PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 1 1 BEFORE THE U. S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY (EPA) 2 3 IN RE: VEOLIA ES TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS AIR PERMIT, 4 5 6 7

EPA PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF 8 VEOLIA ES TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS AIR PERMIT FEBRUARY 19, 2013 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 2 1 INDEX 2 PAGE 3 OPENING REMARKS By Hearing Officer Pope 5 4 5 OVERVIEW OF DRAFT PERMIT By Ms. Genevieve Damico 8 6 7 COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC Ms. Kathleen Logan Smith 14 8 Ms. Kathy Andria 15 Ms. Kristhy St. Hilaire 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 3 1 BEFORE THE U. S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY (EPA) 2 3 4 5 IN RE: VEOLIA ES TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS AIR PERMIT, 6 7 8 A Public Hearing was held in the aforementioned matter on the 19th day of February, 2013, between 9 the hours of 3:00 o'clock in the afternoon and 6:5 1 o'clock in the evening, at the Southern Illinois 10 University Edwardsville, East St. Louis Higher Education Campus, Building B, Room 2083, in East St

. 11 Louis, Illinois, before Pamela K. Needham, CCR, C SR (MO, IL) and Notary Public, in a certain matter now 12 pending before the BEFORE THE U. S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY (IEPA) In the Matter of VEOLIA ES 13 TECHNICAL SOLUTIONS AIR PERMIT. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 4 1 APPEARANCES : 2 THE HEARING OFFICER: 3 Ms. Janet Pope 4 Community Involvement Coordinator U.S. Environmental Protection Agency 5 6 FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY: 7 Ms. Genevieve Damico 8 Environmental Protection Agency Region 5 77 West Jackson Boulevard (AR-18J) 9 Chicago, IL 60604 (312) 353-4761 10 damico.genevieve@epa.gov 11 12 ALSO PRESENT FROM THE EPA: 13 14 David Ogulei Andrea Morgan 15 Environmental Engineers 16 Francisco Arcaute Media Relations Specialist 17 18 19 The Court Reporter: 20 Pamela K. Needham, IL CSR, MO CCR Midwest Litigation Services 21 711 North 11th Street St. Louis, MO 63101 22 314-644-2191 23 24 25PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 5 1 (On the record at 3:12 p.m.)

2 P R O C E E D I N G S 3 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Good afternoon, 4 everybody. My name is Janet Pope, and I'm a 5 Community Involvement Coordinator with the U.S. 6 Environmental Protection Agency. I will be serving 7 as the Hearing Officer for today's hearing. A court 8 reporter is here, she's making a transcript -- a 9 transcript of everything that is said here today, 10 and that transcript will become part of the offic ial 11 Agency Administrative record on this facility. 12 We have four people here from the EPA 13 today. We have Genevieve Damico, who is the Chie f

14 of the Air Permits section of the EPA. We have 15 David Ogulei and Andrea Morgan, who are 16 environmental site engineers with the EPA, they'r e 17 in the back. We also have Francisco Arcaute, whois 18 a media relations specialist at the EPA. Everybody 19 is from Chicago, from the Illinois office of the

20 EPA. 21 We are here today to share 22 information and to listen to your questions and 23 comments regarding the EPA's draft operating permit 24 that EPA is proposing to issue to Veolia ES 25 Technical Solutions, LLC, located in Sauget,PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 6 1 Illinois. Today's hearing will have two parts. I n 2 the first part, Genevieve Damico will provide an 3 overview of the draft permit. Second, we'll take 4 public comments for the record. However, we will 5 not respond to questions or comments today. 6 All persons wishing to speak during 7 this hearing should let us know by filling out a 8 blue index card with your name. When your name is 9 called, please state your name, then spell your la st 10 name for the court reporter. If you have written 11 comments but do not wish to speak, please give them 12 to me before you leave. So that everyone who wis hes 13 to comment has a chance to do so, please limit your 14 comments to two minutes. At the one and a half 15 minute mark, I will ask you to please conclude. At 16 this time you will have 30 seconds to conclude. If 17 you have not finished at that time, I will ask you 18 to release the floor to the next commenter. After 19 everyone has gotten a chance to comment, and if t ime 20 is still available, you may return and finish your 21 comments, or you may submit your remaining comments 22 to me on paper. 23 Please remember to repeat your las t 24 name and spell it for the court reporter. 25 We will not be holding an informalPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 7 1 question and answer session as part of this hearing. 2 Any testimony received at this hearing, along with 3 any written comments received by the end of the 4 comment period, will be part of the official record 5 for this permit. The EPA has prepared a fact sheet, 6 which is available here today. The fact sheet and 7 other documents in the record for this permitting 8 action provide details about the permit and also 9 explain how you may file written comments. You can 10 find the record for this permitting action at 11 www.regulations.gov, Docket ID

12 EPA-R05-OAR-2012-0649. 13 Before we start, I would like to make 14 an announcement regarding the comment period. The 15 EPA has extended the comment period to April 1st, 16 2013. Therefore, you will now have until April 1 st 17 to file your comments, and EPA will add any comments 18 that we receive by midnight on April 1st to the 19 permitting record.

20 So let the record show that it is 21 3:16 p.m. on February 19th, 2013. This hearing i s 22 being held at the Distance Learning Lab, Room 208 3, 23 in Building B of Southern Illinois University 24 Edwardsville - East St. Louis Higher Education 25 Campus, 601 James R. Thompson Boulevard in East S t.PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 8 1 Louis, Illinois. This hearing is on the EPA's 2 proposal of a draft operating permit for the Veoli a 3 ES Technical Solutions, LLC, located in Sauget,

4 Illinois. 5 Legal notice of this hearing was 6 published in the East St. Louis Monitor newspaper on 7 January 10th, and in the Belleville News Democrat 8 newspaper on January 11, 2013. Permit documents are 9 publicly available at www.regulations.gov, Docket 10 ID: EPA-R05-OAR-2012-0649, and information about the 11 hearing was placed on EPA's website.

12 Next I will call the names of thos e 13 who registered to speak today in the order that they 14 registered. When I call your name, please come up 15 to the front of the room, state your name and 16 address, spell your last name, and identify any 17 company or organization that you're representing. 18 But first, Genevieve Damico from EPA will give usan 19 overview of the permit. 20 MS. GENEVIEVE DAMICO: Good afternoon, 21 everybody. My name is Genevieve Damico, I'm the 22 Chief of the Air Permits Section at the Chicago 23 office of EPA. My staff prepared the draft permi t 24 that is the subject of today's hearing. 25 Veolia's Sauget, Illinois, facilit yPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 9 1 is a treatment, storage and disposal facility which 2 accepts waste for disposal through incineration. 3 Veolia receives containers and bulk shipments of 4 hazardous and solid waste; analyzes and transfers 5 the waste to temporary storage facilities; and 6 processes and incinerates it in three combustion 7 units. The waste that Veolia receives is varied, 8 and can contain differing amounts of hazardous

9 material. 10 Veolia operates under a Clean Air Act 11 Title V permit, because it is a major source of 12 hazardous air pollutants emissions, and is subject

13 to one of the National Emissions Standards for

14 Hazardous Air Pollutants. As I will describe in 15 more detail in a few minutes, EPA is proposing to 16 use the significant modification procedures of Ti tle 17 V of the Clean Air Act to modify the Title V 18 operating permit that EPA previously issued to 19 Veolia ES Technical Solutions, LLC. 20 EPA issued a Title V permit to Veo lia 21 on September 12th, 2008, and the permit became 22 effective on October 12th, 2008. Prior to issuing 23 the permit, EPA reviewed historical metal feedrat e 24 data supplied by Veolia. The term "feedrate"

25 describes the amount of waste that Veolia burns i nPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 10 1 its combustion units. EPA concluded that the data 2 provided by Veolia was not reliable for determining 3 feedrate limits (also called operating parameters 4 limits, or OPLs) for heavy metals such as mercury, 5 lead, cadmium, arsenic, chromium and beryllium. 6 Feedrate limits set the maximum amount of specific 7 types of waste - here, heavy metals - that Veolia 8 can feed into its incinerators per hour.

9 Because EPA found the data 10 unreliable, EPA issued Veolia's permit without 11 including feedrate limits for mercury, lead, 12 cadmium, arsenic, chromium or beryllium. However , 13 as required by the federal regulations governing 14 hazardous waste combustors, EPA included in the 15 permit a compliance schedule that required Veoliato 16 test all three combustors to develop feedrate limits 17 for emissions of mercury, low-volatile metals (that 18 is arsenic, chromium and beryllium) and 19 semi-volatile metals (that is lead and cadmium). 20 The permit required that Veolia 21 submit its test results and proposed feedrate limits 22 to EPA by September 26th, 2008. If EPA found the 23 proposed limits acceptable, EPA would propose to 24 reopen the permit to incorporate the limits 25 developed in, from the required performance tests ,PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 11 1 and would take public comment on the limits at that

2 time. 3 Veolia conducted comprehensive 4 performance tests in August and September of 2008. 5 On October 10th, 2008, EPA -- or Veolia submitted to 6 EPA the results of these tests, and an application 7 for modification to its Title V permit to 8 incorporate feedrate limits for mercury, 9 semi-volatile metals, and low-volatile metals, as 10 specified in the compliance schedule. 11 However, Veolia withdrew the 12 modification application on December 13th, 2012, 13 after receiving notice that EPA intended to deny the 14 application and to reopen the permit to add feedr ate 15 limits that EPA considered to be supported by the 16 available performance test data. 17 EPA is proposing to reopen the Tit le 18 V Permit for Veolia using EPA's Clean Air Act 19 authority to reopen permits for cause, to 20 incorporate heavy metal limits that EPA considersto 21 be supported by available performance test data. 22 This reopening is necessary to ensure that the 23 permit assures compliance with Title V of the Act 24 and its implementing regulations at 40 C.F.R. Part 25 71, and the National Emissions Standards forPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 12 1 Hazardous Air Pollutants, NESHAP, for Hazardous 2 Waste Combustors, 40 C.F.R. Part 63, Subpart EEE. 3 EPA also is proposing to supplement 4 monitoring requirements to assure compliance with 5 the proposed feedrate limits. 6 Under the proposed monitoring terms , 7 Veolia is required to install and operate a 8 multi-metals Continuous Emissions Monitoring System, 9 or CEMS, as one of -- on one of its incinerators, 10 Unit 3, for at least one year. A multi-metals CEMS 11 tests the air emitted during the incineration 12 process to determine the amount of mercury, 13 semi-volatile metals, and low-volatile metals in the 14 air and reports the results approximately once every 15 fifteen minutes. 16 The test results will help U.S. EPA 17 ensure the feedrate limits in the permit are 18 adequate to protect air quality. After a year of 19 running the CEMS, U.S. EPA believes it will have 20 enough information to determine if the feedrate 21 limits are appropriate, and Veolia will not be 22 required to use the multi-metals CEMS. 23 EPA has also proposed to improve 24 Veolia's feedrate analysis procedures. The 25 additional analysis procedures proposed by EPA wouldPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 13 1 supplement any other analysis procedures for 2 mercury, semi-volatile metals, and low-volatile 3 metals, as specified in Veolia's Feedstream Analys is 4 Plan, or FAP, and would supersede any less stringent 5 provisions in the FAP. 6 Incorporation of the additional 7 feedstream analysis procedures into the Title V 8 permit would not eliminate Veolia's obligation to 9 maintain an adequate FAP, consistent with federal 10 regulations for hazardous waste combustors. 11 As Ms. Pope noted, we will not answer 12 any questions or respond to any comments today, 13 however, after the close of the comment period we 14 will respond in writing to each written or oral 15 comment filed today, and any comment submitted 16 before the close of the comment period. Our 17 responses will be contained in a Response To

18 Comments document that we will distribute to each 19 person who files comments or requests and receive s a 20 copy of the final permit. Please note that only 21 portions of the permit that are being changed 22 because of the proposed action are open for comment 23 during the public comment period. 24 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Again, just 25 restating, if you'd like to make a public comment ,PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 14 1 you need to fill out one of these blue cards if you 2 have not done so, you need to fill out one of thes e

3 cards.

4 First commenter will be Kathleen 5 Logan Smith. 6 MS. KATHLEEN LOGAN SMITH: This is going t o 7 be fun for your reporter because I'm mostly going to 8 say whatever these people say. But I'm the Direct or 9 of Environmental Policy with the Missouri Coalition 10 For the Environment, and I wanted to -- my name i s 11 Kathleen Logan Smith, spelled just like it sounds , 12 and I wanted to thank EPA Region 5 for opening this 13 permit and for taking this opportunity to look at 14 these feedrates, because we're dealing with an 15 environmental justice community over here that's 16 bearing more than their share of environmental 17 pollutants, and I think that it's really important 18 that we make sure that we've done everything thatwe 19 can to make sure the Clean Act promises get 20 delivered to this community. 21 So I'd also suggest that we look at 22 putting CEMS monitors on all of the emissions 23 sources, all of the stats, at least for a time, t o, 24 because sometimes the performance, you know, cannot 25 be consistent across three different pieces ofPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 15 1 equipment. 2 So that's all I have to say right 3 now, and we'll give more comments in writing. Thank 4 you. 5 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Commenter Number 2, 6 Kathy Andria. 7 MS. KATHY ANDRIA: Good afternoon. My name 8 is Kathy Andria, A-N-D-R-I-A. I am president of 9 American Bottom Conservancy and Conservation Chair 10 of the Kaskaskia Group of the Sierra Club, both o f

11 which have members who live and recreate in East St. 12 Louis and surrounding areas that lie downwind of the

13 Veolia hazardous waste incinerate -- incinerator. 14 In 2004, both groups petitioned the 15 EPA administer -- administrator to object to the 16 proposed Title V operating permit for the 17 incinerator, then called Onyx. Our petition was 18 successful. EPA did object, and now has oversight 19 of the Veolia incinerator. In 2003 at the original 20 Title V hearing, we brought the agency's attention 21 to reports of a history of violations and accidents 22 at the plant. We told you that the lakes at Frank

23 Colton State Park lie not far downwind of the 24 incinerator, and that a number of people use the 25 lakes for subsistence fishing. We worried aboutPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 16 1 mercury emitted from the plant and being deposited 2 in the lakes and by accumulating in the fish. We 3 worried that other heavy metals from the incinerat or 4 could fall into area gardens and be consumed by 5 residents or ingested by children playing in the 6 dirt. Area yards had already shown high levels of 7 heavy metals such as lead and cadmium. We have a 8 high rate of cancer here, as well as elevated blood 9 lead levels in area children. We are pleased that 10 the EPA did a risk screening that substantiated

11 claims we had made. There is still subsistence 12 fishing at Frank Colton. Pregnant women and 13 children consume that fish. Due to our economy, 14 there are many more gardens in the area, and whil e 15 some residents have moved away, there are still 16 children who breathe the air and play in the dirt

17 downwind of this hazardous waste incinerator. And 18 we have just learned that elevated levels of PCB' s 19 have been newly discovered in yards in East St. 20 Louis and Sauget. 21 We very much appreciate that you are 22 proposing to require a Continuous Emissions 23 Monitoring System for heavy metals on one of the 24 incinerator units; what a wonderful start. But 25 given the facility's long history of noncompliance,PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 17 1 we worry that the company will simply shift metal 2 bearing waste streams to the other two units, and 3 especially since you are proposing the CEMS for ju st 4 a year, there are all sorts of ways for the company 5 to game the results. We believe that a hazardous

6 waste incinerator should never have been located i n 7 the middle of an urban population, especially with 8 so many vulnerable low income folks. We understand 9 the need for such a facility, but not there. Not

10 here. 11 So unless you decide to close the 12 facility, we ask that you require CEMS on all thr ee 13 units permanently. 14 We also appreciate that last year you 15 conducted an onsite compliance investigation and 16 found significant problems with Veolia's feedstre am 17 analysis where a high percentage of Veolia's wast e 18 stream profiles were found to be inaccurate. Veo lia 19 vastly underestimated the actual metals 20 concentrations in the waste stream and appeared not 21 to have an accurate system of analyzing waste 22 streams at all. We ask that you require analyzing 23 each waste stream with full and accurate reporting. 24 While this hearing appears to be limited to heavy 25 metals, given your findings about Veolia's lack o fPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 18 1 compliance and failure to accurately analyze waste 2 streams, we hope that you can also give attention to 3 PCB's and the deadly toxins, dioxins and furans, and 4 given its history and your findings from last year , 5 please continue to do periodic inspections such as 6 the one last year. Either that, or close the 7 facility down. There are too many children, too 8 many families who may be impacted by this facility 9 if it is allowed to operate without monitoring, 10 without limits, without supervision. There are t oo 11 many children and too many families who already may 12 have been impacted. 13 Thank you for your consideration o f 14 my comments, and I may have additional questions or 15 comments at a later time. 16 HEARING OFFICER POPE: I have a card up 17 here, I can't read the name, and I don't know if 18 it's Kathy or -- 19 MS. KRISTHY ST. HILAIRE: Kristhy. 20 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Kristhy? What's the

21 last name?

22 MS. KRISTHY ST. HILAIRE: St. Hilaire. 23 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Okay. All right. 24 The next commenter is Kristhy St. Hilaire. 25 MS. KRISTHY ST. HILAIRE: My last name isPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 19 1 St. Hilaire, S-T period, H-I-L-A-I-R-E. 2 Good afternoon. My name is Kristhy 3 St. Hilaire, and I'm student at the 4 Interdisciplinary Environmental Clinic at Washingt on 5 University School of Law. I'm speaking today on 6 behalf of the American Bottoms Conservancy. The 7 American Bottoms Conservancy is a nonprofit 8 organization that educates the public about threat s 9 to the environment. The American Bottoms 10 Conservancy actively works to protect and preserve 11 the air and water quality of the American Bottoms 12 area. The organization has over 100 members, with 13 many living in the Sauget area. 14 First, I would like to thank the EPA 15 for their hard work on the draft permit, and for the 16 opportunity to comment at today's hearing.

17 As EPA noted in the Statement of 18 Basis, the Veolia hazardous waste incineration 19 facility is located in an urban area of more than2 20 million people. Most of the residents who live

21 within three miles of Veolia are low income and 22 minority, and a third of these residents are livi ng 23 below the poverty level and a minority rate of 68 24 percent. These residents are disproportionately 25 affected by the emissions from Veolia and otherPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 20 1 industrial facilities in the area. This large 2 concentration of industry gives rise to concerns 3 over cumulative air quality impacts, and given the 4 area's demographics and environmental justice 5 concerns. Because of the potential adverse public 6 health impacts from the cumulative emissions 7 exposure, it's very important for regulators to 8 mitigate the dangers of these polluting plants, and 9 for these plants to strictly adhere to emissions 10 limits for harmful pollutants. 11 In this action to reopen Veolia's 12 Title V Permit, EPA is proposing to incorporate 13 heavy metal feedrate limits based on historical

14 feedrates and the feedrates from Veolia's 2008 15 performance testing. We agree with this approach 16 and believe EPA made the right decision when it 17 denied Veolia's request to extrapolate to higher

18 feedrate. Limits for low- and semi-volatile meta ls 19 based on the highest 12-hour rolling average Veol ia 20 feedrate over a multiyear period should not hinder 21 Veolia's routine day-to-day operations in any way

. 22 These limits strike a reasonable balance between the 23 company's need for operational flexibility and 24 protection of the environment and human health ina 25 disproportionately affected area. Limiting mercuryPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 21 1 to feedrates that performance testing has shown wi ll 2 not result in excess emissions is warranted, given 3 the special concerns about mercury deposition in and 4 around the lakes used for subsistence fishing

5 identified in EPA's own human health risk assessment 6 conducted for RCRA permitting. 7 However, we would like to point out 8 that the proposed mercury limits conflict with the 9 mercury limits in Veolia's RCRA permit. If Veolia 10 were to feed mercury continuously at the rate the 11 EPA is proposing, the amount of mercury fed to the 12 incinerators each year would exceed the limit of 3.6 13 kilograms per year specified in Veolia's state RCRA 14 Part B permit by approximately 93 kilograms. We

15 understand that the title -- the Title V and RCRA 16 permits are separate, and that the 3.6 kilograms per 17 year mercury (inaudible) -- 18 THE REPORTER: Excuse me. Could I ask you 19 just to speak up a little bit? 20 MS. KRISTHY ST. HILAIRE: Okay. 21 THE REPORTER: Thank you. 22 MS. KRISTHY ST. HILAIRE: However, the 23 mercury feedrate ultimately determines the amount 24 fed to the incinerators and, therefore, we urge the 25 EPA to consider further restricting the mercuryPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 22 1 feedrate limit in the Title V permit so as to redu ce 2 the likelihood of Veolia exceeding the limits set in 3 the RCRA permit. 4 In the current permitting action, EPA 5 is also proposing to supplement monitoring 6 requirements to assure compliance with the proposed 7 feedrate limits by requiring multi-metals continuous 8 emissions of monitoring systems, or CEMS, on one o f

9 Veolia's three hazardous waste incinerators. This 10 is unquestionably a step in the right direction. 11 However, we believe that A -- the EPA did not go far 12 enough, that the only way to assure compliance wi th 13 the proposed feedrate limits is to require CEMS at 14 all three incinerators instead of just the one un it. 15 According to the Statement of Basi s, 16 CEMS are the most direct means of ensuring -- 17 ensuring compliance with emissions limits, which 18 help protect the public health and the environment. 19 Veolia's current procedure for ensurance -- for 20 ensuring compliance with emissions limits, 21 feedstream analysis, poses several challenges. With 22 feedstream analysis, there are uncertainties 23 associated with the measurement of extremely low 24 metals concentrations in the waste. In addition, 25 the heterogeneity of the waste may lead to aPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 23 1 nonrepresentative sample, and hence, an inaccurate 2 estimate of the rate at which metals are being fed 3 into the incinerators. Finally, with the feedstre am 4 analysis, there is an inability to demonstrate 5 continuous compliance with regulatory emissions 6 limits, since there is generally considerable lag 7 time between sampling and analysis. 8 CEMS are the only way for Veolia to 9 ensure compliance with emissions limits. Feedstre am 10 analysis supplemented by periodic performance 11 testing does not work, because the feedstreams ar e 12 heterogeneous, which makes accurate estimation of 13 metal feedrates very difficult. According to the 14 Statement of Basis, some wastes burned by Veolia 15 have unknown composition because of -- because their 16 composition profiles have not been provided by the 17 respective waste generators. In many cases, Veol ia 18 relies on waste composition analyses supplied by 19 individual waste generators, but those analyses are 20 not always accurate. The EPA further states that 21 the performance testing that is conducted 22 periodically by Veolia provides only a snapshot o f 23 the emissions and does not necessarily represent 24 actual emission, actual emissions performances wi th 25 respect to all waste streams burned by VeoliaPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 24 1 throughout the year. Unless the EPA requires CEMS 2 on all three incinerators, EPA cannot be certain 3 that Veolia is in continuous compliance with

4 feedrate limits. 5 And additionally, we wonder whether 6 the CEMS monitors can be modified so that they, so 7 that they also monitor Units 2 and 3 simultaneousl y. 8 Incinerators 2 and 3 are based in one building with 9 a shared control room, waste and feed systems. Asa 10 result, their stacks are in very close proximity to 11 one another. Because of their proximity, it may be 12 possible to install only one multi-metal CEM that

13 can work for both of these combustion units. In 14 this case, Veolia would only have to purchase two 15 multi-metal CEMS instead of three, and this will 16 significantly reduce the financial burden, making 17 installing CEMS at all three combustion units mor e 18 feasible. 19 Another reason why CEMS should be 20 required on all incinerators at Veolia is becauseof 21 Veolia's history of violations and non-compliance

. 22 Most recently, Veolia received a Finding of 23 Violation in August of 2012 for violations of the 24 Clean Air Act after an onsite compliance 25 investigation conducted by EPA's NationalPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 25 1 Enforcement Investigations Center in December, 201 1. 2 EPA found significant problems with Veolia's 3 feedstream analysis, where a high percentage of 4 Veolia's waste profiles were found to be inaccurat e. 5 In some of these waste profiles, Veolia

6 underestimated the actual metals concentration in 7 the waste stream. Inspectors also found that Veol ia 8 used generic waste profiles for waste streams that

9 contain volatile and semi-volatile metals. The us e 10 of overly broad standard profiles leads to incorr ect 11 metals concentrations being used to calculate the

12 feedrates for the incinerators. Veolia also used 13 several profiles that use metal concentrations 14 identical to those used in other profiles, which is 15 statistically unlikely. Veolia's past record off ers 16 no basis to expect satisfactory performance in the 17 future. Because of the limitations of Veolia's 18 feedstream analysis, having a CEMS on just one 19 incinerator would not paint an accurate picture o f 20 Veolia's compliance with feedrate limits, because

21 what is burned in the one monitored incinerator i s 22 not representative of what is being burned in the 23 other, in the other two incinerators. All three of 24 Veolia's incinerators are fed a heterogeneous was te 25 stream, so a continued reliance on feedstreamPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 26 1 analysis for these units would continue to yield

2 inaccurate emissions rates. Because of Veolia's 3 compliance history, their heterogenous feedstream,

4 and its locations in the area with environmental 5 justice concerns, CEMS monitors should be placed on 6 all three units to ensure compliance with emission s 7 limits. 8 Additionally, considering the 9 substantial benefits of using CEMS, we believe that 10 their use should be required permanently at Veoli a 11 instead of the proposed one-year period. Veolia' s 12 feedstream changes from day to day, month to month, 13 and year to year, so a one-year trial period would 14 not ensure compliance in the future. 15 Our last point of confusion in the 16 draft permit we would like to -- we would like 17 clarified concerns beryllium. The original permi t 18 stated on Page 11 under Work Practice and 19 Operational Requirements that the permittee shall 20 not burn hospital waste -- hospital medical 21 infectious waste, municipal waste, or 22 beryllium-NESHAP containing waste. The word

23 "NESHAP" has been deleted from the condition in the 24 draft modified permit, presumably in an attempt t o 25 clarify the prohibition on burningPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 27 1 beryllium-containing waste, but we find the 2 condition even more confusing now than before. The 3 draft -- the draft modified permit now states that 4 Veolia cannot burn beryllium-containing waste whil e 5 simultaneously specifying feedrate limits for 6 low-volatile metals, which specifically include 7 beryllium. We request that EPA clarify the 8 prohibition on burning beryllium-containing waste in 9 condition 2.1(C)(1). 10 Thank you again for this opportuni ty 11 to speak. In addition to our comments at today's 12 hearing, we will be submitting written comments 13 before the end of the public comment period. 14 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Are there any other 15 comments at this time? Are there any other

16 comments? 17 (No response.) 18 MS. GENEVIEVE DAMICO: Let's go off the 19 record for a half hour and see if anybody comes. 20 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Unless Mr. Kellmeyer, 21 unless you want to do yours? Okay. Otherwise, 22 we're going to go off the record for about a halfan 23 hour. Okay? Thank you. 24 (Off the record at 3:42 p.m.) 25 (Recess)PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

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7 recessed another 30 minutes. 8 (Off the record at 4:16 p.m.) 9 (Recess) 10 (Back on the record at 4:50 p.m.) 11 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Our comment periodis 12 starting again, but we have no comments or any blue 13 cards, so what we'll do is recess another 30 14 minutes. Thank you. 15 (Off the record at 4:50 p.m.) 16 (Recess) 17 (Back on the record at 5:19 p.m.) 18 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Hello again, 19 everybody. I'm going to restart our comment peri od, 20 but since there are no blue cards, we'll do another 21 recess. Another 30-minute recess. Thank you. 22 (Off the record at 5:20 p.m.) 23 (Recess) 24 (Back on the record at 5:51 p.m.) 25 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Comment period wil lPUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

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3 comment. So we see there are no cards at this time, 4 so we'll recess another 30 minutes. Thank you. 5 (Off the record at 5:52 p.m.) 6 (Recess 7 (Back on the record at 6:20 p.m.) 8 HEARING OFFICER POPE: The public comment 9 period has opened again. We see there are no 10 comments at this time. The next public comment 11 period coming up will be the last one. So the next 12 public comment period will be the last time to make 13 your comments, otherwise we'll recess until -- for 14 30 more minutes. 15 (Off the record at 6:20 p.m.) 16 (Recess) 17 (Back on the record at 6:50 p.m.)

18 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Our next commenter 19 will be Joe Kellmeyer. 20 MR. JOSEPH KELLMEYER: No, I'm opening that 21 slot up, I'm not commenting. I'll comment only i n 22 writing. 23 HEARING OFFICER POPE: Okay, let the record 24 show Mr. Kellmeyer said he will be commenting in 25 writing.PUBLIC HEARING 2/19/2013

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2 commenters at this time? 3 (No response.) 4 Well, this concludes our hearing 5 tonight. Remember, if you did not give oral or 6 written comments tonight, the public comment period 7 ends on April 1st; and thank you for coming.

8 Let the record show that it is now 9 6:51 p.m. on February 19th, 2013, and the hearing 10 for the Veolia ES Technical Solutions, LLC, draft 11 operating permit is now closed. Thank you. 12 (Hearing adjourned at 6:51 p.m.)

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