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an d LAWRENC E W . BIERLEIN , ESQ , 110 1 30t hStreet , N.W . Suit e 50 0 Washington , D.C . 2000 7 (202 ) 625-835 5 fa x-436 3 ALS O PRESENT ; Kyl e Lomazow , Esq. , FAA



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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G- S 1:3 0 p.m . JUDG E GOODWIN : O nth e record . Thi s i s th e cas e o f Empir e Airlines , Federa l Aviatio nDocke t No . 2009

- 0586 , Civi l Penalt yNo . i s 09 , Novembe r 9 , 2009 . Counsel , wil l yo u identif y yourselves ? MR . MORRIS : Sir , th e FAAwil l b e represente db ymyself , Scot t R . Morris , th e Offic e o f Regional Counsel , Northwes t Mountai n Region , fo r th e FAA , 160 1 Lin dAvenue , S.W. , Renton , Washingto n98057 .

Kyl e Lomazo wwil l als o b e present , FAA . JUDG E GOODWIN : Counsel ?

MS . FELTS : You r Honor , Empir e Airline s wil l b e represente db ymyself , Courtne yFelts , Fed-E xExpress , 3 62 0 Hack s Cros s Road , Buildin g B , 3r dFloor , Memphis , Tennesse e 38125 , an dals o m yco-counsel .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Becaus e it' s a ne w recor dI'l l g o ove r a coupl e o f thing s w e discusse dyesterday .

A s I indicate di npas t cases , Ms . Felts , th e Cour t i s concerne dabout , becaus e everythin g goe s o nth e internet , exhibits , transcrip t an deverythin g else . I' m goin g t o as k bot hcounse l t o mak e sur e tha t on e witnes s testifies , hav e hi mus e th e busines s address , no t you r persona l phon e number , no t thei r persona l addresses .

I as k yo u t o revie wan ypleading s you'v e got , i f there' s an ypersona l informatio nlet' s redac t i t befor e i t become s a par t o f th e record . I'v e go t a blac k fel t ti p magi c marker , permanen t marker , i f w e nee d t o d o so . Al l o f th e pleading s ca nb e foun d i nregulations.go vb ytypin g i neithe r o f th e docke t number s

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Counsel , d o yo u wan t t o mak e a n

opening ? MR . MORRIS : Yes , sir .

Befor e I do , ther e i s a n administeria l matte r I nee dt o correct . Th e Mov e t o Amen dth e complaint , specifically , paragrap hII , No . 1 , shoul dsa yafte r Par t 121 , sa yan d1 3 5 .

JUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u hav e any objection , Ms . Felts ?

MS . FELTS : No , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . I'v e go t a case , I don' t kno wi f yo u remembe r it , Mr . Morris , wher e th e responden t wa s pr o se , an d FAAcounse l sough t t o amen di t t o reduc e th e amoun t o f fin e requeste dan dth e responden t objected , MR . MORRIS : Tha t wa s no t mine , sir . JUDG E GOODWIN : I t wa s Mr , Galencho' s case . Ioverrule dhi s objection

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ver ybrie f opening . JUDG E GOODWIN ; Yes , okay , s o I jus t go t th e complain t up , s o w e ar e amendin g what ? MR . MORRIS : I t wil l b e - - giv e m e
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JUDG E GOODWIN : Right . MR . MORRI S Afte r th e wor dPar t 12 1

13 5 JUDG E GOODWIN : Right .

MR . MORRIS : Addin g th e words , an d So , it' s Part s 12 1 an d13 5 o f th e Operations . JUDG E GOODWIN : So , w e ar e addin g th e word s "andPar t 135. "

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JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes , okay . Opening?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . MORRIS : Sir , wit hthat , th e

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concern s thi s cas e an da nAugus t 22 , 200 7 Specia l Agent , Agen t Stiger , an d hi s supervisor , To mKenny , wer e conductin g a ramp inspectio ndow ni nMedford , Oregon .

A t tha t time , the yobserve dtw o differen t flight s durin g th e operation s o f th e subjec t o f thi s complain t agains t Empir e Air , durin g th e - - prio r t o this , the ygathere dth e appropriat e paperwor k t o determin e wha t wa s suppose dt o b e o nth e aircraft s i nbot h situations . O nth e firs t flight , ther e wa s identifie dhazardou s materia l bein g Clas s A Corrosives . However , accordin g t o th e paperwork , th e hazardou s materia l wa s suppose d t o b e i nPositio n1 , whic hi s i nth e - - basically , th e ai r fram e o f th e aircraft , a s oppose dt o whe nthe yobserve dth e aircraf t land , an ddurin g th e offloadin g they , actually , discovere dtha t th e hazardou s NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Yo u wil l hea r testimon yo f th e importanc e o f that , but , basically , th e allegatio nconcerning th e firs t aircraf t is , th e hazardou s materia l wa s no t i nth e locatio n i t wa s suppose d t o b e o nth e flight , downa t the receiving end o f th e hazardou s material , o r downa t the receiving end o f th e facility .

Th e second fligh t involve s anothe r Empir e Ai r fligh t tha t arrive dfromPortland t o Medford , andi ntha t the informatio nfro m the hazardou s material s document s wa s ther e wa s n o DGaboard , dangerou s goods .

I nthi s case , however , during offloading operations , i t wa s identifie do r brough t t o thei r attentio ntha t ther e wer e two improperl ymarke dshipments , marke dORM-D , withou t shipping paper s tha t ha dbee naccepte d
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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 It' s improper , becaus e i t canno t

g o wit ha nORM- D marking , i t mus t g o b ya n ORM- D ai r marking , an dmus t hav e accompanyin g i t shippin g papers , whic hwa s no t accompanie d i nthi s case .

Furthermore , you'l l hea r testimon y i nthi s cas e concernin g onc e th e container s - - or , excus e me , onc e th e package s wer e opened , i t wa s discovere dtha t i t coul dno t - - i t di d

no t eve nqualif yt o fl yb yair , becaus e o f th e inne r packaging .

Now , th e Agenc yi s no t sayin g tha t Fed-E xshoul dhav e know na s fa r a s th e specific s o f th e inne r packaging , wha t w e ar e saying , though , i s tha t th e ORM- D markin g place dthe m

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An dfinally , yo u wil l hea r testimon yconcernin g th e sanctio ni nthi s NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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th e Administrator ' s Sanctio nGuidance , and , i n fact , w e reques t tha t agains t Empir e Airlines .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Felts , d o yo u wan t t o reserv e o r b e heard ?

MS . FELTS : I hav e a fe wthing s I' dlik e t o briefl ynotice .

JUDG E GOODWIN : G o righ t ahead . MS . FELTS : Than k you , You r Honor . Yo u wil l hea r toda yabou t a matte r involvin g Empir e Airlines , a s Mr . Morri s noted , the yar e a regiona l carg o carrie r headquartere di nIdaho .

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MR . STIGER : M yful l nam e i s Donald , D-O-N-A-L-D , Stiger , S-T-I-G-E-R , WHEREUPON , DONAL D STIGE R
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AM yaviatio nbackground , I wa s a rotar ywin g helicopte r pilo t fo r fiv e year s wit hth e Unite dState s Army . Q Okay , an dwoul dyo u describ e you r hazardou s material s backgroun dan dexperience ? AM yhazardou s material s backgroun d is , I wa s hire do nwit hth e Federa l Aviatio n Administratio na s Hazardou s Materia l Specialis t i nJanuar yo f 1997 . Prio r t o that , I worke da s a Safet yInvestigato r wit hth e Offic e o f Moto r Carriers , Federa l Highwa y Administration , wher e par t o f m yduties , a s wel l a s enforcin g th e Federa l moto r carrie r safet yregulations , I als o enforce dth e hazardou s material s regulations , a s the y pertai nt o groun dtransport . Q An dso , you'v e bee nwit hth e Agenc y1 3 years , jus t ove r 1 3 years ? AJus t ove r 1 3 years , that' s 

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Q Okay . And , wha t ar e you r curren t dutie s an dresponsibilities ? A I' mcurrentl yresponsibl e fo r enforcin g th e hazardou s materia l regulations , a s the ypertai nt o th e shippin g an dtranspor t

o f material s b yai r i nm ygeographica l are a o f responsibility . Q Hav e yo u previousl ytestifie d a s a nexper t i nth e are a o f hazardou s material s regulation s i nai r commerce ? AYes , I have . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I' doffe r Agen t Stige r a s a nexper t i nth e are a o f hazardou s material s regulation s i nai r commerce . JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms . Felts , d o yo u wan t t o voi r dire ?

MS . FELTS : You r Honor , w e woul d hav e th e sam e objectio na s yesterday .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Well , you'v e go t t o remembe r it' s a ne wcase .

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JUDG E GOODWIN : I fin dhi ma s a n exper t i nth e are a tha t yo u proffere dhi mfor .

MR . MORRIS : Than k you . B YMR . MORRIS : Q Agen t Stiger , d o yo u recal l conductin g a rando minspectio no f Empir e Airline s o nAugus t 22 , 2007 ?

Q Yes . Wh ywer e yo u there ? Fo r thei r par t o f routin e inspection s o f ai r carrier s i nth e Medford , Orego narea . Q Okay , i s Medfor dwithi nyou r jurisdictiona l are a o f responsibility ? A Yes , i t i s Q So , yo u woul dg o ther e a s par t o f you r norma l cours e o f you r busines s activities ?

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Q Okay . And , wa s anyon e els e wit h yo u o nthi s particula r inspection ? AA t tha t particula r time , m y supervisor , Thoma s Kenny , wa s als o accompanyin g m e durin g th e inspections . Q Okay , MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I forgo t t o as k th e sequestration s o f witnesses .

JUDG E GOODWIN : D o yo u hav e any objectio nt o sequestration?

MS . FELTS : No , You r Honor , that' s fine . JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . An yo f th e witnesse s tha t ar e potentiall ygoin g t o testif yi nthi s case , I' mgoin g t o as k yo u t o ste p out . There' s a waitin g roo mdow nthere . I f yo u ar e goin g t o b e ou t o f th e area , jus t le t you r counse l kno wi f yo u g o dow nt o th e coffe e sho p o r som e othe r place .

MR . MORRIS : I' msorr yfo r tha t oversight , sir .

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Q D o yo u recogniz e thi s document ? AYes . Thi s i s m ystatement . Q Okay . Doe s thi s - - i s thi s documen t mad e a t o r nea r th e tim e tha t yo u observe dth e activitie s tha t yo u di do nAugus t 22 , 2007 ? AYes . Q And , i s thi s prepare di nth e ordinar ycours e o f you r busines s activitie s whe nyo u conduc t a ninvestigation? AYes , i t is . Q And , i s i t a fair , accurat e representatio no f th e activitie s tha t yo u conducte ddurin g you r investigation ? AYes . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I' doffe r C- l fo r identificatio na s C-l .

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wa s provide dwhe naske dfo r fro mth e Federa l Expres s statio npersonne l i nMedford . Q Okay . Now , thi s concern s Fligh t 8672 , i s tha t correct ? AI t wa s Fligh t 8678-22 .

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loade di no nth e mai ndeck , an di t indicate d tha t th e pod s A , B , C an dD wer e voi do n there . I utilize dtha t informatio nt o determin e i f ther e wa s anyadditiona l hazardou s material s locate di nanyo f th e letter-name dpods , whic hare , actually , locate do nth e botto mo f th e Cessn a 20 8 aircraft . Q Okay , s o thi s tell s yo u tha t there' s no t suppose dt o b e an yHAZMA T i nth e pods , bu t it' s al l i nth e mai n- - AMai ndeck . Q - - mai ndeck . A Correct . Q Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C- 2 fo r identificatio na s C-2 .

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MR . MORRIS : Oh , I' msorry , sir . B YMR . MORRIS : Q Di d yo u observ e th e Empir e ai r fligh t arrive ? AYes , w e did . Q And , tha t was , wa s tha t Empir e Fligh t 8678-22 ?

Q Yes , i t was . Okay . And , i t was , i nfact , tai l numbe r 7 7 8FTE ?

Yes . And , i s thi s aircraf t o nEmpir e Air' s operatio nspecifications ? AYes , i t wa s Q Okay . Wha t di d yo u observ e during th e offloading operation s o f 778FTE ?

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w e aske dfo r it . Q Okay . So , wha t d o yo u mea nb ya po dagain ? Th e lowe r portio no nth e Cessn a 20 8 th e lowe r carg o

Q Okay . AWhic har e separat e fro mth e mai n deck . Q Okay , an dthe nA , B , C an dD pods , portion s o f th e po dit' s segregated ? AEac hpo di s segregated , o f th e one s tha t I'v e seen , yes . Q Okay . Pleas e tur nt o C-3 . (Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Agenc yExhibi t No . C-3. )

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JUDG E GOODWIN : I'l l sustai nit , there' s n o foundation .

B YMR . MORRIS : Q Hav e yo u see nEmpir e operation s a s par t o f you r investigativ e an ddutie s a s a n FAAHazardou s Material s Inspector ? AYes , I have . Q Ar e yo u awar e wha t thei r progra m require s a s fa r a s th e loadin g operation s fo r Empir e Airlines , an dth e requirement s fo r th e pilots ' responsibilitie s durin g loadin g operations ? Ye s Q And , i nyou r observation , i s i t th e norma l cours e tha t th e pilot s ar e responsibl e fo r th e loadin g o f th e aircraft ? The ydon't , necessarily , personall yload , bu t the yhav e oversigh t o f th e loadin g o f th e aircraf t tha t the yar e abou t t o fly ?

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AI was , I' mn o longe r certificated . I was . Q Okay . A t tha t time , wer e yo u awar e o f th e importanc e o f weigh t an d balanc e o nanygive naircraft ? AWeigh t an dbalanc e i s a ver y importan t facto r i ndeterminin g i f th e aircraf t i s airworthy . Q Becaus e wha t happen s i f a n aircraft' s weigh t i s to o fa r af t durin g flying ? ATo o fa r aft , to o fa r forward , o r anywher e outsid e th e fligh t envelope , become s a danger , an dma yno t fly . Q And , i nfact , isn' t i t a pilot' s responsibilit yt o ensur e tha t th e weigh t an d th e cente r o f gravit yi s withi nth e envelop e prio r t o anyflight ?

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th e pilo t prio r t o departur e fro mPortland ? AYes , i t was . Q So , i s tha t a problem ? ANo . Q Okay . Ho wabou t th e paperwor k tha t w e sa wo nExhibi t 2 , i nrelatio nt o th e paperwor k o nExhibi t 3 ? ATher e wa s a discrepancy . Q So ? ASo , wha t happen s is , there' s - - whe nth e informatio no f loadin g o nth e aircraf t wa s changed , therefore , tha t informatio nwa s no t transmitte dt o th e down

lin e station , th e dovm-lin e statio nindicate d tha t anyo f thos e materials , thos e corrosiv e materials , shoul dhav e bee no nth e mai ndec k

o r positio non e o f tha t Cessn a 208 . Q Okay . AAnd , i nreality , i t wa s in , actually . Po dC . Q Okay . So , what' s th e bi g dea l i f

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aircraf t tha nwhat' s reporte ddow nline ? ATh e informatio ni s importan t t o emergenc yresponders , shoul dther e b e any inciden t whil e i nflight , a s wel l a s anyon e wh o woul db e respondin g t o a ninciden t wit h tha t aircraft . Par t o f wha t the ywoul dwan t t o know , whic his , i nfact , wh yHM-206- C wa s publishe da s fina l rule , wa s tha t th e emergenc yresponders , o r respondin g personnel , woul dhav e complete , an daccurate , an dtimel y informatio nof , no t onl ywha t wa s o nboard , wher e it' s o nboard , an danyadditiona l informatio ntha t i s neede dt o en du p bein g abl e t o respon dt o a nemergency . Q Yo u too k on e o f th e question s righ t ou t o f m ymouth , i s wa s HM-206- C base d

o nan yNTS B recommendation s a s a resul t o f accident s o r incidents ? AYes , NTS B recommendation , I believ e i t was , 98-80 , which , actually , wa s a resul t o f fiv e 

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yth e Nationa l Transportatio n Safet yBoar dtha t fro mthos e incident s tha t th e informatio nwa s no t timel yavailabl e t o emergenc yrespons e personnel . Q Okay . And , fo r firs t responders , i s there , i nfact , some hazardou s material s i f yo u pu t wate r o ni t i t doe s ba d things ? AThat' s correct . Alo t o f time s alcoho l woul db e differen t than , say , fo r norma l flammabl e liquid s o nthat , tha t ma y requir e a differen t typ e o f metho d t o figh t the fir e Well , wha t abou t th e issu e well , wai t a minute , the pilo t go t the correc t information , s o can' t th e pilo t jus t handi t t o th e firs t responde r afte r th e crash ? AM yunderstanding is , a s a forme r pilot , i f yo u ar e crashing and yo u hav e th e - - the firs t thing yo u ar e thinking o f i s getting

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yEmpir e t o mee t tha t NOPIC , pilo t notificatio nrequirement . Q Okay . So , basically , th e concer n i nthi s cas e was , h e ha da NOPIC , h e jus t hadn' t communicate dthe chang e i nth e locatio n o f th e hazardou s material s downrange . A Correct , and i nthi s particula r cas e th e aut o DGprintou t tha t wa s provided , whic hi s 3-2 , the remaining page s o nthat , indicate dinitiall ytha t wa s loade d i nthe bulk , bu t h e change di t o nthe feede r aircraf t loadcontro l sheet . So , take ni ntotal , I woul dloo k a t tha t andsay , yes , i t woul d hav e al l the informatio na s the NOPI C o nthere , bu t sinc e theyha d change d the loading o f tha t i n Portland , the down-lin e informatio nwa s incorrec t MR . MORRIS : Okay , You r Honor , I offe r C- 3 fo r identification , including al l

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ATha t i s correct . Q And , wh o place dthos e yello w block s an dth e letter s o r wording s insid e thos e yello wblock s o nthi s photograph ? AI did . Q So , othe r tha nchange , doe s thi s photograp hfairl yan daccuratel yrepresent ? AYes , i t does . Q Okay . And , A , B , C , an dD ar e - - yo u ar e tryin g t o explai nwher e th e po d position s are , an dpositio non e i s wher e th e mai ndec k i s wha t yo u ar e talkin g about ? ATha t i s correct . Q Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C- 4 fo r identificatio na s C-4 .

MS . FELTS : N o objection , JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 4 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e
a s Complainant' s 4 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-4 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q Okay , no wlet' s tal k abou t th e secon dfligh t tha t yo u observe do nAugus t 22 , 2 007 . D o yo u recal l that ? AYes , I do . Q Okay , And , di dyo u observ e th e Empir e fligh t 8677-2 2 arriv e i nMedford , Orego no nAugus t 22nd ? AYes , I did .

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Yes , h e wa s Prio r t o it s arrival , di dyo u acquir e tha t flight' s inboun ddangerou s goo d alert ? AI ntha t particula r case , the y indicate dther e wa s n o dangerou s good s o n board , an dthe yprovide dth e inboun ddangerou s good s aler t wher e the ystate da s such . NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q And , di dyo u retai na cop yo f tha t

document ? Yes , I did ,

Pleas e tur n t o C- 5 fo r identification .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No , C-5. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q D o yo u recogniz e C-5 ? AYes , I do . Q An dagain , lookin g a t th e to p o f C- 5 the yar e talkin g abou t th e fligh t number , th e dat e tha t i t occurred , originatin g fro m Portland , destinatio ni nMedford . Th e equipmen t wa s a 208 , an dth e aircraf t wa s Novembe r 940FTE , i s tha t correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q Okay . And , thi s indicate s tha t there' s n o D Go nboar dabou t on e thir do f th e
wa ydown ? A

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . And , i s Novembe r 940FTE , o n

th e operation s specification s o f Empir e Air ? A Yes , i t is . Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C- 5 fo r identificatio na s C- 5

MS . FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 5 fo r identificatio ni s receive di nevidenc e a s Complainant' s 5

(Whereupon , t h edocumen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-5 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR

. MORRIS I f yo u tur nt o C- 6 fo r identification .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 verificatio no f th e earlie r documen t C-5 ?

AYes , i t is , wit hth e differenc e bein g thi s i s wha t th e pilo t wa s actuall y carryin g wit hhim . Q Okay . An dagain , s o th e pilo t i s als o o f th e understandin g tha t there' s n o hazardou s materia l o nboar dthi s aircraft . AYes . Q Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C- 6 fo r identificatio na s C-6 .

MS . FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 6 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e
a s Complainant' s 6 .

(Whereupon , t h edocumen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-6 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR

. MORRIS : I as k yo u t o tur nt o C- 7 fo r identification .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 (Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-7. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q Wha t ar e thes e documents ? AThes e ar e th e trackin g document s fo r tw o shipments . Q Okay . And , wa s th e shipmen t wit h trackin g numbe r o nth e to p left-han dsid e o f pag e C-l , 731703530562 , aboar dEmpir e Ai r fligh t 8677 ? AYes , i t was , Q Okay , And , doe s thi s dociomen t indicat e tha t thi s shipment , actually , fle w fro mPortlan dt o Medford ? AYes , i t does . Q Okay . And , i s thi s recor d maintaine di nth e ordinar ycours e o f Empire' s activities , o r it s agents ' activities ? ANo t t o m yknowledge . Q Okay . So , wher e di dyo u ge t thi s dociomen t from ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AI go t thi s fro mth e Federa l

Expres s Corporatio nwebsit e tha t track s packages . Q Okay . And , th e reaso nfo r tha t is , i s tha t Empir e Ai r i s wha t w e cal l a feede r fo r Federa l Express? A Ye s Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C-7 , page s on e an dtwo , fo r identification , a s C-7 , page s on e an dtw o

MS , FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 7 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e
a s Complainant' s 7 ,

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Q previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-7 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR, MORRIS : Turnin g t o pag e7- 3 an d7-4 , i s thi s trackin g numbe r als o on eth eshipment s

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 tha t yo u identifie da s comin g of f o f th e

Empir e Ai r fligh t 8677 ? AYes . Q An dagain , doe s thi s demonstrat e tha t thi s shipment , actually , fle wfro m Portland , Orego nt o Medford ? AYes , i t does . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r 7- 3 an d7- 4 fo r identificatio nas , additionally , par t o f C-7 . I thin k you'v e alread yadmitte dit , bu t jus t t o mak e i t clear . JUDG E GOODWIN : The yar e marke da s pag e 3 o f 4 an d4 o f 4 , al l right . I'v e admitte dth e entir e document .

MR . MORRIS : Okay . B YMR . MORRIS : Q And , di dyo u observ e thi s Empir e Ai r fligh t 867 7 arriv e a t Medford ? AYes , I did . Q Wha t di dyo u observe ? AI observe dtha t whe nI arrive dth e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 offloa doperations .

Q Okay . A s par t o f you r inspection , di dyo u tak e photograph s o f thos e operations ? AYes , I did . Q Tur nt o C- 8 fo r identification . (Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-8. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q D o yo u recogniz e thes e fou r photographs ? AYes , I do . Q D o eac ho f thes e fou r photograph s fairl yan daccuratel ydepic t wha t yo u observe d

o nAugus t 22 , 2007 , concernin g Empir e fligh t 8677 ? AYes , the ydo . Q Okay . An dagain , i f yo u loo k a t photograp h8-1 , i s th e tai l numbe r o f thi s aircraf t visibl e o nthi s photograph ? AYes , i t is . QAn dagain , i s 940FT Eo nth eOp

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 spec s o f Empir e Air ?

AYes , i t is . Q Okay . So , othe r tha nthat , wha t i s th e purpos e o f photograp h8-1 ? ATh e purpos e o f photograp h8- 1 wa s t o sho wth e offloadin g o f th e aircraft . Q Okay . And , 8-2 , wha t doe s tha t photograp hrepresent ? ATha t represent s th e tw o shipment s tha t wer e identifie da s bein g offloade dfro m Empir e aircraf t tai l numbe r 940FTE , Q And , what' s th e significanc e o f thes e tw o particula r shipment s tha t wer e offloaded? ATh e tw o particula r shipment s offloade dindicate do nth e marking s nex t t o th e shippin g label s a s consume r commodit yORM

D , whic hi s no t authorize di nai r transportatio na s a hazardou s material . Q Wh yisn' t i t authorized ? AIt' s no t authorize di nth e sens e tha t yo u woul dhav e t o hav e a certificatio nb y NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e shippe r o f a nORM-D-air , a s wel l a s a

shippin g document , t o properl yb e shippe db y ai r a s a consume r commodity . Q Di dyo u as k i f ther e wer e any shippin g paper s tha t accompanie deithe r o f thes e tw o shipments ? AI di dtha t whe nI verifie dwit h th e pilo t i f h e ha dan yshippin g documentations , an dal l h e ha dwa s th e on e documen t tha t indicate dther e wa s n o hazardou s material s o nboard . Q So , ther e wer e n o shippin g paper s tha t accompanie dthes e tw o shipments ? ATher e wa s n o shippin g papers . Q Okay . And , i naddition , i s th e ORM- D markin g a nauthorize dmarkin g fo r ai r transportation ? A No , i t i s not . Q Okay . Now , whe nth e shipmen t - - whe nthi s shipmen t woul dhav e arrive di n Portland , ho wwoul di t hav e bee nmove dfro m th e aircraf t tha t wa s reflecte di nExhibi t C- 7 NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Portlan dt o Medford ? AI nm yobservation s a t Portlan d Internationa l Ai r Fed-E xStation , normall y wha t occur s is , th e mainlin e flight , usually , a nMB-1 1 o r DC-10 , wil l com e in . Tha t carg o i s offloaded , an dmos t o f tha t carg o i s containe d i nuni t loa ddevices . Th e uni t loa ddevice s ar e offloade dfro mth e aircraft , brough t t o th e sor t facility , rolle dou t wher e employee s wil l the noffloa dth e freigh t o neac h individua l packag e fro mth e uni t loa ddevice . The ythe nge t sorted . Employee s ther e mus t loo k a t th e shippin g labe l t o determin e wher e it' s going . I nthi s particula r case , they' d b e lookin g a t tha t labe l tha t say s MFRA , whic h tell s hi mMedford , th e Medford , Orego n station . Fro mthere , normally , wha t I'v e observe dbefor e i s thos e shipment s tha t ar e goin g b y- - o na feede r aircraft , ar e the n place dont o carts . Th e cart s the nar e NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 attache dt o a tug , whic hi s the nbrough t ou t

t o eac hindividua l Empir e aircraft , an dfro m ther e the yar e physicall yoffloade don e a t a time , usually , offloade dint o th e mai ndeck , a s wel l a s pods , b yFedera l Expres s employees .

And , I ha dobserve ddurin g tha t tim e tha t eac hpackage , a s i t i s loade do r i s usuall yo ntha t roller , i s scanne db yFedera l Expres s employee s wit hth e - - mos t o f th e time s wit hth e Empir e pilo t observin g th e loading . Q Okay . So , anyon e wh o wa s scannin g an dloadin g these , th e ORM- D marke r would , literally, i nthi s case , thes e tw o shipments , b e withi ninche s o r a ninc ho f wha t the yar e actuall yscanning . ATha t i s correct . Q And , thi s i s somethin g tha t i s suppose dt o b e supervise db yEmpir e Air' s pilo t durin g th e loadin g ont o hi s o r he r aircraft . ATha t i s correct .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Okay . And , i s ORM- D a

transportatio nuniqu e marking ? AORM- D i s a uniqu e transportatio n hazardou s material s identificatio nmarking . Q Okay . And , i s a nORM- D package , o r I shoul dmor e appropriatel ysay , a nORM- D ai r package , somethin g tha t i s require dt o b e reporte dt o th e pilo t o nth e pilot' s NOPIC ? AYes , i t is . Q Okay . Wa s tha t don e i nthi s case ? A No , i t wa s no t Q Okay . Di dyo u as k th e pilo t o r Empir e i f the yha danyshippin g paper s tha t accompanie dthi s shipment ? AYes , I did , dow ni nMedford , whe n I aske dfo r anyshippin g documents . Q And , the ycoul dproduc e none . AAnd , the yproduce dnon e there , othe r tha nth e indicatio ntha t ther e wa s n o hazardou s materia l o nboard . Q Okay . Turnin g t o photograp h8-3 , wha t i s thi s photograph ? NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AThi s i s a photograp ho f th e sid e

o f on e o f th e shipments , indicatin g additional informatio ntha t wa s printe dt o th e package . Q So , thi s identifie s th e substanc e that' s containe di nthi s ORM- D marke dpackage ? A Ye s And , th e quantity ? Yes . Q Okay . Turnin g t o 8-4 , wha t doe s thi s photograp hrepresent ? AThi s photograp hidentifie s th e inne r packages , o r th e materia l tha t wa s insid e th e fibe r boar dbox . Q And , wh o opene dth e shipment ? AI nthi s particula r case , th e Federa l Expres s statio nmanager , Joh n Phillips , opene dth e shipmen t t o determin e i f i t wa s a tru e hazardou s materia l insid e o r i f i t wa s a reuse dpackage . Q Okay . So , onc e thi s shipmen t wa s opened , di danythin g abou t th e inne r packagin g gai nyou r attention? NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AYes , th e scre wtyp e caps , ther e

wa s n o positiv e mean s ove r th e scre wtyp e caps . Q And , what' s th e significanc e o f tha t fo r ai r commerc e transportation ? AFo r thi s particula r - - fo r a shipmen t t o b e designate da s consume r commodit yORM- D air , i t mus t mee t th e requirement s i n4 9 CF R173.27 , an dpar t o f thos e requirement s i s fo r a scre wtyp e ca p o n th e liqui dyo u mus t hav e a positiv e mean s acros s tha t ca p t o preven t backin g of f an d leakin g o f th e materia l insid e tha t inne r package . Q Okay . So , wha t doe s tha t mea ni n term s o f th e abilit yt o reclassif ythi s shipmen t a s a nORM- D ai r shipment ? AYo u woul dno t b e abl e t o reclassif ythi s on e a s a nORM- D air . Q Sinc e yo u coul dno t reclassif y this , wha t shoul dthi s shipmen t hav e bee n classifie das ?

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AH e goe s bac k t o th e bas e

classification , whic hi nthi s cas e i s a n ethanol , ethano l flammable . Clas s 3 , packin g rout e 3 . And , als o hav e U n identificatio nnumbe r o f 1170 ? AYes . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r th e photograph s a t C- 8 fo r identificatio na s C-8 . MS . FELTS : N o objection .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant s 8 fo r identificatio nconsistin g o f fou r photograph s i s admitte da s Complainant' s 8 .

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. MORRIS : I as k yo u nex t t o tur nt o C- 9 fo r identification .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 A marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-9. ) B YMR . MORRIS : D o yo u recogniz e this ? Yes , I do . Wha t i s thi s document ? AThi s i s th e materia l safet ydat a shee t tha t I acquire dfro mth e manufacture r o f th e Nexiu mHan dSanitizer , th e Roya l Hous e Corporatio nou t o f Miami , Florida . Q And , ho wi s thi s documen t significan t t o you r investigation ? AThi s documen t i s utilize dt o hel p
m e identif yi f th e on e materia l i s a hazardou s material , an dt o hel p classif yth e material , pe r th e Departmen t o f Transportatio n Hazardou s Materia l Regulations . Q Woul dyo u poin t ou t thos e portion s o f thi s MSD S tha t wer e importan t t o yo u i n you r investigation ? AUnde r ite mnumbe r two , I identifie dth e hazard , i t wa s identifie da s NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e mai nhazardou s ingredient , a s a nethy l

alcohol . I als o utilized , unde r No , 3 , th e hazar didentification , whic hthe yclassified , whic hi s a nETMI S code , indicate da flammabilit yo f 3 , whic ha lo t o f time s wil l lea dt o on e t o believ e tha t i t i s a flammable .

Unde r ite mnumbe r five , firefightin g measures , the yliste da flas h poin t o f 7 4 degrees , whic hi s consisten t wit h 4 9 CF R173.12 1 i ndeterminin g th e packin g group . I nthi s particula r case , a flas hpoin t

o f 7 4 degree s F woul dindicat e tha t a packin g grou p flammabl e liquid . Q Okay . Anythin g else ? AAn dlastly , a lo t o f time s o n Materia l Safet yDat a Sheets , thoug hit' s no t required , th e lis t - - th e manufacturer s wil l lis t transpor t information . I nthi s particula r case , i t indicate dtha t th e materia l coul db e shippe db ygroun dan drai l

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 requirements .

Q Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C- 9 fo r identificatio na s C-9 .

MS . FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 9 fo r identificatio ni s receive di nevidenc e a s Complainant' s 9 .

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### previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-9 , was receive di nevidence. ) B YMR

. MORRIS : Di dyou , a s a resul t o f th e observation s t o thes e tw o differen t aircraft , sen dEmpir e Airline s a lette r o f investigation ? AYes , I did . Pleas e tur nt o C-1 0 (Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-10. )

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 B YMR . MORRI S D o yo u recogniz e thi s document ? Yes , I d o Wha t i s tha t document ? Thi s i s m ylette r o f investigatio n tha t wa s sen t t o Empir e Airline s Q Di dyo u receiv e a respons e fro m Empir e Airlines ? AYes , I did . MR , MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C-1 0 fo r identificatio na s C-1 0

MS , FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 1 0 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e
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Q And , I as k yo u t o tur nt o C-11-6 , throug hC-11-44 , i s tha t th e extrac t o f thei r Genera l Operation s Manua l fo r HAZMA T tha t the y provide dt o you ? AYes , i t is . Q Lookin g a t th e - - lookin g a t this , I' mgoin g t o direc t you r attentio nt o som e specifi c pages . Woul dyo u tur nt o C-11-8 ? AYes . Q And , accordin g t o it s ow nmanual , wh o doe s Empir e stat e i s responsibl e fo r complianc e wit hal l provision s o f th e HMR ? AEmpir e Airlines , Q And , whe nEmpir e accept s a shipment , doe s thi s manua l requir e tha t it' s acceptanc e personne l verif ytha t th e outsid e packag e i s labele dproperly ? AI t verifie s - - i t does . Q Okay . Tur nt o C-11-11 , lookin g a t the , I gues s it' s abou t th e fourt hsentenc e down , beginnin g with , "Acceptanc e personne l NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 Q However , lookin g a t thei r manual , 2 loo k dow na t B-10 . 3 AI t indicate s ORM-D , othe r 4 regulate dmaterials . 5 Q Okay . So , fo r purpose s o f thei r 6 manual , the yar e callin g i t a label . 7 AYes . 8 Q Okay . Doe s thei r progra mtal k 9 abou t rejectio no f HAZMA T shipment s tha t ar e 1 0 no t compliant ? 1 1 AYes . 1 2 Q Pleas e tur nt o pag e C-11-12 , unde r 1 3 Rejectio no f Non-Complian t HAZMAT . 1 4 AYes . 1 5 Q Wha t i s thei r requirement ? 1 6 A" Anon-complian t hazardou s 1 7 materia l shipmen t shal l b e rejecte dan d 1 8 segregate dfro mal l othe r carg o shipment s t o 1 9 preven t accidental introductio nint o th e 2 0 transportatio nsystem . Arecor do f rejecte d 2 1 shipment s shoul db e maintained . An yshipmen t 2 2 no t i ncomplianc e mus t properl yb e dispose do f NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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yhazardou s materia l unles s the shipmen t ha s me t acceptanc e and packagin g requirements , and th e pilo t i ncommand notificatio nha s bee ncompleted. " Q Okay . So , unde r it s program , again , it' s the pilo t that' s supervising the loading o f HAZMAT o nEmpire' s aircraft .

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a s thoug hit' s flyin g fo r on e ai r carrier , whe ni t i s actuall ybein g operate db yanothe r entity ? AYes , i t is . Q Fo r example , i f yo u ar e flyin g a regional je t fo r Unite dAirlines , a s a n example , an dyo u ge t o nUnite dExpress , i s i t

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carryin g flight , bu t som e othe r regiona l carrier ? Tha t i s correc t Q Okay . I s tha t th e situatio nher e wit hEmpir e Airlines , becaus e Empir e Airlines ' aircraf t ar e painte da s thoug hthe yar e Fed-E x aircraft ? Tha t i s correct . Q But , isn' t ther e a requiremen t i n th e Federa l Aviatio nRegulation s t o identif y wh o i s th e operato r o f th e aircraft ? AYes , ther e is .

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cit e fo r tha t regulation , i f yo u know ? ATha t requiremen t i s foun di n1 4 CF R119.9B . Q Okay . I wan t yo u t o tur nt o C-1 5 fo r identification ,

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-15. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q D o yo u recogniz e thi s photograph ? AYes . Q Wh o too k thi s photograph ? AI too k thi s photograph . Q And , i s 8907FT E a naircraf t that' s o nEmpir e Air' s operatio nspecifications ? AYes , i t is . Q Okay , bu t it' s painte dFed-E x feeder , i s i t not ? AYes , i t is . Q Okay . I s thi s aircraf t operate d b yEmpir e Air ?

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Q Okay . And , ho wca n yo u tel l fro m thi s photograph ? ATh e initia l photograph , th e firs t photograph , shows , i f yo u loo k b ywher e th e pilot' s doo r is , a littl e bi t t o th e lef t yo u ca nse e som e lettering , whic hi s no t readabl e i nthi s picture , i t get s a littl e mor e readabl e i f yo u loo k a t th e secon dpictur e o n there , adjacen t t o th e pilot' s door , an d the n o nth e thir dpictur e th e informatio nthat' s require dunde r 1 4 CF R 119.9 B indicate s tha t thi s aircraf t i s bein g operate db yEmpir e Airlines . Q Okay . So , i n th e aviatio n industry , i f i t walk s lik e a duck , an d talk s lik e a duck , i t ma yno t b e a duck . ATha t i s correct . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C

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(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-12. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q D o yo u recogniz e thi s a s th e Administrator' s Sanctio nGuidance ? AC-13 ? Q C-1 3 - - or , I' msorry , C-12 , AYes , I do . Q Okay . T o th e bes t o f you r knowledg e o r belief , di dth e Agenc yfollo w thi s sanctio nguidance ? NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AYes .

Q Th e sanctio nguidanc e i nthi s case ? AYes . Q So , let' s loo k a t th e factor s se t fort hi nth e Administrator' s Sanctio n Guidance . Wha t wa s th e ris k categor yfo r th e shipment s tha t wer e marke dORM-D ? AI t wa s a Categor yB . Q Okay . So , wh ywa s i t ris k categor yB versu s ris k categor yC ? ABecaus e th e bas e classificatio n o f th e material , sinc e i t coul dno t b e reclassifie da s consume r commodit yORM-D , i s a flammabl e Clas s 3 . Q Okay . And , a Categor yB - - ris k categor yB i s a moderat e weight . A Q A Q

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paper s fo r eac ho f th e ORM- D shipments . correct ?

Q Tha t i s correct . And , there' s tw o violation s fo r imprope r acceptanc e fo r th e imprope r marking s o f th e ORM- D shipment s themselves , i s tha t correct? Tha t i s correc t Q Okay . Di dth e shipments , t o you r knowledge , excee dth e quantit ylimitation s b y a significan t amount ? ANo . Q Okay . Di dth e shipment s caus e damag e o r interfer e wit hcommerc e i nthi s case ? ANo , Q Di dsomeon e othe r tha nEmpir e prepar e th e shipmen t fo r transport ? APrepare , i t woul dhav e bee nth e 

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particula r component . ATha t i s correct . Q Okay . Di dEmpir e rel yo n incorrec t informatio nfro manothe r source ? AYes . Q Okay . So , tha t woul dhav e applie d

a minimu mweigh t i nth e totalit yo f th e analysis ?

history ? Yes .

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I nthi s case , no . Q Okay . Now , becaus e there' s n o violatio nhistory , that' s no t mitigating , i s it ? AI t i s not . Q I nfact , that' s th e standard , it' s onl y- - yo u onl ywoul du p th e ant e a s i f ther e i s a violatio nhistory , i s tha t correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q Okay . So , lookin g a t th e sanctio n

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 matrix , i f w e tur nt o pag e 1944 8 i nExhibi t C

2 , Empir e i s wha t kin do f - - wha t grou p o f ai r carrie r i s it ?

Q Empir e i s a Grou p 2 ai r carrier . And , that' s b yvirtu e o f it s pilot s an dnumbe r o f aircraf t i t operates . correct?

Q Tha t i s correct . Okay . So , wha t i s th e range . unde r th e Administrator' s Sanctio nGuidance , fo r 17530 Aviolation s o f a Grou p 2 ai r carrier? AAnywher e betwee n$5,00 0 t o $27,500 .

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Tha t i s correct . Q Okay . An dthen , w e stil l hav e th e violatio no f th e firs t flight , wher e th e locatio no f th e hazardou s materia l wa s improperl yidentifie da t th e dow nstation .

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2 calle dou t i nth e matrix , othe r tha nt o 3 addres s th e othe r Par t 17 5 violations , i s tha t 4 correct? 5 ATha t i s correct . 6 Q So , yo u hav e on e violatio no f a 7 Grou p 2 ai r carrier , an dwhat' s th e sanctio n 8 rang e fo r othe r Par t 17 5 violation s fo r a 9 Grou p 2 ai r carrier ? 1 0 ABetwee n$5,00 0 an d$15,000 . 1 1 Q Okay . So , ther e ar e fiv e 1 2 violation s involve dhere . 1 3 AYes . 1 4 Q So , th e sanctio nrang e i nthi s 1 5 cas e i s betwee n$25,00 0 an d$125,000 . 1 6 ATha t i s correct . 1 7 Q Doe s th e Administrator' s reques t 1 8 fo r $20,00 0 fal l withi ntha t range ? 1 9 AIt' s a littl e below . 2 0 Q Okay . Doe s th e Administrator' s 2 1 Sanctio nGuidanc e allo wa downwar ddeviatio n 2 2 belo wth e sanctio nrange ? NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 AYes , i t does . 2 Q Okay . Why ? 3 ABase do nth e totalit yo f al l th e 4 circumstance s involved . 5 Q Okay . And , i nthi s case , becaus e 6 o f this , i s i t withi nth e Administrator' s 7 discretio nto , actually , see k a civi l penalt y 8 belo wwha t woul dnormall yb e withi nth e rang e 9 o f th e Administrator' s Sanctio nGuidance ? 1 0 AYes . 1 1 Q Okay . So , let' s assum e tha t w e 1 2 jus t loo k a t th e tw o separat e shipments , an d 1 3 consider , instea do f th e fou r violations , the y 1 4 ar e multiplaciou s fo r sanctio npurposes , an d 1 5 s o yo u onl yhav e two , an dthe nyo u ad di nth e 1 6 dow n- - th e dow nstatio nviolation , s o a tota l 1 7 o f thre e violations . 1 8 AYes . 1 9 Q Isn' t th e sanctio nrang e i ntha t 2 0 cas e fro m$15,00 0 t o $70,000 ? 2 1 AYes . 2 2 Q So , th e mid-rang e fo r tha t woul d NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 hav e bee n$40,000 .

ATha t i s correct . Q So , th e $20,000 , eve ni f yo u conside r i t multiplacious , i s a t leas t o nth e lowe r en do f th e Administrator' s Sanctio n Guidance . ATha t i s correct . MR . MORRIS : Nothin g further . You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : Cross ?

CROS S EXAMINATIO N B YMS . FELTS : Mr . Stiger , ho wman y yo u mentione do ndirec t wit hMr , Morri s tha t yo u ha ddone , approximately , 60 0 inspection s i n th e cours e o f you r career , ho wman y inspection s i s tha t o f Empir e Airline s di d tha t numbe r include ? AO f Empir e Airlines ? JUDG E GOODWIN : Ms , Felts , jus t t o giv e yo u a head s up , I trea t eac hcas e separately . So , yo u know , w e ma yhav e covere d NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 somethin g i nothe r cases , bu t assum e tha t thi s

stand s alone .

MS . FELTS : Yes , You r Honor . TH E WITNESS : Jus t t o giv e a roug h ballpar k figure , I woul dsa yanywher e ove r th e cours e o f - - tha t woul dhav e bee n- - strictl y thi s i s wit hth e Federa l Aviatio n Administration , no t m yprio r groun dexperienc e wit hth e Offic e o f Moto r Carriers , I woul dsa y anywher e fro m

mayb e aroun d7 5 t o 100 , ove r th e cours e o f m y1 3 years , o r thereabouts .

Q B YMS . FELT S I migh t no t hav e bee nclea r o nm y question , I' msorry . I jus t wan t t o mak e sur e tha t I a maskin g th e righ t - - tha t yo u ar e answerin g th e righ t question . I'l l star t again . I wa s asking , ho wman yinspection s
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 indicating ,

Q A Q A Q Okay , I wante dt o b e sur e Aroun dtha t many . Okay . O nthat , that' s - - Okay , than k you . Okay . And , yo u mentione di nyou r Agen t statemen t tha t yo u obtaine dth e printout s o f th e inboun dD Galert , outbound , th e D G paperwor k fro mFed-E xExpress . AYes . Q Thi s i s - - th e Responden t i nthi s cas e i s Empire , s o wh ywoul dth e paperwor k wit hFed-E xExpress? ABasically , that' s - - th e variou s carrier s utiliz e differen t mean s i nthis , an d that' s ho wEmpir e meet s tha t requirement ,

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1 actually , ge t th e hazardou s materials , the y 2 wil l load , or , the ywil l loa dit , the ywil l 3 prepar e thei r ow npilo t notification , an dfro m 4 ther e the nthe ywil l contac t thei r operation s 5 provide di ntha t information . 6 So , o nth e down-lin e station , a t 7 tha t tim e w e als o loo k a t Ameri f light , I woul d 8 cal l thei r operations , as k fo r tha t 9 information . 1 0 Empir e utilize s th e Federa l 1 1 Expres s aut o D Gsyste mt o mee t tha t dov^m-lin e 1 2 informatio nrequirement . 1 3 Anothe r carrie r tha t utilize s th e 1 4 sam e as , i nthi s area , sam e a s Ameri f light , 1 5 wa s Ai r Cargo , Incorporated , ou t o f Wisconsin , 1 6 an dthe yutiliz e th e same , becaus e the ywer e 1 7 th e feede r her e for , a t tha t time , AV XAir , 1 8 whic hwa s par t o f th e DH L system , the yutiliz e 1 9 th e sam e aspec t a s Ameriflight . 2 0 So , unde r HM-206-C , Researc han d 2 1 Specia l Program s Administratio nsai dth e 2 2 informatio nha s t o b e available . The ydi dno t NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 dictat e ho wtha t informatio nwa s t o ge t there .

So , variou s differen t carrier s use ddifferen t mode s t o d o it .

M yexperienc e ha s been , i s tha t Empir e utilize s th e aut o D Gsyste mt o mee t tha t requirement . Q Than k you . And , yo u mentione dearlier , too , o ndirec t wit hMr . Morris , tha t th e pilo t ha d change dth e loa dcontro l shee t prio r t o departure , t o reflec t th e Po dC location . I s tha t - - A Tha t wa s m yunderstanding . Ho w di d yo u ge t tha t understanding ? AM yunderstandin g fro mth e Fed-E x personne l ther e i nMedford , a s wel l a s th e lea dtha t wa s indicate di nth e lette r o f respons e fro mEmpir e Airlines . Q Okay . Al l right . And , wit hregar dt o thos e eigh t packages , I' msorry , it' s fiv e packages . NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Po dC whe nthe ywer e offloaded , di d yo u observ e an yo f the mleaking ? ANo , I di d not . Q them ?

A Q anything ? Wa s ther e an yodo r comin g fro m

No . Packagin g wa s i n tact ? Packagin g wa s i n tact . Wa s i t we t o n th e outsid e o r

I ha d n o indicatio ntha t i t wa s we t o n th e outside . Q Di d yo u hav e an yindicatio ntha t th e plan e ha d t o b e diverted , o r ther e wa s an y othe r emergenc yrespons e even t wit htha t flight ? ANo . Q An d then , yo u mentioned , too , I' m jumpin g aroun da littl e bit , actually , I' m goin g t o tur nno wt o th e nex t flight , th e fligh t tha t ha d th e ORM- D package s o n it , th e NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 secon dflight. Yo u mentione do nyou r direc t

jus t a momen t ag o tha t a Fed-E xmanage r opene d

u p tha t packag e t o revea l th e han dsanitize r inside , di dyo u instruc t hi mt o d o that ? ANo , I di dnot . Q So , wh ydi dh e ope nth e package ? AM yunderstandin g was , Mr . Phillip s wante dt o verif yfo r himsel f tha t i t wa s hazardou s material , a s oppose dt o a repackage d

o r a bo xtha t wa s use dt o repackag e a non hazardou s shipment . Q An dthen , I'l l as k yo u th e sam e thin g wit hthi s shipmen t that , actually , wa s thos e corrosiv e shipments , whe nyo u sa wth e inne r - - th e bottle s inside , wer e an yo f the m leaking ? No , the ywer e not . Q Or , emanatin g a nodor ? ANo , yo u ar e talkin g i nregard s t o th e one s tha t wer e marke dORM-D ? Q Yes , sir , tha t ORM- D package . ATh e ORM- D ones , no , ther e wa s n o

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 indicatio no f leakage .

Q And , t o you r knowledge , ther e wa s
n o diversio no r emergenc yrespons e even t wit h tha t flight. ANo , ther e wa s not . Q Okay . And , yo u mentione dalso . yo u mentione di nyou r Agen t statement , tha t thos e packages , thos e ORM- D packages , wer e marke da s ORM- D o nbot hsides , ye t there' s on e phot o showin g on e side . D o yo u hav e a phot o o f th e secon dside ? ANo , I d o not , I onl ytoo k th e photo s o f th e on e o n- - nex t t o th e shippin g labels . Q Okay . Let' s tur nno wto , i f w e could , th e procedure s i nth e Empir e - - th e material , th e Genera l Operation s Manua l tha t Empir e provide dt o you . I' mjus t referrin g t o it , I' mno t goin g t o poin t ou t anythin g specific , bu t I jus t wante dt o highligh t somethin g tha t wa s mentione di nyou r exchang e wit hMr . Morris , regardin g th e languag e i n NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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employe e ma yloa do r transport , yo u know , hazardou s material s o nboard . That' s i nth e Empir e manual .

But , d o yo u kno wtha t Fed-E xi s a n agen t o f Empire , o r i f it' s th e othe r wa y around ? A I t probabl ydepend s o nwhic h functio nthe yar e performing . Q Okay . ANormally , m yexperienc e i nth e transportatio nbusines s is , you'l l hav e variou s differen t companie s performin g variou s differen t functions . Tha t doe s no t reliev e th e on e wh o i s performing , o r wh o i s directin g tha t function , th e responsibilit yfo r tha t functio nbein g carrie dou t correctly , pe r th e Regulations . Q Okay . I' mgoin g t o tur nno wt o th e penalt yguidance , th e sanctio nguidance . a bi t

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kno wyo u ar e familia r wit hwha t th e documen t entails , th e category , that' s wha t I wan t t o as k yo u about . Wh ywasn' t thi s substanc e ORM

D classifie di nCategor yC , bu t there' s n o differentiatio nfo r air ? AThi s i s categorie da s a Categor yB becaus e th e package , a s tendere da t th e tim e o f th e fo r ai r shipment , wa s no t authorized . I nothe r words , i t coul dno t hav e bee nclasse d

a s a consume r commodit yORM- D ai r fo r ai r transportation , becaus e th e inne r package s di d

no t mee t th e requiremen t fo r ai r transportation .

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ste p procedure . Th e firs t ste p i s t o identif y i t as , pe r 4 9 CF R171.8 , tha t i t meet s th e definitio no f consijmie r commodity , whic hi s intende dfo r and/o r suitabl e fo r househol d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 specif yyo u t o 4 9 CF R173.150 . I ntha t

particula r case , you' dhav e t o als o mee t th e limite dquantit yprovisions .

I f yo u g o an dloo k a t that , tha t requires , i nothe r words , t o b e identifie da s a limite dquantit yfo r ai r transport , i t mus t

mee t th e requirement s i n17 3 - - excus e me , 4 9 CF R173.27 . Therefore , i t doe s no t pas s tha t
secon dste p t o b e reclassifie dfo r ai r transport , an dth e shippe r i nthi s particula r cas e offere dthes e tw o shipment s fo r ai r transpor t a s priorit yovernight . Q But , isn' t i t tru e tha t th e Categor y- - th e guidanc e i nCategor yC , tha t category , i t ha s jus t ORM-D , i t doesn' t mak e an ydifferentiatio n- - i t doesn' t sa yair , i t jus t say s ORM-D , isn' t tha t true ? AI ntha t category , yes . Q Okay . An dthen , m yfina l questio n i s wit hregar dt o actua l sanctio ntha t wa s levie dagains t Empire , yo u note di nyou r NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 record s review , an dit' s als o discusse dwit h

Mr . Morri s o ndirect , tha t Empir e ha dn o prio r enforcemen t history , correct ? ATha t i s correct . Q And , yo u als o note dtha t th e $20,00 0 propose dsanctio nwa s a deviation , downwar ddeviatio nfro mwha t th e rang e yo u ha d i nfron t o f yo u accordin g t o th e guidance , i s tha t correct ?

Q Tha t i s correct . Wh yno t - - wh ypenalt ya t al l then ?

Hono r MR . MORRI S Objection , You r

H e doesn' t ge t t o mak e tha t determination , that' s don e b ylega l counsel .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Overruled . TH E WITNESS : M yrecommendatio ni n thi s particula r cas e wa s base do nth e respons e tha t I receive dback , tha t i t woul dno t hav e me t th e administrativ e criteria , becaus e I mad e a determinatio ntha t administrativ e actio ni nthi s particula r cas e woul dno t - - NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Q B YMS . FELTS : Ho w di d yo u mak e tha t determination ? ABase do nth e totalit yo f th e cas e an dth e respons e I receive dbac k fro mEmpir e Airlines . Okay . Wit hregar d d o yo u no t hav e th e capacit yt o issu e warnin g letters ?

I d o hav e th e capacity . I n regard s t o consultatio nwit hm ysuperiors , sometime s I d o hav e tha t ability , t o tak e administrativ e action . Q Hav e yo u eve r don e tha t before ? AYes , I have , MS , FELTS : Nothin g further , JUDG E GOODWIN : Redirect ? MR , MORRIS : No , sir , bu t I faile d t o earlie r t o offe r C-1 1 an d1 2 fo r identificatio na s C-1 1 an d12 . NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 M S . FELTS : And , there' s n o

objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : I' msorry ?

MS . FELTS : N o objectio nt o that . JUDG E GOODWIN : C-1 1 wil l b e receive dint o evidenc e a s C-11 . And , C-1 2 i s th e sanctio nrequirements , an dth e sam e commen t a s yesterda ytha t I'l l admi t i t int o evidence , bu t we'v e als o reviewe dth e applicabl e regulation s a t th e tim e o f eac h violation . But , Complainant' s 1 2 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidence .



### (Whereupon , th edocument s previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibit s C-11 , an dC-1 2 wer e receive di n evidence. ) MR . MORRIS : Nothin g furthe r fo r thi s witness , sir .

JUDG E GOODWIN : And , 1 3 wa s no t offered , 1 3 an d1 4 ar e no t offered .

MR . MORRIS : No t yet , sir ,

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay . Sir , I' m

goin g t o instruc t yo u no t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio n o f th e hearing .

Yo u ar e excused . Yo u ma yo r ma y no t b e subjec t t o recall , s o i f yo u woul d remai noutside .

TH E WITNESS : Yes .

excused . (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s

JUDG E GOODWIN : It' s quarte r t o 3:00 , let' s tak e a ten-minut e break .

MR . MORRIS : Sir , coul dh e stil l si t a t Counsel' s table ?

(Whereupon , a t 2:4 5 p.m. , a reces s unti l 3:0 0 p.m. )

JUDG E GOODWIN : Mr . Morris ? MR . MORRIS : Yes , sir . Nex t witnes s i s Agen t Kenny . JUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , stan dan d rais e you r righ t hand .

Pleas e b e seate dan dstat e you r

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ful l name , spel l you r firs t an dlas t name . MR , KENNY : M ynam e i s Thoma s Kenny , T-H-0-M-A- S K-E-N-N-Y ,

JUDG E GOODWIN : Okay , sir . WHEREUPON , THOMA S L . KENNY , JR . wa s calle dfo r examinatio nb yCounse l fo r th e Agency , an dhavin g bee nfirs t dul ysworn, testifie da s follows :

DIREC T EXAMINATIO N B YMR . MORRIS : Q Mr . Kenny , pleas e provid e you r ful l busines s addres s an dwher e yo u ar e currentl yemployed . AFul l busines s addres s i s 160 1 Lin d Avenue , S.W. , Suit e 530 , Renton , Washingto n 98057 , an dI' memploye dwit hth e Federa l Aviatio nAdministration , Hazardou s Material s Branch . Q And , wha t ar e you r curren t duties ? ACurren t dutie s is , I' mmanage r o f th e Securit yFiel dOffice , Hazardou s Material s NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Fiel dOffic e i nRenton , Washington .

Q Describ e you r HAZMA T backgroun d

an dexperience . AHAZMA T background , I wa s hire d wit hth e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio na s a Dangerou s Good s Specia l Agen t i n1997 , Marc h

o f 1997 . Spen t seve nyear s a s a Fiel dAgen t conductin g inspection s an dinvestigations . Par t 1 4 CF Rcertificate doperators , a s wel l a s shippers , t o repai r stations , an dfreight

forwardin g companies .

I n2003 , I wa s selecte da s th e Manage r fo r th e HAZMA T Material s Fiel dOffice , an dI hav e bee na superviso r fo r th e pas t

seve nyears , supervisin g thos e responsibilities , an dsupervisin g specia l agent s fo r inspection s an dinvestigation s fo r th e state s o f Oregon , Washington , Montana , Idah o an dAlaska . Q Prio r t o joinin g th e FAA , d o yo u hav e anyindustr yexperience ? AYes , I do .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Wha t i s that ?

AI wa s wit hCaree nAi r Cargo , Gatewa yOperations , i nLo s Angeles , California , a s a Dangerou s Good s Specialis t

an dLoa dMaster .

Prio r t o that , I wa s wit hth e Unite dAirlines , i nthei r Operation s Offic e i n Sa nFrancisco .

And , prio r t o that , I wa s wit h Wes t Air , whic hi s no wpar t o f Sk yWes t Airlines . Wes t Ai r wa s a regiona l commute r operation , 121/135 , tha t fe dth e passenge r operation s fo r Unite dAirlines , Delta , America nAirlines . Q Okay . D o yo u recal l participatin g i na nhazardou s material s inspectio no f Empir e Airline s bac k o nAugus t 22 , 2007 ? AYes , I do . Q Wher e di dthi s occur ? AI nMedford , Oregon . Q And , wh ywer e yo u there ? AI wa s ther e fo r tw o reasons , one .

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 on e o f th e mandate s o f m ypositio na s a

superviso r i s tha t I monito r inspectio n operation s b yfiel dspecialists . So , I wa s ou t there , par t o f tha t wa s monitorin g Agen t Stige r i nhi s inspection . And , th e secon d

reaso nwa s fo r - - t o retai nm ycurrenc ya s a n inspector , supervisor ylevel , it' s mandate d tha t I conduc t inspection s a s well . Q Okay . So , wer e yo u presen t whe n bot hth e firs t an dth e secon daircraf t arrive d tha t ar e a resul t o f th e complain t that' s befor e th e Judge ? A Yes . Q So , yo u wer e presen t whe nNovembe r 78FT E wa s bein g offloaded ? AYes . Q And , yo u wer e presen t whe n Novembe r 940FT E wa s bein g offloaded ? AYes . Q So , yo u ar e awar e o f th e violation s tha t ar e th e subjec t o f thi s complaint?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 AYes .

Q Okay . And , base dupo nthes e tw o incidents , yo u ar e awar e tha t Agen t Stige r initiate da nenforcemen t investigatio nreport ? AYes . Q Okay . Now , i nyou r capacit ya s a manage r i nth e hazardou s material s i nthi s geographi c area , d o yo u hav e responsibilit y fo r oversigh t o f th e program s o f th e wil l o r th e wil l no t ai r carriers ?

Yes , on e o f th e othe r responsibilitie s o f m yoffic e i s th e revie w an drecommendatio no f acceptanc e t o principa l operation s inspector s fo r th e carrier s tha t

ar e domicile di nth e northwes t mountai n region . Q Okay . I s Empir e Ai r on e o f thos e ai r carrier s tha t ar e you r responsibility ?

Yes . Q And , i s Empir e Ai r a wil l carr y ai r carrier ?

Ye s

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Wha t doe s tha t - - what' s a s wil l

carr yai r carrier , wha t doe s tha t mea ni nou r parlance ? I t mean s thei r operatio n specification s allo wfo r the mt o carr y hazardou s materials . Q Okay . Becaus e the yar e a wil l

carr yoperator , ar e the yrequire dt o hav e a manua l concernin g thei r handling , loadin g an d transportatio no f hazardou s materials ? AYes . Q I' das k yo u t o turn , i nfron t o f yo u shoul db e a binder , an dI' das k yo u t o tur nt o Ta bC-11 , page s C-11- 6 throug hC-11

- 4 4 D o yo u recogniz e this ?

Yes . Q Wha t i s this ? AThi s i s th e excerp t o nth e hazardou s material s content s fo r Empir e Airline s fo r thei r manua l

Okay . Wh o i nthi s regio nwoul d

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 hav e approve dthi s Empir e manual ?

ATha t woul db e eithe r mysel f o r Branc hManage r Sk yLandis . Q Okay . A s par t o f thi s manual , mus t Empir e se t fort hprocedure s fo r acceptanc e o f hazardou s materia l shipments ?

Yes . Okay , Now , a s par t o f it s operatio nspecifications . Empir e ha s establishe da sectio ni nit s Genera l Operation s Manua l concernin g thes e hazardou s materials , whic hi s reflecte di nthes e documents , i s tha t correct ? AYes . Q Okay . Turnin g t o pag e C-11-8 , unde r th e Genera l Provisions , accordin g t o it s ow nmanua l wh o doe s Empir e Ai r stat e i s responsibl e fo r complianc e wit hal l th e provision s o f th e HMR ? A Tha t Empir e Airline s I S responsible . Q

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tha t th e ai r carrier , th e ai r operator , responsibl e fo r givin g flight , i s responsibl e fo r th e acceptanc e an dth e transpor t o f th e hazardou s material s o nit s aircraft ? AYes . Q Okay . And , d o ai r carrier s hav e a responsibilit yo r a nobligation , whic hwoul d b e memorialize di nthei r manual , concernin g rejectio no f HAZMA T shipment s tha t ar e no t i n complianc e wit hth e HMR ?

Yes . Q Okay . And , i s tha t reflecte di n th e Empir e manua l a t pag e C-11-12 ? AYes . Q Specifically , tha t the yshal l b e rejecte dan dsegregate dfro mothe r non-carg o shipment s t o preven t accidenta l introductio n int o th e ai r transportatio nsystem ? AYes . Q So , the yjus t can' t tur na blin d ey e t o it , the yhav e a separat e obligation . NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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obligatio nfo r th e HAZMA T aboar dit s aircraft . AYes . Q Okay . And , unde r th e Empir e Air' s Hazardou s Material s Program , wh o i s require d t o supervis e th e loadin g o f Empire' s aircraft ? ATh e pilots . Q Al l right , an di s tha t reflecte d

a t C-11-41 , A l an dA2 ? AYes . Q Okay . Now , whe nsomeon e act s a s a nai r carrier , the ymus t ge t permissio nfro m th e Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio nabou t wha t aircraf t the yca nus e i nth e conduc t o f thei r operations , correct ?

Q That' s correc t And , wha t aircraf t th e ai r carrier' s operation s paragraph , o r wha t aircraf t operation s specification s set s fort h th e aircraf t tha t a nai r carrie r ca nus e t o conduc t it s operations . AParagrap hD-85 .

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fo r identification .

(Whereupon , th e documen t wa s marke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t No . C-13. ) B YMR . MORRIS : Q I s thi s th e D-8 5 ai r carrie r operation s specification s tha t wa s i neffec t fo r Federa l Expres s i n2007 ? AYes . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C-1 3 fo r identificatio na s C-13 .

MS . FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 1 3 fo r identificatio ni s receive dint o evidenc e
a s Complainant' s 13 .

(Whereupon , th edocumen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-13 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR

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as k yo ut o tur nt o C-1 4 NEA LR

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Q Exhibi t No . C-14. ) B YMR . MORRIS : D o yo u recogniz e this ? Yes . Q I s thi s th e D-8 5 O p spec s concernin g th e aircraf t tha t Empir e Airline s coul doperat e bac k i n2007 ? AYes . Q Okay . MR . MORRIS : You r Honor , I offe r C-1 4 fo r identificatio na s C-14 .

MS . FELTS : N o objection . JUDG E GOODWIN : Complainant' s 1 4 i s receive dint o evidenc e a s Complainant' s 14 .

(Whereupon , th e documen t previousl ymarke dfo r identificatio na s Exhibi t C-14 , wa s receive di nevidence. ) B YMR . MORRIS :

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Q Lookin g a t C-1 3 an dC-14 , o nwhos e

ai r carrie r certificat e i s Novembe r 740FTE ? ATha t i s o nEmpir e Air' s operatio n specifications . Q And , o nwhos e ai r carrie r certificat e i s Novembe r 778FTE ? A O n Empir e Air' s operatio n specification . Q Now , i nadditio nt o th e Op s specs . i s ther e a requiremen t fo r a nentit yoperatin g th e aircraf t t o identif ywh o i s o nth e aircraft , wh o i s operatin g th e aircraf t itself ?

Q Ye s And , i s tha t wha t Federa l Aviatio nRegulatio nrequire s th e entit y actuall yoperatin g th e aircraf t t o identif y itsel f a s such ? A That' s A R14 , o r 1 4 CF R119.9B , brav o Q Okay . Now , yo u mentione dearlie r tha t thi s aircraft , o r tha t th e inspecto r i n NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Q Ye s Describ e th e proces s o f revie w onc e i t reache s you r office . A Onc e a n agen t complete s a n EIR , i t i s submitte dt o mysel f fo r review . I revie w i t i n accordanc e wit hth e F AOrder s an d alon g wit hth e Regulations , t o mak e sur e tha t th e allege dviolatio nca n b e substantiated , an d the nfro mm yrevie wi t goe s t o ou r Hazardou s Material s Branc hManager . Th e Branc hManage r conduct s hi s review , o r he r review , the ni t i s signe dof f b you r divisio nmanager , prio r t o goin g t o ou r Lega l Office . Q Okay . And , wha t i s th e purpos e o f you r revie w ATh e purpos e o f m yrevie wi s t o sustai nth e allege dviolations , tha t the y occurre dwit hth e Regulations , an d als o t o ensur e tha t th e recommendatio nfo r civi l penalt yi s consisten t wit hFAAOrder s an d DO T NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Q I nth e process , th e hazardou s material s process , ther e ar e a t leas t thre e peopl e abov e Agen t Stige r wh o woul drevie wi t befor e i t goe s t o th e Lega l Offic e fo r any typ e o f action . ATha t i s correct . Q Di dyo u fin dtha t thi s cas e wa s appropriat e t o b e sen t forwar dt o Lega l fo r lega l enforcemen t action ? AYes . Q Wha t ar e som e o f th e factor s tha t yo u loo k a t durin g you r review , i nregard s t o sanctions ? AW e loo k a t - - well , th e Sanctio n Guideline s tha t ar e published , w e loo k a t th e culpabilit yo f th e violator , th e correctiv e actions , i f any , an dwha t i s publishe dfo r publi c knowledg e i s wha t I hav e t o consider . Q Okay . And , i nyou r experience , ho wman ytechnica l review s o f HAZMA T case s d o you , generally , conduc t a year ? NEA L R . GROS S COUR TREPORTER S AN D TRANSCRIBER S 132 3 RHOD E ISLAN D AVE. , N.W

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Q Okay . And , i nyou r revie wo f thi s case , i s th e $20,00 0 C P propose di nthi s cas e consisten t wit hth e Administrator' s guidance ?

Ye s MR . MORRI S I hav e nothin g further , sir .

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an d15 , th e Op s Spec s fo r Empire .

I t wa s you r testimon ytha t thes e represen t aircraf t tha t Empir e i s authorize d t o operate , correct ? A Correct . Q But , it' s true , though , tha t i t doesn' t indicat e whethe r o r no t Empir e Airline s own s thes e aircraft . ANo . Q Okay . So , i t migh t no t b e

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Empire' s aircraft . AI t i s o nthei r Operatin g Specifications . Q Okay . An dthen , wit hregar dt o th e revie wyo u di do f th e EIR , di dyo u not e tha t Empir e ha dn o previou s civi l penalt y history ?

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 a civi l penalt yaction . MS . FELTS : Ca nI hav e a moment . You r Honor ? JUDG E GOODWIN : Yes .

MS . FELTS : On e moment , pleas e JUDG E GOODWIN : Sur e MS . FELTS : furthe r fo r thi s witnes s W e hav e nothin g

Than k you . MR . MORRIS : Nothin g further , sir . Th e Governmen t rests .

JUDG E GOODWIN : Sir , yo u ar e excused . Yo u ar e instructe dno t t o discus s you r testimon ywit hanybod yprio r t o th e conclusio no f th e hearing .

TH E WITNESS : Yes , sir . (Whereupon , th e witnes s wa s excused. ) JUDG E GOODWIN : Ho wman ywitnesse s d o yo u have , Ms . Felts ?

MS . FELTS : Two , You r Honor . JUDG E GOODWIN : I doub t tha t w e 

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 ar e goin g t o ge t through . MS . FELTS : I t wil l b e pushin g it . JUDG E GOODWIN : M ythough t woul d be , bein g awar e tha t rus hhou r hasn' t starte d yet , Mr . Morris .

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(Whereupon , th e above-entitle d matte r wa s conclude da t 3:1 4 p.m. )

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