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Rotation Plan Committee 

Minutes of Meeting, 30 Oct 47 

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Ch, Pers Sec . . . . (2 )__ __ Ch, Maint Br . . (85) __ 

Ch, Org & Tng Sec (2 __ __ Ch, Res & Dev Div (70) __ 

Ch, Plans & Oper . (23)__ Tech Staff. . . . .. (71) __ 

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Ch, Fiscal Sec . (25)__ __ Ch, Int Equip Br .(73) __ 

Adjutant, ASA. . (26)_ _ Ch, Elec & Elec Br. (74)_ 

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Ch, Lab Br. (91)_ _Ch, Pers & Tng Br . (61)_ 

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Ch, Crypt Br .... (93)__ __Co, Arlington Hall .... (40) __ 

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'l'he Obairm&n briefly l"ev1ewed the o~d.~r setting ap .:the--{~om- ·· _ :--:":i 

·mj_ ttee. and the results ·or its_ t:wo p:revious meet1.ngs. .He reoalle!\ ·· . ---1 ~~o the me31bei=s 'th.at attel' the se~ond meeting no fUl*thel'··aation - .- ;_~ -~;-~ 

was taken be~au_~e uncertainties in.Cident ~~o budge~ry pi'oblenis -., ----~ !.-.. - and th:eir eftects--upon"our personnel levels· and so on ~de 'it .-.:--.7"_~;-_'!, 

advisable" to po~stpori.e action in regard to --rotation or J)e:ft-sonnel,. . :.. ·: -~; 

£ecentl7'Colonel Hayes !nquired·regardin~ the status of the Plan : · ~ 

a.nei 1n..d1oated that he ,;antsd tile Co'Jclilittea to restuiie U;s delibei-a~ - ._, ·_ .. t:tons ... Hti· desi??ed.·that the Co!!!rilittee should make ~dd1·t1onal. -_- ---~--_.---.~_i 

apecif'ic I"9COl'.J.1\9ndation~ _regerd1ng retati.on* Of personnel ~nd~ in~-.-· . _· ~ 

dice.ted that th~ matter· Of l'Ots.ting d1Visio"n Ch1ete should be . . -: .. explor~d'! . . -. . . ,_ - : - . --.· ' ~::: ;- ·- ~ -: - .... :-.: - ... . :_ ,.;' ::..~ --.:· 

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. In ree;ard to ttie persons already rota.ted (Small~ 'Do~le.s, · _ -_:.. -.~~~ -::-

and -Ferner}, nr·. 51nlccv "staf.ed thBt b.a vould" _like to· keep Mr~. -- - . __ _:_ : 

Small for· e.nother- eia:: ·months. -- It was agl"ee'd tbat .no f'ui'.ther - ~ · :·~ · :rotation of th~_~e perso~nel for at ljle.st .. ·six ~qilths: 'f/ould . te;lt:e -: _ ~- - .. _- ~ 

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. - In a~sver--t~ th~ question: sh~U:~d ~~tat_i~QO. be ~de :ror : -._:;:,_----~-.. :_ 

definite periods? · Mr. Row1.ett stated tba·t he believed that it- · . .~ 

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A rev1ev of tbe lists of rot$table personnel previously pre- pared by the division chiefs vas made. After considerable d1seues1on the names or the tolloving vere suggested f'or possible rotation: -

Mr. Dume7, P-6, Chier of AS-76, to.be interchanged with Mr. Ola~k .. P-6, Assistant Ohief' of Security . Division 

Mr. Gordon, P-5 .. Chief of Project Section, AS-76 .. to be interchanged vith Mr. Aus·1~1n., P-5, Chief 

or AS-83 

It vas agreed that the wishes ot the 1no1vidual 1n each case 

should be consulted P1'1or to &D.J" transfer.· 

Due to the ditf'icult7 in selection ot personnel for rotation 

when selection is base~ on 1nd1 viduals ra the11 than on the J.obs 

held by them, it V!l.S apeed that 8 broader p1•ogram based OD a 

stud7 of comparable job descriptions rath~r {~ban on 1n.div1duals 

be studied. Mr. Rhoads vas designs. ted to ma:ce this stud.J". 

The rotation of' Staff' members v1th op~r&Ging personnel was 

discussed. It vas agtteed tb&t this was 1m:poi-tant because business 

relations between these tvo categories ot _per1Jonnel vould pe aided 

by a knowledge ot each other's problems.- ,\t present, it there 

are conflicts in vievs, these are due mainly to the lack of appFe- ciation ot the other fellow's problems f'or .~.n ms.n7 cases_, Staff' 

members have bad no recent operational expe1·1ence (within the past 

two years) and the7 vouta; as time goes on, be at a serious disadvantage in making sound recommendations, ~ in holding dovn an 

overseas job vith the ASA. ·Also, most operating personnel have 

bad very little Start experience. Becauao of the limitation on 

assignment ot grades higher than P-4 to Ste.t:r· •. in accordance v1th 

a decision made by the Cb1et or Deput7 Chl.ef'.,)"··AM,. it was felt 

that no good ·purpose vou~d be served in ~o:ta·1~1ng ~1vil1a~s from 

the operating d~~1sions to the Staff, beoause it is personn~l of' 

grades higher than P-4 ord1naril7 vho would accomplish the most 

good in this regard. It vas deemed mo~t impo~t_ant, however, th.at 

Start members ·be rotated to operating cU,vin1ons_, 1ncase tbe7 had 

no operating experience. rn-the future·, it. ~oul~ be advisable t~ 

assign those vho are to ocouw staff posit.Lons tor a minimum of a 

year in the operating 'cliv1s1ons. _ The pr!e<·nt short toUl' is totally _ inadequate to give a proper appreciation ot tbe problems to be · · encountered. The case of the 32 AAF.otticors to be assigned to· 

ASA was cited. These otficers·are to be uas1gned to the operating divisions and not to Starr. Hence they will probabl7 be ~etter. 

experienced than equivalent ASA of'f'1cers in _th~1r detailed know_- ___ .; 

ledge or operations and v111 be better equJpp~d for their own 

operations in the Air Force. 

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Rotation of Division Chiefs. Mr. Friedman reviewed tbe 

advantages to be gained from such rotation. In addition to thepoints cited in the :minutes of the previous meeting, he felt the.t 

rotation ot division chiefs would provide a £rashness in point of view and prevent the sol1d1f~cation·or people in jobs for 

long periods of time. An Qrganiaation should not be dependent 

on one me.n or a very limited number of' men~ e.nd although it voulC:. 

be a hardship on the individual to switch, the Agency as a whole 

would benefit. Cases vere cite~ ot such rotation in high a~­

n1strat1ve positions in the Bell Telephone System and in other companies~. Mr. Sullivan vas requested to ascertain fz-om the 

Personnel Division of the Department or the Army or elsewhere 

pertinent data in regard to any studies made along this line in 

the oo:rnme~c1al field. -

Mr. Roviett objected to accepting as a valid genePal1zat1on that the "nev-point-of-view11 idea 1s a gooc;t reason tor rotating _ division chiefs. It does not always ·work out 1 and he does not 

believe in shifting for the sake of shifting. If vacancies oocur, 

however 1 that 1B another matter. The application o'f ''new broom" 

in practice often ba.s.repercussions.and temporar1171 at 1east, 

there is a possibility of crea ~ing inefti_cienoies. 

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Dr. 51nkov __ stated that he bas been in his -present position for a 7ea~ and a half. It bas been good experience because it bas 

been new to h1~. He feels, however; that be is totally out of 

the pictUl'e 1n regard to cryptanalysis and ~he research laboratory :fields. He would welcome the c~nge tor 'the et1mulat1on that it 

would bring to him. Bis present position b&s become largely ~out1n1zed. · 

.Dr. X.ullback had a neutral feeling in the natter. In his 

position as Chief of A5-70 he has. dealings vith problems or both 

AS-80 and A5-90. He would not object to rotation, were it so 

decided, although he is completely absorbed in and bJ his present assignment and is not anxious to rotate. · 

Asked ror his op1n1on, Captain Stowbridge indicated his v1ev 

that rotation ot high-echelon personnel, including division cb1efsA 

would be good for the Agenc7. 

Lt. Buchanan, representing Lt. Co°ionel LibbJ" stated tbBt he 

was too new in his present assignment to venture anr views on the 

matter. 

Mr. Sullivan stated that he bad no v1evs on the matter except 

to see that a117thing done ~a~ in baFmOJl.1 with 01~11 Service regu- lat~ons. -

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Mr. Rosen indicated tba.t while he knew the.t rotation of high• echelon personnel was a policy followed 1n the Bell Laboratories 

and elsewhere, he vas opposed to the idea of sh1tt1ng people around just for the sake ot a change to see what might ha~pen. 

Mr. Rhoads was of the opinion that rotation of high-echelon personnel, including Btatt members and division chiefs, should 

be adopted as a general policy wherever or whenever pzaa.cticable. He reiterated tbe fallacy of basing an organization on 1nd1v1duale 

l'&ther than on sound orgamzat1onal principles. Dr. Kullback, 

however, felt tbat even a sound theoretical organization vithou~. 

the Pl'ORer 1nd1v1d'U&ls v111 not tunot1on, whereas the right indivldU&ia w!I! inB.ke even a poorly organized (on paper) set-up tunct1on. 

· The meet1Dg we.a then adjOUPn.ed to await reports from Messrs. 

Rhoads and Sullivan.. 

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