VIRGINIA:

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OFFICE OF HEARINGS

FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, PLAINTIFF, VS CASE NO. FAA-2014-0324 GLOBAL AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INCORPORATED, DEFENDANT.

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TELECONFERENCE BEFORE THE HONORABLE J. E. SULLIVAN TUESDAY, AUGUST 11, 2015 1:31 P.M. HISTORIC JORDAN SPRINGS 1160 JORDAN SPRINGS ROAD STEPHENSON, VIRGINIA 22656GLOBAL A IRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 2

1 APPE ARANCES 2 ON B EHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, 3 FEDE RAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION: 4 ZAC HARY BERMAN, ESQUIRE 5 FEDE RAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION 6 OFF ICE OF THE REGIONAL COUNSEL 7 1 A VIATION PLAZA 8 JAM AICA, NEW YORK 11434 9 TEL EPHO NE: 718 .553.3258 10 FAC SIMI LE: 718 .995.5699 11 EMA IL: ZACHARY.BERMAN@FAA.GOV 12 13 ON B EHALF OF THE DEFENDANT, 14 GLOBAL AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INCORPORATED: 15 ROB ERT ROTH, PRESIDENT, PRO SE 16 GLOBAL AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC. 17 207 5 SMITHTOWN AVENUE 18 RON KONKOMA, NEW YORK 11779 19 TEL EPHO NE: 631 .981.8470 20 FAC SIMI LE: 631 .981.9469 21 ROB ERT@GLOBALAIRCRAFTINTERIORS.COM 22 23 24 25GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 3

1 TELECONFERENCE 2 TUESDAY, AUGUST 11, 2015 3 1:31 P.M. 4 THE COURT: This is Judge Sullivan, do I 5 have Mr. Berman on the line? 6 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 7 THE COURT: And Mr. Robert Roth? 8 MR. ROTH: Yes, that is correct, Judge. 9 THE COURT: Thank you, and I should also 10 have a Tammy Keckley, with County Court Reporters? 11 COURT REPORTER: Yes, ma'am. 12 THE COURT: And, Ms. Keckley, are you ready? 13 COURT REPORTER: Absolutely, Your Honor. 14 THE COURT: Okay, we're on the record in the 15 matter of Global Aircraft Interiors, Inc. This is 16 docket number FAA-2014- 0324. Today is Tuesday, 17 August 11, 2015, and the parties have convened for 18 another litigation scheduling conference. The FAA is 19 represented by its attorney of record, Mr. Zachary M. 20 Berman. The respondent, Global Aircraft Interiors, 21 Inc., is represented by its lay representative, Mr. 22 Robert Roth. Good afternoon to you both. 23 MR. BERMAN: Good afternoon, Judge. 24 MR. ROTH: Good afternoon. 25 THE COURT: As you all may recall, we lastGLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 4

1 convened on June 30, 2015. At that time, the parties 2 agreed to a brief continuance to try and see if they 3 could exchange some additional financial information 4 and further discuss any potential settlement that 5 might be available. Mr. Berman, I'm going to turn to 6 you. Can you tell me the status of the case at this 7 point? 8 MR. BERMAN: Ma'am, we still haven't 9 resolved it, but that doesn't mean, there's still a 10 possibility that what's happened was Global Aircraft 11 claims that even though the records that the FAA 12 observed didn't show training. He said he could 13 produce affidavits from the individuals who did 14 receive training, and then he submitted some 15 affidavits, but they didn't appear to be the notarized 16 in the proper form, so he had them redone and just 17 within the last day, within the last 24 hours he's 18 submitted to me four affidavits, so we haven't had a 19 chance to have settlement discussions in the aftermath 20 of that information. 21 THE COURT: Okay, and just so that I'm 22 clear, I know that when we last talked there was an 23 interest for the FAA to have a variety of different 24 individuals, and as I understand what you're telling 25 me you received most, if not all of those individualGLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 5

1 testimonial statements by affidavit at this point? 2 MR. BERMAN: I received, I think there were, 3 well, we received four. 4 THE COURT: Okay. 5 MR. BERMAN: Out of I believe, like, seven 6 or eight done. 7 THE COURT: And which four were those? 8 MR. BERMAN: Mr. Murray Roth, Anthony 9 Deorio, maybe Mr. Roth can help me out here. 10 MR. ROTH: Yes, Loretta Sequela, and Jose, I 11 can't pronounce his last name. I apologize, Judge. 12 THE COURT: Well, the last time you 13 pronounced it, it was Callait? 14 MR. ROTH: Callait, yeah, yeah. Sorry. 15 THE COURT: Okay, so the four affidavits 16 that have been produced for the FAA are from Mr. Roth, 17 Mr. Deorio, Ms. Sequela, and Mr. Callait, is that 18 correct, Mr. Roth? 19 MR. ROTH: Yes, that is correct, Judge, and 20 as per your request that we spoke last time, we've 21 elaborated, as per your request. 22 THE COURT: Well, it was a suggestion. 23 MR. ROTH: Oh, I know, as per your 24 suggestion, I apologize. It was done. We were closed 25 for two weeks and we just got back on Monday.GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 6

1 THE COURT: Okay. 2 MR. ROTH: And then it was just trying to 3 get in touch with people and such forth. We 4 originally did something, it was not, I guess, legal. 5 The original ones that we had notarized, we had 6 touched, did the research. We had new forms made, 7 sent out, and I think those would be acceptable to 8 you, Judge. 9 THE COURT: Okay, well, I haven't seen them, 10 and I won't see them, because these are materials that 11 you submitted directly to the FAA as part of your 12 settlement negotiations. Do you understand that? I 13 don't work for the FAA. I'm not a member of the FAA. 14 MR. ROTH: Yes, Judge, I understand, and I 15 apologize. 16 THE COURT: Okay, so this is material that 17 you've produced and given to Mr. Berman in your 18 private settlement discussions over which I've had 19 some general dialogues about with both of you while 20 we've convened. Obviously, if you don't settle the 21 case, which you may or may not do, you could always 22 potentially call these individuals as witnesses later 23 on if a hearing was convened in the matter, but that's 24 in the future. Mr. Berman, I'm going to turn back to 25 you. So, given the status of what you're received,GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 7

1 what does your client recommend that we do at this 2 point? 3 MR. BERMAN: Well, I think there's still a 4 chance, you know, based on the information, there's a 5 better chance now than there was 24 hours ago that I 6 have enough information that I could work with to try 7 to settle the case. 8 THE COURT: Okay, well, how much time do you 9 think you would need to do that? Because I don't want 10 to be a position where I start directing people to 11 engage in discovery if you have the potential for 12 settling the matter. If I start to give you discovery 13 deadlines you're going to have to start doing 14 discovery, and if that's not necessary let's not go 15 that route. 16 MR. BERMAN: Yeah, ordinarily I would say 17 about a week or two, but I'm going on vacation next 18 week and the following week we have an FAA conference 19 I need to attend out of town. 20 THE COURT: Okay. 21 MR. BERMAN: And I'm trying to finish up 22 stuff in the office this week, so. 23 THE COURT: What would you like? What would 24 you ideally like to have for your client, and then I 25 can turn to Mr. Roth and see if that's acceptable toGLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 8

1 him? 2 MR. BERMAN: I'll say one month. 3 THE COURT: Okay, so today is August 11, 4 2015, one month from now would be September 11, 2015. 5 Is that about the time frame you're looking at, Mr. 6 Berman? 7 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 8 THE COURT: Mr. Roth, turning to you, would 9 continuing this matter another month be acceptable to 10 you? 11 MR. ROTH: That would be acceptable, Judge. 12 THE COURT: Okay. 13 MR. ROTH: Judge, with all do respect, is it 14 possible to do a different date than September 11th? 15 THE COURT: Sure. What date? 16 MR. ROTH: I have some ties to that date and 17 it's just not a good day. If you want to do the day 18 before, the day after that's fine, if that's at all 19 possible, Judge, I'd appreciate it. 20 THE COURT: Of course, let me look at my 21 calendar very quickly and then I'm going to suggest 22 one or two different dates to you both. 23 MR. ROTH: Thank you, I do appreciate it. 24 THE COURT: How about September 15th, which 25 is the following Tuesday? Starting with you, Mr.GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 9

1 Berman? 2 MR. BERMAN: That's a holiday, Rosh 3 Hashanah. 4 THE COURT: Okay. What about September 5 16th, would that work, Mr. Berman? 6 MR. BERMAN: Yeah, I'm scheduled for a 7 hearing that day. 8 THE COURT: Why don't you tell me, Mr. 9 Berman, so that I don't ... 10 MR. BERMAN: All right, I think the week 11 after the week of, well, let me just check. 12 THE COURT: Okay. 13 MR. BERMAN: Either September 21st or 14 September 24th, or September 25th. 15 THE COURT: Okay, so it was Monday, Tuesday, 16 or Friday? I'm sorry, could you say those dates again, 17 please? 18 MR. BERMAN: Thursday or Friday of the week 19 of Monday, September 21st, so I'm suggesting September 20 21st, 24th, or the 25th. 21 THE COURT: Okay, Mr. Roth, any of those 22 days work for you? 23 MR. ROTH: Any of those are more than 24 acceptable for me, so whatever works out, Judge, is 25 fine.GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 10

1 THE COURT: Okay, why don't we try for 2 Monday, the 21st at 1:30, and that would be September 3 21, 2015, 1:30 p.m. 4 MR. BERMAN: I just marked it down in my 5 calendar. 6 THE COURT: Okay, and Mr. Roth, I'd like you 7 to make sure that you've heard that date, too. 8 MR. ROTH: I scheduled the 21st, 1:30, 9 Monday. 10 THE COURT: Perfect. Now, before we close, 11 I just want to chat with Mr. Roth for a moment, and 12 Mr. Berman, I'd like you to stay on the line in case 13 you don't know about this. Mr. Roth, you have a 14 second case before me that is entitled docket number 15 FAA-2014-0859, and according to the materials that I 16 have, Mr. Berman is the counsel in that matter as 17 well. 18 MR. ROTH: Yes. 19 THE COURT: So I just want to alert you all 20 that an order has been sent out regarding that, and 21 Mr. Roth, you have a responsibility to do something if 22 you choose about that case as well. And since Mr. 23 Berman is of counsel, you may want to be talking to 24 him about this case as well. 25 MR. ROTH: I will take care of that, Judge,GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 11

1 and speak to Mr. Berman with regards to that case. 2 THE COURT: Okay, with that, then, Mr. 3 Berman, on behalf of your client, is there anything 4 you would like to add or correct to the record today? 5 MR. BERMAN: No, Judge, thank you. 6 THE COURT: Okay, and Mr. Roth, on behalf of 7 yourself, anything you would like to add or correct to 8 the record? 9 MR. ROTH: No, Judge, thank you very much. 10 THE COURT: And I'll simply note that in 11 this case, and this is only about the case with docket 12 number FAA-2014-0324. In this case, it appears our 13 business is complete, and I will look forward to 14 talking with you all on September 21, 2015 at 1:30 if 15 you do not settle the case prior to that. With that, 16 we can go off the record, and I wish you all a good 17 day. Thank you. 18 MR. BERMAN: Thank you, have a great day, 19 Judge. 20 THE COURT: All right, bye, bye. 21 (WHEREUPON, the teleconference was concluded at 1:44 22 P.M.) 23 24 25GLOBAL AIRCRAFT August 11, 2015 VR # 1679-5 Page 12

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