From: Rosenstock, Steven [mailto:SRosenstock@eei.org] 

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:46 PM 

To: Richard Parker; Polinski, Raymond 

Cc: Wes Patterson; Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Alex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert 

Berman; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos 

Gaytan; Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, 

Dave; David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; 

Greg Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freeman, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry 

Hodge; Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Caskey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie 

Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael 

Rivest; Meg Waltner; Pamela Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Rob 

Greeson; Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Nadel, Steve; Tim Ballo; 

Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo; Rakowski, Jim 

Subject: RE: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers 

Thanks.  Equivalent treatment in terms of LCC impacts and impacts on steel manufacturers, customers,

transformer manufacturers....

Steve Rosenstock 

Manager, Energy Solutions 

Edison Electric Institute 

srosenstock@eei.org

202-508-5465 

From: Richard Parker [mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:13 PM 

To: Polinski, Raymond 

Cc: Wes Patterson; Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Alex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert 

Berman; Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos 

Gaytan; Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, 

Dave; David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; 

Greg Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freeman, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry 

Hodge; Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Caskey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie 

Coughlin; Ken Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael 

Rivest; Meg Waltner; Pam Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Rob Greeson; 

Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Nadel, Steve; Rosenstock, Steven; 

Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo; Rakowski, Jim 

Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers 

Colleagues, 

First, Ray, that is very good news! 
You all deserve credit for the hard work and spirit of compromise on all sides that went into 

producing a consensus on EL 2 for DL 12, the major design line for medium-voltage dry type. 

We also have an agreement to form a technical working group to work out the appropriate 

adjustments to provide equivalent treatment of the other design lines in the MVDT super-class 

(9, 10, 11, and 13a and b.) . 

Please let me know ASAP if you are available to be a part of this working group. I will ask the 

group to select its own foreman and start working with Navigant staff immediately. 

John Cymbalsky has promised to get back with more detailed guidance on timing after he has 

consulted in-house, but under any scenario time is short. 

I am confident that with goodwill and a little more work on the technical side we can arrive in 

short order on appropriate and equivalent treatment for the other design lines.. 

With best wishes, 

Richard Parker 

Facilitator 

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Polinski, Raymond <Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com> 

wrote: 

ATI will vote yes for EL2 for design line 12 and stand by with the balance of the MVDT committee

members to understand how the balance of the MVDT design lines will be handled.

Raymond J. Polinski.

General Manager, Grain‐Oriented Electrical Steel (GOES)

ATI Allegheny Ludlum

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From: Richard Parker [mailto:richardparkerdc@gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:21 AM 

To: Wes Patterson 

Cc: Meyers, Aaron; Andrew Delaski; Alex Hofmann; Aris Marantan; Art Rosenfeld; Robert Berman; 

Brenda Edwards; Brian Coffey; Hirsch, Bruce R; Bob Smith; Chris Bolduc; Caitlin Johnson; Carlos Gaytan; 

Charlie Drexler; Chris Brown; Simmons, Chuck; Clark Silcox; Charlie Stevens; Dan Cohen; Millure, Dave; 

David Flaten; Daniel Young; Emily Marchetti; Eric Peterson; Gary Fernstrom; Greg Rosenquist; Greg 

Coulter; James Lass; Jennifer Tiedeman; Freeman, Jeremiah; Jerry Corkran; Jerry Schoen; Jerry Hodge; 

Creevy, Jim; Jim Raba; Joanna Mauer; Caskey, John; John Cymbalsky; John Rossetti; Katie Coughlin; Ken 

Winder; Mahesh P. Sampat; Matthew Nardotti; Maxine Savitz; Michael Hyland; Michael Rivest; Meg 

Waltner; Pam Costello; Ryan, Paul; Phil Harter; Phil Hopkinson; Puesh Kumar; Polinski, Raymond; Rob 

Greeson; Rick Anderson; Bob Saint; Robert van Buskirk; Robin Roy; Scott Beck; Steve Nadel; Steve 

Rosenstock; Tim Ballo; Tom Eckman; Ted Johnstone; Thomas Petrosino; Zhimei Luo 

Subject: Re: Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers

 

Wes, 

Yes. If the group can agree on an EL for DL12, I'm reasonably confident that a technical 

working sub-group can work out the technical details for the other product lines you mentioned 

after the call. 

Richard 

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Wes Patterson <wes.patterson@us.abb.com> wrote: 

Hi Richard 

For the discussion on MVDT I would like to add the following steel distribution analysis 

required to produce open wound transformers at the varying dEL levels. 

This data was determined by reviewing actual shipment records over a 12 month period 

June 2010 to June 2011. The products are largely in the DL12 space (3ph, 95BIL, 

1500-200KVA). 

I agree that a focus on DL12 will focus the conversation. 

But I would like to emphasize that, assuming we can arrive at a significant improvement 

in the efficiency of DL12, we will not be able to match the same improvement for 

 MVDT single-phase products 
 MVDT small three-phase products (<= 300KVA) 

 MVDT products with BIL's > 95KV

Perhaps we can agree to work out these details with the DOE following the 

teleconference? 

Best regards 

Wes 

Richard Parker <richardparkerdc@gmail.com>

12/14/2011 08:08 AM 

To Alex Hofmann <ahofmann@publicpower.org>, Andrew Delaski 

<adelaski@standardsASAP.org>, Aris Marantan 

<amarantan@navigant.com>, Art Rosenfeld <artrosenfeld@gmail.com>, 

Bob Saint <robert.saint@nreca.coop>, Bob Smith 

<bsmith@federalpacific.com>, Brenda Edwards 

<Brenda.Edwards@ee.doe.gov>, Brian Coffey 

<brian.coffey@navigant.com>, Caitlin Johnson 

<Caitlin.Johnson@navigant.com>, Carlos Gaytan 

<carlos.gaytan@ge.com>, "Caskey, John" <john.caskey@nema.org>, 

Charlie Drexler <charlied@uus.org>, Charlie Stevens 

<cstephens@neea.org>, Chris Bolduc <cabolduc@lbl.gov>, Chris Brown 

<chris.brown@cogentpowerinc.com>, Clark Silcox 

<clark.silcox@nema.org>, "Creevy, Jim" <Jim.Creevy@nema.org>, Dan 

Cohen <daniel.cohen@hq.doe.gov>, Daniel Young <DYoung@energysolution.com>, David Flaten <david.l.flaten@xcelenergy.com>, Emily 

Marchetti <Emily.Marchetti@ee.doe.gov>, Eric Peterson 

<Eric.Petersen@aksteel.com>, "Freeman, Jeremiah" 

<Jeremiah.Freeman@ee.doe.gov>, Gary Fernstrom <gbf1@pge.com>, 

Greg Coulter <greg.coulter405@gmail.com>, Greg Rosenquist 

<GJRosenquist@lbl.gov>, "Hirsch, Bruce R" <bruce.r.hirsch@bge.com>, 

James Lass <James.Lass@cleco.com>, Jennifer Tiedeman 

<Jennifer.Tiedeman@hq.doe.gov>, Jerry Corkran 

<jerry.corkran@cooperindustries.com>, Jerry Hodge 

<jhodge@howard.com>, Jerry Schoen <jerry.schoen@aksteel.com>, Jim 

Raba <Jim.Raba@ee.doe.gov>, Joanna Mauer 

<jmauer@standardsasap.org>, John Cymbalsky 

<john.cymbalsky@ee.doe.gov>, John Rossetti <jrossetti@mlgw.org>, 

Katie Coughlin <kcoughlin@lbl.gov>, Ken Winder 

<kwinder@mleainc.com>, "Mahesh P. Sampat" 

<maheshsampat@bellsouth.net>, Matthew Nardotti 

<matthew.nardotti@navigant.com>, Maxine Savitz 

<maxinesavitz@aol.com>, Meg Waltner <mwaltner@nrdc.org>, "Meyers, 

Aaron" <Aaron.Meyers@cooperindustries.com>, Michael Hyland 

<mhyland@appanet.org>, Michael Rivest <mrivest@navigant.com>, 

"Millure, Dave" <dave.millure@metglas.com>, Pam Costello 

<pamela.costello@navigant.com>, Phil Harter <phil@pjharter.com>, Phil 

Hopkinson <phopkinson@hvolt.com>, "Polinski, Raymond" 

<Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com>, Puesh Kumar 

<pkumar@publicpower.org>, "Richard W. Parker" 

<richardparkerdc@gmail.com>, Rick Anderson 

<rick.anderson@faypwc.com>, Rob Greeson 

<rgreeson@federalpacific.com>, Robert Berman 

<bermaneconomics@gmail.com>, Robert van Buskirk 

<Robert.VanBuskirk@ee.doe.gov>, Robin Roy <rroy@nrdc.org>, "Ryan, 

Paul" <Paul.Ryan@hitmet.com>, Scott Beck <ScottB@lvmetals.com>, 

"Simmons, Chuck" <chuck.simmons@pgnmail.com>, Steve Nadel 

<snadel@aceee.org>, Steve Rosenstock <srosenstock@eei.org>, Ted 

Johnstone <ted.johnstone@cogentpowerinc.com>, Thomas Petrosino 

<tpetrosino@carolina.rr.com>, Tim Ballo <tballo@earthjustice.org>, Tom 

Eckman <Teckman@nwcouncil.org>, Wes 

Patterson/SouthBoston/USTRA/ABB@ABB, Zhimei Luo 

<zhimei.luo@navigant.com>

cc

Subject Today's Conference Call on Medium-Voltage Transformers
 

 

Dear Colleagues, 

As you know, today's conference call is the last scheduled event of our negotiated rulemaking 

process on medium-voltage transformers. It is scheduled to run from 11 am to 1 pm, though we 

will end sooner if we finish our business sooner. 

I propose that we use the time to do two things: 

1) See if we can get to yes on an EL to recommend for DL 12, thereby creating a clear 

foundation an agreement on MVDT. 

I propose to focus on DL 12 because DLs 9, 10, and 11 are very small in sales (about 5 % of the 

market combined). E.g., 135 DL 11 units shipped in in 2009, whereas 1936 DL 12 units were 

sold. 

Also, these other DLs should scale off of DL 12, except for the low kVA portion (< 300 KvA) of 

DL 11 which is even smaller. DL 13 is a high-BIL version of DL 12 (and the upper end of 

DL11) and also can be treated as variant of DL12. Adjustment factors for DLs 9, 10, 11 and 13 

have been proposed by NEMA, but I would suggest that these can be treated separately as part of 

a technical exercise, that we can discuss if we can get to yes on the big issue, which is DL 12 

2) Discuss next steps, if any, for this group on liquid-filled transformers. 

Attached for your review is a chart containing the key LCC information for DL 12, with 2010 

price results and 2011 price results displayed side-by-side for ease of reference. Also attached 

are the full LBL and Engineering Analysis results for both 2010 prices and 2011 prices. 2011 

prices are what were are focusing on, but 2010 prices offers a useful reference (sensitivity if you 

will). 

I look forward to talking with you at 11. This will be a time for bottom lines. We know the 

arguments. 

Best, 

Richard Parker 

Facilitator 
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