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UK-US CONF'ERJi:l'C E ON '!HE COMMUNICATIOl'S SECURITY CF --- NATO COUNTRIES 

Minutes of the Third, Mee l.i rg c:L the C onf ere m e 

held at 0920, 10 June 1<}53 $0 3 . 3 ( h) ( 2 ). 

Present ~1 86-36/50 USC 3605 

Chainnans Mr. William F. i~Frledman 

U.K. Delegates 

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Brig. Johri R. Tf!tman 

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u.s. Delegates 

Mr. Victor\P• Keay 

Mr. Fr~ B. Rowlett 

Mr. Rol)ert F .• Packard 

Capt. Gitto rd Grange, USN 

Col. M ••. L. St}erburn, USA 

Lt. Col. John M. Ande:f'.son, USAF 

FINAL 

Lt. K. B. Monypeny, Jr., USN (Secretarr) 

Observers 

Mr. Peter F. Bayne Dr. ·H. J. Stukey 

Mr. F. C. Aust1n · 

Dr. R. H. Shaw 

l. The Chainnan placed .before the delegates the f'irst progress 

report or Subcommittee 2. This report was cohsidered paragraph b7 

paragraph and minor editorial cl~:: ::e":· ·. ·. Wi:h ... ::· m ta the question or the extent to which; 

will be necessary, ll !'!!.!! agree ~co~-t~e w0 \_consider ~his point when redrafting/ paragraph 11 or thei..r report. 

2. With regard to the question or whethe.r. the approach \.to the 

non-Standing Grou~s should be made to each singly or to all 

collect.ively, Mr. L___J suggested, and ll was yreed that the\ British 

paper to· be tabled would be taken as a basis ror discussion • 

.3. At 1000 the Chairman requested that Mr. I I assent to a 

short recess to enable the US delegates to study the British proposals. 

n, !!! agreed and the meeting recessed until 1100. 

4. The Chairman stated that atter a studf ot the British proposals 

the· US delegates found them agreeable except fot two point.a on which 

the re uested clariticat on 

mprovemen o ·their security, would perhaps offend their ·na,tional 

S()"{ere4gnty. •He added that the 'British proposale were in th8'·-rorm or 

~ rpe,r.e ~tl!l.ne, and that this point could be expanded in the final 

~.to ~ncJ.ude the thought that before proc1~ rrther in. 

iUlP.roviqg nATO nations' communications securit should have the 

will and capacity to bring her own security up o. an acceptable 

standard. .'!'.!!!!. ~ agre'!!!· 

5. The second point was the manner in· which the British proposed 

"to draw attention briefly to the more dangerous practices" or communications security .of NATO nations. I !replied that many 

nations were su!feri~g from cryptologic halitosis <md for once the\r 

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best friends were going to tell them and also say that the Standing 

Group has an excellent 'doctor. ~le would orr~r him the ra.cilitieG to 

con.sult that doctor under conditions or privacy. ·The British proposal, in all effort to clear up this unfortunate affliction, went so 

far as to mention a list or conditions some of the nations might be 

·.suffering from without pointing an embarrassing finger ·at any, and 

With this list of conditions was a reconunendation that anyone having 

such symptoms should see the doctor without delay. 

He added that perhaps there could be a further list of conditions 

which we said are dangerous and those in these circumstances would be 

well advised to seek advice. He. said under the first list he would put 

such things as unenciphered code. In the second category h'' would put 

·such things as additive systems and certain cipher ma.chines, possibl~ 

without specifying which. 

Mr. Austin pointed out that such a list would include no correctives. 

He suggested instead that a book of 11health hints" be published and let" 

the patients take care of themselves. 

Mr. I lstat~ct~hat this was j'ust; ·'.what the British wanted to 

avoid in order to preventmuchmon:c:1~£ficult trouble in t)'le future 

because of "home cures. 11 The British wished-thepatient·t.o come to 

the specialist. /Eo ·3 : 3 ( h) ( 2 ) 

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Mr. Packard stated that from the intelligence p6irt.. of view it 

nn.st be admitted that it is wanteq. to cure only ce~iln people (NATO 

crurt rles) and th~ cure is not w.-1nted to be general (wa-ld-wide). We 

want.eel to have select i:ersonnel vjsitiri' the doct-cr. Privacy was of 

the essence. He noted that we were· in aereenent that th 03 e i:e rs om 

were dangero~ts er m:ight be dangP.rous ard that it was to our advantage 

to tave them corsult tre doctcr on the basis of their CMn desire. 

Dr. Shaw stated ~hat it we should only list the disease and not 

the cure in the fonn of minimum security standards the countries might 

look over the list anr\ say "It does not apply t.o us." 

6. The Chairman then proposed that sinciJ/ the outline was acceptable 

to the US that a small dratting committee be /appoint·ed to draft a final 

report, utilizing the reports of Subcommittees l and 2 and the British 

outline of an approach. ,ll. was agreed. 'fhe/drafting committee consisted 

of the following: I f Mr. }lackard (Chairman), · 

Mr. Austin. It was further agreed that oth'i'!r delegates might assist 

as required. 

7. The next. meeting or the Conf'3rence sitting as a. Committee or 

the whole was scheduled for 09001 Thursday, 11 June. The tim~ and 

date of the closing Plenary Sass.ion was tentatively Aet for 1500, 

Friday, 12 June. 

8. There being no further busines.s the meeting adjourned at 1200. 

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