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Subject: Iteeting Called by Captain W. A. Wright, USN, Deputy 

Chlei', PROD, re NSA-CIA Lialson and Interchange of' 

Ini'orma ti on. 

1. On 11 Deceober at 0900 a meeting was held in the 

office of the De?uty Chief', Production, to discuss problems 

experienced by NSA in procuring information from CIA on Foreign 

COMI:HT Organizations and Activities. Present at the meeting 

were Captain W. A. Wright, USN, Deputy Chief, Production; I I nr. F. Herczog, Chief, Field Operations 

Direction Group; I·.'Ir. Fred d'. \"Joodrough, Jr., Chief, Liaison 

Control Section, Production; Lieutenant Colonel D. W. I.'IcKinney, 

USAF, Chief, HSA-764; Lieutenant Colonel Ren6 Tallichet, USA, 

Assistant Chief', NSA-764; and Mr. li'rancis A. Rupp, ·NSA-7641. 

2. Captain Wrir;ht opened the meeting by requesting 

NSA-764 representatives to outline the purpose and work 

accomplished by NSA-7641 and he requested a reviev1 of l'TSA-CIA 

relations in procuring intelligence from CIA for the Foreign 

COUIITT research group. This information was given by r.Ir. Rupp, 

who Made reference to a file containing requests to CIA for 

informa tio:n on Foreign cm.!Il'ifT Organizations. Many requests 

submitted to CIA by NSA-7641 have remained unfulfilled due to 

the f ollovJing r cas ons: eclassifi ed and approved for release by NSA on 

9-29-2014 ursuantto E.O. 13526 

a. CIA stated that all suitable infor.mati on on Foreign 

COMIUT Organizations is given to NSA. 

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c. CIA stated that since personnel i'rom the various desl{S 

in CIA were not cleared i'or COI.'IINT. it would be impossible 

for 1'TSA personnel to directly consult with them. 

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e. CIA stated, in reply to a question on the i'easibility oi' 

NSA-764 analysts looking at tho i'iles or CIA, that this 

proposal would not 11work out", because of security 

matters affecting CIA sources of information. 

~.ir. Rupp stated that many of' the questions asked of 

CIA remained unanswered and that not even a negative reply had 

been received. 

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4. A meeting between the heads of the Intelligence 

Support Brar.ch, Counter-espionage Section and NSA-7641 was 

suggested by a USA-764 repre"Sentati ve. L-------'tagreed that 

such a meeting might be desirable, but suggested that .he first 

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to try to determine the best method of ei'£ccting a closer 

liaison and an exchange of :l,nteliigence and information on 

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Foreign Cm.UNT and related ef'forts. PL 86-36/50 use 3605 

5. Captain Wright asli:ed NSA-764 representatives if' 

infor.m.ation was available 1 and research was ..actively \.und.er 

way 

1.!r. Rupp, NSA-7641, replied that information was available and 

being accumulated but that a study was not now being prepared. 

Captain Wright directed that such a study be prepared and that 

inf'or.m.ation requirements f'or such a study be forwarded to CIA 

via Ur. r:oodrough., Chief 1 Liaison Control .Section, Production. 

6. Captain Wright f'urther directed that a revised EEJ, 

containing the types of information desired by the Foreign 

COMINT Section, be furni shea by that Section to NSA-062 before 

the £irst of' the year. 

7. It was sugge,sted by Captain Wright that priority 

also be given/ / 

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Captain Wright that additional personnel might be made available 

f'or this ef'fort if necessary. 

8. Mr. H. Herczog· raised the question of where he was to 

obtain information concerning cryptologic targets of' foreign 

countries. He asked i :r HSA-062 1 NSA-0621 or :trn>.-7641 had this 

information. It was pointed out by Captain Wright that he should 

consult !'!r. c. c. Tevis, COMI:tTT Coordinator, to ascertain the 

source of' the information. r.~r. Herczog vrn-s advised that NSA-7641 

was t:;he repository for such.in.formation. 

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9. The Chief, Field Operations Direction Group, raised 

the question of whether NSA-7641 would be able to furnish 

information on the status of current negotiations wtth third 

parties. It was determined that NSA-062 was the source of such 

information. Captain \'/right stated, however, that all pertinent 

information of this nature should be made available to MSA-764.l 

by USA-062. 

10. Af'ter the departure of/ .... _______________ ___.A 

at 0945, Captain Wrie;ht asked for the status of work under way 

in USA-764 in collecting Soviet telecormnunications information. 

Lieutenant Colonel UcKinney, Chief', NSA-764, replied that 

Lieutenant Commander John Gibson, USMR, was working full time on 

this project and that satisfactory progress was· being made. 

Captain Writ;ht directed tha.t Lieutenant Commander Gibson not be 

assigned any additional duties, since he was most anxious to 

have this information as soon as possible. 

11. The question of passing information of interest to 

the which had been obtained 

i'rom CI Eulletins, was raised. Captain Wright; stated that it 

would be permissible for NSA-7641 to bring such information 

directly to the attention o~-------------------

12. The meeting was adjourned at 0955. 

Coordination: 

Wesley A. Wright, 

Capt. , US!-! 

Mr. Fred c. Woodrough, Jr. 

Don w. McKinney 

Lt. Col. , USAF 

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