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Minutes ot the Meeting of the EDcutiw Group for 

Naticmal. Secur1t7 Agenq Scientific Advisory Board iltairs 

held S Decembe1• 19SS 

l. A meeting of the Executive Group tor National. Secur.Lt7 Age!JC7 

Scientific Advisor.r Board Affairs was hold at UDO on S December 19.55 

1n Roaa 17-131. :NSS. 

2. Those present at the meeting 111&ret 

a. Membere1 

Dr. s. Kul1ba.ck,, ExBcuM.w Secretary 

Brigadier General w. M. Bw.•gess., USAF 

Colonel K. I. Da'Vis,, USA 

Captain J. s. Holtwick,, USll 

Captain A. Etlderlln,, USN 

Mr. P. E. Neff 

b. NSA. Scientific Adv!eo17 Board member: 

Mr. William F. Friedman 

c. Observers 

Dr. H. Ho Cam.paigna 

3. The Executive Secretary opened the meeting b.Y suggesting that the 

Group consider preparation or an agenda. tor tbs next NSASAB meeting. He 

considered the first item of business mu:Ld be the approval ot the minutes 

ot the last meeting, which was held 6-7 April 19SS. Atter a. brief discussion 

it was agreed that the EDcutiw Secretary muld send the tentative minutes 

to Mr. McPherson,, Chairman ot the Board,, tor his approval. so that the minutes 

can be prepared tor circulation to the Boa.rel members with the agenda. 

4q Mr. Friedman asked it there was &D\V' unf'inisbed Board business tram 

the last meeting. Dr. Kullback replied that there was one question which 

General Canine had raised at the last meeting: He requested the Board to 

consider the desirability ot netting up a separate,, or ca.ptiw organizttion,, 

as an adjunct to the Age11e7. The Group discussed Dr. Baker• s proposa.1. in 

this connection and the action which had been taken by the Agenq. It was 

*The transcript- of the proceedings of the meeting on 6 Apr.11 do not reflect 

the Jll!'.Ull18r or time in which this propose.J. was ma.de. It is beliewd that it 

was as a resu1t ot a discussion on this date Genera.l Canine that Dr. Baker 

was encouraged to make a specific propos:al. contemplating the eatablisln.ent 

and opsration of such an organisation by General Electric. SE€RE'rote b7 the Secret&17) 

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agreed that a report by the Board as a resul.t of its cona1dera.t1on ot this 

project at the 1ast meeting and ot its discussion ot Dr. Baker's proposal 

at the .tort;bcardng meeting could be another item tor tbe agendao 

s. Dro Kullback told the group that Mr. McPherson had been down the 

previous mek and suggested tbs middle ot Februa.17 as a possible time to 

schedule the next Board meeting. He also had suggested several items which 

should be put on the agenda: 

a. The Board members 'WOUl.d like to have a BUDlllla1'1' of the PHASE I, 

II and III documents on mechanization, and sufficient time scheduled to 

read these. 

b. A review of the Robertson Report and its recommendations. The 

members of the Group mentioned other reports which have been written 'bJ' 

outside ad hoc investigative bodies, such as the Clarie and Kill.ian Comittees, 

and it was the 1'eeling of tm Group that the Boa.rd shoul.d be advised ot tba 

existence ot these reports and of their broad outliDeso 

A discussion of the actions ta.ken as a resul.t of the Robertson 

Report reO<>mlDSIJdations toll.owed,, and some ot the actions taken wre indicated, 

such as ( l) that taken in regard to the recommendation made by Professor 

Wilks,, which resUlted in the special stu<tr by NSA-34 and NSA.-90; (2) hiring 

a psychologist tor the AgenqJ and (3) initiating steps to obtain certain 

legislative actions which 1a0uld be of material. assistance to the Director 

in his administration and deve1opnent of the Agenc70 

In repq to a suggestion that someone re'View the Robertson 

Report to determine what concrete actions have taken place as a result of 

the recommendations,, Captain Ito1ttd.ck suggested that Captain McDonald 'WOUld 

be the most qml.ified person to make such a stud1'• 

6. Mr. Friedman reported on a program which bad been discussed sometime 

ago to set up a special project and mechan1cs for a series of' E.zchange 

Research Fellowships to be financed. by the u.s. from Mutual Weapons Devel.op.. 

ment Program .tunds. The intent of the program muld be to tr.r to get persons 

to:nnerl.y' in the business,, both here and at GCHQ,, who are now back at their 

universities or private companies, to devote one or two years• study and 

concentration on one or more ot the unreso1ved high-leve1 problems. He said 

that when Ur. Quar1es was Assistant Secretary ot Dei"ense for Rand D he had 

indicated his approval. of such a project lihen told about it am. had asked 

that he be giwn some estimate or the amount which should be set aside trom. 

MLiDP funds for such a project. Mr. Friedman therefore tel.t w should be able 

to obtain the necessary funds; the real pmblem was 1£ w could get qualified 

peop1e interested 1n the project. Mr. Jones, Director,, GCHQ, bad al.so 

inrorma.1.];y indicated to Mr. Friedman his interest 1n such a program and 

would probably cooparate to 'IMha.teveJ" ext.em; was feasible,, short of providing funds therefor. 

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Establishing this project was discussed and all members agreed 

that the big obstacle to getting :l.t started would be tr,iDg to get peopl.e 

interested in dewting one or tw 19ars• time to such a stWV-. It lGS 

suggested that i-rhapa NSASAB would be one group that could support am 

push the program and perhaps suggest names ot candidates. 

7. Dr. Kullback reported that he had talked to General Canine about 

the plans tor setting up a Board meeting and General. CaniIJe had added one 

specitic item to the agendas 

A general. discussion of recent de'V9lopnents in communications as 

they af':tect NSA., and gemral. NSA. probl.aas ot conmmication. 

After a brief discussion or recent developnents in tm communications 

field,, Dr. Kullback asked Captain Enderlin it he would look into the whole 

problem ot teleccmnun1cations as they attect NSA and be prepared to handle 

this item or the agenda. 

s. Dr. Kullback suggested. that another item. tor the agenda muld. be a 

report on the Ageney progress and programs. This would be a t)"pe or annual 

rGport and wuld require reports from PROD,, COMSEC,, R/D and Staff. Captain 

Holtw!ck 'Will monitor the preparation ot the Sta.ft portion ot this report. 

9. Hr. Friedman asked it Mr. McPherson had mentioned the desirabilit7 

ot a report on the activities ot each of the ~ Panels as a possible item 

of the agenda. The Group discussed how active each of the Panels had been 

and it was felt that while they have not had f"oiml. meetings there have been 

quite a lot ot contacts with indi'ddual. members ot the Pamls. It was 

agreed that it would be a good idea to ask the Chairman o£ each of tba Panels 

to prepare a report summarizing panel activities for the previous year. 

(Mr. McPherson will. be asked about the ad:visability- of this). 

10. Dr .. Kullback said that another item l'lbich Mr. McPherson wanted 

added to the agenda was a report on equipnent, acquisitions. R/D will haw 

the responsibility tor preparlng this report. 

11. After a brief discussion, it was proposed. that the NSASAB meeting 

be tentatively scheduled tor 15,, 16 and 17 February. It this date is 

suitable to the majority ot the Board manbers. the agenda can be prepared 

and forwarded to the members approx1matel7 a month before the meeting. 

A meeting ot the Executive Group to finalize the agenda was 

scheduled f'or 9 January at 1400 to be held in Room 17-131. NSS. 

120 In discussing the item regarding the progress made by the Agency, 

Dr. Kullback said that he believed Gemral Ca.nine wuld like us to get the 

Board 1 s reaction to the "Long Range Est.ima.te". The mechanics ot how to make 

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this re~rt available to the Boa.rd manbers,, duo to its claesitication,, llaS 

discussed and it was decided that the itaa should be tentativaly put down 

as an item for the agenda am it wul.d. be decicled at the next meeting of the 

G:roup how best to handle it. 

13. Mr. Friedman aaid that he thought a matter of interest to the Board 

members 'MOUld be his nomination to membership and suggested that a formal note 

be written to the JllElllbers. Dr. Kullback agreed that this wuld be done. Mr. 

Friedman asked it there wre 8ZfT other recommendations for changes in Board 

D1E1nbersh!p. There was some discussion regarding the present status ot Dr. 

wn Neumann and Mr. Quarles. Recommendations for changes 1n Beard membership 

w11l be an item of the agenda. 

The meeting adjourned at is2;. 

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