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In the United States Court of Federal Claims

No. 17-889C

Filed Under Seal: May 31, 2018

Reissued: June 13, 20181

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IDEAL INNOVATIONS, INC., *

THE RIGHT PROBLEM, LLC, and, *

ROBERT KOCHER, *

* Motion to Dismiss, RCFC 12(b)(1),

Plaintiffs, * RCFC 12(b)(6), Patent Infringement, 

* Statute of Limitations, Assignments of 

v. * Claims Act, 31 U.S.C. §3727(b)

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THE UNITED STATES, *

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Defendant. *

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John M. Caracappa, Steptoe & Johnson, LLP, Washington, DC, for Plaintiffs

Lee Livio-Alejandro Perla, Trial Attorney, Commercial Litigation Branch, Civil Division,

Gary L. Hausken, Director, Chad A. Readler, Acting Assistant Attorney General, Department of 

Justice, Washington, DC, for Defendant. 

OPINION AND ORDER

DAMICH, Senior Judge

Plaintiffs allege that the United States infringed Plaintiffs’ patents and disclosed to 

others, including Plaintiffs’ competitors, Plaintiffs’ trade secrets. The Plaintiffs are Ideal 

Innovations, Inc. (“I-3”), The Right Problem (“TRP”), and Robert Kocher, the alleged inventor 

and original owner of the three patents-in-suit and President and CEO of both I-3 and TRP.

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three patents and trade secrets, generally involve an alleged novel configuration of armor to 

protect a wheeled vehicle from attack by explosively formed projectiles (“EFPs”) while 

maintaining the vehicle’s mobility. The Plaintiffs allege that, because of the infringement of its 

patents and the disclosure of the trade secrets, the Government purchased thousands of vehicles 

 1 The parties were directed to file any redactions; no redactions were received. 

2 Because of the interrelationship of Kocher, TRP and I-3, the Court treats them as one 

entity and calls them collectively, “Plaintiffs,” except when addressing specific arguments where 

a party uses the name of one of them.
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from competitors rather than from the Plaintiffs, inflicting substantial harm on the Plaintiffs.

On June 29, 2017, Plaintiffs’ filed a Complaint alleging three patent infringement claims 

and three disclosure of trade secret claims. On October 27, 2017, Defendant filed a Motion to 

Dismiss some of the patent claims as time barred and some of the trade secret claims as time 

barred or in the alternative for lack of jurisdiction and failure to state a claim. On January 23, 

2018, Plaintiffs’ responded. On February 27, 2018, Defendant replied. This case is fully briefed 

and ripe for decision.

For the reasons set forth below, this Court hereby denies-in-part, grants-in-part 

Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss with regard to the patent claims. The Court further holds in 

abeyance its ruling on Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss with regard to the trade secret claims. 

I. BACKGROUND AND RELEVANT DATES

In 2005, U.S. troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan were suffering large numbers of 

casualties while traveling in wheeled vehicles as a result of explosively formed projectiles 

(“EFPs”). EFPs were designed to pierce from a long distance away, armor on vehicles carrying 

U.S. troops. Thus, there was a need to develop a response to EFPs that would better protect U.S. 

troops. 

On January 20, 2006 Robert Kocher, through his company I-3 provided a briefing to the 

U.S. Army’s Rapid Equipping Force (“REF”) related to a commercially available vehicle being 

equipped with his invention which would better protect soldiers from EFPs. REF then submitted

Kocher’s proposal to U.S. Army Tank Automotive Command (“TACOM”). On February 3, 

2006, TACOM responded to I-3’s proposal and the REF Director decided not to pursue Kocher’s

proposal.

On June 24, 2006 Kocher briefed REF again. On August 21, 2006 Kocher filed a patent 

application that would become 7,401,540 (“‘540 patent”) with the United States Patent and 

Trademark Office (“PTO”). This was the first of three related patent applications filed by 

Kocher involving a potential armor solution for protecting wheeled vehicles from EFPs. On 

August 28, 2006, the Army Contracting Agency awarded I-3 with a purchase order for two 

prototype vehicles equipped with Kocher’s armor system.

On April 16, 2007, I-3 made an unsolicited proposal to TACOM. Again on May 23, 

2007, I-3 made an unsolicited proposal to Marine Corps System Command 

(“MARCORSYSCOM”).

On July 31, 2007, MARCORSYSCOM issued a request for proposal known as Mine 

Resistant Ambush Protected (“MRAP-II”) to address the threat of EFPs. Additionally, in order 

to equip those vehicles already in service with protection against EFPs, the United States Marine

Corps (“USMC”) initiated the MRAP Expedient Armor Program (“MEAP”). 

On December 18, 2007, MRAP-II awards were issued to I-3 and another supplier. 
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Additionally, over two billion dollars in contracts were awarded to pre-existing MRAP vendors 

to up-armor vehicles already in service pursuant to MEAP. In early 2008, at trade shows and 

upon request, the specification sheet related to a vehicle built by a supplier other than I-3 that

protected against EFPs was available to the public. Throughout early 2008, multiple press 

releases, by this supplier, discussed the armor employed on this vehicle to protect against EFPs. 

In one of these press releases, the supplier announced that this vehicle would be available at the 

February 2008 Association of the United States Army (“AUSA”) symposium. 

On May 15, 2008, Kocher filed patent application that would become 8,365,648 (“‘648 

patent”). On July, 22, 2008, the ‘540 patent3 issued. On August 20, 2008 counsel for I-3,

Stephen E. Baskin, sent to Barry Edelberg, Office of General Counsel, Office of Naval Research, 

Department of the Navy (“Navy”) a letter alleging that the US Government was purchasing 

vehicles that were covered in part by Kocher’s ‘540 patent. In short, Baskin wrote: “It is our 

understanding . . . that the U.S. Government has been buying vehicles that are covered by at least 

one claim of the ‘540 patent.” Def. Mot. to Dismiss, Ex A at 2.

On September 18, 2008, the Navy responded, requesting additional information to review 

the claim, and enclosed a copy of the appropriate regulation to file an administrative claim for 

patent infringement, Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation Supplement (“DFARS”) 227.7004.

On March 18, 2011, Kocher assigned all right, title and interest to the ‘540 patent to 

TRP.4

October 1, 2012, the MRAP program was reported to be completed. October 2012, 

Kocher climbed inside of an MRAP vehicle built by another supplier at an AUSA trade show.

On December 26, 2012 Kocher filed the patent application that would become the 

8,651,008 (“‘008 patent”). On February 5, 2013 ‘648 patent issued and on February 18, 2014,

the ‘008 patent issued.

On July 18, 2014, TRP filed an administrative claim with the Navy alleging patent 

infringement pursuant to DFARS 227.7002 related to the ‘540, ‘648, and ‘008 patents. The letter 

explained that the MRAP vehicles integrated with MEAP kits as well as vehicles procured under 

the MRAP-II program infringed on the patents.

On January 31, 2017, the Navy denied TRP’s administrative claim. On June 29, 2017,

Plaintiffs filed this Claim.

 3 The ‘540 patent was entitled a “Highly Survivable Urban Utility Vehicle (“HSUUV”).” 

The other two patents were also entitled HSUUV.

4 Kocher also assigned all the rights, title, and interests to TRP for the patent applications 

which would become the ‘648 patent (on December 26, 2012) and the ‘008 patent (on June 20, 

2013).
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II. STANDARD OF REVIEW

A. Standard of Review Under RCFC 12(b)(1)

Subject matter jurisdiction may be challenged at any time by the parties. Booth v. United 

States, 990 F.2d 617, 620 (Fed. Cir. 1993). Indeed, this Court's jurisdiction to entertain claims 

and grant relief, like all Federal courts, depends on the extent to which the United States has 

waived sovereign immunity. United States v. Testan, 424 U.S. 392, 399 (1976). The burden of 

establishing the Court's subject matter jurisdiction rests with the plaintiff, who must establish 

jurisdiction. Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, 504 U.S. 555, 561, (1992).

Even so, when faced with a motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction, 

pursuant to the Rules of the Court of Federal Claims (“RCFC”) 12(b)(1), a court must assume 

that all undisputed facts alleged in the complaint are true, and it must draw all reasonable 

inferences in the plaintiff's favor. Scheuer v. Rhodes, 416 U.S. 232, 236 (1974); see also Henke 

v. United States, 60 F.3d 795, 797 (Fed. Cir. 1995). The movant, however, may challenge the 

truth of any facts upon which jurisdiction depends. See Raymark Indus. v. United States, 15 Cl. 

Ct. 334, 338 (1988). If it does, the plaintiff must come forward with a prima facie showing of 

jurisdiction. See Raymark Indus., 15 Cl. Ct. at 338. The plaintiff cannot rely on its allegations. 

See Hornback v. United States, 52 Fed. Cl. 374, 377 (2002). The Court may look to evidence 

outside of the pleadings in order to ascertain the propriety of its exercise of jurisdiction over a 

case. Rocovich v. United States, 933 F.2d 991, 994 (Fed. Cir. 1991), aff'd in relevant part,

Martinez v. United States, 281 F.3d 1376 (Fed. Cir. 2002).

B. Standard of Review Under RCFC 12(b)(6)

Pursuant to RCFC 12(b)(6), the Court will grant Defendant’s motion to dismiss if it finds 

the Plaintiff has failed to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. In considering a 

motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted, the Court “must 

accept as true all of the allegations in the complaint” and “must indulge all reasonable inferences 

in favor of the non-movant.” Sommers Oil Co. v. United States, 241 F.3d 1375, 1378 (Fed. Cir. 

2001). The Court must “treat all of the well-pleaded allegations of the complaint as true.” Miree 

v. DeKalb County, 433 U.S. 25, 27 n. 2, (1977); Reynolds v. Army & Air Force Exch. Serv., 846 

F.2d 746, 747 (Fed. Cir. 1988). In order for a claim to properly be stated, the complaint “must 

contain sufficient factual matter, accepted as true, to state a claim to relief that is plausible on its 

face.” Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662, 678 (2009). A complaint should be dismissed under 

RCFC 12(b)(6) “when the facts asserted by the claimant do not entitle him to a legal remedy.” 

Lindsay v. United States, 295 F.3d 1252, 1257 (Fed. Cir. 2002). 

Although the materials the Court may consider is more limited under RCFC 12(b)(6) than 

under RCFC 12(b)(1), the Court may still go beyond the complaint’s allegations. The Court, for 

example, may take judicial notice of any relevant public records. See Zulueta v. United States, 

553 Fed. Appx. 983, 986 (2014) (quoting Sebastian v. United States, 185 F.3d 1368, 1374 (Fed. 

Cir. 1999)).
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III. DISCUSSION

The Complaint consists of six counts, the first three relate to patent infringement, more 

specifically, (I) infringement of the ‘540 patent, (II) infringement of the ‘648 patent, (III) 

infringement of the ‘008 patent. The final three counts in the Complaint relate to trade secrets as 

(IV) a taking under the Fifth Amendment, (V) a breach of an implied-in-fact contract, and (VI)

misappropriation.

The Government argues that Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the running of the Statute of 

Limitations. Regarding the patent infringement claims, the Government also argues that they are

barred by the Assignment of Claims Act. Regarding the disclosure of trade secret claims, the 

Government also argues that they should be dismissed for failure to state a claim.

Although the arguments of the parties regarding patent infringement and of trade secrets 

are intertwined, the Court believes that proper analysis requires that they be treated separately. 

In this regard, the Court notes that in the Complaint Plaintiffs distinguish trade secrets (which are 

also labeled, “proprietary, trade secret information” or “I-3 Proprietary Information”) from 

patent infringement. For example, the Complaint uses the phrase “I-3 Proprietary Information . . 

. as well as [Kocher’s] patented inventions.” Compl. at 37. Therefore, the Court will equate 

“proprietary information” with “trade secrets,” and differentiate these two phrases from patent 

infringement.

A. Patent Infringement Claims

This Court possesses exclusive jurisdiction to entertain a suit against the United States by 

the owner of a United States patent to recover compensation for the unauthorized use of the 

patented invention. See 28 U.S.C. §1498. Pursuant to this statute, the United States may be held 

liable for patent infringement if, in relevant part, a contractor for the Government uses or 

manufactures a patented invention without a license with the authorization or consent of the 

Government. See 28 U.S.C. § 1498(a); see also Zoltek Corp. v. United States, 672 F.3d 1309, 

1318 (Fed. Cir. 2012) (en banc).

To demonstrate that this Court has jurisdiction, Plaintiffs must show that they timely filed 

each claim within § 2501’s six year limitations period. See 28 U.S.C. §2501; see also Unitrac, 

LLC v. United States, 113 Fed. Cl. 156, 161 (2013) (citing Reynolds v. Army & Air Force Exch. 

Serv., 846 F.2d 746, 748 (Fed. Cir. 1988)). The language of § 2501 is clear that whether a claim 

is timely depends on when it first accrued. See U.S. C. § 2501. Furthermore, § 2501’s 

limitations period should be strictly construed in the sovereign’s favor. See MacLean v. United 

States, 454 F.3d 1334, 1336 (Fed. Cir. 2006) (quoting Hopland Band of Pomo Indians v. United 

States, 855 F.2d 1573, 1576-77 (Fed. Cir. 1988)). 

The Government argues that events occurred in 2006 through 2008 that triggered the 

Plaintiffs’ knowledge of the patent claims; therefore, claim accrual occurred no later than June 

22, 2008 when the first, ‘540 patent issued. The Complaint was filed June 29, 2017. Thus, 

absent any tolling, some of Plaintiffs’ patent claims are time barred because any accrual prior to 

June 29, 2011 is outside the six-year period allowed by the Statute of Limitations. 
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In response, Plaintiffs argue for an accrual date of October 2012. Plaintiffs point out that 

the‘648 and ‘008 patents were not issued until February 5, 2013 and February 18, 2014 

respectively, and as such those counts were timely filed on June 29, 2017. It is hard to follow the 

Government’s logic that because of events occurring in 2006 through 2008, all patent claims 

accrued no later than June 22, 2008, when the ‘540 patent was issued. The Court does not see 

claim accrual before the issue dates of the ‘648 and ‘008 patents as possible. Therefore, the 

Court agrees with Plaintiffs that the patent infringement claims (II) ‘648 patent and (III) ‘008 

patent are timely. 

1. The ‘540 Patent

Regarding the ‘540 patent, Plaintiffs contend that it was not until October 2012 when 

they knew or should have known of the facts that gave rise to their claim. 

The Court finds, however, that Plaintiffs’ infringement claim for the ‘540 patent accrued 

on August 20, 2008. This is the date of a letter by Kocher’s attorney, Stephen E. Baskin, which 

was sent to Barry Edelberg, Office of General Counsel, Office of Naval Research. On behalf of 

Kocher, Baskin wrote: “It is our understanding . . . that the U.S. Government has been buying 

vehicles that are covered by at least one claim of the ‘540 patent.” Def. Mot. to Dismiss, Ex. A 

at 2. The Court’s finding is supported by the fact that the Navy responded on September 18, 

2008 requesting additional information and providing Plaintiffs with the DFARS on how to file a 

patent infringement claim. DFARS states that a , “a declaration that the claimant has made a 

bona fide attempt to determine the item or process which is alleged to infringe, but was unable to 

do so, giving reasons, and stating a reasonable basis for his belief that his patent or patents are 

being infringed.” See DFARS § 227.7004(a)(6). See Hopland Band of Pomo Indians v. United 

States, 855 F.2d 1573, 1577 (Fed. Cir. 1988) (explaining that holding a claim first accrues when 

all the events which fix the government’s alleged liability have occurred and the plaintiff was or 

should have been aware of their existence”)(emphasis in the original).

However, 35 U.S.C. §286 provides tolling pursuant to the timely filing of an 

administrative claim with the appropriate governmental agency.

a. Tolling of Statute of Limitations

Section 2501’s limitations may be tolled for patent claims pursuant to § 286 arising from 

a validly filed administrative claim. 35 U.S.C. §286; see also Unitrac, LLC v. United States, 113 

Fed. Cl. 156, 164 (2013) (holding administrative claims that afford the United States an actual 

opportunity to deal with the claim administratively may give rise to tolling). As the issue is 

jurisdictional, the Plaintiffs have the burden to demonstrate they filed a valid administrative 

claim pursuant to § 286. See Unitrac, LLC, 113 Fed. Cl. at 164.

TRP filed an administrative claim of patent infringement for the ‘540 patent on July 17, 

2014. On January 31, 2017, the administrative claim was denied.
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Using the claim accrual date of July 22, 2008, the Government argues that Plaintiffs’ are 

still out of time because even with filing an administrative claim with the Navy on July 17, 2014, 

when the final decision was issued on January 31, 2017, Plaintiffs’ had five days left to submit 

its claim with this Court. The filing of the administrative claim on July 17, 2014 left only 5 days 

remaining to file a timely claim in this Court. The tolling provisions of § 286 ended when the 

Navy’s final decision to deny the claim was issued. Plaintiffs’ needed to file this claim in this 

Court within five days of that this decision or by February 5, 2017.

Applying the Court’s claim accrual date of August 20, 2008 and the filing of the 

administrative claim on July 17, 2014, Plaintiffs’ had thirty four days left to submit its claim to 

this Court once a final decision was rendered. In other words, the time began to run on August 

20, 2008 when the Plaintiffs first notified the government of alleged patent infringement. The 

filing of the administrative claim on July 17, 20145 tolled the statute of limitations while the 

Navy reviewed the claim. However, only 34 days remained, July 17 to August 20, on the six 

year statute of limitations time period. The tolling provisions of § 286 ended when the Navy’s 

final decision to deny the claim was issued. Hence, Plaintiffs’ needed to file this claim in this 

Court within 34 days of that decision or by March 6, 2017.

Plaintiffs’ argue that the tolling for the administrative claim continues beyond the date of

the denial, because negotiations continued after the January 31, 2017 letter by the Navy. In sum, 

Plaintiffs contend that no final decision had been issued, the tolling provisions of § 286 continue,

and their Complaint is timely. See Unitrac, 113 Fed. Cl. at 164-65; see also Dow Chem. Co. v. 

United States, 32 Fed. Cl. 11, 20 (1994), aff’d in relevant part, rev’d in part, 226 F.3d 1334, 

1347 (Fed. Cir. 2000) (explaining that “further correspondence and negotiations between the 

parties the government voluntarily undertook an intensive and careful reconsideration of its 

position”).

Unlike the cases cited by the Plaintiff, the Court finds no language in the denial letter that 

indicates a willingness to reconsider its decision denying the claim. See e.g. Unitrac, 113 Fed. 

Cl. at 165 (noting that the initial determination letter expressly provided for ongoing proceedings 

citing “[a]ny request for reconsideration must be submitted, in writing”). 

The Denial of Claim letter states, for example, on page one, the third paragraph: “This

paper provides notice that the Administrative Claim set forth in your July 17, 2014 letter is 

denied.” Plt. Resp. Ex 22 at 1. The letter goes on to detail the rationale for the denial and closes 

with the statement, “In summary, after a thorough analysis of your July 17, 2014 submission and 

the asserted patents we have denied your Administrative Claim.” Plt. Resp. Ex. 22 at 6. The 

final statement of “if you have further questions concerning this action, please contact” does not 

expressly invite an opportunity to reconsider. Id.

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Government initially argued made the claim time barred. However, since the Navy’s Denial of 

claim letter notes the date of the letter as July 17, 2008, the Court will use that date for 

computing the statutory time pursuant to §2501.
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As a result, the tolling provisions of § 286 ended with the Navy’s final decision to deny 

the claim. Plaintiffs needed to file this claim in this Court within 34 days of that decision or by 

March 6, 2017. Plaintiffs filed in this Court on June 29, 2017. Therefore, this Court grants 

Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss Count I, infringement of the ‘540 patent, as out of time.

2. The ‘648 and ‘008 Patents

As stated above, the ‘648 and ‘008 patents are not time barred, because claims related to 

them could not have accrued before the patent were issued on February 5, 2013 and February 18, 

2014 respectively. Therefore, they are within the six-year Statute of Limitations. 

a. The Assignment of Claims Act

The Government next argues that under the Assignment of Claims Act (“ACA”), the 

patent claims assigned to TRP,

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the United States. See 31 U.S.C. §3727(b). Specifically, the Government argues a primary 

purpose of the ACA is such that the government need only deal with the original claimant and 

preserves its personal defenses that ordinarily could not be exercised against an assignee. See

3rd Eye Surveillance, LLC v. United States, 133 Fed. Cl. 273, 277 (2017) (citing United States v. 

Shannon, 342 U.S. 288, 291-92 (1952)). In short, a cause of action against the U.S. cannot be 

assigned to another.

The Plaintiff responds by pointing out that the ‘648 and ‘008 patents were assigned prior 

to issuance. Kocher assigned all the rights, title, and interests to TRP for the patent applications 

which would become the ‘648 patent (on December 26, 2012) and the ‘008 patent (on June 20, 

2013). See Plt. Resp. at 27; See also Def. Mot. to Dismiss at Ex. 4 at 1-2 and 4-5. Plaintiffs 

contend the ACA is not applicable since it does not generally prevent assignment of patents.

Furthermore, Plaintiffs argue the ACA does not apply to patent assignments that “otherwise do 

not run afoul of the purposes of the Act.” 3rd Eye Surveillance, 133 Fed. Cl. at 277. 

The application of the ACA to the ‘540 patent is moot, since the Court holds that it is 

time-barred. As the Court has already held that patent infringement claims could not have 

accrued before the issue dates of the ‘648 and ‘008 patents, it follows that there were no 

unliquidated claim at the time of the assignments. Therefore, the ACA was not violated.

Furthermore, effectively, Kocher, TRP and I-3 are the same. Robert Kocher is the 

inventor and the President and CEO of both I-3 and TRP. The ACA does not apply to patent 

assignments that either “qualify for one of [the] judicially-recognized exceptions or otherwise do 

not run afoul of the purposes of the Act.” 3rd Eye Surveillance, 133 Fed. Cl. at 277. In another 

patent case, a judge in this court held that the ACA did not apply to patent claims that had 

accrued before assignment because none of the Act’s purposes were implicated. See MDS 

Assocs., Ltd. v. United States, 31 Fed. Cl. 389, 393-94 (1994) (holding that assignment of patent 

rights to an “alter-ego partnership” after alleged infringement had already taken place was not 

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. Kocher assigned to TRP the patent applications for what would become the ‘648 patent 

on December 26, 2012 and the ‘008 patent on June 20, 2013.
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barred under the ACA because the assignor and assignee were essentially the same claimant).

Similarly, Kocher and TRP are essentially the same claimants. Therefore, this Court denies the 

Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss regarding Count II, infringement of ‘648 patent and Count III, 

infringement of ‘008 patent.

B. Trade Secret Claims

In order to decide Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss regarding trade secrets, the Court needs 

further briefing. Defendant argues that Plaintiffs’ trade secrets were publicly disclosed or were 

revealed to others without proper safeguards. Although not brought up by the parties, the Court 

finds that it is important to know whether the Plaintiffs’ trade secrets overlap with the 

applications and claims of the patents in suit. Stutz Motor Car of Am. Inc, v. Reebok Int’l Ltd., 

Nos. 96-1062, 96-1083, 1997 U.S. App. LEXIS 11877 (Fed. Cir. May 16, 1997). In order to 

render its decision, the Court needs to know more precisely what the Plaintiffs are claiming as 

their trade secrets. This information will allow the Court to compare the alleged public 

disclosures and revelations of the Plaintiffs, as wells as to compare the trade secrets with the text 

of the patents.

IV. CONCLUSION

For the reasons set forth above, the Court denies in part and grants in part the 

Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss with regard to the patent claims. Specifically, the Court 

GRANTS the Motion to Dismiss as time barred Count I, the patent infringement of the ‘540 

patent. The Court DENIES the Motion to Dismiss Count II and III, the patent infringement of 

the ‘648 and ‘008 patents. 

The Court further holds in abeyance Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss regarding trade 

secrets. 

IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED: 

1. Plaintiffs shall file and serve a detailed description of what they are claiming as 

trade secrets and/or proprietary information (excepting the patents) on or before 

June 12, 2018. In order to preserve the confidentiality of this information, this 

information may be filed under seal and/or with a protective order. 

2. Plaintiffs shall respond to Defendant’s allegations and arguments regarding public 

disclosure—using the description submitted as per #1—contained in paragraph 

20, pp. 7-8 of Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss. This sur-response shall be limited 

to 10 pages and shall be filed and served at the same time as the description 

required in #1.

3. Plaintiffs shall comment on the Stutz case and its relevance to the trade secret 

portion of this case. This comment shall not exceed 5 pages and shall be filed and 

served at the same time as the description required in #1.
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4. Defendant shall comment on the Stutz case and its relevance to the trade secret 

portion of this case. This comment shall not exceed 5 pages and shall be filed and 

served within 7 days after the filing of the Plaintiffs’ submissions.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

s/Edward J. Damich 

EDWARD J. DAMICH

Senior Judge