UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 

OFFICE OF HEARINGS 

IN THE MATTER OF: 

CLEAR DAY AVIATION, INC. 

Respondent 

Monday, 

March 7, 2016 

FDMS No. 

FAA-2015-2439 

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The teleconference convened, pursuant 

to notice, at 2:00p.m. 

BEFORE: 

THE HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN, 

Administrative Law Judge 

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APPEARANCES: 

On Behalf of the Complainant: 

ZACHARY M. BERMAN, ESQ. 

of: Federal Aviation Administration 

Office of Regional Counsel 

1 Aviation Plaza 

Jamaica, NY 11434 

718-553-3258 

zachary.berman@faa.gov 

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2 2:08p.m. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. We're on the 

4 record in the matter of Clear Day Aviation, Inc. 

5 This is Docket Number FAA-2015-2439. 

6 Today is Monday, March 7, 2016. And 

7 the parties have convened for a court scheduled 

8 prehearing status conference. 

9 The Federal Aviation Administration, 

10 which I'll hereinafter refer to by its initials, 

11 the FAA, is represented by its attorney of 

12 record, Mr. Zachary M. Berman. 

13 The respondent, Clear Day Aviation, 

14 Incorporated is represented by its attorney of 

15 record, Mr. H. Brandon. He is not present today 

16 and there is no explanation as yet for his 

17 absence. 

18 The record reflects that the parties 

19 last convened on February 10, 2016 for a 

20 prehearing status conference. At that time, the 

21 parties indicated they were still discussing 

22 settlement. 

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1 They were hoping to have it scheduled, 

2 and they both agreed to reappear today on March 

3 7, 2016 at 2:00p.m. in the afternoon to provide 

4 the Court with an update on their progress. 

5 One day after the February 10, 2016 

6 scheduling conference, the Court issued an Order 

7 on February 11, 2016. This was the second Order 

8 continuing the Rule 16 Litigation Scheduling 

9 Conference, which codified the parties' 

10 agreements and indicated in writing that the 

11 conference was continued to Monday, March 7, 2016 

12 at 2:00p.m. Eastern time. 

13 So, Mr. Berman, let me turn to you 

14 first, in part because you're the only person 

15 here appearing as a litigant on behalf of the 

16 litigants, and in part because you are the 

17 complainant's counsel. Do you have any idea why 

18 Mr. Brandon has not appeared today? 

19 MR. BERMAN: No, I don't. Though I 

20 would like to apprise you of like communications 

21 I had with him. 

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1 MR. BERMAN: On Friday, this was this 

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3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And I'm sorry, could 

4 you speak up? Because it's hard to hear you. 

5 MR. BERMAN: Okay. On this past 

6 Friday, on March 4, I sent him an email in which 

7 I said that we were still having some delays in -

8 - within our agency of coming to a conclusion as 

9 to what kind of settlement agreement we want. 

10 This is based on the new compliance 

11 philosophy that we discussed at a -- regarding 

12 another case, and you know, with you. And that I 

13 would need more time. And that I would raise 

14 that with the Judge. 

15 And I asked him if he's okay with 

16 that. And then he wrote me an email, this is 

17 late on Friday when I was not working any more at 

18 the time, but Friday, where he said, how about 

19 sending a letter to the Judge so we don't have to 

20 have the call. 

21 And I didn't -- I never responded --

22 I guess I maybe in hindsight I should have 

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1 responded. And that leads to this morning, I 

2 just didn't get around to it. 

3 And my inclination was to just go 

4 ahead and have the conference, just to -- just to 

5 tell Your Honor about the situation. 

6 But, I never heard back from him 

7 afterwards. So, you know, that's all I have. 

8 And as I said -- and -- yeah. 

9 And what I'm telling you now is what 

10 I would have said had he been here, is that we're 

11 still -- the FAA internally is still working on 

12 trying to come up with a settlement proposal. 

13 That we've had some problems in coming 

14 -- because of this new compliance philosophy, and 

15 everybody's trying to get a handle on it, there's 

16 just some delays that we -- that we have in some 

17 of these cases in trying to come up with a 

18 settlement proposal that's amicable to both the 

19 Legal Division and Flight Standards. 

20 That's where we are with this case. 

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JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. What would you 

suggest we do at this point Mr. Berman? The 

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1 world is your oyster since your friend across the 

2 aisle didn't show up today. 

3 MR. BERMAN: I would suggest that we 

4 reschedule the conference until a later date, say 

5 in late -- either late March or early April. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, let me ask you 

7 this about the internal processes that are going 

8 on in your agency right now. Because this is the 

9 second case I've had just today, where this has 

10 been raised as a delay concern. 

11 And I understand that this is a whole 

12 new system for everybody. Does it mean in 

13 essence that you are no longer the decision maker 

14 regarding settlement process on a case that's 

15 been assigned to you? 

16 MR. BERMAN: Well, I never -- well, I 

17 wouldn't consider myself the decision maker, but 

18 this -- I mean, in general we don't enter into 

19 settlement agreements without the concurrence of 

20 Flight Standards. But, it's even more so in 

21 these types of cases. 

22 And this is, it's a small minority of 

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1 cases -- of cases that arose after September 3, 

2 2015. That whether to go for enforcement action 

3 or non-enforcement action, is pretty much in the 

4 hands of Flight Standards. 

5 If they decide to go for like a 

6 warning letter or a corrective action instead of 

7 an enforcement action, I and my colleagues and I 

8 will never see that case. Okay? It's only when 

9 they send it for enforcement action. 

10 The problem that you're seeing with 

11 these delays and settling the cases, arises in 

12 cases that preceded September 3, 2015 that were 

13 already initiated as legal actions. 

14 So -- and but in the spirit of the 

15 compliance philosophy, we're looking back at 

16 these cases and reevaluating them. And in some 

17 cases, downgrading the actions to warning letters 

18 or corrective actions. 

19 But, in these in particular in 

20 these cases, we need not only the concurrence of 

21 Flight Standards, but we need them as active 

22 participants. 

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1 Because they're the ones that will 

2 eventually be writing and signing I should --

3 would be a better word for it. Signing and 

4 mailing the warning notices or letters of 

5 correction act -- letters of correction that go 

6 out. 

7 They can't just say it as they do in 

8 some cases, go ahead Legal Division, do what you 

9 like. We need the we need to work more 

10 closely with Flight Standards in these cases. 

11 So, that's where the problem comes in. 

12 And everybody has to be onboard --

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 

14 MR. BERMAN: For that to happen. 

15 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. That makes 

16 perfect sense. So, let me ask you this, it 

17 sounds to me as though there's no particular time 

18 frame for the Flight Standards Office to get back 

19 to you on any particular given case. 

20 If that'S if that is so, then 

21 wouldn't it be more efficient for both of us to 

22 push this out farther then say, a month from now? 

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1 We've already tried that once and it didn't work 

2 very well. 

3 MR. BERMAN: Mm-hum. Okay. I'm-- I 

4 think two months would be reasonable. 

5 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, I am just 

6 asking. Because it doesn't appear as though a 

7 Court calendar date makes any difference to your 

8 counterparts at Flight Standards. 

9 MR. BERMAN: Well, I am trying to 

10 convey to them that I can't keep on coming, you 

11 know, like that's -- everybody's you know, I 

12 can't keep on telling the Judge that we're being 

13 delayed, and to tell the opposing counsel we need 

14 to -- you know, I tried, you know, I'm not an 

15 official deadline maker. 

16 But, you know, here in the Legal 

17 Division, we're trying to convey that. You know, 

18 we need to get these resolved. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And I'm just 

20 wondering what works best for you. Because 

21 you're the only person appearing today. And so 

22 I'm happy to give you whatever relief would make 

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1 the most sense. 

2 MR. BERMAN: Uh-huh. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: So, if you want more 

4 time, I'm happy to give you more time. 

5 MR. BERMAN: All right. 

6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Because your friend 

7 across the aisle failed to appear today. So, 

8 there's no objection to whatever request you make 

9 that's within reason. 

10 MR. BERMAN: All right. I'd like to 

11 -- have another meeting schedule two months from 

12 now. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And let's take 

14 a look at our calendars and see what works for 

15 both of us. 

16 Today is March 7, 2016. We're looking 

17 at around May 9, 2016. Does that work for you? 

18 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 

19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Do you have a 

20 preference as to morning or afternoon? 

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1 we just put --

2 MR. BERMAN: Well, actually, you know 

3 something, I prefer the afternoon. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Would 1:30, 

5 2:00, 2:30 work? Which would you like? 

6 MR. BERMAN: 2:30. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: 2:30 it is. May 9, 

8 2016, 2:30 p.m. is our it'll be the third, I 

9 think. Let's see. Let me just double check how 

10 many I have now. 

11 MR. BERMAN: Yeah, we're up to a 

12 third. 

13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Yeah. A third 

14 I'm just going to put litigation scheduling 

15 conference. And why don't I give you a 26-F 

16 deadline as well. 

17 You had one filed for February 3, 

18 2016. And it's really not going to work very 

19 well. 

20 MR. BERMAN: Right. 

21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: All right. So, I'm 

22 going to just ask you to update that if in fact 

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1 settlement doesn't occur. 

2 MR. BERMAN: Okay. 

3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And to file that by 

4 May 2, or before, depending on how things work 

5 out. 

6 MR. BERMAN: Okay. 

7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And then 

8 anything else we can do to take care of you and 

9 your client today? 

10 MR. BERMAN: No, Judge. 

11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then I thank 

12 you very much for your information and your 

13 assistance. It appears our business is complete. 

14 I'll look forward to either receiving 

15 some settlement paperwork from you, or talking to 

16 you on May 9, 2016 at 2:30 p.m. regarding 

17 litigation. 

18 MR. BERMAN: Okay. All right. Thank 

19 you. 

20 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. We can go off 

21 the record, and I wish you a good day. And good 

22 luck. 

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1 MR. BERMAN: Okay. Thanks. 

2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: All right, bye, bye. 

3 MR. BERMAN: Have a good day. 

4 JUDGE SULLIVAN: You too. 

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C E R T I F I C A T E 

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript 

In the matter of: Clear Day Aviation 

Before: DOT/OH 

Date: 03-07-16 

Place: teleconference 

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under 

my direction; further, that said transcript is a 

true and accurate record of the proceedings. 

Court Reporter 

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