In the Matter of:

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September 20, 2016

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1 OFFICE OF HEARINGS

2 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

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4 In the Matter of: )

5 JETTECH, LLC ) No. FAA-2013-1079

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8 TELEPHONIC PRETRIAL CONFERENCE

9

10 Tuesday, September 20, 2016

11 1:00 p.m.

12 The Honorable Douglas M. Rawald

13 Administrative Law Judge

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15 ON BEHALF OF THE FAA:

16 NO APPEARANCE

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18 ON BEHALF OF THE RESPONDENT:

19 MICHAEL POINDEXTER, ESQ.

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24 Reported telephonically by:

25 Karen Guy, CER

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3 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Let’s go ahead and go on

4 the record. 

5 This is Administrative Law Judge Doug Rawald. 

6 This is a prehearing conference in the case of JETTECH, 

7 docket number FAA-2013-1079. Today’s date is September

8 20th, 2016. 

9 I’m joined on the call by the Counsel for the

10 Respondent, Mr. Michael Poindexter. Counsel for the

11 Complainant, Mr. Kyle Lamazow, has not called in. This

12 is the second time we’ve scheduled this conference. I’m

13 willing to hold it in his absence. He has been called by

14 our office and reminded of this call and he has not yet

15 called in. And so I find that he waives his ability to

16 take part in the discussion of prehearing matters at this

17 time. 

18 Also with me in my office is Attorney-Advisor

19 Jackie Booker. 

20 Mr. Poindexter, I do have from both you and Mr.

21 Lamazow a joint status report you both filed back in May,

22 with the hope that the case would be tried by now. 

23 Obviously, it has not been. So I do want to set up some

24 dates and deadlines for things.

25 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

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1 JUDGE RAWALD: Can you tell me first of all,

2 have you folks completed discovery in your opinion?

3 MR. POINDEXTER: You know, I think so, Judge. 

4 The -- we gave ourselves another 60 days at the last --

5 after you were assigned the case and we submitted a new

6 status report and we gave ourselves an additional 60

7 days. Neither party filed any written discovery or

8 requests. 

9 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. 

10 MR. POINDEXTER: So I think it’s done. 

11 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Well, if nobody asked for

12 anything, after that I don’t see how there could be any

13 more discovery. Okay, so I’ll say discovery is complete

14 in this case. 

15 And then as far as a litigation schedule goes,

16 how much time would you want for drafting and filing any

17 prehearing motions? 

18 MR. POINDEXTER: How does that play into the

19 actual date of the hearing, Your Honor? Is there a

20 deadline by which it has to be filed prior to the

21 hearing? 

22 JUDGE RAWALD: Well, what I typically do in my

23 cases, I set a deadline for the motions that’s separate

24 and apart from the hearing date. But we keep in mind the

25 hearing date, so they don’t all run together. 

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1 Just so you understand, my hearing calendar is

2 pretty packed. It looks like May is the first time I

3 would be hearing this case down the road here. 

4 MR. POINDEXTER: In terms of any prehearing 

5 motions, Your Honor, I think that I can get those in --

6 November and December are pretty booked for me, but

7 January opened up and February is fine. So maybe 90 days

8 or 100 days prior to May, maybe say mid-January, January

9 15th deadline for prehearing motions?

10 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Let’s do that. January

11 15th will be the timeframe for prehearing motions. And

12 then what I typically do is I give the other party 30

13 days upon the filing of that motion to respond. Well, it

14 won’t be 30 from the 15th, if you file a motion in

15 December, Mr. Lamazow will have to respond in January. 

16 He’ll have to respond 30 days from your filing on the

17 motion and that will give me a chance to work on it,

18 rather than waiting for them to all come in at one time,

19 which would be then an avalanche for me. 

20 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

21 JUDGE RAWALD: And what I’ll do, I’ll set aside

22 a date for a motions hearing by phone, and we want that

23 date in March or late February. So let me look at my

24 calendar here. I have a hearing that week. So does the

25 week of March 6th -- how does that look for you? March
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1 6th through -- 

2 MR. POINDEXTER: The week of March 6th looks

3 fine for me, Your Honor. 

4 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. So how about we say

5 Monday, March 6th, so we have the rest of the week to

6 schedule anything else that comes up. We’ll set aside a

7 day we’ll have the motions hearing and argument, if

8 people want to have argument on a motion. 

9 MR. POINDEXTER: Fine. 

10 JUDGE RAWALD: And what I’ll do is I’ll

11 probably request a motion, argument, all that, and send

12 out an order setting the schedule, but you probably want

13 to reserve that date so you have it on your calendar, it

14 won’t interfere with something else.

15 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

16 JUDGE RAWALD: And then, like I said, my next

17 available day to have a hearing would be May -- looks

18 like the 15th. How’s that week look for you? 

19 MR. POINDEXTER: Where would it be, Your Honor?

20 JUDGE RAWALD: If the parties agree, you could

21 have it in Denver. 

22 MR. POINDEXTER: Right. Okay. I just -- I

23 wanted to confirm that.

24 JUDGE RAWALD: Right. If you guys come to

25 Denver, that’s fine with me. 

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1 MR. POINDEXTER: You know, any day after Monday

2 the 15th that week would be okay. Tuesday, the 16th

3 through the 19th would be okay. But I’ve got a conflict

4 on Monday. 

5 JUDGE RAWALD: And just so you know, my general

6 practice is to travel on Monday and then to have a

7 hearing on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 

8 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

9 JUDGE RAWALD: So that’s -- 

10 MR. POINDEXTER: Good. 

11 JUDGE RAWALD: So you can hold out that week

12 and have it available for the hearing then. 

13 MR. POINDEXTER: Yeah. So shall we pencil in

14 Tuesday the 16th?

15 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. That’s wonderful. How

16 many days do you think the hearing will take?

17 MR. POINDEXTER: Two, two at the outside. I

18 can’t speak for Mr. Lamazow’s presentation of his case,

19 but my case won’t take more than probably half a day. So

20 I would think two days for the hearing should be more

21 than enough. 

22 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. So when I book the

23 hearing room at the Court, I’ll ask for three days, just

24 to err on the side of caution, because I always want to

25 be more careful and not have the case be compressed

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1 artificially.

2 MR. POINDEXTER: Right. 

3 JUDGE RAWALD: And so I’ll put in my prehearing

4 conference report that I’ll issue here to keep May 16th

5 through 18th open on your calendars for a possible

6 hearing in this case. 

7 MR. POINDEXTER: Good. Do you know which

8 courtroom? Do you apply to the Central District here,

9 and which building do they usually assign you to?

10 JUDGE RAWALD: Right. So I haven’t been to

11 Denver before and I haven’t dealt with them before, but

12 we always do it at the Federal court and so we either use

13 the district court, the bankruptcy court or the tax

14 court, in one of the Federal courts that you have there.

15 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

16 JUDGE RAWALD: And I will know -- so what I’ll

17 do when I get off the phone call now, is I give that

18 information to my assistant and then she’ll work over the

19 next few weeks or so getting everything lined up. And as

20 soon as she has it, we’ll release the hearing notice and

21 that will come to you with all the pertinent information. 

22 So well in advance of the trial in May, obviously. But

23 hopefully within the next month you’ll have that hearing

24 notice. 

25 MR. POINDEXTER: Yes, sir.

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1 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay?

2 MR. POINDEXTER: That’ll be fine. 

3 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. If you want to talk about

4 some substantive issues while I have you on the phone, so

5 I can have that -- make sure I get this in my calendar. 

6 As we’re talking, I’m both working on the report and also

7 marking these in my Outlook calendar, make sure I have it

8 all documented. Okay. 

9 So we talked about prehearing motions being due

10 January 15th and then within three days of service of

11 that motion make your response. And we have already set

12 that aside for March 6th. 

13 I’d also like to set a date for when parties

14 will exchange a witness and exhibit list. Typically I

15 require 30 days before the hearing. Is that comfortable

16 for you to get a final witness and exhibit list 30 days

17 before the hearing? 

18 MR. POINDEXTER: Yes, sir, it is. A final

19 witness and exhibit list exchanged 30 days prior, that’s

20 good. 

21 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. And then also I like if

22 the parties actually provide me a CD with all their

23 exhibits premarked 30 days prior, so I can review the

24 exhibits and be prepared, you know, to talk about them

25 when we go to the hearing. Is that comfortable for you
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1 to provide me something like that?

2 MR. POINDEXTER: Yes. And I was thinking I was

3 going to -- I was thinking in the back of my mind, okay,

4 we exchange the list 30 days, when do we get the actual

5 exhibits. And my sense is they’re all going to be in

6 electronic format anyway, at least for pretrial purposes,

7 so we ought to be able to exchange an electronic version

8 of all the exhibits on that same 30 days. 

9 JUDGE RAWALD: Perfect. Okay. And the other

10 thing I ask if you have a subpoena for a witness, that we

11 set a date by which you must provide that or else I’m 

12 not going go ahead and do it. And so how many days do

13 you think you need for that? I usually ask for at least

14 30 days, so I can act upon it. But if you want more days

15 than that I’ll give it to you.

16 MR. POINDEXTER: You know as soon as I get the

17 hearing date, I will try to get my subpoenas out. And

18 they will be for principal inspectors here at the Denver

19 FSDO. So I should be able to get you those before the

20 end of the year.

21 JUDGE RAWALD: So I’ll say at least 60 days,

22 just to give ourselves some room here in case you decide

23 to change your mind. 

24 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

25 JUDGE RAWALD: But at least 60 days before the

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1 hearing you need to give me subpoena requests so I can

2 make sure I can issue notices to those folks to appear at

3 the hearing and they can make their plans. 

4 MR. POINDEXTER: Got it. And I should request

5 subpoenas in writing, file a motion with the Clerk?

6 JUDGE RAWALD: Yes, sir. 

7 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. And as far as the

8 parties for argument and post-hearing briefing, what I

9 prefer is that folks actually argue the case to me in

10 closing argument, allowing me to then discuss with you

11 your -- you know, your positions and what’s going on with

12 the case. 

13 MR. POINDEXTER: Right. 

14 JUDGE RAWALD: And then both sides, if they

15 want, can -- either side can request a brief, but I’m not

16 going to require that. 

17 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

18 JUDGE RAWALD: And so an issue that comes up in

19 the discussion and you say, you know what, Your Honor, I

20 don’t really know how I feel about that, I may have to go

21 back and look at my documents and my law, and come back

22 and brief that. I will allow that, but I’m not going to

23 request it at the outset. 

24 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

25 JUDGE RAWALD: So just to put that in your ear. 

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1 I do want to turn to substantive issues. I noticed what

2 you noticed in the affirmative defense, which is the

3 Government says the maximum is $1,100 per violation, but

4 then it says they want $27,500. 

5 MR. POINDEXTER: Yeah. 

6 JUDGE RAWALD: Have you had any discussions

7 with Mr. Lamazow about that or is it simply a

8 typographical error? Has he said anything to you? 

9 MR. POINDEXTER: No. I think what happened is

10 he ended up splitting the A through F, or six enumerated

11 violations, and I think he ended up splitting and saying,

12 well, there are four Counts under A and three Counts

13 under B, and so we added up 25 Counts out of the six that

14 he listed, which -- 

15 JUDGE RAWALD: So you think there’s actually

16 more than the six violations that he found?

17 MR. POINDEXTER: Well, I think that’s what he’s

18 thinking but his complaint, you know, only says these are

19 the listed violations and so -- 

20 JUDGE RAWALD: Well, I’m going to note in my

21 report that the complaint, on its face, is deficient in

22 that area. And so put him on notice that I have a

23 concern on how the complaint is drafted there, in keeping

24 with what you read in your affirmative defense.

25 Also, I have an interpretation of the 14 CFR

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1 43.5 that is not consistent with his, in that the way I

2 read that regulation toward revision is that it describes

3 a violation for failing to do any one of three things. 

4 But if you don’t do two of those things or three of those

5 things, doesn’t mean it’s more of a violation. 

6 MR. POINDEXTER: Right. That may be where he’s

7 coming from. 

8 JUDGE RAWALD: Well, when he describes in his

9 paragraph in the initial penalty section, about how it’s

10 a failure because your company failed to do 43.5(b) and

11 43.5(c), I’m not inclined to find those to be different

12 violations. And so I need him to be showing me some law,

13 saying that those should be separate violations -- 

14 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

15 JUDGE RAWALD: -- as opposed to being all part

16 of the same thing. 

17 MR. POINDEXTER: Yeah. 

18 JUDGE RAWALD: So I will put a note on that as

19 well in my prehearing conference report that I think

20 that’s a problem in the pleading. 

21 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

22 JUDGE RAWALD: So now you did not file an

23 amended answer, is that correct?

24 MR. POINDEXTER: I did not. 

25 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. And so, in your original
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1 answer you denied the allegation in Paragraph 9 and then

2 he revised those in his amended complaint. 

3 MR. POINDEXTER: You know, Your Honor, I’m not

4 sure I have his amended complaint. 

5 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. 

6 MR. POINDEXTER: Hang on just a second. Let me

7 call it up. I do not have his amended complaint. I’ve

8 got the complaint requesting a hearing, I’ve got the

9 initial procedural order, I’ve got my answer, then I’ve

10 got the order reassigning to you dated 4-8-2016, and

11 that’s all I have. 

12 JUDGE RAWALD: If you can -- are you on your

13 Outlook right now, are you going through your emails?

14 MR. POINDEXTER: Yes. 

15 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. I have, by coincidence, a

16 cover email on the amended complaint that was sent on

17 March 12th, 2014. And it copies Poinlaw@aol.com, so if

18 you look at March 12th, 2014, it might be buried in your

19 email there. 

20 MR. POINDEXTER: All right. Hang on just a

21 second. 

22 JUDGE RAWALD: Sure. 

23 MR. POINDEXTER: Was that March, did you say? 

24 JUDGE RAWALD: March 12th, 2014. 

25 MR. POINDEXTER: You know what, I have it, Your

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1 Honor. 

2 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. You do have it?

3 MR. POINDEXTER: I got it the same day I got

4 his discovery request. 

5 JUDGE RAWALD: That’s fine. So you do have it,

6 which is helpful. And so in that complaint, he amends

7 just number 9. And so you had initially denied that and

8 I’m not sure if you are still denying it, based upon the

9 way that he’s changed the drafting of that. So you may

10 want to take a look at that. And if you are amending

11 yours, let me know. 

12 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

13 JUDGE RAWALD: You don’t have to do it right

14 now. 

15 MR. POINDEXTER: Yeah, I appreciate that. 

16 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. 

17 MR. POINDEXTER: Appreciate that.

18 JUDGE RAWALD: So if you feel that you are no

19 longer denying that provision based upon the amendment,

20 then you should file an amended answer, just changing

21 your original one. 

22 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. Yes, sir, I will do

23 that. 

24 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. And I also have in your

25 answer the affirmative defense, one you raised, which is

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1 the estoppel, and I’m trying to make sure I understand. 

2 The estoppel concern is that they had the verbal approval

3 from the other folks? Is that what you’re saying there?

4 MR. POINDEXTER: Well, it’s more than that. It

5 is that there was a course of conduct here, it was like a

6 de facto SOP. They had gone through this process with

7 two other airplanes, six months to a year prior to this

8 airplane, gotten verbal field approval and then followed

9 it up with the paperwork. And then the POI was

10 reassigned and the new inspector apparently felt that

11 this was not good. 

12 JUDGE RAWALD: And so, for something like a

13 year and-a-half you’ve put on evidence of these past

14 instances --

15 MR. POINDEXTER: That’s right.

16 JUDGE RAWALD: -- and to show that it’s the

17 accepted way of doing business, and they turned a deaf

18 ear from that in this case, which is not okay. 

19 MR. POINDEXTER: Yes. 

20 JUDGE RAWALD: That’s very helpful, I

21 appreciate that, sir.

22 MR. POINDEXTER: That’s okay. 

23 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. And the last question I

24 had for you was regarding settlement. Have you and Mr.

25 Lamazow talked about settlement at all? 

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1 MR. POINDEXTER: We have. And he has -- you

2 know, for one reason or another, this case got stalled

3 for almost two years. And he needed time to get married

4 -- this was back in 2014, the Judge says, fine, we’ll

5 come back in 90 days and relook, and nobody ever came

6 back in 90 days and then it just sat. 

7 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. 

8 MR. POINDEXTER: But at that time, there was

9 just token settlement. More recently, we’ve discussed

10 settlement and gotten closer to something that might be

11 palatable to my client. But not there yet.

12 So, yes, settlement is something that we’ve

13 always kept in mind. 

14 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Well, hopefully when he

15 reads my concern with how he’s putting his case, maybe

16 that will help him in his discussion with you to get to a

17 more reasonable answer.

18 MR. POINDEXTER: Okay. 

19 JUDGE RAWALD: But my intent then is to, of

20 course, in my report to note that I do encourage the

21 parties to keep talking about settlement. I do think

22 it’s always better for folks to come to an amicable

23 agreement, rather than me telling you what to do. 

24 But I will, of course, have the hearing in case

25 a resolution is not reached and we’ll move forward. 
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1 I am trying to keep moving, it’s just the way

2 things have worked out here. But we are getting back on

3 track. So I feel pretty good about where things are.

4 MR. POINDEXTER: Well, the interesting thing is

5 the agency, the administration has come out with its new

6 policy directive, you know. 

7 JUDGE RAWALD: Right. 

8 MR. POINDEXTER: Which -- but Mr. Lamazow is

9 convinced that doesn’t apply to this case, because this

10 is an older case. And so -- 

11 JUDGE RAWALD: I mean, if you come back -- if

12 you come back to the hearing room with evidence of the

13 current administrative policy, which is kinder and

14 gentler seemingly, then I certainly will consider it.

15 MR. POINDEXTER: And, you know, that’s -- the

16 bottom line is this case is about a paperwork glitch, at

17 least in the FAA’s mind, the inspector’s mind. There was

18 never an allegation that the plan was unsafe or

19 unairworthy, it was strictly paperwork.

20 JUDGE RAWALD: Yeah, I noted that they didn’t

21 charge him with working in violation, which I typically

22 see as a residual violation in these cases, but they

23 didn’t charge it here. 

24 MR. POINDEXTER: Yeah. And then, of course,

25 now it’s been four years and he’s got four more years of

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1 interaction with the local FSDO, so those are the guys

2 I’m going to subpoena, saying how he’s doing, you know. 

3 And they like him. 

4 So, at any rate, that’s where we are. And I

5 will -- I’ll discuss those things with Mr. Lamazow and

6 see where we go from there. 

7 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. Well, I appreciate your

8 appearance today. I’m glad we got things off to a better

9 start with you and I, because I was at the point with the

10 initial filing when it came through the night before the 

11 hearing that you wanted to change the prehearing

12 conference, that you wanted a change. But I do

13 appreciate your coming for the discussion today. This

14 has been very helpful.

15 MR. POINDEXTER: No trouble. No, I’m pleased

16 to do it, Your Honor. Thank you so much.

17 JUDGE RAWALD: Okay. And so I will issue a

18 prehearing conference report tomorrow that will summarize

19 our discussion. And for now, we’ll go ahead and go off

20 the record. Thank you very much. 

21 MR. POINDEXTER: All right. Thank you. 

22 JUDGE RAWALD: All right. Take care. ‘Bye23 bye.

24 (Whereupon, at 1:27 p.m., the hearing was

25 concluded.)

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4 I, Karen Guy, hereby certify that the foregoing

5 proceedings were recorded by me via digital recording and

6 reduced to typewriting under my supervision; that I am

7 neither counsel for, related to, nor employed by any of

8 the parties to the action in which these proceedings were

9 transcribed; and further, that I am not a relative or

10 employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the

11 parties hereto, nor financially or otherwise interested

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days 3:4,7 4:7,8,13

4:16 6:16,20,23

8:10,15,16,19,23

9:4,8,12,14,14,21

9:25 16:5,6

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deadline 3:20,23 4:9

deadlines 2:24

deaf 15:17

dealt 7:11

December 4:6,15

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14:25

deficient 11:21

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Denver 5:21,25 7:11

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denying 14:8,19

DEPARTMENT

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3:13 14:4

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Douglas 1:12

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ended 11:10,11

enumerated 11:10

err 6:24

error 11:8

ESQ 1:19

estoppel 15:1,2

evidence 15:13

17:12
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exchange 8:14 9:4,7

exchanged 8:19

exhibit 8:14,16,19

exhibits 8:23,24 9:5

9:8

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F 11:10

FAA 1:15

FAA-2013-1079 1:5

2:7

FAA’s 17:17

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failing 12:3

failure 12:10

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17:3

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14:20

filed 2:21 3:7,20

filing 3:16 4:13,16

18:10

final 8:16,18

financially 19:11

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14:5 16:4

first 3:1 4:2

folks 3:2 10:2,9 15:3

16:22

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3:25 4:1,3,22,24

5:7,17 6:7,12,16

6:20,23 7:6,20,23

8:15,17,25 9:17

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17:12 18:11,24

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15:1 18:2,8,15

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inspectors 9:18

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6:22 7:3,10,16 8:1

8:3,21 9:9,21,25

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11:15,20 12:8,15

12:18,22,25 13:5

13:12,15,22,24

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16:4,7,14,19 17:7

17:11,20 18:7,17

18:22

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17:1

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kinder 17:13

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10:11,19,20 11:18

13:3,25 14:11 16:2

17:6,15 18:2

Kyle 2:11

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13:18,23,24

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Michael 1:19 2:10

mid-January 4:8

mind 3:24 9:3,23

16:13 17:17,17

Monday 5:5 6:1,4,6

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5:8,11 8:11 10:5

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noticed 11:1,2

notices 10:2

November 4:6

number 2:7 14:7

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5:15,22 6:2,3,8,15

6:22 7:15 8:1,3,8

8:21 9:3,9,24 10:7

10:17,24 12:14,21

12:25 13:5,15 14:2

14:12,16,22,24

15:18,22,23 16:7

16:14,18 18:7,17

older 17:10

open 7:5

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order 5:12 13:9,10

original 12:25 14:21

ought 9:7

outcome 19:12

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outset 10:23

outside 6:17

P

P 2:1

p.m 1:11 2:2 18:24

packed 4:2

palatable 16:11

paperwork 15:9

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paragraph 12:9

13:1

part 2:16 12:15

parties 5:20 8:13,22

10:8 16:21 19:8,11

party 3:7 4:12

penalty 12:9

pencil 6:13

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plan 17:18

plans 10:3

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POI 15:9

Poindexter 1:19

2:10,20,25 3:3,10

3:18 4:4,20 5:2,9

5:15,19,22 6:1,8

6:10,13,17 7:2,7

7:15,25 8:2,18 9:2

9:16,24 10:4,7,13

10:17,24 11:5,9,17

12:6,14,17,21,24

13:3,6,14,20,23,25

14:3,12,15,17,22

15:4,15,19,22 16:1

16:8,18 17:4,8,15

17:24 18:15,21

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post-hearing 10:8

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prehearing 2:6,16

3:17 4:4,9,11 7:3

8:9 12:19 18:11,18

premarked 8:23

prepared 8:24

presentation 6:18

pretrial 1:8 9:6

pretty 4:2,6 17:3

principal 9:18

prior 3:20 4:8 8:19

8:23 15:7

probably 5:11,12

6:19

problem 12:20

procedural 13:9

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process 15:6

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provision 14:19

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12:18 15:13

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question 15:23

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4:21 5:4,10,16,20

5:24 6:5,9,11,15

6:22 7:3,10,16 8:1

8:3,21 9:9,21,25

10:6,14,18,25 11:6

11:15,20 12:8,15

12:18,22,25 13:5

13:12,15,22,24

14:2,5,13,16,18,24

15:12,16,20,23

16:7,14,19 17:7,11

17:20 18:7,17,22

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relook 16:5

reminded 2:14

report 2:21 3:6 7:4

8:6 11:21 12:19

16:20 18:18

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REPORTER 19:2

request 5:11 10:4,15

10:23 14:4

requesting 13:8

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resolution 16:25

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2:10

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revision 12:2

right 5:22,24 7:2,10

10:13 12:6 13:13

13:20 14:13 15:15

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5:6 8:11,13 9:11

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16:9,10,12,21

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14:22 15:21

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soon 7:20 9:16

SOP 15:6

speak 6:18

splitting 11:10,11

stalled 16:2

start 18:9

status 2:21 3:6

strictly 17:19

submitted 3:5

subpoena 9:10 10:1

18:2

subpoenas 9:17 10:5

substantive 8:4 11:1

summarize 18:18

supervision 19:6

sure 8:5,7 10:2 13:4

13:22 14:8 15:1

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take 2:16 6:16,19

14:10 18:22

talk 8:3,24

talked 8:9 15:25

talking 8:6 16:21

tax 7:13

TELEPHONIC 1:8

telephonically 1:24

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that’s 3:23 5:25 6:9

6:15 8:19 11:17

12:20 13:11 14:5

15:15,20,22 17:15

18:4

there’s 11:15

they’re 9:5
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thing 9:10 12:16

17:4

things 2:24 12:3,4,5

17:2,3 18:5,8

think 3:3,10 4:5

6:16,20 9:13 11:9

11:11,15,17 12:19

16:21

thinking 9:2,3 11:18

three 6:23 8:10

11:12 12:3,4

Thursday 6:7

time 2:12,17 3:16

4:2,18 16:3,8

timeframe 4:11

today 18:8,13

Today’s 2:7

token 16:9

tomorrow 18:18

track 17:3

transcribed 19:9

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trial 7:22

tried 2:22

trouble 18:15

try 9:17

trying 15:1 17:1

Tuesday 1:10 6:2,7

6:14

turn 11:1

turned 15:17

two 6:17,17,20 12:4

15:7 16:3

typewriting 19:6

typically 3:22 4:12

8:14 17:21

typographical 11:8

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U.S 1:2

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understand 4:1 15:1

unsafe 17:18

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verbal 15:2,8

version 9:7

violation 11:3 12:3,5

17:21,22

violations 11:11,16

11:19 12:12,13

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waiting 4:18

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5:8,12 6:24 8:3

9:14 10:15 11:1,4

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wanted 5:23 18:11

18:12

way 12:1 14:9 15:17

17:1

we’ll 5:6,7 7:20 16:4

16:25 18:19

we’re 8:6

we’ve 2:12 16:9,12

Wednesday 6:7

week 4:24,25 5:2,5

5:18 6:2,11

weeks 7:19

what’s 10:11

willing 2:13

witness 8:14,16,19

9:10

won’t 4:14 5:14 6:19

wonderful 6:15

work 4:17 7:18

worked 17:2

working 8:6 17:21

writing 10:5

written 3:7

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12:17 14:15 17:20

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year 9:20 15:7,13

years 16:3 17:25,25

you’ll 7:23

you’re 15:3

you’ve 15:13

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6:2 8:10

16th 6:2,14 7:4

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16:4

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