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DOE Fan Working Group Meeting Agenda 

July 21 and 22, 

AMCA Offices and Laboratory – Arlington Heights, IL

July 21, 2015

9:00 to 9:15 Welcome, Introductions, Logistics

9:15 to 10:15 Industrial Fan Market Presentation & Discussion (AMCA)– Industrial issues will be 

discussed and AMCA positions explained regarding many industrial market topics 

that have yet to be addressed. 

• Market size

• Typical applications

• Players in the room that are industrial (Clarage, TCF, NYB, Howden)

10:15 to 10:30 Break

10:30 to Noon Scope (DOE/AMCA)

a. Review and attempt to consolidate the In/Out lists that have been 

presented to date. 

b. Power Range: 

The lower limit of regulation is recommended as follows: .... If a fan is 

offered for sale using 1.0 fan-shaft bhp at max speed and max bhp, DOE 

certification would be required. Manufacturer certification of efficiency is 

limited to the regulated range of design points at 1 bhp and up. Discussion.

The upper limit of regulation has been proposed as “200 BHP at the fan 

shaft”. Further thinking has exposed this as an issue where a less efficient 

fan would be exempted from regulation while a more efficient fan (that 

consumes less than 200 HP) would be regulated. Using air power as an 

upper limit resolves the issue but is a concept new to our discussions. 

Explore the issue.

VOTE

 Metric (DOE)

 FEP/FEI vs. Peak Efficiency: Presentation of why we selected FEI over Peak or 

multi-point Efficiency showing data and written arguments or a PowerPoint.

VOTE

Wire-to-air discussion – how will the regulation handle

EC motors

TEAO Motors

VFD and motor starters

VFD + Motor performance defaults

VOTE
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Noon to 12:30 Lab Tour, Group one while lunch is served to group two

12:30 to 1:00 Lab Tour, Group two while lunch is served to group one

1:00 to 3:00. Levels

Compare non-compliance, impact and savings numbers by category 

Talk about the impact on compliance of the defaults and tolerances 

Discuss specific levels and reasons for levels recommended 

3:00 to 3:15 Break

3:15 to 5:00 Certification to DOE

DOE Educate (some) AMCA members on precisely what needs to be certified.

How do we do this on custom fans that are not cataloged?

Propose use of ECAT standardized formatting of data

OEM air-performance compliant range

Reported to DOE?

Based on DOE test standard?

5:00 Adjourn

July 22, 2015 

8:00 to 9:00 Manufacturer Published Efficiency Ratings

a. FEI should be the regulated metric? VOTE

i) Describe problems with FEP only. 

ii) Affirm that DOE regulation is confined to the efficiency metric only 

b. Manufacturing sampling for ratings – what requirements should be and 

why VOTE

c. Engineer-to-order – how will this be handled?

9:00 to 10:00 Labeling – review of obligations anticipated

a. Manufacturers

b. OEM’s 

c. Distributors and sales reps VOTE

10:00 to 10:15 Break

10:15 to 12:00 Embedded Fans in Un Regulated Products

- Where is the circle drawn? VOTE

- What is the metric? VOTE

- What is the role of DOE regulating the OEM representations of efficiency 

and compliant range of products with embedded fans? 

 i) Defining relationship of box to fan in the DOE test standard.

 ii) Setting a maximum casing loss?

VOTE
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12:00 to 1:00 Lunch

1:00 to 3:00 Embedded fans in regulated products

Report from working sub-group VOTE

3:00 pm Adjourn