From: Rosenstock, Steven [mailto:SRosenstock@eei.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:46 PM

To: Richard Parker; Polinski, Raymond

Cc: Wes Patterson; Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Al ex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert Berman; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, Dave; David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Er ic Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; Greg Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freema n, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry Hodge; Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Cask ey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Meg Waltner; Pamela Costello; Ryan, Paul ; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Rob
Greeson; Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskir k; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Nadel, Steve; Tim Ballo;
Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo; Rakowski, Jim Subject: RE: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers



### Thanks. Equivalent treatment in terms of LCC impacts and impacts on steel manufacturers, customers,

transformer manufacturers....



### Steve Rosenstock Manager, Energy Solutions

Edison Electric Institute srosenstock@eei.org

202-508-5465

From: Richard Parker [ mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com ]

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:13 PM

To: Polinski, Raymond

Cc: Wes Patterson; Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Al ex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert Berman; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, Dave; David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Er ic Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; Greg Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freema n, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry Hodge; Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Cask ey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Meg Waltner; Pam Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Rob Greeson;
Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Nadel, Steve; Rosenstock, Steven;
Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo; Rakowski, Jim Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers



### Colleagues,

First, Ray, that is very good news!

### You all deserve credit for the hard work and spir it of compromise on all sides that went into producing a consensus on EL 2 for DL 12, the ma jor design line for medium-voltage dry type. We also have an agreement to form a technical working group to work out the appropriate adjustments to provide equivalent treatment of the other design lines in the MVDT super-class (9, 10, 11, and 13a and b.) .

Please let me know ASAP if you are available to be a part of this working group. I will ask the group to select its own foreman and start work ing with Navigant staff immediately.

John Cymbalsky has promised to get back with more detailed guidance on timing after he has consulted in-house, but under any scenario time is short.

I am confident that with goodwill an d a little more work on the technical side we can arrive in short order on appropriate and equivalent treatment for the other design lines..

With best wishes,

Richard Parker

Facilitator

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Polinski, Raymond < Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com >

wrote:

ATI will vote yes for EL2 for design line 12 and stand by with the balance of the MVDT committee

members to understand how the balance of the MVDT design lines will be handled.

Raymond J. Polinski.

General Manager, Grain

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From: Richard Parker [mailto: richardparkerdc@gmail.com ]

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:21 AM

To: Wes Patterson

Cc: Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Alex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert Berman; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Sm ith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan;
Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, Dave; David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Eric Pe terson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; Greg
Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freeman, Je remiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry Hodge; Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Caskey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Meg Waltner; Pam Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Polinski, Raymond; Rob
Greeson; Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Bus kirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Steve Nadel; Steve
Rosenstock; Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers



### Wes,

Yes. If the group can agree on an EL for DL 12, I'm reasonably confident that a technical working sub-group can work out the technical de tails for the other product lines you mentioned

after the call.

Richard

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Wes Patterson < wes.patterson@us.abb.com > wrote:

Hi Richard

For the discussion on MVDT I would like to add the following steel distribution analysis required to produce open wound transforme rs at the varying dEL levels.

This data was determined by reviewing actual shipment records over a 12 month period June 2010 to June 2011. The products are la rgely in the DL12 space (3ph, 95BIL, 1500-200KVA).

I agree that a focus on DL12 will focus the conversation.

But I would like to emphasize that, assuming we can arrive at a significant improvement in the efficiency of DL12, we will not be able to match the same improvement for

 

### MVDT single-phase products 

### MVDT small three-phase products (<= 300KVA)

 

### MVDT products with BIL's > 95KV

Perhaps we can agree to work out t hese details with t he DOE following the

teleconference?

Best regards

Wes

Richard Parker < richardparkerdc@gmail.com >

12/14/2011 08:08 AM To Alex Hofmann < ahofmann@publicpower.org >, Andrew Delaski

< adelaski@standardsASAP.org >, Aris Marantan

< amarantan@navigant.com >, Art Rosenfeld < artrosenfeld@gmail.com >, Bob Saint < robert.saint@nreca.coop >, Bob Smith

< bsmith@federalpacific.com >, Brenda Edwards

< Brenda.Edwards@ee.doe.gov >, Brian Coffey

< brian.coffey@navigant.com >, Caitlin Johnson

< Caitlin.Johnson@navigant.com >, Carlos Gaytan

< carlos.gaytan@ge.com >, "Caskey, John" < john.caskey@nema.org >, Charlie Drexler < charlied@uus.org >, Charlie Stevens

< cstephens@neea.org >, Chris Bolduc < cabolduc@lbl.gov >, Chris Brown

< chris.brown@cogentpowerinc.com >, Clark Silcox

< clark.silcox@nema.org >, "Creevy, Jim" < Jim.Creevy@nema.org >, Dan
Cohen < daniel.cohen@hq.doe.gov >, Daniel Young < DYoung@energysolution.com >, David Flaten < david.l.flaten@xcelenergy.com >, Emily

Marchetti < Emily.Marchetti@ee.doe.gov >, Eric Peterson

< Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com >, "Freeman, Jeremiah"

< Jeremiah.Freeman@ee.doe.gov >, Gary Fernstrom < gbf1@pge.com >, Greg Coulter < greg.coulter405@gmail.com >, Greg Rosenquist

< GJRosenquist@lbl.gov >, "Hirsch, Bruce R" < bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com >, James Lass < James.Lass@cleco.com >, Jennifer Tiedeman

< Jennifer.Tiedeman@hq.doe.gov >, Jerry Corkran

< jerry.corkran@cooperindustries.com >, Jerry Hodge

< jhodge@howard.com >, Jerry Schoen < jerry.schoen@aksteel.com >, Jim

Raba < Jim.Raba@ee.doe.gov >, Joanna Mauer

< jmauer@standardsasap.org >, John Cymbalsky

< john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov >, John Rossetti < jrossetti@mlgw.org >, Katie Coughlin < kcoughlin@lbl.gov >, Ken Winder

< kwinder@mleainc.com >, "Mahesh P. Sampat"

< maheshsampat@bellsouth.net >, Matthew Nardotti

< matthew.nardotti@navigant.com >, Maxine Savitz

< maxinesavitz@aol.com >, Meg Waltner < mwaltner@nrdc.org >, "Meyers,

Aaron" < Aaron.Meyers@cooperindustries.com >, Michael Hyland

< mhyland@appanet.org >, Michael Rivest < mrivest@navigant.com >, "Millure, Dave" < dave.millure@metglas.com >, Pam Costello

< pamela.costello@navigant.com >, Phil Harter < phil@pjharter.com >, Phil Hopkinson < phopkinson@hvolt.com >, "Polinski, Raymond"

< Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com >, Puesh Kumar

< pkumar@publicpower.org >, "Richard W. Parker"

< richardparkerdc@gmail.com >, Rick Anderson

< rick.anderson@faypwc.com >, Rob Greeson

< rgreeson@federalpacific.com >, Robert Berman

< bermaneconomics@gmail.com >, Robert van Buskirk

< Robert.VanBuskirk@ee.doe.gov >, Robin Roy < rroy@nrdc.org >, "Ryan,

Paul" < Paul.Ryan@hitmet.com >, Scott Beck < ScottB@lvmetals.com >, "Simmons, Chuck" < chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com >, Steve Nadel

< snadel@aceee.org >, Steve Rosenstock < srosenstock@eei.org >, Ted

Johnstone < ted.johnstone@cogentpowerinc.com >, Thomas Petrosino

< tpetrosino@carolina.rr.com >, Tim Ballo < tballo@earthjustice.org >, Tom

Eckman < Teckman@nwcouncil.org >, Wes Patterson/SouthBoston/USTRA/ABB@ABB, Zhimei Luo

< zhimei.luo@navigant.com >

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Subject Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers

### Dear Colleagues,

As you know, today's conference call is the last scheduled event of our negotiated rulemaking process on medium-voltage transformers. It is scheduled to run from 11 am to 1 pm, though we

will end sooner if we finish our business sooner.

I propose that we use th e time to do two things:

1) See if we can get to yes on an EL to recommend for DL 12, th ereby creating a clear foundation an agreement on MVDT.

I propose to focus on DL 12 because DLs 9, 10, and 11 are very small in sales (about 5 % of the market combined). E.g., 135 DL 11 units shi pped in in 2009, whereas 1936 DL 12 units were

sold.

Also, these other DLs should scale off of DL 12 , except for the low kVA portion (< 300 KvA) of

DL 11 which is even smaller. DL 13 is a high-BIL version of DL 12 (and the upper end of DL11) and also can be treated as variant of DL12. Adjustment factors for DLs 9, 10, 11 and 13 have been proposed by NEMA, but I would suggest that these can be treated separately as part of a technical exercise, that we can discuss if we can get to yes on the big issue, which is DL 12

2) Discuss next steps, if any, for th is group on liquid-filled transformers.

Attached for your review is a chart containi ng the key LCC information for DL 12, with 2010 price results and 2011 price results displayed side-by-side for ease of reference. Also attached are the full LBL and Engineeri ng Analysis results for both 2 010 prices and 2011 prices. 2011 prices are what were are focusi ng on, but 2010 prices offers a useful reference (sensitivity if you will).

I look forward to talking with you at 11. This wi ll be a time for bottom lines. We know the

arguments.

Best,

Richard Parker

Facilitator

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