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REPORT OF.VISIT 

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SPECIAL ASSISTAft TO THE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL_ SECURITY AGDCY 

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l. In accordance with Letter Orders 273 dated 21 January 1955, as 

modified by L.o. 273-A dated 4 February 1955, I left Washington via MATS 

at 1500 hours on 18 February 1955, arrived at Orly Field, Paris, at 1430 

hours on 19 February, and a.t Zug, Switzerland, at 1830 th~ same day. I 

spent the next few days with Mr. Boris c.w. Hagelin, Renior, and Mr. Boris 

Hagelin, Junior, for the purpose of learning the status of their new 

developments in crypto-appa.ratus and of ma.king an approach ~d a proposal 

to Mr. Hagelin, Senior as was recently authorized by USCIB and concurred 

in by I.BIB. Upon completion of that part of. mi mission, I left Zug at 

1400 hours on 28 February and proceeded to London, arriving at 1845 that 

evening. 

2. The following report is based upon notes ma.de of the substance 

of several talks with the Hagelins, at times in separate meetings with 

each of them and at other times in meetings with both of them. 

3. The notes regarding the status of new developments and plans 

for the future should be of interest. Included among these notes is 

information of conside~able importance in connection with the problem 

of French COMSEC. 

4. The approach and proposal which is referred to in paragraph 

1 above and which I was authorized by USCIB to present to Mr. Hagelin, 

Senior (USCIB: 29.14/29 dated 27 December 1954 ~nd concurred in by 

message from Chairman, LSIB to Chairman, USCIB) was ma.de to him during 

the evening of 26 February; and the discussions thereon were continued 

with Mr. Ha.gelin, Junior, on 27 February at the request of Mr. Hagelin, 

Senior. 

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II. STATUS OF NEW DEVE'LoPMENTS 

l. Sales and' Prospects of Sales of C-Line of Ma.chines. -- The 

following information under this heading was given mostly by Ha.gelin 

Jr. / who either hB.d the data in memory or had quick access to the 

records pertaining thereto: 

a. The present manufacturing capacity of the Ha.gelin plant 

in Stockholm for the manufacture of' the C-line of ma.chines (C-52, CX-52, etc.) is 6o to 80 ma.chines per month; the goal is to increase 

this to 100 per month as soon as practicable ~ter the Stockholm plant 

is closed down and the new plant in Zug is' well established (see para 

lb below). No manufacturing quotas were mentioned with regard to 

other ma.chines; the latter are still ih the development, prototype, or 

pre-production stage. 

b. Decision has been ma.de to close down the plant in Stockho1-

and to moV'e such of its manufacturing tools and equipment as, is deemed 

advisable or necessary to Zug, where two new buildings are to be prepared for production of the new lines of ma.chines. One of these buildings is an existing structure which is to be modified to suit the need 

for additional space for operations but its top floor is to be ma.de 

into an apartment for the chief engineer, Mr. Sture Nyberg, presently in 

Stockholm but scheduled to move to Zug as soon as the e.pa.rt.ment is completed. "The other building is to be newly constructed and.the excavation 

therefor has been completed; its top floor is t~ be an apartment for Boria 

Ha.gelin, Junior and his family. The three buildings (the two abovementioned, plus the present research and development building) are ad.Jacent 

to the home of Boris Hagelin, Senior, so that the new plant comprising 

Crypto A.th will be a compact, homogeneous set of uni ts. I was told by 

Hagelin Junior that his father expects to retire f~om active direction 

of Crypto A.G. in two years (at age 65), although tindoubtedly he wil~ 

continue to have a voice or hand in direction thereafter. From one cmnmen~ 

made by Hagelin Senior, I gathered the unmistakable impression that he 

plans to let Ha.geliri Junior take over the Crypto business and direct its 

affairs when he himsel:f retires. 

c. (i) The plant in Stockholm, besides being now engaged in 

manufacturing of ~w C-52 and CX-52 ma.chines, is also to fill an order 

for 500 to 1,000 ma:chines or the old C-446 type. (See paragraph t(l4) 

below.) In order to execute this order some or most of the toois tor 

ma.king the C-446 will bs.~e to be rehabili~ted or else replaced with 

new ones. I asked ~11~.Senior if he needed any fine.ncial help in 

this regard; his answei' W.i in the negative, since, as he said, he 

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estimated the cost of rehabilitating· the old tools or making new ones 

to be only about $10,000. However, he indicated that he might like 

to have some help in building up his new plant in ~ug for without it 

he will have to sell some of his liquid capital assets (stocks and 

bonds). I ma.de no comment and the matter was not referred to again. 

I wish to point out, however, that the rehabilitation of the C-446 

tools offers certain potential advantages to UKUSA; for once these 

tools have been rehabilitated, Hagelin will be able (as he himself 

mentioned to me) to make more C-446's than are needed by the government 

for which he is making this old model. In other words he was hinting 

to me that this rehabilitation would make it possible for him to supply 

certain customers with a model almost like the .u-209. This model is, 

of course easier to solve than the new models and 

(2) The present space occupied by the Hagelin plant in 

Atockholm will be turned over to the Johansen Gauge Company, together 

with all of the C-446 tools, Jigs, and dies; these are to be "held by 

Johansen on loan until the order for the 500 to 1,000 C-446's has been 

completed. These tools, Ji.er.a, and dies, together with certain ma.chineey 

will then be shipped to Zug. The Johansen firm is to take over and 

employ all or most of the Ha.gelin workers in Stockholm, except Chief ~ngineer Nyber~, mentioned above. 

d. (1) It may be well at this point to set forth specifically 

the different models or machines which are comptised in the C-line~ 

usinp; designators which the HagelinR and I agreed would be suitable. 

The C-line ma.chines are readilv clnssifiable (accordinp: to Ha.gelin 

Senior) iato two main cl.asses: 

(a) Class 1 -- Where all keywheelfi! advance the same 

number of steps. In the case or the M-?09, of tne C-446 nd t 

certain version of the C- ? th~ advance iFI one ate • 

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(b) Class 2 -- Where the stepping is il'regular and 

where OT!' readers are proviued, as well as equiprm.mt for producing the 

tapes. 

(2) Based ~pon the foregoing ca.t~gol"ization, in Class 2 

there are the following models: 

(a.) CX-52a: The model with Sta.nda1"d A slide bars 

(for the cage), which produce irregular or varying angular displacements of the key wheels, each wheel advancing O, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 steps per 

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(b) CX-52b: The model with Standard B slide ~~& (for the cage), which p:i:oduce regular or fixed angular displacements. 

of' the key wheels, all wheels advancing the srune number of steps but 

the number may be any one from l to 32; 

. (c) CX-52c: The mouel which is compatible with the 

old types of C ma.chines, the-M-209, the C-446, or a certain version of 

the C-52 ma.chine; 

(d) CX-52ak: A CX-52a with the (Hllettenhain) 

"kompl;Lmentary" i'eat.ure incorporated there in; 

(e) CX-,2bk (or CX-52ck): These are likewise the 

same ·as CX-52!!, and CX-52£ butwith the complirnc[\tary feature incorporated 

therein; 

(r) CX-~2/10 anu cx-52/30: T"nese are CX-52's for 

10-character ciphering (digits l'or enciphering numerical code groups) 

or for 30-charo.cter ciphering (30-elmncnt alphabet.). These ma.chines 

can be of the a, b, or c type, a.nd ca11 also be pr.ov1ded with the complimentary feature. (Example: CXM~2ak/10) 

(3) In Class 1 there are the following models: 

(a) C-52: The model whlch is compatible with M-209and 

C-446, but also can be ma.de t.o .t'unctlou with interchangeable key wheels 

and with key wheels of larger ntunbers of elellltlnl:.s ·than M-209 or CM446, 

so that a set of key wheels can comprist: more t.han the 6 wheels now 

incoi·pore.ted in the M-:209 or C-l~li6. Also the C-52 can be provided with 

a larger numbe~· oi' Slide bars than has tile M-2~ or C-446. 

(b) I presume that. the.re can be a C-52/10 or c-52/30 

but. these were not mcm.loned; anti at. the moment I do not· l·ecall asking 

whc-thcr thcH·e coulu be a C-)2u., 01· C-:.,i2b, or C-)21!, or C-52ak, etc. I 

could no doubt a.ocen.a.in t.hls-point easily cnouoh-by asking either of the 

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enthusiasm. 

(1) However, there is a new C-52 machine which is of 

interest, and which llagelin Jw1ior mentioned with much 

This l'uoclel wo agreed ·to call the C-52Y. 

(2) In the C-52Y, the print wheel may be advanced 

according to combinations of one to 4 different amounts, and each 

of the key wheels may also be advanced according to comblnations 

of one to 4 different amounts. Perhaps the best way to explain 

what this model will do is £irst to mention what the M-2091 or the 

C-446, or the ordinary C-52 does. In each of these models, if 

there are say 4 lugs presen·ted to o. key wheel and ·the latter is in 

"active" position, ·t.he print wheel advances '4 Steps; but in the 

C-52Y this same condition co.n bring about 4 kinds or amounts of 

stepping of the print wheel: o, 1, 3, 1or 4 steps can be made, depending upon the particular slide bar and lug arrangements in the 

cage. Or, if 7 lugs are presented ·to a key wheel (and the latter is 

in "active" position), the print wheel can advance 0 1 3, 4, or ··r steps 

by one arrangement; or 0 1 2 1 5, ·r steps by a second arranGcment.; or 

0 1 1 1 61 7 steps by a third arro.nBement (the total amount is the sum 

of the 4 parts). So much i'or the advance of the print wheel. How 

for the stepping 01' the key wheels. In the M-209 and the c-1+46 these 

always advance and qui·te regularly: each wheel makes one and only 

one step. In the C-52Y, however, the key wheels are advanced according 

to the same qua.dri];\1rtite combir1ation rule as that applicable to the 

print wheel, depending upon the slide bar and lug arrangement. If 7 is 

the Jll3.Ximum amount for a certain key wheel, the,latter can auvance o, 31 

41 or 7 steps by one arrangement of slide ba.rs and lugs; or 0 1 2, 5 or 

7 steps by a second arranBement; or 0 1 11 61 or 7 steps by a third 

arrangement. The different key wheels mo.y receive diffe1·cnt sets 'or 

quo.dripa.rtite combination steppings, but the total nwnbcr of different 

sets can not exceed 32. This type of action, which was conceived only 

recently (December 1954), can be brought about in the C-52 merely by 

placing star1dard B slide bu.rs in the cage in a certain sequence and with 

a certain kind of lug assembly. 

(3) Hagelin Junior was so enthusiastic about this new 

model that within two or three minutes immediately following our initial 

exchange of' greetings he announced that they had decided to stop making 

the CX model and are switching over to a variation of the C-52 which, 

he said, "is simpler in mechanical effectuation and more readily adaptable to the crypto-control mechanism f'or the HX or electrical-rotor 

machine." I was, of course, rather startled by this statement and 

later queried Hagelin Senior about it, saying that I was astonished at 

the decision to switch to the C-52Y bef'ore any security evaluation at 

all had been made of i't. Hngelin Senior said, "Oh, Bo is young and 

overflowing with enthusiasm. · We will hold up ma.king that model if you 

want us to hold up on it." I told him that I thouaht this mieht be 

advisable, and that in any case we would want one o:r·thcse models juat 

as soon as possible. Hae;elin Senior so.id that it was eo.sy to convert a 

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C-52 to & C-52Y and that we could do it wi~h the one he is sending us 

from Stockholm (at my request) by air; all we would need would be the 

special instructions for the slide bar and lu~ arrangements and he is 

to provide these instructions soon. 

(4) A few minutes later Hagelin Senior read me a paragraph from a recent letter from the Italian defense department, in 

which it was stated that they were withholding an order for new Ha.gelin 

ma.chines until more becomes known about what had been decided with 

regard to the various levels of NATO communications. Ha.gelin Senior 

wanted to know whether I thought there was a possibility that a Hagelin 

ma.chine might be adopted for 3rd level NATO.col\lUlUilications. I indicated 

that this was certainly conceivable and that that was why I was so 

interested in the proposed shift from QX-52 to c~52y manufacturing, for 

I pointed out to him that NATO COMSEC authorities would have to be sure 

of the security of the new model and that detailed studies would certainly 

have to be ma.de of the C-52Y before it could be given serious consider· 

ation for possible NATO usage. It was then that Hagelin Senior said that 

he would hold up on the C-52Y if we wanted him to do so • 

f. Following is information regarding sales of ma.chines of 

the C-line: 

(1) E~ypt -- now negotiating for 50 C-52 ma.chines. •They 

also want 10 BC-52 machines. They are waiting until an agreement Qan 

be reached en to prices. No final decision has yet been reached, either, 

as to whether their ma.chines are to have Roman 6r Arabic characters. I 

asked Hagelin Senior whether there had been a.nY trouble with the Egypt~ins 

because they- weren'.t being given the CX model. "Well,, the only thing they 

can have now is the c-52. We just stopped talking about the CX; we talked 

only about the C-52 and.they were satisi'ied." 

(2) Jordan -- has bought (about) 30 ma.chines; 10 are C'-52's 

and 20 are BC-52's. Ha.gelin is going to make delivery soon. He said: 

"I have a very good agent there. These machines are for the Ai-ab League 

and the Foreign Office. It is the British who are behind this purchase -- 1 t' s they who are paying. The Jordan Chief Signal Officer is a Britisher.'' 

(3) !.!'.!!:!!. -- The Hagelins have no agent in that country. 

There seems to be no interest there in cryptomachines, according to 

Bagelin Senior. 

(4) J:raq -- is negotiating for an order of about 50 to 

200 C-52's with Arabic characters. ''They have a more than lukewarm intereat." 

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( 5) Syria -- has recently pw·chased 50 C-36(sic) ma.chines. 

I asked Hagelin Senior where in the world he found so many of that old 

tnodel; "We had some down in thP. basement in Stockholm." 

(6) Saudi Arabia -- only some correspondence exchanged 

recently. Ha.gelin has no agent nearby. 

(7) India -- wo.s shown only the C-52 model. The Hageline 

felt quite certain that the Indians will order some of these ma.chines, 

and they are also definitely interested in the BC-52. [Hagelin Junior 

on his recent trip, it will be recalled, did not demonstrate the CX·52 

to any of the Arab countries, nor to India.:J. .. ·"The Indian Army ls 

interested in these 118Chines, too. They want to have a lot of BC-52's 

for test purposes. Don't you think that queer?" I said that it seemed 

a bit unusual to ask for a. lot of 1nachlnes merely for testing. 

(8) Pakistan -- is waiting for a model of the C-52 for 

Hindustani (which has 29 or 30 characters). 

(9) Belgium -- The Armed 1''orces have ordered more than 

200 CX-52's and about 160 have already been delivered. These are 

CX-52a 1 s with variable typewheels. The B•Jlgian Foreign Office have 

C-446-machines and will stick to these but have bought 100 variable 

typewheels. 

(10) France -- 11The French have had the CX-52 two years 

already, :for study. 11 The Foreign O:t'fice has pla.ced an ordei· for about 

100 ma.chines; 80 CX-52!!:_, 20 cx-52!!}10. LTf"The Armed Forces arc much 

more interested in the HX ma.chine," Ha&':din said. I will have more to 

say about.France later in this report..:J 

(11) Portugal -- bought five CX-52~'s: 

(12) Italr -- no action yet. "They are 'bellyaching' 

about 'what will NATO do.'" Hagelin Senior stated that endorsement 

of the CX-52 would serve as a real stimulus to their placing an order. 

(13) Greece and Turkey -- have been given literature and 

are interested. Ha.gelin Junior is supposed to have gone there long a.go 

for a. selling trip, but has postponed the journey -- no date mentioned. 

(14) Holland -- The sit.uation with regard to the Dutch 

is interesting in view of the Petersen Case. They are sticking to the 

C-446 in the ma.in; this is certainly true as regards the Foreign Ofi'ice. 

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Referring to the r~ncwcrt man1lfnct 11re of l,il•) olc.l C- 11IP.· liYJ.e of m.:.tcMne 

(mentioned in pariig!'apn c( 1) a.bo'I•?), t'ieuc "£Ll'i.' f~1r 1.he Du ten Government. 

Most of' thes~ 1:io.c11 ines ar·~ for t,ne lJukti Flll"f"'.tc:1 Off' ice but n. cood many 

are also j nten1lc~u for tne Outr.:h Army. Ai: ct> rd in:.:; to Hugc.:lin s~nlor, the 

Dutch Foreuin Office f .!.mls t.ne C-1~1.16 quil:.r:? sat. iofac t.ory br.cutrne, as they 

say, (o.) they url~ wel.l orgnnizell now for using that model and (b) the 

new models arc much rnore t!Xpc!nsive than the old or1cs. (Hnbelln Senior 

commentr!d thr~t DuL~h tiir :.rL n::oe:. ,.3 i10.v in1.~ t,.., p:iy murc than they think 

wa.rrnnte?d.) Howr.•v1.:r, t.:~oucil i..nc; Dul.c'1 F'ord;~n Ut'!'icc .l.ikt~s Lhe C-446, 

it wants a certain numocr or trwir new c-L~4lJ':; to ue provided with means 

for using one time-tape control of the steppirl{'; rr.edianism instead of 

pin-wheel control. The d.:veiovment 01' thE~ tai...;i-i..:ontrol mechanism has 

g"lven Hage.Lin some trouble but the problem was recently solved. Hagelin 

Senior stated that tbe Dutch Army ls m1Jcn intere-sted in the new CX-52 

model and waut.s to obtain some n;achinl•S or tho.t type as well as a number 

oi' BCX-52's. 

{15) Uni.t.ed Kingclom -- '''fhe Br1 t.ish bought two CX-52' s. 

They pa.id for them, moreover, .in 1''n~1J Swiss Francs and they d.idn't 

relish thls. 11 

(11;) Germany and Austrla -- Dr. Hell {who by contract 

supplies the West Germans and W!:!st. Austria.r. mo.rket for C-line machines) 

has assembled ten CX-~2' s 1'01· the Bonn Goven1111ent. These are CX-52bk 

type, -- 11 the only model wh.ich is approved by H.uet.tenhain. 11 L.'.l'he 

personal -relations between Hl?J.l and llagelln are still very. cordial and 

theJ.r contractual. relations are the same as rela.ted in my previous reportJ 

(17) Sweden -- is going to ruple.ce all its C-446 ma.chines 

with CX-52' s in a J.one-t.el'm rt.~plaeerr.ent proeram, with a more or less 

i'ixed amount of money nvaUahJe c11ch year for thiG ]JUrpose. I asked 

Hagelin Junior what the Swe~ i.stl Government• s rf:!a.ct1on had been to the 

decision to move the Stockhol.rn plant to ~~u~~· His reply: 11They don't 

like it, of course, but. have become r~concile1i to the idea. What else 

could they do?" 

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no order as yet. 

Spa.in -- has S!1owr1 a gt'l!at interest in C-52 but has placed 

They a.re also ~nt.1·!rest.ed. in othP.r naw ffagelin products. 

( 19) Eire -- has l'f:!~en:.ly plac:t:1d u.n order for two CX-52' s. 

These arc soon to bt? i.leliverelt. 

( 20) lniion~s in. - - 11W•:: hau quite a mP.asy busj ness corre~pondcnce, back a.nd forth, bui. now t.h1.:y ha.Vt~ l'ina.lly decided to place an order for 

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20 or 30 C-52's. The order is not firm as yet -- th£Y are waiting to 

get tht=? appropriation and also an import permit." LI failed to ask 

why an irnpOrt permitJ 

(21) Pol.and and Hi.yiga.ry -- Chief engineer Nyberg in 

Stockholm recently sold. 2 C-440 ma.chines to each of these two governments 

without first consulting Hagelin Senior, vho said that they hs.d indica+.ed 

requirements fol' many ma.chines. I asked what he would do if' they really 

came throu~h with firm orders in auantity. His renlY: I i=r 3.3(h)(2) 

(22) Jugosl.avia -- interested in the C-lines. Hagelin 

Senior said that he takes for granted "that this country falls in the 

same category as the other fellows of the Middle East." I said, "Let's 

regard them for the moment as Satellites of the Soviets." Hagelin Senior: 

"That's O.K. with me if you want it that way." 

(23) Central America -- "There's not much interest there in 

our machines. Costa Rlca recently bought two c-4461 s; Cuba. showed some 

interest at one time but this has died down. W~ have inMexico a good 

agent with Norwegian background and he wa.nt,s to sell some ma.chines to the 

Mexicans. Venezuela is going to buy some ma.chines." 

(24) Brazi~ -- The Brazilian~ is.interested to the 

extent of some 500 or more ma.chines but Hagelin ~cnior didn't think. 

they would come through with as la.rge a.n order as this in one lump. 

The Brazilian~ has bought 60 GX-52's, these to be compatible with 

their c-41~6's. When they will put in an order for more machines these 

will be of the CX-52 type. 

(25) Argentine -- T'ne Navy bought 13 CX-52' s but these 

are to be compatible with the c-~-4u. 

(26) Chlle -- Not greatly interested but will buy aome. 

(27) Pe.ru Int.ares ted to ·t;he extent or about 200 CX-52' s. 

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(28) Paraf3\lay -- no interest. 

(29) Uruauay -- bought five CX-52's and two BCX-52's. 

their firs:t experience with cryptomachines." 

(30) Colombia. -- has ordered about 100 CX-52's and about 

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2. !!. • In discussing with both Jla.B;elins the matter ot new deve1oprncnts in crypto-appa.ratus and their sales proJ110tion, they both stated 

tha.t they a.re sometimes confronted with a considerable amount of sales 

resistnuce which arises from excessive nationalism and which makes it 

difficult for a country to accept ~.a.chines invented or nBnu:f'actured in 

somo country other than its own. France, for instance, wanted to use 

only such :ma.chines as were invented or ma.de in France. /!Ebia statement 

ir.a.kes r:e :mRpect that the French have told ITagelin 1:1bout the machines 

furnished them recently by the U.S. and the U.K •. ; perhaps this feeling 

on the part of the French has a bearing upon their dilatory conduct in rcs~rd to putting these u.achinea into usage,;/ 

b. I said to Hagelin Senior that Boris Junior had told me that 

his father had wsain been to Paris recently and that I imagined it was in 

connection with th~ modification to the B-211. When he nodded affirmatively I said that I lra.s elad to learn that he was trying to help the French, 

for they were our allies in NATO. I asked him if he could give any reason 

for the recently heightened interest in crypto mat·ters on the part of France. 

He said he thought that increased interest was a result of Via.la's coming 

into the picture in the Foreign 0£fice. Viala* wn.otcd to replace the 

*Hagelin said that there is another, unrelated Viala in the crypto 

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olU.-fo.shloned methods and 1''oreie;n Ol'i'ic~ corlt·books with more up-to-date 

things. Via.la is a forceful dm.ra.e l.er, he so.ht. But he added that · · 

Via.la, of course cbnf'inea his activit'ics in t.his ree;ard to the Foreign 

Office. He-went on to say that the "commision dH Chiffre" undt."'r President Ollier is now very active. Captain Mueller, a meriber ot' the 

Cor1m1ision, rnpresenti.nB t;hr::: Presi.rlence de Conscillers, is also very 

active. 011.ler is o. man 40 to 1~5 yea.rs of age, rat.her cold but Hai;elin 

sized him up as belng extremely lntP.lligent ancl a. very strong character. Hasc~lin so.id he could l.el.l me about some very important French plans for 

improvement in crypto affairs. For one thlng, for example, the French 

Government ls gains to ~stablish a plant in Pa:r:1s but as a private enterprise. "There is plenty of money behind the people who are prepared to 

do that. The Government will buy the tools, since they want to be sure 

to have all the tools nccesaa.ry for mo.nufncturing their machines, but 

the plant itself wlll be under private ownership. This ownership will 

probably be that of a subaid.ary of an already well-established firm called 

the Societe Electronique Automatlsrne (SEA), which, though a relatively 

new firm, is already a very important concern ma.king electronic computers. 

Its president is M. Raymond, a young man but supposed to be first in 

France in technical know-how as regards such nnchines. The people behind 

SEA have plenty of money -- they a.re considerably higher up in Government 

affairs than people like Colonel Arnaud, who is conatantly being J.1!.E!edled 

by Ollier to get busy on thlo crypto 11'1/'J.nufa.cturing business. The 1,Plant 

will start with mo.king HX (electr:lc rotor) machineo; possibly also ex 

ma.chines." 

c. (1) The B-211 modificul.:i.on, designed ' and developed by the 

Hae;elins,-has turn~d out to ue quite successful, according to Hag~lin 

Senior. What I saw of this development (in Paris last September) ~s 

merely a rough design; they had worked it out in pro.ctice so that it .can 

easily be added to the existing B-211; h.ls agent in Paris (M. Rene de 

Chauny) will probably do the work on the ma.chines when the latter are. 

sent to him in batches for servicing. The Hagelin firm had an order tor 

250 B-211 modification kits for the French Army and 200 will probabJ.y 

be ordered by the French Air P'orce. "Captain Mueller told me that with 

this improvement the modified B-211 will be more secure than the origiJia.l 

British TYPEX" (meaning, Hagelin said, the "type with the simple reflector -- not the one with the straight-through circuiting and reversing switch"). 

Hagelin commented that the French had something on their B-2ll's which 

was not put on by him a.nd hence he didn't know what it was. The parts tdr 

the modi1'ica:tion kit will be ma.de ln Zug, either by Crypto A.G. itself' 

or by a sub-contractor in Zug. 

(2) I ask<:!d HD:c;eJin Senior whether this modification kit 

tor the B-211 would be avails.bl«.! to other owners of' that ma.chine. "There 

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ma.de the laconic cormnent: "Yes, two." I said: "Yes, and you will 

recall also that I have one personally, one you presented to me tor 

my collection -- tl1e one formerly owned by Ivor Krueger." Then he 

went on to say that he would do the conversion in Zug on our two or 

three ma.chines at such time as would be convenient. 

3. a. Relations wUh Siemens and Hn.lske are now formalized in 

a signed contract. Siemens agreed to stay out of the cryptoma.chine 

manufacturing business a.nu confine itself to the teleprinter ma.nufa.ctur• 

ing business; Hagelin agreed to stay out of the teleprinter ma.nufacturM 

ing business and. conflne h:l.msclf to the cryptoma.chine ma.nui'a.cturing 

business. In case in the future Siemens wishe~;to go into the crypto· 

ma.chine manufacturing business they must give Hagelin notice thereof 

and for at least one and a half years after giving such notice they must 

stay out of such 111a.nufacturing. 

b. Hagclin Junior showed me the la.st page of the contract 

with Siemens, in which t~e marketable areas for teleciphering ma.chines 

were divided between Siemens and Hagelin as follows: 

(1) Siemens alone: (2) C1·ypto A.G. a.lone: 

West Germany France 

West Austria Italy 

Jue;oslavia Europe Switzerland 

Portugal. Sweden Iri~land Norway 

Benelux 

All except~ Brazil, USA, America Brazil 

and Canada. 

All except EBYtrt Africa Egypt 

All except India~ Indonesia, Chim Asia Ind.ia 

All Australia 

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4. Rather casually, I asked Hagelin Senior, but in the presence 

of Hagel1n Junior, why, if they were moving the Stockholm plant to Zug, 

they hadn't considered moving the whole business to the U.S. He replied: 

"You'll have to ask Bo a.bout that." I said, "Why Bo'l" Boris Junior 

answered somewhat quietly: "I suppose he means f'or me to carry on the 

business. What would be the acivantages of moving the business to the U.S. 2'1 

I said: "Well, I thought you didn't like Switzerland at all, and the same 

goes for Edith, doesn't it111 His reply: 11We 1 1·e both getting better adjusted to living in Switzerland. And then soon, when the Nybergs have 

settled down a.inong us / we'll have some agreeable company." Ha.gelin Seniors 

"I suppose the U.S. could e.nd would bind me with restrictions so I couldn't 

be free to export where I please." I said that I supposed that certain 

things could be done along that line -- there were, of course, restrictions 

on sending instruments of war or material for Wa.r to countries behind the 

Iron Curtain. But I added that I didn't think the U.S. would be tough or 

have a. veo:•y ro'l)gh policy. I did not pursue this subject any further, nor 

did they. Later on, Hagelin Junior's wife (Edith) confirmed that she was 

getting better adjusted: "It takes a couple of ye'ars, you know. I was so 

upset last year that my doctor sent me to a psychiatrist but after the one 

and only one visit I made up_my mind I didn't need such help and would help 

myself out of the spell." l'she did look much better than when I saw her 

last September:]" 

5. a. The new base for the BC-line (electrically operated keyboard machines) was shown me. It looked extremely simple and compact. 

Any C-52 or CX-52 need merely be placed inside the frame and fastened 

down by two screws, thus becoming a keyboard :me.chine. To adapt the base 

to take a c-446 or an M-209 requires some modification but Hagelin felt 

that this could be done though he questioned the practicability or doing 

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is borm ln theoc modeln ls too r.hort. •11his new BC base would facilitate 

opern.t:l.on by OTr a.n'1 the sensJ ng pe.r1; of' the mr?chan~sm for opera.ting\ e. 

C-52 or a. CX-52 (o.r·, eventualJy u.nd posnlbly o. C-1~4G or M-209) by m<~l1llS 

or 01'T ia now worked out so that the sam? mech.a.11is1t1 wlll do for all. 

b. Thia new base for the BC-1.l ne will coot about $800. When 

I co11uu<mted t.hut I thought tho:t a pre i;t.y stiff pd cc for what Wt'l.S shown 

me, Ho.selin Senior l'tlplicd thu t he ur.uuJ ly chat'ge(l what I.ha t.rai'f le 

would bear bu(; at t.ha·(; price the cost. 01' I.he ·base plus the cost of t.he.• 

C or ex tnachine itself, the l.otal cCJst w.il.L still be leras than tha·I, of 

thr~ old Bc:..1~4G, which Wt\s 8,ooo Swcdtsh Kronor,. wherens the cost or the 

new base pl.us ·the C or CX come~: to about. 6,ooo 'Krono.r·. On a bie; ord.nr 

for BC mflchines he voulrl, "r coursr~, mak•! n pr lee a.dJustmcnt. 

c. The B buses are now bolng !lll1.1le "ln f3"1.ockholm (about 25). 

ZUp; will begin making them .ln about. J.O numt.lw, 11ccord:lng to i•he Ha.gullns. 

6. .One eloctronic OT'l' 1_~fmerator, cul Ind the ZG machine (Zu.falle 

generator = Random generD.~or), was dee ignL·d and ,built in the Zue; research 

and development plant Jn f'ive months by Hugcliu englneer Stllrzinger. It 

wa.o just recently t.w·ncid over to tht> French Foreign Office for study and 

as[lessment by the Comnri sion elf: Chiffre. No t.est.s for randomicity were 

· made by HEl.gelin. 'l'his moliel ur.es a Creeti pi: rforator and produces one 

orl~i.nal and one copy. It is no·t equippco w.lth marking apparatus which, 

}la.gc~lin Senior said., "in the heart of the Job. The•French aro going to 

wo.r·k that .out." He expects an orc.J.cr !'or sevE'ra.l more of' these O'I'.r 

generators from the Fret1ch. He also is making 3 or 4 for Denmar·k, Danish 

Navy Captain Weilbach being much interested :ln this machine. Belgium has 

also placed an order fo1· one ma.chine. 

7. a.. Crypto A.G. (Zug) has mtl.d.e po.r1;r.; Co.r· a first series of ten 

OTP producing ma.chines (CBI-series} and one mo.r:hine was assembled and 

ope1•a.ted for me during ~ stay in Zug. The machine is astonishingly 

small in size (about 1 cu. rt.) but weighs (I estimate) about; 50-60 lbs. 

It prints in a single operation a line of 8 groups of 5-letters but can 

be made to print 10 such groups per .line. Present operatil16 speed: 7 to 8 

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and :f'igu.re groups) for preliminary testing. The machine easily makes 

one carbon copy and I imagine that it could make two carbon copies, 

though IIagelin Junior was dubious thereof. 

b. Of the 10 ma.chines constituting this first series, 7 are 

already sOld, to countries as follows: 

u. Italy s. J ~ortugal 

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Junior mentioned that in his talks in India he learned that the Indians 

are now using IBM for making their OTP's but became much interested 

in the new Hagelin OTP ma.chine. A retired general officer (Indian) 

came recently to Zug for a look-see.* There is a possibility that U.S. 

will buy one or two more. The 1st machine for the U.S. will be ready 

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end produ.Ct of the prototype CBI machine some months a.go and stated 

that the letter Z was unbalanced compared to th; rest or the letters. 

Hagelin Senior said this had been corrected to .a. large degree but in 

future models they were not going to combine letter-group production 

with figure-group production in the same ma.chine; two separate ma.Qhines 

would be offered and they would be faster, simpler, and produce a;more 

random end result. Hagelin Junior told me that they weren't going to 

ma.k.e atJy profit on their first 10 ma.chines and I.imagine they would be 

glad to sell them all. Hagelin Senior asked me if u.s. could use '.more 

than one. I said we'd want to test the end product of our first one 

as soon as possible and that it might be that we would have use :f'or 

several if they were really good. Ha.gelin Senior then reminded me 

(which reminder I didn't need) that General Canine had once indicated 

we would buy at lea.st a couple. These :ma.chines are expensive (a.bout $51 000) but, of course, practically all the parts are hand-ma.de. However, small countries would not need more than one or two such machines--

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8. a.. 'l'he status of the HX development was d.iscussPd. Sarac 

progress has been ma.de in regard to the type of rotors that will be 

used; Hagelin Jun-tor talked about their uslne; printed c.trcuits, a. 

1Da.tter lleing investi6a.tecl for them by an English f'irrn the name or 

which was not rnent1.oned nor did I ask. for it. '.rhe new ma.chine is now 

definitely to have 10 rotors, a.s ment"loned in rrry last repor·t, and he 

showed rne a prototype rotor with 32 con·tacts. The rotor was about 1:\-

inches in diruneter, the contacts of silver. I asked Hagelin Senior 

whether the HX-54 was to be a 26-character machine and, if so, what 

he proposed to do a.bout the 6 extra. characte;rs.; (This question was 

o.lso asked in the course of 11\Y previous visit.) He told me that these 

6 extras would be re-entered from the qutput side into the input side 

of the maze. /J. wondered whether I ohouJ.d ask him if he had put in 

for patent coverage on this idea but decided not to ask. The U.S. 

has one in secret status. in the U.S. Pate~t Office;/ 

b. TWo prototypes of the HX-55 will be ready before June 1955~ 

there will be three crypto-components for these, that is, there will. 'be 

bne spare crypto-component, for test purposes. 

c. I told Ha.gelin Junior that the sooner they coultl get us 

an HX-55 the sooner could an answer be given as to the security of the 

ma.chine. 

d. 'I'he Hagelins demonstrated a bench ~odel of the slide bar 

and rotor-drive mechanlsm for the HX :r.iachine, using the C-52Y principle. 

This component was very quiet in operation and quite rapid. However, 

the unit used was the same 5-rotor assembly that was in the HX-54 I 

saw on rtr:f visit last Sl~ptember, not the new propos~d 10-rotor assembly. 

9. a. Ito.gelin Senior has definitely ~iven up the idea of having 

"a single-pa.ckage ma.chine," that ir._, one that can be used both for on-line 

teleciphering as well as for off-line literal operation in a single 

apparatus made up of several components. He gave up the idea "because 

(1) it would take much longer to develop than he could afford at this 

juncture of his research and development; and (2) the Siemens people 

didn't like the idea and I don't want to buck them." Hence, he is going 

to have one off-line li·teral machine which might be the HX-55 or even 

HX-56; and a. separate on-line telcciphering machine. 

b. The first model of his on-line ma.chine {'rL-55 or 56} will. 

employ merely ·the 5-unit code baud addition by the Vernam principle, 

controlled by O'IT. The second model (TC-55) will also use baud addition. 

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a.G that ·t;o be incorporated 111 the C-52Y; tbe thircl model, still an onlinc teleelphc:rine; ·machJne ('fCX-55) will use ·t;he cryptoprinciples of 

·the CX-52 machine; and. fjnally, a fourth mode.L (TH-55 or 56) will use 

the me crypt:.oprinci1Jle (10 ~kctrical rotors, with 5 to 32 and 32 to 5 

tro.nslators). All of the latter three models of machines wilJ. also be 

operable by m•."?a.ns of oi:r.r. Hagel:ln is tryinG to produce prototypes of 

the new tcleclpheriug machines o.s soon as possible, but so far they have 

only sketches, not even good drawings. Still they hope to have prototypes this year. 

c. Ha.~elin Senior ·t.old me that he was· going to try to eliminate 

rotors from the TH-56 and use relays instead. He thought that with 

about 1.i.oo relays he could accomplish wllat the rotors do. He did not 

mention the word "electronic" in.this connection, nor did I, of course. 

d. No more of the preaent TC-52's or TL-52 1 s will be 

produced; of the former a total of 20 was to be made and these have 

been complet~d; o:f the latter, a to·l;al o:f 50 was to be made but 

only a few have been complei;ed. These mn.chines are for the French 

ForeiBn Office, Army, and No.vy -- no Air Force, because they a.re tied 

up w:i.th SAGEM which hns i·e(:ently improved Us model but still uses the 

cryptoprinciples em11loyed by Ha.gelin in the prototY})e he built for 

SAGEM. (~'he u.s. lm.s placed. an order fo.r one TC-52, and, I think, for 

one TL-52.) 

e. Itnc;el:in Senior stated that, Er;ypt a:p.U India are interested 

in hnving-:telecj phering rr.uchines cont.1•olled by the C-52 principle; and 

these would be in·ov:tded wHh bu·l. one tape reader (not two, so that ·the 

D'.achlne could uot. be operateu by 0•1v11.) He asked me if I thought it 

would be O.K. for him to p1·ov:ide them with machines of this type. I 

told him I thought this mlght be satiGfactory. 

10. a.. The new pocket ciphe:l:' device (CD) appears to be well under 

way and the Hfl.{5elins ure enthusiastic about it. This device will use 

six noi,chcJ. clisks nu/le of pJastic (the customer breaks off pieces on the 

periphery to rna.ke the notches; this will make the disks equivalen·t; to 

the pln wheels of the C-line mo.chines. In fact, the CD will have the 

C-typc cry}Jl;op:dnc:i.plc, bul; it can also be given the CX-52 cryptoprinciple. 

Sincn the CD ·.;ill nol; have lugs on slide bars, there can be no 11 overJ.uppi11c;, 11 but the CD could. easily have seven or eight disks instead of 

only si.x; or it could cv<.m be operated by O'rT. One keying mechanism has 

o.lreo.tl.y 't:t!cn buHL at SLodd1olm; -tt is the size of the transistorized 

ra.dio 1~eL I l1out;h!; fo.1.· him ln the U.S. l e;ath<~red that the CD will produce a pr:inta;.l J·ccortl ("'l.hi·~ i1r1nt uul.t ts really very simple"), but 1ny 

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b. The history of this development may be of interest. Part 

ot it was-related to me privately by Hagelin Junior with the request I 

say nothing about it to his father. According to Hagelin Junior, many 

ot their customers for several years in the past have importuned the 

Ha.gelin firm with the request that they be provlded with a pocke·t-size 

cx-Yptodevice, and he (Ho.gelin Junior) bad in 1951 or thereabouts 

proposed a mGchanism for such a device -- the sa.rne or nea.rlj" the same as 

that incorporated in the present CD prototype •. But Ha.gelin Senior was 

not interested in such a project and rejected Hagelin Junior's ideas --

until an ex-Ha.gelin employee, one VIGO LINDSTEIN, came out recently with 

a pocket-size device. /Jfote: This is the T.RAriSVERTEX device the Swedish 

Government turned over to the Norwegian Government, which turned it over 

to NATO COMSEC authorities; i't is now being given security studies by 

UKUSA. How the Hagelins learned about the Lindstein device i~ not known 

to me; it is held in a secret status by the Swedish Government and has 

been from the beginning handled as SECRET in NATO and UKUSA, so far as 

I am aware.7 When Ha.gelin Senior learned of the Lindstein device, he 

then became much interested in such a project and somehow or other considered the ideas originally proposed by Hagelin Junior as his own. When 

Ha.gelin Junior11 learned that Ho.gelin Senior had decided definitely to turn 

over the Sund.sor brick ma.nuf'ncturine; works to his other son (Gunnar}, 

Hagelin Junior said to his father th.at in view of what he was doing for 

Gunnar he should at least turn over what royalti~s there would be on the 

new CD to him (Junior}; whereupon his father went into a rae;e, apparently 

claiming all credit for the CD hirnseli'. "It's not nice of me to sey this 

much about the matter, but that's the way it wa.s. 11 

c. I asked Hagelin Senior what usages he could foresee for the 

CD. He felt that secret agents, small military W!litb, or patrols could 

find good use for it. 

11. ~· In connection with the 5 to 32 and 32 to 5 translator principle 

to be used in the proposed fourth model of the on-line teleciphering 

ma.chine (THX-55 or 56), a principle which incidentally the U.S. uses in 

one of its own new developments, Hagelin Scniol' stated that he was afraid 

he was going to have some difficulties with the Lorenz people in Germany. 

That firm has a German patent (elsewhere, too, I.think) on the means for 

accomplishing or using that principle, application for patent having been 

entered in 1943 and just recently granted (January 1955). Hagelin Senior 

showed me the German patent and he is to send me the numbers of the whole 

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b. One Lorenz pnt.ent, also r.mt:cre1i ln application forrn in :L943 

and granted in 1955 was, however, kilk·l when Ho.gelin showed prior urlc oi' 

the it.cm. I urn to gP.t ·that ro.t(mt, l;uc.1. 

12. a. 

_,, Wlth rei'crcncC? t.o what tht~ Bonn Uovt~ruracnt. may bf~ do.lng now 

with the Huettenha.J.n crowd, Hn.(jcl:ln Senior oa.id he was told that for Bonn 

·there would be 11 u small ma.china mnu.c by Dr. He.l.l. rl'lmt. would, or courso, 

be our own Jna.chinc, the C.'X-~~bk." But l~here' woulcl al.au be "a 1111·ce Dlll.chine, 

made not by us nor by Sl(:mens, lJut. prol11ibly, I t.hink, by Telefon und 

Norm."llzcit (T & N Co.)." Hagul .. tn ua.icl • 1.hnt he djd not know any details, 

for those were classified. I 11ak1•1J: "Couldn't it be Lorenz rather than 

T & N?" "I don't really know," h•· r·epll1~11, "It could. well be. l suppose 

l.orenz did some work on c!ryptoma.chines for the Ge?rma.ns during the war, 

just as did tho firm WANDEHER ln who.t if1 now Ea.at Germany. They stolu my 

c:lpher plnwhc-!el o.ncl sJ !_c1~-l10.r-wlt.h lu1r,n Ideas and cons·t.ructed a. ma.chlne 

in 1941~, you know." /)'he su-l~J; lla.gC?lir1 has one of these in his officeJ 

b. In a Jn.tcr talk with Ha.r;cl.l.n Junior he asked me whcliher, 

'With West-Germany now or soon to b~ free•, they wtll establish laws, 

such as in Sweeten, prohlbi1; i.ng exporting 1~crtaln kinds of equipment to 

certn.1.n countries. I told him I nupponcll they might well do aomething 

ulong those lines. He aske1l me to send him, if ,posoible, what lnformtion 

there wn.s and which could bn ma.de ava.i.lo.bln with reference to such prohibitions. 

It seems that the H.a.gclina a.re worr!ed ahout the compe·tition they might get 

:In future from such f:lrrnr; as T & N, or tlw one that ma.de Enigmas; 'if West 

GE~rma.ny wbuld p.l.IJ.ce a ban on export:l.ns cl phcr ma.chines the llngellns would 

i'C'el much more secure aga..tnst the poss:ilJi l l t.y tha.·1;· su<~h firms "woul<l peddle 

their rnachineo o.brond and givr·-' us serious l'Ompetitlon." I snid I'd aee 

wh1J.t literature or documents wr:!rC' ava lla.blr! to send them for informat.i.on 

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13· a.. Having been with the llae;elins for scvcra.l days, in a most 

amicable relatirJnship, on the evcnina of 25 Fel>rua.ry 1955, after dinner, 

I felt thP. time ho.d come and wus ro it.lous to broach to Ha. eliri Senior 

the sub ect authorized iri 

. b. I began by telling h:i.m of U.S. a.pprec:l.ation of his i)B.tience 

:l.n mainta.In tng tho s ta.tus quo .in rcgar<l; to t.hi;? so-cal.led "gentlemen's 

understanding" 1•eetched ln January 1951.i.; that understanding was to run 

only to l July 1954 but he hn.cl bean consiclerat.e enough to extend the 

understanding for more than a. whole Yf.~ar; therefore, on behalf of my 

Government I win hell to thank him for that.. Secondly, I told him that we 

were well aware of M.s d:i.sinclinat.ion to be po.id money for not doing something; thin was in line with his i.d.ca.s of prop.?r conduct, an<l we understood nir. fe<~llngs in this rega.rcl ai1d his reluc t.a.nce to enter into any 

rcl.ati"onoh.l, Jn which such a. fei:-iture wcmld play a rominent rt. Thirdl 1 

c. Ho.se.lln Senior r<·~spomle1l by thanking me for what I had said 

about our-apprecfo.tion nnd understanding of his position. Moreover, he 

wanted me ,to know how th::tnkl'ul anu grateful he and his wife are for what 

we had done anci were conl.inu"ine; to do for vurlous members of his family. 

He hoped th.o.t everythine; wouJd turn out w1::1.l with regard to his son-in-law 

Conradi and. his retention on active duty status i'n the USAF as a result of 

· our lntervent.lon -- 11th<~ yowlB man kr~t!ps assurinc; me that he is working 

like hell." HE! o.nd hia wif'1:? apprr.cirtted very ruch what we ho.d done for 

her cousin Mias.Barth) ln making o. place J'or her in our or.o.nization. 

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e. Hagelin Senior thanked me but said he did not need time to 

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that if he wanted me to do.so I could per ps give a precis ·--o~f:--:-t::-he_p_r_o_p .... osal to him or to Boris Junfor in writing. He thanked me t'or 

this gesture but said he'd prefer not to have anything.like tha.t in 

writing. However, he would appreciate it if' I would convey the proposal 

orally to Boris Junior myself. This I did the following day but by tha.t 

time Hagelin Senior already had a chance to tell his son very. briefly the 

substance of the proposal and of' his own acceptance. Ha.gelin Junior also 

was ready with his assent. /.J. do not think that if he had withheld his 

assent it would have ma.de any difference in the situation or to Hagelin 

Senior, for the latter had said, when he asked me to talk with Boris 

Junior about the proposal that even though his son was young,.enthusiaetic 

and wanted to make money, he "would be kept in line.7 

I said I was sorry and I hoped L----r"l".""'.""ey~w-:-o~-;d-no-:-t'l"""":'b-:e~e~mb:rar-2-:-·a-:s:-:s~e-;d--.-if';;--;t:'.";'.h:-e-:-y---;:-;-'theinselves, the producers of the 

machines, were not also authorized to be recipientd of such instructions. 

i. Nothing was said on either side a.s to the term of the "understanding, 'IT" that is, how long it was to continue in effect. 

al.• The Hagelins wanted me to identify by na.me the I .... ____ ___, 

authorities; this, they said, would be of great interest and help to them 

in their business. I told them I could not do so now; I could only say 

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I 1.ir;ke~l tbcrt t.hl.·:r be iia.ttent. in this rc,.:;ard a.nil ~.hut it wuuld 

perha.po be possible to give them more information later. In any case, 

it was not ~l who were to ask for any endoraement, but the NATO customer 

who had to take "that action, addressing their inquiry themselves to the 

NATO COMSEC authorities; they would know where or whom to address their 

inquil-y. 

k. Ha.gel.in Junior said (but not in the presence of his father) rhat up tii thio timo he did not ask I 

14. In my last report of a visit to Zug, I mentioned Hagelin 

Junior's uraent desire to acquire a TYPEX ma.chine which he could turn 

over to Mr. Rossby (mentioned above in pa.raBraph lf(21)), who was 

anxious to obtain one. Hae;clin Junior brought this subject up again, 

said that Rossby was still very anxious to °Get his hands on a TYPEX, 

and that when he (Hagel.in Junior) learned on his trip to India that 

the Indians had some TYPEX machines he tried to ~et one from them but 

was not successful. He went on to sny that Rossby somehow or other 

got hold of a copy of' the instructions for operating the machine but 

this, Rossby said, was not enough for his needs. Hagel.in Junior said 

that he didn't necessarily ·have to have a machine in perfect operating 

condition -- one that worked only haltingly would do. He was quite in 

earnest about this and I think that if he could acquire a ma.chine through 

U.S. or UKUSA action such a gesture would certainly cement good relations 

with Hagel.in Junior, for, he suid, "I am sure I could get for myself a 

new automobile out of such a deal. 11 

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