DISPOSITION FORM 

SUBJECT 

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Comments by Mr. J'ohn H. Bovard on the First 

SCAG Conterence 

.Al'SA-0,3 DATE J.6 Ju'.q 1951 COMMENT NO. 1 

s. 1Cullback/6o2S6 

l. Mr. Zenner ot TeletJpe could undou~ be ot assistance to AFS.A in 

its program. When SO.AG CODSiders it desirable to exp8l1d its membership, Mr. 

Zenner could be CO:tJSidered. 

2. Without adequate means £or correlating masses or data 8IJd locating available information on the subject, the org¢zation is in ettect sutf'ering 

f'rom. loss ot memory. The general probl.em of dai:q hcdl 1 ng and processing 

rmr material is a subject which is under examination bJ' Al!'SA. Ve must not 

expect that such scanning devices will mcessariq replace the hunches and 

guesses of the c:ryptanaqsts. .An important aspect of the problem, or at least 

an important aapect ot the probl.a from AFS.A.•s point of view, is vhat to 

-=-~te end what to look tar, quite a dif'f'erence trom the •libr817"FObl..ela. 

3. Comments with respect to electronic rotors should have been anavered 

by the recent SC.AG meeting. · 

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Captain, u. s. l&VJ' 

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Mr •• Inbn H. Bnward 

18 JUN 1951 

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.I aa ftl7 thank.tul tor 70Ur letter ot 6 JW1e, md putiaul.arq pl.eased 

to learn ot ;your favorable reaction to the tlr.t 8CAG meeting. 

I haft made note ot ,our high opinion acnoerning Walt Zenner ot Tel-.,.Pe 

1n connection with printer•. I ehall diecu•• the poaatbili'Q' with Captain 

Wenger ot ut2 U ·~ ng hill •• ,ou auggeat. Prem what 70u have Aid, I agree 

that he mt.ght be ot real help in advi•ing '1•· I have .:L•o made note concerning 1Amner•a brother at Anlolll" InatJ.tl.lte who 111 the spert, on maenetic 

recording. 

Under eepante cover I am nturn.tns e8'Nral pamphl eta md :pa.para which 

70u llO kindb' eent. me. I have kept. the cow ot Mr. ColSDSD. 1 • talk on 

•m.eotroniae tor Bwdneea - Lllxury or leceaait.y?"• I :read hi• paper thi• 

JOOmina with cona.lderable interest and .allghtenment. JWv- thank• to 70u 

tor •min& mo all of that Mterial, 

ID order to tie in imw closel.7 the ocmmon 1nt.ereata of AlSA and CIA, 

I am arr&Qling to haft a pmnanent npreaentat1n from CIA .. t with SCAC. 

At thi• tJ.Jae, I do not. know who wlll be nadneted Iv' CIA, bu.t. I have .requeited that he bt teohnical.lT qualified to part.icipate in SCAG diacuaaiona, 

In order to get &arted on the group in SCAQ to tom a "Board~ 

Vi.ttora", I a eubmitting the no.cdnl.ika. ot leu' .Adlll1ral Joaeph L Redman, 

u .. s. llav (.Rert.ired), to the Chairman, leeearch and .Devel.opqnt Board, w:lth 

a request. that he be invited to 'bec(D8 a manbn.•.. I •hall mdea'VOI" aoon to 

·nominate 8aD.8 other m.9l to •rve 1n this cepacit;r aleo, and ft1'7 mch appreciate the list of namea 7011 previouel.7 •mt. ma. I do not bellen w 

will be ablo actu~ to organize the Board tor an inspection tour ot APSA 

while I lllll here, but I would think we oould get atarted an that matter 

earJ.y 1n the tall. In q- oaae, I intend to mmtian it tor dieaueaion at 

the next meeting ot SCNl. 

I IUll having .traota ot TOUl" letter ot 6 June t7Ped in order to diatribute the important idea• which ,you have presented to thoee pereone 1n 

AFSA who an 1n a poaiticn to consider ther.l .rioual.¥ with a Ti• to action, •• 11Jq be practice.bl•. -
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' I am looking tonrard to our next. SCAG .. t.t.ng1 which will be the lut. 

one I ehall be able to attend. I hope to baff SCAG .t.lraq establillhed ·-

&.tt.er that meeting and. th• u.riol.la mod>ere NIMV' to uld.et USA 1zi ftl'io11e 

important 11&1'•· I • eure that SCAO ia a w17 wort.hwhile idea lllld per- 80nall.7 have no doubt that i ta mmben will eontribu.te a w17 great deal 

1n the tutu.re. 

With all good w11he11, I rua1n 

Cow to• 

APSA-OCJ3 

EARL E. STONE 

Rear Admiral, u.s. Bavy 

Dinotor. Armed :rorces Seouri tr JgenoJ' 

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affecting the na i ithin the mean- ~he United States w • Laws Title 18, 

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transmission •r JD'3.nner 110 an 

its oonten~s in ~~ ~ pronibi''' "QD&u'\lloris•4 P•~• 

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Mr. -..,.s. nea- conlidel' wlt.h a 'dn to ~t• action, u _,. 

be pn.i:U.cabl.e ad deail'OJ.e. 

L ~UT ecmunte cm thl• m.\t.er to APSJr(Jl'Jf tw toOl'd1Aat1on, 

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EAR.tr B. STO?lE 

Rear Admirai, U.S. Navy 

Direotor • .Armed Jorcea Seouri t'J qenor 
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inme o, 1951 

idra1ral &.B. ltonol Dlreo~ 

AJ'aed 1orcee S•eur t.7 Apnty hpartmen't ot Det•• 

Vaahlngton 2,, D.c. 

Dear Admiral S"ne: 

I ..a\ to \hank JOU tor Monday 111d Tu•adaJ et trhia weak •• 

two da711 that 11111 be th• h:lghligb~ fl •1 lU"e tor •ny 1ear• 

io come. I bave alwqa been proud ot "a7 old outt1t•, bu~ aot 

•• much •• I •• \hi• week when the lmportan ce or t.h• work JCM 

are doln.& •• reatfinaed, and \be treaim:toua F•ll"••• J'GU ba•• 

-4• la ibe pan £n 7aara •• edd••• I •• partic:ularl7 lapreaaed. '-1 the pntMntatiODIJ \'ty Captain linger, Andy Gleaaon 

am Prank Raftn. I wu f'eartu.l before I came thatr t;.he addaory 

.-oup •i&bt be dittlcult ~o aanage because ot 1~• aixt;ure ot 

ag1neer{ngi mthe•tical and unapment peo~let. but lt. oenainl7 

veftt •ooth 1 and was one of the best -.nacaa attaira I ner 

att a11de4. ta any •••• I, 11110 might be expected \o be •omelila t -la•f, •• lmpreaaed and I know from pereonal report• \hat Mn 

auch •• JlcPher10n and Shannon 111Wr• oy .. wbelmed. 

A llUDlbC" et point• occurred to •• during ~he conference 

1:»ut I will llli'mt.1on on17 a few bare. I wae quite intere•'t•4 in 

Frank Ra'hn'• preaentat.ion on th• reoonat.ruc:t1on or \be p1..at.er eharaot,eriatic• aJad it• 'endenc7 to atut.ter. At that ts.me •1 

thou:;ht a tuna od to tlalt Zenner 01' Teletype Wio ..,robably lulowa 

aore abciut printer• than an7ono elee in ~e world. 

I believe that be ha• dea!cned and built literally hundreds 

of experimental print..-e et all 'tJP•• - wheel, baaket, ••ctor, 

•tc. I wondered U be 1111.chi not be ot real help in at.udytng t.h• evidence and helping rec:onatruct. tbe aot.Ual •chine. I 

1tel.1ew h• had a lot 'o do with the deaign arid produc\lon or 

th• 1.c.M. aid cnher uchi11•• ot •bi• t.ne 80 u ehould b• a 

nal expC'; on vired·llh•el clph.- ••chin••· In addition, be 

4•veloped man1_or the 11• Teli\ype product• in eperatian (much 

ae the Model 28 high •peed ay•t•) w ••ill under development {auch •• the \elet)'P8 tape ~ch Joe iachua ha• on loan t.bat ~hes 60 colunme par •ecoDd) • Coneequen~y 1 he mi,.tlt. be of 

real help in adylel.nc your aetlvity reaardtng ita .. ••iv• 

probl•• or intereepti~, torwrding, editing and punch1n& ~e 

large ••••• ot data into \ape• or ~·. 

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lenner J.llpreAes • ••having the 'YP• ot aiDd that would 

-.k• naturally_ ~o orypt;a.nalJt:lc probl••· I• i• •ore 0£ a 

plMnner and \hlnbr \haa a produc\1an ~ear. H• ued. 'o 'be 

the •iqtmer ot Product Dewlopment" <-• •• Chief ~ineer) 

1aut baa~·• promoted ~· a long-range planning .tob haTiiC tbe 

title •Development and fte•earch Consult.ant•. Mr. W.T. 00.ta 

(who 19 ebv1ou.e17 aore of a prodlletlon clrlv.-) ta a.Ott lngineor or Produot Development. !be •7 t read t.he aituatiOA at Tela• 

tne, Coe'• la ftl"J' bu•J and coUld.n.' t do a ~ob tor you.• eerea• Senner hale beai relieved ot moat admln!etratlve reaponeibilitJ 

act •i_Sl_lt. be Ir•• '° •pend ocn aider able t.1• cm J'GUI' ,rob1-•. 

Dav• Wblttlock know.a \he•• MD aueh bett.er t.ban I clo ud '::~ lllgbt wnt 'o \alk t.o ht.a - bu' I do know he baa a ftl7 

reprd tor Zermer- Incldentall7, Zaner'• brother i• .... an 

•t Armor Iutiiute "1.o 1• th• eq>ert on .. gnet1c recorclhg and 

'lllao •ipt. ae aa.ocla~ed with Pro.feet RCJUD. 

JIJ 8eeond JO!nt ha• to clo with mechanised aida tor the 

_.flliaatian, corralat!c:n, etorage and retrlenl of eryp'6nalrtio 

atl tatell1genc• data. I• hu aemed t.o • Cor eoma tliae 'hat 

here la a ne&Leoted area !.la miob real proarM• aight be made 

u.d lft 'Mh:l.ch powrtul t.oola tor uae both t.n APSA cd Cil llight 

•• d•Y•loped. I have been .follovin& ~· W4rk of Proteaeor Perry at KIT tor • number ot yeara alll I aspect but do not bow tor 

....-., that he la now mak1M a nu~ tor CIA reaarcH.ng aoding ac\ orpn1•at1on of iat,eU1pnca tiatormatian. He la aot atro~ 

•'ll mecliaD.i1at1on ••P•~t•l in ay optnlan, and I • •nder:lng tt 

USA ldgbt not take lh• nl~tatlv• ngardinf the d•velopment er 

•quiiment tor 'otb iieelt and CIA ~eeauee o ''• ~ experisace ta th• clevelo19ent ud procurement or •flUlpaent ot a a11:11lar 

nature. At. liiaat AF::>A •i&ht. otter it.• aervtcaa \o CIA la an 

advi•ol'J' 1apacit7 tr that ~cy lratend• '" launch irl"to a 

development program. I • ietn& frank w:ltrh J'°"1 ia tll1a aeeret 

le'tt-er lMcaWJe I r••ll•• JOU aay or •7 not '8nt ao t.o bring ~ i.bia 1Ubject. 1n the SCAG com1ttee beoauae or AISA<Jj. re1&\toneblpa (about mleb I lave DO bowleqe). 

Jn order that JOU and four at..££ u7 have u ldl& ot -.hat 

I MY• !ai •ind, I am eacloalng ~- reprlnte wbieh I would like ~o have .._turned when convent.m.. Paet, deyelop119nt• bav• followed along the l1ne• ot leport. (edge notch) a.ad IBM punched tard•, the luab Rapid seleot.or, the iRA Mlerotiba Jelector, 

CalYiD Ji'.ooer'• zato oodblg,_and -·· ,.etal I.at developaent• th•' I 'bellen Dr. ~- nu 1eon at oudlkeepaie. The latter 

•• ttp?nllOred bJ the All. Chem. Soctet:r Punched Card C•md.1;tee 

under Prot'call(I:' POJT7. (See pap 7'' ot enclosed reprint). I 

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llelioTc IBM hu t.hle development workilll! aatiataet.orily but will 

aoi -.Jte a aovo toward a.-mounclng it publicl7 or -.king the 

achlne• beoauM e.t their •pecial nature. A ••• releaae in th• 

Gbcmical and iDCX"• -· or Oct.ober )0, 1950, page 3789, aqa that ISM hae d•TOloped • new t.JPtl ot machine in conjuction td.th 

tlh• CGllli~t•e tor ac1ontil1o Aid• tor ~itarature aearehing,.~hat 

tt wa• hoped Lhat a cl•onatratlon WO\lld 1'e bald. 1aa OO'ober and 

that it would be ot ~"° 'JPt•I 1.e., (1) :Jearcbiq or published. 

paper• ud (2) ccri-elat1on ot data. I b.ar \hat a clo1e4 d•onnration w.a held l>ef'oro \he oom.i~tee \IUt ih&t IBM haan't 

lmdpd af.noe lMcauee ot poliCJ inYolYed. 

'lou 8J aot be clear •• t.o 11ba1- t.bi• illtot"mation atorage, ..-relation ud retrieval ha• 'tO do with AVSA•a p-obl•• la 

pa.eral ud t.h• ll&j er SCAQ problem in particular. I~ la 'hia, 

ill ay t.h1nld.QI:• Ae 1'fJUr' P!K>Pl• 1•t further ud further into a 

problem t.h•J accumulate a lai'p •••• of d.au, lntamat1on 1 lluachea, "buist• 1 Re. Mu.ch or 'thi• •&e• ot data i• UDOOlT•l•'li•d - ud 1' l• 'he paius of Hllleone like Frarik Raven that oan abeorb 

11\llt.lt,udlnoue i11c1den~aI ta.ct.a -- &Ike ahrewd &lil••sea and aomehOW' put nrlou:s apparctl7 urelat.ed pieoee or in.fonaat.ion 'optihor ud COJlt \IP with the -.n.s••r• Al wa •aw 'Ghe other da7, 

9Ytlll th• :ladividual eperat-!ng babit• or euem7 comnun1cat1on 

elem •1 be •tudied and u"d to advant•C•• I£ 7ou accept tbla 

•• a tab" 8'9.tement of the problem, then you -7 ••• .., iilt-oroat• 

!a ••Chanised •id• to belp with \bia proceaa - and present. JU.ftched oard ud electronic equipment JCN DOW have are ilot ap- propria~• tor thia job. I' ••• to u that thi• 1a a general probla11 facing beth A.FSA and CIA '1aat •ifht well be atiaeked 

a a brad baii• •1 SCAl'i ... t.he aathe•t oianl cona1der1ng aethoda tor ola .. t Ji.AZ and eodbg S..t.U ~ence 1af 0111at.1on 

(ad late- l~• •mi-m.itom.t 1c correlatiaa) and Ill• ez;acineera 

omlllder •1• et •echanisattori or iM proc••••• deYeloped tt1 

*he a\haat1c.ian•• 

I 110Uld like '-• potnt out th• lar1a aaount of work trhat. 

baa MC pl~ on in c.he library tield •1'-"C -.hi• line. b1'ortunat a11, it ia a ftr1' nr, cli.tticult Job to claaei!J' all 

lauun kaowleda• •• n M .brayel1 a\arted eut 'o do la ~h• luab 

tlbrary S.leot,or, but lt a&f be pract.ical \o cla••ify btelll• 

pnoe iag aboii't apeaiti• •1Pher aohine• and \heir v.aa&• tt1r 

ll"Jptrana1Jt1o pur~ea. 

117 'hhd poia~ ha• to do wi\b 'h• prol»la of '&he •leatronio 

rotor. I have thought uout •hi• probl• fer unr :rear• "1thout. 

-.ace•••· l haY• co~e t.o "11• eonclueton ttbat It~• rorce npre- HDt.at1on lw a 11000 point •trix (or •o) 1• a poor ar&d .fru.ltl.eaa 

aolu,1o.n. ? eouJ.da't '•11 tr«a the pr••entatlons t.he ot.her da1 

U U:J.. had &ot't an beyond tbi• point 'but I tlou.b t; it. Thi• la • 

•ltuation llh1oh aMd• a r•allJ' b.ot. idea ...... \he application ot 

90!!l8 phJldtal phonaesenon to •iliulate the Utlon or t.he rotor 

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tirec"1{• ?t till• i• a nal prohl• tar which ~ do not ••• 

a •01ut, oo •• 7at, I think lt. atght. pa.~ \o or-pirl.•e a ISJllPO•luaa 

ot 10 t.o Z0 trueted acieni.l•t• from Yariou• lMictcsrounda and 

deaortbe the ued tor high •peed rot.or• t.o them. such a diaeloeure need llot _&o 1D.to orntanalpia and •lot. b• kept on a 

CO?TFIDEmAI ... SECR~T level. MaJb• .... ~\he• un Will 

•raw en aome unrelated experience la atomo u.erg, eptiea 1 ld.crovan•1 etc. -- lar1d0 ,he_ pp and eome vp with a 11ew 

bae1e ooneepi. I doD•t. iaaw "'1dh•r I thlnk eo aw:h or ;h11 

l&at idea ltecauae 11i l• suob a pmble - but :Ll 'he eltuat.lm become• deeperat-e 1 it might. N worthwhile;. 

tincerel7 you.or•, 

/•/ John H. Howard 

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