From: Hirsch, Bruce R [mailto:Bruce.R.Hirsch@bge.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:08 PM

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### I agree with Bob's comment. An expense is an expense. We, the customers, end up paying for all of it.

Bruce

From : Bob Smith [ mailto:bsmith@federalpacific.com ]

Sent : Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:32 AM

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### Robert:

I am confused, in our analysis what possible difference does it make who shares the cost?

Thank you,

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From: Robert Berman [ mailto:bermaneconomics@gmail.com ]

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:22 AM

To: Jerry Hodge

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### We also need to take into account th at joint users also share the cost.



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On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Jerry Hodge wrote:

Ken:

Does your pole change out estimate include the costs incurred by the other joint users of the pole such as the telephone or TV cable companies for transferring their equipmen t from the old to the new pole? Sometimes too, the pol e is owned by one of the other joint users and you may have to wait until they can begin their work before the po wer co. can act. Time is an important issue. All of this can add to the cost of change out.

Jerry

Jerry Hodge

### Consulting Engineer, E.E., M.S., P.E. Retired V.P. & G.M. of Pole Type Transformer & Regulator Div.

Howard Industries Inc.

P.O.Box 1588 Laurel, Ms, 39440

601 422-1539 Bus.

484 226-6190 Cell

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From: Kenneth Winder [ mailto:kwinder@mleainc.com ] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:37 PM

To: Richard Parker

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### Raymond.Polinski@atimetals.com ; rgreeson@federalpacific.com ; richardparkerdc@gmail.com ; rick.anderson@faypwc.com ; robert.saint@nreca.coop ; robert.vanbuskirk@ee.doe.gov ; rroy@nrdc.org ; ScottB@lvmetals.com ; snadel@aceee.org ; srosenstock@eei.org ; tballo@earthjustice.org ; Teckman@nwcouncil.org ; thomas.patzner@us.schneider-electric.com ; vijay.tendulkar@onyxpower.com ; zhimei.luo@navigant.com ; Chris Boulduc; Ken Winder Subject: Replacement Cost for Transformer Pole

Richard and Committee: Attached is a spreadsheet show ing the cost to replace an existing pole in a three-phase distribution circ uit with an existing single-phase

distribution transformer mounted on it. This information was developed to estimate the cost to replace an existing pole with a new, higher strength pole required because of the increased weight of the

distribution transformer. This estima te represents the cost to do this for my Cooperative.

Other Utilities will be furnishi ng this information for their systems. Kenneth A. Winder, PE

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