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. 20005-370 1 www.nealrgross.co mAPPEARANCE S O nBehal f o f th e Agency : KAT E BARBER , ESQ . Counse l fo r th e FAA , Grea t Lake s Regio n 2 3 0 0 E . Devo nAvenu e De s Plaines , Illinoi s 6001 8

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. 20005-370 1 www.nealrgross.co mINDE X WITNES S DIREC T CROS S REDIREC T RECROS S Jennife r Rui z Edwar dJ . Roone y2 5 EXHIBI T N O DESCRIPTIO N MAR K REC D

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 P R O C E E D I NGS (9:0 0 a.m. ) ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Goo d morning . MS . BARBER : You r Honor , th e Respondent' s no t her e

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , they'r e you r witnesses ?

MS . BARBER : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , wel l the nle t m e d o this . D o yo u anticipat e hi m showin g u p o r d o yo u know ?

MS . BARBER : I hav e n o ide a t o b e hones t ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : On e o f thos e case s

MS . BARBER : Yes , I calle dhi ma wee k o r tw o ag o t o se e i f h e wa s goin g t o respon dt o mydiscover ybefor e I di da motio n t o compel . H e sai dh e wa s goin g t o an dtha t h e woul db e her e so . I haven' t hear dfro mhim .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , let' s

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 se e ho wlon g i t takes . Wha t I'l l d o i s i f h e

come s in , wil l yo u com e i nan d ge t me . Reporter ? Okay , yo u com e i nan d ge t m e i f h e get s here . (Of f th e record. )

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Thi s i s th e cas e o f th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n versu s Rodd yL . Cox , DM S Docke t No . 2010-0623 . Counsel , woul d yo u identif yyoursel f fo r th e recor dplease ?

MS . BARBER : You r Honor , m ynam e i s Kat e Barber , K-a-t- e B-a-r-b-e-r , an d I represen t th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministration .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Le t th e recor dreflec t tha t i t i s te nminute s o f 10:00 . Accordin g t o th e hearin g notice , thi s cas e wa s se t fo r hearin g fo r Februar y1 , 2 an d 3 t o commenc e a t 9:0 0 o'clock . I don' t remembe r th e exac t dat e tha t th e hearin g notic e wa s publishe d bu t i t wa s i nNovember . Giv e m e jus t a second . Yes , th e hearin g notic e woul dhav e bee npublishe do no r abou t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Novembe r 3r do f 2010 . I jus t go t of f th e phon e wit hm y offic e an dth e offic e ha s hear dnothin g fro m Mr . Cox . Ms . Barber , hav e yo u hear d anythin g fro mMr . Co xtoday ?

MS . BARBER : No t today . You r Honor . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Al l right , wel l ther e ar e n o message s i nth e offic e i n Washington , D.C , whil e they'r e callin g fo r sno wtoday , certainly , I alway s wonde r whe nI hea r noise s i nth e hall . D o yo u wan t t o chec k t o se e what' s goin g on ? Okay , nobody .

Al l right , s o i t i s te nminute s o f 10:00 . It' s 5 0 minute s afte r th e tim e schedule dt o commenc e th e hearing . Ms . Barber , yo u indicate dt o m e tha t yo u currentl y hav e thre e witnesse s here ?

MS . BARBER : Tw o witnesses . You r Honor
. ADMIN , JUDG EGOODWIN : Tw o

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 witnesse s ar e here . Th e Court' s read yt o

proceed . What' s you r pleasure , Ms . Barber ?

MS . BARBER : You r Honor , w e wis h t o proceed ,ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Pardo nme ?

MS . BARBER : W e wis ht o proceed . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Al l right , an dwha t d o yo u wan t t o do ?

MS . BARBER : W e ca ncal l ou r firs t witness . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay .

MS . BARBER : Th e FAAcall s Mis s Jennife r Ruiz .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : I alway s hav e t o loo k aroun dt o figur e ou t wher e you'r e goin g t o pu t th e witnesses .

Tak e a seat . Stan d an drais e you r righ t hand . JENNIFE RRUIZ , calle da s a witnes s herein , havin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , wa s examine d an d testifie da s

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 follows : ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Stat e you r

nam e fo r th e recor d an d spel l you r firs t an d las t name . TH E WITNESS : Jennife r Ruiz , J-e
n-n-i-f-e- r R-u-i-z .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : R-u-i-d ? TH E WITNESS : i-z . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . TH E WITNESS : Zebra . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An dM s Barber , on e o f th e admonition s I mak e t o bot h side s i s durin g th e cours e o f th e hearing , I don' t wan t an ypersona l informatio nfro m eithe r sid e i nth e record . S o whe nwitnesse s testify , the yshoul dgiv e thei r busines s address , busines s phon e numbers . I f you'v e go t an ydocument s tha t sho wpersona l identifyin g information , fo r instance , date s o f birth , hom e addresses , hom e phon e number s an dthi s i s fo r bot hsides , I' das k yo u t o redac t it . An dI alway s brin g a permanen t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 blac k magi c marker . MS . BARBER : Okay . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : A s you'r e wel l awar e bu t th e witnesse s ma yno t b e aware , everythin g tha t w e d o i s ultimatel ypublishe d
o nth e internet . An d i ntoday' s age , I jus t don' t fee l comfortabl e puttin g al l thi s an d tha t include s th e transcrip t an d everythin g else . Witnes s woul dyo u - - DIREC T EXAMINATION : B YMS . BARBER : Q Ms . Ruiz , wher e ar e yo u currentl y employed ? AA t AirTra nAirways . Q An d ho wlon g hav e yo u worke d there ? ASi xyears . Q An d wha t ar e you r dutie s there ? AI' ma fligh t attendan t ther e an d
ou r dutie s i s t o insur e tha t th e aircraf t i s prepare dfo r flight . W e chec k th e securit yo f th e aircraf t an dw e chec k ou r emergenc y

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o r w e wer e walkin g pas t 17 , an dMr . Co xtappe d

m ybotto man dsai d ca nI hav e a coke ? An dI said , yes , jus t don' t touc hm ybut t nex t time . An dw e stoppe dtw o row s u p a t Ro w15 , h e wa s i nRo w17 . An d whe nI wen t bac k I said , no w wha t woul d yo u like ? H e said , I don' t wan t anythin g yo u have . You'r e a nidiot . You'r e a fuckin ' idiot . Q An d the nwha t happene d afte r h e sai dthat ? Well , wha t wa s hi s demeano r whe n h e sai d tha t t o yo u an duse dtha t expletive ? AH e wa s abrasiv e an d ver yagitated . Q An dthe nwha t di d yo u say ? AI onl ysai don e word . I sai d sir , an dbefor e I coul d finis hm ystatement , h e starte dsayin g othe r obscenitie s a t whic hI coul dno t remembe r becaus e I becam e frightene d
an dm yhearin g wen t kin d of , I don' t remembe r wha t h e said , bu t I kno wh e wa s goin g o nan d
o nan dcallin g m e a nidio t an d saying , yo u

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 don' t kno wth e differenc e betwee nyou r sid e

an dyou r ass . Q Wa s ther e anothe r fligh t attendan t ther e durin g thi s occurrence ? AYes , w e hav e tw o fligh t attendant s o nth e cart . W e wor k eac hsid e o f th e cart . I wa s o nth e bac k en d o f th e car t wher e Mr . Co xwa s righ t behin d me . An d the , I aske d th e othe r fligh t attendan t name dEri c McCulley , I said , di dyo u hea r this ? An d h e said , yes . Well , he' s listenin g t o everything . Q S o wher e wa s Mr . Co xsitting , wha t
ro wwa s that ? A17C . Q An d the nwher e wa s th e car t positioned ? A15 . Q An dthe nwher e wer e you ? AI wa s i nbetwee n1 5 an d1 7 s o I
wa s i nclos e proximit yt o him . Q Wer e yo u i nbetwee nth e car t an d Mr . Cox ?

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Q A Ye s An d wher e wa s Mr . McCulley ? He' s a t Ro w1 4 Yes , becaus e it's , well , w e par k i nbetwee nrow s s o i f I' m a t 15 , 14 , s o he' s a t 13 , o r 1 2

th e cart ? An d wa s h e o nth e othe r sid e o f

AYes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Woul dyo u spel l Mr . McCulley' s name , please ?

TH E WITNESS : E-r-i- c M- c - - ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Star t ove r again . TH E WITNESS : E-r-i- c - -

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : C-r-i-c . TH E WITNESS : No , E-r . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Oh , I' m sorry , al l right .

TH E WITNESS : M-c-c-u-1-l-e-y . ADMIN
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EGOODWIN : An dwha t typ eo f aircraf t

wer eyo uon ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 TH E WITNESS : W e wer e o nth e

Boein g 737 , 70 0 Series .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . B YMS . BARBER : Q An d the na s yo u wer e standin g there , di dMr . Co xg o on ? AYes , h e did . Q Now , I wan t yo u t o verbati msa y wha t h e said . I kno wit' s uncomfortabl e i n th e Cour t o f la wt o sa ycus s words , bu t I thin k it' s importan t t o kno wexactl ywha t h e di dsay . S o pardo nhe r French , You r Honor , bu t the nwha t di dh e say ? A Okay , h e continue dsayin g you'r e
a nidiot . You'r e a fuckin ' idiot . Yo u don' t kno wth e differenc e betwee nyou r sid e an dyou r ass . An dthe nh e continue do nwhic hI d o no t remembe r an d the nh e go t u p an d shouted , th e reaso nwh yyo u don' t kno wth e differenc e i s becaus e you r as s i s s o fuckin ' big . Q An d the nwha t di dh e do ? A 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wa s sayin g othe r obscenities .

Q Wha t di d th e passenger s aroun d th e area , wha t di dthe yloo k like ? AThe ywer e stunne d an dstartled . Q Di d an yo f the msa yanythin g t o you ? AYes , abou t whe nthe ywer e goin g t o th e restroo mbecaus e I went , w e ende dservic e ther e immediatel yan d w e wer e n o longe r abl e t o continu e an yo f ou r duties . W e wen t u p an d
som e o f th e passengers , yo u know , cam e u p an d trie d t o consol e m e an d they'r e lik e I can' t believ e tha t h e sai d al l that . I f yo u nee d
us , yo u know , jus t le t u s know . Q Ho wdi d thi s violen t reactio nmak e yo u feel ? AIntimidated . Q An d the nwha t di d yo u d o righ t afte r thi s occurred ? AW e jus t parked , w e jus t pu t the , w e wen t u p t o th e fron t immediatel yan dI calle dth e Captai nan d I le t hi mkno wtha t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ther e wa s a situatio ni nth e bac k becaus e

that' s wha t we'r e require d t o do . We'r e constantl ybein g awar e o f smell s an d situation s an danythin g that' s ou t o f th e ordinary , w e ar e suppose d t o infor mth e Captain . S o I informe dth e Captai nan d I le t hi mkno wtha t ther e i s a passenge r wh o i s bein g threatenin g an dhe' s screamin g obscenitie s i nfron t o f al l th e passenger s an d h e sai d okay . S o h e jus t tol d u s tha t t o han g on , h e wa s goin g t o call , I think , SO C o r somebod ytoo .

An ds o I jus t le t hi mkno wan d I staye du p front . Afte r that , I didn' t g o bac k t o th e cabin .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wha t wa s you r positio no nth e aircraft ? Wer e yo u th e A , B o r C attendant ?

TH E WITNES S wa s th e attendan t whic hmean s I wa s workin g i nth e back ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Right . TH E WITNESS : So , an dbecaus e I' m workin g i nth e back , I' mth e on e wh o i s constantl yi nth e cabin .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Right . TH E WITNESS : An da t thi s point , I change dpositions .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : With ? TH E WITNESS : Wit hEri c McCulley . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An d wha t
wa s hi s position ?

TH E WITNES S : H e wa s th e B positio nan dh e wa s u p fron t an d s o I didn' t
wan t t o d o anymor e dutie s s o th e othe r fligh t attendant s - -

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : S o th e C attendan t generall ywork s o n737 , work s th e bac k en do f th e aircraft ?

TH E WITNESS : Um-hm , ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An d i n conjunctio nwit hth e B attendant , doe s th e servic e i nthe , whateve r they'r e callin g i t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 now , coach , economy ? TH E WITNESS : Mai ncabin , ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Mai ncabin , Aattendan t generall ywork s forwar d i nfirs t class ? TH E WITNESS : Um-hum , um-hum .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An d you r configuratio no nth e 737 , 70 0 i s thre e an d thre e abreas t i nmai ncabin ?

TH E WITNESS : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Thre e o n bot hsides ?

exit ? TH E WITNESS : Ye s

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An d Where' s

TH E WITNESS : Exi t i s 18 , ro w18 . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : S o h e i s jus t i nfron t o f th e exi t row ?

TH E WITNESS : Yes , sir . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Al l right . TH E WITNESS : An d anothe r reason , h e storme dof f t o th e bac k an d h e staye du p

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 there . W e have , th e wa you r airplan e i s

configured , w e hav e a lo t o f spac e bac k there . An d- - ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN ; I s th e galle yi nth e back ?

TH E WITNESS : Th e galle yi s no t i n th e back . W e d o no t hav e a galle yi nth e back . S o ho wit' s configure di s there' s a lo t
o f standin g roo mther e whic hFAArequire s no w tha t nobod yb e congregate d i nth e front . Bu t h e wa s i nth e bac k during , h e storme dof f t o th e bac k an d w e don' t kno wthi s fo r sure , bu t ther e wa s tras heverywher e s o w e didn' t se e hi mtras hit . Bu t w e coul d onl yassum e tha t i t wa s trashed .

An di f h e wa s bac k ther e an dI woul db e bac k ther e b ymyself , I wasn' t willin g t o stan d bac k ther e b ymysel f fo r th e res t o f th e fligh t becaus e ther e ar e tw o lavatories .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u hav e a galle yi nth e aircraft ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 TH E WITNESS : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : I s i t i n firs t class ?

TH E WITNESS : I t i s i nth e forward , it' s i nfron t o f firs t class , yes .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , an d it' s u p nea r th e tw o exi t doors ?

TH E WITNESS : Right . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : So , goin g fron t t o rear , yo u go t th e exi t doors , galley , firs t class , main , n o galle yi nth e af t o f th e aircraft , bu t yo u hav e tw o lavatorie s bac k there . TH E WITNESS : Yes , sir .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : S o wher e th e galle ywoul d normall yb e o nsom e aircraf t i s jus t a larg e ope narea ?

TH E WITNESS : Absolutely , yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wit htw o exi t doors ?TH E WITNESS : Yes .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An dwha t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 you'r e sayin g i s whe nh e ha dhi s discussio n

wit hyou , h e storme dof f t o th e rea r o f th e aircraft ? TH E WITNESS : Ye s

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An dth e proble mwa s a t tha t tim e you'r e afte r th e cart ? TH E WITNESS : Yes .

ADMIN , JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr , McCulle yi s forwar d o f th e cart ?

TH E WITNESS : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : S o fo r Mr . McCulle yt o ge t t o th e bac k o f th e aircraft , he' s go t t o figur e ou t som e wa yt o ge t aroun d th e cart ? TH E WITNESS : Yes .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , g o ahead , Ms . Barber . B YMS . BARBER : Q So , durin g th e flight , di d yo u switc hposition s wit hsom e o f th e othe r fligh t attendants ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AUm-hum .

Q Ho wdi d tha t occur ? AWhe nw e go t t o th e fron t o f th e aircraft , I said , I sai d I can' t g o bac k there . I' mno t goin g bac k there . S o w e staye du p fron t unti l w e figure dou t wha t ou r pla nwa s an dw e kne wtha t th e lea dfligh t attendant , sh e wa s no t directl yinvolved . Sh e wa s o naler t becaus e o f wha t happene d an d he r dutie s wer e multiplie d because , a t tha t point , I wasn' t doin g anythin g else .

S o sh e wen t bac k an ddi dtras han d Eri c wen t bac k t o th e back , becaus e w e stil l ha dt o tr yt o monito r our , I mean , t o se e ho w ou r othe r passenger s wer e doing . S o h e wen t bac k t o th e bac k an d Mr . Co xwa s stil l standin g bac k there . An d I fel t lik e h e wa s almos t waitin g o r h e wa s waitin g fo r somebod y t o sa ysomethin g t o hi mor , I mean , confrontation . Q An d di dh e loo k an ycertai nwa y toward s yo u o r th e othe r fligh t attendants ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 hav e responsibilitie s i nth e cabin ? TH E WITNESS : Right . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Di dyo u switch , wha t woul dnormall yb e you r responsibilitie s a s a C attendan t i nfinal ?

TH E WITNESS : Th e B attendan t o r th e C ? ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN :

TH E WITNESS : Th e C , durin g arriva l chec k o r jus t throughou t th e flight ?

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Arriva l check . TH E WITNESS : Arriva l check , w e woul dtak e tras han d w e woul d mak e sur e tha t al l th e passenger s wer e i ncomplianc e befor e landing . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complianc e being ? TH E WITNESS : Bein g bag s ar e stowed . Th e electroni c device s ar e turne d off . Tra ytable s ar e u p an d sea t back s ar e u p an dthat' s everything .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , yo u

wer e no t abl e t o d o thos e dutie s whic hwer e you r responsibilit ya s a C attendanc e o ntha t flight , i s tha t right ?

TH E WITNESS : Yes , sir , an deve n a s a B attendant , I di dno t d o it .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : So , yo u weren' t abl e t o d o you r B attendan t duties ?

TH E WITNESS : No . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Now , th e B attendan t dutie s woul db e th e sam e dutie s jus t i na differen t par t o f th e aircraft ?

TH E WITNESS : Right , I di dno t
wan t t o wal k dow nth e aisle .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWI N Whos e responsibilit yi s i t t o monito r th e exi t row , th e B o r th e C attendant ?

TH E WITNESS : Th e C . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . B YMS . BARBER : Q Wh ywer e yo u unabl e t o perfor m you r duties ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A I wa s afrai do f a confrontatio n

wit hMr . Co xo r tha t h e woul d sa ysomethin g else . Q An dwha t happene d whe nth e plan e landed ? AEverybod ywa s tol d t o remai n seated . The yopene dth e doo r an dth e Milwauke e Polic e wer e ther e an dthe yaske d m e wha t happene d an dI gav e the mm ywritte n statement . An d the ysaid , d o yo u wan t t o ge t of f th e aircraf t befor e w e remov e hi man d I sai dyes , I don' t wan t t o b e i nan yview . I don' t wan t hi mt o se e m e o r I don' t wan t t o b e i nhi s view . Q Wh o calle dth e authorities ? ATh e Captain . Q Di d yo u hav e a nopportunit yt o mak e a writte nstatement ? AYes . Q An dwhe ndi dyo u mak e thi s writte n statemen t i nregard s t o thi s incident ? AI mad e i t prio r t o landin g a s I

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wa s i nth e front . Th e Captai nwante d m e t o

writ e dow neverythin g an dge t hi s sea t numbe r an deverythin g tha t happene d s o I coul dpas s i t o nt o th e authorities .

MS . BARBER : An d ma yI approach , You r Honor ?

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sure . B YMS . BARBER : Q I' mshowin g yo u what' s bee n previousl ymarke d a s Exhibi t C-1 ?

(Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t No . 1 wa s marke dfo r identification. ) AUm-hUm . Q D o yo u recogniz e thi s document ? AYes . Q Wha t i s it ? AI t i s mywritte nstatemen t tha t I gav e t o th e Milwauke e Police . Q An di s tha t a fai r an daccurat e depictio no f th e statemen t tha t yo u mad e o n Jul y26t ho f 2009 ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AYes . MS . BARBER : I' das k tha t mov e i t int o evidence . You r Honor .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Hearin g n o objection . Complainant' s 1 fo r identificatio n i s receive di nevidenc e a s Complainant' s 1 . D o yo u wan t t o pas s th e origina l u p t o th e Court ? (Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t

No . 1 wa s receive d int o evidence. ) MS . BARBER : I' mredactin g he r cel l phon e numbe r whic hi s o nthere .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes , okay , wel l I go t a bi g blac k magi c marke r s o w e ca n tak e car e o f that . Thanks . B YMS . BARBER : Q Wha t di d yo u d o afte r yo u gav e you r writte nstatement ? AI went , the ywalke dm e al l th e wa y
u p t o th e termina l an d I staye d ou t o f sigh t unti l Mr . Co xwa s remove dan di nth e ca r an d bein g drive nawa ybefor e I wa s allowe dt o ge t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 bac k ont o th e aircraft .

Q Ho wdi d thi s inciden t affec t you ? AI t affecte d m e mentally . I wa s ou t o f wor k fo r a mont hafter . I ha dt o tak e a medica l leave . I didn' t d o an ythre e da y trip s fo r a yea r afte r that . Q Wh ywer e yo u unabl e t o d o an y thre e da ytrips ? AI wa s uncomfort , becaus e usuall y ou r thre e da ytrip s incorporat e a lo t o f lon g haul s an dI wa s uncomfortabl e wit hgoin g anythin g longe r tha na nhou r an d a hal f o r somethin g tha t was , anythin g tha t wasn' t quick , I wasn' t comfortabl e wit hdoing . Q Wh ywer e yo u uncomfortable ? AI fel t tha t o nlon g flight s tha t th e chance s o f havin g som e typ e o f confrontatio nincrease s an d I jus t didn' t wan t t o b e o nth e airplan e tha t lon g anymore .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Bu t yo u sai dyo u were , let' s g o back . Afte r th e incident , yo u sai dyo u wer e of f work ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 TH E WITNESS : Um-hUm . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wer e yo u completel yof f wor k fo r som e perio d o f time ?

TH E WITNESS : I don' t understand , wha t d o yo u mean ?

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , di d yo u no t wor k a t al l fo r a perio do f time ?

TH E WITNESS : Yes , fo r exactl yon e month . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , an d the nafte r a month , yo u di d what ?

TH E WITNESS : I did , there' s thes e thing s tha t w e cal l stand-up s an d it' s basicall yth e leas t amoun t o f tim e yo u ca nb e a t wor k legall y- -

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Right . TH E WITNESS : --a s fa r a s hour s goe s an d yo u wor k th e las t fligh t ou t whic hi s typicall yth e lightes t flight .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Right . TH E WITNESS : An d the nyo u wor k th e firs t fligh t i nwhic hi s typicall yth e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 lightes t fligh t a s wel l an dit' s onl ytw o

legs . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Wher e ar e yo u hom e based ?

TH E WITNESS : Atlanta . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : S o yo u wer e makin g a le g ou t an d a le g back ?

TH E WITNESS : Um-hUm . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An dyo u di d tha t fo r ho wlong ?

TH E WITNESS : Ayear , fo r fe w more , te nmonths .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , an d the nyo u returne dt o ful l duties ?

TH E WITNESS : I wa s abl e t o retur n t o ful l duties , yes .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . B YMS . BARBER : Q Wa s th e reaso ntha t yo u ha d t o tak e tim e of f 

### becaus eo f

thi s incident ? A 

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 M S . BARBER :

questions . You r Honor , I hav e n o furthe r

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : You'r e excused . I' mgoin g t o as k yo u no t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing . Yo u ca nremai ni n th e courtroo mi f yo u want .

TH E WITNESS : Than k you . (Witnes s excused. ) ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Cal l you r nex t witness .

MS . BARBER : Th e Administrato r call s Mr . E dRooney .

EDWAR D J . ROONEY , calle da s a witnes s herein , havin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn , wa s examine d an d testifie da s follows : ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Pleas e b e seated . Stat e you r nam e fo r recor d an d spel l you r firs t an dlas t name .

TH E WITNESS : Edwar d J . Rooney , E
d-w-a-r-d , Roone yi s R-o-o-n-e-y .



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Counsel ?

DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMS . BARBER : Q Mr . Rooney , wher e ar e yo u currentl yemployed ? AI' mth e Assistan t Federa l Securit y Directo r fo r La wEnforcemen t fo r th e Transportatio nSecurit yAdministratio nher e i n Milwaukee . Q An dwha t d o yo u d o fo r TSA ? AI d o a numbe r o f things , bu t I' m th e la wenforcemen t representativ e fo r TS A coverin g th e Stat e o f Wisconsin . M ymai nla w enforcemen t functio ni s liaiso nwit hth e differen t la wenforcemen t agencie s tha t serv e a t th e airports . I' mals o a GS181 1 crimina l investigator . I d o crimina l investigation s an dhave , yo u know , mad e arrest s i ncase s simila r t o th e on e befor e thi s Court . Q An dwha t typ e o f trainin g di dyo u receiv e t o com e i nyou r position ? ATh e prerequisit e fo r th e positio n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wa s t o hav e attende d th e basi c crimina l

investigato r trainin g cours e a t th e Federa l La wEnforcemen t Trainin g Center . I di dtha t i nconnectio nwit hmypreviou s career . I' m retire dfro m

th e Unite d State s Secre t Service . An dthe nwhe nI transferre dthere , cam e ove r t o TSA , the nthe ysen t m e t o a nadditiona l tw o wee k trainin g progra mmor e o r les s t o ge t th e nuance s o f th e ne wagency . Q Wer e yo u workin g fo r TS Ao nJul y 26t ho f 2009 ? A Yes , I was . Q An daroun d 165 5 hour s wer e yo u notifie do f a nAirTra nfligh t wit ha nunrul y passenger ? A Ye s Q An dwha t happened ? AWell , I wa s notifie d I believ e b y ou r Coordinatio nCente r o f a nunrul y passenger . An dI believ e they , an dther e wa s a referenc e t o a nassault . Mos t o f th e tim e whe nw e ge t thes e notification s i nthi s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 manner , w e ge t ver ycrypti c information . W e

don' t know , yo u know , exactl ywhat' s goin g o n unti l th e plan e land s an d the yope nth e doo r an dw e ca ntal k fac e t o face .

Thi s wa s a Saturda yo r i t wa s a weekend , I believe , an dI responde d fro mmy residence . Whil e i nrout e t o th e airport , I contacte dou r Transportatio nSecurit y Operation s Cente r t o se e i f the yha d any update dinformation . Th e origina l notificatio nwoul d hav e com e fro mth e pilo t t o thei r airlin e corporate . The nthe ywoul d notif you r Transportatio nSecurit yOperation s Cente r an dfro mthere , the ynotif you r Coordinatio nCenter , wh o i ntur nnotifie dme . An dthe yals o notif yloca l la wenforcemen t o n scen e a t th e airpor t jus t t o giv e yo u a littl e backgroun d o nho wth e whol e notificatio n proces s works .

A t anyrate , sinc e I wa s respondin g fro mhome , b yth e tim e I go t t o th e airport , th e plan e wa s alread yo nth e groun d

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 an dMr . Co xwa s alread yi ncustod ybein g

brough t dow nt o th e sheriff' s substatio nso , an dth e fligh t cre wha dalread ydispersed . So , I didn' t eve ng o u p t o th e gat e an d intervie wanybod ya t tha t time .

Upo nm yarriva l a t th e sheriff' s office , on e o f th e deputy' s gav e m e a cop yo f Mis s Ruiz' s statemen t whic hI rea d through . An dw e ha d som e discussio namon g th e deputie s an dmysel f a s t o wha t w e though t th e appropriat e charge s woul d b e an dthe nw e decide dwe'l l g o ahea d an dtr yt o intervie w Mr . Cox . Deput yAmyBurmeiste r rea d hi mhi s Mirand a Right . Actually , a t thi s tim e now , Mr . Co xi s seate di na holdin g cel l an d Deput y Burmeiste r opene d th e cel l doo r an d advise d Mr . Co xo f hi s Mirand a Rights . Ther e wa s anothe r deput ythere , B I Agent , Nat e Way , he' s th e airpor t liaiso nagen t an d myself . W e basicall ywer e standin g jus t insid e hi s cel l doo r an dMr . Co xwa s seate d o na benc ho nthe .



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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u know , insid e th e cell . Afte r advisin g Mr . Co xo f hi s rights , I introduce dmysel f an d th e othe r peopl e presen t an d I explaine d wha t ou r rol e is . I explaine dt o hi mth e potentia l crimina l charge s tha t coul d b e levie dbot hb yth e sheriff' s departmen t o r b yth e Federa l government . Als o explaine d t o hi mcivi l penaltie s tha t coul db e levie d b yeithe r th e TS Ao r th e FAA . An dI aske dhi mi f h e understoo dal l o f tha t an dh e sai dh e did .

I aske dhi mi f h e ha dbee n drinkin g becaus e somewher e alon g th e line , I recal l somebod ythough t tha t tha t migh t hav e bee nwh yh e wa s actin g th e wa yh e wa s o nth e aircraft . An d h e tol d m e h e ha dno t ha dany alcoholi c beverage s eithe r befor e th e fligh t
o r durin g th e flight .

I aske d hi mspecificall yabou t
som e o f th e comment s tha t wer e attribute dt o hi mb yMis s Rui z i nhe r statemen t an dh e admitte dmakin g thos e statements .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 H e said , I aske d hi mi f h e di d

indee dtouc hMis s Rui z o nth e buttock s an dh e sai dtha t h e touche dhe r o nth e hi p wit hhi s glass . I the naske dhi mi f h e mad e al l th e variou s statement s tha t wer e attribute dt o hi m an dh e di dadmi t that . H e di d admi t jumpin g ou t o f hi s sea t an dquot e gettin g int o he r face . Q Okay , s o wha t wa s hi s demeano r lik e whe nyo u wer e interviewin g him ? AHi s demeano r whe nI wa s interviewin g hi mwa s muc hmor e calm . H e was , yo u know , h e wa s upse t bu t no t rowd yo r anything . H e was , yo u know , there' s tw o deputie s an d tw o Federa l agent s standin g i n fron t o f him . H e wasn' t moving . Q S o h e di d admi t t o actuall y touchin g her ? AYes . 

### QOkay , an dh eadmitte dt o usin g al l th eexpletives ? AYes
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Immediatel yafte r everythin g wa s

sai dan ddone , I calle d ou r TSO C bac k an d gav e the ma briefin g ove r th e telephon e a s t o wha t transpired , yo u know , jus t t o updat e them . An dthe nth e nex t morning , TSO C send s bac k a , basicall ya dail ybrie f tha t th e Administrato r see s an d i t contain s a synopsi s o f al l th e incident s tha t happene dove r th e previous , yo u know , 24 , 4 8 hour s dependin g o nwhethe r it' s a weeken do r not .

Th e Pari s repor t rathe r tha n rewritin g th e whol e thing , th e synopsi s fro m th e Administrator' s dail ybrie f ar e copie dan d paste d int o th e Pari s repor t a s fo r th e narrativ e sectio no f th e Pari s repor t an d the n attache dm ystatemen t wit hth e detail s regardin g th e intervie wan d s o forth .

MS . BARBER : Ma yI approach . You r Honor ? ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes . B YMS . BARBER :

Q 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 14 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q

interview ? Okay , wha t happene d afte r th e

ATha t wa s basicall yth e en do f th e interview . The nw e again , w e convene dou t i n th e lobbyther e wit hth e sergean t an dth e othe r deputie s there . An d give nth e natur e o f th e offense , w e decide d tha t th e disorderl y conduc t charg e wa s th e wa yt o g o rathe r tha n takin g thi s a s a Federa l case . I t didn' t appea r tha t egregiou s t o m e a t th e tim e base d
o nth e informatio nw e had . Q An d di dyo u fil l ou t an yreports ? AI did . Q An dwha t wer e they ? AI fille dou t a , I basicall y create dwhat' s calle d a statemen t whic hget s attache dt o a Pari s report . It' s kin do f lik e a paperles s reportin g syste mtha t th e TS A
uses . Th e initia l Pari s repor t get s starte d b ysomebod yi nou r Coordinatio nCenter . An d I als o an dtha t probabl ywa s starte do nth e sam e da yo nth e 2 6t ho f July .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 previousl ymarke da s Exhibi t C-2 . D o yo u

recogniz e th e document ?

(Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t No . 2 wa s marke d fo r identification. ) AYes , thi s i s th e Pari s report . Q I' mnot , excus e me , o nth e secon d pag e durin g th e narrativ e information , i s tha t th e sam e narrativ e tha t yo u drafted ? ANo , thi s i s basically , th e narrativ e information , thi s wa s writte nb y Jonatha nWrigh t a t ou r TSO C an d thi s i s base d
o nm ytelephon e debriefin g afte r th e inciden t
wa s ove r with . Thi s i s th e repor t tha t th e TSO C prepare s fo r th e Administrator' s dail y briefing . Q Yo u recogniz e th e TSOC , Exhibi t C

2 ? 

### AWell , Exhibi t C- 2i s th ePari s report . QRight
. ATh enarrativ ei nthi s Exhibi t C- 2

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 wa s basicall ycopie dan dpaste d fro m th e Administrator' s dail ybrie f tha t cam e ou t th e nex t morning . Q An di s tha t a fai r an daccurat e depictio no f th e Pari s report ? A Yes . Q Tha t wa s create di nregard s t o thi s incident ? AYes . Q Th e Administrato r move s t o ente r i nExhibi t C-2 , You r Honor .

ADMI N JUDG E GOODWI N Complainant' s 2 fo r identificatio ni s receive d int o evidenc e a s Complainant' s 2 .

(Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t No . 2 wa s receive d int o evidence. ) B YMS . BARBER : Q Di dyo u hav e a noccasio ni nyou r investigatio nt o writ e a statemen t i nregard s t o th e intervie wtha t yo u di d wit hRodd yCo x o nJul y26t ho f 2009 ? AYes , I did .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay , an dwha t wa s th e purpos e o f

tha t statement ? AJus t t o recor dth e detail s o f my ow ninvestigatio nan dinvolvemen t i nthi s thin g becaus e lik e I said , thi s Pari s reportin g format , there' s limite droo mfo r puttin g i na narrative , s o t o speak . Wha t I pu t i nm ystatemen t woul dno t hav e fi t i nthi s for mon-line , bu t yo u ca nuploa da s muc ha s yo u wan t an d that' s wha t I did . I type d a separat e statemen t o f m yactivitie s i n Microsof t Wor d an d the nuploade d i t int o th e Pari s repor t a s a nattachment .

An d that' s reflecte d o nth e thir d pag e o f Exhibi t C- 2 wher e i t say s attachment . Statemen t o f AFS D L . E . Rooney .

MS . BARBER : Ma yI approach . You r Honor ? ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes . B YMS . BARBER : 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Statemen t tha t wa s attache d t o th e Pari s

report ? (Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t

No . 3 wa s marke dfo r identification. ) A Yes , i t is . Q An dthi s wa s drafte d b yyou ? AYes . Q An di nthi s statement , yo u describ e th e conversatio ntha t yo u ha dwit h Mr . Cox ? AYes . Q An d it' s als o writte ndow nther e i nth e statemen t tha t h e di d no t disput e an y o f th e allegation s tha t th e fligh t attendan t made ? AThat' s correct . Q I s thi s a fai r an daccurat e depictio no f th e statemen t tha t yo u drafted ? AYes . MS
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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Mis s Ruiz ,

doe s you r cel l phon e numbe r en di n5389 ?

MS . RUIZ : Yes . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , I' m goin g t o redac t th e las t lin e o f th e thir d paragraph . Ther e i s a number , thre e digits , thre e digit s an dfou r digits , an dI' m goin g t o redac t tha t information .

M S . BARBER : Yes , You r Honor , than k you . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Othe r tha n that . Complainant' s 3 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e a s Complainant' s 3 . Unles s yo u wan t tha t o nth e internet ?

(Whereupon , Complainant' s Exhibi t No . 3 wa s receive dint o evidence. ) MS . RUIZ : No , I di d not . Than k yo u ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , I alway s lik e t o accommodat e th e witness . B YMS . BARBER : Q Di d yo u d o an yfollow-u p i n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 regard s t o thes e cases ?

A No t unles s the yg o t o Federa l Cour t i nwhic hcase , yo u know , onc e th e sheriff' s an d9 9 percen t o f th e tim e w e tr yt o resolv e thes e matter s a t th e lowes t leve l possibl e to , yo u know , becaus e I cove r th e whol e Stat e o f Wisconsin . I can' t b e goin g al l ove r t o eigh t differen t countie s t o testif yan d d o th e differen t loca l proceedings . S o w e alway s tr yt o ge t thing s resolve da t th e lowes t possibl e level .

Whe nth e sheriff' s department , well , actuall yth e lowes t possibl e leve l i n thi s cas e coul dhav e bee na count yordinanc e citatio nfo r disorderl yconduct . W e fel t i t
was , yo u know , a littl e bi t wors e tha ntha t
an ds o the ybooke dMr . Co xo na stat e charg e o f disorderl yconduc t base d o nou r consultatio nafte r w e got , yo u know , don e wit h it , witnes s statemen t an dtalkin g t o Mr . Cox . Q Wer e yo u involve d i nth e discussion s an dwha t typ e o f charg e tha t h e

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 yo u know , leavin g hi s sea t an dgettin g int o

Mis s Ruiz' s face . An dth e moral , yo u know , i t almos t constitute dI though t a ninterferenc e wit hth e fligh t crew , but , yo u know , i t wasn' t
som e o f th e thing s tha t Mis s Rui z describe d toda yi nhe r testimon ywa s no t know nt o u s a t th e time . Yo u know , ho wseriousl yi t affecte d he r abilit yt o perfor mhe r duties . Q An dar e yo u talkin g abou t interferenc e wit hth e fligh t cre wa s a Federa l crimina l charge ? A

question s Correc t

MS . BARBE R Okay , n o furthe r

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An yfurthe r witnesses ? Yo u ca nste p down .

(Witnes s excused. ) MS . BARBER : No , You r Honor . Th e Administrato r ha s n o furthe r witnesse s a t thi s time . ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , let' s tak e jus t a coupl e minute s until , it' s onl y

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 shoul db e booke d on ?

AYe s Q Wha t wer e th e reason s tha t h e wa s booke d o nth e stat e charg e o f disorderl y conduct ? AW e jus t fel t tha t hi s actio nwa s a littl e mor e egregiou s tha nwoul djustif yth e count yordinanc e citation . An d anothe r thin g to o is , i f you'r e a Wisconsi nresiden t an d you'r e charge dwit ha count yordinanc e citation , you'r e basicall yjus t issue dth e ticke t an dreleased . W e were , yo u know , a littl e mor e punitiv e by , yo u know , b ybookin g hi mo na stat e charge . H e ha d t o spen da nigh t i nth e count yjai l t o thin k abou t i t befor e h e coul d b e released . Q Ar e yo u familia r wit hwha t th e statut e entail s fo r disorderl yconduc t o r wha t action s di d h e tak e tha t merite d hi mgettin g charge dwit hdisorderl yconduct ? AI t wa s basicall yhi s lou dan d boisterou s behavio r an d gettin g u p int o the ,

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 boardin g th e aircraf t an dbein g operate dunde r

th e appropriat e regulations .

Unde r Titl e 4 9 o f th e U . S . code , Mr . Co xwoul db e subjecte dt o a potentia l fin e o f u p t o $11,000 . Th e Administrato r ha s aske d fo r a fin e o f $1100 . It' s obviousl yu p t o th e discretio no f th e agenc ya s tha t ho wmuc hth e agenc ywant s t o see k a s a civi l penalty . An d th e reques t her e i s consisten t wit hprayer s fo r relie f i nth e past .

However , i f yo u rea dm ydecisions . Mis s Ruiz , you'l l fin dtha t thi s Cour t take s thes e instance s extremel yseriousl yan di nth e pas t I hav e subjecte dRespondent' s t o substantiall ygreate r fine s tha nar e sough t afte r here . I' m

certainl ygoin g t o gran t th e Reques t fo r Relie f wit ha civi l penalt yi nth e amoun t o f $1100 . An d I'l l pu t i t i na writte n decisio nan d I'l l pu t i t o nth e recor dher e tha t give nth e fact s an dallegation s se t fort h i nth e hearin g her e today , ha dth e Agenc y

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minute s now . The nth e Cour t wil l b e back .

(Of f th e record. ) ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An yfurthe r witnesses ? MS . BARBER : No , You r Hono r

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : An yfurthe r testimony ? MS . BARBER : No , You r Honor .

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o nth e da yse t fo r hearin g an dth e Respondent' s stil l no t appeared . Becaus e w e too k testimony , I'l l d o a writte ndecisio n whic hwil l follow .

Mis s Ruiz , th e Cour t take s thes e incidence s ver yseriousl ywit hreview . Th e case s tha t I hav e published , foun dtha t th e Respondent' s charge dwit hSectio n12158 0 o f th e Federa l Aviatio nRegulation s statin g tha t
n o perso nma yassault , tri p an d intimidat e o r interfer e wit ha cre wmembe r i nth e performanc e o f th e cre wmember' s duties ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 decisio nwhic hwa s DMS20050530 , wher e a ver y

nic e ladygo t u p ou t o f he r seat , followe d a fligh t attendan t an dtouche d her . An don e o f th e firs t case s I di d wa s Selznick , bu t tha t won' t d o an ygood , I seale d th e record .

Bu t tak e a loo k a t Conger , I thin k it' s sufficien t t o jus t reiterat e thi s i s extremel yserious . I , fo r one , feel , th e Cour t feel s tha t th e dutie s tha t yo u perform . Mis s Ruiz , ar e extremel yimportan t an d a n integral par t o f keepin g aviatio nsaf e an di n today' s worl dar e eve nmor e importan t tha nI thin k mos t peopl e realize . They'r e no t trifling . You'r e no t a waitress . You'r e no t
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an dvaluabl e jo btha t allow s u s al l t o trave l safel ybot hi nan d ou t o f th e Unite dStates .

Anythin g else ? MS . BARBER : You r Honor , th e FAA woul db e amenabl e t o a highe r fin e i f that' s appropriat eADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , bu t

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 requeste d a greate r fine , I ver ylikel ywoul d

hav e grante dth e request . Bu t again , that' s prosecutoria l discretion . I'v e don e prosecution . I'v e don e defense . I' mno t tryin g t o critiqu e o r admonis ho r anythin g else . It' s u p t o th e Agenc ywha t the ywan t t o seek . Bu t ha dyo u sough t more , I ca nassur e yo u tha t w e woul d hav e give ni t a ver yseriou s consideration .

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u p wit hthi s sor t o f conduct . A s m yfavorit e descriptio nan dI wis hI coul dremembe r wh o th e witnes s wa s describe dyou r dut ya s hurlin g throug hspac e a t 50 0 mile s a nhou r i na meta l tube . Yo u don' t nee dthi s sor t o f distraction . I appreciat e yo u takin g th e tim e t o com e here . I hop e yo u ge t home . I' msur e Ms . Barber' s goin g t o mak e a ma ddas hfo r th e ca r an dtr yt o ge t out .

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thes e instance s ver yseriously . I f the y didn't , yo u wouldn' t b e here . I wouldn' t b e here . An dI thin k yo u shoul dtel l you r colleague s tha t an d yo u shoul dals o tel l you r colleagues , the ydon' t hav e t o pu t u p wit h tha t kin do f behavior .

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- - well , peopl e d o d o u p there . An dI ca n assur e yo u tha t i f Mr . Roone yan d hi s colleague s o r Ms . Barbe r an dthei r colleague s lear no f instance s lik e this , the ywil l dea l wit hthem . The ywon' t alway s ge t t o me .

Bu t thi s i s serious . Thi s behavio r shouldn' t b e condone danyplace , le t alon e i na meta l tub e a t 35,00 0 fee t flyin g throug hspace .

S o again , I than k yo u fo r comin g i nan dtakin g you r tim e t o b e her e i n beautifu l downtow nMilwaukee . An di f there' s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 the nit's , the nyo u ge t int o notice . Th e fin e

you'v e requeste d i s consisten t wit ha lo t o f othe r prayers . I' d jus t say , an dit' s dicta , yo u don' t hav e t o worr yabou t tha t word . Mis s Ruiz . I mean , jus t a s dict a that , I mean , i f yo u loo k at , I' mtryin g t o remembe r som e o f th e othe r case s I did . Ther e wa s Conger . Ther e hav e bee na couple .

MS . BARBER : I'l l loo k the mu p o n th e sno wda ytomorrow .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes . MS . BARBER : It'l l giv e m e som e ligh t reading .

ADMIN . JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , see , I' mgoin g t o b e 6 9 nex t week . S o I ca n legitimatel ysa ytha t I hav e menta l block . I lik e t o tel l mychildre nmybrain' s full , I don' t hav e an yroo mfo r additiona l information .

Yo u know . Mis s Ruiz , th e fac t tha t yo u wer e her e indicate s tha t th e Transportatio nSafet yAdministration , th e

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