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Item 2 of the Agenda for the 103rd Meeting of USCIB, 

held on 14 May 1954. 

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In reply to the Chairman's inquiry, CAPTAIN\ TAYLOR stated that the 

Working Committee, under cognizance of the Director, N$A, and chaired 

by Mr. W. F. Friedman, had submitted its report for consideration by the 

Board. 

MR. FRIEDMAN stated that the Committee report is, for\ the most 

part, self-explanatQry; however, he said he wi.shed\ to point\ out that the 

Committee had reached an/impasse on certain po;:i.nts\which ultimately 

required a split report. He proceeded to describe \briefly the six 

enclosures with the Committee report, and said that\ he would be glad to 

answer any questions~ 

GENERAL CANINE, recalling that he had been the first to table this 

problem, request.·e<i an opportunity to express hi. s .v .. iellW or+ er injVi. ting the members' attention to the geographic location of. '1'ith 

respect to other European countries, he comm ted.u on our efforts for 

two or three ears to obtain certain 

===::::::!i=..::;wh.ich is available from prac ica no area o er an ............................................. ~I· He pointed out that this coverage is essential to his fulfillment of' consumer requirements, and added his opinion that it would 

be necessary for the Board to think in terms beyond the limitations of' 

Appendix P to obtain what is desired. Recognizing the fact that such 

arrangements would represent a new policy concept for the Board, he 

expressed his opinion, based upon discussion with Brigadier Tiltma.n, 

that USCIB will have more difficulty rationalizing its position in the 

matter than will LSIB. 

In response to a question by the Chairman, CAPTAIN TAYLOR reported 

informal information (from SUSLO, London) to the effect that the British 

will approve an early July conference and will inform us that the U.K. 

delegates will represent GCHQ, Air Ministry, Admiralty, Secret 

Intelligence, and Foreign Office. He also attc· ·. to SUSLO an 

inf'ormal report of' hints to the eff'ect that the ··.. have approached 

the British with the idea of' a collaboration agreemen • 

THE CHAIRMAN, ref erring to the overall problem, ·· ... stated that there 

were many questions to be answered. He commented that some of the 

papers on this subject tended to deal with procedural matters, while it 

is evident that the basic principle has not yet been agreed. He thought 

it incumbent upon the Board, be.fore proceeding further, to make a 

determination that it is in our best in,erests to mo~, with the British, 

toward closer COMINT relations with the 

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MR. ARMSTRONG suggested that a prerequisite to the\determination 

proposed by the Chairman could well lie in the answers to\ some of the 

agenda items scheduled for consideration. He referred specifically to 

security arrangements in the countries coneemed, and estimates of the 

probable relative value of the information to be obtained.,. pointing out 

that sufficient reliable data on such factors prepared by\the Working 

Group, would enable the Board to detel'lll:ine ld.th g~ter aliSc·::· 

advisability or inadvisability of clo$er collaboration with 

He aclmowledged the validity, and :importance, of the geogra~~~asiderations presented by General Canine, but expressed his opinion that 

there were other considerations which applied and upon which. the\members 

should be advised in detail before making a decision to proceed. 

GENERAL CANINE said that if he were a member of a. working group 

preparing the details in ques.tion he would want to know 'What the Board 

had in mind as general policy. He expressed his• belief that it would be 

much less difficult for a working group to accomplish•. something if they 

knew, for example, that the Board had gone on record to the effect that 

there was a COMINT requirement which could be sati.sfied only by 

MR. ARMSTRONG said that he could not d"sa ee with General Ca.nine's 

as to the im ortance of obtainin ______ _,area;/however, he repeated his belief' that if information 

on agenda items "a" through 11d11 were made available the Board would be 

in a better position to determine a proper course of action. 

THE CHAiijMAN added that the answers referred to by Mr. Armstrong 

would also help determine the accuracy of the allegation that only I !could supply information on the a.rea.s now partially "blacked 

out". 

GENERAL CANINE stated that his technicians had assured him that 

this was correct. 

THE CHAIRMAN expressed his willingness to assume that this is true, 

but added that he would like to see the evidence. 

ADMIRAL ESPE a.greed in principle thatl lcould yield 

valuable information, also that it was important, as suggested by Mr. 

Armstrong, to look at all sides of the problem before making a decision. 

He said he tho~t it would be difficult, howev .• ·er, to determine the 

capabilities of~ fithout calling them in. 

CAPTAIN TAYLOR stated that it is one of his duties to keep infonned 

on the I I With this in mind, he 

expressed the view that we do lciiow something or the capabilities of the 

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I & /He then .,.evi e1a1:ed r VS.l.J.able inf' o:nna tion on the 

subject which indicate that thel > 0ef.f.ort, though small, is of 

high competence and in consid .. e. ra,ble me.a.sure\ .. suppo.<:1.· .. <ed bv U.S. money. He pointed out that we have B:i:-~eports \.on the ] degree of 

competence, and added that<theL__Jorganization1> though slightly 

larger than that o:d f{ is completely new at the> game. He went on 

to say that none of t ..·h.·e·/l•~··:r°"• so far p~r· .. tained. to· ... ·· .. u.s. competition with the British in the field. and nginted 0)1t. that the British 

had agreed in 19 53 to permit t e \ which we wished to 

give the I ./ I It mi t therefore be a· visable ii said, to grant 

the British request for and assume 

authority on our mm par o go a ea wi in order to 

guide their intercept to our benefit. Referring o e material which 

thel lhave requested from General Trudeau, he pointed oul that Jt 

did not include COMINT, although the material supplied by the in 

retum may, upon occasion, contain certain COMINT in.formation. He 

offered the opinion that there is no reason why General Trudeau should 

not go ahead with such exchange arrangements outside the CCMINT field. 

He concluded by expressing the view that such actions might improve the 

atmosphere of the conference. 

The members then proceeded to discuss an earlier recormnendation by 

Mr. Armstrong that answers to items 11a. 11 through "d" of the agenda. be 

prepared as a basis for further study. 

MR. SHELDON recommended that the Working Committee complete the job 

thoroughly by submitting information on items natr through 11£ 11 • 

MR. ARMSTRONG expressed his view that a study of "a" through ttdtt 

would provide the Board with the information necessary to determine the 

answer to the question posed earlier by the Chairman. That being 

accomplished, he said, the Board could then determine how to proceed 

with the steps involved in items 11e" and nrn. 

GENERAL CANINE raised a question which he recognized to be in the 

1'methods and procedures 11 category, yet one which he considered quite 

important, namely, the type 01' collaboration to be engaged in. He 

stated that he had asked the Board, when this matter was tabled, to 

approve overt collaboration rather than any type of covert arrangement. 

Such a recommendation was made, he said, in the belief that formal, 

rather than covert, collaboration inevitably produces a greater a.mount 

of more worth-while information. 

'IHE CHAIRMAN reiterated his belief that methods and procedures 

should be detennined after the members have agreed upon a basic principle. 

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GENERAL CANINE reminded the members that we have a•:rormal request 

from LSIB to go beyond Appendix P in collaboration with! L and 

noted earlier Board action in th·e···· ""f: He rid he i~ .. • now··.. convinced that LSIB1s delay in replying to our request was~ 

intentional, i.e., not withheld/until CIB's reply on theL___J 

request was received. 

The members consFdered the advisability of giving LS .. IB a "green light" on itsl proposal prior to the coming conference. 'While 

there was a willingness on the part of some members to approve the 

request, if such approval were considered not to prejudice our position 

at the time of the conference, it was ultimately agreed.that such 

approval should not be given, on the chance that it might jeopardize 

our bargaining position. 

CAPTAIN TAYLOR made reference to our agreement with the Canadians 

and quoted paragraph 7c which provides that neither party will enter 

into third party (other than British) agreements without prior 

consultation and approval. 

GENERAL CANINE stated that he had sent Admiral Wenger to Ottawa 

some two years ago on this very subject, in connection with the 

conclusions and agreements reached at the February 1952conference in 

London. It was agreed with CRC, he said, that USCIB reserved the 

right to proceed without prior consultation in making third party 

arrangements concerning areas where the communications were not among 

the assigned Canadian tasks; however, with regard to arrangements with 

countries of direct concern to CRC it was understood that the prior 

consultation provision would be observed. He stated that general areas 

of CRC interest had at that time been indicated on a mJ' and that the 

portion o~ _being discussed 

was outside CRC's assigned area of interest. 

'IHE CHAIRMAN invited further comment on the proposal made earlier 

by Mr. Armstrong. 

The members discussed the possibility of the existing Working 

Group being able to present unified views on agenda items 1'a" through 

"d" in time for consideration at the next meeting. The Chai:nna.n of 

the Group reported on the difficulties encountered in the Group 

discussions, expressing his opinion that the main problem was a lack 

of understanding on the part of the members as to whether the Board 

wished merely to modify the type of collaboration arrangements which 

now exist, or take a completely new look at the problem. He said that 

it was his understanding at the outset that the latter was true; 

however, in view of the Board's discussion he now wondered whether he 

had understood correctly. 

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CAPTAIN TAYLOR read from the minutes of the lOlst and 102nd Meetings 

on this point. 

GENERAL CABELL, who assumed the chair when Mr. Dulles was called 

from the meeting, suggested that if the existing committee is irretrievably split on the items to be considered it might be well to give the 

problem to a reconstituted committee. 

GENERAL CANINE observed that there might be some merit in this 

suggestion, and stated that he would designate Mr. ~ Raven as his 

representative. f'R•••·~ 

MR. ARMSTRONG said that his Department would continue with the same 

member. 

It was agreed that consideration of the problem will b~dertaken 

by a reconstituted committee under the chairmanship of Mr. N''\a.ven, 

who will be notified of his committee membership by the individual 

member organizations. 

GENERAL CABELL then asked if there was objection to having the 

reconstituted committee consider items "a" through "d", subject to the 

understanding that upon agreement on these items the cormnittee will 

proceed to consider items "e" and 11f" and submit recommendations 

directly to USCIB. He suggested, further, that if the committee fails 

to agree on items "a" through "d", the differences be resolved at a 

special meeting of the Board. 

There were no objections to this procedure. 

' The members then discussed the matter of a deadline for submission 

of the committee report. It was agreed, in view of the scheduled date 

of 15 June for exchange of position papers with the U.K., that the 

committee recommendations should be available for consideration at the 

next regular meeting of the Board (11 June). 

GENERAL CABELL raised a question concerning paragraph 4 of the 

proposed agenda, asking if earlier paragraphs did not include its area of 

interest. After a brief discussion it was agreed to delete paragraph 4. 

GENERAL CANINE inquired concerning the conference delegation. It 

was brought out that the committee has recommended (in USCIB 28.18/1) 

that the delegation consist of one representative each from NSA, STATE, 

CIA, Arrrry, Navy and Air Force. 

GENERAL ERSKINE asked who will head the delegation. 

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GENERAL CANINE, pointing out that this is more a political than a 

technical matter, and expressing his opinion that we should send a high 

level representative, proposed that Mr. Armstrong head the delegation. 

GENERAL SAMFORD and MR. SHELDON endorsed General Canine 1 s proposal. ::.. . Following a recommendation by General Erskine that the number of 

technical advisers accompanying the delegation be kept to a minimum, 

GENERAL CABELL suggested that the members propose specifically their 

delegates and advisers at the time of the 11 June meeting. 

It was so agreed. 

GENERAL CABELL urged strongly that Mr. Armstrong accept the chairmanship of the delegation. 

MR. ARMSTRONG thanked the members, and said that he would require 

a few days to think the matter over, and consult with his immediate 

superior, .after which he would make his decision known. 

DECISION: (14 May 1954) USCIB agreed: 

a. To accept the following recommendations contained in the first 

report 0£ the Ad Hoc Committee submitted as an enclosure to USCIB 

2!J .18/1: 

(1) The proposed letter from the Chairman, USCIB to the 

Chairman, LSIB. 

(2) The proposed conference agenda amended to delete paragraph 4. 

(3) The proposed composition of the U.S. delegation to the 

conference; i.e. one delegate and technical advisors as 

required, from NSA, State, CIA, Army, Navy, and Air Force. 

b. Not to accept the second report of the Ad Hoc Committee subId-tted under USCIB 2f1 .18/2. Instead, it was agreed to appoint a new 

committee, under the chairmanship o:r Mr. Francis A. Raven, which will: 

(1) Consider proposed agenda items 11a 11 through "d" and, if 

agreement is reached on these items, to proceed with 

consideration of items "e 11 and "f". If agreement is not 

reached on items "a" through 11d", present divergent views 

to USCIB for resolution at a special meeting. 

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(2) Submit recODlll.endations to USCIB in sufficient t:iJne to 

permit consideration at the regular June meeting, with a 

view to having approved. U.S .. position papers available 

:tor exchange with U.K. authorities by 15 June 1954. 

c. That member organizations concerned will sul::mit to USCIB at its 

next meeting the names of their conference delegates and technical 

advisors, keeping the number as limited as possible. 

d. That Mr. W. Park Arm.strong, Jr., subject to his availability,, will serve as Chairman of' the U.S. Delegation. 

e. Not to approve,, prior to the conference,, the U.K ..... u:re uest for 

authority to extend the scope of their collaboration with ond 

the provisions of Appendix P,, UKUSA. 

This item to remain on the agenda. 

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