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C lVILIAN EUPLO!:!E~'T BOARt 

Uir.utes of Xceting Held 

16 tea~mbar 1946, .Room 117 

Th~ Civilian Employlt'.ent Board 11'.et at 1300 hours, 16 tecember 19.l.6, with the fol~o111ng nem~d pereons present: 

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Lt. Colonel Jen:es H. i'rier,. Jr., C0':111:'.anding·Off1cpr, l~l::lngt,on Hall Station 

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Lt. ~olonel John t~. ~:fbby~ C}li1:f, _Pe?"~onnel Eection, ASA Steff 

r:a3or Hamill t •. ~ones, Executive Officer·, Anai- Security Apncy 

Lr. A. Sin~ov, Chi~f, Security Division, ASA 

Ur. F. B. Rowlett, .Chief, Operations tiv1e~on, ASA 

iir. ?.far'k Rhoads, _Assistant Lirector of Communicstions Research 

~ .. .. Mr. Glenn. Starlin, ~Meir, PPrsonnel and Training Eranch, ASA 

Also present~ 

.. . Ir. Leo Rosen, Aas't. C°t'iP.f, Research and Development t:hrision, ASA 

Mr,, A. I. Luma;r, Ch:fef, Cr;yptolog:tc Branch, ASA_ 

~r. C.R. ~eeter, C~i~f., Technical Steff, R&Irt1viF.ion, ASA 

Yr. E. 'l'. Rowland, t:lect!'Onice I: Ele~tromecbe.nice'! Eranch, t~&A 

. Hr. Alfred RoFe, R&t Livision, ~SA . 

kr.. H. B. Staurr~r, Technical Staff, R&D Livision, ASA 

Following are !l'i~utes <it the hearing grsnted l~r. ~Uliarn ft. ·netcher. to perr.d.t 

him to elaborate upon hie 'ffritten ana'l'E!r to charg~s or in~fficienc7 placed against 

him by ~:LQAS•7C. ~:r. Claude t. Daweon, Cha:!rmen, VC'terans Preference Cor.ur.1ttee, 

Amf'r:!cen Lee~on, tept. of the L1etrict of Columbia, was present es counsel for.Jar. Pletch~r. · 

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<':!t.t-d in" your 'anev:er under ;>£reeraphs 1., 51 6,-?. etc~, thrrcin .18 consicered nitten :_! such an :lr.coherent mnaar a~ to t .. :lnacequnte as a refutation to. the epeciffc cbiJ.rge)· .:. 

unee-r rPvi~'ft'• ·Sjtr~larly, th_~ 1tr.Ms lit"ted unCf"I' 11 C~nelusion° in 70'''" ens-.-er are _con• -·--·: 

::'!Sc•J"ed too 1-~e~f'rel anc! incoh~ent in netu:r~. Ii ie the qpinion of the Eonre, tliere-· fa~. that ;rcur.r.r!'li~n an&WPr _9.0(!~ ~ot-ct?n•titute a eat:le!actory nfutat:lon of the ~hlr@P8. It j p further t'he opinion Of_· thP P.oert= the~, in kt?epitJS nth your stated" ee- - •ire,. thie 1'etir1ng should h• ~uctec!. ·rhe .epa:rd no'! s!ts_to hf'fl1" eny turther &t.ate• _.-1. 

;;;..;:nt YGU l!'ight td.l'~ to :aske rt.".iative to the epeo!tic charge& and J'CNI" answer thf'reto, · ~. 

a CO}i)" Of which l"i&)I been furn1ehed each IM!il!bel" Of tbo &arc!• . ·. _ -- --- • . ... - .... -·- -: 

liB1 -Q1f§.C!l1 For the purpo•E" or thl'! recort! here, ,;.y s~ hRve the. •P"aU'ic1it1ona of the·· 

el':Arc;es whiab are no• 12nder conei~erat.ion end r.ldch are to be conafderec here. I have 

not eeen the charges becau1e I C:fo ·isot •nt to get 1nvolvN in 11\1 propol'it.ion aa to ~r;2t th~7 111i.r.ht tie. end, :ln mattere pP:rt.lining to 1 ~ecret ?oere. - Jr it ean be wrri\ten 

into the record at tlds tire, I 'culd lit.c to hove the.apeciti~a''~~• to the specific ~harg•s to ~nich Yt' ere now to_~ake an~w~~ in an.~pen hP.arjng, i.e., the two spaoifi~ 

cations which '"'"re not class~r~ed a·s s~oret. 1 -.cruld like to_ know ~uet t1het tbqy are 

eo tli&t ir •. netcber csn answer a;pecifittally thoee · che,.gea. Are they veey long'i · • • 1 I 

U!R.i S'l'A@Ll!J1 The letter spec:lr1call7 outlining the cbargee ie th~ one. deted 4 r.ecember 19~6 -.hi.ch trent forY.'8rd ·to ~r. J.'le:tcher •. These charges are blrt!d on tho two unclase1 ... tied speciticetiona ~r. Fletcher hae written s!noe hie ereployment at this Agency. (l 

eopy Of the .4 .tece::r'ter letter _US given to f,Tr. fA~t~n._) _ . ~-

i!\a. !;'ROI& Ia there ellJthing·in here secret othPr then the chargeat 

YB· U~RLllf s The cl'.argea ere not eecret. 'l'he general nature of t.he charges are ea 

{C)llowst l. · hequent.oni'!saion 0£ l'elevant eng~noer:lng detaila in Fpec:ificnt:fon.drett.sa 

:; • lncl'll&ian of cons1df!Tabie 1rl'elevant ceta in epcc:ir1C£t.~on _drafte. .3. Inadequate · or i~proprr ernpbasia on eo~b the ceneral and apea1fic requirement• or a device or project. aa '&Titten in i;ihf' epecif:foation. 4. 0<'ncre1 lack ot coh~renc;r in specification 

f!rafts. The letter of 4 :&eceJ:ibPr outlines specif'!~ Jnstance& of those cherges. 

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JJB,, tUSQlh Your letter _of _tecember 4 covers the S'-&ttnrs which Jle> are to dis'cUsa to• - c.1. All Nletc to those -.i:e discuss te>eay a~ no other matters? 

:,."R. StAIJL;pl 1 'lhe L.-Lecember letter i e supple~f'~te:rjr to the one ;-ent 15 tloirember and H.- _ ----

i a more speioific in the et£teir.ent of charger. 'l'hefe charges rele.tP to the two ~pecif'i~ · - , 

cation c.iTatts prnio11Bly 11entione4 which we ~ve aVa.ilable tor re-v~ew. · · _·: - - - - - . -- '--:-£ 

~R.a FLt.TCHf.1: "Coun-sel C!oes not Imo\\' a thing aloout thia case. lie has· not seen a cow · ·- or the letter and IV' answer. I feel if be :le to be 11!1" counsel he should know what has 

been don~. It he is allowed the privilegP of sjtting in this hearjng, he should tee 

ell mstPriel. ltavfl' notbin3 to indicste.-it~s. restr1ct"ed .- · · . - - . 

l.1R. LAY;Stth Before ..-e reac~ thi~ point, 1 t ie cuatome ry- in heering• or th:f s. ldnd, and 

hearinge I h11ve con(lucted, to-have pe:rties Tho 11ring the charges 'tefore t'1e 'Board· sus- ·--

tain the chargflB· He "ho hos been eo cbargtad ~e permitted to testify as one would in 

a civil caeo or ·es one would in 8 tJ. s. coilrt. I!as the ratter been discussed and hea~d 

:ln session? · · 

IJ.\,.§'tllLYO ~he charges bnve zone· tor'f!Brd only in written -~~t~-cant and the written -~-~~ answer ha1 been returnee and reviewed by the Board in eccoroance with applicable regu- , :_ 

l8t1ona. The letter ·or 4 Decer.1tier Eteted that. if· the replY to the charges, by' letter, 

na considered inadequate, a ·bearing 'l'ould be granted at this t1iPe to prc:rmit. further '" __ _ 

elaboret.:fon by l\tr.· Jletch.er. GreJOOIF~IBJ[EOOJ~~IL . . J • -- '• 
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!Ra..LAWSf>U,: ·In other 1\"0rde, tho. r:oerd heen't reached eny ·cfof:inJ.tc conclusions end 

you fire g:lv:l~g ~.~r. fletch£r. a chance to enswer :core s·pec~f1cally. 

llABLlfis Thet 9s right. 'The Peard has considered the written statement an inaC.equete 

answer to chargPs as ecvanced and is holding this n:eet'ing to pemit Mr. P'letchAr to - · £Upplement hif'· written nn~~r to th_e charge~. · · 

L,AV:SON: I am going through the cl"..ergee and, es -?Jr. 1''letcher hss a copy, I am going 

to ask him that he npw explain more in detail for the recorc!. ~ow, referring to 

paragraph 1, will :you answer the~ r-ore epPcificnlly, in cetn::il? 

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u. mtTM: I think you have an Ex.'1ibit 6!1 OD the 0lf-ft henc eicSe of the spec:f.fi .. ca t.i~n folder. Is marked "restricted • 11 Refers to A.RC or GLCf. type device. Ifo. i · -

does not make ~enti~n only.ARC or GL<l':' device .• Fails to make thet referenae; there~ 

tore, is in error. 

(Pspere marked 11 r~stricted 11 were reviewed and it \\"8.S detnrl"ined that !~r. Lawson · 

r.oulc have acceP.s to them.) 

. §TARL,ll: Paragraph 1, charges as l'Ubrnitted ...... 

. LU.%CJ.11.R: A geseous arc refel"rf'!d ••••• . - . . STABLII: (Reac par 1.) .

11This specificetion was prepared_ for a developreentml contract for a sub-miniature trio<ie of the cold cRthoee· type which will conduct high currenta, and hence, muet probably depend on a gaseous· ere discharge for opt'ration. tue 

to the extr~r.ely difficult operet1onal r~quiremente, it ia not deeired to restrict 

the contractor to any requirements other then operr.tional. Oper1Jtio11el requirements 

consist o~ cart~1n pertinent current, volte~c, ond operatins cats. In adeition, physical feRturea eucb as size anc shape tr.sy l:o specified ee dedrable. 11 

f&ETER: 'Frm the technica_l etancpoint, it is 1r.:y opinion thet the word!nc; or paragnipn 

1 ie all r~ght for the purposes or the paper. 

IJ,ETCif!..R: I obJect 'to thet sta.tement. It iP not COl~E'Ct with refP~nce 1.o tho arc. 

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I would like n,.. I:ePtar to know thet the ARC end Gtc.': are not the esire end he feil2 to 

give thP diffei•ence. · · · :/.:~:; ' -- • J 

. kljI'IEB: I hardly think that i~ ihe thing to co in" B non..:-t~chn1cal ~ntroduction of. ~ ·-· ·:;:,~-" this sort. ~ · , · · · · · · · ----: ....... _ ' ... 

Ili-'l'Cm;~: That 5 Et not a tru~ description~ Ther~ t re two ci fferent types of devices .. ARC anci GLC-:: are different. "'I'he operat.1ona1 requirements cons~st of certain pertinent current, volta;.:;e, ~nc opel'fiting ce-ta. 11 Yo•, in your exh:JMt you 'dll find that .... I follo,· explicitly the order. enumE:reted on .. this GLO'.'.' dieclorure. . . -

.. §TAKLII:. toes thif. hevt eeytbir..g ~~ d~ '':I th the ste_trmPnt of flpflOi~c charges of_ . 

inefficiency ae outlined in the letter? I • .. :: '' 

llf'rCJl1'.I: Naturally, because if .there is an error in the opening stetell'P.nt, how can 

you know whet is follo~ing? · 

§'lARLIN: It seP.~s thet this first stete111ent is only a general 1ntr0duct1on for background purposPe. The 11'e:ttf'r with which you, enc the Eoerd, sh~ld be concerned is 

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the ststem~nt of epP.cific inet~nceF of factors wtich are consioe~ed lacking in the 

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Jli..TOJfUl: tau.are buil41ng a bu:llding and you say et the ·start tbe1•e ·1s on17 going 

to be one door in that building.. You would build the building with en~ coor. It 70u 

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·eay there are going to be two doors, one a glass door and ~ea moden door, you would 

change the construcMon, '°ttl'!n't :you? Here ..-e_say- there is one type con'9truction of 

a tub(' and he-re we say there are t,10· which operate differently. !cu will find in the 

opt?ta·i·g paragraph B of t'!~~ descriptio~ tbat I en:umerste these tv:o factors; 

S'fABLJI:: ~culd you li~e to rev:lew th:f a 1!pecif1cst1on, fir. ~eier? 

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aABLmr the one llr. Fletcher makea undw '

11B1 with regard to ARC or qto'll •• ... ~. . . . .... 

[l.!TCBEB: tue to .the tact that Jr!~. Rowland wrote tb!e ·statement, I think he should 

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be t.he one to elaborate on ~he d:ltterence-'between tlie ABC and the GLOI. · ··-~---

Bm!L&lm.t 1'e have alread7 decided that point ..... 

1ill'TD= I think I can olarif)' the ·question here. The fundamental idea in t.hi~ develo~;---7 ment was to build a· tube wb~ch would carry a certain amount of current. From an engi• 

neering standpoint, t.he tube would be, opera:ted to have ·an electric glo..- or arc: How- . ever• if the manutaotu~r would deviee e<m:ft other method we would not object. Now, 

the statement :In paragraph 1 where it says, •arid hen~ must probebl7 depend on a gaseous arc discharge for operat:tou,n - is nothing more then a descriptive phrase to establish the general-type ot item with which we are concemed. I don't eelieve that 

the paragraph need go into a descrlpt:lon or the tuoo.-

NXQHEJ.1 I object io that stat·ement. Would Mr. De-tter distinguish between an arc 

discharge in. o. h_igh vacuum tubiea and a glow discharge S.n a high wouum tube. lou don't 

know what that man is going to use. In regards to the device it :lB steted it is a 

gal!teous arc.. I 110Uld i1ke to lrno• difference between glow diacherge. end arc. 'lhia _ specification ws not written 1.e an afteirth01.1ght and vas written as a baaic disclosure .. 

~f41U.I1t Then, ~ :reel it la not permis-sible to use 1n tMs introdu$Jtory siat~ent·; ·- "must probably depend ob e gaseous arc discharge for ~perst!on. ? · 

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An'CiJtU: Renects a detioienoy on the part ot Ur. Deeter mo ROte that draft._ T~ere 

is nothing sbout the ability and f~cts. AR 850-25 calls for facts and no probability~ 

I would li'ke on record that this vas on the 18th or September when specificetio~ was 

written to be typed. It ·'•a awe time in typing and all this materiel is afterthoughts 

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lQTC~: I ant on record what th91 re_fer ~o. _on GLO~ and ARC. .. . :...::....; 

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SSJI: I have no tartber statement. That po:lnt refei-rEid to in paragraph 1 u.as· not 

meant as a epec~:fication of a tube or complete outline of engineering requireme~ts of 

the tube. It was m8}'811' to set a basis for the rennjnder of the informetion as set 

forth ~n-the charges. "hether the glov or arc discharge tub~ or both ms mentioned 

is ~ot a _pert:lne11t po:lrit ·with r.e-erd to the letter of charges. 

DA!BOJh 1'as this a~ e~_rimental propos1t10n? - ·--. .--- I '" 

FLE'J'CHER: I don't know; But 70u bave given to him in form. - 'l'bis is e development 

contra ct; there:rore, them • s no , regards to t~e experimental pa rt 

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·~·"\t :!.!i the if~pc, i?\ .~cvc:J.oi'o:;i~:tuw~o'irl:;;'ct~, -:If I ar: n·-.i~'Ufltft", yot. t~nirier .. <"-~~ ~- u T!i-'.~ts of t.hr.t cev;t'!r. ovc-:- 1c \h" party or nmd'acturer -'~o- b. · 'vinr. to cr~te · :_ --_: = -;.. tfth ;-'"rt.ielaler ceac, n'.' htYC e C4Sl"UiD t;rpca of tul=P (lft • bratc Ci&closurc. ·. -:~-

~}< t. r; fe-rf to ~iiiet"tlot clasEtrs of t\J'tt'll •Mch1 in ent!rel"y dS.rrP.n-nt... lfh~ ~ne · ~ 

;:-f';:-t-n~• u~ "" ire. •nt" j_t do_~, not J't'quir• ih!'t ere. ut.dt..- ee1"t!"-1n .~lt.icmi:, to. - · : ·: 

l-P ,,. ~urn:• E:JttFT:f el. !eccnc, • · !':lcnw dirchal1:f'· rcoc;viree ~ftbe .. ·•11t •••• -· Cer.'Qot ena•r ··4!'-

, ~. r.Qo no V"G"1l:le ·~·csncat!on eoulf tr mt't,('n, o..".lly as •• •f'trrthvut";ht.' or what ~ ~ 

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l-!7~: 1er,.n1.,, to pa~gnph ~. Spt"O~tte1t.10 1. "!twt atOUt wt; 

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~~~· lt ~· .t.n •tatre that J:"!tl!!ftp;" l ot· the chc7itlf .11 rA:at pirtiovl:l"l.J pt<r·· · :.-: -~-l'r.t to· tilt" ate •• it. !a not.·,. cpee2t1Cl'tton. in tbzt f..."f. •Fa 1t.eclr -i• • .lfewlop- · ,::._.,!.,.,1 attrr 11nd aurt her. eertain ele:~ni. or pn>bbilJ\71 It •et=:: t.11:\ pangi'aph_l- . 

t• •tte..,pt.l!bl~. Tll,11 pt.l'UC\:ll'1'· ~!.nt 701' 'hrln~ up ba1n't .to~ :::t?C'h ~ring CG tho ap11te!f~ 

~'° c:m·1119~ snr: l thinir it. °f!Ci'U1il ht bett.r \o J:OY• mt to the •F-Ciffc drf'io1ne1•• out- - ·: ii~ 11\ tho 1-etter. ao tbt._t "7ou Q'h rtf\i\e. ~·t'.. ' _· ' ' . -J • ·: • ••• -:-."' 

fiis1CJU1 I o1'j~ tc t,hgt.· .(The •tatei:ent·l"~(J.·.ti-~~·-~~~rar"·,..) ·-:men1~ i-A"Vf~;_:-::~ been ;1ven a .Pll:U t.o tulle a l:μUting. ·tM,s !•,a taa~c dbclon.TP to ln::lld the epeci-. , ·.: 

fl.c&ticm on. ln t.hi• l!pec the "Ording ia not cw.plete dth U!e _t..a1c c1ecloeur<" flot - in b;epillG litl\ t.b!IE. the lfaclo9Urtl' ot \hit "-t• is t-he ~te Of th:le·, 81 thie dia- '. 

clO'ff-1. (Bf'fi-1"• to not.1 in th• f"olet-r containi ~ •Pf'C · ore ft. l The ••~on4 ~iaoloaure · ; ~ne atout •:f'ter thia. T!l:J.a U.ecloeu:re ia llc1dng. · · ._ -- ~·-::=§ 

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~i§fif.1 I• 1.he oth~r coac!itSOll, thet t~e ai:ec:lt1ce'tion J'O'U •rott- i.t an aarl.7 date in - ---· 

-•ccoraar.c~ r.lth -.hat_)'"OU ft'rr rec;ue1tf'C3 to •rite, "or, sec01ldly. 1• it •1! art4l'l'thoug)Jt~ : I • "": "' 

SJ.AID& 'fhil' ol'iC!ml d1ecloaure to 11-·Mah >=r .. ne\oher refera •• •n oral d.i1C\n•a:ion. 

n'\b J.'f. netcher wbicb toO'k atout an hour'•"t1r.e •fter which th099 roustt notfS HM --· --

t=rittc'n up tor bf11 to nlte.'. up..... - . ·. ~ . . _, - · ~ ., -.. .- . . .... _.·_.-~ 

Q!'£9BI!i l oti•ct. to tlw etatecent ot ~r. Rowl..t.nd of 'tt beina. an hour~ it •• ~ 'tit;~ l ?th ot ~ptet=~:r Pen ::2". 'Deeter taia, "Jlr~ nf'tche1', lb·• P.oy:lancJ enl :Xr .. Stauffer - . . hlll"'8 a apec.,• '!•· .:cnt te· ?lr. Ra11l1ncl'• office. l sei~ • •ur. lcnrlend. • attfr bcinc 1..ntroch.ic~, • 11Jr. Rovla-~. what· type ·of a btFf' are you go1n&t tc- ure in thie .• •"" ·ue ..:-~~ t(lic, "J>'J'I'•& or butt.on meta .... Sfiecnd, 'fliv.t tJPl" or le~e are ;rou using •1Jd he ... id, ·· ·'--

•n1•tne ot lead§. 11 JIC>tt, to gttt t!;11 cm record, I Etlc't'd another queet.ion, 'l:t:cther or· , not. tt'.1• sptc -· to l:t' errected by. a:n.y (!xf.('rn£1 n&!ietion .. - !h1tt -· Cm the 22nc'.. •.nd , on the 1£th, the ny•t)'pe lc1~s er.ad 1'1AI'• Tfll"e <!!acuaaed. ·v.·e 'ftTe tJieni al:°'2t 15 min• 

utes, 11n,t t.hfft riLJbt, :&. ftftufft-r"l _ . - . . - · · 

§JAPR£B: 1 left ycu wjt~ t.ir. Roclan~, anc t.'1ercfon ·coulc ·not .;,•r1f1 the tir:e spnnt 

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1ZJ6'l'CIJlft.i "lll 1 ri;rht,• I saie, •gi"Y~ t;e th12 dope in t.Tit:fnt; 'tit.at l unt, 1.·r. Rowlend. - Th~re •re cert.in t:"PPI oi· tubes. r.e will '"iut. a alauee- in tbie~ Afterthoughts are a , ( 'r ) r.'OSt operate." r also roppU.~1 informr:Uon as ~ thr eitfe.reo.t. type of 1.ubes - ~ 11'ft:r ~n the P('ntagon- Builc!irig·. 1he epec •• wppoRel7 ,.,.it.ten for t"WO typea here; - theHfOl"e 1 tht' 1t£teir.ent fll ittelf"tl'ant. (J.:r. netchr.r talked eo feet be1'& thet the . r.butrr erfl' ?!ecrearHy frogirr-ntory. i·r. t•eY'son r~ufi1=tee hir.: to tal>! rore &l9\'il7 •. ). -~ • I ~ . • • ,"' ... '" ~ .- • -•• ?r_: .::::~ • ~ 

IS(/-;\~: -=-~. nat.otier'• EUtM""tnt.a. arl' fC?llor1~1, the f1oct1. _ l'O'A"Vc:r, onr._ or i.po Jtlnor 

-..oint1: t...ne er thr H thft •tn~ e~t~rnt.~ rr.(b.t,Qrr: Y.tt: lroc1::ht up ty '11t: •f-t1Mlr~1. ' 

A coupl~ of 1:.·ayE art~ri.~rc!I!! 1 talc'. b.1li. ff ec"ClC: net !=ount. o!? t.~-r t'Y.t.~~.al rac,et:fatt '{o~ opeM t.e th'! tubfi. Furt1'C"r, . thctrf' e-ritire ~ui re1u:.nt r on 'F.xhU·U l J.(!J:"e tl!l Jrc-c! ov.rr w~h .. 

Mr. netchel" at Y.'hicl'! tii:se he too'- co ious tlQ . oil .wbfat I to~c 1\!r..~ ••• Untrrnptc:a ·' . 'Ii 

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MO:=MEit=-i Thrn 1• .no "pof12t ot rq ata-ncing .:-p ntll'it -mm he ntuteP. ry eores ane con-- - :~ 

tir.•111' :tnt~rrupte. -. ·· · · · · . _ ·. · · . ~ · _. ~ . . .. • •. -=. 

-- •.u..1Grli:.a1 Lei.'• not ZP.t •P'!cifio ai:-Od\. tbis. It 11 1•.atm.11 to • '&hit S• n1c!. · _ "tw anl.7 t.bin« wa c'iucuaffd i.ai t>.tar Rt.. (Ret.i·• tc ipec n-:ted-) lftt.>r 1eev1nc 7our· - · .·-

aii'ic: .. ,. l l'Q\ to :tr. Stewfrf'r t=nt n Ulktt! thi1 oY1"1"~ On v:t-·llO't acce'et0n l wnt. -=-:2" 

:.... ~-~ a;;;d ~A-:-~ wn an..,.,.Joi0t1£ht.• .. 1''11t aft~r ·ti'.!• (e(es....,-· rthrn to •pee ·e:reR);.- · ,. fl":!- of tk1f 11t\i'r..b<il:1eht.• r.Jf inc:o • .,ioraW ln f.t)e ~ci-e oc:swwolet",!on in reeare to : ~ tleettoiea. Rnf?n .:l1 lt "' lf'Corpcmrtt't" l" this'•• ~ai:ri l ••Rd· ,w in the· · .. ,..,~ 11t i.hil'd r.ceUng •• to wt.1t."f"t' 7cu •tlt•d tu • .,. tht1 tn~n 1i !l net inn at· . .._ ibtur• tflMt"' lo, :rGl1 c.t!c not. .ant-~ v•~ tt •t1 • teGt.fF1491" at. that ~1'1.Javl.-r ttn. 

-t W..1ld t'!" wt....,., et. ICE'".8 fv't'lrl" til!'e .. · That •• heoxpont.cd ht '\tr.'•· :tow, • dll ~r,:::c-: ••fadJJS al~ouctt St. he•' 1'0\. 1-_~n ........ Aid~ Arc 11nl ~-- ·c:1~c~i:rp _ ~ •re_ · ·- lak1=r thfl-..n..rthousbt •tu? !ekp Uu: '1>f:C. That. wtll ~·&'flt Git t. .;it.ct¢;; a;_Jf'cSficetion 

.;..., 1.)t ... artf.rttavzht. _TS.S J'e.?""Mnt• t~e 11ftrrt"°'4~"t iu tt,e t•dc (l;>ttaf net1.\Son}. ··- ~ 

J,t;,..1;..Ili OM point 't:t! 1dght clear up. '··:Sr .. _net.cher hBI d~•crlbcd t.bt exchange or .1ft!on•Uo~ bet'ft'~n t.he_ rii1n~~ and h1r.self, •• 11pedr1cet3on w1t•r 1 •• baa e11pha .. · d~~ lhi point. "tbrt he we ~iven ~ sheet. or p1per on 'rilich there qa O'OU:lned cert.a1n 

•pecit!c po!ttta; Should t.ht- eng!DCt"I' g:lve ti111 on t.hS i piece· ct Jlllper nr:r,rt.hing which·· 

!• to t.e Tritten Sn tbe apiacjt:lcaUcm or ie it. to be conldc!erP-d tt:• t. ihe q~neel" gi,;eS" 

•:rely en 01:"-!ine to tf' f'ollo-sed t;y the spccit:leetion 1'r1tf!r •nd the 1prcjt:letition · -· ..,.-ritc:r llhou1t' o't.-tP:ln such otbrr mte-r:tal •• he- ~ .... ~ pl"Cplf'e en acceptable _apecft:l-' . «.fiion1 . . • , , I . • , · •• • ~. ~:-.;,-. 

llmft1 ":e M.ve 11•7• op:mte6 •• tollOY"G 1 Tbe"' •~ 1nc11:C!ed °"' the Nret notes 

•rrt pGrihient t'a~ web •• r!aure• on voluge, t4"1r.J*,..ture, 11Kf •"7 othe'!" neceaaa17 

end ·~cU'ie-r.lfttera. I:n ac!ditiou, th• t:ore genetal aspect,a. '" 0!11cua.1cd end anything 

the 1pee writer does not ~er•ttnc! on the epec 1• t:S1cua11ed •t.. length. Th• •Pec'ifi• .- . et.ion ..Ster telces hi• 01m now~. TI:e &JWcific,.tion sri~.,.r .. ·u '• hh reapoos1b1i1ty · - \.0 uk~ clttt:r .mat !le. '."!nt• ·rroao ~· ens1n"er 1n orc!•r to "1'ft~ • ;n-oper apec,. . · · _, __ ... -:• -

. ~-

. EJcl.tti le the pnpf!r' to be euppler:entedT · . -•._-=-~-.- -

W·ni• It ie preaur::sd t.hc f!l"&t di•cuamio1r ia n~'- ~· only ciacuelion • that. thinas 

1'111 OOf'".ft up •• we go alcm£. · · . · · ' ·' - · . -- ·<:....: - .. .. "".:. . .::. 

BQ&itlt lb-. netcber B&YI' the•• • .,.. thoughts 1rh~cb ere not. 'tl'O\llht ou~. ~ th• o~tline. _. ·; 

t:ut. thfn;e that d•veloped later.. · · _ · ·- . : . ~-: 

-. . - -- ---·---- HmJR.• ny;toher is reffl'rrjng to .n. .. rtboughta; i.e.--, ~?'k be did in ccnnecti~n w!th 

t.hf' epeoitice't-i!lfl ef'tPJ." the dntt ~nvolved here_ he~ ,beaniturne&S :In.. · _ . : ,. . -~ 

~Q!Ut Rjght. TboP.e ett,.rthooghts are 1nporporetl-d tnto enot.her prel'-mina.17 speci~­ iCA'tion. Thie prel1m1necy iae "tuUding on the- info~tion here.. the second ;>relir.• 

inar,y ia t.be tss., Standard Spec to M used. JA~ Spec. It hJ all tubes yov are to bey 

ior the X•v • n6 A '1'11\Y'. · · · -• :--::_ -~~ -.· 

....... . ·. -- ,:,.._'l 

. _---~ 

flit({Jlf.J\t On page 1 of 11a., l:, o,• o..'l l ~ey 19l.6, Joint Amr-Navy Spec:tr1cat1on, "l,a,\t 

fol' •l~ettor. t~be~. T$S inci_icatr·E .ttie fort: I Ar. tekfng froso;; thP tom rube 6Pf:C 8h,C!'to 

!hat. 'r5l 11 th, final mrd 1n ni;;r.rd t-o the 't:e1dc spec rs st.l\tE'd ~n t"i:ls sheet. · ......... 

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· .... ·-== ... ~-- . &!!iLUl' · You answered my question. -:~,,!~ 

~DQ11 Lftt'" eo along on 52,. .-.... :~ ·. ~ 

. --· -~-- ;g; 

Ul'!'Q11ERi It ie to be und~ratocd that dtie._to t'tie tact that Part l of that co~nicatio~ · ... : 

is in ·error 8s not dil!lcloaed on ttsJa sheet, therefore, all other 1nton,r._t1on will be 

..,T!'elevant. . "- · · -.-.;. _ _.~-... -· -~ 

· ~"1!111 I think :rvu hive ·exptainad #2.• - . .....,._ .. • ·- ..:..:!t"':M . ~ 

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.~1 Jto. 2 ~itted nch l"lfl&V.1&t. 1nfon.nt1on .. •. -:- i -

.., ":!! 

.... -. -----·-·--:e. - LAfl!'1!: (1'N41ng) •Section r., 2a., ahonld definitely_ cQDta_:ln ... ~ 

mmB!!t Save dieoloaetl this ~n JAJI Spec 1rb .. re diat1nctl)' ett:tee •tub&. 0 

~~11.§gr.a ~· ~ oovP.red iu ·~o1fioa.tionT · 

~-- ··_ --~ :~ 

... -,; 

._ .... _: ·;.;;o,,.:g: 

lli'Dlb It :la not covered i_n specification und .. r review. 

. -

lUrl,CHIJ1z ·I 0.1 to differ •. f!anuracturers are partners 1.n·Jll apec. The requirements 

in 'tb:la a~c a~ in accordance with their o..:n rules and regulet:lona laid down by them :ln .. 1.-1· 1n bal1• speci:flaat,_on.. The s:peof.tiaation to be ueed b3· AD"ericen and England n11nu- ·_ 

f'aoturera. !'ho11e spec!fimttions are part or the (JAN) apecH'icetion. · _ · .. _: 

mBW11 Doe8 t.het de~initely me~tion the.·~ld cathode" requirement! ·. -.. :--.. 

fl«QDBt The three speo~~icatio~s mentioned ;in a,_ b, c, d, e, t, and g apecit1cat1ona 

ore to be ree.d in light of thie baa:la apeciticetion. 

fifl:'IS~t That wauld cover a, b~ o! 

JUTQUJR1. All. ..._ ~: - .. ____ '=' 

£EE!ERs 'Ibe interpretetiori the Ageney tiita on that JAN speo is that it is- tundamentalli - a 1!pecit1cat1on for procur-;ment of tubea by Al'll'l1' and lavy eo that arr;y type ot tube w:J:l,l _ · -_ 

be un1versalJ pla1tic1 which will ful_till reQuirem~nts, etc. will all be atandard1aed. 

In the dewalopsent or a new tubla 7ou try to tollow apec1:l'1cet:lons th8J' set forth so as 

to awin(f .into line. ":!:!th· -respect to the tube, in that epec:ltication, .we would not 'blJ1". 

&J:ll" grea'ti number, eapec:lally :In a prel1min!l?'7 development. Our tundaD'.ental concern is 

to get a tube .tiich _will d.Q pa~ we _Qtnt ,na we.don't ca~ it glass will stand •· ce~ 

t.ain shook, etc. We wnt a tube that w111· opere.te the •7 -.,,e •nt it to and w cazinot 

be 1:1.mitt-d bJ' preconceived stenqards in developmental work, so we do not follow that 

specification veey ~loseI:r.! Mr. Fletcher bas been infomed of that tact.a number ot 

times. . . _ 

DAWSOB:S 'lfould a manufacturer ·engaged :ln developing this tube have access to JAR apeci.; -_- -·-· ·· t1oetiona? ~ould a, b, and c be :lnoludedT · · · · - · · -: -~ 

lliiCBEB= Ir. Dawson, I object- to the statm.ent or Ir. Deeter. The Under Seoretari 

of' War and Secretary or '?Zar has chart.Pred the organi1ation and baa given spec1t.ic in• 

atruetions to all branches ot the Govel'DJ!!ent to follow thet chart~r. ·mr. Eisenhower 

. hfis alao expl.ioi~ly stated what the7 ~re t!' ,fc;J.low. 'i'h~ _epec is also so broad that _ -·-~ 

it take,_s into conaicieretio~ any-type· of tube. Provie:fon in the spec takes core of that. 

' The tubes before are put .into operation that 1011 he'Ve to use in ex,Perimenting work. A11 · - . - . . ··-

~ 
• ·.·-- · · ~ :·te»t!r.ne t;or tctc-,1 in SJMJA~ Corpt ht!v~ teen canc::-11~ •nd tP. h1corpc.1'9'tt"d in - ! 

. !'FC• . , . I , • ,. . . !~i !~~-' f.,Sd JCAT il'ftt•rF·tanci wtt~r. ,cu .r•c• wp l'br. epec1r1c-tso-:t t..tv.i St ?-..!.~ experi•ntal ! ::: .. 1 tti. ~tf'rlll J'~ .,..re S~1~fn& in,1.1:J!1. apecf~Jept.!e:~ 1nc1~e SttF'i-• ~J"P llet~ 1:1 - • ti, ant • ot the- 'l•f.t.er'i :. · - -· ., : , . , · -"'.- -.'. · :·.,........-'.-'. I •' ' • :I ---

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•:-;;Pih ____ .,.. -- lh? lt-Ji:lr.tJi;~• ll"tat~ YD"'J cc31'7t Snclv4• •~t. !1 .U\~ Jn at.c,Zitt •;;cci.ti .... ·~: " .... ~ .. . ....... 

="""~ ... ~ ~· Tt..t .tilt~ rf' ct'•~· lr".!tc=t•• *Mt. art.a:ln tt~ Ttt"lt r~eitlca1t:r ex-

-:--. ~ ~:-4! tt."-' ahQlJlcl ·tw.Y• t.~~ 1ne1~~. l:hc qct.tlGft 1a w}i~t.hel- V•n 111-~ll be • 

- - . . --~ 

:;=---~Yffee11J "11t.t~ tn u-.. •r.~f!ct!U~.. · · - . -: 

...... .. -.--=;:: ..... .. . . ! • .. • I "•" r' 

=:? ~; 1u fl!e !!ltiV1'tet.unir, J.11 ~~~?IC-. llp!=Jifico\lon n•\ ktMn ~ttft!~lf -tmt 1• 

. :-~ .. •• d'Nttld M'ft thole 1c.pcrrbnt. lt~~I! !a f"'11\ or· h~"· ~lrro-ncc r!t1 •l•o -

-=-· .,pre:t1ca111.to ·• cw~'~ 11CUrce lt.i' .-er •'!".d ~:r. S.r:tf'ac\vttrt co 'l'!O~ ~rrt. to 

,...;.. Leo l!ll>ch "'~·:r.r1nr :t.o nUl!l't:ttr• ~t.och •• J"hen 'l'bt-7 "Mv• to .loot •t anc ploi'C of' OD• bop'k 

-· anoth•r P'P ot anot?-l'r baolr. A properl.7 written •pcdtlcetion contain• ·fllVrJ'ic1ent 

rt"CUrate 1dornaUcn to reqv1N only • Pin!na:. •C"ovht or retcrencc to out•:lde mtff'!al. · · 

.·.: 

.. 

~'th •h,plJfite t..."'c ;fol. tor 1.!Mt d.nut.cturfll"~ · · · .· ~ ···-. -. 

C(l;Tq1tt.a1 ;I o'tJcc:t to Mr • .t.aat~r' s- .Utt'l:~nt, AR 850-~5.. )lot. tn.'I'... Support:h.:& n1• ~<e thet t~ ~lW Apcc:U~108t.fcin ·1,_ directly in coutl.ict 111-Lh 1'-brl t;r. IAtetPr has to 

• .,. ih• JAX ·~ Sa COnl'lt:ltuted ot the" 11Ql'C1•ittt ·= lipoCSticetlcm• ot the ranuflactunr 

'&'lini b.1•!~1.t :1• going to C1'88te thi • cn_1ce J tbi-retore ~ in m)(.luf! t!':S :s •~c:lf':leotion >ie 

C""..:,h't. to know the tPnc1t uaf'f! tta'1'Pln. S•ccnd, ot t.h1a perticu1or spaclficetion, the 

; 

~t.cl"fll f:Cmot.ruc\~n anc! deecrlption ·or a (peeoua) · •l•c"t.'.l'O?' tu~e le. !n keiep:l-ng trith the 

:.ntol'"t1on qt t.1'1- Snforr;.ntHm bln.e.t!n •• iUppl1ed b-; the P•nvhctu.r "in 1937. The pel"- · 

1.leula.- tub itt G\l•Etion and th!a perUcvler Snforii;at!on bulletin. •• preaent.ed to Mi-. - lc-f1•114! •1:4 l don't lrna11 about Kr. X.~-.r, ln th• oper.lnr panr.nph 1t i• Mit that apec:l• d~t !c>na of ~- •tube ebal1 t~ .. ~ee1~ i:n accordance t:itJ1 Jo1nt-Aft7..f«•l" .Speeit1cat1on (>f' -t.,;t111 "" Th11t nqt:irt'e· {Rr11cU11g) 1 • (1) Bavy Lepertu-ent Genflnl Spec:ltiea'-ft>n to-r- In-

•Jil!ction er •terial1 (') A-lb, 111atitut.P of' Rel!:lo ing:lneere Stall(JP.rc.'8 on Zl•cf.t:Cn1c•; .. . U) Jfec:Uo •nur.cturcr• Aaeociation .Ing-Sneering Stan<!atciaJ (.4) ld, lft'lric:en In1t1tute ~- -

l•in.eerblg Stari~EJ (5} le,-the liet:loml Eleatrlc ~nutact'dl"inl St.anesrd•J (6) l!, _ -= 

tlein'\ i~-lft.Y)" JIP•?S • lacbgt> and Container U.rk5ng for- Electric TubeJ (7J a,1, In1;pec• ~ion Uenuel• ror var• in conjlinct.1on .witb th1~.· A.r.d turf.her, that Mr. Leetcr aid tbe.1. 

~ •pec1tie1tio~ ·d!d not teke aa·re or the part.icul.1r t;tR in qW'athm. I have not a ~ or the epcc1t1aat1on before me. In case of l'DJ' conflict. of any requ:lreJi!ant.it or gen• · . • 111 requlre•nt.e and the TA'•• the TA'• will IC)Yern and the- '1'~ 'a 11 second e~c we tui-nisb; . . . . .It .. SID~Q'i.1 to t108t er the rr6nufaoturez-e lcnOT: or the lrmy Reitulation? · -rbe110 are laid 

ton ~ the l.rq s;mbera! Hot fib)ut. t.l:e r:snutactuNre? · _ . ~ . 

~; In th• procctture ~f .•pocif!cetion wo~Jr up to th1a pa:rticuler·· tiM, the !ar kpt~nt vould mte our epece.. Tentwtive tom tor tbo anufecturora would come beck 

rit.h cements end tmm we woul"\f forArd :to puro11e.•1nt COll'l!!t.tee ot tho !'ar Departl:ent • 

.After purcbaeing comittee would work a!\. the apcca, .,:e 1">Uld toru.rd thPm to the I.. R." (Rot~u lhould be A. a.) ,..,th the ae~nnce of the.Unc!el"' Seorataey or '"."ar that n wauld 

-cio ••7 with tho" blockage; ....- did •t. col!acn.t of all brenchea of aen1ce. The t:neer · Sec.retar,y or "':ar would aee thet we bed cr:1t.1cal D'atn!el on hand. '4hcn we wont into 'lfa:i:-

tbat bl.ockege eme a~out to a rre~tPr degree, and· it •• put. on ,.., particular ahoul~era_ 

:..~ atraight•n thh out. 'ffe ~:let! ·t.hS.a with help or sne:ral i•norale. Decauao ot 

\bf tub& :1%M!u1t171 there•• no tubfr.·we could cJeptind upon •C! • torad Joint-AJ'IU" .. Jt•vr 

·Speclt!catJon !oart].,, ':Te too~ jnto it •rmftcturero. AR 8~C·2' (rererrec to book ..... } 

··. lm(9)!MIF~l9JIE~l~All ......... 

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1lmOO~~l0JEfi~AL • 

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--..:. ra..-; '&:1 lo ••tllatuf..--r; jlrn co;i"J5 er_ :~flcsl tc-f'.~: 

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....=..,_ ~i:~-: ;..! ~ t°k1' an • ;!1!'1"!'7 ~o ~;-e '-•le ~st.1!at!~ c~ \!;-~~ ~/t-t?.HGl!ltt. leu _ -.,. :.: &llW" (111t•ntt,ll'i'OI ~U U.. .Ct="j~ir:!~l' !".!! l;te:; ~WU !l ~fti"'lte frer: 

.. .. -·-

-:~ . !thon~ Q •!ro.f!'Clt.'l"(t -~~ J'1J°b-~ ent a ei-.Uf'J.o1•. ~ ~~ \'f:f'!!P tu""a ~- --·~ bt t11 •ni1on. ·1~ ftb ~ lift.,·~ ·8'~ ln -·•hJ~-b:t. tnd ~11t • DI tu~ 

r=.· 1~:l" ~""f'· •• lr.o ,. •l1c:Ttd "Uv~ pi"!'Ytl~. - . . • • I . ,- • . I • ··-~-·~ 

-.· ~-111 ·~" ·'-~ ~~.:srUi u~ •JPl7 '° ftt.'"rit•?t£· ~ic:h ·s. •• •*' c:t crmt~ ,- ::. I • • o I : ;y~=~ 

-t""' ~· Jc-•... (R-t•r~ •pin t,,; •a) Spect. i. d;~•!rca tf'11t. i• to. 1:.c con6ucw· cm .ar(ilea ~ &17-"'t 'Gafr-J'D"'..ent ~ll allo•.. · · - . -. · _ _, -- .. --~ ~~ 

' ·. ·. .. ,, ..._ :: . . : ..... I '•. _· .'-~-:~.:-~ 

~.!'J~1 it.rt c!O.. not an~ 1" qu1'rtiG".,. ~I an C'ng$~oJ" t~.;ht u;>i nii'!f"(Y.?I' ~or .. '""'tf', -.ould he MVf" to be! fn,Une "1th ·tbo•r thillil•' .· · · : --· · ~:{"' ' ' .... ' - ... . . ~. 

w.;ig&R.I w. •• to h!ve F,m•~i~- ~ tht- J'oi~t Arq._~-Y7-»~~ to. pat, 1t 1n u

0

1i ---::· : ::-~ ;.z.o WZfl in llJW Ht.. , · _ - . . - · · - . · · · -'.· - ':- · ._: 

• I .,. ' " • - •" " : • '. • • • • ' ,._-:--:;-•• °':.~.1:.:i:i=-~ 

~s "ht he .(llr. 'Po.lettJ nJJtr to know ia1 ~ • •"' typ ot tut:e •wld tld.a lri\J · -- · $;;-~Jt1cA"\S.on {ho bS,nd~114t) · ~oult any mnuhct1>~:zt. "Lnn tbl-t St. wool~ hnv~ to 'be :t.ncor• -~ 

~ f.\:41 . -.. ·--·~ .. · -.. ·_ - . : .,. _ ..' ~ \ ; ~---=--~-~;~: 

!E•~tt1 1oul~ "'*· ?le n-atriotfft! !n dnelopll!f'nt of e nn- t.ul'io, · ' ~- · · ·-- .._ - .. "I.!.:..: 

~· 'lo. =tlut oonvont.fUilBl _tu~ iti a-t2la'f.cnt, -~·111n6' piat..· !hie ·!a a cin~io~: r~: ~t projrc\.. ·· - - · · ·~ · · .. 

.. . , .._ . ...... --:- -

fiA'N'· tet '• ~an nt>i i-tt 2~ ''< .. . ···=---- --_ . llllQl.B• Th•n 1• ·~thi~ .l;:ore u.n wt 1• ll~nt. o • '"" 0 I . __ .., - - .. 

i?S9!• Go on down_. . ;. 

-

Ud-!$(JJ£Ja l hev• explain~ the nn.t. t~ perae;n~e. oiow diacha~Bt'• These t~ .t;.~;: ~. 7 

ttnta rted a1 follows; .30. •nient •hell 1:-e no photo·M1et1"1• OT photo•conduct1Ye -· :-

1'3tPr1al nqt.dring •n external 11.«ht P.nera for proc!uc1ng the start!nr Gtm' d1sal)9r'-'9', -~ . tr auch s:ietflrial bf. used it •hell l:e nde to tunatiou. ~ tbe tube'• inherent and co• : 0 

. nla>ted •••~iat-ed •m'her1a lP'llttt:!ala." .. --ana-• ... "'lh~ OLQ'.\" d!acherf?• t"Ube · .n11i be dea.!i{r~'ld .. 

to prcw1d• • 1 tl"imer1 eat.ion. tlf"reo_ Ehell be no e~ernel ener-a notation nece1ear.r to 

pl'Oduoe \ltl• 11tr1.:ger" acUon." 1'a1rt' tbe hic>paragl"aphe in·quertion. The~ "photo-.:_-

ooneuotive.11 ltxt ro hnv• •no t'xternAl e?MTiCY red!etion• "'1ic.h 1.akt"r in 'the whGlo apea-., 

t'hea~ ttce <:~cea a-re ~uri tt.~ visible pert of the ~peel · · ·._. · -~ ·-

~wsats ln 10111' op1n!on .11 that just cr1t1c1~~ 
, 

• I' •• 

REF ID:A66648 -

-OOOflllBJOlllAL • 

,;!..:- ;\~~:;• l obj~ot to· th• ·~&Jc!~ble fl!:phR11e .. • _. 1t:z roa..,-.1.1•1 it.in~ ~n thi• per• · .. _ 

t.~!1.JP ti'!" ta the •1•• 1'M 1:l&'J n1 t~ set. trportaut t..etor. •11 oih.,- opetaUng --- i"e~t.\",.,.i t•~ on •1•-1· •' . . , . . . · '_._ .... 1 . .l"'"!:Ali J • ._.. O"• .. 'E ~~.,.. - • 

. .- , 

··~~==~·-' ~n- 1a ~ = ~·~~ttd.\.lt.r ic ~~- ,.,!·:i·r¥~u~ •• • ~ct1ner. ·bat -·- -=-=-- : ~-. !:t nt.l'ii"'l•~ th'!\ 1" WCP \o .,..," 'tlt!' t!!h• ftu1ct!IJift- tn 'H.:t'!it •trrettc.>ti.e" ' So ~et.rla•· ~ 

-:=:--· !"" \fl.tii. ~11 iaC:rt.n~wW") ~cute. 1- 'tied t~ pl&ct ~ Jn t.t.c -;;rcci;!ee po.it.Ion. ~. 

: : -- ••:?"!_...,. .. .,~ to ,i. t..'1c t.H\ .f.J"rc, ~rr. 'lltc rn•4't1 u-.r i::aecu.• asf.l::c1~•n "'.''""- ~ r he ~ :~· 

pi• 11;0-n ••flip-:;;~ .. 11.wet 1IO ·~-·-_.••tat Sn two~" (S.f~rM tol\oad . ;.,; t.t~ii;r ~cta.::1•1 tar.;: r:~,.cu"i tM !tltU• GlfP D:tseM1'~.) .'..- . .:-~ .. • ! . o I : • 0 o I "' • • • ~ 

~~~'·1!• 'ft.e' td-.!!O.~!' l1t- \Jae O!:-'" !'Cit ... ta that,;, -rlle •&'fr.'J07 1• aOt em&Mtntte ~ the' :,;;;.~;. l• CCYni't n;etf'( but 'f.'l\t. bt• _,.7 t.S~ tvle .t .. l-•f • *' ?I 'ff1tl1! tf8~0v.'rll' fJ'l"l1~:1t 

- \.0 ~... d!al';:-1 ,.. . . - . ; . ~ I ." I .I',.' •I• ·,.. 

~~I\•~ are 'dO\ tl71riiZ ~ got ih11r! a~hi!SI on_ tht ecma'truet1~ t.hst h" not tt1e~ant ··:= .,,. t \ -- . , - --· . --: = ft. • ' I ~ .. '" • .. • ··r ,.-:·:·:_.~ 

c>&Ds. 1he a'\atesen\ :le ~t.. conettrnetf with ·bo1r it ·1• conetru~t!cs but h~w it opentee~- ·-· . . - . ---,,. .. ·.::·-...;;.. 

~!l• "'=• tOld ,.ht?F.: tbf! co'Dltructton dept~e on Joint AJ!1W\f•ltev ::;.9cit'ioations., · .. -, ' ' ' ' 0' o • • I o " "o ' ' '• I I .... .- .;~ 

l.iA~D1 (!o olert.f'y-tbe Oor:C"~nte mde bt Ir• n_eteher, ·J.tr. StarU:n readt.) ."The:-·-_-·· -_.i•-·: 

t.ut~ aball be t!eeiped. to prodde the inherent 1nt~rna1. ••eential eln:enta with a p6... · · i«lt tt.1101phPre ~ ·~n1nc· nw:: dlechattre.• !'hAt; ie found on i-re 21 paragraph 4 o · 

ot tb• lett-er of char.1es, l• tbtt the •tRt~•nt. tv which ;rou retort It.·~• felt tbst 

thte alewnt ~eal• ~th con•\J"UeUon.. ·· 

fil.tCHf.~' ~. that to .function o? tube. You hive •thod1 tine meant-. The G~~~nt 1-• to pt the (r.,thoc!a?) for tube and wo havtt to get ~na. Alt'bouc:h tb07 45ee1p the '\~'l. ror u& pn:nidin,a there if 1 ne ... bthOC:,. !t 1• \he- aethod or ZNNtna of d~inc it. (Brea~. lleteher proceec'Ji t.o next. !te11 in lrtt•r er cbarpa) .. ·Thia· •1ncobereney~ 

-- at I 'C'QU]9 like to 1mow i• _the "8Ct teantng or t!01'I! •j ncoherency" • . .. 

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·-· ·-~~ 

i'tlll•llt Z:..ter, 11'CUld You 11kr to •7 a~th.:ln1 about paragraph 5. 0.r th& letter· of 

el.e'1'tPB whf@ citei f':xt1!p1eis Of :lncobtt:i-enoy'i - . · ' . · • -::; 

. . . -. . - . -- .. . .... ~ -; ~ ~ ~ ;:-

ZU!B 1 It •~FDlf thet ete'tt1llente are not v:ritten in BUcli 1 mumer as will present the · · _. 1C.ee clcarl-1', · · It. li.ee'na thot ioee.s • • Pl"esented in the 8pec1ficetion do not follow ·a 

logJ<:al-oJ'Oer., . I think the 1l".atter of logicel order end choice or appropria·te terms is -' r,. . the- woet i11::portant item th•re_. · _ , .. . . . - ' - -- . ill.lQNt . l o'Cj•ct to tbet, !ut tblt1; :ls a ,r.ntter of. opin1on. ~· .-Ill take ~a1c. oul.~,-,.: ··;~ 

1!ne of' t~:Se nttn"i•l in th:hr spec •• presented. 'l~t.t next paragnph lt•lb. 11 Criti~l 

Operating I ~turea• - il - ~eveloprent, •the sut•miniature tu°k" &bill be cea1gnec5 to 

MV• the follOlting c:riticel opttretinet reatl1rf'8." f2. Starting glow discharge 1e func- . t!on of mawrlala, coet.ing of cor.ciuctive re..teri~l. IP~'t that coherent descript~on"l 

• "'.~- ... ....·-I 

~l This ii • deaer!ption prefe'l'llhly uaro ,· 'l'bethrr ~t 11' preterabl,r "used br. thfs -.~·: Apnq {o:r no_t). 'Ih~a A~ney eboulc! rollo't' '""er tep·rt11!e~t polic7 end direct1.on or •.ar ---~- · t:epcr-tr.nt ift(! Cl'.!rf of Starr. I fcllo~d :ln aacon!enee _tr:lth that. · · . 

; • < -- . '"':. '• 

k~~~: ~oulc! that l:e to a wan qualified ea en ~:lncer'l 

- (6)IDJ~IF~IBl!E001F~~L - .... ~~ 
";" .. -. 

~ .!..~_ •. :.»• ;.sJ". _)_le1.cher baa !-n•U:r.ot'l:fl 't.~; to ft foUQ~-c-d 1n -thiEt •peoificetion. l don't. ~~ 

• 4 '"·ir tr-.,'- u tll -r;:q1drtt.. ~' d!ac-~t~1on lbeμlc! be picperl7 -nf'•-;-eJioee. !'.a• t.ht:t the._ ... ,,.- • ;...~, i"N=t.rri .. · , -~~- . .. - .. ·. .. .... : . .. _. - . - . . .. .. : __ ' =--~~-::~ . - • - ..... ':i • • • .. ,_ - - . --·---· --- • 

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=..:..>~~, .ie 1. ncalJ _t.b~ 1.n~,.c·-:rCJ): hrvol-..ett ia llloiJ~-!!l ffU.l! s.n ~.l~er!ng standpoint -- ,.._~ .. •t ...... 1'!!-:'T"'J1ir_"~ e--:f.z .. "Ar-~::- .... ~.._ .. ~.,_ .~...,;.,..;.,. ' · _ · · - - -- •· -J 

- ....... - '· . . . .. . .... 119'-...... -- l .. ,. .............. .. .. ... -" . .;.1 ,1111-¥-....,... , • . • ' 

r • • ., • •._ '"" • I .. ·" ... •o• ~ ·- a. ·-----~-- -=-~ --=: 

'r"-:11!. is·• -·~~-- ..r ............ 1-- .. 1.::. - 111111=-11~- .... ~ u ....... ...... ". 

".1.·---· - ··-=-= 

... . -- ,-.::-i ·..: :-l- ~r- l:lillh ...; r-t er ths recc rot. a tela~l<'..;.:1 .::;t"! ~~ a ..r.ort recc~- us bald.) · .. . .. - . . . _ ... -~ -- ... :·: - _fl'p ..... 

D.Dlut!I:.~-

~- ~ - ' . I "• """1"::i 

. ~·~~"\; ifltt? JdlKf pnr:h::tiin .t t=auld llt? t.o :fnj~ct. ~;;Jr-~ ·or •ltictrorr tuk ! •. 9on· .· .. - ~'-'"" with loitlt Arq--Wa~ BJK'cjftcat.tori+ '8 l ot a, ll, o, le. 19,6. Quot.1ng·-"l:a -----~ .. __ ~~-::tron ~be la 1 enic11. Co'ilitibJto~ of and containing e noz~-r or eleatrodee contain·• · - ~ng two 01" l'Ol'C' (~) thna tho 'AC'U'Dtl .o o~ '01 take pl&co.• ('CMble-to cbe~lc th1• ret- ... .-.;ncti f'•1r Id.nine wn:d .. ) At thia point. I -wcUlc! H1te eleo to ref81' ta t!eat!Mhouae · ·-· --= tl•ctr~c 'l'ublt Corp., t9, 19.3'11 Section 3. Unr!er tttm deeoti_ption ftlemtalea 3 electrodea. ·· ' .. ? be in con1truouon.. Aliso -in the ar.e 'bnll~Un the· ;crid tu.,. ia • grit! pe aont.:rolled- . · t:- ~be •• tbe•"'c1tiJllhou1e 11 • pPrtner to -JA.ll Spec ot o'tJect.. "_ · · · · · ' · ... --- _ -:; ... • . .. -.'"::LC 

-- --- - . 

-·.... . -: ::- . . .- -~ . -. . ... _ ........ _. __ 

t i+,i,\l.i!Q; low .... 1tert at 51>• .. AttPf!pta to 1bte Jmo.-n ac1~t.:lf'1c principles, ·1 .tlk~-·-_ ~ ·_~:~ ~~Cfoption to -tbieeo Lit0 at.e~nt~·- llthO'Ogh et "tl:ia point. I could inj•ct a lit~le - _ -_ ~idence :In t.hJ•: ••e. lto• we have already diicueHd the ·~tcger• •otion.. How to con• 

::7.ruct t\1be. W. &•t CJpPl"ltfll( ahencteriat:lce 9t t11e tube but no ~atruct1on. 

• I. 

. , -. ~,-R: '!':e pv. 01te-ra-tSng.raesne .. •nd nthoda but c!id--not-1i~s.t to detail~-- ju1t ··,-----· 

n~thod1 and rnn1. I ste'te in Et2, 11Tbe tubf. eball be of such cneral1 db1enaione ··1n. ~ ~--­

~ocoreance .S.th ,t.nde:rd practice tor su'b-m1ni&ture tube~.· Stendare practice in that, 

ia a etend'!rC 9"1Ct1ce but rsOt conetl"Uction 1tand~rd _p:rectice in accorcance wJt.h tbe JAii,- . ... ;>C'Cificat-10ISS.-. . . • . . . ·: . _,. ':' .. . --..:...!"'"-... . 

~'llQ!t Ir you talte thP~ to a manu.tacturn- would tb07 •'i what i• • standard practiee- :-

and you two dao:lde it'r It a7s the tube WO\'Jld be :la accorience with etandare prectice. 

That oould r:;ean eQJtli:f.ng. - · -- .~-:...: · r - . .-.-.. .,,; _., . .. . . _.,..._..._.___ 

Jlii¥1Uilt Are 70u through, !lr. Dewson1 !e will quote what it •1'• in t-2. S:ize 11 this 

partimJll!r e1set "•ub-minieture" tu'te t:b!ch ehall be or apecial'dinens:lons. "lie did not - t..-11 them th~re.wbet size but what •tandard practice to be uaed one becauee they did not 

•:r to ·go Offr U•1ta. lt could b~ amlle,r but !lo larger than etandare tubes. _ 'l'bere _ i• no reat.riction there.. Now we a1'8 o-..er to -lenenl construc:ition n are ua1ng sau terms 

aa l am ue:lng. •cr.it!ca-l Operating Features• • ':e cio not aay- "c:r!tioa1 operat.ing 'pno- ,-. 

"tice•• but "critical o~:ztst!ng teetuNs., 11 "Jlot"F1thatanding" 1e an t1cho 1'0rd which reteri--

tO pr1cr paragraph. In that developnnt, th~ aub-atinhtture tube would be eeaigned .to 1?e 

the ooat derintle feature• Thet 18 G:l1e., That enawera it. b--!:•la :. "Geqeral Construction• ... •Tttett"cone::lstent" .. •not v.here applfcable. 11 Tht word •cone:la~ent" (page 3 of ~ letter iii ana•r). 'l'here it quite a difterence in the word •conai&tent" e!id •applicable ... !hq have entirelJ' d~ttrNnt. mean1nga. Tblt 1• 1n accordance ldth the spec:lticetion. . · -

G@IMIF~IBJfE001FMit 
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. 'R:lt"H" TD: A66648 9~'ft!>n~nn..,,.n ,. .. !a 

W1R11rat11e1RJ a D~lL • 

You ·" lg911 JJ.f! SJWC~1"~:-tj~! • • C. ._. ·.,I • :.•: ·~ 

;u."i~"Ks ·1 .. , ih~tt t~ pra~pha ~Fu. ~ l!One1~~-~ and ~ .. n: .eppl..i~able~" ~· -~ -~ ~ ~iml:t oSff.PN1i1. Rr.r.ff'C. •..re nm, tllfu~ CmtTOl ·~ Yolt...cit Qrrrcct~rbtlc1.~· ·: 

;v-r. t..1dt h;YI. n..'l chJ _1'!1~f~e!U~ •\11\e n~,-\ t\.c' t.vt.- \!•prntr 'eip ·th,.~@ eh8:ractCtria·· ·-· . 

Jii!!iir. tb" ~etc-t"! ~rel ·ot~_tt·J1\ YOlh~ Co.,c!.t' .cm \.-~ ple~r~ or tho&F •1.cwJnt: tne- -'? ~~ •~l ....... ~.. J...c-; t.o r~; t•n ~'1-.~ i: it .,., s.:~-~ ~t.P l\ tts 11Dt ~ Mti1 w~ tnblel.· __ ..,,,. ~;: 

· .:~ t7T'! r.fi ~~ •;.rlo(~~ •c\ton •ne l• •iX::t'l'?l"l ~ cl...P 4il~~'r;:;:-;. · ~t 1!!.• tbiq • · . ~T~-1 prtl~'tf"lJ' ~\ C?os url'i ~~: a~!cl; 'lvold ~~ 1~~ alo.-. _. --~~~ I ·~ r • 

a;:U;!f-T!• •· -~tt. 'ffm1. la ~""' cpjttfQL?t or :,.It .'1f!'tf"rl'.'• ~4\'t~MUon or ~· ~nt~ : ~ 

I c!U .-\ .e"1°ab~ H. • • • V I 

....... .=.;,-. 9it;• n. .. 1 414 "" fol 1-- i\ .. .. ... 1 .. 

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r.-•• H•C •• talrP'ft S.11 ftOfe• 1tnd 1!.r. ll~f1rJ" a,prjn 11'3t.ed azp'lenat.ion~) 

~~J}!!l1- nar ht .. i• • .r.mctioral dnice. en all wtitt or _ihta p-rt1auler olJa-11, the·· 

•~-. ccntrol •r:d '"'lt.a'P! o.hanctc-rlaUcE •1 be ~bt! •Tire! ~ t.he "811 ue.C S.n ~he --= ~,.... {la.trt'm' .·f.o l~J\.-) • . · · . . · · . . _ ·. ·-.. . .:: --·: .. 

.. l!!T'B• · &cienttfic r.cte 'llOQ1d control 1.ti.ti tul'e. 'nl•cl"' sc-Jent.ffic racta are not ot 

-!•por'fance in tide •pec!tic..t1cn te"'\:le ~hr. •nuhcturer •511 h8'ye to tfl'lr.., tho•<' into 

•t.'(!OUnt Sn bull"l"C the- t.ut..... -. t~ll- thi!-:- mt, thP 'f.'U\.e ii to do ant lt't t.ht:I! J:O'!f1 

• t-out. tbfa •• , ·~ 1tf'Ol't't17. .. . :: -~ •. .-- ~- .. 

ll-t-t911B• tr 1'G'l ~ .;o1ni to UH t!ti1 tubf. fD'l" • ndSt~er, •bmr.~ld :JlJU ccm\rol· _ . n.- »H- of the- tut•t . 1 .. " •• ;_-

··:.-=---- I I J"" .;" ......... 

UXlldU 'lh1t t• bt1ide tbt" poin~. .· 

,. 

~q;1gg: It !1 nm.. 

Qf.Tl,1l• How JOU 9!ITt" co1nlt 1.-o Ule it. ebl!'l' not. iwv'o ·~h1ne to t:io ~:fth tt.e' •itut't.ion . ."'··-:;., 

t\ twno. ~C5f&.'llt1tSc i.ct1 111rr ai.tf~pt.l'd to be preet'Y1tec7 thtore end th•y 'have no buaS.neal! ·- "' t.'h1; •pttci r1~t1~ at all.. \ - . , ... · :.:· ' .... ... -:: ' .. · .... ·-·--; 

~tg.'jAs I ot'~eot. to tbP. ttt\Wttce o~ =.:r. ~f't.er •• 1not:lt!'V8nt and not in 'bep:lna rlth ~":!' t~ o~t.~on of the oevJce ane laclr1ntt in Ji:nmledp o1" Ute tul• in opention. • I '" • • • •• ..-... 

1· ... ', .. -:_ ... ___ ,,.. 

tA'S!.CI: J •tit._.• •n i9!1pe:r3t,y - •Ie the Jrnowlcd«e •••ential :ln t.?al' •Pf'cjfictt-tion?"- ...... -=~- • . - . _. - 0 I " -· ,.._ 

il&'l'm;tft.: All t.ubta• eeai.e;n.-d for t~e ln:y l're .-.er.C.~17 on ev•ey Irt-pel"twrtsnt of Govcrment; 

thierttore, it 11 •teentul ·1-:i ..riting of b,.ic J:".eter1•1 for dS1clo1ul'e. ~ld keep Ul!e-s . ot tal'• not l"'Cri.ri.ct"45 to cme idea. ":hen :rou ere .,,int to !ptnd ronf'Y tor thft GoverJ1J1e11t .. 

_!t j e pert or the cont~ct. thet !f a: n'~tdrem~nt ie ·~_ctine 1t cen ti.. •iVed bl,tt not d.~: __ i .. ~ 1t "1 inol\.~ing nothiq -rertricted.. · . . · . _ · ::~;;:::~ .- - .,,. - : -

~'::S9f!t n·ia tu't:-t- coult have 111 Tin~ ~re i.hen one u:se ·~·~ 70u •cio apecificl'tion: ~ · ·--··: . - ::: . ·. :· -' . -·.- .... • .. ,, .... =··-~: .... _~ __ ,::f 

.rU4tCHtR1 l' aak•<' th• c!qine.-tt ene htt ~1c p-rha;>• .. thoulc p;t St !n. · , . · . . ·-=- . - . 
-· -

_! :-",=~'!.:---!• · (iir: ·tt•lcl"r-r turn1 't.G c!:S•c._eP:lo'I o! l'flcond ~~d_f.!ctt.!on in qc~•tionf. ·.In- ·~-~:,;, -~-:.,ri tc tJdr •iKC1ricisUcn •• Pf'Ti.1.Jne tc priQT' aprc1t1CllUC'!l 1 er .+1\:'11.a on ttcon! ... - · ~n •I·~ thet thP. tlpt'C B~.O'I:! to .::r t'#I 1n ·f'TTor. It tdll 1::• ~1tpoJiJl'lr' to- •rH-fl l!pP.C . . .' 

·r i-t•p1.-~ •U.t- t!K' ce~Jr..C epH.. ITE oct of U.M' r!IG d~•'th!et.t:- •i~b>en. f4't:tt-n .the . .-;:; -: ~Vlf o,r.r•Unlf :rrt- Hid the 1'; cfllrira 1f' .Pl'~tn!'P of 'cl~rt;~CO. ':hC'Tfl 'l'P.f I cle.ranC!I! ·. . ::~ 

- · - - tor· l"·' .(ct".rn••t) cln"'nce _ r-;~e. I pobtr~ out c!!•cNJJf1W7 a-;,t& »c~e a Jr(}('tl "to -.., .. -.~ is_,.,,.n.t~. TIM-~ 11tl1 at'ot' 'f herr i• en ~. It !IS .c Jincn:n .f•ct \t.1' t l' t'Ui),liet' ,two ":~ 

--":-.:-t ~ of S'Pf'~'fle; t 'er. U} ,aY"~ '.i"lif.!<i. ':"Ffr·rf! -u: dl"!'rltii; wtU· r.,t~!'l:-t' ,..,rornt!~ 7i: · · - · · 

"• ~!"~ ~a:•!:::c or~-... -,r te,-.~t~-~.-.t. w_r.ia"JP1Y •;d:-U'icatlor. I~. mWJn;!. Or. c!nwfn£, -... :~ 

---· -::·n r~lu ("'-lle'd Jnf~JT-~~cn. t?;; er.rt&:!~ t7P' Di :ett1: ~s- tn·.rtdJ•; >Ind. _ ?oti_ · · · · 

::!'~ t f~cd ~t 1a- t!!e r=tt:oc5 .i u1~t ~n onfl r!l"ll~flf:· .. l~ :11 _rd:l. •f'tt~t!.81 to pvt follow- . - .-.• 

n.- Hirer 19' ir~.cJficrUo?H •"'"' t~tcrr'' tre-1~ ... • J.l h <•~F:fil to tt'e tt.r t :It ia . ~ .--. nlnot:i. tt"l1rt.anU• •. J.f l NY •nwe tc~-::a" Ucttt 1,.-m ·r1;;J.l \in1vi::F t!':.t'T£ s, • : ~ ;J -~ .. ~.r-tcUoa = 1\. -:c- l'f'nt.Ser.« th• t'st"t ef the certain H~.t er 1en"1s·. Thrre 1• no' - ~- '~; 

-· .-vi,:m: C'Tl"Gr-. - ... ni a;e: to P'I' G or lf'tt('>r or 4 ~C"!:~:i~ t.r~,c1 l~ to Sc! ... tc=r~;)ijl_,.-

.... _.;, •• :r;o~lO":"Z. Jriac"h (o;-;e7} 9Ci::'.'J!l actuetto o\r:.al C(l.n\ac\ 1?-a.ll bS-vi Ol1'J "c"fl ot s. c.. ._-· · --:-"!ll '.htt!sl (Solor.rlt-••;. er 11 ecca~l .. " ~'rl'f:ifta '4ri' t.l!tt.!et\rT • "'11'1• datnent 1!:· . · ~-~ten 1;,t ~•c!e~ !ncoh~nnt. Kowh«!'re 11' t~ •.P"citJoUort .!.Y • ''aol"Jl'JI"~ act.bl!tr. d~ ··: ·-:: ., '!. .Ctmtect' OCECT'ih"c.• lt h COl:lilOft erect:See ta 'ITi°tf! th~. 'l'Oi'.d •eu:h" out. l!anufeo• .,, ·: 

:.1frrr- Wduld Mor. mi. :Ss ~rent t:;,· that (Reac;e) •t;orrill:t ~n op"ntSon" Signal Corps . -. _: 

ul:oretorJ•• ac-:.~9~7._ l attached l!re.dng on thrit i.n 9:C.?~ : {Sl'o_ l'lan One in epecification. , c.-aft).. ,.hfl'a, ii a 'l!Otc for .~.f Pre-nce to ... eeUaghO"Jec fJpta TetTSnRl. t~R.-IS5C·25 e1y1 70'1 . -. 

(:)lUlot 111:• iM.t· tfrb' unlit••¥°" v~t' t?'le wo~ "or equal•. On bott.oc ~~l Corps arawina, · ~27, ,.ou 'dll f~ nd now on 1'!,f of ... eat:lnghouae llectrSc. AR 85(.\..25 1t..lte11 you. have to ll•• 

U1e ..ord •or ecue18 P8ge 13, Sect. ;>3i AR..S50·2~t ;c ~une 19431 JMlr. e, 1'T'1e UIP ar pr"op:r1etaJ7 nrJMt• Sn *Pf'Cif.fQfit.jon•. s1 an •Jq>ed!nt in l!f!'V of an accurate c:Jeecr1ption Will, l:~ held to a mnf~\i~ anc:! 1n no cere will be veed unl••& tollo'ed b:1 t.h~ phrase •or equel. 11 • . ... . . ._,,_. __ 

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i.t.(;'lPQ&s .thtt J• •elr explamtory, "rhich •"ant" no < ., ) •• ·pleced :Sn the n:oc>el. 

1hrn? ue YC'r'J' ,.,..11 ol<'tnnce n~ jt '2"• ;>os11itle t."'11.t. one icrew ar.<! _v:ll:.nt.fon of- Hi·. ~nt that ~.- loo11r. woul~ cause e r.hort c1rcuSt... 'lhc othe:r c:onnf-ctton ma ( _ 't ) • I.tr. - =-~--­

~tauffPr •DC I ~J1cuae~c thBt the outld~e or thcr-. ePl?lf~nts ~""~ conoi~e:re~l~·..urr-t.~ 1r.d · · · ;:rut • e~J"PY on •nc! tt YoulC: t.tr.t.t<Pn. up~ Deeauae tJ\e ir.anutacturer tl'lought it iiat adv1ubi8 - to put. that on~ ' ·· - · ... -..: .:...:---- ~: \ ~ ~ 

.~ng;,: Lo 1.hey use tr.et tt-i>8c.if1cat~on !n the !.°fl'P tepartu:entT . "' . . . -

.. l!..f.:tPJ.t'fil!c · 1'hf;t .Se Sl"on.e with tMe·pare.p,:r.tphf .fltPt ·1e f.hP. trou~le,. .. epecif1cntSons ,.r.;·-· ~rr,y.cor.p~•~rr.1ive but are known to those aF.illPC! in thet ·ari. •. As' aitt~r of tect, in 

;,he ebOvt r~:n-C f8tur~r 1-htve enumrret.crl the •ecl10 wrds"- by ref11rence to the above "'. · \._ 

.::.!~f!J'lt'-':B.- 'ih,..re •re a numOc:.r of n:ferP.nc~"r:Orei: uee~ b:f- r,~i'e:-;;.ner ·iiu ebV'e 'pnrng~phs~ · 

,\ 1\ three l*Jl"t:tcular ''01-ds ·ere- f'mt·rr.ced iri. above P""ia~ra 1>hs. S"t. hM&:a~1r.i~turc tul:e we a ~ . 

fea tun- of the 4ev1Cf!. lm©lOO~ij~Yl~~!L · · 
" . • .- ttJlmm!Mel~b666~-

~"}.!.J.9!: The atot.CJ'lent wi!rn h-JPi?J.e ,-· •YP&" 1a not Pven • ca11 ~ltttP •JttPnce .. " .. .. . - - . . 

~H,<:.lll;R~ l htvt' an..,rcd. U.l't. Tt..e tubft wall perfol'r.IBnee 1n r~'r.d-to a cort1Hri t1P8 ·-··= 

or tubftM 1\ SI •Pet1r..tul to put o~rP.tion cf the tubes. t!n7 l aalr t.h1s quetMon? Tfbat .. C.::UIK t~• •lar cischRr~e in t~1P pt1rt:2_Ct:lF.r t)rpe bJ" t.ube1 . . . ·. ~-_=:- .. · ... _- -- ..... ·. 

~: ~!l!lt • -·I eenr.ot 1:01w;cr that _ty;>e of qu.-tition. l &I! l!erel;y PoinUnr. out tbet this para... ...~= 

rtr11ph in 700r T'f'pl)' a0\1vays ebsolutfllJ no ~esn1ng to KE. - _ · · ... -' . . · . '\ _ _:_"'_ -:..: :..-~· : 

?il-.~• •~ 1rt till• ·pr-rt1cu~Pr tute ~ flnci there ia ~ peeoua a\a!oephere; In th:la ~"'!'rUculrr tv'tA? \htre· ia eoc.cth!ng to cre•t«' R '1,o• in thr.1. tubft a~ that i11 usuell7 :-rctuc~ t1 (p') • ' . - ' : . - -. . :' ' --. r . \ • • • ' • • - ' • : -- ~ :- • -? -•-::.-o:._ 

?;._lit~!.• On Uiie· •• l1a11!l', t.h,'e eentPnC"t •J~,. thia .reason A1U ••\ represent • 1aoci\fl-- · ~1.u1:1 i• it notT" I tb:lnk t.)le-re ~iKht be e t7IJ!nc error but it :h eenainl:r incoherent... . . .. .. . . ~ - --.... :.._ .": ... 

-jU'l'CHF.Jh !1w 6reft _•1'9 thia is for. a .special t,pe, • eub-Piniature tubfo. The aize 'ftfl8 

~.ha pPrlicntlr:r- th:h:c. At.a ce+ttin voltsp thO tub .auld brt'ak down and not tunction. _ ~ 

The\ •• tbf- n1n.cblllncter1atlc. , .. · - ~ · · · ' . ·-. -- ,=-:-~--.,_:- • ' .. • ~ • • • • I ' 

Sxug[i Iou an r,ttt:lng away frosr: ·my. p1trtioul•i:- po:lnt.. co,.:reot writing •houlo follow 

gnan.tical :rule-•.·. Unlees uter.1al is put ooJn 1n coa-rect f'omt ~ople are zo!ng to .rd.a• 

unceratisnd :t\. · · · ·, · ; , ~-: "·=·. __ . · • . · .• - . 

fQ'tQlt}.Rt 'tbe Y.holr. thing started 1dth Jti11.i-nd"ratending .. 

2Qb. lRil;lla Here 11 another iUch -PX&l!lplfl' at the top of page 5. (RNde) - "Thi& '10u1a ' 

indicate to el1r1'(Ul1.e 8 'cevelopment' re.t~r b•1ne or it ~ould eppeer 8 •propheq-'. 

'tberea• t't:t'rt" are ·J:".etallic:- p.c:rticleo of a 1 collo1co1 nature 1 :ln1.eirpollf'e tor exan:ple 

Stic.r. •• 1;etallic aercu17~ usuai.17 fcnmd ·therein, ... h:lch pravide ti inN'bs tor, such a 

pheno1ten', :ha tl-.11 l:fght tho '!tatecent :b first non•essent1al ve)!"b.i&ge Second l!liadeaor1ptlve, leckinf 1n true_ knowl..Cge of the ''tX$12RIZlllc gmst' .. • I am riot an engi• 

neer, but. the languap used 1a Uloi!i~l and incoherent. lt ycu can"t v.-ritc a spocifi• 

".'at!on ao thP. p<-reon can read St, :rou can_'t n•ito·· a specification. I - . 

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fl!.11911§11 I took ·pointe out enc:? put their. into one peragrepb. That. S.e whet.had already -- -'---" 

been. uid. . ·_ _ · _ .. . ·_ ., .. 

fJYi!la Th:le 1:~o:lfication ne.Y~r d:!d get to th~. wanurecturer. If ~t had been seint ... t 

would hlw happoned1 : · ', :-=----

IU:TQpBa l 11"CU1.d nner have a119,,..ed 2t to go. ·I tioold hot have cH.~closed I. wrote that - - - spec in 2C sinutee. Fro:r. thet_ Uir.e to this pe:rticu_l.A'r de~e 1t took ~ba to t:t~e it. · ·· _-- ~anted to rat. tJ.1eil" ccmmonte 11,nd th~n skc a tini~bed prcouct. It.•• no completed ape~ _ in •117 mnner or to:rm. · · ~ - · · · ' ·. · --- ::r'·=-: ···"' 

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am!Q1 a Ia that t:rue ot all apecal --

[H,10lill\t I would ake preliminary 41pecs Rad i:ra.ke a tin:lehed prod,uc\. 

DE§Dls For the intOrlr.a't~on bf Ir • .te,:son, !!r. J'let_c'her is supposed f.o· prepare for 'l!:e 

what he consider& 8 draft Of the epec1ficat1on in its tinal forl:l. I P.O ~er the rlrart 

ane mke specific cotrtl!enta on the drert ao he· cen· "take &D7 "in~o:ra tio~, . plus arq c?iaCU88ion, ane produce t~nal apccitic11tioil. Aftel'.' ~ have seen 1t- once ana 1'.ave gone. over ~~ ....... 

it 11ith hi;a l ·ton 't expect to set: it again. 'l'bP.t is the form 'in 1[bich these two crefts . 

came to p: T_llfit part.iculnT' drsft may have t~en P"~uced in 'C r.inutes. How '1'!".&DJ' ahead 

or thBt· T.Cra a:de"l 

FU:.TCHF.R& Jlcme , ... re- mude. .. . : -·; • &. -· I • 

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~ .... . ~r.r.ag, . On the t.ute apecifi C11t1on I did not eta &D,J' preliminary a~c1 f!cations. - ~- ~ I I I - - ' 

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it •Dl' time did he submit •111' spec~1cat~0na which ftn tentRtSve or l'OUgh drarts'I • .&.. " " J, " • " " o "' ... " ·-· I I ...1,~I 

llra Stauffer 1hoftd M_ one or_ t.wo_ hepdwrittP'ft by t.i~. Pl.etaher on t'he cOftlltUtat~r. _ ~ ·- - _ _:-;.'l;s. .. .:'...,,~-:.,: ' .c.:-4~~' ~ long baa Jtr, J'tetcf:er been mid'ei' JCUl" tuperriaiont " I •" ;_ • 

.J 

1•WSm,1 BtJl'Cla 46T I ~ereta~ ho worbd for: a •hort time •-1 tbe.'"l "t- •• aiok. Hae .it b~!n ·•tmt. ' ... th., I • . · • . . ·. ,.- ·--- . • . . . - o;_:_: 

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PlfDI• It. •• lo~r tball _ 3 eonth•. • : · .•• a. 

i~t§g{i !fa• h• u~e~- ~ euperv11;1011 during the ~ti~ ·iin eilj>le>Jed here'!. . . 

QHiil• He wr.a .earplo;red in• section WM!er rq aupel'TisS.on •. - - -.~ .. =~·-:. 

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~{11 L:lrl ~· auhdt drafts otbn tban this' one or me~u1cal netu"' 

i.in'UZ More than these two tat they ·~ -cleee1~1ed. . - --- - -- - . --"':":"~ ·--=--;_--

Will. I ~•• thie on~ ever cwpleted and furnished to manufacturer! 

J1ia-iJ1 •o- .- ·- - --- . .. .. - - - .. _-.. ---~-: .. :_~ 

J!.'!r@mt.1 'teTe •Q" other apec1f1cat1ona of Kr. netcber ever aubln1tted to manufacturers?- · · -- ' .- - ".! -

tfm&s lot ae he _prepared them. t.st spring some were .. the7 wen eopiea written bJ' · . 1:'.:!. They are all reviewed by me before °OOinP. aubmitted.. - '. 

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"6mml• All ot your 1peciticati one are prepared a11 roup,h cirarte or pttl :lm:lnary epeoiri• ---'!, -~ 

c::at:lcns and all -aubject- to change? ·~ _ · · · · :"- . . - . : ., _ ~ -·:; 

.. . . ~!!§gli . Yqti aJ,~o ~ha~e. SPeait!aationa ot ·other pereon~ unde:r ;JOUr aupervis~on"l . . . 

·muas Aey- person unde!" me would forRt.rd it to se. 

'6'i§Olh How SDJ' engineers did 7au have unciel" JOU? 

PW"EB1 6 or 7. -

l:lTi§Qt1 IJ'he1 ell prepared preliminary spec1t'1cat1on~'t 

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'. B'Ell At ~e time I be~ on• engineer pi'"8pa:r:lng prf'l1r.:5nor,r dri!.tte but it is a job :tie 

•houldn't beve to do. It 1a the job ot the apeoit~cetiona wr~ter. 

:· .'t.;. 

U!f§Clil t:hather th81 ef'e f'r. ~letcher s or Somecne_ e1S'1'8 J'Oll ~kP fi.nal drafts? 

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l#Eml\1 'l'he:r preplre what· the1 esaumP to be t!nal drafts and I look -theJr over and make 

ccr.imente and recoir.mndatione for ther to mke fi:nal cop1•s. l ana tbft epproviD( euthori-t.7. 

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DYIQI• !ou did tbat tor ell enr:lneers under 1011r-aupen:Leiont - = 

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IJ.EE'g1 Yea, all enaineers :ln the division. --.=:. .~ .. ....:... .;..-

pAIBOl1 ir. Fletcha:r, when were :.vou first employed. ·with the 'Rar Depa:rtllentt . - - l.llT91tJ!:.J1 I received comrnun1ca.t:lon tram Signal Corps in 1.41. Accepted appointment _ · ~- · Oatober 9, 1941 a116 worked tor Si~l Corps until 194'. Equipment :lD (quest.ion?) •• __ transferred to the ~ 1r Corp~ encl the "1r Corps requested IQ' service. · · 

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1LE!QBiR1 Would' eupply techn~cal inform ti on to technical start, Bae!o work •a instruc- _ t01" to Labs as to what to do in spec:H'icet5ons~ My O~Til ~erdce appointment )IA• tha~ ~---. 

an engineer, qualified under C!nl Servioe. , . · . - . ._ . . __ .• 

·DAl§Qlh Prior to the )'OU -came with the A~ Security Ageno:r, had ~ gotten el~ 

slit:lstactor:ll7 with peopl~ 1'QU worked with! 

llltQl!!z tea. t - •• 

... 

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PA!SQlh !het were JOU!' etf'1a1eno7 rat1n1aT 

l'J.1.'f91!fJla · "V e17 Good.• - - _ ... -_ ::~ 

- . W.ISClh Prior to thCJ tiM you oa11e 'ldth t.h:le oi-pn1~t:loii did 70u hR•e ati!'ll of lower 

than •vm Good!• ~ · - - · 

nncga1 Bot to '!rf' Jmowledp. 

ij6J8911 Bow long ba'f'e 7fJU bean an q1neer'f 

FLftCPB• Since bet..n ~·.la at 'lforld .. r. I wl"ked tor the American l'leotr1o Beat.er 

Co., IHch!pn. · - · ·----~-- ·:1_-~==--

llDPJll• Bava you 15ooe ~or to the lit liorld War, 191?, to the present u..· qpgiid iia- ··: 

the proteaaion of itlectri•l e!Jl?intter1 . · . _ . ,, -. .- -~-~ 

lLUQ!Bl• I have. .· 

Rf.!IQl1 Did 7011 corit1msoaal.7' 

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RcJJUs S1noe 1912 tO ~ preaeDt time 1n ··leat.l-1•1 ·ft!.11naerina. elld (worlrlng ..mr 111.7' · ·:·-~: patents. · - · ~. · - · · - · · . " " ~ ·. ·. =:i 

D!l'l§O?h Are thti:N •117' - -· .""i'- :' · ., • -~ 

n.itmli&-s ho .. (l'lourea~t lamp and radio oircuit) ctbti~~ pendtng on atazio eneru. · ~ ·.:-

PAJfS011. Bow long •re 1C'AJ. e111pl01ee in the '1'111' Becur!ty Agenq betore you pt. •• ettl·.· .. . o1en01 rating? . . .. -· · . · · , . . _ . · : _. ::=.:.'... .:: 

l!IJQ!Dt 30 ce71 and u.i •vnut11rlct017. • Then •• an eiro~ :fn the tffi:oiftOJ ~-~- ·:--~ end they requested 1 nturn it ao thq could correct the error. _ · : __ _,_.~ 

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• REF ID:A.666 • 

· -Glm00r~01Bff~p\t. .. __ .. 

. . A~_ you ho,aorebly di11charged cf !:lt"et ";orld ?.'er? 

llf.IQJW!t I 1111,. Volunteered my zcmcea. {Pauae) .. _ .. .,._ 

§1611,tJ.t lQT f'urth.r au•ations or conr1>n~t1? 

"'CSOl!t On bl11 of •xplansUon., 1t lft'lla to 11!G as • la71t11D end on• who ·haa little 

kJlO•led'-1 of an~1Jl~l"iJli: 1 t""t. he ahould hoV• nt:111tactorU:y aa~.-r.:reo. the ClUest50J18 ~ 

:~o or 1'1• la~ue~. to the enawere to the ct.a~ea •• not 1.'he -ort choi~• tbat U,e 

et.ud•nt. ot IrutHBh would u.-e but. 1 t.h!dk that 1tw l:eaide the point. l th1nl· he eatiafactor.flJ' ane•l't'd all .of the c~ar~ea. I thjnlr :rou &entleir.en 'tho •n engineers heve 

hf'arC h1• upleMi lona and he certainly 'Imo~ :tlhet. he is tal~~ abcu1."! _ 

§!~!Ll!!.t Al'\J' turf.her stlltntnte' I 

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.S:..fJQ.11 Thfl?'e na mcetb1ng JSr.. Jletaher •nted ........ tmP. hclinical biolflNige be nnted . · t.o nbrst. A 'Written statnPnt which he •nted incorporated :fn 1.he record. ls i'tr per- mis1il:l<' tor h!m to do so~ · 1 • · • • • F - --~ .:_ 

§lm:t11 It ia, n 1dll nit tor it beto:re the :eoare decides the eaae • 

Rll!HI\ 1 '11!21 t 11 all 

Meet1Dlt adjour~ed. 

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• STA.RLD · 

Ot-.1t:lrntan_, Civilian Emplo,iient Boerd 

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