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SCAMP PROBLEMS WERE DISCUSSED 

O. Conferee• and ObJectiT•!• 

Tile conf•rence aummarised here was held in the office of 

Mr. W. F. Friedman on the afternoon of 1 Febr\lary 1955. 

Mr. Friedman, Mr. A. B. Clark and Dr. R. A. Leibler of the 

National Secui'lty Agency and C. B. Tompkins (the &'1thor o! theee 

notes) from SCAMP parb.cipated. 

The meeting wa& held largely on the request of Tompkin•, who 

had been askod by De.an Ree•, Ch&iraan of SCAMP, to •••k auch a 

meehng. His mten.tlon was to try tog.ave his evaluation of the wiater 

aeas1on of SCAMP, which bad ende4 the precedina week at NSA. 

Thia evaluation (ae will be noted below) waa 1enerally high, 

but there was one apeciuc cr1ucism - that no mention had been 

made to the member• of the group of one problem fac1n1 the Agency 

of probable importance exceed.int 4.ny other problem, and that they 

la.ad .received no problems related to th1• out•tandin& problem wluch 

micht help them contr1ba.to to lta solution. Thia criticism led to a 

lenathy dbcu•aion of mea'lla- of attackina thi9 problem• and the viewe 

of Tompkins were 1olitit.d (1t seemed) aad offered (certainly) witll 

the u•deratandlng that l~ of clearance generated lack -9f infor--.-

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Thie diveruon led the discu•1ione into 1everal pha•e• not 

originally contemplated. The main topic• dlscuaaed were: 

1. Appra1aal ol the SCAMP ae•e:lons. paae 3 

z. Dl•cueuon of the withholdina of one probh:m, page 6 

l. Que•tione of overcompartmentabon, page 8 

4. A 1ug1e•tion that a problem be transferred io the 

re1earch group at NSA , page 10 

s. A •u1ge1tion that this problem be attacked by an ad hoc 

taak force of the type recently ae1embled eo •ucceesfully 

for other problems by Zacharias. paae 12 

6. The reluctance of :mathematiciane to serve in a11ianmenta 

wliere their elfectivenese 111 m 1eriou• doubt, page 14 

7. A propoeed In1titute of Intelligence and it& relation to 

SCAMP, page 17 

In the preparation of theee notee, an attempt ha• been made to 

•umm&r1ze the seaee of the d19cu1191ons. Th.ere was no set agenda. 

and the conversation• we-re occa•io:aally eomeWhat rambhng. Hence 

the 1roup:a.Ag into the above topics doe• not pre•e:it tb.e converntion 

:an the chronoloaical order which actually occurred. .Each o! the•e 

topie• will be diecueaed in a Htparate eection, beguming on the page 

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1. Apprai9al ~-the SC.AMP winter •esaions. 

Tlue appraisal of the SCAMP winter sessions was offered by 

Tompkins &I an immechate reaction by one of the participante. 

He liad been 1urprued and diaappo1nted by the lack of facility 

for applyina himself to an u:nportant problem. Some tune had been 

left available for thi• • of courae, and some eontribuhon• were made 

to problem• by the group; probably molt notable ones were made by , 

Albert e.nd Spa.mer who were working und•r conditions not shared by 

the re•t of the worker a. Ill thu connection, however, the con11derable 

d1Yer1ions always encountered in Wa•hington (the Air Force wa.1 trying 

to dislodge the SWAC computer from UCLA at the time, for example, 

and ~us occup1•d some of the time of Dean Rees. Proieasor Albert 

aad Tompldnt) rnust be reah•hcally appraised in any estimate of 

what contributions would be madtt by unherded scientl•t. in Wa1h1ngton. 

l.J) any event. the general program wa1 applauded as one providing 

a highly necessary education in cryptology. None of the parb.c1pants ln 

SCAMP i:e particularly fa.miliar with this field and the aeneral program 

here seeme-d highly desirable. 

It is not obvioue tJaat auch a general educat.ien in the future is 

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deeirable. It ie expected that. by and large, the Ame partic19~nt• 

will be participating in SCAMP year after year and with the consider• 

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tht• ees11on it wottld teem pose1ble for them to apply themaelva1 

indlv1dually and effectively to detailed pro~lems in the future. 

It eeeme almott easential that these 1ess1ons in W.1uhington 

continue if the autnmer se1a1on1 of SCAMP are to furnish the contnbutione desired. However, 1t eeema likely that more will be 

1ained if the participant• come to Waahington individually and work 

on particular problem• than 1f the 11ea1111on JUSt eaded were to be repeated 

annually. This modification would certainly be more convenient to the 

participants, mo•t of whom find 1t particularly difucult to devote a 

stipulated three weoks to th~ meetings, And 1t would probably be better 

!or the Agency, which would not have to prepare and present the course 

of lec:turea. 

It should be remarked that the preparation of the course of lecture• waa by no means a total lose for the Agency. In the firet place, 

Mr. Clark reported that ha learned much from them, the writer suaped• that the people who prepared the lecture• learned much from them, 

the lectures themeelve• revealed some faulty communication• within the 

organ1:tation of NSA (particularly between the Production and the Reaearch 

and Development Of!icee ), and at lea at one non-SCAMP couultant and 

probably eeveral members of the Agency'• regular staff learned much 

from the locture1. However, it is probably true that theae aoala could 

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in &<>Gd expository atyle. Th11 would require a rebirth of the tummary 

report activity which us from tune to time flourished at the Aaency 

and it• predec::e•1or activitiea. 

Several of t"be paper1 eeemed poorly prepared for the audience 

to whom they ware addresaed. While thie i• inevitable in any couree 

of leeturee prepared by •o mauy c:hfiereat lecturer•, a 1tron,1 1mpreasion 

wa• •till left that the lecturers from. the Office of PToduction had not 

been instructed to aummarize thetr problems ter•ely 1n a. form as 

definitely quntitatlve aa po•aible. The inabihty of the mathematically 

U'ained partic:ipaat• in SCAMP to follow th.e aarrauve account• of •ttac;k• 

made by these (certaihly hi.ghly competent) oryptanalyat1 on tile n.riou• 

problem a they described left a feeling that the SCAMP particip&at1 • aud 

probably the people preaenting the pa.per•, h&d wa•ted time and eneray. 

There wa1 a feeling that the preaontation• m11ht have been unconecioualy 

colored atron1ly by the typical aalas preaeutationa which muat be m&de 

from tim* to time; there b no feeling in SCAMP that a mathematl<:1&a 

ia a aub1titute for a cryptanalylt, there 1a no doubt concern1na the lm• 

portance c! the A1.ener"• work and the value of tlle contribution• already 

made by it• cryptanalyeta, and there i• a areat deeire for problem• 

which can be extracted in quantitative form from. tM work done. 

The moat 1erioua •••rnm1 defect ia the courae waa the complete 

abeenc• of anythina pertaiaba& to the ALBATROSS problem. Wben. 

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thH waa mentioned, the conYeraationa unmediately turned to the other 

point• lia1ed above. 

2. Diacuasion of the withholding o! one problem. 

Concerning ALBATROSS, Mr. Friedman pointed out that the 

h1ah security conaideTation• and the Acencv'• ~•tunate of the low 

probability that anyone would contribute to the problem by working a 

ahort period had led them to withhold it. The wi•dom of thia decision 

was not completely clear to everyone in the room. 

Tompkins pointed out that the problem had existed for some while 

uuder theae reatrict1ve cond1tio1111 without a aolution. While he underatoetd the requirement for extreme care with regard to the aecurity 

aapect. of the problem. particularly if the problem wel"e to be 1olved, 

he was inclined to doubt that the •ecurity aapect thould be allowed to 

dominate the complete need !or a solution to the problem. 

He noted that la could not a.ccept the eatimate that three month• 

H the ahorteet length of time in which anyone could be expected to be 

effective in the atudy of the problem. If the problem ie pr0perly aum• 

marb.ed and ind•xed (&ad Mr. J"'n.edman aaeured that it waa), then a 

per•on experienced in eom• a.1pect of the problem m1ght make a crucial 

contribution in a matter of a few minutes. He -wae a.aeured that compe• 

tent mathematics.ans are workin1 on thH problem, both m the Office of 

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Prod\lctioa and the Of bee of Reaearch and Development. however, 

he would not accept thi• •• pertinent to the argument. Explicitly, it 

wat th• feelb11 expre••ed by Tompkin• that SCAMP bad made an effort 

to aather the atron1••t group of cleared matheraaticlana available for 

mathematical attack• on SCAMP problems, ea.ch of th••e ia likely to 

have a 1reater knowledge of •ome fteldt of mathematic• than any other 

livina mathematician, and it ia completely illog1caI to withhold from 

them a problem which ia largely mathematical in character and which 

ha• defied aolution for several year•. 

The lack of solution of thia problem doe1 not obviously imply 

incompetence on the part of thoee who are woddn& on the problem. 

In the firat place. there may be too few data for a aolutlon t'O be obtaiaable. In the •ecoad place. a" pon~ted out above. no oraanisation 

c&Jl have a •taff which ie •uperb in every field. and coneultant• serve 

tbo pu.rpoae of •u11eetin1 approaches outaide the experience 0£ the 

preau.ma1tly competent coaeultera. 

Dr. ~ibler •tated hie guea• that there are enoU&h data to per• 

mit & a ~lution of th,e problem. 

Tompldn• stated, pcunting out the inadequacy of his infC'o..-matioR. 

that he believed the argumea.ta a1a.1nat aubmittina any part of thia prob• 

lern to &CAMP were apec1oua and that the deciaion seemed to him to 

be completely co~btent 'WltA a policy of fish.tin& the problem rather 

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Mr. Friedman pointed out that any member o! SCAMP who would 

be willlua to devote three months or more of his time to contlnuou1 

work on thil problem W"Ould be welcome. Thu led to a diacusaion of 

the reluctance of m.atlaemaucian• to 1erve in aaaignmenu whe~e their 

e!fectlvene•• i• u:1. aerious doubt and to diacu••ioa• of the daagers of 

overcompartmentation. 

3. Queetiona of overcorppartmentatiol!.-

There is no doubt th.at intelligent compartmentation promote• 

security and that it interferes Wlth produchven.ese. The queeUons 

rat.ed were question• concernina the diffklllty of attracting mathe• 

matidana to woi-k on Aaeacy problem• i! the compartmentat1ou is 

sufficiently creat to interfere with their effective work. 

Mr. Friedman asaured that there is every effort to avoid Wldue 

interference with production. and thia a11urance waa repeated by 

Dr. Leibler aiad Mr. Clark. However, it could not be dewed that 

the preeantat10n by Mr. Holcroft to the SCAMP croup had indicated 

eerioue gape !;a the commwucations between cryptanaly•ts and math• 

ematiciau. 

ln particular. Mr. Holcroft had de1crik>ed hie work on a par• 

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ticular problem. This work bad progros1ed ineen•oully (but, it 

turned out later, not toward th• correct anawer) for aeveral months. 

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The problem ••emed to be 1ob·ed by a .Brit11h team a. few daya before 

hia pr••entation. The eolution to thia problem would have been 

attaiued by aay mathematician in the audience within a few hours after 

ho ha.d heard Mr. Holeroft!J presentation. Preaumably, thia 1olution 

wat held up for eeveral week• becaU9e of llladequate com.mun1cation1. 

In thb, it i• not true that mathematid.a111 claim to be auperior 

to crypta11aly1t1 at cryptanaly1is, they do claim to be better at math• 

ematic:s.. The ingeniou1 work by Mr. Holcroft had puahed the prob• 

lem to a point where verbal a.nalyei• and analy•H by drawing geo• 

metric design• were difficult and mialeading but where al1ebraic 

ana.ly1i1 waa aimple and direct. The fact that the mathematical problem wa1 not made cloar iadicate• defective communicatioJH somewhere. 

The •tatemente above •ummarize remark• made largely by 

Tompkln• and usually with Dr. Leibler'• concurrence. They led to 

an attempt to outline a better or1anizatioa •tructure. 

It ••emed accepted that each problem ha• a proprietor, who ie 

1n the Ofb.ce of Production. Research and Development help ia avail• 

able to the proprietor of the problem on requeat. The good will of 

the proprietor, on the .-ne hand, and of the re1earcher, on the other, 

ia not challenaed, however it 1• true that each fanly je&loualy i9 reapon• 

8lble to his oraanb:.ation. 

Tompkin• ralae4 the ct,ueetion aa to whether the mi•uon of the 

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are anilable for productive attacks on problema met anc;l whether 

the mi•11on of R/D it not mo1t prop~rly to a•a.ure that faciliues are 

available to carry out deairable research. It seemed que,tionabl• 

to him aa to whether the r•search could be 1ep&rated from the pro• 

ducbve problem•• and he recalled that it ia frequent in organization• 

to provide a 1ort of maternal boas and a paternal one. The first, ln 

the Pacific Fleet for example. might be the Commander of Crwaere 

and De1troyer1. Pacific Fleet, and the 1econd migltt be the com.mander of a fa.st carrier ta1k force uaing a destroyer as a acroen in 

foreiin waters. 

He suigeeted that a ta1k force be organised •• an ad hoc group 

to attack each proDlem, that thie problem be a11ianed to whichever 

office aeomed most appropriate, that tlle u14ividua.ls ae signed to the 

problem be reaponaibl• to the taak force director for this problem 

durin& the term of their assignment, and that their competence be 

auaraateed and maintained by their maternal boa• at all timee. ! or 

r••ea.r<::h personnel, this would imply that the wQrk on the t&ak force 

would be dominated by a boae who might be from the O!fice of Prod.ue • 

tion but that theh well•being would be !oatered by the Ofi1ce of Reaearch 

aad Developmeut (who would, probably, demand that a quarter of the 

re•eareher'• tune be left free for hi• own uninhibited researcua). 

4. ~-•!ll!!tloa !Sat a f?l'Mlt? ,Pa:..-tragftrred to th,t rt••a!£i 1rpup 

at N§A. 

Specifically, Tompkin• 1qceated that the ALBATR.OSS problem 

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•ho'l.lld be trane!erred to the Office of Research and Development at 

NSA along with thoae member• of the force now work:ma on it who 

••em to 'be nece••ary to the 1tron1e•t poauble attack on the problem. 

Mr. Friedman immediately challeD.ged thia eugaestion a• unwiee 

because Of the ultimate pJ"OQUCtiYe amb1t1one with reaa.rd to the probl•m. 

All aide• rull~•d that thi• ducuanon was not aoina to be exphcit. 

for there will be no production without solution, and the probability of 

a aolution under any ae•icnment is a matter of opUt1011, Tompkins 

arauei that an Ofbce of Reeearch and Develapment eovld be e~ected to 

attack uneolved problem• iA the field ol interest to ita oraanization. and. 

that the ALBATROSS 1• certainly both unaolved and of inure at. 8-

point.d out that an. aad1nment io the Office of B.eaearch and Develop• 

me11t {that ia. to a ta•k aroup locat1Mf in thl.11 offute and an1werable to 

ita Chief) would not precl11de tranaf•r back to the Office of Production 

afle.r effective prodiietion start.• He menUoned tha1 th• aa1embly of 

m.euO.r1 of the taak group for both departnunt• WQ\ll.d uaure that 

thi• tran•fer back to the Proci\letion Department would 10 amoothly. 

He mentioned the work on the la.r1e German Naya.l ptoltl.e.m du.rina 

Wprld Waz ll a.a an aaeignmeut of thia type whe1'e the •olubou -.a 

a.ttaiaed Wlder the direction of Captain Engatrom. USNR, rather iAaa 

un4er the direction o:i .. th• aro'lp whkh waa th-en carryina out the proclac• 

ttv• routine. (He alao aotecl that th•l'• waa no aubsequent trane!er o! 

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Mr. Clark and Dr. Leibler did not enter into thu phaae of th• 

diecu•uon. Mr. Friedman was polite, but aave no visible eVIdence 

of ~tng overwhelmed by the logical force of the arguments presented. 

He did not attempt to anawer the argument. however. The author of 

th••• notee ha• eomewhat better in1uaht uito his owt.1 mu1d than iato 

that of Mr. Friedman, but it might reaaonably be aaaumed that the 

indefinite nature of the araument and the la.ck of probable clarification 

iaduced Mr. Friedman from refrauung from trying to examine thi8 

•ua1eatlon in detail. 

5. A •U1&e•t1on that this problem be attacked by an ad hoc task force 

of tile type recently aasernbled ao aucceea!ully lor other problem• 

by Zacllariaa. 

An alternative method of bringing more reaearch power to bear 

on th• ALBATROSS problem wa.a propo1ed. Thia waa the •••embly of 

a special group of sc1entiata to devote a few months to au inteneive 

study of the problem and to make recomm.endationa concernin1 & proper 

ultimate attack on the problem. Thia type of attack ha• been 1pectacu• 

larly auccest!ul on teveral problem• coaaectett with physical aapect1 

of mihtary ec1ence. A l•at4.er 1n attack• of thia type it Pro!e••or 

Jerrold R. Zacharia•. who la Head of the Laboratory of Nuclear Science 

at the Ma.1sachuaetta Inatltute 0£ Technology. He ta mentioned as 

typical, but there are eeveral other 1cient1ste who have undertakeJ:l 

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Profeeeor Zaca&riae has been mvolved in Pro3ect Hartwell, 

Project Charle• an4 the L1ncGln Laboratory. TAeae were •et up 

in aa attempt to contribute constructively and ingenlo\19ly to outeta.ndtng 

mihtary problem• through intenaiv• •tudy. They &11 had eupport to an 

extent which teemed extravagant to eome oalookere and which suaranteed effective•e•• if applicable 1deaa were 4eveloped. 

The type o! 1u.pport required for 1uch pro1ecta e1tem1 to 111clude 

lntimate and unreatrJcted aupport from the hiaheat authority (th• Joint 

Chie!a of Staff in the case of the projecta mentioned above) and generous 

fbiancial aupport. Many falae lead• are expected to be inve1ti1ated at 

cona1derable coat. Following the orig:uial 1tudy the unreatricted aupport 

from h1gheat authority i• n.eeded to set up a mechanism for carryina out 

the recommendations of the group. 

It is unfortunately tru~ that thia highe•t authority muat be convinced 

of the almoet infallible gemut of the workera. Th11 aeema to involve 

aome deii101ta wagere, for almoat any aeniua ha1 hu• detractors. These 

waaer• a.re unattractive to ma.~y ac1entuta, who feel that they are being 

forced to •take their reputauon• on someth1n1 which ll not an assured 

aucce•• in the ata.rt. They are a.ccept&bli6 to some aciemtiet•# who 

may feel th•t the wa&er h actually being made by their aupporta.ra who 

muat bet one way or the otlaer. 

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eomeone ma1razg a atatem•nt which aounda Yery much like a 1ua»antee 

of allctce••. 1£ th• •\lcceae ia not forthcoming (and up to date there 

have 0.ea ae bad £ailurea !rem the Manhattan D1atr1ct Project through 

the iatett atudus•) the c&uae of quantitative 1c1ence in military appli• 

catioaa wo'Wlld take an un}\latified loaa. 

Actually iio one in the converaation in Mr. Friedman•a office 

kne.., much about the detail• of such taak groupt. However, 

Dr. Roborteon has been involved with moat of them, and lt wae aareed 

that hie advice would be required ~!ore any action along the•e line• 

was taken. 

Mr. Clark seemed t& feel that the ••ttmg up of such a ta•k 1roup 

for the 1umm.er of 19SS w&• not fea•tble. He did not preclude <:onaid• 

ering ••tabll.1JU.na 1uch a. sroup later. 

6. Tb• relucta!)pe of mathen;aatidans to aerve in a1a1gnment1 wh!re 

tbeir ef!ectiveae•• it in •erioue doubt. 

Th• natural reluctance of mathematician• to eerve in aeaignmenta 

where their effec:tivene•• 1a in aerioua doubt waa mentioned repeatedly 

tlarouah the ~onTeraatiou. Th-e !lrat remark of the type wae one made 

by Tompkin• that be would be unwillin1 to devote hb full aummer to 

SCAMP in 19SS. Hi& reaeoa aeeme4 •hnple: the Agency had been un• 

w1llin1 to divulae to hun details of the problem in which he £elt he 

woW.d b• m••t eff ect1ve, ani h• wa• unwilling to give up hi.a vacation to 

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work for the Ageucy on le seer problem•. He mentioi:i.ed i.n this regard 

that the employees o{ UCLA do a con11dera.ble a.mount of work for 

SCAMP without remuneration, for the Univer1ity will pay them for no 

more tha.n eleveii month& "W"Ork. Becau1e of other comm1tmente, 

Tompkin• works twel•a months during the years he spends a. full 1ea•1on 

with SCAMP, and one of these month• yield• him no extra 1ncome. 

He aimilarly noted that Mr. Friedman"s unchallenged contention 

that competent mathematician• are devotma their efforts to ALBATROSS 

did not rea11ure him that his work for three month• would be effect1ve. 

He wa1 by no mean• certain that the ineffectivenesa wa1 not due to 

oraani•abona.l difficultiea. He 18 V11lhn1 to concede that the Aaency 

must function with a conaiderable privacy, but under preaent conditlon1 

of freedom of choice of a11i1nment and high demand it it to be expected 

that the mathematician will naturally devote h1a effort. to other problem1. 

He teriouely contended that be could not naorally agree to •pend th ... ee 

mo•th• at the Agency baaed on hi• preaent eetJ.mate of hi• probable I 

effecbveneea there and hla present eatimatea of his probable effective• 

n••• in hb other aeugnme-nta. 

Thia did not repreaent a petulant feeling or a. feelina of unfr1endlineas; it 1imply repreaeAted an opinion that either he h wunformed 

coaeernin1 the pre1-..ut poaaib1lity of productive work by a person of 

}us temperament at the Aaency (in which caae other• are proba9ly also 

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(more likely) that the Agency •et up work1n1 conditio~ whica preclude 

productive effort• by peopl• with thia temperament and ability in the 

belief that the 1t!fortt of othert would be more productive and that the 

overall aoale of tAe Agency would be advanced. 

One should note carefully that thit attitude ia completely dlfferent 

from the attitude of a etriker. Several workers have civen much time 

to A1ency problem• at con•iderable expense. They do not do this to 

get in a poaihon to deny help to the Agency; they ftop doing this, how• 

ever. when it become• apparent that the help they can expect to give 

the Aaency ia 1mall. 

There appe11re to be a kind of deadlock due to the fact that the 

Aeency u reluctant to clear and brief a consultant for a hi&h•level, 

compartmented problem unless be aar•ed to come to the Aeency and 

work on the problem for At least three months, and mathematicians 

are reluctant to commit themae~vea to at leaat three month• on a prob• 

lem about which they know a.lmoet nothing. 

At pre•ent, it aaeme that the SCAMP group will &ive the A1e.aey 

yaluable help by worlo11g in a relaxed and conaenial atmosphere durin1 

the tum.mer month• at Loe Anaelea. Thia help will be in the form of 

reporta which are intelligible to the mathematic1an9 workina at the 

Agency. To the extent that the1e tnathen:iatlc1an1 are aware of out• 

1tand.mg problem•, they can brin1 them to tlae attention of the SCAMP 

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worker• and to the extent that they can work effecuvely then can apply 

the•• reaults to important problem•. ln any event. however, the 

SCAMP aeasione aeem likely to build up a. workable aet of mathematical 

tools appbcable to cryptanaly•us. Theae toola '41rlll remain in t8e poase•• 

aion of the Office o! llfJaearc::h and Developmellt \mtil they can 'be U9ed 

•ffectively • and there aeeme to be no •uperior way to get the•• valuable 

tools developed. The particular talents of prtuently available mathem.a• 

ticians will not be repeated. and their contributions will h. ba•ic in 

future year• a• the Aaenc:y'• proaram contU'luea. 

Thu.a. it ia r-eatonable to a1.tppo•e that tho talents 4evoted to 1•n• 

eral problem• at !CAMP are not be1n1 waited. It is not 10 ea•y to 

demon1trate that these aame taleuts would be applied effectively to 

problem• attacked over • comp~ratively long period by the ea.me math•• 

matician• workini within tp. Agency. 

Dur1n1 the ¢Oaver•a.tion tho Institute of lntelb1enc• which had 

been •u11eated by Dr. Heward T • .Engatrom waa mentiC)ned. It wa• 

brou1ht up both &a a aqgeated instrument for alleviating the difficultiae 

deecr1bed in the section abo-.e and a• a matter of hutoric intere•t in 

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No particular conduaion1 were reached. However. •ome 

nitrrab.ve and deecriptiYe statement& were ma.de .. theae de1cribed 

early 1ugge•tion1 not known to Mr. Clark. 

Dr. En11trom wrote hie •uasestion in a paper behe~ed to have 

been commissioned by the Central Intelli1ence Agency. Mr. Friedman 

had seen the papers Tompkin• had never eeen it, but he had di1cussed 

it with Dr. Engatrom in con:nection with SCAO deliberation1. ($CAO 

wae the forerunner o! NSASAB.) Dr. Le1bler had he&l'd 1omethu11 of 

the pa.per at SCAG meeting• ab"&,.. 

The sugae•tioa wa1 that an lnatitute of Intelligence {poaaibly 

more properly an lutitute of Intelllgenco Science) be aet up ttparate 

from the governmeat intelligence agencies but in auch a way that tbe 

members have full ace••• to the matenal at the agencie•. 

Tompkins had not be•n m full accord with what he had heard of 

thia plaA unle1e it could be shown that a more direct approach to the 

problem• of intelligeiace re1earch ia not !ea•ible. (Hi• 1ea.ral attack 

would be thoae implied in ••ction 4 above. ) However, there wa• and 

ta atrona reason to lMheva that th••• direct attack1 are not !eaaible. 

Many industrial organlaation• have ••t up their own "Inatitutea of 

ltesearclt" eeparate from tlteir productive facUibea becauae o! the 

frictioa generated by the ••ernh11ly ditlereat living atandard1 required 

for eflectiTe production a:ad e.flecbve research. 

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At the time of the SCAG meeting• thi• problem wM bein1 di•cus•ed 

by Dr. En1atrctm &nd the people who had commia11oned th• report. lt 

waa noted by Tompkin• at tho•e meeting• that at leaat .. email acale 

Yeraios would almoet certanuy be productive, and he eu11••ted the 

•wnmet SCAMP pro1ram. Profe•eor Cairns immedta.tely agreed to 

be chairman of the !ir•t SCAMP meetina, and the m•~tlng w&• acheduled 

to begin withia les• thau three month& of the date of the decision to hold 

it (from memory• thi• date wa• in Aprll 1951 and the firat •e••ion wa• 

under way on 1 July 19511 having atarted with a few worker• preaent 

ciuring part of Jutle ). 

There baa been •ome development of SCAMP eince then, but 

mainly in tae acqW.aition of more auit&ble peraonnel. It aeema worth 

while to examine the deairability of a large •c&le development in an 

attempt to meet eome of the problem• mentioned in earlier •ectione of 

tht. report and the problem• which Dr. Engetrom was commiseioned to 

study. 

Dr. Leibler mentioned that he had heard •ome dl•cu1•ion of tJua 

point, particularly with the increa1ed difhcult1ee which miaht be con• 

tem.platsd when the Aaency move1 to Fort Meade. He had been led to 

believe that General Caaiae b aware of the i;:robleme anci that the 

obvious difficultie• in morale s.n the A1ency which would occur 1£ &n 

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in1tltute were ••t up would be face4 by General Canine with equanimity 

if the General 11 conviaced that this 11 the 1tron1eet attack po1•ible on 

the re1oare1l problem. 

C. Tompkin• 

Wa1hington, D. c. 

17 April 1955 

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