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### MEMORANDU

M SUBJECT : Novembe r 3 , 198 8 Meeting s o f th e SA E Fue l Suppl y System s Subcommitte e an d J28 5 Tas k Forc e o n Nozzl e Geometry FROM : TO : THRU : Joh

n W . Mueller , Mechanica l Enginee r Standard s Developmen t an d Suppor t Br a Publi c Docke t A-87-1 1 Joh n F Standa i . Anderson , Senio r Projec t Manage r ' IJf / Afe-JL—

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d Suppor t Branc h /' ^ ' ./v*~^~- Supp o On Novembe r 3 , 198 8 I attende d the meeting s o f the Societ y o f Automotiv e Engineer s (SAE ) Fue l Suppl ySystem s Subcommitte e an d J28 5 tas k forc e on fuelin g nozzl e geometryspecifications . Th e meeting announcement s an d agenda s ar e include d her e a s a n attachment . Als o include d a s attachment s ar e copie s o f al l the handout s receive d a t th e meeting an

d referre d t o i n thi s memorandum . Th e meeting o f th e J28 5 tas k forc e wa s hel d i n th e morning . Th e purpos e o f the tas k forc e i s t o develo p a mor e complet e se t o f nozzl e geometryspecification s t o possibl y replac e th e curren t specification s i n th e SAE recommende d practic e J285 . Th e meeting began wit h a discussio n o f whethe r the specification s t o be develope d woul d appl yt o ne wnozzle s o r be use d a s a standar d fo r whe n in-us e nozzle s shoul d b e take n ou t o f service . I t wa s decide d t o develo p design specification s fo r newnozzle s firs t an d addres s the issu e o f in-us e nozzle s a t a late r date , i f desired .P. 3



### Th e remainde r o f th e J28 5 tas k forc e meeting consiste d o f discussio n an

d derivatio n o f a

n initia l se t o f nozzl e geometry specifications . Include d wit h th e meeting agenda i s a summar y o f existing standard s a s wel l a s propose d dimension s submitte d b ytas k forc e member s a t the Apri l 14 , 198 8 meeting . Mik e Harriga n o f For

d provide d drawing s o f nozzl e spout s t o demonstrat e th

e variatio n i n Ford' s recommende d dimensions . Afte r length

ydiscussion s a consensu s wa s reache d on a se t o f geometryspecification s (show n writte n i n the fina l colum n o f th e tabl e containing the previou s proposals) . I t wa s agree d tha t al l concerne d shoul d reviewth e propose d dimension s an d b e prepare d t o discus s the mfurthe r an

d approv e o r chang e the ma t th e nex t tas k forc e meeting i n earl y1989 . Finally , Mik e Harriga n provide d a handout , "Proposa l t o Revis e SAE-J285, " bu t ther e wa s n o time lef t t o discus s it . I n the afternoo n the ful l Fue l Suppl ySystem s Subcommitte e met . First , a handou t on th e 5 yea r reviewo f document s wa s discussed . Next , Glen n Moor e o f OP W summarize d the statu s o f the J28 5 tas k force' s work . Mik e Harriga n the n summarize d the effort s o f th e refueling tes t tas k force , whos e purpos e i s t o develop test s t o measur e th e fil l qualit yo f fille r pipe s an d dispensing nozzles . Finally , I provide d a n updat e on the statu s o f th

e EP Aonboard vapo r recover yrulemaking . I n answe r t o a questio n I reaffirme d tha t th e Agenc yi s no t presentl y considering mandating nozzl e geometryspecification s a s par t o f th e onboard rul e bu t tha t w e full ysuppor t the wor k o f the J28 5 tas k forc e an

d woul d likel yadop t th e revise d J28 5 specification s for th e nozzl e used i n certificatio n testing i f ther e wer e a hig h degre e o f voluntarycomplianc e wit h th e specification s withi n the nozzl e manufacturing industry . Following thes e update s a numbe r o f othe r topic s wer e briefl ydiscussed . Thes e include d working on a respons e t o IS O concerning thei r recen t adoptio n o f nozzl e geometrystandards , th e elevatio n o f the Fue l Suppl ySystem s Subcommitte e t o ful l committe e status , an d th e formatio n o f a tas k forc e t o develop fue l tan

k performanc e specifications . I t wa s decide d tha t th e nex t meeting s o f th e Committe e an

d tas k force s woul d be during the SA E Worl d Congres s i n March , 1989 . Attachment s

6552 WP. 4

' The Engineering Society For Advancing

Mobility Land Sea Ar and Space . DETROI TBRANC H OFFI C 300 1 WES

TBI G BEAVER . SUIT E 602 . TROY , M l 48084-317 4 U.S AFA X NO . (313) 649-042 5 TE L (313) 649-04 1 OCTOBE R7 , 198 8 J. \ To : Members :

- SA E Fue l Suppl y

Syste m Subcommitte e

- SA E J28 S Nozzl e Spout Tas k Forc e

- SA E J39 8 Refuelin

g Tes t Procedur e Tas k Forc e Subject : Fal l Meeting Announcemen t an dAgenda s Becaus e o f th

e highdegree o f commo ninteres t inth

e Subcommitte e an

dit s Tas k Force s we hav

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e sam e da y to minimiz e trave l an dtim e commitments . The meeting s are scheduleda s follows :

Date : Thursday , Novembe r 3 , 198 8 Location : Ramada In nnea r Detroi t Metro Airpor t 827 0 Wickha

m Rd . Romulus , Michigan4817 4 313-729-630 0 Time : 9:00-11:0 0 AM ' .Fue l Nozzl e Tas k Forc e Fue l Fil l Procedur e Tas k Forc e 1:00-3:0 0 P

M Fue l Suppl y

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Tas k Forc e leader s an dthos e member s o f th e tas k force s who are intereste di nothe r subcommitte e busines s needt o attendedth

e Subcommitte e meetin g inth e afternoon . A char t summarizin

g current an

dproposednozzl e spout dimension s ha s bee n includedwit hth

e Nozzl e Tas k Forc e Agenda s o tha t member s cancom e preparedto develo pa consensu s recommendatio nfo r SAE . W e encourage al l member s to rea dth e agenda s an

dcom e prepared(withyour ow n han dout s i f appropriate ) s o tha t w e canhav

e meaningfu l discussion s an dbegi nt

o develo pne w SA E documents . Pleas e fil l ou t th

e attache

dfor m to indicat e whethe r or no t yo ucanatten dan d retur nthe m b y mai l t o Darlen

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E Detroi t Chapte r Headquarters .

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## 1 / / SUBJECT : SA E Fue l Suppl ySvstemSubcommitte e - Fal l Meetin g MEETIN GDATE : TIME : ThursdayNov . 3 . 198 8 CONFIR M B YCALLING : M . J . Harriga n (313 ) 594-106 2 1:0 0 o r Darlen e Crocke r (313 ) 649-042 2 DURATION : 2. 5 Hour s CHAIRMAN : Michae l J . Harriga n LOCATION : Raraad

a Inn nea r Detroi t Metr o Airpor t 

## V / DESIRED OUTCOMES : 1 ) Complet e the 5 yea r revie wo f document s 2 ) Revie wprogres s o f th e Nozzl e Spou t Tas k Forc e and th e Refuelin g Tes t Procedur e Tas k Force . 3 ) Revie wplan s fo r On-Boar d Refuelin g Vapo r Recovery 4 ) Agre e o n meeting schedul e an d nex t meeting dat e
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AITEM S Introduction s Approva l o f Feb . 29 , 198 8 Meetin g Minute s Statu s o f 5 yea r Revie wo f Document s

- J28 5 Nozzl e Spout s

- J39 8 Fue l Fillin g

- J829 c Cam-o n Cap

- J111 4 Threade d Cap

- J114 0 Stag e I I Emissio n

Fille r and Spou t Statu s o f Nozzl e Spou t Tas k Force . Statu s o f Refueling Tes t On-Boar d Refuelin g Vapo r Recovery

- Statu s o f Rul e Makin g • SAE standard s and the EP A

- SAE action s t o suppor t Ol d Busines s IS O Nozzl e Spou t Std . Ne wBusines s Nex t Meetin g Adjor n PERSON S RESPONSIBL E Chairma n Chairma n Al l Glen n Moor e Kiet h Kerb

y Bil l Crut e Bil l Crut e Glen n Moor e Glen n Moor e Keit h Kirb

y Joh n Muelle r Al l Al l Glenn Moor e Al l Al l PROCES S
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PROPOSA L T O REVIS E SAE-J28 5 GASOLINE DISPENSCE R NOZZL E SPOUTS . 1 . SCOPE : . . ' Thi s recommende d practic e defines :

- Asystemfo r differentiating betwee n "UNLEADE D FUEL " nozzl e spout s and al l othe r fue l nozzl e spout s i f vehicl e emissio n contro l equipmen t require s unleade d fue l and othe r fue l no t meetin g .thi s specificatio n i s available . Thes e difference s establis h a basi s o n whic h fue l fille r inlet s tha t wil l accep t onl y"UNLEADE D FUEL " can b e designed . Ase t o f dimension s fo r al l nozzl e spout s whic h ar e compatibl e wit h pum p hange r requirement s an d complet e enough t o permi t th e design o f uniform fue l fille r inlet s whic h wil l accep t fue l i n a satisfactorymanne r fro mal l nozzle s produce d withi n the rang e o f dimension s specified .

- Astandar d tes t procedur e fo r user s o f gasolin e fue l dispense r nozzle s t o verif ythe proper , manufacturer s specifie d performanc e o f fue l dispense r nozzl e automati c shutof f mechanisms .

- Astandar d forma t fo r manufacturer s t o specif ythe flo wrat e v s pressur e capabilit yo f fue l dispensing nozzles .

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/ / SUBJECT : SA E J28 5 Nozzl e Soou t Tas k Fore s MEETIN G DATE : TIME : < a ^ rtyv. 3 . 198 8 CONFIR M B Y CALLING : DarXflnft-Crogka y313-649-0422 _ MEETIN G LEADER(S): . Glen n Moog e S13-870-3202 _ DURATION : 2-Ahou

? LOCATION : Raaad a Inn nea r Detroi t Me.fiKQ-AUSlog e 

## V /TARTTCCWSKXS : " — | Al l intereste d member s o f the SA E Fue l Suppl ySystesa Subcommitte e j Al l intereste d manufacturer s and rebuilder s o f refuelin g nozzle s I •• . ' \ • /*T5ESIttQT0in;C0MES : T o develo p an d recommend t o the SA E Fue l Suppl ySystemSubcommitte e a mor e complet e se t o f dimension s fo r a nozzl e spout . T o provid e bette r contro l an d improve d refueling quality . (REF : SAE J39 8 Fue l Tan k Fille r Conditions ) Th e ne wspout/dimension s ma yals o provid e a spou t fo r us e wit h on-boar d refuelin g vapo r contro l
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- wha t shoul d dimensio n be ?

- wha t i s th e rational e ? Discus s potentia l nozzl e performanc e standard s

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# -J / SUBJECT : SAE J39 8 Refuelin g Tes t Procedur e Tas k Forc e MEETIN G DATE : TIME : ThursdayNov .

9:0 0 DURATION : 2 hour s LOCATION : JEUaada_Jj mnea r Detroi t Metr o Airport : 

## V /TSm^iPART^ i : ; | Al l intereste d member s o f th e SA E Fue l Suppl ySystemSubcommitte e % 198 8 CONFIR

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/T5E^RE)O3m^0HES : T o develo p an d recommend t o th e SA E Fue l Suppl ySystemSubcommitte e a refuelin g tes t procedur e whic h wil l evaluat e fil l qualit yunde r typica l condition s encountere d byvehicl e operator s i n additio n t o determinin g th e actua l refil l capacit yo f a vehicl e fue l tank . Th e procedur e shoul d provid e a metho d t o determin e the contributio n o f th e nozzl e an d the vehicl e fil l systemt o refuelin g quality . Th e procedur e shoul d hav e capabilit yt o b e expande d int o a n On-Boar d Refuelin g Vapo r Recoverytes t procedure . / 

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- ho wshoul d i t b e measure d

- wha t equipmen t i s req'd. ?

- wha t ar e the step s i n the proces s ?

- wha t ar e th e acceptanc e criteri a ? Divide.u

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Ctiro . dtp«ei«ion « o i «K»> g t i lh « mtnultcluiti' l Oiscitlio nTABL E 1 SUMMAR YSTATU S O F DOCUMENT S SA E FUE L SUPPL YSYSTE M SUBCOMMITTE E Documen t Nunbe r Documen t Titl e Documen t Typ e Officia l Recorde r Statu s - March , 198 8 J28 5 Gasolin e Dispence r Nozzl e Spout s Recommende d Prac t i c e G. E . Moor e O P UDivisio n Dove r Corporatio n Bo x40500 3 C i n c i nna t i , O hi o 513-870-320 2 45240*500 3 Reaffirmed . Publishe d

Februar y

1988 . Wor ki s underwa y

t o develo pmor e extensiv e dimensiona l an d performanc e standard s t o improv e compatibilit y uit hfille r pipe s an di n preparatio nfo r possible ' EP A OBRV Rregulations . J39 8 Fue l Tan kFille r Conditio n• Passenge r Car , Recommende d

Mult i Purpos e Passenge r Vehicl e an dLigh t Practic e Dut y Trucks . Kiet hA . Kerb y Chrysle r Corp . 1280 0 Chrysle r CIM S 418-36-0 6 Highlan dPark , 313-956-173 4

D r . Nich . 4820 3 Reaffirmed . Publishe d Februar y

1988 . Wor ki s beginnin g t o includ e fi I lin g qualit y requ i rements . J829 c Fue l Tan kFille r Ca pan dCa pRetaine r Standar d Willia m G . Crut e 317-825-312 1 Reaffirmed . Publishe d Stan t Mfg . Co . Februar y 1988 . 162 0 Columb i a Ave . ConnersviIle , Indian a 4733 1 J111 4 Fue l Tan kFille r Ca pan dCa pRetaine r

Threade dPressur e - Vacuu m Typ e Recommende d Practic e Ui11ia m G . Crut e (Sam e a s above ) 5 yea r revie w ballot s returne dwit hcomments . Revise dtext , whic h include drecognitio no f uniqu e Japanes e ca p retaine r designs , wa s reviewe db y

members . Method s t o preven t interchangin g Vente dv s Non-Vente dca pdesign s i s a nope nissue . J114 0 Fille r Pipe s an dOpening s

Fue l Tank s o f Moto r Vehicl e Recommende d Practic e

SAEstatu s mjh/88100 2 GIen nE . (Sam e a s Moor e

above ) Reaffirmed . Publishe d Februar y

1988 . Wor ki s underwa y

t o develo pmor e extensiv e dimensiona l standardizatio no f spou t t o improv e compatibilit y wit hfille r pipe s an di n preparatio nfo r possibl e E P A OBRV Rregulations .

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