l''lP S~d:IJI '&NOii - SJil:tBIR Jt.POla.ll'IOll 

YIIUTb.S 1P TJJlRC .MKB'IIm 

m co•:PJmDB 

Y.Rl..MJH C 3.l.IUlllCA!lilHS S1·.CUR1'1'! C:>IFWl.b.lCOB 

1000 'MU"'9D,\Y, m MT. 19tia 

lloom 19-22'2J;, U. s. ?l.\Y,\L S~URl'l'Y S'l'A1'I'll 

r: ASJIJ.:;G!' ~I, Ii .C • 

Thme PL'O•d w.-Re: 

Iii-. ''· 1. hl.tmanr NS.A, Cha11'm8D 

II''• R. P. •aoJnlNI St;ate1 

lk. it.. H. God el ( mD) Ml'. s. t. CQ.lta (PSI) 

111'. F. !. Ka11lett (CIA) Capt;. ft. L. 'l'a7lca-, USB (Bav7) 

Capt;. o. Ol'anre, US'll (J1av1> 

Col. rt.. r •• ShWbUl'D, tBA (AnaJ') 

L1i. Col. J. •· Anduaon, lB,\P C '\11' FOl'ae) 

tt. ~. !. 'IJlon71>en7, J~o, Seo~et•l'J (MSA) 

EA Obauivua 

r~·. L. .b: • Shinn ~. L. Y:. 'l'arde11a 

T'i-. II. J • StUk8J 

11.L". P19aalc AW11rlD 

~·. 'l' • A • l'01J'B01d 88 

II'". l'. A. Raven ' 

I 

1. 'l'be minute• ot the seed ••tlng we.re ccmaldu•..S 

and p.11.•.a,,.rapb 5 cm-Reoted aa tollma: 5(c) •a• deleted 

t£•om the a:lnut ea s the ward "ma..·e" !n the pal'aap•aph heading •s chsngec! to '•e.ad "botb"; an ail'd!titonal 

aentonoe ma added aa a cmamt; on Che mole pa£'apapb "•~bethu Col. Bkok am hla Ol'gcanlzalifon have been 

involved ln !m~vlng Promh Securlt;7 1• ocmJeotur11l. n 

'lhe mlnutea •~• bn •PJ>l'OVed a.a co~.reoted. 

2. 'l'hc Cba1nan 'liben "'aqueated tbe vie• at the 

contel'e• on the E-&11 tle'b poa1ttan paper. It- "11:.&8 the 

conaeneua tba t t ml'• bid no'li been auttlctent tim to 

a1iud7 the &-epOL•t, but that St a;'Po•u.•ed to tGL'm a tlztm 

ba•1• rar d1aoua•1on. 

~. The Chalnan said t~...at he bad called tbe ••'lDR 

· tr. the purpoee ot obtalnlng 11 us vlewpoln' on 'libe 

1 

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:S.1tileb pape19. Bo •'•tied tiba' In bl• oplDS.on UUll'• ••• 

no' t;oo muob dl VUP.erill • between the 1:-191 tlab paa1 tilaa. 

papei- ant the l'o1J&o1d•• i-epart;, pofntilng oat t;be 

ul'1••1i• oonaequem• ot the aotlan A·t0--nded b7 ••b 

PIP• would be tm •-.. vb,I I fl'O• th•• 

aou.roea, and tibat die •JOI' queatlcm, t;bei-etON, 

merel7 waa bar taet we ehould pi-ooeed w1 th the a'tiepe 

to be taken to lmsa-cwe the oo-.m1aat1on aeodl'St7 ot 

Franoe ant athe&- IMl'O •lllb••· Be noted tibat tba UK 

1:;1:::;;~'b•t; al;•: •bQuld ~· .~.k::.1::!!8. =!I: 

a a t 111 pm !an •o-d tio be to take •tiepe 

b7 a padual n educuatlve• pl'Ooeaa, ••n1ftR that; the 

aame end-i-eault would be accompllahed bu• 'Che p&-oa•• would extea1 ave .. • a lo1¥J:'[ pgt.od ot t;l• dur11'18 •hloh 

•• could pe.&'baPll oontilnue _ 1fl'O• . thoa 8 80Ul'OU. . o 3. 3 (h) (2) 

/ P4 86-36/50 USC 3605 

' 

4. !he Chainan continued b7 aoJiftf! th:at altibouab 

tiba m pap el' bad been caetullJ d.ratted be oona ldel'ed 

that. the .a.• apart contained oaa glanna waalme••. Be •'-'1111 tob1a .... 1me .... be1118 1o11e .,.,_ml::"°''1111 b7 taot•, •tha\ wue tb!• aourae or 1eaase __ _ __ I . "'emned, tbe R••laaa oo"1M n°' cb fiat n cm .. - tm-l'lltlon bJ _pbJaloal •am.• (S•• Pu. a, lnti .. 190• 

cfuo~ on, DOC/6"1) lk•. lolJ•old• ao1m1ented that 

the aaaump'1on 'bat: penet,atlon neva ocaU&'a ••• 

tantaatlo, and paA-tloula&-lJ •f.tb '•S•.rd t.o p,•anoa. 

H! added '"*' peDefil'a tl an bJ' the Brl 'l•h bad bean 

axe ellent ln the pa a ti. 

6. ID .a.•eaponee to a A"equeati b7 tbe Cba lftan, 

M.r. PolJ'ZOldee pi-eaent;ed hla pu••onal vl••• on tba 

I!l'it:teh papal', not!ns that he bad notr bad aat.tlolem 

t1 me to 8 t:ud7 !t O&l'efUllJ. Ba II tat ed that; he found 

it dlftloult to "elau;a ti ha faote to the oonoluatom, 

and •• a .i•eaulfi coald not; ·~•• w1 th tbe '·eoomaatS.ona. r lie a aid tba t; he bad the .teellDR tiha t tbe UK · waa t1'7111!; to 1¥'09• a point wl th •tei-lal whlob caald 

not be ua ad tor ti"..a t pUl'poee, all! •• a 198JlUlti tha 

i1.•ep0l"i contained du.nge19oua 11ene"·alltl••· t:=Ha 1185 811 

ti)aa•4:n aeaebl98 a deq1 ''"' 81 f;p *et P*l'a ,. 18118 

§E!¥f;:;~~;;,_;;;e;~§ 

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'!SP SB'iJR&! GRB• = BiSElB I•WJ91 PL .. 86-36/50 USC 3605 

the papal' to oarl'eot al11ple •I••• ot oo..udoattom 

p.rooadU&"•. In conoludlng, be added bt;/t;be ol'lfiloal 

iwobl• aoaaened ••• 'h• d•nau 'lio OUI' cmsm b~ t:m 

lntna1on Jnto 1 .... ------------------

8. Ml'. Aua1iln atated that be oon•ldU'ed tbe min 

dlttu-enoe between tbe m pmltlon . ...s the Pol.,.old• l'epmt t;o be a d ltt•eaa• ta tiillllng and a c! lttumoe 

ln bm t;o make an appl'aaob. I• added tbat be did not , comld• t'bl Brlfileb bad t;he raot• tio auppOl't tbeil' 

aonoluai ... He l'equeatet t;bat/ ... PolJ&Old• 

elabara'lie an hla lAaa't at•'••• aonae•Dll8 C'>•SS. 

J1r • Po1JSD1d • l'eplled flia t bt W&8 GODO UD9G wl tb tibe 

PL90BI'••• ··- ot ~s.. ,,.,. ot eduoat;1on tar nbel' 

mt;lou. Be aald t;hy,t; la• cfld not oonaldv lt neoeesar7 

to I I abm ot;bel' mt!om bOll to 

ua tbi Bigalln p.l-op8&'17. 11.r. Aua t;ln liben apeed t;ba t; 

tihe app1aaoh ebould be tro do 'llbat; ... neoe••U7 tta-ouab 

COllSBC. ' 

7. The Cba1ziman tban d1• tl'lbuted to ,._ oont•••• 

• PIPV (TAB 1) prepa&-ed bJ" D&-. 8b1na ••ttS.llg fOl'tib bl• 

vie•• or 1;m UK papu. At,ter a brief pa.ruaal lt ••• 

dlaouaa-9 ln detail bf .m oontueea • . 8. !he Cbalnan tben 1nqulnd !t an1 of tbe aoatuoea had susre•tlona fol' l'eocmnaadat!om t;o be •d• 

to tBCD. Ill'. Paola.rd 1119opoaed tm tollQllllW •eom• 

mmdatlom 1 

a. !ba ti ihe ooat••ao• be held •• plaan81! o 

bo '.rbat; neltibel' 'OSCIB DCI&' ISC adop•, pl'! Cl&' t;o 

tbe acntel'enoe, a tbed pmltlon •• to t• 

atiepa to be t;akm t;o !mp.rote Pl'emb •nil 

ot;bel' KATO melb el'a' COllSBC. 

a. 'lbat the Bl'ltillb be Snto.nad tart;bwltb tbat 

the IB d•l•e• to ateD! tbe agenta to 

lmlu:te a '•view ot all oonolualon• l'UObed 

at 1951 ooateNnoe, and that t~b PIP• 

(DOC/344.1) togethel- wit b our paper (Pol7so1dea 19ep0l'ti) be •ad •• • baas. 

tOlf d :ta ousalon. 

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av~~lit'~ ~ 

'1!01 =lS!~:c~=-= SICli'I caa - 1:1!£all'R I•9Ml'R911 

d. That; USCJB ebould aoo•P' tbe ad boa 

Ccmm1tte• 'epol't; •• a pa~tlal ba•l• ff1' 

d1aoma1on •1th the UK dalepttm;, ••nl• 

tilae the ..:epOl"t ad balllll 1t t0&-'1lw1"1 

to the SmlOI' Bl'l•lab L1alaon ottloezi 

(Brlg. Tll'9mn). 

The oont•••• &peed ttat tiba•• zieooamaadatlam aboulc1 

be pj!!eaant;ed to IBCIB. It •• turtiha.a• apeed tbati a 

mmsarandma abould be peepa&-ed t• tiba algaatue ~ tim 

Cbatzi•n, 'tBCIB, to be ad to SBLO, noti1fJlD8 Ida ot 

tbe above. 

9. !'ha neat; meetilag ot tbe oont••• ••• acb9da19d 

tOI! oezo, 'l'uMdaJ, June I, 19U, at; tibe ••• looat:lon. 

Theiie •2• no turt;bel' bua1ne•• to oo• bafGl'e t:be ••ti1ng. The ••tilng adjoUl'ned at; 1286. 

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'l'OI' l 1!>::1tt. r G0?'71~1JTS ON UK }\1~tTIOM P~PE"l a'6fJYlrE'l'Y ll'fCJil:iYl:'iJ1 ·1 

1. The subjC'ct 1JO.per is noteworthy not eo rm.1c:-h for it:!' c-onvinr.:in(' 

U..'\ture 1 ns (or i ta evideucsa or a l:!C'lllpletely ceyatal.ir.ed and r icid .Bri t1 ih 

position. 

2. Tbe portions deal.ng v.lth mechan:t.Em can be ignored at this tun 1 

eincc tlley are secondary to the mu.in question which is wneth<"r or 11ot 

thJs Rtep should be taken. ---·-· · · '" "-----·--·-----

j. It appears trnm the paper a.a a whole that the U.K. ;f.s convinc"n: 

' A. That the :Insecurity of 'BATO national ci rs is of more 

value to Russ .. a 

11. '.rhat Buss La could obt.'iin the information c.: :.:: t b7 no 

otmr means. Eo 3 . 3 ( h) ( 2 ) 

PL 86-36/50 USC 3605 

~ T"ne.t tbia :cemrl.raa thnt w 11neguiyoce.11f IJ8.Crificc al·.l I_ JVi tbout fUrther 

lay. 

If.. Point 3A above is elaborateil 1q>0n at le~ in Appendix A, in 

a B'\.lrVey somewhat similar to that prepared by the Ad.Hoc Cai11Dittce ot UlJCIB. 

The surveys are different in that theirs is basetl ir • 

n n ack of a.ny specific spR.n of """"::l:~D'=ie=--ir::n:-z'C'=" ...... .,,,....~~r-=-'='!!C"e~r""'e"""aa,.,.....~ u.s. study coverer! a. six month period. 

Exa.m"ne.tion of c:lted examples reve&l.o tha.1. their selection ia cOIWidera.bly 

less rigid in terms of what ia dalna3in3. I think it probabl~ tha,t exnr1ir.o. .... 

tion of' the complete texts would reveal many instances of 1neasa~s whirh 

sound serious in the extrac•t but are rather trivial in the whole. Some 

arr highly questionable even from the extract, as for example: 

Annexure 2 item lt.c 

11.4 

... ti 

lt.t 

5b 

... 

5c (30 Jan 53'· ) 

t ' -\!:S. bfi\&~M:ett,, 6~ Annexure 4 item lf.c 

AnneX11re 6 1 tem lf.c 

Ar.nexure 7 1 tem 3b 

?"iV•?t'ti"clcr:.a there !a no doubt that a quant! tat:l:vely small but 

,,,. y,.art.rcloss reol. leakaae or int.ellil!oJDCe ib t'llting place. With respect ...... 

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PL 86-36/50 USC 3605 i.IJ~-::h~:rtr J.I'• I jliiJ '" J 

.( !Ji the U .K •• L'OE!S so far n.s to state th.-1t the a11t01mt. ir 

s1m1. In tbis 4 in the appraisal. of potenttaJ,, tho u.::;. an,1 U.K. Brf! 

essential.17 BgE"eed. .The divergonces are in esf;iru:.1.tes of deuee. 

5. Point 3'3 is the tundame11tal questiomnark :ln the o.t. poo1.t1.on. 

'!'his statement made without qualifice.tion or i'urtber comment in ony rorm. 

represents an assumption rather than a tact. Th~s assmitption runs count.rr 

to tm! know: 

:!.~ Ccmmu??ist ir.:i:t-e:-atibn ot France lm4 other NATO nat1 ona • •lo 

b::1, n&bora:te pablio press aDl radio reportir:g or all l!~'IO 

·.. ftat:lors - pari, lc-zl&rl)" tlte tJ. S. 

Co Recent ortl report by l'.!ro Elliott and J~o Keay-. 

6. Point 3D is essential to the U.K. positio~ since unless it \a 

veey nearly true, tbe course ot action which the U.IC. insists upon W"llld 

:.11ean that Point 30 would be a burnt ottering to an unresponsive deity. 

In addition 1f 3C is untne to the extent that our attempts to inform 

the RA'l'O nations leaked in tlvd.r turn) we wuld hand the USSR a pict1..u-e 

of our own ceyptograph1o (anc\ by 1nf'erence, ~c) abilities. 

7. 'l'be :f\mc1amenta.l p:ro'blem is not pnswered 'b7 the U.IC. position pa.pr. 

It remains a cold fact that ameone with'tlie requisite authari't7 11111Bt make 

a cC1111Bnd decision in which OD17 part or' the factors are know, a f'ew cara 

be guessed a.t and the remainder a.re hidden in the :ruture: EO · 3 . 3 ( h) ( 2 ) 

( ICnovn - llATO national. sys~ are not secure to us 

PL•·.S.6-36/50 USC 

8D _,., 

l Inf'er .. '!beJ' are also llQ't aec!ure a.pinet tha USSR 

{

Jtncnm .. 'lhe quantitattve leakage ia not dramatic a.a of' now 

b. 

Inter - It could graw worse - particularly in var 

• 'Known .. Western open sources leave relativeJ.7 little wart. tor 

~ rnrer - :::::: ;: :::m.u1- b7 aecunas ~ .. 1'0 ~ cipbera 

t JCDOVD .. tJSSR espionage of all tne• is ftr1 v.tdespread and quite 

) effective 

d. _.. h~ disclosed 

3605 

l,%nfer - We ni:lpt not a.ccmpliab 11111~h and. m:tgbt/tda ________ _ 

J KDOWll .. e. ,____~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

linter - Who can 3uclse ita va.l.ue to USSR'l 

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S!EYRPH BR!"e1r '•, fl ' 

QUE11Y' 'l - Will one or more KATO nations go COJlllllU!)istT FrmtcP.i Itri1•,•r 

Engl.anti? 

I 

11 ., - Will at least the elements of existing crnrtoue,pby r!..·•·1:r.11 

if they were farced into Vic1J1 _posi tionsT 

,, T 

II ? . 

86_::36/50 USC 3605 

8. In one sense the die is cast. All w can do is control the Bi."':'C''l 

or the ew:ntwil l.Qss. When modern devices were given BA.TO by the U.S. r.11'1 

U.K. we set in motianl I This process will b~ 

relo.tively slaw. We can accelerate tbls or let nature take its cot'r~"". 

The dP.ciaion must wfgh the possible pin ap.inst the accelera.'tred lt""Jr. 

a. One fin:,:il thou·,'1l.: If ••e ;:i,,ro ·:oi!'L3 to rlo a.•1y1.hin-; J 101•r ~I,. 

this 11i.o::'lent, let ltD :~ .. J'lTlrOVe the C0~1S~ on1.:z or t.horm Cl! t;,• 11 r , ~\TO :i~rtna1·D of 1:rhorir constancy TTe ,feer"'i 10re or leas c-~1· 1,.~ i • 

r..nll 1"ihose COl~EC needs ir.n:u•ovOJ:ient. For m~"'!lnpl"!: 'ft1r'··~: • 

L. 1~. SlIJ?:i.'I 

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