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• | MEETING SUMMAR Y FOURTH WEPC O LITIGANT S MEETING NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M January 7, 1999 Th e meetin g wa s hel d vi aatelephon e conference . Th e meetin g bega

n a t approximatel y 10:3 0 a man d close d a t approximatel

y 11:1 0 am . Attache d i s alis t o f attendees . Lydi aWegma

n opened th e meetin g by indicatin g tha t EP A will send th e invitatio n letter s "late r thi s week " fo

r th e upcomin g face-to-fac e meetin g o n Februar y 2/3,1999 . Ms . Wegma

n indicate d tha

t ther e will b e no restriction s on attendanc e a t th e meeting . Ms . Wegma

n asked if th e WEPC O litigant s ha

d reache d a

n agreemen

t and whethe

r th e industr y ha d aproposa

l in preparatio n fo

r th e upcoming meeting . Chuc k Knaus s indicate d tha

t th e industr y ha s ha d afe w meetings , and afe

w mor e meeting s wer

e planned , and tha

t they hav e bee n tryin g to develop aproposal . Mr . Knaus s als o indicate d tha t th e industr

y understoo d th e parameter s bu t

tha t ther e wer e alo t o f issue s to b e resolved . Mr . Knaus s furthe r sai d tha t the y (the industry ) will mak

e a s muc h progres s a s possibl e prior t o th e meeting , bu t

coul d no t promis e afleshed ou

t proposal . Mr . Knaus s mentione d tha t i t wa s importan

t t o understan d othe

r stakeholders ' view s whic h will onl y b e possibl e a

t th e meeting . Ther

e wa s abrie f

discussio n o n who ha d bee n attendin g th e industr y meetings . Ms . Wegma

n aske d if th e industr

y wa s plannin g to mee

t wit h th e Stat e agencie s an

d Dav e Hawkins . Mr . Knaus s replie d tha t th e industr

y wa s plannin g t

o talk t o bot h th e State s an d Mr . Hawkins , an

d tha t th e industr

y wil l attemp t

to wor k ou t th e detail s i n thei r

proposal . Ms . Wegma

n indicate d tha

t EP A woul d lik

e thi s proces s to b e "stakeholder-generated, " an d tha t EP A woul d lik

e t o participat

e in it , bu t no t lead . Ms . Wegma

n als o sai d tha

t th e ne w idea s hav e alo t of interest , bu t

tha t ther e wer e som e pitfall s also . Therefore , EP A i s encouragin g th e industr y to revie w the

man d reac h aconsensu s first. Ms . Wegma

n aske d fo r comment s fro

mDave Hawkin s o n "ho w to mak e thi s work? " Mr . Hawkin s sai d tha

t h e ha d talke d to som

e peopl e in th e environmenta l community , bu t

ha d not talke d to th e States . He indicate d tha t th e mos t practica l approach woul d b e adeclinin g ca p a s asubstitut

e fo r reviewin g each proces s change . Whe n asked b y Ms . Wegma

n a s t o whethe

r tha t woul d occu

r a t th e tim e grandfathering ends , Mr . Hawkin s explaine d tha t th e preferenc e woul d b e t o reduc e emission s earlie r rathe r tha n waitin g severa

l years . Furthermore , th e reduction s woul d b e o n ascal e independen t of an y futur e rules , but

tha t th e emission s a

t an y time mus t comply wit

h all rules . Whe

n aske d by Ann aWoo

d whether , in additio n t o meetin g standards , th e emissio n reduction s wil l represen t awell-controlle d facility , Mr . Hawkin s replie d tha t th e emission s level s would eithe r represen t today' s state-of-the-ar

t an d reduc e accordin g t o a pre-determine d scal e (e.g. , astraigh t line ) o r th e futur e target coul d b e base d o n adynami c definitio n wherei n th e state-of-the-ar t woul d b e define

d in th e futur

e a t certai n interval s in time . Th e emission s reductio n coul d b e measure d ove r a10-yea r perio d usin g a2

- or

3-yea r averaging .P. 3

Whe n asked by Bil l Pedersen ho w th e "ca p an d trade " between facilitie s woul d wor k onc e adeclinin g ca

p wa s established , Mr . Hawkin s replie d tha t th e questio n o f

loca l ai r qualit y will hav e to b e addresse d given tha t som e facilitie s ma

y i n fac t increas e emissions . Whe

n aske d bu Ms . Wood whethe

r awel l controlle d facilit

y coul d b e "P2, " Mr . Hawkin s responde d tha t th e main concer

n wa s th e tota

l emission s fro

mafacilit y to th e atmosphere . Mr . Pedersen aske d wha

t i f afacilit y did no t reduc e emissions , instead i t increase d capacit y whil e maintainin g th e sam e emissio n level . Mr . Hawkin s responde d tha t i f th e highe r capacit y woul d replac e productio n elsewhere , the n i t woul d represent

a n environmenta

l plus . Mr . Hawkin s furthe

r expresse d tha

t th e preferenc e woul d b e fo r asystemtha

t di d no t forg o emission s reduction . Mr . Pedersen responde d by sayin g tha t " I d o no t hea r a'no'. " Tamm y Wyle s aske d whethe

r th e emissio n ca

p would b e base d o n permitte d o r actua l emissio n levels . Mr . Hawkin s explaine d tha t th e preferenc e woul d b e fo r actua l emission s becaus e tha

t i s wha t th e environmen

t wil l "see. " Whe

n aske d by Chuc

k Knaus s about

ho w th e cyclica l natur e o f businesse s woul d b e accounte d fo r i n determinin g actua

l emissions , Mr . Hawkin s replie d tha

t th e definitio n of

"current actuals " i s les s critical , and tha t i t onl y represente d th e startin g point . The curren t syste mfocussed on stayin g a

t current actuals . Mr . Hawkin s als o indicate d tha t rathe r tha n reviewin g level of

control s fo

r individua l unit s (ne w o r existing) , th e preferenc e woul d b e to examine th e level of performanc e fo

r th e facilit y a s a whole . Also , th e facilit

y woul d enhanc e performanc e s o tha t adeclin e i n emission s i s achieved . Whe n aske d abou

t ho w th e rat

e of declin e woul d b e determined , Mr . Hawkin s reiterate d th e tw o option s discusse d above , i.e. , base d on upfron t definitio n of

state-of-the-ar

t o r adynami c definitio n tha

t woul d var

y wit h time . Whe n aske d by Mr . Pedersen whethe r complianc e wit

h futur e regulation s woul d satisf

y th e declinin g requirement , Mr . Hawkin s expresse d tha t he wa s no t

sure , bu t i t wa s a n optio n tha

t coul d b e discussed . Mr . Knaus s aske d who th e EP A ha d talke d t o fromth e States . Denni s Crumple r replie d tha t EP A ha d spoke n to Bil l Becker , Bob Hodanbos i fro mSTAPP A and John Paul from ALAPCO . Ms . Wegma

n stresse d tha

t i t woul d hel p if th e industr

y discusse d thes e matter s amongs t themselve s an

d wit h th e States . Mr . Crumple

r aske d Mr . Knaus s t

o fa x alis t o f peopl e to invit

e fo r th e upcomin g meetin g on Februar

y 2/3,1999 . Ther

e wa s abrie f

discussio n o

n som e new participant s who might b e present a t th e meeting , e.g. , Conferenc e o f Mayors , Ms . Wegman' s lis t o f subcommitte e members , printin g industry , and iro n an d steel industry . Whe

n aske d whethe

r th e meetin g wil l b e astandar

d stakeholde

r meetin g o r aFAC A process , Ms . Wegma

n replie d tha

t th e meetin g wil l b e hel d under

th e auspice s of

th e Clea n Ai r Ac t Advisor y Committe e (CAAAC) , whic h i s a FAC A process . Mr . Crumple r informed th e participant s tha t th e meetin g wil l b e hel d a

t J W Marriot

t (133 1 Pennsylvani aAvenue , 202-393-2000 ) an d tha t th e room s fo

r overnigh t sta y wil l b e availabl e a

t Hote l Washingto n (202-638-5900) . Th e meetin g wa s the n adjourned . i.yyy '• ' i 7



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ATTENDEE S FOURTH WEPC O LITIGANT S MEETIN G NE W SOURC

E REVIE W REFOR

M January 7, 1999 Nam e Chuc k Knaus s Henr y Nicke l Bill Lewi s Bill Pedersen Tamm y Wyle s Bett y Cox Lis aJaege r ? Hatcherso n ? Wilco x Jack i Savag e Christin e Bate s Dav e Hawkin s Lydi aWegma

n Kare n Blanchar

d Denni s Crumple

r Mik e Sewell Da n DeRoeck Greg Foot e Le aAnderso n Jo n Devin e Caro l Holme s Rich ? Mala y Jinda l Valeri e Everette Affiliatio n Swidle r & Berli n Hunto n & William s Morgan , Lewi s & Bockiu s Shaw , Pittman , Pott s & Trowbridg e Georgi aPacific/AF&P

A AP I Brecewell & Patterso n 7 7 Daimler-Chrysle

r Genera l Motor s NRD C EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OAQP S EPA/OG C EPA/OG C EPA/OG C EPA/OECA/AE

D EPA/OECA PE S (EP A Contractor

) PE S (EP A Contractor

) Telephon e No . (202 ) 424-764 4 (202)955-156 1 (202)467-714 5 (202 ) 663-885 2 (404)652-728 1 (202 ) 682-825 0 (202 ) 828-584 7 7 7 (248 ) 576-805 4 (313)556-788 5 (202 ) 289-686 8 (919)541-550 5 (919)541-550 3 (919 ) 541-087 1 (919)541-087 3 (919)541-559 3 (202 ) 260-762 0 (202 ) 260-834 7 (202 ) 260-698 4 (202 ) 564-870 9 7 (919)941-033 3 (919)941-033 3 

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