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## HEARING DOCK T IN THE MATTER OF: LINCOLN PARK AVIATION (Civil Penalty Action) FDMS No. FAA-2013-0719 Tuesday, February 25, 2014 The above-entitled matter came on for Rule 16 Litigation Scheduling Conference via teleconference, pursuant to notice, at 11:00 p.m.

BEFORE: THE HONORABLE J.E. SULLIVAN Administrative Law Judge

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### APPEARANCES: On Behalf of the Respondent: FRANK R. GALELLA, III Lincoln Park Aviation 425 Beaverbrook Road Lincoln Park, New Jersey 07035 (973) 633-0450 (tel) (973) 872-6256 (fax) On Behalf of the Complainant: ZACHARY M. BERMAN, ESQ. Office of the Regional Counsel Eastern Region Federal Aviation Administration 1 Aviation Plaza Jamaica, NY 11434 (718) 553-3258 (tel) (718) 995-5699 (fax) Also Present Cody L. Smith, U.S. Department of Transportation

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### P-R-0-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 11:02 a.m. 3 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: We're on the 4 record in the matter of LincolnParkAviation. 5 This is Docket No. FAA-2013-0179. Today is 6 Tuesday, February 25, 2014, and the parties 7 have convened for a Rule 16 litigation 8 scheduling conference. 9 

### The Federal Aviation 10 Administration, which I'll hereinafter refer 11 to by its initials, FAA, is representedby its 12 attorney of record, Zachary M. Berman, who is 13 present by telephone. 14 

### The Respondent, Lincoln Park 15 Aviation, is represented by Mr. Frank R. 16 

### Galella, III. He is also appearing by 17 telephone. 18 

### In addition to the litigating 19 parties, we also have an observer present at 20 the Office of Hearings. That is Mr. Cody L. 21 Smith, who is an attorney with this office. 22 Good morning to you all.

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1 I'll just note that, essentially, 2 the record is such that January 2, 2014 an 3 order setting Rule 16 litigation scheduling 4 process and directing Rule 26 planning and 5 submission was filed and served upon the 6 parties. 7 And, on February 4, 2014, the 8 Office of Hearings receivedthe joint proposed 9 procedural schedule from the parties, which I 10 have in front of me now. 11 I will note, however, that there 12 was an error that you both probably saw in the 13 Rule 16 order that was filed on January 2, 14 2014. My staff advised me after the matter 15 was filed that the docket number and case 16 number were both incorrect. 17 The docket number, if you look at 18 that page one of the order, shows an inverted 19 number at the very last four number sequence. 20 So, instead of 0719 it says 0179. 21 In addition, the case number reads 22 2012-EA-250037, when, in fact, the correct

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### case number is 2011-EA-250037. 2 So, my staff contacted the hearing 3 

### docket, and the hearing docket noted that it 4 

### had already caught the error, hand corrected 5 

### it, and they have filed the Rule 16 order in 6 

### the hearing docket database. So, it is 7 

### available for public viewing. 8 

### If the parties would like, I would 9 

### be happy to issue a corrected order, so that 10 

### the docket number and case number are correct. 11 

### This, clearly, is not an order of substance, 12 addressing any kind of legal dispute between 13 

### the parties, but I always want to make sure I 14 

### offer that option to the parties if you would 15 

### like it. 16 

### Mr. Berman, what's your preference 17 

### in terms of your client's case record? 18 

### MR. BERMAN: I'd appreciate a 19 

### correction. 20 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 21 Galella, is that acceptable to you? 22 MR. GALELLA: Sure, I'll take a

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1 copy. Yes. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. I will make 3 sure that the staff sends out a corrected 4 copy, either today or tomorrow at the latest. 5 Thank you. 6 Let's talk a little bit about the 7 jointlyproposedprocedural schedule, and the 8 parties' plan and action in terms of a 9 litigation. And, to do that, typically, I 10 first address questions to the complaining 11 counsel, and then I address the same questions 12 to the responding counsel. 13 I'm going to switch a little bit 14 today, because I just want to find out a few 15 things from Mr. Galella first about his 16 representation and the scope of 17 representation. 18 Mr. GALELLA, it was not clear to 19 me from the materials, and I need to find out, 20 are you currentlyan attorneythat, basically, 21 runs this operation? Are you a lay person? 22 What's your legal background?

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### 1 MR. GALELLA: I don't have a legal 2 

### background, Your Honor. I'm the owner of 3 Lincoln Park Aviation. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. The reason 5 I ask is because it gives me an idea of what 6 kinds of questions to ask and what kinds of 7 things I need to explain. That's why I wanted 8 to know. 9 If you are not a lawyer, have you 10 had experience representing your company, or 11 someone else, in any kind of legal proceeding 12 that would involve a discoveryprocess and/or 13 a trial process? 14 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, Your Honor, I 15 have. 16 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. How recent, 17 or how distant, was that type of experience? 18 

### MR. GALELLA: Two let's see, two 19 times that I can think of in the last ten 20 years. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And, when 22 you say you have some experience, was that

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### before this particularOffice of Hearings, was 2 it at a district or superior court, was it in 3 

### an arbitration? Can you tell me about where 4 

### it was? 5 MR. 

### GALELLA: It was -- I was asked 6 

### to be an expert on an aviation case that 7 

### involved an accident. And, that was a third 8 

### party that had nothing to do with me. I was 9 

### simply brought in as an expert. 10 

### The other was litigation between 11 

### my company and Valley National Bank, back in 12 2005, 

### that had to do with me directly, that 13 

### did go through arbitration, but did not go to 14 

### any final court hearing. 15 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. That's very 16 

### helpful. Thank you. 17 

### So, essentially, you've served as 18 

### an expert witness in someone else's 19 litigation, and then you spearheaded an 20 arbitration dispute between yourself and 21 another private entity. Would that be a fair 22 summary?

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### 1 MR. GALELLA: Correct. The 2 litigation with Valley National Bank, I was 3 represented by an attorney. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, you 5 served as consultant with the attorney on 6 behalf of your company then. 7 MR. GALELLA: That's correct. 8 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Is it your 9 intent to act as the company's representative 10 throughout these proceedings, or are you 11 planning to hire counsel at a certain point? 12 Have you made up your mind? 13 

### MR. GALELLA: Originally, I had 14 counsel retained for the embryotic stages of 15 

### this particular case. It was decided that 16 going forward for now counsel was not 17 necessary, due to the nature of the complaint 18 filed against us from the FAA. 19 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. What I'll 20 do is, I will assume then at this point that 21 you are going to be representing the company 22 throughout these proceedings.

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1 And, I'm going to be asking you 2 certain questions, and then probably spending 3 some time explaining some things to you that 4 I think are important for you to know as a lay 5 representative. 6 MR. GALELLA: Okay. 7 JUDGE SULLIVAN: If you choose at a 8 later time to hire counsel, that's fine. You 9 are welcome to do that at any time. 10 Mr. Berman, why don't I start then 11 with you, in terms of the joint proposed 12 procedural schedule. Thank you very much. 13 Just so you all know, I have a 14 wonderful draft procedural schedule, and I 15 took some time to write up yesterday, and we 16 are having computerproblems today and I can't 17 access it. So, I'm going to be asking you 18 some questions that I thought I had resolved 19 yesterday. 20 It looks to me, from the materials 21 that were submitted jointly by the parties, 22 that you are looking at about September, 2014

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### 1 for a hearing in New York City. 2 

### Mr. Berman, about how many 3 witnesses do you think you would be calling 4 for that two-day hearing? 5 MR. BERMAN: I don't-- I don't see 6 any more than two or three, probably the 7 investigatorwho processes the case, plus the 8 pilot of the aircraft, if we can get him to 9 come here from Switzerland. I'd say two, at 10 most three witnesses. I'm not sure who else 11 we might have. But, off the top of my head, 12 I can think of two witnesses that we would 13 probably need. 14 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, would the 15 investigator also be testifying about the 16 proposed civil penalty? 17 MR. BERMAN: Yes, yes, he would be. 18 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And, the 19 total time of your case in chief will take 20 about how much time, within that two-day 21 frame? 22 

### MR. BERMAN: I'd say it should

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### 1 probably take a half a day. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Turning to 3 you, Mr. Galella, how many witnesses do you 4 think you would be calling? 5 

### MR. GALELLA: I would be probably 6 calling the same witness that Mr. Berman is, 7 it's a Mr. John Ho that initiated the case. 8 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, when you say 9 Mr. John Ho, are you talking about an FAA 10 safety investigator? 11 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, ma'am. 12 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Just so 13 that you know, you cannot subpoena the FAA 14 

### employee. You can certainly cross examine 15 them when they are called by the FAA, but 16 there's a regulation that does not allow you 17 to subpoena their employees. 18 MR. GALELLA: Okay. 19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, so that you 20 know that. 21 

### Who else besides Mr. John Ho are 22 you interested in asking questions of?

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### 13 1 MR. GALELLA: It would be one of my 2 technicians, Michael Colombo. 3 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, anyone else 4 that you know of? 5 MR. GALELLA: No. 6 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Would you be 7 testifying? 8 MR. GALELLA: Yes. 9 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. And, have 10 you thought about how you are going to testify 11 and ask yourself questions as the same time? 12 MR. GALELLA: Urn 13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: I 

### mean, it's 14 possible for you to get on the stand and, 15 

### basically, do a narrative statement. But, 16 most people find it a little overwhelming to 17 try and represent the company and testify at 18 the same time. 19 

### I'm not saying you can't, you 2

### o certainly can, and I've seen people do it. 21 But, if that's the case, you may want to think 22 about having someone to assist you at the

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### 1 trial, so that they can be present to ask you 2 

### questions and to respond to objections while 3 

### you are on the stand. 4 

### Does that make sense? 5 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, ma'am, it does. 6 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Anyone 7 

### besides yourself, Mr. Colombo and Mr. Ho? 8 

### MR. GALELLA: No, ma'am. 9 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Obviously, 10 

### this is just a preliminarywitness disclosure, 11 

### and I'm sure that both parties will have a 12 better idea, perhaps, a couple of other 13 

### different witnessesby the end of the process. 14 

### But, Mr. Galella, how much time do 15 

### you think your side of the case would take? 16 

### MR. GALELLA: I would say no more 17 

### than two hours. 18 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. I note that 19 

### the parties have reserved two days. Mr. 20 Berman, is that because you want to err on the 21 side of caution? 22 MR. BERMAN: Yes, that's correct.

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1 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. I don't 2 have any problem with that. 3 Looking at my calendar, I'm a 4 little-- I'm unable to set the matter exactly 5 on September 9 and 10, 2014. I can, however, 6 set it in November, 2014, and I thought what 7 might work best is if we look at our November 8 calendars, set the trial, and then I can 9 backtrack and look at some of these other 10 dates and maybe give you a little bit more 11 time. 12 So, Mr. Berman, starting with you, 13 and looking at your calendar, do you have time 14 open the week of November 2ct? 15 MR. BERMAN: I do. I'm open the 16 whole week. 17 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 18 Galella, looking at your calendar, would that 19 also be available to you? 20 MR. GALELLA: Yes. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then let's 22 try for November 4h, 5th or 6th.

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### Mr. Berman, do you have a 

### 2 preference for either starting on Tuesday or 3 Wednesday? 4 

### MR. BERMAN: I have a preference-- 5 

### Tuesday or Wednesday I have no particular 6 

### preference. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 8 

### Galella, how about you? 9 

### MR. GALELLA: I can do any day. 10 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well then, 11 

### why don't we-- why don't we plan on starting 12 

### on Tuesday, November 4, 2014. 

### We'll reserve 13 

### Wednesday, November 5, 2014, 

### and then return 14 

### on November for those of us who are 15 

### traveling return on November**~.** 16 

### And, we have, typically, had very 17 

### good luck in reserving courtroom space in 18 

### Islip, New York. 19 

### Mr. Berman, do you have any 20 objectionto trying for Islip first, or do you 21 

### have a preference for another location in New 22 York?

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### 17 1 MR. BERMAN: No, I don't have any2

- I don't have any objection to Islip. 3 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 4 Galella, would that be acceptable to you as 5 well? 6 MR. GALELLA: Yes, Your Honor. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. We'll start 8 with Islip, New York, and if that doesn't 9 work, if we have problems getting courtroom 10 facilities, then we'11 move probably into the 11 Manhattan area. But, our history of looking 12 for courtroom space usually has found us a 13 courtroommuch more easily in Islip, New York, 14 because of the new Federal facility there. 15 

### Okay. So, with a November, 2014 16 hearing, that gives us a little bit more time 17 to work with schedules. So, I'm going to 18 suggest a couple different things, and I will 19 just kind of outline what I think might work. 20 

### You've indicated a March 1, 2014 21 general discovery start date. My question to 22 you, Mr. Berman, is, have you already done

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### Well, I have a question. Is that 4 required. Unless the Judge orders it, is that 5 required in these proceedings? I don't know 6 that it is, unless the Judge requires it. 7 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: I 

### generally 8 require it, because I think it makes it much 9 more easier. It's much easier for the parties 10 to proceed when you have complied with basic 11 discovery disclosure before you start doing 12 requests for admission, interrogatories, 13 and/or deposition. 14 

### MR. BERMAN: Right, I agree. I 

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-- I'm just noting the reason that we 16 didn't do it was that it wasn't required yet 17 by you, Judge. 18 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Well, just so you 19 know, it's in all of my litigationorders, and 20 I usually discuss it with everyone who comes 21 beforeme. So, it shouldn'tbe somethingnew, 22 although it might be new to you, Mr. Galella.

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### 1 Do you know what I'm talking about 2 when I talk about initial disclosures? 3 MR. 

### GALELLA: I have a general 4 

### idea, yes. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. What is 6 

### your general idea? 7 MR. 

### GALELLA: That both parties 8 

### would put forth an original statement of 9 

### events and why or why not they feel they are 10 

### either legitimate or not legitimate, 11 

### basically, bringing us to what the merits of 12 

### the actual case are. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well, you 14 

### certainly could add to your initial 15 disclosures, but that's not what is generally 16 anticipated. 17 

### Initial disclosures usually 18 

### involve identifying who you think has 19 

### information that's relevant to the case. You 20 want to identifywho you think your witnesses 21 

### might be, and what, generally, they might have 22 to say about the case.

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### If you have documentation that is 2 in your custodythat is relevant to the issues 3 

### in dispute, if you want to identifywhat those 4 

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### sharing with the other party some very basic 6 

### information that starts the ball rolling. 7 

### General discovery, on the other 8 

### hand, is where you start the process of 9 submitting formal requests to the other side 10 

### to obtain additional information. 11 

### And, the whole process of 12 discovery is, in fact, correctly called. So, 13 what each party is doing is, they are trying 14 

### to discover as much as possible from the other 15 side about the strengths and weaknesses of the 16 other side's case. 17 

### And, one does that through a 18 varietyof different tools. The easiest tool, 19 of course, is to call someone up, or to email 20 them, and ask them informally for things. 21 But, informal requests, generally, 22 cannot serve as grounds to ask the court to

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### help you. So, when you do general discovery, 2 often times the parties engage in very formal 3 requests, which are often called requests for 4 

### production, where you ask in writing for the 5 

### other party to produce certain documents in 6 their possession, or requests for admission, 7 

### where you ask the other party in writing to 8 admit or to deny certain facts, material, that 9 are relevant to the case. 10 There are written interrogatories 11 that may be submitted, which are written 12 questions to the other side to answer about 13 various parts of the case. 14 You can serve the other party with 15 

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### deposition notice, saying that you, 16 

### actually, want to depose one of their 17 witnesses prior to the actual hearing. And, 18 when you do that, you, basically, hire a court 19 reporter, you work with the other side on an 20 agreed date, and time, and place, to have 21 their witness show up. And then, you ask 22 them, formallyon the recordvarious questions

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### more about why that witness is so important. 3 

### So, those are some of the things 4 

### that people do in the discovery period, or 5 

### general discovery. 6 

### In this particular procedural 7 

### schedule, it looks like you were giving 8 

### yourselves about seven weeks, from March 1, .9 

### 2014 through April 21, 2014, to complete all 10 general discovery. And, I think it might be 11 helpful to add a little bit more time to that 12 process, in part because in most discovery 13 

### circumstances once you serve discovery 14 

### requestsupon the other side, they, typically, 15 will have 30 days to respond. 16 

### If a party takes 30 days to 17 respond, and you get those responses and don't 18 like them, and think that for some reason they 19 are not sufficient, then you have to have 20 enough time within the discovery period to 21 seek relief from the court in a motion to 22 compel discovery.

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### 1 So, I always like to pad the 2 discoveryprocess time a little bit, to allow 3 

### for that contingency In the majority of 4 cases that I hear, people exchange discovery 5 without any problem at all, but sometimes 6 there are problems, and when there are I want 7 

### to make sure the parties have enough time to 8 come to me and get some help. 9 

### So, let's do this. Let's

-- I'm 10 going to suggest that we have an initial 11 disclosure period from now until March 11, 12 2014, with a start date of general discovery 13 either starting on March 11, 2014, or, say, a 14 week after, March 18, 2014. 15 

### If we do that, we could run 16 

### general discovery for about about three 17 months through June 6, 2014, and then have 18 dispositive motions filed no later than June 19 27, 2014. 20 

### I need to also add into your 21 proposal a summaryjudgment motion conference 22 

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### 1 deadline for filing a summaryjudgmentmotion, 2 

### we could set July 15, 2014 for filing an 3 

### answer, July 29, 2014 for filing any reply, 4 

### and then we can look at our August calendars 5 

### to see when the parties may have a little time 6 

### available for a 90-minute motion conference. 7 

### Mr. Berman, does that sound 8 

### workable to you so far? 9 

### MR. BERMAN: Yes, it does. 10 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 11 

### Galella, how about you? Does that sound 12 workable? 13 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, ma'am, that's 14 fine. 15 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, let's 16 do that, and let's start with-- excuse me, 17 I've got -- I have a little frog in my throat 18 --okay, let's start with initial disclosures, 19 

### and have those due on or before March 11, 20 

### 2014. And, I will sending out a litigation 21 procedural schedule that identifies all of 22 

### these dates. It also gives you citations to

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### referencing, so that you can use them as 3 

### guidelines. 4 

### Mr. Berman, starting with you, do 5 

### you want to have general discovery start on 6 

### March 11, 2014, or on March 18, 2014? 7 

### MR. BERMAN: It doesn't matter to 8 

### me, either date is fine. 9 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 10 Galella, how about you? 11 

### MR. GALELLA: March 11th is fine 12 with me. 13 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. We'll have 14 general discovery then start on March 11, 15 

### 2014. In the litigation procedural order, 16 you'll see some informationthat I'm not going 17 to cover today, but it will be about how to 18 file objections or motions regarding deficit 19 discovery. And, I would simply note that if 20 you get some material that you don't like, 21 your first action is to always call or contact 22 the opposing side to talk about it, and see if

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### you can't resolve your disagreement 2 

### informally. 3 

### And, when that happens, you want 4 

### to make a note of it, because if you cannot 5 

### resolve your disagreements, then you add that 6 

### information into your motion when you contact 7 

### this court. And, the discussion to try and 8 

### resolvethe disagreementis, typically, called 9 a Rule 37 conference, and you'll see reference 10 to that in the litigation procedural order. 11 

### So anyway, so March 11, 2014 is 12 the general discovery start time. Let's have 13 general discovery completed by June 6, 2014. 14 Now, we haven't talked about this 15 yet, but I think it's important to identify 16 your expert witnesses, if you have them, to 17 submit resumes and a statement of what the 18 expert is going to testify to. 19 Mr. Berman, do you, typically, do 20 that during your initial disclosures, or do 21 you have a preferred time during general 22 discovery that you do that?

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1 MR. BERMAN: Well, I could do it 2 either way. I know who, I do contemplate 3 calling John Ho, who was mentioned before, as 4 an expert witness. So-- and I have a pretty 5 good idea of what I would expect him to 6 testify to. So, I think I could have him 7 I could do an expert witness report relatively 8 early in the process. 9 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 10 Galella, do you have any particular expert, 11 other than Mr. Ho, that you are thinking about 12 calling? 13 MR. GALELLA: No, ma'am. 14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. You had 15 mentioned Michael Colombo, is he some type of 16 expert? 17 MR. GALELLA: No, Your Honor. He 18 is the

-- one of the technicians that was 19 involved in the reason for this case, and his 20 last name is Colombo. 21 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay, thank you. 22 Is he someone who is going to

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### testify based on specialized skills? He may, 2 in fact, be an expert in his field. If that's 3 so, and you want him to provide testimony 4 

### about an opinion, based on his expertise, then 5 

### you might want to have him give you a resume 6 

### and provide that to Mr. Berman. 7 

### But, that's up to you, in terms of 8 

### the scope of the testimony that you want to 9 

### elicit from him. 10 

### What I'm going to do then is, I'm 11 

### going to look at the calendar, and glve you 12 

### folks the time frame. Why don't we have 13 

### expert disclosure on or before May 2, 2014, 14 

### and then that would give you both a chance to 15 

### request depositions if you need them. 16 

### So, if we have general discovery 17 

### closed by June 5, 2014, 

### we can schedule June 18 27' 2014 

### as the deadline for filing 19 dispositive motions. 20 

### Mr. Berman, would July

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### just take a look would July 16th 

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1 motion? 2 MR. BERMAN: Yes. 3 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. 4 Galella, does that work for you? 5 MR. GALELLA: Yes. 6 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then what 7 we'll do is, we'll set July 30 then for filing 8 any reply. 9 Let's take a look then that our 10 August calendars for a time for summary 11 judgment, oral argument. Starting with you, 12 Mr. Berman, is there any particular time in 13 August that works better for you, or that's a 14 blackout date? 15 MR. BERMAN: I, generally, go on 16 vacation around the last week or two of 17 August. I'm not sure of that, we haven't 18 planned it yet. 19 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. So, 20 probably the week of the 4th or the 11'h would 21 be best? 22 MR. BERMAN: Yes.

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### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Galella, would 2 you be available either the week of August 4th 3 

### or August 11th? 4 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, ma'am, any time. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Why don't we 6 

### do this, the week of August 11th. That would 7 

### give the court a chance to read all of your 8 

### materials that you file. How about August 9 

### 12ch, which is a Tuesday. 10 

### Mr. Berman, do you have a 11 

### preference for morning or afternoon? 12 MR. BERMAN: No, I 

### have no 13 preference. 14 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr. Galella? 15 MR. GALELLA: No, ma'am. 16 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Why don't 17 we say 1:30 to 3:00 on August 12, 2014, for 18 the summary judgment motion. 19 

### We've already scheduled the 20 November 4 and November 5 for the hearing. 21 So, let's see. Let's talk about a September 22 date for filing witness lists.

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### Mr. Berman, do you have a 

### 2 preference for a date in September? 3 

### MR. BERMAN: No, I 

### have no 4 particular preference. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Why don't 6 we set this at a time when you can be back 7 

### from vacation for a few days. How about 8 September 19, 2014, for an exchange of witness 9 lists? 10 MR. BERMAN: That would be fine. 11 JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, Mr. Galella, 12 would that work for you? 13 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, ma'am. 14 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. We'll do 15 that. 16 And then, I'm golng to set a time 17 in October for submitting any kind of written 18 stipulation. 19 

### Mr. Berman, why don't we set 20 October 10, 2014, for submission of any kind 21 of written stipulations. Does that work for 22 you?

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### MR. BERMAN: Yes. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. Galella, 3 

### does that also work for you? 4 

### MR. GALELLA: Yes, Your Honor. 5 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And, if you like I 6 

### can schedule a last prehearing conference 7 

### shortlybefore the trial, if you want. If you 8 

### don't want me to do that, that's fine, too. 9 Mr. 

### Berman, do you have a 10 

### preference? 11 

### MR. BERMAN: No, I 

### have no 12 preference, just if you deem it's useful then 13

-- I have no preference. 14 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Mr Galella, how 15 about you? 16 

### MR. GALELLA: I would invite the 17 opportunity to settle without coming to the 18 

### courtroom. So, if we want to put it on the 19 schedule, and then cancel it if there's no way 20 to resolve it beforehand, that would be fine 21 with me. 22 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Well, I,

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1 typically, do not participate in settlement 2 discussions, because I'm your hearing Judge. 3 So, if you like I could schedule a telephone 4 conference for a final settlement conference, 5 but I'm not sure that I need to do that if you 6 are engaged in active discovery process, 7 because, typically, part of every litigator's 8 work process is to always be engaged in 9 settlementdiscussionwhile you are engaged in 10 preparing for hearing. 11 So, the two, actually, go hand in 12 hand, and I always suggest to the parties that 13 you want to look at discovery as a process, 14 not only to find out about each other's cases, 15 but also to see how close you can come to 16 holding hands across the table. 17 Sometimes you can't do it, 18 sometimes you can. 19 And, what I will do is, I will 20 maintainthe August 12, 2014 motion conference 21 on my calendar. If neither you, Mr. Galella, 22 or you, Mr. Berman, file a motion for

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### 1 disposition, or motions for summary judgment, 2 I'll simplyconvert that phone conferenceinto 3 a prehearing status conference, and I'll ask 4 you to convene at that time and just tell me 5 where you are at, in terms of the litigation 6 process. 7 And, at that point, I think if you 8 are talking about settlement, or you want to 9 have another conference or two between August 10 12, 2014 and the hearing date, we can set 11 those up closer ln time. So, the option 12 remains available to you. 13 Mr. Galella, would that work for 14 you? 15 MR. GALELLA: Yes, Your Honor. 16 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Mr. Berman, 17 is that acceptable? 18 

### MR. BERMAN: Yes. 19 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. Then Mr. 20 Berman, starting with you, is there anything 21 else that I can address for your client today 22 before we close?

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### MR. BERMAN: No. 2 JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. 3 

### MR. BERMAN: No, Your Honor. 4 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: And then, Mr. 5 Galella, my question to you is, is there 6 anything I can talk about with you while we 7 are on the phone today about the discovery 8 process, your active role in it, or any other 9 matters that you might be curious about, or 10 need to know about, before we close today? 11 

### MR. GALELLA: I don't think so. 12 No, Your Honor. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Okay. You will 14 get in the mail fairly soon a litigation 15 proceduralorder that identifies all the dates 16 that we've talked about this morning. It will 17 also give you some information about how to 18 file for motions, or how to get a conference 19 call set up on my calendar if you need it for 20 any reason during the pendency of your 21 litigation process, between now and the 22 hearing date.

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### I, typically, will not send you 2 out a notice of specific hearing location 3 until about two months prior to the hearing, 4 

### ln part because we do have cases settle, and 5 

### we try to wait a little bit to allow the 6 parties to see if that's possible before we 7 

### start calling Federal courthouses and asking 8 them to reserve space for us. 9 

### In addition, there is, in the 10 

### procedural order, some information about how 11 

### to mark exhibitswhen you bring them to court. 12 And, there's information about who to call in 13 the office if you have questions. 14 You heard me say when we began the 15 conference that Mr. Cody Smith was sitting in 16 

### as an observer today. He's, actually, your 17 contact person at this office if you need help 18 

### procedurally with anything. He can't give 19 anybody advice on how to present your case, or 20 how to litigate, but he can, certainly, help 21 you with trying to get cases set before me, a 22 case set before me on my calendar for a motion

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### 1 conference, or explain things in an order. 2 

### And, his name and phone number 3 will be on the very last page of the order, so 4 that you have it handy. 5 

### With that then, it appears that 6 our business is complete. I'm going to thank 7 you both very much for your work today, and in 8 presenting the proposed procedural schedule. 9 

### We can go off the record. I wish 10 

### you all a good day. Thank you so much. 11 

### MR. GALELLA: Thank you. 12 

### MR. BERMAN: Thank you, Your Honor. 13 

### JUDGE SULLIVAN: Thank you. 14 

### (Whereupon, the above-entitled 15 matter was concluded at 11:42 a.m.) 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

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This is to certify that the foregoing transcript

In the matter of: Lincoln Park Aviation

Before: DOT

Date: 02-25-2014

Place: Teleconference

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under my direction; further, that said transcript is a true and accurate record of the proceedings.

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