### And so when we talk about 150,000 asthma 2


### attacks avoided every year, just keep in mind 3



### that, you know, that's huge. That's really 4


### significant. That's 150,000 of those terrifying 5


### attacks that aren't going to happen, an d that 6


### might be your own child or your own family member 7


### who is not having that asthma attack. 8


### The 6,600 lives that would be prevented 9


### from being lost every year as a result of this 10


### plan, that's 6,600 children, parents, 11


### grandparents, colleagues, friends that we won't 12


### have to lose every year. So I just wanted to 13


### just sort of remind everybody that there is real 14


### people behind those numbers. 15


### We have data to show that the public 16


### actually supports this kind of action. Survey 17



### data from the State of Maryland that was 18


### conducted by the George Mason University Climate 19


### Change Communication Center in conjunction with 20


### the State Department of Health and Mental Hygiene 21


### of Maryland actually shows that there is a 22

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### majority of Marylanders who are concerned about 1



### climate c hange and how it is already impacting 2


### their health and how that will get worse. 3


### They're concerned about fossil fuel energy 4


### affecting their health. 5


### They actually want their government 6



### officials and their state authorities to take the 7


### actions necessary to prevent the climate change 8


### from getting worse and to clean up the air. And 9


### that's actually the majority of Marylanders 10


### surveyed, depending on sort of which questions, 11



### up to 85 percent of Marylanders surveyed are 12


### supportive of this type of action. 13



### W e do need to make sure that the poor are 14


### protected from their bills getting so high that 15



### they can't pay them or that they have to forego 16


### something else important to pay them. 17



### And we know that, actually, that can be done. 18


### But we definitely need to keep tho se in mind. 19


### We also need to keep in mind the loss of the 20


### dirty energy jobs and make sure that there are 21


### policies in place to transition those people into 22

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### clean jobs because what affects our economy and 1


### loss of jobs also affects our health. 2


### But despite the push

- back that you'll get 3



### from some, I want to support you and want to make 4



### sure that you know that there are a lot of people 5


### out there supporting you and wanting this plan to 6


### go into effect and wanting it to get stronger and 7


### definitely not weaker, and then wanting it to get 8


### built upon. 9


### So thank you for the opportunity. 10



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both. 11


### So our next panel is Anna Aurilio and 12


### Victor Goldberg. And then the panel after that, 13


### so you all are prepared, is Terry Williams and 14



### Mya Jefferson. 15



### M R. GOLDBERG: Victor Goldberg, G

- O

- L

- D, 16


### like gold, B

- E

- R

- G, Goldberg. 17



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 18


### MR. GOLDBERG: We have been listening to 19



### all of these problems that coal produces. And 20


### the argument usually is made that coal is cheap. 21



### The reason that is it cheap is because the states 22

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### are not yet reducing the compounds or the users 1


### of the compounds, especially those that are 2



### affected the problems that coal produces. 3



### So I suggest there should be a legal 4



### arrangement so that those that actually create 5



### all of t hese health problems pay directly for 6



### those problems that are produced and pay for the 7


### expenses that are related for their use of coal. 8



### Thank you. 9


### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. We appreciate 10



### that. 11


### MS. AURILIO: Good morning. My name is 12



### Anna A

- N

- N

- A, A

- U

- R

- I

- L

- I

- O. 13


### I run the Washington, D.C., Office for 14



### Environment America. We're a federation, 29 15



### state

- based environmental advocacy organizations 16


### active across the country. 17


### I wanted to say three things today. 18



### First, is to talk a little bit about Environm ent 19



### America's work on this issue which is the number 20


### one environmental threat facing the country and 21


### world; second, is to talk about my own personal 22

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### experience with global warming; and third is to 1



### talk about the solutions that we know that we 2



### have at our f ingertips. 3



### First and foremost, Environment America 4



### wholeheartedly supports EPA's Clean Power Plan. 5


### We think this has been a long time coming and, if 6


### we do it right, it will be the largest single 7



### step that any country has ever taken to cut 8


### carbon polluti on. And you don't need to look at 9


### the headlines every single day to know that we 10



### cannot wait another minute to take this action. 11


### The second thing is Environment America 12


### has been organizing around the country for years 13


### to tackle global warming and pollut ion. We've 14


### been working at the state level and the federal 15


### level to build the public support for limiting 16


### carbon pollution, power plant pollution and 17


### eliminating pollution from cars, as well. 18


### Our vision is that, ultimately, we re

19


### power the country with a hundred percent clean 20



### energy and then people can travel from home to 21



### their school or their business either with 22

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### alternative transportation, biking and walking, 1


### or with cars that are so clean they emit no 2


### pollution and they're powered by renewable energy 3


### generated by their homes. Our vision is that we 4


### have homes and buildings and schools that are so 5


### energy efficient that the only energy you need is 6


### generated right there on site. 7


### It's in the future, but we've been making 8


### great progress. We have five sta tes that are 9


### represented here in D.C. today at these hearings, 10


### so we have representatives from Environment 11


### Maryland, Wisconsin Environment, Environment New 12


### Jersey, Penn Environment, and Environment 13


### Virginia, and our executive director testified 14



### today. We 'll also be participating at the 15


### hearings that are happening in Pittsburgh, Denver 16


### and Atlanta. So we know people support this. 17



### That's our work. 18


### My own personal experience with global 19


### warming is ongoing. I moved here from Boston in 20



### 1993, and I was sho cked by the hot and humid 21


### summers. And the last thing I want as a bike 22

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### commuter is hotter and more humid summers and 1


### more air pollution. As the mom of a nine

- year

2



### old daughter, I also worry greatly about the 3


### future that she's going to inherit. 4



### And th en just this past couple of weeks, 5


### it got even more personal for me. My brother and 6


### his three young children live out in Leavenworth, 7


### Washington. He's a volunteer firefighter, and he 8


### had to be stationed along the roads leading into 9



### his town to make sure that the huge wildfire that 10


### was approaching the town didn't jump over the 11


### river and burn their house. Luckily, they're 12


### okay and he's okay, but it does make a person 13



### worry. 14


### My sister lives in California and they 15


### have to worry about water conservation. M y 11

- 16



### year

- old nephew was very excited that he doesn't 17


### have to shower as frequently, but nobody else is. 18



### So we don't need any more of these 19


### problems. And, obviously, all of the health 20


### impacts that people talked about are real and 21


### unacceptable in the year 2014 where we have the 22

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### technology to do so much better. 1


### So let me spend just a minute or two 2


### talking about the promise of the future and how 3



### far we've come. 4



### We already know that solar power, as 5


### President Obama has said, every four minutes a 6



### home or bu siness goes solar. The price of solar 7


### has gone down dramatically. States that have put 8


### in place incentives like solar panels and 9


### incentives for homeowners are reaping the 10


### benefits both in terms of clean air quality and 11


### lower electricity bills for people who have the 12



### solar panels. 13


### We know that wind energy can power our 14



### homes and our businesses. In fact, we have so 15


### much wind power already installed that we're 16


### powering the equivalent of 15 million homes. 17


### To me, as an engineer by background, it's a 18



### tra vesty that this country doesn't have a single 19


### offshore wind turbine spinning to generate power. 20


### We could power a large part of the cities and the 21


### eastern seaboard if we developed the existing and 22

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### available wind energy. And the Obama 1



### Administration has s tarted making great strides 2



### in that direction. 3


### So in closing, we know we have the 4



### technology. We know we can do better. We urge 5


### EPA to finalize the strongest possible Clean 6


### Power Plan, maximize the clean power and the 7


### Clean Power Plan by assuming more renewables that 8


### perhaps you used originally. 9


### But we wholeheartedly support it, and 10


### we'll be working as hard as we can to push this 11



### over the finish line. 12



### Thank you. 13



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you. 14


### So our next panel is Terry Wiliams and 15



### Mya Jefferson. An d then the last panel before we 16



### have lunch is Nicola Branham. 17



### MS. BASTIAN: Nicola Bastian? 18



### MS. CRAIG: It says B

- R

- A

- N

- H

- A

- M. Is 19



### there someone with that name? 20



### MS. BASTIAN: I'm Nicola Bastian. 21


### MS. CRAIG: Okay. So you will be 22

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### after

-- 1



### M S. BASTIAN: After this one? 2



### MS. CRAIG: Yes. You will be after this 3



### panel. 4


### MR. WILIAMS: Good morning. 5


### Initially, I want to thank President 6


### Obama for his courage and his strident 7


### initiatives to safeguard our nation and our world 8



### from the dang erous implications of climate 9


### disruption. 10



### MS. CRAIG: Excuse me. Could you start 11


### by spelling your name? 12



### MR. WILIAMS: Okay. 13



### MR. CRAIG: Thank you. 14



### MR. WILIAMS: Terry, T

- E

- R

- R

- Y, Wiliams, 15



### W

- I

- L

- I

- A

- M

- S. 16



### MS. CRAIG: Okay, thank you. I'm sorry 17



### to interrupt. 18


### MR. WILIAMS: Again, I want to thank 19


### President Obama for his courage and his strident 20


### initiatives to safeguard our nation and our world 21


### from the dangerous implications of climate 22

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### disruption due to increased carbon emissions. 1



### I also want t o thank the EPA and its 2


### administrators for facilitating these hearings, 3


### giving us all an opportunity to express our 4


### support for President Obama's Climate Action 5



### Plan. And thanks to the Sierra Club for its 6


### intrepid advocacy concern for our precious 7



### environ ment. 8


### Again, my name is Terry Wiliams and I 9


### serve as president of the Eastwick Friends and 10


### Neighbors Coalition. Ours is a unique coalition 11


### of neighbors, environmentalists, educators and 12


### related professionals deeply concerned about our 13


### immediate regional , national and global 14



### environment. 15


### Philadelphia's Eastwick community is a 16


### community of approximately 5,000 residents 17


### located in a 100 year flood plain confluent to 18


### the Schuylkill and Delaware Rivers and the Darby 19



### Creek, all of which are tidal to the Atla ntic 20



### Ocean. 21


### As an urban community, arguably a coastal 22

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### neighborhood, Eastwick dodged a bullet during the 1


### onslaught of Hurricane Sandy. The threat of 2


### Sandy was so immediate to Eastwick that our 3


### mayor, the Honorable Michael Nutter, called for 4



### the complet e evacuation of our beloved 5


### neighborhood. 6


### Ladies and gentlemen, I am not a 7


### scientist; however, it is crystal clear to me 8



### that what occurred in the New Orleans Ninth Ward 9


### and in Eastwick's 40th Ward and what Sandy did to 10


### New Jersey and New York certainly suggests that 11


### our climate is changing. 12



### If we, as stewards of the Earth, have 13


### altered/disrupted our air, water and land, then 14



### we must be strident to take the corrective 15


### measures necessary to repair and to safeguard our 16


### precious environment right now and f or future 17


### generations. 18



### And I would like to have the members of 19


### the Eastwick team stand up. These are young 20


### people that have done incredible work in our 21


### neighborhoods in cleaning and conserving the 22

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### environment with their bare hands in some very 1


### nasty si tuations that even adults would not go 2



### near. God bless you all. 3


### The Eastwick Friends and Neighbors 4


### Coalition supports President Obama's Climate 5


### Action Plan and we urge you to support the plan, 6



### too. 7


### And I'll turn it over to you. 8



### MS. JEFFERSON: My name is Mya Jefferson, 9



### M

- Y

- A, J

- E

- F

- F

- E

- R

- S

- O

- N. I am a student of the 10


### Saul Agricultural School in Philadelphia. 11


### Initially, I want to thank President 12


### Obama for taking action to protect our future. 13


### Reducing carbon emissions through his Climate 14



### Ac tion Plan and his encouraging clean energy 15


### offers a promising direction for the future. 16



### As a young person, I want to have clean 17



### air, clean water and clean lands. I want clean 18


### green jobs and green technological careers to 19


### decrease unemployment while prot ecting the 20



### environment. I want a future that is 21


### sustainable. My generation did not create this 22

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### problem, but with your support, we can be part of 1



### the solution. 2



### Thank you. 3



### MS. CRAIG: Thank you both and thank you 4



### to all of you who volunteered. 5



### And so I think you are our last speaker 6


### before lunch, so please join us. 7



### MS. BASTIAN: N

- I

- C

- O

- L

- A, B

- A

- S

- T

- I

- A

- N. 8



### MS. CRAIG: And you may want to speak 9


### into the microphone so everyone can hear you, but 10


### I heard the spelling. 11


### MS. BASTIAN: All right. I'm u sually too 12


### loud for any public gathering, but I will use the 13



### mic. 14


### Nicola Bastian is my name. I come from 15


### Millville, West Virginia, Jefferson County. 16


### I have a speech prepared. I will hand it 17


### in. I will make it short to give you good people 18


### the gift o f time which is probably just as 19


### precious as the gift of clean air these days. 20


### I have prepared because I have read in 21


### order to understand these people who claim not to 22

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### believe that there is climate change. 1


### I was trying to see what research they 2


### might u se to make their point, which got me to 3


### the point that I said the last argument that they 4



### cannot refute is the acidification of the ocean 5


### that is measurable. That is not as complicated 6


### as the atmosphere with the water, steam, et 7



### cetera, et cetera. 8



### I'm r ealizing there is so much incredible 9


### knowledge in this room, and I also envisioned it 10


### different. I thought there would be all these 11


### negative people telling all these negative 12


### stories, and that is why I had prepared my 13



### argument. 14



### I will leave it at the door. I will not 15


### make it now because you people amaze me in your 16


### caring. I've been sitting there watching you. 17


### You are not letting up listening. And with all 18


### that, what you have done in the past, that, to 19


### me, is unbelievable. I think I almost saw you 20


### cry at some point. 21



### So I only want to add two personal 22

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### experiences. I come originally from Germany. We 1


### have cleaned up our coal industry to the point 2


### that the women can hang out their laundry again 3


### because before it would come in blacker than they 4



### put it out; and number two, I was flying over 5


### Germany again this spring, and it just made 6


### visible what it's doing. Almost every roof has 7


### solar power. Sometimes the barns are huge 8


### covered with solar power. We know we can do it. 9



### Thank you very, very, very m uch. And 10



### thanks for all of these people who came here. 11


### That is why I moved to America. 12



### MS. CRAIG: Well, this concludes the 13


### morning public hearing. 14


### Thank you so much, especially for those 15


### of you who stayed for almost every minute and 16



### everyone who c ame from so far. We truly 17


### appreciate it. 18



### The session will be reconvened at 1:00 19


### with a new panel. 20



### (Luncheon Recess taken to reconvene at 21



### 1:00 p.m.) 22

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### AFTERNOON SESSION 1



### EPA PANEL 2 2


### MR. BARRON: Good afternoon. My name is 3



### Alex Barron, and I'm one of the Chairs of today's 4


### public hearing. So thanks everyone for coming 5


### today. Please come in if you're filtering past 6



### the door. 7


### Joining me on the panel this afternoon are 8


### Erich Eschmann and Chris Sherry. And we're here 9


### today to listen to your comments on two proposed 10


### rules to reduce carbon pollution from power 11



### plants. EPA announced both of these proposed 12



### rules on June 2nd, 2014. 13



### Power Plants are the largest source of 14


### carbon pollution in the U.S., accounting for 15



### roughly one

- third of all domestic green house gas 16



### emissions. 17


### The first rule we'll be talking about 18


### today is EPA's Proposed Clean Power Plan for 19


### Existing Power Plants. This proposal consists of 20


### two main parts: state specific goals to lower 21


### carbon pollution from power plants and guidelines 22

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### to help states develop their plans to meet those 1



### goals. 2


### This proposal gives states flexibility in 3


### determining how to meet their goals. States will 4


### choose what goes into their plans that show how 5


### they will achieve the needed reductions and meet 6


### their go als by 2030. 7


### The second rule is EPA's Proposed Rule to 8



### Address Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Modified 9



### and Reconstructed Power Plants. This rule would 10


### set emissions limits for two groups of power 11


### plants: Those that make physical or operational 12



### changes tha t increase the plant's maximum 13


### achievable hourly rate of emissions and those 14



### that replace components to such an extent that 15



### the new components exceed 50 percent of the 16


### capital cost of an entirely new comparable 17


### facility. 18


### If you would like more details on either of 19



### these proposed rules, there are fact sheets 20


### available near the registration desk. 21


### Today's hearing is one of four public 22

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### hearings across the country this week on the two 1



### proposed rules. And we've had tremendous 2


### interest in each of these hearings , and I'd like 3


### to thank you for taking the time out of your day 4


### to come here and join us and share your comments. 5


### We really appreciate it. 6


### We've had a lot of people signed up to speak 7



### today, and we want to hear from all of them, so 8



### before we get started, I'd like to go through a 9


### few housekeeping items and ground rules that will 10


### help make today's hearing run smoothly. 11


### First, be sure, if you haven't already, that 12


### you've checked in at the registration desk even 13


### if you're not planning to speak today. And if 14


### you are signed up to speak online or by phone but 15



### haven't told us that you're here, please step out 16


### to the registration desk and let the EPA staff 17


### know that you've arrived. 18


### Second, if you're a speaker, you were given a 19


### room letter to which you were check ed in, Room A 20


### or Room B. This is Room B. Are you in the right 21


### room? If not, now is a great time to switch

-- a 22

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### little bit like when you've been told that the 1


### airplane you're on is not going to your intended 2


### destination, so please let us know if you need to 3



### be in the other room. 4


### All right. So, here's how today's hearing 5


### will work: I will be calling up speakers in 6


### pairs. When your name is called, please come to 7



### the table at the front of the room. When I call 8



### on you to speak, please state your name and spell 9


### it for the court reporter. Your comments will be 10



### transcribed and included in the official record 11



### of comments on the proposed rule. 12


### Each speaker will have five minutes to give 13


### comments. We have a light to help you know how 14


### much time you have left t o speak which will be 15


### right over here. When the light turns from green 16


### to yellow, that means you have one minute 17


### remaining. When it turns red, that's a signal to 18


### wrap up your testimony. The light will flash red 19


### and beep when you have spoken for five minu tes, 20


### and then it's time to stop. 21


### When you're finished speaking, please remain 22

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### at the table until the person next to you has 1


### completed his or her testimony. 2


### We are here to listen to you today; however, 3



### a panel member may ask you for

-- ask you 4


### questions t o clarify your comments. I will then 5


### call up the next pair of speakers and so on and 6



### so on throughout the afternoon. 7


### If you've brought a written copy of your 8


### testimony, please give that to the staff at the 9


### registration desk before you leave today. 10



### Final ly, because of the large number of 11


### people who have signed up to speak today and to 12


### be fair to everyone, we're going to have to 13


### strictly enforce the time limit just so that 14


### everyone has an opportunity. 15


### If you have additional comments you would 16



### like to make , you can submit them in writing. I 17


### just want to assure everyone that EPA gives as 18



### much consideration to comments that we receive in 19


### writing as we do to comments that we receive at 20


### public hearings like this one. So if you have 21



### more than the five minutes that you would like to 22

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### say, please submit it in writing; and your 1



### comments will be reviewed. 2


### There's still plenty of time to get written 3



### comments in, and there are comment cards 4


### available at the registration desk. Comments 5


### must be received by October 16t h, 2014. We will 6


### put any written comments submitted today in the 7


### official docket for the proposed rule. 8


### Instructions for submitting written comments 9


### in other ways are available at materials near the 10


### registration desk. 11


### We're scheduled to go until 8 p.m. tonight. 12


### We'll take a dinner break so everyone can get 13


### something to eat. Right now the lunch break has 14



### concluded and the dinner break is scheduled for 15


### 5:00 o'clock. In addition we may take occasional 16



### short breaks throughout the day as needed. We'll 17



### kee p you posted as the day goes on. 18


### If you have any questions during the day, 19


### please see the staff at the registration desk, 20


### and someone will try to help you. That will help 21


### us to keep the momentum going here in the room. 22

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### Finally, I want to ask each of you to please 1



### be respectful to everyone who speaks today. We 2


### have people with a wide variety of views in the 3


### audience, and we want to hear from all of you. 4



### So

-- so we can do that and to be fair, we ask 5


### that everyone listen quietly. Even applause can 6



### slow things down, and we want to hear from 7


### everyone who has signed up to speak. 8


### So thanks again for taking time today to 9



### share your comments on the proposed rules, and I 10


### think we'll get under way. 11


### So the first two speakers are Frank Sturges 12


### and Ralph Grove, i f you could please take a seat 13


### up there. And just by way of heads up, the next 14



### two names are Michelle Freeman and Colin Reese. 15


### So I think we'll start with Frank Sturges. 16


### MR. STURGES: My name is Frank Sturges, 17



### spelled F

- R

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- K, last name S

- T

- U

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- G

- E

- S. And 18


### today I’m going to be reading testimony on behalf 19



### of Robert D. Brown, R

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### D, last name Brown, B

- R

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### Good day, I am speaking from testimony 22

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### prepared by Robert D. Brown. Dr. Brown holds a 1


### Ph.D. in wildlife Biology and Wil dlife 2


### Management. He recently retired as Dean from the 3



### College of Natural Resources of N.C. State 4


### University, has served as President of The 5


### Wildlife Society, served as Education Chair of 6



### the Boone and Crocket Club, and currently serves 7



### on the Board of Di rectors of the North Carolina 8



### Wildlife Federation. 9



### This month our news media abounds with the 10



### debate over the new rules posted by the 11


### Environmental Protection Agency governing carbon 12


### pollution by existing power plants and the Clean 13



### Power Plan. The admini stration is promoting 14


### these rules as a means of improving air quality 15


### and human health, yet somewhat downplaying the 16


### impact on climate change. Apparently we still 17


### have climate change deniers in both our state and 18


### federal legislatures who will oppose these new 19


### rules. But that accelerated global warming is 20


### happening, and that we humans caused it is 21



### irrefutable. 22

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### We've all read about the impacts of climate 1


### change on sea level rise, warming and 2


### acidification of the ocean, droughts, floods, 3



### wildfires, and more severe and unpredictable 4



### storms. Dr. Brown's daughter

- in

- law likes to 5


### call this Global Weirding. 6


### But wildlife biologists in the field are also 7


### now detailing the current and future impacts on 8



### our wildlife resources. 9



### The North Carolina Wildlife Federat ion and 10


### National Wildlife Federation recently hosted the 11


### Wildlife Habitat and Networking roundtable in 12


### Huntersville, North Carolina. The speakers 13


### pointed out that North Carolina wildlife, from 14


### fresh water fish like trout to migratory birds to 15



### coastal anim als like sea turtles are all under 16


### threat from climate change. One biologist 17



### commented, wildlife in North Carolina and across 18


### the country are suffering from heat waves, 19


### drought, and flooding brought on by heavy 20



### rainfall. And these weather events threaten 21



### wildlife and wildlife habitat as well as our 22

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### sportsman heritage. 1


### NWF has produced a series of booklets on 2


### current and future impact of global warming on 3


### North American birds, fish, and big game animals 4


### which are available at nwf.org. 5



### Much of the focus o f the meeting, however, 6


### was on steps being taken to help wildlife survive 7


### and adapt to increasing temperatures. Erin 8



### McCombs, Natural Resources Scientist and 9



### Associate Director of Southeast Conservation for 10



### American Rivers stated, North Carolina's rivers 11


### and the aquatic species that live in them are 12


### already suffering the impacts of climate change. 13


### That is why the state of North Carolina and 14


### American Rivers are working together to remove 15


### dams where appropriate to improve resilience to 16


### climate change in spe cies like trout and species 17


### like otter. She indicated that removing dams 18


### gives aquatic fish and mammals species more 19


### flexibility in their ability to move to colder 20


### waters when temperatures rise. 21


### Ann Berry Somers, Senior Lecturer, noted that 22

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### -- noted auth or and herpetologist at UNC

- 1



### Greensboro and Member of the North Carolina 2



### Wildlife Resources Commission Non

- game Wildlife 3


### Advisory Committee said, the new State Wildlife 4


### Action Plan is a key step towards protecting our 5


### state's wildlife from climate change. The new 6


### plan covers actions on climate adaptation such as 7


### wildlife corridors and coastal ecosystem 8



### restoration, which the state and conservation 9



### groups can use as a roadmap to protect our 10


### wildlife from climate change. The NC Wildlife 11



### Action Plan is avail able at 12


### ncwildlife.org/plan.aspx. 13


### The fact that these professional wildlife 14


### biologists are seeing detriments to the very 15



### existence of the wildlife and wildlife habitats 16


### is compelling. These projects are expensive and 17


### stop gap efforts to mitigate the impa cts of 18


### climate change. It points to the fact that we 19


### need to begin to cut to the root cause of climate 20


### change which lies in the reduction of greenhouse 21


### gas emissions. These new EPA rules are a major 22

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### step towards action to reduce carbon pollution at 1



### the n ational level. They are not perfect. 2


### And both industry and some conservation 3


### groups are on record as opposing them. Many 4


### industry representatives say the rules will cost 5


### jobs and increase the cost of electricity. 6


### Economic pundits say it is hard for the economic 7



### costs and benefits of the new rules, but there 8


### will be a shift in energy economics and jobs as 9


### the country gradually shifts from a carbon

- based 10


### energy economy towards power by solar and wind 11



### power and other forms of renewable energy. 12


### Biologists in the field report that our 13


### streams are warming, that floods, droughts, 14


### wildfires, and severe storms are reducing 15


### wildlife habitat, that out of control pests like 16


### fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes are impacting our 17



### wild animals and that bark beetles are chewin g 18



### our forests. 19


### In North Carolina global warming threatens 20


### our parks for game animals, our non

- game 21


### endangered species, and our recreational 22

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### industries in our mountains and in the Outer 1



### Banks which in North Carolina, outdoor recreation 2


### generates $19.2 bill ion of consumer spending, 1.3 3


### billion in taxes and supports 192,000 animals. 4


### Dr. Brown and the professional wildlife 5


### community, and the North Carolina Wildlife 6


### Federation support the adoption of the Clean 7


### Power Plan and the associated rules. Thank you. 8



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. And you 9



### mentioned a number of other documents. You 10


### should feel free to submit those with your 11



### written comments. 12


### MR. STURGES: I will leave a written copy 13



### which has a little bit more detailed as well. 14



### MR. BARRON: All r ight. Thank you very much. 15



### MR. STURGES: Thank you. 16


### MR. BARRON: And our next speaker today is 17



### Ralph Grove. 18



### MR. GROVE: R

- A

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- H, G

- R

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- E. I am from 19


### Harrisonburg, Virginia, where I'm a volunteer 20



### with the Sierra Club.. 21


### My family and I strongly suppo rt the proposed 22

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### EPA rules to regulate carbon pollution from power 1


### plants. Global climate change presents a 2


### significant threat to our health, our 3


### communities, our economy, and our future in 4


### general. Sea level rise, droughts, extreme 5



### weather, disease, and disruptions to food supply 6


### are all consequences of climate change and have 7


### the potential to inflict catastrophic damage in 8


### this country and around the world. 9


### If we expect to pass on to future generations 10


### the quality of life that we take for granted, we 11



### mu st also pass on a healthy ecosystem and planet. 12


### So it's imperative that we act now to mitigate 13


### the effects of climate change by reducing 14


### greenhouse gas emissions, including methane and 15



### carbon dioxide from all sources. 16


### Since electrical power generation is the 17


### leading source of greenhouse gas emissions in the 18


### country, it makes sense to start there by 19


### requiring a reduction in carbon emitted from 20



### power plants. 21


### The proposed rules are a step in the right 22

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### direction, but ultimately we have to go even 1



### further if we expect to prevent serious climate 2


### disruption by greatly increasing energy 3


### efficiency and expanding development of renewable 4


### energy sources such as solar and offshore wind. 5


### My friend Bruce and I drove up from the 6



### Shenandoah Valley today. I could tell y ou first 7



### hand that we see the effects of the power plants 8



### and their emissions where we live. Smoke that 9


### rolls in from West Virginia and the Midwest 10



### dirties the air. It kills the trees in the 11



### mountains, and it kills the fish in the streams. 12


### And we experie nce that on a day

- to

- day basis and 13


### have for a long time. 14


### So we appreciate all that the EPA is doing. 15


### We wish you success and we'll do everything we 16



### can to support you. Thank you. 17


### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much for taking 18


### the time to come here today. Thanks to both of 19


### you. And our next two speakers are Michelle 20



### Freeman and Colin Reese. 21


### You can leave any written testimony with the 22

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### registration desk. That's the easiest way to do 1



### it. 2



### So if Michelle Freeman and Colin Reese are 3



### here? And the next two names I have are Jonathan 4



### Arnon and Larry Roussell, so

-- and we have Colin 5



### Reese? 6



### UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Can someone else move 7


### up if someone is not here? 8



### MR. BARRON: I'll

-- I'm just going to try 9


### and keep track of missing people separately, and 10



### then w e'll bring the next folks up just a little 11


### bit sooner as a result of that. Okay? That 12



### should work. Great. 13


### So, Michelle, you can go ahead. 14


### MS. FREEMAN: Good afternoon, my name is 15


### Michelle Freeman, and I am from Philadelphia, 16


### Pennsylvania. 17



### I have th e misfortune of being born with 18



### asthma and eczema. These

-- there is no cure 19


### that we know of for asthma. And there are just 20


### simple, every day disadvantages to having asthma, 21


### and they are coupled with the emissions of 22

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### certain pollutants in the air. 1



### In th e morning I try to turn on the 2



### television somewhere around 5:30 and 6:00 so that 3



### I can hear the weather report. There have been 4



### many days where the weather report, as you know, 5


### says people with respiratory problems should not 6



### come outside. And unfortuna tely, for me, my 7


### background is mortgage lending underwriting. I 8


### underwrite mortgage loans, and I have a real 9


### estate license. I started performing real estate 10


### in 1986. And when I was a little girl, there 11



### were many houses that were fueled by coal. And 12



### th ose emittents would come in through the house, 13



### and they would come out through the vents, and I 14



### would suffer severe asthma attacks, and I would 15


### show up in the emergency room quite often. 16



### As I grew, I understood that there are other 17


### things that create thos e things such as smokers, 18


### people that for some reason just have to smoke 19


### cigarettes, and they typically just smoke them 20


### wherever they can. And we have those issues to 21



### deal with as well. 22

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### I have to take public transportation to and 1



### from work, and sometimes I'll see a bus coming. 2



### And the fumes greet me at the bus stop, and I 3


### have to find some type of way to shield myself 4


### from them. And sometimes it's just quite 5


### impossible to do so. 6


### The ground level ozone, the toxic home smog, 7


### ozone triggers

-- and it trig gers asthma attacks, 8


### and it makes the asthma worse. Then you move 9


### along the street, and you will have your sulfur 10


### dioxide which is a respiratory irritant, and that 11



### is associated in the onset of asthma. Sulfur 12


### dioxide is produced when coal and crude are 13



### b urned together. 14



### Then we have

-- I'm from North Philadelphia. 15


### On holidays people like to come out and they like 16



### to burn

-- they like to cook their food on the 17


### grill. And when people are burning coals in the 18


### grill, and they like to get up and do that earl y 19


### in the morning, I have to make sure my windows 20



### are closed because I'm greeted by those fumes as 21


### they come in the window in the morning. 22

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### And you add to those just particular matter 1


### such as cleaning household products and just dirt 2



### and dust the trees coll ect, and I'd like to sit 3



### under the tree for shade sometimes, and the wind 4



### blows and the pollen and the ragweed and that 5


### kind of thing blows on me. And I can't do that 6



### anymore. 7


### My eczema is triggered by many things. Sun 8


### has something to do with it. The s un, as we 9


### know, is coming closer to the earth, and it burns 10


### some of these emittents that we have put into our 11



### environment. 12


### And then we have the nitrogen oxide which is 13


### a gas emitted from tailpipes and power plants. 14


### And sometimes I actually perform apprai sals in 15


### the Scranton areas. And I remember driving up 16


### through the coal mountain areas and the

-- it was 17


### very difficult to breathe. I thank God for air 18


### conditioning and the ability to close the windows 19


### and get some type of air there. 20



### Because we have many older heaters and they 21



### have not been cleaned out properly, they collect 22

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### during the summer and then we turn them on 1


### without having them being serviced, and then we 2


### just emit all those pollutants in the air again. 3


### So having to deal with just the everyday e nergy 4



### pollutants

-- we add to it when we have our 5


### trucks drive through that have not been properly 6


### serviced, and they drive through our areas, and 7



### our children are restricted to certain areas 8


### simply because we just didn't service our 9


### mechanicals properly. 10


### So it would be very important to millions of 11


### people suffering from asthma

-- and then there is 12


### the ability to develop asthma in the older age. 13


### So on behalf of all asthmatics and people who 14


### have respiratory problems or other

-- 15


### particularly COPD

-- it wou ld be extremely 16


### important for us to try to lower the emittance 17



### into our environment. 18


### Thank you for the opportunity to share that. 19


### MR. BARRON: Thank you for taking the time to 20



### come here today. 21



### And the next two names I have here are 22

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### Jonathan Arnon and La rry Roussell. 1


### I'm going to let the folks at the door know 2



### about the other names. So I have Jonathan Arnon 3


### and Larry Roussell. I'm also still looking for

- 4



### - are you wanting to speak? 5



### MR. ARNON: Jonathan Arnon. 6



### MR. BARRON: Oh, great. Thank you very mu ch. 7


### You can leave hard copies with the folks at the 8


### registration desk. So you can just go ahead and 9


### have a seat. Yes, right there. 10



### MR. ROUSSELL: Thank you very much. 11


### My name is G. I have no written comments. 12


### MR. BARRON: That's quite all right. 13



### MR . ROUSSELL: My comments will be brief. 14



### I'm a former math teacher and solar 15


### installer, and so I was a solar installer simply 16


### because I knew that it was a good idea way back 17



### in the '70's. It's been obvious to me that 18


### there's just way too much pollution fo r many 19



### years, most of my 71 years I've been aware of 20



### this. 21



### And the fact that it's now become a climate 22

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### change issue is just adding fuel to the fire. I 1


### do know that it will take a hundred years to 2


### reverse it if we stop everything now, so we're 3



### stuck whe ther we like it or not. It seems only 4


### the act of an idiot not to change the way we 5



### behave. If the obvious behavior that we have now 6


### is causing so much trouble

-- I don't need list 7


### all of the things that all of us observe. It's 8



### obvious that the climate i s changing. It's 9


### obvious we need to do something, and that's my 10



### statement. 11



### MR. BARRON: Well thank you very much. 12


### MR. ARNON: Hello, my name is Dr. Jonathan 13


### Arnon. I recently retired after a career as a 14


### systems engineer. 15



### MR. BARRON: Could you

-- pard on me. Could 16



### you spell your name for the

-- 17



### MR. ARNON: Sure. J

- O

- N

- A

- T

- H

- A

- N, 18



### A

- R

- N

- O

- N. I recently retired after a career as 19


### a systems engineer for a major defense 20



### contractor. In my student days I worked for two 21


### of the pioneers of climate research, Dr. Suki 22

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### Manabe at NOAA and Dr. Jim Hansen at NASA. 1


### Today these scientists are known for their 2


### warnings of the dangers of climate change. Who 3


### can forget the Bush administration's efforts to 4



### silence Dr. Hansen? But when I worked for them, 5


### they were just starting to develop the 6


### mathematical models and computer simulations of 7



### Earth's atmosphere. In the 1970's, 8


### supercomputers built by IBM and Amdahl became 9


### powerful enough to run these massive simulations 10


### for students like me to program them. Dr. 11



### Manabe's eq uations modeled the atmosphere, the 12



### oceans, and the interactions between them at the 13


### surface. That last part is the most complex. 14


### Dr. Hansen sought to find the unifying principles 15


### that could explain atmospheric phenomena on every 16


### planet, including Earth

. 17



### These scientists didn't start their research 18


### with preconceived notions or a point of view to 19


### advocate. They ran their models and drew 20



### conclusions from the results. I remember one of 21


### Dr. Manabe's experiments. He flattened the 22

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### Himalayan Mountains to ob serve the effect on 1



### monsoons. Don't try that at home. After years 2


### of study, they both concluded that increased 3


### carbon dioxide caused by burning fuels, 4


### deforestation, and destruction of aquatic life 5


### from pollution, would cause harmful changes to 6



### Earth's c limate. 7


### The rules we're discussing today won't solve 8


### these problems, but they are an important step. 9


### And they give our country credibility in 10



### international forums. When we talk to Brazil 11



### about deforestation or China about their 12


### pollution that's reaching our west coast, it 13


### helps to be able to say America's doing its part. 14



### Thank you. 15



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. If you 16


### could please make sure that the registration desk 17



### has a copy of your comments? 18



### MR. ARNON: Thank you. 19


### MR. BARRON: I'm just going to go back and 20



### check in to see if Colin Reese is in the room. 21



### (No response.) 22

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### MR. BARRON: Moving on, the next names are 1


### Joe Cook and Regina Neblott. 2



### MS. NEBLOTT: Good afternoon. 3



### MR. COOK: Good afternoon. 4



### MR. BARRON: Please go ahead. 5



### MR. COOK: Hello, my name is Joe Cook. I'm a 6


### residential homeowner in Norfolk, Virginia, and 7


### let me give you the spelling of my name. It's J

8



### O

- E, C

- O

- O

- K. 9



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 10


### MR. COOK: And I'm Clean Energy Chair for the 11


### Sierra Club's Chesapeake Bay Group. And I've 12


### come today to speak out strongly in favor of the 13


### EPA's Clean Power Plan and urge its adoption with 14



### some amendments that I'll call out later to 15


### benefit the people and the planet. 16



### To that end I advocate that EPA accelerate 17



### the timetable from 2030 t o 2020 for reaching not 18


### just a 30 percent but a 35 to 40 percent 19


### reduction below 2005 carbon pollution levels, 20


### especially since we've already made some 21



### progress, as I understand maybe 15 percent. Half 22

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### of that though has already been met. 1


### This proposal w ill better protect public 2



### health, move the United States toward a cleaner 3


### environment, and fight climate change while 4


### supplying Americans with reliable and affordable 5



### power. 6



### I wanted to speak to you from a personal 7


### perspective as one who lives in a coast al area 8


### already at risk of flooding from sea level rise 9



### and severe weather events. Both of these factors 10


### are linked to climate change and global warming, 11


### largely caused by carbon pollution from existing 12


### dirty fossil fuel burning power plants. 13



### One such c oal fired plant operates just 14


### 12 miles from my home and belches soot and 15


### aerosols of mercury, arsenic, chromium, nickel, 16


### sodium dioxide, and nitrogen oxides, pollution 17


### that adversely affects my health. It contributes 18


### to my suffering from sinusitis and a l upus 19


### compromised immune system. 20


### Carbon pollution from the over 1,100 21


### currently unregulated coal plants like the one 22

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### nearby threatens communities across this nation, 1


### especially high risk coastal cities like Norfolk, 2



### the second most at risk behind New Or leans in 3


### this country. Those plants and the poisonous 4


### toxins spewed from their smokestacks cost 5


### taxpayers billions of dollars each year by 6


### worsening climate disruption, increasing health 7


### care costs, and causing premature deaths, none of 8



### which are factored into the cost per kilowatt 9



### hour for coal plants. 10


### A February 2011 report entitled Mining 11


### Coal, Mounting Costs: The life cycle 12


### consequences of coal was led by associate 13



### director of the Center for Health and the Global 14



### Environment at Harvard Medical Schoo l, Dr. Paul 15


### Epstein. That report found that accounting for 16



### the full costs of coal power would double or 17


### triple its price from 12 cents per kilowatt hour 18


### to 24 to 36 cents per kilowatt hour, which makes 19


### it more costly than wind, solar, or geothermal. 20



### The s tudy released in the Annals of the New York 21


### Academy of Sciences tallied the economic, health 22

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### and environmental costs associated with each 1


### stage in the life cycle of coal

-- extraction, 2


### transportation, processing, and combustion

-- and 3



### estimated those costs borne by the public at 4


### large may go as high as $500 billion per year. 5


### Reducing carbon pollution from power 6


### plants would not only save billions of dollars 7


### each year, it will save lives. In fact, for 8


### every dollar invested under the Plan, we'll see 9



### roughl y seven dollars of return in health 10


### benefits. The plan will spur innovation, 11



### accelerate the clean energy economy, and create 12


### American jobs. Just the build

- out of Virginia's 13


### offshore wind industry could produce over 10,000 14


### good, local, high

- paying jobs. According to the 15


### Department of Energy, the potential offshore wind 16



### resource off the lower 48 states exceeds the 17


### country's entire electricity demand. Developing 18



### all of that area would add tens of thousands more 19


### jobs. 20


### Therefore, I and the Sierra Club urge 21


### adoption of the Clean Power Plan at an 22

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### accelerated pace while strengthening it in three 1


### attainable ways: bigger carbon pollutions as I 2


### mentioned before, from 20 to 35 to 40 percent; 3


### renewables and energy efficiency that can meet 4



### new standards through ren ewable energy and 5


### efficiency, the fastest, cleanest, and most 6


### effective path without increasing our use of 7


### dirty and dangerous energy sources like nuclear 8



### or natural gas. Empower affected workers and 9



### communities

-- let's not forget about them. 10



### Ensure tha t affected communities are engaged 11


### throughout the process and that public resources 12


### are available to help workers and communities as 13


### they make the transition to a clean energy 14



### economy. 15



### Let's move beyond coal to clean energy 16


### while saving lives, money, and Mother Earth. 17



### Thank you. 18



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. And you 19


### mentioned a number of studies in your testimony, 20


### a Harvard Medical School study. So you would be 21


### welcome to submit those for the record if you 22

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### wanted. 1


### MR. COOK: Yeah, to give them outside? 2


### MR. BARRON: At the registration desk. 3


### MR. COOK: I will. Thank you. 4



### MR. BARRON: Please go ahead. 5



### MS. NEBLOTT: Okay. Tuesday, July 29th, 6


### 2014. My name is Regina Neblott, and I am the 7



### mother of three children

-- one son, two 8



### daughters. I am als o a grandmother of four 9


### grandchildren

-- two grandsons and two 10



### granddaughters who keep me very busy. 11



### MR. BARRON: Could I ask you to spell 12


### your name for the record just so we make sure we 13


### get it right? 14



### MS. NEBLOTT: Sure. 15



### MR. BARRON: Go ahead. 16



### M S. NEBLOTT: R

- E

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- I

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- period, N

- E

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### B

- L

- O

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- T. 18



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 19


### MS. NEBLOTT: I was asked by the Sierra 20


### Club to come to speak at the EPA hearing and 21


### climate change rally. True, we do need a plan 22

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### -- a plan for clear air. Where I live in the 1


### Commonwealth of Richmond, Virginia, myself and 2


### other citizens were realizing that there were 3


### planes flying around our apartments and homes 4


### where we live and putting chemicals in our 5


### airspace. So some of us called the airport in 6


### our community a nd was told that the airport did 7


### not keep flight plans for private planes. 8


### It is our opinion that citizens of the 9


### Commonwealth of Richmond, Virginia, that the 10


### airport should keep flight plans of every plane 11



### that flies in the Commonwealth of Richmond, 12



### Vir ginia, airspace or at least someone should. 13


### Since this was reported to the news and airports, 14


### it's still happening but not like before. 15



### Environmental Protection also means 16


### protecting human life. I live in the community 17


### of Richmond, Virginia, where the poor, the 18


### seniors are being abused in senior high rises and 19


### the Richmond homes and apartments every day. And 20


### I, myself, was threatened if I came to 21


### Washington, D.C., today to speak today, they 22

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### would run the van I was riding in off the road; 1



### but I came anyw ay. Thank the Lord. 2



### I have

-- I have been in electric shock. 3


### Electric shocks pushed through my body and 4


### there's the chemical smells coming through my air 5


### conditioning vents and massive heat pushed on me. 6


### Sometimes the air coming through the AC vents w as 7


### so cold and felt as if my body was frozen. When 8


### I reported this to apartment management, nothing 9


### was done. When I reported it to the Mayor's 10


### office and left messages for him asking what was 11


### happening, nothing was done. 12


### These things have

-- these thi ngs I have 13


### listed are taking place all over the City of 14


### Richmond. And for some it's a mighty big 15


### inconvenience while others are living in danger. 16



### Yes, we all need clean air. We also, as 17


### Americans, need to do something to help sustain 18



### the human life, no t just in the Commonwealth of 19


### Richmond, Virginia, or other countries but all 20



### over America. 21


### And I thank you all for listening to me 22

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### today, and I came here, and I don't know what's 1


### going to happen when I go home, but I came here 2


### because I've got grandchild ren. And what I've 3



### been through, I do not want them to have to go 4



### through when they get to be my age. 5



### MR. BARRON: Thank you for thoughts and 6



### for your words today. 7


### We have Ellis James and Marjorie Leach

8


### Parker next. And while they're making their w ay 9


### up, the next two names just so you can get ready 10



### are Clinton Cobb, Trisha Sheehan, and Thomas 11



### Burkett. 12



### MR. JAMES: Good afternoon, gentlemen. My 13



### name is Ellis W. James, E

- L

- L

- I

- S, middle initial 14


### W, the last name Biblically speaking, 15



### J

- A

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- E

- S. 16



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 17


### MR. JAMES: It's interesting. You have 18


### just heard eloquent testimony already in this 19


### hearing. I'm a young fellow who believes in the 20


### KISS theory. I know you know the expression. 21


### The plan, the Clean Power Plan is an 22

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### opportunity th at we must take now. We are way 1


### beyond the time where we could do little tweaks 2


### and ask the power companies to please do their 3


### best to protect our children and our 4


### grandchildren. We are losing children and 5


### grandchildren, not to mention young people like 6


### me, because we are being hammered with the 7


### pollution from the power plants. 8


### Now, I wish my friends who operate those 9


### plants no malice or harm. I know they have a 10


### tradition, and I know they have problems, too; 11



### but please don't tell me that these people c an't 12


### do a better job as outlined by the 376 pages

-- 13


### yes, I went to the library and pulled it up. 14


### The outline given by EPA is an excellent 15


### beginning to try to do more effectively the job 16


### that needs to be done to protect our citizens. I 17



### noted with inte rest that in the plan it discusses 18



### the calculations that the states can make and the 19


### building blocks that were enumerated in that part 20


### of the plan. I would recommend highly to you 21


### those building blocks. They say it all. I don't 22

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### need to repeat it here. 1


### It is, in my opinion, time for us to stop 2


### beating up on EPA and start listening to the 3


### scientific facts that are laid before the public 4



### -- all of the public in the United States, 5


### including the denials of climate change. Those 6


### people need protection, too. 7


### We have the opportunity at this moment to 8


### be able to do something that this country has 9


### been a long time coming to, and that is to more 10


### efficiently, effectively, and honestly evaluate 11


### how we can protect the public health of our 12


### citizens. And I would hig hly recommend that, 13



### too. 14



### For those of you who have not had the 15


### opportunity to read the 376 pages, I commend them 16


### to you. Actually, knowing a little something 17


### about the subject as a proud member of the Sierra 18



### Club, as well as a Norfolk Environmental 19



### Comm issioner from the City of Norfolk, Virginia, 20


### I have some knowledge of what the implications of 21


### this are, and I would urge us to support the plan 22

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### without equivocation. Thank you, gentlemen. 1


### MR. BARRON: Thanks for making it up from 2



### Norfolk. Please go ahe ad and spell your name for 3



### the reporter. Thank you u. 4



### MR. LEACH

- PARKER: Good afternoon. My 5


### name is Marjorie Leach

- Parker, M

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### L

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- A

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### I sit here this afternoon not as a 8


### business owner or someone that represents any 9


### special group. I do volunteer with the Sierra 10


### Club, but I'm sitting here today as an elderly 11


### person, which was mentioned as one of the groups 12


### most affected, as a grandmother, young children. 13



### My grandson was born

-- grandson was born 20 14



### years ago, but oh, wow, my great grandson was 15


### born in January, so he's just coming to this 16



### earth. And I'd like to think that he will have a 17


### chance to grow up in an environment that is free 18


### of all these pollution substances that we have 19


### today and he will be able to walk outside and 20



### breathe. 21



### So I would have told these sci

- fi new 22

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### visionaries that says, oh, this is what the 1


### future is going to look like. The scary thing is 2


### when you look at some of those things and you 3


### think about what's going on in the world today, 4



### and y ou're going, oh, my, it's right around the 5


### corner. The day when people are afraid to go 6


### outside because they can't breathe; they have to 7



### have a mask on to be able to breathe. Oh, they 8



### have to drink bottled water because there's 9


### nothing running out of the fountain and God 10


### forbid you try and go down to the ocean or to a 11


### lake or anything like that and just dip your 12



### hands in the water. 13


### By the way, I do live out in Virginia 14


### Beach. So I think about, you know, my great 15


### grandson not being able to walk on the b eaches 16


### because of the rising water, not being able to 17


### put his feet into the water because of pollution. 18



### I do support, as a grandmother, as an 19



### elderly person, the proposed EPA goals. I would, 20



### however, suggest that we try and move the 21


### timeline up. This i s 2014. Why wait till 2020 22

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### or 2030? Let's start now, and let's push as hard 1


### as we can to get rid of some of these plagues 2


### that are making our environment unlivable. 3


### And yes, we need to make existing coal 4


### plants more efficient. My understanding is that
, 5


### you know, a lot of coal plants didn't have to 6


### worry about the rules that were put into effect 7


### because they were already, you know, in 8


### existence. We need to make them go back right 9


### now and come up to standards right now, not 10 10


### years from now, right now. 11


### Then the same thing with the gas place. 12


### Make them come up to standards right now. Don't 13


### wait and say, well, you've got 5 years; you've 14


### got 10 years. Make them start right now. It's

- 15



### - this didn't happen overnight, and it's not 16


### going to be fixed overn ight. So we need to start 17


### right now making things better. 18


### The other thing, of course, is to 19


### increase the use of renewable energy. Oh, my 20


### gosh, nothing could be more important. I sit and 21


### I say all the time, and I read a lot, and like I 22

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### said, I'm a sci

- fi buff, so I read everything and 1



### -- but I'm looking at the real reality. I'm 2


### looking at countries all over the world, and I'm 3


### looking at their renewable energy, things that 4


### they are doing. I'm looking at other countries 5



### that are so far ahead of us when it comes to 6



### clean energy. And, you know, I'm sort of old, 7



### so, you know, '50s, '60's, you know, I remember 8



### that stuff, when the United States used to be 9


### number one in a lot of these things. Now here we 10



### are, almost at the bottom. And one of the most 11


### import ant things of our lifetime if there is no 12



### environment, then there is no

-- there are no 13


### humans. There is no species. We're old

-- so 14


### this is very important. 15


### So I support what you're doing. I urge 16


### you to push, push, push it forward and let's get 17



### it don e a little quicker. Thank you so very 18



### much. 19


### MR. BARRON: Thank you for taking the 20


### time to come today. 21


### Next up, Trisha Sheehan and Thomas 22

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### Burkett. And I noticed there's a couple of 1


### people standing on the wall. You can feel free 2


### to find a seat if you' d like one. 3


### And then next up will be Susan Bonney and 4



### Tim Whitcomb. 5



### MS. SHEEHAN: I actually have a banner to 6


### present to the EPA along with my testimony. Can 7


### I do that now and not have it cut into my five 8



### minutes? 9



### MR. BARRON: Sure, you can

-- 10



### M S. SHEEHAN: Okay. So, and I

-- can I 11


### have some people join me? 12


### MR. BARRON: Thank you. We can just take 13


### a quick look at it here and then

-- 14


### MS. SHEEHAN: So this is a sign that we 15


### had children from all over the country 16



### -- it's full

-- with their ha ndprints in 17


### recognition of the Clean Power Plan, and we 18


### support the EPA's work that they've done since we 19



### know that they've done a lot of hard work to get 20


### the plan where it is now and this is just to show 21


### our support and to say please consider our 22

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### children 's future when you are finalizing these 1


### rules and to make them as strong as possible. So 2


### we just want to thank you from our

-- the bottom 3



### of our hearts. Thank you. 4



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 5


### MS. SHEEHAN: This is for you guys. 6



### MR. BARRON: I'm not sur e what the 7


### procedures are for docketing banners, but we'll 8


### work it out if you leave it at the registration 9



### desk. Thank you. 10



### We'll scan it somehow. 11



### MS. SHEEHAN: Oh, I'm sorry. 12



### MR. BARRON: And do we have Thomas 13



### Burkett? Thank you. 14



### MR. BURKETT: H ello, I'm Thomas Burkett. 15



### That's T

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### I came here today from Richmond, 17


### Virginia. I'm speaking as the Director of 18


### Virginia River Healers. Virginia River Healers 19


### operates as a citizen directing independently 20


### monitoring soil and wa ter testing facility for 21


### concerned Virginians dealing with soil, water, 22

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### and air toxicity issues. The VRH is producing 1


### public documents and data through specific 2


### testing and analyzing that are not otherwise 3


### available to the public. 4


### At this point the VRH has put out coal 5


### ash analysis reports from various Dominion Power 6


### coal ash ponds and landfills. The documents are 7


### made available online at virginiariverhealers.com 8


### and you can pull it down and make comments. 9


### The VRH also provided these coal ash 10



### samples to inorganic scientists at universities 11


### along Virginia with the hope of fingerprinting 12


### material and by fingerprinting the samples the 13


### toxicity in residents' water wells and watersheds 14


### can possibly trace to Dominion's leeching ponds 15



### and landfills scattere d across the state. 16


### In 2005 the four string of hurricanes 17



### which has devastated Florida and the Caribbean 18


### leaving more than 2,000 Haitians dead and 19



### thousands of humans homeless

-- the usual 20


### response: God, you made your point, you're all 21



### powerful and chan ge is coming. The glory period 22

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### of tolerant environmental enlightenment that bred 1



### a post

- environmental state. Post

2


### environmentalism is a hybrid form of 3


### environmentalism of the rising sell of global 4


### economy and a special mix of business that 5



### rationalized t he future of our environmental 6


### actions meaning more resource extraction and 7



### energy development. 8


### This new environmental enlightenment 9



### with business identified itself as a solution to 10


### climate change. Environmentalism then became a 11


### point of the new econom ic development by the 12


### climate and for economic revenue for potential 13


### business growth and development. Post

14


### environmentalism has continued to ignore the 15


### social injustices involved with climate change 16


### and industrial displacement. Ultimately, the 17


### promise o f national economic growth became the 18


### primary reason the campaign for [inaudible]. 19



### But with

-- this industrialism has 20


### continued to develop because of the laissez

- faire 21


### integrating the structure of the energy industry 22

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### and capitalistic economists for its f oundation. 1



### The constant fluctuation of cultural 2


### intelligibilities and current hold on developing 3


### environmental problems are interacting toward a 4


### state of balance between an idealized global 5



### environmental initiative and the loss of human 6


### dignity. 7



### In ear ly January there were 18,000 8


### gallons of NCHN waste filling the tanks of 9


### Freedom Industries' chemical facility who work 10


### directly into the area, the Delaware River, the 11



### fresh water source of residents and citizens in 12


### Charleston, West Virginia, and the Greate r Basin 13



### was turned into a hazardous mixture of chemicals 14


### testing above the DEP safety standards as 15


### residents continued to live with the polluted 16


### wells and the government that didn't ensure the 17


### proper regulation and oversight to prevent 18



### disaster. 19



### As the c lean

- up continues the Freedom 20



### Industries' tanks continue to show in line with 21


### the town of Charlestown, West Virginia; however, 22

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### at this point the take on a different 1


### psychological implication, but the future of 2


### environmentalism is not just a conversation of 3


### environmental infamy but an industry burdening 4


### population of people that are being subjected and 5


### displaced by industry. 6



### I wanted to open to talk about how 7


### political rationale is a form of post

- environment 8


### where human rights are compromised. 9



### Environment al dispossession is both physical and 10


### psychological abuse of human rights. Being 11


### dispossessed refers to being in a state of 12


### feeling disowned and rejected by powers of 13


### cultural intelligibility. 14


### Through the political framework of this 15



### environmentalism ind ustry has been given the 16


### highest capital power. As cultural 17


### intelligibility is ordered through its industrial 18


### power, industries we will construct a legitimacy 19


### through the use of land and potentially 20


### dispossessed people that live near industrial 21



### property. This act of disposition turns people 22

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### into illegitimate subjects and second

- class 1



### citizens. 2


### Disposition originally refers to the 3


### practice of land encroachment, but the escalation 4


### expanded us and the structure of the world into 5


### something much higher. It now speaks for how 6


### human bodies through power structures originating 7


### from an inherent Virginia property have become 8


### materialized and dematerialized through various 9


### histories of slavery, composition, Apartheid, 10


### capitalist alienation, and now climate change. 11



### Post

- environment

- – post

- environmentalism 12


### has strengthened the current industrial order of 13


### power, the sphere it conducts rather than 14


### instability and to choose industry and displaced 15


### by industrial forces. 16


### The Elk River spill and the rising 17



### coastal leve l of Virginia and toxic residential 18


### levels by Dominion's coal ash plants present 19


### environmental issues that displace large amounts 20


### of people as a result of ongoing deregulated 21


### energy. The lack of regulation and current 22

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### government policy continues to give i ndustries 1


### the power to drastically impair the homeostasis 2


### of the place to the point that citizens are 3


### subjected to a competitive environmental and 4


### economic struggle for survival. 5


### Any qualities attributed to economic 6


### struggle can just as easily be attribu ted to the 7


### inequalities and the climate change. 8


### MR. BARRON: I'm afraid your time is up, 9


### so I'm going to

-- 10


### MR. BURKETT: Can I just close quick? 11


### MR. BARRON: Very quickly. 12


### MR. BURKETT: Thank you. The article 13


### ends with I hope you champion the pot ential goals 14


### of best environment emissions and specifically 15



### ways to clean energy the way the clean energy 16


### bill can direct environmental waste, regulation, 17


### and action towards a local agenda that 18


### acknowledges individuals' rights. Thank you. 19



### MR. BARRON: T hank you very much. You 20


### can remain seated and we'll move on. Thank you 21



### very much. 22

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### And, Trisha Sheehan, and spell any 1



### relevant names for the record, please. 2



### MS. SHEEHAN: Hi, our names are Trisha 3



### Sheehan, T

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- S

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- A, S

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### Logan Sheehan, L

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### My name is Trisha Sheehan. I'm a mother 6


### of two young boys, and my oldest, Logan, is 7


### joining me today. I am also the New Jersey Field 8


### Organizer from Clean Air Force, a force of over 9


### 340,000 parents fighting for clean air. I first 10



### wo uld like to thank you guys for allowing me and 11


### my colleagues to be here today because I believe 12


### our most important stakeholders are our children; 13


### and it's important for moms like me to be able to 14


### share our real concerns over climate change, 15


### carbon pollutio n, and our children's health and 16



### their futures. 17


### I work and live in New Jersey, a state 18


### whose air quality in all but one county received 19


### Fs in the American Lung Association's 2012 State 20


### of the Air Report for the number of high ozone 21


### days indicating that t he air in New Jersey is a 22

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### real health concern. 1



### Over 500,000 adults and 200,000 children 2


### suffer from asthma in my state, according to the 3



### New Jersey Department of Health, but ozone 4


### pollution is only a small part of the health 5


### issues we are facing due to t he unregulated 6


### amounts of carbon pollution that is being 7



### released into our air. Increased carbon dioxide 8


### emissions are causing our climate to grow 9



### unstable. 10


### We are experiencing a kind of high energy 11


### weather in New Jersey and throughout our country. 12



### I am here to tell you that climate change is 13


### real. It is affecting my state, my community, my 14


### children, and I'm going to talk to you about the 15


### way that it's affected my

-- my parents' 16



### business. 17



### My father owns and farms over 5,000 acres 18


### of vegetation in G loucester County, New Jersey. 19



### His father was a farmer, and he's a farmer, and 20


### his children now farm on this family farm. 21


### According to the State of New Jersey 2014 22

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### Hazard Mitigation Plan there are 669 farms in 1



### Gloucester County and 10,000 throughout the 2



### state. There are over 46,000 acres of land of 3


### which 75 percent is used for farming in 4



### Gloucester County alone. 5


### However, climate change is changing the 6


### way that my father is able to run his farm. 7


### Extreme weather events in New Jersey are 8


### happening more frequently and with more intensity 9



### than I can ever recall. From June until 10


### September of 2010 New Jersey experienced a 11


### statewide drought. A total of 16 counties, 12


### including the one where I live and the one where 13


### my father owns his farm, were declared to b e 14


### natural disasters by the USDA because of drought 15



### and heat conditions. 16


### In August of 2011 Hurricane Irene caused 17



### damage to many crops across the state. From June 18



### to November of 2012 we saw numerous extreme 19


### weather events such as drought, high winds, hai l, 20


### excessive heat, excessive rain, flash flooding, 21



### Super Storm Sandy, a snowstorm, a Nor'easter, all 22

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### within five months. 1



### Extreme weather events forced farmers to 2


### modify two things on a daily basis be it blowing 3


### rainwater on their sensitive plants or appl ying 4


### additional pesticides for insects. 5


### I grew up playing in the tomato fields 6


### and eating Jersey tomatoes right from the plant, 7


### juice dripping down my arms, and using my dirty 8


### shirt to wipe my face as family members picked 9



### tomatoes around me to be sold t o the local 10


### market. This is such an emotional and happy 11


### memory for me, and I really wish that my children 12


### would be able to experience this same memory from 13


### my childhood; but unfortunately, my children will 14


### not have the same experience. Because of the 15


### impa ct that climate change is having on my 16


### father's crops it is no longer safe to be in the 17


### fields where this food is grown. Many 18


### communities rely heavily on locally grown produce 19


### for human consumption in New Jersey, but because 20



### of the extreme weather he's having to use more 21


### toxic pesticides and fungicides that I don't want 22

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### my children being anywhere near in the fields. 1



### As a parent

-- or to counter the 2


### offensive and toxic need for pesticides and 3


### fungicides in New Jersey, many farmers are no 4


### longer growing Jersey tomatoes, or blueberries, 5


### or asparagus, or any of the other common fruits 6



### and vegetables that have been grown so 7


### effortlessly in the past in our Garden State. 8


### Farmers are now turning to grape growing 9



### and the wine

- making business as our warmer 10



### clim ate is now more appropriate for wineries and 11


### no longer appropriate for growing tomatoes, but 12


### it doesn't have to be this way. My father 13



### doesn't want to grow grapes. He wants to 14


### continue doing what he knows, growing Jersey 15



### tomatoes and asparagus and more f ruits. And you 16


### can help him do that. 17


### I'm asking that the EPA strengthen the 18



### Clean Power Plan and finalize a rule that reduces 19


### CO2 emissions 40 percent below 2005 levels by 20


### 2020. Please help my children have the same 21



### memories of the farm that I had as a child. And 22

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### Logan just one thing he would like to say. 1



### LOGAN SHEEHAN: Please, please help Mom's 2


### Clean Air Force and bring back clean air. 3



### MS. SHEEHAN: Thank you. 4



### MR. BARRON: Thanks to both of you for 5


### making the trip down here. 6



### Next up we have S usan Bonney and Tim 7


### Whitcomb. And then following them will be 8



### Jonathan Arnon and Bryan Crenshaw. 9



### You are Susan? 10



### MS. BONNEY: Yes. 11



### MR. BARRON: Do we have Tim Whitcomb 12



### here? 13



### (No response.) 14



### MR. BARRON: It doesn't look like it. 15



### Just go ahead when ever you're ready. 16


### MS. BONNEY: Thank you. My name is Susan 17



### Bonney, S

- U

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### County, Virginia, long

- time resident; and I'm a 19


### volunteer with my local Sierra Club group, the 20



### Great Falls Group. 21



### I support EPA's proposed Clean Power Plan 22

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### to cut carbon pollution, build a more resilient 1


### nation, lead the world in our global climate 2


### fight. The national framework it uses to set 3


### achievable state specific goals to cut carbon 4


### pollution per megawatt hour of electricity 5



### generated can w ork for us in Virginia. The plan 6


### empowers Virginia to chart our own customized 7



### path to meet the goals. 8


### I grew up in Virginia Beach, and we know 9


### that carbon pollution exacerbates climate change 10


### and has contributed and is contributing to more 11



### frequent and more violent extreme weather. 12


### Virginia Beach and the entire region, Hampton 13



### Roads, are at risk for sea level rise as a result 14


### of climate change. Sea levels could rise 8 to 11 15


### inches by 2100. 16


### Every year more of our dollars are going 17


### to addressing the i mpact. Rising sea levels 18


### raise the cost of keeping drinking water clean, 19


### and extreme weather hurts businesses that depend 20


### on tourism. Hampton Roads is second only to New 21


### Orleans in its vulnerability to sea level rise 22

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### impacts. 1



### I am here because I stron gly believe 2


### my state and the rest of the U.S. can work within 3



### the Clean Power Plan to curb carbon emissions. 4



### Power plants are the largest source of carbon 5


### dioxide emissions in the U.S., accounting for 6



### one

- third of all domestic greenhouse gas 7



### emissions. 8



### And in the U.S. we limit the amount of 9


### arsenic, and mercury, and soot that power plants 10



### emit but not carbon. So I’m thrilled to see that 11


### limits will be placed on carbon pollution. 12


### In Virginia we have made progress with 13


### biomass, wind, and solar energy. Within the 14


### Clean Power Plan we could move more quickly to a 15


### strong clean energy economy. Neighboring states 16


### around Virginia have installed solar capacity at 17


### rates 10 to 100 times higher, so we have a lot of 18


### catching up to do. 19


### But the plan doesn't just g ive states 20


### more options. It gives entrepreneurs and 21


### investors options, too, unleashing marked forces 22

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### to drive innovation, and investment, and energy 1


### efficiency, cleaner power, and low carbon 2


### technologies. 3


### I strongly support and will continue to 4



### spend ho urs as a volunteer to help the economy 5


### grow through increasing investments in clean 6


### energy sources like solar, wind, and energy 7


### efficiency. Energy efficiency is the most cost 8


### effective way for a utility to meet their own 9


### demand for electricity. Efficienc y programs 10


### create local jobs that cannot be outsourced, that 11


### put money back into customers' and ratepayers' 12


### pockets that can be reinvested. 13



### And I want to see the U.S. refocus our 14


### energy policies to support energy efficiency and 15


### zero emission energy sourc es like solar and wind. 16


### I do not support that carbon regulation 17


### is an opportunity to develop nuclear power due to 18


### its costs, the risks, the shortage of clean 19



### water, and the lack of any long

- term plan for 20



### radioactive waste. 21



### Down the road in 2030 when st ates meet 22

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### their goals under the Clean Power Plan, if 1


### approved it will have resulted in about 30 2


### percent less carbon pollution from the power 3


### sector across the U.S. when compared with 2005 4



### levels. 5


### The longer we delay taking substantial 6



### steps to curb carbo n pollution, the worse the 7


### health and economic impact for climate change 8


### will become. We must act now. I thank you for 9


### the opportunity to speak today. 10



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. And we Have 11


### Jonathan Arnon and Bryan Crenshaw. The next pair 12


### will be Mary L ouise Collench [phonetic]

-- 13


### apologies

-- and Zach Drennen

-- Drennen? 14



### DR. CRENSHAW: Good afternoon. My name 15


### is Dr. Bryan Crenshaw, B

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### W. I am a biomedical scientist at Children's 17


### Hospital in Philadelphia. Today I am testifying 18



### as a scientist, as a medical

-- as a pediatric 19


### professional and as a father. 20


### So, first of all, I'd like to thank you 21


### for putting forward these rules. I understand 22

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### that it takes a great deal of fortitude to do 1


### this in the current political environment. 2


### Having said that, though, I would encourage you 3



### to strengthen the mandatory tone. 4


### Although I'm not a climate scientist, I 5


### do read the primary scientific literature. I 6


### realize that a priori 30 percent carbon reduction 7


### sounds like a significant impact, but the science 8


### tells us that it's not enough. Importantly, this 9


### rule still appears to allow a great deal of 10


### dependence on natural gas. And natural gas is a 11


### bridge field to nowhere, we need to do better. 12


### As a pediatric professional I am dismayed 13


### with pr oblems of asthma in our current 14



### environments. And asthma, of course, is 15


### exacerbated by the types of emissions that occur 16



### from coal fueled power plants. 17


### And particularly in Philadelphia we have 18


### a significant impact of asthma on urban 19


### population which can be as much as one in four 20


### children. And this is much greater than the 21


### overall impact on the citizens of the United 22

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### States as a whole, so

-- you've heard this 1


### earlier from my fellow citizens of Philadelphia. 2



### So, for those that argue about the costs 3



### of t his rule, I would remind them of the 4


### pricelessness of a child's quality of life to 5


### play outside and to grow up without the burden of 6



### this terrible disease. 7



### As a father and as parents we all hope to 8



### leave behind a world that is safer and healthier 9



### than th e earth that we inherited. These power 10


### plant rules that we are discussing today are a 11


### small step in that direction. For this reason I 12



### do support them, nonetheless, I encourage you to 13


### pass more stringent reduction that scientists

-- 14



### that science tells us is necessary. Thank you 15



### very much. 16


### MR. BARRON: Thank you. I'm going to try 17



### one more time for Jonathan Arnon. 18



### (No response.) 19


### MR. BARRON: Then Mary Louise Collench 20



### and Zach Drennen? Please go ahead. 21


### MR. DRENNEN: Good afternoon, my name is 22

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### Zach Drennen, D

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### to speak in support of the EPA's historic action 2


### setting limits on carbon pollution for existing 3



### power plants. 4



### The National Climate Assessment released 5


### this year tells us that the changing climate has 6



### already led to the strongest downpours in 50 7



### years. Downpours that dump more than 70 percent 8



### -- 70 percent more precipitation than they had 9


### half a century ago in the northeastern United 10



### States. 11


### In real terms this means that my family's 12



### house in western New York has flooded three times 13


### in the past four years. On each occasion water 14



### overflowed the normally dry gully next to our 15


### neighbor's house and ran instead through our back 16


### into the basement, leaving caked mud in its wake, 17


### and washing portions of the road into the lake. 18


### And my dad actually told me that last night it 19


### rained 5.5 inches again. 20


### Until recently when this became a nearly 21


### annual phenomenon, it had not happened since 22

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### Hurricane Agnes in 1972. 1


### Climate change is also disrupting winter 2


### sports like skii ng. Most ski mountains across 3



### the United States have been forced to invest in 4


### snow machines to compensate for shorter winters 5



### and lower snowfall. And those that have not, 6


### like Mad River Glen in Vermont have struggled to 7



### compete. 8



### Snow sports are both a way of life and a 9



### central source of income across much of the 10


### northeast, but this spring the New York Times 11


### reported that within three decades as many as 12


### half of the slopes in that region will be forced 13



### to cease revenue with this. 14


### These are ways in which climate change 15


### has touched my life, and they obviously pale in 16


### comparison to the people who lost homes in the 17


### largest fire in the history of Washington State 18



### this summer or those who lost lives and loved 19


### ones in one of the strongest ever typhoons 20


### slamming the Philippines last fall. 21


### These are climate change

- fueled 22

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### catastrophes that require action to treat not 1


### just the symptoms but the underlying disease. 2


### Any solution beyond capping emissions is no more 3



### than a mandate. 4



### The EPA's Clean Power Plan is a cr itical 5


### step on the road to fixing this problem. If the 6


### wealthiest nation on the planet is unable or 7


### unwilling to address the causes of climate 8


### change, then who will? 9



### Coal power plants are the largest source 10


### of carbon pollution in the United States today
, 11


### and they currently have a free license to pollute 12


### our atmosphere. We are near limit levels of 13


### other powerful pollutants like lead, mercury, and 14



### arsenic, and the time has come to do the same for 15


### the pollution levels warming our planet and 16



### exacerbates hea lth conditions as you've heard 17


### today like childhood asthma. 18



### I encourage the EPA to release the 19


### strongest possible final rule, including 20


### increasing its assumptions about the growth rate 21


### of energy efficiency and clean energy 22

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### technologies. Thank you very m uch. 1



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. And my 2


### apologies for not prompting. We have Glen Besa 3



### and Ethan Spaner. 4


### MR. BESA: Good afternoon. My name is 5



### Glen Besa. I'm the Director of Sierra Club, the 6


### Virginia Chapter

-- very pleased to be here today 7



### a nd just want to say that we're very appreciative 8



### of the fact that the EPA has taken this 9


### initiative, and we'd like you to do this and 10



### more. 11



### I would like to share

-- 12


### MR. BARRON: Just as housekeeping, could 13



### I get you to spell your name? 14



### MR. BESA: Sur e. I'd be happy to do 15



### that. 16


### MR. BARRON: My apologies. 17



### MR. BESA: Glen, G

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### Besa, B

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### So, let me cover a few things first on a 20



### personal level. Okay. 21


### A lot of people are being impacted by 22

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### cl imate change in their everyday lives. 1


### Hurricane Irene, the possibility of more frequent 2


### and more severe storms, Hurricane Irene put two 3


### trees on my house. Okay? So I had to deal with 4



### that. 5



### Okay. My mother

- in

- law who lives in 6



### Hampton, the second mos t vulnerable region of the 7


### country relative to sea level rise

-- has 8


### experienced flooding in her house three times in 9


### the last eight years. And when I say flooding 10


### experience, she had

-- she basically

-- her house 11


### was destroyed on the first flood and they had to 12


### rebuild it three times. The next time I suspect 13


### they may not let her stay there. And she's lived 14


### there for over 50 years. Those are the kinds of 15


### impacts that we're experiencing more frequently 16



### as a result of sea level rise. 17


### From the perspectiv e of the Sierra Club, 18


### we would like to see you do more. We would like 19


### to see a reduction of 35 to 40 percent below 2005 20


### levels by 2020. We need to get on with this 21


### work. It's very important. 22

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### We need to push hard for renewable 1


### energies. Living in Virg inia, I'm in a state 2



### that has not done its fair share. We have a 3


### utility that has blocked efforts

-- Dominion 4


### Virginia Power by name, and others as well, have 5



### done their best efforts to block renewable 6


### energies from Virginia. And these rules will 7



### help ch ange that. 8


### We also need to recognize that these 9


### changes will impact some people 10


### disproportionately. We have coal fields

-- a 11


### coal field in Virginia, and we need to do things 12


### to address the equity situations here as this 13


### country moves away from fossil fu els like coal. 14


### And we realize it's happening because of gas as 15


### well, but there certainly is a need to recognize 16


### that with the transition to a clean energy 17


### economy there will be some economic dislocation 18


### and it's important to recognize that. 19



### The last thin g I'll share with you is 20



### -- is that the State of Virginia right now is

-- 21


### has had a series of listening sessions to take 22

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### testimony from Virginians relative to what they 1


### should be saying about these rules. And I'll let 2


### you know first off that the Sierra C lub will be 3


### pressing the state bar to actively support these 4



### rules and to push you to go even further. 5


### But as a result of those three hearings, 6


### one in Wytheville, Virginia, in southwestern 7


### Virginia, one in Arlington, Virginia, and one in 8


### Virginia Beach, so far 69 people have testified 9


### in favor of these rules and more; and only 10 10


### have spoken in opposition. 11


### With that I'll conclude my testimony and 12


### thank you so much for providing us with this 13


### opportunity. 14



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. And 15



### feel free to give a copy of your testimony at the 16


### registration desk. 17



### Please go ahead. 18



### MR. SPANER: I am Ethan Spaner, 19



### E

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### Specialist on international issues at the 21


### National Wildlife Federation, but I also speak on 22

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### be half of myself here today. 1



### And we've heard a lot about the effects 2


### of climate change, but I'm going to go ahead and 3



### talk about the process of some of these rules, so 4



### sorry about the boredom. 5


### I would specifically like to take this 6


### opportunity to describ e how the EPA's Clean Power 7


### Plan can support another role within the 8



### President's Climate Action Plan

-- that being on 9


### the very last page of the plan. It's entitled 10


### Leading Efforts to Address Climate Change Through 11


### International Negotiations. And climate change 12


### is a global problem with global solutions, which 13


### is why the U.S. works together with other 14


### governments to find solutions through 15


### international negotiations. And the United 16


### States has long been regarded as the villain, if 17


### not public enemy number one in these 18


### international climate change negotiations, 19


### especially the multinational negotiations held on 20


### the highest scale at the United Nations Framework 21


### Convention on Climate Change. 22

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### I'm happy to report that the scrutiny of 1



### the U.S. efforts has begun to wane. And when 2


### asked, most global climate change professionals 3


### attribute the U.S.'s improving reputation 4


### directly to the President's Climate Action Plan, 5


### particularly its commitment to stricter carbon 6


### pollution standards for both new and existing 7



### sources. 8


### The tune is changing as governments such 9


### as Canada and Australia ramp up their climate 10


### denial rhetoric. The plan citizens have once 11


### again turned to America for hope and for action. 12


### I may be the first one to say this, but we are no 13



### longer the bad guys, but we're not yet the good 14


### guys either. The final section of the plan is 15


### not entitled Improve Our International Reputation 16


### Within International Negotiations, but it's 17


### specifically tasked the administration to take 18



### the lead. 19



### How do we do this? Do we se nd our 20


### savviest statesmen? Do we invest in clean power 21


### abroad? That's not how it's set up. It all 22

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### starts at home, and it's simply not possible to 1


### lead internationally in these negotiations unless 2


### we can have ambitious action on carbon pollution 3



### here at home. 4


### EPA's Clean Power Plan is the first step 5


### of this process. Strong action by the United 6


### States will encourage other major emitters such 7


### as China and India to adopt similarly ambitious 8



### rules. We can be the trendsetter, and we can 9


### reap the social, ec onomic, health, and 10


### environmental benefits that go hand in hand with 11



### that role. 12


### In terms of the negotiations themselves, 13


### we know that the next global climate change 14


### agreement will largely take a bottom

- up approach, 15


### meaning that domestic actions like the Clean 16



### Power Plan will be used to fulfill commitments 17


### made within an international system, commitments 18


### that are due in about eight months at the end of 19


### first quarter 2015. 20


### Barring new legislation, it is unlikely, 21


### if not impossible, for the U.S. to propose an 22

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### emissions reduction target that is drastic enough 1


### to solve the climate crisis. There is no quick 2


### fix, no single solution, but the answer is to 3


### diversify the cuts from different sectors

-- 4


### define the low hanging fruit and the biggest 5



### causes for concern and chip away until reductions 6


### have been realized on an economy

- wide scale. 7



### That's the beauty of the Clean Power Plan 8


### because not only does it provide flexibility to 9


### the states and to industry; it also sets a model 10


### for how to reduce greenhouse gas emiss ions in a 11


### federalist, inclusatory way. 12



### Yes, we can do more. We can always do 13


### more, but with this plan, we are setting an 14



### example for our economy, for the world, and for 15



### our future. This is what a foundation for 16


### leadership looks like. Thank you. 17



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. Next 18


### up we have Sara Chieffo and Linda Tsang. And 19


### after this group, the next two names are Kendyl 20



### Crawford and David Burns. 21



### MS. CHIEFFO: Good afternoon. How are 22

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### y'all holding up? Thank you. So my name is Sara 1



### Chieffo, S

- A

- R

- A, last name C

- H

- I

- E

- F

- F

- O. 2


### And first, let me say thank you for this 3


### opportunity to speak in support of the 4


### Environmental Protection Agency's proposed Clean 5



### Power Plan. 6



### As you've heard from us today, as you 7


### know this plan sends the first nationa l limits on 8


### carbon pollution from existing power plants. I'm 9



### here first, as a mom, and unlike some of the 10


### other moms here, my daughter is in the middle of 11


### nap time at daycare, so I brought a photo. It's 12


### much less disruptive for a parent and everyone 13



### here. 14



### I'm also here as an asthma sufferer, and 15


### I'm here as a Legislative Director for the League 16



### of Conservation Voters. 17



### I want to commend President Obama's 18


### leadership in addressing the challenge of our 19


### time which is climate change. And I strongly 20



### support the Comprehensive Climate Action Plan 21


### that he unveiled at my alma mater in June of 22

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### 2013. A port pillar, as you know, of that plan 1


### is limiting the pollution driving climate change 2


### in the nation's power plants. You know this as 3



### well as we do. The science is clear. Climate 4


### change is here, and human actions are the main 5



### cause. 6


### Across the country people are seeing the 7


### impacts right outside their windows and in their 8


### back yards. The devastation brought by Super 9


### Storm Sandy, as you've heard from a mom earli er 10


### this afternoon, the drought gripping my homestead 11


### of California, or the wildfires and subsequent 12


### floods that ravaged Colorado this past summer. 13


### Now our nation is already footing the 14


### bill for climate change. In 2013 there were 15



### seven separate weather a nd climate disasters 16


### whose price tags exceeded one billion

-- that's a 17


### billion with a B. Taxpayers are stuck picking up 18


### the vast majority of this tab. 19



### Now doctors, nurses, scientists, and 20



### other experts have sounded the alarm. If we 21



### don't act, carbon po llution will lead to 22

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### catastrophic impacts, and we're already seeing 1


### some of those impacts today. Climate change is 2



### also a clear threat to our health. Climate 3


### change's rising temperatures will make smog and 4


### pollution worse, triggering asthma attacks and 5



### e ven permanently damaging our children's 6


### developing lungs like my daughter Stella's. 7


### Now, fossil fuel fired power plants are 8


### the single largest source of carbon pollution in 9


### the United States, accounting for roughly 40 10


### percent of annual global warming emi ssions. 11


### Until now these polluters have been free to dump 12


### unlimited amounts of carbon pollution into our 13



### air. 14


### The EPA's proposed standards will finally 15



### change that. These state

- by

- state pollution 16


### reduction guidelines are exciting for a number of 17



### reasons . It puts states back in the driver's 18


### seat when it comes to deciding what pollution 19



### reduction measures will work best for them. We 20


### commend you for putting in the four building 21


### blocks that you've outlined. They're really 22

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### based programs that have a proven track record in 1



### many states across the country. 2


### I'm here to tell you you're on solid 3


### ground. As you know, limiting carbon pollution 4


### is widely supported including

-- overall four out 5


### of five young people

-- and this shouldn't be 6


### surprising because this is the generation with 7


### the most at stake in climate change. In fact, 8



### it's

-- it would be funny if it weren't such a 9


### tough challenge, but reducing carbon pollution 10


### from the nation's largest polluters is so common 11


### sense that people already think these limit s are 12


### in place. When they find out that they're not, 13


### and they think well, we already limit the sources 14


### of pollution like mercury, arsenic, and lead from 15



### power plants. They demand that we do the exact 16


### same thing for the pollution driving climate 17



### change. 18


### So this proposed standard will protect 19


### public health. It will spur innovation and clean 20


### technologies. It will create new jobs. It will 21


### save consumers on their electricity bills despite 22

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### what the Chamber of Commerce is trying to say out 1


### in the airways. And it will start us down a path 2


### of stopping dangerous climate disruption. It 3


### will also help ensure that the current market 4


### trends we're already seeing towards a cleaner, 5


### and safer, and more modern power sector continue. 6



### This standard builds on successfu l actions of 7



### this administration, the EPA, and that the 8


### Department of Transportation have already taken 9



### to modernize our vehicle fleet and to limit the 10


### amount of carbon pollution from cars and trucks. 11


### LCV is proud to have already gathered 12



### over 150,000 co mments in support of the Clean 13



### Power Plan. Our members are part of the record

14


### breaking millions of citizens across the country 15


### that have said, EPA, we have your back; be bold 16


### and limit carbon pollution from both new and 17


### existing power plants. 18



### We commend you for the proposal, and we 19


### encourage the Agency to issue the strongest final 20


### standard possible this coming June, including 21


### increasing the assumptions about what reductions 22

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### are achievable through investments in energy 1


### efficiency and renewable energy. 2



### I feel very lucky to get up every day and 3


### fight for a safer planet and for cleaner air. I 4



### want to say thank you to the EPA and to you, 5


### Chris, Alex, and Erich for your time listening to 6


### all of us. And I just want to say, you know, I 7



### have a whole new

- found perspective on fighting 8


### for climate change and why this problem is so 9


### pressing. I have such a moral obligation when I 10


### am chasing my daughter around every day, so thank 11


### you for this opportunity. 12



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 13



### MS. TSANG: Good afternoon, my name is 14


### Linda Tsang, L

- I

- N

- D

- A, T, as in Tom, S

- A

- N

- G, 15


### and I'm the Director of Air Quality and Climate 16


### for the American Forest and Paper Association and 17



### the American Wood Council. I don't have a 18


### picture of my kids, but all this wood will 19



### represent me toda y. 20


### We appreciate this opportunity to provide 21



### our views on EPA's Clean Power Plan. AF&PA 22

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### primarily represents pulp and paper manufacturers 1


### and AWC primarily represents wood product 2



### manufacturers. 3



### EPA's Clean Power Plan affects all users 4


### of electricity. The forest products industry is 5


### an energy intensive industry and spent over $5 6


### billion on purchase of electricity in 2011. 7


### Because we operate in a highly competitive global 8


### market increases in our energy costs can 9


### significantly harm the competitiveness of the 10


### U.S. forest products industry. 11



### We have stated before that the Clean Air 12


### Act is not the right tool to address greenhouse 13


### gas emissions and we are concerned that EPA's 14


### proposal could have unintended consequences that 15


### negatively impact our economy. 16


### For the time being the plan treats 17



### biomass CO2 emissions the same as fossil fuel 18


### emissions even though EPA acknowledges that using 19


### biomass for energy can have climate benefits 20


### compared to using fossil fuels and can help 21



### reduce greenhouse gases. 22

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### Our ind ustry's products and the manner in 1


### which we produce and use biomass energy are all 2


### part of the sustainable carbon cycle. CO2 is 3



### stored as carbon in trees and then released when 4


### the trees die, decay, or are combusted. Wood 5


### residuals from forest products m ills such as bark 6



### would have decayed and released CO2 to the 7


### atmosphere anyway if they had not been used to 8


### produce energy and displaced fossil fuels. 9


### The use of biomass for energy reduction 10


### is not the same as burning fossil fuels or 11


### purchasing fossil fuel based electricity. Now 12


### the time has come for EPA to fully recognize this 13


### in the regulations and policy. 14


### In the plan EPA clearly signals that they 15


### anticipate that states will consider using 16


### biomass to help meet emission reduction 17


### requirements of th e rule and says that the 18


### accounting framework for biogenic CO2 emissions, 19


### when finalized, will be a resource to help inform 20


### states in developing their plans. 21



### Parties interested in biomass

- related 22

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### issues are deprived of their rightful opportunity 1



### to fully comment on the plan until EPA issues the 2


### revised accounting framework that will determine 3


### the central issue of biomass carbon neutrality. 4


### We believe that EPA's accounting framework should 5


### be simple and practical and be based on the best 6



### available data. The framework should reflect 7


### data that shows the use of manufacturing 8


### residuals for energy generates greenhouse gas 9



### reduction benefits. 10



### In addition, the framework should avoid 11


### the use of an anticipated baseline based on 12


### modeling assumptions because it is inaccurate, 13


### unduly complicated, and costly to implement. 14


### In contrast, a reference point baseline 15



### that uses historical and current data more 16


### accurately assesses if there are any atmospheric 17


### impacts from the use of biomass for energy. 18



### AF&PA and AWC urge EPA to complete its 19


### accounting framework, acknowledge these carbon 20


### neutrality principles, apply them consistently to 21


### its regulations, and provide clear guidance on 22

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### how the framework should be incorporated into 1


### state implementation plans. 2


### Given the impor tance and the far

- reaching 3


### impact of EPA's regulation of greenhouse gases 4


### from the power sector, EPA must fully examine the 5


### plan's impact on various manufacturing industries 6


### and commit to addressing biomass use for energy. 7


### Thank you for your time and cons ideration. 8



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much for your 9


### input. 10


### Next up we have Kendyl Crawford and David 11



### Burns. 12


### MS. CRAWFORD: Hi, my name is Kendyl 13



### Crawford. That's spelled K

- E

- N

- D

- Y

- L, Crawford, 14



### C

- R

- A

- W

- F

- O

- R

- D. And I am coming from Richmond, 15



### Vir ginia. 16



### The National Climate Assessment, released 17


### this past June, announces that children, the 18


### elderly, the sick, the poor, and some communities 19


### of color are the most at risk of the negative 20


### health impacts of climate change. The assessment 21



### reports that t he impacts of climate change are 22

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### here today and that they are producing threats to 1



### health. 2


### One threat predicted to worsen is 3


### respiratory stress from poor air quality. This 4


### does not look good for those like me with 5


### conditions like asthma and allergies wi th the 6


### report predicting increased smog, more wildfires, 7


### longer pollen seasons, higher pollen 8


### concentrations, and worsening indoor air quality 9


### due to increased fungi and molds. 10


### We cannot afford to let climate change 11


### amplify our health risk when it will c ome at the 12



### expense of the most vulnerable among us. 13


### According to the U.S. Office of Minority 14



### Health, African

- Americans are three times more 15


### likely to die from asthma

- related causes than 16



### Caucasians. And African

- American children are 17



### 3.6 times more like ly to visit the emergency room 18



### for asthma than Caucasian children. 19


### According to the Energy Economics and the 20



### Environment, effects on African

- Americans report 21


### released by the American Association of Blacks 22

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### and Energy, approximately 78 percent of African

1



### A mericans live within 30 miles of a coal fired 2


### power plant. Although coal is often hailed as 3


### being the most cost effective energy solution, 4



### this does not take into account all of the 5


### burdens that weigh down communities closest to 6



### the plants. 7



### Unfortunatel y, African

- Americans with 8


### lower ways of health insurance coverage have 9


### fewer resources to manage these added impacts. 10



### These communities suffer from increased rates of 11


### asthma, lost school and work days, not to mention 12


### lead exposure which has been linked to attention 13


### deficits and higher incidents of violent crime. 14



### Surely these expenses should be calculated as a 15


### part of the true cost of our energy production. 16


### And while these health disparities need 17



### to be addressed, the vulnerable need to be 18



### protected, an d we, as a society, need to become 19


### serious about finding climate change. We cannot 20


### ignore the alarming health disparities within our 21


### community. 22

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### With carbon pollution being the chief 1


### cause of climate change and with power plants 2


### being the chief source of that pollution, I 3


### support the Clean Power Plan and call for it to 4


### be strengthened to reduce our carbon emissions by 5



### at least 35 percent based on 2005 levels by 2020. 6



### The vulnerable, our children and future 7


### generations, are too important for us to not take 8


### strong and decisive action by embracing clean and 9



### renewable energy. Thank you. 10



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 11


### MR. BURNS: Thank you. My name is David 12



### Burns. That's B

- U

- R

- N

- S. I'm a resident of 13



### D.C., and I work for the National Wildlife 14



### Fe deration. Normally I work on international 15


### policy, and I've seen firsthand the impacts of 16


### climate change and carbon pollution, especially 17


### in the tropics on wildlife and people, but today 18


### I'll be sharing the experience of someone closer 19



### to home. I'm readi ng the testimony of Josh Nease 20



### -- that's N

- E

- A

- S

- E

-- of the New River Valley 21


### Trout, Unlimited, in southwestern Virginia. 22

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### These are his words: I thank you for the 1


### opportunity to submit this formal testimony 2


### regarding EPA's proposed Clean Power Plan. I am 3


### pleased with this administration's proposed 4


### action to combat climate change by setting limits 5


### on carbon pollution from existing power plants. 6


### I am eager for a time when the existence of 7


### climate change is no longer a political debate, 8


### and this country c an become a leader in climate 9


### change mitigation and adaptation. I applaud EPA 10


### for taking much needed steps to reverse the 11



### course we are on. 12


### My name is Josh Nease, and I live and 13


### fish in Virginia's New River Valley. I believe 14



### that we have a social, envi ronmental, and 15


### economic obligation to take steps to mitigate 16


### climate change. These actions will help to 17


### protect the ecosystem's services on which we rely 18



### and conserve our natural resources for use by 19


### future generations. 20


### One natural resource facing the g reatest 21



### threat is our native wildlife. And as a 22

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### fisherman, paddler, birder, and naturalist, I 1


### applaud EPA for taking action to combat the 2


### cause, carbon pollution. 3


### I have been fly fishing for trout in the 4


### mountains of West Virginia and Virginia for many 5


### years. In my short lifetime the impacts of 6


### climate change, specifically a warming planet and 7


### changing weather patterns have taken a toll on 8


### wild native trout populations. Increasing stream 9


### temperatures are forcing wild brook trout 10


### populations further and further upstream to the 11



### smallest coldest streams in the watershed. In 12


### these headwater tributaries food supplies and 13


### habitat are often limited, and populations of 14


### fish are isolated from other populations reaping 15


### the genetic diversity of the species. 16



### The U.S. EPA's Clean Power Plan is a 17


### major step in the right direction. This plan 18


### will help define the way towards a future in 19


### which we invest more in clean energy and less in 20


### fuels that pollute our air and water and harm our 21


### global climate. 22

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### By reducing re liance on coal burning for 1


### power generation in the U.S., the Clean Power 2


### Plan will help protect wildlife by reducing not 3


### only carbon pollution but other harmful 4


### pollutants like mercury that poisons fish and 5



### threatens all who eat them. This rule will 6



### reduc e the need for more coal mining that's 7


### destroying precious wildlife habitat, including 8



### our waterways. 9


### As you finalize this standard, I ask that 10


### you work to ensure that it achieves the deepest 11


### reductions possible by requiring states to focus 12


### on increasing energy efficiencies and renewable 13


### energy sources and not solely on transitioning to 14



### natural gas. 15


### Virginia can and should do more to 16


### generate power from renewable sources like wind 17



### and solar and reduce energy demand through energy 18


### efficiency. EPA should strengthen the standard 19


### to reflect this potential. 20


### Thank you for the opportunity to comment 21


### today, and we look forward to working with you to 22

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### finalize and implement the Clean Power Plan. To 1


### mitigate climate change we know what we need to 2



### do and we have an ever improving technology to do 3


### it. Now we need the political will to make the 4


### transition and keep America moving forward. 5


### We hope you will do everything you can to 6


### ensure it stays strong through the process. 7


### Wildlife and future generations are cou nting on 8


### your leadership. Thank you. 9



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much, both of 10



### you. 11


### Next up we have Sarah Ucic, U

- C

- I

- C, and 12



### then Janet Miller. And then after that would be 13



### James Lytle. 14


### MS. UCIC: Good afternoon. My name is 15



### Sarah Ucic. Last name would be U

- C

- I

- C. 16


### I'm here today in Washington, D.C., as a 17



### 34

- year resident of New Castle County, Delaware. 18


### I'm here as a Registered Nurse of 13 years, and 19



### I'm here as a mother of a six

- year

- old who is 20


### anxiously awaiting in the hallway. 21



### So why am I here today to testify? 22

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### Growing up, I never thought much about the 1


### environment to be honest. My great grandparents 2


### were from Eastern Europe, and they worked in coal 3


### mines upon arriving to the United States. My 4


### grandmother and her father worked in the coa l 5


### mines of Pennsylvania. Many of my family have 6



### worked either in factories or in chemical 7


### production. Industry and chemicals have always 8


### been part of my life. 9



### I was born on Grand Island, New York, in 10


### 1978, and while my mother was pregnant with me, 11



### seve n miles away the Love Canal neighborhood was 12


### being evacuated. I spent the first three years 13


### of my life in upstate New York, and when I was 14



### three, I moved to New Castle County, Delaware. 15


### Eight years ago I moved next to one of 16


### the largest sour crude refin eries in the United 17


### States. Industry in Delaware is so prevalent it 18


### actually felt familiar. 19



### When I was 29, I had a daughter. And 20



### when she was three months old, an event occurred 21


### at our local refinery. So people in my community 22

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### reported a substance on their cars. I called our 1



### local Natural Resources Agency, and I was told 2



### not to worry about my baby. 3



### When I was 30, I had a growth on my neck 4


### that continued to grow. After requiring surgery 5


### I was told I had carcinoma on my thyroid gland. 6



### I go back now for yearly ultrasounds and require 7


### daily medication. And I am fortunate that unlike 8


### many other cancer patients, I did not require 9


### radiation and separation from my child for 48 10



### hours at a time. 11


### Over the last five years I've wondered 12



### about where I was bor n, where I've grown up, and 13



### I don't get answers. Here's what I do know: I 14


### do know my town in New Castle, Delaware, is a 15


### nonattainment zone, particulate matter 2.5, which 16


### is the very small stuff that goes into my 17



### daughter's lungs very deeply. It's also a 18


### nonattainment for eight

- hour ozone. I do know 19


### interstate air pollution contributes to our 20



### nonattainment. I know that where I was born had 21


### legacy contamination, and where I continue to 22

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### live has legacy contamination. 1


### In 2011 after speaking to our local 2


### refinery, I was subsequently asked to join the 3


### Community Advisory Panel to report back their 4


### progress to the community since I had started an 5


### environmental Facebook page about our area. 6


### I recall most vividly a year into my 7


### being on their panel the night I attended their 8


### monthly meeting. I sat and I listened to how 9



### clean they were, how much better they were than 10


### their many prior owners, and I believed them. 11


### However, it provided little comfort to me as this 12



### was the same day I found out my daughter had a 13



### r eactive airway disease. 14


### That day I was given two inhalers and a 15


### pediatric spacer. This is for a toddler. It 16


### goes over their nose and their mouth. I was very 17


### frightened. 18



### There were changes that had taken place 19


### in her lungs by age three and a half. And these 20



### were visible on basic X

- ray. These changes are 21


### referred to as bronchial cuffing, and I am not 22

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### sure what this means for future lung functioning. 1


### Carbon pollution is not a problem to our 2


### children, our grand or great grandchildren. It's 3



### my prob lem; it's our problem. My family in the 4


### past experienced the financial benefits of 5


### industry. We have also experienced health 6


### consequences. We have experienced black lung 7


### disease. We have experienced leukemia. I will 8


### also add to that list my cancer and my daughter's 9


### now diagnosed asthma. And these are prices that 10



### are not calculated when decisions are made. 11



### Asthma can be life

- threatening if it's 12



### not properly managed. In Delaware alone from 13


### 1994 to 2001 a study done by our Division of 14



### Public Health an d our Natural Resources Agency 15


### concluded 113 fatalities directly linked to 16


### asthma in Delaware alone. We can no longer rely 17


### on the ignorance of the consequences to calculate 18


### costs. We need to consider many costs. What is 19


### the cost if you lose your head of household? 20


### What does it cost to lose your parent, your 21


### child? Many of these aren't even in dollars. We 22

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### cannot allow any longer the false choice of jobs 1



### versus the environment. This is a false choice 2



### to ask citizens to choose between their own 3



### health a nd their own finances, and this is not a 4



### real choice. 5


### This problem can be solved and I look to 6


### the EPA to strongly regulate in order to protect 7


### not only families who live near facilities but 8



### for their workers and families as well. If 9


### people can't work j obs due to their health, 10


### whether the job exists or not, will not be 11



### relevant any longer. 12


### We can't ask people any longer to work in 13


### the polluted communities as a normal American 14


### practice. The projected health impacts of not 15


### imposing this new carbon stand ard will be 16


### disabling and deadly. And I urge anyone who 17



### considers the costs of the standard to consider 18


### that people's lives will be saved by the proposed 19



### standard and to those

-- those individuals, the 20


### cost would be immeasurable. Thank you. 21



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 22

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### Are you James Lytle? 1



### MR. LYTLE: I am. 2



### MR. BARRON: Great. Thank you very much. 3


### MR. LYTLE: Hi, my name is James Lytle, 4



### L

- Y

- T

- L

- E. I'm here to speak in support of the 5



### Clean Power Plan. 6



### I come to you

-- I cannot tell you h ow 7


### strongly I can relate to the previous speaker's 8


### adult life. I recently found out

-- well, about 9


### 10 years ago I found out I have asthma, didn't 10


### have that until 10 years ago. And only in the 11



### last month or so I found out that I have a 12


### strange form of ski n cancer. 13


### We are probably in a situation where 14


### we're on the verge of a huge mass extinction. 15


### Water will soon be completely unavailable to the 16


### vast majority of our Great Basin, the entire

-- 17



### the entire west coast, west of the Sierras. 18



### We're in a real crisis situation, and I would 19


### urge the EPA to really stand strong on this power 20


### plan and resist the monied interest in our 21


### country which seem to think that they can deny 22

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### their way out of our current

-- our current

-- 1


### it's a cataclysm we're heading towards. 2



### And so, I

-- I don't

-- I won't belabor 3


### the fact, but I hope strongly that the EPA will 4


### consider people like me, people like the woman 5



### who spoke before me. We

-- we have to live. We 6


### have to pay for this crap that we're going 7


### through. And it's not a l ot of fun. So at least 8


### limiting carbon that goes into the air, CO2 9


### pollution which can increase the radiation of the 10



### sun, increase the heat

-- at least that gets us 11


### started turning the ship. It's

-- it's going to 12


### take a long time, and we may never be abl e to 13


### avoid this cataclysm towards which we are headed. 14


### I'm not positive that we can, but we have to take 15


### some action. And this appears to me to be a 16



### reasonable one. 17



### And I would also like to

-- to echo what 18



### I heard earlier. It's time for the United Sta tes 19


### to lead on this instead of taking up the rear in 20



### all instances. I'm tired of that. I'm an 21


### American. I'd like to see my country start to 22

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### lead among nations again. 1



### Thank you. That's all I need to say to 2



### you. 3



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. Nex t 4


### up we have Allison Homer and Brent Murcia. And 5


### then after that would be Reed McGinley and Phoebe 6



### Long. 7


### MS. HOMER: Hello, my name is Allison 8


### Homer, and I am from Blacksburg, Virginia James 9



### Lytle. As a graduate student of urban 10


### environmental planning and policy and as an 11



### informed and concerned citizen, I stand in 12


### support of the Environmental Protection Agency 13


### for taking this critical step towards reducing 14



### toxic carbon emissions. However, with 15


### nearly half of the people in the U.S. breathing 16



### air that contains unhealthy levels of pollution 17


### according to the American Lung Association and 18


### with our climate on a rapidly accelerating, 19


### nearly uncontrollable trajectory, these rules 20



### must be stronger. 21


### Further, considering the unbearably 22

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### unjust facts that our A frican

- American citizens 1


### have a death rate from asthma that is 172 percent 2


### higher than that of Caucasians, most likely 78 3


### percent live within 30 miles of a power plant and 4


### are at disproportionate risk from climate change 5


### due to population concentration in areas of high 6


### risk, these rules absolutely must address 7


### environmental justice concerns raised within the 8



### current proposal. 9


### I can personally attest to the verity of 10


### the statistics of the disproportionate health 11


### risks among communities of color and lower 12



### s ocioeconomic status. Like many of my fellow 13


### Americans, I have been fortunate enough to have 14


### been raised in a tight knit family that is 15


### racially, culturally, and economically diverse. 16



### It is beautiful. 17


### Here is the tragic part. My blood

18


### related family m embers who happen to be of Latino 19



### or African

- American descent or of lower socio

20



### economic status face serious health issues that 21



### I, as a middle class Caucasian, have never had to 22

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### face. These health issues can be directly 1


### correlated with the proximity of th eir 2


### neighborhoods to toxic emission sites. This is 3


### great and grotesque injustice and is morally and 4



### legally unacceptable. 5


### The EPA is obligated to address these 6



### random issues under Executive Order 128.98, 7


### Federal Actions to address environmental justice 8


### in minority populations and low income 9


### populations. And they are working in the right 10



### direction, I believe. 11



### As the rule stands now, however, it is 12



### very slanted towards cap and trade as the most 13


### viable option to meet carbon emissions. Cap and 14



### trade, whi le it looks good on paper, has 15


### potential to create hot spots where toxic power 16


### plants remain likely those in community of color 17



### or in low socioeconomic status. There are 18



### currently no systems to ensure that greenhouse 19


### gas reductions occur in communities th at would 20



### benefit the most from co

- pollutant reductions. 21



### Further, the rule currently adopts a 22

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### number of misleading claims about the benefits of 1


### fracking. These projects are, again, largely 2



### housed in communities of low socioeconomic status 3



### and create harm ful emissions similar to those 4


### coal fired power plants. 5


### Concerning climate, we have now reached 6


### the highest carbon

-- the highest CO2 levels in 7


### 800,000 years. That is not a cycle. We are 8


### altering the only environment we have ever known. 9



### If we were to miraculously cease all 10


### emissions today, our climate would continue 11


### warming for nearly 1,000 years. While the EPA is 12


### moving in a very admirable and critical 13


### direction, unfortunately 30 percent reductions by 14



### 2030 comes nowhere close to what we need to 15



### -- to where we need to be in order to address 16



### this climate crisis. 17


### States who have already taken initiative 18


### like Delaware and Minnesota have easily reduced 19


### emissions and have seen economic growth. These 20


### are proof that we can and must do better with 21



### stronge r standards. 22

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### The economic benefits associated with the 1



### Clean Power Plan have also been shown in evidence 2


### in the past three decades. From 1970 to 2001 3


### emissions dropped 68 percent while GDP rose by 4


### 200 percent, and the private sector rose by 88 5



### percent. 6



### The claims that the rules will create 7


### economic hardship are unfounded. These rules, in 8


### summary, while a critical first step are

-- fall 9



### far short of what we know from insurmountable 10


### science to be necessary. The rules must hold 11


### standards higher than 30 percent and must include 12


### the input of all communities within the United 13


### States regardless of race or socioeconomic status 14


### That being said, I want to thank the EPA 15


### for taking the initiative on creating these 16


### carbon pollution standards under the direction of 17


### President Obama and for launching our United 18


### States' initiative to address climate change and 19


### air pollution. 20



### MR. BARRON: Thanks very much for your 21


### input. And you're welcome to elaborate further 22

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### on the environmental justice or anything else 1



### from your testimony for the record and further 2


### suggestions. 3


### MR. MURCIA: My name is Brent Murcia, M

4



### U

- R

- C

- I

- A. I just want to start by saying that 5



### I'm really grateful that as a young person and a 6


### relatively ordinary person, I have the ability to 7


### offer input on s omething like this. The EPA's 8


### open and transparent process is something to be 9



### very proud of. 10



### And then I guess I

-- so I am a student 11



### and I intern as an occasional environmental 12


### activist, but today, I'm just talking from my 13


### personal perspective as a 19

- year

- old growing up 14


### with the looming threat of climate change. So 15


### I'll share some of my experiences with you and 16


### hopefully my perspective can be useful. 17


### I grew up in Connecticut where we are no 18


### stranger to extreme weather are especially 19



### recently. In 2 011 we Hurricane Irene. That 20


### storm hit us with 754,000 power outages

- o

- about 21



### half the state's customers. A tree fell on my 22

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### house, like many, and I went eight days without 1


### power or running water in one of the hottest 2



### weeks of the summer. Irene was the 7th costliest 3


### hurricane in U.S. history, $15.6 billion, and 49 4


### people lost their lives. 5



### Two months later in October we were hit 6


### by a historic early season snowstorm. Because it 7



### hit when the leaves were still on the trees, 8



### thousands of trees came down, and this time more 9



### than half the state, 830,000 customers, lost 10



### power. Outages lasted as long as 11 days, 11


### leaving some people huddling together for warmth 12


### in shelters. Another two trees fell on my house, 13


### one right over the bed I was sleeping in. That 14



### sto rm cost the U.S. as much as $3 billion; 10 15


### people in Connecticut lost their lives. 16


### And then there was Super Storm Sandy, $65 17


### billion in damage, the second costliest storm in 18


### history. 625,000 power outages in Connecticut, 19


### 72 people were killed, 4 of th em in Connecticut. 20



### What else can I say about Sandy that hasn't 21


### already been said? 22

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### And I was personally fortunate that for 1


### the most part I was never in any immediate danger 2


### in these storms. But for millions of people on 3


### the front lines of climate change , extreme 4



### weather is the difference between life and death, 5


### between having a home and having it washed away. 6



### So I'll be honest: As a 19

- year

- old 7


### seeing all of this happen, I'm

-- I'm really 8



### scared. I'm scared because I hear scientists 9


### saying that storm s like these, heavy 10


### precipitation events and extreme temperatures, 11


### are becoming more and more frequent and will get 12



### worse. I'm scared because the town that I grew 13


### up near, where my friends live, are predicted to 14


### be under water within my lifetime. So my f riends 15


### may lose their houses. 16


### I'm scared because models predict that 17


### temperatures may get up to 10 degrees Fahrenheit 18


### warmer if we don't do something. And most of 19



### all, I'm scared because as I've learned about it 20



### from teachers as far back as elementary s chool, 21


### our government has still not done anything. SO 22

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### this proposal gives me some hope that this is 1


### changing, that we still can prevent the future 2



### that I'm afraid of. 3



### But my support of the proposal does not 4


### just rest on fear. I am genuinely excited by the 5


### possibilities it opens up for us. I've had the 6


### chance to do some work in the renewable industry, 7


### and I know that the potential for jobs and growth 8



### is there. 9


### I'm also excited about what this proposal 10


### can do for our air. My father is a physician 11



### wh o's done some work in public health. He's told 12


### me about the massive number of health problems 13


### that come from air pollution. Currently, 44 14


### percent of people in the U.S. are regularly 15


### exposed to dangerously polluted air. And as a 16


### Latino, this hits very clo se to home because 17


### minorities are 38 percent more impacted directly, 18


### and 40 percent of Latinos live within 30 miles of 19



### a power plant. 20


### These proposed standards will help to cut 21


### dangerous pollution from these power plants, and 22

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### I really appreciate that. T his is one thing I 1


### love about the proposal. It recognizes that our 2



### problems do not stand alone but are 3



### interconnected, and that it will take a 4


### coordinated approach to solve them. 5


### The proposed rule is not perfect. I 6



### think that EPA should do more to take into 7


### account environmental justice concerns about 8


### nuclear energy and fracking. There are costs 9


### there that aren't being counted. And I also think 10


### someone not far from where I go to school said 11


### that there are changes in the atmospher. 12



### And I also think tha t there are 13


### definitely winners in our attempt to have cleaner 14


### energy; there are also inevitably some losers. 15


### But when net benefits far outweigh the costs, we 16



### have to remember that there are some costs, and I 17


### believe there should be a mechanism in place fo r 18


### those who are hit by the costs to be helped. 19


### That's more of a job for the states. That's one 20


### thing I appreciate about this rule, that states 21


### have flexibility to use it and that's really a 22

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### great feature. 1


### So yes, I'm concluding that this proposal 2



### isn't perfect; but solving climate change and 3


### cleaning our air will take many steps, and this 4


### is one of those. To me, this rule is a huge step 5


### in the right direction, one that we'll 6


### undoubtedly have to build on, but one that can 7


### get us going. For that I sincer ely thank the EPA 8



### for what you've done, and I hope that you 9



### continue for all of us. 10



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. Next 11


### we have Reed McGinley and Phoebe Long. And then 12


### next up would be Zach Gargura [phonetic] and Jim 13



### Ball. 14



### MR. MCGINLEY

- STEMPEL: H i, my name is 15


### Reed McGinley

- Stempel. I and I am happy to be 16



### here today. 17



### MR. BARRON: Can you spell that for us? 18



### MR. MCGINLEY

- STEMPEL: Reed, R

- E

- E

- D, 19


### McGinley

- Stempel. I won't make you spell that, 20



### and I am happy to

-- 21



### MR. BARRON: Can you spell tha t for us? 22

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### MR. MCGINLEY

- STEMPEL: I'd be happy to 1


### spell it, I guess. 2



### Reed, R

- E

- E

- D, McGinley, M

- C

- capital G

- I

3



### N

- L

- E

- Y, hyphen, S

- T

- E

- M

- P

- E

- L. 4


### I am happy to speak in strong support of 5


### the EPA's proposed carbon emission standards for 6



### power plants. Cu tting emissions for our nation's 7


### largest polluter is an essential step in the 8


### matter of climate change. As the likelihood 9


### increases that our planet will surpass the 2 10


### degrees Celsius mark in temperature increases, 11



### ambitious efforts like the Clean Power Pl an aimed 12


### at curbing significant carbon pollution are 13


### increasingly needed. 14


### I grew up in southern Nevada, and I 15


### witnessed the negative impacts of climate change 16


### firsthand. My hometown of Henderson depends on 17


### the Lake Mead reservoir, which is fed by the 18



### Co lorado River for virtually all of its water 19


### needs. Therefore, it was disconcerting to learn 20


### from a recent article in the Desert Sun newspaper 21


### that Lake Mead's water level is now rapidly 22

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### declining at one foot per week, largely caused by 1



### a 14

- year drought w e are experiencing. 2



### One study conducted a few years ago by 3


### scientists from the University of California in 4


### San Diego gives us 50

- 50 odds that Lake Mead will 5


### run dry by 2021. To put this in perspective, the 6


### reservoir provides water to more than 20 millio n 7


### people, including the entirety of the Las Vegas 8



### Valley. 9


### Although drought is not necessarily 10


### uncommon in the region, climate change has 11


### contributed to many of these ill effects. 12


### According to the EPA, temperatures in the 13



### Southwest have increased 1.5 de grees Fahrenheit 14


### in the past century causing mass decreases in 15


### snow packing and the Colorado River's flow, 16


### Therefore jeopardizing the lake

-- the Lake Mead 17



### Reservoir. 18


### These abnormally high temperatures have 19


### contributed to a dwindling water supply and 20



### w orsened drought. In order to cope, Las Vegas is 21


### currently working on an $817 million project 22

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### aimed at temporarily extending the reservoir 1


### lifespan. While it is unlikely that my 2


### community's specific plight can be solved by 3



### these ambitious carbon reduction s, I hope the 4


### lesson of Lake Mead serves to underpin the 5


### importance of taking swift action against climate 6


### change to avoid similar fates for other 7



### communities. 8


### We have already seen the economic cost of 9



### the inaction in Southern Nevada, and there will 10



### be a dditional human costs in the form of higher 11


### smog and air pollution if we continue to ignore 12



### the problem. 13


### Thank you to the EPA for taking this 14


### critical step in securing a healthier and more 15



### stable future forever. 16



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. Thank you very 17



### much. 18



### If you could spell your name? 19



### MS. LONG: Phoebe Long, P

- H

- O

- E

- B

- E, 20



### L

- O

- N

- G. So I'm Phoebe Long, and I'm here to 21


### speak in favor of the Clean Power Plan because I 22

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### believe it is well planned, efficient, and 1


### possible. I am from Western Massachuset ts, and I 2



### commend the efforts that my Congressman and 3



### senators have taken so far to reduce carbon 4


### emissions within my state. 5


### If the nations continue having carbon 6


### levels of emission, actions will be adversely 7


### affected. By 2100 the temperature will ris e on 8



### average between 5 and 10 degrees. The sea level 9


### could rise anywhere between 11 to 79 inches. The 10


### consequences of these changes will alter bird 11


### migrations and endanger coastal towns and 12



### Massachusetts economy. 13


### Beyond Massachusetts, cutting carbon 14



### po llution would have wide

- reaching positive 15


### effects for people in any state as it works to 16


### protect health of American residents. The plan 17


### would cut carbon and particle pollution, thus 18


### making the air we breathe cleaner and safer. 19



### The Clean Power Plan works to reduce 20


### risks for asthma. Such actions will help 21


### protect vulnerable populations such as the 22

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### elderly and the young who are most sensitive to 1



### the asthma

- inducing particles in the air. These 2



### reductions will avert between 140,000 to 150,000 3



### asthma attack s in children, thus saving between 4


### 2,700 and 6,600 more lives from premature deaths. 5



### The Clean Power Plan also works towards a 6


### more sustainable power sector. The United States 7


### should lead the pack in innovative energy, not 8



### trail behind others. Moderniz ing energy 9


### production would create jobs in varying sectors 10


### from construction, to engineering, to service 11


### providers, and to programming. The Clean Power 12


### Plan will help Americans get jobs and retain our 13


### position at the forefront of the sustainable 14



### energy mo vement and solve climate change. 15


### The EPA's plan is common sense. It's not 16



### radical. It varies from state to state to ensure 17


### that each state has a fair standard and helps 18


### protect the air. Power plants are the absolute 19


### largest source of carbon pollution in America. 20



### And the Clean Power Plan works to lessen the 21


### currently unlimited amount of carbon pollution 22

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### that power plants are currently allowed to dump 1


### into the air. It's sensible. It's good law, it's 2


### good policy, and it's good for our environment. 3



### An d thank you for your time. 4



### MR. BARRON: Thanks very much for your 5


### input. 6


### Next up Zach Gargura and Jim Ball. Are 7



### you here

-- either of them? 8



### (No response.) 9


### MR. BARRON: Zach Gargura [phonetic], Jim 10



### Ball? 11



### (No response.) 12



### MR. BARRON: Is there a Turner Lott here? 13


### MR. LOTT: Hi, my name is Turner Lott, 14



### and that's spelled T

- U

- R

- N

- E

- R, L

- O

- T

- T. And I 15


### appreciate this opportunity today to be in 16


### support of the Environmental Protection Agency's 17


### standards on limiting carbon pollution for power 18



### plants. 19


### As a Mississippian I witnessed firsthand 20



### one of the most destructive storms that has hit 21



### the United States, Hurricane Katrina. On the 22

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### morning of August 29th, 2005, Hurricane Katrina 1


### pummeled the Mississippi gulf and brought with it 2


### a massive storm surg e that completely flooded 3


### buildings and homes, left 10 million stranded and 4



### in need of assistance. 5


### Katrina's storm surge was the highest 6



### ever recorded on the U.S. coast. 27.8 feet at 7


### Pass Christian, Mississippi. In its wake Katrina 8



### damaged some 90,000 square miles and took the 9


### lives of 2,000 people. People had never 10


### witnessed and had not anticipated a storm so 11



### powerful. 12


### You may describe Katrina as a natural 13


### disaster, a product of nature that was completely 14



### unaffected our actions; however, I know that 15


### operating under the assumption that we play no 16


### part in increasing the severity of storms and 17


### other disasters only further harm cannot help us. 18



### We would not cause disasters to occur more 19


### frequently, but would not decrease their potency 20



### and would not help save lives of Americans. 21


### As I speak, people are coping with 22

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### climate change impact. Prolonged heat waves, 1



### more severe droughts that lead to extended 2



### wildfire seasons, and rises in sea level that 3



### threaten to inundate coastal cities and 4



### ecosystems. These disasters do not go unnoticed. 5


### Record does not acknowledge our contribution to 6


### climate change only engenders inaction. And 7


### inaction on climate change will prove too costly. 8


### Fortunately, the EPA is fully aware that 9


### climate change is occurring, and human actions 10


### are the main cause. The new proposed standards 11


### seek to cut carbon pollution from its primary 12


### source, power plants. Coal and gas fired power 13


### plants are the single largest source of carbon 14


### pollution in the United States, accounting for 15



### roughly 40 percent of annual global warming 16


### emissions. That is why reducing power plant 17


### emissions is essential in heralding a cleaner 18



### health environment and EPA's new rule to limit 19


### power plants' carbon pollution is the biggest 20



### step our country has taken to reverse c limate 21



### change's harmful trend. 22

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### Climate change is the most pressing 1


### problem our nation faces, and I commend the work 2



### EPA has done and continues to do to nurture a 3



### cleaner, safer, and healthier climate. 4


### Now we must turn to our representatives 5


### in Congr ess and to our state leaders to ease this 6


### critical transition to a cleaner energy policy. 7


### I hope they support EPA's plan without any 8


### objections and seek to implement the plan to the 9


### best of their ability for it is what is best for 10



### our environment, our eco nomy, and our well being. 11



### Thank you. 12



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. I'm 13


### going to check in on a few people whose names 14


### came up earlier now. Is Jonathan Arnon here? 15



### (No response.) 16



### MR. BARRON: How about Tim Whitcombe? 17



### (No response.) 18



### MR. BARRO N: Okay. Colin Reese? 19



### (No response.) 20



### MR. BARRON: Janet Miller? It looks like 21


### Janet Miller may come in a moment. Looking for 22

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### Julia Brooks and Chris Lynn. Great. 1



### MS. LYNN: Good afternoon, and thank you 2


### for this opportunity to speak to the EPA. 3


### My name is Kristina Lynn, and I am a 4


### resident and the face of a community most 5


### impacted by emissions and then so in climate 6


### change. I live one mile from the fence line of 7


### the Delaware City PBF Refinery and one mile from 8


### the Delaware River. My property l ine backs to a 9



### tidal wetland. 10


### Since living in Delaware City for 25 11


### years I have been sheltered and placed twice and 12


### refused entrance into the town due to a refinery 13


### explosion on another occasion. The aquifer that 14


### supplies our drinking water is very clos e to 15


### becoming compromised. 16


### During increasingly severe storms roads 17


### are flooding worse than I have ever seen. The 18


### exits out of Delaware City

-- we have three, and 19


### at the present time only two are available. 20


### As a former Red Cross volunteer during 21



### Katrin a and an oil burner first responder

-- 22

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### response team member with Tri

- State Bird Research 1


### and Rescue. I can testify that sea level change 2


### is a real and dangerous thing. 3


### Eating crabs and fish from the Delaware 4


### River, once a local staple, is discouraged. Our 5


### local politicians, the industrial complex execs, 6


### the Tar Sands trains execs, and right on up to 7



### the Governor of the State of Delaware assure us 8


### that these operations are clean and safe. Yet in 9


### this Twitter age we do not have real time fence 10



### line emiss ion data collection or reporting. 11


### Even with the darn system of emergency 12


### reporting, sometimes it takes days or weeks to 13


### hear of toxic emissions. In January of 2013 we 14



### suffered a toxic release that lasted over a week. 15



### We didn't hear about this release u ntil June of 16



### 2013. We didn't hear about it for six months. I 17


### am probably a walking time bomb. 18


### The entire state of Delaware is basically 19


### a coastline. Climate change affecting sea level 20


### rise affects every citizen of my state. Progress 21


### is too slow. Agi ng plants and revolving door 22

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### holding companies offer no long

- term safety nets. 1



### My local power company, a company held by 2


### PEPCO Holdings, Inc., and soon Exelon, legally 3



### must let customers know what their fuel mix 4


### consists of. The current publication list s the 5



### breakdown as follows: coal, 42.3 percent; gas, 6


### 16.9 percent; nuclear, 33.4 percent; and oil, 0.2 7


### percent. The total in renewable energy sources 8


### is 7.3 percent. Let me repeat that. The total 9


### is 7.3 percent. 10


### I retired from working in the energy 11



### i ndustry and now work as an elementary and 12


### special education teacher. The school is located 13


### one mile from the refinery and one mile from the 14



### new five

- lane Department of Motor Vehicle 15


### inspection station with five lanes of cars 16


### spewing exhaust. Many of the kids and a rising 17


### number of the kids suffer from asthma, and yet 18


### there is no warning system to let the schools 19


### know if the air is clean or spewing toxins. If 20


### it smells bad, the kids stay in. But as you well 21


### know, toxins don't always smell. I suffer 22

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### from a number of ailments which limit the time I 1


### can spend outdoors, especially when air quality 2


### is bad. I come here today to say one main thing. 3



### We can do better than this. 4



### You can strengthen the standards for 5


### clean power, raise the bar for sustainable en ergy 6


### sourcing, and enforce the implementation of 7


### standards that will give our children a brighter, 8



### cleaner, future. Thank you. 9



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 10



### Please come on up. We'll work through 11



### the other names shortly. 12


### DR. MILLER: I was tryin g to briefer. 13


### Hello, my name is Dr. Janet Miller. I am 14


### a high school science teacher in Delaware. Thank 15


### you for the opportunity to speak about this issue 16


### and these long overdue regulations on carbon 17



### emission. 18



### Four years ago I became aware of the 19



### clim ate change issue as I studied to change 20



### careers and become a science educator. As I read 21



### the data

-- as I read about science in general 22

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### and the data on climate change, I was shocked at 1



### the seriousness of the situation. And I couldn't 2



### understand why there was no media attention. 3


### This was during the presidential debates, and I 4


### couldn't understand why it was not part of the 5


### presidential debates, why there wasn't massive 6


### coverage on the condition of our atmosphere. 7



### I have tried to understand the lack of 8



### at tention to this issue, which in my mind is the 9



### mother of all issues. If we don't have an 10


### ecosystem or a biosphere that supports human 11



### life, then all the other issues don't seem to 12



### matter as much. 13



### And I know there are many, many factors 14



### that determine what causes social change or why 15



### we would address this. The factor I wanted to 16


### talk to you about today was the issue of 17


### scientific literacy, that science processes study 18


### the physical environment that many of those 19


### processes take longer time or a shorter t ime than 20


### we can observe; they're bigger or smaller than we 21


### can see, and it's very difficult for the average 22

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### person to really understand what's going on, and, 1


### therefore, it's difficult to respond to it. And 2


### I've struggled to figure out how to bring 3



### people' s awareness to it and how to educate 4


### students about it without frightening them in 5


### such a way that they don't function. 6


### One of my friends is the CEO of a gas 7


### company. And he said to me, Janet, do you know 8


### what percentage carbon dioxide makes

-- that 9



### mak es up the atmosphere. He said it's less than 10



### one percent. It's too small to make a 11


### difference. And that says to me that this is a 12


### person that really lacks some basic scientific 13


### understanding about how physical processes occur 14


### and how small changes can i mpact systems and how 15


### one or two degrees change in body temperature can 16


### determine whether you're alive or dead and how a 17


### small change in a complex system can have a 18


### cascading effect that ultimately impacts us all 19


### in a very significant way. 20



### Much like a ro ck that comes down a 21



### mountain and hits other rocks that hit other 22

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### rocks, that hit other rocks and cause an 1



### avalanche, when you're at the top of the 2


### mountain, you don't necessarily realize the 3


### downward impact of what you're doing. And I 4



### think that's one of the challenges that we face 5


### is helping people understand that. 6


### So what I'm going to say to you today is 7


### thank you for doing this, for looking into this, 8


### for looking to take action on this. Thank you 9


### for my children. Thank you for my grandchildren, 10



### for all the children that are down the hill from 11



### us. 12



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. And 13


### before you leave, could I just get you to spell 14



### your name for the court reporter? 15



### DR. MILLER: J

- A

- N

- E

- T is the first name. 16



### M

- I

- L

- L

- E

- R is the last name. 17



### MR. BA RRON: Thank you very much. And 18


### also, about Kristina Lynn, I just want to make 19



### sure when you head on your way out, make sure 20



### that you have your name spelled correctly for the 21



### record as well. 22

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### MS. LYNN: Thank you. It's Kristina, K

1



### R

- I

- S

- T

- I

- N

- A, Lynn, L

- Y

- N

- N. 2



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 3


### Just checking again for Zach Gargura and 4



### Jim Ball. 5



### Okay. Great, thank you very much. If 6


### you would like to come forward. 7



### And is there a Colin Reese here or Kevin 8



### -- he can come in the next group. 9



### DR . BALL: I have written copies. Do you 10



### guys want them? 11


### MR. BARRON: You can leave any written 12


### copies of testimony with the registration desk. 13


### DR. BALL: Registration desk, okay. 14



### MR. BARRON: And before you start, next 15


### up will be Alfonso Lopez and Er ic Klein. 16



### Please go ahead. 17


### DR. BALL: My name is the Reverend Dr. 18



### Jim Ball, Executive Vice President of the 19


### Evangelical Environmental Network. I ask that my 20



### full written statement be included in the record. 21


### MR. BARRON: Okay, certainly. 22

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### DR. BALL: Thank you for the opportunity 1


### to testify before you today and for your service 2



### to our country. 3


### Climate change is one of the great moral 4


### challenges of our age, but overcoming this 5



### challenge also represents one of the most 6


### strategic opportunities to creat e a better world 7



### that will come before us in our lifetimes. 8


### We are grateful that President Obama has 9


### risen to meet this challenge. His Climate Action 10


### Plan will help overcome climate change in ways 11


### that could position America to lead the world in 12



### the com ing clean energy revolution, create good 13


### jobs here in America, reduce pollution that fouls 14


### our air and makes our water impure, protect the 15


### health of our children, and build resiliency to 16


### the consequences of climate change both here and 17


### in vulnerable poor n ations. 18


### A key part of President Obama's climate 19



### efforts is the EPA's Clean Power Plan. When 20


### coupled with proper EPA regulation of methane 21


### leaks in the oil and gas sector, the plan is an 22

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### essential step, the most important one we will 1



### have made to date in overcoming climate change. 2


### More than anything, this shows our 3


### nation's resolve that we are finally getting 4


### serious, that our journey has now begun in 5


### earnest, and there's no turning back. This by 6


### itself will spur innovation and investment in the 7



### market place. 8


### The plan itself should provide states 9


### with maximum flexibility to meet their carbon 10


### reduction goals. EEN's carbon reduction policy 11


### preference is to utilize market

- based mechanisms 12


### to price carbon. As such, we ask the EPA to 13



### include in the final rule explicit language 14


### assuring states that a carbon tax

-- slash

-- 15


### pollution fee would be an acceptable way to meet 16


### its obligations if it chose to do so. 17



### While the Clean Power Plan is essential, 18


### many more steps would be needed to ensure it is 19



### America t hat leads the clean energy revolution, 20


### our country must make much bigger investments in 21


### basic R and D, not only in energy efficiency and 22

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### clean energy technologies but in how our thinking 1



### can be set free from the self

- imposed silos we've 2



### created between ene rgy research and, say, 3


### information technology. 4


### During the Cold War years our country 5


### spent 6 percent of GDP on national defense. 6


### Overcoming climate change and leading the clean 7


### energy revolution are arguably as important as 8


### winning the Cold War. We mus t be ready to spend 9


### Cold War level funding if that's what it takes. 10



### We haven't even begun to scratch the 11



### surface of one of the greatest assets a free 12


### country like ours possesses, our own creativity. 13


### And it is our inquisitive freedom loving nature 14



### that sh ould have us leading the way. 15


### Every single one of our ancestors, 16


### beginning at least 18,000 years ago when groups 17


### traversed the land bridge over the Bearing Strait 18



### came from somewhere else in search of a better 19


### life. It's literally in our DNA to look b eyond 20



### the horizon, to sail oceans and ford rivers, and 21


### climb mountains, and even go to the moon. It's 22

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### who we are as a people, as Americans. 1


### We may be a nation of settlers, but we're 2



### not a nation of those who settle for second best, 3



### for the status quo. We're strivers. We believe 4



### we can create a better future. We believe also 5


### that each person is created equal, that all 6



### should be free to use our God

- given gifts, and 7


### abilities, and creativity to make a better life. 8


### It is these qualities and values we sh are 9



### that make us the ones to lead the world in the 10


### clean energy revolution, a revolution that will 11


### benefit every single person, indeed every single 12



### creature on the plant. 13


### Overcoming climate change and leading the 14


### clean energy revolution is the next cause of 15



### freedom. Efforts like the President's Climate 16



### Action Plan and the EPA's Clean Power Plan are, 17


### therefore, profound acts of patriotism. Thank 18



### you. 19



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. Do 20


### make sure we get your copies for the record. 21



### Great. Excellent. 22

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### Next up we have Alfonso Lopez. Then we 1


### have Virginia and Eric Klein. 2



### MR. LOPEZ: Good afternoon. I'm Alfonso 3


### Lopez. I'm a member of the Virginia House of

-- 4



### MR. BARRON: Hold one moment, please. We 5


### have another speaker. We've been trying to do 6



### t hem in pairs. And then you can go ahead and 7


### join them and then we'll just go on. 8


### MR. LOPEZ: Okay. She goes first? 9



### MR. BARRON: No, no, you can. 10



### MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Hello, I'm Alfonso 11


### Lopez, and I'm a member of the Virginia House of 12



### Delegates. Desp ite the best efforts in some 13


### corners to ignore it, climate change is a problem 14


### that threatens the Commonwealth of Virginia. Now 15


### whether it's the economic repercussions of sea 16


### level rise on Virginia's coastline, the health 17


### consequences of breathing pollute d air, or the 18



### threat of more extreme weather conditions, 19


### climate change is having an impact on the day

- to

20


### day lives of citizens of the Commonwealth. 21


### At this time Virginia's coastal region is 22

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### experiencing the highest rates of sea level rise 1


### along the enti re east coast of the United States. 2


### In fact, Hampton Roads area is second only to New 3


### Orleans in its vulnerability to sea level 4


### impacts. The Norfolk

- Virginia Beach Metropolitan 5



### area is ranked 10th in the world in the value of 6


### assets exposed to the increa se in flooding from 7



### sea level rise. 8


### We cannot afford to wait any longer to 9


### take action on climate change in Virginia. Our 10



### economy, health, and long

- term quality of life 11



### rest in the balance. 12


### According to the most recent estimates by 13



### the CDC 8.7 percent of Virginia's adult 14


### population suffers from asthma. In the past 15


### three decades the percentage of Americans with 16


### asthma has more than doubled, and climate change 17


### is putting those Americans at greater risk of 18


### landing in the hospital. 19



### In 2012 25 million me tric tons of carbon 20


### pollution were emitted from power plants in the 21


### Commonwealth, equal to the year pollution from 22

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### over 5 million cars. This is simply 1



### unacceptable. 2


### We have a moral obligation to address 3



### this crisis now so that we do not leave our 4



### childr en in an environment that's polluted and 5


### damaged beyond repair. 6



### For these reasons I have already strongly 7


### urged the Virginia Department of Environmental 8


### Quality to adopt the guidelines of the 9



### President's Clean Power Plan to address climate 10


### change in th e U.S. 11


### The EPA's goal is to reduce nationwide 12


### carbon emissions 30 percent below 2005 levels by 13


### 2030. This is a reasonable and modest goal that 14


### we can help achieve. Our recent carbon emissions 15


### in Virginia, 32 percent below 2012 levels by 16



### 2030. 17



### Fortuna tely, Virginia is already working 18


### to cut emissions in these areas by increasing 19


### renewable energy generation and improving energy 20


### efficiency throughout the Commonwealth. We have 21


### a stated goal of generating 15 percent of our 22

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### electricity from renewable energ y by 2025. In 1


### 2009 the Obama administration supported or has 2


### supported 87 renewable energy projects in the 3


### Commonwealth. They're now generating enough 4



### energy to power more than 2,000 homes. However, 5


### we should be doing a great deal more to expand 6


### Virgini a's solar and offshore wind capacity. 7


### Virginia is already currently working to 8


### boost energy efficiency across the Commonwealth 9


### with a goal of cutting energy waste by 10 percent 10



### in 2022 relative to 2006 levels. 11


### Virginia’s localities are also taking the 12


### initiative to increase energy efficiency as well. 13


### One example is my home in Arlington County. The 14


### county has committed to reducing its energy 15


### intensity in public buildings 20 percent by 2020 16


### as part of the President's Better Buildings 17



### Challenge. To date Arlington has already 18


### achieved improved energy performance of 12 19



### percent. 20


### One other example is our flagship 21


### university, the University of Virginia, which is 22

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### committed to the same goal in 15 million square 1


### feet of university buildings. 2



### In recent years Virginia's utility 3


### companies have also determined that it is more 4



### cost effective to convert or shut down 20 of 5


### their oldest and dirtiest coal fired power 6



### plants. In fact

-- in fact, between 2008 and 7


### 2011 carbon emissions from Virginia's power 8



### sector decre ased by over 20 percent. 9



### However, while we take

-- have taken some 10


### important first steps to shrink carbon emissions 11


### in the Commonwealth, we can and should be doing 12



### so much more to build on this momentum and reduce 13


### carbon pollution. 14


### Luckily, the Clean P ower Plan gives 15


### Virginia the flexibility and autonomy to continue 16


### our success in crafting Virginia's specific plan 17


### to meet our goals. In addition to helping avoid 18


### the negative consequences of climate change, 19


### bringing down carbon emissions will create new 20


### clean energy jobs and grow our economy in 21


### Virginia. 22

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### Neighboring states have already installed 1


### solar capacity at rates 10 to 100 times higher 2


### than the Commonwealth. This untapped solar 3


### capacity means that there is a tremendous 4


### opportunity for Virginia to develop a robust 5


### solar energy market that will create new jobs 6


### throughout Virginia. 7


### Virginia's offshore wind resources are 8



### also abundant and unused. The build out of 9



### offshore wind lease area for the first such lease 10


### in the mid Atlantic could provide as many as 11


### 10,000 clean energy jobs and power 700,000 homes 12


### with pollution

- free energy. 13


### Additionally, energy efficiency programs 14


### are the most cost effective way for utility 15


### companies to meet growing demand for electricity. 16


### This program can also reduce

-- or strengthen our 17


### economy by creating local jobs that cannot be 18



### outsourced. 19


### Moreover, according to the NREC, modeling 20


### by 2020 alone limits on carbon pollution could 21


### create more than 5,600 new jobs in Virginia and 22

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### contribute 517 million in energy savings for 1


### Virginia households. 2


### The solution is great. Implementing this 3


### proposal is an important opportunity for the 4


### Commonwealth of Virginia to address the impacts 5


### of climate change while growing our economy, 6


### creating a more sustainable energy future, and 7



### p reserving our environment for future 8


### generations. 9



### I have already urged DBQ and the 10


### McAuliffe administration to give this proposal 11


### every consideration. As a proud member of the 12


### Virginia General Assembly, I look forward to 13


### working with you to fully enact the guidelines 14



### for President Obama's Clean Power Plan here

-- or 15


### across the river in the Commonwealth. Thank you 16



### very much. 17



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 18



### Could you spell your name, please? 19



### Sorry. 20



### MR. LOPEZ: Alfonso Lopez, A

- L

- F, as in 21



### Frank

- O

- N

- S, as in Sam

- O, L

- O

- P

- E

- Z. 22

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### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 1


### MR. KLEIN: Hi, I just want to say that 2


### this clean energy proposal for power plant 3


### regulation of CO2 is an important but small first 4


### step in helping to switch over to a green economy 5


### which is strong ly needed because climate change 6


### is the biggest issue that we face right now. 7


### It's an extinction level event which has just 8


### started; and it is something that we need to take 9


### very seriously. Switching to a green economy 10


### will not only create jobs and help the economy, 11


### but it will help future generations who otherwise 12


### will be threatened seriously in their very 13



### survival. 14



### And I guess that's all I have to say. I 15


### yield the remainder of the time. 16



### MR. BARRON: Great. 17



### MR. KLEIN: Thank you. 18



### MR. BARRON: Th ank you very much. Before 19



### you leave, could we get you to spell your name as 20



### well? 21


### MR. KLEIN: Okay. Eric Klein, E

- R

- I

- C, 22

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### K

- L

- E

- I

- N. 1



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 2



### MR. KLEIN: Thank you very much. 3



### MR. BARRON: Next up we have Gerry

-- 4



### Gerry Ful ler and Jim Schulman. And following 5


### them will be Claudia Malloy and Teja Sathi. 6


### And just a reminder, if you can state 7


### your name and spell it before you start? 8


### MR. FULLER: Yes, my name is Gerry 9



### Fuller. It's spelled G

- E

- R

- R

- Y, F

- U

- L

- L

- E

- R. 10


### Regulatio ns that promote clean power are 11


### important to me. I am an asthmatic. I know 12


### better than most people what it's like not to be 13


### able to breathe clean air, what it's like to gasp 14


### because airways have shut down in response to bad 15



### air. Most of the time it's so easy to take 16


### breathing for granted. We do it about 20 times a 17


### minute day and night and never give it a thought. 18



### But when you can't

-- when you have to 19


### gasp and strain and are unable to do anything 20



### else

-- even think

-- because you can't get a 21



### good brea th, then you know just how important it 22

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### is to have regulations to protect clean air. 1


### I like too bicycle and jog. I have 2


### learned that they are essential to my mental and 3


### emotional health, but when a Code Orange alert is 4



### announced, I can't. I have to sta y inside and 5



### guard carefully what I do. 6


### I realize that there are people who don't 7



### care much about clean air. Some choose to smoke. 8


### Some have businesses that produce pollution. 9


### Many want the cheapest energy possible. It might 10


### seem that my asthma is a personal problem that 11



### doesn't affect them, but over the course of my 12


### lifetime we have learned that despite the deniers 13


### smoking does kill. 14



### Even my brother

- in

- law Dick who was 15


### convinced that smoking wasn't hurting him and 16


### besides he just couldn't stop unti l lung cancer 17


### stopped him. 18



### I have come to think that we asthmatics 19


### may be the canaries in the coal mine. We are 20


### here to remind you that despite the deniers, 21



### clean air does matter. It is a matter of life 22

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### and breath. 1



### I'm also a grandfather. Here's a p icture 2


### of my daughter's two children, Tobin and Camwin 3


### [phonetic]. What we do

-- what you do matters to 4


### my grandchildren. The world is changing. Cities 5



### grow ever larger. The demand for more energy 6


### seems insatiable knowing how much the world has 7



### changed in my lifetime, it's hard for me to 8


### imagine the world that Camwin and Tobin will live 9


### in when they are my age. 10



### But I do know for certain that I don't 11


### want that world to be dirtier, smog filled, or 12



### more polluted. 13


### Individually, I try to do my part. Eve n 14


### though I live in a high

- rise condo I participate 15


### in Arlington County's Urban Composting Program. 16


### I routinely separate recyclables from garbage. I 17


### take care to properly dispose of batteries and 18



### computer components. 19



### That's not how I grew up. When I wa s a 20


### kid, we just took everything to the dump. But 21


### now we know that that approach is no longer good 22

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### enough. 1


### Human beings are capable of change even 2


### though it may be hard, even though change might 3



### seem unnecessary or uncomfortable for some, today 4



### I'm as king you to do your part to make the 5


### changes. We can transition from dirty to clean 6


### energy. We can do it aggressively. States can 7



### and should meet new standards for clean, cost 8


### efficient renewable energy. We must empower 9



### workers and communities to trans ition to a clean 10



### energy economy. 11



### As we continue to learn about what 12


### impacts our environment, that knowledge must be 13


### incorporated into new stronger and more effective 14


### regulations. My grandchildren, Tobin and Camwin, 15


### need a sustainable, strong, clean powe r plan, one 16


### that encourages and, when necessary, requires 17


### that everything and everyone do all they can to 18


### protect, indeed to restore this wonderful blue 19


### wide marble planet. Thank you. 20



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 21



### MR. SCHULMAN: Good afternoon, EP A 22

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### leaders and staff. My name is Jim Schulman, 1



### formally spelled J

- A

- M

- E

- S, S

- C

- H

- U

- L

- M

- A

- N. 2



### I am an active member of the D.C. Sierra 3



### Club, the Sierra Waste Committee. I am also the 4



### Treasurer and a member of the Board of Directors 5


### of the Building Materia ls Reuse Association. The 6


### BMRA is the leading proponent for the 7


### deconstruction and building material reuse 8



### industries. 9


### Community Forklift, a used materials 10


### business in the Hyattsville, Maryland, area, 11


### which I founded is a typical BMRA member. 12


### Community Forklift is a net negative carbon 13


### emitter due to the fact that extraction of virgin 14


### raw materials and energy for manufacturing are 15


### not used in the processing of the large quantity 16


### of salvaged building materials sold there. 17


### I believe that building materi al reuse is 18


### a significant element of our energy future. And 19


### the building materials ought to be designed and 20


### manufactured for multiple useful lives. 21


### The BMRA itself is a proud member of the 22

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### American Sustainable Business Council. The ASBC 1



### currently rep resents over 175,000 large and small 2


### triple bond buying businesses in America. 3



### The ASBC was extremely pleased to be able to 4


### host Administrator Gina McCarthy as a keynote 5


### speaker at its annual business summit last year. 6


### The ASBC is highly supportive of t he EPA's 7


### efforts to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from 8



### power plants. The ASBC has also urged the State 9


### Department to disapprove construction of the 10


### Keystone XL Pipeline to pump tar sands oil from 11



### Canada. 12



### In general, the BMRA and ASBC are 13


### supportive of EPA's significant and comprehensive 14


### efforts to regulate gases and contribute to 15


### climate change. 16


### I speak now regarding some particulars of 17


### the Clean Power Plan not representing any 18


### organization but as a citizen. 19


### First, the inclusion of the option fo r 20


### states to work together in regional groups is 21


### extremely important. It reflects the economic 22

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### and ecological realities of the retail wielding 1


### of power and pollution across state lines. 2


### I appreciate the coal ash waste disposal 3


### reductions could be a major silent epithet of the 4


### standard. It will reduce the toxicity of 5



### citizens' land, air, and water over and above 6



### smokestack emission reductions. 7


### I also note the reference in the plan to 8


### the consideration that EPA will give to possible 9



### greenhouse gas reduct ions from land use and 10


### agricultural waste management improvements. 11


### Acknowledging that better land use and waste 12


### management planning can be ways for states to 13


### minimize overall emissions is a route that I hope 14



### some states will take to address the emissions 15



### c ost of sprawl and unnecessary ag waste burning 16



### that they create. 17



### I am extremely pleased to see that there 18


### is not a strong emphasis in this plan on carbon 19


### capture and storage or enhanced oil recovery for 20


### that matter. Since EPA has identified the high 21



### cos t of retrofitting existing plants for this 22

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### purpose, the long term efficacy of carbon capture 1


### and storage is, I believe, unproven. 2


### Because the generation of energy from 3


### burning waste is proven to be less efficient than 4


### burning fossil fuels, I hope that t he proposed 5



### standard will also lead to a reduction in waste 6


### to energy projects otherwise known as 7


### incineration. This would be a major enhancement 8


### to U.S. environmental protection. 9


### As a resident of the Capitol Hill 10


### neighborhood of Washington, D.C., I urg e that the 11


### proposed standard be amended to include in its 12


### scope the regulation of existing government

- owned 13


### or operated power plants like the Capitol

-- the 14


### Capitol Power Plant. That facility still 15


### occasionally burns coal near where we are today. 16



### Please do not exempt federal or any 17



### unused District of Columbia based facilities from 18


### this standard. There is no question in my mind 19


### that the architect of the Capitol should be 20


### required to comply with National EPA regulations. 21


### Ultimately, if fossil fuel gener ating 22

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### capacity, including natural gas keeps growing 1


### along with the efficiency with which it is 2


### produced, the U.S. will fail to achieve the 3


### objective of cleaning our air. We need to reduce 4


### the burning of fossil fuels, not merely make 5


### burning them more effi cient. 6


### As a nation I have every confidence that 7


### we can break our addiction to dirty energy, dirty 8


### electricity, and gas

- powered automobile use, but 9


### we have been unsuccessfully applying the 10


### equivalent of a nicotine patch for a generation. 11


### It is time to go cold turkey and implement this 12


### flexible carbon reduction plan. 13


### Thank you for this opportunity to share 14


### my views. 15



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. Please 16


### feel free to leave copies of your remarks with 17


### the registration desk if you haven't done so 18



### alre ady. 19


### I think we're going to

-- we'll proceed 20


### with the group we have before us and then the 21



### next two will be Lara Levinson

-- Levison, sorry 22

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### -- and Mollie Simon. And then we may adjourn for 1


### a brief break at that point so everyone can have 2



### a little stretc h. 3



### So, whenever you're ready, please spell 4


### your name so we can have it accurate in the 5



### record. 6


### MS. MALLOY: Sure. My name is Claudia 7



### Malloy, C

- L

- A

- U

- D

- I

- A, M

- A

- L

- L

- O

- Y. I’m with the 8


### National Wildlife Federation, and I'm here today 9


### to give the testimo ny of Elizabeth Dell from 10


### Traverse City, Michigan. And Elizabeth's name is 11



### Elizabeth and then D

- E

- L

- L. 12


### An April 2014 survey by Yale Climate 13


### Project on Change Communication shows that 68 14


### percent of Americans support regulating carbon 15


### dioxide as a polluta nt. Reducing carbon 16


### pollution is essential to avoid the worst 17


### consequences of global warming. 18


### In my hometown of Traverse City, 19


### Michigan, we felt these consequences deeply two 20


### years ago when our region's cherry crop was 21



### devastated. March temperatures so ared to the 80s 22

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### causing early bud development followed by many 1


### nights of below freezing temperatures that killed 2



### the buds. 3


### Michigan's changing climate has made a 4


### negative impasse besides to agriculture. Warmer 5


### and shorter winters harm our snow sport ind ustry. 6



### While ski areas can sometimes make snow, 7


### snowmobiling is completely dependent on snowfall. 8


### The weather's unpredictability can be a deterrent 9



### for all users. 10


### Michigan's sport fishing industry valued 11


### at $4 billion is at risk due to rising water 12



### tem peratures on lakes, streams, and rivers. It 13


### is harmful to many sport fishing species. 14


### Our state has experienced major 15


### infrastructure damage due to extreme rain events, 16


### washing away roads and bridges. 17



### We have understood for decades the 18


### detrimental impa cts of carbon pollution on our 19


### health. Reducing emissions from coal plants will 20


### save lives and improve the quality of life in our 21



### communities. 22

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### Global warming is a crisis unlike many 1



### we've known and demands a response commensurate 2


### with its urgency. Howe ver, since Congress has 3


### failed to lead on this problem, the EPA must step 4



### in to do what it can. 5



### The Clean Power Plan offers states the 6


### flexibility to achieve carbon pollution 7


### reductions in ways that can adjust their state's 8


### particular situation. Many states are already 9


### actively moving forward to reduce emissions. And 10


### this will further support their efforts. 11


### It creates an opportunity to innovate, 12


### increase investment in clean energy and advance 13



### the United States to become a leader in the new 14



### energy ec onomy. 15


### We must stop throwing money and lives 16


### away through our own actions. As Lau Tzu said, 17


### if you do not change direction, you may end up 18


### where you are heading. It's long past time to 19


### change direction, but better now than later. 20



### I support the EPA's Clean Power Plan. 21



### Thank you. 22

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### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 1


### MS. SATHI: Hi, my name is Teja Sathi, 2



### and I'm spelled T

- E

- J

- A, S

- A

- T

- H

- I. 3



### MR. BARRON: Thank you. 4


### MS. SATHI: My name is Teja Sathi, and I 5


### am a senior at Thomas Jefferson High School for 6


### Science and Technology in Alexandria, Virginia. I 7


### am the President of the Environmental Impact Club 8


### at my school and a Youth Leader with the Alliance 9



### for Climate Education or ACE. 10


### I can't trace my identity as a climate 11


### optimist to one particular even t in my life. 12


### Environmentalism came culturally to me. I grew 13


### up with grandparents who harvest rainwater, take 14


### bucket baths, and creatively recycle. 15



### Conservation is instinctive to me. 16



### So when I learned about the Clean Power 17



### Plan, I thought that makes s ense. Why hasn't it 18



### already been done? 19


### Citing Albert Einstein: Problems cannot 20



### be solved with the same mindset that created 21


### them. We have already established that the 22

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### problem we face is the unacceptable level of 1


### carbon emissions from coal fired power plants, 2


### the largest source of carbon dioxide emissions in 3


### the U.S. The mindset that made this problem 4


### worse is putting the economy first and people's 5


### health second during industrialization. 6



### Now that we have technology that doesn't 7



### endanger consumer h ealth it's time to break free 8



### from that mindset and reduce carbon emissions 9



### from power plants. 10



### In order to do this we need to reduce our 11


### demand for dirty energy. We should look into 12


### demand response strategies and smart grid systems 13


### that monitor the usag e of electricity by 14


### consumers in order to lower energy consumption. 15


### An even more sustainable option is using 16



### renewable energy sources. I'm a huge solar power 17


### enthusiast. It's the largest energy resource on 18


### earth, and we're not taking advantage of it. 19


### The solar industry has been the fastest 20


### growing industry in the power sector during the 21


### past eight years. At the same time, the price of 22

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### solar energy has been steadily decreasing from 1


### over to 20 to about 11 cents per kilowatt hour. 2


### Energy efficiency pr ograms have typically 3


### delivered cost effective savings of 2.5 cents per 4



### kilowatt hour or less than half the cost of 5



### fossil fuel alternatives. 6


### This industry is also responsible for 7


### creating jobs at a greater rate than the general 8


### rate of jobs in America. 9


### We need more encouragement for projects 10


### like the Sunshine Initiative put forth by the 11


### Department of Energy. While designing new solar 12


### technology is not in the hands of every person in 13


### the United States, advocating for the 14


### installation of solar panels is. And that's what 15


### I have been working on during high school. 16


### I am a student. I spend most of my time 17


### during the school year at school or thinking 18


### about school. The 1.8 million youth that I 19



### represent through ACE today are students as well. 20



### Schools a re big places where we can make change 21



### happen. My school has solar panels, but there 22

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### are very few other schools in the county that do 1



### -- in my county that do. 2



### We traced the reason for this back to 3


### soft costs which are the expenses that are not 4


### directly related to the construction of solar 5



### panels. In order to lower soft costs and 6



### encourage more schools and people to go solar, we 7


### need easier and more efficient cost fees in place 8


### to deal with permitting and integration. 9


### My club and I are working with our School 10


### Board to make these positive things happen. But 11



### other counties across the nation can benefit from 12


### authority telling them to do so. 13


### The EPA has taken the right step with the 14


### Clean Power Plan that is projected to reduce 15


### carbon emissions by 30 perc ent of the 2005 levels 16


### by the year 2030. I urge the EPA to issue an 17


### ambitious final carbon pollution standard for 18


### existing power plants to address the main cause 19


### of climate change and to protect our health from 20


### its devastating impacts. 21



### I am here today leading the fight against 22

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### climate change and doing my part by testifying at 1


### this public hearing and the previous one engaging 2


### in our democratic process by campaigning for more 3


### just, more sustainable future for all of our 4



### schools and communities. 5



### I am ho peful that the EPA will do its 6


### part in protecting my generation and those yet to 7


### come by issuing the strictest carbon standard 8


### possible. Thank you. 9



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 10


### I think we'll have two more speakers and 11



### then we'll take a short bre ak. The first is Lara 12



### Levison, and the second is Mollie Simon. 13


### MS. LEVISON: Hi, my name is Lara 14



### Levison. That's L

- A

- R

- A, L

- E

- V

- I

- S

- O

- N. Thank 15


### you for this opportunity to testify. First, let 16


### me say that I am testifying as a private citizen 17



### not on beh alf of my employer, the U.S. Climate 18


### Action Network, which doesn't take positions. 19


### Thank you to EPA and the Administration 20


### for moving forward with standards to reduce 21


### carbon pollution from power plants. 22

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### This morning I ate breakfast with my 1



### four

- year

- old Goddaughter, Johanna, who is 2


### visiting me for a few days, and I wondered what 3


### her future will be like as climate change 4


### transforms human society and the planet. Johanna 5


### is in her princess phase, and she came to 6


### breakfast wearing her tiara. So she has quite a 7


### rosy view of her own future right now. 8



### I fear for my Goddaughter and her 9


### contemporaries, yet the solutions, both 10


### technological and social, are at hand. To quote 11



### a TV show of my youth and to really date myself, 12



### we have the technology. You know w hat that show 13


### is, guys? All right. 14



### MR. BARRON: You're welcome to

- – 15



### (Laughter) 16



### MS. LEVISON: Sorry? 17



### MR. BARRON: You're welcome to state it 18


### for the record if you would like. 19



### MS. LEVISON: Six Million Dollar Man. 20



### What we need to do is overcome th e 21


### political and institutional barriers to energy 22

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### efficiency, renewable energy, and distributed 1


### energy based in our communities, and the 2


### technologies will continue to develop. 3


### I'd like to give an example from my own 4


### experience, which is the tremendous gr owth of 5


### renewable energy in the State of Iowa. In the 6


### 1990's I worked for an organization called the 7



### Union of Concerned Scientists which issued a 8


### study called Power Grid Midwest and launched a 9


### public education program called Renewables are 10



### Ready. 11



### Iowa a lready had a renewable electricity 12


### requirement in law thanks to a far

- sighted state 13


### legislator, Dave Osterberg, who pushed it through 14


### in 1983. Twelve years later in 1995 the electric 15


### utility serving Iowa under were pressure to 16


### comply with the law, and the y had exhausted their 17



### methods of appeal. 18


### So they went to the legislature to get 19


### the law repealed. My organization joined with 20


### Renewable Energy Support in Iowa to block repeal 21


### of that law, and it was kept. Now Iowa is a 22

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### leader nationwide and worldwide i n wind energy 1


### and politicians across the spectrum in Iowa 2


### support wind energy and renewable energy. So, 3


### this is a stay the course story here. 4


### Just as public support and public policy 5


### drove renewable energy development in Iowa, the 6



### Clean Power Plan can d rive renewables and 7


### efficiency around the country. 8


### I applaud EPA for BSER building blocks 3 9



### and 4 and encourage EPA to strengthen them. For 10



### renewable energy block 3, EPA's assessment of 11


### renewable energy potential can be significantly 12


### higher. Renewables are ready. The 29 states 13


### with renewable portfolio studies have been 14


### achieving renewable targets that increase at 1 to 15


### 1.5 percent of state retail electricity sales per 16



### year. 17


### U.S. solar total of voltaic's capacity 18


### has increased significantly, nearly ten fold since 19



### 2009. We are truly on the verge of the solar 20



### revolution. 21



### The vehemence with which electric 22

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### utilities and fossil fuel companies are fighting 1


### distributed solar power is an indicator of the 2


### potential it has to displace polluting 3


### centralized powe r stations with distributed solar 4


### power that is clean, safe, reliable, and 5



### affordable. 6



### MR. BARRON: Better

-- 7



### MS. LEVISON:

-- skip some parts. 8


### For BSER block 4 on energy efficiency, 9


### EPA has rightly recognized that energy efficiency 10



### is the most cost effective resource to reduce 11


### emissions. This building block should also be 12



### strengthened. 13


### EPA set the annual state efficiency 14


### targets at 1.5 percent, but the utility energy 15


### programs have been demonstrated to deliver over 2 16


### percent in annual energy saving s. Other 17


### opportunities for energy efficiency, including 18


### transmission and distribution system efficiency 19



### should also be included. 20


### Sustainable energy technologies can help 21


### transform our society to a healthier and more 22

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### equitable one by providing community jobs, 1


### cleaning up the air, reducing energy costs, and 2


### turning over the generation of electrical power 3



### to families, churches, and schools. 4


### I encourage EPA to examine this draft 5


### also through an environmental justice lens to 6



### make sure that the standard is d esigned to 7


### maximize its benefits for all Americans including 8


### frontline communities located next to polluting 9



### power plants. 10



### And I want to second what Jim Schulman 11


### said about covering plants that aren't covered 12



### -- not currently covered like the Capitol Po wer 13



### Plant. 14


### But anyway, I wish we would, since I also 15


### live on Capitol Hill. 16


### Finally, in light of the global challenge 17


### on climate change, I encourage EPA to increase 18



### the total emissions reductions under the Clean 19



### Power Plan. The goal of the Clean Power Plan 20


### should be to reduce emissions by 30 to 40 percent 21


### below 2005 emissions by the year 2020. That's 30 22

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### to 45 percent below 2005 emissions by 2020. 1



### My four

- year

- old Goddaughter and her 2


### friends are counting on you. So is my 14

- year

3



### old niece, Antonia, though she would be deeply 4



### mortified if she knew I had mentioned her here. 5


### Thank you for considering my views. 6



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much. 7


### MS. SIMON: Hello, my name is Mollie 8



### Simon. That's M

- O

- L

- L

- I

- E, S

- I

- M

- O

- N. 9



### Hello. Thank you for the o pportunity to 10


### speak today. My name is Mollie Simon, and I'm a 11


### recent graduate of Villanova University. I 12


### currently work as a Climate and Energy Intern at 13



### National Wildlife Federation. 14


### I'm here today to speak in favor of the 15



### EPA's Clean Power Plan and t he limits on carbon 16


### pollution for existing power plants. 17


### I, among millions of conservation 18



### advocates across the country, am alarmed by what 19


### the future holds for our nation's people, 20



### wildlife, and the natural resources on which we 21


### all depend if we do not act now to address 22

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### climate change and carbon pollution. Our 1


### wildlife and natural places are suffering. It is 2


### passed time that we change course and reshape our 3



### energy future so that we are not dependent on 4


### climate altering pollution. 5



### I am proud to be a native of 6


### Pennsylvania. It is biking through Fairmont Park 7


### and hiking in the Poconos where I developed the 8


### conservation values that guide me each day. It is 9


### with this on my mind that I speak to urge the EPA 10


### to finalize a bold and impressive plan to reduce 11


### the carbon pollution that fuels climate change 12



### and threatens the treasured landscapes that I 13



### know and love. 14


### I also speak today as a person of faith. 15


### I believe that acting to address climate change 16


### and pollution which often disproportionately 17



### plagues th e most vulnerable in our communities is 18


### a responsibility that we all share as stewards of 19



### creation. 20


### I along with many other millennialists 21


### see climate change as the challenge of our 22

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### generation, a challenge that touches issues 1


### beyond just conservation

-- from natural security 2



### to the economy. 3


### I would like to urge the EPA to continue 4


### to work with states to put in place plans that 5


### will encourage even more renewable energy and 6


### energy efficiency development rather than 7


### incentivizing the expansion of other f ossil fuels 8


### like natural gas that only furthers our 9


### dependence on carbon polluting fuels. 10



### Now is the time to set forward a bold 11


### energy vision for this country using all the 12


### tools we have at our disposal. 13


### I want to thank the EPA for showing 14


### leadership on addressing climate change and 15


### moving forward with setting standards for carbon 16


### pollution from existing power plants. I look 17


### forward to a day when America is no longer bound 18


### to the dirty fossil fuel energy but powered by 19



### clean renewable energy. Thank y ou. 20



### MR. BARRON: Thank you very much for 21


### taking the time today, both of you. 22

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### I think it might be appropriate to take a 1



### short break. So I think we'll take a 15

- minute 2


### break and that would have us reconvening at 4:10 3



### for any

-- 4



### (Brief recess. ) 5



### EVENING SESSION 6



### EPA PANEL 3 7


### MR. PAGE: Good evening, everybody. 8


### Thank you for being here. My name is Steve Page, 9



### and I am the Director of the Office of Air 10


### Quality, Planning, and Standards in the Office of 11



### Air and Radiation, the office

-- one of the 12


### office that had primary responsibility for 13


### developing the proposal for the Clean Power Plan. 14


### And with me tonight we've got a couple of 15



### other folks who

-- you guys introduce yourselves 16



### and

-- 17


### MR. ESCHMANN: My name is Erich Eschmann 18



### in the Office of Atm ospheric Programs. 19


### MR. ELMAN: And I'm Barry Elman in the 20


### Office of Policy. 21


### MR. PAGE: And the reason we're speaking 22

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### so officially into the microphone is that we have 1


### a court reporter, which is relevant for you all 2


### because everything that you say tonig ht will be 3


### in your testimony will be transcribed and 4


### submitted as part of the record. 5


### And I've got a little bit more 6


### information on that before we get started. I 7


### have to, which is part of my formal duties, read 8


### the opening statement here as is the custo m for 9



### all of the

-- the hearings that have been taking 10



### place. 11


### The other thing I'll tell you before we 12


### start is, speaking for myself, but I think for 13


### the other two, some people consider this one of 14


### the most important aspects of our jobs at EPA. 15



### We develo p a proposal, there are lots of 16


### different options we could have come out with, 17


### but for us putting it out there and getting 18


### public comment on it to us is really the most 19


### important part of the process for us. 20



### And then we come back and we take what 21



### comments we get, and we shape it up, and we 22

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### provide a sense of that to our bosses, the 1


### administrators, about the kind of public comment 2


### we got on the various issues, and then that's how 3


### the proposal then turns into a final. All right? 4



### And that's

-- makes it sou nds very 5


### simple. It's a long process, and it's very 6


### complicated, but this is essentially it. All 7


### right. 8


### So I am going to read this statement and 9


### then we're going to start in. We're here today 10


### to listen to your comments on two proposed rules 11



### to reduce carbon pollution from power plants. 12



### EPA announced both of these proposed rules on 13



### June 2nd, 2014. 14



### Power plants are the largest source of 15


### carbon pollution in the U.S., accounting for 16


### roughly one third of all domestic greenhouse gas 17



### emissions. The first rule is EPA's proposed 18


### Clean Power Plan for existing power plants. This 19


### proposal consists of two main parts: state 20


### specific goals to lower carbon pollution from 21


### power plants and guidelines to help states 22

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### develop their plans for meeting the goals. 1



### This proposal gives states flexibility in 2


### determining how to meet their goals. States will 3


### choose what goes into their plans that show how 4


### they will achieve the needed reductions and meet 5


### their goals by 2030. 6


### The second rule is EPA's proposed rule to 7



### address carbon dioxide emissions from modified 8


### and reconstructed power plants. This rule would 9


### set emissions limits for two groups of power 10


### plants, those that make physical or operational 11


### changes that increase the plant's maximum 12


### achievable hourly rate of emissi ons and those 13



### that replace components to such an extent that 14



### the new components exceed 50 percent of the 15


### capital cost of an entirely new comparable 16


### facility. 17


### If you would like more details on either 18



### of these proposed, there are fact sheets 19



### available near the registration desk where you 20



### came in. 21


### Today's hearing is one of four public 22

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### hearings the EPA is holding across the country 1


### this week on the two proposed rules. We've had 2


### tremendous interest in each of these hearings, 3


### and I would like to thank you al l again for 4


### taking time out of your day

-- and in this case 5


### evening

-- to join us and share your comments. 6


### We have many people signed up to speak, 7



### and we want to her from all of them, so before we 8


### get started, I will go through a few housekeeping 9



### items a nd ground rules that will make today's 10


### hearing run smoothly. 11


### First, please be sure that you've checked 12


### in with the registration desk even if you're not 13


### planning to speak today. And if you signed up to 14


### speak online or by phone but haven't told us that 15



### yo u're here, please step out to the registration 16



### desk and let the EPA staff know there that you've 17



### arrived. 18


### Second, if you are a speaker, you were 19


### given a room letter when you checked in, Room A 20


### or Room B. This is Room B. Are you

-- so the 21


### question for y ou is are you in the right room. 22

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### If not, this is a good time to switch. 1


### All right. Here's how we're going to 2


### work the hearing coming up. I will call the 3


### speakers up in pairs, and when your name is 4



### called, please come to the table at the front of 5



### the r oom. When I call on you to speak, please 6


### state your name and spell it for the court 7


### reporter. Your comments will be transcribed and 8



### included in the record of

-- in the record of 9


### comments on the proposed rule as I said earlier. 10


### Each speaker will have fi ve minute to 11


### give comments. We have a light to help you know 12


### how much time you have left to speak. 13


### Barry, where is the light? 14


### MR. ELMAN: It's right over here. 15



### MR. PAGE: Okay. Very good. Okay. 16


### There's where the light is. 17


### When the light turns from green to 18


### yellow, that means you have one minute. When it 19


### turns red, that's a signal to wrap up your 20


### testimony. The light will flash red and then 21


### beep when you have spoken for five minutes and 22

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### it's time to stop. 1


### When you're finished speaking, plea se 2


### remain at the table until the person next to you 3


### has completed his or her testimony. 4


### We are here to listen to you today, 5



### however, a panel member may ask you some 6


### questions to clarify any

-- some of your comments 7


### that you might have made. 8



### We will t hen call up the next pair of 9



### speakers and then so on. 10


### If you've brought a written copy of your 11


### testimony, please give that to the staff at the 12


### registration desk before you leave today. Those 13



### are very helpful for us. 14



### Because of the large number of peop le who 15


### signed up and to be fair to everyone, we're going 16


### to have to strictly enforce the five

- minute 17


### limit. If you have additional comments you'd 18


### like to make, you can submit them in writing. 19


### And let me assure you that EPA gives just as much 20



### consideratio n to comments we receive in writing 21


### as we do comments we receive at the public 22

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### hearings like this one. 1


### So if you have more that you would like 2


### to say, please submit it. Your comments will be 3



### reviewed. 4


### There is still plenty of time to get 5



### written comme nts in, and there are comment cards 6


### available at the registration desk. Comments 7


### must be received by October 16th, 2014. We'll 8


### put any written comments submitted today in the 9


### official docket for the proposed rule. 10


### Instructions for submitting written 11



### co mments in other ways are available at the 12


### materials table near the registration desk. 13


### We are scheduled to go till 8:00 o'clock 14


### tonight and

-- let's see. If

-- yeah, and if you 15


### have any questions during that time, please see 16


### the staff at the registration desk. Someone will 17



### try to help you. 18


### Finally, I want to ask each of you to 19



### please be respectful of everyone who speaks 20


### today. We have people with a wide variety of 21



### views in the audience, and we want to hear from 22

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### all of you. 1


### We ask that you listen qui etly and 2



### respectfully to everybody else so they can be 3


### heard. Even applause can slow things down, and 4


### we want to hear from everyone who has signed up 5



### to speak. 6


### Thank you again for taking the time to 7



### share your comments on EPA's proposed rules. 8



### Let's ge t started. 9


### The first speakers that we have tonight 10


### coming up two at a time are Charles Rories and 11



### Spencer Schecht. 12


### So just as a reminder, when I call on you 13


### to speak, please state your name and spell it for 14



### the court reporter. 15


### Charles, please begin. 16



### MR. RORIES: Charles Rories, 17



### R

- O

- R

- I

- E

- S. 18


### Good evening, my name is Charles Rories, 19


### and I live in Burke, Virginia. I am a biologist. 20


### I have done biomedical research at the Mayo 21



### Clinic's School of Medicine and the National 22

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### Cancer Institute, worked as a patent examiner at 1


### the U.S. Patent Office, and recently taught 2


### evening classes in introductory biology at 3


### Northern Virginia Community College. 4



### I want to thank the EPA for this 5


### opportunity to present my comments on the new 6


### proposed rule to limit carbon emissions from 7


### existing power plants. 8


### I believe that sharply reducing our 9



### emissions of carbon dioxide and methane is 10


### critical for our health and well being, for the 11


### economic future of our country, and to preserve 12


### the rich diversity of plant and animal li fe in 13



### our environment. 14



### I strongly approve of the new proposed 15


### rule and see it as a vital step towards reducing 16



### our use of fossil fuels. 17


### Global warming imposes on us an extensive 18


### list of harms to our health, our quality of life, 19



### our property, and the en vironment. In view of 20


### the high costs of these damages I ask that the 21


### proposed rule be made even stronger before it is 22

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### finalized. 1


### To reduce our emissions of greenhouse 2


### gases we must increase our use of renewable 3


### sources of electricity such as wind and so lar 4


### energy. Clean energy sources such as wind and 5


### solar power in combination with the smart grid 6


### can provide a significant share of energy demand, 7


### thereby reducing reliance on carbon emitting 8



### fuels. 9


### So I urge you to finalize the rule and 10



### strongly encour age the states to use renewable 11


### energy in compliance so that by 2030 the carbon 12


### emissions of the power sector can be reduced by 13



### up to 50 percent or more from today's levels. 14


### Coastal flooding, sea level rising is one 15


### of the most damaging effects of global warming. 16


### We can predict that millions of Americans who 17



### live in coastal areas will have to abandon their 18


### homes and move inland to escape flooding caused 19


### by rising sea levels. Enormous costs will be 20


### imposed as coastal cities recover from and 21


### protect again st flooding. 22

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### Many effects of global warming cannot be 1


### predicted. Some areas will receive more rain 2


### while other areas where people live and have 3


### farms may experience years of drought and 4


### desertification. Increasing temperatures, 5


### reduced yields of whea t and corn would stimulate 6


### the growth of many invasive weeds. Warmer 7


### temperatures and higher CO2 levels not only make 8


### poison ivy grow faster, but they stimulate it to 9


### produce higher levels of the oil that causes 10


### itching and blistering. 11


### Higher temperatur es also increase the 12


### spread of insect

- borne diseases. Mosquitoes that 13


### carry Dengue fever, West Nile virus, and malaria, 14


### and tics carrying Lyme disease are able to expand 15


### their ranges to higher latitudes and altitudes as 16


### temperatures rise. 17



### Warmer tempera tures also allow invasive 18



### and disease

- carrying insects to be active for 19


### more months of the year to survive the winters in 20


### greater numbers. And these entail with many 21



### health costs. 22

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### Likewise, the reaches of many plant pests 1



### and pathogens and the amount of harm that pests 2


### and pathogens do to crops also increase as 3



### temperatures grow warmer. 4


### The plants and animals in environmental 5


### ecosystems interact with each other in ways that 6


### are critical for their survival. Rising 7


### temperatures disrupt these networks of 8


### interactions in unpredictable ways with the 9


### inevitable result that many species that cannot 10


### adapt to the changing environment will become 11


### threatened and may go extinct. 12


### We see this happening already. For 13


### example, in Greenland many caribou calves died 14



### f rom lack of food because when the animals arrive 15


### at the feeding grounds, the plants that were once 16


### lush and plentiful there can no longer be found. 17


### The arrival of the caribou at the feeding grounds 18


### is regulated by day length, but the plants' 19


### growth is reg ulated by temperature. As a result 20


### of warming temperatures, the caribou's food 21


### plants have already flourished and died by the 22

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### time that the caribou arrive. So the calves must 1



### go hungry. 2



### For many years the U.S. and other 3


### industrialized nations have produ ced and used 4


### enormous quantities of fossil fuels and enjoyed 5


### the economic benefits thereof with no thought to 6


### the consequences of releasing carbon into the 7


### atmosphere. Those times are passed. 8



### As the world's greatest democracy, the 9



### U.S. must demonstrate foresight, responsibility 10


### and innovation in leading the world to develop a 11


### healthy economy that does not depend on burning 12



### carbon

- based fuels. 13


### Again, I want to applaud the EPA for 14


### developing these new proposed rules and urge you 15


### to continue boldly in thi s direction and set as 16


### high a standard as possible to reduce fossil fuel 17



### emissions and stimulate the use of renewable 18



### energy by the states. Thank you. 19


### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Mr. Rories. Mr. 20



### Schecht? 21



### MR. SCHECHT: Thank you for that perfect 22

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### pronunciati on of my name. My name is Spencer 1



### Schecht, S

- P

- E

- N

- C

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- R, S

- C

- H

- E

- C

- H

- T. 2


### Thank you all so much, everyone in this 3


### room and especially to you three who I presume 4


### have been here for many hours listening to people 5


### talk. That can be very trying. 6



### I did not plan on being here today. I 7


### was just walking by and I felt it was my

-- my 8


### duty to be here and sacrifice the time, my life 9



### to be here and talk about this issue because it 10


### is the most important issue of our time, and 11


### indeed of our species. 12



### I don't have a prepared statement, but I 13


### wrote down some things that I believe are very 14


### important. I

-- I grew up in Long Island, and I 15


### was there when Hurricane Sandy passed through and 16


### we were without power for five days. And I saw 17


### the gas lines that were going for hours and 18



### hours. 19



### It was

-- it was kind of like this 20


### glimpse of what the apocalypse might look like. 21



### People were really freaked out, and then the 22

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### power came back on, and the gas came back, 1


### everything was fine. We just went on with our 2



### lives and

-- and made me really realize that this 3



### -- this is what we can expect with climate 4



### change. And that compounded across the country 5


### and stretching our resources thin having to deal 6


### with these not on a century basis but on a decade 7


### or possibly yearly basis. 8



### We li ve in extraordinary times, and we 9


### have extraordinary opportunities available to us. 10



### We have massive control over the atom, over our 11


### bodies, and now over the fundamental habitability 12


### of this planet. 13


### The science has settled that releasing 14



### greenhouse gases into the atmosphere changes what 15



### we regard as nature, what we have thought to 16


### relinquish to the winds and the gods we know we 17


### cannot control over. And the biggest variable in 18


### these climate models is what are we going to do 19



### about it. 20


### So, what are we goi ng to do about it? 21


### The fate of the habitability of the planet is in 22

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### our hands, and that is not hyperbole. And it is 1


### more diabolical than the threat faced during the 2


### Cold War where we might have blown ourselves up. 3


### Instead, we are silently releasing the i nvisible 4


### and odorless gas into the atmosphere that is 5


### threatening us in diabolical ways. So what are 6


### we going to do about it? 7


### This is an amazing opportunity for us to 8


### take a stand and say this is right, say that this 9


### is good policy; this is good for Ame rica; this is 10


### good for the world; this is good for future 11


### generations. It makes sense on so many levels, 12


### and we shouldn't let a noisy well

- funded minority 13



### tell us otherwise. 14



### We must act before the unavoidable 15


### becomes the overwhelming. Personal action c an 16



### only go so far. I went to graduate school to 17


### study climate policy, and I am now paid to be a 18


### climate communicator. But I can only do so much. 19


### If I never drove or took a plane, or ate a piece 20


### of meat again in my life, it would have a zero 21


### impact on gr eenhouse the gas emissions that are 22

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### causing climate change. It is the structural 1



### change that we need to see. 2


### And this is exactly that. This is the 3


### opportunity to make the changes that we need to 4



### see in order to avoid the worst scenarios in 5



### life. It's also an opportunity for America to 6


### take a stand, and I'm going to echo Charles' 7


### sentiments on that. This is an opportunity for 8


### America to lead, to show responsibility, and to 9



### show pro

- activeness. 10



### But I would also like to mention I think 11


### it should be pu t into the rhetoric of this

-- of 12


### these actions that it is acceptable for states to 13


### impose a carbon tax as part of their 14



### -- as part of their plan, particularly the model 15


### where a tax is imposed upstream in the economy 16



### where the fuel is extracted and then r eturned 17



### evenly to all households and by the free market. 18


### Thank you all very much for your time. 19



### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Mr. Schecht. All 20


### right. Thank you. Gentlemen, thank you. 21


### The next speakers are Samantha Spaccasi, 22

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### and Kate McCloud. And I'll apol ogize right now 1


### for wrangling any names in advance, but you'll 2



### have a chance to correct the record. 3


### Very good. Which one is Samantha? 4


### (Indicating.) 5


### MR. PAGE: All right. And you'll please 6


### correct the pronunciation of your name if you 7



### need to. 8



### MS. SPACCASI: No, you pronounced it just 9



### fine. 10


### MR. PAGE: Okay. Great. All right. All 11


### right. If you'll spell it then, that would be 12



### great for the court reporter. 13


### MS. SPACCASI: Sure. My name is Samantha 14


### Spaccasi. That's S

- P

- A

- C

- C

- A

- S

- I. I'm a 15



### s ophomore at Oberlin College majoring in 16



### environmental studies with a concentration in 17


### environmental justice. And my hometown is 18



### Darnestown, Maryland. I'm also the Clean Water 19


### intern at the Sierra Club Maryland Chapter. 20


### At school I campaign against the 21


### dangerous process of fracking. If it isn't 22

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### already obvious, protecting the environment is my 1


### passion. I would like the EPA for this 2


### opportunity to testify. 3


### My family roots, I am Hawaii. My great 4


### grandmother, a Korean picture bride, was shipped 5



### off to marry my great grandfather and start a 6


### home on the plantation. Growing up I heard 7



### fantastic stories about this beautiful land with 8


### its lush forests, with crystal clear waters, and 9



### diverse wildlife. I've had the fortune to visit 10


### this land many times, and e ach time I return, I'm 11



### amazed by how much these people care about and 12


### work with the land they live in. 13


### Walking off the airplane, the air 14


### immediately smells of flowers and feels 15


### refreshing and healthy. Breathing in Hawaii is 16


### unlike breathing anywhere els e. 17



### When I come back to Maryland, I 18


### immediately feel suffocated. No, it's not 19



### because of the natural humid climate. It's 20



### because

-- and I quote

-- Maryland suffers from 21


### worst air quality on the Atlantic coast. And 22

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### that's a quote from the Maryland Bey ond Coal 1


### Campaign. Only 5 out of the 13 coal plants have 2


### modern pollution

- cutting technology for both 3


### sulfur dioxide and smog

- causing nitrogen oxides. 4


### What's most disappointing, however, is that none 5


### of these five are using their technology to the 6



### maximum extent possible to reduce pollution. 7


### I live a mere 10 miles away from one of 8


### my state's dirtiest coal plants, the Dickerson 9



### Power Plant. And for 19 years

-- 19 years

-- I 10


### have been breathing the air from this toxic power 11


### plant. My entire family, from my grandparents to 12


### my little baby cousins, live in Maryland, too

-- 13



### very close to the power plant as well. 14


### They, too, have been breathing this 15


### dangerous air most or all of their lives. But 16



### thanks to the good work done by the EPA maybe 17


### something will fin ally be done to increase the 18


### air quality in my home state. 19


### EPA, I laud you for taking action on 20


### climate change and protecting Americans' health 21


### while still making it possible to maintain an 22

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### affordable energy system. Thank you for seeing 1


### that cutting c arbon emissions will not hurt our 2


### economy. These actions are so significant 3


### towards taking a step in the complicated battle 4


### of climate change. 5


### Reducing emissions is important but also 6


### is taking the time to promote and increase 7



### subsidies for renewable en ergy. Renewables are 8



### clean, healthy, and can be adopted to our 9



### infrastructure. The installation of these 10



### healthy energy sources are also sources for much

11


### needed jobs. They can make the U.S. energy 12


### independent in a clean and powerful way. 13



### I beg you not to bend to the winds of the 14


### greedy coal industry, intent on increasing profit 15



### at the expense of the health of thousands of 16


### Americans. These rules proposed are beyond 17


### reasonable and practical. 18


### Thank you so much for taking initiative 19



### to protect my gener ations and future generations' 20


### ability to breathe easy. And thank you again for 21


### allowing me this opportunity to testify before 22

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### you. 1



### MS. PAGE: Thank you. 2


### MS. HOLBROOK MCLEOD: Hi, my name is 3



### Kathleen Holbrook McLeod. It's K

- A

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### Holbrook, H

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- C

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### And that's capital L

- E

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- D. I am a volunteer in 6


### the D.C. chapter of the Sierra Club. I have 7


### lived in Washington, D.C., for at least 30 years. 8


### The Washington, D.C., Baltimore area is 9



### rated a ninth in the nation for high ozone 10


### levels. WebMD online said the following: 11


### Commuters spewing exhaust from their cars cause 12


### most of this area's worst ozone pollution days 13


### during the last few years. 14


### But the problem isn't just home grown. 15


### Dirty air also blows in from coal fire plants as 16


### far away as Georgia and Ohio. It is stunning to 17


### think that coal power plants from Georgia and 18


### Ohio could be polluting the very air we breathe 19


### right now. Toxic chemical pollution for coal 20


### powered plants can travel hundreds of miles, 21


### impacting p laces far from the original plant 22

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### site. 1


### Living in a place with such high levels 2


### of air pollution can lead to high rates of asthma 3


### and other respiratory problems. D.C. has a very 4


### high rate of asthma, especially among inner city 5



### children. 6


### I grew up in P ennsylvania and never had 7


### asthma there, but I have had allergic asthma 8


### while living in Washington, D.C. At times it was 9



### so serious that I took off work, and I could not 10


### go outside, especially on days with poor air 11


### quality. What helped most was getting aw ay to 12


### where the air was much cleaner. I no longer had 13


### to carry an asthma inhalator, but I also try to 14


### limit my exposure to air pollution as much as 15


### possible. There are days in D.C. where I just 16


### can't get a breath of fresh air. 17



### Coal

- powered plants are d escribed as the 18


### dirtiest type of energy. The American Lung 19


### Association reported in 2011 that coal power 20


### plants produced more hazardous air emissions than 21


### any other industrial pollution source. These 22

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### dangers and dirty emissions include 386,000 tons 1



### of 84 separate air pollutants from over 400 2


### plants in 46 states. 3


### The acid gases create acid rain. There 4



### are hazards from benzene and other compounds

-- 5


### from dioxin and furans, formaldehyde, lead, 6


### arsenic and other heavy metals. And one of the 7



### heavy metals released is mercury. Coal

- powered 8


### plants are a major source of mercury pouring into 9



### waterways. 10


### A Sierra Club Magazine article reported 11


### the following: When EPA researchers tested 12



### predatory and bottom

- dwelling fish in 500 U.S. 13



### lakes and reservoirs in 2009, they found mercury 14


### in each and every one. Close to half of the fish 15


### and levels so high they were unsafe to eat. 16


### Another 2009 study by the U.S. Geological 17



### Survey found mercury

- contaminated fish into the 18


### 291 streams and rivers tested. Mercury pollu tion 19


### causes U.S. waters to be closed to fishing more 20


### than it does any other source of contamination. 21


### Seafood is a major source of mercury 22

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### exposure and mercury poisoning in the U.S. Tuna 1


### is the fish most associated with mercury 2


### poisoning, including sushi . Many doctors and 3


### researchers believe that tuna has such high 4



### levels of mercury that pregnant women and young 5



### children should not eat tuna at all. And some 6


### doctors now advise patients to avoid seafood 7



### altogether. 8


### This is one of the high prices of coal 9


### powered plants spewing so much mercury into the 10


### environment along with other dangerous toxins. 11


### Moving away from coal

- powered plants and moving 12



### toward as much cleaner sources of energy such as 13


### solar could dramatically reduce the amount of 14


### mercury in the e nvironment over time. 15



### The National Resources Defense Council 16


### advises not consuming the following seafood due 17


### to the very high level of mercury: ahi tuna, 18


### bigeye tuna, swordfish, marlin, orange roughy, 19


### king mackerel, tilefish, and shark. 20



### The NDRC rec ommends eating the following 21


### only a few times a month if at all. These are 22

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### fish high in mercury: canned albacore tuna, 1


### yellow fin tuna, Chilean sea bass, bluefish, 2


### grouper, Spanish mackerel, Gulf mackerel. 3


### The NDRC recommends eating six or less 4


### serving s of the following each month due to the 5



### moderate level of mercury

-- and some of these 6


### have gone up in levels: carp, Alaskan cod, white 7



### Pacific croaker, Atlantic halibut, Pacific 8



### halibut, silverside Jacksmelt, lobster, mahi 9


### mahi, monk fish, freshwater pe rch, sable fish, 10


### skate, snapper, canned chunk light tuna, skipjack 11



### tuna, and sea trout. 12


### Please note that seafood is too high in 13


### mercury for us to eat, also poisons wild fish

-- 14


### wildlife such as eagles, river otters, common 15



### loons, great egrets, raccoons, minks, and even 16


### the nearly extinct Florida panthers. 17


### I strongly believe that moving to cleaner 18


### sources of energy will mean less burdening other 19


### toxins in the waterways. I also believe it will 20


### mean cleaner air and support the EPA proposals. 21



### Thank you f or your time. 22

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### MR. PAGE: Thank you all very much for 1


### your testimony. 2


### Jane Kirchner and Wendy Fleit. 3



### (Pause.) Great. Thank you. Jane? 4


### MS. KIRCHNER: How did you know that I 5



### was Jane? 6



### MR. PAGE: What's that? 7


### MS. KIRCHNER: How did you know I was 8



### Jane? 9



### MR. PAGE: You looked ready. 10



### MS. KIRCHNER: I'm Jane Kirchner, 11



### K

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- R. And first of all, thank you 12


### very much for allowing me to submit comments 13


### tonight. And I will actually will be submitting 14


### testimony for Connor Bambrick of the 15



### E nvironmental Advocates of New York. 16


### Would you like me to spell his last name? 17



### MR. PAGE: That would be good. 18



### MS. KIRCHNER: B

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### Carbon pollution is having a major impact 20


### on our health, our environment, and our economy. 21


### Poor air qual ity is making our children sick and 22

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### shortening the lives of some seniors. Rising 1



### temperatures, prolonged heat waves, and severe 2


### storms are costing our economy billions in lost 3


### production and infrastructure and property 4



### damage. 5


### In directing the U.S. Envi ronmental 6


### Protection Agency to move forward with the Clean 7



### Power Plan, President Obama has demonstrated the 8


### leadership needed to finally address one of the 9


### root causes of our changing climate. 10


### The proposed rule establishes the first 11



### national standard f or regulating climate 12


### pollution from the country's power center. It 13


### comes on the heels of a previous rule that sets 14


### carbon standards for plant to be built in the 15



### future. That standard garnered the support of 16


### bipartisan groups of 50 New York State 17


### legisla tors. 18


### The Clean Power Plan aims to cut power 19


### plant climate pollution by 30 percent of 2005 20


### levels by the year 2030. Since fossil

- fuel 21


### fired power plants are responsible for one

- third 22

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### of the nation's climate altering greenhouse gas 1


### emissions, it is only correct to target them for 2



### reduction. 3



### These actions will benefit the health and 4


### safety of our most vulnerable populations, 5


### driving a 25

- percent cut in soot and smog

- causing 6


### pollution, key contributors to heart and 7


### respiratory diseases. 8


### Asthma is espec ially prevalent in New 9


### York with an estimated 1.7 million people 10


### suffering from the disease. According to the New 11



### York State Comptroller, the state's asthma

12


### related Medicaid expenditures rose nearly 26 13


### percent in the last five years adding up to 1.3 14



### billi on in health care costs and lost work

- force 15


### productivity. 16


### Reducing power plant pollution will help 17


### avoid 2,700 to 6,600 premature deaths, 150,000 18



### asthma attacks in children and billions of 19



### dollars in health care costs nationwide. 20


### By setting state

- by

- st ate goals for 21


### climate pollution reductions, the EPA is 22

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### providing the states with the flexibility they 1


### need to develop innovative plans designed to spur 2


### job growth in the clean energy sector, lower 3


### consumer utility costs, and improved health 4



### outcomes. 5



### New York State is uniquely positioned as 6


### a leader on this front. The state already has 7


### strict power plant carbon pollution standards for 8



### yet un

- built plants and our participation in the 9


### Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, RGGI

-- and 10



### the successful clean ene rgy and energy efficiency 11


### programs it has spawned

-- are being showcased as 12



### a national model. 13


### Today in the RGGI region, climate 14


### pollutant emissions from the power sector are 15



### more than 40 percent lower than they were when 16



### RGGI was initiated in 2005. New rules 17


### implemented in 2014 lowered the regional carbon 18


### count by 45 percent, locking in emission 19


### reductions already achieved and placing the 20


### region on a path to cut carbon pollution by an 21


### additional 10 percent by 2018. 22

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### The multi

- state initiative operates a s a 1


### carbon cap and trade program with power plant 2


### owners required to purchase allowances for each 3


### ton of CO2 produced. RGGI allowance auctions 4


### have, thus far, generated over 1.75 billion. 5



### Those funds have been sent back to the states 6



### where they have been invested in a variety of 7


### consumer benefit initiatives, including energy 8


### efficiency, renewable energy, direct bill 9


### assistance, and climate pollution reduction 10



### programs. 11



### New York has benefitted from well over 12


### 600 million in auction proceeds of which 400 13



### m illion has been allocated to renewable power, 14


### efficiency, and clean energy technology and 15


### market innovation programs

-- creating jobs, 16


### lowering consumer costs, and driving further 17



### reductions in emissions. 18


### To date, RGGI programs have provided 19


### energy bill savings and other benefits to more 20



### than 130,000 households and 2,500 businesses 21


### spanning all of New York State's 62 counties. 22

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### Environmental Advocates supports the 1



### Clean Power Plan and strongly encourage the EPA 2



### to offer up New York's and the other northe ast 3


### states' experience with RGGI as a demonstration 4


### of climate action driving positive economic, 5


### public health, and environmental outcomes. In 6


### addition, we urge EPA to establish carbon 7


### reduction targets for New York that will drive 8



### the state to continue t o improve and expand its 9


### commitments to climate pollution reductions and 10


### investments in clean energy across all economic 11



### sectors. Thank you very much. 12


### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Ms. Kirchner. 13



### Wendy? 14


### MS. FLEIT: Thank you. My name is Wendy 15



### Fleit, F

- L

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- T. Thank you for holding these 16


### hearings on the Clean Power Plan. And I 17


### appreciate the opportunity to make my voice 18



### heard. 19


### Though I am no expert on energy policy, I 20


### know that the sooner we take responsibility for a 21



### clean environment, clean air and wate r to go 22

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### along with our electric power, the better it will 1


### be for our people, our nation, and the world. 2


### We can afford to be responsible for 3


### reducing our carbon emissions and other 4


### pollutants associated with power generation. As 5



### one of the richest nation s in the world, it is 6


### our responsibility to take a leadership position 7



### on clean air, clean water, and a clean 8



### environment. 9


### I am a mom, a wife, a daughter, a 10



### daughter

- in

- law, a sister, a sister

- in

- law, and 11


### if I’m lucky some day, I will be a mother

- in

- law 12



### and a grandmother. And everyone I am related to 13


### and everyone you are related to benefits by 14


### having clean air. 15



### The literature

-- the literature talks 16



### about how we can save $7 in health care costs for 17


### every dollar investment. To my mind though 18



### health car e savings may be used to justify the 19


### monies invested, making the investment is, in 20


### fact, a responsibility as stewards of this 21


### incredible planet on which we live. 22

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### All of us having a healthier place to 1


### live and breathe is more important than the 2



### monies the investment would cost each of us. The 3


### Clean Power Plan with cleaner power and cleaner 4


### air is the right thing to do. 5


### As I think about the Clean Power Plan, my 6


### mind turns to China. A colleague of mine was 7


### visiting family there. I asked if she wanted to 8



### learn

-- to return to China to live. In reply 9


### she said that when she was in Beijing, the sky 10


### was gray and low due to pollution. No blue 11



### skies, no sunshine. And she, her son, and 12



### husband could not leave the hotel for all of the 13


### time they were there due to the unhealthy air. I 14


### am so thankful that we have pollution standards, 15


### pollution controls here in our country. 16


### Yes, complying with pollution regulation 17


### costs money, but the result benefits all of us. 18


### We have been where China is. We have had burning 19


### rivers and acid rain killing lakes and forests. 20


### I hope China will wake up to the cost of their 21



### actions sooner rather than later. 22

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### As I prepared my testimony, a recent trip 1


### to Spain also came to mind. As we drove through 2


### the countryside, we came upon win d turbines 3


### generating clean energy for Spain. They were in 4



### numerous places. We found them everywhere. As 5


### part of everyday life, Spain is taking 6


### responsibility for clean power. 7


### As a resident of Maryland, neighbor to 8


### Pennsylvania, I also want to say tha t I have 9


### concerns about natural gas obtained through 10


### fracking. Not all natural gas is clean. The 11


### extraction of some of it poisons our groundwater. 12



### Please let us wake up to the long

- term effects of 13


### our energy production not only in the air but in 14



### our wat ers as well. Please put a stop to 15


### fracking and the damage it does to our 16



### groundwater. 17



### As I said earlier, it's time that we, as 18



### one of the richest nations in the world, to take 19


### a leadership position for a clean earth, a 20


### leadership position we have too of ten left to 21


### others. It is common sense to make the power we 22

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### consume clean power so that we can leave our 1


### country and the world in better condition for the 2


### generations to come. 3


### For me, that image of burning rivers and 4


### forests damaged by acid rain are ico nic of our 5


### low points of our environmental stewardship. We 6


### have made great strides, and the next step is to 7


### have clean energy now. Let us stop mortgaging 8



### our future for the sake of energy that's a few 9



### dollars cheaper today. Thank you. 10



### MS. PAGE: Thank you very much for your 11


### testimony, appreciate it. 12


### Next speakers are Stephanie Davis and 13



### David Smedick. 14



### (Pause.) 15


### Welcome. Stephanie, whenever you're 16



### ready. 17


### MS. DAVIS: Yes. Hi, I'm Steph Davis. 18


### I'm a cell biologist and also a biochemist, and I 19



### have my own biotech store when I moved down here 20



### from Maryland

-- from New York to Maryland. And 21


### it is true, and some days I thought I was making 22

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### it up

-- the air quality in Baltimore feels like 1


### Jello. So I'm just realizing obviously something 2


### going on, so I decided to come here. 3


### It’s nice for you to give me an 4


### opportunity to speak. So I fully support the 5



### Clean Power Plan the EPA innovation and sound 6


### science can help power plants to use renewable 7


### energy. Reduction in power plant pollution can 8



### decrease DN A damage at the molecular and cellular 9



### level. 10


### Power plant emissions have deadly health 11


### consequences. Oh, and I would like all 12


### politicians to notice this and not just focus on 13



### the money aspect because a lot of people are 14


### becoming sick. 15



### Professors from Harvard Medical School 16


### concluded that emissions from nine Illinois power 17


### plant were responsible for an increase in asthma 18



### attacks and also premature deaths. 19


### Studies in Germany also reveal that 20



### increased cancer risk of children occurred when 21



### those childre n lived near nuclear power plants. 22

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### And the type of cancers that were increased were 1



### a leukemia. 2



### There also were studies done in Finland 3


### as well and in China. Now, power plants can 4


### change to using clean solar, wind power

-- will 5



### have a lower exposure of

-- of a lower chance of 6


### producing PAH which is polycyclic aromatic 7


### hydrocarbons. And these polycyclic aromatic 8


### hydrocarbons are also linked to prostate cancer. 9


### And rather than saying polycyclic aromatic 10


### hydrocarbons, just say PAH. This is a by

- product 11



### of incomplete combustion of coal burning plants. 12


### Studies from Columbia University 13


### indicated or showed prenatal exposure to power 14


### plant pollution caused children to be born with 15



### smaller heads

-- listed their measurements. They 16



### had circumference of the head of these newborns 17


### also in Finland, and Harlem, and Upper Manhattan, 18



### and also in China. So these children were born 19



### with smaller head sizes at birth. 20



### You have to ask yourself what are the 21


### medical implications of this. And it's clearly 22

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### they could have c ognitive development problems, 1


### learning disability problems. This could cause 2


### an increase in medical expenses and also this 3


### puts a strain

-- certainly an amount of strain on 4


### the education system when they come into the 5



### classroom. The teacher must be able to teach a 6


### variety of different ways to help the students 7



### learn. It takes a lot of time. 8



### So what does this mean for the future? 9


### Increased fuel efficiency can result from hybrid 10


### or coal generating plants such as solar biomass, 11


### or wind solar plants. Wit h solar energy there is 12


### a problem of expense, varied storage problems 13



### will also have to be worked on. MIT Is also 14


### doing research on developing and improving the 15


### batteries for storage in these facilities. 16


### In the process of plant conversion, 17


### neighborhoods will be able to have more

-- or the 18


### creation of green jobs

-- green jobs will occur. 19


### This is especially needed in communities such as 20


### Baltimore. There's a high rate of unemployment. 21



### These communities such as this

-- this will give 22

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### green jobs. 1



### It wi ll also increase

-- stimulate 2


### education in these areas as well. And thank you 3


### for this opportunity. 4



### MR. PAGE: Thank you very much. 5


### MR. SMEDICK: Good evening, and thank you 6


### for the opportunity to speak today. My name is 7



### David Smedick, and I'm with the Sierra Club. My 8


### land name is spelled S

- M

- E

- D

- I

- C

- K. 9



### First and foremost, I want to thank the 10



### EPA for its commitment to carbon reductions 11


### through the Clean Power Plan. This is a 12


### critical of my generation, and we need to act 13


### right now. 14



### I'm a Maryla nd native, an active member 15


### of the youth climate movement, and an advocate 16


### for clean energy and conservation. 17


### I was inspired to act on climate in my 18



### teens because of my love of our natural 19


### environment. Growing up I spent my summers and 20


### winters enjoying the outdoors and visiting 21


### national parks, something I still enjoy whenever 22

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### I get the chance today. But my love of the 1


### natural world is just one of the many reasons why 2


### I am no engaged on this global problem. 3


### I'm a part of this movement because 4



### climate d isruption will have a deep impact on our 5


### natural environment, our economy, our health, and 6


### most importantly, our future generations. 7


### I'm a part of this movement because one 8



### day I hope to be a father. 9


### The choices that we make today around 10



### energy and p ollution will have a lasting impact. 11


### My generation, your children's generation, and 12


### generations to come will be the ones facing the 13


### implications of these decisions and bear the true 14



### cost of our inaction on this issue. 15


### I've been listening to many passiona te 16



### speakers today, and I know you've heard the 17


### plan's impacts stated over and over. You are 18



### well aware that the Clean Power Plan has the 19


### potential to improve public health. Up to 20



### 150,000 asthma attacks prevented. More than 21


### 6,000 premature deaths avoided . We cannot 22

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### overstate the improvements in health and quality 1


### of life that this plan will bring. Personally, I 2


### am not willing to accept a weakened version of 3


### this plan that could threaten my health and the 4


### health of future generations. 5



### Those opposed to carbon emission 6


### regulations argue that our economy and our energy 7


### system isn't ready for this, but I would implore 8


### them, and I implore you: Ask my generation. Ask 9


### the future leaders of this nation. We are ready. 10


### We are ready to take responsibility and 11


### tackle this issue. We are ready to invent, and 12


### we are ready to innovate. We are ready to work 13


### tirelessly to move beyond a system and a society 14



### that revolves around carbon and carbon emissions 15



### because we know what's at stake and we have no 16



### other choice. 17



### The Clean Power Plan is a critical first 18


### step for this country to show its commitment to 19


### action in the face of climate disruption. We 20


### have an expectation and an obligation to set the 21


### standard, and this plan is the first step in that 22

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### direction. 1



### On beha lf of my own generation, the kids 2


### that I hope to raise to appreciate the world 3


### around them, and the grandchildren I hope to see 4


### grow up in a place where they can breathe clean 5


### air and swim in clean water, I thank you for your 6


### dedication to a strong Clean P ower Plan. And I 7


### challenge you to continue to push the envelope, 8


### to lead the way and advance these issues even in 9


### the face of opposition. The time is now for my 10


### generation and for everyone else to act. Thank 11



### you. 12


### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Mr. Smedick. 13



### O kay. Ann

-- you're going to have to 14


### help me with this one

-- Darwicki

-- okay, thank 15


### you. I appreciate the help. And then I 16


### understand three speakers are going to share five 17


### minutes: Kirk Bowers, Amery Fischer, and Ann 18



### Lopez. Okay. 19



### You guys want t o kind of assemble over 20



### toward that direction and we'll look forward to 21


### your testimony as soon as Ann is finished with 22

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### hers. Whenever you're ready. 1


### MS. DARWICKI: Okay. Hello, my name is 2



### Ann Darwicki, D

- A

- R

- W

- I

- C

- K

- I, and I am a 3


### Registered Nurse with 2 3 years of experience 4


### caring for women and children. I am a family 5


### member and current chair of Nurses Healing Our 6



### Planet, the environmental ad hoc committee for 7



### the Delaware Nurses Association. 8


### I would like to thank you for the 9


### opportunity to speak with you today and to 10


### applaud the EPA on the proposed carbon pollution 11


### standards for coal burning power plants. I would 12


### also like to preface my conversation with you by 13


### saying that I love electricity. In fact, I often 14


### remind my husband after every camping tr ip that 15


### it is my favorite invention with indoor plumbing 16



### a close second. 17


### With that being said, I am for 18


### responsible energy production that does not have 19


### the unintended effects of making us sick. I do 20


### not need to go over the statistics on coal 21


### burning po wer plants and the resultant air 22

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### pollution as you are very well aware of them. 1


### As you know, we are intricately and 2


### intimately connected to our environment. And our 3


### health is directly impacted by it. We know that 4


### on days with higher pollution there are increased 5


### deaths from heart attacks, strokes, respiratory 6


### disease. We know that poor air quality is linked 7


### to prematurity and birth retardation of our 8



### babies as well as infant deaths. We know that 9


### asthma rates have doubled in the past 20 years, 10



### and it is now the most common childhood disease. 11


### I'm thrilled to see that you are showing 12


### how reducing soot and smog, reducing air 13


### pollution is going to reap savings in health care 14


### costs. These are not insignificant costs. The 15


### U.S. spends annually $10 billion a year treating 16


### asthma; $26 billion in pre

- term births; chronic 17


### lung disease, $154 billion; and heart disease and 18



### strokes $432 billion. 19


### Unfortunately, we can lose sight of what 20


### these facts and figures mean in human terms. I 21



### have often been told that my seat of Delaware is 22

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### designated a non

- attainment area for ozone and 1


### consistently does not meet ambient air quality 2



### standards. 3



### Yet when a nurse that I worked with in 4



### the newborn intensive care had to move out of 5



### Delaware because her son, who is fit and 6



### a thletic, couldn't breathe the air in Delaware 7


### without a rescue inhaler even after returning 8


### from a trip to Florida in hundred

- degree weather 9


### where he could breathe fine. Or how shortly 10



### after her move her 42

- year

- old husband died 11



### unexpectedly of a heart at tack. 12


### Or last year I had the privilege of being 13



### a Delaware Clean Air Ambassador, and someone 14


### shared this story of a 14

- year

- old honor student 15


### who had a bright future ahead of her and died of 16



### an asthma attack because her mother couldn't 17



### afford the medic ine. I will be forever changed 18



### by these. 19



### And in business as in medicine we are 20


### always adapting and improving as we know better. 21


### By no longer flushing our medicines down the 22

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### toilet, phasing out mercury thermometers, 1


### removing lead from gasoline and paint, we know 2


### that our actions, government actions work. 3


### Our best approach is to be proactive. We 4


### cannot make a wrong decision by erring on the 5


### side of health and safety. Every effort is 6


### worthwhile. Please uphold your standards; do not 7



### waiver for an ounce of prevention is worth a 8


### pound of cure, for breathing is not an option. 9


### Breathing air that does not make us sick or kill 10


### us prematurely should not be an option either. 11



### Thank you. 12


### MR. PAGE: Thank you, appreciate it. 13


### All right. 14



### MR. BOWERS: Good a fternoon, I'm Kirk 15



### Bowers, B

- O

- W

- E

- R

- S. I am the Conservation Chair 16


### of the Piedmont Group of the Sierra Club which 17



### has over 1,100 members. I'm also District Chair 18


### of the Democratic Party, and worked under the 19



### Charlottesville Center for Peace and Justice, and 20



### I represent over 10,000 people. Okay. 21


### The Piedmont Group's work strongly 22

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### supports the Clean Power Plan to cut carbon 1


### pollution from the power sector by 30 percent 2



### below 2005 levels. Power plants are a source of 3


### carbon pollution in the United Stat es accounting 4


### for 42 percent of all domestic greenhouse gas 5



### emissions. 6


### MS. LOPEZ: Hello, my name is Annie 7


### Lopez. I am a Lead Coordinator with the Piedmont 8


### Chapter of the Virginia Sierra Club, and I 9


### currently attend NC State University. Thank you 10



### for a llowing me to speak here today. 11


### Climate change changed my education 12


### during those formative years of my life. I was 13


### just 12 years old when The Inconvenient Truth 14


### came out. My whole generation has watched, 15


### soaking it all in as our parents, our teachers, 16



### and adults on the news discussed the issue of 17


### climate change. 18


### Now we’ve talked enough. It is time for 19


### action. Students from my high school in 20


### Albemarle County, Virginia, have started a Solar 21


### Schools Initiative. They're petitioning a formal 22

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### press conf erence. They've advocated for solar 1


### panels on our county schools. This group has 2


### expanded to include students from all over the 3


### county at the elementary, middle, and high school 4


### levels as well as alumni such as myself. 5


### The County Board of Supervisors a nd 6


### School Board have heard our voices. I have every 7



### confidence that these students will succeed. It 8


### will be a point pride for our whole community to 9



### have schools at the forefront of renewable energy 10



### use and emissions reductions. 11



### The enforcement of the Clean Power Plan 12


### greatly supports this student movement and others 13


### like it. For children and young adults today 14


### climate change is not a new idea that we have to 15


### get used to. It's what we have grown up learning 16


### about, and we care. We are taking action at the 17



### grassroots level, but we need the federal 18


### government to take action with us. 19



### I, as a student, fully support the Clean 20


### Power Plan. This plan makes me excited for the 21



### future. Thank you. 22

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### MR. PAGE: Thank you. 1


### MR. FISCHER: Hi, my name is Amery 2


### [p honetic] Fischer. I am a student at Virginia 3



### Tech and a Youth Coordinator for the Piedmont 4


### Group of the Sierra Club. Last name is F

- I

- S

- C

5



### H

- E

- R. 6


### During the summer of 2012 I worked as a 7


### field hand on a produce farm in southern 8



### Wisconsin. We were known throughout the area for 9


### our famous watermelon. And if I thought the 10


### security would let me bring some watermelon in 11



### for you guys, I would have. 12


### However, like 80 percent of the nation's 13


### agriculture land that summer, we received the 14


### most severe drought in 25 years, according to the 15


### United States Department of Agriculture. Around 16


### us farmers without irrigation watched as their 17


### crops shriveled and their land cracked. 18


### Thankfully, my boss did have irrigation, 19


### but I overheard him say that if they had to 20


### irriga te the melons for just a few more days, it 21



### would be better to let them

-- to shrivel in the 22

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### field and cut their losses. Thankfully, we did 1



### not have to see that end. 2


### But by September the USDA had designated 3


### over 2,000 counties across the country as 4



### disas ter areas due to drought. Climate change 5


### has the potential to make extreme droughts like 6



### that become normal. We need a strong plan for 7


### climate action, otherwise, what would happen to 8



### the bread basket of America? 9


### With that on my mind I came back in 2012 10


### to Virginia to toil fervently for President 11


### Obama's reelection because he promised to work 12


### towards solving the climate crisis. I knocked on 13


### hundreds of doors and organized then high school 14


### students like myself to do the same. 15



### And this administration is fulfilling 16


### that promise today. I stand here

-- or sit here 17


### in support of the decision to put limits on the 18


### carbon pollution that causes climate change. 19



### Thank you and keep up the good work. 20



### MR. PAGE: Thank you. 21



### Mr. BOWERS: In conclusion, I'd like t o 22

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### state more comments. The study released by 1


### Stanford University five days ago on July the 2


### 24th, 2014, performed by international 3


### scientists. If you haven't seen it yet, it's 4


### great. And they concluded that the earth is on 5



### the brink of mass extinction. I t should be equal 6



### in scale to when it killed off the dinosaurs 65 7


### million years ago. 8


### Time is running out to avert the threat 9



### of mass extinction. If the crisis is to be 10



### avoided

-- and this affects the entire world

-- 11



### humans need to make large scale change s 12


### immediately. 13


### In light of recent studies

-- these 14


### recent studies proposed regulations. It's a good 15


### start, but it's not enough. The Climate Change 16


### Act of 2008 in the United Kingdom as enacted 17



### ensures that the net carbon count that came out 18


### in the year 2050 is at least 80 percent below the 19



### 1990 baseline. The Act aims to make the United 20


### Kingdom become a low carbon economy. 21


### Climate change

-- the Climate Change Act 22

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### here in the United States and regulations to 1


### reduce emissions by 80 percent below the 1990 2


### baseline is required if we are going to prevent 3



### mass extinctions. 4


### And we're talking about one

- third to one

5


### half of the entire human population on this 6


### planet. Thank you for your time. 7



### MR. PAGE: Thank you all for your 8


### testimony, appreciate it. 9



### Aaro n Phillips and Ryan Crowley. Mr. 10


### Phillips, you're up first. 11


### MR. PHILLIPS: First of all, my name is 12


### Aaron Phillips. Thank you for your time and 13


### allowing me to be here. 14



### I am a District of Columbia resident. 15


### I'm 23 years old. I'm very active, play a lot of 16


### sports, take part in local activities, but I do 17


### suffer from asthma, something that I've got to 18


### deal with on a daily basis, and even with my 19


### education, you know, the climate and the air does 20



### play a huge effect on how I can maneuver and 21


### participate in things day to day. 22

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### I do speak on behalf of myself

-- you 1


### know, my generation and also my future kids. I 2


### see the climate as being one of the most 3


### predominant issues that we face today, and it

-- 4



### honestly, there's enough way to go around and say 5



### that t hey're trying to delegate as far as what's 6


### going to happen to the earth. It's pretty 7


### evident. The signs are here, but we do need to 8


### act immediately. 9


### Things such as rain forest deforestation, 10


### forest fires, the mass extinction of aquatic 11



### life, how our wa terways are becoming more and 12


### more acidic, the pollution and smut as far as 13


### being put into the air, it all plays a mass 14


### effect on what's going on, creating more 15


### greenhouse gas and just a warming of the earth of 16


### itself. And I do feel strongly that if nothi ng 17


### is done or if anything isn't being done as 18


### drastic as decreasing the carbon emissions, we 19


### will face a devastation as far as crops, our 20


### water supply, and human extinction. 21


### This is the only earth that we have. 22

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### There is nothing else like it to be able t o 1


### sustain our way of living as things sort of 2


### cohabitate with everything, and we're 3


### responsible. 4


### Research does show that climate change 5



### did start around the industrial revolution which 6



### makes a lot of sense. With our

-- moving forward 7


### with technology and our assembly lines, just 8


### steam powered this and steam powered that, we did 9


### put a dent in the earth. We are moving faster 10


### than the earth can restore properties. And if 11


### nothing is being done, we will be faced with a 12



### mass extinction on a level we've never 13


### experienced before. 14


### So I do stand here in full support of the 15



### new Clean Power act, and that is

-- thank you for 16


### your time. 17


### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Mr. Phillips. 18



### Mr. Crowley? 19


### MR. CROWLEY: Hi, my name is Ryan 20



### Crowley, spelled C

- R

- O

- W

- L

- E

- Y. I'm a mem ber of 21


### the Washington, D.C., Chapter of the Sierra Club. 22

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### I'm here today to express my support for 1


### the Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Power 2



### Plan. Power plants are the largest source of 3


### carbon, accounting for 40 percent of emissions 4


### and a major contributor to greenhouse gas 5



### pollutant. 6



### The Clean Power Plan is a common sense 7


### step to toward cutting pollution and addressing 8


### climate change, one of the major threats to human 9


### and environmental health. The EPA already 10


### regulates mercury, arsenic, and other noxious 11


### power plant emissions. And by tackling carbon, 12


### the Agency is helping to assure that future 13


### generations can breathe easier. 14



### Twenty

- five percent of medical illnesses 15


### worldwide are tied to poor environmental quality. 16


### Climate change is a resu lt of trapped greenhouse 17


### gas. It's a serious public health problem with 18


### significant consequences. 19


### A recent study published in the Journal 20


### of Health Affairs identified six climate change

21


### related episodes that occurred between 2000 and 22

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### 2009, including an increased number of hurricanes 1



### in Florida, a West Nile virus outbreak in 2


### Louisiana, and serious flooding in North Dakota. 3



### The authors concluded that these six events 4



### accounted for nearly 1,700 premature deaths and 5



### 14 billion in associated health costs. 6


### Exposure to power plant emissions can 7


### have a serious adverse effect on a person's 8


### health and well being. Power plant pollution 9


### affects breathing and exacerbates respiratory 10


### illnesses like asthma. By reducing harmful 11


### emissions, the Clean Power Plan can p revent 12



### 150,000 asthma attacks and 6,600 premature deaths 13



### a year by 2030. 14


### When fully implemented, the Clean Power 15


### Plan will reduce power plant carbon emissions by 16


### 30 percent compared to 2005 levels. It will 17


### achieve this by providing states an opportunity 18


### to develop a carbon reduction strategy that's 19



### workable and effective. 20


### I come from a family of coal miners. My 21


### great grandfather immigrated from Italy to West 22

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### Virginia to work the mines. I sympathize with 1



### those who are concerned about their livelihoo d. 2


### But climate change is real and is already having 3


### a negative effect our health, the environment, 4



### and our economy. 5



### The Clean Power Plan represents an 6


### opportunity to mobilize coal

- reliant states and 7


### others to develop their own plan to encourage 8



### energy e fficiency and increase the use of 9


### renewable energy, creating new jobs and an 10


### industry centered on cleaning up our energy 11



### sources. 12


### I urge the EPA to finalize and implement 13



### the Clean Power Plan, and thank you for the 14


### opportunity to testify. 15



### MR. PAGE. Th ank you. Thank you, 16



### gentlemen. 17


### MR. Arthur Elkins, you're next. 18


### MR. ELKINS: My name is Arthur Elkins, 19


### and I'm speaking on behalf of the Delaware Sierra 20


### Club. I want to thank you guys for letting me 21


### come out today and testify. 22

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### First of all, my reaso n for being here

-- 1



### I went to (inaudible) for the summer for 2



### vacations in Delaware, which is in the southern 3


### part of Delaware. And there's a big power plant 4


### there. And little did we know, you can't 5



### actually eat the crabs down there

-- we didn't 6



### know th at at the time

-- but you can actually eat 7


### the crabs but you can’t eat aquatic life in most 8



### of all of Delaware because the rivers are so 9



### polluted. 10


### And when I was in high school, I learned 11



### about a new program. They needed to generate 12


### more power in the St ate of Delaware to 13


### accommodate its growing population. And there 14



### were two plans. There's one sponsored by 15


### (inaudible) which has now been taken over by 16



### Ener

- G, and they wanted to build wind turbines to 17



### power the state, and another one was coal powered 18



### -- coal

- powered power plant. 19


### And then I got involved in it because I 20


### thought it just made sense. Let's do wind 21



### turbines if it's free; it involves wind; it's 22

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### never going to run out, unlike coal. And I 1


### didn't realize the scale of what I was getting 2



### into bec ause there were WinPacs all over the 3



### place. 4


### And everything always goes to money, 5



### money, money. It was never about the health 6


### impact; it was never in long

- term 7


### sustainability. It was always just how short 8


### term. And so that really got me started in 9



### pol itics, in general, and that interested me ever 10


### since. It's been over 10 years now. 11


### In the United States we like to wage wars 12


### on things we deem to be valuable like crime and 13


### drugs, but there is no war on pollution

-- at 14



### least not that I can see or they p retend it isn't 15


### actually happening; it doesn't really exist. 16


### It's just made up. 17


### In Delaware clean air is a hot topic. 18


### The University of Delaware, which is my alma 19



### mater, as well as our Vice

- President Joe Biden. 20


### He actually graduated with the same degre e and 21



### the same minor. 22

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### And at his alma mater, they were 1


### proposing a plant which was going to be powered 2


### by gasoline. And everybody was laughing in 3


### Delaware. I started thinking, well, isn't there 4


### a better way to power it? So there was a lot of 5



### turmoil about this gas

-- this gas

- powered plant 6



### in Delaware. And it was all over the news. And 7


### again, same thing. There were a lot of expensive 8


### ads being place in newspapers and on the radio 9


### talking about how this was going to save money; 10


### this was going to cre ate jobs. And nothing was 11



### talked about

-- gasoline which everybody knows is 12


### definitely not going to save money. It takes 13


### millions of years to make fossil fuels. 14


### So after a long turnout and within

-- 15


### this was located in the City of Newark about this 16



### powe r plant. The University of Delaware decided 17



### that it was not a forward

- thinking idea to have a 18



### gas

- powered

-- a gas

- powered plant in Newark, so 19


### they and rescinded the idea, and everybody

-- a 20


### lot of people in Delaware were definitely a part 21



### of that. 22

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### An d just in my personal experience, I was 1


### with the Philadelphia Eagles for three years, and 2


### I knew all about their clean energy initiatives. 3


### I was there when they decided to install solar 4


### panels. It's all over the stadium. With the 5


### Eagles being the first football team in the whole 6


### country to be able to be taken off the grid. 7


### And, in fact, it was proposed to generate 8


### back into the grid for a profit. And there was 9


### an absolutely brilliant idea and it was 10


### completely voluntary. And I think if the 11



### Philadel phia Eagles can do that forward

- thinking, 12



### why can't we ask the country to be that forward

13


### thinking? 14


### Regardless of one’s sports affiliations, 15


### it just makes sense. And it's

-- it's very 16



### forward

- thinking, and I think that that's 17


### something we need a li ttle bit more of. Thank 18


### you very much for your time. 19



### MR. PAGE: Thank you. 20



### THE COURT REPORTER: Can you spell your 21



### last name, please? 22

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### MR. ELKINS: My last name is Elkins, 1



### E

- L

- K

- I

- N

- S. 2



### THE COURT REPORTER: Thank you. 3



### MR. PAGE: Okay. Very good. All right. 4


### All right, the next two speakers are Brad 5



### Green and Tom Vincent. Mr. Green? 6


### MR. GREEN: Thank you. My name is 7


### Bradley Green, and I am a resident of the 8


### District of Columbia. I support the proposed 9


### rule limiting carbon emissions from coa l

- fired 10


### power plants. This rule is a crucial start to 11


### the crucial task of addressing global warming. 12


### I believe that the vast majority of the

- 13



### - I believe the vast majority of scientists are 14


### going to tell us that our greenhouse gas 15


### emissions are warming the earth. Further, this 16


### warming is already being felt, and will become 17


### more pronounced in the years ahead. Worse, the 18


### consequences of this warming will be costly in 19


### heating, including rising seas, species 20


### extinction, and crop failure to name a few. 21



### Th e economic and the social cost of doing 22

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### nothing far outweighs the cost of limiting our 1


### greenhouse gas emissions. The displacement of 2


### hundreds of millions of people due to silent 3


### rising sea levels alone will have huge economic 4


### and social costs that may wel l be more than any 5


### regions that the countries can bear. 6


### By comparison, the cost of transitioning 7



### from coal to more sustainable fuels is one that 8



### we would embrace. 9



### The cost of renewable solar power, for 10


### example, has been declining over the years, and 11



### no w it is increasing competitively with fossil 12


### fuels. I realize that my statement is filled 13


### with dire words and predictions, but this is the 14



### nature of the threat before us. 15


### Consequently, I think this rule should be 16


### as aggressive as possible in reducing ou r 17



### dependence on coal. 18


### Fortunately, I will not be around to see 19



### the more extreme consequences of the global 20


### warming should we choose to do nothing. Still, I 21


### feel it is our duty as a society to leave the 22

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### next generation a world that is at least as good 1



### as the one that was given to us. I hope that we 2


### do not fail. Thank you. 3



### MR. PAGE: Thank you, Mr. Green. 4


### MR. VINCENT: I'll see if I can lighten 5


### things up. I'm here as a solutions provider. 6


### My name is Tom Vincent. I am here on 7



### behalf of the Clean E nergy Association, but we 8


### represent over 1,000 citizens involved in all 9


### aspects of clean energy in the United States 10


### including biotech development operations, among 11



### others. EPA advises the states and power plant 12


### owners from various areas of the country and 13


### already is bringing carbon reduction job 14


### development and job creation opportunities for 15



### renewable energy. 16


### We endorse the use of the opportunities 17


### and state progress which EPA proposed to create 18


### building blocks for clean energy. 19



### This is consistent and recognizes the 20


### greater emission reductions and cost 21


### effectiveness by taking advantage of renewable 22

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### systems. 1


### The resulting emission reduction will 2


### mitigate climate change and we are also pleased 3


### that the EPA renewable energy plan has multiple 4



### state and re gional options, sets a target for 5


### progress and supports existing state programs. 6


### We believe the details of the proposal cannot 7



### underestimate the reductions that are available 8



### now and as such the final rule can and should 9


### provide emission rules further as practical. 10


### Clean energy can reduce carbon emission 11



### reductions. What we did, we used the EPA's 12



### current model to calculate the current fleet of 13



### wind turbines’ reduced carbon emissions in 2013 14


### by nearly 127 million tons. Eleven states have 15


### already achieved reductions on renewable energy 16


### alone. Renewable energy alone in U.S. 17


### communities creates 50,000 U.S. jobs annually in 18



### more facilities in 44 states in the climate 19


### industry. 20


### There are 61 megawatts of energy in 39 21


### states and Puerto Rico with energy projec ts being 22

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### developed and several of those states are already 1


### buying energy from customers because it's the 2


### lowest cost option available when energy is 3



### affordable. 4



### Cost of energy has fallen 43 percent over 5


### the last four years, and increased less than half 6



### a s much in 10 states with the most energy 7



### compared to when energy was n't reliable. 8


### At a regional level, energy has provided 9


### upwards of 20 to 40 percent of the electric 10



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### Since the end of 200 5 clean energy has 13


### doubled its capacity in the U.S. The U.S. yield 14


### is expected to increase energy efficiency each 15


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### percent by 2020 and can reduce power emissions by 17


### 90 percent by 2030. Additionally reducing other 18


### pollutants by stocking up mercury and as a result 19


### reducing these levels will create 175,000 jobs by 20


### 2030 and result in long

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### consumers. 22

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### For these reasons, clean energy can and 1



### should move forward for carbon emissions 2



### reduction. More de tailed comments are available 3


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### MR. PAGE: Thank you very much, Mr. 5


### Vincent, appreciate it. Thank you both. 6



### So, I've gotten the word from Amy that 7


### our speakers have been so concise and eloquent 8



### that we are now way ahead of schedule in terms of 9



### the folks that were scheduled to speak, and we're 10


### going to

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### at the same time, A and B. We're going to move 12


### the rest of the speakers over to A and will they 13


### be called up at their

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### time then that they were signed up for if they 15


### were signed up for sometime between now and 8:00 16



### o'clock. 17


### Amy, anything else that they should know? 18



### AMY: That was it. 19



### MR. PAGE: Okay. Great. Thank you all 20


### very much for coming. We appreci ate it. I'm 21


### going to go over there and listen to some 22

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