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TRARSCBIPt al JBA CLASSinCA'l'IOJI ADVISCBf PAID. MFETIIQ 

29 JANUAR! 1954 

Declassified and approved for release by NSA on 05-14-2014 pursuantto E.O. 1352a 

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Ool. Campbell called the meeting t.o order. 

IR. CROSKERI1 I bave a n\lllber of re'Wiaions,but I don't have them -on paper. 

Yda can zrea.d tbea ott. We are t.7Pina t.b• up. It meam adding catSEC 1n a 

tcw places. I hoped to haft oura out eo that 70u could all aee tbemo 

COL. CAMPBELLt We hne a aeries ot queut.iona trom PROD mich can be added 

after we make 01ll9 detend.nation on these things, because the determination ~these things might anawr some ot PROD•• questlona. PROD tm.e coma up with 

a aeries ot question 'Whicb aN conm;ion eftJ'Jdq questions. I think w can 

amwer them quite readllT with this attar we h$.ve gone throu&b th~ other 

uteria1. 

Shall we proceed? Mr. 1'rie4msn ien•t in :yet!" 

A• you know, we had contracts with IBM tor computen during the war. 

DR. SINKOVs I wesn•t here during the war. 

!fi. CALLIMAHOSs That 111 tcr ~uii:-n\ oTer in Capt. Goodwin's shop miab 

vaa special.17 dneloped. How the contracts on those are unclaasitlecl, on 

the IBM eq\11.pment. 

DR. SINKO'ls U I understand correctq, these equii:aents were developed and 

later on IBM standardized on them and t>ut them into comercial iteu. Some 

ot the ~oint reseai-dl Wiich we were doing witl;l IBM has actuall.7 bea used 

bT IBM to impron its om i:roduct. There are 11011Mt of the 1tema in 80 midi 

wre epec1.al.1T built o1* ot DM ccaponents and which haft no uee anphere 

outside the Apnq. · 

I don •t think 70u co1lld make ~ general atatemn\ to cowr all theae apealal ite1111. . 

<X>L. CAMAtF.LLt The contract• new are unclaa.Ulecl. Some ot the old contract.• 

wnt back to 1946, 1947 ,1948, and 1949. Th9J' want to downgrade t.hea to mcl.$se1t.led.. The present. contract 111 unclaaaift.ed. 

Im. SINKO\ft We vou.1.d haw to examine caaes like tho8e on tbeil' mari'h lndiT.l.duall.T and make a decd.aion on eaah one. I don't think I could JUiee 8111' 

pneral deciaion~ I would. attempt, to eay that a great. m3o:dt7 ot those 

item haft no requirement tor cla•siticationo 

<X>L. CAMA3ELL1 They don •t currentlJ'. The present. contracts ~or the same 

equipmmt now are unclasaifiado 

DR. SINKOV't There 1e no reaeon tor tailing to declaasif7 the old contract•? 

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TOP SECRE;I, 
JR. SINKO'ls Wb7 •"7 l\t all about the old contracts? 

COL. CA."!PBELt.1 The tim still has the old cantracta. They haw to treat. 

them as classtn.d. IEM vanta to knock them out. 

DR. SINK<11t I think nK hae come dom on DUll81'0\18 occaslona. Th91' are ftr7 

oareftll· to adbere to all the requirements ot classitlcaticn that are pa 

upon ttam. ThlJ' are NalJ.etic enouab to realize that on eel'tein occunau 

80Jll8 ct these things nnd re-examination. 

COL. CMIPBELLt the contract• are the old cant:raote tor equ1pmen\ tha't are 

nov unclaaaifted. Their status ia unolaasit1ed. They are ~or the sam 

equipmeat.s that wen cla1sUled back in 19'.6 ,194?, 19/A, or 1949. There 

abould be no ob38ct.1on to ow- deol.aesitJS.ng those old contract• at thia t.t.me. . . 

DR. SINKOVt It would be a •817 etranae kind of abJeation. I clOn•t see how 

8UGh a thing could happen. I quite agne with JOU• 

OOLo OAMPBELLr In that case I don •t see 1da7 t.he Panel 1imntas to go throu&b 

these papen. It there is any- definite proof that these contract• ~ tor 

t)'e identical saJl8 equipiallh that are now unclaeeitied and are negotiated 

tor on an unclasaU'ied baaie, there 1a no reaeon wb7' the old contract• 

abcnal.d not be deolaasift.ed at thh U.. 

Di?.. SINKOVt I oertainlT agree with that. 

t-m. RE!HOLDS1 We should get back to the cletinit.ione 1n ExecutiTe Order 10.501. Occa~ there are contl.icta With the detin1tiona aa set torth therein. 

COL. CAMFBELLt What Dr. SinkoT wnnta to maka certain ot la that OYer that 

period or ;rean there ian 't eometblng 1n there which i• not now 1n the new 

contract, men a piece· ot the equi~ reterncl to is atill classitied. 

It might haw been taken out ot that setup and the machine modS.tled and the 

old piece ot par mi&bt. still be high1y claeaitlecl. 

DR. SINKO'lt Ewn though w can demon.st.rate that it would still in the true 

Mila• ot the 1IOJld be an old contract, it midlt include ecme intol'lll&tion lilicb 

O&\Bed it• claealtication the ti.rat title. U that has been Clld.tted, it. Jlli&ht 

result 1n a ditterenoe, bt.at I am sure thia kind ot exen1nation could ftPJ' 

11Jcel7 be made to det.eraine Wietber the present contract and the past contract ha'ft aey eaeent.1al. ditferenoea. Question• baYe been raiaed b7 IBM 

itself. 

COL. C.AMRlELL1 These vere tor electronic component• and machine aenicea. 

The tact that. we were nen 1n the business or eYen uaecl that. 't7Pe ot equip... 

mnt wa.a not to be known. Now we are using it and ew17one knows it.. Tt.T 

are CCllling up now with the old question of whether or not the tact that 

w haTe computers should be claeaifiecl. That was the basia on which these 

things were clasaitied.9 that we didn •t wa.S J>GOPl• to know that w were 

using mechani- of comput,er maciainea. 

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D'.1. SINKOV1 That paint ot view may have been valid at one time but it 

certainly ia not valid now. 

COL. CAMPBFLLs That was the baaia ot the classitication ot these papers. 

DR. SINKOVt That was the sole basis. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 The tact that we even use mechanical computera was classitied. 

DR. SINKOVi It is taken tor granted now-a-days in any b\lsineae that does 

more than $10 1000 """rth of business a year they are going to have scma kind 

ot autanatic ottice equipment tor statistical purpoaea. That meau either 

Im or Remingt,an Rand and that tact, in known. 

Mr. Friedman entered the meet.ing at 0845. 

COL. CAMPBELL: We have passed out the pa.per to eTeryboc:V. Do you want to 

carry on from tbereZ 

MR. mIEDMANs I would rather somebody else did. 

COL. CflMPBELLt I thought the best wq to attack this was to BP down the list 

stnrt.ing with the highest claaeitication and to proceed through the items and 

get agreemct on them. You will notice that we haYe put notes on some of 

them. Is there anyone 'llilo objects to that procedure~ 

:.:n. REYNOIDS1 It ie a good irocedure o 

COL. CAM:l"BELL1 The first one ia the Top Secret Codeword, Special Intelligence 

Product. I think that need• a little further amplification. Am I correct 

or not.? 

DR. SlNKOVt It is a question ot .the term. The term "Special Intelligence" 

ia the term that was 1111ed in the early editiona ot the BRUSA Agreement.. 

That term ·hae since been changed. We Tery seldom now talk about Special 

Intelligen~. Now we talk about. COMINl' erd product. I think it is just a 

matter ot clal"itying the tem. I pereonally :r:reter COMINl' end p:ooduct. 

MR. FRIEDMAN I Crypt,o intelligence ia in the BRUSA Agreement. I don Vt think 

it baa bem confirmed ;vet, haa· it? Legal.q speaking until that new agreanmt 

ia ratified by the two Board.a this ia still the word. 

COL. CAMPBELL• You are tallc1ng about this paper. 

DR. SINKOVt Thi• was discussed last March at the Planning Conterence. 

COL. CAHPBELLa There baa not been final action on 'those yet 1 on the pa.pare 

coming out ot the Planning Conterence last spring. 

DR. SINKO\' c Thie ia only for guidance. 

MR. FRIEDMANt Put ~ in parenthesea. 

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on. SINKOV1 Use "WOrda that our people are tsmil.1ar with. nspeclal crnJto" 

ie a Jiirase we seldom uae. 

::m. FRIEDMAN 1 There are onl1' a few people in the whole organization wbo 

know that.o 

IE. SINKOVa There 1a 0118 additional. point about this that I think should be 

made. It im•t true tbat all OOMINT end JS"Qduct., all Speed.al Intelligence 

product is Top Secret. We haYe 'b7 asz'eemlllt w1 th the Ult an arrangement 

merebJ' certain speclalq liated 819tema mutual.11' agreed on can be downgraded to Secret., so that a blanbt statement that COMIN'l' en4 iroduct 1• 

Top Secret Coc:lewrd is not bJ' it.a.it an accurate atat...- o 

!-'R. RBDOIDS1 Aren't 70u a lot. eater in wording it to arriw at. eome 'eort 

of guide here, to mke a coinent to the effect, that COMIHT end pR"odUDt 1 exoeii' as spedft.ed by agre .. nt will be lower, but a• a' rule it will be 

Top Secret? 

COL. C/\MfBELL1 A piece of intel.llgence product would not be codeword 1t 

it did not. rewal your aoUl'"ce ot infol'ma.tion. 

OR. SINKOVa It ie Spec1al Intelligence in the meaning or those words as 

defined in the BRUSA Agreemmt, in the·q>MINT end iroduct. 

COL. CAMFBELL1 Would 11COMINT end ia-oduct" be the better wozads to use heN? 

DR. SINKOVz I think eo. Not all COMINl' end p-od.uot is Top Secret Codewordo 

MR. FRIEDMANr Aa to Special Intelligence product that 1a Top S.oret Code-- 'NO~ca That according to the current agreement is the top moat leftl of 

COMIN'l' groduat. 

DR. SINKOV1 The agreemnt incl.udee the tact that the t'WO centere can and 

do by regular agnem.e& maint.a1n a list of specially eelected a;vatema. 

ltt. PIUEDMA1b Are you eire that one 1a ratit19cl? 

DR. SINltOV's We bring the list. up to date ewr,r mont.b. 

MR. .PRIEmtAH 1 Then this has to be changedo 

DR. SINKO'l1 Along the llm• that 7ou haw all indicated lllhat I think we 

are required to sq ias COOH1' end product., except sueh as b7 mutual agreement w1 th OOHQ ie Secret Codeword.~ is Top Secret.. It ia all Top Secr.t 

unl.eaa it baa been apeo.1~ listed and b7 mutual agre .. nt we haft agreed 

that it. will be SeCNt. 

COL. CAi'!PBELLt When we get down under Secret Codeword we try to 1dentU, 

those areae. 

DR. SINKOVa Special lists are keJJt, ot those exceptiom. 

COL. CAMPBELLs Where 1n ?EA? 

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1-lt. FRIEDMAth Thie subject is one which tauld be ot conBiderable intereet 

to the securlt7 tamd.ttee ot usam. Did YoU ask Mr. Douglas abol& it.? Thia 

tb1ng that ve are going to talk about on the libole t1rst page would be of 

inter.et., would haw to be exa•inecl bT the Securit.7 Ccmnit.tee. 

DR. SINKOVs Appendix B of t.he UIC/U9 Agreement. deal9 w1tb Dl8J31' COMINT ad>3ecta. 

COLo CAMPBEi.Ls We are going to submit this paper to USCIB. The DU-.ctor has 

agreed on tbato 

loo 2? 

D..'i.. SINJCOV1 No. 2 1a much too broad a statement, to sq that all c~an~c 

and other processes peculiar to the production ot Special Intelligence are 

Top Recrat Codeword. Making a frequency count. on the number ot letters in 

a message is a CJ7pt.ana~1c process which is peculiar to the production ot 

CO!Urft. We can read aboUt that in the magazine aeotion ot the StmdaJ' newapaper. 

COL. CAMPBELLs When J'OU aq cr,yptanal.Jtic J'OU might be talking about 

rewal.1ng the auccesa er JJl"Ogreaa ot the process. You are tikina out. "proceasi~" 1 aren•t 7CN ? 

Ia. SINKOV: We r.-J.ght be talking about the prooeaa itself. There are m.8D.J 

proaeasea which by thellMlT•• do not j\18tif7 a high classification or tor 

that matter don't juetif)' 8J11 claaait1cat1ono I agree that 1t it indicatea 

success, certainlJ' it 1e Top Secret Codaword, but the atate1D111* 1• much too 

broacl. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 You war& to tab ao ort eS.1N.17 and add "wbieh 1ndica.tea 

succes•" to loo 2o Progress mid£ not necessariq be ceyptanalJ'tic. It 

might not. neceaear"!4r be Top Secret Codeword. 

r.ta. FRIEDMAls I would quarrel with the gramnar: Cr.rpt.ana.1.Jt1c and other 

processes peculiar to the !S'oduction ot Special Intelligence which reveal 

success o That doe an •t make too much senae. 

DR. SINKOV1 The point haa been made. I m not sure whether this 1• th• 

exact wording tor the aentence. Should we take up the editorial ptiaaee 

at this ti• or ·Just the claasitication2 I am not eUl'e that we need tbia in 

the tirst place. 

Ml. FRIFDMANs We might aa well finish the thing here and now. 

DR. SINKOV1 A V-JP~1c irocesa 'lllbich 1• indicatiTe ot specific aucceaa 

requires the clase1ticat1on ot Top secret Codeword. 

~m. CALLIMAHOO 1 Specific eucceaa. 

:m. FRIED~.N I You td.11 have to put that in. 

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COL. CAMPBELL a How nbciut Cl'Tpto syateme used by other nations? 

MR. FRIEDMAtb What ware trying to do is to cover caeea 'Where let us sq 

Lowr Slovenia uses Pr.AIFAIR and we are auoessfdl. in handling the thine. It~ be that mr7 cbv the tbing changes, so that the information in :ltselt 

1a not high11' olaasitled but the tact that Lover Slovenia i• uing PLAYFAIR 

and we are eolTin& it. 'WDuld be llhat we want to pl'Otect.o 

DR. SINKOV'1 Thia in a •••e ia a general guide to the people in the. ma:tt.er 

ot classitlcation. What we are tr;ying to do 1e to gl w them some guidance 

to answer q•stiom. Reference to crnitan~c processH requiha Top 

Secret. Codeword olaas1tication. 

COL. CAMPJELLa This 1e a combination ot youra. 

DR. SINKOVa We have to re}T on peoples• judgment. In stating guides we are 

not going to be able to spell out ewry conaideration we haw to introdue1. 

These are the main Jrinc..1..ples. I think th•' •••~lltial principle 1• that 

8fl7 ceyptanal;rtio proceaa mich permits us to eolve comnunications ot 

other nation• must be classified Top Secret. 

~·ut. FRIEDMAN: You are going ~ackward again. Mqbe we ought. to have a cow 

ot the BRt.BA Ai;rHmmt and look at the de.finitiou the;r give there becauu 

tbq talk about. hi&h grade, low grade, etc. That ia what we v:lll haw to 

•• in here. 

Here w have Cate81D17 III. It is that COMINT tor which the protection ot 

uource or content. is the overriding consideration and which must, therefore, 

be giTen the highest degree ot securit7 protection. In general, it will 

includes Crypt Intelligence except. that specitical~ included in other 

Categories, Special Weather Intelligence, Trattic Intel.ligmce inwlving 

call-sign• or message headings encl':f pted in codes or ciphers ot high 

security gradinp as epecitled and mutually agreed by USCIB and LSIB, and 

othlr Trtlttio Intelligmce as specified and mutual.11' agreed by USCIB and 

U>IB. 

DR. SINltOVa We have the problem of reading Slovenian PLAYTEX. It permit• 

the dovngra.ding to Secret Codeword of those low grade eysteim which are 

uaed tacti~ and those 'lldlieh are operational in charaotero In order to 

avoid the irobl8119 1nc1d.ent upon ua, 70u list Top Secret Codeword intorma= 

tion in the forward area. That is what the epec1.al list. 1e all about.. It 

takes care ot the low grade 97atema, PLAYFAm and all ot thoaeo 

OOL. CAMPBF.Lta law about the training aspects ot these thinp? 

DR. SINKOV1 To tr,y ~ spell out the second point, in such a way that it will 

be perteot.17 clear "llilat you mean is going to be ex.t:rem~ ditficulto Th• 

whola probl• 111 ao broad. You have c~aml.7tio proceesea which are 

apnllcable to the method ot 110luUcn. By virtue ot the tact that tbq 

TOP 
are Terr w1de]1' known, the;y can't be claaaitied •ery high on their own 

meritao 

Ma. REINOLa!t What w haYe to include 1n here I think ie lilhat. the Dil"ectol" 

w said w should r.rotect. am that 18 mat we are able to read and bow we 

are able to read it o 

COL. CAMPBELLt That ia lllhat I g»t tram Mr• Friedman' a 1'811U"D • The system 

itaelt 1• not eo important as the tact that we are able to take foreign 

coDIBUllicationa 1n that 8J9t.e• and read thllll from dq to dq. That 1$ '4lat 

h• ia trJing to pritect. 

DR. SIHIOV1 What we are t.rJing to protect i• the wq we can read them and 

how n can read tblll. That 1an •t an OTe~plif1cat1on. Suppose wa are 

now talking about one ot the techniq\19a along the line. Thie technique 

by lteelt Id.pt be aamtbing "h'f7 elementa17. You wuld ha• to realize 

that we don •t alw&J'll talk about thinp in complete tom. 

!~ REINOI.mt There 1s the tact that you. are able to read a part.ic:ular 8J"•t.•. 

DR. SINKOVt You are diacuaaing ceyptana]1tic procee•••o 

COL. CAMPBELLa Could we qualify Noa 2 by adding to its ~ic 

proceana 111hicb 111111 mable us to read cert.a.in foreign vste•? Howeftl"• 

the teaming of tbat process b7' itaelt without. conmctlnc it to intelligenee 

would bear a loWer cluaiticationo That ia what )"OU are tl'J'ing to do. You 

want. to be able to teach some ot the at.utt at much lower leftl than you would 

it ~u turn uouncl and uae the 11811le s;yat• with intelligence tacked on to it o 

DR. SINKOV1 Let. me foOUll on the point of Tiew that you are bl*1ng1ng to it. o 

I look at. this gulct. that w are drav1ng up as a document which the people 

throqbout the Agenq will have available to theao. We might. be writing 

about haw we made a digraph or trequeD07 distribution to enable ua to 

eolw scm import.ant 979tma. AU we might be writing aboUt 111DUld be the 

d1grapha and freq•DCJ7 distribution. Then we pick up the guiu and it 

asp that ~analJ'ic and other processes peculiar to the production of 

Special Intelligence haft to be Top Secret Codnord. Then we use that pide 

and proCIRCl to clas•ifJ' the description ot how to make the digraph mo 

f'Nqunq dietrlbut,ion Top Seoret Codeword. That ia not riitito 

That. cla11s1ficat.1on is int.inl.1' inappropl"1ate tor the particular itelao The 

baaio r.rinciple of classification 18 that a piece ot paper haa to be c-l.uaitied on 1ta o.a merit•. The mere tact. that this procedure hawena to be 

used in oonnecrUon 'With a Cl'J'Ptallal.Jtic solution doean11t atteot the claaaiticMon • We mi&bt haft other factors which we wculd have to talce into 

accounto 

COL. CAMPBEi.Ls It might. be Top Secret. or awn Top Secret Codeword depending 

on its speoitic applioationo 

DR. SINKCN1 I h&TI one CClll'ft8Dt fl'olll the people in 06 which 1411, nw. 

oonaict.r this much too broad and the question i• incapable or bJting spelled 

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out. Thst 1a the 9917 broad Ylew ot it. You can see 'What. 1c1nd ot con~ 

tbe7 haw. In talld.ng about cr;yptanal.Jt;ic processes, 70u haw to haft 

same k1n4 of a definition ot when and ~ it needs to be Top SeoNt.. 

MR. CRCSIF.a?1 Hov abcut add1ng1 Which 1al1catea success on a particular 

foreJ.an 11J8tell? Then ·ewr;,tbing elee would be taken C&N of. 

COL. CAMP8ELL1 The teclmiq111 1n 1 t.eelf need not be Codewolod. The technique 

could be Cod8V01'4 or it coul.4 haw its own epecUlc application. 

Ht. FRIEIJtf.AJlt What is Vl'Ong ~h tiult the book eap now? A11a1an 1\ to a 

OOMINT cate&017. · 

CX>L. CAMPBELLs lloo 4 takes eama of tbo&e up. Tr~fic Intelligence in-.olnng oal1·•1&n• or mssage head1nge enc17P'ed 1n cod11 or cipbera of high aeCUl"it7 

grading. 

DR. SINJCOV1 The wq the book haa it now, there is nothing wrong with the 

statement of principle with reapeot to classification ot COON!' end product,, 

What we are t17ing to do here 1a to aee it put in a brief Ht ~ rul• tor 

the people thft>Vsbout the Agen07 to guide tma. Untol'tunateli' thia happen• 

to be a. aubjeot that doaan •t eaail1' lend itself to abbrmationo We could 

take the contm of Appendix B. There wouldn.Ot be any problem. 

ltl. FRIEDMAJh I didn't read that. I am loold.lrg at it nows Aasi&nment. of 

COMIHl' to categoriea1 In ass1gn1ng CCMIN'l' to a cateaar.r, the tollowins 

general criteria will be oonaidereclr The intelligence Tal.ue of ita content. J 

the d1tt1cult7 of solut.ion or intercept to includes Senaiti"fitJ' of techniql.9• 

emploJ9d 1n solution and exploitation; Senait1Yi.t7 ot source ot intercept; Inter-Nlatiombipa between ceyptographic 979teme. 

DR. SIRKOYa All thoee things come 1n to t.bi• 1 70u aee. · 

lJR. FRIEDMArh In tr,r!ng to abbl'enate here we are get.ting .owselw:s 1l'lto · 

d1ft1cul\7. 

OOL. CAMPBELLs I think we are doing more than abbreft&ting. I th1nlc we an 

tr.Jing to elaborate on some ot thoee thinga whiah are rather broad 1n th--

Ml.... I t..houal* w were tr;v1Dg to elaborate rat.her than to abbNYJ.ate. 

~m. FRIEJJ.Wf1 So tar I donllt t1nd the elaboration. We m1"1t do it by way of 

tootnoteao 

Q)L. C/.MF9ELL1 We did t.hato These are the things that were aubmitted by 

other people,the th1np "11oh were ali>ml.ttecl 1n tbe past. three lllOl&ha. we 

haft addecl a few footnotes Vier• w tboV&b' 1n itself it waan•t quite 

clear. I think the onea we an t.alJd.ng about came r1"1t out ot J!RCI>. Hoo 2 

d1d. 

:.m. DENSMtftEt We dldnOt aublit ~ like that.. Our proposal vaa to 

consider the quest.ion ot iGether w were going to be able to come up vitll& 

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8fl1 concrete guide 11nea. w. wound Up b7 1apng w didn't think we ooulcl. 

Dll. SINKO'ls We :ln o6 h&Ye considered the wbole em.1eot. ot claaa1ticat1on 

ao dltt1cn4t t.hat we ban tal.Jold abo\lt appointing w1tb1n t.he ottioe a 

apeoial 1nd1 'tJ.dual to handl.• it. 

MR. CAU..iMAHCS1 Ci7J:*anal.Jt1c and otbe:r prooeaee• peouliar to the production 

ot Special. Intelliceace. 

MR. DEllSM:lm1 That la out ot the SecuritJ' Manual. It ia not our inlormat.iara. 

we uaecl lt aa a po11* ot reference upon .Cich we made our oolJlll8nt.a. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 Wbat the Senrit.J' Manual baa now ia ca\9ing us more trotl:>le 

tbara 1t we took it 01*. We would be betteit ott moat HJceltr. What is wrong 

with the ¥q JOU put 1\? 

DR. SIJIOOY1 I think it could be pUt :ln a form which migbt be aatiatact.o17 

80 loas •• J"'>U •tJ'e•• t.he intel'Z'9latioDlb1p betWMD the c17P'aml.Jtie proGe•- in J')V d1e0111s1o1& on OOMIHr IRlCC•••••· Failing that, it tbat. 

interrelatiolllhip un•t, indieated, then 70U ba•• a Tf117 dittioalt. p:rabl• 

ot claasitiaationo · 

MR. Rl!NOLD81 It would not IMt OOd9WOl'd neceal&l"il.l'. still it lCNld haw to 

tit the definition of claaeitication which ha• be• pronm" sated. Some ot 1\ 

might.. well be unalaeaitied. same ot it ml&bt be Confidential and some ot it 

Jd.gbt, be Top Seoret. 

DR. SINKOV1 'there an generel Jrineiplee that we haYe to ap~ to •Yer.Phinc 

we do. The point. ot this JBP'I" 1• that it ia intended u a auid• OYer and 

aboTe the ..-ral g\licle• tor claaaU'ication 1'N.cb ,,. to aamt the people in 

NSA in being able to determ:iM 'When a piece of papeza needa olaas1f1cat1on 

and mat cla•alft.oat.ion. 

DR. smovs I .. readJ" to aq that 1t w incl.um tile thought, that the 

cr,rptamli'bio P"OC.•• 1;bat. 1a being cU.ecaaaed muet be diecuseed in connection 

wlth 1ta prochtot1e auccese on foreign CGIJllUldcat.ion8, then we are in the 

coclMlm-4 field. Unless J'OU inllff't that 1 it 1a ftr'T ditt1cult. 

COL. CAM·fBELLt Will 1'0U b\V' tbat, Sill? 

m. FRIEDMAJ11 lo, I aa tl0n7· I haft been 1ooldna at. thi• thin& l!ttit. be 

"411 talkiq. I conte•• ngd.n that I don •t know wb7 w b8ed thia. We are 

pttiq our•el.YH in bot water. People i.w bHD troubled bT thi• t.hiag 

tor a long U.... · bar7 weird in the t.ld.rw h8ll been carefUll.7 wi&bed. I 

ate.rt right ott with the WJr7 tint paraarapb, Speoial lntellipnce product.a 

Then I timl 8'Pelt 1n hot. water 1'1gbt oft beoawse it. asp here that it. 18 

Top Seoret Codewol'd. Special. Intelligence product., when we read that w f1ncl 

that t.he:re are two categori• ot COMINT which requ1re codeword rroteotion. 

What we ue doing 1a at.tempting to duplicate what i• in here. 
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Let this stand aa the auth0l'1Z94 Ho]3 Bible and "Whereftr \we think we haTe 

to spell it. out. a little llOH 1n detail, we can. :t.t•rs ae;r, tor example, 

that 1t w adopt t.hh, we don't need paragraph ,1. We don(lt need paragraph 

2. A• tor parapph 3 1 I wonder about RUmD at.anding alone. 

00. SI!ICO'lt l would lib to tosa the thouaht 1n that cr,y~anal.Jtic abort 

t.itl.n 'b7 th-.elwa ha• to be Top Secret Codewordo 

Mt. FRIEtMA N1 It aa;,a two OI" moreo 

DR. SIIKO'lt The 1Gole ditterence ia 1n the lewl betWHn ourael.'l'H and 

~. What. is oodeword aboqt, l"RDAW? 

COL. CAMPBELL• I ~an•t bu1' that. I dongt agree with tbia one\ either • 

. When 70U add the worda "t'ND or more" , liltn J'OU ha•• mare than <me rqstem 

and ft:N. mmtion ebort titles, thi• o=e out ot the book againo \ We •aid that 

it must mean when -,.en haw more than one and ita aaeociation with a short, 

title, when 70U take om thing by itself, 1 t has no cl.aae1t1ca.tion. When 

J'OU are talking about the tield act1Y1tie1, 70u talk about NSA, \Europe, in 

the cle&ro When J'OU sq NSA, Far Ell.at, and NSA, Ala8ka.1 &Ad J'OU\ giTe tt. 

location, it has a cl.aasit1cation because again we are 8howing the netwoa. 

'nlat 1a 1ilat we thought thq meant here. The 11t'NO or mo:roe \IQfda"\ was added 

by me. These thinp he:l'e are n<* wsr one particular person'~ ;ideaa. TbeJ" 

a1"9 juet what we have gathered up and we are throwing the 1n to you people 

to accept them or to knock tbtm °'*• lobod7 bas an.v- brief tor &.JV'\ part that 

ia in h•re. 

m. SinKOVs We re tor a maber ot 

r-:R. CALLIMAHOSt That 1a the wq it atanda now. 

DR. SimtOit I think that is the tresent rul•• 

OOLo CAMPBEu.s We will take ito Put that down as Seer.\. 

MR. DE?e*EEs How about the man at tho working le"91? 

COL. CAMEBELL1 The a.n.ral baa maintained that abort titles lbould be unolaas11'1ed. The ~ ot abort UU.a ia to permit J'OU to be able to 

talk fnel.7 about 80m8thin&. The person haa to haw knowledge or the abort 

titl•*e meaning to know mat ;rou are talking about.. 

MR. CROSKERY1 W'e could he.Te a oon90l1d&ted l18tifi& at.' acmetbim lilm that. 

Ml. CALLI.MAHCS 1 RUFF doan •t mean anJt.bing. It YO'l sq that. 70u are reading 

RDRD, thnt meana BOIDlthing elao. -

nn. SINKCWt The probl.ea becomu imolnd in this 1enae. It you underetand. 

our syata of ccyptana~c abort title• and you aee a lonr, list 1 then you 

oan begln to appreciate that we are gping to han to diat,inguilb between 
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Ucm lritO a maabir olt«Jij::t ::i.c: :::kwe~ tbJ~ aom .=:~ Thi• might p&"Oduce a Ye17 specift.c break, mt it require• an undemanding 

ot a great deal about tbe ayat-. we haft ngreecl 1n actual ~actice that 

Seoret 8Mllll to JS'()Tide all the 1'J"Otecticll J'OU Med. 

MR. CBOSDR!' 1 One or more. 

DR. SINltOV: InclependentlJ' ot. WheN JOt1 haft eelt-eT.ldent teature•t llhot't 

titl .. with Mlt-eftdent teaturee, then I =::~~wnd that tbQ' be collp].etel.1' unclaealft.ed. Where 70u ha~ _____ there 1a no reaeon fCfl" 

olaallitying it unless 70u write down the ta ~ t. 

COL. CAMPBELLs You wnt the to put down that C171*~ic ehort title• 

in10lring t1110 or more ia Secnt2 

MR. DENSMCftEs Unless 70U can produce detJ.nitiOllll down at th• llOl"ldaa lewl, 

,ou are n~ gal.q to do ow peopl.9 much good. 

m. SINKOV1 U we accept. AppeacU.x B a.a a gaide tor claeeltioation or 

certain parta ot it, w OQ!l make the neceseaey arrang.-a tor dieHlld.nation 

of that. "rbat 1a 0\11' tbOQSI*. 

MR. FRIEDMANs I don •t know bow one wculd al.&eeltJ' extracta of th1• t.blnao 

Here ia a Top SeOl"et Codbord doCU&leS and we want. t.o tab out the det1nlt.1ona 

M categorl• and that intonaaUona Wouldnllt that mean that this guide tllOUld 

be alaselt1ed Top Secret Codlwol'd? 

DR. SimtOVs We haw to go back to the standard principle. The mere tact. 

that J'OU are extracting ecmeth1nc from a doCWJl9Dt of a certain claea1.f1cat1on 

doeanllt. require that the extract be ot the ea. clasalAoationo It baa to 

be laid on on ita om merit• o Thi.8 doeen•t call tor u h1ah a claeslfication 

ae the original doc1118nt. 

cm.. CAMF9ELL1 That is om of t.h• questions that the people haw ukecl. 

MR. FRIEDMAlh I 8JI just considering 1n 'fq own m1nl what, I wuld claael1)' 

an ext.ract like that.. It it ie clase1f1ed Secret, it. would be much easier 

to use than 1t it 1a claelifted Top Secret Codeword. What 70U want 1e a 

guide, BOD111tbi17c ~u can hand around. 

Cot. CAMFBELL1 Right. What 70u want to do is tU. the gllide 01& ot the 

l:RUSA Ageanent and elaborate on eome ot th• pointa Wilch w are now 

bringlng up. It couJ.d well be added to tboae pe.na. I V01ld like to get 

70ur idea• on these thinga, mat we will keep, what 8bwld be changed, aid 

how n oan add to the, to the ewer-all guide which BRUSA haa lald down. 

MR. PRIEDMAN1 Wherewr I mUld select, eomthing to qUote, I would Olllt 

MJ' reference to USCIB or ISia and mai. thi• a Director, RSA, documnt. 

OOL. CAMFBELL1 It we do that, we can pick tha out as our OMD. we. might 

rephrase them a bit so that thq don't soum like a lift out of the'document. 

That would p:oot,ect. the~ ~ 

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MR. P'RIEDMA?h That ia a &OOd wq ot doing it. You will note that C&tego17 

Ill CQUNT come• t:t.rat. Tbat i• at the l.eftl. 7ou would e>epOClto 

DR. SIRKOVt In the Mrl.7 dq9 in the dratting ot this paper Cateaor.v I vu 

the highest. Por eome reaaon it got. rearrangedo 

Ml. FRIEDMAllt I can tell you ~ it got rearrangedo Let'• suppose it wu 

the at.he- liq 8l"OW'lido The hia;best. lewl is Categor,r I. The: lowat lewl 

ie O&tego17 III. It tbe tellov ie indoctrinated tor Categor,r III onl1' ,he 

eqa, nnua ia Categoey III. There must be two higber ones." We wanted to 

di•guise the tact that there were otbel' categorlea. We turned it aroum. 

COL. CftMPBELLt He might sq., "There lll\l8t be more or 11117 number it..n 

MR. CROSJCEm:t Snen is the higtwat Coimmld and One ie the lowest Cormand. 

DR. SINKOV1 At a later date we might get into eYen higher categories than 

we b&Ye now. It one vaa the hidteat, there wouldn't be rooa tor a top oneo 

OOL. CAMPBELLt We haw knocad o\& Ko • .30 Whateftr we do here todq ld.ll 

be reconaolldated and nnt to you tor oontirmation. We will attemp4; to do 

at that titne what Mr. Friedman suggested, l1tt the th1nge out ot the BRUSA 

Agreement and tag on 80lll• ot these tbinga to tbe11l ao that we may all ban 

allp].it1cat1on ot the aeneral rul•. Right? We will ende&TOr to reconeolldate thia arr! •end it out. to J'OU again. We will aend the thing bade 

for concurrence. It there 1a no d1aagreemct., then we won't ha.Ye to meet 

again and !U.Jbe w COQld ld.nd it up that wq. I know that that 1a Tef7 

opti.Jlhtio. 

DR. SINJCOV1 Since we are maJd.r2g such •low progreaa, I don't wa!& ;you to 

think that we are ju.at trJ'ina to be contenUou a.bou.t th• mat.tero The 

whole subject 1a a Yeq ditticult one. BecaUH there 1• considerable concern 

in ditterent direct.ions, thia 1• not going to be eaaily aettled. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 That 1• one or the reaeODI w1J7 I wanted to ban eomt guide 

line 10 that it would help •TeJ70!18 to do eome thinkin1. 

:.m .. CROS!ERY& It 1a not. all-incluaiw. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 We got a request tor orders the other dq to send a man OYereey to NSA, Europe. It waa claeeitied Top Secret Codllword. There waa no 

codeword in it. The end reeult of hi• Tiait, for the TD? ,will probabq 

wind up in codritord. YoUZ" people OYer there stuck the code word on it. 

DR. SINKOVt I 1110uld be the ~person to •q that there 1a a lot of 

oYer-Clulliticationo 

OOL. CAMPBELLt I don't think thq do it will.7-~. They are doing the 

b9st thq know how to do. It there ia &n1thin& we can do to help tha, 

that 1a what we lll"e teying to doo 
COL. CAMPIELL1 can JOU accept. Hoo 4? 

MR. FRIEDMANt Cit, BUN. 

DR. SINKOV1 Th• Apped.x glTa eome appna:lation ot what we mean by cod•, 

ciphes, or high eecmiitq grading. Here the phrase doesn't tell the et.o170 

Appandlx BP• into tbe descri~ion ot what ldlda ot code• and c:lphera are 

IDl.d9. 

Kt. PRIEIJfARs That waa aopied d1rectl.7 from here. 

Im. SINKOV1 Xn a pd mBft1' caae1 7°'J. are ping to ba'N to depeld on the 

good ••• and Jmgmmt ot the peapl9 wbo are JM&tt.ing the olaaaiAcat.ion on 

theee thlnpo 

COL. CAMPBELL& We could aapllfr "hiab aecur.1.tJ' grading." Does that neecl 

amplUication to underatan4 'What you mlNUl by h1&b eecurit7 gr&liq?. 

m. SINKOVa lt does, but I aa not sure w want to ff) into tbat. 

MR. IRIEDMA•s I was thlnJd.ng about that being the place to add, after 

cradlng, a imru• acmtbing 1J.U thlaa All detel'l!d.Md bJ' th• CJaiet ot 

Claseif:l.cation, Ottice of Production. U 70u pit; one pel'8on in who baa 

the author1tJ" to aq, at least J'OU will get acme edlenoe of homopneit.7 

about. 'What 1a being dont. It nel7boclT bas to uae bis own JudlJDlllt, tlwn 

;i\:iu .. pt all ld.n4e ot mswen. 

Ma. CALLIMAHOS1 E'fw.Jtxt• has to olaaalt,r tb1np 1n the na• ot their 

Chief. 

mt. ata!JKERrt It 19 1lp to the or1g1nator. 

r.m. FRIEDMAN 1 I va1 t.hinldng about thia particular tbiag. ltJbo can bett.er 

deftne or a.-oifl that a certain qllli• ia ot a CC"t.aln clat1eiticat.icn? 

DR. SINKOV1 How about Just t.ba opposite approacb jut. like the one we ued 

on paragraph 1? Except fOI' t.hOll• which b7 apeoit.lc exadnaticn ha.Ye been 

glYell the lower claes1tication, and tbeH will baYe to be apecift.call7 indioated in a 11& 110maplaae. 

?ft. PRIEDMAls Tb.,. are all codes and ciphera. What i• wrong with ha.tng 

eomebod7 1n 06 reeponAble tor that particnalar? 

m. SINEOVt We haw alread;J' asked Mr. Denaore, who 1a an authorit7 on 

claaeit1cat1on, to anawer jut auab qu111tiomo 

MR. atmml's There are so 1Uft1' people involTed 1n the buaimu. HalV ot 

them mhould be qualltled to deter:d.M what the claeeitlcation should be 

rather than jut one 1nd1:tld\!.al. I liJCl9 the Doot.orf1e reading of 1to 

DR. SINIOV's 

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r-m. CROSIERYs One i9 c~anal.pia and the other ia trattic anal1'eia. 

MR. FRIBDMAlf1 Wh.1 not leaw it as it 1•7 Are w ha.Ting a geat deal of 

trouble with it now? 

COL. C:.MPBELL1 No, I don't think 10 .. 

Ill. CALLIMAHOSt Let. 1s leaw it. Trattic Inte1.l.ipDoe inwl...tng oall-eip 

vUl be in tha Top Seoret Codevo:rd lewl unle'e •peo1fted otherwile in 

••p&l'flte liata. Tbm oUI" people won•t be 1n ipol'ance. It thQ' dcn't knollf 

ather it 1a Top secret Codeword, th• tbq can ao to the u.t. 

DR. SINKOV1 Jmt put an addition on tro. 4 without ADI' change ot phraaingo 

We are talld.na about the tact that "DJ' exception• wculd be listed aepa ratel.J', exce~ those 1ilh1dl are epecitic~ Usted aa Top SeoNt. 

MR. PRlEDMAN1 To tihat, does th• \IJOl'd "thcs•" refer? 

DR. SINIOV1 Except, thoN codes or cipher• 'Nhich are epecitioal.17 liet.ed aa 

Seeret CodftOrde 

OOL. CAMPBELL1 Noo S reada1 Trattio Intel.lipme irm>l'fing nob canblnation 

("fwlion") of Mparat. 'l'raftic Intell11111ce or ot.ber Secret CodMftn'd 10urce1 

ae proctuoes intcrmation whose ftl.ue 1• eo great. t.hat aecurit7 ot content 

becom• the ow1"1'1d1nc cona.iderationo. 

DR. SIMltOYs The reading out of Apptndlx B ia hl&hl.1' acceptabla o 

tl.R. FRIEDMAN r Y•• o 

COL. CAMPBELL& lo. 60 

mt. SIKKOV1 It .... to me that th11 plain languap 1taelt le cla1D1tied 

Top &toret CodllWOl'd.. That is re~ a corstradiat,ion. It dounllt, begin to 

real• an.r hi._. cla1Bif1oation than that um.u we haw dom 1ametbir11 

to it. We haft to haw it analJmed and naluated. 

r.~. FRISDMAlfs Tbat 1s treated in this documeat. Does aJVl>ody know the 

:reterenoe right, oft? 

MR. CRCSIW1 It ien•t the aot.ual plain taxt itaelt. It. 1s the intormati<i:Qo 

COL. CAMPBEU.t The process could result in Top Secret naluationo It ia 

not, Top Secret Codnord. 

m. SINKOV1 The reuon tor Codeword ia tld... Let ua aq that we haft 

Ruaeian Plain Text. We frequefttl1' eo11e upon proforma abbrn1ations and 

ether item of 1ntormat1on, speoial technical t_.. who• meaning• and 

identit1cat1om are to be mde aYailable as a result of CCMINT. 

MR. CALLIMAHt:S t We haTe the tUlion ot Plain 'l'axt and CClfllll'. 

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MR. FRIEDMAN1 This bleimss ot Russi8llPlain Text beibg\rated Top Secret 

w CodhOrd have about has c:; : t.he fact.·····tb············at !comes }'.:1"9t.t.y nearly all.· · .. .. ··... th···· ... • .. information .t"rcm thato It 1$ in\ there somewhere .. Thia wasn't 1 o • 

DR. SINKOYa The stat.anent 1)8ed9 IJOl'le moditication. W• ndght haTe 801l• 

kinds ot raw traf't1C Wieh &re ~Russian which in llOnle instances don11 t 

get a claeaitication Qt/higher than Confidential.. We b&ve plain text on 

I I 

COL. CA."!PBELLa We haft plain text in Cetegor.v II. 

DR. SINJCOV1 R~eian Plain Text is all nalue.ted. In anal7zed totm it ia 

classified Top Seqret. The majority ot it is. 

here needtl oiod1tication. Plain text which ia paassd on_ \ jand is 

If there .... no ether collllideratiom, It.hinlt I mu.et. potout t,!iat. tho. wording 

ot suah high intelligence value or seneitiYit7 as to re . e assignment to 

thia cla.ssit.1.oat ion, that 1a not correct. It ie the Top Secret Codeword 

intelligence that is deri wd from the atud7 and analJ81• ot it. 

MR. !'RIEDMAlh Yee, I think that is correcto 

Here wher. it talks about Catego h 4odo••.it S 81 

OOL., CAMPBELLt That 1a added 1n 6.ao 

fl.:to FRIEDMAN: It aeem to me that categoey III 18 wt we have in heNo 

W1l7 wasnWt it Utted out intact? 

COL. CAMP1£U.s We could take ~o ott and add it right to the paragraph. 

~.m. FRIEDMANi Plain-text which ia passed oQ :Jand is ot such 

high intelligenco Talue or aensitiT1t7 as to require assiiment to this 

Catego17. 

DR. SINKO\'z Cclalbine 6. and 6.a. into one statement. 

MR. FRIEl)MANt How ab<:Rlt paragraph 7? That ia a lilt out ~ here too. 

DR. SINKOVa The revelation ot BUocess again"t: \IDWSual, sen.dtiye or ccmpls 

tran8Ddasion prooedun•. It we are able to demodulate a DU!Jl»er ot hip 

trequenc,y t1"anlmission• that 1a Top Secret Codeword. I donat think soo 

That is a conraunications engineering problem, a atraisJit communications 

engineering problsa. 

MR. (}l00KE1t!t It 98" "unusual and aensitiT•·" 

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MR. FRIBDMANs HJ' qua.ml ie not with ua bg with tha people Wlo wrote it. 

DR. SINKOVs Unusual, sens1t1w or complex tra.nanisaion. Sena1t1w or 

complex, how do wa define that? I would be ney happy U 10u a aid "and". 

MR. RE1'HOIDS1 You canOt touch that. 

COLa CAMPBEU.1 That ill going to be hard to 11Te with. 

DR. SINKOVs Tranemiesion procedure•, I would interp&'et that to maan that 

we have auceesaful.17 int.ercepted what. baa been tranamitted. That 1• 'ft1'7 

eeldo11 deserving ot Top Secret Codeword classiticationo Whan we are just 

able to intercept and anal7ze the dgnal, that Yer-r seldom h aa high u 

Secreto · 

MR. FRIEDMAN1 I think they are thinking ot complicated in anewer to proced'Ufta. 

IE. SINKOVs In normal ~ocedural hardllng. EO 3.3(h)(2) 

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MR. CAU.XMAHCX:h Could it be succesetul trattlc analJ'ai•? 

>-1a. FRIEIMAN1 I au.ppose 800 

DR. SINKOV1 There ia rio problem about the 11.rat halt of the •nt.enae. Thoe• 

have the highest rriorJ.tr. 'lhe second part is the peculiar part.. It we 

could rePu-aee the second halt to include what I ha•• gl.vm, then 1n ettect 

R mean euccesatul. int.~rcept_ ot a complex tramm11a1on. That is not ewn a 

cr,-ptograpbic probl•, a cryptologic prob1-. 

!-4R. FRil!DMANi We either haft to liTe with it. and aq nothing or we could 

make a recarrmendation to the Director that he refer this to the Board and 

th• Board discuss it with LSIB ·with a view to modifJin& it.. 

DR. SINICOV t We would be putting the atatt into the tOU6tl poei tion ot tailing 

to appreciate Wiat the right ane~r 1•. Suppose we talk of :lntercept.1.ng a 

Lower Slobo"fian facaimil.e tre.namission? 

MR. REYll>LDSc It~ be Top Secret. There ia nothing about it that come• 

in the codeword categol'J'. I domt it that lCJ\lld be Top Secret. 

m. FRIEDMAHi What is the classification that we gl.w to information fronl 

the demultiplex, the most cauplicated one, the 9-channel? 

DR. SINIOV1 I am not sure that it has any claaaitication. I think mat we 

are doing now on the demultipla: doean ot ha'Ye 8Z1'3' claasiticat.ion because it. 

1mi 11 t a ceyptologic JrOblam in senM. It is a strai :t e neering bl.emo 

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MR. FRIEOOAM1 There is nothing we can do about it hereo WEP have to lJ.ve 

with ito 

MRo CALLIMAHOS: It could be referred. 

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MR. FRIEDMAN: Refer it to the Socurity Ccxmnittee ot USCIB and let then 

struggle with ito HOllr about pi.ragraph 8? 

DR. SINKOV: Letgs back up just a memento I wasnVt quite Clear. I donat 

know 1dlat the phrase at. the end ot paragraph 6 "designated by a s~parat.e 

code1'0rd" meanao I don't. belieTe we haw any such thin~ as a separate 

codeword in thia connection. 

MR. FRIEDMAN a That ian 1tt quite what this 9i&Ji:.a..--i.:lililil.i:u.tiw.....i~w1.11!:!!..11111.1io.11....J.U.......wu..a, 

sort shall be asaigned to the aub-catego17.__...,........,.....-......,......--------,,......-......,.........,,.........,..... 

which b un eub- a: ob. 2 belowo Para aph 5.b.,. 2 

8 : 

What wa.a dom here waa t.o condense the thiug. 

DR. SI NJCOV a If wa keep the phrase ,one misJit maklt the decl.eion that in.form--

ti on which ienst de1ignated by a separate cod'!WOrd doeenst C«.ilB vnder ~he 

general h~adiQg o There are other special codiaworda which app~ to Rusnisn 

plain ... text. 

?-m. FIUEDMAlh There is another thing that 7ou haft to call attention to 

and lllich th17 hawn•t donoo 

DR. SINKOV1 I aa pleased that somabod.y wae going to do something aboui.• ito 

The onq special cod.VOrd that I know ot ia th~ one that we apply to Weath~r. 

COL. CAMA3ELL1 It it is in the Top Secret categol'1', thore might be another 

codeword tor 1to 

MR. FRIEOOlh There is a poeaib1llt7 ot haTing such a thing. 

COLo C.AMPBELLa On the question ot deaignatin(s it by a aeparato code'HIOrd, 

we could explore that and tind out *8.t the atatua ia. We will put. a q~at..ion mark after nseparate codftlDrd" and look into it to find out what 

it ia. 

Next 1a Spaci&l. Weather Intelligence. Thie ia paragraph 80 

Next ia plain Top Secret without the code word. 

DR. SINKOV'1 The datailed mission ot a CafiNT organization could posait·q be 

codword depending on what is saiclo 

COL. C~Lt.1 We han a note that this requires clarification and .Ubora.:. 

tiono 

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DR. SINKOVs You will \ISe t.he method that we have already established? It 

we read all the messages which Lawer Sloboria send• in, that. i• Codeword.· 

YiR. CAIJ..IMAHCS1 It still might not be all-inclus1Yeo You haw broad outlines o Tha ASA Manual is at the SeCl'd level. 

COL. CMUBELLs What about COMINT organization? 

r.ra. CRa3Km'1 It ia Top Secret Codeword. 

DR. SINKC111 What do v. nan by OOMINT orgnnization? Suppme it 1a just a 

small D/F team or an intercept team whoae mission consists solel.¥ ot taldrg 

bearinge on intercept? That i• not a COMINT organiat.iona Who 1a to provide 

clarit1 cation and elaboration? 

COL. CAMmEU.1 We are Cl 

DR. SINKOV1 We will peas on to Point No. 2o 

COL.o CAMPBELL• We will arrange tor elaborat1ono Yc>u brmgbt· out 1 aomebodl' 

brought out, about small intercept stations. It we are writing the mission 

or an operations order tor a emall station, does that autamatical]T car17 

with .it the Top Secret claeaitication? · 

MR. CROSJtERYt I wouldnDt be aUl'priaed that it voUl.d it 7CU get down into 

the detailed miasion. 

COL. CAMPBEIJ..1 Most ot them hafto It I l'ellilinhr correctl.1' all the operations 

orders are at lent Top Seoret. 

r.m. CALL.tMAHCS s How 18 that oompatible with ther---lm.cduct• being Secret 

Codeword? It the detailed miaeion iteelt is Top~&t,, it• succne would 

be secret Codeword. MQbG we abould aqs Detailed miaaion ot each major caaNT organization • 

.MRo REINOIDS1 We misJit haYe a emall outtit working on something that is a 

lot more importanto 

:JR. SINKOVs I don •t knotl th• amwer to Noo 1. WheneTel" w write doun. the 

mission ot a OOMINT organization, we wuld uae all the rest ot the pl"lnciples 

in this guide tor claaaitication. 

OOL. CAMPBELL1 Take tor examle an you write down the mission of FROD or 

pt& out the tun.ct.ion~ organizational ch~ that ebon 70UI" Bl'antti.la or 70111" 

D1Y.l.aiom aid all their tunctions, 7ou people haw rai••d the qufftion ot 

claesitication on that chart. That is a COMINT organization. That ia t.he 

COMINT end ot ~A. 

MR. FRIEDMAlh Wb7 donot we put in: The Detailed mission or a major COMIRl' 

organization? 
DR. SIHKOV1 Prov.lcl1.J7£ the miadon don not inclucSe Codeword WO?mation. 

1.fl. CROSDRYr Take Berlin tor inetan <9. Th• radio station tbar. wae consldeNd aa ot "f'er7 h1gb olalm.n.-tioa at one time. 

COL. CAMP9ELL1 It still ia, imtt. it! 

Ill. Sill!tOfs I don~t know that li h operat.ing ri-· mw. 

MR. FRIEDM.Uh 'fherG might. be & toot.note to the etl•ot. that at, 'the U.. tt.7 

&peed to grade the mbaion ot a aall COOR 12nii u bill u 4fop Secztet 

dapendiac 1ap0n ita sena!:t.i~:tf'. 

MR. RB!HOlDS t l'iret ot all 7tAl Mn to d.t.md.nl •t the .S..Bion 1e. Att.ep 

J'CMl determine what the miaaiOA u. then )'OU deteNine the cla•aiticat.1on. 

COLo CAHPBELL'1 Detailed rdsaian ot a major CCMNT orpnizaUon. TU. out 

the tootnoteo We m1gbt. .. , To eom minor segment• or to a IQJ>pOrt1na unit 

which mighi haft eapecialJ7 hi&b sensitiYit7 or an 1mport8JJ' Jlhzd.on. 

DR. SINKOV: the Qinute ;you deecribe the Jllisaion and include oodnord 

information howe'f'el"' tl)at. ha• beai written out,70u cet into t.he COdevord 

claasiticationo All ot the tem:u are going to haw to use tbla 8.8 a· guide. 

COL. CAJ:tPBELLr It th! detailed lliuion ehould oontain u,y matel'lal that 1a 

properl.J' classified Top secret. Codeword, that cl.aeld.tice.tion lllall be used 

tor the mission as a wole. 

We Zlhoul.d make a •err g~ statemmt at the b•&lnn:.bla that tbeH are 

g\d.de rule• and that the7 ebould be used as audl an4 not be "8klll aa the 

owr-J'id1n& authorit..,'. that on the text and material. furnillhecl the;r will 

ha'ff to determine tilether or not. it. take• that claeaiticat.1.on or a higher 

ODeo 

1R. REY?l>LDSs My cc:acem 1n that is the .ta~ that there area certain worda 

whidl in tbemaelwa 41'9 subject to interpiaetation. What do we mean by 

"detailed"? When is it detail«\ and Mien ian •t it? When ii 1t major and 

men ian1t it major3 ~ knowa that W9 must haw guidanff aa to wbat 

constitute• a 00~ orpniation and tihat doe1n•t aonatJ.tute • COON? 

organizationo 

DR. SlNKOVs The o~ people lilllo ••the pide are thoa• people who bau 

aut.hori v to classify paper•. That aut.outioal.17 put.a them in 80methirlg 

ot a kq position. It by that time th;y don •t. 1cnow what a OOMINr orpnl .... tion 1e, they an in a bad Wl8¥. 

MR. CROOlml'i When we have to epall O\lt 'the ptn.aaos am claue1, we get i~o that. all the time. We haft to lea'ff some initiatiw to tbe indiT.l.chaal. 

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m. SINJCOV1 Wh7 can •t. 1\ be a et.atement ot geMl"al Jd,ncipl.e? Ws are aoin& 

to haY8 to :require p.opla ·1*ills1D& these tr1nG1 pl.ee to wse COlllOn HnN 

and ~nt, as 1Mll aa wll aa appl1'1na tbe baaio princ1plee or claea:ltico.-

tiOD. 

OOL. CAJCPBELI.1 It we mean jult; vbat the d1otio11&17 det.l.Dition ot it. 1•, ear~ in this paper there vU1 ban to be an oftZ'eall writt• deciaion on 

met.la_. OP not. the tact that. w an in the CClll'llun1cat1om b1111neaa or in 

the Cipher b1111ineaa ie cla•dft..S. In ot.ber word8, lt tJie etatment oaae 

o'1tt that RSA waa 1n th• COMINT buainese and. eatabU.!bed. tor \ha\ purpose, 

t.hm when J'011 go on from there 1'QU get into trouble it 7011 add that 7011 

are ill it. tor the purpose of intercepU.ng and 'breaJd.ns oodetl ot tONSgn 

oo11ltr.1.e•. rou bealn to raiea 'the olaeeit1oat.1on riftlt, aw:r. 

~{ft. PRIEIIWft sure. 

OOL. C.AMmELL1 Wl*1 we ad.4 "detailed" here w meal& cletailina exaotll' bow 

we BP about. it and mat we are tr.ring to acccaplilb, mat our pUl'pOle iac 

'l'be statement that NSA was in the COON'l' budnns and located at. a certain 

place am waa furnished vi th eo !Dal1J' people~ I don •t think that would t.ake 

the Top Secret classit1cation 1n D\1 opinion. 

DR. SINKOVI We haTe na•r Jll'OlllQlrt•d in 8111' form. information aa to .. v1.th1n t.he Agenc;r is autbol'izecl to cletcmine what c1.aas1t.l.oat1on a thing 

get.ao How low dotl'l in ecbelan 'fM.7 we p? 

COL. CAMPBELL1 The document ehould be aslGOlated with the people who lbauld 

ue tbeH p.-1nciplea. That. lboulcl 1- the preui>l• of the doemsl&. That. 

starts it out. pner~ I would tld.nk. Wear. requi.Ncl tr the Exemtiw 

Order to do that Tel7 thin&, to appoint certain people vho are aut.bor.tsed 

to place a cl.aseitication UpOD the paper. That 1e ao1111thing 1dd.ch we baw 

l18ftr doneo 

DR. SINKOV1 We have an indication that the gen•al pr1ne1pl8 la in tha\ 

direotion todaJ' o 

Ml. FRIEIMAN1 I tb1nlc w .1Ut. have to lift with certain~. that w 

can•t spell them out,. I know mat 1a traubling 1011. It 1ooJas llk9 JOU &N 

running into ditt:lcul.t.7 thereo Tbere ia no other wq that I knaw otD Sar 

that it 1a in t.he m.'laaioa ot the OOMIH'? m-pnlsat1cm and leaft it- up to 

the 9'od jlldgment ot the tell.ow mo 1a going to haw to ope-ate 111der tb1a 

&Qidao 

DR. SINXOV1 It only ccmaa baok to that pcd.m. 

MR. REffl>LDS1 The <;ene:ral. sap to an one 1ll04el and to co• 11p with 1tJlfll 

brilliant ldeaa 1n the tut.UN. Yea, I can ... ccnf\lalon 1n NSA IDd in the 

Cr.n>tologlo Serricea and a miluncleratan~ of the term. OOMINT itself i• 

one which ls used in 1DUl7 ditterent interpretationa. I haw here a paper 

put out b,v ASA on 19 JanU&17. It 1• moat contu.1ng. 

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DR. SINKCR1 Eftll after ve ,_ all the pr1nc1pla laid dowl• w get into 

the prcble in 06 ot hav.l.ng t.llNe or tCNP people at, tbe top mat l.nel. 

'WDftWi.rg what the claaaitioaian ia. There mi&h\ be'"° er tllrea ditterent; 

IDIW9l'llo 

OOLo 0Nf PBELL1 An w too h1&h an t.bat? 

NL RlrllllllX:h I think na a• all. The onlT thovgbt, l had in 'ld.nd vaa that 

the -ral. atatoment m1Pt lead to contusiono I realile th& J'OU can Ot 

dedae a a7.tem that w1l1 totalll' elimlmte the cont.iona 

CX>L. CAMPBEU.s We are conaiatent ld.th pre•ent. N8'1J,atSona llb1ch eatabliab 

NSA mcl ASA ard glw the miaalono 

Ill. CROSKBat i It doeen 1t gt.Te the detaUed m1aa1on. I1i doem•t. - int.o 

detail about ito 

OOL. CAMIBELLs You vould sq \hen that. \bl• was the broad lll•ion ot e8Gh 

COMINT uni.to You mn•t agres with Top Secret? 

:w. CARSON: The broad minion ot .ASA is uncl.aasiftedo 

MR. C/1LLIMAHOS t Not the broad miseion. Wbm Maraball was 1n ott1oe be 

pUblished Rego 10-1250 That. ha• been 11pgrade4. 

MAJ o CARSOlh I w1 thdraw. 

M'?.. CALUMAHOS t Colo Campbell llas uloed that a1l cop1e1 ot t.hls be deatropd. 

OOL. CA.'IPBELLI You can alwqa downgrad9 much eader than 70U can UJll'Bd•· 

It 70u haft alread7 given certain intorination 01& and. it 1• mclaealtJ.ed, 

hall oan 70u upgrade it later! · 

!~R. CROSKmr 1 St.ill the dmap has bee done, but. that 1e no reaeon llb.r w 

sbould cont.ribllte to SOll9thblg like thato 

COL. CAMP.BELLI You would up it on the baala of aaBOCiating t.ba broad Clltltll' 

.function with the spedf1c actint7 or organisation b7 name. 

mt. CRCBKERY I There is queet1cm about. tbe IUIUo 

MR. PRIEDMA!h OYer an4 CNflr' again I a not too hflPPJ' wlth U. 11Dl'da "ajar 

OOMINT orpn!zation." Let'• tab the detailed miu!on of PROD. It. i• 

spelled out. in the SOP of the Agenqr. \\bat ia the clasait1oat.1on? 

COL. CAMPBELLi Top Secret,. ~ll J'OU •a;r "cl9talle411 , JOU are tal.ldnl ab• 

t.he organisation manUAl. That has 'to be Top Seor9'o 

MR. FRIEDMAN1 Wb7 ehouldnllt 1t reads Detailed minion ot a COMI.NT agenq OI' 

a ma.1or campoDIDt thereof? 

MR. RE!lllLIE t What about the Brandl•• ot one D!Yimont 

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COL. CAMPBELL1 It ;you take the Ruesian Section out by itself ard giw its 

detailed mission, Bill 11q11 that it ia Top Secret.. It ;you taJce out the 

Processing Branch ot Peenq•e outtit and gl.ft its mission. lllhich doeannt 

have al11thing to do at all with codeword.,, 70U could apell out Feeney'• 

operations without reYeallng anything at. all pract1cal.17q In tact you 

c~ld word that so it would be Confidential and JD91be eYen Unclassitiedo 

MR. REIN0Lll51 Doesn't it depend on what the mission 11 as to its classification? 

DR. SINKOVs That is the ba~ic point. 

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COL. CAMPBELL1 In the Securi~T Division, which ia considered a major cam... 

ponent, you could put your Job in the clear it you word,ed it right. Yea., 

7ou couldp It you mentioned 1'01.U' name, I will admit that 7ou might. haw to 

clQaif)' it. 

MR. FRIEDMANr How about the tact that we are l'Uming certain kinds of 

gadgetey? 

OOL. CA..'IPBELL1 Yoa mean till• pol¥graph? 

~-m. REYNOLDSs We haw told Senators that we use it. We don't pmllsh it., 

COL. CAMPBELL a Aa long aa 7CU ea7 that J'OU don •t demand that ewrJbodT use 

it,. he doean•t sq that. There again it is a p1q on wrda. I coilld write 

up P/P'• won: sheets, their 3ob descript.iona and put them 1n the clear 

praoti call.7. 

MR. REYll>IDS1 The dtatailecl mission ot each COMIN'~ organization ar major 

canponent thereof may not nea.saar1J7 .... 

COL. CAMPBELL1 Mqbe w ought to sq "detailed mission" and sp•ll out our 

OOMIBI' tunctioD. a. ·. VoulA :yo\t ·til{r tm.t.t, Bill? Th• detailed mission. of a 

OOMift ~tion, ot a ma.jor OOHINT aoti'dt.J' 1••••• 

~m. REYHOLDS1 It you put that in there, 1 wlll lNJ' i~o 

m~. FRIEDMAN a You don •t want to classifT the cafSEC activit7. You want to ' 

aq detailed miaaicn of a COMINT agenc,y or a major component. t.hereot. 

~· CAMPBELL1 Which rewal.8 OOMIN'l' !unctions ie, which rewala J.ntormation 

taining to.... We are addin.:; more conf'tasion. I think it 1s clear U 

we put "major" in thereo 

MR. CROSIERYi Delete the part that we added before, 0 ' ll 

MR. rmY!l)LOO I StrU. it altogether~ 

COL. CA"fFBELL1 PROD has raised the question on their charts primaril1'o 

Their charta gi~ng just the mines of their outfi.ta, thq have put at 

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s.ore•. Thq raieecl the question whether Secret was adequate or eftJ1 tao 

blgb. Th.v haft raiaed t.he qmation within FROD th--1.Yeeo hir orpni• 

ation charts ebaw nothing except down to DiYS.sion lewl, it I l'81U111bor right.~. Tht&r haw rai••d th• question whet.Iler Secret ill th• proper claea1-

t1oat!ono 

MR. RB!ll>IDS1 Wbm ;rw are ~ina a paper wbiab l"G~ the detailed 

Dd.n1on ot a COMDI! crpnisatton, don't 70J. deteNine the claees.ts.catioa 

ot that b7 just dcc1d1ng llhat the detaU.4 miaalon ia? Tben J'OU IP back to 

tbe 'balic &Uid•• tor alau:l.t1cat.ion and put. the proper clueltication on it,. 

U we oan set tortb tbe deta.U.d mieaion and then So back to the guide, 

J'OU can 11111' what def:lniUan tit.a it-Secret or Top hozr9'. 

MR. ~JitREs That. anevera the pl"Oblal. 

COL. CAMPBEU.1 It tm.r follow the remaining rulu, thq "111 be able to 

claseU)' that Top SeoM. 

I will t17 to read t.he n•t ot the Secret aeotion. 

Let'• leaTe Ko. laid go an to No. 2. Then we can cane back to lo Ve will - 1t the rest, vlll anawr 1 it w left 1\ out. 

MR. RE!'ll:)LDS 1 In the f:lnal. preparation ot tbie doowunt I would lilce to 

avgeat that particularJ1' on the Top Secret and Confidential eeotiona, w 

set to:rtb tb• cluaUication guides as proJIU18'.ted b7 the Seoret&l'J' ot 

n.r ..... 

::a. 8Ilt'{0Vz Then are clear guide linn laid dom on the 'baeia ot 1daicb w 

would be 8JJ8oted. to gift examples hem our OWD ac1;1Yit7. 

COL. CAMPBELLs That would be 1n Bxeout.iw Order 10501. That would be the 

Mia auld• line with turtber impllmllltation and uaooiation ot certain tacU 

1d.t.b EA and lib aeti"litiea. Right? 

MR. REfll:>IDSs !be pide linea eet dCll!1 by t.he Executi ft Order are tao bJioado 

COL. CAKP8EJL1 Do 1'0U want. to 1•• 1 °'* tor the time being? We 111111 t.air. 

2 i:ben. The thing is Tague anl doean•t aatlafT any lJUl'POMo I 

DR. SllltOVa I ban a note tram 70 tha\ it 111 too ft&'ll and llhould be am:l.tted. 

cot. CAMPBELLt It 70\l follow the detailed inst.Notions, that wUl nol'lnlll1' 

tab lte proper classitlcat.ton. · 

MR. FRIEDMAlf1 Ri&hto 

COL. OJMPIBU..1 We haft addad eomathinc t.here that miaht be confQlnao 

DR. SINKOVs Strllra it. 

OOL. CAMPIELLs No. 2 pa out. 

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DR. SINKOV1 The intent aa it now reada is Tel7 clea.ro Wbat 70U want to 

dillt!-"81"-•b between 1• tbe tact that Ult/US collabor~tion ie Secztet· and 

VIC/Canada, Ult/Autralia 1a Top SeCNt. It might 'be •bettfll' it it were 

epelled 011'. It ia Q.eo true that. w are alread,r dleaqssing the idea, 

and I t.b1n1c it 1a true, tbat. w w1l.1 downarade ooll4toration with Canada 

and collaboration with Auatralla tO Seoret. 

OOL. CAMFBEU.t Tbe BrlU8h AN the oneao 

Ill. SIBOVs 'DleotJlers were made Top Secret as a conseqaenae. We haw agreed 

db the Ult to downgrade collabomtion with thm to Secret. Thoe~·~• 

are not. 1'9t donplded. 

MR. CJlmmfs US/AustraUa collabomtion is dollllpaded to SeCretro 

DR. SIRKOVa The US proposed the change at the Melbo'11"m Tripart:lte Conference. We think that collaboration· should be cla1elth4 Secreto The UK 

and Auetralla ha• QOt anawred that question. 

MR. Fll.UlrfANs What abau\ collaboration ot the UK/US in COXSEC matter.? 

ta. SINIOV1 Eftll betmv wa 1!P to OOMSEC, we think the wording in pa.ragapb 3 

1• perhaps a little strong. Would 70\1 SST the exchange or raw t.ratt:le ie 

Seonti. 

MR. mROLt>Ss Rav tl'Atfio determinea the claesiticat ion. 

at. SINKCNt It. depends upon the extent ot conai,.,ntiono same aspects of 

collaboration b.J' tbemaelna might not warrant a 'ft17 hi&b cl.aaaiticat!ono 

MRo PRIEDfAN1 le the classification because ot the tact that we exob&np 

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Ill. SDKOV1 It ill ToP S.ON\ between the US and Canada. The Canadlam up. 

graded it. The general principle will be that QT tlme 7CQ talk about 

collaboration wit.h thl UJC it ia Seoret. Collaboration with Canada and 

AWl\l'Blia 1• Top Seoftte 

m. CROSKF.ata 'l'b1a ahculd be spelled out. then, collaboration between the 

us. Austral.la, and Canada then. 

rm. RE!ROLt81 Could 70u explain to •the ba•ia or the h1sh claesit.lcatian? 

MR. FBIEl>MA!h Collaboration in wartime is abT.l.au. The emphuia here is on 

peac.U.me apparutl.1'. I •Ull>oae tile seni:tral feeling ie t.hat c:J')"Ptanal.7tio 

l«>rk 1n iteelt l• h1ahl1' secret. Collaboration in peacetime with torel&n ane~ta ia the most seONt. ot all. 

DR. SINltO'lt It pa follow tile basic .JCS pr1nciplo Wilch detinea Top Secret 

as information the diaclomre ot which would C&UH graft c:lama.ge to eecurit7 

information, I am quite llUl"e 70u can jwstifJ' calling collaboation with 

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P. QE-g-""°OF PAGFS 
Canada Top s~ant.. The lose of tbatinto:rmation causes grave damage to the 

nation. It i• ToP seoret tor euch intol'IDation, the diacloBlU'e of mi.ch 

will cause graw damageo However, I think we wUl with time get it domgradecl to SeaNt. since peacetime collaboration with the Britillh Conmonwealtb 

ta considerecl S.ore\~ It "411 talat a 11b1le to p\ that. 

strn. "anr' out. of 3. The cl.assifiaa.t!on ot collaboration W'ith the Ult 1e 

Top Secreto 

MR. CROSIERYs lt hae besi down lOlm' tlum that re some timeo 

COL. CAMPBELL1 Ho. 4? 

!-01. FRIEDMARs Ia that cOl"rect? I could UM that 1ntom.ation tbia att;emoon. 

MR. CROSKERYt In the Combiaecl Cryptographic Paml wa deal with t.be Brit.:l.lh 

on certain Top Secret intcmnationu 

COL. CAMPBBLL1 That is what most· ot their papers cODl9 out in. It depend8 on 

what the7 rewal. 

MR. CRCSERYt Canadian/US JCEO. 

COL. CAi"4:PBELL& It. :I.a practical.17 1n th• cl.ear. I thlnk it ahoUld be oonaidered unclaasitied tor all purposes. 

n?. FRIEJ7.TARs It is a curious tbi!lg. 

Mr. Friedman spoke ott the recol"do 

COL. CAMPBELL• On most ot the papers the higbest tbeJ" can go uma]l7 on owrall class1ticat1on, unt;U we get down to telling them what w are giring th•, 

1• Cont.l.dentlal. 

DR. SINKOVt It contain• 12 unneceaaar.r wordeo 

COL. CA.'IPBELLt lt we follow the guide lines, we don•t need 4. 

No. ' 

DR. SINKOV1 We have auch interesting things ae the t~ct that th·e Pearl Harbor 

imeatigation vaa spilled all over the newapapera. Thf cryptanal.781a ot those 

a,yatenw, that 1a no longer considered Top Secret. Iq. the second place I am 

not quite eurw "1at we mean by the pbl-aee "higheetn. 

COL. ChMPBELLs Systema ot hiab gradeo That ie not m,y wording. I bow out to 

70u c17Pt&nalJ'8t• on thato 

~.~. CROSKERI t We ar9 get.ting into the detailed pert ot it again, the fact 

that we have done such a thingo 
DR. SIIEOV1 1t it 1a cr;ypt&nal.JaS.9 ot the highest grade 8J8tem an:l if that 

Ol'JPtanalpia aa such bas not been disclosed, that information u ww know 

it then i• Top Seeret Codevard. It on the otbei- hancl, it 1a uno1asaitie4 

beoauae we ban t..l.ked about the euccesa against · Japamee oommmicatiolll 

1n inYeatiaatlons ll1ce the PMrl· Harbor 1nwaUgation, w continue to cal1 

1t Top SeOl'ft. 

COL. Ct'IMPBELL1 That. came out ot the EWA Agnmmlt. 

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FRIEDMAR1 \lllat do we do abo1t the reference to COON1' 1n minoi- police 

liJr8 the Korean menace': 

DI. SIHIOrt Seoret. Codeword tbrova WI into another contradiction. TbeN 

a1ght be tbinp we p\& on the Secr•t Codeword liat t.hat "WOuld be diesm1natecl 

to the t.ront lines without havillg tbe Jll"Obl.•• ot Top Secret Co~J'd. 

MR. FRIEDMANt Thia tactical OOMINl' ia quite ~o 

cot. CAMPIELL1 It waa put into the laat Security Manual which 1a am part 

of it. During the war it prorides tor reference• leading to interference 

w1 th the spacd.t1c ••tema inYolwdo 

rtt. CROSKER!s '?hf4'8 is a eimUar paragl"apb umer Seoret.o 

COL. CAMPBELL& That ie low grade. The first one refer• to Pearl HarborG 

Ms-. Fr.l.edaaan spoke ott the reoordo 

COL. CAMPBEU.1 That 1• tram Am. Wenger•a paper of 191.?. That ia a quote 

right out ot the papers ot hie, that and that other one. 

MR. FRIEIIWh lt is about time to chanp that o 

MR. CROSKERYt ~ S and 7 and mqbe th1e om together. Take Son pap 4o 

Pull all the lfo. Sa togethero 

MR. FRIEDMARt You are talki1'g ot eom low grade mUita17 C17Pbograpbic 

ayllttml used betON World War II am 70u call it Seont.. Yet 70l can bqr it. 

MR. DERSMatEr How ftlUV" people need to use the information on our bu.ineea? 

DR. SINltOVs Haw many people need pi.dame? Shouldn't th• guidance be 

real1atio? How m&nJ' people are ever going to wr1 te about retenme to ~graphic aub3ecta? 

COL. CAMPIELL1 'ftlat ia the l!J1T right there. 

DR. SINKOVr That 1s aomethlng which p?Obabl.7 wouldrl•t ap~ to a ftl'J' large 

nlnber of peopleo 

m. RE!NOLDSt I haft a problem 1n the et1110 way on publications that ccna 

to D1J attention in de'9rmining whetiher er not tbe7 ehould be claaaitiedo 
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DR. SINKO'Vs You would refer that.? 

MR. FRIEDHAlh Who ia the peNaft setting up a di'Y18ion tor 3iring relief, 

aicl, and succor to }SA personr.l mo haw to spend eome tm in a GoTernment 

Penit.ntaey tor Yiolatlaw the law? I learned 79ate1'da7 that. the Technical 

Maaual U•:*> micb deal.a 1d.tb keJ1ng aJ'T811p!YSa tor CClllwrt.i.18 the M-209, 

Md.ch was pW>lillhed 7•81'• qo, ten 7ean qo, u a Kestrioted MaavaJ. 1e llOlf 

Contidcitial. I was looklq; thrav&b rtfl boob at, horra· and. ill 1" llter817 

odleot:ton I tound the 11-380. I don 11t' ha'fla au.r tbrae-t.\llllbler 1atea at 

haae to itUt that in. It 1• olaeaitledl Contideldiia1 tod8J'. Here I • 

blJlbcring e. Confidential docums :ln -it7 hcllll whieh it Mr. McCarthT find• 

m& abcut, : I am sure aoins to. spd B«Me tim h ~1. Will 110111JbodJ bring 

• coolciea? 

MR. IE!ll)LDS: We 'Call make arr&q1111nt• to~ fOt1 coolda• and tea, 

prOY";a.dlng tllat I go with PU. . 

COL. OAMPBEr.L1 I don •t know that we nec!Cl to 110ft7 it ~· .., .. right. trcm here 

to tht.re. ,. ··' \ MR. FRim:·~ANt I am worried al:ios t.bi•• theN ,.at, h·-Hftft.1 8""'9 

doOllnellt• ~' the Restricted catego17 that I ~ bad at home. 

DR. SINK<Ws ~Ju~oae ae a Nault that a pie1oe ot paptr ia now C'.tlfl.ded.ial 

which preuou..~.7 •-as Reatrl.ct.ed2 Copies c-t it lllbich dawd t.o t.he per.lo4 

when it was in the Restricted clasd.ft.cat!.aa in elf~ mu.:Jt. bit changed to 

the Contident:lal clasaifioatian. 

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COL. CAMPBELLs 'iltat is t• onJT troubl.9 w:t .. th ~· It . .,Jlould Dtmtl" haw 

chanpd the claesi~ication ot mv doc11911\,~ lioiD lS Deemer on there 1a no 

Restricted material. other material t.hat t:aas 'been classified aa such at.111 

i• treated as classidedo The.r should D8'JU" ban tr.led to p back and make 

the thing l"l!tt.roa.cti Ye• . 

MR. CROOmtt t We all haw ~':leee things to dnend.ne • 

COL. CAMPmLLs The eaq VEJ1 out. ~en 70U chanp tomthing ia don't go bactc 

and change th• old s7stem all tba wq ~~. That. is what. the,r did. 'Dia 

directiw aaJ8 that unleea a doCWD\.-..t ba8 been upgraded i\ ia Uncla.eelf:lti4o 

The Executive Order sqa that theJ' ~U ·all be declasa1.t1eclo It put the 

responsibllltJ" on the origirlator to no~ ~ that tile thin& h&a been 

1lplflraded, in Di" opinion. 

MR. Q,(LLI~AHOS1 The eal'lier 380 had been superlleded br t.be la.at 0118 which 1• 

DaN fn etfe~ o It sap that all irftlous cop1ea haw been de1t.ro.yedc 

MR. CROSKERr f The AFSAG aqa the 881lle thinao 

COL.. CMIPBELL1 The test wuld be whether he had the "need t.o knov .. 11 

'ft. FaIEI>:.rANs 1 I bought it.o 

col:. OAM?im..t.1 Did acrneone have tbe right to a.U it to J'OU?. 

m. FRIFJ>MANz The thing came out with t.he M-209. I wanted tale M-209. I 

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didn't. want to steal Govemment propertF. I b1d94 ur.r time until it CAma 

Ol&tt on eome eurplus saha muibt. 

COL. CAMPSELL1 TJl• ExeQ\Jtift Orde ia weak on that point. It decl.ass1t1ea 

ftW7tb111a W\less aci;!on was tuen "1' the ~ator to \lftllrade 1-t. 

Ma. P2IEDMAH1 'l'h• acU,.on hae hen taken. 

The 81.pal Corpe 18 oper~t:lql in Cont'identlal. 

m •. mll>LDS1 '?bey haw to prove it meets tbe detin:ltion of Confldental. Ht 

farth 1n Executiw Order 10,;>1. 

MR. FRIElJ.tANt There 1e anotbel" tickU.ah q'U8atlon. l wu ukecl bJ" let\er 'br th• Editor ot t,he Ameroican, CrJptogram Association to rep~ to an article. 

I wanted to turn them do1111 senl1' ~ but it occurred to me that thq could repubUah the article. I dug up the nam from th• ASA ::t:f• The dows 

itaelt was clasaitied Restricted but; the article wu at the top 

Unolassitiedo Now the article was in tm parts. The tire" P-' waa taken 

from the original which was publiebed in th• J.oP.l ot A!Jl¢CB1LI4ter&tun. 

Part 2 was pW>Uebed in the Svatl Come lhfl' et: n. 

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Whc thq lifted it out. of the s~ Bulll'!;n and p1' 1\ in the Ml 

the;y should not ha•• pu~ own selfliat the top of th• art"IC!e. 

n;wa& classitied Reatrictacl. How then the Editor of the e:-:1can .. op Jc!frl: canttuse that without. Tiolating the law aa·I see 1~ d!&-Seil 

lt Olm. 

COL. CAMPJli'Lts We are getting o,rt on Bill •a probleu. 

MR. ~Ns It aJVbody want.ad to get m, thq could, anl I don't take 

chan.ces like that • 

Sc?meth1ng has to be done to s. 

OOL. CAKPBELLt What do you i:ropoae? 

I~R. FRIEIMAN1 There 1• no t.ime limit. for aateguard1ng COMINI' as def:l.Md 

herein. It 1a of the utmost iaport.ance that; complet.e and absolute ail.enc• 

be .maintained by' those lltlo haw enr been indoctrinated 1n it at my~*· 

lolhc matters referring to COONT are broadcast or pmlishecl "° the proper 

paople or those in author1'1't it. doean 11 t fl'H otbi:" ~aona who are or ner 

haft been indoctrinated for cOON'l' tram their cont; obl!ption to maintain eiltnoe. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 On that ba.ela it sanething was made uncl.assUied and at the 

time that 70u were indoctritinted it was treated as claeeified,, 70u wouldn •t 

nen talk abmt ita I donllt think thq meant. that. 

DR. SINitOV.1 Let'• let Mr. Callimahoa write it. 

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OOL. CPMPBELtt Roo 5 and '/. On page 4 No. S again creeps in. Six creep• in 

t.here-4, S, aid 611 You wJ.11 take can of Sand? under Top Secret and 4, 

', aid 6 under SeoNto Ho. 6 1119 *1.AMd. 

lll. SIRK0\11 The law •a;r• that Codeword tv itaelt,. without any indication ot 

Ml.at !,t means or •at. 7CIU clo v1th it., it I aa correot, tha\ 1e Top Secret. 

MR. CALLIMABC81 The kn:q utepard8 the dieaenina.tion of Spac1a1 lntel.U.- gmo•~ It •is Codeword tor Special lntelligenoe and Top Secret Codeword. 

When it 0011es to Codno1'4a U 70\l wite it end leave it on 10ur calendd 

at ni.ght , 7ou can be picked 11p tor a violation. -rhie 1a orae .that 1• not Well 

known among Agsic7 people. 

COL. CAMPJELLt I can •t agree with 7°'l more~ 

z.~. DERJMmE1 In the Nav thq alwqa left. lt out. 

MR. CALLIMAHOSt You can be gigged tor- tho word. 

MR. PRIEDMANt That is the rule. 

lm. REINOLtih It would almplif7 thinas te~. What are the dlances ot 

getting a modification ot that thing? 

DR. SINKOVs We oV&ht to t17 • 

COL. CAMPBEI.J..z The CoclewG'd requires a olaes1tloat#ion wh41l 1t stancle bJ" fu~ . 

~m. FRIEDMAN r That 1s WJ&t it ••• now. The codft'Drd ~en med aa auch ta 

codeword. When it dee11Jlates Cate&017 III ard II OOMINI' and aubmcategori• 

which are est.abliahecl within these cat.egol'lee it wUl. bear the Top Secret 

classification. According to· the cat•&0!7, tbeee code. worcla and their 

implications ehall not be lade known to ~111docitrinated penonnel,no:r 

llhall the code word be used in the codnmrd eenae in the presence of DOil-> 

indoctrinated pereom. The code W>rd tr.hen Uled as ach shall bear the !op 

Seoret. claas11'icat1ono 

a>L. CAMPBEi.Ls I aq that i haye certain codnord reports down on rq deek 

which I would 1ika 70u to ••• I haw used it in that HnSO• TheNfON, 

I should not . nm _make t.ha:t statemalf& . ..., 7011 with aameone in the room 1'ilcra 

I don •t 1cnow and it I don •t know whither he ia cleared .. . .; .. . MR. REYNOLDSs You mentioned oni,. the.~ with the code wol'd on it. 

COL. CAMFBELL1 Your people won•t let me leave Codeword paper out. 

MR. CROSIJ!aY I How about the print .:-cl paper O'VV in PROD with nothing on it? 

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DR. SINKCNt It it ia aaaociat.ed closel7 with Top Secret, it in:iicates that 

there ie 110me connection e..-i t.hough to rq mini it i• no more in need ot 

protection than the meaning ot the word8 Top Secreto 

COL. CAMPBELL: For example~ wa receiTed a ek1n tr~ om or the outfits that 

•Ud~ "four Top Secret Codeword paper waa forwarded Ullder eucb and aucb a date 

to eo and ao. n It had nothing to do with the matei-ial that vaa in the paper~ 

Ho had claasitied the thing Top Secret because ot the ·ta.ct ~~t tM;y bad 

ueed Top Secret Codeword. Be gaft no information, bu\ hi• Pf.1*' was class1-

1'1ed Top Secret because he bad, aa I umeratand the detinitica in ita meaning, 

not the dicti011a17 meaning, associated it with tbe det1n1ticn aa ~ ro~h 

in the BRWA Agre61n9nt. which baa a epechl oonooct.ion.. He l«>\lld ha'ftl to 

write on that Top Secret ~rd paper such and such :1e torwarded.. 

DR. SINKOVs It he left out the specit:lc codeword4 

f.R. CROSKEM'1 It he identitied it b7 serial nmbero 

COL. C/MPlEU.t It should still have Top Secret Codeword on top of ito 

MR. nEYNOIDS 1 Not according to this. 

le. FRUDMANt It carrien the Clas8iticat1on. 

OOL. CAMPJELLs You can •t d!wJ.&'t the \il'Ord to &l\JOD8 we. The paper here 

018 that ;you will not reweal it, to other than thcteo who are 1ndo¢nnat,edo 

MR. CALLIMAH03r I think we ~ kee-p thflm and let them bo lmmmo 

DR. SINKOVt That ha• been propoaed nm'• than once. It eeema to me t.hat. it 

we could agree on a set ot aodf> words and let them rem.in indetinitel.¥1 it 

would eave ua a lot. of headaehw. I think we oupt. t,o ban a pneral 

class1ticat1on and change tt» phrase Top secret ew17 so ott.n. 

COL. CAMPBELLi I read PRODVa ccmnenta on CodewOrd. Reference vae made to 

a propoeal such aa tor Top Secret Codeword. 

Whm reference is made to a puoaae such as Top Secret Codevord and it. h 

otherwi•e unclaesitied, ehould the c:bcument be claaaified Top Secret Cod., 

word, Top Secret, or is same other lower classification pomitted? 

What is the proood:ure tor clasait,ying material. that contain• a combination 

ot claeldtied intormation au.ch aa Secret Cod.word and plain 'top secreti 

Doee or doea not that require Top Secret Codlword? 

Does the presenee ot an indi'Yldual page amo~ sewral. pages within a doe:um6nt 

ot Codeword material necessitate the application or a Cod~d to all pages 

or only the page ioequired? 

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Ia not mlue emphasis being placed upon the coTer eheet. beQ"J.ng tile legend 

tJaat the material contained th•ein is ot Codnord level? 

Should not some reqld.ran be ••tablishld that the notation or th• uiatence 

of Ood8worcl material be incl.wlecl on tbe coyer !Di the ftrat- three CP raur 

paplf o~ any gl.TeD docment? 

TbU came out of PROD and there ia to m;r mind quite a bit or contuion within 

PBOD as to 1'lat is Pi'OPlf'. 

DR. S1NKOV1 A lot ot ht.a questions are kind of J.cmc-w1n1ed. He goes int.o 

aneral dit.termt. things. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 The infomaiaion 1n tbS.a paper vu Secret Codemr41 b~ there 

vaa eome additional. information that bad to do with COMIN'l' that raiaecl the 

cla.sld.tication to Top Secret• This thing ia a Yeq emall and innocuoue 

•tatement but. I will run over i.t. It is e'YJ.dmt tha~ it. ia not clear in a 

lot ot people a• mind•. 

t.£. CROSKJ!Ms They might haft to claeaif7 1nd1v1dual~ ~paragraph in a 

rart:LCNlar doawnent. 

te. CALLIMAHOSs It is elasa1t1ed Top Secret :ln t.he originll. It eqa Top 

Secret Codeword. 

COL. CAMPSF.LL1 The instruaticm ehould not carr,r the Codeword. It 1a 

nothing mortj or lese than m 1ndication ot the trmlllieaion channel•. It 

I aend a Top Secret. doclJlle• to someone• I can send 1\ in double wrapped and 

labelled inside Top Secret. The Top Secret Comrol otticer can open it and . he ma7 or ma-r not. be indootrinatsd. ihtn he opena it up, he can aee that 

lt ia Top Secret_ Cod.word and eq, "What do I do witb it?" 'lou .aren •t 

supposed to aee it. You eeDS eomethiJW thl'ovgb the wrong chmmela. It 

should have gona 1n COMINT dlannallo I don't •an t.o imp]7 tbat the Cod~rd 

ia only a tranamission indicator. I didn't mean that.. 

It also protects the channel.a, the imieation of the cbarmaleo Bill read 

that J'01l may not revea1 the word :ln its codeword HDH to un-indoctriaated 

people. The letter wUl 1'9T8al it, in tbia eenH to soma depe9. 

MR. FRIEDMAN a Lat'• talat the cae• of a J)ape 1" ..tlere rou use Top Secre\ CodelC)rcl. Just a J)la1n sheet of paper 1t touncl on the atreet. What intereme 

woulcl you draw? 

DR. SINKOV: That it is some ld.llli of s'Ubordinate associated elaesit.lcatlono 

loll~ REtNOLDSs It wou.ld be no more a1gn1t1CIDS than it it ... Top Seoret 0 

J.lt.·' CROOJtEU1 It would be •ecl 1n l6Ao 

COLo CAMPBEU..: I dan1t ha• that on ito It 1a Top Secret Cod8woi'd. 

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Ml. RE?NOLOSt It means that the particular piece ot paper or torm wu 

prirt.ed by NSA. I \IDuld ~ to see it cha.ngedo. 

COLo CAMPBELL; We JZl.UBt li'fe Up to tJle spirit ~ tb1a. U this means the 

ue ot the wcrd 1n a letter, the claes1tica.t1on or tbe paper must. bs Top 

Seoret Codeword. Is that tm-rect? 

MR. CALLIMAHOSs You then rewal the existence ot oo<W...:ord to tm)'OM who 

is un-indoctrinated. 

OOL. CtiMPBF.LLs It should be kept 1n COON't' ahanml.9 anly. I think that 

weul.d piobibit the m&iling or the ~o 

DR. SINKOV& I ~poH that we get . 'Gp and stretch • lep rw a tew 

mimtea. ·· 

MR. FRIF.DMANs I am going to have to leaye aoono 

The meeting recessed at 1100 tor ten minute•. 

DR. SINKOV1 I would like to finiah the section ve are on. 

~·R. CRCBKERYs What did we do nbcut 6? 

MR. REINOLDSt I don't see Wiat you can do exce)'t to keep it with tba situation 

that exiat•a 

MR. DENSMCREt Th• code 'WDrd by itselt out ot context ia Codtn«>rd~ 

MR. REYHOLDSi Yea, I am atra14 as of naw it ta. we ehould do scmethiag, 1t 

we can, to get the '4leela started and to get eanething which i• more 

reall.tico Just because the Prohibition Law was unpopular was no ntaaon 

tor keeping i to 

OOL. CAMPBELLs The code word out of cont.ext- ia applicable to Special Weath&r 

Intelligenoe. I think we sboUld aim tor Unclaaaitieclo 

DR. SINKOVr Th• code word no matter hov it is uoed has to be clasa1tied. 

m. RF:!NOIDS r It goes back to the wording or the BRUSA AgreGento We can 

interpret. that to meanu .. 

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OOL. CAMPBELL: We ~ stuck tor the present.o ~n w submit thia to USCIB, 

we ehoUld ask for epeciftc clar1f1cation ot that. point. Riabt? 

MR. REYNOLDS s And recomnend that consideration be giwn to making code word• 

unclassitied. 

COL. CA.~BELLs When used out ot contexto 

m. CALLIMAHOOi You get, no indication or ths ma~ of a OOMINI' code i.iord. 

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<DL. CAMPBRLLt It might be a Top secret. Codnord. paper pertaiDing to 

SpecS.al Intelligence derived~ lilateva aratem it might be. You bave 

got then what your definition ot the ....,,rd ia. 

MR. REI!l.)LDS 1 Then it 18·· no lGnser a cod.• 1110rdo 

<X>L. CAJIPBELLs You haw tied t.he code word to some moaning. 

MR. BBYHOU>Sr other than in the diotionarT sen.eo 

DR. SIHKOVs The piece ot paper :!a Top Secret Coclf/llW'd a.nd cent aim '?op 

secret Codeword information. Thci w can d1 ICUes tl"Oll1 that piece ot paper 

Jll"Ob&h11' 'What the code ward Deana o 

~. REil«>WS: If' we h&w a. piece of paper cal"171ng the Top Seoret CodeWd 

and we torget that it is HQU1l'ed to be kfi'Pt from. certain people, that 1a 

the dangero · 

DR. SINKOVi That is all you mean. 

~ RE.YNOIDS: You could 1dent11'7 that. piece or paper as coming trcm 

Cormmmicatiom. 

DR. SINKOV1 Howe't'91', I subnit to ,-ou that most of the tiire it. ien•t 

neceBB!ll'7 • You want to appl'9aiate that it is COMINT because COMIN'l' 1• 

uaua~ ot eucb a type that .just. by reading it yen can gueae that it came 

from Cow.nm1.catione. You eee th• point that I am ra181ng. 

There are exceptiona. Gener&l.17 speaking COMINT ie a special kim ot 

1.nt.ellipnce. It you haYe an iteu ot COMl:Nr set dawn, you can noi"mal.11' tell 

that it came from some kind ot eomnunicationa. Therefore, I don •t eee the 

serious danger that might. result 1n the case ot a person having determined 

let •a say that this is a particular code word. Then he cxnea upon a paper 

which has Top SecNt Codew:ird and it has the intol!iation on it. He has to 

go back to some other place to find out llbat tbat means on a piece ot papei-. 

Colo Campbell read the Portion of the BRUSA Agreement harlnfi to do with co de 

lti'Orda. 

COL. CAMPBELLt 

I read that to maan mqbe ~ 14hat you juet thovgbt. It I aee the code word 

b7' itself, it doesnrit Carr'J' the cl.aas1tication0 but it I use the code ~ 

am there h i111plication-whether it aqa ao or not-4t cannot be made lmoul1 

to an un-imoctrinated penaoo. 

MR. DENSMCREi It ie implied right there 1n and o~ or context.. 

DR. SINK<Ns We have U9ed. Appendix B, as I said earlier th1al momins, as our 

guide because this has not. been clearo 

COL. C.AMFBELLs We ehould aak tor clariticationo 

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DR. SINIC09'1 Can we use this .i.&eriretation to acoompli•h What. ve are after? 

<X>L. CAMPBEJ.Ls We an Soin& to rresat, it to 1.BCIB tor" appl'OYal. '?be "Old 

Kan" agreed that he oouldn•t set. do1llD claHiticatUtll wJ.thO\S tbe ON"-all 

appro-.al. of USCIB, which 10u1d. in lteelt put i" on at.her Senice•, don •t 701 

eee? 

tit. CROOIERY r The N'a.V llNR be ctdn& 'bJ' eame rule or regulation or int.erpntation. 

MR. REr1'>LDS r It you Utl8 the oode wl'd in its codlM>ld HllliHt• 

MRe DENs.tama Aa gl.'f81l und.- CategoJ.7 III er II COMINT. 

CX>L. CAMPBELLs It I call JOU up tomorrow and eq that I haft tpt. a Top 

secret Codeword paper that n ~cussed yeaterdq and that I will -4 it to 

JOU1 it I sq that rNer the blade line, 1t 18 a Yiolation. 

MR. CROSIERY1 You would hae to read the or1g!na,or0s mint there. 

COL. CAMPmtti Thi• is not. a}'>Jll'owd in ftnal form. It 1a a pct poi& to 

raiee with USCIBo We will haw to lift with it unt111t is clal"l.tied. 

MR. DENSMCllE1 In or out of context. 

MR. RErNOLDSr As long as n are po11*ing in the rlgbt diret$!oh, •••• 

COL. CAMPBELLi Let.'e liw up to it until we gg clar1t.lcation. 

DR. SINXOV1 I think w are at a pod stopping plaee. Can we agrae DOif aa to 

an appropriate time tor the mxt meatima? 

COL. CAMPlELLi Sq a week: tram todq, P'r1d8f' at 08.30. 

DR. SI NK0V 1 Fine. 

COL. CAMPBELL1 We have a maber ot COl"NCtiona which ban came tbrougb C/SEC, 

additiona that they have to set in, plus th• US&geo 

DR. SINKOV1 I want to state as a genera1 obsenation t.hat the pmbl ... we an 

confronted with in thie Agenqr most otten are probl .. of owr-claesiftcation. 

I am personally ccnnncad that. nen .re erron are made in mr-clau1f.ring 

papen than in under-clau1l)'1nc theJllo 

MR. RErHOLDSs P'rcm the Secur1t7 point of view it 70:• anl1' ha4 one pieoe ot 

papel' to protect ,you could do a tine job. Where 7011 ha.Ye 2,000 of them to 

protect, 7ou ean!lt protect t.bem as weU. It w could reduoe t.ben to a 

m1n11Bm, I think we could do a bet;ter job of prot.ecting t.haa. 

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DR. SINKOV1 I have deei&nated m,yMU a comittee of one Wfli' at AHS to 

reSQlarl.7 g1.g the people tor OYer-claasifi cation. h°eJ.'7 ao often I will 

hold up a piece ot paper to sorubodT and sq, "tqok at thi• t.hinc and look 

liilat- it is olassitied··" 1 looked at a a receipt., juat 7esterdq. It wae 

noUJi?Jg but a b1ue receipt tor a docmant. The receipt eaid notJd.q, but 

i.t waa cl.asd.fied ContidmUal. There waen•t 8flT excuae tor lt at allo We ..,, ntook, 1G7 1a thia thine claeeitied?n Then w be&in to haft disregard 

tor an:rthin& coming out trom that tellov with a claeeiticat.iono 

OOL. CAMPBELL: I an gotttng a lot of material ollt of J'OUI" place •*ing tor 

trawl requests and it 1a cOd9'WGi'd. Tbq are pm;'9 ant simple t,raTGt requeots ~ talk aboQ.t the rnisa1.on in g4'D91'41~ You uu these wordl u a pin ot 

1'0111' da1]¥ 'YOC&bularJ'. . 

m. SIUKOV'i It e'f~ ia wmeboq .. then no one 1a ~dl'o 

COL. C.AMPBELLt I think we be.YO made 90ID8 i-'Og1'8118 on it. l think it i• 

aometbing we n~d. At leaet I aJll com.need ot ite I hope 70u fellowa 8.N 

going to~ a little t1Jm to come up with sometb1nga We are aoing to get 

a dirterence of opinion. Someday we ~ht to be able to get. to the point 

lllhere we can lq down rules which will be &11-inclwd.ft. Since 'W9 CNiet 

detine eYerythiq;, we are going to ha Ye to lean it to somebody 1 s gocd. 

jQdpent. It we can cl~r up 80!l9 of the areas with the people, we haft 

accomplilbed a lot .. 

m. REYNOLDS: Step l is thie • Step 2 wUl be the ITdaion.. 

COL. C.AMPBEU.i There ia one thing I wCAlld like all of 70u to think abo\lt 

before we come back next tJme. That 19 the asaoci.ation ot the Nati.opal 

Securit7 Agenq 1n the CctUm field and in the COMSEC tiell\1 generall¥ 

•peaking, not in dstail at all. Can w put out 8n1th1ng that sqa that, lf8 

are in the COMIN'l' busineea, 1n this businees of mald.J!g ood•• snd. cipbd 

We ban al.we.ya told them thq oen•t put tbat in wr1t1na. 

MR. REINOIDS 1 Here i• a :probl• that has come to ma~ You 1JS&7 not haw heard 

ot it. Ouha 1a haung a conterence on istudeat guidanCe, gett112g bi&h •chool ~a and college truhmn and 8'*11118 their studies along cwta1n linto to 

lMk• a career. Tht7 are goitlg to haw -.arS.oua induatries att.endS.ng tb&t, 

conference e•t up booth•. The paof)l• lllho interw:l.ew the 111&t1 •cbool •ad.or• 

aN the placooies ot1'1cera. They will han pictui-ee and diagrai;a lllbich would 

be ol Yalu. in hel~ eeU thei~ prograa. 

PF1tS wants to set up e, booth showing the Yarioua jobs that we ban hen, 

picture• ot the MW aite. lilltn it cceea right down to it, I don8t think it 

• ia cl.aedtt.d, but I think it ia iretty poor i:ractic.o ~e queatiom t.bat 

aft aelGtd wuld tocua natittnal. attention on the operations O'mr in Virgin!.). 

,COL. CAMPBELLs How are 7ou going to attract new blood into the organization. 

it yotl donat do it thro~ that method? How ie jitOI> going to obtain 
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ana\78t9? How ia C/SEC going to Ci:ltain poople? Haw is a/O going to 

obtain people? 

"Re .REfM>LDS t BJ" going ol& and talklng to thno 

IL ORalKERra There ehculd be discreet h8111ling ot t.be information. 

OOL'cr CAMPBEU.1 Not on an 1nternaticnal. baals • 

MR. RErDDSt '?hq l!Ould b&Te reporters out. there wltb cmeru. 

OOL. OAMPBELLs Let •e bear down an the reoNiteN. · Haw \he IP out. ancl 

t.ell them we are interested 1n tra.tft.c analpia J18apl• who haft a mat.bematics background. That is the !Z'itlar7 thing that. we ean tell tbe11 to sq 

about the Job•· Thtr can•t l!P into a lot ot detall ot Wiat we read mcl 

how much w do with it. You haw to g1Te th• soaa idea. We haTe alWIQ'• 

told the recmiten that at no U. could thq put that in mtiag. It is 

a question ot how tar we can go 1n telling J>r30pla mat buat.neas n an in. 

The General baa made the stat.9mlnt that we oan say that we are 1n the 

COMIHl' bwsineas. In tact he does it himaelt. 

DR. SilltCNs Moat of the people get by bJ' Jut aqing that the;r aro 

connected w1 th cornnnmicatione. It is matter ot what th8 purpoae 1e ot the 

1ntoimation that is being d1acl.oaed. It 7au are anting up a charge ac~ domtown or d•aliJJa in natters of that sort, 7011 mi&b' •q that 

701ir orfic:t.al actiY1t7 1e with tha Departmem of Detenn 1n cGlll11NDica.tiom 

-..ork. 

COL. CAMP8ELL1 Communications inTOlwa mak1ng coct.s and &l1 tlln. 

MR. RE!NOIDSz Isn't it a qlleat1on of people uaing the utsorat discretion? 

It ie up to us to real.1• the aign1ticance of certain diaclonl'e•. A• tar 

as thoee people are concernecl,. if JOU let the ban down CCllllplet.eJv fol' one• 

70u have to do it tor all. You canot l.et down tbla bar• tor one particular 

group. You have to let them do1Gl all across the board. Som ~might get 

drunk and ctart bragging, "I • a bi& shot. I can. :read Ruasiano" 

COL.'· CAMPBRLL1 There 1a OJl9 aliber question in conm~ion w1 qt languag•. 

That will come out to 70u and 70u can figure on tbat one too, the tact that 

we give courna 1n Ruasiana. Tra1rd.ng ia bothered with the problaa ot 

classification ot t.he1r lenpap courses, know1ng bow much thq can tell. 

DR. SINKOVr The classification of tra11Jine in l.anpagea 1- Unclassiftedo 

COL. CAMPBELLr If' rou _. !So the fact that. JOU are training 1n Rusla 

tor the purpose ot tranalatin& int.eNept materia1, t-bat is eomth1ng 

dltterent again. It I sq that we are 8>ins. to train ten people 1n the 

Russian language next 19ar • that 1a d!tterent. It 1a jut. that wa want. 

to train th•o 

MR. Rntl>W~a It ia much more serioU to indicate that we are training 

people to read languages ot triendll' tonign countrieao 

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COL. CAMPBELLs It 70U need people to tranalate at one or the caiters, it 

1a 3uBt hov much ,-ou sq and lrihat word• you un again. You are bound to 

haft to cla8sify' it on context~ on how much you NV&Al. 

DR. SINKOVf We ha.va got to atk oureelws, "~ much int..Jrmation 111 in this 

pe.pel' or lilat will the stat.ement gift a~?" When we answer that question, 

we ue prepared to say what the classi:ticaUon ought. to b~. That ia the 

big trobl91D with regard to what ve are doing now. We are teying in a ney 

general sort ot w:q to 88.J' i.ilat the ela.ssitication or a piece or paper ought 

t.o beo Very seldom can 70U haft 15UCh aimpJ.. rulea. Th• p&non haa got to 

me hia EJ>od ~nt in loold.q; at the pa.per. Once be answel'a the ql!eetion, 

then it haa euch and such a clasalticstion. 

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