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APPEARANCES : (Vi a Telephone ) O nBehal f o £ Complainant : ANDRE AMICHEL E HARPER , Esquir e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n Offic e o f Regiona l Counse l - ASCO- 7 Souther nRegio n P.O . Bo x-2063 6 Atlanta , Georgi a 3032 0 (404 ) 305-520 0 O nBehal f o f Respondent : DENNI S R . HABER , Esquir e Denni s R . Haber , P.A . 892 5 S.W . 148t hStreet , Suit e 20 0 Miami , Florid a 3317 6 (305 ) 256-300 2 

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1 PEQCEEDING S 2 (11:0 2 a.m. } 3 JUDG E SULLIVAN : We'r e o nth e recor di nth e 4 matte r o f Clou d Dance r Aviatio nAn dFlyin g Club , Inc . 5 Thi s i s Docke t No . FAA-2010-0192 . Toda yi s Friday , 6 Decembe r 2 , 2011 , an d th e partie s hav e convene dfo r a 7 telephon e conference . Th e FA Ai s represente db y 8 Andre a Michel e Harper , th e attorne yo f record . Clou d 9 Dance r Aviatio ni s represente dbyDenni s R . Haber , th e 1 0 attorne yo f record . 1 1 Thi s conferenc e cam e o nbyCour t motio n 1 2 afte r receip t o f th e Respondent' s motio nt o strik e /i^ ^1 3 and/o r dismiss , whic hwa s file dwit hth e Offic e o f

1 4 Hearing s o nNovembe r 28 . I hav e a nearlie r one . 1 5 Excus e me , counsel . Th e firs t on e wa s file do n 1 6 Novembe r 18 , 2011 , byfax . 1 7 Mr . Haber , I' mgoin g t o star t wit hyou . I B I've go t a coupl e preliminar ything s t o cha t abou t 1 9 befor e w e ge t t o th e motio nitself . Yo u kee p 2 0 addressin g mai l t o m e wit hth e wron g name . 2 1 MR . HABER : I' msorry . Judge . 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d1 nee dt o as k yo u t o 2 3 correc t m

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1 • MR . HABER : Okay . Mysecretary , wha t i s sh e 2 addressin g i t as ? 3 JUDG E SULLIVAN : She' s addressin g m e a s 4 Jessly nE. , Chie f Administrativ e La wJudge . 5 • MR . HABER : I understand . Okay . 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : S o i t shoul db e th e 7 Honorabl e J.E . Sullivan , U.S . Administrativ e La w 8 Judge . Th e Chie f Judg e o f ou r offic e i s Judg e Yoder . 9 MR . HABER : Understood , Judge . 1 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Secondly , I hav e a 1 1 motio nt o dismiss , an d I' ma littl e unclea r wha t yo u 1 2 expec t m e t o do , Mr . Haber , becaus e you r motio nt o ^fi ^ 1 3 dismis s doe s no t cit e anyparticula r specifi c facts ,

1 4 no r doe s i t giv e m e anylega l authorit yt o ac t o nth e 1 5 relie f tha t yo u want , an d I' mjus t goin g t o cha t a 1 6 littl e bi t wit hyo u abou t that . 1 7 O nSeptembe r 1 , 2011 , whe nyo u mad e thi s 1 8 ora l motio na t th e conferenc e tha t w e held , yo u ha d 1 9 indicate d a t tha t tim e tha t yo u di dhav e lega l 2 0 authorit yfo r a motio nt o dismis s an dtha t yo u woul d 2 1 b e providin g it . I don' t hav e anythin g i nthi s motio n 2 2 tha t support s th e relie f tha t yo u want , whic happear s 2 3 t o b e onl ya dismissa l request , an dI don' t hav e any 2 4 particula r fact s tha t yo u hav e give nm e tha t woul d 2 5 justif ythi s typ e o f extrem e relief . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 Wha t i t appear s t o m e t o b e i s a back-doo r 2 complain t abou t a discover yproblem , an dye t I hav e n o 3 motio nt o compe l discovery , n o fact s t o suppor t any 4 indicatio ntha t discover yha s bee ndelaye dothe r tha n 5 you r assertio ntha t yo u haven' t depose dwitnesses . 6 There' s n o recor d of•consultatio nwit hth e opposin g 7 part yabou t settin g depositions . There' s n o notic e o f B depositio nsettin g b yyo u o nbehal f o f you r client . 9 Ther e i s n o attachmen t indicatin g an ydepositio nwor k 1 0 byyo u o nbehal f o f you r clien t sinc e Septembe r 1 , 1 1 2011 . 1 2 Instead , I hav e a one-pag e documen t sayin g ^ii ^ 1 3 yo u wan t th e cas e dismisse dbecaus e yo u haven ' t

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MR . HABER : I f I may . You r Honor , the nI a s wel l amunclea r a s t o whyth e Court' s recor di s no t complet e becaus e a motio nt o compe l wa s file dove r a yea r an da hal f ago .

JUDG E SULLIVA-N : That' s correct . MR . HABER : An dth e matte r wa s addressed , an deve nmor e recentl yth e Cour t reopene dth e discover yan d se t ou t certai ntim e limitation s whe n th e FA Awa s t o mak e thei r witnesse s available . Fo r no wgoin g o ntw o years , we'v e attempte dt o tak e th e depositio no f th e accusin g partie s a t th e FAA , whic h starte d froma documentar yperspectiv e ou r motio nt o compe l whic hdelineate s ver yspecifi c date s an dtime s an d event s tha t occurred , an di f th e Cour t wil l refe r back , w e cei"tified i t o nAugus t 25 , 2010 , i t delineate s th e entir e tim e histor yan devent s tha t occurre d up t o tha t point .

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2 reserve d you r motio nt o compe l discovery . 3 MR . HABER : That' s correct . 4 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I reserve dyou r motio nt o 5 dismis s subjec t t o renewin g eithe r o f thos e motion s 6 wit hspecifi c fac t an d law . I als o grante dyo u an d 7 Ms . Harpe r ampl e opportunit yt o tel l m e wha t woul db e B a comfortabl e du e dat e fo r conferrin g wit heac hothe r 9 and/o r notin g u p deposition s prio r t o settin g th e 1 0 discover ycutof f date , whic hyo u s o kindl yprovide da s 1 1 a nattachmen t t o you r motio nt o dismis s fo r my 1 2 consideratio ntoday . 1 3 S o th e questio ntha t i s actuall yrelevan t i n 1 4 thi s Court' s opinio ni s wha t yo u have , yo u don e o n 1 5 behal f o f you r clien t sinc e Septembe r 1 , 2011 , t o 1 6 effectuat e gettin g thos e deposition s take npursuan t t o 1 7 th e Cour t order ? Wha t hav e yo u don e sinc e 1 8 Septembe r 1 , 2011 , t o mak e a recor dt o sho wm e tha t 1 9 yo u hav e a basi s t o mov e t o reope nyou r motio nt o 2 0 compel ? I hav e nothin g befor e m e o nthi s recor dtha t 2 1 indicate s tha t yo u an dyou r clien t hav e don e anythin g 2 2 sinc e Septembe r 1 , 2011 , t o assis t yoursel f i ngettin g 2 3 thi s matte r addressed . 2 4 I don' t eve nhav e pursuan t t o myow norde r 2 5 a naffidavi t o r a declaratio nfromyo u statin g tha t Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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2 t o bringin g thi s motion . I iriean , you'r e leavin g m e 3 wit habsolutel yn o tool s i nth e toolbo xt o assis t you , 4 an d yo u certainl yhav e no t give nm e anybasi s upo n 5 whic ht o eve nconside r a motio nt o dismiss , whic h 6 clearl yi nthi s Court' s opinio ni s premature . 7 MR . HABER : Well , i f I may , You r Honor ? 8 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Yo u may . 9 MR . HABER : I' mno t sur e tha t w e a t leas t i n 1 0 myunderstandin g hav e th e burden s i nth e righ t place . 1 1 I don' t thin k there' s anyquestio namongs t anyon e o n 1 2 th e phon e tha t th e FA Ai s pursuin g th e Defendant . I 1 3 don' t thin k there' s anyquestio ntha t th e Defendan t 1 4 ha s th e righ t an dresponsibilit yt o taK e th e 1 5 deposition s o f th e partie s wh o ar e makin g thes e 1 6 accusations , an dI don' t thin k there' s anyquestio n 1 7 tha t th e FA Acounse l i s awar e o f ou r desir e t o tak e 1 8 thes e parties ' depositions , a s i s documente dby.th e 1 9 motio nt o compel , th e motio nt o reopen . 2 0 An d th e las t conversatio nw e ha do ntha t 2 1 Septembe r 1 dat e whe nth e Cour t provide da cutof f dat e 2 2 . essentiall ysai d ge t wit hi t an dtak e thes e 2 3 depositions . Th e FA Aha s th e burde nonc e w e mad e tha t 2 4 reques t o f the mt o proffe r an d provid e thes e witnesse s 2 5 an davailabl e dates . Th e origina l - - Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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2 yo u hav e fo r tha t becaus e i nth e wa ytha t I rea d th e 3 regulations , sir , an ypart yma yinitiat e discover y 4 rec^uests , an dyo u woul d b e th e perso nwh o ha s th e 5 burde nt o not e thos e deposition s i f you'r e no t gettin g 6 a £jtipulate dagreemen t fro mth e othe r side . It' s als o 7 you r burde ni nthi s Court' s opinio nt o notif yth e 8 Cour t withi na timel ymanne r t o allo wth e Cour t t o 9 assis t yo u befor e th e discover ycutof f occurs . 1 0 MR . HABER : An d w e have . 1 1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I hav e see nnothin g o f 1 2 that . /•.•,^'*f t 1 3 MR . HABER : Doe s no t th e motio nt o compe l

1 4 pu t al l partie s o nnotice ? 1 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Th e motio nt o compe l wa s 1 6 reserve da s o f Septembe r 1 , 2011 , subjec t t o th e 1 7 partie s pursuin g th e discover yproces s an d pla ntha t 1 8 th e Cour t pu t togethe r wit hth e parties ' 1 9 participation . I t doesn' t simpl yrerais e itsel f o n 2 0 ol dfact s becaus e yo u wai t unti l th e en d o f th e 2 1 discover ycutof f dat e tha t wa s give nt o yo u o n 2 2 Septembe r 1 , 2011 , an d the ntel l m e tha t yo u ar e i na 2 3 positio nno wt o mov e t o dismiss . Sir , wit hal l 2 4 respect , yo u hav e no t don e th e wor k tha t yo u nee d t o 2 5 d o t; o le t thi s Cour t hel p you . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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At o retur nphon e call s an dproffe r thei r witnesse s 3 fo r availabl e time . 4 JUDG E SULLIVAN : An da t tha t point , sir , yo u 5 certainl yca nraise. a motio nbefor e thi s Cour t i na 6timel ymanner . Yo u ca nattac ha recor do f al l th e 7 communication s tha t yo u hav e mad e toward s th e FA Ai f 8 i nfac t the yhav e faile d to'respon dt o you . Yo u ca n 9 sho wtha t you'v e note dth e matte r u p fo r depositions , 1 0 tha t th e FA Aha s faile dt o respon dt o that . Ther e ar e 1 1 s o manyoption s availabl e t o yo u unde r th e 1 2 regulations , an d you'v e don e nothin g t o sho wthi s 1 3 Cour t tha t you've'pursue dthem . It' s no t tha t I don' t 1 4 wan t t o hel p you . Yo u haven' t give nm e th e tool s i n 1 5 whic ht o hel p you , an dI' mfrustrate dbythat . 1 6 MR . HABER : I understand , You r Honor . I' m 1 7 happ yt o provid e th e Court ' wit ha naffidavi t o f th e 1 8 time s we'v e attempte d phon e calls , an dagain , I 1 9 believ e there' s a reciproca l obligatio nonc e w e pose d 2 0 th e propositio no f hey , we' dlik e t o tak e thes e folks ' 2 1 deposition s tha t I can' t forc e the mt o b e polit e an d 2 2 t o provid e u s wit htha t whic hha s bee nrequested . 2 3 Certainl yw e ca nas k th e Court , an dcertainl yw e ca n 2 4 provid e th e Cour t wit ha naffidavit , bu t I' dlik e t o 2 5 thin k i na worl d o f reasonabl e peopl e tha t the yhav e Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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2 responded , an dt o th e exten t tha t th e Cour t wishe s a n 3 affidavit , we'r e happ yt o provid e it . I f I ma y- - 4 MS . HARPER : Ma yI b e hear do nthis , You r 5 Honor . 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : No t yet . Than k you . G o 7 ahead , Mr . Haber . 8 MS . HARPER : You r Honor , afte r ou r 9 conferenc e - - 1 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Ms . Harper , no t yet . 1 1 MS . HARPER : I' msorry . 1 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Mr . Haber , pleas e continue . 1 3 MR . HABER : Well , that' s th e essenc e o f it . 1 4 W e receive don e phon e cal l offerin g a t som e stag e on e 1 5 Defendan t wit hnothin g pas t that . 1 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Thi s i s wha t I' m 1 7 goin g t o do , and , Ms . Harper , I' mgoin g t o as k yo u t o 1 8 respon d ver ybriefly , bu t righ t no wI don' t thin k it' s 1 9 rip e fo r a lo t o f discussio nabou t th e motio nt o 2 0 compe l becaus e I don' t hav e a motio nt o compe l befor e 2 1 me , but , Ms . Harper , wha t i s i t tha t yo u woul dlik e t o 2 2 sayver ybriefly ? 2 3 MS . HARPER : Afte r ou r conference . You r 2 4 Honor , I wa s unde r th e assumptio ntha t Mr . Habe r woul d 2 5 provid e m e wit hdate s an dwoul drenotic e deposition s Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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k^A^ J .1 1 1 an dwoul d includ e severa l date s s o I coul dmak e sur e 2 th e witnesse s wer e available . I neve r hear dfromhim , 3 s o i nearl yNovembe r I calle d hi man dsai dI ca nmak e 4 m ywitnesse s availabl e o nNovembe r 9 o r Novembe r 10 , 5 le t m e kno wwha t da ywoul dwor k fo r you . H e calle dm e 6 bac k o nNovembe r 7 an dlef t m e a messag e a t 3:56 , tol d 7 m e h e woul db e attendin g th e NTS B Ba r Associatio n 8 meeting , s o tha t dat e wouldn' t wor k fo r him , bu t h e 9 woul d ge t bac k wit hm e t o confir mo r t o wor k ou t 1 0 additiona l date s befor e discover yended . H e neve r 1 1 calle d m e back . Th e nex t thin g I go t wa s hi s motion , 1 2 whic hmad e i t soun d lik e th e FA Aan dI i nparticula r 1 3 wa s bein g obstinat e an dwa s no t tryin g t o cooperate , 1 4 . an d h e lef t ou t importan t details . I mad e th e firs t 1 5 call . I chos e date s whe nh e didn't . H e sai dh e woul d 1 6 cal l m e back . H e didn't . 1 7 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I' mgoin g t o sto p yo u a t 1 8 thi s poin t becaus e there' s n o motio nt o compe l befor e 1 9 me . Th e onl ymotio nthat' s befor e m e i s a motio nt o 2 0 dismiss , but , Mr . Haber , you'r e right . I ca nexercis e 2 1 som e discretio ni nthi s matte r an dI amgoin g t o d o 2 2 that . Numbe r 1 , toda yi s Friday , Decembe r 2 , 2011 . I 2 3 am

goin g t o direc t you , Mr . Haber , an dyou , Ms . 2 4 Harper , t o contac t eac hothe r bytelephon e prio r t o 2 5 Friday , Decembe r 9 , 2011 . I wan t th e tw o o f yo u t o Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 contac t eac hothe r byphon e immediatel yafte r thi s 2 conferenc e t o se t up a nappointmen t wit heac hothe r 3 fo r nex t v;eek . I' mno t goin g t o d o i t wit hyo u a t 4 thi s conferenc e becaus e I thin k tha t bot ho f yo u ar e 5 full ycapabl e o f makin g a phon e cal l afte r thi s 6 conferenc e i s ove r an d a t leas t lookin g a t you r 7 calendar s t o se t up a mutuall yagreeabl e tim e nex t 8 wee k t o tal k t o eac hothe r a t lengt habou t thi s 9 matter . 1 0 Numbe r 2 , o no r befor e Friday , Decembe r 9 , 1 1 2011 , i f i nfact , Mr . Haber , yo u hav e no t reache da n 1 2 agreemen t wit hMs . Harpe r abou t depositions , yo u ca n 1 3 i f you' dlik e mov e t o compe l discovery , an dI' mgoin g 1 4 t o tel l yo u wha t yo u nee dt o pu t i nyou r motio n 1 5 specifically . Yo u hav e t o addres s an didentif ywha t 1 6 attempt s you'v e mad e wit hMs . Harpe r t o see k a mutua l 1 7 agreement , an dthi s i s specificall yidentifie di nth e 1 8 Court' s litigatio norde r settin g litigatio ndate s an d 1 9 procedure s i f yo u loo k a t pag e 2 , paragrap hB . 2 0 I naddition , I wan t yo u t o specificall y 2 1 stat e i nthi s motio nt o compe l anyan dal l specifi c 2 2 ora l an dwritte nrequest s tha t you'v e mad e t o schedul e 2 3 deposition s wit hMs . Harpe r betwee nSeptembe r 1 , 2011 , 2 4 an d th e dat e tha t yo u fil e thi s motio nan dwhat' s 2 5 happene dwit hever ysingl e on e o f thos e ora l an d Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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2 I naddition , i f yo u hav e i nfac t note d 3 deposition s t o b e take npursuan t t o th e regulation s 4 tha t allo wyo u t o d o that , yo u shoul di nfac t provid e 5 writte ncopie s o f thos e notice s o f depositio npursuan t 6 t o thi s Court' s litigatio nschedulin g order , an di t 7 talk s abou t tha t unde r - - 8 MR . HABER : I' msorry , w e jus t los t yo u fo r 9 a second , You r Honor . 1 0 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Paragrap hD a s i nDavi do f 1 1 pag e 2 o f th e orde r settin g litigatio ndate s an d 1 2 procedure s indicat e tha t discover yrequest s nee dno t /.^J( N1 3 b e file d i nthi s cas e wit hth e Offic e o f Hearing s

1 4 excep t a s par t o f a motio nt o compe l discovery . 1 5 S o par t o f you r motio nt o compe l discover y 1 6 shoul dinclud e anyan d al l record s tha t yo u hav e 1 7 showin g tha t yo u hav e mad e good-fait hattempt s t o se t 1 8 th e deposition s sinc e Septembe r 1 , 2011 , an dyo u hav e 1 9 bee nobstructe d fromdoin g tha t byth e FA Aattorney , 2 0 becaus e that' s wha t I' mhearin g fromyou . 2 1 I naddition , yo u nee dt o identif y 2 2 specificall yi nwritin g wh o need s t o b e depose dan d 2 3 whythei r testimonyi s relevant , an dlastly , yo u nee d 2 4 t o explai nwhythi s motio nwa s no t raise dprio r t o 2 5 . Novembe r 18 , 2011 , whic hth e orde r tha t wa s give nt o t^ j Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n '^'^ ^ (202 ) 628-488 8

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1 yo u specificall yrequired . 2 I nresponse , Ms . Harper , yo u wil l nee dt o 3 fil e a respons e t o suc hmotio ni f it' s filed , an dI' m 4 goin g t o direc t yo u t o fil e tha t respons e n o late r 5 tha nDecembe r 16 , 2011 , an d yo u ma ythe npu t i n 6 whateve r respons e yo u wish , an di t appear s you'v e 7 give nthi s Cour t a nora l summar yo f wha t you r respons e 8 migh t be . I amno wthe ngoin g t o se t a motio no nora l 9 argumen t o nthis , an dwe'r e goin g t o se t i t fo r th e 1 0 wee k o f Decembe r 19 , s o lookin g a t you r calendars , an d 1 1 I' m

goin g t o star t wit hyo u first , Ms . Harper , i s 1 2 ther e anyda yo nDecembe r 1 9 tha t doesn' t wor k fo r 1 3 you ? 1 4 MS . HARPER : I amno t i nth e offic e o n 1 5 Mondays , You r Honor . 1 6 JUDG E SULLIVAN : S o Monda yi s no t good . 1 7 MS . HARPER : Yes . 1 8 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Mr . Haber , lookin g 1 9 a t you r calendar , i s ther e anyda yth e wee k o f 2 0 Decembe r 1 9 tha t doe s no t wor k fo r you ? 2 1 MR . HABER : I hav e n o firmcommitment s th e 2 2 wee k o f th e 19t hothe r tha no nth e 23r di nth e 2 3 morning . 2 4 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Let' s se t thi s the n 2 5 fo r 11:0 0 o nTuesday , Decembe r 20 , 2011 . Now , i f th e Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 tw o o f yo u i nth e mutua l conversatio ntha t yo u hav e 2 eithe r immediatel yafte r thi s telephon e conferenc e o r 3 nex t week , i f th e tw o o f yo u reac ha nagreemen t 4 regardin g schedulin g th e deposition s an dyo u hav e 5 specifi c date s an d time s agree dto , the nI' mgoin g t o 6 direc t yo u t o fil e a notic e t o m e tha t yo u hav e 7 resolve d thi s issu e an d tha t yo u woul dlik e th e matte r 8 struc k tha t ha s bee nse t fo r Decembe r 20 , 2011 , an d 9 I'l l conside r th e matte r finished . 1 0 MR . HABER : Wa s tha t directe dt o mysel f o r 1 1 Ms . Harper ? 1 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : It' s directe dt o bot ho f 1 3 you . S o par t o f you r agreemen t whe nyo u si t dow nan d 1 4 tal k t o eac hothe r eithe r immediatel yafte r thi s phon e 1 5 cal l and/o r nex t wee k a t a tim e o f you r choosin g i s 1 6 wh o woul d lik e t o fil e tha t an dwha t you'r e goin g t o 1 7 say . Thi s Cour t i s no t goin g t o direc t on e part yo r 1 8 th e other . It' s goin g t o b e par t o f th e tas k tha t yo u 1 9 nee dt o tal k abou t wit heac hother , s o I don' t car e 2 0 wh o file s it , bu t i f yo u d o reac ha nagreemen t abou t 2 1 takin g thes e depositions , the npar t o f th e agreemen t 2 2 shoul db e wh o wil l notif yth e Cour t o f tha t an dby 2 3 wha t date . 2 4 I f ther e ha s bee nn o agreemen t an dn o 2 5 deposition s set , I wil l b e lookin g forwar dt o Mr . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 Haber' s renewa l o f hi s motio nt o compe l wit hne wan d 2 relevan t evidenc e attache dt o i t t o b e file do no r 3 befor e nex t Friday , Decembe r 9 , 2011 . I'l l loo k 4 forwar d t o Ms . Harper' s response , whic hwil l b e du e o n 5 o r befor e Decembe r 16 , 2011 , an dI'l l loo k forwar dt o 6 hearin g fromyo u bot ho nth e telephon e i na motio n 7 conferenc e tha t wil l b e initiate db ythi s Cour t o n• 8 Tuesday , Decembe r 20 , 2011 , a t 1 1 a.m . 9 I amgoin g t o as k bot ho f yo u t o revie w 1 0 carefull yth e regulation s tha t gover nth e discover y 1 1 process , 1 4 C.F.R . § 13.22 0 I believ e i s th e 1 2 correc t - - yes . Ther e ar e specifi c regulation s tha t f'^ S 1 ^ y^ ^ ^^ ^tak e a loo k at , bu t I suspec t tha t i f th e tw o

1 4 o f yo u tal k t o eac hother , hopefull ythi s matte r ca n 1 5 b e resolve dquit e easily . 1 6 Becaus e th e deposition s hav e no t ye t bee n 1 7 taken , I wil l als o allo wth e tw o o f yo u t o reques t 1 8 modificatio no f th e discover ycutof f dat e pursuan t t o 1 9 th e paragrap hthat' s identifie da s B a s i nBo ytha t i s 2 0 o npag e 2 o f th e orde r settin g litigatio ndate s an d 2 1 procedures , whic hsay s essentiall yi f yo u loo k a t it , 2 2 "Th e partie s ma yfil e a writte nmotio nt o modif yth e 2 3 litigatio ndate s b ymutua l agreement " naturall y 2 4 hopefully , an d i f no t b ymutua l agreement , the n 2 5 certainl yb ya motio nwit ha statemen t sayin g tha t Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 there' s bee na t leas t a nattemp t t o tal k t o eac hothe r 2 abou t it . 3 S o (1 ) I wan t th e tw o o f yo u t o tal k t o eac h 4 othe r immediatel yafte r thi s conference ; (2 ) I als o 5 wan t yo u a s par t o f tha t phon e conferenc e afte r I ge t 6 of f th e phon e t o se t a dat e nex t wee k prio r t o 7 Decembe r 9 , 2011 , wher e yo u ca ntal k agai na t greate r 8 lengt hi f neede d abou t thes e deposition s an dwha t yo u 9 ca nd o t o resolv e thi s matte r i na nexpedited , 1 0 efficient , les s costl ymetho dtha nraisin g thi s matte r 1 1 bymotion . Yo u ca nd o th e motion . I hav e n o 1 2 ob j ectio nt o tha t an dI woul d loo k forwar dt o it , bu t 

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1 4 a t you r calendar s yo u ca nge t thi s done . 1 5 W e hav e plent yo f tim e befor e th e 1 6 Januar y13" , 2012 , exchang e dat e fo r thos e deposition s 1 7 t o b e take ni f th e partie s ar e willin g t o wor k wit h 1 8 eac hother . I f th e partie s ar e no t willin g t o wor k 1 9 • wit heac hother , i f ther e i s i nfac t a nobstructio n 2 0 that' s goin g o nbyon e o r bot hparties , the nI woul d 2 1 b e happ yt o dea l wit hi t o nDecembe r 20 , 2011 . Wit h 2 2 that , o nbehal f o f you r client , Ms . Harper , i s ther e 2 3 anythin g els e tha t I nee d t o addres s wit hyo u today ? 2 4 MS . HARPER : No , You r Honor . 2 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN : And , Mr . Haber , o nbehal f

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2 MR . HABER : M yonl yconcern , You r Honor , i s 3 tha t onc e we'v e establishe d a dat e betwee nus , an dI' m 4 sur e w e can , tha t tha t dat e occu r withi na certai n 5 perio d o f time . Doe s th e Cour t wis ht o establis ha 6 cutof f dat e tha t tha t ha s t o happe nby ? 7 • • JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dwhic hdat e ar e yo u 8 talkin g about ? 9 MR . HABER : Fo r th e depositio no f th e fou r 1 0 partie s wh o ar e involve d tha t wer e originall y 1 1 requeste di nthis . 1 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I woul dsuggest , Mr . Haber , /lS? N•'•-

* tha t th e soone r yo u ge t thos e peopl e depose dth e 1 4 better , an do f cours e i t surel yneed s t o b e take n 1 5 befor e Januar y13 , 2012 , whic hi s th e dat e tha t you'r e 1 6 exchangin g al l o f you r las t material s prio r t o you r 1 7 tria l date . 1 8 MR . HABER : Certainly , You r honor . 1 9 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . Doe s tha t hel p yo u 2 0 a t all ? 2 1 MR . HABER : Well , i t help s me . Again , my 2 2 anxiet yi s sinc e it' s the Petitioner' s positio nan d 2 3 the yar e th e on e assertin g th e position , t o th e exten t 2 4 tha t thes e partie s ar e no t availabl e o r canno t b e 2 5 ha d- - Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n (202 ) 628-488 8

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1 JUDG E SULLIVAN : I haven' t hear danyo f tha t

• 2 a t thi s poin t i ntim e becaus e I don ' t hav e a motio nt o 3 compe l befor e me . I presum e howeve r tha t give nth e 4 shor t perio d o f tim e betwee nno wan dth e first

- tria l 5 date , whic hi s Januar y31 , 2012 , tha t al l partie s 6 woul d wor k togethe r fo r th e expedite ddeposition s o f 7 anywitnesse s tha t ar e outstanding . W e hav e plent yo f 8 tim e t o d o that , especiall yi f yo u an dMs . Harpe r ar e 9 talkin g immediatel yafte r thi s telephon e conferenc e o n 1 0 a privat e phon e call . 1 1 Bu t obviousl yth e ver ylas t dat e woul db e 1 2 Januar y13 , 2012 , becaus e that' s th e da ytha t yo u hav e 1 3 t o exchang e you r fina l document s regardin g th e lis t o f 1 4 witnesse s eac hpart yneed s t o cal l an ds o forth . An d 1 5 i nth e interim , i f there' s anyproblem s a t all , ther e 1 6 i s a nautomati c setup wit hthi s Court' s assistanc e 1 7 toda yfo r a motio nt o compel , a respons e t o th e motio n 1 8 t o compe l an dfo r a nora l argumen t o nth e motio nt o 1 9 compel . A s o f Decembe r 20 , 2011 , i f th e motio nt o 2 0 compe l i s file d an dit' s rule d upon , potentiall ylet' s 2 1 sa yi t involve s a depositio no f fou r witnesse s an dI 2 2 gran t that , the nther e woul d stil l b e tim e betwee n 2 3 Decembe r 20 , 2011 , an dJanuar y13 , 2012 , fo r takin g 2 4 thos e depositions , bu t let' s hop e tha t w e don' t hav e 2 5 t o g o dow ntha t particula r route . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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1 I nterm s o f you r motio nt o dismiss , I'l l 2 findtha t it' s prematur e an dI'l l respectfull yden yi t 3 no t onl yo nth e ground s tha t it' s premature , bu t ther e 4 i s n o lega l authorit ytha t i s include di nthi s tha t 5 woul dallo wth e Cour t t o ac t an dth e fact s ar e to o 6 vagu e an dunspecifi c tha t woul dals o allo wth e Cour t 7 t o ac t t o gran t tha t typ e o f motion . I'l l als o not e 8 tha t thoug hth e motio ni s entitle da motio nt o strik e 9 and/o r dismiss , th e onl yrelie f requeste di nth e bod y 1 0 o f th e motio ni s a dismissal , an ds o i t appear s tha t 1 1 ther e i s n o motio nt o strik e i nfact . Wit hthat , Mr . 1 2 Haber , d o yo u hav e anyothe r question s o nbehal f o f 1 3 you r clien t fo r thi s call ? 1 4 MR . HABER : No , You r Honor . 1 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Than k yo u bot hver ymuc h 1 6 fo r you r presenc e today . Goo d luc k i nyou r 1 7 communication s bytelephon e immediatel yafte r thi s 1 3 conferenc e cal l i s concluded . Goo dluc k wit hyou r 1 9 communication s earl ynex t wee k o na privat e conferenc e 2 0 call , an d I wil l loo k forwar dt o anymaterial s th e 2 1 partie s fil e betwee nno wan d th e 20th . Wit hthat , w e 2 2 ca ng o of f th e recor d an dI wis hyo u al l a goo dday . 2 3 MS . HARPER : Than k you . You r Honor . 2 4 MR . HABER : Thanks , Judge . 2 5 JUDG E SULLIVAN : You'r e welcome . Heritag e Reportin g Corporatio n

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