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O nB e hal f o f th e Responden t - . GREGOR YWINTON , ESQ . of : Aviatio nLa wExperts , LL C On e Researc hCour t Suit e 45 0 Rockville , M D 2085 0 (301 ) 294-855 0

O nBehal f o f th e Complainant : 2ACHAR YHERMAN , ESQ . Attorney , Offic e o f th e Regiona l Counsel , AEA- 7 Easter nRegio n o f : Federa l Aviatio nAdministratio n 1 Aviatio nPlaz a Roo m56 1 Jamaica , N Y1143 4 (718 ) 553-325 8



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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : We ' r e o nth e

recor d i nth e matte r o f Diamon dAi r Charter . Thi s i s Docke t numbe r FAA-2010

- 0620 . Toda yi s Thursday , Januar y12th , 2012 , an d th e partie s hav e convene d b ytelephon e fo r a thir d litigatio nschedulin g conference .

Th e FA Ai s represente db yit s attorne yo f record , Zachar yBerman . Th e respondent , Diamon dAi r Charter , Inc. , i s represente d b yit s attorney , Gregor yWinton .

Goo dmorning , counsel . MR . WINTON : Goo dmorning . JUDG E SULLIVAN : I a mjus t goin g t o d o a littl e histor yfo r th e recor dan dthe n I' mgoin g t o as k yo u t o tel l m e ho wthing s ar e going . A s I understan di t thi s cas e ha s bee nwit hth e Offic e o f Administrativ e Hearing s sinc e approximatel yJun e 3rd , 2010 . Th e cas e wa s reassigne dt o m e o nJul y14 ,

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9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 2011 . W e ha d ou r firs t litigatio nschedulin g

conferenc e o nAugus t 10th , 2011 . Asecon d litigatio nschedulin g conferenc e wa s se t o n Septembe r 7 , 2011 , b yagreemen t o f th e parties . Prio r t o Septembe r 7 , 2 011 , th e partie s jointl yrequeste d a one-mont h continuanc e whic hwa s granted . Asecon d litigatio nschedulin g conferenc e wa s the nse t

u p fo r Octobe r 13 , 2011 .

O nOctobe r 13 , 2011 , ther e wa s a reques t t o continu e th e litigatio nschedulin g conferenc e agai nt o today' s dat e an dtim e t o accommodat e th e partie s reques t an dinteres t t o se e i f a settlemen t coul db e reache d becaus e o f th e potentia l dissolutio no f th e company . S o I ' mgoin g t o tur nt o yo u first , Mr . Berman , an das k yo u i f that , i nfact , ha s occurred . MR . BERMAN : W e hav e no t resolve d th e case . A t th e las t conferenc e Mr . Winto n

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 th e arbitration , Mr . Winto ninforme dme , wa s

postpone d unti l Januar y17th . That' s nex c week . An d following , ther e wil l b e som e tim e ther e wil l b e neede dfo r a decisio nt o b e made , s o i t look s lik e w e stil l nee d mor e tim e t o resolv e this .

MR . WINTON : Correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Well , le t m e as k yo u this . Whywa s th e arbitratio npostponed ? An d what , i nyou r opinion , an dI'l l addres s thi s t o you , Mr . VJinton . What , i nyou r opinion , wil l occu r a t th e arbitratio ntha t woul d impac t litigatin g th e cas e befor e thi s Court ? MR . WINTON : It' s interesting , Judge . Firs t o f all , I' mno t representin g Diamon d Ai r Charte r i nth e arbitratio nitsel f
s o I can' t spea k t o why , althoug hI wa s tol d tha t i t wa s postpone dbyrequest , I believe , byth e plaintif f i ntha t matter .

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Charte r wa s th e namesak e o f Joh nDiamond , wh o wa s a longtim e clien t o f mine . H e wa s me t by som e investor s wh o bough t int o share s o f stoc k o f Diamon d Ai r Charter , kep t th e nam e an dthe n the yle t hi m

go . An d th e arbitratio ni s actuall ya lawsui t betwee nth e no wstockholder s o f Diamon d Ai r Charte r an d Joh nDiamon dhimself , an d s o becaus e there' s a conflic t I ca nn o longe r represen t Mr . Joh nDiamon dhimself .

I d o represen t th e company , bu t becaus e it' s defunc t an d n o longe r operate s a s a nai r charte r servic e I' monl yrepresentin g i nthi s matte r alone . S o that' s th e dynami c o f wha t i s occurring .

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ym yclient , th e corporat e entity , tha t the ycan' t dissolv e th e corporatio neve nthoug hit' s no t doin g any business , becaus e i f the ydi dtha t effectivel y the ywoul d n o longe r hav e standin g a s a plaintif f i nth e arbitratio nagains t Joh n

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Wel l , jus t s o

tha t I understan d thi s clearly . You , Mr . Winton , hav e represente d Joh nDiamon dbot ha s
a nindividua l an d a s a busines s owne r i n th e past ? MR . WINTON : Correct .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : You , Mr . Winton , stil l hav e a agen t relationshi p a s a n attorne y wit hMr . Diamond , bu t no t i n thi s cas e that' s befor e thi s Administrativ e Cour t today .

MR . WINTON : Actuall ythough , wha t happene d wa s onc e th e investor s cam e i n an d brough t share s o f stoc k o f Diamon dAi r Charter , I the nrepresente dth e corporatio nn o longe r representin g Joh nDiamon d individually .

An d onc e h e wa s le t g o fro mth e corporatio nI wa s the nconflicte dfro m representin g hi mpersonall yo r a s a corporat e membe r o f Diamon dAi r Charter . S o I onl y represen t th e corporat e entit ya t thi s poin t whic hi s virtuall ydefunct .

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay , th e entit y

basicall yevolve d fro mth e corporat e entit ya t th e beginnin g o f th e business ' creation . An d i t move d int o a nentit ytha t h e himsel f wa s no t involve d in , bu t yo u continue do nwit h you r representatio nt o th e corporat e entit y eve nthoug hMr . Diamon dwa s n o longe r involved . MR . WINTON : I d o represen t th e corporat e entity . Mr . Diamon dwa s involve d wit hth e corporatio na s a minorit yshareholde r an d stil l i s .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay , bu t you r primar yallegianc e a s counse l i s t o th e corporatio nan dno t t o Mr . Diamond ?

MR . WINTON : Correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d s o you r representatio ntoda yi s fo r th e corporation . Diamon d Ai r Charter ?

MR . WINTON : Correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d tha t Diamon d Ai r Charte r a s I understan d it , i s o r i s no t

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schedule dfo r nex t week ?

MR . WINTON : Yes , the yar e involved . It' s th e shareholder s o f th e corporat e entit ywhic hinclud e Mr . Diamon d himsel f an dth e othe r investors .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dbecaus e o f you r prio r representatio nan dcontac t o f Mr . Diamond , you , yoursel f canno t represen t you r client . Diamon dAi r Charter , i ntha t arbitratio no r i ntha t litigation ?

MR . WINTON : Correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . An d i n term s o f th e arbitratio nitsel f fro mwha t you'v e bee ntellin g me , thi s i s th e firs t ste p o f perhap s a ver ylon g litigatio nproces s betwee nthos e tw o parties ?

MR . WINTON : Correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : I nthi s arbitratio nar e yo u aware , an d yo u ma yno t be , ar e yo u awar e o f wher e i t coul d potentiall y lead ? Fo r example , i s i t goin g t o potentiall y

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up i nth e federa l court s i f th e arbitratio n doe s no t completel yresolv e th e disput e betwee nth e parties ?

MR . WINTON : I can' t spea k t o that . I reall ydon' t kno wmyself .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Ho wi s it , i n you r opinion , the ntha t postponin g litigatio n i nthi s particula r cas e coul db e helpful ? An d th e reaso nI as k tha t i s becaus e it' s possibl e tha t arbitratio ni s jus t th e firs t o f man y litigatio nstep s fo r th e partie s i na differen t forum .

An d i t i s no t uncommo na s yo u kno w fo r case s tha t ar e bein g litigate dt o tak e fou r t o te nyear s t o resolv e dependin g o nho w man yappeal s ar e lodge dan d where .

S o wha t advantag e i s ther e i nyou r opinio nt o askin g fo r anyfurthe r continuanc e o f thi s matter ?

MR . WINTON : Well , I thin k th e advantag e woul db e that , yo u know .

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governmen t certainl yan dbehal f o f th e publi c transportatio nOffic e o f Hearings .

O nth e issue s o f judicia l economy , realisticall yl don' t se e th e litigatio n concernin g th e shareholder s goin g o nfo r muc h longer . Ther e ar e n o asset s i nth e corporation . I t i s defunct . It' s no t operatin g a s a nai r charter. I nfact , the y don' t hav e a certificat e anymore .

S o th e interes t tha t th e FA Aha s i nthi s matte r tha t we'r e talkin g abou t righ t no war e a littl e t o none , becaus e eve ni f the y tak e th e defaul t judgmen t I thin k we ' r e talkin g abou t $1,10 0 here .

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and there' s n o interes t i nth e FA Ahavin g a violatio no nth e recor do f a compan ytha t n o longe r hold s a certificate . S o i t woul d b e a futil e attemp t t o reall yresolv e nothing . i f th e governmen t wer e willin g t o sta ythi s proceeding , and I wouldn' t rais e an ydefens e



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estoppel , bu t laches' , I thin k we' d b e abl e t o resolv e th e arbitratio nan dthe ncom e bac k t o thi s an d dismis s i t eventuall ybyagreemen t o f th e parties .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Than k you . Mr . Berman , let' s tur nbac k t o you . Wha t advantage , i f any , i nyou r opinion , i s ther e t o anyfurthe r postponemen t o f th e litigatio n i nthi s case ?

MR . BERMAN : Well , we'v e alread y indicate d tha t we' db e willin g t o withdra wth e complain t i f it' s evidence dtha t Diamon d Ai r ha s dissolve d a s a corporation .

An d I wa s .unde r th e impressio n tha t thi s arbitration , t o ge t tha t resul t thi s arbitratio nwoul db e needed . Bu t wha t I' m hearin g fro m

Mr . Winton , fro myou r exchang e wit hMr . Winton , I' mno t clea r a s t o whethe r tha t issu e wil l resolve da s a resul t o f thi s arbitration . I nothe r words , th e dissolutio n o f th e corporation . S o bac k t o you r question .

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hearin g violations .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Well , le t m e as k yo u this , Mr . Berman . Hav e yo u ha da chanc e t o tal k t o Mr . Winto nrecently , prio r t o thi s ne wlitigatio nschedulin g conferenc e abou t th e statu s o f th e case , o r wa s th e las t conversatio nth e tw o o f yo u ha di nOctobe r o f 2011 ? MR . BERMAN : W e exchange da coupl e o f email s recentl ywher e I aske dhi mwhat' s goin g o nwit hth e arbitratio nan dh e sai dit' s goin g t o b e hel d on , yo u know , h e ha dtol dm e previousl yi t woul d b e postpone d an dthe nh e tol d m e i t woul db e Januar y17th . An dals o w e ha d som e emai l exchang e wher e h e sai dtha t i t woul d tak e som e tim e afterward s t o rende r a decisio nafte r th e arbitration .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dMr . Winton , I ' mgoin g t o tur nbac k t o you . Wh yd o yo u hav e an yconfidenc e a t thi s poin t tha t th e arbitratio nwil l resul t i nsom e typ e o f

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o f you r client ?

MR . WINTON : Well , I'v e bee ntol d bybot hsides , bot hMr . Diamon dwh o call s m e t o giv e m e a statu s repor t an d Diamon dAi r Charter , sinc e the yar e al l shareholders , tha t becaus e there' s n o mone yasset s o r intende d busines s purpos e o f Diamon dAi r Charter , jus t spendin g mone yo nlitigatio nthroug hattorney s representin g bot hi s goin g t o b e a wast e o f everybody' s tim e an d resource .

S o ther e i s n o interes t i n continuin g a busines s relationshi p betwee nth e stockholders , an d becaus e the ydissolve dth e asset s an d gav e awa yth e certificat e bac k t o th e FAA , surrendere d i t fo r cancellation , ther e i s n o likelihoo dtha t the ywil l eve r continu e unde r tha t name .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : D o yo u hav e a cop yo f th e surrenderin g o f th e certificat e o r som.eone wh o ca nasser t byaffidavi t o r declaratio ntha t tha t ha s occurre d an d whe ni t

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MR . WINTON : Mr . Berma nalread y ha s that . I t wa s don e withou t m yknowledge . The ysurrendere di t t o th e FA Adirectl yan d Mr . Berman ' s wel l awar e o f tha t . H e wa s involve d in-tha t I understand , I believe . I s tha t right ?

MR . BERMAN : Well , I wasn' t involve d i ni t bu t I wa s mad e awar e tha t the y surrendere d thei r certificat e t o th e office .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dMr . Berman , turnin g bac k t o you , d o yo u kno wwhe ntha t occurred ? MR . BERMAN : I don ' t hav e th e exac t date . I t wa s a whil e ago .

MR . WINTON : Ove r a yea r ago , I believe . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Mr . Winton , I'l l ge t bac k t o you .

Mr . Berman , whe nyo u sa ya whil e ago , ca nyo u tel l m e i f tha t wa s befor e

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 Octobe r 13 , 2011 , o r after ? MR . BERMAN : I woul d sa yi t wa s before . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d d o yo u hav e a cop yo f tha t voluntar yrelinquishmen t o f th e certificat e an dth e attendin g paperwor k i n you r fil e fo r thi s case ?

MR . BERMAN : d o hav e documentatio ntha t they've , I don' t kno wi f I hav e th e actua l surrende r lette r bu t I d o hav e documentatio ntha t the yvoluntaril y surrendere d thei r certificate .

I nfact , tha t wa s a facto r i nou r posi t io ntha t we' db e wi11in g to , yo u know , we' d thro wou t th e complain t i f there' s proo f

o f dissolutio no f th e corporation .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dremin d m e agai nexactl ywha t proo f you'r e lookin g for .

MR . BERMAN : Well , som e kin d o f certificat e fro mth e state .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : S o essentiall y you'r e sayin g tha t th e company' s voluntar y

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insufficient ? Tha t yo u wan t somethin g confirmin g tha t th e busines s i s completel y dissolve d fro mth e stat e itself ?

MR . BERMAN : That' s correct . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d wha t kin d o f paperwor k d o yo u generall yge t fro mth e stat e tha t yo u nee d t o hav e i nthi s cas e tha t yo u don' t have ?MR . BERMAN : Som e kin do f certificate , som e kin do f officia l document s fro m th e stat e statin g tha t they'r e dissolved .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d whe nyo u sa y som e kin d o f certificate , d o yo u kno wth e nam e o f i t o r ar e jus t guessin g tha t that' s wha t th e stat e woul doffe r t o you ?

MR . BERMAN : I don' t kno wth e

exac t name . I believ e it' s calle da certificat e o f dissolution .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . An di n you r experience , ho wdoe s th e busines s g o abou t doin g that ?

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1 0 1 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 8 1 9 2 0 2 1 2 2 MR . BERMAN : I don' t kno who wthe y

d o this . Yo u know , w e don' t ge t involve d wit h that . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . M r . Winton ^ I' mgoin g t o tur nbac k t o you . You'v e indicate dtha t th e compan yan dth e shareholder s o f th e companyhav e n o intentio n o f proceedin g a s a busines s o r holdin g themselve s ou t a s a busines s makin g mone yo r losin g mone ya s a business .

I s ther e som e reaso ntha t yo u kno w o f tha t tha t reques t t o th e stat e corporat e entit yha s no t occurred ?

MR . WINTON : Yes , I wa s tol d tha t i f the ydissolve dth e corporatio nwit hth e Stat e o f Ne wYor k the ywoul dn o longe r hav e standin g a s a plaintif f i nth e arbitratio n becaus e i t would , yes , that' s th e problem .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dho wlon g i n you r opinio ni s th e arbitratio ngoin g t o last , i f yo u know ?

MR . WINTON : I don' t know , bu t i n

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involve d wit hi t coul d b e a one - t o three-da y arbitratio nan dthe nth e arbitrato r ca ntak e

u p t o 9 0 day s t o rende r a writte ndecision , fro m m yexperience . Bu t I hav e n o ide a i n thi s cas e wha t wil l happen .

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an ywa ywha t th e issue s ar e i nth e arbitration ?

MR . WINTON : I believ e the y involv e almos t lik e a shareholde r derivativ e action , bu t agai nI haven' t see nth e complain t

s o I don' t know . An d that' s th e exten t o f m y knowledge . JUDG E SULLIVAN : D o yo u hav e an y ide a ho wmuc hmone yi s i ncontes t i nthi s arbitration ?

MR . WINTON : I don ' t , bu t I d o kno wtha t th e corporatio nha s n o asset s so , yo u know , if , I jus t don' t know .

JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay . D o yo u know , an dI' mjus t asking , I kno wyo u ma yno t

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MR . WINTON : No , it' s mor e i nlin e o f lik e I mentioned , o f a shareholde r derivativ e actio nwher e som e o f th e shareholder s ar e allegin g tha t anothe r on e acte d mayb e outsid e th e fiduciar ydut yan d cause d damag e t o th e corporatio nan d devalue d it , bu t agai nnothin g specifi c becaus e I haven' t see nth e complaint .

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MR . WINTON : No , I don't . JUDG ESULLIVAN : It' s m y

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MR . WINTON : I woul dprefer , Judge , primaril yt o sta yth e proceeding s by agreemen t o f th e parties . However , yo u know , i f that' s no t acceptabl e the nyes , th e 9 0 day s a t a minimumI woul dcertainl yb e willin g and appreciat e as" a consideration .

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MR . WINTON : No , th e 15t hi s fine . actually . JUDG ESULLIVAN : 

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MR . BERMAN : M yschedul e i s ope n fo r thos e day s .

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Mr . Winton , i s tha t acceptabl e t o you ? MR . WINTON : Tha t i s acceptable . Judge . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d Mr . Berman ?

MR . BERMAN : Yes , JUDG E SULLIVAN : An d wha t I ' d like , Mr . Winton , i s fo r yo u t o contac t Mr . Berma nprio r t o th e tim e an dgiv e hi ma complet e updat e o f wha t yo u kno wabou t th e arbitratio nt o se e i f there' s a possibilit yo f resolvin g th e matte r befor e yo u com e befor e

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I f I don' t ge t thos e kind s o f paper s the nI'l l b e callin g m ystaff , o f cours e they ' 1 1 b e callin g bot ho f yo u an d we'l l reconven e o nTuesday , Ma y15 , 201 2 a t 10:0 0 a.m . Easter nTim e fo r furthe r conversation s abou t ho wt o handl e thi s case.

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MR . BERMAN : No . JUDG E SULLIVAN : An dMr . Winton , o nbehal f o f Diamon d Charter ?

MR . WINTON : Nothing , Judge , than k you . JUDG E SULLIVAN : Okay , than k yo u bot hver ymuc hfo r you r presenc e today . I t appear s ou r busines s i s complete . W e ca ng o of f th e recor dan dI wis hyo u a goo dday .

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