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A TTORNEY FOR A PPELLANT Matthew J. McGovern Anderson, Indiana A TTORNEY S FOR A PPELLEE Gregory F. Zoeller Attorney General of Indiana Robert J. Henke James D. Boyer Deputy Attorneys General Indianapolis, Indiana



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# COURT OF APPEALS OF INDIANA
In the Matter of F.S., T.W., M.F., and B.F. ( Minor Children 

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# Case Summary and Issue
[1] B.S. (“Mother”) appeals the trial court’s order , based on authority granted by Indiana Code section 31

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# Facts and Procedural History 1
[2] B.S. (“Mother”) is the mother of four children , T.W., F.S

. , M.F

. , and B.F

. (the “Children”). D.F. (“Father”) is the father of the two youngest children. Mother, Father, and all four children live in a trailer in Crawford County. At the time of the following events, Mother was on probation for a theft conviction. In addition, the household had a history with the Crawford County Department of Child Services (“DCS”), including a child in need of services

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(“CHINS”) case that had been closed in early January of 2015. See Appellant’s A ppendix at 15 (showing prior DCS contacts in 2007, 2011, and 2014).

[3] On March 2, 2015, an unnamed source 2 contacted DCS to report possible abuse or neglect of the Children. Specifically, the caller reported incidents of domestic violence between Father and Mother occurring in the presence of the children; daily drug use and possible drug dealing by both Father and Mother; an unsafe home environment; and multiple school absence s by F.S. See id. at 14

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[4] Brenda Hogan, a DCS family case manager, initiated an assessment by making

a home visit . Mother and two of the C hildren were home at the time. Hogan toured the house and did not see any evidence of drugs or signs of drug use in Mother. The home was appropriate and the C hildren appeared healthy and safe. Hogan’s visit was cut short when she asked Mother to take a drug screen and Mother declined, indicating she wanted to call her lawyer first . After a subsequent meeting between Hogan and Mother at Mother’s lawyer’ s office, and after Father completed a drug screen that was clean, the assessment was classified as un substantiated and closed

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[5] On March 17, 2015, an unnamed source contacted DCS twice to report possible abuse or neglect of the Children. The caller reported Mother and Father use drugs three times a week and buy drugs in the pres ence of the C hildren,

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including as recently as the day before . The caller also reported that incidents of domestic violence be tween Father and Mother had occurred as recently as February or March of 2015. 3 In response, Hogan initiated a new assessment.

[6] O n the same date, the Crawford County Probation Department received an anonymous tip that Mother was using methamphetamine. James Grizzel, the county’s chief probation officer, checked the “Pseudo logs” and discovered that Mother had recently bought the ma ximum allowable amount of pseudoephedrine and had done so on a monthly basis going back “at least the last couple months.” Tr. at 54, 60. Grizzel therefore decided to conduct a home visit.

[7] Hogan, Grizzel, and a police officer went to Mother’s home togeth er. Mother refused entry to Hogan, but allowed Grizzel and the officer to enter. Mother, Father, and three of the C hildren were home. Grizzel looked around the home

— both inside and out

— and although he confiscated alcohol from the refrigerator and saw dusty roach clips pinned to a bulletin board , he saw no indications of recent drug use or manufacturing , and neither Mother nor Father appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Father had just had a drug screen less than a week befo re, so Grizzel did not request another sample

3 Hogan testified there was a specific allegation that F.S. saw Mother hit Father in the head and that domestic violence had occurred multiple times. Id. at 25. She further testified there were also allegations that F.S. had issues with anger and Mother was driving without a driver’s license. Id. None of this appears on the two March 17 preliminary reports of child abuse or neglect included in the record as Exhibits A and B to a motion filed by DCS. It appears there may have been a back side or second page to the reports that was not copied , either as part of the exhibit originally or as part of the appendix later.Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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from him, but he did request Mother submit to a drug screen

. Mother provided

a urine sample on site but Grizzel rejected it based on color and temperature and told Mother that she would have to provide a super vised sample at his office. That screen came back clean. Grizzel described the house as being “in good shape.” Id. at 58. Based upon what Grizzel and the officer told her about the condition of Mother, Father, the C hildren, and the house that day , Hogan affirmed she was “satisfied that there wasn’t any evidence of drug use in the house or on [Mother] and that the children were safe.” Id. at 36. In addition, Hogan testified she had not since “found any evidence to verify any of the information that was given . . . by this report source.” Id. at 37.

[8] Nonetheless, on March 17, 2015, 4 DCS filed a Motion to Control the Conduct of Mother and Father. The motion noted two reports were received by DCS on March 17, 2015 , “that may constitute an instance of chi ld abuse and/or neglect, in that there may be substance abuse and domestic violence in the home,” and further noted that in order for Hogan to complete a thorough assessment, “she would need an interview with [Mother], [Father], and the children.” Appella nt’ s App. at 18

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4 The motion is actually file

- stamped March 16, 2015, but references the March 17 reports to DCS and has a certificate of service dated March 17, 2015. Appellant’s App. at 18

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26, and notice was given to both Mother and Father. The hearing was ultimately not held until April 7, 2015.

[9] In the meantime, an additional report was made to DCS on March 31, 2015. The caller reported that Father had purchased and used drugs over the weekend; Mother was using dr ugs; both were selling drugs from the house; there were further incidents of domestic violence in the presence of the C hildren; and Father had inappropriately disciplined one of the C hildren. Lana Tobin, a DCS family case manager, conducted the assessment on this report. She visited the home on April 1, 2015. Mother, Father, and the three youngest C hildren were home; the oldest child was at school. Tobin was able to enter the home to look around, and she saw the three C hildren. She was also able to see the oldest child at a later date. The C hildren were clean and appropriate and the home environment appeared safe. She saw no evidence of domestic violence and no evidence of drug use. Mother did refuse to take a drug s creen at that time , however

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you saw? A: Correct.
Tr. at 51

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[10] At the hearing on April 7, 2015, Hogan, Tobin, Grizzel, and Mother all testified. Mother reaffirmed her refusal to consen t to the C hildren being interviewed by DCS. At the conclusion of the hearing, Mother’s counsel stated to the court her position supporting the refusal: First of all, I’ve already mentioned the statute [Ind. Code § 31

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. . . . Here’s the problem with this statute, Judge, it’s like no other thing that we have. In that, I think what has to be read in the statute is some quantum of evidence for you to order the children to b e interrogated . . . . Once again, I’ll recognize [DCS’s] interest in protecting kids, but if there’s no evidence that children need protected, I don’t think you have the right to [issue the order].
Id. at 68

- 70. In response, DCS argued: In this case, [D CS’s] position is that interviewing the children will best allow us to confirm or deny the allegations that are contained in these reports. It’s a mischaracterization to say that these children are going to be interrogated. They are going to be asked abo ut mommy’s drug use and whether daddy beats them. They will be asked in an age appropriate manner what is going

6 Mother believes the multiple reports have been mad e by her sister, who disapproved of Mother’s relationship with Father. See Tr. at 64 (Mother reading a text message from her sister the day of Tobin’s visit stating “move away from the trailer and I will quit. I will keep doing it until you move to mom’s

. . . . I want the kids to be safe and they aren’t safe with him, you know that”)

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on in their home. . . . None of this will be, will traumatize the children and that is why we’re asking that these children be allowed to be b riefly interviewed by [DCS] in order to close out these allegations and decide whether these are unsubstantiated reports.
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[11] On April 20, 2015, 7 the trial court issued an order granting DCS’s request to interview the two oldest children. 8 The order states only that the court grants the DCS request “after being duly and sufficiently advised in the premises.” Id. at 36. At Mother’s request, the trial court allowed her five days to file a Notice of Appeal, but if she did not do so , DCS was allow ed to proceed with the interviews. Mother timely filed her Notice of Appeal and on May 19, 2015, the trial court granted her request for a stay pending appeal.



# Discussion and Decision I. Applicable Law
[12] When DCS receives a report of suspected child abuse or neglect, it “shall initiate an appropriately thorough child protection assessment . . . .” Ind. Code § 31

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child.” Ind. Code § 31

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- 12. (d) If a custodial parent, a guardian, or a custodian of a child refuses to allow the department to interview the child after the caseworker has attempted to obtain the consent of the custodial parent, guardian, or custodian to interview the child, the department may petition a court to order the custodial parent, guardian, or custodian to make the child available to be interviewed by the caseworker. (e) If the court finds that: (1) a custodial parent, a guardian, or a custodian has been informed of the hearing on a petition described under subsection (d); and (2) the department has made reasonable and unsuccessful efforts to obtain the consent of the custodial parent, guardian, or cus todian to interview the child; the court shall specify in the order the efforts the department made to obtain the consent of the custodial parent, guardian, or custodian and may grant the motion to interview the child , either with or without the custodial parent, guardian, or custodian being present.Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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(Emphasis added.) Upon completion of an assessment, the initial report shall be classified as substantiated or unsubstantiated. Ind. Code § 31

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[13] A petition seeking to order a parent to make a child av ailable for an interview by DCS is also governed by Indiana Code chapter 31

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r elation to the child” upon the motion of, among others, a caseworker or the attorney for DCS. Ind. Code § 31

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## II. Is Mother’s Appeal Moot?
[14] As a threshold issue, the State argues we should dismiss this appeal as moot. At Mother’s request, the trial court stayed its order compelling her t o submit the Children to a DCS interview pending the outcome of this appeal. In its Brief of Appellee, t he State alleged it had learned Mother was arrested on July 18, 2015 ,Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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after testing positive for methamphetamine and amphetamine , and she signed a consent for DCS to interview the children on that date. T he Children were adjudicated CHINS on September 17, 2015, after Mother admitted that due to her arrest, she was incarcerated and unable to provide care and supervision of the Children. 9 Th e State filed an Appendix of Appellee with documents allegedly supporting these statements. B ased on these events occurring subsequent to the filing of this appeal, the State asserts Mother has now consented to DCS interviews with the Children, and accord ingly, the very action she challenges in this appeal has presumably already taken place. The State requests this appeal be dismissed because there is no relief we can grant to Mother.

[15] An appeal or issue is deemed moot when no effective relief can be rende red to the parties before the court. DeSalle v. Gentry , 818 N.E.2d 40, 48

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9 The State also noted it had advised Mother’s appellate counsel of these developments when it became aware of them shortly before filing its brief. Mother’s appellate counsel had not been alerted by Mother’s trial counsel or the trial court of these events and learned of them for the first time from the State. See Reply Brief of Appellant at 3 n.1. 10 Our supreme court has noted that although Article III of the United States Constitution “limits the jurisdiction of federal courts to actual cases and controversies, the Indiana Constitution does not contain any similar restraint.” In re Lawrance , 579 N.E.2d 32, 37 (Ind. 1991 ). Therefore, while moot cases are usually dismissed, they are not required to be dismissed.Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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exception to the general rule when the case involves questions of “great public interest.” C.L.Y. v. State , 816 N.E.2d 894 , 900 (Ind. Ct. App. 2004), trans. denied

. Cases falling within the public interest exception typically contain issues likely to recur. C.T.S. v. State , 781 N.E.2d 1193, 1198 (Ind. Ct. App. 2003), trans. denied

. In addition, an appeal may be heard which might otherwise be dismissed as moot where leaving the judgment undisturbed might lead to negative collateral consequences. Hamed v. State , 852 N.E.2d 619, 622 (Ind. Ct. App. 2006) . This is because “it is far better to eliminate the source of a potentia l legal disability than to require the citizen to suffer the possibly unjustified consequence of the disability itself for an indefinite period of time.” In re Marriage of Stariha , 509 N.E.2d 1117, 1123 (Ind. Ct. App. 1987) (quoting Sibron v. New York , 39 2 U.S. 40, 57 (1968) )

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[16] Mother contends we should address the merits of this appeal. First, she notes the document on which the State relies to prove Mother consented to an interview with the Children is not a proper part of the record on appeal and should not be considered

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parties should inform the appellate court “of a post

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[17] Nonetheless, even if we accept the State’s additional evidence, we decline the State’s invitation to dismiss the case as moot and agree with Mother that this case involves a matter of constitutional proportions and is of great public interest

. 12 Mother’s claim of constitutional infringement on her right to raise her child ren rests on the premise that Indiana Code section 31

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. T he trial court in this case grant ed a stay to allow Mother to appeal its order, but time is often of the essence in cases dealing with possible threats to the welfare of childr en, and a stay in each case to allow for individual review is not a certainty. 13 Although a reversal might not afford

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Mother any relief given subsequent events , a decision on the merits will offer direction to courts in future cases where DCS seeks an order compelling an interview. 

## II I . Is Section 31

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A . Standard of Review
[18] The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees both procedural and substantive due process rights. McIntosh v. Melroe Co., a Div. of Clark Equip. Co. , 729 N .E.2d 972, 975 (Ind. 2000). Procedural due process ensures that a party will be given notice and an opportunity to be heard at a meaningful time and in a meaningful
manner. Id. To determine whether a constitutional violation has occurred, we ask what pr ocess was provided and whether it was constitutionally adequate

. Zinermon v. Burch , 494 U.S. 113, 126 (1990). Substantive due process “declares some actions so outlandish that they cannot be accomplished by any procedure.” McIntosh , 729 N.E.2d at 975

. It ensures that state action is not arbitrary or capricious regardless of the procedures used. Honeycutt v. Ong , 806 N.E.2d 52, 58 (Ind. Ct. App. 2004). “An arbitrary and capricious decision is one which is patently unreasonable. It is made without cons ideration of the facts and in total disregard of the circumstances and lacks any basis which might lead a reasonable person to the same conclusion.” City of Indianapolis v.

stay, concluded in the absence of any evidence to the contrary that the children had already been interviewed and would have dismissed the mother’s appeal as moot because no effective relief could be granted. Id. at 968

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Woods , 703 N.E.2d 1087, 1091 (Ind. Ct. App. 1998), trans. denied

. To state a clai m for a violation of substantive due process, a party must show that the law infringes upon a fundamental right or liberty interest deeply rooted in our nation’s history or that the law does not bear a substantial relation to permissible state objectives. Washington v. Glucksberg , 521 U.S. 702, 720

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[19] As relevant to this case, the United States Supreme Court has held “ the sanctity of the family ” is protected “precisely because the institution of the family is deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.” Moore v. City of E

. Cleveland , 431 U.S. 494, 50 3 (1977). The Due Process Clause therefore protects freedom of personal choice in family life matters. In re T .H. , 856 N.E.2d 1247, 1250 (Ind. Ct. App. 2006); see also E.P. v. Marion Cnty. Office of Family & Children , 653 N.E.2d 1026, 1031 (Ind. Ct. App. 1995) (“Indeed, the courts of this state have long and consistently held that the right to raise one’s children is essential, basic, more precious than property rights, and within the protection of the Fourteenth Amen dment . . . .”). This includes a parent’s fundamental right to raise his or her child without undue interference by the state. In re T.H. , 856 N.E.2d at 1250

. The right is not unlimited, however, and the S tate has the authority under its parens patriae power to intervene when parents neglect, abuse, or abandon their children. Id.

[20] In general, laws that burden the exercise of a fundamental right receive the strictest scrutiny. Ind

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N.E.2d 331, 337 ( Ind. 1994); see also G.B. v. Dearborn Cnty. Div. of Family & Children , 754 N.E.2d 1027, 1031 (Ind. Ct. App. 20 0 1) (“Because [Appellants] have a fundamental right to family integrity, we must strictly construe the challenged statute.”), trans. denied . Unde r the strict scrutiny standard, a statute must serve a compelling state interest and be narrowly tailored to serve that interest. Crafton v. Gibson , 752 N.E.2d 78, 91 (Ind. Ct. App. 2011).



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[21] Mother does not argue Indiana Cod e section 31

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. But she argues this panel should reconsider the holding in A.H. , especially in light of the Seventh Circuit’s decision in Doe v. Heck , 327 F.3d 492 (7 th Cir. 2003) , and hold that an order compelling an interview under Indiana Code section 31

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[22] For its part , the State concedes Mother has a fundamental due process right to raise her children without undue interference by the State. It argues, however, that the trial court’s application of Indiana Code section 31

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violate Mother’s substantive or procedural due process rights because the trial court’s order was issued after an evidentiary hearing and was a proper exercise of the State’s parens patriae power to intervene to protect the welfare of the children. The State urges us to adopt the reasoning of A.H. and hold the trial court’s order granting DCS’s petition to interview the Children pursuant to Indiana Code section 31

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[23] The facts of A.H. are very similar to the facts here: DCS received a report the mother was selling heroin and prescription drugs, was using methamphetamine and heroin on a daily basis in the presence of her three children, and there were syringes all around the house . DCS initiated an assessment, and a family case manager made a home visit. She interviewed the mother, who stated she had no history of drug use other than prescribed medication s. The m other submitted to a drug screen which came back negative for all drugs except those she was prescribed , and the case manager observed no signs the mother was impaired or under the influence of drugs. The case manager walked through every room in the house and saw no evidence of drug use or dealing . The one child who was present at the time of the visit appeared healthy , but the case manager did not speak with him due to his age

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the visit, DCS spoke with the father of one of the mother’s other children , who reported the mother had a history of drug abuse, but he had not seen her in months and did not know if she was currently using drugs.

[24] Two weeks after the home visit, DCS filed petitions to interview the two oldest children . T he mother opposed the petitions on du e process grounds. At the hearing, the case manager affirmed she had been trained and had experience in recognizing signs of daily drug use. When asked if the evidence she observed during the home visit failed to substantiate the allegations of the repor t , she

r eplied that it did, “ [ a ] t that point.” 992 N.E.2d at 962 (alteration in original) (citation omitted)

. The trial court acknowledged the mot her’s argument about her fundamental right to direct the upbringing of her children was “compelling[ ],” but found DCS also had a compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children and had no means other than an interview to directly assess the conditions of the children as directed by statute. Id. at 962

- 63. The trial court granted the DCS ’ request to i nterview the children and the mother appealed. Id. at 9 63.

[25] The mother argued on appeal that Indiana’s statutory scheme, which permit ted the trial court to order her to surrender her children for an interview in the absence of evidence demonstrating the child ren we re being abused or neglected,
was contrary to her right to due process. The court recognized that when determining whether a given procedure affords a litigant proper process, it must balance three factors: 1) the private interests affected by the proceeding; 2) the risk of error created by the chosen procedure; and 3) the countervailingCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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governmental interest supporting use of the challenged procedure

. Id. at 966. T he court noted the mother’s interest in the care, custody, and control of her children and DCS’s interest in protecting the welfare of the children are both substantial

. Id. However, [w] hile we recognize the fundamental right of a parent to raise her child without undue in terference by the state, we cannot say that due process requires DCS to conduct an assessment or a portion of an assessment in order to obtain information which would provide a basis supporting the accuracy or reliability of the report, prior to interviewi ng the child or children. Indeed, an interview of the child or children as part of this initial evaluation may provide the information needed for DCS to classify a report as substantiated or unsubstantiated. . . . [W] e cannot say that the risk of error c reated by the legislature’s chosen procedure in Ind. Code § 31

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Id. at 967. Accordingly, the court affirmed the trial court ’s order granting the DCS petition to interview the children. Id. at 968.

[26] Mother argues we should reconsider A.H. because it conflicts with a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals opinion holding that child abuse investigators violated the constitutional rights of a child and his pare nts when they conducted a custodial interview of the child without the parents’ consent in the absence of any evidence giving rise to a reasonable suspicion that the child was being abused. Heck , 327 F.3d at 524. For several reasons, however, we find it unnecessary to turn to Heck to resolve the issue before us.Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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[27] First, there are significant factual , procedural, and legal distinctions between Heck and this case which make Heck ’s utility for our purposes questionable at best

. Heck originates from Wisconsin. The Heck court summarized the facts as follows: Several weeks after learning that administrators of the Greendale Baptist Church and Academy used corporal punishment as a form of discipline in primary grade school, caseworkers f or the Bureau of Milwaukee Child Welfare initiated an investigation for child abuse. Ov er the objection of the Academy’ s principal, and without a warrant or parental notification or consent, the caseworkers removed eleven

- year - old John Doe Jr. from his fo urth

- grade classroom and interviewed him about corporal punishment that he and other students may have received and certain family matters. Thereafter, the caseworkers unsuccessfully attempted to interview John Jr. ’ s parents and sister, and threatened to remove the Doe children from their parents’ custody. The caseworkers also attempted, on a separate occasion, to interview other students at the Academy, whom John Jr. had identified as having been spanked, but the principal at the school flatly refused to grant them access to the children without a court order or parental consent. The Bureau eventually ended its investigation due to lack of information, and the Academy and parents filed suit against three child welfare caseworkers, in both their individua l and official capacities, alleging that the manner in which they handled the investigation violated their rights under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.
Id. at 499. Although there are several significant factual diff erence s between Heck and this case, we mention just two: in Heck , the allegation was that a third party was abusing the child by using corporal punishment; there was no allegation that the parents were abusing or neglecting the child other than theCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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casewo rkers ’ belief that they might be “complicit” in the abuse because they presumably knew of the school’s corporal punishment policy and did not prevent their child from being spanked. See id. at 502. Here, the reports were that Mother and Father were thems elves abusing and/or neglecting their C hildren. Moreover, in Heck , the interview with the child was completed without his parents’ knowledge, let alone consent; here, Mother had full knowledge of the desired interview and exercised her prerogative to decline to give her consent
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[28] Procedurally, the plaintiffs in Heck brought a S ection 1983 14 claim against the caseworkers, individually and in their official capacities . The defendants asserted qualified immunity, and the d istrict court granted their motion for summary judgment. In order to determine whether qualified immunity shielded the defendants from liability for the plaintiffs’ constitutional claims, the reviewing court first had to determine whether the facts allege d showed the conduct by the caseworkers violated a constitutional right at all. Although it concluded that some of the actions taken by the defendants were unconstitutional, it also concluded that the defendants were entitled to qualified immunity and aff

irmed the district court decision. See id. at 499. Here, we are addressing the prop riety of a trial court’s action in prospectively granting a

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motion that would allow the case workers to conduct an interview rather than retroactively reviewing actions alr eady taken.

[29] Legally, the statute under which the caseworkers in He ck conducted their investigation provides that upon receiving a report from which there is reason to suspect child abuse or neglect, the appropriate agency shall initiate a diligent investig ation to determine if the child is in need of protection and services. Wis. Stat. § 48.981(3)(c)(1)(a) (1997). Under certain circumstances, “the investigation shall also include observation or an interview with the child, or both, and, if possible, an in terview with the child’s parents, guardian or legal custodian.” Wis. Stat. § 48.981(3)(c)(1)(b) (1997). The agency may contact, observe or interview the child at any location without permission from the child’s parent , guardian or legal custodian if neces sary to determine if the child is in need of protection or services, except that the person making the investigation may enter a child’s dwelling only with permission from the child’s parent, guardian or legal custodian or after obtaining a court order to do so.
Id. Mother asserts the Wisconsin statute and the Indiana statute are “identical in all meaningful, relevant respects” and “cannot be meaningfully distinguished,” Br

. of Appellant at 14 , although she does acknowledge a “significant” difference, id. at 17: Indiana’s statute does not allow DCS to seize a child and conduct an interview without either parental consent or a court order, whereas Wisconsin’s statute requires neither. This , the State argues, “is a very big difference.” Brief of Appellee at 11 n.7. U nlike the statute addressedCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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in Heck , the Indiana statute requires notice to the parent and a hearing before a court order may be issued compelling a parent to make his or her children available for an interview. See Ind. Code §§ 31

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[30] Second, i n addition to th e dissimilarities between this case and Heck , Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals cases are not binding on Indiana state courts. Ind

. Dep’t of Pub. Welfare v. Payne , 622 N.E.2d 461, 468 (Ind. 1993) (noting that “lower federal court decisions may be persuasiv e but have non

- binding authority on state courts”). Mother acknowledges this, but nonetheless urges us to consider Heck persuasive authority serving as a basis for “reconsidering” A.H. , which “clearly authorizes a trial court to issue an order under Ind. Code § 31

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. of Appellant at 23. A.H. is a Court of Appeals decision, however, and we do not recognize horizontal stare decisis in Indiana. See In re C.F. , 911 N.E.2d 657, 65 8 (Ind. Ct. App. 2009) (s tating “each panel of this Court has coequal authority on an issue”)

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facts and circumstances presented by this case, we are not bound by it. See id. In short, we write upon a clean slate. 15

[31] As noted above, parents have a c onstitutional right to raise their children without undue interference and the State has a valid, comp elling interest in protecting those same children , though its interest does not rise to the level of a fundamental right

. See In re T.H. , 856 N.E.2d at 1250. E ssentia lly, we are asked to determine what standard of evidence is enough to tip the balance to ward the State ’s interest and justify compelling the parent to act in a manner inconsistent with his or her right to control the family

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. Mother does not claim that the C hildren cannot be interviewed under any circumstances ; rather, she asserts that an order compelling interviews over her objection was inappropriate on this record. The State asserts that imposing an evidentiary threshold of reasonable suspicion or probable cause before an order

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compelling an interview can be granted is contrary to good public policy and would interfere with the State’s interest in protecting the welfare of children. 16

[32] Indiana Code section 31

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- 7(e) ( pro viding the court may grant a motion to interview the child). Because of the distinction between must and may , the legislature cannot have intended an interview with a child to be a matter of course in every assessment. See G.E. v. Ind. Dep’t of Child Ser vs. , 29 N.E.3d 769, 771 (Ind. Ct. App. 2015) (noting the term “may” “ordinarily implies a permissive condition”); State ex rel. S

. Hills Mental Health Ctr., Inc. v. Dubois Cnty. , 446 N.E.2d 996, 1001 (Ind. Ct.

16 The State asserted at oral argument that the legislature did not include an evidentiary standard within the statute for a reason. See https:/ / mycourts.in.gov/arguments/default.aspx?id=1898&view=detail (beginning at 25:30). 17 See supra Section I.Court of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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App. 1983) (“The words ‘must’ and ‘shall’ are mandatory terms.”)

. Rather , DCS is not required to conduct an interview with a child as part of its assessment, and the trial court is not required to issue an order allowing an interview over a parent’s objection. However, t he trial court may issue such an order if DCS shows good cause on the record supporting its request for an interview.

[33] The motion seeking to compel Mother to submit her children for DCS interviews states: Comes now [DCS], and pursuant to Indiana Code § 31

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- 13, moves the Court for a hearing on the ability to control the conduct of [Mother] and [Father] . . ., who refused an interview with the parents and the children requested by [DCS] regarding an assessment of allegations of drug abuse and domestic violence. [Mother] and [Father] need to comply with the request of [DCS] with an interview and allow the children to be interviewed allowing the allegations of substance abuse and domestic violence to be assessed. In support thereof, counsel for [DCS] s tates as follows: 1. That on March 17, 2015, two additional reports [ 18 ] were received by [DCS] that may constitute an instance of child abuse and/or neglect, in that there may be substance abuse and domestic violence in the home

. . . . 2. That responsibi lity for the report w as assigned to Family Case Mana ger Brenda Hogan after the reports were received in order to assess the children for potential abuse or neglect. 3. That Brenda Hogan states that in order to complete a

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thorough assessment, she would nee d an interview with [ Mother], [Father], and the children. * * * 5. That an order to control the conduct of [Mother] and [Father] is necessary to effectuate the goal and mission of [DCS], in order to protect the children from abuse and neglect. Appellant’s App. at 18

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[34] Good cause is an admittedly imprecise standard. See Newton v. Yates , 170 Ind. App. 486, 496, 353 N.E.2d 485, 492 (1976) (stating, in the discovery context, that “[w]hile an exact definition of good cause is somewhat elusive, it is clear t hat a mere allegation of need and a summary statement alleging that the information cannot be obtained from another source will not be sufficient to surmount a ‘good cause’ hurdle”). Nonetheless, it is the statutory standard upon which the trial court mus t base its decision. We are not prepared to say that a higher evidentiary threshold is constitutionally required to support an order compelling an interview, as we do not have to under the facts of this case. As in Newton , DCS cannot merely allege it “ needs” to interview a child to “complete its assessment” and thereby show good cause. Something m ore is required , but nothing more was shown in this case.

[35] DCS is statutorily required to assess all reports of child abuse and neglect. Before an order can b e entered overriding a parent’s wishes and subjecting a child to an interview, however, DCS must show the trial court some evidence beyond a report from an undisclosed source that neglect or abuse is occurring. In other words, a re port triggers an assessm ent , but b ecause the assessment isCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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not required to include an interview with the child, the report alone does not allow DCS to conduct such an interview. Rather, if in gathering information about the items required to be included in an assessment, DCS fin ds some evidence supporting the allegations of the report and determines

— not as a matter of course, but as a result of the circumstances of the specific case being investigated

— that an interview is necessary to complete “an appropriately thorough” assessment , DCS may ask the trial court to order an interview if the parent does not consent

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[36] There was no such evidence in this case. At the hearing on DCS’s motion, evidence was presented that four reports of abuse or neglect were made to DCS against Mother and Father within a month. An additional report implicating abuse or neglect was made to the probation department during this time . Three home visits were conducted by three different people as a result of those reports. Hogan made a visit to the home after the first allegation, during which she saw no evidence to support the report and classified the report as unsubstantiated. Grizzel made a visit to the home after the probation department received a report that Mother was using drugs. He saw n o evi dence of drug use or manufacturing in the house, no indication Mother was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and Mother passed a drug screen. Hogan accompanied Grizzel to the home to assess the second and third reports made to DCS, but was unab le to gain access to the home herself. Based upon what Grizzel told her, however, she was satisfied the children were safe. Nonetheless, DCS filed its motion to control Mother’s conduct and submit her children to an interviewCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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after this visit. Tobin vis ited the home after the fourth report was made. She also saw no evidence of drug use , found the home environment to be safe and appropriate, and saw no issues of concern with respect to the children. She stated that from what she saw, the accusations mad e in the fourth report were false. M ultiple reports and multiple visits led to the same result: no evidence supporting an allegation of abuse or neglect.

[37] The State asserted at oral argument that Grizzel’s testimony was sufficient to support further inv estigation . Grizzel learned that Mother had been regularly purchasing the maximum legal amount of pseudoephedrine. Nonetheless, Mother’s purchases were within legal limits. In Grizzel’s “professional opinion,” the alcohol he found at Mother’s home was n ot “old” as she claimed, but Mother did not exhibit any signs of intoxication. Tr. at 57. Grizzel did not accept the urine sample Mother provided at the home because of its color and temperature , but she later provided a supervised sample that tested cle an . T he State posits that Mother was being dishonest with Grizzel and it would be reasonable for the trial court to assume from his testimony , when considering the totality of the circumstances, that there was probably more going on than DCS was able to s ee in its home visits. 19 Whether or not it would be reasonable for the trial court to assume anything from Mother’s interaction with her probation officer, the “totality of the circumstances” also include repeated

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reports that may have been precipitated by ulterior motives, three home visits in four weeks’ time that uncovered no evidence of drug use or violence in the home, and testimony from one DCS case manager that not only was there no evidence that would support the allegations of the report, but that the allegations were untrue.

[38] The State also asserts that DCS was unable to show any such evidence because it was unable to interview the children. In this regard, it is important to consider the nature of the allegations. Here, the primary allegations concerned drug use, external signs of which would likely be apparent to the trained

— and perhaps untrained

— eye. In addition, there were allegations of physical violence between Mother and Father. Yet no official who interacted with the family saw evidence of either . There was no drug paraphernalia in or around the house, there were no visible marks from drug use or bruises from physical altercations , neither Mother nor Father ever appeared intoxicated or under the influence of drugs, and both consistently pas sed drug screens. N o probative evidence support ing the allegations was shown on the record, and accordingly, there was no good cause to compel interviews with the Children.

[39] As in A.H. , we agree the procedure selected by the legislature for assessing reports of child abuse and compelling interviews with children does not necessarily violate due process. See 992 N.E.2d at 967. However, when the procedure is not observed, such as here where DCS did not demonstrate by any evidence that an interview was necessary for it to carry out its obligation to investigate reports of child abuse or neglect, the law impermissibly infringesCourt of Appeals of Indiana | Opinion 13A01

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upon the parent’s fundamental right to raise her children without undue interference by the State. Accordingly, we hold the tri al court erred in issuing an order to control Mother’s conduct by compelling her to submit her children to an interview by DCS. 20 

# Conclusion
[40] The statutes on which DCS based its request to control Mother’s conduct by compelling her to submit the Children to interviews by DCS require DCS to show some evidence suggesting abuse or neglect before the trial court may issue such an order. No such evidence was presented to the trial court in this case, and the order issued pursuant to Indiana Code section 31

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[41] Reversed.
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20 This decision does not vitiate any consent Mother gave for the Children to be interviewed following events sub sequent to those specifically at issue herein.