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Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 07/18/200 1 03:2 3 P M - EP A AI R DOCKET To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA.US_}bP A cc : Subject:Re: OL D electroni cpreambl e an d rul e (Se e attache d file : Question s on the OL D NESHAPS.doc ) Martha
Attache d i s a word fil e containing dat a request s relate d t o the issue s w e discusse d ove r th e telephone . I a mparticularl yintereste d i n seeing mor e dat a on th e emissio n potentia l o f variou s kind s o f crud e i n variou s situations . Thanks , Bryo n
D NESHAPS.d c Question s o n th e 0 

### Question s o nth e NESHAP : OLD I woul dlik e t o se e som e dat asupportin g th e decisio nto includ e al l type s o f crud e oi l othe r tha nblac k

oi l unde r thi s NESHAP . Particularly , I woul dlik e t o se e th e dat athat justifie s classifyin g OL D facilitie s that handl e onl y crude , o r

onl y som e type s o f

crude , a s "majo r sources" . O nth e loadin g rac k

issues , I woul dlik e t o se e som e anestimat e o f th e cos t t o ad danothe r loadin g rac k

positio nan dacompariso no f thi s cos t t o th e cos t

t o implemen t

th e require d control s o naposition .Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v

08/06/200 1 11:46 A M Martha
To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : Subject:Re : OLD electroni cpreambl e an d rul e

DO T forwarde d m e th e followin g questio n abou t th e potentia l impact s o f th e OL'D " NESHA P o n tank " trut-i s Althoug h no t explicitl ystated , I believ e th e rul e wil l hav e th e affec t o f requirin g vapo r recover ysystem s o n mor e carg o tank s an d mor e botto m loadin g o f carg o tan k moto r vehicle s (ther e ar e n o othe r way s I kno wo f t o reduc e emmission s a t a loadin g rack) . Thi s i s supporte d by : Tabl e 7 t o Subpar t EEEE—Initia l Complianc e wit h Wor k Practic e Standards . A s state d i n 63.2370(a ) an d 63.2382(e) , yo u mus t sho winitia l complianc e wit h th e wor k practic e standard s fo r existin g o r ne waffecte d source s accordin g t o th e followin g table : Unde r # 3 o f thi s table , transfe r rack s ar e require d t o tak e step s t o ensur e tha t onl yvapor-tigh t carg o tank s loa d a t affecte d loadin g positions . Th e safet yramificatio n o f mor e botto mloadin g i s obvious . Unles s th e pipe s ar e drained , botto mloadin g lead s t o we t line s an d we t line s lea d t o HM o n th e groun d durin g crashe s wit h cars . I n doin g a littl e researc h o n th e lis t o f material s EP Ainclude d i n th e rule , the yinclud e man yclas s 3 material s tha t ar e packin g grou p I . Thi s stuf f i s wors e tha n gasoline . Als o include d ar e som e poison s an d acids . Th e safet yramificatio n o f mor e vapo r recover ysystem s i s tha t mor e carg o tank s wil l us e th e EP AMetho d 2 7 tes t a s a substitut e fo r th e DO T leakag e tes t (allowe d by180.407(h)(2)) . Include d i n thi s wil l b e man yM C 307/DO T 40 7 tanks . Whil e EP AMetho d 2 7 i s currentl yallowed , i t i s no t a n equivilen t tes t t o a DO T leakag e test . I n fac t i t i s conducte d a t 27 % o f th e pressur e fo r a MC306/DOT40 6 tan k fo r whic h w e intende d i t t o b e use d whe n w e authorize d i t a s a n exception . W e neve r intende d tha t i t b e use d fo r MC307/DOT40 7 tank s whic h hav e MAW P o f 25-4 0 Th e EP Ates t i s conducte d a t 2. 0 t o 3. 3 percen t o f th e leakag e tes t pressure s fo r thes e tanks . Thi s rul e woul d expan d it s us e i n th e moto r carrie r industry . Coul d yo u loo k int o thi s an d le t m e kno wwha t th e actua l impac t o f th e rul e woul d be . Thanks , Bryo n P. 3 \



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Jonathan.Pawlow@sba.go v 08/08/200 1 12:5 9 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc:Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.gov , kevin.bromberg@sba.go v Subject:** * OL D MAC TRul e 

### Dea r Martha , I understan dthat

yo u ar e th e projec t

manager fo r th e OLD MAC T Rule , whic hi s currentl y at OM B for review . I a mcurrentl y reviewin g an ddigesting , o nbehal f o f th e S B A/Offic e o f Advocacy , th e rul e an dsupportin g informatio nyo u sent t o us . I wan t

t o introduc e mysel f

t o you , an dt o as k

yo u acouple o f

questions , whic hhav e com e up s o fa r durin g my revie w o f

th e rule . Firs t o f all , I note dthat

th e rule' s Preambl e make s afew brie f reference s t o discussion s th e Agenc y ha s ha dwithth e regulate dcommunity . Fo r example , o np.3 4 o f

th e Preamble , i na discussio nabou t

rul e applicability cutoffs , mentio ni s mad e o f th e cutof f poin t that was selecte d a s havin g bee n"agree dt o b y industry reviewer s a s areasonabl e level. " An do np . 67 , inth e discussio no f

th e RFA , mentio ni s mad e that th e Agenc y "worke dwithvariou s trad e association s durin g th e developmen t

o f th e propose drule. " I s ther e anythin g whic hfurther lay s ou t th e discussions/agreement s reache dwithth e industry representative s referre dt o above ? What representative s o f

th e regulate dcommunity , includin g th e smal l busines s community , ha s EP A bee ni ntouc hwithregardin g th e rul e (e.g., wha t trad e associations , individual companies , etc.) ? What sort s o f outreach/dialogu e (suc ha s any meetings , briefings , discussions , summaries , etc. ) ha s th e Agenc y ha dwithth e industry regardin g th e OLD rule ? Whe ndi dthes e occur ? (Th e Ai r Toxic s Websit e for

thi s rul e doesn' t

see mt o provid e muc hinformatio nabou t any o f this. ) I naddition , I amcurrentl y reviewin g th e OLD MAC T floor databas e (o nM S Access) whic h yo u provide dt o u s recently . Th e databas e ha s alo t o f informatio ni nit , bu t

ar e ther e any narrative/tabular/spreadshee t summaries o f

th e dat ai nth e database , beyon dwhat I'v e see ni nth e EI Aan dTS D you'v e provide dus ? Has th e Agenc y looke dseparatel y a t th e nature/characteristic s o f co-located

versu s standalone facilities , eithe r o f thos e i nth e databas e or

otherwise ? Hav e any analyse s bee ndon e t o compar e the m(suc ha s thei r sizes , emissions , throughput , any existin g contro l approaches , numbe r o f smal l businesses , etc.) , an dt o identif y th e "floors " for

eac hcategory (i.e., o f

co locate dversu s standalon e facilities) ? Pleas e cal l i f

ther e are any questions . I look forwardt o hearin g fromyo u soon . Thank s for you r help . Best regards, Jon Jon Pawlow Jonatha n RPawlow , Esq .



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kevin.bromberg@sba.go v 08/08/200 1 02:1 3 P M To:Jonathan.Pawlow@sba.gov , Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc:Bryon_ P ._Allen@omb.eop.go v Subject:RE : ** * OL D MAC TRul e


### Martha , I hav e tw o quick

additiona l question s fo

r EPA . Doe s the scope of

thi s rul e include manufacturing facilitie s tha t have on-sit

e storage facilities , an

dnot jus t "distributors " i nthe norma l sens e of the word ? (inothe

r words , lik e Do w Chemical) ? I

f yes , ar e thes e sam

e unit s alread y covered(or

going to b e covered) by othe r MAC T standards ?

Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/20/200 1 03:5 6 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc:jonathan.pawlow@sba.gov , kevin.bromberg@sba.gov , Ke n Hustvedt/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A Subject : Re : OL D meetin g

Martha
Th e meetin g wil l b e hel d i n th e Wils6 n Roo mo f th e Whit e Hous e Conferenc e Center . Th e Conferenc e Cente r i s locate d o n Jackso n Place , whic h form s th e wester n boundar yo f Lafayett e Park , directl ybehin d th e Ne wExecutiv e Offic e Building . I f yo u nee d drivin g o r metr o specifi c directions , le t m e know . M yintentio n i s fo r th e meetin g t o consis t o f a n overvie wo f th e OL D rulemakin g an d o f som e discussio n o f specifi c question s tha t I have . I wil l tr yt o provid e th e question s eithe r thi s evenin g o r tomorrow . Thanks , Bryo n Martha
Th e meetin g wil l b e hel d i n th e Wilso n Roo mo f th e Whit e Hous e Conferenc e Center . Th e Conferenc e Cente r i s locate d o n Jackso n Place , whic h form s th e wester n boundar yo f Lafayett e Park , directl ybehin d th e Ne wExecutiv e Offic e Building . I f yo u nee d drivin g o r metr o specifi c directions , le t m e know . M yintentio n i s fo r th e meetin g t o consis t o f a n overvie wo f th e OL D rulemakin g an d o f som e discussio n o f specifi c question s tha t I have . I wil l tr yt o provid e th e question s eithe r thi s evenin g o r tomorrow . Thanks , Bryo n 

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Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/20/200 1 03:5 9 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A ccjonathan.pawlow@sba.gov , kevin.bromberg@sba.gov , Ke n Hustvedt/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A Subject : Re : OL D meetin g Martha
I neglecte d t o mentio n i n m ypreviou s e-mai l tha t the Whit e Hous e Conferenc e Cente r i s no t a security-controlle d facility , s o I d o no t nee d an yinformatio n on the attendee s fo r securit ypurposes . Thanks ' again , Bryo n
Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/21/200 1 05:4 2 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : Subject:RE : ** * OL D MAC TRul e
Martha
I n additio n t o whateve r briefing EP Awil l giv e regarding th e OL D NESHAP on Friday , I woul d lik e t o touc h on the followin g issues :

- Th e treatmen t o f loading rack s i n thi s rule . I thin k I mentione d earlie r tha t I hav e som

e concern s abou t the possibl e unintende d consequence s on businesse s decision s a s t o howt o utiliz e thei r loadin g rack s tha t coul d resul t fro

mutilizing the position-as-sourc e approac h currentl yproposed . I woul d lik e t o explor e the possibilit yo f setting a contro l leve l fo r the entir e systeman

d the n allowin

g averaging t o achieve tha t contro l leve l i n orde r t o preserv e flexibilit ywhil e eliminating the possibilit yo f behaviora l distortions . I woul d als o lik e t o discus s ho wth e two approache s (position-as-sourc e o r system-as-source ) reflec t the treatmen t o f transfe r rack s i n othe r NESHAP .

- I believ e Joh

n Pawlowo f SB

Aha s expresse d som e concern s abou t the cos t estimate s fo r variou s contro l devices , particularl yflares , use d i n th e economi c impac t analysis . I woul d lik e t o discus s way s t o evaluat e th e accurac yo f thes e estimate s includin g th e possibl e nee d t o contac t a few vendors . I woul d als o lik e t o discus s wha t expense s relate d t o the installatio n an

d operatio n o f a flar e (ducting , venting , fue l feed lines ) wer e include d i n the estimate s an d wha t expense s ough t t o b e include d i n an yresearc h t o refin e thos e estimates . I a mi n the proces s o f lookin g a t the databas e tha t you provide d an d may have anothe r questio n o r tw o base d upo n tha t data . I wil l tr yt o ge t thos e question s t o yo u tomorrows o tha t yo u have tim e t o prepar e fo r discussion . Thanks , Bryo n 

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Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/22/200 1 12:1 5 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPAAJS@EP A cc : Subject:Re: 8/24/0 1 OL D Meetin g
Martha
Okay , we'l l handl e thi s a s a conferenc e cal l then . Thanks , Bryo n
Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/30/200 1 05:3 6 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : Subject:OL D tex t edit s Martha
I hav e attache d a documen t wit h som e suggeste d edit s t o th e OL D preambl e text . Al l o f thes e ar e change s o f phrasing t o a conditiona l tens e i n orde r t o ensur e tha t folk s understan d tha t thi s i s a propose d rule . Al l change s ar e i n red , wit h existing languag e struck-throug h an d ne wlanguag e i n re d text . I f y'al l have an yquestion s abou t thes e propose d changes , pleas e le t me know . Also , d o yo u hav e an ysor t o f ET

Aon the variou s follow-up s fro mour conferenc e cal l las t week ? Thanks , Bryo n Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 08/30/200 1 05:3 7 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : SubjectOl d tex t edit s

(See attache d file : OLDPreambleAndRule-OMBtextedits.wpd ) Martha
Obviously , I faile d t o attac h the documen t t o m ypreviou s e-mail . Her e i t is . Thanks , Bryo n OLDPreambleAndRule-OMBtextedits.w i 

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Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 09/12/200 1 01:3 3 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : Subject:Remainin g OL D inf o
Martha
I'l l understand i f i n the weirdnes s h e hasn' t gotte n i t don e yet , bu t I wa s jus t wondering i f yo u coul d chec k the statu s o f tha t sensitivit yanalysi s o n th e OL D fo r me . Thanks , Bryo n
Bryon_P._Allen@omb.eop.go v 09/17/200 1 01:0 2 P M To:Marth a Smith/RTP/USEPA/US@EP A cc : SubjectRe : OL D preambl e an d rul e

Martha
Okay , thanks . I go t the sensitivit yanalysi s fro mLarr ya fewminute s ago . Onc e I'v

e had a chanc e t o look a t it , I'l l give yo u the fina l word . Thanks , Bryo n



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