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FREICB COllMOIIC ATI JIB SBCUBlft COt.'PI~CB 

1000 IORDAY. 25 MAY 1953 

Room 19-2a2B, u. s. RAVAL SECtJR!r'!' S'l'ATil.B . 

WASBUDTOB • D. C. 

'l'haa e pr eaent; were: 

Mi-. W. F. h1edman1 NBA. Chall'lllan 

M.r.·. R. P. PaokU'd \Sta·te) . L•. W. H •. Godel (OBD) . 

lk. V. P. Kea7 (PB?) ·> 

11.c •. F. e. BOltlett (CIA) . . 

C~pt. R. L. Ta1i.or. USN. (B&YJ') 

Capti. G. Ol'ans•• 081' (&av1> Co 1. 11. L. Sbel'~UJ'n, US.A (AzilnJ) 

Lt. Col• J. •• Andwaon, UB.a\P ·(All' Pol"oe) Lt. E. B. •onnen7, J&·., ~eo.oet.ar7 (EA) 

NBA Obsenua - D.&-. L·. 1'. Sh1m 

Dr. L. w. '1101'della . Dr. U. J. ~tt.A&9J' C'!! ·-·- • 

M•·· Fl'&nk AuatS.n 

1. The m1nutea ot the t119at; mee.tlag wel'e ooaaldel'ed 

aid the J.a~t OlaUae· rJr pa.ragl'apb 6 OOl'&-80t8d to .read 88 

tollma: " •• 9 am untll tba t . .report; waa available l t· 

would be 1papce al ble tor the us contereea to .reoo11111end t; o 

USCIB a US poaltlon." Otbe&' nonaubatant;lva obaneea •el'• 

directed and the minutes 11ppi-ovad aa cori'eoted. 

2. W1th l"efu8110e to pa£"ae;l'aph 8 ot t;be · mlnutea or 

the first; moet1ng. the Chail'man sta'ed t;bat, in an 

1ntavlew .wlt;h JI.ii. Elliot. be bad "'equeat;ed h1a personal auJ latest views aa t;o the state at internal (pb.Ja1oa1 

and periaonnel·) aecu1'7 ln the Premh aove.mment;. In 

aubatance,. Ml'. iU11ot•a'v1ewa, 'lB repm.-ted bJ tha Cbali-man, 

wel'e aa tollowa: tba ti cel't.:i1n !mpitove•nt• have been nade 

in the al'med services and pel'bapa in certain ot. tbl clv11 · 

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Tbl8 doe-mt 18 be raad onb' b:r u.- panaallllll dkiwb' indoatrlaac.d in with - mualcmlioa laClllU11111• -'t:r l'98Qlatl- ud. ilutbodad to ftllllln the iar-tlaa IWparCild ...... 

'i0P 3J:IJUilf edea - wmt!ft IHP8ltMA!l·31 

adm!n1atl'ation•J h09evel', 1n t:he 111nlet:l''J or Pol'etan 

Attal•• (MFA) 11t;tle lt anJ 1mprOY•eD1i had been 

accomp11ahed thu.a tu J and that an appitoaoh to ti ha MPA 

would be. 1nadv1aable .• , this ti• beoauae 1' 1• not: known 

'llbo · 1. aeoure. · 1'he Cball'llAD added t;ba t; a cable. baa been 

aenta bJ Mr •. Blltot to the CIA·••Pl"e•enta,tve ln Pu•l•, ·'° aaaertia1n lihe l•ed la lie. al·flua tlon and an 1 nt el'lm 11epl7 la expected b7 27. Ma7• 1961. 

3. In el•bo.rat1on or the· tCll'a2olng atat.-nt, •·· Kea7 

stated. that aeow.•1t;7 1n Pl-anae Sa notJovOl'anent; wtGe,, and 

·that tho Fl:emh could not; be com fdu- aeoUl'_l t;7 cona~loua. 

Be aa1d that tbeJ mva bandloap• to ovenaDe ln appoaob1ng· · anJtblng .l!ke what •• bave. lixamplea ot bandloapa were 

as to11Clia: 26 par cent; ot eleotorat;e la conaunlstto,· 

the oonat;11iut1on prob1b1t;a t1r1ng •DJ' ga.ernment; •PlO'J8•· 

tor pollt;1oal belleta, and OOJmJ.unl•• le oo.-14e•ed a• . Just anothor po11t1oal belief. In conolua1on be· noted 

that Fiemoh aecUl'l1i7 was improved but; t;hUI tu •ti• well 

belm aooeptable atanGal'da. E0<3. 3 ( h l ( 2 l 

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'·· The Chail'mn o1nted out the d1~t1au1t o.bl• to 

be taced 

Barevel', t aame o•• on wou ll08 · 

pi•o ablJ not be . d enled to the sov let;, beoam • l' la \\ . . prea-.d that lt baa the ••na ot obtatn1:dg Cha 2ntorm,lon 

tztom agen1ta. °" qould a.teal tt. or,pt;anatiel'lal.. '!'et ln ti• 

ot war we a.re 'lao be· allle.4 •ltb these IU!'O gawel'llllletia\ arld 

the aeoul'ltJ ot ou 1i:r-oopa 'Ill 11 .to a s&-•'•. ar leaael' 

degl'ee de))tmd on the11' oommmtoatlon seoUl'ltJ'. In an7 

caee the net result or •hateva aatlon •• take r-lm tbe 

••••· namel7: It we tell an!I abow them bow to lm 1'098 their 

o toa atema and asaoola tad p&-ocedUl'ea • 

e a .._n · ar"!d that thel'e we.re so• who relt; that the Pol7soldea 

l'eport does not;. present a ol•ar-out aolutilon .t;o th.• ~blem. 

Dr. Shlnn then ezplalnac1 that tb1a. wae due t;o tbe. 0011111!t;tee 

being civ en two aapu•at;e chal'gee--the t:l.&'at; • to make a a tUIS7 

ot tbs taota ot leakage of v1tal 1ntcmnat1on, am tm 

aecon!, ·to .make the pap.- a baal• tr. tbe ottlotal 

poe1t1on· to be talcen b7 th& VS contueea 1n tbe tOl'thoaniq; aonte&-enoe, wlt;h apeottlo .i•ecommerdationa. Ke 

added that tba .L-eault was not atrlotl7 one· thing ~ ·the 

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Tbbl ci-.::!l'be rad 011'1' bl' thma permaael allelally iadomlut8d la with - llUllllmtloo ~tlllllpom uaurlQ' nplatlollll Ucl al&tlaorlad to naalve the 1111~ npaltad lllllnla. 

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. 5.. In a dlaouali1on ~OaDel'n1ng ·ti~ .not;ad 1mpi-we•• ~·r ·. · ot .Prench Conmunloat1ona eeaw-1 Q, Ml'• Rowle't a·tatad that . . 1 t ··could· be oonallldlld tba t; auob 1mp&'ov.-a'· ••• · due. to ~ne,, · 

OI' « ot ti.be tol~cnd. 1:8 I · . · ·: · . . : · 

a. oeneral ·worJd-~lde tendem1 ~~·~• ·bet~~ . ' · i 

Cl'JP'og&'apb!o ••OUl'ltJ.. . ct. 

b. !lA!'O Jli-CM<l'aJP ot 1mpr~~nt .. ln 017ptogl'aphio · 

usage. 

~ci.·. ~. 8. 11.r. Rowlett· au.:;zeat S:n m'der t~ proaeed •1th. 

the Wol'k assigned to thl• oollllllttee lt mlgbt be adv1aabl• 

tuat t;~ ezamlne t;be Polrzold• ~•port, next to oona!d• 

the question ot Pl'emh internal eeoUl'lt7, and t1nall7 to 

enter into d!aouaelon w!th tbe Bzi1t1eb to aeoertaln tbe1~ 

v!ew•.. The Cba1r•n pointed out; tba t tbe !1'1 t;l•b. ••• com!~, aa at•ted in the LSIB memo to T.JSCIB, "to 1•evle• 

the propoa ad tao tlo • or the appaach to the l'l'eaah" , and 

not to review the whole -queatlon. Capt;. '!•7101' oompent;ed 

tba t 1n view ot Mr. Dullea' statement tbl t , the 'llational 

Securtt7 Counoll. ahould be aaked to reattll'lll the tJS 19&1 

poa1t1cn, we were not 0011111ltt;ed to.-ltlng an appl'oaoh to 

tba Pl'enobo Ur. Pl'1ed•n then 1"8oalled that ln a reoent 

telegram to .J3r1s~ Tlltman, the oontenta at whloh •el'• 

0 ·to Real' Mmil'al Weigel'. tt waa hinted that; •· 

waa incl med 1n the UK team in Oi"der to be in a 

p n to deal wl th 1iba whole queatlon ot whether or not . lt is adv1aabla to nake an approaoh. 'rberatCll'e, lt ••- clea.r that the tart:hoomlng contuenc e 11111 go bqolll a. 

mere review ot the ;priopcaed taotloe ot an appitoaoh. 

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Auat1n to p•eaent; auob genaRal comment• aa be oared to 

mke. Mr. ·Aua 1'1 n at;at;ed tbat be felt; b -"•PO&'t !a ·a 

good baala tor d1aouaalon •ltb the Bi-l1i111h. ex~•!UDL&-.._ ...... __, lt does not s o 

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... TQIP SF?&R1!1' li1'-!~~ . TW. c1oewa.:11'ba ~ oaly b;r th- parmml!ll oftllllal.!¥ indaeViaaW ID .... _ -;th - llllUllielltloa IDClllllpa• -=wi&l' 1qUladOGll aad aa&laariad to ....a,,. the laf-ti1111 nparNd llllnbt. 

!SP s·Deili111' eA!fS • saetfiPn ItPaRllA'l'Ialf 

that tbe Ol'JP,O•JB·tema ~ these alllea ue so~ ~ut; bl&' 

prooeduea •I'• bad. %1; 1a known that se can improve tihe 

Pl'Goedurea; b.me9• tbB iieault; ot tbl• would be· a ••.,le• . / or atw a:nt-1 1 · 

3. Dr. Silnn co1m1ctod that 1t wria juat; a mtt;er ot 

::; Ba :latl!d ouil that ah'ead7 atapa· bad bam t;a~m t;o I __ _ lhelp -o IATO gove•mema ln tm tCftl ot . 

· o p • mac nea iiid °'he,. 017ptaa•el'ta1. '!be l'eoo•ead•- · 

filona at thla l'epart would .• ..... ·••1-t;o •aoh a d901'8888: anll 

anJ dh-eot appl'mob 1nvolv1nal ; _ I 

w0'1ld a~oelel'ate 1t even. we. Be eugge1 id ibe quea 1011 

to. cona1dezi :ta: How /taat doe• the. us want; th1• proaeaa 

to be speeded up7 · 

9. '1he oont.el'eea thll pit.OOeeded to examine 1'he 

oom:l.ua1om and '·eoommenS 3~lona ~ ti. Pol7•01dea 1'8POl'1a _., .. · agl'eed ·to P'•eaent tm ·to11ow1ng oomalnta thel'eon to 

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a·. A Pll'&&••.Pb ~ aboul.d be 1nol,ud9". um er 

_Sootlon B· on page e. to '•ad as fol~•• 

•sonetbeleaaa, ·it can be .aaaumed V;Bt; the 

aeouzi1 't'J ot mllS.tial'J '"attlo oau.ld be•I'· 

· lmpovanen, .• • · 

b. V~lth l'etei-enoe to pu•&819apb 6 ti Seot;lon C. 

on pap ., , 1' abould be noted. 'bat while tm 

total number or meaaage• con1a1n1111 1.ntonat1on •hoe• "leakage• t;o tibe USSB mde them pot;ent;lallJ d- l t; tB lid; .... ,.. ••• iea a a ot 

Ch Pu-agl'apb ., ot seotlon D (page 9) should be 

l"ewcrotid to &-ead ae tollowe a · "An ertor1i · 

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to 1mprove. na'tonal oqptoR19apb10 amt · oonnunlcfltlom l)l'aotloea could i-eduoe 

ap1>£9eolabl7 t;he total cammunloati!qna aeou.dtl'f ~oblem um• oona1duatSon and abould be llllde 

Pl'1 or to anr et tart to al to the Ol'f pf;o- a~ te• baa1oa11J ar to en00.waste tba us• ot 

mare compl·loatad 017p~~,ul'apb10 equ1pman,. • 

d. ·. Pal'aei-apb l ot t;bl Reoommeatat1ona (pa~e 10) 

ab.ould be i-ewaitd od to i•ead -"Ro ra-tlon-,0·1a ti1 on 

•PPl'_oaoh !nvol'."~18 d!aoloa•••" eto., 

10. 1'he cont•••• then ae•eed tbat: 

a. It pa11a!_"l'apha 2 alXI 4 ot the ReoolB9a1atlona 

. a&'e 1 l•mted 

r. t c 1• '~ f 11 d epentl on be. loag. ·"'E·o·" ;.;···.··· "';' ,;,;·······················································'"--·-----___.we wlab to take to lmple•at t;hoae 

PL s6-36/5o use 3605 reoominendattom. · · 

b.· The tOl'ego1ng cona.equmoe should be made. oleu 

to tBClB .~at tboae ln hlgber •-*bOl'lt;7. 

o o Tbe .M3 Hoo C~•1tt;e• RepOl't; co1.1ld well aene aa 

a baa1a tc. dlacualon · wltb the UK d.elegatlon 

-to tlw tarthoCllllrg Us/UK ContererJD•• . . 

do "The tJlt dele~atee ma7 h!lve 1ntoma~1onmt . 

poeaea·aed b7 the US delesatea, o• ~h97 •7 be 

able tio preeent; .tta mattei-e lnvolved ln a 

dltto.&"ent llsbt;, or as a consequence· cl fl'a~ 

1ntel'ohange ot op1nlon.- tbe ·us delesatea .mlgbt better be ·able tc •~rlve at; ~eooaneldat1oiw 

tor a tBClB and tibua, in tun, a QB poaltlon •ltib-~ea~ot; to.the que~tlon ot the adv1aab111t7 

ot aaklng an app11oaob to tbe· Prenob alll othe• 

IATO countr1ea. · 

a. USC IB be 1ntonacl ot the oplnlona expreaeed in 

·i·UbpaJ-agi-apbll !. ~ad ! above.· 

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t. w1 th retoeno e ·to pal'•!':itaph .,_ ot t:be ·aec~D!atlona (par,e 11), tr. 1ib8 pzieect; 

ISC ahould •l'el7 be wleted aat tarol'mad ot 

an impending oonte.reno •. •l th t;m· Brl•l•li, .. .., the reaacma tbe.retOl'J the l8C mould not;, •' · tble ti.me, be aaked t;o attlna an7 prevlou 

deolaton OD the. qaeat;lon • t;o •k• a mw 

deotaton ·sn t;he prem1••· 

11 •. 'lhel'e was aom c11aouaalon of t;be ad•l••b111Q' or 

reoo1111ell! 1rg to tBCIB at 11ia tort;boQllll~ met;lng on 

28 •7 196~ tbat • •••age be sent; t;o the UE •uss•••taw 

that;, beoauae at the COJ1iplex1t;7 ot •he J&'obl ... 1DV0198't 

and the abartneaa ot t1• ln wb1oh t;o oona1d 81' t;b• and 

&l"rlve at; a f'll"• poeit1on, 1ibe oont81'8noe be poetpoaed ·ta. 

a abort; ti!•. BowevOI', tile Cont•e• tlnall7 agzteed noti 

to •k• auoh a l'eoo.,..adatton; on tba oont;.ra117, tba7 telt ... tbat thei-a waa pel'bapa aome~h1ng to be galned b7 n°' aaldng 

to.r a poat;ponea.nt; elaoe dleouaalon wlt;h t;be UI delegate• mlsht; belp .. jo1nt;1J· to· t1rd a logloal poeltilon 1n tbe 

whole qQeat1on. . 

12. There••• no.tua-'hel'.bualm•• to co• betare 

the me•ti1ig. The. ••'1• ad30Ul'Qed at; 1810 • 

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