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 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY

 ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY

 BUILDING TECHNOLOGIES PROGRAM

 NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING PUBLIC MEETING:

 RESIDENTIAL DEHUMIDIFIER TEST PROCEDURES

 DOCKET NO.: EERE-2014-BT-TP-0010

 Department of Energy

 1000 Independence Avenue, S.W.

 Washington, D.C.

 Friday,

 June 13, 2014

 9:06 a.m.

 Reported by: Christine Allen,

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S

2 FACILITATOR:

3 Doug Brookman

4 DOE REPRESENTATIVES:

5 Ashley Armstrong

6 Bryan Berringer

7 Elizabeth Kohl

8 Doug Rawald

 Gen. Counsel

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INDUSTRY PARTICIPANTS:

10

 John Bloemer

11 Aprilaire

12 Brice Bowley

 GE Appliances

13

 Jennifer Cleary

14 AHAM

15 Rehan Ehsan

 AHAM

16

 Elizabeth Noll

17 Natural Resources Defense Council

18 Via Webinar:

19 Lacy Aliff

20 Mizanur Chowdhury

 CSA Group

21

 Kevin Churchill

22 Intertek
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S (Cont'd)

2 Via Webinar (Cont'd):

3 Rachel Cluett

 ACEEE

4

 Ashley Cocita

5 CSA Group

6 Lauren Mattison

 Cadmus Group

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 Joanna Mauer

8 Standards ASAP

9 Sarah Medepalli

 ICFI

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 Renata Mortazavi

11 NRCAN

12 Judd Smith

 CSA Group

13

 Matt Snyder

14 Intertek

15 Yoolanda Williams

 GE

16

 Linda Wilson

17 New York Attorney General's Office

18 Ed Wuesthoff

 Friedrich

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 Daniel Young

20 Energy Solution

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S (Cont'd)

2 CONSULTANTS:

3 Nicole Buccitelli

 Navigant

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 Camilla Dunham Whitehead

5 LBNL

6 Andrew Jean-Louis

 Navigant

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 ChunChun Ni

8 LBNL

9 Judith Reich

 Navigant

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 Nadav Singerman

11 Navigant

12 Troy Watson

 Navigant

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1 A G E N D A

2 Page

3 1. Welcome 6

4 2. Introductions 7

5 3. Regulatory History 15

6 4. Covered Products 16

7 5. Test Procedure Amendments 19

8 7. Compliance 9

9 8. Closing Remarks 96

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

2 (9:06 a.m.)

3 MR. BROOKMAN: We have a lot of content

4 today, so I'm going to get us going. There may be

5 a few individuals who will be coming in late, but

6 we will make sure they get caught up.

7 Let's start. You all ready? Yes? Good

8 morning, everyone. Welcome. This is the Notice

9 of Proposed Rulemaking Public Meeting on

10 Residential Dehumidifier Test Procedures.

11 Today is June 13, 2014 here at the

12 Department of Energy at the Forrestal Building in

13 Washington, D.C. My name is Doug Brookman from

14 Public Solutions in Baltimore.

15 We are going to start this morning with

16 welcoming remarks by Bryan Berringer.

17 MR. BERRINGER: Hello. This is Bryan

18 Berringer from the Department of Energy. I just

19 want to thank everybody for coming in person and

20 those on the webinar. I understand we have about

21 ten people on the webinar today. Again, we hope

22 to have a good discussion today, and again, thank
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1 you for your participation.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Bryan. Let's

3 start with doing introductions. You can get used

4 to turning these microphones both on and off. The

5 little green light illuminates the name and

6 organizational affiliation.

7 MR. BLOEMER: John Bloemer with

8 Aprilaire.

9 MR. BOWLEY: Brice Bowley, General

10 Electric.

11 MS. NOLL: Elizabeth Noll, NRDC.

12 MR. EHSAN: Rehan Ehsan, AHAM.

13 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary with AHAM.

14 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Andrew Jean-Louis,

15 Navigant.

16 MR. SINGERMAN: Nadav Singerman,

17 Navigant.

18 MS. KOHL: Betsy Kohl, DOE General

19 Counsel.

20 MR. RAWALD: Doug Rawald, Department of

21 Energy, Office of General Counsel.

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Ashley Armstrong, DOE.
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1 MS. REICH: Judy Reich, Navigant.

2 MR. WATSON: Troy Watson, Navigant.

3 MS. NI: ChunChun Ni, LBNL.

4 MS. DUNHAM-WHITEHEAD: Camilla Dunham5 Whitehead, LBNL.

6 MS. BUCCITELLI: Nicole Buccitelli,

7 Navigant.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Thanks to all

9 of you for joining us and for being on time. We

10 have a full packet of information that we will be

11 going through as the day progresses.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: I'm going to do a very

13 brief agenda review. You can see on page two of

14 this packet, immediately following this agenda

15 review, there will be a few introductory slides by

16 the Department of Energy. There is an opportunity

17 for anybody that wishes to, to make introductory

18 remarks, brief, summary comments about issues that

19 may be important to you at this time.

20 Following from there, we will dive into

21 the content in this packet, the regulatory

22 history, go from there and cover the products, go
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1 from there to considering test procedure

2 amendments.

3 We will take a break mid-morning or so,

4 10:30, 10:45, whenever we get there. Following

5 the mid-morning break, we will talk about

6 compliance. Again, at the end of the day, at the

7 end of the morning, I should say, before lunch, we

8 will have an opportunity for additional remarks,

9 closing remarks. Anything that hasn't been

10 covered sufficiently during the course of the

11 morning session.

12 That's the general plan. Questions and

13 comments on the agenda?

14 (No response.)

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Seeing none, I would ask

16 if you would, please speak one at a time, say your

17 name for the record each time you speak. There

18 will be a complete transcript of this meeting. If

19 you could be concise to share the air time, keep

20 the focus here. If your cell phones are not on

21 silent mode at this point, please turn them to

22 silent mode. Limit the side bar conversations.
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1 These microphones work pretty well but

2 they have to be kind of close to your face, we

3 have found. As I said, there will be a complete

4 transcript of this meeting available.

5 Webinar participants, the Department of

6 Energy is trying hard to make certain that these

7 meetings are accessible via the Web. They have

8 been working fairly well recently. Please turn

9 your telephones on mute and raise your hand in the

10 software package to be recognized to speak, and we

11 ought to be able to hear you in the room once you

12 unmute your phone and try to speak to us. We will

13 try to include you in this conversation.

14 I think that is the bulk of my overview

15 stuff. There are a few introductory slides that

16 Bryan Berringer is going to cover.

17 MR. BERRINGER: Again, thank you for

18 your participation today. As you can see, there

19 is a little bit different agenda, a couple of

20 little items here that is not on handout, a couple

21 of little edits there.

22 Right now, we have gone through
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1 introductions, and we just want to give people an

2 opportunity also near the end if there are

3 additional items for discussion, that we can do

4 that about 11:45.

5 We have talked about the Webinar.

6 People on the Webinar, we will give you an

7 opportunity when we have time for discussion if

8 you need to make a comment. Please, while you are

9 on the Webinar, please have your phones on mute.

10 Again, the purpose of this meeting is

11 basically to talk about the test procedure for

12 dehumidifiers, what changes we have made based on

13 comments. We invite comments on the Notice of

14 Proposed Rulemaking that was published last month,

15 in May, and discuss next steps in the rulemaking.

16 Again, we want to invite participants to

17 provide summary comments or statements and raise

18 any additional issues for discussion. This isn't

19 just the topics that we have on the agenda, but if

20 you have other items that you would like to

21 discuss about the test procedure or

22 clarifications, we will give you an opportunity to
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1 do that.

2 Just a little bit about the history,

3 again, where we are at. Basically, with the test

4 procedure, it is two process steps. The NOPR

5 stage is where we are now. Again, the NOPR is

6 Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, published or issued

7 on May 2, but published in the Federal Register on

8 May 21. Obviously, today, Friday 13, we are having

9 the meeting to discuss these topics.

10 The comments on the NOPR or Notice of

11 Proposed Rulemaking from interested parties, again

12 as Doug mentioned, we're going to have transcripts

13 available that will go into the public record. We

14 are also requesting written comments be submitted

15 by August 4. Your comments today will be part of

16 the record and any written comments you provide,

17 and DOE will review and consider all the comments.

18 Right now, as far as the next steps after we

19 analyze the comments, we will do a final rule. We

20 are anticipating doing that in January 2015, in

21 about six or seven months.

22 At this time, if there is anybody in the
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1 room, Doug can acknowledge you by raising your

2 hand, if you have opening remarks that you would

3 like to present at this time, this is the

4 opportunity.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Jen Cleary.

6 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. We just

7 wanted to thank DOE for issuing this Notice. We

8 think it is really important to clarify this test

9 procedure, and as the Department knows, AHAM

10 conducted recently a round robin on the

11 dehumidifier test procedure. We're working also

12 on analyzing what clarifications might be

13 necessary.

14 We certainly plan to submit detailed

15 written comments, not only responding to DOE's

16 proposals, but also maybe making some of our own

17 based on that round robin to the extent that it's

18 not already covered in here, and many of them

19 actually are.

20 We really look forward to continuing to

21 work together with the Department to make this

22 test procedure as clear as it can be.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Jennifer.

2 Other comments?

3 (No response.)

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Nothing additional?

5 Okay. Let's go right into the content.

6 MR. BERRINGER: Is there anyone from the

7 Webinar that had any comments before we move on?

8 (No response.)

9 MR. BERRINGER: All right. Thank you.

10 MR. BERRINGER: The next slide is just

11 talking about issues for discussion. We typically

12 have a note box or issue box here. This is the

13 opportunity where DOE welcomes information

14 concerning the proposed test procedure for

15 dehumidifiers, whether invited by the box or not,

16 commenters/stakeholders are welcome to comment on

17 any part of the analysis, and again, on other

18 issues.

19 Basically, these issues are found in the

20 Notice of Proposed Rulemaking that we are going to

21 talk about today, these comment boxes. It can be

22 found in Section E where it says "Public
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1 Participation," and where it says "Issues on which

2 the Department seeks comments."

3 We will step through all the nine topics

4 that were addressed in the NOPR, and again, if you

5 have additional issues that you would like to

6 discuss, we will have an opportunity to do that.

7 Again, the comment period ends on August

8 4, 11:59 p.m.

9 Any questions so far about what we are

10 doing here?

11 (No response.)

12 MR. BERRINGER: I will talk a little bit

13 about the regulatory history. Basically, in

14 December 2006 we did a test procedure at Appendix

15 X, which established measuring active mode for

16 energy use.

17 In October of 2012, we had the addition

18 of Appendix X1, measuring standby mode and the off

19 mode energy use. In February of this year, 2014,

20 there was removal of the obsolete Appendix X, and

21 we re-designated Appendix X1 as X.

22 In this NOPR, DOE proposes to amend and
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1 re-designate Appendix X as well as a new Appendix

2 X1.

3 Any questions about that?

4 (No response.)

5 At this time, I want to turn it over to Nadav

6 Singerman from Navigant to discuss the covered

7 products.

8 MR. SINGERMAN: Thanks, Bryan. I first

9 want to begin the discussion regarding the

10 products that DOE is proposing to be covered under

11 this rule.

12 EPCA defines a dehumidifier as "A self13 contained, electrically operated, mechanically

14 encased assembly" that consists of a refrigerated

15 surface or cooled surface, which is often an

16 evaporator, or refrigeration system, an air

17 circulating fan, and means for collecting

18 condensate.

19 DOE has proposed to continue adopting

20 this definition, although to add an exclusion of

21 portable air conditioners and room air

22 conditioners.
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1 DOE is also proposing to clarify a few

2 product types that fall under this definition for

3 dehumidifiers. The first is portable

4 dehumidifiers, which is designed to operate with

5 the conditioned space, without any ducting

6 attached to it, although sometimes they do have

7 optional duct attachments.

8 Another type is whole-home

9 dehumidifiers, which are designed to be installed

10 with ducting, and deliver conditioned dehumidified

11 air to one or more locations throughout the

12 living space.

13 A third type is a refrigerant-desiccant

14 dehumidifier, which is a subset of whole-home

15 dehumidifiers, and these dehumidifiers remove

16 moisture both through a desiccant material as well

17 as a refrigeration system.

18 MR. BLOEMER: (Off microphone.)

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Why don't you wait for

20 the comment box?

21 MR. SINGERMAN: DOE has also identified

22 another type of dehumidifier that is a convertible
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1 dehumidifier that would meet both the portable and

2 the whole-home dehumidifier definitions through

3 the use of an optional ducting kit.

4 DOE is proposing that convertible

5 dehumidifiers be tested according to both product

6 categories, and would have to meet any potential

7 standards for both portable and whole-home

8 dehumidifiers.

9 DOE is welcoming any comments on the

10 proposed definitions for portable, whole-home, and

11 refrigerant-desiccant dehumidifiers, requesting

12 any comments on whether there are additional

13 product types that should be considered that would

14 be consistent with the statutory definition for

15 the dehumidifiers.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: And any clarifications on

17 definitions as well. John?

18 MR. BLOEMER: John Bloemer with

19 Aprilaire. Your definition of a dehumidifier with

20 the refrigerated surface, an electric motor, which

21 is basically a compressor, and an air circulating

22 fan, is pretty broad. You made the statement that
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1 you are purposely excluding portable air

2 conditioners and whole-home air conditioners?

3 MR. SINGERMAN: The definition itself,

4 what we have on the slide, is the EPACT

5 definition, which doesn't necessarily exclude

6 portable air conditioners and room conditioners.

7 However, in the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, we

8 included specific exclusions for those two

9 products.

10 MR. BLOEMER: Okay. That goes to the

11 whole-home dehumidifier, because the way this is

12 written, you're singling out a method of whole13 home humidity control, where air conditioners

14 themselves are a method of whole-home

15 dehumidification control. Some of them have modes

16 of dehumidification control.

17 You're singling out a product that other

18 products that do the same function in the whole19 home application are not subject to the same--

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Test procedure?

21 MR. BLOEMER: Test procedure.

22 MS. ARMSTRONG: This is Ashley from DOE.
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1 While your point is they are not subject to the

2 same test procedure at least under this proposal,

3 they are separate covered products.

4 At least we have proposed to cover

5 portable air conditioners and we do cover central

6 air conditioner units. They are just separate and

7 accounted for separately.

8 MR. BLOEMER: They have their own test

9 procedure, but they are not tested as a

10 dehumidification unit or humidity control unit.

11 They are tested as an air conditioner or

12 temperature control unit.

13 The products that we sell as whole-home

14 dehumidifiers have the sole purpose of controlling

15 humidity in the home. You are subjecting those

16 products to a separate standard that competing

17 products are not subjected to.

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: So, I guess what is your

19 ask?

20 MR. BLOEMER: Well, my ask is right now,

21 at the end of this, the whole-home dehumidifier is

22 a separate product category unto itself. Right
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1 now what is going on is we are extending a test

2 procedure for a portable unit to a whole-home unit

3 that is much more complex.

4 The analogy would be a space heater is

5 similar to a furnace. Whole-home humidity control

6 is a very complex issue and has multiple ways of

7 solving the solution.

8 Although we support some of the stuff

9 that's in here and we would support a separate

10 type of standard, and we would also ask the DOE to

11 possibly fund some research going on in AHAM to

12 better understand humidity control models.

13 MS. ARMSTRONG: Okay. Just to clarify,

14 I think what this test procedure is doing, at

15 least the proposal, is proposing a separate method

16 of test for whole-home dehumidifiers.

17 To the extent you have comments on what

18 that method should look like, especially in

19 response to our proposal, we welcome those today.

20 That is what today is all about.

21 MR. BLOEMER: Yes, and my comment to be

22 on the record is to take this out of this proposal
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1 as it is today.

2 MS. ARMSTRONG: Okay.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: As we go along, if there

4 are more specifics to support your proposal, that

5 would be great.

6 MR. BLOEMER: Okay.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments

8 related to definitions and these product types?

9 (No response.)

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Moving on.

11 MR. SINGERMAN: All right. Thank you.

12 Now we are going to be moving on to the

13 Appendix X clarifications that DOE is proposing in

14 this Notice.

15 MR. SINGERMAN: Before jumping into the

16 clarifications themselves, I'm just going to give

17 an overview of the test procedure in Appendix X.

18 The first part is an active mode test. This test

19 is conducted in accordance with AHAM's DH-1-2008

20 test procedure for dehumidifiers. The result of

21 this test procedure is two metrics. One is a

22 product capacity, which is in units of pints of
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1 condensate collected per day, and energy factor,

2 which is in units of liters of condensate

3 collected per kilowatt hour of energy consumed.

4 Another part of the test procedure is

5 the standby mode and off mode. This test includes

6 the inactive mode, off mode, and off cycle mode.

7 The energy consumption from these modes is

8 aggregated into the annual combined low power mode

9 energy consumption.

10 Appendix X also includes an integrated

11 energy factor which incorporates the annual

12 combined low power mode energy consumption into

13 the EF metric to create the IEF metric.

14 DOE is proposing a number of

15 clarification amendments to Appendix X. All of

16 these clarifications will also be reflected in

17 Appendix X1. DOE doesn't expect that any of these

18 clarifications to Appendix X would change the test

19 results.

20 The first clarifications are regarding

21 definitions. DOE is proposing a definition for

22 "dehumidification mode," which is a type of active
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1 mode, in which a dehumidifier has activated the

2 main moisture removal function in accordance with

3 a humidistat or a humidity sensor, and has either

4 activated the refrigeration system or has just

5 activated the fan or blower without activating the

6 refrigeration system.

7 Another definition that DOE is proposing

8 is "product capacity." To clarify what that

9 means, it's a measure of the ability of the

10 dehumidifier to remove moisture from its

11 surroundings, and product capacity is measured in

12 pints of condensate collected per 24 hours of

13 operation under the specified ambient conditions

14 in Appendix X. DOE seeks any comments on the

15 proposed definitions for "dehumidification mode"

16 and "product capacity."

17 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

18 MR. BLOEMER: John Bloemer. On the fan

19 activation mode, again, in whole-house

20 applications, it's very confusing, and activation

21 is done for multiple reasons. Some products will

22 activate whole-house fans for proper air
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1 circulation throughout the home and deliver other

2 IAQ and temperature averaging properties.

3 There needs to be clarification on what

4 the fan is, is the fan the unit, the fan inside

5 the unit, the fan that might be controlled by the

6 dehumidifier and activating a whole-house fan,

7 basically the HVAC fan. If you're going to

8 consider the HVAC fan, there is going to be

9 multiple variables as to what that fan is, what

10 type of energy it is using, and its design.

11 There are also products on the market

12 that will use the fan inside the unit to sample

13 air, to make sure a reading is taken, but they

14 will also take opportunities when the HVAC fan is

15 running to sample the air, so it operates in both

16 modes. That has to be considered in the test

17 procedure as to what fan energy you are truly

18 measuring and how you are measuring it.

19 MR. SINGERMAN: Thanks for your comment.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, John. Doug?

21 MR. RAWALD: John, you used the term

22 "IAQ." Did you mean "indoor air quality?" Is
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1 that what you were saying?

2 MR. BLOEMER: Yeah.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments on

4 these definitions?

5 (No response.)

6 MR. SINGERMAN: Thank you. DOE is also

7 proposing some clarifications regarding the

8 psychrometer. The current test procedure in

9 Appendix X doesn't provide specific instructions

10 for how to place the psychrometer for

11 dehumidifiers with multiple air intake grilles.

12 These multiple air intake grilles could be on one

13 surface or one side of the unit, but could be on

14 multiple sides as well.

15 In order to resolve this issue, DOE

16 considered two different options. The first was

17 to use one single psychrometer or sampling tree at

18 a location as close as possible to one foot in

19 front of all intake grilles.

20 DOE considered a second option which

21 would be to place a separate psychrometer or a

22 separate sampling tree one foot in front of each
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1 intake grille. For one unit, there could be

2 multiple sampling trees monitoring the air.

3 DOE believes that the second option

4 offers improved reproducibility and only minimally

5 increases the test burden, and is therefore

6 proposing option two.

7 DOE also proposes to clarify that a

8 psychrometer can only be connected to one

9 dehumidifier during testing. For a unit with

10 multiple intake grilles, you could have a single

11 psychrometer with multiple sampling trees that

12 would be ducted to that one psychrometer.

13 However, one psychrometer cannot be monitoring

14 conditions for two different dehumidifiers.

15 DOE welcomes comment on the test burden

16 associated with the requirements for multiple

17 sampling trees or psychrometers for dehumidifiers

18 with multiple air inlets, and also the test burden

19 associated with connecting only one test unit per

20 psychrometer.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: No comments on testing

22 burden?
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1 (No response.)

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

3 MR. SINGERMAN: Thanks. DOE is also

4 proposing clarifications regarding the condensate

5 collection method. DOE is aware that some

6 dehumidifier buckets are not large enough to hold

7 all the condensate that can be collected during

8 the six hour test period.

9 What often happens is when the bucket

10 fills up during the test, a unit will either

11 cycle off and turn off the compressor or will

12 activate an internal pump to empty the internal

13 bucket, and this would disrupt the test procedure.

14 DOE is proposing a number of

15 clarifications to resolve this issue. The first

16 is that dehumidifiers with gravity drain

17 capabilities should be connected to a

18 substantially closed vessel and that vessel would

19 be placed on a scale to measure the collected

20 condensate.

21 For dehumidifiers that don't have a

22 drain capability, the automatic shutoff feature
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1 would be disabled and any condensate that

2 overflows out of the internal condensate bucket

3 would be collected in a covered pan that would be

4 below the unit, and both the pan and the unit

5 would be sitting on a scale to measure the

6 condensate collected during the test.

7 DOE also proposes to clarify that any

8 internal pumps should not be used during the test

9 unless the pump is activated by default by the

10 manufacturer.

11 DOE is requesting comment on the

12 clarifications regarding the condensation

13 collection requirements for those units with and

14 without drain capabilities as well as internal

15 pumps.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Comments? Ashley

17 Armstrong.

18 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I will say--this is

19 Ashley from DOE. If you do agree with the

20 proposal, it is helpful for DOE for you to say

21 that.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: John?
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1 MR. BLOEMER: No, I agree with it.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Affirmative

3 comments are very useful so the Department knows

4 they are on track; yes. It is helpful. Thank

5 you. Additional comments? Jen?

6 MS. CLEARY: We will provide affirmative

7 or non-affirmative comments.

8 MS. ARMSTRONG: Affirmative is always

9 welcome.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Any additional

11 comments here before we move on?

12 (No response.)

13 MR. SINGERMAN: All right, thank you.

14 DOE is also proposing clarifications regarding the

15 control settings for the dehumidifier during

16 testing. Appendix X currently does not specify

17 the fan speed setting or the relative humidity

18 setting during the dehumidification mode test.

19 A commenter has recommended that units

20 with a continuous on function should be tested

21 with that feature enabled during testing, and

22 units without a continuous on feature should be
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1 tested with the lowest humidity setting possible,

2 as available.

3 A commenter has recommended that the

4 fans be set at the highest possible allowable by

5 the unit.

6 DOE is proposing to adopt these

7 recommendations as requirements for the

8 dehumidification mode test. DOE believes they

9 correspond with the highest energy use, and also

10 are consistent with industry practice as DOE has

11 observed.

12 DOE welcomes comments on the proposed

13 control settings for the dehumidification testing,

14 which would require selecting continuous operation

15 if available, and otherwise, the lowest relative

16 humidity setting.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

18 MR. BLOEMER: When the DOE creates

19 these, how long do they typically stay in place?

20 MS. ARMSTRONG: You're asking how long

21 do test procedures typically--

22 MR. BLOEMER: Yes.
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1 MS. ARMSTRONG: We're required to review

2 our test procedures once every seven years. That

3 being said, we can opt to do it earlier if we know

4 there's an issue or clarifications that are

5 needed. At the very least, we are required to do

6 it by statute once every seven years.

7 MR. BLOEMER: The reason I ask is

8 looking at whole-house dehumidification, how are

9 you going to accommodate products that have either

10 modulating or variable speed capabilities that are

11 on the market today or going to be on the market

12 in the future?

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

14 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I'm going to say two

15 things. One is we're going to get to the proposal

16 for whole-homes later today. Two, we also have in

17 our regs generally speaking waiver provisions.

18 If you feel there is a product who is

19 required to be tested pursuant to the DOE test

20 procedure and the DOE test procedure would be

21 unrepresentative of its energy use, you can apply

22 for a waiver, which is the consideration of an
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1 alternative method of test for that unit, if it

2 has a new technology or innovative method, and the

3 test procedure does not accurately account for it.

4 Also, we would welcome comments to the

5 extent that you do not feel the proposal later

6 today addresses those technologies on how we might

7 do such things.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: That's actually helpful.

9 Doug Rawald.

10 MR. RAWALD: I just want to reiterate

11 what Ashley said at the end, which is it's very

12 helpful to us if you anticipate things that we are

13 not seeing from your point of view as an industry

14 member to tell us what they are, tell us how to

15 address them and how to do that, especially

16 forthcoming technology.

17 If we can avoid the need for people to

18 apply for waivers by anticipating things now,

19 that's helpful. Your comments to us will be

20 extremely helpful in us avoiding that problem.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. You see the

22 comment box. We're interested in any additional
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1 thoughts on control settings. Jen Cleary.

2 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. We agree

3 with DOE's proposal.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Jennifer.

5 Yes, Brice?

6 MR. BOWLEY: Brice Bowley, GE. Yes, we

7 also agree with the test procedure proposals for

8 control settings.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you. We're

10 moving on.

11 MR. SINGERMAN: Okay. That concludes

12 the Appendix X clarifications that DOE is

13 proposing. I believe we have a break set here in

14 the agenda.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Let's keep going.

16 MR. SINGERMAN: Okay. We will now move

17 on to the proposed provisions for Appendix X1, the

18 new Appendix X1.

19 MR. SINGERMAN: DOE is proposing to

20 incorporate some methodology that would result in

21 a more accurate and representative active mode

22 test for dehumidifiers. There are three main
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1 areas that DOE is proposing regarding the test

2 conditions, whole-home dehumidifier test set3 up, test conduct, as well as a fan-only mode test.

4 For the dehumidification mode, the

5 current test conditions are 80 degree Fahrenheit

6 dry-bulb and 69.6 Fahrenheit wet-bulb temperature,

7 which correlates with a 60 percent relative

8 humidity.

9 In response to the framework notice and

10 public meeting, commenters noted that there was

11 variability in both the geographic installations

12 for dehumidifiers as well as locations where they

13 are installed within the living space.

14 Commenters also noted that the test

15 procedure conditions are higher, both temperature

16 and humidity levels are higher than those that are

17 often seen in the field.

18 Commenters noted that frost conditions

19 are not addressed by the test procedure

20 conditions. Frost often happens at less than 65

21 degrees and is typical in a basement installation.

22 Commenters also noted that AHAM DH-1-
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1 2008 also includes a low temperature test at a 65

2 degree Fahrenheit dry-bulb temperature with a 60

3 percent relative humidity.

4 DOE looked at some initial information

5 which suggested that basement temperatures where

6 dehumidifiers are often installed ranges between

7 55 and 75 degrees Fahrenheit dry-bulb. DOE found

8 this in the ORNL Building Foundation Design

9 Handbook and Energy Center of Wisconsin Field

10 Study.

11 Because of this large range, DOE went

12 ahead and tried to identify a representative test

13 condition that would represent dehumidifiers'

14 operation in the field.

15 DOE looked at both climate data and

16 RECS usage data. First, DOE looked for the usage

17 by location, and determined regions and sub18 regions and states within those sub-regions that

19 represent primary dehumidifier use, and DOE found

20 this in the RECS 2009 survey data.

21 DOE then moved on and looked at ambient

22 conditions. DOE found average hourly ambient
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1 temperature, relative humidity, and ground

2 temperature at 40 inches below the surface, which

3 would represent a basement installation, and this

4 was state by state, and found this from the NCDC

5 and NOAA data for 2012.

6 DOE then removed all the hours that

7 would not represent dehumidifier use, which was

8 all hours below 60 percent relative humidity.

9 DOE then combined the hourly state level

10 data to determine an average monthly

11 representative condition for each sub-region, and

12 then DOE combined using a weighted average the

13 sub-regions into regions, and then a national

14 average for monthly ambient conditions.

15 DOE then combined these monthly climate

16 data with AHAM's monthly usage estimates that were

17 submitted in 2006 and calculated an overall

18 national average conditions for regions that

19 represent the majority of dehumidifier use.

20 The result of this analysis was that the

21 national average annual ambient temperature was 64

22 degrees Fahrenheit and the national average annual
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1 soil temperature was 65.2 degrees Fahrenheit.

2 Based on that analysis, DOE estimated

3 and believes that 65 degree Fahrenheit is the most

4 representative dry-bulb temperature for

5 dehumidification mode testing. DOE notes that

6 this is consistent with the AHAM's DH-1-2008 low

7 temperature test, which is at 65 degrees dry-bulb

8 and 60 percent relative humidity.

9 DOE performed another analysis that

10 looked at the number of annual operating hours

11 that would fall into different test conditions,

12 including tolerances. So, for 65 and 80, DOE

13 compared the two, and found that many more hours

14 fell into the 65 degree bin than the 80 degree

15 test condition bin.

16 DOE is proposing 65 degrees Fahrenheit

17 as a representative dry-bulb temperature.

18 Alternatively, DOE considered a combined

19 approach that would look at both performance from

20 65 degrees dry-bulb and 80 degrees Fahrenheit dry21 bulb. Those would be combined using a weighted

22 average based on the number of hours that fall
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1 into the different test conditions.

2 DOE is interested in any input on other

3 weighting factors besides what DOE has concluded,

4 and just notes there would be a significant

5 increase in test burden with this approach because

6 it would require two stabilization periods and two

7 six hour test periods.

8 DOE is proposing for whole-home

9 dehumidifiers that they also be tested at the same

10 test conditions for portables at 65 degrees dry11 bulb and 60 percent relative humidity. However,

12 alternatively, commenters did suggest that the

13 inlet air dry-bulb temperature for whole-home

14 dehumidifiers is often close to the home's

15 thermostat set point.

16 DOE looked at the RECS' data again and

17 found that the average indoor temperature for the

18 northeast and Midwest regions, which are those

19 with the primary dehumidifier use, was about 73

20 degrees Fahrenheit.

21 Therefore, DOE may consider requiring

22 that whole-home dehumidifiers, instead of being
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1 tested at 65 degrees be tested at 73 degrees dry2 bulb with 60 percent relative humidity.

3 This is the last slide in this section,

4 just to look at the performance impacts at these

5 different reduced temperatures. On the left we

6 have a table where DOE tested at both 80 and 65

7 degrees. We have portable and whole-home

8 dehumidifiers in there, separated out by product

9 class.

10 You can see that the class averages

11 ranged for a capacity reduction of about 36 to 53

12 percent, and 21 to 36 percent reduction for EF,

13 from 80 to

14 65.

15 DOE also performed some numerical

16 analysis to estimate what the performance would be

17 at 73 degrees for whole-home dehumidifiers and

18 found the average reduction in capacity from 80 to

19 73 was 16 percent reduction in capacity and 7

20 percent reduction in EF.

21 DOE welcomes all comments on the

22 revision and proposal to change the dry-bulb
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1 ambient condition for dehumidification mode from

2 80 degrees to 65 degrees in the new Appendix X1,

3 and any comment on the associated impacts to the

4 IEF and the capacity.

5 In addition, DOE also welcomes input on

6 the alternate approach, which would combine the

7 performance of 80 and 65 degree test conditions,

8 and also the weighting factor that would be

9 associated with that approach.

10 DOE also seeks comment on the alternate

11 73 degrees test condition for whole-home

12 dehumidifiers that is more representative of the

13 residential thermostat settings.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Comments? John?

15 MR. BLOEMER: John Bloemer again. One

16 is absolutely we support and commend DOE for

17 bringing together a better rating condition of

18 products being rated at their normal use

19 condition. It is a breath of fresh air because up

20 to this point, we have been testing our products

21 at 80-60, which is from a market reason, and when

22 we compare it to something like a portable, it is
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1 the only point of reference the community has, but

2 we would feel better rating our products at use

3 condition.

4 Also, the ASHRAE community would also

5 like that because it allows the building designers

6 to better monitor and estimate the energy use of

7 houses, the products that are going into the

8 house, and this has been a discussion among the

9 ASHRAE community, trying to pick a design

10 condition, and 73 is not far off of what we as an

11 organization kind of all agreed to.

12 The other thing I'd like to recommend is

13 if we go with the philosophy of designing it as

14 use conditions, possibly two rating points. In

15 other words, it will allow a manufacturer to

16 optimize a dehumidifier for a basement application

17 or a living space or other applications, instead

18 of trying to weight them, and we have to give up

19 one or the other, if we can guess the intended

20 application.

21 For whole-home, 73 is again a good

22 rating point, we feel, for these products. 73-60
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1 percent RH. That is what we see.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, John. Brice?

3 MR. BOWLEY: Brice Bowley, GE. I guess

4 the one thing I have a little bit of concern about

5 with the 65 is just reproducibility of the test.

6 There is less water in the air. I expect there to

7 be more variation. A little bit of concern.

8 I know there are people already looking

9 at the variability of the dehum test procedure. I

10 just have some concern that the reduced moisture

11 will increase that variability.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Would you propose

13 something different?

14 MR. BOWLEY: I mean at the 80 degrees,

15 we do get--there is more moisture in the air, the

16 system does run more consistently. There are no

17 issues of freeze up. I think the 80 makes a much

18 easier test condition.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: DOE said they were trying

20 to get something close to the operating condition.

21 MR. BOWLEY: I understand; yes.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Jennifer Cleary.
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1 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. AHAM

2 members are still reviewing this. We will provide

3 feedback in our written comments.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Doug Rawald.

5 MR. RAWALD: This is Doug Rawald.

6 Brice, is there a method that you would offer that

7 we can use to test at 80 degrees but still account

8 for what would actually be the operating

9 temperature? How could we do that? Could you

10 offer that in your comments possibly, think about

11 that and offer it in your written comments.

12 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thanks. John,

13 please.

14 MR. BLOEMER: I just wanted to add onto

15 Brice, we do test our products down to 60 and 65

16 degrees in our lab, and it is difficult,

17 especially in Madison, Wisconsin in the middle of

18 winter, getting that equipment operating. There

19 is a burden at 65 but it can be overcome, and when

20 it was 20 below this winter, there were days we

21 couldn't test.

22 (Laughter.)
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1 MR. RAWALD: John, in your written

2 comments, if you could provide what is the cost of

3 trying to overcome those hurdles, and is that

4 something that would be an expensive thing or is

5 that something that is easily overcome by folks.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Doug.

7 MS. NOLL: This is Elizabeth Noll, NRDC.

8 NRDC supports the proposal to test at 65 degrees

9 and commends the Department for trying to pick a

10 point that represents the operating condition.

11 From our perspective, again, we are interested to

12 hear what manufacturers have to say on the two

13 temperature approach. It seems unduly burdensome,

14 but obviously not our point.

15 Again, on the 73 degrees, if that

16 reflects the operating conditions, that seems

17 reasonable, but again, when you're comparing the

18 whole-home and the portables that are going to be

19 tested together, they are going to have to do the

20 same test procedure, is that going to be a

21 challenge.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you. Joanna
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1 Mauer has a question or comment on line. Joanna,

2 unmute your phone and we will hope to hear you.

3 MS. MAUER: Can you hear me?

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, you're good.

5 MS. MAUER: Great. Just to echo

6 Elizabeth's comments, we really appreciate the

7 work that DOE conducted to investigate our

8 concerns regarding the ambient temperatures and

9 the current test procedure. We strongly support

10 the proposed change from 80 degrees to 65 for

11 portable dehumidifiers to better reflect field

12 conditions and to better ensure energy savings in

13 the field. We are still evaluating the ambient

14 temperatures for whole-home dehumidifiers, but it

15 looks like 73 degrees is a reasonable temperature

16 to reflect the conditions under which those

17 products operate.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you, Joanna.

19 John, question?

20 MR. BLOEMER: In preparation for my

21 written comments, was DOE's intent to test

22 products at their intended use condition or where
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1 they are being used today?

2 The reason I ask that question is

3 something like a whole-home dehumidifiers,

4 ideally, to save energy in a home, we'd like

5 people setting their cooling set point to 78

6 degrees. If you went into homes today, you might

7 find an average of 73 because people are over

8 cooling to remove humidity. As we propose a

9 written comment both as an organization and

10 company, and as an organization inside ASHRAE,

11 would it better for us to think about what the

12 design condition is or the as used condition?

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

14 MS. ARMSTRONG: I think we urge--

15 obviously, the Department is with you in promoting

16 just more efficient, better use of things and

17 their intended use. Having said that, I think our

18 test procedures should reflect how they are

19 actually used in the field.

20 I think we would appreciate comments

21 that would get to that answer and to the extent

22 you also want to submit comments if the intended
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1 use is different, we welcome those as well.

2 I think we are really trying to get

3 after how things are used in the field to give

4 people an indication of exactly that.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, John. That

6 was a good question. Jennifer Cleary.

7 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. I just

8 had a question about how the testing was done for

9 the results that are on Slide 34. Did you do like

10 proposed X1 to proposed X1 with the only

11 difference being the temperature or was one X and

12 one X1? Can you tell us?

13 MR. SINGERMAN: I believe they were

14 mostly Appendix X1. However, I think the

15 psychrometer placement proposal might not have

16 been in place for this testing, but DOE doesn't

17 believe that would have changed the test results

18 significantly.

19 MS. CLEARLY: Okay.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Additional

21 questions or comments?

22 (No response.)
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

2 MR. SINGERMAN: Great, thank you. DOE

3 also addressed relative humidity test conditions.

4 Commenters were concerned with the current 60

5 percent relative humidity test conditions. They

6 indicated there are adverse health effects which

7 are minimized between 40 and 60, which are not

8 outside of that range. People generally do not

9 notice relative humidity fluctuations between 25

10 and 60 but may if it gets higher than 60.

11 Units in the Cadmus Group study had an

12 average setting of 60 percent relative humidity,

13 and that in a Wisconsin Energy Center study,

14 nearly half the units maintained a relative

15 humidity at less than 60 percent, and only five

16 were operated more than 60 percent.

17 Commenters recommended that the test

18 conditions for dehumidification mode be less than

19 60 percent relative humidity.

20 DOE performed some additional research

21 and reviewed a number of studies and standards.

22 DOE looked at ASHRAE 55's standard for
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1 environmental conditions for human occupancy, an

2 OSHA Technical Manual, Cadmus Group, and a

3 Wisconsin Energy Center field study. DOE also

4 performed some metering study on its own, as well

5 as reviewing manufacturer literature.

6 As a result of this review, DOE found

7 that consumers typically use their dehumidifiers

8 to achieve a relative humidity between 50 and 55

9 percent. In order to operate continuously in

10 dehumidification mode, the ambient relative

11 humidity would have to be higher than that range,

12 so higher than 55 percent.

13 For a test with conditions fixed at 60

14 percent relative humidity, it would actually

15 represent a set point below 60. It would

16 represent a set point that would be between 50 and

17 55.

18 Therefore, DOE doesn't propose any

19 amendments to the 60 percent relative humidity

20 specification, and notes that the 60 percent

21 relative humidity specification is actually

22 consistent with the three ambient temperature
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1 tests in AHAM's DH-1-2008.

2 DOE seeks comment on the proposal to

3 maintain a 60 percent relative humidity for test

4 conditions in dehumidification mode, and just

5 notes that at the reduced 65 degree dry-bulb

6 temperature condition, it would correspond with

7 the 56.6 degrees Fahrenheit wet-bulb temperature.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

9 MR. BLOEMER: We would support the 60

10 percent. It is kind of where product we would

11 recommend turn on, absolutely home owners will run

12 them down for comfort. If you're using them just

13 for preservation, you can go a little bit higher

14 in our opinion. Sixty percent is kind of a good

15 number.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Brice?

17 MR. BOWLEY: I support the 60 percent as

18 well.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you; appreciate

20 that. Jennifer Cleary.

21 MS. CLEARY: Jennifer Cleary. We're

22 tentatively supporting maintaining it. I think we
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1 are just doing testing to see how this corresponds

2 with some of the other proposals. Barring some

3 sort of unexpected result, we would support this

4 as well.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: In your written comments;

6 yes.

7 MS. CLEARY: Yes.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Joanna Mauer, please

9 speak.

10 MS. MAUER: I'm just curious what

11 typical deadband regions are like for

12 dehumidifiers. In other words, if a consumer

13 selects an RH setting of say 50 percent, at what

14 RH level would the compressor turn on?

15 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

16 MR. BLOEMER: I can only speak for

17 really our products, and the answer is kind of

18 vague.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Do you do other than

20 whole-home?

21 MR. BLOEMER: We don't do portable.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: You do only whole-home?
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1 MR. BLOEMER: We only do whole-home.

2 Our controls are designed for five percent

3 deadband, but we also have controls that were off

4 dew point and not RH. It varies depending upon

5 the sensors, the control algorithms, and what you

6 are really trying to control.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: I see. Do we have

8 someone who can answer the question with

9 portables?

10 MS. MAUER: Thank you.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: Brice?

12 MR. BOWLEY: No, I don't have it off the

13 top of my head. I can look it up and provide it.

14 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Thank you.

15 Additional questions or comments here?

16 (No response.)

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. We're moving on.

18 MR. SINGERMAN: All right. Thank you.

19 I am now going to pass it over to Andrew Jean20 Louis. He's going to talk about whole-home

21 dehumidifiers and fan-only mode.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: I love the graphics here.
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1 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Thanks, Nadav,

2 appreciate it. Hi, everyone. Let's get started.

3 To start things off, whole-home

4 dehumidifiers are intended to be installed and

5 attached to a whole-home's ducted system. Some

6 distinguishing characteristics of whole-home

7 dehumidifiers include ducts that are attached to

8 both inlet and outlet air. Also, whole-home

9 dehumidifiers may have fresh air collars that

10 bring in air from outside the home to inside the

11 conditioned space.

12 Another distinguishing characteristic

13 would be a subset of whole-home dehumidifiers,

14 refrigerant-desiccant units, that have a

15 reactivation air stream with inlet and outlet that

16 also removes moisture in addition to the

17 refrigeration system.

18 The current test procedure does not

19 account for these field conditions that impose an

20 external static pressure on an unit, and in turn,

21 misrepresents actual capacity and efficiency.

22 DOE tested a sample of 13 whole-home
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1 units, including two refrigerant-desiccant units,

2 to investigate the test methods that would be

3 incorporated in Appendix X1 for ducted

4 installations.

5 These figures illustrate the differences

6 between your typical refrigeration only whole-home

7 dehumidifier on the left, where you have your

8 evaporator and condenser working together to

9 remove moisture, but to the right, you have a

10 slightly more complicated system that includes a

11 desiccant wheel that removes moisture on top of

12 the moisture that is removed by the evaporator.

13 I guess the difference here is that

14 desiccant wheel is removing vapor water while the

15 evaporator is removing liquid water.

16 DOE proposed a couple of definitions,

17 the first being for "process air," and that

18 would be the air supplied to the dehumidifier from

19 the dehumidified space, and discharged to the

20 dehumidified space after the moisture has been

21 removed by means of the refrigeration system.

22 The other definition would be for
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1 "reactivation air," which is the air drawn from

2 unconditioned space, which is basically outside,

3 to remove moisture from the desiccant wheel of the

4 refrigerant-desiccant dehumidifier. That's

5 discharged to the unconditioned space, again, back

6 outside of the home.

7 Refrigerant-desiccant units require a

8 bit more care to get the right capacity

9 measurement because the water collected from a

10 refrigerant-desiccant unit doesn't represent the

11 entire amount of moisture removed from a home

12 system.

13 DOE proposes a calculation that

14 determines capacity through comparison of

15 psychrometric conditions in both the inlet and

16 outlet process air to determine how much water

17 or moisture is removed from the system.

18 This is just an illustration of that

19 calculation, which takes the absolute humidity and

20 the volumetric flow rates of both inlets and

21 outlets to compare, to get at that total moisture

22 removed. That would be looked at throughout the
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1 whole entire test period.

2 To get at the difference between the

3 vapor calculation that DOE proposes and the

4 traditional capacity method, DOE investigated

5 several samples, and this table illustrates that

6 investigation.

7 For the most part, there is a pretty

8 clear correlation between the two methods, but

9 when you get to refrigerant-desiccant units, you

10 see there is a very large difference, like for

11 example, W7 or W12. There is a huge difference

12 between the two methods. That is because the

13 traditional method isn't capturing all the

14 moisture.

15 The results show that the refrigerant16 desiccant removes about a third or more of the

17 moisture by means of the desiccant or desiccant

18 wheel.

19 To aid in DOE's proposal, DOE reviewed

20 the test set up by the National Renewable Energy

21 Laboratory and its research on whole-home

22 dehumidifiers, and those reports are cited in the
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1 NOPR.

2 Also, DOE referenced the Air Movement

3 and Control Association International, Inc.

4 standard, or AMCA Standard 210-07, to aid in the

5 development of the proposed duct length and sensor

6 placements.

7 Let's talk a little bit more about the

8 features of the whole-home dehumidifier. Fresh

9 air, like I mentioned before--actually, this is

10 new. Fresh air from the exterior of the air may

11 be brought into the home to improve the air

12 quality, and that would be brought in through an

13 additional inlet port, which is illustrated in

14 this image here.

15 The results for dehumidifiers connected

16 to this fresh air intake as opposed to not being

17 connected to it saw an average of a three percent

18 increase in capacity and four percent increase in

19 energy factor.

20 DOE proposes that these fresh air

21 collars be sealed during testing mainly due to the

22 added test burden they would incur because of the
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1 extra test step you would need.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Doug Rawald.

3 MR. RAWALD: We are going to go on for

4 quite a while without a comment box, so if anybody

5 has anything to say about anything that jumps out

6 as we are going through this, that would be

7 helpful.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you; appreciate

9 that. I saw a little movement on this side of the

10 room. I don't want to diminish anyone's capacity

11 to comment here. You want to comment?

12 MR. BLOEMER: Not right now.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. We'll keep going

14 then. Thanks, Doug.

15 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Another effort to keep

16 testing burden to a minimum, DOE investigated

17 performance impacts of connecting only an

18 instrumented outlet duct versus monitoring

19 conditions in both inlet and outlet. This table

20 demonstrates that analysis.

21 Again, in an effort to keep test burden

22 to a minimum, DOE is proposing to only require
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1 outlet test ducts.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes, Elizabeth?

3 MS. NOLL: The inlet and outlet, how

4 does that compare with what manufacturers are

5 doing already? Do you have any sense of that?

6 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: In terms of testing?

7 MS. NOLL: Testing.

8 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: I will have to defer to

9 the manufacturers.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: John, do you want to

11 respond?

12 MR. BLOEMER: Your question was how do

13 we do it?

14 MS. NOLL: Yes.

15 MR. BLOEMER: We do it similar. We

16 bring in conditioned air and then measure pints

17 per day of the unit. It's very similar to what we

18 do today.

19 The comment I would have with the

20 ventilation duct, again, that's all part of the

21 inlet air, and depending on what the ventilation

22 air is, so opening and closing the duct really--if
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1 you're picking a rating condition, the inlet air

2 would have the same condition if you chose not to

3 close that duct off, in our opinion.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

5 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: I guess I will move on.

6 Some of the specifications for the test ducts, DOE

7 proposes that Figures 7A and 16 of AMCA 210-07

8 would provide conditions representative of normal

9 operation while requiring the fewest components.

10 Some of the duct lengths and sensor

11 placements are specified as a function of duct

12 diameter, as illustrated in the figures in the

13 NOPR.

14 Some of the highlights of those

15 specifications are a ten inch diameter. I guess

16 the majority of units covered so far have a ten

17 inch diameter but there are different diameters

18 that we will address a bit later.

19 The material of the test duct will be

20 comprised of galvanized mild steel, which is

21 commonly used in HVAC applications and typically

22 unaffected by moisture. Lastly, insulation, the
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1 test duct would require an R value of at least

2 six, and the seams and edges of that insulation

3 sealed with tape.

4 I mentioned transition sections for

5 collars that don't have exactly ten inches. DOE

6 proposes the use of transition sections that allow

7 that connection. DOE referenced Section 5.2.1.3

8 of AMCA 210-07 for a maximum 7.5 angle for

9 convergent and 3.5 for divergent.

10 With the proposed ten inch diameter, you

11 would require at least 20 feet of straight ducting

12 to get laminar flow before hitting a sensor, and

13 that would require a very large test chamber, so

14 in an effort to keep burden to a minimum, DOE

15 proposes the use of flow straighteners, as

16 specified by AMCA 210-07, that would reduce the

17 duct length to a more manageable size. This is

18 just an illustration of the requirements for that

19 flow straightener.

20 The next couple of slides kind of

21 discuss the special requirements--

22 MR. BROOKMAN: I'd like to see if we
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1 have any comments on this. John?

2 MR. BLOEMER: I guess given that you

3 brought the point up of the current length of 20

4 feet, our test chamber would have a hard time

5 maintaining that.

6 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Right.

7 MR. BLOEMER: I guess the question I

8 have for the DOE is has anyone ever studied the

9 difference between testing that we do today, we

10 put the unit down in a room and condition the room

11 and bring the air in, versus all this stuff--I

12 don't know if there would be a difference in

13 performance or how the unit was measured with or

14 without the duct length requirement.

15 MR. BROOKMAN: Judy Reich.

16 MS. REICH: Judy Reich from Navigant. I

17 think the issue is the external static pressure

18 and if you were able to provide a means to achieve

19 that same external static pressure across the unit

20 with a shorter duct length while still ensuring

21 that the flow is sufficiently laminar coming into

22 the unit, that the test procedure is reproducible,
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1 then that would be information we would be very

2 interested in.

3 MR. BLOEMER: Yeah, we do external

4 static pressure testing. We don't use that long a

5 length, and the reason is we have done enough

6 testing because we have filters at the inlet of

7 our unit, that the air is really evenly

8 distributed over the coil, so the air hitting the

9 coil, we feel, is evenly distributed.

10 The advantage of making it evenly

11 distributed at the duct work, we just don't

12 personally see it right now. That's why I asked

13 if someone has done some testing, that we may be

14 missing something.

15 MS. REICH: You know, I think we were

16 looking at industry accepted standards through the

17 AMCA procedures, so any information you have on

18 your approach would be of use.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Would you suggest your

20 method is more commonplace?

21 MR. BLOEMER: Since we're a fairly new

22 industry, I don't think there is commonplace.
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1 It's what we do today.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. This is an

3 interesting point. DOE is always trying to strike

4 a balance between accuracy and burden in a test

5 procedure. Additional comments here?

6 (No response.)

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Nothing additional?

8 Okay.

9 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Okay. The next couple

10 of slides discuss some of the special sensors that

11 would be required for refrigerant-desiccants in

12 whole-home dehumidifiers because of that proposed

13 calculation.

14 The first would be a dry-bulb

15 temperature sensor, and DOE proposes to reference

16 Section 5.3.5 of ASHRAE Standard 41.1, which is

17 the centers of segmented-grids for dry-bulb

18 temperature sensors.

19 That proposal would require at least

20 four sections for the center to have a

21 thermocouple or temperature sensor be placed

22 within it. DOE further proposed that a
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1 temperature be measured five inches upstream of

2 the inlet collar and 95 inches downstream of the

3 outlet collar. That is also in accordance with

4 AMCA 210-07.

5 The next sensor is relative humidity.

6 The relative humidity in these units will be

7 measured in both air streams, both the process

8 and reactivation, and for the process air, the

9 calculation would require both measurements in

10 inlet and outlet ducts and reactivation stream

11 would require only an inlet duct, just to make

12 sure the ambient conditions are as specified by

13 the test.

14 DOE considered two sets of options for

15 monitoring relative humidity. The first being a

16 chilled mirror hygrometer. The advantage there is

17 it is accurate up to two percent relative humidity

18 at 65 degrees dry-bulb and 60 percent relative

19 humidity. However, they are costly to procure and

20 to maintain because of the frequent cleaning

21 that's involved.

22 The second option was an aspirating
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1 psychrometer, which is comprised of two

2 thermometers that detect both dry-bulb and wet3 bulb temperature. The fancy ones can be as

4 accurate up to one percent, and these are already

5 commonly used for portable dehumidifier testing.

6 DOE proposed the use of an aspirating

7 psychrometer due to its lower testing burden

8 compared to that of chilled mirror hygrometers.

9 Do we have a comment here?

10 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

11 MR. BLOEMER: One of the things we

12 haven't worked through and maybe we need some

13 clarification, in the test standard today, they

14 talk about temperature measurement accuracy and RH

15 measurement accuracy, and the two actually aren't

16 the same and they counteract each other.

17 For example, we talk about one

18 percent accuracy of RH sensors and .1 percent

19 accuracy of temperature sensors. The resulting RH

20 between those is different. Somehow, we need to

21 clarify what is the overruling control

22 MR. BROOKMAN: What would you suggest be
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1 done?

2 MR. BLOEMER: Temperature is definitely

3 less expensive.

4 MR. BROOKMAN: To control?

5 MR. BLOEMER: To control and measure.

6 Accuracy of one percent RH can be expensive and

7 difficult to measure. The other thing in this is

8 what we do today is we actually control the room

9 that it's in versus trying to measure and control

10 inlet air. It just makes the test setup a little

11 easier to do.

12 I'm aware of some of the testing done at

13 LBNL or ORNL that was doing this. It's

14 interesting what they are doing. I don't know

15 which one is better. I don't know if there would

16 be a big difference between conditioning a room

17 versus conditioning inlet air.

18 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: John, quick question

19 for you. When you say you are measuring the

20 conditions of the test chamber, are you also--

21 you're controlling for the test chamber but are

22 you also monitoring the air right before the unit
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1 or do you just assume that temperature is the

2 same?

3 MR. BLOEMER: No, we do. We monitor

4 right before, but we don't have the long duct

5 lengths that are proposed right now.

6 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Okay. Thank you.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Since you are measuring

8 it, what you're finding is that the room

9 temperature is the same or very similar to the

10 inlet temperature?

11 MR. BLOEMER: Yeah, the room was

12 designed to make sure that we properly mixed

13 inside the room, so with the unit running, it does

14 mix everything, so we do see room measurements and

15 inlet conditions being the same.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Brice, do you want

17 to comment here?

18 MR. BOWLEY: No.

19 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments here?

20 (No response.)

21 MR. BROOKMAN: These detailed written

22 comments will be very helpful to the Department as
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1 they think about this.

2 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Thanks. Next

3 would be the static pressure instrumentation,

4 which would apply for all whole-home

5 dehumidifiers. The static tube construction would

6 be in accordance with Section 4.2.2 of AMCA 210-

7 07, which is the section on pitot-static tubes.

8 The arrangement of pitot-static tubes in each

9 traverse across the plane of the duct would be

10 according to Section 4.3.1 of

11 AMCA 210-07.

12 Lastly, the measured static pressure

13 accuracy within .01 at each point of the traverse

14 would be average to represent the static pressure

15 of that location within the duct.

16 Pressure instrumentation would be

17 proposed to have an accuracy of plus or minus .01

18 inches of water column.

19 DOE proposes that whole-home

20 dehumidifiers have a test that is conducted with

21 an ESP of 0.5 inches of water column. To get at

22 that point, DOE looked at several sources,
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1 manufacturer literature, which listed performance

2 as low as zero inches of water column up to 0.8

3 inches of water column. The Center for Energy and

4 Environment conducted a study for 81 Minnesotan

5 homes, and that resulted in an ESP of 0.55 inches

6 of water column.

7 Lastly, DOE's analysis in the furnace

8 fan rulemaking concluded that there is 0.5 inches

9 of water column that would be representative of

10 field duct conditions in homes.

11 ESP would be calculated as the

12 difference in static pressure between the inlet

13 and outlet ducts. In Appendix X1, we reference

14 Section 7.5.2 of AMCA 210-07, to calculate the

15 loss between the unit under test and the planes

16 where the measurement is taken to account for

17 losses between the measurement and the unit.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Let's see if we have

19 comments here. John?

20 MR. BLOEMER: Yeah, the whole external

21 static pressure on whole-home units is probably a

22 good indication of where this industry is at and
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1 its beginning.

2 The products are applied in different

3 ways. Some are applied where they pull air out of

4 the return duct and go into the supply duct. Some

5 are applied return to return. Some will bring in

6 external air and send it in and put it in the

7 return duct.

8 There is varying static pressures that

9 these products can be applied to. I know that we

10 have tested our products and we even made some of

11 our performance claims with external static

12 pressures. We also made some performance claims

13 on other products without external static

14 pressures. It is really when we are designing and

15 claiming performance as what our intended use of

16 that product would be at the end. They can be

17 applied multiple ways.

18 To pick one static pressure right now I

19 think is an undue burden on the industry because

20 we don't have an accepted method of installation

21 or a preferred method as an industry.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: What would you propose?
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1 MR. BLOEMER: The industry is so in its

2 infancy right now, to put this type of testing in

3 place may be an undue burden on us because we

4 don't have a good solution. We don't have an

5 accepted method of practice. Right now, any

6 number is just arbitrary.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: And if there was, for

8 example, a range in place, how would that affect

9 your ability to conduct the test?

10 MR. BLOEMER: It's doable. Again, the

11 range that's proposed here is probably correct.

12 Residential HVAC systems do operate up to eight13 tenths of an inch, but that's an extreme case, and

14 the HVAC manufacturer is going to not recommend it

15 be operated at that point. On average, .5 is

16 probably in the range.

17 Again, as manufacturers, we are finding

18 this may not be the best installation of a whole19 home dehumidifier to go from return to supply. It

20 may be a test point that isn't indicative of how

21 products are actually used and installed, and then

22 it provides an energy burden on these products
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1 because they have different fans that operate at

2 higher static pressures versus a less energy

3 intensive fan that can operate at zero static

4 pressure.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Ashley Armstrong.

6 MS. ARMSTRONG: I'm thinking. I'm going

7 to ask a question of you. One of the things I

8 think the Department is trying to do is come up

9 with a method that is representative of both how

10 these products operate in the field but would also

11 provide for a method that allows competing

12 products to be compared equitably across that

13 gives consumers information about how they would

14 perform.

15 Your point on these products and in the

16 literature is manufacturers may specify a whole

17 wide range of intended uses or potentially

18 different installations that would affect their

19 performance, and I think the ask of you is well,

20 how does DOE kind of whittle that down into

21 something that then would provide equitable rating

22 conditions across the board for products with the
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1 same intended use to represent their performance

2 in the field, to give consumers better information

3 about making selections?

4 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

5 MR. BLOEMER: I think the answer to me

6 is the DOE--we would ask that maybe the DOE work

7 with industry to help understand this thing. For

8 example, the industry right now has a RTAR

9 proposed through TC 810 and 2.1 to be able to

10 calculate latent load in a residential

11 application.

12 There is no accepted standard to do

13 that. If we can calculate latent load in a home,

14 then we can turn and look at products and how they

15 are applied to make sure they handle that latent

16 load. Once we understand that, then we can start

17 talking about methods of test, because there will

18 be multiple products that do the same thing.

19 For example, today an air conditioner

20 does run in a dehumidifier mode, or a standard air

21 conditioner hooked up to a thermostat that

22 provides a dehumidification mode.
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1 Those don't have methods of test. I

2 agree that at the end of the day we would like to

3 inform the industry what is the best way to

4 install it for proper application and energy use

5 and give guidance on that.

6 There is just not enough research to be

7 able to provide that right now. All of them are

8 correct answers at this point.

9 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Additional

10 comments here, particularly in response to

11 Ashley's question?

12 (No response.)

13 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay.

14 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Okay. This slide has a

15 table that illustrates how performance changes as

16 static pressure increases. As you move to the

17 right of the table, the static pressure increases,

18 and as you can see, the capacity drops off for

19 pretty much every unit.

20 There is definitely a significant

21 impact, so that's why DOE felt it necessary to

22 establish a standard ESP that is not zero.
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1 Again, this is the same table but for

2 energy factor. Again, the performance has dropped

3 off as static pressure increases.

4 This is another metric that would need

5 to be measured for the refrigerant-desiccant

6 units, and that is the volumetric flow rate. DOE

7 proposed that the volumetric air flow rate be

8 measured in the process air for--excuse me, the

9 refrigerant-desiccant dehumidifiers--to allow use

10 of that calculation that's proposed for that type

11 of unit.

12 DOE proposes to reference Section 7.3.1

13 of AMCA 210, which measures the velocity pressure

14 and would employ the same traverse that's used to

15 measure static pressure.

16 Another item that DOE covered was the

17 measurement frequency. Currently, in Appendix X,

18 the psychrometric data needs to be recorded in ten

19 minute intervals or less for dehumidification

20 mode, and DOE proposed in Appendix X1 to increase

21 that frequency from ten minutes to one minute

22 because the conditions in a test duct can change a
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1 lot more rapidly than compared to a test chamber.

2 At this point, I'd like to remind

3 everyone that DOE is seeking comment on the test

4 setup and testing methodology, for whole-home

5 dehumidifiers in Appendix X1, including

6 refrigerant-desiccant units, and in particular,

7 DOE welcomes comments on the proposed ducting

8 configurations, alternative ambient temperature,

9 and ESP, including equipment costs and testing

10 burden.

11 MR. BROOKMAN: John?

12 MR. BLOEMER: Just to go back to your

13 last comment, the frequency of measure is not

14 important, we support it. It's done

15 electronically. You can do it as fast as you

16 wish. That's fine.

17 Then just the final comment of the duct

18 length is a burden in a test room. That would

19 require us to--we can barely do it today. We can

20 physically fit it, but that doesn't leave room at

21 the end of the ducts to get proper air flow in.

22 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Right.
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1 MR. BLOEMER: It becomes a burden at

2 that duct length.

3 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: At the duct length

4 proposed?

5 MR. BLOEMER: At the duct length

6 proposed. It would be a fairly large room for most

7 facilities.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: What duct length would

9 be--

10 MR. BLOEMER: Again, the way we do it

11 today is--

12 MR. BROOKMAN: No duct?

13 MR. BLOEMER: We don't put the duct

14 length on it unless we're testing it specifically

15 to understand performance in an external static

16 pressure. As a rating condition, I don't know if

17 the duct length is or is not needed, unless there

18 is a static pressure rating.

19 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: I guess the question is

20 when you are testing for external static pressure,

21 what are the typical lengths you do use?

22 MR. BLOEMER: We have about five feet on
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1 each end.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Not five feet--not

3 .11111?

4 MR. BLOEMER: I've never measured that.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Just curious. Any

6 additional comments? These are helpful comments,

7 John.

8 MR. RAWALD: Andrew, would it be helpful

9 if John gave some data along with his comments on

10 that issue for the duct length, for the external

11 static pressure? Would that be helpful?

12 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Yes, that would be very

13 helpful.

14 MR. BLOEMER: On?

15 MR. RAWALD: When you do connect the two

16 ducts to see how performance does drop off, as

17 compared to, I guess, a stand-alone.

18 MR. BLOEMER: Looking at your test data,

19 representing the industry, it was fairly

20 representative. It wouldn't be much different.

21 It would be a data point in some data point you

22 had there.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Kevin Churchill, who is

2 joining us via the Web, has a question or comment.

3 Kevin, unmute your phone and speak.

4 MR. CHURCHILL: Can you hear me?

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes.

6 MR. CHURCHILL: My only comment would be

7 for the duct length--

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Kevin, you're breaking up

9 on us. Are you doing voice over Internet? Now we

10 hear nothing. We're getting feedback. Kevin, we

11 can't hear you.

12 If your question or comment is brief,

13 maybe you could just type it, and we will hand it

14 to the Webmaster who is monitoring the call, and

15 we will get it inserted in the conversation here.

16 All right. Let's proceed.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: Additional comments or

18 questions related to this issue box?

19 (No response.)

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Nothing additional here.

21 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: All right. Another

22 mode that DOE proposed to cover and account for is
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1 fan-only mode. Certain dehumidifiers operate the

2 blower when the compressor is off, after the

3 humidity set point is reached.

4 In other words, just fan-only mode.

5 That is done for a couple of different reasons.

6 First, to draw air over the humidistat to monitor

7 the ambient conditions in the space. Secondly, to

8 defrost and dry the evaporator, and also to

9 circulate air within the conditioned space.

10 A blower may operate continuously or

11 intermittently, depending on the control

12 algorithm, so DOE proposed the following

13 definition for "fan-only mode," which is an

14 active mode in which the dehumidifier:

15 (1) has cycled off its main moisture

16 removal function by humidistat, or humidity sensor

17 or control setting; (2) has activated its fan or

18 blower to operate either cyclically or

19 continuously, and finally; (3) reactivate the main

20 moisture removal function according to humidistat

21 or humidity sensor or signal.

22 DOE proposes in Appendix X1 to measure
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1 average fan-only mode power using a time period of

2 one hour if the fan is running continuously, or at

3 least one hour, including three cycles for cyclic

4 operation.

5 Fan speed would be adjusted to the

6 maximum set point because it is a setting

7 typically recommended to consumers by

8 manufacturers for maximum moisture removal rates.

9 To minimize test burden, testing could

10 be conducted under ambient conditions for

11 dehumidification mode or under standby and off

12 mode testing.

13 No more than one run-in period would be

14 required for all active mode testing. In other

15 words, you can run it in once and you can move on

16 to any of your active mode testing. You don't

17 have to re-run that run-in period.

18 Off cycle annual hours for the

19 integrated energy factor calculation would instead

20 be assigned to a fan-only mode energy use when

21 units have fan-only mode.

22 Another mode of fan mode is user
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1 initiated. Some dehumidifiers allow the user to

2 initiate fan-only mode to circulate air in a room.

3 At this point, DOE isn't proposing to

4 measure energy use in this air circulation fan

5 mode, mainly due to lack of information available

6 on consumer habits around that mode.

7 At this point again I'd like to remind

8 everyone that DOE is seeking comment on the

9 proposed definition for "fan-only mode," as well

10 as comment on the proposals for measuring energy

11 consumption in fan-only mode in Appendix X1,

12 including the use of maximum speed settings for

13 those units with adjustable fan speed settings,

14 the measurement period specifications, and the

15 inclusion of fan-only mode energy consumption in

16 the calculation of integrated energy factor.

17 DOE is also seeking comment on whether

18 fan-only mode energy consumption is independent of

19 ambient conditions.

20 Lastly, DOE welcomes data and input on

21 consumer usage patterns for the fan-only mode

22 initiated by the user to circulate air in the
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1 space.

2 MR. BROOKMAN: Brice?

3 MR. BOWLEY: Brice Bowley, GE. I guess

4 I had several questions related to the fan-only

5 mode.

6 MR. BROOKMAN: Make sure you get that

7 close, Brice. Thank you.

8 MR. BOWLEY: The way I read the

9 proposal, that if the unit was determined not to

10 have a fan-only mode, that it would not be

11 measured or in any way accounted for in the

12 efficiency factor, and I believe that's correct.

13 Then the three areas that are noted,

14 drawing air over the humidistat, defrosting the

15 evaporator and circulating air, none of those are

16 part of the primary function of the dehum, so I

17 think this is one area where if you measure it and

18 put it into the efficiency factor, it's likely

19 going to disappear because it greatly increases

20 the reported energy use.

21 These are all things that are kind of

22 optional on a dehumidifier. I would suspect most
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1 dehums would stop using those functions if it was

2 included into the unit.

3 Room air conditioners. Energy Star has

4 like a ruling with room air conditioners with what

5 they call "energy saver mode," which is something

6 similar, the fan goes off when the compressor goes

7 off, but it allows for some sampling of the air,

8 and it also allows for a certain period of time

9 for the fan to run after the unit is shut off to

10 make sure, in that case, it produces any

11 additional cooling, and in this case, it would be

12 any additional dehumidification.

13 I guess one thought, for defrosting and

14 drawing air for sampling, I would think we would

15 want to maintain those. For those, I would

16 propose those be removed from the definition, that

17 the defrosting and sampling of air, some

18 percentage of time of sampling air, to make sure

19 the humidity is maintained.

20 I guess the other question, like we have

21 noted, if there is a fan-only operation without

22 dehumidification, if it is consumer selectable to
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1 run, either continuously or in an energy saver

2 type mode, could that also be excluded.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Doug Rawald.

4 MR. RAWALD: Brice, I want to follow up

5 on clarifying what you're saying. I want to keep

6 separate the concept of measurement versus being

7 held accountable to a standard, because we are

8 going to get to the fact that this Appendix is

9 going to be used possibly to develop a new

10 standard down the road.

11 When you say exclude it from the

12 definition, you're saying you don't want to

13 measure the actual energy use in these modes

14 whether it is done for sampling or for the other

15 things you articulated; is that correct?

16 MR. BOWLEY: Yes, that's correct.

17 MR. RAWALD: You only want to measure

18 what's going on in the active mode once

19 dehumidifying?

20 MR. BOWLEY: Yes; that's correct.

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Judy Reich, do you have a

22 query/comment?
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1 MS. REICH: I do, I just want to point

2 out that the current test procedure defines an

3 integrated metric that includes not only what I

4 think you are describing, that DOE is proposing to

5 clarify, dehumidification mode energy use, but it

6 also includes the standby mode and off mode energy

7 use. That was required under EPAct.

8 MR. BOWLEY: Right, I understand that

9 the IEF would include standby off mode and active

10 mode. What I'm proposing is that the fan-mode

11 continue to be excluded.

12 MS. REICH: To your point about the

13 consumer initiated fan-mode, DOE is not proposing

14 at this time to include that. It is done entirely

15 separately.

16 MR. BOWLEY: Right, but what I was

17 proposing is if we are going to require a fan18 mode, if that continuous operation with

19 dehumidification, if that is user selectable, then

20 the consumer can either select to use the unit in

21 a mode that has no fan-mode or they can select to

22 run in continuous to provide air circulation with
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1 dehumidification, but the fan-mode would still be

2 excluded.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Thanks for

4 the clarification. It's helpful. John?

5 MR. BLOEMER: For whole-home

6 dehumidification, there will have to be a lot more

7 discussion on what "fan-mode" is here because

8 there are multiple fans that can be actually

9 turned on during this mode. There could be the

10 fan inside the unit. There can be the whole-house

11 fan.

12 There is also logic in place in some

13 products that will sample air while the HVAC is

14 running, so there shouldn't be an energy penalty

15 associated with the product because it has picked

16 times that made energy sense to sample air.

17 There would have to be a lot more

18 definition when we're talking about fan energy and

19 sampling for whole-house dehumidifiers.

20 MR. BROOKMAN: Is there some--

21 MS. ARMSTRONG: (Off microphone.)

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay, thank you. Final
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1 comments on this segment?

2 (No response.)

3 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: At this point, I'd like

4 to turn it over to Bryan to cover the last main

5 topics.

6 MR. BERRINGER: We just have this one

7 item here that talks about the small business

8 impacts. Mainly, it is the burden of testing. DOE

9 identified five small business manufacturers. The

10 impacts we talked about today as far as reducing

11 the ambient temperature. AHAM DH-1-2008 included

12 the 65 degrees F., that suggests that some

13 manufacturers have already tested at the proposed

14 lower test.

15 These are impacts basically in the costs

16 of the testing, the burden of testing that we

17 talked about today, specifically with the whole18 house duct test, refrigeration only whole-house

19 dehumidification.

20 A dehumidifier could cost between $1,500

21 to $3,000, and the refrigerant-desiccant

22 dehumidifier can be almost $8,100. Obviously,
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1 that is an additional cost.

2 As was mentioned about the fan-only mode

3 test, using the same measurement devices as the

4 current test procedure but the cost could be

5 another $2,000 if needed, what you were talking

6 about, Brice.

7 Proposed limit of one psychrometer per

8 dehumidifier test, it could require the purchase

9 of additional psychrometers. The cost of the

10 purchase and the calibration could be $1,000, and

11 also there was discussion about the cost of a tree

12 to hold that, it could be another $300.

13 We are just putting that out there, if

14 anybody has any information on that or any

15 comments on the costs and burdens, I would like to

16 hear any comments at this point.

17 MR. BROOKMAN: If these are

18 representative costs, for example. John?

19 MR. BLOEMER: I think you are missing

20 the cost of conditioning there for the test

21 chamber, which is a major cost associated with

22 this.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Can you estimate what

2 that is?

3 MR. BLOEMER: $25,000/$30,000 to build a

4 room with air conditioning equipment.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: That's an one-time cost?

6 MR. BLOEMER: One time cost. As far as

7 someone setting up to run this test, that has to

8 be included in the cost.

9 MR. BERRINGER: You're doing that now as

10 part of the test requirements, so it's not an

11 additional burden based on the changes to the test

12 procedure; is that a correct statement?

13 MR. BLOEMER: Currently, whole-house

14 humidifiers do not fall under the DOE standard, so

15 this would be a burden to these people because

16 they wouldn't fall under the standard.

17 MR. BERRINGER: Okay.

18 MR. JEAN-LOUIS: Andrew Jean-Louis from

19 Navigant. Would the proposed conditions require

20 you to build a new test chamber?

21 MR. BLOEMER: Speaking just for

22 Aprilaire, if the duct length was used, I think we
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1 would have to move walls, so it would be very

2 expensive. We already have a facility that we

3 test these in. I can't speak to the other

4 manufacturers that are in here that were mostly

5 small businesses also. I don't know what they do

6 for testing.

7 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. Can someone

8 comment on these other figures for the

9 psychrometer, the sampling tree, that kind of

10 stuff?

11 (No response.)

12 MR. BROOKMAN: No additional comments.

13 Okay.

14 MR. BERRINGER: Okay; great. We would

15 like to just go to the point of if there are

16 additional issues the stakeholders would like to

17 discuss at this time that weren't covered in the

18 NOPR, that you think it is appropriate at this

19 time to comment on or have concerns.

20 NOPR

21 MR. BROOKMAN: Jennifer Cleary.

22 MS. CLEARY: I have a few questions.
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1 One was covered in the presentation. I should

2 have asked it earlier, so I apologize. Going back

3 to the discussion on the proposal to change the

4 ambient temperature for portable dehumidifiers to

5 65 degrees.

6 It's totally possible that we missed

7 this in the NOPR, but was there also a change

8 proposed to the equation for capacity to account

9 for that?

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Judy Reich.

11 MS. REICH: Yes.

12 MS. CLEARY: And I assume that was used

13 in the results--Slide 34?

14 MS. REICH: That's correct.

15 MS. CLEARY: Thank you. I have a couple

16 of other questions about something that wasn't

17 covered but is in the NOPR, which is certification

18 and verification, specifically with regard to

19 capacity. DOE proposes to require that the

20 average of the capacities measured for a given

21 sample be used for certification purposes.

22 I guess we just had a couple of
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1 questions about what that average would be. Would

2 that be the exact average or a rounded value?

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Ashley Armstrong.

4 MS. ARMSTRONG: So I'm doing this from

5 memory, I'm going to ask what do you want or what

6 do you think it should be. I think all we

7 specified was a C average of the units in the

8 sample. For lack of there being one in the

9 proposal surrounding capacity, at least for that,

10 I guess the question then becomes do you think

11 there should be.

12 MS. CLEARY: Okay. We'll let you know

13 in our written comments. The other question would

14 be when that rounding would take place or when you

15 would round this average. Would we keep the exact

16 measure and then round the average, which is sort

17 of the question I just asked, or keep the exact

18 measure average and only round at the very end?

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: So in absence of

20 specific guidance, what we typically do is carry

21 through individual, round on the average, but we

22 should be explicit, so if you have a specific
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1 proposal, we welcome your comments.

2 MS. CLEARY: Okay. Thank you. The last

3 question about this, there are so many, I'm

4 assuming that conservative rating is also

5 permitted on the capacities?

6 MS. ARMSTRONG: That's not how the stats

7 were proposed.

8 MS. CLEARY: Okay. Is that something

9 the Department would consider?

10 MS. ARMSTRONG: We welcome comments on

11 all things.

12 MS. CLEARY: Okay. Thank you.

13 MR. BROOKMAN: We have a few comments

14 from those joining us via the Web. Ed Wuesthoff,

15 please unmute your phone.

16 MR. WUESTHOFF: This is Ed Wuesthoff at

17 Friedrich.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: Yes.

19 MR. WUESTHOFF: I was wanting to

20 indicate that the testing at 65 degrees would

21 create a whole new redesign on the products that

22 are currently offered by our company. That would
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1 end up creating larger coils and increased expense

2 for our consumers.

3 MR. BROOKMAN: Ed, those comments in

4 considerable detail in writing would be helpful to

5 the Department.

6 MR. WUESTHOFF: Okay, I will forward

7 those to you in the near future.

8 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Bryan is

9 about to show a slide which will identify where

10 you send everything.

11 In addition, we have a question from

12 Renata Mortazavi, who asks how is "small business"

13 defined?

14 Betsy Kohl.

15 MS. KOHL: Yes. Betsy Kohl, DOE General

16 Counsel. The Small Business Administration

17 provides us with size standards. I believe there

18 is a link in the rule document to where those size

19 standards are located and also an indication of

20 the size standards that we used for this rule, but

21 it is set by the Small Business Administration.

22 MR. BROOKMAN: Okay. They can find it
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1 in the Docket.

2 MS. KOHL: Yes.

3 MS. ARMSTRONG: Just for reference, it

4 is 750 employees or less.

5 MR. BROOKMAN: Thank you, Ashley. Final

6 comments on small business impacts before we go to

7 the comments' slide. We had Kevin Churchill.

8 MR. BERRINGER: Yes, we lost Kevin and

9 apparently he has not resurfaced yet.

10 MR. BROOKMAN: Kevin, do you want to

11 try?

12 (No response.)

13 MR. BERRINGER: Again, we are at the

14 point where if there are any other issues for

15 discussion that were not covered in the NOPR or

16 have not been discussed today. Any other comments

17 or concerns either here or from the Webinar

18 participants?

19 MS. ARMSTRONG: While Bryan shows the

20 slide about how to submit comments, our next

21 meeting for the standard side of this or

22 potentially considering standards isn't slated to
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1 start until 1:00, so my question for you guys is

2 do you want to start earlier, with the hope of

3 getting out of here early, or do you want to

4 postpone until 1:00? It's Friday!

5 UNIDENTIFIED: The earlier, the better.

6 MS. NOLL: (Off microphone.)

7 MS. ARMSTRONG: Bryan will finish this

8 up. My assumption, and maybe this is a bad one, is

9 most people that would be interested in the test

10 procedure will likely be interested in the

11 standards as well.

12 We can send out a note via e-mail to

13 them just to let them know we are starting early.

14 Why don't we take a little longer break, maybe 30

15 minutes, if that is okay.

16 MR. BROOKMAN: Yep.

17 MS. ARMSTRONG: Bryan will wrap this up.

18 MR. BROOKMAN: That sounds good; yes.

19 MR. BERRINGER: Okay, that being said,

20 we discussed submission of written comments.

21 Again, the transcripts will be made available and

22 they will be part of the Docket.
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1 We just ask that for written comments,

2 you identify either the Docket number or the RIN

3 number. You can e-mail those to:

4 Dehumidifier2014TP0010@ee.doe.gov or you can mail

5 them to Brenda Edwards at the address or by

6 courier. There is an address here specifically

7 for sending them to her and her phone number, if

8 you're sending it courier or FedEx.

9 The other thing, just as far as next

10 steps in the agenda, DOE will take the comments,

11 the transcripts and written comments and we will

12 analyze those. Again, the comments are due by

13 August 4. We will analyze those and incorporate

14 those into the final rule as appropriate and

15 respond to those comments.

16 Right now, DOE is anticipating

17 publishing the final rule for the dehumidifier

18 test procedures in January 2015.

19 With that said, I would like to again

20 thank everybody for their participation, and this

21 concludes the test procedure portion of the

22 meeting. Thank you.
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1 MR. BROOKMAN: Just to clarify, we are

2 due for a break, so we are going to take it now.

3 It is just about 10:45. We are going to take a

4 half an hour break. We are going to notify

5 everyone that the standards' meeting will commence

6 at 11:15.

7 For those that are joining us on line,

8 the Webmaster just informed me that you need to

9 log in separately at 11:15 or before 11:15 for the

10 standards' portion of this Webinar, so it's a

11 separate log-in procedure, apparently.

12 Thanks. We had a good morning. We will

13 see you back here and resume at 11:15.

14 (Whereupon, at 10:48 a.m., the

15 meeting was concluded.)

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3 I, CHRISTINE ALLEN, the reporter before whom the

4 foregoing hearing was taken, do hereby certify

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6 foregoing deposition was duly sworn by me; that

7 the testimony of said witness was recorded by me

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