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Hi again, Melanie. Per your questions, see below.

1) MECA is currently only aware of one manufacturer of CCV systems for 

stationary diesel engines -- Racor (www.parker.com/racor). MECA members 

Donaldson Company

(www.donaldson.com/en/exhaust/support/datalibrary/061798.pdf) and Engine 

Control Systems (www.enginecontrolsystems.com/prod-cvv.aspx) both sell CCV 

systems but only for mobile source applications. (Note: ECS's CCVs are Racor 

units produced for ECS.) In conversations with these two MECA members, they 

said they would both consider offering products for existing stationary diesel 

engines should EPA promulgate requirements in this market area. Regarding 

limitations, one MECA member said the limit to the size of CCVs, in terms of 

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commercial availability, is typically no larger than 30 L.

2) Regarding the feasibility of DPFs for existing stationary diesel engines, 

the best guideline is the information contained in the list of ARB Level 3 

verified technologies for stationary diesel engines 

(www.arb.ca.gov/diesel/verdev/vt/stationary.htm). The specifications for the 

type of engine, minimum temperature for filter regeneration, fuel type, and 

other operating conditions can be found in the individual Executive Order 

letters. Essentially, stationary diesel engines certified to ARB Tier 1, 2, 

or 3 off-road standards would be suitable candidates for retrofit. These same 

parameters (e.g., minimum temperature for filter regeneration) would apply as 

a general guideline to pre-1996 engines as well. Also, some Level 3 systems 

verified for mobile off-road (www.arb.ca.gov/diesel/verdev/vt/cvt.htm) could 

be suitable for stationary applications as one of the test cycles used for 

mobile off-road verification (ISO8178-C1, a steady-state cycle) is very 

similar to the test cycle for stationary verification (ISO8178-D2).

In terms of examples of older engines that have been retrofitted with DPFs, as 

noted in our testimony, the most comprehensive information on the application 

of PM exhaust emission control technology to in-use stationary diesel engines 

can be found in ARB's September 2003 Staff Report in support of its ATCM for 

stationary compression-ignition engines. In the report, ARB provides a 

thorough list of in-use emergency standby engines and prime stationary engines 

using emission control systems (mostly DPFs) in California. The retrofit 

devices were installed on stationary engines ranging from model years 1993 to 

2002.

The list shows numerous DPF installations on large engines rated above 600 kW, 

including Caterpillar 3516 engines rated in the 1490-2120 kW range.

I have also attached a short case study of two pre-1996 stationary diesel 

engines that were retrofit with DPFs (this case study was also noted in our 

testimony).

Hope this helps. If I get further information from our members, I will 

forward it along to you.

Antonio

-----Original Message-----

From: King.Melanie@epamail.epa.gov [mailto:King.Melanie@epamail.epa.gov]

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:49 PM

To: Antonio Santos

Subject: Re: Your questions regarding MECA's stationary engine comments

Hi,

Thanks for getting back to me. There were two issues that I wanted to talk to 

you guys about:

1) Closed crankcase ventilation - we asked for comment on CCV systems in the 

proposed NESHAP revisions. There was a paragraph in MECA's comments on CCV 

systems and in that paragraph it stated that there was one manufacturer of CCV 

systems that had been selling them for stationary diesel engines in the mid1990s. I wanted to get more information regarding CCV systems for stationary 

diesel engines. I'm wondering about the applicability of CCV systems for 

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existing diesel engines - are there any limitations on what types of 

stationary diesel engines the systems could be applied to (for example can all 

sizes of diesel engines use them, all different applications, etc.)? Is there 

only one manufacturer who has the CCV systems available for stationary 

engines?

2) Diesel particulate filters - specifically their feasibility for older 

engines. As discussed in the comments, there are DPF systems that are 

verified by CARB for stationary engines and they are verified for 1996 and 

newer engines. How about for pre-1996 engines? On page 4 of the MECA comment 

letter there are some bulleted parameters that are considered, but what I 

don't know is how many older engines would meet those parameters and be able 

to be retrofit with DPF? Also, can you be a little more specific about the 

parameters, for example the second bullet talks about the need for the engine 

operating temperature to be hot enough for regeneration - how hot does the 

temperature need to be and do most existing stationary diesels reach that 

temperature? On page 10 of the MECA comments it says "MECA believes DPFs 

should be installed on in-use stationary diesel engines wherever technically 

feasible . . .

." What I'm trying to get at is figuring out for a nationwide regulation, 

where could the line be drawn as to what engines can feasibly be retrofit? 

What are the oldest age engines that you have been able to install DPF and 

demonstrate reductions (also what size were they and what reductions were 

demonstrated)?

Melanie King

Energy Strategies Group

Sector Policies and Programs Division

Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards U.S. Environmental Protection 

Agency

Mail Code D243-01

RTP, NC 27711

Phone: (919) 541-2469

Fax: (919) 541-5450

king.melanie@epa.gov

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Hi, Melanie. Joe Kubsh forwarded to me your voice mail you left for him last 

week re: MECA's comments on EPA's NESHAP for existing stationary engines 

proposed rulemaking.

He is out of the office and wanted me to follow up with you regarding your 

questions. Feel free to call me (202/296-4797 x108) or e-mail me (e-mail is 

better, so I can forward your questions to Joe).

Thanks,

Antonio

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Antonio Santos

Manufacturers of Emission Controls Association

(202) 296-4797 x108

asantos@meca.org

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