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 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY

 MOTORS TEST PROCEDURES NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING

 PUBLIC MEETING

 Department of Energy

 1000 Independence Avenue SW

 Forrestal Building

 Suite 8E-089

 Washington, D.C. 20585

 Tuesday, July 16, 2013

 9:03 a.m.

Reported by: Natalia Thomas, RPR/CSR,

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S

2 Moderator:

3 Doug Brookman, Public Solutions

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5 Present:

6 Lucas Adin, U.S. Department of Energy

7 Emmanuel Agamloh, Advanced Energy

8 Kirk Anderson, UL LLC

9 Ashley Armstrong, U.S. Department of Energy

10 Dale Basso, WEG Electric Corp.

11 Alex Boesenberg, National Electrical Manufacturers

12 Association

13 Rob Boteler, NIDEC Motor Corporation

14 Rick Budzynski, Baldor Electric Company

15 Kitt Butler, Advanced Energy

16 Jeff Casey, Brook Crompton ? Americas

17 Brian Coffey, Navigant Consulting, Inc.

18 Pamela Costello, Navigant Consulting, Inc.

19 Roger Daugherty, Baldor Electric Company

20 Daniel Delaney, Regal Beloit

21 Andrew deLaski, Appliance Standards Awareness Project

22 Gary Fernstrom, California Investor-Owned Utilities
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S (cont'd)

2 William Finley, Siemens

3 Ami Grace-Tardy, U.S. Department of Energy

4 Jack Graul, U.S. Department of Energy

5 Armin Hauer, ebm-papst

6 William Hoyt, National Electrical Manufacturers

7 Association

8 Sanaee Iyama, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

9 Michael Kido, U.S. Department of Energy

10 Frank Ladonne, UL LLC

11 Paul Lin, Regal Beloit

12 John Malinowski, Baldor Electric Company

13 Douglas Rawald, U.S. Department of Energy

14 Tim Schumann, SEW-Eurodrive

15 Stephen Tabor, Bluffton Motor Works

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S (cont'd)

2 Attending via webinar:

3 Al Padilla, UL LLC

4 Austin Bonnett, Austin Bonnett Engineering, LLC

5 Derek Greenauer, UL LLC

6 Howard Jordan, Consultant

7 Jim Raba, U.S. Department of Energy

8 Linda Wilson, New York Attorney General's Office

9 Michael Woodford, Air-Conditioning, Heating, and

10 Refrigeration Institute

11 Michael Bruin, General Electric

12 Robert Hart, Consortium for Energy Efficiency

13 Steve Ruffing, Nidec Motor Corporation

14 Timothy Ballo, Earthjustice

15 Vijeta Jangra, Navigant Consulting, Inc.

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1 A G E N D A

2 9:00 - 9:25 am Welcome, Introductions, Opening

3 Statements, Overview, Statute,

4 Context

5 9:25 - 9:45 am History of Rulemaking

6 9:45 - 12:45 pm New Motors Definitions and Testing

7 Instructions

8 12:45 - 1:00 pm Closing Remarks and Adjourn

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Let's get started. So please

3 take your seats. Good morning, everyone. Welcome.

4 This is the U.S. Department of Energy's Motors Test

5 Procedures Notice of Proposed Rulemaking Public

6 Meeting. Today is Tuesday, July 16, 2013, here at the

7 Forrestal Building in Washington, D.C. And my name's

8 Doug Brookman from Public Solutions in Baltimore. Nice

9 to see you this morning. Glad you could join us.

10 We're going to start off this morning with

11 welcoming remarks from Ashley Armstrong.

12 MS. ARMSTRONG: Hi, everyone. Just want to

13 welcome everyone. Thank you for coming to our public

14 meeting. As you know, the point of the public meeting

15 is to gather as much of feedback as possible from you

16 on our proposal, so we encourage you to engage often,

17 and we appreciate everyone's participation.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. We start with

19 introductions, typically, and I'm going to start to my

20 immediate left. And you can get used to turning these

21 microphones on and off. You'll see the little green

22 button illuminated. You've got to get it close to your
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1 face. And if you'd say your name and organizational

2 affiliation.

3 MR. CASEY: Yes, I'm Jeff Casey with Brook

4 Crompton - Americas.

5 MR. HOYT: Bill Hoyt with National Electrical

6 Manufacturers Association, or NEMA.

7 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney with Regal Beloit.

8 MR. FERNSTROM: I'm Gary Fernstrom, retired

9 from the Pacific Gas and Electric Company, but as a

10 consultant representing the California Investor-Owned

11 Utilities, which would be PG&E, the Southern California

12 Edison Company, San Diego Gas & Electric, and the

13 Southern California Gas Company.

14 MR. SCHUMANN: I'm Tim Schumann with SEW -

15 Eurodrive.

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: Hi, Roger Daugherty with

17 Baldor Electric Company, a member of the ABB Group.

18 I'm also the Chairman of the NEMA Technical Committee

19 for Motors and Generators.

20 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor

21 Electric Company, and also ABB Incorporated. I'm also

22 a Chairman of the NEMA Motor and Generator Section.
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1 MR. BOTELER: Rob Boteler, Nidec Motor

2 Corporation, St. Louis, and I'm Chairman of the Energy

3 Management Committee for NEMA.

4 MR. FINLEY: Okay. Bill Finley with Siemens

5 Industry, and I'm the Chairman of the International

6 Standards TAG Committee.

7 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh from Advanced

8 Energy.

9 MR. HAUER: Armin Hauer of ebm-papst.

10 MR. LADONNE: Frank Ladonne, Underwriters

11 Laboratories, now UL LLC.

12 MR. TABOR: Steven Tabor, Bluffton Motor

13 Works.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Did you say Sam? Say your

15 name again?

16 MR. TABOR: Steven.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

18 MR. ADIN: Lucas Adin, DOE's Appliance and

19 Equipment Standards Program.

20 MS. GRACE-TARDY: Ami Grace-Tardy, Department

21 of Energy General Counsel's Office.

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Ashley Armstrong, DOE.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Why don't you just stand over

2 here? Stand up.

3 MR. RAWALD: I'm Doug Rawald for the

4 Department of Energy's Office of Enforcement.

5 MS. COSTELLO: I'm Pamela Costello from

6 Navigant.

7 MS. IYAMA: Sanaee Iyama, the Lawrence

8 Berkeley National Lab.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Please.

10 MR. ANDERSON: Kirk Anderson, Underwriters

11 Laboratory.

12 MR. BUDZYNSKI: Rick Budzynski, Baldor

13 Electric.

14 MR. BASSO: Dale Basso, WEG Electric.

15 MR. BOESENBERG: Alex Boesenberg, NEMA.

16 MR. BUTLER: Kitt Butler, Advanced Energy.

17 MR. LIN: Paul Lin from Regal-Beloit.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Again, so thank you --

19 all of you for being here. Welcome. Jack, we have

20 individuals that have joined us online. Can you tell

21 us who has joined us via the Web?

22 MR. GRAUL: We've got Al Padilla, Austin
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1 Bonnett, Derek Greenauer, Howard Jordan, Linda Wilson,

2 Michael Bruin, Michael Woodford, Robert Hart, Steve

3 Ruffing, and Timothy Ballo.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. So I'm just going

5 to -- all of you received a packet of information when

6 you registered this morning. The agenda for today's

7 meeting is as follows. Immediately following this

8 brief agenda review, we're going to have some overview

9 slides and comments from Ashley, and then anyone that

10 wishes to do so can make a brief summary statement

11 about issues that matter to you, issues that are

12 important to you.

13 From there, we'll have a description of the

14 history of rulemaking and then new motors definitions

15 and testing instructions. At the close of the day

16 today, which we anticipate will be perhaps, as

17 reflected in the agenda, 12:45 or 1:00 or perhaps even

18 earlier, another opportunity for anybody that wants to

19 to make additional comments to make sure everything you

20 need to say gets said during the course of this meeting

21 today.

22 I'd ask for your consideration. Many of you
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1 have been here before. Please speak one at a time. If

2 you'd say your name each time you speak for the record,

3 there will be a complete transcript of this meeting

4 made available to you. Please say your name each time

5 you speak.

6 Be concise, share the air time. If you'd

7 keep the focus here, turn your cell phones on silent

8 mode, and limit sidebar conversations. You've already

9 gotten in the habit of turning these microphones on and

10 off. That's very helpful. We need to have the

11 microphones on to hear your voice.

12 And webinar participants, if you would mute

13 your phones and raise your hand to join the meeting,

14 then -- it has worked in the past. Hopefully, it'll

15 work today. If you speak clearly, then we'll probably

16 be able to hear you in the room, and the Department of

17 Energy is trying hard to make sure these meetings are

18 accessible to everyone.

19 So I think that's the preliminary stuff.

20 Then to Ashley Armstrong.

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: Sure. So everyone

22 received an agenda. We expect this public meeting to
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1 go fairly quickly. We are going to present our

2 proposal as it relates to what you've seen in the

3 Federal Register Notice. It includes a variety of some

4 definitions that we propose as well as additional

5 testing instructions or test setup to incorporate for

6 certain types of motors in addition to the test

7 procedures that are already in the CFR.

8 So Doug just hit this. We have people

9 listening via webcast. If you want to speak, please

10 raise your hand, and Jack will coordinate with us.

11 Otherwise, you can type in a question, and he can also

12 relay that to us.

13 So as we already said, the purpose of the

14 public meeting is to present our proposals, and,

15 really, we're trying to get feedback from you guys.

16 Our final rule and our proposals are only as good as

17 the feedback we receive. So we encourage you to engage

18 and explain all your reasons why you may have different

19 comments on the subject so we can thoroughly consider

20 those for the final rule.

21 Throughout the presentation, you'll see

22 issues boxes in yellow. These are issues that the
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1 Department has specifically identified that we seek

2 comment on, so we'd particularly like your feedback on

3 those, although your feedback's not limited to those,

4 so feel free to speak up at any point in time. Just at

5 the outset, the deadline for submitting comments is

6 September 9th. Doug, I'll turn it over to you.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. As we said

8 here, now is an opportunity for anyone that wants to to

9 make an opening statement, brief summary remarks about

10 issues that matter to you. None at this time? Okay.

11 So now back to Ashley.

12 For those of you that are new to these

13 proceedings, this packet of information and these

14 PowerPoint slides will be -- kind of dictate the flow

15 of discussion. That's where we hope you'll insert your

16 comments. It's easier for the Department to follow

17 your comments that way. Okay. Back to Ashley.

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: So this is just a history of

19 the rulemaking. You know, back in May of 2012, we

20 published a final rule updating test procedure for

21 small electric motors. It did a variety of different

22 things. We've initiated a rulemaking for motors by
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1 publishing a framework document as well as a request

2 for information, and now we're at the proposed rule

3 stage for the test procedure part of it.

4 So as you can see on the slide, we expect --

5 our scheduled projected final rule publication is at

6 the end of the year, assuming everything goes according

7 to schedule. As we know, it typically does here at the

8 Department. We welcome you guys to submit comments

9 during the comment period as well as here.

10 I'll turn it over to Pam.

11 MS. COSTELLO: Good morning. As I said

12 earlier, I'm Pam Costello with Navigant Consulting, and

13 I'm going to be taking you through the first part of

14 this presentation, and then my colleague Brian Coffey

15 will take over.

16 So now that Ashley's told you a little bit of

17 the background of the rule, we're going to go into a

18 little bit of the test procedure applicability and what

19 types of motors this -- we're proposing this test

20 procedure applies to.

21 So DOE's proposed test procedure is

22 applicable to all motors that meet the following
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1 characteristics:

2 single-speed induction motors that are rated

3 for continuous duty by MG1 or for duty type S1 by IEC;

4 contain a squirrel cage or cage rotor; operate on

5 polyphase alternating current, 60 hertz sinusoidal line

6 power; are rated 600 volts or less; have a 2, 4, 6, or

7 8- pole configuration; have a 3-digit NEMA frame size

8 or IEC metric equivalent or an enclosed 56 NEMA frame

9 size or IEC metric equivalent; are rated no more than

10 500 horsepower, but greater than or equal to 1

11 horsepower or the kilowatt equivalence; and meet all of

12 the performance requirements of one of the following

13 motor types: NEMA Design A, B, or C motor, or IEC

14 Design N or H motor.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger.

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I don't

17 find anything in the proposed language and changes to

18 Subpart B that incorporate this information that says

19 that these test standards are applicable to these

20 particular characteristics of a motor. Could you

21 explain why they're not there?

22 MS. COSTELLO: You mean the specific language
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1 for these to say that -- or do you just mean the

2 validation for why it's these motors?

3 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I was

4 looking for the specific language, and I think I'll get

5 into this more when we move into the definitions to

6 give some example of why this is important.

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I guess I'm going to turn

8 around the question to you to before I answer it. Do

9 you feel that there needs to be? I mean, I think the

10 Department's proposal tried to lay out definitions of

11 different types of motors, which tried to explain the

12 scope of coverage that was the applicability of our

13 regulations. And then we further explained in the

14 preamble this list of items. So do you think

15 additional clarification is warranted, I guess?

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. If you'd

17 grant me the time at this point, then I can go through

18 the reasoning as why I feel this is very, very

19 important. Definitions need to be very clear, we found

20 out over the years, so that they can be properly

21 interpreted.

22 When EPAct was passed in 1992, it provided a
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1 definition of electric motor which encompassed many of

2 these characteristics that are on the screen that we're

3 talking about. So that helped to identify exactly what

4 an electric motor was, what the test procedures were

5 that applied to that particular type of motors so that

6 we could do certification.

7 However, there was still some confusion

8 because EPAct had also defined special purpose and

9 definite purpose motors. So the Department came out

10 and published in 1997 a policy statement for the

11 interpretation of the general purpose, the definite

12 purpose, and special purpose motors, and that went a

13 long ways to help clear up that everything we needed to

14 know was in the definitions.

15 Then in 1999, the Department published the

16 final rule, which, when it adopted the EPAct definition

17 of electric motor, it modified that definition

18 slightly, but to encompass IEC motors, to cover an

19 issue about voltage, et cetera so that in the end, by

20 1999, we had a definition of electric motor which tried

21 to clearly define the motor types to which the test

22 procedures applied.
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1 In -- when EISA came along in 2007, Congress

2 replaced that definition of electric motor as a covered

3 type with a definition of a general purpose electric

4 motor of Subtype I and a general purpose electric motor

5 of Subtype II. Included in those definitions once

6 again was all the required characteristics of the motor

7 so that one could make a determination as to whether or

8 not a particular type of motor fell into either a

9 Subtype I, Subtype II, or we -- up until slightly after

10 that date, we still had the policy statement that

11 helped to explain definite purpose and special purpose.

12 Then when DOE adopted EISA into Subpart B, it

13 ended up removing the policy statement, so we have no

14 guidance of what a definite purpose and special purpose

15 motor is any longer from the Department. However, we

16 still had an actual expanded definition that the

17 Department did for the Subtype I and Subtype II motors,

18 to which the test procedures applied in the standards.

19 So at the present time, the item which

20 identifies the motors that are considered covered

21 products are the definitions, and then the test

22 procedures apply to those motors covered by the
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1 definitions. In this proposal that we have before us

2 today, what I see in that proposal is I don't find

3 definitions that are in the light of the present

4 definitions and the past definitions, and I think this

5 is going to cause a lot of confusion.

6 So, for example, we have the very simple one

7 to look at, is the totally enclosed non-vent, the TENV

8 motor. In the proposed definition, the only

9 characteristic of that motor is that it is enclosed, it

10 is cooled by free convection, and that it be a device

11 which transforms electric power into rotating power,

12 period. That's it.

13 Then it is very interesting that the

14 Department has made a very important change to sub --

15 to Appendix B, to Subpart B, which is on the last page

16 of the Federal Register Notice, by having made a

17 decision that if this comes about, then this test

18 procedure that's in Appendix B is applicable to all

19 special and definite purpose motor types for which

20 definitions had been established and that if any

21 manufacturer wishes to mark any of those motor types

22 with an efficiency value, he must follow the test
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1 procedures in that Appendix B.

2 The problem there is that a TENV motor can be

3 a polyphase motor, it can be a DC motor, it can be an

4 inverter-controlled motor, it can be multiphased motor,

5 it can be in various applications and various uses. It

6 can have various performance characteristics, none of

7 which are necessarily the NEMA Design A, B, C or the

8 IEC N or H.

9 But what this proposal tells me is that

10 because you defined the TENV motor, then that single11 phase motor has to be tested according to a polyphase

12 test standard. That DC motor has to be tested to a

13 polyphase test standard, et cetera.

14 Another example is the submersible motor.

15 Now, the information indicates that the intent is not

16 to include standards for submersible motors, yet it's

17 the Department's intent, through this significant

18 change to the test procedures, that if a submersible

19 motor is to be marked with an efficiency level, it must

20 be tested according to these procedures. Yet you go

21 through a big discussion that it's -- no one knows how

22 to test a motor according to these -- a submersible
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1 motor according to these test procedures.

2 So in the end, my point is it is very

3 important that each definition that we look at be clear

4 and complete in the motor that it is to describe and

5 that it is to fall within this test procedure. Now,

6 one proposal for that -- I was thinking about this last

7 night -- is that when you adopted the EISA definitions,

8 prior to that, you had defined a motor to be a piece of

9 equipment which transformed electrical power into

10 rotating power. Then the electric motor, with all these

11 type of characteristics, and now Subtype I or Subtype

12 II, were defined off of that base.

13 When you made the changes for EISA, you

14 replaced the definition of motor and used that

15 definition as electric motor, and that's where the

16 problem comes into place. The proposal is that if you

17 go back and restore the original definition of motor as

18 to what it was, and then you define electric motor to

19 be a motor which has these characteristics that you've

20 listed on the screen, then from this definition of

21 electric motor, you can define the Subtype I and the

22 Subtype II as being one of these electric motors, with
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1 certain other characteristics being the NEMA frame or

2 the IEC frame size or different flanges and different

3 shafts and things like that for the Subtype II.

4 That also allows the definition of TENV motor

5 to be an electric motor, which is one with these

6 characteristics, that also have the design

7 characteristic of being cooled by free convection. So

8 there is a way to get this, but the point is that I, as

9 the manufacturer, need to be very clear on what each of

10 these definitions totally mean, not partially mean. I

11 need a total definition.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: So, Roger, in these comments,

13 are you speaking on behalf of NEMA, or are you speaking

14 for yourself?

15 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I'd say

16 those will be on behalf of NEMA, and then NEMA will

17 submit that in their comments.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: That's what I wanted to get,

19 because that -- laying out that hierarchy the way you

20 did, that stream, that that would be very, very useful

21 in your written comments. And, also, we'd like to get

22 as much of that on the record today as we can. Okay?
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1 So thanks for that clarification at the

2 outset.

3 Now, and do we have others before I return to

4 the presentation materials? We'll return --

5 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah.

7 MR. MALINOWSKI: When we're looking at this

8 three-digit NEMA frame size or IEC metric equivalent,

9 we presently have that in EPAct and EISA, and we find

10 that that excludes several IEC frames. I believe it

11 would be the Department's wish to include the 100 frame

12 and those larger frames that we identified that was on

13 the chart yesterday that you saw.

14 There's not an equivalent NEMA frame to

15 those, but yet they should be within the scope of

16 coverage of this testing NOPR. And then I think Roger

17 will probably get into it later when we talk about NEMA

18 Design A, B, and C versus IEC Design N and H. The IEC

19 designs are not necessarily equivalent to the NEMA

20 designs. They're similar, but some of the current

21 regulations are not exactly the same.

22 For example, Design N for IEC could be
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1 equivalent to a NEMA Design A, or it could be

2 equivalent to a Design B, depending where the inrush

3 current would be. So they're not exactly equivalent,

4 and we need to be careful of that when we refer to IEC

5 designs.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: So just to clarify, as we go

7 through the individual definitions, that would be the

8 place to offer a more complete comment, correct, John?

9 MR. MALINOWSKI: Exactly.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: And also -- Roger, you want to

11 follow on?

12 MR. DAUGHERTY: Yeah. This is Roger

13 Daugherty. With respect to what John was just saying, I

14 guess the one would be, at this point -- because what

15 he was talking about doesn't appear in any of the

16 proposed definitions.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

18 MR. DAUGHERTY: And that is this IEC

19 equivalent idea and this 56 NEMA frame size. As far as

20 the IEC equivalent goes, NEMA has three, A, B, and C.

21 IEC has only two, N and H. The IEC H is only

22 applicable to 60 hertz and was actually derived from
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1 the NEMA Design C. So that one is directly equivalent.

2 With regards to the Design N of IEC, there are, in a

3 lower horsepower ratings, from 1 horsepower to maybe

4 around 30 horsepower, the locked-rotor current levels

5 are the same for the IEC Design N as they are for the

6 NEMA Design B.

7 For the higher ratings, the locked-rotor

8 current limits of Design N are higher than they are for

9 Design B. Consequently, there can be IEC Design N

10 motors that are equivalent to NEMA Design B. However,

11 in the same rating and using the DOE notation that

12 rating is an enclosure, a pole number, and a horsepower

13 or kilowatt value, that an IEC Design N could be

14 equivalent to a NEMA Design A.

15 So looking at something that is labeled IEC

16 Design N, it may not be clear to the -- those

17 unfamiliar with other markings that that is actually

18 equivalent to NEMA Design A, rather than a NEMA Design

19 B. So you should take that into consideration in

20 writing a standard section that you say is a parallel

21 action going on with respect to this test standard and

22 recognize that, at least at the present time, whether
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1 or not there will be different efficiency levels that

2 are being looked at for A versus B, and then you'd have

3 to split it in N.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Now let's

5 go back to Pamela.

6 MR. DELANEY: I'm sorry. One more point on

7 this, if you can go back one more slide. I thought

8 Roger was going to cover this on the 56 --

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Dan; right?

10 MR. DELANEY: Sorry. Dan Delaney, Regal

11 Beloit. So you add this section on enclosed 56 NEMA

12 frame size. Of course, this is covering the small motor

13 section that has a 56 open. We do introduce 8-pole

14 here, so that would allow open 56 frame, open, not

15 covered, as well as anything about 3-horsepower would

16 also not be covered as a 56 frame open. So just wanted

17 to point that out, that that would be a gap in that.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Are you saying that's

19 something NEMA does, or is that --

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: Something with definition

21 limit.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.
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1 MR. DELANEY: Yeah.

2 MS. ARMSTRONG: It's not listed.

3 MR. DELANEY: Yeah, it's not listed. It

4 would be an area that would be a non-covered product, I

5 guess, we're assuming. Again, back to the definitions

6 of getting clarity and making sure that you have

7 overlap between the two.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, good. Thank you. Now,

9 Pamela.

10 MS. COSTELLO: So moving on, in this

11 rulemaking, DOE is proposing definitions to clarify the

12 applicability of the existing test procedure to a

13 variety of covered motor types. However, DOE is also

14 proposing definitions to clarify the motor types that

15 DOE has tentatively decided not to consider adding

16 proposals for testing. And we'll go over those in the

17 next few slides, but just to summarize, those motors

18 include an air-over-electric motor, a component set, a

19 liquid-cooled electric motor, submersible electric

20 motors, and definite purpose, inverter-fed electric

21 motors.

22 So moving on to the first of these motors,
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1 while most motors, when manufactured, have a fan

2 attached to them as a means of providing cooling

3 airflow across the surface of the motor frame, an air4 over-electric motor has no fan attached, and these

5 motors rely on an external means of cooling.

6 So based on these conditions, DOE's proposing

7 to adopt the following definition. An air-over8 electric motor means a motor designed to be cooled by a

9 ventilating means external to, and not supplied with,

10 the motor.

11 At this time, DOE requests comment on its

12 proposed definition for air-over-electric motor and the

13 decision to include both open and and enclosed motors

14 under the same definition.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I think

17 I'll say that -- say this just on this definition, but

18 it applies to, again, all the definitions, but just to

19 be clear, that this definition identifies only one of

20 the characteristics of the air-over-motor for which

21 either it will be exempted or standards adopted,

22 whichever is the case.
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1 So to go back in my previous comments, it's

2 important that this definition be a total definition.

3 It must incorporate the performance characteristics and

4 any other constructional characteristics out of the --

5 and, again, if electric motor is redefined in

6 accordance with the proposal of those nine

7 characteristics, that'll take care of this.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Other

9 comments on this definition, noting that NEMA and

10 others will supply copious written comment; right?

11 Right. Okay. Pamela.

12 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So electric motors have

13 several primary components that include a rotor,

14 stator, stator winding, stator frame, two endshields,

15 two bearings, and a shaft. A combination of these that

16 does not form what DOE is considering an operable motor

17 can be called a component set.

18 So based on that, DOE is proposing to adopt

19 the following definition. A component set means a

20 combination of motor parts that require the addition of

21 more than two endshields to create an operable motor.

22 These parts may consist of any combination of the
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1 stator frame, wound stator, rotor, shaft, or

2 endshields. For the purpose of this definition, the

3 term "operable motor" means an electric motor

4 engineered for performance in accordance with nameplate

5 ratings. And this definition, in part, is helping to

6 eliminate confusion between these motors and partial

7 motors, which we'll be discussing later today.

8 So at this time, DOE requests comments on

9 this proposed definition for a component set.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Steve Ruffing, who is joining

11 us via the Web, has requested to comment. So, Steve,

12 unmute your phone, and let's see if we can hear you.

13 Speak clearly and loudly.

14 MR. RUFFING: Thank you. Steve Ruffing,

15 Nidec Motor Corporation. So two comments. The first

16 is I wanted to emphasize that in these definitions, we

17 should be careful about using the words "motor" and

18 "electric motor" interchangeably. I noticed on the

19 previous slide, it said that air-over-electric motor

20 means a motor. Do we really mean electric motor there

21 instead of motor, or does it matter? Are those terms

22 interchangeable? I noticed in the NOPR, the majority
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1 of the definitions use the term "electric motor" there,

2 whereas liquid-cooled electric motor, the word "motor"

3 was used. So that was my first comment.

4 The second comment was in distinguishing

5 between a component set and a partial motor, if you add

6 more than two endshields, that's defined to be a

7 component set. My question is if you add two

8 endshields, along with their associated bearings, is

9 that considered a component set, or is that still a

10 partial motor?

11 MS. COSTELLO: So the definition for partial

12 motor would be, as you said, two endshields with their

13 bearings. That would still fall under partial motor

14 and not component set.

15 MR. RUFFING: Okay. Thank -- then that

16 should - - so then the definition for component set is

17 not complete, then. It says if you had more than two

18 endshields, it's a component set. So someone could

19 interpret that as two endshields plus a bearing being a

20 component set, whereas actually that's a partial motor,

21 so I think the definition should say maybe more than

22 two endshields, including bearings when required, or
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1 something of that nature.

2 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Yeah, that's very

3 helpful. Thank you.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Thanks, Steve.

5 Yes --

6 MR. RUFFING: Thank you.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: -- John?

8 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor

9 Electric. When we think of component sets and what we

10 sell from our company, most often, it is simply a

11 stator without a frame and a rotor with or without a

12 shaft. Usually in a component set, endplates, cooling

13 fans, bearings, et cetera, are not involved. That's

14 most often done by the OEM who's assembling the

15 component set into a motor.

16 I would agree with Steve that the business

17 about it being a complete motor, less endplates would

18 get it too close to what we would call the partial

19 motor. Normally, a partial motor would have one

20 endplate on it, but certainly it could have no

21 endplates on it. But this is kind of a tough one to

22 differentiate between the two. But certainly, it's --
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1 you know, the bare components, stator and rotor set, is

2 the basic things applied.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Yes?

4 Please say your name.

5 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso, WEG Electric.

6 Just a thought on the component set, and I think what

7 we're all trying to get to is the rotor/stator. If you

8 define it anything other than a rotor and stator

9 component set, I'm afraid you're going to get into

10 somebody determining what component is in addition to

11 the end brackets. You know, do they add a conduit box?

12 Do they add a seal?

13 So you're going to end up getting an awful

14 lot of interpretation, if it's not a harder definition,

15 and I wonder if what we're really trying to get to is

16 basically the rotor stator set.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Other

18 comments on this definition before we move on? Okay.

19 Pamela.

20 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Moving on, while most

21 motors are cooled by air, liquid-cooled motors rely on

22 a special cooling apparatus that pumps liquid into and
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1 around the motor housing. Requests were made earlier

2 for greater clarification between liquid-cooled,

3 immersible, and submersible motors. The latter of

4 these two are going to be defined later in this

5 presentation, but to start to help eliminate this

6 confusion, DOE is proposing to adopt the following

7 definition. Liquid-cooled electric motors means a

8 motor that is cooled by circulating liquid or liquid9 filled conductors coming in direct contact with the

10 machine parts.

11 So at this time, DOE seeks feedback on this

12 proposed definition for liquid-cooled electric motors.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

14 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty speaking on

15 behalf of NEMA. We welcome this definition, and we

16 welcome that you pretty much got it from the MG1

17 standard. We did comment on this previously in NEMA

18 comments on the previous proposal of this definition.

19 While you made this modification in alignment with what

20 NEMA had suggested, on second thought, it may still be

21 confusing to what is meant by liquid-filled conductor.

22 Now, we know that the intent there is --
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1 that's like a tube or something that channels the

2 liquid through the machine in some manner of fashion.

3 Many people, particularly since we're talking about

4 electric motors, may see conductor as being electrical

5 conductor material through which you're passing liquid.

6 Now, such machines do exist in the industry of passing

7 water, very pure water, through the electrical

8 conductor themselves, but that's very big equipment,

9 but it does exist.

10 So we're at a loss as to how to really take

11 care of this little phrase, but it would appear that if

12 you just dropped it, it would not remove anything of

13 importance from the definition, so you may just drop

14 the term liquid-filled conductor and just leave it as a

15 -- means a motor that is cooled by circulating liquid.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Other

17 comments here on this definition? Yes, please. Find a

18 microphone. Right there. Your name, please?

19 MR. COFFEY: Hi, this is Brian Coffey with

20 Navigant. Does -- with that definition, though, does

21 that run into any trouble with, say, submersible

22 motors?
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

2 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I don't

3 believe so necessarily because it does say that it's a

4 circulating liquid. Submersible motors, many times,

5 are just sitting in a volume of liquid, but that

6 liquid's not actually circulating through the motor

7 itself.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Final comments here?

9 MS. COSTELLO: So moving on to submersible

10 electric motors, while most motors are not defined for

11 operation under water, a submersible electric motor is

12 capable of complete submersion in liquid without motor

13 damage. Special seals prevent the inlet of liquid into

14 the enclosure. The electric motors also rely on

15 properties of the surrounding liquid to cool the motor

16 during continuous operation and therefore are only

17 capable of continuous operation while completely

18 submerged. Therefore, DOE is proposing to adopt the

19 following definition. Submersible electric motor means

20 an electric motor designed for continuous operation

21 only while submerged in liquid.

22 At this time, DOE requests comment on its
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1 proposed definition of submersible electric motor.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: No comments here. It's okay

3 to say it's a good definition. It's okay to -- no, I

4 really -- for the record, it's not a bad thing to say

5 this is sufficient or good. I'm not fooling.

6 MS. COSTELLO: And we'd also be interested, I

7 think, in knowing if this sufficiently eliminates the

8 confusion between submersible and liquid-cooled, which

9 was what Brian was touching on.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Rob?

11 MR. BOTELER: Rob Boteler with Nidec. We --

12 NEMA believes this is a sufficient definition.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. I hate to have to

14 pull for it. Okay. Thank you. And can you respond to

15 Pamela's question? Does it help to clarify

16 MS. COSTELLO: I think Roger did.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Did he? Okay.

18 MS. COSTELLO: Yeah, I think he

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

20 MS. COSTELLO: Okay.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah. Great. Thank you for

22 that. Okay.
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1 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So next we have

2 definite purpose, inverter-fed electric motors. Now,

3 in this rulemaking, DOE's considering both motors that

4 are engineered to work specifically with an inverter

5 and those that are capable of working with an inverter,

6 but are otherwise capable of normal operation. That

7 second group, we'll talk about later, but for the first

8 group, DOE's proposing to adopt the following

9 definition. Definite purpose, inverter-fed electric

10 motor means a motor that is designed for operation

11 solely with an inverter and is not intended for

12 operation when directly connected to polyphase

13 sinusoidal line power.

14 DOE requests comment on its proposed

15 definition for definite purpose, inverter-fed electric

16 motors.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?

18 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty, speaking on

19 behalf of NEMA again. In this particular case, you've

20 defined the basic concept of an electric motor

21 connected to an inverter, which could encompass single22 phase motors as well as polyphase motors. But then,
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1 further in the definition, you sort of say that this

2 definition only applies to polyphase-type motors.

3 In the context of having a very general

4 definition of inverter-fed electric motor, we think

5 polyphase should be removed from that definition.

6 However, this, once again, goes back to my previous

7 comments that if electric motor is then clarified with

8 those nine characteristics, then that would pull that

9 in here and properly identify what these polyphase test

10 standards and the type of motors that they're being

11 applied to are polyphase, so that would bring in the

12 polyphase reference, rather than having it here in the

13 definition.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional comments?

15 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So moving on to the

16 next section of the presentation, DOE would like to

17 propose definitions for a group of motors that DOE

18 feels clarifying definitions would aid the industry

19 moving forward, but that they do not feel additional

20 test setup instructions are necessary for at this time.

21 So to start, since a definition for NEMA

22 Design B motor has already been adopted, DOE believes
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1 adopting the next two definitions will help provide

2 consistency in the treatment of all motor types.

3 First, DOE proposes to adopt the following

4 definition. A NEMA Design A motor means a squirrel

5 cage motor that is designed to withstand full-voltage

6 starting and developing locked-rotor torque as shown in

7 NEMA MG 1- 2009, Paragraph 12.38; pull-up torque as

8 shown in NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraph 12.40; breakdown

9 torque as shown in NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraph 12.39;

10 have a locked-rotor current higher than the values

11 shown in NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraph 12.35.1 for 60 hertz

12 and NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraph 12.35.2 for 50 hertz; and

13 has a slip at rated load of less than 5 percent for

14 motors with fewer than 10 poles.

15 And as DOE notes that general purpose

16 electric motors that meet this definition and are rated

17 1 to 200 horsepower are currently subjected to

18 standards and DOE is not aware of any difficulties in

19 testing these motors with current procedures, they're

20 not proposing any test procedure amendments at this

21 time.

22 So moving on for a definition for NEMA Design
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1 C, DOE proposes --

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Let's just pause on this

3 slide.

4 MS. COSTELLO: Yeah.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

6 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty, speaking on

7 behalf of NEMA. It is true that you have presently

8 defined a NEMA Design B. I think we would encourage

9 that you use similar language in the definition of NEMA

10 Design A, and I'll get to Design C later, because, in

11 particular, with respect to the second point of the

12 definition and those that follow, has pull-up torque as

13 shown in NEMA MG 1-2009, in the present definition of

14 NEMA Design B, that corresponding information just

15 makes reference over to the locked-rotor breakdown and

16 pull-up torques adequate for applications and

17 references the paragraphs.

18 And when you get to those paragraphs, it's

19 clear that those are -- the table maximum values and

20 that the intent isn't that the motors meet the value in

21 the table, but that they do not exceed the value that's

22 in the table. So -- well, for torques, yeah. The
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1 torque or minimum torques, locked-rotor currents are

2 maximum, excuse me, so that the torques must exceed the

3 value that's in the table and not actually meet the

4 value in the table. And so perhaps if you just were

5 consistent in the definitions of A, B, and C, then that

6 would take care of the --

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

8 MR. DAUGHERTY: -- the concerns.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

10 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So for NEMA Design C,

11 DOE is proposing to adopt the following definition.

12 NEMA Design C motor means a squirrel-cage motor that is

13 designed to withstand full-voltage starting and

14 developing locked-rotor torque for high-torque

15 applications up to the values shown in NEMA MG 1-2009,

16 Paragraph 12.38; pull-up torque as shown in NEMA MG 1-

17 2009, Paragraph 12.40; breakdown torque up to the

18 values shown in NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraph 12.39; have a

19 locked- rotor current not to exceed the values shown in

20 NEMA MG 1-2009, Paragraphs 12.35.1 for 60 hertz and

21 12.35.2 for 50 hertz; and has a slip at rated load of

22 less than 5 percent.
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1 And as DOE is not aware of any difficulty in

2 testing these motors currently, they are currently not

3 proposing any test procedure amendments for Design C

4 electric motors.

5 So at this time, we request comment on the

6 definitions for both NEMA Design A and NEMA Design C.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Please --

8 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso, WEG Electric.

9 The only thought I have in looking at these definitions

10 is, you know, NEMA covers 50 and 60 hertz, but since

11 this regulation is really only for 60 hertz, it might

12 add some confusion or potentially a misinterpretation

13 if somebody's allowed to look at the 50 hertz values in

14 the table. So I would just suggest we not include 50

15 hertz values in the definitions.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

17 Roger Daugherty.

18 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I believe

19 that the concern that Dale just expressed will be, once

20 again, taken care of if the definition of electric

21 motor was the nine characteristics, because one of

22 those is 60 hertz.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

2 Yes, Frank?

3 MR. LADONNE: Following along those same

4 lines, if the nine characteristics were included, it

5 would seem that, under the definition for Design A,

6 that it wouldn't be necessary to say for motors with

7 fewer than 10 poles.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. You don't need that at

9 all?

10 MR. LADONNE: No, because the nine

11 definitions describe motors 2, 4, 6, or 8-pole.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

13 Roger?

14 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty on behalf of

15 NEMA. Just to point out that the Department was

16 correct in including that because that's part of the

17 definition in the NEMA standard, MG1 standard.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: The 10-pole

19 MR. DAUGHERTY: That the slip may exceed 5

20 percent for motors with 10 poles or greater.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Okay. Okay. Roger,

22 keep going.
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1 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. My point I

2 wanted to make about the Design C definition is the

3 very first item, part of its definition, that it says

4 it would have torque values that are up to the values

5 shown. The values in the tables are minimum values, so

6 it must have values that are not less than those that

7 are shown. But, again, if you would use the similar

8 present definition of NEMA Design B, but just reference

9 the appropriate paragraphs, that would take care of it.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Final

11 comments here?

12 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Now, because many

13 motors imported into the U.S. are built to IEC

14 specifications instead of NEMA specifications, DOE is

15 proposing to include a definition for IEC motor types

16 that are similar to NEMA motor types to help ensure

17 that these functionally similar motors are treated in a

18 manner consistent with equivalent NEMA-rated -- NEMA19 based electric motors.

20 The first of these motors is an IEC Design N

21 motor, which DOE is proposing to adopt the following

22 definition for. IEC Design N motor means an electric
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1 motor that is an induction motor designed for use with

2 three-phase power; contains a cage rotor; is intended

3 for direct-on-line starting (as demonstrated by the

4 motor's ability to operate without an inverter); has 2,

5 4, 6, or 8 poles; is rated from 0.4 kilowatts to 1600

6 kilowatts; and conforms to Sections 6.1, 6.2, and 6.3

7 of the IEC 60034-12 edition 2.1 requirements for torque

8 characteristics, locked-rotor apparent power, and

9 starting.

10 DOE is not aware of any testing difficulties

11 for these motors at this time so is not proposing any

12 test procedure amendments for IEC Design N electric

13 motors.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

15 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty for NEMA.

16 Within this definition in the third item, you include a

17 parenthetical phrase, "as demonstrated by the motor's

18 ability to operate without an inverter." We fail to

19 see why that parenthetical phrase is included. It's

20 not there for NEMA Designs A, B, or C, and you're

21 saying that the IEC Design N is equivalent to those.

22 So perhaps you could explain why that
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1 parenthetical statement's needed, or NEMA suggests that

2 you remove that parenthetical statement. It's not

3 actually a part of the IEC definition in the IEC

4 standard.

5 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So your recommendation

6 would be to remove it based on the fact that it's not

7 part of the IEC regulations and it is not similar to

8 the NEMA Design A, B, and C definitions?

9 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. Yes.

10 Removing it would just eliminate any confusion as to

11 why it's there. We can certainly see the reason it was

12 probably put in there, but it's not really a part of

13 the definition.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: So this is Ashley from DOE.

16 I realize that it may not be part of the IEC

17 definition. I think the question was what we were

18 trying to do was clarify the definition where we

19 thought there was potentially an ambiguity. So I think

20 the question for us is is it needed? And maybe it's

21 needed in the other definitions too, even though they

22 may be slightly different, but intentionally the same
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1 as the IEC definitions and NEMA definitions.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: So just because it's not an

4 IEC standard isn't necessarily a good reason for the

5 Department not to adopt something that it believes

6 needs clarification. So I guess I'm asking do we

7 really think that adds clarification?

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?

9 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I think,

10 speaking on behalf of NEMA, that we don't see the need

11 for that clarification. As I said, it just seems to

12 introduce some confusion and ambiguity into the

13 definition, that the definition without that standing

14 as is stated is sufficient to identify an IEC Design N

15 motor.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Dale?

17 MR. BASSO: Dale Basso. I wanted to -- on

18 the clarification of that, the problem with that short

19 a definition is it might actually introduce more

20 confusion because there are motors designed --

21 dedicated inverter operation that could be operated

22 across a line, but they won't have the characteristics
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1 required. They may have excessive locked-rotor

2 currents, or they may not have the right kinds of

3 torques for a standard operation.

4 So there's a lot that goes into a motor

5 that's dedicated for VFD operation that that doesn't

6 take into account.

7 MS. COSTELLO: Okay.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Go on. Yes, please.

9 MR. SCHUMANN: Tim Schumann with SEW -

10 Eurodrive and probably on behalf of NEMA also. With

11 regards to the point, next to the last, is rated from

12 .4 to 1600 kilowatt, again, kind of coattailing off of

13 Roger's comments, we'd go back to the definition. It's

14 intended to cover 1 to 500 horsepower. I think this

15 would introduce some confusion as to what's covered and

16 what's not based on power rating.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Tim, what would you suggest be

18 done?

19 MR. SCHUMANN: If we were to amend this

20 definition here, it would have to copy the base

21 definition as described in the nine points, 1 to 500

22 horsepower, or drop this altogether and just refer back
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1 to the main definition of an electric motor.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Dan, you wish to

3 comment here?

4 MR. DELANEY: Yeah, just one other comment I

5 wanted to make, not really specific to Design N or H,

6 but a comment that the NEMA -- so Dan Delaney, Regal

7 Beloit, speaking on behalf of NEMA here. We have

8 discussed using additional test methods. I didn't

9 really see a specific section really talked about.

10 Obviously, there's an IEC test that is IEC 60034-2-1,

11 which is similar to the existing IEEE 112, Method B,

12 and CSA C390. Just wanted to add some comments. If

13 this is the appropriate time, this NOPR, through test

14 procedures, to possibly introduce that as a third

15 alternate test standard for the IEC Design N and H or

16 the other Design A, B, or C.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional comments

18 here? Okay.

19 MS. COSTELLO: For IEC Design H electric

20 motors, DOE is proposing to adopt the following

21 definition. IEC Design H motor means an electric motor

22 that is an induction motor designed for use with three-
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1 phase power; contains a cage rotor; is intended for

2 direct-on-line starting (as demonstrated by the motor's

3 ability to operate without an inverter); has 2, 4, 6,

4 or 8 poles; is rated from 0.4 kilowatts to 1600

5 kilowatts at a frequency of 60 hertz; and conforms to

6 Sections 8.1, 8.2, and 8.3 of the IEC 60032-12 edition

7 2.1 requirements for torque characteristics, locked8 rotor apparent power, and starting. At this time, DOE

9 is not proposing any test procedure amendments for IEC

10 Design H electric motors.

11 And DOE requests comments on the proposed

12 definitions for both Design H and Design N motors.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

14 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. Just to

15 point out that while on this slide, it may include two

16 poles, in the proposed language that's at the end of

17 the NOPR, two poles is not included, and it is correct

18 that two poles not be included because there are no

19 Design C or IEC Design H motors defined for two poles.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

21 MS. COSTELLO: Thank you.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments on both N
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1 and H? Tim?

2 MR. SCHUMANN: Tim Schumann, SEW - Eurodrive.

3 I just noticed that there's a difference in the

4 definition, which is probably pulled from IEC, but in

5 the second-to- last bullet where it says "is rated

6 from," it's clarified at the end there "with a

7 frequency of 60 hertz." The previous slide, under IEC

8 Design N, does not contain the same definition, which I

9 don't think follows the intent of the DOE.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

11 John?

12 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor.

13 Again, this should be amended to show the 1 to 500

14 horsepower range that was in your initial nine points,

15 perhaps. And with regard to Design N, in that a Design

16 N motor could be equivalent to either a NEMA Design A

17 or B motor, should there be any verbiage added to that

18 effect?

19 In other words, if you split apart testing

20 differently for Design As or Bs or look at it

21 differently, should the verbiage say, "An IEC Design N

22 motor equivalent to NEMA Design A or equivalent to NEMA
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1 Design B" to differentiate the performance of that

2 Design N motor?

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Additional

4 comments here?

5 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Next we're going to

6 move on to a couple of electric motors with

7 encapsulated windings, and electric motors with

8 encapsulated windings have additional insulation that

9 completely encases the stator windings to protect them

10 from condensation, moisture, dirt, and debris. In the

11 preliminary TSD, DOE proposed a definition for an

12 encapsulated electric motor, but today DOE is instead

13 presenting two different definitions for these motor

14 types.

15 First, DOE proposes to adopt the following

16 definition. Electric motors with moisture-resistant

17 windings means an electric motor that is designed to

18 pass the conformance test for moisture resistance

19 described in NEMA MG 1-2009, paragraph 12.63 as

20 demonstrated on a representative sample or prototype.

21 And at this time, DOE's not proposing any

22 test procedure amendments for electric motors with
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1 moisture- resistant windings.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Let's have comment here.

3 Roger?

4 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. This has

5 more to do with the way the actual language is printed

6 in the NOPR itself rather than what's on the screen.

7 In the NOPR, in this definition of electric motor with

8 moisture- resistant windings, just to make note that

9 this parenthetical statement incorporated by reference,

10 "see Section 431.15," this particular referenced

11 paragraph of 12.63 from NEMA is not in 431.15, so the

12 Department, I'm sure, will look into adding that into

13 that section.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Additional

15 comments here? Wait. John wants -- and John, please.

16 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor.

17 With regard to what we're calling moisture-resistant

18 windings, right now, within the industry we have a

19 couple different versions of that. One would be the

20 encapsulated winding, where the entire winding is

21 encapsulated and sort of podded in a compound, and that

22 certainly locks out moisture. Another type would be a
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1 vacuum pressure impregnation, and in those cases, we

2 often can take the motor and submerge it in water and

3 do an electrical test there to show the integrity.

4 Specifically, going back to our original --

5 this Subpart B business, the exemptions from covered

6 motors, the encapsulated winding was one that was

7 exempted from having to meet any regulations for

8 efficiency. And as a motor company that builds such a

9 motor, we believe that is probably an oversight that

10 should be included. We don't -- we consider that a

11 type of moisture-resistant winding, but certainly not

12 the most common type.

13 It's the most common type, perhaps, for the

14 food industry, and maybe that type of winding

15 protection was taken from pump industry or some other

16 process industry and brought into that for additional

17 protection of those windings, but as far as it being

18 exempted from coverage or testing or what have you, we

19 don't believe that that should be exempted.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

21 Pamela.

22 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Moving on, for the
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1 second type of motors with encapsulated windings, DOE's

2 proposing to adopt the following definition. Electric

3 motors with sealed windings means an electric motor

4 that is designed to pass the conformance test for water

5 resistance described in NEMA MG 1-2009, paragraph 12.62

6 as demonstrated on a representative sample or

7 prototype.

8 And similar to the last slide, DOE's not

9 proposing any test procedure amendments for electric

10 motors with sealed windings at this time. DOE seeks

11 comments on this proposed definition and the proposed

12 definition for moisture-resistant windings at this

13 time.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

15 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. Just as a

16 similar note, the reference to Paragraph 12.62 will be

17 put into 431.15 for reference. Thank you.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Additional

19 comments here? Roger?

20 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. Just to

21 make a note that on this particular subject, on Page

22 38463 of the NOPR, as published in the Federal
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1 Register, DOE also requested data or information or

2 comments regarding the effects of specially insulated

3 stator windings on efficiency. I assume that, although

4 it wasn't included in this list at the back, DOE is

5 still interested in obtaining that information?

6 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Department of Energy says yes.

8 Okay. Thank you for that clarification.

9 Pamela.

10 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So moving on to

11 inverter- capable electric motors, currently being

12 suited to operate on an inverter does not exempt a

13 motor from having to meet efficiency standards.

14 Today DOE is maintaining this approach while

15 also further clarifying its position by proposing the

16 following definition. An inverter-capable electric

17 motor means an electric motor designed to be directly

18 connected to polyphase, sinusoidal line power, but

19 which is also capable of continuous operation on an

20 inverter drive over a limited speed range and

21 associated load.

22 And as these motors operate the same as
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1 general purpose motors when they're not connected to an

2 inverter, DOE is not proposing any test procedure

3 amendments for inverter-capable electric motors at this

4 time. DOE requests comment on its proposed definition

5 for inverter- capable electric motors and its tentative

6 decision not to propose any test procedure amendments

7 for inverter- capable electric motors.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

9 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty on behalf of

10 NEMA. As in the previous comment with respect to

11 inverters, again, this proposed definition includes

12 polyphase, but, once again, if the definition of

13 electric motor were to refer to polyphase, then

14 polyphase doesn't need to be within this, and it

15 becomes the more general definition of any motor that's

16 connected to an inverter.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

18 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor, but

19 this is probably a NEMA comment. This definition is

20 pretty wide open as far as the type of three-phase

21 motor that could be connected to an inverter.

22 Explosion-proof motors for Division 1 are included in
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1 coverage. You can't take an explosion-proof motor, any

2 explosion-proof motor, and operate it on an inverter.

3 It loses its UL and CSA listing. We have special

4 motors that have been tested with inverters, so

5 although your definition is correct, some of these

6 standards that are out there and limitations would

7 modify this in some way.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

9 Gary Fernstrom?

10 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom, California

11 IOUs. I'd just like to make sure that this definition

12 is specifically constrained to polyphase motors and

13 does not include single-phase motors.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Other

15 comments?

16 MR. FERNSTROM: Is there a response to that?

17 MS. COSTELLO: Yeah, the intention is for

18 this to be contained to polyphase motors.

19 MR. FERNSTROM: Thank you.

20 MS. COSTELLO: Do you feel that further

21 clarification would be needed in the wording to make

22 that understood?
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1 MR. FERNSTROM: No. I was just looking for

2 your interpretation. Thank you.

3 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Thank you.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Other comments here? Okay.

5 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So moving on to totally

6 enclosed non-ventilated electric motors, based on

7 changes made by EISA 2007 and support from the

8 industry, DOE is analyzing totally enclosed non9 ventilated motors in the energy conservation standards

10 rulemaking. As part of this, DOE is proposing to add a

11 definition for these motors.

12 DOE proposes to adopt the following

13 definition. Totally enclosed non-ventilated electric

14 motor means a motor that is built in a frame-surface

15 cooled, totally enclosed configuration that is designed

16 and equipped to be cooled only by free convection.

17 DOE has considered whether any test

18 modifications are necessary for these motors, and at

19 this point, DOE knows of no technical reason why a

20 totally enclosed non-ventilated electric motor could

21 not be tested using IEEE Standard 112 or CSA C390-10.

22 So at this point, DOE's not proposing any test
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1 procedure amendments for these motors.

2 DOE requests comments on its proposed

3 definition and preliminary decision not to propose any

4 test procedure amendments for totally enclosed, non5 ventilated electric motors.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Gary Fernstrom.

7 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom, California

8 IOUs. Again, could we go back to the prior slide for

9 just a moment? I'd also like to make sure that this

10 applies to general purpose motors, but not special or

11 dedicated purpose motors; is that correct, or am I

12 mistaken about that?

13 MS. COSTELLO: I think I would have to verify

14 to be clear on what the exact original intention was

15 with the definition, but Brian might jump in.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah. Brian.

17 MR. COFFEY: This is Brian Coffey with

18 Navigant. So this definition is intended not to make

19 use of those terms at all, so this definition is just

20 intended to stand on its own and be interpreted as

21 such.

22 MR. FERNSTROM: All right. Well, I'm more
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1 specifically concerned about dedicated purpose pool

2 pump motors, which may be three-phase motors,

3 polyphase, and are in the horsepower range that you're

4 considering here in that they're in the range of like

5 one to three horsepower. And my concern is whether

6 this test procedure and the resulting efficiency rating

7 would be applicable to those products or not. And it

8 looks like it would be. Thank you.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Dan?

10 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit.

11 Just to follow on to that as a further discussion,

12 there are commercial-type applications I can understand

13 of three- phase pool pump applications; may or may not

14 be used on an inverter. That may be acceptable for

15 those. A residential product that may have, let's say,

16 a single- phase input or a three-phase input to a

17 dedicated drive and loaded and sold as a unit would not

18 be considered -- and I'm kind of interested to learn if

19 that is what we were talking about. There is those two

20 types of products that are out there, not nearly as

21 much with a dedicated drive specially built, designed

22 for that motor combination, most of those being a
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1 single-phase input, but there are three-phase.

2 MR. FERNSTROM: Well, that's an excellent

3 question that serves as an opportunity for further

4 clarification. I'm not thinking about large commercial

5 pools that use five or greater horsepower electric

6 motors, which may or may not be controlled by

7 inverters. I'm thinking about the residential and small

8 commercial- type products that are sold as a pump and

9 motor and are really connected with a drive on the

10 motor. And sometimes the motors serving that

11 application are three- phase induction motors, and it

12 seems to me that this test procedure, then, would apply

13 to those products.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: That last comment was from

15 Gary Fernstrom. Dan, you want --

16 MS. ARMSTRONG: So can I just ask the

17 question -- is --

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley, please.

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: This is Ashley from DOE. Are

20 -- is your argument that they shouldn't -- it shouldn't

21 apply, or is the question just is it -- do they apply?

22 MR. FERNSTROM: I'm asking the question does
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1 it apply or not? My desire would be that it does not

2 apply.

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: And why?

4 MR. FERNSTROM: However -- why?

5 MS. ARMSTRONG: Uh-huh.

6 MR. FERNSTROM: Because California regulates

7 pool pumps and pool pump motors, and I want to avoid an

8 issue of preemption or an issue of conflict with the

9 test procedure that's specified for these products.

10 MS. ARMSTRONG: Okay.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Dan?

12 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit. I

13 think, Ashley, and I believe it's addressed with the

14 comments that are in here, directly connected to

15 polyphase. The product that we're talking here are not

16 directly connected to polyphase. The majority, if not

17 100 percent, would be directly connected to a single18 phase supply.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Gary.

20 MR. FERNSTROM: Well -- Gary Fernstrom,

21 California IOUs. This integral product that's sold is

22 served from a single-phase utility source. That source
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1 powers the drive, which, in turn, may power a polyphase

2 motor.

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: Uh-huh.

4 MR. FERNSTROM: So it kind of depends on

5 whether you look at the source as the source provided

6 to the integral product --

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yep.

8 MR. FERNSTROM: -- that drive and motor sold

9 together, or the motor only.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments here?

11 Okay.

12 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So now we can move on

13 to our request for comment on totally enclosed non14 ventilated electric motors.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Pamela read the definition.

16 Take a peek. You can see the comment box there. And

17 also, as she said, the preliminary decision is not to

18 propose test procedure amendments for TENV electric

19 motors. Comments here? No comments here? Oh, yes,

20 please.

21 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. With regard

22 to (inaudible) includes non-ventilated, I think the
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1 test procedure, there is no need for any new test

2 procedure, but I have a question about the air-over

3 motors. I think we had some -- the definition

4 previously, you know, in the opening slides, and since

5 the manufacturers are here, in terms of physical, you

6 know -- the products, putting the product together,

7 air-over motor and then TENV motor physically, how they

8 all look, and whether there are potentially any, you

9 know, avenues here for a loophole, you know, in terms

10 of the air-over motors.

11 I don't have any information on the volume of

12 these type of motors, but is it possible that that will

13 create some kind of loophole with respect to the TENV

14 that is covered and air-over that is not covered?

15 MR. BROOKMAN: And will you restate the type

16 of motor you're referring to?

17 DR. AGAMLOH: Air-over.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Uh-huh. Okay. Air-over.

19 Okay.

20 Dan?

21 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit. I

22 was going to comment on this earlier. I felt the
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1 definition, as it stands alone, on air-over is

2 adequate. There is the discussion between the two.

3 When you have a TENV motor, the differences between

4 maybe simply the marking and the further definition,

5 how that's defined in the nameplate, that's very

6 important for manufacturers. That is not something in

7 the marketplace today that has been around for a

8 terrible amount of time for this product.

9 Now that we're into DOE's small motor

10 electric rule as well as the electric motors, now that

11 they're coming down into both those range, it's going

12 to be important that the certification, which we feel

13 probably is not clear enough for this air-over and

14 TENV, so they're a product of the TENV that can be

15 provided simply as a TENV, a TENV just like motor that

16 can have comments about making it air-over by provided

17 the same airflow that a TEFC product would be or a

18 complete different realm of air-over electric motors

19 that are fan duty, whether they be in the airstream,

20 whether they be belted, whether it be some type of

21 connected blower.

22 So there's all types of definition on the
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1 air- over that get into a lot of, we'll say, not as

2 straightforward with the airflow over. So it's going

3 to be important about the nameplate marking and

4 certification to clarify what is an air-over versus

5 other types.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: And Gary.

7 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom. One more

8 thought about the pool pump motor. I believe

9 historically, these three-phase pool pump motors, that

10 are powered by drives have not been considered to be

11 subject to this test procedure, but I'd like to

12 recommend an additional clarification be made such that

13 where we're talking about motors that are sold with an

14 integral drive, that we're referencing the power that

15 goes into the drive, not the power that may necessarily

16 present itself between the drive and the motor, so that

17 would make this type of product, in effect, powered

18 from a single-phase source, and it would be clear that

19 that type of product is not covered by this test

20 procedure. Thank you.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Pamela --

22 MR. deLASKI: Excuse me, Doug?
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, Andrew?

2 MR. deLASKI: Andrew deLaski, Appliance

3 Standards Awareness Project. So I want to come back to

4 the question that Emmanuel asked --

5 MR. BROOKMAN: That's --

6 MR. deLASKI: -- and that Dan responded to.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: That's --

8 MR. deLASKI: So I thought I heard what you'd

9 said, Dan, was that, yeah, it could be a problem.

10 That's what I thought you were saying. And then I

11 thought I heard you say that the way to address it

12 would be through careful labeling in terms of how the

13 manufacturers certify our product and then label it on

14 the nameplate; is that what you said?

15 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit. One

16 thing I think it's lacking is -- so we've provided a

17 definition of air-over.

18 MR. deLASKI: Right.

19 MR. DELANEY: We have not clarified that the

20 statement, then, goes on the nameplate as an enclosure

21 of air-over in the certification side to declare that.

22 Okay? It's defined as an air-over.
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1 MR. deLASKI: Yeah.

2 MR. DELANEY: In the industry today, you'll

3 find many different forms putting air-over. I wouldn't

4 say there's a very good standard industry term there.

5 So it's important that the DOE provide a clear

6 definition that it's necessary in the certification to

7 declare an air-over product.

8 MR. deLASKI: So I guess my question is --

9 maybe to you, maybe to the Department -- is, well,

10 where does that happen? Because like this is the

11 definition we have right here is to --

12 MS. ARMSTRONG: It's the top one right there.

13 MR. deLASKI: Is -- this is it?

14 MS. ARMSTRONG: From the Department's

15 perspective.

16 MR. deLASKI: So if we need something more on

17 air-over, what I see is what's here on Page -- on Slide

18 14. Now, what I hear you saying is that we need more.

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: So that definition should be

20 self-standing. In other words, that's your way you

21 decide if you mark it or not. And should the

22 Department potentially ever in the future disagree with
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1 you, that would be the argument that we would be -- I

2 mean, those were the -- the characteristics defined by

3 that definition would be what we're arguing over.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Ashley. Additional

5 -- Dan, nothing additional? Andrew, did you get your

6 MR. deLASKI: Yeah, and I guess I would just

7 throw it back to the NEMA folks. You clearly need to

8 do some more thinking about this, it sounds like. You

9 know, just -- this is an issue that's being raised now.

10 And the question, I guess, would be is there NEMA -- is

11 there existing NEMA -- what I'm hearing you say is that

12 there isn't the existing NEMA. This is a relatively

13 new issue coming up, and it needs some development

14 within NEMA. So it sounds like something that

15 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

16 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor. On

17 the subject of air-over motors, for enclosure on the

18 nameplate, we put open air-over, totally enclosed air19 over. And typically we would put the CFM required to

20 keep the motor cooled to its rating, a minimum CFM

21 required to keep it cool.

22 In some cases, we have motors that are built
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1 that might be totally enclosed fan-cooled. And let's

2 say it's rated as 10 horsepower as a TEFC motor, but

3 used in a totally enclosed air-over in an airstream, it

4 may be rated at 12 1/2 horsepower.

5 So we certify with the DOE for a 10 horse

6 motor, and its efficiency is, you know, compliant at

7 that level, but when it can carry way more heat at --

8 you know, with an air-over cooling, it's got more air

9 over it than it does with the motor fan. So it can run

10 at 12 1/2 horsepower. You know, again, it's marked in

11 that respect.

12 All the motors that we make that are air13 over, you've got -- as Dan said, you've got a couple

14 different types of air-over. One might be a fan on

15 shaft, where it would be like a propeller fan that

16 would be on the motor shaft that would be pulling air

17 through a tunnel. More common would be a belted load

18 to a larger fan, and the motor would be sitting in,

19 say, a wall fan, and it would be sitting in the

20 airflow, getting air over it in that respect.

21 So I'm not sure DOE wants to get into the

22 details of how they're applied. I think simply the
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1 idea that they're an air-over motor and should be

2 marked as such should be sufficient.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

4 MR. MALINOWSKI: And with respect to the

5 California pump, if that motor is a covered motor, you

6 know, it needs to comply with the regulations. If it's

7 an inverter-only motor that's never meant to run or

8 incapable of running on a line, then it's a non-covered

9 product. It's an inverter duty motor. So I don't

10 think anything needs to be exempted because it's a

11 swimming pool pump motor.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: John, I think Dan said that

13 the descriptors, the words used for air-over motors,

14 that it's not standardized, or something like that. Is

15 that something that NEMA's going to do?

16 Alex Bosenberg.

17 MR. BOSENBERG: Alex Bosenberg, NEMA. I've

18 made a note to discuss that within NEMA and answer that

19 in our public comments.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you very much.

21 MR. BOSENBERG: Written comment.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Gary Fernstrom.
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1 MR. FERNSTROM: So to go to the --

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Gary --

3 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom. To go to the

4 California regulations again, we're concerned about

5 single-phase pool pump motors under five horsepower.

6 Where it begins to be complicated is with the variable7 speed products that take single-phase power and may

8 convert it to three-phase to drive an induction motor.

9 And we want to make sure there's no confusion

10 around motors being used in that application. They may

11 not uniquely be able to operate only through a drive.

12 They may be able to operate on the line. But the way

13 they're assembled, packaged, and sold is for

14 application operating from single-phase power.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Please go ahead.

16 MR. LIN: Paul Lin with Regal Beloit. I

17 think in the beginning, the definition said would

18 exclude permanent magnet motors; is that correct?

19 MS. COSTELLO: Which definitions?

20 MR. LIN: In the beginning, in the first few

21 slides that you had, where you --

22 MALE SPEAKER: Talking about the squirrel
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1 cage motors.

2 MR. LIN: Right. So I think --

3 MS. COSTELLO: Oh.

4 MR. LIN: -- in that definition, that would

5 exclude all the pool pumps that Gary's concerned about.

6 MS. COSTELLO: This one?

7 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom --

8 MR. LIN: Correct.

9 MR. FERNSTROM: -- PG&E. Not necessarily so.

10 Many of these pool pump motors are permanent magnet

11 motors, all right, but some utilize three-phase

12 induction motors that are powered through inverters and

13 sold into that application.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

15 John?

16 Dan's next, I guess. Dan.

17 MR. DELANEY: Just to go back to the air-over

18 one last time, I wanted to have clarity, if I could get

19 from DOE, on definitions here. So Steve Ruffing had

20 brought this up earlier. I just wanted to have

21 clarification. The definitions entered here, did they

22 apply to electric motors and small electric motors, or
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1 is it applying primarily to just electric motors?

2 MS. ARMSTRONG: Just electric.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley, for the record.

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: Just electric.

5 MR. DELANEY: So just electric motors, the --

6 MS. ARMSTRONG: Correct.

7 MR. DELANEY: -- integral horsepower, 1 to

8 500?

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

10 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. However, in

11 the present definition of "electric motor," it is

12 merely a device that transforms electrical power into

13 rotating power. It's not limited to size. It's not

14 limited to type of power or anything.

15 So, once again -- and this issue about this

16 pool pump motor, if this -- if these definitions are

17 complete definitions, which could be achieved by making

18 certain that electric motor, as referred to through the

19 definitions, encompass the nine points, then that will

20 take care of many of the issues and many of the area of

21 confusion.

22 And then the word "motor" that's being used
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1 is not presently defined. It was previously defined,

2 but after EISA, the Department removed that definition

3 and used it for electric motor. So, again, another

4 push for getting electric motor to be clearer to the

5 understanding and distinguished from the small electric

6 motor in the other subpart.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Frank.

8 MR. LADONNE: Frank Ladonne, Underwriters

9 Laboratories. I think Gary's point -- and I understand

10 it completely because we see these motors -- is that

11 very often there are three-phase motors that are sold

12 with an integral inverter as part of the motor.

13 So I think the point is what do you consider

14 the electric motor? Do you consider the electric motor

15 the way it's sold with the integral inverter, or do you

16 consider the electric motor, as determined by these

17 requirements, to be the motor itself and separate out

18 the inverter that is packaged with the motor? So I

19 think it's a very important point that deserves some

20 clarification.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

22 Dan.
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1 MR. DELANEY: I'd just like to add maybe one

2 last point on this. On the Issue 31, which is the

3 definite purpose, inverter-fed electric motor -- and

4 I'll say NEMA's position would be defined as that, a

5 definite purpose, inverter-fed electric motor --

6 operation solely for with that inverter. And it's not

7 intended for operation, you know, separated from that

8 inverter, so I would say that it's clearly defined

9 there in the definite purpose.

10 MR. deLASKI: As an exempted -- Andrew

11 deLaski. As an exempted motor?

12 MR. DELANEY: That's correct, yes.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Let me note that we're

14 on Slide 29, and we have -- 45 or 47 is the number of

15 substantive slides. I'm going to suggest maybe we

16 should take a break in a little bit.

17 Roger Daugherty, before we go to break?

18 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. Yes, sort

19 of a summary of these definitions now that we've gone

20 through and that most of these definitions were lifted

21 from the NEMA standard and use NEMA terminology. Most

22 of these definitions do not include any references to
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1 IEC or IEC equivalent or anything like that.

2 And just so the Department's aware that in

3 the IEC world, they do not use the terms like TENV.

4 They don't use the terms air-over. They designate the

5 equivalence of these by the use of an IP code, which is

6 a classification of protection, and an IC code, which

7 is classification of the method of cooling.

8 So if you were to look at an IEC motor rather

9 than finding a TENV notation, you're more likely to see

10 that it's identified by an IP and maybe an IC code, and

11 the same for the air-over motor, and the same for most

12 of the other motor types. So you should consider

13 incorporating the IEC equivalences within each of these

14 definitions.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Do the NEMA definitions

16 include those equivalences?

17 MR. DAUGHERTY: No.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: No? I was just curious.

19 MR. DAUGHERTY: The -- Roger Daugherty. In

20 instances where there is a direct correlation between a

21 NEMA letter code designation, like the TENV and things,

22 and an IEC IP code or a corresponding IEC code, in the
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1 NEMA MG1 standard, those code letters are provided in

2 parentheses next to the identifier, such as totally

3 enclosed non-vent, so --

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

5 MR. DAUGHERTY: -- there are some. There are

6 instances where there -- you will not find both, that

7 there is not necessarily an IP code that may be

8 corresponded to the NEMA identifier, or there is not an

9 IEC code that happens to correspond. But where there

10 is correspondence, you will find it in the NEMA

11 standard.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: So can I assume that NEMA, in

14 its comments, will make suggestions where there's not a

15 corresponding IEC code?

16 MALE SPEAKER: Thanks for the assignment.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: No problem.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Andrew deLaski.

20 MR. deLASKI: Doug, I assume we're finishing

21 up on definitions, so --

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes.
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1 MR. deLASKI: -- before we --

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah.

3 MR. deLASKI: -- so before the break --

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah.

5 MR. deLASKI: -- I appreciate all the work

6 done to make these more accurate and more specific and

7 all the work that NEMA's doing to give you good

8 comments. One comment I want to make in general at a

9 high level is that, you know, these are definitions

10 that are adopted through regulation, and, therefore,

11 they're definitions that can be modified in the future

12 through regulation. They're not statutory definitions,

13 so they're definitions that are -- can be modified.

14 What I want to -- the point I want to make is

15 that it may be in the future, at some subsequent

16 rulemaking, that there's a desire by stakeholders that

17 DOE expand coverage again to additional motors. So as

18 DOE does work up definitions, you know, please do it

19 with an eye towards keeping in mind that there may be a

20 time in ten years from now, some other point where some

21 additional motors should be brought in the coverage of

22 the rulemaking, just like in this instance, we're
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1 talking about covering a lot more motors.

2 So that flexibility is retained by the

3 Department, as I understand it. And I see nodding from

4 Ashley and others over here. Just because we're making

5 -- just because we're restricting this definition now

6 is not the final word forever and ever kind of thing.

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: Correct.

8 MR. deLASKI: Okay. And I also apologize for

9 being a little late this morning. I want to just make

10 a -- just a brief opening thought to share with folks,

11 which is that as I read this test procedure, NOPR, I

12 think it tracks very well, very closely with what the

13 Motor Coalition recommended in our joint comment last

14 summer. And I think it puts the Department on track to

15 adopt what I hope will be a proposed rule that very

16 closely -- for standards that could very closely follow

17 along recommendations of the Motor Coalition.

18 So I want to thank the Department for their

19 work in developed a proposed test method that lays the

20 groundwork for -- addresses points that were made by

21 our -- in our joint comments. It doesn't address

22 everything exactly as we asked for it in our test
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1 procedure recommendations, and that's some of the

2 feedback that you're hearing today and will continue to

3 hear in the second part of this hearing, so thank you.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: I thought the Federal Register

5 Notice did a pretty good job of describing some of the

6 Motor Coalition's --

7 MR. deLASKI: Yes.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: -- positions on all that.

9 Okay. Okay. I'm not foreclosing returning to

10 reconsider or re- discuss the definition issues. Don't

11 want to do that. These are really critical, really

12 important functionality. But let's take a break. It's

13 now about 20 minutes until 11. Let's take a 15-minute

14 break, which means we'll return at 5 minutes until 11.

15 You must wear a badge like this, visible, if

16 you're in the Forrestal Building. There are restrooms

17 on both ends of the hall. If you want a cup of coffee,

18 go quickly down to the ground floor. Just about

19 directly beneath us on the ground floor, there's a

20 Dunkin' Donuts coffee shop. And we'll see you back

21 here in 15 minutes. And we made good progress already

22 this morning. See you back here in 15.
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1 (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken.)

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Let's resume. So we

3 are going to proceed. And by my count, we're about on

4 Slide 30. And back -- before we continue, Roger

5 Daugherty.

6 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. During the

7 break, I was asked some questions to try to clarify

8 some things, and it brought to light something that I

9 just now noticed, that if you could go back to Slide

10 12, which are the nine characteristics --

11 MS. ARMSTRONG: You really like that slide.

12 MR. DAUGHERTY: Yeah, I do. I mean --

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: That's your favorite slide.

14 MR. DAUGHERTY: -- that's an important slide

15 here.

16 And down where it refers to frame sizes, that

17 it refers to -- has a three-digit NEMA frame size or

18 IEC metric equivalent -- I won't deal with the other at

19 this comment -- what was done in the last revision of

20 the definition of Subtype I, the Department had

21 proposed a way to try to include this issue of this 100

22 IEC metric frame that was exempted under the previous
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1 rules for the previous years.

2 And as a result of that, what is presently in

3 431.12, as part of the definition of the Subtype -- the

4 general purpose electric motor of Subtype I is the

5 language that it is built in accordance with NEMA T

6 frame dimensions or their IEC metric equivalents, which

7 is pretty much what it says on the screen there.

8 But in addition, it says "including a frame

9 size that is between two consecutive NEMA frame sizes

10 or their IEC metric equivalents." So that was a way of

11 trying to pull in. So if, in these nine points, for

12 that particular one, you were to go to the present

13 language and the present definition, you would

14 encompass some earlier points that were made of trying

15 to include the IEC 100 frame and those two higher

16 frames that are presently not covered by this

17 particular type of language in these present nine

18 points.

19 However, during that rulemaking, for what did

20 end up in 431.12, NEMA did point out that this

21 additional phrase does become quite confusing because

22 it now, if you look at U frames, those are frame sizes
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1 that are between NEMA frame sizes.

2 So it appeared to -- while it wasn't expected

3 that it was intended, it appeared that it pulled U

4 frame into Subtype I, whereas Congress had specifically

5 included those in Subtype II. It also raised an issue,

6 if you do consider, only in physical dimensions, that

7 an IEC 100 frame, which part of this additional clause

8 applies? Are those dimensions such that they lie

9 between two NEMA frame sizes, or are they dimensions

10 that lie between two IEC frame sizes?

11 And we had asked for some clarity back then.

12 I don't think -- I think at NEMA, we forgot to follow

13 up with a request for clarification of that. One

14 possible way of clarifying it is that the present

15 statement between modified to state that it's including

16 a T-frame size that is between two consecutive NEMA T17 frame sizes or an IEC metric frame size, which is

18 between two IEC metric frames. And that would take

19 care of the confusion. It won't quite -- or at least

20 by putting a T in there, it will take care of the U21 frame confusion and get that and leave it where it's

22 supposed to be, over in Subtype II.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional comments on

2 any of this before we move on? Okay.

3 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. So moving on to the

4 next part of the presentation, we're going to talk

5 about a group of motors that DOE is proposing to add

6 additional instructions to for testing, but that they

7 are, at this time, not proposing definitions for.

8 So first we have electric motors with non --

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. We have a preliminary

10 comment from Roger.

11 MS. COSTELLO: Okay.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

13 MR. DAUGHERTY: Yes, Roger Daugherty. I see

14 that it seems to be missing from the request for

15 comments from the Department in the request, but

16 there's a very important clause that's being added to

17 this Appendix B, to Subpart B, that has a significant

18 impact that I'm not aware exists on any other product,

19 and that's this note that's at the beginning, with that

20 note stating that for any special or definite purpose

21 motor type for which definitions are provided or for

22 which specific testing procedures are provided, must be
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1 based upon results generated by test. Test only.

2 That's the only thing it refers to here.

3 Further, that if a manufacturer wishes to put

4 an efficiency on a type for which the Department has

5 not established any standards, the manufacturer's still

6 obligated to have to test to make such a determination.

7 That's what the paragraph says. And so --

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: But --

9 MR. DAUGHERTY: -- we're very concerned with

10 the introduction of this paragraph.

11 MS. ARMSTRONG: So --

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- I think you're asking

14 about -- you're differentiating between testing and the

15 use of an AEDM; correct?

16 MALE SPEAKER: Yeah.

17 MS. ARMSTRONG: So in DOE's --

18 MR. DAUGHERTY: No, no.

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- regs, the way I read them

20 --

21 MALE SPEAKER: Roger says --

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- we can clarify, to make
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1 this clear, the intent was never to -- we see a testing

2 procedure or determination of a rating as the use of

3 the test or an AEDM. So an AEDM is still allowed.

4 What you're doing today would still be allowed. That

5 AEDM would have to be, you know, pursuant to DOE's

6 regs, but -- or, you know, validated, et cetera,

7 substantiated. But there's no intention to say, just to

8 differentiate, you must test them through this

9 language. So we can clarify as necessary.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger.

11 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I thank you

12 for that clarification; however, I believe that one of

13 the most significant issues is that this paragraph

14 applies to any special or definite purpose motor type

15 for which definitions are provided. That means that

16 what we have discussed this morning that would be non17 covered types, but because you include a definition --

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: No, we got your point.

19 MR. DAUGHERTY: Okay.

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: We got it.

21 MR. DAUGHERTY: Well, I have one more point.

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Slide 12, plus the four
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1 exclusions. Got it.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: And the specificity. Keep

3 going, Roger. Yeah.

4 MR. DAUGHERTY: Yeah. My other point is that

5 this paragraph is being designated as a note, and it

6 contains mandatory language, and we sort of covered

7 this in a previous rulemaking from a NOPR that was --

8 came out on January 5th of 2011, a Supplemental Notice

9 of Proposed Rulemaking on mandatory requirements.

10 Then NEMA submitted comments to that dated

11 February 4th of 2011. DOE then considered that in the

12 final rule that was published on May 4th, 2012. The

13 issue was to make a point that within the motor

14 industry -- and I believe pretty much other industries

15 also -- in the standards that we work with, notes are

16 not considered part of a standard.

17 They are not to contain mandatory language.

18 They are not interpreted as such. And many times,

19 those standards even state that right at the beginning.

20 So we encourage DOE not to use notes when there's a

21 mandatory requirement.

22 If you were just -- if something was just
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1 being explained that is appropriate in a note,

2 mandatory requirements, we do -- we feel there would be

3 confusion of those who see a note and say, "Well, the

4 notes don't apply because they've never applied to

5 anything else I've ever done, and IEEE standard and

6 ANSI standard and IEC standard, a NEMA standard, so the

7 note doesn't apply."

8 The Department seemed to take that into

9 consideration in that final rule, and that was where

10 that language I was just talking about regarding frame

11 sizes came from. It was incorporated into the

12 definition rather than being established as a note.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. We're going

14 to move on now --

15 MS. COSTELLO: Okay.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: -- to Pamela.

17 MS. ARMSTRONG: Actually, I want to say

18 something real quick, though.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Pamela.

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: So we --

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Oh, Pardon me. Ashley.

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- we appreciate the
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1 statement.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley. Ashley, please.

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: The note is in reg text. It

4 is -- it would be law, and it is a requirement. And

5 this is how we're writing notes in terms of

6 representation requirements across the board for many

7 of our products. You'll see them a lot in different

8 test procedures.

9 That being said, we understand the statement,

10 but we do want you to understand that it carries the

11 same weight, regardless of whether this is not common

12 on how it's done in industry.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Now we're moving on.

14 MS. COSTELLO: Okay.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Pamela.

16 MS. COSTELLO: So moving on to electric

17 motors with non-standard endshields or flanges, DOE's

18 aware that some electric motors may have special or

19 customer-defined endshields or flanges that do not

20 necessarily conform to NEMA specifications. And as DOE

21 is now considering standards for special and definite

22 purpose motors, the dimensions of a motor's endshield
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1 or flange would no longer dictate if a motor should

2 meet standards.

3 For this reason, DOE's proposing to add a few

4 testing instructions. If a situation arises where

5 motors with non-standard endshields cannot be attached

6 to a testing laboratory's dynamometer, DOE proposes

7 that the custom endshield be replaced with one that has

8 standard dimensions and mounting configurations. This

9 replacement must be obtained through the manufacturer

10 and be constructed of the same material as the original

11 endplate.

12 At this time, DOE invites comment on its

13 proposed instructions for testing electric motors with

14 non-standard endshields or flanges.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. The issue

17 here, as the manufacturers see it, is with respect to

18 the requirement that the manufacturer would be

19 obligated to provide an appropriate endshield of the

20 same material as the original endplate, particularly

21 for a manufacturer that doesn't normally manufacture

22 endplates of normal NEMA dimensions or IEC dimensions.
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1 This puts an obligation on the manufacturer

2 to create something that he doesn't really have in his

3 facility.

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: So can I ask what you

5 suggest? Because as I understand it, this is what NEMA

6 suggested the additional instructions be. What did you

7 suggest, then?

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Ashley.

9 Now to John.

10 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor, I

11 guess speaking on behalf of NEMA. I think what we

12 talked about was the manufacturer would be involved in

13 a partial motor and getting you an endplate. When

14 we're talking about a special-dimensioned endplate or

15 such, I'd like to defer to our Advanced Energy guys

16 here, who test these sort of things. Typically, those

17 can still be tested on the dynamometer.

18 Most often, we would mount the motor in a --

19 perhaps in a cradle or mounted on the mounting base, or

20 you would have a bracket that the motor would bolt to,

21 and, you know, you just need to drill some different

22 holes in that bracket to allow the mounting. Usually a
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1 special endplate isn't so special that you can't put it

2 on the dynamometer.

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: So --

4 MR. MALINOWSKI: Where we were talking with

5 respect to us supplying an endplate was really for that

6 partial motor where we'd give you an endplate for that.

7 And I'll have some comments on that when we get to it

8 as well.

9 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. I mean, this is Ashley

10 from the Department. And I know you've heard me say

11 this before, but I think we're looking for standardized

12 instructions, and what you seem to be describing seems

13 like a model-specific instructions, depending on how it

14 be able to be fit to a dynamometer, that the

15 manufacturer may elect or that DOE may decide, you know

16 -- I mean, we can write it such that, you know, for

17 non-standard endshields that cannot be attached to the

18 dynamometer, DOE is free to modify them such that it

19 can be attached to the dynamometer any way that DOE

20 sees fit, and we can do that too.

21 But what we were trying to do is put

22 standardized language such that, you know, a
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1 manufacturer's expectations of how we would attach this

2 to the dynamometer is similar to what they would do if

3 they were testing.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Well --

5 MS. ARMSTRONG: And maybe there's not a way

6 to do that with these, but that's what we were going

7 for.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: John, follow on.

9 MR. MALINOWSKI: I guess, Ashley, if we look

10 why we have a special endplate, it may have a non11 standard bearing size or a large shaft or whatever, and

12 in reality, there isn't a standard endplate that we

13 would give you for that. I'm thinking of a shaker

14 motor or something that we would make for industry

15 that, you know, it may have a huge shaft coming out of

16 it that just -- there's not a standard NEMA endplate

17 that would fit there. It's designed for a specific

18 OEM.

19 A lot of times, these endplates are designed

20 where the endplate is actually part of the customer's

21 compressor or machine. We don't give him a partial

22 motor. We build a motor that has part of his machine
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1 as part of our motor.

2 So we give him a complete motor. It's

3 standalone. It can be tested on our dynamometer. It

4 can be tested no load on our production floor. But in

5 respect to giving a standard endplate for that motor,

6 maybe we can, maybe we can't. It would really depend a

7 lot on the motor.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Andrew, follow on.

9 MR. deLASKI: I was just looking at the

10 regulatory language at the end here, and I want to just

11 clarify something, because Roger used the words "We

12 have an obligation to provide an endplate," and I don't

13 see an obligation in here, in the existing language.

14 What I see is sort of best efforts. Right? What it

15 says is, "If this is necessary" -- I'm looking at --

16 no, on the very last part of the rule.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: You're referring to page, in

18 the Federal Register Notice --

19 MR. deLASKI: 38482.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think they're saying --

22 well, correct me --
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1 MR. deLASKI: It says you've got to give me

2 an endplate if you can, right? I mean, you're going to

3 request it, and they may or may not be able to give it

4 to you.

5 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think their question is

6 what happens if we can't?

7 MALE SPEAKER: Well --

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: Then are we free to do what

9 we want?

10 MR. deLASKI: Then you're going to do your

11 thing, and they're going to respond to you. This is

12 for an enforcement test, right, we're talking about?

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: Mostly. So --

14 MR. deLASKI: Right? So --

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- ideally, we would like to

16 --

17 MR. deLASKI: -- you're going to have to sort

18 it through, right, in the instance; right?

19 MR. BROOKMAN: That's -- thank you, Ashley

20 and Andrew.

21 Now back to John.

22 MR. MALINOWSKI: Well, I guess some of my
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1 comments -- I was going to talk about partial motors --

2 are probably applicable here as well. Let's say a

3 piece of equipment is coming in and you're taking a

4 motor from that piece of equipment out of commerce.

5 Okay? The importer of that equipment is probably not

6 the motor manufacturer. You know, it may be something

7 coming in -- let's say it's a compressor coming in from

8 India and it's got a special endplate or a partial

9 motor on it that's part of that equipment.

10 So the DOE takes that motor and wishes to

11 test it on a dynamometer. This poor guy is just an

12 importer/distributor of the equipment. He doesn't even

13 know who the motor manufacturer is. He's not even

14 affiliated with that. So is he obligated to go back to

15 India and say, "Gee, Mr. Compressor Manufacturer, I

16 need to get an endplate for the motor that you put on

17 the machine that I'm trying to import into the

18 country," or it's a special endplate.

19 I mean, it's -- you know, it kind of goes

20 back to I'd like our friends at Advanced Energy to

21 comment how they do the testing of products like this

22 in their lab. I mean, they have facilities where they
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1 can do this.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Just a second. Before we move

3 on, did that clarify -- Ashley, did that --

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: (Inaudible).

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Go ahead.

6 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh, Advanced

7 Energy. The special endplate -- there are different

8 types. There is not, you know, a specific -- and the

9 fact that the motor has a special endplate doesn't mean

10 that you cannot test it.

11 However, if the motor has an endplate which

12 completely, you know -- you are not able to test it

13 because of that endplate and you take that endplate

14 off, the motor falls probably in the category of a

15 partial motor, and the way you treat partial motor

16 should be similar to the way you treat this type of

17 motor.

18 If we are saying that the manufacturer can

19 provide an endplate to test partial motor, the

20 manufacturer should be able to provide an endplate also

21 to test a motor for which, you know, certification or,

22 you know, coverage is required, which doesn't have an
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1 endplate that fits -- or that will make it fit on a

2 dynamometer.

3 So I think that, you know, either you make a

4 new endplate or the testing lab makes a new endplate.

5 Somebody has to make that new endplate somehow.

6 MR. MALINOWSKI: And it may not be on the

7 same material. Maybe aluminum.

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: Is that the issue, the

9 material?

10 MR. BOTELER: Not totally. Rob Boteler with

11 Nidec.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: That was --

13 MR. BOTELER: One of the issues is the

14 material, but just --

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Rob -- okay. Summarize. So

16 John says it may not be the same material. Ashley says

17 is the material, is that the key issue?

18 Rob, keep going.

19 MR. BOTELER: No, I don't think the material

20 is the key issue, but it is an issue that, when we make

21 an endplate or Emmanuel makes an endplate, that it

22 doesn't really matter what the material would be, I
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1 don't think.

2 If we have a cast-iron motor and we need to

3 make an endplate, could we make it out of aluminum?

4 Because we're not going to go out and create a new

5 casting for one endplate. And the material wouldn't

6 affect the efficiency of the motor as long as it uses

7 the same -- you know, the bearing and it's on the

8 correct bearing center.

9 MS. ARMSTRONG: So let me just go back. This

10 is Ashley from DOE. Material issue aside -- so I

11 understand that part, but if I understood what Emmanuel

12 said, he said they should be treated similarly to

13 partial electric motors, and how we're treating partial

14 electric motors is we're saying, "Fine. Endshields

15 meeting a NEMA or IEC spec shall be obtained for

16 testing."

17 And are you telling me that that cannot be

18 done in all cases for non-standard endshields? In

19 other words, for those non-standard ones that cannot be

20 attached to a dynamometer and you had to remove, can

21 you -- I mean --

22 MR. BROOKMAN: John.
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1 MR. MALINOWSKI: I guess my point here --

2 John Malinowski, Baldor. My point here is that the

3 endplate, the dummy endplate that we put on doesn't

4 have to meet a NEMA or IEC spec. All we're looking for

5 is a piece of metal with a bearing to carry the shaft

6 load while the motor's on the dynamometer.

7 The dimensionality of that endplate, whether

8 it's got a C face or a D flange or a whatever on it, is

9 irrelevant, totally. All you need is a flat piece of

10 steel that engages and centers a bearing in the housing

11 and supports it while you couple it to the dynamometer.

12 In some cases, if it's a round-body motor and there's

13 not a base to mount and support the motor on the dyno,

14 that endplate may have to have holes drilled in it in

15 any manner needed for the testing facility to bolt to

16 their dynamometer.

17 So it's a customized piece. We, as a motor

18 manufacturer, would have customized pieces that we use

19 for our testing. When the Navigant people did their

20 facility visits last year, they saw those pieces. They

21 saw the shaft adapters and everything. I think they

22 saw that at other motor manufacturers. These guys have
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1 the same kind of pieces that they use and go out to

2 have an electric motor shop locally build it for them.

3 You know, so having it meet NEMA or IEC dimensions for

4 the adapter is irrelevant.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Emmanuel?

6 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. To the

7 extent that, you know, the testing and efficiency

8 characterization is concerned, I agree that those

9 dimensions are not really relevant. If the motor is --

10 you know, it depends on how the endshield will look

11 like. But if there is a way of, you know, attaching a

12 cover that will center the bearings, the rotor

13 completely, and for that purpose, the motor will now be

14 able to be mounted for testing, the standard dimension

15 is, you know, extraneous to the requirements.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

17 Rob?

18 MR. BOTELER: Rob Boteler with Nidec. Yeah,

19 I think one of the issues that I have is that the

20 replacement is obtained from the manufacturer and to be

21 constructed with the same material. I think we need to

22 be open enough that if the manufacturer -- to John's
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1 point, it's an offshore manufacturer, and it can't be

2 reasonable to secure it, that the test lab could

3 manufacture a replacement endshield.

4 I think probably the bigger issue we're going

5 to run into is some of our friends who build gear

6 motors, when we change the endshield, we also change

7 the bearing center so now the rotor assembly cannot be

8 used. So that brings us to a new level of modification

9 that has to be dealt with.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley?

11 MS. ARMSTRONG: Ashley needs to think about

12 what she wants to say. So is your ask from the

13 Department that the Department engage you in a

14 discussion and agree upon the endshield that is needed

15 for testing, period? What is your ask, I guess? What

16 language --

17 MR. BROOKMAN: What is our ask?

18 MR. LADONNE: And just to clarify, if I'm not

19 mistaken, it looks like Ashley's looking for -- the

20 Department of Energy, pardon me, is looking for some

21 sort of a useful and elegant descriptor here that's not

22 going to bind everybody up and make enforcement
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1 possible and -- right? Does that exist?

2 MS. ARMSTRONG: But I think we want to set

3 expectations about how we would test or the process we

4 would use for testing. And if we don't need identical

5 things, we want to agree, at least, at the outset that

6 if we need to engage in a discussion with you about

7 what the endplate is, that we engage, we agree, and

8 that's it.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: While you're thinking, Frank -

10 - I've dropped out of the queue. I apologize, Frank.

11 You're in that -- go ahead, please.

12 MR. LADONNE: So I don't know if this is the

13 element solution you were looking for, but it's a

14 solution. And I think that Ashley earlier had kind of

15 the kernel of the language, and, you know, in light of

16 what everyone has said, I think you need to put in

17 language that says that the endshield may be modified

18 or fabricated to the extent necessary to facilitate

19 coupling to the dynamometer, but so that that

20 modification or fabrication doesn't affect the results

21 of the test, period. You know, and that leaves both

22 the manufacturers and the test lab open to do what they
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1 need to do.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley?

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: So we were doing well, Frank,

4 until we got to that end of the statement, where it

5 says the results, basically, are unaffected by -- you

6 know, it's hard to prove that. If the results --

7 MR. LADONNE: Right.

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- aren't what is expected --

9 MR. LADONNE: Right. And here's what I meant

10 by that.

11 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- we do not want to pinpoint

12 the endshield. I mean, we want to agree, "This is how

13 you test," period, and the results are what they are.

14 MR. LADONNE: Right. Okay. Frank Ladonne,

15 Underwriters. And what I meant by that was that

16 endshields may or may not have ventilation openings.

17 Okay? So if there are ventilation openings that are

18 going to affects the results of the test, those

19 ventilation openings need to be, you know, emulated as

20 close as possible to what was there originally.

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: I guess that brings up a good

22 question, and all of you can talk in one second. How
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1 do you test? I mean, what is -- if we're trying to

2 emulate what you did in your lab

3 MR. BROOKMAN: John.

4 MR. MALINOWSKI: Let me take a whack at this.

5 And let me kind of start over and say that the initial

6 comment was concerning customized endplates or

7 mountings. Just because it's got a customized endplate

8 or mounting doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be

9 tested on the dynamometer. That's point one. So we

10 don't --

11 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think we got that; right?

12 MR. MALINOWSKI: We don't have to have a

13 special endplate for that. If we can't, you know, do

14 that, then we make an adapter so that that endplate can

15 bolt to the dynamometer. If we can't do that, then we

16 -- what we would actually do in our production would be

17 test a motor of like electrical design. In other

18 words, you know, we would take the guts out of the

19 motor and put it in a standard configuration and test

20 it.

21 The -- you know, the special endplate or

22 special shaft or whatever wingdings you hang on the
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1 outside of the motor is just fluff. It is not anything

2 that affects the performance of the motor. When the

3 guys came through and looked at product going through

4 our plants, they saw motors that had spline shafts.

5 They had motors that had hollow shafts. They saw

6 motors with three-foot-long shafts.

7 We wouldn't put a motor with a three-foot8 long shaft on the dynamometer and test it. We'd test

9 the basic NEMA T frame equivalent of that motor and

10 know what the efficiency of that is in performance,

11 because a three-foot-long shaft isn't going to affect

12 the performance of the motor.

13 So how we'd test it is we'd test a standard T

14 frame configuration. I think we've talked about that

15 in the past, but, you know, the idea of taking a motor

16 from a machine that's in commerce and testing it, when

17 we get into some of the shaft configurations and some

18 of the other things that we'll talk about later, you

19 know, those are where all the little adapter widgets

20 will have to come into play.

21 Can you take a motor with a three-foot shaft

22 and put it on a dyno? Well, yeah, you could. You
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1 know, you'd have to have it -- it would be a challenge

2 for these guys to have the dyno bed long enough to

3 space the motor back far enough away to put a coupling

4 on the end.

5 To the point that we talked about some of the

6 gear motors, some of the gear motors that we have

7 actually have a gear that's cut into the motor shaft so

8 there's not an easy place to put a coupling on that.

9 But could you test it? You know, if you can couple to

10 it and couple to the dyno, you could test it, but, you

11 know, the challenge is going to be how do you test it?

12 You talked about modifying the motor for

13 testing, so let's say you went in there, and you put it

14 in a lathe, and you cut the shaft down so that a

15 standard coupling would fit on the shaft. How do you

16 then return that motor to commerce? Let's say a guy is

17 importing a machine, and you take all of the motors out

18 of his machine and test them. He's kind of out a

19 machine now that doesn't have any motors on it. You

20 know, how -- I mean, that's certainly, you know, who's

21 responsible for that?

22 You know, the more we talk about this, the
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1 more questions that kind of come up through the whole

2 process. You know, who pays for the endplate on these

3 things when we have to fabricate an endplate? I don't

4 -- you know, the manufacturer might be the importer of

5 the pump or the compressor.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Frank.

7 MR. LADONNE: Frank Ladonne, Underwriters

8 Laboratories. Yeah, so I guess, you know, another way

9 of saying this, that the heartburn we're all having

10 with the wording that's here is some of the language

11 that says, "Replace with one that has standard

12 dimensions and mounting configurations, must be

13 constructed of the same material." A lot of that

14 language is kind of immaterial to the task at hand,

15 which is coupling the motor to the dynamometer. Right?

16 So I think, you know, language, as I had

17 suggested earlier, you know, to the extent necessary to

18 facilitate coupling to the dynamometer is really what

19 you're after. I think that the more prescriptive we

20 tried to be, the more trouble we get into, in my

21 opinion.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Rob?
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1 MR. BOTELER: Rob Boteler with Nidec. I

2 think we understand a little more clearly now what the

3 issues are, and I think we would like to come back in

4 our written comments and define this a little more

5 clearly.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Okay.

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: We'd appreciate that.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

9 MR. deLASKI: I mean, I guess a thought for

10 Ashley, which is that, I mean, it may be that you just

11 -- there is some situation where it just can't be done.

12 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yeah.

13 MR. deLASKI: And is that a problem for you?

14 I mean, that troubles you?

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: We would -- ideally, in an

16 ideal world, we would like a way to test any motor that

17 we would choose to test. That's not to say we would

18 ever get there, but

19 MR. deLASKI: Yeah.

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: And what this was trying to

21 do is at least articulate a process for which we would

22 go through and test a given motor. Now, if that
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1 process includes discussing with the manufacturer

2 either the endshields or the modifications or whatever

3 needed, only if it can't be connected to a dynamometer,

4 you know, in order to facilitate testing, then that's

5 one way to go, but we would agree that that's a

6 process, iron it out, and then we just test it, or if

7 we couldn't, we would allow the test labs free will to

8 modify as they see fit.

9 But what we'd like to do is develop a process

10 so there's a common expectation there on how we would

11 test or -- going forward. That's the idea. But, yes,

12 I mean, we'd like to test -- be able to test --

13 MR. deLASKI: It just strikes me --

14 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- any motor.

15 MR. deLASKI: -- that if you end up with a

16 system that's good 95 percent of the time, that that's

17 probably sufficient?

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: That's close. I mean --

19 MR. deLASKI: You're ending up with a system

20 --

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- the going-in position is a

22 hundred --
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1 MR. deLASKI: Right.

2 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- but the fallback position,

3 sure.

4 MR. deLASKI: Yeah, there's going to be --

5 just coming up with a perfect solution probably isn't

6 possible, but getting there -- getting close, you know,

7 strikes me as being possible.

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think that's the question

9 here, Andrew.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Dale?

11 MR. BASSO: Dale Basso. Just -- I know this

12 probably doesn't quite fit the rules you're trying to

13 get to, but let me ask if it's -- if it can be worked

14 out. In those situations where the modification is too

15 extensive or can't be done to test, what manufacturers

16 often do is the electrical design is what we're

17 concerned about, and so we often will build a motor of

18 that electrical design using standard construction

19 endshields as --

20 MALE SPEAKER: General purpose.

21 MR. BASSO: General purpose. Okay. So but

22 the same electrical design so that, unfortunately, it's
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1 not the one that you can pull off the shelf and test,

2 but if you pull it off the shelf and say, "Okay, we

3 want to test this, but we can't couple it. Supply me

4 the equivalent electrical design in a standard

5 enclosure," then we could supply that, and you could do

6 a comparison of is it really the same electrical design

7 by looking at the core and the rotor and say, "Is it

8 equivalent?"

9 We can provide performance data. We have

10 lots of options along those lines of building the

11 motor. Unfortunately, it's not your off-the-shelf

12 motor, but you could verify that it's the same

13 electrical characteristics based on the performance

14 data and the physical motor.

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I think, you know, perhaps

16 in your comments, consider, you know, obviously, if you

17 can test the shift, test the shift. If you can't

18 connect it to the dynamometer, then you would engage in

19 the manufacturer to obtain, you know, the endshields or

20 whatever, and then perhaps as a last resort, that could

21 be an option for consideration.

22 I can't tell you whether DOE would accept it
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1 at this point, but it would be nice to see a

2 walkthrough of, okay, if you finally get to that 5

3 percent that Andrew was just talking about bucket where

4 you just cannot ever hook this thing up to a

5 dynamometer and test it, this is what you should do

6 instead.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: One of our webinar

8 participants has a comment or a question. Steve

9 Ruffing, you're on the line.

10 MR. RUFFING: Thank you. Steve Ruffing,

11 Nidec Motor Corporation. And I apologize. I had to

12 drop off the call for a moment because I had a

13 technical difficulty. I couldn't get my -- enable the

14 muting controls. So I may be repeating some things

15 that were discussed in the last few minutes. I

16 apologize if that's the case.

17 It appears to me there's three relevant

18 characteristics for the endshield, the first of these

19 three being the most essential, which is the dimensions

20 that allow the bearings to be accommodated and coupling

21 the dynamometer to occur. So those are an absolute

22 essential, and those were discussed significantly in
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1 exchanges leading up to this. I don't have anything

2 more to add to that.

3 The second characteristic is any ventilation

4 openings that may or may not be present. And it was

5 discussed how can you ensure that any holes you put in

6 there are -- emulate what's happening in the actual

7 endshields for the motor?

8 I guess in that case, it seems the

9 manufacturer would have the best idea of that, and,

10 therefore, the manufacturer should be given the option

11 to provide the endshields if they can. If they

12 decline, then I would suggest that they not be required

13 to supply them, but the test facility could do that

14 instead.

15 And then the third characteristic, it was

16 discussed in the NOPR about the magnetic properties of

17 the endshield possibly affecting any current losses in

18 the motor. Someone else previously made the comment

19 that if the actual material in the motor is cast iron,

20 then it would be a -- it would place a significant

21 burden on the manufacturer to try to provide a cast22 iron replacement for that, and I agree, so I think any
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1 requirement that the material be matches is

2 impractical, and any resulting differences and any

3 current losses that result from that will just have to

4 be, you know, accepted, and there's no way to really

5 work around that.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

7 John?

8 MR. MALINOWSKI: Just -- John Malinowski,

9 Baldor. Just another thought here, perhaps, is the

10 idea that the manufacturer would be made to test it in

11 his NVLAP-certified lab under the, you know, observed

12 by DOE or, you know, their party.

13 If we start looking at the scope of motors

14 that are covered, I don't think -- well, at least to my

15 knowledge, I don't think the test labs that you're

16 using have the capabilities of testing motors from 1 to

17 500 horsepower up through 8-pole sizes. So, you know,

18 we would have some challenges in that respect if you

19 chose to test a fairly large motor.

20 I think Advanced Energy -- I think these guys

21 are somewhere in the 250, 300 horsepower, 4-pole range,

22 so when you start getting motors larger than that, UL,
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1 CSA, these guys don't have labs that are suited for

2 these large motors either.

3 And we brought this question up earlier when

4 you had that test about doing witness tests at our

5 facilities. It's done by our customers. They send

6 people in and watch us test motors for them. UL comes

7 in and watches us do tests of motors for different

8 standards and regulatory things, and CSA.

9 So, you know, perhaps that's another

10 alternative for consideration, particularly in those

11 motors that are really strange. We -- that would put a

12 little more of the burden back on the manufacturer, and

13 we've got all the test setups to do these. Some people

14 even have vertical dynamometers to test vertical

15 motors. So

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Frank?

17 MR. LADONNE: Frank Ladonne, Underwriters

18 Laboratories. Yeah, to John's point, I agree

19 completely. You know, nobody wants to ship a 500-

20 horsepower motor if they can avoid it. You know, there

21 are economic penalties to doing that. So we -- you

22 know, at UL, and I know Advanced Energy and others, we
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1 do a lot of witness testing, and there's really nothing

2 wrong with that. It's a reasonable solution to a

3 problem.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

5 John?

6 MR. MALINOWSKI: I'm sorry.

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think -- just one more

8 thing. Hold on one sec. Sorry to interrupt you. I

9 think that it's not out of the question, and we've

10 stated this before, for the Department to go on-site to

11 a facility where it makes sense or where we need to

12 because there's not a third party.

13 What we're really talking about here, though,

14 is the procedure, how it's tested. So we are -- once

15 we get there, you know, that's fine, and where -- and

16 that's great that you have the facilities, but we're

17 trying to agree upon a process or a procedure on how

18 it's tested, regardless of where it is.

19 MR. MALINOWSKI: Yeah, I agree that's very

20 important to do. The other thing is the expectation --

21 I don't know how many of you have ever been watching a

22 test of an IEEE 112 test, but the motor has to be
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1 brought up to operating temperature before the

2 efficiency test can be done.

3 And on a small motor -- excuse me. On a

4 small motor, that may be two or three, four hours. But

5 when you start getting into larger machines, it may

6 take eight hours, and then it may take, you know,

7 several hours to do the actual test. So the whole test

8 may take 12, 14 hours to perform. So it's certainly

9 not something you bring into a building and throw it on

10 a dynamometer and 20 minutes later, you're done.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. That was

12 John speaking last. Are we ready to move on now? I

13 think we are. Pamela.

14 MS. COSTELLO: So similar to custom

15 endplates, some manufacturers provide motors shafts

16 with a special diameter, length, or design because of a

17 customer's special application. At this point, DOE is

18 not aware of any motor shaft design that has prevented

19 DOE's test laboratory from performing a proper test,

20 according to IEEE 112 Test Method B.

21 DOE understands that a motor shaft

22 configuration has minimal, if any, impact on an overall
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1 motor efficiency, so DOE is proposing to add the

2 following testing instructions. If a testing facility

3 cannot attach a motor to its dynamometer because of the

4 motor's shaft extension, that facility should use a

5 coupling or adapter to mount and test the motor.

6 DOE requests comments on its proposed

7 instructions for testing motors with non-standard shaft

8 dimensions.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

10 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I'd

11 actually had a comment -- I didn't know I was going to

12 generate so much discussion on -- comment on the

13 previous subject, but -- and it was pointed out that

14 maybe I was misinterpreting the language, but under 4.2

15 of Appendix B, when I saw language that said that the

16 endshield or flange shall be obtained through the

17 manufacturer, I interpreted that as a mandatory

18 requirement, not just something that might be done. It

19 was a shall. So I guess if I'm misinterpreting that

20 it's mandatory, I would surely like to know that.

21 MR. deLASKI: Well, the way I interpret that,

22 that's a mandatory on the Department, not on you,
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1 right, either by request, right, or purchase, so it's a

2 mandatory on who's doing the test; right?

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: IT's --

4 MR. deLASKI: So the question is who's doing

5 the test.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: So that was Andrew. Now back

7 to Ashley.

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: The key here is if it's

9 necessary. So if it's necessary, then we will.

10 Depends on the -- it depends on what kind of testing

11 we're in.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?

13 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I seem to

14 keep getting more and more confused, but it says "shall

15 be obtained through the manufacturer." What --

16 MS. ARMSTRONG: That's correct.

17 MR. DAUGHERTY: To me, that means the

18 manufacturer is the one who is to provide it.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. So some work needs to

20 be done there. Let's keep going. Pamela, you --

21 question on the table -- did you read the comment box?

22 MS. COSTELLO: Yeah. We're now on Issue 13,
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1 so any comments on non-standard shaft dimensions?

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Comments on non-standard shaft

3 dimensions? Okay. No comments?

4 MS. COSTELLO: Okay?

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes.

6 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. Moving on to vertical

7 electric motors, DOE does not feel definitions are

8 needed at this time for these motors, as there's no

9 industry confusion or ambiguity in whether an electric

10 motor is a vertical electric motor. However, DOE does

11 feel some testing clarification is necessary.

12 DOE is proposing to add the following testing

13 instructions. Electric motors, which are otherwise

14 designed to operate vertically, will be tested

15 horizontally. For solid-shaft motors, no further

16 adjustments are needed. However, for hollow-shaft

17 motors, DOE believes that an attached solid-shaft

18 extension is a feasible approach as long as the

19 attachment maintains sufficient clearance through the

20 drive end of the motor to enable the motor to be

21 attached to the dynamometer.

22 DOE does not anticipate that testing a
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1 vertical hollow-shaft motor in a horizontal

2 configuration would add undue testing burden when

3 compared to testing a solid-shaft vertical motor.

4 DOE also notes that they're declining to use

5 Test Method E for vertical motors. As the primary

6 difference between Test Method E and Test Method B is a

7 different method to calculate stray load losses, DOE is

8 concerned that Test Method E could produce results that

9 are inconsistent or inaccurate relative to testing

10 comparable motors under Test Method B.

11 At this time, DOE seeks comment on its

12 proposed instructions for dealing with the various

13 construction differences between vertical and

14 horizontal motors.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Rob.

16 MR. BOTELER: Yeah. I think if you go back

17 to the slide -- I think the one thing that I would

18 point out is where you say that it will be tested

19 horizontally. And John made the comment a minute ago

20 that some manufacturers do have vertical dynamometers,

21 so I think maybe it would be that they may be tested

22 horizontally and allow the use of the vertical
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1 dynamometer, certainly, that they're typically used for

2 manufacturers that

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Gary Fernstrom.

4 MR. BOTELER: Well, we're going to do

5 bearings next. Okay? We're not touching bearings

6 here.

7 MR. FERNSTROM: Okay. Gary Fernstrom, the

8 California IOUs. Rob just alluded to the question I

9 had. If we're going to require these vertical motors to

10 be tested horizontally, the bearing load is different.

11 So it seems to me there's the potential that you would

12 get a non-realistic test result.

13 So it seems to me, at a minimum, there ought

14 to be an option for testing them vertically, and, in

15 fact, if they're going to be used vertically, if

16 there's a systemic difference in the performance, they

17 ought to be tested the way they're going to be used, or

18 vertically.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: John, you want to comment?

20 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski, Baldor. I

21 guess I'm probably speaking on behalf of NEMA members

22 in this case. We've talked about these vertical, high-
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1 thrust motors before, regardless of whether they're

2 hollow-shaft or solid-shaft. The motors have bearings

3 in them that are designed for axial loading rather --

4 and we're going to get into some of that later. Issue

5 17 gets into this. We'll talk about it later.

6 But, you know, a lot of these testing

7 configurations get into what is allowed today. Some of

8 these larger motors have oil bath cooling for the

9 bearings, and we'd be taking out the angular contact

10 bearings and replacing them with conventional ball

11 bearings. We'd be taking out some of the shaft seals

12 and testing the motor without those. So, you know, the

13 motor would be tested in a -- quite a different

14 configuration than what it would be used in in the

15 field.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Yes, please, Ami?

17 MS. GRACE-TARDY: So the reason that we're

18 requiring the horizontal testing is, as you know by

19 statute, general purpose Subtype II are supposed to be

20 tested in a horizontal position, and we've carried that

21 through for this rulemaking as well. That's where

22 that's coming from.
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1 MR. MALINOWSKI: These are --

2 MS. GRACE-TARDY: I don't know if these are

3 Subtype II or where they would fall, but that's --

4 MR. MALINOWSKI: Yeah. John Malinowski

5 again. If we think a little bit outside the scope of

6 what Subtype II is today and look at what the proposed

7 coverage would be under the coalition petition, it's

8 not limited to just low-thrust, P-Base motors. It

9 would be all motors, and where the low-thrust motors

10 predominately are grease-cooled, a lot of them having

11 the thrust bearings on the shaft and the bottom part of

12 the motor, some of the others would be an oil bath13 cooled bearing that would be in the top.

14 And that would be most common in the hollow15 shaft motors, which are not covered at all under the

16 scope. The reason we test them horizontally is because

17 there's very few companies that actually have a

18 vertical dynamometer suited to test these types of

19 motors vertically.

20 And when we start talking about vertical

21 motors and such, in the industry, a vertical motor

22 could be a conventional C-face motor without a base on
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1 it. We might call that a vertical motor too. So we

2 need to be careful with some of our terminology when we

3 start talking about vertical motors.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Emmanuel?

5 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. I agree with

6 Rob to make provisions for horizontal testing, but

7 also, since we heard that some manufacturers have

8 vertical dynos, dynamometers, the use of M.E., it's

9 appropriate. But I think that in any case, testing them

10 in the horizontal position is consistent with the

11 previous, you know, vertical, solid-shaft motors that,

12 you know, have to be tested in horizontal position. I

13 don't see anything wrong with that.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

15 Final comments on this? Moving on.

16 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. DOE is aware that

17 further instructions may also be necessary for the

18 bearings on vertical motors. DOE proposes to add the

19 following testing instructions. For motor bearings

20 that can only operate vertically, and testing

21 horizontally would cause problems for the motor, a

22 testing laboratory should replace the thrust bearing
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1 with a standard bearing, which shall be interpreted as

2 a 6000 series, open, single-row, deep groove, radial

3 ball bearing.

4 For any motor with bearings that are capable

5 of operating properly when the motor is tested

6 horizontally, the motor should be tested as-is.

7 DOE requests comment regarding its proposed

8 approach to testing electric motors with bearings

9 capable of horizontal orientation. DOE also requests

10 comment on its proposed approach to testing electric

11 motors with bearings not capable of horizontal

12 orientation.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Rob?

14 MR. BOTELER: Rob Boteler with Nidec. NEMA

15 would agree with that.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

17 Additional comments? No additional -- yes,

18 Emmanuel?

19 DR. AGAMLOH: The language there with the

20 testing lab should replace the cross bearings with a

21 standard bearing. It is my opinion that some of the --

22 you know, for some of the vertical or, I would say,
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1 even a good number of the vertical, hollow-shaft motors

2 with even angular contact thrust bearings, you can

3 operate those motors within the horizontal position for

4 testing purposes. I'm not talking about, you know, you

5 know, actual use, which require the reliability, you

6 know, the impact that will have as a thrust load will

7 have on the longevity of these bearings.

8 For testing purposes, I think that you can

9 test some of these models with the bearings that they

10 are equipped with. And so the language should rather

11 be, you know, may or -- rather than should.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley?

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I'm just going to read a

14 little bit of the reg text, but I think that's -- you

15 hit the intent, right, that it's only if the unit under

16 test cannot be reoriented horizontally that we would

17 need to make modifications. So you would test it with

18 its regular bearings if it can be operated

19 horizontally, but if it can't, then you need to switch

20 something out. Okay?

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Okay. Additional --

22 yes, Roger.
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1 FEMALE SPEAKER: We all agree.

2 MALE SPEAKER: Maybe not.

3 FEMALE SPEAKER: He said NEMA agrees.

4 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. I don't

5 think I commented on this one yet. No, I was just

6 looking through the reg language, and 4.7 certainly

7 deals with vertical motors where the bearings are

8 incapable of horizontal operation, and in the

9 discussion, of course, we're trying to cover those

10 where it is capable of horizontal operation.

11 I don't recall seeing the language in the reg

12 that provides the inference that a vertical motor,

13 where it can be successfully tested horizontally, shall

14 be tested horizontally. I --

15 MS. ARMSTRONG: Well --

16 MR. DAUGHERTY: I only see the one case. I

17 try to interpret the other case, but I don't know where

18 I find it.

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: Okay. I mean, it just says

20 "Vertical electric motors and electric motors with

21 thrust-bearing shall be tested in the horizontal

22 configuration," period. And then there's an -- but I
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1 see what you're saying.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah.

3 MR. DAUGHERTY: Yeah, Roger Daugherty.

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: I get it.

5 MR. DAUGHERTY: That's not the title of the

6 subject. Okay.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Specificity. Okay. We've got

8 it. That last comment was from Ashley, and then,

9 finally, Roger. Okay. Now we're moving on, yes.

10 MS. COSTELLO: Now, moving on to the topic of

11 sleeve bearings, on this topic, DOE has consulted test

12 labs, subject matter experts, and manufacturers and

13 tentatively determined that sleeve bearings do not

14 significantly degrade efficiency when compared to

15 spherical radial ball bearings.

16 DOE also does not believe it is any more

17 difficult to attach a motor with sleeve bearings to a

18 dynamometer than a standard general purpose motor

19 equipped with radial ball bearings. For this reason,

20 motors with sleeve bearings will be tested as-is. DOE

21 requests comments on its decision not to propose

22 additional test procedure clarifications for motors
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1 with sleeve bearings or a definition for these motor

2 types. DOE also requests comment regarding the effect

3 of sleeve bearings on a motor's tested efficiency.

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: Everyone agrees.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. No comments?

6 Rob, go ahead.

7 MR. BOTELER: Yeah, Rob Boteler with Nidec.

8 NEMA would agree with Item 20 and 21.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Always try to make

10 sure -- additional comments, if there are any? None.

11 Okay.

12 MS. COSTELLO: Okay. I'm going to pass off

13 to Brian Coffey now. Thank you.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

15 MR. COFFEY: This is Brian Coffey with

16 Navigant. I think we are getting to the end here, so

17 I'm going to go through motor definitions and testing

18 instructions. I think there are four of these.

19 First up is immersible electric motors. DOE

20 proposes to adopt the following definition. An

21 immersible means an electric motor primarily designed

22 to operate continuously in free air, but is capable of
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1 withstanding complete immersion in liquid for a

2 continuous period of no less than 30 minutes.

3 DOE requests comment on its proposed

4 definition for immersible electric motor, especially

5 with regards to differentiating this motor type from

6 liquid-cooled electric and submersible electric motors.

7 We talked a little bit about this earlier.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Emmanuel?

9 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. The no less

10 than 30 minutes, it's good for testing purposes, for

11 the current definition, which is -- I'm not quite sure

12 if it is good for this particular definition because it

13 doesn't seem to impose, you know -- it looks like you

14 can put it in liquid indefinitely. And I think there

15 is some need for clarification here.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: There should be an upper

17 limit?

18 MALE SPEAKER: Could be in liquid --

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah?

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. Why would it need to

21 be?

22 MR. deLASKI: This is a covered -- this is
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1 Andrew. This is a covered motor, not an exempted

2 motor, so you wouldn't --

3 MALE SPEAKER: Covered.

4 MR. deLASKI: Right?

5 MR. BROOKMAN: John Malinowski.

6 MR. MALINOWSKI: Yeah. John Malinowski,

7 Baldor. You know, these are motors that are designed to

8 run in a dry pit, and when a flood occurs, the motor,

9 you know, gets immersed in water, and it shuts down.

10 It may sit in that immersed condition for a couple

11 weeks before the flood recedes, and then it has to

12 operate afterwards.

13 So our product, you know, says 14 days on it,

14 is what we sort of talk about as far as its life in

15 immersion. You have moisture detectors. It shuts the

16 motor off when it senses water, so it does not operate

17 while immersed. It differentiates it from a

18 submersible motor.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Can you --

20 MR. MALINOWSKI: This is more like a -- you

21 would look at it and say it looks like a TEFC motor.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Are there revisions -- would
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1 you add or subtract words from this definition?

2 MR. BASSO: No less than 14 days?

3 MR. MALINOWSKI: I'm not sure the time of

4 immersion is even relevant.

5 MR. BASSO: John, the only caution is you've

6 got a submersible motor that's rated continuous --

7 MR. MALINOWSKI: Right.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Hey, Dale?

9 MR. BASSO: You don't want that --

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Hey, Dale? Go to a microphone

11 and say that on the record.

12 MR. BASSO: Okay. Yeah. I guess a

13 distinction we do need to make is there is such a thing

14 as a submersible motor rated continuous in air, and

15 it's really there so that it can run in air or submerge

16 and back to air, where the immersible motor is kind of

17 a one- time submersion before it has to be rebuilt or

18 repaired. So it's able to be submersed for a shorter

19 period of time and not a continuous operation in the

20 immersed condition.

21 So I guess I'm not exactly sure, but I think

22 we need to add something to the definition to be able
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1 to distinguish between the immersible and the

2 continuous in air submersible. I guess NEMA will add

3 to this and get back to you in comments.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Okay. Thank you.

5 Thanks to NEMA for clarifying. Additional comments

6 here before we move on?

7 MR. COFFEY: Great. So more on immersible

8 motors -- this is with test instructions. DOE proposes

9 to adopt the following. Contact seals will not be

10 removed during testing, but DOE will allow for a run-in

11 period of a maximum of 10 hours prior to performing

12 IEEE Standard 112, Test Method B.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: John Malinowski.

14 MR. MALINOWSKI: I'll be the bad guy again.

15 John Malinowski. I guess I'm talking on behalf of NEMA

16 again. We had an ex parte meeting yesterday and passed

17 around some different types of seals. And there was a

18 seal -- a couple different types of seals that we saw.

19 What this could be is a ceramic seal with a spring on

20 it. That thing could run forever and never wear in.

21 The other type of seal would be a lip seal.

22 The sealing we use on our motor has back-to-back lip
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1 seals with a grease labyrinth in the middle to keep

2 water from coming in, and ten hours isn't going to do

3 anything there. You're talking several hundred hours

4 before you would do anything.

5 And with it in a grease bath, it's really not

6 going to wear. So it's going to have a high amount of

7 friction on the sheaves and probably would never wear

8 enough. It's a case like any of the other motors that

9 we have that are covered, but we should be allowed to

10 remove seals for efficiency testing.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional comments on

12 contact seals?

13 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso. I just would

14 be curious why this statement is put in there when

15 normally all the other type motors are allowed to

16 remove seals. Should we not just delete this from the

17 requirement?

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: This is our proposal. You

20 can certainly recommend. We did propose this

21 specifically, though.

22 MR. BASSO: Why?
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1 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think you just explained

2 it, right, that if they never wear in, they have an

3 impact on the efficiency. So the question, then,

4 becomes should that additional loss because of the

5 seals that never weigh in, be reflected to the

6 purchaser?

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Dale.

8 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso. I think the

9 issue is that's true of all seals that might never wear

10 in, and the reason they were removed is because the

11 focus of this is the electrical design. It's a

12 relative issue of from the standard efficient design to

13 the NEMA premium design, you still make those same

14 steps for motors with or without seals, and you get

15 that relative improvement.

16 So it's -- we can make that comment back to

17 you again on this, but it really hasn't changed from

18 the rest of the motors.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Andrew.

20 MR. deLASKI: And this is Andrew, and this

21 kind of goes to the Motor Coalition's basic

22 recommendation, which was that we have a level, Table
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1 12?12, that applies to the vast majority of motors that

2 meet the basic definition of electric motor that we

3 talked about earlier today. So if you're going to have

4 a standard for seals, you'd have to figure out what

5 that standard was, right? And it would be different

6 than 12.12 because it has an efficiency impact.

7 So this kind of starts to break the basic

8 framework that we outlined in our petition. So to me,

9 it strikes me as -- and then to the point that Dale

10 made, that, you know, the user -- the NEMA nominal

11 efficiency is -- the motors are operated in the field

12 in conditions that depart from NEMA nominal efficiency.

13 So, you know, the fact that that motor has a

14 different performance in the field than what's on the

15 nameplate is true for almost every motor that's being

16 used in the field. So to me, that's not a

17 determinative factor that therefore I can't -- you

18 know, that the standards be different. So it's one

19 piece of information for the consumer. It's not the

20 determinative piece of information.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: John Malinowski.

22 MR. MALINOWSKI: Again, this is a comment on
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1 shaft seals in general. It's common practice for IEC

2 motors to have a lip seal on pretty much anything.

3 Most of their motors are totally enclosed, fan-cooled.

4 They don't build open motors commonly in the sizes that

5 you talk about. And they have a lip seal on the shaft

6 end.

7 So, you know, our -- that would differentiate

8 them from NEMA frame motors, where we don't use a lip

9 seal as standard. We would perhaps use -- you saw the

10 V- ring slinger that is a non-contact seal, and a lot

11 of our motors use that labyrinth seal, that bronze seal

12 that is a non-contact device.

13 Neither of those has any frictional losses to

14 the motor. The only time we would use lip seals is

15 really in the presence of liquids and such that may be

16 in a motor design for sanitation, a wash-down style

17 motor used in the food industry, and even in some of

18 those, we're getting away from lip seals and going to

19 non- contact seals.

20 You know, it's a further differentiation

21 between NEMA motors and IEC motors. My experience with

22 our colleagues at ABB is that they test the motor
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1 without the lip seal attached for efficiency, and then

2 those are attached at final assembly before shipment.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

4 Rob?

5 MR. BOTELER: So with John -- this is Rob

6 Boteler. With John's last comments, so in the, you

7 know, trying to stay with global harmonization, which,

8 you know, there's certain folks on the Hill that want

9 us to do that, we would recommend that we remove the

10 seals.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

12 MR. COFFEY: Okay. So that takes us through

13 immersible motors, and now we're on to brake motors.

14 For integral brake electric motors, DOE proposes to

15 adopt the following. Integral brake electric motor

16 means an electric motor containing a brake mechanism

17 either inside of the motor endshield or between the

18 motor fan and endshield.

19 DOE requests comment on that definition.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Dale?

21 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso. I think --

22 what you just said -- I'm not reading. So you said not
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1 -- you said it includes it whether it's inside the

2 endshield or between the fan, and this says "but not

3 between the fan and motor endshield."

4 FEMALE SPEAKER: That's non-integral.

5 MR. BASSO: Oh, I'm looking at non-integral.

6 Never mind.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

8 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. The

9 definition here is it's proposed -- particularly the

10 part that says that the brake mechanism may be inside

11 of the motor endshield. I don't know how much an issue

12 that gets to be as to what the phrase "inside of the

13 endshield" means, if that total brake mechanism somehow

14 must be actually part of -- within the endshield, you

15 take the endshield off, you removed all those parts.

16 Perhaps a more encompassing language is

17 somehow to refer that the brake parts may be within the

18 frame enclosure. So regardless of where they are

19 within the frame enclosure, then there's no issue

20 relative to the endshield. And then, of course, the

21 rest of the definition, that it could also be external

22 to the frame enclosure, but between the motor fan and
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1 endshield. And just recognize that there's more than

2 one endshield in --

3 MR. BROOKMAN: John, follow on?

4 MR. MALINOWSKI: Yeah. I -- John Malinowski,

5 Baldor. This is assuming that you're using a TEFC

6 motor, and you could clearly have an open motor or a

7 TENV motor. When we talked -- last week, we talked

8 about the idea of in an integral brake motor, that the

9 brake mechanism would be somehow embedded or as part of

10 one of the endplates of the motor.

11 I'm thinking of a design that we have that

12 has the brake external to the motor body, but the brake

13 coil itself is embedded as part of the casting of the

14 endplate. And then we have some versions of that that

15 are TENV and others that have a fan external to that

16 and a fan cover.

17 We've got another version that is a

18 conventional C-face on the tail end of the motor, and a

19 bolt-on brake external to the motor is used, but then

20 we have the C -- or the TEFC fan and such mounts to the

21 housing of the brake so it's sandwiched between the

22 brake and the motor. I mean, it's the same brake we
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1 would use in a brake motor where it might be mounted to

2 the fan cover, but we mount it to the motor and

3 sandwich it between the TEFC fan and the motor body.

4 That motor could not be run separately

5 without the brake or the fan on it, so we consider that

6 an integral brake motor, even though it differs from

7 the idea of the break being an integral part of the

8 endplate.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: So we're looking for revisions

10 to the language, if we can get it here.

11 MR. MALINOWSKI: NEMA will have to clarify

12 this.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

14 Gary Fernstrom.

15 MR. FERNSTROM: Gary Fernstrom, California

16 IOUs.

17 A question for industry: does this class of

18 motor have a mechanical brake, or how are motors that

19 have an electrical braking mechanism accommodated in

20 terms of definition here?

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Dan, you want to give us --

22 respond to that?
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1 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit. So

2 what I gather from your question is the construction.

3 So most of these brakes, whether integral or non4 integral, are -- as John Malinowski pointed out, an

5 electromechanical brake. Essentially a coil, when

6 energized, releases the brake. When power's removed,

7 it energizes the brake. It's not a dynamic brake,

8 typically. It's a static brake. It's a holding brake.

9 MR. FERNSTROM: Thank you.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

11 MR. COFFEY: Okay, great. Moving on, test

12 instructions for integral brake electric motors. DOE

13 proposes the following. The brake mechanism will stay

14 attached during motor testing, but will be powered

15 externally while performing IEEE Standard 112, Test

16 Method B. DOE requests comments on that.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: No comments here?

18 Emmanuel.

19 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. I think

20 that's a good approach.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

22 Roger?
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1 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty, just to

2 point out that this may become a similar issue as I

3 believe Andrew referred to on the seals, that if these

4 brake components remain in place, then any friction and

5 windage loss associated with those components during

6 the testing may affect the efficiency.

7 And so whether or not, if you're proposing

8 efficiency standards with the brake parts in place,

9 that those standards may need to be different for

10 integral brake motors than for dissembled or electrical

11 design that does not have the brake components in it.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

13 Final comments on this? Moving on.

14 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Non-integral brake

15 motors. Definition lies to -- DOE proposes to adopt the

16 following. Non-integral brake motor -- non-integral

17 brake electric motor, excuse me, means an electric

18 motor containing a brake mechanism outside of the

19 endshield, but not between the motor fan and endshield.

20 DOE requests comment on that proposed

21 definition.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger?
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1 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. In some of

2 the previous comments -- and, again, looking at this

3 idea of -- we're trying to define a lot of things with

4 respect to endshield, and perhaps at least the first

5 part of the definition that may be more appropriate,

6 that the brake mechanism is outside of the frame

7 enclosure.

8 So that sort of takes care of it not being

9 anywhere within the basic frame enclosure of the motor,

10 rather than just trying to refer to it as outside of an

11 endshield.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Dan?

13 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal Beloit. And

14 just to add on to what Roger said, by reading this --

15 and this is a question, if DOE can clarify -- I would

16 read that as if I have a sandwiched brake, a through17 hole brake that passes the motor shaft from the back

18 endshield, opposite drive end endshield, through the

19 brake, now I'm connecting my opposite end TEFC fan to

20 that. I read that as that would not be covered; is

21 that correct?

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Why would it not be covered?
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1 MR. DELANEY: But not between the motor fan

2 and endshield, but that would be located between the

3 motor fan and endshield. The description of the brake,

4 I mentioned.

5 MALE SPEAKER: (Inaudible).

6 MR. DELANEY: Okay.

7 MALE SPEAKER: (Inaudible) go back to the

8 same -- earlier definition. Yeah. Yeah.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Here.

10 MALE SPEAKER: Outside --

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Just right here, right? Yeah.

12 Ashley, use your microphone.

13 MALE SPEAKER: This is not an untypical

14 construction. I was not going to say typical, but that

15 --

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Wait. Here, wait a second.

17 MS. ARMSTRONG: (Inaudible).

18 MALE SPEAKER: Let's call this the drive and

19 endshield. Okay? This is the opposite drive-end.

20 Then they have a shaft coming through. We have what's

21 called -- there's a C-face that comes on the back, but

22 through shaft brake. It looks like we have a fan.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Dan's drawing a

2 picture. For those of you that are online, Dan --

3 MALE SPEAKER: Tell us what you've got.

4 MR. DELANEY: So what I've drawn, just

5 essentially, is a motor. And on the opposite drive end

6 -- it's a TEFC motor. On the opposite drive end, we

7 have a standard, let's say, opposite drive end shaft

8 before our TEFC motor, which has a shift coming through

9 the opposite drive end endshield that goes through a

10 through hole brake and then -- so that's a -- passes

11 through -- there are brakes that actually have an

12 extended shaft to, so there are other methods of having

13 when the clutches engage an outboard shaft.

14 But there's also through-hole brakes as well,

15 and then a fan is just -- is on, either the motor shaft

16 or the shaft, of the outboard brake. The through-hole

17 brake is a style that is available. So the way I read

18 the definition -- I don't see the issue number here,

19 but anyway, the definition of this non-integral brake,

20 this construction would not be covered. And that was

21 the question, just for clarification.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: No, no, no, no.
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1 MR. DELANEY: Yeah. Just to clarify, this

2 would be a third-party constructed brake, not -- I

3 understand whether it's by manufacturer or not, but

4 this brake here is typically a brake bought by a third5 party manufacturer of brakes. Got the same kind of

6 static holding brake.

7 MR. MALINOWSKI: The brake I've got like that

8 --

9 MR. BROOKMAN: John Malinowski, get your

10 microphone on.

11 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski. The brake

12 design that we would have in that respect is the same

13 diameter as the motor body. So it would be a bigger

14 diameter, and the fan cover doesn't attach to the motor

15 body, it attaches to the brake. Okay?

16 So it's like that, and we've always treated

17 that as a non-covered product because I can't take the

18 brake off of that and run it as a TEFC motor alone,

19 whereas the one thing you've not covered under this

20 Issue Number 7 is you keep going back to fan and

21 endshield, and that ties you to a TEFC motor. If it's

22 TENV, I take the brake off, it's still a standard
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1 motor, and it should be covered, or if it's an open

2 drip-proof motor and I take the brake off, it's still a

3 general purpose-style motor.

4 So the configuration that Dan is showing

5 there with the brake in between there, where we've

6 mounted the fan and such to the motor, you know, that's

7 not going to work as a general purpose motor if the

8 brake were removed.

9 You're -- in both cases, you're not

10 addressing TENV or open motors. You keep tying things

11 together with fans and endshields, and that's kind of a

12 error.

13 MR. DELANEY: So Dan Delaney from Regal.

14 Just to clarify again, I don't disagree with what

15 John's saying, that if you remove the assembly that's

16 back here, which hence then removes the shaft and the

17 fan cover, makes that not the intended construction

18 that could be tested, so understood.

19 The construction that's being shown here, the

20 brake could be removed, or it could be left there and

21 should not affect any performance, whether cooling or,

22 obviously, the intent of the operation of the motor, so
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2 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yes?

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: No, we're good.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

5 Dale.

6 MR. BASSO: This is Dale Basso. The drawing

7 that you put up there exactly fits the definition of

8 integral brake motor that was defined here. If you

9 look at -- if you reread it, the definition -- because

10 I misread the wrong one the first time, but the

11 integral brake motor covers exactly that construction

12 of the brake being between the fan and the bracket.

13 So it would be, then, the proposed test.

14 Currently that would be considered a non-covered

15 product. Assuming that it gets covered in the new

16 definition, then the test method would be separately

17 powering that brake, because if you did take that brake

18 off, it does affect the airflow over the motor, and it

19 does affect the cooling.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Final comments?

21 John Malinowski.

22 MR. MALINOWSKI: I guess I'm just still
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1 concerned that we need to go back and review the

2 definitions in both cases here so that we encompass

3 TENV motors and open drip-proof motors --

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

5 MR. MALINOWSKI: -- because neither would

6 have an external fan.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

8 MR. MALINOWSKI: NEMA will help you with some

9 comments there, I think.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. The Department's

11 looking forward to receiving those.

12 MR. COFFEY: Okay, great. Now we're -- that

13 brings us to partial electric motors. We got into this

14 a little bit in the context of component sets, but for

15 this purpose, DOE is proposing the following

16 definition. Partial electric motor means an assembly of

17 motor components necessitating the addition of no more

18 than two endshields, including bearings, to create an

19 operable motor. For the purpose of this definition,

20 the term "operable motor" means performing in

21 accordance with the applicable nameplate ratings.

22 MR. COFFEY: So DOE requests comment on this
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1 proposed definition.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

3 MR. MALINOWSKI: John Malinowski. I think we

4 need to -- NEMA needs to help you define the difference

5 between partial electric motor and component set. This

6 two endshields business goes back to the comments we

7 had earlier, where if I've got to add two endshields, I

8 think in most of our minds, that would mean that this

9 is probably a component set. A component set could be

10 a stator and rotor, or it could include, in some cases,

11 a motor housing.

12 Partial electric motor, I think, in most of

13 our minds, has one endplate and bearing on one end, and

14 the other end is designed to fit up to a gearbox or a

15 compressor or a pump or some other device and may or

16 may not have a bearing on that end, but certainly does

17 not have an endshield.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

19 Alex?

20 MR. BOESENBERG: This is Alex Boesenberg with

21 NEMA. I have a question about integral brake motors

22 that I wanted to ask. I'll wait until they finish the
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1 conversation on this slide.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Yeah, I think we're done with

3 this slide, if you're ready.

4 MR. BOESENBERG: Yes, thank you. Regarding

5 Slide -- let me find it -- Slides 42 -- no, wait.

6 Well, regarding the DOE's position on integral brake

7 motors, on the Federal Register Notice, or the NOPR,

8 Page 38467, the DOE notes that the Motor Coalition

9 suggests to do the challenges of testing integral brake

10 motors, that they not be covered because of friction

11 and windage losses, differences in design, and what

12 could result in a wide variety of performance of those

13 products.

14 The DOE responds there in Column 3, in the

15 top half of the page: "Well, we tested two of them, and

16 we think it's okay." Could the DOE further outline

17 that position, why two is an appropriate sample size?

18 MR. COFFEY: That's DOE's beginning of an

19 attempt to explore the issue and wish to present the

20 data, which in this case showed that there wasn't an

21 appreciable difference, and, you know, that's what it's

22 putting out there for comment right now. Certainly one
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1 could do more testing, but this is what's out for

2 comment.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Final comments on this?

4 Ashley?

5 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I think it depends on

6 which table you're looking at because we tested them in

7 different configurations when we were trying to come up

8 with our proposed method. But if you go -- you can

9 look at the variety of different ones, but if you go to

10 Table 3-5, which is actually on the next page that Alex

11 -- that shows when we tested with the brake removed,

12 which is what you guys were advocating, versus with the

13 brake powered separately on the two integral and the

14 one not integral.

15 And you can see that our efficiency results

16 were what I would say comparable. Recognizing this is

17 a limited dataset, so we do welcome your data and

18 feedback at this time, but we did do some independent

19 testing there.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Let's move on.

21 MR. COFFEY: Okay. So then that brings us to

22 the test instructions for partial electric motors. DOE
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1 proposes the following instructions. Testing

2 laboratories will obtain an endplate from the

3 manufacturer of the motor and test with that endplate

4 in place. If bearings are also needed, then standard

5 bearings should be used, which should be interpreted as

6 a 6000 series, open, single-row, deep groove, radial

7 ball bearing.

8 DOE requests comment on its proposal for

9 testing these partial electric motors.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Roger Daugherty.

11 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. This

12 testing requirements also includes the mandatory

13 requirement that the manufacturer be supplying an

14 appropriate endshield for testing. Again, take the

15 case of a company that may be making an -- that's --

16 let's say a integral gear motor and that you separate

17 the motors section from the gearbox so you now

18 essentially have a partial motor, and now you want to

19 put an endplate on it, but that manufacturer has no

20 experience of manufacturing any standard nameplate --

21 or endshields for that product because his product is

22 not sold with standard endshields. So it puts an onus
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1 on that manufacturer to come up with that standard

2 endshield.

3 The other that's not noted here in the

4 presentation, but is the first sentence in the proposed

5 language of the test procedure, that the partial

6 electric motor shall be disconnected from their mated

7 piece of equipment.

8 This sort of precludes any investigation

9 where you may just obtain the partial motor itself,

10 that there's a likelihood that someone may -- is

11 shipping around just partial motors. And so what you

12 may come across and want to investigate is a partial

13 motor, so it won't actually be mated to anything when

14 you obtain it.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

16 MR. MALINOWSKI: One of the other things that

17 we might correct in these is when we're saying we're

18 adding a 6000 series open, single-row, deep groove,

19 radial ball bearing. We probably don't want to use an

20 open ball bearing because that won't keep the grease

21 in. You probably want a shielded bearing in both cases

22 where we talk about this.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

2 MR. MALINOWSKI: And, obviously, an open

3 bearing, when you would get it, does not have any

4 grease in it. So that would be a particular problem.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Emmanuel.

6 DR. AGAMLOH: Emmanuel Agamloh. Yeah, I had

7 a similar concern with that; not only that, but also if

8 you specify open bearings, then the -- maybe the lab or

9 whoever is going to test it has to grease it, and

10 there's a possibility of over-greasing, which may, you

11 know, excessively increase their losses. So I think

12 sealed or shielded bearings should be appropriate for

13 this.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you.

15 MALE SPEAKER: (Inaudible) shielded.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Shielded. Okay. So

17 moving on.

18 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Moving on. And this

19 takes us to motors requiring general clarification.

20 It's our last section, and there's only one of these,

21 so let's get through it. These are electric motors

22 with non-standard bases, feet or mounting
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1 configurations. DOE believes that non-standard

2 mounting feet present no additional testing issues that

3 require clarification. Test labs can adjust the test

4 benches as applicable for the unit being tested to

5 accommodate those feet.

6 And DOE's position is that feet, base and

7 configuration do not affect the tested efficiency

8 friction, windage losses, or any rotating elements of

9 the motor and instead the feet base and configuration

10 affect only how a motor is physically installed in a

11 piece of equivalent.

12 So DOE seeks comment on its instruction for

13 testing these motors with non-standard bases, feet, and

14 mounting configurations and also on any other testing

15 difficulties that may arise from testing electric

16 motors with non-standard base feet or mounting

17 configurations.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Comments? Any comments on

19 non- standard bases, feet, and mounting configurations?

20 No comments? Okay.

21 MR. COFFEY: So we heard a lot of good

22 comments today. Of course, we'll want to receive these
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1 in writing. The options are either by email, post, or

2 if it's urgent or you have a flair for the dramatic,

3 courier. Comment period runs until September 9th of

4 this year at 11:59, at which point it will turn into a

5 pumpkin.

6 Okay. So closing remarks and questions, and

7 that's all we had.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes. Roger Daugherty first.

9 MR. DAUGHERTY: Roger Daugherty. So today

10 we've gone through quite a few definitions. I can make

11 the observation that most of these terms that are being

12 defined are partially maybe attributable to the

13 coalition petition that was submitted. And that

14 petition was based upon having observed, from the

15 policy statement that DOE issued in 1997, what it

16 identified as definite purpose and special purpose

17 motors and were therefore exempted up to this date that

18 we are now considering to include.

19 In this new paragraph in this note in

20 Appendix B, a reference is made to those definite

21 purpose and special purpose motors for which DOE has

22 provided definitions. If I look at the definitions as
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1 we just went through them today, I would not be aware

2 that a TENV motor, as it's defined, is either definite

3 purpose or a special purpose motor. The policy

4 statement has been removed. Appendix A to Subpart B is

5 being removed from the code. So I have no point of

6 reference to make the interpretations as to the actual

7 intent of these definitions and how they apply.

8 And so I think we need some -- what I'd like

9 to see is that that policy statement be re-put back in

10 to the code with appropriate modifications as necessary

11 to identify these types of motors, electric motors for

12 which you've now provided definitions, but you provide

13 them as being definite purpose or special purpose

14 machines.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. As was

16 promised at the outset, an opportunity for anybody that

17 wants to to make closing remarks, especially any issues

18 that you think were not covered sufficiently. Bill?

19 MR. FINLEY: Yeah. Bill Finley. I'd like to

20 make one comment, going back on the bearings -- this is

21 not a closing remarks, but basically on the bearing

22 itself, when you talk about shielded versus open
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1 bearings, I just want people to be aware that if you go

2 shielded, it's very possible it'll take weeks or months

3 to break in so the losses are down to what you normally

4 see in operations, so you have to be concerned about

5 that, where typically we use an open bearing, but if

6 you use a shielded bearing, you're going to have to

7 make sure you run it in long enough that the losses

8 drop down to a normal level.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: I thought the original

10 language was open.

11 MR. FINLEY: It is normal, but we brought a

12 shield that popped in here for just a second.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: I see. John, use the

14 microphone.

15 MR. MALINOWSKI: Sorry. John Malinowski.

16 The comment was to change open to something else

17 because one of these simple fabricated endplates is not

18 going to have any grease retention capability, unless

19 that gets designed in, and that may be difficult to do

20 on an ad hoc kind of an endplate.

21 You know, if we can give you an endplate that

22 has a grease retainer in it, a bearing cap on it
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1 that'll hold the grease in place, you know, that would

2 certainly be the best thing to use with an open

3 bearing. But if we cannot, you know, there's not going

4 to be a way of keeping grease in the bearing long

5 enough to run a test.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Bill?

7 MR. FINLEY: Yeah. Bill Finley. And I agree

8 with that comment. There is conditions where you may

9 need to use a shielded bearing, but you have to beware.

10 The run-in time is quite extensive. And so,

11 preferably, the open bearing would be the better

12 solution, except for where you have circumstances where

13 you can't retain the grease, and then we'd have to work

14 this out, but then some additional, longer testing

15 would be required.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Okay. Closing remarks?

17 Yes, Dan?

18 MR. DELANEY: Dan Delaney, Regal. Just a few

19 comments. I wanted to add kind of a collection of some

20 things we were talking about. First item, we talked

21 about IEC Design N and some of its criteria. Some of

22 the activities that Bill Finley represents, that's on
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1 the IEC Committee, is some development similar to IEC -

2 - or, I'm sorry, our NEMA Design A limits, where you

3 have locked- rotor currents that can exceed. Maybe

4 you'd meet the same locked-rotor torque levels, but you

5 have a much higher inrush of locked-rotor current

6 level.

7 In that case, technically, I guess, that

8 would fall out of the scope of any of our requirements.

9 Maybe we want to have that addressed somehow in some of

10 the scope and the Design N. If it falls outside of

11 that, it would be a very easy way for a loophole, let's

12 say, for that to fall out in a Design N.

13 Second note I wanted to add, as I mentioned

14 earlier, on behalf of NEMA, we do feel that it is

15 relevant to add an alternate test plan per the IEC,

16 their IEC 60034-2-1. Industry accepts this as an

17 equivalent test method. There are very slight

18 differences in the test method, but it has been

19 industry accepted, and I think that would go a long way

20 in adding the IEC design letters to that, adding that

21 as yet a third equivalent test method.

22 And then, lastly, some of the definitions, as
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1 Roger pointed out, are very good, very good steps in

2 the right direction to try to improve these. One thing

3 that we also see as some of the challenges and

4 definitions, stepping back into the small electric

5 motor rule, it would be very helpful for us to either

6 extend some of those definitions there or to revisit

7 some of the definition aspects of that, either through

8 a test procedure rule or other method as well through

9 small electric motor. We certainly would like to

10 engage with that as well. Thank you.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Other

12 comments here as we move towards closure? Okay.

13 Nothing additional. So then let me turn it back to

14 Ashley Armstrong for closing remarks. And for my part,

15 I'll thank all of you. We've covered a lot of ground

16 here very efficiently and some rather complicated

17 stuff, so thanks to all of you. The disclosure, the

18 level of direct communication was excellent. Thank

19 you.

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: Well, I'm just going to thank

21 everyone for coming. Have safe travels home, for those

22 going far away and near. And we look forward to
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119:1 133:12

162:3

labyrinth 139:1

142:11

lacking 69:16

Ladonne 3:10 8:10

44:3,10 77:8

105:18 106:12

107:7,9,14 111:7

119:17

language 15:17,22

16:4 41:9 51:16

54:5 85:5,13,17

89:9 90:6,17

91:10 95:22

97:10,13 105:16

106:15,17

111:10,14,16

122:14,15

130:19 131:10

132:6,11 144:16

146:10 160:5

165:10

large 63:4 96:11

118:19 119:2

larger 23:12 72:18

118:22 121:5

127:8

last 19:15 21:6

49:11 52:5 56:8

63:14 75:18 78:2

82:13 84:19

97:16 103:20

115:20 116:15

121:12 133:8

143:6 145:7

161:20

lastly 167:22

late 82:9

later 23:17 30:7

34:4 38:7 41:10

109:18 121:10

127:4,5

lathe 110:14

latter 34:3

law 92:4

Lawrence 3:8 9:7

lay 16:10

laying 22:19

lays 82:19

leading 117:1

learn 62:18

least 25:22 86:19

106:5 112:21

118:14 149:4

leave 35:14 86:21

leaves 106:21

length 121:16

less 15:6 32:17

40:13 42:22 45:6

135:2,9 137:2

let's 6:2 26:4 30:12

41:2 54:2 62:15

72:1 83:12,13

84:2 99:2,7

110:13,16

123:20 150:18

151:7 158:20

159:16 161:21

167:11

letter 79:21

letters 80:1 167:20

level 20:19 72:7

81:9 105:8

140:22 165:8

167:6 168:18

levels 25:4 26:1

167:4

lie 86:8,10

lies 148:15

life 136:14

lifted 78:20

light 19:3 84:8

106:15

likelihood 160:10

likely 79:9

limit 11:8 26:21

135:17

limitations 59:6

limited 13:3 57:20

76:13,14 128:8

158:17

limits 25:8 167:2

Lin 3:11 9:17

74:16,20

75:2,4,8

Linda 4:8 10:1

line 15:5 38:13

48:22 57:18 73:8

74:12 116:9

lines 44:4 115:10

lip 138:21,22

142:2,5,8,14,18

143:1

liquid 33:22 34:8

35:2,5,15

36:4,5,12,13,15,
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liquid-cooled

27:19 31:2 33:21

34:2,7,12 37:8

135:6

liquid-filled 34:21

35:14

liquids 142:15

liquid's 36:6

list 16:14 57:4

listed 21:20 27:2,3

listening 12:9

listing 59:3

little 6:21 14:16,18

35:11 78:16 82:9

109:19 112:2,4

119:12 128:5

131:14 135:7

155:14

LLC 2:8 3:10

4:3,4,5 8:11

load 40:13 42:21

57:21 72:17 97:4

103:6 125:7

126:10 131:6

loaded 62:17

loading 127:3

locally 104:2

located 150:2

locked 42:19 51:7

167:3

locked-rotor

25:4,7 40:6,10

41:15 42:1,14

46:8 49:1

167:4,5

locks 54:22

long 17:13 102:6

109:8 110:2

124:18 165:7

166:4 167:19

longer 18:15 93:1

166:14

longevity 131:7

loophole 66:9,13

167:11

loses 59:3

loss 35:10 140:4

148:5

losses 117:17

118:3 125:7

142:13 157:11

161:11 162:8

165:3,7

lot 19:5 33:14 49:4

68:1 82:1 92:7

96:19 97:7

111:13 120:1

127:6 128:10

142:10 149:3

162:21 168:15

lots 115:10

loudly 30:13

Louis 8:2

lower 25:3

low-thrust 128:8,9

Lucas 2:6 8:18

M

M.E 129:8

machine 34:10

35:2 96:21,22

99:17 109:16

110:17,18,19

machines 35:6

121:5 164:14

magnet 74:18

75:10

magnetic 117:16

main 50:1

maintaining 57:14

maintains 124:19

majority 30:22

64:16 141:1

MALE 74:22

80:16 88:16,21

98:7 114:20

132:2 135:18

136:3

150:5,7,10,13,18

151:3 161:15

Malinowski 3:12

7:20 23:5,7 24:9

32:8 52:12 54:16

58:18 71:16 73:4

94:10 95:4 96:9

98:22 101:6

103:1,2 108:4,12

118:8 120:6,19

126:20 128:1,4

136:5,6,20

137:3,7

138:13,14,15

141:21,22 145:4

146:11 147:4

152:7,9,11

154:21,22

155:5,8 156:3

160:16 161:2

165:15

Management 8:3

mandatory

90:6,9,17,21

91:2

122:17,20,22

123:2 159:12

manner 35:2

45:18 103:15

manufacture

93:21 105:3

manufactured

28:1

manufacturer

19:21 22:9 88:3

93:9,18,21

94:1,12 95:15

99:6,13,15

100:18,20

103:18

104:20,22 105:1

111:4 113:1

115:19

117:9,10,21

118:10 119:12

122:17

123:15,18

152:3,5

159:3,13,19

160:1

manufacturers

66:5 67:6 69:13

93:17 103:22

106:22 114:15

121:15 125:20

126:2 129:7

133:12

manufacturer's

88:5 96:1

Manufacturers

2:11 3:6 7:6

manufacturing

159:20

mark 19:21 70:21

marked 20:19

72:10 73:2

marketplace 67:7

marking 67:4 68:3

markings 25:17
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matches 118:1

mated 160:6,13

material 35:5

93:10,20

101:7,9,14,16,17

,19,22 102:5,10

104:21 111:13

117:19 118:1

materials 23:4

matter 10:11

13:10 30:21

101:22 133:12

maximum 41:19

42:2 138:11

may 12:18 13:19

25:16 29:22

34:20 35:4,13

44:19 47:16,22

49:1,2 51:15

62:2,13,14,15

63:6 65:1 68:15

72:4 74:7,10,12

80:7 81:15,19

90:12 92:18

95:15 96:10,15

98:3 99:6

101:6,16 103:14

106:17 107:16

112:10 116:14

117:4

121:4,5,6,8

125:21 129:17

131:11 136:10

142:15

144:10,17

148:2,6,9 149:5

156:15,16

159:15

160:9,10,12

161:10 162:15

165:19 166:8

maybe 25:3 31:21

47:20 55:14 67:4

70:9 78:1,15

79:10 96:5 97:6

101:7 122:14

125:21 132:2

161:8 163:12

167:3,9

mean 15:22 16:1,9

22:10 30:20 71:2

84:12 95:9,16

98:2 99:19,22

100:9 102:21

107:12 108:1,8

110:20

112:9,10,14

113:12,18

132:19 145:22

156:8

means 28:2,5,8,9

29:19 30:3,20

34:7 35:15 36:19

38:10 40:4 42:12

45:22 50:21

53:17 56:3 57:17

60:14 83:14

89:15 123:17

134:21 143:16

144:13 148:17

155:16,20

meant 34:21 73:7

107:9,15

mechanical 146:18

mechanism 143:16

144:10,13 145:9

146:19 147:13

148:18 149:6

meet 14:22 15:11

40:16 41:20 42:3

55:7 57:13 93:2

103:4 104:3

141:2 167:4

meeting 1:3 6:6,14

10:7,20

11:3,13,22 12:14

102:15 138:16

169:5

meetings 11:17

member 7:17

members 126:21

mentioned 150:4

167:13

merely 76:12

metal 103:5

method 50:11 79:7

82:19 121:20

125:5,6,7,8,10

138:12 147:16

154:16 158:8

167:17,18,21

168:8

methods 50:8

151:12

metric 15:8,9 23:8

84:18,22 85:6,10

86:17,18

MG 40:7,8,9,11,12

41:13

42:15,16,18,20

53:19 56:5

MG1 15:3 34:16

44:17 80:1

Michael 3:9 4:9,11

10:2

microphone 35:18

137:10 150:12

152:10 165:14

microphones 6:21

11:9,11

middle 139:1

mind 81:19 144:6

minds 156:8,13

minimal 121:22

minimum 42:1

45:5 71:20

126:13

minute 125:19

minutes

83:13,14,21

116:15 121:10

135:2,10

misinterpretation

43:12

misinterpreting

122:14,19

misread 154:10

missing 87:14

mistaken 61:12

105:19

mode 11:8

models 131:9

model-specific

95:13

Moderator 2:2

modification

34:19 105:8

106:20 114:14

modifications

60:18 113:2

131:17 164:10

modified 17:17

81:11,13 86:15

106:17

modify 59:7 95:18

113:8

modifying 110:12

moisture 53:10,18

54:1,8,22 136:15

moisture-resistant
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55:11 56:12

moment 61:9

116:12

months 165:2

morning 6:3,9,10

10:6 14:11 82:9

83:22 89:16

Mostly 98:13

motor 2:13 3:15

4:13 7:22 8:1,12

15:13,14,20

17:1,4,17,20,21

18:2,4,6,8,15

19:8,9,19,21

20:2,3,4,10,11,1

2,14,19,22

21:1,4,8,10,14,1

5,17,18,19,21

22:4,5 26:12

27:13,14,18,19

28:3,4,8,10,12

29:5,16,20,21

30:3,15,17,18,19

,20,21

31:1,2,5,10,12,1

3,20 32:15,17,19

34:1,8 35:15

36:6,11,12,15,19

,20 37:1

38:10,20

39:4,7,22

40:2,4,5 42:12

43:21

45:15,16,21,22

46:1 48:15 49:4

50:1,21,22

52:16,17,22

53:2,12,13,17

54:7 55:2,8,9

56:3 57:13,17

58:13,15,21

59:1,2 60:14,20

62:22 63:9,10

65:2,8,9 66:7,16

67:3,9,15

68:8,16 71:20

72:2,6,9,16,18

73:1,5,7,9,11

74:8

76:11,16,18,22

77:3,4,6,12,14,1

6,17,18

78:3,5,11

79:8,11,12

82:13,17 83:6

85:4 87:21 89:14

90:13 93:1

94:13,18,20 95:6

96:14,22

97:1,2,5,7

99:4,6,9,10,13,1

6

100:9,11,14,15,1

7,19,21 102:2,6

103:12,13,17,22

104:2,9,13

108:17,19

109:1,2,7,9,12,1

5,21

110:3,7,12,16

111:15

112:16,22

113:14 114:17

115:11,12,14

116:11

117:7,18,19

118:19 119:20

120:22

121:3,4,18,21

122:1,3,5

124:10,20

125:1,3

127:12,13

128:12,21,22

129:1,19,21

130:4,5,6 132:12

133:17,18

134:1,17,21

135:4,5

136:1,2,8,16,18,

21 137:6,14,16

138:22 140:21

141:2,13,15

142:14,16,17,22

143:15,16,17,18

144:3,11,22

145:6,7,8,10,12,

18,19,22

146:1,2,3,4,6,18

147:14

148:16,17,18,19

149:9,17 150:1,3

151:5,6,8,15

152:13,14,18,21

153:1,2,3,6,7,22

154:8,11,18

155:16,17,19,20

156:5,11,12

157:8

159:3,16,18

160:6,9,13

162:9,10 164:2,3

168:5,9

motors 10:14 12:6

13:21,22

14:19,22 15:2

16:2,11

17:5,9,12,18

18:17,20,22

20:16 21:22

25:10

27:17,20,21,22

28:1,5,13 29:12

30:6,7 33:21

34:3,7,12

35:4,22

36:4,10,14

38:2,3,16,22

39:2,10,17

40:14,16,19

41:20 43:2,4

44:6,11,20

45:13,17,19,20

46:11,13 48:20

50:20

51:10,12,19

53:6,7,16,22

55:6 56:1,3,10

57:11,22

58:1,3,5,7,22

59:4,12,13,18

60:6,9,11,18

61:1,5,10,11

62:2 63:6,10,11

64:7 65:14,19

66:3,10,12

67:10,18 68:9,13

71:17,22 72:12

73:13 74:5,10,18

75:1,10,11,12,22

76:1,5 77:10,11

81:17,21 82:1

87:5,8

92:17,18,22

93:5,13 99:1

102:13,14 105:6

109:4,5,6

110:6,17,19

118:13,16,22

119:2,6,7,11,15

121:15 122:7

124:7,8,13,15,17

125:5,10,14

126:9 127:1,2,8

128:8,9,15,19,21

129:3,11,18

130:8,11 131:1,3

132:7,20

133:20,22

134:19 135:6

136:7 138:8

139:8,15

140:14,18

141:1,11

142:2,3,4,8,11,2

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148:10,15

153:10 155:3,13

156:21 157:7,10

158:22 159:9,17

160:11

161:19,21

162:13,16

163:17,21

164:11

motor's 46:4,17

51:2 92:22 103:6

122:4 134:3

Motors 1:2 5:6 6:4

7:19 169:3

mount 94:18

103:13 122:5

146:2

mounted 94:19

104:14 146:1

153:6

mounting 93:8

94:19,22 108:8

111:12 161:22

162:2,14,16,19

mountings 108:7

mounts 145:20

move 16:5 33:18

53:6 65:12 87:2

91:14 100:2

121:12 138:6

158:20 168:12

moving 27:10,22

33:20 36:9

39:15,19 40:22

55:22 57:10 60:5

87:3 92:13,16

124:6 129:15

133:9,10 147:11

148:13

161:17,18

multiphased 20:4

mute 11:12

muting 116:14

N

nameplate 30:4

67:5 68:3

69:14,20 71:18

141:15 155:21

159:20

name's 6:7

Natalia 1:18

170:2,15

National 2:11

3:6,8 7:5 9:8

nature 32:1

Navigant 2:17,18

4:15 9:6 14:12

35:20 61:18

103:19 134:16

nearly 62:20

necessarily 20:7

23:19 36:3 48:4

68:15 75:9 80:7

92:20 108:8

necessary 39:20

44:6 60:18 70:6

89:9 97:15

106:18 111:17

123:9 124:11

129:17 164:10

necessitating

155:17

neither 142:13

155:5 170:7

171:5

NEMA 7:6,18,22

8:3 9:15

15:7,8,13 20:7

22:1,13,16

23:8,14,17,19

24:1,19,20

25:1,6,10,14,18

26:11,19 29:9

34:15,17,20

37:12 38:19

39:21

40:4,7,8,9,11,12,

22

41:7,8,9,13,14

42:10,12,15,16,1

8,20 43:6,10

44:15,17

45:8,14,16,18

46:15,20 47:1,8

48:1,10 49:10

50:6,7 52:16,22

53:19 54:11 56:5

58:10,19

71:7,10,11,12,14

73:17,18 78:21

79:15,21

80:1,8,10,13

84:17 85:5,9,20

86:1,9,12,16

90:10 91:6 92:20

93:22 94:5,11

96:16 102:15

103:4 104:3

109:9 126:21

130:14 132:3

134:8 138:2,5,15

140:13

141:10,12

142:8,21 146:11

155:8 156:4,21

167:2,14

NEMA-rated

45:18

NEMA's 73:15

78:4 81:7

nice 6:8 116:1

Nidec 2:13 4:13

8:1 30:15 37:11

101:11 104:18

112:1 116:11

130:14 134:7

night 21:7

nine 29:6 39:8

43:21 44:4,10

49:21 52:14

76:19 84:10

85:11,17

nobody 119:19

nodding 82:3

nominal 141:10,12

non 60:8 61:4

65:13 87:8 89:16

96:10 142:19

147:3 162:19

non-contact

142:10,12

non-covered 27:4

73:8 152:17

154:14

none 13:10 20:6

134:10

non-integral

144:4,5

148:14,16

151:19

non-realistic

126:12

non-standard

92:17 93:5,14

95:17 102:18,19

122:7 124:1,2

161:22

162:1,13,16

non-vent 19:7 80:3

non-ventilated

60:6,13,20 65:22
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30:22 50:13

51:17 54:6,7

56:22 82:11 90:7

117:16 157:7

nor 170:8 171:5,6

normal 38:6 93:22

165:8,11

normally 32:19

93:21 139:15

165:3

notation 25:11

79:9

note 54:8 56:16,21

73:18 78:13

87:19,20 90:5

91:1,3,7,12 92:3

163:19 167:13

noted 160:3

notes 40:15

90:15,20 91:4

92:5 125:4 157:8

nothing 71:5 120:1

168:13

Notice 1:2 6:5 12:3

19:16 83:5 90:8

97:18 157:7

169:4

noticed 30:18,22

52:3 84:9

noting 29:9

NVLAP-certified

118:11

O

obligated 88:6

93:19 99:14

obligation 94:1

97:12,13

observation

163:11

obtain 115:19

159:2 160:9,14

obtained 93:9

102:15 104:20

122:16 123:15

obtaining 57:5

obviously 50:10

115:16 153:22

161:2

occur 116:21

occurs 136:8

OEM 32:14 96:18

offer 24:8

Office 4:8 8:21 9:4

offshore 105:1

off-the-shelf

115:11

Oh 65:19 75:3

91:21 144:5

oil 127:8 128:12

ones 102:19 158:9

online 9:20 151:2

on-site 120:10

onus 159:22

open 26:13,14,16

28:13 58:20

71:18 104:22

106:22 130:2

142:4 145:6

153:1,10 155:3

159:6 160:18,20

161:2,8 164:22

165:5,10,16

166:2,11

opening 5:2 13:9

66:4 82:10

openings

107:16,17,19

117:4

operable 29:16,21

30:3 155:19,20

operate 15:4

46:4,18 51:3

57:12,22 59:2

74:11,12 124:14

129:20 131:3

134:22

136:12,16

operated 48:21

131:18 141:11

operating 74:14

121:1 130:5

operation

36:11,16,17,20

38:6,10,12 48:21

49:3,5 57:19

78:6,7 132:8,10

137:19 153:22

operations 165:4

opinion 111:21

130:21

opportunity 10:18

13:8 63:3 164:16

opposite 149:18,19

150:19

151:5,6,7,9

option 115:21

117:10 126:14

options 115:10

163:1

order 113:4

organizational 7:1

orientation

130:9,12

original 21:17

55:4 61:14

93:10,20 165:9

originally 107:20

others 23:3 29:10

82:4 119:22

128:12 145:15

otherwise 12:11

38:6 124:13

ought 126:13,17

outboard

151:13,16

outcome 171:6

outline 157:16

outlined 141:8

outset 13:5 23:2

106:5 164:16

outside 109:1

128:5 148:18

149:6,10 150:10

167:10

overall 121:22

over-electric 28:4

over-greasing

161:10

overlap 27:7

oversight 55:9

overview 5:3 10:8

P

p.m 169:3

Pacific 7:9

packaged 74:13

77:18

packet 10:5 13:13

Padilla 4:3 9:22

page 19:15 56:21

70:17 97:17
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Pam 14:10,12

Pamela 2:18 9:5

26:5 27:9 29:11

33:19 55:21 57:9

65:15 68:21

91:16,19 92:15

121:13 123:20

Pamela's 37:15

paragraph

40:7,8,9,11,12

42:16,17,18

53:19 54:11

56:5,16 88:7,10

89:13 90:5

163:19

paragraphs

41:17,18 42:20

45:9

parallel 25:20

pardon 91:21

105:20

parentheses 80:2

parenthetical

46:17,19 47:1,2

54:9

parte 138:16

partial 30:6

31:5,10,11,13,20

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