UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OFFICE OF HEARINGS IN THE MATTER OF: MISSISSIPPI AIR EXPRESS, LLC, DOCKET NO. FAA-2014-0866 RESPONDENT.

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TELECONFERENCE HEARING BEFORE THE HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN WEDNESDAY, JUNE 17, 2015 2:08 P.M. HISTORIC JORDAN SPRINGS 1160 JORDAN SPRINGS ROAD STEPHENSON, VIRGINIA 22656Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 2

1 APPEARANCES 2 3 ON BEHALF OF THE COMPLAINANT, 4 FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION: 5 DELTRICK JOHNSON, ESQUIRE 6 OFFICE OF THE REGIONAL COUNCIL, ASO-7 7 SOUTHERN REGION 8 1701 COLUMBIA AVENUE 9 COLLEGE PARK, GEORGIA 30337 10 TELEPHONE: 404.305.5200 11 FACSIMILE: 404.305.5223 12 EMAIL: DELTRICK.JOHNSON@FAA.GOV 13 14 ON BEHALF OF THE RESPONDENT, 15 MISSISSIPPI AIR EXPRESS, LLC: 16 WAYNE E. FERRELL, JR., ESQUIRE 17 LAW OFFICES OF WAYNE E. FERRELL, JR. 18 405 TOMBIGBEE STREET 19 PO BOX 24448 20 JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI 39228 21 TELEPHONE: 601.969.4700 22 FACSIMILE: 601.969.7514 23 EMAIL: WFERRELL@AIRLAWONLINE.COM 24 25Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 3

1 ALSO PRESENT 2 3 CODY SMITH 4 SPENCER WILLIAMS 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 4

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1 TELECONFERENCE HEARING 2 WEDNESDAY, JUNE 17, 2015 3 2:08 P.M. 4 THE COURT: Good afternoon, this is 5 Judge Sullivan. Do I have Mr. Johnson on behalf of 6 the FAA? 7 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. 8 THE COURT: Okay. And Mr. Ferrell on 9 behalf of the respondent, Mississippi Air Express? 10 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. 11 THE COURT: And I should also have and 12 Andrea Mikus from County Court Reporters? 13 COURT REPORTER: Yes, ma'am. 14 THE COURT: Okay. And it's my 15 understanding, counsel, that you've been advised that 16 we have two observers, and I'll be happy to identify 17 them again once we go on the record. 18 Mr. Johnson, is there anyone else 19 appearing with you today? 20 MR. JOHNSON: No, Your Honor. 21 THE COURT: And Mr. Ferrell, same 22 question. 23 MR. FERRELL: No, ma'am. 24 THE COURT: Okay. 25 Madam Court Reporter, are you ready?Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 6

1 COURT REPORTER: Yes, ma'am. 2 THE COURT: Okay. 3 We're on the record in the matter of 4 Mississippi Air Express, LLC. This is docket number 5 FAA-2014-0866. Today is Wednesday, June 17, 2015, and 6 the parties have appeared for a motion conference by 7 telephone. The FAA is represented by its attorney of 8 record, Mr. Deltrick H. Johnson. The respondent, 9 Mississippi Air Express, LLC, is represented by its 10 attorney of record, Mr. Wayne E. Ferrell, Jr. Also 11 present sitting in as observers at the office of 12 hearing is Mr. Cody Smith, an attorney advisor with 13 this office and Mr. Spencer Williams, a law student 14 and judicial intern. So, welcome to you all. 15 What I will do is I'll just briefly 16 identify why we have reconvened, and then we'll go 17 into some oral argument. So, essentially, on April 18 15, 2015, the parties convened by telephone for a 19 scheduled motion conference to present oral argument 20 on the respondent's February 19, 2015 motion to 21 dismiss. During that conference, the parties agreed 22 that supplemental materials might be helpful, and as a 23 result, the conference was continued to today's date 24 and time. After the conference was concluded, an 25 April 17, 2015 order setting second motion conferenceMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 7

1 and deadlines for supplemental filings was filed. 2 Pursuant to that order, on May 1, 2015, the FAA filed 3 the administrator's supplemental response to 4 respondent's motion to dismiss. On May 18, 2015, the 5 respondent filed the respondent's rebuttal to that 6 material. And based on the record before me, the FAA 7 chose not to file a reply. Is that correct, Mr. 8 Johnson? 9 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. 10 THE COURT: Okay. So, we have 11 reconvened today for further argument on the 12 respondent's February 19, 2015 motion to dismiss, and 13 I do need to identify one correction before we get 14 into the meat of this motion. 15 Mr. Johnson, I'm sure this was 16 something that a staff member may have done that you 17 did not catch, but in these particular proceedings, 18 the FAA cannot assert that the administrator is the 19 party's litigant, because there is a separation of 20 powers in civil penalties proceedings, as I'm sure you 21 are aware. And so, I would simply note that it 22 appears to be a clerical error, and I would ask you to 23 discuss that with your staff so that the error doesn't 24 get repeated. Do you need my ... 25 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor.Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 8

1 THE COURT: ... do you need, by any 2 chance, the regulation citations as helpful reference, 3 or are you aware of them already? 4 MR. JOHNSON: I am aware of them 5 already, Your Honor. Thank you. 6 THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much. 7 Let's, then let's start with this. The April 17, 2015 8 order, which set the deadlines for supplemental 9 filing, also talked a little bit about what the issue 10 might be in addition to the general issues that the 11 parties had already briefed. And that was whether or 12 not the FAA had complied with 14 CFR section 13.208 13 subsection D and the initiation and prosecution of 14 this matter. So, because the supplemental material 15 started with the FAA supplemental response, I'm going 16 to turn to the FAA first, and I'm going to ask the FAA 17 to briefly highlight for us what its position is on 18 that matter before I turn to the respondent. 19 Is that acceptable to you, Mr. Ferrell, 20 as the moving party? 21 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. 22 THE COURT: Okay. 23 Mr. Johnson, then let's turn back to 24 you. Can you identify for us why, whether or not you 25 think that section 14 CFR, I'm sorry, 14 CFR sectionMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 9

1 13.208 is applicable and, if so, whether your client 2 complied with it and how? 3 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. 13.208, 4 the Agency argues that 13.208 applies in the sense 5 that, despite having given ... 6 THE COURT: I'm sorry, could you, I'm 7 sorry, could you ... 8 MR. JOHNSON: Sorry. 9 THE COURT: ... stop and speak a little 10 slower for me, please? Go ahead. 11 MR. JOHNSON: Oh, sure, I apologize, 12 Your Honor. The Agency argues that 14 CFR 13.208 13 applies in that proper notice is essentially given, 14 Your Honor. However, following the proper notice 15 being given, a good cause for delay occurred by when 16 respondent's counsel asked for a 45-day extension, and 17 the Agency provided that time in order for the, in 18 order for the respondent to respond. And in doing so, 19 the Agency believes that it burdened, prior to, but 20 also because it permitted the extension, it made 21 corrections based on the argument proffer of the 22 complainant, excuse me, not the, it's by the 23 respondent. 24 THE COURT: Okay. Well, let's talk a 25 little bit about that. What proper notice, in yourMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 10

1 opinion, was given within the year period of time, and 2 why is that particular notice sufficient given the 3 kinds of errors that have already been discussed by 4 the parties in their materials argument in this case? 5 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. The 6 Agency, it is my client's argument that the notice 7 provided as outlined in the supplemental material, the 8 respondent's name, the airfare certificate number, the 9 regulations that the respondent was required to 10 follow, the aircraft authorized for use by the 11 respondent, the respondent's owner and pilot, the FAR, 12 excuse me, Federal Aviation Regulations sections where 13 he's violated, and the respondent's civil penalty. 14 THE COURT: Okay. 15 MR. JOHNSON: Whether it, whether we 16 argue that the, and provided 14 CFR 120.19, those, and 17 14 CFR 122.23 and 14 CFR 121.15 each outlined what is 18 required what is required of the respondent and what 19 is alleged against them. 20 THE COURT: So, is it your position 21 that you don't really need to tell the respondent, 22 either in this case or in other cases, what the actual 23 facts are that you're alleging are problematic? You 24 simply need to notify the respondent that they have 25 come under the umbrella watch, if you will, or theMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 11

1 microscope of the FAA's purview and that there's 2 something wrong and that you'll get back to them later 3 about what it is? 4 MR. JOHNSON: In this particular case, 5 there are enough facts sufficiently in the notice 6 provided that, however the, I do not argue that as a 7 broad application that should be applied in all cases. 8 THE COURT: Well, then, how do you 9 think this Court should be looking at this case? 10 Because I'm concerned, given what I've read in the 11 original notice, the proposed civil penalty, that 12 there was insufficient fact to put the respondent on 13 reasonable notice within the two year period of time. 14 And I'm a little unclear as to why I should adopt your 15 argument that there was, in fact, sufficient fact. 16 What, exactly, in that notice of proposed civil 17 penalty really triggered in your mind the respondent 18 to know exactly or with certainty, sufficient 19 certainty, what was going on and what it should 20 preserve and investigate and talk about with you? 21 MR. JOHNSON: Your Honor, it's the, the 22 notice, when it goes to the administrator, the 23 allegations alleged against them, I think the specific 24 violations as stated in 14 CFR 120 as previously 25 stated, those specifically outline the concerns of, asMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 12

1 far as a list of violations, and again, 2 notwithstanding this, the Agency still argues that 3 there is good cause for the amended notice which 4 clarifies these concerns. 5 THE COURT: Well, what exactly, let's 6 assume just for the sake of argument that the actual 7 facts were not provided to the respondent in a timely 8 fashion and that you are at the point where you are 9 asking for a good cause finding. What is the good 10 cause that you're asserting that gives you excuse for 11 not providing the material within the two-year period? 12 What exactly are you arguing on good cause? 13 MR. JOHNSON: The Agency argues that 14 respondent's counsel requested a 45-day extension from 15 the date and after the original notice was issued, and 16 in doing so, the Agency did not do anything for 45 17 days in order to permit the respondent to research 18 and, as their letter outlines, to come up with his 19 response. And once he responded, Your Honor, the two20 year deadline has lapsed and immediately following, a 21 few days following, the Agency issued its amended 22 notice. 23 THE COURT: And just so ... 24 MR. JOHNSON: Had not, had it not been, 25 I'm sorry?Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 13

1 THE COURT: Go ahead, sir. 2 MR. JOHNSON: The Agency argues that 3 had it not been for the 45-day lapse that counsel 4 asked for, then an amended notice could have been 5 issued, and it just seemed slightly inequitable for 6 counsel to ask for a 45-day extension and then argue 7 now that notice was not sufficient. 8 THE COURT: Well, let me ask you a 9 question about that. Assuming, as you have asserted 10 in your materials that all the information that you 11 had that you needed to have occurred at the time it 12 was obtained during the investigation, on or about 13 January 30, two thousand, I can't remember the year. 14 Let me just double check my materials. On or about 15 January 30, 2013. If you had that information in hand 16 since that time period, what difference does it make 17 to you whether or not the respondent needed time to 18 investigate? Couldn't you have filed an amended 19 notice at any time? 20 MR. JOHNSON: That is correct, Your 21 Honor. However, the Agency still believed that it, in 22 good faith, it permitted a 45-day extension based on 23 what was asked of by respondent's counsel. 24 THE COURT: Okay. And if you could 25 have provided an amended notice at any time, how isMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 14

1 that, then, a deterrent to your client to provide 2 amended notice while they respond and it's 3 investigating? Wouldn't it have been even better to 4 have notified the respondent of that as soon as 5 possible so that it could have redirected its efforts 6 to a more relevant area of inquiry? 7 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. 8 THE COURT: Do you have other good 9 cause factors that you would like the Court to be 10 aware of, just so that I'm fully apprised? 11 MR. JOHNSON: No, Your Honor. 12 THE COURT: Thank you. What else would 13 you like to say in terms of this particular portion of 14 the argument, if any? Anything? 15 MR. JOHNSON: I have nothing further, 16 Your Honor. 17 THE COURT: Okay. 18 Mr. Ferrell, let me turn to you. I 19 have reviewed, as I reviewed the FAA's material, your 20 May 18, 2015 rebuttal. What is your position 21 regarding the two year period of statute of limitation 22 time? 23 MR. FERRELL: Well, our position is, 24 Your Honor, that they didn't meet that two year 25 statute of limitations and not that, and from IMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 15

1 remember, they didn't just make, not make that date, 2 they didn't make it in 14 months. So, counsel's 3 argument that they just went over the two years is 4 really not much of an argument at all, and it 5 certainly does, as you've expressed, it doesn't, 6 their, from what I understand, we had recessed our 7 last conference to give the FAA time to come up with a 8 good cause exception for the rule, and they presented 9 very little information that, none of which would 10 cause a, would justify a good cause exception to the 11 rule. 12 THE COURT: Let me ask you this, 13 because Mr. Johnson has asserted that there has been 14 notice enough, and the material that your client did 15 receive within the two year period of time to put you 16 in a position to be able to respond adequately to 17 subsequent allegations that were added by the amended 18 notice of appearance, or amended notice of proposed 19 civil penalty. What is your position about that? 20 MR. FERRELL: Well, Your Honor, even 21 the amended notice still has much of the, many of the 22 allegations involve Dante Abruzzi, who has never been 23 an employee of Mississippi Air Express. They claim 24 that Mr. Couch didn't submit to an alcohol and drug 25 test. Well, he's the only, he's the only person, heMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 16

1 is Mississippi Air Express. There are no other 2 employees. And, you know, the allegations in the 3 complaint are, they're not enough to give us cause, 4 you know, notice of any complaint to justify a $2,000 5 civil penalty. It's, in my opinion, it's very 6 ludicrous that these allegations ... 7 THE COURT: Well, Mr. Ferrell, let me, 8 I'm going to interrupt you. There are a couple 9 different things that we need to talk about, and I 10 think you're moving into a different portion of your 11 motion. 12 MR. FERRELL: Yes, I am. I am, but you 13 asked me about, they put us on notice of how to defend 14 this case, and that's the reason I made that argument. 15 It's, no, ma'am, it didn't. 16 THE COURT: Okay. So, let's talk 17 specifically about the time period from June 20, 2012 18 to March 26, 2014. 19 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. 20 THE COURT: June 20, 2012 is the date 21 of the alleged instance, or date of the alleged 22 violation, at least according to the amended notice of 23 proposed civil penalty that was filed on July 7, 2014. 24 March 26, 2014 is the notice of proposed civil 25 penalty, which talked about Spirit Airlines and DanteMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 17

1 Abruzzi, if I understand his name based on how it's 2 spelled. 3 The question is, do you agree or 4 disagree with the FAA's argument that the March 26, 5 2014 notice of proposed civil penalty gave you enough 6 information, put you on notice as to what the 7 allegations were that you subsequently saw in the July 8 7, 2014 amended notice of proposed civil penalty, the 9 November 18, two thousand, well, I'll start, I'll stop 10 there, which is to make it ... 11 MR. FERRELL: Your Honor, it's just, 12 it's our position that the amended, the original 13 notice did not give us adequate notice to be able to 14 defend this case. The dates are not correct, the 15 parties are not correct, there was no way that we 16 could prepare a defense in response to the original 17 motion, the original complaint. 18 THE COURT: You've heard the FAA 19 attorney talk about the possibility that if the notice 20 of proposed civil penalty, which was issued on March 21 26, 2014, was insufficient, that there is a good cause 22 excuse on the untimeliness of the notice that was 23 corrected and provided to you outside the two year 24 period of time. And, in essence, the attorney has 25 asserted that your request and your extension of theMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 18

1 time should serve as a good cause excuse. What is 2 your position about that? 3 MR. FERRELL: Well, our position is 4 that it does not, our request for additional time does 5 not excuse their properly complying with the rules and 6 give us a proper notice of proposed civil penalty. 7 THE COURT: Is there anything else that 8 you would like to add to that argument? I know I've 9 read your materials, but I just want to make sure that 10 you have your chance. 11 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. No, nothing. 12 THE COURT: Okay. Then let's go to 13 some other matters, now, if we may. There's an 14 alternate defense of laches. And so, we should spend 15 a little time on that. Mr. Ferrell, this is your 16 motion, and so I'm going to ask you to next address 17 your alternate motion for dismissal on the grounds of 18 laches. Would you be so kind as to just briefly 19 highlight for the Court any salient points you would 20 like? 21 MR. FERRELL: Well, it's just there's 22 the typical argument that over a period of time that 23 passed that witnesses get away, the documents are not 24 preserved, and it makes it, and it's the whole reason 25 that you have laches is that you cannot properlyMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 19

1 prepare for trial because documents get away and 2 witnesses are moved around and they're not reasonably, 3 it's not easily, easy to reach them and to interview 4 them and prepare a defense in a case. And then, of 5 course, documents get away, and it just, the, you 6 know, the reason that the defense was invented is that 7 there isn't any reason this couldn't have been 8 prosecuted, you know, within several months as opposed 9 to two years. 10 THE COURT: Well, that may be, but 11 there is a two year statute of limitations. So, let's 12 assume that there's a two-year window that the FAA 13 normally has. If you are claiming laches as a defense 14 within the two-year window, which you do have a right 15 to do, what are the circumstances that support your 16 assertion that there should be a finding of prejudice 17 that has occurred to your client's case for that 18 particular time period? 19 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. I'll, as to, 20 I guess I'm not prepared today to give you the names 21 of witnesses or documents that are not available 22 because of the delay and to show the prejudice. I 23 really wasn't prepared for that today. I was under 24 the impression that today we were just going to, that 25 we had recessed our original hearing to give the FAAMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 20

1 additional time to show that they should be granted 2 additional time. 3 THE COURT: Okay. I ... 4 MR. FERRELL: And that's what I thought 5 ... 6 THE COURT: Okay, thank you. Let me 7 ask this. You had also presented in your original 8 materials an assertion that the complaint, which was 9 obviously filed on December 5, 2014, failed to state a 10 claim upon which relief can be granted. I've read 11 your materials about that. Did you want to add to any 12 of your written arguments regarding that portion of 13 your motion? 14 MR. FERRELL: No, ma'am. 15 THE COURT: Okay. Anything else that 16 you would like to say on your client's behalf 17 regarding the motion to dismiss? 18 MR. FERRELL: No, ma'am, not, other 19 than what we've already pointed out for the Court that 20 many of the allegations were due to somebody that's 21 never been employed by Mississippi Air Express and the 22 fact that there's just one person with Mississippi Air 23 Express, and he couldn't give himself a drug test. 24 And if he did ... 25 THE COURT: Well, I can ...Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 21

1 MR. FERRELL: ... he did undergo a drug 2 test ... 3 THE COURT: I'm going to stop you at 4 that point, because I think you're going beyond ... 5 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am, okay. You 6 asked if there was anything else. I'm sorry. 7 THE COURT: Yes, I understand that in 8 your motion, there was some inferred motion for 9 summary judgment, but that's really not the motion 10 that's before the Court. 11 MR. FERRELL: Okay. 12 THE COURT: So, Mr. Johnson, let me 13 turn to you for your response, if any, to this 14 additional argument by the respondent regarding the 15 defense of laches in support of a motion to dismiss. 16 This is the alternate defense that was raised. Do you 17 have anything that you would like to add to your 18 materials regarding that? 19 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, Your Honor. The 20 only thing I would like to point out is Your Honor 21 kind of pointed out in your questions. Delay is not 22 enough. Counsel must show actual prejudice, and at 23 this point, that has not been shown. 24 THE COURT: Okay. 25 Mr. Ferrell, this is your motion,Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 22

1 essentially, the motion to dismiss. What I'm going 2 ... 3 MR. FERRELL: Yes, ma'am. 4 THE COURT: ... to do is I'm going to 5 give you a right of final reply. 6 MR. FERRELL: Okay. 7 THE COURT: Do you have anything else 8 that you would like to add to your motion before we 9 conclude the argument today? 10 MR. FERRELL: No, ma'am. 11 THE COURT: Okay. Counsel, I'm going 12 to thank you both very much for all of your materials 13 and for the work that you've done in doing all of the 14 written supplemental and submissions that have been 15 done. I need to read a few more things before I make 16 a final decision, so I'm not prepared to give you an 17 oral ruling this afternoon. But I will be issuing a 18 written decision in the near future. If the motion to 19 dismiss is granted, there will be information about 20 how to appeal that. If the motion to dismiss is not 21 granted, there will be an inclusion of a new 22 conference date for setting litigation, and I will be 23 talking to you both again. 24 So, with that, on behalf of the FAA, 25 Mr. Johnson, is there anything else that you wouldMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 23

1 like to add to the record or any question you would 2 need to ask? 3 MR. JOHNSON: No, Your Honor. I would 4 like to have or state for the record, you should be 5 receiving a substitution of counsel pretty soon. I 6 thought that our manager had already sent one. I'm 7 actually leaving the Agency, and this is my last week 8 with the Agency. 9 THE COURT: Oh. 10 MR. JOHNSON: So, yes, I'm switching 11 jobs. So, I'm assuming the substitution of counsel 12 should be sent to your office very soon. 13 THE COURT: One would hope that you're 14 signing off on it. 15 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, well, I signed a 16 couple of them, and I thought that one was, I thought 17 it was already sent to your office, so I'm going to 18 check with our admin. 19 THE COURT: Yes, I think you should, 20 because we have not received anything. And let me ask 21 you this, Mr. Johnson, if you would be willing, what 22 are you planning to do? 23 MR. JOHNSON: Oh, sure. I'm going, I'm 24 moving to DC, and I'm going to be working for the 25 Department of Commerce, assistant general counsel ofMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 24

1 economic affairs. 2 THE COURT: Oh, my heavens. This is a 3 very big move for you. 4 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, I'm actually very 5 excited. Long story short, I moved from DC to Atlanta 6 to work with the FAA, and it just so happened that 7 this opportunity presented itself, and I think it's a 8 great opportunity, so I decided I had to take it. 9 THE COURT: Yes. Well, are you coming 10 back into the bosom of an extended family so that you 11 have a place to stay and friends to take up where you 12 left off, or is this going to be a very new experience 13 for you? 14 MR. JOHNSON: I have, I'm picking, kind 15 of picking back up where I left off. I actually still 16 have my condo where, because I'm, I've only been in 17 Atlanta for two years. I still have my condo there, 18 and actually I went to law school in Virginia. I went 19 to Washington and Lee, so a lot of my friends and 20 cohort members are in the DC area. 21 THE COURT: Well, I wish you all the 22 very best, and perhaps I will see you sometime at a 23 Bar Association function. 24 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you, Your Honor. 25 THE COURT: You're welcome.Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 25

1 Mr. Ferrell, on behalf of your client, 2 is there anything else you would like to add or 3 correct or any comment you would like to make before 4 we close today? 5 MR. FERRELL: No, ma'am, I just wish 6 Mr. Johnson good luck. 7 THE COURT: That's ... 8 MR. FERRELL: Sounds like a great 9 opportunity. 10 THE COURT: Yes, it's very ... 11 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. 12 THE COURT: ... expensive, expensive, 13 Mr. Johnson, it's an expensive area to live in. You 14 know that already. 15 MR. FERRELL: My son just, my son is an 16 attorney with the Department of Navy, and he just 17 bought a house in DC, and he went for months trying to 18 buy a house, and he'd put in an offer, and over and 19 above what people asked for it, and on one occasion he 20 put in an offer $15,000 over the asking price, and the 21 house sold for $80,000 over the asking price. So, he 22 has been, his eyes have really been opened out there, 23 the cost of living there, so. 24 THE COURT: It is an amazing experience 25 to look for housing in this area, so I, has he found aMississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 26

1 place, Mr. Ferrell? 2 MR. FERRELL: He did finally, he found 3 a house that was built in 1920 in the northwest 4 section, so he's, and it's been reworked, so he's 5 excited and moving in next week, and I asked him if I 6 could come help, and he said he was just getting 7 movers to do it. So, he's looking forward to doing 8 all that and getting reestablished. But it isn't 9 cheap, I know that. 10 THE COURT: No. Well, Mr. Ferrell, if 11 you come up to visit sometime, maybe I will see you as 12 well at some type of Bar Association function. 13 MR. FERRELL: Well, I'm sure we will. 14 I'm vice-president of the International, National, 15 what is it, it's the International Safety Board Bar 16 Association, so I'm often up there, and I'm sure you 17 make some of those meetings. But I'm sure we'll get a 18 chance to meet and look forward to it. 19 THE COURT: Okay. Well, then, thank 20 you both very much for your presence today. I will be 21 issuing this order as soon as possible. With that, we 22 can go off the record, and I wish you all a good day. 23 Thank you. 24 MR. FERRELL: You, too. 25 MR. JOHNSON: Thank you.Mississippi Air Express, LLC June 17, 2015 VR # 2182-2 Page 27

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