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Hillary's hacked emails with us to disseminate. And he said no, but it looks like he
intends to do it himself, so maybe he will address the problem for us.

Is that your language or someone else's?

MR. NIX: That email, it's clearly written from -- sent from my email
account.

MR. SCHIFF: So that's your language?

MR. NIX: That is correct, sir.

MR. SCHIFF: Now, you reference in there that -- that you reached out to
Assange or your company reached out to Assange to ask him to share Hillary's
hacked emails with us to disseminate. So that would indicate that your purpose
was dissemination, was it not?

MR. NIX: Again, firstly, I'm not entirely sure of the relevance of this.

And, secondly, because the answer was no, we will never know what the
ultimate purpose was, because the intention clearly could have been influenced by
the content of the emails. So --

MR. SCHIFF: Mr. Nix, you don't think it's relevant that you were
communicating with someone that you were seeking Hillary's hacked emails to
disseminate? Somehow you think that's irrelevant?

MR. MUYSKENS: | think you're mischaracterizing what he said, but --

MR. SCHIFF: Well, | think he just said that he didn't see the relevance.

Did you not?

MR. MUYSKENS: We can argue about this all day, but you are
mischaracterizing it.

MR. SCHIFF: Really. Would you read back what Mr. Nix said?

[The reporter read back the record as requested.]

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MR. NIX: My understanding is that, for legal reasons, it could not be called
Defeat Crooked Hillary because -- and, again, you'd have is to seek counsel on
this, but | believe there is something against using a candidate's name in the PAC.

MS. SPEIER: So Rebekah Mercer and Steve Bannon were an integral
part of this PAC?

MR. NIX: Rebekah Mercer was involved in the PAC, but Steve Bannon
was not.

MS. SPEIER: Is that because there was a firewall and he was working on
the campaign?

MR. NIX: That is correct.

MS. SPEIER: And Rebekah Mercer then would pay Cambridge Analytica
for the services that were rendered under this PAC?

MR. NIX: Rebekah Mercer would pay the -- or, sorry, Rebekah Mercer and
any other donors to the PAC would pay the PAC, and the PAC would then engage
the services of Cambridge Analytica.

MS. SPEIER: And were there other donors to the PAC?

MR. NIX: I'm afraid you'd have to check with FEC filings, ma'am. | can't
recall that.

MS. SPEIER: Well, how much was in the PAC?

MR. NIX: Again, | believe that's a matter of public record, so you should be
able to find that very easily.

MS. SPEIER: Well, we may be able to, but I'm curious, you must have
created a budget to provide the services to the PAC. So what was your budget?

MR. NIX: Please understand, ma'am, | run the business of the business.

{ don't run and work on specific campaigns. So | was engaged with not just

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what did they work on?

MR. NIX: So our role on the campaign was to provide a lot of in-depth
quantitative research, to provide data analytics and predictive modeling, provide
digital engagement, and optimize linear broadcast television engagement.

MS. SPEIER: So those are the kinds of functions that they perform?

MR. NIX: That's correct.

MS. SPEIER: And how many were in New York and how many in D.C.
and how many in Arlington?

MR. NIX: Do you mean how many were working on the campaign --

MS. SPEIER: Yes, in each of those cities.

MR. NIX: -- from those locations?

MS. SPEIER: Uh-huh.

MR. NIX: So we had a team based in San Antonio at the offices of Brad
Parscale, and we had some members based in Trump Tower, and then we had
some of our team members were based out of D.C. and some out of London.

MS. SPEIER: So were you engaged in formulating the policy on Russia?

MR. NIX: Sorry. | can't begin to answer that question. Do you mean the
campaign policy?

MR. NIX: Yes.

MR. NIX: No, we weren't.

MS. SPEIER: Were you asked to poll --

MR. NIX: | don't think -- the campaign didn't have a policy.

MS. SPEIER: Well, actually the President spoke out and gave a foreign
policy speech in March of 2016 that was quite significant and talked about

reengaging in Russia and developing a better relationship with Russia.

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both a Delta Force soldier, obviously a three-star general, head of the DIA, and
obviously his experience in the commercial space, he was ideally placed to help
an emerging company such as ours to break into the U.S. defense space.

Q__ Who recommended General Flynn to you?

A Gosh, | don't know. | think I'd come across him -- | think | knew his
name. We'd had a bit of business in U.S. defense for nearly 12 or 13 years by
that stage. But | don't know how, specifically, | came across him.

Q__ Did your defense division ever move to the U.S.?

Did it ever?
Yes.

Yes. We have an office located in Arlington, as | mentioned earlier.

Oo > O >

Did you hire General Flynn as a consultant?

A Wemade an offer to General Flynn to become an adviser/consultant
to the company. We were in the process of formalizing that relationship
contractually when he was offered a place in the administration.

As a result of that and before he could contract and accept, formally accept,
a role with Cambridge Analytica, he had to decline, as do all personnel joining the
administration. They're no longer allowed to have roles or associations with
private companies.

Q__Is General Flynn -- did he become a board member?

A __ No, he was never offered a seat on the board. He was only ever
offered a role as an adviser. And, as | mentioned, before he was able to formally
accept and contract this role, he had to turn it down.

Q How many meetings did you have with General Flynn after that initial

May 2016 meeting?

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the Trump campaign between $650,000 and $800,000 a month to have everyone
at Cambridge Analytica on the campaign.

It's dated in August. So by then the PAC is created and the firewall is up,
and you're having an email exchange with him about how much it was going to
cost the campaign to have Cambridge Analytica provide services. Is that fair to
say?

MR. NIX: Yes, ma'am, that's absolutely correct. So under the firewall
regulations, I'm allowed to discuss with the campaign sales and commercial
opportunities of which this was. It was an opportunity to up-sell or cross-sell our
services.

The firewall is really to prohibit strategic knowledge about what the
campaign is doing, i.e., what work it's working on, who it might be targeting, what
its strategy or plan is with the super-PAC, to prevent the super-PAC from then
putting PAC dollars behind a similar strategy.

So there's nothing to prevent me from speaking to Brad Parscale or Steve
Bannon or any of the campaigns about pitching for more work.

MS. SPEIER: And unfortunately, we're going to have to leave to go vote at
the Capitol. So | think we're going to continue this through staff, and hopefully
we'll be back. So thank you very much.

Hc an go off the record.

[Recess.]

ME hank you very much.

Mr. Nix, thanks again. Appreciate it. | don't have much more at all.
MR. MUYSKENS: Yeah, can | just -- do you mind if | ask a question or put

something on the record?

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MR. QUIGLEY: Sure. You mentioned Mr. Manafort there, and that's the
only time you had met Mr. Gates or Mr. Manafort. Were you in communication
with either of those two gentlemen, by phone or by social media?

MR. NIX: If! had been, the only communication would have been to set up
the meeting that we had and then to follow up on that meeting to understand if
there was appetite to move an engagement forward. Whether that was done by
myself -- probably the setting up of the meeting might have been done by my
office or my secretary, but not by myself. It might have been done by telephone
call. I'd have to have a look at the emails we sent you.

| would have thought it quite likely that | followed up with a thank you for the
meeting, but before -- before anything substantial was taken forward in terms of an
engagement, Mr. Manafort was removed as campaign manager. So the
conversation ended anyway.

MR. QUIGLEY: Yeah. And Mr. Lewandowski at some point left as well,
correct?

MR. NIX: Well, Mr. Lewandowski left before Mr. Manafort was appointed.
Hence, Mr. Manafort was appointed.

MR. QUIGLEY: No, | understand. What want to ask is, did you stay in
touch with either of those two gentlemen by any other means?

MR. NIX: No, absolutely not. | had no personal relationship with either
Mr. Lewandowski nor with Mr. Manafort nor with Mr. Gates.

MR. QUIGLEY: Let me ask you about Dan Scavino.

MR. NIX: I'm afraid | don't know who that gentleman is.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. You talked about your meeting with Mr. Kushner.
| believe the date would be June 9th, 2016.

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A Absolutely not. And nor would we. Why would we make publicly
available an asset of the company?

Q_ After the campaign concluded, did Cambridge Analytica end up in a
position where it had more data than before the engagement, less data, or the
same?

A Well, | assume that, as a result of the data-driven campaigns that we
run -- ran -- sorry -- that Cambridge Analytica's data would have increased.
Because from every campaign that we run, we're able to get some feedback from
that campaign, and then that can be then incorporated into our overall dataset.

Q Does Cambridge Analytica's parent company, SCL Group Limited,
based in London, have access to U.S. voter data?

A You're making an assumption that SCL Group is the parent company
of Cambridge Analytica, and | have not confirmed nor denied that. So that's why |
think it would be wrong to assume that.

Q_ Well, let me ask you then, is SCL Group the parent company of
Cambridge Analytica?

A SCL Group and Cambridge Analytica are private companies, and their
relationship is not a matter of public record.

Q___Does that many you're not willing to answer the question?

A __ It means they're private companies and the shareholders, directors of
these individuals and their relationship to one another is not a matter for public
record.

Q Does SCL Group have access to U.S. voter data?

A Not that I'm aware of. But if the question is could a U.K. company

have access to U.S. voter data, the answer is yes. You don't need to be an

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Q_ Andis that also owned by the Mercers?

A | haven't provided a comment on the ownership of Cambridge
Analytica, and I'm -- neither am | going to provide a comment on the ownership of
SCL for the same reason.

Q_ What role does Nigel Oaks have in the SCL Group?

A _ Nigel Oaks runs a division within SCL Group active in the government
space.

Q What part of the government space?

A The SCL Group was set up to support western governments,
predominantly yours and mine, with something called "soft power." We work
closely with your Department of Defense and mine and with your intelligence
agencies to provide them with training and operational capabilities in the field of
psychological operations.

We do this to try and help address very critical problems that counter
terrorism, counter radicalization, counter narcotics, and programs of health,
development, and welfare all over the world.

Q Would it be fair to say that individuals -- some individuals that work for
SCL Group would have security clearances then?

A __ That's correct. Many of the individuals have a security clearance,
either in the U.K. or top secret clearance in the U.S. or some, both.

Q_ Are you aware of anyone tied to the Russian Government or of
Russian or Ukrainian descent who holds a minority or majority stake in SCL
Group, Limited?

A |--as far as I'm aware, there is no one that fits that profile that is a

shareholder in SCL Group, Limited.

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A. Outside of the discussions that we've had, no, | did not.

Q_ Are you aware of any activities on the dark web to seek information
about Hillary Clinton?

A No, I'm not.

Q_ Have you ever met or do you know a gentleman named Chuck
Johnson?

A No.

Q_ And I'm not assuming that you do. These are just individuals
allegedly involved in this operation, so that's why I'm asking.

A __ I've never heard that name.

Q_ Mr. Nix, during the 2016 U.S. election cycle, how many countries did
you travel to during that time, and which countries?

A | don't know, ma'am. | could speculate that | may have traveled to a
dozen countries, predominantly between the U.K. and the U.S. and Europe, |
would have thought.

Q How many times did you travel to the U.S. during the election cycle?

A __ I|can't answer that question right now. I'm -- but | could speculate
maybe -- the U.S. election cycle, meaning the nomination campaign or meaning
the presidential campaign?

Q__Isay June 2015 through November 2016.

Twenty, twenty-five.
Did you travel to the Ukraine during that time?
No, | did not.

Did you travel to Russia during that time?

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No, | did not.

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cycle?

A Cambridge Analytica purchased Facebook ads on behalf of Trump
campaign and on behalf of the super-PACs for the election campaign.

Q___Do you know approximately how much money Cambridge Analytica
spent purchasing ads on Facebook?

A For the Trump campaign we spent a little shy of $100 million. For the
super-PAC, | would have -- | don't know the answer.

Q_ Mr. Nix, in a series of emails dated from May 27 to 28, 2016, between
yourself, Alex Taylor, and SCL Group chairman Julian Wheatland, and that's
Cambridge Analytica Bates numbers 1569 through 1571. It should be in the
middle of the production we provided you.

MR. MUYSKENS: What was the first number? +1569?

a Y-:

MR. MUYSKENS: Thank you. Got it.

oY

Q You three are discussing the implications of assigning Cambridge
Analytica staff to the Trump campaign absent a contract.

A Uh-huh.

Q_ Mr. Taylor wrote on May 27, quote, "By putting people in the campaign
without a contract in place, we are incentivizing the campaign to put off ever
paying us. At some point, they will be weighing how much value is left for us to
create, especially if we've already handed over data versus the value in not having
to pay the bill we have run up."

MR. MUYSKENS: Did somebody hit a button there? Because we just

lost you guys from video. Weird. Can you see us?

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we worked for a Republican Presidential candidate, or did you mean had we
worked on an election campaign?

Q_ Mr. Nix, I'd like to turn to a June 8th, 2016, email, Cambridge Analytica
Bates number 1640, to Mr. Parscale, copying Mr. Oczkowski. And | probably just
mispronounced that name. The topic was, quote, "CA next steps," end quote.

And it included: CA, Cambridge Analytica, will send a team to San Antonio
to start work on Monday, together with providing support services from London
and D.C.

Monday would've been June 13th, 2016.

Do you recall how many employees you sent to San Antonio?

A | do not recall that, I'm afraid.

Q__ Is that a piece of information we could obtain?

MR. MUYSKENS: You know, again, put it in your list, and we'll review it.

Sorry. We're trying to figure out the camera issue here, so bear with us for
2 seconds.

HE Sure.

MR. MUYSKENS: I'm sorry about that, JE» We're just having
technical difficulties, but please continue.

Feel free to continue.

You guys there?

ME 2
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Q_ And understanding, Mr. Nix, that you were sort of firewalled into the
PAC and not the campaign, do you have an appreciation for the level of

independence with which Cambridge Analytica operated with the campaign?

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Washington, D.C. office.

MR. MUYSKENS: Well, when you say "your," could you pronounce
correctly -- you mean Cambridge Analytica's Washington office or Greenberg
Traurig's?

HR, Cambridge Analytica.

MR. MUYSKENS: So knowing that Mr. Nix was represented by counsel,
you still reached out to Cambridge Analytica instead of reaching out through
counsel?

HSC dic) not know that he was represented by counsel. | didn't
know who counsel was for Cambridge Analytica. And it would have been the
majority that --

MR. MUYSKENS: We can talk -- again, I'd prefer you to give -- may I
speak? Do you mind? We did speak when we were making our earlier
productions from Cambridge Analytica to the committee. | think the emails would
show that you and | did talk, so you did know that Mr. Nix was representing
Cambridge Analytica.

Hou know what -

MR. MUYSKENS: So what | would like to ask is, in the future, could you
abide by the D.C. bar ethics rule and the various other legal rules we have and
contact Cambridge Analytica through counsel as you're supposed to do. If you
could do that, that would be very helpful. Thank you.

o,

Q_ Mr. Nix, when you met with Jared Kushner on June 9, 2016, do you

recall what time that meeting occurred?

A No,1!do not recall. During the day.

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MR. NIX: Well, or you could speak to the speaker's bureau that represents
Julian Assange.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, we'd have more confidence, | hope, in the candor of
your staff than Mr. Assange's representatives, but we will follow up with that.

MR. NIX: | don't think that you can -- | don't think that -- all right, sir, we
agree.

MR. SCHIFF: We can rely on the candor of your staff, right?

MR. NIX: The point | was making is that you can't associate that the
speaker's agency has the same reputation that you're suggesting that
Mr. Assange has.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, you don't know the speaker's agency and neither do |.
I'm not prepared to vouch for a representative of Julian Assange. So we'll be
happy to follow up with your staff.

Were there more than one approach made to WikiLeaks, either through the
speaker's bureau or elsewise, by Cambridge Analytica?

MR. NIX: No.

MR. SCHIFF: Now, this -- part of this exchange involved Rebekah Mercer.
What was her relationship with Cambridge Analytica?

MR. NIX: Rebekah Mercer is an investor in Cambridge Analytica.

MR. SCHIFF: And -- and how long has she been an investor in Cambridge
Analytica?

MR. NIX: Since the company was incorporated.

MR. SCHIFF: And does she have a large enough investment in the
company to inform what clients the company takes on or the direction of the work

that Cambridge Analytica does?

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working in the United States but on commercial business, government business,
both in the U.S. and abroad, and so | would not necessarily have specific oversight
of any one contract.

HE 1 vinute, ma'am.

MS. SPEIER: Well, but you earlier said that you were engaged specifically
in this PAC, correct?

MR. NIX: No -- yes, ma'am. | was inside the PAC firewall. | was trying
to make the point that | was not inside the campaign firewall. But just because I'm
inside the firewall, it doesn't mean that | am spending all my time working on that
one project --

MS. SPEIER: So how --

MR. NIX: -- or campaign.

MS. SPEIER: If you were to assess how much of your time you spent on
the Crooked Hillary PAC or Defeat Crooked Hillary or Make America Number One,
how much time would you have spent during that May to November period of
time?

MR. NIX: Fifteen percent.

Hh 2's time, ma‘am.

MS. SPEIER: Thank you.

MR. SCHIFF: Can | just ask one -- on this subject, Molly Schweikert,
which wall was she within?

MR. NIX: The campaign.

MR. SCHIFF: And if | could ask counsel, votes are starting imminently, so
we're going to have to go vote. What is your intention in terms of are we going to

suspend until after votes? Are you going to continue during votes?

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be housed in the cloud, where that data is controlled from is dictated by the
legislation territory by territory or, in the case of the U.S., sometimes State by
State. ,

Q_ And | think we spoke about this earlier. Do you know if the servers
are in the U.S., are they in the U.K., or some other country?

A No, the data is stored in a cloud. So, obviously -- oh, do you mean
where the cloud servers are?

Q_ Right.

A | don't know, but I'm assuming that they're in the United States. |
wouldn't be able to answer that without checking.

Q__ Did the Trump campaign employees have access to Cambridge
Analytica servers or the cloud?

A Notas far as I'm aware. In fact, I'm going to go further than that: No.

Q Does Cambridge Analytica ever make its data available to third
parties?

A We have historically entered into data-sharing or data-reciprocity
agreements, where we will make some of our data available in exchange for other
parties' data. So the answer is yes. But, as a rule, our data is ours, and our
Clients like to retain their data. But often we share in mobile derivatives.

Q But! think if I'm understanding you correctly, you did not do that with
the Trump campaign?

A Well, I'm not sure what data the Trump campaign had that you're
referring to, again, largely because | don't think they had much data before we
joined the campaign and also because | wasn't inside the firewall.

Q__ Did you ever post voter data or other campaign data online?

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deliberately provide false information to Members of Congress or staff.

And, lastly, the record will reflect that you are voluntarily participating in this
interview, which will be under oath.

Mr. Nix, could you raise your right hand to be sworn?

[Witness sworn.]

| Thank you. And just for recordkeeping purposes, we are at
Greenberg Traurig's offices in Washington, D.C., and the witness, Mr. Alexander
Nix, is appearing via VTC, video teleconference, at the Greenberg Traurig offices
in London in the United Kingdom.

Thank you. The majority has no opening remarks.

Mr. Ranking Member?

MR. SCHIFF: No. Thank you for being with us. We look forward to your
testimony.

MR. NIX: Thank you, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Mr. Nix, good morning here, good afternoon there.
Thanks for your participation.

Could | begin by asking you -- | assume you are a U.K. citizen, your
citizenship?

MR. NIX: That is correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. And do you travel very much to the United States?

MR. NIX: Yes, | travel fairly frequently to the United States.

MR. QUIGLEY: Cambridge Analytica has an office in New York City. Is
that correct?

MR. NIX: Yes, that is correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: So! assume you're here often for work.

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Q So Cambridge Analytica provided the scientific professionals to sort of
run the data operations. Is that fair to say?

A __ That's entirely fair to say. Brad Parscale's company in Texas is a
specialist in branding and logo design. | think they do some interior design, and |
think they make some websites. They have no data or IT or technical capability
such as that which was employed on the campaign by Cambridge Analytica.

Q__ So, given that really it sounds like you provided the, sort of, more
sophisticated technical expertise to the campaign, did you have a fair amount of
autonomy? Or would you go through Mr. Parscale to get approval for --

A __ |can't answer that question. That would be too specific. Obviously,
we could have had those discussions since the election, but | haven't been -- had
those discussions with my colleagues.

Q_ And that may be for someone else to answer, whether you had
autonomy to direct ads or buy ads or make ads. That's the question I'm trying to
get at.

A __ Again, | don't know the answer to that, ma'am. I'm not trying to be
difficult here. | just wasn't there during the campaign.

Q_ Mr. Parscale has said that Project Alamo produced thousands of
variations of ads in order to tailor them to specific voter preferences. Would that
be something that Cambridge Analytica actually did?

A __ So the split of work was that Cambridge Analytica did the data
analytics to identify target audiences, and we then helped Brad's team to
understand what the messages should be, which issues were most relevant, what
the ideologies of the. audiences were, what the demographics, geographics, and

so forth of the audiences were.

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American company to license a U.S. voter file.

Q__ Mr. Nix, did you or anyone, to your knowledge, ever share targeting
information outside of the campaign?

A No, we did not.

Q How common would it be for political campaign professionals such as
yourself to leave data, photos, videos, or other campaign material online for others
to access or use?

A Notatallcommon. This would never happen in an organization like
Cambridge Analytica.

Q_ Are you aware of reports that The Trump Organization maintained a
data link with a Russian-based bank, Alpha Bank, during the election?

A No, I'm absolutely not aware of those reports.

Q__ Did you ever hear any Trump campaign officials discuss Alpha Bank?

A __ I've never heard the name "Alpha Bank" before this discussion with
you.

Q_ This may be a bit tactical for you to answer. Brad Parscale has said
publicly that his data operation, quote, "ran everything" for the
campaign -- television buys, get out the vote, ground operations. Is that your
understanding as well?

A Brad was appointed head of the digital and data organization for the
campaign by the Trump team, but Brad himself is not a data scientist nor a digital
or data-driven digital or data-driven television professional. And, therefore, his
role was to liaise between the campaign hierarchy and the service providers who
had been brought in to undertake all that work. And those service providers were

Cambridge Analytica.

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A Sorry. | clearly haven't been clear in what I've been explaining to you.
Microtargeting is a collective terminology to describe everything that I've been

trying to explain to you -- using data to target very small groups, i.e.,

microtargets --
Q_ Right.
A __ -- with very personalized, individualized information and

communications.

Q__ And did you provide -- so, earlier, you said that you provided, sort of,
broad guidelines. So | would think microtargeting would be very specific
targeting. What type of specific targeting did you conduct on Facebook and
Twitter?

A Well, the objective of microtargeting is to try and cluster audiences into
as small of groups as possible where the constituents of those groups have the
same or similar underlying demographics, geographic, economics, media
consumption, issue preference, ideology, or any other factor, such that you can
serve them one particular message that's going to resonate with the majority of the
group that you're seeking to engage.

It is in contrast to what you might consider blanket advertising, where
hundreds of thousands or millions of people receive a message for which only
some -- for whom only some it is relevant.

Q__ How involved were you in the Facebook ad-buying for the campaign?
Is that something your colleagues would know about who were actually involved?

A Well, personally, | was not involved at all, because | wasn't inside the
campaign firewall. But my colleagues in Texas were responsible for purchasing

all the advertising on Facebook and other platforms for the campaign.

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MR. NIX: Absolutely correct.

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Q = One moment.

A ___ Just to color this in, this was -- it was a half conceived idea that | got
from reading a newspaper that led to a single question, can you find out more
information about this, find out if it's true, see if we can get ahold of those emails.
The answer was no. We never thought about the matter again.

Q_ Thank you, sir. Can you just give me a moment?

A Sure.

MSS, Mr. Ranking Member, we yield to you.

MR. SCHIFF: Thank you. Mike.

MR. QUIGLEY: Sure. Hello again. So I'll ask you about a few more
people if | could. Have you ever heard of Randy Credico?

MR. NIX: No, sir. [| don't think --

MR. QUIGLEY: Oh, sorry. Just give us a second here, okay.

Have you ever heard of Randy Credico?

MR. NIX: No, sir. I've never heard of Randy Credico.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. This was the individual identified publicly as the
intermediary between Roger Stone and Julian Assange. You never heard of him?

MR. NIX: I've never heard of him.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did anyone else that you communicated with in the Trump
campaign refer in any way to anyone else that may have been in communication
with Wikileaks or Julian Assange?

MR. NIX: Absolutely not. | never heard Julian Assange's name

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MR. SCHIFF: Let me ask you again, Mr. Nix. Were you seeking these
emails, these hacked emails to disseminate them?

MR. NIX: With respect, sir, that's the wrong question to ask.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, with respect, sir, I'll decide the right questions to ask,
and your job is to answer them. Was it your purpose in reaching out to Julian
Assange and WikiLeaks to disseminate the hacked emails?

MR. NIX: My purpose was to understand, firstly, whether WikiLeaks had
the hacked emails -- it's still not clear whether they did or do -- and, secondly, to
understand the content of these emails. And, thereafter, we would make a
decision on whether it was relevant and germane to what we were -- to the
campaign that we were running as to whether they should be disseminated and
shared with the general public.

MR. SCHIFF: So when you told -- and you were replying to who on this
email?

MR. NIX: It looks like this email is being sent to Rebekah Mercer.

MR. SCHIFF: So, when you told Rebekah Mercer that you -- Cambridge
Analytica had contacted Julian Assange directly to ask him to share Hillary
Clinton's hacked emails with us to disseminate, you were using shorthand that
indicated that if they were pertinent and helpful to the campaign, you intended to
disseminate them. Is that accurate?

MR. NIX: | was using -- using shorthand to indicate that if it had been in
the best interests of the campaign to disseminate them, then we would have.

MR. SCHIFF: And when you said that he looks like -- he looks like he
intends to do it himself so maybe he will address the problem before us, what

problem are you referring to?

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MR. NIX: | couldn't begin to answer that. We talked a lot about politics. |
run a political consultancy. So to identify what the first conversation was on
Trump would be almost impossible.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, let's do our best. So, at some point, you were
approaching the Trump campaign in the hopes of taking them on as a client. Did
you discuss that with Rebekah Mercer?

MR. NIX: | think | told Rebekah Mercer that we'd opened a dialogue with
the Trump campaign, and there seemed to be no issue with that. So | continued
to pursue the matter.

MR. SCHIFF: And what was her reaction when you told her you were
pursuing the Trump campaign as a client?

MR. NIX: Fine.

MR. SCHIFF: Did she offer to assist in any way in making connections
between you and any of the campaign personnel?

MR. NIX: | don't recall that, but | don't know that Rebekah particularly
knew many of the Trump campaign or Trump team.

MR. SCHIFF: And when would you have had this initial conversation
approaching -- about approaching the Trump campaign? Would it have been
before you talked to the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: Well, | started speaking to the Trump campaign in May 2015 or
June 2015. So it might have been at that time.

MR. SCHIFF: And is there anything else you can recall from this initial
conversation with Rebekah Mercer about approaching the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: No.

MR. SCHIFF: And when would you have next discussed the Trump

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at the speaker's bureau exist. | think it was all done telephonically, but I'm not
testifying.

MR. QUIGLEY: Can | just ask who was this -- | think you referred to itas a
speaking agency. What was the name of that speaking agency?

MR. NIX: | don't know, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, she would know because she contacted them,
correct?

MR. NIX: I -- you would assume so, sir.

MR. SCHIFF: So we would need to speak with her to get this information?

MR. MUYSKENS: You could probably utilize Google and figure out who
Julian Assange's agent for giving speeches and other commercial engagements
is.

MR. SCHIFF: But we couldn't use Google to find out what her
communications were with the bureau. So | assume we would need to talk with
her -- pardon me?

MR. MUYSKENS: Go ahead. I'm sorry. There's a 1-second delay
because of the international call.

MR. SCHIFF: Yeah.

-MR. MUYSKENS: We're cutting -- | will try to stop talking a second earlier.

MR. SCHIFF: No, no. This is not an ideal way to interview people, but it
is what it is. We thank you. ,

So, if we want to find out about the communications between your personal
assistant and the speaker's bureau representing Julian Assange, we would need
to talk with her directly. That's not something that's within your personal

knowledge?

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mentioned in the campaign ever.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did anyone in the Trump campaign ever talk to you about
Hillary Clinton's emails?

MR. NIX: No, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: No one associated in any respect whatsoever with the
Trump campaign ever talked to you about anything at all to do with Russia or the
Hillary Clinton emails. Is that correct?

MR. NIX: That is absolutely correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: Or any efforts to obtain those?

MR. NIX: No, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay.

MS. SPEIER: Good morning. Good afternoon. I'm Jackie Speier, one of
the members of the committee.

Could you tell me how many employees you have in the United States?

MR. NIX: In the U.S., we probably have approximately 45 to 50
employees.

MS. SPEIER: And where are they located?

MR. NIX: They're located between three offices, one office in New York,
one in D.C., and one in Arlington.

MS. SPEIER: And were these employees engaged during the Trump
campaign?

MR. NIX: Some of them were. Some of them have been hired since the
Trump campaign. The Trump campaign team comprised some employees from
the U.S. and some employees from our U.K. office.

MS. SPEIER: And of the ones that were employed in the United States,

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of great concern and interest, not just to political consultants but to all media
outlets across the United States and beyond, and they could have had a profound
impact on the outcome of the election. And we, therefore, wanted to understand
what was contained in those, such that we could integrate that knowledge into our
campaign strategy.

MR. QUIGLEY: You were going to use those emails to publicize them,
correct?

MR. NIX: Well, that's hypothetical, because we received an answer back
from WikiLeaks that they did not wish to take a telephone call or otherwise engage
with us. So to speculate on what may have happened is really not relevant.

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, we don't have to speculate on what your intention
was. What was your intention if you got the Hillary Clinton emails?

MR. NIX: Well, my intention would have been informed by the content of
the emails. So, without having seen the emails, it's impossible to share with you
what my intention was.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did you share this willingness to get this, these emails
with anyone on the Trump campaign or associated with the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: | did not share this with anyone on the Trump campaign. | only
shared this with colleagues of mine.

MR. QUIGLEY: Colleagues --

MR. NIX: Colleagues who are not part of the Trump campaign.

MR. QUIGLEY: They're colleagues that work just for Cambridge?

MR. NIX: Not necessarily worked for Cambridge, but colleagues or
associates of mine that were not part of the Trump campaign.

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, who were they?

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A Cambridge Analytica played absolutely no role whatsoever in the
referendum on independence from Europe.

Q_Norole on behalf of Leave EU?

A Norole on behalf of any organization, movement, political party, or
association whatsoever. We undertook no paid nor unpaid work. We were not
involved in the referendum. We did not engage in any party on Brexit.

Q__ Did you pitch your company to try to obtain work on the Brexit --

A Yes, we pitched our company to a number of different parties involved
with Brexit on both sides, both for and against.

Q__ Did you personally contribute or donate to the pro-Brexit effort?

A No, Idid not.

May | ask what this has to do with Russian interference in U.S. election?

Q_ Weare truly almost done. | appreciate you bearing with us. | think |
have one page of questions left.

What type of work has Cambridge Analytica done in other countries on
behalf of foreign political campaigns?

A Cambridge Analytica offers its services to political parties all over the
world that engage -- or, | should say, mainstream political parties all over the world
that engage in free and fair elections. Typically, we undertake seven or eight
elections a year for Prime Minister or President. These could be in Latin America,
Africa, Asia, Europe.

And we offer a similar suite of services to those which we offered the Trump
campaign and, indeed, Senator Cruz's Presidential primary and, indeed, various
other campaigns in the U.S., which are centered around a data-driven approach to

campaigning and communication.

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And then Brad's team, which is a graphic design team -- they're a creative
team that have a background and professionalism in making the images and the
words. So they would make the pictures and the messages that were then sent
out by digital. So they would then give us those messages, and then we would
then place that advertising for them, digitally target the audiences that we'd
identified.

Q__ So it sounds like you would make recommendations to Mr. Parscale
based on your analytics.

I'm just trying to understand how this process worked.

A __ Yes, that's how it typically works with our clients, both in the political
and in the commercial sectors, is that we are able to use the data to drive insights.
These insights are then used to drive the creative messaging. And then the data
is then used again to drive the targeting of those messages through different
channels.

Q_ And would Mr. Parscale, then, be basically the decisionmaker for your
recommendations?

A _ Again, | really wasn't in Texas during the election. | don't know how
the day-to-day management worked. But | know that Mr. Parscale spent a lot of
time out of the office in New York, so | don't know how that was managed.

Q__ Understood.

Do you know whether Cambridge Analytica picked vendors or
subcontractors to join the campaign?

A __ | don't know the answer to that question.

Q_ Mr. Nix, did Cambridge Analytica engage in or provide the campaign

guidance on microtargeting of particular ads?

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Based on this email, it appears there was a willingness to at least partially
skirt FEC regulations in order to get integrated with the Trump campaign. Why

was that?

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Cambridge Analytica were independently speaking to Mr. Parscale, and then we
coordinated the dialogue.

And | had some of my colleagues who were working or seeking to work in a
more tactical level were speaking to Mr. Parscale. And | was speaking to Jared
Kushner at a more commercial level about how we could support the campaign
and what the terms of that -- that engagement might look like.

MR. QUIGLEY: Now, the colleagues that you speak of from Cambridge,
were they with you in -- it's London, correct?

MR. NIX: No, not necessarily. Some of them might have been based in
London, and some of them might have been based out of either D.C. or New York
office.

MR. QUIGLEY: Do you know who your colleagues were that were in
communication before your firm was hired with the Trump associates?

MR. NIX: Yes. Principally, two or three of my colleagues were speaking
with Brad Parscale. That would have been my chief data officer, Dr. Alex Taylor;
head of product, who is a gentleman called Matt Oczkowski; and the head of
digital, which was a lady called Molly Schweickert.

MR. QUIGLEY: So, during the course of the campaign, who was the
principal with Cambridge that was in communication with the Trump campaign
during the course of your work with the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: Ona day-to-day level, | would suggest that Matt Oczkowski was
probably the point of contact between the Trump campaign, which was being
represented by Brad Parscale, in terms of our dealings and, obviously, Cambridge
Analytica.

MR. QUIGLEY: Could you do me a favor and spell Matt's last name, if you

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Q_ And have you or anyone at Cambridge Analytica ever communicated
with any member of WikiLeaks, that you know of?

A That! know of? | certainly have not and, as far as | know, no one in
my organization has communicated or spoken to anyone at WikiLeaks.

Q__ During your employment with the Trump campaign for Presidency, did
any member of the Trump campaign ask you or Cambridge Analytica to obtain
information from Russian Government officials for the campaign?

A _ Absolutely not.

Q___Do you have any knowledge of any individuals associated with the
Trump campaign, direct knowledge that is, had information or sought information
from Russian Government officials during the election cycle?

A No, Ido not.

Q_ Mr. Nix, one of the things the committee is looking at is the, you know,
the effects of any sort of Russian involvement in the 2016 election cycle, so I'll

encapsulate my questions under that umbrella for the following few.
Do you have any information, you or -- when | ask "you," | would assume
you would understand that to mean you and Cambridge Analytica, as its
tepresentative -- that the Trump campaign or its officials colluded with anyone in
the Russian Government to rig the 2016 Presidential election?

A No, Ido not.

Q_ And do you, Mr. Nix or Cambridge Analytica, are you in the
possession of any or aware of any information that the Trump campaign conspired
or coordinated with the Russian Government or any Russian Government officials
to rig or somehow, quote/unquote, steal the 2016 election?

A _ Absolutely not.

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Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica use datasets to target based on different
personalities?

A No, Cambridge Analytica did not use psychographic data in the Trump
campaign.

Q_ Could you explain what psychographic data is?

A __ Data that's based on personality.

Q_ What types of personality characteristics are typical of psychographic
data?

A __ Psychographic data seeks to measure the underlying, core personality
traits that define identities.

Q_ What type of personality traits?

A __ Depending on which methodology you employ, you can quantify
personality by a number of different types of metrics. At Cambridge, we use a
broad spectrum of different methodologies from the fields of psychology and
experimental psychology to understand personality.

Q_ So could you give us an example of a specific personality trait that
would be tracked?

A _ Neuroticism.

Q__ And how would you determine that someone has that quality?

A __ Ifan individual responds to or fills out a quantitative instrument that
seeks to probe these underlying personality traits, it's then possible to score their
answers and to assign different personality traits to an individual.

Q_ This may be difficult to quantify in a short number of words, but are
there a top four or five personality traits that would typically be used to conduct

psychographic targeting?

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MR. MUYSKENS: Can | give this a shot?

Hs Sure.

MR. MUYSKENS: When you found a group of voters who were not likely
to vote, what would you do next?

ls that all right?

HE Sure.

MR. NIX: Well, | guess it would depend whether we had determined
whether those voters were likely Democrats or likely Republicans. If they were
likely Republicans, we would probably encourage them to vote, because that
would be in the best interests of our client.

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Q_ And if they were more inclined to the Democrats, how would you target
them to encourage them not to vote?

A Well, you're assuming that we would encourage them not to vote, and
| haven't suggested that we would. Our focus in this election in the Trump
campaign, bearing in mind | was not inside the firewall, was a pro-Trump
campaign. It was to try and identify as many Trump supporters as we could and
to encourage all and every one of them to turn out and vote. That was the
objective of the Trump campaign.

Q__ Did Cambridge --

A We--
Q_ Sorry.
A Carryon.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica at any time during the campaign use your

datasets to suppress voter turnout?

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A __ No, we did not.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica have access to Trump campaign servers
during the election?

A __ | don't know the answer to that question. It's too precise. And not
being in the firewall, | wouldn't necessarily know that information.

Q_ What was Cambridge Analytica's relationship with Project Alamo?

A __ Again, I'm speculating, but | think Project Alamo was the name given
to the operation based in Texas.

Q_ Thatis correct. Did Cambridge Analytica employees have access to
the Project Alamo data?

MR. MUYSKENS: Access to what?

HS {© Project Alamo information.

MR. NIX: Again, I'm not sure | can answer that. And | was not aware and
I'm still not aware whether the campaign had any data of its own or what that data
was. When we arrived on the campaign, there had been no investment into IT
infrastructure or support and no investment into data or analytics, which was why
Cambridge was given such a prominent role on the campaign.

'

Q Does Cambridge Analytica maintain its own servers, or do you use
larger networks?

A We have our own servers, but the majority of our data is housed in a
cloud.

Q_ Where was the U.S. person data housed?

A __ Different datasets reside in different territories, depending on the

legislation in those specific territories. So my understanding is, while the data can

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interview.

As a fact witness, | would just want to sort of try and understand some
basics, so you'll forgive me if | don't have an understanding of Cambridge
Analytica.

MR. MUYSKENS: Can you get closer to the microphone, by chance?

HE, Sorry. |s that better?

MR. MUYSKENS: That is much better. Thank you very much.

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Q__| was just saying | appreciate your willingness to come in and testify,
Mr. Nix, and cooperate with this investigation. As a fact witness, | would just want
to establish some basic facts, so if you'll just forgive me for not knowing the depths
of your business, but can you tell me what Cambridge Analytica does?

A Cambridge Analytica is a data-driven communications agency; that is,
we use big data and predictive analytics to build very targeted models for
communication and engagement campaigns.

Q__ And how long has Cambridge Analytica been in existence?

A __ | believe we were incorporated in early 2013, but we started working in
late 2012.

Q How many campaigns have you or Cambridge Analytica worked on or
for?

A Cambridge Analytica is an affiliate of a British company called SCL.
And over the last 25 years or so, we've probably worked on over 200 national
campaigns for Prime Minister and Presidents globally and an equal amount of

smaller campaigns, such as congressional and State races and mayoral races and

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and for the super PAC, we were undertaking a separate program of quantitative
research. So, whilst we were collecting similar data, they were different data.

Q_ That's helpful, actually.

Did the PAC also buy ads on social media?

A Yes, it did.

Q_ Which social media platforms did the PAC use?

A So, aS a company, we are platform-agnostic. So we will choose
whichever platform has the highest density of the target audience that we're
seeking to engage with, using it or interfacing with it. Typically, Facebook and
Google tend to be very representative, but as we target more niche groups, we'll
likely use different platforms. These could be news platforms. They would be
other social media platforms. They could be, you know, content-based websites
or e-commerce websites or anything else.

Q___Do you know if the PAC used Twitter?

A _ |don't, actually. | don't know that it did. | can't remember any
specific Twitter campaigns. But, again, I'm not really in the weeds of the
day-to-day operations of the PAC.

Q_ Were you part of the decisionmaking in terms of purchases of social
media ads?

A Well, | would consider that to be an in-the-weeds, a tactical-level
decision. | was more involved at a strategic level.

Q_ So what types of decisions would you have been a part of?

A Understanding what issues and what direction the PAC should pursue;
allocation of PAC resources between, say, television and digital; you know,

high-level strategic decisions. Certainly not tactical decisions about specific

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stated, this was the first time that we could get Mr. Nix during the time period that
is relevant. So we appreciate his willingness to appear, and we're ready to
proceed.

MR. SCHIFF: Mr. Nix, when were you first contacted by the committee for
your testimony?

MR. MUYSKENS: We could find the letter, but it will take a minute. |
don't have it right in front of me.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, approximately.

MR. NIX: I'm going to speculate. A month ago, possibly.

MR. SCHIFF: Was it before or after your last trip to the United States?

MR. NIX: Again, any answer would be speculative. Without pulling out
my diary and, indeed, the letter inviting me to join this inquiry, | wouldn't be able to
answer.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, we would ask you to provide the committee with the
last dates that you were in the United States. If you can't do it at this moment,
we'd ask you to provide it during a recess.

MR. NIX: Ofcourse. No problem, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Sir, let me ask you this: How did you find out that
candidate Trump was running for President?

MR. NIX: Well, Trump announced his candidacy in 2015, | believe, from
Trump Tower. It was fairly -- fairly public and covered by most of the major news
networks. And, obviously, you know, we follow these kinds of news.

MR. QUIGLEY: Who recommended you and Cambridge Analytica to the
campaign?

MR. NIX: Well, actually, | started engaging with the Trump campaign in

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MR. NIX: Iam in the States certainly every month, at a minimum, for work.

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, | guess‘my first question in that vein is, were you
unwilling to have this sort of interview in person?

MR. NIX: Notat all. | offered to attend in person.

MR. SCHIFF: Why are we doing it this way then, counsel? This is the
only interview we've conducted in this fashion. If Mr. Nix is here frequently and
willing to come in person, why are we doing this by video conference on a day we
have a --

MR. MUYSKENS: Well, it was represented to us that this had to be done
sooner rather than later. And because of Mr. Nix's travel schedule, he was not
going to be in the United States in December. So --

MR. SCHIFF: Mr. Nix, when were you last in the United States?

MR. NIX: I'd have to confirm, but | would say November.

MR. SCHIFF: We had made a request prior to November for your
testimony, so | don't understand. If | could ask my majority colleagues why we
didn't have Mr. Nix come in in person.

HS con't know when --

MR. NIX: Well, | availed myself to you gentlemen for this inquiry. And it
was not possible to get the dates to work for all parties, and so this was the best
alternative.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, Mr. Nix, actually, | was addressing my question to my
majority colleagues, since we had asked for your testimony some time before.
This is not an issue of your willingness, it appears; it's an issue of why the majority
didn't schedule this in person.

| We did not schedule this in person because, as Mr. Nix

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MR. NIX: I shared this -- we have this here?

MR. MUYSKENS: And just so you all know, we're looking at the document
that is Bates stamped CA0000077. It's one of the documents provided
as well.

And, Mr. Schiff, | know you have your own procedures, but if you want to
ask a question to help Mr. Quigley along, we're absolutely fine with that.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, looking at the documents Bates stamped -- that you
referenced, Bates stamped ending 0077, that's an email from Peter Schweizer,
who is the author of a book on the Clinton finances, responding to an email from
you. Can you tell us a little bit about how that came about?

MR. NIX: Sir, | think the original email was a third party with whom | wasn't
previously acquainted and I'm not acquainted called Lisa Fleischmann wrote to
Rebekah Mercer --

MR. MUYSKENS: And we're currently referencing Bates label 78, the
subsequent document.

MR. NIX: And, as you can see for yourselves, she is suggesting that these
emails might be of interest. And | indicated that -- that we'd be -- if we could help
in any capacity, we would, but suggested that Peter had already taken an initiative
in this regard.

MR. SCHIFF: In the original email -- and | guess this was dated August
26th -- this is responding to, as you were saying, a question from Rebekah Mercer
about collecting information on Hillary Clinton. It states: | think that Peter has
already amassed the key data on Hillary. However, | will task to the team and
assess the feasibility of expanding on his work and revert ASAP. FYI: 2 months

ago Cambridge Analytica contacted Julian Assange directly to ask him to share

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those discussions stopped.

MR. QUIGLEY: So do you recall roughly what month that was that you
met in Trump Tower with Mr. Manafort?

MR. NIX: I'm speculating that it would have been around May 2016,
maybe early May.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. And just to get the timeframe set, the next person
you talked to after Mr. Manafort about joining the campaign or involvement in the
campaign was Mr. Kushner?

MR. NIX: That is correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: And, roughly, if you could approximate which month and
year was that that you first communicated with Mr. Kushner?

MR. NIX: Again, I'm speculating, but that would -- I'm suggesting possibly
end of May/early June, those discussions were being carried out.

MR. QUIGLEY: To your understanding, who was it that made the decision
to bring you on, which of the campaign associates?

MR. NIX: Well, obviously, again, we wouldn't know that necessarily, but if
|, again, had to speculate, | would suggest that it was a combination of Jared
Kushner and Brad Parscale.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did you have communications with Mr. Parscale after Mr.
Kushner?

MR. NIX: Yes, | did. And -- sorry. Continue, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: And the discussions with Mr. Parscale, they took place
just after Mr. Kushner or on an ongoing basis?

MR. NIX: They ran in parallel. The initial contact was with -- between

myself and the campaign -- was with Mr. Kushner, but some of my colleagues at

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Q__ Did you work on Marine Le Pen's campaign?

A We don't discuss other client projects.

Q_ You discussed Brexit earlier.

MR. MUYSKENS: And you also asked him his personal opinion of it. |
don't really see why any of this is relevant. But let's hurry up, please.

MR. NIX: I've already discussed Brexit widely in the media over the last
year -- in fact, extensively in the media over the last year.

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Your firm, were you involved in the Carson and the Cruz campaigns?
That's correct.
Did you ever meet Michael Flynn from the Trump campaign?
Yes, | did.

And when did you first meet Mr. -- General Flynn?

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General Flynn. Again, difficult to put a date on it, but | might suggest
around May 2016. I'm sure it's in this email list that you've given me.

Q_ How many times have you -- why did you first meet him? What were
those circumstances?

A Cambridge Analytica/SCL has a government and defense division that
| discussed earlier in this interview. We set that up in 2003. We decided last
year that we wanted to move this division from the U.K. to become a
U.S. government and defense company. And in order to become a U.S. company
and have a U.S. board with Secret clearance, we needed to have high-level former
and current serving personnel oversee our board of activity.

General Flynn was one of the individuals that was identified as possibly

being a suitable consultant/adviser to the company. Given his background as

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connected on there. So | think it's highly unlikely, is the answer.
2 a

Q But when | asked you just a minute ago, you said it's entirely possible.

A Well, what | meant was it's not impossible. | didn't want to lie to you.
So | obviously am trying to answer as honestly as possible. It is conceivable that
| may have made a WhatsApp message to someone in the campaign. But my
recollection is that | did not use WhatsApp.

And when | thought about it for a moment longer, | realized that Steve only
uses the telephone. He doesn't even use email that much. And Jared | hardly
communicate with. And Brad | don't believe was connected on WhatsApp.

Q_ What other social media applications do you use? Have you used

Signal?
A __ Ihave used Signal, yes.
Q __ Did you use that during the campaign?
A__ | don't believe | did.
Q__ Did the PAC engage in any voter suppression efforts?

No, it did not.
MR. MUYSKENS: Hey, [EE how much longer is this going on? It's
getting a little redundant.

Het me see if -- we'll go off the record for a minute.

[Discussion held off the record.]

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Analytica to collect Facebook user information via Global Science Research?

A__ It sounds to me, from listening to what you just read out to me,
Aleksandr Kogan was engaged -- or engaged in this program himself.

Q_ Was he working for SCL?

A Aleksandr Kogan did not work for SCL.

Q__ Has he worked for Cambridge Analytica?

A __ No, he hasn't worked for Cambridge Analytica. Aleksandr Kogan
undertook a research project, | believe, in the capacity of -- GDS, did you say?

Q_ GSR.

A __ | beg your pardon -- in the capacity of GSR and collected a data -- or
GSR collected these data. But we did not pay him to undertake this work, if that's
what you mean.

Q Is it common practice for acquiring data to inform your analytics and
your targeting?

A I'msorry. | didn't understand the question.

MR. MUYSKENS: You just asked if it's common practice to acquire data to
do your analytics. I'm assuming that's not what you meant to ask.

oY

Q__ It sounds like Mr. Kogan gathered data from Facebook and users, and
users’ friends didn't necessarily know the data was being collected. Is that type of
information something Cambridge would use?

A Well, look, you'd have to ask Mr. Kogan that, about what his
methodology or his research methodology was. _| think it's clear from the article
that this research was undertaken by Mr. Kogan and not by Cambridge Analytica,

so | wouldn't be able to necessarily comment other than to speculate on what he

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MR. NIX: Cambridge Analytica is a private company, and we don't discuss
our shareholders or their investments.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, did Rebekah Mercer have a role with the Trump
campaign?

MR. NIX: No.

MR. SCHIFF: Was she a supporter of the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: You'd have to ask her that, sir.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, I'm asking you if you know whether she was
supporting the Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: Well, | can tell you that the Mercers were very openly backing
Senator Cruz as their candidate of choice.

MR. SCHIFF: Until what point?

MR. NIX: Clearly, until Senator Cruz lost the nomination.

MR. SCHIFF: And at that point, did the Mercers become involved in the
Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: Again, | can't speak for someone else in this inquiry. | can
obviously address anything that | may be able to shed light on, but | can't put
words in someone else's mouth.

MR. SCHIFF: Of course, I'm not asking you to put words in someone
else's mouth. I'm asking you only, to your knowledge, did the Mercers then back
Donald Trump?

MR. NIX: My suggestion would be that they wanted to back the
Republican candidate, whomever that may have been, the winning Republican
candidate.

MR. SCHIFF: And, to your knowledge, did they back Donald Trump?

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INTERVIEW OF ALEXANDER NIX

U.S. House of Representatives,

Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,
Washington, D.C.

Thursday, December 14, 2017

The interview in the above matter was held at the law offices Greenberg
Traurig LLC, Suite 1000, 2101 L Street N.W., Washington, D.C., 20037,
commencing at 9:13 a.m.

Present: Representatives Schiff, Quigley, and Speier,

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did and how he did it.

Q What is SCL Elections, and what is Cambridge Analytica's relationship

to it?

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Well, | think we've had this discussion. They are both private

companies, and we don't comment on the structure or relationship of private

companies.

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What is SCL Elections?

It's a global election campaign management business.

Is it incorporated in the United Kingdom?
That's correct.

Do you have a role in SCL Elections?
Yes, | do.

What is your role?

CEO.

Sorry?

CEO.

For how many companies are you CEO?

Several. I'm not trying to obfuscate the answer.

More than 10?

Less than 10, | should say. Five to 10.
Five or 10?

Five to 10.

And are they all privately held companies?

Yes, they are.

| don't know.

Are you aware, Mr. Nix, of the declassified Intelligence Community

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believe, and go work for a campaign, but you can't work for a campaign and then
work for a super-PAC without a cooling off period of 120 days.

Q_ Okay. That makes a lot of sense.

A And the idea behind this is that you can't leave the campaign and
share the strategy of the campaign with the super-PAC, which obviously has
unlimited funding potential, such that it can then implement that strategy with
the -- with those unlimited dollars.

Q_ That makes a lot of sense.

And then your role, can you just give me a quick summary, you know, what
side of the wall you were on? | couldn't -- it was a little hard for me to follow.

A So! was initially responsible for liaisoning between Cambridge
Analytica and both the Trump campaign and the super-PAC in order to win the
contract to support these entities.

But once we had won the contract to support the Trump campaign, | was no
longer allowed to have any dialogue with anyone within the campaign firewall at a
strategic level. The only discussions | was allowed to have, or were allowed to
have, were at a commercial level to explore opportunities for developing the
contract for services.

Q__ Sois it fair to say before the entering of the contract by Cambridge
Analytica and the Trump campaign, you, on behalf of Cambridge Analytica, were
attempting to obtain a contract so you could execute your professional services on
behalf of the Trump campaign?

A __ Yes, that's correct.

Q_ And you weren't participating in policy-level discussions or talking on a

daily basis with Trump campaign staffers or high-level officials who were actually

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MR. QUIGLEY: I'msorry. Jared Kushner.

MR. NIX: Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner | met initially in New York at his
offices. Again, that's -- as | said before, | can speculate that was in late May.

And that meeting was to discuss Cambridge Analytica being on-boarded by the
campaign to provide services.

MR. QUIGLEY: And that was the only meeting with Mr. Kushner?

MR. NIX: I'm hesitating because | believe it was the only meeting because
| can't recall a followup meeting. There were certainly a number of conversations
on the telephone, but | believe that was the only meeting, but it would be very easy
to confirm that for you.

MR. QUIGLEY: !vanka Trump?

MR. NIX: | have never met Ivanka Trump, although she was present in
Trump Tower on the evening of the election. | just wasn't presented to her.

MR. QUIGLEY: Steve Bannon?

MR. NIX: | first met Steve Bannon in 2013, maybe late 2012, sir. And I've
been in regular and frequent communication and meetings with him over the last 5
years.

MR. QUIGLEY: During the course of the campaign, your communication
with Steve Bannon, was that in person, by phone, by internet?

MR. NIX: Probably all of the above. | would likely have met with him a
few times just because we shared common friends and colleagues. I'm sure that
we shared emails and/or telephone calls with each other.

MR. QUIGLEY: Now, you say you met him you think several times.

Would that have been in the United States?

MR. NIX: Yes, it would have.

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can?

MR. NIX: Yes, certainly, sir. I'll just look that up for you.
O-c-z-k-o-w-s-k-i.

MR. QUIGLEY: Thank you. So let me run some names by you. And,
again, during the course of the campaign, whom did you meet with or
communicate with in the Trump campaign, starting with the candidate himself?
Did you meet candidate Trump?

MR. NIX: During the campaign, | only met President Trump on the night of
polling.

MR. QUIGLEY: The night of what?

MR. NIX: Of polling.

MR. QUIGLEY: Oh, you mean election?

MR. NIX: The night of the election. Election night.

MR. QUIGLEY: Where was that?

MR. NIX: In Trump Tower.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. And the nature of that meeting?

MR. NIX: Oh, the parties that had been supporting the campaign were
gathered in Trump Tower to watch the results coming in. We were there from
about 7:30 or 8 o'clock in the evening, maybe 7:30 in the evening, until about 3 in
the morning.

MR. QUIGLEY: Your meeting with the candidate, how long was that?

MR. NIX: | was introduced to him as part of the campaign team. It
was -- it was as brief as a handshake.

MR. QUIGLEY: Another name, Jared Trump. I'm sorry -- Jared Kushner.

MR. NIX: I'm not familiar with that person.

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Y=".

MR. MUYSKENS: We can't see anything. Hmm. | guess it doesn't really
matter, but -- I'll let you go on, JME I'm sorry. | didn’t mean to interrupt you
with a technical issue.

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Q_ Mr. Nix, you reapplied later that same day, quote, "Rebekah has
agreed to underwrite this piece of work. If we have not signed a contract within a
couple of weeks, we will pull out."

I'm assuming Rebekah is Rebekah Mercer?

A | would assume so, given the context.

Q_ Mr. Taylor, on that same page responds, "I am not sure RM can
underwrite the deal as you suggest due to FEC regulations. For her to pick up
the tab would be an in-kind donation, and a couple of weeks of work at fair market
value would certainly exceed her donation cap, assuming she hasn't already
donated cash," end quote.

Mr. Taylor goes onto lay out a few upsides and many downsides to the
approach. And then on May 28, that's Bates 1569, Mr. Wheatland replied, quote,
"If she underwrites the cost, this never needs to be visible. If there's an FEC
issue, it's an issue for the campaign as well as us, so they'll have to ask us to
leave if they are not going to pay. There's nothing to lose and it's a superb
commercial move to get in the door at zero risk," end quote.

After Mr. Taylor expresses a few more concerns, you reply at the end,
quote, "For the last time, enough. This decision is made. | am convinced they
will try and fuck us ever we do, and the upside of being part of the campaign far

outweighs the issue you referenced," end quote.

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made that public.

MR. NIX: I can't tell you how | felt towards that. It's --

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, did it or does it bother you to understand that these
systems had been hacked?

MR. NIX: We work on elections all over the world, and we always work in
free and fair democracies for mainstream political parties in order to try and help
our candidates to communicate most effectively and most legally with their
citizens.

The idea that any --

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, how did --

MR. NIX: -- that any election is hacked is clearly a front to that democracy
and the democratic system generally. And therefore, that --

MR. QUIGLEY: Respectfully, sir, how did you think that WikiLeaks had
obtained these emails?

MR. MUYSKENS: Would you mind doing us the courtesy of allowing my
client to finish?

MR. QUIGLEY: | apologize. Please go ahead.

MR. MUYSKENS: Thank you.

MR. NIX: Sorry. I've lost my train of thought. But I'll answer your second
question, which is, I've already made it clear to you that we heard about the
WikiLeaks having Hillary's emails from the newspaper.

Yes, it is possible they could have been hacked. It's possible that one of
her staffers or colleagues could have handed them over, you know. There are
numbers of different ways that information can be passed around, and that's not

always to suggest that it's done by a foreign state actor, you know, through a hack.

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[12:28 p.m.]

H,WVe can go back on the record,
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Q_ Mr. Nix, a Columbia University technology expert, in October 2017,
wrote an article on the website "Medium" pointing out that a data scientist intern
named Michael Phillips, who apparently may have been Cambridge Analytica's
chief data scientist or somehow was employed by Cambridge Analytica during the
time of the Trump campaign, had left source code on the site GitHub.

Are you aware of that incident?

A Well, let me start by qualifying the fact that it's very unlikely that a data
science intern would have been our chief data scientist. | think the clue is in the
word "intern."

As to your question, | am aware of what you're talking about, and this code
was personal code that he had written that had nothing to do with Cambridge
Analytica nor the work that we were undertaking for the Trump campaign or the
super PAC. It was a private project that he was working on and, therefore, not
relevant to this line of inquiry.

~Q_ The data apparently included private login information for Cambridge's
Twitter data. Is that accurate, to the best of your knowledge?

A | can't comment on that because | haven't read the code. But when
the matter came up, | did speak to the senior members of the data team, who
assured me that there was nothing confidential nor sensitive nor proprietary in
that, and it was specifically a working log on a private project of that individual,
which he's entirely entitled to do.

Q_ Mr. Nix, can you describe the events surrounding Aleksandr Kogan,

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the speaking agency. So | think The Guardian article, newspaper article, came
out in early June. | asked my PA, my secretary, to follow up on that. It took her
a day or a week to identify a contact. The best that she could come up with was
the speaking agency that represents Julian Assange.

| believe she then reached out to them -- and | can't confirm how she
reached out to them, but I'm assuming it was by telephone -- and asked them if
they could -- would be interested to take a call with me. And she received a no
reply, as you are aware.

Q_ Thank you. So, just to clarify the timeline, the outreach from
Cambridge Analytica to the speaking agency which was in communication with
WikiLeaks, that happened before Cambridge Analytica's employment relationship
began with the Trump campaign?

A __ Having looked through the emails and discussed the matter with my
counsel, our assumption is that that happened before we were engaged by the
campaign.

Q__ And your first knowledge of anything -- let's call it WikiLeaks and
emails, let's put it in that bucket -- you're testifying came from The Guardian news
article, which, again, was published before your relationship with the Trump
campaign began?

A __ That is correct, sir.

Q__ | believe you testified to this, so | apologize if it's repetitive, but have
you or anyone at Cambridge Analytica ever spoken or communicated with Julian
Assange?

A Absolutely not. No one at my company nor myself has ever spoken

or communicated with Julian Assange.

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running the day-to-day affairs of the campaign in regards to policy of all things
Russia or anything else for that matter?

A _ That's absolutely correct, sir.

Q_ And then after the establishment of the contract, | imagine, and correct
me if I'm wrong, but you and Cambridge Analytica, your services were limited to
exactly what the contract outlined. And did that contract outline for you to engage
with high-level Trump campaign officials on policy decisions, directives, and how
that presidency would actually look or run?

A No, it did not. No.

Q_ And had you or anyone at Cambridge Analytica ever taken such a role
as to inject your personal opinions through your professional capacity to influence
the outcome of the presidential election in 2016 on behalf of Trump and his
surrogates?

A No.

Hat's all have. Thank you.

MR. NIX: Thank you. .

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Hh, yes. There it is.

MR. MUYSKENS: Thank you.
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Q_ Mr. Nix, | just have a couple of follow-up questions. My name is

HE. | BR with the minority staff. And then I'll turn it over to

my colleague [and we'll probably both ask questions.

We were able to obtain a copy of the letter that we sent to you. Apparently

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similar.

Q_ Thank you. And your title at Cambridge Analytica, sir?

A CEO.

Q_ Thank you. You referenced in the closing remarks when Mr. Schiff
was questioning you about some article that caused your attention to be brought to
a certain matter. Can you tell us about this article and what the substance of it
was?

A __ Ireally can't recall the article, but I'm sure you could find it, sir. The
British newspaper The Guardian published a story that said WikiLeaks has
obtained these emails and is due to publish them. I'd never heard anything about
these emails prior to reading that. And | had -- | turned to my colleague and said:
Wow, if that's true, that could seriously impact the election. If we could get hold of
those, it would be -- it would be very interesting.

Q_ Can you give us an approximate date of when you learned that
information for the first time in The Guardian news article?

A Well, I'm suggesting that it was around mid-June 2016.

Q_ And at that time, you already had an employment relationship with the
Trump campaign?

A __ | believe we started working for the Trump campaign sometime
between the 12th and the 18th of June. So we think that the initial outreach to
WikiLeaks happened prior to this date.

Q_ Okay. So the initial outreach, when you say the "initial outreach," the
initial outreach that was part of the discussion with the minority, is that what you're
referencing?

A Yes. When | say “outreach to WikiLeaks," | actually mean outreach to

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Q_ What type of data did Cambridge Analytica use to target voters for
online ads?

A _ Well, we used a combination of our own datasets, and then, as I've
mentioned just now, we then started to -- as the RNC were engaged by the
campaign, we started to use their data.

We augmented these data with first-party research. We were undertaking
some 350- to 400,000 quantitative instruments every month.

Q_ And excuse me for my ignorance. Could you explain really simply
what a dataset is?

A A dataset is a set of data.

Q_ Anyset of data?

A Anysetofdata. That's my understanding of the meaning of the
words.

Q__ Did you have datasets used to target individuals by gender for your
advertising?

A _ It's possible that demographic segmentation would have been a part of
our targeting. It is unlikely that we would have built a model based on one data
point.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica have datasets used to target individuals by
geography?

A Yes, geography would have been one of the many hundreds of data
points that we might have had on any of the individuals that we were targeting.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica use datasets to target by race?

A __ It's very possible that ethnicity or race would have been one of the

data points that we've been able to collect on individuals in the United States.

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mid-2015 to inquire as to the possibility of being able to support their Presidential
nomination bid with our services. And so | opened up a dialogue at that time with
the then-campaign manager, who was Corey Lewandowski. And | continued to
engage and to pursue this line of inquiry for some 12 months until we eventually
started working for the campaign after Trump won the nomination.

MR. QUIGLEY: You started working for the campaign. What month was
that then?

MR. NIX: That was in June 2016. So a little after -- a little over a year
after | first contacted the Trump campaign.

MR. QUIGLEY: So, besides Mr. Lewandowski, who were you in contact
with in the period between his announcement and the time you were hired?

MR. NIX: So | was predominantly liaising with Mr. Lewandowski. After he
stood down or resigned from being campaign manager, | had one discussion with
Paul Manafort, who was brought in as the new campaign manager. And | also
had discussions and met with Jared Kushner and also with Brad Parscale.

MR. QUIGLEY: So, when was that switch when it went from
Mr. Lewandowski to Mr. Manafort for you? When did you start communicating
with Mr. Manafort instead?

MR. NIX: Well, it would be difficult for me to specify the date, but the
period was after Mr. Lewandowski was removed as campaign manager and,
obviously, after Mr. Manafort was instated as campaign manager.

MR. QUIGLEY: Do you remember which month --

MR. NIX: | believe | had one meeting with Paul Manafort in Trump Tower
to discuss how we might be able to support the campaign, but no further meetings

because Mr. Manafort was subsequently removed as campaign manager. So

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MR. NIX: Well, the problem of -- of bringing these -- the contents of these
emails to light.

MR. SCHIFF: So that was the goal then, to bring these emails to light?

MR. NIX: That was the goal, yes.

MR. SCHIFF: And when, as best you can tell us, was this outreach to
WikiLeaks made?

MR. NIX: Well, according to the document 0077, about 2 months before
this email was sent, which would suggest late June.

MR. SCHIFF: And, again, who on your staff made the outreach?

MR. NIX: My PA.

MR. SCHIFF: And who is that?

MR. NIX: A young lady called Livia Krisandova, who is also copied on this
email.

MR. SCHIFF: And did they make that outreach to WikiLeaks by phone or
by email or both?

MR. NIX: I don't know, sir. I'd have to check with her. But please let me
clarify. They didn't make this outreach to WikiLeaks. She made an outreach to a
speaking agency that represented Julian Assange. There was an intermediary
that she connected with, not to WikiLeaks themselves.

MR. SCHIFF: And the records, if these were in email form, from your
personal assistant to the speaker's bureau representing Julian Assange, would
those have been provided to the committee?

MR. NIX: | can only assume so, sir.

MR. SCHIFF: Counsel, do you know?

MR. MUYSKENS: | don't think any emails from Ms. Krisandova to anyone

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the global research scientist -- or Global Science Research, in the acquisition of
Facebook data?

A What specific events would you like me to describe, ma'am?

Q_ According to an in-depth piece by The Intercept in March of this year,
Aleksandr Kogan was a Cambridge University lecturer and was contracted by SCL
to support SCL's election work.

In 2014, Kogan used an entity, Global Science Research, as a vehicle for
recruiting users on Mechanical Turk, an Amazon-owned marketplace where users
would bid on performing tasks requiring human intelligence, such as survey-taking.

As part of its terms for user recruitment online, GSR only wanted American
participants and required them to download an app that allegedly harvested a wide
swath of user data, including their likes, as well as data about the users' friends,
apparently without the participants' friends' knowledge or direct consent.

In late 2015, GSR shut down the operation. The Intercept's unnamed
sources gave similar accounts, that GSR may have collected between 100,000
and 180,000 Facebook users’ data, from which it could then obtain 30 million total
Facebook users.

The Intercept article goes on that the purpose of Kogan's work was to
develop an algorithm for the national profiling capacity of American citizens as part
of SCL's work on U.S. elections.

Have you read that article? Are you aware of those facts?

A |have not read that article. 1am not familiar with The Intercept.

Q___ Do you know Aleksandr Kogan?

A __ | know Aleksandr Kogan.
Q

Was Mr. Kogan contracted or otherwise working for SCL or Cambridge

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questions with absolutely no foundation. So maybe just if you could -- it would be
helpful to everybody to have a clear transcript, if you could, you know, establish
that we are all on the same page of terminology.

Here not -

MR. MUYSKENS: Now, that's abundantly clear this is not a legal setting,
but I'm just suggesting it might make this more efficient.

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Q_ Mr. Nix, do you keep U.S. person information separate from non-U.S.
person information?

A We don't have the same data on non-U.S. persons as we do on U.S.
persons. Different territories have different legislations, and different legislation
governs what sort of data you can hold, and how it needs to be held. So for every
territory that we operate in, we have to abide by the local legislation in terms of
how we collect and maintain our data sets.

Q_ On the Cambridge Analytica website, there's a reference to up to
5,000 data points on over 230 million American voters. How did Cambridge
Analytica build up to that?

A These data are commercially available in the United States. The
legislative environment is such that companies such as Cambridge Analytica are
able to license or acquire these data from large and small data vendors and data
aggregators. In addition, we undertake material amounts of first-party research to
augment these data files that we are able to buy or license commercially.

Q Has Cambridge Analytica acquired bulk data through Facebook?

A No, it has not.

Q___ Did Cambridge Analytica purchase Facebook ads during the election

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adverts and where to place them.
Q__ Does the PAC still exist?
| believe it does.
Did it have its own email address?
| believe it did not. | know it did not. Sorry.
But what email address did you use for your communications?
Between whom?
In your role with the PAC.
My Cambridge Analytica email.

Did you use any other email accounts?

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Not knowingly. | had no need to.

Q___ Did you communicate with anyone on the PAC or the Trump campaign
with WhatsApp?

A _ Itis entirely possible, but it would not have been a primary method of
communication. There was no need to use anything other than a telephone or
email.

Q_ Who would you have communicated with on WhatsApp in the
campaign?

MR. MUYSKENS: Assuming you did actually.

MR. NIX: Well, on the campaign, | would not have communicated with
anyone in my team, because, obviously, the FEC rules would prohibit that. But
it's possible that we had communications with either Jared or Brad or Bannon to
discuss, you know, commercial relationship.

| know for a fact that Steve Bannon doesn't use WhatsApp. | never

communicated with Jared on it. And | don't know that Brad and | have ever

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report assessing Russian activities and intentions in the recent U.S. election?
A What was the question?
MR. MUYSKENS: Are you familiar with some report?
MR. NIX: Sorry. Did you ask if I'm familiar with the report?

a <:

MR. NIX: No, I'm not familiar with the report. I'm sorry.
YT

Q__ Have you heard the reports of the U.S. Intelligence Community
assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. election?

A No, | haven't heard any specifics from that report. | am familiar with
commentary to that effect that is being circulated in the media.

Q_ Atthe Lisbon web summit last month, according to The Wall Street
Journal, you called the notion that Russians, quote, significantly interfered in the
U.S. election as, frankly, absurd.

A Yes. The context of that reply was to a question about whether |
thought it was possible for the Russians to engender a data analytics and
communication capability similar to that of Cambridge Analytica in the timeframe
that would have been available in this election.

So the notion that the Russians could have built and managed an operation
similar to ours, which only could have started, assuming that their intention was to
support President Trump, post-nomination -- so the idea that they could achieve
that in 5 months, which had taken us 4 years to build, for me, was unrealistic.

Q__ That's helpful, to have the context.

There has been a lot of public reporting tying Cambridge Analytica to the

pro-Brexit effort. What role, if any, did Cambridge play during Brexit?

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be -- about this meeting, but | think it's unbecoming of the House Intel Committee
to allow these leaks out.

So, with that said, we would encourage you, as we continue to cooperate,
we would ask you to please recognize our desire for the confidentiality that we
have assumed and been told is coming. And, you know, going forward, | would
also encourage the committee to maybe look in to who might be the one leaking
this information. You are the House Intel Committee. {t is unbecoming of your
committee to have this sort of thing being broadcast live.

And just for the record, you may want to see who's been, you know,
discussing this with a certain Mark Hosenball at Thomson Reuters, because he's
the one who is asking currently about our Skype conversation.

With that said, | do appreciate you guys finishing this up. And if you do
need anything in the future, we will entertain any reasonable request, and we want
to continue to be as cooperative as we can be.

HM, Thanks. Mr. Muyskens, Mr. Nix, we appreciate, on behalf of
the majority — this is JJM} We'll take your concerns into full consideration,
and we agree with your statement regarding confidentiality.

And | can only speak on behaif of the majority, that there is absolutely no
person or member or staff on behalf of the majority that in any way violated the
confidentiality agreement and the terms of this agreement or its arrangement and
discussed it to the press, especially not so during the course of the interview,
which we greatly appreciate your patience -- which has now gone on some 4-plus
hours.

Thank you, gentlemen. | hope you have a good day.

HEE, «0 before we go off the record, I'd just like to make a

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Do you know the role of the folks that were embedded in San Antonio? Do
you know what role they played?

A Yes, | do.

Q_ Can you tell us what their role was?

A Certainly! can. | just remind you, | have just told you this. The
individuals were providing quantitative research, data analytics and predictive
modeling, digital marketing, and optimizing the broadcast television advertising.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica have access to RNC data during the
campaign?

A Yes, it did.

Q__ Did it have access to data gathered by the Trump team?

A __ | don't know the answer to that question. And | don't know how much
data the Trump -- the campaign team gathered.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica also bring its own data to the Trump
campaign?

A Initially, yes, but as the campaign developed, we started to use more
data from the RNC.

Q_ What was different about the RNC data compared to yours?

A The RNC data has more political data attached to it, as they have data
from other campaigns around the country which are then -- the RNC manages a
data exchange called the Data Trust, which basically provides campaigns,
Republican campaigns, with data. In exchange for giving access to these data,
the campaigns are encouraged to update the data files or voter files with any
additional information that they've been able to collect during their campaign.

Q_ Is that something you had to pay for, or was that provided -- | guess,

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lt was a sales and marketing role that | performed in order to increase the
scope of work for Cambridge Analytica.

MS. SPEIER: So who did you work with within the super-PAC?

MR. NIX: So the super-PAC was an independent expenditure that was set
up to support the Trump campaign, and Cambridge Analytica undertook a
significant role in providing the same or similar source of services to the
super-PAC as we provided to the campaign.

MS. SPEIER: So you would probably use the same analytics in the
super-PAC as you might have been using in the campaign?

MR. NIX: No. We actually have to use different data, different analytics,
different systems, different servers, different models, different team members,
areas. It's a very serious firewall that prevents us from sharing personnel or
know-how between the two entities.

MS. SPEIER: So who -- what was the name of the super-PAC?

MR. NIX: Make America Number One.

MS. SPEIER: Not Make America Great, huh?

MR. NIX: Was it Make America Great? | believe it was Make America
Number One.

MS. SPEIER: So in terms of the amount of enumeration you received that
we have, | guess, been able to determine over time, that may have only been for
Cambridge Analytica on the campaign versus Cambridge Analytica on the
super-PAC?

MR. NIX: | couldn't begin to answer that, as | don't know what information
you have in front of you.

MS. SPEIER: So who was running the Make America Number One PAC?

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Q__ Ihave a feeling they would probably be the better person to ask a
number of the questions we have. And I'm assuming they didn't tell you about
their Facebook buying or their Twitter purchases. Is that correct?

A __ Notin the level of detail that you're suggesting that you might want to
pursue.

Q___Do you know if you used a company called Sprinkler during the
campaign?

A __ I've never heard of that company before.

Q__ Did the Trump campaign, via Cambridge, purchase Twitter ads? And
do you know how much was spent on the Twitter ads if you did purchase them?

A | don't know the answer to either of those questions.

Q_ Understanding that Mr. Parscale's group did some web designing and
content, did Cambridge Analytica have any responsibility for web content on the
campaign?

A | don't think so, but | can't answer with total certainty on that.

Q___Do you know whether Cambridge Analytica created YouTube videos
for the campaign?

A __ | can't answer with any conviction on that either. | don't know. | just
don't know.

Q_ Asenior Trump campaign official said that the Trump campaign was
engaged in efforts to suppress the vote among, quote, "idealistic white liberals,
young women, and African Americans," end quote. Some of that targeting was
delivered through Facebook dark posts, which were nonpublic posts whose
viewership the campaign controlled so that, as Mr. Parscale puts it, "only the

people we want to see see it."

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MR. NIX: Make America Number One PAC was being run by a colleague
called Emily Cornell.

MS. SPEIER: And how did you engage with her? | mean, do you know
her personally and you appointed her, or how was this PAC created?

MR. NIX: Well, a PAC could be incorporated by anyone as far as I'm
aware, but you'd probably be better speaking to the counsel behind you.

In this case, | believe the PAC was formed by lawyers, and it was then
funded by donors, and Cambridge Analytica were asked to take on a significant
role in managing and supporting the PAC.

MS. SPEIER: So who did you -- did you communicate with Emily Cornell
in your work that you did for the PAC?

MR. NIX: Yes. | was involved quite heavily with the PAC, as | sat inside
the PAC firewall.

MS. SPEIER: Can you tell us who she is, what she does?

MR. NIX: She was, or is, a former employee of Cambridge Analytica.

MS. SPEIER: Okay. So the PAC was created and the CEO or the
founder of the PAC was Emily Cornell who worked at Cambridge Analytica?

MR. NIX: The PAC was created as an independent expenditure, and
Cambridge Analytica were asked to take prominent roles in managing the PAC.
One of those was held by Emily Cornell, who was the head of the PAC.

Hive minutes.

MS. SPEIER: So if | understand correctly, it was also known as Defeat
Crooked Hillary PAC?

MR. NIX: The official name of the PAC was Make America Number One.

MS. SPEIER: Was it also known as Defeat Crooked Hillary?

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Q__ To your knowledge, did any Cambridge Analytica employees travel to
Russia between June 2015 and November 2016?

A To my knowledge, none of my employees did. Certainly none of them
traveled there as part of their employment.

Q__ I'm sure you've seen some of the public reporting about the social
media operations conducted out of Saint Petersburg, Russia, the troll farm there.
To your knowledge, did Cambridge Analytica or any subsidiary or associate of
Cambridge Analytica interact with anyone in Saint Petersburg?

A Tomy knowledge, no, we did not.

Q What year was Cambridge Analytica created?

A __ | believe the company was formally incorporated in 2013.

Q_ What were the circumstances under which it was incorporated? Why
was it created?

A We wanted to establish a U.S. vehicle to address the political market
in 2014.

Q_ Are the Mercers the sole funders of Cambridge?

A Cambridge Analytica is a private company, and we don't disclose
information on our shareholders or board members.

Q Who heads the SCL Group, Limited?

A Could you define "has" please?

Q_ Who heads? Who is the leader?

A Oh, heads. Sorry, | beg your pardon. So SCL Group technically is

run by myself, or headed by myself.

Hive minutes.
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campaign with her?

MR. NIX: | would have likely kept her abreast of any meetings that | had
with Corey Lewandowski, but seeing as none of those meetings bore any fruit,
there would have been little to share with her.

MR. SCHIFF: And when would you have had the first conversation with
her, or did you discuss, apart from these emails, with her the Hillary Clinton
emails?

MR. NIX: Well, it looks like that the first time that -- it looks like that
Rebekah reached out to me, pursuant to receiving an email from a Lisa
Fleischmann inquiring whether this was something that Cambridge or GIA could
easily do.

MR. SCHIFF: And had you discussed the Hillary Clinton emails with
Rebekah Mercer prior to this email?

He minute.

MR. NIX: I don't think so. And that would be backed up by the fact that |
referenced in my email to her: For your information, 2 months ago, we contacted
Julian Assange directly to ask him blah, blah, blah.

That would indicate that she wasn't aware of this fact, and I'm making her
aware of it in this email.

MR. SCHIFF: And did you have any subsequent discussion with her about
the subject of the Hillary Clinton emails?

MR. NIX: Not to my knowledge, no.

MR. SCHIFF: So, even though you hadn't obtained them, they were being
published at some point. Did you discuss them at the time of their publication by

WikiLeaks or DCLeaks or Guccifer 2?

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A __ That's a very good question. I'm going to have to get back to you on
that because | believe different data sets are housed in different locations
depending on specific State legislation. But our data is housed in the cloud, and
the control of that data resides in the relevant jurisdictions from where we operate.

Q Okay. So would you mind getting back to us on where it's actually
housed?

MR. MUYSKENS: We will take all of your requests and we'll review them.
Maybe it makes sense at the end of this, when you've reviewed the transcript, to
put together a list of things you've requested throughout the -- throughout this
interview, if you don't mind.

Happy to do that.

MR. MUYSKENS: Sure.

| Do you know whether U.S. person data sets or files are kept
separate and apait from non-U.S. person data file and sets?

MR. MUYSKENS: Could | suggest that before you ask questions like that,
that you don't assume these things exist, or at least don't assume that they exist in
the terminology you're using.

Because | think one reason you guys are having a slight bit of trouble
communicating is, you know, we need to -- | don't really know what a personal
data set is. You see what I'm saying? It may be called something else. Thank
you.

HE S's entirely possible that | am calling it the entirely wrong
name, so if you could maybe help me understand what I'm trying to ask. I'm nota
tech person, so --

MR. MUYSKENS: Yeah. And in the law, we refer to that as asking

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was that provided as a courtesy due to your relationship with the campaign?

A Well, the RNC provides these data to the campaign. And, obviously,
we were engaging with these data in our capacity as service providers to the
campaign. So they weren't giving these data to Cambridge; they were giving
them to the campaign. And we were working on them on behalf of the campaign.

Q_ Would it be fair to say that, for example, Cambridge Analytica no
longer has access to that data?

A Yes, it would.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica use any other third-party data that was not
purchased?

A __ As far as I'm aware, it did not.

Q__ Understanding you utilized RNC data, was the RNC able to utilize your
data as well?

A Well, the RNC doesn't have a data analytics capability that I'm aware
of, certainly not one that would be able to perform the sort of analytics that
Cambridge Analytica undertakes.

Q__ But in terms of the voter data, was there any sort of swapping of data,
sharing of data?

A Notas far as I'm aware of.

Q__ Did you or anyone affiliated with the campaign, to your knowledge,
ever share voter information with anyone affiliated with a foreign government?

A Absolutely not.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica have access to voter files?

A Yes, we have access to voter files. Any commercial entity can license

a voter file or purchase a voter file in the United States.

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MR. ZAUSNER: Andy Zausner, also representing --

MS. MATHEWS: Sarah Mathews.

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especially on the TV, we ask that you answer all questions verbally. If you forget
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Consistent with the committee's rules of procedure, you and your counsel,
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MR. MUYSKENS: | do find it interesting that Cambridge Analytica is now
getting calls from Reuters asking us whether we can confirm that there is a video
conference going on at Greenberg Traurig with Alex Nix.

| would like to put on the record that | think this type of confidentiality, or
lack thereof, is disgusting. It is not what we were promised, not what we
assumed would happen. And I'm going to state that | really do object to you all
taking this as, | guess, apparently not seriously at all. You know, this is
confidential. This is important. You are the House Intel Committee. We
respectfully ask you to try to keep some of this confidential and do your jobs.

Thank you.

HR, Thank you. We appreciate that.

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Q_ Mr. Nix, | just have a couple questions regarding -- as | said, | am not
well versed in your universe, and there was a number of questions regarding being
walled off from the super-PAC, which | forget the name of, Make America Number
One Again.

A Number one.

Q_ Thank you. So if you were -- -- can you just give me a quick summary
of what it means to be walled off in the super-PAC versus the campaign, and then
your position vis-a-vis those two?

A __ Soit's not possible to work on both the campaign and for a super-PAC
at the same time. So any staffer to a campaign or a super-PAC has to work only

for that entity. Actually, that's not entirely true. You can leave a super-PAC, |

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MR. QUIGLEY: And just to make sure you finish, is there anything else
you wanted to answer?

MR. NIX: No, thank you, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. Had you ever heard of the GOP operative Peter
Smith?

MR. NIX: I've never heard of him, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay.

MS. SPEIER: Can you tell us about your relationship with Nigel Farage?

MR. NIX: | think I've met Nigel Farage twice only in my life, once was
socially, and once | met him in London at a meeting.

MS. SPEIER: And what was this meeting about?

MR. NIX: This meeting was to explore whether there might be
opportunities to undertake political work, largely in the U.K. and other European
countries together, leveraging his relationships of the European parliament.

MS. SPEIER: So you did not introduce him to then-candidate Donald
Trump?

MR. NIX: No. No, | did not.

MS. SPEIER: There's an email that appears to be from you, number
000019-22 that references -- have you found it?

MR. NIX: No, but do continue, ma'am.

MR. MUYSKENS: | were these in the front of that big stack you
sent or -- they're not in any -- they're kind of in random Bates order, so it's a little
hard for us to find the particular number.

MS. SPEIER: The number is 19-22, but it's a reference to your email in

which you, | guess, are talking to Steve Bannon and indicating that it would cost

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A No. It's more complex than that.

Q__ Sois it fair to say -- you mentioned earlier that the RNC didn't have the
capability to conduct analytics. Would you take their data and then apply your
analytics to that information?

A We would apply our methodology. Analytics isn't a product; it's a skill
set or a service. So we could perform data analytics on their data. It's not that
we would append or attach analytics to their data.

Q_ Right. And did you perform analytics on their data?

A Yes, we did.

Q_ What type of analytics did you perform on the RNC data?

A We undertook predictive modeling to try and understand which voters
in the United States were likely to support Trump as opposed to Hillary or any
other candidate, what their ideologies might be. We tried to understand what
issues people cared about. We tried to understand who was likely to want to
donate or volunteer to support a campaign. We tried to understand who was
likely to turn out and vote or not. These sorts of things.

Q__ Now, if you identified a group of folks who might be inclined not to turn
out and vote, did you then target that group to encourage them not to go vote?

A__ Sorry, could | just repeat your question? You said, if we'd identified a
group of voters who were not likely to vote, did we then target them to encourage
them not to vote. Is that what you said?

Q__ [can probably say that more clearly.

Did Cambridge Analytica, in conducting analytics on the RNC data,
discover information about a group who might be inclined not to vote and then

target those voters to encourage them not to vote?

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MR. NIX: My apologies. It sounds like you know better than |. That
could certainly be correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. Do you recall where this meeting took place?

MR. NIX: Yes. It took place in his office.

MR. QUIGLEY: In Trump Tower?

MR. NIX: No. His business office, not his campaign office. | can't
remember where that was, but it was in Manhattan.

MR. QUIGLEY: What were the circumstances for the two of you meeting?

MR. NIX: | was very interested to speak to him about the possibility of
supporting the Trump campaign, and -- and that was why | reached out to him.

MR. QUIGLEY: And when you were discussing your opportunities to work
for the Trump campaign, were you -- is this, in a sense, a sales pitch?

MR. NIX: Entirely.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay... Did you or he talk about the type of work that you
would do as it involves Russia or hacked emails at all between the two of you?

MR. NIX: Absolutely not.

MR. QUIGLEY: Who else was present at that meeting?

MR. NIX: No one else was present at that meeting.

MR. QUIGLEY: So at that -- to make sure | understand, you were at his
business office on that June 9th date. Did you meet or encounter at that location
or that day Rob Goldstone?

MR. NIX: No, I'm not familiar with who Rob Goldstone is.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. Natalia Veselnitskaya?

MR. NIX: No, I'm afraid not, sir. | don't know that name.

MR. QUIGLEY: Then you never would have met her, correct?

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Q_ What about Cambridge Analytica?
A Nor in Cambridge Analytica. | can confirm that the shareholders of
Cambridge Analytica and the shareholders of SCL Group are all either British

citizens or American citizens, as far as I'm aware.

He minute.

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Q__ If you learned that some of the stakeholders were tide to Russian
leadership, would that concern you?

A __ It depends what the nature of that relationship was.

Q__ Does Cambridge Analytica or SCL Group have a particular political
position?

A Absolutely not. Cambridge Analytica is a tech company. We do not
take an ideological stance. We could have easily worked for the Democrats as
we could have worked for the Republicans, and indeed, on the seven or eight
elections that we undertake every year, as many of them are left of center as they

are right of center.

HE that's time.
HRT en it over to my colleagues.

MR Thanks, Mr. Nix, on behalf of the majority, and we don't have
anymore questions for you. We appreciate your time.
Yield back to the minority.
MR. NIX: Thank you.
a
Q_ Mr. Nix, where is Cambridge Analytica's U.S. person voter and

consumer data housed?

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[11:28 a.m]

MR. MUYSKENS: Like, why was what?

Hh were you willing to skirt some FEC regulations in order
to --

MR. MUYSKENS: You know --

MR. NIX: That's not how it reads to me. What it reads to me is that we
were looking at or we were exploring engaging with the campaign and we were
weighing the commercial pros and cons and the legal pros and cons.

And | think if you read Alex Taylor's email that said, "Anyway, we certainly
need to check with Larry before sending anyone out there," Larry is our counsel.
He is our FEC lawyer, who now actually works for Greenberg Traurig. And that's
exactly what we did do and did do for every decision that's involved with the
campaign, was to run it past counsel and get their opinions.

So this internal memo, which is an evaluation of the commercial and legal
ramifications and options available to us, is no more than us speculating in the
absence of the legal advice, which we then sought.

|

Q_ The SCL chairman, Mr. Wheatland, if you recall, in the email said,
quote: "If she" -- "she" presumably is Ms. Mercer -- "underwrites the cost, this
never needs to be visible."

A __ So that's a statement of fact. But it doesn't imply an intention, nor
does it imply an action.

Q__ Had SCL Group or Cambridge Analytica conducted similar campaign
or political work in the past similar to what you did with the Trump campaign?

A __ I'm sorry, ma'am, | didn't understand the question. Do you mean had

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represents Julian Assange. And we sent them a message asking if Julian
Assange would be willing to take a telephone call with me.

MR. QUIGLEY: And when was that? When did that take place, that
outreach?

MR. NIX: | couldn't tell you, sir, but | could very easily look that up in the
documentation and revert to you in recess.

MR. QUIGLEY: So what was the purpose of that -- your attempt to reach
out to them?

MR. NIX: | had read an article in the British newspaper The Guardian
which had indicated that WikiLeaks were -- had acquired and were going to
publish some information relevant to the outcome or relevant to the election in the
United States. And we wanted to find out what information they had and whether
they would share it with us, such that we would be able to understand the content
of that information before it became public.

MR. QUIGLEY: What was your understanding of what that information
was?

MR. NIX: My understanding was only what was published in the
newspaper article, which was -- which itself was somewhat vague, but it indicated
that WikiLeaks had -- had a copy of Hillary Clinton's emails.

MR. QUIGLEY: So you were reaching out to them to see if you could get
the Hillary Clinton emails?

MR. NIX: That is correct, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: And what was your intention of what you would do with
those emails?

MR. NIX: Well, | think that most people recognize that those emails were

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HR A! ight. Good morning, all. This is a transcribed interview
of Mr. Alexander Nix of Cambridge Analytica. Thank you very much for speaking
to us today.

For the record, | am IE EBB of the House Permanent
Select Committee on Intelligence for the majority. There are a number of other
members and staff present who will identify themselves as the proceedings get
underway.

But before we begin, | wanted to state a few things for the record.
Questioning will be conducted by members and staff. During the course of this
interview, members and staff may ask questions during their allotted time period.
Some questions may seem basic, but that is because we need to clearly establish
facts and understand the situation. Please do not assume we know any facts you
have previously disclosed as part of any other investigation or review.

And this interview will be conducted at the unclassified level.

We ask that you give complete and fulsome replies to questions based on
your best recollection. If a question is unclear or you are uncertain in your
response, please let us know. And if you do not know the answer to a question or
cannot remember, simply say so.

You are entitled to have counsel present for you during this interview, and
we appreciate your accommodation here in your office in D.C. and the VTC
equipment for you in London. At this time, if counsel could please state their
names for the record.

MR. MUYSKENS: Yes. I'm Nathan Muyskens from Greenberg Traurig,

representing Cambridge Analytica. And I've got several colleagues in

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MR. NIX: My apologies, ma'am. This is a translation, a semantic issue.
By policy, | understand what you mean is a campaign promise?

MS. SPEIER: Yes.

MR. NIX: We were not involved in that, no.

MS. SPEIER: Were you ever asked to-poll Americans on their interest in a
better relationship with Russia?

MR. NIX: | don't know, I'm afraid. To explain it to you, in the United
States, there are strict laws that govern how you can engage within campaigns
and whether or not you are inside or outside of what's known as a firewall, and
because Cambridge Analytica was working on both the Trump campaign and also
supporting a Super PAC that was supporting Trump, | was inside the firewall of the
Super PAC and, therefore, was not inside the campaign firewall, so | would not be
able to share with you any intimate day-to-day knowledge of the campaign in this
inquiry.

MS. SPEIER: So were all your employees operating in the super-PAC?

MR. NIX: No. We had some employees who were working for the
campaign and inside their firewall, and other employees were working for the
super-PAC and inside their firewall. And not only do these employees have to be
separate, but they can't communicate with each other about the campaign.

MS. SPEIER: But if | understand correctly, you did communicate with
Mr. Parscale, correct?

MR. NIX: | only communicated with Mr. Parscale up until the point that we
won the contract, and then my communications, thereafter, were limited to
commercial discussions about increasing our mandate and taking on more work,

which is totally legitimate.

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Was Cambridge Analytica involved in this aspect of Mr. Parscale's
campaign?

A As far as I'm aware, we had absolutely no involvement in that.

Q_ Are you aware of allegations that the Trump campaign was involved in
voter suppression efforts?

A No, I'm not aware at all.

Q__ Did Cambridge Analytica share or utilize any of the emails released by
WikiLeaks during the campaign?

A No, we did not. And I'm not even sure -- are we talking about the
emails that we were talking about earlier that possibly have not yet still been
released, or are we talking about some other emails?

Q_ Well --

A __ By the way, the answer is no. | mean --

Q__ Just before the Democratic National Convention, around 20,000

_ emails were released by WikiLeaks. And | believe that was the initial large dump
of emails, and that was followed by a series of releases up to the election.

No, we weren't.

Have you heard of DCLeaks.com?

No, | haven't.

Have you heard of Guccifer 2.0?

No, | haven't.

You've never heard that word?

“Lucifer 2.0"?

“Guccifer" with a '"G."

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Oh. No, I've never heard of that either. Sorry. Never heard of it

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MR. NIX: Clearly, Trump was the winning candidate.

MR. SCHIFF: Is there a reason you don't want to answer the question?

MR. NIX: Is there a reason that you don't want to join the dots?

MR. SCHIFF: Yes, because I'm asking what your personal knowledge is.
I'm not the one testifying here. I'm asking you the question.

Do you know whether Rebekah Mercer supported Donald Trump's
campaign or was involved in the campaign --

MR. NIX: No, | don't know.

MR. SCHIFF: So you never discussed the Trump campaign with Rebekah
Mercer then?

MR. NIX: Yes, | did discuss it.

Hive minutes.

MR. SCHIFF: And yet you don't know whether she was supporting the
Trump campaign?

MR. NIX: It's a very open-ended question.

MR. SCHIFF: Allright. Well, let's do it this way: Tell us about your
conversations with Rebekah Mercer on the subject of the Trump campaign.

MR. NIX: Rebekah Mercer wanted the Republicans to win the Presidency.
Therefore, she wanted to support whoever was the Republican candidate. How
deep her feelings went for President Trump as opposed to any other candidate, |
couldn't begin to speculate on. That's the point I'm trying to make.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, the point I'm trying to make is: Please tell us about
your conversations with Rebekah Mercer on the subject of the Trump campaign.

MR. NIX: Which particular conversations?

MR. SCHIFF: Well, let's start with the first conversations.

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Appearances:

For the PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE:

For ALEXANDER NIX:
NATHAN MUYSKENS

SARAH M. MATHEWS

L. ANDREW ZAUSNER
GREENBERG TRAURIG LLC.
2101 L Street N.W., Suite 1000.
Washington, D.C. 20037

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you with what we thought you would need.

Then, following that, when we were asked to provide this interview, we did
so. While it may not have been in the U.S., we were told we needed to do it as
soon as humanly possible, and these were the days that worked.

So the earlier insinuation that there was some form -- that it was our fault
that this was happening this way is preposterous. We are doing this to be as
helpful as humanly possible, as | said before. Our assistance throughout this has
been thorough, been complete. | think it's been very effective.

So, with that said, you know, to be rewarded for his cooperation by having
you guys try to call my client and avoid counsel, whether inadvertent or not, we
would ask that you not do that again, that if you do have any further inquiries, you
do go through counsel, as is required for any of your staff with legal degrees or bar
licenses. | would hope you would do that.

HR, | could, also while we're on the record -- and | do agree
with you; you have been tremendously helpful and cooperative. And | do recall
you calling me early on in this --

MR. MUYSKENS: Yeah. And | wasn't quite finished, but thank you.

HR», 0, go ahead and finish then.

MR. MUYSKENS: My next comment was, if you don't mind me finishing,
during this interview, we've already -- Cambridge Analytica has had several
inquiries from the media asking about the Skype conversation at Greenberg
Traurig's office.

You know, | find that very troublesome. You know, | mentioned this earlier,
but then we've gotten additional inquiries as we've sat here. You know, | don't

know who's sitting here twittering or tweeting -- or whatever the word might

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it was dated July 10,2017. So | was just wondering, when you recall receiving
the letter?

MR. MUYSKENS: | assume you're talking about the letter from you guys
asking for him to -- what letter are you talking about?

HS t's a letter dated July 10, 2017, to Cambridge Analytica, to
your Washington, D.C. office from the House Intelligence Committee requesting --

MR. MUYSKENS: Thank you.

2,

Q__ -- documents and interview.

A Obviously, | can't -- | can only speculate as to when | may have
received it. But assuming that the process was efficient, | probably would have
received it within a number of days of it being sent to Washington, D.C.

Q_ And this might be a question your counsel can respond to, but when
did you first contact the committee?

A __ | didn't contact the committee.

Q Someone contacted the committee. Sorry?

MR. MUYSKENS: That was done -- if you wouldn't mind letting me
answer, | would answer your question. Are you ready? | think we started -- after
receiving it, we started negotiating with counsel to find a date that worked. | don't
know when those dates were. And, again, I'm not the witness.

HE V''00 is the counsel that you spoke with?

MR. MUYSKENS: Are you seriously asking me this question in this
setting?

|.

MR. MUYSKENS: We tried to work it out.

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Q __ If any of that information were ever to come to light, just please let
your counsel know, and we can engage with him to receive it.

A Ofcourse.

Q_ Circling back to the emails, the WikiLeaks, quote/unquote, the emails
that they have, | just want to clarify one point. We were talking about -- a lot
about what your intention may or may not have been, but is it your testimony that it
is impossible for you to formulate your intention on what to do with those emails
without having first ever seen them?

A __ That is correct.

Q_ And why is that your testimony?

A Because, without understanding whether there was anything relevant
in those emails to the election, it would be impossible for me to tell you what my
intention was. It might have been the case that these emails were entirely benign
and simply not worth taking any action about.

Q_ And atthe time, did you or Cambridge Analytica have any actual
information to know that Julian Assange and/or WikiLeaks had possession of
these so-called emails?

A None whatsoever. And | don't think that we do -- we still don't have
that information today, nor do you, | don't think -- | mean, nor does anyone is my
point.

Q__ So, to the best of your recollection and your testimony here today, you,
Mr. Nix or Cambridge Analytica, still cannot confirm whether WikiLeaks and Julian

Assange is even in possession of the, quote/unquote, hacked emails?

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HR, Vere happy to continue with staff as we've done in other
interviews.

MR. QUIGLEY: Could | ask as a courtesy since we have to leave, if |
could have --

Hf you guys want to go, why don't you guys just go.

MR. QUIGLEY: - Well, what I'd like to do is ask like 5 more minutes of
questions and then --

HR,-(Vnaat | was going to offer is, why don't you just take the time
until you have to leave to ask questions.

MR. QUIGLEY: That's fine.

HR, «-0u guys take it however you wish.

MR. QUIGLEY: Sir, | apologize for the jumping back and forth. We
appreciate your understanding.

Sir, by the time this August 26 email had come out that we had just talked
about, there was quite a bit of reporting that the D trip, the Democratic
organization had been hacked, and that the cybersecurity firm, CrowdStrike,
attributed that hack to the Russia. This was done publicly. Were you aware of
those reports?

MR. NIX: If they were in the newspapers or in the public domain, it's
possible that | was aware of them, sir.

MR. QUIGLEY: And at that time, what would your feelings be about the D
trip, DNC, or any other candidates' systems being hacked by the Russians?

MR. NIX: ' | can't recall whether the hack had been attributed to the
Russians at that stage, or whether that information came out later.

MR. QUIGLEY: Well, | believe the cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike had

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A __ |had no formal meetings with General Flynn following that meeting. |
met him a couple of times casually but nothing formal.

Q__ | just have a couple of individuals to ask you about, and then we'll
wrap up.

There has been public reporting of a gentleman named Vincent
Tchenguiz -- and I'm destroying that name, I'm sure -- that he owned 25 percent of
SCL Group through Consensus Business Group, which employed current SCL
Chairman Julian Wheatland. And this public reporting is that he won over a
million dollars in the U.S. election, and then he bet on the French election. Do
you --
Won?

Do you know him?

> Oo >

| do know him.

Q_ He apparently sold his shares of SCL within weeks of Ted Cruz
announcing that he was running in 2015. Does he work for SCL?

A No, he does not. He has absolutely no connection with SCL.
Do you know a gentleman named Dmitry Firtach?
No, I've never heard that name.
Have you ever met Roger Stone?
No, I've never met Roger Stone.

Ever communicated with him?

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Yes, | think | have, but I'm going to struggle to remember what it was
about. | think | sent him an email soliciting some work or exploring a work
opportunity, but | believe that he didn't even reply.

Q__ Have you ever done work for Nigel Farage?

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MR. NIX: Were they ever published? I'm not sure if these were ever
published, sir.

MR. SCHIFF: Well, are you referring to which particular emails then?
Because, obviously, there were lots of Democratic Party and Podesta emails that
were published by WikiLeaks, DCLeaks, and Guccifer 2._ Which emails were you
referring to?

MR. NIX: Well, again, I'd have to check the timing on this, but | believe
there were some emails that were published initially. And this correspondence
refers to a second batch of emails that WikiLeaks alleged to have obtained and
said they were going to publish, but | don't know and certainly can't confirm now
whether they were actually published. | think they weren't. And so we don't
know if they ever did have them at all.

MR. SCHIFF: And which specific emails are you referring to, because it's
not clear from your own email that you had a particular set of Clinton emails in
mind?

MR. NIX: | think, at the time that this was unfolding, there was very little
understanding about what information WikiLeaks had or did not have and what
information they intended to publish.

The entire genesis of this idea was spawned from reading a newspaper
article that suggested that WikiLeaks had received this information and they were
going to publish it. And | deemed it in the public interest to try and expedite that
process.

MR. SCHIFF: We'll continue after the majority. Thank you.

HSV". Nix, thanks very much. Again, 'm JJ for the

majority here. | appreciate your cooperation and voluntariness to appear for this

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No, never.

Have you ever met George Papadopoulos?
No, never.

Carter Page?

Never. Never met them, don't know them.
Walid Phares?

Never heard that name, don't know them.
Dmitry Peskov?

Don't know that name, never met them.

Igor Sechin?

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Likewise, don't know them, never met them.

HS believe that wraps up our questions. | appreciate your
patience today and this evening. On behalf of Congressman Schiff and the other
Democratic members of the committee, | really do appreciate you doing this by
VTC. Notideal. But thank you very much for your time.

HT hanks very much, Mr. Nix. We greatly appreciate it.

MR. NIX: Thank you, ma‘am.

Thank you, sir.

MR. MUYSKENS: If | could add one thing before we are done, if you don't
mind, before we go off the record?

HE Certainly.

MR. MUYSKENS: | Thank you.

The first thing is we, Cambridge Analytica, has been very cooperative
throughout this entire matter. When asked to voluntarily provide documents, we

did so. We didn't hem and haw about scope or anything like that, but we provided

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MR. QUIGLEY: No other visits outside the United States with Mr. --

MR. NIX: No, | believe that -- | believe | wouldn't -- he never came to
England, and that would have been the only other place. So the answer is only in
the United States.

MR. QUIGLEY: So, other than that, you would have had email
communication with him?

MR. NIX: That is correct.

MR. QUIGLEY: And just for the record, would that have been part of the
materials you provided in your production, those emails?

MR. NIX: If there were emails between myself and Steve Bannon, then
you would have received them.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did you have any other forms of communicating with him
on social media?

MR. NIX: Steve Bannon's preferred method of communication is by
phone.

MR. QUIGLEY: So you're saying there would be no Twitter, no other forms
of social media between the two of you?

MR. NIX: [don't use Twitter, sir, and | don't really engage with social
media, such as Facebook and things like that. | don't have an account.

MR. QUIGLEY: Rick Gates.

MR. NIX: | met Rick Gates once, and that was on the same day that | met
Paul Manafort, at the same meeting. | met with them both for about 40 minutes.
It was the only time that I've ever met Paul Manafort or Rick Gates, and that
conversation was entirely about us trying to work for the Trump campaign,

obviously, Cambridge Analytica.

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A __ |don't understand the question. Do you think you might be able to
rephrase that, please?

Q__ Do you have a sense for the level of independence or autonomy in
your operations during the campaign for the Trump campaign?

MR. MUYSKENS: | think we're having trouble with what you mean by
“level of autonomy’ in this context. It's not making sense. Sorry. We're not
trying to be difficult.

oY

Q_ Who was the head of the Cambridge Analytica team that worked on
the Trump campaign side of the house? Because it sounds like you were
firewalled off on the PAC.

A Thatis correct. So, as | mentioned to your colleague earlier, the
senior staff members representing Cambridge Analytica's involvement with the
campaign were Matt Oczkowski and Molly Schweickert.

Q___| wonder if they might be the individuals that would be more helpful to
our questions, actually.

A __ \can't speculate on that, because | don't know what questions you
intend to ask.

Q_ They're campaign-related questions, not PAC-related.

A Well, if they're to do with the specific day-to-day activities of the
campaign, then it's very unlikely that | will be able to answer them, as | was neither
based in the campaign's offices in San Antonio nor in New York, and nor did I
have access to or information of the daily activities of the campaign.

Q_ That's helpful. We may save some of those questions for those

individuals.

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before, ever.

Q__ How is the PAC that you were involved with -- how is the PAC's digital
strategy distinct from the campaign's?

A Well, the PAC had a slightly different emphasis. As is implied by its
pseudo title, "Defeat Crooked Hillary," the purpose of the PAC was to bring to
attention some of the perceived failings of the candidate, as opposed to to amplify
some of the strengths of President Trump.

Q___ Did you or anyone that you're aware of in the PAC ever share or
target, release information that you knew to be false?

A No, we did not.

Q__ Did you share your targeting or microtargeting details with the Trump
campaign?

A Of course we didn't.

Q__ Did you share it with anyone outside the PAC?

A No.

Q_ Was Mr. Bannon ever affiliated with the PAC?

A _ No, he was not.

Q_ And where did the PAC obtain its data? Was it the same data the
campaign was using, just with different analytics?

A __ It would have been possibly based on similar datasets, but different
datasets.

Q_ But the actual data came from where?

A Well, it came from a large number of different sources. So, for
instance, for the campaign, as | mentioned, we were undertaking tens of

thousands or even hundreds of thousands of quantitative surveys every month,

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HS haven't spoken with you, and I'm not aware of my

colleagues in the minority that have spoken with you. So I'm curious to know how
we even arranged to be here today.

MR. MUYSKENS: | would imagine it was through [EE ! would
assume. | think he's the only one that ever contacted me about this, but, again,
I'm not the witness.

HS s that right,

H,—Ye2h, we're not here to ask me questions or him. If you

have questions for the witness, we're fine to stay. Otherwise, we can --

HS» asking you if you are the one who arranged the

interview.

«| 0 a witness to your inquiry. Ask the witness

questions, or we can conclude the interview.

HEE, So you don't know the answer to that?

He you done with your inquiry of the witness?

HERES" trying to establish when the witness received the letter
since the minority hasn't been a part of the process.

HM, hen ask the witness when he received the letter, and
produce a copy of that letter to the witness so he can look at it and we can be

professional and continue this inquiry.
H,S(Vc sent the witness a letter on July 10, 2017.

Hs he seen it?

MR. MUYSKENS: Where is it addressed? Is it to me at Greenberg
Traurig, or who is it addressed to?

HS 's actually addressed to Cambridge Analytica, to your

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Q _ Isit possible you have a calendar or a schedule that might reflect the
time of that meeting?

A Yes, it's possible.

Q_ Would you mind giving the -- providing the committee with a copy of
that?

A What was the date of that meeting?

MR. MUYSKENS: We will talk about it after, and we'll provide you what we
can.

a

Q__ The reason | ask is there was a meeting later that afternoon that has
become fairly well known involving Mr. Kushner with a Russian Government
lawyer. And I'm curious to know if Mr. Kushner mentioned that he had a meeting
in which he might obtain dirt on Hillary Clinton?

A Could you repeat to me, please, the date of the meeting that you
indicated?

Q_ June 9, 2016.

A Oh. Thank you.

Q_ Mr. Nix, over the course of the U.S. presidential election last year, a
number of individuals reportedly sought to find and authenticate 30,000 to 33,000
emails that were allegedly deleted by Hillary Clinton. One gentleman, named
Peter Smith, apparently spearheaded one of the operations. Did you ever interact
with a gentleman named Peter Smith?

A No, | did not, as | mentioned earlier to your colleague.

Q__ Did you meet anyone who expressed interest in finding Hillary

Clinton's missing 33,000 emails?

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couple comments.

You have been extremely cooperative. And | think | mentioned earlier, |
did have a conversation with you early on and appreciated you encouraging us to
go to SLAC and receive the supplemental production. And they were also very
cooperative.

And if any of the minority members or we in any way insinuated that there
was an issue with you and scheduling, that was not our intent at all. Our
colleagues in the majority have not included us in the process of scheduling the
interviews, so we were unaware of how this came to be. And that has not a thing
to do with you gentlemen.

! am unclear about the one matter you raised regarding someone
contacting Cambridge Analytica and not going through counsel. We certainly did
not do that and would not do that, especially in light of knowing yourself and that
Cambridge is duly represented.

MR. MUYSKENS: Well, the request for -- and one reason, | mean, this
took a little while to schedule is, | guess, this letter that asked for Mr. Nix to appear .
went to Cambridge Analytica. It did not go to me or Greenberg Traurig.

And, you know, if I'm assured that, going forward, you will reach out to
counsel first, | have no problem with it. If you are going to continue to reach out

to my clients and go around me, | will have a big problem with it.

Hat makes sense.

MR. MUYSKENS: |s that fair?

Hair enough.

We are adjourned.

HR Thank you, gentlemen.

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MR. NIX: I've never met her.

MR. QUIGLEY: Rinat Akhmetshin?

MR. NIX: I've never met that person nor heard that name.

MR. QUIGLEY: Okay. Ike Kaveladze?

MR. NIX: I've never met that person nor heard that name.

MR. QUIGLEY: And Donald Trump Jr.?

MR. NIX: | have heard that name, but I've never been introduced nor met
Donald Trump Jr.

MR. QUIGLEY: Have you ever had communication with Donald Trump
Jr.?

MR. NIX: No, I've never had communication with him.

MR. QUIGLEY: Let's shift over to the issue of WikiLeaks. Have you ever
spoken with Julian Assange?

MR. NIX: No, I've never spoken to Julian Assange.

MR. QUIGLEY: Have you ever communicated with Julian Assange, by
phone, by any sort of email or social media of any sort?

MR. NIX: I've never communicated with Julian Assange.

MR. QUIGLEY: Or have you communicated by any means with any
member of WikiLeaks?

MR. NIX: No, I've never communicated with any member of WikiLeaks.

MR. QUIGLEY: Did you ever reach out to WikiLeaks or anyone associated
or working for WikiLeaks to obtain information about this campaign or about Hillary
Clinton?

MR. NIX: Yes, !did. | asked my office to contact WikiLeaks, and they

connected with a speaking agency. That is a public speaking agency that

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